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Watchdog Group Sues Labor Department Over ‘Rightful Wage’ Regulation

September 30, 2010 by  

Watchdog group sues Labor Department over 'rigthful wage' regulationComedian Stephen Colbert may have defended migrant workers' rights before Congress last week, but an anti-corruption watchdog organization is suing the government to obtain documents regarding its wage policy towards illegal immigrants. 

Judicial Watch says it is seeking documents that would shed light on a Labor Department program that is designed to help immigrant workers obtain fair wages whether or not they are in the United States legally. It says the program was launched in April 2010, and offers Federal assistance to illegal immigrants who want to seek redress from their employers over unpaid or unfair wages.

"The Obama White House attacks the State of Arizona for passing a law to enforce Federal immigration law, while using taxpayer funds to help [individuals] work illegally in the U.S.," said Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton.

He called the program a "scandalous waste of taxpayer resources."

According to the Department of Homeland Security, the number of deportable aliens located by law enforcement has declined in recent years. While in 2006, more than 1.2 million were identified, in 2009 slightly more than 600,000 were located. 

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  • s c

    Fitton knows what he’s talking about. I trust him. Our career criminals in Washington deserve neither respect nor trust.
    This administration belongs behind bars. As strange as RMN could be, he’s better than either kook in the White House. When you can’t tell the difference between this prez or the VP and a criminal, the appearance speaks for itself.

    • Deport Them All

      Just wondering who RMN is?
      We used to have sense sometimes like Operation Wetback that deported all the illegals so returning GIs could have work. Now Republicans want illegals and amnesty to further drive down wages and Democrats want illegals and amnesty to get more votes and Libertarians want outright wide open borders. Now GIs come home to a failed economy polluted with illegals and no chance of economic recovery because Republicans support free trade to drive down wages and end benefits and Democrats support free trade to make life better for those poor third worlders at our expense and the Libertarians support free trade because they like the word “free” and don’t understand the issue.

      • Vigilant

        Richard Milhaus Nixon

        • Deport Them All

          Thank you Vigilant – my mind was in the here and now

      • Vern Nay

        Hey deport them all, your wrong about the libertarians, they don’t advocate a no border policy, they advocate legal immigration as well as preserving our constitution and guarding our freedoms.They would also bring our military home where it belongs to protect America, we have no business policeing the world, and not one country we’ve tried to help respects us or thanks us. They will take govt. out of the private sector where it has no business anyway. Reduce govt. by 50% and decriminalize drugs. Just the decriminalization of drugs will put the cartels out of business and free up enough jail space so we can incarcerate all the career politicians who are traitors to our constitution and should be hung for high treason. A vote for a libertarian is a vote for freedom.Lets legalize freedom.

        • Deport Them All

          I’ve been in the Libertarian party for 20 years since figuring out the Republican party is just a waste of time- they have always had a wide open border policy- I would find a good party if I could- can’t.

          • DaveH

            One would think, after 20 years, that you could get it straight. Read my previous comment.

          • Deport Them All

            “Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders.”
            unrestricted and wide open are the same thing
            DaveH:”With Free Trade, the consumer decides what to buy and what not to buy.”
            Consumers can’t make decisions without our economy undermined and destroyed by free trade? Ha Ha, choices are made by spending power which free trade cuts, then the only choice is foreign products.

          • James

            I would suggest becoming ‘Independent’ and just voting for the person that agrees with your position. My strategy is to find candidates that speak out against what is happening to our country. More often than not they are Tea Party people.

      • DaveH

        Libertarians don’t understand “Free Trade”. Sorry, Deport, but it is you who doesn’t understand. With Unfree Trade the rules are set by disinterested bureaucrats and politicians who often favor certain businesses over others based on politics and worse. With Free Trade, the consumer decides what to buy and what not to buy. The consumer has the power, rather than easily corrupted Government officials.

        And you are also wrong about the Libertarian stand on Immigration. We would like to remove many of the hoops through which Immigrants must jump. But we don’t advocate open borders.

        From the Libertarian Platform:
        “3.4 Free Trade and Migration
        We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into
        our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property.”

        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

        • DaveH

          I can’t say this often enough. It is NOT illegals that have ruined our economy. It is Big Government, which Deport apparently wants to grow even larger, that is draining our country dry.
          Unbelievable. Our Forefathers risked and lost their lives to give us a Freedom previously unknown to mankind, and we have foolishly squandered it away. Now, Canadians, who took no such risk, have a freer economy than we do.
          http://www.heritage.org/index/
          We should be ashamed of ourselves.

          • Deport Them All

            Heritage is a think tank tool of those that wish for an end to American sovereignty.

      • tlludwig

        Deport them all – “Libertarians want outright wide open borders.” The way you state this makes it sound like Libertarians support illegal immigration. The Libertarian position on this matter is that border fences are a poor substitute for immigration reform. Why do illegals come to America? JOBS. Do you really think a fence will stop illegals? I don’t. Attrition through enforcement is the answer to the illegal immigration issue not an expensive fence border that will be funded by taxpayers. The problem is that the government is not doing its JOB. They are not holding employers liable for hiring illegals.

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    Are you kidding me? What are they thinking? How is this supposed to work? An illegal who thinks he got cheated in his wages ‘tells’ on his employer. Then what? Does he get arrested and deported, or does the employer cough up additional wages? Does this mean taxes will be taken out of wages for illegals? This is a farce and a real waste of taxpayer dollars.

    • Disgusted

      This is exactly obummer’s plan. His ultimate goal is to get voting rights for each and everyone of them and then guess what he has. Their vote because he got them that fair wage increase. Oh wait – it would actually be you and me and everyother tax paying citizen that actually paid for that fair wage – but the illegal won’t and doesn’t see it that way.
      I listened to a talk radio show blurb that was sent to me via email where a legal citizen on welfare actually stated that the money she gets comes straight from obummer – that he actually pays it out of the money they collect from illegals – the radio show host literally laughed at this woman and called her stupid right on the air. She actually believes he pays it to her, not you and me through taxes. This is the mentality we are dealing with and if obummer gets his way we are all in serious trouble.
      VOTE IN NOVEMBER!

      • HFlashman

        Let me understand what you are saying…that forcing criminal employers to pay fair wages that they avoid by hiring undocumented workers is bad? That they can avoid hiring Americans, avoid taxes, avoid insurannce AND call the INS and stiff them their wages…that’s good?

        And don’t swallow the oine that if they can’t employ undocumented workers food etc will go up or not be harvested. I’m 50 something…and I worked in the fields as a teenager to have pocket money and save for college. Today…that avenue is closed to teens because the criminals hire undocumented labor at less wages and no taxes.

        Don’t punish the poor slob looking for a job. Looking for a job is the American Way. Go after the illegal employer, with criminal sanctions including jail time.

        And yes, that means those who have undocumented workers as maids and gardeners. They are as much of the problem as any other criminal employer.

        If you’re not prepared to support that…then you have no basis to complain on the issue.

        • Brad

          HFlashman,

          I agree with 10% of your post the other 90% I don’t. First of all if the undocumented worker wasn’t in this country the employer wouldn’t be hiring them they would hire US workers. Secondly and this is were I agree with you, employers who knowingly hire undocument workers should be tried in a court of law to include those who hire the undocumented maid/gardner. This is where I start disagreeing with you, the governemnt has no right to tell or even show an undocumented worker how to sue their employer because they are getting less pay. That’s why the undocumented worker keeps there mouth shut, they don’t want to loose the job. It’s criminal that the secratery of labor would come out for the rights of the illegal taking jobs from US citizens. Currently most farm jobs are seasonal and young kids wanting some extra pocket money can apply for a job, it might teach them something about the real world and how to save for their future instead of their parents handing them everything on a silver plater.

          When I started working as a teenager, I started as a dishwasher at my dads moose lodge, I was making $3.25 and hour and worked the Friday & Saturday night dinners putting in 6 to 7 hour’s each night.

          • HFlashman

            So forcing the criminal employers to pay up what they should have paid inthe first place is not right? So they get off paying substandard wages and avoiding taxes because having the government forcing fair wages and legal wages is … wrong?

            Hmmm…so if I were an employer, knowing the government won’t come after me for back wages…easy call. I’ll pay any fne and still come out ahead in the game…

            Nice…reallll nice.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Brad,
            Tell flushman that the pay should go to the government to make up for a little bit of the benefits those illegals collect and use! fine the employer well and put the money into a fund to help the hospitals that are about to go under to stay in business!! There’s all kinds of things that could be done with it1 By giving it to the illegals, all you are doing is encouraging them to return or more to come!!
            Flushman, YOUR IDEAS SUCK!!!

          • DaveH

            Criminal Employers in your twisted Liberal mind, Flashman.
            The Employers don’t force anybody to work for them. If you don’t like the wages they offer, work for somebody else, or start your own company. What’s that? It’s hard to start your own company because of all the Government hoops? Hoops which you advocate?
            However, you Flashman, have made it abundantly clear that you do believe in Forcing people. You are the criminal, Flashman.
            Liberals are thieves and Forcers. I would take the Employers anyday over you, Flashman.

        • marvin

          HFlashman some times you allmost talk like you have some brains,being in this country undocumented is a criminal act punishable by fine jail and DEPORTATION,working or hireing an illegal is allso a crime,but what about the female that come here for one reason that is to get knocked up and have kids for the tax payer to support,and that is 5 or 6 kids what your saying is, it,s all the employers fault,well if we had no illegals we would not have employers hireing them, that is the liberal go after the employer and not the poor illegals that broke are laws first just comeing here,i guess i am unamerican like pelosie said,for not loving illegals,i don,t thinking anyone need be compensated for knowingly breaking the law

          • Sam in Cal

            here’s a thought . If the big ‘o’ is to get amnesty passed, Thennn..he can get in line and become legal. He likes the back door maneuvering ,

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Sam,
            I thought we were talking about illegals here not nobamas sex life!!!

        • 45caliber

          Farm workers are allowed to be paid less by the Federal Government. I ran into that when I was still picking crops. It may have changed but I doubt it. The idea is that the farmers need the crops picked and can’t afford to pay real wages. Besides, the Americans are too lazy to do it so they have to be allowed to hire illegals. All wrong, of course, but they still use that argument. Probably because the farmers are not allowed to charge what the food is worth. After all, the middle suppliers need their big profits.

        • tlludwig

          I think what HFlashman is trying to convey is that if we take away the incentive for employers to hire illegals (by paying them a fair wage) then employers will not be as inclined to hire illegals because the primary incentive for employers to hire illegals is that they pay them less than legals. Basically, this program in essence is a penalty to employers (which is good) but at the same time it is also an incentive to illegals (Which is bad). That is the problem. It sends the right message to employers but the wrong message to illegals.

      • lkar

        It is worse than that. I know a person who recieves section 8, welfare assistance, and get s help from their working children who is an avid tea party supporter. I pointed out to them that true tea party candidates would cut funding to these programs and that they would be in line to actually go back to work. Their response was that no they would cut spending in other places and that she was safe. These people have the mentality that everyone but them.

        • 45caliber

          I doubt if they will believe it until they are in line for the extermination chambers.

      • Wake up America

        SAVAGE !!

  • Mindy

    The liberal plan to synically destroy our country in action. And people still ‘believe’ in this government???

    • 45caliber

      They aren’t going to destroy it. They are going to “change” it – to allow themselves unlimited power while destroying the rest of us.

      What is really funny to me is the expectations of the Dems biggest following – those on Welfare. What happened to the people like them in Russia and other Communist countries? They were sent to stalags – and most ended up shot. Why? Because they are totally useless to the new regime. After all they produce nothing but use a lot of expensive government services.

      • DaveH

        Don’t go stepping on the Liberals’ Hopes and Dreams, 45.

  • Pete

    A book of predictions, “R I P FEDERAL RESERVE BANK 1913-2028″ explains how we got here and where its going to end up. Batten down the hatches.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Pete,
      the biggest joke I heard was today on Fox news! I can’t remember who was talking but he said that the FED was gonna have to help solve this recession and the economy that comes with it!!! As if the fed was gonna help anything but themselves!!!

  • Allen

    Fine those who hire illegals and use that money to deport the illegal. Refuse any and all benefits to those who cannot prove they are here legally. They are not citizens so the burden of proof is on them not on us. If anchor baby parents are illegal, don’t separate the baby from the parents, deport them with the parents and allow only the anchor baby to apply for citizwnship when they turn 18 and can show they can support themselves. Once deported that person (other than the anchor) can no longer qualify for application to citizenship.
    The Government claims that it is too costly to deport all the illegals. That’s hogwash. With the money saved in benefits, jobs and taxes on those jobs it will more than pay the costs of deportation and guarding our borders with enough left over to help in recovery. Don’t let Washington tell you otherwise. God Bless America

    • HFlashman

      LOL … you realize ther are fines in place do you not? Economically, the criminal employers come out ahead even after counting the fines…it’s a bottom line expense item.

      Toss the SOB employers in jail. 30 days in the county hoosegow. No stay on appeal. Serve the time. Voila! No more employing undocumented workers. No jobs…no reason to come here.

      Astounds me the Right isn’t hammering on this issue. But then, the GOP money supply would shrink so they won’t do that.

      And don’t mess with the Constitution! Changing it..bah. It doesn’t need changing…what needs changing is the message to Congress….it’s not the poor slob looking for a job we should be wasting resources on catching and deporting. Why punish someone for looking for a job fer chrissakes. Is that not what the American Way is? Work your way up?

      We should be criminalizing and nailing those who created and continue to create this problem…those SOBs hiring and employing undocumented workers.

      • independant thinker

        I do not see anyone advocating punishing them for looking for a job. They advocate punishing them for being in the US ILLEGALY and sending them back where they came from.

        • 45caliber

          Right.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        flushman,
        OK, just for you we won’t punish them for looking for a job!!! But we will come down twice as hard on them for being here illegally!!! I am still all for tattooing them, and then dropping them south of the southern Mexican border!!! That way when Mexico builds their fence on THEIR southern border we can expect that the deportees to stay deported!!!

      • DaveH

        Sure, Flashman, put the blame on the employers. Typical Liberal response. The Government is not enforcing the laws, but you want to criminalize employers – the people who make the effort to create and build companies that employ most of us.
        Why don’t you Liberals all migrate to the Liberal states and show us how it’s done? It would be a laugh riot watching all you clowns fight with each other as your economy collapsed.

    • marvin

      Allen 100% right but as for birth right babies there an,t no such thing the 14th amend was for children of the slaves not illegals we had no illegal 149 years ago when the 14th was added,149 years is a long stretch from slaves that were forced to come here and an illegal that come,s here to play the system,have 6 or 7 kids that have no allegiance to this country

    • 45caliber

      I’ve no problems with fining the companies. What I’d really like to see is the US bill their countries for sending them back.

  • HFlashman

    Who are the real criminals in the undocumented worker issue? Easy…those that hire undocumented workers. They avoid taxes, they pay underscale wages, they take jobs from Americans.

    Nail the SOBs…..hard, without remorse or apology and the only support there should be is for nailing the true criminals…those who know, or should know, they are employing undocumented workers

    • s c

      HF, your pants are still down around your ankles. YOU dared to use “REAL” in a sentence. IF you were truly concerned about looking at the whole picture, you’d include the ELECTED SOBs who make it possible for emloyers to hire ILLEGALS.
      You’re about as sincere as a pimp in a brothel. Fix that slow leak in your head, and start living in the REAL world. As long as YOU protect the SOBs who make this crap possible [ELECTED SCUM], then you have NOTHING to contribute. Talk is cheap, and man, o man, do you know how to sling feces but AVOID answers. Whiz off, comrade.

      • HFlashman

        Hey SC….I did not single out the Dems or the GOP. The Dems have thier agenda, the GOP theirs. What I am saying is for all the ‘holier than thou’ sanctity the Tea party says…I do ote that not one…NOT ONE … has ever said “go after those who know or should know they are employing undocumented labor”.

        The answer is simple…

        If you say the Dems won’t do anything because of the voter bloc potential…what is the reason the GOP and the Tea Party using? Oh wait…it’s easier to exploit Xenophobia and turn the poor slob looking for a job into “the Enemy”.

        The problem isn’t the poor slob looking for work. The problem and true criminals are those who will employ them.

        • marvin

          HFlashman NO ILLEGALS NO EMPLOY THEM,YOU CAN READ CAN,T YOU

          • HFlashman

            As long as there are criminal employers … there will be undocumented workers. You can understand that can you not?

            Let me ask Marv … why are you siding to protect tax evaders, under wage employers, and people who want to screw the American worker?

            Have something to hide? Don’t want to go to jail because you may be part of the criminal employer element? Want to protect your housekeeper?

            What are you hiding Marv? Or are you just coming out to support tax evaders, under wage employers etc ?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            flushman,
            You are a dam liar!! I have said there are lots of ways to get rid of the illegals. 1) deport,2) fine and jail the employers. 3) make it a crime to rent to illegals. 4) Never let them sue their employer!5) Deport. 6)repeat 5!!!! did I mention DEPORT???

        • Brad

          HFlashman,

          One of the biggest problems we have in this country today is, LAZYNESS, we have welfare receipents who make more money just sitting around doing nothing instead of working for a living wage. Hense now we have the illegal worker willing to take that job for less pay but still make ends meet and send money out of country. It’s estimated illegal workers send 3 to 4 billion annualy out of the US to mexico, central and south america. Who’s the real enemy, DOJ they won’t enforce immigration law, SF which harbors illegals to include Oregon, DOJ sueing states that help enforce federal law, the list can go on. Flash you already see some of the problems open your eye’s to the remainder before its too late. Currently I blame both Dems and Repubs who want amnesty for all illegals, its a ploy to get another voting block that shouldn’t even of been considered. So when is Obama and company going to enforce our imigration laws and provide the necessary security on our southern border?

          • HFlashman

            The GOP since Raygun has done a darn good job eh?

            Until people start realizing it’s not the poor slob looking for work that should be punished…it’s the true criminal element…those who employ undocumented workers AND those who don’t stigmatize it when knowing it is done by thier friends, family, and businesses they patronize.

          • Bob

            The only president that ever did anything about illegals was Eisenhower. Google ” Operation Wetback “.

        • 45caliber

          flash – I’ve been saying arrest the employers all along – or at least fine them. And the government does – a very few. They need to fine all of them. But at the same time they need to give the companies a way to challenge one when he shows up. I’ve turned away people I’m certain were illegal but I couldn’t report them for having illegal papers since that is illegal too. (“You are harassing these poor people!”) That can cost you big money in court suits – even if they ARE illegal!

          Oh, and we do have one ex-employer in Houston who knowingly hired an illegal – he helped slip the guy over the border. I say “ex-employer” because he’s presently facing “accessory to murder” charges since the illegal shot a cop for stopping him for speeding.

          • HFlashman

            What’s laughable about people saying there is no way to know…really? Do you really want to say that? My HR Dept. requires two pieces of ID (DL, SS card, or passport or birth certificate), and we send them for a background check before hiring. Background check (incl. fingerprinting) costs us $125.00 per.

            Not one has come back from the background check as undocumented. Several didn’t show up and we never heard from the again. Seems easy to me.

          • 45caliber

            You are right. But it is very easy to get a second ID once you get the license. And the background check, which we use, only tells you if he has committed a crime in the US. It MIGHT tell you if he has been deported before but we’ve never found one of those.

        • Christin

          HF and sc,

          Look Guys-
          I believe the REAL culprit/ criminal if you will… is our GOVERNMENT!

          The Gov spigots are WIDE open… or should we say flood gates.
          Shall we…

          * Food Stamps and WIC
          * Free Housing
          * Free Hospital and Medical for family and births
          * Citizenship for anchor babies
          * Free or reduced school lunches
          * Bilingual Education
          * Press 2 for Spanish
          * State Sanctuary Cities
          * Monthly income given for poor and refugees … more than most hard working American citizens
          * OPEN BORDERS… weak and incomplete fences, stopped by BO
          * Fed gov NOT doing its contitutional duty to protect its citizens under the law and sueing AZ for doing so.
          * Not serious enough to put more Border Rangers-boots on the ground
          * Sides with El Presidente Calderon and his anti-American border rhetoric, even though HE builds a southern border to keep out Guatamalians… hypocrite.
          * Mexico doesn’t want the their (illegal alien) criminals who were prosecuted and served time in American prisons back.
          * Plentiful jobs (only one benefit you are arguing about HF.)

          *And in some cases VOTING rights and Social Security checks.

          Need I say more???

          As a grand distraction I think the gov-WH & Congress wants you argue… TO BLAME the EMPLOYER or the ILLEGAL- undocumented worker, BUT NOT THEM.

          sc, I think you are right on to blame the “elected sobs” if I may quote you.

          (I’m sure I left some out… add to my list if you can think of more.)

          • Christin

            PS
            Flash, you only call the employer “Criminal” if he or she employees those people, but YOU do NOT call the illegal alien “Criminal” when he and she knowingly cross a border of a sovereign nation illegally FIRST (breaking the law) before seeking employment second. The Federal LAW to protect the people from invasion has been in the books for ever. The only reason the Employer is now a Criminal is because the stupid gov made that new rule to pretend to punish someone… a company, the money maker… because its easier and they don’t want to go after 20 million illegals (whose votes they want) because it would be extremely difficult and political suicide. The gov open border policy and failure to uphold the law to protect is a national problem. The illegals KNOW they have no right to come here, work and live without LEGAL immigration, green card or visa.

            Let’s just quit the ridiculous argument… Failure to secure the borders and cut off the feed trough is owned by the gov. (period)

        • Wake up America

          Ok everyone, forget about the job issue for a second. Illegal’s also come over here for other things like drugs smuggling, anchor babies, medical for free. All I am trying to say is that America gives the poor many reasons to come here. If I lived in that Country under there living conditions I would do the same. But,,,,,,,,, it is still illegal.
          End of story. They need to take their Country back as we do ours!

    • lkar

      The term is not “undocumented workers”. It is ILEGAL ALIENS. Do not make it sound like they just need to get their papers in order. They broke our laws and must be arrested. I do agree that the employers must also be punished.

      • HFlashman

        Well…literally, that’s all they have to do is get the papers in order…isn’t it?

        • lkar

          That happens BEFORE they cross the border. They are now ILLEGAL and must be arrested for crimes. If you do not have a license, do you think the police should just let it go and you can just get the documents. I think the law is that you are supposed have a drivers license BEFORE you start driving.
          Immigration reform is not about those that break the law. It should be about those that want to come here legally. An ILEGAL ALIEN is now a criminal.

        • marvin

          HFlashman,THEY HAVE NO PAPER LEST THEY BE STOLEN,THERE FOR THEY ARE ILLEGAL ALLENS,NOT MISSPLACED UNDOCUMENTED WORKER,[illegal /crinminal /undocumented,same side of coin

          • HFlashman

            Hey Marv…you have an ally with Ikar. Seems there are now at least two who support criminal employers and want to go after the poor slob whose only “crime” is looking for a job.

          • Brad

            HFlashman,

            If the US governemnt enforced current immigration law, found and deported all illegal/undocumented aliens. So why can’t you support an American wanting a job but you’re all for the illegal getting that same job?

          • HFlashman

            Brad..never said i’m all for undocumented workers getting a job. I said we shouldn’t be punishing some guy for looking for work.

        • AMJ

          In North Korea, they give illegal aliens 10 years hard labor. In the US, we are truely generous. I would only give them a ticket back to their homeland country, and that’s more than they deserve. They have broken our laws. Does this mean nothing to you?

          • 45caliber

            Check out Mexico’s laws if they catch an illegal alien.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            AMJ,
            Now that Mexico is building a fence on it’s southern border, I say drop them south of that border. bet it will be a long time before they make it back to the good ole’ US of A!!!

    • Matt

      Flash and all those who want to take this seriously need to consider the following. Like with most problems and business situations the main issue is not so direct. Let me start by saying that illegal immigration is wrong and I don’t agree with it, but the real problem is entitlement programs and welfare. 1. People who will not work should not have everything that working people do (not the case in the USA). 2. Unemployment extends way too long. If people had to work to survive and take care of their own children things would be different, plain and simple they do not have to here. People who will not work in the US can live better than working people can south of the border. Drive by government housing sometime there is a TV dish on every unit, check your cell phone bill that “universal service charge” is so welfare people can have a cell phone (if you don’t believe me call your cell provider and ask them to explain it). The USC is not a tax it is a fee (so they say) although is imposed by the government and you can not refuse to pay it (that’s a TAX). Make all these people work to survive and the problem goes away. I have to go back to work now. Have a great day.

    • 45caliber

      I have no problem nailing the bad ones who do as you suggest. I would love to see Tyson’s in Arkansas take a good hit since about half their work force is illegal. They even turn local people away to hire them. But many companies, including Tyson’s, pay the same wages and benefits that Americans get. The real difference is power over them. If Tyson wants to work them 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, they can. Americans would object. That’s why they want them.

    • royG

      HFlashman, the real criminals you and those that have the opinion that these are not ILLEGAL, only undocumented. They came here illegally which is a crime.

      Would it not be a crime for me to come to your private home without your permission, move in as if it were my home. I would only be the undocumented resident of the house, and you would still be responsible for the up keep, the utilities, the taxes, and all other expenses. I would be responsible for nothing, because I am an undocumented resident, not there illegally. So, I could not be called a criminal, because you have a better house than I, and you would not want to punish me for wanting to better my living standards by not going through the proper channels to obtain possesion of your home.
      That is what these ILLEGAL ALIENS did they moved in without going through the proper channels, no matter what term you want to use they are ILLEGAL ALIENS and need to be sent back to their own country.

    • DaveH

      Sure, Flashman, and let’s not jail the thieves either. After all it is their victims who accumulate the material goods that tempt those poor deprived thieves. It isn’t their fault.
      It must be miserable living with that tormented brain of yours.

  • Anne Clements

    What part of “illegal” doesn’t the government understand? If I, as an American citizen get caught working under the table, do you think the government is going to defend me, or the illegal wage rate? The criminals have more rights than law abiding citizens in some cases. Is this the America we want, is this the America our soldiers risk their lives to defend? I am ashamed of the turn this country has taken.

    • HFlashman

      When was the last time you reported an employer to the IRS for avoiding taxes because they hire undocumented labor? When was the last time you turned an employer in to the INS because they hire undocumented labor? When was the last time you demanded your Rep and Sen. go after the true criminal with mandatory jail time … the employers of undocumented labor?

      You want to know who is part of the problem? If you answered the above “not once” … you are part of the problem.

      • lkar

        I have tried on a number of occasions. They do not place high priority on “tips” from citizens. I even tried calling my sheriffs department, but guess what, they refer me to ICE.
        Also, just to be clear. I worked at a place that had unknowingly hired ILLEGAL ALIENS. I asked the HR and she said she followed the government rules to the letter and had no way to prove that they had used stolen ID’s. Afterall, she does not have access to the databases that ICE, FBI, DOJ, and other government agency has. How did we know they were ILLEGAL ALIENS, they boasted about the fact. No fear. By the way, they did not get cheap labor. These ILLEGAL ALIENS were paid a very nice wage that should of went to a legal US citizen. The company did eventually let these people go for other reasons, but how can you fault them when there hands were tied.
        Now I realize there are a lot of employers that probably hire ILLEGAL ALIENS on purpose to exploit cheaper labor. Those must be rooted out and prosecuted. But you can see the picture gets mucky as to who is doing knowingly and who is doing unknowingly.

        • HFlashman

          Uh huh … you knew they were undocumented. How did you know and HR did not? I don’t buy that line that HR was so innocent and sweet. When I got my job, there were three pieces of ID required AND a background check. Let them explain it to the court.

          Yet … you will scream to your lawmakers to “get tough’ on the poor sob looking for a job…but won’t scream to “get tough’ on employers ?

          • 45caliber

            Obviously you have never worked at a job that had anything to do with hiring or firing.

            HR is REQUIRED BY LAW to accept a driver’s license as proof you are an American citizen. And the states are required to give them to just about anyone without proof of citizenship now. If someone has one when you ask, it is “proof”. If they later brag about being illegal, you have to prove it to fire them. After all, they might have been joking. In fact, it is VERY hard to fire anyone. We had a person once who even falsified their time card to show about 10 hours a week of OT they didn’t work. It still took us nearly a year to prove that so we could fire them.

          • DaveH

            Sure, Flashman, and after the company spends all that money scrutinizing each employee, then you miserable Liberals whine about their high prices or that they give up and move their companies overseas.
            Why don’t you start your own Company, Flashman, and put your money where your mouth is?

        • http://?? Joe H.

          lkar,
          This is why I say make E-verify permanent and manditory!!! This thing of having it be renewed one year at a time so we never know if it will be there next year or not is beyond rediculous!!! Make it MANDITORY!!!!!

      • AMJ

        When was the last time you did?

        • HFlashman

          Last week to my Sen. when he was campaigning asking for my vote. Last month when I was underbid by a contractor who was able to pay less than fair wages to laborers

          • http://?? Joe H.

            flushman,
            I notice you don’t mention whether they were illegal laborers!! Perhaps you are bidding too high???

          • DaveH

            Two things, Joe.
            1) I doubt seriously that Flashman has his own company. Have you noticed how many of the Liberals on this board say they have their own companies? Must be some of the talking points they are given when coached to disrupt Freedom Lovers.
            2) If he does indeed have a company, he probably just doesn’t know how to run it as efficiently as the other contractors. Being the typical Liberal, he wants the Government to guarantee him an income.

          • DaveH

            One more, Joe. Have you noticed that Flashman started posting at 10:33 AM, and kept posting until 12:39 PM?
            Runs his own business and still has time to present his Liberal arguments on the Internet for 2 hours?

          • Christin

            DaveH,
            It must be Flash’s room-mate or evil twin posting.

  • patrick

    ATTENTION: The problem is Obammy boy and his crew of crooked czars! We only have 2 choices: 1-Impeachment, 2-Firing Squad, after conviction for treason and other high crimes.

    • 45caliber

      Actually one choice – impeachment leads to the firing squad.

      I wonder if the liberals will do as they did here in Texas when the old prison executioner retired. They were certain that the death penalty was over since they wouldn’t be able to find a new one. I believe over ten thousand of us offered – at no pay.

  • Lealand Sherman

    Who thought this BS up,and who’s hand is up his/her butt?

  • Don

    obammy’s whole agenda is to destroy the USA, and he needs the illegal votes to keep him in office, and you people in Congress have let him do it, impeach obammy and throw them all in prison come January, the whole damm bunch , it’s past time, to clean this country of it’s scum, and close the borders!!!

    • Wake up America

      YEP !

  • http://http/aol.com john littlefield

    nancy p said she was going to drain the swamp but instead got a cesspool.

    • 45caliber

      Actually Pelousy dammed up the swamp to get the cesspool. And she is in it up to her eyebrows!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        45caliber,
        She takes mud baths in it!! Can’t you tell by her good looks?!?!?! She looks like the mud dried and she forgot to remove it!!!

  • Howard Roark

    The ANCHOR BABIES are not citizens of the U.S. and never have been. The US Supreme Court in the Slaughterhouse Cases decision ruled that the 14th Amendment does not apply to the children of illegal aliens.

    Slaughterhouse Cases, 83 U.S. 36 (1872) (USSC+)
    Opinions
    MILLER, J., Opinion of the Court

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

    The first observation we have to make on this clause is that it puts at rest both the questions which we stated to have been the subject of differences of opinion. It declares that persons may be citizens of the United States without regard to their citizenship of a particular State, and it overturns the Dred Scott decision by making all persons born within the United States and subject to its jurisdiction citizens of the United States. That its main purpose was to establish the citizenship of the negro can admit of no doubt. The phrase, “subject to its jurisdiction” was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.

    • marvin

      Howard Roark YOU ARE 100% RIGHT WE HAD NO ILLEGALS 149 YEARS AGO WHEN THE 14TH WAS WROTE,we hade a lot of slave children that were not citizens there for the 14th amendment granted them citizenship,it was not i say not for illegal/criminal/ undoucumented,but for slaves children only

  • 45caliber

    According to the Department of Homeland Security, the number of deportable aliens located by law enforcement has declined in recent years. While in 2006, more than 1.2 million were identified, in 2009 slightly more than 600,000 were located.
    ————————————-

    Well, gee whiz! Everyone knows that it’s hard to identify them without using illegal means such as the fact that they only speak Spanish. And you have to believe them if you ask them where they were born and they tell you Chicago. After all, none would ever tell a lie. Right?

    • marvin

      45caliber and the director of ice told all ice employes do not pick up illegals only the criminals[and i would say it came from obama],hell an,t illegal criminal, an,t undocumented criminal,but i guess i live on another planet then these liberal morons

      • 45caliber

        Houston is a ‘sactuary’ city – the police there are not to tell ICE even if they find a criminal illegal. And now the mayor there is running for governor!!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      45caliber,
      They weren’t born in Chicago, they were born in East LA!!!!!LOL

  • Howard Roark

    Thank you Marvin: It still amazes me that most Americans do not know that they are not 14th Amendment Citizens.

    As you said the 14th Amendment was written to give a special class of citizenship for the newly freed slaves and their decendents for time eternal.

    THE 14TH Amendment created two classes of citizens. 1. 14th amendment citizens (the slaves and their decendents) and 2. the citizens of the several States. the State citizens are covered by the main body of the Constitution and the freed slaves and their decendents are covered by the 14th amendment.

    The Citizens of the States have unaliable rights and 14th amendment citizens have civil rights.

    • Vigilant

      Sorry Howard,

      I agreed with you up to the very last sentence.

      Unalienable rights are the natural rights granted by the Creator to ALL human beings. No legislattion or Constitutional amendment can change that one whit.

  • don

    We are now funding programs to improve ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT payrolls? Don’t we have any programs for prevention of Mongolian sheep pregnancy? Where the hell do these programs come from? They are an insane waste of our taxes. The government will not prevent illegals from entering, they accept that millions of illegals are here, and now they sponser a fair-pay program. How about a program to keep the government from stealing my Social Security savings and my stock and bond income? The sooner we clean out this outhouse the better.

  • dahni

    As a teenager I did seasonal work, along with my mother. I picked cotton, packed apples, dug potatoes and peanuts. It was hard work, but I made money and survived. I could, and would, do all that again if I lose my current job.

  • Howard Roark

    to further prove that 14th amendment citizens here is an item from the Code of Federal Regulations Title 42. note the difference between persons (14th amendment citizens and white citizens. State citizens.

    TITLE 42 > CHAPTER 21 > SUBCHAPTER I > § 1981
    Prev | Next § 1981. Equal rights under the law
    How Current is This? (a) Statement of equal rights
    All persons within the jurisdiction of the United States shall have the same right in every State and Territory to make and enforce contracts, to sue, be parties, give evidence, and to the full and equal benefit of all laws and proceedings for the security of persons and property as is enjoyed by white citizens, and shall be subject to like punishment, pains, penalties, taxes, licenses, and exactions of every kind, and to no other.
    (b) “Make and enforce contracts” defined
    For purposes of this section, the term “make and enforce contracts” includes the making, performance, modification, and termination of contracts, and the enjoyment of all benefits, privileges, terms, and conditions of the contractual relationship.
    (c) Protection against impairment
    The rights protected by this section are protected against impairment by nongovernmental discrimination and impairment under color of State law.

    • airangel

      Thus the key “verbiage”…”All persons within the jurisdiction of the United States”….two illegal Mexicans are NOT within the jurisdiction of the United States….THEY are under the jurisdiction of Mexico….the misinterpretation is grossly ignored in favor of illegals.

  • Dorothy Duda

    The politicians rarely do anything right unless it involves personal benefits to themselves and with the constant trading back and forth of favors or agreements it has gotten to be a great big mess. They need basic thorough laws/regulations just like children to keep them in check such as voting on one new bill at a time, plus a bill that they can not get around that completely prohibits any gratuities of any kind from any one or group or company etc. And any raises to political/governmental people must be approved by the legal citizens of the USA. This has been put of long enough.

  • marvin

    here is a good one after odumbo went to the un over arizona immigration law the un put out a warning to states [usa and france] on human rights violations,now that is just what we need a bunch of clowns tell the united states how to run are immigration people 2 more years of this jackass obama is 2 days to long we need to kick the un and odumbo out of this country

  • airangel

    Does the nightmare ever end? Can we please throw all the anti- Americans out of any leadership roles? Criminalize those that are supporting this illegal invasion of both Muslims and Hispanics. The ignorance and lies of this current administration is bringing us nothing but chaos, violence, animosity, 3rd world poverty (1 in 7 now in poverty)…we need REAL PATRIOTS in office that care about putting honest American Citizens first and not tolerate any law breakers!

    • HFlashman

      “Can we please throw all the anti- Americans out of any leadership roles? ” We did. We got rid of the Bush/Cheney cabal.

      • airangel

        There’s a long way to go Flash! We’re not nearly cleaned out enough! All politicians need 4 year term limits!

  • 45caliber

    One thing:

    The reason the illegals can afford to take less than minimum wage is not because they have no choice. It is because they also draw welfare under a different name. It is just as easy to get two SS#’s as one. They draw all welfare avenues (in fact the Mexican government tells them how to do it) and then work under the other name. Every six months they change so they can get all their taxes back at the end of the year.

    It is ONLY due to this that they can get those “cheap” jobs and are willing to do it. To make things even worse, they find a vacant house, break in, and up to 20 of them will live there at a time. If the police try to run them off, they trash the house before leaving. If you can get them to move so you can move in, you will find that they have basically trashed the house anyway. I’ve heard of closets used as toilets, smashed walls, destroyed carpets, smashed electrical fixtures, stolen appliances, and everything else you can imagine.

    It’s no wonder they can afford to work for less pay.

  • http://gmail i41

    A year ago several illegals were pickup a couple hundred south of the Canadian border, the sergant on duty called the INS and ICE office to let them know there were 7 illegals in custudy for stealing tools, fuel and some consruction equipment. The first question was “are the felons or crimminal” , yes they had over $2800 worth of equipment, and no we have no idea if they are felons or just what the hell their names are, they are illegals. the sergant was told since there was only 7, ICE doesn’t drive out unless there is 8 to pick up and just let them go, if we incarated them county would stand the costs and it was after midnight. You be the judge, was it the democrat Congress or the marxist muslim moron and the DOJ dirt ball Holder?

  • DaveH

    For all those who go along with making the employers the Immigration Police and advocating punishment for them if they don’t fulfill their “duties”. They are the ones that make our economy. Without them, we would mostly be impoverished. On top of that, you folks want to punish the employers for ‘not doing’ what the Government (whose job it truly is) has been ‘not doing’ for decades?
    Wake up!

    • Vigilant

      Are you saying the end justifies the means?

  • guyb

    I know America has attorneys who only want to sue for whatever because thats there job…Sue-Sue-Sue- Well how about some attorney aking to audit fort knox gold or to audit the spent stimulus money so we can hold our elected officals accountable and see just how much our own elected officals have stolen from the American tax payer.

    • Wake up America

      We found out a lot of people that are supposed to work spent most of their day watching porn ! Funny how we never heard what happened to them. guyb, I agree. We need to clean up the “Swamp house” in all areas. Drug test all of them too while we are at it !! We as Americans have got to make a stand or else we will fall!

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    If we radically cut back on the welfare rolls many of those people will go to work. Hunger is a great motivator.
    I saw a UTube video a few months ago. Some guy made a self video of himself pulling up, in his pickup, to one of those day worker areas in Calif. where the illegals hang out. He held up 5 fingers indicating he needed 5 men. The 5 climbed into the back of his pickup and off they went. instead of driving them to a job site he drove them to the ICE office. When they saw where they were they took off like raped apes. Hilarious video !!!

  • guyb

    For all the anti American far left losers,America will not go down even though the far left white house we have with obama and reid and pelosi and clinton(hillary) and such have tried to sell us out. America will rise up and vote these anti Americans out of office. Oh,where is that little 17 dollar birth certificate???? The white house has embezzled the tax payers money and they want more….. Lets audit all the stimulus money already spent,I bet there would be billions missing.

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