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Watch Out For Those Lame Ducks!

November 19, 2010 by  

Watch Out For Those Lame Ducks!

More than 100 members of Congress who will be looking for work in January are back at their desks on Capitol Hill this week. What can we expect from this bunch of lame ducks?

Probably nothing good. The more important question is: How much bad will they do before they go home?

I keep hearing rumors that the union bosses who bought (stole?) Harry Reid’s re-election in Nevada are demanding that card check be passed before Congress heads home for Christmas. In case you’re not familiar with this dishonestly named bit of legislative chicanery, it would mean the end of the secret ballot in union elections.

Believe it or not, the bill’s supporters in Congress actually had the nerve to call this odious piece of legislation “The Employee Free Choice Act.” Of course it is nothing of the sort. Passage would mean an end to free choice for those workers unfortunate enough to become the victims of it.

And speaking of the unions in this country, did you realize that they were the single biggest spenders in this year’s elections? Not only did they force their members to cough up $100 million dollars for some of the slimiest negative advertising we’ve ever seen, the union bosses actually borrowed another $20 million or so to buy more ads in critical areas.

Nevada was one of them. Union leaders considered it absolutely essential to keep their pet lapdog, Harry Reid, as Senate Majority Leader. To the sorrow of all of us who care about constitutional government, they succeeded. Now the question is: Will Reid deliver on his debt to them?

Frankly, I think all of you right-to-work supporters can relax. There’s about as much chance of Reid ramming card check through Congress as there is of Ron Paul’s (R-Texas) proposal to get us out of the United Nations being approved. Or even Paul’s bill to audit the Federal Reserve, and that one has a majority of the present House members as co-sponsors.

Yes, this lame duck session of Congress is important. Maybe even pivotal. But not because Harry Reid and his counterpart in the House — the incredibly nasty, vindictive, but soon-to-be-ex-Speaker Nancy Pelosi — are going to ram through another bunch of bad bills. Granted, these people don’t care a whit about decency, honesty or what’s permitted by the Constitution.

But I do know one thing they care about — their hides. And I suspect they realize what would happen to them if they treated us all like the hapless serfs they wish we actually were. The “million man march” would become many millions. And the marchers wouldn’t be anywhere near as nice as the last bunch. Heck, they probably wouldn’t even stop to clean the blood off the Capitol steps.

(Let’s pause a moment for a joke. I received an email warning a few days ago, purportedly from the Department of Homeland Security. The subject line said, “Warning! Dangerous email!” The message inside said whatever you do, do not open an email that promises to include a naked photo of Nancy Pelosi. The reason? Because it actually does contain a naked photo of her.)

Back to reality, which is sometimes just as unpleasant. What in fact can we expect this lame duck session to do? (If you’re wondering about the origination of the phrase “lame duck,” check out Chip Shots at the bottom of this page).

How about passing a budget?

With all the hullabaloo over the midterm elections, you may not have caught the news that our beloved Congress hasn’t passed a budget for the fiscal year that began Oct. 1.

I kid you not. Congress went racing home in September without taking a vote on any of the one dozen spending bills that were needed to finance the Federal government for the coming year. Instead, in their awesome wisdom, they approved a stopgap “continuing resolution” that temporarily extended current spending levels through Dec. 2.

Why a dozen different spending bills, you might ask? For a couple of reasons. One, some of the brighter minds in D.C. argued that it would be easier to sort through 12 separate bills that divided government programs into 12 different piles than to have one gargantuan monster that no one would read and few could comprehend.

I don’t know why this should be a problem. It certainly wasn’t with the single most important piece of legislation that Congress has foisted on us in the past 50 years — Obamacare. Here was a bill that no one had read (it wasn’t put together until a few hours before the vote) and that no one fully understands even now. Remember, it was Pelosi who said, “We have to pass this bill to find out what’s in it.” Is that a crazy way to make legislation or what?

I have to admit, the second reason for not combining all spending proposals into one bill does make sense: There wasn’t a single member of the House or Senate who would put his or her name on legislation calling for more than a trillion dollars in Federal spending in one year.

As I said, the 435 members of the House running for re-election were scared to death of this monstrosity. And who could blame them? So — surprise, surprise — they elected to take the cowardly way out and pass a temporary measure, then race for the doors.

Now the jig is up. How are they going to fund our gargantuan government after Dec. 2? Stay tuned; it’s about to get very interesting.

And speaking of spending, let’s turn that coin over and look at the other side. Where are they going to get the money they are so eager to spend? Quantitative easing (remember, that’s creating money out of thin air) can take them only so far; in addition to Uncle Sam monetizing debt, he actually has to collect some money from those of us who still work for a living.

The name of this game is taxes, folks. And the goal is to see how many feathers you can pluck from the goose before he begins to squawk. Or worse yet, succumbs to being stark naked in the cold.

President Barack Obama has repeatedly insisted that there will be no tax breaks for the rich. A “tax break,” when our spender-in-chief uses the phrase, means allowing some of you to keep some of the money you earn. Remember, the mindset of our leaders is that government deserves every dollar you make, because they will spend it all so much more “fairly” than you would. If they allow you to keep any of your earnings, why, they’re just being magnanimous.

So there you have two of the biggest issues that this lame duck Congress must address. They can’t waddle (or at least not much). They can’t delay (or at least not for long).

All that’s at stake here is government spending and taxation — two of the most important issues of our lifetime. So it’s rather scary to realize that their fate is in the hands of a hundred politicos who have already been fired by the voters back home.

Who was it who said that neither your money nor your property is safe when Congress is in session? He got that right.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • http://none Mike

    Scary and funny all at the same time. Laugh cry or be scared to death.I only hope the newguys get the guts to defund about1/2 of the monster when they take over in january. Mike L.

    • FreedomFighter

      BARRY OBAMA is NOT ENTITLED to TAX anyone to support his bloated ego-centric progressive communist goverment vision.

      We the people decide what is a fair tax for the operation of the goverment, a small leaner constitutional goverment will not require a tax increase, only the ever expanding socialist communist regime Obama and the Progressive left need more money, usually to buy votes.

      Had enough of the Progressive Liberal commies yet?

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • http://www.roman-empire-america-now.com/Roman-Empire-blog.html Douglas C. Smyth

        You guys talk about defunding the government. Well, why don’t any of you ever talk about the $750 billion plus gorilla in the room: the Defense budget? Why must the US spend more money on defense than all the rest of the world combined, and then borrow the money from China/India/Germany/Japan?

        At least social expenditures help some people. Defense outlays create jobs in other countries, like the 1000′s hired to build the new mammoth “embassy” in Kabul and the bases that aren’t supposed to be permanent, but sure look as if they are.

        If we spent defense money at home, on civilian enterprise, like windmills and solar arrays built here, we’d employ about twice what the defense industries do.

        Get real, boys and girls: CUT THE DEFENSE BUDGET!

        • P Howard

          Just another Obama lover. Probably went to Canda to avoid serving his country. If you don`t like the military, go to Iran idiot

          • JC

            I’m no Obama lover Howard, but he does have a point and it isn’t about “not liking the military”. We are not the sekf ordained policemen of the planet, not according to our Constitution anyway.
            And the level of military acyivity we are conducting around the world smacks of Imperialism…not Patriotism and not Security.
            I’m tired of feeding our best and bravest to uselesss causes and you should be too.

          • JC

            Clarification: Smyth has a point…Obama is an idiot.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JC,
            Thanks for that clarification!!! You had me dam worried there for a minute!!!!

          • Al Sieber

            JC, I agree with you also.

          • JC

            Thanks guys.

            This just in…

            UN To Make U.S.”Comply” On Immigration Law

            UN Plan: Carte Blanche Entry For All Illegals Into The U.S.

            http://mail.conservativecontacts.com/hostedemail/email.htm?h=b39da5f6246e8391af48f503554c3a59&CID=7447535019&ch=2566441C0EF38F11CFBFE161DFBA9E3C

          • Kate8

            JC – Me too.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JC,
            My wife told me to tell you that she has to travel to England and France and she is required to carry her papers at all times in both! If the UN is reviewing all country’s immigration laws, where is the review of Mexico’s??? Where is the review of CHINAS???

          • JC

            Odd coincidence that, my wife and daughter just got back from England and France. And yes they were required to carry their documants with them.
            Why not Mexico or any other third world country?
            Because, IMO, they are being used to destroy our culture. No need to keep track when you are trying to create social disorder. The more the merrier.
            But for those of us who are American, Canadian, British, Australian etc…. at birth, we need to be kept in line. Because we have all these silly notions of freedom and liberty and they have to break that at all costs if the NWO is to succeed. It’s a tool of control and power.
            To justify it by suggesting that people need to be tracked for security purposes sort of falls apart when we look at the southern border doesn’t it?

            There are arguments both ways and I don’t mind carrying a passport,
            but there is no “justice” in it.

        • http://sparkysma@earthlink.net Penny R. Freeman

          Cut the defense budget? Have you forgotten we’re in two wars at the moment and if Obama actually manages to use that intellect he is supposed to have we may wind up in a third (U.S./Mexico border). Yes a lot of defense spending is unnecessary, even the military leaders have said so. Those parts of the defense budget could be cut and not harm our defense. But then if you did that just like with a lot of other issues you’d be possibly causing problems for a Senator or Congressman seeking reelection now wouldn’t you? And Congress has done an excellent job of proving to us all that they will go to any lengths to keep their seats and maintain their power. It’s past time WE THE PEOPLE demanded that the elites of D.C. lowered themselves to the level of the people who put them in office. Did anyone miss the fact that every single person that voted in favor of Obamacare was sure to sign on to exempt all of Congress from that monstrosity? And they give themselves an annual raise without having to vote for it. Meanwhile they want to cut SS and Medicare to folks who can barely survive on what they get now! And let’s not forget that any member of Congress who serves one term can then retire and continue to receive THEIR FULL SALARY for the rest of their lives! What’s that salary? About $174,000, and that doesn’t include the healthcare and other perks they get. I’m disabled and have to get by on disability and have Medicare as my insurance because of my preexisting health issues. I nearly lost the neurologist who has helped me the most because Congress didn’t have the will until the last minute to NOT CUT Medicare pay to doctors a few months ago. If they cut it I guess I’m going to have to try to diagnose myself and write prescriptions for my own medication. Or under this new idiot Berwick I guess I just won’t get any care because I don’t deserve it since I can’t work. If Congress is truly sincere about cutting our debt they need to start in their own hip pockets!

          • William

            Amen brother you hit the nail right on the head.Our represenatives should have to abide by the same laws we as citizens do.If it is fair for the goose it is raif ror the gander.

          • BOB

            PENNY IS 100% CORRECT ON HER COMMENT.ONE MORE ITEM TO ADD IS PUT ALL POLITICIANS ON SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE. ( PROBLEM SOLVED ) ANOTHER NOTE NO POLITICIANS ARE TALKING ABOUT WELFARE. ( CUT–CUT—CUT )

          • Eric Bischoff

            Our military budget is larger than all other nations combined.

            So yes cut the military budget, stop all wars, bring the troops home, close the bases and diffuse the animosity towards us in the process.

          • JeffH

            Eric is the enemy, a socialist and an admitted Alinsky-ite…give it up Eric, I for one won’t take the time to “debate” or even discuss your communistic progressive arguements…all you want is “social equality” which constitutes stealing from the “haves” and giving it to the “have nots”. Simply put, the “redistribution of wealth”.

            The American Dream, the rags to riches tales are an integral part of what makes the United States a beacon to immigrants who dream of a better life, not the thievery and deceit being projected by our government representatives. To allow the expansion and continued use of entitlements promotes nothing more than mediocrity.

            The work hard, get rich formula is deeply embedded in the American psyche. For every dynastic family name such as Kennedy or Rockefeller, there are those who reached the top through creativity and sweat, from Sam Walton who built the global Walmart empire from a single dime store in Arkansas, to Google founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin who started their company in a garage.

            Graham, the Brookings economist who studies happiness, said most Americans, including the poor, believe that hard work is more important than luck in getting ahead.

            One can only hope it’s not too late to rediscover the roots of American success, but to all of those like Eric espousing the ideals of Marx, Lenin, Mao, Che and Alinsky I will say this: You’ll get your’s, one way or another, in the end.

            For God and Country…fight the good fight fellow patriots!

          • Kinetic1

            Wow, Jerry. Eric suggests we cut some military spending and you go off on a soap box rant about hard work and the American dream. Tell you what, I’ve been working (real job, not kid stuff) since I was 15. I put in years without a vacation, bought a home, raised a family, the whole 9 yards. I’ve paid my taxes and volunteered my time, and I agree with Eric.

            Marxist, Socialist, Communist, big bad boogie men, shout all you want. Cutting our military and ending the waste of money and lives does not fall into any of the above. Dagney, “Silly Marxist. The only budget item currently going that is Constitutionally MANDATED in the original document is the Military to protect us.” Great! No on said dismantle the military and surrender. Where in the Constitution does it say that we should supply defense forces all around the world? Where does it say that we should supply a protective fleet to Exxon? Why do we escort their ships at no charge when they pay nothing in taxes?

            Get off your high horse and admit that it is wrong to cut social programs while spending a fortune to protect corporations. Admit that it is wrong to leave our own out in the cold while we spend our tax dollars to supply our military to the rest of the western world. There are lots of hard working Americans who have lost their jobs in the last decade. It’s not their fault. They didn’t slack off. Their not complaining about working hard. Their jobs were cut, businesses closed down, and now they need help to get by. So let’s take some of that money that we are spending on fighter jets we may never need and spend it on infrastructure. Let’s close some foreign bases and use the money to build bridges, fix gas and water lines and repair our schools. Let’s stop giving tax breaks to companies that move off shore. Let’s give some breaks to companies that bring manufacturing jobs back home! You want to see hard work? You want to see some pride back in America? Then put Americans to work rebuilding America!

          • Kinetic1

            Sorry, that should have been Jeff.

          • Karolyn

            Well, I guess we have to end the “conflicts” before the defense budget is cut, but it has to be cut. We don’t need to be meddling in other countries’ business anymore. We don’t need our military in Germany and other countries. We won’t need contractors to help us fight anymore either; and if we go back to the soldiers cooking and doing kp, we won’t need those food contractors either. Just cutting the defense budget will do more good than cutting a lot of smaller programs that are more important to the well-being of US citizens.

          • Kinetic1

            Karolyn,
            Military “contractors” are one off the worst curses put on us by the last administration. We all know that the Iraq war has cost us dearly in both money and lives, but it’s been a windfall to companies like Mr. Cheney’s former employer, Halliburton. Just look at the cost to have them and others “support” our soldiers. $1.4 Billion in overcharges from Halliburton, classified by the Pentagon as unreasonable and unsupported. Over $10 Billion in cash and materials LOST by contractors in 2004 alone. $20 billion paid to KBR, a former Halliburton division, to supply U.S. military in Iraq with food, fuel, housing and other items – That’s $20 billion, of which the Pentagon auditors deemed only $3.2 billion “supportable”

            All during his time in office, President Bush kept the cost of his wars out of the budget. These wars were paid for with “emergency” spending bills so that we wouldn’t notice the huge deficits he was proposing. We have been brought to the brink of collapse, almost $900 BILLION tax dollars spent on these wars and the only ones truly benefitting are the contractor and corporations like Halliburton. Tell Eric, Karolyn and me some more about what the Constitution says Dagney.

          • Andy

            If these clowns are so damn happy with this health care, why did they exempt themselves? I say it is because these elitist bastards are part of the “do as I say , not as I do” society. It is just another step closer to communism by the leftists.

          • JC

            Karolyn says:
            November 19, 2010 at 6:33 pm
            Well, I guess we have to end the “conflicts” before the defense budget is cut,

            No we don’t.
            These people have been fighting with each other for centuries. All we have to do is leave the small arms there when we pull out. That would give them the opportunity to go back to what they were doing before we gave them a reason to focus their hatred on us. We pack up, get out….leave the guns…let them finish the job for us.

          • Karolyn

            Uh, JC, that’s what I meant. NOT end THEIR conflicts; end OUR conflicts.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Eric Bitchoff,
            why don’t you try living in some of those other countries you so obviously love better than this one???

        • Dagney

          Silly Marxist. The only budget item currently going that is Constitutionally MANDATED in the original document is the Military to protect us. Other than the Bill of Rights, most of the Amendments passed since, are “progessive” adjenda items that have been incrementally passed under the nose of “We The People” in order to enslave them and steal their property. What is it about you Marxist’s who hate this country so much that everything you want to do is NOT in our Constitution, but everything IN the Constitution you revile and want removed? There’s less than 5,000 words in the Constitution, yet it is the most hated document by the left ever imaginable. Speaks about the elegance of berevity, doesn’t it? On the other hand, Marxists must pass bills of 185,000, yes that is ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY-FIVE THOUSAND words to ensure “We The People” have no idea of the monstrosity, the subjugation they want for “We The People”. I think it’s time we start making the Oath of Office legally binding.

          • Eric Bischoff

            Oh yes a gentler and kinder nation. Who was it that said that?

          • JC

            We need to get back to the Constitution and its basic principles on every level. Doing so will right a great many wrongs.

        • http://yahoo richard

          if the federal govt. would stick to defense as they are supposed to and leave the social projects to the states as they are supposed to every thing would be fine

          • Angel Wannabe

            Hear, Hear Richard!

          • Karolyn

            I think that is highly doubtful.

          • Doug Rodrigues

            Get the US Military out of most foreigh countries. A good example is South Korea, who can afford to pay to enlarge their own military to maintain a secure border. Also stop most foreign aid, considering that most of the countries who receive that aid usually vote against us in the UN. Our politicians, in their mis-placed “wisdom” have our military looking out for the welfare of foreign countries, yet we have an on going invasion from Mexico that threatens to eventually change us to a Spanish speaking society! Who made the US the world’s police department? The UN? To hell with the UN. The origins of the U.N. were based on socialistic ideals. Look it up.

          • Oath2Honor

            It would really help if the United States Government would stop allowing the ‘Enemy’ to enlist in our Armed Forces and have access to our Military information, so that they can sit back and ‘laugh’ as they hand it over to Terrorist Groups and Shaikhs? Security? What’s that? Sexual assault at our airports for a 10% success of actually apprehending a possible terrorist baby? Also, dumping the Marxist Think Tanks would really improve the budget, since they are directly connected to 1,000′s of Special Interest groups who pay off (bribe) Lobbyists in their (co-op’d) Congress. We should also cut spending on the new Socialist/Marxist Welfare credit cards being used at the atm’s by Illegals in Vegas for their gambling ventures and to fund Illegals for their cruises to Hawaii and other vacation getaways. We should also stop voting for any politician who has a proven record of ‘Failure regarding their competence’ to actually successfully manage a local or state budget. Including their failure to actually succeed in managing a corporation, business or any type of organization that they have had authority over. If they were not successful in causing positive growth without leaving a path of corruption and destruction behind them, it is very doubtful that their agenda is going to change when managing our Federal Government. We should take a look at ‘the Regulations’ that have been levelled against the American People and turn the tables. We should pass new legislation limiting and regulating their (Our Politicians’) term limits based upon actual proven success and be ‘specific’ regarding exactly what they are allowed to do and not allowed to do, based upon ‘The Declaration of Independance, ‘the Constitution’ and ‘The Bill of Rights’ or ‘We The People’ should be given the right to ‘impeach’ them immediately (should a majority vote be taken nationally). It should be mandatory that ‘Any Legislation’ that they (Our Elected Political Servants) pass through Congress and the Senate will not allow them any ‘Opt Out Status’. They should be subjected to the ‘Same’ rule of law and regulation that they impose upon “We The People”. Any Politician should not be allowed to decide ‘If they should’ recieve a raise in pay (Including Continuing To Recieve Wages after their Government service to our Country has been Terminated) or an ‘extension of Benefits’, unless Voted on and approved (as a majority nationally) “By We The People”. Since, it has been proven throughout the history of our Country on a continuing basis, that the majority of Politicians have taken advantage of ‘We The People’ regarding this agenda. A majority of the people should be allowed to agree or disagree that ‘They deserve it’ on a reward basis (give the politicians a report card and regulate THEM based on THEIR performance). There is so much more that “We The People” could do about the problems that we have with OUR Elected government, that I could write a book with far more detail about it…on exactly how it could be accomplished. I believe that if ‘We The People’ would step-up as citizens and do this, so much COULD BE accomplished that “Corruption” in our Government COULD virtually be eliminated. Everyone would be amazed at how fast our economy and deficit would be straightened out! Also, the elected officials would actually sit down and ‘think things through’ (using the rule of ‘Common Sense and Sensability-showing their actual ability to reason before making decisions?) before making any decisions on any ‘New Ideas’ that they draw up to push through our Congress & Senate before it is signed into Law? Another idea, is to allow “We The People” to vote on what should be deemed to be scrapped and overturned if it is not useful or causes ‘damages to our God given rights’ according to the Constitution. And by the way, it does state in The Declaration Of Independence that ‘We The People’s” rights are ‘God Given’ not ‘Man Given’…no matter what the Marxist/Communist Politicians have said in the Corrupted Media or ‘ANY’ sitting President, in the past or in the future:

            http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/

            Quote, …….”We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”………..

            Are we going to continue to sit around and grumble or get up and do something about it? We already have the three pieces of legislation that ‘Give Us’ the GOD GIVEN POWER to accomplish a better future as ‘We The People’ in this United States of America, if ‘We The People’ get busy and start working on it?

            ‘Evil Only Triumphs when good men and women sit and do nothing’?

        • Bob Plugh

          Rather than DEFUND the defense department, what we SHOULD DO is to SEND BILLS to the countries whose asses we have been protecting! That’s right, let Japan pony up some billions, South Korea, Taiwan, ALMOST ALL OF EUROPE, etc. We should be able to pay for somewhere between 75%-90% of Defense spending with money coming from OTHER COUNTRIES.

          As to your statement that defense outlays create jobs in other countries, nothing could be further from the truth. The VAST majority of defense spending comes to roost RIGHT HERE AT HOME. The number of companies and people in the US involved with Defense Related work right now is relatively large. In fact, Defense is one of the FEW industries that is still hiring TECHNICAL people in the US and does not OUTSOURCE jobs to other countries (it is forbidden!).

          The defense budget is one of the FEW things that we at least get something for our money.

          What is a HUGE waste of money is GIVING MONEY AWAY to other countries – STOP ALL FOREIGN AID – also STOP AID TO FOREIGN PEOPLE LIVING HERE IN THE US and DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS. Make it a FEDERAL FELONY to harbor an illegal alien or to fail to cooperate with the Immigration department as such. END all these “Sanctuary” areas and, if necessary, put the politicians IN FEDERAL JAIL – at HARD LABOR – yes – let THEM see what REAL WORK is like!

          • Steve B

            Bob…..It makes sense not to outsource defense jobs. And for security of our country that should be a given. But I heard back during Desert Storm that Japan was making parts for some of our missile guidance systems. Truth or rumor…….

          • JC

            America’s defense should be America’s business…period.

          • Charie

            You forgot our good neighbor to the north. They don’t have to have much of a military. They rely on us to protect them. Practically every country in the world does except those set on overthrowing our government.

        • DaveH

          Douglas,
          I agree that we shouldn’t be the World’s Policemen. However, we should arm ourselves to the teeth and punish attackers severely.
          But I disagree that social expenditures help people. They help them be dependent, that’s all. Those who really need help would find plenty from local charities (that is if the Federal Government would quit impoverishing our nation).
          And the windmills and solar arrays are not only eye-sores which to my surprise are embraced by the Greens, but they are also not economically competitive. If they were cost-effective, they wouldn’t need Government subsidies. They would thrive in the Free Market.
          The best hope for our country is for Big Government to get their meddlesome paws out of our Marketplace and leave people alone to do what they do best.

          For Individual Freedom, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, and Limited Government (at all levels) – Vote Libertarian

          http://libertarianparty.com/platform

          • DaveH

            Here is a breakdown of the Federal Budget. I can see several Government Agencies that could be eliminated outright, such as the Department of Education. The Federal Government has absolutely no business in our Educational System. Talk about potential for abuse. Abolish it. Also, the Department of Energy. It has miserably failed its original mandate of making us energy independent. Abolish it. And the Department of Homeland Security. What a joke. It is purely a political tool and a grave threat to our Constitutional Rights. Abolish it. Also, the Department of Housing and Urban Development. We can see what a fine job they have done. Abolish it. There are many others that should get the axe.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_federal_budget#Total_spending

            The Federal Government’s main function should be to protect us from the Force of others and just a few other functions such as coining a sound money supply. Instead they tolerate unsound money and have become the Forcers (who protects us from them?).

          • http://none Mike

            Origanally it was intended for the citizen to protect themselves from the goverment. Through the second amendment and the development of state millitias.Now though thoes same state millitias have been incorperated into the millitary as reserves.And our gun rights have been waterd down so much that what we are allowed to carry are no match for modern millitary wheaponry. This started way back even with Reagen(The Brady bill)They started banning from sale anything that might compete with millitary tecnology. Both assult style weapons and fully automatic wepons were removed from the market.Or the permits to get such were so restrictive and expensive that they were unaffordable by the citizenry. Large caliber weapons came under assult during the Clintion adminastration when they were quietly added to the assult weapon catagory. Ever notice how rare it is to find any rifle over .40 cal(I have a .416 rigby that can penatrate light armor). No this assult on us has been going on for years and years now through the slow implimentation of laws. Because if they had done it all at once we would have rebeled long ago. Mike L,

          • JC

            Agreed on all counts.

        • Doris.Jeff

          When you take away the ‘big stick’ (our military) the bullies WILL come!!! Idiot!!!

          • Vicki

            Doris WE are supposed to be the Big Stick of which you refer.

            “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.”

            Tyrants hate and fear a gun(owner) behind every blade of grass.

        • http://yahoo Lu Ann

          Douglas,
          Our constitution allows for a military to defend our country. It does not allow for “social” programs, so that the government can take from me to give to who they see as needy. But the government sees all of my money as theirs. I say defund the social programs and keep the military.

          • Karolyn

            Yes, and then like many of you spout: cut funding to nonprofits; so then the poor, whether deserving or not, will be out in the streets because the nonprofits don’t have enough money. They are already out in the streets because there’s not enough money! During the winter, homeless shelters cannot even handle them all in the cities. We may need defenses, but we don’t need to have our military all over the world just to be “Big Brother.”

          • Vicki

            Why would that be Karolyn? Are there not charities? Or maybe YOUR pet cause just isn’t all that charitable. Oh and I am still waiting for your address so I can come and claim the abandoned property there for the homeless around here.

          • Karolyn

            I spelled it out for you Vicki. People are not donating enough. Do you think they’ll donate more if funding is cut to more nonprofits?

          • Vicki

            Karolyn says:
            “I spelled it out for you Vicki. People are not donating enough. Do you think they’ll donate more if funding is cut to more nonprofits?”

            Who made you God to say people are not donating enough? Maybe you should talk to your liberal friends and quit stealing from us.
            http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2682730&page=1

          • TIME

            Karolyn,
            In fact its the crazy Marxist and NWO freaks in our governemnt that are working on crushing all 501 C 3′s and any groups that are Charitable.
            They have attcked many who give, and as we do I can attest to such behavior patterns that are breaking at record speed over the last 20 months, its mind numbing.

            In fact if these crazys have their way it would be non benefical to anyone to donate to any Charity’s, and why do you think that is?
            Can you say Top Down, Bottom UP, Inside Out.
            Its a tactic thats as old as TIME its self.

            Two of the Charitys we give to are under heavy attack right now, the local and State crazys are going after them to pay tax’s, Charity based groups that are “not for profit” thus TAX exempt.
            So how long will it be before all such groups are no longer able to fight local & State efforts to extort TAX money from them, then what the Feds step in and kill whats left?

            Marxist don’t like Charity, they don’t like anyone who makes money either, Nor anyone who would chalange their power, all they like is POWER to control your life.

            Ask yourself whats going on with our “Government’s Regulations” is that not total control as in “TOTAL POWER” over others thats then enforced by Police actions and or jail due to absurad laws that are written to take away your freedoms.

            My God people will you all PLEASE WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Our Government is infested with the NWO type’s who are using MARXIST and NAZIS to get the totaly control over all of you.
            And by the way just pick up any history book and read what happened in Nazi Germany to anyone who didn’t drum the Nazi tunes.
            Look into The real Marxist like Fidel, Mao, Stalin etc.. How many Millions must die before you all wake up to whats going on.

          • DaveH

            Here’s another one for you, Karolyn:
            http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html

            Seems like liberals are mostly charitable with other people’s money.

          • Karolyn

            Vicki – Why are you so angry? What I said has nothing to do with stealing anybody’s money. Donations are down, and that is a fact. Food banks are running out of food. the amount of people seeking donations is up and the donations are down. Is that so hard to understand? Boy, I’m glad I don’t have to walk a round with a chip on my shoulder like you do – Always looking for ways to twist peoples’ words to suit your agenda.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Karolyn, if the Government would stop raising taxes, and adding more regulation on everyone, they’re would plenty of money to give to charity___as a result people are forced to cut back to take care of they’re own first!!__so if were not “giving as much to charity), the Government steals it from us in more taxes!__This VICIOUS CIRCLE HAS GOT TO STOP!!!!___ OUR (representatives) get A MAXIMUM of $174 thousand a year to work for us in Washington.___Now who better can afford to help the poor___US OR THEM??____lets think a little here??!!!

          • DaveH

            Wait a minute, Karolyn. Didn’t you complain about the Government cutting funding to Charities? Where do you think Government gets that money that they give to others? Do you think it’s theirs? Of course not. It’s not their money to give. It’s our money. Why do you think it’s okay to take the money of others as though it were your own using Big Government as your bully boys? If the Government weren’t taking a lion’s share of our financial resources to give to people who do nothing for it, then the private sector would have plenty of money to give to really deserving people. And the others that now get the easy money would have to work for it, actually producing things instead of sitting on their rumps getting free money from unwilling donors. Rewarding sloth breeds more sloth.
            Vicki is right to get upset about people helping themselves to her money against her will.

        • old white guy

          ya can’t count china’s defence costs because the u.s. is paying them. other nations are spending a hell of alot more per capita than the u.s. they spend it so they can destroy the u.s.

        • James

          Why everybody hates us is because we go to war with any person’s nation who wags a finger at Israel.

          • Karolyn

            I don’t think “everybody” hates us; but those who do hate us because we think we’re better than everybody else; and everybody is supposed to do what WE w

          • Karolyn

            (slow computer)………what WE want them to.

          • Vicki

            Why would they hate us? We have spent years, millions, blood saving their a s s e s. Are they really that ungrateful? As to Islam they hate us because what we are not what we do.

        • Eddie

          Doug,you have the memory of a dormouse. Let me fill you in a little so
          you can stop being a professional ignoramus. I’m age 67 and retired from working for Department of Defense in 1994 as a civilian my tenure being some 30 years. When Bill Clinton and the go along idiots in the Pentagon went on a base closure spree,we old timers said often enough if they don’t stop closing bases we’re going to get caught with our pants down. Well a few years later along comes 9/11. Clinton didn’t want to acknowledge the real threat of extremist terrorism and could’ve had Bin Laden on a silver platter but ignored the advice.
          So now here you and your whiny ilk come along putting down the cost of maintaining our defense. You want to use the same money for windmills,solar panels,and other “green” jobs. We have to be ever vigilant against the enemy that currently despises us as a nation. We can’t do that with a windmill or solar panel. We need to keep up the provision of necessary funding to maintain that vigilance so in event of attack you and your loved ones remain safe while our defense department blows the enemy out of existence. Try doing that with a solar panel pal. Never take a knife to a gunfight nor a solar panel to bop a jihadist on the head while he’s pointing an AK-47 at your sorry
          chicken little ass.

        • pete seeger

          Ya,a world full of peace love and i suppose real dove,that is not suppose to happen for another 1000,years.All jokes aside,you can not stop the war that is going on, perhaps down grade in some way but not leave entirely.We need to stay there as to keep visuals on there every move.
          with that being said,how about the real issue that is way bigger that just a simple gorilla in the floor of the congress,how about the 15 to 30 million illegal aliens who kill deal, drugs throughout our kids schools,or raping the resources from or government with such programs as welfare,well i just say what it is,free this free that,free medical,free,free,free,and the tally is 305,billion dollars a year being spent on illegal immigration.so,lets take a look at what the war costs,roughly 20,to 60,billion a year,so what do you think is the bigger beast that is the room.i say illegal immigration is taking away resources from our own system,I’m not hateful or insensitive i would like to help out any domestic cat or dog or even a wild goat with rabies, just not the over abundance of the illegal alien who purposely come here illegally with the intent do steal our resources and cost Americans jobs I’m talking about my 16 teen year old son who would work for Mcdonalds but the overbearing illegal immigrants hold or landscaping cutting lawns ect….it’s well past time help to put a stop to this.

        • kilrntex

          Double the defense and use it to rid our nation of the scum that is ruining our country. There should be an open season on liberals, commies, socialist, radical muslims and the illegals calling for revolution(la raza). New black panthers are also a threat. Prosecute the dems who are going out and then go after the ones in office who are responsible for getting us in this mess. Impeach Obama!

          • Kinetic1

            Use the military to clean up the country? I thought this was a site for defenders of the Constitution?

          • JC

            That’s right…and we can get rid of all abusers of the Constitution by whatever means necessary….that includes the commies of whatever stripe. Worried Eric? Because that includes you. You’re a Communist.

          • Angel Wannabe

            At’ what I’m sayin’!__kilrntex

        • Bob

          I live in Huntsville, AL. A huge percentage of our residents have jobs thanks to the Defense Department budget. Ergo, your premise is wrong and your house of cards crumbles. You have been depending on the wrong architect.

        • Bruce D.

          There is no doubt in my mind that we should pull our soldiers out of places like Germany and Japan and build bases for them along our southern border. This would keep a lot of the money in this country circulating . It is my understanding that the Iraq war is winding down and we are no longer in combat there. We should be able to save some money there. Those on the right should demand more accountability from the military budget. I do not think you would have to look to far to find monetary incompetance there. We as Americans should think about taking a lessor role in policing the world. Many nations can afford their own defense and life off our backs. Do not dismiss the lefts call to cut the military budget. We need someone who understands how to run a successful business in charge of the military budget who can iliminate wasteful spending. There is a lot of it.

        • Viktor Leben

          Cutting the defense budget is nuts ! We should increase defense spending ! The military is overextended and doesn’t have enough modern weapons to do the job. I hear Obama cut the F-22 Raptor program ! That’s crazy ! How about some new improved bulletproof vest for all the soldiers ? More armor plateing for vehicles .. etc.

          We send the military out to do a job, then we get all “pacifist” .. leaving the deployed troops without adequate arms. Will you crazy people make up your minds !! If you invade a country or deploy troops your involved until the job is done. You can’t just say “I change my mind, sorry for attacking your country !”

          Grow up !

        • MsLiberty

          DO NOT CUT DEFENSE BUDGET! CUT FOREIGN AID. Charity begins at home.

          • Karolyn

            Foreign aid is a drop in the bucket.

        • ED Howe

          Drink the “KOOL-AID” Doug,

      • Eric Bischoff

        Let’s get real, we the people are fat, uneducated and confused about most of this and too busy just trying to make ends meet. And the educational system and the media want to keep it that way.

        • Dagney

          Speak for yourself.

          • Jana

            Dagney,
            Eric B is a Communist. His ideologies are that of a communist. His parents were probably communists. You cannot trust ANYTHING this poor pathetic man says.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Dagney,
            He IS!!!!

        • Eric Bischoff

          Are you people still stuck in the McCarthy era with your communism paranoia?
          What a bunch of morons!

          • BRUCE

            ERIC,LOOK UP THE COMMUNIST AGENDA OF1963,READ AND YOU AND OBAMA BOTH GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Thought you said you didn’t put with slander Eric?____Laughter!___lol

          • Michael J.

            Eric,
            That’s right, while the commie’s drown in the water that Obama walks on, an army of Joseph McCarthy’s is on the rise. Where will you hide?

          • JeffH

            Eric “the Red”, a good dose of McCarthey as well as Hoover might be exactly what is needed to squash your kind of commie insurgency. LOL!

          • Vigilant

            In watching “A Beautiful Mind” the other night, the Ed Harris character said: “McCarthy was an idiot…but he was RIGHT!”

            Much truth to that. McCarthy’s greatest disservice to the conservatiove cause was to go wild with his accusations, but it didn’t (and still doesn’t) negate the fact that the statist forces of the left are the greatest single thrreat to the survival of this great nation.

            The election of Obama and the rise to power of Pelosi and other leftists has emboldened the communist elements in this country to come out of the woodwork to try and bring to fruition their evil plans.

            The gatherings of the Dems in response to Glen Beck’s D.C. Mall crowd have been loaded with unabashed communist protesters. The pictures don’t lie.

          • JC

            Nope…not stuck there. But everytime you speak it’s a walk down that particular memory lane.

        • TIME

          Eric,
          You are totaly correct that the media want to keep everyone in the dark, how sad is that? Its really no differant than in Nazi Germany oddly the media’s were all owned by members of the The Thule Society, of what oddly enough is the sister group of the Fabian Society, of what is the brother of the Marxist of the world.

          Strange? No not at all its been around for a long time.

          The State run Educational system was changed out in the mid 1970′s, to an {all new format of “Social strctured” education,} in plain words what’s Modonna doing? Who’s the best looking Man / Woman, who has the most money, who is the best NASCAR driver, whats the best band, What movie was killer this year.

          My God its on the telie daily its all about how to make them Stupid and Dumber. Just look at shows like GoodMorning America, or the Coffee Clutch’s with Joy Barnyard and Woopieee Poopie pants. Monday Night Football, Sunday Football, Friday Night Football, saturday Football, NASCAR week, March Maddness. The Shows on the tellie that re enforce mindless behavior. Lacking Creativity, canned Laughs so you know when its funny.

          But then we had the stellar “No child left behind,” where we now have kids who can’t read at a second grade level but can make it to College on tax payers grants?

          Hows that work again?

          You make stupid people who have degrees in mindless twinkie counting. Yea, its all good.

          • http://none Mike

            Time, Would you like fries with that? :) Completely agree with you. Have you ever watched an interview with the star of most collage games? They lack even basic english speaking skills. This has creeped even into the NFL where these guys are supposed to be grown men. They cant even speak in complete sentances (with some exceptions). Gee I wonder why we are becomming a laughingstock around the world. Mike L.

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          Eric off, we? Do you have an Obama Mouse in your pocket?

          • Eric Bischoff

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          • DaveH

            You really are one sick puppy, aren’t you Eric?

            From Eric’s previous comment “What a bunch of morons!”

            I guess I can’t expect much else from a Liberal. Oops, excuse me. I must be politically correct, you call yourselves “progressives” now. Same thieves, different name.

          • Eric Bischoff

            Takes one to know one hey Dave

          • Angel Wannabe

            ERIC, we don’t put up with azzh*les either, but I see your still here?!___Don’t you hear the laughter Eric???

          • Karolyn

            Dave, That’s ripe coming from you. The pot calling the kettle black.

          • Karolyn

            Aangel, You are just as sharp as a tack, aren’t you? :-)

          • DaveH

            Is that right, Karolyn? Show me a single comment where I’ve name-called somebody who didn’t initiate the name-calling?
            I reserve the right to treat people as they treat me. I fight fire with fire. If your Liberal cohorts don’t like it, then they can behave better and they won’t get it.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Thanks Karolyn, I get by!!!! :)

          • Angel Wannabe

            Eric Dumkoff__Thank You for setting the record straight, now take your dollies and go home!

      • http://personalliberty.com frank

        freedom/fighter is so right .Obozo’s COMMUNIST gov’t vision. Maybe alot of the voters don’t realize today that the commies vowed to bury us.Well potus Reagan forced them to stop their evil empire by out militarizing them. Thet they went to theirnext playbook (using the subversives they had here from within ACLU LA RAZA etc.).Obama is just the willing man picked to do the job that Soros and company has picked. to the younger people WAKE UP to this liar in chief and take this country back!.Hopefully we’ve started the process already (nov.2).

        • http://newland65@msn.com chick

          like you said,, education,,,, kid’s dont want to know what is going on… school’s are failing,but it’s not the kid’s fault,, they not the one’s that don’t pay attention,thereating teachers,lack of respect, it’s all the teacher’s.. don’t look at the parent’s,, blame someone else,,, oh that is saved for mister lie in chief

          • Michael J.

            Chick,
            Like you said, education is the key. But it’s not that children don’t want to learn. Children readily absorb the events that transpire within their evironment, whether they be good or bad. It’s up to parents and teachers lead them in the right direction.
            Since the advent of public Education and the more subtle “Political Correctness Police” have come along, a couple of key items have changed.

            #1 was the removal of the ability to discipline children from the parents and teachers tool kit. The liberal left claimed that administering corporal punishment to children produced murderous, raping and otherwise criminal adults.

            #2 was the removal of religous symbolism from classrooms, government buildings and holidays.

            Now that corporal disciplne as well as religous spiritualism has been missing from the home and classroom for some thirty odd years, what we have instead is an unending rash of Columbine type incidents and child suicides which in my mind are a direct result of a lack of discipline that would provide children with a set of accepted societal boundaries, and a lack of spiritualism which provides children with a moral compass.

            Now is when most people say, geez, why did we let this happen? The answer is, we didn’t. Read the Communist Manifesto and you will see that this and most all other deplorable things happening around us today are by design. It is Communist Subversion which moves at such a slow pace it’s hardly perceivable to the eye, while also being as relentless as a glacier in it’s progressiveness.

          • James

            Schools are not failing, they are designed to dumb-down Americans to a third world level. They’re doing a great job.

        • eddie47d

          frank; Freedom Fighter and you are slap happy militaristic narcissists. You glow when it comes to wars and adventurism’s without any concern where the money is coming from or the terrible costs of inexcusable wars. Every department needs to be considered including your sacred military budget.

          • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

            eddie69d, I’m sure that Fidel/Raul Castro would want you in their Peace Corp.

          • eddie47d

            Joe Mengles is calling . He wants you to work for him and thinks you have the talent!

          • Bruce D.

            I agree Eddie47. We need to start finding ways to stay out of war. The military budget can be cut like most things in government without hurting national security. Eddie47 I hope you do not like what is going on in our airports at this time. There are things the right and left could agree on and this should be one of them.

          • eddie47d

            I take a neutral stance on airport security. Although they(TSA) always seem to target the wrong folks. My granddaughter had to throw away 3 items this summer from her bag. X-ray machines must be hard on the frequent flier. Although there is little harm to the majority of people going through these machines they have not fully explained what could happen if you fly often. They take 10 seconds vs. 4 minutes for a pat down. There better never be a strip search on anyone so I would agree that they will try and go farther. Now if a TSA agent gets arrested for any reason inside or outside his job then the punishment should be more severe. (a person of trust).

        • ED Howe

          Couldn’t agree more. Well said!

      • Conservatives United

        Eric,
        I hope that that rich businesses owner that you want to raise taxes on is your employer, and that because he has less money that he that employer has to cut his payroll and lay people off, because he doesn’t have enough money to meet the payroll. Then I hope that the name on the top of the list to lay off is YOURS ERIC.

        Not that you or your liberal socialist buddies would understand, but 2/3 of the quote “Rich” that you and the Illegal in the white House, and Dirty Harry and Queen Nancy Piglosi, and all the rest the the liberal socialists in congress, want to raise taxes on are the SMALL BUSINESSES OWNERS, and the PRIVATE INVESTORS, that supply private funds to these Business Owners. CHECK THE FACTS OUT FOR YOURSELEF. DO NOT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, EVEN THOUGH I AM ONE OF THOSE BUSINESSES OWNERS, THAT YOU TALK ABOUT. IF YOU WERE MY EMPLOYEE, YOU WOULD BE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST TO LAY OFF.

        • Conservatives United

          Got posted on the wrong one. Check Eric’s comments below where this was intended to be placed.

        • Eric Bischoff

          You are obviously confused. I am not suggesting rasing taxes. The Bush tax cuts are EXPIRING. You people want to ask for another UNFUNDED $700 billion tax cut. Why? you can’t complain about the deficit and ask for services for the poor to be cut and then ask for a handout. That’s hypocritical!

          • Conservatives United

            Eric you want to tax the jobs creators out of existence.

          • Conservatives United

            Eric you want to tax the JOB CREATORS out of existance.

          • Eric Bischoff

            It seems to me the job creators got their tax cuts and still they didn’t create jobs and still they outsourced more overseas. Wake up. They take their money and hire Asians to make their products, they are not going to hire you. Then they stash the rest in offshore tax havens so that don’t even have to pay their fair share of taxes.

          • http://yahoo Lu Ann

            Eric is a lost cause…
            Mainly , he does not understand that the Government works for us, not us working for the government. I love it when libs say we cant afford to extend the Bush tax cuts…. Who’s money is it? IT IS OURS, THOSE WHO ARE THE PRODUCERS. Who the Hell are you Eric …to say who gets to keep what they earn. Please find another country to live in , Patriots love this and there is no room for people like you who want tyranny.

          • DaveH

            The deficit is happening because the Federal Government is spending $3.5 Trillion, not because they don’t take enough taxes from the people.
            That’s about $11,300 each for every man, woman, and child in this country. Each year.
            Or to put it another way it’s about $25,000 for every employed person in the country. Each year.
            How many of you would willingly pay over $10000 a year for what the Federal Government does for you? You do, whether you are willing or not.

          • DaveH

            Sure, the Ignorant Liberal Eric tells us to Wake Up. That’s a joke. He will keep issuing that same admonition until we go the way of Cuba. Liberals never learn.
            Did your boss finally get smart and can you, Eric. You sure have been commenting a lot. Or, are you just wasting our tax dollars commenting during work hours on your Government job?

          • Angel Wannabe

            Eric__-UNFUNDED TAX CUTS!, “ROFLMFAO” for YOUR unintellectual information, extending the Bush tax cuts, means the money will stay in our pockets___The Government won’t lose or gain anything and haven’t since Bush puttem in there!!!__I’m LMAO!!!!___Don’t you hear the echos of laughter????

          • James

            I agree, the tax cut shouldn’t be extended unless Congress reduces its spending by the amount necessary to cover it.

          • Karolyn

            LuAnn – And just who are YOU to tell a fellow AMERICAN to leave this country? The arrogance that is displayed by people like you just blows my mind! I’ve asked before, and I’ll ask again, Why can you not allow people to have a view other than yours? Isn’t there an teentsy-weentsy chance that you could be wrong? I allow for that with my own views. NOBODY knows anything for sure! Oh, sorry, I forgot that you do because you have a pipeline to God.

          • eddie47d

            Then LuAnn totally give up anything that the government does for us. We are the United States of America.We don’t always get to pick and choose which government program or benefit is good for us and which one isn’t. You may use that highway and the next person may never use it.You may use mass transit and your neighbor may drive to work. You may use the library or museum and another person may never step foot into those places.We all pool our money together and create a better place for all to enjoy. We all benefit differently but could benefit equally if we choose to do so. When you walk through a park do you stop yourself and say this is not fair since not all taxpayers get to enjoy it. I voted against a stadium in town but the vote was approved and the stadium was built. I have never been in the stadium but maybe someday. That is the way taxes,citizens and the government works. Not everything will go your way or my way.

          • Bruce D.

            Eric we should be reducing taxes not raising them. You forget whose money it is. High taxes and the ability to borrow and print money is why we have a government that is out of control with too much power. Cut their ability to spend money and you cut their ability to take control of your life and freedom. When you take money from one and give it to another it is stealing. Just because government does it does not mean it is not stealing. If you sanction it you are a thief same as way too many politicians are. Just becuse someone has worked hard all their life to have a successful business does not mean it is okay to steal from them.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Eddie my boy____”In Rules for Radicals, Alinsky says: “Here I propose to present an arrangement of certain facts and general concepts of change, a step toward a science of revolution.” He builds on the tactical principles of Machiavelli: “The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-nots on how to take it away.”__

            We already know what you folks stand for___No debate needed! :)

          • Angel Wannabe

            Conservatives United right Eric and his friends wanna tax the job creators outta existance, and the bitch because they can’t find a job, that makes a hell-of-alot-o sense!!!

          • eddie47d

            You make even less sense Angel.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Luanne,
            Eric Bitchoff wants a tax increase to guarantee his welfare for a few more years.

        • dstk

          where have you been they rich employers already cut payroll and laid off many thousand of people, maybe they just don’t need to be so rich and creedy

          • Bob Plugh

            I don’t know what YOU call greedy, but here are some quick statistics:

            Take a look at this page (this is for tax year 2008, so, relatively recent):

            http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

            Bracket AGI Min % of taxes
            Top 1% $380,354 38.02
            Top 5% $159,619 58.72
            Top 10% $113,799 69.94
            Top 25% $67,280 86.34
            Top 50% $33,048 97.30
            Bottom 50% <$33,048 2.7

            So, this shows quite CLEARLY, that the top 10% of all people pay about 70% of the taxes!!! The top 50% pay, for all intents and purposes, ALL the taxes (97.30%).

            So, stop whining, saying the "rich" don't pay their fair share. And, remember, this is WHILE the Bush tax cuts are in place. I, for one, can't imaging someone wanting to make this GO HIGHER. Remember, this is AFTER ALL DEDUCTIONS/ETC are taken into account – this is actual tax paid! The TOP 1% paid 38% of ALL taxes!!! What's even MORE egregious is that the top 5% pay almost 60% and the top 10% pay almost 70% of ALL THE TAX!!!

            Stop saying you need to give the POOR a tax break, because, according to this, they're NOT PAYING MUCH AT ALL!!!

            I DO employ people (I am NOT in the top 1% NOR the top 5%, but I AM in the top 10%) and, if MY TAX RATE goes up next year, guess what is going to happen, PEOPLE WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS. I will probably let 2 people go and the rest will have to pick up their work and become more efficient and work more hours – WITHOUT extra pay. I, myself, will have to put in extra hours to help cover as well (yes, I am not a fat cat CEO that sits in a corner office, I still work and work hard).

            So – go ahead – let those "Bush Tax Cuts" expire and see what that does to the economy…. HINT: It will TANK like a rock.

          • Eric Bischoff

            You conveniently omitted the salary disparity and networth disparity. Include those and then let’s talk turkey. Hypocritical!

          • Eric Bischoff

            A friend of mine in Florida got a refund check of $700K after the Bush Tax cuts. He certainly didn’t need it. He thought it was a mistake and actually he was embarrassed by it knowing the state of our govt and the economy. He didn’t hire more people he stuck in in the bank.

          • DaveH

            Oh, dread, he stuck it in the bank. What is wrong with him? He should have donated to the Government so they could bail out some more Union members.
            What do you think the bank does with the money, Dumkoff? They lend it out, but not just willy-nilly or to buy votes.

          • Michael J.

            Eric Bischoff says:
            November 19, 2010 at 3:03 pm
            A friend of mine in Florida got a refund check of $700K after the Bush Tax cuts. He certainly didn’t need it. He thought it was a mistake and actually he was embarrassed by it knowing the state of our govt and the economy. He didn’t hire more people he stuck in in the bank.

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            Eric,
            Your above post has got my BS meter pegged. Fabri-fictional nonsense aimed at disrupting useful debate and idea sharing.

          • Karolyn

            Don’t believe statistics. I’ve seen refuting statistics.

          • DaveH

            Those NTU statistics come from the IRS, Karolyn.
            If you have refuting statistics, post them for others to judge as did Bob.

          • Vigilant

            “A friend of mine in Florida got a refund check of $700K after the Bush Tax cuts. He certainly didn’t need it. He thought it was a mistake and actually he was embarrassed by it knowing the state of our govt and the economy. He didn’t hire more people he stuck in in the bank.”

            Eric, your take on income tax refunds is ludicrous and extremely naiive.

            A refund is not a gift, it’s not income you get from the government, it’s A RETURN OF MONEY YOU PAID THROUGH GOVERNMENT CONFISCATION OF YOUR WAGES OR SALARY! It’s not money that ever rightfully belonged to the government in the first place.

            It’s obvious you would have preferred the gov’t to illegally keep it for redistribution.

          • Vigilant

            Don’t believe statistics. I’ve seen refuting statistics.

          • Vigilant

            Karolyn says, “Don’t believe statistics. I’ve seen refuting statistics.”

            Karolyn, I’m calling you out on this one. And I’m calling you a person who doesn’t tell the truth. You have NOT seen refuting statistics, because they don’t exist.

            Here’s my challenge: if you can provide statistics from ANY reputable source that conflict with Bob Plugh’s, I’ll not only apologize to you, I’ll apologize to anyone on this site whom I’ve taken to task.

            It takes a certain type of individual to summarily dismiss the facts of an argument that don’t suit their bias. You, and most of your leftie friends, are just such persons. It’s despicable.

            Once again, PROVE Bob Plugh wrong!

      • http://yahoo richard

        you keep forgeting obama only does what soros and the seiu tell him to do

      • George

        Freedom Fighter?In my openion you are just another nut!

        • http://yahoo Robert

          Bob Plugh won’t be happy, until repukes legalize slavery. When is the civil war starting?

      • Bill

        Wish I had said that ;)

      • Carole Howell

        Yeah! those evil unions, the very organizations that literally built the vast (now shrinking as the unions shrink) middle class.

        Liberal commies indeed. Unions IF you think back did not do well in the commie countries. My God! How many of you actually THINK? Let alone think back.

        Well, carefull what you wish for, you and your children and their children are liable to get it, and be squashed by it.

        Does anyone realize that as Unions grew stronger in this country, so did the middle class? And at their height, people had a higher standard of living (in today’s dollars) than we do today. Our wages have stagnated over the last 20 years.

        Maybe I am too hard on you, maybe many of you are just too young to remember back when this country was #1 in in the world for standard of living, production, education, technology, and on and on. All of which we are falling in or failing in today.

        Today for the first time in our history, most people in the world today have a very poor opinion of the US of A. And we are just starting to pay for it now, as no country cares to help us. China is considering not buying anymore of our debt. They hate us so much now they all want us to sink.

        Strange how people can justify borrowing money to pay for wars in countries who never ever attacked us, and at the very same time complain we do not have enough money to pay for Soc. Sec. or Medicare. We are indeed so sick we may be beyond any help.

        And please do not give me that terrorist crap excuse. Clinton’s admin went after the people who were responsible for the first WTC bombers as criminals using Interpol and they were all, every one of them brought to justice and no war was required. Now for over a decade we have spent over a billion a month for these phoney wars that cause the deaths of 100s of 1000s of people, some them our very own, so the richest can get filthy richer.

        And WTF do you people complain about? Gays, abortions, and high taxes and you cheer for the rich to get off easier and easier. Those tax breaks given to mostly the rich (at a time we were at war) were supposedly to stimulate the economy and create jobs. Well, we lost 8 million jobs because of it. Yet people are still calling for the extensions of these very tax breaks as we sink further and further into Banana Republicism, 3rd worldism.

        People say they are against the spreading the wealth ideas of the left, and cheer for the wealth just going one way to the top 2%. The gap in this country between the rich and the middle class in this country is now greater than ever before in our history, and yet you people call for more and more wealth to go to the top 2%. What in the world ails you?

        That growing gap between the rich and middle class is the greatest threat to our national security than any other threat that exists, even greater than our monstrous obscene debt.

        You believe all the lies of the rightwingers, you ignore what they have done to our country.

        I am not happy with Obama either, he is either spineless or crooked or both. We are sick and slowly dying, and you cheer for the very things that are killing us right along with the rest of the world who are sick of us and want us to fall. I am dumb founded. ARE YOU ALL ON DRUGS?, HYPNOTIZED? what?

        We must surely be doomed as you are all clammering for more of what is killing us.

        • Jana

          The only ones getting rich off of the unions Carole, are the union bosses.
          Unions used to be good, now they are no better than Socialism.
          This is what you come up with all of the time, your great blind support of your wonderful unions.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Hear Hear Jana!___been saying that for years_ they’re too big and powerful___we don’t have the sweat houses like in the 1900′s_-they wonder why industry/manufacturing shuts down__-the unions are the main cause for high price of cars_-They price EVERYthING THEY GET THEY’RE HANDS ON OUT OF EXISTANCE!!___Like some one said up farther on the thread I believe it was DaveH, to give credit to!

        • Karolyn

          Thank you Carole!

        • eddie47d

          Thanks Carole, you hit the nail on the head.The more the right tears down and mocks unions the weaker the middle class gets.The more they slam unions the more corporations take away from the workers which further weakens the middle class. The Right loves America, I sometimes think not.

          • http://yahoo Robert

            Thank you Carole Howell, for your talking points above. Is there any solution, other than rebellion? I too, have watched the US’s standard of living sink, in the last 30 years. Yet, there is not any outrage, from any repukes. They applaud workers in manufacturing earning $10-$12, dismiss health care as “Socialist,” and want to grant the rich repukes, more tax breaks. The crisis is bordering, on same scale as the civil rights era. It is a sad day, in our history, and how are so many people, so ignorant?

          • JC

            The value of Union production is not outweighed by the costs.
            Unions are socialist in nature and are therefore self destructive.
            They don’t last because they demand more than they are worth.

        • DaveH

          This is what passes for logic in the Liberal Sphere? From Carole, “Does anyone realize that as Unions grew stronger in this country, so did the middle class? And at their height, people had a higher standard of living (in today’s dollars) than we do today. Our wages have stagnated over the last 20 years”
          That is pure conjecture, Carole. You are making unsupported statements that have no basis of fact.
          You need to explain to me how Union Members taking a bigger piece of the pie benefits the rest of us? It doesn’t. As Union wages grow, by necessity the goods produced by their companies either go up price or the companies lose money and go out of business. In the latter case, the prices for those goods still go up because the remaining competitors can then demand higher prices for their goods. The only people that benefit from the higher Union wages are the Union members themselves, that is until they drive their companies into bankruptcy, in which case they lose too.
          Of course, if Liberals are in power, they bail out the Union companies with other peoples’ money. So, they can survive to screw the rest of us even more.
          There is nothing now, nor has there ever been anything good about Unions. While I do recognize their rights to peacefully organize, that is rarely the case. They usually secure their gains by bullying their employers, bullying potential replacement workers, and bullying potential customers while on strike.

        • Vigilant

          Carole:

          “The gap in this country between the rich and the middle class in this country is now greater than ever before in our history,”

          Name your source and show the stats. You can’t.

        • Vigilant

          Carole:

          “Those tax breaks given to mostly the rich (at a time we were at war) were supposedly to stimulate the economy and create jobs.”

          Everyone got the tax reduction. Continue to play fast and loose with the truth. If the truth will set you free, I’m afraid you’re in for life imprisonment.

        • Vigilant

          Carol rambles on: “Today for the first time in our history, most people in the world today have a very poor opinion of the US of A. And we are just starting to pay for it now, as no country cares to help us. China is considering not buying anymore of our debt. They hate us so much now they all want us to sink.”

          Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn what the rest of the world thinks of us. In fact, given the sentiment expressed by the non-democratic nations of the UN, I’d say, “we must be doing something right.”

          Regarding China, your naiivete in economics is truly amazing. China holds our debt as a means of controlling our foreign policy. We sink, they sink.

          “And please do not give me that terrorist crap excuse. Clinton’s admin went after the people who were responsible for the first WTC bombers as criminals using Interpol and they were all, every one of them brought to justice and no war was required.”

          Clinton’s lack of action against Bin Laden facilitated the death of over 3,000 people on 9/11. And Obama would have Bin Laden Mirandized if he were caught alive. Great people, those Dems.

          “You believe all the lies of the rightwingers, you ignore what they have done to our country.”

          A slight correction to your English. The right has done things FOR our country, the left has done things TO our country.

        • Eric Bischoff

          Carole speaks truth to power

          • Vigilant

            And Eric pees into the wind.

          • Vigilant

            Eric, today is November 27. You are leaving snide remarks today, but I see no logical argument posted to counter mine. What’s the matter? Cat got your tongue?

      • Margaret B

        I don’t know what you are talking about you’ve been watching too much fox news,being that you don’t know that President Obama gave all americans tax cuts, it was part of the stimulus. which if you are a tea partyier, Sarah Palin agreed with doing the stimulus. I saw it come right out of her mouth on TV. And if you have not seen the real news Obama has given 16 tax beaks to small business, big business is reporting record profits this year. If you research you will find that the things the Republicans are saying they are going to do will increase our dept. Their concerns are for the ultra rich while they refuse to help the people in our country that are out of work because of the recession. Insurance companies, Wall Street, and oil companies, and the Koch Brothers spent lots of money to make people think President Obama was screwing the people, because he made laws protecting the peoples interest. Now insurance companies have to give you back money if they haven’t used 85% on your health. Now people that get cancer after paying insurance for years can’t be dropped like my friend who worked at WalMart. We the people have to watch but with facts, verified and looked at, not just accept what these big companies want us to think and vote against our own interest.

    • Lynda

      Boy oh boy, you got that right. Cut all the bureaucracy budgets by 50 percent. Great start.

    • old white guy

      nothing will be rolled back, defunded, repealed or any bloody thing else. these dumb bastards will keep screwing the voters until they die. too damn bad the land of the free is now the home of the government enslaved.

      • ED Howe

        From another “old white guy” I couldn’t agree more. Maybe WITH more emphasis!

    • http://northerndame Sid Coy

      Could perhaps the new congrss be pursuaded to hire some firm to evaluate the wasteful spending. Reagan did in the ’80′s and the dems. and probably repubs too, ignored the recommendations of the W.R. Grace company.
      The polititions are NOT going to legislate to their detriment, we must hold their feet to the fiscal fire and see to it that the laws are changed to benifit the people and follow the Constitution.
      Sid Coy

      • DaveH

        It isn’t just wasteful spending, Sid. They have their hands in too many things that they have no business being involved in.

    • Lewis Munn

      That would be about right. But too many congressmen owe people too much for under the table dealings and promises to ever let it happen. They would be killed by those they would shaft if it happened.

      And we would likely be far better off; tho I am sure the murders would never be solved!

      Too bad the scalawags have too much money and power to be put away quietly. But as long as good men (and women) do nothing, Evil will prosper!!

    • http://none Barb Tomassi

      You lazyass dumbed down dopers and self indulgent cowards deserve the goverment you voted for. Future generations will inherit a dying planet you idiots. Wake up and protest in the streets,everywhere about the coruption you know is happening on a gigantic scale like a cancer. Our grandfathers would be ashamed at the sight of such cowardness, and silence. You will leave a wounded, dying planet that provided you everything!

  • Eric Bischoff

    Oh Chip,

    How do you feel about today’s GM IPO. The most successful IPO yet?

    Does this mean that Obama was actually right in saving the 1 Million jobs and the American flagship of the auto industry?

    Is it possible that sometimes Socialism actually can work?

    They said it couldn’t be done and we shouldn’t do it. Is it possible that sometimes we need to do extraordinary things?

    How do you feel about the Republicans voting down extending the unemployment benefits for people who are still out of work today just before Thanksgiving and Christmas?

    How do you feel about the Republicans wanting to borrow another $700 Billion and add it to the deficit to give rich people who aren’t hiring or stimulating the economy or don’t even need it another Tax break?

    • Angel Wannabe

      Eric__My my Eric we got and early start this morning didn’t we??__The more you Progressives lose, the louder you scream!__The rich already do pay the highest taxes!___
      I can hear your sniveling now, Eric,__ But, But, But, Wahhhhh,___ I’m not getting my fair share of someone else’s money??__Wahhhhhh__Take care of me!_ wahhhhhh__ I can’t do it alone___Help me Washington Wahhh!_
      Hey Bud_Go to Greece or France, you’ll be in great company there, they created entitlement leeches just like you! They’re Government run economies are collapsing and idiots like you want Washington to do the same here.___I believe your an adrenaline junkie or glutton for punishment!__The only reason why you spew your crazy sh*t on here, is because you hide behind a computer screen all day and no one knows who you are._ I trust the pay is well??__And it’s not hard work, the only finger your have to lift is to type on the keyboard?! Liberalism is a mental illness Eric and it’s only cure, is getting ones head out of ones azz for starters. You crack me up Eric, do you hear the laughter???

      • BobS

        :) Nice!!!! Couldn’t have said it better.

        • http://naver sook young

          Angel Wannabe, you go girl! I like reading the posts of a modern day patriotic American woman. Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

      • Debbie

        You go girl! What a great response to another progressive jackass!

        • Bob Wire

          maybe so?

          but GM is back on the big board and still making fine cars and employing Americans. For what ever that’s worth. And to extent Tax cuts will “COST” 700 billion. After 6 years of enjoying tax relief perhaps it’s time for the top 2 % to honor their end of the deal and create that economic growth we’ve been hearing so much about and a few jobs, preferably here in the US.

          I’ve always thought “O” plans to extend tax cut for everyone, his budget projection have been built on the premise they would be.

          It’s a bargaining chip.

          These are “hard facts” that are most difficult to sweep under the carpet when nobody is watching.

          Now wishing to rain on anyone’s Parade I commend all for their efforts and hope to see great things from theses incoming freshmen.

          Rangle has had his day, and it’s been too long in coming, being held hostage by head count numbers and partisan politics.

          • thinking

            GM is back in business! After many retirement plans that had old GM stock lost big time and all those rich investers lost big time lets tax them for their loses and the thousands of jobs lost when GM went bankrupt because of poor management. How long will the management and union at GM last this time? They have much smaller business now.
            Taxing the rich isn’t a whole big crowd either. There are less than 5% of the total poulation and we are going to take all their money? I’d move to another country if I had their money the heck with Obama.

          • Jana

            Without gov.’t bailout they probably would have been back anyway. They would have used good ole American ingeuity and started small and got back on their feet. As far as paying it all back, yeah sure they will. They have been forgiven a large portion of it. Obama couldn’t afford for them to fail.
            Look at Ford. They didn’t take the bailout and they are doing great.

          • TIME

            Bob,
            Ok lets see if logic will get through to you,
            If you have nothing = 0 and you have gotten nothing = 0, then how can you loose something = 0?

            Please explain how that works?

          • Vigilant

            Bob Wire:

            “GM is back on the big board and still making fine cars and employing Americans. For what ever that’s worth. And to extent Tax cuts will “COST” 700 billion. After 6 years of enjoying tax relief perhaps it’s time for the top 2 % to honor their end of the deal and create that economic growth we’ve been hearing so much about and a few jobs, preferably here in the US.”

            You want “hard facts” you say. How about this:

            (1) The government-forced brokerage gave the USG and the UAW 90% of the ownership of GM. At Chrysler, the unions got majority stock ownership. All this because the UAW had extracted such cushy gains from the company over the years that GM had to give up 39% of the ownership to these bastards. Communists are celebrating: the gov’t and workers are now owners of the means of production.

            (2) The above was done illegally and unconstitutionally. To accomplish the above, Chapter 11 bankruptcy law was turned on its head, forcing the bondholders to accept pennies on the dollar. All this so Obama and the Dems could pay back unions for their political support and further insinuate socialist methods into private industry.

            (3) It will still take years and years for the company to pay back what it owes to the taxpayers.

            “And to extend Tax cuts will “COST” 700 billion.”

            Tax cuts are not a “cost,” except in the surreal thinking of the leftists. Continued unnecessary SPENDING is a cost, no quotation marks needed.

          • Bob Wire

            “Tax cuts are not a “cost,” except in the surreal thinking of the leftists. Continued unnecessary SPENDING is a cost, no quotation marks needed.”

            I beg to differ, not if I experience short falls and have to “borrow” the money to make up for the short falls to make up for what “others failed to pay while receiving “discounts” from the original tax structure.

            You are correct only if next years spending cut balance the budget, can you assure us of that?

          • Vigilant

            “I beg to differ, not if I experience short falls and have to “borrow” the money to make up for the short falls to make up for what “others failed to pay while receiving “discounts” from the original tax structure.”

            Truly a masterpiece of nonsensical thinking. “Experience shortfalls?” I’ve experienced shortfalls in my life, and I adjusted my spending patterns, worked to fill the deficit, or borrowed money. I didn’t raid my children’s trust fund or savings account, and I didn’t rob a bank. My kid’s funds and the bank’s money are their own, and not taking it is not a “cost.”

            The government experiences shortfalls because they spend too much, and they don’t “borrow” money from the taxpayers, they treat them as a piggybank.

            “You are correct only if next years spending cut balance the budget, can you assure us of that?”

            The truth of what I say is an independent of circumstances.

          • Vigilant

            C’mon Eric! Where’s your rejoinder? Let’s see you knock the facts rather than run off and hide in your lair when things get hot. You don’t even have the guts to give us one of your clueless diatribes here.

            Truth hurts, doesn’t it?

        • Angel Wannabe

          Bob S, Sook Young and Debbie____Eric is one sandwich shy of a picnic!__The boy has flipped his friggin lid!__Its a trip listening to his rants!!!

          • Carole Howell

            LU Anne, Honey and other non thinkers here, you are not paying for what the government does for YOU sweety, you are paying for what the Gov. does to you baby.

            They gave trillions to the bankers, that is right trillions have disappeared from the U S Treasurey. Lu Anne add up one billion a month that the wars cost us on average a month times 12 and then multiply that by 11 years. Then apart from that add up the billions of dollars that certain companies who were awarded no-bid contracts ripped off the Gov. for. At the detriment of our troops most times.

            Then add that on to the 3 and half Trillion, that is right Trillion that the Pentagon lost, yes, that is right lost, cannot account for and no one is forcing them too. No one is even asking them to.

            You are paying very little my friend, for what the gov. does for you, you are paying for your gov. to rob from you and give to the very richest in this country.

            Look back over history, Thomas Jefferson warned us of putting the U S Treasury in the hands of a Private Bank, he told us what would happen if we did. We did and it has happened and is still happening. He said Private Banks were the greater threat to our Republic and he is right they have caused problems continuously every time they have been deregulated. They caused the crash of the 30s (believe it or not many people got filthy rich over that one) When FDR came in and re-regulated them, the bankers got together and tried to over throw the U S gov. and tried to install a fascist gov. like was in power in Germany.

            One of the bankers involved was Prescott Bush, that is right he is Grand father to Bush. He is also one of the bankers who bank rolled Hitler.

            Our biggest trouble here in this country is we do not know who our real ‘enemies from within’ are. Cause we do not pay attention, we are all way too busy fighting with each other to pay attention.

            It is like we are complaining about a neighbor who is sneaking some of their trash into our trash can and completely ignoring people who are burning our house down to the ground.

          • Jana

            Carole,
            Sadly I do think you are right on this issue. There are definitely thieves in all aspects of life, as well as unknown enemies.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Carole,
            you are only partly right. They are giving a great deal of those taxes to the non-producers and the illegals in this country!!! That will not stop till we get all progressives and down right communists out of our government!!! Don’t like mt facts?? Tough, truth always hurts!!!

        • Bob Wire

          “Bob,
          Ok lets see if logic will get through to you,
          If you have nothing = 0 and you have gotten nothing = 0, then how can you loose something = 0?

          Please explain how that works?”

          hmm? the way you worded your question really fails to have an answer.

          If the fed has budget of 7 dollars and revenues of 5 dollar creates a -2 dollar short fall to satisfy the budget. This 2 dollars is borrowed to keep the government operational and added onto a 13 dollars national debit with both principal and interest to be paid.

          This 2 dollars with cost you more then 2 dollars, you are deferring the cost to later, at a higher price.

          Two corrections exist, balance the budget or increase revenues. ~ preferable both!

          What have I missed?

          Zero’s are not “NO VALUE” numbers You can conceivable have less the zero

      • Eric Bischoff

        Morning Angel,
        nice of you to immediately go for the throat instead of having an actual discussion on some facts.

        What’s with all of the wahhh wahhhh wahhh you all do a lot of crying.

        I was up late and yes I do work in front of a computer. I am happy to have a job for the same company for the last 30 years. So you see I am not looking for a handout.

        And I am not leaving this place so that your thinking can take it back a hundred years backwards.

        You can laugh at me all you want Angel but you did not adddress any of the points I brought up and I do believe they are current and pertinent to al of these discussions.

        For example:

        How do you feel about the Republicans voting down extending the unemployment benefits for people who are still out of work today just before Thanksgiving and Christmas?

        How do you feel about the Republicans wanting to borrow another $700 Billion and add it to the deficit to give rich people who aren’t hiring or stimulating the economy or don’t even need it another Tax break?

        Why are you people glossing over this? Cat got your tongue!

        • Angel Wannabe

          Quite Frankly Eric, Going for your throat is the only option here, b/c your heads still up your azz, and I’ll be damned If I’m going in after it!!!!_There no intelligent discussion with you Eric, I’m a Conservative and your an idiot who thinks he’s got it all figured out!__I’ll let ya to it then!!!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Oh And Eric, I don’t have to addresss YOU or ANYTHING YOU SAY!!!_ If you wanna view that as a WIN, HAVE AT IT, BUDDY BOY!!!!

          • Eric Bischoff

            That’s what I thought, no intelligent life form here.

          • Vicki

            Eric. What an interesting thing to say. Looking in a mirror?

        • http://www.keysinsurance.com Linda

          Eric, there are plenty of jobs out there. People who have been on unemployment for 2 years just don’t want to get off their lazy asses and take them. I have heard some of these people comment that they take in more money from unemployment than what some of these jobs are paying so why should they go and even look for work. Quite frankly, I am sick of supporting all the liberal have nots / will nots, with my tax dollars.

          • Karolyn

            Linda – You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. YOU come here to rural SC and find a job! YOU go to any state with 10-14% unemployment and find a job. Your arrogance is disgusting. I’m sure YOU have your turkey for Thanksgiving. What about all the people who can’t even get one fronm charity because giving is down? How much are YOU giving?

          • eddie47d

            That is hilarious Linda. You must assume that only liberals become unemployed…not by a long shot!

          • Robert S

            Here in North Jersey the Sunday paper used to have 20 pages of good jobs. Today it has 3 or 4 pages of dead end jobs. Unemployment isn’t getting any more extensions and then we’ll see what jobs people can find.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Linda (reposting )__In Rules for Radicals, Alinsky says: “Here I propose to present an arrangement of certain facts and general concepts of change, a step toward a science of revolution.” He builds on the tactical principles of Machiavelli: “The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-nots on how to take it away.”

            This the progressive agenda!!!!

          • eddie47d

            Then both sides better start working together, immediately. The extremists on the right and left are creating chaos without any consideration about how wrong the are.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Well said Linda!

          • Bob Wire

            I’m of the opinion, there is just too many Americans today that have been conditioned by “easy times” they have lose their edge on the Capitalism idea. They wait for someone to find them and offer them a job!

            I have not punched a clock since 1978. ~ I have learned to “make jobs”

            create jobs, it’s finding the demands and creating solutions.

            Don’t get me wrong, ~ things are bad out there today, It’s true.

            I’m dating a 52 yr old lady now that cleans house. ~ She does two and three a day, she contract thu a small company and has her own clients as well. She makes two and often 3 hundred dollars a day, five days a week, every week. Don’t want to work weekends, off by 2;30 to 5.30 everyday and leaves the house at 7.30am. and yes ! she works very steady all day.

            She has held office manager jobs over the years and says, this is much, much better, pay the same ( sometimes better) and no bullshit. People want to hire her full time for their very own, she say no thanks.

            Today, it’s hard to find someone that’s accountable, dependable does good work, works well without supervision and can BE TRUSTED inside ones personal space.

            If you have to lord over someone to get a “one man” job done well and not stolen from, places any employer in a exasperating situation.

            and in many case, that’s what prevents employers from hiring out more work.

            and that’s a shame.

            My father wasn’t the sharpest tool in the tool box in many ways. But he told me, that I couldn’t just be BOB Wire. He said you got to be BOB the PLUMBER or BOB Electrician or BOB the Attorney.

            and so it is, I am know to thousand of people to be “BOB the no excuse and make it happen Guy” I take care of people problems, problems they can’t or just don’t want to personally address.

            Now if you haven’t developed this reputation, skills and history you need to start now. It’s a competitive market and merchandising is very important for plumbers , Walmart and re-claimers alike.

            You don’t NEED a “JOB” you just need a client with a demand. Deal with today, tomorrow will take care of tomorrow.

        • http://yahoo Robert

          Why waste your time, at the PC, defending logic and facts? Repukes won’t be happy, untill everyone is a slave to business.

          All the logic in the world, will not change a repuke’s litle mind.

          When is the civil war coming?

          • Vicki

            I think I would rather be a slave to business then to government. I can change business.

        • George

          Your remarks make more sence than any other I have read here today.I stand with you.

        • Allen

          At this time unemployment pays 90 weeks, that’s 22 months. Originally it paid 26 weeks, that is 6 months. The more you extend it the less likely it is that a person will be looking for employment.
          You are getting to the point where we are paying people not to work.

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          Eric J, No life form here, So why are you here? Just learn to be polite and go in Utopia Cuba and take your computer with you.

        • Carole Howell

          Eric,
          I have to hand to you, you have more patience than I do. She again did not answer your questions, yet she says she can not get an intelligent discussion out of you. LOL She won’t come clean and admit it is because she has NO answers.

          She is little more than a programed robot.

          If I have accused you wrongly Angel honey, prove it and debate the boy, answer his questions like an intelligent person would. Prove you know something. SOMETHING.

          If you can that is, otherwise go on and stick another foot in your mouth and be the fool he implies you are. LOL

          • Angel Wannabe

            Carole____Sixth rule: A good
            tactic is one that your
            people enjoy. If your
            people are not having a ball
            doing it, there is something
            very wrong with the tactic.__
            Rules for radicals___and I’m Still laughing__lol!!!!

          • Kate8

            Angel, Are the libs circling the wagons, or what? LOL.

            It’s impossible to debate them because they are clueless, and well-trained at it to boot. When the sky’s the limit for asinine ideas, it just makes you crazy. That’s the whole point of Alynski tactics.

            You go, girl. You know there are lots of us here who’ve got your back.

            I still think that the best way to discourage them is to just ignore them. (Does it seem that there have been more than usual? Could they be recycling?)

          • eddie47d

            What do you girls call your spin?

          • Kate8

            eddie – FACTS.

          • Jana

            Carole,
            We have debated ERIC on oher posts.

          • Angel Wannabe

            kate__I guess the Progressives are PO’ed cuz they lost some of they’re base__So it makes them nastier, if thats possible and yes there seems to be alot more on here lately!!!

          • http://none Barb Tomassi

            Wheres my comment? Too harsh???

          • libertytrain

            Barb: At 3:06 pm you had a stern comment addressed to “Mike” – is that what you are looking for?

          • Eric Bischoff

            To the post about we’ve debated Eric before. You have to be kidding. Most of your responses are diatribe. When it’s not diatribe it’s just plain clueless.

            Should I spell that out for you:

            Diatribe
            a forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something

            Clueless
            having no knowledge, understanding, or ability

          • Vigilant

            Eric, thanks for your eloquent autobiographical comments. I couldn’t have described you and your methods any better.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Eric, your just a young snip, a young snip who wouldn’t know a hard time if it slapped you across the face__You and your SAVIOR the Government can try to save the world___But you won’t, it’s the individuals themselves, together united, that make up America!___ Hard Times breed resilience/creativity__Phil Collins wrote some his finest songs after his divorce___Eric Clapton wrote one of the finest pieces “Tears in Heaven” after the loss of his son, Conner in a tragic/horrific fall from a high rise building. George Washington’s Army in Valley Forge, had no winter clothing or shoes, they were starving and vastly out numbered, but rose to the cause and made it through.__You go ahead and worship your Government, when they used you useful idiots to the point where you no longer needed, what or who will you worship then???___ My faiths in our God and the people who follow him____The people made it through the Sinai desert the first time with blessings of the Lord, who sent Moses ahead to guide them, we can do it again if need be.

          • Eric Bischoff

            I say clueless Angel because there you go again ASSuming that I love and want big government.

          • Vigilant

            Not an assumption, it’s called “induction,” going from the particular to the general. When you post something that indicates you’re more than a big government leftist, we’ll all change our conclusions.

        • Vigilant

          Eric, if you had a shred of honesty you’d choke it to death.

          “How do you feel about the Republicans voting down extending the unemployment benefits for people who are still out of work today just before Thanksgiving and Christmas?

          “Why are you people glossing over this? Cat got your tongue!”

          “You people?” Nice stereotyping. This cat doesn’t have my tongue, and here’s why:

          (1) The bill was brought to the floor under the rules of suspension, requiring a two-thirds majority to pass, but fell 17 votes short with a final tally of 258-154. If the eleven Dems who voted against it, plus the 8 Dems who didn’t vote at all, had voted or changed their vote, it would have passed. But in your imbecilic view, it’s all the Repubs fault. Do some real research and get away from your leftist propaganda sites.

          (2) The unemployment benefits extension was voted on under the “suspension rule.” Do you have a clue what that is? To quote Wikipedia, “Rules are essential to the regularity of the proceedings. They protect the principles of parliamentary procedure – order, the right of individual members and of minorities to be heard, and the right of a majority to carry out its will. For these reasons, members have a right to insist on the observance of the rules. Yet a member may waive his right and also the assembly may dispense with the operation of its rules.

          A suspension of the rules may be proposed upon a motion. Such motions may be adopted with some supermajority (which is two-thirds of members present unless otherwise specified in the bylaws or constitution).”

          The House had months and months to deal with this problem but failed to do so. Having a substantial majority, the Dems could have easily passed the legislation, but that would not have gained them the political hay of making the Repubs look bad. Taking it down to the wire insured that the rules of suspension would be the only means to vote on it, and requiring the 2/3 majority guaranteed its failure.

          Thus, my communist friend, the Dems are meaner than the Repubs. They set it up to fail because making the Repubs look bad is more important to them than keeping people on unemplyment.

          You asked for facts and now you’ve been provided with them. Do you have an answer for that?

          • Vigilant

            To all: my apologies for the following two postings, they’re duplicates. Sometimes the site goes wacky, and sometimes I do. (:-)

        • Vigilant

          “Eric,

          “How do you feel about the Republicans wanting to borrow another $700 Billion and add it to the deficit to give rich people who aren’t hiring or stimulating the economy or don’t even need it another Tax break?”

          BORROW another $700 billion? What planet are you from, sonny? No one is borrowing ANYTHING.

          Only a real charlatan would try to fob off that kind of infantile wordsmithing and sophistry as fact. The Repubs are trying to stave off the largest tax HIKE and job-killer in history. If the government
          needs to borrow or print more $$$ to meet its “obligations,” then its “obligations” are way out of whack.

          Calling a failure too increase taxes “borrowing” is like calling a leftist “sane.”

        • http://?? Joe H.

          eric bitchoff,
          How often do you dam progressives have to be told that the republicans didn’t vote the extensions of unemployment down, they merely wanted them to be taken from the remaining stimulous funds since they were meant to stimulate the economy and BENEFIT the WORKERS!!! Obviously you andothers like you don’t have functioning eyes or ears!!!

          • Angel Wannabe

            JoeH, The Progressives are grabbing at straws cuz they’re running outts Ammo!? ;)

      • Cliffystones

        I got a glimpse of Harry Reid yesterday stating how not revoking the Bush tax cuts on the rich was going to “cost” the government several trillion. Cost? What a concept! Now it’s already their money! Nitwits.

        This may come as a shock to you Eric, but I (like most honest Americans) DON”T WANT the rich folks money! I prefer earning a living on my own, not getting some forced handout.

        Let that wanna-be God George Soros give all of his money to the Feds if he so desires. Oh wait, I forgot. He’s too busy giving his billions to prop up his evil organizations who would like to force their idea of One World Government on the rest of us!

        • Conservatives United

          Some how Liberals have this idea that we have to pay for TAX CUTS. This is insane, as the name tax cuts are just what it implies, THAT WE PAY LESS IN TAXES, so why do those morons, think that we need to pay for something, that is not paid for in the first place. What the liberals do not understand, is that they NEED TO STOP SPENDING LIKE DRUNKEN SAILORS, AND THEY THEN WOULD NOT NEED AS MUCH OF OUR MONEY.

          • Bob Plugh

            WELL SAID!!!

            Government HAS to get it out of their heads that it is THEIR MONEY because it IS NOT, it is OUR MONEY that THEY ARE TAKING!!!

            And, yes, THEY SHOULD LESSEN SPENDING!

          • Allen

            Hey, even a drunken sailor stops spending when he is broke.

          • Eric Bischoff

            You all talk about the government like it’s an evil corporation that is completely separate from us. It is what we allow it to be. It is people making laws for us. It is our government, our services, our unfunded liabilities, our budget, our taxes, our wars, our greed, and our stupidity.

            You can’t have it both ways. You can’t claim it’s the best country in the world and the best system in the world and when things aren’t going well totally denounce any responsibility for how screwed up we’ve become.

            It is we the people. Unfortunately we the people have become greedy idiots.

        • George

          I bet you and others that follow your ideas will be crying the loudest when they are out of a job and going hungry in the streets.I can hear you now.

        • TIME

          Yes Allen,
          A drunken sailor stops drinking and spending – but a Drunken Frat Boy just keeps on rolling, as Mommie and Daddy pay for it.
          Now can you see why this goes on.

          Mommie and Daddy will pay for it, aka the American Tax Payer!

          We just moved the drunken Frat Boys out of the Frat house and into the DC Belt Way.

          • Eric Bischoff

            You mean Frat boy as in mommy and daddy are rich republicans.

          • Vigilant

            Another witless comment.

        • Carole Howell

          Cliffstones, (what an apt name)

          Talk about your nit wits. Never in the history of the world ever has a country cut taxes at a time of War, never ever, til little ‘w’ did. It was a Bullet Train into debt hell, and look, we are in debt hell. It was absolutely insane.

          And here we have you Stoney, cheering for more, more, more. Dig us in deeper and deeper and deeper. What the hell man? What the hell? Just because our ‘Gov. lap dog’ MSM does not talk about it. (I will give you 3 guesses why) Does not mean WE can’t. It was a recipe for disaster. You do not cut taxes at a time of WAR. Do you just get your talking points from MSM? Ya got none of your own. Come on.

          CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT? CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT? Never in history, ever has a country cut taxes at a time of War.

          And people, the economy fell in this past decade, we lost 8 MILLION JOBS, during that time. Please, Please try hard and think. After 12 years of tax cuts to the rich and the loss of 8 million jobs, why in the hell are cheering for more, we are still at WAR people.

          Hmm….now lets think a moment…..under Clinton…hmmm…thats right taxes were higher and low and behold, the economy grew by leaps and bounds, he left a budget for Bush, that if he had followed, would have grown into a surplus of Trillions over time.

          No don’t give me that Terrorist argument, don’t want to hear it. Cause after the first WTC bombing, Clinton treated those criminals like the criminals that they are and he used the international law enforcement agencies of the world (INTERPOL for one) hunted down each and every one in record time and they were all brought to justice. Every one, no exception. We did not invade any nation to do it.

          What Bush gave us pales in comparison. I am not really a Clinton fan, but in comparison to Bush, hey! no contest. And our enemy list grew and grew and grew.

          Practically the whole country is on some kind of dope. Or maybe a form of ‘Mad Cow’ disease. There seems to be so little brain matter left to think with these days, for many people anyway.

          Don’t get me wrong, I do not think I have all the answers, or that I am overly bright. But tell me, which was the better way cost wise and effect wise, to deal with the terrorists who attacked us? Clinton’s way? or Bush’s way? Bush did not send anyone after Osama. And when a group surrounded him on their own in Tora Bora, they were told to stand down. Remember?

          Who thinks it is a smart idea to cut taxes at a time of war? If anyone, please explain why? Don’t just call me names, answer the questions. Explain.

          • Eric Bischoff

            Right on Carole.

            And I would add;
            Can you not understand from history that every time taxes on the rich have been high as in very high we’ve had the safest and most productive periods and every time they were slashed low, rich people speculated and blew up bubbles right and left.

          • Vigilant

            Oh, this is rich! A left winger arguing AGAINST liberal Keynesian economic theory.

      • eddie47d

        More shameless drivel from dear Angel. What a phony-You are sitting behind a computer also (oh, you didn’t notice) Is your pay good or are you only accepting baby food with all the crying you do? You are the one with the mental illness if you can’t answer an opposing view without screaming and throwing a tantrum. Now take you’re blankie and crawl back in bed.

        • Conservatives United

          Eddie,
          BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH,BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH

          • eddie47d

            C.U. Was that you’re level of education dear fella?

        • Angel Wannabe

          eddie, waz the matter, didi ya feel left out?__You guys kill me, ya think no one can resist your attacks___ats pretty funny___have fun!!

          • Conservatives United

            The first thing you need to do to talk to a liberal is get down to their level of education and understanding. I do think that all Liberals would fail on “Are you Smarter than a Fifth Grader”. No change that to ARE THEY SMARTER THAN A PRE-SCHOOLER”????

          • Angel Wannabe

            Conservatives united___Eric and edeeeee are paid antagonists, they have to be, b/c no one could come up with the most ridulous, idiotic stuff that they spew,__at times, it’s almost non-sensical_-Like Alice in Wonderland!!. Thats why I retort a few times and then let’em go to have at it__ and just shake my head and snicker!

          • Carole Howell

            Angel,
            Look around at your company, just look, you are surrounded with other blow hards who cannot answer any of the questions either, you are hanging out with losers.

            Set a higher standard for yourself.

            Eddie, I swear, I really am worried about some of the people on here no joke, they are either very young kids or hey! Mad Cow?, dope? or somethin?

          • Kate8

            Carole, You don’t get your questions answered because there is no point in beating our heads against a wall. Your questions are answered over and over and over and over…You guys just are incapable of getting it. Your minds have one track, and it’s crazy-making.

            I have brought up quite a few points, myself, with some of the libs, and get no response. I take that as a win. So feel free to do the same, because we all know the truth and, after a taste of what it means to have your side in control, don’t really feel interested in much you have to say, let alone what you think. THE TALKIN’ PART’S ABOUT OVER. We kicked the commies out before, and will again.

            So knock yourselves out, guys. No one’s listening.

          • Karolyn

            You and your friends absolutely sound like you’re on a playground! :-)How old are you? 10?

          • eddie47d

            You are still empty Angel so give it a rest.

          • Kate8

            Karolyn – Trying to reason with Lefties is like trying to wave away flies. Eventually the aggravation gets to be more than one can bear.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Carole, Quite, frankly why, strike up a conversation with people you don’t agree with??___ your point of view has no bearing or interest to me__and I’m certainly not gonna change my mind__Beside your not gonna say anything new about your Progressive theories, they all point the same direction____CONTROL!__BUT_HEY_ HAVE A NICE DAY! :)

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Angel Wannabe,
            It’s that control thing. As in “you HAVE to like me and talk to me or I’ll stamp my feet and hold my breath till I turn blue”!! They accuse us of being ten year olds then act like them!!! All in the name of their hero, Nobama!!!

          • Angel Wannabe

            You got that right JoeH!

          • Eric Bischoff

            Angel that would please you to no end if we were paid antagonists, because then it wouldn’t throw your brain into a tizzy. How could Americans think this way. Why can’t they all think like me. How is that possible?

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          eddie69d, Take your blankie, be polite and go yourself.

          • eddie47d

            Now that is soooo original WIA….did you loose your hooch again or maybe you had a little toooo much.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            No, edduhhh47DUHHS!, it’s your progressive stench!!!

      • http://http// sarahb

        Amen and amen!!!
        Note to Eric B, The poor wouldn’t be poor if they had gotten off their butts when there were jobs available and worked?? Oh no??? why work when fools like me are forced to support them. You keep talking about cutting tax on the wealthy, They already pay more tax than anyone else!!! lets use 10% as an illustration. 10% of $250,000 = $25,000. 10% of $30,000 = $3,000 thus the wealther person paid $23,000 more even if the poorer person paid 10%, which he don’t. Actually, everyone should have to pay the exact same percentage of tax. Why should one man have to pay more to live in the US than another just because he is smarter and works harder? I’m sick of paying for the poor to buy their booze, drugs,cigrettes and cell phones. You sure as heck don’t see one of them without a cell phone at their ear and a cigrette in their mouth.

        • http://none Mike

          Sara, Answer. H.R. 25 the fair tax. No money removed from anyones earnings. Only on the spending habits.Larger tax base=more money to the goverment. But its just too simple for most people.And the left does not like it because they cant punish/reward anyone through manipulation of the tax code. I just wish it would happen though. Because its not going to nither side wants to relenquish their power over your wallet. Mike L.

        • Carole Howell

          Sarah,

          You are one sick —–. We lost 8 million jobs, 8 MILLION, all those people got themselves jobs when there were jobs.

          OMG!!! what are you people on?

          • Jana

            Carole,
            Your response is exactly why we don’t bother to answer you all any more. You didn’t even get what she said. Its because you all have blinders on. Thats all right, go ahead and make cracks and gloat, but you are wrong.
            I have just gotten tired of hearing your garbage.
            I am out of here. Just thankfully the American people woke up before it is too late.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Jana,
            you get a big 10-4 from me!!!

          • Vigilant

            Carole says, “OMG!!! what are you people on?”

            We’re on an obviously futile quest to educate the programmed and inform the ignorant.

            One thing we’re NOT on is welfare.

      • http://yahoo Lu Ann

        you go Angel!!!

        • Carole Howell

          Luann and Angel,

          I do not know what you think the repukes are going to do for you or what you think they are going to change.

          But I can guarantee you, you will not be happy, cause there are so few people in the WH, Senate, or House of Representatives that will do much of anything to improve anything for the people of this nation, right, left or middle. Cause they are all bought and paid for. We will continue to be ripped off. Just you wait and see.

          And why do you ignore my question about lowering taxes during a time of war? Why do you refuse to see the disastrous stupidity in that?

          If I am wrong, please explain how I am wrong. Explain.

          I have seen many people here who show you facts, facts that can be checked. You still have nothing to say but name calling.

          More news for you all. If you take us apart, each one of us you will see we are all made up of some liberal and some conservative parts, no one is all one way or the other on all subjects. Unless they are severely unbalanced.

          • Angel Wannabe

            carole, your words>” And why do you ignore my question about lowering taxes during a time of war? Why do you refuse to see the disastrous stupidity in that? “___My response>>>___ And what body part do you wish to sell, in order to get more taxes from us???__ Job loss stats aren’t going down a whole hell-of-a-lot!!____Feeding Families and shelter comes first!!!__NOT ENTITLEMMENTS<, WASHINGTON CREATED THIS DEPENDANCY___lETEM DEAL WITH IT!!!___WERE ALL TIRED OF PAYING SOMEONES ELSE'S WAY!!!____SOMEONES GONNA GET HURT!!!___Obviously the Washington elite don't see it that way___AND if they let the Bush tax cuts expire, your gonna see a hell of a lot more forclosures and soup kitches open up, than thery're was in 29!___at the hands of the Government!!!!__Things weren't good the last two years of Bushes office___Progresssives HAD THE MAJOIRTY THEN TOO!!!__Progressives are creating this whole mess!!!!___AS FAR AS THE REPUBS GO, THEY ARE ON NOTICE TOO, AND THEY KNOW IT, WASHINGTON HAS PROVEN ITSELF UNTRUST WORTHY!!!__-

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Angel,
            Go get em’!!!

          • Vigilant

            Carole says, “And why do you ignore my question about lowering taxes during a time of war? Why do you refuse to see the disastrous stupidity in that?

            “If I am wrong, please explain how I am wrong. Explain.”

            OK, you ready for a shocker? YOU ARE WRONG!

            And you are wrong because to liberals such as yourself, the Holy Grail is TAXES. “Spending,” on the other hand, is a word liberals need to look up in the dictionary because it’s something they never talk about. Wrap your head around this: if we reduced all unnecessary social spending in this country, we could probably fund three or four full wars and still have room for hefty tax cuts. PLUS pay down the deficit.

      • Margaret B

        Yeah well will you start crying when you find out exxon mobile pays no taxes at all? There is only approximatly 250,000 rich people that will be affected by putting the rates back to what they were during the Bush years. They don’t even care, They can afford it, and they have said so. The GOP have said since President Obama got into office that they want him to fail, the only thing about that is that we the people are also failing to be able to make a living. I have not seen any sincere proposal for he;ping us be able to, just concern for the Rich, insurance companies, oil, and last but not least speading dangerous hate and lies.

    • THIRD PARTY

      Dude,your a moron,the people will not be able to buy any of the toxic stock,remember everyone who lost everything THAT HAD STOCK IN THE G.M.COMPANY.ONLY CORPORATIONS WILL BE ABLE TO PURCHASE,LIKE GEORGE SOROS AND FRIENDS,WAKE UP AND READ THE FACTS ABOUT GM.

      • Eric Bischoff

        I may be a moron but it is still the largest IPO in history

        • FirinPin48

          Not so fast, I’m hearing that GM was lying about the report ( playing with the numbers again ? ) how stupid would that be.

          • Allen

            Business as usual. Cooking the books is what they do best. Shoot, the Government hss been cooking the books for decades… just look at how Obama has his people showing our country rising out of a recession, while we are still losing jobs, growing the debt and the defecit and printing money faster than any country in history.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Or creating so many jobs yet the rate of 9.6 never wavers!!!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      No Eric. He should have let GM and Chrysler get what they deserved, which is disappearing. They have mismanaged their business for so long, that no, they did not deserve to receive billions of OUR dollars to reward them for bad behavior. Now I think in going on with the lefts political correctness stance on everything, that Honda, Toyota and Ford should all be given billions also. Oh, wait a minute. I forgot. They actually know how to run their business, and they dont need it. Let the suckers collapse, and someone else with a better way to do things would step up and make cars. Thats the beauty of the free market system. But when the government interferes and plays favorites, bad things will happen. And this is just a band-aid pal. Its throwing good money after bad. These guy will sink the ship again, and it wont take long. Already, the unions and the corporates are fighting over who gets to rape the company out of more cash. The unions are wanting pay raises already, and the corporates want government permission to start writing their million dollar bonuses. This same behavior is what got them bankrupt in the first place. And they will go there again. I am against the government backing up any business and propping them up. Its totally against the free market system that is the best for all of us. If you sell something I want, Ill buy it. If you dont, I wont. Its that simple. But we cant have the government meddling in the public business sector like this. I mean look at the things the government runs now, and how their track record is. Social Security – broke. Medi-Caid-broke, Medicare-broke, the U.S. Postal Service – broke. The public school system – broke. They have proven over and over they should not be running things, as the havent a clue. And even after all this, there are people like you on the loose that dont learn from history, and you want them to run health care the automobile industry. Simply amazes me as to where some like you can actually convince yourselves, and others, that this is a good idea. Amazing.

      • Dr. Mabuse

        Well said Big B.
        If you or me lose money at any enterprise that we may endeavor in, who’s gonna bail us out? (LOL!!!) A big part of the problem is that our “government” is merely an extension of Goldman Sachs. Their priorities are diametrically opposed to the will of the people. (Both Conservs and Progs)

      • Conservatives United

        Back in the 1930′s, that is exactly what happened to many Auto Companies, they went out of business. Fortunatly that was mot one of the mistakes that FDR made (He made plenty of them that did not help the nation, and made many things worse and prolonged the Depression), by bailing out companies that coould not succeed on their own.

      • sylviam

        And the reason SOCIAL SECURITY is BROKE is that *THE GOVERNMENT* *BORROWED* $40- or so BIllion $$$$ and has *NEVER* put it back, from SOCIAL SECURITY, but then thats the way it goes.
        If WE THE PEOPLE *BORROW* money WE HAVE to pay it back and again the *GOV* does NOT HAVE TO.
        If yu are a politition you can do it & never worry, but John Q Public would have to go to JAIL.
        GOD BLESS AMERICA

      • Carole Howell

        Better yet he should have especially let those huge crooked banker get what they still deserve. Trillions went down those tubes.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Berberoni,
        the problem is they AREN’T broke as long as they have progressives in power to bail them out with OUR tax money!!!

    • http://msn Kerri

      Erick: We are not going to borrow anything. These are not tax cuts that have to be paid for. They already exist. We are not talking about tax cuts we are talking about no raise in taxes. A big difference there.

      • Conservatives United

        I think it shows that Eric is a product of the government schools, that are more concerned about POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, than real learning.

        I know that that fact first hand, as my wife and I spent 46 years as teachers in the Governemt Schools.

        • Carole Howell

          Better Eric went to Public School, than no school, he is surrounded here by obvious ‘drop outs.’

          • http://?? Joe H.

            yeah, like YOU!!!! Babe, I got a degree, have you?? Oh, and as far as your 10 year old remark? That degree is 34 years old, from Ferris State College, Big Rapids Michigan!

          • Vigilant

            Carole, that was a most stupid remark.

            I’d rather be surrounded and associate with “dropouts” who have a better grasp of reality, and honor our country’s traditions, than a million elitists who are “educated” idiots, from whose maw comes the vitriolic and propagandist tenets of communism.

    • Ruby

      Eric said:

      “How do you feel about the Republicans wanting to borrow another $700 Billion and add it to the deficit to give rich people who aren’t hiring or stimulating the economy or don’t even need it another Tax break?”

      What Washington doesn’t apparently understand, and they’re giving a VERY false impression of, is that if job creators (supposed “wealthy”, which is another topic for another day) wouldn’t have such heavy tax burdens, they WOULD hire more jobless folks. That brings in ANOTHER tax payor into the fold. Imagine that, Eric…MORE tax payors. Golly, gee. That’s why lower taxes work best for the economy!!!!!

      • Conservatives United

        Well said. Thats what Ronald Reagon did. He created over 21 million new jobs, and brought unprecedented revenues to the Federal Government. The only problem was that the Liberal Democratic Congress, kept spending more and more, instead of reducing spending.

        • alpha-lemming

          Yes… the figure being bandied about (and it sounds exactly right), for every $1 of increased revenue taken in, (80s) the feds (dem/prog/commies) spent $1.78. On what??? Themselves!! More bureaucracy to micro-manage us and their accompanying agents (making twice the salary/percs of the private sector). Small wonder the national debt will take in excess of a generation to correct.

          STILL my favorite Reagan quote on how DC sees business…

          “If it moves… tax it, if it keeps moving… regulate it, if it stops moving… subsidize it”.

      • Carole Howell

        Golly Gee! Ruby, Golly Gee, they have had 12 years of the tax breaks we should be rollin in jobs now huh?

        Hey and Ruby check out how many corporations get out of paying any taxes at all, they have such clever methods of getting out of it, sending their profits to front companies first to one in one country then to another in yet another country. And these same huge corporations are the very ones who out source American jobs to India and other places.

        But Ruby if it makes you feel better honey you just keep cheering them on, while you and yours are on your way to the poor house cause everybody has to believe in somethin, even if it is wrong.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Golly Gee! Carole, Golly Gee!!!!___Ya want straighten some of this sh*t up___He’s a couple ideas for ya

          (1) Get rid of Federal Reserve
          (2)Wanna create more jobs?__Then provide incentives for Industry & manufacturing to return to the US___STOP High Tax, Regulation and Control.__ Like it or Not__ successful Corporations took the risk THEMSELVES, WITH THEY’RE MONEY, at building a business whether they succeed or fail!__Why should YOU or ANYONE ELSE reap ANY rewards, for that of which you didn’t contribute anything too???___

          (repost again)>>>>In Rules for Radicals, Alinsky says: “Here I propose to present an arrangement of certain facts and general concepts of change, a step toward a science of revolution.” He builds on the tactical principles of Machiavelli: “The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-nots on how to take it away.”

          • MsLiberty

            Angel, what’s with all those_________????? between sentences? Better pay attention to spelling.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Thanks msliberty, you just mind your own business an keep holding up that torch in the harbor?__sides I do what I want!!! :)

          • libertytrain

            And Angel, this Libertytrain enjoys your writing —- thanks!

          • Al Sieber

            Angel, you covered it all, keep up the good work and keep the info flowing……

          • Angel Wannabe

            Al Sieber & Liberty Train___Thank You!! :)

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Golly Gee Carole,
          They would be rolling in jobs if the progressive unions weren’t raising prices so much that the jobs are going out of this country just to be competitively priced!!!
          One little tid bit about your hero Nobummer. He was the first president in the history of Harley Davidson to cause them to open an assembly plaqnt in India!!! THE AMERICAN ICON HARLEY DAVIDSON!!!

    • Conservative at Birth

      Evidently you are not a fan of the Ten Commandments. Thou shalt not covet. Are you aware that the tax cut to be extended for the middle class will more than double the cost of the tax cuts extended for the so called rich. It is not a cost anyway. It is our money. They need more and more until there is none left to collapse the American Economic System. If you are so in love with socialism, why don’t you move to Cuba or Venezuela? As I stated previously, I will gladly chip in to buy your ticket and anyone else who chooses to join you.

      • Ruby

        I’m in, if it’s a one way ticket. Let him “earn” a ticket back, if it isn’t the utopia he thinks it is.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          ruby,
          I’m in as well, if it’s one way!!!

      • Carole Howell

        C at B

        If you are going to point out Socialist Countries, why don’t you mention the ones with the highest standards of living, with the best health care and the ones with the lowest number of criminals, the ones that are the safest in the world. The ones who are on the average the happiest, the ones with no poverty at all. At all.

        We have a lower standard of living, more people in prison per Capita than any nation on earth. Our health care is way down on the list of industrialized nations also. And unlike Cuba, we have not had strangling sanctions on us for 60 years.

        That is so like kicking someone who someone else is holding them down for you. How cowardly of you. How extreme right wing of you.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Carole, then tell your damn Government to get they’re fists out of the peoples backs, then we would flourish__its pretty simple!!!

          • Carole Howell

            Angel
            Notice they deregulated the banks, the banks had no fists in their backs and LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO THE WORLD, just look. You think we need no laws at all on anything? Really?

            But I will tell you what with the system we have now, where the laws only apply to the rest of us, and not to the people at the top. We may as well have no laws.

            Read your history, when this country was at its best there were laws everyone had to follow, all industries were regulated. Now there is very little regulations for big business and small business that try to compete have to jump through so many hoops it is just ridiculous.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Carole, the reason you think there is no regulation anymore for big business, is because most of them have been driven off shore!!!!__people don’t start business’s to give away free benefits, while I think most of them pay a decent wage and take care of they’re workers as best a s they can____people start business’s because of a dream and a desire to produce something perhaps no one else has!___Let me tell you something__in 30 years period in our area,(I researched it) 20 manufacturing and industry has been shut down. Number one cause was union, second was tax & regulation and the EPA!___Whats the point of the Government, The Unions and the regulation, taking everything a company has, to the point the whole damn factory shuts down????_–If they’re is no profits, whats the point???

          • Angel Wannabe

            Carole __if ya get the damned Government outta the way the free markets would flourish and thats NO BS!!!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            angel,
            They want to strangtle our industry with EPA regulations while China puts out three times what we ever did!!! Why the hell do we have to make up for them by our people losing everything they own and starving??? Let that all-powerful UN put sanctions up against China and let us get back to what we do best, taking care of our own!!!

          • Angel Wannabe

            At’s what I’m sayin JoeH!!!__These damn young snips are reciting talking points, half of them weren’t even a freakin twinkle in they’re Mama’s eye, when America was at her finest. When Mom and Pop business passed down through the family. When farmers were still plowing and hauling in hay til midnight or two in the morning. When industrial plants still had 3 full shifts and 2000 plus employees and most all industry & manufacturing flourished.__The Government these kids worship today are the very ones who have practically drove it out of existance_ and the idiots can’t see the forrest for the trees!

          • Vigilant

            And take the cows with you. Cows can be contented but have no freedoms. I prefer to soar with the eagles in the bracing air of liberty!

        • Vigilant

          “If you are going to point out Socialist Countries, why don’t you mention the ones with the highest standards of living, with the best health care and the ones with the lowest number of criminals, the ones that are the safest in the world. The ones who are on the average the happiest, the ones with no poverty at all. At all.”

          Where the HELL do you get your ideas from? I lived for over 19 years in Western Europe and I can tell you from first hand experience about the shitty health care systems in the Netherlands and England, something we’ll all experience if Obamacare holds sway. How about having 18-19% tacked on to every purchase, from restaurants to auto purchases? Do you like paying 3-4 times as much for gasoline as we do here? No poverty at all? You’re delusional. Perhaps chronically high unemployment and anemic economic growth rates are your thing?

          Well, move to one of those countries whose virtues you extol, live there for just one year and then come back and talk to us.

          • Angel Wannabe

            You Go Vigilant!!!

    • Paul

      What makes you think it ‘worked’? With no government involvement, here is what would have happened:

      1) Federal government saves tons of taxpayer money.
      2) Poorly run company is reorganized in bankruptcy court, selling off profitable assets to pay off debtholders and restructuring into a smaller, more profitable business.
      3) Unprofitable parts of GM are discontinued so that nobody wastes resources on them anymore.
      4) Unions realize that they really can kill the golden goose when they force unreasonable work rules and wage demands upon a company. Future Labor/Management partnership is enhanced.
      5) Stockholders and Management of the poorly run company pay the price for their poor decisions.

      Unfortunately, because of our ‘we can fix it’ government, we got none of these benefits. All we got is a bunch of people who think they will always get bailed out regardless of what poor decisions they make. No personal responsibility.

      • http://personalliberty.com Rolychick

        Paul:

        You are spot on! Thanks for leaving the name calling out and just stating the facts.

    • urstrange

      Eric you’re showing your “liberalism is a mental disease” credentials. When O.Stalin took over GM it wasn’t socialism in action…it was fascism. O.dodat then handed the assets over to the Working Party of Unionized Thugs (UAW) and bankrupted the private investors…the shareholders. Gov. Motors then paid off their 1st bail-out with their 2nd one, paid huge bonuses to the D-Rat operative President that the faux POTUS had appointed and received waivers from Obamacare on the Union’s bloated benefit and pension plans, which were the catalyst for the demise of GM, received plans to subsidize the over-priced golf cart…the VOLT, and are now working on an “no taxation” plan so Gov. Motors can offer a falsely valued IPO based on the profit bubble created by the Obamanation convoluted propaganda of Government Motors “success”. In a real world, not controlled by the poser POTUS, GM would have filed Chapter 11, made the UAW remove their “boot on the throat” of the company and restructured themselves to success and remained a private company not a government owned feather in the Fascist in Chief’s skull cap.

      • George

        Screw you and your and your far right wing attitudes!

        • Vigilant

          Typical leftist reply, long on insult and short on facts.

    • Commonsense

      Eric, tell me, if GM is so set up then why did it take out a loan, ask for more afterwards, and then have the gall to pay it back with stimulus hand outs, It borrowed our tax dollars, squandered that, it asked for more and was denied. and then when stimulus money is handed out, for their employees and infrastructure, they instead turn around and use it to pay off their loan. All I can hear is HANDOUT, HANDOUT, HANDOUT!

    • Conservatives United

      Eric,
      I hope that that rich businesses owner that you want to raise taxes on is your employer, and that because he has less money that he that employer has to cut his payroll and lay people off, because he doesn’t have enough money to meet the payroll. Then I hope that the name on the top of the list to lay off is YOURS ERIC.

      Not that you or your liberal socialist buddies would understand, but 2/3 of the quote “Rich” that you and the Illegal in the white House, and Dirty Harry and Queen Nancy Piglosi, and all the rest the the liberal socialists in congress, want to raise taxes on are the SMALL BUSINESSES OWNERS, and the PRIVATE INVESTORS, that supply private funds to these Business Owners. CHECK THE FACTS OUT FOR YOURSELEF. DO NOT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, EVEN THOUGH I AM ONE OF THOSE BUSINESSES OWNERS, THAT YOU TALK ABOUT. IF YOU WERE MY EMPLOYEE, YOU WOULD BE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST TO LAY OFF.

      • Bob Plugh

        Remember back in the bad old days of Bill Clinton. He was only going to raise taxes on “millionaires”… Then, one day, taxes were going to be raised on people making $250k and up and he reasoned that by saying “Well, they’ll make a million in 4 years”!!!

        Fast track to the present…
        Barry Soetoro, aka Obuma Hussein, wants to raise taxes on anyone with a job, reasoning that even at $7.25/hr, they’re really a millionaire because they’ll make a million dollars in just over 66 years of work!

    • http://personalliberty.com frank

      Eric read this you are HOPELESSY LIBERAL!!!!!!!!!.lol lmao what a jerk.

    • http://personalliberty.com frank

      Eric read this you are HOPELESSLY LIBERAL!!!!.

    • Jim

      Eric

      I have an Idea. You liberals always want to help others so badly, which is admirable. The unfortunate part is that you always want to use other peoples money instead of your own. I hardly ever hear of liberals adopting (unless they’re gay and want to further their agenda) or running out feeding the hungry like the conservative (usually religious) groups do. The number of liberals must outnumber the homeless. I think you guys should put your money where your mouth and each of you take in a homeless person until their are no more.

      • Rowdy

        The problem with that philosophy is, where are you going to find a homeless person that will live with one of the liberal progressive socialist puss faced snobs?

      • Carole Howell

        Jim,
        How do you know that the people you are talking too are not the very ones doing just that. Running Food banks and Soup Kitchens? Why do you assume they are run by conservatives? I can tell you they are not. The Conservative outfits who claim they do so much, take so much off the top for themselves very little goes to the needy. They are all for making a profit even if they are just running a charity. So- called charity.

        I have volunteered at many such places in various cities in several states and in Food Pantries and Food banks and other such places. I am telling you true, I never ever worked along side a person who considered themselves a conservative or a Republican. Of course that is just anecdotal on my part, but it has been my experience, in Oregon, California and Utah, and Utah is a very red state, I should have encountered at least one republican, but no never, not even one.

        I can tell you, if a person is really homeless and destitute in Vernal Utah, he/she could go to the food pantry there once a month and get sometimes quite a bit of food (enough for the whole month? No.) There is only one church in Vernal who operates a Soup Kitchen, and it is only available once a month. Yes that is right, one time a month. They offer soup to go, cause they are too small to offer a sit down place to eat.

        I know churches do a lot of work in this area, but there are just not enough of them that do. And many of them insist you are of their faith to get help, not all of course, but most.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Carole<<< Conservatives give to charity with they're own hard earned money___Progressives use someones elses!!!_-Just because soemone has the good fortune of being wealthy doesn't mean they stole they're wealth!!!!

          • Karolyn

            Angel – What the hell does that have to do with the soup kitchens Carole was talking about? I think you’re goin’ off the deep end.

    • http://newland65@msn.com chick

      over 400,000 car’s brought into the US form korea.. they took 6ooo car’s.. now that really seem’s fair.. tell how much most country’s send the US, and how much they recieve in return…. what about how much other country’a pay their employee’s… how much do their CEO take in?????

    • ConServ

      Yo stupid! Maybe it didn’t occur to you that the combined bailouts for GM, Chysler, and their financials entities owe “we the people” a collective $70B in bailouts $$…Get real moron, you call that success? I call it payback to unions (UAW)that don’t allow a voice from other Independants and Republicans that are in their ranks. Rather they steal their monies to foster a joke like O don’t blame me Obummer’s wishes. It’s idiots like you that are easily rendered useless to your pathetic cause….Socialism. I WANT MY MONEY BACK!!!!

    • S.C.Murf

      Ya lets offer up GM so that China can buy it up and in 5 years move it over there. Hell of a success story.

    • james

      The last trade of GM stock at about 1:15 was at 33.11, high today 34.+
      Gee, the wonderful and highly sucessful venture by the US Govt. under the auspices of Obama and his merry band of crooks just as soon as GM hits $50.00 a share we will be even.
      A bit more than $17.00 per share, hmm, stime ain’t doing to good as others have noted.
      Impeach and remove from office.

    • DaveH

      Wow, Eric, everytime you talk you say something more ignorant than your last. GM is trading for about $34 currently. It will need to rise to over $50 before the taxpayers break even. You should buy some. Buy a lot. Put your money where your mouth is.

      For the good people on this blog, that advice is only for Eric. Not you.

    • Al Sieber

      Yeah well, why did GM cut my mothers medical benefits, and other employees too, after 35 years of faithful employment? this question is to Eric, other progressives, liberals, commies, etc.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Al Sieber, They did it to my Dad to Al. right after my Mother died in 96. He llost all his Medical benefits & death benefit, while retaining his pension__ His company was the first to do it.__Here is my take on it. (most won’t agree though)__I think these companies gave out going retirees, benefits packages & pensions, as a Thank You for years of faithful service. Like anything else over the years ALL COSTS, tax, medical costs, cost of living, coupled with company prouction cost (tax regulation) have risen dramatically___ the costs have caaught up and are now outweighing profit, I don’t think the companies can afford it anymore AL. I think it was bound to happen__Any Ideas Al???

    • ED Howe

      How good is that “KOOL-AID”, Eric?

  • Eric Bischoff

    You know at times like this I daydream and I come up with strange ideas.
    But then I tell myself. Why not? This isn’t so strange. This isn’t impossible. Aren’t we all Americans?

    If there is a disaster we show up and we give, so we have a disaster now so why don’t all of the wealthy people who are living very well come forward and volunteer their tax potential an unneccessary tax break to support our fellow Americans that have been pushed unto the unemployment rolls as they have cut jobs and closed businesses because of the wreckless gambling of a few who ended up with 100 million dollar bonuses as they destroyed the world’s economy.

    Shouldn’t the ones who can most afford it right now pitch in?

    Or will DaveH, AngelWannabe and Vicki yell and scream screw them they should get a job.

    • Teresa

      Eric, I think a majority of the wealthy Are the politicians…why are they not doing their part to the dept and donate a higher percentage in taxes? Or use same medical benefits as Americans? Do you do your part in asking your congressman these questions?

      • Nancy

        Because they don’t pay their taxes.

        • Ruby

          Good one!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          They dont pay taxes. They dont pay for their expensive restaurant meals, we do. They dont pay for their transportation, we do. Then they get this huge pension for the rest of their lives for serving two terms. Quite amazing, how they make sure they are taken care of. If they showed this kind of compassion to the citenry of this country, it would be much better for all of us. Instead, their selfish greed makes them pretty much only worry about what they can get. And its getting worse.

      • Eric Bischoff

        Well they are wealthy and have actually gotten wealthier in the last few years but they aren’t anywhere near being the majority. Wealth in congress was up 16% in 2009. There are 261 Millionaires, 65 of them have over $10 M, Darrell Issa tops the list at $303 M

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          And you can bet Eric, that the taxes these rich guys pay, blows away what levels you and I pay. Ill guarantee it. Then also, figure in the jobs their business’s create, and the tax revenue that creates, plus the income tax all their employee’s pay, and its quite a few bucks going into the coffers. Now keep attacking them and taxing them to death, where they finally have enough, and move overseas to escape this tax burden, and who is left to make up this shortfall? Thats right, you and I and the rest of us working folks. So maybe we should just back off of them, be thankful for the millions of dollars of taxes they pay, and be thankful for what we have, instead of being greedy and wanting more. Sounds like a politicians way of doing things, when it fails with that approach.

        • BOOKER

          Eric in NY, THE UPPER 1 % INCOME EARNERS PAY OVER 71 % OF ALL NY REVENUE.

          • Eric Bischoff

            Assuming that you are right about the numbers, they also own 90% of the wealth. A simple math statement is not enough to paint a whole picture. Sorry it’s a little more complicated than that. What is your point?

          • Doris.Jeff

            Eric,
            If you spent less time in front of your computer then you could make your millions THEN YOU could give yours away – you know ‘show them how it’s done!’

          • Vicki

            Here are the numbers to support Bookers claim. Though slightly different they clearly show the rich pay way more than the middle class or the poor.
            http://www.american.com/archive/2007/november-december-magazine-contents/guess-who-really-pays-the-taxes

            Eric claims that they also own 90% of the wealth. He however fails to prove or even offer evidence so I assert that he is incorrect. :)
            Time for Eric to do more then talk.

          • DaveH

            Fabricated Facts are the Hallmark of Liberals, Vicki. You don’t really expect him to back up his claim, do you?

          • Vicki

            No but I like to remind other readers that his proof by bald assertions is poor debate. It is probably why he and other liberals start ad hominem attacks so frequently though.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Man O man Eric you are obsessed with the wealthy aren’t ya???

      • Conservatives United

        I believe that 9 of the 10 richest in congress are Liberal Democrats.

        • Eric Bischoff

          Yes but who cares what you believe

          • Conservatives United

            Eric

            TRUTH HURTS!!!!! Time to change the subject!!!!!!!

          • Allen

            Typical Liberal reply. Show your colors Eric. You DON’T care what others believe, only what you and the Party Line believe. Just like Madam Pelosi’s statement that the average voter is too stupid to know what is good for them.

          • Vicki

            Is there someone (besides Eric :) ) who cares what Eric believes? :)

            And he accuses us of having nothing to say :) Hi Pot. /wave Name here is Ms Kettle.

          • JeffH

            Vicki, eddies7d and Karolyn have a certain affection for Eric with all of his Marxist diatribe and vitriolic propaganda.

          • Vicki

            I know. He speaks to their brainwashing. I recognize it cause I defeated that brainwashing in myself. Am still working on other elements of it.

          • ED Howe

            The same people that believe U know whay U R tallking about.

    • GooseCreek

      There is nothing stopping the wealthy from sending checks to the government now, I’m thinking about Michael Moore, Bill Maher, Streisand, et. al. who bitch and moan about others not paying their share. Cut ‘em a check libs!

      • Angel Wannabe

        Goosecreek, and what kills me, are the people who’s benefited most by a capitalist system, are the ones against it____”IT JUST MAKES NO DAMN SENSE!!!!!!”

        • Ruby

          Commonly known as greed, selfishness, narcissism, oh-poor-me attitude.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Eric… If they took all the money that was spent and will be spent on pork barrels projects that don’t mean squat, there would be money to use for more purposeful things. You just need to find out what kind of projects your representatives got money for that don’t amount to jack and suggest it be used in the areas you think it needs to go. Let us all know how that works out for you….

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Yeah, like when John Kerry used public land and construction departments, at the tax payers expense, to make a pull over in front of one of his mansions for his wife to be able to have the limo driver pull into. Or like all the cash Rangel pulled in, and still insists he did no wrong, and all they will do is slap him on the hand, instead of putting him in jail where common criminals like him belong. And he isnt alone.

        • eddie47d

          Heck,look at all the criminals on Wall St that never went to jail.What a den of thieves.

        • james

          When will obama be impeached? He is working his skinny butt off to destroy the USA and should be tried for treason, he and the injustice dept. are suing Az. and refuse to enforce the laws of the land.
          All so when did it become law that people or nations have a legal standing in the court system of the United States?
          It may and I guess that it is something assumed by some politicans and judges who are not familiar with the laws of the USA?

          • Bob Wire

            hardly worth discussing, ~ do yourself a favor and give up on some pipe dream of Obama being impeached. It’s not going to happen and there’s little need of continually bring it forward without evidence of high crimes and treason, while all you carry is ahead full of rumors and bad ideas and political spin.

            And I don’t think “O” sued the state of Arizona but blocked and asked the courts to review the constitutionality of their proposed laws. ~ as I’d want any Administration office holder to do. Arizona managed to get some of what they wanted while the bill of right was honored. So why the sour grapes?

            get real, ~ you are victim of listening to too much “pre-chewed” commentary with a horrendous politic bias.

    • Nancy

      You know the biggest reason the jobs are gone and businesses have closed? Unions demand very high wages for shoddy work and refuse to let any one be fired for shoddy workmanship. Break the union stranglehold and our jobs will not go to China and other places. If I was very wealthy, I would keep my money instead of putting out product I would be ashamed of and would not personally use. Get rid of unions and have a head tax instead of an income tax. The best birth control in the world.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        If I owned a business, and my workers were going to dictate to me how much they made, and work when they felt like working, and not giving a crap about the company they work for, Id close that business right now. I worked in union shops for 13 years, and it was unbelievable the waste and the cost to the companies I worked for, and un-fathomable the crooked things that guys did, got caught, and basically got a 3 week paid vacation for it. They would call them fired, then the union would come in, and the guy would be re-instated with back pay for the 3 weeks he was off. There were guys stealing stuff and falsifying time cards, just to get an extra 3 week vacation, and they did it over and over and over. And the company put up with it, rather than be forced by the union to spend a bunch of money in court, as that is what they force companies to do with lawsuits. What a bunch of crap. Guys worked when they wanted to work, and told bosses to screw off or Ill get the union on you, and the bosses backed off. No, I would not allow a union in my company either. No way, no how. They may have been a good idea in the beginning, but now they are the worst thing ever to happen to American business. Why do you think it costs 10 times more to build things in Massachusetts and New York? The unions are owned by the mob, and you will pay them what they tell you to pay them, and no other reputable contractor can come in there and bid on jobs, or the mob will whack them. They are a bad, bad thing, and need to go.

        • Eric Bischoff

          That’s a close minded view of the world. It’s not as black and white as you paint it. The Mondragon company is very successful right through the last 2 recessions. All 85000 employees are equal owners in the company and they have a stake in how well their company does. They have Unions, The German auto industry is heavily unionized and doing quite well. Unions can work. It’s amazing how many of you have bought in to the wealthy plutocracy’s bull to destroy unions as if they are the problem. I’ll agree with you that some unions have problems and are corrupt but that does not mean that we should never have unions or that they are the main problem.

          • Conservatives United

            NO Eric, that is not a closed minded view of the world. It is called REALITY, a word (Reality)that you and most Liberals do not have in your limited vocabulary.

          • ValDM

            Eric,
            Yesterday I suggested you acquaint yourself with the writings of Ayn Rand. Today, I’m suggesting the same thing. The very things you are trying to say don’t exist, she will tell you that they do. While these books are old (by your standards), they still speak volumes about our time now. That’s because she lived through them in the USSR before she emigrated here to escape “socialism”. Start with We The Living. Go on to Atlas Shrugged. Lastly, read the Fountainhead. You need this education more than I can express.

          • Eric Bischoff

            Oh Please I read Ayn Rand then I grew up.

          • DaveH

            You must mean Grew Down, because you certainly aren’t an example of a mature person. Unless you attribute forcing your way on others, and stealing the property of others to adult behavior.

      • Eric Bischoff

        That’s right blame it on the immigrants then blame the unions then blame goverment.

        • eddie47d

          There is plenty of blame to go around on every issue yet few will admit it.There are terrific working conditions that unions have fought for, and every job (union and non-union)have benefited from those advances. I also agree that unions spend too much time and effort defending lazy workers. I was in the union for 40 years and have seen the hard work they do and then they go and blow it on some putz caught stealing.You really have to pick your battles.

          • http://none Mike

            Eddie, I liked the story that ran a while back on NBC no less(I think).It was about the laid off GM workers that were being paid to come in sit in a room allday read books watch T.V eat and generally just have a good time. This was set up by the union and called a skilled worker pool.GM was forced to pay these people 30$ an hour for this labor. What a joke and we wonder why they were in trouble.This was probly only the tip of the iceburg of what was really going on. There was another story ABC I think. About Saturn workers smoking a joint before clocking in and smoking dope in the break rooms.Unions saved these bums jobs too. Mike L.

          • DaveH

            Well, what do you know, Eddie has come out of the closet. Now I understand where he is coming from.

        • DaveH

          Unions achieve their gains at the expense of the company owners, at the expense of the potential replacement workers, and at the expense of the consumers who must then pay more for their goods. And worst of all, they do it with coercion and force.
          Now they are even stooping so low, with the aid of Congressional Democrats, as to attempt to deny their fellow workers a secret ballot in Union Elections. Heaven forbid that they shouldn’t be able to know who to bully into accepting them.

      • ED Howe

        Nancy, how inciteful! U R the type thinker that we need. Continue speaking OUT!

      • Bob Wire

        Why must you keep blaming liberals for everything? ~ evern if you were correct!

        You think disposing of Liberals is going to bring back jobs?

        What a joker you must be.

        America jumped into the information ages with both feet. ~

        If Business couldn’t push a button and make money ~ big business outsourced it! ~ down sized America,s labor force. ~

        Maw Bell was one of the first, ~ laid off thousands of people and out sources everything they could,

        The GOP held the administration branch 22 of the most recent 32 years.

        It wasn’t like the GOP just wasn’t around.

        You can’t correct anything if you just want to go around assigning blame even if you are correct! and since you are not correct makes the possibility only more remote.

        Hey ! Big Business is happy today! their profits swell in excess! and you seem to love and defend big business, so why are you not happy too?

        You think a liberal did that? ~ You think unions demanding a livable wages did that? You want to live in a grass hut and drive a Vespa to work?

        I think you need to get a grip on yourself and realize American’s has got more enemies then you know.

    • http://msn Kerri

      Erik: The wealthy already pay the majority of the taxes. We have a country where 50% of Americans pay taxes and the other 50% don’t but acually get money back. When all American’s start to put in to the system then they can bitch. And two years of unemployment is far too long. It’s time for ALL Americans to belly up and pay their share.

      • james

        Kerri, many people have no idea how much tax one is subjected to if they live in NYC, my son lives in NYC and the taxes he and his wife pay are over 50 per cent of their gross income.
        And when obmummer care goes thru? A good chance that their taxes will increase at least another 10 per cent, and their combined income is less than $400k per year.
        And NYC is so cheap to live in, you can get a fairly nice, small 2 bedroom apt. for as little as $3 grand a month, and a nice two bedroom in the city will cost you close to $5 K a month.
        Is it any wonder that the mfr. industry is leaving New York, Calif. and other states with robbery of the public tax gouging?
        The people of the USA needs to demand that aid to other countries be stopped until further notice, we would be smart to bring home our troops from Korea, where we have been bogged down since what, about 1960? And just wtf do we have to show for it?
        We have been flying out of England since 1942, I was an air traffic controller near Oxford in 1957to early 1959, then in Spain.
        The base in England, USAF/RAF Brize Norton is still open and going strong, the base in Spain, USAF/ ZARAGOZA IS now run by Spain and is no longer under the USA control.
        We as a nation are borrowing billions of dollars a month and what do we do with it? HRC just gave $150 MILLION DOLLARS TO THE TERRORISTS NATION, PALENESTINE, just how stupid has state dept. become?
        Our nation is falling down around our ears and what is not falling down is being destroyed by the current crop of crooks in Washington DUMB CRETIN capital of our great nation and we will become great again, if we take control away for the eliteist crooks, such as charlie rangel, john kerry, the clintons, and about 90 per cent of those in power at the present time.
        Its all most too late to counsul or to pray, we need some thinking people in DC and they are in short supply.

    • Conservative at Birth

      Can you define American? Is it someone who believes in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution? I don’t think you like either document.

    • Cliffystones

      “Shouldn’t the ones who can most afford it right now pitch in?”

      Again Eric, not forcibly. If another person is wealthier than me, it’s none of my GD business, nor the government who is supposed to represent us all, rich, middle class and poor.

      The bigger point is that that money probably will not be used to help those truly in need, but will be pissed away like all of the other trillions of dollars that are spent but accomplish nothing. With all of the money spent on “stimulus” they could have just written each citizen a big fat check. But no, that would give economic power back to the people, and they think that we are to simple minded to know how to spend money wisely.

      • DaveH

        From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs. Now where have I heard that before?

    • Andrea B

      Eric-

      I don’t care if I was the richest person on the face of the planet, I would not give ONE RED CENT more to our govt than they already steal, and I will tell you exactly why:

      Our fed govt has proven, over and over, that no matter HOW MUCH money they steal from us, they will waste it.

      Do you know that if you add all the bailout money, stimulus money, TARP money, cash for clunkers money, and now the QE2 money together, and divided it by the number of taxpayers in our country, that EACH taxpayers household would’ve received more than $50,000? I don’t know about you, but I sure could’ve used some of that! And it would’ve actually STIMULATED the economy! Think of all of us taxpayers, the unemployed and underemployed included, getting a tax rebate check of $50k. We could’ve paid off our debt, and purchased items WE wanted, rather than politicians injecting it to their elite friends and themselves.

      But maybe you’re right…maybe they DO need more…and more, and more, and more…

      The amount of money our fed govt has at its’ disposal is NOT the problem…it’s how they choose to waste it.

      • eddie47d

        I wouldn’t get to giddy on that theory! If everyone got $50,000 the majority would blow it and want more the next time around. Americans don’t have all this credit card debt because they are wise shoppers.They live in the moment and want instant gratification.

    • DaveH

      Hey, I think I located Eric’s long lost brother:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skU-jBFzXl0

      • JeffH

        …didn’t recognize him without the sunglasses…LOL!

    • Vicki

      Eric Bishoff writes:
      “Shouldn’t the ones who can most afford it right now pitch in?”

      They did. They hired people. At least we are told by the Government that people were hired. Or is that just another government lie?

      Eric: “Or will DaveH, AngelWannabe and Vicki yell and scream screw them they should get a job.”

      Probably not since we don’t tend to yell and scream and recommend odd use of screwdrivers. They should get productive though.

  • Eric Bischoff

    The secret to living is giving.

    • http://foundersrevolution.blogspot.com/ Patriot1776

      now that is finally a post that is truthful! The secret to living is giving. But NOT at the point of a gun. when we are forced to give it is called theft. no matter who is doing the forcing.

      • Teresa

        AMEN

      • http://naver samurai

        100% agree! Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • jimbo

        Taking by use of force, sounds pretty much like pure EXTORTION.

        • Dr. Mabuse

          Exactly right !!!
          Some of my Native American buddies concur also.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Amen Eric. I give credit where credit is due, and you hit a grand slam on that one pal. You are absolutely correct. And true wealth is measured by what a man gives, not by what he accumulates.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        But also let me add, as the Bible says, be a cheerful giver. It does you no good if you do it because you feel like you have to, or if you are forced to. It needs to be done out of the goodness of the heart, freely giving. Now when the government comes and says they need to take from me because Im a hard worker, and give it to Joe Crack head sitting on a porch drinking 40s and smoking crack all day, because he doesnt have a job, well then, we have problem. I will not be a cheerful giver of that, and will resist someone else telling me who to give to. Giving is a decision of the heart, not something to be forced by the government or anyone else, lest it do you no good.

        • Ruby

          Hear! Hear!

    • libertytrain

      The secret to living is giving freely by choice not demand of government or by those who feel they deserve to take freely what another has worked for – that’s called stealing.

    • http://www.keysinsurance.com Linda

      Feel free to give me all you like.

    • alpha-lemming

      Kudos to ya!!!

      Just be careful of “copyright infringement” or encroachment with regard to religious charities. Then again, government IS your religion so you’re probably safe.

    • DaveH

      Don’t let Eric kid you. The real secret is that he’s talking about giving other peoples’ money. Not his own.

    • Vicki

      Eric says:
      “The secret to living is giving”

      So when is the government going to give us our money back?

  • nancy shank

    I don’t think anyone should be forced into unions. Especially law enforcement. In rural areas you may have increased taxes and less people applying for volunteer positions of firemen.

  • LiarsMustBeDefeated

    The posts, so far, esp. Eric, have nothing to do with the main article. I picture a huge garbage truck full of garbage. What I think is the point is how we allow this lame duck session of Congress from the beginning. With high speed communications, et. al. what is really needed is a constitutional amendment that eliminates the lame duck monstrosity. I would go one step further. To distance the congress making emotional decisions right after the election, have a some kind of moratorium on ANY legislation within 30 days of an election. In other words, tie their hands to prevent more damage when things are hot.

    • Teresa

      good suggestion

    • BobS

      Yes, Eric seemed to lead us off the path. The reason GM stock is doing so well is that the free market system is working, NOT Socialism. If the annoited one had left them alone instead of wanting to feel like a dictator GM would have straightened out and traded just as well or better. GM hasn’t paid back any debt. They just got money from another pocket.

      • Eric Bischoff

        Can’t you people be honest once in a while and admit that this world and our precarious situation is a little more complicated than your stupid and silly pat answers of cut taxes and let the free market system run. How could that ever work when power and greed is continuously corrupting the process?

        GM was saved by unconventional measures, which I understand fly in the face of libertarians and the supposedly free market, but otherwise they would have gone under and they would have added to our unemployment and they would have taken down a lot of other businesses with them.

        I originally didn’t want this bailout as I have never liked GM, their products or their practices but I am man enough to admit that I don’t know everything and that in this case it was actually the right thing to do at the moment.

        But the reality is this. The IPO success has slashed the Government’s stake in the company from 61% to 36% while repaying taxpayers. The offering, which raised a near-record $20 billion for the auto giant, opened at $35 a share – higher than the $33 a share initially requested by the Treasury Department. That made it one of the largest IPOs in history.

        What else should we be talking about? Should we waste out time on bipartisan crap and making fun of or hating and blaming Obama which seems to be the favorite past time here.

        I don’t think we should run deficits but I also don’t think now is the time to not run deficits. Because that is the system and we could meddle in the worst possible times and make it a lot worse.

        The reason we have deficits is also because the private sector is scared and not investing or hiring or performing. If it were the coffers would get filled up again. So if the whole premise is designed to be manipulated you can’t stop stimulating it at it’s absolute worst point in it’s life so far.

        Unless of course you don’t care about having more middle class people join the ranks of the poor, the unemployed and the homeless.

        • BOOKER

          ERIC,PRIVET SECTOR PEOPLE CAN NOT BUY THIS PRECIOUS LITTLE NEW SCAM YOU THINK IS GREAT,STOCK IN GM WILL ALWAYS BE A FAILURE,IT’S ANOTHER SCAM,JUST LIKE THE MILLIONS THAT GOT SCAMMED WHEN THEY WENT UNDER,ALL PRIVET CONSUMERS LOST EVERYTHING, LESS THEN .10 ON EVERY DOLLAR.

        • Conservative at Birth

          Your knowledge of economic history is rudiemntary at best, and perhaps non-existant at all. Read what Henry Morganthau the Secretary of the Treasury under FDR had to say about all the problems the government created with their spend and tax policies. Then check out what Calvin Coolidge did to solve a worst economic problem than that of 1929. After you have studied economics for a while you may continue to post on this site. Otherwise, your rants will fall on deaf ears. Get my drift?

          • Ruby

            Thanks for the reminder of Coolidge’s presidency. For those who forget, that’s when he roaring 20′s came about.

          • Eric Bischoff

            Yes and you yourself might want to expand your horizon.

            For a different perspective I recommend reading:

            • The Naked Capitalist by W. Cleon Skousen
            • The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism by Naomi Klein
            • Screwed: The undeclared war against the middle class by Thom Hartmann
            • Bad Samaritans: The Myth of Free Trade and the Secret History of Capitalism by Ha-Joon Chang
            • Aftershock: Protect yourself and profit from the next Global Financial Meltdown by David Wiedemer
            • Free Fall: America Free Markets and the Sinking of the World Economy by Joseph Stiglitz
            • Other People’s Money: The corporate mugging of Amnerica by Nomi Prins
            • It takes a Pillage: Behind the bailouts bonuses and backroom deals from Washington to Wall St by Nomi Prins
            • Jacked: How Conservatives are picking your pockets by Nomi Prins
            • The Long Emergency by James Howard Kunstler
            • The great Turning: From Empire to Earth Community by David Korten
            • Agenda for a new economy: From Phantom Wealth to Real Welath by David Korten
            • When Corporations Rule the World by David Korten
            • A people’s History of the United States by Howard Zinn
            • You can’t be neutral on a moving Train by Howard Zinn
            • Denialism by Michael Specter
            • Hopes and Prospects or any of Noam Chomsky
            • Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace or any of Gore Vidal

            See AngelWannabe I do share.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Thanks for sharing Eric, but I would assume at best the majority of the read, is revisionist theory.

          • eddie47d

            They will never listen or read about what the wealthy have done to us. It’s not all in their favor either. I remember when corporations were admired for bringing us a high standard of living. Now that standard is only for a select few. That includes Democrats,Libertarians and a few Hollywood elites.There are egocentrics amongst them all.

          • Angel Wannabe

            eddie, I think the wealthy cab do anything they damn well please, they’re the ones who took the risk in a business in the first place__IF they’re successful why do you care?___Jealous??___We’re all born naked buddy boy, after ya get old enough_-It’s your job to figure out what ya wannabe when when ya grow___You can either be a bum and suck off Government teat or you can go make something of yourself__nobodys gonna do it for ya!___If ya ain’t where ya wanna be in life thats your problem, it’s NOT my job or anyone else’s TO MAKE YOU A RICH MAN!___You Progressives are a real Hoot! _LOL___Do you hear what I hear?____LAUGHTER!!! :)

          • Vicki

            let us see. What have the wealthy done to us. They have provided jobs for all those baby boomers both male and female. They have given us personal computers and gagets that our parents only read about in comic strips. They gave us a new method of communicating that undermines the MSM. They gave us radios so small that we can clip them to our ear and talk to telephones so small that they fit easilly in a pocket. They gave us 100′s of new millionaires. They gave us games to play and movies to watch and new ways to read our books. I could go on and on and on.

          • Vicki

            Oh and they gave us Affordable personal computers far more powerful than the simple calculating machines the government used to have. They gave us affordable solar panels and affordable windmills and affordable micro hydro power and and and…..

          • eddie47d

            You are confusing earned wealth with greed. There is a big difference. A hedge fund manager is a prime example;they make a billion dollars a year and produce none of those tangible items you mentioned. They get rich whether they do good or not and suck companies dry at the companies expense. More useless carpetbaggers who milk this country.

          • Angel Wannabe

            eddie___nanny nanny foo foo!___ you sound more like your a jealous child, who wants the doll the little girl down the street has._- All we hear on here from you Progressives is “The Wealthy Are Greedy, They Stole They’re Wealth”,___None of us EVER WORKED FOR POOR MEN BUDDY, use your damn head!___You’ve drawn the line in the sand, It’s obvious you’d rather be a slave to Government, than thankful and faithful to company who would hire you to work for them!_-It’s no wonder, you damned young snips can’t find/hold a decent job, rather than work your way up the ladder like most of us have to, you want everything the job creators have, without taking the risk!__with that kind of attitude, I’d pack ya off to be someone elses problem. You progressives are a bunch of wet-behind-the-ears, ungrateful jackazzes! Your products of a ME ORIENTED SOCIETY, molded by the Very Government you worship!__Your nothing A BUNCH OF POSERS ACTING LIKE, YOUR THE CARETAKERS OF THE WORLD, when all you really do is sit behind a computer screen and piss and moan at the opposition!__Geez_-your so damned transparent its pathetic!_-Just a bunch of pozers!!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Absolutely it will work. The free market system will always work Eric. Come on man, its simple. You sell something I want, at a price Im willing to pay, and I buy it. If your selling junk, or you want too much, I dont buy it. A competitor has the same thing, for a better price, I buy it from him. Its a pretty simple concept. The law of supply and demand. If I want it, and youve got it, Ill buy it if I want it. But if I dont want to pay what you want, then Im not going to buy it. How can anything be more fair than that? How? Those doing business right and fair, will succeed, and those who are being greedy and jack up prices and sell shoddy workmanship in their products, will sink and go out of business. How can it be any fairer than that? Of course, when the government comes and props up one company and gives it an unfair advantage, then bad things are bound to happen. They should have stayed out of things.

          • Eric Bischoff

            I venture to say that your idea of a free market system is Utopian and unrealistic. It has not been attainable in hundreds of years. Always professed to be but never in practice. Who’s delusional?

          • eddie47d

            You are both right about the Free Market System. A truly free market should work fine but greed always gets in the way.Then there is no one to correct the bad players until it’s too late.The Healthcare companies proved that several times over. They had the market cornered and knew if people got sick they would be willing to pay any price to stay healthy. They increased prices dramatically and often. When their CEO’s paid themselves billions you knew they got their hand caught in the cookie jar. This was all at the consumers expense since there were few other options.

          • Vicki

            Free markets worked fine in the USA before government started meddling and choosing who would win. Free markets work find in dozens of virtual worlds that people play every day. They work so well that people in the real world often find ways to make real money off of the virtual worlds.

            Supply/demand can no more be defeated than the law of math 1+1=2. Its the law. Government thinks it can defeat the law but government only pushes on the supply or the demand and the law balances the equation.

          • eddie47d

            When I see a honest free market system I will believe all your pie in the sky theories. Yes there are wonderful companies in America and they are the good guys. There are also bad government policies that hurt these same companies. I will fight against bad government and bad corporations. I seem to lean to the left and you lean to the right.

          • vicki

            Eddie47d writes:
            “There are also bad government policies that hurt these same companies. I will fight against bad government and bad corporations. I seem to lean to the left and you lean to the right.”

            Why do you lean toward bad government?

        • Cliffystones

          “How could that ever work when power and greed is continuously corrupting the process?”

          Erik, you hit the nail on the head buddy! But show me a law, bill, executive order, etc. that will legislate away greed and the lust for power! Just one little “earmark” that will change those bad aspects of human nature. You do and I’ll be the first person knocking on your door to sign up for the Liberal agenda team!

          But how is it a good idea to replace power hungry, greedy capitalists with power hungry greedy socialists?

        • Teresa

          Eric, what you fail to mention in your post (which is nothing related to the article) is that the GM takeover was nothing more than gov. control of the auto industry and unionized labor. This has already been proven, I already posted this. This is common sense Eric, if you or I owe for a car and we are late on payments…do you think the dealerships will let us keep the vehicle????….ha, no…they are coming after your vehicle. If you need me to post the facts for you again Eric I will be more than happy to but the fact does remain WHY the gov. took over the auto industry, and it WAS NOT to save the American peoples jobs.

          • ED Howe

            OH, Teresa, U R so correct!!

        • Conservatives United

          “Can’t you people be honest once in a while and admit that this world and our precarious situation is a little more complicated than your stupid and silly pat answers of cut taxes and let the free market system run. How could that ever work when power and greed is continuously corrupting the process?”

          Eric, the Free Market System has worked quite well for this country for over 200 years. Why do we want to change Success for Failure (Called Socialism)???

          • Eric Bischoff

            Oh really.!
            What planet are you living on. We are BROKE! We just sank the world’s economy by gambling with fiat money. Americans have no savings, no equity, no room on their credit cards, a lot of them have no job and a lot more are about to have no job. Many are homeless, a lot more are about to be homeless. Our banks are failing right and left.

            Yeah! Greatest system in the world! Best we could ever dream up!

          • Vicki

            Eric Bischoff says:
            “We are BROKE!”

            Who’s this we? Capitalists are not broke. I hear rumor that a certain mostly socilist government or 3 are. But that is what happens when you run out of other peoples money.

            Eric:”We just sank the world’s economy by gambling with fiat money.”

            really? looks like several socialistic countries who played around with paper money are having trouble. This is not a surprise to anyone who understands the value of barter and the tools that make barter run more smoothly

            Eric:” Americans have no savings, no equity, no room on their credit cards, a lot of them have no job and a lot more are about to have no job. Many are homeless, a lot more are about to be homeless.”

            All thanks to government meddling in free markets.

            Eric:” Our banks are failing right and left.”

            But how can that be? The government heavily regulates banks. The federal reserve is supposed to prop up banks having depositor troubles. Perhaps you have confused a banking system, that our forefathers specifically warned against, with an economic philosophy.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Eric “were broke b/c of you leftist jackass’s agendas!___Margret Thatcher said it best, “The Problem with Socialism, is you eventually run out of other peoples money!”

        • james

          You seemed to have missed the fact that GM has to go to 50 dollars per share for the govt.aka taxpayers to break even, whee, isn’t that great?
          We will only lose about half of what we put in the post.
          I like playing not limit holdem, you stand a much better chance of making a buck.
          Eric, the govt is funded by the people, the idea is that the elected folks work for us, and just look at what splendid jobs they are doing and doing well, has to be one someplace.
          These azzclowns remind me of the old boy that had the MIDAS TOUCH, everything he touched turned to gold, Obama has the crazy crapola touch, every thing he touchs turns to S.H.I.T.
          DUH?

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          Eric , Since you have it all figured out, Why don’t you take your plan to Fidel/Raul Castro in Cuba, and while you are there be polite.

          • Karolyn

            It never fails to amaze me how much you have to offer here WIA.

        • DaveH

          Let’s see, should we believe Eric, an avowed “Progressive” (pc for Liberal), or this guy:
          http://www.businessinsider.com/gm-ipo-taxpayers-break-even-2010-9

        • DaveH

          Eric,
          You state “Can’t you people be honest once in a while and admit that this world and our precarious situation is a little more complicated than your stupid and silly pat answers of cut taxes and let the free market system run. How could that ever work when power and greed is continuously corrupting the process?”
          How could anybody with half-a-brain not know that the corruption stems from Big Government Power? Without Big Government being heavily involved in the Marketplace, there wouldn’t be anybody for the corporate crooks to bribe in order to get special favors. So Eric wants to take us from a system where Companies are powerless to make us buy their goods to one where they can use the force of Big Government to both force us to buy their goods, and to stifle their competitors.
          We need just look to our Neighbor Mexico to see the results of heavy Government regulations. They are riddled with corruption:
          http://heritage.org/index/Country/Mexico

          The majority of “stupid and silly pat answers” on this board are coming from one Ignorant Liberal – Eric.

  • http://WarOnSocialism.com Rob Waterson

    Please check out my new web site project aimed at the lame duck session and beyond:

    http://the41.org/

  • http://Windows Rog

    Even now – after the true realization that what we have had in Congress
    has been probably the dirtiest bunch of selfish thieves that has ever been put together! The biggest mystery to me of them all is that Nancy
    Pelosi has retained the ill used power that was given her – and even now at her “last gasp” is so filled with hate for the American people that she will use the Lame Duck Congress to do even father damage to the
    the U.S.! What evil is inside her that forces her to do everything in this last gasp of power to destroy America? Is it just an
    uncontrollable sadistic streak or is she a paid agent of our foes! I
    hope I live long enough to see her a.s thrown down the Capitol Steps
    forever. Hope her next ‘office’ will be in HELL!

    • Ruby

      They LOVE Pelosi in San Francisco…I live in San Jose, so I know.

      I’ll never forget the first time I read about her hypocrisy. It was an article about her support for unions; however, she, up to the time of that article, didn’t employ 1 union worker. Ever since, I’ve not liked her; however, I can’t condemn her to hell or any other dark place, that’s for God (or a higher being) to decide.

      • Eric Bischoff

        It’s a politician’s job to lie to us because we can’t face the truth. We all have a part in this madness. You may not agree with her but you should all have respect for the woman for being hardest working and most successful speaker of the house.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I cannot have respect for someone even remotely resembling her Eric. Come on man. She pushes to pass a bill, a very, very important bill, and then admits to the nation that she hasnt even read it? Are you kidding me. Then she makes a statement that we (californian’s) need to do more to help the illegal aliens pouring into her state and bankrupting it. Hello, as a politician, is she not an officer of the law in some state. And she wants to aid illegal activities? Hello!. Is anyone home. Since her inception in California, along with Barbara Boxer, California’s economy has dove straight south. Sorry, Eric, respect is earned, not given, and this woman has done nothing to earn respect. Evil is as evil does, and Im telling you Eric, this one is one of the most evil women Ive ever heard speak in my life. She openly lies, openly contradicts herself, and openly exposes her anti – American rhetoric. You can support that if you like, as we are all allowed our opinions in America, but Nancy would like to change that also, as she doesnt think anyone should be allowed to openly express their opinion if it differs from hers. Therefore, that is the problem.

          • Eric Bischoff

            Oh please stop being so paranoid it makes you look stupid.

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            Beberoni… I couldn’t agree more! Pelosi is so full of herself that she unable to comprehend what the middle class deals with on a daily basis. She is evil, but what is really scary is there are more just like her in Washington. Why she was reelected is not even conceivable!

          • Eric Bischoff

            I venture to say that the stench of misogyny is all over this place and that is the main reason you so hate Ms Pelosi.

            The Republicans just voted against equal pay for women while 84% of the public supports it. Sorry ladies you are still behind black people. Remember they got to vote before you did!

          • DaveH

            I don’t know if Beberoni looks stupid or not, but he sure doesn’t sound stupid, Eric. You, however, sound stupid, and look stupid. Wearing sunglasses in a photo. What a dweeb.

          • Vicki

            What she said is FAR more elitist and arrogant than you remember. Her exact quote is:

            “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it,…”
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU

            We will control the vertical. We will control the horizontal. Just sit back and do as you are told.

            And people in San Francisco voted for her ANYWAY.

        • Andrea B

          She may be the “hardest working speaker” when it comes to the liberal agenda.

          She’s also the one that said of the healthcare bill (1/6th of our economy) “We won’t know what’s in the bill til we pass it.”

          I’d rather take my chances with a sea-monkey.

          • eddie47d

            Personally I’m disappointed in the Democrats because they let the Republicans walk all over them instead of taking charge with their majority. They let the Republicans sit on their duffs and criticize instead of making them vote up or down on the issues. If the Democrats think that the Republicans are going to play fair now that they will be in the majority then we all have been had. The Republicans are the lame ducks for all of their tomfoolery and the Democrats are fools for letting them get away with it. When it came to the Health Care bill they shouldn’t have allowed for so many changes right up to the end. That is why few had read the whole thing and Pelosi made her infamous remark. If the Republicans didn’t want to “play ball” then the Democrats should have set a time limit and voted on it. They would have won the issue and even if they lost then the issue would have been settled. The Democrats shouldn’t have been so nice for the Republicans certainly won’t be.

          • http://none Mike

            Good one Andrea. I might add Sea Monkies are as fictional as all her hard work too. Mike L.

          • http://none Mike

            Eddie, The Democrats had the majority and could have voted on anything they liked. I think there were some in the democratic party that were fearful of what their own party was doing. Thus all the backroom dealing and cloakroom arm twisting in their own party to get votes.Mike L.

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          Eric, sooooo stop lying to yourself and be polite and go

        • JC

          wasn’t Pelosi the evil witch who said we have to pass the health care bill to see what’s in it? And isn’t she the one famous for het flying booze junkets?

          Oh yeah…she’s got my respect…the same respect I give a rattle snake.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      This will give her more time to expose the filthy left wing liberals for what they really are, so that more of them can get kicked to the curb in 2012. So actually, this is a good thing for the country, as it will allow some that dont know, just how whacked these idiots on the left really are, and she will change many minds against them between now and then, as she is so out of touch with reality and the common joe.

      • Eric Bischoff

        What ever happened to ” a decent respect to the opinions of mankind” or “All men are created equal” or “Unalienable rights” or “the pursuit of happiness”?

        It also says, and I think that is is the most prescient and relevant piece right now, ” Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes”

        It’s not like anything has changed in government just because Obama got elected. If you believe that he is solely responsible for destroying the economy and this supposedly great nation then you are either a fool or a racist or both.

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          (offensive comment removed)

        • Vicki

          Yes Eric please do ask Nancy “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it” Pelosi what ever happened to those things. She won’t talk to me, I’m not a liberal.

          Oh and thanks again for proving my point about liberals and race.

      • DaveH

        Beberoni,
        Eric’s giving her a go for her money. I’m glad he posts here so normal people can see the Liberal mindset.

        • Karolyn

          Dave – So now it’s liberals aren’t “normal?” You can’t think of anything else to say, so you jump on the kindergarten bandwagon. Now that I know you are so well educated, just what colleges did you go to Dave? Or was that all made up about your education? You certainly don’t sound like an educated man to me. Oh, maybe it’s because it was so long ago.

          • DaveH

            Are you the one, Karolyn, who posted that you don’t have time to read? Yet you have plenty of time to post your vacuous comments.
            I realize that you have probably spent most of your life with dishonest people, so I wouldn’t expect you to trust my word. Your loss.

        • Karolyn

          No, Dave, I posted that I have too much to read already, with a pile of books waiting for me. I have many intrests, and unfortunately do not have a clone to help me get to everything. I also am involved in online selling of antiques and collectibles, which I need to devote time to. With going to school and working, it doesn’t really leave a whole lot of time for reading. I appear to be addicted to this site, more’s the pity but usually spend no more than a half hour at a time here. And, I have spent my life with honest people. You’re probably a reallty nice guy, and I’m sure you state your truth. However, what difference does it make who “starts it?”A mature grown person does not even have to answer if all they are going to say is derogatory. Before you jump on that, yes, I succumb at times; but if you look at the majority of my posts, they are short and usually aimed at pointing out a fallacy or complaining about somebody acting like a baby. Of course, we cannot change each others’ minds; but at least I do take what everyone has to say into consideration without summarily dismissing what the other “side” has to day.

  • http://e.jr0214@sbcglobal Ed

    Liars Must Be Defeated, Has the right answer. I’m with you all the way. hooray for you.

  • THIRD PARTY

    WHEN THE REAL WORKERS OF AMERICA GET FIRED,THEY DON’T HAVE SEVERAL MONTHS TO KEEP F ING UP,THEY LEAVE THAT DAY.CLEAR YOUR OFFICE,AND GET THE HELL OUT.THAT’S LIKE CATCHING A BANK ROBBER IN THE ACT,THEN LETTING HIM FINISH STUFFING HIS BAGS OF MONEY,THEN HANDING IT OFF TO A FRIEND THAT WALK SCOTT FREE.

    • eddie47d

      Shades of Enron!

  • Warrior

    I think the dems that weren’t voted out are more dangerous than the ones expelled. Their progressive, insidious bastardized plans must be uncovered and made public at every opportunity.

    Did you see the the 100 top communist democrats had a big pow wow yesterday in DC? Yea, Soros and all his rich little buddies are having a conference to lay their plans on how to combat those evil anti communist tea partiers and repubs. Keep up the good work Patriots!

    • Angel Wannabe

      Warrior, The Communists are exposed more and more everyday__Thank Christ!

      • Eric Bischoff

        Get back on your meds!

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          (offensive comment removed)

        • Angel Wannabe

          BOO! :)

        • Angel Wannabe

          “A tactic that drags on too long
          becomes a drag. Man can sustain
          militant interest in any issue for only a
          limited time, after which it becomes a
          ritualistic commitment” __Rules for Radicals.___Still hearing laughter Eric and it’s 5:19!

        • Angel Wannabe

          Eric, I think I’d be a good idea to take those Dark Glasses off, they’re fogging your vision?!___Laughter!!!!__lol

          • Angel Wannabe

            Actually Eric, I think if I’d be you, I’d do a whole body check, I think you’ve been chipped?!_-Someones controlling your thoughts!!!___Do you hear something?___Laughter!!!!

    • Eric Bischoff

      Are you that uninformed? Soros hates communism. He is committed to progressive politics just like you are committed to conservative politics. I would venture to say that a man that has figured out how to win big in this capitalistic system you so love might have something to teach us. Hey this is America and you can’t have it just one way. The system you so love was designed to swing in either direction. Why because regardless of what you think of someone who thinks differently than you, they are also Americans and deserve to be heard and sometimes thy also get to govern. The problem with conservatives is that they refuse to let anyone else ever govern, They are sore losers. But hey you have a new congress let’s see what you guys can do with this mess now.

      • Warrior

        Here’s the difference. Progressives want to RULE! Patriots just want Representatives! Possibly, even you can understand this concept.

        • eddie47d

          Since you put Republicans and Tea Party members in the same thinking and the Republicans are obstructionists then I see nothing being accomplished. I have thought for many years that some of you even want King George back. Since some of you only want certain citizens to be able to vote.

          • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

            (offensive comment removed)

          • Warrior

            Van Jones.

        • Eric Bischoff

          Yea and Patriots gave us the Patriot act, the biggest piece of crap designed to shred our constitution and our rights.

      • Warrior

        Eric – your nose is growing again.

        NEW YORK – It was progressives who won the mid-term elections, particularly incumbents in a socialist-founded congressional caucus that emerged from last week’s ballots virtually unscathed, boasted an article published by the George Soros-funded Institute for Policy Studies, a Marxist-oriented think-tank in Washington, D.C.

        The article recommends that President Obama govern from executive order to push through a progressive agenda.

        “Progressives won in the 2010 mid-term elections,” wrote Karen Dolan, a fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies, or IPS, and director of the Cities for Progress and Cities for Peace projects based at the radical organization.

        “The Congressional Progressive Caucus, the largest caucus in the House Democratic Caucus at over 80 members, emerged virtually unscathed, losing only three members,” she wrote, in the piece published on the IPS website.

        You can see the whole article if you wish to visit the worlddailynet or vision to america websites.

  • Diane

    Fantastic article! By the way, apparently Rep. John Mica’s “solution” — suggesting airports opt out of using TSA, and then hire “private” screeners instead — is NO solution at all, because MICA wants these “non-TSA screeners” to “work [sic] under federal supervision.” As Becky Akers writes, “Oh, yeah, biiiiiig difference. Yo, John: let’s try outsourcing Congresscriminals next.” RON PAUL HAS THE ONLY SOLUTION: NO GOVERNMENT INVOLVED **AT ALL** IN SCREENING, ONLY THE AIRLINES! http://www.lewrockwell.com/akers/akers136.html

  • Al

    Murkowski won because Alaskans like to feed at the trough. My tax dollars are PORK for Alaskans.
    Thay sit on their immense natural resources, and suck up our tax dollars.

    • Bob Wire

      This is like the argument about why the depression occurred.

      Evidently a lot of people knew how to spell her name. Making the vote results very deliberate. ~ I understand the Tea Party Opponent was wanting a recount, where are we with that?

      Alaska is a wealthy state and it does share it’s wealth with state residence in the form of a suppliant share every year I believe, Something I’d like to see every state like Louisiana to do.

      If you think you might enjoy a little midnight sun action, it’s just waiting for you to show up.

  • Al

    Blame the Union worker? How about the D AM politicians who have been sending our jobs overseas. Remember George seniors NEW WORLD ORDER speech?

    • Eric Bischoff

      How about the US Chamber of Commerce holding seminars to teach american businesses how to outsource overseas. The using their money and power to help elect politicians usually Republicans that will champion this course. Are you OK with that? It sounds like you’re being taken advantage of!

      • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

        Eric , be polite and go to your chamber and F%$# yourself, remember you said their was no life form on this site.

        • Eric Bischoff

          No civilized form either.

          By the way do you suffer from Tourrette’s syndrome?

          • Angel Wannabe

            “The fourth rule carries
            within it the fifth rule:
            Ridicule is man’s most
            potent weapon. It is almost
            impossible to counterattack
            ridicule. Also it infuriates
            the opposition, who then
            react to your advantage.”
            ________Rules for radicals!!!!___laughter Eric!!!___LOL

          • eddie47d

            You have been rather spastic yourself Angel. Have you and WIA been out drinking again?

          • Vicki

            eddie47d demonstarates (poorly) the use of the forth rule:
            “You have been rather spastic yourself Angel. Have you and WIA been out drinking again?”

      • DaveH

        We should force them to hire American workers, no matter how unqualified, so that the Liberals can then whine about the shabby quality and high cost of our goods. Is there any way to win with Liberals? Yes, let them make your every choice and take all your money.

  • Jon Weiss

    I actually pity Obama’s successor. That person will indeed have a daunting task. As the saying goes, “It took Carter to give us Reagan.” Now the new pronouncement of that statement is “It took Obama to give us…???” Who will the next great Conservative be? Whoever it is, they will be tasked with leading us out of the forest of lunacy and back on the path of sanity. Reagan has left some big shoes to fill, I only hope there is someone out there with some very big political feet.

    • Bob Wire

      No , me and people like me gave you Reagan ~ you are making light of a lot of hard work on the part of many. I don’t like that very much.

      unless you are saying Nixon gave us Carter. ~

      Kennedy policy’s gave us Nixon ~

      • alpha-lemming

        Yes… to a degreee. Nixon DID give us Carter, (POed electorate via “Watergate”), LBJ gave us Nixon, Perot gave us Bubba, Bubba gave us W, W gave us… him. With the exception of Perot, these are reactions/NO votes to the incumbants and not neccessarily FOR the successors.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Well said Jon!

    • DaveH

      I’m afraid, Jon, that you are going to be waiting a long time. Most Republicans also like the power and perks of leadership and aren’t likely to prescribe the strong medicine necessary to get our Freedom and Economy back. They will say things like “we can’t cut spending too fast or it will create chaos”. And it won’t get cut. Count on it. We have a long road ahead, and I don’t yet see enough will and knowledge by the voters to take the strong medicine. There are hopeful signs though.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    Anyone ever wonder how much we could save by Washington being shut down because of no funds being allocated. Most agencys could be shut down and it seems t me the American public would be better off. One night in 2003 I got a ticket in D.C. for turning right on red and about an hour later we were free to go.
    We were having a ball fellowshiping with each other and The Lord as they checked us out. My beleif is that they were terrorized by The Ten ommandments I had posted in each rear window. Wound up having to pay a fifty dollar ticket that was later refunded with a note that said I had ovepaid by $50.

  • http://victoryinamericaday-11210.blogspot.com Bob Uda

    Unions excell best when they are beating up on innocent victims.

    Lame ducks were losers before they lost their jobs, and now they are even bigger losers. I guess these types of losers will always be losers. All they care about themselves, never the people they supposedly went to Washington to represent. Losers.

  • Roland N Thompson

    Roland says

    Eric my wife 72 and I 77 receive $2000 a month and Obamacare has added
    $250.00 a month to our expense. He also cut our cost of living increase
    so we have to work to make ends meet. Yes us rich bast*** need to pay more.

    • Eric Bischoff

      I am sorry and I am not trying to insult you but do you really consider yourself as part of the rich?

      I agree the healthcare bill as it is has too many problems. The worst one being forced to buy healthcare. But the healthcare we deserve, a single payer system in the form of Medicare for all would have been easy to implement and it would save all of us money including businesses across america. It’s the logical thing to do unfortunately logic does not seem to be part of our governing process.

      • Ruby

        You missed the point!!! Roland meant that it isn’t just the RICH that are being affected, it’s EVERYONE!!!!

        • Eric Bischoff

          I may have missed the point but the post said “yes us rich bastards”

          • Ruby

            Sarcasm.

          • Bob Wire

            I enjoy your banter Eric, you come armed.

            stay on the high road and void the temptation to chase their rabbit trails that lead to nowhere.

            The seniors I’ve spoken with welcome the changes ~ why this senior has experienced a $250.00 per month increase is odd. He’s yet to fully explain the reason but casting it off as simply Obamacare.

            I have an 84 yr old father and a 79 yr old mother that live next door and I hear “Everything”. I have many senior neighbors as I’ve returned (downsized) to the old home place of 50 years, a quaint little blue collar neighborhood.

            People don’t like the mandatory wording and I can’t say I blame them. We seem to have Government that’s constantly requiring something to be mandatory while we pay taxes and still we are in debit, we fight wars that have no end and no victory, we bail out banker while banker foreclose on American homes. We bail out car companies while we drive $2,000.00 throwaways with 180,000 miles on them. We buy insurance that not worth the paper it’s printed on, only getting you passed admitting office. People are stepping and eating on people and there is no end in sight.

            People are in an ornery mood.

          • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

            (offensive comment removed)

          • Eric Bischoff

            : We encourage an open discussion with a wide range of viewpoints, even extreme ones, but we will not tolerate racism, profanity or slanderous comments toward the author(s) or comment participants. Make your case passionately, but civilly.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Can you hear the laughter__Eric!!____lol

          • eddie47d

            No,but we sure hear your silly ignorance!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Eddie __Since you seem to answering for Eric, I gotta ask, are you and Eric an item, or are you just friends with benefits!!!???___Lmao!!!_-Yeah I’m still laughing!!!

          • eddie47d

            Kind of like you and WIA-both of you are offensive!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Well eddie_The only reason you think I’m being offensive, is because I play the same cards as you, only on a different side of the table!? ;)

      • DaveH

        Are you kidding, Bob Wire? Eric comes armed? Yeah, with ignorance. He thinks a single payer system will be cheaper? Sure, when pigs fly. Substituting voluntary contracts for the force of Government doesn’t work and never will.
        How do you suppose disinterested middlemen (government bureaucrats) with almost guaranteed jobs are going to do a better job of it than people who either please you or lose your business? Do you honestly think if for-profit people don’t give a hoot about your happiness, that having no choice at all is going to get you better and cheaper service? I thought you were smarter than that, Bob.
        Our healthcare costs are higher now because Government intrusion into the healthcare markets is higher than ever. Liberal leaders want complexity because it results in more money and power for them. But the Liberal followers are just ignorant.
        http://mises.org/daily/3233

        • DaveH

          That should have read ‘Substituting voluntary contracts with the force of Government’

    • Anna

      Well at least you are getting 2000 a month from Social Security to pay for Obamacare. It is your generation that benefits from medicare at my generations expense. Not only do we have to pay into SS and Medicare we have to pay for our own health insurance and put money into our own retirement fund.

      • DaveH

        Yes, Anna, the younger people are getting screwed. But that’s not my fault. I have voted Libertarian my entire voting life. Still, I would like to have back the $160,000 they took on my behalf ‘for my own good’. A little compounded interest would be nice too. It doesn’t look too hopeful that will happen. Keep in mind, too, that the money was taken from me at a time when it had much more buying power. If I had the same amount invested in silver during those takings, I would be set for life.

      • DaveH

        I might add, that we have no idea who on Social Security is taking advantage and who on Social Security is being taken advantage of. That’s the insidious nature of Big Government – the constant angst over who the users are and who the abusers are. We need to get Big Government out of our lives so charity comes only from those who are voluntary donors and our nations citizens can get along with each other.

    • Bob Wire

      hmm? really? ~ are you sure? and you’ve made no gains in you medication scripts?

      That’s not the kind of news I’m hearing for seniors about.

    • Angel

      You are a Socialist!

  • BOOKER

    JUST THE TWO PARTY PARADIGM AT WORK,TERM LIMITS FOR ALL.AUDIT THE FED HR 1207,PROBLEM SOLVED.

  • urstrange

    When is the hunting season on “lame ducks”? It should run from Nov.2 to Jan.1 to put as many out of commission as possible so they can do no harm after they’ve been fired.

  • ALFRED E. NEUMAN

    Any thinking, rational, non-believer of the “LAME STREAM MEDIA”, doing their homework on this GEORGE SOROS FRAUD, “SOCK PUPPET OBAMA”, could have seen what a WORTHLESS KENYAN AFRICAN FRAUD, this ALIEN IS.
    He is NOT a NATURAL BORN AMERICAN CITIZEN, he is PRESIDENT by the hand of the DEMON out of the PIT of HELL, SOCIOPATHIC GEORGE SCHWARTZ, AKA: GEORGE SOROS! Already the HALF BREED is on GEORGIE BOYS REMOVAL LIST!
    DOUBT THAT? Just wait kiddies, “YOU AIN”T SEEN NOTHING YET”!

    • Karolyn

      I bet you look like Alfred E. Neuman too.

  • diane

    Time for We the People to set up a referendum:
    1. Term limits
    2. Salaries no more than 40k and that is too much for their competence level…this is a part time job after all and the less they do the better
    3. No perks
    4.Salaries end immediately when job is over …that would save billions in and of itself…probably allow SS for 50 more years…these idiots get huge salaries even when they only serve 1 term for ever
    5.They buy the same health crap we are stuck with
    6.Most important…we set it up to fire them if constituents agree

    • DaveH

      If we had cash payments for all services rendered we would all be better off. Let people buy their own benefits.
      By the way, Diane, good sentiment but I don’t think Term Limits would cure our problems. They can only be cured by an educated electorate. Whether we have incompetent politicians in a job for life or for a short term isn’t going to make much difference. And if they didn’t have to worry about getting reelected you can imagine how contemptuous they would probably be for our happiness.

  • http://yahoo jeff

    Two ideas:
    1) Term limits.
    2) Impeach Obama.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Sounds good to me jeff!

      • Conservatives United

        Two Terms for the ILLEGAL IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

        One in office, ands One in exile!!!

        As a matter of fact we should extend that to all the Liberals and RINOS congress too. Would not want to leave anyone out!!!!

    • DaveH

      Please don’t fall prey to the Siren Song of Term Limits. They simply wouldn’t make any positive difference. There is only one hope, and that is for the electorate to get better educated about the reality of politics and the beauty of the Constitution. I am hopeful that with the easy communications brought to us by the internet, people may just start doing that.

  • Conservative at Birth

    I for one will never by another GM product as long as I live. I hope the stock falls soon as the Chineese bought $ 500 M, according to reports I have seen.

  • Bob Wire

    term limit alone would just make politicians cheaper to buy

    high crimes and treason, you know of any?

    • Angel Wannabe

      Yeah tryin to turn our Republic into European Socialism for starters.

      • Bob Wire

        purely for banter sake, I think it’s safe to say “W” left us more evidence for high crimes by his own admission and witness testimony then “O” ever has.

        That the nation was in such a god awful mess and we had bigger issues to address saved his and Chaney’s bacon. We didn’t have the time or stomach to back up and get him.

        The “War President” it makes me angry to even think about it. the “decider” , “comfortable in his own skin” WoW! what a revelation ! nice to be so comfortable inside one own skin, what other skin has he been in?

        Too many Clark Gable and John Wayne movies, “W” was always playing the leading man part, not an original thought in his head or word out of his mouth, produce of the privileged and Hollywood movies.

        and Rove,Rumsfield,Chaney & Wolfowitz were his military advisers, I doubt if any one of them knows how to fold the colors much less understand words like valor and honor.

        Hard to believe, we lived through 8 years of it and yet he is still someone’s hero.

        I question of God has any interest in us at this point.

  • Bailey

    How many more trips can we afford to send the Master, the annointed one, on his pleasure junkets. These trips have to be for pleasure as I
    apparently have missed any worthwhile results coming from any of them. Has any of the escort services furnished companions for these “lonely” people when they get there, as it seems they have loads of time to mill around, visit the bars, or other exciting “houses”. Is there such a thing as a “condom count”. Eric Holder, the wonderful attorney general….the guy who declared justice would be served to terrorist and mass murderers…has had to eat crow. Or did he? Obama and his crowd seem to think all is well, and that justice has been served. The terrorist will at least get 10years…unless Obama pardons him on the way out. This nation cannot take much more of Soros style socialism. Even old Jay wants to shut up realism and continue to foster the delusional dream world of Marxist utopian bull crap. We have a hard row to hoe, but capitalism in a free enterprise system must prevail. The road back will be just as painful as the one Obama has nudged and pushed us into. The greatest thing that could happen to this country to bring us to a point of working together again, would be that he declare that he will not run in 1012. That would be a sign from Providence, and bells would ring out all across this land….particularly for those who work or want to work for a living.

  • Teresa

    Wouldn’t our main goal be a budget plan..I mean, they talk of all these bills they want passed in a lame duck and they can’t even propose a budget plan, how long have they had? Is Amnesty, and Card Ck. more important than a budget plan?

    • Ruby

      They don’t want us to know for the revolt it would cause.

  • j.McConnell

    I am hearing a lot of anti-union b.s. lately. With the exception of the “Hollywood”
    types I think most union members are middle class, you know, the backbone of
    America. It is almost laughable when some over $100,000 per year individuals
    think some maintenance,clerical,production,security or custodial workers are
    overpaid or have benefits that are lavish who are in the $35,000-60,000 per year
    range. Some would be happy when everyone (but themselves) are getting Wal-Mart
    type wages & benefits while those at the top can’t count their money fast enough!
    This is not to say there has not been any wrongdoing involving unions but when
    organized crime affiliation is discovered it should be prosecuted. Unions should
    not be required to represent anyone who whines either because of “duties of fair
    representation”.

    • ValDM

      You’ll hear a lot more union bashing soon enough. Is there some reason that city, state and fed workers should be represented by unions? Is there some reason that teachers should be represented by unions? These parasites are working for US, and we’ve been removed from the bargaining table. Every time some teacher can’t cut the mustard, out pops some union goon to smoothe over that problem. We have teachers in classrooms who can’t teach, but, by george, they can’t be fired due to their union representation. It works the same in ALL gov’t offices. Many of these people are overpaid and generally useless, but they can’t be fired thanks to unions. Want more?

      • j.McConnell

        ” Is there some reason…”
        Yes. The same reason private sector workers should be entitled
        to union representation. A safe workplace. Negotiation of wages
        & benefits. Freedom from harassment by some memo writing,
        paper shuffling, pencil pushing middle management clowns that
        exist in both public and private sectors. Many who do not like
        union concepts like seniority would rather play bosses pet to get
        ahead.

    • DaveH

      The size of the wages isn’t the real issue. The productivity of the American Worker is. If we produce more, we can buy more with those smaller wages. And productivity is being wasted because we have too many chiefs (primarily Government) and too few indians. The only way to insure a robust economy is to dramatically downsize the meddlesome Government so that the former government workers can actually join the mainstream production instead of interfering with it.
      Pay attention. The Government get bigger, and the economy gets more tumultuous.

  • Robert

    to douglas c smith solar and wind will not work, nuclear power does. we need that money to rebuild highways, bridges, dams, and border fences to stem the illegal alliens. also more border patrols. we also need to stop spending our monies on illegal alliens and spend some of it on returning the illegal alliens to the other side of the borders. also we need to limit the lenth of time a person can receive welfare.

    • eddie47d

      Solar and Wind power do work. Nuclear also works if you are willing to fork out 15 billions for a small power plant or up to 40 billion for a larger one. Nuclear waste is a big problem but some of it can be recycled but that adds even more costs.

      • Eric Bischoff

        Yes and 20-30 years to build the Nuclear plant versus a few days or weeks to install solar, wind, geothermal, tidal, biogas, cogeneration.

        Ha! let’s wait and argue this out some more.

        • james

          How well is solar and wind power working for spain?
          Current unemployment is about 20 per cent?

          • Eric Bischoff

            Yeah let’s confuse the issue. What does one have to do with the other except to be fodder for your silly argument.

        • DaveH

          The permitting process is the primary reason for the lengthy build times for a nuclear plant.
          Eric, why do you constantly put other people down, when you are guilty yourself of being pretty damn ignorant? Do you somehow think that disparaging others will grow your stature? If so, you are wrong.
          For people, unlike Eric, who truly seek knowledge rather than affirmation of twisted ideas:
          http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/24/AR2009062403012_pf.html

          • eddie47d

            Dave: Eric has brought plenty to the table and you have been poking a few jabs yourself…chill out.

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            I disparage those who disparage me and others in an unprovoked fashion. I treat people like they treat me and my friends. If you don’t like my comments, it’s your choice to not read them.

  • truthncharity

    Eric,

    Please explain to me how extending the Bush-era tax cuts will “cost” $700 billion? And by the way, it’s not a “tax-cut” to extend it, it’s avoiding a tax hike.

    If they stay in place, that means everyone gets to keep their money. That money does not belong to the “government”…it belongs to the People. So who is it “costing”?

    As for the “wealthy” paying more…..how about asking congress to take a cut in pay? They average $175,000 per year…..that sure is a lot of money for someone “serving’ our country huh? Considering the average Army pay is $22,000 or so….I think that’s disgraceful that congress makes 8 times more than the folks who put their lives on the line in true service to our nation. How bout noone in the House or the Senate can ever make more than our military, and they get the same benefits?….I think that would save tons of money.

    • Teresa

      ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • eddie47d

        Maybe their pay is too much then again maybe not. The average CEO in this country receives an average of $7.3 million not including perks. The President pays is $400,000 and he runs a very large “corporation”. Since the private industry isn’t providing jobs then I would say they are the ones getting paid way too much.

        • DaveH

          Eddie,
          The Company Officers receive their high pay from the owners of the company. It’s none of your business what their pay is. If you want to dis high pay, why not talk about the sports stars or the movie stars?
          And the Corporations are providing employment. If they weren’t the unemployment numbers would be a lot higher than they are now. The question is, do the corporations employ people more efficiently, or does the Government? Are corporate employees more productive or are Government employees more productive? I believe if you put more time into studying the matter, it would be very clear that private corporations spend their money much more wisely than Government does.
          They have to. They can’t order people to buy their products like Government can. If they don’t do a good job they lose customers.

    • Eric Bischoff

      Its’ not a tax hike if it was an unfunded tax cut that had an expiration. Bush didn’t adjust the budget at the same time did he? No he spent even more. Or is that too complicated?

      • DaveH

        Yes, as a matter of fact, your double-speak is complicated. An “unfunded tax cut”? What would be “unfunded” is the Spending.
        And Bush indeed helped Congress spend like drunken sailors. That’s unfair of me, as at least drunken sailors are spending their own money. But it doesn’t matter what Bush spent now. He is gone. Obama and his Liberal cohorts are the problem now.

    • Bob Wire

      “And by the way, it’s not a “tax-cut” to extend it, it’s avoiding a tax hike. ”

      Well ~ if you want to put it that way. ~ Let’s allow the tax cuts to expire as they were designed and intended, clearing the way for the 112 Congress to address it and title it what they wish and take the responsibility for the decision.

      That would do several things, clear up any notions of giving or receiving, how and by whom and remove Bush’s name from the conversation.

      and we could all see Apples as Apples and know they truly are apples.

  • Larry

    What about HR 4646?

    • Teresa

      I think it’s kinda like a double/edge sword. If a person carries more money on them, which they will because they will not be using their ATM’s as much due to the charges enforced upon them the crime rate I feel will go up….but whos to say that’s not what they are anticipating???

  • Conservatives United

    It seems that Eric and Eddie need to get a new line. They like all good little liberals, are not inteligent enough, to think for themselves. All they can do is repeat the TIRED OLD TALKING points that their “Anointed One” and co-conspirators Queen Nancy Piglosi, and Dirty Harry spit out as FACTS.

    • Eric Bischoff

      That’s precious from a gang that so far seems mostly limited to quoting Fox and the Heritage Foundation!

      • DaveH

        Yet, I don’t recall you ever providing any references at all for your comments. If you dispute Fox or Heritage Foundation, show us some facts instead of conjecture. Convince us. Wow us with your economic knowledge rather than your personal attacks.

  • Wlmitch1

    I believe it is time for a Flat Tax and here is why. The progressive income tax is grossly unfair. Here is how an Income-percentage-based Flat Tax works. I will use 13% of taxpayers’ taxable incomes as an example. The standard deduction would be $10,400 for the wage-earner and his/her spouse, and $2,600 for each dependent. My argument is DO THE MATH! A family of four earning $36,000 a year would have a taxable income of $10,000 ($36,000 – $10,400 – $10,400 – $2,600 – $2,600 = $10,000). Their tax bill would be $1,300. A family of four earning $10,026,000 a year would have a taxable income of $10,000,000 ($10,026,000 – $10,400 – $10,400 – $2,600 – $2,600 = $10,000,000). Their tax bill would be $1,300,000. In BOTH cases, the tax bill is 13% of taxable income, $10,000 X 0.13 and $10,000,000 X 0.13 respectively. In this scenerio, the wage-earner whose taxable income is $10,000,000 would still be paying 1,000 times as much as the wage-earner whose taxable income is $10,000! Bottom Line: everyone pays the same 13% of his/her taxable income. The 13% figure is derived from the number of weeks in a year divided by four (52% / 4 = 13%). And to keep it simple, no tax loopholes, no death tax, and no marriage penalty. Businesses operate on a profit and loss basis, and do not have dependents. Only their NET profit (gross profit minus the daily expenses required to run a business) should be taxed at 13% with NO tax loopholes and NO taxes on the value of the machinery and supplies required to run the business. The strength of the Flat Tax is that it is based on simple math.

    When the Marxists/Socialists/Progressives say that the “RICH” do not pay their fair share, they are technically correct. MORE THAN DOUBLE their fair share is NOT their fair share! The Marxist/Socialist/Progressive solution is to tax the “RICH” even more, which is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what SHOULD be done, and makes the tax code EVEN MORE unfair!

    • Eric Bischoff

      Why should my labor be taxed at all?

      Wasn’t income tax implemented to rasie money for war?
      Shouldn’t it have been repealed?

      I realize we need money to operate a government and to provide defense and a safety net.

      Maybe we should consider a consumption tax instead.

      Reward the savers.

      Get rid of the overly complicated, convoluted, full of loop holes, overly preferential to whoever can afford a tax attorney, tax code.

      Make money from the abuse of consumption. You have money and you want 10 cars and 5 houses then you pay more and obviously you can afford it.

      • eddie47d

        Don’t think too much Eric for Conservatives United will get mad and will think you are taking away his thunder.

        • DaveH

          Neither one of you can be accused of thinking too much.

          • eddie47d

            …and who pissed in your vinegar?

          • Angel Wannabe

            Eddie, I think the question is, ” who pissed in your wheaties! “

      • Wlmitch1

        With the unnecessary propaganda aside, you bring up an excellent point. Prior to 1913, The Federal Tax System was based on tariffs and a national tax on purchases. There was no Federal Income Tax. Such a tax system would be ideal IF, AND ONLY IF, the Federal Income Tax were repealed. If it were not repealed, then the 13% Flat Tax, and NO National Sales Tax, would be best. This means either one or the other, but NOT both. At the state and county levels, the Income Tax and the Property Tax could be replaced with a Sales Tax.

        • Bob Wire

          I think a consumption or end use or user tax would be a fair a system that could be created.

          Only then would the true conservatives be known and seen!

          As it is today, ~ We pay for many things we don’t use .

          we pay for the building of infrastructure we don’t use but business does, ~ that our enticements to attract business and if that not enough we defer their taxes! They enjoy that for a few years and the relocate somewhere else.

          Whats wrong with expecting everyone to pay their own freight?

      • DaveH

        Are you kidding, Eric? If not, right on!
        Even better than a complicated consumption tax would be a flat tax. I’m not talking about a flat-rate tax which commonly gets called flat tax these days. I’m talking about each adult citizen paying the same tax (for the same equal treatment of the law). Those who can’t pay due to hardship would then be the ones with the burden of jumping through the paperwork hoops to explain why they can’t pay. The rest of us would just cut a check and be done with it. Of course, Government leaders wouldn’t go for that because the citizens would shrink Government dramatically if they had to pay for it out of their own pockets. Government waste would suddenly become meaningful to the 50% of the population that now pays little or nothing for the Federal Government.

  • Chris

    I love reading this newsletter and especially the comments of the readers. It shows me how many bigoted, right-wing lunatics there are running around this country. It also proves that America is falling way behind in educating its people. Perhaps we should start a “no adult left behind” program.

    • Eric Bischoff

      That’s good I like that!

    • Karolyn

      You know, Chris, before I started visiting this site, I didn’t know there were so many people like this in existence. It is a real learning experience. Scary too. I’m just glad I don’t have to live or work with any of them.

      • Bob Wire

        It’s a real eye opener isn’t it Karolyn.

        It’s hard to believe people think and see things the way they do. It’s hard to accept it as so. My nature is to look for the good in all things but seems they enjoy looking for just bad. I accept my failures and the penalties for my own neglect and foolish hopefulness.

        Both good & bad is always present and it’s always a been matter of what you wish to focus on. My guess is these are the “HORN People” ! they are always honking their horn and someone is always in their way! Hey ! Get out my way! I’ve got a life here! and you are interfering with my progress! If it wasn’t for “YOU” I would be one car length closer to were I’m going!

        I figure, if they had the time to horn their horn, they had the time to go around or stop. But they like that horn, it empowering I suppose. They are the noisy offended ones. There’s some truth in misery loving company and they want to share!

        I know this,~ after a few month here, ~ I’ve learned to cut these people little slack when it comes time to fill out an invoice anymore. No benefit of doubt, no leniency, business is a black & white retail transaction for me anymore, just like a traffic cop.

        So in looking for the good ! once again I’ve found it.

    • DaveH

      It’s a Covey of Liberals flocking together.
      So far, I have seen little knowledge flowing from the Covey though. Mostly personal attacks, fabricated facts, and unearned Condescension.
      Perhaps you Liberals could educate us. But first you need to educate yourselves. It’s easy to embrace Hopes and Dreams. What’s not so easy is Reality.
      Maybe, you (the intelligent class) could lead the way. Put your money together and form companies to save our economy. It shouldn’t be hard at all for you educated folks. That’s right, you will have to give up a lot of your partying and start doing some real work, but you can do it, you are the educated ones.

      • Karolyn

        See what I mean, Dave? What’s all this about “partying”. Where does rhetoric like that come from? I just don’t get it.

        • DaveH

          It has everything to with partying, Karolyn. While most Liberals are enjoying their lives, living for the moment, most Conservatives are studying, working long hours, taking both financial and monetary risks, and sacrificing pleasure to prepare for the future. When they reach success (if they do) the Liberals come along and want to relieve them of the rewards they worked so hard to achieve.
          Don’t get me wrong. I have no problem with people partying. Just don’t try to ride on the backs of others when you eventually have to pay for the consequences of your live-for-today life-styles.

          • DaveH

            I meant to say ‘taking both financial and personal risks’.

  • Kickapoojoe

    I am now over 70 and have gone through several major changes in my political thinking over the years. I never became involved in politics as I felt I was way to stupid to understand all the “stuff” these wonderful and upright men and women in the government were doing for all of us. :o) However I did finally wake up and opened my eyes wide and gasped at what was going on while I was working and raising a family like half of legal Americans were also doing. Wow, am I ashamed I was caught sleeping and letting the government take control of my life in so many ways. Our Manchurian president and his gang are taking us all down the tube and there are so many fools that cannot see what is actually going on, that he has a good chance of his goal of destroying Our America. I agree with most of the postings on this site, But I Will Keep “Eric” In My Prayers, although it sounds like it may be too late.

  • FirinPin48

    Well folks get ready for food control, and higher prices, the new farm bill is under way, it has one stop to go, the lam duck session, and it will be passed, if you don’t know what this is its the bill that will stop all the mom & pop road side fruit & vegetable stands, your back yard gardens, Remember the man in Georgia they (the government) fined him $5000 for giving left over food away from his garden, and now he is not allowed to grow a garden hmmmmm.

    Hunting and Fishing is next.

    • Karolyn

      Have you written to your congressmen about this? As soon as I’m informed of anything stupid like that, I contact my congressman. And it does work! I get emails from organizations about health issues and we have won many battles. I’m going to look this up right now!

      • DaveH

        Good for you, Karolyn. It’s got the sugar-coated name of “Food Safety”, S. 510
        Here is a description of it:
        http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=7319

        • DaveH

          From the senate.gov website:
          http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=2&vote=00251

          Note that you need to pick the link ‘S. 510′ to get to the actual bill description. The site was down when I tried. My Senators (both Republican) voted against it. This bill is nothing more than Food Fascism.

          • Karolyn

            Thanks for the info Dave. Everybody here should speak out also. Unfortunately, I am not informd on everything, but when I am, I act.

          • DaveH

            Notice too, Karolyn, that most of the Senators who voted against S. 510 proceeding forward were Republicans. I think, Karolyn, that if you spent some time studying the actual votes on these bills, you might realize that the Democrats support the Large Corporations more than do the Republicans. The Democrats give a lot of lip service to Republican support of Big Business, but the truth is the opposite. The Republicans traditionally support less regulation which is better for small businesses as the large companies can easily afford the lawyers and paper-pushers that are necessary to comply with the myriad regulations, but their smaller competitors can’t.

  • jopa

    If the top 2% of the richest in our country continue to get the tax break given by the Bush administration, we will have to borrow 700 billion dollars and our grandchildren will have to pay for it.How can anyone be so cruel and say the tax break for the rich is a good thing?

    • RoBoTech

      Show me where that statement is a FACT, not a Progressive talking point!
      Until you do, You, Sir, are a liar!
      And Progressives most CERTAINLY do not care about their grand kids debt! It’s too late to care now that the Progressives have bankrupted America with their Fantasy spending agenda!
      For the adults in the room, see my above post!

      • Bob Wire

        well, let see, we have a budget and we have revenue and then the dreaded “short falls” that little bit of month after the end of the money.

        It’s not really rocket surgery if you study it.

        Today we have a 13.8 almost 14 Trillion dollar debit. ~ The current administration inherited roughly 12 of it.

        So it’s a little late to see the bear! He got us in a good hug and an ready to clamp down on our skull and pop it like ripe fruit for whats inside. It’s taking a half a year to pay the interest.

        The only good news is, ~ you have some leverage when you owe people money. They don’t want you to die or go broke but stay in the game and keep making those payments you agreed to make.

      • Eric Bischoff

        You sir are the liar.

        Real progressives have never controlled politics or business in this country.

        Their sole influence has been to improve workers rights, human rights, civil rights and the environment..

        Government and business has always been controlled by conservatives whether they are Republicans or Democrats they are all Conservatives.

        You have only yourselves to blame for this mess we’re in.

        • Angel Wannabe

          laughing Eric!__lol

          • Michael J.

            Angel,
            Don’t know about you, but I’m gonna write a letter to my congressman and tell him to defund NPR and Eric.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Michale J, They’re nothing but a bunch if idiots!!__and I’m still snickering!!

    • RoBoTech

      By the way, you and Harry Reid need to get your lie….er stories straight.
      he says 4 TRILLION!
      http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/130051-senate-dems-decide-to-play-hardball-on-taxes-after-marathon-meetings-

    • DaveH

      Those rich income earners you love to envy, Jopa, are the people who invest their money in capital goods (machinery) to make our productivity higher. They are the people who create the companies that provide the rest of us with productive jobs.
      Sure they do it for themselves, but you want to take their money for yourself and your friends. So who is more selfish? I say you.
      The fact that the Government has taken less from them, since the tax cuts were created, is not the problem. The problem is the wasteful Government Spending. Government has created failure after failure (Post Office, Social Security, Medicare, Most of the Government Agencies) and for good reason. Their customer (the citizen) has no choice, so why should the Government Employees work hard? They have nothing to lose. Whereas in private industry, if the companies don’t please the customers they lose the customers’ patronage.

  • RoBoTech

    Harry Reid just said that he wants the GOP to ask to pass tax breaks for the rich that would cost us 4 Trillion $.
    Does anyone here fall for that?
    How can what we never had be a deficit?
    The only thing I can figure is that the Dems have already counted the tax increases and will be out 4 Trillion in their spending agenda! And PROBABLY already spent it!
    Does “counting chickens before…blah…blah..” come to mind?

  • Stu

    Chip Wood,
    You talked about Quantitative Easing. I just received and email this morning on this subject. Check out the video. Pass it along to your readers. It really is good for people to hear and realize that the government and the Federal Reserve (misnamed like the Employee Free Choice Act because it is not part of the government and there are no reserves) is pulling a fast one on the American people.

    The Absurdities Of Quantitative Easing

    http://www.businessinsider.com/quantitative-easing-cartoon-2010-11

    • Eric Bischoff

      Brilliant system isn’t it!

      The Fed is a key piece of the International investment bankers cartel. It works for wealth and the 1% of the wealthy in the world who control everything.

      That’s why I can’t understand why the middle class continues to vote against their best interest to protect the wealhty’s right to get wealthier at their expense?

      • Bob Wire

        they hold visions and hopes of maybe being one Eric.

        If they can’t be wealthy, they’ll settle for being a lap dog for the wealthy.

        They are hard wired that way. They see no common ground, it’s all or nothing.

        A fundamental ideology.

        They reasoning is, the poor and middle classes have little to offer them and hold dreams of being entitled if only by proxy and cast a wealthy man vote.

        It’s as if, discontent rules their being, an emptiness that can never be filled. ~A game of social economics and it’s winner take all and losers ~ just disappear?

        Slavery is not to far back in our recent past ~ people are still wanting to make salves of other people to do their bidding on the cheap.

        As the National debit approaches 14 Trillion, they want federal taxes to stay low while the top holds tight to their gains while suggesting they “might” invest back into the country that has offered them the opportunity to be wealthy.

        “Might” really doesn’t cut it for me anymore. We’ve been “promised and might” to death.

        The wealthy are interfering with market pressures, and supply and demand. They figure they can starve us out, and we’ll cave in.

        I’m not convinced taxes needs to be raised, but I’m not convinced the American people can afforded banking institutions like Goldman Sachs or AIG.

        Until we American’s start getting more bang for the buck ~ I’m slow to give them another buck.

      • Michael J.

        Eric,
        Have you ever seen a list of members attending a Bilderberg meeting? Because that’s what we’re talking about here. Representatives of both parties are present with the overwhelming majority being Democrats. The Rothschilds and the Rockefellers of the world own the Fed and their collection agency, the IRS. Republicans and Libertarians are the only ones advocating auditing or even closing the Fed and it’s evil twin, the IRS.
        Can you name even one Democrat that wants to audit or close the FED and the IRS?

        • JeffH

          Here here!

  • John D

    Here is a scenario for you, the Three Stooges go to a yard sale. There is a large heavy suitcase that they look at. They ask if they can open it to see what’s in it. The owner says NO, “you have to buy this suitcase to see what’s in it”!!! They ask how much, the owner says $300.00. They don’t have that much cash. So they agree to give the difference in clothing. Now they have given their last penny and their clothes & shoes for this suitcase. Here they stand in their underwear in the cold & they get to open the suitcase they bought. As you might have guessed it’s full of horse manure! Now for the 3 stooges that’s funny. For real life with Obamacare bill & the congress it’s a tragedy!! That staement from Nancy Pelosi borders on the insane. I don’t think Elmer Gantry & the Eron boys would have had the rocks to make that statement. However congress bought the suitcase and we got the horse manure. I wonder what fertiliser sells for these days?

    • Eric Bischoff

      There was something actually priceless in that suitcase. But you are too busy making fun of everything. A provision to stop insurance companies from DISCRIMINATING on preexisting conditions. That alone is worth it’s price in gold. We should have left it at that the rest is horse manure.

      • KKuurus

        Eric please look up what insurance is. It’s not a bank to pay for your problems after you know you have them, it’s protection against the unknown.

        • Eric Bischoff

          Let’s be honest it’s legalized mafia and it has no business interfering and adding costs to healthcare unless it was all strictly non-profit. They make more money by denying claims when you need them the most. Anyone who supports this is a crook in my book.

          I have had Allstate home insurance in Long Island for 20 years without a single claim and they just dropped me. They came in to NY drove the prices down, drove out the competition and now that the potential of a hurricane is looming they want out fast.

          That’s why we need regulation! Because you can’t always trust businesses to do the right thing.

          • DaveH

            No, Let’s really be honest, Eric. You don’t have to buy insurance. It is a voluntary choice. On the other hand, you want to force them to take on customers with pre-existing conditions, in which case they are guaranteed to pay out more than those customers pay in. That is much more like Mafia behavior than what the Insurance Customers are doing.
            Nobody has to buy health insurance. I don’t and never will. By buying health insurance you are adding a middleman who not only costs you more in the long run, but also interferes with your doctor/patient relationship. Now, however, trade that voluntary middle-man with a middle-man who you have to pay by law. What do you get? A middle man who doesn’t need to worry about pleasing you, because he can’t lose you as a customer.
            As far as an insurance company denying legitimate claims, that is what courts are for.
            So we add the costs of the regulators to the already burdensome costs of Insurance and that somehow helps?
            There is an answer to this. You and your very capable Liberal (oops, Progressive) Buddies can pool your monies and start your own Insurance Companies. You can then give away your services to anybody you please. Be the Compassionate Liberal that you claim to be.

          • DaveH

            I meant to say “Your behavior is much more like Mafia behavior than what the Insurance Companies are doing”.

        • Bob Wire

          “It’s not a bank to pay for your problems after you know you have them, it’s protection against the unknown.”

          exactly ! and not truly “insurance” and surly unworthy and not a dependable enough instrument to provide “health care” to a nation of people interested in securing their economic future or personal health as “Insurance implies”

          But a house game of roulette with a $400 per month opening bid and a spin of the wheel. Knowing you’re not going to win but hoping you might not loose. How else might might it be described?

          It is known you will die, the wager is only how and when.

          Not an very effective or humanitarian instrument for insuring basic health care but actually exploit mortality in a game of wager and fear.

  • james

    Lets look at dear ole john kerry and his charming wifes holding of 57 Heniz Ketchup factories in CHINA? How noble, one can see where the mans heart lies, can you not?

    One thing tho, as bad as Enron was, our govt. makes them look like sunday school teachers.

    • eddie47d

      james; What is so surprising about someone expanding their business into other countries. Think McDonald’s and hundreds of others. Now if someone moves their whole operation out of this country then that is a different story.

  • Bill

    We need our Military without them we would not be here. I f you want to cut something first start with reducing the size of government, and then cut all there staff by 20 percent, plus a 15 percent cut in pay, then have the same health care system that we are being forced to take.
    And Obama and his wife must also take all these cut and her cut in staff
    would be 50 percent. Then reduce corporate taxes so many of the companies that left the USA would come back an more would come, that means people would be back to work and paying taxes and not on Government hand outs. And all people on welfare would have would have to take a blood test, just like we do for our jobs. Maybe a flat tax for all with no loop holes.

  • Ronald Johnston

    Roger Ailes is crucified for saying the NPR is using Nazi tactics? Why didn’t the witch pelosi get the same treatment for calling us tea party sympathizers nazis? She would have been burned at the stake if she had come along in 1600′s Massachusetts.

    • Michael J.

      Ronald,
      I think not, Nasty Nancy would have used the stake and the straw kindling to fashion a broom and fly away.

  • JeffH

    I’m reposting this just so I can get my 2cents worth in.
    JeffH says:
    November 19, 2010 at 4:07 pm
    Eric is the enemy, a socialist and an admitted Alinsky-ite…give it up Eric, I for one won’t take the time to “debate” or even discuss your communistic progressive arguements…all you want is “social equality” which constitutes stealing from the “haves” and giving it to the “have nots”. Simply put, the “redistribution of wealth”.

    The American Dream, the rags to riches tales are an integral part of what makes the United States a beacon to immigrants who dream of a better life, not the thievery and deceit being projected by our government representatives. To allow the expansion and continued use of entitlements promotes nothing more than mediocrity.

    The work hard, get rich formula is deeply embedded in the American psyche. For every dynastic family name such as Kennedy or Rockefeller, there are those who reached the top through creativity and sweat, from Sam Walton who built the global Walmart empire from a single dime store in Arkansas, to Google founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin who started their company in a garage.

    Graham, the Brookings economist who studies happiness, said most Americans, including the poor, believe that hard work is more important than luck in getting ahead.

    One can only hope it’s not too late to rediscover the roots of American success, but to all of those like Eric espousing the ideals of Marx, Lenin, Mao, Che and Alinsky I will say this: You’ll get your’s, one way or another, in the end.

    For God and Country…fight the good fight fellow patriots!

    • Eric Bischoff

      You don’t know what you are talking about. I am not espousing the ideals of Marx Lenin Mao or any other failed communist. You can accuse me of that but it doesn’t make it true. It makes you either a fool or a liar or at best disingenuous.

      • JeffH

        …looney tune…! You are what you are…a Marxist!

        • Angel Wannabe

          Jeffh___Thanks!___Still, I hear the laughter Eric!!!___lol

      • JeffH

        “And so the guided questioning goes on without anyone losing face or being left out of the decision-making. Every weakness of every proposed tactic is probed by questions…. Is this manipulation? Certainly….”

        “One of the factors that changes what you can and can’t communicate is relationships. There are sensitive areas that one does not touch until there is a strong personal relationship based on common involvements. Otherwise the other party turns off and literally does not hear….

      • Michael J.

        Eric,
        Tis the fate of the unsuspecting victim not to know the identity or intentions of the real wizard standing behind the curtain.

      • eddie47d

        What about the thievery and deceit of Lehman Brothers and Arthur Anderson and all those other “patriotic ” companies? Why did you leave out that liberal Bill Gates who started the business in a garage. There are many successes and failures in America and good and evil. Trying to always pin it on communism(marxist) is more than extreme.

        • JeffH

          eddie47d, please explain to me where I was “Trying to always pin it on communism(marxist) is more than extreme.”?
          If you “guess” correctly you win!

          • eddie47d

            5:08 pm

          • JeffH

            SO the Marxist shoe fits Eric and his diatribe. Where does that fit in with what you said or what my previous comment said?

      • DaveH

        Eric says he is not a Marxist. And maybe that’s right, but the natural order of Progressive ideals leads to that.
        They get their foot in the door in seemingly innocuous ways at first. But every little bit of income redistribution leads to a slightly worse economy. As people whose rewards are pillaged are naturally going to work less, thus producing less. And those who are given something for nothing sure aren’t going to work harder. So our economy dwindles. As the economy dwindles, the Liberals sell more of their snake-oil as the remedy, and the increasingly ignorant voters buy into the Hopes and Dreams. So the economy dwindles more and the number of non-producers (Liberals) increases until finally our economy is completely run by Big Government and is completely exhausted.
        So, whether Eric’s intentions are Marxist or not, the results will eventually be the same.

      • JC

        Don’t be so hard on yourself Eric…you’re “Tremendous Communist”.
        Somebody somewhere must be very proud of you. :)

        • Angel Wannabe

          JC, Yeah Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Obama!!!! :)

  • jopa

    I sometimes think we have a little overkill when it comes to todays conflicts.We don’t need nuclear submarines to chase down camels.We don’t need multi-billion dollar aircraft carriers for drones.I feel we could do a better job with our troops here on our own borders, using Israel screening practices at airports and saving the lives of our troops and we could cut the militaries budget in half without without any sacrifice to national security.I know it will never happen because it would result in the loss of jobs in the districts of our legislators.Just a thought.

    • Eric Bischoff

      Agreed. We need the Swiss model, which is why Hitler never attacked them, plenty of expert marksmen. More Navy Seals and Special Forces. A lean mean fighting machine.

    • JeffH

      “Radicals must be resilient, adaptable to shifting political circumstances, and sensitive enough to the process of action and reaction to avoid being trapped by their own tactics and forced to travel a road not of their choosing.” p.6

      “A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage — the political paradise of communism.”

      The tenth rule… is you do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments….

      • Eric Bischoff

        You know I keep getting accused of being a communist or a marxist like that’s gonna hurt my feelings or something but you guys sure know and quote the Marxist agenda alot. So who’s the real Marxist?

        • Angel Wannabe

          Laughter Eric!___Laughter!

        • JeffH

          …it’s called “understand your enemy”…Comrad Eric!

          • Michael J.

            JeffH,
            Like I said, Eric’s a victim of indoctrination and doesn’t even know it.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Yeah JeffH, and the commies just hate the hell outta that!!!

        • da norseman

          Tsk, tsk, tsk!

        • Bob Wire

          They call everyone they don’t agree with a Marxist, commie pinko ~ get use to it.

          How they manage to drive their cars about without getting on public highways, I’ve yet to figure out. The Great Socialist Eisenhower taxed the people and made them build good highways to connect all of America’s cities. They don’t like a demanding government. They don’t like the SSS, they don’t like anything the Fed does except kicking ass and protect borders and national interest,like big oil and big business in general.

          Forget CDC, or FDA ~it’s all a commie plot !

          It’s all overkill vibrato ~ what it takes to wake people up to start the momentum of change. ~ For we have allowed the Fed too much latitude and too much power over our state.

          But I fear, if we every manage to downsize the FED ~ we’ll be left to fight the same battle at the state level, ~ and I don’t see a win as obvious.

    • Karolyn

      Great points, Jopa! I guess they like the big battleships and carriers because somebody gets their name on them.

      • DaveH

        Whether we lose our Freedom to the Fiscal Liberals or to the Social Conservatives, we still Lose Our Freedom.
        Vote Libertarian, our only hope for real Freedom:
        http://libertarianparty.com/platform

  • Ken

    I would welcome a multi-million person march on Washington. A physical confrontation with Congress is necessary to get through to the arrogant politicians presently in Congress. Have tar and feathers, will attend.

  • http://www.TomBlairEA.com Thomas Avery Blair

    (1) Let’s not fund the Congress for the rest of this fiscal year! (2) Then fund the military 100% of last years’ budget…
    (3) Freeze all earmarks…
    (4) Cut all other federal expenditures by 7% across the board…some vendors will just have to wait for payment until after October 1st 2011 provided they have met every jot and tittle of their contracts on time each and every time…those who are late in 2010 or 2011 delivery, get to wait for payment in October 2012.

    This will give the Tea Party an opportunity to “revisit” the federal budget and square it with revenues and savings toward a balance and later a surplus and even a repayment plan of the national debt.

    Either that, or let’s just bankrupt the Federal Reserve, disavow the greenback 100% and start all over with a new currency tied to gold, silver, copper, etc. I suggest the new currency be termed “the Amero” and that the currency be “monetized precious metals content” and include both Mexican and Canadian as well as US banks not currently under investigation for fraud.

    At least food for thought, is it not?

    Respectfully submitted,

    Thomas Avery Blair, EA

  • chuckb

    ken

    that’s the only way things will be changed in this country. the people will have to take it upon themselves to demand policy change, now, not ten years down the road.
    we are in the throes of socialism (progressive democrats, communist). the liberals writing on this post are an example of whats wrong, they want all the freebies at the expense of the taxpayers and blame the rich for not paying more tax when they have exhausted the middle class ability to pay more.
    they worship at the altar of a man who is as confused as they are.
    has anyone checked out barry’s little escapade with bp:

    It seemed like a miracle that our President was able to convince BP to
    establish a $20 billion escrow fund to compensate those hurt by the oil plume in
    the Gulf of Mexico. After all, he had no constitutional power to force
    them to do so; so had to resort to Chicago-style negotiating.

    Ever wonder why BP made the concession so quickly?

    Take a closer look at the effect on BP’s finances for the answer:

    1. BP will establish a $20 billion fund, but will pay only $7 billion into
    it during 2010.

    2. BP is a British corporation, but has a very large operating entity in
    the US . However, only about 30% of its income is derived from the US.

    3. By Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP), BP must book the
    entire $20 billion expense in the year accrued. Therefore, they will book a $20
    billion expense in 2010, reducing their US tax liability by $7 billion.

    4. The President also convinced this massive corporation to show their
    concern for the “small people” by withholding dividends to their shareholders
    for the last 3 quarters of 2010. This reduces their outward cash flow by
    about $7.5 billion, including approximately 40% of that amount to US citizens.
    If the Bush tax cuts survive through 2010, the US Treasury will lose another
    $450 million in taxes on that amount. No need to even discuss the effect on
    the US economy.

    Now, let’s summarize the results into bullet points easily understood by
    all.

    BP Cash Flow:

    o Escrow funding ($7 billion)

    o Dividend saving $7.5 billion

    o Tax savings $7 billion

    o Net favorable cash flow: $7.5 billion

    US Treasury Tax Receipts:

    o from BP Corporate income tax …. minus $7.5 billion

    o from BP Shareholders’ income tax ….. minus $0.45 billion

    o Net loss of US dividend income tax receipts ….. minus $3.0 billion

    o Total tax receipts loss: $10.95 billion. A huge hit!

    Many feared this would happen. After all, our President was the most
    inexperienced man in the room.

    Did he “Kick Ass”, or did he get ”Sucker Punched”? Or, is this another
    ‘backroom deal’ Obama negotiated which will ultimately get him a huge
    financial ‘plum’? Should Obama be negotiating anything
    dealing with money and finances at all?

    Bottom line: The $20 Billion BP is putting up will create a $7.5 Billion
    positive cash flow for BP this year and a $10.95 billion loss to our Treasury.

    But, Obama actually thinks he really did something special and “kicked
    ass’.

    In reality, BP executives are laughing at him and kicked his ass. He is in
    over his head when he starts dealing with savvy business people.

    YEP !!! THIS IS A HARVARD GRADUATE ! ! !

    • Eric Bischoff

      Yeah! you are right, we should let them pollute and trample all over us as much as they want. Because the only thing that matters is oil in our guzzlers and share holder profits. Everything else can go straight to hell. Including all of the people in the south who keep getting hit with one event after another. But why should we help them, why should we give anyone a handout?

      All I can say is that you better hope the next storm or accident is not in your neighborhood next time.

      • JC

        You simple “tool”. Ya missed the point enirely! hahaha
        God! But you Liberals are children,.

        • Bob Wire

          sweeping general statements is more common of children is my experience.

          And name calling removes any doubts.

  • Another Voice

    Hey, I wouldn’t worry too much about the lame duck congress. They haven’t had the cojones to do much of anything anyway in the 2 years of Obama’s presidency. And even Obama has been caving to Republican demands since his inauguration. He is going to leave it to the Republicans to screw the middle class all by themselves after the new congress is sworn in.

    • Bob Wire

      hmm? when did you make it back to town? Enjoy your trip?

  • VJ

    The supreme court opened up the flood gates for funding and it proved it in this election. Meg Whitman (California) alone poured 140million of her own bucks into her campaign. Add to that the corporations that can act as an individual whew!!!! stand back folks. We’re into buying elections big time now

    “Politicians spent a staggering $4.2billion on campaign TV ads in the run-up to last week’s mid-term elections, it was claimed today.
    The 1.48 million television spots were the most for any election in U.S. history – including the 2008 presidential campaign.”

    • Eric Bischoff

      There you go!

      The best Democracy money can buy. Oooh wait I should have said Republic!

    • Karolyn

      A very small lpercentage of that would have fed a lot of people!

    • JeffH

      “Meg Whitman (California) alone poured 140million of her own bucks into her campaign”…HER OWN BUCKS!

      Jerry Brown was backed and primarily funded by the unions. Organizers for the labor union UNITE HERE Local 49, sits down at a table, references a flier with a red check next to a picture of Democrat Jerry Brown and explains in English and Spanish why the gubernatorial candidate is union-endorsed over Republican Meg Whitman.
      “Jerry Brown, he wants to create more jobs and make the city stronger,” he tells workers. “It’s very important that you support this guy, not her.”
      Called a work-site informational blitz, the statewide effort is a major component of the California Labor Federation’s campaign to get union members to head to the polls and vote for Brown come Election Day. The blitzes occur at the beginning of every month at about 150 union sites, said Steve Smith, a spokesman for the federation.

      The unions have spent more than $18 million to help Jerry Brown. And
      it’s no surprise that they would continue their investment through these tactics.

      • Eric Bischoff

        Meg Whitman managed to screw up two companies in the short time she got to lead them, FTD and eBay. Californians should consider themselves lucky. Sometimes massive amounts of money is just not enough. Thank God!

        • JeffH

          Zig heil Herr Comrad Bischoff! Dinner time, now go back to the trough for your evening feed.

          • Bob Wire

            and what kind of mature, insightful banter might we consider that to be or are we left only to consider the source and let it pass without comment?

  • http://yahoo Lu Ann

    Dear God, after reading all the trash Eric wrote, I am more convinced than ever that Liberalism, communism, etc is a mental disorder. No one that was not mentally deranged could believe that sh#%! It may be genetic!

    • Eric Bischoff

      God can’t help you Lu Ann he could care less about your diatribe.

      Since when is liberal which means open minded have any automatic association with liberalism and communism? You people make shit up all of the time. And you conveniently attack and accuse people of being part of one ism or another.

      I don’t see any posts from yopu that bring any enlightenment on any subject just insults.

      Who’s deranged?

      • da norseman

        You don’t speak for God, Eric! The way it sounds is that you speak for yourself and your “dead buddies” with the names of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels.

        • Eric Bischoff

          Butt out you mouth breathing, knuckle dragging neanderthal.

          • JeffH

            Nice to see that Comrad Eric practices what he preaches…5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.”

      • Angel Wannabe

        ___ “Then, as you zero in and freeze your
        target and carry out your attack, all of
        the “others” come out of the woodwork
        very soon. They become visible by their
        support of the target.___sal alinsky__Rules for radicals!
        Do you hear the laughter Eric???

      • JeffH

        Obama’s Ideological Father: “Gramsci… organized the Italian Communist party in 1921.
        His first stratagem was the assault on Christianity by arguing religion should not inform or be employed in public discourse. Gramsci realized that if religion were confined to private worship, its hold on [Italians] would dissipate….
        Marx indulged in a virulent form of ceremonial confessional Satanism….which was to be seen in his consistently and professionally anti-God and godless outlook…
        Alinsky was a satanist who dedicated his “Rules for Radicals” to the first revolutionary…Lucifer

        I fully agee with the words of Diane Alden who wrote in 2002;
        “…without the importance of the individual, without individual excellence, without the Judeo-Christian idea that humanity is gifted by the Creator with certain unalienable rights, it is easy for a philosophy like Nazism or communism or some variant form to become the idea behind the state.”

        • Vicki

          The the saying “those who believe in nothing will fall for anything”

          Something our forefathers tried to do is to point out that our Creator gave us those gifts including free will. All we have to do is remind folk even those who believe in nothing that they were created by their Creator. And Their Creator (even if they believe they created themselves gave them these gifts. And that governments are instituted amongst men to protect these gifts from those who would force their will upon them.

          This concept does not require the person to believe in the God of the Buddhist nor the God of the Muslim nor the God of the Christian or Jew nor the God of the Diest nor the Gods of the Greek Empire nor any God at all.

          SOMETHING created you. That object/entity gave you free will amongst other gifts which are self evident (See Declaration of Independence USA Circa 1776 AD for a partial list).

          You can of course believe that nothing created you and for you I have a simple question. Do you think?

          • Angel Wannabe

            Problem is Vicki, alot of these non-believers think they got a better plan than what God Gave us___John Adams said it best__

            “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
            John Adams

            and thus, those that don’t believe are trying to force the hand of the rest of us who do believe in the living God, into following they’re direct path to hell_I be damned if I’m going to Hell, by someone elses hand____I’m accountable for me!

          • Vicki

            Angel wrote:
            “those that don’t believe are trying to force the hand of the rest of us”

            And thus is why governments are instituted amongst men. However it is becoming apparent that the current government is now trying to force the hand of the rest of us. This is not a good thing.

            Remember the boxes. Keep them well used, dry and oiled as appropriate.

          • Eric Bischoff

            I think therefore I am.

        • Eric Bischoff

          So with that logic what are we to make of Bush’s grand father being involved in financing hitler and being involved in the inception of the Federal Reserve?

          • Angel Wannabe

            Eric__ Prescott Bush was apparently involved wit hilter and Daddy Bush spoke of NWO while in office__Dubya never said a word about it___ George Bush JR is no more responcible for the actions of his Grandfather or his Father, than we’re responcible for the actions of our white slave owner ancestors!!!__All I hear is you Progressives say, Obama wasn’t influenced by his communist up bringing, if thats the case then, the rules are the same for either side!!_____I’ve read alot of things in my time particualry in the last two years___That doesn’t mean I believe every last word of it!!!

      • Karolyn

        Very good point, Eric. Like I said – kindergartners in the playground.

        • JeffH

          …and we all know who indoctrinated you…

          • Karolyn

            Thanks for proving my point, Jeff.

          • JeffH

            K, the point is the top of your “Dunce” cap…the point of your “cone” head…your indoctrination headwear.

          • Karolyn

            Gee Jeff, I don’t know what profession you’re in, but I sure hope you’re not a comedian because you’d fail very miserably.

          • JeffH

            K, sorry to burst your bubble, I was serious!

        • Vicki

          Karolyn says:
          “Very good point, Eric. Like I said – kindergartners in the playground.”

          Hmmmm…. ad hominim attack. Did you guys just loose a debate?

          • Eric Bischoff

            Not at all Dumo

          • Vicki

            Look. Another ad hominem attack by an (Cough cough) open minded person. Loose ANOTHER debate did you Eric?

      • Paul R

        Answer…………YOU!!!

      • Vicki

        Eric Bischoff writes:
        “I don’t see any posts from yopu that bring any enlightenment on any subject just insults.”

        I am not sure you are the (classical) liberal you claim to be. You do not appear to be open minded enough. You seem to see only the insults and not the enlightened discussion. I know it is hard sometimes because of all the ad hominem attacks.

      • JC

        Eric Bischoff says:
        November 19, 2010 at 5:57 pm
        God can’t help you Lu Ann he could care less about your diatribe.

        Since when is liberal which means open minded have any automatic association with liberalism and communism? You people make shit up all of the time. And you conveniently attack and accuse people of being part of one ism or another.

        I don’t see any posts from yopu that bring any enlightenment on any subject just insults.

        Who’s deranged?

        Well, let’s start by answering your last question. A: YOU.
        And Liberal “used” to mean having an open mind. Things like “live and let live” were Liberal standards and good ones at that.
        But apparently while you were standing around being all open minded your minds fell out of your heads. And then you noticed the rest of us getting ahead because we were working while you figuring out how to be more open minded. I’ll bet that’s when you decided that things weren’t fair and we should share the wealth. It’s also when you went from Liberal to Communist. And it was about that time, that we started to get the feel of hope and change…that America saw the greatest period of firearms purchases in its history. Ammunition disappearing off the shelf….

        You’re a bright boy Eric, you can see where this is going…

        In any event, there’s no point in people who say the things you do trying to compare themselves to “classic liberals”.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Lu Ann__ The more you ignore them the better, they’re paid commies to be here to antagonize, disrupt and basically try to take over!___I’m still laughing at them !___If the commies knew half as much as they thought they did, they be something other than Commie shills!!!

  • Eric Bischoff

    oooh another compassionate clueless person.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Still not hearing the laughter Eric?–lol

      • da norseman

        Nah! His mind is too inept to understand the concept. LOL!!!

  • Disabled Veteran Brian

    Lame duck or swollen goose on steroids? Neither slang nor slur says enough about the lazy, entitled, self infatuated sons and daughters of parents that met briefly at a costume ball, the Democratic controlled congress. Pass a bill? Only if it takes money that I worked very hard to earn.
    Pass an entitlement or a taxation…yeah, we can do that. Pass a health care bill that the Democrats of the House didn’t read and can’t understand, yeah, we can do that….Spend trillions of other people’s money, the U.S. taxpayer, yeah, we can do that.
    I can’t wait until the NEXT election, to see more of these sorry sons of female dogs retired to the funny farm they belong in. If possible, leave room for the head of the Fed, Helicopter Ben.

  • da norseman

    REAL people go out and find work (or start their own business) by pulling their own weight! People who are physically fit but are way too dependent on government and elect not to find work are downright lazy and a bunch of wusses!!!

    • Karolyn

      And YOU are Mr. Macho-Man. People like you make me sick. You want everybody to be like you. Did you ever stop to think of what a fracked-up world it would be if we were all like you? Not everybody has the same abilities, intelligence or motivation to do what you may or may not have done. Just like I can’t hammer a nail without hitting my finger, but I can take a good picture and write a good column and draw and dance. I am not a very good business person. I’ve tried it. Of course, at least I tried; but my point is EVERYBODY IN THIS WORLD IS UNIQUE! Yes, there are people who can’t think for themselves. There are people with low IQs like many on this site (I couldn’t resist!). Give it a rest, will you? No matter our differences, we are each part of a whole called humanity.

      • da norseman

        Karolyn, It’s not just me! It’s a majority of hardworking Americans making a living who are sick and tired of paying for your lazy ass and anyone else like you who is not disabled. Why don’t you get off your duff and quit being a whiner!!! I’m not targeting only you, it’s all crybabies like you! I’m not being nasty, I’m being honest. You just hate work!

        • Karolyn

          You don’t know me norseman. You don’t know how hard I work or don’t work. And it really doesn’t matter. Anybody that knows anything knows that it isn’t necessarily “hard work” that makes for success. I’m not your “typical” American woman who married and had a couple of kids and a husband to support her. I have supported myself all my life, even when there was a man in it.

          • Vicki

            Bravo. Good Job Karolyn. So why do you need our stuff?

          • da norseman

            Well you don’t know me either, Karolyn, so there!!! Many of us are already sick and tired of having to compensate for lazy people – which I call the “easy money” people – who refuse to pick up and look into a help wanted ad or scroll through the web. There are jobs out there and that’s no excuse!!! I don’t believe in that alibi that there are no jobs available. That’s a bunch of B.S.!!!

            Be happy now, because there will come a day – and I know it will not be long – that those of us who have jobs will not have to have our tax dollars wasted on laziness so all who prefer to be unemployed will have to find some other way – perhaps from mama or papa???

          • DaveH

            It doesn’t matter if you work hard or not, Karolyn. The fact is that you support the income redistribution (theft) that has taken over the Democrat Party. You are aiding and abetting them.

          • Karolyn

            Vicki – I never said I needed your “stuff.” What are you talking about?

          • da norseman

            Oh Brother!!!!!

          • Vicki

            Karolyn why were you complaining about cutting government funding to charities. Charities should get ALL their funds from private donations. These “evil” Rich people even volunteered to help.
            http://www.thestreet.com/story/10827050/billionaires-who-are-giving-away-their-money.html

            Go talk to them if your pet charity isn’t getting enough. Leave taxpayers alone.

          • Bob Wire

            “DaveH says:
            November 20, 2010 at 3:07 pm

            It doesn’t matter if you work hard or not, Karolyn. The fact is that you support the income redistribution (theft) that has taken over the Democrat Party. You are aiding and abetting them.”

            When are you going to let go of that bullshit? ~ If wealth couldn’t or shouldn’t be distributed it would have little purpose. Since 1980 America has been subjected to wealth distribution on a grand scale. ~ Primary Wall Street banker and big business being the largest recipients of this wealth transfer.(and that is very easily supported or do you want a link?)

            From deregulation, regulation, to cooking the books, to insider trading, to mislabeling of security products and fraud, Wall Street has used “small timers” that enjoy playing the markets with hope of investment gains to help them defend their actions and unethical business practices. Anyone that attempt to address this unethical and outright criminal behavior is “WANTING THEIR WEALTH” and found under attack by self proclaimed “Conservatives” that are being thrown a few bones by their wealth Tycoon cousins for carrying water and licking boot.~ All customers of the Madam while publicly supporting anti-prostitution laws and sitting in the Amen sector every Sunday.

            The American People want what they have worked for, what they understood they bought and invested in. You can call that “redistribution” all day long if you want to. ~ I call it correcting a faulted system that favors few and makes victims of many, much like a pyramid scheme.

            To date, please tell us where you have witnessed any wealth “redistribution” that wasn’t already in process but is new to the current administration.

            and if you wish to bring forward HCR, may I remind you, federal tax dollars was already subsidizing many employed Americans insurance premiums while casting a bind eye to other tax payers that helped pay for it before “O” was ever in the Senate.

            May I remind you, HCR has not gone into full effect, may I remind you, you are still enjoying “43″s Tax deductions.

            May I remind you, if you wish to view discontinuing these tax cut as merely “TAX Increase” you have made a deliberate decision to ignore issues of balanced budgets and national debit.

            May I remind you, I can too and deserve rights to the same argument.

          • Vicki

            Bob Wire.

            Wealth distribution at the point of a gun.
            Wealth distribution at the point of a sale.

            Learn the difference.

      • Vicki

        karolyn writes:
        “Just like I can’t hammer a nail without hitting my finger,”

        Practice. Practice. Practice. This is the voice of experience. (Use a thimble. A strong one)

        “but I can take a good picture and write a good column and draw and dance.”

        With all of those saleable talents why again do you want our stuff?

        “I am not a very good business person. I’ve tried it. ”

        yep I have that teeshirt too :)

        • da norseman

          Good one, Vicki! If Karolyn cannot hit a nail without hitting her finger it sounds like she’s trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. LOL!!!

        • JeffH

          Vicki and AngelWannabe, thought I’d take a moment and thank you both for your fine tuned wit and wisdom…and your loyalty to America.

          • Karolyn

            Fine tuned wit????? Surely you jest. It’s more like snide wit. Like what people say when they get joy out of hurting someone. (Not that I’m hurt – not by a long shot. The ignorance actually makes me chuckle.)

          • Angel Wannabe

            JeffH, Right back at’cha m’friend!!!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Karolyn, to each his own said the Lady as she kissed a horse!!! :)

      • Eric Bischoff

        You put a smile on my face.
        I would add
        or not the desire to be like you

  • Greg Jones

    Dear Chip and All,
    I must share my leery view of the election celibraton.
    At least 50% of the (R) turnover will end up designating
    RINO. The remainder limp at best, witness Brown from Mass.
    This Congress is so tied up with Unread, Blankcheck signage
    that a 100% (R) majority couldn’t turn it around. Better
    prepare for total acceptence or a real battle if you’v any hope for real change.

  • gofer

    There is serious discussion on a vote for the DREAM ACT on Nov. 29th, which would make a minimum of 2 MILLION illegal aliens legal, all the way up to age 35 and they could petition for amnesty for their parents. The bill is a fraud, full of loopholes, and extends far beyond the “students” it is supposed to help.

    Go to NUMBERSUSA and help stop this legalizing of future Democrats, which is the real purpose. Obama can’t get ree-elected unless he imports leftist voters from other countries. This would be a disaster for the country and would open up doors for former illegals to take even more American jobs.

    This MUST be stopped!

  • Bern Jones

    Hey Greg,
    What school you went to? Agree on your thoughts though.

  • gofer

    Go read CommunistUSA’s writings. They were thrilled and shed “tears of joy” at Obama’s election. They recently opined about the new Congress and they are fairly thrilled about that since the Democrats left standing are “far more progressive” and far left. They are happy the dems that were even slightly moderate lost.

    They were excited that Obama has done more to “advance the cause”. It’s stunning that people living in this Nation can embrace a system of such death and destruction. I wonder if there is any communist nation they would rather live in???

    Fighting communism has cost untold American lives and communism has killed more people in peacetime than all wars combined, YET, there is a Communist Party USA that is thrilled with the Democrats. What more does one need to know?

  • Michael Harris

    True story. Two American’s were talking to a Cuban who had just arrived from Cuba aboard a feedom boat. The 2 America’s told him he was fortunate to get out of Cuba. The Cuban told the American’s, “I was fortunate that I had somewhere to go.” Get it you Socialists and Communists? You lose freedom and liberty here, where you gonna run to? Russia, China, Iran, North Korea,,,etc…etc… I have little use for, nor tolerance of COMMUNISTS/MARXISTS/SOCIALISTS..3 pigs in a poke.

  • gofer

    What overseas job would someone like to do?? Work in a call center?? First of all, because of unions and other regulations, the 20 buck Mr. Coffee would cost you 75.00. There are 11 million ITIN’s in use and most of these are illegals. Are these the jobs Americans won’t do or won’t do as cheap? People gripe about jobs going overseas, while millions come here and work here illegally and legally. How about focusing on that?? Illegals control entire industries in the Southwest. It’s time to stop this. Join NumbersUSA and get involved with stopping Congress giving amnesty to millions. NumbersUSA has over a million members and there is power in numbers.

  • JeffH

    The Socialist-a video that should be seen by all
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj-MpP5n3uE

    • Karolyn

      Thanks for reminding me why I don’t click on your links. Assinine.

      • da norseman

        Good! Maybe you’ll learn something.

      • JeffH

        K, just trying to educate ya, not indoctrinate ya.

        • Angel Wannabe

          JeffH, Ya know the old adage Jeff, of leading a horse to water, but can’t make them drink!”

          • JeffH

            Yepper!

  • http://comcast.net PRESTON W.ATHEY

    Down with the Federal Reserve,New World Order and the United Nations–thats a start!

  • Sharon

    I actually seen my senator that was fired on the news tonight standing up for the constituents.

  • Sharon

    China has a book that is gaining fame. It predicted the massive bailout in the U.S. I could not find it at the library or Barnes and Noble. It is called “Currency Wars” author: Song Hongbing. It is on the Internet.

  • http://com i41

    da Norseman, thruth and facts always bother pusified mamaas boys and lezzy dikey girls on working and putting in a litttle effort. Every pusified males are what you get when they get in to government or even elected to poop pickers. The liberal lezzy dikes, think they can do any job, and expect the same wages. But they always take days off, look to cry dicrimation, because they are just so stressed out, but will not accept their own limations. Another liberal socialist marker is, they hate any physcial work. Since they all beleive a worthless basket weaving degree, makes you an expert on anything. Actual hands on work and life experience is just a worthless waste of time. Book trained idoit, is the best employee to hire. So these overeducated morons are too afraid to risk failing, will not go into job creation of their own. WIA, is going have to quit getting deleted, because liberals minds fill the 4 letter word in, these liberals immediately start riding the foot stools and chairs to cear their nano minds. So WIA think of the furniture and small pets and snakes and especially for eddee andEri, their Blarney Karl Marx blow up dolls.

    • da norseman

      Good point, i41! When these progressive whiners lean so heavily on government they expect some sort of a utopian world in return. I’ve studied some years back that in the old Soviet Union back in the 1970s, the Central Committee in Moscow promised a so-called “True Communism” by 1980. Of course it never happened when those old farts – leftovers of the old Bolsheviks – were still in power and policies essentially remained unchanged until the three Soviet leaders before Gorbachev suddenly croaked and keeled over between 1982 and 1985 – all during President Reagan’s watch. I was joking that their deaths were probably attributed to Reagan’s bitter hatred of communism and that his message had finally dealt that fatal blow not only to those three leaders, but also to the demise of the Soviet Union and the end of communism as a one-party rule.

      These crappy progressives are just wannabes, believing that creating a system as close to Karl Marx’s ideologies or identical to that of the old Soviet system will make everyone happy where government will provide. If it failed after 74 years of existence in Russia, it would certainly fail elsewhere.

      The Karl Marx blowup dolls got me laughing however, especially when you mentioned Eddee and Eri. Let’s not forget to add lazy ol’ Karolyn as well. She cries too much when we make fun of her. LOL!!!

  • http://soniclithuimparadox@intelinfusion.com STEPHEN ANDERSON

    hi world congress ,
    GOO’ mornin yourkjer ,
    its hihght in awe and the biigis kingdom soars high on the mighty wings of the mighty lord , well distinguished ladies and gentle men its half pat the hour when the mighty frail on high , distinguished royal legislature and congrressouir of the millenial true sonic united states of america , the plutionion may fail lithuim is dependable on fossiled energy , ethernol revolutionized used for gas, we like to let congress know that the funtional united nation goverment from nigeria failed the united states that can lead to world democratic failure b/4 2012, if japan says the world will end in 2012, ywhte is cool for ice and lyght is for fire……. why do this people fail in politics….well for me discharging my duties from nigeria for the aerospace command was bingo .passenger 57..thank you congress

    • Karolyn

      WHAT?

  • jopa

    When Jeffh spoke earlier about nazi’s and knowing his enemies he is well informed when it comes to nazi’s.His enemies are the poor,Jews,Jehovah Witnesses but not the gays ,so I guess I have to give him credit for that one.One time I went to one of his nazi, skinhead links and had to call in the Geek Squad to get the viruses off my computer.Be careful when you go to his links!!

    • JeffH

      jopa, do you really expect that anyone other than one of your fellow Marxist comrads would believe you?
      Your eyes are so brown because you are just so full of it.

    • da norseman

      jopa, stop mixing idiots like Nazis into our belief system. You’re just making rhetorical remarks just like the rest of your leftist comrades! I look at Nazis, Marxists, Progressives and Commies as all the same. They’re all socialists! Haven’t you learned that “Nazi” is the acronymn for “Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei” abbreviated as NSDAP. In English it is “National Socialism”!

      Nazis were socialists and tied in together with the Communists. Both were anti-semetic and ruled with an iron fist. Hitler and Stalin, two of the greatest mass murderers the world has ever seen (Mao was the biggest mass murderer), would have gotten along, but were in competition for world dominance and looked at each other as inferiors. Both the Nazis and Communists addressed members in their respective parties as “comrades”. Get your history straight!

    • JeffH

      I do believe that jopa and coal miner have become attached to each other…

  • jopa

    One lie after another, my beautiful blue eyes are not brown Mr. Jeff

    • JC

      Which is probably the only thing you actually “know”.
      Pretty rich when a communist starts calling an American Patriot a “Nazi”. More of that Ol Time Alinsky crap. Oh well we’re onto you and your kind. You guys are done.

  • DaveH

    For the middle class readers of this blog. If you think the Liberals are going to stop at stealing money from the Rich. Think Again. They have shown their colors and those are the colors of thieves. They always use their class envy of the Rich to get their foot in the door, but they will not stop until they have made slaves out of all of us.

    • Eric Bischoff

      DaveH if the wealthy have been stealing from the middle class and the poor big time and these two classes decide to stand up and say enough is enough, are you going to tell me that’s stealing?

      • JC

        Like all socialists…you’re obviously a very simple person.
        No point trying to explain anything to you.

    • Eric Bischoff

      DaveH you sir are a liar and a thief and if I was next to you I would slap my glove at you! How dare you spew this crap!

      • JeffH

        “How dare you spew this crap!” I just can’t laugh any louder…can you here me laughing Eric?

        • TIME

          LMAO……………..:-)

    • Bob Wire

      Stealing! from the rich?

      You feel the wealthy unable to defend themselves and need your help?

      What a loving compassionate guy you are. I had you figured for the self serving type.

  • http://none Barb Tomassi

    Wheres my comment?

    • libertytrain

      At 3:06 pm you had a stern comment addressed to “Mike” – is that what you are looking for?

  • JeffH

    If a Conservative doesn’t like guns, he doesn’t buy one. If a Liberal doesn’t like guns, they believe no one should have one.

    If a Conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn’t eat meat. If a Liberal is, they want to ban all meat products for everyone.

    If a Conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy. A Liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.

    If a Conservative is homosexual, he quietly enjoys life. If a Liberal is homosexual, they loudly demand legislated respect.

    If a Conservative is a minority , he sees himself as independently successful. Their Liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.

    If a Conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. A Liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

    If a Conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels. Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.

    If a Conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church. A Liberal wants all churches to be silenced.

    If a Conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. A Liberal demands that his neighbors pay for his.

    If a Conservative disagrees with a Liberal president, he is called a racist. When a Liberal disagrees with a Conservative president, it’s patriotic dissent.

    If a Conservative expresses his political view, he is called an idiot. A Liberal expressing his political views is expressing his right to Freedom of Speech.

    • Eric Bischoff

      You do realize that your stupid brain just made that up and you are not even smart enough to know the error of your ways!

      • Vicki

        My my my. Another ad hominem attack by the (Cough cough) open minded Eric. Loose ANOTHER debate did you?

      • JeffH

        The nutcase Eric has lost it again. Bringing in the sheep, bringing in the sheep….baaahhh, baaahhh, baaahhh!

      • JeffH

        Eric Bischoff says:
        November 20, 2010 at 4:28 pm
        You do realize that your stupid brain just made that up and you are not even smart enough to know the error of your ways!

        HAH! HAH! HAH!

      • JeffH

        Oh, Comrad Eric, what you just stated sounds exactly what eddie47d would have said, to the ord…two peas in a pod ya think?

        • JeffH

          …to the word…

      • JC

        Eric Bischoff says:
        November 20, 2010 at 4:28 pm
        You do realize that your stupid brain just made that up and you are not even smart enough to know the error of your ways!

        Ooooh! Hit a nerve? Truth hurts doesn’t it?

    • Eric Bischoff

      This deserves a better answer.

      If a Conservative doesn’t like guns, he doesn’t buy one. If a Liberal doesn’t like guns, they believe no one should have one.

      • Actually they believe that there should be license just like driving a car because either one can easily kill another person. There should be mandatory training and definitely a psychological evaluation.

      If a Conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn’t eat meat. If a Liberal is, they want to ban all meat products for everyone.

      • No actually they just want to be able to have the truth heard a little more instead of being banned from mainstream media which is more concerned with advertising dollars. Some truth being too much meat consumption is responsible for deforestation which is the lungs of the planet. Too much meat consumption is directly related to the epidemic proportion heart disease. Greedy meat industries have decided to feed cattle subsidized corn instead of grass which is what they are supposed to eat and thus they are getting sick and requiring lots of antibiotics to just stay alive and these traces of antibiotics are ending up in our bodies and messing up our immune system. Imagine that! all of that so that some ass hole can make a little more money!

      If a Conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy. A Liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.

      • No a liberal is aware that we shouldn’t have interfered in foreign affairs in the first place and that this is just blow back. Therefore minding our own business at home in America is the best spent dollar towards our internal security.

      If a Conservative is homosexual, he quietly enjoys life. If a Liberal is homosexual, they loudly demand legislated respect.

      • That’s right they have the balls to demand equal rights under this very constitution which states that all men are created equal.

      If a Conservative is a minority , he sees himself as independently successful. Their Liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.

      * Never victims just champions of the underdog!

      If a Conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. A Liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

      • Oh please a down and out conservatives are shamelessly blaming everything on illegal aliens, single moms, welfare recipients and sick and disabled people.

      If a Conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels. Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.

      • Absolutely backwards. The liberal free press or what’s left of it in this country is listener supported which is a labor of love from Americans. The conservatives on the other hand have Rupert Murdoch an Australian expatriate billionaire and a Saudi Prince billionaire as their own bull horn as well as the Koch Billionaire bros. That’s not exactly a fair fight or an even grass roots fight now is it? But Free Speech TV, Link TV, and the Pacifica foundation are growing and they are not going anywhere ever,

      If a Conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church. A Liberal wants all churches to be silenced.

      * That one is really stupid but actually a liberal which is an open minded person just doesn’t want only one type of belief reinforced everywhere. In church, in the media, in politics as if it was the only real and possible belief.

      * A Liberal wants you to stop forcing your christian beliefs on all others. And we want you to respect all other religions equally including the people who don’t believe in religion or the ones who don’t believe in god at all. It’s supposed to be a free country.

      * I would personally take it one step further an d tell you that for your own sake you need to figure out a way to love all these people that are different than you.

      If a Conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. A Liberal demands that his neighbors pay for his.

      * Actually ignoramus, we demand that as an enlightened wealthy society we provide for all so that no one sleeps in the street, no children are hungry, no one is ever hungry and no one is denied healthcare. This is all we ask in exchange for the right for some to be so wealthy that they alone could feed an entire country.

      If a Conservative disagrees with a Liberal president, he is called a racist. When a Liberal disagrees with a Conservative president, it’s patriotic dissent.

      • Actually it should read when one disagrees with a conservative that starts ILLEGAL Preemptive wars. What constitutes a racist is when one ignores previous wrong doings and only recently wakes up as a black man surprisingly and shockingly wins an election even though he continues the same practices.

      If a Conservative expresses his political view, he is called an idiot. A Liberal expressing his political views is expressing his right to Freedom of Speech.

      * A conservative is only called an idiot when he acts like one. Freedom of speech is extremely important and should be fought for. It has been under attack ever since we succumbed to advertiser supported media. The NewsCorp conservative bull horn, the largest and best funded in the world is not any where near being fair and balanced. It’s massive propaganda is funded by drugs and oil and…. You figure it out.

      • DaveH

        Eric,
        I won’t waste my time refuting all of your Liberal conjecture. But this statement is particularly ludicrous – The Liberal side of the story is banned from mainstream media? Anybody who has watched the typical MSM news, knows that is bull. But it’s good you say things like that so others can realize how useless your information is.
        And too much meat is responsible for the epidemic proportion of heart disease? Please provide us with references to support that fact. Your Liberal word means nothing to most of us.
        Greedy meat industries are feeding the cows corn which leads to antibiotics which end up in our bloodstreams causing immune problems? Who knows? There is absolutely no way you could prove that conjecture. And the cattle producers do that because the customers demand the better taste of grain-fed cattle. So, you would ban that free choice?
        I could say the stressful society created by the constant conflicts of Liberals messing with our choices is causing those heart attacks and messing up our immune systems. That is, if I wanted to behave like a Liberal and make up whatever facts I can to support my point of view.

        • Eric Bischoff

          DaveH I won’t waste my time is your classic answer when you really have nothing. When you’ve been caught spewing out complete bull. Can’t you be a man and admit that once in a while you might just be full of it?

          • JeffH

            NOT!

        • Eric Bischoff

          I refuse to believe that anyone with a computer can be that clueless.

          Yes the meat industry is feeding animals corn. Ruminants live on grass not grains. I learned that in kindergarten. You can’t be that ignorant!

          You really have never heard of the animal fats and heart disease connection?

          Liberals causing you stress. Open minded should be a lot more fluid and soothing that constipated conservative.

          Oh and Dave mainstream media whether left of center or right of center is all basic center. It’s all corporate conservatism. If you have not watched the media I try to tell you about then you really have not been exposed to the full spectrum.

          • DaveH

            Did I say the meat industry doesn’t feed the cows corn? That one statement of yours says it all. Apparently you can’t even read.

          • DaveH

            I am going to do something I don’t see from Ignorant Liberal Eric – post a reference:
            http://www.newsmax.com/Stossel/cattle-grass-fed/2010/11/17/id/377301

          • Eric Bischoff

            Wow Dave on this extremely well researched, documented subject you reach for Newsmax and Stossel. Basically mouthpieces for big agra and big business.

        • Karolyn

          Dave – Cows are fed corn because it’s easier and cheaper, not because it tastes better to the consumer. Grass-fed beef tastes much better.

          • JeffH

            …depends on who’s eating it…

          • DaveH

            Perhaps. My only experience with grass-fed beef was that it was not very tasty. I was told in the past that the grain-fed beef was tastier. But as in all hearsay, what I heard in the past may not be true. This article backs up your claim:
            http://www.cattlenetwork.com/Grain-fed-VS–Grass-fed-Beef/2008-12-30/Article.aspx?oid=546715

          • Vicki

            Karolyn says:
            “Dave – Cows are fed corn because it’s easier and cheaper, not because it tastes better to the consumer. Grass-fed beef tastes much better.”

            Cool. Start up a business (with business help. We both know we are not good at business :) ) raising grass fed beef and selling the GREAT taste. That will also help you with your financial problems, get you off public assistance and back to being a productive (tax paying :) ) member of society. It will feed your family too.

            That is how Americans solve social issues. Not begging mommy gov to fix the problem.

          • Vicki

            DaveH
            From your link
            “PORTLAND, Ore. – Children can tell the difference between grass- and grain-fed beef, but when it comes to preference, they’re evenly split, according to taste tests that Oregon State University conducted at two grade schools in Portland. ”

            Telling the difference is NOT the same as preferring one because of taste.
            In fact they had no pref that could be attributed to what the cows eat.

          • libertytrain

            I recollect someone sending me this special grass-raised beef and it tasted awful.

      • Karolyn

        Eric – I think they really have gone off the deep end. They must have awfully unhappy lives.

      • JeffH

        What I find most amusing Comrad Eric, is that you have taken the time to even respond. Don’t take it so personal Comrad Eric, wear it like a “badge of honor” instead. Comrad Saul would be most proud of you.
        Remeber Comrad Saul’s words: “When those prominent in the status quo turn and label you an ‘agitator’ they are completely correct, for that is, in one word, your function—to agitate to the point of conflict.” or “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.”

        You Marxist radicals must be resilient, adaptable to shifting political circumstances, and sensitive enough to the process of action and reaction to avoid being trapped by your own tactics and forced to travel a road not of your choosing.

    • Karolyn

      OMG, Jeff. I think you really have to have a mental problem to believe all that! I’m serious. You REALLY believe all that? WOW! Now I understand you guys a little more. You are suffering from some sort of contagious conservatism that affects your ability to correctly understand that people do have different views, and it’s OK. It also manifests in paranoia that those that believe differently than you are somehow devils. That sounds like hallucinations to me. We really are not all out to get you. We are all members of the human race; and as such, are all brothers and sisters.

      • DaveH

        Actually, Karolyn, I think it is you that must be mentally disturbed, or maybe just totally oblivious to what is going on around you.

      • DaveH

        Fortunately, an increasing number of Americans are waking up to the fact that the main goal of the Liberals is simply redistribution of wealth from the people who earned the money to those that didn’t. So it really won’t matter what your twisted minds believe. We will soon get our Freedom back from your Controlling, Thieving Liberal cohorts now that your kind has become vocal enough for people to see what you are really all about.

        • Eric Bischoff

          DaveH Is it really my responsibility to educate you. I try but you really have no interest. You deny everything that flies in the face of your limited belief system.

          You want to remain this way be my guest but don’t expect everyone to blindly follow you. Personally I reach a point where I just feel sorry for you.

          • DaveH

            And Eric,
            If I was seeking education, it wouldn’t be from an uneducated person, such as yourself, who I haven’t seen yet reference any articles for the claims he makes. I get my education from people who support their claims with generous references and convincing data.
            You apparently don’t know that to prove such a thing as ‘too much meat causes heart attacks’ would require intensive double-blind studies where the participants on both sides aren’t privy to which substances are actually being administered. This is necessary because humans, like yourself, have certain beliefs and if they know which substances are being administered in any particular study, they tend to skew the results to satisfy their beliefs.
            It would be a cold day in hell before I embraced any unsupported facts coming from a Liberal, given that your kind believes in an ideology that has failed throughout the world. Sure, “but this time it will work”. You are hopelessly ignorant.
            And for your information, Ignorant Liberal, there has always been a controversy about the role of Colesterol in heart attacks. See this for instance:
            http://www.bvwellness.com/2009/12/08/cholesterol-and-heart-attacks/

            You would know that if your really did the amount of reading you claim.

            I don’t pretend to know the real answer, and I don’t care. I live my life the way that makes me happiest. If I die a little sooner, big deal. What is a big deal, however, is when Ignorant Liberals such as yourself work to impose their ideals on myself while I am living.

          • DaveH

            You see, Ignorant Liberal Eric, it doesn’t really matter if I am knowledgeable or not, because I’m not the one who wants to force my way on the American Citizens. On the other hand, it does matter if you are knowledgeable or not, because you do want to force your way on your fellow citizens. However, nobody, no matter how knowledgeable, knows what makes any other person happy. And only an ignorant Liberal could think he knows what is best for any other person.

          • Vicki

            Eric. Works of fiction make good reading and lousy policy.

          • DaveH
          • DaveH
          • vicki

            For those less ignorant and those wishing to be less ignorant. :)

        • DaveH

          Notice, folks, that there are two main themes running in most of Eric the Liberals comments.
          1) He wants to decide how to spend your money.
          2) He thinks he knows best how to run your life.

          If you don’t agree that he has that right you are a “moron”, or “uneducated”, or some other childish manipulative attempt on Eric’s part to win the debate.

        • JeffH

          DaveH, if I had a dollar for evertime a liberal said somethimg like this: “Personally I reach a point where I just feel sorry for you.”

          Why is it that people just like Eric have to act like they care, when in fact, all they want is a handout, a free meal, healthcare and someone like BIG GOVERNMENT to watch over them at the expense of those that do take personal resonsibility seriously.

          Too much LSD I say, too much LSD…!

          • DaveH

            The truth is buried subtly in Eric’s comments. He claims to have compassion for his fellow human being, but then proceeds to call us Morons or Hypocrites or other personal attacks if we don’t agree with him. Sure, he is compassionate, but only with other peoples’ money.

            Eric is a legend in his own mind. It must be a very small legend though to fit.

          • Karolyn

            Jeff, Why does it all come down to money? That seems to be all you have on your mind? Hey, I would survive whether or not I ever got Food Stamps. if I did not get a grant, I wouldn’t be going to school. So frackin’ what? I’ve survived this long without it and can keep on going just the same. I don’t worry about it. And I don’t live in fear. Never have; never will.

            Just because I think differently than you does not make me unAmerican or unpatriotic. I think more globally because we are all children of God. There is no way you can understand me, just like there is no way I can understand you, and that’s perfectly fine, as long as there is mutual respect, which there does not seem to be.

            As far as fighting goes, you can have it. To me, it’s just not worth raising my blood pressure and getting sick over anything. One of my favorite phrases is “c’est la vie.”

          • JeffH

            Karolyn, why are you always “explaining” yourself…I know what you are and you know what you are, a socialist thinker, a liberal. We’re opposites, so what! I could give a rats arse and don’t require or need any explanations. You’re nothing more than a hypocrite.
            Have a nice Thanksgiving, that is if you even celebrate the holiday that expresses thankfulness, gratitude, and appreciation to God, family and friends for which all have been blessed of material possessions and relationships.

      • JeffH

        Karolyn has finally “labeled” herself, quite a confirmation…”We really are not all out to get you.” So many times we’ve heard you say “don’t put a label on me”, “I’m an independent thinker”. Yeah, right and NPR is fair and balanced just as you are. Hypocrite!
        It’s been said many times in many ways…if it walks like a liberal and quacks like a liberal…it’s a liberal.

        • Eric Bischoff

          Actually JeffH NPR used to be a lot more open minded until it was destroyed by conservatives. Now it truly is mediocre. We liberals and progressives have moved on to Free Speech TV, Link TV and the Pacifica radio network. We are listener supported we have our own network. We are on Dish and Direct TV satellites and on many cables. We put our money where our mouth is, while you on the other end are stuck being propagandized by commercial laden corporate mainstream media. It’s slick but it is stupid. Come to think of it that is the very definition of Sara Palin, slick but stupid. You have to put up with viagra commercials which you all need.

          • JeffH

            Comrad Eric does the goose step quite well…yada, yada, yada…!

          • Eric Bischoff

            You know what’s really funny JeffH is that you really have no clue of what I am talking about!

          • JeffH

            Comrad Eric, Liberals are most adept at breaking their own necks with their tongues. Liberals in their meetings utter bold works; they strut, grimace belligerently, and then issue a weasel-worded statement ‘which has tremendous implications, if read between the lines.’ They sit calmly, dispassionately, studying the issue; judging both sides; they sit and still sit. There is a saying that the Liberal is one who walks out of the room when the argument turns into a fight.
            Which are you Comrad Eric?

          • DaveH

            Sure, Eric, you Liberals put your money where your mouths are. Then why must your Liberal stations seek funding from the unwilling taxpayers? And why did Air America fail? And why do the countries that practice your policies fail?

            You are simply Forcers and Thieves, and nothing more noble.

          • Vicki

            Eric Bischoff writes:
            “Actually JeffH NPR used to be a lot more open minded until it was destroyed by conservatives. Now it truly is mediocre.”

            Cool. Can we defund NPR now?

          • Angel Wannabe

            Vicki and JeffH, If NPR is not quite as open minded, it’s because Soros gave them a precious gift of 1.8 million dollars and as has instructed them to move even farther left!!! :)

      • Angel Wannabe

        JeffH and Dave H, The Progressives get p-oed, when the oppositon knows how they think, they don’t like being one upped!__I’m just sayin! :)

        • JeffH

          Angel Wannabe, ya think? As you like to say, I’m still LMAO!

    • Bob Wire

      Somehow I thought you might be ~~~older.

      I surly know of no one that might speak with such conviction of others and

      place any value in accuracy of their statements.

      I prefer to see an honest attempt made on everyone’s part and worthy the time to consider.

  • da norseman

    Greatest Mass Murderers: Mao tse Tung murdered well over 100 million people; Stalin murdered over 20 million people; Hitler murdered over 6 million people. Who will become the next mass murderer if he has things going his way? George Soros! This man – another one of these global zealots – wants a New World Order dominated by a one-world government. Soros, a firm believer in Karl Marx’s ideologies, believes in creating death panels to get his points across. Friedrich Engels who collaborated with Marx has called for feudal systems (human husbandry) to replace capital societies, which would mean that in order to accomplish this goal it was imperative to murder as many people through genocide.

    If Soros is committed to committing heinous crimes through murder, he may be capable of killing more people than Mao, Stalin and Hitler combined. If this is so, Soros is a danger to the free world, waiting in the wings for the right moment to make his move. He has publicly stated that he idolizes Marx, promotes his writings and wishes to enforce it upon everyone by enslaving them through collectivization.

    By staying one step ahead of Soros is the key element to prevent him from ever achieving his goal by exposing him continously. He is one man I would hate to see succeed.

  • Eric Bischoff

    Duhhhhh

  • JeffH

    Enemies Of America
    http://www.floppingaces.net/2010/11/01/enemies-of-america/#more-47813
    Using the Oxymoron of Obamathink we are now being alienated from our own country, a country that we were taught to love and cherish as children, by a man who has been immersed in Marxism from birth, yet vehemently denies being a Socialist. As a Marxist and a Narcissist he desperately craves the adulation of a poverty stricken populace, for nearly every Communist dictator needs to keep his people mired in poverty to maintain control and a form of reverence or worship from his people in while they feel helpless in chains, yet oh so grateful to their omnipotent leader.

    These are some the Third World Communist Dictators and Thugs that are Obama supporters as well as some prominent US Communists.

    Hugo Chavez – Venezuelan dictator
    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad – President of Iran
    Fidel Castro – Cuban dictator
    Party of European Socialists
    Louis Farrakhan – Supreme Minister, Nation of Islam
    Democratic Socialists of America
    Communist Party USA (CPUSA)
    Frank Chapman – Member of U.S. Peace Council Executive Committee (an FBI-identified communist front group)
    Mark Solomon – National co-chair, Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism
    Joel Wendland – Managing editor of CPUSA online magazine Political Affairs: Marxist Thought Online
    Pepe Lozano – Leader in the Chicago Youth Communist League and editorial board member of CPUSA newspaper, People’s World Weekly

    To believe that Obama is oblivious to his history of Communist connections, you must either be a Communist or a fool. The proof is far more extensive and damning than this humble post has room for, but it exists and will be brought to the surface as we approach 2012, that I can guarantee you. Americans have traditionally held the office of the President with reverence and respect; however, the office has now been degraded and demeaned to such a level that it will take a true statesman before America once again has respect for the Executive; unfortunately, a slick campaign directed by criminal elements like Ayers with a major assist from the media has unloaded this vile and corrupt presence upon the American people. Incompetence and the work ethic of a dilettante is something Americans can overlook, but the idea of a Marxist in the White House is inexcusable.

    • da norseman

      That’s why the U.S. needs to withdraw its membership from the United Nations and kick that organization off U.S. soil!!! The UN is nothing more than a Club for Thugs.

      • JeffH

        …and I’ll second that motion…

        • ricky

          AND I WILL MAKE IT FINAL ,,WE NEED TO CHANGE THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING .IF WE DONT WE WILL END UP IN WAR ,THAT WILL MAKE OBUMMA HAPPY .BUT THE FIRST SHOT WILL BE ON THE WHITE HOUSE .YOU JUST WAIGHT AND SEE ……

    • DaveH

      And this was the man who was going to Bring Us Together. He has been, by far, the most devisive president in my lifetime.

  • Angel Wannabe

    Karolyn___copy from caroles post>>>>”How do you know that the people you are talking too are not the very ones doing just that. Running Food banks and Soup Kitchens? Why do you assume they are run by conservatives? I can tell you they are not. The Conservative outfits who claim they do so much, take so much off the top for themselves very little goes to the needy. They are all for making a profit even if they are just running a charity. So- called charity.

    Just how do you think they can produce something for nothing, food production costs gotta come from somewhere and not from forcebably taking more taxes from us!!!!__-What the hell makes you think they’re skimming off into they’re pockets___Got any Proof???__I think your the ones going off the deep end there sweetie!!!

    • Angel Wannabe

      The above post didn’t go where it was suppose to___

    • Karolyn

      Once again, Angel, your logic escapes me in the context of Carole’s post. (shaking head)

      • Angel Wannabe

        Karolyn, Then you and your progressive friends are the only ones who ain’t gettin’ it!__Think about a while it’ll come to ya!!

  • TRUE PATRIOT

    The whole thing is smoke and mirrors! You people need to give up on thinking that everything is on the up and up! We’re Through the Looking Glass and Down the Rabbit Hole! Anybody that believes that they can get things back on track by voting and through political processes is only fooling themselves, this country has been slated for disaster long ago and the sooner you face up to it and quit playing this futile game the better off we’ll all be! You may as well hang on to your belief in “Hope & Change” what a bunch of maroons! Americans are very naive! Get ready to go to your concentration camps and for marshall law, its over!

    • JeffH

      Spoken like a true patriot! Not!

      • TRUE PATRIOT

        Jeff, Part of being a true patriot is identifying the truth no matter how painful it may be! Going on about how we can turn things around through our political ideologies to me is just plain sappy! An IOU is only as good as the person who writes it! In other words if you think the politicians who make it to Washington are really going to start working for you and the rest of the middle class once again you are standing to close to the burning hemp pile! Start being a student of history and stop being a student of make believe I’m a realist not a dreamer! And as soon as the rest of America and other true patriots wake up to the facts, true positive changes for this country will start to take place! Our founding Fathers knew this would happen 230 years ago, why are we so blind today? Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson were realists also and they tried to assasinate them for speaking the truth! Does this mean we should all placate to the Truth Spinners? Not if you are a true patriot! When a person receives a job from an employer they work the person who signs their checks, find out who pays the politicians and you will soon see who they are all working for! Wake Up!

        • JeffH

          TRUE PATRIOT, I am well aware of the “truth” and who’s behind the erosian of the worlds economy, US economy and our political system. My comment was directed at your “just give it up” attitude, something a “true patriot” wouldn’t encourage.

          • TRUE PATRIOT

            My use of sharp short words are used as a tool for waking up the people who are blogging. The only thing I said to give up on was their Polyannic attitudes. Thinking that it will all get worked out in the next election! How many times do people have to get kicked in the teeth before they realize that the fight has started? Cute comments back and forth bantering about things that mean absolute zero is exactly what the ones who pull the strings want us to do! That’s why they use devisive language: Blue-Red, Left-Right, Liberal- Conservative etc…. This is not a language used by uniters! So what do the people on this site do….exactly as they’ve been instructed! Banter about meaningless crap while the elephant in the room sits there!

          • Eric Bischoff

            True Patriot hit the nail right on the head.

            They want us arguing and bickering. But It does not matter what your belief is or your affiliation.The only thing we should be concerned with, discussing, exposing, wiping out is Corruption and theft where ever it exists.

  • http://yahoo sal

    hey dougie guess with your libtard brain you would disarm cops if the city had a 100%crime increase chia,iran and the good ole russians r increasing their weapons u dum tard your rock beckons can u hear it calling hurry and crawl back under,,if we r attacked my sons will probally have too fight and maybe die to protect a piece of human crap like u SO SAYS I BIG SAL

  • http://yahoo sal

    J.C. u r a sharp dude YEAH dude leave them the small arms and dip the bullets in pork fat SMILE problem solved SO SAYS I BIG SAL

  • gary

    Balance the budget- cut SS and medicare by 25 percent (does health care cause the majority of personal bankruptcies?), cut military spending, stop inane highway construction and maintenance, privatize airports and their operations, and defer taxation to international corporations for inflated executive salaries. One statement- avoid taxes to keep the your hard-earned money causes me to wonder how anyone can earn more than 100,000. per year. Earnings above that are generated by speculation, money manipulation, and exploitation. Cutting the budgets, eliminating social services, and dismantling public education, will put another 10 percent of the population out of work, and we will see privatized law enforcement set up to protect the elitist wealthy.
    Snowbound, I will spend the day Tuesday, in 10 degree weather, leaving my 50 degree F (heated) home, trying to walk the 7 miles along steep sloped slick highways to get to the nearest pharmacy (only one within 50 miles) for my HBP medication. With no public transportation, no street plowing, along with no police protection; I have to try to fend for myself. And as an unemployed Civil Engineer, my gross income is less than 20,000, supplemented by interest income (at 1/4 annual percentage) of less than 1000. (My retirement nest egg?) When able, I’ve occasionally contracted to provide construction supervision or design services for some extra income. My latest job search statewide indicated a couple of minimum wage jobs requiring a college degree in engineering, state professional registration, and 5 years professional experience. Why go to college?
    A John Birch Liberal Republican.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

      Wiselady says,

      Eric, go into the low,low,low rent district. 1. Gangs rule, 2. poverty prevails, 3. charities never fail to give, 4. local, state and Fed. elected officials keep telling the voters how well they provide for them by getting all known Unions to get out the vote and then, some poor will vote, ignorant of the fact that they are the stooges of the Unions. I could continue and tell about the experiences I went through when I elected to do substitute teaching; traveled an hour (sometimes more) to elementary, middle or high schools in south east of town and saw more drug deals in the early morning hours before reaching my destination.

      I never saw any liberal, “do-Gooder” doing anything about helping the children in those communites. I substituted for eight years in that area because I wanted to make a difference. I did… until I was informed by an angry school principal that I could not say, “America is a Great Country with the most beaitiful flag in the world.!!” I gave more than time and money and never heard any liberal in those areas of the city say ,”Thanks for coming to help us”, but I heard complaints from the older students, teachers and administrators that there was not enough money for improvement.

      With tough love, the K through 3rd grade students I taught, learned and were grateful for what they had achieved. Everyone improved one, two or more years academicaly in reading, writing and math; the lowest was a seven month growth from where he was before coming to my special class for three days a week. I QUIT, Eric, because I now want my country back, the Socialists have taken over. IT IS NOT MONEY THAT MAKES A DIFERENCE, but a dedication of love for children,the absence of educational babble and Unions! We have spent trillions of dollars in education and we are at the bottom of the scale in ccomparison to other states. Wake up, Eric, and forget about the money.

      Read the book, “From Crayons to Condoms”, by Steve Baldwin and Karen Holgate. It will shock your intellect of believing that your socialist thinking works: In addtion, read the book written in 50 lanquages, “Tortured for Christ”, by Dr.Richard Wurmbrand, a Chritian Jew, imprisoned in Siberia and tortured by the Communsit for fourteen years because of his faith.

      I had the distinct pleasure of knowing him very well and saw his upper torso tortures when he came to Southern California to speak on how his faith saved him. He became a world renowned minister of the Gospel. That’s the type of faith missing in our in our lives, a faith that binds us together for the love of our country’s freedom

    • Eric Bischoff

      If that’s how you feel, may I interest you in relocating to Afghanistan!

  • Bob Wire

    I fail to see a dictator in Chavez, ~ hated by American Big Oil, loved by his people.

    Seems you three gentlemen side with Big Business at every opportunity and twist in the road. Therefore a consensus of a majority is somehow formed and a pompous righteousness prevails.

    One thing is for sure, Chavez defines himself and needs no help or permission from anyone.

    You three flip flop around so much with your perception of virtuous ideologies and what is held as American values, it reminds my of watching the Three Flocking Stooges.

    “Updated: Sept. 27, 2010

    Hugo Chávez is a Venezuelan soldier-turned-politician who harnessed soaring oil revenues and simmering class resentments to make himself the hub of anti-American sentiment in Latin America. As a colonel, Mr. Chávez led a failed coup in 1992 against the government, which had traditionally represented the interests of the country’s moneyed elite. He was pardoned after two years in prison, and emerged as one of Venezuela’s most popular figures.

    In 1998, he won election as president and announced he would seek sweeping changes to benefit the poor. Instead he proceeded cautiously and succeeded in lowering chronically high inflation. His policies, including the firing of the management of the state-owned oil company that is the source of most of the government’s wealth, angered members of the middle class, and in April 2002, he was briefly ousted in a failed coup.

    Mr. Chávez blamed the administration of President George W. Bush for the incident, and his rhetoric became steadily stronger, especially after he survived a recall election in 2004. In a speech to the United Nations in September 2006, Mr. Chávez, speaking the day after Mr. Bush had addressed the General Assembly, declared that the room stank of sulphur because “the devil” had been there.

    Over the last five years, Mr. Chavez has maneuvered sometimes to the left and sometimes to the center, as when he courted Western oil companies after oil prices plunged, but has continued to steadily amass and centralize power. His popularity levels remain high, and he won a majority in legislative elections held in September 2010, but the opposition secured at least one-third of the seats, giving it the ability to block critical legislation and top federal appointments

    Coup attempt of 1992
    Further information: 1992 Venezuelan coup d’état attempts
    Chávez calls for the surrender of all forces on national television (1992)

    President Carlos Andrés Pérez came into office after a campaign where he promised to go against the Washington Consensus and IMF. When he got into office, however, he dramatically cut social spending, put prominent businessmen in high government posts, and increased the costs of energy and fuel, leading to widespread public outrage.[7][8] To stop the widespread protests that were taking place throughout Venezuela as a result of his cuts in social spending, Perez also ordered the violent repression and massacre[9] known as El Caracazo, which “according to official figures … left a balance of 276 dead, numerous injured, several disappeared and heavy material losses. However, this list was invalidated by the subsequent appearance of mass graves.”[10][11]

    Disturbed by the Caracazo, rampant government corruption, the domination of politics by the Venezuelan oligarchy, and what he called “the dictatorship of the IMF” Chávez began making preparations for a military coup d’état.[11] Initially planned for December, Chávez delayed the planned MBR-200 coup until the early twilight hours of 4 February 1992. On that date, five army units under Chávez’s command moved into urban Caracas with the mission of assaulting and overwhelming key military and communications installations throughout the city, including the Miraflores presidential palace, the defense ministry, La Carlota military airport, and the Military Museum. Chávez’s ultimate goal was to intercept and take custody of Pérez, who was returning to Miraflores from an overseas trip.

    Chávez held the loyalty of less than 10% of Venezuela’s military forces.[12] Numerous betrayals, defections, errors, and other unforeseen circumstances soon left Chávez and a small group of rebels hiding in the Military Museum, without any means of conveying orders to their network of spies and collaborators spread throughout Venezuela.[13] Further, Chávez’s allies were unable to broadcast their prerecorded tapes on the national airwaves in which Chávez planned to issue a general call for a mass civilian uprising against Pérez. As the coup unfolded, the coup plotters were unable to capture Pérez: 14 soldiers were killed, and 50 soldiers and some 80 civilians injured in the ensuing violence.[14]

    Chávez soon gave himself up to the government. He was then allowed to appear on national television to call for all remaining rebel detachments in Venezuela to cease hostilities. When he did so, Chávez said on national television that he had only failed “por ahora” (for now).[15] Chávez was catapulted into the national spotlight, with many poor Venezuelans seeing him as a figure who had stood up against government corruption and kleptocracy.[15][16] Before Chávez was sent to Yare prison he gave a speech to the members of the coup:[15]

    Comrades: unfortunately, for the moment, the objectives that we had set for ourselves have not been achieved in the capital. That’s to say that those of us here in Caracas have not been able to seize power. Where you are, you have performed well, but now is the time for a rethink; new possibilities will arise again, and the country will be able to move definitively towards a better future.

    President Carlos Andres Pérez, the coup’s intended target, was impeached a year later for malfeasance and misappropriation of funds for illegal activities.[17]
    Personal life
    Further information: Early life of Hugo Chávez

    Chávez has been married twice. He first wedded Nancy Colmenares, a woman from a poor family originating in Chávez’s hometown of Sabaneta. Chávez and Colmenares remained married for 18 years, during which time they had three children: Rosa Virginia, María Gabriela, and Hugo Rafael. They separated soon after Chávez’s 1992 coup attempt. During his first marriage, Chávez also had an affair with historian Herma Marksman; their relationship lasted nine years.[18] Chávez is divorced from his second wife, journalist Marisabel Rodríguez de Chávez.[19] Through that marriage, Chávez had another daughter, Rosinés. Chávez has two grandchildren.[20]

    Chávez was raised a Roman Catholic,[21] although he has had a series of disputes with both the Venezuelan Catholic hierarchy and Protestant groups like the New Tribes Mission.[22][23] He describes himself as Christian who grew up expecting to become a priest. According to him, as a result of this background his socialist policies have been borne with roots in the teachings of Jesus Christ.[24]
    Political development

  • Robert Berger

    Sorry,but the Democratic lame ducks are about to be replaced by the Republican lame brains! Don’t be fooled into thinking they will be any improvement. Sure,they’re promising us the world,but what they have to offer is much worse than any of the democrats.
    Freedom? They don’t want freedom.They want right-wing authoritarianism,which they disingenuously call “freedom”.But with freedom like this,who needs tyranny?

  • Eric Bischoff

    (Reuters) – Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay was convicted of money laundering on Wednesday in state district court in Austin, Texas.

    Following are facts about DeLay:

    * Before making his first run for public office, DeLay worked for Redwood Chemical, a Texas-based pesticide company and then ran his own pest control business. His nickname became “The Exterminator.”

    * DeLay got his start in politics by winning election to the Texas House of Representatives, where he served from 1978 until he was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 1984.

    * After he was elected assistant majority leader in 1994 he was dubbed “The Hammer” by congressional colleagues for his hard-charging approach and ability to push through legislation.

    * DeLay stepped down as majority leader in 2005 after being indicted in Texas on the campaign finance charges. He resigned from the House in 2006 amid links to Jack Abramoff, a former Republican lobbyist who went to prison in an influence-peddling case. Two of DeLay’s ex-aides pleaded guilty to corruption linked to Abramoff.

    * In his 2007 biography, “No Retreat, No Surrender,” DeLay wrote that his father and brother drank heavily and that he only narrowly escaped becoming an alcoholic himself. He became a born-again Christian in 1985.

    * DeLay was selected as a contestant on the ABC-TV reality show “Dancing With the Stars” in 2009. His scores were low and he quit after three weeks of competition, citing stress fractures in both feet.

    (Reporting by Dan Whitcomb; Editing by Peter Bohan and Bill Trott)

  • Mick

    Eric,,,

    Now on with the prosecution of the herd of Democrats up to their neck in corruption, starting with Rangel, Waters, Boxer, Pelosi, Reid etc, too many to list…………………….

  • Vigilant

    Eric, today is November 27. You are leaving snide remarks today, but I see no logical argument posted to counter mine. What’s the matter? Cat got your tongue?

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