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What Now?

May 16, 2011 by  

What Now?

Over the past several months, we have seen rioting in some Arab and European countries. The riots were sparked by the high costs of food, government austerity measures and government oppression.

We have some of the same dynamic going on in the United States. But through a system of bribery, the U.S. government has succeeded, at least temporarily, in preventing Americans from rioting in the streets.

The number of Americans now on food stamps is 44,082,324 as of December 2010, up 13.1 percent from a year ago. This is more than 14 percent of the U.S. population. Unemployment is at 9 percent, and President Barack Obama and Congress have extended unemployment benefits to 99 weeks.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average stands at about 12,700. It first hit this mark in late 2007 — more than four years ago. Of course, because of the bursting of the housing bubble, the Dow could be much worse. It dropped to 7,063 in December of 2008. But the political elites threw money at the Dow in order to prop it up, to give America a sense that things were alright. After all, a rising Dow means prosperity… right?

But Americans are too busy and distracted playing with their iPad 2s and gossiping on Twitter about Charlie Sheen’s rants to have any time to protest in Washington, D.C.

As a result of QE2, the Federal Reserve is now “buying” 70 percent of U.S. Treasuries. You can believe it or not as you wish, but the U.S. government is in a state of collapse.

Precious few are prepared. You are warned: We have alerted you for many months. Now this is a flashing red alert.

Please remember that in the coming inflation, food stamps and all U.S. entitlement programs will come to a complete halt.

For those millions on Social Security and/or other entitlements, I do not believe that these will be stopped or cut per se. But the same effect would come about through inflation of the currency. My friends, you will get your money, but it will be so worthless that it won’t buy anything.

So what’s new? We have experienced this for years.

We have warned for years to buy silver and gold and store food and water. Ha, doesn’t sound so way out now, does it?

Please keep your gold and silver and food in your personal possession. It amazes me how quickly people will trust someone else with their gold and silver. Don’t do it!

Is it too late to buy gold and silver? The answer is “No, no and no!” As the Fed destroys the U.S. dollar, you will look back at how cheap gold and silver are now.

Stocks? Yes, gold and silver stocks and energy stocks — concentrate mostly on oil stocks.

Buying gold and silver and oil stocks and storing food and water are the only ways Americans can survive the chaos we are now in.

You ain’t seen nothing yet. Be alert!!

Should you sell your gold and silver as it corrects down? Never! If you do, you will be painfully sorry. Do you think you are smart enough to sell and buy back in at a lower price?

You aren’t; you will lose your shirt. Stay with the trend. This guarantees your bull-market position all the way to the top.

What will happen at the top? Stay with us, as we stay in tune with the markets.

Be reminded that gold and silver and food will outrun the collapse of the dollar. If the U.S. dollar goes, as it surely will, you can begin bartering with your most valuable assets.

Some suggest that a new dollar will appear, backed by silver or gold. I don’t know, but I expect that or some quasi-gold monetary system. (Steve Forbes predicted last week that the U.S. would return to the gold standard within five years.)

Are the U.S. government and Federal Reserve system collapsing? I can easily answer that with this question: Is the U.S. dollar collapsing? A currency that is being depreciated or inflated is, by all definitions, collapsing. This fact has nothing to do with whether we believe it.

Can it be stopped short of collapse? If stopped now, it would cause a collapse even sooner. What do we mean? We mean we have passed the point of no return. Too much fraud and too much debt exist in the U.S. They must be washed away.

What currencies will be left standing? We believe the Swiss franc and the Canadian dollar, but these will have to return to gold backing finally.

Keep in mind that most of the American people are totally oblivious to what you read here at Personal Liberty Digest™. Life in the near future will be very, very hard for them.

How long do we have? It appears to me that we are very close to economic and social collapse. But times can yet wobble along for months or even a few years. It is certain things will get visibly worse in many ways, especially now that the endgame is here.

One of the prominent events of the endgame is more war. The U.S. has wars going on in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, the later begun under the pretext of humanitarianism and to end the oppression of the Libyan people. Another war, this time with Pakistan, is brewing following America’s incursion into that country to execute Osama bin Laden. We are firing missiles at suspected terrorists in Yemen.

It is all a pretext to hide the collapse of the American empire, along with a desperation to control the world’s oil. It proves the foxes are still in charge of the henhouse, and the henhouse is on fire!

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • DaveH

    For those who think it can’t happen here, read this:
    http://academic.reed.edu/economics/parker/f10/201/cases/Argentina.html

    Keep in mind that Argentina in the early 1900s was one of the top 10 economies in the world. And geographically they are very similar to the United States (but on opposite sides of the equator). The difference? Mainly politics.
    Fasten your seat belts, it’s going to get bumpy.

    • TIME

      Dave,
      Your dead on target with your post.

      But saddly the Monkeys / Sheepe will do as they are told, saddly there are only a few of us that grasp the gravity of the nations fate. As I recall Tazz stated it was 5% of the population, I submit I feel its even a smaller number perhaps only 1% at most.

      How sad that rather than advocates we send to DC instead “Professional LAW MAKERS” hell bent on creating laws that enslave us.

      • Tazio2013

        Sapere Aude TIME,

        The 5% figure was a serious error; my current calculation is actually less than 1% but I use the term “Onepercenter” for clarity. In my pragmatic realistic objective viewpoint (IMPROV), BHO will get a second term by a slim margin which suggests that we, the open-minded, critical-thinking, reality-living, freedom-loving, justice-demanding, truth-seeking “Onepercenters” of America, need to focus on the election of POTUS 45, November 2016, and break the hold of one party Republikrat rule. By that time we may be “Fourpercenters” with some positive influence re the trajectory of the US SPEEKE (Social Political Economic Existential Knowledge-based Ethical ) System.

        Semper fi!

        • Cawmun Cents

          Detroit

          • Void1972

            As America Collapses, U.S. Government Secret Plans Revealed.
            On March 13th 2008 there was a secret closed door meeting of The United States House Of Representatives in Washington. During the last 182 years in the history of The United States, this is only the sixth time a secret meeting has been held by The House. Even though Representatives are sworn to secrecy by House Rules XVII, some of the members were so shocked, horrified, furious, and concerned about the future of America by what was revealed to them inside the secret meeting, that they have started to leak this secret information to independent news agencies around the world. The mass media said almost nothing about the secret meeting of the House, mentioning only one of the items being discussed. (The new surveillance techniques that are going to be used by the U.S. Government to watch all American citizens). The story was first released in a newspaper out of Brisbane, Australia revealing the contents of the secret U.S. Government meeting and plans for America including all of its citizens. Shortly thereafter, David J. Meyer from Last Trumpet Ministries found it and made it more
            available for the world to see. Here is what was revealed:

            1. The imminent collapse of the U.S. Economy to occur sometime in late 2012

            2. The imminent collapse of the U.S. Government finances sometime in mid 2012

            3. The possibility of Civil War inside the United States as a result of the collapse

            4. The advance round-ups of insurgent U.S. Citizens likely to move against the government

            5. The detention of those rounded up at “The REX 84 Camps” constructed throughout the United States

            6. The possibility of public retaliation against members of Congress for the collapses

            7. The location of safe facilities for members of Congress and their families to reside during massive civil

            unrest

            8. The necessary and unavoidable merger of The U.S. with Canada and Mexico establishing The North American Union

            9. The issuance of a new currency called the AMERO for all three nations as an economic solution.

            Obviously, there is no documentary proof for the above as the meetings were secret. The information, however,
            does fit the profile of what is going on around us. Our Almighty Savior is ultimately in charge. Time will tell
            if these things are so, and time is running out!
            Update: It is interesting looking back on this story now that we have lived through such an economic roller coaster over the last year. The economy did collapse and there is no denying that. The only thing that has
            prolonged the illusion that we all live in now, is the fact that the government powers in America and the world pumped trillions and trillions of dollars into the banking systems and the pockets of the exact people who got us all into this mess in the first place. Watching the mainstream news paint a picture that everything is going to be okay, really sickens me because if you watch all levels of world news like I do then you understand that
            America is doomed and by believing the lie, we are all to blame. How long can the illusion can be maintained?
            A few months, a year maybe? This is unknown.

          • granny mae

            The collapse of the US is planned and dirrected for one purpose only and that is to force us into the one world government. That is why Obama is doing everything he can to sever the unity of the US and Israel. Together we could be a great force but divided we fall. People that is what is happening with all our allies and Obama was put in this position to do exactly as he is doing. Once he has accomplished what he needs to with the US then the powers that be will place him at the head of the new world order ! This is not going to be a fun ride and all this talk about an uprising is planned.
            The sooner they can make that happen the better it is for the Dems. because then Obama can call for marshal law and bring out the troups and then there will be no election. In this situation everyone needs to think smart, walk softly and carry a big invissable stick !
            With Obamas foreign policies and the storms and decissions to blow the dikes to flood the farm land, there is going to be a lot of problems to face and no government to help you out so guess we will all have to rely on ourselves ! I hope everyone is getting ready !

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          Tazio:

          Do you in your heart of hearts believe there will be a #45 and an election in 2016? I do not. For if you are indeed correct the Communist-In_Chief will by then be a full-fledged dictator.

          Your thoughts?

          • patricia

            Perhaps there will be an election, but it will be only to “justify” their doing what they do best……absolutely NOTHING. Remove the source of the contagion…!

          • Christin

            Old Henry,
            That’s exactly what I was thinking… President #45 probably will never come if the ‘end game’ is the NWO…

            But then again, the Ruling Class in America may try to keep up appearances that we still have a working government so as not to wake anymore sleeping sheeple…. and TPTB will need dictators to carry out their plan and keep it and people undercontrol world wide.

          • Wayne

            Old Henry, it will like the elections in Russia. They will have elections just to make everything look good, but old Obama might be pulling the strings behind the scense. Good golly, isn’t this a scary though???? We just can’t let that happen.

          • kodster5

            The moment that martial law is declared, to keep the masses in control, you can kiss elections out the proverbial window. That’s all that is needed, riots on a national level, like what happened in the countries of the middle east, to impose martial law, and elections get suspended, for as long as the “president” in office declares it. I look for it to happen in the next few weeks, especially with “Secretary of Treasuruy” Tim Geithner reporting that they’re going to tap into the retirement plans of the federal employee sector, in order to support the government, starting on Monday. Does anyone remember what happened in Wisconsin over the public school teacher’s retirement plans? The riots in the capital, the protestors coming from all over the country, et al? That was just a preview of what will be happening, on a federal level. Look for it, folks!

          • denniso

            Well,Bob Livingston is keeping up his fearmongering w/ the hope of higher gold prices,and keeping you scared sheep in line. It’s as old as the hills and a big aspect of religions keeping people in the pews and dropping money into the hat…here it’s getting people to pay out money for survival junk and buying into the gold bubble. No, Bob says he has no interest in gold or silver or survial gear,but it all ties in together. He has advertisers and supporters of this site and books
            sold about the end being at hand…it also plays well into the hard rightwing politics which is also fear based,especially now.

            The high number of people on food stamps? Sure,the right has helped redistribute the wealth in the country to the top,leaving many millions at the bottom working jobs that don’t pay enough to survive on. The wealthy are paying less in tax rate than thay have in 80 or 90 yrs. Subsidies to big biz,tax breaks to corporate america,like the 4 billion ea yr to the oil industry, have helped out the fat cats at the expense of the middle and lower classes. The economic crash of ’08
            has left millions unable to find work that will put food on the table,so many have turned to gov’t help. The crash that was aided and abetted by less regulation and by greed pushed in the name of ‘free markets’.

            Don’t fall for the fear mongering! The sky is not falling! The market is way up,employment numbers are also up,biz is hiring. There are always prople predicting the coming collapse,either religious quacks or so called economic experts who usually have at least the vested interest of selling a book. It’s a modern medicene show w/ phony cures being sold.

            DaveH likes to repeatedly mention Argentina and equate our difficulties to theirs. Bad comparison and essentially meaningless because we are the largest and still most important economy in the world,as well as the only real superpower left. As long as the world views us that way we have the capacity to pull out the economic troubles we’re in. Raise taxes on the wealthy and we would see most of the crisis over the debt vanish. We’re undertaxed in general,compared to the past half century,when we were mostly a booming economy and leading the world.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Man dennissio, you really are high on that ole’ kool aid, aren’t ya?
            You have no credibility, Remember, The opposition always claims opposing news is “Conspiracy Theories”, and they themselves have either, had they’re hand creating, exploiting or benefiting by it in some way. Again, you have No credibility here!

          • DaveH

            So what is Denniso’s defense of his position?
            Denniso says “DaveH likes to repeatedly mention Argentina and equate our difficulties to theirs. Bad comparison and essentially meaningless because we are the largest and still most important economy in the world,as well as the only real superpower left”.
            Have you folks ever heard a more ignorant reason why our monetary system won’t collapse? Because “we are the largest and still most important economy in the world”?
            That’s like saying the Packers can’t lose next year because they were this years champs.
            Denniso, you are a joke. Come back when you can support your position with logical statements.
            As I pointed out, Argentina was once one of the top 10 economies in the world (now about 37th). And their currency collapsed. But that couldn’t happen by Denniso’s very faulty logic.

          • Kate8

            Denniso – I suggest you take this “sheeple quiz”. Let’s see just who are the sheep.

            http://dprogram.net/2011/05/16/are-you-a-sheeple-take-the-sheeple-quiz-and-find-out-mike-adams/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wordpress%2FBcwy+%28Deprogram%29&utm_content=Yahoo%21+Mail

            I suppose we all are to some degree, depending on our ability to discern, but many of us are beginning to put the pieces together.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Jovi, er, Denniso:

            Gold & silver prices are not controlled by Bob. They are controlled on a much, much larger scale – globally. Those folks see the crumbling U.S. economy and the devaluing of our dollar and are going to precious metals. The financial mess in Europe also plays a role, but the dollar being the world’s reserve currency and falling apart is a key aspect.

            God Almighty requires us to give back ten percent to Him. We do that thru churches and by giving to the less fortuante. It is not fear mongering – as a general rule.

            Anyone who lived thru the idiot Carter’s term knows exactly what happens when the money supply is over-heated. Having gold and/or silver on hand is a good idea. If you get in by dollar cost averaging as in stocks you should not come up short in the long run.

            As far as “the survival junk” it is all stuff that you can use eventually even if the worst does not occur. The bunkers – as I said earlier – ifn it gets that bad, AMF. I’m packin up my blue suede shoes, grabbin a ticket to ride and jumpin on the Last Train to Clarksville and take my chances.

            Right-wing politics fear based? Have you ever listened to your Socialist Party? Momma gonna be eating dog food. They are going to kill all the old people. They are going to steal your SS. Blah, blah, blah…

            Food stamp recipiants have soared because THERE ARE NO JOBS OUT THERE. Why? Little Barry’s policies are designed to kill jobs, put people out of work and onto govt dependecy. How many oil field workers has he put out of work for instance?

            JFK lowered tax rates in the beginning of his administration. That helped “the rich” as well as others. The economy took off.

            It is not the guvment’s money. It is our property.

            You are, however, right about the tax breaks / subsidies. They ALL need to be gone – yesterday. Sink or swim.

            They have been in place a long time so I would guess most were put in place by democrats and then “improved” by RINOs.

            The crash of ’08 was caused by democrat policies forcing banksters to make bad loans to people who did not have the $. That made the dems feel all warm and fuzzy. W tred to get that reversed around ’01 and he was vilified in the press and by the dems as a racist. W predicted just what happened. I am very suspect about the timing of it all even though it was inevitable.

            Fall for the fear mongering? Well, an ounce of prevention… And as I stated, it’s all stuff we will use eventually anyway. And we get it at today’s prices. Looked at hamburger lately Jovi, er Denniso? In 6 months it has almost tripled in price.

            Business hiring? Umemployment is up to 9% and actual umemployment is 16 to 20%. The jobs that are available, to use the 80s dem vernacular, are just hamburger flipping jobs – literally.

          • Tazio2013

            Old Henry,

            You may indeed be correct in your speculation re virtual dictatorship by January 20th 2017 and yes, I admit that in my heart of hearts I lean towards optimism re a non-Republikrat POTUS #45. During the next +/- 6 years we may experience a couple of game changing “Black Swans” and the return to and re-establishment of a Global De Facto Private-Market Gold Bullion Standard which, IMPROV, will be a vast improvement over the current corrupted fiat currency fraud. You may be interested in this:

            http://www.caseyresearch.com/editorial.php?page=articles/gold-silver-ratio-another-look&ppref=CRX217ED0511A

            Also, suggest that you subscribe to and read The Daily Bell if your interested in a timely and relevant POV re objective reality.

            Tazio2013

          • Tazio2013

            You may be interested in this:

            YAHOO! Ron Paul is gonna be the next President!

            Imagine how strong his following will be AFTER THE CRASH of the fiat monetary system!

            The weekend I want to bring back a very important article on the Road to Roota:

            US Prepares For Gold Standard
            http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/350.cfm
            Remember…it’s always darkest before the dawn.

            Have a restful weekend.

            Bix

          • TulsaRob

            This class envy/warfare has to stop! It is a disease propagated by liberals and the media. It simply amounts to economic racism. “The rich” are the people who hire us, buy things, start new companies, etc… “The poor” don’t get poorer, the money is devalued by lousy economic policies made by our government. The rich pay almost all of the taxes collected. They do not get any breaks, at best they might get to keep a little more of their own money. Taking away someones property (money) and giving it to someone else is theft, no matter what the excuse is for doing it. obama wants to re-distribute property, but he won’t lead by example. I read that if he had not used deductions and tax breaks on his last years income, he would have paid around $200,000 more in taxes. It takes me five years to earn that much. He should start by using his and his rich democrap buddies’ money and quit propagating class warefare. Hating someone because of what they have and taking it away from them is not only un-American, but also un-Christian. God wants us to help the poor and we should do so of our own free will, not by having our property stolen from us, against our will.

          • K. D. M.

            If obama and crew cheat to take the 2012 elections I doubt that there will be any 2016 election. obama and crew will find a way to end all voting in the USA, declaire himself supreme ruler of our country and anyone that has a problem with that shall be put to death. They have been planning to take down America for a long time now. We just may be seeing the end of our time.

          • granny mae

            Old Henry,
            You got the picture for sure and Denniso is still wearing his rose colored glasses ! Sorry buddy but when you start getting hungry remember all the times you said it ain’t going to happen and don’t come knocking on my door ! You are an idiot !

          • granny mae

            TulsaRob,

            Obama’s plan for redistrubuting wealth is not to take from him and his cronies but any wealthy not of his same mind set. Besides he is too stupid to realize that you can’t take from one to raise up another because what you are really doing is lowering the one you took from to maintain the sorry good for nothing you give it to. You maintain the low income and drop the middle income to the lower level. That makes the majority of people at the same level (low level) and much easier to control. The higher incomes are always going to be higher and so you will have a two class society. High income and low income. That is why Marxism doesn’t work. It always sounds good and apeals to the lower income level, but it doesn’t work the way they think. There always has been and always will be people that want something for nothing and really don’t want to work for anything. They could get out of poverty if they wanted to study and apply themselves in school and then be willing to work hard when they get out of school. Problem is the first thing most of them do when they get some money is buy a big fancy car. You can’t eat it, you can’t for the most part sleep in it for long, and you sure can’t pay your other bills with it, so what good is it to you? Too many people have their priorities screwed up now days.

          • SherylS

            I think Obama’s Master Plan is to accelerate our country’s destruction, so that when people actually are rioting in the streets because of lack of food (and no Government assistance because the Government will be bankrupt), he will have an excuse to declare Martial Law and suspend elections “until the country is once again stable”. He knows that he’s so unpopular he hasn’t a chance of being elected, so he needs to make this happen before November of next year. Everything he’s done lately is calculated to this end. For example, virtually telling the Border Patrol to stand down and let the illegals in, so as to increase the number of people asking for Government handouts….. Trying to bully Israel into giving back Palestinian lands, increasing social unrest and public outrage….. Spending, spending, spending faster and faster, to ensure our country goes bankrupt sooner….. Etc. Analyze it yourselves; can you think of other explanations for his actions?

          • SherylS

            Re my earlier comment: instead of “elected”, I meant “reelected”.

        • Wayne937

          Tazio2013, all I can say is I hope and pray your wrong in your prediction. I don’t think this country can stand another 4 more years of a dictator, like Obama. In fact we will be lucky if we will ever recover from his first 4 years. If people will just get serious and start studying Obama on how he has screwed up this economy, creating high gasoline prices which are also effecting all consumer prices, printing more money to keep the economy struggling along, they will not vote for him again. I feel we are heading in the direction of Argentina. It is as plain as the nose on a persons face. People just need to open their eyes and look to see what is happening. My prediction is if the economy stays at the current rate, unemployment rate stays high as it is, gasoline prices high, Obama will lose by a marginal rate. This goverment has to stop borrowing, printing more money, and start paying the bills. Giving foreign aid to countries like Pakistan has also got to stop. They cut social security benefits to the those on social security and give money away to our enemies. Giving Brazil 2.5 billion to drill over there does not make much sense to me either. Obama told Brazil we would be one of their berst customers by buying oil from them. What in the world is Obama thinking???? How could any sane man, or woman, vote for a man like Obama? I sure couldn’t. Of course, I keep my eyes open, and I have analyzed Obama for what he really is. He is a man with a lot of rhetoric, (hot air) that can fool folks who does not look behind the scenes at what is going on.

      • DaveH

        Don’t be so pessimistic guys. I think things can turn on a dime in this country. What we have going for us is a history of Freedom and some very wise forefathers to learn from. Also, we do have a very educated populace. True they are severely propagandized, but the fact, that they have spent the effort in the past, tells me that they can learn reality. And they are going to get a big wakeup call soon (if they haven’t had enough already).
        Here is some good evidence that the people are awakening:
        http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/april_2011/64_of_gop_voters_see_divide_between_public_and_government_as_biggest_since_the_american_revolution

        • kodster5

          DaveH… one word… PHOOEY! Polls can be, and are, skewed to reflect the rosiness of the situation. That’s why so many people are looking at us “onepercenters” as being lunatics. They don’t want to open their eyes and see the truth, open their ears and hear the truth. As Time says… Monkeys? See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

          Even my own husband refuses to speak of the truth, choosing instead to look for the short-term, rather than the long-term. I’m the one getting my plants started for my garden, stocking food up, etc, while he’s gorging himself on it, thinking of only the here and now. That’s one of the reasons why I’m moving on without him. I can’t afford his short-sightedness for my OWN survival, and I’ll be damned if I allow him to drag me down, because he refuses to think of anyone past himself.

          This is the problem with the majority of the American public. They’re too busy enjoying the “good life” to realize that the situation is dire!

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Kodster:

            Ya gotta do what ya gotta do, but don’t be hasty. I read your Friday post, and Christine’s(?) reply, over the week end. I now sounds like you made the decision.

            On a brighter note. Has the two feet of snow left yer back yard? We have had too cold of weather to get started and then it was too dry. However, things have turned around in both areas, so….

          • Christin

            Kodster5,
            Good for you. Old Henry is right… it sounds like you made the decision to get started to prepare for the future.

            I also think you should have your spouse read this artilce by Bob Livingston… it is clear that a collapse of our dollar and frankly Constitutional America is inevitable, and there is not much one can do to refute the truth… America IS broke and the gov’t can not keep this facade going too much longer… millions of people have lost their jobs, businesses have been run out of America, and the gov’t is assuaging the joblessness numbers (and it way higher than 9%) by paying unemployment checks to be unemployeed, and shuting-up non-producers by entitling them our hard-working Americans paychecks through Taxes while the FED and the Ruling Class STEAL our WEALTH and Redistribute it elsewhere.

            If your spouse doesn’t believe that then atleast he should recognize inflation is raising prices and you guys should stock up as hard times have come to our doorstep… food prices, energy prices (gasoline) and products have risen, too. Just take him shopping! If he never goes -take him- and write down the prices of some of the things you buy… can soup, milk, meat per pound, cereal, pasta, bread, drinks… then compare again in a month or two and see the increase… YOU can open his eyes with TRUTH.

            Best to you.

          • Wayne937

            Good for you, Kodster5. Everyone must take the current situation seriously. I went through some of the depression back in the late 30′s. We lived on a farm, and were more lucky than those who had to beg for their food through the soup kitchens. I can’t for the sake of me understand why people are not getting this. This can happen again. It will be worse this time as we are the consumer nation, not the producer nation. Through the 40′s, 50′ and 60′s we were the country that produced the worlds goods. We are in a different time now, folks. If these Liberals we have on this forum had to go a 10 year depression, I am sure they would think differently than they do now. This is why I feel sorry for them as they don’t under what it is like to live through a depression.

          • kodster5

            Christine, believe it or not, I pointed that out to him over the weekend! I told him that he doesn’t go shopping with me, so he doesn’t have a clue as to how much I pay for our food, durable goods, etc, and how much it’s going up. He just keeps using and spending like he doesn’t have a care in the world, and I’m sitting here, watching our money burn up and wondering, when is it going to hit him, when we’ve got nothing left? And then he’s going to blame it on me for not managing our money. I am not allowing it to happen.

          • oldtimeyman

            Attention all. Here is some recent information about the “war” the fedgov has begun against food producers and processors and eventually the consumer. There is also an article about how families can fight back with a WWII victory garden.

            http://americasenemieswithin.blogspot.com/2011/03/food-wars-have-begun.html

            http://americasenemieswithin.blogspot.com/2011/03/fighting-back-victory-garden-2011.html

        • Eddie47d

          I see Time is back with his Monkey talk and still thinks he’s the cat’s meow. Mix a little truth with a lot of BS and you have instant fear and paranoia. Reminds me of Mr Campy who owns Family Radio (140 stations).He’s the one who is predicting the end of the earth this Saturday(May 21st) at 6pm. He calls it Judgement Day and 43% of Americans interviewed said it would happen. 67% of Evangelical Christians agree with his view (from a poll). He says this will be a partial end on Saturday and total destruction within 5 months (Oct21st). He made the same prediction for Sept 1994 based on Dan.12:9 and Rev. 22:10. It’s hard to believe anyone since we have all these end of the world predictions for 2012. There is this business, Vivos Group who is reaping wealth off these predictions.He is the bunker builder who will build you a shelter for $25-400,000.

          • independant thinker

            “67% of Evangelical Christians agree with his view (from a poll).”

            What pole? Where was it published? Who published it?

            I have never heard of mr whose-its-face and have only barely heard of this prediction and I live in the Bible belt.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Eddie:

            As far as TIME is concerned – where there is smoke, there is fire. Don’t you think it is better to be prepared and not need it than to not prepare and need it? It’s like the disaster drills we used to conduct at work – mostly tornado. We prepped on what to do, but never needed it, al least so far.

            As far as that radio guy, I heard about that over the week end. He is a charlatin. Only the Father in Heaven knows the day and the hour. Even His Son Jesus Christ said He did not know.

            And ifn it gets bad enough to need a bunker, well, AMF. I’ll be on “the last train to Clarksville….

          • Jay

            Independent, eddie just loves to pull so called polls and tidbits of news out of his arse without ever citing sources! Its one of his specialities!!!

          • hunter

            That is the day it WILL NOT happen. For it is written, NO man knows the day …….

          • independant thinker

            Oh I know that Jay I just like to call him on it once in a while.

          • Eddie47d

            Maybe some of you aren’t so news savvy after all. I’m sure you’ll see a bigger headwind on this within the next 5 days. I’m reporting what I read and is no different than all the news or personal facts that you bring up. Mr Campy is the person who is creating the controversy which I don’t believe but was surprised that so many others did. Those who predict and spread conspiracy theories are apparently winning the war of words and deeds.

          • kodster5

            LOL! A partial end, eh? Any true believer in their right mind, who does their due diligence, knows that it is a fallacy to date set the time of the rapture, and subsequent return of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, which is what Mr. Campy’s followers are doing. We are to know the season, but the day or hour. We are in the season, folks. Be ready, but DON’T date set because that is what plays into the scoffers’ beliefs…

          • vicki

            Since, as eddie47d already mentioned, the world will end on Dec 21st, 2012 when the Mayan calendar runs out I find it amusing that people think it will end this weekend. (Not that I believe it will end with the end of the Mayan calendar either :)

            There is also a set of beliefs that Armageddon came and went. Almost 2000 years ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preterism#Full_Preterism

            On a good note in 7 days (less actually :)) we will have rather significant evidence of the accuracy of the prediction of May 21st. :):):)

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Well Vickie, I got to musing and thought maybe the Mayan’s calendar did not run out in Dec of 12. Maybe their printer just ran out of ink and their version of Office Depot was closed…

          • independant thinker

            eddie i see you still do not have any sources not that i expected you to you almost never have a source for your claims.

            As far as 12/21/2012 is concerned lets get it right people. The Mayans did not predict the end of the world on that date The end of their calender is the end of the age and the start of a new age. Given what we know of their beliefs they expected great upheavel and possibly natural disasters but not the end of the world.

          • Jana

            Eddie,
            I serioulsy doubt your percentages of those who agree with that charlatan.
            MOST Christians know that we always have the doomsdayers trying to make themselves sound so important by telling us they know when the end of times will be. As Old Henry said, Only God knows. Meanwhile we are to be watchmen and about our Father’s business.
            We are also to be wise, and I am thankful we have people like Bob Livingston and Personal Liberty Digest to help wake us up to some of our personal responsiblities and give us tips on how to go about these responsibilities.

          • eddie47d

            I only mentioned the year 2012 and no specific dates. I mentioned May 21st and Oct 21st 2011. The source is any local newspaper or national news.

          • Jana

            Eddie,
            I didn’t mention any dates either.

          • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

            What’s a $25 shelter like? I can afford it in about 2-3 months, but not the $400,000 dollar one!

            Remember Obama has taken away the COL from SS, all of us are getting less and less of our money value that back the government took over the years!

          • April

            LOL!! maybe the Mayan’s ran out of rock, or maybe their wise star reader and calendar keeper prematurely kicked the bucket. I don’t know, but I do agree that we are in the right season, the generation of the fig tree, and we are not to know the day or time. There are too many events still to take place before the 7th Trump when our Lord returns. So we must be prepared as Bob is trying to warn. What he know about is Gold and Silver, this is his area of expertee and he is trying to help people by passing on his knowlege on the subject. Another, thing I am slowly investing in is seeds and agriculture equipment and practicing working the land with my crops which right now is a portion of my back yard, so that I can at least know how to feed and clothe my family. And having my granddaughter with me on a daily basis I am passing a few skills to her. Just an added thought here.

          • Mary

            Only Dumb people believe that a human knows the end of the world. God didn’t created the world to be destroyed. Only God (JEHOVA) knows the Judment day. Read salm 37:9-11. Rev. 11: 18 Mattew 24:36.

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          DaveH:

          I pray that you are correct, but being a realist I think that if by late Sept. / early Oct of 2012 the polls indicate Little Barry’s “demise” that he will phony up a reason for Mashall Law and shut down the election. If that does not happen and he looses I think he will entrench himself in OUR WH by some means – possibly Marshall Law.

          Things WILL play out as the NWO wants, and Little Barry in their guy. Or, should I say gay? HA!

          • kodster5

            I swear, Old Henry, I think the guy IS gay! Look at the homosexuals that he brings into his administration, his czars, etc. No wonder he doesn’t want to declare himself as Muslim! In shariah law, homosexuals are the worst of the worst, and should all be killed! Isn’t that a contradiction? What happens when shariah law is imposed in the US, and all the homosexuals that have been screaming for equality, same-sex marriage, etc, end up having to shut up, and hide deep in the closet to keep their heads intact?

          • Kate8

            Who knows about the May 21st scenario. I’ve read all the literature on Camping’s website, and he makes a good case, with all of his calculations and all. Who knows whether it will pan out. Camping, himself, has never impressed me much, but what do I know.

            I do feel that there are some big surprises in store for this year forward. Government doesn’t purchase billions in emergeny rations and build multi-billion dollar detention camps for no reason, stocking them with tens of millions of plastic coffins and body bags. Hitler did it, and he definitely had reasons.

            Also, millions of Americans and Europeans are fleeing to South America, including many elites. GWB bought a huge plot in Paraguay, Soros bought another mass of land in one of those countries. South American is supposedly one of the safer places to be.

            Obama’s arrogance (and Congress’ as well) is shocking, and can only portend that they aren’t concerned about the people. I heard on the radio last night that, of those who choose to remain in America, 90% of us will perish in the next 5 – 15 years. Sobering thought.

          • Christin

            kodster5,
            Obama is a BIsexual… he cheats on his wife with older white men…

            I printed out the article: “obama and Emanuel: members of the same gay bath house club in Chicago.”

            Great role model for America and Leader of the Free World, huh?

            Kate8,

            I heard on Jesse Ventura’s Great lakes water Conspiracy Theory (USA is taking water and givng it to CHINA for free essentially) that GWB bought land in South America, Paraguay, I believe as it is PLENTIFUL IN H2O… yes, one way to control the world’s water supply.

          • Kate8

            Christin – I saw that Ventura show, too. Chilling.

            Interesting thing about Paraguay. It is a military/police gov’t. I guess it doesn’t matter if it’s controlled by one’s buddies.

        • patricia

          Perhaps we have been pessimistic for too long? How do you explain a president who…has another agenda for the country…and does everything in his power to change that? Today we watched the space
          shuttle go into space, winding down a 30 year period of success. This is one time when we were right to begin with…it is not only wrong it was UNNECESSARY!

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            patricia:

            You are dead on. I missed the launch, sadly. Remember the last time they were to launch? Little Barry made a trip down there to watch with all the folks HE IS PUTTING OUT OF BUSINESS and they scrubbed it?

            Ya spose that was a coinkydink? (as my daughter used to say)

            Remember patricia, Little Barry the communist was elected by campaigning the FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE AMERICA.

          • Eddie47d

            I have little qualm with NASA but they are a government agency. Those who want to chop everything out of the budget sometimes loose their pet projects too.No matter how important they think they are.

          • granny mae

            eddie,

            If you are looking to put a whole lot of people out of business at one time that is a good way to do it ! When you consider you have Florida , Texas, Alabama, New Mexico,and California all involved you talking a lot of people laid off and these places are not small by any means, These places are small to medium sized towns in their right and they employ people from 40 mile radius’s around them and some even more. Not only are we talking about these people that work there being unemployed but also venders that supply these bases with products of every kind that keeps them running. Everything from hardware manufacturers, to chemical supplier’s to food venders for cafiterias, to soft drink companies, security companies, and the list goes on. Obama did the new world order a big favor that time ! Not so much though for the US of A ! When you are told about unemployment or new jobs. Read between the lines and tell the guy that believes all those ploes to get a real life !

        • Wim Vonk

          I agree. The fearmongering of Mr Livingstone is becoming ridiculous. What is he going to say when these predictions don’t occur. He is getting rich on the stupidity of the people who believe this nonsense

          • JC

            Onward through the fog Wim…
            The currency “is” collapsing.

          • Mike in MI

            W-w-wi-m-m-m VONK! What is that supposed to represent anyway? It reminds me of a 1 1/4″ June bug zippin’ past my ear in the dark and hitting the ZAPPER! Then the damn things “byzzzz-izit” and “pop” and “zshat-zt-zzzit” for five minutes until they realize how mistaken they were to go there.
            Like you lib-shzizits who sizzle and pop around here like eggs in hot lard. You constantly remind us of how easily the O’BathHouseBumster could actually get ressellected to his Offal Orifice because of buggers like you: “Hope in Change…Transform America…Red-distribute the Wealth…Transparency…Vacations Weekly for All…Free Hell Cair…Draw From My ‘Stash’…You’re Gonna’ Get Some Educatin’… etc.,etc.” All His wonnerfeel trills runnin up yer legs…an’, an’ nether placizz-zit-shzizit-zt-zt-zt. He wuz like a vibrater in ova drive – - – zhazam Saurge, now ahm leigle…an’ prawd.
            He’s the Vibrater-in-Chief, so strap him oan and ride dat STDestributer ’til everbody got a bunch.
            Oh you Obamaphiles, what must it be like to have no worry for any thing, ‘cauz Santa never stops cummin’?

    • Richard

      Some common traits. Starting in 1991 Argentina began privatizing, deregulating, and increasing free trade. Hyperinflation allowed them to survive those 3 things until the crash in 2002.

      • DaveH

        Liberals will reach down to any depths to defend their bankrupt policies. Like wiping out the citizens’ savings is ever a solution to anything economic.
        The question is Richard, are you that severely mislead, or are you in the Political class, and thus benefitting from the theft of our savings?

        • Eddie47d

          Loose the attitude Dave H. for it is the super rich who are the ones who you should be accusing of theft of our savings. Those Hedge Fund managers,brokers,banksters and a few other assorted misfits derailed our economy. They confiscated millions(billions)and left the middle class out in their sinking rowboats.

          • kodster5

            Latest news, Eddie, if you want to catch it? The government is now wanting to tap into your pension plans, to support itself, because the taxes they’re raping us with isn’t enough. You ready to have your pension plans raped, too?

          • Eddie47d

            kodster; Why would that be surprising when private companies have been dropping pension plans for several years now. Instead of companies helping their employees take responsibility for their retirement they are dumping it on the government. That is something you seem to be supporting since so many of you held that view when Gov Walker raided workers pension funds. You thought that was the greatest thing since mom’s apple pie.

          • karolyn

            kodster – It’s government employees’ pension plans that will be raided if the debt ceiling isn’t raised by August 1.

          • Dan az

            Eddie
            You said (instead of companies helping their employees take responsibility for their retirement they are dumping it on the government.)How so?

          • Eddie47d

            Dan; Fewer pension plans to live on so more folks head to government agencies for hand outs like food stamps and welfare.Some pension plans were guaranteed by the government up to a certain amount. When companies dumped them the government got the bill.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            eddie, the companies folks work for don’t owe them damn thing, only a days wage. Anything else they get is gravy!

          • vicki

            Eddie47d. Would you please show us just ONE example of this supposed theft of our savings by legitimate businesses. Just one. Be ready to show your work.

            To date (and I have been around a while) I have never seen a business put a gun to my head and order me to buy their product. Yet as we speak the US Government has started to implement a plan to force me, at gunpoint, to buy a specific product. And it is not the first time. It is the first time where the government says buy this rather than saying you can’t buy that.

            Government forces me to buy products all the time by making other products illegal thus forcing me to choose from what is left and they call it freedom of choice or, more commonly, “protecting the consumer”.

            Government uses guns to insist. There is your theft of savings. Government. Was the problem. Still is.

            Now since the liberal is always accusing us of not having solutions I will rebut with a solution to the above problem. To protect consumers the government should ONLY tell us what its scientists think is good or bad about a product and why. Nothing more. Let the consumer decide if they want to buy it or not. (Even that may be too much for government to be doing as we already have quite workable private industry solutions to that very same problem.)

          • kodster5

            First, it’s the federal plans that Geithner says they’ll be tapping into, as early as this coming Monday, not company pension plans. And the only reason why the private sector pension plans were dropped is because those companies had to cut expenses, because of the high taxes imposed on them. They couldn’t cut the tax bill, but other disposables, like pension plans. BTW, wasn’t it Bush who said it was a good idea for individuals to take care of their own retirement plans, like IRAs, etc? So, why would the companies want to take on the responsibility, since employee turnover was so high, MOST employees were never around long enough to become vested in those retirement plans. With IRAs, they went with the individual. So, Eddie, your argument is out the window, as well.

            You bring up Governor Walker’s cuts? Believe it or not, I was FOR him, not against him. I’m one that says cut out ALL the entitlements… you can’t cherry-pick which ones stay and which ones go. They ALL need to be pared down to the bare bones, or eliminated altogether. Yes, that’s going to hurt everyone, but you gotta do what you gotta do to survive. Right now, they’re squabbling over who gets cut and who gets left alone. I say, they ALL gotta go! Because MOST, if not all, are unnecessary.

          • JeffH

            vicki, you are so right. Don’t expect a meaningfull response.

          • DaveH

            You mean the super-rich like the ones who voted for Obama?
            http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2008/10/13/the-rich-support-mccain-the-super-rich-support-obama/?loomia_si=t0:a16:g25:r1:c0

            For those who haven’t been around the Personal Liberty boards much, Eddie loves to make wild unsupported accusations as if they were fact. It must be nice to be a Liberal and unconstrained by honesty.

            Eddie is the board troll who fabricates facts and tries to mentally bully people like the Union Thug that he is. Only he is going to have to get some more education to be successful at it.

          • DaveH

            For those who don’t know just how serious the public pension problem is, and how reckless the Government has been about funding them, read this:
            http://reason.com/archives/2011/03/08/the-state-pension-time-bomb

            I’d feel sorry for Eddie’s kind if they didn’t deserve it.

          • eddie47d

            Angel; You are naive on that one about pension funds. If you or I put money into a company pension fund and that company defaults on that fund leaving you with nothing then there is a problem. That is theft and you have been snockered.Kinda like wages where you work and the owner says sorry I’m not paying you this month.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            We do not have a producing middle class. What we have are office clerks,civil service, teachers,etc.. What are they going to do without skills for survival?

        • Richard

          DaveH that’s pretty silly. My post didn’t defend the theft of our money in any way, shape, or form.
          Once a good economy falls for free trade, privatization, and deregulation the result is hyperinflation. It happens for the same reason as we are seeing. A hard lesson learned during the great depression created banking and speculation laws that were deregulated, free trade destroyed our base, the money makers know the end is in sight and steal all they can. What they can’t outright steal or get taxpayers to cover they take through inflation.

          • DaveH

            Richard, you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. Inflation is simply a monetary phenomenon. The Central Bank creates too much money, so there is more money chasing fewer goods, and the prices go up.
            Deregulation would lower prices, because companies wouldn’t have Government bureaucrats throwing monkey wrenches in their works, so they can produce more product, thus lower their prices.
            Why don’t you do yourself a favor and read this:
            http://mises.org/rothbard/agd.pdf

          • DaveH

            And by the way, Richard, how can you say that “free trade destroyed our base” when we haven’t had free trade since Lincoln’s days? Are you honestly going to try and tell me we have more free trade now than in 1950 when the Government was half the size it is now? Watch the John Stossel show. He quite often talks about the mountain of regulations that Government foists on our businesses.
            You could also study this list of countries ranked by their Economic Freedom (degree of regulation). See how the countries with the most meddlesome Governments have fared. Don’t be a dumb blindered Liberal. Learn from other peoples’ experience:
            http://heritage.org/index/ranking

          • Vicki

            Richard writes:
            “Once a good economy falls for free trade, privatization, and deregulation the result is hyperinflation”

            Inflation, including hyperinflation” is caused by one and only one thing. The mass production of whatever script is being used to represent money.

            Simple example: Some hypothetical economy, having eschewed the false promise of fiat money, use diamonds for their currency. I invent a way to turn carbon powder into carbon crystals using very little energy. I can create millions of diamonds every day. I flood the market with these diamonds cause I buy lots and lots of stuff (Kinda like the US Government does now :) )

            The law of supply/demand which affects EVERYTHING including what is used for “money” causes the value of the diamonds to fall like a rock. Pretty soon a loaf of bread which used to cost 1 piece of diamond dust now costs a whole caret diamond.

            Let us choose gold for the example since there is talk of returning to the gold standard. The value of each “gold” dollar will remain fairly stable until I find a way to transmute lead into gold (without much effort). Then hyperinflation will occur cause I would spend all that lead-now-gold to get things I want.

            Now back to the fiat dollar. The Government decides to greatly increase the (fiat) money supply. They can print this script called dollar with very little effort. They print and spend huge amounts of it. Inflation and possibly hyperinflation is the only possible result.

            The Law of Supply/Demand is as hard to avoid as is the Law of Gravity.

        • Marty S.

          Liberalism, the 100 year pandemic that has sickened our great country.

          • April

            Yeah, The foxes know we refuse communism, alias marxism, alias socialism, so they tried calling it progressivism, alias liberalism. Stealing America’s identity one failed falsified word at a time. The government steals from the successful free market who create the most jobs and pay the most taxes already, so the gov can distribute the wealth to the ones who want a hand out and have never paid taxes; results to rob insintive and dignity from as many as they can. Then they claim that gov is the only answer, in place of God. They had to remove God and understanding of the Bible and the Constitution out of our schools in order to make that happen. And it was the little church houses where schools were first held and Bibles were the text books. Ironic, hmmmmm.

            Here are some quotes Samurai posted on another site that I thought very appropriate here.

            “Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall be forever encouraged.” Northwest Ordinance of April 7, 1789. Written and signed by George Washington.

            “In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed…” Preface, Webster’s Dictionary 1828.

            “I am persuaded that no civil government of a republican form can exist and be durable in which the principles of Christianity have not a controlling influence.” Noah Webster.

            “What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.” George Washington. Speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs, May 12, 1779.

            “The main end of a students life and studies is to know God and Jesus Christ which is eternal life.” Harvard College student requirement upon entering.

            “It (the Bible) should be read in our schools in preference to all other books from its containing the greatest portion of that kind of knowledge which is calculated to produce private and public temporal happiness.” Benjamin Rush

            “Unite their endeavors to renovate the age by impressing the minds of men with the importance of educating their little boys and girls…and leading them in the study and practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system.” Samuel Adams.

          • granny mae

            April,

            I know of a family that the parents have had to help the son take care of his family all his life and they still are. He never is able to get food stamps because he does have a job but what he does get from the government is a refund on his taxes that he never paid in. Every dime he ever paid in taxes is given back to him plus (erned income credit ) ! How many people do you know that are getting that? I know of at least a handful right off the bat! That is one place the government could cut back. These people are getting thousands of dollars back that they never paid in and some of them are getting food stamps and medicade too. I am so sick of that program I could spit !

      • Richard Pawley

        I was very surprised when I first read how industrious and advanced Argentina was many generations ago, almost on a par with the USA before WWII and even in some way more advanced than Europe. In recent years many Europeans have moved to escape the growing Muslim problem in Europe that their politicians wouldn’t face because it wasn’t politically correct. Some rich Americans have moved there too. Sadly, that country is no longer as free as it once was. It was their nationalization of 401 K accounts that give the Democrats the idea of doing the same thing here and it’s why many stopped putting money into them two years ago when this first leaked out. No, it hasn’t happened yet, but remember Democrats never met a tax they didn’t like, and both Gingrich and Romney support an Obama like healthcare program that will add fuel to the fire of our collapsing economy. The Democrats and their bureaucrats in the EPA wouldn’t let us drill for our own oil in the past and they are still stalling, so $3 oil is a thing of the past. I find it hard to believe that the liberal progressives are that incredibly naive or stupid so I can only conclude that they are spiritually blinded, like those in religious cults. The ‘blind leading the blind’ as Jesus called it in his day. They aren’t necessarily evil. Some are, of course, if you consider socialism and it’s replacement of the God of the Universe with the god of government, but others are just misled. In “THE LAST DAYS OF THE LATE GREAT UNITED STATES and the Great Famine that Followed” I told of the 20,000 army troops (according to Army Times) that are being trained to quell the riots that will be the result of all this wasteful spending by congress that causes the inevitable inflation THAT IT MUST and, eventually, even food shortages! To me this proves that someone in the government knows what is going on, and everyone who reads here has seen more than enough to convince them of what they must do to survive, unless they too, are completely blinded. Sadly, even some in my own family, cannot conceive of all that is going to happen. The vast majority of Americans are not thinkers and are simply followers of the status quo. We will likely muddle through the next few years with the eventual tripling of prices but it is the time after that when WWIII really flares up and famine becomes a world wide reality that concerns me as it will someday concern all who refused to vote or do anything to prepare. By the way I’ve been told that the word survive does not exist in the Bible. Don’t know if that is absolutely true but I do know that the word prosper is commonly mentioned. It is my belief that unless we return to the spiritual values that this nation was founded upon, the values, not the various church denominations, but the Judeo-Christian values of the Bible, that this nation may not survive. In any event it will surely not prosper if we don’t. Believer’s need to pray and vote, and everyone else needs to be active politically and vote. OBAMA doesn’t have to be automatically elected in 2012. If he is then it will be because God has decided we need a lesson that we will believe and we will all be affected by it. Simply replacing him with a like minded Republican will change little. We don’t need just a Republican because McCain or Gingrich or Romney, while nice people personally, are not that different in their non-Constitutional beliefs on where the USA should go. What we need to concentrate on is replacing the congress who continually refuses to do the job we pay them to do (it is now estimated that over 50,000 non-Hispanic illegal aliens came in through our drug cartel-controlled border just last year!) and a hundred other things they are ignoring. We can replace them! Don’t give up until we change congress once again. It is less than 18 months till elections! May God help us and all who read this!

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          Richard Pawley:

          Very good post.

          I remember a picture at a former co-worker’s bench that can be inspirational. It was a pelican swallowing a frog head-first. the frog’s hind quarters were visible and boht of his front hands were wrapped around the pelican’s throat. The caption read: “Never give up”.

          And yes, may God help us, but realistically why should He?

          • Dan az

            Old Henry
            That was a very vivid picture lol!Thanks I needed that!

          • kodster5

            I used to have that cartoon! LOL! Thanks to my dad, may I pray that I see him again in heaven!

          • KiloAlpha

            Why would our Lord save us? Because he Love Us in spite of our selves, and offers us redemption if we just accept him as our Lord and Savior. The Lord loves each and every one of us–forever. http://www.barnhardt.biz for one of the most uplifting and invigorating American Patriot Christians.

            Molon Labe

          • granny mae

            Old Henry,

            LOL ! I had that very picture taped to the inside lid of my tool box when I was working ! I loved that picture ! I also had one that showed a wagon drawn by two horses that was stuck in the mud and it said something about companies solution to more production. It showed the driver of the wagon whipping the two horses to pull the wagon out of the mud instead of hooking a couple more horses to make the job easier ! I liked that one too !

        • Christin

          Richard Pawley,
          Good Post.

          If we do not get a strong Constitutioanl Conservative Pesidential leader in 2012, then it will be because the majority of Americans have lost their faith in God and they can not discern truth.

          It will then be because it is God’s Will that the fulfillment of scriptures in the Holy Bible are to come to pass so that His Son, Jesus, may Come back to rapture his Church… the Believers.

          • Christin

            Constitutional
            Presidential
            (shoot and I proof read that, too!)

          • granny mae

            Christin,

            LOL ! I love it when others share my same faults ! I don’t feel so lonely now ! LOL !

        • kodster5

          Richard, my sentiments, exactly. Very good post.

        • Kate8

          Richard Pawley – You always have really good things to say, and I do enjoy your posts.

          I’d just like to suggest that you break it up into paragraphs, so it would be easier to read (at least, for me). I find that one long, run-together post kind of makes me cross-eyed, and I’m tempted to skip over it, even though I don’t want to miss what you have to say.

          Blessings. :)

        • Mike in MI

          Richard Pawley – “Judeo-Christian” values?
          Get hold of a pre-1930′s copy of Edersheim’s, “The Life and Times of Jesus the Christ”. Read about this man’s understanding of what the “religion of the Jews” (as GOD calls it) was all about – and still is today.
          Who, and why, do you think it was who TRIED, PERSECUTED and REJECTED Jesus Christ? Who was it who, after Pilate washed his hands of the whole sordid mess, said, “His blood be upon us and our children…”?

          But, in truth, you are right…in a way.udeo-christianity has taken charge of what once was the greatest thing GOD ever did for mankind. Until, or unless Christianity shakes what turns God’s stomach Christians will continue to be the welcome mat for everything worthless to God and rejected by Him. They rejected their Christ. God rejects them.
          Why does Christianity want to align with that??????
          Christians, if you want power in your faith you must get out of any denomination which aligns with that poison.

          • Kate8

            Mike in MI – In truth, Yeshua WAS a Jew, and His words to us were that we are to “take up our cross and follow Him”. (I have always found His reference to the “cross” interesting here, as He had not yet made the “cross” significant. In early times, the cross was a reference to life, or life in the body.) His early followers were practicing Jews, as well.

            The “Jews” you refer to are the Pharasees. We have many Pharasees today, just as then, who believe in the letter of the Law but are devoid of the spirit. Do not lose sight of the fact that His early followers were Jewish, and they reached out to the Gentiles. Even today we have Messianic Jews. Beyond that, God has promised to remove the veil from the eyes of the Jewish people (the faithful ones) and bring together Jew and Gentile, creating “One New Man”.

            When the papacy was established, Christianity became something very unlike what Yeshua taught, changing Gods Laws and precepts, and Christianity today is descended from that institution devised by man for his own purposes of power and control of the masses. While there have been many devout and sincere men who have attempted to “reform” this institution, they have still based their doctrine on that of Constantine and the papacy, which was instituted for control of minds.

            There are some today claiming to be the true “remnant” of the Apostles, but I suspect that any organized group has been corrupted. I believe the true remnant are people who know Christ in their hearts, and are known only unto themselves and to God.

            Godspeed, BIC.

          • granny mae

            Mike,

            I assume that you are refering to the Jews as somehow being different than Jesus ! News Flash, Jesus was a Jew ! He was born a jew, raised a jew and practiced and followed all the holey days of obligation of the jews. He said the sanhedrin and others of the rulling parties were a brood of vipers because of the way they had corrupted the laws . He also said he did not come to change the laws but to fullfill the law. The Jews have had their problems with the father that is for sure but they still remain his chosen people. We as the believers in Christ have been adopted in to the chosen family. Why he would want us is a mystery to me but he gave us his oath and he will not go back on it. He told us those who bless Israel I will bless and those who curse Israel I will curse ! As for our judeo christian living being used as the blue print and structure of this country, it is a pretty darn good set up ! It requires us to be civilized in our dealings with each other. The problem is we have allowed too many people come into this country and try to change it ! I believe that if you come to this country to live you live by our rules and not by some other set of rules. People that don’t want to live by our rules need to go to the country that follows the rules they want to live by. After all, that is what keeps most of us from moving to Russia or China ! We don’t want to live by their rules ! No muslim shariea law in this country is what I say !

      • Wayne937

        Now! if the Liberals really want to learn something that is very close to what this government is today, and what it may become tomorrow, should study the fall of Argentina, Richard. Your right, Argentina had a very good economy until some Liberal Idiots, most likely like Obama, took over the country and ruined this countries finances. Liberals, I would highly recommend you study the fall of Argentina and see if this is not happening in America today. Study this and report back to the Conservative. I think that most of us would accept your apologies if you would do that!!!! We have got to get good leadership in this country to bring us out of the doldrums.

    • Wayne

      DaveH, the Liberals on this forum thinks we have a Saint in the White House. I really believe that the government is keeping this economy propped up with borrowed money from the Chinese. When this well dries up,I think the American People will be in for a big surprise. This administration has spent around 3.7 trillion dollars in the last 2 years which I think may have kept us afloat. What happens when the Chinese cuts our supply of money. If it is going to happen I hope it happens under Obama’s administratiion s the folks will know who is responsible for this screwed up economy, and government, we currently have.

      • DaveH

        According to Wikipedia, the Chinese hold about $1.1 Trillion of our $14+ Trillion National Debt (so about 8%). Foreigners in total hold about 32% of our debt. But the Federal Reserve and other Government agencies hold close to half of our National Debt. See here:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt#Ownership_of_debt

        So you can see how the Federal Reserve works hand in hand with Government to aid in their profligate spending.
        We need to elect Ron Paul, and enough like-minded Congressmen to get the Federal Reserve abolished. Thomas Jefferson knew the score and he tried hard to warn us about the dangers of Central Banks. But only an educated populace can keep Government straight, and unfortunately a lot of ours are severely brainwashed.

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          DaveH:

          Hence Boehner’s promise to WS last week that he would get the debt ceiling raised. Oh, and by the way, we’ll try and cut some spending…

          Do you really think Ron Paul would last until January 20, 2013 if elected?

          • Dan az

            Old Henry
            If obummer lasted this long I think its safe to say that Ron Paul would to.Besides I dont think he will be ridding in an open limo in texas any time soon.

          • DaveH

            Nobody knows that, Henry. But for all we know the left may take out Obama next year (because he’s made so many enemies and is derailing their takeover plans). There are never any guarantees. We can only do what is best at the time.
            But Ron Paul by himself isn’t going to be enough. We need to start putting Libertarian-minded people in the Congress, and we need to do it now. We don’t have the luxury of waiting mucy longer.
            http://libertarianparty.org/

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Dan az:

            Little Barry has been doing the bidding of TPTB. Ron Paul is / would be a direct threat to the FED.

            Therein lies the difference. Anyone can be, ah, gotten. No matter how much security is involved. With the amount of $ involved they might even buy off the Secret Service.

            Ron Paul would be at even greater risk if he chose a pro-FED Veep such as Cain. Yes, I know, I was / am an avocate of Cain, but…..

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Well DaveH, I read somewhere, maybe here, that JFK had begun doing away with the FED by Executive Order in early Nov ’63. The rest, as they say, is history.

            So, If they think President Paul would accomplish his goal by EO he would be a huge target for them.

          • DaveH

            EO would not be a good approach, Henry. I doubt seriously that Ron Paul would do such an Unconstitutional thing. EOs are one of the problems that has gotten out of hand with our Constitution trampling leaders.

        • Wayne937

          We have too many crooks within our banks, and the Federal Government. Let’s pretend that Congress is our favorite sports team. We will watch, and study them. I’ll bet you would see a big improvement in our government within 6 moths, or so.

        • Westy

          I agree. However, I no longer consider Ron Paul our Conservative Presidential contender. Ron Paul made it clear in his new book that he will do very little or nothing about the Illegals in this Country, or the flood of them coming in from our Southern border every year.

          • Jana

            Westy,
            I hate to say this, but I agree with you. Ron Paul comes across as a coward also as he would not be worth anything in defense of our country. He would NOT have gone after Bin Laden as he said he was unarmed.
            So were the people at the Twin Towers on 9-11

    • Jovianus

      Ah eys…the snake oil pitch built on fear, anger, and counting on the ignorance of the masses.

      Notice the lack of any analysis or objective economics in the article. It relies on nothing more than a well oiled pitch. It has nothing of merit supporting its conclusions to buy gold and silver. Nothing.

      As the author well knows..to refutre it (and it can be refuted in full and completely) will take detailed recitation of economic policy both domestic and internationally, economic thoery and detailed current economic data. Something the usual snake oil salesman knows well won’t be read or understood by those he is hawking the oil to.

      Oh, it can occur. Absolutely. If the extremists of the TP and the right get their way in destroying the economic basis of our system. Take out the Fed, don’t raise the debt ceiling, curtail spending to the social programs, increase the Reagonomics of redistributing wealth from the Middle Class to the Upper wealthy classes and powerful. Fill the streets with indigent and poor, increase envy and hate horizontally in racial and ethinc bases. Lower wages and strip the working man of his freedom to barter his asset of labor and skill. If that occurs, then the article fulfills itself in prophecy. (takes away the wonder whose side the TP leadershp is on doesn’t it?).

      But as the eacked right and TP crowd are seen more and more as what they are…snake oil salesmen … the hue and cry from the back of the wagon will change. Next year or maybe sooner…the pitch will be the 20 year “gee whiz” charts selectively created showing gold and silver to have been sound investments. As people look to their “investments” and wonder why they lost out on what they are now being told was a great time in investment history for gold and silver.

      There is far more substance to the curent fad of the world ending in June 2012 as forecast by the Mayan calendar than any pitch made in the article. If you have that much of a disconnection from reality, then why bother at all? (heck, sell me your property and investments at 10 cents to the dollar and I’ll take the risk of losing it all. I’ll pay in gold and silver at that price…heck yeah!).

      Oh wait…you won’t sell yur property and investments for gold and silver despite what the article states?

      Think about that.

      Buyer beware.

      Buyer beware.

      • Cawmun Cents

        Detroit.

        • Jovianus

          Naw..they don’t have the pitching this year.

          [I assume that's what you are referring to since it has nothing to do with the article above. It's the new catch word of the Right though. Usual TP stuff...nothing of substance but feeds on the fear, ignorance, and racist tendencies of the average TP adherent.]

          • DaveH

            Do you really think the thinking people on this board pay any attention at all to your Alynskyesque drivel, Jovianus?
            Most of us are well aware of your Parroting and Projecting techniques that are meant to confuse ignorant people. The problem is that most of us aren’t like your typical Liberals. We aren’t ignorant. You need to go to the ‘daily kos’ or some other Liberal site to find those who would fall for your lies. You have no credibility on this board.

          • kodster5

            Your ass sure is happy, isn’t it, Jovianus? Laughing at us all the way to the poorhouse.

          • http://yahoo sharon

            That ignorance comes from the left stupid, people like you, ignorant socialists who would give up their freedom for a few dollars from Obama.

          • Wayne937

            Jovi, you are watching too much sports. Get back to watching your crooked Congress Member.

        • Cawmun Cents

          Thanks to you and your ilk they dont have much of anything,especially nice things like education,healthy growth and most importantly,jobs.Chalk another one up to democrats,who have run the city of Detroit for 60 years.

          • Cawmun Cents

            you sir are a fine one to be accusing me of tossing in a red herring.

          • Jovianus

            LOL … Cawmun, when you get to the stage of being able to comprehend anything above a 3rd grade level, let me know.

          • Al Sieber

            Cawmun Cents, you’re wasting your time with this guy, he doesn’t research anything.

          • DaveH

            Make no mistake, guys, Jovianus is not ignorant. Evil, yes. But he is perfectly capable of learning. In fact, he probably already knows but is feeding at the trough, so he has no interest in presenting the truth.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            DaveH”

            I have seen it said here many times, most recently by Carlucci, I think, that Jovi is a plant by Move On or one of those outfits. I reserved an opinion on that – until today’s post by Jovi. It smacks of DNC talking points / propaganda.

            For Jovi’s sake I hope he is doing at least a little prepping while spouting off against it.

            Everything preppers have / will have will be able to be used eventually, even if the worst does not occur. So, it is not a waste. The food can / will eventually be eaten. The gold / silver will still be worth more than our phony currency.

            Maybe, as grandma used to say, “Misery loves company”.

          • Wayne937

            Cawmun, what a great way to put it. You are so right, and people still can’t understand it. Looking at Detroit is a fine example of folks voting that should not be voting.

          • Kate8

            DaveH – I actually thing that Jovi IS ignorant. Stupid, probably not, but ignorant, absolutely.

            His mind is just another one that’s been indoctrinated and plugged in to the matrix. He’s incapable of independent thinking.

          • DaveH

            Kate,
            There is little doubt in my mind that Jovianus knows he is spouting nonsense. He is just doing what any self-serving person would do — lying.

          • granny mae

            Cawmun Cents,

            I got your point right away; and what a place to use as an example ! That place looks worse that berlin after the second worl war ! Now it is being taken over by the muslims and that isn’t much better. They can just live in rubble and sit on the floor and eat on the floor and throw pillows and blankets all over the place just as though they were still in tents ! Got pretty mosques but that is all. Poor Detroit. It has been going down hill for years since the liberals and unions got their grips on it ! Hey you could probably buy some property real cheap there today !

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          CC!

          Detroit.

          Very adroit.

          Ya made me laugh out loud – on a Monday!

      • Wayne

        Jovi, if you would only open your eyes and look around and see what’s happening,you may see what is going on too. No! you are too hard headed, and you only have tunnel vision. No! your kind will never see anything until it hits you square in the face. Then you will look back and see the signs that most of of our seeing now, but it will be too late for you. Open up you eyes, and analyze the current situation as it now stands.

        • Cawmun Cents

          Wayne,I said the only word you need to say to a union backing,progressive,liberal,democrat.Detroit.When you see what they have done to that city,you dont need any other word to describe the progressive agenda.There it is ….Detroit.

          • Jovianus

            Cawmun….I have a one word response then. Oregon.

            Go ahead and tell everyone how those living in Oregon with progressive policies are in a failed state and not realizing it.

            This ought to be good …

          • Cawmun Cents

            Uh oregon is a state,Detroit is a city.Detroit was the 4th largest city in the nation once.It bosted of its progressive ways.It has been being run by progressives and liberals and demorats for fifty or sixty years.Look at the condition it is in.How can a progressive liberal democrat defend what they have done to the city of Detroit.Murder,highest crime rate over the last 50 years,and the educational system,(a progressive plan I might add)which boasts an adult literacy of as much as 53%.The state of Oregon has only recently(past twentyyears or so)been taken over by progressives.I used to live there thats how I know.The point is that progressivism and Liberal thinking can run a formerly great city into the dust,and it looks forall intent and purposes,like they are attempting to do the same to the nation.

          • Cawmun Cents

            Ok there is your ditrty pool.Unless I need to bring up Oregons southern neighbor CALIFORNIA.

          • DaveH

            Oregon. Sure. “she flies with her wings” (their state motto). Tip-toe through the tulips. The motto is supposed to reflect Oregon’s tradition of independence. Yeah sure. Have you ever noticed how people try to magnify their weaknesses into strengths?
            You can’t even pump your own gas in Oregon. So much for independence. I guess by independence they mean the Politicians are independent.
            I was bringing a 24-foot truck back from my friend’s place in Idaho to California, listening to music, not watching the road signs carefully enough, when I started noticing all the warning signs alongside the road “unlawful this”, “unlawful that”. I thought “Crap! I’m in Oregon”. Somewhere along the way, I had missed my turnoff.
            Yep, if you like people like Jovianus, and you like Big Government, you will like Oregon. They kind of make California look like Conservatives.

          • Jovianus

            OK..city to city… Portland.

            [psst...actually it's been over 40 years since McCall began implementing his policies...and nigh onto 60 years now that Oregon began to continuously reject the conservative mindset. If you lived in Oregon...and probably regret moving ... then you know how solidly those policies of McCall are viewed by the voters ].

            Nice try. failed..but nice try.

            As for your California reference … I see the failures of California to be based in the constant attack by conservatives on any progressive legislatiion which has been shown to work at the state level. They [conservatives] gutted that state, and now want to blame everyone but themselves.

          • Cawmun Cents

            Yes you would see what doesnt exsist.Conservatives stopping the progressive liberal legislature in California?Think you better do some reasearch on google again and look at the numbers.But then again since the words Detroit and California dont bother you…..i am fully convinced that you are as blind as an earthworm,and have similar intellectual skills.

          • Kate8

            Jovi – Now I know that you are out of your mind.

            I’ve lived in CA my entire life, and this mess is wholly due to socialist democrats. It’s been so many decades since conservatives had any clout at all…now that the legislature doesn’t even have to consider what any conservative has to say, we’re really going over a cliff, in every possible way.

            We are also the first state to fully begin implementing Agenda 21, over the loud protest of liberal and conservative alike. There is virtually zero freedom left here.

        • Jovianus

          Wayne…I have. We see it differently. If the TP and wacked extremist crowd get thier way…hunker down for their desires to destroy this Nation will be fulfilled. That’s the way the warnings from the article will come to fruition.

          • Eddie47d

            Detroit was a one trick pony for decades. They built cars and when Japan built better cars that Americans wanted Detroit lost it’s edge. It was left with billions in assets and no buyers so this city collapsed under it’s own greedy weight. You can blame high auto worker salaries and I can blame corporate greed and out of sight bonus’s the auto hierarchy paid themselves. Does it really matter who took the most out of the cookie jar? Our system of wages is way out of balance where some are making way to much and some don’t make enough to scrape by every week. Who’s next Los Angeles or Memphis or whoever? I see a redistribution of wealth and it’s from the top down.That is driving folks to food stamps.

          • Cawmun Cents

            47d…how can you defend Detroit?Thats like Davey Crockett trying to defend the Alamo….Are you trying to say that Democrats are not culpable for all the things that are wrong wirth Detroit?Because for 50 years there has been a progressive liberal democrat in the office of mayor.The city of Detroit if the claims the AFL-CIO make are true should have the very best school system.After all the union(largest in the nation)would see to it that the citiy’s educational system as up to snuff wouldnt they?Yes we can clearly see in the city of Detroit theplan foe the rest of America.Why you guys cant is beyond us.

          • Eddie47d

            I didn’t defend Detroit in any stretch of your imagination. There are several factors and Democrats didn’t help matters. I blame it on poor corporate management and local politicians trying to make a name for themselves. Yes they were mostly Democrats.Neither side understood fiscal responsibility to their companies or to their city. Arrogant greed brought Detroit down.

          • JC

            Eddie47d says:

            May 16, 2011 at 8:52 am

            Detroit was a one trick pony for decades. They built cars and when Japan built better cars that Americans wanted Detroit lost it’s edge. It was left with billions in assets and no buyers so this city collapsed under it’s own greedy weight
            ____________________________________________________________________

            Oh I see, so it has nothing to do with dumping 10′s of thousands of unemployable immigrants there and putting them on welfare…forever.
            And nothing at all to do with all those greedy, fat overpaid Unions…just the “capitalists” caused all of that damage…

            yeah, sure.

          • DaveH

            Have you noticed how as the Government gets bigger, the rich get richer. Duh, why is that? Can you say Crony Capitalism? Can you say “As Government Grows, Corruption Flows”?
            People like Eddie and Jovianus (who I suspect is one of them, the Political Class), want us to play right into Big Government’s hands. One is just ignorant, the other, I suspect, is just evil.

          • http://yahoo sharon

            I see an ignorant left wingnut who is just to left winged to learn how to fly, he chooses to stay in the web of ignorance and stupidity he has spun for himself. A socialists fool blind, deaf, and really dumb.

          • Eddie47d

            The spin doctors are out in full force. Isn’t that right JC and Dave H. You’re so obsessed with gaining wealth you can’t see the forest through the trees. You can talk about crony capitalism(Dave H) all you want but you never seem to separate the cream from the butter. Blue Cross raised their premiums 59% two years before the Affordable Health Care Act was even initiated yet you say it is the governments fault. Instead of putting the blame where most of the costs belong (corporates paying themselves more than they are worth)you lay it on crony capitalism. Since all these private companies jumped on the bandwagon and made huge profits at the expense of the consumer then they are all guilty of theft and bribery. It became too hard to differentiate between any of them. Now remember the the CEO of United Healthcare retired 2 years ago with that 1 billion 400 million pension. To say that doesn’t effect the health of a company and what the public has to pay is more than naive. They were the main architects of high medical premiums along with Big Pharma. So you can lambast liberals all you want when the facts are 2 feet in front of your nose.

          • karolyn

            Absolutely right, Jovianus, they don’t see things the same way. How else can you explain different economists having different scenarious? No one truly knows who is right and what the future holds; hence, an open mind is needed to see the valid points from both sides and make one’s own decision on any issue.

          • Bitter Libertarian

            I’ve never considered Eddie47d the same as Jovisanus.
            In fact this comment clearly shows me he sees things other Liberals dont; “I see a redistribution of wealth and it’s from the top down”

            Joviusanus will cast my comments aside as usual, but The Top and Eddie said in an earlier post the “VERY TOP” is 100% correct.

            This is where people need to finmd common ground, the real common enemy. Its not a conspiracy, more like an adjenda, but if people are stupid enough to doubt basic normal behavior and dismiss the possibility/probability of a conspiracy of the Globalists then there is NO USE wasting a single key strok on them. Events are revealing themselves daily, and if you cant see the facts for what they are and you cant see the truth for what it is, then you are sorely lost.

            This collapse is 100% intentional. Therefore 100% prteventable. If you deny the collapse you are a partisipant in your own destruction. If you see it, your eyes are open and you stand a great chance to survive.

            Time will tell… :)

          • JC

            Eddie47d says:

            May 16, 2011 at 11:00 am

            The spin doctors are out in full force. Isn’t that right JC and Dave H. You’re so obsessed with gaining wealth you can’t see the forest through the trees.
            ____________________________________________________________________
            Wrong idiot!
            I’m not interested in wealth as much as I am deeply offended by being robbed blind to pay for you Union idiots and the debauchery of my country. I will fight any attempt at Communism on American soil and that makes YOU the enemy…period.

          • Wayne937

            I guess we will just have to wait and see who is right, Jovi. I am hoping you will be right, but my gut feeling tells me that I will be right. I think we will all know within 1 to 3 more years.

          • kodster5

            LOL! EDDIE47D! You need to do your research! Do you know who the heck United Healthcare belongs to??? LOL! AARP! A Union-subsidized organization who doesn’t even represent it’s membership! It’s all a SHELL GAME! No wonder the CEO retired with a $1.4 billion dollar pension! All at the tax payers’ expense, I’m sure, since AARP is in Obama’s back pocket as well, being a union!

          • DaveH

            Pool you own money, Eddie, with your like-minded Liberals. Start your own Health Care Insurance Company. Show us how it’s done. You can charge whatever low prices you want. And you can overpay your workers. Feel free.
            Okay, now I’ll sit back and wait for another of your nonsensical responses as to why you can’t do that.

        • karolyn

          Do you not also have tunnel vision, only seeing things one way?

          • Wayne937

            Nope! I have excellent peripheral vision, Karolyn. I can see hard times ooming with this so called president, and his Democratic Zombies. I want to keep you from standing in a food line for hours waiting to be fed. I am trying to look out after you, and your Liberal friends, as I am sure that most of you are good decent folks who are just misguided. Go and look up the debt clock and tell me how the American People will ever get this debt paid off without a lot of sacrifices. You know that we all have to be responsible and pay our debts. Yes! this also applies to a country. To get this country out of debt we are all going to have to be more conservative and stop spending. Look up the word “Conservative” and see that this does not make us, the Conservatives, bad people. We just want to be able to pay our bills, have a little money left over for enjoyment, and to pass on a better country for our children. If there is something wrong with this, please let me know, ok?

          • DaveH

            Karolyn,
            If someone chooses not to be ignorant, that does not mean they have tunnel vision. Do you think a person has tunnel vision because they choose not to jaywalk a busy street in rush hour?
            I’ve seen both sides of the argument, and unlike you, I’ve spent thousands of hours reading and educating myself. I didn’t have any more free time than you do, I just took the time and made the effort.
            And now I have to listen to woefully under-educated people, like yourself, telling me how wrong I am.
            You’re annoying.

          • Kate8

            DaveH – I would say it’s gone beyond annoying. It’s approaching pathetic.

      • JC

        Jovianus says:

        May 16, 2011 at 8:00 am

        Ah eys…the snake oil pitch built on fear, anger, and counting on the ignorance of the masses.

        Notice the lack of any analysis or objective economics in the article. It relies on nothing more than a well oiled pitch. It has nothing of merit supporting its conclusions to buy gold and silver. Nothing.
        ____________________________________________________________________

        Are you too stupid to see what is actually happening out there?
        You want economic analysis? From who? The Government?

        Or maybe some pop up coloring books and a finger puppet show to make it all “real” for you….

        • Jovianus

          JC…if you want to sell me your assets at 50 cents on the dollar (I’ll pay in gold and silver…not a problem), then we’ll hook up and i’ll complete the deal. If you don’t…then even you don’t believe the malarkey Crystal is spouting.

          We will have inflation …that’s a given as we recover from the debacle of the Bush/Cheney admin policies of graft, corruption and wealth redistribution. And it will be in the range most likely of 7-12% for a spell. And y’all will cry “we are doomed”. And the gold sellers will make a fortune off of your fears and ignorance. And what is hilarious is those same gold sellers will invest in what you shouild be investing in instead of sending them your money.

          The TPers will contnue to do their mission of destroying the US. They’ll vote and cry for every policy which weakens us, every policy or wacked idea which will cause economic upheaval, and they’ll continue to cry and whine for every policy which has no design or puprose other than undermining the confidence in our economic model.

          Crystal’s prophecy succeeds only if the TPer dream of destruction of the US is realized.

          • DaveH

            Okay, this is classic. Jovianus is trying to tell us what the smart moves are, and he can’t even get the author of the article correct. Are you drinking, Jovianus, in an effort to drown you guilt in alcohol? Guilt that comes from the knowledge that you are purposely trying to mislead people?
            It’s Bob Livingston, Jovianus, get it? Bob wrote the article, not Ben Crystal. All you need do is scroll to the top of the page.

          • JC

            Jovianus says:

            The TPers will contnue to do their mission of destroying the US. They’ll vote and cry for every policy which weakens us, every policy or wacked idea which will cause economic upheaval, and they’ll continue to cry and whine for every policy which has no design or puprose other than undermining the confidence in our economic model.
            ____________________________________________________________________

            Propoganda! plain and simple. Whcich economic model are you referring to Mr. Multiple Personalities? The one created by the Globalists and “Crony” Capitalism? The one that looks just like the entirely failed European Union?

            Get back in your cave you psychotic troglodyte! LOL

          • jibbs

            You talk too much S&^T Plus, all of us on here try to help you, but you are to blind to see it for yourself or just refuse too. As far as offering to buy our land/homes, you don’t have enough gold and silver. Besides, I would never sell to stupid people….my neighborhood who eat you alive.

          • kodster5

            And Bob Livingston even responded to Jovianus’ post! LOL! And he STILL thinks Ben Crystal wrote the article? Ah, but the webs we spin soon ensnare ourselves, don’t they, Eddie & Jovi?

          • DaveH

            And get this, the great economist Jovianus (that’s a joke) is predicting 7%-12% inflation for a while. I’ll take the low side (7%) to make my point. Only 7%? Let’s see — 7% a year means that your savings will buy half of what they could buy now in just 10 years. So even if Jovianus’s low WAG was correct, your savings would suffer tremendously.
            Now for some reality. Look at the money supply chart in this article. See where we were in 2008, and see where we are now. Bear in mind that a 100% increase in the money supply means that if the quantity of goods and services stays the same, there will be twice as many dollars chasing them, so eventually when the money comes out of hiding, your savings will buy half as much as they do now. That could be tomorrow. That could be 2 years from now. Nobody can say exactly when. But everybody who is paying attention to food and energy prices can see that it’s already starting to happen:
            http://mises.org/daily/5223/Charting-the-Course-to-7-Gas

        • Wayne937

          JC, you are so right. It just takes a little common sense to be able to analyze how things are currently going in our government, and the way they are handling the economy. It certainly does not take a college professor to analyze this. Where are all the jobs this president promised us??? Come on Obama, lead, or get the hell out, and let some one else more capable do the job. I am so sick of the BS this Obama spews out of his mouth.

      • LibRep

        The signs are around you. It’s not the speculators driving up the price of oil. It’s the ever weakening dollar. If we look to the market over the affairs of our currency, merchants in Amsterdam are no longer accepting American dollars. I’d say America got along pretty well without the Federal Reserve system. I am interested in your take on why the founding fathers were against the creation of a central banking system. As Ron Paul said about the debt ceiling – it just means they can’t borrow more money. The government will still receive tax revenues.

        Speaking of the deficit, didn’t “The Chosen One” promise to cut it in half? How do you cut $5 Trillion by spending an additional 4? What about HIS idea of redistributing wealth? “Lower wages and strip the working man of his freedom to barter his asset of labor and skill.” Obviously a person has no need for a union to represent them then based on your comment, do they?

        The Mayans predicted the word would end in December (21,2012). not June, although another so called “prophecy” is saying it will be May 21st. Back to the main point, it is wise to get into precious metals and oil now. Why do you think all these places that buy gold have suddenly come up? The market knows something’s coming. The US dollar is no longer the reserve currency of the world. The BRIC countries (Brazil, Russia, India and China) are already trying to find or create the next one. Heck, if you google other currencies in use in America alone, you’ll find over 150 different types. Also check out the dozen states that are working on making gold and silver the legal tender of choice.

        America’s years of reckless spending, compounded over the last couple of years by the Teleprompter-in-chief, has caught up to us and will sweep over the land like a Biblical plague of locusts. Some of us TEA Partiers aren’t as dumb as you think. I’d say it’s you that needs to wise up and save yourself while you still can.

        • independant thinker

          “The Mayans predicted the word would end in December (21,2012).”

          Wrong, Wrong, WRONG. The Myans said 12/21/2012 was tyhe end of the age (based on their calenders) and the start of a new age. Based on their writings and beliefs that we know of they would expect their to be great up-heaval with disasters but they DID NOT literaly predict the end of the world.

          • LibRep

            Semantics, Dude. And try to use more CAPS next time. BTW – most people that buy into the Mayan prophecy believe the world will end on that day, not the end of the age. Thanks for the clarification.

      • DaveH

        Jovianus, you either know nothing about real economics or you are a member of the Political Class that is benefitting from the pillaging of the citizens assets. But, please do follow your own advice if you are the former.
        Note, by the way, people, how well Jovianus does his double-speak routine. He says a lot, but it is substanceless. He talks about fear-mongering, and then fear-mongers. Anybody, who is ignorant enough to listen to the Liberal Jovianus, deserves the impoverishment his kind is serving up.
        For those who want to learn some reality, go to mises.org, cato.org, and reason.org. Or you can learn a lot from Judge Napolitano and John Stossel on Fox Business Network. Preferably though, do the reading because without the basic education in real economics (the Austrian School), you will find it difficult to follow either, especially the Judge, who is a very learned man.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Jovianus,

        Or is it Jeremy Leochner, Mick, G.Lewis, Sutekh, Rachel, rollin, Steve or HFlashman? It’s difficult to keep up with exactly who you are at any given moment.

        Thanks for your “astute” analysis, lacking substance but not lacking left-wing buzzwords nor spelling errors.

        Good day to your many personalities,
        Bob

        • Mick

          Dear Bob,,
          I am not sure how I made it on your list, I would imagine that you have your reasons, perhaps I am not expressing myself well enough or perhaps it’s because I do not agree with any person one hundred percent of the time.. In any case , a good day to you sir…..

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Mick,

            All are coming from the same IP address.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Jovianus

            Mr. Livingstone:

            I suggest you review those IP addresses more carefully. If you really think what you are stating…send those IP addresses to me. My guess is that it’s aol that we have in common. Which does not deflect from what you have done in your prior post.

          • Mick

            Bob Livingston says:
            May 16, 2011 at 10:27 am
            Dear Mick,

            All are coming from the same IP address.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

            *********************
            Dear Bob.

            This is very disturbing to me, I have one address and only one , I usually don’t get offended easily but to see my name associated with Jovi and Jeremy is a hard pill to swallow…..
            Something is definitely wrong here…
            Obviously technology is not all its cracked up to be, we all better be careful…
            Back at you on the best wishes……Mick..

          • Jana

            What is odd to me is that Mick wasn’t even posting on this site before Bob called him out as having the same IP address as Jovi and Jeremy L. etc.
            Just sayin……

          • Jana

            Mick, If you truly aren’t the same person, then you need to contact your service provider.

          • Karolyn

            Well, if you guys remember correctly, Mick is a woman and has been posting for a while (and is a conservative.).

          • libertytrain

            Karolyn, we do remember.

        • DaveH

          I’m a little confused, since our email addresses are required to post, I would think Bob knows immediately if any of us are posting under multiple names. Of course, somebody could easily use several alternate email addresses, but that would sure be a lot of trouble. On the other hand, somebody sent purposely to mislead and disrupt the readers of this site would certainly be capable of that.

          • Mick

            Dave,,,I post under one name only, i can see why you’re a little confused, I am pretty puzzled about this one myself.

          • libertytrain

            DaveH – there is so much more at the “back end” of a website – I expect Mr. Livingston knows exactly what he is talking about.

          • Jovianus

            I suspect Bob also knows what he is talking about. And he knows it is not the truth. ’nuff said about the sanctity of this board and the extent the management will go to. Take heed Liberty … take heed.

          • libertytrain

            Now it appears Jovi is a cornered cat – and threatening?

          • Mick

            libertytrain says:
            May 16, 2011 at 10:28 am
            DaveH – there is so much more at the “back end” of a website – I expect Mr. Livingston knows exactly what he is talking about.
            ***************************
            libertytrain…..This is one instance when you’re awfully quick to judge, Mr.Livington has good reasons I am sure, as he explained all are coming from the same IP address and I am totally flabbergasted to be in he middle of this obvious mistake,
            I have been having trouble with AOL before but to be confused with some of the biggest liberals around is a bit much to take considering I am on the other side of the aisle…I have to go now but I will try to research to what the hell is really going on. MICK

          • libertytrain

            Sorry Mick. Nice try. You got caught. Perhaps you need to do a bit more research before you play these games on people.

          • independant thinker

            If yall have so much trouble with AOL why haven’t you changed providers.

          • Jovianus

            Liberty and IT… you are the perfect example of why Livingston should man up to this. You take it as gospel that those he listed as being the same are such. Doesn’t matter the truth, he alleged it, posted it, and by the aura of his pace in the “officialdom’, you take it as gospel.

            He couldn’t take the heat, so he cast out falsehoods KNOWING they were indeed false but unable to be proven otherwise. He knows thiose he lumped together as one cannot contact each other to prove what he did was indeed beyond the bounds.

            I’ve copied what he wrote. When those others post here, i’ll post for their knowledge what has transpired. They as well will protest about the lack of honesty and truthfulness displayed by the negligence (at best) of Mr. Livingston.

            It won’t matter any as you guys will swallow the lie hook, line and sinker. Just take heed folks. This is beyond any ideological debate….take heed. Moral character has been displayed…and you should consider it when reading the articles posted here supposedly cast as ‘truth’.

          • libertytrain

            Jovi – it doesn’t take much looking on the Web, nor being an expert in this field, to understand what you did – why you did it, I don’t understand.

          • JeffH

            Is it an IP Conflict…all coming from the same IP address? Perhaps they all work from the same office.(Like one of those Soros ventures bent on disrupting websites).

            Question: What Is an IP Address Conflict?

            Answer: An IP address conflict occurs when two computers on a LAN (local area network) or the Internet have been assigned the same IP address. IP conflicts between two computers normally render either one or both of them unusable for network operations.

          • DaveH

            It could be, Mick, that there is another “Mick” posting.
            At any rate, let me think, I could trust Bob, who I have never caught lying. Or I could trust Jovianus, who I have caught lying many times. Wow, this is a hard decision. I think I’ll need to think about this a while. NOT.

          • DaveH

            It is possible that there would be the same IP address for multiple computers that are behind a router, but that would mean the posters all came from the same private network, such as a corporation, or a Government Agency.
            So what are the odds that all those Liberal Posters work at the same company, or perhaps the same college? I say college because Jeremy claims to be a student. So, even if Jovianus isn’t really Jeremy or HFlashman, it would be a good indication that they are part of a group of individuals who are purposely trying to disrupt Personal Liberty.
            Nevertheless, with the annoying exception of their intentional lying, I think it’s a good thing for people to see these creepy Liberals as they really are.

          • JeffH

            There was a “mick” lower case letters that was posting for awhile, possibly the wrong Mick(mick).

          • Mick

            Jana says:
            May 16, 2011 at 6:14 pm
            Dave H,
            AND, the first time Mick even posted on this site is after he got called out.
            They may have different stypes as karolyn states, but pretty much the same message.

            (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

            Jana,,,,You are very observant, you are right about me only posting after Bob decided to post that I was part of the liberal gang.
            You suggested to contact my provider in order to clarify the matter but like everything else AOL works when it wants to. Everytime I notify AOL about one matter or another my messages were ignored, the only time i would hear from them would be if I missed a payment…
            Someone else suggested switching provider,it’s great if you have a lot of choices but where I live the choices are very limited unless you want to pay up the ying yang for the service.
            Thanks Jana…………..

          • Jana

            Mick,
            I actually believe you. It is hard when you have been called out for something that you are not.
            Good luck to you and hopefully you can get this straigtened out, but just keep posting. We all know you now for sure, and will recognize you as a conservative. LOL

        • Bruce D.

          I am a little confused also as Jeremy Leocher, Jovianus, and HFlashman seem like distinct and different personalities to me. The rest I am not familiar with. Bob is posting as if they are one and the same. What is the truth?

          • karolyn

            You’r’e right. Totally different styles.

          • libertytrain

            The truth is Jovi has been playing a game. Why for fun? To disrupt? Who knows, for all the good and wonderful people on this site, liberal or conservative there’s always going to be one or two goof-balls.

          • JeffH

            Ask yourself this question, “Why do people create viruses and spyware?” Because they can. For money, to take control of a computer, steal information, to prove a point that it can be done, to prove their skills or for revenge, or just to be plain hatefull.

            If someone is clever enough and have the resources, they can fool most people or if the same computer is used by different people working together.

            Multiple computers might access the Internet though the same router, only one public address is shown on the Net. When those computers access the same website, such server knows two different ‘sources’ are connecting to it, though it doesn’t necessarily assume it’s two computers, as you could use two different web browsers (e.g., Microsoft Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox) on one computer to access the same website and it will be same effect as two different computers accessing the same website.

          • Jovianus

            Well Bruce…the truth is I am sitting in my office in one place, and have no clue what Livingston is referring to as i don’t know Mick, Steve, or whatever. And I assure you that Livingston is full of hot air or grossly negligent in his statements.

            Whether he mans up to it or not, it is not my worry. What y’all should take heed is the willingness to lie, or be negligent, in attempting to tie together posters who have no clue about the other. The only thing they may have in common is they have the gall to disagree with the insanity written in Livingston’s articles or the frequent attempts to hawk gold and silver as a snake oil salesman would to enrich his backers.

            Take heed, and be aware of the values the managerial staff of this forum have. They have none..including lying or being grossly and uncaringly negligent.

            BTW…as another telling note, Livingston knows my private email and has yet to even have a backbone to address this in private. Par for the course for a TPer. Par for the course …

          • libertytrain

            good grief. Me thinks you protest way too much.

          • libertytrain

            how funny, why would someone contact you when they are privy to the truth. And that you are still allowed to post states volumes as to the Personal Liberty afforded on this site.

          • DaveH

            So Jovianus admits to “sitting in my office in one place, and have no clue what Livingston is referring to as i don’t know Mick, Steve, or whatever. And I assure you that Livingston is full of hot air or grossly negligent in his statements”.
            So, let’s analyze this. Jovianus posted at 8:00, 8:13, 8:16, 8:38, 8:57, 9:45, 10:24, 10:35, 10:38, 11:45, 12:26, 12:31, and 1:34.
            Does it sound like he has a Government job? Kind of like Karolyn and her prolific comments during work hours.
            I know, he’ll say that he is self-employed like most of the board Liberals say when asked. If so, he must be the world’s lousiest businessman.

            I think Bob ought to block this lying Liberal. Let him whine and lie somewhere else.

          • Jana

            Dave H,
            AND, the first time Mick even posted on this site is after he got called out.
            They may have different stypes as karolyn states, but pretty much the same message.

          • Jana

            That’s supposed to by styles, not stypes.

        • Jovianus

          Mr. Livingston:

          You well know that you just threw out a false red herring. Nice to know that when you have access to the identities of those who post here you show no qualms about tossing out names which a) cannot be proven to be false and b) are false because you darn well know them to be.

          I am certain those who post on this board, of all ideologies and thought, are appreciative of your disclosing that nothing will be private nor sancrosanct at your subjective and retaliatory thought processes. Including tossing out false red herrings to attack and discredit someone who calls your theories and articles to task.

          I trust you reflect on the honor, or lack thereof, you have just displayed for all to observe and see.

          Have a nice day.

          [I fully expect you to delete this post as well as block me from any further posting. That in and of itself will speak volumes for those who will follow this]

          • libertytrain

            Why would he delete your post – you are so bogus.

          • Bitter Libertarian

            So let me get this straight…you dont like it when someone falsely misrepresents you? Matters not if the evidence you toss about is correct or not you continue to ridicule people, call names and now..YOUR OFFENDED??? HAH! Its OK for you to Group Slander the TP’rs, or Conservatives, or whoever you dont like, but now you are offended?

            How would you feel if you were placed on the watch list because of some innacurate informatiuon….but due to financial limitations..you have to suffer the injustice of FALSE ACCUSDATIONS!

            WELCOME TO AMERICA!

          • Thamera

            Well Jovi, that would explain a lot like NOT ever answering very simple questions like what state you are from, or what it is that YOU do for a living just for one example. What a riot “you” are! hahahahahahahaha

          • JeffH

            Jovi-commie? Can’t handle the truth and the heat of full exposure? There have been many that have posted under various names and some who’ve even used the name of other posters just to dicredit them and you expect everyone to buy into your diatribe with Mr. Livingston?

            I guess you’re not quite as sharp as you thought you were are you? Will you lose your job or will you Move On(.org) to another conservative website? Life is tough and then ya die!

          • JeffH

            Jovi-commie? Why would any of your trash be deleted? That would be the worst that could be done…it’s more entertaining to listen to you whine and cry.

          • libertytrain

            Jeff – wasn’t that flash man who posted as you and then got caught doing it several months back?

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, I remember someone posting under Claire, myself, Angel Wannabee and a few ithers. Nothing new and we’ve seen on multiple occassions how someone, whom we’ve never seen on the website before, make personal comments towrds others with references to prior months or even years.

            You are so right about Jovi-commie too.

          • libertytrain

            eyes and her multiple names – that was fun? Who me? “Who is this eyes person.” Sorry I’m being silly (yet factual) now. :)

          • Cawmun Cents

            “and in thy skill discern a deeper hell”…..haw!

          • DaveH

            Sounds like some desperate flailing coming out of Jovianus. Have you ever noticed how chronic liars will try to disparage their accusors in an attempt to divert attention from their lying?

          • libertytrain

            DaveH – yep. And I’m waiting for the dinner show when the rest of his cast of characters arrive with their lines.

          • JeffH

            Jovi-commie is certainly capable of lying to the end.

        • ValDM

          Mr. Livingston,
          Thank you for a very hearty laugh. I see many similarities between Jovi and HFlashman. Since the latter hasn’t been around for the past few months, I’ve been considering that he took on another name. Both of them have brought up the “success” of Oregon and my mind is made up : they are one and the same.

          Again, thank you for the laugh.

          • Dan az

            ValDM
            Your right I was wondering what happened to old flash in the pan.Then remembered he was from oregon, that explains it perfectly.As far as mick goes I dont think he is one of them.He always seems to me to be awake unlike yoanus.Eddiee is just a want to be retired union slug that will find its time to go back to work,some day I feel he will see the light.
            Bob L I appreciate the heads up.Thanks!

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          Well Bob, Jovi’s spelling issue is relly his keebord doing it.

        • Bitter Libertarian

          Why bother event responding to it (Jovianus?) It serves no purpose and its a waste of a keystroke(s.)

        • Wayne937

          You are right, Bob. I certainly can’t figure this person out. I don’t think anyone else can either. He certainly is not very good at analyzing things out that would fit in the normal persons vocabulary.

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          Opps Jovi-anus__Looks like somebody got caught with they’re pants down!!!_-don’t denounce it Anus, because you can find anything you need to know on the web and I mean anything!_-I have nuisance IP’s on my sites all the time, I know who they are and where they are.

        • Cawmun Cents

          Just for giggles,Jovianus a Roman emporer who was a Persian sychophant.Persia being where modren day Iran is.Hmmmm……it appears leftists and muslims will definitely work together.Especially if they are the same person…haw!

        • Mick

          Dear Bob.

          I tried to find out Jovianus and jeremy’s location without success,maybe you can do better if you try and are interested at the truth.
          It is very disconcerting that a man of your status would print such post without being absolutely sure of its content.

          The geographic details are pulled from a commercially available geolocation database. Geolocation technology can never be 100% accurate in providing the location of an IP address. When the IP address is a proxy server and it does not expose the user’s IP address it is virtually impossible to locate the user. The country accuracy is estimated at about 99%. For IP addresses in the United States, it is 90% accurate on the state level, and 81% accurate within a 25 mile radius. Our world-wide users indicate 60% accurate within 25 miles

          I like to thank
          JeffH, DaveH , Jana , Bruce D., Dan az , and others for having the decency to give me the benefit of the doubt, even Karolyn , a liberal recognized the truth and know that I am a conservative
          I am a woman from Nevada and have no clue to where Jovianus, jeremy ,etc..come from and Mr. Livingston , best regards regardless of your inaccurate post.
          Mick..

          • April

            Hi Mick
            I believe you and appreciate very much that you care so very much about the truth and keeping your credentials stright. I like and respect you for that. Best of luck to ya.

          • April

            I meant straight not stright. Sorry about that. Anyway keep posting on other sites as well and the truth about you will be evident.

      • Bruce D.

        Over 40 million on food stamps and over 9% unemployment. I would say the author backed up his case. Also Detroit is relevant as it is the prototype of leftest policies and give away programs. Leftest policies cannot survive on produvtivity. They must borrow and print mony to survive-hence gold and silver for preservation of wealth and survival. It is not so hard to figure out unless you work for the government or receive their handouts. In those cases you do not want to figure it out.

        • DaveH

          Socialism works until they run out of other peoples’ money.

          • Wayne937

            Dsve, I agree 100 percent. That is what the Liberals like to do. I think most people are getting sick of all the hot air Obama Government spews out of their mouth.

      • jibbs

        Once again, many words that say nothing, and no data to show or a link to your lip flapping. I see no point to an exchange of words with you in the future. I’d say you are full of hot air, but robots don’t breath, they just do what they are programed to do.

      • TXMan

        Jovi anus?
        Your own ignorance shines through with ill-informed comments like: “the world ending in June 2012 as forecast by the Mayan calendar”.
        The Mayan calendar forecast is not “the end of the world”, but “the beginning of a new age”, and the date is Dec 21st 2012, not June.
        You are also counting on the ignorance of the masses and playing on their fears.
        You are no different than the author with the exception of your 5th grade ability to spin the words of another into a mirror image, and display them as your truthfully thoughtful opinion.
        You also recite no evidence to the contrary on any of your claims, just as you claim the author does.
        For you to put your own “snake oil pitch” against the TP’ers and the right is no different than the articles author putting in his own pitch selling the idea to buy gold and silver.
        It doesn’t take “detailed recitation” to prove or refute the real reasons behind the current state of affairs in this country. (or why you should protect yourself by buying gold and silver)
        The reason for this is because it doesn’t take an experts opinion to confirm or discredit common sense.
        The problems that we as Americans face today are caused by corruption on both sides.
        Both parties for decades have been complicit in the destruction of our economic system beginning with the creation of “the FED”.
        The reason you “hawk” for the left is because you have bought in to their B.S., just like others have bought in to the right’s B.S. Nothing but failed policies on both sides for decades.
        According to Albert Einsteins definition of insanity, it makes perfect sense that we try something new. ~ Ron Paul 2012

      • KiloAlpha

        What pile of sand has your head been buried up to your ankles in, boy? Snake-Oil salesman? That would exactly sum up your POSUTUS/TOTUS, who cannot open his mouth without a lie or deceit coming out of it, and zerobamateur is the epitome of the mouthpiece of destroying a nation by gutting the system of free-enterprise…did you forget his crack-pot team of financial filth took over GM & Chrysler, then raped the pension plans and gave this money to the unions? How convenient you forget these facts and say that the TEA party has done something other than stand up for Self-Reliance and LESS gov’t, and balancing a budget and to cease and desist in destroying the sovereign wealth of American Citizens. Where do you think the gov’t gets it’s “power” from exactly, brainiac?

    • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

      DaveH:

      As always, a good post. Where do you come up with all these links?

      Fasten your seat belts.

      I might add to also put on your fire suit and crash helmet.

      • DaveH

        I’ve been studying economics (real economics, not the political kind meant to support Big Government’s profligate ways) for about 40 years now. I don’t have it all memorized, but I know what to look for when the Liberals start with their mindless propaganda.

        • DaveH

          I might add that even with all that education, Bob still surprises me with things that I wasn’t aware of. Good job, Bob Livingston.

        • Jovianus

          LOL…Are you referring to your “Austrian economics” ? LOL

          • Dan az

            hey flash you go,really go now!!!

          • DaveH

            Anybody can do the study and see what makes sense — Keynes theory that Government can create prosperity by printing excess money, or Misean theory that every extra dollar printed makes the outstanding money worth less and does nothing to better the economy.
            To grasp the former, one has to ask himself, what is keeping every poor country from just printing extra money and buying prosperity?
            Of course, the lying Jovianus would like us to suspend all reason and accept the former, because the Political Class benefits from inflation at our expense, and Jovianus is obviously benefitting from propagandizing the ignorant people.

    • Wandamurline

      We cannot riot in the streets…that would be playing into their hands…ever heard of Marshall Law? Believe me, they have. We will be much better off not rioting….selective enemies would be a better approach…as they say, cut the head off a snake and the body dies.

      • Cawmun Cents

        Why,I completely agree Ms.wanda.You cant use leftist tactics and be right about doing it.Stay right and position the verticle and horizontal lines which meet in the center correctly. Go to the dance and watch the attendants prance.When you attain the seeing organ of the male bovine unit,make sure that it is optimum.Choose your animal effectively and disperse soon afterwards.Essential is the flight of the stern.Mind your dizzy spells and sleep well.

  • granny mae

    Yes it is and I hope that we have inspired many more people to get ready for this. People we are not just wisteling Dixie ! It is way past time to open your eyes and prepare. No matter what your political views are, this goes beyond politic. The recent happenings that are going to add to this problem is High gass prices and the flooding of the Mississippi river. When they flood farm land it takes that land out of use for at least a year. This flooding was caused from snow and ice melting up north, now if there is another bad winter with a lot of snow this coming winter, it may do the same thing next year and where will you be ? There is going to be shortages of food stuffs and the only way to get more is to import it from China and other countries. They will get the highest price they can get for it, due to supply and demand. There are also famins in many countries all over the world so there may not be a big supply available for us. I am begging you all to stock up now on as much as you can. It will never go to waste because you can always eat it !
    Please do not waste any more time putting this off !

    • Beverly

      Granny mae: you are absolutely right! Why can people NOT see what is coming? Is it denial, or maybe they don’t have any extra money to stock up a little, or do they think the government will come to their rescue? I just don’t understand how people can knowingly harm their children by not being ready. What are they going to tell them when there is no food, and they are hungry? I cry.

      • DaveH

        Beverly,
        some is denial, some is ignorance, some is purposeful ignorance brought on by feeding at the trough.
        We have seen this sort of thing thoughout history. Our founders were wise to the ways of Government leaders several centuries ago. It is the nature of those in Government to grow their own power and perks at the citizen’s expense. Those who resist (like Ron Paul) are a rare breed indeed.
        Leaders will use all manner of excuses to ensnare the minds of the followers. Some will try to convince us that they are protecting us from a bad economy, when in fact they are causing the bad economy with their meddling in our Marketplaces. Others will try to convince us that they are protecting our Freedom with military excursions around the world, when in fact they are endangering our Freedom by increasing the number of our foreign enemies. Some will try to convince us that they are protecting us from society’s maladjusted people, when in fact they are creating more problems for all of us.
        Read this article for an example of the latter:
        http://reason.com/archives/2011/02/17/the-deadliest-rhetoric/singlepage

        • LibRep

          It’s called “Normalcy Bias.” People don’t believe anything that bad will actually happen so they dismiss it. A recent example is Katrina. People were warned it was going to be bad, but most stayed anyway because they didn’t believe it would get that bad until it was too late. The Jews went through the same in Germany during the Holocaust. Porter Stansberry covered it well in a message that has since gone viral, heard by millions of people. I think it would do Jovi some good to give it a listen. Hopefully it will change his mind about the current state of affairs.

          • DaveH

            Jovianus isn’t going to learn anything. He’s part of the machine. His intent is only to propagandize those ignorant enough to buy his load.

          • Carlucci

            jovi wouldn’t recognize the “normalcy bias” or common sense if it came up and bit him on the ass. He and all of the other libtard cast of characters from the looney left are here from Moveon.org and/or Acorn to rabble rouse and create conflict.

      • Ga_Mtn_Lady

        Beverly,
        There is a thing called “Normalcy Bias”. It means that people have seen things the way they are for years and it is impossible for them to believe that they could change. Before the beginning of WWII, there were Jews who saw things falling apart and got out. There were Six Million Jews who were wrong! I keep that thought in my mind every day as I get ready for what I see coming. The other thing I keep in mind is “2 + 2 = 4″ Always! And therefore printing money = Inflation. I need no other facts to spur me on. Six million Jews were Wrong and 2 + 2 = 4. Get ready and try to convince those who you love. You can do no more other than VOTE if you get the chance.

    • kodster5

      Granny Mae, it’s because we are of an older generation, who grew up straddling the two economic periods of the Great Depression (our parents affected us by their frugality, having living through that period), as well as the current Great Prosperity age that is now crashing down around us. We know what is coming, because we know better what the economic conditions are, how the weather affects the growing season, the overall cause and effect of events. We were taught by the old school of teachers who taught us well how things work together, why we are here as a nation. The progressives/revisionists have dumbed down the generations after us so that they can continue their charade, and those that are learning the lies, do not know any better, because they haven’t been through the hard times before. All they think is America is the greatest nation, and that life has always been good for us.

      Thank God for my teachers in school, Mr. Frey, Mr. Fredgren, et al, all who have passed on, but taught the truth! If it wasn’t for them, I wouldn’t have the knowledge to question what is going on.

    • hunter

      Ohhh MY GOD!!!! This is makes it clear, there is global cooling! We’re all gonna die!!! Where the hell is Al Gore when we need him? The giverment must take quik and evasive action at all speed, at all costs, only they can save us, too big to fail!

      • Wayne937

        hunter, Al Gore wouldn’t make a pimple on a good man’s butt cheek.

  • Bob Marshall

    I found a site if i can mention it that is the best i have found for information on things likr 9/11. I didn’t by the governments version from day one.When they mentioned the two planes disappeared from the screen for thrity minutes and the Whitehouse.I know this is supposed to be about the economy. There was a lot of money masde with inside trading. Allairplanes involved in the attack left from an airport owned by Isareli men. Obama ha ssold us out. Hebeings neocon himself is thking thid country to a economic meltdown. I see these invasions and air attacks all over the middle east mostly led by US forces to be the beginning of the NWO. Globalization. I am afraid Syria will be next. he won’t stop there. This country is already broke.i realize that this was ther plan of the PNAC before it was disloved. Now it is the CFR, THe Trilateral Commission and The Bilderberg Group that runs the show. Obama is a puppet much like Bush. I am familar with The ILLUMINATI Eight. I know this is eight of the wealthiest families in the world. I know these organizations own the major bank and holmost stock as The Four Horsemen in major oil companies. The house of Saud has a lot of influence in Americas foreign policies.i saw a video whereone Isareli leader said to a diplomat we own the United States. I believe it. it is amazing the things their Mossad and terorist organization are allowed to get away with in this country. 9/11 is a perfect example. No way that wasn’t an inside job. I found out tonight you don;t speak about Isarel, even in America.

    • Al Sieber

      You got that right Bob.

    • kodster5

      The only issue I have with your post, Bob, is the insinuation that 9/11 was influenced by the Israelis. That’s anti-Semitism, and I have objection to anything that reeks of that. The Israelis have nothing to do with any attacks by nationals of a country that gave birth to the most severest radical form of Islam, which is the Wahabism sect, and that’s Saudi Arabia (the birthplace of Osama bin Laden, a member of the royal family there, whom they disowned, because they wanted to distance themselves from Wahabism, in appearances, so they could have their hands out for American foreign aid). Believe it or not, the royal family of Saudi Arabia is deep into Wahabism. So, don’t look at Israel and blame them for what happened in 9/11. Look at the truth… look at the dogs that bit the hand that fed them.

      • JC

        I don’t believe for a minute that bin Laden had anything at all to do with 911. It was an inside job.

  • s c

    Bribery is a very polite way to describe what’s been going on for at least the past five generations. The Fed’s role in this bribery scheme can’t be discounted. Add to that the willing part of Congress and quite a few prez-types, and the picture gets interesting PDQ.
    Many Americans choose to ram their heads up their collective opinions, and others choose to live in deep denial.
    Any way you care to look at it, America’s situation is a twisted combination of slaves who don’t yet know they’re slaves (us) and literally ‘the best government that money can buy.’
    So much for the “joys” of having a democracy. Give me a functional republic. Democracy and democracy-lovers can shove it any way it’s comfy.

    • kodster5

      Very astute, s c! But I wouldn’t want them to have “it comfy”… I want them to feel how it’s hurting, just as much as it is hurting us to deal with their “democratic” ideas. As Benjamin Franklin told the woman after they signed our Constitution… “we gave you a republic, if you can keep it.” Obviously, he was correct in his prediction… we couldn’t keep it.

  • http://None J.B. Williams

    Nikita Kruschev promised us he would bury us. Americans are so distracted by their electronic gadgets and internet entertainment that they have stopped researching, voting, studying, reading, working, paying their bills, raising their children loving and caring for their families, and even worshipping God. The United States is never mentioned in the propehsies of the Bible, probably because it died from lack of focus and use of logic.

    • Cawmun Cents

      Sad but true.

    • kodster5

      You’re 100% on the money, J.B. The US isn’t in Bible prophecy because we killed our nation. We’re going to be wiped off the face of the earth, between the evil ones that are left behind and the lawlessness that will be left to explode, and the true believing Christians of this nation who get called home, allowing the evil ones to create havoc.

  • Raggs

    You all need to look at the obvious first… This is a set-up!
    There is no faster way for the government to steal the rest of our rights than to create a crisis…

    • JC

      It’s what they’ve always done alright.

  • Wayne

    All I can say is that we had better start watching this president, and Congress, and let them know how we feel about their role in the economic mess this country is currently in. Remember, the House is the one that controls the purse strings in Congress.

    • kodster5

      Wayne, we’ve been watching, and feel strangled, because it seems that no one else is paying attention. That’s why we want Obama out of the office of President SOOOO bad. Why we’re so angry at Congress, and the idiots who keep voting in the RINOs and Democrats who perpetuate the problems, instead of candidates who are like us, wanting to stop the madness! We’re frustrated, and we vent here.

    • Wayne937

      By the way, I am now going by wayne937, not wayne, as I remembered that there is another wayne on this forum at times.

  • Rennie

    I think upending our government is the goal of this White House, and seeking mutual aid from those countries Obama has been supporting rebellion in, in otherwords, the USA will be part of the greater shia alliance, the new “Third Reich”, or maybe I should say “Fourth Reich”?

    • JC

      Quotes from and about the Council on Foreign Relations:

      After the insiders have established the United Socialist States of America (in fact if not in name), the next step is the Great Merger of all nations of the world into a dictatorial world government. … The Insiders’ code word for the world superstate is “new world order,” a phrase often used by Richard Nixon. The Council on Foreign Relations states in its Study No. 7: “The U.S. must strive to: A. BUILD A NEW INTERNATIONAL ORDER.” … A world government has always been the object of the Communists.
      ~Gary Allen

      George Herbert Walker Bush, quotes about CFR:
      [The war in Iraq is] a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of cooperation. Out of these troubled times…a new world order can emerge.

      Council on Foreign Relations, quotes about CFR:
      The sovereignty fetish is still so strong in the public mind, that there would appear to be little chance of winning popular assent to American membership in anything approaching a super-state organization. Much will depend on the kind of approach which is used in further popular education.

      Government of Morocco, quotes about CFR:
      The Final Act of the Uruguay Round, marking the conclusion of the most ambitious trade negotiation of our century, will give birth – in Morocco – to the World Trade Organization, the third pillar of the New World Order, along with the United Nations and the International Monetary Fund.

      Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl, PhD, quotes about CFR:
      The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the CFR, The Trilateral Commission — founded by Brzezinski for David Rockefeller — and the Bilderberger Group, have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting against terrorists. They are fighting against citizens.

      J. P. Morgan, quotes about CFR:
      Capital must protect itself in every way… Debts must be collected and loans and mortgages foreclosed as soon as possible. When through a process of law the common people have lost their homes, they will be more tractable and more easily governed by the strong arm of the law applied by the central power of leading financiers. People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. This is well known among our principle men now engaged in forming an imperialism of capitalism to govern the world. By dividing the people we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd.

      James Paul Warburg, quotes about CFR:
      We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.

      Rear Admiral Chester Ward, quotes about CFR:
      The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government.

      Woodrow Wilson, quotes about CFR:
      We have restricted credit, we have restricted opportunity, we have controlled development, and we have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated, governments in the civilized world–no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.

      Oh it’s real alright….
      Arm Yourselves.

      • kodster5

        And what about the illustrious Senator from West Virginia, John Rockefeller, member of one of the most philantrophus families of the US (and ALL members of the CFR/Skull & Bones/Bilderberg Group, et al)! Check out that history…

        • JC

          Volumes can, and have been written on the subject.

          • JeffH

            JC, a lot more has been written about the CFR than most people are willing to read and comprehend.

            Merging the United States with other nations becomes possible only if our country’s uniqueness is significantly watered down to where it no longer stands apart from the rest of the world. So, our CFR-influenced leaders commenced building socialism here at home (the social-welfare state), giving away our wealth (foreign aid), and entangling the United States in an assortment of sovereignty-compromising pacts and agreements (the UN, WTO, NATO, NAFTA, etc.).

            In 1966, Georgetown Professor Carroll Quigley’s monumental Tragedy and Hope became available. In his 1,350 pages, this influential academic, who mentored Bill Clinton, bared details about a “secret society” (Quigley’s phrase) formed to rule the world. He was one of the rare scholars who had been allowed access to the network’s secret records, and he was sympathetic to its goals, though he disagreed with its intent to remain unknown. The network’s front group in the United States, he said, is the Council on Foreign Relations

            Those who want the new world order are very few. Most Americans certainly don’t want socialistic domination and the loss of our nation’s independence. Why are so many silent? Why don’t they rise as one and really “throw the rascals out”?

            Can it be done? Yes! Will it be done? That remains to be seen. All who love this country, love their children, love truth, and love freedom had better get busy and start using our freedoms to save our freedoms. If a mere minority of the American population can be enlisted, educated, and let loose throughout America with honest facts and perspective, the new world order will crash and be relegated to history’s dust bin.
            http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/election/546

          • Bitter Libertarian

            This is what make me laugh at people who bash Ron Paul and his foreign policy. They are CLUELESS as to where the real threat comes from! I say (Mark my words) if Ron Paul were Elected we would see at least 2-3 BIG false flag attacks to make Paul and his Foreign policies, Liberty Policies, and Libertarian leadership style look bad. They will be sold to the American Public as “Terrorists” when in reality they are agenst of the FED, CFR & Bilderberg group. They WANT & NEED Liberty/Freedom to be branded as dangerous to your safety so they can “complete the works of death”. Mark my words.

  • MaryLovesGod

    It is all very frightening! What if one doesn’t have the “money” to invest in silver or gold? Those who are barely surviving now? I’ve tried to tell my husband about what’s going on and what’s happening to our country but he doesn’t believe anything I say! He won’t even read the material I’ve given him and if he does he still doesn’t believe it. People are either blind, stupid, or just don’t want to believe it (like my husband)! I live out in the middle of no where and have no place to store things – that won’t freeze,that is i.e. water. I hate to say it, but my husband will believe it when it’s too late!

    • patty

      Then you best be self reliant.

    • DaveH

      Learn as much as you can, Mary, and just keep politely informing your husband as days go on. Eventually, his blinders will come off. But you must be careful not to make it a matter of pride on his part, or he will shut his mind to your words of wisdom.
      Some excellent books to read for a real eye opener into just how much we have all been propagandized to love Big Government were written by Thomas DiLorenzo (“The Real Lincoln”, “Lincoln Unmasked”, “Hamilton’s Curse”). If you can get a copy of any of the three, and somehow gently persuade your husband to read it, it would go a long way towards lifting the blinders from his eyes.
      Here is an example of some of Thomas’s wise writings:
      http://mises.org/daily/2317

    • kodster5

      Mary, I’m right there with you. My husband does see the trouble coming, but for some reason, he doesn’t realize the severity of what is coming. He thinks we’ll get through it okay, but I keep telling him, the Bible says that these times will be so bad, it will take a day’s wages to buy a loaf of bread. In biblical times, that was only enough money to buy enough food for one person, let alone a family of 4. People just don’t realize what these things mean, and the context in which they were said in. They want to cherry-pick, they want to ignore the full picture. That’s my husband. He’s got tunnel-vision. He says he’s a true believer, but he is in denial of Bible prophecy. I can see how everything is tied together, the economics, the interaction of the different nations, politically, economically, all the way down to the weather effects on our ability to produce food. I live in a rural area, too (North Dakota). We had the 3rd worst winter in a very long time here, and it’s affecting the entire country, with the melting, and believe it or not, it was actually snowing again Friday night here, in the middle of May! The state has 40 counties in national disaster declarations because of all the flooding, and it’s slowing down our planting season, so we won’t be able to product the amount of food that this area is notorious for. With the grain being produced going to unviable products like ethanol, instead of food, because they can sell it for more money, and the rest of it being sold off to countries like China, there is no food for the people of America. We’re choking ourselves off, literally.

      I have a full, unfinished basement, so I’ve got the storage area for keeping my stores of food and water, survival supplies, etc., secure from raiders. Can you grow a garden? Can you learn to can your produce, so you don’t have to worry about it freezing? It won’t be long, you’ll be going to your neighbors for the dairy, eggs, etc., and trading and bartering. You’ll be in a better position to do that, than the people living in urban areas, unless they have converted part of their yards to chicken coops, etc. So, that is something you can do, and your husband won’t think twice about what you’re doing. Just tell him that you’re wanting to live the country life to the hilt! Get some chickens, to have for meat, eggs. Raise rabbits for meat. Just suggestions and ideas. I know, I’m doing it.

    • Mimi

      MaryLovesGod, you said it is all very frightening and if you listen to all this in the “natural” then yes it is frightening. But aren’t we told in the Bible over and over again, 365 times I believe, to not be afraid. It’s good to be prepared, stock up on food, water, gold and silver if you can buy it, but the main thing you better do is trust in God. If you let yourself be over run in fear, you are playing right into the enemies hand instead of trusting in letting the Lord lead you into the things you need to do to survive here. Bob Livingston may be a voice from the Lord telling us what we need to do. The Lord gives us messages in many ways, we need to ask for wisdom and knowledge when we hear people speak these things and for peace in our spirit when the truth is being told. You know enough already what’s going on in our country and around the world and when you read these posts you will know who is lying and who is not. I will tell you right now that Jovianus is very much not telling the truth and Bob Marshall is on target on some things, but is absolutely reading trash if he things Israel had anything to do with 9/11. I never saw pictures of Israeli’s dancing in the streets and celebrating the towers coming down as I did the Arabs/Muslims, I’ve never seen Israeli’s burning our flags and declaring that they will destroy us or conquer us as the Muslims/Arabs do everyday and there are still atrocities being committed by radical Islam everyday all over the world. Bob truly needs to have his eyes opened regarding Israel. Are they perfect? No, but then neither are we or any country in the world, but they are the only democracy in the Middle East and the only country over there that will “Warn” the citizens of the surrounding country to leave if they plan on a retaliation attack to keep from being bombed off the map. There are really some very excellent and informed posts on here though and ones that should be heeded. God bless you all.

      • Jovianus

        Not telling the truth? Jeesh … “Jovianus doesn’t agree with the wacked out insanity proposed by the various authors or posters on this board…so he must be lying!”

        LOL…. whatever…

        • jibbs

          Please don’t go away mad, just go away, there’s nothing on here for you

          • Jana

            Jovi,
            You have lost all of your credibility, not that you ever really had any with me, but now we all know about you and your deceptions.

        • DaveH

          No, Jovianus, don’t flatter yourself. It has nothing to do with your different point of view, and everything to do with the fact that you purposely tell lies to mislead people.

    • http://! Angel Wannabe

      MaryLovesGod, as long you know what your doing is right then do it, don’t wait for his approvel, stock up little by little. My kids thought I was nutz too a few years back, thankfully they’ woken up, here’s a thought, keep the literature you have, around where ya know your husband can see it, he’ll eventually read it, Mine did, trust me.

    • Wayne937

      Mary, your husband is most likely not a responsible person like you are. Mary, go to this website http://www.enchantedlearning.com/stories/fairytale/littleredhen/story/ and have yourhusband read the story of the “Little Red Hen”. If he refuses to read it, read it to him. I he will not listen, you really have a problem.

  • Robert

    i read a lot of this and it’s all well and good. america is falling and what not. what i don’t read is how people are going to communicate when the event brings in martial law. what about the foreign troop agreements and how should people handle that when it is engaged by a failing government desperate to regain control over the population? the elites have been planning this for many decades now (20, 50, 200?) and they’re not stupid. it’s a rush for them since they have plenty of money and can just do whatever they feel like. the end game is a game to control while the people never know what is going on. this is biblical – our fight isn’t even with the elites on earth, it’s with evil in high places. so what is the comms plan when the events begin to go south? the people have the numbers, but they don’t have the organization.

    • jibbs

      I was looking at some two-way radios for my neighbors and us(not too over priced, and a couple small solar panels for recharging the two-way and cell phones(again, not to over pried) . Hand crank radio/lights. Like I said before, find like minded people near you that you pool togeather with and trust.

      • kodster5

        Exactly, jibbs. Only problem is, a lot of us are too unsure to trust anyone. If we speak up, then we’re looked at as conspiracy-theorists. My problem is, I know what is happening, and I’m an “outsider” because I just moved to North Dakota, in the rural area. I don’t speak too much about how bad things are going to get, because the people here are already isolationists… they’re content to go about their business, and leave everyone else to themselves. Only they also are reliant on being able to go to the big city to get the things they want, and expect it to be there when they go to town. Unfortunately, it won’t be long, that their reliant supplies are dried up, and they’ll be too fearful to go to town, because of the criminal element that will flare up. So, what are they going to do? That’s why I’m content in my little house, with a full basement, a large enough yard to grow my garden, get a few chickens and rabbits, hunt the deer that is abundant here, etc. Just need to find my connections for my dairy and eggs, etc.

        • jibbs

          I know what you mean about being an outsider, we just moved here about seven months ago. I was lucky to have a good realitor and somehow we hit it off and have remained good friends. I guess I should have stated him and my brother as the one’s I trust so far. I did find a few people yesterday at the Sustainable Livivg Fair, but will have to get to know them better. I also found 3 people near by on GOOOH.com I don’t even trust the local cops(flunkies) very little training, @ $12.00hr. They fired one that was scared to turn the lights off at the baseball fields in the park by herself…I’m glad we are served by the Sheriffs Dept.

  • http://none Karl Larsen

    Depends what you believe of what you read. I think it is possible that our President is not an American. I know the government has about $3 Trillion Dollars in debt. It has the $14 Trillion Dollar National Debt that costs about $500 Billion dollars every year in interest payments.

    I hope the Republicans in the House stop any increase in the National Debt since they can. This it is said will bring on the Failed Government phase which it is for sure!

    • kodster5

      Karl, you’re dreaming if you think the folks in Congress are going to stop this madness. They’re all part of the problem, and the ones that we expected to help, are the ones with their heads the furthest up their asses! The Democrats KNOW what is going on, and it’s all part of the plan!

      • Carlucci

        The RINOs in Congress & the Senate are just as bad as the dems. The only exceptions are the Doctors Paul.

  • MaryLovesGod

    granny mae – it’s called God’s wrath for the gross immorality going on all over the world!

    • Jana

      MaryLovesGod,
      It is God’s wrath against those who don’t love HIM. If you love the Lord, remember, He is not mad at you.
      Remember Shadrack, Meshach and Abednego, who in the Old Testament were thrown into the fiery furnace? God took care of them and they came out without one hair singed and all of their clothes were still intact, and they didn’t even smell of smoke, yet those that threw them into the furnace perished from this fire and they never even went inside this furnace.
      Pray, read your Bible, and stay close to the Lord, He will provide for you.
      Hugs

      • Kate8

        Jana – In Jewish symbolism, the furnace represents the power and force of government.

        • Jana

          This even goes to show that God protected Shadrak Meshak and Abednego from the Gov.’t. After all Nebuchadnezzar was the Government at that time.

          When Nebuchadnezzar had his dream and Daniel interpreted it, the head of Gold is symbolic of Government. In fact GOD also told them that the Gov.’t would start in Babylon.
          This is part of the 4 hidden dynasties.

          Isn’t it remarkable to know and understand that GOD even has control of Governments? What is happening now as then, is in HIS plan.

          • Kate8

            Jana – AMEN!

            I find it so helpful to go to Jewish symbolism when reading Scripture. Yeshua taught from this understanding, as well.

            Rabbi Daniel Lapin has done much work in helping Christians to understand these things. Like he says, everyone needs a Rabbi!.

            If we really want to understand Scripture, we must be able to read it from the Jewish perspective. When we do this, a whole new level of understanding emerges.

  • MaryLovesGod

    I agree, Robert!

    • Eddie47d

      This article in the paper today said that a few people want to sell off the gold in Ft Knox.(About $220 billion). I thought that was shortsighted since that would only cover about 3 months of government function. Chris Edwards of the Libertarian Cato Institute is one who is wanting to sell our assets. Ron Utt of the Heritage Foundation is another who wants to sell our gold. Bob Livingston says we should buy gold and hang on to it. So shouldn’t the government hang on to whatever is left? Steve Forbes says we should get back to the gold standard yet how can this be done if it is sold off. Too many mixed signals from the same side of the political spectrum. Maybe Bob can clarify. Thanks.

      • jibbs

        Well Eddie47d, back at the Ranch, I bought a Berkey water filter w/extra filters, planted the garden with heirloom seeds, canning jars, stored canned food, dry goods, small grain mill, sealed storage containers. Also bought some sealed food from Provident Living( it will keep for 25years)
        We went to a sustainable living fair yesterday, and came away with a wealth of free info. and some news friends. I can’t spend alot, but I spend some each week. Stock defence weapons, ammo, cleaning kits and the big item….toilet paper!! Get vaccum seal bags for cloths and don’t spend on foolish things. Visit survival websites and find like minded people near you. I found some on GOOOH, and at the sites listed below.
        http://providentliving.org/
        http://rareseeds.com/
        http://www.survivalblog.com/2009/12/a_wilderness_hide_location_for.html

        I drove to the first two listed as they are nearby, They are very friendly and helpful. Good luck
        P.S. Adopt the Boy Scout Motto: Be Prepaired! if nothing happens, great…but if it doe’s, then what do you do????
        Good Luck

        • kodster5

          Right there with ya, Jibbs. I can’t drive to these places, but they ship! Get ‘em while you can!

        • Carlucci

          jibbs, I’m glad you brought up the Berkey water filter. I was just looking at their website and cannot figure out which one would be best to buy for me. I’m pretty much all by myself most of the time, but if/WTSHTF, and family members came to stay, I would want to have enough water. A friend came to stay for a few months when their home was destroyed by IKE in 2008. I’m going to buy two Water Bobs at Cheaper Than Dirt, http://www.cheaperthandirt.com. I also have a swimming pool.

          Since you have a Berkey, which one did you buy and is it working well for you? I have looked at their website and they have so many to choose from, it is confusing.

          • jibbs

            We bought the Berkey Royal, I give it 5 stars. With 2 filters it can make 4 gals. per hour. It’s just the two of us and our two dogs, on average we use 2 to 3 gallons per day depending on what we cook, and we both drink a lot of water. It seems like a big unit, but if the SHTF, you can always barter with water and build up your own back up supply. It’s been about six weeks and I love it, two filters are good for about 6000 gals. I was also gonna purchance 2 extra filter just so I have them on hand. We paid $275.00 with a free base stand.

          • jibbs

            P.S. that also included free shipping.

          • jibbs

            Whats are, Water bobs? I looked at CTD, but the search was zero found.I was going to list a cheap ammo site, but the last time I tried to do that on here, my post was blocked ( so much for free speech) and helping others. Seems like they want you to be prepaired on this site, but you can’t help with ammo site’s or gun site’s.

          • libertytrain

            Jibbs – I think it was DaveH or Jeff that just posted that more than one link on your post automatically sends things to needs approval. Try it again with just one link in a post. I think you’ll be successful

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Liberty train, it happened to me the other day, I posted two links on one post, and it was up for moderation for a while after that.

          • Kate8

            Carlucci – I bought the Berkey Light over 2 years ago (Berkey Royal couldn’t ship to CA), and I love it. It got so that I had such a craving for pure, fresh water to drink that I HAD to have it, and Berkey was a great choice.

            One thing I like about the B.Light is that you can see how much water is in it. The downside is that, after a year, it developed a crack in the plastic at the spout, and I had to have the bottom jar replaced.

          • Carlucci

            jibbs – thank you for the info on the Berkey water filter. I remembered another question. I am used to drinking bottled spring water (Ozarka) because I don’t care for the way our tap water tastes (I’m in a MUD). How does the water taste once it has gone through the Berkey filtering process? I would love it if it made the water taste as good as Ozarka, as I would save a lot of money not having to buy bottled water.

            A Water Bob is a food grade plastic bladder you put in the bathtub and fill up with water. You use it for emergencies like when storms are predicted and the power goes out. (I’m also guessing that some people make Fish House punch in it for a big party, judging by what one blogger posted on the site). Anyway, try this link:

            http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/CAMP205-1.html#Reviews

          • jibbs

            Sorry it took so long to answer, Had to make driveway repairs after all the heavy rain here in Missouri. The water from the Berkey is a very clean pure taste. We quit buying bottle water after getting the Berkey. We didn’t like our tap water either. Hmm, you buy Ozarka water, sounds like you live in Mo….howdy neighbor!

      • kodster5

        Eddie, the last I heard, there is NO gold at Ft. Knox… it’s all gone already.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Eddie47d,

        I’m afraid Ft. Knox has already been pilfered. There has been much hue and cry over efforts to audit the gold there. I don’t think the powers that be want us going there. But if there is any still there, it should remain.

        The collapse is inevitably leading us to a gold standard. Read this link to see how it has all been part of the grand plan: http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/261.cfm

        Best wishes,
        Bob

  • http://poetryfortherevolution.blogspot.com leo corion

    The End will come when the value of Gold siphons up the tsunami of world debt and Governments will be forced to save their economies by ushering in a Golden Age of sound money and wise government.

    Or start another war on US!
    “Truth engenders anger and denial!”
    Support the Oath Takers!

  • http://com i41

    Since Joeanus, is the classic mental midget marxist/communist democrap that wants to live under total government control. What party has brought USA the Federal Reserve, SS, Nocare from Onumnutts, and all the regulatary agencies that keep expanding. The tax laws that keep mushrooming under the same socialist bastard party every year they are in power. Why it is the Dumbocrap Union Muslim Loving No Mind Party. Joeanus hates the Tea Party and any one not in lock step, with his radical mental proclivity to be a ward of the government. Joeanus is one ofthe same simple minded smucks who put the marxist/communist muslim moron and all the worthless bastards in Congress, even if destroys the USA!

  • Beverly

    To Robert at 8:29 am: Can someone explain to me why the White House has invited the Libyan REBELS to Washington? Gadaffi is still the leader in Libya. And how would this administration know WHICH rebels to invite? We have been set up, along with Gadaffi, and I don’t know why. Will they be part of the “police” force in case of martial law? If gun purchases by citizens are any indication, it looks like people are getting ready for something bad that might affect their families. I hope they have food stored, too.

  • http://www.reformdc.com nax777

    The Governing parties are unbeatable. It is inhumane to limit the number of immigrants. Life does not begin at conception. These believes combined has and always will wipe out the culture that holds them.

    The stage was set for people to be divided from each other before the founding of the United States. The attempt to unite the people was not and most likely never will be easy. It seems all too easy to pit people against each other and fan the flames.

    Dems & Pubs are faceless but focused power hungry inanities. Do you want the power or freedom?

    Protect your right to self-preservation. Only those with a strong will to maintain numbers and a defensive army will prosper. The more people that engage in distraction the easier it is for the focused.

    Goooh.com, NumbersUSA.com and SBA-list.org depend on active rolls from people as any movement needs in order to succeed. Reformdc.com links to these movements, you might be able to click on my name.

  • thinking about

    Some just don’t get it, Egyptians was paying 80% of their earnings for food and fuel. The haves wants the have nots to have less. It is a world where you continue to push people over the cliff and then wonder why they come out and fight. The disparity in the salaries continues to broaden, the haves have sent jobs to other countries and guess where those workers pay taxes, it is not the USA. You can urge the buying of gold and silver until you end in a deal like the Hunt brothers found themselves in when they tried to corner the market on metals.

  • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

    Bob:
    I am afraid you are right on target. TEA Party – too little, too late. And with “leaders” Like Boehner and Cantor, well, enough said.

    I occasionallylisten to a fella named bob Brinker on the radio on Sunday afternoon. He has an investment show. About one month ago I heard him in a converstion with a caller concerning inflation. The caller was worried about the ever increasing rate of inflation. Brinker told him there was no inflation! I thought the caller was gonna go balistic as he queried if Bob ever bought groceries or gas, or did he have that done for him? Brinker assured him that he did indeed do his own shopping and had witnessed NO inflation. At that point I began to lose confidence in Mr. Brinker.

    The price of gound beef has almost tripled in the last six months! So, in March I bought a cow, kept half and split the other half with two other people. Total cost was $2.40 / pound for all of it. A WHOLE lot cheaper than even hamburger in the store.

    I have been following your alerts for about a year and wish I had been here MUCH longer. I have been “prepping” since last Fall thanks to you Bob.

    As I have stated in other posts here – people think I’m a little crazier than they used to think I was, but as the saying goes: “He who laughs last, laughs best”.

    Thanks again Bob. Hope you have gotten everything back together since “the big wind” in April.

    • jibbs

      Well said, Old Henry
      Buying a cow and spliting with my brother is next on our list. We are pretty lucky that we have made good friends with our realitor that sold us are home last Oct. when we left the communist Chicago area for rural Missouri. He’s like minded and raises some beef cattle, chickens and goats. We even trade off work with each other so we can save money for other things needed. He takes the hay from are field and lowers the beef price also. There are still good people left out there.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Jibbs:

        Glad you were able to get outa Dickyville. What a sewer – and they are bleeding the rest of the state to death.

        I catch Brinker on “The Big 89″ WLS.

        When I first inquired about buying the cow in January my friend quoted $1.04 / pound. By fMarch when I was able to get it into the processor it was $1.83 / pound, and rising.

        It sounds like you got a good spot to “land”, and good friends / neighbors. That’s a wonderful thing.

        • jibbs

          Your right about that Old Henry, it’s a sewer! How about the 2.5% state income tax jump, that must be Turbin’s crown jewl. Kinda miss the Big 89. Remember when that was the rock station back in the 60′s & 70′s along with with Super CFL(WCFL) oh boy, showing my age!

  • Henry Ledbetter

    In the early history of the nation of Israel, the people kept crying out to God to allow them to have a king. He finally allowed them to have what they wanted; all the while knowing they would be sorry later, but they insisted on being like the other nations. For the most part, their kings were evil and the blessings of God departed the nation. Hezekiah was the last good king of Judah and the people prospered and were at peace during His reign . Manasseh would follow and was evil; thus Jerusalem was overrun by the Babylonians and were taken into captivity for 70 years by King Nebuchadrezzar. They had been warned by the prophets 100 years before but they, like America today, would not listen Sad to say that,
    “Many seek the rulers favor, but every man’s judgement comes from the Lord.” Proverbs 29:26

    • kodster5

      Very relevant, Henry. There are those who think that doesn’t apply to us, but that is God’s way of telling us… history repeats itself to those that don’t learn from their mistakes. We, as a nation, turned our backs on God long ago, and we have been reaping the consequences of that action, just like the Israelites of the Old Testament. This nation was formed on a God-fearing foundation, a Christian nation (unlike those who would want to think otherwise), so we were to reap the blessings of God, much like He desired to bless Israel. A lot of people want to believe that the US replaced Israel in God’s blessings, but that simply is not true. Israel has ALWAYS been, and ALWAYS will be the apple of His eye. However, the US was formed to be a protector of Israel, and a place for His people to find shelter in, until He determined that the time had come to bring them home from the Diaspora (the scattering of the nation of Israel, as a result of their disobedience to Him). Now that Israel has formed from the valley of bones (as in Ezekiel 37:1-14), the US is collapsing from her own disobedience to Him. A lot of Jews do not want to leave the US, because of their blessings received here, but now, they’re looking to leave, because it’s getting so hard here. This is a way of God pushing them to return to the homeland, but also as a punishment for the US, for turning our backs on Him. We’re being punished, and refuse to look at history to learn from it.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Absolutely Kodster. I have said things similar to that for 40 years. I guess it was the good luck of having a very conservative and very intelligent Missouri Synod Lutheran Pastor when I was a kid.

        We will, and have been, ridiculed for thinking such, but so be it.

        And since Little Barry the Communist-In-Chief has officially turned our country’s back on Israel it will get worse here – in a hurry.

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          Old Henry, and the good news is that God Knows who for him, and who is against him. We can at least take comfort in that.

  • http://! Angel Wannabe

    Well__ as the saying goes, we can lead a horse to water, but can’t make them drink. Same goes for info, you can put news out there, but ya can’t force people to believe it.
    Its hard to imagine that Progressive sheep refuse to see whats before them, such as the elections, It’s not rocket science, that no matter who (we vote in) (I use the term loosely)goes into office, that nothing changes. Progressive sheep remind of a Muslim, they hang to the belief, all is well and go down for the agenda or die for they’re cause, they’ll get their 72 virgins. I hope in the end they get what they want. BUT, It’s my guess, when the TPTB get through using them for their “Cause”, they’ll end up like the rest of us, as slaves.
    Just for shytes and giggles__Let’s what progressive denounces this!

    http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/48643-sherry-jackson-the-political-prisoner-and-former-irs-agent-jailed-for-standing-up-for-truth-and-justice-needs-our-help-after-her-release

    • http://! Angel Wannabe

      typo, it should’ve read “Lets see what progressive denounces this?”

      • Jay

        Angel, excellent link. Just more proof of the take over by design! Thanks for the link, I have bookmarked it and will be sure to pass it on.

        • Kate8

          Angel, Jay -

          Methinks we have no idea what’s up.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hLV2wdtc2s&NR=1

          For anyone who doubts HAARP, here is what to look for.

          I recommend watching the related videos as well, such as how to survive FEMA.

          Take it for what it’s worth, but don’t say no one warned.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            kate8, yeah were headed for trouble, but to what extent remains to be seen, like I said before, Id rather be prepared. If nothing happens then HUZZAH!__if it does, we’ll still be ready.

          • Jay

            Ah yes, HAARP, now why would the numb nuts build that machine? And why isn’t main stream media talking about it? Aren’t they supposed to be in the business of supplying us with information? Exposing what is hidden? Main stream media, what a JOKE!!!!

          • Kate8

            Jay and Angel – Did you see the video of the lights that flashed just prior to the HAARP-induced earthquakes? Amazing.

            It also shows photos of how the sky looks when one is in the offing.

            For those of you who don’t understand how HAARP works, it explains that, too.

      • Eddie47d

        Okay Angel you shouldn’t believe everything you hear. Mrs Jackson sounded reasonable and had important information but this is why I’m suspect. She brought up Bill Conklin’s name like she “learned” from him. He is one of the biggest tax scammers in the USA.He sometimes likes to call himself Rev Conklin and he cons folks all the time.I’m not sure if you want to be dragged into his vipers pit.

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          Links and proof please eddie, but I will still draw my own conclusions.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            eddie also its been proven time after time that those, involved with the Fed reserve are also a BIG part of the News Media who drives, ONLY THE INFO THE MASTERS WANT US TO HEAR. Anyone that denounces the legitimacy of the Fed. you can be damned sure, they find a way to shut them up or discredit them…aka, as you said about BC__I ask you, just WHO WAS IT, WHO DECIDED BILL CONKLIN WAS A FRAUD?__A reputable Liberal or Conservative???__do your own homework eddie, if you Libs are open minded as you claim, then stop believing the first Liberal article you read as truth, you digging yourself a deeper hole!

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            also eddie another thought_that those who seriously denounce opposing train of thoughts and information as ” Conspiracy Theory” are usually the ones who created or are somehow involved in it…keep your friends close & your enemies closer…

          • Dan az

            Hey Angel
            Good one!enough said.lol!

          • DaveH

            Don’t hold your breath, Angel.
            It’s easy for Eddie to make wild accusations. But not so easy to back them up.

          • eddie47d

            Look up Bill Conklin Dave H. and try searching out the truth for a change. You are such a crybaby and for sure I am not your babysitter.

          • DaveH

            Ignoramus,
            It is you who made the accusation. It is you who needs to back it up.
            Are you really so ignorant as to think I’m going to look for something that I can’t find?

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Eddie, why should I look the info up on Conklin, your the only one it seems to bother?_-Sides if he did something wrong, thats his problem_-__But as a skeptic, I also know Progressives well enough, that even if proof is provided to prove a point, you’d find a way around it, just to be right.

      • Carlucci

        Hey everyone, look at what is happening here in Big T. Thought everyone might want to see this:

        http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/05/13/texas-house-bans-offensive-security-pat-downs/

        • Dan az

          Hey carlucci
          If the feds override it just protest by eating allot of pickled eggs and cabbage and a whole lot of beans then let it rip!LOL!!!

        • DaveH

          Good for Texas.
          We could end the controversy right now, by getting Government out of our Marketplaces. Let the airlines decide what security measures to implement, and let the passengers decide which airlines to choose.
          I would pick the airline that allowed licensed passengers to carry on the plane. Yes, it might get bloody sometimes, but at least there wouldn’t be planes flying into buildings loaded with disarmed and helpless victims.
          Those wimps who are afraid of any possibility of danger could choose Cavity Search Airlines whose motto is “There is no place too dark for us to go”.

    • Christin

      Angel,

      Wow, that was an eye opener. Thanks for posting the site to view “IRS is a Fraud”. I will pass it on and share with others.

      Sherry Jackson said, “None of our taxes goes to pay for running the government.”

      I had heard something like this about the Taxes and the IRS years ago, but didn’t know what to make of it… and haven’t heard much again until now.

      No wonder the Congress doesn’t PAY their TAXES… they KNOW it is a FRAUD, too.

      It is up to us folks… write down the web-site and forward to those on your e-mail list and send the alert. We must UNITE …strength in numbers.

      • kodster5

        I exempted myself out of paying federal and state income taxes. Only taxes that come out of my paycheck is social security and medicare. Can’t get those to stop. My husband’s employer is a state legislator, and he doesn’t even deduct for federal and state income taxes out of my husband’s checks, and says he or his wife don’t pay them, either, and his wife is a CPA/attorney. If enough people stop paying into the scam, it will strangle the government even more. Think about this… the federal employees are supposedly paid out of private sector income taxes, right? Yet, they get federal and state income taxes deducted from their own paychecks? Who benefits from that? One big huge scam.

        • Christin

          kodster5,

          But what do you do when the IRS comes after you to PAY up???

          Seriously, what does one do???

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        Christian, David Icke has some good topics and he’s not afraid to say anything. I won’t I agree with all his topics of interest, but he goes forth unafraid too and thats what I like about him.

      • Carlucci

        The income tax is all about control. It does not support the infrastucture of the usa. The Grace Commission did a report for Ronald Reagan back in the eighties regarding where all the money goes from income taxes collected. Their findings said it went to pay off the INTEREST on the national debt – not the national debt itself.

        I met ex-IRS agents Sherry Peel Jackson and Joe Banister about ten years ago at a We the People event in D.C. They are both very courageous people who exposed their former employer for the colossal fraud that is the income tax. Mrs. Jackson was particularly gutsy and a breath of fresh air. If you can find it in your hearts to help her at this difficult time, I know she will understand that the time she served in federal prison wasn’t for nothing.

    • Wayne

      Angel Wannabe, I guess maybe we should just feel sorry for those who can’t see beyond their nose. Everyone was given a brain, and 5 senses. but it seems as if they were not given the ability to analyze bad situations very well. The Chinese money is about the only thing holding up our economy at the current time. If the Chinese would take this money away from us, this country would collapse. This is why China can get away with slapping us in the face. They are the banker and we are the fools.

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        I’m hearing ya wayne, after reading so much, and just in general watching what is going on around in our own economy, it doesn’t take a genius, to see, were in trouble. Just to what extent remains to be seen._-Anymore__ (some days it doesn’t work) but I try not to get too upset with the Liberal mindset, they’re eventually going to see the light, it’ll be they’re problem if they’re not prepared._-Quite honestly I’d rather be prepared and not need to be, than to be a fool…just sayin’…

    • Dan az

      Angel that was great.Now if we can all get together and demand that they answer those questions we might just get there.Ron paul has asking those questions and maybe this time we might get the answer that we have been waiting for.Its people like her that need to keep putting the word out and waking up the masses.Its time to take back this nation and start over.

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        Dan Az I don’t everything that Ron Paul stands for (such as legalizing drugs and prostitution)(I do however, get where he’s coming from) but I agree on his stance of going after the federal reserve, whole-hardedly!

        • DaveH

          Why do you care what somebody does to their own bodies and property?
          That is exactly why we’re in the mess we’re in right now. Too many busybodies concerning themselves with other peoples’ choices. If we want our Freedom to choose, then we must respect other peoples’ Freedom to choose.
          Please don’t make my post all my drug links, I’m feeling kind of lazy right now. But I will say that 4 times as many people die each year from Alcohol usage, and 25 times as many from tobacco usage. Is it really worth $15,000,000,000 a year to vainly try to stop the drug usage?

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Daveh, Why should a real problem be made worse by legality!__Ya need dealers to sell, if people are gonna do drugs___Are ya gonna let the dealers, deal, is that gonna be legal too? and when your not around, who’s gonna kick the dealers azz when they sell the stuff to your kid or grandchild???_-Are ya going to let the Pimps, pimp they’re wares too.__ and would ya like it if they’ did it near the school where your child goes everyday.__There is already a problem with human trafficking, would ya like your kids subjected to that?___Where would ya draw the line of what’s legal and whats not???__ We’d be sending the wrong message to the kids.__ Sorry Dave I don’t agree with ya on this one! This would be opening up a whole new set of problems< I get the why and where fors.___BUT like it or not, there is a difference between right and wrong. Making it legal won't change it._I ain't worried about YOUR or anybody elses rights, ya'll can do whatever ya want, I worry about the kids, bottom line!!!!

          • DaveH

            You do-gooders have caused more problems than existed before the Drug Wars were launched. I was in my mid-twenties when the drug wars started in earnest. I can tell you from experience that there were far fewer teens doing drugs before the drug wars than after the drug wars. Teens are rebellious by nature, and the drug warriors handed them a new tool to be rebellious with.
            About 90% of the drug-related crimes are a result of the high prices of drugs, which in turn are a result of the illegality of the drugs. We are enriching the worst segment of society (the drug lords) and as we all know — money is power. As an example when California tried to legalize Marijuana last year, there is strong evidence that illegal pot growers were contributing to the opposition. Why? Because they know that the secretive places they now grow wouldn’t stand a chance in competition with legal growers on fertile farm land, and they make big money now. Prices would plummet with legalization.
            Without the Drug Wars, most of the violence would cease, as there would no longer be a need to protect one’s turf with violence. Instead the legal growers would adjucate their cases in courts. Look at the mess we’ve created in Mexico with our misguided drug wars.
            And many innocent people get caught in the middle between the drug warriors and the drug lords. You have no idea how many raids are going on these days at a huge cost of taxpayer money and a huge cost to our Constitutional rights, not to mention the victims’ lives. See here for an interactive map on the misguided raids going on across the country:
            http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

          • DaveH

            Portuguese citizens had to endure all the same fear-mongering when they decided to do away with their Drug Criminalization laws, and guess what? Ten years later, the vast majority would not turn back the clock:
            http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10080

          • DaveH

            And you said, Angel, “BUT like it or not, there is a difference between right and wrong”. Says you. I think you’re very much endangering my life with your well-meaning but misguided drug laws. So, I think you are wrong. Maybe I should start lobbying to make laws to stop people like yourself.
            What people do with their own bodies and property are simply none of your business, and you are putting yourself in the position of being the trespasser.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Daveh, Question, Ya ever detox one of your kids from the very drugs you think should be legalized???__For example heroin??___Ya ever watchem when they can’t even hold a glass of water without shakin and sweatin?___Did they steal ya blind, and sell your house hold goods to get more stuff, so they stop shakin and sweatin__(and did ya ever have to go buy your stuff back, even when it was yours in the first place)?___How’s ’bout forgin’ checks, anybody’s checks, even churches??__Stealin cars?__I detoxed my daughter, 5 times in 4 years and then I had her arrested for stealing my dying dad’s car, WHY?__because I knew if I could get to her she’d be ok_-and I was right__ she’s just fine NOW!___F–K Legalizing drugs___….Until ya know what the hell your REALLY talking about….I’ll let ya to it then…enuff said…

          • DaveH

            Angel,
            My daughter hung out with guys and gals who dropped acid, and did many other drugs. She didn’t, because I just taught her well, and let her make her own decisions. She had nobody to rebel against, so she did her own thinking. Both of my best friends as young adults did drugs. I didn’t, because I thought for myself, as my parents gave me lots of rope. Many of the people that I worked with in a secured facility were doing Cocaine, Alcohol, and other drugs.
            Perhaps if you had not been so authoritarian, your daughter would have been better adjusted.
            It’s funny that you would tell me I don’t know what the hell I am talking about when I had no problem with my kids, yet you did.
            It’s kind of like when the Liberals tell me Free Markets caused our current problems when there have been no Free Markets.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            DaveH, None of this really sounds like Dave,(seems multiple personalities on the same IP were rampant yesterday, perhaps here too??)_ I’ll respond anyway.
            __ I’m not really sure why you got your panties in a bunch__but it sounds like I hit a nerve against your Favorite Prez pic Ron Paul?!__secondly, we can ALL respond to anything on here and no one would know if its truth or not._ with that being said__ The statement that you left your daughter decide for herself on drugs, doesn’t make you good parent Dave, which you obviously think you were, I’d say, you were lucky! If you had an “anything goes home” and it worked, I’m glad for your Daughter, but in my opinion, it was the luck of the draw and it had nothing to do, with what you did or didn’t do. Frankly, I’m sure you weren’t on your Daughters mind, while hanging out with druggies.
            We had rules to go by in our home, if you think that made me an Authoritarian, so be it_ lol.Sorry I gotta laugh about that one. Your making blind assumptions to win an argument, I get it and its all good.
            It makes no difference whether you agree with me or not on the drug and prostitution issue or Ron Paul, but you never answered my question__ and I’ll pose it again, If drugs and prostitution were legal across the board “Where are you going to draw the line OR WILL IT BE ANYTHING GOES?_Are the dealers & pimps gonna be allowed to deal on street corners? (they do now, unless they’re caught)_If legalized, How far would ya take it?_Perhaps allowing sales to children?_ Human trafficking?_ bestiality?__IN YOUR WORLD, WILL EVERYTHING VILE AND AND AGAINST THE LAWS OF GOD & NATURE,BE LEGAL, ALL UNDER THE NAME OF FREEDOM??(I realize your atheist, but I’m not!)__Ya Sound like ya want another Rome?!_… I’ll leave ya to YOUR ROME inside your own mind…discussion closed.

          • denniso

            I hate to say this,but I have to agree w/ DaveH…if repression and criminalization worked then prohibition of alcohol would have worked,but it didn’t. Same w/ prostitution,it has always existed and always will,unless we institute the hardest of police states,like say Iran,or Saudi Arabia. Most liberals favor legalization of drugs to get away from the horrendous enforcement problems we have as a result of the drug war,and realize that people will use drugs despite the laws and we should push for voluntary treatment. It’s also an issue of freedom,a word that Repubs often use but seldom act upon. For the gov’t to tell me that I can’t smoke or eat a weed is the height of absurdity. Tougher drugs become more problematic because they can be so harmful,but we should err on the side of freedom and liberty when possible.

  • http://yahoo sharon

    I know this, if we don’t get that jackel Obama out of the whitehouse were all doomed to live as muslims in a muslim world if they don’t murder us first. Obama is a muslim first and a communist second, and a want to be dictator first along with being a muslim lier and traitor. Getting that parasite our of the whitehouse must be our main goals, we are Americans, a free people if we don’t success getting Obama our that will be a thing of the past if any of us live to see it.

    • kodster5

      Sharon, we need to get Obama out, along with his entire administration, AND clean the entire Congress out, along with him. We also need to start over with the judicial system, as well. Granted, there are some that are good judges, congresspeople, etc., but they’re tainted by the system now. We need to clean house and just start anew.

  • Omawazzi

    I must agree that nearly all things in the U.S.A. seem to be in question and there appears to be much to be concerned about.
    This weak dollar has been coming at us for a quite a while now and it all started with Richard M. Nixon.

    Our dollar is no longer backed by Gold & Silver and is instead supposedly only worth what the Government says it is worth, but in truth is only paper that can easily become totally worthless.
    Nearly 4,000 paper currencies have come and gone in the history of civilization, ending up as nothing more than a heap of garbage in the currency graveyard.

    It is only a matter of time before a dollar collapse.
    I don’t know just when it will happen, but the American Dollar will also bite the dust, unless it somehow can return to a Gold Standard.
    Our forefathers understood that we should never go to a Fiat Money System, but for many years now our Government hasn’t paid them much attention.

    • Wayne

      Omawazzi, you can blame the indiots for voting in that type of Congress Member. Like I have said again, and again, if the American People would only watch, and study, their politicians half as much as they watched their favorite sports, we would all be better off economically than we are now. We all know this has been going on now for many, many years. Look at Charlie Rangel, a man who wrote the rules and regulations and head of the tax dept. He did not pay his own taxes. He gets a slap on the wrist, gets voted back in office again for a full term. Does this tell you something about the minset of the people electorate? It tells that the American electorate is a bunch of fools.

  • Joe Stinks

    You are all crazy! Nothing is going to happen, relax, go out buy a new Playstation 3 and enjoy…NTW (Not to Worry) life is good, gold cost way to much anyway.

    • http://! Angel Wannabe

      JS, your either a fool or a liar….whateva!

    • Raggs

      I smell ya dude….

  • Judy

    So, if we are supposed to buy gold, where do you buy it?? So many commercials, so little time. And, once you have it and times get really bad, how do you keep it safe once someone finds out that you have it?? I don’t believe I’d be alive very long!

  • karolyn

    Just saw apiece the other day about jobs coming back from China because the Chinese wages and the cost of shipping are going up. Here’s a short blog by an economist that seems to agree.
    http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2011/03/manufacturing-at-home-makes-more-sense.html

    • Raggs

      Yeah a brand new widget factory in detroit….

    • kodster5

      Karolyn, yes, the jobs are starting to return… but it’s too little, too late. Thanks to the tax level here in the US, capitalism ended up escaping overseas, to the detriment of this country’s economy. That’s why we don’t have enough jobs to employ the unemployed here. There are not enough jobs for the number of people looking for work, because they were all shipped overseas! This should have never happened, but the companies were trying to find ways to cut costs, thanks to being taxed to death by the federal and state governments, all wanting for a bigger and bigger piece of the pie, to help pay for themselves. No one wants to heed that the biggest chunk of that $4+ gallon of gas is predominantly TAXES that we pay. At the most, it is only .80 cents for that gallon of gas to produce and deliver to the gas stations for our consumption… the rest is the taxes that the state and federal governments impose! So, for you progressives out there that blame “capitalism” as the cause and source of all evil, better guess again.

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        kodster 5, I Don’t know if you were on here, back when I said I did this__ but about a year ago, I did extensive research on our own local economy. I wanted to know how many Industrial and Manufacturing companies left in the last 30 years. ANSWER, 21!__First reason for closing, Union not willing to negotiate reasonable terms, second EPA, Tax & Regulation, 3rd Owner Deaths, mis-management, and inept hiring of replacement CEOS!

      • Eddie47d

        On average gasoline taxes in USA 45.9-48cents for local,state and federal.Federal by itself is and has been 18.6% for several years.

        • denniso

          Good response Eddie…Kodster presents a lie and you have simply presented the truth. The oil industry has been making historic profits
          as the price rises to $4/gal,yet the rightwing wants to blame taxes for the rise. Taxes on gas pay for the jobs of roadbuilders to keep the highway system functional,w/o which the gas wouldn’t do us much good,and the poor oil companies wouldn’t be selling much of anything,hence no billions in profit to be made.

          • Raggs

            Bull!!!! the printing of fiat money did this!!!

          • kodster5

            Uh-huh, Dennis… and the dollars for the stimulus bill for those road builders? Where did THAT come from? The generosity of the oil companies? NOPE! That came from the taxes that the federal government imposes on that gallon of gas we purchase, in order to build those roads. The oil is just another means to tax the masses.

        • kodster5

          Oh, really, Eddie? Then explain why the feds want to tack on another 15 cents a gallon, on top of what they’ve already got on it? And that’s just since the first of THIS month!

          • Raggs

            Yeah and wait til they want a tax one every freakin mile we drive…

          • eddie47d

            That hasn’t been done and you still lied big time in your earlier comment. No Shame in your shell game of words.

        • DaveH

          The dreaded oil companies make about 8 cents profit on each gallon of gas, and the Governments make about 50 cents profit on each gallon of gasoline. What is wrong with that picture?
          http://mises.org/daily/5111/What-Can-We-Do-about-Gasoline-Prices

  • Raggs

    This government has everyone in this country scared of their own shadow… And that is exactly where they want you!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • denniso

      Did you read the article here? The fear factor is not coming from the gov’t but rather from sites like this. The gov’t has been trying to calm the country’s fear over the economy for the past 3 yrs,so we can get consumption up again and get back to normal. The survivalist food and equipment sellers,the gold pushers and more private interests are the ones pushing fear for their own benefit…don’t forget the churches that always have a vested interest in promoting fear of the future.

      • Raggs

        I would have thought that you may have learned something ( of the truth )by now…

      • karolyn

        A very logical assertion, denniso!

        • Raggs

          You wouldn’t know logic if it hit you in the A**

          • karolyn

            It’s very logical, Raggs, that the more you focus on “gloom and doom,” the more likely it is to come to fruition. I am an extremely logical person.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Karolyn, The good Lord say’s ” so a man thinks, so he is”, but his word also says, “those with eyes to see and ears to hear”. Trouble will come, acting like it won’t, won’t change it. But Being prepared and prayerfully unafraid will get us through.

          • Jay

            Karolyn, you’re statement was very illogical!

          • Jay

            Raggs says: You wouldn’t know logic if it hit you in the A**

            Would that give her a fat lip?

        • Wayne937

          Ha! that’s a funny statement, Karo.

        • Jay

          An assertion is rarely logical, its usually no more then a biased opinion!

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        Man o Man denniso, you swallowed that Progressive Jargon Bait, Hook, Line and Sinker! The GUV & they’re News Media, looove folks like you, your gullible as hell!

        • Raggs

          Don’t forget about the boat she rowed in on… she eat that too.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Raggs__ and much like the utopic world the Progressives imagine, if/when london bridge does crash, let imagine that boat is a hot dog, since they don’t belive believe anythings wrong here, I doubt they’ll have any food stores.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        Why did Norway create the worlds largest seed bank?
        Did you see the show on the Discovery Channel, History Channel, & the National Geographic channel about these wealth people buying survival homes 10 stories underground?

        You may have some validity that the Govt may be trying to calm fears…by not being open & honest..and in some ways the Govt may damned if they do and damned if they dont tell us everything. But by Charter, OUR Goverment Leaders need to tell us the TRUTH, period-End of discussion.
        There is too much evidence to validate the crash, and not much is NOT coming from either the LEFT or the RIGHT! This information is coming from trends researchers, private financial investors, investmet forms NOT colluded with the GOVT. 2-3 years ago I was warned and have been increasing my independence in every facet possible. I dont forsee a “Mad-max” world…exactly..but I believe things are going to get tough, real TOUGH.

        Ever wonder how many years Noah took to build the ARK? Over 100 years…think of how much ridicule he endured, and how many times he wondered if he was right…let the scoffers be scoffed.

        • denniso

          If you believe that Noah built an ark over 100 yrs and he took 2 of all animals on board,then you belong in kindergarden,not in a discussion w/ adults.

          • Jay

            Prove him wrong denniso!!!

          • Jay

            While routinely examining aerial photos of his country, a Turkish army captain suddenly gaped at a picture… There, on a mountain 20 miles south of Mt. Ararat, the biblical landfall of Noah’s Ark, was a boat-shaped form about 500-515 feet long. The captain passed on the word.

            Soon an expedition including American scientists set out for the site.

At 7,000 feet, in the midst of crevasses and landslide debris, the explorers found a clear, grassy area shaped like a ship and rimmed with steep, packed-earth sides. Its dimensions are close to those given in Genesis: ‘The length of the ark shall be 300 cubits, the breadth of it 50 cubits, and the height of it 30 cubits,’ that is, 450x75x45 feet. A quick two-day survey was made. A scientist in the group says “a ship-like object that has almost unbroken symmetry.”

            http://www.squidoo.com/noahsarkfound

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            denniso, you libs don’t believe in anything you can’t see or touch, do ya?___C’mon Einstein, Care to explain why our streams, creeks and rivers don’t freeze all the way to the bottom, lest the fish and other aquatic animals would die?__Is it relative?__Do the waters of the earth have a mind to think?

          • denniso

            Streams and rivers don’t freeze all the way down? And what’s your explanation for that? Tell me,is it god’s plan? Is that your point,that we can’t know everything so god has to come into play?

            I’ll wait for your explanation.

          • Jay

            Oh Oh, we have another God-hating liberal!

          • Bitter Libertarian

            You are an uninformed fool, as I was once. I doubted the Bible until I found out one very Key important FACT; The TORAH was written with a security Code. This particular security system prevents tampering, and modern mathameticians, scholars & even scientists all agree that this isNOT an accident, and would take a huge amount of Time & resources to replicate. Its an interlocking code of 7. There are no less then 42,000 factors of 7 in the Torah. A brief explanation is the number of generations, nouns, pronouns, mens names, womens names, cities names, on and onm and on.. is all divisable by 7. Not an accident and those who are presented with these facts usually knowledgable men & women walk away with a profound deeper respect for the Books author.
            basically they agree that it would take a person, or even several persons over a thousand years working with computers to be able to fabricate a replica of this kind of detail to prove it “just a story book” created to “manipulate the masses”.
            So your free to disbelieve..but you have no right to mock when you yourself cannot dispute these facts.

          • Kate8

            B L – The Bible tells us that to those who have no understanding, it will read as “so much foolishness”. Unless one reads it with the Presence of the Holy Spirit, one cannot begin to comprehend any part of it. It takes much prayer, study and devotion in order that the true meaning reveals to us.

            It is so cool that we live in the time when the codes are being unlocked. Even so, to those who don’t know the Holy Spirit, they still won’t understand, and will continue to mock, deride and even persecute.

            As Christ put it, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do”.

          • denniso

            So the Torah was written w/ a security code and streams don’t freeze solid and kill the fish because God wants it that way? All this code stuff is m baloney and steams can of course freeze solid and kill the fish. Just so Angel knows, when streams don’t freeze solid it’s because of the insulating nature of the layer of ice on top,as well as the relative warmth of the ground under the water…it’s also the fact that the water is moving and that helps it not freeze. The larger and deeper and faster a stream/river is the less likely it will freeze solid.
            I don’t want to be mean,but if you people would keep your quaint religious ideas out of the political and public arena and stick to facts and information,it would be easier to take you seriously,and you might be productive in helping our country function,rather than a weight around the neck of a healthy and vibrant society.

      • Carlucci

        denniso, it does not take a rocket scientist to understand that the times and life are changing here in America. It is as plain as the nose on your face. So you are saying that prices aren’t rising at the grocery store and fuel pump? Every time I go either place, I’m paying more and I don’t think it is my imagination.

        If you and others don’t like the postings on this blog, by all means feel free to go somewhere else – like HuffPo.

        • denniso

          And if you don’t like my comments or others like mine,then you can just as well get off the site,correct? You think,like others of your type,that because there are more rightwingers here no one else has the right to be here. Dumb thought…and are food and energy going up?
          Of course they are,because oil prices have doubled in a year in our glorious ‘free market’,and they drive up costs for just about everything else. Don’t be bitter though,your oil buddies are doing very well these days…largest profits in history to go w/ huge multi million $ salaries for the fat cats.

          • Jay

            Left wingers, right wingers, don’t forget wing-nuts denniso!

          • Isaac Davis

            What part of “suspicious” well blowout in the Gulf, followed by moron-based moratorium on offshore exploration, followed by lifted moratorium after all the drilling rigs have followed money to other ventures, followed by no oil leases being permitted by said moron-based gov’t, all while debasing the dollar @ 20 BILLION per week with QE2 and petroleum is sold on the world market in dollars per barrel while said moron-based gov’t continues to eradicate value of dollar by printing 20 BILLION per week do you not quite grasp here? Oh, yeah, Bush did it. Sorry, I forgot some of you kook-aid sucking lemmings continue to aspirate.

        • Mary

          Well. Since I’ve been reading this blog and I see how the world is burning, it’s clear nothing good is coming in the near future. There are few things we can do for ourselves:
          1. Have cash on hand.
          2. Water and food.
          3. Be armed.
          4. Learn Spanish.
          My fortune cookie says. Hope for the best, prepared for the worst.

      • JC

        denniso says:

        May 16, 2011 at 12:53 pm

        Did you read the article here? The fear factor is not coming from the gov’t but rather from sites like this
        ________________________________________________________________
        I see. So the rapacious and wasteful taxation, the attacks on christianity and family values, the dumbing down of Americans through the school system, the unchecked foreign invasion on our southern border, our kids dying in useless forteign wars, watchlists, no fly lists, no habeus corpus, surveillance on every level, attacks on our 2nd amendment, sponsoring murder on the southern border, TSA, BATFE, the CIA, DoHS….and on and on and on….

        No there’s nothing to be afraid of…just a couple of paranoid delusional people on a liberty web site have got the whole nation uptight.

        Denniso, you really are a prize winning moron.

        Have a nice day…in the fog.

        • JAnne

          Pay no attention to the disinformation agents like DennisO

      • Jay

        denniso, have you been drinking?

        • Carlucci

          sounds more like denniso has been hitting the vodka and xanax.

      • DaveH

        Brother. You are one misguided guy, Denniso.
        Denniso says “The gov’t has been trying to calm the country’s fear over the economy for the past 3 yrs,so we can get consumption up again and get back to normal. The survivalist food and equipment sellers,the gold pushers and more private interests are the ones pushing fear for their own benefit…don’t forget the churches that always have a vested interest in promoting fear of the future”.
        That was such an ignorant statement, that I wouldn’t expect even Denniso to make it. So the people that sell survivalist food and equipment, and gold, aren’t part of our economy? And then you blame the churches, Denniso?
        There is one reason only for our current economic mess, and it is Big Government. Government meddling costs money, directly through Government Spending, and indirectly through lost productivity due to the regulatory hoops that companies must jump through instead of using that money and time to produce more product. Governments don’t create wealth, they consume it, and big time! In 1950 our Governments (state and federal) consumed 20% of the GDP. Now they consume 40% of the GDP.

        Get consumption up? That’s what Denniso thinks is the answer? If we consumed everything, it wouldn’t be long before there was nothing left to consume. But that’s how ignoramuses like Denniso think. That’s what leads to societies like Cuba or North Korea. What makes a robust economy is capital investment. Buying things like machine tools and productive robotics to build products faster and cheaper. But thanks to Liberals like Denniso, Government is taxing away the money that the wealthy might have invested in capital goods, and instead consuming that wealth.
        Read this to get smarter than Denniso (not very challenging):
        http://mises.org/daily/5277/When-Capital-Is-Nowhere-in-View

        • denniso

          ‘Capital investment’? To produce more machines and robotics so we can produce more products more efficiently? And w/o consumption,pray tell,who buys the products that these new machines will produce? Anyone who knows anything about economics and our system knows that consummer spending accounts for 2/3 of the economy. Like it or not,we have an economy based on consumption. Is it too large a fraction of the economy? Probably,but it’s the way it’s been for 50 yrs and we can’t change it overnight or ever.

          We are paying taxes in the same amount collectively as we did in the 50′s,so how is it that we are over taxed? The 50′s,like the 90′s, was a major boom period. So if we are over taxed and it’s hurting the economy, then wouldn’t the same thing apply to the 50′s,when instead we had a booming economy. We are hardly over taxed,and the rich are obviously under taxed.

          Keep hurling insults DaveH,boy genius…

          • DaveH

            The world is full of countries who have bought into your Liberal Siren Song. And they are all failures.
            You’re right, I shouldn’t just call you ignorant, because that is an insult to ignorant people.

          • DaveH

            Somebody has to actually do the work to create the products that you ignorant Liberals just want to consume. Feed me, Clothe me, Shelter me, give me Free health care, wah, wah, wah.
            Liberals are pathetic.

          • DaveH

            Oh, and the rocket scientist made this statement:
            “We are paying taxes in the same amount collectively as we did in the 50′s,so how is it that we are over taxed?”
            What? Were you born in a bubble, Dumniso? Government spent 23% of GDP in 1950. They spend 40% now. You call that the same amount?
            Have you no shame to just pull figures out of your rear with no references whatever?
            Here’s mine:
            http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_20th_century_chart.html

            Dishonest Liberals make me ill.

          • Jay

            Definition of a Liberal or What God thinks of liberals

            God himself gave the definition of a liberal when he said in an Old Testament prophecy, “The vile person shall be no more called liberal.” He was speaking of a time to come when vile people will no longer be allowed to hide behind the label of liberal–thinking themselves sophisticated and modern and open minded. But they will be shown for what they really are–vile.

            Isaiah 32:5-8
5. The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful. 6. For the vile person will speak villainy, and his heart will work iniquity, to practice hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail  7. The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right. 8. But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.

            The word Liberal by itself when looked up in dictionaries has mostly a desirable definition. But the scripture is clear that vile people are being referred to as liberal.  God said there would come a time when the vile would no more be called liberal. This shows that right now vile people are being called liberal and God says he will stop this practice some time in the future.  He also said the churl (rude and stingy) are being called bountiful.

            There is another scripture in Isaiah 5:20 that addresses this.  It says, “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!”

            In Isaiah 32:8 (quoted above) it says  “But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.”  He is saying that the truly liberal or noble person will do truly noble things and stand.  You only have to examine the behavior of the liberals today to see that they are not noble or princely.  They are the people who want abortion on demand which is gruesome and horrid–not noble.  So we know the scripture is true that vile people are being called liberal.
            Some English Definitions:

            Liberal – marked by generosity; given or provided in a generous and openhanded way; broadminded; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms.  Also: lacking moral restraint, licentious 

            Vile – Morally base, shamefully wicked, despicable, vicious, loathsome, disgusting.

            Villainy – Conduct characteristic of a villain.


            From Strong’s Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries by James Strong

            H5081  Liberal
            áéã›ðˆ
            naòdŒòyb
            naw-deeb’
            From H5068; properly voluntary, that is, generous; hence, magnanimous; as noun, a grandee (sometimes a tyrant):—translated to English as–free, liberal (things), noble, prince, willing ([hearted]).

            H5036  Vile
            ìá˜ðˆ
            naòbaòl
            naw-bawl’
            From H5034; stupid; wicked (especially impious):—translated to English as–fool, foolish, foolish man, foolish woman, vile person.


            The next time you hear anyone is a liberal, show them Isaiah 32:5 and tell them, “This is what God thinks of liberals.”

            Do not think that this page is an endorsement of the deeds of the so called “conservatives.”  I am not playing politics here.   Politics has descended to the level of gang warfare with political parties being the gangs involved.

            I keep hearing the word freedom, but there seems to be less freedom.  Democracy in some nations has become nothing more than the slaves getting to choose and vote for their slave masters.

             http://www.repentnow.com/liberal.htm

          • denniso

            Look at the life of Jesus and tell me he wasn’t a liberal..You quote the old testament using the word liberal,the word was not in use then and if your quote is accurate it is obviously from a new translation,using modern words and concepts and an attempt at smearing those who are not ‘conservatives’. Instead I think you just made it up to be a jerk.

            Besides,the bible was written by ignorant men w/ little education or knowledge and very little worldly view.

          • libertytrain

            you are always so knowledgeable. You know Jesus and who He was yet you profess not to believe that He was; and your decisions as to who the people were that wrote the Bible is also fascinating. I wasn’t there. I don’t know but you do. Good for you.

          • denniso

            DaveH like to toss out numbers w/ no relevance to much of anything. Now, calm down Dave, and realize that every one here is not as clueless as you think.

            The Federal budget is roughly $3.7 trillion,and the gdp is about $15 trillion,which gives you a percentage of about 25%. If Dave wants to throw in states spending then that of course is different,and every state has different spending levels.

            All you have to do is look at tax rates to know that we are paying less of our incomes in Federal taxes,even the rich. Their rates are the lowest in half a century or more.

            Go ahead Dave,math major who made yout living off of gov’t subsidized work,toss some more insults at me. You still haven’t figured out that I don’t cringe and run away at your bad behavior,so you waste your breath doing it. I wonder how physically unimposing you are,given your school yard bully tactics? Let me guess…

          • Jay

            Look at the life of Jesus and tell me he wasn’t a liberal..

            Jay: If you knew what you were talking about you would know that Jesus/God is transcendent! He does not fall into any man-made labels!

            You quote the old testament using the word liberal,the word was not in use then and if your quote is accurate it is obviously from a new translation,using modern words and concepts and an attempt at smearing those who are not ‘conservatives’.

            Jay: Well if its from a new translation, which it is, using modern words and concept, then its logical to conclude that, generous, which is in the original, is synonyms with liberal!

            Instead I think you just made it up to be a jerk.

            Jay: No, I didn’t just make it up, I provided the link!

            Besides,the bible was written by ignorant men w/ little education or knowledge and very little worldly view.

            Jay: How would you know? Since its obvious you never read it. Your anti-God indoctrination you received while you sojourned within the halls of higher education is undeniable. Can anything you say then, regarding religious matters, be considered original and coming from you, or should we consider it a by-product of your indoctrination?

          • Jay

            denniso says: I wonder how physically unimposing you are,given your school yard bully tactics? Let me guess…

            Well, it sounds like you are not physically imposing, denniso, and having been obviously bullied by the school yard bullies, you still retain and have opted to play the victim card! Interesting!!! As for your guessing, judging from your posts, you are quite the expert at guessing!

          • denniso

            Tyr not insulting me for one round of comments,and maybe you’ll understand what I’m saying.

            I say the the Bible was written by ignorant men because everyone back then was ignorant of most of the world,science,human psychology,the cosmos,physics,biology…I have said that the writers,who were just men and not divine,were certainly smarter and better educated than most,but they essentially knew nothing of the world and universe…simple. The same is true for every ‘thinker’ in human history until fairly recent times,as they didn’t have the information and knowledge we have today and that an average 5th grader has now.

            I grew up on the Bible…it is very clear that Jesus,if he existed,would be considered a liberal by our current definition. Non violent,disdains wealth,helps the poor,stops stonings of women. If you people weren’t so stuck in your rut you it would be absolutely clear who Jesus would prefer to hang out with,and it wouldn’t be Newt or Mitt,ot Trump or Palin.

          • Jay

            I don’t have to insult you denniso, you do that all by yourself, every time you open your trap!

            denniso says:I say the the Bible was written by ignorant men because everyone back then was ignorant of most of the world,science,human psychology,the cosmos,physics,biology…I have said that the writers,who were just men and not divine,were certainly smarter and better educated than most,but they essentially knew nothing of the world and universe…simple. The same is true for every ‘thinker’ in human history until fairly recent times,as they didn’t have the information and knowledge we have today and that an average 5th grader has now.

            I disagree, they were in fact of higher intellectual stock then most professors of our age, educated dumb bells that they are, regardless of discipline. Also, they were not as arrogant as most of our intellectual generation are today, who are, forever learning, understanding nothing!!! And you are certainly among them, as you incapable of distinguishing between truth, information and knowledge and how to correctly apply all three! But how could you know, since you were never taught. Speaking of science, physics and biology, I would be most interested in hearing your assessment in regards to mr. Darwin. Funny you haven’t mentioned him, embarrassed?

            denniso says:I grew up on the Bible…it is very clear that Jesus,if he existed,would be considered a liberal by our current definition. Non violent,disdains wealth,helps the poor,stops stonings of women. If you people weren’t so stuck in your rut you it would be absolutely clear who Jesus would prefer to hang out with,and it wouldn’t be Newt or Mitt,ot Trump or Palin.

            Again, you proclaim your ignorance concerning the Bible, since Jesus came to saves us from our sinful nature and to give us eternal life, not to hang out with either one or another group. Why don’t you just admit you have no idea of what you speak?

          • Kate8

            Jay, While the OT doesn’t specifically use the word “liberal”, it is the equivalent.

            Don’t forget Ecc. 10. Actually, 10:2 says, “The heart of the wise leans to the right, the fool to the left…”

            Pretty clear, I’d say.

          • Jay

            Kate8, the new translation seems to indicate just that.

          • denniso

            OK Biblical scholars…right and left never had anything to do w/ political positions until fairly recent times. Righthanded was,and still is mostly,considered to be superior to lefthanded simply because it is the most common. A soldier uses his right hand in battle mostly because most are righthanded.

            What a ridiculous statement to make,that the bIble says God prefers rightwing politics! Come on,show some intellect.

          • denniso

            And Jay,as far as being physically unimposing…that comment was to the boy genius DaveH,not you. But, I don’t think I would worry about you face to face. I dealt just fine w/ bullies back in school and I still do if they’re dumb enough to play the game. You and DaveH sound like school yard bullies,thinking that we are still there and that your stupid insults and words can possibly have any impact on another person,let alone me.Try using your mind,what you may have of one,and leave the bullying to kids in school.

          • Kate8

            I think not, denniso. There were conservative and liberal ideological leanings in those days, just as there are now. Things haven’t changed all that much, really.

            The “right” refers to common sense, a good grasp of right and wrong, truth and untruth, and traditional values as laid down by God. It also refers to matters of the spirit.

            The “left”, as it always has, refers to those who put foolish idealism over common sense, and who put no stock in tradition. It is also focused on matters of the flesh and short-term gratification. Thus, they are referred to as “foolish”.

            Yeshua sits at the “right” hand of God. Scripture is very specific about this. We connect with spirit through the “right” brain, or subconscious.

            The “left” path is the physical path; left-brain is analytical, “rational”, limited thinking. It is the manifest world, which denies the laws of spirit, and is all about indulging the physical being and satisfying the desires and lusts of the flesh.

            The Bible’s authors were well aware of the meaning of right and left.

          • Jay

            denniso, if you can’t take it then don’t dish it out! I’ve seen you viscously attack bloggers, who’s opinion I respect, just for stating their take on various issues discussed. If you don’t agree, then simply say so, but spare them your personal attacks, insults and rude remarks, and all, with the intent to emotionally injure! Can you do that?

          • Jay

            Hmm..Kate8, interesting insight! Certainly worth pondering.

          • denniso

            The bible’s writers knew absolutely nothing about the right or left brain…are you joking? That is relatively new science,as you should know. The right hand of god? Sure,righthandedness was considered correct and lefthanded was inferior. People shake hands w/ the right hand,salute w/ the right hand and so on.

            Jay,it looks like you are the one who can’t take it. You toss blunt insults at me and then can’t handle it if I respond. Don’t trash me and I’ll return the favor. If I or anyone uses sarcasm or facetiousness in a comment,surely we can all deal w/ that. Direct name calling is a bit different and most all of the rightwingers here do that all the time. You want to talk like that then don’t whine about getting a tough response.

          • Jay

            denniso says: The bible’s writers knew absolutely nothing about the right or left brain…are you joking?

            Perhaps, but the One who did create the brain, and the One who wrote the Scriptures, through man, certainly knew about the right or left brain, after all, He created it, and man, off-course, eventually discovered it! yeahh for man, woohoo!!!

            denniso says:That is relatively new science,as you should know. The right hand of god? Sure,righthandedness was considered correct and lefthanded was inferior. People shake hands w/ the right hand,salute w/ the right hand and so on.

            People also wipe their rear end with their left hand, just thought I would mention that, in that, that, may have something to do with why people shake hands with their right hand!

          • denniso

            How old are you? You sound like a vulgar teenager. Some intellect you show us all w/ comments like that.

            You never said if you have any education beyond high school…it doesn’t sound like you do.

          • denniso

            You won’t answer the question? What kind of education do you have? You asked me,I told you,but you won’t disclose your education.

  • Jay

    A Warning to America: Geert Wilders in Nashville, Tennessee 5/12/11
    Family Security Matters 16 May 2011
By Andrew Bostom

    Dutch Parliamentarian Geert Wilders gave a speech last evening in Nashville at the Cornerstone Church, reproduced, below.

    James Freeman Clarke (1810-1888), was an American theologian, philosopher, author, and abolitionist. He also became one of the first American scholars to study and write about Eastern religions, including, notably, Islam. Freeman Clarke’s 1883 “Ten Great Religions,” includes this remarkably compendious assessment of Islam—a most fitting introduction to Wilders speech:
    The religion of Mohammed is the exact opposite to that of Greece. If the Greek faith was inspired by humanity, variety, and freedom, that of Islam taught unity, submission, and the absolute sovereignty of one God. Every Mohammedan was the servant of the one true God, and his mission was to convert the world to Allah and to his prophet.

    Islam saw God, but not man; saw the claims of deity, not the rights of humanity; saw authority, failed to see freedom,—therefore hardened into despotism…
    Speech by Geert Wilders, Cornerstone Church, Nashville, 12 May 2011
    Dear friends from Tennessee. I am very happy to be in your midst today. I am happy and proud to be in this impressive church.

    My friends, I am here to speak words of truth and freedom.
    Do you know why America is in a better state than Europe? Because you enjoy more freedom than Europeans.

    And do you know why Americans enjoy more freedom than Europeans? Because you are still allowed to tell the truth.

    In Europe and Canada people are dragged to court for telling the truth about islam.
    I, too, have been dragged to court. I am an elected member of the house of representatives in the Netherlands. I am currently standing in court like a common criminal for saying that islam is a dangerous totalitarian ideology rather than a religion.

    The court case is still pending, but I risk a jail sentence of 16 months.
    Last week, my friend Lars Hedegaard, a journalist from Denmark, was fined because in a private conservation, which was recorded without his knowing, he had criticised the way women are treated in islamic societies.

    Recently, another friend, Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff, a human rights activist from Austria, was fined because she had criticised islam’s founder Muhammad. She had said that Muhammad was a pedophile because he had married a 6-year old girl and raped her when she was 9.

    Unfortunately, there are many similar cases.
    I am especially happy to be in your midst because here I can say what I want to say without having to fear that I will be dragged to court upon leaving this church.

    My dear American friends, you cannot imagine how we envy your First Amendment. The day when America follows the example of Europe and Canada and introduces so-called “hate speech crimes” which is only used to punish people who are critical of islam, that day America will have lost its freedom.

    My friends, let us hope that this never happens.

    http://europenews.dk/en/node/43312

  • http://com i41

    Should have printed in every paper and and put on TV. may send copies to every Congress smuck, and one in big print to the niggardly muslim the WH. We would all find out how is the PCed peverts in America, plus a colleges whould have this posted in all buildings, and watch the sand n—er muslims wig out and freak, when the facts about the Mohammed pedophile pervert goat abuser.

  • Kate8
  • FreedomFighter

    This is a constructed situation being used to rob Americans of natural resources, land, water and sea.

    The goverment has been buying up land – unconstitutional, the progressive/liberal communists/Marxist destroy the economy with entitlements, then they will sell off resources to … thier favorite evil entities – themselves.

    Theft on a grand scale, theft from Americans, and future Americans.

    Stop the rape of America by the socialist/progressive, liberal communists.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • Kate8
  • Kate8

    Have we lost all concept of personal sovereignty? The elites cannot succeed without our compliance. They must trick us into freely and willingly going along with them.

    http://dprogram.net/2011/01/29/adrian-salbuchi-your-free-will-the-global-power-elites-achilles-heel/

    • Antonio

      Hey Kate8 how are you these days? Well i just wanted to reply to something you said. It will not be about tricking the people. Its all about creating a world wide economic crisis. When that happens the people will have no choice but to succumb to them. Its all a very well planned and organized event. You all live in a staged world. THEY already know what is to happen with you all. The creation of paper money was designed for this reason. To create inflation and economic disasters. Before 1913 we never had inflation, but then they created paper money and ever since then we have had constant wars and constant inflation and constant economic problems and it was all staged and meant to be this way. Without paper money they would not be able to fund these wars, there would not be economic problems and there would not be inflation.
      Yes indeed we are headed for the greatest colapse of all time. The crash of the dollar soon to be. Food shortages and with that food rioting. Civil wars around the globe, and world wide martial law. And for those like denniso and karolyn who dont believe what is to take place very soon indeed will be wiped out the very first day. Truely sad but millions are they same. They better enjoy those food stamps while they last!!!

      • Kate8

        Antonio – So true. I might add, though, that the monetary collapse is just one aspect of the war on humanity being waged by the elite.

        Pretty soon, starvation will be just another of a long list of atrocities these evildoers have in store for us.

        It is now one crisis after another, in rapid fire.

        BTW, Adrian Salbuchi (on the videos) predicted that a major nuclear “accident” would be staged in March. Gee, he was right.

        Salbuchi is promoting a worldwide resistance to the NWO, from his home in Argentina. He has really good ideas, and understands that the war is being waged for our minds.

        • Antonio

          Yes world starvation soon to be. And it has already been spoken of. MATTHEW 24. A nuclear strike soon to be as well so as to futher depopulate the world REVELATION 9. It is hard to when and what cities they will hit, but its most definiately coming! However, I am guessing it will take place probably sometime in 2013 after the planet line-up.Have you enjoyed my videos? Are you following the sun and venus thing?

          • Kate8

            Antonio – I’ve had other things to do, and I’ve needed to try to stay away from my computer for a few days.

            I know that time is short, and so tomorrow I plan to get back to it.

          • denniso

            I wonder if Antonio knows that we have had starvation around the world
            for decades…people starve to death every day. Maybe if we didn’t have millions of americans stocking their basements w/ dry food and gold we could actually feed the hungry,like Jesus would suggest.

          • Antonio

            I wonder if Denniso knows the difference between world starvation and starvation around the world in a few different countries.
            I wonder if Denniso knows that many of those people starve eventhough there are thousands of cows but cannot eat them because of their religion.
            I wonder if Denniso knows that the U.S. has given tons of money AND food to those countries that starve, and i wonder if Denniso knows that their governments keep that food and that money for their select few.
            I wonder if Denniso knows that private donators also give food to those people.
            In fact I wonder If Denniso knows anything.

          • denniso

            You are predicting world wide starvation and a nuclear holocaust…you should know that every generation of humans has done the same for eons,and behold,no such end of the world has happened. Can such things occur in the future? Sure,but no one knows if and when and how…not the bible,not the astrologers,not the priests. For you to pretend that you know is just disingenuous.

          • Jay

            Antonio, you are correct, the Bible predicts that in the end times famine will play a contributing role in the decimation of the world’s population, as well, nuclear, war, pestilence, massacres, rampant crime, natural disasters, and off course, state sanctioned euthanasia!

            Although these have occurred throughout history, with the exception of nuclear, Japan, they are, and will, increase in intensity just as we are witnessing!!! For those who don’t believe and express a vehement hatred for God and the Bible, will off course disagree and mock. But scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.

          • denniso

            The bible does no such thing,predicting nuclear war…that’s absurd. No one had any idea about nuclear bombs 2000 yrs ago,not even close.

            SO, you interpret the phrase,’the fire next time’ as a prediction of nuclear war? You are being ridiculous!

            If I write a book that predicts the world becoming a new garden of eden,the budget balanced,peace on earth and good will to all,will you cite my words as the TRUTH,because they are in a book? You people read one book and think that all truth lies in it. Why wasn’t the book written 20,000,or 100,000 yrs ago? Why did your god not speak to earlier humans and set them straight? Oh yeah,your book says the world is only 6,000 yrs old,in defiance of all science. If that were true,why not send Jesus and write the book 4,000 yrs ago?

          • Antonio

            Denniso i have provided the place to read in the bible REVELATION 9 specifically tells you that they will decrease the world population by a third. There is really only one way you can actually do that, and yes that is a nuclear strike. Yes God knew about this 2000 years ago. The truth is there. But like the bible tells. “seek and ye shall find”

          • Jay

            Antonio, research UN policies on population control. Their numbers suggest a desire to decrease current population to the same level as written in the Holy Scriptures. Coincidence? BTW, don’t waste anymore time on Mr. Evolution, he can’t hear you. Don’t cast your pearls before swine!

          • denniso

            I ask you serious questions about the bible/god,and you can’t/won’t answer. One more…what is it that convinces you beyond any shadow of a doubt that the bible is the word of god? Is it because the book says so itself? I’d like to know how you come to that firm belief.

          • Antonio

            OK Denniso hers the thing, Jay has already answered that question in last weeks commenting between us 3. Anyways, I know it is hard to believe ok i understand that, because i too spent a period of my life thinking/feeling the same way. But once you pick up the bible and read it and think about and compare it to what has and is happening you will see. The illuminati freemasons have created a world of people who think and believe just like you ” the bible was written by man not by god, so therefore god is not real” That is exactly what they want you to believe.BUT, to answer your question about “what is it that convinces me beyond any shadow of a doubt that the bible is the word of god?” There are several and many places in the bible where GOD spoke to someone like Moses or John and told them what to write and say. You can read exodus 19 and 20 to learn a little about the Lord and Moses. You can read revelation 21 and 22 to learn a little about what the Lord let John see so that he could write what he saw. In 2 thessalonians the Lord tells us that someone will proclaim himself to be god. read 2 thessalonians 2:4. Think about the pope. the whole world treats him as if he were God but he is not he has only come to deceive you. Man there is so much in the bible that explains everything. The bible is the WORD OF GOD inspired by the Lord himself.
            Do you have a bible? If you do not You can email me with you address and i will send you a bible free no charge and i will pay for the mail fee. icu_2_cop@ hotmail.com GOD BLESS YOU DENNISO.

          • Antonio

            Yes sir, Jay i am awear of the population decrease “garden plot” and just about everthing else. Thank you sir i am always researching and preparing. BTW, have you ever seen the videos i have posted on youtube? If not, Would you be interested in watching my videos?

          • denniso

            What you are saying Antonio,is that because the bible says it is the word of god,then that is the proof of it’s being divine. That’s a bit like a person telling you that he is trustworthy because he is trustworthy…not exactly proof of anything. I grew up on the bible. I’ve read much of the bible,and debated much of it. Unlike you I saw the flaws and foibles in it and realized that it is just old writing by men,and carries no special quality…once you realize that,then there is no believing in it as divinely inspired. I’ve moved on to a different belief,that we are in control of the world and our lives…we create heaven and hell right here on earth…we live and die like all other life here and the only thing that makes us special is our cognitive ability that no other life on earth has,and we can use it for evil or good. We can build and help others and the earth,or we can destroy and ruin other life and the earth. I have a couple of bibles that I use periodically for research,not because I think there is any divine truth in it,but to look up references that people refer to.

          • Antonio

            Denniso, God is real. Do you believe that we humans evolved from an ape? If so, why are there still apes? If so, how did we ever learn a language? Much a few hundred different languages? It just isnt true denniso. God created us humans. God gave you your life. God gave you your consciousness that gives you a “feeling” of right from wrong. Lets look at it like this.
            Darkness doesn’t even exist. It is the mere absence of light. Cold?? Cold does not even exist. Cold is the mere absence of heat. Thats all it is. I know you dont believe this but these things are true. Example, there are all kinds of heat and it can be measured beyound and infinite number but cold cannot. you can only measure cold to -458 degrees below 0 and that is called “zero heat”. It cannot get any colder because it just doesnt exist, remember cold is not the opposite of heat, it’s the absence of heat its that simple. Heres another one for you. Darkness is a word used to describe “no light”. Think about it. You can measure light. theres bright light, low light, flashing light, all kinds of light, but darkness what can you do with it? you cannot make darkness any darker can you, why? because it doesnt exist, it’s the mere absence of light. Think about this. Evil does not exist, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil
            is simply the absence of God. It is just like
            darkness and cold, a word that man has created to
            describe the absence of God. God did not create
            evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man
            does not have God’s love present in his heart. It’s
            like the cold that comes when there is no heat or
            the darkness that comes when there is no light.
            God say’s that in the kingdom there will be everlasting light. think about all that Denniso the Lord is real and he loves you. Peace

          • Jay

            Yes Antonio, I would like to see your videos.

          • Jay

            Antonio, in my opinion, it is the prophetic portion, 1/4 of Scripture, that prove beyond a doubt, that God is the author!

          • Antonio

            JAY This is my youtube channel. http://www.youtube.com/frombabeltoireland
            Once you are there clik “upload” and at the right there will be a list of videos titled “THE 2012 NWO AGENDA” I have 14 videos there you will need to scroll down untill you find parte 1. Watch the videos from part1 to part 14. If you have any questions just ask me. I hope you like my work. God bless you.

          • denniso

            Many books have fairly accurately predicted the future in terms of the economy or politics…they can be called prophetic,just as you call the bible. Does that mean they were written w/ god’s help,or was it just that the authors researched and studied,and then made reasonable predictions about what might happen? Some of the bible prophesy is just that…smarter men than others at the time,knew a little about human nature and their small slice of the world,so they could make some predictions that would ocurr,especially if the predictions were general enough and not specific.

            If all you need to consider a book ‘divine’ is for the book to call itself ‘divine’,or ‘holy’,then you might as well believe in hundreds of ‘divinely’ inspired books. You’d better forget about any sort of scientific or rational view of anything,because you totally ignore logic,science and rationality when you put the bible on a pedestal,as anything more than a book written over hundreds of yrs by men who were nothing special.

          • Antonio

            Denniso, You sure do talk a lot about “science” what is it exactly that you know about science? Personally i don’t think that you know much about science. Science has a few rules that it uses to do its research and scientigic studies with. Do you know what these rules are? There is a list of 5 basic things that govern the scientific studies of something or other. Do you know what they are?

          • denniso

            ‘something or other’?? You don’t make a very good case for your own knowledge of science. I have an engineering degree,which involved learning a fair amount of science,as well as all the science available in high school.

            All science really is, is observation and experimentation,and gathering and analyzing results. Science keeps our minds from essentially checking out for lunch…running off w/ any and all hair brained thoughts,ideas,conspiracies and flawed theories. If something can be shown to have objective evidence for it’s existence then we say it exists…if no evidence at all,then the thing or idea doesn’t exist…pretty straight foward and essentially simple. It is never the case that science knows absolutely everthing about the world,but it is a constant striving toward that goal. For instance,evolution has much evidence in the theory,but there are still gaps that scientists are continually working on. They find more pieces of the puzzle often and incorporate them into the theory and adjust as necessary.

          • Antonio

            Ok Denniso thanks for your answer. But, you never really told me 5 things that govern scientific studies (probably didnt know with all that education you might have missed a few basics). Science uses the 5 sences feel, taste, see, hear, smell. So as to be a testable,
            demonstrable protocol.
            So according to the laws of science i can say that you dont have a brain. Nobody can prove to me that you do based on those rules. I cannot feel your brain i cannot taste your brain i cannot see your brian i cannot hear your brain and i cannot smell your brain. Therefore, your brain is an untestable, undemonstratable myth.
            Do you believe in a “thought”??? Have you ever once just once in your life siad “i thought about that”??? With all your education, do you know that science cannot even explain a “thought in your mind”? When you walk down the street and see an ally for a short cut but then you get this strange “thought” that says “i better not go this way” What the hell is that, if science cannot explain that or measure it?? Basically a thought uses electricity and magnetism, But are you awear of the fact that eventhough we have and use those today, science still does not fully understand either one of them, Why? Because it cannot be seen, felt, heard, smelt, or tasted.
            Lets take look at God.
            We cannot see him, hear him, taste him, feel him, or smell him. We have FAITH in him just like you have FAITH in your thought. Make sense?
            BTW, dont make me laugh with the evolution stuff jaja.

          • denniso

            All you have to do is cut my head in half and you can see my brain. You can hook my brain up to certain machines and see my brain activity in action. You can do imaging of my brain and watch my brain light up w/ thoughts. There is absolutely nothing you can do to show any evidence at all of your god,or anyone elses god.

            Your statement would be more accurate back when the bible was written,when people knew almost nothing about the brain,or much of anything else. That’s what separates science from belief,science evolves toward more awareness and knowledge of the cosmos,while belief goes nowhere and never changes or progresses,because there is nothing there to change or advance.

            Literally, the only place anyone’s god exists is in an individual’s mind,despite all the writing,talking and fighting that goes on over all the gods,ancient and newer.
            Have a good day.

          • Antonio

            Until your head is cut in half and your brain is hanging on a fish hook there is no proof that you have one. For all anybody knows is that you might as well just have a CPU in there. Your comment did nothing to prove that science understands a thought, why? Cause you can’t. They may be able to see brain activity, but The fact still remains that “science” cannot explain a “thought” nor can science understand electricity and magnetism. Science can only prove the existence of a physical object and nothing more and the bible explains all else man. God is real dont let yourself perish only because you cannot “see” him. Do not put all your faith in science who still cannot explain a ton of things. Have faith in the Lord, after all he has faith in you that one you will call upon him.
            JESUS LOVES YOU!

          • Jay

            Wow denniso, you truly are stupid! You can take a Ford engine apart and not see Mr. Ford in the engine, does that mean Mr. Ford doesn’t exist? Dolt! Basically that is what your saying, because the inventor or creator cannot be seen in the product, therefore the product wasn’t made by anyone and it just came about by chance. I find it hard to believe you have a degree in engineering, did you bribe your professor? You still have not answered my question…where did biological information come from??? You are aware of DNA? Each one of our cells, and we have trillions, contains 7ft. of DNA. Each strip of DNA contains specific and complex information for building over 25thousand different types of specific proteins! This is information dumbo! The source of information can ONLY be intelligent!!! You are an intellectual HACK!!!

          • Jay

            Antonio, don’t waste time with this fool. He’s nothing more then an indoctrinated monkey!!!

          • Antonio

            Yes Jay, you are right it is a waste of time. He is completely lost, brainwashed, and indoctrinated. Theres no hope.

          • Jay

            Antonio, I have watched the first of your videos in the series of 14. From an artistic perspective it was beautifully done, the musical accompaniment was appropriate and taste- full! I agree with the genesis of the genealogy of the free masons as beginning with Nimrod! Would you agree that the original freemason to be non other then Satan, who has been busily building, since the time of his fall, and even to this day, his dark and perverted kingdom, and fashioning man in his distorted image?

          • denniso

            Jay,when a person resorts to name calling in a discussion that is a pretty good indication that he has lost the debate. You have to sink to a sub human level because you have nothing of substance to say…so the living cell has DNA,and the animal organism is intricate and complicated,that is no proof that any intelligent designer had a hand in it. Because we don’t know everything about life is no reason to believe in myth and superstition…you sound very much like the extreme new age people that have all sorts of mysteries and myths in their belief system. Since you can’t imagine how things came to be through natural processes you have to wrap your ignorance in a blind and childish ‘faith’ in the supernatural. Maybe if you tried a little harder to understand the science behind the universe and life you could see what many others see.

            You never gave one iota of proof that any sort of god exists…oh,he’s written about in the bible,that’s right,so that makes it a fact. What an immature and absurd ‘proof’.

            Thanks Antonio for not sinking to Jay’s level. Have a good day.

          • Antonio

            JAY (Y) thanks for complement!! I am glad that you have enjoyed the first part and theres much much more!! Yes i agree that satan is the creator of the illuminati blood lines and the establishment of the new world order. I have a problem in my walk with Christ. Those who fight by the sword will die by the sword. But Jay, i cannot sit here and let them take me to a fema camp and torture me untill I take the mark or chip or just deny the lord. I will take up arms and fight for our liberty, but something tells me its not the right thing to do. Your opinion please?

            Denniso, if theres is a left then theres a right. If there is up there must be a down. If there is forward there has to be a backward. If there is truth there is lies. if there is right there is wrong. If there is a “fake” God there has to be a “real” God. Think about that. And have a nice day.

          • Jay

            Ah denniso, like a true coward that you are you yet AGAIN avoid the question. The question and topic all evolutionists avoid like the plague, ORIGIN OF BIOLOGICAL INFORMATION!!! Perhaps you are not as stupid as you pretend, just a gutless coward with zero intellectual integrity!

          • Jay

            Did Jesus really say that all they who live by the sword will die by the sword? How could Jesus have said something that is so obviously not true? There have been many hundreds of thousands of career military men and women who have died peacefully in old age. Yet “those who live by the sword will die by the sword” is a common saying.

            Matthew 26: 52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

            Notice that Jesus didn’t say, “live by the sword.” He said, “take the sword.” Some versions render this line as, “draw the sword.” There is a big difference. Living by the sword is a lifestyle. Drawing the sword is a one-time act. The context of this statement is the night Jesus was captured to be held for “trial” and then crucified. A great number of men had come with swords and staves.

            Matthew 26:47 And while he yet spake, lo, Judas, one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and elders of the people.

            Matthew 26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus [The gospel of John tells us that this was Peter] stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest’s, and smote off his ear.

            52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

            53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

            54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?
            Peter was not the only one of Jesus’ disciples present with a sword. Others present who were armed asked Jesus if they should fight with their swords. Peter was just the only one who began to do so without asking.

            Luke 22:49 When they which were about him saw what would follow, they said unto him, Lord, shall we smite with the sword?

            Jesus’ statement recorded in Matthew 26:52 above was a response to Peter’s action and the disciples’ question. It was relative to the situation at hand, not intended to be a proverb for all times and conditions. They were surrounded by a “great multitude” of armed men. Jesus told his disciples that if they fought they would die. He fixed what Peter had done by healing the man’s ear (Luke 22:51). Then he told his disciples that he could call in more than 12 legions of angels [a legion was at that time probably 6826 soldiers, 12 legions would be 81,912] if he wanted to get out of the situation, but that he needed to go with the men and fulfill what the Scriptures said would happen to him.
            So the proverb is probably derived from Jesus’ words in Matthew, but it should not be attributed to Jesus. It is a corruption of what he said, ignoring the context in which he said what he did.

            And remember, when first He came, He came as a Lamb to be sacrificed, when He comes again, He will come as a conquering Lion of the tribe of Judah!!!

            Antonio, it is well and good to study and know your enemy, but be careful that you do not lend the enemy all of your attention, and always remember, the enemy has already been defeated!!!

    • PeggyB

      Kate8, I really enjoy your posts and all of the great links. Everyone here should dive into the information you provide and really educate themselves rather than getting drawn into endless no-win left/right, liberal/conservative debate.

      • Kate8

        PeggyB – Thank you so much for watching them.

        I know that few people click on the links, but some of them have crucial information.

        Blessings.

        • Marty S.

          To Kate and many others who post here the info and links you provide are absolutely invaluable, I just hope the freedom of speech which we all (left or right) enjoy here continues uninterrupted by the powers that be.

  • Martin Gorelick

    What I find interesting is that I have read other places where Bob Livingston calls himself a Christian, but I never see any sort of theological take, any hope in Christ, indeed anything but “We’re all gonna die! Follow me!”

    • JeffH

      Care to back that up with some actual proof! Can’t? Not surprised.

      • Jay

        JeffH, the commie brigade here are nothing more then hit and run artists. Accuse and run, rinse and repeat….truth is the best repellant!

        • JeffH

          I used to refer to them as the “troll brigade”.

          • Jay

            Someone referred to them as “Trogolytes”, or liberals!!!

          • libertytrain

            I don’t recall ever being told this was supposed to be a theological site? I wonder what this fellow’s problem is -

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Martin Gorelick,

      I don’t understand your point. Do you want to engage in a religious discussion? If so, state your question plainly.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • Henry Ledbetter

    The wisdom of The Word of God always prompts me to rejoice in it’s truth. Think of how true it is that “If a ruler hearken unto lies, his servants are wicked.” Proverbs 29:12 “You will know who I am by who I surround myself with.” Obama.

  • Ridge Runner

    Happy ass you and a few more need to get togather with obummer and just go off to one of the back rooms in the white house and maybe you to gather can make this jackle for get about the people of america for awhile. We need some relief.the person commenting about bob saying he was a christian but never saying or expounding any virtures of god doesn’t mean he doesn’t belive in god to me he just doesn’t want to bore you to death or drive it into drivel.if you feel that you need to be constantly of the love of god(not the fear of god)then that is your choice.What works for me is i know it is there and i don’t have to be reminded conseantly by some one.All i need to do is just look around and i can see it in every thing in daily life.If you need constant reminding by some one then maybe you need to sit down and do some thinking.What do you understand about christanity jesus gave us the ten comdments to live by and gave us free choice.you can’t put your beliefs on other people by force only by suggestion.

  • Wayne937

    Well, I am sure that most of you have heard the latest by now, Obama is paying back Nancy for her help in passing the health care law. Her district was given 15 percent waiver, of all the waivers in April on the new health care law. Since Nancy was one of the biggest pushers for this health care why should her district get any waivers???? This just push insurance hjigherm for those without the waivers. I guess Obama is giving all those waivers for the people who wanted the health care in the first place. If they want the health care to pass why would they want a waiver from it???? I guess Obama is looking out after his friends who supported him. This is another reason this man should be kicked out of office.

  • Wayne937

    Sorry about the hjigherm in the last post, I meant to say premiums. I didn’t check the spelling before I pushed the submit button.

  • Wildcat from Dallastown, PA

    I heard part of that plan to devalue the dollar and create the Amero about two years ago along with some of the other rather un-American plans identified in the comments posted by Void 1972 only I heard it from a precious metals trader who is familiar with someone who, according to his (or her) words operates behind the scenes in Washington D. C. in and out of the White House that they called “Satan in human form”. Since then information has leaked from various news outlets relating much of the same plots and schemes Void 1972 mentions.

    I continue to operate keeping the four “G’s” at the forefront of my operational planning and execution. The four G’s are: God, Groceries, Guns (and ammo), and Gold (and Silver). In my assessment there are between 1% and 5% of the American population are ready for this krapsturm!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I would love to see an actual correct poll done, that truthfully reports as to what percent of those collecting unemployment and food stamps, and all these other wonderful (I say that sarcastically) government handouts, as to what political party they vote for. I realistically would be pretty close, without doing any polls, in saying that over 95 percent of them vote democrat. They bribe them for votes, with a mere pittance hand out, keeping them down and in their place, and these people are too blind to see it. They keep giving them a fish, so that they can eat that day, instead of teaching them to fish, so that they can feed themselves everyday. What a two fold shame it is, that one, the government continues to suck from the working and give to the lazy frigging bums who dont want to work and sponge off of society, and to those who are willing to let the government excercise control over them by buying and selling them with handouts such as food stamps, unemployment, WIC, and all the other social programs the democrats continue to grow. Its a plain shame.

    • denniso

      Why make such a silly statement? You first say that you’d like to see a poll of who welfare recipients vote for,then you state that you would be close in saying that 95% vote Democrat…come on now. You don’t have a clue yet you then make an adament statement w/ no evidence at all.
      You might want to consider which party the welfare recipients called big oil tend to vote for in order to keep their welfare checks coming…the 4 billion/yr in tax deductions that go beyond normal biz deductions. Maybe you will wonder who the big farmers and ranchers vote for to keep their multi billion $ subsidies rolling in? How about the trillions in subsidies that have gone to weapons builders and gun maufacturers?

      Try to be honest and not so obviously biased agains people who need food and clothing. What would your Jesus think?

  • jopa

    Martin Gorelick: Apparently you were correct in your assumption of Mr. Livingston and Christianity.He would normally respond immediately when questioned.

    • libertytrain

      I’ve never seen him respond to mindless gossip.

      • Martin Gorelick

        I don’t see how it’s “mindless gossip.” If I make claims to be a conservative, then go on and on about how wonderful Pres. Obama is, then it’s only logical to question my conservatism. If Mr. Livingston is making the Christian claims I’ve seen, but never makes any comments that point people toward Christ, then it’s only logical to ask questions.

        • libertytrain

          I don’t believe this was intended to be a theological site – frankly I don’t see any relevance to what you are intimating. It appears you are creating mindless gossip out of nothing.

  • Antonio

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  • Janice Fortin

    “Unavoidable merger with Canada and the country the CIA and FBI call the most CORRUPT ON THE PLANET, mexico” WHY UNAVOIDABLE? America has done fine without it. Coming in USA thru mexico are drug cartel and criminals from so. america etc. America does not need the cesspool of mexico flooding it. not tainted enough with the likes of
    obama, jarrett, panther loving holder, million dollar baby pelozzi, forgetting whose throats she thinks she’s cramming with the crappy lawlessness of this administration? By the way, not 500 thous but a MILLION OR MORE ILLEGALS BECAME ENTRENCHED IN AMERICA IN THE PAST YEAR. Venting our anger just won’t cut it. You all feel as overpowered as I by CFR,Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg Group, whose power in America resulted in its current corruption. Voting and getting the REAL DEAL in office is so damn challenging, esp when you even fatham that the above mentioned organiZations have methodically hammered away at U.S. values for decades! WE MUST NOT BE OVERCOME.
    SO THEY THINK WE’RE THE PEONS THEY’RE GOING TO RUN OVER? E-VERIFY must be enlarged to include ALL employees, no matter the length of employment. That’ll be a good start. Border Patrol must be given more power and that is, to round up illegals coming over and not bother handing them to ICE. After stripping their illegal documents,
    have Sheriff Arpaio chain gang them all the way back over the line.
    Maybe he could establish a cleaning crew out of them and make them haul the crap on the border 10 miles into mexico. Gardening and canning – good too. If not out of fear, out of protection from rising costs. Legalizing prostitution and/or marijuana will just give USA more problems, more disease, more hideous deaths. KEEP AMERICA CLEAN ~! WE can make it and send the unvetted on his way in defeat of the long experiment of the EVIL ELITE. Corruption always
    breeds undesirables who turn on each other in the end. YOU HEARD RIGHT, AMERICA: OH YES WE CAN ~!

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