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Welfare Costs For Children Of Illegal Immigrants Rise In Los Angeles

September 17, 2010 by  

Several conservative politicians have recently voiced their opposition against amnesty for illegal immigrants, citing the draining effect it could have on the already-reeling economy.

The most populous county in the United States is feeling those financial pains, according to the Los Angeles Times.

Welfare payments to children of illegal immigrants in Los Angeles County increased to $52 million in July, a total that represents 23 percent of the county’s entire welfare and food stamp assistance, the news provider reported. Projections show that the aid toward children of illegal immigrants will exceed $600 million this year, approximately $30 million more than the county spent last year.

County Supervisor Michael Antonovich would like to see a decrease in assistance for the offspring of illegal immigrants.

"The supervisor is very concerned," said Tony Bell, a spokesman for Antonovich, quoted by the Times. "He believes we have an economic catastrophe on our hands."

Under the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, children born on American soil — even if their parents are illegal immigrants — are automatically granted citizenship. However, according to a recent poll that asked Americans about birthright citizenship, nearly half of those surveyed said they oppose it.

The Quinnipiac University poll reveals that 48 percent are against the policy, and 45 percent are in favor, quoted by The Associated Press.ADNFCR-1961-ID-19940727-ADNFCR

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  • dan az

    Then lets send the 45% the bill and all will be well.Until california gets its head out of the liberal gutter they can go broke as far as Im concerned and there should be no bail outs for poor decisions.

    • Bruce D.

      Liberal do not seem to take money or debt seriously.

      • pgm oh

        That because its someone elses money, therefore someone elses debt..

    • Carrie TPT

      NO such thing as “Anchor Babies” don’t believe it
      In the my copy,
      Amendment 14 “All persons born or Naturalized in the U S and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the US and of the State wherin they reside.”
      If they do not have a LEGAL RESIDENCE in the US AND in a STATE, the whole thing does not apply to them.
      Section 4 Art.4 “the US shall Guarantee to every State . . .A REPUBLICAN form of Government and shall protect each of them against invasion.”

      • Robert Smith

        Hi Carrie: >>>If they do not have a LEGAL RESIDENCE in the US AND in a STATE, the whole thing does not apply to them.<<<

        If that's the case why did't the Bush administration go ahead with it and make sure that such things didn't happen?

        Why hasn't ANY administration, or even a local state, considered this?

        Rob

        • a progressive nightmare

          because they are trying to secure the latino vote through LA RAZA… Politics, plain and simple. Anything both parties can do to stay in power, including ignoring art 4 section 4 and allowing this continual INVASION of our COUNTRY.

          BUSH should have been impeached for allowing this to happen and OBAMA SHOULD BE IMPEACHED for allowing it to continue to happen.

          • Robert Smith

            From a progressive nightmare: >>> Politics, plain and simple. <<<

            It seems the Republicans have been going for the latin vote in a rather crappy way. I remember a few years ago that they catered to the Cuban community in Florida to keep Elian from his father. They blamed it on them there "commies." How's that for family values? They worked to keep a kid from his father.

            Seems to me that community came to America from Cuba as part of the Batista refugees ousted by Castro. They were at that time the core of the organized crime that created the gambling, etc. in Havana. As time went on the kids of those folks learned how to be a voting block affiliating with the Republican party. That's why so many bad decisions were made about Cuba… They were based on pleasing the kids of a bunch of criminals.

            Sadly that cost us any relationship with Castro who very much wanted to work with America. He had to turn to Russia after he was spurned by Washington. That led to all sorts of problems until the Cuban missile situation. After that everyone took a step back but not before we almost got into another nuclear war. (We won the first one against Japan.)

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Robert,
            “he tried to keep a child from his father” That was because the mother died trying to get the kid to America to get him out from under the thumb of Castro, who IS a dirty communist son of a b!tch!! The only thing I can wish him is a slow and painful death!!!

          • TIME

            APN, Is it not strange that no one in the media tells those that can’t speak or read Spanish what La Raza means?

            For you that don’t know its means; “THE RACE.” As in they are the one and only, and your a pile of crap that owe them.

            Thats one reason why Chris Dodd, Barry Franks, Chuckie Schummer, Hillery Clinton, John Kerry, Nancy Pigosee, H. Waxman, Pee Stark, D Finestine, Maxi Waters, Blanch Lincon, Liberman, and all the rest of the same name brand gang of Democrats who all voted to make “Spanish our national language.”

            Now will you all still vote for these fun people?

          • Jim

            ANY POLITICIAN, no matter their party affiliation, will alwasy vote the way that is most likely to keep them in office and on the gravy train.
            Damn shame that there are those that would sell their own country and their fellow Americans to the highest bidder. As far as I am concerned it is nothing but TREASON and they should be sto`od against the wall and shot.
            Maybe when people get fed up enough with the way that their country is being sold from beneath them for a bit of gold and at last stand up on their hind legs – they will do for themselves what the few decent in government should have had the balls to do long ago. Maybe those that knew what needed to be done and took no action should also be stood up with the traitors!
            Not only did the French chop off the heads of the aristocracy but they even knocked the heads off of the statues erected to past rulers.
            Now that’s being pissed off! How pissed off do you have to be?

          • Granny Mae

            a progressive nightmare,

            A Men!

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Jill

      Dan I live in Ca. and so far everyday I see tons of city workers working on our streets everyday. Many cars on the road either coming home from or to work. Grocery stores are crowded. Street lights working. Computers working, t.v’s working. Schools crowded, buses on the streets. It all seems like business as usual and has been for a long time.

    • CHUCK

      Behind you all the way.

    • Granny Mae

      dan az

      That would be fine except for one thing, these people don’t stay in one place. If the money dries up in Calif. then they will migrate to some other state and the beat goes on ! Even if the state limits the time they can collect they will just move to another state and then to another and another. Bottom line they become our burden when they move to our state ! The only way to stop this financial drain that I can see is to stop the elegibility. We will have to get down and dirty because they will not stop as long as the oportunity is still there !

      • dan az

        Granny
        I agree thats what we are fighting for in court!I can only beleive that its a stall to break the bank of this nation.Come November things have got to change.

  • s c

    Gee, I just can’t understand how illegals can have such a negative impact on a state’s economy. And, I can’t understand how illegals can have such a negative impact on the nation’s economy. DUHHH!
    DO YOUR JOB, Uncle Scam! America DOES NOT owe illegals ANYTHING. READ the Constitution (assuming that you bastards can read). Enforce the LAWS! Stop this damned INVASION!
    People who live in populations centers should be moving OUT of those communities. This situation is already way past insane, and yet we have career politicians who ignore crimes associated with the presence of illegals.
    If our politicians aren’t guilty of gross negligence and treason, then there is no reason for citizens to endure politicians or “laws” that are NOT enforced. Anyone who thinks laws can be selectively enforced via the Obummer Principle belongs behind bars, along with a certain prez, the vice prez, the AG and the rest of the SCUM in Washington. Enforce America’s LAWS, or go to prison where you scum belong!

    • Hurricane Glenn

      SC I concur with you 99%. The other 1% is for “the fancy Ms. Nancy” and “Hang um low Harry”. They should be in jail with the afformentioned.

      • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

        Why don’t we audit peeeelosi and reid too.Everyone in the white house is a lying two faced anti American crook!!!!!!!

    • chick

      good jobj! Only you forgot to ask obummer where his paper’s are….. you can’t find out nothing about this clown…

    • http://THEHEM@RCN.COM RED-WHITE-BLUE

      Just 30 years ago, the welfare rolls were at a minimum, mostly because it was looked at as being a low life scumbag. Nowadays, everybody is on welfare!! I look around town, and all the young women are pregnant, and since they never marry, they get a welfare check, and their boyfriend gets a welfare check!! Total up all the benefits, and they live better than those of us who work and bust our ass!! We have gone from a great hard working country, to a lazy *if it*s for free, it*s for me* country!! In another 10-15 years, you will have 2 kinds of criminals running this country: The ones in Congress, and the drug dealing welfare bums!!

      • LIL

        OMGOSH – WELL SAID…..lets just ALL remember in November and put it down on paper!!! All of the above in unforgiveable and needs to be dealt with for sure. We are or have already become, United States for the World – not America. America is for sale to the highest bidder and all our jobs going to other countries because of it. Of course this puts people with nothing to do. We should cater to our basic education read, write and arithmetic for our future legacies. Give companies tax breaks do keep businesses here and employ our own not illegals. Punish those that hire illegals harshley. Anyone that does not think we will not be consumed by ALL ILLEGALS coming here and given handouts that they did not earn-can’t do their math. Take the honey away and they will go home and become productive in order to survive. That is the name of the game – don’t give them a fish for a meal – TEACH THEM TO FISH!! Close our borders until we can deal with our economic mess is what we need to legislate in November also. ALL states need to be on the same agenda so this way the virus has no where to go and do the same. ENOUGH, ENOUGH, ENOUGH!!!! Anyone that thinks it is someone elses money are hermits – it affects us all in one way or another. Corporations need to stop getting government benefits – audited and see what impact or contribution they have given back to this country and taxed accordingly. Giving corporation tax writeoffs for their expenses on destroying our coast lines is LUDICROUS….when we are broke and they have destroyed a way of life for people. AMAZING how dumb we are for letting our politicians role over – if the taxpayer did same we would be in prison…..

    • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

      TO SC—– I am with you all the way…. Our persident and the rest of our elected officals do not want to enforce the laws we have already on the books. They want to give illegals our whole country if it gives our elected officals even one more term in office. Our elected officals do not care about our country or the American people. Our elected officals have offshore bank accounts in swiss style banking systems that many countries have and this way they can steal our tax dollars and people like george soros who really controls obama can get there bigtime contracts while paying off our elected officals.Our elected officals cheat on there taxes and lie to the American people all the time but want us to do as they say. If its a felony to lie to congress then it should be a felony for congress to lie to the American people.

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest J.Cappelli

        Another thing that no one ever mentions is that for as long as the immigrants are here illegally the taxpayers have to foot the bill for them instead of the businesses that hire them.
        It is not conservatives or liberals that have created or perpetuate this problem, it is ALL of them. This issue is not a new one, it has been a growing problem through many administrations. Our government is controlled by big business, not by the people !

        • Lyla Cavanaugh

          Soon when businesses are mandated to pay obamacare premiums they can pick up the tab for the illegals they hire, or pay $2,500 per head fine. How will this work?

    • a progressive nightmare

      It’s all about courting the latinos(LA RAZA). Both parties are trying to secure the latino vote so as to stay in power for the next 50-100 years. Bush should have been impeached for not inforcing art 4 sec 4 by allowing this invasion of OUR lands and OBAMA should be impeached for allowing it to continue.

      • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

        You are right on!!!!

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest J.Cappelli

        Glad to see that others are beginning to see that it is not just one party or the other that is guilty of allowing this invasion to continue, it is everyone in government.
        I have often wondered why the border state, in particular, have not filed suit against the federal government for failing to protect its citizens against invasion.

        • Jana

          J.Cap–
          That’s why we say vote them all out. Its time to get new people in there and then lets keep rotating them. We the People have the vote. Now if we can just get the word out.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Jana,
            100% agreed. The only problem is there are too many progressives out there trying to convince people that voting is of no use cause big business controlls the vote! To that, I say BULL!!!

    • Granny Mae

      s c,

      I agree with you. My husband told me today that Obama made a speach this week end, and told all the blacks that they were going to have to stick together and put the heat on the rest of us for the vote. I wondered how long it would be before he would play the race card ! He has turned state against state and now he is trying to pit race against race ! That is the most dispicable creature I have ever seen ! Talk about doing anything to get elected there is a prime example for you !

  • GMA213

    Illegal “immigrants” is a misnomer. It’s not immigration and they’re not immigrants. They are illegal aliens. Or, since it is a felony to enter the United States of America illegally, maybe they should be referred to as “crimigrants”?

    • Dbrooks

      The anchor babies are intentionally born here in the US because then they feel (know) they are safe from deportation. Besides, they get free medical care, housing, food, baby care, etc., etc. Look at the people on generational welfare! They know how to work the system better than SEIU employees (which isn’t saying much)! Illegals are criminals and there should be a 28th Amendment modifying/clarifying the 14th Amendment because our forefathers never fathomed such a mess as we are now in.

      • Mike Howard

        No Amendment to the Constitution is needed. Current Criminal law is sufficient. Illegal Immigration is a Criminal Offense. Is US Citizenship a tangible benefit or asset with an inherent monetary benefit? You Bet it is!!!!

        When Party A commits a criminal act Part B;C;D etc. don’t get to benefit from it. Go Rob a bank or do anything criminal for the benefit of another and see how quick the government moves to say you can not benefit from that act. Money, Property, Contracts what ever.

        Some of our conservative law groups should start going after this. Many people in Mexico received advertising to come to CA and have their baby in a hospital. The Hospitals did this in order to increase revenue which they could get from the government. Let’s start going against people and we can collect. When a government entity does not pursue a matter a citizen can get authorization pursue the matter and collect monetary awards.

    • Bob

      Our gov’t says there are 11,000,000 illegals in this country. I’d bet that California alone has that many. Go to Numbersusa.com and call or fax your Senators and tell them to oppose the dream act which the Senate will vote on next week to give citizenship to illegals. That will open the floodgates.

      • chick

        you really don’t think that they are going to listen, they got their’s,and screw the rest of america… they are set for life.. when the President has 40 some people that he has hired,that haven’t payed their taxes, they are thumping their finger to america.. vote this clown out

        • http://freedomtravel4you.com Lillian

          I think the gentleman is right but I think you should go one step further. If a child is born in the United States by an illegal alien that the child be put up for adoption and that the illegal be parents be prosecuted. The child then (as an American) can have a great life. And those parents that adopt this child are thrilled. If the scam that is being perpetrated on the American tax payer will cease if the biological parents want their own child. It is against the the law ( a felony) to be in this country illegally. The people and business men that hire this illegal should also be heavily fined and do a little jail time their self’s.

          • Robert Smith

            From Lillian: >>> If a child is born in the United States by an illegal alien that the child be put up for adoption and that the illegal be parents be prosecuted.<<<

            Interesting… That shows what the true "family values" are from the right. Give the kid to a "good" family and screw the biological family. Sheesh, family values just don't seem to be what they used to be.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Robert,
            You sure your name isn’t pronounced Roberto??? Where are the family values in USING a kid to be granted legal status in the US!! Man do YOU have a double standard!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Well rob, where are the family standars of a married couple having a baby just to stay here? They only had a child for immigration reasons and not love. So much for the lefts family values and yours. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Granny Mae

            Robert Smith says

            Talk about family values, what kind of a mother puts herself in a life or death situation so she can have an ancore baby here and go on welfare? What kind of a life is that? Some of these girls are unwed mothers and even if they aren’t and have a husband what kind of a life and family up-bringing can they give to a child that will live in a building with several other families and exist on food stamps and what a meger wage the mother and father can bring home ! My Son is the manager of a convience store with a heavy clientel of Mexican illegals. Mama comes in and buys fast food with her food stamps (paying a higher price than from a reg store) and daddy comes in with his wad of cash in his pocket and pays cash for his beer. He takes his beer and sits at the picnic table out in front of the store and drinks his beer, which is illegal, and if the Sheriff is called they only get a talking to and the Sheriff goes on his way and the illegal remains where he is ! Real nice family life for that baby huh? I would like to see one family of illegals that come here and see how great they are having it. Some get lucky and get a job that would pay a citizen a good wage but for the guy without papers they get paid very little. This is not right for the imigrant but if you are illegal you got nothing to say about it because you broke the law just by coming here through the back door ! Robert, you may think that everyone should get the golden ring just by getting here but that is not fair to the rest of the citizens of this country. This country doesn’t owe anyone a good life or a living, but it does provide everyone that comes here the right way, a chance to better themselves and a chance for a better life. To think that I or any other taxpayer should spend more money to educate our children because the school they go to has a large population of illegal imigrant children is insane ! This year I enroled my grandson in middle school and was asked to supply the school with hand sanitizer, paper towel, wet wipes and computer paper, along with paper and pencils and notebooks etc. That was for only one class ! In another class we were asked if we could, they would appreciate it if we could donate an extra box of pencils and some extra packs of paper and folders or any other supplies we could so they could be given to those that can’t afford them ! This year the school lunch is not quite as plentiful as in years past. They are cutting back on costs! My grandson takes his lunch, and since he has been taking his several others have decided to do the same ! In these times of a poor economy the illegal puts an even greater burden on everyone. I will feed anyone but I am really tired of their disregard for those of us that pay the taxes so they can get a free ride. They seem to think the government is some entity that is all rich and can do anything, they don’t realize that the government is those of us here that work hard and pay our taxes and still give to those with less than we have! I live on a small pension and this economy is hitting my family hard. I go without many things that I would like to have just so I can provide myself with the medicine I need to stay alive. At the tune of $500.00 a month it takes a lot out of my savings so you will forgive me if I don’t share your sympathy for the poor illegals ! They don’t think of me when they come here and get all my hand-out ! I would like to keep some of that money in my pocket, I worked very hard for it and I did a very dangerous job to earn my pension ! A job I might add that most of the men in my factory wouldn’t do ! So I am down on illegals and I want them to go home where they belong ! Those that come here the right way I will give housing, food and clothing to if they need it but they need to come here through the front door ! I don’t have a bleeding heart any-more !

          • Granny Mae

            Robert,

            By the way those illegals attending our schools, get free breakfast and lunch ! That costs a lot of money honey ! This wonderful pie that the Obamas are always talking about that we must give up a little of our piece so others can have a little more! Well, why don’t you go to the store and buy yourself a pie and then start dividing it up. Start out with five people having a piece of pie and then imagine that you had unexpected company for dinner, they are a family of five kids and two adults, now divide those first five pieces so that everyone gets some of the pie, then imagine that your sister came unexpectedly with her family of five and now you have to divide those pieces of pie so all of them have an equal share, and oh yes mom and dad just drove up so we will have to divide again ! Do you get the picture? Everyone may get a taste of the pie but when all is said and done is it going to be worth it? Half of nothing is always going to be nothing only now you have three times the people looking for a taste of the pie just to live and there is only so much pie and you can divide it only so many times ! Illegals put a real big burden on the rest of us !

        • Bob

          Chick Why do you think there hasn’t been amnesty for illegals already. It’s because of activist people faxing and making phone calls, not spreadinf their defeatist attitude on the internet.

      • http://guy@reogiant.com guyb

        The dream act is the dream of the socialist in control of our great nation. obama and reid and pelosi should be auditted and then jailed.

        • Lyla Cavanaugh

          Tomorrow the senate votes to make illegals legal. TOMORROW!

      • dan az

        Bob
        I already did a few times and wrote each one of my congressmen and gave them a piece of my mind along with obumer.Just waiting for the homeland security turds to show up to try to deport me. kinda hard to do,they would have to figure out which nationality a heins variety would be and where to send me!

        • Robert Smith

          From dan az: >>> gave them a piece of my mind <<<

          It shows.

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            robert smyth,
            At least HE has a piece to give them, unlike you who has NONE!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Must have been fried from his recreational drug use that he keep preaching about. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Bob

          Dan I get tired of those who say we can’t defeat them with emails and phone calls. It works. Lasdt year over a million people got in touch with their reps and they backed off. Some people are too lazy to pick up the phone. They contribute nothing but negativity.

          • dan az

            Bob
            Just like the one above ya!

    • Dick Gazinia

      As an LA resident I can assure that illegals are draining our city. Emergency Rooms go broke, schools are overcrowded, US citizens who really need welfare sometimes cannot get it, American teenagers cannot find summer jobs because they are filled by illegals who are willing to work for the same pay.

      For work last year I had to visit a brand new state-of-the-art high school. The school had great architecture, a beautiful theatre complex and athletic facilities. When walking in the halls I heard very little English spoken. One of the faculty confidentially estimated that in this school over 80% were illegals. American students are suffering in overcrowded conditions because of this. Many of the illegal students believe that California is really part of Mexico and the Gringoes have occupied it.

      Try pulling into a Home Depot here and the herds of day laborers surround your car and even approach you in the store. Many women are afraid to go to one of these stores alone.

      We have to stop calling these people “undocumented workers” and call them what they are: ILLEGAL ALIENS. I feel sorry for many of them, they are desperately trying to better their lives, but not so sorry as to let them drain our city’s economy.

      I am tired of “press one for English” and seeing government documents printed in English and Spanish. No other ethnic group demands or gets this privilege. If they don’t want to function in an English speaking country, they can stay home. I am tired of seeing Mexican flags paraded around by people demanding “immigrants rights”. No one invited them here. They have rights in Mexico where they belong.

      • Dick Gazinia

        One more thing – the GANGS… illegals have brought extensive criminal organizations here, too. There are neighborhoods where it is utterly unsafe. California prisons are filled with illegal aliens and are incarcerated at great expense.

        We need to secure our borders and keep these parasite out of our country.

        • Robert Smith

          Dick Gazinia says: >>>One more thing – the GANGS… illegals have brought extensive criminal organizations<<<

          It isn't illegals are gangs but that some gangs are made up of illegals.

          The fact is that gangs form themselves for two reasons:

          1. Mutual protection.

          2. MONEY… That's M O N E Y.

          As a society we should be able to offer safe streets. As a society we should allow adults to make decissions for themselves. The government has no business banning recreational drugs, gambling, etc. Take the MONEY out of it and the gangs can't afford themselves.

          Rob

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Just like an immoral lib! Always wanting the bad things passed and not the ways of our founding fathers. Same lib rhetoric! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Robert S.
            Gee I’m a little short on money this month. where do you live? I think I’ll come rob you! It’s only right and fair!!! If Uncle Sam would come and make sure I had enough for the month I wouldn’t have to rob!!! GET A CLUE!!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Good job, JoeH! Keep up the good fight fellow patriot! Where does he get off talking about illegal drugs, etc.? Never makes any sense amd makes me wonder if he is an American, foreigner, or from some planet in outer space (In a galaxy far, far away!). I wonder if he does illegal drugs on a daily basis? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            samurai,
            I think the answer to that is quite evident!!!

          • Granny Mae

            Rob,

            You got more air space than a 747 and it is all between your ears !

          • law man

            LEGALIZE POT,problem solved.

          • http://naver samurai

            What planet are you from law man? It’ll never happen in this christian nation. Do like many countries do with druggies and either punish them publically or execute them. Singapore publically canes someone for possesion, so if we did these things the problem would be solved and children wouldn’t be endangered by these poisons. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        Dick Gazinia says: >>> I feel sorry for many of them, they are desperately trying to better their lives, but not so sorry as to let them drain our city’s economy. <<<

        If where they came from is so terrible why not give 'em a gun, send them back, and let them fight for what they feel is right? We gave a lot of American blood for our freedom, why shouldn't they give some of theirs?

        Rob

        • Jana

          Robert Smith,
          Now that is a very good point!

          • Granny Mae

            It certainly is ! good one !

    • ChuckL

      How about just calling them INVADERS, and treating them accordingly?

      • Ron…

        Note that they should not be imprisoned, instead put many of their gang butts in body bags and ship them back to their native land. We should stop playing childrens games and make damn sure that America is both respected and feared, it is their choice. Look what has happened to California and they are still be hounded by La Raza for more diversity. Arizona needs to be freed of the cartel yoke and if the might Muslim cannot do it, then put someone in there that will. He needs to be removed legally from office and all of his laws voided and his appointments voided, his Czars dethroned, and keep on removing the Obama influence, until they are all long gone.

    • THIRD PARTY

      IT’S NOT A FELONY,first off it’s a civil manor,pertaining to only a fine in it’s true definition.

    • LIL

      TOUCHE – FYI – it is ALL RACES incoming and illegally here – the VISA cards, etc. need monitoring and enforced. If you DON’T BECOME A CITIZEN, PAY TAXES – GET OUT!!!

  • http://naver samurai

    I don’t see how they can give them handouts when giving handouts to foreugn nationals is unconstitutional? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Bruce D.

      Read hflashman’s answer in How well do you know your Constitution? Liberals do not feel the Constitution means what it say. They think it means something else.

      • s c

        Bruce, ‘flush’ is 1) on drugs or 2) has sold his arse and his soul to the lowest bidder or 3) both.
        Whatever the answer is, he probably won’t live long enough to get close to having a clue.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          sc,
          flush sold his brain to science to be harvested upon his death for scientific study. They just harvested too soon!!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Very funny! LMAO! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Granny Mae

            Oh Joe ! Shame on you! Bad, bad Joe ! LOL !

  • Frankie

    Obama wants to make them all legal!! What does it take to get a sorry president impeached!!! We are going broke and that idiot is ignoring all our immigration laws!

    • chick

      plus a bunch more…. wake up america

    • Robert Smith

      Hi Frankie, You said: >>>Obama wants to make them all legal!!<<<

      Do you have that someplace like You-Tube where we can see it?

      Did you notice that Obama recently sent a bunch of National Guard troops to the Mexican border.

      Rob

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Roberto,
        Yeah, he sent them, all 1600 of them. none have arrest power, none have detain power, they just BARELY have the power to complete the paperwork they are assigned to do!! Oh and let’s not forget that the border states requested over 6000 of them!!!

        • Robert Smith

          Joe H. says: >>>Oh and let’s not forget that the border states requested over 6000 of them!!!<<<

          Yup, and if we were completely out of Iraq (better yet, if we never went) we could apply another 50,000. That would realy make our border safe.

          Bush said we can defend ourselves there or here. He sure screwed the pooch on that one. Our troops should have been here.

          Rob

          • Jana

            Robert,
            I have heard them say it is unlawful for our military to patrol the border. I don’t know why it is. The Border Patrol needs more power and more people!

          • Robert Smith

            Here is some information, Jana.

            From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

            >>>The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction, with the intention (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) of substantially limiting the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (today the Army, Navy, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain “law and order” on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States.

            The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Act.<<<

            My guess is that maybe we can put them on the Mexican side and see what goes down.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Blame Bush, baaaa! Baaaaa! Baaaaa! Obama bin Laden is the POTUS now and it is up to him to do this. Wow, a whopping 1200 troops to guard a border more than 1000 miles long. Gee, that’s about a soldier every mile or so? It doesn’t sound feasible to me. Plus, we should also reopen all the posts that were closed in those state during the Clinton administration. If we need more money, don’t add another tax to the people just defund Obama bin Laden care and then you’ll have the money! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Roberto smyth,
            you need to study up a little bit on posse cometas!! It doesn’t apply here as the border states have asked, begged, pleaded for the support. Therefore it would be perfectly LEGAL!!!

        • Granny Mae

          Joe H.

          I think they are there to watch ! Watch the illegals come and go !

      • ChuckL

        The border is over 2000 miles long. That means more than 2000 persons per shift. 3 shifts per day and one shift on break requires 4 shifts. That is about a minimum of 8500 persons. The 1200 sent is about 14% of what is needed. Of course if we are actually going to stop the invaders, we will need more troops and they will have to be armed and have surveillance capability.

        • Claire

          First, Obama should bring all of our troops home–put them on the borders all around the US–keep all illegals out, now and forever. Second, he should mobilize thousands of troops to round up the illegals and send them packing. Problem solved.

          • dan az

            claire
            If they got here on foot then they can leave on foot.Of course they would be assisted with Joe H on his horse!

          • Claire

            dan az–Good for JoeH and his horse! Illegals have been allowed to infiltrate America for years and years. There is always a day of reckoning and this is it. America is bursting at the seams with illegals. Our government never did care who came into America. We never watched our borders. Now we have terrorists amongst us, and who knows what else. America takes care of everybody and this is why we are in this mess. This situation should have been dealt with 50 years ago.

          • Jana

            It just makes me so mad that they , and its all of THEM in Congress and the President and all of the Presidents men, do not want to stop these illegals from coming in. Yes, Bush and Clinton and Bush before that are responsible.

          • Granny Mae

            Not so fast Clair, The problem is solved for you as soon as they get to the boarder but as soon as the shooting starts and our people start getting killed then you will be singing another song. It will be somebody needs to bring our boys off that boarder and get them home ! Patroling that boarder is not going to be all nice and safe and every illegal is going to get scared of us and go home ! No the drug cartels are going to start shooting at our boys and they will be shooting them with weapons that they got from the Mexican government who got them from our government ! Just being on the boarder is not goint to stop all our problems. These drug dealers are dug in now in the mountains and in order to get them out of there we will have to use the same tactics we use in Afghanistan. Drones ! When our boys are put on that boarder you can bet that someone is going to die and a lot of them will be our boys !

          • Claire

            Granny Mae–Drones are the answer but the Border Patrol does need help. There will still be illegals getting in. You should know I do not want any of our troops to be killed. Our troops are still being killed in Afghanistan-I don’t want our troops there either. Like I said, bring them home, all of them.

          • Granny Mae

            Claire,

            I know you don’t want our boys hurt or killed. Sometimes our posts come across in the wrong tone. I was just saying that our boys on the boarder is only going to bring more problems however it is the only solution we have. The problem is that we should have been doing this a long time ago, now they are dug in and it will be just like a war all over again only on our own soil. Please don’t think that I thought you were advocating putting our boys in harms way. That was not my thoughts at all ! Please forgive me !

        • Robert Smith

          ChuckL says: >>>Of course if we are actually going to stop the invaders, we will need more troops and they will have to be armed and have surveillance capability.<<<

          Yup, and we have 50,000 well brave and well equiped troops dying in Iraq. Jut think, if they were defending HERE they wouldn't be assaulted by all the IEDs planted, etc.

          I think Bush got it wrong and we should have invested in protecting our borders. We should have hit Afganistan hard enough so it's clear we won't be messed with and been out in 4 months. We should never have gone into Iraq.

          Rob

      • Bob

        Hey Robert It’s called the Dream Act and the Senate is trying to attach it to a Defense Spending bill. It will be voted on next week. You should try some websites that tell you the real news.

    • Robert Smith

      Frankie say: >>>Obama wants to make them all legal!!<<<

      That's what Reagan did in the 80s.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        That’s Harry Reid’s “Dream Act” in 2010! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://mozillafirefox mike bigler

    Why do tax payer need to feed and house any one period? If I was able to get an EDUCATION and get a job, so should everyone else. CHOICES, CHOICES, AND CHOICES. I WORK TO SUPPORT MYSELF AND I AM TAXED TO SUPPORT THOSE WHO DO NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR OWN ACTIONS. WHY? Their is nothing in the writings of our fore fathers that say’s I must do this.
    Taxes are collected to run certain areas of the city and state not to be giving out to people who do not work in these areas,ex: police and firepersons,etc..

    • Robert Smith

      From Mike: >>> If I was able to get an EDUCATION <<<

      Was your entire education private?

      I'm grateful that we have education opportunities to create a large educated pool of people for work. Sadly the problems come from teacher unions, administrators, and nuts who want to tell kids what to learn based on some religious garbage.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Religion has nothing to do with it, moron! We all know that education has been declining due to the left wing extremists taking over education. Go back to church and learn something! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Robert Smith

      mike bigler say: >>> Their is nothing in the writings of our fore fathers that say’s I must do this.<<<

      True, but isn't charity a big christian thing? But oh… They need to be the right color, and speak the right language.

      Rob

      • Jana

        Robert,
        It is supposed to be the Christians mandate to do these things, but the Gov’t has taken this over using our tax dollars. They take more and more of our tax dollars to do what the Churches do on a fourth of the amount. The Gov’t. doesn’t really do anything very well because it takes too many people to do one job and they all have to be paid, and some of them need assistants to help them think.
        The reports are just coming in now on how the bail out money was spent. Lets see $150 million dollars to save 5 jobs in one town. But oh how many got a part of that money before it ever got to its proper destination?

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Jana,
          the biggest mis-use of the United States stimulus money was sending almost one million dollars to Africa to teach African men to wash properly after sex!!! What a crock!! Probably sent to that little ville in Africa where Nobummer was born!!! That will sure stimulate OUR ECONOMY!!!!

        • http://naver samurai

          I think one of the biggest mis use of our governments money will be when Obama bin Laden care starts up. More than a trillion dollars. He’s also trying to get more spending money by cutting military paycheck 25%. Obama bin Ladenomics just doesn’t seem to have the people in mind. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver samurai

        Same lib garbage! Can you give some facts on that or cite some sources to back up what you say? Oh, I forgot again. A lib, think? I need another cup of coffee! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Shibamom

        IF I decide to help support them, then I WILL give. The Fed Gov’t has no right to tax US citizens to pay for Illegal Aliens’ upkeep in this country. STOP WITH GD RACE CARD S_ _ T!!!

  • Marie & Al

    why should Amercian pay for all of this this all Obama doing let him pay he Like them so much they don’t be long in this country at all they don’t be long in this country we have every one from all Around the world They are NOt Citizen at all if they are show me your Birth Certificatie if you are not Born IN THE USA you are Not a Citizen .at all I don’t care if you live in this country 10 year’s you show me your Certificatie why obama just roll out the red carpet for them & the hell with the USA well it not going to happen

    • pgm oh

      Because he’s (Obummer)one of them….

      • Robert Smith

        From pgm oh: >>> Because he’s (Obummer)one of them….<<<

        Clue: Obama is a citizen of the good old USA. The birther movement is the same kind of nuts that claims we didn't land on the moon and the Earth is flat.

        Here is another clue: The Easter Bunny and Santa aren't real.

        Rob

        • ChuckL

          Try this Robert. It seems that Obama’s hospital birth certificate has arrived from Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.

          http://www.sonorannews.com/archives/2010/100915/frontpage_Obama.html

          • dan az

            chuckl
            thats what im talking about!So if they all got the message then they all are aiding and abeding an illegal which is a crime!

          • Robert Smith

            Hey ChuckL, Lucas Smith is a nut job. He was a former resident of Cedar Rapids, Iowa. He is the man who had claims to have a copy of Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate. It’s a diaper load.

            Smith claims to have acquired an authentic document from the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa. It allegedly proves that Obama was born there at 7:24 p.m. on August 4th, 1961. Smith attempted to sell it on eBay and then disappeared from contact.

            Let’s see… He had a document that you are basing your accusation against Obama on that he was gonna sell on eBay! Looks to me like you got scammed trying to “prove” something by basing your argument on a scam artist’s paperwork.

            Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Prove it! Show us his real birth certificate!

        • Shibamom

          Well, Rob…it seems to me that all of this is just hunky dory for you! I have a suggestion…why don’t YOU foot the bill for all this BS? It seems that you think this is all a big freakin’ game. That you welcome the destruction of this great nation. Well, go ahead and have your fun and laugh at everyone else’s anger & resentment. At some point you will feel the emptiness of your pockets while you watch all your new latino/latina BFF’s running down the street with everything you used to own. Then we’ll all laugh at you!!! Freakin’ loser!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Marie & Al,
      Were your parents born here? Or their parents? Or theirs? There are a lot of good CITIZENS here that weren’t born here!! My best friend is a first generation American, born In Italy. He is a naturalizes citizen and just as much an American as you! He fought for this country as did I! He is just as much an American as I am and I was born here to American Parents and my American ancestors go back to before the signing of the Declaration of Independance!!

      • Robert Smith

        From Joe H.: >>>He is just as much an American as I am and I was born here to American Parents and my American ancestors go back to before the signing of the Declaration of Independance!!<<<

        Why don't you see what it's like for the really old American setlers, the American Indians who have been treated like crap for hundreds of years.

        IOW, your alleged "seniority" because of your family just doesn't mean much to me.

        BTW, George Washington wasn't born in the United States of America. All the founding fathers were born in a British colony.

        Rob

        • Jana

          Robert Smith,
          Why are you being so hard on Joe H? He was actually saying the same thing as you?

        • http://naver samurai

          Robert is just ranting. My family has been here since before the revolution, how about yours rob? Did they succcessfully sneak across the boarder at night and have you as an anchor baby? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Granny Mae

            My ancestors came here on the Mayflower ! The name was Doty !

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Robert Smith,
          I don’t have to go see, I have ancestors from both sides of my family from among them and have a cousin that lives on a Res. right now!! try again dirt bag!!

        • Shibamom

          What the F is your problem??? Don’t worry about the native americans…they have been demanding their own “reparations” over the years. Who died and made you the humanity police anyway??

  • kate

    There are millions of AMERICANS that are unable to the same aid for their children! Go figure – let’s take care of illegal’s children and for that matter illegals but not Americans – what is wrong with this picture. Sad that the idiots in DC and for that matter in CA do not see the injustice in this!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      kate,
      the bill Dirty Harry Reid wants to get passed GIVES college education to illegal alien kids that were NOT born here! As long as they lived here since their 12th birthday!!! My kid is in college right now and we are paying for every bit of it, books and all!! That’s justice???

      • Granny Mae

        Joe H

        I hate to say this but obviously your kid is the wrong color and doesn’t put all his time into sports ! I know of a situation that the a young black boy was good in football in high school and his grades were terrible, so in order for him to go to college, the college paid for him to have a tutor if he would play football for them. He did but he didn’t finish, he decided to go pro ! I think he played for the Bengals ! Amazing what race and sports can do for you. By the way he went to college on a football scollarship ! They lived about 5 blocks from me ! Nice people. Very nice people but because of their race and his talent he got all the breaks while many others with the same talent were passed over.

    • Granny Mae

      Kate,

      Boy you have just said what I have been saying for years and years. We need to demand that our government at least puts good schools on the reservations and give classes in a votec fashion. Teaching these people how to use their skills that have laid dorment for so long. These are wonderful people and have given so much for this country. In fact if it hadn’t been for the Code Talkers during the second world war we would have most likely lost !

  • Mark

    I feel the reason all these illegal aliens are receiving all these benefits, especially in CA, is that they are pelosi’s pet voters. There are enough of them now, whether legal or illegal, that she makes promises to them and they vote for her. What you CA folks gotta do is get rid of her first. She owns CA and dictates to CA against what used to be the majorities will. The 14th amendment is a travesty and is treasonist to the people of this country. It invites the illegals to sneak into America and squirt out a baker’s dozen. ANY child should be the legal nationality of it’s mother.

    • JoMama

      Mark-
      Illegal aliens CANNOT vote. THAT is a crime. You know, voter fraud??

      • Palerider1957

        JoMamma. Of course it’s SUPPOSED to be illegal for non- citizens to vote. But do you really think that stops them. Especially since it is now illegal for poll workers to ask for ID (racist). And as far as that goes, how about all those DEAD people that registered and voted for Obama and the Democrats in the last election? Most brought by ACORN. Or how about the fact that Mickey Mouse (yes, the Disney character) was a registered voter, and VOTED in the last election! The laws of this country DO NOT MATTER to the Democrats in general and Obama in particular! Illegal aliens are being used to swing elections towards Democrats and Obama! If you can’t see this (do some research on your own, do not rely on the media for your info) and know the truth!

        • Robert Smith

          From Palerider: >>>Most brought by ACORN.<<<

          Absolutely false. Acorn asked for an audit and cooperated every step of the way to assure prosicution when wrongdoing was found BY ACORN itself.

          Rob

          • dan az

            Robert
            So you work for acorn!where you taught to lie from oboma or his wife when they worked for acorn?

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Dan AZ, thanks for the fine example of skipping the issue that Acorn originally reported the misdeeds of some bad employees that they wanted caught and Swift Boating another poster.

            Yup, an excellent example.

            Thanks,

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            This doesn’t explain the pimp and whore that were getting benefits from ACORN. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Granny Mae

        JoMama,

        It is illegal but it still is happening ! And it has been happening for a very long time. The first I heard of it was during the Clinton administration ! Thats not to say it started there but it sure was used and increased at that time !

  • cporter

    We let them in
    We hired them to do your cheap labor
    We looked to the other way as long as we benifited from them being here….for decades
    None of the administrations in the recent past have enforced any
    of the laws that were put in place to prevent it
    Now you want to blame this president for that to when none of the other administration did anything about it and if they did it was blocked by those who stood to make money from it or get the votes.

    Basically we have been taking a handout from the cheap labor and
    and caused the wages of most Americans to be driven down.
    Now after saying all of that i do agree,they are not eligible for
    any entitlements
    The ilegal issue on immigration should have been nipped in the bud a long time ago..and surely after 9/11

    This is just what shortsighted thinking gets us and it will be the same down the road on ,energy,infrastruture,the environment,conservation or resoures,and so on.

    Now i have a question.
    Once you throw the so called idiot in office out
    How do you plan on dealing with the millions of illegal immigrants living here….lots of talk..no reasonable solutions,that s idiotic

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Barry will see the change come November… Now about the illegals… Ever hear of Operation Wetback? Google it.

      • Bob

        Robin It was during the Eisenhower Administration. He shipped them to Southern Mexice where they couldn’t get back to our border.

      • Granny Mae

        cporter,

        The solution to the illegals is not an easy one but it has to be done. They must all be refused assistance except for a bus ticket to return to where they came from. No jobs for undocumented ! As for everyone that thinks they do jobs that our people would not do, you are wrong. Our people just won’t do the job for a paycheck they cannot live on ! It is very difficult to look for a good paying job when you are stuck in a low paying job and you have to be there to work during the hours of job hunting !

    • Craig

      There has been lots of reasonable solutions. You have to know how to read and comprehend to understand what has been proposed. All you need to do to get rid of those already here is make it hostile for them to be here. Not hostile in the physical harm sense, but hostile in the you wont be working, getting freebies and we will deport you when we find you, sense. Most will self deport.

      • Bruce D.

        I agree. Also 30 day prison terms and heavy fines for those who hire them. Because the numbers are in the millions it should be considered an invasion of the United States and an act of treason to hire them. I would support that.

        • Robert Smith

          From Bruce D.: >>>Also 30 day prison terms and heavy fines for those who hire them.<<<

          I can support that. Do you go after Frank Perdu or the actual person responsible? My vote is to put Frank in jail for awhile. We've got to let big business know they will be held accountable. Make the fine big enough that the stock holders will feel the pinch. THEN they will find out it's good business to hire Americans.

          Rob

          • Granny Mae

            Robert,

            Yes ! I agree. No matter who they are if they are hiering illegals they need to go to jail for a meaningful time ! Heavy fines are good too !

    • chick

      actually, there is a way to nip this in the arse..go back a few years,and look at the law that states you fine the person that hire’s the illegal,that was going to be a 10,ooo.oo dollar fine.. but again we overlook the laws that are on the book’s.. the goverment want’s to hang the law-man that do uphold the law… how messed up is that.. thank all of the federal judges for the bs that is heading our way

    • Robert Smith

      From corter: >>>How do you plan on dealing with the millions of illegal immigrants living here….lots of talk..no reasonable solutions,that s idiotic<<<

      We need to absolutely close the border for a few years. We don't get anyting except cheaper whatever from them brought to us in unsafe trucks. Simply accept the fact that umbrellas in your drink, or maybe your underwear, might cost a little more, but it's cheaper than paying for all who come across.

      Rob

  • Bruce D.

    “We” – who else are you talking about besides yourself. I did not let them in, I did not hire them, and I am not benefiting from them being here. Few are if you take into consideration the drain they are putting on our social system and our prisons. That is just a Liberal myth that we are benefiting from them being here. Bush accerated security of the border but didn’t do enough. Crime and drugs have accelerated since Obama has taken office and he not only continues to ignore the problem but he is also putting out an all out effort to stop the states from defending themselves. Obama is allowing people to get murdered and putting our children at risk from the proliferation of drugs to court the Latino vote.

    • Robert Smith

      REEFER MADNESS ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!! from Bruce D.” >>>Obama is allowing people to get murdered and putting our children at risk from the proliferation of drugs to court the Latino vote.<<<

      Nope. What's driving the drug trade is MONEY. Legalize it (for adults), sell it cheaper, tax it, and like the end of booze prohibition organized crime will get out of the business.

      How can those who don't want personal choices made for them advocate that people go to jail for recreational drugs?

      Rob

      • http://?? Joe H.

        roberto,
        you say legallize all drugs??? When the speed freaks and coke addicts get so screwed up they need diapers and constant care, who will pay for it?? YOU? When a young man gets hooked on that stuff and can’t support his family, you gonna support his wife and kids? for once stop and think of the ramifications of what you propose!!

        • Claire

          JoeH– I agree.

        • Robert Smith

          Well, apparently Joe H. wants the nanny state. Let’s look at his advocacy: >>>When the speed freaks and coke addicts get so screwed up they need diapers and constant care,<<>>Who will pay for it?? YOU?<<>>When a young man gets hooked on that stuff and can’t support his family<<<

          Another big lie. Many actors, like Bella Lugosi, David Bowie, Miles Davis, and even Ben Franklen was into drugs. Oops, that last wasn't a star… We can look at others who were addicted and still productive like Rush Limbaugh. So, the stereotype just doesn't account for all drug use / abuse.

          Besides, I'm totally bolown away buy on one hand the extreme right saying they want THEIR freedom and less nanny state, all the while advocating restrictions on others. Yup, just another right wing double standard.

          Rob

          • Claire

            Robert Smith–Recreational drugs? I call them poison. Did you approve of LSD? These “recreational drugs” should be banned. With perhaps the exception of “Mary Jane” for medicinal purposes.
            I have a niece and she, along with her husband, adopted two crack babies. They had to literally “child-proof their home. It took a lot of courage to take care of these two kids. I would never do it. Now the boy is 16 years old and he is in a home for mentally disturbed youth. The boy freaks out at times and there is no controlling him. The girl is still at home, she is 12 years old now, is on medication, and they have to watch her closely because she can go off the deep end at times.
            Therefore, I do not agree that “recreational drugs” should be legalized.

          • Robert Smith

            From Clair: >>>I call them poison.<<>>Did you approve of LSD?<<>>These “recreational drugs” should be banned.<<>> With perhaps the exception of “Mary Jane” for medicinal purposes.<<>>I have a niece and she, along with her husband, adopted two crack babies. <<>>They had to literally “child-proof their home.<<>>Therefore, I do not agree that “recreational drugs” should be legalized.<<<
            You don't have to take any. But again, what about the nanny state? Or is it just for things that impact you that you don't want regulated?

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            robertSmith
            I’ll support all of them!! FOR YOU!! TAKE ALL OF THEM DIRT BAG!! THEN SIT IN THE CORNER AND LET WHAT LITTLE BRAIN YOU HAVE LEAK OUT YOUR LEFT EAR FOR ALL I CARE!! I’LL EVEN LOOK AFTER YOUR WIFE AND KIDS FOR YOU AS THEY ARE THE INNOCENT ONES!! KISS OFF!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Speaking of drugs, I think yours has been rotted away from all the lib crack you’ve been smoking. I’ve seen people who would rather die than give up their addiction to these poisons. What the hell is the matter with you? You say legalize them and tax them? Well where the hell do you think that we’ll get them from? The cartels, that’s who. Why don’t you just go somewhere and jerk off you moron!

          • Claire

            Robert Smith– Go ahead, fry your brain (what is left of it) all you want. If you live long enough you will be sorry as hell that you ever smoked, snorted, whatever. Personally, I want to keep my health.
            My kids are grown adults, and I will tell you this–if anyone, and I mean anyone, ever gave my kids drugs I would have probably killed the person. This is why there are so many illegals in this country now–selling drugs to our kids–and there are plenty of lowlife right here in America that “do” drugs and buy from these creeps and then turn around and sell drugs themselves. I say get rid of the illegals and get rid of the drug dealers here in America. They have harmed our kids. Remember, (if you can) it is the youth of America that will be governing this great country in the future. And you approve of this? Give me a break and get the hell out of here. I have no room in my life for people like you that think drugs are the epitome of a good and healthy life.

          • Claire

            Robert Smith– Nanny state? As far as I am concerned, the subject of illegal drugs has nothing to do with a “nanny state.” It has everything to do with the subversion of Americans. It is nothing but another way to destroy the youth of America. And buster, when it comes to the ruination of our youth, that is where I draw the line. Any person with half a brain can see and know what these drugs are doing to the people that partake.

          • Claire

            Robert Smith–Have you ever seen a person in real life that was/is on meth? I have also edited books on drugs–meth is horrible. Their teeth literally rot out of their heads. Their skin,their hair becomes an abomination. The body literally turns against itself, just like some of the other drugs you seem to be all “for.” I ask you why in the world would any sane person do this to themselves? Why would you ever support the legalization of these brain- and body-killing drugs?
            I will tell you this in all honesty–when I was in my early 20s I had a chance to smoke pot/weed. I didn’t because I was SCARED of what it would/could do to my brain!! Call it silly, stupid, innocent, whatever you like but I am thankful to the good Lord above that I did not do it. I do not need a crutch to enjoy my life. I look around me and see this wonderful earth, the people that I love, my friends, the sky, the stars, the trees, the wildlife, my flowers, my dogs, the magnificence of America (in spite of the chaos), and I thank God I am still a part of it. Yes, I am probably being melodramatic, but I am becoming older, and I treasure every moment. I do not need to hurry up and end my life by supporting the legalization of drugs or in “doing” drugs, nor do I want my fellow man/woman to become drug addicts.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Claire,
            It’s good you bring up LSD or acid. I can store up in the fat cells. Say a guy has a bad trip doesn’t like it and signs off all drugs for the rest of his life becomes an airline pilot and is very successful. then one day he decides he’s getting a little too much of a middle and starts going to the gym to loose weight. He has a flight, gets up at about 10,000 feet and has another trip as it has been released from the fat cells in his body and 300 people lose their lives because he did acid ONE time in his life!!! Protecting us from ourselves?? I’ll do a good job of protecting me from myself, I expect the government to protect me from the druggies of the United States!!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Excuse the mistype, it should read IT can store up in the fat cells!

          • Claire

            JoeH–No need to apologize about the typos–I make them myself. I have always heard that about LSD/acid. A person can go for years and then all of a sudden they have a “flare-up.” And then look out!! They don’t know what they are doing when it happens. Scary.

          • Claire

            Robert Smith–I disagree. Do you even remember how horrible looking these people became? Ugly as sin and you use them for an example? Just because they appeared to get “by” with doing drugs? Look at Keith Richards? He looks like a wrinkled, wizened old monkey. David Bowie and Mick Jagger? They are skinny as heck and look anorexic. Sure, they “appear” to be doing okay, but did you ever stop and think that maybe these people are “high” all the time? Forget it. I am not impressed with these people nor the people you mentioned in your post. I listen to Limbaugh from time to time and he has begun to stutter a lot. I do not and will never condone the use of any of these drugs, let alone legalize them.

          • Granny Mae

            Oh boy do you need to watch the news every night just to see the stars that have not only lost their lives but have screwed their lives up forever. John Belushi and River Pheonix to start with and look at all the young women in the news lately that have destroyed their lives at this time ! Legalizing drugs is assinine !

          • Granny Mae

            I can also tell you from experience that the LSD business is something you don’t want to have to deal with. I have a son that we adopted and he got into drugs when he was about 14. One afternoon when he was in his 20′s he had a sudden bout with a flash back from LSD and it was not a pleasent thing to watch. He was begging me to help him and there was nothing I could do ! I have had to live with this young man and his drug doing and dealing for years and it is the mo9st distructive thing in the world. Those that are into it don’t need it to be legalized they get it and do it anyway. They have no trouble getting what they want. I know of a young woman that is on food stamps and she trades her food stamp card to the dealer for her drugs! He children go hungry ! Don’t tell me to turn her in because I have already done that and it did no good ! They know all the ins and outs on how to deal with all that ! I say NO to legalizing drugs ! Period !

          • Granny Mae

            I will tell you the only thing that ever stopped my son from using drugs was a stint in one of the worst prisons in our state ! It scared him to death. He had gone to jail many times for drugs and drug related charges over the years but it all seemed a joke to him and he felt he could do his time with no problem. On his last trip to jail he got hurt playing basketball and in order to repair his knee they would have to transfere him to this prison because that is where they had the facilities and doctors to do the work. As soon as he got there he came up against a man that made him know he could and would kill him if he so desired ! He even told him how he could get away with it and where they would put his body and just how the prison would explain his disapearence to his family ! That scared him and he spent his last 3 months in that place and decided he was not going to do anything to ever get sent back there again ! That is what finally got him out of the drugs ! I had sent him to drug rehab several times and nothing worked until this time in the prison ! I thank God that he was not hurt in there and also that it finally got through to him. Now he has a good job and is doing well ! Praise God !

      • Bruce D.

        I have never advocated people going to jail for taking drugs. I prefer a forced drug reabilitation program lasting only as long as is necessary to complete the program. I would like to see sellers get longer sentences. Those selling to minors life in prison-no exception. I appreciate you replying to my blog but don’t put words in my mouth.

        • Robert Smith

          Bruce D. says: >>>I prefer a forced drug reabilitation program lasting only as long as is necessary to complete the program.<<<

          Most times such doesn't work any better than trying to "rehabilitate" gays. In other words, it DOES NOT work.

          Literally people DIE for their drugs. To think that they can be rehabilitated starts at nieve and goes to just plane silly from there.

          That doesn't deny the fact that some folks do kick drugs, including alcohol, but that's actually relatively rare.

          What we need to do rather than being a nanny state is allow junkies to work at jobs that won't have a potential to hurt others and let them be. After all, that's what Rush Limbaugh was able to do. Although he does hurt lots of others it's not because of his drug use.

          Rob

          Rob

          • Jana

            Robert,
            After you said all of that, you still want to legalize drugs?

          • Robert Smith

            Yes Jana, for adults in America we should be able to decide for ourselves. After all, isn’t it the “nanny state” that the far right doesn’t want?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            What the heck do illegal drugs have to do with government handouts? Way too much lib kool aid! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver samurai

        Users are losers and losers are users, so don’t do drugs! If a person says they need a fix to get through the day, I’ll show you a waste of skin. Robert is pushing this point so hard, he must either be doning drugs or doing business for one of the cartels. Get over the drugs thing. It isn’t going to happen. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Granny Mae

          samurai,

          You are so right. Either he is doing drugs himself or he is selling them. He sure can’t have a loved family member that is hooked on them or he wouldn’t say the things he does. Drugs don’t just effect the person using them they effect everyone around you including strangers that happen across their path while they are under the influence. There was a young man that use to live across the street from me that was and probably still is heavy into drugs. His father was a WWII hero and had been given the bronze star. When he died this young man took that bronze star and sold it for money to buy drugs ! How disgusting !

          • http://naver samurai

            Thanks Granny! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Robert

    There is no such thing as an Illegal Immigrant. Either they are a criminal here illegally or they are an immigrant. Arrest the criminals and help the immigrants to find work and be productive so they are not a drain on society. END OF PROBLEM!!!!!

    • marvin

      Robert the problem is liberals try saying stuped things like it,s not criminal to be illegal or as nepolitano said it,s not illegal to be undocumented ,try not paying a traffic ticket, and see if illegal an,t criminal

    • Jana

      Robert,
      Have you ever lived in a border town? Well I have. I have had the experience of walking through groups of illegals just to go to the grocery store and had to ask for help to leave that store.
      I have had the experience of having my home robbed. I have had the experience of my daddy’s store being broken into at night and burlarized. We also had illegals living on the roof of my daddy’s business and pottying outside of his back door.
      We would go into the dressing rooms of clothing stores to smell such a stench where the illegals went in and used the dressing rooms for bathrooms.
      The people living in Laredo are living in fear right now because of the GANGS.
      No one minds immigrants, but when they come in this country illegally, then they are illegals! Sure they want a better way of life, but in Mexico if its not tied down its gone, and they come over here and do the same thing.

  • patrick

    STOP!! Read this: ok so we pay and promote these illegals to come into the US, they work their asses off doing the hard labor most Americans refuse to do. Then we pay them the same benefits most Americans could get from out Gov’t, ie: S.S., welfare, medicade, housing, food, transportation, etc etc. Then they breed like rabbits producing American children, millions and millions, and now that we allowed them to be legal Americans, our Gov’t has now made a commitment to support them in any way for the rest of their lives. Just try to begin adding up all these present and future costs? Hint it will be in the Trillions!!! OK now look at what companies pay these people, say $ 5 to $10 hour for their labor.All we ever hear is this: if we had to pay union wages, say $30 to$50 per hour, a head of lettuce would cost us $5 to $10 for a head of lettuce! So all us greedy Americans just let the illegals and companies slide through the system so we don’t have to pat high prices for produce. NOTICE: if you add up all the welfare costs for illegals you will see that a $10 bill for a head of lettuce is a whole of hell of a lot cheaper than we the people will end up paying for their health, education, food, transportation, Social Security etc etc. SIMPLE- get rid of every illegal person don’t matter if they are Mexican, Somali, Muslim, Arab, Italian, German or whatever, GET THEM OUT OF MY COUNTRY!!!

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Patrick… You make a good point. While we oust all the illegals, we need to get rid of the unions, too. That would solve a multitude of problems!

    • Bill van Roden

      I heartily agree with above comment on ILLEGALS ! I always thoughtILLEGAL meant against the LAW> ? ! If I steal from you, is it O.K. if I am an ILLEGAL ??Send them all back and go after employers who bring or entice them here !!!

  • Jud

    Just every State lies about how much or what kind of welfare, food stamps and housing assistance are given to illegal immigrants, and their anchor babies are the bread winners. The more babies they have the more they collect.They don’t over run the hospitals because there are clinic’s that the government & state taxpayers fund to give illegals free healthcare. Meanwhile the men are working, not paying into the system SS etc. / and sending money to Mexico and other countries.

  • TIME

    And This would shock who again?

    Its obvious to anyone with even the most basic amounts of gray matter this is the norm for Calie Boxer, Pigosee, Waxman, Finestine, and Stark , hey lets not forget NY too, where the Winner lives, and how about that Chucky Schumer, and what about old Hillery Clinton, and can I just get me a Rangle please.
    How about Massachewsit the state of total crazy behavior, can you say Jerkoff KERRY, Killer Kennedys, and lets not forget Duh Franks.

    And not far off in the distance is ConnitUcut, home of the masterful Bend over Dodd, plus I will steel your future Liberman, so I ask who elects these buffoons time after time, oh thats it the Dorks that can’t think out of the DEMOCRATO box.
    You know the real OPEN MINDED people with schools like Yale, Harvard, Dartmouth, Cornballel.

    Wow such power houses of knowledge. Just look at what the produce for products, can I just get me a Damm thats something.

    • Robert Smith

      Awwwww Time, you seem to think the problem is in part Barny Frank’s actions.

      Let’s deal with some facts. Do you remember what they are?

      Here is what Barny Frank actually did when Reagan was giving illegals amnisty: >>>This is why in 1986 I was one of the strongest supporters of the legislation that made it specifically illegal to hire people who came here illegally, and imposed sanctions against employers who hired people.<<>>But I do acknowledge that this has not worked very well.<<>>Partly it has been because employers have had their own powerful economic incentives to avoid this and have on the whole refused to cooperate with the law. Part of it has been a lack of enforcement, with the previous administration being particularly lax in this
      regard.<<<

      Yup, it didn't work because the Republicans let big business get away with it.

      For the complete reality of Barny Frank's position on immigration you can go to: http://www.house.gov/frank/letters/constituents/2009/immigration-letter.pdf

      Rob

      • http://?? Joe H.

        check out where he actually voted during the Bush years!!!

  • http://gmail i41

    Any surprise, look at what the illegal Onumnutts has cost the USA, and is still costing the taxpayer. Go to any county and see what the illegals cost for hospital delivery bills, school costs, extra teacher costs, and what morons want to spend to have kids, all speak Spanish or any other language, instead of English. The niggardly socialist democrat party!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      i41,
      They should go to Mexico and see what the costs for those services are! ZERO, ZIP, NADA!!! Illegals in Mexico are sent to jail, deported or shot!!!

  • Joyce from Loris

    First of all, I do not think that the 14th Amendment states that EVERY baby born on American soil is automatically an American.
    Second, this idea that the mexicans get paid $5 dollars an hour and does the work that Americans will not do is outrageous. I just left Castlewood, VA, where they are building a power plant. 1800 jobs were created. The company only hired 600 from the immediate area, which has an unemployment rate of around 14%. The other 1200 positions were filled with people bought in from other areas. 800 were mexicans!!! They have to have two safety meetings, one in English and the other in spanish, because the mexicans can’t speak English. These mexicans make more than $20 an hour. Do you think that this is work that Americans don’t want to do? This is all propagander from the liberals. We travel 12 states, and all the road projects funded by the American Recovery Act are manned by mexicans. And it is not just the mexicans. Our own government provides tax breaks to companies who hire people from other countries!! The Russians come to the beach in our area to work during the summer, taking jobs from the local youngsters, and the government provides TAX BREAKS TO THEM. Any foreign student gets a $20,000 grant to go to college, via our own government!!

    We have to end welfare in this country, period. I lived before welfare was invented, and know that people can make it on their own. If we end welfare, you will see the welfare people fighting for jobs, they will do anything to take care of their multitudes of children. The illegal aliens will retreat back over the border to their own country. My friend works in the SS office. She told me a story about an illegal alien applying for and GETTING welfare checks. She said the woman danced around the office, laughing and saying “I love America! Free money!” My friend wanted to shoot her, but our own government provided the laws concerning this. My friend is required by law to give this illegal alien our money, and she hates it.

    • marvin

      Joyce from Loris i agree i travel the roads to and new shopping malls half the worker on i10 repave were mexican on hy 2 same thing,when building the new target store mall all the brick layers were mexican

    • http://naver samurai

      You’re right Joyce! The 14th Amendment only delt with children that were born to former slaves and not the illegals we have these days. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Likely_Suspect

    Invasion by birth canal.

  • cporter

    To i41
    See all you can do is stoop low to call names..im sure someone has a negative name for you also.. folks like you ought
    to be sent out with the illegals as well
    Again nothing is as easy about throwing millions of people out all at once….if they all dissappered tomorrow you might be crying about the loss of revenue for your business,the addition housing voids that would be left behind.The economic impact would be devastating many other kinds of ways.
    You can wack the head off of snake and it still has a wiggling effect
    and can still bite and kill.

    But you know you last statement of your comment tells me that you have a brain that functions on hate..so matter, what you cannot possibly have the ability to contribute to the solution of anything.

    • marvin

      cporter so what is your ansure do nothing you are a moron and only get the tingel when a liberal saz oh the illegals [sorry] undocumented are all sweet famly loving hard worker that only want to get by they pay there taxes and rent with 15 to a house and ss why hell there is 7 billion in illegal ss benefits they can not draw out just look at how great that will be for retires never mind it cost 50 billion a year to feed and house and school illegals and 50 billion is on the low side more like 400 billion it total cost hell i get all fuzzie and just glow at all the money the illegals are saving us don,t you elstupo

    • Joyce from Loris

      You need to go to Operation Wetback, and see what Eisenhower did back in the 50′s when illegal aliens were a problem then as well. He deported them, and it can be done today. Talk about a employment opportunity! Everyone will be applying for those jobs, to round up the criminals that have invaded America, and is raping our country of it’s money!! It could be done in a matter of days, if the courts and the government would allow us to follow our OWN LAWS. There is a law on the books that was adopted in 1952 that states it is illegal to house, employ, feed or provide water to illegal aliens and anyone that does so is to be punished by the law. Well, our government FORCES our states to break their own laws by forcing them to feed, house, employ illegal aliens. Check it out

    • http://naver samurai

      Son, you are either a whacked out left wing extremist, sheeple, or an illegal yourself, which one is it? Actually if they all went back, the economy would improve by Americans working, buying the houses, and forcing companies to pay a fair livable wage. In what ways would this be bad for you? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • M.L.

    Now our dumb congress thru Harry wants to immediately legalize the children with two years of college and or serve in the military two years (probably a desk job or something else to keep them out of action and please their parents for a vote)The little unsaid thing is they will probably have to keep their parents here to be with their children. How convenient. And there lies the voting block he needs so badly.

  • libra

    RULES FOR RADICALS–OVERWHELM THE SYSTEM. IN 10 YEARS THE MEXICANS WILL BE HALF OF THE USA POPULATION. THIS HAS TO STOP AND WE NEED THE POWERS THAT BE TO SECURE THE BORDERS.. IT IS IN THE CONSTITUTION. OBAMA SHOULD BE TRIED FOR CRIMES AND HIGH TREASON FOR THE WAY HE HAS TRAMPLED THE CONSTITUTION. HE MAY FIND THE POPULACE TRAMPLING THE GRAPES OF WRATH.. HOOVER,TRUMAN AND EISENHOWER HAD NO PROBLEM OF REMOVAL OF ILLEGAL ALIENS SO OUR OWN CITIZENS WOULD HAVE JOBS. OPERATION WETBACK. IT NEEDS TO BE REPEATED.. IF THE ILLEGAL ALIENS KNEW WE WERE SEROUS AND ABOUT TO START OPERATION WETBACK–THEY WOULD SELF DEPORT. SHALL WE ALL BE SPEAKING SPANISH? WHAT DO WE OWE THESE PEOPLE? THEY ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM WHICH IS OUR ENTITLEMENT SYSTEM.. WE NEED TO RID THE USA OF THIS GENERATIONAL WELFARE ENTITLEMENT TO FOREIGNERS WHO DO NOT CONTRIBUTE BUT ONLY TAKE.

  • marvin

    there was a moron on cspan saying the illegal have payed around 7 billion in to ss and and would never get to draw it and that it would help the old people like me damm a whole 7 billion im rich, less see to pay in to ss you need a ss card but you are here illegally, so how do you pay ss less see,is it you have stoled a ss card # ,an,t that a federal offence like bank robbery,so an illegal works at a job he/she should not have, illegally pays in to a ss account that is not his/hers have 7 or 8 kids that are paid for by the american tax payer in texas alone over 500,000 babies born to illegals at say $10,000 per child, hospital bill, what is that 500 million not paid ,no the tax payers pay it, now that cheap labor an,t so cheap, this is every state,and the liberals and the illegals think we the american people owe them, and we do, a free bus ride or jail then a free bus ride out off my country

  • Ryan

    I don’t think we need to explain why we do not support amnesty. It’s our right, as American citizens, to voice our opinions. Yes, I do believe that they do have a significant impact on how much money they drain from our welfare programs! Many people would have you believe that illegal aliens only work the jobs nobody else wants. Well I’m here to call their bluff! It’s a lie! I have been laid off for the past 9 months. I am an HVAC assistant technician & I’ve also been an electrical apprentice. I recently had an employer tell me,” You have to understand son,these Mexicans,Guatamalans,etc. are willing to work for half of your wages. I understand that your asking for a reasonable amount of money but I can get 2 sometimes 3 of them for the same amount of money that it would cost me to hire you!” Then I told him that I could not pay my house,light,water,etc. bills unless I made a certain amount of money. Then he said,” I know son, that’s cause they live in a house with 5-15 people & send the majority of their money home to their families”. So the next time somebody tries to say that these illegals are spending all their money in our economy you know it’s a lie. Why do you think all the Central American countries fight so hard for us to continue allowing the illegals in our country,& why do you think they don’t want us securing our borders? It’s because they are piggy backing off our dollar!If they felt so strongly about Open border policies then why is it they have such strong policies against immigration & Open Border Policies?

  • http://msn Kerri

    the 14th ammendment was never ment to make citizens of the children of visitors or illegals. It was ment for the desendants of adult freed slaves so that their children would have the right of citizenship. Therefore the children of illegals are not citizens….as in period. It’s time to get back to the Constitution as it was written. Our country has deported milliomns of illegals in the past so Pres. Obama can’t say with any truth that we just can’t deport millions of illegals. Well, why not? The money we would save on welfare benefits would more than pay for the project.

  • cporter

    To Marvin,i never said i did nt agree that all illegal aliens should be sent back to their prospective countries.
    My question is how do you do it?
    We would have never had this problem had this administration and mostly the adminstrations of the recent past enforced the laws on illegal immiration.
    Had we fined and maybe even jailed some of the companies and individuals who hired them in the first place that would have lessened the incentive for them to come here.
    Had we not offered them free education and health care that would have lessened their incentive to come here
    Had we not given them loans to buy houses and cars and let them use made up s/s/numbers that wouldd have lessened their incentive to come here
    In a way we, you or who ever allowed it to go on.
    This did nt just happen overnight this has been going on for a long time
    stop with the right,left,liberal wackjob and rightwing nutjob crap.
    This crap has been allowed from each administration nither one is going to do much about it soon.
    The most effective way is to stop the gooose from laying the golden eggs for the illegal immigrants and they will have to look elsewhere.
    But im afraid the Pandoras box has been opened and once you let something out of the Pandoras box it s next to impossible to put it all back in….kinda like nuclear weapons.

  • M.L.

    You are right of course Libra, but you forgot to mentikon that during the 1970ties we deported 10mil mexicans. Suddenly they say we can’t very well deport 12mil. WHY Not? Obvious answer, they don’t want to. Moreover did you know that LaRaza is gets millions from the gov. and is in on all immigration meetings. No other nationality has that status. And to you CPORTER, the country did not collapse when that deportation took place. I have come to the realization that this gov is out to destroy this country. And the person that asked “Will we have to speak Mexican.” the answer is a definitely. Just check your TV, your phone, store sign,etc.

  • M. Sadiq

    Welfare payments to children of illegal immigrants in Los Angeles County increased to $52 million in July, a total that represents 23 percent of the county’s entire welfare and food stamp assistance, the news provider reported. Projections show that the aid toward children of illegal immigrants will exceed $600 million this year, approximately $30 million more than the county spent last year. This is just ONE STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!

    NOW – Obama and Reid have added the “DREAM AMNESTY ACT” onto the Defense Bill to be voted on in DAYS!

    A controversial bill like this has no business being put inside a Defense bill, regardless of how they may feel about the amnesty itself.

    At present, it looks like there won’t be a direct vote on the amnesty, requiring Senators to stop the whole Defense bill and force leaders to bring a new, clean bill back to the floor.

    SENATE SWITCHBOARD — 202-224-3121

    PHONE YOUR SENATOR TO VOTE ‘NO’
    – OR DREAM AMNESTY WILL PASS NEXT WEEK!

  • M.L.

    Just a small addition, Remember Oboma said during his speeches when he was running –”NEVER MIND THE MEXICANS SPEAKING ENGLISH, YOU SHOULD BE TEACHING YOUR CHILDREN SPANISH.” In the senate he voted against the American language to be put on the books twice. I rest my case.

  • Allan

    It is called “Strategic Colonization”
    Politicians have “under the table” deals with certain countries and therefore, ignoring the so called invasion is part of the package.
    They have already sold the “Land” piece by piece throughout the past few decades. I wouldn’t be surprise if they already have diplomatic asylum from their business partners. Clark Kent… where the hell is your blue suit?!?

  • cporter

    To M.L.no to be honest…something i think more us should be doing.
    I am not aware that 10 million illegals were deported during the 70S
    Tell me a little more about that.
    Iam aware that there was a huge deportation under the either the
    Roosevelt or Truman adminstration.
    And no we should not have to speak Spanish,i have less of a chance of
    getting jobs down here in Houston due to that fact.
    I also hate getting instruction phamplets and such thatare 20 pages
    long because they are written in several languages

  • M.L.

    I lived in Texas for nine years and came back east six years ago. During that period I went thnrough a tough period and tried to get a job in Bealls dept. store. I was told it was a fat chance due to the fact that I did not speak Spanish. weeks later I went there to buy something and had to use sign language to the clerk to ask for what I needed. So in that particular area I was the one that felt like the illegal. However I will say the legal hispanics that lived there are wonderful people. Even they had trouble with the illegals.

  • http://none draper b. gregory

    Dear friends: It really feels good reading your commentaries. The level of awareness is ever increasing The day of the PROFESSIONAL POLITICIAN
    is fast approaching its END. In its place will arise a STATESMANSHIP
    mentality, and we can ultimately achieve this by TERM LIMITS. This will take the benefit out of our government promotion of illegals. There is a REVOLUTION at hand.We can DO IT! It just take a focused effort which we can do by the VOTE. If our elected officials fail to do what we endorsed them to do in the first place, then initiate a formal law suit against them for failure of consideration. If some feel that there is no law authorizing this course of action, then PROVIDE THE LAW. It will work. The national media will certainly wake up to this in spades.

    Groups like the Tea Party Movement are encouraging. We shall see. But don’t let others do it folks. Either join or create your own movement with the same or similar goals. Remember the mission and do not be taken in by the slick appearance and smooth dialogue of our elected officials. They all have their own personal agenda.
    All the best. Draper Gregory

  • M.L.

    TO CPORTER, ROOSEVELT AND TRUMAN BOTH DEPORTED JAPANESE RESIDENTS, BOTH LEGAL ALIENS AND CITIZENS AFTER THE ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR. EISENHOWER DEPORTED 80,000 DURING OPERATION WET BACK CAUSING 700,000 TO 1MIL. TO FLEE. DURING FDR’S PRESIDENCY 400,000 WERE DEPORTED DURING THE GREAT DEPRESSION. DURING THE 1970TIES, RELATIONS GREW TENSE BECAUSE OF MISTREATMENT OVER 600 AMERICAN PRISIONERS IN MEXICAN JAILS, THAT WERE BEING BEATEN AND TORTURED DAILY, FORCING US TO MAKE AN EXCHANGE OF MANY MORE MEXICANS FOR THE SIX HUNDRED PRISONERS. NOT TOO FAR AFTER THAT CARTER MADE A STATEMENT THAT WE HAVE INTIRELT TOO MANY ILLEGAL MEXICANS IN IN OUR COUNTRY. A RARE STATEMENT FOR A LIBERAL. I REMEMBER THAT THE MASS DEPORTATION OF 10MIL.HAPPENED A FEW YEARS LATER. HOWEVER I WILL HAVE TO REFER TO THE BOOKS AGAIN AS TO EXACTLY UNDER WHICH ADMINISTRATION IT ACTUALLY TOOK PLACE. THANKS FOR ASKING.

    • Robert Smith

      From M.L.: >>>RELATIONS GREW TENSE BECAUSE OF MISTREATMENT OVER 600 AMERICAN PRISIONERS IN MEXICAN JAILS,<<<

      If they are drug dealers or violent offenders let them rot.

      If they are are in simply political or BS "crimes" send the Army in to get them out.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        The army sure doesn’t want them either! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Pro American Citizen

    The 14 Ammendment was for the babies born to the freed slaves, NOT the Freaking Illegals!

    Anybody that doesn’t “get it” is a DD@mn Moron!!!!!

    Nowhere else in the WORLD does this kind of crap take place.

    • Robert Smith

      From Pro American Citizen: >>>Nowhere else in the WORLD does this kind of crap take place.<<<

      Maybe you should go there…

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Maybe you should go there too. Take your illegal drugs with you.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          samurai,
          He’s talking out of both sides of his mouth! notice above he said that if the prisoners were druggies let them rot!!! Yet he railed against the government putting druggies in jail and the “nanny” state!! I guess it’s ok if it’s in another country and Americans are jailed!! I’m about to start ignoring this crap head!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            I don’t know about crap head, but he does sound like he’s strung out on something. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Get it right, Joe H.: >>>He’s talking out of both sides of his mouth! notice above he said that if the prisoners were druggies let them rot!!!…<<<

            Apparently you don't know the difference between a violent drug dealer killing folks all over the place and someone having a joint in front of the fireplace after a good meal.

            Please quit making stuff up.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, whether the person is violent or not, it is still ILLEGAL! What part of ILLEGAL don’t you understand? No drugs! Let’s take a bite out of crime! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Jana

            By the way Robert, you do realize that every time you buy that stuff you are supporting these cartels in Mexico.These cartels are evil and you support that!

            Also, you never know what they are using to cut that stuff with. Sometimes they use poison, sometimes they mix other substances with it to make it go further. All of these substances can and generally do have severe side effects. Whether you realize it or not, some of those side effects are already showing on you in your writing. I was truly wondering why you were sounding like two different people, now I know. When you have smoked your joint you sound different, and its not a nice different either.

  • M.L.

    tO PRO.AMERICAN, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. bUT NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF AMERICA, DID WE EVER HAVE A GOVERNMENT THAT INSPITE OF THE MURDERS OF AMERICANS, THEY WOULD SUE AN AMERICAN AND DISMISS THE CONSTITUTION ON BEHALF OF THE ILLEGAL MEXICANS, EVEN HILLARY CLINTON SAID TO THE MEXICANS “THERE ARE NO ILLEGALS HERE”. THE LONGER THEIR IN OFFICE THE MORE OF OUR COUNTRY WE LOSE.

  • Karolyn

    My position has always been that Mexico should take care of its people. Nobody talks about that; and that is where the problem lies. It seems as though the administrations do not want to anger Mexico, and i don’t understand why. Bush was downright buddies with the Mexican president; I guess because of his living in Texas. Why does no one point any fingers at Mexico?

    • a progressive nightmare

      Karolyn, What good would it do, we have no control over Mexico, however, we do have control over who we elect. So let;s busy electing REAL AMERICANS to serve REAL AMERICANS and then deport these illegal invaders from our country.

  • Dr. Mabuse

    Ol’ Ike had a good idea with Operation Wetback, but I can hear the howls of the “Politically Correct” sector of the populace already.
    While were at it we might as well get all the illegal Russian Jews, the Armenians,the Chinese, and Nigerians. (I speak of LA in particular, because its a stronghold for all of them.) Once upon a time in Rome, citizenship had to be earned, perhaps we should follow their example and like a driver’s license, citizenship should be a privilege, not a right.

    • Robert Smith

      From Dr. Mabuse: >>> Once upon a time in Rome, citizenship had to be earned, <<<

      Rome had a lot of good things going for it. The empire lasted almost 800 years. They had great acqueducts, sewer system, roads, army, etc.

      Then the dark ages when…

      Oh well.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Rome started to rot away when it left its system of morals behind and went with more liberal ideas. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • M.L.

    HOW TRUE. HOW TRUE!!!!!!!!!!

  • Dee

    In 1986, the illegal immigrants were given amnesty and the government said there would be NO MORE amnesties. Ha, you can’t believe a thing this damn government says.
    These illegal immigrants are costing this country a fortune. They say they aren’t getting social services, don’t believe it.

    • Robert Smith

      Hi Dee,

      Remember when Ronald Reagan was the 40th President of the United States, from 1981-1989?

      Look what happened!: >>>In 1986, the illegal immigrants were given amnesty and the government said there would be NO MORE amnesties.<<<

      Looks like that REAGAN was the problem. IF you don't want to put responsibility on THAT President then don't squawk about Obama.

      Rob

      • s c

        RS, you have much in common with Al ‘duh’ Gore. However, having your head rammed up your hoohah is not an asset. What makes you think a president can ignore Congress and/or the Supreme Court? What makes you think a president can do whatever he wants whenever it’s convenient?
        No president is a government unto himself. If Reagan had as much power as you claim, then the only mistake(s) he made was in not having every progressive neutered, easy retirements for career criminals in Congress stopped and finding ironclad ways to know that the ‘government’ never got a chance to go back on its useful idiot, traitorous “word.” Grow up, putz.
        If you need to spend time on a soapbox, go to Hyde Park in London on any Sunday. They’ll laugh your lame ass out of England.

        • Robert Smith

          s c…

          Amnesty was still a thing on Reagan’s watch.

          If you don’t blame Reagan then shut up about Obama.

          Or is it that old right wing double standard again?

          Rob

          • Jana

            Robert,
            Reagan isn’t President any more, in fact he died. We have the problem NOW that is called OBAMA, and NO we don’t want to shut up about it.

            At first I thought you had some good common sense but the more you talk the more you are proving you don’t.

          • http://naver samurai

            I agree with you Jana! The one thing I have to say is, how do you expect a lib to have common sense? Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • ChuckL

        It seems that Reagan was followed by a Democrat who failed or refused to enforce the “keep out” laws that accompanied the Reagan amnesty.

        You have a choice, either acknowledge that Obama is responsible for what has happened on his watch, and don’t forget that he increased TARP from Bush’s grossly excessive $750 Billion to over $900 Billion before he came up with the $3 Trillion plus “Destroy the Country” spending spree. OR, Stop blaming everything on his predecessor.

        • Robert Smith

          From ChuckL: >>>It seems that Reagan was followed by a Democrat who failed or refused to enforce the “keep out” laws that accompanied the Reagan amnesty. <<<

          I didn't realize that George H. W. Bush was a democrat.

          With your clear knowledge of history it's easy to see why the extreme right is so screwed up.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            He’s talking about Hillary, ooops! I mean Bill Clinton! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • M.L.

    the children of the illegals number more than two million. Then good old harry will keep the extended family here, afterall the children can’t stay here alone. how about we throw good old harry across the border and tell the mexicans they have to legalize him in their country. just think how much fun it would to deliver the intire congress to mexico.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      M.L.,
      Just congress?? How about all of Washington!!!! I would love to see howling sanfran Nan when we deport her to Mexico!!! WITHOUT HER MILLIONS!!!! Immagine her without make-up!!! UGH!!!!!!!!

  • ChuckL

    This argument that the Constitution grants citizenship to anyone born on United States soil is a fairly recent Court decision that is not supported by the Constitution. This idiotic decision would make any child of an American who was born out of country the citizen of the country in which the child was born. Not only is this an asinine court ruling which should be overturned when it is again presented in court, it is also ridiculously expensive, and it amounts to theft of children. This makes the United States of America a kidnapper

    The 14th Amendment has a qualifying clause in the same sentence which is used to grant this citizenship by kidnapping. The clause is “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,”. Children are generally presumed to be subject to the same jurisdiction as their parents, except in this sole instance.

    I will not claim to be absolutely correct on this, but I should not be surprised to find that this interpretation was made in the 1960′s for the sole purpose of angering Fidel Castro. The financial backfire was obviously never anticipated.

  • stewiegriffin

    How much do we spend on units to control mexican gangs here in the united states I’d say there isn’t enough left for their offspring we’ve already spent it on gang control !

  • Howard Roark

    The US Supreme Court ruled in 1872 that the 14th amendment does not apply to children of foreign citizens born in the US. the case is “Slaughterhouse cases, 83 U.S 16 wall. 36 36 (1872).” This decision for the first time (and only time) Explains the meaning of the 13th and 14th Amendments.

    On page 83 U.S. 73 the decision describes the paragraph of the 14th Amendment that says,”All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.”

    The court ruled that the phrase,”Subject to its jurisdiction” Was intended to exclude from its operation Children of citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.” (among others)

    Pull up this decision on your search engine: as you look at the various sites that come up you will quickly notice that Liberals hate this decision. they constantly argue that it has to be overturned. you see it has never been overturned.

  • Howard Roark

    The Court also ruled in the slaughterhouse decision that the 14th Amendment applies principally to blacks. (the newly freed slaves and their decendants for time eternal)

    The vast number of US citizens are not 14th amendment citizens. Liberals want you to believe that you are a 14th amendment citizen as you would then be under the jurisdiction of the Federal Government.

  • http://gmail i41

    We watched as Whorehound Clinton didn’t enforce the fininf of employers of illegals and now the illegals are not deported. But our border patrol cann’t travel out on federal land to gather the drug runners and crooks. Why becasue the enior nut smucks od the socialist democrat party are telling everyone the border patrol might run over a rattlesnake. But the dumb bastards at BLM and all other puke agencies post signs it is too dangerous to venture out into. Border Patrol can only go on private land, a lot of diconnect, ya think. Pull up a map of federal owned land west of the Missiouri River and see why there is such a influx of illegals, the democrats have stopped the public from going out into wild lands unless it is walking and horse back. Most of simple minded beltway pukes that write up the rules and regs are pavement pounders. The easist way to keep an eye on prperty is to sell it off to follow the same process as when home steading wa put in to effect, same goes for reservations. Go see how many illegals are right on or in the reservations, same thing all are wards of the government anyway, just what the marxist democrats want. Want to get rid of the gang banging slugs, gather up and put them in fenced areas in the middle of the desert, at least 50 miles from civilazation, drill one well at the site and let them grow their food, put all ACLU slugs in with them and not contact for at least a year. We have cold areas that are also good areas to fence off for corrals to handle these pigs. This feel good air fairy understand crap is what tears us down, crawl the fence or if here and break the laws, none of this group hug and we all love you, I don’t and if had my way break laws and you would be breaking big rocks in to gravel 12 hours 7 days aweek. These scrots would go to sleep at night and hopefully learn to behave, Boot camps for real young one works quite well.

  • http://gmail i41

    Guess one way solve the problem is what is done in pet drop off, neuter and vacinate, get the offspring and the dam. And any mail arrested that is a fence jumper do the same. Gang banger on the spot settling down and maybe they can be productive on paying tax payers back the billions of welfare and healthcare costs. They want act like runaway animals, treat them as such.

    • Robert Smith

      From I41: >>>They want act like runaway animals, treat them as such.<<<

      Why just limit such anti-gang sentiment to illegal aliens? Not all criminals are hispanic.

      Joshua Komisarjevsky and Steven Hayes are excellent examples.

      Rob

      • Jana

        Robert,
        All gangs are bad, that is a given but we have been talking about illegals and gangs. Put it together. Maybe you ought to follow your own advice and shut up!

        • Claire

          Jana–I edited a manuscript on juvenile gangs a few months ago. You are correct when you said all gangs are bad. Gangs consist of various nationalities and the stuff I read was mindboggling. Talk about demented cruelty!! Gangs need to be done away with, for the safety of America. They are too powerful, they have multiplied in numbers as well as groups, and they are destroying our youth. Scary.

      • http://naver samurai

        Jana, hoooooooooooorrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaah! Well said! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! With people like rob here, our fight is far from over!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          samurai,
          Yeah, but if they are all intellect deficient as Roberto Smyth, we would have a much easier fight!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Point taken, fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Barbosa

    The Democratic party should be ashamed of themselves for what they are doing to the citizens of this Nation. They tend to get caught up in this power surge which only displays their weakness in character by allowing themselves to circumvent the laws of this Nation so as to fit their Polical agenda. It’s about votes, we seen this coming a long time ago. They know that they will not get the vote from the Citizens of this Nation, so they stoop to low down methods to get the votes, no matter how illegal it is to implement this. Now they seem to be turning to a different tune, Is this another change or more of the same. This administration is corrupt to the tee, and I didn’t drink the KOOL-AIDE the first time around, and the ones that did won’t do it again.Election time is coming soon, so suffer the results of your poor decisions, and deceptions you clearly used on WE THE PEOPLE. (AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS IS ILLEGAL) MR.President we know that you know this to be true.

  • Claire

    Sorry–this is on an issue concerning minimum wage–Here is Illinois Brady wants to lower the minimum wage–it is currently $8.25 per hour. How in the heck does he think this will help? There are plenty of people here that cannot make ends meet with the prices of food, gas, etc. I know a lot of people that have to work two jobs. They are not in debt, they are just trying to make a living.
    This state is already destitute and cannot even pay their bills. Illinois is paying only the “interest” on their bills. The politicians in this state should cut back on their fun and games and the perks they receive. They should drive their own cars, pay their own airfare, their hotel rooms, etc. They make sure they get their paychecks! And these politicians are not worth the salary they receive. They are the ones that should receive a pay cut. Immediately!

    • http://naver samurai

      OK, I know this is not Claire! Keep off of the site, moron! She doesn’t know who you are talking about. Leave now or we’ll make you limp on the way back to your boyfriends room. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver sook young

        Where does this person get $8.25 an hour as minimum wage? The minimum wage in Indiana is $6.50-$7.00 an hour. This person must be a liar and needs to really go back to a church. GOD BLESS AMERICA!

        • Claire

          sook young– I am not a liar. The minimum wage is $8.25 an hour here in Illinois. Check it out yourself. Church? Perhaps you should go to church yourself, especially since you jump to conclusions. And for your information I go to church and do believe in God. Don’t try to say otherwise.

      • Claire

        samurai—IT IS ME!! Yes, the minimum wage in Illinois is $ 8.25 per hour–it was passed 7-1-10.
        Thank God I got back on this site!! I got back on this site to post that Brady has retracted his statement. Brady does not want an increase nor does has he said anything about a decrease at this time.
        I had to update my comments.
        Thanks for standing up for me, it is appreciated. However, it is “me.”

        • Claire

          samurai–Bless your heart.

          • http://naver samurai

            I know it wasn’t you Claire. This fool wants to keep calling me someone’s name and I don’t know who this person he’s named is. I do know who this person who posts really is. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Claire

            samurai– No need to apologize, I understand how you feel. I would be upset too if someone was using my name. You and your wife have a wonderful day.

        • libertytrain

          Claire – poor Samurai has been hassled by an idiot so he’s probably not always sure who the real posters are and who is borrowing our names to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the left is not quite up to par in the smarts department.

          • Claire

            libertytrain–Why do people do this? Samurai does not deserve this garbage. I hate it when people do that. What is the point? Do they get their jollies from this type of crap? They probably do it to get everyone in an uproar. The idiots.

          • http://naver samurai

            Claire, if you were the one who posted before, ny wife and I apologize. If it wasn’t you, then the person better get ready for a fight. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • libertytrain

            Claire – it was one guy who came on here weeks and weeks ago promoting gay marriage – said he lives in Canada with his “husband” – he started off relatively ok then for some reason he’s become a case study in incredibly crazy leftist nut. I don’t know what he’s trying to prove other than some mental problem that has come to the surface. Bad gene-pool, I don’t know but the smartest thing anyone can do is just ignore him. He’s obvious in his posts as the same poster and they seem to get deleted each working day – so let it go and ignore them at least while they are temporarily up – You’ll feel better and so will Samurai – I don’t think it’s really anyone Samurai knows, it’s just Samurai was kind of anti-gay and this American-Canadian gay man has attached himself to him – he’s simply a good example of “sick” and mentally ill. Have pity on his screwed up brain.

  • http://gmail i41

    Minium wage was never meant for people to support a family. It was meant for a starting training wage. But socialist democrats think every swinging door knob needs the same pay as an experienced or ambisous worker. When a store stocker gets higher minium wage, it drives up costs on everything. A lot of starter positions are to findout if the kid will show up on time for work, or has the ability to be at work day after day. If the person can learn and show up or understand rules and what needs to be done he will get rewarded with higher pay. Worthless employees cost 2 times their wages, from paper work, finding a new hire, time wasted, and don’t start to pay the training time costs, no matter how simple for 6-9 months. Something the socialist democrats cann’t get their anal minds around because it is up their posteriors, and they have never created a job except wasting our taxpayer money.

  • third party

    AGAIN,the two party party paradigm fails this country,both party’s are useless shills for lobbyist.The dems want the vote,the repubs want the cheap labor.AS the two useless party’s pretend to solve a problem,they created is priceless.i41 IS CORRECT IN THE FIRST SENTENCE,MIN WAGE WAS NEVER A MEANS OF SUPPORTING A FAMILY,IT was a stepping point to begin a lively hood as a young adult.THE term itself should be followed.MINIMUM ” BEGINNING,STARTING POINT”

  • law man

    FIRST,THE LAW THAT IS BROKEN EVERY DAY,is only a misdemeanor,civil only a ticket,AMERICA needs to make it a felony for invading the country,in 93 country’s it’s imprisonment for 10 years or more,in 13 country’s,you would be accused of spying,death sentence,in 29 country’s you would be sent back within 24 hours.

  • Allan

    Here’s a good example of “taking kindness for fool”!
    Mag Whitman’s maid had a driver’s license, a social security card and credentials that prove her to be a legal US resident. After nine years of employment she blackmailed Mag Whitman to get her legalized once she leaned of Whitman’s candidacy for governor.
    This will actually strengthen Mag Whitman’s champagne haven been setup by her unappreciative maid, an opportunist lawyer and a flop politician who lie time after time just to collect retirement accounts.

  • Carol

    If Obama won’t do anything about illegal immigrants and the border, then HE should be paying for the cost of illegals, not the locals.

  • Allan

    Try to enter Mexico and stay there without a visa or document and demand welfare and health care. Better yet, start a gang and your own drug-Entrepreneurship and see how long you will last. Think they will asign you a public defender after you are arrested?

  • Allan

    I always believe that discrimination has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with Crappy things a group of people do and the shitty attitude they impose on others.
    Rob mentioned that not all Hispanics are criminals… of course not.
    Here’s a documented status: http://ofamerica.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/the-age-of-crimmigration-is-upon-us-latinos-new-majority-in-federal-prisons/

    I hope this alarming level will decrease soon.

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