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Washington, D.C.: The Economy Is Great

August 13, 2012 by  

Washington, D.C.: The Economy Is Great
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Life is good in Washington, D.C.

An extensive study conducted by Gallup offers a not-so-subtle clue as to why the U.S. economy is in dire straits: The people running the show are the only ones in the entire Nation who believe government’s economic policies are making things better.

Gallup surveyed 86,492 people spread throughout all 50 States and Washington, D.C., asking two questions:

  • Is the economy getting better or worse?
  • Are current economic conditions “excellent,” “good,” “only fair,” or “poor.”

In all 50 States the economic confidence index gleaned from the answers to the two questions was negative. In Washington, D.C., however, it was positive: 70 percent of respondents reported that the economy was getting better.

By contrast, people in nearby West Virginia had the worst opinion of the U.S. economy. In that State, 68 percent believe the economy is getting worse.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • Harold Olsen

    From the government’s point of view the economy is great. When you wish to destroy a country the way Obama wants to destroy this one, the best thing to do is destroy the economy, and that is what he is doing. The economy is doing just what that Nazi SOB wants it to be doing.

    • Vigilant

      Harold, please don’t buy into Mr. Rolley’s very flawed statement that “The people running the show are the only ones in the entire Nation who believe government’s economic policies are making things better.”

      D.C.’s high approval rating comes NOT from those who run the government, it comes from respondents who LIVE in the District of Columbia. In other words, people who live in the District where 50% of the population is black. I have no figures regarding the number of politicians who actually live within the District, but an educated guess is that it’s very low.

      Moreover, unreported by Mr. Rolley is that the Economic Confidence Index score, while still negative, has improved in EVERY state from 2011-12. And that’s from the URL to which he linked. And don’t forget that Gallup regularly oversamples Democrats in its polls.

      Sorry, Mr. Rolley, read and understand survey results before you jump on your horse and ride off in four directions at once.

      • Daniel8501

        Vigilant – Consider the number of overpaid, underworked government employees who work in DC.

      • Vigilant

        Daniel, have you ever been on the Beltway during rush hour? DC doubles and then halves its population every working day. Most of those high paid civil servants don’t live in DC.

        I’m fairly certain that the phone numbers called by Gallup were DC numbers, hence, they polled the “indigenous” population. You can be certain that most of the movers and shakers in giovernment, i.e., the policy wonks, do not live in DC but in Virginia or in Maryland

        Even the more affluent politicians and lobbyists who live in Georgetown are badly outnumbered by the black residents of DC.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        The only reason the numbers APPEAR to have improved is because they’ve changed the way they calculate things! The unemployment numbers are falsified because they DON’T COUNT the people who have run out of unemployment benefits! The inflation rate has been falsified by changing the items in the “market basket” that was used to calculate inflation. Some people are dumb enough to believe the government when they say things are improving but all I have to do is LOOK at what my groceries and gas are costing me to KNOW that things aren’t better but are in fact getting WORSE!!! My husbands raises are down to 2% and quarterly bonuses are GONE!!! BIG cut in pay! Layoffs every few months! Are things getting better? NO!!! They are getting worse!!!

      • Daveh234

        As far as inflation goes most items counted have remained the same form study to study.
        Most things have not gone up. They never did count those unemployed off the rolls.
        The counting methods hav been somewhat consistent out of a need for comparison.
        If we changed things over the course of the last twenty years we might have seen a different picture the whole time.
        We were blaming gas prices on the administration until it went down again. It always was other factors that caused the oil companies to raise the price of gas at their behest.
        The drought is going to have an effect on food prices because we have cattle eating a subsidized food product, ironically it’s subsidized to keep gas prices down. What a waste of tax dollars and it has hindered other resources that could be used to accomplish the same thing. That is all because of farm lobbyists and their money making false claims and donations flow to those who come through.
        We really need to reign in the money in politics

      • Daveh234

        Economist says the distribution of wealth IS hurting the economy.

        http://www.tampabay.com/news/article1245451.ece

      • B rian

        dc’s economy is doing great….. Many a lobbyist is making a killing right now! There is so much lobbyist money goin into dc…. Dc economics have probably never been better!

      • DaveH
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      • DaveH

        Latest Economic Confidence Scores:
        http://www.gallup.com/poll/156119/Economic-Confidence-Improves-Slightly-Past-Week.aspx

        Only time will tell if the current scores are meaningful for our future economy.

      • DaveH

        For those who believe the Government figures are reliable:
        http://www.shadowstats.com/

      • Vigilant

        DaveH, regarding the Rasmussen Reports polling: Now THAT’s the source Sam Rolley should have used!

        Of all the polling organizations, Rasmussen is the most trustworthy, and predictions based on Rasmussen have been on the mark much more often than any others. Thanks for doing the research Rolley SHOULD have done.

      • Murph

        @ Daveh234
        “As far as inflation goes most items counted have remained the same form study to study.”

        No. The CPI has changed drastically over the years, mainly in an effort to reduce pension and retirement increases. For starters, they dropped fuel and food from the basket, two of the largest expenses for most families, I know they are pretty high in my budget. Recently, housing costs were removed … how we doing on an accurate picture now? And the latest move has been to allow substitution, meaning that if steak goes up to high, the calculations determine you should buy ground beef instead so they figure the new price accordingly.

        “They never did count those unemployed off the rolls … The counting methods hav been somewhat consistent out of a need for comparison.”

        The unemployment figures do not come from hard stats, although some hard numbers are used, for instance the Census Bureau numbers on those over age 15, combined with those filing or collecting unemployment, and a few other measures, but the current state of the number looking for work is based on a household survey of 60,000 households, and payroll reporting from 160,000 businesses. Not very accurate or scientific really. I’m not suggesting I have an alternative, in fact I don’t, I’m simply saying it is not a reliable method for truely understanding the economic struggles of 300 million people and is a poor measure to argue political economic policy.

      • Jonah

        Point really is the District of Columbia is statistically not relevant being more than 3 standard deviations out from the average. Removing D.C. leaves an average of -22.64; 34 states within 1 standard deviation of the national average. I would really be surprised if government paychecks to all living there were not the majority income source whether federal agency employed, welfare of some sort, military or retired. All of whom likely had income increases under the Obomination Administration.

    • Mike in MI

      There you have it from the two Dave’s above, DaveH and Dave 234.

      The obamanizer gathers the statistics selectively, confabulates the statistics to reflect what they want to show and then distributes the statistics to the orifices they want to broadcast from to get the proper insemination of the populace.
      And we wonder how everything got so screwed?

      If they sold this stuff by the glass at the Obama Hoky-tok they’d have to call it AIDS-on-tap and the line dance would be a circle jerk.

  • Michael J.

    Since 2007 I have warned everyone who would listen that “That One” never intended to fix anything. That instead, The Great Destroyer and his Axis of Idiots were formulated to bring about the destruction of the last large impediment blocking the path of the NWO.

    So if you can decipher the code, “The Economy Is Great”, means decline by design is right on track, implosion imminent.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqfEm2wW61w

    • Geo_jojo

      You are so right, yet so very few are aware of it. If only more Americans would research their government and their politicians, we would have avoided this entire national misery.

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Ruth

        Politicians and residents of the elite D.C. area live in homes most of us could never afford. Many have cushy government jobs paying more than non government equivalents and it takes an act of God to get them fired for any reason. These people live in a glass bubble. No wonder Washington residents think the economy is better. NONE of them are paying ANY attention to prerevolutionary history of France or Russia. There are OBVIOUS signs of prerevolutioany discord in this nation and most politicians including Romney are idiots and ignore the signs.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    THOSE WHO TRULY WANT JOBS WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THEM. AND, THOSE WHO DO NOT WANT JOBS ARE CONTENT WITH BEING “COUCH POTATOES” AND WAITING ON THE MAILMAN TO DELIVER A GOVERNMENT CHECK. PEOPLE WHO HAVE JOBS ARE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE WHO DO NOT. SO, YES, THE “Ecomony is Great” IF MONEY IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM. LET THE “LAZY” DO WHAT THEY DO!

    • Alex

      Stop screaming….

    • uvuvuv

      as i read elsewhere, the safety net vs the hammock

  • DAVY

    He’s not a NAZI. Nazis ran things efficiently (or else). Barry is a marxist. ALL his early associations were with marxists and terrorists devoted to the overthrow or destruction of America. It was all there to see if anybody actually chose to look. They didn’t. The media was complicit as was the Congress, the Senate and the various judges who dismissed any challenges. You got what you deserved and now it is likely too late to fix anything.

    • Alex

      President Obama is not a Marxist, and he is not even close to being one.

      As for Nazi efficiency–are you kidding? Have you studied what you blather about at all? The Nazi hierarchy continually stepped on each others feet—-jurisdictional lines and codes out of sync, the SS vs the SA, the Wehrmacht vs the SS, overlapping Gaus administrated by a shambles of a local government.

      Back to school, Davy. See if they have a concentrated Reading Comprehension program.

      Your “Marxist” in the White House is just another mainstream Capitalist, sad to say. Still, we cannot afford to replace him, not now. Not until January of 2017, when Hillary Clinton becomes our first woman president.

      • Megashellac

        Alex, oh dear Alex, I just cannot wait for hillary. And then my dear alex, the dream ticket would be Chucky Shumer and that adorable little butterball from the great broke state of california, none other than,…wait for it……………………Diane Feinstein!!!!!!!!!!!!! A thunderous applause!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • DAVY

        “deer” ALex sounds like a paid haaack for the these pages. Well recognized and universally recognized as an idiot.

        First off only time will tell which one of us is the most accurate. I look to barry”s past, his mentors and much of what he is on record for wanting and hating. He’s a marxist. Only a retard would mistake his erosion of the rights and freedoms as playing a good capitalist.

        There hasn’t been true capitalism in the US for 40 YEARS (at least). Capitalism means you take moderate risks and if you screw up you go down. Somewhere along the twisted path the Wall St Robbers BOUGHT the US government and with the help of Clinton getting rid of Glass-Stegal the institutions with OUR money were allowed to do exactly what they did in 1929- only 1,000 times worse. They have destroyed fiat money in 10 years and NONE of the big boys have gone down, gone to prison or even been investigated. LIBOR will be swept under the rug. Geithner will walk. TRILLIONS stolen and the robbers protected by a MARXIST whose stated goal is to gut America. Obviously if he sees both campaign contributions AND destroying the economy coming from the same people those are the ones he will back and protect.

        It is clearly you, alex, who is confused about reality. All you had to do is mention Hilary and I knew you were insane anyway.

        And don’t mistake me for a GOP/FOX haaack either. My stand at this point is no matter WHO wins the election … the government gets in. I believe at this point in time that things will get so bad that ONLY armed insurrection is possible to remove the present status quo and return a Constitutional Republic and a CAPITALIST economy – both of which have been stolen from America by retarded voters who couldn’t tell the difference.

      • DaveH

        Obama’s not a Marxist? Because the very Progressive Alex says so?
        http://www.aim.org/aim-report/is-barack-obama-a-marxist-mole/

      • DaveH

        The ten planks of Communism:
        http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html
        How many of them does Obama advocate?
        Actions speak louder than words.

      • DaveH

        Here, for instance, Obama tries to convince people that business owners aren’t responsible for their own success. Why would he be saying things like that other than to warm people up to the idea of confiscation of businesses by Government, or at the very least Government helping themselves to business peoples’ legally acquired property?
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzf4yjphgf8

    • eddie47d

      Obama has never been Nazified and would make a very poor example of a die hard Communist. He does play the Capitalist fiddle very well in his bedding down with Wall Street though. He is a man of many colors and that drives you all batty.

      • Bill

        I think your comment should have been: he is a man of many colorful lies.

      • JeffH

        “Capitalist fiddle”? OMG, this man hasn’t a clue!

        Yeah, right!

        capitalism – free-market system: an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods, characterized by a free competitive market and motivation by profit.

        Crony capitalism is a term describing an economy in which success in business depends on close relationships between business people and government officials.

        Now tell us again which system Obama panders to?

      • Dale left coast

        The parallels in the life of O’bammy and the life of Uncle Adolph are beyond scarey . . . the “O” is definitely a Socialist (as were Adolph and Mussolini) . . . and he is probably a marxist. Fascism was Communism LIGHT . . . being derived by Mussolini from his association with Marx and Engles whom he held in high esteem.

      • DaveH

        JeffH,
        You’re speaking over Eddie’s IQ range.

      • JeffH

        ..I prefer referring to Obama as a “hybrid” of the “‘ism’s” Marxism/socialism/facism/communism because his roots are steeped in communism and marxism.

  • kategray

    Sure it is great, but only for the poliricians because they do not have to struggle because their jobs do not go away because the economy is bad. They are guantreed their job for 2 or 4 years and then get lifetime bennies off of the hard working TAX-PAYERS.

  • Alex

    The Conservative mantra that “Wealth creates jobs–Government does not” SHOULD give a Conservative pause before asking, again, “Where are the jobs FROM Obama?”

    The better question, obviously, is ‘Where are the jobs from ELEVEN YEARS of Bush Tax Cuts?’

    So many of you parrot the GOP/Fox line that continued appeasement of the wealthy will lead to jobs “trickling down” and yet, there don’t seem to be too many of them, right? I mean, isn’t that one (I know, you have MANY) of your chief criticisms of President Obama? That there doesn’t seem to be too many jobs to be had?

    So, then, at which point do you realize that the “trickle down” theory is just that—a theory that has been proven false over and over again? Maybe after, say, fifteen more years of bending over for the wealthy and pumping their largess to overflowing, maybe THEN those jobs might begin to trickle down? Are you people THAT deluded? That is an alcoholic mindset—thinking maybe if THIS time I will just drink on weekends, or THIS time I will just drink beer, or THIS time I will stop at three….or four—-thinking that things will be different, THIS time….

    Well, ELEVEN YEARS after the GOP pushed tax cuts for the the wealthy, cuts meant to spur the economy and PROVIDE employment, things ARE NOT different. The Tax Cuts for the wealthy have not created jobs—and so you blame the president! You blame the GOVERNMENT which, according to Ron Paul and Wayne Allen Root and Bob Livingston and Mitt Romney, is NOT responsible and simultaneously give a PASS to the wealthy who, according to Ron Paul and Wayne Allen Root and Bob Livingston and Mitt Romney, ARE responsible!!!

    You cannot dodge your OWN philosophy when it does not suit the situation….

    • Kimberly

      Our country has gone down hill faster in the past 4 years than it did in the past 20. I don’t know what you think you know, but look around! The entire middle class is gone and the “CHANGE” that has taken place SUCKS! In the past 4 years, I’ve lost my home and several jobs due to this horrible mess of a government we have now. They want a bunch of lazy people to sit around while the middle class works their asses off to make ends meet even a little. I’m not saying that the GOP has it together either, but I sure as hell hate the people we have in place right now. THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO THE CRAPPER because of what they are doing to destroy this nation!

    • Michael J.

      Alex,
      Everybody had a job until your president came along. 5.6% seems light years away now. Between the time that The Great Destroyer was elected and his inauguration Jan 20th, 700,000 jobs a month were lost because people knew what was coming down the pike. Good luck living with yourself when he pulls the plug on your entitlement gig.

      • Dave67

        Michael Blames Obama for the 700K jobs lost in Jan 09…

        Hill Larry Us….

        Of course we don’t look at the trade policy, the tax cut and spend policy, the useless wars we get ourselves into or the fact that deregulation of the banks, wall street and the home buying industry is the root cause of the 2007 collapse…

        Lets just blame Obama… Its easier than thinking…

      • Dale left coast

        Don’t let the FACTS get in your way Dave . . . since January 2009 the O has done everything in his power and then some to create Insecurity in America . . . from the Insane EPA, cutting Medicare to fund the unworkable Obammycare, to wasting 100′s of billions funding crazy Green Energy failures. No sane businessman would invest in this climate . . . only the govt who have borrowed TRILLIONS to finance this lunacy.
        Why Dave do you suppose O’bammy and Reid have gone almost 4 years without ever creating a BUDGET?
        Been watching Greece Dave? Greece West is coming to America soon . . . especially if the Obammy clown is re-elected by the hand-out class.

      • Dave67

        Thats right Dale, Don’t let the facts get in your way…

        This year Bloomberg did a study finding the US (This year) was the 3rd best place to do business…

        oops…

        “from the Insane EPA,” give your examples please…

        “cutting Medicare to fund the unworkable Obammycare,” (Cutting waste from Medicare is now a bad thing?… Do you have figure on what this country would have spent in HC without the HC law? Of course you don’t…

        “to wasting 100′s of billions funding crazy Green Energy failures.” Now its hundreds of billions? Prove your BS…. Guess what solar energy is now cheaper than it has ever been thanks to the investment

        “No sane businessman would invest in this climate” Thats a lie…

        “only the govt who have borrowed TRILLIONS to finance this lunacy.”—- Please show me where it was Gov cuts and spending and regulation that got us out of the Depression Dale… Can you?

        “Why Dave do you suppose O’bammy and Reid have gone almost 4 years without ever creating a BUDGET?” More BS, Obama submitted budgets which were amended by the House GOP to be a shell of what Obama submitted… Budgets get created in the House which is not to say Reid is not a tool, he is…

        “Been watching Greece Dave? Greece West is coming to America soon . . . especially if the Obammy clown is re-elected by the hand-out class.”

        More absolute BS…. Been Watching The Netherlands #2 on places to do business, Sweden, Germany? They are not anywhere near the financial mess we are thanks to deregulation of the backs and lax credit rules… Of course those country’s you don’t focus on… So in your world, big monied corp interests buying the policy that has sunk our economy is ok, but unemployment insurance they people need to take as the result of this purchased policies are “handouts”

        One of these days Dale, you might get a chance to think for yourself… Don’t be scared… Give it a try.

      • kkflash

        @Dave67
        Obama couldn’t and didn’t pass a budget during his first two years in office either, when the House had a super-majority of Democrats. What’s your (and his) excuse for those 2 years?

      • Michael J.

        Dave67,
        If only Lenin had bloggers like you, Bolshevism might have lasted forever.

      • Michael J.

        Dave67 says,

        “Of course we don’t look at the trade policy, the tax cut and spend policy, the useless wars we get ourselves into or the fact that deregulation of the banks, wall street and the home buying industry is the root cause of the 2007 collapse…”

        Nope, The housing market colapse is the sole property of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who coddled it… Nursed it… made excuses and propped it up like Atlas supporting the weight of the world until the exact moment when it would do the worst possible damage to the Republican Party. Then at the premeditated moment, they let’r rip like a dam bursting.

        The public who lost billions were just colateral damage and never received a second thought… Ya, that’s your party! Even pond scum would look down upon you and spat. Souless contrivers who contribute nothing while disparaging everything.

      • Dave67

        KKFlash,

        A Dem majority does not equal a solid voting block like you get with the GOP

        2009, Obama budget was passed in Apr of 2009.

        The 2011 Budget has tax increases on the wealthy, (GOP hate that) and cuts in social programs (Democrats hate that)

        From ABC on the 2012 budget charade

        Sessions told reporters that it was “stunning” that no one voted for the version of the Obama budget he put forward. “A sitting president of the United States, seeking reelection, can’t lay out a plan that will gain a single vote in the House or Senate for the financial future of America,” he said. “It speaks volumes

        While the Sessions and Mulvaney bills put forward the same topline numbers as those in the president’s budget, neither offered any specifics. The Sessions legislation was 56 pages long; actual budgets are closer to 2,000 pages long.

        Thus, a White House official said, the Sessions proposal was a “shell that could be filled with a number of things that could hurt our economy and hurt the middle class,” a White House official said. “For example, rather than ending tax breaks for millionaires his budget could hit the revenue target by raising taxes on the middle class and rather than ending wasteful programs, his budget could hit its spending target with severe cuts to important programs.”

        “This is the president’s budget,” said the top Democrat on the Senate Budget Committee, Sen. Kent Conrad of South Dakota, indicating the voluminous budget proposal President Obama offered. “This is what Sen. Sessions has presented as being the president’s budget,” he said, indicating the much slimmer document.

        “I think it’s readily apparent there is a big difference between the president’s budget, which I hold in my hands, and what Sen. Sessions has presented as being the president’s budget. This is not the president’s budget. So, of course, we’re not going to support it. It’s not what the president proposed.”

        The White House official said the Sessions and Mulvaney’s bills were mere GOP stunts to get Democrats on record opposing ‘the President’s budget’” as well as distracting from what the House Republican budget would do, which the official described as “protect(ing) massive tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires while making the middle class and seniors pay.”

        Reid is still a tool however…

        Michael J,

        Typical… have to call someone a communist because you don’t agree… Typical.

      • kkflash

        @Dave67
        “Guess what solar energy is now cheaper than it has ever been thanks to the investment”

        In 2010, the lifetime cost of solar power was ONLY 2.34 times as costly per kwh as cheap, plentiful and clean electricity generated by natural gas ($.15 vs. $.064). These figures do NOT include the billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies for solar power. If our tax dollars were considered to be part of the total cost (which it should be), solar would fare far worse than that.
        http://solarcellcentral.com/cost_page.html

        Cost to taxpayers of Solyndra alone: more than $500 million dollars.

      • Dave67

        Of Course Michael J,

        The banks, wall street, the home building industry have nothing to do with it…The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act has nothing do do with it.

        The Former Citibank CEO that just was on TV saying that the banks who spend millions to get rid of Glass-Steegal now says they big banks should be broken up

        Sanford “Sandy” Weill, the tycoon who built financial conglomerate Citigroup (C) into a massive U.S. commercial and investment bank, said it is time to split up the biggest banks so they can go back to growing again.

        The comments were an astonishing about-face for Weill, who in the late 1990s smashed the U.S. law known as “Glass-Steagall” that divided commercial and investment banking. Riskier investment banking activities should be separated from safer commercial banking, and the government should only have to insure the latter, Weill said.

        “The world changes, and the world that we live in is different from the one that we lived in 10 years ago,” Weill said in an interview with television network CNBC.

        Other long-time Wall Street players were quick to applaud Weill. Said Arthur Levitt, Weill’s former business partner in the 1960s and a chairman of the Securities Exchange Commission in the 1990s: “It’s a very difficult statement for him to make since he was largely responsible for the repeal of Glass-Steagall, and he’s absolutely right. This is a very significant statement.”

        When it comes to believing the big banks should be broken up, Weill joins some pretty respectable company. Dallas Fed president Richard Fisher and FDIC board member Thomas Hoenig have already expressed support for reinstating Glass-Steagall.

        Personally, I don’t see it happening. Collectively, TBTF banks have a ton of political clout in both parties. If you don’t believe me, go to C-SPAN.com and watch the Jamie Dimon hearings from last month.

        Breaking up the big banks is a much more radical step than the Volcker rule, which simply banned banks that accept deposits from betting their own money in financial markets. As you may recall, that particular part of the Dodd-Frank financial reform law nearly died in Congress, and thanks to heavy lobbying from the financial industry, now has more loopholes than a crocheted muumuu.

        A battle over reinstating Glass-Steagall would likely be much more contentious, seeing as passing the law would mean many large national banks would cease to exist as we know them.

        But go ahead and blame ALL of it on a Partial player… Typical conservative.

    • DaveH

      Alex says — “The better question, obviously, is ‘Where are the jobs from ELEVEN YEARS of Bush Tax Cuts?’”.
      Good question, Alex, where are those jobs since Obama’s been in office?
      Non-Farm Employment January 2008 — 138023000
      Non-Farm Employment January 2009 — 133561000
      Non-Farm Employment January 2010 — 129279000
      Non-Farm Employment January 2011 — 130456000
      Non-Farm Employment January 2012 — 132461000
      That’s a decrease of over 5 million jobs in the last 4 years.
      You’re such a buffoon, Alex.

      • DaveH234

        More to the point would be why those jobs were lost.
        Job Loss and Obama in office don’t add up to a logical conclusion, It must be His fault.
        Economies take time to move up or down.
        Literally 5-10 years to finish a cycle before anything can be changed and turned around.
        THE downswing was the worst in our lifetimes and the realization it was even happening was years after it had started. Predicting these changes is the hardest thing to do and there are so many facets to contend with.
        Hey, Bush bailed out the bankers yet they failed to reciprocate at all, only made it worse.
        Still are.
        Corporations were already taking the jobs away and never stopped.
        When the big corporations start manufacturing here, which may never happen, we’ll be hard pressed to see quick job growth.
        If we create new industries, like with sustainable energy products and other technologies that will help, too, but not overnight.
        Quick job growth could be produced in improving infrastructures, roads and bridges and such, while the interest rates are low and actually can be paid back at a zero rate.
        But no one can pass a vote their so let’s keep kicking the can.
        If no one wants to work together we’ll all suffer.

      • DaveH

        They do, eh, Daveh234?
        Daveh234 says — “Economies take time to move up or down.
        Literally 5-10 years to finish a cycle before anything can be changed and turned around”.
        Yet we have the 1920 crash which corrected itself in a little over a year. Why? Because Government butted out:
        http://mises.org/daily/3788

      • DaveH

        It’s amazing what people can accomplish when they’re spending their own money rather than somebody else’s money.

  • Alex

    “Please, mommy, just one MORE tax cut—PLEEEASE!! We will be GOOD, this time, mommy! PLEEEASE!! We won’t just SIT on our wealth and watch as it piles HIGHER this time, mommy!! HONEST!! This time we WILL create jobs for the little people, mommy, we PROMISE!! Not like ALL the other times, mommy, we SWEAR to FLIPPIN’ GOD, mommy, and cross our little black hearts…”

    • uvuvuv

      hey a fellow racist, hi there buddy!

    • kkflash

      Obama’s Anthem

      O say can you see, what this land’s come to be,
      where so blindly we failed to stop Congress from scheming,
      Whose tight rules and bad laws, took away all our rights.
      For elections we botched, and deserved all our reaming.
      Millions on fed welfare, half the folks pay no share,
      Was cause through the years that our debt will be there.
      O say, does that entitle-mentality always pave
      the way for communists, and the government slave?

  • Marcel

    Politicians lifetime benefits must be trimmed or stopped……….Let them go to work like everyone else………it’s not a wonder that they believe the economy is good………they don’t have a worry in the world……..especially Barry or whatever else his real name is………now, he’ll be set for life……….electing him was the most stupid thing we’ve ever done………

  • Marcel

    Everyone in this country has (or had) an opportunity to make money and be wealthy, I am not one of the wealthy ones………but the people who have, have done so with hard work…….Bottom line is people with no money do not create jobs and did not aspire to something more or just could not for some other reason……..I was just wondering if Alex turns more of his money at tax time to the government………….do you?

    • Daveh234

      Actually it is the middle class that keeps the economy afloat.
      If the “Job Creators”, who really do have all the money and have decided to take it away from the US economy by outsourcing and investing elsewhere, really did create the jobs or more work here, spending goes up and the whole economy moves forward.
      A few people in this world control the biggest piece of the pie….or maybe almost the whole pie.
      The Trillions the corporations are holding back are because they have everyone under their thumb and can only prosper by keeping it. Hiring fewer workers, because they are only an expense to business, make them more money. More for the shareholders and bonuses for the bosses.
      Trickle down was based on the fact that if they give them breaks they would recirculate the money in the form of investing to produce more goods to sell. Well it isn’t working out that way.
      Trickle down has never worked.

      • DaveH
      • kkflash

        A little girl overheard her parents talking about not having enough money to pay this month’s bills. She decided to open up a lemonade stand to help out, but alas, had no money for lumber to build her stand, nor for pitchers, cups, lemons or sugar. She decided to write a letter to God to ask him for help in getting started.”Dear God,” she wrote, ” Mommy and Daddy are broke, and I think I can help, but I need some startup capital to buy materials for my lemonade business. Can you please send me $50?. I promise to pay it back with the profits from the lemonade sales.” When her letter was being processed at the post office, it was obvious from the handwriting that the letter addressed simply to “God” was written by a young child. So, the mail clerk, not wanting to disappoint the youngster, forwarded the letter to the White House, where President Obama, received and read it with some amusement. “This little girl is a great example to American businesses”, he told his secretary, “Send her $5 along with a memo saying she doesn’t have to pay it back.” When the little girl received the note, she penned this reply: “Dear God. Thank you for the money, but next time would you please not send the money through Washington D.C. As usual, the bastards pissed away 90% of it before it got here!”

        This is how government “stimulus” works.

      • JeffH

        kkflash, excellant. I’d like to send it out by email.

  • Scott in SC

    “You’ve heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession. We have sort of become a nation of whiners, you just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline.” Phil Gramm

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    I TYPED A COMMENT IN ANOTHER THREAD AND MORE COMMENTS APPEARED. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS SYSTEM.

    • deerinwater

      Accept that you managed to get misdirected Criss, it happens, but it’s not the site, it is you. I can think of 7 or 8 times that I’ve manage to do the same thing.

      So you insist to stay with Caps ~ why?

  • Tom Pattantyus

    I wish Alex one year UNOAID vacation in the PRK (Pweoples Republic of Korea). If he is allowed back to this country he will kiss the US ground when he steps off the plane. He claims to be well read, I suggest he reads a few of Thomas Sowell’s very interesting and readable books on economics. Anone who once tasted communisim, like me, shall never forget it or ask for seconds.

  • KONA

    When is “Kool-Aid” drinking Alex going to get off his computer and get a job? His ranting is getting old! Better yet Alex, use your computer to write a resume, pass it around to all your Democratic friends and just maybe you can land that government job you are wanting and can sit at your computer all day using taxpayer dollars spewinig your rhetoric to fellow Demo-rats.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      He already HAS a government job!!! THIS IS IT!!!

      • DAVY

        I wouldn’t doubt that. The LIEberal government in Canada hired a bunch of similar haaacks during the recent several elections to sit on the popular political blogs and disrupt any discussions that tried to expose or discuss government waste, insane immigration policies, retarded economic policies or any of the moronic thugs who had assumed the roll of RULERS.

  • uvuvuv

    the economy will get worse in 2014 when medicare premiums double from 120 to 247, or so i read. this will put millions of elderly over the edge. but can anyone verify this? also can one opt out of medicare? sorry if this is off topic but this is an avalanche compared to any piffling economic adversity now.

  • Daveh234

    Linfield College economics professor Eric Schuck claims, “What you think you know is wrong.” The article appears in The Oregonian at

    http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2012/06/debunking_economic_myths_or_th.html

    The online title is “Debunking economic myths or the trouble with what you think you know”

    • DaveH

      What a load of doublespeak.
      Government can only create jobs by first taking that money from other successful people. So whatever jobs the Government “creates” come at the expense of those that would have been created by the Private Sector. When the Private Sector creates those jobs, they have to do it efficiently because they lose money when they don’t. When the Government “creates” jobs, they don’t have to do it efficiently because it’s not their money that gets lost. Plus the jobs that Government creates are generally politically motivated. That is, they are buying votes. The Private Sector has to produce goods and services that the consumers want. If they don’t they perish, so they don’t have the luxury of political motivation.
      If the Government was really good at producing desirable goods and services, then they could easily support themselves without stealing money from the Private Sector.
      http://mises.org/daily/4612

      • DaveH

        Government is spending more than ever before in our country’s history:
        http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_1980_2012USb_13s1li111mcn_F0t

        So where are those jobs?

      • Dave67

        Horsehockey DaveH…

        The Gov Created the internet… There was no money to be made by its creation in the private sector, once it was created and put out for use by business, we had the tech boom of the 1990′s… Thanks to the US Gov.

        Without Gov Grants, the railroads do not exist… How many jobs sprang up from the railroads?

        Your mises.org propaganda does not work here in the real world…

        The Gov can and does play a positive role in business investment…

        Sorry Davy…

      • JeffH

        Is this Obama or Dave 67 talking. Hard to tell the difference.
        Educate yourself Dave67/Obama.

        I’m not denying there were government subsidies involved but to say the government invented the internet is totally false.

        The Internet was the result of some visionary thinking by people in the early 1960s who saw great potential value in allowing computers to share information on research and development in scientific and military fields. J.C.R. Licklider of MIT first proposed a global network of computers in 1962, and moved over to the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) in late 1962 to head the work to develop it. Leonard Kleinrock of MIT and later UCLA developed the theory of packet switching, which was to form the basis of Internet connections. Lawrence Roberts of MIT connected a Massachusetts computer with a California computer in 1965 over dial-up telephone lines. It showed the feasibility of wide area networking, but also showed that the telephone line’s circuit switching was inadequate. Kleinrock’s packet switching theory was confirmed. Roberts moved over to DARPA in 1966 and developed his plan for ARPANET. These visionaries and many more left unnamed here are the real founders of the Internet.
        http://www.walthowe.com/navnet/history.html

      • Michael J.

        Moosehockey Dave67,
        What you libs don’t understand is that the government serves at the pleasure of the people who created it. The commie czar you support seeks to turn that table 180 degrees, but it will be over my dead body.

        But that ain’t happenen because we know that chyour machismo ends when the tip of your fingers strike the keyboard, in person urall petite flower-power girlie men.

      • DaveH

        JeffH says — “Is this Obama or Dave 67 talking”.
        I think it’s Flashman, JeffH. Sounds just like his normal manipulative tactics, doesn’t it?

      • DaveH

        It seems just a little bit too coincidental that Flashman had been blogging prolifically, and then Dave67 magically appeared and blogged prolifically that same day that Flashman was absent.
        Also note that they both use the same adolescent manipulative techniques, non-sequitur arguments, and personal attacks.
        Of course, that could just be coincidental and maybe there are just that many Liberals who must personally attack in lieu of facts.

      • DaveH

        I decided to take the time to debunk the Oregon Professor’s court economics:
        He says — “myth No. 1: Firms are job creators”.
        Then he goes into a long-winded expose of why corporations hire people (for their own benefit). So as he states, the companies aren’t doing the hiring for the benefit of the workers. But then again, the workers aren’t working at those companies for the benefit of the employers, are they? So what? That’s how it works. A mutual exchange. The workers provide their labor in exchange for the company’s money.
        But, and it’s a Big But, the companies ARE creating jobs. The Professor failed to demonstrate that those companies aren’t creating jobs. Rather he just exposed their intent in the hiring — Selfish. And just who isn’t operating in their own selfish interests? Not many of us. Maybe none, as even a Priest gets something out of his efforts (satisfaction, good self-image, etc.).
        So the Professor failed in his efforts. Apparently he forgot that when publishing his “debunking” he wasn’t going to be dealing with a bunch of naive students who didn’t dare critique his comments for fear of getting lower grades.
        His other 2 “debunkings” were equally weak, but I’ve got work to do, so I won’t waste my time, except by popular demand.
        It’d be better anyway, if the readers would just read the book “The Case for Legalizing Capitalism” that I linked to earlier.

    • DaveH

      It’s telling that the author of Daveh234′s article is “Eric Schuck, a professor of economics and the coordinator of the Environmental Studies Program at Linfield College in McMinnville”.
      Environmental Studies? Does anybody smell a Government-funded program? Does anybody expect non-partisan economics from such a person?
      For some in-depth analysis of Macro Economics written so lay people can understand it, read this book:
      http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

    • Dave67

      Thanks JeffH for clarifying the point that the military and universities funded by the Gov helped create the internet as I said.

      I appreciate your help there…

      Michael J,

      Thats where liberals believe… Gov serves the people’s interests… not the other way around… you just need some education to undo the brainwashing you have had by conservatives.

      Hopefully you can educate yourself.

      • DaveH

        Odd, isn’t it, that the “creators” are trying so hard to control it?
        http://mises.org/daily/2211

      • DaveH

        Actions speak louder than words.
        Imperialistic adventures around the globe.
        The Patriot Act.
        The National Defense Authorization Act.
        Forced Healthcare Insurance.
        In fact everything Government does involves forcing things on unwilling people.
        Yeah, right, they are serving the peoples’ interest.

      • DaveH

        Next, Dave67 is going to be telling us how “compassionate” he is, as he personally attacks those of us who are exposing his bosses’ agendas.

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        Do you even read your links at all? What is that last link trying to tell us?

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        The Gov also protects you from foul drinking water, making sure nuke waste does not get into the environment, puts these pesky laws in place to force you to stop at red lights… Those dirty SOB’s…

        Oh the horror… I should be able to pollute at will right DaveH? Nobody should trample on my right to foul the planet and be a burden on society.

        DaveH is an anarchist… Who knew? What does mises.org say about the market dictating punishment for murder? Can’t have the Gov do that because they are EVIL…

      • JeffH

        Dave67, you don’t even hide your ignorance.

        “Thanks JeffH for clarifying the point that the military and universities funded by the Gov helped create the internet as I said.”

        You said and I quote “The Gov Created the internet…”

        The military did not create the internet nor did the government. It was a group of individual visionaries that created the internet with government assistance…a far cry from the “government created it”.

        I’ll make it simple for you to understand…your wife has an idea that she wants to cook a peach pie, something no one has ever done before, but but doesn’t have enough money to buy the fixins for it. You think it’s a good idea and give her some of your paycheck to buy what she needs. She makes the peach pie and it’s fantasticand decides to market the new pie…but you insist that she didn’t create it because it was your money that bought the ingrediants so you should get all of the credit for the peach pie idea even though you didn’t have a clue what a peach pie was.

        The Gov Created the internet? Hardly! So who gets credit for creating the Internet? Government? The military? Big corporations? Universities?

        The answer is “all the above”. The Internet is the product of a free society, everyone working together, and sometimes working at odds with each other. It’s a triumph of an “official anarchy”.

        Government threw money at many networks, including the TCP/IP Internet. TCP/IP was influenced by many things, among them the government. But what government most gave TCP/IP was its benign neglect as it spent its guidance, vision, leadership, and energy on developing the OSI network. What’s important about the Internet is that the OSI standard failed. It’s not the standard of today’s Internet. The government backed the wrong horse, so to speak. Instead, today’s Internet is based on TCP/IP — a networking standard the government tried to kill off.

        This history important. If you believe those who say that it’s government’s unique vision that created the Internet, then you would naturally believe that the government should continue with their successful strategy of regulating and controlling the Internet. If you believe that it’s the product of “official anarchy”, then you would agree that government should continue keeping its hands off the Internet.
        http://erratasec.blogspot.com/2011/04/government-didnt-create-internet.html

      • Dave67

        Sorry Jeffrey… Without the Gov… the internet does not exist for you to play on… Without Gov funding… it does not happen.

        Even your girlfriend DaveH’s mises.org understands that without the Gov, the internet does not exist.

        So… put that in your fascist pipe and smoke it.

      • JeffH

        Dave67, that’s not completely true. The idea was alive and well before the government got involved and to say it wouldn’t have happened without the government is a false statement. You are just assuming that there wouldn’t be an internet.

        I’ll repeat this for you… Government threw money at many networks, including the TCP/IP Internet. TCP/IP was influenced by many things, among them the government. But what government most gave TCP/IP was its benign neglect as it spent its guidance, vision, leadership, and energy on developing the OSI network. What’s important about the Internet is that the OSI standard failed. It’s not the standard of today’s Internet. The government backed the wrong horse, so to speak. Instead, today’s Internet is based on TCP/IP — a networking standard the government tried to kill off.

        You see that the government was putting it’s money behind and pushing for the development of the OSI network. What’s important about the Internet is that the OSI standard failed.
        The current TCP/IP based internet became the standard despite the government, not because of the government.

        FYI, I do love it when you have to resort to typical liberal retorts…it’s nice to know you can’t take the heat.

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “Do you even read your links at all? What is that last link trying to tell us?”.
        Another typical Flashman technique.
        There’s very little doubt in my mind that Dave67 is just another of the Flashman multiple personalities. Either that or the shills get together and plot how to neutralize me. But the PL readers aren’t that ignorant, Dave67. They can tell the difference between honest debate and the kind that Progressives must use being bereft of facts, logic, or experience.
        But keep it up, Dave67. The more you Progressives post, the more the readers can see how truly useless you guys are.

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “Oh the horror… I should be able to pollute at will right DaveH? Nobody should trample on my right to foul the planet and be a burden on society”.
        Internet Troll technique #7 — “The troll will accuse his opposition of subscribing to a certain point of view, even if he does not, and then attacks that point of view”.
        Did I ever say you could trespass on other peoples’ bodies and property, Dave67? You’re putting words in my mouth. As usual.
        Dave67 says — “What does mises.org say about the market dictating punishment for murder? Can’t have the Gov do that because they are EVIL”.
        Saul Alinsky tactic #2 — “Go off on tangents. Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty in your opposition”.
        http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/07/disinformation-how-it-works/
        Give it up, Dave67. You’re more transparent than Obama.
        I think it’s time for you to have another drink, Dave67, to assuage the guilt of your being such a phony.
        Think about that, Folks. These are the morally bankrupt, personally attacking people who are lying to you about their “compassion”. Do you really want to let them go any further in their efforts to rule your life?

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “Even your girlfriend DaveH’s mises.org understands that without the Gov, the internet does not exist”.
        So he manages to mix a personal attack with ignorant conjecture in one sentence. The fact is, Dave67, that nobody knows the answer to that because there isn’t a parallel universe in which Free Markets exist so as to see what the advances might have been without Big Government. But given Government’s almost constant failures at everything they do, it is very likely that we would have had an Internet with more robust technology than we have now in that parallel Free Market universe.

      • JeffH

        DaveH, you’re probably correct about falsy/D67…at best(worst) they’re trained and reading from the same script ala Alinsky.
        Logic is not a part of their make-up but Rules for Radicles is.

        By the way, isn’t it wonderful to expose these morons as the progressive trolls they are…they get so upset and lose control of themselves.

  • uvuvuv

    someone once asked andrew carnegie how he got so wealthy. he said, the answer is in any public library. gee, all we have to do now is get the public schools to teach reading. i know, i know, just kidding.

    • deerinwater

      Well, LOL! He was correct of course. ~ It’s all a matter of application and commitment.

      I bought a Viola , only paid $175.00 dollars for it ~ I could not get any music out of it! So I bought a $500.00 Viola, with much the same results!

      Finally in desperation, I bought private lessons and books! ~ Would you like to hear “Twinkle, twinkle little star”? ~ “Faded Love” I’m working on.

      A Violin can make so awful noise, which seem to start as soon as I picked it up! Like ~ ho no! not again!

      • Maryland Freestater

        Tour first mistake was wanting to learn to play a string instrument – second was a viola! I knew a guy, violinist, who practiced viola for six months, and won a seat in a nearby major-league symphony. Boy, were all the local violists pissed!!!

        Learn sax better.

        On topic – all I know is we is in for some BIG trouble as long as this moron and such cronies are in charge.

  • Deerinwater

    Yea, ~ I was thinking and feeling much the same way under Reagan tenure as the News boosted how wonderful business was while I found not only myself but all of my friend that were not employed by government or a government contractor life style in serious decline and had us digging in the couch cushions for milk money for our children and working three jobs.

    I don’t know what to tell you Sammy, ~ as a small business operator/owner since 85″, I do believe this repressed economic climate has much to do with it being an election year and has been orchestrated by the few that possess the capacity to do so, finding the American voter misery serving their best interest.

    In any case 2013 will be a comeback year regardless of who might be president, for three reasons.
    1. a decision has been made in leadership, we will have a Lame Duck or new leadership.
    2. demand is high and only getting higher
    3. there is simply too much in the pipe that has been pinched off, this pressure once released will come a flood of commerce and with it, opportunities that will be most welcome to receive.

    • kkflash

      You are soooo wrong. 2013 will be the year of the US (and hence the world) economic collapse. There are MORE than 3 reasons for this, but 3 of them are:
      1) There have been no decisions of any kind made by leadership. In fact, there is no leadership in Washington. They haven’t even had a budget since Obama took office.
      2) Demand is low and shrinking.
      3) There is little in the pipe because over-regulation, high taxation and overgrowth of government spending has elminated so much real investment capital from the economy. There will be no flood of commerce, because the government “stimulus” is a sham foisted on us all by Keynesian economic theorists whose theories have never worked before and will not this time. Government is simply destroying the value of the dollar by “stimulating” us with more and more fiat money chasing fewer and fewer goods and services.

      You have it all bass-ackwards.

      • Deerinwater

        Well, clearly we have a different perspective and that is what makes it a horse race. I see a lot in play in the part of the nation that I live in and I see a boom in the works.

        Sadly that’s the way money works, ~ like rain! It does not rain everywhere and never at the same time.

        We can’t all be like South Carolina and have Federal money pouring in by the boxcar load from defense spending or be like Arizona where is the largest employer in the state is government it’s self. We can’t all be like the gain belt and have a magic wand to turn perfectly good corn and a gallon of gasoline into a half a gallon of corn gas and be Federally subsidized for such a cleaver trick .

        later you offered us; “Since the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913, big government’s profligate and deficit spending has destroyed 96% of the value of a dollar.”

        Until you connect deficit spending with the Federal Reserve, you really have not said very much. While I know and understand the connection you should not assume your audience does.

        It is true, 2013 improvement will not reach everyone.

      • kkflash

        @deerinwater
        At your behest, and for the benefit of the rest of the audience, the Federal Reserve is financing the deficit spending by buying 40% or more of each month’s issues of Treasury securities. They pay for these with the fiat dollars they create from nothing, thus flooding the economy with ever more worthless money. They’ve tripled the money supply in the last 5 years. When all that new money is circulating in an economy that is not growing in terms of its production of goods and services, you have inflation, which is characterized by rising prices in dollar terms, but is really just systematic, intentional devaluation of the dollar. To make the price changes less obvious, the government then lies about the rate of inflation by changing the formula they use to calculate it, and publishing the bogus CPI on a regular basis. All this is common knowledge among the regulars on this website, and I’m somewhat embarassed to reiterate it, but you asked for it.

        Yes, it appears there is economic growth in a few areas, notably the shale formations. While you are correct that these areas will continue to show such growth of production in 2013, and also correct that not all parts of the country will participate in that, I can assure you with 100% certainty that the coming collapse of the dollar will spare no one. The Mayans forecast the end of the world at the end of 2012. In economic terms, they will be more correct than anyone believes.

  • DAVY

    What I find comical and TRAGIC is that people keep referring to 2014 or 2016 for major changes to happen.

    The CBO estimates that Bush (started TARP) and then barry have sunk $23 TRILLION into the bailouts (idiotic term if ever there was one) ON TOP of the $16 TRILLION in National debt. Then we have the UNfunded liabilities of $212 TRILLION. The pension funds and Muni-Bonds are empty/worthless. You don’t think people are gonna notice when they can’t buy a quart of milk with their monthly pension check? The Fed is buying the make believe Bonds that the Treasury is issuing at the request of the FED. The investment banks are claiming losses in the derivative markets of $1.4 QUADRILLION. ALL the money is GONE. We are living on borrowed monopoly money that, delusionally, most people still think of as worth something.

    The hole (sic) system is sooo beyond broke there is no other option than to crash and burn. The wings fell off your plane and you’re arguing about how much fuel to take on. The discussions in the media on the economy reminds me of those 2 or 3 seconds when Wlley Coyote chases the Roadrunner off the cliff and his legs are still spinning … and then he plummets. The WORLD is about to plummet BECAUSE of corrupt politicians and criminal bankers. Listen to the lamestream media and everything is fine. The recovery is just chugging along. They still parrot the unemployment rate at 7% or 8% and not the REAL unemployment rate of about 26%.

    As I said in my response to the village idiot – above – this is NOT gonna get fixed with an election. The government is going to get in, the status quo will be maintained …. until the dollar is globally and locally recognized as worth NOTHING. Then the military will be asked to protect ALL the thieves who did this to us. Which side they choose to back will be a far more interesting scene than any rigged election.

    IMHO.

  • Dave67

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    So glad, the right never use fear…

    • kkflash

      So sad the left never use truth…

      • Dave67

        Waiting for the right to start as well

      • kkflash

        Here’s some truth for you, smart aleck. Since the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913, big government’s profligate and deficit spending has destroyed 96% of the value of a dollar.

      • Dave67

        blah blah blah… this year… “the dollar will CRASH!!!”

        Last year: “This year the dollar will CRASH!!”

        The year before “This year the dollar will CRASH!”

        You boys are the economic prognosticators that cried wolf..

        So much gloom and doom and fear… The conservative trade.

      • DaveH

        While the useless Troll rants, Folks, you can play with this inflation calculator and see that kkflash is indeed correct. Keep in mind that these are conservative Government estimates which mostly likely err on the high side. The dollar devaluation since 1913 has probably been much worse than stated:
        http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl
        $1 in 1913 had the same buying power that $23.18 has now. Your current dollar only retains 4% of its 1913 value. That thanks to the Federal Reserve and Big Government.

    • Karolyn

      You got that right, Dave! The more fear that is instilled into people, the more negative energy is created, the worse things get. It’s a self-fulfilling prophesy.

      If Charlotte, NC is any indication of the health of the economy, then it sure is healthy. I am amazed when I got to Charlotte and see all the people who live in beautiful homes out and about spending so much money. It’s the people who are afraid to spend who are the problem. The cash has to be moving to improve the economy. People keep wailing and crying how poor they are and how bad things are, and it gets worse and worse. it is just so logical! “As ye think, so shall ye be.”

      • kkflash

        Karolyn,
        I’m sorry I can’t help you out on this one. I have to save every dime I can to pay my share of the $16 trillion debt we owe. At last count, my household’s share was $684,244. I don’t need any help from fear-mongers for that number to scare the $h1t out of me!

      • DaveH

        Karolyn says — “It’s the people who are afraid to spend who are the problem”.
        Yeah right, Karolyn. It wouldn’t have anything at all to do with the malinvestment spurred on by profligate creation of dollars by the Federal Reserve, Government Intervention, and Wasteful Government Spending, now would it?
        Just blame the strapped consumers. You honestly think that if they spent their savings, and/or put themselves in deeper debt, we would have a better economy? Where’s the love, Karolyn?
        Make yourself useful, Karolyn. Instead of pestering good people who are seeking information about Freedom and Prosperity, read this book and reduce your ignorance of economics:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

      • kkflash

        As a followup to DaveH’s comment above, I’d like to point out that Karolyn is indeed going to get her wish very soon. When the dollar collapses, and hyperinflation hits the public eye, there is going to be a spending spree such as the world has never see before. People will rushing to convert their worthless dollars into usable goods and services at such a high rate, non one will be able to calculate the annualized inflation rate. And Dave67 will still be blah, blah, blahing that we need more government stimulus.

  • http://Personalliberty.com Ron b

    Seems to me, that this country has Ben gutted from within & has totally Ben corrupted by the powers that be. Our country has Ben hijacked…and minipulated by the most unsavory of chracters.

    • Dave67

      Yep, all are major contributors to the GOP and Democratic parties…Big money in the political process has helped ruined this country.

      • http://Wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        People use the GOP and the democrats like hitmen. They seem to think they can get something from them not realizing that anything a politician gets them has to come from them in the first place. The wealth in America IS NOT produced by politicians and their ilk. They can’t give people jobs. They don’t have businesses to hire them to work in. To sum it up, politicians are OVERHEAD, very expensive overhead.

      • kkflash

        As the Christian American points out above, government is 100% on the expense side of the national ledger. As any business owner knows, to become most profitable, businesses must reduce overhead to the bare minimum. Government, likewise, must be reduced to the bare minimum for our country to be prosperous.
        And don’t try to liken government spending to an “investment” made by business, that is expected to produce a return on invested capital. There is no similarity between government entitlement spending and a business’ investment in equipment or personnel. Government spending, to the extent it exceeds the bare minimum required to keep the country running, is simply unecessary expense. The Constitution enumerates those powers of government that may be exercised to meet that bare minimum, and our current government wastes trillions of the people’s money by exceeding those powers.

      • Dave67

        I disagree CA,

        That may be what politicians are NOW thanks to our corruption in the two party charade… Politicians exist to make and enforce the laws of society. Gov should act as a check against abuse of the system by corporations, unions and individuals. Because we live in a world of global trade, Gov also has roles to play in education standards, trade agreements and monetary policy in dealing with the rest of the world. In order to act as a cohesive unit (a country) we need the Gov to act on its people’s behalf. Otherwise, everyone just goes off in their own direction and as a country, we fail (remember, united we stand, divided we fall?) Well it works in international trade.

        Our Gov needs to work on its people’s behalf, not corp overlords why pay millions of dollars to buy policy.

      • kkflash

        @Dave67
        Once again, you have everything completely backwards. A proper government does NOT act as a check against the people. The people act as a check against over-reaching, power-hungry, abusive, unaffordable government. Have you never read a word of the Constitution? All powers not specifically enumerated and spelled out for the Federal government are reserved to the people, or the states. What you describe as the province and responsibility of government exists in a Marxist system, not in a constitutional republic such as ours.
        Government’s role in monetary policy is to assure a currency with stable value, not to destroy it by unlimited currency creation, and profligate spending and borrowing. The federal government’s role in education should be zip, zero, nada. That is not one of the powers granted to it, and is therefore reserved to the states. The Department of Education should be the first thing cut from the Federal budget.
        This behemoth government of ours must shrink by more than 1/3 from its current level, and fast, or we are going down in economic flames. How easy is it for our economy to fail? It’s as simple as the Chinese dumping their US Treasury Debt on the world market, causing US interest rates to rise and the value of the dollar to plummet. They’ve already begun to do so. They recently made several agreements to trade oil in their own currency, rather than in dollars. They only thing holding up the value of the dollar now, is the lack of a more viable alternative i.e. the Euro is worse off than the dollar. Formal proposals have already been made to replace the dollar as the world’s reserve currency. What do you suppose will happen to our standard of living when the Federal Reserve can no longer paper over our ever-increasing debt by creating fiat money from thin air to finance the deficit spending? It will take a boatload of worthless dollars just to feed yourself for a day.
        You big government liberals can’t see the forest for the trees.

      • Dave67

        kkflash…

        blah blah blah…. take what I say and twist it to fit your definition…

        We elect politicians to enforce and make laws yes?

        We have a vote to keep the politicians in check… I thought even a conservative knows that much but I guess you need that one spelled out for you,

      • kkflash

        I didn’t twist anything. I flatly contradicted your erroneous and fallacious statements.

  • Southside Hawk

    Those parasites in DC are, as my father used to say….:living off the fat of the land”.

  • Patriot

    The primary reason that they have pumped trillions into the economy via the stimulus was to protect those entitlements, these politicians are scared to death to what they already know. What do you think will happen once those checks STOP?

    • John Woodbury

      What do think will happen if Osama er Obama is not re-elected?

      • kkflash

        IMHO, Mitt Romney will fare no better in preventing the pain caused by our government’s profligate spending. The snowball is rolling downhill and it’s already too large to stop it.

  • http://Wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    I’ve read that the average wage in the District of Criminals is far better and getting better that the 50 states they extract their money from. Does DC grow anything? NO. Does it’s industries produce anything? NO. DC is purely overhead to the 50 states. It regulates them. For it’s services it charges 60 to 70 cents on every dollar takes in. The insanity of it all is people keep coming back for government money knowing the government money was taken from them in the first place. That’s about as dumb as thinking the certificates we call money is worth anything. If there was collateral backing up the receipts or certificates they’d have some value but?

  • ONTIME

    In DC there is a multitude of well paid government workers and of course a government union to garauntee employment, there is plenty of tax money to soothe the increase brought by inflation and shortages and all that deserved hard work like that of the GSA who paaaaarteeeeeys big time and the 9th circus Court has decided they do them one better and spend more on their justified party. We have elite incumbents who know no monetary pain and lack for nothing, working or retired.

    The need for term limits, salary only and a national sales tax are growing with leaps and bounds and if you want to put the civil back into public service, regain your representation, then it’s time you hounded your elected reps and i do men hammer them.

  • chuckb

    this video was posted over the weekend, for those who missed it, you may understand the problem a little better.:

    http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/EW5IdwltaAc?rel=0

  • http://yahoo.com rosalina hodges

    The people of this nation should stop believing this administration’s spin about the economy. Lies, lies and more lies. What with 15 + trillon this Country has in debt, it will take a new President and fiscal tightening on all branches of government to restore the health of this country.
    My biggest concern at the moment is why are the upcoming Presidential debates being moderated by the liberal media hosts.? Where are the conservative moderators? What are the chances of our conservatives candidates winning any debates when all these moderators are known to be bias and pro Obama.
    Following are the dates and names of the moderators:
    Oct.3 PBS Jim Lehrer
    Oct 16 CNN Candy Crowley
    Oct. 22 CBS Bob Schieffer
    Is anybody out there that can change this line up? Liberals dominates the media already.
    CNN, NBC, ABC, ABC all these stations are liberals. Fox is but the only station that provides unbias reporting. IS ANYBODY OUT THERE??????

    • Dave67

      “Fox is but the only station that provides unbias reporting.”

      LOL!!! Oh boy… thats a good one…

  • libertarian58

    Of course the economy is getting better. . . FOR THEM!

  • Dave67

    Our economy is fundamentally broken.

    We need to end all trade agreements that are bad for US workers
    We need to break up the banks and regulate the banks and credit
    We need to get big money out of the political process
    We need to reduce defense spending to 300B a year
    We need to end oil and farm subsidies
    We need to make changes to Medicare and Medicad to get us past the baby-boomer generation
    We need a flat tax of 23% across the board until your salary gets below 50K (no loopholes)
    We need an end to Capital Gains but make sure nobody can hide pay in their company.
    We need investment in education and infrastructure with the measurable goal being how competitive we are in the world.

    We do these things… We can get on the path to a sound economy and fiscal wellness.

    Anything else is window dressing.

    • DaveH

      Central Control of economies never has and never will work, because no man or group of men is capable of knowing what 300 million people are going to value and demand from one day to the next. But the Socialists will keep on trying, because they have nothing to lose but your money, Folks, if they’re wrong (and they always are).
      Read this report to see what Dave67 and the other administration shills don’t want you to know:
      http://www.freetheworld.com/2011/reports/world/EFW2011_complete.pdf

    • kkflash

      I can hardly believe myself, but I agree with some of the things you are saying.
      “Our economy is fundamentally broken.” So true.

      “We need to end all trade agreements that are bad for US workers” Not exactly – We need to end all trade agreements that are bad for US businesses. The workers’ success depends on the success of the business that employs them. Allow the business to flourish here with deregulation and globally competitive tax rates and US workers will have jobs.
      “We need to break up the banks and regulate the banks and credit.” Not exactly. We need to break up the Federal Reserve Banks to stop the incessant money printing. The rest of the banks don’t need more regulation any more than other American businesses do. In fact, it was federal regulation and intervention in the banking system that was the primary cause of the mortgage debt crisis in the first place. Ever hear of the Community Reinvestment Act, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac?
      “We need to get big money out of the political process.” This is to a great extent true, but not in the way you think. The way to get some big money out of the political process is simply to allow government to control far less money. Chopping their current budget in half should lessen the incentive for moneyed interests to try and buy elections.
      “We need to reduce defense spending to 300B a year.” Yes, we need to reduce defense spending a great deal, but we need a proportionate cut in entitlement spending, which you conveniently left off of your list.
      “We need to end oil and farm subsidies.” There are no oil subsidies. That is a leftist term for legitimate deductions from gross income for the actual costs of discovering and producing oil. I agree that farm subsidies should end, as it is government interference in the free markets, and another form of wealth redistribution.
      “We need to make changes to Medicare and Medicad to get us past the baby-boomer generation.” Yes. Medicare and Medicaid is government controlled healthcare limited to the elderly and the poor. Government controlled anything is a bad idea, but unfortunately we are in those programs up to our necks, and as usual, government has mucked it up. Obamacare will be mucked up even worse, because its a bad idea to begin with. I know how to get out Obamacare – repeal it. I don’t know how to get out of Medicare/Medicaid though, and any suggestions you have would be helpful.
      “We need a flat tax of 23% across the board until your salary gets below 50K (no loopholes)”. I’m supportive of a simplified tax system including a flat tax rate. 23% is way too high. ( The federal government now takes more than 24% of GDP, so your proprosal wouldn’t be a cut, it would be an increase.) Giving everyone making less than 50K a free pass is also wrong, because everyone, and I mean everyone, needs some skin in the game.
      “We need an end to Capital Gains but make sure nobody can hide pay in their company.” I don’t think you meant to say” end to Capital Gains”, because a capital gain is a good thing, as everyone knows. A capital gain is the creation of wealth, which we all hope to achieve individually and collectively. I think you are trying to argue for an end to preferential tax rates for investment gains vs. ordinary income. While that approach may stifle business and job growth somewhat, I think a dollar gained is a still a (devalued) dollar, so I’m with you on taxing all gains the same, as long as the rate is low enough.
      “We need investment in education and infrastructure with the measurable goal being how competitive we are in the world.” No and yes. Government has some enumerated powers to do those things that the private sector cannot accomplish on its own: National defense and public infrastructure are among these. I’ll even go so far as to agree that a basic education should be the right of every citizen (one of the few appropriate applications of the “general welfare” clause.) But, for the most part, education is a state issue, and the federal government’s current involvement is far too great.

    • Dave67

      I love how DaveH puts words in my mouth as if his link is something that I support…

      KKFlash,

      Capital Gains taxes as it is today needs to end. Cap Gains was meant to make sure tax cheats do not hide their income…

      Taxes for 50K and below go below 23%, they have to pay their share.

      As far as big money out of politics… You really think you can achieve that by simply shrinking the Fed Gov? Really? Nice theory, not going to work in the real world… The Gov sets trade policy with other nations, the Gov sets working conditions, environmental regs as they should. Are you going to throw out the first Amendment altogether? Thats the only way you can get there…

      Freddie Mac. Fannie Mae and the CRA were PART of the problem… The big banks also had their hand, the housing industry had their hand and so did wall street with the derivative scams they pushed. They got what they wanted through lobbying efforts and bribes to traitors like Phill Gramm.

      Gov is only as good or as bad as we allow it to be… We get good people in there… we get better results… we get morons and corporatists in there… we get the collapse of 2007.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Forgotten Truth: Hillary Clinton Mother of ‘Birther’ Movement!

    Nearly all liberals, as well as a few misguided conservatives, have sought to dismiss the “birther” movement as the product of right-wing retards barking up the wrong tree.

    However, the entire issue of Barack Obama’s eligibility was first brought to the fore by lawyers acting on behalf of Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2008.

    Specifically, Phil J. Berg, hardly a member of any vast right wing conspiracy, was an ardent supporter of Hillary Rodham Clinton, and her candidacy for the presidency.

    Notwithstanding his liberal pedigree, Phil J. Berg was hot on the trail of one Barack Obama, because Berg wished to protect the American people from electing a non-citizen to the most powerful office in the world.

    In August 2008, before Obama was officially nominated by the Democrat party, Mr. Berg filed a legal challenge to Obama’s constitutional eligibility to occupy the Oval Office.

    On October 23, Mr. Berg filed a Motion to Expedite Resolution of Berg V. Obama, summarized directly below:

    ” This motion argues that the facts have been established that Barack Obama is not constitutionally qualified to be elected or serve as President of the United States, and that the Court should issue a summary judgment as follows:

    That Barack Hussein Obama a/k/a Barry Hussein Obama a/k/a Barack Dunham a/k/a Barry Dunham a/k/a Barack Soetoro a/k/a Barry Soetoro is not a “natural born” or “naturalized” United States citizen.

    That he is ineligible to run for and/or serve as President of the United States.

    That the Democratic National Committee be enjoined from naming Barack Hussein Obama, et al as the Democratic Presidential Candidate on the ballot.

    That the Democratic National Committee and Barack Hussein Obama, et al are enjoined from any further campaigning on behalf of Barack Hussein Obama, et al for Office of the Presidency.

    That Barack Hussein Obama’s, et al name be removed from any and all ballots for the Office of the President of the United States.”

    There you go! The inconvenient truth is as follows: Hillary Clinton is the mother of all
    birthers!

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/22345

    • Dave67

      http: //www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

      All that needs to be said about this

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Obama can’t win on the economy. He can’t win on foreign policy. He can’t win on any aspect of his administration. All he can do is stir up violence and then promise to heal the country in his second term while winking to all the representatives of the grievance groups. It’s not a new game, but the Democratic Party has never played it quite this baldly in a national election. And if it succeeds, then national politics will have finally been reduced to the level of a Chicago election.

    We were expected to believe that the typical Obama voter in 2008 was hoping for a better country, but in 2012 there is no more hope, only hate and fear. The typical Obama voter is not acting as an American, but as a representative of an entitled group looking to secure and expand those entitlements at the expense and the detriment of the country at large.

    To vote for Obama after years of grotesque economic mismanagement that has no precedent in history, that exceeds the worst actions of Andrew Jackson or Ulysses S. Grant, is not the instinct of an American, but a selfish greedy looter scrambling to grab a few dinner rolls off the tray while the ship is going down.

    There is no policy justification for voting for a man with the worst economic and foreign policy record in the country’s history. There is no American justification for voting for him. Only the UnAmerican motivation of carving up a dying country into group fiefdoms privileging identity politics over the common good.

    This is an UnAmerican campaign. It is an Anti-American campaign. It is a campaign by those who hate and fear what America was and who resent having to care about anyone outside their own group. Its group jingoism, its dog whistles and special privileges are repulsive and cynical, treating the people of a great nation like a warren of rats eager to sell each other out for a prize from the Cracker Jack box of identity politics entitlements.

    There is not a single Obama voter anywhere in the land who believes that another four years of him will make this country better. Not a single one from coast to coast. No, what they believe is that he will make the country a worse place for those people that they hate.

    That he will have four more years to sink their ideas deeper in the earth, regardless of how many families go hungry and how many fathers kill themselves because they can no longer take care of their families.

    What they believe is that Obama will grant their group more special privileges and the rest of the country can go to hell.

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/48748

    • deerinwater

      Jay, he has already won on the economy and foreign policy. That you , the media that you favor and company that you keep have made a conscience and deliberate effort to ignore and plain deny it does not mean it hasn’t happened.

      While things do ! ~ still “SUCK” , they do suck less today then in 2000. While I’m by no means “pleased” , allow me to say, I’m more pleased then you are.

      It’s a huge hole we are trying to dig out of while the GOP wants to issue every 4 men, two short handle shovels in the name of “Conservatism”

      • kkflash

        The only thing that has improved in the economy since Obama has taken office is the government’s ability to lie about it.

    • kkflash

      Extremely well said, Jay. I applaud.

    • Dave67

      “There is no policy justification for voting for a man with the worst economic and foreign policy record in the country’s history”

      Jay, were you living in THIS country from 2000-2008? Just curious…

      Trouble is with you boys… you have selective amnesia when it comes to Bush and you attach fault to Obama for things he has little to do with. But its typical with conservatives.

  • chuckb

    deerinthewater, you say the economy is better today than 2000, you are under the impression is sucks, but, better. how can you say that, gas is over $4.00 pg in calif. food prices are soaring, energy prices out of sight.major un-employment, and you are willing to call this ok. much more of this and the economy will implode.

    and what does barry offer the country, more of the same, his or should i say their economic plan has been a disaster. .most minorities will enjoy his plan of free everything and he will keep feeding off the so called rich, even if he succeeds in removing the bush tax breaks for the 1 % how long do think that will last? you won’t even see a dent in our troubles, however, you will see more un-employment. .

    do you ever look at other nations of the world and wonder why they are considered third world, they have your opinion of a good economy, they feed from the inside out.they eat their food seed instead of planting. thst’s exactly what this clown in the white house believes, look at africa, take any country on the continent, they all have the same mentality it must run in his blood.

    fdr used welfare in the 1930′s, he created the drug of free handouts. it didn’t help him, however, it did get him lots of votes, his social policies (nra) welfare like the wpa, people were willing to take the $30.00 a month to live, most had too. in 1940 un-employment was 19% and going downhill fast. the only thing that saved the country was ww2. we are in the same situation today except worse, barry doesn’t have the mental capabilities to understand the disaster facing the country and the communist jews in his adminstration are only concerned for their ideology, install marxism, and the democratic voters (bolshevik pawns) are following like sheep to the slaughter..

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    deer says: Jay, he has already won on the economy and foreign policy.

    Won on the economy? Really? The U.S. economy grew at a slothful 1.5% in the second quarter and way below the level needed to create new jobs.

    Despite our $16 trillion in debt and a bloated federal deficit of $1.2 trillion, Obama and the Democrats keep telling us that we need more spending and intervention in the economy for it to reach “escape velocity,” as if the economy were a rocket ship or something.

    Obama also likes to say the economy “grows from the middle out,” and that America needs “bottom-up prosperity” — two nifty little sayings that, as any economist worth his
    salt will tell you, are utterly bereft of meaning.

    Economies grow when entrepreneurs start businesses and create jobs. That’s what creates “the middle,” and also what lets “the bottom” rise up. It’s that simple.

    In the last six months, the economy has expanded at an annualized 1.7% rate — barely above the 1.4% average since Obama took office in 2009. That’s pathetic.

    The economy needs to grow 3% or more just to sop up the 130,000 new workforce entrants each month. We’ve done that in exactly two quarters since 2008.

    Looking back over postwar recessions, GDP is usually 15.1% higher at this point in a recovery than when the recession began. Under Obama, it’s up just 1.7%.

    Today, our economy is roughly $13.56 trillion in size, adjusting for inflation. If we had grown at just the median 15.1% rate, our economy would be $15.34 trillion in size — a $1.78 trillion difference.

    Won on foreign policy? Really? How so? Please elaborate.

    deer says: That you , the media that you favor and company that you keep have made a conscience and deliberate effort to ignore and plain deny it does not mean it hasn’t
    happened.

    That you, the media that you favor and the company that you keep have made a conscience and deliberate effort to lie and embellish, so as to mislead the public.

    deer says: It’s a huge hole we are trying to dig out of

    There is not even the slightest attempt by this administration to do so. You are clearly deluded, or simply enamoured to the point of stupefaction by the mere fact that a dem/prog is in office.

    deer says: While things do ! ~ still “SUCK” , they do suck less today then in 2000. While I’m by no means “pleased” , allow me to say, I’m more pleased then you are. while the GOP wants to issue every 4 men, two short handle shovels in the name of “Conservatism”

    If your starting point consists of a step falsely taken, what then can be said of your last step, deer? Your post is complete nonsense!

    • DaveH

      As usual.

    • kkflash

      I find it funny that deerinwater chose 2000, year of the dot.com crash, as the comparison year for the current Obama-led economy. Talk about setting the high-jump bar at knee level! LOL.

    • Dave67

      Well Jay…

      We do not live in a dictatorship, much to George W Bush’s disappointment when he was president.

      We have fundamentally broken our economy with the help of tax cuts while increasing spending (Thanks Ronnie), bad trade deals for the United States work force (thanks to both parties and corporatism), deregulation of the credit, banking and housing industries (thanks to both parties and corporatism)

      The last months of the Bush administration we were losing 700K jobs a month… after the Stimulus was enacted, the bleeding stopped but that does not fix the fundamental problems with the economy. The GOP thinks the answer is more tax cuts, more deregulation (the crap that got us into the mess in the first place) and cuts in entitlements… The Democrats think the answer is taxes raised on the wealthy, cuts to defense, corp welfare programs and more money to education and infrastructure and do not touch entitlements…

      The real answer is we need a mix of both approaches but trade deal review and serious regulation of the banks, wall street to prevent what they did in 1929 and now 2007… It took 30 years of voodoo economics to crash the economy… Its going to take a while for it to be fixed… Nobody, especially during this time of highly partisan BS going on in Congress could fix the fundamentals in such a short time…

      The BS needs to stop now. We already lost our credit rating due to the GOP playing politics with the debt ceiling. How much farther do we need to fall before people realize both parties need to go and the money that has poisoned the politics in this country needs to end.

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