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Welcome To The American Autumn

October 11, 2011 by  

Welcome To The American Autumn

The dreams-from-my-father moment appears to be nearing as riots, sit-ins and protests grow throughout the country. “Social-justice” miscreants — a whole new generation of hippies — have escaped their cages and are running wild in New York, Los Angeles, Denver, Chicago and other U.S. cities. And make no mistake about it: They’re looking for red meat.

This weird mixture of commies and cuckoos are ecstatic over what BHO’s policies have done to the U.S. economy in less than three years, and they must surely be drooling over the thought of five more years of economic destruction. They believe, or at least they believe they believe, in the greatest of all contradictions — that by destroying wealth, there will be more wealth to share with “the masses”… you know, like in Mao Zedong’s China, Vladimir Lenin’s and Joseph Stalin’s Soviet Union, and Fidel Castro’s Cuba.

As you would expect, high-profile radicals — led by the Radical-in-Chief in the White House — are now crawling out of the woodwork and cheerleading the rabble-rousers. Some examples:

  • Frances Fox Piven, of Cloward-Piven fame, has waited four decades for a far-left savior to finish the job of destroying the U.S. economy and getting a majority of Americans dependent on the government for survival. Piven and her late husband, Richard Cloward, wrote an infamous article in 1966 titled “The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty.” In it they advocated pushing more people into social-welfare programs, which they believed would collapse the system and force reforms that would lead to a guaranteed annual income. This ugly little slice of Marxist cunning is commonly referred to as the “Cloward–Piven strategy.” In an interview at one of the Occupy Wall Street protests in New York, Piven said, “I teach at the Graduate School of the City University of New York. I am here because I am so enthusiastic about the possibilities of this sit-in, over the marches that are occurring over postal-worker issues, the sister demonstrations that are starting in Chicago and Los Angeles, and maybe in Boston. I think we desperately need a popular uprising in the United States.” I agree. We do need a popular uprising in the United States, but the Tea Party is already addressing that need. Tea Partiers just have to become more aggressive in pushing back against big government.
  • Van Jones, the first known self-avowed communist appointed to a major position (Green Jobs Czar) by an American President, praised the Wall Street hippie occupiers as the start of an “American Autumn.” Jones has instituted something called the “American Dream Movement” that, as far as I can tell, seeks to destroy the American dream and replace it with an equality-of-results society. Jones says he wants to “build a progressive counterbalance to the tea party” and take back the American dream. Sounds a bit strange — take the American dream? I wonder how you do that. After all, the American dream is about freedom. Does Jones mean that he wants to take freedom away from those he deems to be too successful?
  • Even Rosanne Barr, a one-time comedienne who was not very funny even in her prime, recently came back from the dead to offer up this Mao-like solution to the grievances of the social-justice crowd: “I first would allow the guilty bankers to pay, you know, the ability to pay back anything over $100 million [of] personal wealth because I believe in a maximum wage of $100 million. And if they are unable to live on that amount… of that amount… then they should, you know, go to the reeducation camps. And if that doesn’t help, then being beheaded.”

Sounds like fun to me. Maybe the government will start subsidizing guillotine manufacturers and refer to them as creators of “red jobs.”

Of course, no one comes close to stirring up hatred like the great uniter in the Oval Office.  While the others vie for attention, Barack Obama just keeps cruising along at the front of the revolutionary pack with his redistribution-of-wealth rhetoric, sounding more and more like a hysterical kid whose angry roots are exploding into the open for all to see.

It goes without saying that none of this is new. Those of us who are halfway informed and clearheaded have seen and read about this down-with-the-rich gibberish many times before. It’s the same old tired mantra of the left, going all the way back to Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, and later Lenin and Leon Trotsky. Today, the anti-capitalists in Congress are preaching the mantra louder than ever.

These Constitutional usurpers carry the misleading banner of compassion, while chuckling at an opposition that doesn’t have strong enough convictions to challenge them. Clearly, they view these conviction-lacking capitalists as useful idiots who can be manipulated into helping them achieve their goals.

If I were asked to give one piece of advice to students majoring in political science, I would tell them to beware of the individual who preaches endlessly about compassion, “shared prosperity,” “collective salvation” and other such abstract tripe. Such preaching has led to the deaths of at least a couple of hundred million people over the past two centuries, and the atrocities continue to this day.

Henry Grady Weaver put it well in The Mainspring of Human Progress when he wrote:

Most of the major ills of the world have been caused by well-meaning people who ignored the principle of individual freedom, except as applied to themselves, and who were obsessed with fanatical zeal to improve the lot of mankind-in-the-mass through some pet formula of their own. …

The harm done by ordinary criminals, murderers, gangsters, and thieves is negligible in comparison with the agony inflicted upon human beings by the professional “do-gooders,” who attempt to set themselves up as gods on earth and who would ruthlessly force their views on all others — with the abiding assurance that the end justifies the means.

Nobel Prize novelist and poet Anatole France put it more simply when he said, “Those who have given themselves the most concern about the happiness of peoples have made their neighbors very miserable.”

But perhaps the best and simplest of all is to be found in the aphorism, “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.” Of course, this statement assumes that an individual has good intentions to begin with, but that’s another article for another time.

With that, let’s all sit back and enjoy Van Jones’ American Autumn — now in progress. I have to believe Maximilien Robespierre would have loved it.

Robert Ringer

Robert Ringer

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  • s c

    Roseanne Barr almost rates a free pass – compared to scum like Cloward and Piven and everybody’s favorite communist, Van Jones. It’s not every ex-con who can claim to have been a czar for Opraiseme.
    Cloward and Piven are prime examples of ‘people’ who have happily disconnected from the human race, and yet claim to give a damn (as long as it’s revolution and destruction, that is). They are gleefully beyond sick.
    Roseanne I can tolerate. As for the others, put them in uniforms, and let them try to get through one day in combat conditions. Better yet, drop them into North Korea via parachute, and let them try to convince the North Koreans that ‘it isn’t what it looks like. We’re friends.’ That’s true social justice, folks.

    • ralph herman

      With forward thinking like the author had it prevailed in our fore fathers we would be singing “Gpd Save the Queen.”We are being destroyed by robber barons and getting less and less for what we have and pay more for what they have.Long live labor unions and decent over wrong thinking greedy pigs.

      • Bill

        where did you come from? The wall street protests?
        Go get a job!!

        • Karolyn

          Why the assumption that anyone who opposes your views is not working?

          • Marcus

            Time for the water cannon to clean up!

          • Old Henry

            Karolyn:

            He is a union guy. They do not really work even when they do have a yob…

          • eddie47d

            The Tea Partiers(Bless them) said we should take back America and you all cheered because you knew something was wrong. The Wall Street protesters say we should take back America because they also have seen America declining. Yet you all are now trying to close your minds and acting like nothing is wrong. If both sides see big problems then there has to be a common thread in shaping a more honest government. If crony capitalism is the evil that has to be changed then start working together and drive home that same point.

          • denniso

            The rightwingers who love the gunslinging tea party now decry the ‘Occupy’ movement for trying to tell the country that the wall street fatcats and super wealthy who screwed up the economy are now skating free of any responsibility for our mess…millions of workers w/o jobs while CEO’s still collect their multi million $ salaries. The wealthy paying their lowest tax rates in 60 yrs while our debt ballons because of the recession.

            Commies and cuckoos? That’s a total joke! When you rightwingers disapprove of anything you are reduced to spewing out, ‘Commies’,’Marxists’,and now the worst word yet,’Hippies’!!!

            Interesting that one contrast w/ the tea party is the focus on wall street and corporate greed and corruption,which the tea people ignored entirely…only because the tea party is backed and funded by corporate fatcats who orchestrated the rage toward gov’t instead.

          • Caroline

            This is to everyone here who can’t see the difference between the “Tea Partiers” protests and those occuring now on Wall Street, etc. The difference is that the Tea Partiers are protesting the government and the Wall Streeters are protesting those who actually create the jobs! Wall Street as a whole is not the problem. It was the government who bailed out the banks and corporations only to have them go bankrupt and/or give themselves raises. The government (i.e. President and Congress) GAVE OUR MONEY AWAY!!! All this “too big to fail” crap needs to go. Capitalism is based on the idea that you work hard and you grow your business and make a profit. There is nothing wrong with businesses making a profit honestly. The problem is when politicians reward failure with bailouts. And finally to all those union people, without corporations, there would be NO union jobs (and no jobs at all)! Then where would the government get their tax money from for all those “entitlements” you think you are entitled to!

          • Vicki

            Denniso writes:
            “The wealthy paying their lowest tax rates in 60 yrs while our debt ballons because of the recession.”

            Our debt ballons because OBAMA and a Democrat Congress chose to spend trillions more money then they had from taxing even the rich.

            ================================
            ccording to the Office of Management and Budget, the debt held by the public will grow by $3.3 trillion. In 20 months, Mr. Obama will add as much debt as Mr. Bush ran up in eight years.

            Mr. Obama’s spending plan approved by Congress last February calls for doubling the national debt in five years and nearly tripling it in 10
            http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704320104575015072822042394.html
            =================================================

            You may not agree with my sources but unlike Denniso and most liberals I have some.

          • Vicki

            Now for a moment let us look at taxing the rich even more than the paltry amount they pay to cover all that spending.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ

          • skip

            Only a mere 25 million unemployed or underemployed, I’m sure all because none of them want to work -especially those scum-bag teachers, firemen, policemen, and their common travellers who earn minimum wage planting and picking sweet potatoes, working Macdonalds, GodFather Pizza, and the like. Please tell me why Leonard Blankfein of Goldman Sachs needs 2 billion, not a cent of it earned by doing anything but picking the money out of the basket as it passes by, declares all of his income capital gains, and thus avoids even paying Social Security or Medicare taxes. WHen the 400 richest Americans control 90% of the wealth, we are in sad, sad shape. The Tea Partiers, other than those bought lock, stock, and barrel by the Koch Brothers, stand to lose absolutely everything. Sure,they can go back to subsistence farming of 1855 much like SUdan and Niger today, but that is how they ought to expect to live. When 8% of the nations Interstate trucking is quagmired on the Boehner/McConnell bridge over the Ohio and those wizards can’t figure out it is a good thing for traffic to flow and commerce to proceed, let them be the first to go back to back-breaking tobacco farming.

            More power to those exercising their first amendment rights – none of our founding fathers could have imagined the kleptocracy this nation has become. WIth no middle class – and don’t fool yourselves, Tea Partiers, absent the Koch Brothers paying your bus trips, you are middle class – this nation will not survive.

          • eddie47d

            Caroline and Vickie; Wall street seldom creates jobs anymore than Washington creates jobs. They are both important yet equally broken. The wealthy in Washington and on Wall Street don’t deserve your pity yet you seem to be giving it to them. I think they have both done enough damages to our economy so pick your poison. We may have to live with them but we certainly don’t have to accept the shenanigans from either entity.

          • denniso

            Caroline…you say that w/o corporations there would be no jobs. Really? So before modern industrial societies came along there were no jobs? For all the thousands of yrs before corporations came along there were no people building houses,sellig goods,making products that people needed to exist? You’ve got it precisely backwards,w/o workers there would be no corporations or billionaire CEO’s. Show me a single CEO who has ever produced a product on his own. Doesn’t happen,does it? Corporations have taken over much of the work and production,but where would they be w/ no workers?

          • denniso

            Rightwingers,oh rightwingers!!! Where are you? Can any of you defend corporations and the wealthy as the only and most important ‘job creators’,as compared to the real job creators? The people who buy products,consummers,and the workers who actually make everthing that is bought and sold are the real job creators. Like I said,show me one product that was ever made by the CEO or the board of a corporation. Show me a CEO who has ever driven a truck full of goods to market. Can Bill Gates or Steve Jobs physically build anything? Can GM,Ford or Toyota even exist w/o the workers?

            If we returned to the old days before corporations,we would still have working people making things that others would buy and use. If everything goes to hell in the future,how well do you thing a CEO will function if his money is worthless? Do you thing a carpenter or firewood cutter would be better off? Every man/woman who can work w/ their hands and can make/repair things will survive much better than a Bill Gates,because CEO’s can’t do much of anything except make money.

          • vicki

            Denniso writes:
            “Can Bill Gates or Steve Jobs physically build anything?”

            Why yes they can. They don’t need to however. Lots of people offer to do it for them in exchange for money.

            Denniso: “Can GM,Ford or Toyota even exist w/o the workers?”
            Why yes they can. Robots. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spRyegwBhKg

          • denniso

            Bill Gates can’t build anything at all…people like him have ideas or a ‘vision’,and can write software,but they need actual skilled people to do the real ‘work’. Despite the advance of automation in car plants and other manufacturing they still need people. Why has much of our manufacturing gone to third world countries? Because of the cheap HUMAN labor costs there… anyone who thinks a bit and is not blinded by ideology knows that workers and consummers are the real job creators…corporations provide the venue for production and marketing,but the workers come first in the process.

          • Vicki

            Denniso writes:
            “anyone who thinks a bit and is not blinded by ideology knows that workers and consummers are the real job creators…corporations provide the venue for production and marketing,but the workers come first in the process.”

            So let us test this theory. Workers and Consumers are the job creators. If this is so then why do we need government to create jobs? Obviously the liberal claim that we spend tax money to create jobs is, as conservatives have always known, a lie.

            Now another test of Denniso’s theory. There are lots of workers. There are lots of consumers. So why then are so many jobs missing?

            Another test. Bill Gates wants to start a new business selling cars. Bill knows nothing about cars but he knows that there are people out there who do. Bill decides he needs 10,000 people to help him. Bill takes out an ad in the newspaper saying he has 10,000 jobs for skilled people.

            According to Denniso’s logic Bill the worker/consumer created jobs.
            So which really came first The skilled workers or the jobs? Or was it just one person with, according to Denniso, no skills.

            Or just maybe Denniso’s theory is in error. (Or poorly stated)

          • denniso

            In case you hadn’t noticed Vickie,we’re in a recession and could have been in a depression. A recession sucks money from almost everybody,except the wealthy,so the consummers are worried and holding on to their money. If consummers weren’t so nervous about their money,job and future,we would see the economy improve. Sure,in an industrial economy the wealthy have the capital to start businesses,but if they were’nt around we would have small biz people filling the needs of consummers. In an industrial society we need both capital and labor,but what good would capital be if there were no workers to build the products?

          • vicki

            denniso says:
            “A recession sucks money from almost everybody,except the wealthy,so the consummers are worried and holding on to their money.”

            A recession does no such thing. Consumers are waiting for prices to go down on stuff they want. ALL consumers, be they business or individual.

            Denniso: “If consummers weren’t so nervous about their money,job and future,we would see the economy improve.”

            So tell gov to quit messing with taxes so consumers (including businesses) can have a stable environment to make investment decisions.

            Denniso: “Sure,in an industrial economy the wealthy have the capital to start businesses,but if they were’nt around we would have small biz people filling the needs of consummers.”

            Small businesses have ALWAYS filled the needs of THEIR consumers. They could do so again if government over regulation (which big businesses can afford) would please go away.

            Denniso: “In an industrial society we need both capital and labor,but what good would capital be if there were no workers to build the products?”

            As I have shown you previously workers are NOT needed to build products hence your argument is flawed. In case you missed or ignored it here is another link to an automated assembly line proving that humans are not needed to build products.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYRmlljrT7A

          • vicki

            And in case the link to the automated build is not enough to convince you that humans are not needed to build products try this. You can even buy this for your very own home.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7XKrNJlgJg

        • Old Henry

          Bill:

          LOL! And speaking of the protests, yesterday I read an on-line article about the degredation taking place in NYC. Basically Sex, Drugs and Rock ‘n Roll. They have baskets of free condums in the Main Areea as I think they called it. No one can state their real purpose other than, yep, Sex, Drugs and Rock ‘n Roll. It sounded like a re-make of the maggot invested scum protesters of the 60s.

          • denniso

            That’s a rather mindless comment.Maybe you could pay attention a bit more?

          • DaveH

            That’s a rather ironic comment coming from the king of mindless comments — Denniso.

          • Opal the Gem

            maybe you should get out more dennis the menace I read an article that said much the same thing.

          • bluefish46

            I would like to see “Old Henry” carry a satchel and do my union job for a day(letter carrier). He probably wouldn’t last an hour. But more to the point, both sides here are too simplistic. Some of the protesters (both now and in the 60′s) are right. Some of the Wall Street companies took money from their clients and then turned around and took money from the government(too big to fail?). The war in Vietnam was wrong(because the political leaders and the military fought it wrong-we won militarily, remember?). We need to get rid of the congress critters that are more focused on enriching themselves (Pelosi,Obama et al) than taking care of business(you know, not bankrupting the coutry).

          • Karolyn

            Old – Do you believe everything you read online? How about a link? Also, these protesters are a wide and veried cross-section of Americans protesting a lot more than Wall Street. I suggest you look a little closer. There may be the types of people you look down your nose at, but there are also people like your own neighbors.

          • Vicki

            Bluefish46 writes:
            “Some of the Wall Street companies took money from their clients and then turned around and took money from the government(too big to fail?). ”

            Unlike Obamacare NONE of the wall street companies took money at gunpoint.
            They accepted money freely offered to them by their clients and by government.

            The real problem is that government took our money at gunpoint and then gave it to SOME cronies in WallStreet. Hence you see that Reagan was correct. Government is not the solution.

          • Old Henry

            Karolyn:

            It was either World Net Daily, Newsmax, Vision to America, Patriot Update, Conservative Bytes, News With Views, Town Hall

          • Old Henry

            Karolyn:

            Whoops. Try this one. I had to dig around in the Delete folder and then hit Submit too soon.

            http://patriotupdate.com/13147/sex-drugs-poor-sanitation-eclipsing-occupy-wall-street

          • Old Henry

            What does that satchel weigh bluefish46?

            That is part of the problem. People try to make our problems complex. They are not. Too much “guvment”. Period. Eliminate ALL un-Constitutional goverment and the country will thrive, the budget will not only be balanced, but surplussed and the debt will be paid off. Oh, and there will be NO IRS as it is one of the illegal agencies.

          • skip

            Absolute nonsense – what kool aid are you drinking?

          • bob wire

            “Unlike Obamacare NONE of the wall street companies took money at gunpoint.”

            Right! They used extortion instead

          • olinda moore

            for me old the left is doing is destroing more America,the big companies are looking at what happens now in USA they probably pack and go to China less tax for them to pay and more prosperity, i said to all of them is time to thing and go do all this left tea party in from of the White House let the president see what his done to our people; not in Wall Street,thing the hat is not only for the hesd is for think and do……………….

          • vicki

            bob wire says:
            “Right! They used extortion instead.”

            Of course I am right. Government uses criminal force. Companies use ingenuity or compelling argument.
            http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/extorting?show=0&t=1318455895

            Government ignores free will
            Companies appeal to free will.

            Government is anti-choice.
            Companies are pro choice.

        • http://MSN.com Mary T

          Occupy Wall Street seeks to demonize big banks, large corporations and capitalism. Its goal is to overturn America’s economic structure. The protesters are calling for wealth redistribution, fees on bank profits and massive tax increases on the rich.

          Many are demanding a socialist revolution — the confiscation of private property and nationalization of the economy. They are the heirs of Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels and Vladimir Lenin. Their aim is to impose the hammer and sickle upon America.

          Mr. Obama has said he “sympathizes” with the protesters — especially their anger at Wall Street and “fat-cat” bankers. For years, he has demonized billionaires and millionaires, jet owners and corporate America. His divisive, irresponsible rhetoric has laid the groundwork for Occupy Wall Street.

          Who are the people supporting the Wall Street protesters? Occupy Wall Street — a movement composed of communists, anarchists, socialists and anti-globalization student radicals — is spreading.
          Protests have swelled in cities including New York, Washington, Los Angeles, Chicago, Denver and Philadelphia. The protesters are gaining influence and numbers. A ragtag group of hippie students has turned into a potent political force.

          • Chris Schilke

            Mary T,
            The sad thing is that people can’t see how Obama is becoming one of the fat cats himself. If he’s not yet he will when he gets out of office. The attainment of power seems to be the goal of most politicians. I’d like to believe that there are at least a few honest ones out there.

          • Karolyn

            The protests have also caught on in other countries.

          • libertytrain

            Karolyn – I didn’t see anyone gathered in protest and crapping in the streets in Germany a week or so ago while I was there, but I didn’t go to Paris – they appear
            inclined to litter the streets with their bodily excrement. That I have witnessed without any protests going on. Just everyday life for them.

          • http://apfn.org Anthony Clifton

            Dingbats watching Talmudvision doesn’t change True. One simply must have true Information to reach true conclusions. Funny how that works. – http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm – Communism comes from Talmudic Judaism. Freemasonry comes from Talmudic Judaism. Zionazism comes from Talmudic Judaism. So-called “Jews” are not Israelites. The Federal Reserve “NOTES” are not “dollars”. Stupid will never change true….Ring…Ring, telephone rings…somebody says ”Whatcha doin”?

          • Louis P

            Socialist revolution? Confiscation of private property? I worked too damned hard for what little I Have but, if you want to see a revolution, just try taking my property and I will give anyone a personal introduction to what a revolution is. They will meet face to face with the business end of a .357.

            Then we’ll see how much they really want a revolution.

        • Randy131

          Obama’s class warfare rhetoric has ignited the occupying rioters on the American streets, which is growing ever larger each day, and providing Obama with what he wants, an excuse to declare Marshall Law and cancel all elections until he deems order to be restored, continueing his Presidency for as long as he wants. Think that is a reach and impossible, just wait till the first of the year of 2012, and the polls become even worse for Obama, and he realizes he has no chance to be re-elected. The Anti-Christ is given political power for the first 3 1/2 years durring the Tribulation, then through tyranny takes it the next 3 1/2 years, until he can be thrown out of power, could this be the set up that cancels elections 3 1/2 years into Obama’s first term? Makes one think of the possibilities, doesn’t it, for will the Biblical Prophecies ever come true, and in what ways?

          • Chris Schilke

            You know Randy131, you could be exactly right. It will take a crisis to usher in the NWO. This could be the trigger to do it. However, I believe Obama is just a stooge, a front for the real power players. They might just use him to throw the wrench into the works. Time to get on our knees and pray then get up and do something about it. Although I’m not sure exactly what to do other than to pray for peace so that the crisis is stalled. I’m not sure I’m ready yet.

          • Glenn Leahey

            MAYBE, just maybe, try to TALK with some of these protesters if they’re in your area. OR maybe check a newsource like NPR radio which has posted interviews with some of them. While they seem (and some of them certainly are) like a group of un-showered, smelly anarchists, some of them have legitimate gripes…people who have “retired” and (after the fact) have lost some/all of their pensions because of financial malfeasance…people who can’t retire because their home values have plummeted over 50%–60%….ALL THE WHILE the rich in this country (and in the world) are getting richer. Some Ron Paul supporters are now part of the protests as well! The tax code is now over 1400 lbs. and poor and working people didn’t make it that heavy. Screw the K street lobbyists…let’s END CRONY CAPITALISM! (and vote out their supporters in Washington, DC…BOTH parties! (follow the money…)

          • Old Henry

            Yes Chris, pray and lay in the weeds with dry powder. Don’t act too hastily. Wait and watch. Don’t let them force our hand and give them the reason. However, if necessary that is where the dry powder comes into play.

          • Erik

            Yes, bible fairy tales are very scary…….to the ignorant, unwashed masses. Maybe we should fear Darth Vader. He’s very scary. wooo……..

        • Houizi

          … and take a bath while you’re at it!

        • http://www.roman-empire-america-now.com/Roman-Empire-blog.html Douglas C. Smyth

          Idiot! That’s part of the problem: no jobs. And Obama has nothing to do with this movement; if he’d put through a stimulus that built jobs instead of Wall Street bonuses, there wouldn’t be any need for this movement. As for redistribution, it’s been happening in reverse since Ron Reagan, which is why there is greater inequality in the US than in any other developed nation (and a good many underdeveloped ones, too). We need progressive taxes so that the people who benefit the most from an orderly nation and an educated and skilled one, also pay the most.

        • Void1972

          I agree with protesting against the corrupt bankers and government that have destroyed America and Europe, but these freaks that have gathered in our cities are mostly communist and the end result of “problem, reaction, solution.
          The “problem” was created by the democrats in giving away houses that the minorities could never afford.
          The ‘reaction” was bankers making trillions off of securities based on those mortgages that were never meant to be sold.
          The “solution” is what is happening now, the end of the free market and freedom.
          This has been extremely well thought out and the result will be revolution in America.
          I have to give the communist much due credit, but in the end you will lose.
          God bless America, and those who fight for her!!!!

      • Capitalist at Birth

        When you come to steal my stuff, as I am a greedy pig, be prepared for the fight of your live. I have five firearms and thousands of rounds of ammunition. LOL Get a life you obviously are a commie pinko fag.

        • CP

          Hello,Uncle Joe, McCarthy, that is, not Stalin. He could see a communist behind every bush and inside every shadow.

          • Old Henry

            CP, Joe had pretty good eyesight!

          • Redd Frogg

            Wake up fool! They aren’t in the bushes and the shadows. They are in the government, the schools, the unions and in almost all media. Now they have no doubt co-opted (hijacked) the Occupy protesters. They are marching upon the homes of the so called rich. However, none of these rich are Democrats or Social*ists. How about marching upon the homes of George Soros, Michael Moore and Nancy Pelosi for examples. Oh no! Can’t do that! They are examples of those who have hijacked them, their cause and installed (brainwashed) the stand into their heads that they are now taking. The protesters have become the useful idiots the Social*ists are so fond of killing after all is said and done. Don’t believe me? Go look it up in history. Useful idiots are always killed in the end.

          • Vicki

            CP writes:
            Hello,Uncle Joe, McCarthy, that is, not Stalin. He could see a communist behind every bush and inside every shadow.”

            And history has demonstrated that he was correct. There were. Now they are out in the open and all over Hollywood, the streets and in powerful government positions.

        • eric

          This guy conveniently forgets that while Hitler killed over 200,000 American soldiers, Stalin killed none and in fact probably saved that many by destroying Hitler’s armies in the Eastern front.

          • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

            Actually, Stalin received a gift from his fellow collectivist FDR – after the Russians ‘liberated’ a number of German POW camps there were many US troops that should have been repatriated – instead Stalin was allowed to keep them – this is the real reason Patton wanted to take on Russia – and that was one reason why he was murdered as well as to keep him from talking about how the war was prolonged for the sake of the war industry

          • johnk

            if you remember, it was either that or Hitler would’ve wiped the memory of Lenin and Stalin off the face of the earth.

          • Old Henry

            Yes johnk, Hitler got very over-extended. Sound familiar?

            If Hitler had gone after Stalin / Russia first, taken them out and then began with the rest of Europe he might have been able to pull it off.

        • Thomas B

          You hit the nail on the head! It’s commie pinko fag. Those are the enemy! They are the sneaky behind the scenes freaky occult weirdos who also, unbeknownst to many, are into practicing witchcraft too. They are very secretive about this aspect of themselves! They practice black magic in which they can actually kill people, and this I know because I know some of them and what they’ve done. The witches and wizards are always gay. They are less than human once they progress to the occult stage of their de-evolvement. They should not be allowed rights. If we survive obamma, it should and will be open season on these parasites. They don’t plan on us surviving though, and they have their plans all made for a sweeping crushing victory over America. That’s why the head of the snake must be cut off right away.

          • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

            You are a damned fool for thinking that this popular discontent model could be so simplistically pigeon holed – there is a divergence of views in this – some mind you SOME of this movement could be aptly fitted into what you are saying – but your model is simplistic and thus dismisses many like me that simply want honest competition – honest wages and an accountable lawful government unlike the system we have now regardless of which marionette the plutocracy has in the oval office

          • Karolyn

            ooooeeeeooooo! I’m shakin’ in muh boots! Yours is the kind of mentality we want running this country? Give me a break!

          • Chris

            I bet you live in a cave and carry a club. Yoy sound like a neanderthal.

          • Vicki

            Thomas B writes:
            “They should not be allowed rights.”

            Don’t you just hate having to give people you don’t like what you demand for yourself?

            Any power you give government to take away rights of those you do not like can and WILL be used against you when they get control of government.

          • skip

            You guys are caught up in the Commie hysteria – they went out decades ago. What you had better catch up with that we have become a nation of dumbed-down, uneducated, hyper-greedy wastrels. It is the opposite of communism that is wrecking us – control in the hands of the super rich, the rest of us destined to be their slaves one way or another. The one remaining so-called communist nation is China, and they are out-educating, out producing, out thinking is at every step. We decided the solar energy, for example, would threaten our oil-producing buddies, so they picked it up and will bury us even worse when the real energy crunches come. Why can’t we at least produce the stuff, even if you don’t want it used here. Why our our huge corporations sitting on trillions of money in the bank and not patriotic enough to invest it here in what was the good old USA? We could build one hell of a lot of excellent and efficient infrastructure that they could partner in. And were you aware that in 1936, about 90% of this nation, particularly the farms, had no electricity, private enterprise wasn’t up to the task, that good old commie pinko pig FDR stepped up to the plate and got it done with all those worthless scumbags who didn’t want to work and wanted to live forever on the dole putting their shoulders to the wheel. Same with the Hoover Dam, TVA, etc. – all plots of the commies to take us over. If so, bring on the commies – if that is what they can do, I’d take them over Wall Street and the Koch Brothers any day.

          • Old Henry

            Yeah Vicki, when they came after the jews I did nothing for I was not a Jew. When they came after the blacks I did nothing for I was not a black. When they came after the Christiians I did nothing for I was not a Christian. And then they came after me….

          • http://www.roman-empire-america-now.com/Roman-Empire-blog.html Douglas C. Smyth

            Wow! Witches, wizards and commies! What have you been smoking? Oh, and try spelling for a change.

          • vicki

            Skip writes:
            “And were you aware that in 1936, about 90% of this nation, particularly the farms, had no electricity, private enterprise wasn’t up to the task, that good old commie pinko pig FDR stepped up to the plate and got it done”

            Yes that pig pulled out his government force and took money at gunpoint (just try to not pay taxes) from private enterprise for his pet cause. If he were just a citizen he would have been thrown in jail as a common thief.

      • CP

        Hey Ralph, it is nice to hear someone other than a McCarthy sound-alike on here. Too many of the posts I see on here want nothing to do with the unions, as they do cost the manufacturer more money. Even worse, they protect the worker from arbitrary firing or reduction in pay. I will agree that some of them, the leadership, anyway, have gone a bit past what they were originally organized to do, but life with them is still a LOT better than it would be without them.

        • Old Henry

          A bit past what they were originally organized to do CP?

          Now, that is the understatement of the year, if not the century.

          Where do unions get off telling ANYONE how much they have to pay someone? If you do not like your job / pay / conditions go start your own business and compete against them. Take their workers / labor force away by paying the higher wages, etc.

          • Vicki

            But Old Henry that is not the socially responsible way to redistribute wealth. The ONE TRUE WAY is to form a union and shut down the plant so no one gets wealth. Then beg the government to protect you from those mean capitalists. Maybe forcing them to pay you even if you don’t bother to produce anymore cause the union will protect you from being fired.

          • eddie47d

            I bet there is not a family in America who hasn’t benefited directly or indirectly from unions. The time off and many other benefits that corporations give and even small businesses can be linked to what unions fought for.

          • Vicki

            Eddie47d writes:
            “I bet there is not a family in America who hasn’t benefited directly or indirectly from unions.”

            I can play that game too.

            I bet there is not a family in America who hasn’t been harmed directly or indirectly from the irresponsible actions of unions.

            Now here is the difference. I provide a cite for my bet. Where’s yours?
            http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/LaborUnions.html

        • Marty S.

          You brought up a point about unions in the mfg setting which is reasonable to an extent and based on history it makes sense to keep companies from abusing their employees keeping wages competitive etc. However, we never should have allowed the creation of government service employee unionization which encourages and emboldens these bodies to turn on the taxpayer and hold them hostage.

          These “occupy” demonstrations are the beginning of the next level of abuses being perpetrated against a free America stemming from the government unions and thugocracy. These demonstrations are nothing more than a veil or front. It is all so sickening to observe. God save the USA while this whole disgusting scenario plays out. This will period we are enduring will go down in history as the true dark age of our great country. “Hope and change” ie the FUNDAMENTAL transformation the Marxist-in-Chief promised in exchange for his election in 08′ is now beginning to take its final shape. Stay tuned for more smoke and mirrors by this administration and more trembling by those elected to congress too chicken to stand up for what is right and demand Obama’s resignation.

      • Jeryl

        Ralphie, methinks you are a marxist. Yes, there is human greed and it stinks, but the answer those radicals offer is way off base.

        • Vicki

          They are demonstrating the epitome of human greed. They are demanding that they get something for nothing.

          • eddie47d

            They are demanding that Wall Street plays fair and stop buying off our political and economic system.

          • Vicki

            eddie47d says:
            “They are demanding that Wall Street plays fair and stop buying off our political and economic system.”

            Actually they are not demanding anything. Their website even explicitly says so.

            “…. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands.”
            http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/

      • wandamurline

        This whole thing is a distraction set out by the unions, the communists, the Demorats and BHO. This is to distract us from what is going on in Washington, i.e. Fast and Furious and Solydra. They want you to take your eye off the ball. These new hippies (at least the hippies of the 60′s had one thing on their mind besides LSD, and that was to stop the Viet Name war so the cowards in college were not drafted into the war and sent overseas)do not have a common cause…they just want the working class to take care of them….I call them leaches, not hippies. I am sure that there are some in the mob with justifiable grievances, but most are just your usual dumbed down college students that have paid for a pedigree education and got took. You can bet with the unions involved in this, it will turn ugly before long….just wait for it. The news organizations are spurring it along to try to take away from the tea parties….nice try, we continue to work to rid ourselves of ridiculous treacherous socalled representation….can’t wait until 2012.

        • eddie47d

          So people who protested the Vietnam war were cowards but the dozens of folks on this site who clamor for troop withdrawal and an end to the Iraq War are what now??Wandamurline extremism’s and name calling are solving nothing and is only allowing the Elites to keep these wars in perpetuity. What are you doing to end these wars and corral the abuses at Wall Street and Washington?

          • Old Henry

            In answer to your last sentence eddie – Vote Ron Paul.

            It is that simple.

            Rather than Ron Paul / Gary Johnson, how ’bout Rond Paul / DaveH?

          • JeffH

            Old Henry, either one would work for me…

          • DaveH

            Lol. Thanks Henry, but they don’t make a bullet-proof vest thick enough for me.

          • jyrine

            Yes eddie47d, they were and still are cowards and trators.

        • Old Henry

          Wanda, very good post. And we SHOULD NOT have to wait until 2012, but the “stoneless” leadership (for lack of a better term) in the House just cannot bring itself to do what needs to be done.

          • LAN

            OK, so whatever Obama wants is what needs to be done? Have some more Kool-Aid dude. All these diversions do not change the fact that spending is out of control, the climate is not good for small business, and Obama rewards his friends and punishes his enemies.

        • Glenn Leahey

          FYI: Ron Paul supporters are now part of the Occupy Wall Street protests in MANY cities. Why? The tax code is BLOATED now…1400+ pages and poor and working people didn’t make it that way. Maybe. just maybe if the “SPECIAL INTERESTS”, THEIR “k” STREET LOBBYISTS are “excised” from federal legislation…MAYBE then…STATUTORY taxes, you know the tax monies that EVERYONE ELSE has to pay can be reduced/ flattened. Many of these “Obama generation” protestors are as pissed off at him as there are at the RINO’s.

          • Old Henry

            Glenn:

            As I stated in a post, they are protesting in the WRONG place(s).

            They should be protesting outside 1600 and surrounding Capital Hill.

            THAT is where ALL the problems originate(d). These dirt-bag politicians create all the problems and then campaign on how to fix them.

          • eddie47d

            There have been hundreds of protests in Washington over the years and little changes. Now it’s time to take on Wall Street. You can’t slay the dragon when it has two heads and they are equally to blame.

      • Bob

        Labor unions are the greedy pigs. Son, you need to get a real education, not some Marxist propaganda fed into your spoon fed mouth.

        • texastwin827

          Actually, Bob I grew up in a union family and am old enough to remember the unions of those years compared to the unions of today. You are sadly mistaken if you think they are the same.

          Today’s unions are no different than our two political parties…they are bought & paid for and greed by their “executives” for both power & money are no different than Wall St or big Corporation’s. They stay in power by forcing the employer’s to accept paying for benefits that are bankrupting the govt & companies that use union labor. The union members believe they benefit from the unions, so they keep those same “executives” in power (just as the American voter keeps voting in the same corrupt politicians, into office).

          The Union Leaders NOR either of the two political parties, really care about what is happening to the American public…if you think so, then let me find a bridge to sell you, that is in a desert.

      • Dntmkmecmoverther

        Well, dopus maximus, how many employees are employed by poor people? Answer: NONE.
        Greedy pigs my rear end! You paint with a brush so wide it’s unbelievable. You don’t understand capitalism and hard work; as the two go hand in hand. It’s not ‘greedy’ to expect to make a profit in order to pay for those employees either; in fact it’s the reason there are ‘any’ employees! What part of economics don’t you understand?

        • skip

          The part I don’t understand is how Goldman Sachs secretaries pay more taxes than their CEO bosses? Explain please. I don’t mInd Gates or Jobs or Bloomberg, but I do mind the WALL STREET THIEVES.

          • Old Henry

            Skippy, who writes the tax code?

      • Brian

        Ralph, the problem isn’t Wall Street. The problem is the politicians you keep re-electing to Congress that make fascism legal.

      • DaveH

        What is decent, Ralph, about forcing your way on other people?

    • marcel duranleau

      America wake up from Alice Wonderland freaks,bastards,evils. They want this kind of Gov’t
      let them move to North Korea. Let me tell them those bastards,traitors they are better straight
      themselves before we are not afraid of those commies and we will fight those commies with so much
      force with the Help of Our True God. They will never have a chance. Go ahead commies try to impose on us.
      Be not afraid of those faces. Fear God only.

      • Karolyn

        Thanks for the laugh! :-)

        • TheRealBob

          This occupy wall street crowd is spending much of their time fornicating and drugging. Sounds like your kind of people karolyn. You scumocrats can be real proud of this bunch.

          • Vagabond

            just like the sorry son of a bitche’s protesting the vietnam war running around spitting on servicemen. thank God none of them spit on me because I wouldn’ be here today and neither would they,

          • eddie47d

            That is mostly a myth about protesters spitting on returning soldiers. Making this issue about sex drugs and rock and roll is also cheap and pathetic. I see some of you are starting the lies early so they will become reality. You know demonize the situation so the facts never get out. The housing collaspe,the misuse of Corporate money,corrupted politicians,Hedge Fund managers betting against America and still paying only 15% in taxes,keeping unemployment high,CEO golden parachutes and bonuses. Sure,play the game of smoke and mirrors while the real issues get shoved back in the corner and out of sight. There is not a one of you who cares about these urgent problems because you bring up some strange things like condoms and other non-existence issues which have nothing to do with what is going on.

          • texastwin827

            Eddie47…a myth?

            While he is deceased now, I would have dared you to say that to my husband…A Vietnam combat vet (door gunner on a gunship) who came home, through CA, and WAS spat at. Fortunately, for the “spitter” he didn’t hit him, because most likely he would have deeply regretted hitting his “target”, if he had.

          • Karolyn

            Jealous, Bob? You just can’t wait to use your favorite derogatory language can you? Boy, I am so glad I’m not a miserable old man like you! Is it even possible for you to carry on a civilized conversation with someone who disagrees with you?

          • eddie47d

            Yes Texas we have all heard those stories because they have been hyped up. I have also talked to veterans and when asked why they keep saying that they say because “that is what I heard”. It’s one of those urban legends that should been dumped in the trash long ago.

          • skip

            Bob – you are really out of touch with reality – for your own sake and those around you, please check into a mental health clinic and get this stuff sorted out. The sort of drivel that emanates from your mouth and brain is not God talking to you, believe me – please get some help somewhere. You must have the money to pay for your health care, the way you present yourself, so use some if to get some help.

          • independant thinker

            eddie, eddie, eddie, I clearly remember the news programs of that time showing returning solders being cursed and spit at by the crowds. I also talked to veterans who told of those actions not second hand or third hand but from their personal experience.

          • jyrine

            This is for eddie47d. You stepped in this time. You say it’s a myth about Vietnam vets being spat on by protestors. I knew there was a reason why I hate you so much eddie47d. I am one of your “myths”. When I got home to Longmont Colorado in 1970, myself and two other Marines that joined with me were invited to a party at the university in Boulder. Our high-n-tight hair cuts gave us away and when we entered the dorm room on the CU campus we were SPIT ON and CALLED BABY KILLERS. Myth eddie47d? That statement shows you to be not only ignorant, but callouse. May you rot in h@)).

    • Bryan

      You totally misrepresent this movement as you would rather have this country owned by Wall Street than by the people. That’s not “personal liberty,” that’s liberty for Wall Street to do whatever they want to this country and it people.

      Calling a set of legal documents a person is the ultimate redefinition of personhood. You wonder why there is no respect for life in America. You can call Google a person and a human being a
      “fetus” or a “blob of tissue.”

      • http://MSN.com Mike T

        Leftist radicals, such as Michael Moore and Noam Chomsky, have endorsed the anti-capitalist movement. Both men have glorified authoritarian communist regimes — Fidel Castro’s Cuba, Hugo Chavez’s Venezuela and the old Soviet Union. Their hatred for America has found expression in the rabble on the streets of New York and Washington. Actress Roseanne Barr even has called for the return of the “guillotine.” She wants bankers to be sent to “re-education camps,” and if they still refuse to hand over their profits, they should be beheaded, she says. This is the language of revolutionary terror and Marxist violence.
        The White House connection is even deeper. The protest’s main players all have ties to the Obama administration. Its primary organizer is former Obama “green-jobs czar” Van Jones. Mr. Jones is a self-avowed communist and follower of Saul Alinsky, the radical community organizer who also was Mr. Obama’s intellectual mentor. Mr. Jones said October is the month of the long-awaited “progressive offensive” — the watershed moment when students, labor unions, socialists and civil rights activists coalesce into an anti-Tea Party to blunt Middle America’s growing opposition to Mr. Obama.

      • DaveH

        We could cure those problems, Bryan, by first ending the charade that Corporations pay taxes, and then getting the Government out of the business of picking and choosing the winners and losers (Crony Capitalism).
        Corporations don’t pay taxes, people do. When faced with taxes, the owners of the businesses have few choices. They can raise their product prices (if they can), they can lower their workers’ pay (again, if they can), they can encourage their workers to produce more, they can move to a more hospitable environment overseas, or they can watch themselves lose money on their investment and give up the business. The Politicians are happy. The rest of us suffer. The corporate tax is just a sham way for Big Government to collect more from we the people.
        When consumers pick the winners or losers by dint of our purchases, we get the most out of our system. When Politicians pick the winners and the losers, the consumers lose (higher product prices), the taxpayers lose (subsidies, tariffs, etc.), and the workers lose (fewer jobs, lower pay, etc.).
        The Politicians are the problem. And they will continue to be until the ignorant masses educate themselves to reality instead of being led around by the nose by the propagandists.

    • Vagabond

      better yet S C line them up at a wall and get them out of our world. thats just what SCUMBAGS like them deserve,

      • Bryan

        WTF, are you saying they should be shot? Murdering American citizens because of their political views that this country should not be for sale to Wall Street?

        • libertytrain

          Roseanna Barr is suggesting people be beheaded – is that ok?

          • Dntmkmecmoverther

            …as long as she goes first. Then we will see how we want to proceed.

          • Karolyn

            ANYBODY who supports killing or maiming fellow Americans because of a difference in ideologies is an enemy of this country.

          • DaveH

            As are those, Karolyn, who advocate taking other peoples’ legally earned money and other property. And those who advocate forcing their choices on other people.

        • Old Henry

          Bryan:

          That precedent was recently established by Little Harrison J. Bonnell…

          • Isaac Davis

            Bingo!

        • Linda

          Bryon, isn’t that just what the commie-in-chief Obananna just did with the drones? But I agree with vagabond,the 60′s hippies were just chicken-sh–s afraid to do or die for their country! I spent my year over there like so many other REAL Americans.

          • bob wire

            No they were not chickensh–s, they were young people felling to find good sense in all the killing while envoys at the Paris Peace talks argued for months about the shape of the table.

        • Tinman

          bryan, these are Un-Americans so executing them is okay.

      • Karolyn

        Wow! You’re a REAL AMERICAN!

        • Brian

          Unlike the protesters who want to destroy America. Their stated demands prove this.

          • Karolyn

            Have you heard them MAKE any demands Brian? If so, please enlighten us.

          • Vicki

            That is one of the amusing problems of this “protest” They don’t seem to know why they are.

    • Old Henry

      s c:

      Speaking of social justice.

      I came up with a good tee shirt over the week end while on a walk.

      The caption would read SICAUAK HYSTUCE,
      There would be a picture of a gallows with Little Barry standing on it with a noose around his neck and a dark spot in his crotch as he waits for the trap door to spring.

      Now, that’s social justice!

      • eddie47d

        You Vagabonds have just proven that Conservatism is a sickness of immense proportions.Bryan hit the nail on the head especially since you have all cast the first stones.

        • Dntmkmecmoverther

          You either need medication or you overdid yours. Conservatism is what founded this great nation you moron. Get a history lesson and then post some sensible input.

          • mark

            Actually Slaveholders founded this nation. And their great tradition continues. You can lick the boots of the Wall Street Corporate State as all good conservatives must. But I never will.

          • Glenn Leahey

            “Conservatives” did not found this country…SOME, like John Adams, were more religion-based conservatives, but others like Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were basically “free thinking liberals’ who were part of the European based “Enlightenment”…you know…the one that conservative reactionaries in this country have railed against for 30-40 years….the SECULAR HUMANISTS! It was BECAUSE of these “liberals” that there is (at least part of the Constitution…on paper…things like “separation of church from state”…and the “separation of powers”. I hope that the TEA PARTY starts taking some whacks at the 1400 lb. tax code this coming term…only then can STATUTORY taxes be reduces and TAXES FOR EVERYONE can be “flattened”. Screw the K street lobbyists///let’s end CRONY CAPITALISM! As long as they obey local laws, I support the Occupy Wall Street protestors around the country.

          • Vicki

            mark says:
            mark says:
            “Actually Slaveholders founded this nation. And their great tradition continues.”

            In that time, owning slaves was much like owning cars today, such a claim to try to embarrass the founders is rather silly.

            You are correct about the tradition continuing however. The State enslaves millions with income taxes and tries to blame Wall Street for our troubles. As Reagan said. Government is the problem.

          • Old Henry

            Dntmkmecmoverther:

            I like your monider. It puts me in mind of Bill Cosby and makes me smile when I read it.

          • Old Henry

            Glenn:

            According to Janet Nazitano they wold all be terrorists and Little Barry would drone them.

          • eddie47d

            Cute Vickie Cars =Slaves? LOL A slave in every garage? I think you need to look a little deeper next time.

          • DaveH

            What Vicky said, Eddie, makes much more sense than your usual dribble.
            Slaveholders in our early history rationalized their enslavements just like Liberals today rationalize taking other peoples’ money and basically making slaves of them. Neither group was/is doing the right thing.

          • eddie47d

            Yes Mass-er Dave!

          • DaveH

            If I was your master, Eddie, I’d whip you every day.

          • Karolyn

            Ooh! Dave’s getting kinky!

          • Buster the Anatolian

            Pay no attention to eddie he is so dense he could not recognize an analogy if it bit him on the butt. If fact someone (Opal the Gem I believe) described eddie perfectly yesterday.

            “Pay no attention to eddie, he’s drunk all the time. drunk on liberal wine, bunches of it, and it’s ruined his mind.”

          • Vicki

            eddie47d says:
            “Cute Vickie Cars =Slaves?”

            Cars ~= slaves. I would have preferred to use cows ~= slaves or donkeys ~= slaves or even horses ~= slaves but so many liberals have no idea what those are that I thought I would stick to a fimiliar technology that has replaced them instead.

            I even thought of the Cotton Gin but I suspect liberals have no clue how that little bit of tech made cotton picking slaves redundant.

            I wonder what tech we can replace liberals with. Oh mainstream sitcoms on our IPhone/IPad.

    • ML

      I love the idea of dropping them by parachute into North Korea.

      Previously, my favorite was shipping them to one of the uninhabited Aleutian Islands along with all the death row inmates in the country. I would have told them that the last one standing could return home (to face trial for capital murder), and left them with only one knife between them.

      Either approach should produce favorable results.

      • DaveH

        It would have to be during the day so they could see where they’re going. North Korea at night (thanks to the kind of thinking that our Liberals try to push here):
        http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/dprk-dark.htm

      • mark

        A moving call for mass incarceration without trial. And so typical of this fascist site which would have cheered on the Japanese-American internment of WWII. All protest against the Monster Corporate State must be crushed. All must kneel and lick the boot of Wall Street. If you don’t, you’re not an American.

        • Song

          WRONG as usual mark. You are so blinded by your biased hatred that you have a hard time…I understand.

          • Karolyn

            Song – mark is biased by his hatred? Take a look a many of your fellow conservatives’ postings. You are only seeing what you want to see.

          • DaveH

            Karolyn,
            There are few “conservatives” on this site. A true Conservative advocates Freedom and Limited Government. Few of the people posting here fit that bill.

        • Dale on the left coast

          Get back to the park Mark . . . your friends are missin you!!

          • mark

            But they’re not bootlickers like you. They are not on their kneees like you licking Wall Street’s boot and the boots of the New York City Police.

          • DaveH

            I rarely see you post any kind of constructive comment, Mark. So, here’s your chance. What would you like to see this country do?

    • Isaac Davis

      For all the nay-sayers that think the TEA side of the argument is something radical and obtuse compared to the occupying campers with no focused attention except that the banks are the criminals–completely forgetting (conveniently?) that the banks are only allowed to operate under the rules that congress set forth for lending/investing. There is a video on the web of a guy named Mark Dice who wades into a crowd of occupiers and starts asking pointed questions about why people think that they are entitled to “free” money and benevolence from a gov’t who is the pinnacle of irresponsible and out of control. He is eventually asked to leave by the police, and he was threatened by members of the occupying crowd for simply voicing his views! The occupiers are happy as long as you agree with their close-minded perception that the problem is that they are getting free educations, their debt cleared, and that the banks are the root of the evil. The occupiers truly have no concept of reality and completely exonerate the gov’t for having any involvement in their supposed plight.

      Every problem we face as a Republic today is directly linked to some gov’t moron(s) causing the problem that they later turn around and attempt to convince the lemmings that they will fix by voting for them or allowing them to take more of the lemmings money to resolve the very issue that they created! Few, if any, problems ever created by gov’t/politicians have ever been fixed or resolved, but continue to fester for decades, requiring ever greater taxes to fix–yet, the scheme is to never fix it!

      I watched a video of some idiot yesterday saying that America was a “secular democracy”! When idiots like this believe this kind of dog-squeeze, you have the proof that the lessons of our American History and Heritage have been lost on at least one entire generation. That generation will, someday, be the generation who is gov’t.

      Few societies have ever existed beyond 200 years. Tick Tock.

  • JeffH

    What’s wrong with this picture? That’s right, MARXISM and COMMUISM!

    The Tea Party protests, you remember the ones where the protesters were peacefull and cleaned up their garbage when they were all done, have been called every dirty name in the book including Nazi’s, racists, ignorant, un-American terrorists, gun totin’ rednecks, teabaggers and lied about by the leftist MSM and now the PTB are praising the “Occupy Wall Street” protests.

    Hello! The community organizers are hard at work, problem here is that the protester aren’t quite sure exactly what they’re protesting except that it involve the rich, wall street, corporations or any other successfull entity they envy. They’re calling for a revolution! The 70′s all over again. Drugssex and rock-n-roll!

    “…as Frances Fox Piven and Cloward taught us, poor people movements are successful when they create conditions of un-governability and then you win vicotries”

    I wonder who’s promoted this idea and who’s really behind it. Wait, I know… It’s SEIU ex-boss Steven Lerner and his stragey to disrupt Wall Street, and cause economic Chaos in the banking system, starting with JP Morgan Chase Banks. Take money from the rich, give it to the poor, at all cost. This is an American plotting against other Americans. Perhaps Obama could authorise another drone attack on these American plotters.

    The Left’s Economic Terrorism Playbook: The Chase Campaign by a Coalition of Unions, Community Groups, Lawmakers and Students to Take Down US Capitalism and Redistribute Wealth & Power.
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/revealed-the-lefts-economic-terrorism-playbook-the-chase-campaign-for-a-coalition-of-unions-community-groups-lawmakers-and-students-to-take-down-us-capitalism-and-redistribute-wealth-power/

    • Jeryl

      And isn’t it interesting that they want to redistribute the wealth and power to themselves. They’re worse than the bankers they claim are doing the damage. I will add this, however, that there are a lot of greedy fat cat bankers, but the answer is not the one being offered by the Lefties. Have you ever considered that what is going on now is actually pressure from the bottom (Lefties, communists, etc.) and from the top (wealthy, power-hungry fat cats).

      • Old Henry

        Jeryl:

        They are simply LAZY PARSITES.

        I read an on-line article yesterday where an individual (can’t remember his name) stated most of the protesters are trusfunders and son’t need to be there.

        • Song

          I just listened to one such young man on our local radio station this morning. He was full of righteous idealism about better education for the poor, disenfranchised youth in the inner cities, or the downtrodden family living solely off of welfare. These people just haven’t been given a “fair” chance, he stated over and over again. They are stuck in a “cycle of poverty” which they simply can’t escape. The government, he continued has to do more! Help them more! Teachers need to do more! I tell you, I wanted to come through the radio to listen to this young man of 18 regurgitate the propaganda that has been spoon fed to our young people for the past 30 years. IT IS DISGUSTING! What we are seeing is a contest of ideologies and it is very simple. Who is responsible for their lives? Many on the “right” will say it is the individual. Many on the “left” will say it is anyone except for the individual because the individual is a “victim” of whatever they want to use for an excuse that day. Our country was not founded on the “people are victims” mentality.

          • Old Henry

            Song:

            Sounds like the “guvment” plantation to me.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Hear, hear Jeffh, I love it when Beck exposes the suckers for who they really are!___There is ALOT of people becoming increasingly confused by the OWS. Make no mistake folks they are NOTHING good!__The marchers are either vague about protest demands or are saying what folks want to hear, to attract additional supporters!__KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!

      • JeffH

        Angel, it was Beck 6 months ago that was making this prediction of unrest in the streets…

        • Angel Wannabe

          JeffH, Beck predicted alot he never gets credit for!__I watch him every night 5-7 without fail!

    • Angel Wannabe
      • eddie47d

        You bet and the protesters are telling Wall Street stop Treading on Me!You want to wreck our economy we will take you to task. Don’t Tread On Me! The Patriots took action against the British and their unfair practices and sent them packing. The American people need the courage to take on these new exploiters of our economic system (Wall Street and crony capitalists). Tell them to change their ways for they don’t own us. America isn’t a one sided deal where we do all the work and they reap all the rewards. Enough is Enough!

        • Dntmkmecmoverther

          The ‘new exploiters’ is the current administration: to the tune of 1.5 trillion in ONE year! No business or industry can top that level of economic fraud…and they paid off those financial institutions who support the democrats. You are barking up the wrong tree pal; go look at your buddy Obummer and his failed economic plans…there you will find the cause and remedy of our current cesspool situation.

        • eddie47d

          Obama as President like any President is part of the problem but he certainly didn’t cause the chaos. The blame needs to be laid straight at the feet of Congress and their Wall Street pals.

        • DaveH
        • Marty S.

          Hey Ed what if all these protesters went and bought the stock of the companies in competition with the ones they are mad at and drove them out of business with this kind of warfare? If they cant beat them why not buy some stock in them?

    • mark

      Actually numerous Tea Party protestors, not the majority of them, did hold up racist signs and Obama-as-Hitler signs and carried guns outside town hold meetings to intimidate their opponents.

      • JeffH

        Uh mark, mark, mark…those sign were being carried by leftist infiltators put there by the SEIU and crash the teaparty.org’s Jason Levin…problem is, it didn’t work..they just weren’t bright enough even with the MSM behind them.

        Jason Levin, creator of http://www.crashtheteaparty.org, said Monday the group has 65 leaders in major cities across the country who are trying to recruit members to infiltrate tea party events for April 15—tax filing day, when tea party groups across the country are planning to gather and protest high taxes.

        Levin says they want to exaggerate the group’s least appealing qualities, further distance the tea party from mainstream America and damage the public’s opinion of them.

        The site manifesto says they want to dismantle the Tea Party by nonviolent means. “We have already sat quietly in their meetings, and observed their rallies,” the site said.

        Another tea party organizer said the attempt to destroy the movement was evidence its message is resonating.

        “We’ve been ignored, we’ve been ridiculed. Well, now they’re coming after us,” said Judy Pepenella, a co-coordinator for the New York State Tea Party. “Gandhi’s quote is one we understand: ‘First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.’”

        • Song

          I love the claims from people like Mark and/or Tony or maybe they are one and the same without any factual evidence to back up their fallacious claims…EVER! They are so willing to be “lead by the nose” Sad for them!

      • Dale on the left coast

        Liar, liar pants on fire Mark . . .
        You are a lefties loon . . . like the protesters on Wall Street, void of any FACTS, 90% of the problems in America today . . . were caused by the GOVERNMENT ! ! !

        • mark

          Lots of our problems are caused by the government. But many more are caused by corporations and by the boom-and-bust cycle of capitalism. In its entire existence capitalism has always operated as a boom-and-bust system with sharp downturns, recessions, and on occasions, depressions. This is built into the capitalist system as anyone with even a sixth-grade knowledge of economics knows. Capitalism cannot exist without recessions. There has never been a recession-proof capitalist system in all of human history. It is in the nature of the beast. But this last one was created by criminal corporate speculation, negligence, and greed. You keep criticizing the government but Corporate America OWNS the government! That is why the goon cops are attacking the demonstrators. Corporate America buys the legislators and calls the tune. They bribe legislators to get rid of banking and mortgage regulations and then criticize the law makers for accepting their bribes and carrying out their instructions! And the Tea Party agrees with them! In fact the Koch Brothers and Dick Armey’s Freedomworks Lobby have virtually co-opted the Tea Party movement. Corporate American now owns the Tea Party too! That is why you will not hear one of them criticize Wall Street and the banks. They are the Tea Party’s new masters. The once feisty Tea Party have been reduced to corporate bootlickers like Congress, and the libertarians.

          • DaveH

            Mark,
            You’re an ignoramus. You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. The major booms and busts have all been a result of Government meddling in the economy. For instance, the Federal Reserve was created to level out the business cycle, but just 16 years later we had the Great Depression which lasted 10 years. Did your fellow Liberals learn from this? No, they want more.
            Study some of the links I’ve posted and learn something (that is if you want to learn).
            Better yet, pick up a copy of “How Capitalism Saved America” by Thomas DiLorenzo, and quit being an ignoramus.

          • independent thinker

            Even if we accept your boom and bust theory as fact it is better than the constant bust of a communiast or pure socialist system.

  • Chuck Case

    I predict ugliness and violence as the eventual product of this “group”. Makes me very nervous because this is a mindless, incoherent mob.
    I believe the conservative voices need to challenge Obama and the dems about this, e.g. confront them directly regarding thier support and empathy or give them a chance to disavow. In short, when this ‘movement’ eventually evolves into violence, they will be associated with the movement. Thus, conservatives can openly say: “Is THIS the government you want”? If you vote for Obama and the Dems, , you are voting for anarchy!

    • Bill Lee

      You are right. I hope Cain will be the forerunner calling Obama on this crap come Tuesday’s debate. I hope we get some decent facilitators this time.

    • Karolyn

      Am I seeing something different than you when I see coverage of the protesters? I don’t think so. All you see is a proportion of young people, and it turns you off. Well, this is happening all over the world, never mind the US. Here near me, in Charlotte, the protested over the weekend and into Monday – smaller groups and mostly middle class working people from what could be seen. You are only seeing what you want to see. Have you not seen the diverse signs addressing a myriad of problems? Have you not heard the interviews of ordinary fathers and mothers? They are better people than me and you.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        How are they better than me? You are obviously a dupe, or a comrade in arms. In which case you do not belong on this site.

        • Karolyn

          They are standing up for what they believe in, not just sitting at a keyboard bitching about it!

          • Old Henry

            Karolyn:

            What, exactly do they believe in? Taking what is not theirs? Redistribution? That is simply Communism.

            Or, are they CIA dupes? Remember, the CIA stirred up the mess in the ME and Africa with their plants.

            I have been giving a lot of thought to Little Barry and an beginning to believe he was supprted by the CIA from a very young age and groomed to be where he is doing what he is doing – working at a furious pace to destroy the U.S.

          • eddie47d

            What I’ve seen is Americans speaking out and voicing their opinions on a variety of issues. The only violence and anger seems to be coming from the police or folks here assuming there will be violence. Seems like too many of you want to silence others and endorse a police state where other opinions are silenced.Some here are showing their true colors when it comes to the First Amendment and the right to assemble.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Old Herny, What K believes in, appears to change on a Whim!

          • DaveH

            Karolyn,
            Aren’t you supposed to be busy earning your taxpayer-funded salary?

          • Old Henry

            eddie:

            Ya spose it’s time to take the sons of bitches out and send them straight to hell? Now…. let me see…. what group espouses that philosophy? And which of their “leaders” tacitly endorsed said phylosophy?

          • OB1

            Paid troll.

          • eddie47d

            Old Henry are you quoting the right wingers on this site for I have heard that numerous times right here.Raggs comes to mind on that.

      • Jeryl

        I live in Charlotte and didn’t even notice them. Probably some of the same sad, anti-American, Communist wantabees that are at the other places.

      • Jeryl

        By the way, Fox News interviewed one of the leaders in Boston, who quite plainly said that they believe in “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” That’s right out of Karl Marx. Hmmm, wonder what their basic philosophy is?

        • Old Henry

          Jeryl:

          I’m guessing Little Barry will be recruting him to work in the WH very soon.

        • independent thinker

          There was a protestor in I believe San Francisco that, when asked why she was there, said because it is a protest. She had no clue what the protest was about nor did she care.

      • CP

        Karolyn, they do not WANT to see anything that might disagree with their pre-formed ideas of who and what is protesting. It would hurt their sensibilities to admit there might be someone other than the “pot smoking hippies” they so badly want this movement to be.

      • Bear

        Very good Karolyn. So, did you also notice the buses that brought them into your town to do the protests? This is what community organizers do. Want to have a really good protest? Recruit them from different cities and bus them to locations where prearranged medias like ABC, NBC and CBS are waiting to put it all over TV and in the papers. Most all of this is preplanned and the best part, all of the protesters get paid so now they have a job. Go to one of those big protest rallies and start talking to the protesters. Get friendly with them and then ask them where they’re from. Good luck in finding any locals.

        • eddie47d

          They are all locals here in Denver and Fort Collins so you do see what you want to see right Bear.Besides since it has become a National issue Americans should be able to voice there opinion where ever they want. No different than the Tea Party protesters who headed to Washington from various states. Do you also have a problem with that? Considering how tight money is I doubt if few will be venturing out of their own communities. People from every state go to work in NYC so you would indeed find protesters from many states.

          • Dntmkmecmoverther

            Don’t you find it the least bit odd that the leader of the SEIU choreographed this charade of protests? I went and visited with some of these miscontents and 7 out of 10 could not iterate why they were there nor what their goal was. 4 of them admitted to being paid to be there.

            As for there non violence I can not agree based on the evidence I witnessed: Liter by the ton; foul language is the prevailing context of conversation; 40 of these malcontents insisted on staying past curfew (which they knew of ahead of time because of posted signs and verbal warnings) and were arrested. I was threatened twice with bodily harm; I told the guy to bring it on but he refused (good thing for both of us).

            These people who are participating in these so called ‘occupy’ rallies are just being useful idiots. They are a FAR cry from what I witnessed with the Tea Party folks who never littered, never swore, and never got arrested. That’s a stark difference.

        • Old Henry

          Bear:

          I heard on the radio this morning that many of the protesters are being paid $250 – $650 per week.

          • eddie47d

            By whom? What talk show host made that claim? ?

          • JeffH

            New York’s Working Families Party has an ad on craigslist promising a salary of $350 – $650 per week for those who meet the group’s requirements.

            FIGHT TO HOLD WALLSTREET ACCOUNTABLE NOW! MAKE A DIFFERNENCE GET PAID!
            • Compensation: $350-$650 A Week Depending On Responsibility & Length Of Time On Staff
            http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/gov/2618821815.html

            I love their disclaimer though:

            *Attention Right Wing conspiracy theorists* This is an ad for our regular field representative position. We support the protesters but we don’t have the money to pay them!

            I guess only a good qualified Marxist community organizer can get the job…

          • Old Henry

            eddie:

            Limbaugh. Documented always right 99.6% of the time.

          • Old Henry

            Jeff:

            Maybe it should say Get Paid & Laid!

        • OB1
  • Bill Lee

    As soon as someone institutionalizes charity if turns rotten. God loves a cheerful giver. In otherwords, give as a response of gratitude not guilt. People pretending to be Robin Hood usually end up being the Sheriff of Nottingham pretty quickly.

  • Monte

    Good commentary on our present state of total confusion. Many have written on the roots of the dream world that leftists use to replace the world of reality and serves as their replacement for religion. I highly recommend the writings of Eric Vogelin for anyone interested in understanding this mental disease. You will view things from an entirely different perspective.

  • Mick

    What I find most offensive is stupid people on either side of their perceived fences. I stopped reading after the first sentence because I would have puked. You probably perceive yourself to be anti socialist and yet you freely use the most pure form of socialism, the Internet, to peddle your stupidity. You probably supported George bush as he created the largest socialist government in the western world (marx’s first tenet of socialism was to nationalize the banks). He almost single handedly brought the US to complete bankruptcy and now you are deriding people who lost their livelihoods because of his coke ridden actions. I suspect the rationale behind the protests is that there is no voting choice. You vote left you get wall street. You vote right you get wall street but also people that think intelligent design is science. You have about as much integrity as the idiots on the left who believe that global warming is science.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Stupid? That is exactly what your diatribe is. Of course, it depends on what your definition of is is.

    • Jerry

      Keep Drinking The Kool Aid Mick, I Hope There’s Enough To Go Around !! November 2012 Can’t Come Soon Enough, Then You’ll Hear The Real Voice Of The American People

      • eddie47d

        Yes Jerry you are falling for the left/right bickering and doing it in spades.That is drinking the kool aid.

        • Old Henry

          So eddie, you agree as Reagan that there is no righ or left, only up or down?

          • JeffH

            Old Henry, you know by now that eddie will say whatever fits his fancy…it doesn’t have to be true either…a voice of contradictions and confusion…

          • Old Henry

            Soooo Jeff, eddie does not live in the state of CO, he lives in the state of confusion?

          • eddie47d

            Only in Jeff’s mind!

          • JeffH

            Old Henry…exactly 24/7/365!

          • eddie47d

            Still taking Prozac Jeff for your obvious mental confusion?

      • Old Henry

        Jerry:

        The Chi Ka Go ganster organizer sees the wrtting on the wall. That is the main purpose of his ginning up of the protests. If he can get enough “civil disruption” taking place he will decare Martial Law and put an end to the 2012 election.

        Remember, the NC Gov. already flew that trial balloon.

        • texastwin827

          And that will get him real protestors. While marshal law depends heavily on military forces, the Prez might be surprised at the number of our current military who do NOT like what he is doing to their country…and their oath is to the US Constitution, not the person that fills the “president suit”.

          • Old Henry

            texastwinn:

            I pray you are correct (* was gonna say right, but I already know that).

            However, as I mentioned here earlier today I have seen it mentioned that Little Harrison J. Bonnell has NATO troops within our borders, but do not know if it is true. If true he could use them, or the Mexes or Canadians per GW Shrub.

      • Mick

        So let me get this straight. 1) I’m somehow more stupid than either of you and 2) I’m drinking from some sort of political kook aid, even though I’m the only one here with an original thought. Reread your replies and if you don’t like socialism don’t use the Internet to reply. And don’t look up the list of the most successful economies in thebworld because you’ll find they’re socialist too. And btw I’m not a socialist.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      The banks were in essence nationalized in 1934 under your hero Roosevelt. Do your homework before posting such stupid comments.

      • Mick

        What a stupid comment.

    • Dale on the left coast

      A little history Mik . . .
      Never let liberals forget that the sub-prime mortgage disaster was Bill Clinton’s fault. In 1995 President Clinton’s changes to the Community Reinvestment Act enabled ACORN to run a politically correct extortion campaign against mortgage lenders, compelling them by force of law to make unsound (sub-prime) loans to poor minorities who never stood a hope of repaying them.

      • bob wire

        Made lenders lend money? ~ Boy he must have been smart then. No wonder they cam him Slick Willy

  • Karolyn

    Why this insistence on portraying these people as “hippies” and ““Social-justice” miscreants?” They sure look and sound like ordinary Americans to me. The variety of ages, races and social standings that I have seen make for a real cross-section of people. Are conservatives jealous that they can’t match it? Were the Tea Party protests just a flash-in the-pan? All the high-minded discourse, rehashing of history and references to leftist ideologies doesn’t solve anything and neither does perpetuation of differences of opinion by bloggers. Instead, why doesn’t somebody pick out anything the “sides” have in common and work at developing ways to achieve common goals? And don’t tell me there is nothing to work with. Gee, what would happen to people like Ringer if we all respected each other’s views and didn’t feel the need to put others down? Wow! What a concept! Working together! Putting aside differences! Many would not know what to do with themselves if they didn’t have an opposition to occupy their time.

    • http://libertyalert Frank J.

      have you seen them urinating and defecating and having sex .All of this right out in the open! well i did KAROLYN .Nothing like having your 3 and 6 year old grandchildren watching a 25 year old urinating in public while smoking a joint. And you call this NORMAL PEOPLE!.I said it once and i’ll say it again KAROLYN YOU ARE BRAIN DEAD AND AN IDIOT JERK!!!.

      • CP

        Frank, it sounds like you saw what you went looking to see, not all that was there to be seen. In fact, you saw something so odd that this is the only place it has been reported, and Fox News would have jumped on that.

        • Vagabond

          cp Fox showed a SLIMEBALL taking a crap alongside a police car. I guess you think I was looking for that? if I could have walked up while he was doing it I would have drop kicked his damned ass up between his shoulder blades,

          • 45caliber

            I agree with you. Taking a crap in public like that is a GOOD thing? Someone’s head is on wrong. It needs to be unscrewed and the put back on correctly – if his neck isn’t cross threaded.

          • Old Henry

            I don’t know about cross-threaded 45, but it might be a left-hand thread…

          • 45caliber

            Old Henry:

            I hadn’t thought of that. That could well be the reason – particularly when you have to screw to the RIGHT to tighten that.

        • texastwin827

          CP, Fox did…last night. While I didn’t hear any remarks about sex, they DID remark about the protestors both urinating and pooping and leaving tons of litter behind.

          Stay up to date, if you’re going to be critical of other’s comments (just short of calling them a liar really does nothing for your credibility)

      • david h

        How righteous! What obsession you have with excrement!Why were you there watching in the first place…a little “peeping” eh? There is an old phrase people use to dismiss pure folly: “Get a life for yourself”. Peeing and defecating have nothing to do with the issues…unless someone is literally brain-dead!However…I do feel your pain at having witnessed such a horror show. How traumatic this experience must have been for you (and God knows why you had your kids there) I hope you have a safe recovery and continue to lead an “excrement” free life.

        • Old Henry

          Actually david I believe Frank said he had his grandkids with him.

          Since that pot-head was peeing in front of small children I can’t help but wonder if he might be a TSA employee…

      • Old Henry

        Now Frank, remember we have been admonished by Little Barry / Harrison J. Bonnel to use civil discourse.

        However, if you want to Take the sons of bitches out and send them straight to hell, that will be acceptable….

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        no, that’s Normal behavior to Karolyn.

    • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

      There is a side to this you may have missed masses of people but variable yet they all have one thing in common they are unhappy with their lives. Do you believe this gives them the right to make others miserable by getting in the way. How is it possible to reason with persons so self centered that they care only about themselves and in the same breath saying they are doing it for us when in reality they are doing it to us.

      • Karolyn

        Why do you see them as not being happy with their lives? They are unhappy with the US, not necessarily their lives. Do you have some inside information? Know someone? Been there?

        • Vagabond

          karolyn why dont you take a break and rest your brain? it must be very tired. I wish you wouldn’t tell people you are from N.C.

          • eddie47d

            Why don’t you give your assumptions a rest Vagabond? Can you think beyond the Ifs and snippy remarks?

          • DaveH

            Karolyn is taking a break, Vagabond. As usual, she’s doing it on our taxpayer-funded job.

          • Old Henry

            My goodness DaveH. You seem to be a little grabby today. LOL!

        • 45caliber

          Karolyn:

          If you are happy with your life, then you are happy with the government in power and with your country. If you are not happy, then you want to change things so you will be happy. If you aren’t very smart, you will blame the problem on someone else or something else.

          There is NO difference between being unhappy with their lives and being unhappy with the country. They are unhappy with their lives because the advertisements tell them they should be unhappy unless they have all the material goods they want to make them happy. And the DEMOs tell them that if they don’t have everything they want that it is the fault of someone else who is working hard to get what HE wants – so they should take it away from him.

          • Old Henry

            “If you aren’t very smart, you will blame the problem on someone else or something else.”

            Hmmmm 45, who does that bring to mind???

      • Old Henry

        slayerwulfe:

        Here is a thought. Maybe they are getting ready to enter the Democrap primary for POTUS as this sort of stuff seems to be a requirement for them.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      If this is what you define as ordinary, I must be extra ordinary. I have nothing in common with these miscreants. Obviously, you feel that you do. Why don’t you go with them? You should leave this site and get on a bus and join them.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      So, Karoly, what do you find so redeeming about these current protestors?
      The open in your face smutty remarks?
      The public sex parties?
      The free condom booths?
      The gross amount of litter?
      The public urination and defecation?
      The hostile denial of the rule of law?
      The fact that at least half are ‘paid’ to be there?

      The Tea Party folks did NONE of that.

      I do hope you can tell the difference in a group who goes about the goal of change within the bounds of good citizenship and taste vs the group which thinks anarchy and stupidity is the way to go.

      • Karolyn

        So far I have seen no one post any links to verify those allegations. Please scross down to my later posts. If you want to see more tea party bloopers, please just go to YouTube and search tea party protesters.

    • 45caliber

      Karolyn:

      Do “ordinary Americans” take a crap in public for someone else to clean up? Do they take drugs?

      I don’t think so.

      • Karolyn

        45 – Firstly, proof please! Secondly, search tea party demonstrations on YouTube. I am sure that a great many tea partiers would not want to be associated with all tea partiers. If these allegations are true, I don’t care who they are, if you get a large group of people together, there are bound to be those who will do off-the-wall things.

        • 45caliber

          Karolyn:

          Proof of what? That they take craps in public and use dope there? Watch some of the television news channels or go down to visit such a site. Fox News showed one character taking a dump next to a police car.

          • eddie47d

            That may have been sending the police a message that they can sniff out. Kinda like the middle finger! Some of those officers don’t deserve the respect either.

    • OB1

      This one’s for you, Karolyn. How do you sleep at night?

      http://biggovernment.com/mikeflynn/2011/10/09/occupyatlanta-protesters-object-to-speech-from-rep-john-lewis/#more-346944

      DaveH, Old Henry, JeffH, please make my posts viral. This is sick sh**&%. This is another one of who is behind this:

      http://biggovernment.com/lstranahan/2011/10/10/meet-the-anarchist-leaders-behind-the-leaderless-occupy-movement-part-one-lisa-fithian/

      • JeffH

        OB1…hmmmmm, more Marxist community organizing…can you say the Joyce Foundation, Developing Communities Project, the Woods Fund and Obama all in one breath…déjà vu all over again…

        • OB1

          Hell ya Dave! Keepn it up. I am already being censored.

          • JeffH

            OB1, excellant, both of the links say volumes about this OWS movement…the community organizers have the sheeple headed to the trough.

      • Karolyn

        Chalk up one for your side. Now scroll down to see one of Tea Partiers heckling a Parkinson’s victim sitting on the ground. Or go to YouTube and find the one of them heckling a woman in a wheelchair because she is going to lose her house because of her medication costs.

        • DaveH

          Can’t you provide us a link, Karolyn? I’m feeling a little Liberal today.

          • OB1

            Good for you!
            Go!

          • Karolyn

            Dave – I did say “scroll down” for a link. Is that too hard? All you have to do is search YouTube for Tea Party Demonstrations and you can find some really funny stuff with some really ignorant people behind it.

  • Bill

    These people are stupid, non thinking morons who don’t , won’t, or can’t get real jobs, so they want what we all have. It would simply be pathetic if it wasn’t for the backing of the Democrat party leaders and the Rabble rouser-in-chief Obama. Coupled with the prompting of every radical left wing organization in the country and we have a very troubling movement going on.

    Perhaps the most troubling statement I’ve heard yet was the one by Obama when he said this would be the real force behind the election of 2012. I wouldn’t put it past him for a second to exploit this into a suspension of elections to remain in power.

    God help us if he does.

    • Vicki Bryson

      Bill, you are straight on. I am truly scared that this is what he will do. I believe it has been his plan from the beginning and this kind of movement is the way to do it. However, I do have one ray of hope. There are many more in this country that have hunting licenses. I believe it will start another and maybe the last American Revolution.

      • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

        I hope you are not promoting this think what you are saying the same thing as the occupation outside law. It sounds like a licence to kill (remember we are all being monitored)Some believe we don’t have to be licensed they are called terrorist and I hope we don’t need to start the Alice’s Restaurant Movement here because we can’t just get anything we want.

        • 45caliber

          I agree. I believe that the DEMOs WANT us to march on Washington with our guns. They expect to be able to use our own military to shoot or capture all those who disagree with them, eliminating all who might argue against them. And if the military refuses to do their bidding … well, they still control the nukes. And they can blame the use of them on the marchers. This would give them the reason to become the new Stalin of the new USSA.

          • Old Henry

            45:

            I have read posts here saying that there are NATO troops within our borders – don’t know if it’s true. If true, they could use them. Or, they could bring in Mex troops and Canadian toops as Shrub signed a treaty with them in 2005 via EO.

            Just a thought.

            Say, I saw on the W/C that parts of TX were getting rain last week. Were you one of the lucky ones?

          • 45caliber

            Old Henry:

            Yes, I got rain, thank God! Five inches! It almost doubled the rainfall I’ve had all year – and we normally have about 4 feet of rainfall by this time of year. And there wasn’t a single puddle in my yard. The ground felt damp but wasn’t even muddy. None of the ditches have water either. It either soaked in or ran into the cracks in the ground. I had cracks in my yard about 5 inches wide. They are still there but a lot smaller. I hope we get more this weekend. We are hoping that the rain will help stop the fires. Some idiots just love to play with fire! I’m sure the animals are also gratefull. I keep water out for them and have all sorts coming in to drink.

      • Revere

        No, it wouldn’t be a revolution but rather a civil war.
        Are you really that stupid to want a fratricide like the first one.(600,000 dead). Meanwhile the fatcats would supply both sides & reap the benefits(War Profiteers).All the while they would laugh at your ignorance.

    • Vagabond

      if he does there is a remedy for any would be DICTATOR,

      • eddie47d

        So Vickie and Vagabond don’t think unemployed people have a right to protest when there are not very many jobs out there? They don’t think the decline of the Middle Class is a concern and the loss of jobs is not something to protest about. They don’t think the corporate crooks should be taken to task. They look at the Wall Street banksters as pure and honest and have done no harm to the USA.They don’t see how fed up people are and don’t feel they have a right to express their disillusionment with the American Dream. If you voice your opinion and are fearful of the future you say they must be communists not Americans.You say their grievances are are not real and only a plot as if unemployment and Wall Street pirates aren’t a reality. They see corrupted politicians just like you but they also seem to see the connection between Washington and Wall Street a little clearer than you do. Yet you turn against them. Yes the unemployed have time on their hands and can protest longer than those in the Tea Party but their complaints are just as real and need to be heard.

        • Old Henry

          eddie, they are protesting in the wrong place. They should be circling 1600 (they could pee thru the fence) and Capital Hill.

          THAT is where the problems were created, and are being perpetuated.

          Maybe Little Barry could use yet another peice from FDR’s playbook and campaign on “A joint in every pot!” (Is that redundant?)

        • Dale on the left coast

          How did it get this bad? Where did the Derivitives of no value come from . . . was it the investment bankers or were they created by Fannie and Freddie with the blessing of Bawney Fwank and radical Dimmicraps . . .
          Never let liberals forget that the sub-prime mortgage disaster was Bill Clinton’s fault. In 1995 President Clinton’s changes to the Community Reinvestment Act enabled ACORN to run a politically correct extortion campaign against mortgage lenders, compelling them by force of law to make unsound (sub-prime) loans to poor minorities who never stood a hope of repaying them.

    • Old Henry

      No Bill, I would say Allah help him if he does…

      However, you ae dead on with your assessment. Remember the NC Gov. floating that idea last month?

    • Karolyn

      These people are absolutely not all supporting Obama, quite the contrary.
      http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/10/10-2

  • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

    Yes beware the humanitarian especially if there poor and want to help with someone else’s wealth, or destroy it out of jealousy.

  • Warrior

    It amazes me how the democreeps, with their class warfare, can turn the clock back 40 years.

    • Karolyn

      Ah, if only the clock could be turned back 40 years. The 70s were great!

      • Marcus

        This explains her comments.

        • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

          understood!

          • Song

            I try really hard not to engage with Karolyn, I really do. But Karolyn you just ask for the responses you get. Now you bring up the wonderful 70′s where you have already discussed on more than one occasion of being doped up and drugged up for what was it, 25 years of your life?

          • Old Henry

            Song:

            I am beginning to wonder if eddie pays her to be here so we leave him alone…

          • Karolyn

            No, Song, that is absolutely not true. Do you have something against recovering addicts and alcoholics? I have been sober for 30 years and was a user for 10. I am certainly not ashamed of that. My life made me who I am today, and I am happy with myself. I feel sorry for those of you who were in your 20s in the 70s and didn’t have a good time. Lest I be misjudged :-) I worked through the 70s. Don’t you ever get tired of being up on that high horse?

          • eddie47d

            You can be funny Old Henry. By the way there are protesters in Washington DC.

          • OB1

            Karolyn, now is the time you need to identify who your “higher power” is.
            It is not the broomstick nor the door knob, nor the lamp, Back in the day, Bill W and Dr. Bob both professed Jesus Christ as God. That was later removed so more people could become sober. My question is to what? They were both gone by then. 12 step came out of the Oxford group. Incredible people; a small group that changed dependency FOREVER! They knew Fraud and the rest of the ilk were speculators and flawed. If you don’t like the heat on here, get out of the kitchen; there’s a grease fire burning.

          • Karolyn

            Old Henry – I know who/what my Higher Power is and am very comfortable with my beliefs. Who said it was too hot? I just sometimes resent all the personal attacks that have no place in civil discourse.

      • libertytrain

        not for those in Vietnam during the first 5 years; and then finishing with Jimmy Carter and his fiasco as president. no, I don’t recall them as you do.

        • 45caliber

          I fully agree.

      • Dntmkmecmoverther

        Heh,heh…if you turned that clock back, we would know better than to let people like you out alone…and perhaps we would not be burdened with such lousy leadership today.

        • Old Henry

          Dntmkmecmoverther:

          If we could turn it back to avoid lousy “leaders” I would go back about 50.5 years…

      • Old Henry

        Waht Karolyn?!

        The cars were junk – and ugly (post ’72), the hair styles were riduculous as were the clothes and to top it all off there was disco. Plus we had that idiot Carter. However, that gave us Reagan, so maybe Little Barry will give us Ron Paul.

        • DaveH

          One can only hope, Henry. But Ron Paul is going to be hammered on by every parasite in the country. His skin is pretty thick though, so maybe he is up to the task.

          • Old Henry

            Well DaveH, I’m puttin’ my money on Ron Paul, literally.

            Bought a passle (some Jed Clampet lingo there) of tee shirts and a cap yesterday. As my dentist tells me, put your money where your mouth is.

          • DaveH

            Yay!

      • Dale on the left coast

        So right . . . I fondly remember lining up for gasoline, the wage and price controlls, the American citizens held hostage in Iran for over a year . . . and the fekless Peanut Farmer attempting to appease all.

        • libertytrain

          For Karolyn those were the good old days. I can’t imagine why….

  • Terry

    Its part of the socialist new world order Pure and simple!! WAKE UP AMERICA!!!

    • Old Henry

      At the risk of sounding 60s-ish, Right On Terry.

  • Winston

    President Obama is hoping riots across America will energize his re-election.

    • Vicki Bryson

      Winston, if this happens, the conservative better get out of bed and tell the American people that this is being brought to you by Obie 1 and the democrats, including unions thugs and black panthers. Maybe that will wake them up.

    • 45caliber

      Winston:

      I personally think that riots are a bad way to go. There are too many of us who not only would object but also have the means to do so. But the DEMOs don’t care as they know it will be the stupid fools who make up the riots and the ones who will get hurt doing it. That will give them the reason to declare martial law – to “protect” these fools that are causing the problems in the first place.

      • eddie47d

        Sinister politicians from both parties have slept with Wall Street so it should be a common goal to take them on and expose this connection. Only blaming the Democrats shows me that you don’t want to see what else is behind the curtain. These Wall Street protesters are taking on many issues and they are not all in favor of Obama. So take a closer look.

        • Dale on the left coast

          Wall Street is not the problem . . . Obumbler and his band of Loons are the problem . . . the marxist in the WH needs to go and take his dopy professors with him!!!

          • eddie47d

            Still got your blinders on Dale?

          • vicki

            Eddie47d. Probably not. Dale has demonstrated that he has seen thru the veil that would have us believe that some evil Wall Street has waved a non existent magic wand and made Congress and the President do whatever they want. When the reality is that Congress and the President have all the force they need to control most any of Wall Street. That the Government currently uses guns (regulation) and money (bail out for cronies) to do this is no real surprise.

  • TonyD

    Do not berate these protesters as “60′s leftovers”
    I find it interesting that the ongoing worship of the Robber Barons “Wallstreet” continues..business as usual despite their almost ruining the economy. If you protest their actions you are a “hippy” or worse. This sort of attitute shows clearly that in biblical terms, clearly that in this “Temple”, the “Pharisees” have indeed won.

    • Dale on the left coast

      Tony . . . the 60′s Radicals are now Czars in the WH . . .
      How did it get this bad? Where did the Derivitives of no value come from . . . was it the investment bankers or were they created by Fannie and Freddie with the blessing of Bawney Fwank and radical Dimmicraps . . .
      Never let liberals forget that the sub-prime mortgage disaster was Bill Clinton’s fault. In 1995 President Clinton’s changes to the Community Reinvestment Act enabled ACORN to run a politically correct extortion campaign against mortgage lenders, compelling them by force of law to make unsound (sub-prime) loans to poor minorities who never stood a hope of repaying them.

  • Karolyn

    Is Ringer so devoid of facts that he has to quote Roseanne Barr? WTF?

    • 45caliber

      You mean Roseanne is not one of your favorite people? My, my. Maybe there is hope for you yet.

      • OB1

        Have a great day! You critique Ringer when I have sent you many links to actual news and reporting? What are you really afraid of Karolyn, the truth? Scary, ain’t it…..

        • Karolyn

          Uh, no. I’m not scared.

  • Doc Sarvis

    While there may be a diversity of “causes” in these protests the dominant one I have heard on a variety of news casts is the unhealthy influence of big money in our government/elections. And the political tone has NOT been pro-President Obama, it has been anti-establishment.

    • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

      I hope I am understanding this correctly, A place without wealthy people is a third world country?

      • Vagabond

        slayerwolf how many poor people have given you a JOB?

      • 45caliber

        slayerwulfe:

        Almost right. A place without a middle class is a third world country. That is where most of the wealth lies in the US – and the rich knows it. But ALL revolt comes from the middle class – and the rich knows that too. So the idea is to eliminate the middle class. Then the poor can’t revolt due to a lack of money and the rich can do what they wish. It is the middle class that we need to preserve – and the DEMOS want to destroy it by taxing us to death. We don’t stand up for the real rich … such as Oblama, Bush, and friends … so much as we try to stand up for ourselves. But when the DEMOS start talking about the rich being bad, those on welfare consider EVERYONE who has more than they do rich – including all middle class. And the DEMOS know that too…

      • eddie47d

        No one is out to “destroy the rich” as so many of you imply. The American people just want them to be more accountable. If they create a mess and ruin our economy then they should be obligated to play it back. To give more to make up for the damage they heaped upon our system. Instead they have been taking more while leaving a trail of tears. I know that “your side” wants welfare recipients to be more accountable so we should also demand the same from the skunks in control of our economy.

        • Song

          Nobody disagrees with that eddie….why do you always assume that they do?

          • eddie47d

            Listen to what “your side” says each and every day on this site and there will always be someone who will say that “our side” (whoever that is) wants to take everything away from the rich. “We are always stealing from the rich”

        • vicki

          Eddie47D. The “skunks” in control of our economy is the government. No one else has the power to force us to buy or sell things.

          Thus Reagan is proven right again. Government is not the solution. It IS the problem.

        • Vicki

          Eddie47d says:
          ‘If they (the rich) create a mess and ruin our economy then they should be obligated to play it back. ”

          Can we do that please. Here is a list. As a plus most of them are rich.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQUO9TiYvk

          • Vicki

            Oh I should also mention that most/all of them are democrats.

  • Jeryl

    Over two years ago I told friends that immediately before and/or during the 2012 election that Obama operatives would begin to foment civil unrest and violence. The purpose, I believe, is to give him the chance to declare martial law and suspend elections if it looks like he is going to lose the election. So far, sad to say, it looks as if I’ve been right.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      I tried to tell people in May of 2008, that this is exactly what would happen. They told me I was crazy. We shall see who is crazy, or should I say lazy and ignorant.

    • 45caliber

      I agree. I’ve been saying the same thing. They NEED a reason to declare martial law if that is necessary for them to remain in power. There was too much emphasis then (and now) by the Demos that they didn’t need to worry about the GOP or the people themselves as they would always forever more remain in power.

      • eddie47d

        Take your blinders off Caliber we almost had martial law under Nixon and G Bush so get off this Democrat kick of yours. The Wall Street protesters and the Tea Party protesters both had and still have valid reasons to be taking on the Elites. Neither group should have their 1st Amendment rights taken away and it’s time to stop listening to those who would do so.

        • Dale on the left coast

          Put down the Crack pipe eddie . . . . the wall st. protestors, most who cannot make a rational sentence, are free riding radicals, supported by SEIU, Tides and MoveOn . . . same groups that funded the LOOSER in the WH . . . .
          How did it get this bad? Where did the Derivitives of no value come from . . . was it the investment bankers or were they created by Fannie and Freddie with the blessing of Bawney Fwank and radical Dimmicraps . . .
          Never let liberals forget that the sub-prime mortgage disaster was Bill Clinton’s fault. In 1995 President Clinton’s changes to the Community Reinvestment Act enabled ACORN to run a politically correct extortion campaign against mortgage lenders, compelling them by force of law to make unsound (sub-prime) loans to poor minorities who never stood a hope of repaying them.

          • eddie47d

            Cry me a river Dale.This issue is as much about rights as who did what.I do appreciate your history lesson though.

          • vicki
          • JeffH

            Oh Vicki, stop already…we all know the pictures are photoshopped…an “eddie” moment…

          • Thinking About

            You must be watching re-runs from the tea party “rallies”. For those who speak of wealth redistribution needs to look closely to executitives running from board meeting to board meeting voting themselves big raises and declaring “it’s not my fault the board voted my raise”. If the amount of money is available to pay their outrageous salaries then distribute those wages throughout the workers. This is wealth redistribution to the top.

          • Vicki

            Thinking about doesn’t and says:
            “If the amount of money is available to pay their outrageous salaries then distribute those wages throughout the workers. ”

            Who are you to say the salaries are outrageous. Oh right. A liberal.

            Thinking about: “This is wealth redistribution to the top.”

            It can’t be wealth to the top cause the top is the shareholder. The board are people that the shareholders voted (using that thing called democracy) to represent their interests.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    Their mindset of getting more by destruction of property and freedom is totally insane and yet this is their MO. For the last three years I have had to watch it happen on a much smaller scale next door to us. It was all done in the name of doing good and in the process, many were hurt and almost destroyed. The property that once was used for true ministry is now just a striped out shamble. “If the salt has lost it’s savour it is good for nothing but to be cast down and trodden under the feet of men.”

    • 45caliber

      Henry: I think it goes back to the old Syndicate idea: “If you don’t pay me more to leave you alone I will destroy what you have.”

      • Song

        Just attend your local city council meetings. The public at large is ill informed and apathetic. And the “have nots” at every level are becoming more aggressive in their demands. Pretty soon if you own a home, you are going to be a target of their irrational, selfish, hatred. How dare you own a home while they have to rent? Or, you, as a homeowner should be paying more in property tax to support the programs that they all rely on. Believe me, this is coming to a town near you.

        • eddie47d

          Those who rent live in a building or house where the owner pays property taxes so in essence everyone pays property taxes through the rent they pay.

          • Song

            In theory, that would be true, eddie, but “theory” rarely pans out in real life, especially when you have tenants who just decide they don’t need to pay rent or shouldn’t have to pay rent anymore, but then I digress. Do you own your home? Have you ever tried to rent out a home? Have you ever tried to start up your own business? Your ignorance knows no bounds, just like many of the so called “Occupy” protestors. And if you do own your own home, are you ready to to see your property taxes skyrocket to continue to support social programs? I could recite example after example to point out just how ignorant you are, but sadly I just don’t have the time!

          • eddie47d

            I wasn’t wrong and I would say you were so who is ignorant. Nice cheap shot Song.

          • Song

            then why can’t you answer simple questions eddie like do you own your own home and will you be willing to pay higher proprety taxes to support more social programs and have you ever tried to rent a home or start a business? (I hear crickets!)

          • Thinking About

            Song, I have rental property and those homes has higher taxes than my personal home thanks to homestead exemption. Guess what, rents covers payments, taxes and insurance plus profit for myself. I have also started businesses but don’t sit myself so high as not to realize lots of folks are hurting. Have you tried to live on a minimal wage income. It isn’t much and one surely cannot support a family with it. Besides I currently entertain myself with a minimal wage job and work with many where this is their only means of support. In talking to my co-workers they are glad to have the job and many have worked higher wage jobs before. Everyone without work are not lazy the jobs are not available. If jobs became available the economy would improve, more money to spend and support the businesses.

          • Song

            You make my point EXACTLY Thinking About don’t be so naive to think that the finger won’t turn and point right at you next. As a landowner, you are the enemy. Don’t get it? You will….it was the topic of our last city council meeting and believe me, people with the “renter’s mentality” “I can only work for minimum wage” mentality do not like people that own things. But a question: If your rentals are making a profit like you say, why aren’t you as a “wealthy landowner” subsidizing the rent for those poor renter’s of yours that could certainly use some of your profit??? Think there is a big difference between yourself and the hatred being directed toward Wall Street right now? Think again.

          • Song

            BTW Thinking About & Eddieee: I started working when minimum wage was $2.45 an hour. I worked my way through college on minimum wage and later in life when my husband’s business began to cave, I took any job I could to make ends meet from waitressing tables, to call centers to roofing jobs, and when that wasn’t working, I worked even harder to further my education so that I didn’t have to rely on the government or anyone else to provide for myself and my family and now I earn much, much more than minimum wage and I earned every cent of it. I have enormous respect for people that take the “bull by the horns” and get things done, but I have very little for the whiners, complainers and self-proclaimed victims in this country.

  • http://yahoo Skyraider6

    it’s pretty sad when our socalled leaders endorse this kind of behavior maybe it’s time for the m-60s a bunch of low lifes and lackies

    • Doc Sarvis

      When it is the Tea Party it’s okay, when it is anti-establishment/anti-Wall Street it is not. I see where you are coming from.

      • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

        That which concentrates the control of resources tends to corrupt – that which gives local control tends to mitigate corruption – are we on the same page here?

      • Dale on the left coast

        Doc . . . almost all Tea Partiers I have listened to can carry on an intelligent conversation . . . . contrast to the wall street clowns . . . most who don’t even know why they are there, some who claim they are bing paid and most who act like “Pigs” and litter the town. And you can’t see a difference . . . WOW!!!

        How did it get this bad? Where did the Derivitives of no value come from . . . was it the investment bankers or were they created by Fannie and Freddie with the blessing of Bawney Fwank and radical Dimmicraps . . .
        Never let liberals forget that the sub-prime mortgage disaster was Bill Clinton’s fault. In 1995 President Clinton’s changes to the Community Reinvestment Act enabled ACORN to run a politically correct extortion campaign against mortgage lenders, compelling them by force of law to make unsound (sub-prime) loans to poor minorities who never stood a hope of repaying them.

        • OB1

          How about the repeal of Glass-Steigal? Who’s responsible for that? And better yet, why????? Plus Clinton pushed George H.W. Bush’s NAFTA. Why is this not being discussed and addressed?

  • Adam

    Surprise surprise? not so, if you see — and slowly understand — what happened at wall-street in the past few years, you should not be surprised about what is happening there today.

  • Al Sieber

    Is this history repeating it self, the new Bolshevist revolution? where the commies take over.

    • libertytrain

      well no one seems to remember how that one worked out….

      • Al Sieber

        I do liberty, millions of people were murdered, starved to death. farms, private property etc. were taken from the people and “uncle Joe Stalin” became dictator.

        • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

          capital is the means of production – communism is the monopolistic model that the ‘state’ [meaning the plutocracy] controls the capital. with a manipulated economy where honest competition is stifled – per Nathaniel Tucker – makes our system much more like communism than these NeoCons in their abject moral blindness would dare to admit.

          • Al Sieber

            I agree with that Mark. and Fascism is Govt. by regulation.

          • Vicki

            A thing to remember about Communism is in this sound bite

            “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need”

            Humans have a VERY overblown sense of need.
            Air, Food, water protection from the weather. Thats it.

            Judging from the “successes” of communism I would say that the people in them were lucky to get even these simple needs met.

        • Song

          They just weren’t taken; they were beaten, forced out and murdered and it didn’t stop at wealthy farmers and landowners. The same happened under Mao in China. And what was the ultimate result? The wealth shifted into the hands of the few that stole it, took it over and they became the new elite while the middle class was entirely wiped out and now the “99%” remained in poverty, starving without any ownership whatsoever. Go “occupy”… useful idiots, all of them.

          • eddie47d

            Most people in China and Russia were serfs/peasants and worked long and grueling hours while the elite wined and dined in their conclaves. They also controlled who was in power and made sure those peasants stayed poor for the use of the elites. Revolution came because of the arrogance,corruption and greed of those elites. Yes there are similarities in today’s world and now we have super sized Elites controlling our lives. So maybe you are the one bringing the hammer down on the Middle Class by endorsing those elites. Whether in Washington or on Wall Street.

          • Song

            Eddie, please do some reading about the overthrow of governments before commenting…and from your post then, you are sanctioning murder because according to you, they (all of the elites) deserved it? My, how you paint with a broad brush!

          • DaveH

            Before you spout any more of your fabricated history, Eddie, read the book “How Capitalism saved America” and learn something:
            http://mises.org/store/How-Capitalism-Saved-America-P260.aspx

          • eddie47d

            You haven’t been around very long have you Song. You certainly haven’t heard all the talk about wiping out all the liberals and a few others that I won’t mention.No I don’t condone murder only explaining what happened.

    • Old Henry

      Al:

      The commies took over on 1/20/09.

  • Bryan

    You totally misrepresent this movement as you would rather have this country owned by Wall Street than by the people. That’s not “personal liberty,” that’s liberty for Wall Street to do whatever they want to this country and it people.

    Calling a set of legal documents a person is the ultimate redefinition of personhood. You wonder why there is no respect for life in America.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Exactly Bryan!

    • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

      well said – perhaps you will find my own comments to your liking

    • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

      The “people” invested in our or the world economy are not really people. How do you wrestle with the logistics of that gambit of dubious merit.

    • 45caliber

      Suppose Wall Street did shut completely down. That would accomplish … exactly what?

      The multi-millionares would still make their deals behind closed doors as they do now. The only real affect would be to stop the small dealer from buying or selling. How does that make the country better?

      • Song

        Exactly 45, shutting down Wall Street will accomplish nothing and there is a lot of posters on this board that have absolutely have NO IDEA how Wall Street works and who are the major beneficiary’s. I wonder how many people in “Occupy” have a portfolio on Wall Street to supplement their retirement years? Naw, that would just be greedy, right? What a joke.

        • eddie47d

          So what if the protesters have money in the stock market. Are you against making Wall Street honest and responsible for the damages that they heaped upon this country.Most stock holders are not blind to the misdeeds of Hedge Fund Managers and other Investment companies on Wall Street.(Lehman Bros,etc) They want to invest in decent companies who play fair and square. How about you?

          • Song

            Again, my fence sitting friend a/k/a Eddie, confused as you are, fail to miss the point. The point being that many if not all of the Occupy protestors probably DO NOT have a portfolio on Wall Street..let alone have jobs! Again, they are “knocking” on the wrong door. They should all be at the WH. And again, you make the assumption that anyone who does not support these misguided, useful idiots in their “vacation” called protesting supports corruption. Continue with the “groupthink” ideology eddie, your assumptions are wrong but then you continue to turn a deaf ear. Sad for you.

          • eddie47d

            Song; You spend too much time contradicting what You say and playing word games. Nice spin

          • Song

            eddie: I know you fancy yourself as one who knows everything, but you my friend, have a serious problem with READING COMPREHENSION!

          • Vicki

            Eddie47D writes:
            “Most stock holders are not blind to the misdeeds of Hedge Fund Managers and other Investment companies on Wall Street.(Lehman Bros,etc) They want to invest in decent companies who play fair and square. ”

            And what (be precise) is stopping stockholders from investing in decent companies who play fare and square?

    • Tamie Baggett

      Well said Bryan. Several of these comments are made by projecting and assuming. People are interesting aren’t they?

    • DaveH

      No, Bryan, I think what Robert wants is voluntary transactions between people with the only involvement of Government being to litigate against fraud and to protect people from the force of others.

  • Lastmanstanding

    The future of America…there is only one way to fix this problem…it is coming whether we like it or not.

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLIniois

    The new hippie generation is here the unwashed.

  • Old Henry

    I would add one more – “Do as I say, not as I do”.

  • http://yahoo Skyraider6

    waqll st is not the problem washington is since 1992 wake up and think,think think put 2and2 together it all adds up

  • http://yahoo Skyraider6

    i meant wall st

  • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

    YOU ARE WRONG!!!! Your caustic broad brush completely misses the point – we do NOT have any semblance of HONEST COMPETITION model that would actually be free market economics – monopolies cannot exist without government intervention. Moral ambition is a good thing – striving for more by honest labor – innovation – but that is what is being stifled.

    While I have not had a W2 job since 2007 – the callouses on my hands show that I have not been idle as your slander conveys. I take whatever honest work I can find – yesterday I repaired my log splitter to make firewood.

    The underlying cause behind OWS is quite real – and it has come to our attention that Anonymous has gone on record that others have called for a hack attack do not represent Anonymous – point being – there are those that want to hijack this popular discontent. And the so called ‘right’ is just as culpable for the discontent as the so called ‘left’ both sides are used by the plutocracy that has deceived all of us.

    It is the caustic self-righteousness of the NeoCons that deflect and dismiss legitimate concerns and corrections that cause them to lose credibility among those that have the ‘heretical’ audacity to think for themselves. Saying that the sun does not go around the earth just because ‘the Bible says so’ may viewed as ‘heresy’ among those that refuse to look at the evidence that points to a better model.

    Go on – keep your head in your own rectum – its not like people like me did not TRY to reason with you. Without hearing a word that is outside your paradigm you slapped a label on that which you mistakenly dismissed. Per Ezekiel 33 your blood is on your own head.

    • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

      I understand you may be and certainly appear to be angry but if you don’t have a job and you are a person that thinks for themselves than think up a job for yourself rather than complaining that someone isn’t giving you one. The so called movement is all about that give to me because I can’t do anything for myself.

      • Song

        Exactly slayerwulfe…I would add educate yourself and/or get training but stop whining! It’s disgusting.

        • eddie47d

          Double well said Mark. As world markets provide the labor for American businesses there will be fewer and fewer jobs here in this country. It’s easy to tell someone to go out and get a job when there are plenty but a little harder when there are few to pick from. So Song is pitting one segment against another especially since it’s American companies(private enterprise)that they say provide jobs.I wish you well Mark and hope you find one soon.

          • Dale on the left coast

            Who has destroyed the MOST JOBS in America in the last 40 years???
            Why the government!!! The EPA drove out industries like Steel. Govt regulations moved out others, and the Greedy Union movement did their share as well. As America moved further and further from real capitalism to a govt controlled and financed economy . . . the slide began, then came the Comm Reinvestment Act and Trillions in uncollectable mortgages, fenced around the world that crashed the housing market. And of course the Free-Spending Obumbler, now almost 5 TRILLION . . . which has America on the ropes and looking more like the old Soviet Union than the good ole USA!!!

    • Tamie Baggett

      Well said Mark.

    • DaveH

      So are you saying you want Free Markets, Mark?
      If so, you surely don’t think the Democrats are going to do that for you, do you?

  • Mirage

    Crystal is up S. Creek without a paddle. Obviously he’s a corporate guy getting a nice paycheck to pit Americans against Americans with political hatred and diluting their cumulative power for political change.
    Make no mistake about it, the people occupying WALL STREET ARE FED UP AND DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT! They’re tired of voting for a Democrat, Republican, or Tea Party politician and then seeing NO CHANGE. Wether your next president is Ron Paul or Mitt Romney, it doesn’t matter, its just more piss in the wind without fundamental change to our political system i.e. regardless of what party our presidents have been from, over the last 40+ years, the MIDDLE CLASS HAS BEEN SHRINKING.
    This country was founded by revolutionairies, and perhaps another, of some kind, is in the making.
    Ben Crystal and his cronies here can try to spin it anyway they like, but the people taking to the streets for political change are potential heroes in the making, and at least they’re putting their actions beyond words.

    • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

      They are doing something? Their living out on the street exemplifying themselves as examples of humanity lost because they have not been able to keep up with the world, they have been left behind because of their lack of vision or is it foresight. The simplest of problems editing HTML, totally beyond them. slayerwulfe to be this rather than something else when this is not supported. What do you do for them, take care of them, so they can live out their mundane existence at the expense of the rest of us.

    • Tamie Baggett

      Sounds like you hear what is meant to be heard.

      • Song

        haha…and you would be commenting about yourself, right Tamie?

    • DaveH

      Uh, Mirage, I believe the author of the article is Robert Ringer. How can you expect people to listen to what you have to say when you can’t even get that straight?
      If there is another revolution, we are very unlikely to have the desirable outcome that our other one did. Too many propagandized and dumbed-down people to have a desirable outcome:
      http://mises.org/daily/5363

  • Nick from Mexico

    Well,every empire comes to an end, and America is not an exception. Just look at the Greeks and Romans how they went down in flames. When national fiber is gone then everyone grabs whatever he can, and that goes for the corrupt politians, greedy financiers, and dumbed down citizens.

  • Raggs

    As Mr Ringer pointed out there are many of us that know the truth about this Communist oblama and his Marxist union allies. It is only a matter of time before violence erupts in one of these mob-uprisings because there is no way possible to have this many total idiot people in one packed location to get along with one another even though they are using drugs and sex to ease their waste of time.. One thing that I think we should be watching out for is that when violence occurs ( just prior to 2012 election )the oblama and Marxist unions will be wanting to suspend the constitution in order for oblama to usurp another term as dictator…. Think about it!

    • 45caliber

      Raggs:

      How is he going to stay in office if he doesn’t declare martial law? I’ve a feeling that if he sees that he is going to go down in flames, that the risk of having martial law will go up exponetially. Some Demos like the governor of SC are already talking about it – to get us used to the idea, I believe.

    • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

      Yes! we already see our police forces against the population and then what beat them into submission? This population is it’s own problem trying to make it’s concerns our’s but it won’t float. Like all protest it will die it’s death and be forgotten dead and buried. Will national security rise as an issue and are the protesters playing into the hands of their keepers.

  • DenverGirl

    People in the US need to wake up. Unions in Europe are different, when they go on strike which is quite often it is a 1 DAY strike, the Employer puts money into a fund for the days of strike so they really do not lose any wages. If they lost wages they would not be striking at all. US Union Bosses collect the dues and give it to their political cronies so they can get what they want. If the US wants to be like Europe then expect to pay at least 70% of your wages in taxes. Each time you buy something then you pay 21% VAT, on a car, house and everything else you buy. Sure they have cheap insurance, however they PAY through their nose on TAXES. If that is what you want then keep it up.

    • denniso

      Most,if not all,of the countries around the world that are doing better than us pay more in taxes. They have lower crime rates,longer life spans,more economic security,better quality of life,better and more affordable healthcare for all,less military involvement,more economic freedom for all(not just the few).

      Taxes are relative to income…a certain % means nothing w/o knowing what your after tax income can buy. If we pay low taxes in comparison but tens of millions can’t afford a home,good car,healthcare,nutritios
      food or able to survive in retirement,then what good are low taxes? The people who most benefit from low taxes are the rich,and the rightwing is doing it’s best to maintain the super cushy lifestyles for their rich handlers,and to hell w/ working people who in many cases can’t afford to pay any tax.

      • denniso

        ‘nutritious food’

      • 45caliber

        denniso:

        I keep hearing abou these countries that have better food, more money, better homes, better medical care, etc. than we do – but so far every country pointed out to me doesn’t. Why is that?

        • eddie47d

          Most of the people in those countries have learned to live within their means and the corporates don’t make 400% times the average wage earners like here in America. The disparity is growing wider in this country because we envy the wealthy(feel like we are losers if we are not like them) instead of making the wealthy more accountable and responsible for the corruption that flows between them.

          • Song

            This is just too much. Have you or Denniso lived in a foreign country? I have! The Danes and certainly those living in the eastern block countries would not agree with your assertions eddie or Denniso. You don’t think there are uber wealthy in other countries? Just who is sticking their heads in the sand? What a bunch of idealistic morons! FYI: They pay more in taxes and their “elite” are still extremely wealthy!

          • Song

            I should add, talk about disparity!!! Unbelievable

          • 45caliber

            Song: You are correct. It’s too bad people like eddie can’t see that. They are too interested in what they might get here to worry about what it is really like in countries they want to mimick.

          • eddie47d

            Once again.. Poppycock Song . Denmark is a socialist country and has a high standard of living and good healthcare and strong environmental rules.Conservatives in America battle against socialism and the environment and healthcare for the majority. So go blow smoke somewhere else. They are also rated one of the happiest nations on earth.

          • Song

            wow, you are really something eddie. I LIVED IN DENMARK! Why do you think I mentioned the Danes????

      • DaveH

        Duh, Denniso, instead of gross generalizations of fabricated facts, can you name these countries that are doing better than us?

      • Dale on the left coast

        denniso . . . you live under a log????
        Most of Europe is going broke, Greece has all but declared bankruptcy . . . natives rioting in the streets.
        Spain, Portuagl, Italy and Ireland not far behind. Belt tightening in England, with corresponding rioting of the illiterate hand-out crowd. The muzzies are still burning down the town in Paris . . . and the Germans are threatening to quit financing the stumbling Euro mess.
        Most of the problems in the US are caused by govt . . .

        • denniso

          All of Scandanavia is doing much better,and they are some of the most ‘socialist’ countries in the first world. Germany is also doing much better than us,as is France….Switzerland too. Canada and Australia are also better off. If all of our problems are the result of ‘big gov’t’ and our ‘socialist’ policies,then why are so many countries w/ more gov’t control,regulation and involvement doing better than us? You guys are blinded by your archaic ideology and can’t see the forest for the trees. DaveH is blinded by his fantasy world of make believe ‘Libertarianism’…a utopia that never was and will never be.

          • libertytrain

            Germany still has some personal liberty left…we do not seem to anymore.

          • denniso

            Really?? Could you list the things that you are prevented from doing in this country? I hate red tape,complex rules/regulations and busy bodies telling me what to do,but we can still do pretty much what we want.

          • libertytrain

            I suggest you do what I just did and take a long trip to Germany, explore and walk the towns without being on a tour and, see what you see and experience. What might be a personal liberty for me is not always the same for the next person.

          • denniso

            I’m serious…tell us what liberties you don’t have here.I can think of some,I’m sure you can too.

    • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

      you have got the picture, keep your weather eye on gas tax the next thing. fed gas tax going out giving it all to state and 0.48 will soon be 2.00 and up but this isn’t necessarily a bad thing because all pay it not just the middle class.

      • Chris Schilke

        slayerwolfe, If you’re still there; the problem with 2.00 fed gas tax is the little guy out there who hasn’t had a raise in two years and who can’t sell his over mortgaged house to live near work has to commute 2 hours a day to get to and from work can hardly afford to pay the higher gas prices and feed his family at the same time. We need to build oil refineries and allow American companies to drill for gas where we already know it is and not let foreign interests drill just off our coastal waters to tap into our much needed oil reserves

  • Brian

    These protesters are not hippies. Hippies oppose The Man and Question Authority. These people are wanna-be’s who have no clue and are demanding even more government. Sell out is a better term.

    • 45caliber

      I fully agree. These are NOT Hippies. At most they are Welfare recipients who want more money by taking it away from the workers who pay taxes.

      • eddie47d

        I doubt if any of them are welfare recipients so where do you come up with these assumptions.

        • Song

          From interviews with them eddiee!!!! Locally as well. Just listened to an entire hour program with one of the leaders of the local protestors here, all 100 hundred of them. (LOL)They are either students with nothing better to do or the unemployed drawing unemployment or yes, welfare. Tell me, how many people working full time have any time to be camping out for days on end eddie?

          • eddie47d

            Now unemployment equals welfare! How touching.How dare those lazy bast*rds!! How shameless can they be!!!

          • Song

            eddie, it is obvious that you have no interest in actually comprehending what other people write. Your view of the world is completely myopic according to YOU and only you. I love how you just pick and choose from a comment, completely ignoring the comments and/or facts that don’t suit your myopic, bias of the world. You are a fraud and a phony and everything else that JeffH hurls your way. You deserve it all. Now I remember why I stopped responding to you. You are a pathological ingenuousness, contemptuous excuse for a human being.

  • DavidL

    Robert Ringer, please stop bashing the “Tea Party protesters”. It’s not American. They are fellow American citizens and have a right to free speech and to protest to make America a better place according to their social justice vision. I don’t agree with much of what they say, but I agree with their right to peacefully say it.

    Wait a minute. This is not the Tea Party but other fellow American citizens exercising their first Amendment rights? I have to think about that. right Robert?

    • denniso

      Ringer and co love the tea party,mostly because they attack gov’t and ignore the greed/corruption of the super wealthy and coporations. Also because of their gun fetish and almost entirely white makeup.

      • DaveH

        It is you, Denniso, who is ignoring Greed and Corruption. I have never seen you rail against GE or Solyndra or any of the other Crony Capitalists that hang around the Obama administration.
        Greedy is wanting to take somebody else’s money or other property against their will. The Obama administration does plenty of that.
        And what’s this about “white makeup”? I thought you were the one who was quick to label others as being racist? Yet, you make that very racist remark.
        What a hypocrite.

        • eddie47d

          If you Dave H believe in free markets in a world economy then you have no business blasting GE. They are doing what every good capitalist does. There is also no proof that that solar company did anything wrong or that anyone received special favors from the deal. The fact still remains that China outfoxed that company and “stole” the market which caused the company to collaspe.

          • Dale on the left coast

            And who helped GE . . . why the Federal Govt . . . banning light bulbs, encouraging Unworkable green energy . . . and then appointing the Corrupt CEO to a Govt Position. Who is the “Most Corrupt” in America . . . why the occupant of the WH, they guy with the rsemue to thin you can’t pick it up if it falls on the floow. Obumbler the Marxist loon . . . with No Past!!!

          • DaveH

            China didn’t outfox anybody, Eddie. Solyndra was not viable from the start. But the money wasn’t Obama’s, so why should he care if they fail?
            That’s the way it goes with other peoples’ money.
            Maybe if you’d quit watching your propaganda networks you could learn something real:
            http://blog.mises.org/18657/who-could-have-predicted-that-the-solyndra-deal-wouldnt-work-out/

          • eddie47d

            Can I call you a Loon with that nutty spin?

          • denniso

            I wonder if DaveH complains about the billions in tax subsidies and credits given to the very wealthy oil/gas industry? How about the billions in subsidies to farmers,ranchers,Archer Daniels Midland? What about the home mortgage credit that mostly helps the wealthiest?Is he offended by the billions in tax money given to defense contractors,like Haliburton,Lockheed…? Is that money ‘stolen’ from DaveH?

          • Song

            Of course he does Denniso rather dumbiso! Both you and eddie have the reading comprehension of a primate!

        • OB1
    • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

      Wait a sec. are you saying Ringer is denied the rights that they have. please don’t be so intolerant, free speech apply’s to everyone or to no one.

  • 45caliber

    The “American Dream” used to be that your kids would have life better than you did. That included house, car, and enough income to keep them happy and safe.

    Now the American Dream is that you kids MIGHT have it as good as you do.

    • Raggs

      The American dream used to be FREEDOM… Freedom to build a house, buy a car and go to school to better yourself… The “NEW” twisted version of the American dream is that a house a car and school is provided for you by the government…

      • DaveH

        A Government that can only provide things that it takes from somebody else.

        • Raggs

          EXACTLY!!!

  • RMW

    Commies and cuckoos?? Mao, Stalin, Lenin and Castro? What rock did this idiot, Ringer, crawl out from? This dope gets published and gets air time? Geeez, his is the warped thought process that destroys countries. Can you say Hitler or Pol Pot…that would be Ringer. His way or the highway, I guess. Actually, I doubt he actually believes what he is writing…probably just does it to stir up controversy, sit back and see what happens. I just hope to hell no poly-sci students pay attention to his crap.

    • DaveH

      Can you explicitly cite stances of Robert Ringer that you disagree with, instead of that vague overarching criticism?

      • eddie47d

        Like you vaguely attack liberals every chance you get?

        • Raggs

          Ed the TRUTH is not vague so attacking liberals is an easy thing to do.

        • Song

          Truth, eddie is not an attack.

          • eddie47d

            Then present a few facts instead of your usual slippery innuendoes.

          • Song

            ah hahahahahahahahahahahahha that is tooo funny coming from the man of never back up anything he says with anything! ahhahahahahahahahahahhaha but DaveH and Jeff back up just about everything they say…or maybe you will try and lie about that too.

  • 45caliber

    Mr. Ringer and others:

    Exactly what would happen if Wall Street was shut down? No more stock trades in the open?

    Stocks are simply paper stating that someone owns a part of a company. I don’t think ownership of companies would stop nor do I believe that all companies would fold. What would be the affects?

    I don’t believe I’ve ever seen anyone actually say what might happen – except for libs who insist that everything will miraculously get better.

    • DaveH

      I’ve been investing for 35 years, 45caliber, and during that time I’ve owned shares in close to 100 companies (at different times). A handful of them have been attacked by lawyers, and every single one that was litigated against by those lawyers (supposedly to save us shareholders) has in net cost me money. The lawyers got rich, but the shareholders were left holding the bag. The more that Government got involved, the more the companies struggled, and the more money I lost. Politicians are in it for themselves and for the Politically connected people who will finance their campaigns. That is all. They could care less about the Mainstreet Americans.
      We need to get Government out of the Marketplace. They should exist solely to litigate against fraud and force. Otherwise they should butt out and save the taxpayers a ton of money.

      • Song

        AMEN!

      • 45caliber

        But it mainly hits the little stock holder, not the big ones. That is one of the things I was trying to point out. If you shut down Wall Street, it won’t be the rich who get harmed, it will be the middle class.

  • http://Boblivingstonletter Lyle McDaniel

    The great thinkers of our time; just ask any one of that Woodstock type of maggots,the protesters, what they have come up with that is good for the country and the stupid people that is paying their way. Have you heard any thing that indicated an original thought or a plan to enhance the American dream?The American nightmare yes,how to get a bigger welfare check , but not one of the hord of followers would ever bring something like new industry, inventions to promote new ways to help ( the people)obtain jobs and buisness. This is a cross section of our younger generation and education. And you need to also consider that some one else is paying their bill. ignorance breeds ignorance , stupidity fostwers more stupidity . The mob gets bigger..

  • Henry Ledbetter

    You can tell what kind of people they are by the garbage they leave behind.

  • Tamie Baggett

    What is the big deal. You don’t have to agree with the Occupy Wall Street protesters.

    • Dale on the left coast

      How could you even identify with them . . . as most can’t even articulate Why They Are There!! Are these the products of lieberal/progressive education in America?

  • http://moniquer7 Merlin

    Something seems phony about this whole thing.

  • DaveH

    Know that it isn’t so black and white. Some of the protestors are protesting Crony Capitalism which should be protested.
    Some reason:
    http://reason.com/blog/2011/10/07/what-we-saw-at-the-occupy-wall

    Most of the people interviewed were just young and dumb. But what else? We’ve let the public school propaganda system run wild for many, many decades now. And the Conservatives have been too busy trying to make a buck to take some time to fight back. We’ve apathetically allowed the United States to become something that our our Founders would abhor.
    It’s time to change that. Educate yourselves. Study the Constitution. Study the Federalist Papers. Watch John Stossel, and Judge Napolitano. Read from the many sites on the Internet that are devoted to the concept of Individual Freedom, such as mises.org, or cato.org, or reason.org, or lewrockwell.com, etc., etc.
    Vote for Ron Paul, the only Politician who has consistently voted against Unconstitutional Bills in Congress for 30 years.
    And join the Libertarian Party, the only Political Party in the US that truly understands the concept of Freedom.

  • PATRIOT 101

    This mob that wants to “Occupy” is not as poorly organized as the media would have us believe. The organization of this movement has been forecast for some time by people that have studied this administration, its radical leftist elements, and are versed in the History of Marxist/Communist takeovers of countries. The “Arab Spring” indeed were “trial runs” in many countries to perfect the “overthrow” techniques. The real prize and intent was to bring revolution to America and unrest to the world.
    They (the Marxists, communists) have succeeded so far, everything is going OK for them yet. The more it looks like these leftists are “screwing up” for the democrats, the better! This is part of the “master plan”. As long as Republicans, conservatives can be convinced by the talking heads (media) that this movement is “bad” for democrats, there is a complacency to let it build. This is WHAT THE COMMIES WANT! It must build, gathering up every sorry, disadvantaged and hard luck soul in America to call for the government to be overthrown. Civil unrest ensues, THEN THE CRACKDOWN!
    This is WHY the Media has told us for the last 6 months (or more) how disgusted Americans are with congress. The goal of all this COORDINATED mayhem is designed to have Obama circumvent congress. This is why he continually attacks the “Do nothing” Congress! He wants dictatorial power and feels he can get it as long as his approval rating is higher than that of congress! It IS WORKING TOO!
    We are perilously close to this “revolution” that the left has carefully set up for years. NOW is the time they have worked for and MUST succeed on this attempt or go down, exposed and even prosecuted as traitors. They know this, and if we the people don’t learn it soon, freedom will be lost!
    If the patriots of this nation can defeat this “revolution” we must root out the leadership and prosecute them. I think the leadership of this movement will be able to be traced right to the White House.

    • eddie47d

      Since Congress is the one with the god awful approval rating and since Washington has their umbilical cord attached to Wall Street then you should be able to make the correct connection.

      • JeffH

        …like you even have a clue…

      • OB1

        You are one sick puppy…..

  • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

    I’m starting to feel like a piranha is a sea of shad that all of you are so politically opinionated and deficient at the moment of Schrodinger’s cat, both dead and alive at the same time.

  • FreedomFighter

    Obviously the Communists rank and file puppets: Obama, Reedy, Pelosikie, Pivens, Jones, Hollywood’s useful tools want to bring about the revolution, as outlined in every book, article and paper they have ever published.

    These miscreants want to take over and direct the ZOMBIE army of drug lobotomized fools doing “Occupy whatever is Cool”.

    What are we going to do when they riot and Obummer cancels elections?

    That is the reason isnt it, control and power, finish killing America, martial law, enslavement of the population of America.

    Obama’s ZOMBIE army is attacking now.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • LAN

      There is a reason that 80 million people possess firearms. This is a bigger group than any army. I am a veteran and I do not believe that I could fire on fellow citizens. However, I would have no problem taking up arms with my fellow citizens because it is our obligation to oppress tyranny. If I have to decide between the tyranny of the commander in chief and the constitution, well that’s a no brainer.

    • Raggs

      You have it… This is a phony astro-turf movement to control the election in 12 via marshall law and the suspension of the constitution.

  • hawkeye

    I was on a website last night watching a video of Alex Jones and some other fellow who’s name I can’t remember, and Alex asked this fellow what was up with all these wall street protests and such, and the man said that George Soros was behind this. Do you suppose he is just doing this so that the elite can try to institute marshall law?

    • Chris Schilke

      Hawkeye,
      I don’t know about the elite instituting marshal law at this point, but they will have to eventually. I’m fairly sure that people certain ultra wealthy individuals want to stir up trouble so that they can divide and conquer so that they can institute their one world agenda which they can’t do as long as there is a strong United States to step in and stop it. What I’m sure of is that the only way to beat this country apart is to let it’s own people do it from inside. I have no love for the rich and I say that they should carry their fair share of the burden. It’s my opinion that we are all to blame for the mess that this country is in. We elect lawyers who don’t know anything about running a business and then we expect them to fix business problems. Another thing I’m sure of is that the poor fighting the rich won’t fix anything either because poor don’t understand wealth either. The lawyers and poor have no idea where wealth comes from because they don’t produce it. I will say that our problems in this country stem from greed and that greed is not the province of the rich alone. We can’t allow this country to be divided like it looks like it is.

  • Linda

    Since Ringer targets Frances Fox Piven, perhaps readers would like to hear her own view of the Tea Party vs. the Occupiers. Note: I posted this an hour ago, but that post is no where to be found. I didn’t think this site censored.

    “At a glance, all popular risings look alike with their crowds, banners and noise. But look a little closer and they can be as different as the peoples and cultures that comprise a society. The Tea Party, under one name or another, has actually been part of American politics for a long time. It is a movement that yearns for the restoration of an imaginary past, when the world was simple, men were men, women were women, leaders were white males, when the church steeple reigned over little towns and, aside from vaudeville, minorities had no public presence.
    Consistently, the Tea Party sympathizers in American politics today are almost all white, and they are better-off and older than the general population. That is why they chant “Take it back! Take it back! Take it back!” at their rallies. And their politics of hazy nostalgia is also why they are eagerly supported by rightwing business leaders.
    By contrast, the Occupy Wall Street people are mainly young, racially diverse, happily countercultural and, above all, eagerly inclusive. And contrary to early media reports, they are thoughtful and well-informed. Where Tea Partiers chanted confused slogans like “Get government’s hands off my Medicare!”, the Occupy Wall Street protesters issue well thought-out proclamations about a future defined by cooperation and a democracy freed from the clutches of economic oligarchy. And they invite Joseph Stiglitz to address their general assembly.”

    • libertytrain

      I read this same thing under a different article “Movement Made up of Fools” at 10 am. I think before you cry censorship you should try and remember where you posted…..

    • LAN

      LOL… thoughtful and well informed?

    • Raggs

      Go post your ridiculous comments on moveon.org or some of those other anti-american, anti-capitalist pro communist web sites.

      • Karolyn

        God forbid your ears or eyes should be assailed by something you do not believe in Raggs.

        • Raggs

          The dumb F-er above is attempting to split this country ( class warfare ) So yeah I don’t really agree with it… Besides if you believe that the Tea party is racist you should have some proof otherwise SHUT UP!

        • FreedomFighter

          Pivens is a Lucy Leftest hard core communist, nothing that woman wants is good for America.

          In my opinion Pivens is a SheDemonToad sent from sent from the darkest pit, to do what demons do.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

        • eddie47d

          Well Raggs you never provide proof of anything and only name calling attacks. Your arrogance overwhelms your hypocricy.

          • JeffH

            LMAO! Speaking of hypocrits…eddie is the #1 board hypocrit…you neither prove anything and constantly use name calling as your tool of choice.

  • Chris Schilke

    What the poor don’t realize, and I was one of them and didn’t know it either, is that even if the plot to take the wealth away from the wealthy and to redistribute that wealth among the so called poor proved successful, that the wealth would again find it’s way back into the hands of the minority. The reason? The poor don’t know what to do with wealth and those that do will always find a way to attract that wealth back to themselves. This is what happened after the French Revolution.

    • LAN

      There will be no wealth for the poor. That is not what Socialism is about. It’s about abolishing the middle class and having only rich and poor. The elite government owns everything and the people settle for the scraps they’re given. Obama is systematically taking things over. GM, fannie and freddy, student loans, healthcare.

      America has always been exceptional because it has a middle class and the ability for anyone with the wherewithal, drive, and work ethic to make it big. Funny how now we demonize successful business people but not actors, musicians, and athletes.

      • Song

        Exactly Chris and LAN! History has born out your assertions, time and time again, and yet, people like mark and eddie and karolyn and denniso and the young idealists of “occupy” refuse to see that and remain the useful idiots that have brought about revolutions and human suffering time and time again. Yeah! go Occupy! LMAO

        • Chris Schilke

          Song, it’s time for us to go out and do something. I think I’ll start to build another green house. Maybe, if nothing else, I’ll be able to feed myself when the Stuff hits the fan.

          • JeffH

            Chris, a little planning can go a long ways…at least you can grow something and use/eat it even if the sh*t don’t hit the fan…a win win for you either way.

      • Chris Schilke

        Lan, you make my point exactly, the poor will stay poor because they don’t know what to do. They think that if they take wealth from someone else they’ll be rich but, history proves they’ll stay poor and that if the current ruling class doesn’t survive there will be a new one to replace it. However, I do believe the current ruling class will come through unscathed because we really don’t know who they are. I think they are powerful people who prefer to stay hidden so they don’t lose their heads when the blade falls. The ruling elite learned their lessons well.

  • Sandy Kramer

    Every generation wants its own Woodstock. This one’s got sex and drugs, but where’s the rock ‘n roll?

  • http://Boblivingstonletter Lyle McDaniel

    hawkeye, you’r waking up. keep it up.

  • LAN

    If schools taught real history instead of diversity, unions, and being gay, then these kids out there protesting would have an understanding of Communism and Socialism. The indoctrination is nearly complete. The vast majority of teachers and professors are VERY left leaning and espouse their personal politics instead of teaching…

  • http://personallibertydigest Rosethorne

    What about people like me who were very wealthy at one time.Was an abuse wife. Worked side by side with my husband.Paid into the system for over 25 years.Built a very successful business with lots of hard work.Had to leave him and go into hiding the abuse became so bad.Lost everthing money wise.Rebuilt my life. Work for a few year.Something very bad happen. Became Disabiled.Now living off the money I payed into the system,but still its depending on the goverment to meet my need.So I have been in both places.Very rich and poor and now need the goverment for support right now.I do work partime to supplement my income.Caught between a rock and a hard place.I read all you comments and say Every person has a different situation going on and you need to realize that.Not all rich people are bad or poor people needing goverment help.And people have a right to have their voices heard good or bad.This country is in bad shape right now and I don’t know what going to happen.And for someone like me it’s very scary.I don’t know who to believe anymore or what’s truly best for the USA.

  • JeffH

    Occupy Atlanta hynotizes zombie collectivists with cult-like trance
    http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=8B371A69A44EC94AF36F00002647DBBC

    Here’s a great example of the distorted collectivist mindset of Marxists and socialists who want to toss out individuality and liberty in exchange for centrally-commanded doublespeak. What will you do when these zombies come after your individual liberties in the name of “the common good?”

  • JeffH

    It is now clear that statist agitators and leftist lobby groups with direct ties to the Democratic Party and the Obama administration are busy trying to co-opt the Occupy Wall Street movement and anoint themselves as leaders of this so-called “leaderless” resistance.

    That’s why agitators from MoveOn.org and other establishment-backed groups are deliberately trying to ostracize any activists who deviate from the collective borg hive and attempt to educate OWS protesters about the Federal Reserve, Ron Paul, or anything that actually poses a threat to the real epicenter of economic corruption.

    Many of the genuine ‘Occupy’ demonstrators who started the movement are expressing their frustration about this tactic of subversion on the official Occupy Wall Street website.

    Watch this video clip in which WeAreChange San Antonio activist Matthew Medina exposes how MoveOn.org(Soros) have dispatched their agitators to divide the protesters on grounds of race and gender, while acting as thought police in attempting to ring-fence what ideas can and cannot be aired.
    http://www.infowars.com/occupy-agitators-sabotage-first-amendment/

    • eddie47d

      Are you saying that the Koch brothers who financed the Tea Party movement weren’t trying to suade the public to their way of thinking. Jeff is only trying to divide with partisan swill when there are important issue coming from both sides.

      • Song

        Wrong as usual eddie and without anything to EVER back up any of your opinions.

        • eddie47d

          Back up what you say Song or are you being that little black pot.No matter what Jeff tries to say the Koch’s are indeed involved in financing the Tea Party. I’m use to his spin on things.

      • JeffH

        eddie, unlike the usefull minion like yourself, I will always choose freedom, liberty, capitalism and a free market system of government over Marxism, socialism, communism, progressivism, crony capitalism and a facist government.

        • eddie47d

          But not Freedom and Liberty for all. That is the big difference between you and me .You pick and choose which American deserves those Freedoms and stiffle other folks Liberties.We know you support capitalism no matter how much the crony’s have raped us.In other words you would protect the elites every time over the little guy;aka workers.

          • JeffH

            Just as Mr. Livingston has posted on a few occasions and others have said it also…you just don’t get it…and you have zero(0) credibility!

      • JeffH

        FYI…the Koch Bros. didn’t fund or finance the grassroots Tea Party movement…there is no doubt that they support the movement and are associated with libertarian and conservative 501(c)(4) Non-Profit Organizations that offer support for the movement. There are many groups who have hi-jacked the “tea party” name into their organizations and movements but there is only ONE original “grassroots” Tea Party movement.

        On January 24, 2009, Trevor Leach, chairman of the Young Americans for Liberty in New York State organized a “Tea Party” to protest obesity taxes proposed by New York Governor David Paterson and call for fiscal responsibility on the part of the government.

        Leaders within the Tea Party credit Seattle blogger and conservative activist Keli Carender with organizing the first Tea Party in February 2009, although the term “Tea Party” was not used. Other articles, written by Chris Good of The Atlantic and NPR’s Martin Kaste, credit Carender as “one of the first” Tea Party organizers and state that she “organized some of the earliest Tea Party-style protests”.

        Carender first organized what she called a “Porkulus Protest” in Seattle on Presidents Day, February 16, the day before President Barack Obama signed the stimulus bill into law. Carender said she did it without support from outside groups or city officials. “I just got fed up and planned it.”

      • DaveH

        If you had even the vaguest clue about economics, Eddie, you would know that the Koch Brothers are heroes. What they advocate, Free Markets, is anathema to many of those in Big Business (Crony Capitalists) who much prefer the protection of Big Government. Free Markets demand business owners to constantly work to stay on top by pleasing their fickle consumers. With Free Markets, the biggest companies can fail overnight (and they won’t be bailed out), and upstart entrepreneurs can become overnight sensations (think Bill Gates, or Steve Jobs). Why should Crony Capitalists face Free Markets when it’s much cheaper to buy their favorite Politicians?
        It is a rare rich person who will advocate Free Markets.

  • Roger

    Communism or any of the “isms are not what is destroying the U.S. ….GREED and FEAR are!

    I am Libertarian, by the way, and KNOW that the best “Socialist” system is a TRUE Free Market system. Unfortunaely what we have and what most Americans think (feel) is a Free Market, is in reality, Establishment Capitalism…the GREED part.

    The Brainwashing about Terrorism, Islam, Drugs, Money Laundering and Illegal Immigrants etcetera is the FEAR part!

    The America you KNEW no longer exists and is being replaced by EASTERN power…GET USED to IT, because you sure as hell are not willing to pay the price of creating a TRUE FREE MARKET!

    • mark

      It never existed! There has never been free market capitalism in the United States in its entire 235 year history. Free market capitalism only exists in university economic classes. In the real world it has never operated. There has never been a truly free market but rather lots of government intervention, tariffs, duties, regulations, subsidies to the military and for military production, special tax breaks, company colusion on prices, company special rates for favored customers, govenment favoritism for some companies like railroads and arms producers. If you think you can have a truly free market in this world you are dreaming. And private companies, businesses, and individual citizens are just as much to blame as the governments.

      • DaveH

        So, if you can’t achieve perfection, you don’t try at all?
        One thing is for sure. Socialism has existed, many times, and it always fails miserably.
        Go here for a reality lesson:
        http://www.freetheworld.com/2011/reports/world/EFW2011_complete.pdf

      • eddie47d

        Excellent Mark and they never seem to get it. Dave H does too much wishing and hoping but I do give him an A in trying for a better economic way.

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    We all know about the protests on Wall Street. The Democraps/leftists in the past have falsely accused tea partiers of using racial slurs, but could find no audio/video tapes to prove it. So we know the leftists are lying. But we do have solid evidence of these miscreants on Wall Street making anti-Semitic slurs. Why won’t the liberal media give this more coverage?? These malcontents on Wall Street don’t sound like mainstream Americans. I think many of them are drones or welfare moochers. And in some of the pictures we’ve seen, these leftwing hippies are dressed in crazy costumes. They remind me of the animal rights PETA wackos!!

    Herman Cain had a good suggestion; that they should move their protests to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. That way they’d be putting the blame for our economic woes where it belongs. Herman Cain is right!! Put the blame for our economic woes where it belongs – on BHO and his democraps. More than ever, I now see the perfect ticket: “Cain/Bachmann – 2012”!! I really think Herman Cain can beat BHO. At least this way there’s no race card involved if you oppose BHO. In fact, we can give the leftwing democraps a dose of their own medicine. By that I mean Herman Cain is (presumably) all black, while BHO is half black. So when the libs endorse BHO, let’s ask them why they prefer a half white candidate over an all black candidate!! LOL!!

    • Raggs

      I’m with you on Herman Cain… I think he is a very smart thoughtfull man that is straight up with America… I will vote for Herman in a heart beat…

      • DaveH

        Herman Cain is a Military Statist, Drug-War loving, establishment Republican who thinks he can successfully manage the largest economy in the World. He can’t. No individual can.
        If you want more of the same, then vote for Herman Cain.

      • Karolyn

        Yuck!

  • Enrique

    It is incredible the parallel between those hords trying to destroy the US, and their similars in the streets of our cities and campuses in Colombia, using the same marxists arguments and methods have attacked our society for forty years, backed by Castro, and now by Chavez and Ortega. With narco-terrorists groups FARC-ELN armed and trained in Cuba, they have killed and kidnamping thousands of innocent people, destroyed hundreds of towns, schools, hospitals, roads, bridges,power lines etc. Some one have to do something there and help us to erradicate that plage from our country.

    • eddie47d

      You seem to forget that the right in Columbia was armed and trained by the USA and allowed those who were trained to be in the drug trade and to also kill union leaders and workers. I’m glad that Columbia is coming out of those years of abuse from both sides of the drug war. They were all evil bast*rds

      • Song

        Ah, that’s right eddie because you obviously have lived in every country on this planet and everywhere in the continental United States and know everything there is to know about everything. Good grief…why don’t you actually go DO something! Or at the very least, with all of your time you should at least be able to provide references for all of your “know everything” assertions!

        • eddie47d

          Why don’t you ever bring up some facts SONG instead of bellyaching all the time. Read up on the narco wars in Columbia and you might learn something. Is that to difficult for you?

          • Vicki

            Don’t worry Song. Eddie47d does not have a reputation for bringing facts into his assertions.

      • JeffH

        eddie, do you ever remember what you say from one post to the next?

        eddie47d says:
        October 11, 2011 at 10:02 am

        Yes Jerry you are falling for the left/right bickering and doing it in spades.That is drinking the kool aid.

        Ah yes…left/right bickering…eddie’s mantra…who’s the one falling for it? Teacher, teacher… I know the answer(hand waving high)

        • DaveH

          You surely don’t expect logic and consistency from a troll, do you Jeff?

          • JeffH

            Nope!

        • OB1

          DaveH and Jeff, here is a gift from me to you. Sent my best research on two topics only today..check my posts. This is just a thought for all freedom lovers!:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDvBmWOf8m0&feature=player_embedded

          • JeffH

            OB1, that’s great isn’t it! This is the 3rd time I’ve watched it today. Thanks!

        • eddie47d

          Speaking of belly achers and the two stooges chime in. Jealous that I might know something you don’t know or else you would have proven me different. In other words you have nothing and you do know that!

          • JeffH

            Bah, bah, bah!

  • chuckb

    eddie, what are you saying? the right wing trained the left wing? that’s a new perspective.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    Earl of Queens
    I have similar thoughts. Cain is getting a lot of support in the south and best I can tell is the real deal.

    • DaveH

      The real establishment deal.

  • HarryButtle

    The United States of America and its citizens are not your play things anymore.

  • JudyG46

    Many of them are a bunch of spoon-fed, do-nothing, socio-economic non-producers, who leech of the system that they are protesting!

    Let’s see: Razors by Gillette, Cellphones by Samsung, Laptop by Apple, Cameras by Nikon, Makeup by Proctor and Gamble, Hair dye by Clairol, Cardboard boxes by Kimberly-Clark, Markers by Sharpie, Eddy Bauer backpacks, Shirts from the Gap…THEY JUST DON’T GET IT, DO THEY!?!?!? Everything they’re protesting they are either wearing, carrying, or using!!!

    Brilliant, aren’t they? And who is supporting this insanity? The Democrats, Unions and people who have made their millions as capitalists!!!

    C’mon people. Get a life…get real. You’re really confused!

  • Raggs

    oblama and his commie party are supporting this so-called march on the rich this leads me to believe that oblama is using this as a smoke screen in order to turn Americas eyes away from his failure as a “leader” not to mention giving his media something to report on other than eric holders gun running scam…

  • ENDdaFED

    I love your writing, Robert Ringer, but you’re wrong about this. The movement is in the midst of being co-opted by MoveOn.org and other Rockefeller foundation organizations, but the majority of people are not commies or cuckoos. If so-called awake people such as yourself would get out there the true revolution could being. The majority are not completely awake, but are quickly becoming educated and all these articles by “successful people” such as yourself are going to cause the violence to begin. The commenters on many “conservative” sites are ready to shoot the protesters!!

    There are morons on both sides of the aisle, but the people need to be educated that the problem — almost all of our problems — lie with the Federal Reserve fractional reserve banking system. When we all realize that then the “aisle” can disappear and we can have a true revolution in this country… and indeed, the whole world.

  • F86

    The bitter and ignorant comments of the author and his apoligists on this post should consider turning in their membership cards to the human race. You’re nothing but a bunch of frightened animals.

    • Raggs

      Dig hole in sand insert head. :)

    • FreedomFighter

      Leftest consider themselves animals that evolved from some type of ape.

      I am a creation of God with god given rights.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • DaveH

      F86,
      Why don’t you try enlightening us instead of resorting to name-calling and other adolescent manipulative techniques?

  • Buck

    They are trying to replicate the protests of the 60′s , unfortunately the 60′s protests wer orchestrated by the communists in academia and these ones are being orchestrated from the communists in Washington DC in general and the White House in particular , with the unions and community organizers carrying the water , thereby eliminating the spontanaity that made them most effective . Of course they do have the lamestream media to cover their a– and pretend that they are effective , unfortunately for them they do not have the political effectiveness of the tea party and constitution defending groups that are the true grassroots movements .

  • JeffH

    ALERT***Just in***DOJ crook Eric Holder just announced that Iran had put in place a plan to bomb Israeli and Saudi Embassies in the US…2 arrests have been made…

    Hmmm, who wants to make a bet that the next(PTB)plotted war will be against IRAN…is it real or is it MEMOREX?

    • Raggs

      Save face of holder… So you can bet for the next three months we will hear NOTHING from the left media but how super-holder saved the world in order to yet again throw propaganda into the mix of distractions from the truth.

      • JeffH

        Raggs, this in no way is a feather in Holder’s cap…the point is that this is just another distraction to focus on(never let a crisis go to waste) and that the next aggression to occupy our troops with will be with Iran…the PTB have been pushing this idea for quite a few years now…as well as indocrinating the public with the ideas of further aggression into Pakistan. Gotta keep the troops fighting somewhere I guess. There’s big money to be made in war!

        • Raggs

          Your suggestion is that this is a gateway to open a new door of war with Iran?

          Very possible…. Russia will never have the US in war with Iran unless we are willing to start WWIII and with the mis-state of the US it may even be an attraction to the Communist union. If this is what you are saying than I fully agree.

          • JeffH

            Raggs, exactley, although it will not be called a “war”…

  • Karolyn

    Patrick Howley claimed he infiltrated Saturday’s DC protest in order to discredit it – but account has since been altered

    Conservative editor of American Spectator tries to highjack protest
    http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/10/11-3

    And you say that only liberals cause trouble?

    • FreedomFighter

      If You Want to Stop Crime in America, Start in the White House and Work Your Way Down

      http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/if-you-want-to-stop-crime-in-america-start-in-the-white-house-and-work-your-way-down_10102011

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • JeffH

      Karolyn, you don’t think Howley was just in it for a sensational story…hardley an example of conservative trouble making to cite although a bit of an embarrasement to the American Spectator…that any media is trying to make a story really doesn’t mean anything else…now back to common dreams…

      • Karolyn

        Jeff – Actually, the comments on Common Dreams are the best part. They really run the gamut; and you would be surprised at how many people share some of your views. Even the stories are tame compared to the writers on this blog. That’s why I like it. Despite what you might perceive, I think it has some balance to it.

        • DaveH

          Like balancing other peoples’ wallets in their hands.

          • Karolyn

            Totally uncalled for – once again.

  • Karolyn

    Veterans for Peace arrested in Boston. Notice the photo at the bottom of the page of an oldere veteran protesting the American Legion.
    http://www.commondreams.org/further/2011/10/11-4

  • ONTIME

    We have over the last couple of decades allowed the price of decadence to becone the norm, since the era of T. Roosevelt this nation has been gradually been lead down the garden path of european socialism. Fortunately many Americans have not allowed the kind of thinking to become to prevalent but now the culture of over spending and let the good times roll have overcome much of our commonsense heriatage and the yankee trader and yankee ingenuity have been skewered by the socialist with a eye on the world, it is just more ancient repression by opportunistic greed to oppress as many as possible to allow a elite group to exist at the top of the food chain. it’s not new, it won’t ever go away and it will always have to be defeated for the likes of life, liberty and the pursuit of freedom to continue to exist….communism is the fear of someone somewhere having fun.

  • JeffH

    Unions are also jumping on the bandwagon to support Occupy Wall Street. Yet some of the complaints being made by the protesters concerning businesses taking operations overseas, can be directly attributed to unions and their higher wages and benefits demands on employers. In a depressed economy when profit margins have dropped in many sectors, some businesses have no alternative but to either move out of the country or close their doors. Perhaps some of the Wall Street protesters should be taking their protests to union offices and headquarters around the nation instead of Wall Street?

    But what if you started a small company in your garage thirty years ago and it cost you dearly to do so. You put everything you had into that company. You ate Ramen noodles, macaroni and cheese and perhaps splurged on a hotdog once a month for several years because you couldn’t afford anything else. You kept your old car running with bailing wire and duct tape and sat on an old blanket because the seats had worn through, because you couldn’t afford anything else. For several years you were on the verge of complete bankruptcy and ruin, but you sacrificed everything else possible because you believed in your dream. Then slowly your business starts to take off and grow. You’re finally able to buy a reliable car and eat real meat and veggies. Your company continues to grow until thirty hard years later you’re a millionaire and you now provide jobs for several hundred people. Then a group of individuals, such as those occupying Wall Street along with the Democrats, want you to take your hard earned money and give it away to complete strangers just because you nearly killed yourself to become successful and they didn’t. Is this the American way you want?

    This is exactly what many of the protesters are demanding and this is what Democrats having been trying to do for some time now. It doesn’t matter that you worked so hard to become what you are, they are demanding that you be penalized for your success. And if they get what they’re demanding, then what is the incentive to work hard, to create a successful business if you know that all of your efforts and success goes to others and not you?

    The only reason the Reid/Pelosi Democrats are supporting the Occupy Wall Street movement is to fullfill their socialist agenda in hopes that it will force Obama’s plan to increase the taxes on the wealthiest people to help distribute the wealth.

    http://godfatherpolitics.com/1439/dems-using-occupy-wall-street-for-socialist-agenda/

    • DaveH

      Don’t bore the Liberals with all that talk about sacrifice. They just want what you have, and they don’t care what you gave up to get it.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Anybody who equates these so called protestors with the founding fathers is insulting their memories. You should be ashamed. If you want a war between fellow Americans, you had better arm yourself, because, I and like minded people are armed to the teeth. You have been forewarned. It certainly sounds like that is what you expect to happen. These useful idiots will soon tire and disappear into the night. Then we can get back to useful debate on the issues of the day. I for one, will not pay any attention to any of the broadcasts reporting on this subject. My time is too valuable. Unfortunately, I see that many people on this site have too much time on their hands, for their own good and mine.

  • Royal

    To Robert Ringer:
    I greatly appreciate you portrayal of America in this article.

    The scope and depth of which you paint should be clearly understood by any clear thinking adult with at least a 5th grade education.

    For some that may have a lesser measure of ability to think logically, perhaps it might be helpful to distinguish between ’cause(s) of problems versus symptoms of problems’.

    While it goes back much further, and for the sake of those uninterested in history …. “Cloward & Piven” including Saul Alinsky are much of the cause for current ailment(s) of America. Van Jones, R. Barr, and their ilk are merely symptoms.
    The action(s), inaction(s) and utterances of Obama and those surrounding him are mere symptoms …. but those symptoms grow more painful with each passing week.

    The symptoms have become so painful that a large part of America doesn’t care about the underlying problem causing the pain.

    Those that believe they are serious thinkers will find the thread below to be interesting:
    http://www.therightscoop.com/open-thread-grinding-america-down/

    I’ll stop here with this symptom:
    “Remember, the same media that is trying to convince you that Sarah Palin is stupid is the same media that crawled through every dumpster, every bar, every place of business in Wasilla, Alaska looking for dirt on her …. while completely ignoring the obvious anti-Americanism with regard to Barack Obama….”.

    There are so many other “dots to be connected ….”.

  • http://personalliberty Jan

    Obmas fathers dream oh yes. I read “Dreams of my Father” and “Audticy of Hope” both written by obama. and they expalin exactly his plan to destroy AMERICA. Mr. Ringer thank you for remining me . I have sent e-mails out for all AMERICANS TO
    READ THESE 2 BOOKS. NOW will wake more up to his TYRANY
    GOD BLESS AMERICA & OUR TROOPS.

    • Karolyn

      I read Dreams of My Father. It’s all in the perception, because I did not get out of it what you did. Why can’t any of you see that one’s view of anything is all in one’s perception?

      • Raggs

        Your oblama should have named the book.. “The ( his ) aspirations of a communist society” And NO I have not been able to stoop to a low that requires me to read his book….

        • Karolyn

          Raggs – He is not “my” Obama. Just because I debate these issues with you does not mean I agree with everything he does.

          • Raggs

            OK I may buy that… But… Have you ever noticed that EVERYTIME he sticks his ugly head on the tube HIS action is that of an imitation of Adolf Hitlers very LOUD and Volcal aggression as if he finds himself as an untouchable power???? This so-called man finds himself at a higher power and in his own mind he rules over man… I find that very disturbing to say the least.. If he would ( NEVER ) show that kind of commitment in the interest of our country instead of his own agenda than he would maybe ( doubt it ) someday ( again never ) grow up and find that his wishes and his personal hate towards America will be his end.

          • http://deleted Claire

            I heard today that Christie has endorsed Romney. Hmmmmm….

          • Raggs

            I AM a grown man.. I refuse to think that I or anyone else needs a person shouting at me or us like we are all stupid kids that have no common sence of our own and they are to decide for us what they want… oblama IS that type of person and there is NOTHING at all that he will ever be able to do or say that I will agree with. And I mean absolutely nothing…

          • Raggs

            Claire… rommney… As far as I’m concerned give this guy a too-too.

            He is an established politican and a phony…

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Those were wet dreams of his father.

  • Donna

    I am totally deleting this website from my email. I wanted another perspective, but this is hostile and ignorant beyond comprehension.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Goodbye and good riddance.

  • Karolyn

    I have been watching videos of teapartiers and believe me it’s hard to choose the worst one, there are so many! I had to post this short one of a man with Parkinson’s opposite some teapartiers. It was either that or the one at a town hall meeting where they heckled a woman in a wheelchair. There were plenty more, I especially liked the one at the Washington rally that showed all the garbage in and around the garbage can, which really surprised me because teapartiers all clean up after themselves, don’t they? Isn’t it a fact that only liberals leave garbage?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ik4f1dRbP8&feature=related

    • DaveH

      “Teabaggers mock and scorn Parkinson’s Victim”?
      And you believe that obviously staged event, Karolyn?
      You’re easy. All somebody need do is feed your Hopes and Dreams and you’ll believe anything they say.

      • DaveH

        You would trust somebody that uses that very derogatory term “Teabagger”?

      • Karolyn

        Whether you believe it was staged or not makes no difference, Dave. There’s plenty more where that came from. My point being, once again, that people are people. You’ve seen worse derogatory terms than “teabagger” used here for liberals haven’t you? Oh, well, you’ve even used them. NOBODY is better than anyone else. I get really tired of everybody knowing everything and being on those very high horses. We can’t all be so learned and intelligent and perfect.

  • Mike

    Is it true some of the protesters in New York are in need of food donations and a
    produce grower in Colorado is donating a trailer load of cantaloupe for every cantaloupe
    that the public donates.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      I hope they are from the farm that was shut down.

  • http://www.hashkem.globaltensystems.com/ WakeUp

    The mega-corporations could not take over the economy without the government. Call it the corporate-state, crony capitalism or the tapeworm government (read Catherine Austin-Fitts http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0712/S00153.htm). She documents that both parties are fully mobilized to serve the tapeworm government. Socialism will not remedy that. It will institutionalize it. Authoritarian government in council with the biggest corporations to regulate all economic activity is the essence of fascism. Communism is the same except for the rhetoric. “Crony capitalism” has nothing to do with capitalism, any more than the “privately” owned monopolies of 300 years ago were capitalist. First step is to throw out the establishment leadership of both parties and get the government out of partnership with big business and big banking, including abolishing the Federal Reserve. If the government has the power to control, corruption inevitably follows. Once you need permission to do everything because you can’t move without getting busted, it’s all bribery, blackmail and extortion. And no one will have anything except the fat cats and their satraps, or the bosses and thier corporate courtiers and camp followers. Government has to be returned to being the servant, not the master.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      There were monopolies in 1711? Was that the British Crown?

      • DaveH

        Monopolies can’t exist without the force of Government.

    • jemcgloin

      Let’s get the corporations out of the government and give it back to the People, and then We the People can start arguing with each other about what the government should do.

  • David169

    Perhaps someone can explain how the end game of the Cloward-Piven plan works. If I understand the principle correctly the idea is to get so many people dependant on the government that the present government fails. This is to be done at the same time the wealth is taken from the wealthy.
    If the wealth is taken from the wealthy at least 50% of the small businesses will fail. they are owned by the wealthy. Since small business employs 80% of the workers about 40% of the people would lose their jobs. At the same time if so many people were dependant on the government that the government failed putting in a new government of any type would also fail because there would still be too many drones in the hive. The combination of both these hitting the economy at once would cut off all the entitlements including unemployment payments and put our unemployment over 50% because no matter what type of government was installed it would be bankrupt from the start and the economic base would be destroyed..

  • jopa

    mark;Now that it is the fall and hunting season, it was probably antelope the Colorado farmer was donating to feed the Wall Street crowd.However if you heard this news story from a Fox reporter sitting under a palm tree in Wisconsin,Hmmmm.

  • wayne Hales

    Karolyn:

    Do you know how many times the Soros and his cronies from Moveon.Org or other liberal cronies have been caught infiltrating the Tea Party and doing the very things to the Tea Party that you are suggesting. Broaden your mind to this fact. Maybe it was a member of the Tea Party and maybe it was somewhat staged by a liberal to make the Tea Party look bad. It has happened over and over and over again.

    • Karolyn

      Come on, wayne, they all do it. They are all PEOPLE with agendas, and there are bound to be those who will try to sabotage the other side. The Tea Party people are not saints; nobody is!

      • David169

        There are a lot of bigger issues here other than trash around a trash can.

        • Raggs

          Yup… the TRASH in the white house.

  • robert shrugged.

    if that is what they want then let the men of money cease to provide the jobs and business they expect as a free ride to the poor house for everyone who except the provided them jobs will now be taken from them because the rich and business men are due for a vacation and should call this a strike for truth. the business men worked hard for what they had and have, and those who do not have the ability or the drive want a free ride. that is only in dreams. reality is men of wealth had the vision and the drive to create, but the unions, the politicians (dems, socialists, marxists, and progressives) want what they have. I pray that the business men go on strie and show these politicians, union hacks, and slackers who really create and disperse goods and services.

  • robert shrugged.

    sorry i ment strike

  • robert shrugged.

    i ment go on strike

  • jemcgloin

    The real job creators are the consumers. If the consumers have money to spend, then businesses will be able to expand, and will be able to find money to invest. When the stock market rewards companies that fire workers, steal pensions, and move factories overseas, and politicians cut the salaries and benefits of public workers, social security, medicare and other benefits, than the money that is spent in local businesses will shrink.
    Tax cuts are more likely to be spent overseas, invested in risky instruments like the ones that crashed the economy, or put into speculating on commodities driving up the prices for food energy and precious metals.
    Over the last 30 years the real income of 80% of Americans is flat, while the income of the richest 2% has multiplied by five. At the same time the capital gains taxes, and corporate taxes are down, and the top income tax income rate has been cut in half. What do we have to show for it? The biggest recession in 60 years.
    Tax cuts do not grow the economy. Businesses are sitting in $2.9trillion in cash, waiting for consumers to start spending again. At the same time Republicans are demanding more cuts in incomes and benefits for the middle class. It is a downward spiral designed by transnational corporations to turn the United States of America into a third world country.
    Saudi Arabia just awarded a $1trillion deal to a Spanish consortium to build a high speed rail system. How come it didn’t go to American companies? Because, we never built a high speed rail system. It’s “too expensive.” The Chinese have built 7,000 miles of high speed rail, and many other capital projects. The Chinese stimulus plan was $3trillion–6 times bigger than ours. They do all of the things we can’t afford, but we owe them a trillion dollars.
    Make giant corporations and billionaires invest in your country, not someone else’s.

    • Karolyn

      Amen!

      • Raggs

        Karo.. what do you mean by AMEN?… your agreeing with that gobblin?
        I had some hope for you but.. oh well.

        • Karolyn

          Well, Raggs, I guess you can’t “make” them invest in their own country, but it is what they should be doing. BTW – Have you heard about the 3 mil jobs coming back to the US from China? How about the big push by ABC that is bringing the spotlight on “Made in the USA?” Despite whatever crap you have to say about the MSM, ABC is doing a wonderful job in getting businesses, as well as the public, to change to American made stuff. The latest is building a house totally with American made materials – and it is cost effective!

          • Raggs

            The term “invest” is almost always used by the progressive as a short term for blowing the wad and waking up in the morning with a smile on the face… It is pretty much like —-(offensive sentence removed)

          • Raggs

            (offensive comment removed)

          • Thinking About

            Raggs, your comments are completely out of line and I would hope be removed.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Thinking About: A couple of days ago one of my comments was “awaiting moderation.” I said bit– and sh–. And yes, shame on me for saying those words. But I think some of the comments are certainly worse than what I posted.

          • Karolyn

            Raggs – Showing your true colors as a pig?

    • Raggs

      Well you sure have had too much kool-aid.

      In your little brain cell you want to throw more billions into the unions that elect a communist dictator.. Oh but ya know the evil “rich” that you suck money from because they had no choice due to the demoncraps that to the likes of the housing market failure that they “created” by forcing banks to loan to the non-working populace in order for you to get a FREE house… All that I can say to you is go out and get a F-in job and stop your living off of the people like me that actually work.

      • Raggs

        OH I’m sorry there are NO job’s… Gotta wonder why we have oblama then now don’t we?

  • Antonio

    Riots, killin, robbin and martial law will soon kick in. For those of you who have not believed will pay dearly…
    ORDER FROM CHAOS = NEW WORLD ORDER

  • Margaret

    I have often wanted to use this quotation from Orwell’s Animal Farm “Some pigs are more equal than others”. I am one of them(of the more equal pigs). I work and resent the cuckoos parading around complaing how they are not getting their “fair share”. All of the cuckoo’s need to read this book and compare it to political-economic systems. Their freedom ends where my freedom begins. While I hope they are only blowing hot air on the subject, I hope someone has some sense and ends their wall street campaign before it becomes ugly. It doesn’t take me long to see that there are politicians who must be endorsing their actions, but I don’t see these politicians emptying their pockets for tthe cuckoo’s causes. Let those who have jobs at the top contribute to those in their company at the bottom including the President of the United States and his “gang” contribute to all the returning veterans. They fought for our country. Those who have all this time on their hands can give up their jobs to the veterans.

  • Tinman

    eddie47d, Get off the plantation freeloader and stop drinking that kool aid. Be a man get off your knees and stand up , have some pride!

    • eddie47d

      Tinman get a life and stop wallowing in the mud with the rest of the low life’s. When you do get up wipe that Ca Ca off your lips and stop embarrassing yourself. Never have been a freeloader so your lippity intelligence is now -1 and I’m being generous tonight.

      • Song

        hahahahahahahahaha and now eddie is playing the “Big Man” on the little board. hahahahahahahahahaha….your a schmuck eddie…I pity your wife.

    • Raggs

      One will never have pride if one never has a meaning of life. But in itself pride can be an evil thing.. So many people have NO idea that oblama and his bitch has never had ANY pride in this country until he was deemed the leader.. And that is a fault and that fault will undo his compasion for control.

  • http://www.easyinvest.co.za peter

    Anybody who still cannot see the trials and tribulations ahead of this planet in 2012 must need a brain scan. Whilst we are all concerned with the re-election of the present potus, the price of shares, the stock market and exchange rates, the world is crumbling around us and something is going to give. Realistically the leaders who have diligently led us on the path we have followed so voraciously are laughing at our stupidity, waiting the chance to declare dictatorship and create a world of slaves to do their bidding or perish. They forget that all dictators fail in the end, proven historically time and time again, but they are comfortable in their shortlived celebrity status which is about to end very soon. They are unable to resist the desire to plunder ad infinitum. Fools indeed and incompetent as well.

    • hitthedeck

      The protesters have made their point or should I say points! So what is their next move besides living in the streets? Are they going to burn down businesses or beat up CEO’s? What can they possibly do to actually change Wall Street without stealing money from the banks? The revolution pitch will not work because it would turn into civil war. Destroying capitalism is a direct assault on the livelihood of the majority of the American population. The majority will not put up with a unruly mob and if these protesters cannot take their protest to Washington where the problems were created by their elected so called public servants then they will meet a fate that will inflect injury upon their own movement. We have a democracy and these dam fools want to bypass the procedure that would address the problem. It’s called the ballot box!

      • Vicki

        Actually what we have is a Constitutionally LIMITED Republic. Our forefathers understood that democracy was 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner and did everything they could to prevent one from forming on our shores.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

  • MMK

    If anyone is to blame for our current state of affairs it’s Obama, Barney Frank, and Chris Dodd…they insisted banks put the “poor” and “minorities” in housing and boy did they ever! They ruined all of us for the “poor” in America who just had to be in a home! Renting wasn’t good enough for them! Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and Obama should be sitting in jail right now for what they’ve done to America!And they think noone saw them in the background pulling the puppet strings!

    • Glenn Leahey

      Do you have a strong/similar opinion to the change/gutting of COMMODITIES LAWS from @1996 when Bill Clinton, Trent Lott and Newt Gingrich which then permitted banks to use “housing derivitives” for profit making…the result being INACTION by the 2 Bush admin/s and a variety of Republicans and Democrats from 2001-January 2009…and nearly 20 million Americans…including about 8 million children LOSING their houses? Follow the money…poor/working people got SCREWED on this and the rich got richer.

  • bob wire

    Wow! hot subject!

    It funny that it only called “class warfare” when the people fight back.

    Other wise , it’s business as usual.

    I’ve never notices Banks doing anything just because someone “insisted”. They work for profit like everyone else. Don’t confuse enticement with demanding. There was greatly inflated profit margin or they would not have lent out the money.

    There is enough blame to go around for everyone involved, I see little gain by singling out one party over another.

    It’s much like the fishery that did a brisk business on a isolated island for 20 years. With it came people and other small business interest. Then thousands of birds and seals that enjoyed the trash and by products thrown out.

    The fishery closed, the people and birds moved on and the seals all died.

    America’s employment machine has stopped, some can move on and some are left to starve out.

    How anyone can be so calloused and indifferent to the ones left behind tells us something about people in general.

  • jopa

    Raggs:Perhaps you think some day you are going to go from Raggs to riches but I doubt it if you spend most of your life spouting out nonsense that would just benefit the rich.You just can’t sit around all day and hope for wealth, you have to go out and work for it.Or are you one of those people that buy a lottery ticket each week thinking you have total control over your destiny and you are going to hit it big?

  • Free Man From Elite Influences

    Apparently, the writer of this article never studied American history. The citizens of this country, back in the 1700′s fought for their freedom from England (ask the Tea Party) and were also called kooks and revolutionaries. The differnce now is true revolutionaries do not get hanged, but I am sure if you let them, the GOP and Governor Perry would try to change that.

  • Peter

    I am neither right nor left leaning, so please don’t insult my intelligence by accusing me of either.
    A few things stand out to me though.
    1: The original Tea Party was formed and enacted in order to overthrow oppressive British rule and to get rid of the notion of big government.
    2: The current Tea Party seem to want to do the same, yet they still want to allow big corporations the ‘freedom’ to suck billions of dollars from every unknown crevice of society they can find or conjure up.
    3:Corporations don’t care a hoot for anyone, they only care about increasing their profit so their leaders can get more bonuses and share options and buy more jets and yachts.
    4: Many of those protesting this unbridled power on Wall St are actually regular moms and dads, not the unwashed hippies the popular media would paint them as. Read all the journalism you can, not just right-wing outlets if you want to get closer to the truth.
    5: The last time I looked, America was founded on the principals of individual freedom, the right to dissent and free speech. Since when did we bequeath that right to only those who are in power either via politics, corporations or media moguls?
    6: I see a good measure of hypocrisy in those who are saying, “It’s ok for us to berate BO and his side of politics (yes I agree, he has been a huge disappointment to everyone in America), but it’s not ok for anyone else to speak out against unbridled corporate power, because they must be miscreants and hippies!”
    7: Bob Livingston himself displays a measure of this hypocrisy by supporting the right wing of politics almost without question, yet presenting a very solid and credible stream of articles AGAINST the power of corporate pharmaceuticals and others! In case nobody’s watching, pharmaceutical companies pay millions into the coffers of mainly the right wing of politics, to curry favor through policy lobbying. How does that work Bob? I support you in your health focus, but I’m left scratching my head when you support these same crooks through the GOP!!
    8: Wall St financiers! Wow, what a bunch of naked emperors! First, they get to loan money that doesn’t exist. (Banks are allowed to loan up to 10 times what they hold in deposits. In other words, they’re allowed to create money out of thin air! At least the Govt has to actually print it!) Then the financial traders create other instruments for artificial profit manufacture out of thin air! It’s not enough just to trade stocks and bonds, no, you have to add derivitives, put options, warrants etc etc. All based purely on a notion of possible value with absolutely NOTHING to back them up. Just a gamble. The emperor has been naked for many many years folks, and nobody is game to admit it.
    9: US Arms manufacturers also lobby both sides of Govt but are most in bed with the GOP, to ensure the perpetuity of the war on terror. Solely based on profit. Not interested whatsoever in the suffering caused to and by Americans on the field of conflict. The catch 22 here though, is that if these companies didn’t retain their sales contract with the Govt, a lot of ordinary Americans would be out of work. This is a ‘lose/lose’ situation.
    10: No matter what side of politics you support folks, we’re all facing an unwinnable war. If ‘We the People’ gain control through social unrest, it will destroy the economy globally. If the Govt and corporate power retains control, we sink further into the depths of corporate anarchy, where only the elite few will have any chance of or ‘right’ to a decent life. In this I support Chip Woods’ motto – “Keep some powder dry,” because friends, it looks like we’re going to need it.

    • denniso

      And the recent Supreme Court decision has essentially given corporations the same rights as a person…pretty amazing! The right hates gov’t but sees no ill w/ giant corporations. Most on the left see problems w/ both,and that they both need monitoring and regulation. The right is typically blissfully ignorant of any misdeeds by coporations…the ‘job creators’.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Peter,

      You write: “Bob Livingston himself displays a measure of this hypocrisy by supporting the right wing of politics almost without question, yet presenting a very solid and credible stream of articles AGAINST the power of corporate pharmaceuticals and others!”

      Please show me where I have supported the “right wing of politics without question.” I’m certain that that is not the case, as I question everything. If course, that would be difficult for you to know since it appears you only began posting today.

      You write: “In case nobody’s watching, pharmaceutical companies pay millions into the coffers of mainly the right wing of politics, to curry favor through policy lobbying.”

      That is simply not the case. The pharmaceuticals are equal opportunity lobbyists. Go here for an analysis I wrote in Feb. 2010: http://www.personalliberty.com/personal-liberty-articles/what-drives-the-elected-class-money/. It should also disabuse you of the notion that I display “a measure of hypocrisy.”

      I hope you aren’t as ignorant on other subjects when you engage discussions as you have demonstrated by your post here.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Peter

        Dear Bob, I do realise big pharma are equal opportunity funders and lobbyists, however it would be a very foolish person indeed who asserted they would equally prefer a left-wing government who may well try to follow other countries by introducing a taxpayer-funded social-pharmaceutical scheme.
        I have noticed you question a couple of things on the right, but when I take an overall view of my experience reading your articles since early 2010, it is very clear that you openly disagree with and malign the left on virtually every subject, and approve of the right wing of politics to such a large percentage the difference is insignificant.
        I do however enjoy reading all your articles and contributors except for Ben Crystal, who is just an ignorant boor in my opinion.

        • denniso

          There is no doubt that big biz favors the Repubs,and the Repubs essentially exist to do their bidding. We have a capitalistic economy and most of us know that we have to exist w/ big biz,but Dems strive to soften the blows to the people that can come from big biz,as well as realizing that business has no moral imperative so that it has to be a role of gov’t to watch and regulate biz. Whether it’s big pharma or big oil,they don’t have anyone’s interest at heart except theirs and their bottom line. The Repubs,and almost everything I read on this site, always support big biz unequivocally and attacks all things connected to the Dems.

  • Clarke Moffitt

    13 Oct ‘11

    To: Robert Ringer; PersonalLiberty.com

    Having noticed that the bankers have gotten the world’s attention it seems to me that it just might be time to get their attention.

    The following item came into my hands some time ago; source unknown.

    Believing it would upset too many harmless people for no apparent good it remained unused by me. In light of the present brouhaha that the world’s bankers have brought down upon themselves through their self-serving machinations against the world this might be the time to upset them in return; with an item such as this, for their own good.

    The unknown answer to the question of whether the good done to the world’s bankers would sufficiently outweigh the possible harm to the common people who might read it and then be loathe at any attempt to divine the item’s true intent, would be the principal caveat.

    ______________________________________

    “In Search of a Higher God”

    The historical quest to prove to all others that MY God is higher than your God

    An irrational theory to temporarily suffice when all other explanations are failing most miserably. It is presented not as truth but as a question: What is wrong with it and why? This theory is a natural extension of an old saw from ancient Egypt: ” I pray that my God is stronger that your God”; followed by a long litany of diabolical maledictions to illumine the consequences about to unfold from instigating ones opprobrium.
    ______________________________

    Inbreeding: This is Un-natural Selection which causes genetic rearrangements; some far too often damaging. Some sequestered detrimental genes can be retrieved from the prehistoric past displacing beneficial ones. Perhaps some of the medical problems the general population is experiencing now derives from long past inbreeding.

    Genetic damage is unlikely to be successfully corrected; can’t put the genie back into the bottle. Just try to turn dogs back into wolves. Due to the spread of genetic damage over tens of thousands of generations, more or less, (perhaps even far more) throughout all descendants of unnatural selection, the ability of our species to address this issue has been severely compromised. There may be small pockets of humans in the world to whom this damage has not spread to; – - – yet. These isolated groups are easily marginalized and their undamaged insights rendered impotent by those who are severely damaged. Perhaps marginalizing ones critics is what these damaged ones do best.

    Those rare few, most damaged but successfully functioning, are perhaps the most powerful ones in the world and therefore the most dangerous to our species survival. I call them Super Intelligent for this characteristic was the goal of their inbreeding. With them in charge our extinction is eventually guarantied. They may be few at any one time but they do attract a vast following which do their bidding without any remorse and can keep secrets without failure. By a process as yet unclear each generation of these superior ones are inculcated with the required knowledge from the prehistoric past without error. Grand designs are carried out over thousands of years unfailingly even if there should be gaps in the lines of descendants. Their support team needs be almost as good as the greatest ones from within the group, culture or tribe. Primogeniture doesn‘t work; some male first born are idiots. A good female will surely do when needed.

    Over the eons they have been busy fomenting great edifices such as pyramids, walls, tall cities, battle field accoutrements and fanatical belief systems. These activities are practiced by many cultures throughout the world. As of late they have been gleaning magnanimous rewards from something they invented or modified all by themselves called capitalism.

    First they make the rules to make their invention acceptable to a gullible world. Then they facilitate the run amuck narcotic known as avarice which incessantly masturbates the minds of the worshipers as they lose all sense of the impending doom as sure to follow as night the day. Then ever so gradually they remove the rules little by little so that, like the frog in a cauldron of slowly heating water, no one notices anything amiss. Those few who do are deemed by them to be insane.

    Through the acquisition of purloined property they are able to present their activities as so desirable that the rest of the world believes it would be wise to imitate them. The resultant greed is as great a threat as there ever was to our survival as species.

    They have so mind muddled us that we fail to comprehend their Shylocking almost all of the world into impending bankruptcy solely for their grandiose pleasure that goes far beyond mere mind masturbation. Their sublime pleasure is the fornication of the entire world. This is a pleasure not even the gods are capable of no matter how hard they may try. Their present goal is to screw the world since all the rest of humanity is lower, in their eyes, than sheep and ought to be treated as such by them. This is the will of their God which long, long ago was created by them in their own image.

    There is no such thing as “Too big to fail.” What has always existed is “Too Wealthy to be Prosecuted.” Now that they are too powerful they can commit high treason against all the world with impunity: Treason which they have camouflaged with a good as God phantasm called “Business Cycles”. As of late it is Allan Greenspan’s invisible hand that has been giving all the world the middle finger. I do not believe Adam Smith would have approved of this abuse of his theory.

    Anon

    The one with no brain;

    Preposterous Anonymous

  • Clarke Moffitt

    oThis is a correction: My e-mail address was misspelled at 8:34 this morning.

  • C. R.

    Note that most of these idiots are appearing in places of extreme liberalism where they know they will be “allowed” to spout their stupidities and will find others to back them and their lack of our country’s founding, Constitution and the fact that they wouldn’t have electronic devices, i.e., phones, laptops, cameras, etc. if not for those villainous corporations. Yes, I agree stockholders are stupid in allowing outrageous bonuses and that needs to be addressed. Our problems, however, are us, the citizens who sat back and allowed poor education, liberal teachers, and investors who needed to inform themselves first but didn’t and now whine. Wall Street is not the problem, Obama, his administration, and we are the problem and we must come back with the solution NOW!

  • http://AOL Nathan

    Ship of Fools! Capitalism is Dead and buried!

  • Diane Tayman

    I would LOVE to listen to what the Occupants of Wall Street are saying but groups that leave trash on earth are not worthy of my attention or interest. Ok, the Wall Street people do not have respect for rich people or big corporations, I get it. But to not have respect for the earth speaks volumes. I am not an environmentalist BUT I do not trust any human being who trashes the earth. I would never let anyone in my house or yard who throws trash on the ground because it shows hate and distain for life itself. The Tea Party people do not throw trash on the earth and the cities do not have to pay millions to clean up after them. So, therefore, I respected the Tea Party people and listened to their voices.

  • JonKemp

    Strange how the US-enemy-endorsed OWS refuses to hold the government accountable for enabling and assisting in the corruption. If it weren’t for our corrupt governments we might still have a decent country. Makes me believe OWS is nothing more than global government sponsored dupes.

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