What Is Obama’s Real Agenda With Islam And Iran?

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Last Friday, President Barack Obama worked to mend fences with Iran — the greatest criminal nation on the planet. In his 15-minute phone conversation with Iranian President Hasan Rouhani, Obama lost track of the fact that Iran is a proponent of Islamic law and is a prime sponsor of terrorism around the world.

Obama can’t see Iran’s true color: red, stained with the crimson blood of Jews and Christians who won’t accept the Prophet Muhammad and Islamic domination in the Mideast and beyond.

It is the sad truth that Obama buckled under Iranian pressure only weeks after an Iranian official promised to slaughter Americans. Qassem Soleimani, the head of Iran’s Quds Forces, told Iran’s Assembly of Experts, a group that chooses the Supreme Leader, that Iran will provide brutal support to save the Syrian regime.

According to The Daily Caller, a former high official even made threats against our President:

[I]n an unprecedented statement, a former Iranian official has warned of mass abductions and brutal killings of American citizens around the world and the rape and killing of one of Obama’s daughters should the United States attack Syria.

Alireza Forghani, the former governor of southern Iran’s Kish Province, threw down the gauntlet last week. Forghani is an analyst and strategy specialist in the supreme leader’s camp and closely aligned with Mehdi Taeb, who heads the regime’s Ammar Strategic Base, a radical think thank (sic), and thus speaks with the blessing of the Islamic regime.

“Hopefully Obama will be pigheaded enough to attack Syria, and then we will see the … loss of U.S. interests [through terrorist attacks],” he threatened. “In just 21 hours [after the attack on Syria], a family member of every U.S. minister [department secretary], U.S. ambassadors, U.S. military commanders around the world will be abducted. And then 18 hours later, videos of their amputation will be spread [around the world].”

It reads like something from medieval times; yet it doesn’t seem to bother the President, as he continually displays his Islamic loyalties. Such is the leadership under Obama, who treats terrorists like Republicans and Republicans like terrorists.

The Real Iran

Rouhani succeeded former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who said Jews are “the most detested people in all humanity.” He also called the extermination of 6 million Jews during World War II “a myth,” claiming that Jews have played up Nazi atrocities during the Holocaust.

Iran produces only extremist leaders. During his State of the Union address in 2002, President George W. Bush said Iran and its “terrorist allies” are part of “an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world.” For more than three decades, Iran has been the primary sponsor of Hezbollah, which when translated into English is the “Party of Allah.” Based in Lebanon, Hezbollah’s paramilitary wing is considered one of the largest rebel armies for uniting Islam. And it has a large following that wants to harm America.

A just-released Pew Research Survey shows that 62 percent of Palestinians say suicide bombing is justified. Reported Pew: “[I]n some countries, substantial minorities of Muslims say attacks on civilians are at least sometimes justified to defend Islam from its enemies; in the Palestinian territories, a majority of Muslims hold this view.”

Iran throws a lot of weight in the Muslim world and has done more to advocate Islamic extremism than any other power in the world, both in terms of money and ideology. But exactly what do Iran and its brand of Islam stand for?

To get a bearing on just how crazy Revolutionary Iran is, consider the words of its revolutionary and spiritual leader, Ayatollah Khomeini as reportedly found in Tahrir al-Vasileh:

A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, however selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.

According to a post on Patheos, Khomeini’s also wrote:

A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising [sic] the child is acceptable. If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister… It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband’s house, rather than her father’s home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.

The teachings of the Ayatollah are as powerful today as they were when he spearheaded the revolution in 1979. His sick and hateful ideology influences millions of people.

But nobody protests louder than Western Muslims and their liberal apologists, who always want to paint Islam as a reasonable, peaceful people. The propaganda was spewing about last week at the U.N. General Assembly meeting. Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif declared that, “Islam is a religion of peace, compassion and brotherhood.” I expect that when Sharif got back to Pakistan, he was subjected to a lashing; because he doesn’t seem schooled in the most important subject taught to any Muslim: the Quran:

  • “God’s curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God’s own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God’s most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers.” Quran 2:89-2:90
  • “Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage.” Quran 2:190-2:191
  • “Muhammad is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.” Quran 48:29

Those are hardly the words of the New Testament. Of course, liberals can argue these words are taken out of context (not sure what context it would be OK to proclaim such things, but so be it). But before anyone gets too defensive about Islam, take a look at what “good” Muslims have done recently, specifically in Saudi Arabia.

The House of Saud has a 70-year relationship with the United States and has been a major provider of petroleum to the free world. Without a doubt, Saudi oil helped build modern Western societies; and the Kingdom has been a stabilizing force in the Mideast. Yet Saudi Arabians do not have the liberties we take for granted, and they live in a society we would never tolerate. One incident that illustrates my point was a fire at a girls’ school in Mecca on March 11, 2002.

As the smoke billowed and flames spread, students and teachers began to run for the exits. There was just one problem; the school was patrolled on the outside by the Saudi religious police who were responsible for “educating” females in the Kingdom. The zealots had a serious problem: The girls and women fleeing didn’t have the good sense to cover themselves from head to toe before rushing out.

According to eyewitnesses some of the “holy ones” beat the girls to force them back into the school so they could retrieve their full gowns, some of which were probably already on fire. Then they blocked the doors. Then firefighters arrived and began to help some of the students and teachers escape. So what did the religious police do? They started beating up the firefighters. The same treatment was given to parents who arrived to help free their children from the flames. The teachers did the best they could; but when it was all over, there were 15 dead and 50 others badly injured.

This happened just 11 years ago in a moderate Muslim country — at least moderate when compared to Iran. None of that seems to concern Obama, who appears to be all ears when it comes to opening diplomatic relations with Tehran. The question we should all be asking ourselves is: Why?

Perhaps King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia knows the answer. Abdullah was one of the first to congratulate Obama on his election victory in the autumn of 2008. A couple days later, the king was in New York for a U.N. session. On Nov. 7 and within minutes of Abdullah’s arrival at Kennedy airport, the President-elect phoned him.

Robert Lacey writes of that conversation in his book Inside the Kingdom: Kings, Clerics, Modernists, Terrorists and the Struggle for Saudi Arabia:

The call went on for around seven minutes, and it finished with Abdullah expressing the wish that the two leaders might meet and talk face-to-face before too long — “Inshallah” (“If it be God’s will”).

“Inshallah,” echoed Obama, making use of the pious Islamic expression with which he was obviously familiar.

Later the king recounted some details of the conversation to a group of Saudis who had assembled to welcome him to Manhattan.

“I clearly heard him say ‘Inshallah,’” mused Abdullah to the little gathering.

“God willing,” he added wryly, “we shall make a Muslim of him yet.”

In this writer’s opinion, Abdullah didn’t have to work very hard at it.

Yours in good times and bad,

–John Myers

Personal Liberty

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • Harold Olsen

    What Is Obama’s Real Agenda With Islam And Iran?

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    It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out. His agenda, and goal, is to do every thing he can to ensure they take over and conquer America. Barack Hussein Obama is this country’s worst enemy.

    • mark

      Right, that is why Obama took out Osama Bin Laden while Clinton and Bush allowed him to escape over and over again. This is definitive proof that Obama is pro-Islamist. He killed their greatest leader. FDR was pro-Nazi, too. He proved it by defeating Hitler. Now I understand your logic, Harold. In fact the logic of this whole site.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Do you know for a fact that Osama Bin Laden was the muslims greatest leader?

        • dan

          …you mean CIA asset Tim Osman ?

        • smilee

          He claimed to be and was out to get us, so that does not matter!!

        • KG

          He was actually the CIA’s greatest ‘asset’. Next to Oliver North. I still wonder why didn’t Ed Meese go to prision?

      • dan

        come on …every body knows ( sarcasm for those without the wit to realize it) he died in ToraBora if not before from kidney failure…maybe the seals conveniently got his double for mass consumption before somebody got the seals to cover it up ….
        You’re a bright guy but you definitely need to read more history than you’ve been exposed to …google is your friend:the www where nothing can remain hidden….cheers !

        • smilee

          Dream on sucker you know there is no proof of that so to say everybody knows is a lie and a stupid stsatement

        • mark

          Everybody knows? Yeah and everybody knows there is a Santa Claus, too! Do you have any credible citations for your Tora Bora fairy tale? In other words, not right wing conspiracy sites that claim Hillary secretly gave birth to the Ayatollah’s baby, etc.

          • Cashu

            Ever notice that when a liberal begins to lose a logical argument, he begins to demand definitive proof of everything from the opposition?? And, of course, if you’re not lightning quick to produce that proof beyond any possible disputation, your argument is simply unfounded. (sarcasm) We can now begin to see the desperation Mark is feeling with his Santa Claus remark also. When under duress, obfuscate!!!

            Cashu

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          • Bill

            Good analogy, Cashu

      • Pumpkin Puss

        He wasn’t even in the loop by the end….it is not the killing of the leader, but the dismantling of the organizations that is key & since Obama got in , Al-Qadea & offshoots are flourishing!

        • smilee

          But they are on the run always looking up to see if they can spot that drone

          • Pumpkin Puss

            Actually the way he has used drones (and they are serious War Crimes) has created more terrorists & hatred of USA, that is why he is using them like that & we are no safer, while way more innocents are murdered & leaving Afghanistan on artificial timeline, so Taliban will take over as soon as we leave!

          • Don 2

            If memory serves me, it was America on the run in Benghazi, and Americans looking up for a drone.

      • Average_Joe56

        “that is why Obama took out Osama Bin Laden”

        You know this to be true…how?

        Were you with Seal Team Six?

        Exclusive photo’s?

        I guess you were also on the ship that (supposedly) dumped the body?

        I have $5 that says, none of the above are true representations of your knowledge concerning the events.

        I have another $5 that says you heard it in the media…and actually believe everything they tell you… so long as it fits “your agenda” and your narrative.

        Still stuck in the left/right paradigm?

        “How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?”
        Doctor Pinero

    • liz

      I agree, now we just have to elect people with courage enough to stop him and his regime. Some are trying now but may be too late.

      • smilee

        You already had that chance and you failed badly!!

      • FreedomFighter

        I cant read anyones mind, and am not privy to the plans, ye I believe part of the agenda is to eliminate/kill or expel all Christians in the middle east. Once complete radical Islam implement radical Islamic agenda and take full grip of the populations belief system. Tens of thousands will die in blood bath of insanity, leaving the insane fanatics in complete control, raising a population from birth of the indoctrinated from birth, trained insane.
        Laus DeoSemper FI

    • smilee

      Quite the imagination you have silly!!!!

    • Karolyn

      How does it feel to be brainwashed, Harold?

      • Cashu

        You can likely inform him, Karolyn. Along with all your leftist buddies here, you’re about as brainwashed to the socialist big lie as anybody I’ve ever seen. Enjoy yourself, Comrade, it’s later than you think…

        Cashu

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      • nc

        Karolyn, the poor man(Harold) doesn’t realize he’s been brainwashed! He really thinks what they feed him is true! This is the only place in the world where he can spout his puke and get a group of people to tell him how smart he is! pitiful for an adult!

        • Bill

          He sure got your juices flowing, NC
          What, no yelling? The drugs must be kicking in

  • KG

    In the words of the greatest President America ever had, besides Lincoln and Washington, ‘…we have nothing to fear except….fear itself!’ When FDR spoke those words, America was in the midst of a economic Jihad brought about by the failure of Capitalism through the greed of a few wealthy people. However, if you study American history, the so-called Great Depression of 1929-1942 was not without precedence. The Panic of 1873 was the beginning of a decade of economic turmoil for Americans.

    However, It’s not economics that Mr. Meyers is concerned with, it’s the fear of Religious zealotry in the Muslim world. The actions of a few fanatics have struck a chord of fear and anxiety in the Western world. However, this is not without precedence either. Pope Urbans call to take back the Holy Land from Muslim invaders was the Christian equivalence to the call for Jihad. The christian Pilgrimage , or what is called in the Muslim world Hajj, to Jerusalem was declared by the Christian church as a necessary rite of Christianity. And the Holy Christian Crusader, in their just fight for the Holy land were promised Apotheosis upon their deaths, just like the Muslim Martyr in his promise of 72 virgins in Paradise.

    To say that the Muslim world has a corner on Religious sexual deviation, let us not forget the story of Lot and his daughters. Due to a lack of men suitable for the daughters, rather than go on without children, the sisters got their father drunk, seduced him and bore children from their father. And lets not forget Jacob, the Two Sisters, and a Handmaid or what could be called a three-way. And for some really graphic sex from the bible, let us not forget that beautiful bible passage – Ezekiel 23:20. You can read it for yourself, just make sure your children aren’t around. Aint Religion great!

    • Jack Panter

      FDR was a filthy communist POS.

      • dan

        Lincoln wasn’t the prince the victors portray him as , either.
        He disregarded the Constitutional limits and spirit …and had
        the press in HIS pocket…and taxed the hell out of part of the nation while the infant milatary/war complex raked in money….my…history does repeat !

        • Jack Panter

          I know, dan. When I was in high school we were made to read the Lincoln/Douglas debates. Lincoln didn’t care if black people were slaves and said they were inferior to white people. I’m certainly no advocate for slavery (though our federal government wants us all enslaved), but Lincoln only used slavery as an issue to attack the south.

          • smilee

            Regardless he later refused to end the civil war until the US House passed the 13th amendment which the senate had passed in 1864 which ended slavery and had that ability to twist arms to make it happen and we did not see that tactic again until LBJ. So in the end he proved he was against slavery what ever his beliefs earlier. He did not attack the south they fired the first shot thus declaring war on the government which he is required to defend

          • Bill

            Smilee,
            Your handlers just told you that

          • smilee

            Have no handlers do not need any as I can think for myself, don’t you wish you could.

          • Bill

            You are right, Jack
            It was even evidenced in a letter Lincoln wrote to Horace Greely where he stated he could care less about the slaves.
            The civil war was about taxation or the loss of it.
            It is amazing how history gets re-written to fit political agendas

        • smilee

          Ah!! but he won the war and saved the nation, all is fair in love and war you know!!

        • KG

          Have you ever seen a map of America circa 1860? Washington DC was surrounded – sorta like Berlin in the old DDR. If Lincoln DID NOT suspend Habeus Corpus then DC would have been flooded with southern sympathizers and spys. Would that great conservative leader “W” done the same thing?

          • dan

            Hadn’t seen that map..always thought of the advancing army as an arrow sweeping up from the SSW….
            lol…Lincoln started it by rushing to blockade Charleston Harbor ( think of Fort Sumpter as old-school false flag)…
            nice touch ,though, tossing those who disagreed into prison (NDAA oldstyle) must quell ALL disagreement in
            a Republic….
            W ? God only knows ….but a statesman would have been able to arrive at a reasonable compromise without
            trampling the Constitution and engulfing his countrymen in a STUPID war.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Disjointed history. Desperation is showing very badly.

      • smilee

        Do you feel better now that you got that out of your system????

      • smilee

        Do you feel better now that you got that out of your system????

    • dan

      failure of capitalism because of manipulation of markets by government and currency by a Private Bank cartel aka the Federal Reserve…
      er ,I guess that would be Progressive Facism aka Communism,then.
      Every religeon or cult is bound to get SOMETHING right…just as all are bound to err in at least one bit of doctrine.

      • KG

        Are you stupid AND ignorant? The FED was created by BUSINESS AND BANKS to ‘save’ capitalism from it’s many failures. Here is a list of the ‘panics’ and depression(s) that America has suffered since its inception:

        The Great Recession of 2007
        The Recession of 1980
        The Recession of 1973
        The Recession of 1958 – 1961
        The Recession of 1945
        The Great Depression of 1929 – 1942 including the Recession of 1937
        The Recession of 1918 – 1921
        The Recession of 1913
        The Panic of 1910
        The Panic of 1907
        The Panic of 1896
        The Panic of 1893
        The Long Depression of 1873 – 1885: Includes the Panic of 1873 and Recession of 1882
        The Panic of 1857
        The Panic of 1837 followed by the Depression of 1839
        The Recession of 1825 – 1826
        The Recessions of 1822 – 1823
        The Depression of 1815 – 1821
        The Depression of 1807
        The Recession of 1802
        The Panic of 1797

        To equate the FED with ‘Communism’ is really ignorant on your part. Go to your local community college and take a US history course!

        • dan

          i doubt that von Mises would agree…
          and Central Planning and Control IS
          the hallmark of ….well , socialist/communist facism
          …and silly me supposing that honest weights and measures backed by commodities (gold ,silver and copper)called for in the Constitution is inferrior
          to centrally planned and controled (dictated)fiat
          paper money …
          ….

          • KG

            The ancient Romans, in the height of their power, had a ‘fiat’ monetary system that worked very well for centuries. What was discovered was that ‘Money’ doen NOT give value to the product, but the PRODUCT gives value to the money. That’s what makes Checks and Credit cards work. In and of themselves, there is no value except for the value put into the issuer.

            The next paycheck you get just mail it to me since it’s just worthless paper.

          • dan

            and I thought they used metal coins with the impression of the emperor on them that they debased by shaving the edges until they were barely recognisable…then called them in and recast them containing base metals
            before reissuingthem.
            they also drank water from lead pipes….
            and paid their legionaires in the dessert with salt

          • KG

            Why does ever conservative use the “Roman Empire” as an example of America’s current plight? I’m constantly seeing conservative commentators comparing the two to justify some sort of Fascist idea or proposal. I used an example to highlight the folly of precious metals as currency.

            Here is a better advocate for the proper use of currency in America. It’s a good flick.

            https://www.google.com/search?q=The+Secret+of+Oz&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

          • dan

            It’s just too easy and tempting: Pax Americana…the Emperor Zeroe…the empire being engaged and having outposts in 74 countries :)
            Thankyou SO much…I really enjoyed and learned quite a few things. I am a descendant of Wm Jennings-Bryant and silver must be in my blood but debt free money is what I loved about Jackson and Lincoln (despite my
            misgivings about so many other things in which they had a hand ,…) and the Jefferson qoute is priceless:
            “I wish it were possible to obtain a single amendment to our Constitution…taking from the federal government
            thepower of borrowing.”
            I hadn’t revisited Oz since the 60’s…

          • KG

            I ‘feel’ ya, Bro!

        • Bill

          I see you are into the Thunderbird wine again KG.
          You have to be careful, that stuff will warp your brain

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Your history is rather disjointed.

    • tasharina1

      Umm, we are talking about what is happing now, not thousands of years ago. During those years Christians separated themselves from the Catholic Church and the Spanish Inquisitions and torture. Those that chose to remain Catholic, rose up against the evil of the Catholic Church and reformed it and did away with the violence against the people.

      Today, Christians and Catholics of all denominations do not torture and murder people to force them into their religions, and cannot be compared to what happened in ancient history.

      The crusades were a response to the Muslim aggression and occupation of Christian lands. Not because the countries attacked them, but because they refused (Duwat ul Islam) complete conversion to Islam.

      Pope Uban’s call to reclaim the Judeo and Christian holy lands is not jihad. The Muslim’s invading and occupying the holy lands and tearing down Christian structures and replacing them with Mosque’s is jihad.

      Hopefully, the people in Egypt, who are fighting against and threw out the Obama backed terrorist government, to get back their short lived democratic freedoms, will win. Which I think they will, if Obama lets them.

      I pray that this will catch on and the peace loving Muslims will rise up against the jihadists, like the Christians did so long ago..

    • Hey, Porcupine!

      FDR was one of the worst prez ever! His moves extended depression & only good thing he did was let private industry arm us for war…that is what gotu us out of depression!

      • Bill

        Hey,
        Don’t take Kg seriously. He quotes the bible but he is an admitted communist, which has murdered more people in the last century than any other source.
        He is a joke and has no credibility

      • KG

        So, how did he get elected 5 times if he was soooo bad to the American people?

        He WAS ‘bad’ to the selfish, greedy, conservative nutballs of his day.

        • Prince Pablo

          HAHAHAHA….why do you always think that if someone got elected, that means the voters knew what they were doing? How many millions of people CHOOSE to eat fast food everyday? Does that make it a good choice or good food?

          • KG

            What do you mean by ‘CHOOSE’ ? You are assuming that every choice a person makes is reasonable, logical, and well-thought out with all of the possibilities evident before the choice? Why did Patton choose the M4 Sherman tank? The one that took 6 of them to defeat one German Tiger tank?

            I think YOUR concept of ‘choice’ seems to be lacking in intellectual honesty.

    • Bill

      Kg,
      So your new religion should be called the religion of derangement

  • CP

    This makes Barry a traitor and he should be tried in a criminal court. Why isn’t he? Because those that surround and protect him are criminals as well.

    • liz

      Absolutely!

    • podunk1

      Mistaking cunning for ineptness is a fatal flaw for victims. $7 trillion down the crapper with absolutely nothing to show for it in five years says he wins BIG – we are crushed. Same true for $17trillion unpayable debt, government printing $1 trillion/yr counterfeit money to devalue debt & counterfeit consumption bonds, destroying SSI & all other pensions… while subversive gov. media blames those whose are plundered and destroyed!

      No budget in 5 years – BO is shutting down everything people need while spending endlessly to push the poison pill Obamacare down the throats of citizens who are being destroyed! Add it up – no budget ever under him, & he says it’s funded – not possible. Congress must appoint an emergency prosecutor, charge BO with unauthorized spending, and have him arrested & jailed – Use an emergency filing with the Supreme Court to stop the coup-de-crap & overthrow of the Constitution!

      • mark

        Keep dreaming. You have been doing it for 5 years and 8 months now, so why stop? Continue fantasizing about the Obama impeachment all the way up until the January 20, 2017 inauguration of Hillary Clinton. Then you can enjoy 8 more years dreaming about her impeachment which will also never happen. Hey, at least it gives you something to do. Look on the bright side.

        • podunk1

          Remember Nixon, Bloggo, the big bad bag man of Detroit & a long, long list of others??? They leave a long wide trail of rubble & demonic destruction behind. Those winding up behind bars consider themselves omnipotent… blowing themselves up like big balloons, just begging for a little pin to let the air out.

          Political corruption is a lot like gastric gas… grows & grows till it gets painful… you move upwind from progressives, pull a finger, fart, & watch them come to see what’s new.

          Point is, you are what you are, and your followers are doomed down wind wallowing in the muck you generate. Bulldozing Detroit simply moved your degradation from one street to another like a slow motion firestorm of lawlessness, killings, and infinite hopelessness! The vast majority of ghetto dwellers are real people who deserve a productive respectable life! Instead they’re rats in a psychotic liberal voting experiment – go the food box with the democrat blue light, push the lever & you get fed, do ANYTHING ELSE, & you get zapped!

          Push the dominos – when one falls, maybe they’ll all fall! PROSECUTE Corruption – DON”T ACCEPT AND PAY FOR IT!

          • Bill

            I agree, Po,
            Let’s do our best to stir the pot and rattle their cages

          • NC

            Podunk, what have the non Democrats done for the poor people? Give the slum lords the tax breaks> What have the non democrats done for the working man? Given the tax breaks to the rich people to create jobs for the less rich and what did they do? Stuck in their pockets or sent it off shore! That’s why the corporations have the biggest cash reserve in our history! That’s The money from the rich man tax breaks that bush and the Heritage Foundation assured Congress in 2001 they would use to create jobs and strengthen the economy! Come 2008 where was that economy? In the toilet!!Where was bush? Running around with a 25%^ approval rating and Obama was not even the leading candidate yet!
            You people are so deep in denial of the mess that bush left for Obama to face that you can’t give an adult appraisal of how good or bad Obama has been! You need to grow a set and man up!!!
            Until you can do that I will be here shouting at you every day or until Mr.Bob pulls my card! OR UNTIL THE OLD PUMP GIVES OUT!
            ALLAH BE PRAISED( I’M MEHTODIST)

          • podunk1

            You’re howling at the moon & only the moon god of darkness will hear you. Christians don’t praise Allah or the perversion and evil associated with that crap.

            You haven’t read what I write nor taken the time to test the truth in it. The same is true relative to the vast majority of writers on this blog and other blogs like it’. Constitutional conservatives hammer progressives in both parties – BOTH ARE HELL BENT ON DESTROYING THE USA! Truth will set you free.

            The things both of us miss relate to the early 90’s through today – that’s Bush 1, Clinton’s, Bush 2, and Obama 2008 til now… all progressive puppets like sharks in bloody water. Productive infrastructure and worthwhile jobs moved out by the mid 2000’s leaving minimum pay/talent service jobs and mushrooming national debt as we ceased to produce what we consumed… the death spiral of the USA.

            If one notices the trends of this period – free capitalism found itself bankrupted & run out of business, with the scraps bought out by US Global corporate monopolists who make the same old brand names in China and elsewhere with slave labor, and zero restrictions & regulations… like trying to buy a light bulb that puts light out from someone other than GE (Obama’s job czar).

            Since 2008, it’s all about the worst of all combined, not because his skin is black… but because he’s simply all evil – can’t speak truth, and the whole damn democrat party is rotting out from under him!! The same is true of rinos, but we do have some hope if people will support Cruz, Bachman, and a growing list of other patriots.

            We either stop BO’s money cold or the USA is gone – another Cuba. He hasn’t ever had an “approved” properly thought out budget!

        • smilee

          Look on the bright side?? For these you are asking the impossible but it is good advise!!

          • Bill

            Smilee.
            No, it is a song sung by Eric Idle in Life of Brian.
            “Always Look on the Bright Side of Life”

          • Bill

            Smilee.
            No, it is a song sung by Eric Idle in Life of Brian.
            “Always Look on the Bright Side of Life”

        • Nadzieja Batki

          So your emotions run to a vendetta to a people which have not done you harm but just oppose you in your Dem/Prog/Leftist ideology.

        • Bill

          Mark,
          This economy must be wonderful for you. I see you have made a career out of being a shill

      • Jack Panter

        Well Said, Podunk1.

      • smilee

        I have to give you credit you have the far right radical propaganda and talking points down pat!! Congratulations!!

        • podunk1

          What’s far “right” mean??? Sounds like fact based data that’s backed by absolute calculation, reference, & logic… that’s correct (right).

          The analogy written doesn’t begin to describe the progressive pathos – the degradation & waste of the most productive nation ever – into an abyss of zero morality, reason, and discernment.

          Legal precedence and statute says a major cleansing is finger tips away. it’s absolutely no secret. PS progressive rinos and democrats are indistinguishable … My votes go to moral patriotic people who cherish virtue & honesty – lie & you’re out or put your allegiance to party instead of Constitution & country and you’re an enemy!

          • Cashu

            Beautifully stated, po. I absolutely agree with your final statement. Only those who remain truthful and moral under stress and ALWAYS support the literal language of the Constitution are worth supporting…

            Cashu

            ======================

          • NC

            Podunk, you claim that we put our party before the Constitution! We follow the Constitution! The Constitution does not condemn abortion! NEITHER DO WE! The Constitution does not condemn labor unions! NEITHER DO WE!! The Constitution does not give any religion a special place! NEITHER DO WE!

          • Don 2

            NC, the Constitution speaks to the right to “Life,” not abortion, like your party.
            The Declaration of Independence: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

          • podunk1

            You’re not following the Constitution. You’re following
            labor unions (so what..?) & baby killers (felony murder in some cases), and you’re violating the Constitution… Amendment 1 “…shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech…”!

            Soon you & your progressive left wing will be left out in left field with nothing left but your pacifier & book of banned words because real people of all colors aren’t buying your destruction agenda.

            Look at it this way… If you’re sleeping off a weed & meth buzz in a footing trench… & the cement mixer arrives at the right time… you’ll literally be part of the foundation of whatever is being built… more likely than not, a public
            crapper if you’re a proud progressive.

          • smilee

            Its not fact based the far right rhetoric says so but it is not so. If the GOP keeps up this stupidity they may find themselves on the outside looking in again as they are the real enemy hellbent on destroying the gov.

          • podunk1

            The $17 trillion unpayable debt, $7T++ added by OBAMA, and the $1T/yr ($85 billion/mo) counterfeiting are Obama government published numbers that I looked up & understand. Farther than farther left, too many are too far gone to understand – or in your talking points “fliar”, the book of confusion, or in the teleprompter.

          • smilee

            The confusion here seem to be only you!!

      • NC

        PODUNK. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US HOW THE HEALTH CARE BILL IS GETTING IT’S MONEY TO CONTINUE WHEN CONGRESS HAS SHUT DOWN MOST EVERYTHING ELSE????? COULD IT HAVE ALREADY BEEN FUNDED?
        THAT’S WHY THEY SAY THEY WANT TO DE-FUND IT! IT HAS ALREADY BEEN VOTED ON!! AND PASSED! BY BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE! WITH SOME REPUBLICANS VOTING FOR IT!!!
        WHAT DO PRESIDENTIAL BUDGETS HAVE TO DO WITH LESS DEBT? REAGAN SUBMITTED HIS ALL OF HIS BUDGETS ON TIME YET THE NATIONAL DEBT ALMOST TRIPLED> bush II SUBMITTED EVERY BUDGET ON TIME> THE DEBT DOUBLED!
        BOTH OF THOSE ADMINISTRATIONS SET A RECORD FOR THEIR TIME FOR ACCURRING DEBT! SO MUCH FOR PRESIDENTIAL BUDGETS AND NATIONAL DEBT!

        • Bill

          NC,
          You need to go take a blood pressure pill, you still have to enroll in Obamacare, and that could raise your blood pressure more

          • nc

            Bill, I am keeping my insurance. Are you?? or will the Obama plan be better for you?

          • Bill

            Nc,
            You are just full of laughs, keep them coming. We need more entertainment

        • podunk1

          1) Because BO is given a blank check by both legislatures, and all three (House, Senate, & BO) are engaged in ripping off the taxpayers just like they do in Chicago and Detroit. Undeniably, Bloggo & the Detroit Dude are in jail as are many of their accomplices.
          2) In the kingdom of BO, everything he blesses is funded by Bernanke’s printing presses, the treasury bond printer, and a few countries who bought debt for free manufacturing infrastructure.
          3) BO care was fraudulently passed by use of force, extortion, and payola, without reading the bill, without due diligence, and with intent to bankrupt and overthrow the nation (treason). Clearly there is a breach of oath and duty by all who voted for it under any of those conditions. Read a book on agreements & contracts.

          — The bill has been materially changed and altered WITHOUT legislative consent. Countless exemptions, favors, and punishments as edicted by BO. Obama has no legislative powers, no powers to grant favors for votes, etc. Therefore, the law has been fatally corrupted by the president, and he must be held for his obstruction of laws!

          4) Obviously you need more work on money, spending, debt, consumption, what happened in the Russian revolution, & what happens to grasshoppers in the winter. Maybe go to a gravel pit & start piling up 17 trillion rocks, just tot get a feel for what BO’s been doing & we’ll go from there.

      • Bill

        Good comments, Po
        It is all about diversion. Obama is just putting on a dog and pony show to cover up his ineptness

      • StinkBomb Jones

        Hey, PO from your lips to God’s mouth…May I remind all, he is first prez to never have a budget in violation of federal law, since DEMs control senate, it is up to them to pass a budget… it is far more than NO BUDGET….Obummer actually put forth 2 budgets that got NOT ONE VOTE FROM HIS OWN PARTY, he got shut out twice!!!…in this the most partisan of political times…what does that tell you? HE DOES NOT WANT A BUDGET, SO HE PUT FORTH SOMETHING HE KNEW WOULD NOT HAVE ANY CHANCE OF BEING PASSED…Hey, if you want to bankrupt the nation, you don’t want a budget do you? What he did here shows what he is all about, he has given himself away, the suffering of the people, the nation’s economic future means zippo to him, it’s all a game, a sick game to him!! He is a psychopath!!

        Though not a big fan of Paul Ryan, he put forth 2 sensible budgets That got some DEM votes….

        • podunk1

          You hit the progressive plan on target. Almost 100% of the time, uncontrolled spending is a felony when it gets to a grand jury & trial by jury. The key is scads of criminal statute & precedence especially in the realm of fiduciary relationships, oaths of office, contract & agreement especially where breached & fraudulent, power of attorney bent to the point of power mongering & outright theft. A person could make a career out of documenting the endless incidents of breach of oath & fiduciary obligations, fraud, conflict of interest, extortion, pay-for-vote, theft, obstruction of justice, treason (financially collapse the country,, etc., etc.

          Public officials are held to internal control, checks & balances, due diligence, & competitive basis spending. They fail in major felony proportions. The House merely needs to hire a top CPA firm to overview audit the basic budget & spending process, control, and security. Why fight & argue with criminal idiots.

          The GAO & OMB are not independent and no doubt federal government has never been audited by a real auditor. The immediate answer for the House is NO MORE DISCRETIONARY SPENDING OF ANY KIND UNTIL detailed, multilayer BUDGETS ARE PASSED BY THE PRESIDENT, HOUSE, AND SENATE.

          You can make a huge difference on the net and especially in little local news papers. The rats are on the run! God loves repentant whistle blowers and so do we.

    • mark

      Right, including the whole Congress, Senate, Supreme Court, and the U.S. military. Worst of all are the entire American people who refuse to launch an armed revolution against him. They are all traitors to the core! Everyone a god#@%am traitor!

      • dan

        well, weve learned that Civil Wars might lead to full employment…but they’re pretty tough on the infrastucture…
        ther are parts of the South that STILL haven’t recovered.
        As far as traitors : a rope is as good as a tank…or we might appropriate one of theose guillotines from a FEMA prison-camp.

        • KG

          The NSA has been informed of your comments.

          knock,,,knock,,,!!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            But they will be after your skin first. Read up your history about treachery.

          • KG

            WTF?

          • Don 2

            Bang…bang! Who’s there?

          • nc

            Dan, if the NSA comes calling, don’t go Rambo on them! They are going to win. Do you want to be buried with your with your second amendment guns?? What about your Rand Paul badge??

          • Don 2

            Yeah NC, like the NSA makes house calls! I’m having trouble deciding who is further out there…..you or KG?

        • NC

          Dan, like bush let 19 Muslims APPROPRIATE 4 FUEL LOADED AIRCRAFT TO DELIEVER THE BIGGEST TERRORIST ATTACK EVER?
          I HAVE SEEN THE PICTURES OF 9/11! HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A FEMA CAMP WITH A GUILLOTINE?
          REMEMBER THAT INTELLIGENT ADULTS INDEPENDENTS ARE READING YOUR ANSWERS!!
          EVEN JINDAL WHO IS CONCERNED THAT HIS PEOPLE ARE TAKING IGNORANT POSITIONS THAT ARE COSTING THE ANTI -OBAMA VOTES IN THE NATIONAL ELECTIONS! DO YOU WONDER WHERE HE GOT THAT IDEA???

          • Bill

            Nc,
            Just because you scream does not make it true. You need to calm down, remember your blood pressure

          • dan

            Building 7…google is your friend
            do you believe everything you’re told…of course not
            Agenda 21,Patriot Act
            I think the government really cares about me…
            NDAA…NSA
            there, I feel safe and secure,now…and no intelligent adults who voted for Obarry were harmed or distracted
            from their televisions or free phones

    • smilee

      No, because there is no proof he has actually broken any laws, your hatred of him has blinded your ability to think straight.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Your fawning and worshipful stance (comments in this case) tell that your love affair with O has blinded your ability to think straight.

        • Bill

          Good Analogy, Nad

  • colonel marstellar

    Its soo clear that obama is muslim..he would rather lie down with the mad dogs of the middle east (reagans name for Qadafi). Than sit down with congress over a budget or do anything thats American. Its clear obama hates the foundation of the United States of America!! Isnt that treason?? When a president is pro anything but America???

    • Chuck Rogers II

      Worse yet he panders to them at the expense of the American people

      • Ronr

        He has allowed for an awful lot of them (leaders) to be killed also. More than Reagan, Bush, and Bush. He has to be in their eyes the worst pretend Muslim in the world.

        • dan

          depends on if you’re Wahabi,Sunni or Shite…
          the only thing they all agree on is kiling Christians and Jews

        • Jack Panter

          He sure loves to kill muslim leaders who have kept the satanic islamic horde in check. Oh, when he’s not telling our troops to stand down in Benghazi so Americans can be slaughtered by his buddies.

    • Ronr

      And how clear is that ???? And is there some law against being Muslim?? Doesn’t the constitution that some of you claim to know and love so well say something about religion in it?? Now prove he is a Muslim because I and many other Americanas don’t see it, and besides it would not matter.

      • D. Geils

        Do you really think you will be exempt from the Muslim leaderships rath ? Do you not understand that a Theocracy will be set up with rigid rules that you too will have to obey … to the letter … absolute obedience … are you in for total obedience to radical Islam?

        • Nadzieja Batki

          So you fear muslims? Why is that when you are also one of the ones who tell the site that muslims are such such sweet, kind, peace loving people, they just want the best for the world.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            My apologies D. Geils, my response was to “mark”.

        • Karolyn

          Paranoia, thy name is D. Geils!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            And you are totally devoid of sense, Karolyn.

      • dan
        • KG

          That’s such a ‘cherry-picked out-of-context POS video.

          Here’s the ‘gipper’ telling all of the teapartiers how full of BS they are about Social Security.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihUoRD4pYzI

          I didn’t know Ronald Reagan was a communist?

          • dan

            …a recovering Democrat,as he pointed out

            and he was a UNION ORGANIZER…gasp

          • KG

            Reagan was no organizer – more like a mole for the red scare Joe McCarthyites.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Are you on drugs, Cagey? What does one video have to do with the other?

          • Jana

            That is the only conclusion we can possibly come to, that KG is on drugs.

      • Jack Panter

        There should be a law against being a muslim. Had you studied Islam you would know it is a totalitarian political system with the destruction of all other systems as the primary goal.

        • KG

          Ever hear of American Conservatism? It is a totalitarian political system with the destruction of all other systems as the primary goal.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            What are the intentions of the Dems/Progs/Leftists? But then you are afraid the human sheep won’t be allowing themselves to be predated upon anymore. Your ideologues had easy pickings of the minds and souls of people for over a hundred years and the people adapted to the status.
            Poor little Cagey, him and his ideologues won’t be able to be hunters of men’s souls anymore so they have to double up their efforts.

          • Bill

            Kg,
            And have you ever heard of Kgvatism. It is weirdness at its finest

          • Foxy Freddie Fitzsimmons

            Actually, it is quite the opposite!

        • nc

          Jack, I think your position is ridiculous concerning a law against them! If there was such a law oR it we IGNORE OR shun them are they going away? If they are not going away, how many American lives should we sacrifice to get rid of them” If you are against foreign wars then how do we get rid of THEM or lessen the threat of their being on earth? Talk??
          Diplomacy?? Give peace a chance?? Like Carter got the Israelis and the Egyptians to do?? As a Military(?) person why do you think they have not attacked us in force??

        • THE PIGMAN

          Although most are not the peace loving souls the PC people & media would like us to believe , there are Muslims like the Sufis who are very good , spiritual people & hated by most mainstream Muslims, both Shiite & Sunni…most Muslims, if not radicals, are a bit sympathetic to them….The Christians have risen from the darkness of the Crusades & moved up & on…the Muslims, who had higher cosmopolitan civilizations in the past, with excellent culture & art, etc.. & treated Jews way better than they were treated in Europe, have actually gone the other way, descending into darkness..Nevertheless your post is ludicrous & should be no part of America or any other nation!

          • Jack Panter

            “The darkness of the Crusades” ? I realize you have been taught revised history, but the Crusades were a defensive reaction to 500 years of islamic slaughter of millions of Christians. The dark ages was caused by Islam. There was never a “golden age” of islam. Tell you what. Watch this video on Youtube. It’s a lecture on this very subject by a University professor. “Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret, by Dr Bill Warner”

        • Karolyn

          A law against being a Muslim? Please tell me you’re kidding?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That’s funny, Karolyn. You can’t even make an innocuous comment now without getting thumbs down.
            I agree with both of you. But one can see from the Level of involvement of the US Military around the world that the Muslims aren’t the only pushy people.

          • Jack Panter

            No. I am NOT kidding, Karolyn. Read the quran, hadith, and life of muhammad. Educate yourself then tell me you still want muslims in the US.

        • Bob666

          Yo Jack,
          I guess you are a big supporter of the first amendment?

          • Don 2

            Yo Bob,
            I know Jack’s comment sounds ridiculous on its face, unless, as he said, you’ve actually studied Islam. Islam is not just another religion, not even close. It is a religion, a political system, and a culture, and they cannot be separated. It is the oldest political system in practice today. Islam and the U.S. Constitution cannot work together.

            Americans automatically fall back on the First Amendment when talking about religious rights. However, Islam itself does not support First Amendment rights, and is in fact against any such man-made law that would allow other religions to exist.

          • Bob666

            Yo Don,

            Two points,
            First, if you respect and want the first amendment, you have to take the good with the bad. Like it or not, one has to accept the lawful public gathering of members of the Nazi party or Klan just as you & I have the right to worship as we choose in any house of worship.

            Finally, as it pertains to Islam, I don’t agree with you. I have a Koran in my home library (was my fathers) and have read parts of it along with a Torah and several Bibles and Bible reference books. As you read this, I make no claims to be an expert on any religion, but grew up in a home that promoted the Christian faith.

            Both parents were were active in the church and my father was a deacon and had a masters in theology, so he was well qualified to be a pastor.

            I have also done business in three Middle -eastern countries (moderate Islamic) as well as Israel and spent up to five months at a time living among Muslims. While you are correct that many Muslims would like to live under Sharia law, that does not prove that all Muslims would choose to have Sharia law run their chosen government.

            It has been my experience that Muslims as a group are just like any other religious group with many variations of both faith and interpretations of their faith.

            BTW, the neighborhood that My wife and I have lived in for 18 years is predominately Jewish and sits between four synagogues. Most of my Jewish neighbors would read this post and while many might not totally agree with my statements, most would not disagree with me.

            I believe that most people are basically good and fair, regardless of their religious leanings.

          • Jack Panter

            Your ignorance of islam is astounding. The first amendment has nothing to do with islam. Islam is a political system. Idiot.

          • Bob666

            Let us review a couple of topics Jack,

            First Amendment:

            Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

            Let examine:

            “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech”

            Your comment:
            “The first amendment has nothing to do with Islam”

            Sorry Jack, but you’re wrong on this one. Let me know if I can make the contradiction more simple for you.

            Finally, Your comment:

            “Your ignorance of Islam is astounding”.

            Well, perhaps. I am not an expert on anything, but I am very knowledgeable about many things. I have a pretty good library on various religions and started reading the Koran about fifty-years ago as it was in my childhood home along with several Bibles (new and old testament) and the Torah with quite a few other significant text on other faiths.

            I have also done business in three Middle -eastern countries (moderate Islamic) as well as Israel and spent up to five months at a time living among Muslims

            While I have no intentions to get in a pissing match with you regarding my knowledge of any faith verse yours, based on your comment pertaining to the The First Amendment, I am going to save you some significant time and suggest that you do a bit more research and reevaluate your statements to me.

          • Jack Panter

            Good for you.

          • Bob666

            By the way Jack,
            Notice how I did not call you an Idiot……..

          • Jack Panter

            No, but you’re ignorance of Islam is astounding.

          • Bob666

            Wow Jack,
            I have to hand it to you. You prove yourself to be clueless on the constitution and try to act as if you have a clue about Islam.

            Ever worked or lived in a Muslim country? How many Muslims do you personally know?

            Please tell, I am all ears & eyes.

          • Jack Panter

            99.99% of all terrorism is due to the pedophile muhammad’s (pigs urine be forced down his evil throat in hell) satanic death cult. That’s all we need to know about Islam.

          • Bob666

            Wow Jack,
            That has to be one of the most intelligent post ever made here!

          • Jack Panter

            I’m glad you finally get it. Now go back down in the sewers and bob for 666 more commie snacks with your buddies in the democ_rat party.

          • Bob666

            Wow Jack,
            Let’s see, you could not hit the meaning of the first amendment if we did it for you.

            Have no clue about Islam-no experience or facts and now you label me as a democrat? (never have been-BTW)

            What is it like to be so consistently incorrect about everything that you post about?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Ronr, the more you defend O the worse failure you make O to be.

        • smilee

          He would be a failure if the radicals on this site liked him!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            But the radicals on this site, like yourself, do like O and you show him to be a failure.

      • smilee

        He isn’t, this is just their way of expressing their hatred of the man and I suspect with some their racism.

      • colonel marstellar

        Would the establishment of sharia law be ok? Under our Constitution and bill of rights? NO! Sharia law goes against the very foundings of our country. Sum total is thats its a religion of oppression.

      • Bill

        Ronr,
        So are you saying that you are against the constitution that you mock so freely

    • smilee

      Only to people with simple minds and thoughts as you pocess

    • KG

      Mr Hand “…what are you people? On DOPE???”

      • Puff The Tragic Dragon

        Hey, KG, I don’t think I have ever agreed with one thing you have ever posted, but that was one of my favorite movies ever!!….LOL!! Penn & Ray Walston were awesome!!!

      • Bill

        Kg,
        Are you an expert on dope or is that your new religion

      • Don 2

        What’s wrong with dope KG? Obama enjoys it, be it cocaine or cannabis. Doobie-doo

    • nc

      COLONEL, it is not clear to me or the 60 million plus who have voted for the President that he hates America, or is a Muslim or likes radical Muslims or is trying to destroy America!
      When I see these accusations I ask myself” What is the likely hood that this person ever liked Obama? or has approved of anything he has done!” At this sight my conclusions is that the writer has never voted for him or approved of him! If I am wrong please correct me!
      It is not treason until charged, tried and convicted by those designated by the Constitution to do so! If Colonel is an attained rank I am going assume you know this! If it is just a good ole southern name I fully understand ! Sorta like being called Bubba.

      • Moshe McCarthy

        Read his books and biographies, etc..and it is plain as day he hates the West, USA & whites & loves communism/socialism & Islam & Saul Alinsky….who would sit for 20 years in the pews of The Wrong Rev. Wright’s church & hear him spout his racist vitriol & anti-USA screeds if he did not agree? Look at all his associations,Bill Ayers, USA hating terrorist, Palestinian radicals & terror supporters, racist/socialist groups like ACORN, He even made the ludicrous statement that Islam was a big part of growth of this nation..Aren’t you known by the company you keep?

        As the Good Book says:

        Matthew 7:15-20

        New King James Version (NKJV)

        You Will Know Them by Their Fruits

        15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

        To this day, I cannot believe that after all that Wrong Rev. Wright stuff & the other associations came out (1) He got the DEM nod over Hillary & (2) He got elected prez….it was like the nation was mesmerized or hypnotized & millions voted for him just because he was a smooth talking half-black, for all the wrong reasons…of course, it did not help that McCain was about the worst candidate ever & did not listen to Palin who wanted to relentlessly attack Obummer…I guess McCain thought he would be called a racist & that paradigm is still in play today! OBOZO is an empty suit & is either the stupidest man around or intentionally trying to destroy our economy & nation!

      • Bill

        NC,
        It is not clear to you because you have been indoctrinated by the Marxist propaganda. For supposedly being an old guy, you are sure showing signs of being dumb downed

        • nc

          Bill, why don’t you take a list of the governments of the world, research their recent histories, and grade them on world status against that of the USA. Which of those most appeal to you as a place you would RATHER live in?
          I love this country and want to live here as opposed to any place I have visited! YOU TAKE THE POSITION THAT IS EVIDENCE THAT I HAVE BEEN “DUMBED DOWN”! WHERE WOULD I LIVE THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE A SMARTER DECISION FOR AN AMERICAN CITIZEN???
          It is you and your buddies who PI$$ and moan about how Obama runs this country! You are not satisfied but I am.
          I am old enough to know that we have never had a perfect administration and never will. Those right wingers have a history of some major F**KUPS along the way! If you are one of those who say you are not a Republican either then you have no dog in this fight! We have no true conservative! Thank the Gods!!
          I support the Democrat platform so I vote against anyone who vows to follow the Republican platform positions! Has worked so far! I am a left winger because I am not paranoid!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No NutCase, you make a list of the countries that you think fit your Socialistic ideal, then go there. We could live quite nicely without your old immoral thieving self here.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            You are a Dem/Prog/Leftist because you are a paranoid, needing the STATE to maintain you because as a general rule most people would refuse to support your laziness.

      • Jana

        He has made last month National Muslim Month. We didn’t expect it to be clear to you nc.

    • Bill

      Good analogy, Colonel

    • Bill

      Colonel,
      You can tell how effective your comments are by how many Marxists get their panties in a twist

  • dan

    I thought we didn’t negotiate with terrorists….
    the rules must not apply to POTUS Barry /Harrison/whatever
    (PRETENDER of the US)

    • mark

      Neither did Ronald Reagan. Instead he secretly and illegally sold advanced U.S. weaponry to terrorists as part of the Iran-Contra Scandal. Oliver North, a FOX favorite, was a key player in the transfer of U.S. armaments to the terror regime in Tehran. Reagan also sent advanced Stinger missiles to the Jihadist Mujahideen in Afghanistan to oppose the Soviet forces there. The Soviets sought to defeat the Islamists in Afghanistan but Reagan took a strong stand against this insisting the U.S support the Muslim cause of jihad all throughout Central Asia. He is still beloved by several jihadist groups who carry out attacks on U.S. forces there for his help and especially for transferring advance U.S. weaponry to Islamists in Iran, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and of course Afghanistan. Radical Islam never had a better friend than Reagan
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair
      Check out the great photo of Reagan meeting with the jihadistsin the Oval Office:
      http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/09/sleeping-with-the-devil-how-u-s-and-saudi-backing-of-al-qaeda-led-to-911.html

      • dan

        are you sure that was Ronnie and not VP/CIA Bush

        • mark

          No VP Bush was out of the loop on Iran/Contra according to the Congressional Investigation. This was strictly a Reagan/Casey/North/Poindexter/McFarlane operation as you can see by reading the article and several others on the topic. Secy of State George Schultz was also kept out of the operation as Kissinger was kept out of Watergate by Nixon. The photo in the White House with the Mujahideen leaders is definitely Reagan not Bush. Jihadist world wide still have a certain affection for Reagan. He was their man. In contrast, Obama, the murderer (in their eyes) of Osama Bin Laden, their great leader, has been a huge disappointment.

          • dan

            dude,that’s his freakin’picture with them in Afghanistan ..

            “But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.”

          • mark

            Right, but Reagan ramped up the aid to the Mujahideen massively, much more than Carter – and was proud of it! He bragged about it in his memoirs as one of the most successful achievements of his administration The fact that these groups would later attack the U.S. never apparently occurred to him.
            p.s. If you scroll down on my second link you will see that the picture was clearly taken in the White House. (There are several photos on the link, dan)

          • smilee

            Reagan was a great talker but not a great thinker!!

          • dan

            lol…perhaps like most older folks, a lot sharper
            than you might think….but definitely acted the part
            that was necessary for the time.
            Politics is a blood sport and he was a survivor.

          • Cashu

            You’re so full of BS we can smell you coming, Smelly. You’ve got to admit that when it comes to sounding a hell of a lot brighter than he thinks, the obamination takes the cake. The Bummer sounded so good, he could convince the low info crowd – and that includes you – that he was actually intelligent and that he had the best interests of the country in mind…

            Cashu

            ====================

          • Don 2

            If that were true, they would have named him smilee.

          • smilee

            That is really low!!

          • Bill

            That’s the saddest story I ever heard

          • Bill

            Good answer Don

          • dan

            yup…soon as they got the Soviets out,they expected to be in charge of their own country….I believe they were referred to as Freedom Fighters.
            but when they went back to their best /trditional cash crop of opium is where there started to be some friction.

        • nc

          Dan, when a vice president takes an action in foreign affairs HE is the President! Especially if the President knows of it or does not ASK FOR HIS RESIGNATION! WHEN HE LEARNS OF IT!
          BUT did bush I not say he was not in the “LOOP” of the group that carried out that O. North assignment!
          I would think a former head of the CIA ,Bush, would have been a great help to a marine officer in making the arrangements WITH the known international gun dealers around the world who actually supplied the weapons! Wasn’t here one in Miami and a South Africa connection in the mix?
          Did someone in the Reagan White House know of the illegal transaction or did someone there lie about it?
          Why do the Repugnuts want to give the reputation of Reagan and bush I a free ride on this!!!!

          • dan

            plausable deniability…
            Too bad I was so involved at the time of the hearings. Seems to have CIA (Directer Bush’s) handprints all over it …
            IMHO: Reagan was severely limited in what he was allowed to do(especially reign in a rogue CIA)…beginning when Bush was FORCED on him as VP (had a live feed in Texas when he announced…. surealistic moment) and
            especially after the assassination ‘attempt’ to get him to cooperate.

            Long and short of it is foreign entanglements are a BAD
            idea because of unanticipated consequences

      • Jack Panter

        Sorry to inform you, mark, but Ronald Reagan is dead. Our communist muslim in chief is not and is doing his very best to destroy America. I’ll remind you it was Jimmy “the jew hating communist” Carter who unleashed the satanic muslim horde on the world.

        • smilee

          His legacy did not die with him it remains, he is not off the hook because he is dead!!

          • dan

            remember Pearl Harbor

        • KG

          So is Thomas Jefferson, Ayn Rand, and Socrates, and their Ideas as well as neurosis still haunt our collective consciousness.

          I hate to tell you, but it appears you weren’t even a glimmer in your daddys eye during the Carter administration.

          It actually started when the CIA that was run by a bunch of ex-nazis decided that democratically elected leaders were not ‘kosher’ in a post WWII world of Communist conspiracy.

          • Bill

            Kg,
            I take it Carter was one of your heros, Kg. It stands to reason that you would back a loser

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You may have “collective” haunts, KGB, but the rest of us are individuals and I prefer to stay that way.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Poor little Cagey, angry that America does not want Socialist and Communist yoke on its’ neck.

          • nc

            Batki, according to the 2008 and 2012 national elections , Americans don’t want the American Right Wing on it’s neck either!

          • S.C.Murf

            nc you know as well as we the elections of 08 & 12 were bought fair and square

            up the hill
            airborne

          • Nadzieja Batki

            But you are just admitting that you would welcome the Socialist and Communist yoke on the neck of America.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            You just admitted that you want Socialism/Communism as a yoke on the necks of American people.

          • nc

            batik, where did I ever say that???

          • Bill

            Had a few drinks, Kg?
            I guess it is 5:00 somewhere

          • KG

            I live in Texas. Where the distance between towns is not measured in miles, but in the number of beers it takes!

            Ottine, Texas? Umm.. thats about a 6-pak from Austin.

        • Bill

          Good comments, Jack

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Does it ever end with you guys, mark? We are here to chart a better future for our country — NOT to excuse away current failings because similar failings existed in the past.

    • smilee

      We have negotiated with nations that sponsor terrorism many times, it has proven at times to be beneficial.

  • Ozziejorge

    Heck … have not seen Iran flood the skies with cruise missiles, or push for regime change … [a la Iraq / Afghanistan/ Libya/ {TRYING BLOODY HARD IN SYRIA}/ ringing China/ …..and THEY are sponsors of terrorism??????
    WOW … maybe the guy just wants to “live and let live” … and JUST MAYBE, if the HAWKS got out of the act, and the elected representatives represented the MAJORITY people’s desires, instead of kowtowing to the military-industrial complex who fund their election costs, the world could simply co-exist??????

  • mark

    Obama still fails to display the loyalty to Islam of Ronald Reagan who secretly sold advanced U.S. weaponry to the terror state of Iran in the 1980s as part of the Iran-Contra scandal. Oliver North, another apparent radical Muslim supporter, was a key proponent of this policy as well. Donald Rumsfeld, evidently another pro-Islamist, took another tact, arranging the sale of chemical weapons technology to Saddam Hussein who used them against his own people.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Reagan is no longer here to defend his stance and why he did what he did. Bush is still around so feel free to go and ask why he did what he did.

      • smilee

        He left his legacy and ii is not dead!!

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Two wrongs still do not add up to a right, Shill Dave, no matter how many times you Liberal Progressives try to bring us down to the lowest common denominator.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Two wrongs still do not add up to a right, Shill Dave, no matter how many times you Liberal Progressives try to bring us down to the lowest common denominator.

      • Don 2

        Referring to Obama as just a Muslim sympathizer is quite the understatement.

    • WHITE WOMEN EVERYWHERE

      Let me remind all that in Iran-Contra, the weapons were sold to Iran to be exchanged for hostages & the money used to try to help put down a brutal Marxist dictatorship in Nicaragua….I’m not defending the breaking of the law, but at least these were noble purposes…Not like the gun running covert CIA black op in Benghazi to ship weapons to Al-Qaeda in Syria…that was unconscionable & I’m sure OBOZO & Hillary The Harlot had no knowledge of it……..LOL!!!!

      http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/cnn-confirms-wnd-reporting-on-gun-running-in-benghazi/

      • Ringgo1

        nc, for the first time I upvote you. Good post.

        • WHITE WOMEN EVERYWHERE

          It was not NC, but me, “WHITE WOMEN EVERYWHERE” who are agreeing with, Ringgo1

          • nc

            White women! that was close! I was almost connected to your unproven rant against the President! Would you classify your “source” as right of center with an agenda!
            Or just plain guessing!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            There’s no dork like an old dork.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          System glitch, Ringgo1.
          To be sure, reload your browser to see the real ID before you post.

      • Bill

        Good comment, White

      • KG
        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          Are you “black”, Jew or Prussian?

          • KG

            1 Corinthians 9:19-23
            King James Version (KJV)
            19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
            20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
            21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
            22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
            23 And this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

      • Bill

        Hi White,

        Did you see how fast the Iranians released our hostages when Reagan was elected? After Jimmy Carter showed nothing but weakness. Kind of like how Obama is handling it.

        Just a note, I like Persian people. They are very smart and a nice culture. But the crazy mullahs that run their country are being harmful to their citizens, just like Obama and his merry band of Marxists are doing to this country

    • Bill

      Mark,
      For lack of intelligent argument, blame is on Reagan. How childish

      • mark

        No I was responding to a poster, dan, who said that he thought U.S. policy was to never negotiate with terrorists. But numerous presidents have done so, have even armed terrorists as President Reagan did. It is important to remember this. President Clinton sent special envoy George Mitchell to negotiate with the IRA to come up with a settlement that has largely ended the violence in Northern Ireland. President George H.W. Bush negotiated openly with Arafat the head of the PLO. Why is discussing this childish – but making blanket, ahistorical insults about President Obama which nearly everyone on this site does, fine?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          mark says — “No I was responding to a poster, dan, who said that he thought U.S. policy was to never negotiate with terrorists”.
          You were? That doesn’t show up in your header.

      • NC

        BILL, since history and testimony under oath has placed Reagan up to his butt in the middle east mess before bush, the Crawford Cretin, and Obama ever arrived on the scene, the INTELLIGENT ARGUMENT is to lay all or a large part of it on Reagan since the effects of his blundering has never gone away! It was added to and made more complex
        by the bush and cheney foray into the area!
        “THEY WILL GREET US WITH CHOCOLATES AND FLOWERS”
        THE MISTAKE THAT KILLED 5000 AND WOUNDED 30,000 AND WILL COST US TRILLIONS BEFORE IT ENDS!

        • Bill

          Have you been drinking again, NC?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Two wrongs still do not make a right, mark, no matter how hard you Liberal Progressives try.

  • bdog

    the links to the quote from the “former” leader are not properly referenced by the daily caller, please provide where the original quote came from

  • nopc

    All I know is that Iran doesn’t own all of America’s major media. Iran doesn’t own or control the Federal Reserve. Iran doesn’t contribute over 50% of all financial contributions to both major parties or threaten our politicians if they don’t do what is best for Iran.

    Lindsey Graham did not commit treason and attack Chuck Hagel for putting the interests of the United States over those of Iran.

    We are allowed to criticize Iran and Iranians. We are not forced to give billions and billions of dollars every year to Iran. We are not forced to pay a kosher tax to Islam. It is not Iranian organizations in America that want our borders open. There is no American Iranian Political Action Committee that gets our children killed in wars for Iran and bankrupts our treasury. Its not Iranians that are a nation within a nation in our country. Mel Gibson and Paula Deen were not dragged through the mud and they did not have their freedoms and free speech taken away and their careers ruined by Iranians.

    • StinkBomb Jones

      I hear you on Israel & agree, but remember that we give the Palestinians & Egyptians billions too & their leaders steal it & do nothing for their people. Arafat’s wife was living in Paris & had 5 Mercedes! Arafat & the leaders there now are like Al Sharpton, they don’t want peace for then they would be out a job & people will see how bad they are! Arafat killed over 30,000 of his own people & squashed all dissent!

      They’re all nutso in that part of world, leave them alone already!!!

      Ron Paul is the only one with a clue…it’s time to stop propping up the Globalists & for that non-intervention policy he espoused over & over to be in place,, let the other nations chart their own courses already & BUTT OUT & save gold & blood!

      http://www.ronpaul.com/2007-10-21/interventionism-isolationism-actually-both/

      • nopc

        @stinkbomb but who is the cause of us giving all of that money to Arab nations? I don’t support any of it. I don’t want us to go to war with Iran either. This article is propaganda. Urging that we demonize the Iranians and Arabs but ignore the real problem people.

        As long as the Arabs are stuck in the middle east they are not a threat to us. They only become a threat when they migrate into Western countries.

        Why are they allowed to immigrate here? Non Iranian, Norbert Schiel, wrote and non Iranians got the 1965 Immigration Act passed into law.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          nopc, who are those problem people?

          • Prince Pablo

            You can’t tell, The Jews…or more appropriately , The Zionists!

      • Bill

        Good comment, Stink
        And while we are at it, let’s develop our own oil and gas, and not be dependent on the middle east

    • Bill

      Nppc,
      And your point is….

      • nopc

        Bless your heart Bill.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          nopc, I will echo Bill. And your point is ….

          • nopc

            Sigh. My point is that Iranians and Arabs in the middle east are not our problem. We will not be destroyed from without. These nations are not going to attack us any more than Cuba is going to attack us.

            We are being destroyed from within. The enemy is within.

  • red neck

    Smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors.
    This whole thing is just a cover-up for king obama and his string pullers.
    A distraction from the ever growing collapse of the USA under the rule of a tyrant.

  • Freespirit

    It is difficult to begin with you JOHN MYERS. I would swear you are talking about the U.S. Government and Israel when you say that Iran is “a prime sponsor of terrorism around the world” . I have never witnessed on Bob Livingston’s site such absolute and despicable lying as are those lies coming from you. I am disappointed that Bob allows you to write on his site. You cannot be so totally ignorant of the facts and truths about Iran, so I can only assume you have an ulterior motive- You could be a a cowering, boot-licking Christian fundamentalist or a Jewish Zionist. In either case you are definitely EVIL because your only intent seems to be to stir up more Islamic hatred. Fortunately for Humanity I believe and surely hope your type’s ( Establishment psychopaths) days are numbered

    • smilee

      The guys writing on this site always tell you the sky is pink when Obama has said iti’s blue. Whom would you believe??

      • Nadzieja Batki

        The Trinity of the Dems/Progs/Leftists right out front Freespirit, Karolyn and smilee.

        • Freespirit

          NOW you are just getting plain SILLY or maybe.just maybe, you don’t like to check your facts.

          • Karolyn

            Many people here have a hard time with reading comprehension unless you believe everything they believe completely and do not deviate from the prescribed script. There is no leeway. If you are a libertarian, you MUST adhere to the rules; and the same goes for any other ideology. I am primarily a libertarian, but because I have left leanings and also play devil’s advocate, I am a pariah amongst the traditional conservatives and libertarians who post here.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            No Karolyn, it is just that people have you figured out. Not one of us pigeonholed you, you did that all by yourself.

          • Karolyn

            As I’ve said before, picking and choosing what you want to focus on. Why do you never notice the times I agree with what is being said? Answer: Because your mind is made up, and it doesn’t matter what I say. Just seeing my name on a post is reason to give it a down arrow or an inane nasty response.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You are definitely not Libertarian, Karolyn. Don’t masquerade as something you’re not.
            But just to give you a chance to out yourself — What is the core belief of Libertarianism, in a sentence?
            You’ve heard me state it many times, so you have no excuse for not knowing it.

          • Karolyn

            Basically, personal freedom, limited government.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Close, but no cigar.
            The Core belief of Libertarianism is that we have a natural or god-given (depending on your belief system) right to control our own bodies and our own property as long as we don’t physically trespass on the bodies and property of others.

          • Karolyn

            Totally agree, Dave.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You do know that Property includes money, don’t you Karolyn? And thus nobody, not even Government, has a right to take that money from unwillingly people?

          • Karolyn

            I did say that I did not adhere strictly to any one ideology. I do believe that a certain amount of taxation is necessary for the general good. This is provided for in the Constitution. I do not hold with so much of the idiocy and waste that currently goes on in gov.
            I am very much against all the laws we currently have.. You have seen me post on that, I am sure. (especially the war on drugs and our rights to freedom to ingest certain foods and supplements that may be restricted by law).

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The Constitution provided for a tax from each state based proportionately on it’s population size. So, basically, every person payed the same. Progressives rammed through the 16th Amendment using the usual class-envy techniques of Progressive Leaders, and it’s been all downhill since.
            Most things that Government does could be done better by the Private Sector and done voluntarily. Of course that doesn’t feather the Leaders’ nests, so they Propagandize the ignorant people and grow their Power.

          • macgyver1948

            Yep, Karolyn, there are many here who may or may not have a problem with reading comprehension but a lot of responses indicate they do not want to agree so they get angry and distort what is often being said.

          • Freespirit

            Hi KAROLYN.The LEFT call me RIGHT and the RIGHT call me LEFT. I truly wonder that that means other than their complete IGNORANCE of ABSOLUTES

      • Bill

        Smelly,
        If you don’t agree with what is on this site, what are you doing here? Maybe you should go to the site for indoctrinated Marxists, which seems like more your style

        • Freespirit

          Maybe he wants to see if fools like you are still on

          • Bill

            Freespit,
            So you agree with Smilee. Now you are showing us your true colors

          • Freespirit

            So I see now you ALSO cannot read. I am referring to my comment about being a LIBERTARIAN, which, judging by your previous acknowledgement, you are AWARE of said comment. THAT, however, does not mean I have to agree or disagree with everything he says or will say

          • Freespirit

            So I see now you ALSO cannot read. I am referring to my comment about being a LIBERTARIAN, which, judging by your previous acknowledgement, you are AWARE of said comment. THAT, however, does not mean I have to agree or disagree with everything he says or will say

        • smilee

          This site keeps me thinking straight as it shows what is BS and keeps me from falling into it Why do you care anyway??

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Certainly not Obama.

      • Don 2

        Oh heck smilee, you know your unbiased opinion is the one we’ve been waiting for.

    • Karolyn

      Why do people like to fan the flames? I guess because bad news gets the most attention.

      • Cashu

        Why do some people want to ignore the obvious truth? I guess because shining any light on evil is disturbing to their “la la la, everything is beautiful.”

        If it bothers you so much, go somewhere you can feel comfortable.

        Cashu

        (By the way, Karolyn, it IS our problem right now. Do yourself another “distasteful” and check out what is happening in Deerborn, MI. What you deplore hearing about so adamantly is already here…)

        =====================

        • Freespirit

          I would say you are the one “”to ignore the obvious truth” judging by the lies posted by John MYERS

          • S.C.Murf

            Freespirit it’s TIME for you to make that popping sound

            up the hill
            airborne

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What lies has John Myers told, Freespirit?

          • Jana

            Ah ha, now we know WHO the one is that is lying. Freespirit just might as well have admitted it.

      • Don 2

        Karolyn,

        Get yourself a copy of the Hadith and know Islam better. You cannot put your head in the sand and expect it to go away.

      • Freespirit

        Sorry “Karolyn” I am not sure of your meaning or implication. If you are saying I am a trouble maker,your are right. I,however, use ABSOLUTES about RIGHTS to do it. Explain to me if I misunderstand you.

        • Karolyn

          I was not speaking of you, I was speaking of John Myers. I’m on your side.

    • Bill

      Freespit
      And what extremist group are you from?

      • Freespirit

        Actually “Bill” I was Libertarian, I would suggest, before you knew how to spell it!!! In 1974 I was a founding member of the FIRST Libertarian Party in Canada. I don’t support “Obomber” or ANY politicians.They are all thieves,Liars and Murderers ever since about 1888. check your history. The only hope WAS Ron Paul and we all know what happened there. Now the only hope is oathkeepers.org

        • Bill

          Freespit
          You think of yourself as so high and mighty and now you try and sell us some story that you are gods gift to libertarianism. Who are you trying to kid? You are full of it more than a Christmas turkey

          • Freespirit

            Bill you are only showing your ignorance, if you are implying I was not a founding member.The records are there with the Libertarian parties to prove what I say. considering the American UN-education system, I can understand your factual “oversight”. It also would explain your :”childish” retort

          • Bill

            Freespit,
            So you are saying that when you were young and dumb, you were a dreaded libertarian. But now you have been saved by the collectivist mindset as evidenced by your agreeing with Smilee.
            And you lash out at me with emotional assumptions based on your feelings because I point this out.
            Who are you trying to kid

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Who left the group, you or did the group leave you? Your comments do not read like a Libertarian and your snitty response to Bill prove it.

          • Cashu

            Methinks if you’re a founding member of the Libertarian party, you joined to stir chaos within that organization the same as you try to do on this board. To refer to yourself as a Libertarian is laughably ludicrous. You have no concept of Libertarianism, it is obvious to all here…

            Cashu

            ==========================

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What records are you talking about, Freespirit? And since we don’t know what your real name is, how could we verify such a thing even if we did have access to such records?

          • Freespirit

            So you not only want me to do your thinking, you want me to do your homework too???

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’m beginning to smell a Flashman personality here.

          • Freespirit

            Is that the BEST you can do-an unsubstantiated “smelly” accusation/insinuation???

            Time to grow up. …….You are entitled to YOUR OWN OPINION ,just NOT YOUR OWN FACTS

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Definitely a Shill.

        • macgyver1948

          Freespirit…. Way longer than “1888”. The US Founders left us with so many warnings but we still haven’t learned. Anyone enjoying the Government shutdown?.

          • TheOriginalDaveH
          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH… By whose reasoning? Really, they hijack and threaten for whom, certainly not us. Many are saying this will hurt more and more the longer it lasts so by whose reasonings? I guess what else could you decide to do?

            The Government could not be shut down completely or we would be taken over by even the smallest of nasty elements and watch us all starve. So for one of your suggested sites to say there are many government
            worker s who are still working is a moot point. I did read over 800,000 have been sent home because of this shutdown. Will the cheerful Right who support and made it happen pay for the rents and food and utilities for all those people/families out of their pockets in the man time?

            Since we are exchanging try this:

            http://wtvr.com/2013/09/30/government-shutdown-whats-closed-whats-open/
            Government shutdown: What’s closed, what’s open?

            Or this:

            http://crfb.org/blog
            The Economic costs of the Shutdown.

            TheOriginalDaveH… I guess it can depend on which side you choose to believe but just knowing there are many thousands laid off what choice is there unless
            you just do not care about those people as the TPGOP doesn’t. They TPGOP had to know there would be so many laid off before they turned
            off the ignition but they do not care or they wouldn’t do it.

            Many of the GOP and the Tea Party bosses are very wealthy so they have nothing to be concerned about. I personally called my local Social Security office this morning to find out how they will be affected.
            The recorded message said because of the Government shutdown most of their workers will not be working, I guess because they will not be paid.

            What an America for so many in our government to not care how they hurt so many and some irrecoverably. I still say, as the world watches:

            “I bet Al-qaeda and other terrorists are laughing it up. “Those American infidels in control, LOL. By shutting down their government they know how to hurt more Americans than we do. We should thank them. Let’s give them the gun salutes and cheer them on”.

            This is not funny but that is what we can have with the shutdown…

            TheOriginalDaveH, are you laughing now that your side is getting what they want??? And for whom are they doing all this for? I do not believe it is for us who are non-affluent but we do not count to the TPGOP so who cares??? I feel they should be arrested for treason and the longer the effects of the shutdown last the longer their residencies in Leavenworth Kansas
            should be.

            Are we still exchanging TheOriginalDaveH?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            MacGyver says — “worker s who are still working is a moot point. I did read over 800,000 have been sent home because of this shutdown. Will the cheerful Right who support and
            made it happen pay for the rents and food and utilities for all those people/families out of their pockets in the man time?”.
            They won’t need to. Those furloughed workers are eligible for unemployment benefits:
            http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/01/news/economy/shutdown-federal-unemployment-benefits/index.html

            If we could be so lucky as to actually have them permanently furloughed, the Private Sector, then being subject to much lower taxes would become robust once again and there would be plenty of jobs for them (if they really wanted to become productive).

            Speaking of National Parks (I know, we weren’t really), it has been my experience that the Park Officers were the people I needed to be protected from.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH… I was in a hurry when I typed the comment you are responding to, as I often am, so thank you for not commenting on my spelling errors and typos as some on here who cannot deal with substance do when they cannot find something else.

            Unemployment compensation is touchy at best, and not fun. Hopefully the shutdown will be over by the time they are receiving it. I will still say the longer it lasts the more the economy will be negatively affected. If
            the Government regroups as you say – with fewer people and lower taxes, there will be many necessary government departments who will be short-staffed and there will be less efficiency to deal with the growing population. I think I told you what the atmosphere was like when I called my local Social Security office this morning, the remaining employees were not happy with “Do more with less”. I remember when Walmart felt the need to cut expenses they decided to not hire the usual annual temp workers for the holiday season in many stores. The remainder permanent (whatever “permanent “ in retail stores means) workers were so over worked and the customers raised their levels of complaints, as well as the remaining associates/workers. Can you imagine so many fewer workers in large Super-centers, who ever the retailer, between just before Thanksgiving and New Years? What is “customer service”?

            You say “If we could be so lucky as to actually have them permanently furloughed…”. I see a whole lot of apathy and lack of compassion in you. We cannot have people like you in a free and compassionate
            country making decisions but we do on the Right, many, and that is why the TPGOP is running the shutdown, also greed. By the way, with so many corporate Execs, the real and only job creators for jobs in the private sector, not wanting to create jobs so they can keep money for themselves, and as much at the top as possible, your saying “If we could be so lucky as to actually have them permanently furloughed…” how will the unemployment problem be solved with more people “permanently furloughed”…?

            I will not argue with you about this but Right wing attempts to offer corporations incentives to create jobs, such as Trickle Down, mostly prove they do not work. Ya see, Trickle Down assumes the execs are
            not selfish and greedy to use TD as intended for it to work. The execs use it more as savings and corporate investments. We have a conundrum in this until we figure out better ways.

            We tried lowering taxes recently with the little bush tax incentives for his big corporate buddies and even though it was supposed to be “Temporary tax relief” where were the enough-jobs to help the country? Your side fought for those temp tax relief favors to be less
            “temporary” just because they didn’t want to disappoint the corporations, as well as to hurt Obama. The effect of that bush tax relief fiasco ran into Obama’s first term and many on your side blamed Obama for it but taxes were lowered for the corporations so what else matters? When will your political side show any concern for the non-affluent? Their
            accomplishments and attitude show your side as
            “Let’s just shut down the overnment, put a lot of people out of work because we can leave them to Unemployment, if we do not get what we
            want. The corporations will be happy so too will we. And let’s see how bad we can make Obama look to the country”. WOW!!!

          • Bill

            Mac,
            Why not try stimulating the economy through free market economics instead of destroying it with Marxist policies.
            Then everyone would be working you would not be whining

          • macgyver1948

            Bill… That is a great idea but who and why is anyone here trying to “destroy it with Marxist policies”? No one in on the Left would want that but it is in the minds of the Tea Party for you to believe and pass on. They must like you for how you respond to their brainwashing even if you do not know about it.

            Stimulating the economy would be a great idea if we can get the ones that could work going, unlike unrealistic attempts with Trickle Down” from the
            Right. :-)… You haven’t got a clue what I might be whining about. Do you really believe it is Government with stimulus that will get enough gobs created? You have not been watching with your eyes open
            if you do. The tiny bush also tried it with his “temporary” tax breaks for his wealthy buddies and the big corporations and that didn’t work but you guys enjoyed blaming Obama as the bush policies
            filtered over into the Obama Armin. Get a clue before you accuse with your sides ill-contrived BS generalizations such as your comment this
            time.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sorry MacGyver, but I can stand reading only so much of your pie-in-the-sky comments. Some other time.

          • Bill

            That’s the saddest story I ever heard

    • Average_Joe56

      Freespirit,
      You do an awful lot of rambling, yet say nothing. You say that Mr. Myers is telling untruths, yet you fail to adequately bolster your allegations by providing anything other than your opinion to back up those claims.
      Please sir, could you manage to give us a point by point analysis of what Mr. Myers said, that was incorrect? While you are at it, you may wish to consider adding verifiable “cites” that prove your allegations to be true… point by point.
      Simply ranting at us with your opinion, does not convince us in any way, shape or form. Facts are appreciated……opinion, not so much….we all have our own, thanks.
      Now, let’s see if you are capable of doing more…than just…..rambling.

      • Freespirit

        Here is only one for your small-minded abilities: http://www.badquaker.com/archives/2780

        If you need more let your fingers do the walking on the internet

        • Average_Joe56

          Didn’t understand the task? One “cite” and that’s your entire rebuttal? You have failed to follow directions. Re-read my post…and follow directions…if you are capable.
          Best of luck with your endeavor.

          • Freespirit

            …AND you RE-READ mine because it answered you IN ADVANCE, but thanks to the American UN-EDUCATION system you have missed it. YOU are too busy trying to WIN rather than be RIGHT…but then that is the American way isn’t it….WIN at any cost !!!!

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Freespirit,

      You write: ” I am disappointed that Bob allows you to write on his site.” Perhaps this will explain it. Please read to the end.
      http://personalliberty.com/2012/07/16/answers/

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Freespirit

        Yes BOB and I notice you included Libertarian but here is what a TRUE LIBERTARIAN should sound like and MYERS is in no way near a Libertarian but is in fact, judging by his words, a Christian Fundamentalist stooge for Zionism : http://rt.com/op-edge/netanyahu-un-nuclear-iran-633/ AND http://www.badquaker.com/archives/2780

        Best in return to you

      • Freespirit

        I failed to say what is really important Bob. The EVIDENCE and TRUE Facts about Iran are there for anyone who wishes to see them. They are not hidden. For JOHN MEYERS to say what he did about Iran are BLATANT LIES propagated by the Establishment which makes him a DECEIVER and in my mind one wiyh an evil ULTERIOR motive,OTHER than to inform. No matter his politics, I would not allow him to write for me. I don’t care about his politics.I do care about his INTEGRITY. that is my point.

    • John Myers

      Dear Freespirit,
      My best friend lives and works in Saudi Arabia and we Email daily. My father spent two days with the future King Fahd when he was then the Kingdom’s oil minister. My daughter-in-law is from the Middle East and her family had to flee when she was little because of the persecution of Christians. The city I live in his has one of the largest populations of Muslims in North America.

      What expertise can you claim regarding Islam?

      Sincerely,
      John Myers

      • macgyver1948

        John Myers… these are so sad but historically common events. For many centuries Islam has pounced on both Jews as well as Christians. It goes back a long time unfortunately.

        I do not have an idea on how to fix it but religion isn’t working, there are too many different kinds all wanting to be who they are. We also have to remember there are so many fewer Jews in the world today because of Islam than there would have otherwise been, it is not only a Christian thing.

        From history, in the days of Mohammad, for the most part Islam, Jews and Christians got along pretty well until Mohammed’s ego could no longer tolerate Jews and Christians not accepting him as God’s chosen one. There are still those emotions over there today. Unfortunately the West hasn’t helped much since with things such as the Crusades, the Church’s Jihad. To this day many Muslims tell their
        children the horror stories of the Crusades. How can that help to change things? But, we are still doing our western things by going there and taking over so there too we are not helping our “peace and get along” causes.

        I am so sorry your daughter-in-law and many others over there had to go through those things you mention. Currently the Syrian refugees are a concern but there are so many others as well.

      • Freespirit

        Did you notice I referred to your LIES about IRAN as YOUR example of Islam??? YOUR crude BAIT and SWITCH attempt will not work on me John.Stick with my point, but since you ask I have spent many months over the years in African countries and am quite familiar with ISLAM, thank you

      • Freespirit

        I forgot to give you a link which will help with your education. It is only one of MANY on the internet, so I suggest you let your “fingers do some walking ” to learn the TRUTH about IRAN. Maybe your lies are only mistakes, BUT I doubt it. You are ,in my mind, trolling for the Establishment. Here it is and it is RECENT: http://rt.com/op-edge/netanyahu-un-nuclear-iran-633/

  • Karolyn

    John Myers – the equivalent of an extremist Muslim blogger reciting all the ills of the US. Just what would John have us do??? We can’t change anybody else, so why keep reiterating all the terrible things that go on in the mideast? It is up to those people to change things – we have nothing to do with it.

    • John Myers

      Dear Karolyn,
      Nothing to do with it? Three wars in 22 years. Hundreds of billions spent on Middle East Oil. Sixty years of propping up governments, financing Israel, Pakistan, Egypt. If only we had nothing to do with it we wouldn’t face this hatred; this terrorism. We have everything to do with it and President Obama is only making it worse after he promised to make things better.
      Sincerely,
      John Myers

      • red neck

        John….
        obama has made things better… But NOT for America or Israel.
        I think that you would agree obama has “other” interest..

        • macgyver1948

          red neck.. since you are speaking in huge general terms who are you saying that to, the “I think that you would agree obama has “other” interest” part?..

      • Karolyn

        What I said was that it is up to them to change things, not up to us, and constantly beating the drum of how horrible they are solves nothing.

        • John Myers

          Karolyn,
          If this helps in any way to shape a new policy that is totally isolationist from the Middle East (no aid, no bases no troops) and we can implement zero immigration for people of Muslim religions, it will be a tiny drop in the good well.. My older brother worked for the Canadian immigration department in the 1970s. Canada did not allow Germans with Nazi Party affiliations to come to Canada. Karolyn, if you want to stop attacks like the Boston Bombings it’s time to leave Islam to itself. Unfair? Inquire about immigrating to Saudi Arabia. You we be told you can have a two year work visa if your work expertise is in high demand. You can only worship Allah and then you must leave.

          Sincerely,
          John Myers

      • TML

        “If only we had nothing to do with it we wouldn’t face this hatred; this terrorism.”

        Well, I gotta say, despite your completely erroneous article, I’m glad to hear that you at least have the fundamental causes correct. Some of your credibility is restored with your comment here.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          What parts were erroneous, TML? You know, I keep thinking that maybe you Liberal Progressives have a clue about some issues, but I rarely see you guys get down to brass tacks. Can you break that mold and tell us some specific issues you have with John’s article? And providing some evidence would be nice, also, since you are accusing John of making “erroneous” statements.
          Who knows, I might even agree?

          • TML

            I posted some of it above.

            Btw, I’m not a ‘liberal progressive’, and never defined myself that way. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a liberal progressive. Broaden your narrow world view, Anarchist Dave.

          • Snoopy Sanchez

            I have disagreed vehemently with TML on Iran in previous posts & articles & have never felt for a second that he was anywhere near being a “liberal Progressive”

            Actually, I agree with him on most things, except for Iran.

          • NC

            THL,IF ABORIGINAL DAVE “BROADENS” HIS VIEW THE CHECKS STOP! PLUS HE WILL HAVE TO RETURN HIS ONLY TOY! HIS MISES COLLECTION!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No TML, you are a Liberal Progressive. I’ve seen enough of your posts to assess that.

          • TML

            You are the first and only to call me a liberal progressive as if it’s a bad word. I guess I’d have to ask what is your definition of liberal progressive? Is that like saying ‘conservative regression-ist’?

            I describe myself politically as a “classical liberal”; Texan American atheist… some issues I am conservative, and some issues I am liberal.

            I’ve been on this site for a long time now, and it seems our disagreements have been fairly recent, concerning only the principles of international law, and and the ability of a county, city, or community to unilaterally secede from a sovereign state. Does that alone make me a liberal progressive?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Liberal, as in tree-hugging, redistributionist, iconoclast.
            Progressive, as in Big Government is the Solution.
            In actuality, of course, Progressives are anything but progressive. Their actions result in the opposite. They are taking us back to the days of serfdom, which is the historical norm of the human condition. Our Founders broke that mold for about 70 years, but now thanks to people like you, we are going right back down the Road to Serfdom.
            You are NOT a Classical Liberal, TML. First you guys steal the term Liberal from the Classical Liberals. Now you are trying to steal the term Classical Liberal. It doesn’t surprise me.
            Classical Liberals were those people called Liberals in the 18th and 19th century. They were very much like the modern day Libertarians.
            You may not be a Liberal, TML. I don’t read enough of your comments to determine that for sure. But you are certainly a Progressive. No Non-Progressive would stick up for an unelected body of Leaders who are appointed By the Leaders For the Leaders (UN).

          • TML

            It’s funny watching you try and label people. Classical Liberal defines me best, I think. How do you reconcile you very ignorant definition of liberal, with ‘classical liberal’? You are not any kind of true libertarian, Dave; you’re an anarchist, plain and simple. That is evident in your completely dubious argument that a city, county, or even community can unilaterally secede from a state.

            And if your memory wasn’t so terrible, you would remember that I support the idea of making UN representatives, elected by the people.

            Dave says, “I’ve seen enough of your posts to assess that.”
            Dave says, “I don’t read enough of your comments to determine that for sure.”

            So which is it, genius? Proof enough to show that your a lying anarchist who fancies himself a libertarian that worships mises instituted like the bible.

    • macgyver1948

      Karolyn..The
      immoral invasion of the little bush in Iraq shows what you are saying
      to be correct. We had no right to invade them but the Iraqi people
      had all the right if they could. This is especially true since
      we know the little bush lied through his teeth, to us – to Congress –
      to the UN and to the world, to get us to do his invasion. We should
      stick to going after only those who actually do attack us and perhaps
      to help our international friends if they get invaded or attacked.
      We are still paying out huge bundles today for the bush wars as our
      economy should be getting it. There are other things, such as some of
      the little bush budgets that are still screwing us up, but let’s
      stick to the little bush wars for here and now.

      • Bill

        Mac,
        Typical liberal diatribe, It’ all Bush’s fault. You are either an ostrich or you are showing us how dumb you are

        • macgyver1948

          Bill… Yep, I see there is something to you making it up that I am a “Marxist”. I see you are just one of those who cannot take differing views. So that says you have a problem with Liberty and the Constitution. Who is the brainwashed “diatribe” (denunciation? LOL) one when you seem to need to make up other people’s
          intentions and beliefs. Are you too, as many on your side of the aisle, gifted with the sense of mind reading? LOL. I am as much a “Marxist” as you are a Fascist/Nazi. Are you that Bill?

          Not everything is the tiny bush’s fault but many of this country’s current economic problems stem from him. Other presidents weren’t perfect either. Obama is not the cause of all humanities problems since Eve suckered Adam into eating the apple as many on the Right have been led to believe and pass on. Bill, are you one of those too?

      • Freespirit

        YET, and correct me if I am wrong but you seem to agree with John Meyers, who says Iran is the EVIL of this world.Do I misunderstand you? …and here is a recent article ( and one of many ) pointing out the hypocrisies and falsehoods regarding Iran. What is the difference between invading Iraq or Iran???

        • macgyver1948

          Freespirit… You are very correct, I do agree that Iran/Persia is a major evil nation, they always were throughout history.

          We had no moral right to invade Iraq; much of that was based on the lies of the little bush. Personally I do not feel we yet have a moral right to invade Iran. Maybe Israel has proof but do we yet? I want Israel safe but I have a moral conflict in that and I have problems
          with a contradiction for a so-called moral country doing the “Preemptive Strike” thing. Hitler did that and what were his reasons? Nothing moral about him. I believe if Iran finishes developing nukes, and there are articles which claim Iran is close with some adjustments in some of their nuke energy production, they will launch against Israel. Of that I have no doubt if they believe they can get away with killing enough Jews before they are addressed for it. There are also many Muslims living in Israel so to kill Muslims in the process is
          justified in the killing of Jews to Iran. Tell me, who does Iran worship, what God?

          I know I didn’t exactly answer your question but that is the best I can do on the question of differences between invading Iran vs Iraq..

        • macgyver1948

          Freespirit… You are very correct, I do agree that Iran/Persia is a major evil nation, they always were throughout history.

          We had no moral right to invade Iraq; much of that was based on the lies of the little bush. Personally I do not feel we yet have a moral right to invade Iran. Maybe Israel has proof but do we yet? I want Israel safe but I have a moral conflict in that and I have problems
          with a contradiction for a so-called moral country doing the “Preemptive Strike” thing. Hitler did that and what were his reasons? Nothing moral about him. I believe if Iran finishes developing nukes, and there are articles which claim Iran is close with some adjustments in some of their nuke energy production, they will launch against Israel. Of that I have no doubt if they believe they can get away with killing enough Jews before they are addressed for it. There are also many Muslims living in Israel so to kill Muslims in the process is
          justified in the killing of Jews to Iran. Tell me, who does Iran worship, what God?

          I know I didn’t exactly answer your question but that is the best I can do on the question of differences between invading Iran vs Iraq.

      • Freespirit
        • macgyver1948

          Freespirit… Thanks for the link… Netanyahi is scared as are all those living in Israel. We here would be too if we had to wonder if ‘today’ will be another terrorist attack or major invasion. That has been going on
          even before May 1948 when Israel became a sovereign state. They are constantly under threat and although I hate that Israel is so brutishly tough in Palestine I can understand why. There are many
          places in Palestine, especially in the occupied territories (which is why they are occupied), for terrorists who live among the civilian population to attack from. They live in fear daily and it is ironic
          that Israel for so long did not retaliate against terrorists after they became a state but they needed to start for survival reasons.

          The writer of your suggested article says Netanyahi
          “Sounds like a sociopath”. I say the writer sounds like he hates Israel and may be antisemitic so that is how I will take the article writer’s purpose. Israel is
          recognized as a legit country by the UN and most of the world in spite of what your article writer wants to convey to the contrary.

          • Freespirit

            I held you in higher respect, possibly, mistakenly, that you would never come up with that TIRED “anti-semitic” argument. It doesn’t work with INFORMED,intelligent individuals. John Myers even tried it with me and I totally eclipsed it in my answer to him ( above) . If you are being honest and NOT trolling you would know that VERY FEW JEWS in Israel are SEMITES. They are European Jews descended from KHAZARS who CONVERTED to Judaism, many moons ago.The ONLY true Semites in that area, other than a minority of Jews are ARABS and that means PALESTINIANS. Semitic Jews DID live in harmony with Arabs before Europeans INVADED Palestinian lands AND they were and still are in the MINORITY. It is European Jews and ZIONIST psychopaths who live their now IMMORALLY , I might add. I guess now you will call me anti-semitic……..for……telling a TRUTH and I am sure you know this is the truth.

          • macgyver1948

            Freespirit… “NFORMED,intelligent individuals”. Is that where you include yourself? HHHMMM. Ok if you say so but I see “”anti-Semitic” argument”s in you. I don not always agree with John Myers (I bet John is crying with how you responded to him, LOL),. As you might imagine, but I do agree with him this time.

            Among the many Jews in Israel there are current Semites and then there are those who were enslaved and sent to other parts of the world so many years ago from Israel who came back since Israel became
            a Legal Country in 1948. Many of those who returned are descendants of Jewish Semites. In your denials do you really believe there is not antisemitism in your wording?

            By the way, many PALESTINIANS were Egyptian originally and they migrated to that area. But to some extent you are right about who else is Semite in Israel. Now Israel is a Jewish Nation again and they are
            fighting for their survival.

            Oh boy. You say “Semitic Jews DID live in harmony with Arabs before Europeans INVADED Palestinian lands AND they were and still are in the MINORITY. It is European Jews and ZIONIST psychopaths who live
            their now IMMORALLY , I might add. I guess no w you will call me anti-semitic……..for……telling a TRUTH and I am sure you know this is the truth”.

            Many Jews as well as Christians lived in harmony with Arabs in those long gone days but events such as Mohammad’s ego not being able to take Jew’s and Christian’s disbelief that Mohammad is the true “God’s
            chosen one” sent Mohammad and his followers over the edge. That is still in the hearts and minds of many there today. There are other reasons why Arabs do not trust Jews and Christians of course, one for
            Christians are the Crusades and for Jews going back further maybe with how Arab descendants were no chosen by Abraham as main or even equal inheritors. There are so many reasons we many not be able to
            think about now but things today are as they are and we need to move on with peace and acceptances soon.

            The hatred has to stop before there can be a lasting peace and that has to start with the terrorists and not Israel. Israel cannot accept lasting peace without protections for their borders and in-country. It is hate that keeps the terrorists attacking Israel and Israel
            defending themselves, sometime in ways I do not like. I have a suggested way.

            If the countries who border Israel agree, and ALWAYS follow though, Israels neighbors, those who really want peace, should do border patrols and when a terrorist person or group do their nasty evil thing in and at Israel, the neighbors should over take them and send
            them back to Israel for their crimes. If the terrorists know the have no escape maybe the terroristic actions on their part will stop. Anyone who believes Israel enjoys and wants to occupy Palestinian is nuts.

            When you say things such as “ It is European Jews and ZIONIST psychopaths who live their now IMMORALLY” what else are we suppose to believe other than you are anti-Semitic when it comes to Jews? Maybe your truth and attitude.

            Shalom Freespirit.

    • NC

      Karolyn, FOLLOW THE CHECK!!!WHAT EVER THE PAYMASTER, MR. LIVINGSTON. WANTS THEM TO SAY, THEY SAY> SAME WITH THE PAID SHILLS HERE. MOST WITH TWO NAMES BUT THE SAME MESSAGE!” BE AFRAID, BE ANGRY AND ABOVE ALL BE OBEDIENT”
      CHECKS IN THE MAIL*
      * MINUS THE PAYMENTS FOR YOUR COMPULSORY GOLD PURCHASE AND YOUR 6 POUND OF VARIOUS WEEDS FOR YOUR HEALTH!(?)

      • Bill

        Nc
        I guess it is 5:00 somewhere in the world… Had a few drinks there, NC?
        I’ve finally figured you out. The drunker you get, the louder you shout

  • FLASHY

    Lol. last week when PLD had a tantrum about the President NOT meeting or talking with the Iranian president when both were at the UN, I noted the numbers who joined in the piling on against the President. I said ” wait a,week, PLD will have a topic lambasting President Obama FOR playing nice to Iran. “.. I also stated that many who were criticizing him for nit meeting with the Iranian president would also be the most vocal for playing nice.

    Fear, Hate, Ignorance. The TP/American Taliban trilogy. Don’t forget to send in your check ! Y’all are being played for suckers by those who care not one thought for anything but power, control, and taking you to the cleaners. LOL

    • Don 2

      Wrong Flashy! Last week we were rolling on the floor laughing at Obama at the UN, begging the Iranian president for a photo-op, so that he could impress the low-information Democrat voters.

    • red neck

      Flushy… Your rants are just a total waste and not worthy of reading.
      It doesn’t matter what your “president” does you will always blindly follow without question so it comes as no surprise that your rants are as empty as your head.

    • KG

      Thanks for your observations. Like they say ‘…the proof is in the pudding.’

    • Carlos

      Flashy, as usual, you twist the facts, “President NOT meeting or talking with the Iranian president” You make it sound like Barry snubbed them,

      Actually, the Iranians snubbed Barry twice, once at the UN and his phone call this week, Do you think they realize what we already know.

  • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

    THE DICTATOR IN THE WHITE HOUSE IS ONE OF THEM…THE ENEMY…NOT ONE OF US….HE IS NOT AN AMERICAN…

  • John Myers

    Dave,
    You should read up on Lord Halifax. He was all for England’s negotiations with Germany in 1937 and even said in a speech that Hitler was battling Communism and that the British Government must come to terms with Nazi Germany and Hitler.
    He thought this was owed because Germany had been treated unfairly in the Treaty of Versailles.

    Sincerely,
    John Myers

    • macgyver1948

      John Myers…. Hitler was a threat to humanity since before he lost it by the art world’s critiques of him and his paintings. We here in American stayed out of WW2 for as long as we did in a lot of ways because those big US business who were doing big business with Hitler wanted it to stay that way so they misinformed us about Hitler through the politicians they owned. .

      For the madness of Hitler to feel Germany was owed because Germany had been treated unfairly in the Treaty of Versailles we as well as Hitler should have remembered who was involved in starting WW1. Madness and evil can distort reality for the sake of their purposes as well as justify their causes. Well, at least in their minds. We see that still here too. Are you enjoying the government shutdown?

      • Bill

        Mac,
        They forgot to close down the IRS and NSA while they were at it. So, it is not really a shut down, it is more a dog and pony show

        • macgyver1948

          Bill… That “dog and pony show, as you call it, is still hurting so many people, more so the longer it is in place. I am not loving the IRS but the government needs some agency to manage taxes for budgets. Now
          NSA and Homeland Security I would not miss. And there are probable other agencies that can use some analysis. I think The FDA needs to be restructured and also be regulated (yeah, I feel that government agency, and maybe others, should be regulated) but that is a huge
          story to go into now but the FDA is not on our side. In the mean time there are so many needed corporate regulations that need to remain.

          • Bill

            Mac,
            I agree with putting a leash on the FDA but not keeping draconian regulations on business. If you want more jobs to be created you have to remove the regulations that are forcing business’s to go to part time help or outsource to other countries

          • macgyver1948

            Bill… If we want anything good to happen we need regulations if we do not want to pollute the water, land and air. I know regs increase corporate expenses but they have to take responsibility for their pollutions and other actions and they would not do what if they
            didn’t have to if it meant it would cost them more. China has very few regulations and in many cities many people have to walk around with some kind of protective masks. Much of their water there needs
            to be boiled before drinking. Industrial pollution
            there extends beyond many cities. Much fewer regs, much more pollution. By the way, fracking and oil pipe lines causes a lot of destruction and pollutions too. That you should read about, there is more than enough of that on the Internet.

            The fight by the Right to deregulate is to help corporations lower expenses without regard for environment quality, or for us too. Tobacco causes many diseases, another poison issue we need to
            eliminate, but so does corporate pollutings. The Right does what they are told when it comes to their work in Congress and so much of their efforts is to protect and defend the corporations.

            Sending jobs overseas was yet another political effort/protection for the corporations to lower expenses. NAFTA was an example of how we
            citizens were of no concern. Yes, I know Bil Clinton supported NAFTA but even he made mistakes, ask Monica and Hilary, LOL.

            I bet there are some regs that can be eliminated and others that should be looked at but if we want to continue to only worry about the stuff the FDA allows in our food sources, in the “approved ingredients”
            and the additives that are poising us, and the Legal Pharms they allow that cause other medical problems for us, we need to work on what ever that should protect us until we get a decent for all-of-us
            FDA. There are many big corporations operating in the Black but yet they still will not create enough jobs. Keeping expenses down is more important than helping the country to the Corporation like that and
            the Right Politicians who work for them.

            I can believe there are politicians on the Left who also help corporations that same way but not nearly as many as are on the Right. Over 270 GOP Congressional politicians pledge to work and do
            “As they are told” and then there are others, such as Rand Paul, who also do.

  • Phibbs

    The CIA overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran in 1953 and installed a dictator. Also, the “American” government also looked the other way when Saddam Hussein gassed iranian troops in the 1980s. Finally, The Congress has imposed sanctiions on Iran when it is less of a rogue state than Israel, which receives $3 billion a year in aid from the American taxpayer, courtesy of Congress.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So in effect what you are saying is that the “government” of Iran and the shufflers had a price tag that they were showing and were willing to be bought and fed and pampered by whoever had the money and then the Iranians did a double-cross.
      America has this incredible urge to make pets out of the whole of the world and its humanity and then have them beholden to us for all their feedings. When only some of the predators get fed and the rest go hungry they turn on us.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    It seems to me that all the disparate opinions on this board provide darn good evidence as to why we need to butt out of other countries’ business. We can’t even get along here, and we think we know what’s best for the people in other countries?
    That also is true for the ridiculous concept that Government can make everybody happy. No Central body of people knows what is best for everybody else. The Bigger Government gets, and the more of us they try to cram in the same shoes — the more turmoil and unhappiness there will be. It’s either that, or we will be beat-down serfs not daring to open our mouths for fear of retribution from the PTBs.
    We need to butt out of other people’s business — Both here and abroad.

    • KG

      Don’t tell that to your conservative Neo-con buddies. The same group that’s responsible for the Iraq misadventure as well as our lack of initiative in Afghanistan. The Fuhrer…oh..sorry, Mr President….”W” wanted to force the hand of G-d by attacking the guy he thought would be the Antichrist.

      You are right, Government can not make everyone happy – especially those who DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOVERNMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE! However, just as our Founding Fathers presented clearly in the Constitution :

      We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

      Note that Jefferson et al didn’t say ‘…a Perfect Union…’. So in this sense our Constitutional Democratic Republic should be in a constant striving for the ‘…more Perfect Union….” that we all wish for ourselves. For where there is no Government, there is no Civilization. And where there is no civilization, there is no freedom for anybody except the most violent and powerful.

      However, Libertarians, like Satanists and Nazis, believe that they have that power for themselves so Government becomes superfluous in their demented little world.

      • Faith
        • KG

          I’m sorry that your name is ‘faith’ because it seems as though you have a ‘blind faith’ towards goofy right-wing nutballs like Alex Jones and Dr Jerome Corsi. Corsi was a prime mover in the ‘Swiftboat’ propaganda war against the war hero Secretary of State John Kerry. As well as the same jokers behind WND – a known right-wing propaganda outlet that’s owned by the same people who run Newsmax.

          When the CIA was assessing the Cold War threat in the1950’s, the American espionage establishment had operated on the assumption that Islam was inherently anticommunist and therefore could be harnessed to facilitate U.S. objectives. American officials viewed the Muslim Brotherhood as “a secret weapon” in the shadow war against the Soviet Union and its Arab allies.The United States “made common cause with the Brothers” and used them “to do our dirty work in Yemen, Afghanistan, and plenty of other places.” This dicey covert relationship unraveled when the cold war ended, whereupon an Islamic Frankenstein named Osama bin Laden lurched into existence.

          • Guest

            ‘Of cause’ you watch the Vide, do you KG?

          • Jana

            I am sorry that you are such a nutball.

          • BrotherPatriot

            I think I threw up in my mouth a bit when I read, “war hero John Kerry”…I mean…seriously? Can those words really be spoken together by anyone? Apparently it takes a “special” kind of person to do so…*sigh* KG…*sigh*

      • macgyver1948

        KG… There have been so many anti-Christs if we believe the Right so how will we know when the so-called real thing pops up? He hasn’t yet that we really know of.

        You quote Jefferson nicely. There are lots of things Jefferson says that are meant I guess they do not want remember some of his quotes. to be forgotten by the Right. I like your last sentence but you could have added Tea. Oh wait, maybe you dd among the 3 you do mention by name.

        You mention “Government can not make everyone happy – especially those who DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOVERNMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE!”. In that too you are right especially when there are those here who will never allow for fair government unless they themselves are totally in control.

        • Jana

          The anti Christ has not yet come. When you hear peace peace, that is when you better watch out. It is not yet time. We will have forerunners of the anti Christ.

          • macgyver1948

            Jana… Just to explain. Being Jewish I do not believe in the opposite of Jesus because I do not believe in Jesus. We all have the God-given and, here in America, Constitutional right to believe as we choose.

            There is evil in the universe but most of what we encounter here on Earth is from men who choose to do evil. Criminal insanity is something I will not go into because I can’t.

          • Jana

            macgyver,
            You have that right and I honor that right. One of my dear girlfriends has moved back to Israel and I miss her. She looks like she belongs to my family. I honor that right with her too.

            When we met, people thought we were sisters. She speaks Arabic ( several of the dialects).
            We are all responsible for what we know.
            YHVH blessings

          • Jana

            Please do not be offended if I explain something as I did above such as about the anti Christ. That is never my intention.

          • ron

            God did nor give you “a right” to believe as you choose…he gave you the ability to choose right from wrong (good or evil) and he asks that you choose good and suffer the consequences of choosing evil!!! The Constitution is mans’ laws but they follow on the belief in God and God’s laws are the 10 Commandments in which He demands we follow!!!!

          • macgyver1948

            ron… I am not sure what your upbringing is so I will not even guess. But how I was brought up and in my readings of my bible and the Christan Bibles I see God as giving us “Free Will”. To every person I have
            ever spoken with, whatever their religion and their feelings on the subject, “Free Will” means we get to choose what religion we want and how we relate to God through based on how we choose to believe.

            We do have the ability and right to choose evil although I cannot understand why anyone would. But along with our “Free Will” comes the judgment of our actions assuming we believe God is the Judge. We
            also have the right to be atheists, that belief system too I do not understand. We choose and God reacts to our actions at our respective judgment time. Much of what we do is based on how we believe. What would be the point to being human if we couldn’t make our own choices and that includes what makes the most sense to us in how be believe? I cannot be a Christian because I chose to believe what makes the most sense to me in religions.

            Ron, I cannot agree with you on this but that too is my choice as your belief system is your right.

        • Bill

          Mac,
          Another Marxist has joined the KG brigade

          • macgyver1948

            Bill… Yeah, who is that? It can’t be me as a “Marxist” because I hate Communism and Fascism or Talibanism or anything which eliminates or controls individual and human rights and freedoms. You couldn’t have gotten that from my comment to KG unless you make it up. Anything to that?

      • rhondareichel

        The founders NEVER intended for the government to grow so monsterously huge. They put limitations….and they are being ignored. Libertarians don’t want law? That’s not true. LIbertarians believe that as long as you are not harming others the govt. has no right to bother you. What is wrong with that?
        We have micromanagment now.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        You are Evil, KGB. So you must be a Satanist.
        How much do you get paid for your Shilling, Cagey?

        • KG

          I know you are a quasi-non believer, so your judgement of what’s ‘evil’ or ‘good’ comes from your OWN ‘sense’ of evil and good – the very sin that caused Adam’s and Eve’s expulsion form the Garden of Eden.

          Ask yourself, at what point did Adam and Eve sin? Was it when they ate the fruit? Or was it when they JUDGED the fruit as ‘good’?

          BTW i get paid in the insults and death threats I receive here. That tells me I’m doing a good job at pizzing off the Religious Right Libertarian Nazis!

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfUM5xHUY4M

          • Jana

            KG,
            You may receive insults on this site, but they are of your own making because you are so ridiculous in your assertions. Remember we just discussed you show your works because of your faith? Where are such works here? Would you write like this to God? Really would you?

            Then you say you have received death threats. WHAT????

            I think you are mentally off. I really do.

          • Bill

            Jana,
            Kg preaches racism and hatred, and he quotes the bible.
            He is deranged. He is probably a victim of liberal thinking and it is not his fault.
            That is why he drinks all of the alcohol and takes drugs

          • KG

            I hope I didn’t give the impression that I, by my own human nature, could possibly offer any kind of ‘works’ that are worthy to a Holy and just G-d. If anything, it’s my ‘lack of Faith’ that shows my contingency upon Providence. If I REALLY had ‘faith’, I would do what Christ said to do:

            Matthew 19:16-22
            King James Version (KJV)
            16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
            17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
            18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
            19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
            20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
            21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
            22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Beyond a shadow of a doubt, KGB, you are a Shill. And you are Evil, by anybody’s standards.

          • Bill

            Don’t let Kg get under your skin, Dave
            He is either an alcoholic or druggie that gets drunk or high and makes up stuff on the net. He is becoming a joke

          • KG

            DIAMOND HEAD
            Am I Evil Lyrics
            My mother was a witch, she was burned alive.
            Thankless little b!#@h, for the tears I cried.
            Take her down now, don’t want to see her face
            All blistered and burnt, can’t hide my disgrace.
            Twenty-seven, everyone was nice.
            Gotta see ‘em make ‘em pay the price.
            See their bodies out on the ice.
            Take my time.
            Am I evil? Yes I am.
            Am I evil? I am man, yes I am.

            If you are human…..

          • Bill

            Kg,

            So, let’s see; You are an admitted communist, but you quote the bible. You say Jesus was a communist and you believe in him, but you come on this site at preach racism and hatred.

            Hum… It sounds like you are a little confused. Are you sure you are not an alcoholic that drinks all day and makes up stuff on the net

          • KG

            What would make you think that I’m a racist? What would give you the impression I ‘hate’ anyone? It’s clear from your question that YOU may suffer these ‘shortcomings’ as Bill W would say. Go pray the third step prayer, do another inventory, and call your sponsor because everybody who is an Alcoholic knows that they are ‘powerless’ and needs someone to run their lives for them. And you local ‘alcoholic’ losers would LOVE to ‘help’ you run your life.

          • Bill

            Kg
            Just read back your own comments. They are filled with hatred and racism

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Cagey, as hard as you lie there is no Conservative or Libertarian who does not believe in Government. Government was instituted by God of the Bible to protect man. Your Dem/Prog/Leftist version of Government rules over man and uses tyranny on them.
        You are not so adept at semantics.

      • Bill

        Kg,
        That a pretty funny comment. You need to start your own reality show and feature your accumulation of tinfoil hats

        • KG

          ROTFLMAO! AFK! BRB! OMG! LTR!

          • Bill

            Kg,
            So, was that a 5 beer comment

    • John Myers

      Well said OriginalDave!
      Best,
      John Myers

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Thank you, John.

    • ron

      In today’s world almost all gov’ts are pure evil, with a agenda that most are blind to. We (the people) will never agree on most topics…but most people in this world want peace (good), and anything else is just evil and evil craves the destruction of societies for the purpose of these agenda’s. That is why Christ will come back and destroy this evil..in the meantime people can choose which side they prefer…good/evil… and why we will continue to disagree!! And i guess we will only find out when we die or when Christ returns… in our time!

      • Prince Pablo

        Many of the leaders in our govt. & throughout the world & the overwhelming number of those who make up the power elite & NWO people who pull their strings are fallen angels, Nephilim & the Watchers reembodied on earth. See the BOOK OF ENOCH…we are talking PURE EVIL here as Ron says.

        The Second Coming of Christ, is His coming into our hearts & souls for good….the earth & all thereon right now are experiencing The Judgement as we move form The Piscean Age into The Age of Aquarius, there will be a great cleansing & purification before the Age Of Freedom, which Aquarius represents will come…there is no other way!

    • Bill

      Amen, Brother Dave

  • TML

    John says, “Iran — the greatest criminal nation on the planet.”

    Extremely debatable assertion.

    John says, “Obama lost track of the fact that Iran is a proponent of Islamic law and is a prime sponsor of terrorism around the world.”

    Islamic law in their own country is their right. And being a prime sponsor of terrorism is debatable as well considering that one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. Hezbollah, let’s not forget, was formed as a direct response to Israel’s illegal invasion of Lebanon in 1982. Iran trained them, and helped them with weapons… no different than America’s arming and training of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda to fight the Russians. Depending on the perspective, it could easily be said that America is a prime sponsor of terrorism, even while claiming a war on terror. After all, America was even convicted in the world court for state sponsored international terrorism under Reagan’s Iran/Contra scandal.

    John says, “an Iranian official promised to slaughter Americans… …told Iran’s Assembly of Experts… … that Iran will provide brutal support to save the Syrian regime.”

    John says, “According to The Daily Caller, a former high official”

    But not said by the Supreme Leader, who is the ultimate authority. In other words, their words don’t matter, and considering that one is a former high official (who has no authority or speaks on the behalf of the Iranian State) and the other merely speaking to the ‘Assembly of Experts’ (who did not heed his remarks), this is all a bunch of fear mongering fluff designed to demonize Iran without good reason. Especially when such things were said in the interest of defending Syria, which we do not have the authority to invade or bomb anyway.

    John says, “Rouhani succeeded former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who said Jews are “the most detested people in all humanity.””

    Rouhani is not Ahmadinejad. Rouhani has actually made statements against the holocaust. Rouhani does describes Israel as “an occupier and usurper government” that “does injustice to the people of the region, and has brought instability to the region, with its warmongering policies.”… but I happen to agree with that.

    John says, “A just-released Pew Research Survey shows that 62 percent of Palestinians say suicide bombing is justified.”

    Oh come on John, don’t pick and choose….

    “In many of the countries surveyed, clear majorities of Muslims oppose violence in the name of Islam. Indeed, about three-quarters or more in Pakistan (89%), Indonesia (81%), Nigeria (78%) and Tunisia (77%), say suicide bombings or other acts of violence that target civilians are never justified. And although substantial percentages in some countries do think suicide bombing is often or sometimes justified – including a 62%-majority of Palestinian Muslims, overall support for violence in the name of Islam has declined among Muslim publics during the past decade.” http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/

    Gee, the one place that is being illegally occupied both militarily and settlement (colonial) by America backed Israel.

    John says, “Ayatollah Khomeini as reportedly found in Tahrir al-Vasileh:
    A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, however selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.”

    Even according to your Wikipedia link the sources are “Straight Dope Message Board” and “Yahoo Answers”

    You are losing all credibility.

    What is the purpose of this article if not to entice interventionism or war through prejudice and fear?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSe7hvj20GQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLjRkrTxkzY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf3fcoXx0pI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Jg41szSg4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D61uriEGsIM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scQ8ta0SBaA

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      TML says — “After all, America was even convicted in the world court for state sponsored international terrorism un Reagan’s Iran/Contra scandal”.
      Any evidence for that claim, TML?

      • TML
        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Thank you.
          It does make me wonder, though, since you seem to be keenly aware of the follies of Leaders, why you would want to compound that by allowing us to be sucked into a One-World Government (via the UN)?

          • TML

            I vehemently oppose any idea of a one world government, but I support the principles of international law, which are largely based on the same philosophies that many of our founders held, or even those such as John Locke. For example, our Constitution does not anywhere explicitly forbid the United States from holding interventionist, imperialist policies (although many of our founders spoke eloquently in dissent of such policies) – outlawing of acquisition of land through war and conquest; wars of aggression; ect. – but it is encoded into international law. It is also part of the Charter that such entity (the UN) has no rightful jurisdiction concerning domestic laws. For those countries which otherwise might act like Hitler, I think such a framework for member states is a good thing. We simply have to keep our wits about us and congress not to accept treaties that would result in violations of domestic law in the United States. Is there a better idea that might not invoke fears of a one world government? I’m all ears.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            TML says — “It is also part of the Charter that such entity (the UN) has no rightful jurisdiction concerning domestic laws”.
            You keep saying that, but I have already proven that the UN operates in member countries.
            http://www.un.org/en/members/
            http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/
            It’s just a matter of whether the Leaders invite them in or not. When our own Leaders have become despotic (I believe they already are), why do you suppose the UN wouldn’t protect them?
            The UN is an organization established By Leaders For Leaders. What better way to protect tyrants from overthrow than to have an International organization of Leaders to protect their own?
            Our Federal Government also started out as a body with very limited Powers. Now our Federal Government is running amok both internationally and domestically. You are naive, TML, if you don’t think the UN will someday do the same.

          • TML

            DaveH says, “The Federal Government also started out as a body with very limited Powers. Now our Federal Government is running amok both internationally and domestically. You are naive, TML, if you don’t think the UN will do the same.”

            True… which is why I stay well read and versed (or try to) concerning what is going on with the UN in addition to our own government. But just as the fact that our government has run amok, doesn’t mean we should dissolve the Constitution, so too does the fact that the UN may attempt to (and has) run amok (allowing Saddam to use chemical weapons on Iran for 8 years, for example) is no reason to dissolve the principles of international law.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            We don’t need the UN now any more than we needed it 100 years ago.

          • TML

            Granted… What is ‘your’ resolve?

          • WTS/JAY

            He just gave it to you; “we don’t need the UN now any more than we needed it 100 years ago”.

          • TML

            And the century before that? Why was the UN created?

            Riddle me this

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The UN was created because FDR wanted to be the World Leader. He wanted that so much that after fighting a World War, supposedly to free people from the tyranny of Hitler, that he turned them over to the tyranny of Stalin to get “Uncle Joe” to join his UN.
            http://library.mises.org/books/John%20T%20Flynn/While%20You%20Slept.pdf
            http://library.mises.org/books/John%20T%20Flynn/The%20Roosevelt%20Myth.pdf

            The Puppet Masters have been pulling the strings for the last 100+ years in an effort to achieve their One World Government, and they may be closer than ever to achieving that goal.
            http://www.thedailybell.com/1936/Anthony-Wile-with-Dr-Hans-Hermann-Hoppe-on-the-Impracticality-of-One-World-Government-and-Western-style-Democracy.html
            NAFTA and the New World Order:
            http://mises.org/econsense/ch88.asp

          • WTS/JAY
          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Thanks, Jay.
            No doubt the thumbs down came from TML. Liberal Progressives hate it when somebody proves them wrong.

          • TML

            I’ve already proven you wrong many times. Anarchist Dave

          • TML

            LoL… more mises. The UN was created because FDR wanted to be the ruler of the world…. ? You are simply pathetic, lol

            Here is why it was created.

            – To save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and

            – To reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and

            – To establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained

          • WTS/JAY

            A riddle indeed, TML. Perhaps that may best describe the UN; a riddle. Nothing more.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What do you think the odds are, Jay, that TML will read the articles and books that I posted below?

          • WTS/JAY

            Slim to none…?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            We butt out of other countries’ sovereign business and trade freely with whoever we want (we the people).

          • Mole Johnson

            I think the UN building would make a wonderful housing complex …

          • TML

            DaveH says, “You keep saying that, but I have already proven that the UN operates in member countries.
            http://www.un.org/en/members/
            http://www.un.org/en/peacekeep…”

            I also pointed out the scope of those peacekeeping missions were limited to protecting civilians, and providing humanitarian aid; not to execute laws, or use force.

            You then stated that they could take our guns under the auspices of “protecting civilians” and while I think that to be a bit paranoid, I did mention my resolve concerning that, if you remember.

            DaveH says, “It’s just a matter of whether the Leaders invite them in or not. When our own Leaders have become despotic (I believe they already are), why do you suppose the UN wouldn’t protect them?”

            And my resolve for that would be the same (resistance), although I think a full State secession would come first. I doubt anyone in this country would be ok with UN soldiers being used to quell a rebellion or insurrection in this country.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Your resolve, after they have mounted the effort to take our guns or our Freedom, will be too late.
            TML says — “I also pointed out the scope of those peacekeeping missions were limited to protecting civilians, and providing humanitarian aid; not to execute laws, or use force”.

            One guy’s “peacekeeping” is another guy’s “forcible intervention”.
            You have become repetitive, TML. You are boring me.

          • TML

            “Your resolve, after they have mounted the effort to take our guns or our Freedom, will be too late.”

            Highly debatable

            “One guy’s “peacekeeping” is another guy’s “forcible intervention”.
            You have become repetitive, TML. You are boring me.”

            You’re rather repetitive yourself, honestly. But a agree with that statement.

        • John Myers

          Too funny TMK
          You just finished calling people that use Wikipedia hacks and yet your first reflex when asked a question is? Wikipedia!
          John Myers
          PS – What is the Latin word for irony?

          • TML

            No I didn’t, I just always check the sources. I suggest you do the same.

        • WTS/JAY

          TML said earlier: University of Wikipedia? lol…. no, just pointing out that the Wikipedia sources for those quotes is not credible, and even the offered translation of those parts does not condone the acts.

          • TML

            References at the bottom of Wikipedia pages, people! Anyone can edit a Wiki page! Ugh!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Anybody can post a comment here. Ugh!

    • John Myers

      TML,
      Have you read: Kingdom: Kings, Clerics, Modernists, Terrorists and the Struggle for Saudi Arabia? For that matter have you ever read a book on Islam?
      Does your best friend live in Saudi Arabia?
      Was your daughter-in-law’s family persecuted in Lebanon and forced to flee?
      Did you father spent two months living in Saudi Arabia and meet the Royal Family?

      You TML have the lazy habit of not doing any real research, having no real life experience — not the writers at PLD.
      Most sincerely,
      John Myers
      PS — do you have “your” degree from University of Wikipedia?

      • TML

        Argumentum ad Auctoritatem through anecdotal evidence as a form of ad hominem, does not make your words factual. How about actually addressing my statements.

        And yes, I’ve done extensive research, and even read the Qur’an twice front to back, and have 4 close friends who are Muslim (even though I am atheist).

        University of Wikipedia? lol…. no, just pointing out that the Wikipedia sources for those quotes is not credible, and even the offered translation of those parts does not condone the acts.

        • John Myers

          TML
          You use big words to intimidate and then proclaim that your experiences are true. Unless you live in a city like Cairo I believe your claim about 4 friends is nonsense.
          Unlike PLD writers whose experiences are verifiable, you can make up anything you want about how educated you are, your worldly experiences, etc. For all I know you are a 19-year old pimple faced boy. You reason and write like one that’s for sure.
          Sincerely,
          John Myers

          • TML

            “You use big words to intimidate and then proclaim that your experiences are true. … …Unlike PLD writers whose experiences are verifiable, you can make up anything you want about how educated you are, your worldly experiences, etc.”

            You accused me of having no life experiences; I told you what they are, and even now continue to try belittling them while claiming your own anecdotal evidence is ‘verifiably’ superior.

            “For all I know you are a 19-year old pimple faced boy. You reason and write like one that’s for sure.”

            I was thinking the exact same thing about you, but closer to the maturity level of a 12 year old.

            Good day

          • John Myers

            If superior then reveal yourself.
            Where can we all read you. You must be published. How about your real name, education and the city where you live?
            Talk is cheap when your identity is hidden, isn’t it TML?
            John Myers

          • WTS/JAY

            Well said, John!

        • Jana

          And yes, I’ve done extensive research, and even read the Qur’an twice
          front to back, and have 4 close friends who are Muslim (even though I am
          atheist).

          Reading something such as the Qur’an front to back or even the bible is absolutely WORTHLESS. You actually have to put some work into it and STUDY IT!!

          Your Muslim friends only know what their Imam tells them so, the point here is SO MUCH FOR THAT RESEARCH!!, if that is what you were bragging on being research.

          • macgyver1948

            Jana… Did you read the Qur’an in the original Arabic form? Translations tend to water down or affect/change the original meanings.

          • Jana

            macgyver,
            I have not read the Qur’an cover to cover. I have studied some of the Qur’an and some of the Hadiths, and no, not in the original Arabic as I don’t speak Arabic. There are at least ten dialects I believe. ( I have studied all I wanted to know of it that is for sure)

            I have studied and continue to study the Bible in depth however, and do have the tools to go into the old Hebrew and Aramaic as well as the Greek, and the Chaldee.

          • macgyver1948

            Jana… The Original Qur’an was in one dialect, the one Mohammad knew and maybe the original, and I believe the different dialects grew over years as people spread around in the Middle East, which is how many
            different languages grew since the beginning.

            It might be interesting to chat with you with your experiences with the Qur’an and your friend in Israel. I read the entire Catholic and King James versions because I wanted to learn about other people as a
            socialists might but I am not a socialist. I read pieces of the Qur’an but I remember reading that many of the terrorists , and Muslims in the world too, do not speak Arabic. In those cases the teachings are in the native languages of the students and much is missed in translations to those languages, and interpretations are often what the teachers want for the students. It would probably take me forever to learn the original Arabic so there many not be that incentive for me to try.

            I look for the same thing in the original Hebrew for actual translations of Torah and the rest of the Hebrew Bible but I have to rely on the rabbis for help. I forgot a lot of the Hebrew language since I was a kid in Hebrew school, no one to practice with. I have a pretty good software translator for Hebrew but it is not the same as
            a Rabbi.

            The only ways we can learn about other people is by going in with a Golden Rule approach n and maintaining it. I commend you for your saying “You have that right and I honor that right”. I always respect how others believe and accept going in but there are times when that gets difficult when some get insulting and disrespectful.

            Jana,,, You say “Please do not be offended if I explain something as I did above such as about the anti Christ. That is never my intention.”

            I would expect you to explain a thing from your position of belief. I try never to see a negative in how something is explained from a person’s perspective. When people tell me how wrong my beliefs are,
            as well as my bible for us Jews, then I get a bit defensive but I would try to ask what they really mean.. I will take no offense if none is intended. I believe “To each his/her own faith” and then we can share views as adults. You were fine in your comment.

          • Bill

            Mac,
            Have you read it

          • macgyver1948

            Bill… Not much at all to say I have. I have Muslim friends in Egypt and Jordon and The United Arab Emerits and they answer my questions. That is as close as I
            get other than the tiny bit of the Qur’an I did read. They know I am Jewish and American.

        • Cashu

          Ad hominem… This twit believes that any time anyone has the temerity to disagree with his “august” pronouncements, it has to be an ad hominem attack on him, where he is the innocent victim. It’s his last bastion of defense to call his opponents persecuters, be they school officials or posters. It’s time to just simply ignore this piece of institutionalized stupidity. Because of his viciousness, his pettiness and his bias, his views are inconsequential…

          Cashu

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      • Freespirit

        People in Glass houses shouldn’t throw stones John Meyers. You are and you know you are, LYING about Iran by saying it is the greatest Criminal Nation in the world, and I guess you will call this writer a liar also: http://rt.com/op-edge/netanyahu-un-nuclear-iran-633/

        There is a word for someone who deliberately misinforms and the NICEST word I can think of is a TROLL

        • John Myers

          Freespirit,
          I don’t think you understand what “people that live in glass houses” means. I don’t live in Israel and I am not a Jew. In fact I think Israel should not receive any American aid.
          I am not a liar but I recognize an anti-Semite when I read one.
          Question: would you rather live in Israel or Iran? In Iran you couldn’t even write such a post. That sounds like a country where your “Freespirit” to get quashed.

          Sincerely,
          John Myers

          • Freespirit

            VERY WEAK retort John.You truly are getting desperate to SUPPORT the UNSUPPORTABLE. But just to answer your silly question,truth is I wouldn’t live in EITHER country. I know I am right about your LIES
            and YOU know I am right.THAT is what counts in the REAL WORLD.

          • Mole Johnson

            I dont care what anyone says, I love Israel. I also hope they turn most of the middle east to crater glass!

      • amy stevens

        What is most shocking is that Myers is soooo desperate and paranoid that he would attempt to spread this disinformation and propaganda at this stage when we know who the actual terrorists are; The Saudi/Israeli/CIA front. The same axis of terror that was behind 9/11, global false flags car bombings/terror, assassinations of Iranian scientists/students, Benghazi/Libyan Al-Qaida, Beslan massacre of children, and arming the Taliban.

      • amy stevens

        I really can’t believe what I am reading from this Myers guy. That someone could be this delusional at this stage of the Syrian debacle and overtly support the Al-Qaida, Al-Nusra Christian beheading terrorists and sign his name to it. I am so disgusted that ANY decent American would support the raping, torture, beheading, chemical gassing, and brutal atrocities of Christian and minority people in Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Libya and Iraq.

    • Snoopy Sanchez

      Like I told you, TML, you are living in a fantasy world about Iran

    • Cathy Hovey

      For what purpose are you defending them? I admit that I can’t quote any info, but I remember all the problems from them in the last couple of decades. Oh yeah, YOU are an admitted atheist. That would explain you siding with muslims.

      • TML

        “For what purpose are you defending them?”

        My desire for peace

        • Jana

          Well you won’t ever get any peace from them. You are looking to the wrong source.

          • TML

            Two thumbs down to a desire for peace.

            That’s just sad, but considering most who preached that got a bullet in the head; not surprising,

          • TSIndiana

            Or crucified

          • WTS/JAY

            Some of them actually received a nobel-peace-prize; like Hitler, and not too long ago, Obama. It all depends if the peace one is clamouring for, lines up with the imperialistic goals of the money-masters. Peace that yields no profits is considered a worthless peace, and insisting on a for non-profit peace, will, get you a bullet in the head, or crucified.

          • WTS/JAY

            Peace through the UN? Now that’s just plain silly and naive.

    • Freespirit

      It is NOT debatable at all.The greatest Criminal Nation is the U.S. followed by Israel or ISRAEL followed by the U.S.-it’s a toss-up. Here is an article today on RT: http://rt.com/op-edge/netanyahu-un-nuclear-iran-633/

      • Mole Johnson

        Israel is trying to survive, get over it!

        • Freespirit

          Trying to survive,on Palestinian LAND. You must be a TROLL like your friend John Meyer OR you are very ignorant of History

          • Mole Johnson

            Have some more kool aid.

    • Robert Messmer

      Great survey numbers, but……Mall in Nairobi, Muslims committing wanton destruction on unarmed civilians (and pretty sure Israel had nothing to do with it), slaughtering Christians in Egypt, etc etc etc. If so many oppose violence why don’t they stop it? Because they are too busy hating everyone who is not a Muslim, since that is what their book of love tells them to do.

  • WTS/JAY

    Obama Supports Sharia Reserve Bank and Trust in Indiana USA…

    At the pinnacle of the Islamist support network operating in the United States is an organization called The North American Islamic Trust (NAIT). Funded by Saudi Arabia to aid in the spread of Wahhabism—a sect of Islam demanding rule by Sharia Law that considers all other versions of Islam apostasy—the NAIT finances and holds titles to mosques, Islamic schools, and other real estate in America to shield and fund the assets of the American Muslim community. You will also be comforted to know that the NAIT is a not-for-profit granted 501(c) (3) tax-exempt status by the Internal Revenue Service.

    Founded in 1973, the North American Islamic Trust is the spider spinning the web of deceit that connects all Muslim organizations in America. The NAIT is the predecessor to all Islamic movements operating in the United States. It has a strong and unhealthy presence on a large number of American college campuses—they go by the name Muslim Students Association —and are the principle financial resource of the Islamic Society of North America or what is referred to commonly as the “Muslim Brotherhood.”

    The NAIT develops and distributes “authentic Islamic” books and literature to the ever increasing US Muslim population. Established in 1976, NAIT’s American Trust Publications—the Random House of Islamic propaganda—has published hundreds of books focused on Wahhabism Sharia compliant Islamic practices.

    The following is a quote from one of the NAIT’s publications:

    “No political system or material power should put hindrances in the way of preaching Islam. If someone does this, then it is the duty of Islam to fight him until either he is killed or until he declares his submission.” (Excerpted from Milestones by Sayid Qutb, theorist for the Muslim Brotherhood)

    You will not find the North American Islamic Trust on the Southern Poverty Law Center list of hate groups. Perhaps dining with the President of the United States provides absolution for financing domestic and international terrorism, historic human and women’s rights atrocities, and the heinous treatment of the Southern Poverty Law Centers red headed step child, the LGBT community. Nevertheless, I digress.

    What the Federal Reserve Bank does for the elite community, destroying freedom and liberty in America, the North American Islamic Trust does for Islam. Beginning in 2000, Allied Asset Advisors, a subsidiary of the NAIT, launched a no-load mutual fund named The Dow Jones Islamic Fund (IMANX). A board of Islamic scholars who limits investments to Sharia compliant companies and common stocks that meet “universally accepted Islamic principles” manages this fund…

    Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/obama-partners-with-sharia-reserve-bank-and-north-american-islamic-trust-in-indiana-usa/

  • WTS/JAY

    Must Watch! — Just Released: Middle East Report Translated, Declares That “Barack Hussein Obama Is A Muslim Terrorist!” (Video News Report)…

    source here: http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/just-released-middle-east-report-translated-declares-that-barack-hussein-obama-is-a-muslim-terrorist-video-news-report

    • Mole Johnson

      Its true, he is a terrorist and a dictator.

  • WTS/JAY

    $100 Billion Gift to Israel — $83 Billion Cut To American Families…

    -by Mohamed Khodr

    “The Modern Age is the Jewish Age, and the twentieth century, in particular, is the Jewish Century.”

    –Yuri Slezkine, in his book “The Jewish Century”, Prof. of History U.C. Berkeley,

    “A little group of willful men, representing no opinion but their own, have rendered the great government of the United States helpless and contemptible….The government, which was designed for the people, has got into the hands of the bosses and their employers, the special interests. An invisible empire has been set up above the forms of democracy.’

    —President Woodrow Wilson

    U.S. Congressman Steny Hoyer (D-MD) second highest ranking member in the House of Representatives, Minority Whip, while visiting Israel along with 26 other Democratic Representatives as part of AIPAC’s “educational” tour to Israel program went out of his way to comfort the Jewish State that despite America’s current economic crisis, aid to Israel will continue as usual.

    He said such the American economic crisis “will not have any adverse effect on America’s determination to meet its promise to Israel.” (Jerusalem Post, August 11, 2011)

    That Israel’s interests are the “Litmus Test” for U.S. domestic and foreign policy was made abundantly clear by the U.S. Ambassador to Israel, Dan Shapiro, in remarks he made to the Jewish People Policy Institute (JPPI) on September 6, 2011

    “There are two implications that flow from the President (Obama) identifying this core interest (absolute commitment to Israel) that I would like to discuss.

    The first is this—- the test— of every policy the Administration (Obama’s) develops in the Middle East is whether it is consistent with the goal of ensuring Israel’s future as a secure, Jewish, democratic state. That is a commitment that runs as a common thread through our entire government, even while approaching the U.S.-Israel relationship and regional challenges from a variety of perspectives.”

    “The test of our policy – that it advances Israel’s status as a secure,
    Jewish, democratic state – also explains our commitment to vigorously battle
    against those who would attempt to isolate or delegitimize Israel in the
    international community”.

    This is an outrageous and incredible admission by an Obama official that America’s foreign policy is dictated by Israel. Yet this control of U.S. foreign policy especially in the Midle East goes back to Harry Truman’s administration…

    more: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/06/09/100-billion-gift-to-israel-83-billion-cut-to-american-families/

  • WTS/JAY

    $100 Billion Gift to Israel — $83 Billion Cut To American Families…

    -by Mohamed Khodr

    “The Modern Age is the Jewish Age, and the twentieth century, in particular, is the Jewish Century.”

    –Yuri Slezkine, in his book “The Jewish Century”, Prof. of History U.C. Berkeley,

    “A little group of willful men, representing no opinion but their own, have rendered the great government of the United States helpless and contemptible….The government, which was designed for the people, has got into the hands of the bosses and their employers, the special interests. An invisible empire has been set up above the forms of democracy.’

    —President Woodrow Wilson

    U.S. Congressman Steny Hoyer (D-MD) second highest ranking member in the House of Representatives, Minority Whip, while visiting Israel along with 26 other Democratic Representatives as part of AIPAC’s “educational” tour to Israel program went out of his way to comfort the Jewish State that despite America’s current economic crisis, aid to Israel will continue as usual.

    He said such the American economic crisis “will not have any adverse effect on America’s determination to meet its promise to Israel.” (Jerusalem Post, August 11, 2011)

    That Israel’s interests are the “Litmus Test” for U.S. domestic and foreign policy was made abundantly clear by the U.S. Ambassador to Israel, Dan Shapiro, in remarks he made to the Jewish People Policy Institute (JPPI) on September 6, 2011

    “There are two implications that flow from the President (Obama) identifying this core interest (absolute commitment to Israel) that I would like to discuss.

    The first is this—- the test— of every policy the Administration (Obama’s) develops in the Middle East is whether it is consistent with the goal of ensuring Israel’s future as a secure, Jewish, democratic state. That is a commitment that runs as a common thread through our entire government, even while approaching the U.S.-Israel relationship and regional challenges from a variety of perspectives.”

    “The test of our policy – that it advances Israel’s status as a secure,
    Jewish, democratic state – also explains our commitment to vigorously battle
    against those who would attempt to isolate or delegitimize Israel in the
    international community”.

    This is an outrageous and incredible admission by an Obama official that America’s foreign policy is dictated by Israel. Yet this control of U.S. foreign policy especially in the Midle East goes back to Harry Truman’s administration…

    more: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/06/09/100-billion-gift-to-israel-83-billion-cut-to-american-families/

    • KG

      So we should just ‘give up’ on the only democratically elected government in the middle east? That way the Vatican’s secret terrorist organization (Knights of Columbus) can take over Jerusalem and charge lots of money for plenary indulgences, eh?

      • WTS/JAY

        We should take care of our own first, KG. You know, lead by example, rather than by imperialism…?

        • KG

          Obama’s been trying to do that, but the conservative republicans stymy his every step.

          • WTS/JAY

            Lol! That’s a good one, KG; the Crips criticizing the Bloods.

          • KG

            Tell me, is there a Democrat way to build a bridge or a Republican way?

          • WTS/JAY

            A Republican and a Democrat were walking down the street when they came to a homeless person. The Republican gave the homeless person his business card and told him to come to his business for a job. He then took twenty dollars out of his pocket and gave it to the homeless person.

            The Democrat was very impressed, and when they came to another homeless person, he decided to help. He walked over to the homeless person and gave him directions to the welfare office. He then reached into the Republican’s pocket and gave the homeless person fifty dollars.

          • KG

            A Democrat is a republican who just got arrested.
            A Republican is a democrat who just got robbed.

          • Mole Johnson

            Everything Barak touches destabilizes.

          • KG

            How can you say that? Are you jealous because he got Reagan’s nemesis as well as Bush’s? If yous guys didn’t spend all of your time trying to destroy the President you may actually find that it’s the Republicans and the conservatives who are actually destabilizing everything.

            Yous guys are a waste of skin.

          • Mole Johnson

            Have some more kool aid, everything will be alright.

          • KG
      • amy stevens

        Israeli is NOT a Democracy. The farthest from it. Christians and Palestinians have no rights except for those few granted to them by the fascist zionist state.

        • KG

          I’m not sure from what political spectrum you are coming from, but considering you agree with anything the virgin child rapist believes in, I must assume that you are of the school that regards the “Jews” as imposters or ‘Serpent Seed’.

          However, in the strictest sense, Israel DOES have a ‘democratic-like’ government in the sense that the People elect representatives and establish a Parliamentary type of leadership . The only ‘historical’ document that the Israeli Knesset govern from is it’s Declaration of Independence.
          While the word ‘Democracy’ doesn’t exist in this document it does state that it will:

          “ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex: it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations”.

          and appeals to:

          “the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions”.

          The definition of “a Jewish and Democratic State” was used in additional Basic Laws of Israel:

          Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty and Basic Law: Freedom of Occupation, that were legislated in 1992, and amended in 1994. These laws specifically states that:
          “1. The purpose of this Basic Law is to protect human dignity and liberty, in order to establish in a Basic Law the values of the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state.”
          —Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty

          “2. The purpose of this Basic Law if to protect freedom of occupation, in order to establish in a Basic Law the values of the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state.”
          —Basic Law: Freedom of Occupation (1994)

          So, basically, I can call you a liar just like your virgin boy rapist friend.

    • amy stevens

      Thanks for exposing the lies and deception WTS/JAY. The ignorance and disinformation on this post is shocking.

  • Alice Mason

    As a 75 year old, I’ve seen presidents come and go. Those citizens who made the effort to vote chose who was to be in charge of our future…from that day until the next time they went to the polls. In the meantime, after it was too late to do anything about it, those same citizens whined and criticized the very ones that they put in office. Why waste our time and energy on things we can no longer do anything about…..until the next election, that is? May I suggest, if there is any spare time for thinking things through before you push that “VOTE” button, that you examine, very carefully, ALL of the consequences of that one action so that you are very sure that you want the results. Then button it up until the next time you have a chance to change things and just let this time GO.

    • dan

      Alice, I appreciate your position but you would probably agree that one of the highest callings of a citizen is to keep their government accountable to the Law of the Land which,of course, is the Constitution.

    • Freespirit

      I would suggest BEFORE anyone “pushes that VOTE button: they check with this TRUTH about the U.S. Government: http://rt.com/op-edge/netanyahu-un-nuclear-iran-633/

    • Freespirit

      Sorry Alice,wrong link. Here is the one I meant: http://www.badquaker.com/archives/2780

  • ireAmerica

    Americans are all bound by Our Constitution to protect the individual sovereignty of each and all of us – by recognizing that our liberties are inherent in our humanity and given by God.

    Moslems are all bound by their Koran which requires them to subjugate to Islam or kill all non-Moslems by the word of their “prophet” and command of their “god”.

    One cannot be an American and a Moslem (hear me Barry?).

    • afanaglenn

      Barry Obama is not an American. Never was. He is a double citizen, a citizen of Indonesia, and Kenya where he was born. He has committed the greatest hoax on the world, stupid, and I do mean stupid, Americans swallowing his criminal conspiracy. Bozo is a homo muslim, a fact that no muslim can refute.

    • Mole Johnson

      Barak does not give a damn what the American people think.

  • WTS/JAY

    Anti-Muslim Author Thinks Obama Is Creating An Islamic Dictatorship, Fomenting Syrian-Style Civil War

    SUBMITTED BY Brian Tashman on Tuesday, 10/1/2013 1:45 pm

    Yesterday, Janet Mefferd invited Michael Coffman onto her program to discuss his book, Radical Islam in the House, about how an “Islamist cancer” has “penetrated deeply into the federal government and our culture” in order “to create a global Caliphate or world government.”

    Coffman told Mefferd that President Obama might become a dictator and refuse to give up power in order to transform the US into an Islamic state. Once Americans begin fighting back against the dictatorship by the country’s 0.8 percent Muslim population, Coffman predicts that the US will experience a second Civil War that is much like the one taking place in Syria.

    He said the Obama administration is building such close ties to “radical Islamists” that they can’t be overturned by the next administration “no matter who is the next president, if we have another president.”

    “Actually the Islamists believe that by the end of the Obama administration they will have an Islamic nation here in the United States, they believe very confidently that they will have succeeded within these next three and a half years to make this an Islamist state.”

    “The next president, assuming we can get there, is probably going to shut the whole thing down and stop it,” Coffman said of the supposed Islamist takeover. “I think it’s going to become so apparent by that time that it’s going to be almost impossible for them to be able to implement it without going to a civil war type of thing like they do so often like it’s happening in Syria and so forth right now.”

    Read more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/anti-muslim-author-thinks-obama-creating-islamic-dictatorship-fomenting-syrian-style-civil-w#sthash.3KGtAn0m.dpuf

  • pissedbutlawabiding in md

    He is already a closet Muslim just look what he dose for c.a.i.r and the Muslim brotherhood he is practically a member look at all the terrorist he let go in the us thru his Muslim spys in the FBI in Fairfax and the LA field office just ignoring the head of the FBI telling them to cut all com with the c.a.i.r rep because he was giving info to known terrorist HE IS DESTROYING THE U.S.A FROM THE POSITION THAT HE CONNED SO MANY PPL TO GET AND KEEP !! (!WE PICKED THE WRONG FIRST BLACK PREZ I SAY THIS NOT BECAUSE HES BLACK BUT BECAUSE WE DIDNT KNOW WHERE HIS LOYATYS LIES

  • Mole Johnson

    He is a muzzie sympathizer and a threat to the American people.

  • rick

    the Kenyan born Indonesian citizen, lifelong communist, lifelong muslim and undocumented illegal alien barry soetoro AKA steve dunham AKA Hussein Obama etc….etc….was installed by both criminal party’s, who would NEVER, back a black man. the fact that schmucks call this mulatto a black man, is very key to the plan. even the racist black groups, black panthers and nation of islam call the illegal, a black man. the 2 party’s are responsible for the communist/muslim takeover health law. health is less than a third of the law. his communist admin. run the gov’t, obviously, with his one and only job being, advance islam. I did the research in 2006, knowing this dude was a con man and have been writing criminal politicians since and yes, everyone of them is a co-conspirator. sheriff joe’s investigators, mountain of evidence is being ignored by all, as a JOSEF GOEBBEL’S inspired propaganda machine keeps the people as stupid as the school system has made them. really long story short. their divide and conquer plan is working nicely. this planet is in major jeopardy, because of the brown dwarf star and it’s satilites cruising our solar system, they knew this was coming. the first thing shutdown was NASA, as this so called, comet ison, passed over mars. catastrophe, with many dead, keeps the usurper in place, so seriously, heads up.

    • Mole Johnson

      Im not sure what to think about the brown dwarf, or the comet. I do believe Barak is responsible for destroying our space program.

  • amy stevens

    This article is blatant propaganda. The Al-Nusra, Christian beheading terrorists are being supported by MOSSAD/CIA/Saudi Intelligence. This is NOT a Muslim civil war or Syrian “activists” as the MSM likes to portray them. This is classic MOSSAD deception to destroy and destabilize Syria. I am shocked that personal liberty is printing such trashy disinformation.

    • Robert Messmer

      Sorry but you are wrong. Israel was better off, that is, safer with Assad running Syria than with the country being ripped apart and allowing Muslim extremists to take over. Yes they are technically at war but both sides had kept the armistice in place. CIA I can buy because we traditionally have never been able to leave well enough alone. Which is why we need to eliminate the CIA, and turn their only moral duty over to a different agency.

  • CWA

    BO was born and raised a muslim. BO has admitted that he is a muslim. Why don’t the people pay attention?

  • amy stevens

    In fact, the minority Alawite Muslims are so liberal minded that they celebrate Christmas. That is why the Israeli backed terrorists in Syria behead or torture them- because they are considered infidels by the Wahabi/Takfiri/Salafist extremists. The writer is either ignorant of the facts on the ground or worse, deliberately trying to confuse Americans.

    • Robert Messmer

      You sure it wasn’t the terrorists armed by Obama? How about citing a reference for your mindless jibberish against Israel. A non-biased reference, that is.

  • Sam

    Allowing men to sodomize children is another reason the Quran is an evil book spawned by the devil.

  • amy stevens

    The writer’s claim that Iran “is the most criminal nation on the planet” is a blatant lie. In fact they have been in full compliance with the Non-proliferation Treaty. Israel has not even signed it and still refuses to admit has huge WMD stockpiles. They have not attacked a country in 300 years. According to 16 US Intelligence reports, Iran has NO nuclear weapons program. Another false claim Myers makes is that Obama is pro-Iran. He is an AIPAC/MOSSAD loyalist to a fault. It is the US Intelligence Community and the Military that is wisely warning against the insanity of a war on Syria/Iran/Russia.

  • amy stevens

    The writer’s claim that Iran “is the most criminal nation on the planet” is a blatant lie. In fact they have been in full compliance with the Non-proliferation Treaty. Israel has not even signed it and still refuses to admit has huge WMD stockpiles. They have not attacked a country in 300 years. According to 16 US Intelligence reports, Iran has NO nuclear weapons program. Another false claim Myers makes is that Obama is pro-Iran. He is an AIPAC/MOSSAD loyalist to a fault. It is the US Intelligence Community and the Military that is wisely warning against the insanity of a war on Syria/Iran/Russia.

    • Robert Messmer

      And how many US Intelligence reports warned us about 9/11, mentioned WMD in Iraq, warned us about Maj Hassan, warned us about Boston. They seem to be really great AFTER the fact. Personally I say if Iran and North Korea are so hung up on getting nukes, being the giving generous nation that we are, we should give them each one. High noon on Monday over their capital cities, set to detonate at about 10,000 feet. So Iran has NO nuclear program, no enriched uranium, no centrifuge?
      Mr. Myers said Obama tried to mend fences with Iran, never said he was pro-Iran. Nixon if I am not mistaken worked to give Red China favored nation status for trade. Doesn’t mean he thought they were great believers in freedom. It’s called politics.

  • amy stevens

    What is a Neo-Con nutjob like Myers doing on an otherwise Libertarian website like Personal Liberty? I would expect these kind of blatant lies on FOX/CNN/NBC. His only redeeming point is that he openly admits that he was the “original publisher of Oilweek Magazine”. And we can only imagine what kind of International terrorists he keeps company with.

  • amy stevens

    Other suggestions for Myers future articles; ” Iran attacked us on 9/11″; “Israel hasn’t attacked or invaded a nation in 3,000 years”; “AIPAC/Israel is our best friend”; ” John Haggee confirms it must be true-Israel has destroyed all of their WMDS for Jesus”; “Raise your Christian-zionists kids to go to Heaven by dying for Israel and Big Oil Banksters” ; “Al-Nusra and McCain showed me how to behead a screaming Christian Baby in Syria”; “The great Sufi Saint Rumi was a muzzie terrorist”

    • John Myers

      Dear Amy,
      Please read this Wednesday where I am for cutting off all financial and military aid to Israel and for America pulling out of the entire Middle East. I am many things but I am not a Zionist or a neocon. I came out against the war in Iraq and my publisher caught hell for it.
      Sincerely,
      John Myers

      • Freespirit

        Well finally something I can agree with, NOW if you can only look more honestly at IRAN

    • Freespirit

      Good for you AMY. There are a few of us NOT DECEIVED by John Meyers

  • JRR

    “… Obama lost track of the fact that Iran is a proponent of Islamic law…” The implication is that he finds Islamic law a problem. I think he would like nothing better than to see Islam force America under its brutal, bloodthirsty heel.