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What Went Wrong?

November 15, 2012 by  

 

Hello, I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. This commentary is about what went wrong with Mitt Romney — and my prediction.

I predicted Romney would win big. What went wrong? I’ve been asked nonstop since Election Day, “Was your prediction based on hope or bias?”

My prediction was based on a combination of scientific evidence and common sense.

First, it was based on common sense that no President could possibly be re-elected with the worst economy of our lifetimes, with an economy that has produced more months above 8 percent unemployment (43 months) than produced by all the Presidents between Harry Truman and George W. Bush combined (39 months). People just don’t vote for the guy that brings you misery, malaise, foreclosures and bankruptcies, record unemployment, and inflation at the gas pump and grocery store. This election should have been, 100 out of 100 times, a repeat of Ronald Reagan’s landslide over Jimmy Carter.

Secondly, my prediction was based on common sense that turnout, enthusiasm and the makeup of the electorate would be far different than 2008. Obama’s coalition of single women, minorities and young people were the groups most hurt by his economy. They are the ones without jobs. They are the ones suffering: 14.3 percent black unemployment, 53 percent under-employment for college grads. Logic dictated these groups would not come out in record numbers again.

No one is such a glutton for punishment he’d return and ask for a second helping of misery, malaise and despair, right?

Well, I was wrong. The 2012 electorate looked almost identical to 2008. Obama’s supporters didn’t just come for a second helping of misery; they came out enthusiastically and cheered for more misery.

Lastly, my prediction was based on science. The University of Colorado’s predictive model had never failed. It worked to perfection in the Presidential elections of 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004 and 2008. It predicted a Romney landslide based on scientific facts and historical precedent.

This combination of science and common sense would tell you that in this economy, no President could be re-elected — unless Obama is more an American idol and messiah than a politician and his followers ignore logic, facts and the misery they are experiencing.

Unless we have reached the tipping point that Thomas Jefferson warned about, where a majority now gets checks from government and realizes they can vote for the guy who promises to keep the checks coming.

Obama’s re-election proves that bribery as a campaign tactic is validated. Promise enough free stuff and you win votes, even if the end result is no jobs, no hope and a lifetime dependent on government. You wouldn’t believe this could be true. Not in America. That’s why my prediction went wrong.

Why else did Romney lose? Romney did plenty of his own damage.

Romney picked the wrong Vice President. The GOP has to reach out to women and Latinos. In May, I predicted a Romney landslide if he picked Marco Rubio as his running mate. If Romney picked Rubio, he would have locked down Florida and made deep inroads with Latino voters. With an electorate divided almost exactly 50/50, the Latino vote is the missing link for the GOP. Attract even 5 percent more of the Latino vote and you win. Attract 10 percent more and you win in a landslide.

Paul Ryan added nothing. He reinforced the image of the GOP as an elite club of rich white men. In a diverse country, this choice said “diversity is unimportant.”

Worst of all, Ryan’s views on abortion reinforced that the GOP wanted to take away women’s sexual freedom and rights. Ryan supports no exceptions for abortion, including rape, incest or a women’s life in danger. Men and conservatives didn’t notice. But Obama’s campaign team made sure women noticed. Millions of female voters ignored the awful economy and record unemployment and voted for Obama based on women’s rights.

How does the GOP solve that problem? Simple. The next time any GOP candidate mentions abortion and rape in the same sentence, gag him, hog-tie him and put him in the basement until the election is over.

The real answer is to run candidates who are fiscally conservative and principled, but socially moderate and modern. The GOP needs candidates who say “Roe vs. Wade is the law of the land. I will uphold it, even though my personal views are pro-life. And I will always support exceptions for rape, incest and when a mother’s life is in danger. Period.” The issue is off the table forever. What’s left? The economy and jobs, winning issues for the GOP.

Finally, politics is played just like a football game. What matters is how you start, how you finish, your ground game and your level of aggressiveness.

Romney started poorly, allowing Obama’s television blitz to define him as a greedy, mean-spirited robber baron. Romney ended poorly, spending all his money on television ads instead of a “ground game” — i.e., a massive get-out-every-last-vote effort (like Obama’s). In between, Romney was not aggressive enough on the two defining issues of the campaign.

The first was the auto bailout. Romney lost the Midwest because of this issue. Romney should have taken the offensive with this argument: “President Obama tells us that he ‘saved’ the auto industry. It was his one and only accomplishment, so he repeats it 100 times a day. The reality is that he merely stole $25 billion from taxpayers to protect the pensions of auto union members, who contributed tens of millions of dollars to his election. Now taxpayers owe that $25 billion plus interest – and you don’t even get a car! Obama also allowed private sector autoworkers to lose their pensions because they didn’t contribute to him. This is all immoral, if not criminal.”

That argument would have won the Presidency.

Then there’s Obama’s Libya embassy scandal. Romney played it safe in the final debate and never took the offensive on the issue of Benghazi. Americans never quite understood. But they would have understood one image: “Mr. President, you denied them the security they asked for, watched them die in real time, refused to send a rescue team and then covered it all up by blaming a YouTube video. You left four Americans to die on the battlefield.” Game, set, match.

If Romney had been aggressive and not played it safe, would we be talking about President Romney and celebrating my brilliant prediction? We’ll never know. But if Romney had picked Rubio as his VP, and GOP Senate candidates Todd Akins and Richard Mourdock had never tried to tackle abortion and rape, I have no doubt my prediction would have been on the money.

But it wasn’t to be. And now we’ve got Obama as President for four more years, which means we better get busy defending our country. It’s going to be a busy four years, and I’m not going away. As a matter of fact, I’m stepping up to lead the fight. I hope you’ll join me. I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. See you right back here next week. Same time, same place.

Wayne Allyn Root

Wayne Allyn Root is one of America's leading Libertarian-conservative authors. Wayne's new book is The Murder of the Middle Class Wayne is a Capitalist Evangelist, serial entrepreneur, conservative media commentator, and proud champion of the middle class. He is a former Libertarian vice presidential nominee and Fox News regular. Follow Wayne on Twitter and visit Wayne's web site: www.ROOTforAmerica.com

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  • Harold Olsen

    I never pay any attention to the political experts who predict how an election is going to come out. They seldom, if ever, actually give an expert opinion. What they usually do is state what they hope will happen. I’ve noticed that their “expert” opinion always favors the party they associate themselves with. They’re like the expert witnesses at a criminal trial. There expertise always favor the side that is paying them. If the other side were paying them, with the same evidence, their expertise would favor that side. If I were on a jury, I don’t think I’d pay any more attention to evidence given by expert witnesses than I would to political experts. So-called experts are a waste of time and money.

    • eddie47d

      Well said Harold and keep questioning the motives of those on the left and the right and who is behind the predictions. Self serving forecasts are like the weather and ever changing. .

      • FreedomFighter

        it wasn’t to be

        The game was rigged, the winner was picked by those that run the world. M. Rommney was a loss from the beginning — the only sane choice was Ron Paul and they made sure he never won.

        As I said when Mr Root made his prediction of a Rommy landslide:

        Yes it will be, but evil team Obama will cheat to win — Team Obama cheated magnificently.

        If they real vote count was made available, it would show a Rommney landslide…

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • boyscout

        The game was rigged when they chose to run both black and white editions of the same candidate.

      • George P.

        There were plenty of lies and lots of cheating on both sides. Many were turned off by the GOP because they perceived that the GOP was less interested in facts and less interested in the realities of the world than in promulgating fundamentalist dogma.

        The GOP needs new blood and new thinking.

      • TeaParty Patriot (TPP)

        Wayne neglected the major component of winning this election VOTER FRAUD. as Stalin once said and I paraphrase “it is not who votes, It is WHO COUNTS THE VOTES”. If the RINOs had any cajones they would insist on challenging the vote count in every state in which there were Samalis voting, Voting machine errors, court approved observers refused entry, Voter ID denied. Voters discovering they had already voted absentee, military ballots denied, and a miriad of other irregularities any one of which is sufficient to challenge the outcome of the election. If the 0′bomb supporters wish to riot, BRING ‘EM ON. If the RINOs refused to recognize the delegates to the electoral college we could get a redo on this fraudulent election. That is one of the purposes of having an electoral college. ie to insure that the delegates to the college represent the voters of the district from which they came. In states that have a winner take all rulle for the delegates, it works two ways, One delegate disqualified then all delegates disqualified.

        • bob666

          Hey Toilet Paper Patriot (TPP)
          What color is the sky in your delusional world?

      • Sam Adams

        Wayne, you were right, Romney did win. The govt media gave obama the victory at 11:30 with 5% of majority of countries vote in. As soon as Romney was told to conceed we ended the election scam. The women or the minorities didn,t re-elct obama. Rubio isn,t a naturilized US citizen, he can,t be VP material. Wayne, You know this, why lie to the people???????????????????????/

        • bob666

          Sam,
          your rock called, they want you to crawl back under.

    • Walter & Renee Agard

      HI Mr Wayne Allyn R, My prediction was natural, I dont know if you believe me.I was born with this gift, anytime i predict something it came true.4 people knows about this-My grandfather father, uncle,and wife.I told people that OBAMA will win.

      • Sailor

        Stalin once said, Let them vote for the winning elections are not based on how many will vote, but by those who will be counting those votes.

        Enough said. This [expletive deleted] got back in the exact same way!

      • Larry king

        I live in the conservative midwest and the most conservative part of our state and i knew just from how the people talked that for one there was NO enthusiasm for Romney or Ryan. They all did not want Obama re-elected but were not looking forward to a Romney presidency.Even the latinos did not like Obama but distrusted Romney and the Republican party even more. The republican party does not communicate with the go to work regular guy and talks over his head with what appears to be directed to the business man and ceo.The only reason the state i live in always votes republican is because our local politicians are ones who talk to the regular guy and of course the old logic we would vote for the devil if he ran as a republican.Keep a eye on our new congressman Tim Hueslskamp as he came from a hard working farm family and walks the talk…..

      • eddie47d

        Libertarians for the most part embrace choice AND personal responsibility. Republicans on the other hand doesn’t embrace personal choices but want to tell people what to do within their personal lives. Such as abortion or if you aren’t a Christian you are un American.There is a problem with being TOO Conservative and it bites Republicans at every election. The Conservatives say they are against any reason for abortion so they are willing to sacrifice a woman’s life for those beliefs. The case in Ireland proves that out and the extrtemists in America hold those same views. The doctors in Ireland by law could have saved this woman’s life but they were so fearful in what the Conservatives would do to them (take away their right to practice) so she was allowed to die. Republicans go to these extremes such as the case in Gilbert Arizona where a Republican woman was so mad at her husband for not voting for Romney (he didn’t vote at all) that she tracked him down in a parking lot and ran him over. Republicans are mean,vicious and out of control when they lose and have their own band of bullies and sore losers.

      • Robert Smith

        Eddie says: “Republicans are mean,vicious and out of control when they lose and have their own band of bullies and sore losers.”

        They will fight to the last drop of someone else’s blood for their beliefs.

        When is the last time you EVER heard of a Republican sacrificing themselves?

        Rob

        • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

          I THOUGHT THAT WAS A Graceful exit by Anthony Wiener

      • http://google Olga G

        When communists get the power they don’t release it. Their slogan: THE END JUSTIFIES THE WAYS! Fraude, lies, manipulation, etc, etc. Nothing is transparent in this POTUS. Next, the Constitution will be changed and no more elections, FINISH!
        ROMNEY DID NOT LOST! AMERICA LOST! FREEDOM LOST!

      • Rose

        Unchallenged and real voter fraud is the main reason Obama was re-elected. If we do not fix this problem with voter ID, do not expect to ever see another Reagan in the White House. I recommend you see the following article (http://frontporchpolitics.com/2012/11/22-signs-that-voter-fraud-is-wildly-out-of-control-and-the-election-was-a-sham/#disqus_thread) and educate yourself on what happened. Obama’s illegal voter fraud will be hard to beat regardless of any candidate for our side.

      • Kinetic1

        Rose,
        Yours is a popular theory and this is quite an interesting article. Let’s take a closer look.
        1) There’s little reason to question this assertion. Those electronic voting machines are anything but dependable.
        2) “In a city with 1,687 of the ward subsets known as divisions, each with hundreds of voters, 59 is about 3.5 percent of the total.” “Although voter registration lists, which often contain outdated information, show 12 Republicans live in the ward’s third division, The Inquirer was unable to find any of them by calling or visiting their homes.”
        You know, there were rural precincts in Utah where Romney got all the votes. Should we look into that as well?
        “http://articles.philly.com/2012-11-13/news/35069785_1_romney-supporters-mitt-romney-voter-id-law/2
        3) “You know I was told that 90 percent of the precincts in Philadelphia County turned out over 90 percent of voters,” said Smith, of Jefferson County.” And since overall turnout in Phily was about 60%, Republican House Speaker Sam Smith’s math just doesn’t work.
        4) WND, World Net Daily, really?
        5) Romney won most of the counties in PA but still lost. Well, the right 13 states will take you over the 270 mark, so… Romney won the small counties, Obama took the cities.
        6,7,8,9,10 all rehashing the same claims.
        11) The figures here come from the “Plain Dealer analysis of Ohio Secretary of State and U.S. Census Bureau data.” The census data is from 2011, and we have no way of knowing how the “plain dealer” came up with their numbers. What we do know is that only 58% of registered voters went to the polls in Wood County. And …. what was the point?

        And it goes on and on and on. I’m bored with finding the facts that rebuff the rumors. How about next time you do the work before you post.

      • TeaParty Patriot (TPP)

        Wayne neglected the major component of winning this election VOTER FRAUD. as Stalin once said and I paraphrase “it is not who votes, It is WHO COUNTS THE VOTES”. If the RINOs had any cajones they would insist on challenging the vote count in every state in which there were Samalis voting, Voting machine errors, court approved observers refused entry, Voter ID denied. Voters discovering they had already voted absentee, military ballots denied, and a miriad of other irregularities any one of which is sufficient to challenge the outcome of the election. If the 0′bomb supporters wish to riot, BRING ‘EM ON. If the RINOs refused to recognize the delegates to the electoral college we could get a redo on this fraudulent election. That is one of the purposes of having an electoral college. ie to insure that the delegates to the college represent the voters of the district from which they came. In states that have a winner take all rulle for the delegates, it works two ways, One delegate disqualified then all delegates disqualified.

      • elba schmitt

        Walter, I wanted Romeny to win, because he would have better than Obama, who has done nothing in the last 4 rears. He has enjoyed a lot of traveling with his wife/friends. He is not a leader and has no business experience nor foreign affairs exp. But he is very good are creating government programs, which many poor uneducated people think they are ebtitled to. Obama is also good at hiding the truth (lying) which bring us to Benghazi. Romney stayed away from the problem, instead of insisting the situatio be investigated. I don’t believe that choosing Rubio would have made a difference. The GOP needs to stay away from women’s issues (i.e. birth control amn the like). This is not my parents generation. Today, the lifestyle of the young is quite different than when I grew up. People don’t want to make commitments, this is why there are so many broken families. GOP needs to find strategics that would attract all voters…not just the white males. e schmitt

        • bob666

          out of Iraq (never should have been there).
          working out of Afganistan.
          Bin Laden (mission is now accomplished).
          We are setting record in Domestic energy production.
          You really need to listen to another news outlet.

      • http://pweiters9.wordpress.com pweiters9

        11/18/12, The fix was already in with the last 2 debates & Bloomberg suddenly making a public endorsement of BO. It’s as if Biden & Bloomy knew something we didn’t.

    • Jeff

      Obama’s re-election was assured when Root wrote that idiotic, self-serving article about Obama not being at Columbia. Keep writing Wayne. We need to keep Democrats in power for a few more years. The Democrats would now hold the House as well but for gerrymandering in the states that went Republican in 2010. Republicans now hold 13 of 18 House seats in Pennsylvania where Obama won by 5 points and the Dems won the Senate seat by 8 points. Republicans win elections on fear, disenfranchisement, and gerrymandering.

      • Texas Ride

        Jeff, progressive radicals win because of things like getting 100% of the votes in 59 precincts in PA!

        Anyone believe that there was massave voter fraud?

      • James Andrews

        Obama won because he got the sheep to believe his lies. He doesn’t have a clue about economic policy, is dangerous for our national security, and is EXTREMELY dangerous four our Constitution and our Bill of Rights. No other president in history has beaten uo the Constitution as badly as this president has, not even Bush. God help us all, because there may not even be a U.S. four years from now!

      • Kinetic1

        Texas,
        Funny that you, of all people should bring this up. Assuming your name reflects your local, are you aware that in King County, Texas Romney won 97% of the vote? !35 to 5. Why is that? Is it a case of voter fraud? Maybe it’s a simple case of a county dominated by white conservatives.

        Now look at those precincts in PA. Black and Black/Hispanic. And what have Republicans done to court the black vote? How much damage has been done by right wing talking heads who have spent the last 4 years accusing Obama of fraud, dishonesty, sexual deviancy, laziness and stupidity? Now, is it so hard to imagine that no one in a predominantly black community would come out and vote for the Republican?

      • Jordan48

        The answer to your question Mr. Root is; Criminal Complicity in wide spread VOTER FRAUD by advocates for Obamanation! The DemonCrats fought against instituting a reuirement for Voter ID at the polls in many states. This enabled the fraudulent vote of many voters who voted multiple times. (Several news releases recounted videoed reports of DemonCrats showing voters how to vote multiple times in different precincts. The integrity of the electoral process is grievously lacking and can be manipulated, as it was in this recent election!

        It matters not who or how many votes are submitted, but the machinery that counts those votes! The dumbed down left wing Obamabots fail to understand ONE IMPORTANT FACT…American patriots are not Islamic, nor are they communists…for our forefathers took up arms to rid this country of evil men once and they will most assuredly will do it again! I do not advocate the death of any man, no matter how immoral or despotic he or she may be, but there are those who love this nation and their freedoms so much that it is highly probable that we will see a second civil war in this nation! Try taking our rights from us and you will seal your own fate! That is a gurantee!

    • Robert Smith

      Americans simply believe that Obama is the right man for the job at this time.

      It’s simple.

      Rob

      • CJ

        No Rob, the majority made a childish decision for themselves at the expense of others, under government force. The mature decision (what grown-ups make) would have been to face reality (not kick the can farther down the road) and correct the problem before it gets worse. Instead, the chose to make it worse.

      • James Andrews

        To Texas Rider: I’m sure there was a lot of voter fraud, but I bet Owebummer still would havbe won. This is truly sad. This nation is doomed to fail.

      • eddie47d

        When is CJ going to make a “grown up” decision and face the real reasons our economy tanked. Neither Democrats or Republicans were very mature about those failures and Romney was as phony as a three dollar bill. Republicans are also guilty of kicking the can down the road.

      • JDL

        Fine. Now explain 109% of the vote in Ohio. Go ahead, show me.

      • Texas Ride

        NO, Robert, working Americans do not believe that omaumau does a good job!

        Anyone that isn’t mentally retarded knows what is happening. Companies are closing and laying off employees,there is increasing unemployment, increasing and unsustainable benefits to an ever-increasing, useless segment of population (notice I didn’t say, segment of Americans.) Lets add devaluation of the dollar, the financial support of terrorists and throwing the Constitution in the trash bin. There has been an absolutely obvious attempt to bring about the demise of this country and the implementation of Agenda 21. Go to the UN website and read it, it is all there proudly posted for anyone to read.

        Of course, you brought up racism, but does the black population, which you seem so concerned about, considered what will happen to them when the trough dries up! Those in the public housing will be among the first to expire, along with the sick, elderly and the handicapped! And for your information, Our EUROPEAN ancestors were the ones that made this country prosperous, free, and successful. Name me one country that is governed by blacks where the people are prosperous and free!

        Omaumau has taken racism back decades and he fans the flames of racism at every opportunity. He divides the country and people like you embrace it. People have never been guaranteed anything for free…except liberty and freedom. And, we have found out that isn’t free, it has to be fought for everyday. Our country wasn’t built on the socialism of retros.

        The amazing thing is that retros only want socialism for everyone else,they don’t want their lifestyles lowered! Retros want obamacare “for everyone else” but they exempt themselves! Funny but the envious people mistakenly believe that their lives will be improved if the State owns everything and the radicals win. They think that all their goodies will increase! They couldn’t be more mistaken! Everyone will be much worse off and those that won’t work will have the greatest surprise. There won’t be anyone there to pay for feeding them….and the State sure won’t do it..

      • Robert Bell

        Rob, contrary to what some folks wrote, you are correct. Between the TeaBaggers and racial slurs, the overtly “Christian front” and the fact that GW did release a plague upon the land, as he left office, would sort of show why. Plus what about Romney himself? Flip flop around the clock. He never came out with a solid, provable and worthwhile agenda. It was just knock Obama blah bla blah. Then should we talk about the Koch Bros? Or Citizens United? People aren’t stupid and many, once they realize these Big Money folks were only out for “Them” and not the country the election took a whole new direction. But the party has to clear it head and say (and do) what the people want than to say what they alone think the people want in order to get future candidates elected. Many of our “leaders” are out of touch and totally distended from the real world and working class people.

        • bob666

          Very well said, could it be that Romney lost because he was not the right guy for the time? It could also be that people are far smarter than the GOP gives them credit for. Regardless, Romney lost and you can spin the half truths as to why or you can learn something valuble from this loss-Your choice.

    • Christopher Bowen

      And here I was thinking the reason Romney lost was because of all the ballot box stuffing that occurred in Pennsylvania and Ohio where Obama received 98-99% of the vote TOTALS in literally 100′s of precincts. Ya never know what you can learn from naive bloggers, afterall.

    • http://yahoo Jean

      i did not vote for obama the frist time nor this time,? why cant america see what this man is doing to our counrty & his lies?very upset at this election,why cant we have better choices for canditances at election time ? obama care! really!this is only one issue, i work very hard single mom would do very thing to make sure my childern are fed & have medical his plan for us hard working people is a nightmare im not a bum! nor is the rest of hard working people in america. if it wasnt for us hard workers there would not be a country named america why do our backs get stepped on?cant understand why people think he is the answer we are in for a hell of a 4 year term.this is insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • janet

        You poor thing. You are one of those Obama is trying to help…hard working, trying your best. Maybe if you stop drinking the Fox news kool aid and wake up you’ll see…and I’m a white, southern senior citizen. Do some research on your own and stop just playing to the crowd who’s trying to stir you up. Lies told over and over are still lies.

    • jws8888

      “Worst economy of our lifetimes.” Much of the electorate blames Bush et al for their economic misery. They are still miserable so they still blame Bush not Obama. Since they don’t understand what it takes to stimulate job growth they made the (false) assumption that Obama is doing a good job.

      Two examples of the many ways people misunderstand job creation:

      One is the belief that “shovel ready” infrastructure projects are great job creators. Next time you see a highway being built, notice that much of the money is going to materials and heavy equipment (equipment that is already built). Not a lot of people getting paid, on the jobsite or off.

      Next example. The areas of the country that are doing so well because of oil and gas owe their prosperity largely to Bush. Just before he left office, he exempted much of that industry from review by environmental bureaucrats. This allowed the industry to get moving and hiring.

      With regards to the “worst economy of our lifetimes. The economic disaster really got a boost during Clinton. An attempt to regulate derivatives was killed off by the Clinton administration, Larry Summers et al, (same clowns advised Obama). That decision was the beginning of the financial catastrophe we are still living through. After that came Bush the Spender, making matters worse. Then came Obama, that man who had never run anything in his life (except his mouth).

      People get the government they deserve. If idiots vote, idiots get elected.

    • TeaParty Patriot (TPP)

      Wayne neglected the major component of winning this election VOTER FRAUD. as Stalin once said and I paraphrase “it is not who votes, It is WHO COUNTS THE VOTES”. If the RINOs had any cajones they would insist on challenging the vote count in every state in which there were Samalis voting, Voting machine errors, court approved observers refused entry, Voter ID denied. Voters discovering they had already voted absentee, military ballots denied, and a miriad of other irregularities any one of which is sufficient to challenge the outcome of the election. If the 0′bomb supporters wish to riot, BRING ‘EM ON. If the RINOs refused to recognize the delegates to the electoral college we could get a redo on this fraudulent election. That is one of the purposes of having an electoral college. ie to insure that the delegates to the college represent the voters of the district from which they came. In states that have a winner take all rulle for the delegates, it works two ways, One delegate disqualified then all delegates disqualified.

    • Lamarre Notargiacomo

      I’m in agreement with Tea Party patriot. Mr. Root’s comments about GOP candidates who mention rape and abortion in the same sentence ought to be tied up and put in the basement is UNFORGIVEABLE! It demonstrates a proclivity to do the convenient, anything to win, rather than stand by one’s principles, win or lose. That is not to say that I agreed with Akin and the other GOP guy that made stupid statements about rape and abortion, but the way GOP leaders pulled the rug out from under them, handed the victory to their radical left opponents in both cases. Why do Boehner and Cantor RUN from Tea Party candidates in favor of radical leftists????? Interesting to note the story about Cantor covering for the dems on Benghazi. It certainly says a lot about the WAR going on in our own party for the soul of our country! The two cowards at the top of the GOP house, have done as much destruction to our electoral process as Obama, by refusing to challenge the results of the obviously rigged elections and forcing Mitt and Paul (for vindictive reasons??? “I told you you shouldn’t have two conservatives running together”) TO CONCEDE ALMOST IMMEDIATELY! MITT AND PAUL MUST TAKE THEIR RIGHTFUL PLACES IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND SEND OBAMA AND THE OTHER CORRUPTOCRATS PACKING!

      • Jeff

        If it’s so obvious, even you should be able to prove it. Where’s the proof? Where’s even a scintilla of evidence?

      • bob666

        Well -Well, I guess that our founding fathers decided that you should be in charge. Of course the 53% of those who disagree with you should not have a voice or vote because your openion is the only one that matters in a demoracy.

    • Will La Pointe

      Right on! Are you going to run for Pres in 2016? I hope so. We need someone like you.
      Oh, and you missed one thing Romney messed up on- – - only two people were involved in the vetting and choosing of a VP candidate; Romney and Beth Meyers. I remember a saying that two heads are better than one- – - and when considering VP candidates, more heads are better than just two!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/stephen.lohrstorfer Steve Lohrstorfer

      Its not what went wrong, its what went Right. Reasonable americans don’t blame President Obama for the economic collapse of capitalism, they blame the real “Takers ” in this country, corporate bankers and wallstreet crimminals, who really did cause the mess. If you would put even half the effort into fixing the real problem and hold those responsible to the same standard you hold the guy left to clean up the mess,and stop gambling away other peoples savings…

      • Joe America

        We all need to remember that the Fed, their foreign bank owners, Wall Street and the Insurance industry screwed the financial pooch for all of us. They all screwed us. Until they are gotten under control, it doesn’t matter who’s the President, or Congressperson, or Senator. There was a quiet financial banking coupe in 1913 that resulted in the creation of the Federal Reserve Banks and the IRS. We’ve been going down the toilet, financially, every since. These entities control our elected officials. They decide who our elected officials are going to be, not us. I’m actually looking forward to an earth wide disaster of Biblical proportions, because that is the only thing that will take these folks down. It’s gone on so long, that it’s out of the hands of the people. We’re beyond hope. The fact that Ron Paul has been ineffective in reaching people is not his fault, it’s ours, because we’ve refused to listen to our modern day prophet and have rejected him, just as surely as the ancient Isrealies and House of Judah rejected the prophets of God. Just as they suffered, so shall we, but worse. I’ve often wondered if we are in the “end times” as many of the things that are happening now, were prophesied in the Books of Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaah and Revelations. We are moving ever closer to a one world government and this is what the NWO has been planning all along. They are the beast. Soon, you won’t have any cash, and you’ll have to get a “mark” in order to buy or sell, as everything, all commerce, will be cashless and moving through the Internet(s). The international bankers will own everyone in the system. If you piss them off, they’ll simply turn your connection to the system off. You won’t be able to buy, or sell anything. George Orwell’s 1984 will have become reality.

  • KG

    You are asking the wrong question – not “…what went wrong…” but “…what went right?”

    Thank GAOTU that we didn’t have a repeat of 2000. I really thought that might happen. But, instead of a supreme court fight, it probably would have turned into a “Fort Sumter” moment.

    Mr WAR might make money playing the stock market, but he has absolutely no currency in what everyday working Americans think.

    It’s time to forget the “Regan Revolution” and start on the “New Frontier” to borrow a term from JFK.

    You rich, greedy, selfish, “unpatriotic” and “Anti – revolutionaries” need to grab your ankles, cause the Real Americans are holding torches and pitchforks.

    “Power to the People” John Lennon

    • hipshotpercusion

      I find it hard to believe that in Cuyahoga County Ohio out of 100 precincts, O-bozo got 99% of the vote. Something stinks rather badly!

      Also it was reported, the day after the election one retailer in St. Louis, MO sold a half a million dollars worth of ammunition in one day. Are you listening Mr. Obama , or whatever your name?

      • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLY FROM AUSTRALIA

        Hate to suggest this but its your type of comments which scares people away from voting Republican. Think about it carefully, before you help lose it next time around.

      • http://liberty Tony

        To Gilly from Down under: Right on with your assessment sir. I’ve stated this last week and in the past upteen times, yet, i’ll do it again. Romney lost because he alienated along with excluded in many ways, the majority of the populace. Saying 47-49% of the pop. are freeloaders, then stating he’s not too concerned about the poor or working class for they have the social safety net. Afterwards, he said Hispanic people should consider self-deportation. Finally saying that Obama promised “gifts” to blacks, other people of color , and young people, is not a winning strategy by any stretch of the imagination. The Repubs. better start making concerted efforts not half hearted ones to reach out to the 100%. Bobby Jindal, gov. of L.A. with Marco Rubio were right on with their analysis of pointing out these flaws. If the GOP plus conservatives as a whole don’t follow this advice, we may never see a GOP president in my lifetime. BTW, i’m going to be 50 in about two months. This is something everyone here better take into consideration. Thanks!!

      • eddie47d

        Hipshotpercusion is trolling on fear again and because he can’t win at the ballot box he will do it with his bullet box! That’s the dictatorship that many level headed Americans fear with your militaristic take over. Its hard to accuse the government of wanting to take over our lives when you advocate the same methods.

      • Flashy

        As Jindal stated..with the TP extremists having so much sway in the party, it’s become the “Party of Stupid’

      • jen

        Results Cuyahoga County Ohio 2912 Presidential Election:
        Registered voters 927,996
        Votes Cast 617,141
        Votes for Barack Obama 420,953
        Votes for Mitt Romney 184,475
        You need to quit reading the Tea Party’s Facebook page! They have since removed the lies you repeated about the election results…

      • eddie47d

        Thank You Jen!

    • The Truth

      You think you are the “patriotic” Americans but it’s not a pitchfork you’re holding- it’s a food stamp card. Get a job, pay some taxes, then we’ll see how you “feel”

      • Mike Hennessy

        I have a good job. I pay my taxes. I am a Democrat. I voted for Obama because he has a better plan for a prosperous free and fair America Millions of working tax paying American Democrats agreed.

        • janet

          Ditto here. Never been on food stamps, never been on unemployment (I’m a nurse, we never get unemployed), never been on welfare, paid my taxes. Now I’m a full time working nurse who’d like to retire someday. I do draw SS. I’ve paid into it for 50 years! I’ve also saved for retirement. Want to know where that went?? Also didn’t put all my eggs in one basket and invested in some real estate…want to know where that went and why. Got an hour or two? Yes..I do draw SS and I’m on Medicare which I pay for as well as a the supplement and rx supp and I pay about as much as when I was Cobra with Aetna….

          And…I voted for Obama. Romney was an evil joke.

      • Texas Ride

        No Mike, it was NOT hard working Americans that put omaumau back in office. It was the envious, greeding, lazy freeloaders that want more and more goodies, and the illegal foreign votes! As usual, the libs turn everything upside-down and backwards.

        And, lets not forget all the fraud committed, republican votes disappears and democrat votes mysteriously multiplied. For an example, in a precinct where 100,000 more votes were cast than there were eligible voters!

        Why don’t the repubs call this election out, as fraud! We need to do it over with paper ballots and not allows people to vote over and over again during weeks of “early voting.”

      • eddie47d

        Few if any illegals vote Texas Ride so you are another one trying to sell fear and disinformation to win an election. Republicans can be so damn arrogant and spiteful in everything they say and do. Since the majority of voting machines come from Conservative companies it would seem like they control your quest for power.

      • Texas Ride

        eddie you don’t have a clue what is going on, in Texas or anywhere else. Why not, you don’t work and have plenty of time to waste. You are on the internet continuously. Still the truth evades you, or you just don’t give a crap..because of your radical agenda!

        Got your government check this month!

      • Texas Ride

        eddie, I can’t let your statment go unchallenged about conservatives owning the voting machines! Really! Why don’t you give me the names of these companies.

        And, don’t forget the ones owned by Soros and his company in Spain. You know that Socialist Country where moochie spent a few Million Tax Payer Dollars, supposedly on a “vacation.” Give me a break! You “retros” are so full of it that everything you post stinks! None of you, and there seems to be an influx of mentally retarded retros out this morning, would know the truth if it sat on your face!

      • eddie47d

        I brought those companies up over a year ago and listed their names, CEOs and their voter registration. That is on the web for you to see. Soros does not own any voting machines but does have stock in a company who makes the parts. Romney outright owns a few voting machines. (14,000). Michelle going to Spain is a separate issue and that trip had no connection to voting but nice try. No I haven’t received any checks lately! LOL!! Apparently you are having a certain time of the month though! Now check your diaper because it seems to be full!

      • Kinetic1

        Texas,
        Lord, where do I start. First, before you start asking for proof from others, provide it yourself. What precinct is it “where 100,000 more votes were cast than there were eligible voters!”?
        Second, a list you request, a list you’ll receive.
        1) Republicans control Unisyn, owned by a Malaysian gambling company, Scytl, ES&S, Dominion, Sequoia and Hart InterCivic, for a control of 81% to 90% of electronic voting machines. http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2012/11/03/18725030.php?show_comments=1

        2) Hart InterCivic provides voting systems that are used in Ohio, Colorado, Texas, Oklahoma, and Hawaii. Private equity firm H.I.G. Capital, LLC bought out a “significant” portion of Hart in July of 2011, and now the majority of Hart’s board directors are employees of H.I.G. H.I.G. was founded by Tony Tamer, a former Bain employee and bundler for Mitt Romney’s campaign. Of H.I.G.’s 22 American directors, 21 donated to Mitt Romney’s 2012 presidential campaign.

        3) “Tagg Romney, the son of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, has purchased electronic voting machines that will be used in the 2012 elections in Ohio, Texas, Oklahoma, Washington and Colorado.”
        http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2023783/pg1

        4) “the ones owned by Soros and his company in Spain.” I believe the company you are referring to is Scytl. There are rumors that it’s CEO Pere Valles gave heavily to the Obama campaign, but no records have been found that confirm this. Likewise, there is nothing to suggest that Soros owns any part of this company. It’s of little difference though, since only a few states contracted with the firm to count overseas votes in 2010, and the results were so bad that most dropped the company. They do not control ANY campaign voting machines in the U.S.

        Now, if you want to look into methods for voter fraud, consider that, with their secretaries of state, Republican Governors control the electronic vote count in nine key swing states: Florida, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Iowa, Arizona, and New Mexico. Remember how this worked out in Florida 2000?

        Research, my friend requires more than looking to see who’s “sitting on your face.” (And just why would you have voting machine CEOs sitting on your face?)

      • Lisa

        Neither seemed concerned about bringing back our jobs so people could be earning their own living without having to need food stamps to live on. Romney had no concept of how it is for anybody other than the wealthy. He is part of the job exporting problem! Also he made healthcare insurance mandatory in Massachusetts before Obama got elected and foisted it on the rest of the country. Romney lost Massachusetts and Michigan so I’m not surprised he lost the election. Governors are usually expected to win the state they were Governor in.

      • http://google rose

        This reply is for Janet. What the heck! You work full time nurse and you draw ss also? Nurses make good wages what the heck you need ss too, if you are working fulltime? Oh yeah, you are one of the brainwashed sheeple that voted for Obama and you deserve to do this

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      I agree and I’d like to add that GOP offered us no choice in Romney. 85% in agreement with Obama’s policies. We wanted a CONSTITUTIONAL conservative….not a moderate.

      The hen house stunts Romney’s team pulled in the primaries (CHEATING) and changing the rules at the convention assured that no self respecting Ron Paul supporter would vote for Romney…and including anyone with integrity or a sense of fair play even if you weren’t a Paul supporter.

      Romney has the same problem Obama did regarding adherence to the constitution…he supported NDAA, TARP, PATRIOT ACT, preemptive wars (even without a declaration from congress), big govt, deficits (2 trillion more spending than Obama on the military)., in other words….the same things. NO CHOICE. It was a repeat of the 2008 election with even worse results.

      We would have had a republican president if Ron Paul had run against Obama….there would have been no agreeing on policies during the presidential debates that’s for sure. He was really the ONLY candidate that could have brought in disenfranchised democrats, libertarians, true conservatives and youth votes. His theme of leaving most things to the states and reducing the federal government powers was a clear winner with most people…only neocons wanted Romney.

      • Motov

        Go Rhonda Go!!
        Ron Paul definitely got shafted with the Maine delegates, and they also got silenced at the GOP Convention, and yet “Romney-bots” expected them to get behind a “status quo” and flip-flopping candidate like Romney?
        Get real! both candidates shred the Constitution, Romney is just as liberal as Obama, either way we vote, we lose, one consolation is A democrat will be in office when everything starts to crumble, and guess what? Blaming George Bush WILL NOT work.

        Ron Paul had the solution, but powerful rich bastards behind the scenes knew this fact.
        They feared Ron Paul, and made him out to look like some nut job talking about America’s Government Owners Manuel, known as the Constitution. Welfare cheats, (corporate neocons & liberal minded parasites) love the wealth generated by this document, but hate the rules they would have to play by, so they love BIG government so they can dictate our road to slavery.
        True Conservatives want a constitutionally restricted Government, with the LIBERTY to pursue happiness.
        Young people are energized with Ron Paul’s message, something that does not happen with anyone else.

    • CJ

      KG, if you’re going to quote JFK, maybe you should abide with: “ask not what your country can do for, ask what you can do for your country.” Obama has presented plans, but his actions dictate he has no intention of honoring them. A wise man judges by actions, not by words, and Obama’s actions have shown nothing but contempt for everything the US stands for. To claim otherwise indicates you’re not paying serious attention.

      • eddie47d

        Just what is it that Democrats aren’t honoring or not doing to service this country? What have the Republicans done to bolster our standing in the world or to help our economy?

      • janet

        And…what exactly are those ‘actions’??

  • GALT

    No one has or will accuse you of being very bright Wayne, and you can take that
    and the 150 lbs of granite to the bank, and still won’t be able to buy a coffee at
    Starbucks.

    Why were you WRONG?………despite all your excuses, it is quite simple.

    That a majority of the 99% would be convinced that voting for someone who is
    in the top ten percent of the top 1% would be a solution to “their” problems was
    NOT a reasonable expectation……….despite that fact that a good portion of these
    actually were foolish enough to believe this.

    You see Wayne the only one’s left who harbor the delusion that the blessings
    of “free market, unregulated, capitalism” is a good thing are those who have yet
    to be victimized by it…………which is a shrinking, not a growing faction……..if
    those “blessings” were REAL………voting for it would be a “no brainer”, rather
    than those voting with “no brain”………..

    As you slide into the ranks of the victims you can contemplate this……still there
    is the possibility you can always try to get your old job back with Jim Feist, as the master
    prognosticator you claim to be………after all, actually being able to do it, isn’t really
    a requirement in a confidence game, is it?

    • Cliffystones

      “You see Wayne the only one’s left who harbor the delusion that the blessings
      of “free market, unregulated, capitalism” is a good thing are those who have yet
      to be victimized by it………’

      I’m no fan of Socialism, Progressivism, Hopey-Changeism, etc. But any of us who are/were working stiffs that got shafted by some 3-piece suit middle manager understand that pure capitalism sucks just as bad as it’s polar opposite.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        I disagree….the system we are operating under is corporatism and it has been since Bush and his cronies took over. Don’t believe me? Then go to open secrets and see who’s giving Romney and Obama big $$$. Not the citizens, not the military, their largest contributions were from wall street.

        We haven’t had free market capitalism in many years ….if we did we would be thriving. Everything now is skewed to benefit banks, corporations, and vultures like Romney. The whole congress needs to be voted out and you need to elect people who score high on the NEW AMERICAN FREEDOM INDEX. That tells you the % of times they vote WITH THE CONSTITUTION.

        That’s where we went terribly wrong.

      • GALT

        Rhonda……..nothing went terribly wrong…….capitalism doesn’t work because economics
        doesn’t work……….the only reason you have a “middle class” is because “unregulated
        free market capitalism” crashed the economy in 1929, and the myth of sound money
        and the attempt to return to it, made the continuation of the war to end all wars an unavoidable outcome. ( see The Lords of Finance.. )

        Why the economic subset of capitalism doesn’t work is simple enough…..

        a brief excerpt from the book Econned.

        “In 1776, Adam Smith published The Wealth fof Nations. In it he argued that the uncoordinated actions of large numbers of individuals, each acting out of self interest, sometimes produced , as if by “an invisible hand,”results that were beneficial to broader society. Smith also pointed out that self interested actions frequently led to injustice or even ruin. He fiercely criticized both how employers colluded with each other to keep wages low, as well as the ” savage injustice ” that European mercantilist interests had “commited with impunity” in colonies in Asia and the Americas.

        Smith’s ideas were cherry picked and turned into a simplistic ideology that now dominates university economics departments. This theory proclaims that the “invisible hand” ensures that economic interest will always lead to the best outcomes imaginable. It follows that any restrictions on the profit seeking activities of individuals and corporations interfer with this invisible hand, and therefor are “inefficient” and nonsensical.

        According to this line of thinking, individuals have perfect knowledge both of what they want and everything happening in the world at large,and so they pass there lives making intelligent decisions. Prices may change in ways that appear random, but this randomness follows predictable and unchanging rules and is never violently chaotic. It is therefore possible for corporations to use clever techniques to reduce and even eliminate the risks associated with their business. The result is a stable productive economy that represents the apex of civilization.

        This heartwarming picture airbrushes out nearly all of the real business world.”

        It took 55 years ( 1945 to 1999 ) for the blessings and tendencies of ‘capitalism’ to
        undo those things that were restraining it from doing exactly what Smith said it would do
        and what is was doing………he are two interesting thoughts by Smith from when he
        first ventured his thoughts as the so called father of “economics”……

        “A man must live by his work, and his wages must be at least enough to maintain him. They must even on most occasions be somewhat more: otherwise it would be impossible for him to bring up a family and the RACE of such workmen could not last beyond the first generation.”

        “The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.”

        Those still enthralled by the “mythology” of economics and it’s capitalism subset, have
        no understanding of either of these concepts………and have no clue that these idea’s
        originate from Smith……and they are resistant to both……..

        The fact remains……you have “free market, unregulated, voluntary transaction,
        capitalism”………crony or not…..it’s still capitalism……..and if it’s not working for you,
        that’s because………it doesn’t work……..

        The real joke is why would you expect something that measures success, achievement
        and benefit in terms of “money”……..when it is clear that one can and will do whatever it
        takes to WIN…….based on the rules of the game…….and if you can write the rules,
        even better?

        If you have not been successful in the game…….either you didn’t know what the rules
        were……….or you had something inside you which prevented you from doing what
        was required to win…………and I’m willing to bet that for most, this is true.

        The irony is why can you not see that other’s are not so restrained……….and using
        the system that you claim to support to do precisely what it was designed to do?

        • http://williamsoncontracting.wordpress.com timothywilliamson

          Hey, John, tell me. If you were in the position to make your own government, what would it look like? Would it be a constitutional republic? Would it be a monarchy? HOw would you build your idea world? Tell me about your view of what the world should look like.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            GALT First the International market Scheme needs to be abandoned , its Not resulting in balanced trade or sustainable supply overall . So to stop the trend towards a UN Dependent One world Market in Order for Nations to stay Independently Self Reliant every nation should first create they own vital needs from the food they eat to the Nuts and Bolts to provide these essentials . Then whatever they have left over they offer to the World in Trade for something they don’t have and that trade be negotiated to a Solvent result for all .
            The Nations that cannot provide themselves with certain needs but have other resources or creative Innovations that can expand their essential needs would be how a nation either supports itself independently or becomes a ally of another nation .

          • http://williamsoncontracting.wordpress.com timothywilliamson

            GALT First the International market Scheme needs to be abandoned , its Not resulting in balanced trade or sustainable supply overall .

            TIM – Since the global economic system is growing more and more interconnected, intertwined and even co-dependent with each passing day, and since this trend toward growth, expansion and increasing economic, political, social and commercial connection is a fact of human nature and human history, then not only will the global economy continue it’s acceleration toward unity, but it will also drive all of us more closely together over time. Of course, there will always be those who do not want to go down this path, but stopping it is now impossible.

            GALT So to stop the trend towards a UN Dependent One world Market in Order for Nations to stay Independently Self Reliant every nation should first create they own vital needs from the food they eat to the Nuts and Bolts to provide these essentials . Then whatever they have left over they offer to the World in Trade for something they don’t have and that trade be negotiated to a Solvent result for all .

            TIM – The facts are that no nation will ever again be ‘independently sefl-reliant’. Sustainable growth over the long term, not stagnation, requires accelerating trade, commerce, innovation, education, standardized systems of money and increasing cooperation between the parties involved. All this would mean that the parties would need to develop rules for those interactions. In other words, it would not take us very long to get back to where we are now. So, why then re-invent the wheel? Why not work to make the system in place now better?

            GALT The Nations that cannot provide themselves with certain needs but have other resources or creative Innovations that can expand their essential needs would be how a nation either supports itself independently or becomes a ally of another nation .

            TIM – Since, generally, each nation has something the others need or want, and since alliances and treaties would create the variuos allies that you suggest, then is that not what we have now?

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            Tim no I don’t think we have a Unity with our trade partners since all Currencies are not par value and this certainly is causing the discount in USA wage growth now that credit is gone . And that Lack of following the free floating currency rules by Trade partners as their GDP grows is another reason why the USA and European nations have become Insolvent by Losing its self reliant manufacturing thats the bases for Wealth creation as well , and the Lack of a Fair trade Negotiation in balancing the deficits with agreements over these disparities is why we should have brought tariff Trade back into the Process of negotiations long long time ago as we have NEVER had Balance Trade since the 1994-5 trade agreement with the WTO was Formed !!!!
            So now all we have since 2008 is world Government Consolidated with the Private sector Industries that Over these last 15 years have Only merged together internationally into what is Now called the multinational Corporate sector , and all this is parallel to How Kissinger described this Plan in his NSSM200 study to Bring about World Control of the View of Unfettered Population growth in the world becoming out of control and unable to supply itself and stay Peaceful

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        Galt –I never said UNREGULATED free market capitalism. We screwed the pooch when Clinton unwisely derailed the Glass Stegall act and when Brooksley Born blew the whistle on the derivatives and she was marginalized, or rather neutralized, by Clintons lackeys.

        Of course there needs to be regulations and it can work….we just haven’t been allowed to see that. We don’t have the right regulations in place now to prevent another TARP.

        Without the federal government playing favorites rather allowing these companies and banks to fail when they take risks— free market capitalism is a win win for the common man.

        The great depression was not a result of free market capitalism….and the resulting formation of the federal reserve has further hindered it by enabling unfair competition.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        Galt- the myth of sound money? Gold and silver backed currency is no myth.

        Fiat money systems always collapse if not backed by gold and silver….show me one that hasn’t. I’d say we’ve about run out of time on ours wouldn’t you?

        Gold bars tungsten filled showing up stamped with our treasury should tell you that is where the myth lies.

      • filpped54

        I agree with you that pure Capitalism or pure Socialism do not work. A happy medium is most likely to succeed in any scenario. Any social system needs to have oversight and regulation to protect the citizens from corruption and those who are tempted to take advantage of citizens in vulnerable situations. We should not have to on our guard constantly to protect ourselves in this so called “civilized” society.

      • GALT

        For Rachel:yes, you are correct about the de-regulation which began with Reagan, and
        the early signs with the S&L Crisis and the crash of 87……..but that didn’t prevent or
        stop the “spirit of capitalism” from continuing…..where the failure of Long Term Capital
        Mgmt almost took down the economy……by the “faux” Bank of of Sweden Prize for Economics in memory of Alfred Nobel, a company formed by these “frauds” and the
        Blackford Scholes Model which claims to have developed a “model” that eliminated
        risk…….which was your “derivatives” market…….and this idiocy didn’t stop the repeal of Glass Stegal or the passage of Gram, Leach Bliley…….which gave you the perfect
        “capitalist” model………( not your’s….because you have admitted the need for regulation. )

        The problem now is……..the system is way out of whack, and neither nations nor their
        central banks have any control over the “problem” which still exists……because the
        imaginary wealth that was created…….still exists…..because the losses have not been
        realized……..and there are in addition to the “debt” resulting from the mortgage meltdown
        there are another 87 trillion dollars of unsettled derivatives still floating around.

        If this were all restricted to the “sub prime” mortgages …….the entire value
        of this market was 1.2 trillion dollars……..

        So we have an extremely precarious situation that can be triggered by any number of
        factors and individual players…….since centralized control and stability is no longer
        possible…………

        While gold and silver ( or other hard money constructions ) seem to offer stability……..they don’t appear “economically” until 800 / 600 BC…….prior to that
        credit alone was sufficient……..and still failed……..and the only thing that it took
        to make these credit markets unstable was the introduction of usury…….and that
        is the underlying weakness of “economics” at its core…….the only solution for this
        problem was the general forgiveness of debt on a regular basis………

        When coin money appears in Greece, Persia, India, and China it has a singular
        purpose……the funding of armies for the purpose of conquest………to learn about
        this Debt The First Five Thousand Years…..is the most direct and efficient method.

        As for gold/silver or whatever providing “stability” in 1929 the United States was on the
        gold standard and also had control of 80% of the world’s gold supply…….the Federal Reserve was not centralized as it is today………the 13 individual banks set their own
        policies…….which put the N.Y. Fed in the middle of the maelstrom under it’s head
        Benjamin Strong…..and so the leverage factor’s were only two…….fractional reserve
        requirements as set by the various Fed Banks, and the margins offered by Wall Street Brokers………unfortunately in europe, the economic situation was bleak…..and
        the major players, Britain, France and Germany……acting at cross purposes to each
        other……..which forced all available capital to seek a positive return, and the only
        place this was possible was…….Wall Street…….which was completely unregulated.

        Keynes doesn’t publish his “theory” until 1936, so most of the “supposed knowledge”
        being spewed regarding the why’s and wherefores of what really happened is
        simply “common ignorance”……….repeated ad nauseum…….

        Now actual understanding of this and the history involved is not particularly difficult
        to come by……..so if you have such an interest the following volumes with help
        you with the “factual” nature of the history….and you can then draw your own
        conclusions………

        Debt the First 5000 Years
        The Lords of Finance
        Power, Inc
        Extreme Money
        Economics Unmasked
        Econned
        The Great Divergence

        You can google them for the their relevance as to your own interests, assuming
        that any of this is of interest………..

        Finally all economic systems/ regardless of form of government have collapsed,
        that is “history”………we now have a global system which is on the verge of doing
        so………..that is because ‘economics” itself……has no foundational connection
        to anything REAL……..regardless of what you try……until such a connection
        to REALITY is reached……..ultimate failure is the only possible result.

        for timothy……was your john question directed at me? if so, it is far too general
        to produce a response…….so you will have to wait for the book……..and for this
        to matter you would need a more expansive back round…….the reading list here will
        start you off…….

        Also I do not know why my name appears in one of your posts, numerous times, as
        if I am participating in a debate with someone else………

    • GALT

      Sorry Rhonda……I blurred your names together, and ended up with Rachel……

  • Karolyn

    Very good points.

    • Flashy

      and voice. Mr. Root must be Irish, for the article is about as self serving bunch of blarney as could be written. Betwixt Mr Root and Karl Rove, it would be difficult to separate which is looking for the best BS excuse for completely misreading the American electorate.

      The GOP was completely spanked and one may summarize the reasons in two words…Tea Party.

      As i wrote back in May when, reading his prediction of a GOP landslide, I stated Mr. Root was a few fries short of a Big Mac Deal, the GOP would lose and the call was relatively easy. All one has to do is recite President Obama’s campaign theme…Forward !

      The GOP is a party of negativity and they ran the entire election on negativity and promises to go backwards. They offered no solutions. Add to that throughout the President’s first term they said “no” on every policy to the point they have been tagged the Party of No. The GOP placed politics and selfish motives above that of nation…and they were measured, found wanting, and summarily dismissed.

      The American is, for the most part and with the exception of the extremist Right, a people who look forward…who face problems, roll up the sleeves, and get to work fixing it. Obama has that message, willingness, and leads by that example. He doesn’t propose extremist policies, and in every crisis has been cool, calm, collected, and a steady captain of the ship. He is also 180 degrees the opposite of the Bush/Cheney debacle in that he rejected fear, anger, hate and divisiveness as the basis for leadership..

      Mr. Root..you cited the economic numbers as ‘proof’ President Obama would go down. What you and your ilk failed to realize is the most simplest of concepts. With the exception of the TP and American Taliban, Americans are not dumb cattle to be herded at the behest of elite wealthy aristocratic controllers.

      Americans measured this president’s economic performance from the point that he saved us from the abyss of a depression, saved jobs, and was able to reverse course. His economic performance was positive…especially in light of being opposed every step and inch of the way by self serving GOPers who placed politics above nation. In viewing through the GOP eyes…had they cooperated, the election would have been even a larger mandate as the economy would be further ahead. His economic performance is based upon Forward principles. Rebuild the infrastructure, new energy sources, R&D, education, assimilating the ever changing society into One America. Rebuilding the health of the Middle Class.

      His negative numbers may be attributed, in a hefty part, to the negativity always cast at him and moving the nation forward. The lies, the untruths, the negative comments about hyped numbers which were taken out of context … Americans don’t take to that.

      His foreign policy? Even the TPers and that gang of scam artists aka American Taliban couldn’t find much fault.

      Recall the Conventions, and the campaign crowds. Obama and the Dems. A mixture of the people of America. All genders, all colors, all creeds, all ages. The GOP’s ? Angry middle age white people.

      Finally, simple mathematics. Going into the campaign, the Democrats had 212 electoral votes solid in their corner. The GOP 186. Obama had only to win three of the then swing states to carry the day…the GOP had to carry all but two.

      How could the GOP won the presidency? Huntsman had the best chance..and likely could have. Pawlenty would have made it neck and neck and had a better than even chance of winning a horse race. But, in the wisdom of the extremists…the ones who could have taken the ring were ousted early.

      We may now sit back and watch the TP extremists whine, cry and yell loudly as they are pushed back into the corners where they belong and moderation takes back some control … the next six months will be a raucous time as the TP extremists scream and rant as the white cosated guys come and take them away to the asylum theyescaped from.

      And America can enjoy the promise of America…moving forward.

      • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLY FROM AUSTRALIA

        And you can add that Congressman John Boehner helped lose it too for thinking of his ego and politics before thinking of his very nervous countrymen who have $trillions invested in the stock markets which he let them sweat over before raising the debt ceiling at the 11th hour and still to lazy to ensure airport workers would be paid that week. That type of attitude lost it and people dont forget so quickly. I might add what happens in America affects us in Australia too.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        Obama has the message alright…just not the execution….he talks a good game but had no specifics either on how to fix the economy…in fact if you take a long hard look he hasn’t got a clue and it will just be more of the same Keynsian b.s. that hasn’t worked the last 4 years.

        When this country’s economy implodes you will be like Wayne asking “what went wrong?”
        You can’t spend your way out of debt.

      • nickkin

        Dream on flashy….you, eddie and the likes are expecting the American Dream with the obummer parting the waters. You will drown like the rest of us. Let me know Flashy when you become part of sharia-law…..let me know what mosque you will support in your town and how many birka’s you have…..social-marxist-communism for all…..all for the one and the one for himself. It sounds like you never recognized or lived the american Dream so now you will sell your soul for the imitation one presented by obozo-messiah.

  • http://www.facebook.com/missieb2000 Missie Slone Benson

    Actually, the thing that no one is talking about is the overwhelming voter fraud that occurred. When you have districts (in battle states, of course) with 114% turnout, that should be a red flag. But when you have multiple districts with that and not one single Romney vote? They acorned this election, plain and simple. Voter fraud is nothing new to the dnc-they invented it.

    • http://www.robstgeorge.com Rob (StGeorge) Manwiller

      Right on target, Missie! These prognosticator wannabes, including Dick (head) Morris, never want to factor, or admit the massive voter fraud from the left. It wouldn’t be PC or friendly to the “Dog And Pony Show” or might expose the ‘One Party Beltway System’ (DemonRats & Repulsivicans). Business as usual. ‘Nuff said.

    • TeaParty Patriot (TPP)

      What really ticks me off is even after getting screwed by the ‘rats, The RINOs are not persuing the voter fraud. They could contest and refuse to recognize those representatives from the fraudulant voting area an void the election. If neither candidate received the required number of delegates it would void the election and we would have to have a “do-over” possibly with a fair vote/count this time.

      • Daveh234

        I wouldn’t consider you a patriot at all. Maybe a Tea Party Supporter. Not a true Patriot.

      • Flashy

        Dave…i don’t consider any TPer a “patriot’ for this nation. They may be patriots, but it sure as heck is for this nation.

    • http://facebook doug crawford

      voter fraud won the election for 666 ,the little anti christian, he bought the election his news outlet nbc,msnbc ,cnn, abc, cbs , only show what is favorable to oblamer, basic is that he was elected by people who donot think at all they do as they are told ,what is the fade. so yes tpdal faud look to the bible and you can see that the dems. are todally 666 as a group

      • Daveh234

        Cmon’ Doug, the voter fraud was more prominent coming from the right anyway and there wasn’t enough to have any effect. It’s an old lie your trying to push. It blatantly is pushed by the right because they can’t believe that they lose otherwise.
        I found it hard to believe that the election didn’t get bought by the Right Wing Super PAC’s. It shows that this electorate was drawn out in strength and really beat the bejeebers out of Romney.
        This is the voice of “WeTHe People”.
        Because I don’t follow your opinionated direction doesn’t mean I am less of an American, less of a Patriot. I am even more so, I am part of the “We the People” majority

    • Right Brain Thinker

      The junk yard dogs are out to the ends of their chains screaming about voter fraud again. Yes, other than using the issue to stir up the JYD, the Repugnants haven’t pushed the issue too far. Wonder why? Could it be that they have way more dirt on their hands than the Dems and are afraid that would come out if they pushed the issue too hard?

    • Smilee

      If you found all the fraud committed in the election and multiply it by 10, Romney still loses. This is the claim of republicans every time they lose and they are never able to prove it. MN in 2010 found so little fraud ln the Franken- Coleman race , that if you gave all those who voted fraudulent to Coleman he would still have lost. (Franken won by 3i4 votes after a 6 month exhaustive recount and you still have some claiming Coleman lost due to fraud and it has been proven beyond a doubt to be false and again we are hearing all these false claims. GOP wants voter suppression laws enacted to solve a problem that simply does not exist. And use this false claim to support their lies. We in MN saw through that and voted in down in this election because we were not sucked in by all these lies.

      • eddie47d

        This election was going to be close no matter who was running. The 2000-2008 elections proved that out and little has changed. Why would anyone predicted a landslide when the sides have been drawn for many years.

    • Dulceb

      There are two factors that skewed this election.
      One: There was fraud. So far it has not been definatively proven, but all that is done in the dark witll come to the light.
      Two: This is what had steamrollered over my heart, one out of every two Americans would prefer a handout to self respect. You cannot beat Santa Claus. You cannot beat the feeling that 50% of the nation has of entitlement.
      Yes, Romney could have been more agressive, but I doubt it would have helped. The fox is always going to vote for an open chicken house,
      For the final cliche, if you rob from Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul’s support.
      Now, the responsible 50% has to hunker down and prepare for the denouement.

      • Daveh234

        How dare you call anyone and all that voted for the DNC freeloaders and stupid and whatever else you seem to believe. You cannot make statements like that without me and many others thinking how little a person you are. Not a Patriot but a rabble rousing ignorant POS. You are the people that are making ridiculous statements and demands. You are not the voice of “We the People”. Those people voted Obama in

        • renee tanner

          We said the SAME thing when Bush got in twice. Just accept the facts Romney Lost…Period. No one was buying the Republicans pitch of hate and fear. Get on with your life already.

      • GALT

        Small problem with that line of thinking is that ole Willard seem to concede rather
        easily……….this guy spent 45 million of his own money in trying to beat McCain for
        the nomination the last time………if he thought there was any chance that he could
        have protested and won regarding the results…..he would have taken it……..

        Being both stupid and a sleazeball, I guess he just wasn’t THAT STUPID…….

      • eddie47d

        This site crowed that Obama would spend one billion on this election and although he came close it was Romney who spent 1.25 billion which they failed to predict or even acknowledge. Maybe they need a new crystal ball or to get outside more with the actual voter.

      • GALT

        No fifth term………!!!!!!!! ( proper planning prevents p*ss poor performance )

        Hopefully there is enough lead time………

      • Florence

        I find it infuriating to hear so many of you accuse honest Americans of being on the dole. These people lost their jobs, their homes, their healthcare and their dignity. All of this happened because the American govt knew what was happening and did not, I repeat…did not do anything to protect them. Americans need this financial help. How about losing your job and you do not get unemployment extended even tho you still have money left in your unemployment account. Where does that money go?…to the govt, so they can give it to illegals?

        You mention voter fraud, how about people voting who have no right to vote in this country, how about illegals & hispanics supporting BO so they can continue to be on the dole. Stop this negative speculation against Americans. So, blame BO for his “tricks of the trade” so-to-speak…the “disaster act along w/work permits and amnesty” for “children” up to the age of 30 born to illegals in this country. I did not know that “children” could be that old. BO Circumventing actions for Arizona and other states who were working to deport illegals,..another carrot for hispanics. BO blatant lying during the campaign re: deportation numbers, benghazi. Blasting Romney for his investments and yet he was guilty of having the same investments as Romney, no media blasted that across their reporting. Stop buying into the notion that Americans want to be on the dole. That is an insidious lie.

        Do you remember the illegals who were given an Itin # by the IRS/Govt so they could file tax on their earnings. They actually got as much 30,000 (much more than they earned) by claiming dependents in mexico…aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, etc. Think we can get away with this? I never read that any of them were prosecuted and/or made to pay restitution or deported! I guess I know the answer to that one…

        Our govt continues to give illegals many services that Americans are not even eligible for and illegals did not put any money into these programs. Yet, our govt continues to send aid in the millions to countries south of the border. Why? When most of their people are here. So, our govt is supporting their govt with financial aid and supporting their people here with financial aid. America’s population and system is burgeoning with these 50 millon+ illegals here. I remember in the last 4 years reading 8 mill, 9mill, 11 mill, 13 mill, then it jumped to 30 mill, the way they procreate it has to be that number (50 mill)! Why would this govt want to give amnesty to 50 million people who cannot support themselves? This is not a population that is necessary to our survival. They do not have anything to offer, nothing!

        You also don’t hear our govt complaining about the money they spend on illegals.Yet, Our govt keeps talking about “entitlements” that they want to take from American taxpayers. Let me remind you, those “entitlements” that they keep talking about are soc security and medicare which we paid for, so they really mean they want to take our ownership rights from us for what we paid for. It is so like the govt to change the rules in the middle of the road. How about the 793 billion (it is not 719 bill as they reported) that BO took from our ownership to fund OBcare. That should be illegal. He just took it! You want to complain about something, complain about that lying crook in the white house. Stop complaining about Americans who are in one of the worst dilemmas ever.

        Something you may not have heard about re: illegals in this country and some of those legal immigrants from s-o-border: they have rodeos every summer in south jersey and the animal rights people generally follow them around the country for their inhumane treatment of animals. They have this macho culture: bull fighting, dog fights, cock fights, in other words blood sports! Well, add this to the list: running horses around a ring at full speed and then lassoing their front legs to pull their legs out from under them at a full gallop. This injures horses as well as jeopardizes their lives. I don’t understand why animal rights don’t just close them down, arrest them and deport them. But you don’t hear about this negative “cultural: impact either.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      voter ID and paper ballots would solve that

      • http://yahoo bobdavidson

        234 you are real clown , He bought the election 47 mil. checks meant Mitt was down 47 mil. votes. Just bring up voter fraud on your comp. and take a look at what happened in Ohio.

      • Texas Ride

        Bobdavidson you are so correct about the fraud! Why isn’t anyone talking about it other than a few of us. The repubs are silent! Kind of makes me wonder which side they are on.

        These “retros” can’t win without perpetrating fraud on the nation!

        There isn’t anyway obumscum would have been ligitimately elected with the rising umemployment, loss of income, a crippled economy, devaluation of the dollar, loss of personal freedom and the criminal treasonous acts being committed by the regime (and both parties.) There is not enough real Americans that want more of the same. So…the retros import foreigners who are already socialists to do their voting! That is so much easier for them, just dilute our demographics with all the socialists they can entice into this country. Then, they buy votes with our money. We are made to finance the rise of socialism by the means of taxes collected and spent on unions, which are nothing but democrat slush funds, the bailouts, and soon QE111. And, don’t get me started about our tax dollars that are given away to socialist countries and the mideast.

        When can working Americans start benefiting from the taxes they pay, when they get the gust to take their country back.

        • Jeff

          Do you ever feel the need to have evidence before making “factual” statements? I guess Texans don’t believe in facts judging by your President W.

    • Flashy

      What 114% ? Whatever you are smoking…quit. Obama won several precincts with 100% of the vote. the math and demographics are plain for anyone to read how it occurred. in the Philly precincts…the average number of voters was 300. All inner city and very very unlikely to vote Romney Ryan. Same with the couple of precincts in Cuyahunga (?0 County in Cleveland.

      However…i assume since you are calling into question those precincts which voted 100% Obama, you’d have no problem with calling into question those precincts which went 100% Romney Ryan. Which, BTW…outnumber in votes and umber the ones the extremists are whining about for Obama.

      As well…if one is looking in askance at any Obama vote…how does one explain the Senate elections? Oops.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        Obama won with just about 25% of elligible voters….that’s no overwhelming victory or mandate from the majority. Factor out the felons & illegal aliens, voter fraud, he doesn’t represent the vast majority…..it’s just that the GOP foolishly tried to run a liberal masquerading as a conservative and more people stayed home than voted for Romney as well.
        Obama doesn’t have the majority of the nations support by a long shot. The GOP threw this race rather than nominate a constitutional conservative.

      • eddie47d

        Rhonda: Few illegals vote and even fewer would even take the chance of going to a polling place to do so. Think about your reckless statement about “felons” also. Most who have a felony record don’t vote either and those who do have had their record cleared (which means they are no longer a felon).

      • Flashy

        Rhonda…President Obama won with a majority of the votes. not a plurality…a majority.

        By any count, the voters slapped down the GOP. If he didn’t receive a mandate, care to explain about the sudden ‘evolving’ of the leadership of the GOP and how come they’re caving in on almost every area coming up for discussion?

    • Flashy

      Missie..think fer gosh sakes!

      1. The statistics for years back shows voter fraud occurs not with the individual voter, but with the election officials. Where were most of the fraudulent acts found? GOP held strong holds where ballots disappeared or ‘provisionals’ demanded and then placed aside. That and votr suppression was very apparent as part of the GOP strategy. Every right wing conservative planners state that the higher the % of vote, the less likely conservatives win…thus the goal is keeping the vote numbers low.

      Second…recall, when the UN asked to send in observers to watch our election process…it was not the Progressive or Moderates screaming “no!”…. it was the right extremists and conservatives screaming no international observers. Now…why would you suppose the right screamed no to international observers and the Moderates and Progressives were saying ‘come on in!”. Ya really think the ones inviting international observers were planning on organized fraud and cheating?

      • nickkin

        Yes you dummy…..it is the start of Globalization….next time you have a chance to vote, if the UN qualifies you as an American traitor, you can vote in the Euro & Mid-east countries…that is unless you have a sex change……women will be put back in the dark ages of no-vote….if you can find enough women you can march to the tune of Sharia…hear the horns blowing…6 times a day ( I think ) for you to respond. Yes, the UN.The future America’s baby-sitter.

    • nickkin

      Missie……this is CHICAGO POLITICS from the start……obummer could never win fairly…even when he is hoop shooting , his baskets are the only ones that count…ever wonder why he can’t show his actual birth cert.. Ever wonder why we don’t know his school grades ? Ever wonder why he promotes the muslum-brotherhood ? Ever wonder where his loyalty lies ? If it is not America, where could it be ? Only allah knows.

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        “his is CHICAGO POLITICS from the start……obummer could never win fairly…even when he is hoop shooting , his baskets are the only ones that count…ever wonder why he can’t show his actual birth cert.. Ever wonder why we don’t know his school grades ? Ever wonder why he promotes the muslum-brotherhood ? Ever wonder where his loyalty lies ? If it is not America, where could it be ? Only allah knows.”

        Let’s see:
        He has not only shown his official birth certificate, he wrote to the HI Health Department ask special permission to get a copy of this original Document from the Health Department. (BTW, they are numbered not by who was born first but by which document is processed in the weekly packet sent by the hospital to the health dept.) The officials in Hawaii have verified, numerous times that Obama was born there. The State of Arizona has verified that Obama was born in Hawaii.

        We don’t know his school grades because we don’t have the right to know them. This has been true since 1974. I strongly suggest that you move on.

        He does not promote the Muslim Brotherhood, although he has been attempting to help the new Government in Egypt by opening talks with them.

        No, I don’t wonder where his loyalty lays. He is an American and has been all of his life. So are his wife and children. Other than the fact that you don’t like him, what facts are there that show that he is anything other than he seems to be?

  • T. Jefferson

    Plain and simple, romney lost because he is nothing more than obama lite. You idiots wanted a limp wristed liberal republican for the ticket to appeal to the freaks in the crowd. You want to win? Put a hardass on the ticket who follows the founding fathers like Thomas Jefferson, One who believes the constitution was perfect the way it was written. One who believes in individualism, freedom and self responsible determination.

    • alpha-lemming

      I kinda think Ryan WAS the hardass contingent on the ticket…. albeit on the bottom. His selection at least insured the conversation would be about the budget (for a short while anyway…. ’til the “war on women” and “Romney gives people cancer” campaigns) and responsibility with the peoples dollar. Rubio (near as I can tell…. a good guy) would’ve been labeled a “pandering” or “window-dressing” selection…. “They don’t like you, they’re just trying to fool you” yadda yadda… the lefts response as predictable as the sunrise… and fiscal concerns never would’ve seen the light of day. And of course the “Obama-lite” talking-points from the top of the ticket quenched most of Ryans “time to get tough” message.

  • Kevin Winn

    All true. Wasn’t the GOP campaign manager the same person who did such a poor job running the MCaine campaign in the last election? Don’t the Republicans have anyone who can do a better job?

    • Flashy

      No. Steve Schmidt sat this one out. he foresaw the writing on the walls and said the entire GOP campaign, from presidency down, was run by a bunch of “strange thinking people”

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Miguel Stroe

    The result was a combination of poor campaigning on the part of Romney and the GOP, not being aggressive enough with the garbage the ‘democrats’ put out, not picking Rubio and going after the Latino vote and MASSIVE fraud on the part of ‘democrats’ ranging from ‘faulty’ voting machines to multiple illegal voting and stuffing ballots. The GOP has yet to respond to the obvious fraud in the ‘swing states’,etc.

    • Daveh234

      Again with the fallacy of voter fraud. Get your head out of your butt. It didn’t happen in any meaningfull manner , if at all. Romney sucked as a candidate. I am not a Republican(or a Democrat either) but how many flip flops can someone make before they look like a rubber man. Romney had no balls, he only wanted to be “president” because he somehow thinks he desrves it.

  • renee tanner

    After having said all that…you Sir STILL do not get it! Keep believing your own hype and this scene will play out the same for a VERY LONG TIME. We the people have had enough!

  • Bernard England

    What I believe is it’s hard to beat out someone who has based his whole life on lies and gives away everything that the hardworking class has, so that a bunch of lazy 3rd & 4th generation beggarscan have as much. Also if you would take away the rights of the dead and illegal to vote, Mitt would have won. I have seen the same thing right here in Illinois whe Blogo. got deposed and Quinn was elected, should have never happened, but the Cicago bunch w/the voter fraud got him in.

    • Daveh234

      Bernard has a silly notion that the fallacy of voter fraud is what caused this outcome. Really a stupid argument and I think you are as “un” American as anyone else that believes that to be the case. Grow up, educate yourself and start from facts not right wing lies

    • eddie47d

      Every election cycle they bring up the illegal vote when it is just not there. Republicans lie so much (cry wolf) its hard to believe them when they do tell the truth.

  • Lita Durr

    I believe that it was fraud, voter RAMPANT VOTER FRAUD! Illinois has been doing it for years and has it down to a fine art. We the people were screwed. If something isn’t done about protecting one of the most important cornerstones of our rights to keep its integrity than we might as well hand this country over to our enemies gift wrapped. So what will Congress, our voice in the government, do about it? Well, so far I’ve heard no one talk about it at all. Not even Romney or Ryan.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Miguel Stroe

      The electorate has been definitely dumbed down. They keep buying the same dependency promises… PLUS the fraud issue needs to be addressed if elections are to mean much in the US.

  • Corkey

    If the GOP ran Ron Paul he would have easily beat Obama. The GOP and media used every dirty trick to silence the man. They deserved to lose as a result Pauls Farewell Address yesterday is another chilling warning to this country. I suggest you listen to it. Mitt Romney received fewer votes than Lamebrain McCain in 2008. The voters have had it with the GOP and their idiotic leadership.

    • Daveh234

      The Republican primaries really made the RNC look stupid and goofy.
      Herman Cain? Rick Perry? The two most reasonable candidates were never given a chance. Ron PAul was pushed aside. In Florida we had the opportunity to vote for Roseanne lesser knowns. Right from the beginning they showed their “asses” and hurt whatever candidate came through the process.
      How any votes came to Romney proabably were from sympathy or just anti-Obama

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        Yep you got it Dave
        Instead of standing for principles and the constitution the GOP tried to market Romney as a conservative and the media blackout did it’s share of damage…..the only men standing on that stage I’d ever consider voting for were Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. The rest are all RINOS.
        You who were “anybody but Obama” sold out your principles and got your just reward. The lesser of 2 evils crowd would vote for a ham sandwich if your party ran it instead of having any loyalty to the constitution.

    • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

      No, Ron Paul wasn’t even on the ballot because the majority of the US don’t like, or want, his policies. For no other reason.

  • paul jorgensen

    Obama was running against Romney over a year ago, because Romney is who he wanted to run against, Rove wondered why obama attacked Romney now he has his answer. Limbaugh wondered why the press treated Romney with kid gloves, they wanted obama to face romney. The press duped you into voting for romney in the primaries. Bachmann said the press is trying to influence this election, and Pelosi said republicans will not show up en masse for romney, they were both correct. I seen this coming!

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      It was so obvious….liberal pundit Donna Brashaer even stated the democrats wanted Romney as an opponnent after one of the primary debates…..DUH????

    • eddie47d

      Bachmann barely won reelection herself and she wants to be a spokesperson for the Republicans. Did they want an even bigger disaster with her?

  • Ralph P

    Wayne, you couldn’t be more right “give more free stuff and you win”. Right out of the Hugo Chavez playbook. One problem is they don’t teach personal responsibility in our schools and haven’t for decades, they don’t teach about liberty or how we fought for it and eventually won it. The last two elections have been a result of the systematic dumbing down of America. If all you teach is political correctness and entitlement, how could you possibly vote for liberty and personal responsibility. If you are given everything (or have been promised to be given everything) how do you then change that persons mentality to “you need to pull your own little red wagon”! Another helping of misery is what they will get, but they are so mesmerized by speeches and rhetoric they repeated the same mistake. I didn’t vote for a “rock star”, I voted for a “leader” which America decided they did not want. They prefer their “rock star” persona with zero qualifications to run the country, except fancy speeches. Well done is better than well said…

  • Norm

    In his first national television interview since the 2012 election, Congressman Paul Ryan, R-Wisc., better known as the vice presidential nominee, says losing came as something of a surprise.
    “I’ll let the pundits decide exactly how he won,” says Ryan. “The point is, he got more votes than we did. That’s how he won.”
    The voter turnout for Obama went beyond urban areas, the president also won non-urban areas in New Hampshire and Iowa.
    “The president deserves kudos for having a fantastic ground game,” says Ryan. “And the point I’m simply making is, he won. He won fair and square. He got more votes. And that’s– that’s the way our system works. And so he ought to be congratulated for that.”

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Miguel Stroe

      With comments like Ryan’s the GOP will keep losing. The ‘democrats’ did NOT win fair and square, there was a lot of voter fraud and a lot of illegal contributions to hussein obama’s initial i billion dollar ‘war’ chest. Obama should have lost. He is the most incompetent president in recent history with a past he refuses to reveal, economic policies that stink and a disastrous foreign policy management that empowers dictators and islamofascists.

      • renee tanner

        Guess your short term memory is in decline. Bush undoubtedly was The most inept of Presidents. Everyone mourns the 4 Americans killed in Syria. What about the thousands killed in Iraq?? Totally avoidable. If you’re not there, you can’t be killed. Not only did we NOT go after the perpetrators of 911 (The Saudis) We put countless others in harm’s way to settle a vendetta for George Bush’s personal agenda. Talk about inept. The war was a sham, people lost their lives and the Haliburtons of the world got filthy rich doing so. Inept??? Take a REAL hard look at the 8 years of destruction Bush/Cheney dealt this country. We survived them, I am most certain you will survive President Obama. Have a great day and Stay Blessed my friend.

      • Daveh234

        Miguel, it’s obvious the voters didn’t drink the republican Kool-Aid. The lies and money raised by the Republicans was quadrupled over Obama’s totals. Voter fraud did not exist in this election. If it did where and how?
        The people of this country came out and voted. Become a man and hold your head high, you are isolating yourself from helping this country and nothing good will become of that attitude. really sad that people believe the lies spewedd forth from the extreme right wing. Limbaugh and Beck and all the others are just there to grab your attention and feed you BS and you don’t have to fall for it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      makes it pretty obvious they threw the election doesn’t it?
      Nobody likes a sore loser but I think they intended to lose….look at the campaign….it was AWFUL

      • Norm

        Rhonda Reichel
        Let’s see…
        You go to a football game.
        The team you “hate”, for whatever reason, wins.
        It was obviously the better team and was projected to win by all sane odds makers.
        Your conclusion is that your team threw the game.
        Brilliant conclusion!!

      • eddie47d

        Will they even understand winning and losing in football terms Norm?

  • Ber

    It doesn’t matter really why it happened, but it did and it may be the best thing. NOT that I support Obama’s campaign or anything he stands for but because the only way to teach children some lessons is the hard way. That cup is hot don’t touch it (Obama). Oh but it is so attractive, I think it will taste good, and they have it and I want it (Child or Immature voter). Well, we know what happens next, they child touches the cup or the immature voter follows their lust and cocoa is spilt all over them or their country goes into a deep depression with the voter loosing jobs, family, health care, etc.

    Being a student of history, not just the top layer but the deep social and anthropological impact of people and events, I know this society or people will continue but they will not be the same after the next four years and it may be a good lesson learned, the hard way and long way perhaps but hopefully a lesson will be learned. Sometimes upheaval is a good thing it doesn’t feel good when you get burned but you do learn to watch out next time and not to get burned again.

    • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

      “Being a student of history, not just the top layer but the deep social and anthropological impact of people and events, I know this society or people will continue but they will not be the same after the next four years and it may be a good lesson learned,”

      No, you don’t. What you have stated is conjecture and only conjecture.

  • William

    What went wrong ? Lets start off with the obvious lets start with MASSIVE VOTING FRAUD followed by NO REAL CHOICE followed by the fact that the powers that be wanted OBlah blah in there right from the getgo ! I can go on and on, but the bottom line as to what went wrong is WE THE PEOPLE have let this REPUBLIC get away from us and NOW its time to take it back ! The people that are SUPPOSED to be working for US think WE are working for THEM ! The QUESTION on this topic should have been when is enough ENOUGH ???!!!

    • Daveh234

      William, you aren’t really that stupid to claim “Massive Voter Fraud”? No truth to the statement. Sorry. The biggest attempt at voter fraud was put forth by the Republicans in the voter registration drives they blatantly violated federal voting laws by throwing away Democratic registrations. But another argument would void voter fraud as having an effect. Too large of margins in the votes tallied. Almost no close calls out there and that is when fraud can succeed. It’s really hard to hide otherwise.
      Nope, not voter fraud.
      We the People did speak and the vote was what the people wanted.
      Don’t they count? THe hard working tax paying people are part of the Democratic party. There are freeloaders on every side. But if you think otherwise, why is Alabama, Mississippi and other welfare “states” leaning Republican?

      • Ron The Marine

        The reason most southern states lean republican is because most of us are GOD fearing, BIBLE believing, JESUS CHRIST loving Christians! The devil and his lost minions won this little battle, but read the book of Revelation in GOD’s Holy Word and you will find who really wins! Everyone (past, present, future) will bow (beneath the earth, on earth and in Heaven) and confess JESUS CHRIST as LORD to the glory of GOD THE FATHER! So enjoy this small victory while you can, because only a fool says or thinks there is no GOD! Obey GOD and leave the consequences to HIM!!!

        Semper Fi!

      • eddie47d

        Good for you Ron in being a Believer. Yet I highly doubt if Jesus would have approved in how Romney received his wealth. The devil is in the details.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        No, Jesus would definitely not have approved because Jesus is a Liberal. He even has a website with that exact name. Check it out, Ron.

        And as an old Marine too, I always liked that one slogan of the USMC’s—-”Kill Them All, Let God Sort Them Out”. Always made me feel that we understood God’s will and stood ready to carry it out.

        Belated birthday wishes!—-236 years of rompin’, stompin’, hell, death and destruction!.
        For God and Country. OOH-Rah and Semper Fi to you!.

  • joszsrepublicanpage

    We have reached the tipping point of 51% of the people getting free stuff and that is the end of AMERICA ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    • renee tanner

      Free Stuff?? You tell really good jokes. Where might I redeem my free stuff, my gifts. Seems like the top 2% were looking for free stuff from Romney. Get in the game and realize that the electorate has not been dumbed down at all. To the contrary. We are now paying attention to the slights of hand, nice try but .. We gotcha and believe me this is only the beginning. Diversity and all inclusiveness is now the order of the day. Get on board or get rolled over. That’s just the way it is from here on out. Pay attention, we the people are just beginning to speak!

      • http://personaliberty.com A-New-Hope

        You’re either naïve or the most ignorant person on the planet. You probably can’t get free stuff becuase you have a job and are above the poverty line. Duh

      • alpha-lemming

        Ahh yes…. diversity and all-inclusiveness sounds so much nicer than balkinization and indiscriminate standards. Stop flirtin’ around the edges and just tell us (the bill paying half) up front and with no double speak…. “What should the earnings cap be for all Americans so as to insure EVERYBODY owns a Lexus”???

    • eddie47d

      They always fail to recognize the “free stuff” that the Elites receive and come to the ridiculous conclusion that they “earned it”. There are plenty of liars and thieves at the top too.

    • Karolyn

      Care to cite your sources? Or are you just parroting what you hear from others? (as so often is the case)

  • Lauren

    Here’s some other things left unmentioned (though things that were mentioned all contributed):

    Romney’s unflinching support for NDAA and indefinite detention
    Romney’s aggressive militarism and/or support of indiscriminate drone warfare

    The GOP needs to work seriously to restore the Constitution if they want the support of pro liberty persons. Roll back the PATRIOT act, disband Homeland Gestapo, end warrantless wiretaps and tracking, reinstate due process protections from arbotrary governmental abuse. End the Federal Reserve and instate sound asset-backed currency! STOP torture! End the wars! Make the hard choices and PASS a BUDGET as required by law, OR SHUT DOWN the FERAL BEAST of strongman obama and his henchman harry refuse to cooperate in passing an actual budget.

    Being the “lesser of two evils” just doesn’t cut it anymore. Things have grown too dire. The US either needs to change direction and get back to legitimate governance, or we need to step back and let it implode of its own corruption.

    • Ron Bedell

      Great points. I agree.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      bravo Lauren….that’s the best most comprehensive comment on here !!!!

    • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

      “The GOP needs to work seriously to restore the Constitution”

      There is no reason for this because the Constitution has not been lost. It is still in use. You just don’t like the interpretations that the majority of the US have made regarding it. And, yes, they are interpretations. The Constitution is not written in stone. It was made to adjust to the times. That you don’t like how it has been adjusted (or the US Supreme Court’s findings of it) is actually quite immaterial.

  • Ed

    While I agree that poor choices helped the Romny team defeat itself, one still has to wonder why ANY rational person would vote for as inept an incumbent as this one. I think you totally underestimate the cult of personality that runs deeply through our society. The electorate cites with their heart, not with their head. Example: the election if a comedian with no meaningful experience as Senator from Minnesota. What I fear is that the Democrats understand this much better than the GOP, and can turn this into a perpetual presidential parade. What happens if they nominate Michelle O? She has been deified by the press, looks good, speaks reasonably well and, of course, is a woman. Can’t you just see the speech by the President: “We’ve come a long way in 8 years. But we need to finish the job. My wife can do that.” Historic opportunity! CNN, et all will crow over that. The public will again vote with their hearts. Game, set and match. Again.

    • Smilee

      Despite Franken’s history he has since proven himself very competent and now polls in MN confirm that, he will be hard to beat next time. His election also proved without a doubt the it was a honest election despite the lies being spread by the losers in that race.

  • Norm

    Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal criticized former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney on Wednesday for saying that he lost the 2012 election to President Barack Obama in part because Democrats promised “gifts” to minority groups, calling Romney’s remarks “absolutely wrong.”

    According to The Los Angeles Times, Romney told donors on a conference call after the election that the Obama campaign “focused on giving targeted groups a big gift” and was “very generous” to ethnic minorities and young voters. Speaking to reporters here at an annual meeting of Republican governors, Jindal said such rhetoric could divide voting groups.

    “I think that’s absolutely wrong,” Jindal said. “We have got to stop dividing the American voters. We need to go after 100 percent of the votes, not 53 percent. We need to go after every single vote. … So I absolutely reject that notion, that description. I think it’s absolutely wrong. I don’t think that represents where we are as a party, where we’re going as a party. That has got to be one of the most fundamental takeaways from this election.”

    Jindal, who is set to become chairman of the Republican Governors Association, has called on the party to reshape its tone when presenting ideas, especially to constituencies that traditionally vote Democratic.

  • Norm

    Top Republicans meeting for the first time since Election Day say the party lost its bid to unseat President Barack Obama because nominee Mitt Romney did not respond to criticism strongly enough or outline a specific agenda with a broad appeal.

    In conversations at the Republican Governors Association confab in Las Vegas, a half dozen party leaders predicted the GOP will lose again if it keeps running the same playbook based on platitudes in place of detailed policies. Instead, they asserted, the party needs to learn the lessons from its loss, respect voters’ savvy and put forward an agenda that appeals beyond the while, male voters who are its base.

  • Joe Hammond

    Thing is theTP doesn’t run strong state wide canidates. We had a good chance to get rid of Reed a few years ago,but ran a fool. Until the TP can find people that are smart and understand there is more to winning than the nomination they will loose.

    Auto bailout- Obama just expanded on Bushes plan.
    Abortion- same crap I would show pictures of partial birth, and showed the bills Obama sponsored in Illinois.

    Then let them defend the point, abortion is between a woman, her god and the spirit of the unborn child. If she doesn’t believe in god, no problem I believe she is screwed already, but I should not have to pay for it.

    • Norm

      Joe Hammond
      The teabaggers have a knack for running idiots. They lost 2 Senate seats, Murdock and Akins, because of it. Congressman West of Florida is also history. Bachman somehow made it, but barely.

      • Flashy

        TP senate wins in the 2010-2012 elections….2. Losses…10.

        I’m sending XMas cards to all TPers thanking them for being a significant reason President Obama was re-elected and the Moderates in the Senate gained seats in 2012.

      • eddie47d

        West made a few disparaging remarks too and I didn’t realize he had been beaten. Apparently even poster children for the far right get beaten.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      How could Romney effectively run anti abortion when he was pro choice before?

      Mr. wishy-washy the flip flopper didn’t generate ANY confidence in his integrity.

  • Steven R Linnabary

    Romney’s loss can be summed up with the old axiom “When voters are given the choice of a real democrat and a fake democrat, they’ll vote for the real democrat every time.”

    Romney failed to differentiate himself from his opponent. He needed more than simple racism or “I’m not Obama” to win.

    And of course, Romney intentionally angering the entire activist wing of the republican party didn’t help. Can you imagine if Ron Paul supporters had been invited to participate? But Romney didn’t want to associate with the activists.

    I’m more surprised at those that didn’t see this coming.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      They foolishly didn’t think they needed Ron Paul supporters….but it was very obvious they were terrified to even let Ron Paul speak at the convention, much less get the vote for nomination because Romney feared an upset. Just goes to show you that cheaters never win….this wasn’t so much a victory for Obama but a bitter defeat for the GOP and their dirty tricks, rule changing, and lack of morals.

  • Warrior

    Did anyone else witness the pelosi press conference yesterday? That gaggle is suppose to represent “gubmint leadership”? Absolute “lunacy” on full display. This isn’t even a left/right issue. It’s a sane/insane issue now.

    • Lauren

      The lunatics are running the asylum… and the remaining sane people will be blamed for the consequences…

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      Pelosi and Reid make me want to URP…but so do Cantor and Boehner

  • Dwight Mann

    It is the vote fraud that won this election. We will have to see if militias can do better. The cultural and moral fabric of this great nation has been torn asunder, and now the globalist bankers can make economic slave out of us. I feel sorry for a lot of people on judgement day, and I am assuming that it is not that far away. . .

    • Daveh234

      The only vote fraud I considered was prompted from the Republican side. The turnout and overwhelming popular vote prevented the effects of anything that could be falsified. It needs very slim numbers between candidates to swing the fraud machine

      • http://personaliberty.com A-New-Hope

        You must not have heard about the voting machines defaulting to Obama, the voter intimidation as some polling centers, polling officials suggesting that some voters cast ballot more then once, votes not being counted, etc… Yeah that may just suggest fraud…

      • Daveh234

        I heard all that crap, dude. I even heard it was the right wing that was getting votes thrown their way. I don’t believe either way was compromised. Too little to make an effect on the outcome without being blatantly exposed by now. Just more stupid crap for you to belly-ache about. Oooh, you didn’t hear what this one sided jerk said about that so you must be wrong and it all was fraud. Get real, grow up hold your chin up and breathe in and out a few times. Things could have been worse. The will of “We The People” could have been transformed into a Romney win and total corporate control of our lives. I certainly don’t see that as a benefit. Worst possible scenario.

      • Lynn

        A-New-Hope: I haven’t heard about any of these. Care to elaborate? I’d like to get more information about any and all instances of voter fraud. (Personally, I believe electronic voting is too easy to manipulate and paper ballots, issued to registered voters is the only way to prevent election fraud.)

  • Doc Sarvis

    First, President Obama was bringing us OUT of the worst economy of our lifetime.
    Second, common sense would indicate that women, minorities and the young see that President Obama’s plan benefits the masses in contrast with Romney’s plan that benefits the top 1% by implementing the same domestic and foreign policy of the Bush years. He even had the same advisors from the neocon Bush Presidency.
    Lastly, you should have been watching the real science/arithmatic from the NY Times blogger Nate Silver.
    Also, the Robber Baron attacks on Romney were started – and perfected by Romney’s GOP opponents in the Primaries.

    • http://personaliberty.com A-New-Hope

      What specifically did Obama do to turn this economy around? The executive orders and regulations he imposes are like a noose around the necks of small business owners. I do recall is was a Democrat congress that got us into this, not Bush

      • renee tanner

        You are as delusional as the rest of the Republican losers. Grow up already and realize that the republican party is TOTALLY out of sync with reality. Where oh where was the diversity?? Look at All the footage from the two campaigns and you will see Romney/Ryan was pretty homogenous. Not at all representative of the country as a whole. Get on with your life already….

    • eddie47d

      Let me get this straight HOPE. When Bush is President he is not responsible for what happens under his administration. When Obama is President he is responsible for everything. Obama can be bad but you Bush fanatics freak me out.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ajahenry James Henry

    I have always said that we need to be lead by businessmen if we want to succeed and prosper as a country. Unfortunately there are too many who disagree and just want to keep getting their personal handouts at the expense of the working majority.

    • Doc Sarvis

      I believe our last businessman President was G. W. Bush. Ugh!

      • deerinwater

        he wasn’t even that Doc, ~ W was a rich kid that liked to play grownup and had a family with deep pockets and a lot of “juice” to clean up after him.

        What was “Silverado” ? What was the Texas Ranges Ball Team? What was Air Force Reserves?

      • Doc Sarvis

        deerinwater, you are correct. I did leave out that he was not a successful businessman.

        • Jeff

          W, with all his mental challenges, always remembered his uncles’ phone numbers. Funny how they couldn’t bail him out as President. Future students will ask how closely related were the Bushes and the Hoovers.

      • http://yahoo bobdavidson

        Yep, 5.5 unemployment under Bush.

      • Deerinwater

        Yep, and it rained a lot.

    • http://twitter.com/ajaxada Anthony Jackson (@ajaxada)

      Bush was a businessman. Are you saying that we need another one like him? =Romeny….. Histrorically, Presidents who were former businessmen have the worse track record. Government isn’t only based on business. It has broader prospects where sometimes profit is not necessarily covering the issues.

  • Nancy Cornish

    Hello Wayne,
    I just read your article about why Romney lost. The part I don’t see in there is the massive fraud that got Obama enough votes to win. There is an article called “22 Signs that Voter Fraud is out of control and the election was a sham”. Please find it and read it and let us know if they are for real.
    Thanks very much. Nancy Cornish

    • Lauren

      There hasn’t been a legitimate election since they instituted electronic voting… And government authorities who do not uphold and defend the USCON and BoR are defacto illegitimate, criminal traitors. 18 USC 241 Conspiracy Against Rights

      • Nancy Cornish

        Lauren, How can we get back to fair elections? How can we get back to paper ballots? How can we get to having every vote counted and recounted by Rep and Dem. representatives? How can we get to having only American citizens voting? How can we stop people from voting in more than one state or voting more than once? How can we get so that all the military personnel get to vote for who will be their commander-in-chief? Nancy

      • eddie47d

        You made some good points Nancy but these voting machines have been around for many years now. If there is voter fraud wouldn’t you think the parties would isolate those machines that are producing fraudulent ballots and rigorously test them before AND after the election? There has to be enough citizens who are concerned about this wherever it takes place. I think its the usual election hype and possibly no truth to these yearly rumors. If they were true the Republicans or Democrats would be standing outside those precincts and demand they be fixed or removed. I NEVER hear about that happening from either party. So if those rumors can’t be proven then they shouldn’t be brought up.

    • Smilee

      The facts do not bear out the accusations made in this piece of propaganda

      • Norm

        Smilee
        Facts are really hard for many of these people to comprehend.
        The outcome of the election was very accurately predicted by the RealClearPolitics “Poll of Polls”, and Nate Silver and other predictors using computer modeling.
        All this before a single vote was cast!
        Then you had Rush, Newt, Trump, Wayne Allyn Root, and others including Mitt making predictions based on the stars, sheep intestines, and gut feelings.
        The results were never in doubt.

    • http://personaliberty.com A-New-Hope

      We need policy that would establish the person voting is actually the person identified on the voting roster. Voter ID should be instituted and perhaps this is one area that we should consider using taxpayer funds for to ensure the legitimacy of the voters.

  • http://aol Al

    Wake up white boy1

    • http://yahoo bobdavidson

      Here comes the race card again.

      • http://twitter.com/ajaxada Anthony Jackson (@ajaxada)

        Stop the racism. That’s how the GOP lost my vote…

  • Mike

    The US is part of a global economy and all national economies are interdependent. One can’t assume that the cause of unemployment in the US is based solely on the health of the US economy. It must be based on the health of the global economy. Coupled to this fact is the challenge of tracking demographics, psychographics and the corresponding MEMES beliefs and values which are changing faster than the researchers can keep up. Finally the current economic system which is supposed to serve all levels of society (trickle down from the wealthy does not work) is no longer effective and will indeed need to fail/die-off before the global social, environmental and economic systems improve. Let’s hope that the changes come before it’s too late.

    • http://twitter.com/ajaxada Anthony Jackson (@ajaxada)

      Great post Mike. What do you think about the fact that the “job creators” have made little effort to create jobs? Anyone is welcome to respond to this question.

  • Daveh234

    Wayne, you were right with the first statement you made. The Economy made the job losses, not the president. The electorate was smart enough to know that the President did everything in his power and that he was allowed to do, what with the obstructionist Congress.

    • Lauren

      Please pass the blame… and that is going to need gravy too if you expect it to go down…

      No budget, shut down the continuing criminal enterprise AKA u$ Fedgov. Oh yeah and no paychecks for those perps in the District of Criminals until Poo-losi and Crybaby Boenner do their jobs!

    • http://personaliberty.com A-New-Hope

      The stimulus plan was na utter failure and a total wasts of funds. I’m sure it went into the pockets of his cronies…

  • Right Brain Thinker

    A big “ditto” on what KG and Galt have said here. Common sense applied to Wayne’s massive and embarrassing prediction failure seems to say that Wayne needs to rethink what common sense means to him—he seems to be losing his while the electorate is getting more in touch with theirs.

    Wayne makes a few half-decent points as he gets deeper into his article (especially about Ryan and women’s issues) but keeps splashing just enough of his denial, rationalization, and just plain sore loser whining on them to make them indigestible.

    He is flat out lacking in common sense when he talks about Rubio swinging Florida and Latino voters, and repeats many of the other “talking points” that the voters have rejected, again showing how his common sense is slipping away from him and is being replaced by demagoguery.

    And good luck on finding candidates who are “fiscally conservative” but “modern”. They are very rare animals and “the base” doesn’t want “modern” in any way because modern implies change and that’s anti-conservative—and that’s a common sense analysis.

    Wayne says: “Finally, politics is played just like a football game. What matters is how you start, how you finish, your ground game and your level of aggressiveness” I have been working on an essay myself about how politics is like football. Mine is a little more “scientific” than Wayne’s in that it looks at a lot more than the “coach speak” Wayne has given us. In particular, my model points out that any team that digs foxholes at far down towards one end of the field and says to the other team “If you don’t come down to our end and play by our rules and give us the ball, we’ll drive the country over a cliff” is NOT playing football and will continue to lose.

    Wayne’s football team is certainly lacking in common sense by continuing to behave in a way that will ensure their self-destruction as they continue to prove to the voters that they do NOT have the best interests of the nation at heart. If Wayne has any common sense left, he should start betting against himself being able to “lead the fight” with the “program” he has laid out here.

    • http://twitter.com/ajaxada Anthony Jackson (@ajaxada)

      Two thumbs up!!

  • Erik

    You lost because you screwed the real guy Ron Paul. End of stort

  • Wayne

    Mr. Root I also think that the GOP and RNC went out their way to promote another loser at ballot box, I also think Romney Mormon beliefs had a lot to do with and since Gov. Romney is in to finance and had to much of his own money invested. He saw the writing on the wall and cut a deal with Obama at 12th hr. If he was such a lock you , Rove, Morris, Berion, et el Gov. Romney would not have needed to focus on 3 states , Ohio , Penn, Fl which he lost. If he was such fighter why did he concede early and not ask for a recount? This election as I have said sinks like kettle of rotten fish that is . The GOP needs retooling and revamping from the head dude down to the lowest.

    • Norm

      WoW! Lets play a game. You make up a fairy tale and then you believe it!

  • tiredofsocializm

    Romney lost because we now have a majority (though still small) who want and get stuff from the government. Plain and simple. I have never considered myself to be racist, but when I continue to see black people continue to defend and uphold other black people no matter how poorly they execute thier duties (which I also see in the corporate world, no matter how bad a black employee performs he is given slack) and then to have to listened to this Presidents divisive bull for the last four years has turned me into one. I will survive four more years of rule by this fraud of a man who was re-elected, maybe it will take another four years of low/slow growth continued high unemployement, crappy and expensive health care via Obamacare and higher taxes before the american people wake up and smell the stink this man and his minions have provided!

    • renee tanner

      Most racists don’t believe they are. As far as blacks supporting one another no matter what.. the same goes for whites. As incompetent as George Bush was he still had support. Not only was he incompetent but he was arguably learning disabled. So where was the outrage the 8 years he served? Jeb Bush would’ve been the better choice. I don’t see any one making statements like yours when it is an incompetent White man in question. What is the difference?? Incompetence is incompetence, no matter what the race. Get off of your “I’m not a racist” delusional bubble and see yourself for what you really are…a bigot. I speak from experience. I am in a 25 year interracial marriage, I am a Mormon and I live in the most rural part of my state. I hear statements like yours everyday and guess what?? You are a racist, even if you don’t know it. The one thing this election did bring out was the true racist in our country. They are sadly enough, alive and kicking. But..alas fear not oh bigoted one. There is no longer enough hate left in your ilk to continue the policies of old. We are in this together and the sooner Folks get on board with this, the faster we can achieve success….TOGETHER!

      • Warrior

        How silly of that guy, blacks “always” choose the more qualified candidate. BTW, exactly what are those “new” policies that are replacing the “old” ones again?

      • NativeBlood

        Well Renee, based on your comments you are both a racist and a mudshark! Proves we are all racist to a degree or so. Big deal! Fact is, incompetence will fester when a boy is picked for president rather than a motivated and well educated patriotic candidate wins on his own merit. Now our boys are picked by a Club. Hand picked by ???????

    • Erik

      You are a racist and that is why the GOP is losing. I am 42 year old black male who voted twice for Ron Paul. I cannot stand Romney or Obama. Nobody in my family are on welfare. We are a family of nurses and civil servants. An overwhelming majority
      Of white successful voters voted for Obama. Ask yourself why?

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        Thank you for speaking up Erik….and thank you for being a great patriot too !

    • http://yahoo bobdavidson

      Bravo well said.

    • eddie47d

      Well TIRED I’m tired of “crappy” crony capitalism AND racist remarks from either side.

  • johnC

    America has changed in fact we have reached the tipping point “give me free stuff and I will vote for you” just take it from everybody else …and you know what I now believe we will reap what we have sown…a country that mocks God as the Democrats DID at thier convention not once but 3 times, a country that allows the abortion of innocent babies and does nothing to stop it…God is giving us what the majority of asked for …he is telling us we are an evil country now and deserve evil leaders…it will get much worse…but no one will go the path God wants us to…They do not believe it works they deny GOD and for that is the reason our country will fail. There is one good thing that will come of this God will bring about the collapse of the US and this will hasten the return of Jesus. The America that once was is dying its light extinquished the hope of real freedom is being destroyed and will come the dispair of slavery as your masters in washington destroy your hope and replace it with tyranny. Obama’s regime is not about “helping the middle class” it is about enslaving us all to the New world Order Agenda to satisfy the the want for power and control of a few eliet wealthy individuals who look upon the masses as a scourge to be eliminated…Those are the people behind the usurper in office

    • Warrior

      And in good old “crook county” a congresscreature (jackson), who hasn’t worked or campaigned in over 6 months, had an affair, tried to “buy” a us senator seat and is also under federal investigation and state rep (smith), who got caught red handed taking a bribe and has been kicked out of the IL house both won reelection in landslide victories. Nobody should be surprised by barry’s V. The racist black vote will vote “color” every time no matter the “character” or “qualifications” of “their” candidate. Somehow these dolts keep thinking their lives will be enriched by voting for their “brother” but it doesn’t happen. I know, I see it everyday right here in the midwest’s version of la-la-land.

      • renee tanner

        To your own detriment let me assure you… if Mitt Romney were black he would have still LOST. His message did not reverberate with the people. I am a Mormon, I am black, my husband of 25 years is white, we live in rural America, we were both construction/utility workers, 2 kids in college. a mortgage etc..etc.. Mitt Romney Is of Mexican descent and chose to ignore that part of his lineage. Mitt Romney lost because he is Mitt Romney. Black, white or in between he still would have lost because he did not get it, and it would seem at this point, neither do you. Stay Blessed my friend and have a wonderful day.

      • Warrior

        Huh, “get what”? I don’t know what part of Romney is of latin descent and frankly don’t care. Obviously, you like to select your “leaders” by some “other” method just like the rest of the dolts in crook county.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      I disagree about the free stuff comment applying to the majority. I lost my job once and had to go on unemployment for a few months and that was the most miserable time of my life. MOST PEOPLE WANT JOBS…NOT HAND OUTS.

      • Norm

        Rhonda Reichel
        Most handputs go to the “red states”. If you get it, it’s goverment doing it’s job, If someone else gets it, it’s socialism.

    • Clara

      The People Choose The Wide Path

      On November 6, 2012, people across The United States of America have chosen the path of their own desires over the next four years.

      Have we evolved into a culture of death and dependency, instead of life and self-sufficiency?

      Women yearned for equality with their male counterparts. They have succeeded in breaking away from traditional values as was evidenced by the sexual revolution of the early 1960’s. Their once stronger male counterparts have seemed to weaken over the decades that have followed. Profound homosexuality emerged in higher numbers as a result. The nuclear family, viewed as the very core and foundation of human society seems to be dissolving. Women feel that they are entitled to government paid for contraception so that they may enjoy life more fully. If the contraception fails and causes a ‘mistake’, resulting in pregnancy, the unborn child is merely discarded because, after all…Women value their own bodies and desires more than the child they carry. There is no concern for the mind, body or soul of the precious life they carry.

      The notion of entitlement was chosen over self-sufficiency and high regard of the work ethic. With that said, it must be made clear that the disabled, elderly, disabled veterans, unemployed through no fault of their own, or those suffering from chronic mental or physical illness are very much duly entitled to receive benefits from the government. The notion of entitlement, mentioned earlier, refers to vast numbers of young and healthy individuals, who have been led to believe that our government owes them. Many young and healthy persons believe that the government must pay their way. As a result, they choose to remain unemployed. Now, there is no incentive for them to enroll in a work or educational program to elevate their self-esteem and promote self-sufficiency. Before the general election, the president had told them that he would remove the job training programs, but they would still receive the benefits.

      It was the high value of the work ethic that built our nation into one that became the strongest on the planet. Now it is very apparent that we, who make up the body of The United States of America, have become dependent upon borrowing from other countries to try to balance the budget and the high cost of entitlement. Is there no forethought for the welfare of future generations? Our children, and their children will suffer the consequences in the near future. Have we become a nation of people who care only for the needs of today with no regard for the needs of tomorrow?

      Is our once strong nation crumbling before our very eyes? Out of control spending has caused the largest deficit this nation has ever encountered. Half of the country is viewing its condition with blind eyes and deaf ears. We are being led into a place in time where there is little hope for true economic and social recovery. Businesses continue to fail. Mortgages on homes and businesses are continuing to be foreclosed. Foreign countries are purchasing properties and businesses on American soil swiftly and abundantly.

      Soon, we the people of this once very prosperous country may arrive at a point in time where we may see ourselves paying homage to a government that owns our property, our families, our liberty, our freedom and our right to life. There may be no liberty or justice for all.

      • GALT

        Clara, we have two choices………evolve or perish.

        This is a species problem ( homo sapiens sapiens ) which is ruled by it’s biology
        and a “brain” that is stuck in 50,000 B.C.E.

        With the advent of agriculture, we have been on a path to self extinction, whose final
        chapter began with the discovery of ( stored carbon based energy ) and is now
        rapidly asserting its effects which are overwhelming the illusion of the temporary
        benefits that resulted from it.

        These benefits did not arise from any altruistic motivations, for this aspect of
        eusocial behavior in humans seems to be restricted to reproductive genetics
        regarding lineage, and not from any general tendencies toward pragmatic
        co-operative behavior among species members, who are tribal in nature and
        still maintain the dominant hierarchical model which has been with us for
        195,000 years.

        Unfortunately, because our empirical understanding has been fairly recent
        regarding the REALITY which defines our existence, we are also governed by
        the “mythologies” we have created to explain our rather peculiar differences
        from other species, so that we are now faced with a complete breakdown of
        almost all of our previously held “beliefs” regarding every aspect of our
        rather arrogant claim to “superiority” over others of our own kind, and every
        other form of life.

        This willfull ignorance persists and is clearly evidenced, each and everyday
        for all to see, in every venue……….and because we are ruled by our biology,
        our behavior and our perceptions are locked into and “us” ( small subset )
        vs. “them” ( very large subset ) conditioned response loop, which short
        circuits and overwhelms any possibility of “logical reasoned intellect” being
        able to overcome the “mythologies” which still govern our lives and will
        lead us to the first instance of “self imposed extinction” since complex
        life arose on this planet.

        We have no choice but to adapt to this reality or succumb to it, and we
        no longer have the luxury of waiting for the willfully ignorant to die and be
        replaced by those capable of acknowledging what all the evidence has
        made abundantly clear. ( some assembly required )

        For those who are capable of comprehending what has been written here
        and seek further knowledge regarding the biological conditioning we have
        been unable to transcend or escape from……..I recommend the following
        reading as the most efficient and rapid assimilation of the relevant information
        so that one may proceed to other “mythologies” which require disposition
        and for which this information is a fundamental requirement.

        Life Ascending: Nick Lane

        The Social Conquest of Earth: E.O. Wilson

        ” To conquer, first DIVIDE!!!! ” ( and then HANG, separately. )

    • http://twitter.com/ajaxada Anthony Jackson (@ajaxada)

      Wow! I think you need to go see someone professional. Obama did not pass Rowe vs wade. He is honestly trying to rebuild the economy. The “job creators” obviously aren’t. I honestly don’t believe he has an evil regime. “Free Stuff?” What free stuff? Better tuition assistance…. Have the tax code “expire” for the richest 1%,….Protect Rowe vs Wade….. Rebuild infrastructure…. I am confused and I believe you may be too., Are you sure it isn’t something else unique about this president that is really bothering you?

      • bob666

        Yo Ajax,
        you know why they hate him…….perhaps because he is NOT an old white guy?

  • Wallace J. Heath

    Thanks for you views Wayne. Very constructive points that should be considered in future political endevous. Obviously the Obama/big fed.
    gov’t responding individuals must be either a part of the union mob squad or part of the 47% Romeny referred to in his presentation a few
    weeks ago. Thou I may not agree totally with your views I respect your
    rights and suggest a cival consideration from the citizens of the USA.
    That may be a little to much to expect.
    You may want to factor into your view of what has happened with the DJ average drop of more then 700 points and that employment is on rise sence Nov.6th

  • http:www.TheLords2ships.com James Banfield

    Why did he lose? simple … 2 million Republicans sat on their collective you know whats and didn’t vote. NO ONe even feels a bit ashamed of the lousy Voter FraUD going on.. Where is the Moral fortitude of the people? We lost because the people are slowly buy surely leaving God and going on their own. But will they accept it? NO, because of self pride. Bye Bye Miss American Pie… it was nice while it lasted…

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      Better that they didn’t vote than vote for evil….that’s what the Bible tells us to do is shun evil. I wrote in Ron Paul because I know God was watching. Rather than not stand for anything or standing with evil.
      These wars have killed hundreds of thousands and there is blood on the hands of people who vote for warmongers. They actually BOOED the Golden Rule at the primary debates when Ron Paul brought that up…..it shows how FEW authentic Christians belong to the GOP.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

    Obama has been Hand Picked for this time by the Global Elite and all this drama is just Theater to Numb your Mind to what is going on slowly herding the sheeple towards the Goal . The Beginning of 666 ; “PLEASE put your hand on the scanner,” a receptionist at a doctor’s office at New York University Langone Medical Center said to me recently, pointing to a small plastic device on the counter between us. “I need to take a palm scan for your file.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/technology/biometric-data-gathering-sets-off-a-privacy-debate.html?_r=2&
    ht tp://www.openbible.info/topics/mark_of_the_beast
    ht tp://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+13%3A16-18&version=ESV

    • Ron Bedell

      Good points. Yes

    • NativeBlood

      Tony Newbill says:
      November 15, 2012 at 7:49 am
      Obama has been Hand Picked for this time by the Global Elite
      ______________________________________________________________________
      Tony, besides quoting a Alex Jones playlist, Do you have any names to publish that include the “Global Elite? and then, can you prove these connections? I’m curious,
      Who do you know with enough power (besides the american voter) Hand picked?

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        See why would Romney even try to be the Republican Nominee with this Baggage and Why did the republican party push so hard to get Romney nominated when they knew this Would be used by Democrats against them and Certainly if Romney would have won just Think the OUT CRY ????
        I SAY this shows us it’s all Theater , Republicans didn’t want a candidate that could have won .
        http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/19137 ,
        ht tp://www.salon.com/2011/09/27/votinghack/
        Remote Vote Tampering Attack on a Sequoia AVC Voting Machine by Argonne National Lab
        ht tp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6ClrHPShljM

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      They had both sides covered as usual….Romney went to Bilderbergers and is CFR too

    • Karolyn

      I saw it here a few weeks ago where a libertarian wrote that Obama had been deserted by the global elite, and they were behind Romney. Gee, what went wrong? You can’t have it both ways.

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        Obama has always been their darling , he just got a few tarnishes they didn’t figure on in the first 4 years that ending up dividing the nation and now its going to take a Bit More FORCE to move the Agenda along ….. Ha Ha ha Ha get ready folks … you ain’t seen nothing yet !!!

      • eddie47d

        Romney has always been a Global Elitist and didn’t need any training in joining the club. Obama is still a rookie in joining those boys in their world conquests.

        • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

          Oh Bull SHUT Eddie47d Obamas CZARS HE PICKED are all part of the Global Players Club engineering the Direction we are going in .

      • eddie47d

        That’s true too Tony!

  • Ron Bedell

    Interesting points but I am not sure if that is the real reason why Romney lost. For example, I am a Ronald Reagan Republican and there is no way I could have voted for Romney. In fact, I voted for a third party candidate. I think Romney lost because he was a bad candidate. In spite of all the rhetoric coming from the Romney campaign and GOP Romney is still a big government socialist and Internationalist. Does anybody remember all the corruption at the Republican National Convention in Tampa? That kind of corruption did not exist back in 1980. The Republicans were very united back then. I know because I worked in Reagan’s campaign. I think the GOP is losing their members and they are self destructing. The Republican Party is just not running good candidates who obey the constitution. And Romney was a horrible candidate. So in this election the American voters were faced with a choice. Shall we replace one liberal with another? I think many from the GOP conservative base either stayed home or supported a third party candidate while the Democratic base came out in force for Barry.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      Great comment Ron….if you can’t vote FOR somebody instead of just AGAINST Obama then the party has lost it’s way.

  • sam elson

    Your all wet Wayne ! Your predictions were right it was simply FIXED electronically ! Our vote was “flopped” in areas of the country by computer. This Election was a FRAUD and the more people like you blame the campaign instead of the real issue, the FRAUD, the farther away they get. GET REAL ! DEMAND A RECOUNT and INVESTIGATION ! To vote at all now is a JOKE.

    • Nanette

      We need to continue to contact our representiative until they do investigate tha MASSIVE FRAUD that gave Obama 4 more years.

    • Doc Sarvis

      I heard of a few unconfirmed accounts of voting machines malfunctioning and registering the vote incorrectly for both sides. So that is a wash. Outside of the GOP’s efforts to disenfranchise voters in several states I don’t know of other confirmed cases of large scale fraud. Please provide evidence of your claim.

    • Daveh234

      Your the joke Sam, Voter fraud is an unfounded, unfactual delusion. Too little if it happened to cause a turn pver of such proportions.
      Get real.

    • http://twitter.com/ajaxada Anthony Jackson (@ajaxada)

      Romney lost by 3.4 million votes. President Obama won 332 Electoral votes, Do you think that many people committeed voter fraud. I only heard of voter fraud from the republican party. I even saw where Romney’s son was part owner of the makers of the voting machines in Ohio…. Wake up;;; Everyone does not think like you or people in your conversation parties. You can’t go around insulting people and expect for them to come out and vote for you. Experts has shown that most of the “takers” belong in the Red states which went to Romney. You voted along with them. What does that say about you?

  • Theresa Mullen

    What went wrong is Romney ignored the social conservatives and they stayed home. He did not take a stand on any social issues – a strong stand. Until we find a conservative that believes in the three pronged stand – social, fiscal and defense – we will continue to loose elections. That person needs to convey those prongs with his/her heart and soul.

  • Keen Eye

    Come on Wayne. As a former Libertarian, you still do not understand that there is a notable faction of would-be Republicans who will always refuse to vote for a bloated, over-sized government. Romney did everything in his power to suppress these people.

    Yes – I could have stomached most of Romney’s campaign. In the past, I have voted Republican more than anything else. But there was one major factor that prevented me from helping the Republican Presidential candidate this year,

    The deal breaker was his refusal to produce a viable plan to shrink our bloated government, especially with his support of a preemptive international offense that would bankrupt our defense.

    Among three would-be Republican voters who I personally know, one voted for Obama, one voted for Gary Johnson, and one skipped that row the ballot. Every one of these votes would have gone to Romney if he was closer to the Constitution than he was to the Democrats.

  • Bernice

    what happened? He got busted is what happened. We don’t need a president who only favors the 1%.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Correct Bernice. How the GOP expected to win a national election with a candidate and platform that only benefits the very top while sticking it to the masses is beyond me.

  • Walter Links

    Mr.Root,
    I couldn’t agree with you more! The night of the second and third residental Debate’s was s frustrating for me, as wel as many other American’s. When Romney did not force the issue of Benghazi, “I lost it!” How in the world did the President know that Mrs.Crowley had the transcripta of the President’s response to that event? Mitt Romney should have taken control. That’s when I realized he had lost the election. NOr did he focus in on the economy as he should have.
    I beleive that the RNC is responsibe for this because they did to mitt the same as Sara Palin! The RNC didn’t allow these canidates to be themselves.
    I’m very independent and conserveative, and this is all apaling to me.
    My big fear it that our Legislature body will look at having the man as President for Life and I venture to say that if an election were held within the next three years, the citizen’s of this country would over-whelming vote for such a move!

  • janet

    This ‘over 65, white, conservative, Christian, motorcycle riding, Southern living, female nurse of 47 years voted for Obama. I trust Obama, I think he’s got a heart for the people and my only fault is that he’s been bending over backwards trying to ‘compromise’ with the disrepectful, racist bunch that call themselves Republicans. I voted for W in 2000 and that was the last. Between the illegal and wasteful wars, the Koch brother sponsored ‘tea party’ and the vicious mean rhetoric, the out and out lies, (which came back to bite them all by making them think they were going to win this election), I doubt I’ll ever vote for them again. The Republican platform has fallen in the swamp with Limbaugh, Beck, Coulter and all the Fox News evil lying bunch and unfortunately they’ve taken a lot of well meaning folks who believe them along.

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Janet,

      I’m an ‘over 70′ guy and I think I’m falling in love with you (don’t tell my wife). But if you tell me you also like to fish, I just might leave her and look you up. LOL

      Seriously, you have said it as well as anyone could. Thank you.

      • janet

        Don’t throw the old lady over too soon. I do like to fish, especially fly fishing for browns. I do, however have a bunch of grandkids that come with this package.

    • Theresa Mullen

      LOL

      • Sailor

        Aw Theresa I am touched…

    • renee tanner

      Brava!!!

    • Warrior

      Ah, you’re none of the above however you do support blacks voting 95+% for the black every time. Who’s racist again?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Who’s racist, you ask? How about those white people in states like AL, MS, SC (and the rest of the old CSA) who voted so overwhelmingly for McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012, and mostly just because those two candidates weren’t black and Obama was?. Jimmy Carter is from GA and he figured it out, why can’t you?

        Those white people also switched from Democrat to Republican in response to Nixon’s “southern strategy”. Just as blacks switched from Republican to Democrat in turn once they saw that Lincoln’s party had thrown him out.

        Did it ever occur to you that blacks are plenty smart enough to vote for the candidate and the party that best represent their interests, unlike some white folks on the right that vote for the party of the rich that abuses them? It doesn’t hurt that O’Bama is black, of course—some folks will always vote for the guy who looks like them—-that’s particularly true in the red states.

        By the way, that O’Bama is not a typo. New information has come to light that O’Bama is one of those “black Irishmen” people talk about rather than a Kenyan. So—I’ve changed the spelling of his name to reflect that. Goes well with the “Barry” that the ignorant and disrespectful often call him. Barry O’Bama—nice ring to that! And much more AMERICAN sounding for a person who is the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA—the AMERICA that is trying to come together in spite of @*&$!**% like you getting in the way.

      • Warrior

        Some “amazing” insights you hold comrade. Now the election is over, do bloggers like you and all the newcomers to this site in the past week have to put in extra time to earn the same wage?

      • janet

        I guess the truth must be too hard for you to swallow. Racist. I dunno. I don’t vote for anyone because they’re black, brown or whatever. I don’t not vote for them for that reason either. If that’s racist then I guess that’s me. I got a whole lot of friends just like me who couldn’t wait to vote for the half black fellow who’s been swimming upstream against that racist bunch in congress for the past four…at least he acts like he cares about the ‘Real America’…the one that’s always changing.

    • Karolyn

      Wow Janet! Great to hear from a poster of your position on this site. A rare occurrence indeed!

      • janet

        It’s good to know there’s some good ol’ American white folks out there that don’t just drink the Fox news kool aid.

  • http://whatwentwrong; betty

    what went wrong; brainwash; voter fraud; media; and i predicted also obama; only because ins and imagradtion; hi o hitler; read the book how he became power; it is being followed be the tee; included that book about stalin; and then u have the give me state; how do u think hitler got in;

    • http://twitter.com/ajaxada Anthony Jackson (@ajaxada)

      Betty,
      I can quickly tell who you voted for based on your grammar……

  • phil

    let’s be real, we thought all the tricks were going to hold down the dem votes and we were certainly gonna be able to steal this election…

  • M R

    The majority of you have made a huge mistake in re-electing Obama. You will find that out soon. Actually starting in the new year. Your obsession over this man is laughable. You don’t see that yet but you will and you will all be eating your words and feel like idiots. You deserve what is coming. I feel bad for the smart ones that didn’t vote for Obama. If you thought the economy is bad you are in for a h**l of an eye opener the next 4 years. You maybe one of the millions to come who will be losing their jobs, homes & other possessions. But of course there is the farce of food stamps, free cell phones that every American that is working is paying for. You think the wealthy are going to pay more in taxes? No as it will be the middle classes and the people that are struggling month to month right now. You are in for more violence within the US & with pacifying the Middle East & apologizing for what the Middle East has done when they kill Americans, there are going to more terrorist acts as they know that Obama is a very weak leader. Americans will continue to be killed protecting the US & what is the current government going to do? Nothing. Americans need to take control of their country & fight back against the government instead of sitting back & letting the US sink more in its big hole that it is in right now. Obama’s solution about money, make more. That fixes absolutely nothing. The government is a joke but you voted it back in for another 4 years so you have to suffer the consequences for your poor judgement. What makes it worse is the US economy affects all countries globally. The US maybe losing friends/allies over this. Good luck! You will need it!

    • http://twitter.com/ajaxada Anthony Jackson (@ajaxada)

      Actually MR
      We corrected the mistake you almost made. One day you will be thankful.

    • http://twitter.com/ajaxada Anthony Jackson (@ajaxada)

      Both Hannity and Limbaugh should be happy to have you on their show. They spread just as much fear and lies as you do. It will be like 3 jelly beans in a jar… Huk! Huk!

  • http://www.massoutrage.com MassOutrage

    I wish Mr. Root was a little less sure of himself and a little more humble. He still “has no doubt”. I doubt it.

  • http://williamsoncontracting.wordpress.com timothywilliamson

    Let me give you a visual so you can see why Romney lost. The answer is simple, and it doesn’t require an understanding of group dynamics and differential equations to get it either.

    Do you remember the election night rallies of both candidates? The images were broadcast for the entire world to see. What did you see?

    A very quick analysis can easily prove that there were not three million cases of voter fraud around the country. That is not to say that voter fraud did not occur, but only that it is a minor problem for both parties, not just one party. So voter fraud would be a statistical anomaly evened out by fraud on both sides.

    Was Romney not ‘conservative’ enough? Did the party dabble to much in social issues? Or, did the party simply begin to believe it’s own hype, it’s own internal numbers and analyses, without considering opposing views while denigrating those with those views rather than listening? What was it if not these things?

    Remember election night? Remember those rallies? Tell me what you saw when you watched the images of the two rallies.

    The answer is there for you to see and understand.

    • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

      with the Obama Hate the Rich divide and Conquer Campaign Romney was the perfect candidate to beat ….. HUM theater ???

  • Kathy M.

    I agree with almost everything you said….except for the hotbed issue of abortion. I don’t believe the GOP should compromise core beliefs on the sanctity of life. I do believe we should leave some social issues up to states. Also if we educated people on the sheer numbers of abortions. In light of the ease of birth control why are so many abortions performed each year? It appears to me abortion may be a major type of birth control. And if I am truthful with myself and you—-a large part of me still can’t believe Romney lost the election. In light of the findings about 0 votes for him in 59 Philadelphia precincts I’m not so sure Obama didn’t win fairly and squarely. Bottom line, though—-we screwed. I honestly think we’ve passed the tipping point and we’re outnumbered by those who don’t want a job-who only want government freebies. How stupid they are—-surely they know on some level it can’t last forever.

    • http://twitter.com/ajaxada Anthony Jackson (@ajaxada)

      Kathy, there were small districts with where most had less than 300 voters. There were just as many small districts that voted 100% for Romney. Everyone does not watch Fox or listen to Limbaugh. Those are hate channels and I recommend that you verify everything you hear from them. They lets you know before that they are an opinion channel, This means… they don’t have to tell you the truth. In this day of automation, you can do verify most of their lies or hate within minutes. Romney lied consistently. Like him or not, Obama was consistent… You chose the one you wanted… Then again, Romney said from the beginning that he was not running his campaign based on facts…. The rest of America chose theirs.. 3.4 million is bigger than both of Bush’s elections. The election is over, Lets move on and hold our election officials accountable for moving this country forward…

  • Dave67

    The answer is simple. romney was a horrible candidate, lying and flip-flopping his way through the campiagn and came across as angry and phoney. You know Romney is a loser when he can’t even provide details about how his numbers work.

    People like Wayne got it wrong because like alot of conservatives, they refuse to accept facts and math as well as reality.

    The GOP lost because the ran on extremism and exclusion with a tinge of racism thrown in for good measure. They alienated minorities, women, homosexuals andthe reality is, if they keep on the track they are currently on, they will continue to lose national elections.

    Deal with that reality conservatives.

    • janet

      Amen

  • Marc

    I hope that Willard Mitt,the coward,Romny and fellow Republicans are enjoying FOOT for breakfast, FOOT for lunch, and can’t leave out FOOT for supper. BON APPETIT, WITH MY BLESSINGS!

  • Deerinwater

    ” Mr. Root says; “My prediction was based on a combination of scientific evidence and common sense.”

    Well Gee Whizz Mr. Root, Where did you acquire this evidence? Cross Roads and Karl Rove ?. ~ and so you call that “common sense”?

    That you and so many others of the extreme right has discounted any and all information that has not presented a picture that you wish to see is not what I would call “Common Sense”.

    This disrespect and otter disdain for your opposition has lead you to employ faulty reasoning and even now you still refuse to accept it, wanting to blame this failure on anything but self. ~ They want stuff! ~ ?? Well? Everybody wants “STUFF!” The middle class feels trapped between the rich and the poor.

    Maybe you should crawl down out of that Ivory Tower and get a better look at what is happening across America today? You might find the answer that you are looking for.

    The American people have not forgot the long road that has taken us to where we are today and see the activities of the Mitt Romney’s of the world of selling America down river for personal gain.

    It’s not my intentions to attack you Sir. , but your lacking to understand, is a problem that only you can do anything about, ~ you can’t be helped if you refuse to listen and your denial is seen as a course study and something to excel at.

  • Alan

    According to Bible prophecy it didn’t make sense Romney would win. Remember, God has a timeline and the only way to know it is by watching Israel. The Bible says Israel will stand alone in the last days so the USA needs a leader who will leave Israel which Obama is doing. God puts in leaders and removes them. With the wickedness of homosexuality and abortion in the USA, if we aren’t judged by God He will have to apologize to Sodom and Gommorah and we know that won’t happen. I voted for Romney hoping he’d get in which would have slowed or postponed for a while the burdens Obama are causing to upon us. If you’re interested in knowing more check out Bible prophecy.

    • Sailor

      Watch it Alan, libs may be confused with your point for they only bow to a monkey with a gun

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjmFm8PIz8M&feature=related

    • Karolyn

      Your rationale only stands for Christians. How about the beliefs of all others? You know, you could be wrong. Ever think about that? No. God forbid you should ever consider anything other than what is in the Bible. I used to be that way. I thought I would go to hell for even reading stuff that was contrary to what the Bible teaches. thank goodness I started looking at things in a new light and got a different perspective of the Bible, as well as reading different interpretations of what was written.

  • rendarsmith

    The reason Mitt Romney lost is because he’s MITT ROMNEY! He is NOT a conservative! He’s as pro-big government as Obama! It was voting for Obama or Obama-lite. The GOP was so busy trying to swing liberal voters away from the democrats (and failing to do so), they abandoned and drove away the conservatives. So many conservatives didn’t even vote because they are sick of voting for two socialists and having to pick which one they hate less.

    As always, just making excuses…”we need the black vote”…”we need the hispanic vote!” Now the GOP is trying to pander and placate also and they are NOT going to outdo the democrats at that. But what they did do is frustrate the true conservatives (the TEA partiers and Libertarians) and lose their votes. With any luck the current GOP will be history and replaced with something better, but we’ve seen the intelligence of the American people (thanks to our public school system) so I’m not holding my breath….

  • Pat

    I’m not a GOP card holder . Your totally wrong about Ryan or anyone else compromising their moral beliefs . If the GOP doesn’t have room for us Christians with our die hard moral beliefs we can form our own party . The problem is we didn’t and don’t stand a chance as the moral minority . We are dealing with a lost and spiritually bankrupt majority . If candidates start compromising their moral beliefs then where will it end ? I’ll tell you it will end with the GOP looking more like the Democratic Party . Our moral guidance comes from this book called the Bible and it tells us not to lie just as the murder of unborn children is wrong . Compromising morals just to get elected will lose the GOP the Christian vote . Just saying your pro life and not addressing the full context of what that means is playing politician . ” you can please some of the people some of the time , but you can’t please all of the people all of the time ” ! They need to stop worrying about pandering to everyone and stick to the morals of a large percentage of their constituency ! Be honest and forth right and upstanding or they turn into their opposition ! Then they lose a large percentage of their base . We need to be doing the work of the Christian and taking the word of God to a lost and dieting world . Convert the immoral majority back into the moral majority once again . We should all be pressing our represtatives to push congress to hold this adminstarations feet to the fire for running guns to the Muslim Brotherhood and leaving men to die as they watch it go down in real time . Obama has destabilized the Middle East by turning over power to the Brotherhood and giving guns to them and al quiada . Now Israel is at war with Hamas and Egypt with the Muslim Brotherhood in power is joining in the fray ! The Middle East is heating back up and much more of the world will be drawed into it ! He started running guns and went into Libya without the approval of congress ! It’s time him and Biden and all their Muslim Brotherhood cronies are impeached and locked away for their criminal activities !! Get ready America we are facing the end of of the USA we all grew up in and knew . God bless and stick to your morals and don’t water them down for anyone or group !

    • eddie47d

      I love Christians but when it comes down to hating Muslims in order to be a good Christian I lose respect for those who believe that.

      • http://twitter.com/ajaxada Anthony Jackson (@ajaxada)

        I agree Eddie. I was raised Christian, but I respect every religion. While in the military for over 22 years, I had a chance to meet people of many different religions. I had a few occasions where we respectfully discussed the beliefs of our religions. Other than the extremists on all sides, I discovered we have many of the same beliefs. We believe there is a higher power. Many have the same God. We have similar moral values. Muslims believe in Christ although they believe he is a prophet, similar to Muhammad. I may not agree but they are entitled to their belief. Either way, except for the extremists views, I find more similarities than differences. What I am getting at is I now see why there is separation of church and state. Those values are taught in our churches or similar structures or in our communities.
        I believe lessons from our bible or religious backgrounds should still be taught in school, but I believe there should be guidelines. I think that is worth fighting for.
        I believe if Conservatives would see things from a broad perspective, they would fare better in future elections.
        Believe it or no, I am a conservative, hard working democrat who believes in hard work. The majority of democrats I know are very similar.
        Republicans need to look at themselves and stop thinking they are the “moral” party and become an inclusive party that avoid insulting people while expecting votes.

        • bob666

          Amen Athonny!

      • eddie47d

        Agreed.

      • janet

        I’m with you there.

  • William

    This country has been taken over by an off shore corporate banking cartel aka Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Bank of America and the big one also of the same WALL STREET! Its not hidden look around the world and its hitting you right in the face every single day ! What this election succeeded to do was redirect this countries attention on the puppets not the puppet masters ! Don’t believe what I am saying just look into what I am saying yourself ! Its all out there hidden in plain sight and they are “banking” on you and I not looking for it and getting a good laugh at our expense ! They are coming at us in so many ways it makes it hard to pinpoint any 1 thing without having to entertain another angle and then that leads to something else ! No matter how you look at it we are being duped and the only way to stop this runaway train is by derailing it or we will end up like Greece but only worse ! There are over 300 MILLION people in the USA being told what to do by a handful and doing little to nothing about it but complaining about it OR worse yet worrying more about their favorite sports team or who Kim Kardashian is sleeping with ! There is a BIG picture here but how many people are looking at it ?

  • Debi

    I see no one wants to talk about the GIANT elephant sitting in the middle of the room. Reports have shown that approximatley 90% of blacks and 80% of hispanics voted for Obama. They didn’t care about the economy, the wars, the lies, the coverups or anything else. They weren’t even worried about the “flexibility” he will now have with Soviet Putin. They voted skin color…AGAIN. You can call it anything you’d like, but that’s the bottom line. And if Obama wants a third term, it won’t matter if we are in a worse depression than we were in the 20′s, under martial law or sharia law..they will vote for him to have a third term, because of course, like everything else since he took office..the rules of term limits won’t apply to HIM!

    • William

      EXACTLY! I only mentioned a few and you mentioned a few more glaring angles that we are getting hit with all at the same time ! The question is whats next besides the obvious ?

    • Dave67

      No Debi,

      The middle class, women, blacks, hispanics knew who would give them a better chance to be sucessful and it wasn’t bankster loving Tricky Mitt.

  • wsk

    Enough of the navel gazing. We lost because there are more takers, parasites, leeches, mooches and lazy in Amerika than there are producers and Patriots. Welcome to the new normal.

    • mark

      No, you lost because all you believe in is hate and fear. And the American people, Thank God, rejected this.

    • deerinwater

      That is quite an indictment against your fellow Americans, you clearly much harbor dark thoughts toward them. ~

      That Mitt Romney was never a worthy candidate seems to elude you. It was the GOP’s to lose or win and with all their money and all the decisions that they made, ~ they did lose.

      Mitt makes the claim in his defense yesterday, “They wanted stuff” ~ while I would call “Zero Capital Gains Tax” as “STUFF” and the wealthy of our nation wanted this “stuff” that he was offering them.

      However, this sort of “stuff” does not appeal to enough Americans to win an election.

      So Obama’s victory was not about offering “stuff” as both candidates offered it , ~ but what kind of “stuff”

      While we see that the wealthy have plenty of “stuff” and harder to please with any offering yet each having only a single vote and their numbers small.

      This numerical fact requires the more affluent to spend money on propaganda and disinformation to entice the less affluent to vote against their own self interest, making a Jerry Springer side show of politics to appeal to the most basic human emotions, where it’s God, or killing babies or hungry people stealing bread crumbs or helping the sick that is seen as undeserving.

      In this effort, they have failed, ~ this time, ~ by picking the wrong Candidate that could not rally the masses with his message, regardless how often he changed it.

      It’s really not complicate, fewer American voted with their pocket book and were put off by Romney pertinacious demure.

      Too many Americans suffer and struggle today to view and listen to such a peacock as Mitt Romney.

      And you are correct, for now ~ the “Have Mores” has lost top leadership positions.

  • Debi

    Exactly!

  • Bloui

    The GOP still doesn’t GET IT! Are they really so out of touch with mainstream AVERAGE Americans that they can comprehend the fact that all that ‘hate talk’, derogatory insults against minorities such as Latinos, especially and always African-Americans, women, gays and even some fellow western religionERS who didn’t fall in lock stock and barrel and agree with GOP philosophy is what turned Americans away? Even white Americans, and fellow Republicans became turned off by all the hate, insults and personal attacks against individuals of a different race, class and economic status. You failed to understand just how racially, class and economically ‘blended’ America has become. When the GOP went on and on insulting African-Americans, Latinos etc. they couldn’t grasp the reality that they were pis*sing off those African-Americans, Latinos white, moderate Republican blood kinfolk, or that woman who’d been forced to make the tragic decision to have an abortion after being brutally raped, or that single mom who has no choice but to work outside the home, or that family who once turned their back on their gay son or lesbian daughter now embrace them and their partner with all the love that Jesus you all like to quite taught them. You exploited and used Abraham Lincoln and Jesus Christ as a platform and your character trait, but your actions came across more as devlish and Machiavellian, “Divide the masses so you can control them. Separate them and you conquer them and will forever rule them.” The American people didn’t fall for it. All the GOP accomplished was they re-awaken those extreme racist hate groups, which in today’s America are but a small fraction of the true faceS of America today. Neither Abraham Lincoln nor Jesus Christ would have anything in common with today’s GOP principles. In fact, they both would have been your enemies. Someone you’d attack and seek to destroy all over again. Good Day, God Bless and MAY God TRULY BLESS AND HEALED THIS NATION. Even First Lady Barbara Bush Sr. mentioned her concerns about how bitter campaigning had turned and she’d “be glad when it was all over.”

    • janet

      I agree

  • Nanette

    Romney really won, but was cheated out of a victory through the MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD of Obama and his cronies.

    • Jeff

      You just keep believing that, Nanette. And in the Easter Bunny, Santa, and the power of magic underwear.

      • nickkin

        You keep believing Jeff in the allah bunny and maybe a few of the 72 virgins that will be available for you anti-americans. your holidays will be of another manner and your knee saving carpets will be a carpet of nails.

        • Jeff

          “You keep believing Jeff in the allah bunny and maybe a few of the 72 virgins that will be available for you anti-americans. your holidays will be of another manner and your knee saving carpets will be a carpet of nails.”

          Really? 72 virgins? You think only anti-American suicide bombers disagree with you? I’ve got news for you. All sane people disagree with you. You are just the flip side of the suicide bomber, just without the guts to do anything about the crazy stuff you believe.

    • Dave67

      Of course you have proof of your assertion right? Guess what? God wanted Obama over evil Tricky Mitt.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      You are sadly mistaken. People stayed home rather than vote for either.

  • John

    Keep fighting Wayne but count me out of the fight I need to concentrate on survival, no one has called Obama on his plan to destroy the US because it is politically incorrect well now we pay the price for our free and pretentious society that loves a rock star and fantasizes about being bonded to him … THAT my friend is why Romney lost. The numbers point to this as the cause … nothing else
    Freedom will self destruct … it has already started

  • MR Stone

    please tell me MR PRESI,you never mention anything about the people below middle class,hideing your thoughts?we know what Romney thought!

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      You knew what Romney would do as president?….that’s odd because I don’t remember hearing any specifics about what tax cuts he would make, what agencies he would cut, but I do recall him saying he’d spend 2 trillion more on the military than Obama. I do recall he wanted war with Iran so bad he could taste it when we are BROKE

      Rhetoric is empty when not backed up by a specific plan that would show the drastic cuts needed would be made…..Romney didn’t have that.

      He was exactly the same on foreign policy that has bankrupted this country as Obama but maybe a little more hawkish and a puppet of Netanbombyou to boot.

  • TLH

    Mr. Root,
    Have a lot of respect for you, but I think you are trying like most of the lame media to hide the truth. What went wrong is voter fraud on a country wide scale. I have friends who are from Cleavland who said that they know many more voted for Romney than were represented in the final count, and I think voters who did vote for Romney there must get together and form a class action suit against the electoral process to hold back the electors until there is a revote. Knowing that the machines can not be recounted because it was software driven, you have to hold the vote again. Mr. Root, you just don’t love your country and its people enough to speak the truth at all costs.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      I agree there had to be some voter fraud but we all know it’s the electoral college that actually picks the president and Romney lost there because there was not enough difference between him and Obama. If we want liberals might as well stay with the ones we
      have already.

      3 million people sat this out….Obama won by 1/3 of voters because you ran such a lame candidate

    • renee tanner

      Wah,wah, wah…voter fraud indeed!! Who owned the machines in Ohio?? Tagg Romney. Sort of a conflict in interest don’t you think?? If there was voter fraud you can rest assured it came from the right and it didn’t work. Folks have gotten pretty hip to the slights of hands. If any one tried to Buy the election, it was Willard. Remember what the bible says…No weapon formed against me shall prosper. Guess the repubs finally ran out of cheating ideas. They lost..period.

      • janet

        Yes, and wherever the Repubs tried to prove voter fraud agains the Dems they got caught in the act themselves.

  • sesame

    Wayne, no excuses. Just go away and find another line of work. Where was the big turnout of Evangelicals? Who did they vote for? You made one major mistake. You failed to evaluate Romney the candidate – a man on every side of every issue – an therefore untrustworthy.

  • mark

    What went wrong, Wayne Allyn Root, with your and all the other right-wing, Libertarian predictions of a righteous Romney landslide? (Did you see Glenn Beck crying on the set the next day?) The problem is that all you guys (and many on this site), live an right-wing combination bubble and echo-chamber, in which you all tell one another the same old, paranoid, over-the-top nonsense day after day. Talk radio, scores of extremist blogs, Fox Noise, etc all complete this cacophony of cuckoo-clock fear and loathing that convinces you that you have a monopoly on the truth, and represent the vast majority of the American people. The reality is that most of your views are irrelevant and based on highly exaggerated, nonsensical, often racist, fantasies about an America that never was. The truth is that you are a minority who, Thank God, exercises little power in our society except for the typical barroom grousing and swearing at the television set. You are out-of-touch and frustrated cranks who, nonetheless. feel empowered by your posted and call-in rantings against the Kenyan, socialist, Muslim traitor. Increasingly, your whole movement reminds me of the drunken, homeless guy in the street cursing and yelling at everyone who just go about their productive lives and completely ignore him.

    • eddie47d

      You got that right Mark! Maybe they will sober up for the next election and leave the sharp drunken rhetoric at home.

      • mark

        Thanks, eddie. I have long admired your rationality and intelligent commentary on this site. It is a rarity but very refreshing.

  • Barbara Karen

    The election of a president needs to be revisited. All voters in order to cast their vote must be required to show legitimate photo identification before being handed a PAPER BALLOT! No machine voting! If it takes ALL NIGHT to count the ballots, at least a recount can be done! Malfunctioning machines must fade into distant memory. Sell them to those who recycle the material into bicycles or lawn furniture. Surely I’m not the only citizen who thinks this old method of running an election should be the only method allowed for such an important national event. Are my fellow citizens with me on this?
    Restore our republic!!!!
    Barbara K.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      We all need to exert pressure on the local and state levels to get the election process reformed. Good job Barbara….that’s one thing that HAS TO BE FIXED

  • Rafael

    I believe that they vote for President Obama because people accepted the rhetoric socialist fallacies of given things for “free”. The fiscal cliff is approaching…..

  • chris Droz

    Wayne-you were right, except:

    An open letter to John Boehner.
    Congressman John Boehner :

    Romney and Ryan won the election, except for the lying, vote manipulation and deceit of the Obama administration.

    This election was stolen from America by a corrupt administration (with the help of the main stream media), as you know all to well! The evidence is overwhelming to anyone who is paying attention!

    If Obama told the truth about Bain Capitol, The Auto Bailouts, The Real Osama Bin Laden story, The Real Benghazi story, The Real way he thinks about drilling for Petro fuels, The Real Fast and Furious story, What his real goals are, it would have been a landslide for Romney. Even with all the lies, the vote was about 50/50.

    Also over the last 4 years he has been giving freebie to as many persons as possible, 15 million more food stamp recipients, 25% increase in disability claims, $300 Billion more in welfare (now over a Trillion a year, that’s $60K per recipient!!), 5 Billion worth of free cell phones, 99 weeks of unemployment checks for free, and he did it all with our money-mine and yours (some of it with your help!!) , so he could stay in power and ruin the American Spirit—I am the American Spirit and I’m depressed!!!.
    To fix this “problem” of paying for all those freebies, Obama says he needs more money from the rich (America’s job makers, America’s worker bee’s-nobody ever got a job from a poor man). They now pay the majority of taxes !!
    Obama wants to raise taxes, I say OK, let raise taxes on the 50% who don’t pay taxes. I know you took a pledge not to raise taxes, but consider this. Everyone should pay a minimum tax of 10%. If you have no skin in the game, you don’t pay attention to how our treasure is being spent. I say instead of taxing the “America’s worker bee’s”, tax the freeloaders.

    When we have a Sandy or Katrina, have the welfare people go clean up the mess (a lot of which was caused by them). There’s over a 120 Million people taking but not giving-who do you think there going to vote for—the giver (Obama).
    History is going to show that Obama did more to destroy this country than all the wars we’ve been thru. You asked for leadership from him (are you kidding?). We the American people that “won” the election, ask leadership from you. Your our firewall from Hell (the Obama Administration). Please start doing the right things for this country. Don’t fund Obama Care, shine light on Benghazi and Fast and Furious, reduce government dependence of it’s citizens, and make sure every American has some skin in the game!
    The majority of Americans are praying for your success, NOT Obama’s.
    Make your legacy one you will be proud of.
    A Concerned American Citizen

    PS-My advise to you is to assume everything Obama (and his administration) says to you is a lie.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      Romney almost ran Bain into the ground then held the FDIC’s feet to the fire to accept .25 on the dollar settlement or he threatened to pay off assets as bonuses and leave his creditors and the FDIC twisting in the wind. 10,000,000 bailout. If you call that a good businessman then you have no scruples

      Matt Taibbi did an article on him that dispels these fantasies about Romney. Google it.

    • eddie47d

      You have been deceived Chris. Was it Romney’s over active chameleon smile that charmed you?

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Let’s hope BONER listens to you. With your help and the help of folks like you, he will continue to go down the path that will lead to the destruction of the Party of NO. The sooner that happens, the sooner the REAL AMERICANS and the PATRIOTS can start putting the country back together. While O’Bama is carefully laying out his plan for avoiding the fiscal cliff, BONER is still spouting the same idiocy that lost the election for the Repugnants.

      And in case you think using BONER is showing disrespect as so many do on this site, be aware that it is actually an homage to that great president George W Bush, who called Boehner exactly that. He had a thing about coming up with cutesie nicknames for folks—remember “Great Job, Brownie”? Thank God, O’Bama has more brains and dignity than to call his Secretary of State “Hil”.

      And the use of “Repugnants” is not meant to be disrespectful either. Any party that is trying to turn our republic into a corporate feudal (fascist) state doesn’t deserve to call it self “republican” and really IS “repugnant”. That’s just truth.

    • janet

      Boo Hoo…to the corner. your ignorance is showing…big time…or do you just make this stuff up. One example, no patience for more: ‘free phones’:Where do “Obama phones” come from? | WashingtonExaminer.comwashingtonexaminer.com/where-do…phones…/2509203
      Now…show me some facts. Of course you have none, only the blogs, forums and your Fox news creeps that keep pounding out all this miss information over and over until people like you start believing it.

      facts…facts please. And yes, I do use those pesky fact checkers.

    • janet

      Oh, and Chris…in case you don’t care to look up that pesky little bit of info on the phones let me tell you that it was a part of a program passed by congress in 1984 and initiated in 1985. Do you remember who the president was then…?? “5 BILLION in free phones”…you are waayyy too far out there. Have you talked to your Doc about some meds?…Oh wait, that might be pre existing illness and you might want to wait awhile until your insurance can’t drop you for it.

      • bob666

        Chris is like a gift from God when it come to Humor, it’s just to easy!

  • Caroline

    Wayne, you mention that Romney should have chosen Marco Rubio as VP. Even though he may have been a great candidate for the job, doesn’t anyone know what the requirements are to become president (and a VP can become president)? They must be a “natural born citizen.” That means that their parents must have been citizens when they were born in the USA. Even though Rubio was born in the USA, he is not a natural born citizen because his parents were not citizens when he was born.

    Neither was Obama for that matter. Obama’s father was a foreign exchange student from Kenya. Whether or not Obama was born in the USA doesn’t matter — his father was not a citizen so twice the people have been duped into voting for someone who isn’t eligible for the job (or qualified for that matter)!

    • http://personallibertydigest deb

      And to Carolyn, while Obomination is not and cannot ever be a natural born citizen while he maintains a Kenyan is his father, which is also being contested by theory he was illegitimately fathered by a communist, I believe Rubio’s parents were citizens if not when he was born at least as soon as it is physically possible whereas a birth is in nine months.

      • Caroline

        Yes, Rubio’s parents did become citizens, whereas Obama’s father did not. However this does not negate the fact that prior citizenship of parents is required!

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      As to that is Romney even natural born? George Romney born in Mexico was never naturalized, I could never find any proof of that and that’s one reason he lost his race for president.

      • Caroline

        “Romney was born to American parents living in the Mormon colonies in Mexico; events during the Mexican Revolution forced his family to flee back to the United States when he was a child.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Romney As such, Romney’s parents were US citizens so Mitt was a US Citizen by birth.

      • Freedomlover

        Can you tell the past of Obama instead of Romney.

        • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

          Yes, of course. Obama’s past has been very well known for over 4 years. There are just a small group of fanatics that keep saying that we don’t know anything about Obama, despite all of the documentation.

          As far as I’m concerned, those people are insane, if not certifiable. And now they are talking about overthrowing our Government because things didn’t go the way they wanted them to go in this latest election (I say the “latest” election because their viewpoint have been voted down for years. Their viewpoints are just to radical to be viable).

    • John

      “No person except a natural born Citizen, OR a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

      - US Constitution

      Therefore, anyone born in the US (regardless of parental status – this applied to our earliest POTUS) qualifies as well as born outside the US IF their parents are both citizens. Rubio and Obama qualify.

      BTW, this was written into the Constitution deliberately in an attempt to prevent Alexander Hamilton from running for President.

      “The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term “natural born” citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship “by birth” or “at birth”, either by being born “in” the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship “at birth”.”

      - Congressional Research Service

      • http://twitter.com/ajaxada Anthony Jackson (@ajaxada)

        I doubt very seriously if Caroline will dare read your statement. Even if she does, I will assume she will pretend that it never happened…….SMH

      • janet

        I doubt Caroline will read it or respond either. She’s too busy throwing whatever claim she’s heard somewhere and, like so many, she doesn’t have a clue.

        This nonsense could make a person crazy if you let it.

        Like Hillary or McCain (who was born in Panama) didn’t have the resources to vet Obama from the begining. really.

    • renee tanner

      His Mother was a citizen.

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        The point is that it doesn’t matter who his parents were. They could have been beamed down from another planet. As long as he was born here he is a natural born citizen.

    • bob666

      “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

  • Elda

    When a people TRULY hold God in their hearts and would lie for no man, only then will things like elections be fair and honest. Gut there are so many out there that either lie about believing in God or simply do not believe He is real and they will lie to get what ever they want. That is just what the religion of Islam believes and look what it has gotten them. Until this country turns back to God we keep falling into darkness until the “Light” returns and then there are going to be a lot of people with some “splanin to do”. This country is about to get not what it wants but what it deserves.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      AMEN

    • http://twitter.com/ajaxada Anthony Jackson (@ajaxada)

      And what exactly is that Elda. One thing I respect about President Obama is that in the midst of all the hate He keeps his head held high and continue to go to work for the American People, That’s the heart of an American and a true patriot..

      • Clara

        Amen, Elda! We are all God’s children Anthony Jackson! Brothers and sisters…He loves all of us equally. PLEASE CHECK OUT THE FOLLOWING WEBSITE, founded by a man who is very aware of what has happened to our nation. He even shares your last name, Anthony! Please view his EXODUS message on video at the following website:

        http://www.standamerica.us

      • Clara

        Anthony, please view ‘Exodus Now Press Conference: A Compelling Plea’. You will find it on the website I previously left for you:

        http:www.standamerica.us

  • Concerned Montanan

    I an tired of reading about why Romney lost; everything from his stupid campaign, to the fact that God has given Obama a mandate. The Republican party, including Tea Party affiliates, lost because the Democratic party instigated a massive program of lying, cheating and fraud. It is as simple as that. And if anyone out there is offended and does not feel that way, then I am not talking about you; you are not a true, mainstream liberal Democrat.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      speaking of LYING, CHEATING, & FRAUD what about the crap Romney pulled during the primaries on Ron Paul’s delegates…the RNC was a farce…changing the rules at the last minute….now that is what I call cheating.

      He deserved losing…and all those who accepted that kind of behavior did too. You have no right to talk about how dirty Obama is when you vote for a skunk like Romney

    • http://twitter.com/ajaxada Anthony Jackson (@ajaxada)

      Montanan, You are just an ignorant backwoods idiot. The hate and fear mongering continues through you..

  • patricio

    “My prediction was based on a combination of scientific evidence and common sense.”

    No, unfortunately, it wasn’t. It was based on misguided hopes, bias, and pipe dreams. If you had spent 10 minutes at the site below, at any point during the days, weeks and months prior to the election, you would have seen that it turned out EXACTLY as predicted by ACTUAL science, math and statistics.
    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

  • Louis Lemieux

    No doubts Ron Paul and Wayne Allyn Root are sincere when they speak but their Ideas would be devastating for America.The US is by far the most wealthy and the most powerful nation on earth. We produce 23% of the wealth in the world but make up 5% of world population. We have a preponderant role to play in keeping the world stable, our economy and that of other nations depend on it.

    Libertarians don’t believe in the FED. Who is going to give those newly printed dollars that have to increase as Gross Domestic Product increases and to whom are those new dollars going to be given to? Money is just a very workable and convenient substitute for everything else that is out there. If everything out there doubles as it does with time, we need double of dollars too. If more than double gets printed we get inflation. We cannot live today in the US with the same amount of dollars we had 20, 30 years ago.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      Totally clueless. The federal reserve got caught with their pants down when it was disclosed they lent 16 TRILLION dollars to foreign banks…you don’t know one thing about the fed do you?
      We need to kick those international bankers OUT OF THIS COUNTRY like Iceland did. They are recovering fine…but we are on our way down.
      Wayne was shilling for Romney….not Ron Paul.
      Have you ever bothered yourself to look up Ron Paul’s plan to restore America….the agencies he would cut? You don’t even know anything about him so don’t criticize. We can’t afford to be the WORLD POLICE anymore so Romney was no solution just like Obama isn’t.

      • Louis Lemieux

        Rhonda, thank you for telling us Mr. Root is not a Libertarian and preferring the FED let the USA fall in a Great Depression instead of a Great Recession.

  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLY FROM AUSTRALIA

    Romney did win..he did an excellent job at winning the Republican nomination, but was so worn out by the exausting process he had no more energy to continue in reverse style to win the true voters hearts. What he promised the Republican supporters to get the noimination was not what the rest of the population really wanted…thats one of the reasons he lost the Presidency. He and the Republican policies were upsetting all groups of people before the campaign really started…calling the illegal immigrants ALIENS from outer space maybe? or upsetting women by trying to force your religious views on what they should do with their bodies and then the agressive nature against china and the war effort could have been avoided, but he could not because he had to appease his republican supporters in the process…are some of the reasons why Romney lost Wayne and I agree with some of your other points….but why did you not mention these points to him before the fight was lost?

    • deerinwater

      Yea, he won ~ a ticket off stage, ~ I’d call it “Lost dogs and mixed Blessing” Ann surly won, I’m proud for her. Now the family can all rally for the Holiday season and be thankful for Gods many blessing.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      No that’s not it Gilly. Conservatives rejected him because he was too much like Obama. He’s a crook. He’s a liar. He said and I quote “corporations are people”
      No they are NOT
      Corporations are international and only out for the bottom line…just like Romney was at Bain.
      He was a flip flopping chickenhawk who never served in the military but wants war after war to feather the nests of his corporate buddies at the expense of the taxpayers blood and treasure.

      • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLY FROM AUSTRALIA

        Yes, I agree with your comment too.

  • http://personallibertydigest deb

    GOD’s immutable WILL was done and through it the American people have brought judgement upon us.

    And to Carolyn, while Obomination is not and cannot ever be a natural born citizen while he maintains a Kenyan is his father, which is also being contested by theory he was illegitimately fathered by a communist, I believe Rubio’s parents were citizens if not when he was born at least as soon as it is physically possible whereas a birth is in nine months.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      Doesn’t matter if it was 1 week later….rules are rules. I read it was 4 years after. I don’t trust Rubio anyway he’s a typical RINO

  • rayshelt

    Dear Mr. Root,

    What’s wrong with admitting that you were way off the mark? You are only human and prone to err. No one will fault you for making a mistake, provided you show a little humility by admitting your error. Instead, there is no sign of an apology for the cocksure way in which you predicted a landslide for Romney. All the while you were making your predictions, I couldn’t figure out whether you were deliberately overstating your case to “get out the republican vote” or whether you believed in your own predictions. Now I know.

    Your article today shows that you are still a legend in your own mind!

    And as for all the people in this discussion who are ranting about voter fraud and demanding a recount, I have one question: Where were you all in 2000? Why did you not scream for a recount in Florida where the margin was razor thin for Bush (I believe 554 votes or thereabouts)? Double standards may be????

    The most absurd part in Mr Root’s analysis comes toward the end, and I quote,”But if Romney had picked Rubio as his VP, and GOP Senate candidates Todd Akins and Richard Mourdock had never tried to tackle abortion and rape, I have no doubt my prediction would have been on the money.”

    That’s as silly as saying, “If 3 of our hitters had hit home runs, our team would have won and my prediction would have been correct!”

    Its far easier to say, I was wrong and leave it at that. If you do that, you might still have some credibility left the next time you make a prediction. But it doesn’t look like you are capable of saying you are wrong. Such a shame.

    Lastly, your analysis was not scientific despite your claims to the contrary. Nate Silver’s was. And to think that he was derided by all the right wing pundits, not one of whom has apologized to him nor given him credit for being right.

    A rather nice bunch I daresay!

    Cheers,
    Ray

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      Gore won the popular vote….Bush got the most electoral votes. That’s why this question of voter fraud matters very little. People obviously don’t understand the electoral system.

  • http://n/a Sam Page

    Reply from Sam, Aynor, S.C.
    No, Mr. Root. You’re dead wrong about abortion (murder) politics. Romney should have gone to the mat against the murder of the unborn child in pagan America. Call it what it is, name it, describe the horrors of unborn murder and list the (damned) civilizations left in rubble (including Israel) who murdered their infant children to please not the God of the Bible, but Molech, America’s now-new modern god. No, Mr. Root. No, America, if I’m elected as President, I will not enforce Roe v. Wade, the so-called law of the land. I will not enforce lawlessness. I will not enforce murder. I would have had Ms. Roe speak at the Republican National Convention, prime time, of the murder of the unborn and the lies and deceit by which it became “the law”. She has since denounced the “Obamanable” lawlessness which bears her name. I would have hammered from hell to breakfast the illegitimacy of the Court legislating from the Bench. I would have asked Obama, in public debate, what caused him to not abort his children? And, if Michelle had decided to abort their two daughters, would he have had any say in the matter?, since “abortion is a matter between a woman’s own body and her doctor”? And, if only between her and her murdering Doctor, WHY is the Supreme Court (the Government) involved, dictating, commanding and enforcing?
    Obama won because he is a fighter (unfortunately, for evil). He is evil. Everything about him is sinister and dark. Everyone surrounding him is evil and loveth to please the King—”to eat the King’s meat and drink the King’s wine”. Damn’em! He would not yield on his core principles, unlike cowardly Republicrats and Libertarians, like yourself, Mr. Root.
    He went to the mat for his core constituency, unlike you fellas. I admire him methodologically, in the same way I admire a cursed snake, so smooth, subtle, fearless and ready to strike for what is his. You fellas fear him and he knows it. He knows it’s just a matter of time before you mice cave to his despicable demands. You disgust me.
    Feel free to print me name if you like.

    • Karolyn

      So you would force women to have babies they don’t want, to grow up in dysfunctional situations. Will you be responsible for all those extra mouths?

      • nickkin

        No, we would force women not to have sex……they would become dysfunctional because they would have no more sex in their lives.

        • bob666

          “No, we would force women not to have sex……they would become dysfunctional because they would have no more sex in their live”.

          And you are stating this on a web site called “personal liberty”? Wow, simply Wow.

    • http://twitter.com/ajaxada Anthony Jackson (@ajaxada)

      Wow Sam,
      You used a lot of words and the only thesis I can get out of it is that I think you have lost your mind… Wow… They have people who can listen to you and prescribe you some medicines. I hope this little advice helps. I am really concerned about youl

  • Greg

    Although raised a Republican, a WASP with some modest wealth, and a Harvard grad, I have been driven away from the GOP by the lies spewed by the anti-Obama-ites. Birth certif., Columbia attendance; take your pick. All baloney, as foolish as D Trump.

    Romney is a decent man, but he represented a lot that saddens me about my country, like the political power of the military-industrial complex that Ike warned us about. That also includes over-the-top disinformation, like from W.A.R. (any coincidence?)

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      I don’t know about those things all being lies…..if they are then why won’t Obama unseal his records and show his birth certificate…have it verified by experts. That fraud he put on the internet was obviously fake….so we had to have a fake killing of bin Laden when he’s been dead over 10 years to distract people. Wise up

      • http://twitter.com/ajaxada Anthony Jackson (@ajaxada)

        LOL… Even Trump stopped talking about President Obama’s birth certificate after he hired a crew to go to Hawaii and verify it. Osama was just killed last year. There is no conspiracy theory there. Maybe you can get Jesse Ventura to verify it for you. Why don’t you stop looking for something wrong and start looking at the good things this man is trying to do for this country. I have never seen a president so disrespected in my life. UNBELIEVABLE. Well, Bush did have those boots thrown at him……

  • John

    There simply aren’t enough angry, white, Southern males to carry national elections anymore. The science and polling (n=32,000) at 538 or betting in large #s (Intrade) absolutely nailed the outcome, In the end, the election wasn’t that close (3%, >1000 electoral votes). Romney and/or Senate candidates (Mourdock, Akin) did their best to alienate African-Americans, Latinos, the young, and women. The turnout was more of a vote AGAINST Romney than FOR Obama.

    The GOP will need to jettison the anti-liberty social conservatives, the pro-DOD wing of the Tea Party and nominate a Rubio or Christie to win in 2016.

    • John

      should read >100 Electoral votes

    • deerinwater

      I’ve always liked Christie, even when he held positions I did not agree with. ~ I don’t think that he wants the job, ~ which make me be believe he’d be a perfect choice, a conservative of impeccable character that understands leadership is not a popularity contest or appearing “pretty” and “pleasant”.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      First of all social conservatives need to leave those issues up to the states….not federal. I would never vote for RINOs like Rubio or Christie so you would lose again. They are unconstitutional and therefore unacceptible

  • Dennis

    It was not any one of those but all combined Mistakes. I offfered to work for Romney and then if he listened to me he would have won but he ignored my Application.

  • Dennis

    I could get any good Republican in the White House but I am not rich so no one listens.

  • http://personalliberty Pat Alexander

    What went wrong with “America” losing the election? Voter fraud, taking tax payers money and given it to people for a vote and lies from the obama regime. Cover ups in the workings of the goverment. Paying people to stay at home and forget about looking for a job. What went wrong, really!

    • http://twitter.com/ajaxada Anthony Jackson (@ajaxada)

      I see you are brainwashed Pat. Those are the same insults that helped lose the election for the Republicans. In actuality, the states that voted for Romney are the biggest receivers of government money. Look it up. I wouldn’t be surprised If you aren’t getting government assistance of some sort…. so you may be insulting yourself.

  • Dennis

    Multiple Languages on the Ballot promotes Voter Fraud.

  • http://bellsouth.net unique

    You Mr. Root never mentioned that Romney went to Europe and insulted the Heads of State there.
    Romney never showed we the people his taxes for the past five years. Romney’s elite children never went into the military service. Romney did say he was against Planned Parenthood, and,against Abortion. Romney was hiding his money off shore to avoid taxes. Also as you said he did all those things wrong to win the election. He even picked a fruit cake with radical ideas to be his Vice President. Why I ask you would the intelligent American people want to vote for a loser? The Republicans need to accept what the American people are and want and most of all they need to be honest with themselves. Oh! Romney talking about takers, the 1% are the biggest takers of all. Remember Wall Street, Insurance Companies, Too Big To Fail Banks that were bailed out? Then they received bonuses after the bail outs from the same companies they caused to go under. I call them takers. I was against those bailouts. This is all for now Mr. Root. You Republicans have to stop putting your distorted spin on the reason Romney lost.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      Great points Unique….glad you brought that up. They haven’t got a leg to stand on…they nominated a crook and a liar and he’s a U.N. loving globalist to boot !

    • Bimbam

      That’s why I don’t hate, I would go blind like you. STOP COVETING THE RICH and you will see again.

      obamA does the same thing you, even illegally, but somehow he’s right because he COVETS like you.

      When you break the last but not least commandment, the other 9 gets you, cause they are family.

      TEN SINS America…… We are also told strictly not to put a foreign ruler over you. It’s in the OT. Yeah, those that hate you shall rule over you.

      obamA = foreigner = hates U.S.

      Romney never had homosexual affairs, did drugs or hates America. Maybe that’s what was right about ‘em.

      • http://twitter.com/ajaxada Anthony Jackson (@ajaxada)

        Your post sounds very stupid Bimbam. Make those types of statements around people like you and you won’t come across so bizarre……

      • Bimbam

        Funny, that’s how you obamanites sound around us, but we don’t call what you morons say as stupid.

        Probably watching you guys is amusement enough already, maybe. Just guessing.

        • bob666

          I’m going out on a limb and saying that you really are a moron.

    • Freedomlover

      Can you tell the past of Obama instead of Romney?

  • Ann

    Considering the fact that there are plenty of evidences of a voter fraud and that too many people decides not to vote, I would not call majority of Americans “takers, parasites, leeches, mooches”. But the fact that after Fast and Furious, Benghazi, hundreds of unconstitutional executive orders, $1.4 billion taxpayers dollars spent on Obama’s family last year vacations (British taxpayers spent just $57.8 million on the royal family), after “You didn’t build it” and “private sector is doing fine” not only radical liberals, Islamists and Black Panthers voted for Obama, proves that the country is fundamentally ill. One of the symptoms of this is unprecedented corruption of all Congress both democrats and republicans. I remember how one young woman described her choice of the President “When you have to chose between two A**H***s you chose the prettier ass”. When it gets to the point when young and usually most active part of population makes their choices of the President using dubious aesthetic considerations, the probability of a wrong choice is high. GOP still have a chance to take America back, but in order to do it they first need to make a deep cleansing of their system and get a rid of “takers, parasites and Lazy” at the top level of the party.

    • Paul

      Wow, that Koch flavored cola you bought at the Limbaugh Lemonade stand has completely addled your poor head.

  • Billy J. Cooper

    It was an easy win for Obama. When you have a country, where half of the population are setting on their duffs, getting a welfare check of some kind every month plus food stamps, cell phones, free lunches for the kids, free child care, rest subsidies, Folks are getting so much “free stuff” dont have to hit a lick at a snake, Why on earth would you want to vote for someone who advocates getting people “back to work” and of the welfare rolls? Folks this is not Rocket Science here. Americans to some extent are LAZY. They want all the freebies their Government can give them. Had Romney promised everyone who voted for him a “New Car”, Obama would have promised them a New Car plus free gas for life.As for me, I dont see things getting better, until the democrats give away all the money that the working people have. Sooner or later, the government will run out of other peoples money. And that is when the RIOTS will set in. Dont think so, Look at Greece.

    • John

      You guys are aware of the Fiscal Cliff coming partly because Obama signed $1,500,000,000,000 in SPENDING CUTS, right?

  • Lyle

    First of all, I wouldn’t blame Ryan one bit. Christie won no favors in my eyes, but I don’t blame him either. Even though I do truly believe cheating was involved, you can’t fake over 2 Million total votes differences between the 2 candidates I don’t believe. The problem is with Mitt himself. I wrote my opinion on other forums, but why not here too. When a significant number of Republicans decided to not show up on election day (read that somewhere), that tells you something about Romney. I believe we had DNC infiltrators in our primary system knowing that Romney would be one of the only candidates that BO could beat. Why? For starters, there is such a thing as religious bigatry. My Dad did vote for Romney but, despite not liking BO, he really didn’t want to vote a Mormon. Yes, it was that simple for more then many. Then, it was his perceived Capitalist pig like stance and elitism (note, I said perceived). When the hit job stories were shown this past Summer, Romney couldn’t use any of his money to defend himself (stupid rules) and the media is literally another arm of the DNC, so the RNC should have answered these charges but didn’t. Romney didn’t make many friends with the 47% small talk either so maybe in the future, there should be some form of electronic bug checking if any smalltalk speak has the potential of biting you in the rear end, but better yet, it’s sometimes best to just keep your trap shut. Finally, Romney really showed no real passion until the first debate. He assumed that he can run on the skirt tails of a very bad economy and normally that would be true but we have idiots that want free stuff as O’Reilly untactfully stated but it is true. Bottom line, negativity proved to be a viable way to run for president and we will now in infinitum see this in most if not all future elections. I know there’s other negatives with Romney (Romneycare for instance and the minority vote), but those are minor if you ask me compared to what I afore mentioned.

  • Maureen Avila
  • http://www.electtherightcandidate.us Lofty

    Regarding the abortion issue, if you are running for federal office it is best to say Roe v Wade was wrong, this is a states rights issue.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      Glad there is someone here that acknowledges STATES RIGHTS….they are all big govt. weenies from the looks of most of these comments. Totally ignorant about the constitution…..that is exactly why we lost the BALANCE OF POWER

  • http://www.WhitakerRidge.us Gary

    What needs to be said is that Roe vs. Wade is clearly unconstitutional like many another laws and that the President and Feds should have no say in abortion; unless the fetus is considered a person.

  • Jan

    In my opinion, Romney lost for four reasons. It was inevitible and very predicatable. 1. People could tell that he is out of touch with Middle Class America. 2. He is simply not likable and nothing about him appeared to be genuine. 3. He couldn’t keep his foor out of his mouth. 4. He and his team as well as the entrenched Republican Party intentionally and blatently alienated all of the Ron Paul base and Libertarian leaning Rebublicans as well as the Independents and disenchanted Democrats who were ready to vote for someone else. Pure stupidity and arrogance!

  • Randy G

    One thing people will learn is’there is no such thing as a free lunch’ This ‘free’ stuff is going to cost a high price.

  • DAK

    Obama didn’t win as much as Romney lost. I said way back in June or July that Mitt would snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and he did just that. It wasn’t Mitt alone that did it either. He had lots of help from the fringe of the GOP that just couldn’t keep their bigoted views to themselves and realize that governing is about ALL Americans, not just those you agree with (or that agree with you might be a better way of saying it.)

    When I asked why I should vote for Romney, the number one answer I get was “He isn’t Obama” and the voters showed that that wasn’t a valid answer. When I asked a question about policy I was called names, told I was a commie or stupid or I should just go kill myself for being so dumb. Then you want me to vote for your guy? When a service member who happens to be gay is booed, when a woman with health issues is told to “just die and get it over with” and shouted down at a public meeting… well, what did you expect? That you’d get their votes?

    As long as the prevailing attitude from the Right is hatred, bigotry, snobbishness, and a sense they are just smarter than everyone that isn’t in the GOP; won’t explain their views based on facts other than lies; won’t stand up to the radicals in their own party and denounce stupid statements… then the Republicans can expect to continue to loose on the national stage.

  • http://personalliberty.com Joe

    I am not sure your ignoring of abortion is a winning stance, but it is an evil stance that I will never vote for as a Republican. How can you be so callous as to drop the most important moral issue of the century? Don’t speak up for the unborn who are being ripped apart and burned alive? Never!

    • Karolyn

      Live and let live. Your beliefs are not held by all, and everybody should be free to practice what they believe as long as it does not infringe on another’s personal liberty. Should you be right, there is another judgent that has nothing to do with you. In my belief,when a spirit does not come into the world via abortion, miscarriage or any other means, it will eventually arrive should it so desire. Death is just another destination in the on-going journey of life of the spirit.

      • Mike and Linda

        Abortion is infringing on the rights of others-the child. If you research what a child can do and respond while in the womb, you will see that this really is a child. If one would say that they are not a child, a real person, you would have agreed with the US Supreme Court Dred Scott decision that slaves are not a person, but a possession. People are not possessions, whether a slave or an unborn child. The Civil War set the black slaves free. Should’nt we work just as hard to set the child free from the assault of the profiteering abortionists? Rape ,incest, and life of the mother are only 3%of the abortions performed. The other 97% say,”It’s my possession, I’ll do with it as I please.” If we use the same logic of abortion as a form of property rights (reproductive rights), there would be no Republican Party today because the party of Lincoln was against slavery.

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    Mr. Root, not everybody thinks as you do. Sun Tzu in his “The art of war” tells people: KNOW YOUR ENEMY. You don’t know, your enemy. Obama with his conquer to divide has / is creating a two class society. I call them the producers and predators. Romney eluded to 47% for the predators. By predator I’m talking about people that are fine with living on the dole, like house pet. Then we have many hispanics who ran away from their own country to find the “American dream” and found that it is achieved by living on the dole and Obama’s indoctrinating them to just that. Producers should be self-evident. This election showed Romney’s percentages are wrong. Besides in many ways he and Obama showed them to be comrades. Ron Paul offered self respect and the residents of DC can’t stand that and neither of them eluded to it. There’s a lot of educating from indoctrinating that has to be done to save America. Meantime, John 3:16 offers an insurance policy. People should consider it.

    • http://twitter.com/ajaxada Anthony Jackson (@ajaxada)

      People like you are the prime reason the GOP lost the election. You started off with insults and worse part is…. I don’t think you realize it. Based on your statements, I think first of all that you are racist. You are a bigot who believe every one else that is not like you are below you. You are an immigrant to this nation. The illegals you speak down to had their land basically stolen. I am talking about the Mexicans. Do your research and you may find that you have more to be ashamed of than to sit on your high and mighty horse and look down your nose. I doubt that you have ever done an honest day’s work in your life but you fall in the priviledge society. Basically, you are pathetic!….

  • http://burntoffering.wordpress.com BurntOffering

    What went wrong is people like you still dont have a clue what you have done in the name of the Lord was caused by a believing your own Hype, Hope and great Red Neck Racists who were running for President. Folks who cant Accept that this Nation is being run by a Black President are comfortable living in their State of Denial, their own problems and fact which was Again you were beat out by this Black Man, over Rich Mitt, John McCain, and trailer white trash Sara Palin etc. In 2008 you said to yourselves that Hell would freeze over and life as we know it would be over but again you lied to yourself;

  • Stephen Metzger

    I strongly feel the biggest problem with the Romney campaign was that it (and he, Romney) did not go after Obama on a personal, direct level–questioning his integrity, his intentions, and the lies and coverups of his own policies. And the reason he and his campaign advisors did not do this, which was so much low hanging fruit, is that he was not conservative enough, not, in a sense, radical enough to be capable of it. The Republican elite is still in a dream world that this is simply a political fight, rather than a fight for survival as a nation. Socialist/Communist/Facist (whatever you want to call it) philosophies, policies and platitudes shrivel and die of their own accord, but unless confronted head-on, invariably lead to a police state–the only means by which their advocates can stay in power. We are clearly headed that way–no question–and what we need, as patriots, if you will, is a leader and a leadership that is radical enough to tell the truth and offer no compromise to any group that suggests there is a “middle” ground–much less to those groups actively destroying the country. There simply isn’t a middle ground at this point in our nation’s history, and there is little question that there are deadly enemies within. A key building block in the new leadership is the growing strength of Republicans and conservatives at the State level. That was the one piece of good news that came out of this election, and it is something to build on.

    • Karolyn

      Right, make it even more negative. Aren’t we bombarded enough already with negative political ads during election periods?

      • Lauren

        They should have stripped robama and obamney down to their skivvies and had them duke it out in a mud pit cage match with rusty sporks and butter knives to decide the “winner”. And broadcast this “fight of the century” on Pay-Per-View, with the proceeds going towards the national debt! And even though I wouldn’t have missed a spectacle as that, I’d still have voted for Gary Johnson anyway! ;)

        • Debi

          You voted for Gary Johnson? While I admire your spirit…you essentially voted for Obama…so thanks for helping to put us from the pan into the fire.

      • Lauren

        Deb, sorry to burst your bubble, romney was not bound to be much different. Blame the GOP for squandering another election by promoting inferior big-government whore candidates. The GOP establishment is every bit as corrupt as the Dems. Dumb-o-craps or Reprobates. I will NEVER vote for treasonous usurpers of either party until the day comes (and I’m not holding my breath) they wake up and realize that they are REQUIRED to operate within the bounds of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights or they are ILLEGITIMATE criminals. “Unitary executives” (and romney was cheer leading NDAA as much as obama in bragging he “would have signed it”) are totalitarian dictators.

        I do not owe any allegiance whatsoever to traitors, criminals or dictators, sorry! And romney’s failure to respect the Constitutional restrictions on presidential “authority” is HIS problem, not mine!

    • Mary

      Lies and cover ups. Romney knew those were just more right wing rhetoric. He could not afford to bring up “Lies and Cover ups” No one had more of those than he did. Why were none of those lies and cover ups spewed by the right, about Obama ,ever brought up on the “mainstream Media”? Because there was no proof, just more propaganda by the likes of Rove and Limbaugh who apparently can get away with spreading any dirt they can make up. You are proof of how many people believed them.

    • http://twitter.com/ajaxada Anthony Jackson (@ajaxada)

      Stephen, you are an idiot. You are the reason why the GOP lost. Many of us think that President has high moral character and very good judgement. This is the reason why when Romney challenged him, he got chased away like a little puppy. Stop spreading hate, go on about your business and have a great 4 years.

  • Larry

    In 2008 Obama ran on a platform of hope and change. What idiot would vote for a candidate with such a non-specific platform? And what idiot would vote for a candidate who after four years of holding office had no accomplishments to run on and resorted to spreading lies about his opponent? Romney was neither a felon or murderer. Before being sworn in as President in 2009, Obama said he would fundamentally transform the USA & his main focus after being sworn in (in a failed economy nonetheless) was Obamacare even though he stated many times he would focus like a laser on jobs (we are still waiting for that to happen). The USA did not need to be transformed, especially into another failed communist regime, nor did our health care system need to be overhauled, at least not for most of the citizens of the USA (it only needed to be tweeked for about 8 – 10 million citizens unless you include illegal aliens). On top of this, within the last year Obama was involved in Fast & Furious (dead border agents not to mention hundreds of dead Mexican citizens) and Libyagate (four dead Americans), and no one is that naive to think Obama knew nothing about these two disasters. I wish to thank all the Obama idol worshipers who gave us four more years of failure and, as it now appears, massive layoffs due to Obamacare.

    • http://twitter.com/ajaxada Anthony Jackson (@ajaxada)

      The only failure I forsee is you and your poor attitude. You need help Larry. Too much hate… and for what? Obamacare has room for mental illness as well buddy…

  • Theresa

    Romney failed to capture the votes of true independent conservatives. As far as we are concerned, Romney was just another piece of big government spending gloalist trash!
    True conservatives refused to vote for him!
    The GOP and those who support it’s corruption got exactly what they deserve!
    We are sick of the two party system!

  • Mary

    First of all to call yourselves “personal liberty” is a sham. The reason the Republican party lost is because of their conservative extremism that would take away very personal liberties from others. Remember, Rebublicans would still have their freedoms but by changing the laws they would take them away from those who do not share their ideollogy. Women are not willing to go back 50 yrs when they had no control over their reproductive rights and I am not just talking abortion. Taking away contraception was also proposed by many right wingers. Again, pushing their ideology on others even though they are not threatened in any way, and still now have the right of choice, is certainly not a fair playing field.
    As for Mitt Romney, no one really knew who he was. He had a different stand on the issues every time he opened his mouth. Who could believe that liar? Apparently he got votes for just being white and a Republican. woo hoo!
    To say President Obama was the cause of the worst economy in years is also more right wing rhetoric. He was elected just as the economy was crashing under the last Republican leadership which the Republicans just wish to erase from the history books. The right wing has told more lies and tried to discredit President Obama more than any President in our life time. It was obvious before this election, that the economy was improving, the housing market was on the upswing and jobs were coming back. All these things, the right continued to ignore and lie about.
    So if you really want to know what happened, consider this. Most of us do not want to live on the supression of a conservative right wing leadership nor do we trust a party who tells one lie after the other to benefit their political agenda and thinks it perfectly okay to do so. Some of us still have integrity. Continue down the same self serving path of making up lies and character assassination of every person who does not share your ideology, with no crediable proof. Continue to listen to the likes of Limbaugh and Karl Rove and you will lose again. For a party that once ran on high morals and said they were the ones with the most Christians, they have failed miserably on both counts. Christians do not lie and practice deceit.
    I am a senior, white, woman and do not live on any government assistance. I have another retirement othen than a small social security check and other health insurance to supplement Medicare. Both of these I paid into for over 30 years so to say we live off the government is untrue. It is a government funded insurance program, much like any other insurance programs in the private sector. We own our home, with no mortgage, and my husband and I have raised four children who are also good citizens with successful jobs , not living on hand outs. We are part of the middle class who have been paying most of the taxes in this country. The Republican party needs to stop saying Democrats all want free stuff. They really have no clue what Democrats want or who most Democrats are.
    Talking free stuff , how about the millionaires getting all the tax breaks or paying less taxes than many of us middle class, because they are claiming their money through investments such as Romney does. It sure seems he likes all the freebies the country can offer. He cannot even manage his millions in his foreign accounts yet, the Republicans thought he would be good at managing our country’s trillions. The words from his own mouth said he did not know how much money he had in those foreign accounts, he had someone else managing them. Of course, we all know all he had to do was pick up the phone or hit a couple of keys on his computer, to get those answers but he did not want America to know just how much he was hiding from us. He most likely would have owed more taxes on it.
    The bottom line here is, Mr. Root is just out of touch with much of the country because he never gets out of his narrow minded political machine he and many Republicans live in. Why is it, they can not ever admit they are wrong without making excuses for it? By the way, the only voter supression was coming from the Republican ran states but luckily that failed.
    The Republicans lost the election, again, so they need to get over it and go on about living life just as we Democrats did when Bush was elected for the second term. We did not petition to secede from the United Stated. How ridiculous to even think it. You all really need to form another party. The one you have is just full of crazies.

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Dang, now I’ve fallen in love with Mary too. What will I tell Janet?

      Maybe I should stick with Mary, since that’s my wife’s name. That way, if I talk in my sleep about my new love she won’t catch on.

      I am thrilled to see so many smart women speaking out on this site. It counters the dumb white men that seem to be in the majority here. Makes me glad I sent so much money to Emily’s List too. And all my “girls” won too! (But my “guy” Graves lost to Crazy Lady Michelle in MN, unfortunately).

  • http://google David

    The have not’s have defined the moral decay is real and have been the primary support of the new Social/Marxist America.

    • Dave67

      Was it the time of slavery when we had morality? When we broke every treaty with the native tribes of N. America? Were we moral then? How about segregation?

      Should minorities simply go back to knowing their place?

  • Mark Esche

    I have invested heavily in Bengay, because there are a lot of really sore losers. They fulminate, they whine, they make outrageous claims. It all comes down to “YOU LOST”!!!
    Get over it. Now, do something to help the country move forward

  • Terry Bateman

    In Response to What Went Wrong by Wayne Root:

    What does Mitt Romney stand for? What was his agenda and program?
    What would he do differently regarding Syria, Iran,Obamacare? Which
    government regulations Obama imposed did he say he would eliminate?
    He spoke well. He has class and presence. He know how to run a business
    and make money. I wanted to vote for him. But I had to ask myself: Is the
    economy going in a better direction than it was four years ago. Yes, it is.
    Obamacare and shutting down coal fired energy plants with new regulations
    are the only real negatives I could find with Obama. But Romneycare is the
    model for Obamacare , and massive new natural gas supplies and new
    natural gas power plants moot the loss of old coal fired plants.

  • Nina

    In my opinion Romney lost because he played the game clean and not dirty like Obama did. He was a gentleman all the way from the beginning concentrating on the issues and not attacking the President hard enough where and when he had a chance. Like the first time, Obama never explained how he was going to fix the economy, all he did was attack Romney with lies because he is a master liar. Besides the election was rigged; it was fixed from the start of the campaign. I read that the company that owned the machines and was compiling the votes is owned by Soros. The election was fixed from day one. Playing clean, Obama would have lost by a huge margin. How can anyone win against all the thugs who have taken over our government.

    • DAK

      Besides the election was rigged; it was fixed from the start of the campaign. I read that the company that owned the machines and was compiling the votes is owned by Soros.
      ——————————–
      Funny, I heard one of Mitt’s sons had bought the company that counted the votes… Wonder which story is true or perhaps neither of them are?

  • Robert

    Wayne, your prediction was WAY wrong because you failed to take into account the most important reason why Obama would be re-elected, Bible prophecy. What I mean by this is that according to Bible prophecy, we are living in the very last days before the return of our Lord & Savior JESUS CHRIST, so if you are aware of this & know your Bible prophecy like I do, it’s not that hard to predict that Obama would be re-elected like I did LAST YEAR in August. I even predicted that Obama would be our president for at least 2 terms back in April of 2008 when Hillary Clinton was well in the lead & all but assured of getting the Democratic nomination. Let me explain how I predicted this over 4 1/2 years ago. In order for Bible prophecy to be fulfilled, a one world government & currency has to be formed & this cannot happen as long as the dollar & America controls the world’s economy. By deductive reasoning, that means that in order for the coming world government & currency (i.e. mark of the beast) to come to fruition, the dollar & therefore America’s economic status as the world’s leader has to collapse & the best and/or easiest way for that to happen is by making sure America’s leader, the president, is someone who will cater to & carry out the international bankers wishes & commands to bring about this one world currency & government. Obama was the better choice just like Bush was for the previous 2 terms. I don’t mean to toot my own horn, but I’ve correctly predicted who would become our next president since Jimmy Carter, when I was only 11 years old. I only attribute this success to knowing Bible prophecy & using deductive reasoning off of this to predict coming world events. We can’t change what’s going to happen but only get prepared for what’s coming, & these next 4 years will be the absolute worst time in America’s history. Mark my words & warning; America will be destroyed by a combination of the collapse of the dollar & probable terrorist attacks once this impending war between Israel & Iran begins. Israel is the key to Bible prophecy & future events, not America like so many people have been misled to believe. I’ll leave you with the fact that the global world leaders & bankers plan is to have the world’s population micro-chipped by 2017, so that ought to tell you how close we really are to America’s demise.

  • Paul Wells

    All I can say is, enjoy your joblessness, enjoy your lackluster economy, enjoy your (not so gradual anymore) loss of freedoms, but most of all, enjoy your slide into complete oblivion, far removed from being any kind of world power. The banana republic is alive, and well in the USA!

    • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

      I can’t wait to see how the takers Obama promised all the goodies too for their vote React to him when they don’t get what Obama promised !!!!!!!

  • bob666

    Correct on many points, but totally wrong on two:

    First, as life-long native Floridian, Rubio would have not had any effect on the Latino votes. Calling Cubans Latinos is like calling a Russian a European. Same geographical area-totally different culture and mentality.

    Finally, you need to get off of this 47% gig-it is total inaccurate and that was the single biggest death blow to Romney. I have seen the “I lost because Obama bribed people with free stuff” from Romney and that only reinforces just how out of touch he is. He lost for many of the reasons listed by Mr. Root, but he also just did not connect with about 65% of the population. More people voted for Romney because he is not Obama than Voted for Romney because they saw him as the right guy for the presidency.

    Until the GOP figures out why they are alienating more than 50% of all Americans, they will continue to lose national elections. I’m an independent and libertarian and find the GOP to be fab more dysfunctional and corrupt that the DNC. I am a man without a party and as long as people like Karl Rove are running the show, I will continue not to be a part of the GOP.

  • RichE

    “… politics is played just like a football game” Hmmm, who plays the role of referee?

  • ant

    The election was rigged (we need to go back to paper ballots and people should be able to validate their votes after the fact – the dead cant vote but still do). If it were Ron Paul running in a fair election Paul would have won. The way the Republicans ran the primaries made me sick. They dissed Ron Paul and that made me revolt against the Republican Party. Of course I would never have gone with O either. The people that run the Republican party need to be replaced without question but of course my opinion does not mean a damn to anyone that can make such changes. The republican party rejects true statesmen and replaces them with spineless yes men that only back wars, stupid financial institutions that would fail naturally, FEMA camps, the patriot act and the list goes on and on. Does the R party even know what the people think they should support – what are their values anyways? They are clueless. The R party needs to get back to Libertarian values or go extinct. They should adapt or go the way of the Dodo. It makes me so mad. My congress man said that the bailouts were horrible but voted for them anyways and lied about voting for them in public forums. Our politicians cant even physically read the bills presented for them to vote on. They just vote based on what they are told to do (if they vote at all). If you ask 99 pct of the politicians, they could not tell you what is in the bills, they just vote. Idiots. They should NEVER vote in the affirmative on any bill they have not read. Any law should be VERY SHORT and concise. The problem is not whether or not Romney won or lost it is the Republican party has lost their moral compass.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Frank

    In my opinion, the only people who could have predicted a landslide for Romney were people who did not communicate and did not talk to voters in this country. Yes I live in a strongly conservative and Republican area. Yes, I thought there was a possibility for Romney to win. Talking to voters, I never thought a landslide for Romney was evenly remotely possible. You really need more contact with average citizens.

  • http://google Olga G

    When communists get the power they don’t release it. Their slogan: THE END JUSTIFIES THE WAYS! Fraude, lies, manipulation, etc, etc. Nothing is transparent in this POTUS. Next, the Constitution will be changed and no more elections, FINISH!
    ROMNEY DID NOT LOST! AMERICA LOST! FREEDOM LOST!
    Democrats woo-ed the Lord 3 times. The Lord has given to them the king they deserve.
    GOD IS IN CONTROL, Obo is not god, and all who voted for him will enjoy the fruit of their decision. JESUS IS THE LORD!

    • Jess

      The President has no power to change the Constitution and with a Republican controlled House they will never get the votes required. Besides Obama has never said anything about changes to the Constitution, but the republicans have mentioned things like a ban on gay marriage, repealing the 14th amendment, repealing the 17th amendment, and adding a balance budget amendment. Now, who is that wants to change the Constitution?

      • Lauren

        Yes, but as both autocrats bush and obama have proven by their actions, they can safely IGNORE the Constitution by playing word games and make pretend… and since there is no way to hold them accountable (We have 18 US 241 Conspiracy Against Rights, but the Attorney General is a criminal scumbag as well and would never prosecute as he is just as guilty of conspiring against our rights). And so you see, as bush said, the USCON is just a “[comment has been edited]piece of paper”. And obama has shown in action that he feels exactly the same! Potemkin Republic, there is nothing left but the flag, the symbols, and the myths, Old America is dead in the District of Criminals, what is left of her grand vision only burns still on the hearts of the last generation who were apparently, TOO well indoctrinated in the fantasies of liberty…

  • ICEDRAGONNITE

    Fear won!
    People were bombarded with total lies and destruction of their ideals that they became paralyzed. Thus fear won. When people are so frightened that they cannot think beyond the moment. They hold their breath, no change just keep what we already have and hope it wouldn’t get any worse. The status quo is the answer.
    FEAR WON. Now you know how great those negative ads and news reports work. Neither Candidate were positive in their champagnes that was transmitted by the MSM.

  • Rick

    Looks like Mr. Root still doesn’t get it. He was wrong because the electorate didn’t buy into Romney’s ideas…plain & simple. Republicans, get over it and accept the fact that they are outdated ideas in today’w world.

  • Jess

    Stop making excuses. Romney was successful. He got the votes he targeted. (White men) He just didn’t get enough of them to win. He ran a poor campaign proving that he is out of touch with real middle class Americans and doesn’t care about them.
    Maybe next time Republicans will run someone that can at least appear to care about everyone. Chris Christie would be an excellent choice.

    • Don

      Jess, no one could have won that election because of all the voter fraud that was going on, but obama the cheater will get his just reward, and it might not take to long, can you say ben-gazy !

      • Dave67

        Proof? Nowhere… Goodnight… Have a nice day.amazing what happens in elections when you scapegoat, try to control people’s lives through religious doctrine and use fear on people…

        You lose.

  • filpped54

    Wayne Allen Root is not God….so he cannot predict the future. Nor is he someone that anyone with a logical mind should listen to. I think he is Rush Limbaugh on steroids. A huge loud mouth with no credibility only in the game to financially enrich himself at the expense of the truth. Running a country is not just about money but there are human lives involved also….Romney and Root have failed to take this into consideration.

  • just_reality

    Jeez, you republicans are dense. You did the same thing with McCain choosing a ditz like Sarah Palin for a running mate, and you haven’t learned a thing. Please wake up, think about what Mr. Root has written, and support a reasonable platform of fiscal conservatism, and social self determinism and freedom. Give us rational voters a real choice.

    • Don

      A ditz like Palin ??? if anyone is a ditz it is you, commie, Palin has more brains in her little finger than you will ever have !!!

      • Right Brain Thinker

        And if you look close in pictures of her, you can see that she has written “brains” in teeny-tiny letters on that little finger just in case she forgets which finger her brains are in.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        While we’re talking about ditzy, if you look closely at full frontal photos of Michelle Bachmann and the lighting is just right, you can look into her eyes and see the NOTHING IN HERE that’s written in big letters on the inside of the back of her skull.

        Palin wears glasses so it’s a lot harder to see what’s written inside her skull. Reliable sources say that it says MAYBE A BIT MORE THAN MICHELLE BUT NOT A WHOLE LOT

  • Been There

    Wayne, I think you’re wrong again. Obama didn’t win the election. He stole it. The voter fraud was rampant and blatant. When a county has 175,000 voters and the count is 247,000 ballots, it’s obvious that the result is fraudulent. This is what happened in all the swing states. Voting machines were rigged to change votes for Romney to votes for Obama. The military was kept from voting and had their absentee ballots conveniently lost. It goes on and on. If this goes unchallenged, we will never have another honest election in this country. America as a free country died on November 6.

    • eddie47d

      You may have Been There but you haven’t Done That! When you win your happy as a lark but when you lose it is always someone elses fault and the blame is spread far and wide. Those same claims were made in the previous elections whether under a Republican or a Democrat. If they were true 10-20 years ago why didn’t you fix it then instead of crying about it today. Now march down to your local County Clerks office and demand action if you are truly concerned.

  • DrRGP

    Defend what? I have no problem agreeing with the diagnosis (analysis), but I truly believe we have already reached the tipping point, and the prognosis (outlook) is all but hopeless for those of us who still treasure and want to preserve our Western heritage or culture. What on earth can we do in the face of the odds–virtually impossible odds–as they now exist? The lifeblood of the Democrat hegemony is the “entitlement” voter base. And that base of “takers” (sometimes called “tax eaters”) is only going to grow (through higher fertility rates, legal and illegal immigration, indoctrination, etc.) and further ravage the “makers” (sometimes called “tax payers”). The biological term for what is happening in today’s America is “displacement”: In a given environment, members of one species (or subspecies) are giving way to members of another species (or subspecies). The one population waxes, the other wanes.

  • Detlef Naase

    It is all so very simple, i voted for him to keep my checks coming, Romney and Ryan would have found some way to cut my Medicare Unemployment and Food stamps. They would have even tried to reverse Obama care. How irrisponsible would that have been after all of the years of fighting for socialized medical care system. Medical care is after all a birthright.
    Obama has located the cause of the debt problem properly, the rich are at foult and have not paid their fair share of taxes in years, he will certainly fix that.
    Yes politics is sort of like football, the Obama team is not going to just kick the ball down field.

  • ranger09

    Folks we are only getting what we asked for. Sheep just keep on following the bell. When you consider all the Govt employees and People receiving Govt money, Then include the Greedy and you will see where this country is Going. Granted some People getting Govt money is just getting what they deserve and is entitled to. Take the Money we give to undeserving Countries and Their Leaders in one Year would help some of our Problems, But this will not happen because Our Power Group takes care of themselves with our hard earned Money. NO jobs means a bad Economy, Even high Schoolers knows this. The Rich get Richer and the Sheep get Poorer. When are the People going to take our Country Back, NEVER.

  • chuckb

    you can’t win election when the electorate are socialist welfare recipients. more than half this nation is depending on the government in one form or the other, they will sell their soul for a free meal. the education system has been in the liberal indoctrination business for the last sixty years, the media is nothing more than a propaganda machine for the bolsheviks.
    they care less what barry does, he can lie, distort the facts and have no idea of the liberal legislation he signs. he lives a life of luxury, exhorbitant vacations, golf games and reads the teleprompter expertly. the ones we need to fear are the ones you can’t see and they are winning.
    these bolshevik types don’t care what this man does, the blacks would approve of anything he does and the latinos will be standing in the welfare line. it was obvious that fraud was rampant, if you took the illegal vote out of this election it might have made a big difference.

    when you get right down to it if the republican party had any guts and got off the goody two shoes wagon they might have done better. their candidates are afraid to speak out
    about such things as fast and furious and benghazi , most of the people they are trying to reach don’t understand economics. the bolsheviks on the other hand understand their electiorate, they only understand what they think will be given them freely

    • Jeff

      Hey, Chuck, any proof of a single “illegal” vote? And proof does not mean some nonsense you hear on Glenn Beck. I guess all non-white votes in your sick mind are illegitimate, but even that is short of “illegal.” What, exactly, are you “thinking”?

  • Alex Frazier

    I have a favor to ask. I filled out one of those petitions, asking for new legislation to identify, amend, or repeal unConstitutional legislation. I need 150 signatures just for it to be visible. I wondered if some of you would be kind enough to read the petition and give it your digital signature. Once it gets the 150 signatures, everyone across the nation can see it and sign it as they please. This is the link to the petition page:

    http://wh.gov/XWFx

    Thanks for your help.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jandeenphoto Jan Eric Deen

    The only rigging to be concerned about is the limits of topics the parties discuss, for fear of stepping on their money — no one still has a clue who Romney is–did we know who
    Obama was? Do we now? The concern should be how to attract men of intelligence who cannot be bought to higher office but I don’t think the rules of power allow it.
    Just like the terms Liberal and Conservative, Libertarian has shifted meaning more often than Sex Act definitions to Bill Clinton. Fox News, as in “sly as a . . .?” Is being their guest something to brag about, really? Right to life for the living. Legalize survival. . .our ideologies have failed us and we them.
    As for entitlements, apply the criteria of valid need, define excess–help people keep their homes, not enrich bankers and CEO bonus babies.

    • Lauren

      We couldn’t do worse if we randomly selected all office holders (house, senate, and pres).. the process would not be corruptible by power interests, and would be a fair representation of Americans from all walks of life and classes. It’s like a lottery no sane person really would want to win…

  • Don

    Maybe it’s time to downsize the voting group on the left, if your on welfare you don’t get to vote, or something like that

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      Your absolutely right. If you are not contributing to society, you have no voice in the society. As side from that there should be a minimal cost to vote plus a test based on ths Constitution. Remember, voters are determining who has control over the people’s lives, liberties and properties. I for one don’t want someone who is looking to his vote as a ticket to my pocket book.

      • Financially Insecure John

        Rebecca,
        you are a moron!

        • Rebecca

          Financially Insecure John, What do you mean by moron? Is it, if someone does not agree with you that they are a moron?

    • John Lilleburnes Ghost

      How if your from a state that does not contribute?

      • bob666

        Are we still istening to FOX ten hours a day while delivering Pizza for Pappa Johns?

  • tncdel

    Root made the mistake of applying criteria having no correlation to Liberals: common sense.

    • http://personaliberty.com A-New-Hope

      The million or so extra votes from dead people and O’bama’s cronies influenced the course of history.

  • Paul

    In some ways you almost get it. However in your blind hatred of President Obama and everyone who is different than you it will always at best be almost. Part of the truth is that despite 30 years of right-wing attempts to gut education in the US and deny students classes that teach critical thinking and values clarification more than 50% of American voters (and yes citizens who are Black, Latino, Asian, African, Gay, Women and young people are Americans) understand who is lying and when and who actually agrees with their values. They understand that the dismal economic conditions we are living with are the direct result of the greed of the (largely right wing) powerful and wealthy for still more wealth and power….at the expense of the rest of us. They understand that it is the obstructionists in Congress that have stood in the way of employment and economic recovery in the US and they did their best to dislodge them. (If the right wing hadn’t successfully gerrymandered so many districts across the country the House race would have looked very much like the Senate race.) They also understand (as apparently so many Republicans could not) that Romney is a Quisling moderate – that is he is actually a deeply conservative, greed driven individual willing to disguise himself to fit whatever constituency he thinks will hand him what he pursues. They also understood that, even as he touted himself as such, Romney, for all his unearned wealth, is not actually a business man and that even if he were the US is not a business and cannot be run as one…and certainly cannot be run as a plantation for the right-wing wealthy and haven for the far right.

    And that points out the critical flaw in the right wing mind-set. You tend to think that the wealthy and the extreme right are your friends. They are not. Neither are they true to the principles of egalitarianism that germinated with the founding of the republic and have continued to grow and evolve. You can’t just muzzle the far right until after elections and then let them loose again. If you look at the conventions and the rallies of the two parties you would understand that those at the Democratic events were indeed the current and future complexion of this nation. We are not ever going to go back to a white majority no matter the fevered dreams of the tea party and those to the right of them. We are a plurality going forward from here.

    Those Americans you, the right-wing, and the far-right so disdain, do perceive and understand the nature of your disdain. That disdain was embodied not just in the Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelsen, Trump, Aikn, Mourdock, Palin and the rest but the kow-towing to and tolerance of such were reflective of the essential disdain in which Romney, Ryan and the Republican party holds the majority of Americans and they are well aware of it. (Certainly this was understood before but it was made abundantly clear by the 47% pep-talk.)

    The Republican party can’t just don the disguise of moderation on social issues critical to the majority of American citizens. (It didn’t work for Romney why would it work elsewhere?) The Republican party has to take the first step and realize it has an essential addiction to racism and classism that is out of control. Then it has to take the second step and realize lip service isn’t enough. The right will finally have to truly embrace the fact that the real, fundamental values of the country are the only hope for survival of not only your party but of the nation. Then at some point those on the right are going to have to truly examine the havoc wrought by this addiction and seek ways to make amends and truly amend how you relate to those who are different than you are. But I’m not holding my breath. I fully expect you and the right wing will be amply fulfilling the definition of insanity for some time to come. Pity that.

    • bob666

      Very well said! You get it far better than Mr. Root.

    • Debi

      You sir are a “typical” liberal and a big part of what is wrong with our country..You assume that anyone who doesn’t agree with you, is doing so out of hate. You couldn’t be farther from the truth. Just because you go on, and on, and on, and on , ad nauseum, doesn’t make you any more right or more high minded than anyone else posting here. You seem to be the perfect example of a good part of the liberal mindset..you are so “open minded” that your brains have fallen out. Keep your hate where it belongs, in your own mind and don’t assume you know how the other side feels.
      Not everyone who disagrees with your point of view does so out of hate, racism (the liberals new battle cry) or ignorance of the challenges at hand.

      • Paul

        Actually, I am an Independent and deeply dedicated to seeing the world as it is and not as I would like to pretend it to be. You simply have to read the bulk of the right-wing replies here and the hate and racism being catered to becomes more than evident. In the end addiction never goes away spontaneously it has to be honestly confronted and denial has to be exposed for what it is…as your your response so ably reveals.

      • Dave67

        Debi, isn’t great to be a conservative? Its never you or your ideology. You are always a victim and never responsible for any problem or thing done wrong in this country.

        How do I get to that level of denial?

    • Lauren

      Oh please, try and be honest! Obama, he looks a pauper to me (ha!), and the obama’s sure have been living up the world vacation circuit on the taxpayer dime. A billion+ $$ campaign, no doubt built on the $5 donations of the little man! Oh please! Michele obama is like America’s Imelda Marcos… when those crooks are finally forced out of their Royal Palace on Pennsylvania Avenue, I’d like to see the pictures of the closets full of thousand dollar shoes!

      Both parties no longer represent the working middle class. The dems pay lip service to the poor, and stick the bill for the benefits on the working class. The reps are not much different.

      The corporate duopoly represents the interests of their corporate sponsors, nothing more and nothing less. Lose your retrogressive fantasy that the dems could give a whit about the poor and the ignorant.

      Fear fear fear! Fear terror! Fear your neighbors! It’s the gays! No, it’s those bible thumpers! Oh they hate women! No, they hate men! Or mormons, or blacks, or whites, or whatever… Oh whatever, just FEAR! All we need you to do to keep up our thieving duopoly is sucker you into pressing the button for tweedledee or tweedledumb. You’ll get fleeced and abused either way… whichever transnational corporate puppet whore is (s)elected!

  • Paiaso

    Oh Brother is this guy full of [expletive deleted]!

  • Bimbam

    I had predicting obamA would win many months before and have been sending out e-mails saying so.

    How did I know? It was easy. I began to see conservative websites get real strict with posting policies and if you ever mentioned obamA was “negro” they would KICK YOU OUT. And as the election got closer I began to see Floyd Brown start banning the word “negro” which he never did before and that’s when I began to see the “cowering” that we were gonna lose. (SHAME ON YOU FLOYD).

    One big conservative site banned me PERMANENTLY. I wrote the editor saying you just wait and see obamA will get re-elected, and he sure did.

    Why is everyone so afraid of negroes? I keep telling people we don’t owe them anything, we freed them at the price of white blood and treasury. They have cost us enormously already.

    And this negro is going to take you for another ride to possible CIVIL WAR AGAIN. Most of them are ungrateful. But what do I care? You can act anyway you want but don’t make U.S. pay for it! Which is what obamA wants again.

    As I repeat over and over I am not a racist but a realist. I observe phenomena and react accordingly. So if anyone calls me a racist, that means they are the racist since they only see in black and white, whilst I see in color. Hehehehehehehe…….

    • http://personaliberty.com A-New-Hope

      None of what you are saying matters if the voting process was compromised.

      • Bimbam

        YOU are correct. I acutally had been saying obamA could only get re-elected by FRAUD.

        I said for the first 4 years we had an ILLEGAL president. No BC, no records, no vetting.

        Then I said for the next 4 years we will have an FRAUDELENT president, as massive voting fraud was already being reported.

        • bob666

          Yo Bimbaen what is it like when you are on your meds?

    • http://personaliberty.com A-New-Hope

      Obama’s cronies cheated for him. He’s no better then a 5th Ward Thug

    • bob666

      and you should be baned here as well-your a flake!

    • Bimbam

      Blob666 The same thing you feel when you are off yours, why?

      • bob666

        I am high on life, you are are just plain delusional.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lana.tolman Lana Sanders Butler

    WHAT WENT WRONG !!!! He screwed with the Ron Paul Liberterians by 1) Playing around with the primary votes, 2) Not mentioning Ron Paul’s name at the Republican Convention (he who’s name must not be mentioned) AND CHANGING THE RULES TO FIT HIS AGENDA. And 3) the people that could carry him to a win either stayed home or were one of the 1 million people who voted for Gary Johnson LIKE ME….. Mitt you were so stupid to think that Ron Paul threathen your way of life. Grow up and find some liberterian principles and quit repeating the same old rhetoric.

  • Neil Swan

    The tea party and religious right are against the country.
    The good Americans voted for Obama that’s why he won.

    Neil

    • Paul Wells

      You are deluded. The liberal left (which does NOT represent any of our founding fathers values) have corrupted the process so much that there will no longer be fair elections. Union thugs, bribery, extortion, graft…these will all be and are becoming commonplace. Chicago style politics, brainwashing school kids minds with anti-American sentiment, making America out to be the villain in the world, all of these policies will come home to us in a big way, and this is already started.

      • bob666

        Paul,
        there is a source of information other than FOX.

    • eddie47d

      Okay if union members are thugs (which they are not for the most part). Then all Banksters are traitors , all Corporates are fraudulently using America as their personal piggy bank without a care in the world for their workers. All those who supported Romney are thieves and crooks and hide their money in foreign accounts. Then they also have no relationship with our Founding Fathers!

  • jopa

    The game was totally rigged in that Obama should have had at least another six million votes.There was so much voter suppression going on in several states by the GOP and even Romney’s son went out and bought hundreds of voting machines to rig the election.One had been in the news quite a bit in that the programmer had done some bad rigging.and it was captured on video.When the person voting pushed the button for Obama the Romney light would come on.The big political issues the GOP lost on were their war on women, tax, immigration and economic stance.They didn’t realize the American public would fact check them and find out to what extent they were lying on every issue and calling the public stupid will get them nowhere.When Romney heard he lost he almost choked on the baloney sandwich he was eating that Fox news had sent over to him.

    • http://personaliberty.com A-New-Hope

      Jopa – do you have a brain tumor or something?

      • http://twitter.com/ajaxada Anthony Jackson (@ajaxada)

        Jopa is spot on. The reason President Obama won is because more than half of America is not educated and know how to do their own research instead of listening to Limbaugh and Hannity. Most of American can see beyong bigots and bigoted ideas. Most of America can see a man’s lips moving saying one thing and saying the exact opposite the next day. I am proud to be a Veteran and an American under this President. All true Americans should get behind this president and stop being stupid. Either way, we will have a new president in 4 years.

    • bob666

      Dam,
      I am impressed with the number of people on this blog who deal with the “real reality” and not the altered state as produced by FOX news (who we know in fair and balanced).

    • Bimbam

      Yeah, I agree the vote was “nigged” in favor of obamA. Now we have women and children leading U.S.

      obamA and all his mothers. MEchelle, Hillary, Nancy, Sotamayor, Kagan, Jarret.

      Did you know women and blacks are considered in the same category as 2nd class citizens?

    • bob666

      Jopa-there is a silent black helo hovering outside your bedroom window as you read this.

  • Vigilannie

    Wow I used to be a fan of yours……NOT ANY MORE….thanks for showing me where YOU stand on abortion!! Killing a baby is killing a baby – does NOT matter if it was a result of rape or not!

  • W.D. Gottschalk

    The Republicans differ from the Democrats only on what they are itching to squander the survival of the Republic to serve the interests of the super rich while trying to appear to be working for the interests of the Republic. Most of the electorate voted for continued federal handouts, most of it going to corporations, not welfare. That is why the days of the Republic are numbered by its eventual bankruptcy and inability to borrow the money it is now operating on. Thanks to the unmitigated greed of both sides of the political spectrum, this party is going to end in ugliness not imagined by 1 in a thousand smug party line voters.

  • cawmun cents

    I told you so……there I said it.-CC.

  • Craig Foster

    Romney lost because the GOP has lost it’s way, aligning with the so called moral majority, or Christian coalition. They have forgotten the founding fathers principle in seperation of church and state. They have forgotten about life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. They have chosen to take a path, that would no longer let a woman choose, and even though I am pro life, I cannot tell someone else what they can or cannot do, they make they’re choice, and in the end, let God be the judge. The same thing applies when it comes to Gay marriage. If two men or women want to marry, let them have the same oppertunities as those that are straight. It is not a special right, it is equal rights, in the end the judgements will come down to them from god, karma, or for those atheist out there, they simply cease to exist and it doesn’t matter anyways. The GOP need to take a hard look at the founding of this country. At the original ideas, that this country was founded on, Freedom, freedom to pursue any path one wishes to go down, one where a person decides for themselves, we have become mired down in so many laws trying to legislate us or protect us from our own stupidity, perhaps thru legislating stupidity, we are weakening the gene pool, becoming a dumber species , by not allowing people to ride they’re motorcycles without helmets if they want, the people dumb enough to do so, are now wearing helmets and not dying in motorcycle accidents. Perhaps those who were to dumb to wear a seat belt, now are forced to by legislation and not getting killed in car wrecks…. And now that weakened gene pool generation, is turned 18 and starting to vote, and that’s why Obama won

  • pacific_waters

    You were either incredibly naive or willfully deluded yourself about the outcome of the election. I suspected that voter fraud alone would propel obama back into the WH. Romney’s lackluster excuse for a campaign should have told from the beginning that he would not win. Until the GOP gets a backbone and plays hockey instead of golf it doesn’t stand a chance of winning and will lose the 2016 presidential electionl as more of our brainwashed youth and amnestied illegal immigrants come online to vote. The GOP is inept at creating a narrative that appeals to people at the level they vote from, emotional. The GOP message was too rational to appeal to the average democratic voter. The dems, as always, promised them nirvana and were successful in persuading them that they haven’t reached nirvana because of those “nasty” republicans.

    • Paul Wells

      There is soooo much truth in what you posted! Thanks for articulating what I’ve been saying, the dem’s are not “rational” enough to understand the GOP message. God help us.

      • Dave67

        What is the GOP message? Then contrast against their record please.

      • eddie47d

        He did get the “nasty republicans” right Paul! Check out the mirror when you head for bed! LOL!

  • Alex

    Wayne Allen Root makes a crucial mistake in advising future Fright Wing candidates to focus on the death throes of Capitalism—a quasi-religion which has never worked anywhere on Earth—rather than advancing the Enlightenment which matters to our youth.

    Unlike most all of my elementary school classmates, I saw through the facade early in life. That was somewhat unusual unless your family also recognized the charade that is the Western Capitalist way of living. Drawing lines in the sand and telling children to die defending them. Placing the acquisition of material above neighborliness, above even the least consideration of the destruction of our only home in search of profit.

    The unmasking of the Unclothed Emperor is more widespread and occurs infinitely faster through the massive exchange available through electronic media. Because of that, Conservatism in general and the GOP and its special needs stepchild Tea Party in particular face a continual slide into irrelevance.

    The economy is in bad shape, yes, but young people are more concerned with building a sustainable future. They would rather heal than exploit the Earth for profit. They do not care who their siblings marry, as long as they are happy. They respect Science and Civility much more than previous generations because they are less indoctrinated.

    Thank God!

  • John Lilleburnes Ghost

    To paraphrase WAR “People just don’t vote for the guy that brings you misery, malaise, foreclosures and bankruptcies,” that is commonsense . WAR is for once is correct; that is why around 70% of the US population including Republican voters realized that the roots of this massive recession started with the Republican administration and its corrupt practices They realized that the Republicans would have thrown the US car industry under the chinese made sbus hence the working class voters of Ohio etc, didnt swing to them. WAR is also right the right-wing view on Women, minorities etc. is repellent to anyone with a modicum of intelligence.
    He is true to form and incorrect regarding voter fraud. The only fraud is that fact 54% of the congressional vote goes to the democrats but due to corrupt practices gerrymandering etc, fraud we end up a republican congress. This too will end.
    As for the taker arguments, it is a fact that the republican base, that is white men age 50-80 are actually the recipients of more governmental handouts than any other group of people in the history of mankind. This according to a recent article in The Economist (a centre-right publication) basically Republicans dont vote to stop handouts instead they vote to stop any else getting them. You will have to get your snouts out of the trough. Lastly a look at the electoral map shows that the blue states are the states pay in and the red states take. This country has to stop carrying your lazy asses.

    • Deerinwater

      Well John what in the world would they do with themselves if they actually had to produce in a way that could benefit anyone besides just themselves?

      It a Child’s game that they play, “Daddy , he hit me!” as the guilt one is the first to cry out. ~ From Reagan to W, they like big government while claiming that they hate it.

      It’s damn comical.

    • eddie47d

      Hipshotpercusion earlier(7:31 am) said that Cuyahoga Country Ohio went to Obama with 99% of vote going to him and that proves voter fraud. Jen at 5:27pm reported the correct results above ( under Hipshot). Its so sad that Republicans feel they have to lie so much to demonize Obama and claim voter fraud.

      • eddie47d

        The total vote count in Philadelphia was 559,180 for Obama and 91,953 for Romney. Gary Johnson received 2,725. (out of 1,785 precincts) That is a solid 85% for Obama so there could be some precincts that were close to 100% for him.

  • cawmun cents

    Put as simply as can be……the Republicans failed to present a viable alternative to what is there now,so the voting public kept what they already had.
    The republicans are guilty of that which in the previous elections in which Dubya won,the Democrats were guilty of….not having anyone worth a rats ass running for President.It is highly likely that they STILL have not yet again learned their lesson,and therefore their party is doomed.
    When you cannot learn from past mistakes,whether your own or that of others,you are doomed to make the same ones over and over.
    The next part of that sentiment comes when the monetary system of the United States of America collapses and they regroup using a new money known as the Amero.This has been and is the design of the Democrats so they can appear to have dodged a bullet and are no longer in debt up to our eyebrows.
    However,there will be the fact that no sane nation will back that new monetary system,because it will lack any good faith in that we will have bilked the Chinese for trillions,and have nobody to help get our system off the floor.Everyone will have no leg to stand on and therefore we will be desperately poor for decades to come while the Amero becomes legit.
    The Republicans are not the only ones with a monopoly on stupid tactics.In fact the Democrats have them beat in so many ways that they cant even see how they have destroyed the only ray of light in this dark and gloomy world.
    The rest of the story has yet to be told.
    But my predictions are not found in the libraries of whatever socialist site or illegitimate novella that anyone else reads,so I just sit and watch them come true while the rest of you ponder these things which you do,thinking that you are seeing facts when none are being presented.
    But what do I know?
    Apparently very little…….
    Cheers
    -CC.

  • sonofjames

    You didn’t mention the possibility that rigged machines “flipped” votes in crucial areas. I no longer have confidence in our voting system. It’s not air-tight at all, and opportunities for mischief abound.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGOgUsfSt6s&feature=related

  • http://merwat Jeanne Haisch

    What America thought was a free and fair election, but what we got was a rigged election. Not only by the media but also electronic voting machines that either did not record the vote or defaulted to Obama,voters voting twice(one via absentee,one at polling place),illegal voters(non-citizens), electronic voting machines from a George Soros funded manufacturer, and finally George Soros funded polling counters and workers

    • bob666

      tell me Jeanne, what color is the sky in your world?

  • http://jeanne merwat

    Never fear we will regroup and the man upstairs will prevail

  • ANDREW ROBINSON

    THE REPUBLICON PARTY IS LIKE SAMPSON IN THE BIBLE THE LANDSCAPE HAD CHANGED SINCE THE LAST ELECTION. A LOT OF MIDDLE AN LOW ER INCOME PEOPLE PEOPLE HAVE VOTED NOT AGAINST ROMNY BUT AGAINST THE WASHINGTON ELETE THAT HAD BEEN ABLE TO BUY A ELECTION UNTILE THIS ONE . WHAT THAY SAW WAS A BLOODLESS REVOLUTION. THAY WERE FED UP WITH BILLIONS BEING STOLE AND THEM GOING WITHOUT. AND NOBODY ANSWERING FOR IT, THAY ARE LIKE SAMPSON THAY SHOOK THEMSELVES AND NOTHING HAPPENED . THAY HAD THERE HAIR CUT AND LIKE SAMPSON IN THE BIBLE THAY DIDENT EVEN KNOW IT. THAY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BUY ANY ELECTION FROM NOW ONE. THAY HAVE CREATED A MONSTER AND NOW THAY DONT KNOW HOW TO HANDLE IT. THE GOVERNBODY HAS DID NOTHING BUT WHAT THE MONEY TOLD THEM TO DO. WHAT THAY HAVE CREATED WILL BE THERE DEMISE ITS ONLY GOING TO GET BIGGER. THAY WILL GET JUST WHAT THAY DESERVE.

    • http://twitter.com/ajaxada Anthony Jackson (@ajaxada)

      I can only assume that you are a republican Andrew. Am I correct?

  • nickkin

    Wayne…..the whole article could have been shortened with a few common words….lies, racial, corruption, anti-god, voter fraud….oh heck..all the 10 commandments. obummer has broken the tablet!

  • http://leethevoice,com Lee Akers

    Romney lost because of the Republican National Committee’s treatment of Ron Paul. Had they treated him with any respect at all, he just might have been in the running. But due to their not only ignoring him, the treated him with a huge lack of respect, driving people away from the GOP as a whole. It died give the Libertarians a nice shot in the arm though.

  • LC

    I feel the true answer to this question is really yours to solve Mr. Root. Being that you are here more or less approved by a man who believes that both parties have failed our society for the better part of 150 years. I would have to conclude that the PLD office must be in hysterical laughter most of the time while monitoring the opinions and debate from both sides of which I semise no one at PLD endorse any longer. Just a rouse for your own personal entertainment. Unfortunately that does absolutely nothing for the better of our society or changing the minds of enough to bring about any true change to our political system. But than again the only thing that our government has ever listened to ( besides MONEY) is war, so there really is no use in trying to sway the masses. Laughter is the best medicine or so they say. Unless of course you intend to encourage the “change needed”, which will only be found in revolt.
    As for the rest of you, ” BOTH SIDES ARE CORRUPTED AND BOUGHT INTO THE ONE WORLD ORDER (SOCIALISM) THAT IS IN OUR FUTURE REGARDLESS WHO WINS…..WE LOSE. May God protect and guide you and your families, LC

    • deerinwater

      Yep, pretty much, ~ we will be assimilated, ~ and that just the way it is. ~ I’m a big science fiction reader.fan~ We need to understand tomorrows world will have different proprieties and different needs. Many of the things we see as important today, will not be important in the far future.

      I had a dream many years ago, it was long after I returned from Nam and it didn’t have anything to do with the war which make it sort of unusual.

      I was flying around late one evening just before sunset, ~ and spied this huge fortified building with a rail spur running the length of one side , protected by a 10 ft chain fence with ribbon razor wire atop.

      I manage to fly down ( I’m dreaming) and sneak pasted all the armed guard and make my way inside. ~ I was being driven by something, ~ something I could not explain,

      The walls were solid cold stone with windows 40 ft above the floor, wide concrete halls and dimly lite while th inside appeared vacant at first and then I heard someone coming , the sound echoing off the hard walls and so I hide behind a large supporting roof column as I watched four men labor to push this heavy steel wheels cart that complained under their load. I”m thinking to myself ~ “Gold!”

      They stop at these huge steel doors while one of the guard unlocks them and then they push the heavy cart inside, ~ I spirit my way inside without detection from behind , taking advantage of the noise and dim lighting and watch them, uncover their loaded cart.

      It’s steel gears! just steel gears ~ the whole room was full of the same steel gear , neatly stack as if they were gold bars, shelf after shelf , ceiling high ~ just gears! .

      Then I recognized them, I had seen these gears before, the few year before I went into the service in fact, These were Huey helicopter transmission gears , it was all the gears I had made for Bell Helicopter before I had entered the service, thousands of them.

      There is no longer a need for this many gears anymore ~ they are all but worthless!

      Then I hear the door slammed closed and being locked from the outside, ~ I’m alone, locked in the dark with all my gears as my panic sets in.

      What does all of this mean?

      I decided that it meant, ~ sometime in our efforts to do well, be responsible , we guard and protect things that have out live their value, use or need. It was a “Bridge On The River Kwai ” dream.

  • Deerinwater

    Attempted to play Santa Clause to Americans with No Capital Gains taxes and cap on deduction that would favor fewer Americans hurt MR.

    Talk of increasing military spending, and balancing the budget by closing unidentified loophole in the Federal tax system and killing off Big Bird hurt MR.

    The way The GOP railroaded Ron Paul, hurt MR.

    All the many insensitive remarks that told people, he knew little about their struggle hurt RM.

    The long candidate selection hurt RM

    His weak show card of just two years of tax returns hurt MR

    Paying 14 % income tax hurt MR.

    Pay attention to people the likes of Norquest and Karl Rove hurt MP.

    Listening to Fox News hurt MR.

    The constant changing of him message hurt MR.

    The constant changing of his position as he moved about the nation hurt MP.

    The GOP brand hurt MR.

    His inner counsel hurt MR.

    His willingness to be what ever he thought people wanted, hurt MR.

    The election was not rigged, that hurt MR.

    The candidate selection process was rigged and hurt MP.

    Let’s face it ~ MITT is not feeling so good today.

    Has the GOP learned anything from all of this? No, they have not, they show us that they are only renewing their old effort to make each news cycle with something that is not news or relevant to today’s issue in some effort to avoid making any meaningful decisions as they attempt to drag opposition down to their level of play.

    GOP has 4 years to find a worthy candidate ~ spend this time well.

    • Jeff

      Whoever is next in line. Is that Chris Christie or Rick Santorum?

  • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

    “People just don’t vote for the guy that brings you misery, malaise, foreclosures and bankruptcies, record unemployment, and inflation at the gas pump and grocery store.”

    The problem with this is that the majority of this country know that Obama didn’t bring this to us. It was already happening when he was elected. If you know of a way to stop any of this based on just someone’s election, what is it?

    We have watched, in disgust, as the House Republicans have tried to blackmail the Senate into conceeding things that should never have been conceeded. They held extending unemployment in order to force the tax cuts that were supposed to be temporary to be extended.

    We watched the House Republican’s run on getting jobs to our citizens, then the day after the election turn around and state that their main goal was to make Obama a one term President.

    Do you remember those? Do you really think that the US citizens are stupid enough to NOT remember those?

  • Kay

    Mr. Root,

    “The real answer is to run candidates who are fiscally conservative and principled, but socially moderate and modern. The GOP needs candidates who say “Roe vs. Wade is the law of the land. I will uphold it, even though my personal views are pro-life. And I will always support exceptions for rape, incest and when a mother’s life is in danger. Period.” The issue is off the table forever. What’s left? The economy and jobs, winning issues for the GOP.”

    I agree with a lot of what you say, but I don’t agree with compromising beliefs just to get elected. Isn’t that what causes a lot of our problems already?

    How much more when the beliefs you are compromising have to do with human life.

    Ron Paul was right when he said that we will never truly resolve our liberty issues until we settle the issue of the right to life for all human beings.

    I think you’re looking at secondary causes. Our problems that are caused by the Fed’s mismanagement, the government’s overspending, people voting for handouts, etc. are just secondary causes.

    But God controls all things. He is the primary cause. We should be repenting and begging Him for mercy. I don’t claim to know the mind of God, but I do believe He is judging this nation for the blood of 53 million innocent lives. The people have demanded what they want, and they are getting what they deserve.

    I fear that we increase God’s judgment and bring more wrath on this nation by compromising human life.

    The unborn are just as human as those who have been born. What if Hitler’s cronies justified the murder of Jews to save the economy?

    What if we were talking about toddlers? Should a mother have the right to kill her two-year-old to save her own life? Or if the child was conceived as a result of rape? Should we ever support such legislation?

    Remember that after conception, nothing more is added except for food.

    Hitler justified murder by claiming that the Jews were not human. The same argument used in regard to the unborn.

    I realize that you may be pro-life. But I hope you can agree that human life is more important than the economy.

    • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

      “Hitler justified murder by claiming that the Jews were not human. The same argument used in regard to the unborn.”

      I’ve never heard that argument being used. I’ve heard that we don’t know when a fetus becomes a separate being. There is a big, big difference.

      Those of us who are pro-choice do not believe that we have the right to make such a personal decision for another human being. We do, however, realize that education cuts the rates of abortion by quite a lot.

      • Kay

        “Those of us who are pro-choice do not believe that we have the right to make such a personal decision for another human being.”

        If you cannot prove that the fetus is not human, then it is immoral to abort the baby. The baby’s right to life trumps anyone’s right to personal choice.

        • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

          “If you cannot prove that the fetus is not human, then it is immoral to abort the baby. The baby’s right to life trumps anyone’s right to personal choice.”

          I have never, at any time, said that a human fetus is not human.

  • Rebecca

    Did Obama really win the election fair and square or was it stolen? I have read numerous reports of election fraud that occurred on November 6, such as people voting more than once, illegals voting, absentee ballots where the voters chose Romney being torned up by Progressive activist, and once again the Black Panthers were out intimidating would be voters and poll watchers. No, contrary to what many commiters parrot, the people have not spoken. The people’s voice was silenced by the Progressive Elitest. Liberty did not win on November 6, 2012–it died!

    • bob666

      Rebecca,
      what color is the sky in your world? there is only one black panther left and he uses a walker to get around

    • Jeff

      “I have read numerous reports.” Is that the best you can do? Can you cite them or are they all from Glenn Beck? I have read reports Romney planned to sell the White House to China. I just can’t remember where. But trust me, they’re there.

  • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

    “Did Obama really win the election fair and square or was it stolen?”

    I believe that he won the election fair and square.

    “I have read numerous reports of election fraud that occurred on November 6, such as people voting more than once, illegals voting, absentee ballots where the voters chose Romney being torned up by Progressive activist, and once again the Black Panthers were out intimidating would be voters and poll watchers.”

    Do you have any facts to backs these accusations up? If you have facts, not just allegations, please post the links to them.

    No, contrary to what many commiters parrot, the people have not spoken. The people’s voice was silenced by the Progressive Elitest. Liberty did not win on November 6, 2012–it died!”

    No, your candidate simply lost the election.

    • Bimbam

      If you stop looking at politcical porn sites, like MSNBC there are reports of Somalians (real skinny negroes) showing up at polling booths in Maine. People say they know of no negroes that live anywhere near them.

      Some precints reported 100% of people did not vote for Romney. Now you know that is impossible unless fraud or extreme bias was present. In another words CHEATING.

      • Dave67

        The only election shinanegans is occurring in AZ where 300k ballots (from heavily hispanic districts) are yet to be counted.

        Conservatives cannot believe the spanking they took in the election might be because of their positions, use of fear and division and that the bankster loving Tricky Mitt, might be a phoney.

      • Jeff

        First, in an inner-city, Black precinct, do you expect Romney would get any votes? Second, while Maine is a largely white state, Portland has a Black population of 7%. I would assume many of those are “recent” immigrants from Africa

      • Bimbam

        I was wrong then. This was all-out racism committed by the racist Demoncrap party. My apologies!

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        “If you stop looking at politcical porn sites”

        lol You have no idea what I read and what I don’t, so stop with the dramatics.

  • Toy

    The people have already lost all their freedoms, so why vote to lose your Benefits as well?

  • rusureuwant2know

    I am disgusted whenever I hear that Romney lost because he was too conservative. No, he lost the conservatives who were sick and tired of having a liberal shoved down their throats. The mandate was not to the President – it was to the Republican party leaders to reform their party and take a serious stand for smaller government.

  • Howlingmad

    “WHAT WENT WRONG” ? . . . was “EASY” to see. The REPUBLICANS decided to go AGAINST the “TEA PARTY”, an simply to go with the “STAIDEST QUO” . . . “THIS”, is the RESULT. The NEXT election, the TEA PARTY will be the NEW, “OFFICIAL”. . . THIRD PARTY. ( Provided, we actually . . . “LIVE THAT LONG” ) Frankly, I don’t think that we WILL . . . .

  • http://google Ernie

    I must disagree with you when you say a fiscal conservative and a principled social. We need to stop running (moderates) and run a person who is a social and fiscal conservative. A christian would be nice who articulates God, family, state and country.

  • Anti-Government

    The republicans, the party of Lincoln, has lost its way. It was once concerned about the plight of the poor and the minorities. No longer, it has become a party of the rich and Romney Ryan exemplify this. These two proclaimed that we can all get tax cuts, increase military spending and balance the budget. The cuts that he would make would have to be made to the programs for the poor. People are smart enough to know that Romney Ryan would make someone pay and that would be the poor. Until the republicans start working for 100% of us and not just the top 2% they will find themselves at the losing side of elections.

    • Tom

      Hopefully money no longer buys the electorate, despite the obscenely gross amount spent. I am encouraged.

  • black as coal

    sad sad, america criticizes third world voting, that its fraud and rigged, well, it was rigged here in the usa too.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

    Fascism Anyone?

    While we Americans have been trained to keenly identify the opposite of fascism, i.e., government intrusion into and usurpation of private enterprise, -we have not been trained to identify the usurpation of government by private enterprise-. It’s the Corporate State, Stupid!!!

    14 defining characteristics of Fascism:

    1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.

    2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.

    3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame forfailures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and“terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.

    4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.

    5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.

    6. A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses.

    7. Obsession with national security. Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting “national security,” and questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous.

    8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. Unlike communist regimes, the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite’s behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the “godless.” A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion.

    9. Power of corporations protected. Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens.

    10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.

    11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.

    12. Obsession with crime and punishment. Most of these regimes maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse. “Normal” and political crime were often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or “traitors” was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more police power.

    13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example, by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.

    14. Fraudulent elections. Elections in the form of plebiscites or public opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the election machinery, intimidating an disenfranchising opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.

    Does any of this ring alarm bells? Of course not. After all, this is America, officially a democracy with the rule of law, a constitution, a free press, honest elections, and a well-informed public constantly being put on guard against evils. Historical comparisons like these are just exercises in verbal gymnastics. Maybe, maybe not.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4113.htm

    • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

      This sounds like the GOP. Even more like the Tea Party.

      • bob666

        Yes, as Hitler said, tell a lie often enough and the Tea party will send it arounf the world via email until it is an urban legend and hold it to the same level as the bible.

  • http://TheRichDontPayTax.com/ John Gaver

    There are two more reasons why Romney lost and together, they could have made the difference, even if nothing else changed. In several battleground states, the margin was close enough that two groups could have easily made the difference, without the GOP pandering to groups that never have and never will support them.

    1. Millions of religious bigots refused to vote in the Presidential election, because they didn’t think that Romney was Christian enough. This was a huge group and may have been enough to make the difference, alone.

    2. Libertarian looneys, once again, just couldn’t pull themselves away from their predilection for voting for losers long enough to save this nation. In a few states, such as Florida, their votes alone, would have made the difference. Add the votes of Libertarians to those of the religious bigots and as Mr. Root predicted, Romney would have won by a landslide.

    There’s just no accounting for or predicting how bigoted or stupid people can be. Just when you think that the human race is beginning to crawl out of the mire of bigotry and obdurate pipe dreams that has kept us from being all that we could be, large numbers of evolutionary throwbacks prove that there is no limit to human conceit.

    • Motov

      And who is at fault here?,.. The RINOS are for silencing the Ron Paul crowd after ripping off his Maine votes, and then expected Ron Paul to throw his support for more of the same governmental policies that has gotten us into this trouble in the first place?
      Do you believe in the Constitution? if so,…. Why would anyone want a candidate who will shred whatever is left of that document? Romney is owned by the same people who own Obama. Both are puppets of very wealthy “Wall Street” people.

  • charles

    You were endorsing a satanist over a Christian. God allows us in the US to choose our leaders, but you didn’t possibly believe he’d actually let satan slip into the white house did you? ROFL

    • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

      “You were endorsing a satanist over a Christian. God allows us in the US to choose our leaders, but you didn’t possibly believe he’d actually let satan slip into the white house did you? ROFL”

      W T H are you talking about? LDS members have nothing to do with Satan. Neither does Romney.

  • Old Henry

    Wayne:

    You seem to be a very intelligent person, but you said something very ignorant in your presentation. Marco Rubio cannot be president. He IS NOT a Natural Born Citizen. His parents were NOT U.S. citizens at the time of his birth in May of ’71, they were only LEGAL RESIDENTS which means they were still Cuban Citizens. If Marco cannot be president it makes zero sense to have him a V.P.

    We already have an illegal camped in our White House. We do not need another one.

    For someone who is supposedly a “Constitutionalist” touting Rubio is a very ignorant thing to say.

    • Jeff

      What is your definition of “natural born citizen” and from whence does the definition come?

    • bob666

      Yo Henry,
      The reason that you can’t call Rubio a Latino is; Cubans and only Cubans get automatic asylum when they hit the beach here in Florida. Rubio was born here in Miami and why his parents might not have been naturalized citizens, he is a “anchor” baby and thus a citizen of the good old US of A. While I don’t believe he would have made a dent as a running mate (VP), he might have delivered Florida and it just would not have mattered.

      So Henry, who is the ignorant one now?????

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        “Rubio was born here in Miami”

        This is ALL that is needed to be a natural born citizen. Anyone who says differently is either lying or deluded.

        • bob666

          deluded-in the worse way.

  • jopa

    I remember reading on these pages here a few weeks ago how the Democrats are going to be crying foul and screaming bloody murder that the whole election was a fraud and calling for childish recounts.My my my how things just happened to swing to an about face.Ass they say “Let the best man win” and he did.Others on here have said God will decide who will win and they also should sit back and respect her decision.Or maybe God was a he.No matter how great we are all doing in four years I am sure even the millionaires will be complaining because they all want to be billionaires.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear jopa,

      You write: “No matter how great we are all doing in four years I am sure even the millionaires will be complaining because they all want to be billionaires.” We will all be billionaires soon. But that’s not good. http://personalliberty.com/2010/10/13/you-dont-want-to-be-a-billionaire/

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • JimH

    Pure and simple. Obama could not have been reelected without the vote of much of the Christian Community. Or they think they are Christians. For a Christian to vote for Evil to rule is a sorry thing but more of them voted but most of them voted for Obama. Romney is a Mormon. To the fundamentalist, Mormonism is a cult.

    • Nancy Cornish

      If you go to Conservative Byte.com go to the article “Electronic Ballots were rigged?” and listen to the testimony of a computer programmer who wrote a program that would flip the results of an election on voting machines, you will see what actually happened in many parts of our country in many races including the presidential race. I’ve felt for a long time that we need to go back to having one Dem and one Rep count ALL ballots and not use machines.

      • Nancy Cornish

        Hello Jim H, I know many Mormons and I know them to love the Lord Jesus Christ just as much as any fundamentalist Christian. There is a big misunderstanding of the Mormon religion because of some factions which went astray. The Mormons I know are the kindest, most caring, most loving Christians I ever met. Before you continue to call them a cult, please go out and find a few and spend some time with them to see what they really think and believe. Don’t go on what someone else told you.

  • Freedomlover

    It is hard to believe ! why not recount all the votes and inspect all the machine? Man made the machine then man can control and command it.

  • ANDREW ROBINSON

    ANDREW ROBINSON THAY WILL KEEP DOING WHAT THAY ARE DOING UNTIL THAY CANT DO IT ANY MORE . THEN THINGS WIIL CHANGE FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE.

  • Dr Brahamchari Vedmitra Tripathi

    Dear Sir, Not what you think but world says. I have got big faith in Lord Obama.. Do you? I know u will say crazy but situation changes. Do not worry. What u want now coming in ur way. cos I and many wanted what happened upto now. For that Sorry sorry n sorry. I know its not enough but life is here….. Chance is given to Lord Obama. Look now what HE can perform the best to America n for Americans.

  • LC

    Simple.. By design. There’s no way for me to possibly believe it any other way. A person would have to be a complete embicile and surrounded by the same to think that making statements alienating and insulting half of the American people would ever win you enough votes to win. I don’t care who he thought he was talking too at the time. ill advised? no way! not possible! I have more respect for mankinds intelligence than that, including Mitt and his gang of advisors. Had to be intended. As was the blantant disrespect of Dr. Paul and all he had brought to the rally. These are calculated men who triple quadruple think every move before they execute. Brainstorming of at least a dozen professional thinkers and feelers or more before taking a single step. COME ON PEOPLE WAKE UP!! A complete snow job bought and paid for by yours truly… NWO

  • M. Chittenden

    I believe that the American people were outraged at the attempts made
    by Conservatives to suppress voters they considered Liberal. These
    voters endured long lines in order to vote.
    Had the conservatives acted fairly, perhaps, some of these people would
    have stayed at home.

  • John Beach

    What the election said was that the new demographic does not care about the laws of the old order and is now going to try to force change by majority rule. With the exception of African-American descendants of slaves, the new demographic consists of people whose roots in the U.S. don’t go back much more than 50 years. Regardless of the results of the recent election, the real question is whether we will allow the gradual dismantling of our system by an acquiescence to the majority rule in elections which wants a sharing of the rewards of labor without any of the labor. It is not, nor ever has been, enough for workers to simply “unite,” it has always been necessary to work. What we have seen during the past four years is the rewarding of labor for uniting to maintain power, but no work representing the wisdom and strategic planning of political power. If the end justifies the means. Removing the end will eliminate the necessity for means. Who needs the goal or end anyway? We need a total moratorium on immigration and an austerity plan to correct our domestic problems and our financial mess.

    • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

      “the new demographic consists of people whose roots in the U.S. don’t go back much more than 50 years.”

      How do you know this?

  • Greg

    Results Cuyahoga County Ohio 2912 Presidential Election:
    Registered voters 927,996
    Votes Cast 617,141
    Votes for Barack Obama 420,953
    Votes for Mitt Romney 184,475
    You need to quit reading the Tea Party’s Facebook page! They have since removed the lies you repeated about the election results…

  • 57girl

    Ron Paul should have been the GOP Candidate. Had that been the case, I think the GOP would have taken the White House. People want REAL change. Romney and Obama are simply two sides of the same coin. Sadly, since Obama can’t run again (unless he dreams up and carries through an executive order assigning himself as a permanent President (which I wouldn’t doubt he’d try to do)), he has nothing to lose by openly catering to his puppet masters. Romney would have at least had to pretend that he was working on behalf of the citizens.

    In Contrast, Dr. Paul would have tried to restore our Constitution and our Sovereignty. I suspect, he’d have been assassinated before taking his oath of office had he run, then won, though.

    Our Government is so filled will corruption, I doubt, short of a Revolution, we’ll ever see our Nation in her full glory again.

    My heart breaks for the America I once knew. We as United States Citizens, must stand together, and ironically enough, it might take seceding from the whole to save the Nation.

    We can not simply let the NWO Elite take over our Nation, which is exactly where we are headed. The same would be true under a Romney Presidency. Romney was a member of the CFR, just as Obama is … check out their end goal. Google Agenda 21.

  • http://none ron

    All presidents have puppet masters. It’s been that way since Vanderbuilt, Rockefeller ,Carnegie and J.P. Morgan. In the modern era (ours) the consolidated banking system runs the country. The best you can hope for is to roll with the punches and work through it with what you’ve got.
    Wayne Root is no longer relevant and should be let go.

  • Bill Evans

    Romney lost because true Liberty voters couldn’t distinguish between him and Obama…If Republicans wanted to win they should have run Ron Paul…Romney was rude and stupid, no doubt about it…

  • https://www.charter.com Rev. Jerry L. Robertson

    Wayne, ~ Your anaylsis that you have offered for how you missed, has only glossed over the reality of things! I can provide you more that enough facts and evidence that specifically point to the truth and actual cause for the outcome of this fiasco that occurred on November 6, 2012! Actually, Franklin Graham, recently hit the nail right on the head, in his assessment as he appeared on CBN, just a few days ago. When he declared: “US Has Turned It’s Back on GOD”! Yes, this takes you back, doesn’t it. Of course, there is much more about this. To help you better get a handle on things, let me suggest that you acquire a copy of a new publication, that was released on Jan.31, 2012! Get a copy of the book: ‘The Harbinger’ by Jonathan Cahn. You were correct in your original supposition that was published on Nov. 1, 2012… It should have been the outcome, if only the Christians had been praying; able to hear GOD; and actually got up and went to vote!
    ALL IN WITH JESUS CHRIST ~ Director of MINISTRY of JESUS CHRIST….Rev. Jerry L. Robertson (jldd21@charter.net) also we are on Facebook!

    • bob666

      yes, when you lose, bring God into the equation, Oh forgive me-that is math and the GOP is against math and science because they are fact driven.

    • Jeff

      Franklin Graham is fortunate his father was born before him or he’d be a used car salesman. Billy Graham, while showing his ugly side in recorded conversations with Nixon, was basically a reasonable ambassador from the religious zealot community to the reality community. Franklin is a moron who seems eager to launch a new crusade against the entire Muslim World. Thank goodness he has no power to do anything. Anyone who believes anything he says is simply stupid.

    • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

      “When he declared: “US Has Turned It’s Back on GOD”!”

      Sorry, wrong number! Pat Robertson has tried this guilt by association and it didn’t work for him either. God does not choose between his children, and HE is the one who decides who are his children – not you, and nobody else.

  • Kath

    I think Paul Ryan has the most defensible opinion concerning abortion, among ‘conservatives’. No means no. This wishy-washy ‘not in cases of rape/incest/mother’s life’ is just more rationalization. Either you think the baby is paramount or you don’t. The best choice, I think, is to keep it legal and leave the decision up to the individual. The anti-abortion faction can educate all they like. They will more easily change minds and hearts by educating rather than legislating. Also, to the git who said Romney was ‘rude’…compared to what? He was too much a gentleman the whole campaign, unlike Barry who is a petulant, inept grouch.

    • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

      “The best choice, I think, is to keep it legal and leave the decision up to the individual. The anti-abortion faction can educate all they like. They will more easily change minds and hearts by educating rather than legislating.”

      I agree. Those of us who are pro-choice, also, believe that education is the key. And it has been proven that those who have had “health” lessons are those who get pregnant less and have fewer abortions. Making a decision to have an abortion is something that is thought out and not a decision that is made lightly.

  • Brenda

    What went wrong? Chicago politics when wrong. When you have 51 districts in one city that show ZERO votes for a candidate there is something wrong and that’s what happened. Romney got zero votes in that area. Another district that had 1900 votes showed zero for Romney. Republican were kicked out of voting locations in an entire city, tell me nothing under the table happened there. Many places the vote wasn’t even finished being counted until the next after noon. I even heard over a month ago the news reporting that machines had been discovered tampered with so they would register Obama no mater what was voted. Dishonest voting practice and tampering is what went wrong. If all was above board we’d be looking at a very different next four years. He didn’t win, not honestly anyway. It didn’t help that 130,000,000 lazy and/or stupid registered Republicans didn’t vote for Romney. If you voted for an alternate candate because you for some reason didn’t like Romney than you voted by default for Obama. I you didn’t vote for because you didn’t like Romney or any other reason than you voted for Obama. Oh, and did our troops get their absentee ballots because the last I heard the answer was they weren’t going to get to vote. So rather it was looking at polls or desire that made the author predict Romney would win doesn’t matter, he wasn’t being realistic with who we were going against. Obama’s not going honestly or easily and he will try to get a third term.

    P.S. I’m sick of hearing about Ron Paul. Economically he is good but many of his views are just a bad ideas. He’s never going to be President so you guys need to find another candidate and get behind someone who can possible win. You are part of the reason we lost, if you voted for him instead of Romney. This election wasn’t about if you did or didn’t like Romney it was about if you wanted four more years of Obama. If you voted for Paul you said you would rather vote for someone with no chance of winning and have Obama put us farther in the hole than get someone in the Oval Office that could pull us out of the mess Obama’s made. So don’t complain when things get worse, and they will, because your part of the reason we are in this mess now.

    • bob666

      Brenda,
      reading your post makes me like Ron Paul that much more.

    • http://google brand inspector

      Brenda,
      Read the book ” Dirty American Scorndrel” and see how corupt, from is beginning the socialist democrat party and their followers have been in corrupting every election. The same standrads of voter rigginng, stealing and destroying voting records and votes, are used. So this crap that goes on, is just a never ending prooven method of voter rigging and fraud. Just check out NY and Chitcago political sernerios, the more weird, whorish, and abhorant to social norms the higher, in the party an individual will rise.

      • bob666

        Good point, 2000 and 2004 are excellent examples of your comments.

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    G. O. P. Should have embraced Donald Trump!!!

  • Steve Schitt

    It is very possible, that the election was STOLEN, since many people were allowed to vote, without showing PROPER ID.. just a utility bill.. There were several other factors as well.. However, i don’t think that Romney was 100% committed to win… not really.. In fact, it’s very possible, that he “took a dive” on purpose.. Romney should NEVER have won the Republican Nomination, for many different reasons.. At this point, i no longer have any respect for the Republican party, or the democraps either… When you vote for the “Lesser of two evils”, (instead of voting your conscience) you end up with an EVIL WINNER… And all this is just another reason, why we the people need to form the required 2/3 majority, (34 states) and bypass congress, the supreme court and the puppident, which is completely CONSTITUTIONAL… Just dump the federal government like a bad habit, and take back our country…

    • Jeff

      You really can spout and re-spout the same nonsense, ad nauseum, without ever saying a thing. Maybe you could run for office as long as you live in Alabama.

      • http://google brand inspector

        Jeff,
        Run in for any election race no matter how minor, and see the BS and money from the masster headquarters to impelement lies, personal attacks, and thuggery guided by the socialist democrat party, from federal to county levels. Only difference between state and federal offices, is the level of intemadations and goonish behaviors employed by the socialist dems. These methods of thuggery has steadly increased since the 80′s as more incedinces get reported. This ties into the fraud foisted on USA by mental morons who voted for the rabble inciter now in the WH. Both Onumnutts and lick Willy have long ties to antiUSA radicals and dictators and all totalitian rulers that they embrace in more ways than normal.

  • bob666

    Burn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Don

    What went wrong is the Black people voted for a Black man not what he has to make life better but strictly for the color of his skin. Every other race of people voted for him for what he said he would give them free of charge and these people did show their ignorance in believing him.

    • bob666

      Seriously Don? Think about these facts as you are lighting up a cross this weekend:
      42 million-The number of people who identified as black, either alone or in combination with one or more other races, in the 2010 Census. They made up 13.6 percent of the total U.S. population. The black population grew by 15.4 percent from 2000 to 2010.

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        Not to mention that blacks traditionally vote for Dems.

  • Lawrence

    First, you and I know they picked a loser. 2ND, Those who are on unemployment for over a year have gotten used to ayears paid vacation; with some exceptions of course. They know when it runs out they can get welfare checks. So they voted to stay on the gravey train. 3RD, do you think it really mattered who got elected?

  • Jimbo

    The problem is Wayne, you underestimated the stupidity of the American electorate. They know more about rock musicians and alternative lifestyles than they do about Capitalism and the Constitution.

    • Lisa

      Could be people getting tired of “Capitalism” exporting our jobs out of the country and then dissing us as “47%” who aren’t going to vote for him anyway! I would have been surprised if Romney won after losing both Massachusetts and Michigan! Did he have ANY positions that were either better or different from Obama to encourage voters to choose him? I mean other than “he’s not Obama”…

  • Ad Man

    Good luck with Socialism Lisa

  • George

    One of the main reasons that Obama won was the grassroots efforts of the government unions who use their enormous group of field workers to get out the vote. The book Shadow Bosses by Mallory Factor points all this out. They do this by using their union dues taken from workers who don’t agree with what they are using them for. The Employee Rights Act, HR 2810, introduced in the House in Aug 2011, has a number of provisions which would reduce union influence greatly and has 70% or more support of both union and non union workers. This info is spelled out in detail on their website employeerightsact.com. The bill has been sitting in the House Education and the Workforce Committee since it was introduced. We need to press to get it out of committee and passed by the House and then put on a full court press on the internet, talk radio and the press to force Democrats in the Senate to approve it or face a real likelihood of being voted out in 2014 when 20 are up for reelection. This would force Obama to veto something that is supported by over 70% of the voters. Let’s put the pressure on and level the playing field for Republicans.

  • Dee

    Marco Rubio is NOT eligible to be vice president or president.

    • Jeff

      When you are queen, you can issue decrees. For now, it’s just opinion and unsupported opinion at that. I wouldn’t ever vote for Rubio, but I see no indication he’s ineligible to be President. The term “natural born citizen” is not defined in the Constitution, and none of the decisions that are supposed to limit the term to those whose lineage can be traced to the Mayflower say no such thing. If someone was born in the U.S., he is presumptively qualified to be President. If you think otherwise, the burden of proof is on you.

    • bob666

      Born in Miami, Florida-Natural born citizen-just as qualified as you are, assuming that you were born here. Now, is he capable, that one is on the table for debate.

    • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

      Yes, he is eligible. You just don’t want him to be because that would mean that Obama is eligible, too. THAT you don’t want to admit.

  • JohnR

    The Romney campaign, and the GOP, have been accused of living in a bubble. We should thank Mr. Root for this factual, reality-based analysis. You, like me, have probably tired of all the other hand-wringing about what went wrong, and what the GOP needs to do. In the spirit of Mr. Root, I’d like to offer some “raw data” – a snapshot of opinion that is NOT sliced and diced, filtered and evaluated, and is definitely not enclosed by a bubble.

    You would probably agree that while The New York Times often lists to the left, it is still one of the few great newspapers left in the world. Regardless, the quality of comments in The Times is, IMHO, generally superb. I’ve reproduced, from hundreds of comments regarding this topic, eight comments from those that readers rated the highest for “The Demographic Excuse”, dated 11/10/12, at

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/opinion/sunday/douthat-the-gops-demographic-excuse.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20121111.

    The article was written by Ross Douthat, The Times resident (token?) right wing politics guy. If you start to read these comments and begin to huff and to puff, I suggest you quit reading and move on. You’re probably part of the problem, not the solution. Why? Because these people are intelligent and thoughtful folks from across the political spectrum – no bubble – who took the time to think about the GOP’s election losses, and went to the trouble to write about them. Conversely, we should all welcome your own thoughtful and intelligent reactions – I’m hoping this post is an aid to your thinking. The eight comments here are only a sampling from Mr. Douthat’s article; there are many more good ones, should you be interested.

    Comments:
    ——————————
    (1) Josh Hill, New London

    I couldn’t agree more. The Republican Party lost this election because it has become an extremist party, rather than a reality-based one.

    While my own political views are liberal, I believe that this country needs a responsible right-leaning party to counterbalance the Democrats. Instead, today’s GOP denies Keynesian economics and global warming. It uses the threat of default to blackmail the country into demolishing popular, beneficial, and necessary programs like Medicare to perpetuate economically irresponsible tax cuts. It fights senseless rear guard battles against women’s and gay rights. It rejects sane candidates like Huntsman and after running through the true crazies, chooses a supposed “moderate” who wants to voucherize Medicare, abolish FEMA, and fire Big Bird, expresses contempt for 47% of the public, and says on national TV that it’s right that he pays a lower tax rate than working people.

    And then Republicans wonder why they lost the election.

    For its own good and that of the country, the Republican Party has to free itself from the unreasoning extremism of Fox, Limbaugh, and the Koch Brothers, and recover its sanity.

    Nov. 10, 2012 at 8:12 p.m.

    ——————————
    (2) Winning Progressive, Chicago, IL

    You are correct that an agenda that “opposes an overweening and intrusive state while still recognizing that “government can give average people a hand up to achieve the American Dream,” and that focuses on “reforming and streamlining government while also addressing middle-class anxieties about wages, health care, education and more” already exists. It is the agenda of today’s Democratic Party.

    The GOP’s problem is two-fold. First, they reject that agenda with the conflicting messages that: (1) recognizing a role for government is tantamount to socialism, and (2) any efforts to curb skyrocketing health care costs is an attack on people’s Medicare. In short, rather than being a partner in determining the proper role for government and then how to fill that role most effectively, today’s conservatives both reject such government and fear monger about any efforts to make government more effective.

    Second, the GOP’s demographic problem is not simply about their anti-immigration stance. It is that much of their messaging over the last four years has involved an unhealthy obsession with trying to portray its opponents as an “un-American other” rather than simply people with whom they have ideological differences.

    If the GOP wants to be taken as a serious political party, it needs to offer serious ideas and proposals, not simply fearmongering and divisiveness.

    Nov. 10, 2012 at 7:50 p.m.

    ——————————
    (3) JMM., Ballston Lake, NY

    Is it too much to expect that the GOP just stand for what it believes in and let the people come or not versus figuring out how to market itself? You’re a political party not Diet Coke. I’ll tell you why Mr. Romney lost: 1) No one trusts the guy and 2) Your party is negative and angry. Mr. Romney’s actual positions were indiscernable. He was obviously a complete panderer with no backbone whatsoever. So, I was left to take him at his word from the primaries. Severely conservative Mitt.

    Your party is a haven for more extremists than the democrats. Alan West, Michelle Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, Herman Caine, Todd Aikin, Joe Walsh. The list goes on. All taking pledges to an unlected guy named Grover and anti-science. You have this right-wing echo chamber on talk radio and Fox that is just riddled with entitled, angry people. “Take our country back.” God knows how to categorize Donald BirtherTrump. And the Tea Party went from being justifiably annoyed at the bail outs to sporting signs with our president with a Hitler mustache. And then there is the insipid, self-serving, unpatriotic, relentless obstruction in the House. And you think this is just demographics or a “message problem?”

    Shed the loons, stop the simplistic government-bad message, no more rape talk, cooperate with our president, I might give you second look.

    Nov. 11, 2012 at 9:38 a.m.

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    (4) charles, san francisco

    Why did it take so long for you to realize any of this? You seem to be more concerned with saving the Republican party than with actually figuring out what is best for this country. As an Asian American entrepreneur and investor, I represent the bulls-eye of what Republicans claim they stand for: hard work, family values, and fiscal conservatism (I have never run a balance on my credit card). So why did I and 75% of my fellow Asian Americans vote for Obama?

    1. Education: Most of us are from families that could not afford private school. We went to public schools, studied like crazy, and now are considered the “model minority”. We are not “takers”; public schools were our ladder out of poverty, and we are now “makers”. When you demonize intellectuals and ridicule smart people, you are putting down everything we have worked so hard to achieve. The Republicans want to destroy public education. We would rather fix it.

    2. Science: Asians are stereotyped as science nerds. Well, Asian or not, 99% of people who have studied science know that the earth was not created 6000 years ago; that man evolved from other species; that climate change is real. It is not only offensive, but frightening, when you side with people who deny any of these realities.

    3. Humanity: We may not have suffered as much as blacks and gays, but we know what it is to be persecuted and excluded.

    You do not have to become liberals to save the GOP. Just become a little more honest.

    Nov. 11, 2012 at 4:39 a.m.

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    (5) amichigan, ny

    It seems to me that a very important element is being ignored, and that is the sheer personal unpleasantness of so many Republican candidates. Ideology and policies aside, too many of them come across as strident, or arrogant, or entitled, and often just plain mean-spirited. Few of us like being told what to do by a candidate who seems to say “I don’t care what you think you want, I know what’s best for you … elect me so I can force it on you.”

    Nov. 11, 2012 at 9:40 a.m.

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    (6) Terry, Smith

    Taking the example of Latinos, does Mr. Douhatt imagine that a more nuanced policy on immigration will erase their memory of Joe Arpaio? Of the Arizona ‘papers please’ law that the GOP praised as a model for the nation? Of alligator-filled moats and electric fences.

    Will a few well-place panders make young women forget that the Republicans called them sluts?

    Will a few more speeches in black neighborhoods outweigh the photohops of Obama with a bone through his nose, so beloved by county GOP committees across the nation?

    I am a 61-year-old white male executive. I will not forget these insults, and I won’t forget the sneering contempt with which your party and your pundits offered them.

    Nov. 11, 2012 at 5:13 a.m.

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    (7) Matt C., VT

    I believe Governor Romney is a fine, patriotic American, just like President Obama. As a middle-aged, white, church-going, married American, it never crossed my mind to vote for Governor Romney, because his economic policy, so-called, and that of the Republican party in general, is that what America really needs is another honking big tax cut for folks who, by any rational measure, don’t need it and, if they got it, wouldn’t do much of anything different to grow the economy. President Obama’s economic policy is that it’s better to reduce the
    deficit, which would help the economy, than to give a ineffectual tax cut pretty much to just the top earners in the country. Strange to say, but the Democrats have become the party for fiscal conservatives, like me, who believe you ought to pay for what you get, and the Republicans have become the party of waste.

    Nov. 11, 2012 at 5:13 a.m

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    (8) Douglas, Minneapolis

    There is a very big difference between the GOP of Ronald Reagan’s day and the modern variant that you do not discuss, Ross. Ronald Reagan’s Republican Party did not demonize everyone who is not an ultra-conservative. In Reagan’s day, a centrist was not vilified with epithets like “America Hater, Socialist, Fascist, Good-for-nothing, Liberal Scum,etc.” If you drew a Venn diagram of different circles of conservatism, anybody in ANY part of the diagram was included when Reagan ran for office. Today, if you aren’t within ALL of the circles, you are labelled as the enemy.

    Rush, Ann, Bill, Sean, Glenn, and Karl dished out hate and extremism for the last 12 years and inflamed our fellow countrymen into demands for extreme policies on abortion, social security, welfare, taxation, religion, gays, affirmative action, and collective bargaining. They called the elected president a fraud and a non-citizen. Those people are the ones who cost you the election. Many Americans not thrilled with Obama’s performance nevertheless made certain that they went out to the polls because you people scared them half to death.

    Give me a rational and inclusive conservative party, and I might vote for them. Gary Johnson, Jon Huntsman, and a score of other candidates qualify. But if you call me the enemy and gleefully threaten to disenfranchise me at the polls, at work, and in my own home because I don’t agree with you and your church, you’ll never get my vote. Never.

    Nov. 11, 2012 at 7:59 a.m.

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  • Paul

    Lets add to the Republican defeat this web site, which constantly bombarded conservatives with the following:
    1. Romney is a RINO not conservative enough>This played to the Ron Paul/Johnson Libertarian vote which was significant in Florida.

    2. Constant insults from Evangelicals about Romney being a member of a “cult”. INcluded in this was the false idea that voting for Romney or Obama was a vote for Satan.

    3. Infanticide primary during which the candidates, especially Rick Perry and His minister from Dallas, called Romney anti christian and a “vulture capitalist” The entire primary played into the Democrats campaign to paint Romney as a heartless cold capitalist.

    4. The continued problem of ultra conservatives insisting that every conservative agree with them or they were “liberals”.

    5. I think that many of the Republicans who stayed home were swayed by the bigotry espoused by this web site and others that they would never vote for a Mormon.

    • bob666

      Paul,
      you are one in twenty that sees reality, the others just lie to themselves

  • old farter

    What went wrong??? Voting started in 2009, millions of aliens snuck back & forth across the border to pump themselves up by voting. Trumpedka resurrected old wagon trains to haul drunks, vegitables, & union thugs back & forth from state to state & pillar to post to vote here, there, & everywhere. They circled a wagon in Ohio to play whoop butt on the natives. Some called it “waggen the draggen” – party time!

    After the smoke cleared we had billions of votes – too fishy to pass the one vote whenever you feel it test. No problem – just crank up the computer – scrub everything, & dump in enough votes to make it close, but sure-nuff good & tally ho for the winner & lots of suspense & fun for all! That’s what progressive democracy is all about.

    Imagine all those long lines to vote, almost endless days to vote early, later & otherwise — and we had significantly less votes this time around. It’s all over, we’re exhausted, we don’t know why, and we’re eager to hop in the wagons to make it bigger & more exciting in four years, if there is anything left of this country!

  • Janice

    Oh my. You guys just.don’t.get it. Pls continue in your delusional bubble. It isn’t in your DNA to know what really went wrong.

  • davidioff shmerkovsky

    Elo, everee won. I hem Russhen, en I haf stodeed yir eelekshuns for yeers. Der es no deefirenc betaween dees prezadents. Boosh eez Cleenton ees Boosh ees Obahmah. Notting eez deefirent. Romney poot een playce tu absorb enirgy of Obahmah deetraktors. Absorpshun kompleet…….Obahmah eez prezident wonce agan. Next prezident weel be Cleentun…..de uglee voman Heeliry. Back tu Boosh eez Cleentun eez Boosh eez Obahmah eez H Cleentun. Loook et enirgee yu spend deeskussing deez konstrukts. Awel de wiyel dey keep yu frum formingk unions tu deefeet dem. Mittel klasses lost unteel abel tu unifie. Gud luk comrads.

  • SJJolly

    What went wrong, Mr. W.A. Root? Bottom line: The world is not as you think it is.

  • Tired of This Fool

    Wayne Allyn Root went wrong. This fool along with Chip Wood and Ben Crystal know nothing. The only good thing about them is their ability to pick the losers.

    • old farter

      The root of Mr. Root’s unpredictable predictability centertson the question of how, many fools does it take to elect enough fools to fool a nation into believing and following the rules of fools!

  • J.M.R.

    what happened VOTER FRAUD

  • old hillbilly

    The “fiscal cliff isn’t about falling into an abyss; it’s about not treating an infestation of parasites. Over-run by parasites in 2008, we elected more parasites to solve the problem. Trillions later in 2009, parasites were entrenched, in control, and rewarded with more trillions to do what they do. Trillions later in 2010, parasites were entrenched, in control, and rewarded with more trillions to do what they do. Trillions later in 20011, parasites were entrenched, in control, and rewarded with more trillions to do what they do. Trillions later in 2012, more parasites were elected, entrenched, in control, and will be rewarded with more trillions to do what they do because they are in control and we’re too stupid to stop it.

    Because the parasites are stealing trillions more than revenue, we’re $16 trillion in debt, SSI and the treasury are empty, thieves are printing counterfeit money like pop-corn, the monopolist “Gold-finger” loaded our manufacturing plants and tools on a boat & sent it to his captive “global” slave nation, nobody has a job or real income or savings, and the parasites passed laws and regulations forbidding us to use our natural resources, intelligence, and effort to produce anything of value. It’s best described as “kersplatt!

    So, here we sit flat on our ass atop unlimited resources and energy, with millions upon millions of idle unoccupied people doing almost absolutely nothing to get off that fat ass & feed themselves. They’re waiting for the head parasite to tell them what to do, but parasites only know how to consume and gather things to consume! Clueless parasites can’t even imagine producing something of value to consume.

    The parasites are way out on the end of the Benghazi limb covered up & hiding. It’s past time to saw the limb off, worms & all, put a match to it, & save the tree. If all you little song birds sitting on the wire, would get out there & feast on the parasites, we wouldn’t have this problem!

  • Joe America

    Here’s a reality check for Mr. Root, which explains, clearly, why Romney didn’t win:
    1) The Republicans chose candidates who could not win.
    2) The Republicans didn’t want the stain of a second depression on their records.
    3) The Demoncrats cheated at the polls and the media supported and covered up their dirty deeds.
    4) The media is owned by Obama supporters, who have a socialist agenda.
    5) Only 38 % of Americans are participating in 401K’s or IRA’s.
    6) Only 48% of Americans save any money.
    7) 52% of Americans are on the government dole.
    8) Every “minority” voted for Obama.
    9) Mainstream Christians had a hard time accepting Romney’s Mormonism.
    10) Ryan, although being absolutely right, was a poor choice, because he offended the 52% on the dole.
    11) The fact is that baby boomers who openly supported Romney, voted for Obama because they, being close to retirement, want their social security.

    I could go on for pages, telling you why Obama won over Romney. However, that makes little difference, because no matter who won, the owners of the Federal Reserve Banks would still be in control. Polititians have little affect over the Fed, or the foreign banks that own it. We’re still going to have a depression. Worse than that, we have a natural disaster coming in November of 2013, as a foreign celestial object, 15 times brighter than the moon will be passing by our planet, dragging a tail of space trash in its wake. You see, this is the real issue. All the rest doesn’t really matter that much, right now. Look around, and you’ll see many, many folks “retiring” from their professional lives. The Federal government is buying bunkers and having undergroud facilities built as quickly as they can. This is the real story. Everything else is only a diversion. We’re on our own.

    • old hillbilly

      It’s hard to argue with your comments. If 2013 is real, it won’t matter much, as the productive element in our society will be paralyzed by then & more than ready for the end of times. Comeuppance for union thugs, wannabees, & blind followers is at hand. When they realize their pensions & benefits are penniless, their job providers really closed the doors, and nobody knows how to do nothing, the hell they created will be real & consume them. Their captors really know how to control population & snuff people too lazy to work or especially old, disabled, and unable to work. (Mau, Stalin, Pol Pot, countless African tyrants, muslims, ad infinitum….) Don’t blame asteroids, God, or bad luck… we were looking for something for nothing in hell, we found it, and we’re on the down elevator to get what we asked for.

      • http://pweiters9.wordpress.com pweiters9

        11/19/12, The great unwashed & unmotivated have voted against their own best interests. Need a job? Can you cure cancer? No? Well, then you’re just SOL.

    • http://www.facebook.com/stephen.lohrstorfer Steve Lohrstorfer

      Its not hard to argue with Joe Not american, its rubbish. Romney lost because reasonable americans reject all the crap you people vomit out of your mouths..

      • Joe America

        My, my, Steve, you are so naive. Only fools, such as yourself, actually believe you had a choice in this election. You need to check out Agenda 21 and Rex 84, because this is what it’s all really about. The two parties are a lie. They are really one party, all serving the same master. It’s naivity, like yours, which has been instrumental in the destruction of this nation. Fools like you are counted on to keep the NWO’s agenda moving forward. When you and your children are being herded around like cattle and being abused by your masters, I don’t want to hear any complaints. This nation is being pushed into a communist direction, as is the plan of the NWO. The aristocracy of the world have decided that the average man has gotten too big for his britches and the culprit that allowed him to do that was the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. They, the aristocray of the world, once ruled the average man with an iron fist. They ruled him by “devine right.” Now, they are going to take the USA down and return things to the way it was before that “offensive country” got in the way of “the natural order of things.” They want to enslave you, Steve, you and your children and grandchildren. And, they are going to achieve their goals, because you’re ignorant of their plan. You may be ignorant because you just haven’t read enough about the NWO, or you just can’t imagine that it’s true. You mind may not allow you to believe that such a thing could happen. Well, Steve, it’s happening. And, if folks keep the same mind set that you have, it will happen. What then? Well, if some rich guy, maybe someone in the new/old aristocracy wants to have sex with one of your kids, or possibly take his/her organs so that he/she can live a longer life, they will and you’ll just have to sit their and watch it happen. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. If you think that any human can have absolute power over humanity and they will not turn into rotting pieces of blow fish crap, you are severly mistaken. No human can be trusted with such power. They will abuse it. You’re an idiot, Steve. Grow up and start reading. Stop suckling at the teet of the NWO’s propaganda. Failure to do so will doom your childrens’ children.

  • Joe America

    This passing object is not a conspiracy therory, but has been announced in the mainstream media. And, here’s a lesson: In order for the object to be 15 x brighter than the moon, it must have 15X the reflective surface of the moon. It must be 15 times bigger. Get ready for Mr. Toad’s wild ride.

  • Polski

    Excuses, excuses, excuses. Why anyone would listen to Wayne Rut or any republican is beyond COMMON SENSE. If the republicans had pushed to get rid of the ILLEGAL ALIENS like they should have, they would have won. There are 20 MILLION Americans without jobs because of ILLEGAL ALIENS. The problem with the economy is a Bush/Cheney problem. Republicans think they’re smarter than anyone else and they can fool/trick the American public. So much for that. Republicans should terminate the party. It’s dumb and outdated. You can keep this forum and mumble among yourselves. You’ll never do any better in “normal” groups.

    • Joe America

      Polski, The Demopublicans and Republicrats are two sides of the same coin. They both serve the same masters of the NWO. The goal? To create a one world government run by the central bankers of the world. This will be a government like George Orwell’s “1984″, where big brother will be watching your every move, with absolute control over the population of the earth. I think “Rollerball” would also be an excellent example, as well. It will be absolute corporately run fascist government. Humans will be hearded into “population zones” where they can be easily managed, as well as exterminated when he/she is no longer of use to their masters. Make no mistake, the goal of the New World Order is to return to the Old World Order, which was a lord-surf society. This is what men and women escaped when they came to America. They were escaping, what the “NWO” is now recreating. As for the masters of this program, they see the United States of America as a grand mistake in history, and they plan to correct that mistake by erasing it. It was a land where you could come, as a nobody, and become somebody. You could have freedom and finanical success that could never have been achieved in “the old country.” The aristocracy of the world dispise America, just for that very reason. They want to take your sons and daughters and return them to slavery. If they want to have sex with your children, and they will do so and you won’t be able to do anything about it. They will, once again, have absolute control over you. And why? Because it’s their “devine right.” The Royals in Europe and, particularly, England, will be your masters, once again. All the progress surf/average peoples have made to achieve freedom will be thown in the dust bin of history. And, you, you fools, will have helped them achieve this. You fools who have allowed yourselves to become uneducated, that have become mesmerized by Hollywood, sports and the latest gadgets, you will have put the last arrow into the heart of freedom. You had the greatest opportunity the average person ever had to enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You pissed and pooped on it and now, you’ll have to live with the consequences of your choice.

      • Jeff

        Well, Professor Joe, you must have lots of evidence to back up these paranoid delusions. But you seem to have forgotten to cite them.

        • Joe America

          Liberalism is a mental illness and it would be a waste of time to try and convince you of what’s coming. The proof will be provided when it happens. When it does, I guarentee you’ll remember my point of view and my predictions. As for you, all the information is out there, right in front of your face. Anyone can find it. Unfortunately, once humans enter into a belief system, they stay there, no matter the evidence to the contrary. People probably laughed at Noah when he built his ark. However, when the water was rising, and they were going glub, glub, glub, the laughing ceased as they took their last breath.

          • Bert Cundle Sr.

            “Noahs” Entire World was just a Valley… He was the First Zoo Keeper… ( All of the Animals in pares, Couldn’t get on a boat, ever…) Another Biblical Exaggeration!

          • Joe America

            Take it as you will, there’s nothing one can do about any of this, anyway. All we can do is watch, for it’s all out of our control. The folks of the NWO are powerful. Their golden rule is “he that holds the gold, rules.” So, we’re at their mercy. We can only hope that they understand mercy and extend it to us.

          • Bert Cundle Sr.

            One World Order… ” Uncovered”; Could be in my Life Time… I have been Predicting the Catholic Church & Pope to be the biggest contenders… But: How long will it take for Positive & Negitive to Blend & to Become Netural?

          • Joe America

            Bert-Bob, whatever, you’re probably right. I should lighten up. I guess I’m suffering from the depression due to Ron Paul’s retirement from the House.

          • Bert Cundle Sr.

            Liberalism is a mental illness ???????
            When choice is Abolished… Liberalism is Needed!

          • Joe America

            Bert, I’m just curious, what kind of choices are you talking about? The choice to kill the unborn, which will, eventually lead to the killing of our elders? The choice between our Republican and Democratic leaders? Where’s the choice, there? The cognitive dissonance in our political system gives me a headache. Maybe the NWO has it right. At least, that would be more honest that what we’re dealing with, right now. Just an out and out dictatorship, or rule by committee, like China. They don’t have to worry about elections and they can make plans twenty to thirty years in advance. Our presidents are running for re-election as soon as they’re elected. This is why we can’t get anything done in this country. This is why Obama is going to challenge the 22nd ammendment, win the challenge and be re-elected for a third and forth term.

          • Bert Cundle Sr.

            Bert, I’m just curious, what kind of choices are you talking about? ………………………
            Liberty means Freelove! Ability to choose who to love… That choice removed… is obedience to directed guideance.
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            But: The Perfessed Liberals are at such a veriety, that they are missguided to pervert the real meaning of LIBERAL! ( AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES) { American ~ “Over reaching boundries”/ / Civil ~ Support of Christianity & Criminal Code “Isn’t CIVIL” / / Liberties ~ Support of Ratial Biast “Isn’t LIBERAL”.}

          • Joe America

            Bert, I don’t care who people love and I think most people don’t. What I hate is having it shoved in my face. Leave it in the bedroom and, I dare say, in the closet. People shouldn’t be punished for being gay and heterosexuals shouldn’t talk about their sex lives, either. As for marriage, it was created to ligitimize children and a union between a man and a woman. Addtionally, being gay is a sex life choice and it shouldn’t be rewarded as a minority.

          • Bert Cundle Sr.

            Same is true of Religious Liberty… But … GOVERNMENT Should not start any of its meetings with a PRAYER…

          • Jeff

            Funny you should mention rising water since I assume you believe climate change is a liberal hoax. Liberalism is the belief that it is possible for government to make a positive difference in people’s lives. That if someone is starving, we have a collective responsibility to feed him. That if someone is homeless, we have a responsibility to do something about it. That if people are suffering from racial discrimination, government can do something about it. that it is better to provide medical insurance so people can get preventive care so they don’t have to go to the ER to be saved. If that’s a mental disorder, count me in. Meanwhile, the author of your theory, Michael Savage, is so full of self hatreds (Jewish, gay, probably many more) he could keep an entire psychiatry department (maybe at NYU) busy for years.

          • Joe America

            You know, you’re right about global warming. Mankind is affecting global warming to the point where it’s warming up all the other planets. That’s right! All the planets in our solar system are warming up. The ice caps of Mars are shrinking, and it’s all our fault. Not!

            As for Mike Savage, you’d have to climb up to the top of the Empire State building to kiss his ass. That’s how low you are. Liberal scum like you won’t be happy until you’ve taken this nation completely down. Once that happens, you’ll be crying like a little girl “Oh! How could this happen? I don’t understand!” There will come a day when you’ll be thrilled to get old shoe leather, so you can boil it and make soup with poluted water. That’s the kind of world you’re kind are bringing us down to.

            Well, if it’s any comfort to your sick ass, we’ll all be suffering, together.

          • Jeff

            You learned trash talk from The Savage Weiner, I see. You probably know how to tell people to get AIDS and die and how to deny that kids with autism are anything but spoiled brats. You probably share TSW’s antisemitism, too. That’s right, he’s a self-hating Jew who loves to denigrate loy-ahs from NYU (not Berkeley), the ACLU, seltzer drinkers, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and Congressman Waxman. He also loves to denigrate gays while he’s likely in the closet himself given his relationship with Allan Ginsburg.

            Now that you’ve exhausted your knowledge of adjectives describing liberals, perhaps you could use whatever brain you have left after listening to talk radio and explain rationally how liberals are destroying the country. And tell which programs, initiated by liberals, you would abolish:
            food safety
            worker safety
            mine safety
            Social Security
            Minimum Wage
            40-Hour week
            Child Labor Laws
            Civil Rights
            Voting Rights
            Women’s Rights
            Environmental Laws
            Banking Regulations
            Securities Regulations

          • Joe America

            I would abolish the US Department of Education, as it has only served to dumb down our children. I would abolish any law allowing same sex marriage. I would put homosexuality back in the closet, where it belongs. I don’t care what people do behind closed doors, I just don’t want to know about it, or have it constantly pushed in my face. I would not abolish anyone rights, as long as they’re rights didn’t infringe upon others rights. As for the FDA, they are a dismal failure and are beginning to overstep their bounds. Tons of medications, or the base materials for medications are being produced in China by companies that aren’t even being monitored by the FDA. I would completely abolish welfare in favor of workfare and it would be temporary, unless the person is truly disabled. I would limit unions only in the way they could not mandate a closed shop. They would have limitations. Your points, are pointless and have little to do with me and more to do with your distain of conservatives and libertarian ideals, and your distain for Mike Savage. Liberal thought processes are like the following scenario; you have hunters and gatherers, who actually go out and bring in the food. In the meantime, the socialist/liberals sit around the campfire, bull crapping, waiting for the hunter gatherers to come back and feed them. The socialist/liberal contribution to society is their presence and their ability to bloviate. Like the lillies of the field, they toil not, they work not, yet they want to decide how the hunter/gatherers divide up the food. Being a minority, I attended an Afro-American university. It was very liberal and progressive. So liberal and progressive that 50 to 60%, in accordance with a graded curve, was an A. So, imagine how pissed off they became when another minority person came in getting 100% on their tests. They were so thrilled they wanted to kill me, because, in their words, I was “Bucking up the curb.” You see, liberals, socialist and communist have driven the standards in this nation down to the lowest common denominator, down into the toilet. Don’t tell little Johnny or Suzy they can’t read, or they’re not rising to the occasion, because they might get a complex. You and your kind make me want to puke. You’re destroying this nation. You’re playing the fiddle, while America burns. Bravo.

          • Jeff

            I don’t know anything about you, but when you adopt the language of the most vile person on the radio as your own and talk about liberalism as a mental disorder, you don’t sound very bright. I see that you are capable of engaging in conversation, but I don’t see my points as pointless at all. If you believe liberalism is a mental disorder, then you should want to do away with everything liberalism has wrought. I simply listed some of the things accomplished by liberalism in the last 112 years and asked which of them you’d do away with. You mentioned a few things not on my list and also the FDA. Do you really think we’d be better off without the FDA or do you think the FDA needs to be strengthened to deal with the realities of the market (i.e. food and drugs from China)?

            Everything currently done by government it at one time did not do. Agencies are set up in response to a perceived need. Therefore, before pronouncing you’d kill an agency, you have to look not only at what it does but at why the agency was created in the first place. If the free market worked so perfectly, why was the agency/law/regulation implemented in the first place? I feel that Conservatives, in their zeal for deregulation, seldom bother to ask that question.

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        With the world under the control of ONE (1)…With-out Opposition… Races Will Not be allowed to Segragate. Must bare Childreen with other races! ( Everyone Will be: Gray with a Yellowish, redish, brown Tint. ) To be the same as others… Kill everyone over 21 Tears Old; 5’10″ & Under 5’9″ tall. & Everyone over 21 years old;Kill: Under 150#s & Over 160#s
        HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT “G O D “?

        • Jeff

          Also must learn to “speell”?

        • Joe America

          Bert, brother, I got nothing on that. You win.

  • NativeBlood

    Republicns lost the election because:
    They nominated a loser in the first place!
    They tried to keep abortion as an issue which should never be politicized.
    They tried to keep religion and homosexuality as an issue which should be never politcized.
    They avoided secure borders as an issue like the plague.
    They knowingly ignored the illegal alien invasion over the last 2 decades and it came back to bite them severely.
    They beleive tax releif for those very wealthy will somehow create jobs for Americans and in reality it made more jobs for foreign workers.
    They ignored the fact that paying out foreign aide does little good for our economy.
    They continue to support israel and listen to AIPAC and the result is lost American lives and lost revenue to the treasury.
    They are out of touch to the needs of the jobless, undereducated, minorities and poor white working class by advocating sending manufacturing overseas and outsourcing goods and services.
    They claim to reach across the aisle but only when it favors their ideology.
    They are known to be the party of warmongers in the defense of oil instead if pioneering oil and energy exploration in the North American Continent.
    They support NAFTA, GATT, WTO, Patriot Act, NDAA, UN Agenda 21 and they are in lockstep with the Democrats to destroy our economy and to undermine our sovereign
    and constitutional well being.
    They promised to repeal Obamacare which did not turn any of the have-nots on!
    They resulted to dirty tactics to screw over Ron Paul and that was unforgiveable!
    All the above contributed to the loss of the Republicans this last general election and if they do not change their collective ways and distance themselves from cronies like Rove,
    then the party may really go the way of the whigs and that is very serious folks!
    Bottom line, Republicans better start getting more inclusive and get back to American needs and not to the crony desires of the present!

    • Joe America

      What’s going to happen to Congress, now that Ron Paul is retiring? He was the last voice of reason. As for your comments, the Demopublicans/Republicrats are one in the same. Both are supported by big business and banking. This nation is finished. It’s like a walking corps that hasn’t realized that it’s dead, yet. And, who’s the one that killed this great nation? Try the Federal Reserve and it’s foreign bank owners.

      • NativeBlood

        Joe America says (in part) “As for your comments, the Demopublicans/Republicrats are one in the same. Both are supported by big business and banking. ”
        _____________________________________________________________________
        I think I made that abundantly clear.

        • Bert Cundle Sr.

          Life is made of: Offense & Defense… Rep’s. = Offensive & Dem’s = Defensive! ( Elections are to find the Strongest!)

          • Joe America

            Yes, lies are made up of offense and defense. Republicans and Democrats berate eachother in public and then go off and share a meal, a beer and a prostitute. It’s like big time wrestling at its worst, or a badly written soap opera. By the way, did Obama steal the election? The story at the link, below, provides some shocking facts. Worse still, if a republican received 100% of the votes in any precinct in the country, the liberal media would have dozens of investigative reporters on the scene to find out who was stealing votes. St. Lucie County, FL had 141% turnout. Obama won it overwhelmingly, and it cost Congressman Allen West his congressional seat ……… he lost by about 1900 votes. So, people think their votes matter:

            http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/poll-watcher-sees-romney-ballots-changed/

    • Joe America

      Native Blood, I appreciate your anger and indignation, but you need to realize that the Democrats are not your friends, either. The Dems and Repulicans are cut out of the same cloth and serve the same masters, which are dedicated to enslaving you and yours. All the programs you mentioned, above, are real and frightening and they are being served up with the assistance of both parties. Why do you think that we are only being served Coke and Pepsi? Why not Royal Crown, Seven-Up, or Dr. Pepper? The reason is that third parties provide decenting voices against the agenda of the NWO. The D’s and R’s are the same old whores in new dresses, shoveling the same crap at the American people. These parties have been well infiltrated by shills of the NWO. When these two parties debate, they’ve already planned what the script will be, in advance. In fact, there is no debate, but simply a show for the American people, an attempt to make them feel that they actually have a choice, when in fact, they don’t. For example, how is it that local contests for Congressman are still in debate, because the votes are still being counted, yet, the most important office in our nation and in the world, was called within hours? In fact, it should take days, if not weeks, to accurately count the votes. Would these votes have made a difference in the outcomes of the electoral college? Perhaps those swing states, which were very close, might have flipped in the opposite direction. The fact is that Romney was in on the fix. He was told which round to go down in, and he took the dive, as planned. You see, you actually believe you had a choice, when, in fact, you didn’t. Most Americans believe they had a choice, when they didn’t. The NWO has a carefully planned agenda, which is coming to fruition. It’s coming and all we can hope is that our new masters will have a place for us in their new system of a one world government and that they will show us mercy. Complacance and sloth has destroyed freedom and you can congratulate yourself for being a part of its destruction.

  • rosebud

    Eddie47d say’s the republicans are the vicious,and out of control? Really? The far left libs media bias, were vicious,and out of control. Eddie47d stated that the far left libs pays thier dept’s? Right sure they do this president has racked up more dept in four years then any other president in history. Your president hasn’t one thing since he’s been in office. All he’s done is play gulf,and go on vactions. He blames everyone elso instead of takeing responsabilty for it. He’s president,and refuses to take responsabilty for the 4 American lives that were taken, He,totally been dishonest, He should be impeached

    • bob666

      Rosebud,
      “Your president hasn’t one thing since he’s been in office. All he’s done is play gulf,and go on vactions. He blames everyone elso instead of takeing responsabilty for it. He’s president,and refuses to take responsabilty for the 4 American lives that were taken, He,totally been dishonest, He should be impeached”

      It’s not my job to defend Obama, but you have some pretty stong statements that need to be corrected. Obama & congress have borrowed more money than every president before him, Washington through Bush combined. That is just as factual as the fact that Bush (and a republican congress) did exactly the same thing and my question is; where was your outrage at that time?

      While I am not in the “let’s blame Bush business”, He did leave Obama with two wars and an economy that was falling off a cliff. Over six thousand American lives were lost in Iraq and that war when complely finished will run about about two trillion dollars, about a third of that cost during Obama’s tenure. Obama has pulled us out of Iraq and maybe “W” should have played more golf?

      As for the four American lives, I assume that you are talking Libya? If so, that is unfortunate, but compaired to 6K in Iraq and and one hundred million in Lybia compared to two Trillion in Iraq, I would have to say, mission accomplished!

    • Jeff

      Take a look at this chart and tell us whose policies have driven up the debt.

      http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/obama-romney-deficit-debt-chart.php

    • Joe America

      Obama will not be impeached, but will go on to become the black version of FDR. He will tax everyone who works and give to those who would not work as tasters in a pie factory. He will tax any industry we have, regardless of type and give that money to non-workers/non-producers. Unfortunately, that will become the majority of people in this nation. The entire world will cry for Obama to lead them, and he will. He will, eventually, become the leader of the world. He will become the face of the NWO. Already, all the people of the world look to him as a “Messiah.” He is the Pied Piper of the World. Beware anyone that opposes this man, for he will bring you low. There hasn’t been a man like him since Nimrod. In fact, he is Nimrod, reborn; a mighty hunter before the Lord. He will not only have this second term, but, through stealth and manipulation, will gain a third and forth term. He will stack the Supreme Court with liberal justices, who will help him overturn the 22nd ammendment (limits president to only two terms of office).

    • Bob666
      • http://www.facebook.com/stephen.lohrstorfer Steve Lohrstorfer

        Hey Bob, pull your head out of your ass. Wallstreet and the corporate bankers caused all this debt. Your just too stupid to remember

        • Bob666

          “Hey Bob, pull your head out of your ass. Wallstreet and the corporate bankers caused all this debt. Your just too stupid to remember”

          Wow Steve, you and Joe are very much alike, you both make some good points, but are so determined to make sure that everyone knows what you think that; you lose site of the point. That video has nothing to do with the economy, wall street or corporate bankers. I believe there might be far more distance between my head and my ass than exist between yours.

          Take a couple of deep breaths and think before you hit the send button.

          • Joe America

            Bob, I can’t get angry or upset with you, because you simply can’t understand what’s really happening with our economy. Clearly, Wall Street and International Bankers are the one’s who created our financial mess and they drug the Republicans and Democrats right into the dungpile. He who has the gold rules and it’s not just Republicans. That’s a falsehood ginned by Democrats to demonize Republicans. The fact is, both parties have whored themselves out to the money changers. There are more billionares who are Democrats, than there are Republicans. Both are being led around with rings in their noses. That being said, Democrats are Republicans dressed in ragges, wolves in sheeps clothing, pretending they care about the masses. The truth is, they care about controlling the masses, and their votes. They could give two craps about “the little guy.” All they care about is buying votes with money stolen from the people. It’s all about power. Absolute power. Why do you think both parties are being pushed so hard to take away our liberties, pretending they want to protect us from terrorism. Under Obama, DHS and the TSA bought 1.2 billion rounds of hollow point 40 caliber ammunition this year, alone. Hollow points are band by the Geneva Convention, because “it’s inhumane.” So, Bob, who are they going to use those 40 cal hollow points on? That’s allot of rounds. Keep an open mind and don’t be sold a bill of goods by either party. Be circumspect and just look at the facts. They’re not pretty. Both parties gleefully voted to renew Patriot Act II and now, the National Defense Authorization Act will put the last arrow into our bill of rights. I feel pitty for you, and all the people you’re able to influence, because you are spreading and facilitating ignorance. Neither party is your friend. It’s like comparring a crap sandwich to a bowl of diarrhea. You can chew it or drink it, but it’s going to taste like crap, either way.

          • Bob666

            Yo Joe,
            Have I told you lately that I am a libertarian???????????????????????

          • Joe America

            Bob, I’d like to believe you’re a Libertarian, but you sound more like a liberal, to me. There is a difference. I believe that you believe you’re a Libertarian.

          • Bob666

            Joe,
            It’ not what I believe, it’s what I Believe in and Stand for. Based on your rants that I have read, there is no doubt in my mind that I am an old school libertarian and I would bet that you have at some point in your life been registered as a card carrying member of the GOP. You are no doubt a dissatisfied right leaning kind of guy searching for a new home as you are clearly disillusioned with the GOP. But you hold the same hard right ideals and that baggage precludes you from being a true libertarian.

            For the record, I am not only a libertarian, but have been known to teach an occasional class in economics-on the graduate level. Where you see black and white, I see may shades of grey in between. You watch FOX and I read the Wall Street Journal, but the difference is; I know who owns both of them.

            Take a couple of deep breaths Joe, you working your self up again.

          • Joe America

            Bob, I believe in the original values that formed this nation, the values of our founding fathers. The Demopubicans have lost their way, decades ago. I’m not a GOP or DNC kind of guy. I’m not the lost soul, here. What I see in you is a liberal Democrat who is posing as a Libertarian. I’m not saying you’re doing this, intentionally, but it seems that is your mind set. The GOP could never rise to the occasion to take on the Fed, the military industrial complex, the insurance industry and the drug companies. Both parties want OPM going into the pockets of special interests. Ron Paul would have been the better GOP choice for president, but nobody, and I mean, nobody, is going to stop people voting for what they see is free money. Americans have become dependent on government, and over time they will become more so. They don’t care who’s paying their tab. We’re due for a huge oil boom in this nation, and it’s going to be taxed and regulated to death. Am I bitter? Well, yes, at the American people who voted for more government and more debt. If my concern over the destruction of the American family offends you, or anyone else, I don’t care. If my concerns over the gross laps of moral and ethical behavior in our nation offends you, I don’t care. We are now all riding down the slippery slope to fiscal, moral and ethical chaos.

  • Insurgent

    Even I hate DUMBAma and every word he says or even asks, I am kind of happy that war-monger idiot Romeny didn’t get the presidency. First of all, bc this guy is a 100% full-blooded lacky of israHell and he would push the US into a war against the peaceful nation of Iran, as we speak now. The majority of Americans turned him down for this #1 reason, they don’t want the war. They don’t want ANY war anymore for the zionists sick and perverted ideas. The US should drop israHell and stop the $10-million-a-day taxpayer money for the bandit-state. The money used to destroy Palestinia and families. The time is here now to say: NO MORE!

    • bob666

      I have to say this site is like the weird magnet that attracts the most extreme and bazaar that mankind has to offer. I see that one can waste a great deal of time feeding the animals on a site like this and it reinforces the fact that you can’t relationally explain an answer to those who gleefully shroud themselves in ignorance.

    • Joe America

      Don’t worry, we will crap on Israel, our only friend in the Middle East. This has already been prophesied. If you think for two seconds that Arabs and Muslims are our friends, better think, again. You’re dealing with a religion that demands an Islamic world caliphate that would force Islam on every human being on the face of the earth, with a choice of conversion or death. It’s idiots, such as yourself, who allow those with extreme ideals to rule over people. That being said, it’s going to come down to a battle between Islam and the NWO, which is anti-religion. As for us, the USA, we are becoming a non-issue for the world and will become less important, as we are taken apart by fools from the inside of this nation. It wil happen. We will fall. Fools on the inside of our nation will accomplish what no standing army in the world could. We’re on the ropes, getting ready to take the last punch and fall for the count. And, the entire world will be cheering when we go down. Forget all the good we’ve done for the world, and the average person who couldn’t make it in their home nations. Foreigners rale against us, but when they get a chance to come, they do. Why? Because they couldn’t make a living in the old country. We had something here that helped them succeed. But, don’t worry. Idiots like you will take care of all that. When you go down with us, I don’t want to hear a whimper out of you. Just suck it up and take your medicine.

  • Joe V

    The “misery” you talked about was unquestionably created by George W. during his terms. No single man could have turned around that mess in four years and I think the American people realized it to be true, despite Romney’s pleas to the contrary.

    • Joe America

      The difference between Romney and Obama are vast, not due to Republican or Democrat differences, but simply because Obama is something totally different. This issue is not between Democrats and Republicans, but is, instead, the difference between Capitalism and Communism. “Obama’s Amercia: 2016″ was a book and documentary, which clearly laid out Obama’s communist upbringing and leanings. This nation has gone socialistic and communistic, while Russia and China, are going capitalistic. You see, Americans are making the mistakes, today, that these ex-communists nations made in the past. However, they learned from the errors of communism, which is the fact that it’s an unsustainable system. Only fools and the Federal Reserve Banks believe money can be pulled out of thin air. By the way, the Bolshavik revolution of Russia was funded by the Rothchilds, Oppenhimers and Warburgs of Europe, as well as the Rockefellers, Morgans, and Harrimans in the USA. Trotsky and Lenin were their bag men. Why did this happen? Because the Czar refused to allow them to create a central bank in Russia. However, after realizing they’d created a monster, they began funding Hitler, hoping he’d crush Stalin. However, like all megalomaniacs, Hitler turned on them, too. As a result, he, also, needed to go. Russia and China have been pulled back into the capitalist ideal, with the exception that they are a little more leary of the World Bank and IMF. The average person doesn’t read and is becoming more illiterate every day, as planned by the NWO. This nation is now officially gone over to the dark side of communism, thanks, in part, to our unions, which have been infiltrated by communist, possibly from their very beginnings. In the words of Margaret Thatcher “The problem with socialism/communism, is that, sooner, or later, you run out of other peoples’ money.” As for GWB, Clinton, GHWB and Reagan, they have all been on the same railroad track, all along. They have been guided by the principles and goals of the NWO, all being from varying divisions of the organization, but all on the same page. Obama is the NWO’s crowning glory. He’s the perfect face man, acceptable to all nations and peoples around the world. Eventually, he will be the leader of the “free” world. There is a bigger agenda at work, here, and Obama is just another part of the plan. More than that, he has become the most important part of the NWO’s plan. Our only hope is that he’s a merciful absolute ruler, because he’s going to rule, absolutely and for a very, very, very long time.

      • Joe Hammond

        If the US has freedom of expression and freedom of belief then being a communist is not illegal nor wrong as the Constitution protects the freedom to choose wrongly as much as it does to choose wisely.

        The GOP lost because it had Romney as the image for the GOP and he exuded bad attitudes about freedom and women. When the image is bad, you lose.

        • Joe America

          As a liberal, and a Democrat, you’ve totally misjudged Romney. As for me, the Republicrats and Demopublicans are two peas in a pod. The fact that you can’t see that tells me what a blind fool you are. It’s good cop/bad cop political style, two extremes, pretending to hate each other, all along working for the same people, which are the rich elite. Romney lost because there was allot of cheating going on. I voted early and people were being bussed in to vote, from long distances. It was obvious that those working at the poll were Obama supporters. People that were supposed to be a 100 feet from the poles were up in voters faces, pushing Obama. If you were white, you got a dirty look, for it was assumed that you were going to vote for Obama. Again, it has already been discovered that blatant cheat was going on at the polls. Beyond that, most of the folks in the USA are now on the dole, living off the carcas that the USA has become. Like worms eating a corps, like the giant paracytic monsters they are, they are sucking the last few drops of blood out of this nation. But, what’s going to happen when there’s no more blood to suck and the last drop is gone. Like zombies, welfare scum will take to the streets. It will make Greece look like a kids birthday party when the living dead, the barnicles of our society, realize their last freebies are gone. Then, they will not turn on the billionares or millionares, but, instead, will tear up their own homes and neighborhoods. After than, any decent person who has worked and has anything will become a target. They’ll believe in their minds “If a person has something, they must have done something wrong to get it, so, I can take it from them.” And, when they steal from decent folk, they will do it will zeal. By the way, women in the USA are treated better than anywhere else in the world. As for equality, there is none between our sexes. How do I know this? Well, do women in our nation have to sign up for selective service at the age of 18? Hell no. Only males. And, if you don’t sign up, it’s a federal crime, a felony. Do you see any women clammering to right this injustice? No! Here’s a little lesson for you, if you want to take a nation down, do it from the inside by destroying morals and the family unit. Get that done and it’s all over. Promote homosexuality and destroy marriage and the family unit will go down with it. Promote promiscuity. Fools like you need to read “The Naked Communist”, a book written in the 50′s by Cleon Skousen, which predicted how the communist were going to take over this nation, step by step. The problem with communists in America is that they want to destroy the nation that gives them the freedom to express their communist leanings. By the way, neither Russia nor China have ever been truly communist, but instead, totalitarian, with dictatorship by committee. Plank “24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press. 40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.” And, here’s the best part, you’re helping them reach their goals. How does it feel?

  • bob666

    Joe,
    Been reading your comments and I have to say that you are quite the pice of work. If I read between the lines, we should all think, believe, vote, and prey like you. What a happy world that would be.

    What color is the sky in Joe-World?

    • Joe America

      Bob, reading between the lines is another way of saying you’re interpreting my words to suit your needs. I don’t believe everyone should believe as I do, that’s why I’m a libertarian and not a liberal. That being said, I’m right in my assessment of the state of our nation, how it deteriorated and how it’s going to go down. People want to believe that we can keep borrowing from the Fed and survive. This ecomony is like a man on life support in the ICU, who is already brain dead. The only thing keeping our financial body alive is monopoly money being printed by the Fed. That will only last so long, history has proven that with several governments who’ve practiced endless QE. What color is your sky, Bob? Perhaps, red?

      • bob666

        Well Joe, Since you asked, the color in my world is vivid blue and full of reality. Also, just so that you know, I too am a libertarian, but not of the namby-pamby tea party nitwits who need to go to Marian –Webster and read the definition of the term “libertarian”. I have been a libertarian for over thirty years now and have read and re-read the constitution and bill of rights many times. It starts out with “We the People “ and that is not just you or me, but all people, even if they don’t march to your tune.

        The problem with democracy Joe is; people don’t also vote the way want them to and believe it or not, that’s OK, because it’s the test of democracy. If you are a true libertarian, then you should not have such strong opinions on abortion, women’s rights, gay marriage or other ideas that you seem to trouble you to the point of such frequency and contentious comments.

        Just the observations of fellow Libertarian.

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    What ever went wrong… Happy “triditional” Thanksgiving day: To ALL!

  • dorrie

    Maybe obama won becouse of allll the free stuff that he gives away and we the tax payer pay for all

    • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

      “Maybe obama won becouse of allll the free stuff that he gives away and we the tax payer pay for all”

      Exactly what free stuff are you talking about?

      • bob666

        Tlgeer,
        I have read many of your post and you seem to make very rational and intelligent statements. This is the first time that I have been on a blog of any kind and this has made me aware that there are far more scary extreme people that I could ever imagine and it also reinforces how FOX, an entertainment network can stay in business since most of the people on this site are the FOX viewer base. Sean Hannety and Rush Limbaugh said it, so even with the absents of quantitative fact, it has to be correct.

        As I have read many of the post on this site, many lack a basic understanding of the Constitution or Bill of Rights and even current events. Many believe their right wing hero, Marco Rubio, is exempt from becoming president because they believe he was born in Cuba or he was born here in Miami, but because his parents were not citizens at the time, he is not a natural born American. They latch on to right wing sound bites and roll with them and like a sermon from the pulpit, blind faith says we embrace it because it has to be right.

        Albert Einstein stated the definition of insanity is doing the same thing repetitively and expecting different results. Trying to engage in a rational exchange of facts with people who gleefully shroud themselves in ignorance and expect them to consider something from the “liberal” or “Educated Elite” really is akin to the definition of insanity.

        Happy Thanks-Giving from the land of sanity!

      • Joe America

        What free stuff? How about:
        Section 8 housing, where working people have to subsidize the rent of non-working people?
        Who about a free education giving to those who don’t work, paid for by people who do?
        How about the fact that those who do work can’t get a free education, but have to pay for those who don’t work?
        How about all the free healthcare non-workers receive, at the expense of those who do work?
        How about the Obama phones, people get for free and sell to drug dealers?
        How about the help folks get who don’t bother paying on their mortgages, while those who do work and pay can’t get any help, even though they are way upside down on the value of their homes?
        How about the fact that foreigners come to this country, and receive low interest small business loans, as minorities, while the average American, who’s paid taxes all their lives, can’t get a cup of pee from the SBA.
        How about the fact that the Dem’s, during the Clinton administration, forced banks and mortgage companies to give loans to folks who were unqualified, threatening to sue them for discrimination, if they didn’t? Please note that this led to the packaging and sale of derivitives, which are block sales of bad mortages, which were purchased by thousands of retirement management funds? This caused the near depresion back in October of 2008.
        Now that Obama’s in, tightly, without worry of being re-elected, he’s going to make himself the new FDR, by taxing and taxing and taxing. And, it’s not going to be millionares and billionares, it’s going to be the middle working class. He’ll also tax big business, as much as they’ll allow. And, like Robinhood, he’ll take from the haves and give to the have nots. His father wrote a paper, which suggested that a 100% tax of everyone and every business was just. He’s a chip off the old block.

        • Jeff

          Captain America:

          So, Obama is not proposing a return to 39% tax rates from the current 35%? He’s proposing 100% rates? Do you actually believe that or are you engaging in a little right wing hyperbole? Will Obama eat your children whole or will he first turn them into soylent green? Do you realize that outside the confines of this blog, your comments would be considered borderline insanity?

          • Joe America

            Here’s a little thought for “dyed in the wool Democrats.” The Democratic Party was totally against thev13th amendment. Why? Because they were for slavery. Few acknowledge it, but they still are. They’ve created a new form of slavery by keeping, not only blacks, but Latinos, other minorities, and poor whites, dependent on the government dole. This is financial slavery. If you are totally dependent upon government for your subsistence, then you are a government slave. We must not forget, that it was Republicans who pushed for the 13th ammendment, with hot opposition from Democrats. So, it’s ironic that those seeking freedom dance to the tune of the party of oppression.

          • Jeff

            That was Lincoln. The Republicans ceased being the Party of Lincoln 100 years ago. For the past 40+ years, they’ve been the Party of Jefferson Davis.

          • Joe America

            Jeff, the Jefferson Davis comment is ridiculous. The real slave masters are the democrats, who need to keep people weak and dependent on the government teet. Keepem lazy, ignorant and dependent, likes good slaves. Instead of teaching folks to fish, so they can feed themselves for life, just give them a meal a day, so they never learn to care for themselves. That’s the democratic way.

          • Jeff

            Like teaching people to swim by throwing them overboard?

          • Jeff

            Ridiculous? I think not. Since passage of the Civil Rights Act in 1964, the South has become the base of the Republican Party. All the segregationist Democrats quickly became segregationist Republicans. The Northern Republicans who joined Northern Democrats to pass that bill have become extinct. The Southern Democrats who opposed it are now the Southern Republicans. In fact, the entire Conservative ascendancy that began in 1980 and may be dying at last owes most of its vitality to its reaction to the Civil Rights Movement. There’s a reason Reagan kicked off his campaign for President in Philadelphia, Mississippi. It was not an accident of scheduling.

          • http://www.facebook.com/stephen.lohrstorfer Steve Lohrstorfer

            Joe,america soundly rejected your stupidity. You might be joe but you are not american

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    First, it was based on common sense that no President could possibly be re-elected with the worst economy ……………………………………………………………………………………….
    Wate untill you read the results of Black Friday!
    Many of the Unemployed are there beacuse of the mass of import products… & Forign Manafacturing Here! & ROBOTICS! ” Many are out of Schools with No Skill…”
    Union Busting is Busting our Country!
    If the Economy is so bad… Why are Gas Prices So High???
    Dem’s have Notoriously Cleaned up after the Rep’s!

    • Joe America

      The Dem’s haven’t done anything, yet, to improve this economy. In fact, neither party has the ability to do this. The Federal Reserve and their foreign banking interests owners are really running the show. You statement about the Dem’s “Nortoriously Cleaned up” is inaccurate. Take a look at Obama’s cabinet and you’ll see the same old money whores that have been drooling around since Reagan. These guys are the puppet masters, with their hands shoved up the asses of Dem’s and Rep’s. There’s a reason why these monsters don’t want a third party in this nation, and it’s because those parties fly in the face of their interests, which is to keep Americans in debt slavery to the international bankers. Until you and all Americans understand this real problem, everything else is just an illusion. As for unions, they served a purpose when workers were being abused and locked up in sweat shops. They also increased the standard of living, creating the middle class. So, they have done some good. However, they’ve been coopted by communist infiltrators. For proof, when Wisconsin unions were calling for a recall of their govenor, Richard Trumka was openly associating and consorting with communist rebels from South and Central America, who were video taped marching and protesting with the union leaders. Additionally, the Dem’s Nancy Pelosi and other Congressmen and Senators, have supported Obama Care, not because it’s good for the American people, but because they have investments in healthcare insurance companies. If Democrats were more concerned with getting jobs in the USA, there would be plenty of opportunities to get insurance. They got the cart, before the horse. You can’t pay for healthcare, without jobs to support it. This is a clear indicator that Americans, those who voted for Obama, just want a free ride. They don’t give a crap where the money comes from, just “Gimme, Gimme, Gimme.” They don’t care that their grandchildren and their children will be saddled with a tremendous financial burden, cleaning up their mess. They fingure by the time the bill comes due, they’ll be dead, and then, it’s someone elses problem. As far as I’m concerned, Americans are falling down morally and eithically. We are going the way of Sodom and Gamorah and we are deteriorating faster than Greece or the Roman Empire. We are in decline, because our people are in decline. Morally and ethically, we are a rotting carcass, stinking to high heaven. We have become the skunk in the middle of the road.

      • Bob666

        “We are going the way of Sodom and Gamorah and we are deteriorating faster than Greece or the Roman Empire. We are in decline, because our people are in decline. Morally and ethically, we are a rotting carcass, stinking to high heaven”.

        Just the observations of a Libertarian

      • Joe America

        Bob, even Libertarians have to draw the line, somewhere. Otherwise, you’d have to agree with polygamy, people marrying their pets, etc. NAMBLA would love to argue their right to have sex with young boys. Only a sexual predator would agree to their wishes. Being a Libertarian doesn’t mean you’re liberal and it doesn’t mean you will excuse any perversion that pops into the human mind. Every society has rules, with limits and restrictions of behavior. When these rules are tossed aside, the you end up with Sodom and Gomorrah, you deteriorate like Greece and Rome. Every great civilization declined when their moral and ethical and fiscal compass went south. This is the direction the Democrats are taking this nation. It’s a run toward ethical, moral and fiscal suicide and the Democrats are leading the charge.

        • http://www.facebook.com/stephen.lohrstorfer Steve Lohrstorfer

          That is so stupid. What about the total meltdown of capitalism all because of the republicans refusal to regulate wall street and corporate criminals running the banks. You don’t have anything to say about that, you support those who facilitated the collapse and you blame it on Obama. YOU and the likes of you AreThe Problem Just pack your crap and get out.

  • Joe America

    Jeff, Insanity is repeating the same thing over and over, again, and expecting a different outcome. This is what America has been doing, since 1913′ when the bankers took this nation over. The Federal Reserve and IRS acts put them in complete control of our nation’s purse strings and economy. They, alone, decide whether we have inflation, deflation or stagnation in our economy. The Republicans and Democrats only provide the banking interests and Wall Street with face men to push and peddle their agendas. Although a little too late, watching Obama’s America 2016, as well as the documentary Inside Job, would open everyone’s eyes concerning who is really running our country, and who was and continues to be the culprits behind our financial mess. Look at either party, Democratic and Republican, and you will see a turd in the fiscal punch bowl. Both parties have whored themselves out to Wall Street and the international bankers over the last 100 years. With their assistance Americans have become fiscal slaves.

  • Bob666

    Joe, “What I see in you is a liberal Democrat who is posing as a Libertarian.” Many shades of grey my boy, many shades of grey.

    I believe that you really need to find an outlet for this stuff that you have bottled up inside. We are not all going to go to your church, read your bible, vote your party (GOP) or follow your singular moral or ethical line and Joe, that is OK because that is why we live in a free country, a demoracy.

    It means that you can continue to spout off about all of that stuff that is eating away at you like abortion, gay marriage, democrats, the federal reserve, the world bank, wall street banker and we both know that I could go on for a very long time. I am pretty certain that I am an old school libertarian and I can say that because it really does not matter to me what you really are, only that you have the right to pursue whatever it is that you personally believe.

    That Joe is why is one of the many reasons why I can say that I am a libertarian.

    now, take a deep breath and try to relax beecause stress kills.

  • Merl Elton

    All of this is right. However, how about the facts that incumbents are virtually impossible to beat–better the devil you know; and that as the first black president, Obama had a strong historical imperative to win; the momemtum was just too great for Obama and swept away all of his mistakes. People just did not trust Romney and his uptight style and super-perfect, too well-controlled lifestyle and demeanor that seemed phony. Romney/Ryan just did not have a clue and came across as idiots in terms of relevance. If the GOP ever hopes to become relevant, it needs to keep family planning issues and other religous and moral imperatives out of their politics– or else risk the appearance of a conflict between church and state and scaring voters away. Any future president needs to serve the people and work in their best interests: creating well paying, long-term jobs; restoring the economy where savings can earn interest, and middle-class people are not driven into poverty by long-term unemployment,high interest rates, high tax rates, high housing, food, fuel costs, foregin competition for jobs, etc. When the GOP granted blanket amnesty in the 80s, it guaranteed its own eventual demise, because Hispanics vote democratic. Hispanic women recently had the highest rates of abortion and family planning, because Hispanic culture is becoming Americanized. Regardless, most folks want border security and a controlled, sensible, and humane immigration policy.
    Rubio would not have been a good VP pick, because he does not have the gravitas, appearance, toughness, intelligence of Biden according to many people. We are the US of America–not just Cuba, Puerto Rico or Mexico. The US needs to create jobs in Mexico, so we will not be overwhelmed by Mexicans who take our jobs and inflate our taxes for their welfare and other services they demand. We do not have to let undocumented people, lawbreakers, some of whom are the lowest common demoninator dicate to seasoned politicians how to run the US. The GOP needs to avoid knee-jerk strategies like blanket amnesty and stand their groud for what is right. Do they want to give the US back to Mexcio because they lost an election? Finally, and most important, if most whites had gone out to the pollls and voted for Romney and not for Obama, Romney would have easily won. Unfortunately, many whites turned off by Romney/Ryan’s irrelevance and extremism sat home; most voted for Obama because Romney/Ryan scared them away. Obama did a really good job of convincing Americans that R/R were wolves in sheep’s clothing. Obama ran a mean, well-organized, relentlessly aggressive, political machine that administered a good dose of whoop ass. Politics is never nice. One cannot win a war fighting like a gentleman–the fight for the presidency or any election is a down and dirty dog fitght and the meanest, toughest, smartest, most ruthless dog wins–something Romney should have known. Romney lacked the toughness, foresight and keen judgement needed to be president and defeat Obama and America knew it.

    • Rosebud

      I agree I’ve been seeing,and watching what’s been going on in the US,and around the world. We are living in very dangerous time’s. The president that’s in office now mockes the bible,and a church he attendand practically trashed the US. He’s treated like he can do no wrong, He’s not held accoutable for anything. Something happen’s on his watch he blames Bush for it. He should have been impeached for lieing to the American people for the 4 lives that were taken in Liba,and he still needs to be impeached…The ACLU won’t stay out the church’s business. Same sex cry’s, when the church won’t marry them so theu run to the ACLU, Christmas manger’s are being taken down along with the ten commandment. If the Athiest don’t believe in christmas or the manger then what do they believe in besides in nothing. All they want to do is throw thier weight around which they don’t have.Jesus on the cross in urine that was consider art, no it was a mockery towards the bible it wasn’t art.. Kidds,and teens listing to trash grabage music trashing,and belittleing women,on,and on. Folks didn’t care or like Romney,because of what he stood for work,and get paid for it,and christianity,and good work ethic’s,and those folks didn’t like that. They didn’t want to lose thier free stuff,and or hand out’s. Folks are asking why christian’s are being attacked if you will, because it was predicted according to bible Matthew chapter 10:22-24 and yeshall be hated of all the men for my name’s sake,but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.vers 23 But when they persecute you in this city ,flee ye into another for verily I say unto you,Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel,until the Son of man become,vers 24 The desciple is not above the master,nor the servant above his Lord.

    • Nancy Cornish

      Merl, Also very important is the way the Democratic machine stole the election with illegals voting, people voting in more than one state, voting machines that changed people’s votes, voting machines that switch the leading number from one candidate to the other, deployed military ballots stolen and never delivered, deployed military ballots which made it held until Nov. 7, mentally challenged people driven to voting places after being told Obama would “save” them, etc. Republicans will never have a chance of a free and fair election until they figure out how to get rid of the vote fraud machine called the Democratic Party. Read on WND Vote-fraud EVIDENCE: Did Obama steal election?

      • Jeff

        And in which state(s) did this allegedly happen. Isn’t it interesting that virtually all the swing states were run by Republicans? How did Obama do whatever you say he did in Ohio or in Florida? If you believe what you read in WND, you might as well just read the National Enquirer.

        • Merl Elton

          Democrats are infamous for stealing elections and anything else that is useful. Corrupt democrats are ruthless,aggressive, destructive bullies who in no way play fair. They feel no shame or guilt only justification, as lies and other unethical offenses are part ot their game. For them, “Killing” Romney was a necessary accomplishment that they will forever crow about. Sadly, some of the most evil will profit the most from their ill deeds. Ironically, Barry may become his own worst enemy if the economy deteriorates significantly over the next few years.

          • Financially Insecure John

            Merl,
            and the moon landings were filled in LA at a FOX movie studio?

          • Joe America
          • Jeff

            Merl:

            I get that you don’t like Democrats, but that hardly answers my question. You stated unequivocally that the Democrats stole the election. I asked how they did that in Republican-run :”swing” states. Obviously, you have no explanation but make up for it with lots of invective and attitude.

          • Merl

            Just like how Democrats bash the rich and Romney and Bush and are so sexist that they expect all women to be Democrats and cannot abide Republican women. Republican women are much more liberated and often better looking than liberal ones and also have guns and date men who hunt and play sports. The Democratic party is not for the poor except at voting time as they must depend on rich liberals for campaign funding. Dems must stop spending money on unnecessary government programs or people will not have their benefits. Businesses cannot afford to hire if they must pay high taxes and high health care costs. Taxes alone cannot pay up a 6 Trillion deficit. With all of those taxes, inflation, etc. how can the average person get ahead. No the average person will not have a decent job and will have to depend on the government that is hoplessly broke and the day will come when the government will not be able to pay benefits.

          • Bob666

            Merl.
            “Just like how Democrats bash the rich and Romney and Bush and are so sexist that they expect all women to be Democrats and cannot abide Republican women. Republican women are much more liberated and often better looking than liberal ones and also have guns and date men who hunt and play sports”.

            Seariously?
            Just what color is the sky in your world?????????????????

            Women handed Romeny his ars on a silver plater in this past election. You sir have a very limited view of women when it comes to demographics.

          • Jeff

            See, Merl, the honest answer would be to admit you haven’t a clue what you’re talking about and you just don’t like Democrats. That’s fine – just don’t pretend to actually KNOWING anything.

          • Joe America

            Jeff aka Killer, who’s paying your salary? Either you’re independently wealthy, or, you’re on welfare, otherwise, you wouldn’t have the leisure time to bolviate here 24/7.

          • Bob666

            Jeff,
            As I read some of these post, I have only one thing to express; It is one thing to be ignorant, but to whaler in that ignorance with such pride is beyond belief.

          • Jeff

            666:

            “whaler in that ignorance”

            I rest my case.

          • Bob666

            Jeff,
            You that comment was not directed at you. But it is amazing to me how an etogram can provoke so much response.

  • Mame Scott

    The simple truth is that the GOP has lost its base, the real Christians. They do not bother to vote anymore and I know how they feel. 30 million this last election did not vote because they are tired of voting for the lesser of the two evils; it never changes. I am getting disgusted with Republicans because the seem just as greedy and corrupt as the Democrats now and have lost their moral compass.

    • Joe America

      No one could have said it better.

    • http://www.facebook.com/janet.v.pierce Janet Vaughan Pierce

      >>>The simple truth is that the GOP has lost its base, the real Christians. They do not bother to vote anymore and I know how they feel.<<<

      I agree with your first sentence. However, I disagree with the second one. I'm not sure who you refer to as "real Christians", I suspect it's the 'Far Right' Pharisees and Sadducees of today. I voted for W. Bush in '00. I have never voted Republican since. And, I have voted in every election including the one in November.
      I have some very conservative values including the belief that abortion and gay marriage is immoral. I do not hear 'pro choice' as 'pro abortion'. As VP Biden answered in the debates I do not find present laws making me turn from my moral values and I live in a country that embraces many differing opinions and values.
      I doubt this white Southern senior who is also a practicing Christian will ever vote Republican again. The mean spirited attitude that supports PAC's and various wealthy individuals that buy and support the so called 'grass root' organizations like the 'tea party' and twist the truths until they are out and out lies to fuel the flames of bigotry has totally turned me away. Situations like the 'birther' movement that has been acknowledged and even encouraged by leading Republican politicians has left me totally opposed.
      I've listened to both sides. That's why I even continue to follow this communication. The list of arguments I have to what's written here could fill a book, but I don't have the time (still working full time at 67 thanks to the Wall Street geniuses) or energy. What's written here does keep my BP up well though. Mostly lies lies lies and more lies.
      Check out Eric Garland's blog. He nails why many white, working, tax paying..oh, and Christian voters did not vote Republican.
      No, many Christians did bother to vote and I don't think you do know how we feel. You still don't get it. If you are a Christian you might want to re read the NT. That's where I take my moral compass in this life.

      • Merl Elton

        Many people think that the real reason for voter apathy is that neither party represents them anymore because both parties care about their careers and personal gain, and except at voting time, not about what is important to average working people, who do not have million dollar trust funds or inheritances. Also, Republicans need to keep family planning and other moral and religious issues out of their politics, because the Consititution calls for separation of chuch and state, and the government cannot therefore legislate morality. Also, most of the US is in favor of choice and family planning, along with paid entitlements like Social Security and Medicare, and when Republicans threaten what little most Americans have in retirement, Americans will reject Republicans, especially in today’s very tough economic times. As a result of our leaders spending like drunken sailors with little real accountability, we are in a permanent state of recession and a future depression if government is not limited. We wanted Obama, and now we have to pay for him in high taxes, low employment, and no capital gains for the rest of our lives and our children’s lives, because our leaders do not have the guts to do the right thing, and will sacrifice our bright futures for their own. Bigotry, racism, and sexism are here to stay, partly because polticians use these problems as weapons against their enemies. Poverty and racism are used to cudgel naive voters into voting for candidates who use these problems to their own advantage and even foment and encourage them through race baiting for their own advantage to garner votes. Agreed, the Republicans never should have made stupid statements about women who are raped will self abort, because those moronic statements helped “kill” Romney and their own cause. Democrats laughed with delight watching Republicans self destructing. American rejected the Republican party. If Republicans do not move away from George Bush and far-right loons in their party they are doomed. Also, the religious right is dying out so there are not enough evangelicas to support the Republican base and the remainder as you say are too aliented to vote.

  • Rebecca

    Bob666, Do you have anything adult to say or can you only parrot childish drivel like your masters in the Obama Administration?

    • Bob666

      “Bob666, Do you have anything adult to say or can you only parrot childish drivel like your masters in the Obama Administration?”

      First, I did not not vote for him. the comments I make are based on facts that I comprehend from rational sources, I do not “parrot” anyone and finally, what gives you the ability to make “adult” like comments?

      • Rebecca

        Bob666, You parrot when you attack people with personal barbs like telling them to “crawl back under the rock they come from” instead of sticking to the issue and stating your opinions based on the facts that you have gathered. Many years ago when I was in high school the debate teacher told us is that a sign that you are loosing a debate is when you start calling your opponante names.

        • Bob666

          Rebecca,
          And my mother told me that two wrogs don’t equal one right. So we both had someone that taught us as children that made an impact. “Do you have anything adult to say or can you only parrot childish drivel like your masters in the Obama Administration”

          So again, I ask you, what gives you the ability to make adult like comments?

        • Jeff

          “Many years ago when I was in high school the debate teacher told us is that a sign that you are loosing a debate is when you start calling your opponante names.”

          I realize that in oral debate, spelling doesn’t count for much, two spelling errors in one sentence? I agree with you, but sometimes opinions are expressed that are so crazy, you can only respond with a put-down. Now, a clever put down is always better than a crude one, but how do you respond to the folks who insist on comparing Obama to Hitler? You can’t take them seriously, so some form of mockery is all that’s left.

          • Bob666

            LMAO,
            “I realize that in oral debate, spelling doesn’t count for much, two spelling errors in one sentence? “

          • Rebecca

            Bob666, I realized that after I had posted my comment. Whoopti Doo!!

          • Joe America

            Just saw the tragic shooting of the kids and teachers in Connecticut. My heart goes out to the families of those who lost loved ones, today, especially parents. I’m afraid this awful tradgedy is already being used as an excuse to take away guns from law abiding American citizens. This massacre parrots the tragic shooting that occurred in Dunblane, Scottland, in March of 1996. The Connecticut shooting was much, much worse. It was shortly after the Dunblane shooting that firearms were taken from citizens of the UK. The public outcry was media driven, just as ours will be. It was Firearms Ammendment #2 Act of 1997, which ended UK citizens’ private ownership of firearms. Just as in the Dunblane situation, instead of focusing on the evil behind the guns, all the focus will be on guns. Thomas Hamilton, the Dunblane killer, was a frustrated pedophile who had long announced his insanity, before the shootings, but nothing was done until he killed a bunch of kids. This guy had even written crazy letters to high level members of the Brittish government and the Queen, before he had done anything and no action was taken. Taking the guns of honest citizens is not going to stop massacres. The criminally insane will still kill, using other methods.

          • Rosebud

            What happen in Connect was horriable,I’m sure it will take a very long time to heal. Some will say why did God allow this to happen. It wasn’t god fault. did anyone see God shoot any body? No! really! no a person took all those lives,and for what reason no one know’s That’s the problem these day’s why did God allowed this to happen. Well let’s see kids aren’t aloud to pray in schools or have a bible, The ten comandments are being taken down treated like a disease. Any word mention of God or Jesus is prohibited. Christmas programs at schools are not allowed so on. God was allowed in the schools at one time,but now thanks to a bunch of cry babies athiest,and thier buddies ACLU. He’s not allowed in schools any more..To all the athiest Merry CHRiSTMAS,and Jesus Loves you

  • Rebecca

    Robert, What racial slurs? Oops! I forgot if you don’t agree with the Obama administrations agenda that’s a racial slur! Funny how if you are an uberliberal like the white SEIU member who supported Obama but beats up an African American guy and calls him the N word that isn’t considered racists. This playing of the race card trivializes the real problem of racism like with the K.K.K., The Aryan Nation, La Raza, The Black Panthers, etc.

  • http://www.facebook.com/spencer.a.dahl Spencer Dahl

    What went wrong? You’re an idiot.

    • Jeff

      Maybe Wayne got the inside dope from Doug Feith.

      • Rosebud

        No! it’s called double standard it’s ok for the far left libs media bais to bash the republican’s,but it’s not ok for the republican’s to bash the dem. President Obama should be impeached.Some folk who think the king in the office is so great. He just this pass Thursday with excutive order to give out pay raises to Biden,Congress,and the superm court. Nice hu now he been elected for another 4 years he on a power grab,he by pass congress if he doesn’t get his way. The sandy folks that was a nice dog,and pony show, what a worhtless speach. Nice $4mil vacation to Hawaii and alot of sandy folks still don’t have homes. He alway talked about going forward well folks he did for him self. 4 more years of takeing vacation.and playing gulf. Oh can’t for get the Obama health care that was shoved down the American people’s throat.Obama talk about being a christain right sure. He mocked the bible while in church,and is a big supporter for the gay’s lesbains He supports the Islam brother hood that want’s to wipe out Israel off the map,also he supports right to have abortion’s. Since he given pay raises to his buddies, how many buisness will have to lay off employee’s because they can’t afford Obama worthless health care. Then again how many buisness will go out of buisness. Nice power grab hu!

        • Financially Insecure John

          Rosedud,
          “takeing vacation.and playing gulf.”

          how do you play with an ocean?

        • Jeff

          You have a lot more to seigh than the average sled but you make about as much sense.

          • Rosebud

            Yep! it was nice also. I see John doesn’t keep up with current event’s or he would have known that Obama played some gulf.That’s all Obama know’s is play lots of gulf,and takes alot of vacations, because he doesn’t know anything elso. When he gets in to a bind rather then take responsiblity for wrong doing he blames Bush. His whole adminstration is nothing but a total joke,but no one laughing.

          • Jeff

            Obama plays golf and basketball. Other presidents have played golf beginning with Eisenhower. W cleared brush; Reagan ate jelly beans; and Bush, Sr. claimed to eat pork rinds. Now, does any of that mean anything?

          • Rosebud

            Well!!!! DA!!!!!!! I said he play’s gulf!!!!!!!! So he played baskect ball. He’s taken more vacations,and played gulf. That’s all he’s been doing he’s doesn’t do anything elso. If he mess up on anything he blames Bush. He’s also not worthly of title comander,and chief. Oh his big dog,and pony show didn’t do a thing for the sandy folks Alot of them still don’t have homes; what did he do Go on another vaction. Thing about the media it was ok not a problem. Oh! no Bush went on vactions,and the press far left had a field day. He shouldn’t be going anywhere. Reguardless of what Obama does he can do no wrong,,,

          • Jeff

            Does your grand daughter know you’re typing nonsense on her computer again?

          • Joe America

            Jeff, You must have no life, as you live here 24/7. You’ve never bothered answering my inquiry, concerning how you can afford to live on this site. Someone must be paying you allot of money to come here. Maybe, George Soros?

          • Rosebud

            Yep! We know you talk alot of non sence. You always have been.

          • Jeff

            “Yep! We know you talk alot of non sence. You always have been.”

            Let me see if I can find a 3rd grader to assist you with sentence construction. Perhaps you have a great grand daughter who could help.

          • Joe America

            Jeff,

            Every one isn’t a professional paid poster/blogger, such as yourself. You see, some see this as an opportunity for expression, while your masters are simply paying you to come here and bloviate. Not everyone has George Soros and Michael Bloomberg to fund them 24/7. You’re not here for yourself, Killer, but you’re simply representing your masters/handlers. You’re someone sitting in a room with a keyboard, who’s being paid to come here and represent the views of the real killer elite of this world. The sad thing is, you’re doing so in order to receive a few bread crumbs from your handlers, but the truth is, when they’re done with you, you’ll go the way of the rest of humanity, doomed to irradication. You will not be part of the 1/2 billion to survive. Even if you did survive, you’d just be another piss pot carrier for the elite. For you, that’s probably better than death. Good boy, Killer. Keep earning that piss pot.

          • Financially Insecure John

            Rosedud is as Rosedud does,

            Run Rosedud, Run………………………………………

          • Rosebud

            How thoughfull for you to help me. I don’t any help,but I’ll try and find a first grader for you,because they don’t have a clue as to what’s been going. If anything they probably thought when Obama was playing gulf,and going on vaction instead of doing the work of as president for the people they thought they were watching a cartoons. Obama should be impeached,but the far left media bias protects the president. This president continues to blame Bush when he mess up,and If Bush did what he has been doing the far left libs and the media bias would have been crying all over the news wanting Bush impeached it was ok for Obama to go to hawaii,and it was ok the far left media bias didn;t say a word but when Bush went home the far left lib media bais had a field day. Some folks got what they wanted free hand out’s stuff.that why Obama got re-elected a president that told them that he would take of them. He has by give free stuff,and hand out instead of go out,and work for it. Big government to take care of them.

          • Jeff

            Have you had an original thought in the last 40 years?

          • Joe America

            Dear Comrade Killer, I haven’t read an original thought from you since you’ve been trolling this site. All I’m hearing from you are the planks of communism and personal attacks on everyone who doesn’t agree with the liberal/socialist/communist agenda. What’s really sad is that you couldn’t even go to Russia or China and ply your crap, because they’re giving it all up. Only liberal Americans are stupid enough to rehash what real communist have given up, simply because it didn’t work. You know, the definition of insanity is repeating the same thing, over and over, again, and expecting different results. American liberalism is rehashing socialism and communism, which didn’t work for the Russians or the Chinese. It’s ironic that leaders from both nations are remarking that America is going down the road that they have escaped. They can’t figure out why in the heck we’re doing this to ourselves. Well, Comrade Killer, Americans have learned that there is no reason to work. Why work when you can have someone give you something, for nothing. Soon, due to folks, such as yourself, we’ll run out of money; other peoples’ money. People who could become successful will stop trying, because they will be punished with taxes and regulations, so much so that it won’t be worth the trouble to run a business and provide jobs. “Socialism works until you run out of other peoples’ money” and we’re getting there, fast. Good Job!

          • Jeff

            Captain America:

            You are a cartoon character after all. No ability to reason beyond calling everything Government does “communism.” Go tell it to the Tin Foil Hat Convention.

          • Joe America

            Say what you will, Killer, but when the crap hits the fan, and it will, you’ll be thinking back at your posts and you’ll realize, the hard way, who was right, and who was wrong. Some people just have to feel the pain of life, in order to discover the truth.

          • Merl

            Those of you who wanted Barry got him. However, now you will have to pay for him with high taxes, inflation, recession, a casino stock market, no real interest on your savings, sky-high credit rates, deflated home prices, etc. With all the taxes, inflation, no jobs or real raises how can you ever get ahead? You exist to support the king. Until wealthy leaders can stop spending your money like emotional idiots on a shopping bender, the spree is on you.

        • Joe America

          I predict that President Obama will have the 22nd ammendment overturned and will run, and be re-elected for a third and forth term. He will go down in History as the second FDR. What makes me believe this will happen? I’ve watched this gentleman’s career very closely and have come to understand how he operates. I understand what motivates him. More than that, I understand who’s behind him. Only time will tell if I’m correct, but I believe it will happen. The fact is that everyone knows the 22nd ammendment violates the separation of powers, as guarenteed under the Constitution. As old Supreme Court Justices pass away, or retire, Obama will fill their seats with liberals, who will support the irradication of the 22nd ammendment.

          • Smilee

            Your full of $hitt!!b Also the Constitution cannot be changed or amended by either the supreme court or the president as they play no part in it.

          • Joe America

            Well, Smelly, I guess I struck a nerve. Here’s a lesson for you, which is that the Constitution guarentees separation of powers. The 22nd Ammendment clearly violates that tenant. You will never see Congress limiting their terms, and they never had the power to limit the terms of the office of President, because of separation of powers. This is the standing, which Obama and his team will garner to overturn this ammendment. I’ll school you on the fact that the duty of the Supreme Court is to serve as the last authority and power that keeps Congress from passing laws that are un-Constititional. It is also designed to keep Presidential powers in check. However, they do not intervene until a challenge has been made. So far, Republicans and Democrats have been silent on this issue, because, since as long a both were playing by the same rules, there was no need to challenge the 22nd ammendment. However, things have changed, now. Obama is not like any president we’ve ever had, not because of his racial background, but because of his influcences throughout his life. One only has to observe how he has risen to power, to understand his intellect, and what drives him. I would say that there’s never existed a President who was as sure of himself, his purpose and his destiny, more than Obama. He’s absolutely sure of who he is, what he wants for this nation and how he’s going to achieve it. And, he’s been wise enough to surround himself with a brain trust to fill in any gaps where he might be lacking. He knows how to use all the pieces on his chest board.

          • Smilee

            You remind me of a dog chasing its tail, round and round and getting nowhere but dizzy. You are as messed up as that dog, dizzy and confused!!

          • Bob666

            Hello Joe,
            “Obama is not like any president we’ve ever had, not because of his racial background, but because of his influcences throughout his life. One only has to observe how he has risen to power, to understand his intellect, and what drives him. I would say that there’s never existed a President who was as sure of himself, his purpose and his destiny, more than Obama. He’s absolutely sure of who he is, what he wants for this nation and how he’s going to achieve it. And, he’s been wise enough to surround himself with a brain trust to fill in any gaps where he might be lacking. He knows how to use all the pieces on his chest board”.

            I must take issue with you on this one Joe, we did have a president just like you have described and I voted for him.

            His Name was Richard Milhous Nixon

          • Joe America

            Bob, I think the difference is that Obama’s smarter than Nixon. He’ll avoid Tricky Dick’s mistakes.

          • Rosebud

            No! the diffrence between Nixson,and Obama. One lied,and other one 4 american’s were killed. Neither one is or were smart.

          • Rosebud

            To those who think Obama is so wonderfull,and great thinks he’s a king can do no wrong. Can they say for sure where,and how thier great king,and “leader” going to get the funds for his Shoved down the american people throat health care bill. Then again when was the last time the power hungrey King took responsibilty for anything since he’s been in office Never.He also said he cut taxes? Where all he’s been doing raiseing taxes.Where are all those jobs he said he created? The ma pa business either had to lay off workers or close down thanks to Obama,and the EPA regulations. I guess as long as the president is still giving hand out’s free stuff who cares. He will take care of them then who’s paying for all hand outs,and free stuff. The working tax payers. I don’t see Obama takeing it out of his pockects to pay for anything. Nice to see a president by pass congress if he doesn’t get what he wants screw the American on what they want. He letting the power goes to his head do what I want not what you want me to do.

          • Rosebud

            NO!!!!!!! Rosebud doesn’t do what rosebud doese!!!!! Obama hasn’t been going by what the consitution say’s……He created,and wanted a big government other wise he wouldn’t have chosen all those Zars. So far the president still hasn’t taken responsibilty for anything. Everybody been rejoying when the not worthy of the title President was shoveing a health care bill that know one in congress ready. Loud mouth Pelise when need to pass the bill before we know what’s in the bill away from the FOG?? what was up with that. She was in the fog she was lost….President was partying ln los veg while the embassy was being attacted what did he do not a thing,except stand up infront of the united nations ,and blame the attact on a video when the video didn’t have anything to with it. 4 american lives were taken,and he didn’t take responsiblity for it. He should have instead he let some one elso take the blame for it. If he did then he knew he would have been in trouble,but the media bias protected him big time. Then he went to do a photo oped for the Sandy folks pretending to help,and he didn’t while folks were with out a home on Christmas Obama went on another vacation,to Hawaii and he played gulf again!!
            To this day he still hasn’t take responsiblity for anything. If he gets into a tight spot that he know’s he could lose his power then he blames others,and the media has been protecting him big time. Bush would have been impeached for what this president has been doing. Folks make obama out to be a king I will take care of you. He’s power hungery

          • Jeff

            Joe:

            “As old Supreme Court Justices pass away, or retire, Obama will fill their seats with liberals, who will support the irradication of the 22nd ammendment.”

            The ignorance of your posts is surpassed only by your illiteracy. Try using the right words occasionally. Now, do you understand a Constitutional Amendment is not eradicated by a President or a Supreme Court? No one is seeking to overturn the 22nd Amendment and it would have to pass both houses of Congress by super-majority votes and be ratified by three-quarters of the states. The odds against that are approximately the same as the mothership coming from Venus to bring you back home. In addition to all that, if the Amendment were repealed, the repeal would not apply to a sitting President, only to future Presidents.

            So, please confine your criticisms of Obama to terms more within your comprehension. Call him a poopoo head. It’s more your style.

          • Joe America

            Jeff aka Killer, This ammendement will be challenged, because it is a clear violation of the separation of powers. Congress never had the power to limit presidential terms. As well, you can see that Congress has never put term limits on themselves. Obama and his team are well aware of this. The 22nd ammendment was unconstituional to begin with, which is the caveat that will provide his team the Constitutional standing to challenge it. The Supreme Court, indeed, does not make the law, but it can decide, whether, or not, a law is Constitutional, which the 22nd ammendment is not, and never has been. Jeff, your handlers don’t like the fact that this cat is out of the bag, do they?

          • Jeff

            Captain America:

            I know you once thought you knew something but you were mistaken. The 22nd Amendment is not a law; it is a Constitutional Amendment. If it were simply a law passed by Congress, it would have been overturned by the Supreme Court a long time ago. It is akin to flag burning. If Congress made flag burning a federal crime, it would violate the 1st Amendment. Even Scalia is on record saying that. But a Constitutional Amendment does not need to be consistent with the 1st Amendment. Honestly, don’t you have a middle school civics student you could check this stuff out with? Why do you think the 22nd Amendment has been in place for some 60 years without challenge?

          • Joe America

            Dear Blow Hard, Amendments are laws. And, Amendments can be changed. As well, they can be challenge as to their Constititionality. The 22nd Amendment was and is a violation of the separation of powers, as laid out in the Constitution. All Obama needs is to replace retiring or dead Justices with his supporters and it’s game on. He’s a bright guy, and I think he’ll do it. The fact is it should have never been passed in the first place. Congress clearly overstepped their Constitutional authority and all Obama needs to do is challenge the Constitutionality of the 22nd Ammendment and he’ll be home free to run for a third term. And, if he’s successful in overturning that amendment, he’ll run again and he’ll win, bigger than the last time. Why? Because there will be so many people dependent upon government to survive, they’ll vote for him. If he’s really smart, and I believe he is, he’ll take advantage of our natural gas and oil reserves, using the taxes gained to fund massive pubilc works that will make FDR’s pale in comparrison. You’re full of sass, Killer, but not knowledge, and you certainly have no foresight. Otherwise, you’d be a Libertarian, instead of a liberal.

          • Jeff

            Where is your support for the proposition that the Supreme Court can overturn a Constitutional Amendment it deems “unconstitutional”?

          • Joe America

            SECTION 2.
            The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;–to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;–to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;–to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;–to controversies between two or more states;–between a state and citizens of another state;–between citizens of different states;–between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.
            In other words, Killer, the US Supreme Court is the court of last resort, concerning the law. And here, we go, with “Congressional Encroachments”, which the Supreme Court has dealt with in the past.
            http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/separationofpowers.htm
            When Congress created the 22nd amendment, it “encroached” upon the powers of the executive branch. The precedent is there, all Obama and his team has to do is kick the door open and walk in. Once they challenge the 22nds amendment, then it will be in the Supreme Courts lap.
            Just because an amendment has been passed, doesn’t mean it’s Constitutional. Congress “encroached” upon the executive branch with the passage of the 22nd amendment and that can be corrected, if challenged in the Supreme Court. You see, the President cannot create a public law, limiting the terms of Congressional members. Likewise, they should not have pass an amendment, limiting terms of office for the executive branch. It’s all a matter of just how gutsy Obama wants to be. And, I think he’s a pretty gutsy guy.

          • Jeff

            You can call it “encroachment” all day, but it’s still a Constitutional Amendment. An amendment can be a lot of things – unwise, counterproductive, in desperate need of being overturned – but it cannot be “unconstitutional” any more than the 2nd Amendment can be called unconstitutional. Congress did not pass the 22nd Amendment into law. It passed both houses by super-majority votes and was ratified by 3/4 of the States. It would take a similar process to revoke it. Nothing you cited addresses the issue of an “unconstitutional” amendment.

          • Smilee

            Totally true, Jeff

          • Joe America

            Well, girls, here you go:

            http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_US_Supreme_Court_case_is_revelant_to_Amendment_22
            http://ratiojuris.blogspot.com/2007/01/can-constitutional-amendments-be.html

            Don’t come to a gun fight with tweezers and a bottle opener. Smelly, you and Killer are really weak on the Constitution and that’s no surprise, since liberals don’t care about it, anyway.

          • Smilee

            Joe

            You are totally wrong on the Constitution and you read to much far right propaganda whose information only leads you astray and has turned you into the dummy you have become

          • Joe America

            Smelly, you and Jeff, like all liberals, are over confident, so sure that you are on the right side of the issue. It’s your arrogance that is your true enemy. I feel sorry for you, for you, and the poor folks that rely on you to provide them with leadership, especially children, provided you even have children, for if a crisis should arrive, and it will, you all will go the way of the Dodo bird. The SWHTF and when it does, it’s going to splatter all over you, your associates and the ones you love. You will have led them down the wrong path. Simply, you will have let them down. And, sadly, you’ll recall your arrogance with terrible regret. Think things are “getting better”? Better reaccess our economy, which is to collaps into Great Depression II, very soon. When roving gangs are coming at your family with malicious intent and all you have is a hand full of skin to protect them, well, I hate to even think about it. As for Obama’s abiltiy to overturn the 22nd amendment, I think that gentleman has the abiltiy to carry out about any goal he sets. He’ll overturn the 2nd amendment and all the Bill of Rights. It’s happening right now, as I write this.

          • Smilee

            Joey, It is not arrogance it is knowledge and wisdom two things you know nothing about. I do not thank it is arrogance on your part I think it is stupidity and then you inject a lot of irrelevant rhetoric in a feeble attempt to give us a snow job something you are becoming famous for on here

          • Jeff

            No President can overturn a Constitutional Amendment. He can appoint Supreme Court Justices who interpret it differently. With the 22nd Amendment, it’s hard to see how many ways there are to interpret it. With the 2nd Amendment, if you read it in its entirety, it seems to be leaving the issue of gun regulations to the States. In any event, the “rights” it establishes aren’t necessarily for any weapon at any time.

          • Joe America

            Jeff, All aggrivation aside, separation of powers guarentee that one branch cannot achieve advantage over the other. Congress took it upon themselves to limit presidential power by limiting terms. This also negates the will of the people. If you can get a successful leader that the people want, and who’s doing a great job, why not allow them to be relected? Two four year term limits actually hurt this nation, because the president, during his first term, is more concerned with his second term than he/she is getting anything done for the people; this nation. Obviously, Senators and Congress-persons will never allow anyone to limit their terms. Congress cannot supercede their limits, and they have with the 22nd amdendment. Look, I’m not advocating that Obama do this, but I believe he will. Why? Because it was unconstitutional for Congress to do it in the first place. All it’s going to take is a challenge in the Supreme Court to overturn the admenment. And, if he replaces retiring Justices with friendly choices, it could well happen. I believe it will, simply because he makes Clinton, who though he was “Slick Willy”, look like an amature.

          • Smilee

            I agree that there should be, be no 22nd amendment but it can only be repealed by 2/3 vote of congress congress and approval by 3/4 of the the states by the amendment process not through the courts or just by congress, You got the process completely wrong.

          • Joe America

            The Supreme Court uses judicial review to declare actions by the President or Congress to be invalid if they are contrary to the Constitution. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land and no presidential act or congressional laws may conflict with it. The Courts are the interpreters of the laws and as such they interpret the Constitution and laws to decide if they conflict with one another.

            Further, it allows the Judicial Branch to “define” that law by answering questions about it that are not spoken to directly in the regulation itself.

            Chief Justice John Marshall clearly affirmed the power of judicial review in the case Marbury v. Madison, (1803), when the Court declared Section 13 of the Judicial Act of 1789 unconstitutional.
            It should be noted that the US Supreme Court, for the most part, determines what laws to review based on decisions made in lower Federal Courts. In most cases the Court waits for a case to be presented to them. It then can reject hearing the case or depend on the ruling of the lower courts.

          • Smilee

            The SC can judge a law but not the Constitution, they never have nor can they, the Constitution is in effect their bible and they have to go by it so they cannot and will not sit in judgement of the 22nd amendment. Your going to feel real foolish and stupid when you discover this fact with all this egg on your face.

          • Joe America

            Simlee, an amendment that is out of line with the constituion is under their purvue. However, until the amendment is challenged, they can do nothing. Let’s see what happens over the next four years. I think you’re going to be very, very surprised.

          • Jeff

            The likelihood of Obama challenging the Constitutionality of the 22nd Amendment and running for a 3rd term is roughly the same as that of his morphing into the body of Richard Nixon.

          • Joe America

            Jeff, Let’s hope you’re right. However, time will tell.

          • Bob666

            Very well put Jeff, While the discussion is good from a technical perspective of the law, I don’t see the American people buying into a third term for Obama or any other recent president, other than maybe Bill Clinton and I don’t see that happening as well.

            Obama will fade off on the horizon in four years, build his library so it can house his Nobel Peace prize and life will go on.

            From another perspective, I can’t wait to hear what you guys think of Chuck Hagel being over defense?

          • Jeff

            Symbolically, it’s a good move as it puts a former enlisted man, and a wounded vet at that, in charge. He’s certainly better than Rummy, but he won’t make a huge difference in foreign policy. The president still makes the calls but good advisors are always helpful. McNamara was seen as the archvillain of the Viet Nam days, but before that he may have been the hero of the Cuban Missile Crisis. The Generals wanted to invade; it was McNamara who advised Kennedy to not listen to the generals. Of course, it was Kennedy who made the call. Similarly, Hagel’s views will not mirror those of his generals.

          • Joe America

            One blind man says to the other blind man “There is no hell” and the other blind man retorts “You’ll see.”

          • Smilee

            All amendments are a part of the Constitution so how can it be out of line with itself, and if this was allowable how would the judges decide witch part trumps the another part if a later amendment changes the meaning of an earlier part of the Constitution then that part would be the current part aside from that all parts are equal and that includes the 22 amendment so there will be no surprises in the next four years unless congress and the states decide to amend the Constitution further during this time aside from that nothing else can change what it is now.

          • Jeff

            There are many provisions in the Constitution written so that they must be interpreted and re-interpreted as times change. The 4th Amendment and the 8th Amendment are two examples. What is “reasonable” today may be different from what was reasonable in the 1790s. The 22nd Amendment is not one of those. There is no way to read that Amendment other than the way it is intended. The President is limited to 2 terms or 10 years if he succeeds another President. The only way a President can be elected to a 3rd term is for the 22nd Amendment to be repealed by another amendment.

          • Joe America

            Jeff, The real issue, here, is unexplored territory, which lease a wide birth of interpretation of Supreme Court power. My sources tell me that the Obama administration is looking into this. Now, I’m not an Obama fan, but then I’m not really wild about polititians, in general. They all seem to be the same kids in high school who were running for student council. They want to be in control of others, period. All that being said, I’ve never liked the two term limits for president. One of the reasons why China is moving so far ahead, and so quickly, is that their leaders don’t even have to worry about re-elections. They have a “Peoples Political Consultative Conference held by the Party Congress”, where new leaders are chosen. You can’t be over 65 and lead. People are vetted for leadership skills over a long period of time, are well educated and, once chosen, are given ten years to carry out the mission. This means that China can plan many decades in advance. Hell, our leaders can’t plan for next week, much less decades from now. I think getting rid of the 22nd amendment would give the US an advantage, allowing us to have a leader thant can actually accomplish things for the American Citizens, besides continually running for election. It would be more people driven, vs party driven. The fear that drove the creation of the 22nd amendment is that we might end up with a dictator. I think the real fear is that someone might get in that the people really want to lead them, as opposed to the corporate/elite, who simply buy new a new president each election.

          • Jeff

            I tend to agree with you concerning the genesis and the wisdom of the 22nd Amendment. It was the Republicans’ revenge for FDR’s electoral success. In the years since its passage, the Presidents who might have run for a third term were Reagan (despite clear signs of senility by 1988) and Clinton. Eisenhower was too old and frail by 1960 and W, well, was W.

            But you’re equating an Act of Congress with a Constitutional Amendment. The fact that the Amendment began in Congress is irrelevant. It passed by the requisite margin and was ratified by 3/4 of the States. It is now part of the Constitution, so the only way to repeal it is via another amendment. Prohibition was ended this way. The Supreme Court can no more declare the 22nd Amendment unconstitutional than it could declare a portion of the 14th Amendment violative of the 5th Amendment. They are both parts of the Constitution and have to be read together. If there is a conflict, the Supreme Court determines what the constitution means in a given instance. Given the clarity with which the 22nd Amendment was written (as opposed, say, to the 2nd), there isn’t much room for interpretation.

          • Jeff

            That’s a good try, Captain, but not quite. You’re talking about a State Constitution in violation of the U.S. Constitution. A State cannot limit the terms of its federal office holders without violating the U.S. Constitution. It certainly could limit the terms of State office holders and many now do. The 22nd Amendment is part of the Constitution. Similarly, the U.S. Constitution could be amended to limit the terms of members of the House and Senate. It might be inconsistent with Article 1 of the Constitution, but a duly passed amendment becomes part of the Constitution.

          • Jeff

            “Don’t come to a gun fight with tweezers and a bottle opener. Smelly, you and Killer are really weak on the Constitution and that’s no surprise, since liberals don’t care about it, anyway.”

            Captain, don’t hurt yourself trying to think. By “weak on the constitution” I assume you mean we disagree concerning interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. And saying liberals don’t care about the Constitution really demonstrates your extraordinary ignorance. In the 50s and 60s, liberals’ arguments for civil rights and women’s rights were based in the 14th Amendment – you know, the one conservatives want to repeal because it says people born here are, (gasp) citizens.

          • Joe America
          • Jeff

            I don’t pretend to be any financial expert, but if there’s a way for the Administration to avoid a pointless fight over the debt ceiling, I’d favor it. The last time this happened and there was serious talk of default, our credit rating took a hit. Given Boehner’s difficulty getting his caucus to pass anything, even paying debts already incurred, I’d like to see Obama find a way to avoid that. The debt ceiling has been raised many times and generally without any question, particularly when a Republican is president. As soon as a Democrat gets elected, the Republicans suddenly remember the deficit. I just don’t believe the Republicans really care about the deficit at all. They care about tax cuts and about starving the government so it can’t pay social security, medicare, etc. They know those programs are popular so they can’t challenge them directly. They think if the government has no money, they won’t be blamed for cutting or eliminating programs they have always opposed.

            The subtext of all this is that our deficit is due to Obama’s big spending. It isn’t true:

            http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/obama-romney-deficit-debt-chart.php

          • Joe America

            Jeff, If you or I ran our households the way our elected officials run our government, we’d all be in the poor house, right now. Resources, particularly financial ones, are finite. I fear that, very soon, the piper is going to have to be paid, resulting in Great Depression II.

          • Smilee

            You got that totally wrong the supreme court has no constitutional authority to change any part of the Constitution and once an amendment is ratified and if it differs from what was existing at the time then the amendment is the then the current existing constitutional authority and the court can not change the constitution period

  • Bob666

    I believe that you are giving Rosebud far more credit than she can verbalize or express with a key board.

    • Financially Insecure John

      “Loud mouth Pelise when need to pass the bill before we know what’s in the bill away from the FOG?? what was up with that. She was in the fog she was lost….President was partying ln los veg while the embassy was being attacted what did he do not a thing,except stand up infront of the united nations ,and blame the attact on a video when the video didn’t have anything to with it”

      It would appear that Rosedud has spent a little to much time around industrial chemicals or her mother did while she was pregnant with Rosedud. Phonics could never help her.

      “She was in the fog she was lost” Rosedud, you seem to be quite at home in the “fog”.

      Rosedud is as Rosedud does,

      Run Rosedud, Run………………………………………

      • Smilee

        You wrote:

        “Loud mouth Pelise when need to pass the bill before we know what’s in the bill away from the FOG?? what was up with that. She was in the fog she was lost

        My response:

        Whine whine whine, You misquote her as do all the far right wingnuts do. She said we have to pass the bill so they will know I’ll what’s in it. and so they will be able to separate what is in it from all the misinformation being presented out there. People were confused by all the lies about this law and are just now starting to see what it really is so she was right. Pelosi knew what was in the law and so did the responsible representative but the far right wingnuts got a lot of mirage out of it and now we will find out what is in the bill as everyone will be effected by it and then know what it is as Pelosi said.

        • Joe America

          Dear Smelly, You, picking on Rosebud is really the pot calling the kettle black. As for Bella Pelosi, she’s as evil as she looks. She’s right in there with the NWO folks who want to take away all of your rights and stick you in the middle of a police state, no rights, no freedoms. You won’t admit or understand this until you and yours are in concentration camps, then, when you’re being herded into the showers aka gas chambers, your light bulb will flicker on. And, you’ll say to yourself “What was I thinking!”

          • Smilee

            Your totally wrong on this and full of $hitt and rude too.

          • Jeff

            Don’t mind Captain America. Sarah Palin told him the ACA provided for Christopher Lloyd to have him “dipped” as in “Who Framed Roger Rabbit?”

      • Rosebud

        I think financially Insecure John needs to run he’s been in the fog way to long.

        • Financially Insecure John

          Rosedud is as Rosedud does,

          Run Rosedud, Run………………………………………

          • Rosebud

            Financially Insecure John is as Financially Insecure John does

            Run!!!!…Financially Insecure John….Run!!!

          • Financially Insecure John

            Rosedud,
            Is copying and pasting the work of someone else’s work the only way you can spell something correctly-your not even original!

            By the way, I’m sure there is a box of chocolates’ with your denture marks somewhere around the love shack

            Rosedud is as Rosedud does,

            Run Rosedud, Run………………………………………

          • Rosebud

            No! I didn’t copy anything. Yes! I’m orignail. Thiers also a box of chocolate’s for you also. Don’t forget to put your dentures in they might be hard to eat without them.

            Financially Insecure John is as Financially Insecure Does

            Don’t forget to Run Financially Insecure John make sure you put some stuff
            on your dentures so while your running they won’t fall out.

          • Financially Insecure John

            Rosedud is as Rosedud does,

            Run Rosedud, Run………………………………………

          • Rosebud

            Financially Insecure John is as Financially Insecure John

            Run!!! Insecure John Run!!!!!

            It’s Rosebud not Rosedud looks like Insecure John needs to use spell check Humm?

          • Jeff

            Some typos are just typos; some are poetic license.

          • Financially Insecure John

            Jeff Gets it, Rosedud, well………………………some never will.

          • Joe America

            John, Think you’re insecure, now? Well, lets take a look, here:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xwf0dP1XBw
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay3Al1EDdXY
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1zh5roPmXI
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6giBgW4S3k

            Yes, your liberal/socialist/communist handlers have it all planned out. You’ll be chipped, just like cattle. Hello George Orwell’s 1984.

          • Joe America

            Rosebud,

            I understand what you are trying to relay to everyone. Just a suggestion from a friend, which is to type out what you want to say in word, spell check it and then copy and past it in the box. This will garner more respect for what you’re trying to say, and will give the nasty people less to pick at.

          • Rosebud

            One Joe American were not friends,because I don’t know who you are or what you do,and don’t care. Tryed to find spell check nothing.

          • Jeff

            Spelling is just a new-fangled, Communist idea anyway, Goddurnit!

          • Joe America

            Rosebud, Point well taken. You’re on your own.

          • Rosebud

            point well taken. Your on you own? where have you’ve been I’ve alway’s been on my own on here. I watch current event’s try to keep up with what’s been going on out in the world. It could afected you as well I my self. I try to have an open mind. Now Moody’s has just warned the US of another down grade,and or default. A president that’s on a spending spree,and won’t take responsiablity for any thing. continues to blame the last admintration for everying. Obama said it was a mess when he came in to office he said he cut taxes.He didn’t clean up any thing nor did he cut taxes, He’s had created a mess,and raised taxes. He also sign an excutive order giveing Biden,and Congress,Suprem court a raise,while folks were getting layed off,and buisness closes thier doors for good. I’m Lucky,and blessed to have what I have now,because God forbid I could wake up the next day,and have nothing. My self I think this president is power hungery.He doesn’t get his way thur congress he uses the excutive order. Like I said I’ve been on my own on here.

      • Joe America

        Financially Insecure John, What happened to make you financially insecure? Just curious.

        • Rosebud

          Nancy Pelosi was,and always have been in the fog. She just can’t find her way out.

          • Jeff

            “Nancy Pelosi was,and always have been in the fog. She just can’t find her way out.”

            That’s nice. Now take your pill and let your nurse tuck you in.

          • Rosebud

            I see you need a nurse to give you pill with cookies,and milk,and then tuck you into bed and read you a bed time story.

          • Jeff

            The “I’m rubber, you’re glue” thing ended around 1st grade. Is this your 2nd or 3rd childhood?

          • Joe America

            Rosebud, I was talking to John, about his financial problems. Not about Bella Pelosi.

  • Merl

    Rosebud is right

  • Bob666

    Rosebud /Merl

    You can bash “Barry” all you want (and there is plenty to work with) but the congress is the big problem, more so than the executive branch. You folks can sit here and spin your conspiracy theories about stolen elections, a third tem and all of the rehashing of FOX news and right wing radio that you want. But, until you sober up and see the real problem, you wont be able to solve that problem.

    Many of you speak that your beloved GOP lost it Christian base and that’s the problem, Horse -Hockey!

    People like Lee Atwater and Karl Rove saw that people of religion operate on blind faith more than facts. They figured out that a word from the pulpit makes more of a lasting impact than a TV commercial and figured out how to manipulate that word from the pulpit to their political advantage.

    Many of us who were around well before Reagan and his pro-life stance which started the religious right movement, knew the GOP stood for fiscal conservatism and many of the libertarian fundamentals that have not be a part of the GOP platform for a very long time.

    As long as the league of angry old white men (of which-I qualify) burry their heads in the sand and ignore the real demographics that drive our population today and disenfranchise them, the GOP will be DOA at the polls.

    That is why you have “Barry” for a second term-see below:

    Monday, December 31, 2012

    Voters continue to believe that most members of Congress are for sale and that their own representative is as guilty as the rest. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 60% of Likely U.S. Voters now believe that most members of Congress are willing to sell their vote for either cash or a campaign contribution.

    While many in Washington dismiss such perceptions by claiming that people hate Congress but love their own representative, voters are skeptical of their own representative as well. In fact, 57) think it’s likely that their representative in Congress has traded votes for cash. That includes 28% who believe it’s Very Likely.

    • Rosebud

      Just so you know Bob666 for your info Obama had both house,and senate to work with during his first term. What did they do NOTHING!!!! back door deals and wouldn’t let the republican’s in on what was ever going on Obama said he cut taxes he did no such thing all he’s done if raise taxes. He didn’t clean up any mess he created more of mess all his he shoved a his so called Obama care down the american people’s throats they dudn’t want. He didn’t help any one build any buisness. He’s been creating job’s yea he has for a bigger government job’s He just sign an excutive order to give Biden who’s a joke as vice president a raise,and Congress plus the suprem court while the mom’s pop’s are closeining thier business,and those buisness t have to lay off thier help because they can’t afford Obama out rages health care. He want’s to raise taxes so he can offord those pay raises that he just gave out. He’s been letting every one do the work for him so can play more gulf,and take more vactions. Also his sectary of state is the most travel sectary in history. ObamaI haven’t seen this president since he’s been in office take responsiblity for anything. He’s been to busy placeing the blame on some elso. He should have been impeached for those 4 americans that lost thier lives over Liba,and he’s the president that’s was his job to protect them,and he didn’t

      • Bob666

        Rosebud,
        Boy, where does one start?

        “Also his sectary of state is the most travel sectary in history. ObamaI haven’t seen this president since he’s been in office take responsiblity for anything. He’s been to busy placeing the blame on some elso. He should have been impeached for those 4 americans that lost thier lives over Liba,and he’s the president that’s was his job to protect them,and he didn’t”

        Do you ever use a spell check? most of capitalize important concepts and people, like America because they command respect.

        As far as Liba, this is news to me, is that somewhere on the Gulf or is that a game they (the Libarian’s) play there. Did the Libarian’s invent the sport of Gulf?

        As far as being president, “his job to protect them and he didn’t” was he to be there with a gun or is he like Sata who knows when you’ve been sleeping?

        You obviously have so much to say, we just don’t know how to properly listen?

      • Jeff

        Rosebud:

        It’s been so nice visiting with you, but I have to get back to Planet Earth now for New Years Eve.

        • Rosebud

          That’s where you’ve been all this time in outer space I’m already on Planet Earth,and have been for quite some time now.Happy New year to you also.

    • Joe America

      Bob, You’re absolutely right on this one. The Republicans are no saints, and the Democrats are just Republicans dressed in rags, pretending to support “the little people.” Both of these parties prostituted themselves out to big business and the banks, nearly from their very beginnings. What we have here is, what appears to be, two extremes. However, both parties serve the same masters. There is no middle ground that supports the American people. Those days have been long gone. Great post.

  • Rebecca

    I wouldn’t rely totally on Spell Check. Unless you have the newest version it doesn’t spot the differences between words that sound the same but are spelled differently. For example, there like as in there it is, their as in ownership or they’re as in they are.

    • Jeff

      Computers can make errors, too, only computer errors can be much larger. It’s why it’s a good idea to be able to make change even if you work at McDonald’s. The cash register might tell you to give the customer $2,000 in change and it might be helpful to know that can’t be right.

  • Financially Insecure John

    Joe America says:

    January 2, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Financially Insecure John, What happened to make you financially insecure? Just curious.

    Late 50′s, three kids and only one is worth a dime. My house is under water and a wife who looks at me as the cash cow. I work for a corporation that once was good to work for until an an idiot CEO almost flushed it completely and I have had to screw over a bunch of now former colleagues just to keep a job while I report to “MBA”s who are stupid.

    Does that sum it up for you?

  • Rosebud

    The United States In Prophecy
    The Two horns on the lamblike beast represents the Separation of Chuch and State..
    NATIONS are of this world, Their mission is not to make sinners unto saints,But To
    Keep Order Among Sinners Who Will Not Be Saint!
    (Thus the God-bestowed police power of the state is Authorized and described
    In Romans 13)
    But chruches allied with the state become COERCIVE CHURCHES…And that’s WRONG
    To force to act or think in given manner dominate,restrain or confront force bring about by force (KEEP THEM SEPARATED The prophecies of Daniel Revelation.
    Some info I looked up and found.I like studying,and research bible prophecy,and alot of what s been going on today in the world might have alot to do with bible prophecy.

    • Financially Insecure John

      It’s OK Rosedud,
      Take your meds and put on your tin-foil hat and the Tralfamadorians will not be able to monitor your actions.

      Stealth Rosedud, stealth…………………..

      • Rosebud

        You need to take your meds and put on a tin foil hat. I’ve also notice you have had nothing elso to say about anything. That because you filled with nothing,but hot air.

        Stealth……Insecure John……Stealth

        • Financially Insecure John

          Rosedud,
          Better to put out hot air than semi-coherent babble with the sentence structure of a chip (a really stupid primate at that) showing every fifth word being miss-spelled. You tend to parrot my comments and those of others and that tends to be your only grammatically correct post. Perhaps you should wrap the rest of your body with tin-foil as the Tralfamadorians are watching you……….

          Rosedud is as Rosedud does, Run Rosedud-Runnnnnnnnn!

          • Rosebud

            All you like to do is attack others,because you really don’t have anything to say. You need to wrap your head in foil so you won’t lose anything.While your at it don’t forget to take your meds.

        • Jeff

          Do you always repeat the last thing someone says to you? I think it’s time you returned to the Home where they’ll watch out for you.

          • Rosebud

            No! you need to return to home when you come back to earth. I know you don’t have clue
            as to what been going on. We are living in very dangours times right now,and it’s only going to get worse. Folks keep asking where was god or why did God allow this to happen what ever it may be. Well lets see he’s been kicked out of schools kids aren’t aloud to pray on thier free time. Ten comandments taken down off the walls in the class rooms kids aren’t permited to read the bible on thier free time. The Athiest has a cow,and so do the ACLU. America is,and has been on the fast track of passing law’s allowing same sex couples to get married. It’s possiable that the US is have been seeing god’s judgment
            droughts powerfull hurrican’s more intence powerfull earth quakes costing billionsof dollars. In damages. President Obama supports same sex couples,abortion,and Islam,
            I think Romney supports same sex couples. Something happen to the stock markect after that it a big sell off. It’s hard to catch up when your lost I guess that means you.

  • Financially Insecure John

    Rosedud repeats as Rosedud Reads

    Repeat Rosedud, Repeat………………..

    • Rosebud

      Well it ‘s quite odvious that insecure John still doesn’t and don’t have a clue
      as too what’s been going on out in the real world,because he’s still in his own little world. It’s nice to see that he supported a president that doesn’t have a clue as to what he’s doing. It was nice to see the current president living it up in Hawaii playing gulf,and baskect ball so on.while the sandy folks are still with out homes’s I liked Obama dog,and pony show. No red tape right FEMA is no where to be found. It was nothing,but a show,because obama didn’t really care..He used the sandy folks just to get re-elected.
      The bunch of far left lib media cryed foul,and trash Bush about the hurricane that hit
      New Orleans,but not Obama he’s the spending spree president,and blame others for
      his mistakes he’s know if he does take responsiblity he knows he could be impeached.

      Insecure John repeats also,because he doesn’t have anything to say. That’s a shame : (

  • Bob666

    Yo John & Rosebud,

    I am glad that one of you is conceding since I’m sure that most of us got tired of this pointless banter long time ago.

    John, you sure have some pent up issues to resolve, but pick on someone your own size.

    Rosebud, you really need to pick your battles wisely. Old John has some issues, but you bring this crap upon yourself. Think for a couple of minutes before you post something. Read it and re-read it and ask yourself if it makes sense because most of your stuff is pointless.

    It takes time to be original and have depth, cutting and pasting someone else’s work is quick, but pointless and gives you little credibility.

    • Rosebud

      Lets get one thing straight Bob666 I didn’t bring anything on my self!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I didn’t and don’t need to pick my BATTLE’S WISELY!!!!!! John was just full of him self I also
      DIDN’T cut,and past someone elso’s work,and what your self bob6666,and John post on here is totally pointless. Neither one of you showd any credibility ither. Alot of what you,and Bob666 didn’t make any since. It’s just like to far left libs crying foul when they called on,and yet it’s ok for them to tear some one elso down. The far lef libs thinks thier never wrong. I thought it was great that your president claims he cut taxes kept the economy from crashing,and he did no such thing of a king he’s been on spending spree.I
      I also like it when he said his adminstration was going to be the most transparent.and yet
      all those closed back room deals,and wouldn’t let the republican’s in. Nice to see the president claim to be a christain,and yet stand up in church,and mock the bible. Let me guess you all missed that part or you just didn’t want to see it. It’s also funny when the bible is mention or God mention it’s called meanless,and belittle that person. Whe I brought both of them up. It was like a hurricane had come thur. That’s alright like I said we
      are living in very dangours times,and according the bible it’s only going to get worse.

      • Bob666

        “The far lef libs thinks thier never wrong. I thought it was great that your president claims he cut taxes kept the economy from crashing,and he did no such thing of a king he’s been on spending spree.I”

        Rosebud,
        Your problem is; you make a lot of assumptions regarding people and most often, prove your self to be wrong without help from any of us. This will be the one and only post that I make to you because you bring nothing to the table and I will not waste my time with you.

        You tried to “Shoot John” and he shot back. The difference is; he nailed you and that is said because at least he was original while lacking substance. You just lack substance and do damage to yourself. But hey, don’t listen to me or anyone else since you are the “knower” of all things and you will prove me to be correct as you will not be able to walk away without responding to this post.

        That Roosebud is why John nailed you and nailed you well. “Just so you know” Obama is not my president and I would bet that in a contest of conservatism, you would lose hands down. But where you really lose is-There is no contest between us (at least not for me there is no contest)!

        It really is OK for people to have a different opinion or a different set of beliefs than you do, it does not make them wrong, just different and grown-ups can accept that.

        I will agree with many others on this board, Medication could help you, but one has to admit to a problem before you can solve a problem and you are truly on your own.

        • Rosebud

          I don’t need any medication you all do. No! John didn’t nail me all I didn’t lack any substance….You,and John must have missed it this president was going to be the most
          transparent most open president. If this president is so great ,and wonderfull to you
          then where was he when the 4 american’s lost thier lives? Can any one you explain that one me!!!! If he wasn’t partying in Las Veg then where was the president at. If Bush
          had done what this president did. You don’t believe Bush would have been impeached?
          If so then what the diffrence between President Obama,and Bush thier isn’t any the
          the far left libs media bais has been protecting this president.

          What about the Sandy folks he said they would get help no red tape no politice,and
          he flew off on another vaction,and yet alot of the sandy folks still don’t have a place
          to live. All I seen was nothing but a dog,and pony show just to get re-elected.

          He said he cut taxes? trying to clean up the mess that bush left. He didn’t cut any
          taxes. He hasn’t cleaned up anything he’s made more of a mess. I take you all
          were for the shoved down the american’s people throats the Obama so called health care bill. Where is Obama going to get the funds to pay for it.

          What about the illeagle immigrants getting that aren’t even supposed to be in the us
          and the government give them hand out’s food stamps,ssi a place to stay,and yet we
          have homeless veterans, what about taxes. Fox news an illeagle immigrant,and part
          of his family got $50.000 income credit bacause they claimed to have 8 or 10 kids
          they only had one,and the rest of that tax payer money went to the rest of his family
          elso where,and fraud big time,and the IRS knew about ,and didn’t do a thing,and if
          you all did that you would had to pay it all back,and or go to jail for tax fraud

          I find it insulting and a slap in the face that american’s who need it the funds don’t
          get it the refund from the IRS,all because illeagle immgrants they need to be deported.

          • Financially Insecure John

            “Fox news an illeagle immigrant,and part of his family got $50.000 income credit bacause they claimed to have 8 or 10 kids they only had one,and the rest of that tax payer money went to the rest of his family elso where,and fraud big time,and the IRS knew about ,and didn’t do a thing,and if you all did that you would had to pay it all back,and or go to jail for tax fraud”

            Off her medications witht the longest run-on sentance in the history of personal liberty.

            Run-on Rosedud, Run-onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!

          • Rosebud

            So! what happen I see you’ve been runing!!!! I didn’t have any substance? Yet You didn’t bother to answer any questions that I asked you. Another thing when it came to the bible I didn’t say anything about what anyone beliefs. I said that Romney,and Obama supported same sex couples. Obama said at first he was against same sex couples now he’s for them? He needed thier votes. Since you seem to think that I lack substance,and you think your so smart then why don’t you tell me what’s been going on what I’ve been missing.

          • Financially Insecure John

            What you have been missing is your medication.

            Medicate Rosedud, Medicate………………………….

          • Joe America

            Folks,
            Do any of you think we’ve beat this dead horse to death, or is it just me? Right now, I’m more concerned about the crazy idea of the trillion dollar coin. What do you think about that idea?

          • Rosebud

            Yes we have thanks for for reminding me I’m also concerned about the dept, it’s almost like they don’ really care thier in for themselves.

          • Bob666

            Yo Joe,
            Yes, that horse should be dead and burried. I would like to see an email that did not include those two, one sees sport and the other sees an opportunity to hang her self.

            When I heard about this platinum coin, the first thought I had was screw the gold standard, we are going to the platinum standard. While I’m not an economist, if you look at history, each great civilization has required some precious metal to back the wealth of the government that minted coin for currency.

            The US used its economic stability to go off of the gold standard in 1971 with the rational that seven of the industrial countries that made of the free global free market system were stable enough not to require the backing of a precious commodity. This mentality continued with the forming of the Euro and I remember the arrogance of that union taking over the world back in 1996 to replace the dollar as the world currency. Fourteen years later, we see how successful that has plan has been.

            I must admit that I am not on top of this issue, but it is one of the many economic cycles that takes place in one’s lifetime. If you look at the big picture, as society evolves and the need for resources, something else might replace that platinum coin at some point.

            I have not given up on America just yet. I believe we have some difficult times ahead, but we will prevail, American’s always do.

          • Rosebud

            So! you think your so smart. No! one seen any opportunity to hang my self if you will. I just see things a diffrent way then you do. I’m sorry you couldn’t care less, because the
            econmony isn’t all that great now. I see the same thing about the Euro,and the world currency. One world currency prehaps. No! I don’t see things getting better either. Obama pushed thur the taxes he wanted. How many folks are going to see less on thier
            pay check. I kept saying it we think it’s bad now? I don’t see it getting any better ither,but one can only hope. My self the way I’m see it things happening,but could it be possiable that a one world currentcy coming to gether. Just curious wonder what will happen if our
            leaders,and president doesn’t back up Israel stand with them,and not against. them.

            It might already be happening as we speak. Those folks who own gold would it make any diffence. My self I can only wonder.

          • Bob666

            “So! you think your so smart. No! one seen any opportunity to hang my self if you will. I just see things a diffrent way then you do. I’m sorry you couldn’t care less, because the
            econmony isn’t all that great now. I see the same thing about the Euro,and the world currency. One world currency prehaps. No! I don’t see things getting better either. Obama pushed thur the taxes he wanted.”

            Rosebud,
            I know that I am going to regret this reply, but here it goes. Obama is to blame for the sinking of the Euro???? Do you ever think about the things that you read?

          • Rosebud

            Yes! I do, I think about alot of things, My question how could Obama be blamed for sinking the Euro, He also said that we don’t have a spending problem any yet he still borrowing from china. Well aren’t you concerned about Obama spending tax payers money like it was candy. I don’t know that much about the Gold but I’m still learning. Some
            odd reason I see some thing elso when it comes to the Euro then again I could be wrong,

          • Rosebud

            . You’ve been missing your Mediicate. You didn’t answer one single question that I asked you. let me guess you didn’t know the answers or you just like lectur,people on what little you know.

          • Financially Insecure John

            Rosedud,
            Actually I just get amused watching you copy and repeat everything that you read and reply to. If I thought you were capable of an intelligent reply I would engage you, but watching you predictably parrot and reply is like watching a lab rat chase cheese. Lab rats just tend to be smarter with a greater capacity of common sense.

            Repeat Rosedud, Repeat

          • Rosebud

            I see you rather make fun,and laugh at people. You think you know everything thier is
            to know.but yet your not smart enough to answer the questions that I asked.

          • Joe America

            John, for a guy that so irritated with Rosebud, you certainly spend enough time bantering with her. I think I see a little crush. It’s the kind of thing you see with little boys, who have a crush on little girls, but instead of admitting it, they stab them with pencils or throw rocks at them.

          • Rosebud

            Please!!!!!!! stop it the both of you!! Insercure John all you’ve done if put me down. John you seem to think that you know every thing. I think you have an ego problem. Joe thank you but please watch your mouth. I didn’t asked for any of this. Like I said Just because I see thing diffrent doesn’t mean I’m wrong I might be right also. The same goes for the both of you. If you can’t except then oh well

          • Financially Insecure John

            “Like I said Just because I see thing diffrent doesn’t mean I’m wrong I might be right also.”

            Never had an origional thought!

            Rosedud copies and Rosedud paste………………

            Copy Rosedud, Copy!

          • Rosebud

            John you must be insecure,and an IQ that ZER0 Your not orginal either,but then again you like putting people down to make your self look good. Well you know what I know your going to continue to call me,name’s,and belittle me,because that’s what you like to do you don’t have anything elso to say. Your a total loser,and low life and a total waist of time.You need to get off computor take your meds also or quit sniffing what ever you’ve been snifing.

          • Financially Insecure John

            “Your a total loser,and low life and a total waist of time.You need to get off computor take your meds also or quit sniffing what ever you’ve been snifing”.

            Deja Vu- Oh, I already said that-you copied and pasted it.

            Past Rosedud-Past………………

          • Rosebud

            No! you didn’t. I didn’t copy or paste,any thing. You get your kicks,makeing fun of people.calling them names. You know what like I said that’s your MO. I’m going to be checking,and reserching some things. So go make fun of some one elso,because that’s what you like to do. i already know what your going to say Runnn Rosebud Runnnn.
            Well that workds both way’s.

          • Joe America

            Rosebud,

            Write whatever your wanting to say in Word, then, spell check it and then copy and paste it into the comment section. This will help you get our point across, much better. It gives people less to pick at. I think your point is to get your point across. Following my advice will help you accomplish this.

          • Rosebud

            Insecure John you don’t how to be orginal,becasue you’ve been to busy putting me down,and calling me names. We’ll you know what I couldn’t care less any more because i
            know now no matter what I say or how I say it that will be your MO make fun of ,and belittle people. You are nothing,but a low life,and with a 0 IQ,and waist of hot air,and time. Go see a doctor,and get some help. I know what you will say Rosebud is as Rosebud does repeat,and copy, Run Rosebud Runnnnn. Funny you copy to.

          • Joe America

            Barring Rosebud’s grammer, she is correct about illegals filing for child tax credits they don’t deserve. The sad thing is that the IRS won’t pursue illegals’ tax fraud liability, because it’s too hard to find and prosecute them. On the other hand, American citizens are fair game and easy to get to. And, the average person can’t afford a tax attorney or CPA to help them out of the situation. Chech this out, John:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eQZoXAU7X0

  • Rosebud

    So far I have asked insecure John questions,and so far he hasn’t, didn’t answer a single one. That tells me he likes to lecture people instead..I hope it will be a great year?

    • Financially Insecure John

      Rosedud,
      take your meds and leave your computer alone and we will ALL have a great year.

      Medicate Rosedud, Medicate………………………….

  • Rosebud

    I just see power grab,and total arragance by this president,and the union’s throwing fits
    for buisness to go union, the suite big wiges can collect thier due’s for thier own personal
    gain. To heck with the workers. Fox news a man has 10 wifes,and 10 kids. I didn’t find it
    amuseing at all,but rather discusting. Sorry for any miss spelled words. Trying my best.

  • Rosebud

    I see the president ,and the vic is or has been injoying excutive power to by pass congress to get what he want. To heck with what the american people want. what’s
    the point in electing a congress if the arragant king Obama thinks he can do whatever he want’s he cut taxes yea right all he’s done the past four yrs is raise taxes. I don’t think
    I’ll be watch the hypocerit Obama take that the oath of office useing the bible,and yet
    he mocks ,and makes fun of it. I wonder if any how many more buisness will be laying
    off or just closeing altogether that’s to obama. He didn’t inherant a mess he created
    a created a bigger mess. Goodness four more year of his nonsence. Oh well

    God help this country.

    • Joe America

      Rosebud,

      Please, I agree with some of what you’re trying to say, but my advice is to say it better. Write your comments in Word, then spell/grammar check it, then copy and past your final draft. Trust me, your comments will carry more weight. Anyone can make a typo or have a mis-spelling. It’s human nature. Give it a try.

  • Rosebud

    Thank you I started to do the spell/grammer check,but something got messed up.and needs to be fix.Until them I’m trying to do the best that I can for now. Thanks for your help.

    I do know that during Obama first term when he was campaining that he said keep the guns something about the second ammendment.Thiers a picture of him,and what he was say about ammedment. He made him self to look like a hipocrit. Now that he’s won a
    second term. He’s starting his powery hungrey trip. Congress needs to step up,and slow
    him down. My self congress needs to start on the impeachment process. If Bush did what
    he’s been doing the far left libs media bais would pushed for impeachment,but thier
    to busy protecting Obama. Like he’s a king or a God,and he’s neither. That’s a shame

    • Financially Insecure John

      Rose what-ever,
      what is the differance between Obam in his second term and “W” in his second term?

      • Rosebud

        No! it’s not what ever Insecure John if you think your so smart then look it up your self
        I don’t need you makeing fun of or belittleing me again. Grow up get over your self.

        • Financially Insecure John

          Let me answer, there is no differance-”I have political capital and I intend to use it” proclaimed “W” after his ellection.

          There is no differance Rosedud, now what so ever.

          • Rosebud

            Good for you do what ever you want I couldn’t care less. Let me guess you,and Obama are good friends now? I’m surprised Obama staff hasn’t contacted you to come,and work for him. Then again he used you to get elected,and now he doesn’t know who you ar
            more or less he kicked you to the curb.

          • Financially Insecure John

            Well Rosedud,

            To Quote Ronald Regan, “there you go again”, thinking that you know everything. I am a tired and true republican, but I’m also a realist when it comes to politics. Some of us use our brains and people like you just parrot talk radio.

            Parrot Rosedud, Parrot………………………………

            (Parrot: a repeater of something that somebody else has said, without thought or understanding).

            (Realist: Somebody who only considers things as they are or appear to be, and avoids ideals and abstractions).

            Just in case you wondered what those big words meant.

            Parrot Rosedud, Parrot………………………………

          • Rosebud

            No! you think you everything thier is to know. The far left Iibs media bias calls the
            republicans names when they disagree with them. Obama say’s one thing,and turns
            it around,and blames some one elso some thing he did. He’s raised taxes you tell me
            what buisness are going to have to layoff folks,maybe have to close thier door’s
            Congres has the lowest rateing ever,and thanks to Obama US was down graded
            he doesn’ know what cuting taxes means
            Also it was nice of him to give his thug firends a Big pay raise Biden the supprem court
            can’t for get congres. That’s probably the reason why the folks get less pay,because
            he needs the hard working folks taxes for thier pay raise.
            It would be funny he use the pay raise to get what he want’s. By the way did you happend
            to see Obama get fined big time dollar for something about what he did during a campain
            Do you even care if this president is possiably on a power grab? That a dictator
            for ya. Real nice hu. Then again all you like to do is make fun of,an belittle me.

          • Financially Insecure John

            “Then again all you like to do is make fun of,an belittle me”

            Don’t need to, you do such a good job of that on your own……

            “belittle” Rosedud, “belittle”

          • rosebud

            No!! you like makeing fun of people at their expence. You do a good job of makeing fun of an belittleing me. I see your buddy Obama has been by passing congress. Your buddy Obama for got he workds for us. How nice of him to raise taxes so his wife can take more vaction’s, at tax payers expence. He can continue to play gulf,because he doesn’t know how to do anything elso except blame everyone elso. If he did he would have been impeach a long time agono second term. Sectary of state was first lady then senator, she just power hungery. Just like Obama is now.

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