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We Are All Terrorists Now

November 30, 2011 by  

We Are All Terrorists Now

The U.S. Senate is considering a bill (National Defense Authorization Act) that would designate the whole world, including U.S. territory, as a battlefield and subject American citizens in the United States to indefinite military detention without the benefit of trial and to attacks along the lines of the drone assassination of supposed terrorist Anwar al-Awlaki.

Many of you scoffed as right-thinking people noted with dread the consequences of President Barack Obama’s carte blanch “extrajudicial” murder of an American citizen based on the approval of a secret committee. If this bill is passed, then the Rubicon will have been crossed. America will have become a complete and possibly irreversible totalitarian military state.

Scoff again if you must, but do so at your own peril. Consider who the government designates as potential terrorists, according to its own missives: people who oppose Obama’s policies; people who stockpile food; people who oppose one-world government; Christians; military veterans returning from overseas engagements; people unhappy with the government’s actions at Waco, Texas, and Ruby Ridge, Idaho; and people opposed to gun control. The Department of Justice and FBI have even sent a form to military-surplus stores describing how to identify suspicious people and instructing them to watch for those who pay with cash; are missing fingers; have a strange smell; make bulk purchases of ammunition, meals ready to eat and flashlights; or who express a concern about privacy.

Coupled with recent news that police and military are now deploying drones over American cities, it’s easy to see — for those who care to look — exactly where we are headed. In the eyes of our government, we are all terrorists now and subject to permanent imprisonment or extermination.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • s c

    O touchy-feely, artsy-fartsy, tree-hugging, pat Mama Earth’s rump citizens of the world, here’s your chance to tell us how this scheme will make life in America (and around the world) SO MUCH BETTER that it’s a wonder no one ever thought of it before now.
    Either the world’s puppet masters are flexing their sweaty muscles again, or they’ve contacted the Senate and given them their latest marching orders.
    So how many of you, boys and girls, can see why Uncle Scam MUST do these things to make life “better” for us and make those ‘bad’ people start looking over their shoulders?
    Come on, you Big Brother lovin,’ government just can’t be big enough fans, you can’t hold back on this issue. The temptation of being part of a group with so much power and control should have you drooling.
    Lay it on us, folks. Tell us how this is the final transitional phase before the world will finally get that dose of much-needed comeuppance it’s needed for SO LONG. FEEL the power. Savor the flavor of COMPLETE KONTROL. LOVE THE Fuhrer!

    • Flashy

      1. The comment on the drones. Not exactly true. the FAA is drawing up rules and guidelines for the use of drones for industries such as Agriculture, gas and oil pipeline, railroads, etc inspections and monitoring, air emissions testing, traffic monitoring etc. yes, drones can and probably will be used for police … but again, it’s what the GOP was screaming for since 9/11 and the “lead by fear” then GOP administration.

      The right cheered when the Patriot Act was passed…oh how I remember my opposition was denigrated as being “anti American’… and anyone who dared warn about the police powers it granted was castigated and decried. Well…ya got what ya asked for …

      As for the Senate bll mentioned. Who introduced it? Where is it sitting right now? Who are the sponsors? I know, I know. Minor issues …lol

      Finally, the “murder” of a US citizen. Would this be the nutjob in Yemen who was indicted, charges leveled, he was notified and refused to even hire an attorney to deny any charges etc. Who lived in the ME for several eyars and who published videos and rantings against Americans and the US urging terrorist acts? Funny how that may be the current cry…when the arrest and refusal to arraign Padilla was excused as he was held incognito for several years during the Bush administration.

      So y’all think Romney with his corporatist controllers will do us better?

      • pj

        Someone makes a statement,”I think this is wrong.”
        Typical liberal reply, “Well, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush.” It doesn’t matter who does it, wrong is wrong. “Spending is too high”. “Well, Bush, Bush, Bush”. “We shouldn’t have bailed out the car companies”. “Well, Bush, Bush, Bush”. “We shouldn’t have pressed that red button”. “Well, Bush, Bush, Bush”. It would be nice if we could quit being drones and look for a real solution instead of sticking to partisan politics at all costs.

        • Flashy

          hit a sore spot eh? if you sit back and comprehend, my pointing out that the Right denigrated those who were screaming about the patriot Act etc back then, and are now painting the canvas with warnings about Obama…as if he had anything to do with the travesty … IS partisan politics. Pretty much most of what everyone bashes Obama on can be laid at the feet of the GOP. Health care…supported by most of the GOP UP TO the time it was pushed by Obama. The auto bailout…now that the jobs are back, notice how many GOP Reps are crowding to the front to take credit? Same with infrastructure projects? Obama snuffed bin Laden, took on terrorists everywhere…and where now are those who supported similar tactics when Bush ran the show leading via fear?

          Pertisan policis? Look no further than the remiander of this thread and the other posters. Now there is partisan politics ignoring reality …

          • pj

            Thanks for proving my point. Easier to point fingers than admit wrong.

          • Eric

            I would strongly suggest you stop listening to mainstream media.

          • 2WarAbnVet

            Nonsense! Those who “screamed about the Patriot Act”, and protested everything Republicans did, now passively accept – and indeed cheer for – all forms of tyranny the Dems propose.

          • Flashy

            PJ, Eric, 2War…Where in my writing above did i state i support the provision as cited in the article? I was merely pointing out that those who prtest now…were silent when the usurption of our Rights, freedoms and liberies were underway.

            I very much doubt the provisions…or the Patriot Act found much support amongst the Liberal corwd. I know in the Moderates, there was little support…and much fear because that was the way the Constitution was attacked…via fear.

            Fact is….the Right was the most vocal in attacking our liberties during the Bush Admin. The Right was quick to denigrate anyone who dared voice opposition. No one here is staing support for either the Patriot Act nor this provision as detailed in the article. i am seeing more than a few calling the Right out on their current voicing of evil..when they praised such prior to this administration taking office.

            Fact is fact.

          • eddie47d

            Since Republicans and Democrats are two heads on the same coin all this rancor doesn’t really make much difference. Flashy did hit a sore spot and too many of you are still blaming Obama for things that Bush did. So there is not a darn one of you who really care about the truth. Neither Bush or Obama walks on water so suck up the reality of each and learn to accept their faults and then deal with it.

          • independent thinker

            Flashy………You know not of what you speak. Many concervatives including myself expressed concerns with then opposed the un-patriot act. Not only did we protest the original act but we foresaw the possibility for abuse of it in the future and the expansion of it as has happened under obama. You blame concervatives for the act but the fact of the matter is it had the support of many liberals as well or it would not have passed.

          • Rayma Dorsa

            You got to be kidding, you really believe Obama snuffed out the life of Ben Laden? Ben Laden died several years ago with kidney failure.Obama hasn’t done anything but along with the Bushes,hang at the end of a string and dance to the tune of the Big Bankers and One World eletes,Obama is in for the long haul to destroy America…WAKE UP AMERICA!Being DEMOCRAT means you are voting away your rights and voting in SOCIALISM, which never worked for the PEOPLE,the only ones it works for is the ones running it, you are going to be thier slaves and they are your “masters”

          • Old Henry

            Flashy:

            Watch the link I posted below. Listen to RINO Mc Cain. The traitorous Republicans supprted this fascist legislation. They are all a disgusting ot.

          • Old Henry

            eddie:

            I think I would say they are two heads on the same snake.

          • Kate8

            Old H – It was always intended to be that way. In fact, it is portrayed on one of the (Masonic) national seals, the two-headed phoenix (eagle).

            http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/symbology/2o5.htm

          • http:ASATEENANDYOUNGADULT, ITHOUGHTITSHEERNONSENSETHATMYBELOVED LAND--CLASPINGTHEHANDOFGOD--COULDEVERSLIPFROMHERSINGULAR,SHININGPEDESTALOFTHEPRIME SAVIOROFOURWORLDFROMTHEAXISPOWERS--THENATIONCARRYI RAYMOND HARBIN

            “The jobs are back…” ???

            Do you live in a cave… an abandoned coalmine…or is your only interest in news from Pluto or Neptune????

            Stay where you are and keep your head down– some of those 16,000.000 currently jobless, may become so enraged at your criminal stupidity that they will come after you!!!

          • Brian

            Health care…supported by most of the GOP UP TO the time it was pushed by Obama.

            AND that is why most of the Republicans except Ron Paul are bad for this country as are all the Democrats…!

          • eddie47d

            It’s what is politically convenient at the time and so far Paul and Huntsman are the only two candidates that are shooting straight.

          • patrick H.T. paine

            ” To conquer, first DIVIDE!”

            I am putting this here because it has a chance of being read and in
            the land of Livingston SHOP, maybe even comprehended? ( very low expectation of this latter result. )

            Does ANYONE HERE……..SUPPORT the “patriot act”?

            If the answer is NO, then the dialog to this point is essentially pointless. Yet I am pretty sure that the nature of the nonsense following THIS post…..will continue this nonsense.

            I think ( and this could just be ME ) that an intelligent and reasoned
            solution to any area of disagreement usually has a better chance of success, if one can establish “common ground”.

            Someone posted a reply to me recently, saying that ( paraphrasing here ) that my posts would have a chance of being received better,
            if I didn’t present myself as intellectually superior…..but since my goal is seeking potential solutions and dispelling ignorance be it
            willful or otherwise, in order to prevent the ABUSE OF POWER which
            can not succeed without it, I really don’t have the luxury of being concerned about my sensitivity or your’s….and you will either respond with something relevant or you will not.

            Now my question is, since I’m fairly certain that there will be no
            cogent defense or even agreement with the “patriot act” ( btw the gentlemen that offered the previous advice, also commented that his suggestion was grounded in the fact that I was talking to “patriots” )
            I ( and again this could just be ME ) am curious as to what point everything that has preceded this, as well as what follows, is being made here?

            How would you “intellectual dynamo’s” define the inability to recognise “common ground”?

            How would you define “refusal”?

            “Do not ask for whom the bell tolls……..”

          • Kate8

            Patrick – I’d really be interested in what you have to say, but it would be helpful if you would just say it straight out, in regular English, rather than that of a bygone era.

            Make it simple for us. There are a lot of comments here, and we just won’t spend too much time on ones that require too much effort.

            But maybe that’s just me.

          • Vicki

            I did not like and specifically wrote and complained to my representatives about the patriot act from the very beginning. Over the years both administrations have added to it. This new threat is entirely on Obama’s watch so why are we still blaming bush?

            in the meantime go to https://secure.downsizedc.org/etp/not-afraid/

            And tell Congress we have already won the war on terror.

          • libertytrain

            Kate – whatever content it has is lost somewhere within the puffed out chest.

          • Mary

            We have two types of Tyrants. The Republicans and the Democrats. The only difference is Who’s more corrupt? We are in the point of no return in this country. We are just jumping here. It doesn’t matter anymore period.

      • http://heisco.net Patriot II

        Flashy,

        Where do you get your information from to form your opinions?

        • Flashy

          What information ar you referring to in particular? Depends upon the point being made…

          • http://heisco.net Patriot II

            Flashy, Give me an example of a source you pick

      • Dexter

        The sponsers Are Levin[D]and MC cain[R]

      • Jedi

        The Bill is S.1867 under sections 1031 & 1032.

      • Fixyourself

        Hope to meet you in the Gulag Flashey – you don’t need to be blind to be contrary. Look at what IS happening, a letter was signed, and an American citizen was assinated … yes he was a nut job … kinda how I see you … don’t worry about that buzz overhead…

        Don’t help the country die just becasue you are a Liberal — they will turn on you when they have enough control.

    • wandamurline

      They are already stomping on the 4th and 14th Amendments of the Constitution at the airports every day. Every criminal in America prior to being searches, the police must have probable cause, to seize and examine their belongings, they must have a warrant, they must mirandize him and he has the right to legal counsel. TSA can pluck you from a line without probable cause, search your belongings and confiscate your belongings without a warrant, without mirandizing and without your right to legal counsel. People wake up, do not continue to be sheeple, don’t listen to the government saysing “we’re just trying to keep you safe”….that is bull….this is a test to see how much of your freedoms you will give up in order to “feel safe”, because believe me if a terrorists wants to take down a plane, he will figure out how to do it no matter how much you get groped or radiated. The Patriot Act needs to be abolished. If we don’t stand together, we will become Austria during Hitler’s reign. Get yourself a copy of a history book and read what happened to them…it is not good.

      • Old Henry

        Yep Wanda, but get your history book at a used book store and make sure it is a very old copy.

      • Kate8

        Wandamurline and Old H – Does anyone remember when this little warning came out a few years back?

        Is it not all proceeding according to plan?

        This is a serious reminder of where this government has been taking us for a long time, bit by bit. Congress was given the plan, and they’ve stuck to it.

        http://dprogram.net/2008/05/21/as-america-collapses-us-government-secret-plans-revealed/

    • Old Henry

      Jeep:

      In response to your reply on Monday to Kate8′s post about S1867.

      http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/5894.html

      It appears we many, many more facsists in Congress than we wee aware of.

      • independent thinker

        Old Henery…..In response to your question about pressure cookers Monday, the new Mother Earth News (December/January issue) has an excellent article on them.

      • Kate8

        Old H – Every time Congress passes a new law or the POTUS issues an EO, we are assured that it is for our own protection and not to worry. Those who raise eyebrows are scoffed at and called fear mongers.

        Yet, invariably, it isn’t long before that same law starts becoming the basis for the persecution of US citizens, which was always the intent, anyway. Our government has declared war on the People and, until more of us get that, we’ll just keep bowing down to the increasing oppression and tyranny.

        Can anyone really believe that drones will only seek out Al Qaeda, or that innocent Americans will never be detained? Maybe even disappear?

        When are we, en masse, going to stand up to this government and refuse to accept this nonsense? After all, in America it is the PEOPLE who are supposed to be sovereign, not the government. How can we be obliged to obey laws that are violations of our Supreme Law?

        Congress has become an out of control beast. With every new piece of ridiculous legislation, we are several steps closer to having NO rights, NO freedoms…

        It is government, working on behalf of the NWO elites, who are the true terrorists. They control us by keeping us afraid of everything from foreign jihadists to the food on our tables. With the media working for them, they can tell us anything and we’ll believe it, because it was “in the news”.

        I’ll say it again: the war is on our minds. Psy-ops is their biggest and most effective weapon. They don’t need to have any real force of power, as long as we believe that they do. And the longer we believe it, the more time they have to get the system fine-tuned before they spring it on us.

        Ya gotta wonder what they’re waiting for.

        • Vicki

          Time to read the Declaration of Independence again. Pay close attention to the list of reasons:

          http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html

          The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

          When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

          We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.–Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

          He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
          He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
          He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
          He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
          He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
          He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
          He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
          He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
          He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
          He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
          He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
          He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
          He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
          For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
          For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
          For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
          For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
          For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
          For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
          For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
          For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
          For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
          He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
          He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
          He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
          He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
          He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

          In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

          Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

          We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
          ————————————————–

          Semper Fi.

    • dennis

      If a drone gets rid of a few of you morons, so be it.

      • Vicki

        Murder most foul. So dennis, should it come to our attention that you are the target and we are in a position to stop it, do you really want us thinking of you that way?

    • Lee Baldwin

      Aye, Adolf’s Mein Kamph lays this all out in detail. I find it amazing the democRATS can read it and understand it enough to try to enact it upon people that still own firearms.
      the answer: 7.62 NATO, 600 rds per minute. Come try your best.

    • talkinbout

      From what I’ve seen and heard, both the left and the right are against this bill.

      On a related note, about a week or so ago someone on this site posted a link to a site that showed a “No Constitution” zone around all the borders of the U.S. Does anyone have any more info on that? Can that be true, that if you live within, say a hundred or so miles of the coast or the borders of Mexico or Canada we no longer have any Constitutional rights. If that’s true, who put that in place and why wasn’t it a big story on the news? Is that part of the Patriot act? If it is, can someone point to the section where that can be found? Sounds like something totalitarian governments would do. “May I see your papers, please”.

      Both the left and the right complain about losing constutional freedoms. It might be a good thing for both to unite to fight on this issue.

      • Hanna M Jones

        Yes the 100 mile watch zone is in place and there are drones patroling it now with very sensitive visual capacity from 1000′s of feet above. This drone can see and identify persons standing on the ground. They are permitted to fly at but not over the US/CDN border. This is a travesty of “friendship” and another example of idiot paranoia by the PTB in the US.

        So far, according to a recent video, the visual sightings have no resulted in the apprehension of any illegal border crossing.
        I wonder if evbery boat crossing an international lake is monitored? there are enough lakes and rivers on the border to keep da BOYZ busy.

        • talkinbout

          Wow, yeah, I googled it and couldn’t believe that this was not all over the news or, at least, the talk shows. Plenty of links came up and I have only had time to check one or two of them. I still am not sure if this is part of the Patriot Act or if ir was instituted seperately by Homeland Security. I’m also really surprised that I haven’t heard more about this on this site since there are so many posters complaining about our loss constitutional rights and freedoms. Hell, this would be a great example of that.

          I didn’t find any examples of police abusing it yet but just the idea of being a U.S. citizen without any Constitutional rights is scary. Has it resulted in any terrorists caught yet.

  • Tom

    This kind of mad man Obama government worries the hell out of me……..

    • Old Henry

      Seig Heil Tom.

  • Al Sieber

    They’ll be rounding us up next.

    • tony

      What ever happened to “NEVER AGAIN”

      • Kate8

        tony – We now have an entire youth population who don’t know “it” ever happened in the first place. If they have ever heard of it, they are taught that it’s a lie.

        Many younger people, shockingly, have never heard of Hitler. Others don’t think he was a bad guy, and that he didn’t kill people.

        History unlearned is history repeated. Rewriting history has always been a tool of those who work to conquer.

    • eddie47d

      That is rather surprising to hear Al say “they will be rounding us up”. You all need to go back and read your comments and the vile language used to attack OWS protesters. Even when protesters were calmly sitting or standing you cheered on the police state in spraying and beating them. You rounded them up like so much cattle and thought that was great. Well your demand for “law and order” is very telling in what you would do in imprisoning the populace. To hell with free speech and assembly as long as you can beat the protesters down. Sadly you are getting the gulag you say you don’t want and you all want to be the prison guards.

      • Vicki

        The only calmly sittting or standing protesters I ever saw were the ones who had bothered to get permits. Who stayed in the area they said they would. Who didn’t stay for weeks. Who didn’t block traffic, Who didn’t shout down opponents. Who didn’t beat up opponents. Who didn’t wreck havoc.

        The Tea Party Protesters.

  • Ken Howes

    You undermined your point by making the Awlaki case part of your argument. Awlaki had left the US and was a commander in a war against the United States.

    The operative historical precedent is in the spring of 1864. Leonidas Polk was the Episcopal Bishop of Louisiana, a West Point grad, and a US citizen. He was also a Lieutenant General in the Confederate Army, commanding a corps in a war against the United States.

    Captain Hubert Dilger, perhaps the greatest artillerist in the Union Army, a mile away, spotted a Confederate headquarters tent, with flags and high-ranking officers, through his binoculars. “Just let me tickle them a little,” he said. He aimed a 20-lb Parrott gun at the location he had spotted and fired. The shell struck Gen. Polk directly in the head, killing him instantly.

    Anwar al-Awlaki was entitled to all the due process General Polk got. And that’s generous, because Gen. Polk was doubtless a much better man than al-Awlaki.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Ken Howes,

      al-Awlaki’s guilt or innocence was not established in a court, and all you have to go on that he was a terrorist is the word of the government and its propaganda arm, the corporate media. You shouldn’t be so cavalier about accepting the word of the criminal government.

      As to the assassination of Gen. Polk, that was also an illegal act by the U.S. government as was the entirety of the North’s (aka the Union’s) aggressive posture and attacks following the secession of the Southern States.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • http://personalliberty,com 1911man

    this shows that both parties are corrupt and want to destroy the America we know and the constitution. The bill was passed out of committe in a secret closed door meeting and mccain was one of the writers, the other was a dem but I can’t recall his name at this time.This will usurp the constitution and the bill of rights, and civil rights will no longer exist. call your senators now and demand they vote no on this bill, or at least support the Udall amendment to this bill that gives congressional oversight to its implementation, prepare people, things are looking bad for America.

    • Lastmanstanding

      Carl or Sander Levin…doesn’t matter both are self-proclaimed communists…

      Things ARE bad in America…here is my prediction…if barry gets re-elected, he will initiate a full throttle assault on the 2nd Amendment. He has been quiet so far because he knows what happened to the previous progs clinton/gore.

      mcain is a prog…when will people realize that d and r are the same.

      • Shyguy2011

        Lastman- You are so right about both parties. When people talk about the Left & the Right, it just matches up with the marching orders the politicians have been getting for about 100 years. It is too late to go back to the original Constitution. We need a new and better set of rules & regulations to reduce the propensity of criminal elements in the government. I am too old and not smart enough to get it done. Hopefully, there are some smart and honest young bucks to get started to correct the problems.

    • Sirian

      I agree, yet there are so many people that are totally oblivious to what’s happening. People best start opening their eyes and ears and pounding on all phone lines and e-mails of both the House & Senate. If those two aren’t the true epitome of corruption in full light I don’t know what is. If this bill does quietly slide through and is signed by our narcissistic president, well, lock and load folks, things could get really nasty.

  • KDOG

    Obama, has threaten to veto this bi-partisan bill but look who authored the bill.

    • Doc Sarvis

      John McCain was ones who drafted this language in Senate bill 1867. Those opposing it include the much maligned ACLU.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Should have started out – “John McCain was one of the ones…”

      • http://heisco.net Patriot II

        Doc, blaming a Liberla Republican like McCain is counter productive.

        Does the mistakes that McCain made make it justifiable to support Marxism? (Obama)

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Doc Sarvis,

        You are correct: McCain and Carl Levin. It’s not surprising that either would support such a measure.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

        • Doc Sarvis

          Thanks, I’m also right about the ACLU.

          • Dennis48e

            Even that bunch of nuts gets it right once in a very great while.

        • pj

          Agreed. This is the point that many unfortunately don’t get. Big government types exist on both sides of the aisle. We must oppose and weed them out at every opportunity. There is no compromise among these types, they are on the same path. Constitutional government is the key.

  • Monte

    I discovered an interesting video that fits really well with this subject:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NU3IJNzqJg&feature=share

    We live in extermely dangerous times, with only liars and crooks for leaders.

    • http://na Jim

      I took a look at that video and it was pretty good. But I think the most poinient part was the very beginning referencing the Roman Empire and the roadside warning sign caption reading “Point of no return”. Thats where I think were at.

    • Kate8

      Monte – Great video. I’ll pass that one on.

      Americans haven’t always been spoiled children. Americans used to be the strongest, brightest and most innovative. Not to mention the most charitable and caring.

      It was carefully planned to make us the people we’ve become, convincing us that we are to depend on government for everything, that it exists to be a sugar-daddy rather than to protect us from our enemies so we can be free to pursue life in safety from enemy attack. Now, it is government who IS our enemy, and who attacks us on every front, insuring that we are stymied from pursuing excellence.

      Even now, as our government has us sold out to world corporate interests, we continue to look to them for answers. Well, they have one, but we aren’t going to like it. But, if we keep depending on THEM to come up with a solution, we will be too tired, sick, beaten and hungry to argue with them.

      Why not come up with our own solutions? Forget government. Sure, they’ve regulated us to the point where we CAN’T operate WITHIN the system, but hey…let’s come up with our own system. After all, money is what we all agree it is. BigBro will say it’s a chip. What do WE say?

      Do we still have any of the pioneer spirit within us? Where is that rugged, American, CAN DO attitude?

      We need to stop giving away all of our power, waiting for the elite to come up with answers. THEY ARE THE PROBLEM. And their solutions will benefit themselves only, becuause they are afraid that we will recognize that they’ve been setting us up all along.

      BTW, this means also learning to care for our own health, because the medical system is rapidly becoming another weapon against us.

  • hwoodjr

    Take a look at the following section of SB 1867:

    SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.

    (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
    (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
    (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear hwoodjr,

      According to Representative Justin Amash: “The President should not have the authority to determine whether the Constitution applies to you, no matter what the allegations,” Amash said. “Please urge your Senators to oppose these outrageous provisions.”

      Although the bill says “the requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States,” Amash said the language is “carefully crafted to mislead the public.

      “Note that it does not preclude U.S. citizens from being detained indefinitely, without charge or trial, it simply makes such detention discretionary,” he wrote. Full article here: http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2011/11/us_rep_justin_amash_opposes_de.html

      Senators Rand Paul and Mark Udall have tried getting the bill amended to remove or alter the language. The ACLU is also fighting it.

      Plus, you have a major U.S. Presidential candidate (Newt Gingrich) who advocates stripping Americans of citizenship if they speak out against the government and a President who shown he has no qualms about murdering U.S. citizens without trial.

      The same people who once said the Patriot Act will be used only against terrorists are now telling you that this bill will only apply to terrorists. Bah! This is a fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me, scenario. I wasn’t fooled the first time and I won’t be this time either.

      This bill also overturns 133 years of precedent of the posse comitatus act.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Flashy

        As an aside….note the path teh bill has to travel. Also note that the Senate, Congress, nor the WH can override the Constitution. Now..if y’all are suggesting a bill as described in the article will make it through the Congress, the WH AND survive a SCOTUS decision… with the current make up of the SCOTUS being one sided in favor of the corporate and wealthy elite .. we may have a discussion.

        • pj

          Sure, and ObamaCare will never pass. If it does, the courts will throw it out as unconstitutional. /sarcasm off

          • Vicki

            A lot of people could die while waiting on a SCOTUS challenge. And since the people who have “standing” will be “dissappeared” it will be a really long wait.

            Best we stop the bill before it becomes law.

        • Flashy

          I criticize the Health Care reform because it has the mandate to have insurance…but doesn’t have the public option. Soon, if we are fotunate, we’ll have the public option and the cost of health care will begin to stablize or perhaps even begin going down.

          BTW…the health care reform is constitutional…now we have to concentrate and push for the public option !

          • talkinbout

            I believe the “mandate” was put into the bill because of the provision that health companies can’t turn you away because of pre-condition. Without the “mandate” people would just wait until they are sick before they buy health insurance and that would put the insurance compnies out of business.

    • Stryder

      Whereas, we the people agree that;
      1. The actions of our avowed enemies on 9/11/01 were the “Pearl Harbor” of our time, and
      2. The President’s first responsibility is to American citizens in America and abroad, and
      3. America’s enemies are, and will always be, a threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States, and
      4. The President HAS authority under the Constitution to take action to deter and prevent acts of INTERNATIONAL terrorism against the United States.
      HOWEVER, We the people shall NOT allow the President the authority to use force contrary to the Constitution of The United States of America against American citizens on American soil.

      • Flashy

        I refuse to acknowledge that an act on 9/11 by thugs and criminals who slipped through law enforcement because of negligence and incompetence of the then current Administration was anything more than a criminal act by thugs and criminals. It was not, and should never be held up as, akin to Pearl Harbor.

        • Stryder

          Flashy,
          The only comparison is that;
          1. we were attacked.
          2. our government ignored the warning signs or didn’t have good intel.
          3. a LOT of good Americans died.

    • former walmart person

      Notice the word “requirment”. There is no REQUIREMENT to detain citizens and lawful resident aliens in the US indefinetely. Notice that the word REQUIRMENT doesn’t necessarily mean they CAN’T. There is no requirement for me to go out and buy a house. But I can if I choose. Similarily, they don’t have to indefinetely detain citicens but they CAN.

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLIniois

    Crock of crap.

    • Alex

      Do you think these things up overnight, sean? Such insight….

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear sean murrey ILLIniois,

      Thanks for your cogent rebuttal.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • mjnellett

    First of all, Big Government has to disarm us freedom loving citizens. Second, the members of the military have sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution against ALL enemies foreign and domestic. That means a CORRUPT federal government including the President of the United States. Obama needs to go along with his Thugocracy and ALL the SOCIALIST PROGRESSIVES where ever they are found. I am not going to sit back and watch this country get sold down the proverbial communist toilet.America is too important a country to allow a bunch of SOCIALIST PROGRESSIVES to take her down. November 2012 is coming folks and that’s the beginning of the end for Obama!

    • Alex

      The Capitalists sold this country to China years ago, silly!
      How smart was Lenin when he predicted that the Capitalists would sell the rope with which Communism would hang them! HAA!!

      Sure, the horrible Soviet Union is gone, but once this wretched cesspool of violence and gluttony called the White Estates of Amerikkka bites the Big One, REAL Socialism will have a fighting chance.

      Listen, don’t cry too much. All empires eventually fall. The Evil ones, like us, just fall with a much louder thud. When greed and power are stretched beyond reasonably sustainable borders, as this cathouse country has clearly done, well things just collapse.

      Rather than Bless this mess, God is surely preparing to help Goodness fight back. I won’t say that God necessarily ‘hates’ America, but as the Reverend Dr Martin Luther King Jr said while denouncing our baby-killing invasion of Vietnam, “God has a way of saying, ‘America, you’re too arrogant!”

      On this, as on most things, Dr King was right.

      • Monte

        King was a communist and a liar. But I repeat myself.

      • http://heisco.net Patriot II

        Alex, the Liberal Government creating over Reulations to appease the Environmentalists, combined with the extortion of the unions, yes motiviated Capitalist to invest in factories over seas.

        Tell me how blaming only the capitalist for this is not Blind thinking?

        It is Greed, and the Love of money ON ALL PARTS that Christ warned against, it is Sin to blame.. Sin in this world is why we are where we are. Anti-Christianity is the problem. The Judge will come and all who worship worldy things over God will perish, and I pray he comes soon.!

        • eddie47d

          There may be a few overzealous environmentalists but over all they are trying to protect the earth that God gave us. The destroyers of this planet can only do so much damage before God revolts and brings his wrath down upon them. There is a clear difference between using the resources of the earth for the common good and mankind’s survival and deliberately abusing (polluting) it for profit.

          • http://heisco.net Patriot II

            eddie;

            I beleive you are stuck in the 60′s where Corporations did not care about the environement. The all do now! Tell me why is Anwar not allowed to drill.

            Makes no sense, that is the kind of environmentalist Harm I am speaking about.

          • eddie47d

            Because it is a National Preserve and serves other purposes also. (Native population and wildlife).Shipping should stay out of that region because clean up would be even more disastrous than in the Gulf. If Anwar is ever opened up the oil should be sent down the existing pipeline towards Anchorage.That would be hard to swallow too but a little safer.

      • Stryder

        Alex,
        You are EXACTLY what my forefathers and I fought in every American war for. How many Americans DIED to insure your right to spout ANTI-AMERICAN BS like that? I am PROUD to have fought in Viet Nam to defend YOUR right of free speech, so now you and your ilk can endure mine.
        1. This is AMERICA. If you hate it that much, go ANYPLACE in the world and criticize the country on which you landed. (good luck surviving)
        2. You might want to study history. Socialism in Germany resulted in the death of how many innocents in the death camps? Socialism in Russia resulted in how many deaths of innocents in Siberia? Socialism in China STILL results in FEMALE babies being killed every day. A fighting chance? Socialism will NEVER have a fighting chance with anyone who is willing to fight back. Germany, Russia and China had ALL the weapons and the people had none.
        3. How DARE you bring God into your statement? Don’t you KNOW that it is politically incorrect to even mention HIS name? Isn’t the Socialist agenda to totally get rid of God in every aspect of free speech?
        Now, you little butt-gasser, go vent your filth someplace else.
        Have a nice day
        Semper Fi

        • eddie47d

          Religion and God are brought up all the time Stryder. Are you the censorship police? Since capitalism forged a relationship with China and we became more indebted to them because of it (as Alex said)you sir are the one that is off base.

          • Stryder

            I stand corrected, Eddie
            I realize that if an American who respects God cannot mention HIS name, but the Socialists seeks to eliminate Him, we are “Censorship Police”.
            Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
            Now go back and re-read what I said.
            have a nice day
            Semper Fi

          • UnrepentantCurmudgeon

            Yes, Alex is right that we have sold our economy to China. But then, even a broken clock is right twice a day. The rest of his bilious bilge is a total waste of bandwidth.

        • TruckinJarheadRetired

          OOH-RAH Stryder,from one old Jarhead to another,you are spot on my friend.

          Semper Fi

          • Alex

            You guys and and your silly “Semper Fi” thing—-everytime I went through Oceanside, I thought that Semper Fi was a gay pick-up line, what with all the Camp Pendleton jarheads in their little matching outfits like a little girls’ tea party!

          • libertytrain

            Poor Alex -

      • Ret

        Now, we’re selling the military to China. What the F*** is wrong with these people who are ruining the govt. Can’t say running the govt.

        HR 1540 The National Defense Authorization Act:
        1234 – Waives the Prohibition of buying military goods from China “if goods are critical to the DOD needs and are otherwise unavailable.
        I’ve just read the whole thing, makes me want to vomit.
        1231 – Prohibits military operations in Libya.
        Hmmm…

      • John Vossler

        DO NOT call him “Dr.” it has been admitted by the college that he plagiarized his doctoral thesis.

  • Zed

    Referring to “a bill” isn’t at all helpful-except to promote fear and anger. We can’t even try to take action against “a bill.” Tell us WHICH bill you’re referring to.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Zed,

      Thanks for pointing out my error. It is the National Defense Authorization Act and is currently under discussion in the U.S. Senate, which voted down an amendment to clarify the language in Section 1031, which is the section that is the most egregious. The article has been corrected.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

    • http://personalliberty,com 1911man

      S. 1867, The national defense authorization act bill.

    • former walmart person

      2 seconds in google and you can probably find the answer.

  • Alex

    After allowing 911 to happen because they were asleep at the wheel, the Bush/Cheney Regime oversaw not a reduction in worldwide terror but its exact oposite. Shame on you neo-conartists!

  • John Waisanen

    Testing testin testing 1234;I have been unable to post and my e-mail gets deleted.Testing for censorship!!

  • wally stewart

    -can y’all say GEORGE SOROS

  • http://heisco.net Patriot II

    Yup! One-World-Order, they help create the conflict so they can gain an Iron Fist.

  • former walmart person

    So does this bill effectively leaglize a military coup? Since the real civilian criminals are on capital hill, I guess the military and police can just arrest and indefientely detain members of CONgress and the SINet since they are far worse criminal “terrorists” then us average joes and jills.

  • Realist

    All your base are belong to us!

  • http://personalliberty,com 1911man

    Those who would give up freedom for a little security deserve neither. Ben Franklin.

  • DH

    McCain should be drummed out of the legislature for coming up with this one. This is one of the scariest propositions that has come out of this congress in decades. Anyonewho voted for this ought to be given a plane ticket to Russia or China.

  • Thomas B

    They’re anticipating our rebellion to their communist planned dictatorship. We will of course be too much for them to handle. I’ll bet obama will become dead somehow within a few months anyway. Progressives always seem to self destruct and this world takeover will probably wind up with a lot of the big thugs warring with each other over power and killing each other off. A likely scenario, like a banana republic on steroids.

  • sybucket

    I’d like to point out that just because the Senate votes out a bill, does not mean the House will go along with it. I suspect that this bill will die it’s much deserved death in the House

    • http://personalliberty,com 1911man

      The house has already passed H.R. 1540, but I haven’t found any language like this in it, yet, although i haven’t read all of it as of yet because it is a lengthy bill. I would surmize that there will have to be a comprimize bill with the senate after they pass their version, so who knows what a final version will contain.

  • Angel Wannabe

    “Consider who the government designates as potential terrorists, according to its own missives: people who oppose Obama’s policies; people who stockpile food; people who oppose one-world government; Christians; military veterans returning from overseas engagements; people unhappy with the government’s actions at Waco, Texas, and Ruby Ridge, Idaho; and people opposed to gun control. The Department of Justice and FBI have even sent a form to military-surplus stores describing how to identify suspicious people and instructing them to watch for those who pay with cash; are missing fingers; have a strange smell; make bulk purchases of ammunition, meals ready to eat and flashlights; or who express a concern about privacy.”

    Well quite Frankly Bob, I’m all of the above, except missing fingers!
    I could care less if the GUV thinks I’m a terrorist or not. As long as I don’t carry an AK, while shopping for my ready to eat meals & my Ammo, I guess I’m safe__The Idiots!

  • Bruce

    For any of you who wish to get with the program here are a two links that will grow your brains. Please llok at all the other feeds by both of these Guys.
    The Truth is what it is, learn it or not, its your call.

    #1, Bill Foust’s work

    http://www.youtube.co,/watch?v=XPkauG6qE8k&feat

    Watch all of Bill’s feeds to get the BIGGER picture, you may learn something about your nation as well why I keep harping on the 14th Amendment.

    #2, Mark Hafner, watch all his youtube feeds.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdnmOFZ3Vj8&feat

    I can only hope that most of you will please get with the program very soon, as TIME is running out fast. When they take away the Internet its all over, of what by the way the noted Senate bill S 1867 has that in it, its all rotten to the core the bill needs to be stopped.

    Just for the record, GOD will not save you if you don’t try and save yourself, so stop already with that rhetoric its just plain worthless.
    Do something positive, of what all these feeds will provide you aid on how to fix the problem, as in all of them.

    Its quite obvious who the mindless blowhards all are. I beg you all to Please Stop wasting time on them! Time is short and we still have an open window to fix all the wrongs.

    So will you help your grandkids to live a life of FREEDOM or will you let them be slaves? Your call.

  • Big Red

    Poor Flashy, he’d still vote for obummer even tho he knows we’re heading down the road to ruin. He undoubtedly flies a hammer and sickle over his tent.

    • eddie47d

      Since Flashy pointed out the errors of the Patriot Act that must mean you support it. Maybe you have the nazi flag flying over your tent.

  • Big Woody

    Once you are accused and or charged, you lose your status of “lawful resident” We already have laws that forbid the active military from operating in the U.S. If Levin is has a problem with the Arabs in Dearborn, Mi. or McCain has fears from the Mexicans in Arizona, I suggest they call the FBI or their state police. Do not turn the military loose on the American citizens. Remember the Patriot Act was not just a Bush agenda item. It was copied from the “Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995″ a Joe Biden authored bill. Both parties are doing everything they can to destroy the Constitution and take our rights. Contact all your Congressmen and let them know that the Tea Party and OWS are fed up and watching. 2012 is the time to clean house of the corruption in D.C.

  • http://www.catherinejfrompovich.com DumbStruck

    Time for the SECOND Declaration of Independence, I think.

  • Raggs

    I’m going to bring something up that some of your may have forgot about…
    If you remember back when oblama was campaigning he stated that he wanted a civilian force equal to our military with all of the bells and whistles… He will have it with the Drones and S-1867…

  • rawdibob

    Should Obama be allowed to execute an American without a trial?

    • Big Woody

      He already did. They deserved it. But what if they take over and say we deserve it? And who is to say that any one of the cadidates are not “THEY”? Obama and Bush are not what they represented themselves to be.

      • former walmart person

        Do you realize that Anwar Al waki or however you spell his name secretely dined at the Pentagon around 911? This was a footnote in the mainstream news. You can search for the article and find it. I am not so convinced that he was guilty of conducting 911, but thats inmaterial. What is material is he should have been given a trial as an American Citizen before receiving the death penalty. Heck, he should have had at least 2 trials plus given the opportunity to appeal both. A trial to determine guilt and one to determine if the death penalty is appropriate if he was found guilty.

        He wasn’t given a trial because why if one was given the truth might actually come to light.. The government who has a repeated history of countlessly lying to us couldn’t have the truth come out…

        • former walmart person

          Heck, the neocons all scream that we can’t have trials in a war on terror because it doesn’t allow you to fight the war. Just to be clear, I do beleive always in strict self defense. So if anwar al-la locki or however you spell his name picked up a gun and charged into battle, whether on american soil or not, police are authroized to shoot to kill in self defense. But, if he wasn’t currently violent, then HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN A TRIAL!!!

  • http://libertydigest Joe Amarone Jr.

    the red and blue lists are are already drawn up,they know who you are what you hold dear and where you live.just a matter of time till they kill off the patriots,who believe in the consitution.bilderburg and crew have one-uped the lemmings ,sheep, and goyium again.amerika has been destroyed from within,without firing a shot.lock n load one 30 round magazine,their coming for us.

  • Raggs

    So… Now how is this going to work?

    My prediction…. Military road blocks….
    Automatic detention at military check points….
    Search and seizure blockades….

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Raggs,

      It’s already going on. Google VIPR.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Raggs

        Thank you Mr Livingston..
        I was unaware of this.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Raggs,

          You are prescient, just after the fact.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

  • jopa

    Angelwannabe: You should care if the guv thinks you may be a terrorist.If the Republicans ever get their way with this bill they only have to say you “may” be a terrorist and off to Gormo you go without a trial or any chance to see daylight again.However President Obama plans on vetoing the bill should it reach his desk.If the Republicans gain power in the near future look out!!

    • http://personalliberty,com 1911man

      you forget, carl levine, a dem. was also author of this bill.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Oh jopa, shove your right left paradigm, They’re use to be a great differenvce between the left and the right, now we have our progressives in the repub party too_-grow up!__sides.. the Repubs can’t do any worse than your King you voted in, worship, and kiss the ring of now!

  • jopa

    I dont know where I came up with Gormo instead of Gitmo.Too much vacation lately.

  • http://www.healthfreedomusa.org Ralph Fucetola JD

    We’ve set up an Action Item that lets you easily send an email message to your congress-critters; please help make this “go viral” -

    http://tinyurl.com/NoS-1867

    • Angel Wannabe

      Ralph, we do write the Reps__the Liberals replies are standard form letters to the opposition, the Only one I get actual emails is a Repub.

  • Bill Peacock

    Just what we need:the impostor in the white house using this bill to
    incarcerate those who oppose him and will not vote for him so he will
    wind up being the American version of Hugo Chavez(his personal hero)
    and Mahmoud Ahmedinaj(ih)ad of Iran. Ditch the impostor in chief
    next November and save America.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon

    On al-Awlaki and Polk, regardless of one’s views on the Civil War there was a difference: Polk acted in a declared war. al-Awlaki was an American citizen neither accused or convicted of any crimes in an American court, killed not in a declared war but in a secret drone strike. The Fifth Amendment directive that no citizen shall be deprived of life except by due process of law applied to al-Awlaki as it does to every one of us. The most important time to defend core Constitutional principles is when it is inconvenient or unpopular to do so.

    As an example of the police state overreach, Lancaster, California now deploys an “eye in the sky” drone to monitor activity on the streets. Citizens are assured that it is intended only as an adjunct to law enforcement and that the government will not use it in a way that would abuse that power. We can all rest assured.

  • juswonderin

    JOPA: “However President Obama plans on vetoing the bill should it reach his desk.”
    So I take it that you honestly believe that he WILL indeed veto it?? You’re a dreamer. We can only HOPE that he would, but I think we KNOW better. There’s been too many things that he promised & didn’t perform. I think Levin & McCain need to be on their way to Gitmo, just my opinion, but they are not the only ones in favor of this & I honestly believe that it will be passed both in the House & the Senate. Bilderberg tells them how high to jump & they had better obey! WHY isn’t anyone declaring that all this & more has been in the workings for decades…OWO is well on it’s way. How can we stop it? I only have faith in the Lord to help us; not politicians, money, & ofcouse the U.N. is going to do it’s dirty work as the New World Order continues to grow just the way the Bilderbergers want it! THEY are the ones that have been working on this for many decades & we’re the ones that are giving them OUR money to support that rotten entity!!

  • ArkansasRebel

    The scenario that this suggests may not be very far fetched. There have been many who have suggested that the government has already built “concentration” type facilities for just such a situation. They are known as FEMA centers. I can’t say if what the proponents of this situ are on the mark or not but it certainly seems to be at the least coincidental & more that a bit scary.

  • Rhondar

    The 61 senator traitors that voted for the Defense Authorization act are:

    Ayotte (R-NH)
    Barrasso (R-WY)
    Blunt (R-MO)
    Boozman (R-AR)
    Brown (R-MA)
    Burr (R-NC)
    Casey (D-PA)
    Chambliss (R-GA)
    Coats (R-IN)
    Coburn (R-OK)
    Cochran (R-M
    Collins (R-ME)
    Conrad (D-ND)
    Corker (R-TN)
    Cornyn (R-TX)*****
    Crapo (R-ID)
    DeMint (R-SC)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Graham (R-SC)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Hagan (D-NC)
    Hatch (R-UT)
    Heller (R-NV)
    Hoeven (R-ND)
    Hutchison (R-TX)****
    Inhofe (R-OK)
    Inouye (D-HI)
    Isakson (R-GA)
    Johanns (R-NE)
    Johnson (R-WI)
    Kohl (D-WI)
    Kyl (R-AZ)
    Landrieu (D-LA)
    Lee (R-UT)
    Levin (D-MI)
    Lieberman (ID-CT)
    Lugar (R-IN)
    Manchin (D-WV)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    McCaskill (D-MO)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    Menendez (D-NJ)
    Moran (R-K
    Nelson (D-NE)
    Portman (R-OH)
    Pryor (D-AR)
    Reed (D-RI)
    Risch (R-ID)
    Roberts (R-K
    Rubio (R-FL)
    Sessions (R-AL)
    Shaheen (D-NH)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Snowe (R-ME)
    Stabenow (D-MI)
    Thune (R-SD)
    Toomey (R-PA)
    Vitter (R-LA)
    Whitehouse (D-RI)
    Wicker (R-M
    Now Its up to Obama to sign it into law.

    • http://explorer Scout

      Unbelievable! what is so really unbelievable is the number of Americans who aren’t aware of the bill and don’t really care. Very sad to watch this country go down the tubes because people don’t care.

      • Kate8

        Scout – Whenever I tell people about these things, they look at me like mentioning ANYTHING to do with politics is taboo. They are very clear that they aren’t interested in politics, and you are weird if you are.

        The brainwashing of the masses has been successful beyond the wildest dreams of the elite.

    • Sirian

      Rhondar,
      From a listing of votes from the U.S. Senate concerning S1867:

      NOV 30, ’11 11:15am
      The Senate began a roll call vote on the motion to invoke cloture on S.1867, National Defense Authorization Act; Invoked: 88-12

      Where did you find your list of vote numbers? Calm down, not supporting this bill on molecule, simply can’t find the same vote listing.

  • Rhondar

    Ask yourself this question….why would republicans vote to give Obama this much power?….and against the constitution?

    I am just so mad I could cry and most people are just blissfully unaware of this.

    The bill Obama wanted to lock up any citizen without charges indefinitely…..well just look at all the damned republicans that voted for it AND IT PASSED….don’t anybody dare ever brag about the republicans to me EVER…..they stink !!! I despise them as much as the democrats. THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I AM AN INDEPENDENT NOW. If you say republican to me don’t be surprised if I spit on your shoes. You can’t trust either of these 2 parties….you have to vote for the person not the party. The republican party is FULL of traitors too. John McCain is the worst one & they had the balls to nominate him last election….what must they think of you?

    do you realize what they have done? Do you? They just gave Obama the power to indefinitely detain Americans without charges ….now we are the same as enemy combatants….a complete and possibly irreversible totalitarian military state.

    Small wonder that a lot of republicans don’t support Ron Paul….you all want to live in a dictatorship with Obama as dictator. You never said peep either when Bush set this whole thing up with the patriot act….just like sheep to the slaughter. They wipe their arse with the constitution that they all swore to uphold.

    And they voted down the Udall amendment that would have retained our rights to a trial… IDIOTS !!! Shame on you Texans if you vote for traitors Cornyn or Hutchinson again.

    posse comitatus be damned….this is wrong, wrong, wrong….20,000 troops have been sent back to coincide with this bill….martial law cannot be far behind….BOTH Texas senators voted for this garbage too. Read the list of traitors at the bottom….almost all republicans in the senate.

    • Kate8

      Rhondar – How has it taken you this long to realize that the Republicans are no different from the Democrats? They’ve been selling us out all along. Thank goodness you now see it!

      The stakes are really high now…it’s an all-or-nothing game…each man for himself. They’ve all come together now, uniting against US.

      They have a choice. They can represent the people, and be destroyed, or they can play the NWO game and live in splendor while America burns. How many among us would choose otherwise.

      We the people don’t choose them. We vote the way the media tells us to vote. We get this NWO pick or that one, the R or the D. Their campaigns are funded by the NWO elite, and they are bought off with corporate money, insuring they remain as long as they serve their masters. They don’t feel they owe the people anything…we are just a bunch of sheep.

  • Ted Crawford

    OK Bob, what am I not undertstanding here? Did this bill slip, unnoticed through the House, has it yet to be considered by the House, or does it, somehow not require any House action to be submitted to the President?

    • Ted Crawford

      Never mind Bob I found it . HR-1540, passed back in April

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Ted Crawford,

        Yes, and the House version did not contain the offensive language.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

  • jopa

    The 61 senators that voted for this bill should all be voted out of office.Oh silly me,then we would just vote in 61 more clones eager to take lobbiests money and we are in the same boat.Let’s just overhaul the way things are done in Washington once and for all.

  • James

    Bob Livingston, In listing the many types of Amricans that are potential terrorists, I noticed there wasn’t any quotation marks. Were those quotes from a Senate Bill, or your assumptions?

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear James,

      Reread the article and click on the hyperlinks contained therein for your answer.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • James

        Bob, That was incredible. Somtimes I think our only hope is for the U.S. military to revolt and replace the national government.

  • jerry sweet

    God is orchestrating everything that goes on here.we fight about the demo traitors and the rebubli traitors.for nothing.we kicked GOD out,or so we think and now all of us get to pay for the deed.the traitors who will enslave and murder us will themselves be enslaved and not murdered,but outright KILLED by our (MY) GOD).HE created us out of dirt and He lives inside fire,what part of this do we still not get.when they come,i hope iam one of the first to go.iam 64 lived my life and will not bow before the powers to be (are).they hate people like me.you know,those who will spit in their eyes while we die.i lke what patric henry said right before he was hanged by the british thugs during the revolutionary war.his statement (give me liberty or give me death)thats exactly how i feel.i love my nation,or at one time did,but heaven is my home because i settled it thru the cross of Christ.btw for all the stupid, misinformed,misguided idiots out there who say we came and stole this land from the rightful owners.what about the blacks who sold their own to the slavers,or the spanish who raped and wiped out the natives in central america and southern mexico.up into the southwest killing all who would not conform to their hideous religion.all they want to do is blame whites.shut up.you dont know anything except what the current cesspool running things want you to believe.like good little sheeple they yank your nose ring and you follow in goosestep behind them get right with JESUS CHRIST or be eternaly damned in the lake of fire.oh you dont believe in God,YOU WILL THEN>

  • Chief

    S 1867, Subtitle D-Detainee Matters, Section 1032, protects United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens from military internment. Am I missing something?

  • Buck

    We will officially be , if we arn’t already , subjects of the United Socialist States of America , comlete with our own KGB and SP . The gulags are already prepared for us .

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/government/we-are-all-terrorists-now/?eiid=&rmid=2011_11_30_PLA_P11559932&rrid=394771247 William L Collins

    we do not miltary law in the u s a this home land sucuirty force has gone compleately out of hand now you the people know now why the government have built so many feama camps for thats what they did in ww2 they took all japnes citizen and took there property and put them fema camps and now our government are calling all U.S. citizen terriost and take all our freedoms and rights away where they can arrest you and hold you in thes camps as long as they want i’m beging to belive the alqaida in our government by them take our freedoms away and pass laws where they can a U.S. citizen indeff, this is truning in to the same way it did in Europe when HITLER took over you want freedoms every one needs to VOTE RON PAUL

  • Sirian

    It appears the Senate has invoked a cloture on S1867 for the time being:

    U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 112th Congress – 1st Session
    as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate
    Vote Summary
    Question: On the Cloture Motion (Motion to Invoke Cloture on S. 1867 )
    Vote Number: 212 Vote Date: November 30, 2011, 11:15 AM
    Required For Majority: 3/5 Vote Result: Cloture Motion Agreed to
    Measure Number: S. 1867 (National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 )
    Measure Title: An original bill to authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2012 for military activities of the Department of Defense, for military construction, and for defense activities of the Department of Energy, to prescribe military personnel strengths for such fiscal year, and for other purposes.
    Vote Counts: YEAs 88
    NAYs 12

    In simple terms they have set it aside for further debate undoubtedly due to the fire storm it created within the people of this nation – GREAT!!! We sure as hell don’t need something like this but the fools we have voted into office think otherwise. Keep a close eye on it, no telling what trick they may try to pull and pass it without any word slipping out until it’s accomplished.

  • Jezza

    If you think that this is the first time that our government has SCREWED us over then you are blind, deaf, and dumb.

    It’s just another way, that’s all.

    When Social Security was created the Average life expectancy was 62 years old.
    That’s right ! You were supposed to be dead before you were old enough to collect it. And they raised it because people are living longer.
    They never wanted you or anyone else to get it. it was their slush fund from the get go.

    The Patriot act was just to gain total control of the people.

    and now this…

  • Alex Frazier

    You know guys, I realize to many of you that this may sound naive, but the more I think on this stuff, the less I’m convinced of it.

    I see the “signs” the same as everyone else. There are a lot of things happening that are less than normal. If you follow the alleged trail, it certainly can seem like there is a conspiracy as so many claim there is.

    But any time I really sit down and get to thinking about it all, I’m always faced with the selfsame dilemma. Why? What’s the motivation?

    Kate posted an article, for example, outlining the destruction of American sovereignty. Why would any American want such a thing? That reduces the power of those in charge rather than increase it. Why would they want the currency to collapse? That would take the power of philanthropic socialism out of their hands rather than strengthen it, since it is our international trade currency status that allows us to continue to spend as we do. Why would any person in power want to take us from being the most powerful nation on earth, answerable to no one, and put us under the thumb of some one world government?

    When I think about these questions, the random alleged motivations I hear from people remind me of the motive for Harrison Ford’s character in the Fugitive. He was a doctor. He was rich. But he killed his wife so he could be more rich. The idea is simply ludicrous.

    I don’t know how many of you are active enough in politics that you actually watch the floor debates and other hearings, but I am, and I do. What I can tell you from watching these people is that each and every one of them appears to me to be of three camps. One group wants to please its constituency by being true to our Constitution. The second wants to please its constituency by doing what they think is right for them. The third wants to please them by providing for them. In all three cases, it is my observation that they don’t make their decisions based on any malicious designs. In many cases, I’ve even found that their decisions are based upon stupidity rather than malice.

    Take McCarthy, for example. She pushes gun control at every opportunity. But is that because she is pushing an agenda to disarm the people in anticipation of the coming police state? Or, like my own mother, does she just hate guns? My father was an alcoholic, and a very violent man. When I was young, barely one year old, he started hitting me. So my mother, who had dealt with the beatings prior to that, finally left for my sake. When she did, my father pulled the classic, “I got two bullets in this gun” routine. So my mother, if she were in office, would vote yes for every gun control bill that hit the floor. She and I have had many arguments over the topic.

    As another example, consider Rep. Hank Johnson, the Democrat from Georgia. Here’s a man who questioned Admiral Robert Willard, a heavily decorated Naval Commander, and made it known that he was concerned the island of Guam might capsize if there are too many troops on it.

    In Ron Paul’s book, End the Fed, he mentions that he was approached privately by a fellow member of the Financial Services Committee and asked whether the dollar was backed by gold, “up until then [he] assumed,” Paul says, “that it was.” (pg. 114)

    So in all truth, I am having a difficult time getting behind the idea of a far reaching government conspiracy to deliberately institute a police state. It seems to me that the things that are happening are just logical conclusions to bad decisions. If a teenage boy and girl are dating, find themselves alone in a private place where they won’t be disturbed, make out, start fooling around, it’s inevitable that they’re going to end up having sex if it goes on long enough. Once they’ve had it, they’ll keep having it as opportunities present themselves, but with much less hesitation or inhibition. Ultimately, the girl is going to end up pregnant. Speaking generally, the girl was not conspiring to ruin her own life at the age of fourteen. Getting pregnant was just the natural and inevitable outcome of a long chain of foolish decisions, spawned by a desire to please someone else who was pushing her to a thing that she may or may not have wanted to do in the first place.

    All I’m saying is, try to look at the current events from a different perspective. Not everything is a government conspiracy. Sometimes it’s just government stupidity.

    • http://personalliberty,com 1911man

      I understand your observations, but also know there are people who don’t think like the average person. I beleive it’s about money and power. yes, they have power now, but in a OWG they could increase their power and riches, not all of them, only those who are favored by the leaders, but which of them will fall and which will rule is up for grabs, no-one thinks they are the ones to be omitted from their spot.As far as being stupid decisions,there are unscrupulas people out in the world who will always use the “usefull idiots” to acheive their goals,I don’t beleive all of the people in russia after the commies took over beleived their country would turn out the way it did, they revolted to better their plight in life, but were taken over by power hungry people who condemed them to a terrible fate.I don’t beleive all of the people in govt. are out to destroy and enslave America, but the coarse being taken makes it easier for it to be done, so, in the long run it doesn’t matter if by choice or stupidity, they are taking us to the same place.

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