What Do We Stand For?

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At the very edge of oblivion, some men reflect; others snivel and cry. I have spent many years now studying the societal strengths and failings of modern American culture, and I have to say that most citizens within our once grand Republic will do far less reflecting and much more crying when the bell tolls. This is not to say that I believe the fight is lost. Far from it. In fact, I would consider myself an optimist amongst many of my peers in the liberty movement as to our chances of defending Constitutional freedom today. There is a very strong core within our country that still embraces the ideals of individualism and independence. The problem is that those who are awake face each day surrounded by lunatics and the giggling blind. It’s difficult to find solace within the asylum of the “mainstream,” so we begin to assume we are alone.

Even worse, we sometimes have to deal with misguided and biased people who join the liberty movement not to stand upon any solid fundamental principles, but to attempt to impress their own twisted world views upon us as if they “know better.” You would think that the concept of freedom would be simple to understand and grasp. But for some people, it is like plunging into a trigonometric wonderland of confusion.

As the United States, led by the Administration of President Barack Obama, moves toward yet another possible war in the Mideast, using covert terrorists as proxies and enacting violent policy based on dubious or nonexistent evidence and far-flung accusations, I realize that with all the blathering voices out there telling us what to think, what to do, what to fear, whom to admire, whom to worship, how to live and what to aspire, perhaps it is time for each of us to solemnly question what we stand for and what America is supposed to stand for.

Really, think about it. What are we here for? What purpose do we serve in the grand scheme of things? What are our defining principles?

Have we lost track of ourselves as Americans so completely that we cannot even explain in a reasonable fashion what kind of people we want to be and what kind of world we want to live in? Are we so busy squabbling with each other that we have no time to examine the foundation upon which we all rely?

I think it is safe to point out that for many decades the actions of our government have not represented or reflected the ideals of the public. I can’t say I’ve met very many people who would voluntarily or happily cheer the course of our Nation. Much of what is done in our name is not done for our benefit or for the benefit of our children. Most of the crimes committed by our government are crimes we would never want to be remembered for as individuals.

If this is the case and if deep down we all want a much different legacy than what is being created for us, what would this legacy be? I believe that most Americans would not argue with the following list of virtues.

Enduring Individualism

Most Americans want to be in control of their own destinies. The sad reality, though, is that many Americans believe themselves to be in control of their own destinies when they are not. They believe they are informed when they are actually ignorant. They believe they are rich when they are actually poor. They believe they are self-sufficient when they are actually as helpless as newborn babies. They believe they are courageous when they are actually cowards. And they believe they are righteous when they are actually guilty of numerous crimes against their fellow man. One cannot be an individual unless he understands himself and his own weaknesses.

True Independence

Americans want to see themselves as independent and self-reliant, yet many of us go about pursuing this independence in backward ways. Socialists view an independent life as a gift granted by society through the tool of government. In other words, they believe that the collective is responsible for supporting and sustaining the individual and that the individual owes the collective allegiance for its efforts. Objectivists tend to treat independence as a kind of “get out of jail free card,” as if true individuals should care only about themselves and their posterity and that there should be no consequences for their own harmful actions.

What both sides can’t seem to fathom is that independence is about responsibility. It’s about responsibility to one’s self, to make one’s own way in life without the constant aid of a nanny state. It is also about responsibility to one’s inner conscience, which warns us not to maliciously violate the life and liberty of others. Whether on the left or the right, Americans have forgotten that real independence comes with strings attached.

Decentralization Of Power

At this very moment, the White House has decided whether it will unilaterally attack a foreign nation that presents absolutely no clear and present danger to the United States. In a play for limited liability and shared guilt, Obama has “offered” to “allow” Congress to vote on the decision to go to war in Syria, while stating openly that as President he has the authority to initiate an attack anyway, without its oversight. The White House is moving to strike Syria because its attempts at covert destabilization and terrorism (again, without the approval of Congress) have failed, and it is trying to erase its mistakes in a hail of missiles. Centralization of power is the exact opposite of what America was founded on. Checks and balances exist for a reason. Such measures are ingrained in the Constitution in order to ensure that our entire country is not led down a path of criminality and destruction based on the decisions of only a few men.

The great allure of centralization is that each political faction within the United States is easily tempted by what it could do if the system were under its control. People on the left and on the right foolishly imagine that if only the dark power of centralism were in their hands, they could use it for “good.” But nothing good ever comes from centralization. Decentralization is the only answer.

Spiritual Freedom

Americans have become increasingly schizophrenic as to what this actually means. Surely, most of us understand and agree that each individual has a right to worship as he wishes and participate in any religion he chooses. The moment we begin to use government as a way to interfere in the worship of one religion, we risk one day having government used to interfere with our own religion. Sadly, this ideal has been turned on its head by some who think that spiritual concerns should be erased from government altogether. Government is not and never will be a purely objective entity. Government is made up of human beings, and human beings always bring their ideals to work. I fail to see the harm in allowing a courthouse, for instance, to post the Ten Commandments on its wall. This is an expression of a predominant spiritual ideal that ultimately harms no one.

By the same token, however if one day a court in another town decided to post the precepts of Buddhism on its walls, there should be no complaints from Christians either. Unfortunately, all sides (including Atheists) seek to apply their own spiritual (or secular) views as if they are in contest with each other, and this leads to all sides attempting to use government as a weapon to enforce those views. I think the Founding Fathers, though many of them Christian, saw the great danger in religious groups battling to force their particular beliefs on each other. The Constitutional protections of religious freedom were thus designed to make spiritualism a personal, rather than political, endeavor. Most of us do not wish to live in a society in which our government has been sterilized of all spiritualism, but we also refuse to live under the insanity of a theocracy. The only answer is the original answer of the Founding Fathers: to believe as we wish to believe and to leave everyone else the hell alone.

Noninterventionism

Our country was built on the philosophy of noninterventionism. But today, those who promote the strategy are immediately accused of being “isolationists” by the mainstream. I think the stupidity of interventionism has been made abundantly clear over the past decade, as our mindless adventures in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and now Yemen and Syria are falling apart. Nothing has been accomplished in these offensives on the other side of the world except the further erosion of America’s economy, not to mention our credibility.

As polling appears to suggest today, many Americans are once again finally learning to embrace noninterventionism in the case of Syria, and this awakening should be encouraged further. Regardless of the rationalizations given by the establishment, freedom (if that is indeed what the White House is selling) cannot be spread by force of arms or sold like a fast-food franchise. Furthermore, we should be taking care of the liberties being eroded within our own borders before gallivanting around the globe pontificating to foreign nations about their supposed inadequacies.

Constitutional Liberty Before Political Party

Political parties are the bane of American life. They are the primary means by which our population is controlled and distracted. Parties are poison. When I vote, I vote for the individual representative, not his party. His party may argue that only it is the true purveyor of freedom. His party might argue that only it has my best interests at heart. His party may even argue that only it is honest and forthright in its platform. But if the individual politician and his record does not reflect the promises of his party, then what the party has to say is utterly meaningless.

There are no “lesser of two evils.” There is only honorable or dishonorable, Constitutional or unconstitutional, sincere or deceitful. A Republican who breaks his oath to defend the Constitution is no more likely to gain my support than a Democrat who does the same. This is a concept that has been lost on Americans for many years now. The idea that there should be no such thing as “party loyalty,” only loyalty to one’s own conscience, is one we need desperately to return. The dangers we face in our current era are a product of both major parties, and anyone who says otherwise is wearing debilitating blinders. As we creep closer to disaster, it is vital that we remember that at bottom the coming fight is between champions of freedom and proponents of tyranny, whatever party they may claim membership in.

I could continue for a hundred pages on the underlying structure of Constitutionalism that we still value but have been estranged from for so long. As our Nation enters a new stage of social, political and economic unrest, there may be very little left to hold on to. As I stated before, as a country, we can either reflect or snivel. We can take action (beginning with ourselves), or we can complain (starting with others). We can stand firm in our core principles, or we can argue endlessly about the nuances and biases surrounding those principles. We can come together under the banner of freedom in the face of despotism, or we can remain divided and conquered.

–Brandon Smith

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Brandon Smith

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  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Brendon asks: “What Do We Stand For?”

    What the question is that, Brendon?

    Where are you came from? We do not stand. We can’t stand. We do not have ground to stand. We are drifting – moving to transform our America. ALL in complete Unity under surveillance. We are moving toward the lawless and un-constitutional Tyranny with the Sharia Law and all together converting into the religion of … Well, you know what religion. If I tell you the “H” word, Liberals will screaming that I am islamophobe, racist and, I guess, “C” bigot. And believe me, it’s not funny to hear these Alinsky’s labels almost each day from dave, ronny, rbrook, KG, smilee and even old heck Nut Case, who in each his reply confesses to me that he is very happy man. But I do not think so, because he is screaming too much and it scares me.

    And Karolyn, please do not yelling to me: “Hail to Putin! Alondra’s hero.” I am an American CITIZEN and veeeeery PROUD one. You do not own America.

    But back to you, Brendon. I think that you are the lost sheep. So, please, find your flock and we will move together toward distraction.

    P.S. My dear liberal friends, if you’ll get angry, please count to ten. It helps to soothe your anger. And when you will confront me, please get the facts first, and then you can distort them as you please.” ~ Mark Twain

    Thank you.
    With God’s Agape,
    Alondra

    • Brandon Smith

      @Alondra

      Your post is absolutely incoherent. Are you even an American citizen?

    • Brandon Smith

      @Alondra

      Your post is absolutely incoherent. Are you even an American citizen?

      • Alex

        Brandon Smith—my God, you seem almost shocked!

        Nearly ALL of your readers are incoherent….

        • Nadzieja Batki

          AlexFinally admitting that you are incoherent.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Brandon Smith, Alondra said she was an American Citizen.
        What you may find among your readers if they are transplants from the European/Soviet countries that the Socialist/Communist ideological crap they ran away from has shown up on American shores.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        @Brandon Smith
        Dear Brendon, you are pathetically serious, and your self-esteem is excessively sensitive..

        P.S. Work on your “sense” of humor, which you have none. People, who are locked sense of humor, are very boring. Next time try to count to ten before your reply.

        And yes, young man, from the 1997 I am a very PROUD American citizen. But I doubt you would understand that.

        Best wishes,
        Alondra

    • peter

      Seriously now. What exactly are you raving about? Did you take your medication today? Can you not reply in a civilized and courteous manner? If you are unable to understand dialogue presented in an eloquent manner, then please do not read it, far less pretend to understand it, whence your incomprehensible reply.

      • billybob

        Alondra sounded pretty civilized to me. I didn’t see any raving in the above ? Lots of logic and forethought! One question Peter, where is your view of the United States taking us?

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          THANK YOU.
          His “view of the United States” is lawlessness and free-loading.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        And noxious weed peter pipes in.
        Define civilized and courteous manner. Did you mean that Alondra should be civilized and courteous of manner as you demand it?

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        English is Alondra’s third language.
        We can only hope that you would learn to speak your own language as well as Alondra speaks her third.

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          THANK YOU.
          But he cares less about HOW I speak English (my syntax/ word order). He cares WHAT I speak, which is in conflict with his slavish liberal ideology.

    • Ron r

      Surely you can’t be serious!!!!

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Surely I can.

  • Harold Olsen

    Under Obama, this country stands for hate, lies, deceit and racism, all brought about by that America-hating POS. He is destroying the great country we once were and he is proud of it.

  • Harold Olsen

    Under Obama, this country stands for hate, lies, deceit and racism, all brought about by that America-hating POS. He is destroying the great country we once were and he is proud of it.

    • vicatman

      bo wants us the be little robots that follow him blindly… pretty much like the pied piper of Hamlin

    • Alex

      “{President Obama} is destroying the great country we once were…”

      Quit your whining, Harry—this nation was NEVER a great country. Ever.

      We are an Evil Empire forged on stolen ground, built by Forced Labor, and expanded to its bloated state through Genocide and Ethnic Cleansing. These truths cannot be wiped away simply because they do not fit into the fairy tale you call American Exceptionalism.

      You sound like a person breastfed on curdled milk sucked from the withered teat of Patriotism—vile milk that tells you that all of our excess, our willingness to lie about such concepts as “Freedom” and “Equality”.

      Grow up, Harry. Grow up and PROGRESS…

      • Alex

        *oops
        Should read,—after “Freedom” and “Equality”— is proper.

      • 1baronrichsnot1

        Alex, the dutch, germans, and king george had it! Pathetic invaders of the original colonies, overtaxing, rule making, rights taking, pukes, who harrassed and shot our established colonies residents, stole their land, and were just about as crooked as the current bunch of azzholes. Patriots just chased their azzes out, and gave ourselves a constitution. Some of the brits, dutch, and germans stayed, helped build a country, but under a different boss, not a kingdom. The rest got on their ships and got their azzes gone. I’m keeping this simple, just for you. It became a great great country in spite of these invaders and attackers of the colonies after the revolution. Because the colonies won, preserved the constitution, threw out the british army, assisted by the german garrison, the dutch just kind of settled in. The continental army threw their azzes out, with the help of the french and some indians. Remember general george washington? Yep that is him. I don’t believe anyone believes this land was stolen from the British. Do you really?

        • billybob

          Well the Native American may disagree with you on who stole what from whom!

        • mark

          No, you’re right: it was stolen from the Indians.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Who did the Indians steal it from? We can play that round robin game for a long time and you will not win.

          • smilee

            Right and built after that by a whole lot of forced labor the country came many years later and not form christian motivation as some would want to believe as politics then as now was corruption and greed Power was so fragmented that to survive outside forces they had to unite to have sufficient power and some help from France to make that come true and to preserve it they created this country in a way that both combined power and separated it as they did not even trust each other and originally they left out the first ten amendments but to get the votes they had to agree to add them
            soon after they did and since it has taken on a life of it’s own and worked well for all but do not forget originally only white males of means could vote the rest had no representation

          • Vis Fac

            No one will ever accuse you of being one of those who were FORCED labor. The most labor you expend is bringing the spoon to your fat face filled with food provided by others.

            You exist on other people’s dime and dare to bite the hands (those who work and pay taxes) that feeds you.

            We have words fro those like you leaching scum suckers!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            All your statements of late have been pathetic

          • Dave

            That is because Force is a failure in business and he has to lash out at others to cover his failings up.

          • smilee

            With an attitude like Force it is understandable why no one would do business with him or work for him making him a failure in business like you say

          • Vis Fac

            You’re just plain PATHETIC.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Indians, who stole it from other Indians. It’s an unfortunate reality of mankind, that a large percentage of people can justify taking property from others, and it goes on now, by Progressives, as much as ever before. And now, as then, they can come up with hundreds of reasons why their theft is okay.

        • Bill

          Baron,
          Don’t waste your breath talking logic to Alex, he is a progressive and has an agenda to make us even more evil than what he cries about

      • Bill

        Wow, what wonderful words of wisdom from Alex, the nutcase.

      • topmah

        And you still live here? Good grief, start packing! Perhaps Greece or Spain? Cuba, Venezuela? You have so many choices!

        • Don 2

          Any proof that he does live here?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Why haven’t you departed the United States for your ideal lands?

        • Vis Fac

          Alex in La La Land collects welfare as five individuals. If Alex in La La Land leaves he will have to fend for himself and we all know indolent liberals like Alex in La La Land could never survive on their own.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

    • American Girl

      As popular as it is to bash and blame Obama for the fact that our once great nation is barely on life support, you will have to reach back much further to identify the onset of the societal illness that grips us. Although I contend that it started with the ill-fated ratification of the constitution, the push to “New World Order” began with FDR and this core agenda has been moving forward with each successive POTUS (see link), without exception and regardless of political party.

      “The president will lead in the treason. Your militia will leave you and fight against you. What will you do when evil men take office? When Evil men take office the whole gang will be in collusion. They will keep the people in utter ignorance and steal their liberty by ambuscade. When government removes your armaments, you will have no power, but government will have all power.” ….Patrick Henry

      http://www.libertygunrights.com/HenryOnPresidents.pdf

      • billybob

        I think that sums it up very well!

      • Bill

        Great comment, American Girl

    • Ron r

      Yeah the nerve of that guy. Continuing what Reagan and Bush started.

      • Steve Randolph

        And the people with your attitude are the idiots that voted Obama back into office for another four years. You are just as much to blame for the downfall of the country as those traitors in Washington.

        • Ron r

          Yeah , me and the majority of voters. Yep , you fit the profile !!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Ronr,You mean you fit the profile of Idiots. But we knew that already but nice of you to finally admit it.

          • Ron r

            you have never had anything of value to say on this site or in your life. You are brain dead and a fool. go to bed!!!!

          • Vis Fac

            As if you ever had? I’ve seen stupidity and you take the grand prize!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Ron r

            Excuse me, do you have something of importance to say??????? Idiot!!!!!!!

          • Vis Fac

            Can’t excuse morons like you as you provide nothing tangible and only capable of is taking up space. Best to either toss you in the landfill or flush you down the toilet.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            And then have you for a neighbor???? Parish the thought!!

          • Vis Fac

            Same could be said for you bit I won’t say it because it is obvious where you reside.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Ron r

            And you are dismissed for being the idiot you so proudly are. Now you can move on with your silly game.

          • Vis Fac

            Mighty fine comeback! Got any more words of wisdom?

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Vis Fac

            Now That’s a real ZINGER up all night thinking about what to come back with?

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Vis Fac

            Wow I’ll bet you were up all night thinking of that one. BTW There is absolutely no excuse for you none.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Ron r

            And I bet you think you are among academics when posting on this site.

          • smilee

            Your mirror makes us truly believe you have seen stupidity

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Your comments, Ron r, are usually either inane or ad hominem attacks. You are the pot calling the kettle black.

          • Ron r

            And your post are just plain dumb.

          • topmah

            Well, ‘the majority of voters’, yes–certainly the majority who, like the lady who voted for Obama 9 times, followed the Chicago model: ‘Vote early and vote often’

          • Ron r

            are you talking about the lady in ohio who was convicted for voting twice for Obama? The lady who’s votes did not count and even if they did the margin of victory was far beyond 1 vote.1 fraud out of millions of votes. Wow, she really put Obama over the top.

          • topmah

            Dream on, Ron r–if you seriously think ‘1 fraud out of millions of votes’ was the only one committed, then you need to be ‘committed’ to the nearest asylum for lunatics

          • Ron r

            Please tell me how many cases of fraud there was? Give me numbers. Are you saying millions of people committed voter fraud, and that have Obama his victory? Give me numbers, seek help from others on this site, just give numbers . I await your answer.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            So if somebody performs a criminal act but it doesn’t result in harm, it’s okay?
            Only a Liberal Progressive could think that way.

          • Ron r

            Never said that , but like all reich wingers you make it up as you go.

          • smilee

            You used to say it was seven times, but had it been a 100 times the election would have had the same outcome as 99.99% of the votes were not in question despite the false rhetoric of the losers.

          • Vis Fac

            Pot calling the kettle black are we?

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

      • American Girl

        Reagan and Bush, while complicit in the treason of usurping the safeguards of the Bill of Rights, didn’t start anything. They, like their predecessors and successors, were merely carrying out the agenda of the New World Order… begun, in earnest, by FDR.

        http://www.libertygunrights.com/HenryOnPresidents.pdf

        “The president will lead in the treason. Your militia will leave you and fight against you. What will you do when evil men take office? When Evil men take office the whole gang will be in collusion. They will keep the people in utter ignorance and steal their liberty by ambuscade. When government removes your armaments, you will have no power, but government will have all power.” ….Patrick Henry

    • FreedomFighter

      “We can come together under the banner of freedom in the face of despotism, or we can remain divided and conquered.”
      Nothing more to say.Laus DeoSemper FI

      • Louis Lemieux

        What despotism? Americans were not forced at gun point to vote for those who represent them!

        • topmah

          No, many were well-paid ‘to vote for those who represent them!’ And paid by our tax $$$ whether we wished it or not. There’s little doubt that Obama was elected by the ‘gimmedats’ (great word plagiarized from another commentator) who have no concerns whatsoever about this nation as long as they get their freebies…

          • smilee

            The red states all get more of those freebies than people in the blue states as most are also right to work states that pay much more lower wages to enable qualification of their citizens to get these freebies because they are so underpaid, These statistics shot down your BS As red states did not vote for Obama

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear smilee,

            You write: “The red states all get more of those freebies than people in the blue states” If you are troubled by the way the wealth is redistributed perhaps you are ready to join me in my call to repeal the 16th Amendment?

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • smilee

            I am not troubled by it just troubled by those who lie about who actually voted for Obama and the states that get the most welfare did not vote for him.. .. Getting rid of the income tax will not prevent it as there are other ways to raise taxes than on income.

          • Dave

            And watch your state of AL become worse than it is already Bob… One day you will figure out how societies work and then you can teach your employee DaveH.
            Do you have a model society on the scale of the UNited States that works on your theories Bob? If so, please share so we can get that successful model in place asap.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear unhinged Dave,

            You write: “And watch your state of AL become worse than it is already Bob…” What is bad about Alabama, Dave? It’s current rate of unemployment at 6.3 percent? The fact that three automakers now build automobiles here? The fact that one airplane manufacturer is building a new plant here?

            You write: “Do you have a model society on the scale of the UNited States (sic) that works on your theories Bob?” Non sequitur.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Dave

            What kind of Jobs Bob? Where does AL rank in education? Births out of wedlock? Alcoholism?
            I like Orange Beach, I like deep sea fishing there… but you go into the rual areas…(which is most of the state), its a sad situation.
            I have been in almost every state in the union, I have seen alot of things…and AL, MS, and LA (all conservative states) are some of the saddest places in the country and without the rest of the country’s support…. AL would get worse.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You travel a lot on your Government job?

          • Dave

            So basically Bob has no model in the world that he can point to as this economic model and DaveH, (Bob’s employee) has more BS instead of anything of value to add.
            DaveH, I hope you are enjoying your “retirement” that the Gov helped you ensure you enjoy via SS. Otherwise, you may be one of those elderly that that is living in poverty before the Gov put in SS.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Dave,

            You write: “So basically Bob has no model in the world that he can point to as this economic model” As usual, your comment is fallacious.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Dave

            Bob
            As usual, you present cute little theory, no basis in reality… Please learn how societies operate and then teach your loyal pupil, DaveH. You both are completely off your rockers…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yet we have plenty of models of Socialism around the world to point to, and it fails every time when fully implemented. In countries with a mixture of Socialism/Capitalism, the Socialists can ride on the coat tails of the Capitalists. In purely Socialist countries they don’t have Capitalism to parasitize, so they naturally fail miserably.
            For those people who would like to transcend the Propaganda that Shill Dave and his cohorts would like you to swallow:
            http://www.freetheworld.com/
            http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

          • Dave

            Same old corporatist DaveH8…. How much does Bob L pay for to be his boy?

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Dave,

            You write: “What kind of Jobs Bob?” I have told you about them both today and in the past.

            You write: “Where does AL rank in education? Births out of wedlock? Alcoholism?” Please tell me.

            You write: “are some of the saddest places in the country” Please describe what you mean, Dave the bigot, by “saddest,” which is very subjective.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Dave

            Standard of living Bob…

            AL ranks 4th in the divorce rate, 14th in out of wedlock births

            http://www.state.ok.us/osfdocs/budget/table25.pdf

            In the highest percentiles of obesity

            http://www.americashealthrankings.org/AL/Obesity/2012

            Now the unemployment rate in AL is 6.3%??? Isn’t that statitic that you and your cohorts claim as a lie by Obama to mask unemployment numbers?

            BTW Alabama is 56th in the latest census when it comes to income…

            So when I mean sad, it means these stats as examples… AL has much work to do before I would consider it as a place I’d knock off CA, Northern VA, MD as places I would consider moving to…
            AL may suit you… afterall you get $1.55 cents back for every dollar you send to the Fed Gov which helps you in your perception of being “left alone”. You get left alone and other people pay for you… Just like you leaching conservatives like it.
            You will have your hand out when the next hurricane hits your state so be patient, your representatives can load up that bill with pork just like you did the Katrina bill. We will fit the bill because we liberals care about the least well off in this country… Thats means your state.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “BTW Alabama is 56th in the latest census when it comes to income”.
            OMG. Shill Dave is Obama. So what state ranked 57th, Shill Dave?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Divorce Rate? Out of Wedlock births? I thought you Liberal Progressives championed that sort of thing, Shill Dave?

          • Dave

            Again, you are a willful liar… But its nothing new from a corporatist like you DaveH8.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear unhinged Dave,

            Your rant is incoherent.

            You write: “Alabama is 56th” This is nonsense.

            You write: So when I mean sad, it means these stats as examples… AL has much work to do before I would consider it as a place I’d knock off CA, Northern VA, MD as places I would consider moving to…” As we don’t your type here, I hope the work is never done. BTW: Did you know that Alabama has been under the control of the Democrat party and teacher’s union for almost 50 year until the 2011 election? http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/07/alabama-on-the-verge-of-breaking-powerful-teachers-union/

            You write: “AL may suit you… afterall you get $1.55 cents back for every dollar you send to the Fed Gov which helps you in your perception of being “left alone”.” Then please join me in a call to repeal the 16th Amendment. Except you approve of theft as long as it goes to your pet projects (but not to lazy southerners).

            You write: “You will have your hand out when the next hurricane hits your state so be patient, your representatives can load up that bill with pork just like you did the Katrina bill.” I did not have my hand out and I did not have anything to do with the Katrina bill. Your comment is nonsensical, specious and devoid of intelligence and logic.

            You write: “We will fit the bill because we liberals care about the least well off in this country…” Nonsensical rambling of a deranged person. Your brain function has obviously been disturbed by the processed foods, fluoride and pharmaceuticals you consume.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Louis Lemieux

            The conservative Tax Foundation unequivocally states, “Nine of the ten states with the largest percentage of non (income) tax payers are in the South and Southwest. In Mississippi, 45 percent of federal tax returns remit nothing or receive money with their federal tax returns; that is the highest percentage nationally. Georgia is next at 41 percent, followed by Arkansas at 41 percent, and Alabama, South Carolina, and New Mexico at 40 percent.”
            New Mexico is the only one of those states that voted for Obama in 2012.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The squeaky wheels get the grease. Why would the Government waste money buying votes in states that are already in its pocket?

          • Louis Lemieux

            What do you mean? The Red States are not in the Democrat’s pocket.
            The U.S. government doesn’t buy any votes in any particular state. It’s policies are for all 50 states.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            OMG. Are you really that ignorant, Louis, or is this one of Flashman’s personalities meant solely to pester us?
            I was talking about the Blue States being already in their pocket. The Liberal Progressive Leaders need to spend their money in the Red States in an effort to get a majority of them to the trough and gain their votes.

          • Louis Lemieux

            You didn’t mention Blue States at all, so how could I know, especially when I don’t equal spending money to inform people what an election is about to buying votes. Republicans, democrats and libertarian all spend money to inform and persuade voters. Trying to understand a twisted mind like yours is not always easy!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            As I have said — hopelessly ignorant.

          • Louis Lemieux

            Typical answer of someone who doesn’t know how to respond intelligently.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Have you taken to self-flagellation, Louis?

          • Louis Lemieux

            Actually I’m having fun teaching you logic thinking.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yeah right, Louis. You couldn’t teach me logic if you wanted to because you have no understanding of logic. You have proven that repeatedly with your inane and illogical comments.

          • Louis Lemieux

            There’s nothing more illogical than to think someone else is ignorant or an idiot because he has different political views. Ron Paul is a real gentleman when it comes to that. It’s never too late for you to start emulating him. I don’t share most of Ron Paul’s political views but I still admire him.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, Louis, I don’t call you an idiot because of your political views. I call you an idiot because you are one.

          • Louis Lemieux

            Explain to me why you call me an idiot then. How did you reach that conclusion?

          • smilee

            Point was that all these people living in red states get the most welfare benefits and they did not vote for democrats. people here want you believe people voted blue to get that welfare when those who voted blue get far less that those voted red

          • topmah

            And had the other eight voted for Obama, the numbers most likely wouldn’t equal the northern & midwest states, especially the union states, with populations that far exceed the states you mention so I stand by my premise of votes bought & paid for by the taxpayer footing the bill.

          • Don 2

            That’s why NY is so blue. When you add up all the government freebees to those who do not work, it comes to 10.5% more than the median income for those who do work.

            And then you have bozos like Bloomberg telling the nations illegals to come to NY, we will take care of you. My question is: Who the hell is “we” Bloomberg? It sure isn’t you and your multi-biliions.

        • Don 2

          Actually, it was night sticks that the New Black Panther party used in Philadelphia.

          • Louis Lemieux

            Using an isolated incident to prove Americans all over the U.S. were not free to vote is quite illogical. The actual incident was relatively minor, but its importance had been blown out of proportion by individuals and groups with political motives.

          • Don 2

            So you think Eric Holder, at the behest of the president, dropping the charges on these thugs, who had basically already been found guilty, was relatively minor? And you also think Eric Holder, who takes his marching orders from the president, making public statements about not prosecuting black criminals for crimes like this to be minor and blown out of proportion?

          • Louis Lemieux

            New Black Panther Party member Minister King Shabazz carried a billy club,, and is reported to have pointed it at voters. Under the Bush administration, a criminal investigation into the incident was started, but later dropped.

            The New Black Panther Party stated at the time that Shabazz made “an honest error” by bringing a billy club to the polling station, and that because of his doing so he was suspended from the New Black Panther Party.
            This voter intimidation by blacks is very, very minute compared to previous white intimidations on blacks. Do you agree?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Here with go again with the common Liberal Progressive technique of stooping to the lowest common denominator.
            Two wrongs still do not make a right, Louis, no matter how much you Liberal Progressives try to believe that.

          • Louis Lemieux

            Where did I say two wrongs make a right? Nowhere! I simply stated when it comes to voting blacks have been a lot more intimidated by whites than whites intimidated by blacks. If you don’t agree, just say so, but don’t make me say something I never said.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Louis says — “This voter intimidation by blacks is very, very minute compared to previous white intimidations on blacks”.
            Don’t blame me for your ignorant comments, Louis.

          • Louis Lemieux

            Well, either you agree with that or you don’t. I think you do agree but you feel compelled not to admit it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I think you are an idiot, Louis. And I have no problem admitting that.

          • Louis Lemieux

            It’s OK. I’m not absolutely sure but I think I understand. You must come from a region of the U.S. where people still have a hard time admitting the mistakes of their forebears in that matter. You agree with me but you won’t say so because you don’t want your friends to be able to read it and they will over here.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It’s funny how similar your comments are to Flashman and his alter-ego Jeremy Leochner.

          • Don 2

            The New Black Panther Party says that was an honest mistake, you say. Well, that should be an affirmative defense for every black man who commits any crime, should it not? Gee, your honor, my holding up that bank was an honest mistake, and because of that, the charges should be dropped.

            The New Black Panther party, now would that be the same gangsters calling for war against whites and that also put a $10,000 reward(Dead or Alive) on an innocent man, George Zimmerman?

            So, this guy Shabazz was actually “suspended” from the gang. Wow…..I am so impressed! That certainly was a case of “cruel & unusual” punishment. He “reportedly” pointed a billy club at voters, you say. How about he “did” point a billy club at voters? You see, I saw the video, so there’s no “reportedly” about it, Louie Left. The charges were later dropped alright, but not by the Bush administration as you conveniently allude to. It was the Obama administration and Eric Holder in particular, and it was Eric Holder who stated that he wasn’t going to prosecute these type of black crimes against white people.

        • Vis Fac

          No they just wrest power through fraudulent means Precisely why they do not want immagration and voter reform.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Government is Force. You do not have a natural right to vote for a Gang of people to take other peoples’ money and to make other people’s personal choices.

          • Louis Lemieux

            The government has the right to take your money and mine, without individually asking us, to buy traffic lights to prevent mayhem in cities. Like it or not!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, the Government doesn’t have that right, they just take it. Like you, Louis, they are takers.

          • Louis Lemieux

            I love law and order when it makes common sense.

          • smilee

            I have always said you do not believe in our Constitution, ever since it was ratified it gave the government the authority to tax you which is taking your money so it does have that right

          • NC

            ABORIGINAL. YOU SAY “GOVERNMENT IS FORCE”? Tell us where you feel this “force” against you” Does it keep you from saying what you want to? From possessing arms to maintain a militia or for any reason? from owning books? from making a living to support your dependents if there are others in your mother’s basement? does Mr. BOB claim you as a dependent? JUST ASKING!!
            YOU NEED TO MOVE TO NC! WE ARE SO FREE HERE WE HAVE TO HIDE FROM EACH OTHER TO PRETEND THE GOVERNMENT IS AFTER US!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You don’t think Government is Force, NutCase?
            Try disobeying their rules sometime.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Nice quote except we better make sure that we are on the same definition and not playing the semantics game which the Dems/Progs/Leftists/Marxists/Fascists are good at.

    • mark

      No Harold, this is actually what you stand for: hate, deceit, and racism. You just called yourself out. Also while we are still a great country, we have always had lots of faults and problems. Denying this is part of the mythology of nostalgia, false patriotism, and American exceptionalism: let’s never look at what Americans have done wrong and anyone who does so is a traitor. We should celebrate our achievements but also do a critical analysis of our failings.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        But you are of an ideological bent that keeps telling the nation not to look to your Dem/Prog/Leftist destructive results.

        • smilee

          They are your whipping boys to rid yourself of this false frustration.

      • Vis Fac

        I see you are in agreement with the current administration so I invite you to take a few steps backwards take a breath or two and objectively observe all that has transpired since 2008.

        Forget about Fast and Furious Benghazi NSA IRS and those other malfeasances in office. Let’s focus solely on Zimmerman OK/ Why would the POTUS and AG make such an issue over one of thousands of cases involving a black teen UNLESS it was a race baiting issue? Why are the POTUS and AG ardently interjecting PERSONAL bias? Think about all the lies the POTUS told pertaining to our second amendment rights that he cannot “legally” circumvent. Now think about this the POTUS wants complete control and the only way to achieve this is ti be able to declare MARTIAL LAW. What better way to achieve this than create a racial war? We saw what happened in New Orleans when Catrina hit when police disarmed the citizens. The same will happen under Martial Law only on a much grander scale.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • nc

          Force, if Obama wanted to exercise complete control he would merely order the military or Federal agents to take Zimmerman back into custody and hold him in one of those FEMA camps! Will he do that before he cancels the next election like he cancelled the 2012 elections and declared himself dictator? He did do that didn’t he?? NO?? Your buddies here were so sure it would happen . Sorta like your martial law is going to happen!!!
          What we saw in New Orleans was an incompetent attempt to handle a crisis for which the bush administration apologized and Brownie left town! Spin it for what ever you choose!

          • Vis Fac

            Sure and face IMPEACHMENT Now that’s funny ONLY in LIBERAL LA LA Land

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

      • nc

        Mark, the only problem with your advice is that THESE Conservatives do not have any “failings’! At least none they will admit to!!

        • Vis Fac

          While DUMB DAVE is the brightest bulb in the pack right?

          Facts to you are those that are pulled out of thin air to swathe your ineptness on all things rational.
          Liberal one dimensional idiot-ology dictates you make things up as you go that way you can blame others for your failures. Nothing is ever your or your party’s fault So whenever you have trouble defending and/or nothing to substantiate you positions you simply fall back on the blaming of others then revert to character assassination.. Then all your liberal inadequacies are soon to be forgotten

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

  • Louis Lemieux

    “Most Americans want to be in control of their own destinies. The sad reality, though, is that many Americans believe themselves to be in control of their own destinies when they are not. They believe they are informed when they are actually ignorant.”
    This is typical thinking of someone who is frustrated with his fellow citizens because for too long too many of them have not been sharing his point of view at the polls.

    • Blank Reg

      And look at the results of all that “voting” going on for just the last 50 years, let alone 100. I think the guy made his point well.

      • Louis Lemieux

        So you’re frustrated too just like he is. For my part I believe in the general wisdom of my fellow citizens and I believe we are on the right path.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Except it was the general wisdom of your fellow citizens which have brought in the welfare state, the economic distress, racial divide, stupidity in education, etc., etc.. So what you don’t want to admit is that you fear the general wisdom of your fellow citizens and try to BS your own mind that if you believe it good will come out of it. Except reality does not bear you out, a good tree will not give bad fruit, or a fig tree bear thorns. Your lying to yourself and us will not work. There are plain out evil people in the US and they do evil. But you better find a good standard that spells out evil.

          • Louis Lemieux

            We do need a limited welfare state if we don’t want to go back to the inhumane suffering to which many Americans were subjected. We don’t live in a perfect world and there will always be economic distress, racial divide and some stupidity in education, but there are plenty of people out there who are happily making it economically, who don’t view other races as being inferior and who are getting good jobs because of a good education. There are evil people out there, but there are a lot more decent people who have faith in their country and believe we should be working towards what unites us, not what divides us.

          • Vis Fac

            I hate to burst your bubble Louis we do not have a “limited welfare” state nor can one exist. Welfare is not a provide all for those who will not provide for themselves. People like ease and once tasting ease refuse to return to having to fend for themselves.

            Welfare and dependence on a failing government system is epidemic. Less than half of working age adults are employed half of those in non productive government jobs.How long you you hope to sustain things as they are and not crumble into dust?

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Louis Lemieux

            If we don’t have a limited welfare state as you are saying then we don’t have any welfare state at all or we have a full welfare state and me and you are on it!!!
            No doubt there are abuses but most Americans want to get ahead in life and provide for themselves.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It is not your money to give, Louis. You are a thief and an enslaver.

          • Louis Lemieux

            It’s my country and we have to share to insure domestic tranquility and promote the general welfare.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, Louis, this isn’t your country. You and your Progressive ilk have just stolen it, like you steal everything else you want.

          • Louis Lemieux

            If six or more people (democrats, republicans) forming a group of ten decide they want each individual to give money to purchase something they need for their activities, they all have to pitch in. Those who are against it (libertarians) have a choice to make. Contribute and stay with the group and try to convince the group not to do it again or they can leave the group ( leave the country).

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I don’t recall signing any contracts, Louis. And I don’t recall you showing me any ownership papers for the country that you claim ownership for.

          • Louis Lemieux

            Your U.S. birth certificate and mine and your U.S. residency and mine, means you and I are in the same group ( American).

          • Dave

            Liar, Reagan, Bush 1, Bush 2, Eisenhower, Nixon… You are a shining example of a lying conservative apologist.

          • Vis Fac

            Fine with me then NO WELFARE. Most Americans want to live on the DOLE if not we wouldn’t have the problems we had prior to the economic meltdown. You are only fooling yourself if you believe what you said.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Louis Lemieux

            OK. You said we don’t have a limited welfare and now you say we should have no welfare. Must be then we have full welfare and you and I are on it!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Louis says — “We do need a limited welfare state if we don’t want to go back to the inhumane suffering to which many Americans were subjected”.
            What keeps you and the others like you, Louis, from helping those people voluntarily? Why must you take money from unwilling donors (theft)?
            And why do you think a system (Socialism), which has proven throughout history to impoverish the citizens of those countries who practice it, is the answer to those peoples’ poverty and suffering?

          • Louis Lemieux

            I do help, I have been sponsoring a child in Guatemala for many years. If well-do-do Americans were not helping enough, before welfare came into being, to prevent people from starving, what makes you think it would be different today?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Good for you, Louis (sponsoring a child). But that still gives you no right to donate other peoples’ money.
            No good people starved before welfare came into being (excepting those perhaps lost in the woods or some such thing). There are always charitable people who will help those who are truly in need. And they can help more if Liberal Progressives aren’t stealing their money to be wasted on Government Employees and used by the Politicians to buy votes.
            Nobody has a right to enslave another man, Louis, even if you are too ignorant to help yourself.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Louis says — “There are evil people out there”.
            There sure are, Louis. People who force their way on others using Government as their Proxy Forcers. People who take property from other people using Government as their Proxy Thieves.
            You are in both of those groups, Louis. You are part of the Society of Criminals:
            http://mises.org/daily/4125

          • Louis Lemieux

            According to you evil people take our money without our permission to buy traffic lights to prevent mayhem in our cities!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It is evil when you force somebody to pay for something they don’t use, Louis. And especially when you give it to the Government who typically wastes the money. There is no excuse whatever these days for the users of a service not to pay for it themselves.
            Please don’t ask me how they would do that, Louis, because there isn’t enough time in the day to teach you anything that isn’t childishly simple. You could read this though and maybe learn something:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf
            Who am I kidding? Louis understanding Murray Rothbard? Not a chance.

          • Louis Lemieux

            So government using our money for traffic lights is a waste of money and we should all buy individually our own traffic light because some people don’t use them!

            No, thank you! I’m not going to read what you’re reading and become confused like you are!!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Hyperbole, Louis. Like your traffic light example in the first place. What portion of the Government’s money is spent on traffic lights?
            I’m confused? You’re the one who thinks everybody ought to pay for things even if they don’t use them.
            In Free Markets the necessary services would be paid for by the actual users. There wouldn’t be immoral creatures like yourself, Louis, who thought the users should be able to get a free ride on the backs of the non-users.

          • Louis Lemieux

            Traffic lights is just one of many things that the public needs and the government will tax you for those things. I don’t call that stealing but you do.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I gave you a book to read, Louis, in which Murray Rothbard explains a better, more moral, more cost-effective way of providing streets and infrastructure, without Forcing anybody to do anything they don’t agree to.
            But you have to do something that is apparently anathema to your Liberal Progressive illogical mind — read it.
            Even so, traffic lights are a very very small portion of the many things that Monopoly Government forces on people which they could easily get more cheaply, more quickly, and more politely from Private Businesses.
            Like I said you are being hyperbolic, a typical Liberal Progressive tactic.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          I love that Liberal Progressive Double Speak (not).
          Louis says — “For my part I believe in the general wisdom of my fellow citizens and I believe we are on the right path”.

          But then he turns around and votes for Big Government to steal our money and make our personal choices — for our own good.
          Actions speak louder than words, Louis.

          • Louis Lemieux

            You may think I double speak but I don’t. We have choices to make when we vote. I don’t always vote for the same political party. If I believe our government is going too far to the left I will vote otherwise. It’s the way our country moves forward, staying more or less close to the center.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Indeed the majority of Americans are clueless. Is that what you aspire to, Louis?

      • Louis Lemieux

        “Clueless”: lacking understanding and knowledge.
        Because I prefer different political views than yours doesn’t mean I’m clueless. We’re all clueless of something but not necessarily of the same things. No one knows everything.

  • red neck

    “or we can remain divided and conquered”….. Collectivism is a farce…..
    This country has never been more divided, after all it is the Saul Alinsky play book that is held in such high regard through the obama administration… Divided we will be however to be “conquered” is ones own personal decision…

    • mark

      Our country has always been deeply divided along political lines all throughout our history starting with the debate over ratifying the Constitution and the bitter divide between Federalists and Republicans in the 1790s that verged on civil war. Today is nothing new and more the norm than the exception. The myth of a united America is just that a myth. With the exceptions of relatively short and popular wars (like World War II that lasted 3 years and 8 months) and dire emergencies like the 9/11 attacks (unity there lasted a mere 18 months before Bush invaded Iraq in March 2003) Americans of different political persuasions have always been in strong opposition to one another. Even during wars, such as the War of 1812 when the country was actually invaded, the Mexican War, the Civil War (naturally), the War of 1898, Vietnam (massive divides then make today’s look like a picnic) huge divisions wracked our nation, including calls for secession ( the 1814 Hartford Convention), the impeachment of the president, Senatorial debates to end wars while our troops were still fighting in the field, etc.) About the only thing Americans have agreed upon throughout our entire history is to disagree. This is how things work in a democratic republic and it is one of America’s enduring strengths – our deep and continuing divisions.

      • smilee

        Right on again

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        mark says — “Our country has always been deeply divided along political lines all throughout our history starting with the debate over ratifying the Constitution and the bitter divide between Federalists and Republicans in the 1790s that verged on civil war”.
        The Republican Party was formed in 1854.
        Did you mean the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists?
        http://mises.org/daily/2335

        • mark

          You are talking about the Third American Political Party system of the 1850s, Dave, I was referring to the 1790s and the First: the Federalists vs. the Jeffersonian Republicans sometimes referred to as the Democratic-Republicans (as Jefferson and his followers believed in a fair amount of democracy, believe it or not, or at least more than the Federalists). This party later morphed into the National Republicans in the 1820s with the demise of the Federalists. The Second American Party system developed in the late 1820s-1830s with the creation of the Democratic Party under Jackson and Van Buren with a largely Jeffersonian orientation in opposition to an amalgamation of former National Republicans and those with Federalist leanings into the new Whig Party led by Henry Clay. The Third and final American political party system emerged in the 1850s with the demise of the Whigs as a national party and their regrouping along with admixtures of the Liberty Party (abolitionists), the American Party (nativists), the Free Soil Party (opposed to the expansion of slavery), and strong remnants of the old Northern Whigs in 1854, you are correct about that date, into the new Republican Party. But there were Jeffersonian Republicans in the 1790s referred to as Anti-Federalists earlier during the Constitutional ratification debate. These earlier Republicans were, of course, very different from the much more statist, and economically interventionist Republicans of the 1850s as you well know.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      At this point in history our nation is safest when it is divided into Individuals. Sheep/People that are scattered are harder to catch than if they were penned up and in close herd. Why else do you think the Politicians of all persuasions try to corral people.

      • Vis Fac

        You’re penned alright you just don’t realize it. Your digital and other footprints are as easy to follow as breadcrumbs on a trail. The NSA CIA FBI DOD know who and where you are.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

    • smilee

      In the years leading up to the civil war we were much more divided than we are now especially after the dred scott decision which was rendered four years before the war began and was the reason of the country turned to Abraham Lincoln and when the southern delegations lost power in the 1860 elections they seceded and we then fought the civil war, conditions were far worse then than now! We got past that and this will pass too.

    • nc

      red neck, I think the position that “we will ruin the economy if necessary to make the president a one term president” is the clearest expression of a divided nation I have ever heard. Which side did that come from? Did Saul write that??I have they feeling that the adult independents who voted for Obama do not imagine the Saul- Obama connection that controls your mind!

  • mark

    “Our country was built on the philosophy of noninterventionism.” Oh, really Mr. Smith? Where do people get the authority to write articles on this blog? The interventionism of “the past decade?” Unreal. Please sing the praises of our famous “non-interventionism” to the Amerindians, the Tejanos, the Mexicans, the Hawaiians, the Cubans, the Puerto Ricans, the Filipinos, the Panamanians, the Nicaraguans, the Hondurans, the Haitians, the Dominicans, the Chinese, the Guatemalans, the Koreans, the Iranians, the Vietnamese, the Cambodians, the Laotians, the Chileans, the Salvadorans, the Grenadans, the Bosnians, the Kosovoans, the Serbians, the Somalis, the Lebanese in 1982-83, the Libyans in 1986, the Iraqis in 1990, the Europeans in 2 massive world wars, etc., etc., etc. All Americans have ever done throughout their entire history is constantly invade other countries, conquer other people’s territory, overthrow their governments, intervene in their wars. Have you ever even opened a history book? We have always been one of the most interventionist countries in world history, starting very early and continuing right up until today. What dream world are you living in, Mr. Smith?

    • dan

      i believe you left out the Germans , Japanese ans Soviet Union

      • mark

        I also left out the Spanish in Florida who Andrew Jackson invaded twice eventually forcing them to sell it to us at the point of a gun in 1819. Shortly after that our ‘non-interventionist” forces began the genocidal war against the Seminoles

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          So you disagree with Obama’s wars, mark?

          • mark

            I oppose any U.S. intervention in Syria by Obama. I opposed Clinton’s interventions in the Balkans and Somalia. I opposed Johnson’s invasion of Vietnam. I supported the U.S. intervention under Obama in Libya because Gaddafi murdered 189 American civilians over Lockerbie Scotland and any chance to mete out justice to him for this mass murder and violation of international law should have been taken. I just wish Obama’s predecessors had acted earlier against him.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            But they didn’t. So to go in decades later using any other excuse can not be justified, no matter how hard you try, mark.

      • mark

        Good point about the Soviets that I also neglected, Dan. The United States invaded and occupied parts of the Soviet Union 1918-1920.

    • Ron the Marine

      Why then don’t you get the hell out of the United States? You stupid cool-aide drinkers! Why are the souls from the countries you listed wanting to live in this CHRISTIAN nation? FREEDOM YOU INFIDEL!

      • Vis Fac

        The first line of Mark’s rebuttal sailed completely over his head when he ignored two words “was built” Not what our nation has become.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • Dave

          Why is it when intelectually limited conservatives get holes in their arguements pointed out they have the arrogance to believe they are the only ones worthy of living in this country and being patriots? Must be genetic somehow…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Why is it that intellectually limited Liberal Progressives rarely offer intelligent debate, but almost always go to the ad hominem attacks?

          • Dave

            Projecting your own ad hominem attack history on others yet again DaveH?

      • NC

        Ron, you are exactly right for the wrong reasons. legal IMMIGRANTS ARE ACCEPTED here WITH the right to practice their own religion even if it is not Christianity. If it is not Christianity are they infidels? Does that hurt their productivity as citizens? Does it automatically mean they are un-American if they are not Christians?
        WHERE DOES THE WORD CHRISTIAN APPEAR IN OUR CONSTITUTION? WITH PEN IN HAND AND THE ABILITY TO STATE THIS WOULD BE A “CHRISTIAN NATION” WHY DID THE DRAFTERS OF THE CONSTITUTION NOT SAY THAT?? WHY, IN FACT, DID THEY STATE SPECIFICALLY THAT OUR CONGRESS COULD NOT SAY THAT EITHER????
        REASON: CHRISTIAN COLONISTS WERE AFRAID THAT OTHER “CHRISTIAN COLONIST” WHO PRACTICED A DIFFERNT BRAND OF “CHRISTIANITY” WOULD FORCE IT ON THEM> THEY WEREN’T AFRAID OF MUSLIMS OR HINDUS, THEY WERE SCARED TO DEATH OF OTHER “CHRISTIANS!”
        YOU ARE AWARE OF THE PRE-CONSTITUTION CONFICTS AND PERSECUTIONS THAT HAD OCCURRED AMONG PROTESTANTS, CHURCH OF ENGLAND PROTESTANTS AND THE CATHOLCS (ALL CHRISTIANS) IN THE COUNTRIES WHERE THE COLONISTS OR THEIR ANCESTORS HAD LIVED! THAT IS WHY WE WERE NEVER A ‘CHRISTIAN NATION” BECAUSE CHRISTIANS CAN BE VERY MEAN! ESPECIALLY TO EACH OTHER IF WE CAN BELIEVE HISTORY!!!

        • WTS/JAY

          Hey nut-case, it was the Puritans (Christians) that gave us a legacy of regular elections, the secret ballot, the federalist principle and even the beginnings of the separation of church and state ” largely to protect a religious people from government encroachment. For instance, ministers in Puritan New England were prohibited from holding office.

          Of course, the Puritans had their faults. Nonetheless, the Puritan’s intellectual power came from mastery of the Bible and their moral power came from living the Bible. Perhaps this has something to do with why they have been so thoroughly denigrated in modern times…?

    • smilee

      Interesting points, which are rarely talked about, when they took over Hawaii they kept the queen under house arrest and stripped her of all her power by force.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      That’s what our country has become in spite of our Founders’ (especially the anti-Federalists’) best efforts. It has become that way thanks to Progressives on one side or the other using their Liberal and Neoconservative tag teams to grow Government to its current Leviathan State.
      What mark has described are the actions of the State, not the desires of the people, and even when desired by the people, they are people who have not been given the full story.
      The odd thing about mark is that he will rail about our country’s meddling, but then turn a blind eye to it when it is initiated by somebody on his own team.

      • Dave

        “The people” just enjoyed the “fruits” of that intervention… Including corporate conservatives like you… People like you just don’t like to see the ugly underbelly of who we came to be.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          You’re right, Dave. Due to your anonymity I can’t see you.

          • Dave

            As you as well…For all I know, you are trying to destroy this country from Austria.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            But I do know that you are a Shill, Dave.
            But not a very good one. But then, they’re paying you with taxpayer money, so why should they care if you’re effective or not?

          • Dave

            LOL… a liar and ignorant… Typical from a paid employee of PLD

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            And this, Folks, is your typical Liberal Progressive who thinks he knows best how to run your lives.
            Thank you for posting, Shill Dave, so people can see the Real wizard behind the curtain.

          • Dave

            And once again you are a liar… do you even know where your lies end and reality begins? How much does your boss BobL pay you… is it better than Walmart greeter scale.

      • mark

        Not true Dave, if you take a close look at the numerous invasions and interventions that I castigate as immoral and un-Constitutional in my list above, the majority were committed by Democratic presidents, though quite a few Republican administrations even conservative ones, (Reagan in Libya, Grenada, and Lebanon for instance), also ordered them.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          mark,
          I know you have acted as apologist for Obama’s various military excursions in the past. But since you log in as guest it is more work than I want to do to prove that. However, if you are starting to become more consistent in your disapproval of US military meddling, I applaud you for that.

          • mark

            Thanks, Dave, see we do agree on some things after all. But I still don’t get “Obama’s various military incursions in the past.” He has only had one: Libya which you are right I did support, I’ve never denied this. Obama inherited the Iraq War which he withdrew from completely in 2011 as he promised he would. He also inherited Afghanistan, in which he briefly surged, (this was a mistake that I opposed) but will withdraw from in 2014. He has already drawn down our current troop levels there to less than what he inherited despite the complaints of Lindsay Graham and John McCain who oppose ” precipitous U.S. withdrawal” from Afghanistan next year as they did from Iraq in 2011. They wanted to maintain a permanent 10-15,000 man “training force” there that both Obama and the Iraqi gov’t rejected.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Our military is all over the Globe, and Obama is the Commander-in-Chief. The buck stops with Obama unless he withdraws the troops or at least protests their deployment vociferously.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear mark,

            You write: “But I still don’t get “Obama’s various military incursions in the past.” He has only had one: Libya…” And Pakistan, and Yemen and Somalia and Syria. http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/aug/02/us-drone-strikes-data

            Best wishes,
            Bob

      • nc

        Aboriginal. do you think the anti-federalist were in any way involved in the intervention of the Indians and their affairs when their lands were taken> Did the great Christain God decree that the white man would own all the land from the Atlantic to the Pacific?? Did he say don’t mind those Red People! I only put them there so you can Western movies!!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Non sequitur, NutCase.

    • WTS/JAY

      All true, mark, which should make you wonder; who is in control? Here’s a hint, all the major wars, beginning with WW1, didn’t start until after 1913. All the wars previous to that, were mostly civil-wars, with a couple of exceptions, the Mexican and the Spanish American wars. You see, 1913 was a grand victory for the banking interests and bureaucrats whose primary desire was to consolidate power in Washington D.C., destroy the power of the individual and of the states, and grow the coffers of the U.S. government at any cost. It was a beautiful plan which worked because war was looming and money was needed to finance it. All the major wars in which Americans were embroiled took place after 1913. Coincidence? Not really, as all wars are banker’s wars.

      Behind all the wars, all the assassinations, and the hundred million horrible deaths from all the wars, lies a single policy of dictatorship. The private central bankers allow rulers to rule only on the condition that the people of a nation be enslaved to the private central banks. Failing that, said ruler will be killed, and their nation invaded by those other nations enslaved to private central banks.

      So off to war your children must go, to spill their blood for the money-junkies’ gold. We barely survived the last two world wars. In the nuclear/bioweapon age, are the private central bankers willing to risk incinerating the whole planet just to feed their greed? Apparently so.

      Flag waving and propaganda aside, all modern wars are wars by and for the private bankers, fought and bled for by third parties unaware of the true reason they are expected to gracefully be killed and crippled for. The process is quite simple. As soon as the Private Central Bank issues its currency as a loan at interest, the public is forced deeper and deeper into debt. When the people are reluctant to borrow any more, that is when the Keynesian economists demand the government borrow more to keep the pyramid scheme working.

      When both the people and government refuse to borrow any more, that is when wars are started, to plunge everyone even deeper into debt to pay for the war, then after the war to borrow more to rebuild. When the war is over, the people have about the same as they did before the war, except the graveyards are far larger and everyone is in debt to the private bankers for the next century. This is why Brown Brothers Harriman in New York was funding the rise of Adolf Hitler.

      The United States fought the American Revolution primarily over King George III’s Currency act, which forced the colonists to conduct their business only using printed bank notes borrowed from the Bank of England at interest.

      Financed by the Rothschild controlled Bank of England, Britain launched the war of 1812 to recolonize the United States and force them back into the slavery of the Bank of England, or to plunge the United States into so much debt they would be forced to accept a new private central bank. And the plan worked. Even though the War of 1812 was won by the United States, Congress was forced to grant a new charter for yet another private bank issuing the public currency as loans at interest, the Second Bank of the United States.

      In 1832 Andrew Jackson successfully campaigned for his second term as President under the slogan, “Jackson And No Bank!” True to his word, Jackson succeeded in blocking the renewal of the charter for the Second Bank of the United States. Shortly after, there was an attempted assassination which failed when both pistols used by the assassin, Richard Lawrence, failed to fire. Lawrence later said that with Jackson dead, “Money would be more plenty.”

      When the Confederacy seceded from the United States, the bankers once again saw the opportunity for a rich harvest of debt, and offered to fund Lincoln’s efforts to bring the south back into the union, but at 30% interest. Lincoln remarked that he would not free the black man by enslaving the white man to the bankers and using his authority as President, issued a new government currency, the greenback. Goaded by the private bankers, much of Europe supported the Confederacy against the Union, with the expectation that victory over Lincoln would mean the end of the Greenback. France and Britain considered an outright attack on the United States to aid the confederacy, but were held at bay by Russia. Left free of European intervention, the Union won the war, and Lincoln announced his intention to go on issuing greenbacks. Following Lincoln’s assassination, the Greenbacks were pulled from circulation and the American people forced to go back to an economy based on bank notes borrowed at interest from the private bankers.

      Congress passed the Federal Reserve Act over Christmas holiday 1913, while members of Congress opposed to the measure were at home. This was a very underhanded deal, as the Constitution explicitly vests Congress with the authority to issue the public currency, does not authorize its delegation, and thus should have required a new Amendment to transfer that authority to a private bank. But pass it Congress did, and President Woodrow Wilson signed it as he promised the bankers he would in exchange for generous campaign contributions. Wilson later regretted that decision.

      The next year, World War One started, and it is important to remember that prior to the creation of the Federal Reserve, there was no such thing as a world war.

      with credit to: http://thearrowsoftruth.com/all-wars-are-bankers-wars/

      • nc

        Wts/ you can rewrite history and a few cranks will always believe it . I think the Germans and their allies were more interested in carving up Europe and than they were in the US Federal Reserve.
        Japan wanted oil and rubber but made a tactical error by jumping on the US and it’s Federal Reserve! You know, the “sleeping giant”
        What made wars “world wars” was steam and diesel power and the airplane. Until something bigger and faster than a sailing ship came on the scene none of our wars were “world wars”!!
        Those who are “wannabe leaders” always find a “whipping boy” among the leaders! With you and Mr. BOB et al it’s the Federal Reserve!

  • Michael Shreve

    Indeed, from time to time we should ALL ask ourselves if we HAVE any principles, and if so, what they are. The U.S. too should have principles, but do we even know what they ARE anymore? WHEN YOU COMPROMISE YOUR PRINCIPLES, YOU NO LONGER HAVE ANY.

  • Bill

    Good Article, Brandon

  • Stuart Shepherd

    There is a painting, a ceiling fresco, in the Admont abbey, by Bartolomeo Altomonte, depicting the Enlightenment (following the dark ages after the fall of the Roman Empire). It shows Aurora, goddess of the dawn, accompanied by the five geniuses of the enlightenment- grammar, didacticism, Hebrew, Greek, Latin- coming to wake morpheus, the sleeping god (representing mankind). The enlightenment led to John Locke and political philosophers that led to the Declaration of Independence and Liberty. The 5 geniuses of our dienlightenment have been collectivism, amorality, FDR, LBJ, and BHO. The disenlightenment is completed, as far as I’m concerned. Sorry, Brandon. My geniuses are a .22, a .45, and assorted companions.

  • dan

    do unto others as you would have them do unto you…..
    words to live by if only people would

    • Dave

      Perfectly said Dan. If only people would adhere to that.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        If only YOU would adhere to that, Dave.
        Would you like others to help themselves to your property?
        Would you like others to make your personal choices?

        • Dave

          More gibberish from Corporatist DaveH…I have never said anything of the sort or advocated anything of the sort.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sure you do, Dave.
            So you’re saying that you don’t support the Healthcare takeover by Obama?
            So you’re saying you don’t support the distribution of wealth performed by Obama?

          • Dave

            You lie again… its not a HC takeover… its a law insisting that everyone pay into a system since everyone uses HC and it is PRIVATE insurance…
            You lie again, wealth distribution that has destroyed the country is wealthy paying for policy that benefits their wallet… But thats ok with corporatists who support big money in the political process like you.
            Do you have any more lies

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Dave,

            You write: “its a law insisting that everyone pay into a system since everyone uses HC and it is PRIVATE insurance…” No. It is crony capitalist insurance. Don’t you decry coporatism? If it were private there would a free market, not government-controlled “exchanges.” BTW: You never responded to my question about joining me in a call to repeal the 16th Amendment, since you are so troubled by those lazy southerners getting more back from the Federal government (your words) than is stolen from them.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Dave

            Bob,
            The HC law is not perfect and I prefer getting the corp-Insurance model abolished and having the control put back to the individual and doctor where it belongs…Have the compnay pay a portion as a benefit but put the system in a more competitive model.
            But it is better than what he had previously… If the 16th Amendment was repealed, your state would be an even bigger 3rd world entity than it already is. Just enjoy NJ, NY, and CA subsidizing your desire to be “left alone”

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Dave,

            You write: ” If the 16th Amendment was repealed, your state would be an even bigger 3rd world entity than it already is.” Dave the bigot continues to show us how wonderfully compassionate progressives are.

            You write: “Just enjoy NJ, NY, and CA subsidizing your desire to be ‘left alone’.” I would prefer that government not steal from people in NJ, NY and CA. I would prefer that government not steal from anyone. It would not have to if it returned to its Constitutionally-defined parameters. You, on the other hand, advocate theft as long as the confiscated monies go to your preferred projects (and not to lazy southerners).

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Everybody breathes the air also, Dave. So you wouldn’t consider it a takeover if the Government decided to control the air we breathe? You logic is severely lacking, Dave, which is understandable given that you are a Liberal Progressive.

      • dan

        when you’re right,you’re right , Dave ;)
        it ain’t easy…but we need to try.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Simple statement except using semantics people twist those words to mean that what they want done others have to do because. Are you talking about what is said in the Word of God or what was taught in the schools by teachers who never opened the Book but were teaching Humanism and they were taught by teachers who taught Humanism and back and back and back in time as far as you want to go.

      • dan

        I go with the words in red, Nad…and aspire to the original intent
        although I find it a challenge at times. I know what you mean about the twisting and turning…recognizied it at a tender age
        and view all organized religeon with as much suspicion as…
        any government. Too many seem to worship the government as if it’s the source of all good things instead of the servant that it should be.

  • Dave

    Today, and its been this way for a real long time…
    We stand for money… Nothing is work doing unless you make a profit at it.
    We stand for I get mine, hell with the rest of you. That “idividualism” Brandon speaks of is a double edged sword…That individualism has manifested itself into selfishness at the expense of the country. We can’t even solve some of the most simple problems this country faces because the question is always “whats in it for me”. the focus on the individual is good only up to a point… We have long since passed that point…
    We stand for “I can’t be bothered, America’s Got Talent is on TV”. If America involves itself in Syria, Who will protest? In 2003 we had liberals who were labled “traitors” by conservatives and their glorius leader George W Bush for daring question the intelligence of going to war in Iraq. If Obama and Congress OK this new misadventure, who will be angry enough to protest? All you conservatives who sat on your butts in 2003? Liberal Democrats who feel like that must protect Obama the corporatist? Apparently we have too much going on in our lives to demand that out Gov that is supposed to represent the people, not Corp America to do the right thing by this country.
    We stand for inhibiting religious freedom (unless its theirs). Christian kooks in this country are passing laws prohibiting sharia law (as if there is such threat)… in NC, TX etc… But these same kooks feel like they are under attack because Gov enforces the 1st Amendment, making sure there is no state sponsered religion and they have the nerve to with there is a war on Christianity in this country even though we have expanded Christmas into a glorious month long celebration of consumerism and these Christians have at least 4 networks dedicated to their propaganda.
    We stand for being the police, judge, jury when it comes to who have have what weapons in this world in order to justify the military industrial complex’s bloated 700B a year budget. In 1989, the USSR fell… that was our #1 boogeyman….So what did George H Bush do in 1989? He tricked Saddam Hussien into becoming the next boogeyman but telling him through our diplomat in Iraq that local land disputes (Kuwait) were none of our business. Then in George W Bush hit the jackpot…. 9/11…. We no longer go to war now against a country… we are at war with a tactic (terrorism) and that means we are free to be in a state of perpetual war.
    The world Brandon advocates is old world, old way thinking that is gone because we as the American people have given up our ultimate authority over our Gov. So many fear our gov when it should be the other way around. So many drink the Corp kool-aid that says corps are good, moral and the “free market” knows best. There is no such thing as a “free market” in the era of the industrial nation-state with multiple currencies… That is why middle class wages have stagnated since 1980. Its is the corporations buying that tax, trade and economic policy that has hamstrung this country.
    We need better…That means getting all big money out of the polictical process… If a politician doesn’t stand for that, they should be shown the door… End of story.

    • WTS/JAY

      You have a lot of issues, don’t you, Dave?

      • Dave

        Not really, I don’t consider you, DaveH8, Bob L, Jeffrey shoot-em up bang bang issues… I see you and other conservatives like you proof that conservatism is a mental disease.

        • WTS/JAY

          Like i said, Dave, you have a lot of issues, and one that seems to be most at the forefront with you, is anger. You came to this site already good and angry to begin with, and you are still, quite an angry liberal-progressive, i must say; not to mention, confused. But many like you, have come before you, spewing their hatred, ignorance, bigotry and racism, much like you are doing right now; and if you look around, most are here no more. But you, you are still here, carrying on their futile legacy of stupidy, thinking you can exact some change, perhaps infect us with your disease; liberal-progressivism. But all your efforts will fail, because the antidote to the virus that you carry and wish to infect us with, is truth. And yet, as sick as you are, you refuse treatment. We offer it to you freely, but you refuse. Fine. So go ahead and knock yourself out, spend what energy you have left on your idiotic and pointless crusade, it will all be for naught; and you will end up a mere shell of a man; hollow inside, vacant and spent…the legacy of a fool!

          • Dave

            LOL… look in the mirror Jay. Please do not project your problems on to me. A conservative and truth sit on opposite ends of the spectrum

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            And libturds/progturds and lies sit on the same side of the spectrum. Here are some articles describing the pretender in office and what he should do as a matter of principle.
            http://www.tpnn.com/allen-west-calls-obama-out-on-syria-benghazi-obama-has-a-history-of-voting-present/
            http://www.dailycaller.com/2013/09/01/bolton-obama-weakest-president-since-buchanan-kerry-should-resign-as-matter-of-principle-video/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “Better to fight for something than to die for nothing.”
            General George S. Patton, Jr.
            American General and War Hero

          • Dave

            Samurai, you are everything the founders faought against… You are a liar on top of it all… Allen West? Really? That just proves you throw in with the right wing extremists….
            I know more about thruth that you do Jay, I can admit when I am wrong and when a liberal makes a mistake or is wrong… You and your boyfriends DaveH and Jeffrey shoot-em up bang bang can do that as conservatives… you simply re-catagorize them as neo-cons… That is how much of a loser you guys are and how delusional conservatives are.

          • WTS/JAY

            What would you, a liberal-progressive, know about truth, except for being very adept at twisting and distorting the truth, Dave?

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Good one, Brandon, as usual.

  • nc

    BRANDON, you base you arguments of what should be done because “many Americans” believe like you. Which side did you vote for in 2012? If you voted Libertarian then 98% (many Americans) did not support your position.
    If you voted Republican there were also “many Americans” who did not agree with those positions.SEE ELECTION RESULTS.
    If you think your “many Americans’ should have their way what about the many MORE AMERICANS AND THEIR WAY?
    The Constitution settles that argument by seating the “choice” of “the many AMERICANS ‘ according to it’s methods!
    You condemn those who have a collective allegiance to the government? Obviously you have forgotten WWII when our collective allegiance to our government was our “shining hour”‘ The GREATEST GENERATION!!
    OUR MOST SOCIALIST INSTITUTION IS OUR MILITARY! WHAT IS IT FOR? THE PROTECTION OF THOSE WITH A COLLECTIVE ALLEGIANCE TO THE GOVERNMENT TO THE POINT THEY DO NOT WANT TO DISBAND IT! THAT’S EVERYONE, EXCEPT FOR A FEW CRANKS!
    Please go on for another 100 pages if necessary and explain how you believe in your last sentence in Spiritual Freedom ( which I support) and still condone forcing students and teachers, who might not wish to, to daily face a religious teaching ( The Ten Commandents) straight from a specific religion’s document( which I do not condone) ????????That is not exactly “leaving every else to hell alone.”

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      NC says — “If you voted Libertarian then 98% (many Americans) did not support your position”.
      98% of the people who voted, which was about 123 million people, which was about 39% of the US population.
      Regardless, only about 2% of the population scores in the 98th percentile on national testing. Are those 2% wrong?
      How many ignorant Liberal Progressives does it take to make one intelligent Libertarian?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      NC says — “If you voted Libertarian then 98% (many Americans) did not support your position”.
      98% of the people who voted, which was about 123 million people, which was about 39% of the US population.
      Regardless, only about 2% of the population scores in the 98th percentile on national testing. Are those 2% wrong?
      How many ignorant Liberal Progressives does it take to make one intelligent Libertarian?

      • nc

        aboriginal, I know one Libertarian who thinks he’s the most brilliant Libertarian who thinks I am Dave which is an ignorant assumption!
        All I know it that there are more than 2% of Americans who think this is the greatest country in the world! History tells us we got here with more Liberal Progressive leadership than Livertarian (sic, but it has a ring to it) ) leadership!! You can’t lead with 2% so you have two other choices! Follow or get the hell out of the way!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          You ignoramus, NutCase. How long have you been pestering us? And you still don’t know there’s a system glitch that is putting the wrong ID in some comments?
          No, NutCase, I don’t think you are Dave. As much as I look down on him, you make him look downright normal.

          • nc

            ABORIGINAL, I WILL ACCEPT YOUR EXPLANATION NOW THAT THE “SYSTEM” HAS CORRECTED IT’S OWN (?) MISTAKE.
            For me and the other Americans who have an opinion that this country is not in as bad shape as you think it is please list the Libertarian leadership who got us to this point. Now please list the liberal leadership who got us here.
            Just in case the 98% of the voters who vote otherwise would want to know where we made our terrible mistakes in creating this mess!!! It is OK to let Mr. BOB help you with the lists while he’s winding you up!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What? Are you actually taking responsibility for our current bad economic condition, NutCase? I must not be reading your comment correctly.

          • WTS/JAY

            nc is 85 years of age, so we could be dealing with a person with Alzheimer’s disease…?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Imagine that — Alzheimer’s and Liberal Progressive. Scary.

          • WTS/JAY

            TODH: As much as I look down on him, you make him look downright normal.

            And by far more intelligent, which isn’t saying much.

      • mark

        Claiming that only 39% of the U.S. population voted in 2012 is a misleading statistic because some 23.5% of the U.S. population is already ineligible to vote: those under 18. Another estimated 2%can’t vote because they are current or ex-felons. If you set these two groups aside which any fair survey would, you come up with an estimated 57.5 % of eligible voters who cast ballots in 2012. Certainly not as high as it should be but much better than 39%.

        http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

        http://www.statisticbrain.com/presidential-election-voter-statistics/

        There is also zero evidence that the top 2% of Americans in intelligence testing voted Libertarian. No voter polling is conducted that uses IQ scoring as an indicator.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          mark says — “Claiming that only 39% of the U.S. population voted in 2012 is a misleading statistic”.
          What I said, mark, is true. Your daily comments are misleading, mark.

          mark says — “There is also zero evidence that the top 2% of Americans in intelligence testing voted Libertarian”.
          I didn’t say they did, mark. No wonder you thought my vote statement was misleading. Your reading comprehension needs some work.

          • KG

            i think 98% of that 2% voted for Mitt because Mitt voters are sooooooo smart!

    • speedle24

      NC, once again your posts betray your misunderstanding of most people that post on this blog. Think about the question/comment,

      “..You condemn those who have a collective allegiance to the government?” (The presumption would be those who do this are wrong).

      Now if you said it was a great thing to have a “collective allegiance to the Republic”, you would be thinking logically. But you said “government”, and there is a helluva big difference. Even in WWII there was no “allegiance to the government”. Rather it was patriotic allegiance to the “country”.

      It is the responsibility of Americans to individually and collectively be wary and suspicious of “the government” because it is supposed to work for us (and have allegiance to the citizenry). You probably think this is a fine and insignificant point, but it is not because it defines the differences in the basic ideology of progressives and conservatives.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      As my wife would say, “What a rant.” Here is another groups calling for the impeachment of Obama bin Laden. It deals with money and cronyism.
      http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/immediate-impeachment-hearings-urged/
      I guess you “leader” is starting to feel heat from all sides. It won’t be long before he has a fallout. BTW, since when to we teach the 10 Commandments to students in public schools? Though, by law, we are supposed to. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
      “There are no atheists in fox holes.”
      Samurai

      • Devin Adkison

        Due to the separation of church and state we are by law not supposed to teach the commandments in public schools more importantly. Most of our founding fathers were not Christian but were pagan and to help effectively fix our government to make it work properly we must eliminate the career choice of politics which will help greatly reduce our deficit and will balance our precious democracy based government that was not designed to be a paid position to prevent corruption from the greed of man and allows the system of checks and balances to work

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          There is no separation of church and state. Second, our founding fathers were Christians and not pagans. Just look at their written works, letters, speeches, journals, etc., and you’ll see for yourself. Third, can’t teach the 10 Commandments is school? Try going to certain schools across this country and they that. They’ll laugh you to scorn. Fourth, we are a republic and not a democracy. Remember, James Madison got the idea of our three branches of government from Isaiah 33:22. Here is an article that talks about what you and your ilk are trying to do to this country.
          http://www.aclj.org/in-god-we-trust/complete-idiots-guide-religious-heritage
          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
          “Faith consists in believing when it is beyond the power of reason to believe.”
          Voltaire

  • Carlucci

    Great article. I’m posting it on my FB page. I’m happy to say that some of the clueless friends on FB actually read and comment on articles like this. Many of them had been mired and distracted their entire lives by all of the claptrap from the lame stream media ass clowns. The good news is that some of these FB friends are even waking up, thanks to newsletters like this and the Natural News.

    Check this out: http://www.naturalnews.com/041883_Syria_chemical_weapons_sodium_fluoride.html

  • JeffH

    Brandon Smith, thank you for another “great” article. You are a fine example that the ideas of the founding fathers is still burning bright and is not completely lost in todays youth.

    Personally speaking, I was raised during the 50’s-60’s in N California and my parents, although not wealthy or perfect, taught me about personal responsibility and that if you wanted something or aspired to get ahead all it took was honesty, integrity, determination and hard work…and do not rely on anyone or anybody. We weren’t raised with racism nor affected by racism, the reason I find racists despicable.

    I am a proud American…believing in the “American Dream” of the house with the white picket fence, a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage. I am proud of the Stars and Stripes, the red, white and blue and I will not, for any reason, change that. I believe the “Pledge of Allegiance” should be recited in schools K-12 by the students that choose and I believe in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the Constitution and that it is the “Supreme Law” of the land.

    I am not proud of my corrupt government, all branches, with few exceptions…at all! I now realize just what a bunch of dopes we’ve all been, with few exceptions.

    Government is not my master and progressivism, a.k.a., communism will never replace what I grew up believing in.

    I say “Thank You” to Bob Livingston, his great staff and the good participants here at PLD(they know who they are) that have provided me with tools to garner the greatest education in my life.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Well said and keep up the good fight fellow patriot. Here is an article from a communist rag that endorses another type of sexual immorality. I guess they can’t smell the smoke and brimstone yet.
      http://www.redstate.com/2013/09/01/the-washington-post-endorses-pedophilia/
      What else with the 5th column try to do to this country? I see things happening from the Book of Revelation right before my eyes. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “Better dead than red.”
      Samurai

  • speedle24

    Brandon, my basic disagreement with this piece is the contention that “Americans want to see themselves as independent and self reliant”. I’m not so sure about that with regard to the current population make up. Possibly still a minority but a fast growing minority is that segment of the population that will gladly give up “independence and self-reliance” for an easy life of entitlement. As we know that is the reason that we still have the current regime in power even after a disastrous first term.

    The bottom line is that those “attached strings” are a bit too big a price to pay for those who have accepted the Progressive mantra. The strategy of keeping the useful idiots placated with free phones, social welfare, free healthcare, and essentially free legal care seems to be working.

  • KG

    Agent Smith, sorry I’m so late in responding, but our Founding Fathers left us a list of goals and aspirations that they wished for our country. It’s found in the Preamble of the Constitution:

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    Yea, the part you ‘libertarians’ hate because it shows a collective effort rather than the ‘rugged individual’ myth that pervades most Libertarian mindset. Agent Smith should spend more time actually reading documents he claims to support.

    • ibn insha

      Yes, form a union in which people will be individuals, free to do whatever makes them happy. Society is from individuals and not the other way around. Last time when I checked Jews, Christians and Muslims that constitute majority of the population of the world, believed that we all came from and individual named Adam and not the other way around.

      The logic of collectivism is that everybody should strive for a common goal. How is that possible? Each human has different needs, desires and drives.Humans are not logical machines. They are logical and emotional beings. They sometimes do things because it is logical and sometimes just because they feel like it. Either way it is his personal gain that takes precedence. That is human nature. You cannot change that. But collectivists believe that human nature can be subdued and individuals can be programmed, like computer, to do the same thing.

      Individualism is a human trait that distinguished one person from the other. In a union where individuals strive for individual gain actually help the whole union or society as a result. Time and again, only if one has the ability to discern, it has been proven that collectivism does not work. The gain is not always physical. Sometimes we help other people because we agree with their principles and helping them gives us a satisfaction. The satisfaction is our gain. No wonder communism never last long.

      • Alan

        Excellent rebuttal my friend!

      • KG

        It takes a village to make a rugged individualist.

    • Charlie

      KG ,,, just ,,, who was the First CEO for America ,,, and what was The first Law Book for America ???

      • KG

        It has been said that the American Revolution had two primary leaders: George Washington on the battlefield, and John Hanson in politics. He signed the Articles of Confederation in 1781 after Maryland finally joined the other states in ratifying them.

        The United States and most Commonwealth countries are heirs to the common law legal tradition of English law.

        • Charlie

          KG ,,, you are about 150 years behind ,,, “”America”” started with The Mayflower Compact ,,, that “”Compact””,,, NOT a union agreement ,,, was drawn up by William Bradford , and he was CEO of America from about 1620 to 1650 ,,, voted in year after year by 100% of the , Male, only voters… How many Union Leaders have held Office that long ? …………….
          William Bradford , “”Ruled”” with The Holy Bible… All this info is in the early American states history books and other “”Documents””…. The “”Common Law”” is Biblical Law , because it is common to all mankind ……………….

          • KG

            The Mayflower was originally bound for the Colony of Virginia, financed by the Company of Merchant Adventurers of London. Storms forced the landing to be at the hook of Cape Cod in what is now Massachusetts. This inspired some of the passengers to proclaim that since the settlement would not be made in the agreed upon Virginia territory, they “would use their own liberty; for none had power to command them….” To prevent this, many of the other colonists chose to establish a government. The Mayflower Compact was based simultaneously upon a majoritarian model (even though the signers were not in the majority) and the settlers’ allegiance to the king. It was in essence a social contract in which the settlers consented to follow the compact’s rules and regulations for the sake of survival.

            Again, like most pseudochristian Conservatives, you wish to change history to fit you deluded view of the world.

            The Seperatists were the “radical” Puritians who wanted to rid the English Church of all “popery” and ‘Romish’ practices. However, like most extreme religious cults, they couldn’t convince others around them that they were THE way to ‘salvation’. Since they couldn’t tell everybody what to do, they went somewhere where they could – the New World.
            Thus laying the foundation for the Republican/Libertarian/Nazi influence in Americas history.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            You conveniently left out everything they mentioned, believed, and wanted to spread the Word of God. Neeeeed to study history better KG. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out comrade.

          • KG

            No I did not. They wanted to spread their brand of ‘Christianity’ like the Republicans like to run elections. Through Lies and innuendo. Or like some of their Muslim brothers do – at the end of a sword. The Puritains were NOTHING like a christian defined by the words of Christ.

          • Charlie

            KG ,,, for one that has little to none Bible Harmonization is now telling us William Bradford is a paper ficta …. Better get out of Smogville now ,,, it has effected your mind …….

    • JeffH

      Collectivism is Marxism
      http://www.deflationeconomy.com/collectivism.html
      Aristotle wrote this in the 4th Century BC.

      “That all persons call the same thing mine in the sense in which each does so may be a fine thing, but it is impracticable; or if the words are taken in the other sense, such a unity in no way conduces to harmony. And there is another objection to the proposal. For that which is common to the greatest number has the least care bestowed upon it. Everyone thinks chiefly of his own, hardly at all of the common interest; and only when he is himself concerned as an individual. For besides other considerations, everybody is more inclined to neglect the duty which he expects another to fulfill; as in families many attendants are often less useful than a few.” (Politics, 1262 a 30-37)

      • Dave

        You calling the military of the United States a bunch of Marxists? Jeffery, you are a traitor!!!

        • WTS/JAY

          How long will you continue accusing others of what you are, Davey? Your reprobate mind controls you, and you are its slave. Your brain has become leprous and your thoughts are pus, and your words are dipped in poison. Go live your hell you call life, and stop troubling the good folks.

          • KG

            A typical catholic fascist reply. How many little boys can you fit in your Jacuzzi?

          • WTS/JAY

            I bet you know the answer to that one, KG.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            WWWWWhhhhhooooommmmmppppp! And Jay grabs Dave by the throat and there’s the choke slam! There’s the count, 1, 2, 3! Well said and keep up the good fight fellow patriot. The 5th column, enemies of the state, just always look for an opportunity to say crap. Here are a few articles dealing with their left wing wacko ways. Here is one showing how the fed is trying to stop baptisms.
            http://www.eaglerising.com/1549/feds-fight-stop-baptisms/
            Here is one where they say that George Washington was an extremist.
            http://www.joeforamerica.com/2013/08/george-washington-was-the-extremist/
            Here is one where our freedom is described and how God gave it to us.
            http://www.clashdaily.com/2013/08/appreciating-america-the-free/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “The true Christian is the true citizen.”
            Theodore Roosevelt
            Nobel Piece Prize winner
            26th President of the U.S.

          • Dave

            Look Little jay found a dictionary and decided to expand his vocabulary… Thats so nice….
            Just try not to sound so angry… I know you can’t help your ignorance on a great many things but that is what makes you a conservative.

          • WTS/JAY

            Oh look, its Dave, the racist-Democrat. Are you and your racist Klan-members still waging a war on Conservatives, Dave? What would you do with yourself if you didn’t have your racism to keep you warm, Dave? I suppose then your life wouldn’t be worth living, would it, racist boy?

        • JeffH

          Just like the immoral little ignorant progressive shill Ignoramus Dave47D is, he lets his half brain control his lips.

          “Stupid is as stupid does”.
          – F. Gump

          • Dave

            Look its so cute… DaveH calls me a shill and now you do… I guess you got up all in his colon last night didn’t Jeffrey? If you and DaveH are lovers, Its great….I support your decision to be happy together because I am a liberal… Not a hate mongering racist conservative… be happy…be well little Jeffrey.

          • JeffH

            Ignoramus Dave47D, It’s no wonder that you’ve no credibility.

            The best thing you can do for this board and yourself is to keep posting your childishly ignorant and inane comments Ignoramus Dave47D.

  • JeffH

    Obama a Member of Muslim Brotherhood — Egyptian Media

    Al-Jazeera, the Left’s new favorite news outlet, has reported that an Egyptian newspaper ran a front page headline naming President Obama as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Previously, the vice president of Egypt’s high court had said publicly that Obama’s brother Malik is an international finance officer for the Brotherhood.

    News Agency Anatolia in Turkey recently reported an interview with Saad Al-Shater, the son of imprisoned Muslim Brotherhood leader Khairat Al-Shater, that said he had incriminating evidence against Obama.

    The elder Shater is the subject of U.S. State Department efforts, that included Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham, to get Muslim Brotherhood prisoners released

    According to the news agency, the younger Shater said the reason the U.S. had sent a delegation to Egypt to negotiate a prisoner release is because his father has “in his hand” evidence that could put Obama in prison.
    http://godfatherpolitics.com/12398/obama-member-muslim-brotherhood-egyptian-media/#QZaAEKml684WtFc1.99

    • KG

      How could our president be a communist and a member of an anti-communist group? The Muslim Brotherhood are anti-communists. In fact, they supported Hitler during WW2. And after WW2 they were the main opposition to the Egyptian Communist party in the 40’s and the 50’s. I guess it could be that our president, Mr Obama, is a CIA agent. But I doubt that. He’s much smarter than to be tied-up with an organization that is the worse spy agency in the world.

      • Dave

        Because KG, JeffH is a conservative and common sense and reality do not apply. Neither does responsibility… DaveH and his concubine JeffH simply change a definition of a person’s political slant when it suits them.

        • KG

          OK I get it. They are both deluded by their conservative beliefs that forces “facts” to become opinions. And the opinions of right-wing radio hosts become part of their facts.

          • WTS/JAY

            You and Dave need to get a room, KG. Maybe one with a Jacuzzi…?

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Argument to ridicule. Shows lack of moral character and maturity. Here is an article you 2 should read. It talks about how the chemical attacks in Syria could have been helped along by the current administration as a pretext to going to war. Sounds like the current administration is imperialistic in their methods.
          http://www.lastresistance.com/3122/u-s-help-coordinate-gas-attacks-syria-pretext-war/
          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you and KG out.
          “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.”
          Benjamin Franklin
          Founding father
          Devout Christian

          • Dave

            Did you say something theorcrat?

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            What? I can’t understand you. You sound like you are saying,
            “Buk, buk, buk, buk, buk, buk, barrrrrack!
            Buk, buk, buk, buk, buk, buk, barrrrrack!”
            I speak English and Korean, but I cannot understand chicken. Especially when you are choking it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

        • JeffH

          Your proof of that allegation is what Ignoramus Dave47D?

          Your ignorant opinion is not proof!

          • Dave

            The proof is in your words Jeffrey… careful, DaveH may stop suddenly and you will be up close and personal with his colon.

          • JeffH

            Ignoramus Dave47D, I’m guessing that you did some time behind bars with a cellmate named Big Bubba…which would explain your fetish with colons.

            I bet your eyes are brown too.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Do not forget the part they may have played in the assassination of President Anwar Sadat. The worst spy agency in the world? Who do you support? The KGB? Typical socialist/communist rhetoric and innuendo. Care to cite a source that backs up the nonsense you posted? Ooops! That would take some education for you to do that. Here is a video showing that if Obama bin Laden took military action in Syria, it could errupt into a major regional war. This would also bring Israel into the war. I know you commies don’t like Israel.
        http://www.conservativevideos.com/2013/08/krauthammer-obama-miscalculation-syria-result-major-regional-war/
        Here are 2 more articles about 2 libturds/progturds John “Flip Flop” Kerry and Charlie Rangel.
        http://www.patriotupdate.com/2013/09/kerry-obama-knows-power-attack/
        http://www.thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/middle-east-north-africa/319849-rangel-bring-back-the-draft-before-striking-syria
        Rangel even believes in the drafting of women. Now that is nonsense. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you and Dave out.
        “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
        Patrick Henry
        Founding father
        Governor of Virginia
        Devout Christian

        • KG

          Anwar Sadat was assassinated by ultra-conservative military officers who disagreed with his stance on Israel’s right to be a nation.

          When the Berlin Wall came down, the CIA was completely clueless as to what was really going on. It took the American Intelligence community completely by surprise as the latest National Security Directive showed:

          “[w]e may find that the nature of the threat itself has changed, though any such transformation could take decades.” These policy recommendations would perhaps be appropriate for 1986, but they are completely outdated in 1989.

          September 22, 1989
          The wall finally fell open on 10 November 1989.

          http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB293/

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Actually Khadafi was involved, but who is worried about posting accurate information. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

      • Oldmonkey

        Tell me anything Obama has really done other than flap his lips supporting one Statist cause after another playing the blame game? Being inter racially married over 20 years that P.O.S. has no teachable moments for me to learn, but likely a few to learn from me. Though different in doctrine, Fascism and Communism morph back and forth in application. Theology throughout history has employed their equivalent of BOTH! Being Buddhist and hitting back, I am well aware at one time there were many Green eyed dirty blonde Euro-Caucasian Buddhists who suffered under a Muslin Crusade every bit as bad as anything Muslims today whine about. 10 years ago Taliban desecrated statues of Lord Buddha, without consequence. I was disappointed China didn’t properly reward them. Today though potty trained, Christians world wide straddle both sides of the fence. America’s founders came closer than any to capturing the ideals of “Mind your own business” which Obama abhors. I choose not to be one of Obama’s worker bees or drones. Law is supposed to be organized liberty preventing injustice, not an excuse for one group to steal liberty or labor from another.

        • Oldmonkey

          Monkey thinks like us & Putin the KGB likely despises him. As to Obama’s relationship with Frank Marshall Davis, in the middle east it needs to be put in perspective of history. Mongols used to say women were for making babies, and little boys were for fun. The Evil Caliph from Arabian Nights was a Mongol, and Mongolians ruled or influenced the middle east and Africa. It’s up to you to determine what he did or didn’t do with Davis, and its significance. Though it makes me hurl; if the objective is pleasure and not procreation, in a private bedroom between adults, it’s not my business.

      • JeffH

        KGB says Duh! If you paid attention you’d have seen that I just posted the report…I didn’t say Obama was a member of the MB but I do believe he’s in bed with them.

        I’ve stated before that I also believe he is a hybrid commie though, unlike you KGB who makes no bones about yourself being a straight up communist.

      • WTS/JAY

        And yet all the evidence points to the fact that Obama supports and is a member of MB; and for all we know, you, are probably a member of the MB, KG.

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      Unlikely Figure helps to out Obama as Muslim Brotherhood
      http://shoebat.com/2013/09/03/unlikely-figure-helps-out-obama-as-muslim-brotherhood/

    • WTS/JAY

      Followers of radical Islam have declared jihad against Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, non-Muslims, and secularists – simply because they regard us as infidels. They even target Muslims whom they regard as insufficiently “pure.”

      The warriors of radical Islam are not only “over there.” Tens of thousands of Islamic militants now reside in America, operating in sleeper cells, attending our colleges and universities, engaging in influence operations aimed at the media and government. They are here – today. Many have been here for years. Waiting. Preparing.

      What’s more, there are Islamists throughout the world, and here in America, who may not engage in violent jihad, but are committed to “stealth jihad” or “cultural jihad.” Their modus operandi is summed up by this statement from The Muslim Brotherhood’s strategic memo, entered into evidence at the Holy Land Foundation terrorism financing trial in 2007:

      “The Ikhwan [Muslim brothers] must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within and `sabotaging’ their miserable house…”

      http://www.actforamerica.org/index.php/component/content/article/26-welcome-to-act-for-america/99-home

  • W. Powers

    That is very ignorant and unsubstantiated piece of clap-trap!

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    The evidence is mounting that the military government currently ruling Egypt has decided to embarrass the Obama administration as part of a strategy to suppress Muslim Brotherhood activity in Egypt.

    the vice president of the Supreme Constitutional Court of Egypt, gave a speech and participated in an interview broadcast on Egyptian television that identified Malik Obama, the Kenyan HALH-BROTHER of O’homobama, as a “MAJOR ARCHITECT” managing investments for the Muslim Brotherhood in

    In the speech, Gebali said she would like “open files” to EXPOSE nations like the United States that are RESISTING the current military-controlled government of Egypt by continuing to SUPPORT TERRORIST GROUP such as the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Listen this (38 min): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JWtd6r1RRQ

  • marc

    Excellent article as usual for you, Brandon. But when I read the comments below they are filled with fearful utterances of quivering quimbies about the Muslim Bros. When did we as a nation become such cowards? Why are Christians such cowards today? Is it time to replace the Freedom Eagle with a jellyfish? Please, biggovt get the mus. bros. out of my daughter’s pants.
    I can only say that I never go to sleep at night in fear of bearded boogymen scurrying through caves in far off lands. And if they can find their way to my doorstep, I’m well armed and prepared to deal with them or whatever stripe of criminal. But I do occasionally wake in the dead of night and sweat about what our govt is up to. The near enemy is much more lethal and difficult to see than the far enemy. Those who crave authoritarianism as a means to defeat the mus. bros. are cowards and lack all of the important characteristics of True Americans you outlined above. If these cowards want to see the mus. bros. fall by the wayside, they should insist the Bushes, Clintons and Obamas stop funding and arming them. Instead, they crave interventionism and a wide-open Fed printing press to fund it. Recipes for ruin.

    • marc

      Don’t hide like a coward behind your anonymous thumbs down. Respond. Provide insight.

      • marc

        Another, or perhaps the same, coward. Cowards always flee even when no one is attacking them because, well because they are cowards. Respond, or you are only proving my point.

        • marc

          Why so afraid to respond with words? instead, you hide behind your puny, tyrant thumb.

          • laura merrone

            I’m not quite sure what you are getting at. Most of us agree that interventionism in the instance of Syria is a mistake. Is that what you are trying to say? I agree with you if that’s the case esp. about printing money to fund it. It is a recipe for ruin and I’m surprised we still want to do it with all the trillion dollar deficits we have.

          • marc

            You’re right, Laura, that most agree that intervention in Syria is a mistake. But this comment section is loaded with red herrings who seem to believe that all that is needed to restore the Republic comes down to simply impeaching the grand master leader of the mus bros. Then we’ll all be back in the land of gum-drop mountains and lemonade springs. The problems we are facing go much deeper than that.
            The comments seem to have not so much understanding of Brandon’s article. Are they reading the article? They seem to be less against Interventionism than they are against Obama’s, twilight-zone interventionism. Better than nothing at all, I suppose. But I am a Constitutional Puritan, not a Constitutional Opportunist.

          • laura merrone

            What is the difference? I’m not familiar with your terms.

    • KG

      marc – the MB were the Anti-communists in Egypt and Syria when those two countries were united under the old Arab Republic. So, the only group in Egypt or Syria that would have CIA operators in their ranks would be the MB. That’s why it looks like our President is supporting them. However, this part of the CIA has been under pseudo-Nazi control since the days of Allen Dulles. The MB were supporters of Hitler and the third Reich and were converted to CIA cover-groups in the fight against perceived Communist domination. The Nazis never went away – they became American Conservatives.

      • marc

        KG, I seem to be an American Conservative. But I am heavy duty on individualism and don’t really have interest in tribal lineage and institutional heritages. When individuals can learn to think for themselves and use reason, there is no need for us to fall all over ourselves in obedience to some collectivist lineage.
        For example, when I learned some of my family tree, I discovered that one of my relatives from the 1600s was a head-figure of a small town and was also found to be a pedophile.
        So to say that a Conservative of today is simply the distillation of a Nazi, would be like saying that I should spend my life in prison because a distant relative of mine was a pedophile.
        You seem sort of like an uber-racist, if there is such a thing.

        • KG

          It’s like what Dan Rather said many years ago – if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. The so-called modern American Conservative Movement finds it’s roots in the rabid anti-Communism of Joe McCarthy’s 1950’s red scare. Those same corporatists who supported Germany’s rise in the 1920-30’s because of the fear of communism in Europe. The ties that American Conservatives have to Nazis are as clear as Islamic Terrorists to 9/11.

          If you are a catholic priest, then you really don’t have much to worry about. It seems that the Panzer Pope is going to continue the policy of his predecessor.

          There are no races. That’s a term introduced by evolutionary proponents of ‘superior breeding’, another Nazi belief that the extreme Right participates in. If you read your bible, you would know G-d only refers to tribes and nations.

          • marc

            So I herded others into boxcars? and into pits?
            I’m so sorry. I didn’t know it was all my fault.
            You’re right. God refers to tribes and nations.
            So you seem to be some sort of uber-tribalist.
            I seem to be an individual and have no interest in joining your tribe, the one you champion over and again, or any other. I can, as an individual, think on my own feet without the — enforced, collectivist — support of your tribe. But thanks for the offer.

          • marc

            And what of the leftist roots? Mao tse tung. . . how many tens of millions executed? Stalin? How many “criminals” died under the leftist regimes of history? For you, the leftist regime is a land of gum-drop mountains and lemonade springs. You live in a fantasy land of your own creation. Good luck in finding your way, half-blind.

          • KG

            The ‘leftist’ roots are what the Founding Fathers dreamed for America. An ‘Enlightened’ generation who saw the agony in human affairs that were perpetuated in the name of G-d through a State/Religion paradigm that needed to be destroyed to allow Humans the freedom to establish governments of their own consent. While many of our Founding Fathers claimed to be Christian, the Christianity they practiced would be unrecognizable to the pseudo Christians we have here today. The regimes you mention were actually Fascist who used a type of Communism that was never envisioned by Marx.

            This is more like it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqowmHgxVJQ

  • Leavy Riddlespur

    Exactly as I’ve been saying! Call your Congress person and DEMAND The Impeachment Process be started IMMEDIATELY!!! Remind of the up and coming elections in 2014, let them know they should be looking for a new job if they don’t do as you ask!!!! It seems that OUR votes are the only voices we have left, well Obama did look @ the polls about taking Military action in Syria and change his mind about bypassing Congress on this issue. (As the polls read 80% of us were against ANY military action)! NIV Bible; Proverbs 13:5 The righteous hate what is false,but the wicked bring SHAME and DISGRACE.(Referring to our present administration, and OUR Great Nation). One Nation Under God…NOT Allah!!!

    • marc

      So you are calling for biden as the new pres? Is that you, chris Mathews?

      • marc

        Welcome to Personal Liberty, Chris Mathews. Stick around — both of you. And respond as Individuals capable of free thought without just running and hiding behind your autocratic thumbs-down cowardice. You should have nothing to hide or fear.

        • marc

          I agree with you, Blondie: “What are words for when no one listens anymore.” You’re depth and insight are best proved with an anonymous, dictatorial, Nero-style, thumbs down. Welcome to Personal Liberty, Nero.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Well said and keep up the good fight fellow patriot. We are One Nation Under God, not secular, not allah, or anything else. Here is an article talking about Obama bin Laden.
      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/02/obama-faces-renewed-international-opposition-on-syria-while-trying-to-win-us/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “It is impossible to rightly rule the world without God and the Bible.”
      George Washington
      Founding father
      “Father of our country”
      Commander of the Continental Armies
      1st President of the U.S.
      Devout Christian

      • marc

        The best samurai sword has the esteem of being a “five-body blade” because it can pass through the torsos of five bodies. Hence the name. Your call for institutionalized, nationalized religion is one of those five bodies.
        Read the above article.

    • marc

      You have a lot of energy for joe biden. I have only the five-body blade.

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Here is some news from the abortion front. The first one is a mother wakes up from a coma and finds she is pregnant. She doesn’t have an abortion.
    http://www.lifenews.com/2013/08/27/mother-awakens-from-a-coma-pregnant-rejects-abortion-to-birth-miracle-baby/
    Here are the risk factors to women who have abortions.
    http://www.lifenews.com/2013/08/27/eight-facts-most-people-don‘t-know-about-how-abortion-hurts-women/
    Here is one where it talks about the Bible talks a lot about abortion, though it never appears in the Bible.
    http://www.lifenews.com/2013/08/27/abortion-doesnt-appear-in-the-bible-but-it-has-lots-to-say-about-abortion/
    FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
    “Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves.”
    Proverbs 13:8 – 9

    • KG

      Mr Samurai, I know you couldn’t find any verses where Jesus says good things about religious people. However, what ‘bad’ things does the scriptures tell us about Infanticide in the Bible? There were two incidents in the Bible where infanticide was done to prevent a certain person from appearing. G-d never said to protest or defund public health programs. In fact, G-d let it happen as a matter of prophecy. If you think you have to ‘help’ G-d, then your G-d must be really weak. I know that despite whatever human do, G-ds going to do whatever He wants too. That’s how he became G-d.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        No response possible due to lack of intelligent content by KGB. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out,

        • KG

          But you DID respond! So it either means that you were smitten with guilt over the revelation of you own apostasy, or are a lunatic with an urge to get the last word in.

          Which one is it?

          • Dave

            I’m thinking the later KG.

          • KG

            LOL AFK BRB!

      • marc

        KG, like so many atheists and fundamentalists, you know so much about God.
        One of the five-body blades is for samurai for mistaking religion for God; and another of the five-body blades is for you for mistaking your small mind for God.
        Two. 2 of the five, who receive the blade for their ignorance.

        • KG

          Romans 13:4-5
          King James Version (KJV)
          4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
          5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

    • Dave

      Stop abortions! Get a vesectomy theocrat! Show your convictions! Go to all young men out there and demand they stop abortions by either getting a vesectomy or stop having sex with women. Don’t forget the video camera and video tape this as you get laughed out of the place.
      Nutcase….

  • Jeff Noncent

    here is my take on these I believe we should go back to America constitution, the declaration of independence and we will be fine, and follow the God of the Bible not any other religion

    • Patriot66

      I say we go back even further, to the Articles of Confederation. Contrary to popular belief, the current Constitution and its amendments are what’s messing with our freedoms now.

      • Jeff Noncent

        I agree with you

    • marc

      If you want to make law of religion, Jeff, you’re a collectivist. And, FYI, the Constitution provides for Freedom of Religion and the ability to discern for oneself what religion, or lack thereof, a person chooses. So be clear with yourself that you’re not really calling for a return to the Constitution. You’re in search of your own favorite form of authoritarianism.

      • Jeff Noncent

        can you explain on what you said because I don’t understand