What Can You Do Now As An American Citizen?


The first answer is to recognize and realize that the government, with all of its propaganda and police power, is at war with the American people. The fact that most Americans are totally oblivious to all-out war against their way of life, their savings and their retirement assets doesn’t change a thing.

Governments always silently make war on their own citizens behind a propaganda front so as to alert as few people as possible. The less resistance the better.

One of the fastest ways to clear the mental fog is to realize that the two-party political system is only one. Anyone clinging to the illusion will be deceived to their grave. America has become a fascist state, and the whole Congress supports the agenda of the state. Any dissent is frivolous and transparent.

We could turn the clock back toward human liberty by doing one simple thing: limiting the terms of Representatives and Senators to just one, with no pensions. Also, they should be put on Social Security and receive the same medical benefits as the American people! There should be no privilege associated with elected office. Of course, this will not happen; the entire government is infested with psychopaths who will not relinquish any of their accumulated power.

Americans are under the strain of great financial repression. Interest rates are not high enough to cover inflation, let alone provide an income for seniors. Millions of seniors are living out of their savings instead of earnings on their savings. There is no riskless way to generate income.

The powerful, rich and well-connected politicians in America all use the dysfunctional political system and the money-printing central banks to their every advantage. The U.S. reckless system has created an enormous economic and political mess. The scene now reminds one of vultures flocking around a carcass. Nothing can or will be corrected now. All that anyone in power can suggest now is more money printing.

There are no financial answers, and there are no political reforms on the table; so politicians will continue to postpone meaningful reforms, which will lead us to the final crisis. More than ever, the present system is doomed. It is only a matter of recognizing what is happening and making preparations to survive.

I am still accumulating silver coins, as I believe that they will have high exchange and barter value in the near months to come. I sincerely hope that all of you will do the same. That the price has been manipulated down is fortuitous.

I fear that investors and savers may no longer have access to their accounts and funds during the ultimate crash. Look at what happened in Cyprus, for example, where bank accounts were frozen for a week. If this happens, silver coins dated before 1964 will look awfully good in your possession.

Also, my friends, please don’t be surprised if the government implements measures of some form of increased financial repression or expropriation. Many people will wind up much poorer than they are now. I am sorry to give you this sad information, but my vast reading and study confirms it. And if you cover the amount of material that I do, you will be on the same page.

There is a better day coming if the good people prevail and seize power after the crash. There are now millions of people who know the critical situation in America and understand that America has been sold out and hollowed out and that what is left is an impoverished people and economic depression.

The U.S. authorities know full well the shock potential of the social order in the United States. They are buying time with food stamps and all sorts of cash payments.


I mentioned above and have said before that the U.S. government is run by and inhabited by psychopaths. Psychopathy by definition is a personality disorder characterized by shallow emotions with reduced fear and lack of empathy. Also, psychopaths exhibit coldheartedness, egocentricity, superficial charm and criminality. They are manipulative, irresponsible and impulsive. They are antisocial, they lack remorse, and they are attracted to a parasitic lifestyle.

We think that most Representatives and Senators are psychopaths. Lawyers are the second most psychopathic profession. Most Representatives and Senators are lawyers.

Governments attract psychopaths because these people have tremendous greed and they see government as a means of free riches and aggrandizement.

No matter how much they steal or how many evil laws they pass, they believe that they do good and that they have “clean hands.” They have every opportunity for corruption. They believe that their constituency is a milk cow to use and abuse.

If placed before a firing squad, they would profess no wrongdoing but their own persecution. These government politicians are depraved. But they don’t know that they are psychopaths.

More traits of government politicians (psychopaths):

  • They don’t like the U.S. Constitution.
  • They don’t like guns in the hands of the people.
  • They don’t like silver and gold in the hands of the people.
  • They don’t like small independent farmers and gardeners.
  • They don’t  like small shell re-loaders.
  • They don’t like the Internet.
  • They don’t like natural or alternative medicine.
  • They do like paper fiat money.
  • They do like the stock market.
  • They do like genetically modified seeds and food.
  • They do like vaccinations and inoculations.
  • They do like wars.
  • They do glorify death and ritual sacrifice (wars).
Personal Liberty

Bob Livingston

founder of Personal Liberty Digest™, is an ultra-conservative American author and editor of The Bob Livingston Letter™, in circulation since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Jeff

    Bob, are you kidding with this article? You have no support for any of your wild charges and irresponsible language. Have you gone back to wearing your tinfoil hat or what?

    • independent thinker

      ” Have you gone back to wearing your tinfoil hat or what?”

      Ah yes, Jeff remains true to form. He has nothing to offer in rebuttal so he attacks Mr Livingston.

      • Jeff

        I’ve read some wild and crazy articles on these blogs but none tops this one. No support; just name calling. Really mature writing. That article would earn an F in High School Freshman Journalism.

        • vicki

          That article would earn an F in High School Freshman Journalism.

          If you were the teacher. Fortunately Bob Livingston’s teacher was better at his job.

          • Average_Joe56

            Stop acknowledging Jefro’s ignorant rants…We all know that he is simply “Trolling for Dollars”…it’s his job…….
            Paid by the word and number of responses to his drivel…..
            Simply vote him down and move along….starve the troll….
            The same goes for NC and Dave….

          • NC

            Average, what does it do for your ego to believe that I am paid to be here??? Nothing is further from the truth!!!! I have to pay my own power and cable bill and buy my own computer to get to lob a few shots at the ill informed and delusional types who post here! It cost me money but is worth every penny of it to have this opportunity to combat the ignorant who want to take over my country> The number one nation in the world that made it here without the aid of a single ultra conservative “leader”!
            LIVE WITH IT!!!

          • chocopot

            The ignorant have already taken over your country – and you seem to like it that way.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I don’t believe you’re a shill, NC. I believe that you are actually just that ignorant.

          • WTS/JAY

            I agree! But, better an “ignoramus” than a “shill”, wouldn’t you agree? As there is hope for an ignoramus…?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Not much.

          • Average_Joe56

            I couldn’t bring myself to respond to him (the whole ignoring his ignorant comments, thing) …. But, as you said, if he isn’t a paid shill …the alternative is that he really is this brainwashed about the world around him (or her)…and that truly would be sad. I would rather be thought of as a paid shill than to be seen as a complete fool….. The liberal mind….I just don’t understand it’s reasoning…… or lack thereof….

          • vicki

            They (NC, Jeff, etc) are here to re-enforce the liberal brainwashing so we whack the comments from time to time to help protect the many lurkers that are here as well as help those actually wanting to break the programming.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Another good one, Vicki.

        • garygerke

          Jeff, you are such a dunce, you like most liberals deflect comments and change the narratives. You are embarrassing yourself!

        • Liberty Lover

          9 out of every 10 articles posted on this site are “the worst Jeff has ever read”! :)

          • vicki

            And he keeps coming back for more :) now why is that?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Can you say SHILL?

          • WTS/JAY

            Because progs hate the “truth” above all!

        • WTS/JAY

          Jeff: That article would earn an F in High School Freshman Journalism.

          Sounds like sour-grapes, Jeff. Perhaps you can start your very own publication at the trailer-park where you reside. You could call it; Trailer-Trash Daily? Just think of it, you could have exclusive coverage of all the “cross-burnings” and daily “lynchings” in your neighbourhood…?

          • Jeff

            Is the well of your stupidity limitless as it appears to be?

          • WTS/JAY

            You sound a little grumpier than usual. What could be the reason; too much starch in your ‘sheets’?

          • Jeff

            Jay, I’m afraid if you were on life support and your doctor read your posts, he’d find no evidence of brain function and direct your family to pull the plug.

          • WTS/JAY

            You know what they say about “hate” Jeff; it’ll eat you up inside!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The “compassionate” Jeff reveals himself.

          • vicki

            Is the well of your stupidity limitless as it appears to be?

            Is your ability to use ad hominem as limitless as it appears to be?

          • Jeff

            Have you ever read Jay’s idiotic posts? Calling him a moron is an insult to morons.

          • vicki

            I’ll take that as an affirmative answer to my question.

      • NC

        independent thinker??? Can you read this article by Mr. Livingston and not get the idea that he is attacking some one? REALLY??? He who attacks gets attacked back! He is calling certain types of PEOPLE names because he disagrees with them or they disagree with him!! Not dogs and cats names. PEOPLE NAMES!!
        If you have followed this site you will know that Jeff in the past has offered many examples of why he disagrees with the ultra conservative positions here which parrot Mr. Livingston’s position!
        The fact that Mr. Livingston says it like you want to hear it does not make it the truth!
        Mr. Livingston has been predicting the fall of this country since he began his commentary many years ago. Several observations you may want to make: 1. Ultra conservatives were not in charge then, 2. They are not in charge now. 3. This country is still the best in the world. 4. Mr. Livingston is still making a living off the likes of you, 5. For believing like him you are very much an independent thinker, almost a solitary thinker, since there are less than one percent of the voters who think like you and Mr. Livingston!

        • vicki

          Actually Mr Livingston is making all of his money off the likes of you. If you went away then we would not have any reason to post links showing the falsity of your arguments and fewer people would come and read / comment.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            So what Vicki is saying in so many words, NC, is THANK YOU for providing your Progressive input so that we don’t have to work so hard to convince ignorant people that they’ve been severely brainwashed and that Progressives are NOT here to help them.

          • vicki

            An accurate restatement of my point. There is nothing quite like direct examples of “progressive” (un)thought to help show people the brainwashing.

            Thanks DaveH

          • JeffH

            vicki, it’s nice to have DaveH back.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          One long string of conjecture and ad hominem attacks.
          Can you muster any logical or factual comments, NC?

    • JeffH

      Unhinged Jeff…what wild charges and what irresposible language?

      Other than your opinion, can you clarify exactly what and why Bob’s article is wrong? Be specific and make your case if you dare! Otherwise, return to your place at the trough.

      I didn’t think so!

      • Jeff

        All politicians are psychopaths? I would think a statement like that needs a bit of backup, but normal rules of argument and journalism don’t exactly apply here. Shoot anybody today?

        • JDean3123

          We think that most Representatives and Senators are psychopaths. Lawyers are the second most psychopathic profession. Most Representatives and Senators are lawyers.
          Of course, this will not happen; the entire government is infested with psychopaths who will not relinquish any of their accumulated power.

          Jeff, Bob didn’t say “all representatives are psychopaths”. He said that Psychopaths have infiltrated all areas of government. I understand some of the replies to your statement. I guess you see what you want to see. Shame.

          • JeffH

            JDean3123, unhinged Jeff, like many progressive/liberals is very good at putting words that aren’t there in other peoples mouths…and you are absolutely correct with your post.

        • JeffH

          Unhinged Jeff, you really should get some professional help for your”gun and shooting” fear disorder.
          Just sayin’!

          • Jeff

            I just have a healthy aversion to nuts with guns. Besides, the gun talk bores me to tears.

          • JeffH

            Unhinged Jeff says “I just have a healthy aversion to nuts with guns. Besides, the gun talk bores me to tears.”
            Then why do you constantly bring it up? You’re lying again!

          • vicki

            I have a healthy aversion to nuts with keyboards but, unlike the politicians Bob Livingston mentioned (or liberals) I don’t try and get the government to take away one of their God given and Constitutionally protected rights.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Then you would like to disarm Government agents, Jeff?

          • vicki

            He did however change the subject which I thoughtfully pointed out to him.

          • Don 2

            I have never seen such severe cases of hoplophobia (an irrational aversion to weapons) as Jeff and Dave.

          • WTS/JAY

            Wasn’t it Freud that said; fear of guns is a sign of sexual-immaturity…or was it; erectile-dysfunction? Either way, it sounds like our boy, Jeff, has some serious-issues.

          • JeffH

            Ya think?

        • vicki

          Shoot anybody today?

          Why thank you for using an ad hominem and changing the subject. I am willing to bet that in the last year not only JeffH but

          ~300 MILLION Americans DIDN’T shoot ANYONE. Not even by accident. Join the NRA and GOA and other civil rights groups in demanding that politicians

          STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT for the acts of a very few.

          STOP IT
          STOP IT NOW.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Very good, Vicki.

          • JeffH

            Vicki, what else can I say to you but…”you rule”!

        • WTS/JAY

          Jeff: Shoot anybody today?

          Actually, someone was shot with a “gun” today. Check it out…


          Dramatic surveillance video from a Walmart in Midwest City, Okla., shows a heroic police officer saving a 2-year-old girl from the clutches of a deranged knife-wielding man. He did so by shooting the criminal at point-blank range, killing him…


          • Jeff

            I saw that. And your point? Has anyone suggested police officers be unarmed?

      • Jeff

        My place at the trough? Is that your clumsy way of implying that only people on welfare disagree with you? I certainly hope you shoot better than you write or you may as well donate the arsenal to charity. Virtually all sane people disagree with you.

        • JeffH

          Unhinged Jeff says “Virtually all sane people disagree with you”…the virtually sane to you is people like KG, Dave47D, yourself, rbrooks, Robbie, nc and 666 , etc…It’s more like that the virtually insane and untrusworthy bunch of progressive shills and trolls that
          would disagree.

          The “trough”? That’s my direct way of saying where you feed yourself everyday.

          Then unhinged Jeff makes another completely unhinged comment with ” I certainly hope you shoot better than you write or you may as well donate the arsenal to charity.”

          Unhinged Jeff, do you mean this arsenal?

          I do plan to donate my arsenal to charity, the Nra’s Youth shooting program.

          Now let’s get back to your original and first posted comment.

          I’ll ask one more time because you intentionally avoided the subject the first time.

          “Other than your opinion, can you clarify exactly what and why Bob’s article is wrong? Be specific and make your case if you dare! Otherwise, return to your place at the trough.”

          In all honesty I knew you couldn’t back up your incorrect assertions in the first place, you being a progressive shill, a troll and a trough feeder.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Jeff, as usual, is suffering from delusions of grandeur. I guess he thinks the column on the right is thumbs up.

    • vicki

      Ad hominem. (Specifically “Have you gone back to wearing your tinfoil hat or what?”)

    • WTS/JAY

      Hmm, it appears the little-nazi is desperately trying to start a mud-slinging contest, but he can’t find a one who is willing to participate. Poor little-nazi…!

  • Harold Olsen

    The left has been at war with the American people for decades. They want to control all aspects of our lives. Obama is a Hitler wannabe, even trying to get us to spy on our neighbors. Anyone does not see this is either blind or stupid — maybe both.

  • Sarah Conner

    This article is spot on and if you can’t see that,then you are the only one…Time for a new party and once we complete that undertaking the demonrats will realize just how small and unimportant they are…Gov. Palin said it first,so let her battle cry echo,..The Freedom Party !!!!

    • Stuart Shepherd

      I’m with you 100% on that one, Sarah, and I would LOVE to see a match-up between Hillary and Sarah in 2016. However, I think Mr. Livingston’s message is a little more urgent than that. The american public is so- 1. Evil (the left), 2. Corrupt (all of government), 3. Dumb (the left and over 1/2 of “the right”), 3. Entitled spoiled and bribed (also corrupted) and in so far “over our heads” with disguised financial ruin- that it will literally take a COMPLETE economic disaster/crash with no chance of recovery to make any meaningful changes back in the right direction, and, even then, only if the right people take charge somehow. Otherwise it could literally be as bad as genocide(s). We have to get off the “political party” thing because there is NO PARTY ahead, no matter what your ideology!

      • Hoss

        New Jersey Gov: Chris Christie, Would Make A Great President!

        • Nadzieja Batki

          That Democrat.

        • Don 2

          Hoss, tell me your only joking?

    • FreedomFighter

      More traits of government politicians (psychopaths):

      They don’t like the U.S. Constitution.

      They don’t like guns in the hands of the people.

      They don’t like silver and gold in the hands of the people.

      They don’t like small independent farmers and gardeners.

      They don’t like small shell re-loaders.

      They don’t like the Internet.

      They don’t like natural or alternative medicine.

      They do like paper fiat money.

      They do like the stock market.

      They do like genetically modified seeds and food.

      They do like vaccinations and inoculations.

      They do like wars.

      They do glorify death and ritual sacrifice (wars).

      Would add:
      They don’t like Christians or the Church.
      They do like and glorify Islam.

      The upper leadership is run by a cabal of Lucy’s
      Laus DeoSemper FI

      • Average_Joe56

        “The upper leadership is run by a cabal of Lucy’s”

        Or , as I like to call it:



        A system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for with the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.


    • Elevenarrows

      With all due respect, Sarah, if you read the platform of the Constitution Party, you will realize there is no need to create a Freedom Party.

      • vicki

        And if you were to checkout the Libertarian Party you would find that you don’t need a Constitution party nor a Freedom Party cause the Libertarian Party clearly supports both.

        • Elevenarrows

          Although I have some things in common with the libertarian platform, I am a strict constitutionalist and as such, find the Constitution Party (which has been around awhile) much more aligned with my values. If you are the same Vicki I remember, you would find more like-minded people among libertarians or even progressive party.

          • vicki

            The party that best supports First Principle is the party I would most closely align to.

            First Principle: Your Creator gifted you with Life and Free Will. How you use those gifts and how you honor them on others is how you shall be judged.

            So were exactly does the Constitution party and Libertarian party differ?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The Constitution Party leans towards forcing their moral victim-less choices on others.

          • vicki

            How do they justify such actions if they are strict Constitutionalists?

          • vicki

            I don’t understand which parts of the libertarian platform is at odds with the Constitution Party.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      There already is a Freedom party — The Libertarian Party.

      Libertarians seek a society of:
      Individual Freedom — people control their own bodies and property.
      Personal Responsibility — nobody has a right to ride on anybody else’s back. If you make mistakes, you pay for those mistakes yourself, unless you can find a voluntary donor.
      Limited Government — Government should exist solely to protect people from other peoples’ force. Government should not be the Forcers.
      Free Markets — People should be able to trade freely with whomever they choose without the coercion of Government involvement except in cases of fraud (which is really just force since it deprives one of necessary information before trading).

      The Peace and Prosperity that would ensue from these Principles would be like that which has been rarely experienced in the past.

  • dan

    brilliant , Bob….uncanny how things are shaping up much as they were before the first Civil War or Federal Governments War against the independent farmers/land holders , competing industries and culture of the South….complete with propaganda , yellow journalism (truth is the first victim in war and to the winners goes the writing of history) and a president from Illinois. The difference ,this time, is that despite the brainwashing most received in Government/public schools,the internet is helping educate and awaken those still capable of critical thinking…and loyalty to God,family and countrymen

    • vicki

      That is one of the interesting things that progressives just don’t get. They are our countrymen. We fight for THEIR freedom even as they fight to take away ours.

      • JeffH

        Well put Vicki! It’s just amazing isn’t it.

  • Warrior

    Given the latest “theatrics” from the “busy people”, “See Something; Say Something” only applies to……………………………. I’ll plead the “Fifth”. Evidently, Snowden missed the memo!

  • me

    the original writers of the constitution did not like lawyers in government. there was the thirteenth amendment going about the time of the war of 1812. the bankers started the war and the bill never got passed.I forbid lawyers in government and forbid royalty in this country. right now the rich and powerful have become the royalty of this country. Look at mayor Bloomberg. the thirteenth amendment became the amendment that freed the slaves and the old one was forgotten. A lot of this is leading to what we have now. Look up the original 13th amendment. Most people would probly be shocked.

    • Vigilant

      Article I, Section 9, para 8: “No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”

      Original 13th was redundant. Lawyers, even under the original 13th, were never barred from government service unless they accepted “any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”

    • TheOriginalDaveH
  • Red55bird

    Communist have taken over without firing one shot, and I can thank my generation for falling asleep behind the wheel. Ronald Reagan said over 55 years ago that the Communist would get into your schools, would take over your healthcare, attack your religion, and slowly take away your freedom as citizens of America. Some people have waken to what is going on around them, but as you seen in this past election the people voted to keep the very man for another four years who will fundamentally transform America into complete Government control or European Socialism, with the almost daily attacks on our Amendments to the Constitution, both party’s our working hand and hand with Obama to control the citizens into a complete Police State. Signing into law the DNAA bill to hold any citizen without charging them with any crime for as long as they deem fit to do so, if the Government calls you a terrorist not a Patriot as Tea Party groups who protest against their Government for over stepping the Constitution of the United States of America. Homeland security being armed with close to ( 2 ) billion hollow point bullets and we call this the price to pay for freedom in America. America this is not going to end very well, and if we want to take back our Government it may very well take a civil war against the States again.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      One thing which people need to be aware of. It doesn’t matter to Leaders whether they rule on a Communist platform, or a Socialist platform, or a Fascist Platform, as long as they rule.
      Government throughout history has been about Leaders seeking Power and wealth at the expense of the rest of the people.
      Of course they have to do it covertly because they are vastly outnumbered, thus the weapon of choice is Propaganda, which we have all been subject to during our lives.

      • vicki

        Propaganda and government force. Propaganda to get the people to give up their freedoms willingly (look at gun control laws, Hate speech laws, etc for obvious examples.)

        Government force (NDAA) for those who do not submit and for those who need a little special persuasion (The laws mentioned above).

  • Jim45acp

    Wake up. Become informed. Receive enlightenment. — Teach!

  • Roger

    You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ON Bob, and I know you are rational enough to ignore the “naysayers” such as “Jeff”- DON’T , and I say again, DON’T even respond to him and “Vicki”. they are the gullible fools that Psychopaths need.. ……from “Irish-Canadian Libertarian”

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Vicki is a staunch supporter of Freedom.
      How can you call yourself Libertarian and make that statement?

    • JeffH

      Me thinks you’re just a bit confused or on the wrong website.
      Vicki is one of the strongest and brightest pro-Constitution commentors here.

      • vicki


        Thanks guys. I didn’t come to the pro-Constitution position easily. A LOT of good libertarian type people helped me to break the brainwashing. And one Canadian :).

        • Don 2

          There must be another Vicki? lol

  • Vigilant

    “Also, my friends, please don’t be surprised if the government implements measures of some form of increased financial repression or expropriation.”

    Indeed. Said expropriation will no doubt also include gold and solver in the hands of investors. And what will you be left with then?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      True, but first they have to find it.
      Also, the confiscation is a direct observable action which cannot easily be defended by Propaganda, and may actually be the straw that broke the camel’s back and incites a revolution.

      • vicki

        Well I would like to think so but the people let government confiscate both gold and firearms (NFA, Scary looking guns) in the last century (Recent history for America.)

  • FreedomFighter

    “We could turn the clock back toward human liberty by doing one simple thing: limiting the terms of Representatives and Senators to just one, with no pensions. Also, they should be put on Social Security and receive the same medical benefits as the American people! There should be no privilege associated with elected office. Of course, this will not happen; the entire government is infested with psychopaths who will not relinquish any of their accumulated power.

    Considering the Democrat controlled Senate thru the passing of the recent Immigration Bill just tried to screw 30 million Americans out of a job by putting a little know clause that put a $5,000 dollar penalty on hiring a citizen vs. an illegal alien on the path to citizenship even the low income democrat entitlement dependent should be outraged. I would think that passing such a bill with such a heinous clause would be an act of TREASON.

    Time for recalls, time for active Town Halls, time for getting political, time for removing every single Senate representative that voted to screw 30 million Americans out of a job — common people this is them declaring war on Americans.

    Immigration Reform Meets Obamacare – $5,000 Penalty To Hire Citizens http://www.ldjackson.net/immigration-reform-meets-obamacare-5000-penalty-to-hire-citizens/

    These Senators sure as hell are not representing YOU!

    Laus DeoSemper FI

  • KG

    Gee, Bob, why not just off yourself if it’s that bad? OH WAIT. You want to make some more $ before ‘the end’ comes. But, how can you enjoy something that’s actually belongs to the Government? Who’s picture is on that dollar bill? And how many ham hocks can you squeeze out of that pile of coins?

    I have one question for you Mr. Bob, does money give value to an object or does the object give value to the money?

    • rendarsmith

      If he only wanted money for himself, why would he be advising everyone else on what to do to survive? Why would he be advising everyone to buy silver coins and not just buy them all himself?
      What actually does rightfully belong to the government? Does the government actually produce anything or just take away from those that do? Who are the rightful owners, those who produce or those who take?

    • momo

      More dumb a$$ ramblings from KG. The value of an object depends on what the seller and buyer agree its worth, currency has nothing to do with it.

    • Average_Joe56

      ” Who’s picture is on that dollar bill?”
      You must have missed the memo…..there are no dollar bills being discussed….The conversation is about gold and silver coins…which can be purchased from any nation or private entity that coins it…and once in my possession …belongs to me. As for the question of who’s picture is on it….it makes no difference. Unlike Paper currency, I can melt it down and have no picture on it…and I have lost no value by doing so…gold and silver are valued by weight…not picture or denomination placed on it. Try that with your $100 dollar bill and tell me how it works out for you…numb nutz!

      I can melt silver down to make bullets (if I need too)…to shoot at life sucking leaches ….such as socialists, progressives, liberals…etc…….

    • hungry4food

      KG like Bob Livingston said in the Article and Listed the things the Ideologues like to control to control Individual Liberties is what the Declaration of Independence , and in today’s limiting of Individual Rights by oppression of Financial Means consolidating private credit into the hands of the Federal Reserve that is Now the primary Financier of Government Debt instead of Private Bond Holders is the signal for the Enactment of the Declaration of Independence !!!!! Read this List of events that signal the time has come to reorganize the Institution of Our Government !!!!

      Declaration of Independence


      These next 2 Videos tell of How we have become The SERFS of the Establishment and you Must ask why it is again because of the FEAR these Elites have for Peak Earth and allowing FREE people to Continue to operate under a FREE market consumer driven for profit system because its Killing Earths ECO system in their Ideological Mindsets , so they are Fundamentally rolling up the sidewalks of FREE market capitalism and allowing it to bubble up and collapse from lack of Supply to back up the Debt Allocation by the Federal Reserve to the Point that Obama will be-able to sell the idea that Capitalism is a Failed economic system in the hopes for a peaceful transformation !!!

      This could be why we are witnessing why Liberty and due Process under the 5th
      Amendment is being usurped and abolished through the various proxies we see
      happening like the passages of the NDAA and other usurpation’s of the rights of
      American Citizens under the constitution . They need people like you KG running around denouncing these events taking place to keep the sheep docile to try and keep this a Peaceful transformation in the developed Gun Rights nations while they are running around the globe create the Unrest in the Undeveloped nations to fundamentally transform those areas at the same time huh ???

      This Video tells how they are funding the wars , this shows how having the Federal Reserve in control of the Capital allocation system today is in control of the direction of these allocations .

    • hungry4food

      Government is all about Control and look what control in history has solved ……

      This is a 1979 plan to control Population
      growth in the world and we can for sure see the similarities in what is going
      on today ;

      Weapons for Quiet Wars


      In the last Century
      290 million people killed by Government in the world


      Genocide and Mass
      Murder Since 1900


    • TheOriginalDaveH

      I think he’s saving his bullets for when your kind attack, KGB.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      KGB says — “I have one question for you Mr. Bob, does money give value to an object or does the object give value to the money?”.
      The object has its own value which is independent from paper money.
      Fiat Paper money has value only because the Government has mandated that it has value (Legal Tender Laws). If not for that, people would choose precious metals for their money (natural money, i.e. that which is accepted as money absent coercion by Big Government).
      Those people who want to learn more about Money should read these two books:

    • vicki

      But, how can you enjoy something that’s actually belongs to the Government? Who’s picture is on that dollar bill?

      Says a lot about your POV that you think money belongs to the Government.

      I have one question for you Mr. Bob, does money give value to an object or does the object give value to the money?

      Since “money” is an abstraction of objects (gold and silver coins. The only legal tender for states to accept,) Your question has no meaning.

  • rendarsmith

    “They don’t like natural or alternative medicine”
    You can definitely see that with all these Big Pharma commercials. Every TV commercial break.
    Why do you recommend pre 1964 silver coins and not post 1964?

    • Average_Joe56

      Because, before 1964 US coins ( *dimes, quarters, fifty cent pieces and silver dollars) had at least 75% silver content. After 1964 there is no silver content at all.

      In June of 1963, congress passed a bill removing silver certificates and silver coins form the money supply. On the same day that congress passed the bill, JFK issued Executive Order 11110 which took the issuance of silver currency from the Federal Reserve and placed it back in the hands of the Treasury Dept. 5 Months later, JFK was assassinated and on the very day of the assassination, the Federal Reserve released $50 billion in “New” Federal Reserve notes ( while the country was distracted by the death of the President)…backed by nothing…no longer backed by gold or silver. Does anyone still wonder why JFK was assassinated…or who did the deed?


      * edited for clarity……

      • rendarsmith

        So basically ANY US coins before 1964, not necessarily “silver coins” so to speak.
        Thanks for the information.

        • Average_Joe56

          Your best bet is to find coin dealers that sell “Bags” of old Dimes, quarters, and fifty cent pieces minted before 1964.
          (although pennies made before 1982…actually have copper content… after 1982, they are 99% zinc with a copper plating).

          There are lots of good deals, especially old Mercury Dimes etc…..because you are purchasing them for silver content (Badly worn)…rather than numismatic value….and they are available in a number of different size bags…for those who need to start small and work up to larger purchases.
          I hope that helps in your endeavors.

          • rendarsmith

            It just may! Thank you!

  • Dave

    So by Bob’s definition, the American people love psychopaths because we vote them back in every year.

    But see here is Bob’s problem. The term psychopath. Bob just makes up his own definition and expects all of us to buy more of his unique take on things.

    The dictionary defines Psychopath as:

    a person with a psychopathic personality, which manifests as amoral and antisocial behavior, lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, extreme egocentricity, failure to learn from experience, etc.

    But according to Bob, Psychopaths:

    “They don’t like the U.S. Constitution.”

    Does Bob have any evidence of this assertion? Of course not….

    “They don’t like guns in the hands of the people.”

    Does Bob have any evidence of this assertion? Of course not…. (BTW, Another NFL player was arrested for illegal weapons possession, can anyone tell me a time where an NFL player successfully defended themselves because they had a gun?)

    “They don’t like silver and gold in the hands of the people.”

    Does Bob have any evidence of this assertion? Of course not…. (BTW, Gold, Silver, Paper money…. its all the same… Its wasever people assign value to as a tradable item)

    “They don’t like small independent farmers and gardeners.”

    Does Bob have any evidence of this assertion? Of course not…. (Bob hates corporations with this assertion, So I believe their power needs to be limited so we can have more independent farmers)

    “They don’t like small shell re-loaders.”

    Does Bob have any evidence of this assertion? Of course not….

    “They don’t like the Internet.”

    Does Bob have any evidence of this assertion? Of course not….

    “They don’t like natural or alternative medicine.”

    Does Bob have any evidence of this assertion? Of course not….

    “They do like paper fiat money.”

    Does Bob have any evidence of this assertion? Of course not…. but the corporatists love any currency, Gold, Silver, Paper, an online transaction

    “They do like the stock market.”

    Does Bob have any evidence of this assertion? Of course not….But the wealthy corporatists have screwed this country with it. (see the 2008 collapse)

    “They do like genetically modified seeds and food.”

    Does Bob have any evidence of this assertion? Of course not….

    They do like vaccinations and inoculations.

    Does Bob have any evidence of this assertion? Of course not…. Is Bob saying that human life has not benefitted from vaccinations and inoculations?

    “They do like wars.”

    This has some truth to it… George W Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Pearle, Paul Wolfowitz, I would consider as such.

    They do glorify death and ritual sacrifice (wars).

    This rings true to an extent as well, Conservatives and this country in general fall all over themselves praising our troops when they die in battle or get legs/arms blown off as a platitude but where were we when we allowed criminals like Bush/Chaney to go to war in the first place? Nowhere… conservatives cheer their glorious leader. Liberals were labeled “Unpatriotic” because we dared question their glorious leader. Where you you when bush wasted our time and money diverting an Aircraft carrier and he flying onto it and declaring “Mission Accomplished”. Where you cheering or disgusted by the arrogance and ignorance like I was?
    Bob’s articale is great if you believe his altered definition of psychopath. If you believe that the rest of the world defines as a “psaychopath” Then this article lacks merit on so many levels.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Dave says — “So by Bob’s definition, the American people love psychopaths because we vote them back in every year”.
      They are either ignorant of reality, or they perceive that they will benefit from the special privileges gained by a minority of the people from Big Government.
      Which category do you suppose Dave fits in?

      • Dave

        More lies from DaveH, I have never said I like or want big Gov but that doesn’t stop ole DaveH from saying the same lie over and over again because I question his theories from mises which have never worked in the real world in the modern global economy. I guess we know how DaveH’s money is made. He is in sales.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Oh? So you’re saying you belong in the ignorant group?

          • JeffH

            Well that’s what most all of the other posters are saying.
            This is the internet so it must be true…next Dave47D will claim he’s a French model.
            It’s no wonder why he has zero credibility

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Dave says “because I question his theories from mises which have never worked in the real world in the modern global economy”.
          Oh? And you have evidence for that, Dave? Of course not. Dave is all about bluster and conjecture.

          All anybody needs to do to see that your adopted Socialism doesn’t work is to study this ranking of countries based on the size of their Governments to see that the Bigger their Government gets, the Smaller their economies get:

          • Dave

            The heritage Foundation is a corporatist front group that is #1.
            You are right Socialism does not work, neither does Communism or for that matter pure capitalism. It is a mix of socialism/capitalism that works best. Since the industrial revolution, that is what the US has been.
            Now if you want to go back to the early 1800’s when the US was much more agricultuarlly based, you are welcome to it but I hate to burst your bubble here but those days are gone. bad news for you and mises.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I provided evidence that Socialism doesn’t work.
            What evidence do you provide that Capitalism (Free Markets) doesn’t work, Dave?

          • Dave

            Sure, in a pure capitalist system, whole industries can collude to control the market, there is nothting to stop monopolistic practices from taking hold.

            (this is the pace where DaveH says its the Gov’s fault with ZERO proof of this assertion)

            In a world where currencies can be manipulated (our world), Gov’s can make it more adventageous to go business in their country. If the United States went to what mises advocates, we would be eaten alive by countries that do manipulate currency and make it cheaper to do business in their country because they do not have a true Gov answerable to their people (ie China, Singapore and a whole host of other quasi-capitalist-socialst/authoritarian regimes.

            But DaveH has hope that if the United States would just adopt what mises talke about, the rest of the world will see the light.

            So naive’

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “Sure, in a pure capitalist system, whole industries can collude to control the market, there is nothting to stop monopolistic practices from taking hold”.
            We all know that with Socialism, those in Power collude to defraud the rest of us. Because they have the power of Force.

            “nothting to stop monopolistic practices from taking hold” (Dave’s spelling not mine)”?
            How ignorant. But what else do I expect from Dave? In Free Markets, there could exist no monopoly for any length of time, because anybody could launch their own companies to compete with any that became abusive to their customers. And if those “monopolists” were abusive, their customers would be quick to forgo their products altogether or instead buy the products of their competitors.
            The only way that monopolies can exist is with the Force of Government backing them up.
            Those who want to be smarter than Dave (and that’s really easy to do) should read this book:
            For enlightenment on the “monopoly” issue in particular read Chapter 4.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “we would be eaten alive by countries that do manipulate currency and make it cheaper to do business in their country”.
            Care to explain how they would do that, Dave?
            Of course you can’t, because it’s pure Propaganda BS.
            If countries manipulate their currencies down compared to say the US dollar, then their citizens have to pay more for their goods, ergo the citizens of those countries are the ones who suffer. And those who are working in their industries are essentially providing their slave-labor to all the other countries who buy their goods.
            People who are benefiting from Big Government (Dave obviously) will of course try to convince you otherwise because in Free Markets they would actually have to be productive to make a living instead of being political.

          • vicki

            Sure, in a pure capitalist system, whole industries can collude to control the market, there is nothting to stop monopolistic practices from taking hold.

            As opposed to what? ATT having a government created monopoly on telephone service and equipment sales for MANY years?

            Lets look at the supposed monopoly of computing owned by IBM, DEC and Data General until a few upstarts dared to shake up the system with micro computers. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs (the well known names) sure put an end to that myth.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “It is a mix of socialism/capitalism that works best”.
            Because you say so, Dave?
            Pure conjecture. It’s what Progressives are good at.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “It is a mix of socialism/capitalism that works best. Since the industrial revolution, that is what the US has been”.
            There has almost always been a mix of Socialism and Capitalism, because there has almost always been Government. And Government is all about feathering the nests of themselves and their Crony Capitalists.
            But in the 1800s, while the Government was still largely restrained (less than 6% of GDP), the prosperity of this country increased rapidly.
            Here is one book everybody should read:

            I have posted this book many times in the past, so Dave has had plenty of opportunity to learn, but he doesn’t. Which inclines me to believe that he doesn’t want to learn because he is one of the minority of people who are benefiting from Big Government.

            Here is another that everybody should read but you’ll have to pay for this one:

          • Dave

            2 links… who much does the institute pay you for their propaganda? Do you get paid by the link?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Feel free to intelligently dispute anything that Mises Institute publishes, Dave.
            Oh, but it’s so much easier to do ad hominem attacks, isn’t it?
            You’re a useless, lying, Progressive Troll, Dave.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Dave says — “But see here is Bob’s problem. The term psychopath. Bob just makes up his own definition and expects all of us to buy more of his unique take on things”.
      For those who don’t understand where Bob is coming from:

    • Wiley2

      The evidence to support Bob’s conclusions is abundant and easily available to those who bother to look.

      • Dave

        Its called “propaganda” Wiley… That is what Bob is giving you. Nothing more, nothing less.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          No, Dave, it’s what you and your fellow Progressives push on this board — Propaganda. That is, unsupported, untruthful statements repeated often in the hopes that ignorant people will accept them as truth.

          • Dave

            Really Dave?

            Where is mises practiced today here in the real world? Austria? Switzerland? China? Singapore?
            So it is you that is the biggest pusher of unsupported propaganda. Mises is not fact, it is merely opinion unsubstantiated by anything that goes on in the real world.

          • Average_Joe56

            “Where is mises practiced today here in the real world? ”

            You do know that Mises is an institute that promotes Austrian Economics as a monetary policy…and not a religion…right?

            As far as I know, every developed nation in the world uses Keynesian economic theory as their basis of monetary policy…and that every developed nation is in the financial crapper. So….it’s painfully obvious that… Keynesian Theory doesn’t seem to be working out so well….maybe a change to Austrian economic theory is in order……

            The idea is to give something of value in exchange for something of value….We give the Government something of value ( our work, our sweat, and our hard earned income)…and all we get in return…is grief ….not much value there……

            In the future, you may want to study different monetary theories…before commenting on such matters….It is plain to see that you haven’t the slightest idea what you are talking about…..

            OK, your turn…yada, yada, yada……

          • Dave

            To DaveH and Bob, this is a religion. That is almost DaveH cites from… So to him, it is very much a religion.

            The concepts, its examples, its suppositions are not practiced anywhere because they do not deal in the real world. Which is why you, DaveH and others avoid my questions about it.

          • Average_Joe56

            Gee, I (we) didn’t see that coming…(sarcasm)…Yada, Yada, Yada…..
            BTW, DaveH has given you several links to read, if you truly wanted your questions answered…but none of us can make you read those links…. Therefore, I am under the impression that you don’t actually want those questions answered…that makes you disingenuous…Therefore, you must be here…. trolling…..

          • dave

            Average Joe,
            Truth is still truth no matter how you conservative propagandists try and color it.

          • Average_Joe56

            Your an idiot Dave…there is no polite way to say it…a complete and utter moron.

            Before you feign indignity (something that you are sadly lacking), I will remind you:

            “Truth is still truth no matter how you try and color it.”
            So, put your crayons down, go change into your “Big Boy” pants and then come back …and join the adults in the room.

          • Dave

            ad hominem

          • Average_Joe56

            Truth is still truth no matter how you try and color it.

            “ad hominem”
            Only when it isn’t the truth…….

          • Dave

            Apparently if you buy into mises, I am leaps and bounds above you in the intelligence and common sense department.
            I am still waiting for any of you to show how Bob’s assertions have anything to do with reality or the truth.

          • Average_Joe56

            Ah, a legend in your own mind, how apropos.

            “He was a dreamer, a thinker, a speculative philosopher… or, as his wife would have it, an idiot.”

            Douglas Adams

          • Dave

            Nope, I just let you drwn in your own nonsense.

            I know know how business actually works and have a inqusitive, independent mind.

            More than I can say for you and others so eager to follow DaveH’ss line of propaganda.

          • JeffH

            Dave47D says “I am leaps and bounds above you in the intelligence and common sense department.”

            Yeah, right… and pigs can fly too, right up there with the Unicorns and searching for the end of the rainbow.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            We’re still waiting for the “intelligence and common sense” from you, Dave.
            All I see from you are manipulative Progressive tactics and conjecture.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Truth — That which Dave (Dave67/Flashman/Shill) doesn’t want you to know.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Unlike you, Dave, I provide references for my statements, so that people can do more than just read my opinion of things.
            You should try that. But then, it is pretty tough to find references for nonsense, isn’t it Dave?

          • Dave

            Mises is not a reference Davey, Its your bible..You spout BS, lie about progressives and liberals and then send us a link to a several hundred page book that is 100% theory and expect it.

            You are the head fool and JeffH and the rest follow you. Just don’t stop too quick. JeffH will go right up your hind quarters

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “That [Mises] is almost [all] DaveH cites from”.
            That’s true. Wow, Dave said something true (Drum Roll). Even if it was somewhat incoherent.

            Because I can trust Mises, unlike almost anything that comes out of Dave’s mouth, to be the truth. So I generally don’t need to do a lot of checking before I post a Mises article.
            But no matter how much you denigrate with your ad hominem attacks, Dave, there will be readers who will read the articles or books and learn things that their Masters don’t want them to learn. So whine as you might, get ready to lose your special privileges. It won’t be long now.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “The concepts, its examples, its suppositions are not practiced anywhere because they do not deal in the real world”.
            Au Contraire, the real world is exactly what Mises deals with. They unmask the Propaganda and expose it for what it is. You see, Folks, Dave and his Masters don’t want you to know how much better your life would be without them. They don’t want to have to start working for their livings.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Perfection has never been purely accomplished either, Dave, but should that preclude people from aspiring to it?

            And as everybody knows, when Socialism is practiced to extreme, the country’s economy goes into the crapper. Why? Because the only way Socialism can exist is as a parasite on Capitalism.

          • Dave

            Has to be the extreme of one or the other in your world right DaveH? Could never have bits of both could it? You are a funny guy DaveH.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Ridicule — favored manipulative technique of Progressive Shills.

          • Dave

            Ridicule-Only when its warranted DaveH. You have shown a fanatics adherence to something that is a mere theory and is not used or could be used anywhere i the industrialized world.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            ad hominem attacks are pretty much all you have, Dave.
            Every time you try to state some conjecture as fact, I or somebody else shoots you down.
            You’re either too ignorant to understand that, or you are persistent because you’re being paid to mislead other innocent but ignorant people.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Theory trumps conjecture every day of the week, Dave67.

        • Wiley2

          As just one example, you wrote,

          “‘They do like paper fiat money.’ Does Bob have any evidence of this assertion? Of course not….”

          In fact, the evidence is clear that they do like paper money for a variety of reasons, most importantly for the ability to produce it in large quantity without the restraint of a tangible commodity to back it. This gives them the ability to spend without restraint and to transfer the cost to everyone else — to, in effect, steal tangible wealth through inflation. Without fiat money, the country’s huge debt and unfunded liabilities would not have been enabled to exist, the dollar would not have lost 97% of its purchasing power in the last 100 years, banks and bankers would not have been enabled to control the vast majority of the country’s wealth, government would not have been enabled to expand to its present massive size, and politicians would not have been able to fund needless wars and pursue their social engineering agenda or to enrich themselves to such a great extent at the expense of the people they claim to represent.

          As the saying goes, there are none so blind as those who will not see. Look at the facts.

          • Average_Joe56

            “Look at the facts.”
            Fat chance…did you forget who you were replying to?

          • Wiley2

            I know, it’s like talking to a rock, but I don’t have anything better to do this morning.

          • Average_Joe56

            LOL….nice…..but I think you have a better chance of reasoning with a rock…..

          • Dave

            Psychopaths???? You have shown ZERO proof of that assertion. You don’t believe that gold’s prices can’t be manipulated? and by many opf these same interests that you and Bob claim as “psychopaths” LOL…. Ok Wiley. Ok.

          • Wiley2

            Yes, the gold price is manipulated, enabled by the use of unlimited fiat money, and for the purpose of keeping the fiat Ponzi scheme going as long as possible. Again, the data to prove it is readily available to those who look.

          • Dave

            That is a falsehood and you know it. Whether its paper or gold, markets can be manipulated by those with the economic power.
            The only “wall” here is you, DaveH and something I like to call the real world.

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            Who is mastering the FALSEHOOD the best?

            DEMONcrats/Liberals/Kommunists/Fascists/Progressives – ALL Lefty. It’s UNDENIABLE, UNDISPUTABLE
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          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Indeed, markets can be manipulated, especially when the manipulators have the Force of Government to protect them.
            Bob is trying to wake people up to that reality.
            Shills like Dave are trying to keep them asleep.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The price of anything can be manipulated. And ignorance allows the manipulation to be effective. Ignorance such as promoted by Progressive Propagandists like Dave.

            If unbacked paper dollars were desirable as money, then Government would not have to Force their fiat money on people using Legal Tender Laws.

            Throughout history the natural monies (Gold, Silver, etc.) have been the monies of voluntary choice.

            For those who want to be smarter than Dave and his Progressive ilk want you to be:

          • Dave

            Without mises, DaveH has nothing to offer. He still can’t answer where these concepts are put in place and working today.
            You may have some fooled DaveH, but see I work in the world you act like you know something about and I can tell you after reading mises and the examples they use like early 1900 ones that are strickly internal to the United States, that they are merely theory.
            You fail again DaveH.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Of course, all Dave can offer is ad hominem attacks on Mises Institute.
            Thinking people should wonder why Dave is so afraid of you reading their books?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “You fail again DaveH”.
            Because you say so, Dave? That’s mighty presumptuous of you. Fortunately, intelligent readers can see that your comments have no substance, just emotional appeal to ignorant readers.
            Also, Dave, one might wonder if you’re working “in the world” how you have so much time to pester us on this board?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “He still can’t answer where these concepts are put in place and working today”.
            What has that got to do with the price of ……?
            If I have a sprained ankle, I can still walk, but does that make the sprained ankle a good thing? Of course not.
            The fact that Socialism has a presence throughout the world has nothing at all to do with whether Socialism is detrimental or beneficial. Dave is desperately trying any manipulative technique he can muster, because he has nothing of real substance to offer the reader.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Very good, Wiley2.

        • JeffH

          The progressive shill Dave47D knows all about the propaganda…he’s living proof of who the propaganda is intended for and the result is that the “usefull idiots” become shills.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Dave says — “”They don’t like guns in the hands of the people.”
      Does Bob have any evidence of this assertion?”.
      All one needs to do is pay attention to the perennial efforts by Congressmen to pass more Gun Controls, even though the Constitution tells them otherwise:
      “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”.

      Look up the word “infringed” for us, Dave.

      • Dave

        Once again, guns…. Funny how DaveH doesn’t have an issue with registrations on his car and the gov tracking who owns a particular car but he gets all up in arms when the same level of safety is applied to his guns.
        Conservatives are the most afraid people on the planet. I am surprised they even leave their homes… These fools need a gun for protection all the time. What frightened little rabbits they are.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Dave says — “Funny how DaveH doesn’t have an issue with registrations on his car and the gov tracking who owns a particular car but he gets all up in arms when the same level of safety is applied to his guns”.
          And you have come to that conclusion HOW, Dave?
          Can you cite any comments of mine saying such?
          Of course you can’t, because you’re just a typical lying Progressive who puts words in other peoples’ mouths.

          • Dave

            Same way you come to the conclusion that I want big Gov DaveH. But lets see if it can be confirmed…

            Do you support a national database to track the movement of firearms? Yes or No

            Do you support closing any loopholes around private gun sales Yes or no

            Do you support giving law enforcement more tools to do its job? Yes or No.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I support Freedom. I support punishing people who have actually committed a crime and leaving alone those who haven’t.
            I support educating people to the reality that Progressives like yourself, Dave, are working to increase the size of Government because they are benefiting at the rest of our expense — Like Parasites.

          • Dave

            Another DaveH comment that avoids the questions. Do you ever answer a question put to you?
            You certainly can lie though…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You claim to be working. So how is it that you have time to make so many comments? Hmmm.

          • Dave

            Because I am working with a team and its fun to make you mises disciples look like the fools you are as I work in the real world and deal with other countries and their trade issues as well as those rules with international corporations.

            But please continue to say next to nothing and cite a has no bearing here in the real world.

            You believe in Mises, just like fundmentalists believe in their religion of choice. Blind obedience and everything is one extreme or another. No middle ground. You, JeffH, Bob, Average Joe are what is wrong with this world, its either your way or no way and you will burn down anyone or anything to get your way. Deal with it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “Because I am working with a team”.
            Freudian Slip?

            By the way, Dave, you’re making us “look like the fools you are”?
            That’s funny. Who to? Your comments mostly get thumbs down, very few thumbs up.
            If you really had any brains you’d quit posting because I play off your comments to give people reading material and reality that they don’t get from the Public Propaganda schools.

            In fact, Dave, as of 5:40 PM ET your comments got 8 thumbs up, and a whopping 177 thumbs down. Do your handlers know about this? Are you really working for Bob and trying to make Progressives look bad? If so you are doing an excellent job, Dave.

          • Dave

            This site is a conservative site. What a revalation that the conservative majority that loves to have group think and agree with each other all the time, not like my posts.
            When I told you this previously, you and your boyfriend JeffH say “well I don’t know who is here to say it mostly conservatives”
            That is a dumb statement in a sea of dumb statements from you two. If I am a Who fan and I go to a Who fan site, I expect to see other Who fans there. If I say Keith Moon stunk as a drummer (he is one of the best BTW) I would expect to have many negative ratings.
            I would not expect you and Jeffrey’s feeble minds to get the concept.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More ad hominems. Sheesh, Flashman, one would think you’d change it up once in a while.

          • JeffH

            Stupid is as stupid does
            – F Gump

          • JeffH

            The ignorant progressive Dave47D says, “Blind obedience and everything is one extreme or another. No middle ground. You, JeffH, Bob, Average Joe are what is wrong with this world, its either your way or no way and you will burn down anyone or anything to get your way. Deal with it.”

            We are dealing with it!

            Are we wrong for advocating for freedom and liberty?

            “When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them”
            – Declaration of Independence

            Are we wrong because we believe that the basic aim of the founding fathers was to set the limits of the power of government? Limits that in effect protect the people from abuses of power in their everyday lives.

            Are we wrong because we believe that documents like the Bill of Rights, The Constitution and The Declaration of Independence contain these principles of liberty and freedom?

            “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their
            Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” – Declaration of Independence

            Unlike the ignorant progressive Dave47D, “we” don’t believe that the “force of government” is conducive to free men, the Founder’s and Framer’s principles of freedom and liberty, The Bill of Rights, The Declaration of Independence and The Constitution… which is the “Supreme Law” of this land.
            disclaimer: my use of the word “we” is used as a generality and is not intended nor meant to replace the thoughts and the words of any other commenter mentioned by Dave47D… other than myself.

          • Dave


            You advocate for freedom as long as everyone believes the conservative way (your way).

            If I believe that abortion is a complex issue which need to have an examination why women seek them in the first place. Until those issues are addressed, women should make decisions about their bodies since in many cases they are the ones left to deal with the issue after conception.

            That means I advocate the genocide of babies in conservativeland.

            If I believe that the Gov has a role to play in maintaining the health of society.

            That means I advocate for big Gov and want them to solve every problem.

            If I support two people of the same sex to enter into a legal contract called marriage

            That means I have no morals in wacked out conservativeland.

            You Jeffrey, like your other conservative brethren, love people to have their freedom until the disagree with your ideas. Then you are just too quick to pass laws to ban, make illegal anything you don’t like.

            I will put the liberal record on freedom against the conservative record any day. You and your boyfriend DaveH can’t even point to what conservatism in America has done for civil rights, women’s rights etc. People like you and DaveH are the American Taliban. Conservative, militant and in many cases, religiously ignorant.

          • JeffH

            Dave47D, if “if’s, and’s or but’s” were valuable you and your ignorant progressive ilk would be millionaires.
            You’re just a ranting looney tune.

            POLLY WANT A CRACKER? baaarrraaaccckkkkk!

          • Frank Kahn

            Okay, Dave, not aimed at me but I will answer anyway.

            NO, such a database will have no effect on illegal use of guns.

            NO, the government has no right to know who I sell my guns to

            NO, the types of TOOLS you are talking about are only restrictive to legal, law abiding citizens, and as thus should never be used.

          • Dave

            So in your mind, Because the law is not “perfect” we should do nothing and its ok for guns to slip from one user to another making more difficult to catch criminals use use the gun as their tool to commit a crime.
            That about sums up your positions right?

          • Frank Kahn

            Hmmm, one part of your post has a spelling error that made it difficult to be certain of your idea.

            “So in your mind,”

            I am trying to show you the logic behind the ideas, so it will be available to YOUR MIND also.

            “Because the law is not “perfect” we should do nothing ”

            Not 100% sure which law you are meaning. If you are talking about gun registration and / or a national database for tracking sales of weapons, then yes. Saying that it is not perfect is misleading. It does nothing to prevent crimes committed with guns. In the area of crime prevention this lowers if from “not perfect” to worthless.

            “and its ok for guns to slip from one user to another making more difficult to catch criminals use use the gun as their tool to commit a crime.”

            This part is where you have a problem with reality. In the past 40 years, I have sold about 8 guns, in private sales. If there was a national database in place, for that period of time, the government has the ability to trace a gun back to my previous ownership.

            To trace it, they need the serial number, and some reason to check it out.

            Now, in your thinking, if they trace it before a crime is committed with it, then they will be able to know a crime will be committed, and prevent it.

            Not sure how that works, since I am not a criminal, and no gun I have sold has been used in a crime, how would knowing I had owned it prove a crime will be committed?

            And, if the trace is performed after the gun was used in a crime, what difference does it make? The crime was already committed, so you can’t prevent it by knowing I used to own the gun.

            I know, you mean that if they trace several guns, that were used in crimes, back to my previous ownership, they can deduce that I am supplying criminals with weapons. So, yo can assume that I am intentionally doing this and prosecute me to take my gun supply off the market.

            That means, one less person selling guns to criminals, so less gun related violence.

            Two problems:

            1. I had no prior knowledge about the intent of the purchasers.

            2. If they can’t get a gun from me, they will get it from someone else.

            Once again, the law has not prevented any crime, so the law is worthless. It allows them to trace ownership of the weapons, not the ability to prevent crime.

            “That about sums up your positions right?”

            This sums up my positions. Gun registration is not capable of preventing crime. If you want to reduce the number of gun related incidents, you need to learn how to identify those with a propensity to commit them. You need to understand and look for the triggers that precede the crime.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Dave says — “Conservatives are the most afraid people on the planet. I am surprised they even leave their homes… These fools need a gun for protection all the time. What frightened little rabbits they are”.
          Odd, isn’t it, that the “brave” ones are the ones who are trying to ban guns? What are they afraid of?

          Dave is like a whiny little snot-nosed brat, who will say anything in an effort to manipulate others.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Dave says — “Funny how DaveH doesn’t have an issue with registrations on his car and the gov tracking who owns a particular car”.
          Perhaps you could show the readers where I said any such thing, you lying shill?
          The bottom line, Dave, is that you are an accessory to the murder of every person who has become a victim due to people like you making it harder for them to defend themselves.

          • Dave

            Blah blah blah…. Ad hominem attack…. blah blah blah.

            I have no problem with guns, just the idiots who have them and use them as toys with little regard for responsibility when it comes to owning a gun. If that is you, then so be it. If you own a gun, keep it in the proper storage at all times, take the proper training and safety courses and support common sense safety regs on them, then I have no issue.
            You have it so that all your freedom is dependent on your ability to walk around with a holstered gun irregardless of how this country came into being or our ideals.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            “our ideals”?
            You have a mouse in your pocket, Dave?

            You have “no problem with guns”, Dave? That’s odd, since you made the statement quoted below:
            “Conservatives are the most afraid people on the planet. I am surprised they even leave their homes… These fools need a gun for protection all the time. What frightened little rabbits they are”.

            Intelligent people know that the “safety courses”, “common sense safety regs”, and “proper storage” and all efforts by Progressive gun-grabbers to make it as difficult as possible for people to acquire and own guns.

            You have no credibility on this board, Dave.

          • Frank Kahn

            First of all, Dave, you are neither in a position to decide what is safe, responsible or proper, nor does your opinion have any reasonable application in this subject.

            I don’t need any training on gun safety, I was taught that at a very early age in my life. Such training is, and should always be, the purview of the family.

            The term Idiots, is most aptly used in describing liberal gun control people.

            People who use guns as toys are either mentally deficient or just plain criminals, not regular legal gun owners.

            Your idea of responsibility is insane, you think that we are responsible for keeping guns from criminals, when even the government can’t figure out how to do it.

            Gun control legislation has not, and never will, be able to remove guns from criminals.

            Locking all the guns in safes will not do it either, it will only make it impossible to use the weapons if they are actually needed.

            Take a few months and try to come up with some new, and workable, way of preventing criminals use of guns.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Speaking of safety, I got riled one day many years ago after hearing more anti-gun Propaganda, and I called the NRA. I asked them why don’t they diffuse the BS by calling for gun safety training courses in all the high schools. They said they already had tried that, and only 2 of the anti-gun California Legislators would even look at their materials.
            Because the truth is that the anti-gunners could care less about safety. They just want to throw up enough hurdles to discourage most people from buying a gun.
            Armed People are Citizens. Disarmed People are Subjects.

          • Dave

            DaveGun safety in HS? LOL… Ok, we don’t do courses on balancing a checkbook or managing money in HS anymore, don’t have civics courses, music, art, or how to make things in Shop class/cooking classes… But you want to have gun safety courses in HS.

            Ok, really good allocation of resources there DaveH. Gun safety courses are and should be done by the NRA for anyone who buys a gun should have to go through such courses. The HS system has enough issues to deal with.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            In other words, you have no interest in gun safety. Thanks for proving your lack of credibility, Dave.

          • JeffH

            Funny thing…in California my 6th grade teacher voluntarily taught certified “Hunter’s Safety” classes at my grammar school which also included gun safety training and a trip to to the range. I even brought a .22 to school for that class…no complaints from anyone.
            Too bad that interested kids aren’t allowed to learn about proper gun safety in school these days. They certainly would be better off at having a better understanding of safe gun handling along with proper function and use.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Thanks TODH, couldn’t have said it better myself.

        • Frank Kahn

          Owning a car is not mentioned in the constitution.

          Actually it is mostly liberals who are afraid, they constantly beg the government to protect them from things. Conservatives are not afraid, they just want the government to back off.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Thanks Frank Kahn.

          • Dave

            LOL, prove that assertion in the face of conservatives pass laws against abortion, same sex marriage, try and make Christianity the state offical language (NC), English the offical national language.
            You must have brown eyes you are so full of it.

          • Frank Kahn

            So many things wrong with all your posts.

            “LOL, prove that assertion in the face of conservatives pass laws against abortion, ”

            Unlike liberals, we understand that killing an unborn baby is the same as murder.

            “same sex marriage, ”

            There is no such thing, marriage is defined throughout history as a union between a man and woman. Government has no right or official authority to change the meanings of our language.

            “try and make Christianity the state offical language (NC), ”

            Christianity is not a language, and therefor cannot be made the official language of anywhere.

            “English the offical national language.”

            In case you are totally bereft of education, we don’t speak English, we speak American English. Also, this country has been an American English speaking nation since it was founded. It is, by common usage and consent, the official language used here. All documents and communications between citizens and government have been conducted in this language. If a large portion of the population refuses to learn the language, they are incapable of conducting normal social and business functions with the rest of the nation. It is not feasible to attempt to maintain social cohesiveness, within the nation, without all citizens being required to understand the same language. Even the official international language for air traffic controllers and pilots is American English. If you want to conduct business with me, you either speak the language I understand or get an interpreter so I can understand. When I lived in Italy, they expected me to learn a reasonable amount of their language to communicate with them.

            So, whether it is OFFICIAL or not, I will not make any effort to learn 100 different languages just so foreigners can be lazy and not learn the language of this country.

            Think of it as logistics, is it more reasonable to expect the government and people of this country to learn every language of every immigrant, or for them to learn one new language each?

            I understand several languages already, but I refuse to be required to learn Chinese (both types), Mexican, French, German, Russian, Japanese, Vietnamese, and hundreds of other languages and dialects.

        • Don 2

          New White House Study Finds…..Guns Save Lives – Consistently Lower Injury Rates Among Gun Using Crime Victims

        • Nadzieja Batki

          No Dave, you are the most frightened human on the planet including all you ideologues. If you weren’t frightened none of the Conservative or Libertarian articles or comments would bother you or concern you.

          • Dave

            LOL! Ok Nads…. I like to counter ignorance. Its one of my personality flaws… But I am working on it. I hope to be as perfect as the rest of you conservatives one day. I just need to “go along” more

        • Don 2

          So, Dave, at what age were you first diagnosed as a true hoplophobe?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Dave says — “BTW, Gold, Silver, Paper money…. its all the same… Its wasever people assign value to as a tradable item”.
      That one statement exposes that either Dave is extremely ignorant, or he is a shill.
      Gold has been a sought after metal for thousands of years. It was naturally accepted as money (a medium of exchange) because it had intrinsic value of its own, did not tarnish, and it was easily divisible into smaller sizes due to its homogeneous nature.

      • Dave

        LOL… Why Gold? Not Zinc? How about Oranges?
        Value is placed on anything groups of people assign. I could use fruitloops as currency if people buy into its value.
        There is nothing special about any metal that makes it better than any other means to trade. Pretty soon, money…. paper, metal or any other physical item may be gone in favor of “credits”
        Its too funny to watch those who long for the “gold” standard’s return based on what? They must have their money tied to the gold market, although those people just had their buts handed to them.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Rescind the Legal Tender Laws and see what people accept voluntarily as money. That’s the only equitable way. But Dave doesn’t want fairness. Dave wants to Force his way on you, like all privilege-seekers.

          • Dave

            More lies DaveH??? Really?
            Poor DaveH has no clue how societies function at all.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            “Poor DaveH”? I feel like I’m debating with a 4th grader. Sticks and stones will…….. Wah!
            What did I lie about? Please enlighten the readers.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Dave says — “”They do like paper fiat money.”
      Does Bob have any evidence of this assertion?”.
      Anybody who does any studying knows that the Bankers and Government have been working together since the colonization of America to create paper money because it allows them to easily confiscate peoples’ wealth.
      Read these:

      • Dave

        DaveH and is theory again…
        It has little relivance here in the real world.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          My theory trumps your conjecture every day of the week.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Dave says — “”They do like wars.”
      This has some truth to it… George W Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Pearle, Paul Wolfowitz, I would consider as such”.

      Funny that Dave doesn’t mention Obama, Clinton, Johnson, Roosevelt, or Wilson, all Progressive Democrats, all War-Mongers.

      • Dave

        Tell me the country’s Obama, Clinton invaded and occupied please… Oh, thats right, they did not do anything of the sort..
        Lydon Johnson, from TX… a Progressive Democrat? Ok now that funny.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Libya, Bosnia. Maybe Syria next?

          Even Obama’s own party members were trying to get him impeached over Libya:

          And surely you haven’t forgotten the “Wag the Dog” Kosovo War meddling by Clinton to distract people from his Sexual Predations?

          • Dave

            There as been no invasion, no occupation by US forces. Obama supported the rebels by helping NATO enforce “no-fly” zones and NATO led strikes against Gov forces. Where Obama violated the law in my opinion is not notifying Congress of this action. That was bad.
            There was centuries old trouble in that region with Muslims and Christians killing each other. The UN decided to intervene. That was NOT a US operation. We lent special forces and air power to try and stop the killing and to maintain the peace if it could be achieved.
            Maybe Syria? Now we can add “future-teller” to your list of accomplishments?
            See Dave, Vietnam was an invasion/occupation…. Iraq was an Invasion/Occupation. Maybe you need assistance in understand what the terms mean.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Pure equivocation, but what else would I expect from you, Dave?
            So, I guess if they send a drone to your house, it would not count because they don’t invade your house or occupy it?
            I would be against that, believe it or not, because then we would have one less example of the depravity of Progressives on this board. One Progressive comment is worth a thousand anti-Progressive words in exposing Progressives for what they really are.

          • Frank Kahn

            Maybe you need assistance in understanding the terms. Iraq was an invasion and occupation, Vietnam was not.

          • Dave

            Really Frank?

            Maybe you should ask the Vietnamese. The people of Siagon may have a differing opinion on that. We came in behind the French who had their butts handed to them. Johnson and other conservatives then lied to the country telling us this war was about capitalism vs communism when it was really about keeping french colonial interests in place.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Notice, Folks, how Dave uses the typical Progressive style of Equivocation when he says — “Tell me the country’s Obama, Clinton invaded and occupied please”.
          Killing is killing, Dave, whether it’s done with boots on the ground or from the sky above.

        • JeffH

          Typical question from the ignorant progressive Dave47D…”Tell me the country’s Obama, Clinton invaded and occupied”

          A poor attempt to re-direct aye Dave47D?

          Hmmm, war?

          war [wawr] noun, verb, warred, war·ring, adjective

          1. a conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation; warfare, as by land, sea, or air.

          2. a state or period of armed hostility or active military operations: The two nations were at war with each other.

          3. a contest carried on by force of arms, as in a series of battles or campaigns: the War of 1812.

          4. armed fighting, as a science, profession, activity, or art; methods or principles of waging armed conflict: War is the soldier’s business.

          5. active hostility or contention; conflict; contest: a war of words.

          • Dave

            JeffH has not gone to the range yet…

            I say Invasion/Occupation and Jeffrey gives a definition of “war”

            JeffH is confused ao
            the subject of the conversation but this is typical for the brainwashed.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            As I pointed out, Dave, you are the one who made it an issue of “Invasion/Occupation”. It isn’t. It is one of US meddling in other countries affairs and murdering innocent people (those who haven’t attacked us).

          • JeffH

            I’ll just quote Clinton as my response to your continued ignorance…and my posting the definition of war was only my effort to help you not hinder you.

            Ole Dave47D make a feeble attempt at the tried and true Clinton method to cover his stupidity…”It depends upon what the meaning of the word is…… is”

          • Dave

            Jeffrey, if you list justifies “war loving” than every president in the industrial age is a war monger.
            LOL… Conservatives, gotta love their “logic”

        • JeffH


          Sept. 1994 – Invasion of Haiti

          Sept. 1995 – Bosnia, Operation Deliberate Force

          April 1999 – Serbia, Operation Allied Force

          U.S. drone attacks in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and elsewhere. But drone strikes are only the tip of an iceberg, making up less than 10 percent of at least 20,130 air strikes the U.S. has conducted in other countries since President Obama’s inauguration in 2009.

          Obama initiated, and personally oversees a ‘Secret Kill List’.

          Waged war on Libya without congressional approval.

          Started a covert, drone war in Yemen – Killing Civilians, Bolstering Dictatorship, and Bombing in Secret

          Escalated the proxy war in Somalia.

          Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan.

          Maintained a presence in Iraq even after “ending” the war.

          Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan.

          Sold $30 billion of weapons to the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia.

          Secretly deployed US special forces to 75 countries.

          Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia.

          Opened a military base in Chile.

          Obama sends U.S. troops to Niger to set up drone base.

          Obama sends 400 troops to Syrian border
          US to leave 10,000 troops in Afghanistan past 2014

          U.S. expands counterterrorism assistance in Cambodia in spite of human rights concerns

          The US is going to “substantially increase its military presence in the Philippines, increasing the number of troops, aircraft and ships which routinely rotate through the country,” – a reason given: to “serve The Philippines when struggling against natural disasters.”

          Remember the 35 children who died in Gaza this month from Israeli bombardments (with your approval and U.S. weapons). Remember the 168 children who have been killed by US drone attacks in Pakistan since 2006. Remember the 231 children killed in Afghanistan in the first 6 months of this year

          Obama continues to support the brutal Bahraini dictatorship, valuing ruthless control of the Persian Gulf over democracy

          Obama authorized covert support for Syrian rebels

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      The readers ought to be getting the message by now — Dave has no credibility.

      • Dave

        The readers ought to be getting the message by now — DaveH works for mises and lies about those he disagrees with often.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Feel free to point out anything I have said about you, Dave, that is a lie.

          • Dave

            I am socialist, I am for big Gov… All big whopping lies.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re insulting the readers’ intelligence, Dave. Anybody who reads your comments knows what you are.

          • Dave

            If you had any DaveH, you asked what lies you have said and I gave you two shining examples and then you try and switch subjects that is your tactic.. just like a typical conservative/corporatist shill.

          • JeffH

            POLLY WANT A CRACKER? baaarrraaaccckkkkk!

          • Dave


          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave, why aren’t you working? There you have it, Folks, another useless Government drone feeding on the taxpayer.

          • Dave

            There you have it, anotherr DaveH lie meant to pass as humor.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Evasive answer. Shades of Flashman.

          • Dave

            Evasive answers are your MO.
            Was Reagan a conservative?
            Who do you apply the neo-liberal label to in your “normal” discourse?
            What have conservatives ever done wrong?
            Tell me in your own words how mises theory applies in a world with different currencies, forms of Gov and economic systems?
            I have asked you these questions multiple times and you have evaded them each time. Bou don’t want the rest of the world to know what I know. That you are full of it and a paid endorcer of Mises

    • WTS/JAY

      Dave: So by Bob’s definition, the American people love psychopaths because we vote them back in every year.

      They must. At least you and 65% of Americans who voted for the same “psychopath” and his ghouls, twice! Way to go, psycho-lover!

    • Dave


      I never voted for Bush. Sorry.

      I vote 3rd party way more than I vote for either corrupt party. Sorry Jeff.

    • Alan

      Bob is right on. Hitler was certainly a psychopath, and Barry shows many of the same traits.

      • Dave

        Show me all the similarities between Hitler and Obama please… Which traits does Obama have. Show how they differ from a good conservative like Reagan?

        • TheOriginalDaveH
          • Dave

            hey Look,

            I can play DaveH’s ignorant game too..


            next lets compare Hitler with the Tea Party

            – Blaming the nation’s suffering on primarily left-wing groups and minorities (Liberals, Democrats, illegal immigrants, and Obama for TP, Liberals, Jews, Communists, and other minorities like the Roma for Nazis)

            – Promoting national exceptionalism (meaning their country is far better than all other nations in the world)

            – Regards academia as being controlled by “the enemy” (Liberals (“Liberal Ivy League”)/Jews)

            – Promoting a strong military (Militarism)

            – Strong disdain for communism or any Marx-like philosophy

            – Promoting themselves as a party for the common people

            – Emphasis on national pride (which is not necessarily a bad thing. Only in massive doses is it a poison.)

            – Opposes “mixing” (TP: Internationalism and Multiculturalism vs. Nazi: Mixing of “pure” and “dirty” blood

            – alleges that “the enemy” is conspiring to ruin the nation (TP: Liberals, Obama, Democrats, and the like. Nazis: Jews, Communists, and various minorities)

            – both fall into the “far right” category on the political compass

            – both emerged during times of economic hardship

            – bending religion to suit their respective ideological agendas (“Priests will be paid by us and, as a result, they will preach what we want.” – Martin Bormann)

            – both ideologies are based extensively on already existing ideas and thoughts (I will elaborate if asked)

            – both promote the deportation of certain peoples from a nation (TP: Illegal immigrants. Nazis: Jews and various minorities)

            Wow, this is fun… but there is this issue about 15 Million jews being killed in Europe… But its a fun game none-the-less.

            So I now have a better idea what nonsense the conservative “mind” deals in.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            As usual your ignorance is glaring, Dave. I am not now, and never have been a Bush supporter.
            Keep trying though, eventually you might throw something at the wall that sticks.

          • Dave

            But you agree with the Tea party right?
            There are several examples how the Tea party are like Hitler.
            The stupidity of your little game is what is really glaring.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The Tea Party is a non-cohesive hodge-podge of various political ideas, Dave. So the short answer to that would be No.
            Keep trying, Dave. Even a stopped clock is correct twice a day.

          • independent thinker

            Nice fantacy you should take up writing fiction for a living.

          • Dave

            Then you must apply the same label to DaveH, he is the one with the BS link with Hitler-Obama similarities. For extra credit IT, find me similarities between Hitler and Ghandi. I am sure the comparison is out there somewhere.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            All Progressives are enemies of Freedom, Dave. That includes you of course.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Cut the crap, you are not interested in any of us telling you similarities between the two Thugs as you already know them.

    • Frank Kahn

      If you consider the idea that almost all politicians are psychopaths, then the proof you are asking for is obvious. The politicians do exhibit all the traits described in the talking points, so if they are psychopaths, it proves that psychopaths like and / or dislike the items listed.

      Your abusive ranting against conservatives is pure BS, the liberals, who blindly follow Obama, are exactly as you describe.

      He uses, obviously blatant, self serving motivations for his death by executive decision.

      So, to either support or refute the article, you need to determine if the politician(s) are psychopaths. I give a quote for reference in this.

      “First described systematically by Medical College of Georgia psychiatrist Hervey M. Cleckley in 1941, psychopathy consists of a specific set of personality traits and behaviors. Superficially charming, psychopaths tend to make a good first impression on others and often strike observers as remarkably normal. Yet they are self-centered, dishonest and undependable, and at times they engage in irresponsible behavior for no apparent reason other than the sheer fun of it. Largely devoid of guilt, empathy and love, they have casual and callous interpersonal and romantic relationships. Psychopaths routinely offer excuses for their reckless and often outrageous actions, placing blame on others instead. They rarely learn from their mistakes or benefit from negative feedback, and they have difficulty inhibiting their impulses.

      The best-established measure of psychopathy, the Psychopathy Checklist-Revised (PCL-R), developed by University of British Columbia psychologist Robert D. Hare, requires a standardized interview with subjects and an examination of their file records, such as their criminal and educational histories. Analyses of the PCL-R reveal that it comprises at least three overlapping, but separable, constellations of traits: interpersonal deficits (such as grandiosity, arrogance and deceitfulness), affective deficits (lack of guilt and empathy, for instance), and impulsive and criminal behaviors (including sexual promiscuity and stealing).”


      Now, a few items extracted to weigh against Obama.

      “they are self-centered,”

      He constantly says that we need to correct things by doing what he thinks is right.


      Okay, this one is obvious to everyone that is not a blind Obama lover

      “and undependable,”

      Okay, he is never available when the SHTF, he would rather be golfing or campaigning than attending to national crisis.

      “and at times they engage in irresponsible behavior for no apparent reason other than the sheer fun of it.”

      This one is going to be based on opinions, many of us see almost all his actions as irresponsible and can see not logical reasoning for them.

      “Largely devoid of guilt, empathy and love, they have
      casual and callous interpersonal and romantic relationships. ”

      Hard to parse this one, he appears to have empathy for certain racial, ethnic, religious or lifestyle groups. However, on closer inspection, these groups are all directly related to HIM, which just takes us back to the idea of being self-centered. And, there have been reports of his affinity for casual homosexual relationships.

      “Psychopaths routinely offer excuses for their reckless and often outrageous actions, placing blame on others instead ”

      Okay, here we have the “it was Bush’s fault”, or the “Bush started it, did it first” defense of his actions. We also have the blaming of legal gun owners for the tragic mass shootings, to foster outrageous gun control legislation. We don’t want to offend Muslims, so we will call it something besides Islamic terrorism. The 11 year old boy, in Pakistan, would have grown into a terrorist so he was not collateral damage in the drone strike. The lack of progress in congress is all the fault of the GOP, so if they won’t enact legislation, HE will make it happen with an EO.

      So, by examining the traits list of psychopaths, Obama is one (not to say that many others are not also guilty). And, again I say, if he is a psychopath, and his record supports the items listed in this article, then they have merit.

      Please, attempt to explain why we should accept that you have more merit than the author.

      • WTS/JAY


    • Nadzieja Batki

      You are actually afraid that what Bob Livingston wrote is true, but you wish it was not true so you attack all who agree with Bob Livingston but you are also attacking yourself and those of your ideology who see this too and are as conflicted as you are.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Sock it to ’em, Bob.

  • http://batman-news.com Jim B

    The cops, the military, they are counted as us too! Will a cop or military soldier turn his gun on civilians, not likely. Will one of the more politically connected government agencies turn on civilians, maybe the DHS, TSA, NSA, and IRS, these are communist infiltrations into our Republic. They can be manipulated by a corrupt government like the one we have in place today. There is a cancer in the WH and that cancer is becoming more and more desperate to gain control or re-gain control by pulling the wool over the eyes of the countries ignorant. Ignorance that has been nurtured by a government who has stepped over the line far too many times.

    Ben Franklin remembered:
    A nation of well-informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins.

    • Average_Joe56

      ” Will a cop or military soldier turn his gun on civilians, not likely.”
      You may wish to re-think that position….they are enlisting people now, based on their ability to follow orders without question. They are keeping them in “combat” longer , to desensitize them to the brutality of war and destruction.
      Let’s not forget that over the last 50 years the educational system in this country has been dumbing down the citizens…so that they don’t know what it legal, illegal…moral or immoral…they have been quietly creating a nation of drones….who’s sole responsibility is to protect the Hive….and you and me…are not members….of that Hive…… which makes us…the enemy of the Hive.


      If this isn’t enough evidence, there’s plenty more out there…. Welcome to the “New Amerika”

      • Charlie

        From the beginning of America The High Commander has been and still is ,,, King Jesus Christ ,,, today He is The American Militia Commander… Since time began , have you ever heard or read of King Jesus Christ being “Conquered” by any Force of Arms??? Meanwhile ,for, continued “Victory” , Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…
        Charlie Freedom

    • trugrits

      Your thinking an American soldier will not turn against an American is a crock. Those that will not will be removed from serving in the areas the government wants to control. Look at what happened during Katrina and tell me a soldier will not go against an American. Keep you out of your own home and take your guns.
      A soldier will be given an order such as it is greatest importance we stop these anarchists from taking over this country. The people will be called anarchists for not wanting to be slaves to the government.
      I have asked a naval person if he was ordered to kill an American would he do it. He said an order is an order.

    • Sic Semper Tyrannis

      You need to understand something about the DHS. It is widely believed at this point that they have sniper assassination squads in every major metropolitan area in the US with a kill list of every dignitary including Governors, Lieutenant Governors, Secretaries of State, Sheriffs, Mayors, Representatives – State and federal, Senators – State and federal, police chiefs, aldermen, County Commissioners, judges, veterans, Constitutionalists, State Militia commanders, and even some US military commanders. There is no doubt the police departments have been militarized by our federal government intentionally, but it is my opinion that they never intended the police departments to use these vehicles in the long run, nor will they be any match against the weapons, tanks, assault vehicles, and ammo the DHS has amassed with our taxpayer dollars for our own destruction. They will need these police departments to contain the People during martial law. They will likely then blackout communications, the media, and the internet and start their assassinations of dissidents and anyone they deem with the moxie, resources, and wherewithal to organize and start any resistance. Of course, for all we know, they may have purchased all of this for the invading Russian and Chinese armies to do their bidding. They will likely let these guys do their thing once the country goes down.


  • grassroot

    And, this freedom of information proliferation, is why they hate
    the internet. Can’t shut it down but they can liten to all that’s being said. Go ahead and listen. This is the first time in history
    of mankind that such widespread info. is available and can’t be

    controlled by the state. Not the way they’ed like anyway.

  • LadyFloridaCracker

    HURRY………..Read the book “THE HARBINGER” they can’t keep it printed fast enough. The author is Jonathan Cahn.

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      “The Harbinger” by Rabbi Jonathan Cahn – Isaiah 9:10, America and Biblical Prophesy

      “The bricks have fallen down, But we will rebuild with hewn stones;
      The sycamores are cut down, But we will replace them with cedars.” (Isaiah 9:10)

      You have to watch the video where Rabbi Jonathan Cahn explains in the details the meaning of the Isaiah 9:10

      The conclusion: America MUST REPENT.

      • Charlie

        America must repent by understanding and doing Acts 2:38 ,,, this Rabbi Jonathan Cahn most likely does NOT agree with Acts 2:38,,, therefore he most likely is a modern day AntiChrist as pointed at by 1 John 2:18–25…. Notice,,, NO where in The Bible , does it say “the Jews are God’s Chosen People,,, BUT,,, The Bible says in many places “the Children of Jacob Israel are God’s Chosen People”,,, 1 Chronicles 16:13 being one of the many verses… Meanwhile … Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation ………..
        Charlie Freedom

  • rbrooks

    if we could just elect folks of suitable ethnic back ground, proper religious education & right minded thinking, the country could be saved.

    • JeffH

      rbrooks, you’re not a very good fisherman are you?
      I hope the other posters are savy enough to not take the bait.

      • rbrooks

        most of the other posters, and the authors on this site, are the best examples of my post.
        they will remain silent in total agreement of what i have posted.
        feel free to read the many comments that are supportive of that ideal that i posted.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Thumbs down is the usual case for your comments, rbrooks.

          • rbrooks

            well, old joe just proved his support. doubt he realises or meant to.

            alondra is a fine example. perhaps samurai can add his comments as well.

            jeffh denys the numerous posts that confirm the original post.

            and poor daveh. your ‘companions’ will not tolerate your lack of god. btw dave. why aren’t your companions giving you more thumbs up.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Those who don’t except my Atheism aren’t my “companions”, rbrooks.
            I only hang out with people who respect Freedom.

          • rbrooks

            you hang out here. a lot. with folks that do not except your atheism. or your version of freedom.

            you are a good example of the americanized version of the german jew.

          • TheOriginalDaveH


          • rbrooks

            rather ignorant of history aren’t you.

            wait till they come for you.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You mean your buds?
            I was raised Catholic. My whole family was Catholic. I’ve never known one of them to try to force his/her religion on me. But I’ve known lots of Progressives who use Big Government to Force their choices on me.
            I would take religious people over Progressives any day of the week.

          • Dave

            Conservatives never ever force their will on others…. Anti-Abortion laws, laws against same sex marraige, this book is “indecent” this book is not therefore must be banned. McCarthyism, gerrymandering of districts and trying to prevent people from voting…
            Conaervatives are just a bunch of sweetheart, live and let live people.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You speak of Neoconservative Progressives in relation to the Gay Marriage issue.
            Anti-abortion is a legitimate issue for anybody who believes murder is wrong.
            History has vindicated McCarthyism.
            Gerrymandering has been used by both political parties, and is generally thought of as a bipartisan offence.
            Preventing people from voting? You mean like this?

          • Stuart Shepherd

            You lost me, original. What the H E double toothpick is a “Neoconservative progressive?”

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Progressive — One who thinks Big Government is the solution to peoples’ problems.
            There are two main classes of Progressives — Neoconservative and Liberal.
            Neoconservative — One who thinks Big Government should be used to kick ass on other countries whether in self-defense or not, and who wants to use Big Government to force moral lifestyle choices on other people regardless of whether or not they are harming others such as drug usage and other victim-less crimes.
            Liberal — One who thinks Big Government should be used to support people with other peoples’ money, and who wants to use Big Government to enforce various feel-good lifestyle choices on other people such as environmentalism, etc.
            All Progressives are enemies of Freedom.

          • rbrooks

            you left out all of you neo socialists.

            your application of your definitions is suspect.

          • Dave

            DaveH is suspect. Conservatives are NEVER EVER responsible for anything. When a conservative messes up royally like our previous president, he is called a neo-Con.

            Does DaveH use Neo-progressive or neo-liberal anywhere in his descriptions of things? Nope…

            I will put the record of progressives and liberals against the record of conservatives anyday of the week. DaveH can’t even come up with anything his lovely conservatives have done for civil rights, women’s rights etc…. BECAUSE… the conservatives of those days fought against civil rights, fought against women’s rights just like today they fight against marriage equality and a women’s rights over her body.

            DaveH and every other conservatives who believes as he does is in complete denial about what conservatism has and has not done. Conservatives love freedom? HA! Their record is one of anti-freedom, except their own. pro-corporatism, except with a Dem is in charge and contempt for the liberal tradition that ended slavery, minority voting rights, women’s rights and the list goes on and on.
            We should just give the conservatives Texas and airlift out the good people of Austin. It will be funny as hell to watch these morons try and levy taxes to pay services that people will want and need. They have spent the past 30 years leaching off of states like CA, NY, NJ and other liberal states that pay more into federal coffers than they get back while states like KY, AL, MS, GA, SC take more than they pay in.
            Conservatism in America is a mental disease and a joke. But the likes of DaveH will lie, lie and lie some more about progressives and liberals to cover for the horrible record of the conservative movement throughout history and especially since we were inflicted with Roand Reagan.

          • rbrooks

            dave, and his mentor rockwell, are just selling the same old neo socialist policy’s.

            he has added a bit of ann rand and tom carylye as well.

            most of his supporters have no idea what daveh really supports.

            daveh has no idea how fast his supporters will turn on him.

          • rbrooks

            you mean the islamic rule would be fine? or perhaps the mormons. those wonderful catholics that use the govt to force their ideals on the population. the fire and brimstone baptists.
            none of them have much use for a heretic.

            lol. you are amusing in your blind defense.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            With the exception of the radical Islamics, muslims in general are no worse than any other religion. Sure they get angry and hate the US. Nobody likes bullies.

          • Stuart Shepherd

            I agree with you, originalDaveH, as I have known many muslims who have excellent self-control, good values, and fine intelligence. Many are quite devout. HOWEVER, it is actually hard sometimes to distinguish which ones might be more prone to “the dark side” of their religion- and there is one. Mohammed was the only prophet (amongst many listed in the Old Testament and also Jesus) who was a warrior. One clue is how they react to the mention of Jewish people. If the discussion suddenly goes cold, you might have a “borderline” muslim on your hands.

          • rbrooks

            you got one right.
            mythology’s are similar.

            which one of these mythology’s will tolerate atheists.

          • independent thinker

            “…with folks that do not except your atheism. or your version of freedom.”
            Thats odd, the only ones who seem to have a big problem with TODH are you, dave, Flashy, and other liberal/progressive flacks and shills.

          • rbrooks

            once you have eliminated all of the alleged liberals, progressives, or other common popular ‘deviants’, dave will become the new common popular ‘deviant’ that must be eliminated.

          • Dave

            IT, DaveH strive for purity… Once they get rid of you they can have freedom…. None of this nasty independent thought and differing of opinion. You disagree with DaveH, you hate freedom, want big gov and to kill puppies.

          • Average_Joe56

            “you hang out here. a lot. with folks that do not except your atheism. or your version of freedom. ”

            Actually, most of us are very accepting. While we hope to change DaveH’s mind, we understand that it is his decision and his alone.
            Unlike you and most of your liberal buddies, we don’t feel the need to force our values on anyone else…. we believe in freewill…a gift from God.

            As for DaveH’s version of freedom…it looks just fine from my point of view…unlike your version of trying to run our lives based on your vision of dictating your wants and needs…rather than your actual “Rights”….

          • rbrooks

            your version of freedom by forcing everyone to follow your morals and ideals.

            free will. not something that mythology or its followers tolerate.

            i bet you support abortion, gay marriage and felons owning guns.

            like old daveh, you selectively pick what rights, free will or freedom others may have.

            then you complain when you are included.

          • Average_Joe56

            “your version of freedom by forcing everyone to follow your morals and ideals. ”

            Reading comprehension issues eh?
            My post:
            Unlike you and most of your liberal buddies, we don’t feel the need to force our values on anyone else…. we believe in freewill…a gift from God.

            “i bet you support abortion, gay marriage and felons owning guns.”

            You’d lose your bet…..

            “like old daveh, you selectively pick what rights, free will or freedom others may have.”
            And you base your conclusions on what? You obviously don’t personally know me or Dave. The last time I checked, you weren’t amongst my list of friends and acquaintances. So, where do you get off judging me or anyone else here? You haven’t got a clue about any of us, our lifestyles, our beliefs or our sense of morality.
            The only thing you bring to the conversation…is your lame opinions…and around here, that won’t even get you a cup of coffee….let alone any credibility.
            Opinions are like @ssholes, everybody has one…some people have two…You should probably stop talking out of yours…….before you have to clean up the mess….

          • rbrooks

            lol. looking in a mirror while you sell your lies?

            you are just another of the motley fools that post your opinions presented as facts. you judge others while complaining about being judged? really?
            well, you proved me right.
            you force your morals and beliefs on others. you selectively pick what rights others may have. you do not support freedom. the constitution. or the bill of rights. you and old davey are the same.
            self serving, selfish and self absorbed.

            who granted you the right to take away anyone else’s right to free choice. free speech. free will.

            your lame opinions are are no better than any others.
            you should try a different methodology.

            the one you and davey are using is not working.
            btw- i already figured i was the only that had the means to buy coffee or dinner.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            I am not worried about TODH lack of God. What he chooses to be is not my concern?

          • rbrooks

            can you say the same for all of the others?

        • JeffH

          rbrooks re-baits his hook…still no bites!

          • Average_Joe56

            Someone is having a bad day at the fishing hole ;)
            I think he may be blind in his “Right” eye….and can’t see those no votes running away with his bait……”Left” eye dominate.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Isn’t that what both parties have been telling us for hundreds of years and this Utopia is not going to happen in our lifetime or our progeny’s lifetimes.
      Care to tell us why Politicians as soon as they are elected become changelings.

  • trugrits

    So sad the American people think anything spoken against our glorious government is being non patriotic. Also sad is all will wonder what happened when this once great nation crashes. It is only holding on by a very thin thread from crashing.
    The libertarian movement will never get the chance to save this country. Because the movement is the American people which by our own government taxing their money away has not near enough money to buy an election away from the posers.
    If only the people could use the same tactics as the government uses to spy on our every action then we could see how politicians become millionaires from lobbyists. Which is why we are where we are today.

  • Guest

    “…limiting the terms of Representatives and Senators to just one, with no

    The limiting of terms was intended to be based on the people’s vote. If
    you think a Senator or Representative is performing badly, or has become corrupt
    from being privileged; don’t re-elect them… simple as that. If the 17th
    Amendment was to be repealed (and I think it should be), making the State
    Legislature responsible for selecting the Senators, then a one term limit might
    make more sense.

  • TML

    “…limiting the terms of Representatives and Senators to just one, with no

    The limiting of terms was intended to be based on the people’s vote. If
    you think a Senator or Representative is performing badly, or has become corrupt
    from being privileged; don’t re-elect them… simple as that. If the 17th
    Amendment was to be repealed (and I think it should be), making the State
    Legislature responsible for selecting the Senators, then a one term limit might
    make more sense..

  • Sic Semper Tyrannis

    Amerika is ripe for invasion by the Russian and Chinese armies when we do indeed collapse. Many Christians have seen this in dreams and visions including yours truly. Many Christians have seen Amerika’s imminent civil war and martial law, the persecution of Christians, foreclosure signs on church doors, massive earthquakes, tsunamis, and even nuclear destruction of cities. Like many other Christians including the recently deceased pastor, David Wilkerson, my wife was even shown by the Lord the destruction of New York City by earthquake and tsunami. Many Christians have also seen the destruction of Chicago when Lake Michigan will literally cause a tsunami. The Mississippi River will become the Mississippi Sea after the Madrid Fault Earthquake, permanently separating the United States. Much of the State of Florida will be wiped off the map completely under water and Atlanta, Georgia, will become beachfront property. On the West coast, the city of Seattle will be attacked with nuclear missiles and a massive earthquake will put much of the western part of the US underwater permanently such that Phoenix, Arizona, will become beachfront property someday. Evil must be judged or Almighty God is an almighty liar. Judgment comes first to the Church, which allowed this to happen. The pastors have stood back and remained silent with their sugar-coated poppycock sermons, refusing ever to criticize the evil in government, refusing to do anything that might jeopardize their 501(c)3 status, preferring to please Man instead of God to keep their coffers filled. The pastors have refused to protect their flocks from the creeping tyranny. They have refused to acknowledge the evil in Israel’s government which had a hand in 9/11. Many pastors and Christians, while paying lip service to God, worship the country, the military, Israel, and the GOP; these have become their idols much to the Devil’s delight. There is no spiritual discernment in their churches – just brainwashed sheeple idiots like themselves. Many Amerikans and Christians will not know what hit them when the bottom falls out and the government eventually starts to hunt them down. They ignorantly still cling to their lunatic belief that “GOD WILL BLESS AMERIKA”, but God has NEVER BLESSED EVIL and never will. When they come for the pastors, it will be too late to speak up; God’s Judgment will already be at the door.

    • Dave

      China! LOL… Why would they destroy their gravey train? They are doing a fine job of ruining this country through their economic manipulation and our willing cooperation by greedy corp interests and their bought politicians in the GOP and democratic parties.
      Please check the religious hocus-pocus at the door too.

      • Sic Semper Tyrannis

        China has to lay claim to our vast natural resources Obama is not allowing us to develop by fiat. We have vast quantities of shale rock in the Midwestern US, enough to even surpass Saudi Arabia in oil production by leaps and bounds. This quantity would make the US the biggest oil producer in the world. DO YOU THINK THE CHINESE WILL JUST LET THIS ONE SLIP BY, especially if we start WWIII with Iran, their number one oil supplier to please the evil Zionists who are running this US government with their whores in the District of Criminals and their complete control of the banking and media sectors?!? With Obama, Clinton, and the Bushes in our White House, it’s likely a slam-dunk deal that they have already negotiated this as collateral for default on our debt the Chinese have been funding for quite some time now. “The fool in his heart says there is no God.” – Psalm 53.

        • Dave

          Do you know who got all the oil contracts in Iraq? I will give you a hint… Its not the United States… you know, the country that invaded and occupied the country so Iran has a stonger hand in the region.

          • TheOriginalDaveH
          • Dave

            I think there is pressure to consolidate currencies and economic power in many corners of the world after the Euro was created. With the information age being in full swing and the global economy being such that is is very easy for corporations to become global in scope, the consolidation of currency may be an inevitability. Ghadafi was tring to facilitate that is the muslim world. Western Banksters like to control as much of the world wealth as possible There will also be pushback on this movement from nationalistic elements who see their currency being a symbol of their national soveriegnty. Maybe DaveH, Mises may end up being feasible… If the world moved to one currency and the nation-state changed to a one world Gov represented by regions, then your Mises theories may be able to work. But that is a big if and the idea of having a single world Gov is a very scary proposition for may reasons.
            I guess we will see what happens over the next 40-50 years.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You jest, right Dave? One-world Government and Austrian Economics are polar opposites. Leaders and their Propagandists (e.g. Dave) would love to sell you Folks one-world Government. If you think its hard to unseat the Politicians now, wait till they sucker you into one-world Government.

            How Dave wants you readers to be:

          • Dave

            Yes, Dave more lies even though I said the idea of a one world Gov is scary for many reasons.
            DaveH you are a serial liar and propagandist.
            In order for your Mises theory to work, you need to have a self contained model with the same political and economic standards so that the true form of free market capitalism can work. They are not polar opposites, Mises talks about examples within America in the self-contained model during the early 20th centuries.
            Today, we have a true global economy and I would explain it to you if you knew what that means.

      • Sic Semper Tyrannis

        Dave, enjoy the 1st Amendment while you still have it, and I will continue to enjoy it and use it until my last breath. Did somebody force you to read my post??? If I can give you any words of encouragement, you are going to do just fine when they institute martial law. In fact, I think you’re going to enjoy it when they come to arrest the likes of me and so many others and shut us up for good.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Dave will suck up to whoever offers him the most advantage over other people.

          • Dave

            LOL… The irony there is delicious.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    What they HATE:
    They HATE Bible, because it exposes their wickedness, perversion and degeneracy

    They HATE the U.S. Constitution, because it hands RIGHTS to People and RESTRICTS power of the power and money hungry politicians

    They HATE guns in the hands of the people, because they are FEARFUL of People

    They HATE small independent businesses and farmers

    They HATE responsible self-relying independent people


    They HATE Homeschooling and Christian Schools, because they can’t indoctrinate children by their propaganda & brainwashing and thus have control over them

    They hate BABIES and therefore are supporting INFANTICIDE

    They HATE the Internet because they HATE the First Amendment – the FREEDOM OF SPEECH and of the PRESS – and Internet became the “We the People” PRESS, where People spread and pass on the TRUTH and information, which the WHORE media is hiding or distorting and twisting
    The ruling class applying the Freedom of SPEECH ONLY for themselves and the Freedom of the Press ONLY for the WHORE media, who is spreading their propaganda and falsehood

    They HATE natural and alternative medicine because they are in the Big Pharma packet

    What they LIKE
    They do like hard working People money
    They do like PERVERSION and DEPRAVITY
    They do like PRIVET PROPERTY only for themself
    They do promot INFANTICIDE
    They do like WARS, because they want to control and dominate other nations
    They are dreaming to establish the NWO
    They are worshiping to Satan and preaching Alinsky’s gospel

    What will be their END
    “Then the devil, who had DECEIVED THEM, was thrown into the FIERY LAKE of burning sulfur, joining the beast and the FALSE PROPHET. There THEY WILL BE TORMENTED DAY and NIGHT FOREVER and EVER…15And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:10, 15)

    “COWARDS, UNBELIEVERS, the CORRUPT, MURDERERS, the IMMORAL, those who practice witchcraft, IDOL WORSHIPERS, and ALL LIARS—their fate is in the fiery lake of burning sulfur.” (Revelation 21:8)

    Maranatha! Our LORD Jesus comes! Amen!


    It’s begining to look like a 2 million man march may be needed to attract the attention of our elected governments in order to regain our representation, the longer we let them walk on our backs make government more unaffordable and drive you toward poverty with horribly bad policy, abuse of law and mandated unseen laws that border on edicts, the more these overpaid, extravagant slugs will continue to abuse their obligations and trust…
    Is it civil disobedience to demand representation, institute term limits no retirement for all elected and appointed government officials or repeal the progressive taxes and defund the IRS in order to regain a budget, stop over spending and control the tax rate by a ballot driven national sales tax, to put a end to all government unions in order to re-pare the size, scope and cost to have a manageable government and stop the intrusion? If this is called civil disobedience or dissent, then I say, What are we waiting for?

    • Sic Semper Tyrannis

      I was at the September 12th TEA Party in 2009 in the District of Criminals that drew some 1.5 million people. Yeah, we had a march, too. Only Faux Noise and CNN covered it sparingly. The intention of the CFR/CIA-controlled propaganda media is to not cover these big events, so they can control the message and nullify the opposition – the ol’ out of sight, out of mind. The GOP just saw it as an opportunity to exploit the masses to regain power in 2010, a year later. Any legitimate movement of the People must not allow ANY politicians with D’s or R’s behind their names whatsoever to speak at their meetings. We have to develop a mindset that both parties are CRIMINALS in the District of Criminals, guilty of HIGH TREASON. They have already indicted themselves by the policies they support and their refusal to investigate the most unlawful President in the history of ANY nation on Earth and their refusal to ever properly investigate 911. Our problem is too many Amerikan sheeple still have not yet educated themselves with their steady diet of Zionist Neocon propaganda lies on MSM and Talk Radio. These Alices in Wonderland are all about to become Alices in Underland. As Bob points out, it really is too late now for Amerika. The eagle carcass is already being eviscerated by the Zionist vultures.

    • Sarah417

      There is already a march on Wash,DC July 15. Go. This march on the 15th is being organized by Blacks because Amnesty for illegals will hurt the Blacks more. Go. Don’t just sit here on the Internet and tell people what they should and should not do. I’ve been to Wash,DC many times over the years and will go again and again until someone listens.
      The first thing that has to happen is to get as many incumbents out. I saw where there is going to be a recall on McCain (D-Az), Flake (R-Az) and now Rubio (R-Fl). Get rid of McConnell, Graham, Shumer, Pelosi, Reid all the cronies. Fill these positions with constitution believing people and then after that we’ll go from there.

      • rbrooks

        think they will have luck recalling mccain (d-az)? should be interesting to watch that.

  • David

    Why the venom spewed against lawyers? Some of the Founding Fathers were attorneys. They have been some of our heroes — e.g., William Barrett Travis. It is not the profession, it is the person.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      That’s true, but as they say — “S___ floats to the top”. It isn’t that Power creates corruption, rather corrupt people seek Power.
      Those lawyers who are good people (and there are many of them) are just less likely to seek that Power.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The character of the people was different in spite of them being lawyers.

  • Nadzieja Batki

    Why does the two party system look like a dysfunctional family, in which the Daddy is a Republican and Mommy is a Democrat and never the twain shall meet.


    WH Insider – Obama Openly Weeping: ‘They’re Going To ImpeachMe’…

    (Before It’s News)

    Does Barack Obama already know his fate? According to this story from Conservative America Online and a White House ‘Insider’, Obama has even been talking with his friends about the ‘I’ word. Barack has NOBODY to blame but himself if impeachment comes to fruition. He was given a mandate to bring ‘change’ to America and he merely brought us Bush’s 3rd and 4th terms, endless wars, drone strikes on innocent children, and continues building something resembling a ‘police state’ in America.

    Even mainstream liberals are now calling for Obama’s impeachment now as shared by Christopher Greene in the video below.

    A White House insider claims that Barack Obama has confided to friends, “They’re going to impeach me.”

    That’s the revelation coming from the Globe which also claims that a distressed Obama “can’t eat or sleep” and “has been walking the White House’s halls at night, bizarrely staring at the portrait of Abraham Lincoln for inspiration.”

    According to the tabloid, an “inside source” claims; “Numerous times his aides and friends have seen him openly weeping” and Obama “is petrified that he will have to resign in disgrace or be thrown out of office in disgrace.”


    • TheOriginalDaveH


    • JeffH

      “That’s the revelation coming from the Globe”? Uh, the Globe is one of jopa’s favorite rags…hmmmmm!

  • Sarah417

    Obama received about 62 mill votes. 11% less than 2008. Romney received about 3.3 mill votes fewer than Obama. 2 Million Americans did not vote for reasons unknown. There was a multitude of voter fraud. American families making less than $30,000 a year (Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, women collectively) put Obama over the top. Romney received significantly more votes than Obama from white males and independents. America did not elect Obama. He barely got elected. The Democratic Party absolutely needs, needs the Hispanic vote. If the Immigration Bill fails the Democratic party will be a memory. You must call your congress people and tell them to strike down the Immigration Bill. It must not pass.

  • GrannyAm

    am not talking about impeachment as the Constitution gives that job to
    the congress. Does anyone believe that a Democratic controlled Senate
    is going to even bring impeachment proceedings. The congress polices
    The Senate by bringing immigration forward now rather then
    after the midterm election opened a small window for the American
    citizens to take control of their government. They by their vote are
    representing citizens of other nations. The Senators are voting against
    the best interest of the people they are sworn to serve. It is this
    action that opens the door for American citizens to bring action at
    their local level. Big things can start at the local level (Arizona’s
    Sheriff Joe Arpaio).
    There is no law that prohibits American
    citizens from bringing action against their US Senators. It would take a
    few people in their local district to start an action against their US
    Senators. A few American citizens in their local district bringing
    action against their US Senators DOES NOT evoke government overthrow.

    Any number of districts per state filing actions equals a very loud voice, one that The House US Representatives will hear.

    Voter fraud, protests, media will not stop the charges against the Senators.

  • Average_Joe56

    What can we do? Ben Swann…watch, subscribe….support :

    Get involved…..SHARE!

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    A young man from Kenya lectures O’Homobama on the importance of upholding and appreciating the African Value System, because during his first stop in Senegal the DEPRAVED and PERVERT propagandized his homosexual “values”

    The young man says that the Bastard wouldn’t have been born if his father, Barack Sr, was a Gay

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Judge Jeanine Goes Nuclear On O’homobama listing all his LIES and Scandals

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Obama’s Top General: Hero or Traitor?
    One of the highest ranking military officers in the US is under investigation for allegedly leaking top secret information about a cyber attack on Iran’s nuclear program, according to reports.

    Or he is a new scapegoat?

  • bogbeagle

    Talk of reform … but, you can’t polish a turd.



    Obama’s legacy. History will not be kind to the Muslim Brothehrood stooge in the White House. Imagine, Obama sent Morsi 140,000 canisters of tear gas. They won’t soon forget…



    Approval Of Supreme Court Falls To Historic All-Time Low…

    The U.S. Supreme Court finished its term with big decisions on voting rights, affirmative action and same-sex marriage. Following those rulings, public approval of the court has fallen to the lowest level ever recorded in more than nine years of polling.

    A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 28% believe the Supreme Court is doing a good or an excellent job. At the same time, 30% rate its performance as poor. That’s the highest-ever poor rating. It’s also the first time ever that the poor ratings have topped the positive assessments. Thirty-nine percent (39%) give the court middling reviews and rate its performance as fair.

    – See more at: http://redflagnews.squarespace.com/headlines/approval-of-supreme-court-falls-to-all-time-low#sthash.BSFe8TUy.dpuf

    • Dave

      Jay, what are you complaining about.

      The Supreme court just cleared the way to take out voting booths in heavily minority districts like TX tried to do in 2010. Conservatives like that sort of thing.
      Is it the same-sex marriage deal? Tell you what, you don’t like same sex marriage? Then don’t marry a guy. See? Problem solved.

  • BHR

    Obama is doing every thing he can to control the people and businesses. He is a tyrant and definitely a psychopath. Obama lives in fairy land with all the gays
    and illegal Mexicans. People are getting mad when they finally realize what Obamacare is doing to America. The middle class is going to disappear. It is really sad that most politicians and police have to have power and control over people.

  • Jane

    I am 80 and find that my friends know all this but too lazy to write, email or call their Congress people. My grandkids straight A students in top notch colleges don’t even know who the VP is and they vote. It scares the heck out of me but when I try to talk to them I am talking to a stone wall. Look at the street interviews, only the older people know what is going on the college kids know where the next keg party is and could care less about our country. Unless we reach them we are doomed.

  • Jane

    WHAT WE NEED IS A PROTEST ACROSS THE COUNTRY NOT TO PAY ANY TAXES, if we did something in mass we might be able to accomplish something.W also need some big rallies in DC like the Tea Party had in the past. Look what they accomplished. People that follow the news on the mailstream media don’t get the truth but they do get the message when they see millions rallying against the government. WE NEED TO STICK TOGETHER the bum in our White House is scared silly of us getting the word out that he is a socialsit, giving our country away day by day. I am 80 and went to a rally in DC and it was awesome. I try to get my Tea Party people to start something but they seem to have given up. We need this people!!!!

    • DollarBill

      We need a march on Washington like the Egyptians just did!We need a MILLION OR 2 people to rally in DC until Obama and the CONGRESS and Senate are all RUN OUT OF THE COUNTRY.Then we can ELECT PROPER politicians to run our country with TERM LIMITS.Same will go for the SUPREME COURT(NO LIFETIME MEMBERSHIP).

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Educational Video: USA Constitution thru history
    Can the American People change Washington D.C.?
    The lying Government Act of 1871 exposed.

  • Oliver_K_Manuel

    The death of our once great nation began in 1945, as noted in the message sent today to members of the Committee on Space Science and Technology of the United States House of Representatives:

    The United States House of Representatives
    Committee on Space Science and Technology
    Washington, DC, USA


    RE: Open Message on the Corruption of Science:
    The Destruction of Inalienable Rights of Citizens

    Concern for our increasingly unstable society and for those trying to prevent it’s violent eruption by destroying basic constitutional rights of citizens would benefit from your active investigation and support, if confirmed, of one indisputable fact

    1. Supported by the best available scientific measurements and observations on rest masses, abundances and half-lives of atoms and elements in the Earth, the Moon, the Sun, meteorites, Mars and Jupiter;

    2. Consistent with the spiritual teachings of every major religion; and

    3. Hidden from the public after 1945 out of fear this information might be used to destroy life on Earth by nuclear annihilation:

    The core of the Sun is a pulsar that made our elements and gave explosive birth to the Solar System five billion years (5 Gyr) ago. Its source of energy – neutron repulsion – is the same energy that vaporized Hiroshima and Nagasaki on Aug 6 and 9, 1945 (and frightened world leaders into forming the United Nations on 24 Oct 1945 to save the world from nuclear annihilation). The Sun’s core is made of neutrons (n). An expanded neutron form – hydrogen atoms (1H) – pours from its atmosphere. Hydrogen and Helium are by-products of the production of solar energy. The most abundant atom in the Sun, iron-56 (56Fe), is the most stable combination of neutrons and hydrogen atoms. Other mixtures of neutrons and hydrogen atoms comprise every atom in the Solar System, as shown on the front cover of the Proceedings of the 1999 ACS Symposium on the Origin of Elements in the Solar System organized with help from the late Nobel Laureate Dr. Glenn T. Seaborg:


    Half-life measurements at Purdue suggest that other than gravitational, electrical, nuclear and magnetic force fields invisibly connect every atom to the pulsar and to each other over vast regions of space (greater than the combined volume of ten billion, billion Earths) that filled with debris from the explosive birth of the Solar System five billion years ago.

    Our fate and Earth’s constantly changing climate depend entirely on the pulsar that government scientists hid from the public after 1945.

    Copies of this message will be sent to individual members of Congress and to others concerned about the tension between US citizens and the US government, the corruption of government science, and the loss of basic constitutional rights of US citizens.

    With kind regards,
    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Imnvestigator for Apollo
    PhD Nuclear Chemistry
    Postdoc Space Physics

    • Joel Macejak

      You MUST be smoking the cheap stuff, because your post is some of the weirder s**t I’ve read here !!

  • 99%er

    Prediction: The next election will produce a new party called something like The American Constitutionalists Party, and they will win by HUGE LANDSLIDE MARGINS across the board in EVERY CORNER OF GOVERNMENT, permanently breaking our dysfunctional 2-party gridlock and sweeping the parasitic elitist parties out to the trash heap where they belong. They will BE a government BY the people, FOR THE PEOPLE once again. And, if we’re very lucky, maybe some of those booted out of office will even be indicted for treason. Now THAT would be JUSTICE!

    • DEH 1958

      Remember voter fraud or amnesty? Something needs to be done to curb it or the progressive party will be the victor. Political correctness needs to be eliminated.

    • Irish1025

      The only way these “gov.officials” will be tried for treason is before a military tribunal our courts and “justice” system are too infested with these communists.

  • jane


  • KittyKittyKit

    Daniel 4:17 KJV
    This matter is by the DECREE OF THE WATCHERS, and the demand by the word of the HOLY ONES: to the intent that the living may know that the MOST HIGH rules in the kingdom of men, and gives it to whomsoever he will , and sets up over it the BASEST of men.

    Ecclesiastes 5:8 KJV
    If thou see the oppression of the poor , and violent perverting of judgment and justice in a province, marvel not at the matter: for HE THAT IS HIGHER THAN THE HIGHEST “watches”; and there be higher than they.

    Romans 13:1 KJV
    Let every soul be subject unto the HIGHER powers. For there is no power but of God : the powers that be are ordained of God.

    3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil.

    4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But IF YOU DO THAT WHICH IS EVIL, BE AFRAID ; for he bears not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject , not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake

    In AMERICA, the Constitution abiding CITIZEN is the HIGHER POWER over those who do NOT follow the Constitution.

    WE THE PEOPLE, the LEGAL citizens, in AMERICA hold the CREATOR as the HIGHEST AUTHORITY in the land.

    The Declaration of Independence, and the United States Constitution DOCUMENTS are 2nd HIGHEST in rank.

    3rd HIGHEST in rank is, and are, WE THE PEOPLE; the Constitutionally LEGAL CITIZENS of America.

    LAST is the 4th HIGHEST in rank, the “hired and elected citizens” we placed in government jobs, the LYING TRAITORS who swore an oath to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States against ALL ENEMIES both foreign and domestic.

    The 4th HIGHEST have become a TERROR to GOOD works. That is EVIL.

    The 4th Highest is doing EVIL

    If you DO that which is EVIL, be “afraid”, for the HIGHER POWER, Power No. 3 in rank, bears not the weapons for no reason.

    WE THE PEOPLE are the “ministers of God”, a REVENGER to EXECUTE WRATH on “them” that do EVIL

    WE THE PEOPLE are the RULERS who are NOT a terror to “good works”, but we are a TERROR to the ones doing EVIL.

    The HIGHER POWER to be obeyed is THOSE who PROTECT AND DEFEND the Constitution……….NOT the ones who “talk the walk” but do not “walk the talk”.

    That’s why there is a HUGE PUSH to disarm the American CITIZENS because the EVIL DOERS cannot reach the depths of their EVIL as long as the CITIZENS are armed.


    READ “THE PLAN” and pass it on as fast as you can………. time is sooooooo short.

    There will be NO 2014 Primary at all, unless the seemingly enthusiastic and patriotic, but OBVIOUSLY “mindless” Tea Party folks in America stop with the “political” arguments for now, and STAND UP like you have Constitutional RIGHTS while you still HAVE Constitutional rights.

    NONE OF THESE OBAMANATIONS CAN HAPPEN OR STAND if the people we PAID and ARMED to protect and defend the CONSTITUTION will step up and do their jobs and TAKE DOWN the DOMESTIC ENEMIES.

    WE CAN DO THIS, PATRIOTS!!! WE CAN DO IT WITHOUT HAVING TO FIRE A SHOT!! But the ONLY way we can do it is if we step out TOGETHER, as outlined below.

    If we don’t do THIS, Patriots, then America is taking her LAST DYING BREATH and the we will soon hear the FINAL death rattle in her throat as she PERISHES while we did NOTHING BUT TALK!!!


    READ THIS PATRIOTS………THEN TALK TO EACH OTHER AND ACT!!! We cannot count on the majority of police to do their jobs……..we have to step up and do it, AND WE CAN!!!

    We The People don’t have to put up with ANY of this nonsense if we just BAN TOGETHER and “become” The United States Constitution Police Force, and WE THE PEOPLE will do what all police forces, combined, are NOT doing. WE THE PEOPLE will PROTECT and DEFEND the Constitution of the United States of America from ALL ENEMIES both foreign and (especially) DOMESTIC.

    WE CAN DO THIS “OVER-NIGHT” without having to fire a shot or acting like we’re overthrowing the government.

    TYRANNY cannot take place if Americans, all 80 MILLION or more “hunters”, will STEP OUT TOGETHER, just like on Opening Day of hunting season. FULLY LOCKED AND LOADED.

    Do it THIS TIME (because we are OUT of time) on Tuesday, August 6, 2013, at 9:00 a.m. EST (6:00 a.m. PST)

    The ONLY DIFFERENCE this time, is, WE NEVER TAKE OUR GUNS OFF AGAIN. We wear our guns as EVERY DAY APAREL, just like FREE America did in the 1800’s.

    We will NOT go about KILLING each other or trying to OVERTHROW the government. The purpose is to keep the government from OVERTHROWING the CITIZENS.

    The GOOD CONSTITUTIONAL COPS will support our CITIZEN’S ARREST of ANY cop or politician, trying to DISARM law abiding American CITIZENS, by cuffing them and taking them to JAIL where they will be booked, arraigned, and scheduled for trial on the charge of TREASON for actively engaging in the OVERTHROW of the U.S. Constitution by trying to enforce UN-LAWFUL ORDERS overriding the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 10th, amendments that have NEVER BEEN REPEALED and therefore are STILL the law of the land.

    We’re running out of time, folks. Send this message to all you know on Facebook, Twitter, e-mail, phone calls, and personal conversations.

    We can have our country back in a HEARTBEAT and without having to fire a SINGLE SHOT or engage in overthrowing the government.

    This is LEGAL ACTION that we can ALL take and MUST take TOGETHER.

    There’s 80 MILLION of us and only 6 MILLION of them TOTAL, and 3 MILLION of their six million will JOIN OUR SIDE if we step out together.

    That leaves a “puny” 3 MILLION against 83 MILLION of us. NO GOVERNMENT can overthrow its CITIZENRY if its CITIZENS are CARRYING their guns on them everywhere in PUBLIC. Criminals of ALL ILK would be FOOLS to take us on.

    By the way, my name is Thom Raasio, and I will be running as a “write-in” candidate for President of the United States in 2016, if I survive that long.


    We can point fingers and place blame on each and every politician, But truly we need to begin with OUR news media. News was first created to keep the public informed of what was happening in Washington and what the politicians were doing. In fact, used to a reporter took an oath before starting out in their field to protect the common interest of the people and to report the news TRUTHFULLY! Well, just take a look @ what has happened to that agency over the past 60 years. They have all been so infiltrated with the socialist progressives in this country, that now the news media is used to report disinformation for the politicians, so as to keep the American public jaded to the real TRUTH! The majority of the news outlets have done nothing more than sold themselves as WHORES to the powers of Washington and the wealthy and corrupt politicians.
    Before this country can begin it’s rebirth, we must first clean up and fix our broken news media. We must take the socialist indoctrinated of their species and tar and feather them and send them out on a rail.

    • Irish1025

      And I would add this…..Remove all “journalists” who are from MSNBC!!! Start with them 1st!

  • dicksi

    With a President in the midst of seven serious scandals and facing a declining public approval rating, the Republicans have a tremendous opportunity to make serious gains in the upcoming mid-term elections. What is the Republican response? Republicans are in the midst of angering their base by trumpeting Democrat causes like amnesty for illegal immigration and daring grassroots conservatives to form a new party. In their craze to lure Hispanic votes, Republicans may very well lose the votes of white conservatives who are demanding border security and not amnesty.

  • damiclees

    I feel now is not the time for a third party. Whatever we think about the republicans needs to be put aside until after 2014. We must stand united at this time more than ever or anything after this election may not matter.

    The only way the progressive agenda can work is if we surrender our liberty willingly and that is a slow and tricky process. This has been going on for over 100 years and they will never stop unless we stop them. Fortunately for us many of them are very impatient. All people need to do is know that they exist, think like they do and the plan reveals itself even in the most innocent things that you would never think about. We may have enough people awake now just in time or it may be too late. I guess we will find out soon enough..

  • RightGunner

    A Fortuitous Opportunity
    Bob, We have a fortuitous, for us, opportunity at this moment. The current NSA leaker has provided a very easy to understand picture of the size of the surveillance state existing in the United States, under approval of Congress. In addition it is clear to most, that Congress cannot control either its continued growth, or its secret actions.

    The few military officers recently outed is an example of what exists and how it can be used. By extension it is clear that anyone can be targeted, including any citizen, any organization, as well as the government itself, the Administration and its members, the Congressmen and Congressional staff, the Supreme Court Judges and staff, and State Governments including State Judges.

    Since no one knows who has “approved” access to the information, or who else may be able to get access such as the recent Leaker who proved he was able to get a top secret court order and release it, it is a fact there is no control. Whoever has such access has committed a coup on the country, being able to character-assassinate anyone in power, as well as being able to fall back to more drastic action when all else fails, such as actual assassination.

    The opportunity is to use the realization of this “end of the Republic” situation to bring together the liberals, the middle of the roaders and we conservatives, supported by the press which is also just as vulnerable, and turn the country around to refree itself and us from the police state, of which total surveillance used to be their dream, but today is reality because of the advancement of technology. Technology advancement cannot be stopped but adhering to our Constitution, understood in its original form, can set us free if we recognize where the underlining needs to go.

  • US Army (retired)

    Our Founding Fathers knew that the real reason for the Second Amendment was to protect the rights secured by the other nine! It has nothing whatsoever to do with hunting or target shooting. It has to do with the defense of our God-given rights! While we won’t convert some of the misguided die-hard leftists, the more we quote this statement, the more we can wake up the sleeping sheeple and bring them to our side.

    The Second Amendment exists to protect the other nine!

    Learn it, memorize it. Post it. In fact, ALL of the first ten amendments exist to put chains on the GOVERNMENT, not on the people! That includes the First Amendment and the so-called “establishment clause.” The 1st Amendment says “CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ….” It doesn’t say “the people” are to be constrained. The Constitution and Bill of Rights have force of law; Thomas Jefferson’s private letters don’t, so the misapplication of his letter to the Danbury Baptists is not proper grounds for curtailing religion in public life and the teaching of certain fundamental morals, which is what we’ve abandoned.

    Our Bible tells us that in the last days there will be many false prophets, and there will be much tribulation. Keep your eye on the target. God is still in His heaven and still in charge.

    Remember the end of the story; we win eventually.