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Welcome To The New Nazified Soviet Union Of America

December 16, 2011 by  

Welcome To The New Nazified Soviet Union Of America

In the days of the old Soviet Union, people considered enemies of the state could disappear at any time. Rarely would families learn the fate of their loved ones, who were shuttled off to gulags and tortured or simply shot in the head and deposited in a hole in the ground.

Americans rightly decried such actions and held America to a higher standard: a bastion of freedom. Who living then could have envisioned that such a thing would come to America?

But here we are. The passage of the National Defense Authorization Act has turned the U.S. into the USSR.

The bill authorizes the indefinite detention of American citizens without trial. We have become the USSR and Nazi Germany wrapped into one. The Constitution is shredded, the Bill of Rights nullified. There is bitter irony that it happens on the anniversary of the ratification of the Bill of Rights.

Some have been fooled into believing the bill does not apply to Americans. But as Congressman Justin Amash (R-Mich.) has pointed out, the wording is cleverly disguised doublespeak. Section 1032 says: “The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.” Read it again this way: “The requirement… does not extend to citizens of the United States,” meaning the detention is discretionary rather than required.

Who is foolish enough to think that a President who will assassinate an American without trial would not exercise this discretion? The President who campaigned on closing Guantanamo Bay will now have the authority to fill it up with Americans.

Co-sponsor Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) made clear what lawmakers have in mind when he said: “If you’re an American citizen and you betray your country, you’re not going to be given a lawyer.”

Supporters of the law say the President already had this authority and all the bill does is codify it into law.

Never mind the Constitution, Article III, Section 3 of which says: “No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.”

Our lawmakers tell us that no longer applies. The law is what they say it is, Constitution be damned.

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  • s c

    The world’s puppet masters must think their Russia vs. America experiment didn’t work out well enough. I guess they need more options. Now, they want to combine a long-ignored blend that is a USSR and Hitler’s Nazi hybrid.
    Since form must follow function (and Obummer is the #1 in-house decision-maker), the prez CAN’T distance himself from this bastardized, mutated monstrosity (will his ‘talents’ never end?).
    OK, who’s guilty today? Who’s guilty tomorrow? Who was guilty last week? I’m sure our media whores will gladly furnish master lists via all the news that’s fit to print.

    • Flashy

      Except that this provision is already being challenged in the courts by none other than the ACLU. You know…the one organization that everyone on this forum hates? the bastion of freedom and protector of the Constitution?

      Congress can make any law it chooses. The POTUS can sign any bill he/she chooses to sign. But whether it is allowable under the Consitution …that is for the courts to decide. If the Courts decide the Constution alows such dtainment, then under the interpretation given by the courts…we never had such Rights to begin with. (I am NOT saying we do not have such rights…far from it. I am making a point).

      i have no doubt whatsoever that when the unPatriotic Act was passed, when Padilla was taken into custody and tossed into jail to rot with counsel and interrogated, when the prisoners at Gitmo underwent torure and held without even their identities being known…i have no doubt whatsopever few posting here objected. i would guess some castigated anyone who dared raise issue with it.

      yet today, when some freak who has American citizenship, sitting in a foreign country, in the front lines actively participating in planning to attak us, when that freak is snuffed…y’all squeal and howl like a stiuck pig. But when our Rights and freedoms were actuively attacked in the 00′s…you laid over and didn’t even ask for vaseline to ease the pain.

      look back at those days you let fear rule your reasoning as you blithely allowed our Rights to be trampled. Who was fighting against those detentions and for our Rights? THE FRIPPIN’ LEFT ! And today you castigate the very ones who had the backbone and bravery to do what you would not.

      Think about that. Make ya proud?

      Me? If my Rep and Senator is being primaried…I don’t care what the opoenent stands for or says during the campaign…they get my vote. I am not voting for the incumbents. Will you say the same or is “your guy’ going to get your vote…the very same guy who is part of the problem we have today…

      • Donahue

        “Flashy”
        Senator Inhofe here in Oklahoma says this does not apply to American Citizens. Once this “door is opened, just a “tad bit”, we know what comes next… Doesn’t it always get wider and wider? We all know how the Government “changes” the meaning of words don’t we?

        • Flashy

          Which is why it is being challenged. Let’s see who else besides the ACLU challenges the provision in the courts. I note that so far those courts that have protected our rights have been from the courts holding judges placed there by Democratic administrations. Anyone think the current make up of the SCOTUS will rule for our Rights?

          • DaveH

            Perhaps, Flashy, you could back up your assertion that “so far those courts that have protected our rights have been from the courts holding judges placed there by Democratic administrations”.
            Here’s one example of the Obama administration judges who are working against our Gun Rights:
            http://gunowners.org/op03312011.htm

        • Sherrill

          Yes! I agree with you. It sets a precedent for further government control on its citizens. I don’t think they really think about the outcomes a particular bill can have further down the road, and about how a particular bill might seem benign at the time, but can be used in the future by someone who interprets the wording and uses it against the very citizens it was put in place to protect. Or perhaps it was in the play book the whole time?

          • carol

            Sherrill, THEY know exactly what THEY are doing. They have been orchastrating this for decades. Those with the money make the rules.Those with the truth see the light. THEY have to be stopped.

            These people have been starting wars and crises to empower themselves and to redistribute your wealth. The global elite know better than you. If their puppets even think they will be allowed to exist after THEY have used them, they are sadly mistaken.

            First they came for the communists,
            and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.

            Then they came for the trade unionists,
            and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.

            Then they came for the Jews,
            and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.

            Then they came for me
            and there was no one left to speak out for me.

          • Jag

            This is the problem I have with the CCW reciprocity act; it could be a Trojan Horse for more gun control. Getting back to the subject; I remember the MIAC Report, which made us enemies of the State, if we had Ron Paul bumper stickers, or any other candidate not approved by powers that be. I wondered where this propaganda came from, until The New American Magazine exposed the truth. Our law enforcement got this bogus information from the Southern Poverty Law Center, in Montgomery, AL. They collect tens of millions of dollars through their mailings of propaganda to frighten people that can’t see through their lies.

      • wandamurline

        You are correct…and another prime example is TSA at the airports. Every criminal in America has the right of probable cause, mirandizing, warrant and legal counsel…not so if you are boarding a plane in America. You can be pulled from the line without probable cause, your belongings seized without a warrant, without mirandizing and without your right to legal counsel….all stomping the 4th and 14th Amendments in order for you to “feel safe”. It was a test to see how many Americans will be sheeples and follow the pied piper…and they do it by the thousands on any given day. America is headed toward another revolution…and our forefathers expected this, and told us that it was our duty as Patriots of a Republic to remove corrupt tyranical government and replace them with constitutionalists, lest we lose our freedoms…the time is at hand.

        • Jim

          Technically,
          It is false imprisonment and detention by those “officers”,
          which is unlawful, by the way.
          They are not deputized, and you are not mirandized while being detained. I think more people should file a complaint (sue) the INDIVIDUAL “officer” (TSA goon), not the agency, as the tsa has your own tax money to fight you with. If you go after the individuals on a civil, personal level, you might just be able to weed them out eventually.

        • Capitalist at Birth

          I have flown 22 round trips between St. Louis and Denver in the last 24 months, and not once was I required to go through the dangerous scanners (which I would refuse to do), nor have I been patted down. You would think that I would have been exposed to this illegal action at least once. Is it really as bad as has been portrayed in the media? Just a question.

          • Capitalist at Birth

            I think the security at the airports should be privatized and be the responsibility of the airlines, and not a part of the government.

          • ChristyK

            I have been pulled aside for a pat down at least once every trip for the past 3 years. You would think that a white woman traveling with 2 small children would not be considered a high risk, but it happens everytime. Ridiculous!

          • Libertarian58

            It’s FAR WORSE than you think because you have ACCEPTED it.

          • John Lilleburns ghost

            I average aroung 160 flight legs a year and have been patted down twice in the past 3 years I believe your suspicions are right its a non-issue. I also agree that the TSA should be privatized as long as all roads are as well. Why do car manufacturers etc get a free pass?

          • Old Henry

            Capitalist:

            Have you ever considered buying your own plane? It might well be less expensive…

            I think I would drive. It shouldn’t be more than about 12 hours.

          • Old Henry

            ChristyK:

            Do the pervert government goons try molesting your kids? That seems to be their specialty.

          • Joe H.

            CAB,
            My wife has flown a little more than that, and she has gone through the scanners at least half a dozen times. She flies to DC, Florida, Louisianna, and Texas domestically and London and France internationally. She has seen people get patted down and preferes to go through the scanners to avoid the violation of her person.

          • JC

            Capitalist at Birth says:
            December 16, 2011 at 10:46 am
            I have flown 22 round trips between St. Louis and Denver in the last 24 months, and not once was I required to go through the dangerous scanners

            Have you flown into or out of the country? International flights tend to be treated a little differently.

      • Troy

        I would hope that your selecting one to vote for is more thorough than what you say. I agree with you for the most part but how would voting for just anyone be better than voting for what we have. I understand your anger and how that my be providing a lack of thought in your choice of words but wow.

      • JonKemp

        And it was the left who ridiculed, condemned and hated the constitutional loyalty of the Tea party. The left still defends or chooses to ignore the actions of the government, blaming the corporate jets for all that ails us. It’s a pity the country is so bitterly divided with class warfare while the net is being tightened around all of us.

      • Bonnie750

        I am getting sick of people who do not know what POTUS means using it. It DOES NOT mean “President of these United States”, it means “piece of totally useless sh!t.” That is all I have to say here. Thank you, have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year everyone.

        • DaveH

          What does SCOTUS mean, Bonnie?

          • Joe H.

            $HIT COLLAPSING ON THE UNITED STATES?????

          • Joe H.

            Superior’s Conning Of The United States

    • OkieRon

      –and while all of recorded human history is part of a vast, complex, subtle liberal agenda spanning centuries to corrupt the minds of the pure white race and enslave them, only this holy handful of people at Fox News are the carriers of the Divine Light of This Mysterious Truth About This Global Conspiracy to Enslave RealAmericans–only they know the Absolute Truth, and anyone who disagrees with them is a traitor and/or a ‘media whore’, and a NaziCommunistSatan-lover? Am I understanding that right? ‘Just want to make sure I’m hearing what you guys are saying on here…

      • Libertarian58

        It always hits the “deniers” the hardest…

    • Cheeky Monkey

      I really wonder how long it will be before the American people wake up and decide to throw out all the idiots out – impeachment comes to mind as a way to do it now. My greatest fear is not that Romney or Gingrich get the nomination – it’s that there will be some disaster – man made or otherwise – that will cause the current administration to declare martial law, suspend the constitution, and push the police state down the throats of Patriots.Such a scenario would be the end of this great experiment known as the United States of American and we will become the U.S.S.A. (Union of Soviet States of America).I weep for my grandchildren.

      • deb

        That is my fear — that martial law will be instated and there will be no election. I think that’s why the White House is encouraging violence on the the part of OWS — to give them the “cover” needed.

        • eddie47d

          Why so much sanctimony Deb? Most of the violence at OWS has been perpetrated by the police who are acting far worse than any TSA agent. The police charge into OWS like gestapo agents or does that give you a tingle down your leg.

          • Old Henry

            eddie:

            Have you been watching some of the videos on Brass Check TV? Some have been very telling.

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            what about the event where the OWS linked arms, surrounded the police, and told them if they wanted through, they would have to go throughTHEM??? Who provoked WHO there??? Why does OWS need an instructor making the rounds teaching them how to make a big scandle on TV? Also, on the subject of OWS, if part of what they are protesting is a lack of jpobs, then why did some of them QUIT jobs to attend???

          • eddie47d

            Who sent the police in? Too many are being “good little soldiers” and only following orders. Enough of this gestapo crap!

          • cawmun cents

            The Gestapo would have shot them all immediately.
            In the street.In front of the news cameras for effect.
            Exaggeration is a propagandists dream.
            You do it well eddie47d.

          • JC

            eddie is on to something here, like it or not folks.
            Not just the OWS thing, but protestors at G8 and Bilderberger meetings have been the victims of police insurgency. Plain clothes cops mingle with the protestors and start the violence and then they retreat. They’ve been caught doing this in Seattle and Montreal.
            Thus giving the authorities the “excuse” to crack down.

          • Joe H.

            JC,
            Is it the police that are going around from encampment to encampment instructing themon how to make a specticle on TV? I think not!! Is it the Police that are harrassing small businessmen and women around the encampments? I think not!

          • JC

            Joe, you miss my point. I’m not arguing in favor of OWS. I’m merely pointing out the “fact” that sometimes Police agencies have in “fact” been co-opted to serve the globalists purposes…and been literally caught out at it.
            It serves the purposes of the Globalist Gangsters very well to instigate violence so that greater measures of control can be implemented. One of the tools of bringing in Martial law and further destroying our rights. I know you’ve seen the pattern…

          • DaveH

            You’re right, JC, it’s all about persuading the sheeple to march in lock-step with Big Government. Propaganda is a powerful tool. But it is being exposed now to the masses with the Internet, which is why the PTBs are going to use every ounce of their efforts to get control of the Internet.

        • cawmun cents

          Its an excuse to legislate protection from yourselves.
          Gubment knows you need to be protected from yourselves.
          They will hug and coddle you like a baby nursing at their teat,with both the Left and the Right arms.
          You…being a moderate….like being in the middle of the two arms.
          -CC.

      • Old Henry
      • Anumber1

        The same thought has occurred to me. The feds could allow terrorists to strike the US, thus providing a pretext for imposing martial law. If President Obama’s pollsters tell him soon before election day that he’s headed for defeat, he would give the green light to allow the attack by those terrorists who are closest to doing something. The state of emergency could include cancellation of the election. If he’s defeated in an upset, the scenario could play out soon after the election and the transfer of power never happens. What worries me is that many Americans would react with a shrug and turn back to American Idol and their video games.

        • Thinking about

          This nation is blessed more reasonable thinking is in positions of high places and has charge of when we need to use Hbombs

      • Bethany7

        Others have been saying this too. Another way martial law can happen is when the Rapture happens too, chaos. Let’s hope it happens before the elections before the pending hell that USA is going to go through. I’d hate to be here then.

        • Joe H.

          Bethany7,
          You WANt martial law to be enacted before the elections??? ARE YOU NUTS??? If and its a very large IF, we can get Ron Paul at the helm along with a few constitutional conservatives in both houses, we still have a chance to turn this debacle around!!! It isn’t over till the first shot is fired in a war in the states!!!

          • Bethany7

            No I don’t want to happen AT ALL. I’m just given another scenario of what could happen. Some of us are afraid it will happen before the elections, that’s all, especially if it isn’t going a certain person’s way.

          • Joe H.

            Bethany7
            Your words “lets hope it happens before the elections”!

    • Old Henry

      I am sure probably saw it s c, but I read an article yesterday on one of the many sites that send me news that Little Barry has developed a bit of a scam (imagine that0 to collect email addresses of Republicans. Hmmmm. GUILTY! Send Col Klink to fetch the traitor!

      Also, this morning I spoke with a woman at my Congressman’s DC office who assured me that the offending parts of the bill had been removed prior to the House passing it. She stated she had read the bill!

      • s c

        Old Henry, let that W H airhead go ahead and waste his time and anyone else’s time if they’re stupid enough to do such a thing. I’m no frickin’ ‘Republican.’
        Not too long ago, utopians howled at the moon in describing RMN and his administration. Compared to Oflimflam, RMN was a saint and a scholar and is entitled to statues across the nation.

        • Old Henry

          Ah yes, Tricky Dick. That brings back memories s c… I too remember the howling!f How far we have devolved.

          Maybe you’re not a “Republican” s c, but you are certainly not a Dem / Lib, so that will make you an enemy of the state. Maybe we’ll be cell mates… Nah, as the old Indian would say: “It is a good day to die”.

        • Joe H.

          sc,
          I’m not a republican in the sense you think of, but I am registered as one. I want a vote on who the repubs place in as their candidate. It might be futile, but I won’t just stand around and give up! I will vote for Ron Paul for the republican candidate!!

  • cawmun cents

    As the wise man once stated:

    I like to have fun,racing and then some,
    I’m a dirt talkin’beer drinkin’ woman chasin’ ministers son.
    Slap on the make-up,blast out the music,
    Wake up the neighbors with a roar,like a teenage heavy metal
    elephant gun.

    If you call that guilty….then thats what I am.
    I’m Guilty!
    I’m Guilty!
    -CC.

  • James

    Most things are now in place, it is time for the end game!!

    • Donahue

      James,
      They are working on the internet now and Hillary Rodham (Jewish maiden name)Clinton is working with the UN on weapons of self defense, like let’s use tax money to sell weapons to Latin American Cartels and take our guns away so they can eradicate us! Once the Internet is controlled and our tools to protect ourselves, we’ve had it! Mark my words as I have seen this coming for some time now!

      • Richard from Camano

        Someone once told me that if you are ever challenged with a death threat, and the challenger is wearing body armor, shoot them in the face. Wow, this may come to pass.

        • Pathos

          no. shoot em anywhere that there is no amour. hit em where they re vulnerable.

        • cawmun cents

          Sorry,But I prefer to shoot them(anyone who wants to take my freedoms away)in the genitals,a place where body armor is rarely worn I might add….take away the reason to live.-CC.

  • http://www.ChoiceCustomLogos.com Keith Luxton

    When Reichmaster Obama first became popular with the liberal rabble,
    I knew we were in deep trouble. Now it is proven. The next move will be to suspend elections. Maybe even before 2012 elections. That way we have the pleasure of his vision for god knows hoow many years.

    I used to thnk communism would take over from USSR and China, never expected Americans to fall for their BS. Well the saying is we live and learn. Until that saying applies to the liberal rabble. We are in deep S***. Please do not give me that BS that it cannot happen in USA. It has happened.

    • Flashy

      Keith…you do know who put that clause in the bill don’t you? perhaps before you spout off, you should check that small item.

      • DaveH

        Who, Flashy?

    • eddie47d

      Dave never challenges the ignorance of the Keith Luxton’s and only goes after Liberals. We know your game Dave and the elections will not be suspended next year but you buy into that swill each and every time. Don’t say I put words in your mouth because Keith said it all for you.

      • DaveH

        Seek help, Eddie.

      • Joe H.

        eddie,
        DaveH did not challenge anybody at all. All he did was ask WHO!!! now if it is a challenge for flashy to type a name into his keyboard, then I feel sorry for his disability!! I already feel sorry for YOUR inability to COMPREHEND!!

        • eddie47d

          Well if it isn’t dumb and dumber? Take your pick Joe you fit the bill for either.

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            Coming from an illiterate waste of oxygen like YOU, I’ll take that as a compliment!!!

    • Old Henry

      Keith, I can remember back in the mid-60s our minister and the “Older folks” talking about all the communists that had infested our government – the top one being LBJ.

      We have had many communist presidents, the first being Teddy Roosevelt, the Wilson, then FDR, then LBJ, then Clinton, then Bush and now Little Barry. It has really picked up speed in the last few years.

  • Donahue

    This “opens the door” for total complete control and limiting “free speech” and freedom of thought for, if you say something that offends the “elitists”, they will come in black clothes, load you up, haul you off for an “indefinite” period of time as you are a “threat”…

    Welcome to the New One World Government !!!

    Oh I feel for my children and grand children. – “sheeple”

    • ALL AMERICAN

      Quit ‘fearing’ and crying and do sometbing about it. Misery loves company…
      Start mailing everybody you know, contact Congressmen and Senators, whether it helps at the time or not, and be a useful activist for the U.S., not someone who sits on their tail and whines, or you’ll continue to whine as bad times come to pass.
      HOOAH?
      HOOAH.

  • darren

    well i hear its pretty good at gitmo. I wont have to work or pay taxes and then i will know what it feels like to live the new american dream where everyone else pays my bills.

  • robert

    if everyone would just shut up and get a job at wallmart
    seling american flags that are made in china

    EVERYTHING WOULD BE ALRIGHT

    obama told you about hope and change when running up against bush
    HE HOPED HE WOULD GET IN so that NOTHING WOULD CHANGE
    cause they are all buddies behind closed doors
    and all bought and paid for by the new world order

    youtube WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE THEY SPRAYING and then tell me they give a dam about YOU OR YOUR CHILDREN

    • MRMO

      WE ARE GETTING THE CHANGE, NOW THE WHOLE COUNTRY WORKS JUST LIKE THE STATE OF ILL., BACKROOM DEALS,CASH FOR HIS BUDS, GET OUT OF LINE AND YOUR HISTORY. I’M FROM ILL. BEFOR THE LAST ELECTION I HAD NOT EVEN HEARD OF OBUMMER. NOW I WISH I NEVER HAD.

  • Michael

    And the “Concentration Camps” are currently being “opened” by FEMA for such an occasion as this law allows.

    http://www.texemarrs.com/122002/concentration_camps_in_america.htm

    • eddie47d

      That is to be seen Michael. Tex Marrs article was interesting but more importantly it never mentions Obama yet everything he spoke of came from years earlier. Time for some of the folks here to get a more historically factual view of our past and stop blaming everything on Obama. In other words Obama is not the elephant in the room and that elephant has been around for many years.

      • Joe H.

        eddie,
        Oh, then Abummer is gonna stop them from opening??? Gee, that’s good!!! I’ll have to tell santa and the easterbunny tomorrow when the tooth fairy picks up my grand daughters tooth!!!

        • eddie47d

          I bet you didn’t even read the article above Joe. Afraid to learn something instead of dumbing down?

      • JonKemp

        Obama is just the frontman for the global elite. He tricked us and conned us and screwed us yet there are still those who will excuse him.

  • FreedomFighter

    Day America died, write it down guys, its official.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Mushin

      A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference.
      Thomas Jefferson

    • Think about it

      No my friend not the day America died,this is the day that the United States Government turned its back on the American people,completely, The United States Militay needs to back the people, the Constitution and the Bill of Right and shut this Government down, the Generials of our US Military have this power, and it is now time to use it.

      • Joe H.

        Think about it,
        those presently in the military need to realize that sooner or later they will be EX military and subject to the same laws at that time. It will affect them, ALSO!!!

      • JC

        The Government threw “We the Serfs” overboard at least 40 years ago.
        They’re just now getting brave enough to put it in writing though.

  • Keith C. Parsels

    Any member of congress that voted for or sponsored this bill needs to brought up on treason charges after being thrown from office. Short and sweet.

    • http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/government/welcome-to-the-new-nazified-soviet-union-of-america/?eiid&replytocom=677139#respond William L collins

      I agree

    • David in MA

      And who do you exactly suggest
      bring the charges,
      there all in on it!
      Only a revelotion
      will have any chance
      to turn things around.

    • Old Henry

      Amen Keith.

  • OkieRon

    Nah, actually America died the day Dick Cheney seized power as the first Unelected President in American history. The plan went all the way back to Cheney’s time in the Nixon White House, including the creation of an ignorant, crowing, fear-mongering propanda machine at the disposal of the (formerly Republican) Confederacy Party–which came to be known as Fox News. Under Cheney’s watch, Americans passively rolled over for secret meetings between the President and the energy companies to discuss our “national security” (and we still can’t get the minutes of those meetings), he brought us legalized, official-policy government torture, prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib, Blackwater Security (America’s first private corporate army, and who you really ought to fear as a coming police state)–and a ‘war to nowhere’ that will have cost us that $1.5 trillion that righties are always c-r-o-w-i-n-g that the liberals somehow cheated America out of. They literally helicoptered in pallets of millions of dollars and handed it out to god knows who in Iraq.

    SO BY ALL MEANS, you keep wasting your energy seeking out the “terra plots” of the socialist-commanist-nazi-hommasexual Obammanid conspiracy to suddenly turn our police into robot socialist automatons who are suddenly going to hunt pudgy, armed-to-the-teeth white people down and kill them in their beds. That makes All the Sense in the World.

    I’m reminded that, the whole time the Nazis were rounding up Jewish people into the ovens, the Nazis weren’t the ignorant, gunned-up, racist bullies–they were simply a bunch of poor, misunderstood RealGerman SuperPatriots who were just defending themselves pre-emptively (the “Bush Doctrine”"! ‘Though I’m sure President Cheney authored it)from the Vast Liberal Jewish Conspiracy spanning the ages–which sought to poison the minds of average Germans with book-learnin’, discussion, compromise, and world history. Only the Nazis stood toe-to-toe against the entire world in their clear, uncompromising opposition to anything other than their narrow set of beliefs. And in cooperation with massive corporations like Krupp Steel and I.G. Farben–the Koch Bros. of their day–they burned Germany to the ground in order to “save” it. But not to worry, Krupp, Farben, and Koch will always walk away without a scratch, and they keep all the money.

  • Tazio2013

    Wednesday, December 14, 2011
    Finding Comfort in Authoritarianism

    Source
    J.G. Vibes
    Activist Post

    Between recent legislation like the deceptively named “defense authorization act” and the daily police brutality that is occurring all across the country, things are looking pretty bleak for America and the values that it was apparently founded on.

    Anyone who has studied history can see the writing on the wall, and can tell that these developments are eerily similar to actions that were taken by the some of the worst dictators that this world has ever known.

    Regimes like Stalinist Russia, Maoist China or Hitler’s Germany are among the worst offenders in recent memory, but if you look at their actual policies they aren’t very far off from what we’re seeing in the West today.

    It is very common to offend people when you start comparing our current police state with governments that have been painted in a negative light by mainstream history. I would agree that all of the aforementioned regimes were absolutely horrible, but their transgressions were on par with the native American holocaust and the medieval torture that takes place at Guantanamo bay and many other covert military bases across the planet. This may be a controversial way of looking at things, but if we don’t take a comparative look at history then we are inevitably doomed to repeat it.

    The people in these countries that supported these regimes were not marching zombies, chanting in unison with swirling blank eyes like you would see in a comic book or cartoon. They were simply people who were manipulated by fear, and constantly lied to by very convincing authority figures who made it seem like they were doing some wonderful things and paving the way for civilization.

    Typically, those within an aggressively expanding empire are still thinking in terms of defense, because their leaders have convinced them that outside enemies are a serious threat to their livelihood. Most people living under these conditions typically refuse to believe that their “fair and benevolent leader” is hell-bent on conquest and world domination.

    For an authoritarian regime to survive it is necessary for them to convince their citizens that their violence is justified and that they are “the lesser of two evils”. For people to accept a life of oppression they must first think that their lives will be far worse without the “protection” their abuser. This is a strong symptom of an unbelievably common condition called Stockholm syndrome, which I covered in a previous article.

    During the Second World War, all of Eurasia was drowning in authoritarianism of various shapes and sizes. Both the Soviet and Nazi regimes were responsible for brutally murdering millions of people and maintaining an extremely poor quality of life for those who managed to live. Citizens in each country were told horror stories about one another, which justified the brutality of the homeland police state that they were living under. Surely horror stories weren’t hard to come by as each government was guilty of a long list of horrific human rights violations. However, these two governments squabbling over who treated their people better is similar to the Crips having a moral argument with the Bloods about whose neighborhood is the safest. As in every case, the lesser of two evils was still an intolerably evil.

    The Germans feared the Russians to death, and the Russians feared the Germans to death, but sadly most of them died at the hands of their own government, not the government that happened to be their “enemy”. Today we are living in very much the same situation where people all over the world are terrified of foreign governments, all the while being extorted and oppressed by the government that they have been indoctrinated to worship.

    The most cruel and violent dictators throughout history have always been able to convince their people that their depraved behavior was necessary in order to keep the people safe. If a dictator doesn’t succeed in this, than he won’t last very long as a dictator. This is why Muammar Gaddafi spent a small percentage of his pilfered fortune on multibillion dollar social services, and that is a big part of the reason why he stayed in power so long. This same strategy was used by Al Capone, who set up soup kitchens in the city of Chicago to keep the local townspeople on his side. These are all examples of public relations tactics which were used to create a positive public image for operations that were actually detrimental to those who supported them.

    Looking into history can give us a better idea of why the Patriot act and a half-dozen illegal wars have been relentlessly defended and supported by such a large number Americans. Like so many other victims of oppression in the past many of our brothers and sisters are finding comfort in authoritarianism. What we can also learn from history is that this comfort is always short lived, because corruption always grows exponentially with the acquisition of power. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely; this theory is so well tested that it should be considered a law of nature.

    Eventually the envelope continues to get pushed until it is no longer possible for the world ignore the injustice that is taking place. This is the good news, because the moment that they get too drunk on power and cross the line is the moment that the sleeping giant of the world’s population is awoken — and that is a force that no tyrant could dream of contending with.

    J.G. Vibes – is an author, and artist – with an established record label. In addition to featuring a wide variety of activist information, his website – Good Vibes Promotions hosts electronic dance music events. You can keep up with him and his forthcoming book Alchemy Of the Modern Renaissance, at his Facebook page.

    • eddie47d

      Excellent analogy Tazio. We are definitely being pitted against each other and we all fall into that trap.False information is put out all the time to make one side look worse than they really are or better than they should get credit for.

      • daniel

        Unfortunately I agree also. There has never been a benevolent dictator. The sad fact is that dictatorships are more efficient than messy democracies and republics. That combined with human behavior is the reason that victims become more numerous as their agendas are put into place.
        What scares me the most however are the lies that we ourselves decide to believe.

    • Al Sieber

      Good post Tazio.

  • Rennie

    Do not vote for anyone who supported this, do not contribute one penny to a political party that supported this, rep or dem they just erased one of the most essential promises within the Constitution they swore to uphold and protect, and WHY? Obama wanted to unite people, this has, left and right, we want our country and freedoms back, it won’t end just with voting Obama out.

    • David in MA

      AND, what if you do not
      get the chance to vote?

      EVER AGAIN!

  • Tazio2013

    THE CORE CHARACTERISTICS OF FASCISM

    While we contend that fascism is without principles, that is not to say that it does not have core characteristics. Rather than representing a platform of principles from which to rule, however, these characteristics represents processes and tools that empower the State apparatus. As times and conditions change, a fascist State will shift message, priorities and effort, all for the purpose of self-preservation. At times the State will appear pro-market, other times it will claim national exigencies demand that it assume control of production in the economy. Commonly observed traits, however, include:

    Nominal or no limit on the power of the State. Whether explicit or de facto, when the State ceases to recognize limits on its authority, it is displaying a core characteristic of fascism. This is often seen in the broad powers that are granted to the law enforcement, military and the intelligence apparatus. As a related aside, a common observation in fascist regimes is that law enforcement and military cease to be viewed as members of the community in which they serve. Their encroaching and increasingly heavy handed tactics become the source of discontent among the people which in turn results in increasingly hysterical propaganda from the State.

    Significant spending on national defense. Regardless of the financial conditions of the State and its subjects, military spending is virtually unaffected by financial stress occurring in other segments of the economy. The State recognizes that political power is meaningless without the force to back it. Money goes to salaries, weapons, research and various military adventures. In Germany and Italy in the 1930s, significant production and economic benefit was bestowed upon the military and the military industry. This is still the case in some countries today.

    Key segments of the economy are granted cartel status by the State. Industries including agriculture, health care, banking, energy and manufacturing find themselves submitting to the State’s plan for production or being run out of business. In a fascist regime, the State typically does not actually seek to run the enterprise, they merely dictate the conditions and stipulations under which producers must operate.

    A final note on fascism. It is commonly held that fascism is a right-wing form of government. We hold that the differentiation between left and right in this context is completely meaningless. North Korea and the former Soviet Union certainly can be characterized as fascist. The key characteristic is a high degree of force and deceit that the State deploys in self preservation.

    This brief article is far from an exhaustive study on the matter of fascism. Lew Rockwell of the Mises Institute and Richard Maybury, author of the Uncle Eric series of books have dedicated many years of academic research to this topic. Much of what we have captured in this short primer is a result of their pioneering work. For those interested in further study of fascism, its history and how it manifests today, we encourage you to seek the works by these two remarkable men. See “The Fascist Threat” by Lew Rockwell and the Uncle Eric books here.

    URL: http://www.dollarvigilante.com/blog/2011/12/15/fascism-for-dummies.html

    • Radical Patriot

      Sometimes a dictionary is usefull! Fascism according to the American Heritage Dictionary is- A philosophy or system of government that advocates or exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with an ideology of beligerent nationalism. Sound familiar? Seems to me we are all being victimized by this unholy marriage of business and government. Congress and even the president are bought and paid for by the wealthy business class to do their bidding. Wake up! This has nothing to do with politics or ideology anymore. It’s us against them and they are winning. Pretty soon we will all be enslaved to the corporate/state interests working for the benefit of the few, just like all the other exploited 3rd world countries they control.

  • susan

    I agree with Keith C. Parsels :’(

  • jay Lindberg

    Practice your goosestep, Zeil Heil. It really is that simple.

    And you wondetr why there is a secession movement in this country. I don’t.

  • zeprin

    Well, just as long as the morning of 21 Jan ’13, XPrezbo and his main Lt.s are rounded up and shipped off to Gitmo. Then I won’t have quite as big a problem with it.
    They can rescind the order after that.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear zeprin,

      Your logic is flawed. This was passed with a majority from both parties. You must divest yourself of the false left/right paradigm.

      Now, listen to what the republican beauty contestants are saying and determine for yourself which one will end this nonsense and which ones will continue it. There is one that stands out.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Flashy

        Exactly Mr. Livingston. Exactly.

      • Think about it

        Say Bob, could the person be Ron Paul, he is the only one that i can think of right now. It sure as hell isn’t Marco Rubio, he was a waist of good ink on a voters ballet.

      • Joe H.

        Mr. Livingston,
        I believe his initials are R.P. and he isn’t from TEXAS!!!!! Keep up the good fight!!!

        • Think about it

          Rand Paul, from KY isn’t running.

        • Joe H.

          I KNEW someone would catch my gaffe before I could get back!!! I should have said “has not been the governor of Texas” I caught my mistake in my mind while on another thread and I appologize to ALL!

  • LT

    It is dangerous to be right when your Government is wrong. ~Voltaire~

    • http://na Jim

      I agree and to show my ignorance who was Voltaire???

      • Mike W.

        Jim, Voltaire aka Francois Arouet (1694-1778) was a French philospher, scientist & social critic. He was often at odds with both Church & State. A brilliant man who helped to advance mathematics, natural science and metaphysics. The internet is full of great information and biographies about him if you’re interested.

        • Flashy

          Candide is his best known writing. Though I prefer his Philosophical Dictionary as a more complete work

  • Harvey

    This and the personal army that Odumba wanted are one of the reason for the NEED of our Second Admendment. People do not take this lying down. Our very existence and freedom are at stake. Now the prez can make anyone including you that disagree with him disappear.
    Civil war looms closer every day this socialist/communist mudslum non-citizen remains in power. If he gets re-elected American citizens will start disappearing for not going along with his illegal, irresponsible, socialist/communist, anti- American and mudslum’s beliefs. How can America be destroyed in which short time frame of one prez term?
    Lock n load!

    • eddie47d

      You’ve fallen into this trap too! Blame everything on Obama and the problem will be solved. Most of what is occurring today was set up years ago by the powers to be from both parties.There are alot of forces controlling us and what happens in the world. The Elites come in many colors and from several countries also such as the Bilderbergs.

      • Think about it

        Yes, but Obama is injoying it, he hate American and all it stands for.

      • Joe H.

        eddie,
        whether it started under Abummer or not is irrevelent! He is not only allowing it to continue, he is prodding it into a faster trot!!!

      • JC

        eddie, would it matter if we just kept saying “The President”?
        The Kenyan is the present target of anger, plain and simple.

  • JDN

    History is the best lesson for anyone . Watch and listen as those with the least or are the least desirable in society are rounded up or persecuted . You will hear the masses chear those efforts and thats when you should run because that means your next .

  • BigBadJohn

    Like ya’ll always say “only congress can write legislation”. Who/what party controls congress?????

    Be careful what you wish for, it just might come true……

  • http://na Jim

    If this article was referring to the self proclaimed Al Quida chief in Yemen that happened to be American as an assisnation targeted by our government then I am clapping and cheering that decision. To think that this same action will be exercised in the US or elseware if we can’t get our hands on them is ignorant. As far as this law goes I think some people are taking it out of context but time will tell. It doesn’t matter what laws they pass that may or may not be against the constitution we as Americans who still beleive in it will stand up when the marbels start to roll and defend it. You can cherry pick and trump up charges here and there and take anyone down in the courts now at days but when it happens at a large number of people the citizens will react.

  • ‘jake

    Not true. Read the data, choose your options: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c112:2:./temp/~c112OkIfLM::

  • grossyi

    I swore to uphold and defend the constitution. I have and I will, despite the laws passed by communists, liberals, neocons and RHINO’s. Despite Supreme Court rulings contrary to common sense. I can read, I understand the Constitution and my oath to both uphold and defend it. Party affiliation be damned.

    • http://na Jim

      Well said.

    • Mark7

      Here here !!!

    • ALL AMERICAN

      Amen!

    • David in MA

      And, you are not alone, that’s why there are FEMA camps all across America…..which most Americans are in denial about existing.
      What America needs is Loan Wolves who have nothing to lose.

      • JC

        Lots of them!

  • Bob Marshall

    This is what come from a nation having so many ignorant people. Keep letting the government thin-tanks think for you and we can all talk about what went wrong one of those non existent FEMA camps one day. the US government has the best PR in the world and American are so easily led.Like cattle to a slaughter.it worked with the illegal Iraq war and it worked again with the bombing of the Revolutionary Guard and the killing of thousand of innocent civilians as they were leaving Kuwait following through with UN Resolution 660through Soviet meditation on Feb. 21.1991. http://www.globalresearch.ca/“Highway of Death” “It is fortunate for the governments that the masses don’t think.” Adolf Hitler.

  • http://ByGeorge By George

    Tyranny, It’s Here

    The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) is the new vehicle to ensure our oppression by a tyrannical government. Representative Buck McKeon (R-Ca.), Chairman of the House Committee on Armed Services wrote a defensive piece in RedState titled Myths on the New Detainee Policy. He had intended to allay our fears about the hidden trap in this unconstitutional piece of legislation. He is quite mistaken as are Georgia’s two Senators who voted for it. The threat to the 6th Amendment and thus American citizens in this bill, is real.

    McKeon claims the act does not address or extend any new authority to detain U.S. Citizens….But, in fact it does! The NDAA actually grants, indeed, mandates immense unconstitutional power to the White House. The President is to be afforded absolute power to use the Army to arrest and detain US Citizens, without due process, i.e.: a warrant issued by a judge or a preliminary hearing to be advised of charges, let alone a trial. (Sec 1031).

    The act affirms that arrest and detention, by the Army, of “covered persons” within the United States is legal. Section 1031 reveals all: “a covered person” is one who engages in terrorist acts, or anyone associated with an organization guilty of belligerent acts.” So, regardless of the protections afforded by the 6th Amendment, the Senate’s bill will actually allow the government to lock up any citizen it wants if someone swears he/she is a terrorist. How hard is that?

    Now is a good time to review an earlier unfortunate and unchallenged change to our thought processes. A few years ago, Liberals wanted to make certain crimes more horrible than regular old crimes so they added “Hate Crime” to our vernacular. Why? Because some liberal said so and we bought into it. Now we have a Marxist President who, through his toadies like Eric Holder and Janet Napolitano, who have already identified TEA party members, returning veterans and retired cops as potential terrorists to be detained until the end of the war. Well, it’s not legal simply because some stupid politicians say it is. And, as for stupid politicians, it is Carl Levin and John McCain whom we can thank as the architects of this unconstitutional monstrosity.

    Proponents refer to Section 1021, NDAA, pages 655 and 656 to deny that arrests and detention of US Citizens are authorized. It applies, it is said, only to al-Qaida and associates. However, two different sections of the act contradict each other. We even hear from the Chief of Staff of Senator Chambliss that the bill does not authorize such draconian action and Ga. Rep. Westmorland even produce this denial: “I understand the concerns and that is why there were numerous questions asked about this, so I want to reassure that you will be protected. The U.S. Constitution guarantees U.S. citizens on U.S. soil will have due process and nothing within this legislation will take away that right. These people claiming your constitutional rights are violated by this legislation are using fear tactics to drum up support against legislation that is needed to make sure our men and women in uniform get paid for their service to our country”.

    Well, I still have not yet lost the faculty to read and reason and I am not sanguine in those assurances from the “elite political class”, especially since they come from politicians who have lost our confidence and have lost their way. Let’s be honest, the wording that would allow the arrest and detention of American citizens is still there and like a land mine, waiting to explode in our faces. Really, do we any longer still want to put our trust and belief in somebody who say’s “Trust me, I’m from the government and I just want to help you? ” Remember Freedom is the goal, The Constitution is the way. Go get em!

    • David in MA

      Congress paopls say intent, intent this and intent that, when it comed down to the bottom line, intent disappears and the wording in the law takes precedent……congress & the courts are already struggeling with “intent” concerning the constitution rather than taking it literally……..there has to be a stop put to “interpetation”, which simply is another word for rationalisation.

  • http://burgerd@kearney.k12.mo.us Dwayne B says

    Surviving Marshall Law, look it up and study it. It is upon us– Good luck on the other end.God Bless the America I once knew.

    • El Gringo

      Dwayne, what is “Marshall Law”? Or did you mean “Martial Law”? Just asking.

      • Calvin Klien

        Thankyou professor

      • Joe H.

        come on gringo, you knew what he meant!

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Whizzer

    RIDICULOUS article! If you are a terrorist who is practicing treason and trying to kill fellow Americans and you are doing so from a foreign nation outside the U.S. then you should be taken out. However if what the article implies is true then just about every conservative talk show host or blogger would be in jeopardy of being locked up and beaten & or killed. As of yet I have not seen or heard anything remotely close to that. Not even the idiot who was shooting at the White House recently has been treating with anything other than “kid gloves”.

    • DaveH

      Achtung, Blind Follower!

      • David in MA

        NOT FN FUNNY!

    • Raggs

      Whizzer… You should look up who the DHS considers to be a “domestic” terrorist…. And it is a GOOD chance that you fall somewhere on that list.

    • daniel

      You can deny all you want. I tried and to no avail. When I can figure out what is likely to happen with these fools in Washington ahead of time then it is too late. They do not care.
      Lincoln suspended habaeus corpus during the War Between the States. It did not make him right. This fertilizer the Congress passed does allow the indefinite detention of American citizens. Please note there is no distinction made between natural born or naturalized. You just plain disappear. If as noted before and above the descriptions of those that would be suspected of terrorism are broad and vague. Don’t you think that maybe there is a reason for that? Take a look at Mormons for Petes’ sake! If you are to store up seven years of food supplies according to the description you may be a terrorist. The reason would be that you have more than a thirty day supply of food. You are a vet especially one that was sent to Iraq you are also included. Own a gun? Better be careful.
      It can be said that 9/11 was the best thing that could have happened for those that want to control the population. Using that as an excuse and incurring fear laws are passed and actions taken to gain control of the populace. Please note the broadness of descriptions of terror suspects and the vagueness of the laws. It is not to allow the aprehension of specific suspects but instead for the control of large swaths of the public at large. How many people do you think would be cowed into submission by the mere threat of incarceration? In the old USSR it was go along to get along no matter what the government did unless you wanted to vacation at one of the many fine gulags.
      Sorry about being so wordy but this is not a discussion of the possibility of autacracy. Unfortunately this is real and too late and it is ready to go.

    • eddie47d

      Talk show hosts actually enhance their verbiage and audience numbers the nastier they get. Except for a couple who use racial taunts and then they only get slapped with a fly swatter. Isn’t America great!

      • DaveH

        Yep. Even the trolls are allowed Freedom of Speech.

        • eddie47d

          I’ll even allow you to come back next week Dave!

        • Joe H.

          DaveH,
          Yup, just Like Whoopie on the view the other day. She, as usual, spoke out her AZZ!!! This is the second time she has done on tv and it was HEARD by the tv audience!!! pretty much sums up the value of her thoughts!!!

    • s c

      Ye gods, w. If someone wants to “practice” treason, all they have to do is ape the behavior of some of our career criminal, elected SOBs. I get the impression that some of your decisions are not at all thought out before you speak.

    • JC

      Whizzer, the ink is still drying on this repulsive anti-American legislature. Just wait…

  • http://moniquer7 Merlin

    This is outragious!!

  • hitthedeck

    American liberties are and have been under the rising trend of political evolution for protecting the power structure of the power mongers in high offices of the land. Masking the face of laws that are unlawful under the constitution has always been the goal of progressives. I would not depend on the ACLU to counter this unlawful law. The ACLU has always favored progressive enactments and has championed the fight against laws that support the morality foundation of law. Progressives have the habit of changing the words of description on unpopular laws and human behavior into words of political correctness that carry different meanings to soften their results. New laws must be looked at carefully and must be judged on what the results could be on our God given rights.

    • Raggs

      I agree with you, its kinda like asking the supreme court to turn down oblama care in which we all know they will uphold it.

      • David in MA

        The decision should be interesting because there are parts which other courts have declared unconstitutional and without a severability clause the whole thing is unconstitutional, if the supreme court floolows the constitution…..(were in deep do-do)

  • John

    I AM LOVIN’ IT!! The Bandits of the Beltway are imploding!! Slowly, real Americans are starting to turn into the wind and wondering what that horrible odor from the east is. It’s Washington, DC–from inside the beltway. I am extatic the maggots had the gaul to pass this monstrosity! May they scurry into the surf just like the lemmings they dumber than! Look at all that’s happened since 9/11 and understand it’d take a big, thick book to discuss all the freedoms that have been taken from us in the name of “our” safety. I alledge the Nazifacation of America is for the financial benefit of the weasels. If I knew how to do it, and if I had the time (I have to work two jobs to support a family) I’d research two things: 1) how many congressional vermin have Swiss bank accounts, and 2) how many own property in countries that have no extradition treaty with America? Then go count the number of private jets lined up at Reagan International. And if this blurb gets me “detained,” remember this: I have to raise an army somewhere….

    John Burleson–I fear no government scum.

  • CaptTurbo

    It’s difficult not to fall into despair seeing the Constitution discarded as is happening under the filth of the Obama mis-administration. May the Lord watch over us and restore our land.

    • ALL AMERICAN

      Amen, C.T.
      I have handed the prob to HIM, but still, HE depends on us to follow truth and fight against darkness.

    • ALL AMERICAN

      I have handed the prob to HIM, but still, HE depends on us to follow truth and fight against darkness.

  • http://none Scott Ezell

    Old Soviet Union? Be careful what you say. Big brothers watching you.

  • http://google.com Rob

    “Co-sponsor Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) made clear what lawmakers have in mind when he said: “If you’re an American citizen and you betray your country, you’re not going to be given a lawyer.”

    Welcome to Castro’s Cuba. Merry Christmas Mr. Obama, now you can fill up Gitmo with every one who disagrees with anything you say. This is a complete atrocity. So much for due process or the Sixth Amendment. The definition of Terrorism just expanded to anything anybody says it is. Watch out Tea Party Patriots, protesting terrorizes the Black Congressional Caucus. Carrying a gun anywhere is terrorism, using the N Word terrorizes Blacks. As we get closer and closer to election day, Gitmo might start filling up. I think Graham, McCain, Levin and Obama should all resign for blatant violation of the US Constitution.

    • Jay

      Not only will you not be given a lawyer, as well, you will not be given a trial. This way, they can dispose of you without much fuss, as there will be no trace of you, since there will be no paper trail!

      • David in MA

        Isn’t that chinese law/justice?

        • cawmun cents

          I believe it was the Scottish wiseman who stated,

          “Call off your dogs because I am no fox,
          Turn off your white light,my alibi is rock tight.
          Your nightstick cheaptrick is pullin’me in.
          Your monkeysuit,black and white,bluesuit,law suit,
          Is wearin’…..mighty thin.”

          Dan McCafferty-Nazareth
          -CC.

    • s c

      Rob, do you think Senator Limpy Graham was bright enough to mean ELECTED vermin in Washington when he talked about people who “betray” their country? It wouldn’t at all be FAIR if our elected slime weren’t included in that definition.

  • DH

    I hear the footsteps of Hitler at the door.

    • eddie47d

      I think that is your wife and she doesn’t look too happy! You’ll be in the doghouse now.

      • DaveH

        Spoken by one who knows all about dog houses. Sick Puppy.
        Seek help, Eddie, if not for our sake, then for the sake of your granddaughters.

      • JC

        eddie47d says:
        December 16, 2011 at 4:14 pm
        I think that is your wife and she doesn’t look too happy! You’ll be in the doghouse now.

        What is the point of a comment like that?
        No wonder you get attacked all the time…

        • DaveH

          Eddie gets off on negative attention.

        • Old Henry

          I think eddie was just haveing some fun.

  • Jay
  • Old Henry

    Bob states: “Who living then could have envisioned that such a thing would come to America?”

    Remember, Little Barry was elected by, ah, 69 million brain-dead scum-bags so he could “Fundamentally change America”.

    Welcome to Change you dirty scum-bags. Let’s hope you useful idiots will be the first to hit the Gulags.

    • leofa

      I don’t think King B Hussein Obama is alone here. Did you forget GW Bush and his Patriot Act? And who proposed REAL ID?

      • David in MA

        I thought clintin was responsible for the patriot act and bush just signed it’s renewal…

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1207123702 marty

          no. It was created under Bush Cheney

          • Think about it

            Who gives a $h1t, theres nothing patriotic about it, it was done by both parties, things like Oklahoma City and 9/11 were false flags to help bring these bills into play, now its the American people who are the terrorists, WAKE THE HELL UP.

          • Jay

            I’m with you on that one, Think about it!

  • leofa

    I take it to mean that if you do not offer your allegience to and support all the laws of this country (especially drug and firearm prohibition) that you are supporting terrorists. So if you stockpile weapons and/or ammunition, books on how to improvise survival, or are accused of using illegal drugs you are supporting terrorists and you don’t deserve an attorney or trial. As far as I know, the only other country that currently has an overt policy remotely similar to this would be North Korea.

  • David in MA

    It looks like another un-constitutional “law”!
    For those of you who are still in denial about fema camps, do a search.

  • alfred

    Obama is a communist bastard /Islamic terrorist and the Congress are too blind and stupid to comprehend that.

    • Think about it

      Keep this in mind, they passed it before it got to Obama, but i do agree with your comments about Obama.

      Vote Overview
      Totals Democrats Republicans Independents All Votes
      Needed To Win
      Yea: 93 (93%)

      Nay: 7 (7%)

      Present: 0 (0%)

      Not Voting: 0 (0%)

      Alabama
      Yea AL Sessions, Jefferson [R]
      Yea AL Shelby, Richard [R]

      Alaska
      Yea AK Begich, Mark [D]
      Yea AK Murkowski, Lisa [R]

      Arizona
      Yea AZ Kyl, Jon [R]
      Yea AZ McCain, John [R]

      Arkansas
      Yea AR Boozman, John [R]
      Yea AR Pryor, Mark [D]

      California
      Yea CA Boxer, Barbara [D]
      Yea CA Feinstein, Dianne [D]

      Colorado
      Yea CO Bennet, Michael [D]
      Yea CO Udall, Mark [D]

      Connecticut
      Yea CT Blumenthal, Richard [D]
      Yea CT Lieberman, Joseph [I]

      Delaware
      Yea DE Carper, Thomas [D]
      Yea DE Coons, Chris [D]

      Florida
      Yea FL Nelson, Bill [D]
      Yea FL Rubio, Marco [R]

      Georgia
      Yea GA Chambliss, Saxby [R]
      Yea GA Isakson, John [R]

      Hawaii
      Yea HI Akaka, Daniel [D]
      Yea HI Inouye, Daniel [D]

      Idaho
      Yea ID Crapo, Michael [R]
      Yea ID Risch, James [R
      ]
      Illinois
      Yea IL Durbin, Richard [D]
      Yea IL Kirk, Mark [R]

      Indiana
      Yea IN Coats, Daniel [R]
      Yea IN Lugar, Richard [R]

      Iowa
      Yea IA Grassley, Charles [R]
      Nay IA Harkin, Thomas [D]

      Kansas
      Yea KS Moran, Jerry [R]
      Yea KS Roberts, Pat [R]

      Kentucky
      Yea KY McConnell, Mitch [R]
      Nay KY Paul, Rand [R]

      Louisiana
      Yea LA Landrieu, Mary [D]
      Yea LA Vitter, David [R]

      Maine
      Yea ME Collins, Susan [R]
      Yea ME Snowe, Olympia [R]

      Maryland
      Yea MD Cardin, Benjamin [D]
      Yea MD Mikulski, Barbara [D]

      Massachusetts
      Yea MA Brown, Scott [R]
      Yea MA Kerry, John [D]

      Michigan
      Yea MI Levin, Carl [D]
      Yea MI Stabenow, Debbie Ann [D]

      Minnesota
      Yea MN Franken, Al [D]
      Yea MN Klobuchar, Amy [D]

      Mississippi
      Yea MS Cochran, Thad [R]
      Yea MS Wicker, Roger [R]

      Missouri
      Yea MO Blunt, Roy [R]
      Yea MO McCaskill, Claire [D]

      Montana
      Yea MT Baucus, Max [D]
      Yea MT Tester, Jon [D]

      Nebraska
      Yea NE Johanns, Mike [R]
      Yea NE Nelson, Ben [D]

      Nevada
      Yea NV Heller, Dean [R]
      Yea NV Reid, Harry [D]

      New Hampshire
      Yea NH Ayotte, Kelly [R]
      Yea NH Shaheen, Jeanne [D]

      New Jersey
      Yea NJ Lautenberg, Frank [D]
      Yea NJ Menendez, Robert [D]

      New Mexico
      Yea NM Bingaman, Jeff [D]
      Yea NM Udall, Tom [D]

      New York
      Yea NY Gillibrand, Kirsten [D]
      Yea NY Schumer, Charles [D]

      North Carolina
      Yea NC Burr, Richard [R]
      Yea NC Hagan, Kay [D]

      North Dakota
      Yea ND Conrad, Kent [D]
      Yea ND Hoeven, John [R]

      Ohio
      Yea OH Brown, Sherrod [D]
      Yea OH Portman, Robert [R]

      Oklahoma
      Nay OK Coburn, Thomas [R]
      Yea OK Inhofe, James [R]

      Oregon
      Nay OR Merkley, Jeff [D]
      Nay OR Wyden, Ron [D]

      Pennsylvania
      Yea PA Casey, Robert [D]
      Yea PA Toomey, Patrick [R]

      Rhode Island
      Yea RI Reed, John [D]
      Yea RI Whitehouse, Sheldon [D]

      South Carolina
      Yea SC DeMint, Jim [R]
      Yea SC Graham, Lindsey [R]

      South Dakota
      Yea SD Johnson, Tim [D]
      Yea SD Thune, John [R]

      Tennessee
      Yea TN Alexander, Lamar [R]
      Yea TN Corker, Bob [R]

      Texas
      Yea TX Cornyn, John [R]
      Yea TX Hutchison, Kay [R]

      Utah
      Yea UT Hatch, Orrin [R]
      Nay UT Lee, Mike [R]

      Vermont
      Yea VT Leahy, Patrick [D]
      Nay VT Sanders, Bernard [I]

      Virginia
      Yea VA Warner, Mark [D]
      Yea VA Webb, Jim [D]

      Washington
      Yea WA Cantwell, Maria [D]
      Yea WA Murray, Patty [D]

      West Virginia
      Yea WV Manchin, Joe [D]
      Yea WV Rockefeller, John [D]

      Wisconsin
      Yea WI Johnson, Ron [R]
      Yea WI Kohl, Herbert [D]

      Wyoming
      Yea WY Barrasso, John [R]
      Yea WY Enzi, Michael [R]

      See anybody you voted for ? i do, check out those tea party republicans, like Marco Rubio.

      • danN

        All who voted “yea” have violated their oath of office. They have voted against the American ideals. They are traitors.. Impeach them all! Give them a fair trial before we hang them publicly on the WH lawn.

      • leefromok

        Bernie Sanders voted nay? I’m shocked!
        I’m heart broke that one from Ok voted yea.

      • JC

        Time to Clean House.
        Go Libertarian.

  • Calvin Klien

    One president sets up another.When the next one takes over he does not give up any powers he adds to the ones left by the last one .The next one does the same.Eventually there is a dictator in charge of everything.Thats the goal…Just saying..Also there is a differance in picking up a suspect who is not a citizen of the U.S.and imprisoning him in Guantomino and kiling a citizen without due process.

    • DaveH

      I don’t believe the Constitution says anything about whether or not you need to be a citizen to get due process. And why should you be? I think it’s worse to deny a non-countryman due process, then it is to deny a countryman.
      It reminds me of my neighbors decades ago who called and wanted me to punish my daughter for hitting their son. I told them I’d look into it. After talking to some neighbor kids, I found that their son had pushed her down. When she got back up, he pushed her down again. So she got up and smacked the guy. They didn’t care about giving her due process because she wasn’t part of their family.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1207123702 marty

    I’m curious if Obama added a signing statement to the bill before signing this traitorous garbage into law.

    • Robert

      Perhaps this is a good thing if the Pentagon leaders will show some ball-itoes by arresting obama first out of the shoot for his acts of treason against the presidency and the Constitution! (no I did not make a mistake in capitalization I do not capitalize traitors names and will not capitalize the position until he is out!

  • JC

    How can you vote out these bums in our Politburo when we never elected them in the first place? There’s way too much evidence that all the major elections in this country are rigged!

    • JC

      I agree. The system is rife with corruption and can no longer be trusted.

  • Idylewylde

    Why is anyone surprised?

    They’ve been trying to shred the Bill of Rights throughout the 20th century. They’ve run end-plays at every step. They’ve finally got enough traitors like Graham signed on to make it look somehow legal.

    A word of caution to the traitors:

    Once you foul your own nest, no one else wants you. You can’t run. You can’t hide when the crows come home. Once you betray your fellow Americans, look to your back .. because not everyone you think is your fellow traitor is your pal. You will be betrayed in turn. That is the nature of the beast because traitors are always expendible.

    No dictatorship will allow traitors to survive .. they’re too undependable .. they’re too much of a liability .. too much of a painful reminder of the past.

    Bottom line: No one trusts a liar, a thief, and a murderer .. which is what all traitors are .. and this bill proves it.

  • Robert

    This could be a Silver lined Cloud in disguise, Put it into action and first military arrest should be barrack hussein obama! for he has already usurped the presidential powers and committed Treasonous acts against the United States of America! So Pentagon show someone the gonads that the Congress has failed to have and I would bet you that the American people majority would stand behind your actions! ARREST obama please!

  • Jay

    Sheriff Arpaio may be one of the first to be indefinitely detained by Obama. Arpaio has the goods to put Obama behind bars for falsifying his birth and social security records. Obama had to lie about his real identity so he could illegally become a US Senator, and then the President.

    The following story is hitting the mainstream media like a hurricane and they are not making any mention of the fact that Arpaio is investigating Obama. The public is being whipped up by the media and put into a lynch mob mentality no doubt so that Arpaio’s arrest will not cause much of a stir. The real identity of Barack Obama that Joe has uncovered is pasted below.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1513/896/Obama_To_Arrest_Sheriff_Arpaio.html

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Edward

    Let me ask a question? Will politicians, members of Congress, the Senate, and all high public officials, all the way to the top, be exempt from being indefinately detained because of the National Defense Authorization Act? They probably will be. This to me is amazing, when we have a president in office that can’t even pass E-Verify! It’s about time that the issues that politicians vote on include them also. Issues like health care, wage freezes, doing away with a 3% cola that only is paid on the the first $12,000. Unlike the 3% pay raise that politicians get on their full salaries. If they voted on issues that affected their lives and pocketbooks they would vote much differently on many issues. Its very easy to get tough and uncaring when the outcome of an issue does not effect you.

  • Donald

    The country is already lost. With our policies of “rendition” of people to foreign countries for interrogation. we now have a prison system as extensive as the Russian gulags. We must now learn not to be controversial lest we be spirited away to some strange part of the world.

    • JC

      How about a different approach? How about an American approach?
      How about we defend the security of our persons as prescribed in the US Constitution?

      • DaveH

        I’m hoping many of the states will get fed up and secede from this Unholy Union.

        • JC

          I’d rather they band together and erase the District of Columbia.

          • DaveH

            I’d rather they band together and just ignore Washington DC.

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