Welfare For Terrorists And Other Outrages

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FBI Identifies Suspects in the Boston Bombings

Well, well, well. It seems the accused Boston bombers managed to swallow their disdain for all things American long enough to enjoy years of taxpayer-funded welfare benefits.

The media in Boston report that brothers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and their relatives collected more than $100,000 in benefits since their arrival in this country. The assistance ranged from “cash and food stamps to Section 8 housing,” the Boston Herald revealed.

And get this. The same newspaper reported that the Administration of Governor Deval Patrick tried to keep this information from becoming public, allegedly because of the need to protect “privacy concerns” of the accused jihadists. Sure thing, Governor.

Massachusetts authorities said that the Tsarnaev brothers stopped receiving welfare last year. So at least they weren’t on the public dole when their homemade bombs exploded near the finish line of the Boston Marathon, killing three people and injuring more than 200.

No one has explained how elder brother Tamerlan, clearly the leader of the duo, was able to afford a C-class Mercedes sedan and the fancy designer clothing he seemed to prefer, while at the same time qualifying for public assistance in Massachusetts. Or how he paid for a six-month trip to Russia.

It’s bad enough to learn that taxpayers paid for a significant chunk of the Tsarnaev brothers’ cost of living in this country while they were plotting to harm us. But it’s even more frustrating that younger brother Dzhokhar was in the middle of being interrogated by the FBI and willingly answering their questions, or so we’re told, when it came to a screeching halt.

It seems that representatives from the U.S. Attorney’s Office, along with U.S. Magistrate Judge Marianne Bowler and other officials, interrupted the questioning to read Dzhokhar his Miranda rights. It’s no surprise that once that happened, the accused murderer promptly stopped talking.

Prior to that, authorities had invoked the “public safety exemption” to the Supreme Court’s requirement that a suspect be read his Miranda rights right away. The exemption permits law enforcement personnel to question a suspect for up to 48 hours without informing him of his rights, if they have reason to believe there is an imminent threat to public safety.

Rudy Giuliani, who was Mayor of New York on 9/11, was one of many observers who was furious that the interrogation was halted. “This guy is kind of telling you about how he’s coming to New York and do a bombing in New York, a judge walks in and we cut off the questioning?” Giuliani said. “What are we, crazy?”

Representative Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, also blasted the decision to halt the questioning. He called it a “horrible, God-awful policy” that was “dangerous to the greater community.” He vowed that Congress would take action to correct the situation: “We have got to get to the bottom of this and we’ve got to fix it right now.”

Sure thing. In the meantime, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev isn’t talking. He’s been moved from Boston to a prison hospital at Fort Devens, Mass., where he will continue to recover from bullet wounds.

Another story making headlines is how many warnings officials in this country received about Tamerlan Tsarnaev before he set off his bombs. Intelligence services in Russia (where the older brother visited for six months) and Saudi Arabia (where he was denied permission to visit Mecca) allegedly sent us warnings that the older brother could be a potential problem.

We don’t know at this point exactly what the warnings said, who received or what, if anything, was done about them. (The Saudi embassy in Washington, D.C., has denied its government warned the United States about Tamerlan Tsarnaev.) But now that the rumors have become public, this story won’t disappear. In fact, it won’t be long before various Congressional committees promise to uncover “all the facts” for us. Stay tuned.

In the meantime, three of Dzhokhar’s college buddies have been arrested for trying to conceal evidence of his crimes. It seems two of them went to his college dorm room three days after the bombings and removed a backpack containing hollowed-out fireworks. Azamat Tazhayakov and Dias Kadyrbayev, both of whom came to the U.S. from Kazakhstan, are charged with conspiring to obstruct justice. A third friend, Robel Phillipos, was charged with lying to investigators about visiting Dzhokhar’s dorm room.

Obviously, none of the three friends will ever win a genius award. But then again, nothing we’ve learned so far suggests that Dzhokhar or his brother was very bright, either. In fact, it’s almost amazing to contemplate the destruction and panic these two would-be jihadists were able to cause with some recycled fireworks and hardware-store purchases.

Meanwhile, the boys’ mother, Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, continues to claim that the whole thing is a plot against her innocent angels by agents of the United States government. In a telephone interview with a reporter from CNN, she sounded like a demented jihadist herself, when she ranted: “If they are going to kill him, I don’t care. My oldest son is killed, so I don’t care. I don’t care if my youngest one is going to be killed today. I want the world to hear this. And I don’t care if I am going to get killed, too. And I will say, ‘Allahu Akbar.’”

Of course, this is the same person who was accused of stealing $1,600 worth of clothing from a department store when she lived in the United States. She fled the country rather than face her day in court and hightailed it back to Dagestan in Russia. I don’t think she’s a very reliable character witness. Do you?

More Washington Hypocrisy

If halting the questioning of an accused Muslim mass murderer isn’t enough to raise your blood pressure a bit, try this one on for size:

The Washington website POLITICO kicked up a furor a few days ago, when it reported that Democrats in Congress have been meeting “in secret” for several months with Republican leaders there, to figure out how they can exempt themselves and their staffs from Obamacare.

You may recall that during the debate over the healthcare overhaul, Senator Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) offered an amendment that would require members of Congress and their staffs to be subject to the same rules and regulations that would apply to the rest of us.

Knowing that exempting themselves would be a public-relations problem, Democrats at the time went along with the measure. But now that it’s about to become a very expensive reality, they want out.

Although Congress is in recess this week, House Speaker John Boehner’s office issued a statement acknowledging the report and declaring that this is the “Democrats’ problem to solve. [The Speaker] will not sneak any language into bills to solve it for them.”

Boehner spokesman Michael Steel said: “The fact that Democratic leaders want to opt themselves out of the Obamacare exchanges shows that Senator Baucus isn’t the only one who realizes the President’s healthcare law is a ‘train wreck.’ The Speaker would like to see resolution of this problem, along with the other nightmares created by Washington Democrats’ health law, which is why he supports full repeal.”

Of course, we all know that there’s not a chance of this happening anytime soon. In fact, we shouldn’t expect anything good to come out of Washington until and unless we can replace a whole bunch of Senators, and even a few Representatives, in 2014.

Yes, we have our work cut out for us. In the meantime, stay on guard. And keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood 

Personal Liberty

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • KG

    This article presents problems on multiple levels. One the one hand, you have people who have done terrible things; but, on the other hand, we have our Ideals as Americans as well. Shortly after WWII, both sets of my grandparents were living in public housing. However, they were able to get good paying Union jobs and eventually, they bought homes and started to live the “American Dream.” This is how “welfare” was supposed to work. Unfortunately, America also has a history of Racism as well as social rejection of people different from the ‘White bread and mayonnaise” world of the WASP.

    Thank G-d that they were read their Miranda rights. Maybe we might actually be able to collect real evidence instead of making it up. Don’t you see? That forces the police department to do their job. If you complain about Miranda rights, that just shows the Fascist intent of right-wing conservatives. You would be more at home in 1938 Italy that 1776 United States.

    • Stuart Shepherd

      You are a complete horse’s rear end. You support the interruption and destruction of the LEGAL interrogation of a terrorist gathering information to potentially thwart many other terrorist attacks just because your grandparents were (apparently briefly) living in public housing and got Union jobs?!! Unbelievable. You are the epitome of the entirely stupid spoiled mentality of citizens willfully (and gleefully, apparently) allowing our country to be COMPLETELY destroyed right in front of our eyes. You’re disgusting.

      • KG

        So, in your view, it would be OK if we lost our right to Habeus Corpus if it would possibly stop a terrorist threat?

        • runnindeer

          When a terrorist attacks American citizens it gives the American Government the right under Military law to interrogate that person. When the President of the United States and the so called head of the Justice Department decide to take it out of military hands and give it to local judges and a court , justice has fallen.

          • KG

            So, you would rather be summarily executed by a military firing squad than have your day in court?
            That just proves the fascist intent of your heart.

          • runnindeer

            You are a fool . I trust our country’s Military justice system ( or did until this current fascist administration began to trash it all to hell) to make the right and fair decision. Much more so than I trust the court system to gain the evidence needed to make this country safe.

          • KG

            Well, in the days of our Founding Fathers, you would be known as a Torrie, or loyalist to the Crown. It’s nice to know we have Benidict Arnold’s today.

          • Jana

            At least we know you stand with the terrorist of today.

          • KG

            Sorry, I’m a Democrat. The terrorists are in the Republican party. The only way they can get enough votes is to scare everybody.

          • Flashy

            Ummm..that would be known as a military coup and rule by the military. Yep…a true patriot (for whom is my question)

    • runnindeer

      May I ask why you put capital G but failed to spell the word God in your post above? Capitol G for the name of God but left partially blank so as not to offend?
      That statement “Maybe we might be able to collect real evidence instead of making it up”, sounds as if you are fully persuaded that American police don’t try to do their job and as if you think that the criminal Justice department under Eric Holder , with this current president at the top are actually trying not to suppress evidence? ” Good paying Union jobs and the “White Bread remark also show you to be totally bias in favor of this current administration and to be a racist.( White bread and mayonnaise wasp is entirely offensive.)

      • KG

        I’m glad it was offensive. I just didn’t want to offend G-d.

        • runnindeer

          You are an offense to God. Just omitting a letter is not being respectful to God. That is keeping the Democrats and those who are offended by even so much as reference to an All mighty Creator off of your tail.
          Just like our military under ( key word- Under) this current president ( note I used a small c for that term with him) has been doing everything in his power to keep any reference to or mention of God out of our Military and out of every walk of public life unless he uses it for public display in a photo op in order to appear to please and placate Americans who he still needs for a while longer.

          • KG

            How many times is g-d mentioned in the Constitution?

          • runnindeer

            News bulletin. We live in a country that is a Republic. We have a Democratic form of Government. British Torrie fought for King and crown. I fight for Liberty and justice for all Americans . Even those who actually think that by omitting a letter in the word God that they have shown respect for Him. Chillul Ha-Shem ? Do you think that you CAN harm GODS reputation by omitting a letter? The Great I AM doesn’t need that small help and as for your question about” how many times is God mentioned in the US Constitution?”
            The founding Fathers having experienced the harm and violence from past history and seeing what can and will be done in the name of religion didn’t use the name God in the Constitution. they referenced Lord one time because it was common English at that time in History. History also clearly shows that most all the Founding Fathers believed in a creator God and were Christian.

          • nc

            running deer; why is it so difficult for conservatives to understand that all Presidents must govern and protect equally ALL citizens ? Especially the minority groups who pay their taxes, break no laws but do not believe in God BUT ARE CITIZENS STILL!!

            The military does offer places where the members can worship as they please and does not, just like in public schools, forbid the members to pray silently to any God they choose! With all of that available why force feed them a message just so God can be mentioned? If god is as understanding as advertised he will know who to protect and why with or with out a god speech!

        • hippybiker

          Which God? I have a strong suspicion, you are one of Satan’s kids.

          • KG

            You know her name, look up the number…..
            John Lennon

          • Dirty Daug

            I still think you are NUTS or just a 10 year old kid having some fun.

          • KG

            Would a 10 year old kid even know who John Lennon was? Unless his parents were grandkids of some hippies.

          • Jana

            Actually MOST people( and I say most as there are some that are brilliant but we aren’t dealing with one here) from the Middle East seem to have a 10 year old mentality. It is destroy, kill, confuse or pervert.

          • KG

            Sorta like Modern Christanity.

          • Ringgo1

            Typical. Leftist nonsense, and not what John Lennon supported (Satan). Also, an apparently misogynist paraphrase.

          • KG

            You didnt know G-d was a crazy woman?

            http://www.principiadiscordia.com

          • Flashy

            To give credence that Satan exists, i.e. to be a Satan worshipper, one has to first be a christian since that is the only religion recognizing a Satan.

            Think about that…Satan worshippers are christian. Just a different sect of that religion…like Protestants, Methodists, Baptists, Lutherans, Mormons etc…

          • Ringgo1

            Not true, LIAR. Check out Islam; check out Judaism. We can see that your post is just another attempt to disparage Christianity. No credence to you.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          But you just did, KG.

          • KG

            Who says? No lighting bolts around here.Except for the ones Zeus drops. Of course, Arcturus is there to pick them up for him.

    • rhcrest

      Before Dead Kennedy’s horrible immigration legislation back in the 60s, people coming here as foreigners had to be sponsored by someone so that if the person needed help, they would not end up being a burden on the general public. And don’t try and tell me that is not true. My entire family came here from Italy in the 50’s and that was absolutely how it was. Now, anyone can come here from a foreign country and be a burden to the public with no problem. So that is surely the “American dream”of foreigners-to come here and live off the American taxpayer and with muslims the dream also entails blowing up said Americans into small pieces. KG, why dont you tell the Chinese or the Japanese or the Africans that they are racist countries? China is for the Chinese, Japan is for the Japanes and Africa is for the Africans but it is only America and Europe which are constantly shamed into accepting people into it who wish to destroy it. We are committing national suicide in the name of political correctness. And by the way that is a very racist comment

      • chocopot

        Dead on…

      • Irish1025

        Spot On!

  • KG

    What you call “trolls” are nothing more than people telling the TRUTH.

    • KG

      When you watch FOX, do you really think their opinions are facts?
      I remember as a kid watching the news and when the talking head was giving an opinion, you would see a little sign saying “Editorial” meaning that it wasn’t news, but opinion. If FOX did that, it would be burned into your screen like the ticker tape on the bottom.

      • runnindeer

        Of course you would try to fall back on the trusty remark that it is only” Fox news” that tells truth. You and every ridiculous liberal seem hell bent on marking Fox as being the liar when you are aware that your propaganda is just that. Propaganda. With so much of the liberal news bought and owned ( sold out to ) George Soros, you are just another tool for that fool who has far too much money and power to give one fat rats rear end about what happens in any country as long as he has fun playing his game and as long as he get’s more money and power from it.

        • KG

          Are you describing Rush Limberger cheese? It sounds like it.

          • Jana

            Keep your day job, you are NOT funny!

        • KG

          “trusty remark that it is only” Fox news” that tells truth.”

          See chocopot above.

      • chocopot

        Funny you should mention Fox, since that is the only news network that even attempts to provide facts and truth. I suppose you think watching CNN (the Communist News Network) and MSNBC (with lunatics like Chris Matthews) is actually news. Why don’t you check out the number of people who watch each network? Fox is number one by far because it is the only one that provides any real news. If you think CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and NBC are anything other than official parts of the left-wing propaganda network, then you are even more delusional than I already thought.

        • KG

          My grandpa used to buy all the pulp papers at the grocery store – you know – National Enquirer, The Star, etc. He said “You get news in there that you don’t get anywhere else.”

          And he was right. Learning about Batboy was an enlightening experience.

          • chocopot

            If you are trying to equate Fox to those scandal sheets, then you are truly delusional. CNN and MSNBC these days are pretty much like the National Enquirer, but there are people who actually believe that the tripe they pass off is really the news.

        • Flashy

          “Funny you should mention Fox, since that is the only news network that even attempts to provide facts and truth.”

          BWHAHAHAHAHA now THAT is funny ! That FOX is accurate fair and balanced (and is a news source) has been disproven so many times you really have to be making a joke…

          • chocopot

            Disproven? By whom? Left-wing crackpots like you? Now THAT is funny.

          • Flashy

            Ummm..there are more than a few studies and research articles which show those relying on FOX for their information are among the least informed. below even those who don’t rely on any source for their information.

            Easy to research…so go chew on that for awhile. BTW…ever notice once one is dismissed from FOX, the only job they seem to find is an extreme right wing rag or a pulp ? The road to purgatory in a news career is working for FOX.

          • chocopot

            You really are a joke. Making stuff up again, are you?

          • Bob666

            Chocopot,

            Take five minutes and google the CEO of FOX news. look at his background and tell us what you find.

          • Bob666

            No, there have been several university studies that show FOX viewers to be less informed. Look, they are easy to find.

          • Mike in MI

            AH-H-H HM-m-m-m-m, Boob666 –
            I assume you are talking about the ones, several(?) done by “universities” …. like, uhm, let me guess …

            Columbia,
            Darthmouth,
            Berkeley, and least but surely that last intrepid old rag-par excellence:
            The HAvid Lawr Review. Owned by none other than ….th-h,tr-tr-tr,upta,tum,,,, Da’ Wide ‘ouse.; (Well, whoo’da guest?)

          • Bob666

            Yo MI Mike
            Are you referring to schools that would not accept you?

      • Dirty Daug

        Maybe you should post your real name and address so you can be checked out to see if you are INSANE.

      • wavesofgrain
        • Mike in MI

          Oh c’mon, Waves –
          Even opinions and editorials are expected to have something more behind them ;than then gas from Bill Gates and MicroSoft Nutworks Bull Carbs … er-r, Crabs.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        When You watch FOX, and it appears that you watch quite a bit of it,you do believe that their opinions are facts. That is why you want the FOX facts to be wrong. You spend more time watching FOX and commenting on them than anyone else.

        • Jana

          Because he is so messed up from reading the National Enquirer, The Star, etc. that he doesn’t know the truth from fiction. That’s why he is a liberal.

      • Flashy

        KG….these folks get slapped in the face with the truth and facts every day…and deny reality every day. I mean c’mon..they support the recognized lunatics such as crazies Palin, Cruz, West and everyone to the right of Attila the Hun.

        • Irish1025

          A wise man’s heart inclineth to the Right! While a FOOL’s Heart inclineth to the left! I guess by your statement’s this means that you are a left-leaning liberal? Oh BTW that little nugget of wisdom come’s from Proverb’s in the Bible! look it up if you don’t believe me!

          • Jana

            Irish, Even Jesus advised to fish from the RIGHT side of the boat.

          • Mike in MI

            Jana –
            That’s because fishing on the left you only catch suckers.

          • Jana

            hahaha good one.

        • KG

          I just love hittin em with a “truth bomb!” My email fills up with all kinds of “BBBBBUUUUUUTTTTTTT!” as well as the occasional veiled death threat – “G-d is going to put you in Hell, an if if he don’t, I will.” <-a real response. I can tell a true christian by how much they want to kill me!

          • Jana

            Personally I don’t think you are worth the effort. I would rather let the Lord deal with you, and He will.

    • runnindeer

      Your truth. Not the truth.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      There are sites, Dem/Prog/Leftist ,that you can go to and you won’t be called a troll because you will comment from the same ideology as they are.

  • Peter

    This is very true Mr Wood, however I’m afraid BO doesn’t get the prize for “World’s Most Stupid Government Welfare Policies”, because we in Australia have already won that big time :-(
    We have a convicted attempted terrorist, Abdul ben Brika, who is currently serving time in jail with several of his acolytes for trying to blow up the Holdsworthy Army Base in a jihad attack they planed about 3 years ago.
    Now, ben Brika overstayed his tourist visa and tried to get asylum in Oz 3 times but was refused.
    Then he entered into a sham ‘marriage’ to an Australian muslem woman so he could stay here.
    Over the next few years he pumped out 7 junior terrorists.
    Then he planned the attack on the Army base, which was detected by the Feds and he was jailed, and is currently living in comfort with his own prayer room in jail.
    He has never worked one single day since he arrived here, and has been given welfare for his whole family (ours is far more generous than yours), free medical and dental, plus subsidised public housing that his ‘wife’ and junior terrorists are still living in!
    Up to the time he was jailed, he had cost Australian taxpayers over AUD $1 million in benefits!
    He is still costing us for his ‘wife’ and brats, plus the cost of keeping him in jail each year, which is about AUD $80,000!
    Sorry Chip, despite some of your best efforts, OUR government wins the ‘International Stupid Award’!
    Hands down!

    • KG

      I thought Australia was where the English put their terrorists?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Redefining words again, KG.

        • Flashy

          Nad…YOU and your ilk are the ones stating common criminals and murders are terrorists. KG is merely applying YOUR definition to the transports of Britain…

          • Jana

            This was just to ridicule.

        • Ringgo1

          It is an obsessive/compulsive disorder with this one, Nadzieja. Not only rewriting words, but also attempting to rewrite history. Typical.

      • speedle24

        You are probably confusing the UK with the old Soviet Union (where you derive much of your ideology). It is Lenin and Stalin that …um…”relocated” their “political” criminals in the famed resort area called Siberia.

        • KG

          Sorta like that Vacation spot known as GITMO?

          • BillHenry

            KG,
            Why don’t you go somewhere and start a strike for these folks. Like we probably ain’t giving them enough bennies. That’s more your speed ain’t it?. Either that or I’ll send you enough to call someone who really gives a hoot about what you think. Cheerio, mate.

    • runnindeer

      And some of the more libral in this country think that it’s just a darned shame that Buddist Monks in their own country which isn’t a Muslim country have now begun to fight back, even with being the most peaceful people in any religion. Islamist want world domination. If people have viewed the Science Fiction program Star Trek, they know of the Borg. This group is the Borg only much more sinister because they cover themselves and infiltrate society so much better.

  • Dirty Daug

    I believe that Obama had a hand in all of this with his being a Muslim. He has done everything in his power to keep this younger Boston Bomber from talking so as not to embarrass his Muslim friends. I think Obama should be a person of interest and should be investigated as we know nothing about Obama. Everything Obama does leads to more Muslims coming to America and these people have a different set of rules to go by than most other Americans. These Middle East people violate most every rule there is and nothing is ever seen or heard on the news.

    • KG

      Give one piece of evidence that our president, Mr Obama is a muslim.

      You hate him because he is the most christian president since Jimmy Carter.

      • rhcrest

        How about this old news clip from before the 2008 election where a reporter from Inside Edition went over to kenya where Obama partially grew up and interviewed people that knew him. They all say his name was Barry Soetoro. They have no idea about anyone named Barack Obama. The clip also shows his old school records there where his religion is listed as Islam and his nationality is listed as Indonesian. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY_Of1CKgXA&feature=player_embedded

        • KG

          Everybody knows that was a Hit piece. There is no real evidence besides some hearsay. Do you remember who sat 2 desks over from you in homeroom in 5th grade? I don’t.

          • rhcrest

            Sure it was KG. Whatever you say.

          • hippybiker

            Yeah, her name was Linda Green.

          • Judy

            Yes I do and Im 54 years old.

          • Ringgo1

            You don’t want to acknowledge the truth, so you disparage the evidence, then attempt to change the subject. Ha!

          • KG

            No, just dropping a few truth bombs into enemy territory.

          • Mike in MI

            Oh GOOD, Cagey –

            Then drop a few of those “truth bombs” on us that might divulge provable facts from his personal records. You know the ones we’ve been spending $millions on to make sure they’re absolutely unattainable? Certainly a primary reason, among many, could be that they would prove to disqualify him from being even a dog catcher supervisor.

            If he’s such a wonderful “christian” how come he votes for serial murders of living people in live birth “abortion” fiascoes?

          • KG

            Here is the second mention of abortion, or infanticide, in the Bible. Note that G-d didn’t see the need to have pro-life/antiabortion protesters:

            16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying,

            18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.

            So, if it’s OK with G-d when his son was born, what difference should it make today? Hmmmm…

          • Jana

            No Cagey, and that is a perfect name for you. Another perfect name is sneaky, liar and pervert. Blaming God for something that man did. You think up enough things in your own evil mind without blaming it on God.

          • Jana

            Poor cagey doesn’t know the truth.

          • Jana

            Enemy territory? Americans are enemy territory? More proof you are not an American at heart.

        • Jack

          Rhcrest:
          Your clip doesn’t say anything about. Kenya. It only deals with Indonesia.

          • Bob666

            Kenya-Indonesia, does not matter, they will say he was anywhere but Hawaii.

      • Dirty Daug

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        Where have you been for the last few years, even Obama has admitted that he will stand with the Muslim’s when all else fails.
        As for lying, everytime Obama’s mouth moves he is lying.

        • Jana

          Dirty Daug, He sure did. That was in his own words too.

        • runnindeer

          These simple minded tools refuse to see that fact. All they know to do is deny, blame and use their favorite fall back. Fox news or George Bush did it. they have been indoctrinated well in these schools. Obviously not taught – just made into mindless clones.

      • vietnamvet1971

        Laughing, WOW now that was a Good Joke, the most christian president. Glad you know how to spell the word (christian) cause you and O’ Bummer know nothing about a Christian.

        • KG

          Umm….tell me, where do you get this information? The last I heard was that only G-d has this information. Are you speaking for G-d? Can you look into a man’s heart
          and see what if contains? Are you saying that by just looking at someone
          I can tell his ultimate spiritual condition? I guess you must be Jesus!

          John 2
          23Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Festival, many people saw the signs he was performing and believed in his name.
          24But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all people. 25He did not need any testimony about mankind, for he knew what was in each person.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            An apple tree bears apples, a currant bush bears currants, an mulberry tree bears mulberries, etc., a Christian follows the Lord God. It may be because O is not a Christian that there is doubt and you are having a difficult time convincing anybody.

          • Flashy

            nad…which god? the Protestant one? lutheran perhaps? Catholic? Mormon? C of E? Old or New Testment ?

          • runnindeer

            Silly remark that. There are many doctrines of the same religion but only ONE God. That God is the Father of our Lord Jesus the Christ. Denomination means division but that one truth is certain. Each of those denominations hold to Christian Philosophy. The only people that I know who throws out the New Testament and uses the Old are Orthodox Jews. They worship the same God but deny Christ. Jews for Jesus are not considered Jewish by those Jews.
            Allah is a name for a God that is used to proclaim a higher place for Muhammad than for Jesus, who Muslims consider to be nothing more than a prophet. They use their distorted version of scripture to lie, kill, and do what they will to any and all except their own so called religion. There is no way that there can be Democracy under their sick system of distorted cultism.

          • flashy

            Catholics use the New Testament? And the neighbors on the road in my home town…home school their kids and refuse to see JC as anything more than someone who walked the earth and had a direct line to the Man. because there is but one god, and it ain’t JC nor is JC a lord or a savior etc. but neither the Catholics or mthose neighbors are “Christian” …. uh hu.

          • Jana

            I have many Christian Catholic friends. I also know some Catholics that do not realize that they are included in the Christian realm.

            God is the God of the Bible as runnindeer said. The whole Bible, Old and New Testament. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He is a standard.

          • nc

            Jana, what about that part of Mitt’s Bible about Jesus coming to Central America or New jersey or some the hell where with some more parts to the BIBLE(?) that Matthew, Luke and the boys missed?

            Where does the WORD end!??? With you or Mitt or Huckleseed or the Church of God up on the corner! Or the word of the Muslim book that begins with the same God of Abraham as the ole KJV of the First Baptist Church Salem, Alabama??

          • Jana

            Nc

            You have no foundation. Since you have no foundation
            in God there is no way you can stand on firm ground in any way. I feel sorry for you. The sad part of it all is the way you present yourself, you don’t want to have anything to do with God.

          • runnindeer

            Are you seriously trying to argue with me on this ? Yes, Catholics use the New Testament. Re read my post again ( if you read it entirely the first time). Mormon also use the Same Bible and they believe that Jesus is Lord.
            As for your idiotic attempt to try to sound smart, cute and to gain attention- you remind me of some cocaine junkies that I remember when I worked in Atlanta years ago. They passed by a church and thinking that it would be all fun and games they decided to play with the people who had to be so stupid because they were in church on a Wednesday night instead of out doing the trash that they were doing and having real fun. Wanting to show how smart and funny they were they decided to preach at the congregation and the ring leader of the bunch began to do his version of an evangelistic Christian. Before the next 10 minutes had run out that little man was on his knees crying and looking the complete fool that he was . These men were forgiven by MY Lord. They were forgiven by me . As for you, that is up to God and you. I don’t care what you post here or at me again. I am through with you! You need to hope there is no GOD( little boy) Because when you die- as we all will , you might be surprised .In which case you can just have fun in hell! NOT!

          • Flashy

            “The last I heard was that only G-d has this information. Are you speaking for G-d?”

            Are you? Got a local number you call ?

          • Mike in MI

            Flush –
            God can reveal anything He likes to His kids at anytime He likes and you can’t know it or do a stupid thing about it except gawk and squawk. Sorta seems like what you sound like now.
            Is Jana a “Super-christian”? Nope, just doing what Jesus Christ said believers could do in John 14:12. Now that’s supernatural, yes. But she’s doing what God intended … and even being very nice about it, too.

            Good on ya’, Jana. Proud to meet you at the awards ceremony, some day.

          • Jana

            Thank you Mike, same here. We will meet and be rewarded together.
            We will all go to heaven. We will all be judged. Some will be rewarded and some will be punished. I feel sorry for those who will be punished. But it is their choice.

          • Jana

            It’s so sad that you are so afraid to even say the name of GOD or write the name of GOD. If you truly knew the ONE TRUE GOD and loved THE LORD GOD you would know that the very book, the Bible that you quote but do not comprehend obviously is where you get this information.

          • runnindeer

            This person calling itself KC is only attempting to try to make people look foolish . It is a game to this kind. There is no reason in the sort of person who argues and trolls. and there is nothing in that one worth attempts to try reasonable conversation since it will only be the same childish silliness. Just ignore it and it will leave eventually. Or will bring in a few more fabricated names to post under and try to flame war as far as it can go. Most likely a student. Not necessarily a Jew but with some knowledge of same – probably fishing to see if others have that knowledge and faith. Most likely not much of anything except an agitator.

          • KG

            Nope, just a good ole American usurping the enemies communication lines.

          • runnindeer

            Liar! Neither good nor old. Probably not American. If you are you are just another idiot. A useless tool for what it’s worth. Through with you !

          • KG

            Tell me – when I say “I’m an American” how do I look like?
            That will answer your question.

          • KG

            Are you Christ? I thought He was the only one who could look into your heart. Gee, you must be some kind of Superchristian or something.

          • Jana

            Argument to ridicule, and a stupid one at that!

          • vicki

            John 14:12 (KJV)
            “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.”

            No need to be super.

          • KG

            Note that this is to the LAST church:

            14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

            15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

            16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

            17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

            18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

            19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

          • Jana

            You know KG, The more you write the more you identify yourself as probably coming from the Middle East and being from Muslim descent or even being a mediocre Muslim.

          • KG

            I’m a white, middle class, 20 year member of a union. The more you write the more I think you are a fat typical religious, right wing, nazi, but you THINK you are a “forgivin sinner in the eyes of G-d”. Jesus had a name for people like you. He called them “Vipers! Hypocrites!” as well as “whitewashed tombs full of deadmen’s bones.” I went to church for years until I had an epiphany. I learned what the “southern” meant in Southern Baptist and it made me sick. Then the Evangelical Christians, who for years called the catholic church the “Whore of Babylon” are now connected at the hip with all of the Catholics over Abortion. So, which one is it?

          • Jana

            Oh I believe you were a union member all right, and there are many ‘white’ Middle Eastern descent.

            You are the one who always brings up the Bible just like a good little Muslim. Are you practicing the art of
            Taqiyya?

          • KG

            Jana, why all the bitterness? I thought you had the “love of JEEEEESUS” in your heart? Jesus was BTW a “Middle Eastern descent” as well as an ancient Palestinian. He would be a “terrorist suspect” after throwing the money changers out.

          • Jana

            Jesus was a Hebrew, a Jew. He was not an ancient Palestinian. You need to know Biblical lineage. God was very careful to protect that lineage.

            I have no bitterness. I have left all that up to you. Go look in the mirror.

          • KG

            I say “ancient Palestinian” because his old stomping grounds were in ancient Palestine. Jesus was not as much a Hebrew as he spoke Aramaic. And ancient form of both Hebrew as well as Arabic. That’s why he’s accepted as a prophet in Islam. Besides he was too poor to be Jewish.

          • Jana

            He was definitely Hebrew, I know His lineage. As I said before God was very careful to protect that lineage.

          • Jana

            This is taken out of the Book of Revelation. Out of 7 Churches only 2 will make it. The rest God has ought against them. He tells them what He has against them, but it is not too late, they have a chance to repent, and change and come back to Christ and the Truth.

            God in His great love always gives us a chance to repent.
            And in His fairness, even those who have never heard of Him or had a chance to know Him, they will have a chance to know Him in the 1000 years of peace, aka the millennium. God is always fair and just.

          • KG

            So, when is the Republican party going to “beg forgiveness?” I mean, all they do now is kick people in the teeth when they are down. Jesus would probably be crucified, not for blasphemy, but for vagrancy.

            BTW, who did Jesus hang with? Not with the pharisees or the sadducees (or the modern day conservatives). He hung with other community organizers. As well as some smelly poor fishermen and a few prostitutes. I mean, Jesus was a cool dude. If he were here today, he would have been a Union carpenter. And Paul would have been a perfect BA for the Union too.

          • Mike in MI

            Oh, Cagey –
            WHY make it so easy?
            He’s the perfect welfare president: He has no evidence of gainful employment, never has had any. He has no evidence or records of education nor graduation. He can barely communicate publicly, sans teleprompter. He refuses to visit Work First. He lives beyond his personal means.
            He is known to have lived as a citizen in a foreign land and visited Pakistan when it was illegal for American citizens to go there while he lived in Indonesia. He has no United States naturalization documents. The Bible advises us to obey the nation’s laws we live under.
            He’s a pathological liar (spirit infestation) and was an extortioner while doing “community organizing” (again, S.I.).

            God expects Christians to own responsibility for the things one does in life and leadership. God never helped the administrations of kings or leaders who worshiped other gods or were evil, unless (and until) they changed to do what was right. He knows TALK is like a bird song (CHEEP, cheap, bra-a-a-pf).

            Obombus’ political policy support and advocacy are almost totally in contradiction against God’s principles and expectations. Oh-man is stealing money from people who share financially with organizations and endeavors God underwrites. This puts Oh-man in harm’s way with the Almighty. God won’t do anything to him, Himself. God just won’t help Oh-man. Not a good place to be if one seeks success.

            I could go on and on.
            Now, Nobody’s perfect. But, being so totally obtuse is usually an indicator… not of good.

          • KG

            Ummm… you forgot “….and hes a darky! He should know his place in gentle society and not usurp his owners.”
            So, what plantation do you work on?

          • Jana

            He is a human being KG who has made his choice to lead this country from behind. He is wrong for this country. You are the racist.

          • KG

            Lead from behind? What in the wide world of sports are you talking about? He put a cap in Bin Ladens azz as well as quadaffi (and Reagan is turning over in his grave over that one). He has, from the beginning, advocated for Universal Health care, the right of workers to collectively organize, and to improve Americas Image. Unfortunately, the republican traitors in congress have stymied his every move to actually help Americans get through this republican created great depression. Outside of being an outright traitor to your own country, I can only see the fact that he is half black and it THAT fact that upsets you the most.

          • Jana

            KG, Do you not read English very well? These are; his own words. These are his own tactics.

          • Jana

            Well KG, just because you do not comprehend what you are reading and you pervert the Word of God when you try and explain what you think you have read, I would NOT tell you I guess you must be Satan. However we have all learned what to expect from you. You are not easy to ‘talk’ to as you are not civil. You portray someone practicing the art of taqiyya and you don’t really do it very well.

        • Flashy

          yo Vet…so tell us..what makes one a christian? Which sect is the “correct’ one? Tell us since you appear to have a local number to ask your god about it …

          • vietnamvet1971

            I could tell you BUT you are in here to just tell us your Balderdash. Go ahead and call your god of this present Evil world (Satan) looks like you are doing a good job for him.

      • wavesofgrain

        He is not hiding his affiliation anymore…

        “”Obama: ‘I Am Not the Strapping, Young Muslim Socialist That I Used to Be'””
        http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-i-am-not-strapping-young-muslim-socialist-i-used-be

        • runnindeer

          The liberal media passed that off as a joke. It was done in order to try to discredit those who actually remember what he said long before he became president.

      • Liberty Lover

        However warped it is, nobody can accuse you of not having a sense of humor!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        What is a “christian president”?
        Jimmy Carter was not a Christian, KG, no matter how much you would like him to be.
        You are treading on stupid ground if you would believe that O is a Christian. There are people believing that O may be a pre Mahdi paving the way for Mahdi, and there are Pagans and the New Agers dragging out the old gods and believing that O is doing their will.

        • Flashy

          Nad..what makes a “christian”? is there some secret handshake or something? Who judges one to be “true” to the faith? If t is your god…then you’ve spoken to your god and he told you Carter isn’t a christian?

          What’s the test?

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Flashy,

            You write: “Nad..what makes a “christian”? is there some secret handshake or something?” So glad you asked. It’s really quite simple and spelled out in Scripture. I will step on Nadzieja’s toes here and welcome the opportunity to spread the good news.

            Hear the word of God preached. (“So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.” Romans 10:7; “Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus.” Acts 8:34)

            Believe that God is the Creator and Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, who died and rose after three days. (“Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.” Mark 16:16)

            Repent of your sins. (“And Peter said to them, ‘Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” Acts 2:38)

            Confess that Jesus is Lord. (“…because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.” Romans 10:9-10)

            Be baptized for the remission of sin. (“But when they believed Philip as he preached good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women”. Acts 8:12; “And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, ‘See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?’ And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.” Acts 8:34; “While Peter was still
            saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word. And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles. For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared, ‘Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.” Acts 8:44-47; Also Acts 2:38, Acts 10:48, Acts 16:15, Acts 18:8, Acts 19:5, Acts 22:16, etc.)

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Bob L., the toes were moved out of your way.

          • Jana

            Thank you Bob. Great great post!

          • flashy

            Ok…so you would support the contention Pres Obama fits your definition…

          • Mike in MI

            Flushy –

            Congratulations, Flashman, you just invited one of the best expositions of what the Devil goes to great lengths to try to avoid letting it get out. You did God a service, today. I really hope you take Him up on what He has to offer and like it says in Hebrews 11:6 “diligently seek Him”.

            Why? Because there are rewards that attend diligence in learning and doing, like it says. Why not collect a bunch?

            Bob L. – Wonderful!!!

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Flashy,

            No. Your question was “what makes a Christian” and I have explained how you become on. Your obligation to God does not stop there, as I’ve explained to you before. I would be happy to engage you in a personal correspondence to help you along, if you’d like.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

        • Jana

          Nadzieja, if I were you I would totally ignore flashy. You can give him answers and all he will do is ridicule. If he truly wanted answers that would be different but he doesn’t.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Thanks, Jana. I am getting to be an old hand in dealing with Flashy’s nonsensical comments.

          • Average_Joe56

            I have figured out, the best way to deal with Flashy’s posts….
            I vote them down…and move along…he isn’t worth me wasting any more time than that on him…and…it doesn’t give any reason for him to continue rambling…because, if nobody replies… his only recourse is to argue with himself…. ( I can actually picture that happening…with all of those alternate egos he has) Flashy does suffer from multiple personality disorder…along with a few others around here….oh…and he’s a TROLL!
            AJ

          • Jana

            ha ha ha and oh so true.

          • vicki

            But we like it when Flashy goes into argument to ridicule. It shows all the other readers the weakness of his positions and arguments.

        • runnindeer

          I see where you are coming from but Carter is of the Baptist denomination and when president he was pretty outspoken about his faith. Enough so that my Grandfather and Dad said they wished that he would decide if he was president or a preacher. I know Jimmy Carter personally. I don’t approve of much that he did as president and nothing since that time. ( Especially when he has decided to adopt views that coincide with liberal mentality to the point of exclusion of the Scriptures that he taught . )
          Jimmy came from a line of family that were farmers and planters. His brother Billy was a complete joke but I actually liked him better than Jimmy. Neither of them are the brightest bulbs in the lamp. Jimmy made a fool of himself as president and does so now to a bigger extent. He wins awards for the same reasons that Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize. Doing nothing . Just because he is there and has a big mouth.
          You nailed it about the Mahdi thing though. The Pagans and New Agers are not a real problem or threat to organized religion . In fact, organized religion has been more of a threat to them. I am speaking of the fact that Military people who fight for and die for America can not have a Pentagram on their head stones at Arlington. in my opinion that is not right. They earned the right to respect their wish’s and to accept that this is another form of worship. I am not saying it is good or bad. Just that in America they deserve equal treatment if they give their lives to defend us.

        • Bob666

          OK Nads,
          I really want to hear this, How was Jimmy Carter not a Christian. I know this is going to be good!

          http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/politicalcartoons/ig/Tea-Party-Cartoons/Tea-Party-vs–Reality.1-4t.htm

          • Jana

            We know them by their works Bob, also called fruits.

          • Bob666

            And you forgot nuts.

          • Jana

            There are definitely those out there aren’t there?

          • Bob666

            yes, and on this site, a mixed variety of both!

      • Judy

        Read his new book. When he openly states he stands with the muslims I think that pretty much says it all.

        • KG

          When I say ‘I am an American”, how do I look like? That will answer your question.

          • Jana

            A man from Middle Eastern descent. Probably a Muslim.
            The more you talk the more you identify yourself as such.

      • Jana

        hmmm, Then why do YOU love him so much if he is such a great Christian?

        • KG

          Because most “christians” wouldn’t know Christ if He bit them on the arse.

          • Jana

            And do YOU proclaim to know Christ???

          • nc

            Jana, do you proclaim to HEAR God? Really?? The First Amendment was written to protect those who proclaimed to know the will of God on how to run the country from others who proclaimed to know the will of God on how to run the country!! Christians from Christians not Christians from Non_Christians.

          • Jana

            nc, You bet I procalim to HEAR FROM GOD!. I hear from God every time I open the Bible and read the Word of God. These are His instructions to us.

            Just like it doesn’t take a genius to know that you and flashy and KG and a few others on here don’t know the Lord God, or understand the Bible, or follow the mandates of God’s laws.

            Why? Because every time you write what you think are your cute little comments, but they are really very revealing sacrilegious and irreverent remarks that open up exactly what is in your heart.

            John 1:1
            1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

            John 1:14
            14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

            Matt 12:36
            36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

            Matt 12:34
            34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
            KJV

          • KG

            When Jesus said Matt 12:34, he was talking to the RELIGIOUS people, not to people like me.That passage is more directed to YOU.

          • Jana

            hahaha He is talking to RELIGIOUS people that is true, not Christians.

          • KG

            Most “christians” are Religious. especially if you are here in this forum sticking up for creeps like Dick Chenny or Karl Rove (who BTW is a professed atheist). Christanity in America is so corrupt that I have a hard time telling them from gangsters. So, did you buy the “gift of the month” from that child molester Paul Crouch?

          • Jana

            I have never heard of Paul Crouch.

          • runnindeer

            Jack a$$ you don’t have the right to or knowledge to criticize , much less judge Christians. HIS word say’s “my sheep will know my voice and another voice they will not follow. ” You look for what you want to see . You find wrong in all that isn’t what pleases you personally. You have no heart for GOD. Period. That’s why you are here you are just playing here..

          • KG

            I have no heart for what Thomas Jefferson called “pseudo Christians” – people who CLAIM Christ, and yet act like little Hitlers. That’s the “voice” I hear – the voice of reason.

          • Jana

            You said you attended church for 20 years. It must have been a church similar to the one Obama attended with the Reverend Wright affiliating. No wonder you are so confused.

      • runnindeer

        His own words in his book. He said that he will stand with Islam if it came to the point that Islam became in charge of this country.
        The simple fact that he was educated by Muslim, in a family of Muslims. He has a Muslim Father and Grandfather and according to their law- he IS a Muslim.

        • KG

          matthew 5-5

          Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

          • Jana

            KG, That scripture has a special meaning. Can you tell us what it means??? Truly it has a two fold meaning.

          • runnindeer

            Out of context with attempt to make this guy seem meek. ( Meek means teachable by the way!) It doesn’t mean that if someone is meek they are willing to lay down and give up in peace and allow people who do not believe in Christ as more than a prophet to dictate to or take over the country.
            Any real Christian is someone that will not deny Christ. They won’t choose to praise Allah and Muhammad instead of the One True GOD! Jesus is LORD!

          • KG

            Yes. You chickenhawks who want to go to war with 2/3rds of the planet need to recognize what you are advocating. Despite bombing people with the most sophisticated weapons look where we are at. Truly, it is not we who are occupying these areas, but the true “meek” of the earth.

          • Jana

            Wow KG. Most definitely the more you talk the more you identify yourself as being from somewhere in the Middle East yourself.
            *You call a people who would teach their children to strap bombs on themselves to become suicide bombers meek?
            *You call a people who abuse little boys (we call them pedophiles) meek?
            *You claim a people who would condone beheading their wives meek?
            *You claim a people who would mutilate their women meek?
            *You claim a people who would rape and murder a group of people because they are Christians that live amongst you meek?
            *You claim a people that are always at war meek?

            By the way, this scripture means Blessed are the ones who are Humble before the Lord thy God for they shall inherit the earth. For when its all over and the ones who Love The Lord and have accepted Jesus Christ as their Saviour will have received their inheritance, God is restoring earth and we will be coming back here on earth. (in Spiritual bodies)
            We ALL go to heaven to be judged. For those who do not know God or refused to know God will stand on one side. For those who love God will stand on the other side. Everyone will get a chance to know God. God is fair.

      • BTeboe

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4BVdMYq0Yg Check it out KG or is KGB. There is nothing Christian about Obama – nothing.

        • KG

          ummm… that was when HE was being questioned about the ACCUSATION of him being a moslum. Talk about ‘cherry picking’ – that one takes the cake!

          • BTeboe

            I guess you can’t stand it when someone points out the truth. There was no cherry picking – he said ‘my Muslim faith’. I’m sorry if I upset your fantasy world.

          • KG

            So the Bible advocates genocide:

            Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
            — 1 Samuel 15:3

            Maybe Hitler read that passage?

          • Jana

            KG, Why did God tell them to destroy the Amalekites? There is actually more than one reason. Lets see how smart you are. Give us just one reason why. I bet you can’t.

          • KG

            Tell me why you think Mr Obama is a muslim? Because he is not. However, you seem to be a religious bigot who feels the need to “correct” everyone who is not doing YOUR will.

          • Jana

            Hey, you’re the one who keeps bringing up the Amalekites. You are the one who keeps bringing up the Bible. I guess it gives you a thrill. However, if you do I will answer if I am on here. Especially when its so obvious that you don’t know what you are talking about.

          • vicki

            Notice that KG offered no counter to the supposed cherry picked evidence.

          • Jana

            Why? Because that is your religion? The more you talk the more it makes sense.

  • rhcrest

    LOL! Little ugly trolls.

    • runnindeer

      If you are trying to put me into any ‘troll” suit you need to do a little home work and you will soon see that I post on many networks and never under another name but this one above. My post will speak for themselves. I am a Christian conservative- and tax paying hard working American born and bread Citizen who is posting on this site because I read it and want to speak. Registered Republican .Please try to grow up and learn to find out about previous post before you insult them.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        runnindeer, rhcrest was not replying to you.

      • rhcrest

        Oops scratch my previous comment. I replied to the wrong comment. No we are not on the same side if you are leftist

  • Capt. Jack Sparrow the 3rd

    So, Congress when are you going to Cut (Bribe’s) to the middleastern countries who don’t support US, and reinvest in America’s infastructure ? Oh, and Bring OUR troops Home, we should not be where we are not wanted and have to conform to their (Cult) Islam Polocies. Send the Muslim’s Home Now – All of them, including Ob, I’am sick and tired of hearing of (their Rights) what about Mine ?

    • runnindeer

      Amen . Well said. How do we send those who are born American citizens home when they are home is my thought on the subject. I have thought about it.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        This is a catch 22 for now or as I would say it is that you would be damned if you keep them and damned if you throw them out. What country will take them and it is doubtful if the country of their parentage would take them. What eventually may happen is that citizenship will be redefined and not given automatically because you were born here. We always close the barn doors after the horse runs away and that is how we base our policies.

        • Bill Henry

          This country has always been open to those who would come here. If it is a question of how we got here and displaced the native population, we have to understand how they got here and what their practice was. Before the Europeans arrived, there was a civilization based on a tribal system continuously at war with each other, over territory, property, and people for slaves. It was not the blissful existence that the brain washers in our school system blather to our children about. It was a firstist with the mostist style of life. When the Europeans arrived they were at a distinct disadvantage, as the population of Europeans grew and grew, they became the firstist with mostist, and gradually displaced the native populations. There were treaties of course, but most were broken, until we finally placed the natives on reservations on a system of welfare which was ill administered by greedy government agents. They were eventually offered a choice between reservation life or life in the European society. Neither was an ideal life style, but that was c’est la vie. We all face difficult life choices, especially if you are born on the bottom. My point here is this: If you are of European descent you have no reason to feel sorry about it, any more than a native American does. If they had had the technology and numbers that Europeans had, they would have certainly used them against the invaders and who can say what the outcome would have been? But, alas, that is also c’est la vie. I have both bloods in me so it is a never ending struggle for identity. I only know this. I live here and I am an AMERICAN, and a Constitutional one at that, and the way of life in this country in the past 230 odd years, is worth fighting and dying for, and the Constitution is our only means of protecting ourselves from the kind of life we will be living if this administration and its ilk take over this country. Our liberal friends need to look at the histories of the countries that have suffered under such regimes, and who did the suffering. There will be no freedom under the so called New World Order, and no peace, we will simply be another third world country, suffering under oppressive dictators who will micromanage everything we do. The rich will still be rich and getting richer, and the poor will learn what poor really means. Of course that too is c’est la vie, unless enough of us get off our duffs and do something about it.
          Non sibi sed patriae.

    • Irish1025

      It Absolutely infuriates me when these “bleeding heart” liberals scream about the criminal’s right’s and Completely ignore and abuse the victims rights! Why doe’s the criminal have more rights than us? I WANT Washington to tell me and the American people how these politician’s sleep at night! They must have no sense of right and wrong, or moral scruples. Time for us as Americans to flush the toilet that Washington has become.

      • Flashy

        Irish…care to show where there was a conviction? Until someone is guilty … there is a presumption of innocence y’know. Once convicted, Miranda goes away. But then, a trial by jry ain’t what you support is it?

        be open…you should tell us you are anti American instead of being subversive in working to bring this nation down

        • Irish1025

          flashy…..First of All These “men” are terrorist or enemy combatents, Second , The Miranda right’s are for citizens ONLY!!! Third…Enemy combatant/terrorist are tried before a military tribunal NOT in our Justice System! And You want to question whether I love my Country? I come from a military family had members of my own family to bleed and die for our freedoms,You had BETTER believe when the $#!t hit’s the fan I will not be the only one running to the battlefield! While you cower like a girl.

          • Flashy

            you can judge them as “enemy combantants” and say we should hold them out as candidates for martyrdom instead of common murders? really? you have already held trial and acted as judge, jury, and prosecution? heck…why do we need a trial system…just ask you right? Did the military capture them during combat or in another country? Should we hold as ‘enemy combatants” anyone who bombs an abortion clinic then and toss them away without trial or Rights observed ?

            So our Constitution applies only to citizens? Care to point that clause out in that document? is it your take that our Constituion applies only to citizens..and ot to all…despite the opening phrases of our Declaration of Independnce..which states in essence “All Men are Endowed with inalienable rights (i don’t recall any exception to that phrase…such as “All men …who are white, Christian, citizens and wacked out lunatics…)

            As for your being past military…that and a buck 65 will get you a Starbucks coffee. Seems you never got the hint in the military (if you really are ex military)… we have civilian rule in this Nation… soak your head in that concept for awhile …

            Now…what cause are you a patriot for? ‘fess up. ‘Cause it sure ain’t for America..

          • Flashy

            “who believes that the criminals rights supercedes the victims right’s”

            i believe everyone has the same Rights until judged by a jury to be guilty as charged.

            You, apparently, believe in something other than the basic foundation of this nation. So i’ll ask again…to whom are you sworn to fealty? it sure as heck ain’t America.

            it’s VERY clear you are an enemy of this Nation…a supporter of terrorism which seeks to bring us down.

          • FreedomFighter

            Allot of activity of unknown government agencies around Sin-Sin-atti lately, with equipment and patterns, some speculators say representing a search for nuclear or biological threats such as dirty bombs or biotoxin bombs. Of course eye witness accounts cannot verify the true purpose of the helios and strange men that say “move along nothing to see here”
            Heads up

          • vicki

            Flashy writes to Irish1025:

            You, apparently, believe in something other than the basic foundation of this nation. So i’ll ask again…to whom are you sworn to fealty? it sure as heck ain’t America.

            Why do you care about the basic foundation of this nation when you don’t care about the Constitution? I submit as evidence your position on the possession and carrying of firearms by Americans.

          • Bill Henry

            2 questions:

            Do you think Mr. Obama is a good President?, and Why?

          • speedle24

            Yes Flashy, the Constitution refers only to Americans, and whether or not it states it specifically it is assumed so. It probably doesn’t state that the document was written on paper made of pulpwood either, but we kinda take that for granted. No, non citizens are not protected under the Constitution. Geez

            If someone not a U.S. citizen bombed an abortion clinic they should be dealt with outside of Miranda just like any other terrorist.

            But I am curious about you Flashy. I am guessing you a white male. Do you get up in the morning, take a look in the mirror and get the urge to self flagellate?

          • FLASHY

            Speed…the Constitution treats all within its jurisdiction as having the same Rights as everyone else. it does not differentiate between people of any origin. And the Declaration of Independence state “ALL MEN” …

          • speedle

            “Within its jurisdiction?” Well duh! I think those people are called citizens. If you are refering to U.S. Protectorates like Guam there may be some relevance, I am not sure. But camel breathed Islamofascists definitely do not make the “protection under the Constitution list”.

          • runnindeer

            Again you are presuming that everyone who doesn’t trust this current administration must be white and has to be a racist. Simple minded person- certain inalienable rights doesn’t translate to mean that every illegal person who enters the boards of this country is to be given sanctuary and the status of Citizenship. That is what this corrupt administration under this president and holder and the liberal useful tools want to have happen.

          • Jeff

            First of all, you’re wrong. Non-citizens are protected by the Constitution as well. Secondly, the accused is a citizen. The older brother was not, but he is. No one who knows what he’s talking about (even the legal experts on Fox) thinks he can be classified an “enemy combatant.” [comment has been edited]

          • Toy Pupanbai

            Adjudged a Terrorist (by someone!) and the Patriot Act whisks them away , forever. No need for further delays an legal maneuvers.

        • Dawn Garland

          flashy- you obviously didn’t understand what Irish was talking about-he is totally AMERICAN…they had 48 hours before the miranda rights had to be read—it was hurried up just so NO information was put out. I don’t know about you–but I DO NOT CARE ABOUT A TERRORISTS RIGHTS-when he obviouly wanted to KILL AMERICANS..

          • Jana

            Dawn, flashy understands what Irish was talking about. He is just very good at perverting someones thoughts and intentions and trying in vain to make them seem wrong.
            We all know his tactics by now.

          • perry holmes

            @dawn you are the one that obviously don’t understand.The courts have said that the cops do not have to read your rights at the time of arrest. Know the law before you tell some one else about them!

          • Jana

            Perry, its obviously you that doesn’t understand, or know the law!. They actually had 48 hours before they had to mirandize him and even could have waited longer under the law but Holder took it upon himself to thwart the FBI and move in on him and read him his rights. Maybe before you try and give advice you need to go look in the mirror.

          • Deerinwater

            Reading a trauma suspect his rights ~ and then attempt to use any of his testimony in the prosecution creates legal problems that could be too large to overcome. ~ The legal process more complex than many of you believe.

          • vicki

            We wouldn’t need to tell a citizen that he has the right to remain silent if we just bothered to teach the Constitution.

          • vicki

            Are you familiar with the term “alleged”?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kirk-Kelly/100000003655071 Kirk Kelly

          Flashy you presume their innocent even after a conviction yep you are definitely a liberal”!!! What is it like to have such an internal struggle without “any” logic? And it is your party that is against the idea of a Republic! The jury thing you pretend to grasp!

      • vicki

        Which rights of criminals are the liberals screaming about and which rights of victims are being ignored?

    • Jeff

      I thought your rights begin and end with the 2nd Amendment.

      • vicki

        Since the Constitution simply describes a few of our rights it is illogical to think that your rights begin and end with one of the enumerations.

        • nc

          Vicki, you are so correct about “your rights’ that are not enumerated that you must proclaim! Same with other citizens whose conception of the unstated rights is different than yours! Ultimately the Supreme Court tells you if you are right in “your” interpretation! A lot of people who THOUGHT their interpretation was correct have been told by the Court that they were mistaken! One must be careful!

          • vicki

            We, The People have rights and powers given to us by our Creator. We delegate SOME of those powers to our government (powers only, never rights). SCOTUS is not now and never was the determinate of our rights. The Constitution is a set of SPECIFIC limits on what powers we can delegate TO government agents. SCOTUS gets only to tell government when it has stepped outside those limits.

      • Bill Henry

        The Second Amendment is just the one we use to protect all the others. If you want to know which ones are in need of protection, how about the first, rewriting history, removing words from books, removing words from official documents, repainting pictures of an artists rendering, all these are in the name of not offending someone. Look at all the news channels on tv reducing what is supposed to be news to nothing other than a commentary for the political party the news caster belongs to. How about letting hooligans camp out on our public streets and parks attacking businesses and those who don’t agree with them. How about circumventing the legislative process and the Constitution when it hinders your agenda? How about just outright ignoring the bill of rights when it suits your political agenda. How about suspending the enforcement of certain laws to expand your voter base?
        It will finally boil down to this, if you continuously kick a sleeping dog he will eventually bite you.
        Non sibi sed patriae.

        • Bill Henry

          OOPS. I must apologize, please replace the “he” in my last sentence in the preceding post with “it”. I don’t want to offend anyone……NOT…..

  • Alex

    Wow—just like our Floundering Fathers, who also came here uninvited and expected handouts, except I bet the Tsarnaevs eschewed the use of forced labor, and outright theft, which this wretched nation was built upon.

    The Tsarnaevs did attempt some good ol’ Amerikkkan genocide, though in the body count they sure fell short of what the first few waves of Western Europeans

    accomplished.

    Nothing lasts forever—-get over it! Soon this will be a decidedly NON-White country—things change. Like the Greeks and the Romans and the Nazis and the Stalinist Soviets, our empire shall too fall by the wayside. Hey, it’s poetic justice. Everywhere Western Europeans have gone in the last several hundred years they have left piles of bodies while extracting wealth.

    So, yeah, the Tsarnaevs are real jerks—but so have been all of the pushers of Amerikkkan Infectionalism—the whole Man Infest Destiny crowd. Seriously, the Tsarnaevs are not ONE OUNCE more evil than Eric Prince and his clowns at Blackwater/Xe/Academi, Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, William Calley or George Custer. We come from lousy stock and the Tsarnaevs fit right in….

    • vicki

      Alex writes:

      Wow—just like our Floundering
      Fathers, who also came here uninvited and expected handouts, except I bet the Tsarnaevs eschewed the use of forced labor, and outright theft, which this wretched nation was built upon.

      Proof by bald assertion. Not to mention the argument to ridicule the people that created the most free system of government on the planet.

      Hardly the work of people expecting handouts.

      • KG

        Where did you learn History from???? I mean the only reason why europeans ended up in America is because some businessmen wanted a “short cut” to India. That’s what true bidness entremanuers are looking for – a fat hog to cut.

        That’s why tax cuts make rich people lazy.

        • vicki

          Totally not relevant to the point nor counterpoint.

    • Deerinwater

      We are all going to die Alex, ~ it’s just a matter of when. It’s out of these ashes from which new life comes. These things are meant to be and there will be no changing this.

      We are advised to judge other’s as we might wish ourselves to be judge. Unless you are some-kind of elevated Universal Spirit and in the position to pass your Judgement on all mankind ~ you need to decide just was team you are on.

      The Tsarnaevs motives were rather clear ~ to serve their notions of “god” was to kill other’s and their children that failed to believe as they. The same People that had housed them, placed food in their mouth, gave them refuge from the troubled land from where they had came.

      To compare them equal to even the doubled tongue snake Dick Chaney ~ is a gross failure in judgement.

  • HarleyKaren

    The bombers living off welfare sounds like a page out of obamas playbook. Sealing that record sounds like another page out of obamas playbook.

    Dollars to donuts bet that Obama had everything to do with the termination of the interrogation.

    And now, the bomber is being given the priviledge of top notch defense lawyers?

    All at American taxpayer expense!

  • red neck

    I don’t know why welfare to terrorist surprises anyone after all the only people that vote for democrats are anti-American free-loaders anyway!….

  • Flashy

    Change of strategy Mr. Wood? Use two independent subjects in your articles so there is scant room for ripping the veil down around the hazy use of ‘facts” in both?

    Let’s concentrate on your rant concerning the boston bombers. So much to clarify and straighten out…

    Public assistance. it wasn’t the “bombers’ alone receiving Public assistance. here…from the committee of the legislature who released 500 pages of documents (and broke about three laws concerning privacy in doing such) “”The Tsarnaev parents were eligible to receive benefits as legal, non-citizen residents who were granted asylum status and met the basic eligibility criteria for DTA, including household income levels, presence of dependent children and other factors. Both Dzhokhar and Tamerlan have resided in the country legally.”

    So…the family was here legally, met the eligibility requirements, and received benefits. Concerned about the state not letting out private info protected under privacy laws? Why…let’s toss all of those pesky laws. Let’s see who owns concealed weapons permits, names and addresses. Let’s release tax records for everyone. Drivers license of course as well

    Or shall we chalk this up to the typical extremist rule…find something to fear or be angry with, tell people they should be angry, and tell them there is an answer and it is an ‘us versus them’ situation..that evil government and those evil liberals.

    A Mercedes? ummm…how about a car loan or a lease? He wasn’t on the dole. His clothes? Designer clothes? here’s a hint…lower yourself a level and take a meander around a thrift shop these days. You can pick up some mighty fine quality clothing for cheap. (ask your wife..or better yet, ask your maid)

    And what do you have against allowing someone their Miranda Rights? Talk about being anti- American !

    This is another sign the extremist right is getting desperate in their falling from any voice at the table. On one hand, they insist on their ‘Rights”…then, without blinking an eye, they demand stripping Rights. the guy is not convicted and his Mirandizing was held 36 hours after custody. And that “48 hour “exception? Read the decision fer chrissakes, it’ll do you some good to enhance your knowledge … and then tell how withholding reading him Rights and withholding counsel any longer would meet the test.

    Jeesh….Rights are for just a select few eh? So who compiles that list? Any criteria?

    Anyone who screams the Bomber should not have his Rights observed may cal themselves patriots…the real question is what they are partiots for/ ‘Cause it sure in the heck ain’t America…

    • Irish1025

      Flashy ….I would like to ask you a question. If You owned a huge piece of real estate and you wished to build a home on that real estate and also home’s for family & friends. Would you then after building this wonderful home for your self and friends & family, Invite a person into your home ,and treat them to all kinds of luxury that they didn’t have where that person came from, knowing full well that this “person” said they were going to kill you and your family&friends? That make’s about as much sense as inviting an known arsonist into your home wouldn’t you agree?

      • Flashy

        Ummm..so yo have an insight as to these guys turning into murders? really? Care to share that with everyone so we can go around testing people? Perhaps given the IRA’s past etc…we should test you?

        • Irish1025

          Why Will You not answer my question? maybe because you know that I am right! I can not put this any plainer than I already have! so please answer my question! My Family has been in America for many generations on my Dad’s side there are Eight generations and my Mom’s side even longer so what is your point about the IRA? if you wish to say something come right out and say it Otherwise quite wasting Mine and Everyone else’s time.

          • vicki

            Flashy won’t answer you because he can’t. He can’t answer my question of how my owning a (scary looking) firearm infringes on ANY of his rights either.

  • Jim B

    A community organizer for POTUS, a Senate and House full of idiots elected to office through votes for handouts, a growing population of illiterates and WaLa! Stupid now runs the country.

  • Guest

    To my liberal friends and aquaintances,

    Not every flower can say love, but a rose can

    Not every plant survives a thirst, but a cactus can

    Not every dumba55 can read, but look at you go, little buddy

    Today, you should take a moment and send an encouraging

    message to one of your screwed up friends, just as I have done.

    I don’t care if you do lick windows, screw farm animals and eat boogers.

    You hang in there cupcake, because you’re friggin’ special to me.

    Look at you smiling at your screen, you knuckle dragging, crayon eating maroon.

    AJ

    • Mike in MI

      AJ –

      Please don’t go away in a huff, just because you, TOO, have been rebuffed, deleted, upbraided or (as though you may feel you have been STEPPED ON LIKE A BUG). Mr. Livingston may have pressures, requirements or proclivities bearing upon him that you have no knowledge of. Maybe, chalk it up to climate change – “climate” of freedom … in the age of OBAMADOM.

      You are used to being able to freely communicate whatever you wish, when ever, almost where ever, to whom ever and in what ever way. Maybe you should learn to grit your teeth and boldly stand your ground, make your choices and steel your blessed heart.

      Well, I got shut out totally from another search engine monitoring this site for saying something they didn’t like. I came on a different engine and say similar or worse things without rejection. Don’t blame Bob Livingston. Check it out yourself.

      I don’t frequent their premisses anymore. That other place gives lots of money to Obama and has been entertained at the WH often … who knows what else?

      Stick around, friend. I enjoy your style … linguistically, if nothing else. Ehhh, other reasons, too.

  • Average_Joe56

    Dear Bob L,

    I must apologize, yesterday I made the comment that you have become the speech police, but I was wrong. After going back and reading many of the posts over the last few days, there are so many “‘missing” and ” edited” comments throughout. That most of the discussions are just a jumble of words, with no structure or coherency. Thanks!

    I have revised my statement…you have become a Speech Nazi.

    For about 4 years, I have been coming to PLD and actually felt that Liberty…truly meant something here. However, since you’ve changed your format, you’ve gone completely batcrap crazy…deleting things that are simply humor or so inoffensive to the average person, that deleting it seems , well, almost childish. (I understand curse words and such not wanted and I have avoided using them)
    Yes, Bob, we’ve discussed this before and yes, I do understand that this is your site, these are your rules and that if we don’t like it, we are free to leave at any time ( yes, I’ve seen that posted to people a few times lately as well). If you want any of us to leave, please, just ask. Simply put, there is no sense commenting on anything, if there is the probability of censorship because of a word or sentiment, that you personally disapprove of.
    From Personal Liberty to Politically Correct Censorship. Who could have imagined?
    Thanks Bob, the last 4 years have been great, it is a shame that we must part company over the issue of liberty, on PLD, of all places.
    AJ

    • vicki

      keep in mind that PLD does not necessary control what comments Disqus chooses to delete so it might be a bit hasty to blame Bob L for the edits.

      Now I personally do not like Disqus and much preferred the old system but as you say this is Bob’s site and it is for him to choose.

  • WTS/JAY

    A new report by the Government Accountability Institute finds that JP Morgan has made at least $560,492,596 since 2004 processing the Electronic Benefits Transfer (EBT) cards of 18 of the 24 states it has under contract for the food stamp program.

    Indeed, JP Morgan’s Christopher Paton told Bloomberg News that food stamps are big business for the big bank:

    “We are the largest processor of food stamps in the country…[the EBT program] is a very important business to JP Morgan. It’s an important business in terms of its size and scale…. Right now volumes have gone through the roof in the past couple of years or so. The good news from JP Morgan’s perspective is the infrastructure that we built has been able to cope with that increase in volume.”

    While some may be glad that a private company—not a government agency—is tasked with EBT transactions, the GAI report reveals that JP Morgan does not use the same fraud detection systems commonly used by today’s credit card companies. In fact, federal and state agencies—not EBT processors—are the ones tasked with policing food stamp fraud.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/01/Report-JP-Morgan-Makes-Over-Half-A-Billion-Dollars-Off-Food-Stamps

  • rbrooks

    you can thank reagan for the open door policy of cheap immigrant labor and little bush for increasing the amount of social services these low wage immigrants can qualify for.

  • dan

    good points,Chip…but let’s not forget Corporate Welfare and Banker Welfare…
    or the Sob Sisters at the UN with their hands out.
    No wonder we have to just pull money out of thin air !

  • securityman

    flashy, ask any correctional officer about the e difference in the rights between victums and criminals.even after they are convicted and in prison, they have more rights than you do. well, maybe not you, but more than a regular citizen. you sound like one of the crybabys that always complain that the criminals are soooooo mistreated.