What About the Roads? The Folly of Socialism

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By their fruits ye shall know them. Do [men] gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. — Matthew 7:16-18

Whenever people talk about anarchy, the two straw men arguments that people present are: “What about the roads?” and “What about the poor?” Generally, liberals use a number of logical fallacies when talking about free markets. They love to use arguments that appeal to emotions such as: appeal to pity, appeal to spite and wishful thinking. On one hand, they assume that they are correct, because they view themselves as the most virtuous people. On the other hand, they think that free market proponents are evil and selfish, but they don’t present any proof for these assumptions.

Hence, we end up with the popular tactic called the false dilemma, which essentially boils down to some argument “what about the …” and using that appeal to excuse the violence. In these state religions there is no real contemplation; rather any argument or appeal is used to excuse or initiate violence against those who do not agree.

As anarcho-capitalists (ancaps) we reason that the initiation of violence is morally wrong. Furthermore, if a system is created and enforced with violence, it is necessarily evil, no matter what its stated ideals. Social safety nets and charity that rely on violence, theft, laziness and dishonesty are evil. If such systems are evil, how much good can you create with evil?

Stop Aid And Institutionalized Charity

Most of what passes for aid and charity is a state-run con job that steals money and gives it to the people administering the system. In many cases, the results are extremely negative; it destroys the lives of the people that it is trying to help.

The most egregious example of this scam is international aid. Or, as Doug Casey so eminently said, “Foreign aid might be defined as a transfer from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries.”

To further define, first the money is stolen from taxpayers in a “richer” country and then is “given” to a “poor” country. They cannot actually use this money, and the money almost never enters the country (usually siphoned off by that government that people keep saying we need). Rather, they are forced to buy services and equipment from the donor country that they do not need or cannot use — usually further distorting the economy of that country. A few years ago, I worked on a project involving European foreign aid and a few African countries. The money came from European taxpayers, but most of it ended up at an American University and at the private consulting company of a lecturer at said American university.

For a while, it looked like most of the money would end up there and with a few multinational IT companies. I know someone who pointed out these facts to some of the donors; it caused a minor diplomatic incident. In other cases, foreign aid is used to dump grains in poor countries. When that happens, it pushes the price of grains to below their production cost. This forces more farmers to stop farming. Usually, the grains rot or are used to produce cheap alcohol. So International aid is a scam deliberately created to make the sheeple feel virtuous, steal money and funnel it into politically connected businesses.

All of the stolen money being forced into charity has become profitable for narcissistic do-gooders as it prolongs the problems they are claiming to solve. In the worst cases, NGOs are either fronts for intelligence agencies or lobbyists. In the late 90s in South Africa, a lot of foreign NGOs arrived and set up shop. The problem was that they were lobbyists. At a critical time, they were able to influence a lot of laws or, more importantly, the interpretation of them.

Government Involvement In The Economy Never Helps

Johannesburg still has a big problem with murder, and most murders are done with unlicensed guns that were dumped by foreign governments during the various wars.

Due to the action of the magical-minded anti-gun brigade, it is now almost impossible to own a gun; and if you use one and kill in self-defense, you go to jail for murder. Another big scandal during the early 90s involved money donated by the Swedes to anti-apartheid campaigners; most of the “aid” helped a small-time politician live the life of a rock star. In the worst cases, the aid money was donated to violent criminals who loved killing people and putting bombs in public places. In more benign cases, NGO money is used to give spoiled rich kids time to slum it in Third World countries, giving all of their valuable life experience to the poor. Those are the lucky ones. Most people who work for charities are in fact slave laborers, doing all the hard work while the directors and managers live the life of ease.

End Welfare…To Help People

Another social safety scam is welfare, known colloquially in the United Kingdom as “the dole.” Besides the moral issue, where money is stolen from hard-working people and is given to lazy f**kwits who have never tried to find a job; the system does not work. The state is essentially incentivizing and paying people to become poor. Due to the bureaucratic incentives, it actually pays more to be more in debt and have more children and never get a job. The net result has been a massive increase in poverty within the U.K. Yes, everyone can afford to eat and watch reality television for the moment, but there are large parts of the country functioning like the dystopian future of Idiocracy. It is the one of many major failings of the anti-individual and anti-freedom concept of democracy, that those who live off welfare and have never earned an honest cent in their lives, are actually encouraged to vote. It is no surprise that nothing actually changes, particularly when the parasites outnumber the productive (as they currently do in 11 of the 50 States in the U.S. where there are more on welfare than who have jobs).

When anarcho-capitalists mention the problems of the state enforced monopoly of welfare, they are accused of being heartless; those who accuse us of being greedy have not even spent five minutes contemplating ethics. They just want to feel secure and self-righteous without the discomfort of self-examination. How can it even be called charity when the money is stolen under the threat of violence?

So are there any free-market, voluntary alternatives that encourage capital formation and help the poor?

Free-Market Solutions

Of course. There are actually several: Some are not known; others get more bad publicity.

One of my favorites is called a stokvel; it has a long history in the place of my birth, South Africa, and was very popular during the apartheid era, as many people could not open bank accounts. It is a type of informal, invitation-only investment club or rotating credit union. It generally needs more than 12 members to function. In its simplest form, members contribute on a weekly, fortnightly or monthly basis. At each meeting and on a rotating basis, a different member receives all of the contributions. They are free to use the money for whatever they want. Besides the financial aspect, the stokvel operates like a support group or a home church. The members are friends and family; the meetings have a social aspect where they eat drink, dance and sing together. It is almost like a church, but not like this kind of church in the United States (You won’t believe what you see in the video below.)

Thankfully, things like that don’t exist outside of the United States (or on a much smaller level).

But with stovkels, few people steal from the members. The best part of this system is that it works without banks, and the members are able to leverage much greater amounts of capital.

Another free-market alternative is grouped under the umbrella term “microfinance.” Essentially, these are relationship-based banking and financial services for those who do not have access to banks. Through the financiers, poor or nearly poor people have access to loans, savings, insurance and fund transfers. By using these services, a “community” is able to leverage greater amounts of its own capital. By using the capital to expand their business, everyone becomes richer. The lender earns money by lending his savings to responsible people, and the borrower is able to expand his business and earn more money. Everyone gets richer, which puts more money in the community that can be used for further expansion.

People are poor because of a variety of reasons. One reason that is rarely mentioned is that without capital, it is extremely difficult to start new businesses, which are used to leverage the local resources (and why TDV often features tremendous business opportunities in foreign, developing countries). By pooling local capital together and keeping the free-market incentive of profit, even poor communities can bootstrap themselves to greater wealth. Unfortunately, a lot of these hero financiers are depicted as loan sharks in popular culture (run by the financial elites).

Thanks to the Internet, most people are familiar with similar business models. Thanks to sites like Kickstarter and Indiegogo, the crowd funding model has become a very popular method to create start-ups. People with ideas can use a site’s platform to create a campaign to find funding. If they meet or exceed their funding requirements, they receive the money. Those who contribute will receive various rewards based on how much they donated. Unfortunately, due to the success of this model, the state and patent trolls have gotten involved. They will eventually legislate it and litigate it out of existence (or herd it into the Bitcoin economy).

Keynes: Destroy Savings For Prosperity!

One of the fallacies promoted by the Keynesian consumerists is that savings are harmful to the economy, because the money sits in the banks and does nothing and, therefore, the gross domestic product (another macro-economic fallacy) does not grow. Anyone with a little knowledge of fractional reserve banking will know that this is patently untrue. With more free market models, previously mentioned, poor or nearly poor communities can concentrate and leverage what sparse capital that is available to them. By following profit incentives and providing a useful good or service, these entrepreneurs will enrich their own lives, the lives of their customers and the community. Forced charity has the opposite effect; no one grows wealthy, except the people prolonging the problem. The time preferences of the recipients shortens and capital within the community is misallocated, resulting in greater impoverishment and poverty. Besides, stealing money at gunpoint and giving it to others is, to any thinking individual, just wrong.

(As part of Darth Monti’s save Italy plan, a lot of stolen money was forced into a start-up fund in the south of Italy. They are now having trouble finding where all of the funds were sent; only the state can turn a winning business model into a vehicle of theft and corruption.)

–Alexander Jousse
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  • KG

    Stephan Molyneau, a youtube celebrity in the libertarian world, summed up what I had been looking for in explaining the mindset of Anarcapitialist and Libertarian proclivity towards Authoritarian, Fascist, and dictatorial types of governing. He said “…it’s NOT about ‘freedom’, it’s about MORALITY.” Suddenly, as if scales sloughed off my eyes, I realized what the L and the AC were doing – declare you own morality then tell everyone else how ‘immoral’ they are. But the question remains – WHOSE MORALITY??? I mean Adolph Hitler had ‘morals’. Pinochet had morals. Mussolini had morals. Idi Amin had morals. So whose morals are we talking about? As for helping the poor, why not use the man who represents Western Societies basis for moral thought –

    Luke 14:12-13
    King James Version (KJV)
    12 Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee.
    13 But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind..

    Matthew 19:21-26
    King James Version (KJV)
    21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
    22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
    23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
    24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
    25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
    26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

    • Blank Reg

      “I realized what the L and the AC were doing – declare you own morality then tell everyone else how ‘immoral’ they are.”

      This is something that religions have been doing for thousands of years. And if you prefer the Jesus myth to other ones, you are free to attempt to enter his “kingdom” by selling everything you own and giving it all away to those less fortunate, no one is forcing you…

      …which is the point…no one is FORCING you to make those moral choices, and you and you alone will reap rewards/suffer consequences for those choices.

      What apparently you failed to grasp from the works of Molyneux et al is that the only “morality” they preach is that of non-initiation of violence as a means of achieving one’s political, social, or economic goals.

      “Governments”, as instituted for the last 6000+ years, regardless of form or function, have been essentially institutions of violence that grew out of protection rackets, which were in turn an inevitable result of human societies moving from hunting/gathering to agriculture and animal husbandry. Stuck on the farm, as it were, there was no easy escape from roving bands of marauders, who quickly figured out that if they “protected” a set boundary of territory against other marauding bands, they could convince the farmers that if they only gave up a percentage of their output each year, they wouldn’t all be killed. And from from that violent arrangement came government and taxes.

      “Democracy” isn’t any better. Now everyone has a shot at being part of the winning marauding band, who will then turn the guns of government on the “losers” and say “do things our way or we’ll hurt you.”

      The Molyneux’s of the world only want to point out that this method of doing things isn’t working out too well, as 200,000,000 killed by their own governments in the 20th century alone might attest. Government is nothing but a violent parasitic creature that would drain the host dry rather then give up any ground. This is why Jefferson suggested that every generation or so the Tree of Liberty needs to be watered with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants. We are long overdue.

      • speedle

        Amen brother. Well said.

      • Quester55

        Blank, are you speaking of yourself or your Communistic Master?
        As for the rest of your Lies, you can’t have it both ways. You stick up your nose at Faith in Jesus & his requirements that those that follow him & God’s teachings on Charity, saying how were a bunch of fools for believing in God!
        However, If you ever get a Flat tire in the middle of nowhere I just bet your Not going to refuse a ” Helping Hand “, from a stranger, when you find your spare tire is also flat!!
        What about the CHARITY shown after a Natural Disaster? or did you think that the AMERICAN RED CROSS, charges your sorry butt for hot coffee & warm food ?
        Bet your never turned down a free handout in your miserable life & then you TRASH those of us that have FAITH IN JESUS, by willfully mixing the meanings of Biblical Charity, with American Welfare!
        i just Pity you HYPOCRITES, when you Fall on Hard times & need a Handout or a hand up. Your collective PRIDE, will never Stand for it So many of you Commit SUICIDE, because you Have no hope or FAITH in anyone beyond your nose!

        • vicki

          Do not worry overmuch about his refusal to believe in God. He has described the essence of morality. No force except to defend. All of your examples, and all of the examples from Jesus are of people individually CONSENTING to help strangers.

          Having government use force (see list of examples in the OP) to make others pay for YOUR pet charities is not the way of Christ and is not likely to please God when you step forward on your day of Judgement

          • Quester55

            Too bad you Don’t know the Truth, and are running your Moth without Awareness. I HAVE NO PET Charities!
            I Give only as MY LORD JESUS Directs me to Give!
            I Don’t Relay on preachers or Outside forces to tell me where to send any money, Nor do I do so in Public View.
            however I do have a Forgiving Nature 7 forgive you for your Nastiness, and Assumed Lies.

          • vicki

            And I shall return your gift by forgiving you for blaming me for accusing you of supporting government taking money at gunpoint for welfare and a bunch of other social programs that it has no authorization for.

            I used your rather than some other word because these comments are read by far more then just you. So if you are not supporting government theft (obama care for instance) then I apologize for the confusion.

      • Quester55

        By the way BLANK, ” this COUNTRY IS NOT A:”Democracy”, as you Fail to understand, the United States, WERE, HAS BEEN & ALWAYS Will be A ” REPUBLIC “!! That Democracy B.S. Got Started by Leftest Propaganda, Nearly 100 years ago!
        Look at OUR PLEDGE of ALLEGIANCE & It’s Words, for this TRUTH!!
        ” I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag Of The United Stated of America, & to the REPUBLIC for which it Stands, ONE NATION(under GOD was added later) INDIVISIBLE, With LIBERTY & JUSTICE FOR ALL! ”
        These are the Words that YOU SOCIALISTIC/COMMUNIST want to REMOVE along WITH OUR INTERNATIONALLY HONORED FLAG!
        And if you don’t like it, You can Leave this Country And Don’t let the hood hit your sorry Butt, on the way OUT!!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          I would rather that your kind join with the Liberal Progressives in leaving this country so we can get back to the real concepts of Freedom that many of our Founders died for.
          People like you, Quester, make religious people look bad, and most of them don’t deserve that image.

      • KG

        I see, you must agree with JJ Roseau’s assessment that Civilization began when Ogg, the cave man, put a fence around a piece of land and convinced everyone that it was his. What’s funny about this assessment is that it’s almost the same origin story that Marx uses. In a sense, it is the most absolute conservative position. That there was a time in the ancient past when Mankind lived in a sort-of paradise that wasn’t corrupted with social constructs. Tell me, in this ‘fantasy’ land, who did people go to when they got sick? Oh, they took care of themselves! No wonder why some of these people figured out that this ‘paradise’ was actually a living he77. Gee, maybe we do need some civilization to ensure that the Human race survives.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          One long non sequitur.
          You make no sense, KGB. That’s why your ratings are typically thumbs down.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The “foundational philosophy” according to KGB, a man who advocates Socialism and Communism which have been proven failures throughout history. So my question would be — Since they are failures, proven by experience to impoverish the people with benefits only to the Leaders, why is KGB pushing their agenda in the US? He obviously doesn’t really care about the poor. The only answer I’m left with is that he is either incredibly ignorant (and he tries his best to present otherwise) or he is a Shill spreading misinformation and Propaganda, for the Leaders, to deceive those people who haven’t made the effort to learn reality.

          • KG

            You are right about one thing. JJ Rouseau wasn’t exactly as “foundational” as a Plato or Socrates. But it does reflect on your inability to see the real issue here. Communism is not a ‘perfect’ system. Neither is ‘free market’ Capitalism. These two systems, rather than present an economic solution, really just frame the language to express certain Ideals humans have about economic and moral conditions. One sees the Entrepreneur as a demi-god incapable of performing harm in his relentless pursuit of ‘Profit’. The other sees the Worker’s sweat and blood as the real creator of wealth. In reality, the Entrepreneur need the Laborer as much as the Laborer need the Entrepreneur. One cannot exist without the other. Yet one of the ‘classes’ has throughout history been at the mercy of the other. In the days of Slavery, many people were simply born into a privileged life as well as being born into a life of servitude. But Men have come along to question this arrangement. Are slaves any less human that their Masters? Do Slaves have less human needs that Masters? What at first seems like a G-d ordained condition of live reveals itself as nothing more than a man-made construct that benefits one group at the cost of another.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            One of the classes has been at the mercy of the other only because people have bought into the lie that Government (and people like you, KGB) are here to help them.
            The real life experiences of citizens in Socialist countries have proven that.

          • KG

            Well, it’s quite obvious that you are only here to help yourself to whatever ego inflation you enjoy. That’s OK. I get a kick out of it too! Government is not a ‘lie’, nor is it an ‘evil institution’. However, Men do lie and run institutions as well. I think it really boils down to the first question asked in the Bible –

            Genesis 4:8-10
            King James Version (KJV)
            8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
            9 And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother’s keeper?

            Are we to completely depend on ourselves or are we actually all brothers and sisters in a common struggle to deal with this “shared hallucination” known as Life? It would seem to be the latter, for the former implies an awfully lonely existence. What say you, bro?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I say you are double-speaking, KGB. On the one hand, you ask that people act in mass to support each other, but then on the other hand you want to give the Power of those decisions to a small group of individuals.
            There is only one fair and equitable way to conduct human business, and that is to let each individual conduct his own affairs. Voluntary cooperation. Each person has the natural right to control his own body and property. You can lecture them all you want, KGB, but you have no right to make their decisions for them even if you have the biggest gang in the land.

          • KG

            You are right, Dave. I wonder if we could determine every single connection an individual has with society and to completely sever them from everyone else? Then you could claim total individual choice. Do you think that’s possible? ….or profitable?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More double-speak from KGB. Individual choice does not in any way imply isolation from other members of Society.
            It simply means that controlling people, like KGB, would not be allowed to make your choices for you.

      • KG

        I see, you must agree with JJ Roseau’s assessment that Civilization began when Ogg, the cave man, put a fence around a piece of land and convinced everyone that it was his. What’s funny about this assessment is that it’s almost the same origin story that Marx uses. In a sense, it is the most absolute conservative position. That there was a time in the ancient past when Mankind lived in a sort-of paradise that wasn’t corrupted with social constructs. Tell me, in this ‘fantasy’ land, who did people go to when they got sick? Oh, they took care of themselves! No wonder why some of these people figured out that this ‘paradise’ was actually a living he77. Gee, maybe we do need some civilization to ensure that the Human race survives.

    • Bill

      KG Kinda Gullible
      You are talking too many of your med, maybe you should back off on your dosage

    • Bill

      KG Kinda Gullible
      You are talking too many of your med, maybe you should back off on your dosage

    • vicki

      There is indeed ONE morality and KG references Jesus’s teaching quite well and intentionally or not totally misses the point of both The OP and Jesus.

      All of Jesus teaching is based on individual commitment to God. Not the taking of wealth at (government) gunpoint. Force is NOT the way of Christ. Welfare by government edict is basically handing weapons to the money lenders in the temple rather than throwing them out of the temple.

      Individual CONSENT is the key. The solutions the author proposed are ALL based on the consent of the small groups involved.

      First Principle:
      “God gave us 2 gifts. Life and Free Will.
      How we use those gifts, and how we honor those gifts in others
      is how we SHALL be judged”

      (Use “your Creator” instead of God if you prefer. The principle still applies)

      Using the above principle you can analyze what is really moral and what is not. The Libertarian platform is consistent with this principle. (www.LP.org)

      Kickstarter is a moral activity
      Welfare is not.

      • KG

        Matthew 22:17-22
        King James Version (KJV)
        17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute (pay taxes) unto Caesar, or not?
        18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
        19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
        20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
        21 They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.
        22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.

        Romans 13:3-5
        King James Version (KJV)
        3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
        4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
        5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

        • vicki

          When Caesers image is on wealth come talk to us. Until then you have no case.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      KGB says — “summed up what I had been looking for in explaining the mindset of Anarcapitialist and Libertarian proclivity towards Authoritarian, Fascist, and dictatorial types of governing”.
      KGB, you are a liar and a slanderer. Libertarians have no such proclivity. If they did, they wouldn’t be Libertarians. Libertarians believe that people should be in control of their own bodies and property as long as they don’t trespass physically on other peoples’ bodies and property. That means nobody else, whether they call themselves Government or not, has the right to control our own bodies and property. We are the antithesis of Authoritarian, and I’m sure you know that, KGB. You are just an evil Troll.
      For those who want to understand Libertarian Principles better:
      http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf

      • KG

        All you have to do is to look at ‘Libertarian’ ideas and see who in History actually used these ‘free market’ panaceas that never work but for the rich elites of a society. Yes there were times in American history where ‘free markets’ reigned, but as a common worker, these times were atrocious. Having to work 12+ hours a day just to eat while rich robber barons who made fortunes lived better than the kings of Europe by oppressing the poor through horrible job conditions and usury. While you may see yourself as a “Gentleman” who would never have to work with his hands, I have worked with my hands all my life. And I know from history what people like you advocate. The housing blocks of Sheffield England, the tenements of old Philadelphia, the railroad shacks of New Mexico – the places where the blood and sweat lives to produce the wealth you enjoy – THESE places are the home of ‘wealth’ in a capitalist society. And the longer people like YOU do not recognize that fact, Labor and management will be at war.

        Solidarity Forever!
        Si se puede!
        Revolution siempre.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Deer says — “All you have to do is to look at ‘Libertarian’ ideas and see who in History actually used these ‘free market’ panaceas that never work but for the rich elites of a society”.
          Pure conjecture, KGB, but I think you already know that, being that you are Shill who is not here to learn but rather to keep others from learning.
          The rich can only take advantage of people under the cover of Government. Without the Force of Government to back them up, they have no choice but to please their consumers or perish.
          With Free Markets, those talented workers who you support would be able to break away and start their own competitive businesses which, because they are staffed by those talented workers, would soon out-compete their former employers. Of course the reality is that many of those workers, who you think are the backbone of the companies, really aren’t and they know it or they would start their own companies and put their money where your mouths are.
          Those people, who are inclined to believe KGBs emotionally-based (and factless) comments, need to reserve their judgement until they read this article:
          http://mises.org/daily/2317

          • vicki

            Exactly right. in a truly free market there can not be a business that could (legally) force you to buy their product unless the government either supported them (the legal part) or the government provided the force (usually under the color of law. Obamacare being an obvious recent example).

  • Mith Radates

    KG: Semi-clever use of the “what about…” false choice fallacious argument. Just transparent enough to be a useful example of leftist sophistry,.

  • Bill

    The term “Shovel Ready Jobs” was just a term thought up by the political advertising machine to make you not feel so bad while you got screwed.
    Has anybody in the five years that Obamas been talking that trash seen any shovel ready jobs?
    What about the 70 billion dollar stimulus money? Does anyone know where it went?
    We are all just being BS’d

  • Bill

    The term “Shovel Ready Jobs” was just a term thought up by the political advertising machine to make you not feel so bad while you got screwed.
    Has anybody in the five years that Obamas been talking that trash seen any shovel ready jobs?
    What about the 70 billion dollar stimulus money? Does anyone know where it went?
    We are all just being BS’d

  • rbrooks

    the folly is reading story’s and posts from folks who have no idea what the word socialism means.

    almost as amusing as their belief that some rich guy would have built those roads for them to use.

    we have always been a socialist country.

    the way socialism has been applied could be open for debate. removing socialism will bring you the ‘third’ world economy you deserve.

  • Fay Guht

    Obama just gave billions to the African continent on his last trip. We have poor and underpriveledged, undereducated and hungry here. Try Obama for treason.

  • Nadzieja Batki

    stovkels and microfinance models work because the money received has to be repaid in good conscience even if repayment amounts are small. There is an incentive not to be a human failure, even if failure occurs the person doesn’t give up and sit on the pity pot for the rest of their existence or resort to sponging off taxpayers for the rest of their miserable existence.
    Since these models are not new something happens to people along the way that turns them in thieves and liars and cheats and backstabbers on the way to get prosperous.