Was The 2012 Election Stolen By Obama And The IRS?

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It is increasingly clear that the 2012 elections, both Presidential and Senate, were stolen by Barack Obama, the Democratic Party, the Internal Revenue Service and government employee unions. It’s right out of a mob movie like “The Godfather.”

The Obama crime family could give the mob lessons. Don Obama plays for keeps. The Don gets what he wants. And when he found himself in danger of losing his power and control, Obama went to his enforcers: the IRS.

In a story reminiscent of the mob’s fixing union elections, the IRS enforcers conspired to destroy Don Obama’s main competition: Tea Party and other conservative fundraising groups.

Lois Lerner was only one of many IRS big shots in D.C. who gave orders to IRS offices across the United States to “kill” Tea Party and other conservative groups. Their goal: Steal the election. As of only days ago, the “fall gal” retired from the IRS. We can only guess what kind of massive payoff she received from Obama’s donors.

The 2010 elections were the biggest embarrassment suffered by a U.S. President in modern history. The power, energy and passion of the Tea Party won the GOP an amazing 63 House seats, six Senate seats, six governorships and 680 seats in State legislatures. It was a historic landslide. Obama’s entire agenda was threatened.

Yet the mainstream media expects us to believe that only two years later (2012) that Tea Party energy and passion was gone — overnight. Or perhaps they changed back to fans of Obama and the Democratic Party. What a fairy tale.

The real story is that the Obama Administration ordered the IRS to delay, distract, hound, harass and intimidate Tea Party groups across the United States. Without IRS attacks and interference, Tea Party groups would have had the same influence and momentum as in 2010, when their raging energy and passion led to a shocking landslide defeat for Obama and his allies.

There is no need to question or debate any longer. We now have emails from IRS officials stating exactly that: The Tea Party groups had to be stopped if Democrats wanted to win the election.

And conservative donations had to be stalled if Democrats wanted to retain control of the U.S. Senate.

Instead of massive Tea Party rallies and record-setting fundraising for conservative candidates, Tea Party groups were busy being distracted, hounded, harassed and intimidated by the IRS. They were busy being asked about the names of their members, the names of their speakers, the content of their Facebook posts and even the content of their prayers.

Conservative media personalities (like yours truly) were attacked with IRS audits, as were pro-life, pro-Israel and pro-Constitution groups. The tax-deductible status of Tea Party groups was purposely stalled so they could not raise money for the 2012 election.

What the biased liberal mainstream media refuses to do is connect the dots. None has the courage to state that “the fix” was in and that a fraud perpetrated by government employees handed control of the United States of America to Obama, a politician who supports government employees and their unions.

What did the IRS get out of this? The answer is pure bribery. Republicans, and especially Tea Party groups, believe in limited government, smaller budgets, fewer government employees and cutting bloated salaries, obscene pensions and early retirement for government employees. Another Tea Party landslide would have threatened the power of government employee unions. Many government employees would have been laid off.

Does anyone believe it a coincidence that Obama met with IRS union boss Colleen Kelley at the White House the day before the targeting of Tea Party groups by the IRS began? If you do, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

Obama was fraudulently re-elected. Our country was hijacked by government employees protecting their cushy lifetime jobs, bloated salaries, obscene pensions and powerful unions.

Think I’m wrong? Evidently, IRS officials don’t. Several of them have been busy hiring famous and expensive law firms to defend them.

Where are they getting the money? Is Obama arranging for big Democratic donors like George Soros or union political funds to pay their legal bills? Is Obama scared to death of what these IRS bosses will say under oath? Could their testimony end his Presidency and destroy his legacy?

In the end, it’s clear to anyone who hasn’t been brainwashed by government schools or bribed by government checks that the 2012 election was fraudulently stolen by Obama.

What did Obama, Democrats and the IRS gain?

  1. The right to continue to loot the Treasury with bailouts, stimulus, corporate welfare and government contracts to his friends, donors, loyal media lackeys and corrupt union bosses.
  2. The right to continue to redistribute income from the business owners (who vote Republican) to Obama’s voters (the poor, unions and government employees).
  3. The ability to save Obamacare and unionize 15 million healthcare workers, thereby raising $15 billion in union dues to elect Democrats. And, of course, the ability to overwhelm middle-class families with $20,000 annual health insurance bills they can’t pay, thereby addicting them to government handouts.
  4. The IRS itself gains tremendously. They are now in charge of policing Obamacare, a huge new bureaucracy. It also adds thousands of new IRS agents, thereby greatly enriching the IRS union.
  5. The opportunity to pass immigration amnesty, thereby producing 10 million to 20 million new loyal Democratic voters.
  6. The opportunity to bankrupt business owners and permanently weaken the private sector, thereby drying up donations for conservative candidates and causes.
  7. The ability to keep American energy dependent by using the Environmental Protection Agency and executive orders to literally ban or severely damage domestic coal, oil, fracking and nuclear energy production.
  8. The opportunity to weaken American influence internationally. (See Egypt, Libya, Syria.)

Obama’s re-election also means he may serve long enough to appoint one or two more Supreme Court justices, whose radical leftist views will ensure America is permanently transformed to a big-government socialist nation.

This wasn’t just any theft, folks. It was a trillion-dollar theft. The Obama crime family (so far) has gotten away with the greatest and most daring act of fraud in world history. They stole the election.

Personal Liberty

Wayne Allyn Root

Wayne Allyn Root is one of America's leading Libertarian-conservative authors. Wayne's new book is The Murder of the Middle ClassWayne is a Capitalist Evangelist, serial entrepreneur, conservative media commentator, and proud champion of the middle class. He is a former Libertarian vice presidential nominee and Fox News regular. Follow Wayne on Twitter and visit Wayne's web site: www.ROOTforAmerica.com

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  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    Not only the 2012 Elections were stolen, but the 2008 Elections were stolen as well. And stolen twice: (1) the Democrats’ primary elections and (2) General election

    First time the Elections were stolen in the Democrats’ primary from Hillary by the widespread FRAUD, FORGERY, voters and delegates INTIMIDATION, DEATH THREATS, and alleged MURDERS perpetrated by the Kenyan Kriminal campaign. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi0AM9Udwm4

    Forgery put then Senator Obama on the ballot for the 2008 Democrat’s
    Primary In Indiana (Firsts 50 sec., 2008) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwYZrQkcLFY

    Whistleblower Anita Moncrief (the former ACORN’s Lawyer) exposes ACORN’s dirty tricks, lies, and corruption at C-PAC
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBrZ29x2Kes
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgGEqaV2bz8

    P.S. WAR, do not sale your bridge of Brooklyn. Keep it.

    • Sunshine49

      Obama only won five counties in the State of Florida, but he somehow won the state by less than 1%. The counties he supposedly won had as much as 140% that voted. That should have been a siren call to the Republicans to demand recounts. One state that Obama won had more votes than registered voters. Another siren call. But the Republicans did NOTHING except sell out the American people.

      So, now John Kerry just signed a US Arms Treaty with the UN. They plan to disarm America before they declare their dictatorship. Just watch and see. Don’t let them lie to you and say that Congress can’t do anything. They have to contest this with-in thirty days or it goes through. Watch what the Republicans do. If they don’t fight this, then we will know that they are in league with Obama!

      • liz

        Your post is right on. Not only Florida, some poll workers in small towns in other states had the same voting issues, when reporting irregularities no one listened. Buses showing up with questionable addresses on envelopes, when checked “vacant lots” or did not actually live there, friends lived there. When reported: no one listened!

        The US Arms Treaty with UN, people need to look at this, some “little” attachments will be upsetting to a lot of people, not just gun owners. This Treaty is very much in O’Bama’s best interest to go through uncontested. American people need to find out what is in it before it is too late.

      • Robert

        Yep, and if they did a “recount” it would still have been 140%!!! Just disregard the man behind the curtain……The problem is is that with Harry Reid in office, he will not vote for conviction of impeachment and it would also not look too good to impeach the “first AFRICAN-american” (notice the emphesis on AFRICAN) as that would be racist. It will never happen(Impeachment) and no charges will be brought until at least AFTER he is out of office(if he ever leaves). The only answer is to defund Obamacare, and Make sure we elect true Conservatives and a Conservative President in 2016.2014 needs to be a grand slam for TEA party candidates to make that happen. Here’s hoping!!!

      • NickCzudy

        Sunshine. I know. The UN will be coming to get your guns soon. You will have to protect yourself over your dead body.
        Those evil UNer’s. They need to be stopped. haha.
        Nick Czudy

      • http://www.rt.com Alondra

        In the 15 states with photo ID requirements for voting the Kenyan Fraud lost in ALL of them. In places with the weakest controls, specifically counties in Florida, Ohio, Colorado, and Pennsylvania, he generally drew turnouts in the 90% or greater range and won by better than 95% of the vote.

        Florida’s St. Lucie County Clown-in-chief got 247,713 votes from only 175,554 registered voters http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/11/did_obama_cheat_how_to_answer_the_question.html#ixzz2Ce1lhiGH

        Justice Dept. vs. Florida’s purge of voter rolls
        http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/america-live/index.html#/v/1674960377001/justice-dept-florida-spar-over-purge-of-voter-rolls/?playlist_id=87651

        Obama ACORN FRAUD – Who voted for the FRAUD
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFIx5dTCIzg

      • Jack

        Sunshine49:

        Why didn’t you name the State where Obama got more votes than there were registered voters or the counties in Florida where he got 140% of the vote. You didn’t name them because it never happened.

        Regarding the Arms treaty, it only becomes effective in the US if
        the Senate ratifies it. If you would comeback to reality you would know that you have a far better chance of wining a lottery jackpot than the Arms Treaty has of being ratified by the Senate.

        • Sunshine49

          Right now I’m having a “senior moment” and can’t remember the name of the one county that DID have 140% vote. The excuse given out by the voting officials was that we had ten amendments to Florida’s Constitution on the ballot and the machines somehow counted them as votes for the candidates. Ya right! I even wrote an opinion piece to our local newspaper about it that was printed.

          Allen West, who was the Republican that was beat in his district with 131% voting, tried to get a judge to get the voting machines checked, but the judge refused on some lame excuse. The judge must have been a Democrat!

          The State was a Mid-West state and I didn’t save the article that listed the votes per state. By the time the totals were all in they had already declared Obama the winner so nobody did anything.

          IF you had read the article about the arms treaty you would know that Kerry signed it even though Congress voted against it LAST YEAR. He went against what Congress ALREADY said so they must have something up their sleave to sign it anyway.

          They passed Obamacare in spite of the fact that 70% of the country didn’t want it. Now you’re trying to tell me that they’ll never gut the Constitution. What a laugh! Obama has ignored the Constitution since he took office. Why should he stop at gun control? He’ll just write another executive order and bypass Congress.

          The fact that Obama has remained in office in spite of him being a total fraud shows that the Republicans are NOT working for the people either.

          If you win the lottery the government takes over half. That you can count on!

    • Rhonda Clark

      Whites are being threated that blacks are going to kill us everday on this web site up dated daily Crimes in Chcagio 2013, blogspot.com, please help us.

      • http://www.rt.com Alondra

        The Kenyan Kriminal, eric “unjust”, Sharpton, Jackson, MSM just encourage interracial violence.

        NO one will help you, dear. Buy AR-15 and have concealed gun in ALL zones.

    • liz

      She had better find a great hiding place, she might just vanish one day, I’m sure they don’t want her revealing too much, at this point they can say “disgruntled ex-employee”.
      I wonder if anyone will be able and willing to prosecute Lois Lerner now that she has “retired” with all her benefits.

      • http://www.rt.com Alondra

        barrrrrrack hussein will award the “Liberty Medal” to her.

        eric holder will not prosecute her.
        He is suing states over the states’ voter ID redistricting laws.
        WHY it would be?

    • FreedomFighter

      I feel a gripping fear for America and Americans for what is coming if we as a people, do not take back control of our country from the psychopaths and powerful evil people now in control. The takeover is happening, evil does evil deeds in our name, the name America, to do nothing in the face of the indisputable, denies your children the freedom and liberty you have enjoyed all your life and subjects them to totalitarian slavery, war, and death.
      Laus DeoSemper FI

    • smilee

      Ah but all the counties tell a different story and they have the truth on their side not the BS you toss out, accorn does not vote individuals vote and do so secretly so accorn has never voted fraudulently, there have been registration drives that have been questionable but that does not translate into actual fraud

      • http://www.rt.com Alondra

        Brilliant one, WHY would not you provide the source to support your Bull Sh*ttic outburst.

        • smilee

          Every county in the US is the source and they all contradict the BS spouted here

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            PROVE “contradiction”, genius.

          • smilee

            Check the source and those that, have dispute a stolen election and have proven that wrong.and that is not BS and if you believe that so strongly you are free to prove me wrong but we both know that is impossible as you have no real facts, just rhetoric and BS

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            I did prove nomeros times not only that you are WRONG, but STUPID as well.

            Good luck with your DEMONcratic crapola. Talk to KG.

          • smilee

            You only believe propaganda and lies so it is impossible to educate you. You could prove it to yourself if you did honest research but your just to closed minded for that

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Educate yourself liberal, and do not change the words’ definition.

            TRUTH is not propaganda.
            Your LIES is pure PROPAGANDA.
            Keep using Alinski’s book, moron.

          • smilee

            Hey how about that you finally got something right, TRUTH is not propaganda it is lies and that is all that you believe in and that is why your thinking and conclusions are so radically skewed. It is you whom lacks education which is the absence of knowledge and that is your problem

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Hey, how about you prove you rants, brainwashed LIAR.

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    A MUST SEE, if you did not yet.
    She calls things by their right names. And the reality is, by any serious examination, this thug is a LIAR!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sorpTOyJXf8

    • KG

      Yea I ‘trust’ a tax evading, Lebanese, Divorce’ as much as I trust a two-bit Vegas Bookmaker.

      • http://www.rt.com Alondra

        R E P E N T !!!

        • KG

          I know you must be desperate to win your ‘soulwinners’ crown. But please realize that whatever ‘crown’ that Jesus finds appropriate to issue to whomever he does, we will all toss them to His feet anyway. So, in essence, it will not matter in eternity, only what we have done for each other will matter.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            LIAR,
            R E P E N T !!!

          • KG

            Matthew 24:9-13
            King James Version (KJV)
            9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake (the liberals who actually do what Christ said).
            10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another (the modern conservative christian).
            11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many (Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swagart, Hagee, Robertson, Copeland etc)
            12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold (Alondra).
            13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved (Whomsoever will)

          • http://www.comics.com Steve

            It ain’t over till it’s over.

          • KG

            It’s 90% mental, and the other half is physical.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            “You (KG or whatever your name is) are of your father the devil, and the DESIRES OF YOUR FATHER YOU WANT TO DO. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does NOT STAND IN THE TRUTH, because THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIM. When he speaks a LIE, he speaks from his own resources, for HE IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF IT.(John 8:44)

            “Be sober, be vigilant; because[c] your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. 9 Resist him, steadfast IN THE FAITH” (1Peter 5:8)

            “Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents
            and scorpions, and over the all power enemy. NOTHING shall by any means hurt you.”
            – Jesus Christ (Lk.10:19)

          • KG

            Matthew 9:3-4
            King James Version (KJV)
            3 And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth.
            4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?

            You can read my heart? Why, YOU must be JESUS!

            Matthew 24:4-5
            King James Version (KJV)
            4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
            5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

            I’m not deceived. I know a little bit about people like you.

            Matthew 12:25-28
            King James Version (KJV)
            25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
            26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
            27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
            28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

            What does G-d do to people who claim to be Christ?

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            1) “You can read my heart? Why, YOU must be JESUS!”

            I NEVER claimed I “can read” human hearts. But MY God teaches me thru His Word how to recognize the “vicious wolves” who “will DISTORT the TRUTH” (Acts 20:29-30)

            “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound DOCTRINE. Instead, to SUIT THEIR OWN DESIRES (and you daddy Devil)” (2Tim.4:3)

            “[W]ho will bring in DAMNABLE HERESY”, who will SLANDER the TEUTH and MAKE UP CLEVER LIES.

            But they are CONDEMNED long time ago, and THEIR DESTRUCTION IS ON THE WAY.” (2Pet.2:1-3)

            “[T]here are many rebellious people (you and alike), full of meaningless talk and DECEPTION … both their minds and consciences are corrupted.” (Tit.1:10-16)

            Thru the lies and distortions of the God’s TRUTH and your “favorite” band you did reveal your heart.

            2) “I’m not deceived. I know a little bit about people like you.”

            Who said you are “deceived”? I NEVER said that. On the contrary I always said that you are very aware what are you doing. And you “know a little bit about people like” me, who knows the God’s Word and exposing your lies, distortions and twists.

            3) “What does G-d do to people who claim to be Christ?”

            Who claims to be Christ? Again, this is your distortion. You are implying and blaming me for something I
            never stated and pretended.

            I do not have authority to CONDEMN you, only God does. But God gave me authority to expose your lies, which are EVIL.

            You are angry that I “KNOW THE TRUTH”, which makes me FREE. (Jn.8:31)

            KG, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never LIE. The LIE is the first step towards failure.

            R E P E N T !!!

          • KG

            Every time you call me names YOU are ‘judging’ me. The ‘deception’ was from Matthew 24:4-5. People like YOU who claim that what THEY BELIEVE is the absolute TRUTH. Every point I have made has been based on scripture. You can bellow all the insults you want, but nowhere can you deny that most of what I have pointed out has convicted YOU of your own ‘heresy’ and apostacy. Which is what Christ predicted in Mathew 24.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            1) “Every time you call me names YOU are ‘judging’ me.”

            No KG, I am confronting you.

            Please tell me: WHO is a person who lies?
            ~ A LIAR.

            Who is a person who is twisting and distorting the God’s Word by CONTEXTOMY?
            ~ A DECEIVER.

            Who is parson who is attacking and falsely accusing Christians?
            ~ ACCUSER.

            You know Scripture pretty well. So tell me to whom belong these traits: Liar, Deceiver, Accuser?
            ~ Yes, to Satan aka Devil.

            So according to you I have to put a happy face on and
            call a spade a rake just to make you to feel good.

            No dear. The Bible teaches:
            “You shall surely REBUKE your neighbor, and not bear sin because of him.” (Leviticus 19:17)

            “[H]e who regards a REBUKE will be honored.” (Proverbs 13:18)

            “The ear that hears the REBUKES of life will abide among the wise.” (Proverbs 15:31)

            “[H]e who heeds REBUKE gets understanding.” (Proverbs 15:32)

            “Do not REBUKE MOCKER or he will hate you; REBUKE a WISE man and he will love you.” (Proverbs 9:8)

            2) “People like YOU who claim that what THEY BELIEVE is the absolute TRUTH.”

            I believe in the God’s TRUTH, which is revealed in His Word. And God’s TRUTH is ABSOLUTE.

            3) “Every point I have made has been based on scripture.”

            KG, every point you have made based on the CONTEXTOMY and your naked cynicism.

            4) “You can bellow all the insults you want, but nowhere can you deny that most of what I have pointed out has convicted YOU of your own ‘heresy’ and apostasy.”

            KG, please point when I bellowed insults at you. You do not like that I call you a “liar”, “deceiver” or the “son of devil”. If I did call you by those names, that was only in response to your lies and distortions. As I said above I call things by their right names without putting a happy face on.

            And it’s me who constantly point out at your ‘heresy’ and ‘apostasy’.

            And right now you are playing from the Satan’s playbook. You are accusing me in YOUR ‘heresy’ and YOUR ‘apostasy’.

            Your problem is that you can’t have civilized discussion.

            STOP distort the Scripture and you will not hear from me a word.

            You are very bitterly angry. I told you: FORGIVE and let your anger go away. Give it to God and start new life.

            Godspeed on your journey, KG.

          • KG

            I find it interesting that all of the scripture you quoted to justify your hate in your heart came from the Old Testament. That was back when G-d was vengeful and wrathful. Listen to what Jesus had to say about that:

            Matthew 22:35-40
            King James Version (KJV)
            35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
            36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
            37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
            38 This is the first and great commandment.
            39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
            40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

            Do you believe Jesus was G-d in the flesh? Well then why be judgmental and hateful towards His other children?

            I’ll use an example from the Old Testament wich will make my point:

            1 Kings 19:18
            King James Version (KJV)
            18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.

            No body knows who those people were that G-d found fit to spare. And neither do you. That is why your judgement and condemnation is so hurtful to others. It is YOUR EGO that wants to make you seem better than everyone else.

            John 13
            King James Version (KJV)
            13 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end….

            12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
            13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
            14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another’s feet.
            15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
            16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
            17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

      • Don 2

        Speaking of tax evaders, hasn’t that been mostly a resume enhancement in the Democrat party, starting with, oh, I don’t know, how about little Timmy Geitner and Charlie Rangle?

  • Toy Pupanbai

    Have a look at : “The Truth Behind The Real IRS Scandal” (Youtube).
    The IRS operates out of Puerto Rico as a collection agency!

    • Rhonda Clark

      ps did you see 2 million Bikers go into DC , to protest Obama allowed them to protest , the muslims but said he did not want bikers , but they came anyway, NOW TRUCKERS ON THERE WAY TO DC, TAKE USA BACK!

  • Marie Asher

    We know that 0bama stole the election Twice. What are we going to do about it and how do we prevent it from happening again? One thing we have to do for certain is abolish the IRS. Please help, we must do this. Any suggestions?

    • Rhonda Clark

      yes good morning RIOT!, take to the streets in the capitial, and Impeach obama camp out , until he is out. Have a good day

      • June Maulfair

        We can’t impeach until after the next election when the Senate is no longer in control of the Democrats.

        • KG

          After the next election, there will be Democrat majorities in Both houses. Then Obama’s ‘evil’ agenda of job creation and general prosperity for all Americans can start.

          • FreedomFighter

            I don’t think even the demonrats can muster that much fraud at this point in time.
            Laus Deo
            Semper FI

          • smilee

            They will not have to as the tea party will be so in disfavor with the voters and that alone will accomplish it

          • Sunshine49

            The Dem controlled Senate has about a 13% approval rating now — maybe less. The ONLY way they can keep control is through fraud and “useful idiot” voters like you!

          • smilee

            The democrats in congress have a higher rating tha you the republicans in congress and that is more important. You do not even know how I vote so your statement is totally irrelevant as is most of wh you say

          • Nadzieja Batki

            They can, but they will be doing some major regrouping because they are being thwarted right now. Human predators never go away.

          • chocopot

            You really are delusional.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            He is a pure EVIL, satanic EVIL.

          • hippybiker

            KG forgets that his Lord and Master Obama’s party had control of both houses for the first 2 years of his miserable administration, and still couldn’t get anything done. That is because he has no idea of what he is doing. He is just like the Grasshopper in the fable who ran around and played all summer long with no regard for the future. Soon, his party time will be over, and he will face the wrath for what he has done to OUR country.

          • chocopot

            “That is because he has no idea of what he is doing.”
            Actually, the sad part is that he knows exactly what he is doing: everything he can to destroy this country – and he is succeeding.

          • smilee

            They got Obamacare done, the stimulus package done plus many others all of which you ignore

          • Barakolips

            Obamacare is not fully implemented until 2014 and its already killing jobs as predicted, also the stimulous didn’t do a damn thing for job creation either unless you want to count gov. jobs created to deal with the mass unemployment of Americans. Solyndra is just one of the stimulous boondoggles that comes to mind.

          • smilee

            What jobs, it has also created jobs that you ignore, articles reasonably say it has not.cost jobs. Stimulus prevented things from getting much worse and t had been bigger it would have created many more. We are way behind on infrastructure repair and maintenance and with prices low we could have done a lot and should of and saved money because we will do it in the not to distant future and it will cost much more.. Where have you been the states were laying off government workers driving up the unemployment figures and that was part of that massive unemployment. At any time in history you can cite examples of things going wrong but that is the exception not the normal which you try to make it. Normal has been steady forward but at a low pace and if the GOP had cooperated things would be begetter now than they are. You ignore all the success stories and there were more of them.

          • Don 2

            You’re actually bragging about the $787 billion stimulus package? What does the individual American have to show for it besides more debt and the fact that the money went down a rat hole called ‘buying union votes for Democrats.”

          • smilee

            Without it things would have been worse, most credible economists say, lRepublicans area;also buying their votes from other people they both do it so why is it worse when they are higher paid union votes.

          • Don 2

            You say,”Without it things would have been worse, most credible economist say.”

            Don’t give me that unproven, made up Democrat talking points line. By worse, if you were actually being honest, what you really mean is the Democrats might not have gotten the union votes w/o it.

            You say, “Republicans are also buying their votes from other people they both do it so why is it worse when they are higher paid union votes.” It is worse because: (1) the $787 billion Democrat slush fund was taxpayers money, (2) the $787 billion has to be paid back, (3) it was being used to buy an election, (4) The reason for needing it in the first place was a lie.

          • smilee

            You are so mixed up and you understand none of it. It is you that are spouting far right propaganda and talking points that are false and misleading. We should have repaired our infrastructure big time as that is way overdue and contractors were bidding low and interest were rates real low so we could have done it at bargain basement prices, it was the ideal time and we missed that opportunity big time because of the GOP hunker down mentality and that i s why the are fiscally conservative in name only. They are definitely not real conservative anymore.

          • Hawk!

            Well, there has been NO job creation and evil is on the loose. Not just democrats. Elite power mongers are leading the way, have bankrupted us and there is no end in sight. Let’s support the Tea Party just as much as the other parties get supported and see what happens. I promise it will be different! I wanna see general prosperity for all Americans, too. IF they work for it! Maybe your handle should be KGB……

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Cagey,What you are afraid of is that ready meals of sheep will be taken away from the human predator packs that you and your Dem/Prog/Leftist created.

          • Barakolips

            Job creation? Just having that monkey in office is a job killer in itself, and you’ve got prosperity confused with desperation, still waiting for those “shovel ready” bullcrap jobs to appear? Well your going to be waiting a long time.

          • Don 2

            How about that? KG actually admitting that he has fallen hook, line, and sinker for that “socialist utopian society” line of crap.

            The only thing that you and the rest of your clueless buddies can count on if we stay on the Obama path, is serfdom.

          • Sunshine49

            Redistribution of wealth only makes everyone equally poor. People in general are poorer now than when Obama took office. Unemployment is at Depression era levels and less people are working full time jobs then when Obama took office. Even though the price of everything (especially healthcare) keeps going up the government wants to take MORE of our money through taxes, while the average person is making LESS than when Obama took office! I don’t think the US can stand much more of Obama’s prosperity.

          • KG

            What conservatives like your self fail to realize is Mr Obama, our President, wasn’t elected in a vacuum. What America faced in the 2008 financial disaster was the result of almost 30 years of conservative policy coming to fruition. We had a taste of Republican financial policy in the 1988 S&L crisis. Despite the futile effort of H W Bush’s ‘Read my lips’ promise of no more taxes, he had to agree to some revenue increases due to the burdensome Deficit left in the wake of increased Defense spending by Reagan. It was the Iran/Contra scandal as well that help prompt American to bring in ‘Conservative’ Democrat Bill Clinton. By doing the “devastating” tax increases in 1992-3, America had the biggest era of prosperity since the 1950’s.

            Mr Obama knows what America needs to be successful. That’s why he supports organized labor. Somehow, the money has to get to the bottom or we will continue to suffer economically.

      • KG

        Your ‘Law and Order’ buddies wouldn’t like that so much. Of course, then they could use the Militarized Police force to kill all of the ‘opposition’ like Hitler did in the “night of the long knives.” But Fascist Conservatives would never do that! Right?

        • Robert

          Did Obama cut you your “troll” check to keep you “Employed”? Ya see, that is part of the skewed Employement numbers. You on his payroll. ACORN anybody??? oh, that right, ACORN is no more. So, now what do they call their Tax-exempt new community organization now????

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Cagey,
          what you are saying is that you Dems/Progs/Leftists are afraid of the same people/sheep that you created. Why did you use and abuse these people from childhood, stealing them from their families, herding them into warehouses and pumping them with Dem/Prog/Leftist propaganda. Took God of the Bible from them in churches and schools. Your ideologues made them a ready source of meals for your human predator packs.
          Poor little Cagey, afraid of human minds that he can’t manipulate.

    • dan

      Rat poison ?!

      • KG

        Why not exercise your Second Amendment ‘solution’? It’s America tradition. Don’t you believe in ‘traditional American Values’? What are you? On dope?

        • dan

          no. but apparently I have awakened one

          • KG

            Yes. To your treasonous talk.

          • Jim Read

            It is not treasonous talk if it is fact about a tyrannical government which we have on both sides of the isle!

          • yolds

            Why is it Treasonous to want to abolish the Corrupt IRS? Perhaps you too were involved with the Gov’t corruption that placed this Administration in power.

          • dan

            isn’t it seditious to sugest taking up arms against the government…I subtley parsed my comment but you seem to seek tha attention of Secret Service and the FBI…
            and Homeland Security (if they can take their hands out of travelers pants for long enough)
            I want to rid our country of the pestilance IN government
            but don’t condone violence except in self-defence…
            like when an extortionist tries to rob or imprison me.

          • KG

            With Rat Poison? That’s not ‘violent’ like being a little bit pregnant!

          • dan

            violent…ohnoes…just an allegorical device to show that the IRS was infested with vermin (wink-wink)
            besides ,we know that they only mibble at money and power

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So why are you commenting and responding? You have the choice not to come here but are you afraid that there may be unintended consequences, that you won’t get paid by your handlers. Or are you afraid that you will be considered a traitor amongst your Dems/Progs/Leftists ideologues

        • hippybiker

          “The beauty of the second amendment is that we won’t need it until they try to take it away.” Thomas Jefferson
          “Walk softly and carry a big stick.” Teddy Roosevelt

          Now, KG, try and mock the words of 2 great Americans. You little Weasel, you.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Sounds to me that you are the one that is desperate because the culture is not headed in your Dem/Prog/Leftist ideological direction. The human predators don’t like it now that they can’t make a meal out of sheep.

    • NickCzudy

      Marie. get your GOP members to actually come up with good ideas and policy to get elected. That might help them win the next election.

    • OB1KNOB

      Passing the FairTax will eliminate the IRS. Go to fairtax.org for more info.

  • vietnamvet1971

    GO Truckers shut down DC and show the Muslim in Chief you are not afraid of him and his Gestapo shock troops.

  • Rb

    And it had nothing to do with the Republican establishment shoving another John McCain like candidate down our throats despite the overwhelming fact the people did not want Romney. It had nothing to to do with a Republican Party full of elitists that likes the status quo. No it was all Obama.
    While I do believe the election was a complete fraud right down to rigged electronic voting and vote tampering. I don’t believe it was just Obama that wanted the Tea Party destroyed. Just ask Speaker Boner why all the Tea party Reps were removed ftom their committees. Just ask the Rinos who ran for the exits when the Obamacare defunding bill made it to the Senate. Just ask an entire Congress that refuses to prosecute this President or any of his minions. Obama’s fault….hardly. ,

    • 1baronrichsnot1

      You can’t be implying that the IRS attrocities didn’t occur! That the gov’t unions didn’t stump and stamp out conservatives rig voting machines, rig the count, get paid by the obama camp for rigged demonstrations, that these anarchist wasn’t hired to camp out in the street, rape and other crimes covered up. That conservative 501c4’s were ruled not lawful because of (nothing they can come up with) but unions rigged the machines… plain as the azz on a cat!!!

      • Rb

        Did you read the whole post?

        • Rb

          And no Republicans questioned the outcome. Not just a Democrat problem folks.

          • chocopot

            That has been my question all along. The Democrats have been engaging in voter registration and election fraud for 150 years. There are literally millions of voters that have been registered to vote by the Democrats who are registered illegally. Many documents exist of all the fraud committed in 2012, YET STILL the Repubs did nothing about it. My only conclusion is that they are a part of it. Anyone care to express another opinion?

          • NickCzudy

            chocopot.

            You need to send this evidence over to the feds as they have only been able to come up with less than 12 cases of fraud across the country. They need your skills at uncovering this massive fraud. It is a shame that they are so inept.
            Nick Czudy

          • chocopot

            Perhaps all the successful prosecutions around the country of ACORN and other similar groups have escaped your notice. And that is only the tip of the iceberg.

          • NickCzudy

            Chocopot.

            I am not aware of any Acorn prosecutions. What are these prececutions? Acorn was accused by some GOP as responsible for fraud in the 2012 election.

            They were closed after the 2008 election. They did not exist in the 2012 election!

            In the 2012 election, the fraud that was caught were Republican vote registrars, throwing into the garbage, any registrations that came from Democrats. Also a young girl that was instructed to only register Republican supporters. She refused to register any democrats.

            Then there was the Diebold voting machine scandal in Ohio, where if someone voted for Obama, it came up as a vote for Mitt Romney. In the last election, all of the fraud came from the GOP. Bain Capital is a major owner of Diebold.

            One lady who has Alzheimer was caught voting for her daughter as well as herself. This was not evidence of massive voter fraud. It is almost non existent.

          • chocopot

            If you wish to ignore everything that takes place around you so as to make believe none of it ever happened, you are free to do so, but then you should not be making statements like you have here. There has been massive fraud by the Democrats in major elections for decades. ACORN and other, similar organizations were created for the sole purpose of engaging in voter registration fraud – and they have been very successful at it.
            http://blogs.investors.com/capitalhill/index.php/home/35-politicsinvesting/2240-2010-a-banner-year-for-acorn-voter-fraud-prosecutions
            http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124182750646102435.html
            http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/23/the-voter-fraud-hall-of-shame-milwaukee-voter-fraud-conviction-makes-acorn%E2%80%99s-2010-total-at-least-15/
            http://www.wnd.com/2011/10/355461/
            And that is just from a few minutes of searching. Just because you and your friends in the left-wing media choose to ignore what has been going on does not change the fact that it IS going on.

          • Jack

            NickCzudy:

            Don’t forget what the President of Diebold said in 2004 about carrying the state of Ohio for Bush.

            I have checked out every claim that I have ever seen about voting fraud or irregularities that helped Obama get reelected and found every single one of them to be without merit. The overwhelming majority of these “claims” occurred in states in which there was a Republican governor, a Republican in charge of the state’s election process and Republican legislatures. Yet those people were not making claims of voter fraud.

            A couple of months ago, someone posted a letter they received about the massive voter fraud that elected Obama in 2012. I checked every claim in that posting and then posted the real “facts”. The vast majority of the “claims” were supposed to have occurred in Florida. and Ohio. There was no validity to any of the “claims”.

          • NickCzudy

            Jack, I know that all of these claims for voter fraud ,are all bull. But everyone under the Right Wing Bubble wither believe it, lock stock and barrel. (Excuse the gun parody)
            or they know it is bull and they are trying to keep the lie going inside the bubble, so that weak minded base.
            Of coarse it is only in GOP run states that there are stories of voter fraud. The Justice department investigated every claim and 99% were found to be bogus and non existent.
            In sum total among the last two elections, it is down to around 12 cases that were valid. Most of them were Republicans committing voter fraud.
            So we all know that voter fraud is a non issue.
            What we all know is that all Republican run states, where they have total and complete power, are following a RNC plan to restrict voting to prevent older people, students, ethnics, and Democrat supporters from voting so that they might be able to railroad the elections. They will do anything to get back into power.

            For example all students in college have state issued student ID with photos. What is the problem with that?
            the issue is not photo ID?

            The issue is new photo ID that has been issued by a Republican controlled voter office, where they can give Democrats a hard time and make it easy for Republicans.
            It is dishonest and criminal attempt to keep Democratic voters away from elections.
            I am sure that the Justice department will overturn all of these flagrant tactics.
            The task is to convince all of those under the Right Wing Bubble to accept the facts.
            warm regards,
            Nick Czudy

          • tesmith47

            the repubs dont talk about the subject of fraudulent voting because if there is an investigation THEY have the most to loose!!!!!

          • chocopot

            Another indoctrinated, delusional fool.

          • tesmith47

            The irony of the big GOP push for voter ID laws seems to be that when
            it comes to actual voter fraud, Republicans are often the ones who are
            most responsible. Consider the following examples of voter fraud that
            have been committed over the past few years:

            The Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) has recently closed two cases involving Strategic Allied Consulting,
            a Republican hired vendor. Although investigators found at least 11
            voter registration forms that were of questionable authenticity, no
            charges were filed due to lack of evidence. Strategic Allied Consulting
            is the subject of three ongoing cases in Florida. A FDLE spokesperson
            said that no details could be provided regarding those cases.
            Last November two Republican voters in separate states decided to prove how easy it would be to vote illegally. Both were arrested and charged with voter fraud.
            In February 2012 a jury found Indiana’s Republican secretary of state, Charlie White, guilty on six counts of voter fraud, theft, and perjury.
            Four staffers of Republican congressman Thaddeus McCotter (R-MI) were indicted last August,
            charged with submitting over 1,500 “forged and falsified” signatures in
            what the Michigan attorney general, also a Republican, called a
            “blatant” and “disgraceful” attempt to qualify the congressman for last
            year’s ballot.

          • chocopot

            And someone you think that compares to the likely MILLIONS of voters registered illegally by ACORN and other left-wing organizations, as well as the hundreds of cases already prosecuted?

      • NickCzudy

        Isn’ t it amazing that one of the voting machine companies, Diebold, that was owned by Bain Capital, managed to get rigged by those dastardly unions?
        Their power to infiltrate is truly amazing.
        Nick Czudy

        • oldladyfromwaco

          Ah, Bain Capital…and Romney. A slight conflict of interest perhaps? I’m sure you know about the company Bain sent to China….after they brought in and trained the Chinese….and took down the American flag while they were on the property.

          • NickCzudy

            Yes that is where Bain, Romney and others in the 1%, like to invest their money, In China, instead of in America.
            Yes it is a coincidence that the machine that was caught misbehaving, during the election, was indirectly owned by Romney. Interesting wasn’t it.

    • Beachtennisguy

      Millions of voters evidently stayed home rather than vote for Romney, though he would have been much better than the Marxist-jihadist jerk/liar. The Republican Establishment keeps running “moderate”/Rhino Republicans like Dole, McCain, Romney — and telling us only they can win; right up until the election, when they always lose.

      • hippybiker

        At least Romney is a natural born American. I doubt O-bozo is who he says he is.

        • oldladyfromwaco

          You know, the pendulum swings….on everything. It’s the law of the universe. Now, it has slowly moved to the question of, “Can Ted Cruz run for president?” I’m an old lady…70…and, after watching politics closely for 66 years, it still never ceases to amaze me. Neither Cruz, Obama, OR McCain was born in THIS country. They are not “natural born” citizens. BUT, the commonality is that ONE of their parents was a US citizen….as is my grandson, who was born in Japan. They are ALL US citizens.
          The question is if one not born on US soil can be a president.
          Little was said of McCain’s birth to a military father in Panama. Obama? The question will always remain, and probably so more because of the color of his skin than any other reason. Cruz? He should never be president….or even elected again….simply because he is a blooming idiot. And….I voted for the sucker thinking he would be better than his opponent. I regret that EVERY day. LOL The pendulum will swing again…and if luck is good, we’ll find a statesman to represent this state……not one who behaves as a two year old in the midst of the world’s biggest tantrum.

          • Ringgo1

            So you’ve been “…watching politics closely for 66 years…”? That would be since 1947? And you’re 70 years old, so you’ve been “watching politics” since you were 4 years old? Really? bs. (Troll)

          • Barakolips

            They lie so much they cant even keep track of them all.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Ringgo, keep in mind, he is a Liberal.
            They are in politics from the moment of their conception.

        • Beachtennisguy

          Agreed. Out of respect for the office, the nation, the Constitution, and the voters, anyone except a Marxist-jihadist jerk/liar would have quickly, gladly, and graciously provided evidence that he or she is a natural-born citizen, constitutionally eligible to occupy the White House.

          Instead, the jerk and his accomplices offer a forged birth certificate, a recycled social security number from Connecticut, a forged draft registration, unprecedented denial of access to personal records, and a derisive attack on anyone who questions the big scam.

          It’s bad enough that we have to endure this nuisance destroying our freedom and prosperity; we also have to endure the fact that he’s probably not even eligible to occupy the White House.

    • NickCzudy

      Rb,.
      They forgot to remove the two most scientific members of Congress from the Science committee. rep Paul Bron and Rep Murdock. It is truly reassuring that we have such skilled and knowledgeable members shaping the countries science.
      Nick Czudy

  • KG

    Wayne, Wayne, Wayne – or should it be Whine, Whine Whine!!! It would seem as though you attended the same journalistic school as your colleague Chip Wood? Just make up a bunch of crap and throw it on the wall to see what sticks. Citizen Kane, or the real “Slick Willy” Hearst was famous for the kind of journalism you entertain your audience with. If you don’t like reality, just change it. The sky isn’t blue, its orange. Why? Because thats what you want people to believe.

    The only presidential election in the last century that was of dubious circumstances was the Presidential Election of 2000. The Supremes were already packed for that one in spite of ten years of Democratic presidential rule. Fascist leaning judges like Scalia and Thomas were determined to get a conservative in office in spite of what the voting public would say. It was for ‘our own good.’ Now every so-called ‘Conservative’ want’s to claim that Bush was not conservative! Remember, the sky is orange!

    • FreedomFighter

      A Bible readinghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4QqaNx0yeI
      Laus DeoSemper FI

      • KG

        This guy obviously has an agenda. Why nit-pick at a couple of obscure passages when Jesus’ real enemies were exposed at the very beginning?

        Matthew 3:7-12
        King James Version (KJV)
        7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees (the rich and religious) come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
        8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
        9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father (or we are Believers): for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children (believers) unto Abraham.
        10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
        11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
        12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

        So, it’s the Rich and Religious who fear the ‘unquenchable fire’ .

        Matthew 19:21-26
        King James Version (KJV)
        21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
        22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
        23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
        24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
        25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
        26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

    • Jim Read

      You are one of the uneducated, racial socialites who voted for Obama. I believe if you educate yourself, oh I forget you demodonkeys don’t pay attention to facts.

      • Diana

        You are so right this KG person is dumb. He might as well say “Don’t tell me facts then I get confused and might have to think for myself and the government says that’s bad for me.” Tell him to dust off his brain and start using it, and to start listening to the truth instead of the lies if anyone is claiming the sky is orange it’s obummer and his administration. People like him make me sick.

        • Ron r

          So KG is dumb because he does not agree with people who would re do the election over and over until they get the results they want? People who think that the millions who voted for Obama were uneducated and uninformed ? You lost , but only because everyone else was wrong. Wow, what a concept. On that premise you guys could alter any event in history. The U.S. did not send the American Indian to reservations, they ask to go because they were uninformed voters. Take the black vote whenever a minority runs because they can’t know what their needs are they just vote their color ?

          • Don 2

            Actually, your last sentence is partially accurate. Most blacks voted for Obama because he was black, and they admit that. They may know what their needs are, but they keep falling victim to the Democrat party’s false promises to make their lives better. But we all know, that never happens because the Democrat party needs voters who need the government, and that makes it necessary for the Democratic party to keep the black man down.

          • Ron r

            I don’t know how you get the ideal that blacks voted for Obama because he was black. But I do know that thinking like that is the reason you are on this site complaining like you lost an rlection . Which you did. I assume that most blacks did not vote for Herman Cain because he was black also. But since you know how blacks think as a whole , enlighten all of us .

          • Don 2

            Obviously you need enlightening.

            First of all, you didn’t read anything from me complaining about losing the election. You’re making things up like all liberals do.

            Around 95% of blacks voted for Obama. Why do you think that was? Many who did, are now coming to grips with his failed presidency, and are publicly admitting his being black was their reason for voting for him. Racism, pure and simple.

            Herman Cain was not endorsed as a candidate by the Republican party, so how was anyone supposed to vote for him? How could you not know that?

            How can you know so little and come on this site?

          • Ron r

            It’s Saturday dude, find a life , watch football, go play some sport. My God, on Saturdays too!!!! How can you know nothing , my bad, that makes you a star on this site!!
            Try Monday…

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Twisting words in desperation, Cagey. Yours are becoming desperation rants.

    • rswallick

      the repblicans are more corrupt, no the democrates are. talked about being played by the ruling class. hahahaha. the only way to beat the beast is to become self-relient. get to know your neighbors, grow some food, store up some food, buy locally, learn what edible plants grow all around you.

  • Warrior

    Why right here in ill-annoy, little barry won two counties and lost 99! and he still won the “popular” vote. See, there was a reason why the “framers” wanted “land owners” to have the “vote”. ID’s anyone?

  • Warrior

    Why right here in ill-annoy, little barry won two counties and lost 99! and he still won the “popular” vote. See, there was a reason why the “framers” wanted “land owners” to have the “vote”. ID’s anyone?

  • FreedomFighter

    “Obama was fraudulently re-elected. Our country was hijacked by government employees protecting their cushy lifetime jobs, bloated salaries, obscene pensions and powerful unions.”
    In our modern world “the evil” has permeated society, creeping into everyone’s lives, reshaping society, powerful men, women whom worship satanic forces are in places of control, power and influence. The morally weak, psychopathic and evil are easily controlled with minimal leverage and don’t care whom they hurt or injure as long as “they” protect themselves.
    This is what happens when evil gains power and control in high government office, the morally weak and psychopathic are follow their orders without question and the rest cower in fear.Isaiah 30:15
    Laus DeoSemper FI

    • KG

      WOW! Sounds like the Republican convention!

      “…when morality goes up, Morale goes down!”
      -Gen George S Patton
      America Hero
      True ‘Christian’

      • FreedomFighter

        Patton Speech narrated by Ronald Reagan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLTUrbtCe-c
        You continue to disappoint, do you have nothing of value to say? You slander greatness as you dwell in obscurity.
        Laus DeoSemper FI

      • Barakolips

        I would never count on you in any battle to watch my back, yellow bellied liberals could only be counted on to clean the latrines in a time of war unless of course someone needed a runner for something, you people are great at running away from danger. And don’t try to tell me you served in the military, unless you served in the Salvation Army!

  • wavesofgrain

    This is devastating. And it also seems this has been years in the making, with certain Repubs and Sup Court Justices ‘jumping ship’. It seems they have been “bought off” one by one.

    Check the Vatican Bank for the bloated billion dollar accounts…

  • Jim Read

    It is unfortunate the majority of voters who elected Obama not once but twice did so on uneducated, racial and social agendas. Learning who Obama is was easy. They wanted to be “part” of history. The “hopey changey” thing worked on way too many because the elephacans had failed so drastically. As a now famous woman who has somehow been silenced over the last year once asked, “How is that hopey changey thing working for ya”? The elephacans put the wrong person as presidential candidate and then selected the wrong person as his running mate. Don’t get me wrong, I do believe Palin is a very bright woman and I believe she would have done an amazing job but she did not have the media experience to go global. Remember Dan Quail, the media chewed him up spit him out and then chewed on him some more, accused him of not knowing how to spell potatoe when they didn’t know the proper spelling of it themselves. Bush wasn’t a good orator either and that is where the elephacans are missing the complete target, not just the bullseye. They need to select a person who is a good orator, not a current politician, who can connect with the people and can be genuine and a leader and a STATESMAN. That my friends is where the American politics has lost it, no one is a statesman much less knows how to be and I’m not sure even know what a statesman is, it is about power.

    • Robert

      I have always voted on the Republican ticket and considered myself a republican. I am still registered as a repub., but I am NOT a repub anymore. I consider myself a TEA party Independent CONSERVATIVE. And as such, will vote that way. I never felt Ron Paul had a chance to win with the 2 party system we have in todays politics. I liked everything Ron Paul said UNTIL he said IRAN had a right to develope Nukes. That lost it for me. But except for that disagreement, Ron had it right. So, keeping with my core values, which I feel the Federal Gooberment has WAY overstepped its authority in EVERY manner, I will choose a CONSERVATIVE such as RAND Paul, someone whom will stand up and fight for LESS gooberment and uphold MY values and standards. Hope many others will take the time to really think about the role of the Federal gooberment. Since when does a federal agency SUE a state for trying to enforce legal LAWS such as voter registration (I.D.s)or immigration? Isn’t it funny how our President fights to allow the law to be broken? (against common sense).

    • Ron r

      Enlighten me as to how millions of voters could be uninformed voters. Unless you think that minority voters voted for Obama because he was taller than Macain. Palin was and always will be unfit for national office. She quit as governor.

      • Barakolips

        Minority voters voted for Obama because hes black, and Palin was hounded out of office by the lame stream media and attacked on all fronts even about her daughter getting pregnant. So it was more like misinformed voters, or dumbed down voters who voted for Obama, and that includes YOU!

        • Ron r

          Yeah because only regressive minority voters are able to distinguish between voting the issues and voting the color line. Now as to you and the so called high information voter. You would think with the 24/7 media in play and sites like thus one giving out “hi value information ” Obama should have never been elected because both times he should have been beaten in both the popular and electoral college . Funny , he wasn’t . Talk about low information voter. Oh my bad you are in denial.

  • 4lifeandfreedom

    The 2008 election was based upon fraud, also, but too many submitted to the rhetoric, pearly-white smile, and hope and change coming from the fraudulent candidate. He is in office, only because God has allowed him to be at this time, showing Americans exactly what the next step is, but knowing that many will still be fooled. His background was so veiled that we still do not have access to where he really got his so-called degrees or to whether or not he is a United States natural born citizen. My vote says no, he is not, but then I am just another
    conservative voter with common sense.
    The Pied Piper of Washington, D.C. is on the loose, and he has a followers who are willing to sell their souls–the devil is counting on this!

    • Ron r

      Explain the fraud? Who , what , where , and how.

      • Larry

        Explain all you know about Obama’s life (and his wife) prior to his election to the senate in Illinois.

        • Ron r

          Explain all you know about Romney, his wife,Ron Paul and the Paul family for that matter.whats your point because if you are a birther, you can end it here and now. There is no improving a birther lie.

  • Mike

    The election was stolen? I’m shocked, shocked I tell ya. Shocked that anyone would think that is newsworthy. All elections are now stolen before we are even given a choice between NWO candidate A and B that TPTB selected for us. Then we get to have our votes counted in secret by computers. Hello!

    • Daniel F. Melton

      Does the term “least unacceptable” come to mind?

    • mark

      Exactly, all elections ARE fixed! You’re absolutely right, Mike. How does anyone think that a fraud like Ronald Reagan or Ted Cruz in Texas ever got elected? Please. Their elections were fixed just like all of them are in the U.S. … Oh, no sorry, I forgot, they were conservative Republicans. Their elections were all legit. Only elections where Democrats win are fixed. OK, now I get it. I forgot this was the party line. Thank you for enlightening me, comrade.

      • Dennis Patrick

        You got it, Mark! Have some of the kool-aid so you can keep these fairy tales straight.

      • rwm44

        and when a republican wins the white house all you silly little liberals will cry and whine and ask for impeachment so long and loud and say the election was rigged I can hear you now. and dont even get on the hitlery bus she will be way to old according to liberals, dont forget she will be older than John Mccain was when he ran

        • oldladyfromwaco

          It’s going to be a long, long time before a republican sits in the white house again. It won’t be because they were defeated by the dems……but because they, themselves, have orchestrated the most perfect episode of self-destruction seen in any society since the dawn of civilization. I grew up republican in Texas in a time when there were NO republicans….only yellow dog democrats. How times change. How stupid can any one group of people be? The republican party is the prime example. This extremism has been orchestrated by the Tea Party….REALLY the KOCH BROTHERS…..whose only concern is turning back the clock forty or fifty years…and joining the Rockefellers, Zionists, Rothschilds, etc. in world domination and total subjugation of humanity.

          • Barakolips

            You grew up a Republican in Texas, I think not, in fact I think your a liar!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            If she was a Republican in TX, she would most likely convert to Libertarian. Oldladyfromwaco sounds like she always was a Leftist.

          • Mike

            How the heck did a thread that I started by pointing out the lack of choice turn into an argument about R’s Vs. D’s and conservatives vs. liberals. I am totally done playing their game…I have much better things to do.

            “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” Albert Einstein

          • Ringgo1

            Such a boring troll you are…

        • oldladyfromwaco

          It’s going to be a long, long time before a republican sits in the white house again. It won’t be because they were defeated by the dems……but because they, themselves, have orchestrated the most perfect episode of self-destruction seen in any society since the dawn of civilization. I grew up republican in Texas in a time when there were NO republicans….only yellow dog democrats. How times change. How stupid can any one group of people be? The republican party is the prime example. This extremism has been orchestrated by the Tea Party….REALLY the KOCH BROTHERS…..whose only concern is turning back the clock forty or fifty years…and joining the Rockefellers, Zionists, Rothschilds, etc. in world domination and total subjugation of humanity.

      • oldladyfromwaco

        Ted Cruz is a disgrace to the state of Texas…..and this country. I cannot wait until the next election. Any thinking Texan would vote for a dead dog before returning this “little Caesar” to Washington.

        • Barakolips

          Any thinking Texan? That rules you out, let me guess , your from Austin ?

          • Ringgo1

            I think you’ve got “her” number. Part of the “Keep Austin Weird” crowd. Earlier she claimed she was 70 years old and had been “watching politics” for 66 years. (That would be since 1947, when “she” was 4 years old.)

        • Ringgo1

          Trolling, trolling…

        • Don 2

          Ted Cruz for President. One of the few politicians who is actually doing what the voters elected him to do.

  • oldladyfromwaco

    Well, why don’t we go back to JFK…and then, forward a little to Bush, and the awarding of the presidency by the not so supreme court to him. It is all a farce, promulgated by the Zionist bankers in “The Crown”, the 644 acre city within the city of London….who also owns the Bank of International Settlements, the International Monetary Fund, and…..surprise……the Federal Reserves. It is difficult for society to realize that trust placed in high places, though at one time reasonable to a degree, can no longer be relied on. The irony is the world has been convinced…..facilitated entirely by religion…..to protect at all costs the country of Israel, never considering their own part and instigation, such as is now occurring in Syria, and is part and parcel of the Zionist plan to bring about Armageddon and world domination to their race. It matters not who is president. He does what he’s told. All that DOES matter is we get rid of the Fed, set up our own banking system, and free ourselves of Zionist control facilitating their plans. Also….we need the return of FCC regs on media ownership….and to avoid any more 2008’s….let’s bring back the Banking Act of 1933….bills now in the house and senate. Let’s take our country back……and begin a revolution around the world for freedom from financial terrorism.

    • Ringgo1

      Your anti-Semitism wins you no points here, abdullah. troll.

  • Michael Shreve

    Election FRAUD is a science that the Democrat, liberal, progressive, communists have mastered. Communism has been SUBVERTING governments for over a century and has become VERY good at it. We have only to actually LOOK at the history of U.S. Government to see haw it has crept into ALL facets of our bureaucracy, educational system and media. The PROBLEM is that WE THE PEOPLE are too indoctrinated to resist or, in most cases, even CARE.

    • Ron r

      Amazing they have kept it hidden from all but the few on this site. Amazing I tell ya!

  • Ron r

    So WAR , someone must have taken your votes in 2008. Oh, my bad no one voted for you. Now it comes to 2012. Ok prove the election was stolen and take measures to correct the fraud you say took place. Now don’t give me the excuse that the Obama machine will persecute you for doing so. You call yourself a patriot and you should be willing to stand up to the pressure no matter the cost. You have the means to do this . You have Fox “News” and you ran for Vice President ( you lost of course) come to the forefront on this , take your proof to the masses. Step up with your facts (???)out up or go back on the daily show. They can use your clown act.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Why do your rants all sound like the snarling of a predator when it’s not going to get its prey?

      • Daniel F. Melton

        More like a scavenger chased off a gut pile.

      • Ron r

        Go play !!

  • NickCzudy

    Wayne Allyn. thank you, thank you, thank you!. As I listened to your shocking discovery, i almost choked on my coffee.
    As usual, you put a smile on my face.
    You truly are amazing. Since you have this proof that the IRS was intimidating the poor tea party, I would suggest that you send all of your evidence over to Daryl Issa. He has been trying to find this evidence for the last year, using the full power of his judicial review.
    He desperately needs your earth shattering evidence to make his case that there was a massive conspiracy against the poor Republicans. So far his witch hunt has not been able to come up with a single shred of evidence of any “Conspiracy”

    You truly are amazing. This is the evidence that he needs to be able to stop the Hillary onslaught that will mow over the GOP attempt in the next election.
    Never mind how many GOP ruled states are trying to rig the election, by enacting laws to prevent the poor, the old, students and democrats from voting in future elections. Maybe where you cannot win, by having good ideas and sound platforms to offer Americans you will be able to win, by rigging the elections. If that does not work, you can also Gerrymander the districts to ensure that Republicans will always form a majority where they do not have the majority of the public’s votes.
    Never mind that the Tea Party candidates lost their elections because of their warped agenda and comments. Let me give a short list of your awesome candidates that did not win.
    Evolution and embryology come straight from the gates of hell.
    I am not a witch!
    When a woman is raped there is a biological process that will prevent then from getting pregnant.
    A woman getting pregnant is God’s will.
    Green Eggs and Ham.
    There are 96 members of the Democratic party that are card carrying Communists.
    I can see Russia from my living room.
    Obama is a Kenyan

    It is such a shame that such a truly outstanding crop of Tea Party candidates have not been able to convince Americans that their vision and philosophy are exactly what Americans need in this time of economic
    It is such a shame.
    As usual I give my warmest regards.
    Nick Czudy

    • Don 2

      [comment has been edited], “I can see Russia from my living room” was a comedy skit said by Tina Fay on SNL. What was she a candidate for?

      • janna

        don 2
        please be so kind as to get yourself properly informed
        those words were spoken by the bulldog with lipstick

        • Don 2

          Wrong janna. Nick admitted that he lied. See his posting. You are the one who is uninformed. Please be so kind as to keep watching whatever it is that you are watching, and stay uninformed forever.

          The only bulldog that I can think of wears a pant suit and recently left the State Department. Who let the dog out….woof, woof?

      • NickCzudy

        Hi Don-2. You would not be name calling are you?

        Yes Tina Fey said that on Saturday Night live. It came from Sarah Palins interview that I will include the link here.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXL86v8NoGk

        What she said was that “You can actually see Russia from land land here in Alaska.”
        The point is that she is a twit and dumb and would have never been a good leader at the top spot in America.
        Is this the kind of Tea Party candidates that you think should be elected to our government?
        Nick Czudy

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Why does that statement — “You can actually see Russia from land land here in Alaska” — make her a “twit and dumb”, Nick?
          It is a true statement. You would know that if you broke away from the Liberal Propaganda Media long enough to do some research:
          http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/30/you-can-see-russia-from-here/

          By the way, why all the vicious attacks on Sarah? I thought the Progressives were all about Women’s Rights and women in high places?

          • NickCzudy

            Hello DaveH.

            Nice to hear from you again.
            What makes her a twit is that she was asked what experience does she have for international politics. Her answer was that she could see Russia and Alaska was so close to Russia. To her that answer gave her the skills and knowledge to handle international Geo-politics. . It was obvious that she knew nothing about international affairs. Now, if they asked her what was the best gun for moose hunting, she would have scored an A+. But this is just one example of statements that she has made that are equally inept.

            She is an extreme right wing politician and she is great for moving and exciting the tea party. But that is all. Her current run for a senator seat will be very interesting. I do not think that she can win.
            A twit is a twit, being male or female, does not exempt her from criticism. Politics is a contact sport. She is not alone though, she is joined my Ted Cruz, Loue Gomertz, Paul Bron, and long cast of supporting actors that should not be in government.
            This is my opinion from watching and listening to the news and speeches of these characters.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Well you got me there, Nick. Obama knows much more about the Muslim Nations than Sarah.
            But then, he doesn’t know much at all about the US:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

            There is only one thing a Politician needs to know about International Affairs — Butt the hell out!

        • Vis Fac

          Nick are you that stupid apparently so the fact is you can see Russia from Alaska across the Bering Sea the distance is less than one KM in winter you could traverse it on foot when it has frozen over want to see for yourself? follow the link. https://maps.google.com/maps?q=map+of+the+bering+sea&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x56e200063412200f:0x69c8e848b19b2e50,Bering+Sea&gl=us&ei=rHBEUvT_FIfpigLD6oGoBg&ved=0CDEQ8gEwAA

          Now don’t you feel STUPID? That was a inane remark on my part of course not you’re too STUPID to feel STUPID
          You wouldn’t be able to comprehend anyone with an IQ higher than algae let alone know who would be qualified for “the top spot in America”

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

        • Don 2

          Hi Nick,

          Is D-bag name calling?

          So, you admit that you are an obvious liar. Very good!

          You asked, “Is this(Sarah Palin) the kind of Tea Party candidates that I think should be elected to our government? Answer: You betcha pal, particularly compared to the likes of Obama, Biden, Reid, Pelosi, Jackson Jr., Jackson Lee and Clinton.

      • KG
        • rwm44

          what an ass you are how many of those pictures were photoshopped once again a liberal said it so it must be true

          • Ron r

            Yeah she was in New York looking for a 6 fr 9 power forward from Mich. otherwise known as baby’s daddy.

          • Don 2

            As opposed to AC/DC Hillary who could be looking for “whatever?”

          • KG

            This string could be nominated for an Emmy if you could write it down and give it to NBC or something, High Comedy!!!!

          • Don 2

            Sometimes your sense of humor shows through KG. No one is going to change anyone else’s mind anyway, so you might as well get a chuckle out of it. When the system collapses, then you’ll see minds changed, but it won’t matter.

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra
          • rwm44

            please state when posting such scary pictures the one of moochelle will cause me to have nightmares

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Use an Escape Sleep Mask during the night.
            Next time I’m going to issue a warning.

          • rwm44

            not a racist just dont like the type of person she is. it would not matter to me if she was green with purple polka dots’.
            see how how quick the unknowing is to use that label on someone they do not know. now crawl back under your rock

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Sorry, I had your post under “janna” name. I edited It.

          • Guest

            Do not be angry. I appoligized. As I said your comment was under “janna” name. I hope you liked barry’s sexy look.

          • Ron r

            Personal insult removed

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Prove I am a slut. “Holding also” what, DERANGED
            Ronny?

          • Ron r

            Personal insult removed

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Ronny, check with PSYCHIATRIST.

          • Ron r

            And you still need to prove you’re not. Alonny !!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep talking Libtard, but do not miss PSYCHIATRIST.

          • Ron r

            personal insult removed

          • Guest

            Ronny, you are vulgar STUPID as any deranged Alinskite. Keep spewing your Libtardic poison. You are hopelessly STUPID. And it’s F O R E V E R.

          • Ron r

            Thanks Luny , now go play with the other kids.

          • Guest

            You are very welcome Ronny, but anyway, do not miss
            your appointment to the PSYCHIATRIST.

          • Ron r

            Take your meds and stop holding Luny.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep deluding, darling.

          • Guest

            I am playing in exposing HOAX like you, who is dumber than a log for the fire.

          • Ron r

            Take your meds Luny.

          • Guest

            Keep deluding, honey.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Not me, but you one who needs to prove, coward.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Ron r

            You are in serious violation of the comment policy.

            Bob

          • Ron r

            My bad Bob I did not know that the First Lady could be called or referred to as a s/// but the poster could not.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Ron r,

            Now you do. I also note you are apparently okay with a former VP candidate being called an “escort girl?”

            Bob

          • Ron r

            Apparently you also have no problem with the post . You have not deleted it.

            Ron

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Ron r,

            See the comment policy.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Ron r

            Dear Bob, no thanks I’m watching football.

            Best wishes

            Ronr

        • Vis Fac

          КГБ или Komitet ГОСУДАРСТВЕННОЙ БЕЗОПАСНОСТИ это мертвая организация как мозг КГБ.Remails продолжать, чтобы попытаться создать хаос на подавление истины и распространяющихся лжи. КГБ способен только основные задачи едят дерьмо и повторяя же

          KGB or Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti is a dead organization as is KGB’s brain. The remails continue to try and create havoc by the supression of truth and propagating lies the rest is private to KGB

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

        • Don 2

          With all those good looks, it’s obvious that Sarah is not a Democrat. Now Hillary, she looks like a Democrat.

    • rwm44

      when obozo went on his 100,000,000 dollar vacation to his homeland .why was he so insistant on having all his fellow tribesman needing to be forced into having a national ID before being alowed to vote .but in the US noone needs an id to vote well not everyone in my home state we need in id

      • NickCzudy

        When did that happen. Sounds like a typical GOP rant. what is the actual truth on this issue? I never heard anything about that.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Nick says — “I can see Russia from my living room”.
      What Sarah Palin really said:
      http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&fr=crmas&p=sarah+palin+I+can+see+russia
      Obama’s Kenyan connection:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6eVVVKFHu0
      Obama and the Kenyan Mall bombing:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX44A4TkNS8

      How can you tell when a Liberal Progressive is lying? Their lips are moving.

  • smilee

    There are thousands of precincts in the US and the local precincts count the ballots and send them to the county who then sends the count to the state. To believe this BS you would have to believe they could control all these precincts that are closely watched by both parties and this task would be an impossible one. No one can steal an election in this country and no real evidence has been found to say other wise. Yes stories are out there and are almost all false as they cannot be proven and are as ridiculous as they sound . in the 2008 recount in MN between Frankin and Colman the difference was some 370 vote spread and this election was probably the most scrutinized election in US history and only 89 cases of individual fraud were convucted and if you gave all those votes to Colman he would have still lost. Both parties involved in t he recount said just that even though there are still rumors of wide spread fraud and that it was stolen absolutely no evidence is there to support that and no real evidence here either. Only one on the board was known to be a democrat too.Obama did not steal this election and only a fool would believe that given the real facts.not this baloney.

    • Adolf Schmidt

      There is more than one way to skin a cat! The fact of the IRS freezing paper work that would give any of Obama’s opposition the tax free status his own party had could have played a pretty big part! Makes a person wonder also, this administration bought around 4 billion rounds of ammunition and quite a few deceased votes! They have also had drills on a zombie apocalypse by our government! I have to admit, the Democrats have worked harder gathering votes! Now they have to deal with the ones that won’t stay dead!

      • smilee

        Your talking about campaign shenanigans of which both parties are guilty and has been around since the Jefferson-Adams campaign. Voter fraud is rare and controlled by the precinct and county in each county so it would be humanly impossible to control the outcomes of enough to steal an election. Only individuals vote and in secret so how do you control the millions of individuals that voted. Voter fraud is only those who voted that were not by law legal to vote and if caught go to jail. Not many risk that just to vote. Democrats did work harder and smarter too and that and the majority wanting them is why they won and not by theft of any kind which all your losers wish to spout because you are such sore losers

        • Adolf Schmidt

          When you have a illegal road block to slow or eliminate your adversary’s progress, it does have a impact! They are still trying to eliminate the “dead vote” and figure how many have voted!

          • smilee

            RHETORIC!! Your a sucker for it!!

          • Adolf Schmidt

            You must be a entitlement junkie who would sell their pride and soul for a handout!

          • smilee

            YOU STRUCK OUT!! NO NO I am far to rich to be eligible for any handouts,

          • Adolf Schmidt

            Well, if you do it for pay that makes you a prostitute! If you do it for free, that makes yo a wh#$%!

          • smilee

            I’m retired have been for ten years, SS + Union Pension,+ Rental income & investment income are my only incomes so you struck out again, dream on sucker!!

          • Adolf Schmidt

            I may be a dreamer, but I’m not the only one. Seems like after this long, you might have gained a little smarts! Easy come, easy go! Good luck being” far too rich” ! It won’t last long with the horse your betting on!

          • smilee

            It was never easy come as I worked my butt off for 45 years and I’m not worried about this horse as you called him just his enemies whom would destroy this country if they got enough power to do so but lacking that they are trying to do that through blackmail which will not work and might destroy the power they now have and I’m praying for that to happen and that comes from the accumulated wisdom after this long. I know better than to believe your BS.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            He is BOTH.

    • Daniel F. Melton

      I call [expletive deleted] on your numbers from the coleman-franken election.
      As of 8/8/12 there were 243 people have already been convicted or are awaiting trial on voter fraud. With the laws as they are, many will escape prosecution due to the statute of limitations (2 years). Then there’s the votes “found” in trunks of cars and closets with no chain of custody. Then there’s the inclusion of 12000 rejected mail-in ballots. Why? That’s not counting published exposures like the Red Lake inpatient mental health fraud, where mentally incompetent patients were bussed to the polls, registered, coached, and directed to add their votes by staff members.

      • smilee

        No ballots where found in the trunk of the car or closet that was later traced to rumors started by the GOP and not factually supported and those republicans whom were personally involved with the recount dispute your claims and there were more republicans involved in the recount than democrats. This was as fair an election as is humanly possible and all involved said so so can your BS as it simply is not true.

    • Vis Fac

      Apparently you have yet to fully comprehend the digital era. We CAN have such a self monitoring system with complete anonymity I describes such a system above. Your one dimensional thinking limits you and all your liberal friends comprehension skills to the level of single celled organisms.

      To you and your ilk nothing exists outside the government or the media if it isn’t covered it doesn’t exist right?

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

      • smilee

        I’m OK with digital if there is a hard copy as backup to verify in case there is a glitch in the digital and it is a long way from being fully trusted yet. So the experts tell us. Second sentence is just more of your BS and totally false which is so typical of you.

  • Bentrim

    Very interesting is the fact you need a photo ID to visit the doctor, cash a check at the bank, to get you drivers license renewed and other seemingly non issue uses. But why not such an important issue as voting?? This fact allows many illegal votes to be cast by those that want to cheat. Surprising how many dead people vote. And those that never went to the pole. Or pets that voted. Or illegals. How many voted twice or more. We NEED photo IDs. to help stop this fraud.

    There should be a national database of registered voters to prevent multiple votes as got past in the last election. ( Absentee in other states and then vote in your home states). Of course if we were Australia every one is registered and you will be fined if you don’t vote.
    What about the poles where voters were not allowed to vote and were 100% democratic votes? And those that reported over 100% of registered voters had voted?
    AND you say the election wasn’t stolen!!!!

    With all the freebies now being passed out to the NON working and taken from the working the working will soon be also the NON working. Then we can ALL have a free ride, the government can support us all while we all do nothing!!!!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      A national database of registered voters would just give the Federal Government even more Power than it already has.
      We have the technology right now to make the voting process both robust and transparent, but the Leaders certainly aren’t going to implement it voluntarily. It is up to We the People to convince them that it needs to be done. Here is just a preliminary sketch of how it could be accomplished:
      We could have two databases for each election. One database would store the ‘voter information’ (Identification, address, polling place, etc.). And the other database would store the ‘votes cast’ with a unique alphanumeric ID which would be given to each voter at the polling place. The polling place would also be stored on this database to identify problem polling places. Only the voter would know his alphanumeric ID so secrecy would be preserved. And the voter would be given a printout to verify how he/she voted. The database would be accessible by the public. Anyone or any organization could check the ‘voter information’ database to see if any illegal voters cast votes. The votes in the ‘votes cast’ database could be easily tallied by anyone to see if votes were counted correctly and that the number of votes matched the number of voters in the ‘voter information’ database. Also, an individual voter would be able to check his alphanumeric ID to see that his votes are in the database correctly, and if not, he/she could notify the proper authorities or the proper news media. The ‘votes cast’ database could be corrected periodically to account for any corrections that were made by citizens claiming their votes were not entered correctly, or votes discovered to be made by dead people, convicts, etc.
      This kind of system would be much cheaper and more accountable than anything I’ve seen yet.

      • smilee

        You cannot have both transparency and secret ballots without everyone knowing how you voted.. You are just replacing one system with another and one is not better than the other just different.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          I just described how we could have both, Sleepee. You just need to bone up on your English comprehension skills.

          • smilee

            We do not need both

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            We? Speak for yourself, Sleepee.

        • Vis Fac

          You most certainly can as it has been done for decades. Now crawl back under your rock

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            No one knows how you voted and if you told them we would have to take your word for it because it is not transparent.

      • Vis Fac

        A voter ID or coded system can be used without compromising the individuals information or how he/she voted . When voters register they could be randomly assigned a code card without name of ID only a code.
        Such a system would automatically void the card if it had been previously been used at another precinct or location.
        Example: if I had voted then tried to vote again or gave my card to someone else so they could vote the system could recognize this code was used to vote so it couldn’t be used to vote again in that election (one person one vote) Again no names or ID just the authorization to vote.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          I’m talking about not giving the Federal Government further control over the States, Force. The IDs should be issued by the States, not the Federal Government.
          If you read the system I suggested and think about it, duplicate votes would be nearly impossible.

    • Merle Dickey

      That would completely shut us down real quick wouldn’t it?

      • Bentrim

        Please explain –registration? ID? or having welfare recipients work?

    • smilee

      Voter picture ID only shows it is you (if it is not a fraudulent one) not if you are legal to vote. Signing an affidavit saying you are legal to vote holds you responsible if you are not. Picture ID is just another hoop to jump through (like poll taxes) that discourage some legal voters from voting and that is the goal of the promoters and would not eliminate any fraud. What we have now works good and picture ID would not improve that but would make it worse.. Voting is a constitutional right. The uses that you cite are not government imposed but business imposed and have are very different than voting rights and cannot be compared..

    • Ron r

      Never needed photo ID to see my doctor , just insurance card.

  • davidsunkle

    ‘YES’ THE ELECTION (WERE) (FIXED & RIGGED). ROMNEY SHOULD HAVE ‘WON’ THERE WERE SOME ‘STATES’ WHERE ‘ROMNEY’ RECEIVED (“0=NADA”) VOTES.. IMPOSSIBLE AT THE LEAST / AND / WORSE. THERE IS NO WAY TO TELL (HOW MANY DEAD & ILLEGAL’s VOTED) NOW HE IS TRYING TO MAKE HIM=SELF ‘PERMINATE.??? WRONG.!!!

    • Ron r

      Surely you can’t be serious????

      • KG

        I am serious…..and don’t call me Shirley!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A5t5_O8hdA

        • Vis Fac

          Don’t worry KGB we know what to call you and you won’t like what it is!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • KG

            Ahhh… more ‘christian’ love.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Actually it is.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            KG, you’re changing the definition of the word again.
            Political correctness is not “love”.
            To love means to be truthful, and you do not like the TRUTH.

          • Vis Fac

            That’s why it went unsaid I love you man not your politics. I would never wish harm on anyone jut a wake up call!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • KG

            I’m hip to your scene, Straight Cat!
            Peace, Bro!

    • Chris Burks

      Romney’s camp cheated Ron Paul terribly. Romney was NEVER going to be president.

      • Ron r

        Neither was Paul.

    • Vis Fac

      My deceased father voted twice for ODUMBO after mysteriously voting Republican for years. Nope no voter fraud here!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

  • mark

    The IRS fixed the election! They sent letters out to all 200 million eligible voters threatening to audit them if they didn’t vote for Obama. I know, I got mine! Another ludicrous conspiracy theory from Mr. Root with zero proof or evidence. But I’m sure all the conservative and libertarian lemmings will lap it all up without question. This will give them something new to fixate on now that Benghazi and Fast and Furious have fizzled.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Wayne stated no such thing, mark. Obviously you didn’t read the article.

    • smilee

      I never received one, if it existed it was probably mailed out by GOP supporters.

      • Vis Fac

        The fact you didn’t receive one means it never existed, the rest is moot.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • smilee

          Never said it did not eist, can not you read??

    • Vis Fac

      Still more prevarications from the liberal camp. As the old saying goes if you can’t dazzle em with brilliance baffle em with BS we all know there is plenty of BS in the liberal camp.

      I find it comical that you espouse to a conspiracy theory and denounce Mr. Root “with zero proof” YET it is perfectly fine for you and your party to BLATANTLY do the same but to a higher degree Can you say HYPOCRISY?? I guess not for liberals are incapable of being hypocritic. Just as they are capable of rationality responsibility or financial competency not to mention liberals averse feelings toward the media.

      Time for a reality check Mark you are in dire need of one.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

    • friday51

      did you report it to anyone? news agencies, a lawyer???

  • Linda

    If President Obama stole the election and 2012, what about George Bush, with all of the hanging chad in Florida. We are all Americans and this is our country and no matter what part we are head for a very rough path a head. This Nation will begin to suffer like it has never since the beginning of time. Remember a Nation is destroy within before it is destroy without, and we are doing a good job of that.

    • Briylaln

      The hanging chhds was noting except to fil the pockets of lawyers. We have voted that way for a long tme with no problems until the Dems decided to shake it up, and then not wanting complete recounts, but only in particular areas. This was nothing but BS. As far as electronic voting, if you can hack an I-phone or a baby monitor, you sure as hell can hack a voting machine. Lots of people saying they voted for Romney but Obamas name came up. Never heard one time the other way around.

      • Merle Dickey

        Romney was leading by quit a bit in our state but yet Obama won. A lot of mouths were hanging open! But we also had a large influx of illegals appear at that same time!

    • chocopot

      The election in 2000 was a very obvious attempt by Al Gore to steal an election he had clearly lost. He kept asking for recounts in counties that had already been recounted – and that he had still lost. He tried to disqualify 15,000 absentee military votes on no basis whatsoever but that he knew they were almost certainly mostly for Bush. The laws in Florida are quite clear that election results must be reported within one week no matter what, but Gore kept asking for more and more recounts, so after two weeks of this the authorities in Florida sent the matter to the Supreme Court, which told Gore that he could not ask for any more delays just because he was unhappy with how it turned out. The bottom line is that Al Gore TRIED to steal an election he knew he had lost, but was thwarted in his attempt. It was only afterward that the myth of Bush stealing the election with the connivance of the Courts was created and circulated by the left-wing media. If you do not believe that, go on the internet and look at the newspaper accounts published during the time all of this nonsense with the recounts was going on.

      • Ron r

        Regressives have an excuse for everything. 6 million stayed at home in 2012, millions of dead people voted, millions of criminals voted (even those in congress) and of course every minority voted twice . My goodness how will a regressive ever get into office fair and square????

        • chocopot

          Funny that you use the term “regressives,” since that is precisely what I call the Communists – er, I mean the Democrats. And the last time they won a major election fairly was during the time of FDR.

    • Vis Fac

      Please hanging CHAD; even AFTER the recount Bush still won comfortably. Why do liberals bring up the past when they have no argument or supporting data for their positions?

      “If the citizens neglect their duty and place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted . . . . If a republican government fails to secure public prosperity and happiness, it must be because the citizens neglect the Divine commands, and elect bad men to make and administer the laws.” — Noah Webster

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

  • Daniel F. Melton

    If you want an honest government:
    1) Select Representatives by means of a draft lottery, qualifications for inclusion to the pool of prospective draftees to be determined by each state.
    2) Repeal the 17th Amendment. Give the selection of Senators back to the state legislatures, with the addition of term limits and the right of recall by the state Governor, the state legislature, and plebiscite.
    3) Remove the pay and benefits of federal legislators and staff from the federal domain. The state sending these people to Congress should be paying ‘em.
    4) No ‘retirement pay’ or special benefits for federal or state legislators at any level.
    5) All laws apply to legislators and bureaucrats as well as citizens.

    • KG

      I guess this is the way Conservatives get ‘honest’ employes?

      The 17th Amendment was passed primarily because of corruption! Senators were ‘purchased’ for a price by the wealthy.

      Article 1, section 6 shields them from arrest while performing their duties. But it didn’t stop New York congressman Daniel E. Sickles from being arrested for murder when out front of the Whitehouse he shot and killed the man having an affair with his wife In 1859. However, this immunity from arrest has been abused like any other privilege.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        KGB says — “The 17th Amendment was passed primarily because of corruption! Senators were ‘purchased’ for a price by the wealthy”.
        Indeed it was corruption that worked to pass the 17th Amendment. The “corrupters” knew that taking the election of Senators from the hands of the politically wiser State Legislatures, and putting them in the hands of the politically unwise public, would allow more Power for the Federal Government.
        The Founders knew that the Power to Legislate was the most critical Power of the Federal Government. They put that Power in the hands of the Congress. For checks and balances they split that Congress into two parts — The House of Representatives who were elected by and represented the people, and the Senate who were elected by and represented the State Governments.
        The 17th Amendment thwarted that wise division. Now Senators are much further removed from scrutiny. Having 6 year terms and being accountable only to politically-inept voters, their allegiance is more to the Federal Government than to the States or their people. You can see that in the way the Senate tends to vote (Pro Big Government almost every time).
        http://mises.org/daily/533

        • Briylaln

          If it wee given back to the states, whomever held the pwer in the state would send someone from the same party.

          • Vis Fac

            I hate to burst your bubble I need only mention states like the PRCM Peoples Republic of CaliMexico where liberalism runs amok where 95% of the state legislature 100% of the US Senate seats and 74% of the house are Democrat.

            Given the financial crisis and business climate in the PRCM is it any wonder why they are in trouble? Look to Detroit where for sixty plus years that city was Democratically controlled. Proof positive DUMBOCRITES have no business in government especially when finances are involved.

            The DUMBOCRITIC mantra of more government and more debt is killing the US of ODUMBO

            No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size.
            Government programs, once launched, never disappear. In all actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we’ll ever see on this earth!- Ronald Reagan

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

        • Vis Fac

          Bravo: Finally someone who paid attention in Civics Class and I thought I was one of the few. Apathy has changed what our founding fathers sacrificed and fought for.
          The general public has been conditioned to rely on the media for crucial information and as any one delegated with public trust the media has sold out to the highest bidder thus espousing the tenet of their master. The media is responsible for BOTH stolen elections
          First fawning over ODUMBO while campaigning in Europe to garner financial support depicting him as a “statesman” then continuing with their “selective” reporting omitting any and all negatives regarding their candidate while at the same time exploiting the leas bit of negativity with the opposition.
          The media was ruthless regarding Sara Palin yet was enamored with Biden as things emerge as they always do truth like cream rises to the top and we now find out that Sara Palin was right. This should speak volumes for th media but the functionally illiterate continue to feed off the media.
          Until we change how we view the media we will continue our downward spiral into the abyss.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

        • mark

          “The “corrupters” knew that taking the election of Senators from the hands of the politically wiser State Legislatures, and putting them in the hands of the politically unwise public…” Please, Dave, numerous state legislatures were incredibly corrupt in the late 1800s and early 1900s. (Many still are today: Rhode Island, Illinois, South Carolina, and Louisiana are among the worst). This was one of the driving motivations of the Populists and the later Progressives. Railroads, banks, timber, cattle, and oil interests virtually owned numerous Midwest and Western state legislatures where they backed the continuation of monopolies. These interests who threw around huge sums of money at state legislators (it was not even technically illegal back then) elected “bank senators,” “timber senators,” “cattle senators,” “mining senators,” “oil senators,” etc. In some cases fights between various state political machines kept senators from being seated in DC for several years. States would only have one senator for up to 4 years! Furthermore within many states, rural counties were given the same representation in the legislature as much more populous cities, skewing the vote in favor of the conservative countryside. This was the reason why working class people, small farmers and small businessmen demanded that they have the right to elect their own senators by popular vote! And they got three-fourths of their state conventions to ratify the amendment against ferocious corporate opposition.. You and Mises have got this whole thing backwards! As usual. Read David Graham Phillips, The Treason of the Senate, also for more on this, see:

          http://www.salon.com/2012/08/16/repeal_the_17th_amendment/

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            mark says — “Please, Dave, numerous state legislatures were incredibly corrupt in the late 1800s and early 1900s”.
            Newsflash, mark, they still are.
            Non Sequitur, mark. Many of the people are corrupt also.
            Why have a Senate at all, if the people are going to elect both houses?
            The 17th Amendment was simply a Power move by the Puppet-Masters to further protect and enlarge the Federal Government, as was the establishment of the Federal Reserve, and the 16th Amendment:
            http://mises.org/daily/364

      • independent thinker

        “Article 1, section 6 shields them from arrest while performing their duties. But it didn’t stop New York congressman Daniel E. Sickles from being arrested for murder…”
        Another lie from KG. The relevant line from Art 1 Section 6: “They shall in all cases, except treason, felony, and breach of peace, be privileged from arrest during their attendance at the session of their respective Houses…”. Last I heard murder was a felony and it could also be considered a breach of peace.

      • Vis Fac

        Just like UNION officials KGB yet you still refuse to connect the dots I doubt you can for you are just another product of one dimentional indoctrination camp. You are functionally illiterate despite your copy and paste propaganda.

        Truth be known you’d be lost with out this copy and paste feature. this is why you rely on and laud the union for without the union you’d have nothing.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

      • Daniel F. Melton

        Are you attempting to convince anyone that senators are not bribed and bought, just like representatives? The cumulative corruption that permeates Washington gets all of ‘em eventually. The least we can do for those sent there to run our government is to mandate a short stay.

    • Merle Dickey

      If the constitution is changed in any way ,it will boom into total destruction of it. It must not be changed.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        You’re being paranoid, Merle.

  • janna

    Wayne
    “if “Obama stole the 2012 election
    It must have been the will of “GOD”

    • http://www.rt.com Alondra

      There is no “IF”!!!

      There are overwhelming UNDENIABLE and IRREFUTABLE
      widespread FRAUD, FORGERY, voters and delegates INTIMIDATION, DEATH THREATS, and alleged MURDERS perpetrated by the Kenyan Kriminal campaign.

      STOP to scratch your belly, dear.

      • janna

        alondra
        no dear here
        I’m old ugly and male
        anyway,go tell Daryl Issa
        he’s looking into all kind of “scandals”
        such dedication
        the man just gives and gives

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          Well, “old ugly and male”, Daryl Issa knows what to do.

      • KG

        I guess if YOU believe it, it MUST be true, eh?

        • rwm44

          that is the true liberal philosophy
          lots of trolls out today your mom woke you up

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            KG preaches Satan’s theology from the Satan’s gospel.

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          Dunce, it’s not matter of “believe”.
          It’s a matter of the overwhelming UNDENIABLE and
          IRREFUTABLE FACTS.

          R E P E N T !!!

          • Vis Fac

            Communists are Atheists as well as amoral. Asking a commie to repent is like extracting teeth from chickens. on top of it all KGB is a liberal who as we all know have denounced God as witnessed by all the boos during a prayer at the DNC. No more need be said as democrats giving God the Boot have sealed the fate of the nation.

            People who trust in God will survive all others will perish.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Paдa приветcтвoвaть тeбя, мoй друг.
            Atheism is a religion too.
            But KG is openly Satanists.
            Имей хороший день.

          • Vis Fac

            Приветствую вас. Атеизм Я не рассматриваю как религия, а культ выступает отсутствие божественной лица
            Atheism I don’t view as a religion but a cult advocating the absence of a devine entity
            Что касается КГБ и сатана он его правая рука!
            As for KGB and Satan he is his right hand man!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Daoism, etc. are considered to be religions but they do not have/worship any divine entity.

            Religion is a set of the particular beliefs/faith concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe and moral code of the human affairs.

          • jaybird

            Religion is the service and worship of God or the supernatural. Atheist-one who denies the existence of God. Atheism is not a religion because they do not worship anything.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            “Religion is the service and worship of God or the supernatural.”

            WRONG!!!
            Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Daoism, etc. are religions and they do not believe in the existence of God and do not worship any god(s).

            What is “religion” by definition?
            Religion is a set of the particular beliefs/faith concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe and moral code of the human affairs.

            Atheists’ gods are man himself and/or junk sciences such as Darwin’s Evolution, Global Warming, etc.

          • smilee

            SHOW US THE FACTS!!!! YOU ARE FULL OF HOT AIR!!!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            FRAUD, FORGERY, voters and
            delegates INTIMIDATION, DEATH THREATS, and alleged MURDER perpetrated by the Kenyan Kriminal campaign
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi0AM9Udwm4

            Ohio Voter Fraud http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty4gGmXScJs

            ACORN Ohio Voter Fraud Specialist (Oct 14, 2008)
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31kC9h9AeD4

            Woman Votes Multiple Times in Election 2012
            but Denies Voter Fraud
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX6E2Ucv7S8

            South Carolina Ballot Fraud: Dead Voters
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EBy6qwHV3M

            ACORN likes it when dead people vote
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogzIIjgaBtg

            There is much more. Let me know, if you need more FACTS. But now feel free to pass it on.

          • smilee

            PROPAGANDA!! THAT IS NOT FACTS, Your eye high in it so your vision is impaired by it!!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Those are UNDENIABLE and IRREFUTABLE FACTS.
            Otherwise debunk them and stop screaming.

            Dunce, it’s not my eyes. It’s your brain.

          • smilee

            You really are a glutton for lies are not you, been proven it is propaganda and only fools believe that crap and you seem to fit that description

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            I am sooooo sorry that you are so STUPID.
            Your brain is overdosed with the BOTOX.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            I am sooooo sorry that you are so STUPID.
            Your brain is overdosed with the BOTOX.

          • smilee

            Simple speculation and that is all you ever base anything on, facts be damned as the truth is of no importance to your simple thinking.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            You, lMentally Perverted thinker, prove my ONE lie.

      • janna

        alondra
        I wish everybody could be so honest,uprightious,just,fair,wholesome,respectfull,hardworking
        dilligent,conscientious,honorable,scrupulous,and courageous
        like Ted Cruz who said we need one hundred Jesse Helms in the senate
        “I have seen the light”
        where can I sign up ?????

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          In WH’s basement.

      • smilee

        YOU LIE!! WHERE IS YOUR PEOOfF????

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          Below, in response to your nonsensical denial.

    • Vis Fac

      If it was the will of God it was because we as a nation have abandoned God and we are receiving our just reward. The following quote from our current POTUS sums it up!

      “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation.” Barack Husain Obama

      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “True religion is the foundation of society. When that is once shaken by
      contempt the whole fabric cannot be stable or lasting.” — Edmund Burke

      My concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God’s side, for God is always right.– Abraham Lincoln

      Without God, democracy will not and cannot long endure.- Ronald Reagan

      We are never defeated unless we give up on God.
      Ronald Reagan

      Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. Ronald Reagan

      If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under. Ronald Reagan

      OUR NATION IS GOING UNDER FAST

      Without God, democracy will not and cannot long endure. Ronald Reagan

      OUR REPUBLIC IS NO MORE FOR WE HAVE A DICTATOR AS A POTUS AND AN APATHETIC SOCIETY

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

      • JANNA

        force recon

        as the famous colonel Sherman T Potter said
        HORSEPUCKEY
        there is no place in a true democratie for any religion in government
        religion is a truly a private matter
        I prefer to live by secular laws, not “GOD”

        • Sunshine49

          Then you better enjoy this lifetime because that is ALL you’re going to get!

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Then you better start training your mind to make sure you remember all the secular laws that have been passed and you better be keeping up to date on them. Secular laws don’t allow for infractions and are not so forgiving when you fail to obey.

      • Sunshine49

        The one I like is from John Adams when he said that the Constitution was written only for a moral and religious people. It would NOT work for any other. We see the proof of that today in this country.

        • REV. IKE

          INNER MEANING (TRUE MEANING) OF government=”GOD OVER MEN”

          If the leaders & people are not walking with God, no system no matter how good will work. They must reflect the godly & divine virtues!

  • Connie Moorhead

    This coupled with the fraud at the ballot boxes surely did it.

  • http://tbmuch-inthenameofcommonsense.blogspot.com tbmuch

    There’s alot of stealing going on in this Republic, Wayne, this sort of thing has been going on for as long as I can remember, get rid of these pacs, that’s the answer.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Wayne says — “Republicans, and especially Tea Party groups, believe in limited government, smaller budgets, fewer government employees and cutting bloated salaries, obscene pensions and early retirement for government employees”.
    Republicans? Limited Government? As they bomb the hell out of the Middle East? Please, give us a break.
    The Republican Leaders may indeed believe in growing Government more slowly than the Democrat Leaders, but slow growth can be more effective and insidious than fast growth (for the Leaders) — having the beneficial advantage of flying under the radar of apathetic voters.
    If the Republicans wanted to win the election, they had a candidate who would have indeed offered a dramatic change to the Obama economic malaise and destruction of our Freedom — Ron Paul. But instead they used every dirty trick in the book to silence Ron and promote Obama Lite — Romney.
    There were even Democrats who were urging other Democrats to promote Ron Paul so they could get away from the Obama nightmare:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robin-koerner/blue-republican_b_886650.html
    Ron could have beat Obama, and more importantly he is one of the Few Republicans who would actually work to shrink our Gargantuan Government instead of just giving Lip-Service to the concept.

    • StinkBomb Jones

      Great Stuff, as usual , Big D!!!

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Thank you.

    • Moustache The First

      That is why we need Rand in there to continue his father’s agenda…he & maybe Cruz are the only ones I trust to guide us in 2016!!!

      • Merle Dickey

        I like Rand but his father would be talking and making sense and then go off on some tirade that was scary. Ron Paul had some great ideas but also some crazy ones that cost him the electionAsfor Romney he is a shrewd business man, just because he has made millions doesn’t disquilafy him. If I had his money and could make better money out the country then I would do it! As for Bain, business that they could revamp and open did hire lots of the old employees back, If folks that had a bad work history as abusing time off (not vacation) shoddy work ethics , they did not get hired back . Smart business move, your employees can make you or break you. He didn’t get it so quit beating a dead horse Be more concerned with the thief we have in the WH now.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          What did Ron Paul say, Merle, that you thought was crazy?

        • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Merle Dickey,

          You write: “I like Rand but his father would be talking and making sense and then go off on some tirade that was scary. Ron Paul had some great ideas but also some crazy ones that cost him the election” Yes, that Constitution thing can be scary. It’s really crazy talking about liberty and eliminating unConstitutional nanny-statism.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • Moustache The First

            Dear Bob L,

            To me, Americans & especially pundits on both sides of the aisle, find it hard to visualize a world where America does not poke its nose in everywhere & have all these military bases in every nook & cranny of the globe. This is what scared people most about Ron Paul. He was not isolationist, but non-interventionist. They think we gotta get involved all over or our security will be at stake. I say keep the military strong, but not bloated & stay ready to use it if need be, if our real security is threatened. The Mullahs in Iran are not like the Taliban or Al-Qaeda, they know any nuke attack on us & we will blow them off the map! So, when Paul says he does not care about an Iranian Nuke bomb, I agree! The bloodsuckers & tyrants on both sides in Wash. are more scary to me

        • Moustache The First

          To Merle & Dave….I would guess, Merle is talking about his foreign policy, like not really caring if Iran got a nuke bomb or not, but I have thought for a long time now, that the single biggest thing right now is our fiscal house (tax reform, excessive entitlements, the Fed BS, debt limits & deficits, etc..)! For after all, if these things are not fixed there would be no nation in which to have a foreign policy, so Ron Paul was ALWAYS the man for me to be prez. I do think since we have been the world’s so called “Policeman” for a long time, doing some good things & many bad ones as well, it would not be so easy to simply withdraw that Power & Presence immediately, so if Paul had ever been elected,I think he would’ve found his foreign policies & agenda might have to change a bit. But, most of all, Paul & his son are men of great integrity & have a strong desire to follow their Libertarian principles that I believe in & most crucially, the Constitution, which to me was God’s Gift to America! Heck, AMERICA IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE CONSTITUTION!!

          As for Romney, he is a decent man, smart business/fiscal sense, but he would’ve just continued the Big govt. & spending that Bush did as well (not as much as OBOZO) & the wars too…. I did not want him anywhere near the White House, though, I would rather he have won than Obummer. Being in NY state, my vote did not count, but I did vote for Ron Paul & would’ve no matter where I lived!

          • Merle Dickey

            If Rand runs and I think he will , he has my vote.

        • Moustache The First

          One more thing about Romney & Ron Paul:

          I thought in 2012, that Romney could’ve won the election if he tapped Paul to campaign with him & be in his cabinet as a sort of Czar of the Economy, more like a guy that would be seriously involved in cutting the size of the Federal Leviathan, tax reform & the deficit, etc.. I even wrote many letters to Romney to ask Paul if he would come aboard & do just that. Of course, Paul may not have accepted, but I just envisioned them crossing the nation & telling everyone, “our present course is dangerous & unsustainable & this is how we propose to fix it, etc…” Man, it would’ve been great to see & Paul resonates wirth many young people & they could’ve told them how their future is at stake, etc..

          But, alas, Romney, or his people never answered me, for this is not who he is, he is a RINO, CINO!

        • Sunshine49

          The Republicans blocked Ron Paul even getting the nomination by blocking the votes that he got. Anyone who paid attention knew that. They want business as usual and Ron Paul would have thrown a horseshoe into the works by demanding that we go back to the Constitution and LIMITED government.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Rand is certainly a cut above the average Republican, but he is no Ron Paul. Rand is much more likely to go along to get along:
        http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/rand-paul-betrays-his-father%E2%80%99s-principles-endorses-mitt-romney

        • Moustache The First

          But, that would make him more electable, no? Once, he’s in like Obummer said to Medvedev, he can do what he wants to!

          Hey, we just simply cannot afford another DEM, any DEM or fake GOPer!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Certainly, Moustache, he is better than the alternative, but we need shock therapy. Gradualism just doesn’t work. Witness the former Communist countries in Eastern Europe who thought they could gradually rid the country of corrupt Commie Leaders. It doesn’t work. Leaders don’t give up their Power easily.
            Czechoslovakia did the right thing and plunged into Capitalism:
            http://www.heritage.org/index/country/czechrepublic
            Of course they are still a long way from Freedom, but considering that they were a Commie country just 25 years ago, and that they are Economically Freer than Mexico, I would say they’ve done quite well for themselves.
            For Limited Government, Free Markets, Individual Freedom, Personal Responsibility, and the PEACE that comes naturally from those — Vote Libertarian!
            http://www.lp.org/

          • Moustache The First

            Yeah, I’m on same page as you philosophically, but we gotta get him in there first, so let him do what he;s got to do to get in!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’ll be waiting the rest of your life, Moustache, for the Republicans to restore your Freedom, just as I have.

    • NickCzudy

      DaveH..

      Since you are for smaller government, then you should like Obama. In his first term, he has reduced the size of government by 7%. This gives him a ratio of GE/P (Government Employees over population) of 6.9 . That is the best performance and lowest figure, over the last 4 presidential terms.

      Info here.: http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikepatton/2013/01/24/the-growth-of-the-federal-government-1980-to-2012/

      also he has reduced the deficit by close to 600 billion dollars.
      This info is available everywhere.
      Can’t the right wing give credit where credit is due?
      Obama seems to follow conservative principles more than conservatives..
      Still the right hates him. I mean foaming at the mouth hate.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        I can’t believe a Forbes contributor would have such a shallow analysis. It doesn’t matter whether Government employees do the work or Government contractors do the work, the money is still spent, and the Government has still grown:
        Federal Government spending in 2008 was $2983 Billion.
        Federal Government spending in 2009 was $3518 Billion.
        Federal Government spending in 2010 was $3457 Billion.
        Federal Government spending in 2011 was $3603 Billion.
        Federal Government spending in 2012 was $3795 Billion.
        You call that shrinkage?
        http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_1900_2013USb_13s1li011tcn_F1f

        Federal Deficit in 2008 was $459 Billion.
        Federal Deficit in 2009 was $1413 Billion.
        Federal Deficit in 2010 was $1294 Billion.
        Federal Deficit in 2011 was $1300 Billion.
        Federal Deficit in 2012 was $1087 Billion.
        http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/download_multi_year_2000_2013USb_14s2li101mcn_G0f

        The Deficit has indeed shrunk, but not because spending has been reduced, rather because revenues have increased.
        I remember arguing with other Liberal Progressives in the past about Obama raising taxes. Clearly he has if the spending has increased but the deficits have decreased.

        • NickCzudy

          That beats the deficit of one trillion when the economy tanked in 2008. It is actually closer to 400 billion in 2012.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sorry Nick, I got some bad data on the annual deficits.
            I have corrected the deficit figures above.

          • smilee

            So what is new davie?????????

      • LOBSTER MAN

        Hey, DUNCE, he increased entitlements..they have gone through the roof, that is increasing govt.!!!!

        • smilee

          Did not the recession did under existing laws when he took office and he has signed no law that increased any entitlements except Obamacare .which is said to reduce costs over time. Any lie will keep you happy it seems..

  • HONEST HOMER HUXSUCKER

    Let’s remember they stole the election in Minn. between Franken & Coleman & that enabled ObummerCare to be passed! They also stole the election from Allen West in Florida this past Nov.

    Remember also that there were many districts that had over 100% voter turnout…HOW CAN THAT HAPPEN???? Illegals were bussed in & paid to vote in many places by groups similar to ACORN!

    • smilee

      Everyone involved said it was fair including all the republicans involved.. You are spreading lies as not even one precinct had over 100%.It cannot happen and it did not happen. Franken Coleman recount proved just how honest our elections are. But that does not keep you from spreading these lies in hopes you can snooker some into believing it. The only thing you said you were right on is that without Franken’s vote Obamacare would not have passed in the senate..

      • HONEST HOMER HUXSUCKER

        HAHAHA…you are so funny!!! Funnier than Franken, the comedian/senator… I guess you forgot how the LIBs left all those hundreds of Coleman paper ballots locked in a trunk & how the Libtard judge did not allow them to be counted afterwards!

        Check out these facts:

        http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/the-big-list-of-vote-fraud-reports/

        • got my licence

          Once again all of the trunk bound ballots were 100% democrat. No republican votes, BS

          • HONEST HOMER HUXSUCKER

            They were changed to LOONY TUNES Dem ballots!!

          • smilee

            But they where never found so know one will ever know that!! Odds makers would not bet on that but it was said this was in a heavy democrat precinct so it most likely would have been democrat majority but it only existed in the minds of goofy far right people.and never in reality.

        • smilee

          There was no group of ballots in any trunk nor did any judge rule on any group of ballots not being counted, only on challenged ballots in the recount made by the candidates and there were not many.. There was only one democrat on the recount board and that was the SOS who also submitted the list and it contained mostly republicans.If you put any trust in the wnd propaganda site for your info you will get lies. This was a rumor and it was rumored to have happened in Hennepin County which said it did not happen nor were there any ballots ever found everywhere except where they where suppose to be.Them are the real facts and I’m from MN and watched this on a daily basis at the time and then as now there are those who persist in lying about it as you are here.

          • WHOSE MY BABY?

            So, MILEY SMILEY, you believe everything you see on TV??? SUCKER!!!!

      • Sunshine49

        Do you live in Florida because it was in local papers about the 131% voting in West’s precinct. It happened alright! What I remember about Franken winning is they kept recounting until they finally had him win. What also came out later is that he won by almost the same number of votes as the number of felons in prison who voted even though it was illegal for them to do so at the time. No vote fraud there — right?

        • smilee

          I live in MN, There was only one recount tally and some that were challenged by the candidates representatives and the court ruled on them but no second recount was ever done. The paper hear also reported the rumors but in the end also the facts.There was 89 convictions .of fraud and most of them were felons and if you gave them all to Coleman he still would have lost. Not one felon in prison voted as there was no ballot box in any prison just some felons on parole and very few of them. All involved in the end,, republicans included, said the election was as fair as is humanly possible and proves that fraud is not a problem as it most certainly would have been found in this election as no election has been so fully scrutinized. We in MN are very proud of this. Check your facts with reputable sources and leave the propaganda cites to their lies.

          • WHOSE MY BABY?

            Face it MILEY SMILEY, they stole it for the comedian & he ain’t even funny anymore!!

          • smilee

            Only the stupid believe that he stole it the rest of us know better

    • NickCzudy

      How exactly did they steal the election from Alan West.? He lost!.
      How is it that every time that a republican loses an election, it was stolen?
      Maybe it was the caustic nature of Alan West, that the majority of voters did not want representing them in Congress?
      Alan came up with such evolutionary comments like, “90% of Liberals are members of the Communist party.”

      He lost because of his poor performance in his first term. Plain and simple!
      People elected him from his great talk talk and rhetoric and found out that he was just a hot bag of air. He was a liability to the state.
      Nick Czudy

      • Sunshine49

        So why did Obama win again? He’s a liability to the whole country!

        • smilee

          Your opinion but not to the majority whom are the ones whom elected him.

          • Sunshine49

            From the Census Bureau
            In comparison to the election of 2008, about 1.7 million additional Black voters reported going to the polls in 2012, as did about 1.4 million additional Hispanics and about 550,000 additional Asians.

            Between 1996 and 2012, the non-Hispanic White share of the eligible electorate dropped from 79.2 percent to 71.1 percent, and their share of the voting population decreased from 82.5 percent to 73.7 percent.

            Another article I was reading said that 93% of blacks voted. A really high number when the left keeps saying that the right does everything it can to block their votes. Of course that is assuming that they were all legal votes and voted only once.

            Obama got almost 62 million votes out of 215 million eligible voters according to the census bureau with 61% voting — down from 63% in 2008. A little over 131 million people voted. That means that 69 million voted for someone else. So he did NOT get the majority of the votes no matter what lies you believe.

          • smilee

            Majority in voting has always been the majority of those voting so your spin is out of control and illuminates nothing. In our history of elections. Since the current system has been used starting with Jackson this has been what defined a majority. Here is a real comparison and that is only five presidents whom had two or more terms received the majority (over 50%of those voting) in both of two or more elections. and they are Jackson, FDR, Eisenhower, Reagan and Obama so Obama’s majority is up there with the leaders of the pack, not to shabby despite what you say

    • got my licence

      Note that the districts with 100% plus turnout were 100% democrate.
      Law of averages should have had atleast 30% republican

    • Bob666

      Yo homer,
      Allen West was my representative.
      Allen West lost because he did not represent the best interest of his constituents as he spent far more time promoting Allen West.

      Those are the facts.

      • angelwannabe

        You got it wrong bubby___Allen West lost because he didn’t do what the guv wanted him to do__

        • Bob666

          Yo Wannabe,
          You got it wrong bubby___Allen West lost because he didn’t do what the guv wanted him to do__”

          Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but unless you live here in Florida and reside here in the district that Mr. West represented and can make a statement based on fact, I hope that you will understand that your opinion is not worth very much and lacks credibility.

    • NickCzudy

      Allan Wests lost the election because he was an extreme zealot. He aliened most of his constituents. He deserved to lose. Election were not stolen. More people voted for the other guy. This is not stealing. That is what an election is.
      Nick Czudy

  • angelwannabe

    “Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.”

    Stalin

    • Merle Dickey

      We should now, start protesting the lack of voter ID. Soros company counting the votes, make it a criminal act to vote more than once and enforce it!! I think it is illegal already but no one went after any of them except the stupid black woman that bragged about it. ( I am not saying all blacks are stupid, I just mean her)

      • HUGH KNOW NOTHING

        Yeah, it looks like the fix was in!!! Elections are easier to fix than a sports event!

        • angelwannabe

          and the only reason the Progs are baulking about voter ID, is because with that in place, it will be harder to cheat!

          • HUGH KNOW NOTHING

            Most likely, but as I said above ,they will seek a way TO get fake IDs for the illegal aliens who have been voting for decades!

          • angelwannabe

            Of course they will, the corruption across the board in Government, is out of control.

          • smilee

            What is out of control is people like you spreading propaganda

          • angelwannabe

            Of course they will, the corruption across the board in Government, is out of control.

          • smilee

            Few aliens vote as they will do nothing to out themselves and this is a real risk for them.

          • HUGH KNOW NOTHING

            Most likely, but as I said above ,they will seek a way TO get fake IDs for the illegal aliens who have been voting for decades!

          • smilee

            No it will not actually easier but it will make it harder for many citizens to vote.

          • angelwannabe

            A copy of a post I’d written below___ It’s all BS, I don’t care how you present it__ID
            is ID, we need it for practically everything these days. The only reason
            its a problem it was presented by the opposition and they’re not
            controlling it, so they try and control the message about it___and BTW, posting a rebuttal after each and every post, doesn’t make you any more right either!!!_nice try!

          • smilee

            Your talking in circles, I suppose your dizzy from it

      • angelwannabe

        I agree, but the libbies are making the case it will repress the elderly and lower incomes, which is BS! You have to show ID to police when they stop you, for bank accounts and countless other reasons.

        • Merle Dickey

          As important as voting is to our country and all the technology of today . It is amazing they don’t have more security involved. Maybe in the future.

          • angelwannabe

            It will STILL all come down to the integrity of those counting the votes!

          • smilee

            That integrity is very very high and not a problem.

          • angelwannabe

            You just keep thinking that smilee, they say if you repeat something often enough, you eventually come to believe it!

        • HUGH KNOW NOTHING

          And studies have shown that if you show ID to vote MORE minorities vote…Of course, I would not put it past them to furnish fake IDs!!

          • smilee

            None of these laws prevent fake ones

        • NickCzudy

          Well yes and no. Not everyone has to show ID’s. Many people do not carry ID with them. I only have it when I am driving a car. Many of the elderly that you mentioned have lost their licenses due to age. they no longer have ID. If they are in their 80’s and up, then probably do not travel and have no passport. The GOP are making it hard to travel to the license bureau and sometimes ask for ID that costs money to obtain. For a younger person, I am sure that is not an issue. For many elderly , it could be a big problem.
          Many of these elderly have a voter ID card and have voted for decades. Not those ID’s are not acceptable.
          It is not the idea of having ID. During the last election the problem was how short of time they announced the requirement before the election. It is also the requirement of a new improved ID card that is controlled by a GOP election office.

          Just look at the backward restrictions that are being imposed in North Carolina. Students not allowed to vote. Closing polling stations close to the college and making people travel a long distance to a single poll that has 32 parking spaces and is supposed to process 9000 voters.
          It is just not right, fair, christian to try and suppress Americans form voting.

          • angelwannabe

            Only those with an agenda have to write a post, this long, to prove a point. It’s all BS, I don’t care how you present it__ID is ID, we need for practically everything these days, the only reason its a problem it was presented by the opposition and they’re not controlling it, so they try and control the message___wake up!

        • smilee

          Driving is a privilege that can be denied for many reasons,Banks etc are not by law but if you wish to use their services you must and voting is a constitutional right and cannot be denied and you do not see the difference and that is why you are in the dark on it.

      • NickCzudy

        Having some form of ID is not a big deal Just why are all of the new requirements disqualifying most present ID’s and voter cards, and making citizens to have to get new improved ID. What is wrong with all of the existing government IS< like student ID's, driver licenses and passports?

        It is funny how to get this new ID, they almost have to swear on a bible that they will vote republican.
        How stupid do you think most Americans are. This is designed to suppress votes, plain and simple.

        Nick Czudy

        • glock 19 fan

          What are you talking about? Promise to vote Republican? What are you smoking? We need ID’s to cash a check, board an airliner, board an AMTRAK train, drive a car and many more purposes. Also, I put “Show ID” on the back of my credit cards. Debbie Washerwoman Schultz wanted to abolish ID’s for voting and a lot of us suspect that the purpose was to vote more than once. Oh, I almost forgot; if you have a concealed carry license with pic and address you can use that as a voter ID.

        • angelwannabe

          In that respect the Progressive repubs are just like the demoncrats, aren’t they?

          • NickCzudy

            Angel,

            I have not seen a single democratic state try and supress any votes. This is a GOP thing.
            Nick

        • angelwannabe

          YOU SAID “It is funny how to get this new ID, they almost have to swear on a bible that they will vote republican.”___Your full of it!____but it’s ok that your idiot handlers wanna let HOW MANY illegals in on the Obama watch, one chick even admitted voting twice for Obama on live TV!__ H*ll they’re Guaranteed votes aren’t they? I can hear them now, “mister Obama saved me and made me legal, I’m going to vote for him!!!!?” __Who are you trying to kid?__lol

          • NickCzudy

            angel.
            I do not have any handlers.
            You must be referring to some future Immigration Bill that might be enacted someday. The 11 million illegals are here and have been working and paying taxes. Since the GOP are doing nothing for them, do not be surprised that they would not vote GOP in the future.
            Are you scared?
            The one chick voting twice is more of the Right Wing rhetoric that never happened.That was a GOP plant.

            There are less than 12 cases that have been prosecuted and brought to light. Most caught were GOP.

            Compare that to the over 500,000 that will be obstructed from voting if the GOP have their way.
            You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.
            regards
            Nick Cz

          • smilee

            Take your meds lady especially if you want to become an angel.which may not be possible with your attitude.

          • angelwannabe

            smellee smellee___ never changing__lol

        • smilee

          When it was put on the ballot in MN in 2012 the polls showed that it would win with over 80%. people figured out this farce by election time and it only got a little over 40%. It was modeled after the ALEC model as most are today and that model is not what the far right says it is, it is designed to prevent voting not clear up any fraud as is claimed but that is not true.

          • NickCzudy

            Smilee, Very interesting. ALEC has it fangs into a lot of state legislators. I agree that the voting laws have nothing to do with fraud. After all how does it prevent fraud to reduce voting days, decrease the number of polling sites and remove pre-registration for students?
            All of these would increase fraud, theoretically. It would give more time to check people out. Decrease in voting times, it only will prevent people from voting.
            It is a pleasure to meet a rational person on this site.
            best regards
            Nick Czudy

          • smilee

            Thanks, we are a minority here it sure seems

    • HUGH KNOW NOTHING

      AWESOME QUOTE, Angel Baby!!! BRAVO!!!

    • glock 19 fan

      We saw an example of that in 2012. My parents and three cousins came back from the grave to vote for Obama and didn’t come to visit me. I’m hurt.

      • angelwannabe

        I often wondered how times my dead family voted too?

        • smilee

          Why don’t you ask them??

          • angelwannabe

            If your trying to start something smellee, you failed! lol

          • smilee

            Stupid question deserves a stupid answer so don’t blame me as you asked the stupid question

      • smilee

        You must not have buried them deep enough!!

        • angelwannabe

          still ain’t working honey, your still not worth your shill/troll pay___lol

    • smilee

      In Russia yes in the US that is BS but I guess you do not know the difference.

  • Ron r

    Amazing that when regressives win its a victory for America , when they don’t the election was stolen. It’s win win or win cry

    • angelwannabe

      and the same can be said for Gun Control, a guy shoots up a bunch of people and you b*stards want to punish ALL gun owners for it!__

      • NickCzudy

        Angel. Just how would all law biding gun owners be punished if background checks would be required, limit on gun magazines and assault weapons. Just how much punishment is that versus the thousands that lose their lives.
        I am sure that all good gun owners will survive such onerous and brutal gun regulations.
        Nick Czudy

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Registration has led up to confiscation throughout history.
          http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm
          http://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/22/confiscation-could-be-an-option/
          And it does no good. No self-respecting criminal will use a registered gun. They just steal them from somebody else. You know, Nick, “steal” like you Liberal Progressives do every day through your Proxy Government.
          The Fallacy of Gun Registration:
          http://gunowners.org/op0852.htm

          Limits on gun magazines? Dream on, Nick:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXVNypPUGto

          Assault Weapons? A feel-good action by Progressive Followers, and another step towards confiscation by the Progressive Leaders.
          http://gunowners.org/fs9403.htm
          http://wwww.gunowners.org/op0322htm.htm

          • rbrooks

            you accuse the nra of being a liberal progressive organization. you are correct. you will not make many friends on this site with that spiel.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You make no sense, Flashman. Have you taken to drinking after losing your Shill job?

          • rbrooks

            you are simply too stupid to figure it out comrade frank.

            perhaps you should learn who was really behind the numerous restrictions to the 2nd.

            might be too tough for ya. have someone explain the bigger words to you.

        • glock 19 fan

          Actually, Nick, background checks have been on the books at least since 1998 and I went through one in 1993. What is different about the latest proposals is that they register the person and the language is changed in order to trip/trick honest gun owners into breaking the law and losing their gun rights. Of course, criminal suppliers deal out of car trunks and abandoned buildings without any background checks. Here’s a kicker about the registration bit: Did you know that criminals do NOT have to register themselves or any guns they might have? That is true; SCOTUS ruled that criminals cannot be required to register because that would be self-incrimination because of laws prohibiting them from having a gun. The registration of good gun owners is simply a prelude to confiscation of all guns except those owned by criminals.

          • NickCzudy

            Glock. I know that there are some states that have registration. But if I am correct, not all states.
            This makes it as easy for someone to take a shortdrive to the next state to get guns. Apparently that is how do many guns get into Chicago.
            I am not sure what you mean about the changes trip /ticking honest gun dealers to break the law.

            I would like to know wheat you mean by that. I do not know.
            What I do know is that the fear of “Confiscation” is not the result. Surely you can register guns without the fear of the government coming to take them away. I understand there are about 300 million guns in the USA. Just how and why would the government come to take all of the guns away.?
            No one that is proposing some gun legislation is asking for anything so draconian.
            It is not a valid reason that something might happen. We need to only take into consideration what will happen.
            regards
            Nick Czudy

          • NickCzudy

            Glock. I know that there are some states that have registration. But if I am correct, not all states.
            This makes it as easy for someone to take a shortdrive to the next state to get guns. Apparently that is how do many guns get into Chicago.
            I am not sure what you mean about the changes trip /ticking honest gun dealers to break the law.

            I would like to know wheat you mean by that. I do not know.
            What I do know is that the fear of “Confiscation” is not the result. Surely you can register guns without the fear of the government coming to take them away. I understand there are about 300 million guns in the USA. Just how and why would the government come to take all of the guns away.?
            No one that is proposing some gun legislation is asking for anything so draconian.
            It is not a valid reason that something might happen. We need to only take into consideration what will happen.
            regards
            Nick Czudy

          • glock 19 fan

            Actually, Nick, National registration is a very real concern and confiscation is the real goal; in fact, Feinstein has admitted that. She said, during the Clinton years, that if she could have gotten the votes to pick up every last one — Mr and Mrs America, turn them ALL in — she would have done it. Would it be door to door searches? Maybe so, maybe not; with registration there is the specter of taxation with the tax going through the roof until the gun owner can no longer afford to keep his/her property. As for trip/trick gun owners into breaking the law that is very real. Sen. Leahy described wording just like that a few months ago. Legalese gobbledygook that would require a Philadelphia lawyer to interpret was his method.Government simply cannot and must not be trusted. Anti-gun officials will put a grossly misleading title on a gun bill, knowing that almost nobody will read it. When “Chucky” Schumer was first elected to the U.S. House he said, “I am here to tell the NRA that their nightmare is true!” So where doo we get our information about what the “antis” are planning? We get it right from the horse’s mouth from literature that they publish. In july a UN office called UNODA (United Nations Office for Disarmament Affairs) issued, this past August, a letter with the sub-heading “Disarmament Commission — Civilian Weapons Confiscation Study Group” meeting in July of this year. If I knew how to post the image here I would do so but I am an old geezer without a lot of computer skills. Like the old fable about the Arab and his camel, it spells out the agenda from classification to confiscation to creating a UN task force to enforce it. And Schumer, Feinstein and others of their ilk are ready, willing and eager to help them and they have said so! Sarah Brady indignantly denied on “60 Minutes” the goal of banning all guns but, the following year, was quoted in the Cleveland paper with this: “We will not stop until all guns are outlawed.” The anti’s have shown a willingness to use, as Lenin wrote, “Any ruse, cunning, unlawful method, evasion or concealment of the truth” to achieve their goal. IOW, the end justifies the means. He wrote that in a paper titled, “The Infantile Sickness of Leftism in Communism” declaring that all was fair “when employed to further the cause of Communism.” So don’t trust those creeps; you’ll be sorry if you do. If you can get your hands on a copy of Solzhenitzyn’s “Gulag Archipelago Two” (hard to find these days) I would recommend it. In it he described how Stalin criminalized sel-defense with regulations that American prosecutors and lawmakers considered the greatest invention since sliced bread and inserted into U.S. law.

          • NickCzudy

            Glock 19, thanks for your very interesting response. I appreciate your detail and information. I will take some of your statements as plausible, but I know that some of what you said is the paranoia that has been the plan put out by the NRA to make all gun owners panic.
            There is nothing that Obama and Shumer are doing to confiscate guns. Both of them respect the 2nd Amendment for Americans to own guns, whether for recreation, hunting or defense. That is a constitutional right of all Americans. But that does not mean that they can all own instruments of war, and all types of weapons.
            Many historical facts that are used by this agenda of “they are coming to take our guns mentality” are just wrong.
            The information about Stalin and Mao massacring millions is not an issue of guns being taken away from its citizens. My mother grew up under the Stalin reign. stalin wanted to buy industrial machinery to industrialize the USSR. He did this by putting up a facade to the west that they were a prosperous agricultural country. They confiscated all foods from its people to export to the west for machinery or hard currency. The estimates are that around 40 million people starved to death.Guns were not an issue. People had no money to buy guns or wanted them. They needed food. My parents hide rotten potatoes under the house to keep some food for themsellves. They boiled old shoes to make some soup broth.
            Mao followed Stalin’s lead and did the same to its people to industrialize. Because both of these dictators had complete control, they orchestrated complete cover ups and hid this tragedy,. None of these had anything to do with the masses having guns.
            The gun lobby is trying to make these genocides into a case for guns for the people against tyrannical governments. In the old days, no peasants had weapons like cross bows, spears or swords to stand up the the ruling class. Neither of Stalin or Mao, had to deal with their citizens being able to stand up to the huge armies.
            Also none of these two examples were democracies that voted in their representatives and leaders. So the idea of needing guns in American to be prepared to deal with a tyrannical government is a non issue.

            the big lie that the Right Wing Bubble is that the left or democrats are communists. That is a favorite rant.
            It is a pile of bull. More democrats make up our Capitalist business’s than the GOP. They pay the most taxes and take the least amount of entitlements.
            The problem with the Right Wing is that they constantly pass this bull around, among themselves that the base believe it, lock stock and barrel.
            I would like to see your UN documents as I have a hard time believing that there is a mass scheme to take everyone’s guns. Obama has openly stated this many times. He is on record many times. Yet the Right constantly have to go to the fear mongering to convince you all that they will come to take the guns.

            You are not alone as I am also getting to be an old geezer and I appreciate our opinion.
            Now I will wait for my mailbox to fill with rebuffs with the usual name calling that is usual. haha.
            I wish you a good day.
            regards,
            Nick Czudy

          • glock 19 fan

            I would like to know, Nick, how to post images on this page because I saved a copy of the UN letter. Also, John Kerry signed the UN Arms Treaty despite warnings from the Senate that it won’t be ratified. And the UNODA letter definitely states that the goal is to confiscate **all** guns. And Feinstein has also said that that is her goal as well.

            The anti-gun activists keep demanding new gun restrictions (a more accurate word than “control”) and care nothing about criminals getting theirs. They keep prddling the idea that if there were no guns then nobody would get shot. A bit of history comes to mind: Back around 1919 we decided, or at least Congress did, that if there was no alcohol then nobody would get drunk. So Prohibition was enacted into law. The results were three: Anyone who wanted a drink and had the money could get as many as he/she wanted. Bootlegging was so profitable that rival gangs shot each other up all over the place. Sort of like the pot traffickers in Mexico. The money amassed by racketeers was used to buy the services of judges and police; Chicago’s Mayor declared that there was no crime in Chicago but his police chief admitted that two-thirds of his men were working for bootleggers. Now, the attempt is made to outlaw guns, starting with so-called “assault weapons”, an elastic term that the gun grabbers use to mean “anything they say it is.” It is important for everyone to remember, regardless of what one thinks about guns, outlawing guns can and will exacerbate the problem of armed crime. Now we have background checks and varying degrees of regulation/restriction that are a pain in the **gluteus maximus** but provide very little actual benefit. However, banning them will, as did Prohibition, turn the business over to criminals and give them lots of easy victims. No background check; all one needs is money. Also, taking away our basic civil rights would result in bloodshed rivaling the Civil War. Maybe that is what the gun prohibitionists really want. The shooters at Columbine High School were aided by a “straw purchaser” to get some of their weapons (a practice outlawed in 1968) but I don’t know if that was ever prosecuted. A few years ago, someone in CA with a political agenda was selling semi-auto pistols to teens at prices they could afford and SMGs also, all for less than $100. The Russian arms trafficker, Victor Bout, was getting his full auto Ak’s from arms depots in Yemen and Belarus for $50.

            At any rate, if “gun control” actually worked, Chicago would be the safest place in the world, as Newt Gingrich pointed out on TV before being cut off by the program host.

          • glock 19 fan

            I don’t remember if I posted this but here goes:

            I would like to know, Nick, how to post images on this page
            because I saved a copy of the UN letter. Also, John Kerry signed the UN
            Arms Treaty despite warnings from the Senate that it won’t be ratified.
            And the UNODA letter definitely states that the goal is to confiscate
            **all** guns. And Feinstein has also said that that is her goal as well.

            The anti-gun activists keep demanding new gun restrictions (a more
            accurate word than “control”) and care nothing about criminals getting
            theirs. They keep prddling the idea that if there were no guns then
            nobody would get shot. A bit of history comes to mind: Back around 1919
            we decided, or at least Congress did, that if there was no alcohol then
            nobody would get drunk. So Prohibition was enacted into law. The results
            were three: Anyone who wanted a drink and had the money could get as
            many as he/she wanted. Bootlegging was so profitable that rival gangs
            shot each other up all over the place. Sort of like the pot traffickers
            in Mexico. The money amassed by racketeers was used to buy the services
            of judges and police; Chicago’s Mayor declared that there was no crime
            in Chicago but his police chief admitted that two-thirds of his men were
            working for bootleggers. Now, the attempt is made to outlaw guns,
            starting with so-called “assault weapons”, an elastic term that the gun
            grabbers use to mean “anything they say it is.” It is important for
            everyone to remember, regardless of what one thinks about guns,
            outlawing guns can and will exacerbate the problem of armed crime. Now
            we have background checks and varying degrees of regulation/restriction
            that are a pain in the **gluteus maximus** but provide very little
            actual benefit. However, banning them will, as did Prohibition, turn the
            business over to criminals and give them lots of easy victims. No
            background check; all one needs is money. Also, taking away our basic
            civil rights would result in bloodshed rivaling the Civil War. Maybe
            that is what the gun prohibitionists really want. The shooters at
            Columbine High School were aided by a “straw purchaser” to get some of
            their weapons (a practice outlawed in 1968) but I don’t know if that was
            ever prosecuted. A few years ago, someone in CA with a political agenda
            was selling semi-auto pistols to teens at prices they could afford and
            SMGs also, all for less than $100. The Russian arms trafficker, Victor
            Bout, was getting his full auto Ak’s from arms depots in Yemen and
            Belarus for $50. Semi autos bought at gun shows go for $500 and up. Conversion to FA is illegal so any person who will do it will charge plenty.

            At any rate, if “gun control” actually worked, Chicago would be the
            safest place in the world, as Newt Gingrich pointed out on TV before
            being cut off by the program host.

        • jaybird

          When our government sends DHS to round us up for the FEMA camps, you are going to wish you had an automatic with more that 10 rounds.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Nick will be right there with them.

          • NickCzudy

            Jaybird, I have heard that one before. Just why is FEMA going to round up Americans into camps?
            I know that they interned Japanese during the war. I understand that. It was a travesty. Just why is it likely that this would ever happen in the future?
            When ever I ask any gun hugger to explain just how they will be persecuted, with some common sense gun regulations, they all give some extreme actions that would never happen.
            For example. the black hawks will come to take away your guns. Why? You can own guns under the 2nd. Everyone will still be able to own guns.
            It is always some extreme action that would never happen.
            You know what might happen is that criminals might not be able to send straw purchasers to buy lots of guns for crime. It just might make it harder for people like Mr. Alexis to buy guns when they have a few loose screws.
            If all of the states started some form of registration, then there would be fewer guns enter Chicago and a few more kids alive today.
            You really need a real reason instead of the paranoid answers that have been given here.

        • Sunshine49

          Did you know that more people are killed by automobile accidents than by guns. Should we outlaw cars?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yeah, quit your whining and do as the Liberal Progressives order you to do:
            http://www.caranddriver.com/columns/airbags-kill-more-kids-than-school-shootings

            By the way, Shill Dave, your entire comment was a non sequitur. We have come to expect that from you.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Polly want a cracker? You’re like a little child, Shill Dave. I sure hope you don’t have kids to ruin.
            Actually, automobiles are heavily regulated, but as much as you’d like it otherwise, Shill Dave, two wrongs still don’t make a right.

          • Sunshine49

            So you have no idea that the reason our car insurance rates are up so much is because a good majority of the people are driving around WITHOUT insurance? Some without drivers licenses like illegal aliens. Oh, that’s right. We’re supposed to call them undocumented workers instead of calling them the illegal invaders that they are! Stick you head back in to the socially correct hole you pulled it out of. Registering with the government doesn’t stop criminals with guns OR cars!

          • NickCzudy

            I did not know that. I heard that about 38,000 people were killed in the USA last year by guns?

            How many car accident victims?
            regards
            Nick

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Out of population of how many? You hear a number and your little brain shuts down.

        • angelwannabe

          There is only one reason and one reason only for the registration of guns, its called CONFISCATION!
          It may not be tomorrow or ten years, but with registration they always know where to go get them, don’t they….

        • Col. SinkHole

          About 75% of gun violence is gang related & done with hand guns, but you never hear the LIBs address these issues…OBAMA has been silent on them & when a mayor like Bloomberg does the job with aggressive policing, they come down hard on him & try to take away his policy. We have a huge gang problem in the poor areas of the Big Cities in America & stop& frisk works, short of martial law, what else can be done?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Actually, Ron r, it is the people who call themselves “Progressives” who are really the “Regressives”. If we continue to ignore the growth of Big Government we will soon be back to the Serfdom of the Middle Ages:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom

      The Road to Serfdom:
      http://www.iea.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/files/upldbook351pdf.pdf

      For the Public School educated Liberal Progressives (the Road to Serfdom with Cartoons):
      http://mises.org/books/TRTS/

      • Ron r

        You are regressive and your party is regressive.

        • angelwannabe

          yeah I’ll stay regressive____The only reason you progressives have such a following, you’ve managed to b*llshyte over 50% of the American people, which I call new agers, who are always looking for a freebie, the next best thing, an alternative lifestyle or a free ride!__The regressives as you so call us__Over here we believe in God, in individuality, personal responsibility, we don’t kill our offspring before they have a chance to take a breath, just because they’re inconvenient, and we take care of our elderly. Ya don’t get freebies over here Mac, we work for what we want. Nobody cares if you run into trouble and need a hand up for a time__Use what you need and get out of it!__ We have no problem helping the elderly or the handicapped, what we b*tch about, is the able bodied on the Government dole, and you keep throwing them a bone for votes!_-Ya Liberals/progs make me sick in the a**!

          • Ron r

            So over 50% of America is wrong and you and the 2% ers are right. That must make you feel pretty smart. And the fact that it happened twice must really get your academic antenna up. I assume someone told you there were more people being helped that did not need help than the opposite.

          • angelwannabe

            It’s all cultural on both sides, and buddy when your commie handlers are done using you, they’ll throw you to the wolves, remember the night of long knives –oh I know, that can’t happen here___fruitcake!

    • Bruce in AZ

      Good one. I seems to remember some gnashing of teeth and rending of garments over a recount in Florida, and, oh yeah, something about Ohio. Enjoy the hanging chad?

      • Ron r

        Yeah but no one was in a meeting during the Bush inauguration plotting the demise of his administration. They got over it and never questioned his love of country. Never called him a half breed either. Dumb yes. But compared to Palin he’s a genius .

        • BIG BAZOOMS

          Yeah, it’s always :they don’t like Obama because he’s black BS….STOP ALREADY! We don’t like him because he sux big time & is destroying our freedoms & economy!

          Are you serious? the vitriolic hate & lies & negative epithets hurled upon Bush by the LOONY TUNES LIBs before he even took the oath were literally 1,000X worse than what Obummer faced!!

          Hey, remember when all those Holier Than Thou Hollywood Loonies who said they would move to another country if Bush won? Never happened!

          NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!

          • Ron r

            Never mentioned color but can you amagine the out cry from the right if the CBC had done that on Bush?

          • DINO POPAPOOPALOUS

            The sucker wasn’t born here & hates whites!!

          • Ron r

            Yeah and there ain’t a damn thing you can do with that lie.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            For the STUPID Liberal the TRUTH is ALWAYS lie.

            “Woe to those who CALL EVIL GOOD, AND GOOD EVIL; Who put DARKNESS FOR LIGHT, AND LIGHT FOR DARKNESS; Who put BITTER FOR SWEET, AND SWEET FOR BITTER!” (Isaiah 5:20-21)

          • smilee

            Your sick!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            “A dupe lays open his folly.” – King Solomon (Proverbs 13)

          • smilee

            Your stupid conclusion based on bias not fact.

      • glock 19 fan

        The flap in Florida was an attempt to scam the election for Gore. His campaign manager, William Daley of the Chicago Daleys, kept “finding” more and more votes until SCOTUS stopped it; the “hanging chads” were a result of using a ballpoint pen instead of the punch that was supplied. The flap over those was to do away with the butterfly ballot and replace it with the scanners that are easier to rig without leaving a trail.

        • Bruce in AZ

          Thanks for that. My point was the cry babies were the libs. I’m into my new glock 27.

        • Ron r

          I guess any excuse is better than none at all.

    • FARFEL

      May I remind everyone, that before the 2 Bush-Gore debates, Gore The Bore had a 20 point lead…after the first it was down to 10 points & after the second it was an even horse race! Bush, the supposedly stupid, (but with higher SAT scores & better GPA in college), inarticulate, racist, misogynist war monger BEAT HIS ASS, BEAT HIM LIKED A RENTED MULE!!!! The American people saw through the phony elitist that Gore was.

      Point is: Gore has no one but himself to blame for losing…he had it & blew it himself!

      • Ron r

        My point is regressives can’t handle defeat. If they win its great, if they don’t someone tampered with the results. Mitches!!!

      • nc

        Farfel, don’t look now but 0ver 500,000 more of the “American People” voted for Gore than bush II.! Gore was the PEOPLE’S CHOICE! bush II was his Republican brother’s and the Republican controlled Supreme Court’s choice!
        See 2000 Presidential election popular vote numbers!!

        • FARFEL

          You miss the point…HE HAD 20 POINT LEAD…It was his to lose & he lost iti…If he had sealed the deal in debates, it never would’ve come down to that one state & 500,000 votes in an election of this size, is meaningless…it is pretty much even! Considering how many illegal aliens voted for Gore The Bore, Bush probably had more votes. You see, these illegal aliens have been driving cars with illegal licenses & voting for many decades…I know a few myself! Come to NYC & I’ll introduce you to your millions of your brethren!!

        • Don 2

          Right nc, and look what a of piece of crap your “people’s choice” turned out to be. Lying through his teeth on man made global warming in order to further his own interest and make himself a multi-millionaire through his investments in green energy, who then sold his television network to Al Jazerra for a fortune. And D-bags like you are actually defending Gore. lol

      • nc

        Dave, very true !! Ralph Nader was the elephant in the room in 2000! He did bush II a great favor!!

      • FARFEL

        Bush kicked his ass in debates, so Bush had something to do with it too. He BEAT HIM LIKE A RENTED MULE!! & if Gore The Bore had won, do you think your life would be better then or now?

        The worst prez in modern times WAS Carter, but now it is 0BAMA hands down! At least Carter cared & was born here!

      • smilee

        Gore actually had more people vote for him

  • tesmith47

    obama bailing out the banks?, but I was told he is a communist?

    • BigGeezer

      obama didn’t bail out the banks… that was tarp… and most of that money has been paid back… unlike the stimulus that was used to reward/payoff obama’s major campaign contributors.

      • PUS POT

        Yeah & build all that infrastructure with all those shovel-ready projects…yeah, we they got them shovels out on shoveled some big time BS on top of us!!

        Funny thing, Dodd-Frank Bill, another intrusive 2,200 page bill of deadly goods hoisted upon us by the DEMs, with so many regs. & codes that is killing small businesses, but it does nothing, ZIPPO, to stop more bailouts of the Big Banks & it was Clinton , with the support of the GOP, that finally killed off the Glass-Steagall Act, so clearly both sides are in bed with Wall St. & the bankers, but only the GOP gets the blame in the MSM & amongst the LOONY TUNES LIBs!!!!

      • tesmith47

        obama’s major campaign contributors.

        1

        like the major weapons manufacturers, owned by republicans?

        • MUSH MOUSE

          How about Solyndra & all those nutty greenies whose companies failed & left the taxpayers with the bill?

          • MUSH MOUSE

            Why couldn’t they do that without Uncle Sam’s money?….you are blind to the 11 green companies that were in bed with OBlahBlah & went belly up! Your Dear Leader is corrupt as they come, just as bad as Cheney, et al.He is in bed with tort lawyers & Big Pharma & Big Health Insurers who will make a fortune on O-Care!

            BTW, Tesla is an electric car, no? Where do you think electricity comes from LOONY LIBTARD?

          • MUSH MOUSE

            Hope you live in Arizona, DOOFUS!! Obozo was no where to be seen on Open Fuel Standard Act!!

          • NickCzudy

            Mush Mouse, that was one failure and there were 50 successes. the ratio of good investments to bad, was only a few percent. That was a good investment. You can rant about Sylindra as much as you want, but that program was a total success.

            Nick Czudy

        • BigGeezer

          are you serious… or just clueless? Do some research and then please come back… just start with a google look at obama… stimulus… campaign kickback… if you’re an honest person you’ll be floored at the paybacks. If you’re not disgusted… you’re just another idiot liberal. And if you do some additional research… you’ll find your ‘major weapons manufactures’ actually gave more to democratic candidates than the republicans received… just like wall street and obuma…

          • Guest

            the numbers speak for themselves

            1
            Finance/Insur/RealEst
            $64,366,147

            36.2%

            55.8%

            2
            Other
            $39,835,444

            51.7%

            35.5%

            3
            Misc Business
            $35,298,027

            38.6%

            53.2%

            4
            Ideology/Single-Issue
            $35,232,729

            45.9%

            42.0%

            5
            Lawyers & Lobbyists
            $25,450,764

            65.8%

            31.7%

            6
            Health
            $24,269,383

            41.6%

            53.5%

            7
            Labor
            $22,463,416

            52.9%

            7.7%

            8
            Communic/Electronics
            $18,333,466

            55.0%

            36.4%

            9
            Energy/Nat Resource
            $16,392,622

            21.9%

            74.8%

            10
            Agribusiness
            $11,538,751

            26.7%

            69.5%

            11
            Construction
            $11,377,093

            25.4%

            61.8%

            12
            Transportation
            $10,328,192

            28.8%

            68.6%

            13
            Defense
            $6,429,317

            38.9%

            60.6%

          • BigGeezer

            what do these numbers have to do with my post … these are current donations… what’s your point?

          • tesmith47

            http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/index.php

            no need to argue with ideologues, the numbers speak for themselves. ,

        • BigGeezer

          and tess when you speak of the major weapons manufacturer you’re speaking of Halliburton… clintons group during his presidency right? And how’s that research coming along?

        • Nadzieja Batki

          So we find ourselves with another useless Leftist with nothing of value to say.

          • tesmith47

            interesting how your class of people cling to right wing fantasy s and fail to even understand what is being said

    • got my licence

      No not a commie, A Facist working on Monarch

      • tesmith47

        not according to lots of folks here, including Wayne.

        • Oldmonkey

          Mussolini’s version of Fascism as did Chang Kai-Sheih’s had group rights mechanisms to blow off steam pacify different interest groups. Had he stayed out of WWII his outcome might have been different. Chang & his half Russian kid died of old age.

    • xoxozo

      Not until he and his cronies stop getting kickbacks

    • Nadzieja Batki

      What would make you think that a communist would not bail out banks if he knew that the government would then own and control all money?

      • tesmith47

        your capitalist friends own and controll all the money, ever hear of the FEDERAL RESERVE??

  • tesmith47

    obama bailing out the banks?, but I was told he is a communist?

  • Merle Dickey

    I guess there will always be those that like to do things illegally.

  • EUGENE

    GEORGE SOROS OWNS MOST OF THE GUN MFG NOW.

    • JeffH

      Yeah…and pigs can fly too!

  • Sic Semper Tyrannis

    and who encouraged him to be so bold??? a GOP that never stood up to him on ANYTHING, that didn’t even vet him!

  • LINDITA

    AS PEOPLE, NO DOUBT ELECTION WAS STOLE IN 2012. BUT, VOTERS DIDN’T PAY ATTENTION FOR THIS DUE TO, ROMNEY CHANGED HIS MIND FROM. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OBAMA’S PROGRAM AND ROMNEY’S PROGRAM WAS A SMALL STEP.

    • smilee

      Stolen only in the minds of simple thinking people.

      • LINDITA

        HYPOCRITE DOESN’T HAS A HORN. LA,LA,LA….

  • Sic Semper Tyrannis

    It’s not like the Establishment GOP ever gave the People a choice: Obamacare or Romneycare from which Obamacare originated. Most of us just stayed home or voted Third Party or write-in candidates. The GOP had already demonstrated to us that they were going to give Obama a pass on anything, so what was the sense in voting for the GOP???

    • Ron r

      If you really believe Obama won because people stayed home or voted third party then you deserve this site and the B /S posted by regressives/ reich wing wackos.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Tell us again why you come to this site.

        • Ron r

          To keep you on your meds.

  • Robbie

    Still whining about the election? Get over it already.

    • xoxozo

      But the damage goes on & on & on & on. When the Libs/Progessives run out of other people’s money NONE of you will have anything to get from the gov. Neither will we. You better wake up!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/asel.wood.7 Asel Wood

        Are you speaking of voter fraud and how piggy thugs racist win elections by fraud? No, you get over it! Oh, go wallow in that!

        • xoxozo

          I think you meant your reply for robbie….I agree WITH you but I got your reply

        • Robbie

          What voter fraud are you talking about? I hear this from time to time by the whiners but when I ask for facts it all goes silent. The whiners think that the President was elected a state Senator by fraud and then elected a federal Senator by fraud and then elected President by fraud and then re-elected President by fraud (by an even bigger victory the second time) and the whiners also say he graduated Columbia University by fraud or that he didn’t even go there and that he graduated Harvard Law by fraud even though they also say he didn’t go there either and of course was hired by Univ. of Chicago by fraud to teach law even though he – supposedly – had no credentials.

          It’s all nonsense whining of course but think about if it was true for just a moment. This has to be one smart fellow who could pull off all that fraud and never get caught!

          • macgyver1948

            Robbie,,, when some people who cannot take losing, especially legally and morally, they whine and look to create excuses. There were some from the Right who complained when they saw large states, geographically speaking, went Blue because to them there had to be fraud. It was really funny to see how far and large the whining became.. LOL

          • Robbie

            Of course I agree with you. The best was on FOX when that Maegan gal simply could not believe the results – she left her newsreader chair and went down the hall to the control room. The camera guy had to scramble and follow her. She demanded to know if the results coming in were not in error and the FOX behind the scenes folks told her that YES, Obama was winning state after state after state! The poor girl went into shock. And then Carl Rove did too. Is that any wonder as he was stating there would be a Mitt landslide right up until Obama swept all the swing states plus the regular blue states. How Rove even shows his face anymore is beyond me.

          • macgyver1948

            Robbie… well, when a Ruppert property does not like a result (especially according to Ruppert), especially when it is true and legit, they go into their wow/despair mode and then when they recover they look for ways to combat the truth. Murdock has plenty of money and clout to do just that. The truth hurts many when the results are not what they want. Carl Rove, the Koch Klan, Norquist, and others like them cannot put out what will do them wrong even if it is all the truth. That is why in so many cases they do not want history remembered.

            Obama won Massachusetts by a nice margin. Obama 1,921,290 60.7% and Romney 1,188,314 37.5%. With this being Governor Romney’s state how could that be? I feel it is because the majority of voters in
            Massachusetts knew Romney and, more importantly, his “desire” to serve the people, or is it a lack of
            desire for the people? They knew him, and what his policies did for them, so they didn’t want him to hurt the entire country. Fox News and the others went into damage control mode and they came up with their kind of responses, the suggested and imagined kinds. Romney was, and maybe still is, an owned and controlled man. Romney works only for his handlers and investors and that might be redundant. But
            Romney is not alone in that of those on his side of the aisle.

      • Robbie

        In ten years you’ll be loving even your watered down version of universal health care. Even sooner in fact. And dopes like Ted Cruz will not even be a memory.

        • xoxozo

          Maybe…unless THEY decide I don’t qualify for the surgery I need OR I die before I can get in..ORRRRRRRR it’s 6 Billion in debt like the wonderful gov’t run PO.. What gov. office does run a surplus…They all need MORE $$$ EVERY YEAR…and I know there’s no corruption????

          • Robbie

            Re: the Post Office. Firstly the PO is forced to turn over tens and hundreds of millions to the general treasury which skews the numbers. Secondly the PO delivers to every single address in the country for virtually pennies even to some kind of Indian village down at the bottom of the Grand Canyon and to some Eskimo igloo on a far reaching Aleutian island. Do you have any idea what U.P.S. would charge you for locations like that?

          • smilee

            They do that now and this law will eliminate much of that. But you are one of those who does not know what is in the bill.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Lies! Lies! Lies! We do not need a $1 trillion dollar tax increase for people that are too lazy to get their own insurance. Plus the fees charged by the IRS of opting out are unconstitutional (violates the commerce clause), and already rates are going through the roof. People in Illinois will be paying 3 times as much as they were before, while we (Sook Young and I) have seen our premiums double. Sorry, but you just can’t lie that good. Get rid of the unconstitutional welfare state and let Americans be self reliant and personally responsible. I gues you don’t believe in earning what you need. Here is an article about you and yours.
            http://www.lastresistance.com/3260/stupidity-root-ruin/
            Here is one about Obama bin Laden and his 2008 campaign about Obama bin Laden Care.
            http://www.lastresistance.com/3253/politico-candidate-obama-made-healthcare-pledge-sake-2008-campaign/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
            “I desire to bless and praise the name of God the most high for appointing me my birth in a land of Gospel Light where the glorious tidings of a Savior and of a pardon and salvation through Him have been continually sounding in my ears.”
            Robert Treat Paine
            Military Chaplain
            Signer of the Declaration of Independence
            Attorney General of Massachusetts
            Judge
            Devout Christian

          • smilee

            The court has proven you know nothing of what you say and has also proven you a liar. The rates are much lower than the CBO projected and the lowest increase in well over a decade so it is you who lies about this and that trillion dollar tax will be more than offset by the savings which you totally ignore which is the equivalent of another lie. Your figures are also another lie as has been widely reported in the last two weeks. Until you get your head out of all this propaganda you will never know the truth…

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Tell that to our State Farm agent. Savings? How is it a savings when the program will be sponsored by a $1 trillion dollar tax increase and the raping of medicare by $500 billion dollars? The court hasn’t proven anyone wrong, bur has shown to be influenced by their personal beliefs abnd feelings. Something they are not supposed to do, seeing they need to be impartial. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.

          • smilee

            The tax only tells the side of the story that only fits your bias, the tax is offset by savings so it is not what you want anyone to believe.. Not one dime was raped from medicare all the same coverage’s are still there in addition to new coverage’s at a cost savings of over 500 billion dollars to medicare. No coverages were taken away and some new ones added thus improving Medicare. Before the law the government was paying 14% more for Medicare C plans than it was paying for the medicare B & A plans and the law now says they have to be paid the same thus saving over 500 billion and this was a good thing as it saved money. You beliefs of the court are only your beliefs and as the court gave different reasons than you so it only proves you are the liar here… If you had read the opinion you would also know that they did go by the Constitution and not personal feeling or any other idiotic reason you can conger up

        • smilee

          That is why the GOP is so afraid of it not being defunded as they know when people get to use it they will like it and they will not stand a chance of doing anything about it.

      • grassroot

        Right as you are being used by the radical leftist
        Marxists who will impoverish this country ,
        destroy the middles class and turn us into a

        communist state.

        • Robbie

          When is it when the U.S. will go communistic? Will that be in the next couple of years would you say?

          • macgyver1948

            Robbie…WOW is this a Right pipe dream about the Left or what? Most liberals, if not all, will fight against going Commie and we will also fight going to far Right to being Fascist too.

          • xoxozo

            If things don’t turn around it will happen in the next 10 years. Look up “the 45 goals of communism” written in 1958 in the “Naked Communist”. Many of them are completed and many are close.
            Mc Carthy was right…just went too far too quick. But some of these goals were used against him.

          • Robbie

            I suggest you put away stuff from 1958 and open your eyes to what has really gone on in the actual world. I don’t know anything about your so-called 45 goals of Communism but was one of them that all of the eastern European communist states would dump communism and join the west? Somehow I don’t think so. And was one of the goals of communism that East Germany would actually vote to dissolve itself, tear down the wall and join West Germany? Somehow I rather doubt it. And was another goal of communism that the Soviet Union would dump communism altogether? And how about Cuba now adopting and allowing private business and, by the way, do you have any idea about how capitalistic “Communist” China has become? Time to wake up and put away those failed predictions from 1958!!!

          • Don 2

            Hey Hockey Puck,
            Oh brilliant one from the north country…..try going to Communist China or Cuba and protesting government policies. See how that works out for you?

          • xoxozo

            I can see you didn’t take the time to look at them,,,10 mins…and you say I’m not knowledgeable??? Please!!!

            You would have seen that many of them are already in place in America…NOT Europe.

            Goodbye

          • Robbie

            And I can see you made no comment on how communism has fallen by the way side in country after country including the very centre – the Soviet Union.

            In any case perhaps you’d care to share with us those communist things that have or are about to take over America. I’m sure readers here are curious about your contentions.

          • xoxozo

            There are 45 goals and it would take too long to type all of them. Here is the link to them…. If you don’t care enough to take 5 mins to check on it then I don’t have the 15 mins to type them. http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

            They were important enough to be read into the congressional record in 1960. Since then the Progressives have bee implemented slowly.

            Another interesting fact of the history of it is Dr. Bella Dodd’s testimony before congress http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isxEwBxmS5c

            BTW I am NOT catholic, just concerned about what’s happening to our country.

          • Robbie

            I didn’t ask for 45 examples. I only asked for you to inform readers of ONE. Just one thing that shows that America is about to go communist. You say I don’t care to read all 45 but it seems you can’t even summarize ONE. Just ONE. YOU have made a charge but refuse to back it up with even one example!!! I say you’ve got nothing other than some nonsense from the 1950’s. You have no credibility.

          • Robbie

            Yes, I saw this earlier. Too much to respond to just now.

      • macgyver1948

        xoxozo… Generalizing about a group you do not like will never make what you say correct. I am a Liberal but I do not want your money, just mine, and I bet so many Libs/Progessives feel the same.

        • xoxozo

          Say what you will but the Progressives are taxing more and more, soon even you will not have YOUR money

          • macgyver1948

            xoxozo… Say waht I want? Ok… If many people lose their money it will not be only because of the efforts of the Left, or Progressives as you call them. Open your eyes to what the Tea Party and the GOP in congress owned by Tea are doing and for whom they are doing it..

    • KG

      LOL! AFK! BRB!

      • macgyver1948

        Hi KG…. It goes on being amusing in here with the articles form writers such WAR and then to read how many here agree with them.

  • LINDITA

    AS PEOPLE, IN THIS MOMENT WE BELIEVE TO GIVE OUR DONATIONS JUST BUSH-CHENEY FAMILIES. OBAMA MUST LEAVE FROM THE OFFICE NOW. AMEN!

    • http://www.facebook.com/asel.wood.7 Asel Wood

      You got that right!

    • macgyver1948

      Then do your best to evict Obama from office but you will not get enough people to back you up. Is this another of your country songs with your screaming?

      • LINDITA

        SCREAM IS FOR YOU, ONE PERCENT IN AMERICA AND BEYOND, A BEAUTIFUL SONG IS FOR AMERICANS. BREAK A NECK!

      • LINDITA

        AS PEOPLE, OBAMA LET STAY IN OFFICE BUT, WE THE PEOPLE DON’T TRUST HIM.

  • xoxozo

    Read the reply above..it goes for you too!!!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Heeere we go again. Same old nonsense from Shill Dave:
      The National Debt under Reagan increased $1754 Billion, for an average of $291 Billion a year.
      The National Debt under Bush 1 increased $1493 Billion, for an average of $373 Billion a year.
      The National Debt under Clinton increased $1485 Billion, for an average of $185 Billion a year.
      The National Debt under Bush 2 increased $5037 Billion, for an average of $629 Billion a year.
      The National Debt under Obama has increased $6254 Billion so far, for an average of $1316 Billion a year.

      Obama has increased the National Debt 4.5 times faster than Ronald Reagan.

      • ron

        i’d rather be a “corporatist”? real American than a welfare scumbag like you

        • JeffH

          Ignoramus Dave47D makes as much sense in what he has to say as a sack of hammers…and he still doesn’t get it!

          Without the support and the open hand of a corrupt government your so called “coporatist’s” wealth accumulation would be at the mercy of the Capitalist’s free markets rather than through the wealth redistribution of government forced and backed crony capitalism.

          Maybe some day you’ll sort it all out and get a clue .

          • JeffH

            Ignoramus Dave47D says “And maybe a dumbell like you will support getting big money out of the political process… you know… the ones that pay for their policies?

            However you came up with that idea really isn’t baffling anymore but, speaking to a fool, if you could read and comprehend you’d see that what I just posted wasn’t in any way, shape or form a call of support for crony capitalism…quite the opposite.

            Gee whiz ya big dummy…do you even have half a clue in the ignorance of what you are saying?

            In other words, Ignoramus Dave47D, YOU are clearly a classic example of why “stupid is forever”.

          • JeffH

            Admit it Ignoramus Dave47D, you are just an immature and hatefull child with severe anger issues.

            If it makes you feel any better, keep your adolescent attacks coming…to the adults in the room they’re like water running off of a ducks back.

            Now seek some help!

        • Ron r

          Yeah military retirement and USPS retirement. I’m a real welfare bum

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Actually you are a real welfare bum. See, it wasn’t that difficult to admit what we already knew.

          • Ron r

            Actually you are an idiot. Now go play!

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Why don’t you like your fellow human predators that used the advantage that they got from the government to put competition out of business and then thought they would make money hand over fist preying on the American consumer. Then they got greedier sending the jobs oversees and having cheap labor overseas making crap that Americans don’t necessarily want but they found themselves working and dealing with the foreign variety of human predators who were more cunning in business transactions and now find that money isn’t coming in their direction.

      • JeffH

        How do the Obama deficits compare with past presidents? And how did the national debt get so big anyway.

        The National Debt Road Trip
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P5yxFtTwDcc

        Government officials are parasites, they don’t produce anything; they only feed off of those who do. The fatter the government, the skinnier the people. And when government officials cannot meet their obligations or fulfill the promises they made to the public, they’ll figure out ways to appropriate the public’s money to fund their projects. Government officials don’t produce wealth, they only redistribute your wealth. Desperate government officials will always resort to expropriation, which is outright confiscation.

        Ignorant progressives like Ignoramus Dave47D can’t control freedom, liberty, or any society which enjoys these inalienable rights. The fundamental desire of all progressives is to control all others by force for their own benefit.

        Freedom (aka free will) allows every individual to make winners or losers of themselves, the right to self-determination. Progressives want the power to create
        winners and losers, always based upon making winners of those who support their political agenda, and losers of those who stand opposed.

        In America, freedom and liberty are not luxuries afforded by our elected officials at the whim of their political ambitions. Freedom is not a gift from congress, the White House or the Supreme Court.

        A society which places its trust in a higher power will always know better than to trust simple men with dominion over mankind. As our Founders stated quite
        clearly, freedom and liberty are suited only for a moral people. – JB Williams

        • JeffH

          Such immaturity from Ignoramus Dave47D helps to define who and what he is…a childishly ignorant and immature progressive that has no credibility whatsoever.

      • Deputy Dawg

        So, you see, it does not matter who wins as long as they are 2 sides of the same coin? The dark forces have taken over the souls of both left & right…we need a new viable 3rd party not beholden to the lobbyists & inherent corruption…but the people have been dumbed down to sheeple & can;t see what is going on!

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        You make no sense, Shill Dave. But why should that surprise us?

      • NickCzudy

        Dave.

        The number is going up because the income is going up every year. You have to measure the Income with the spending and the percentage is what determines if the DGP is going up or down. Obama has improved the deficit by 590 billion less that when he started.
        Ask an economist. Your method is flawed.
        No problem.
        Nick

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Yeah sure, Nick, whatever you say.
          Perhaps you could post some evidence to support your nonsense?
          I just showed you the Deficit numbers. They weren’t less, they were more. Even an idiot could figure that out.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH… Yes you did show us all the deficit numbers and thank you for that.

            One of the things I am concerned about is how many large corporations are running in the black while there are still low job creations, as well as many non-livable wages. Now we should know it is the corporate
            execs who are the real job creators in the private sector, not the government who can only offer incentives. We should also know the GOP
            incentive offerings, some known as “Trickle Down” does not work, perhaps because it assumes the execs will use the incentives as intended but many do not, so why does the Right seem to be supporting only the Big Corporations and not the rest of us in almost they do? More proof of that is how we are being threatened with government shutdowns which will hurt millions of Americans if carried out. It will not hurt the TP/GOP who are threatening it all just to hurt Obama with that apathy toward us. Even if the TP/GOP don’t go through with tat nasty threat they are scaring the life out of millions. Are they bullies or worse? So why are so many large corporations doing well but not creating jobs and offering more livable wages as much as our economy needs? I say it is greed, pure and simple. It is not Obama’s fault for the lack of jobs in the private sector as the Right would have us believe. Take a
            look at this site, it is an article written back in March but the article is still true today. I’m not sure the FED is always helpful but they try.

            http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/04/business/economy/corporate-profits-soar-as-worker-income-limps.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

            One more question TheOriginalDaveH. Since it so often looks as though the Right in Congress is not on our side who do you think they are representing?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            How would the GOP “shut down” Government, MacGyver, by stopping the increase of the Debt Limit? And where does it end if we let them throw good money after bad?
            Would you let your kids keep your credit card if they ran over their limit and kept on charging? Somebody has to be responsible here.
            To answer your last question — Neither major party is on our side. Most of the Leaders in both parties are feathering their own nests at the rest of our expense. That’s what Leaders do when they can get away with it.
            Read this common-sense article by Murray Rothbard:
            http://www.lewrockwell.com/1970/01/murray-n-rothbard/before-the-last-republican-revolution/

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH… This morning I went to the link you offered last night. The book title itself is interesting and I may buy it just to see if there is anything new in it. We have known for so long, since the Founders
            time, there were connections between government officials, both elected and appointed, and Big money form Corporations and others. That can scare all of us as Americans. Well, scare all but the those who benefit form the connections at our expense.

            Now to respond to this comment of yours. You start with “How would the GOP “shut down” Government, MacGyver, by stopping the increase of the Debt Limit? And where does it end if we let them throw good money after bad?”.

            First of all, TheOriginalDaveH, a loyal, just, fair minded, compassionate country, such as the US is
            supposed to be, would not use threats, which could severely scare so many Americans, to get what they want. That is bully-ism.

            There must be compassionate and prudent ways to do what we may both agree is a need to cut spending. The treat is a bullies way of getting what he wants with no concern for who he may hurt. This degree of threat
            is similar to a gangster grabbing an innocent young girl, putting a knife to her throat, and saying to us. “If you do not do what I want of you I will cut her throat and that will be on your soul” but on a larger scale. Nice bit of criminal thinking there I think but it is just like that with what the TPGOP are doing. And if they
            do the shutdown they will hurt so many of us and many may not be able to recover from it. It shows the bully’s total lack of compassion and his greed at the same time. Is this one of the thoughts, to thin out the heard so to speak, so there will be so many less of us for the
            government to spend on, therefore needing less Social Security and Medicare, for example? This more than lacks compassion and concern for the people of this country, it reeks of criminal activity and
            treason toward “We The People” by those of our leaders who do either the threat and/or the shutdown. They will be betraying us just to cut expenses, cut taxes even when taxes are needed for the economy
            to prosper or just survive, to hurt ObamaCare and all this is for what? It is to benefit and protect the big corporate money they are working for. “either do it my ways or you will regret it badly”.

            I repeat, “It is to benefit and protect the big corporate money they are working for.” Man I bet you and your side are making the US Founders turn over in their graves with severe anger toward you and those you support in your way for these threats and the maybe follow through.

            I doubt you will allow yourself to even think about what I am saying here, let alone agree with me, so maybe the following old guys will get you to think about who you are supporting. Maybe you have heard of them, maybe(?). Have fun with this short read.

            “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin said this.

            “I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.” – Thomas Jefferson

            Thomas Jefferson got it right when in 1802 he wrote, “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the
            banks will deprive the people of all property—until their children wake up homeless in the continent their fathers conquered.”

            “If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.”
            ~President George Washington

            “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government – lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.­”- Patrick Henry –

            “Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?” Thomas Jefferson

            “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who
            pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln

            And just for fun: “This corruptions we speak of comes from corporate greed, regardless of corporate type, supported by the eagerness of many of our politicians, for the purposes of taking corporate money to help
            support themselves and, of course, the Corporations”. Macgyver1948. No, I do not think of myself in the same league as the Founders. I am only expressing my First Amendment Rights. I like the company though.

            By the way TheOriginalDaveH. I knew neither party, or any for that matter perhaps, is on our side totally but one is more so than the others. That is our problem and within our control to change. The Founders gave us hints on how to do that. Well, the nice and peaceful ways are my vote. We have no one to blame but ourselves for continuing to vote into office the same kinds of politicians who are corruptible by huge corporate monies. We need to make them more fearful of us, the voters, for their careers than they are of their party or the big money or any conflict-of-interest
            pledges or it will never work. Nothing can make it work if we do not take control of our government. The Constitution was given to us to protect us for Government, not the other way around. So Congress does not have the right to alter our Constitution without the People’s permission, that is “We The People” to you.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            MacGyver says — “First of all, TheOriginalDaveH, a loyal, just, fair minded, compassionate country, such as the US is supposed to be, would not use threats, which could severely scare so many Americans, to get what they want. That is bully-ism.”.
            This being said by a Liberal Progressive who votes for people who Forcefully steal other people’s money as if it is their own.

            MacGyver says — “Well, the nice and peaceful ways are my vote”.
            Then you vote Libertarian? If not, there is nothing peaceful about the Force of Government. So who do you think you’re kidding, MacGyver?

            Just those two sentences of yours tell me that slogging through your whole comment is not worth the effort, and I have some real work to do.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH… I am not trying to fool anyone TheOriginalDaveH. I think you should stop kidding yourself. I do not see anyone in the Libertarian Party I would support, certainly not Rand Paul, he is way
            to phony and paid for. I see you do refuse to find out for yourself. Too lazy or too brainwashed in the negative to do your own research??? Good for you, stay that way, Tea would not want you any other way even if you are not a member.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re showing your ignorance, MacGyver.
            Rand Paul is not a Libertarian.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH… I never cared what label we put on him he is not for the people of this country, he is for the corporations and he is a boring long windbag. He is just on the Right.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            NewsFlash, MacGyver. Rand Paul is the least of the Crony Politicians in the Senate. He may not be as Libertarian as I’d like, but he certainly leans a lot more in that direction than you do. Whether you’re really a Shill (as I suspect) or not, you are at the least clueless. The vast majority of both the Democrats and the Republicans serve their Crony Capitalists, and in some cases the same ones.
            The Democrats just have you fooled, like the smooth-talking psychopaths they are.

          • macgyver1948

            Well, it is the Shill Pill TheOriginalDaveH
            again… See how easy it is to accuse someone even when you have no proof? And all you have is your mind’s desire to put down those who do not share your views. That is so typical of your side. Your side must love you.

            I have been telling you and others for a long time I know, as you say here, “The vast majority of both the Democrats and the Republicans serve their Crony Capitalists, but we can include Libertarians as well. I suspect not all but most. Many of the politicians cannot
            support the costs of campaigns so they hope for and rely on huge “investments” made by people who are expecting returns on their investments, many very wealthy and powerful investors. Then there are those
            Mafia-like conflict-of-interest pledges many have signed and have to comply with the rules of those pledges OR ELSE (which is the Mafia-like part).

            Consider the following TheOriginalDaveH, yeah of little compassion and respect for those who do not agree with your beliefs. I wrote the below earlier today and I will include an email I received today and my comments on what that email I believe is saying. I bet even you are smart enough to tell the differences
            between that email and my comments on it, which is my wording and which is their’s. I bet you think I think these things alone – all by myself, just as your side would like you to think of the millions on the Left individually who may agree with me, and me with them. :-)

            Here goes:

            The evil that men do to other people and in these cases the evil is done in the name of their selfish greed and it is against us indirectly with great apathy but do directly to hurt Obama. I guess “We The
            People” do not count to them, since we are the pawns in this in their actions, if you threaten at least but more so if they go through with a Government Shutdown.

            There is no evil like the evil men do behind the cloak of (phony) respectability. That is my paraphrasing of the well known quote but it so fits. There is a whole lotta rotten in Tea land.

            I received this email today and it has to be shared.

            888

            BREAKING NEWS: HOUSE REPUBLICANS WILL ATTACH ONE-YEAR DELAY OF OBAMACARE ON
            FUNDING BILL, FORCING GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN

            This literally just happened:

            With 2 days until the government runs out of money, House Republicans have made their choice. They’re voting THIS AFTERNOON to force a government shutdown unless they get a one-year delay of
            Obamacare.

            Steve — President Obama has made his position
            clear. It doesn’t matter if it’s a one-year, two-year, or two-day delay — we will not delay or defund Obamacare just to satisfy Ted Cruz and the Tea Party Republicans.

            888

            Sometime evil just doesn’t give up if they cannot find any right reasons to do what they think should be accomplished. Hurt many people, don’t hurt
            many people, who cares just so they get what they want.

            Oh, I see you feel Rand Paul is engaging in expect able levels of his kind of evil, less than some others on your side. That is very loyal and compassionate of you…

            I prefer to think of the political “smooth-talking psychopaths” as those who support things such as the Mafia-like pledges and would hurt millions with government shutdowns in support for the greedy as
            their justifications. The psychopathic mind does not care about those they hurt to achieve there desires. Say hi to your Rand Paul, he is in this statement somewhere.

        • smilee

          Davie is not very good at math which he has proven time and time again, he also has selective facts.

      • macgyver1948

        Hi TheOriginalDaveH, nice to see you. Much of the increases during Obama’s first term were left overs from the little bush years. Some little bush policies didn’t go into effect until after Obama took office. Much of the debt Obama inherited was from the little bush
        wars and economic programs. We will never learn if we forget or ignore history.

        Now before you jump on me there are things Obama did I do not feel comfy with but he is still the better choice when we consider the alternatives he ran against. Romney is very good at closing companies and dumping employees all for the benefit of
        himself and his investors. I call that “BAINing”. He is
        also good at sending jobs overseas, just ask some in Massachusetts as you also ask how many there felt about his RomenyCare there. And can you guess what he modeled RomenyCare after which failed nationally in Congress in the early 1990’s? Also ask why Romney lost big in Massachusetts when he ran for President. I think it is because so many there knew him and how he worked as a politician.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Ron Paul would have cleaned up the mess instead of whining about whose fault it was. Your excuse only washes, MacGyver, if Obama had made an honest effort to cut the Spending. Instead he actually pushed for more laws (e.g. Healthcare) and more spending.
          You need to study some economics, MacGyver. Revamping companies, before they sink into the abyss and lay off all their workers, is the most beneficial action for the most people. Afterwards the customers get cheaper and better products, and most of their workers still have a job, a more secure job.
          Jobs going overseas is what companies must do when the Progressives have made it impossible for them to make a profit here. You know, profit, that thing that each of us likes when it’s our own, but that Liberal Progressives hate when it’s somebody else’s.
          Obamacare was modeled after Romneycare, MacGyver. So you’re dissing Obamacare?
          If you really are a MacGyver, then you should read this book and see what those regulations, which you Liberal Progressives fawn over, are really all about:
          http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Ripoff-Business-Government/dp/0471789070

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH… That is only your opinion on what you intimate Obama did not do or at least try. As for Rand Paul, you have to be kidding about his not
            whining. Anyway, he endorsed a Mafia-like pledge which goes against what this country stands for. That is the Norquist pledge I am referring to as the no-way-out Mafia like pledge for the signers. If all you do is read it, as short as it is he wording is simple, you
            will not know it until you look into what Norquist is doing behind it. The signers of it, over 270 GOP in Congress as well as others, have to do as he tells them to do so who are those TPGOPers really representing? I know I have asked that before in here. Rand Paul will
            do as he is told. Oh, and during the presidential campaign Norquist said “Don’t worry about Romney, he will do as he is told”. Those signers are afraid for their careers so they comply.

            Norquist baited his hook by promising loads of campaign $support, winning elections and lots of other things. With goodies like this what greedy politician could resist? Now they are in that no-way out situation. He said, and I quote him, “those who violate their oath
            will be toast” meaning their careers will be toast. Isn’t it nice that we have many politicians who have to vote in Congress as they are told? Some repetition but this was fun. But it is funny that in the last few months some of the signers are wanting out. I guess some
            have consciences after all. Remember I said your Rand Paul endorsed the Norquist Pledge. :-).

            I should study Economics huh? Well, I didn’t study much of that in school, just the required classes so you could be right. But for you to say “Revamping companies, before they sink into the abyss and
            lay off all their workers, is the most beneficial action for the most peoples” is bordering on the absurd, if not over-bordering. How are all those who have been downsized or BAINed or just let go because
            the accountants say to the execs “lower your expenses” being benefited? A lot of families involved in those “get out of here, you are no longer employed”. That is Right wing apathy in that thinking. By the way, payroll is the easiest expense to control.

            Exes, especially in large corporations, stay as far away for the employees as they can. I guess it is easier for them to get rid of unwanted payroll that way. The Execs come up with slogans such as “do more
            with less” and they demand compliance. Fewer workers now have to do the work of more people so more is being done for less and it is sweet just so the execs are not the ones doing the more.

            Let me ask you who is really benefiting. Beside lowering expenses the main functions of execs is to increase the bottom line, protect the corporate image at all costs, expand when we can and keep as much
            money at the top as possible. There are others but those are the main ones. Now we know big corporate execs receive very lucrative contracts worth many $millions in salary, bonuses and perks and
            bennies. If the execs want contract renewals and hopefully raises, generally a much higher percentage than they offer employees, they must keep the board of directors and the top shareholders very happy.
            They could get no renewal if the board and the top shareholders are not happy with their performance. Now my questions. With all that in the execs minds what are their real incentives? To care about distant
            lowly employees or their own contracts? Why aren’t there enough jobs and ones with livable wages being created to help the economy? I think I answered that in this.

            A personal note. When I worked for Walmart as an IT Business Analyst in their home office our office’s retiring VP told us in his last speech to us “I want to thank you all for all the work you did for Walmart
            and me but we have to always remember everything is for the benefit and protection of the of Big Walmart”. This is not an exclusive Walmart attitude in the corporate world.

            By the way, another huge expense is also regulations and many of those are needed for the country’s benefit, some badly needed. Why are the TPGOP helping the execs do away with those expenses too? I am talking about the many needed regulations, not the ones that are excessive and unneeded.

            Then you say “Afterwards the customers get cheaper and better products, and most of their workers still have a job, a more secure job” Are you serious? Many products our US corporations export to us here are
            not better products but made with less cheaper quality. Where do you get your rap on this from? Many products coming from China, for example, are far from “better”. Another personal story. Also Walmart buyers and some sales associates told me a joke about RCA
            since they moved their manufacturing to China and their rating proves it. “RCA now means “Really Crappy Appliance”. Funny, huh?

            Corporations moved manufacturing overseas to lower expenses and that includes figuring in import taxers and shipping and other payouts. All Americans are losing out because of GREED. The apathy you express for the out of work workers caused by corps moving overseas is the Right way of looking at it, LOL.

            Yes, I know every company deserves to make a profit but what difference does it make if the unemployed cannot buy products? Liberals know Profit is necessary too for a company but it is your Right side that wants you to believe we do not know that. Do you think there are no liberal business owners and ones who do not want profit? Your generalizations of Liberals is not only wrong as it usually is of us but it is typical of what your side wants you to believe of us. Don’t you guys ever get tired of being wrong about us so often? LOL. You are also nutz when you say we “Liberal Progressi ves hate when it’s somebody else’s”. That too is more Right TP BS about us. You are so in tune with that they want of you that your own thought processes stopped working. If you want to know the truth about other people just ask them instead of zombieing yourselves to what you are told by your side.

            Thank you for including “Obamacare was modeled after Romneycare, MacGyver. So you’re dissing Obamacare?”. Actually The Mandate and other GOP things, which Romney had in his RomneyCare, was from a GOP attempt at National Health Care in the early 1990’s and Congress failed it because it was no good. When Obama sent his ObamaCare to
            committee it did not have the GOP stuff in it but when it returned it did. Obama said he did not want that stuff in OCare but the GOP told him if it wasn’t included they would make it fail. That is called the political compromise which can get it done but it also so
            often hurts us. I want the GOP Mandate out of Ocare and other things as well, mostly the failed GOP things. I wonder why the GOP allowed it and why the SCOTUS said it was “Constitutional. Could it be so they had something more and undeserved to blame on Obama? Yeah, I do diss ObamaCare in the parts that I feel should not be in it. It should be all about We The People and not about the selfish fights between the parties.

            Reading the books on regulations, OK. Well there are so many needed regulations, many which will help keep us from drinking poisoned water or breathing foul air or eating vegetation from poisoned ground if it at all is left up to the corporations. Many oil pipelines and
            fracking practices will kill the environment. And then there are the regs that protect us from unscrupulous Execs who are in it to lower their expenses and who do not care who else it hurts. What about regs that keep pension plans safe from unscrupulous and greedy execs? I want Monsanto stopped with a lot of what they are doing with product ingredients and keeping it secret on labels. I want Tobacco totally outlawed for the average per year that industry kills, some 440,000 a year according to the CDC, The American Heart Association and the American Cancer Society and more and more doctors. Sorry, (not really) just wanted to put that tobacco poison thing in but why do you think tobacco is still legal? :-). Beyond that we need regulations so we can live safely and cleanly as well as to curtail the greed and apathy. Without regs the corporations would go wild at our expense as they lower their expenses and raise their profits. All to keep the
            Boards of Directors and top Shareholders smiling big, well for contract renewals too with higher whatevers for the execs.

            How can I really be Macgyver when Richard Dean Anderson is the one? I just like the character who will fight against corporate corruptions and help people who need help without looking for returns. Thanks for
            mentioning my screen name but I have used this screen name online, as well as one or two others, since the mid 1980’s. I like the character but I bet the Right would hate him if he were real. He would make it
            harder for the Right minded politicians to do their jobs exclusively for the wealthy and the big corporations. I bet Macgyver would want needed regulations.

            I will check out your suggested link when I am more awake, it’s after 2 am here now.

            Shalom to you TheOriginalDaveH.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            We exhausted your Norquist Pledge nonsense a long time ago, MacGyver. The fact that you are repeating it tells me that you aren’t a genuinely concerned citizen, and that you are likely another Shill.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH,,, Oh no, you did it again, you called me a shill. LMAO. I see you call others shills but it always seems you do that when you do not agree
            with them. Doesn’t shill imply being paid for the work to confuse and disrupt? Well, where is my money and who is it coming from? LOL.

            I am still writing and speaking about the conflict-of-interest Norquist pledge because it is still strongly around and it is still a huge danger to the country. It controls the signors, over 270 GOP in Congress and others, and it TELLS them how and what to vote for in
            Congress. IF you only read the short pledge you will be fooled by it. I told you it needs to be looked into and see what Norquist has promised those who sign it to hook them and what he also promises to do to those who violate it. “They are ‘toast’” if they violate
            it. Rand Paul endorsed it, which in itself is more reason not to trust him. Their careers are over if they violate the pledge and Norquist has the money and clout to do all that and more. I guess you are just too lazy to find the truth.

            If you think it is only about taxes you are in the coma they want you to be in, or maybe you are the shill. Good for you, :-)

            Me, a shill… LOL… :-)

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I previously proved that you are misinforming people, MacGyver. For you to continue that misinformation, tells me that you are a Shill, no matter how much you pretend otherwise.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH…You proved nothing. You just type empty thoughts with no prof of anything, just what is stuck in your head. I am beginning to now see you might be a Tea shill where I didn’t before. Your denials of what
            you will not agree with are getting to programmed.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            If there’s anybody who cares, they are free to look up the info as I did and see that you’re blowing smoke up their hiney.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH… What “info”? Are you awake when you look it up? I do extensive research before I write and my eyes are wide open and I read what comes out of the Left and the Right. If you aren’t reading both sides
            your info is flat.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Extensive research my arse. Where do you get your nonsense — the View?

    • http://www.facebook.com/asel.wood.7 Asel Wood

      There isn’t any excuse for Obama and his flunkies to see that the kettle was boiling over with debt. Have any idea where all of that money went for boosting the economy.?
      They must have shoved it where the sun never shines!

    • xoxozo

      You forgot…”I’ll cut the debt in half by my first term” Owebama. He’s done more than ALL Pres. from the past.
      I think BOTH parties are to blame…but they’ve got us divided to keep the things they do hidden…
      Obama has had 5 years to do somthing about the economy…he’s done nothing…oh except give subsides to all his cronies and push a HORRIBLE nt’l helath care that HE NOW ANY OF CONGRESS or SUPREME COURT HAVE TO TAKE. Why should we subsidize the aides healthcare??? Let their bosses…,CONGRESS pay for them the same way a business has to cover theirs. OR they could cut staff hahahahahahahahaha never happen!!

      • NickCzudy

        xoxozo.

        “Obama has done nothing in the last 5 years’
        Actually he saved America’s ass and economy. He brought the economic bleeding to a halt and started a slow recovery. Millions of jobs were created.
        Corporations have been making record profits.
        The stock market is at an all time high. He has put through 200’s of bills, to improve women’s equality in the workplace. he has ended a war in Iraq. He killed Bin Ladin. He has kept the USA out of another war in

        this is out of my head. If I felt like looking up the lists of how much he did, I would be here all night and this does not deserve that much time.

        He has finally taken the only western country that did not have universal healthcare closer to what the rest of the world has. An equal health system for all Americans. This is a system that would not leave them in the dirt if they did not have insurance. The health care industry has made unopposed record profits. That is why they have paid the GOP fighting against Obamacare over 100 million dollars. That is called bribery. That is the reason that the GOP are fighting so hard to abolish it. They will lose this cash cow into their election coffers. the lies and mis-information is being eaten up by those under the Right Wing Bubble. the majority of Americans can see through this type of partisan rhetoric.
        I agree with you that the government employees should participate in this plan as well as Americans.
        I also think that the Congressmen should take a 20% cut in pay, like that forced because of the Sequestration.
        Now if the obstructionist congress would have debated and compromised during their term, the economy would have recovered much faster.
        So I mostly dissagree with your analysis of the economy.
        regards
        Nick Czudy

        • xoxozo

          Yes the top 1% has made lots of $$ due to the crony capitalism. Millions of jobs have been lost due to his war on energy. The Healthcare industry has the lowest profit margin of most other industries. The New York Times has a bigger margin.
          The American healthcare system was the BEST in the world. Rulers and others have come from the world around to get healthcare here. NO MORE!! Even the unions & IRS don’t want it. The Congress gets an exemption, their aides get subsidized by the taxpayer. If their hired by the congress, let them pay for their ees. If I’m their boss. I’ m going to cut the labor force. When Owebama, congress, the supreme court and all the other gov’t employees have to enlist in what they voted in for us THEN it will be equal.

          He killed Bin Laden in partnership with the Bush terrorist…oops.. man made indecents program. You’re right you would be up all night finding TRUE accomplishments.
          You sound like you like a socialist system. Why don’t you move to Venezula, Cuba, China etc??? You can get all the equal care you seem to want.
          I bekieve it is Obama that has REFUSED to meet with the Congress, except for once during these 5 yrs.
          Obama is NOT running this country…It’s Soros through Jarret with Obama being the spokes person, It;s about the only thing he does well.

          • NickCzudy

            xoxozo. Crony Capitalism is rampant.
            Obama has not had a war on energy as the GOP insist.
            There is more drilling and mining that at any other time.
            He is just being careful that more environmental damage does not take place by rushing and not being careful
            Your statement that the healthcare industry has the lowest profit margin is not true. The costs in the USA are more than double than all of the other western countries, because there is a lot of profit being taken by the private Administrators and the same in the insurance industry. This adds two extra sources of capital drain that are causing the huge costs. Even non profit College hospitals have been making huge profits. the portion of the GDP that is gobbled up by the health industry is double of any other country.
            as far as the system being the best in the world, that has never been determined. Certainly in the minds of the HMO’s. That was a smoke screen to justify the money that they were charging.
            Now a days, I could get better care in Cuba.
            Every country has good healthcare.
            In the past a lot of money went into research and most of the medical discoveries came from the USA. With the cutbacks that have occurred, that lead has been taken over by other countries.
            As for Obama’s accomplishments. In his first two years he put through over 200 bills and kept 96% of his campaigner promises.Once the GOP won the house in 2010, progress has come to a halt. Even with that, he has accomplished more than any other president.
            Right Wing Bubble rule #7 Always say that George Soros is controlling Obama
            that is not true and getting tiresome as is Benghazi and IRS scandal. The GOP is run by the Koch brothers in the same vein. But thanks for your thoughts.
            sinvere regards
            Nick Czudy

          • xoxozo

            And most of the 200 bills took away our freedoms or gave us MORE regulation. I don’t want the gov to take care of EVERY aspect of my life. We did fine and were the most powerful and economically secure country for the last 100 yrs. WHY did everyone want to come to this country???
            NOT FOR universal healthcare.

            The most important campaign promise was to reduce the debt. Remember, Bush was unpatriotic and a criminal for his debt? What about “If you want to keep your Ins, you can”? You’re premiums will go down by $2500.00, You can keep your DR.? ” NO death panels”

            I’m a woman and my rights were just fine…I could go as far as I wanted AND DID!!! Nobody had to just give it to me. I am also over 60 and remember the opportunities that were available to me WITH a good education AND it didn’t have to be with college unless you chose it.
            Affirmative action and desegregation have been in place for 40 and 50 yrs. EVERYONE has the opportunity to get ahead. One of the reasons they don’t is due to the poor educational system that is in place with the liberal curriculum. When I graduated I KNEW how to spell, do math and read well. Now only 57% have the skills to go on to college. My husband was born IN Mexico. Took advantage of the school system and became a success. Even he is against the EASY STREET attitude that is acceptable today. Drop the bar and ALL will be ok????
            I don’t mean this to be sarcastic, but if Cuba sounds sooooo good. Why stay in this horrible situation? Denounce your citizenship, move there and be happy.

            You and I will never agree nor change the others mind so we might as well end and go on to other things. Thank you for the interesting conversation.
            I will wait for your last comment and we’ll leave it there.

          • Jack

            xoxoozo:

            There was no campaign promise in 2008 to reduce the debt. So how could it have been the most important one?

          • xoxozo

            On Feb 23, 2008 Obama pledged to cut the 1.3 trillion debt in half…google it,

        • Sharalyn Ayers

          are you for real? do you have a job? or are you one of the freeloaders, just hanging out waiting for your ‘free’ stuff that I am paying for…There is medicaid, medicare, and many other services for those who do not work that the working class already pays for. and obamacare was supposed to provide for every American, and now we hear that 30 million will still not be covered by it, yet those of us already paying will soon be paying double. YOU are an idiot. Get a friggin job and buy your own damn insurance. why in the hell should the working class pay for anything for someone who is perfectly capable of working. 47% of this country sucks from the government tit, trouble is the government tit is bankrupt. so when it collapses because the working class see no pint in getting out of bed because the government takes 80% of their pay, the working class will soon throw in the towel… ever hear the saying, “if you can’t beat em, join em! well get, ready!

          • NickCzudy

            Hi Sharalyn –

            I own a company with 12 employees.. My taxes pay for the dole that the 47 percent of your party suck from our government. I have not had an opportunity to receive a single penny from the Gov. You are hearing 30 million will not be covered by Obamacare. It is one of those GOP facts that the Right Wing pull out of their A$$es.. Don’t worry, you will get your Obamacare. I not only have a job. I am one of those capitalists that makes things that you mooches like to take and complain after you take it. Obama care will pay for itself shortly. All of the Right Wing Rhetoric that has been flowing out of the mouths of GOP has been all made up. It will prove to be as much hot air as has been spent in the predictions on the 2012 election. It is such a sad think that you are totally mesmerized by the elite that produce all of your propaganda. You really need to think on your own.
            good night.
            Nich Czudy

        • Don 2

          Nick,

          What’s it like to live in La-La-Land? Obama saved America’s economy? The stock market is at an all time high?

          The country takes in $2.7 trillion dollars a year. We’ve already spent that. Every dollar the government spends from now on is borrowed. The stock market would collapse if the federal government wasn’t printing and pumping dollars into it 24/7 to keep it going.

          O.K. Nick, go back to sleep. Enjoy La-La-Land. But, when this unsustainable party’s over, you and your socialist buddies are going down with the ship with the rest of us. I wonder if you’ll enjoy serfdom as much?

          • NickCzudy

            Don.

            You are correct, every cent that the Government spends now is borrowed. At 1/2 percent interest, That is not a big deal.
            To cut spending and close down government would cost even more, as the newly unemployed would collect unemployment and need food stamps. then of course the GOP would complain that the amount of people in food stamps is increasing. the economy would slow down, and more people would lose their jobs.
            The stability that business has been needing to really fire up hiring and making more investments into their business would be stunted.
            Obama has been making slow and decisive cuts to not spook the economy. The deficit has lowered from over one trillion to about 400 billion. In another year or two, it will be balanced and then paid back over the next decade.
            The irresponsible shutting down of government will reverse the economy and increase the deficit.
            the problem with you and the Right Wing, is that you are so idealistic, that you do not know when to bend.
            You like to call smart economic decisions as socialists.
            I know that it makes you feel good. To name call is the essence of the Right Wing Bubble.
            But that will not mask the fact that Democrats create the most business, jobs and tax dollars.
            There is no overnight cure for the recession of 5 years ago. It will take a long time to get back to real prosperity.
            You and the GOP are too idealistic to make sound decisions.
            I have been in Los Angele’s and it is a great town.

      • macgyver1948

        xoxozo… If you have been watching with your eyes open Obama has tried a lot but he kept being blocked by the Right. He has accomplished a lot but there is a lot he has to overcome because of those blocks. If you too were up against a group who are committed to hurting you at all costs, even hurting the country, just to stop you, I bet you would feel the frustration too.

        Oh., it really does help to learn when your eyes are fully open.

        • xoxozo

          I have been watching with my eyes open and I don’t like what they see. Thank God the Reps have been blocking him. If not, we’d be worse off then we are today. Only hope they can block him until he’s gone for good.
          I bet you didn’t think the Dems were hurting Bush when he was blocked..that’s what a Democratic Republic is about…NO ONE having complete power.
          Why didn’t he do more when he had a majority in the Congress for 2 years??? And don’t say he was working on healthcare…it wasn’t written by him at all. He’s only the salesman for it. Even he had to pass it before he could know what was in in.
          1 of the most stupid statements EVER UTTERED

          • smilee

            Bush was seldom blocked as he had the majority in congress for six years and got most of his good stuff done in the last two when he did not but then put Cheny in the corner and actually took the reins himself.

          • macgyver1948

            xoxozo… Of course the Dems would try to stop a Repub action, it is called politics, but not to hurt so many of the rest of us. The out party always tries to show they are better than the in party. Since the Tea Party thugged their way in and purchased many Right politicians it has not been this bad in a very long time.

      • smilee

        With a do nothing congress what do you expect him to do as he can only sign onto what they give him and that has been little and with their first priority being to make him a one term president instead of governing but the people voted on that not congress and they still do not respect the 2012 election and the real will of the people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/asel.wood.7 Asel Wood

    May I suggest that your pitiful self indulge in some Extra Strength Exlax and how about a nice big glass of mineral oil to swallow that exlax down with? Yummy for you libs.

    • KG

      Did you learn that torture technique from your Italian Fascist friends?

      http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/965/did-mussolini-use-castor-oil-as-an-instrument-of-torture

      • macgyver1948

        KG, yeah, the Far Right Italian Fascists did have their
        extreme torture techniques alright but so do many who are without morals as they “inquire” of their prisoners.
        The Far Right Nazis, especially their Gestapo, were loaded with the UN-moral as well.

        I’m just having fun with yet another intentionally misinforming WAR article tonight. :-)

        • Daniel F. Melton

          Far right nazis? I hope you realize that the only thing more laughably stupid than a blindly devout democrat is one such as yourself who can’t even study history. Hint: National socialist, everything run by the state. The animosity with Russia was due to their mutual ambitions to control the world.

          • macgyver1948

            Daniel
            F. Melton… it is not me who is blind to history. The Commies
            are extreme Left and the Fascist/Nazis were extreme Right. Go back to
            grade school and pay attention in history class this time. Also stop
            listening to people who want you to believe only what they want you
            to believe to divert who they really are and learn for yourself.

  • Sunshine49

    The fact is that the national debt was right at $10 trillion when Obama took office. It went up the most during Bush’s eight years during the last two years that the Dems and Pelosi controlled the House. They doubled the defense spending with pork add-ons and then blamed it on Bush. It was $500 million a year until the Dems took over and then shot up to over a trillion a year those last two years. It’s now at over $17 TRILLION. This country can’t even afford the interest let alone pay that kind of debt off. Another FACT that you chose to ignore is that the IRS states that over 70% of everything it takes in goes back out on “social” programs which include the billions they are spending on illegals. WHY is our government taking OUR money and giving it to people who aren’t even American? Then there’s the billions in FOREIGN aid. We BORROW almost 50% of every dollar to give it away to NON-Americans. That is stupid!

    • NC

      Sunshine, you appear to be a sensible person! bush II inherited no wars and a great economy and doubled the national debt> He held the veto and the Democrats at their strongest could not override it alone! He added 5 trillion to the debt!
      How much do you think the two wars and a weak economy needing government intervention added to the debt that Obama has accrued to date?
      How much did bush spend on the stimulus package he begged the Democrats for IN HIS LASTTWO YEARS !.Remember the three page TARP bill he sent to Congress asking for 600 billion plus!
      The main I come here is because the regular conservatives who come here want to judge and condemn Obama without being adult enough to admit how much different the country was when he took over than what it was when bush II took over! Two wars and a very soft economy is a situation that no other incoming President has ever faced!

      • Sunshine49

        Clinton didn’t leave the economy in such great shape as you may think. It was turning into a recession because of Clinton tax hikes (the largest in our history) and then 9/11 happened. That really threw us into a recession. The Bush tax cuts didn’t even go back as much as Clinton had raised taxes.

        I never agreed with the Iraq war. There were other ways to take Saddam out without the war. The Dems were hypocrites on that too. They were for it and then they were against it when it served their political purposes.

        As I stated in my first post, Pelosi and the Dems doubled the defense spending with pork add-ons. Don’t believe me. Check the records. In the last two years they spent almost as much as the first six years.

        By the way, Bush left over half that money for Obama to spend and the people got screwed all the way around with the car companies and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Since the government supposedly got the money BACK from the banks, WHY didn’t it go on paying the national debt? They spent that money too and the debt just keeps going up!

      • macgyver1948

        NC…Uuummm, right on.You bring up TARP and other history, as much history going way back, as many Right leaders would prefer all of us to forget. I guess we cannot learn from the mistakes in history if we are told to forget it and then we comply.

    • PINCHY PARSIMONIOUS

      But, both sides signed off on the war, for Bush got approval from Congress & many Dems too!

      Both sides suck!!

    • Sunshine49

      So you totally missed it when Pelosi threatened to cut spending for the troops if Bush and the Republicans wouldn’t pass the pork ladened bills? Figures!

      Bush thought it was better for our troops to have the equipment they needed then to fight Pelosi and the House Dems! I think Pelosi is a traitor for threatening to put our troops lives in danger even MORE just so more Dems could get more pork!

      You seem to have selective memory problems.

      • Jack

        Sunshine49:

        He missed it because it never happened.

        The defense department budget wasn’t doubled.

        The Dems took control in Jan. 2007, their first budget was for fiscal 2008 (budgets go from 10-1 to 9-30 so the budget for fiscal 2007 was done before the 2006 elections).

        If you searched on line you would would have easily seen that there was no significant increase in the defense budget. Obama put the costs of Bush’s wars on the budget so there was a jump for that starting in the 2010 fiscal year budget.

    • macgyver1948

      How much has the Iraq War cost us so far?

      For a general idea of these costs, both Iraq and Afghanistan, go to http://nationalpriorities.org/cost-of/
      We are drowning because of the little bush. I bet the Right does not want us to remember.

      And more importantly – Casualties
      of the Iraq War

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

      I wonder if the little bush has any moral conflict for these figures considering he took us to his immoral war by lying to us, Congress, The UN and the world.

  • Ron r

    Sorry Bob, did not know that the presidents wife could be called a slut along with his mother and it was offensive to say the same thing to the poster. It won’t happen again.

    • http://www.rt.com Alondra

      We do not have President.
      We have FRAUD, the Korrupt Kenyan Kriminal, who happened to be an Illegal RESIDENT. Do I have to say you where he should to be?

      • NickCzudy

        alondra, Commander in Chief maybe?
        So he is the KKK?
        Haha get a life. You wonder why we can never take any GOP seriously. they come up with preposterous stuff like this.
        Good night

        Nick Czudy

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          What GOP has to do with me, darling?

          Good night Nick. Have a sweet dream.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            And you suffer from delusional behavior. Here is something telling about how our libturd/progturd education has devolved into chaos.
            http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/video-watch-12-year-olds-forced-to-act-like-slaves-and-called-nger-by-teachers/
            Here is something done to a national monument by you and your ilk.
            http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/vandals-damage-ten-commandments-display-in-d-c/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “Has government any solid foundation? Any chief cornerstone? I think it has an everlasting foundation in the unchangeable will of God. The sum of my argument is that civil government is from God.”
            James Otis
            Leader of the Sons of Liberty
            Attorney and Jurist
            Mentor of John Hancock and Samuel Adams
            Devout Christian

          • smilee

            PROPAGANDA, PROPAGANDA that is why you see everyone as delusional whom differs with you when it is you who is really delusional due to all this propaganda you constantly immerse yourself in.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Such a less intelligent response. But as not to disappoint you, here is an article about our God given rights to believe in God and to keep our guns.
            http://www.politichicks.tv/column/god-guns-constitutional-right-cling/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
            “When the righteous rule, the people rejoice; when the wicked rule, the people groan.”
            William Patterson
            Attorney General of New Jersey
            Signer of the Constitution
            U.S. Senator
            Governor of New Jersey
            SCOTUS Justice
            Devout Christian
            *He made the above reference of Proverbs 29:2 to instruct a grand jury.

          • smilee

            The truth is illuminating, you and your stupid cover does not keep anyone from seeing the real you and again more propaganda to support it that is the center of your life and it contradicts the teachings of Jesus.

      • macgyver1948

        Alondra… Still trying to be a comedian I see. How is that working for you with the phrases you make up?

  • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

    FINALLY SOMEONE IS SAYING WHAT I WAS SAYING LATE ON ELECTION NIGHT 2012….THE PATTERN OF THE SENATE ELECTIONS AND THAT FOR THE DICTATOR IN THE WHITE HOUSE…BECAME SO CLEAR…EARLY IN THE EVENING ALL ELCTIONS SEEMED TO BE TAKING ON WHAT ELECTIONS SHOULD BE…BY 9:00 PM EST…”ALL” OF THE SENATE ELECTIONS SUDDENLY CHANGED IN FAVOR OF THE D****RAT…IN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM …AND AT THE SAME TIME….THEN ALL THE SWING STATES…SUDDENLY AT THE SAME TIME CHANGED IN FAVOR OF THE DICTATOR IN THE WHITE HOUSE…BY 11:00 PM EST IT WAS SO COMPLETELY OBVIOUS TO ANYONE THAT WAS AWAKE AND WATCHING THIS THAT ELECTION FRAUD WAS PUT IN PLACE FOR THIS TO HAPPEN…WHAT WAS ALSO CLEAR WAS THAT THROUGH ALL OF THIS THE HOUSE RACES CONTINUED AS THEY SHOULD….THIS WAS FRAUD AND C ORRUPTION AT ITS WORST….AND BOTH SO CALLED PARTIES WERE PART OF THE FRAUD AND CORRUPTION AND THE COVERUP AFTER THE FACT…

    • NickCzudy

      Freedom.

      I think that what you are saying is that there was a massive conspiracy orchestrated by the Democrats and the Republicans knew about it and tried to cover it up.
      Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?
      First of all each state has the ruling party in charge of the count. So in Republican states they did the counting and vice versa.
      What happens in a federal election is that in the early hours, the GOP states dominate and Mitt was in an early lead. Once it came across the continent and the heavily Democratic western states kicked in, Obama shot ahead.

      As far as the senator races. Democrats are strong in the large cities and republicans are strong in the country. The country count ended first as those polling stations have fewer people voting. Republicans went into an early lead. But lost it at the end of the night.

      The last to come in are the large cities. This is where the Democrats caught up and passed the Republican candidates.
      From what I have learned about the Republicans is that they are sore losers and if there had been any hint of impropriety, they would have beat that to death until proof was found or the count was concluded.
      Look at how they are dragging out Benghazi, Fast and Furious and the do called IRS scandals. Republicans do not let anything go if they smell a possible win for themselves no matter how slim
      So with due respect, I cannot buy your whole proposition..
      The 2012 election was a fair representation of how Americans voted.
      sincere regards
      Nick Czudy

      • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

        I DISAGREE with your premise that it sounds ridiculous….Look closely at what happened and research it…

        • NickCzudy

          Freedom..
          I followed the elections very closely.

          There is no change of a massive fraud that both parities took part in. They hate each other.
          They would never take part in this. Both wanted to win.
          If you can steer me to any info or stories about this, I am open to check it out.
          regards
          Nick Czudy

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            They put the FRONT UP that they Hate each other but the Real Situation is that they are in BED WITH EACH OTHER…

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          No, he will not. He is a HOAX. He is paid for the denying the overwhelming UNDENIABLE and IRREFUTABLE FACTS. Do not waste your time with libtard.

          • macgyver1948

            LOL….

          • smilee

            Your always an insider in the opposing camps, but we know that is not true and all it is is you throwing mud at the wall..

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Smile, are you drunk or it’s my English as a 3rd language?

            1) “Your always an insider in the opposing camps”

            Who are “the opposing camps”?
            If I am “insider” why I am not aware of this?
            And what it means?

            2) “but we know that is not true”
            WHAT “is not true” and
            WHO are “WE”?

            3) “you throwing mud at the wall.”
            WHY do I have to “throwing mud” and at WHAT “wall”?
            WHAT kind of “mud” and WHERE I take that “mud”?

            Smilee, It’s something very complicated and I am confused. Please explain.

            I guess it’s a liberal logic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6ZYq5xh-Ig

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Are you an ostrich? Do you have your head buried somewhere moist and warm over the last 5 years? The last election fair? Ha, ha, ha, ha! Here are some articles about what the libturds and progturds are doing to this country.
        http://www.genfringe.com/2013/09/dem-seeks-office-abortion/
        http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/09/examples-political-correctness-destroying-america/
        http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/09/18/obamacare_doctor_rationing_begins_in_california_119983..html
        Here is an article showing how the 5th column wants us to support vermin like Al Qaeda. BTW, these are the friends of Obama bin Laden, not the USA.
        http://www.politichicks.tv/column/fighting-enemy/
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
        “Your good morals in the army gave me sincere pleasure as it hath long been my fixed opinion that virtue and religion are the great sources of human happiness. More especially it is necessary in your profession firmly to rely upon the God of Battles for His guardianship and protection in the dreadful hour of trial. But of all these things you and I hope in the merciful Lord.”
        Gouverneur Morris

        • smilee

          That is were your head has been all this time and that is why you know it is warm and moist

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            This coming from someone who likes to be poked? Here is an article about Obama bin Laden.
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/lawmaker-obama-youre-dictator/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
            “With an awful reverence to the Great Almighty God, Creator of all mankind, being sick and weak in body but of sound mind and memory, thanks be given to Almighty God for the same.”
            John Morton
            Legislator
            Judge
            Signer of the Declaration of Independence
            Devout Christian

          • smilee

            Your constant listing of propaganda sites impresses no honest person and only illuminates you as a fool.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Not even worth responding to, but let us get back to the subject at hand. Here is an article by a person a lot more intelligent and knowledgeable on the subject than you.
            http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2013/09/25/obama-lied-my-health-plan-died-n1708856/page/full
            Looks like the little lady has handed sleepee his head back to him on a silver platter. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
            “I am constrained to express my adoration of the Supreme Being, the Author of my existence, in full belief of His Providential goodness and His forgiving mercy revealed to the world through Jesus Christ, through whom I hope for never ending happiness in a future state.”
            Robert Treat Paine

          • smilee

            Your constant listing of propaganda sites impresses no honest person and only illuminates you as a fool and keeps you from knowing the truth The law requires no employer to stop covering you and when a company tells you that they are using the law as a scrape goat and are lying to you or the one telling the story could be the one lying but as the law does not require that we know it is a lie so which says neither you or the one writing the story is intelligent or knowledgeable, if you believe others lies you will then most likely lie too and you do all the time.

      • macgyver1948

        NickCzudy … I agree with what you say. The problem is your are going to be outnumbered here by those who will refuse to look into “it” for themselves as they choose to believe only what they are told to believe by the Tea Party and the Tea’s property in the GOP. Article writers such as Wayne Allen Root are the puppet voice of Tea and here on this site are many of their loyal fans. Good luck but it will be tough to express your Free Speech Rights here without attacks on your credibility or being told by those who will refuse your rights by saying things such as ” Do you have your head buried somewhere moist and warm over the last 5 years? The last election fair? Ha, ha, ha, ha!”.

        All you have to do is show you are not in agreement and you will be told in many ways how wrong you are, politically and religiously. There are many here will will say they are for liberty equally for all, as it is guaranteed in the US Constitution, but they will deny you your Constitutional Rights if you do jot agree with them.

        • NickCzudy

          Hey MacGyver- thanks for the post. I am sitting here smiling as I do get some sick form of pleasure in reading the rants, name calling, lies and rhetoric.
          I have been here for more than a year and I have been called everything possible, so I am immune. You know what they say, “Sticks and Stones….”
          I understand that Wayne Allyn Root and company are here to stir up the pot and get their base all fired up. They prosper when their Right wing Base is given the gospel according to apostle Root and Meyer and gang.

          They work on the number one rule in politics. You can say a lie, and if caught, repeat it even more and your followers will believe you. This works for the base and true followers, but for independents and others that can vet the truth, they will see the lie and cease to have any credence in that person.

          So their blogs do not have to be factual or true. They win, when their base keeps getting riled and passes on the statements un-vetted. they hear it amongst themselves so often, that they honestly believe it completely.
          So I have have a goal to follow the truth and to uncover the bull and maybe I can save a single soul here on this website.
          I really get enraged when I hear lies, bull and crap everyday coming out of the mouth of politicians. Neither party is immune. But I would put the ratio as Dems 20% and GOP 80%. For the last few years, the GOP and Right have constantly lied and ranted and have evolved their extreme tea party view.
          I thank them for giving us the O’Donnels, Murdocks, Brouns, Palin and Cruz.
          David Letterman in an interview with some politicians, was asked if he was a Democrat. His answer was that actually he was an independent. It seemed like he was a Democrat since he was constantly making fun of GOP blunders. He said that as a comedian, he would be out of business if it was not for the wealth of material that was given to him by the GOP and Right Wing.
          So I will keep my crusade here until I get tired of the barrage and rhetoric and I will ignore the rants.
          I will smile and laugh and shake my head at the stuff that is said here.

          Wayne Alyn, Mr. Meyer and Mr Livingston know that if they say something that is totally insane, they will hear from me.
          I wish you a great day.
          Pleasure to meet you.
          Nick Czudy

          • macgyver1948

            NickCzudy… Any time. :-).

            Yep Nick, that is what many here do. IF they cannot get you to agree with them quickly many of them resort to name calling and insults because “you just have to be wrong”. One of the owners of this site, Bob Livingston, says he wants this site to be an open
            respectful discussing allowing all points of view. I guess that is forgotten by those who wont be disagreed with. I have had people disrespected my religion, some with total disrespect and insults, as well as my politics. I guess they will not tolerate my not converting to their ways. Nice huh? Very UN-American too.

            Nick, keep your cool as long as you can as see how much spoild childishness you can take before you lose you cool. It is not often easy byt we should try if we continue to come here. I come here to exchange ideas
            and learn about how others feel, no to be told how ignorant and wrong my feelings and views are.

            Maintain your views until you yourself change them, that is the American way, not how it can become here. Stay as you say until you get tired of it and no longer understand why you take the abuse. You know, when it is no longer fun and or a learning experience.

            I cannot figure out where Wayne Allen Root comes from, what planet. He contradicts himself from article to article. Bob Livingston is generally sincere and respectful so I can usually respect his opposite-from-mine views. The comedian from the great ape is in this
            only to practice his bad comedy and to confuse those who believe him about the other side. Mr. Meyer is doing his right-wing, “only we Right are right”, thing so he is being himself I think, but none of them come on here to talk down anyone who disagrees with them, they just show their disagreements I guess when they feel like it. I have said some things about and to WAR but he has yet to respond. I am glad about that, I do not trust him at all.

            David Letterman is an entertainer/comedian so he is looking out for his rep. He is pretty cool. Bill Mair is pretty cool too in a straight forward in-your-face way. I like his research too.

            You said “David Letterman said “as a comedian, he would be out of business if it was not for the wealth of material that was given to him by the GOP and Right Wing”. So would so many of the GOP. LOL

            Nice to meet you too Nick… Stay strong in your beliefs.. Steve

  • Sunshine49

    If you check statistics, Reagan inherited a worse economy from Carter then Obama did from Bush and then there was a financial crash his second year too. It wasn’t as bad as the housing crash, but it was bad enough. Reagan spent a lot of the money on the arms race with the USSR which served it’s purpose of bankrupting the USSR and ended their Communist domination over other countries. Reagan also increased taxes again after the economy stabilized. When he left office the unemployment rate was under 5% with REAL numbers — not the ones the government uses now. Our REAL unemployment is at the same level as during the Great Depression. There are less people working full time jobs now then when Obama took office. So what good is socialist government doing for the people?

  • Dave886

    dave, you also need to find a brain just like travis

    • Daniel F. Melton

      dave may well be travis.

  • grassroot

    And what can you expect from this outfit when voting machines destined to be used in swing states/counties were “set-up” in
    Spain and paid for by Geo. Soros. That ” one World Gov.”
    advocate who bankrolled Obmer to run for the Ill. Senate
    not to mention paying for his college costs.

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Ah, yes. It is another fine day that God and Jesus has given us today. I see that many libturds and progturds are roasting on the fire on this thread. Time to turn up the heat on them, before God gives them some real heat. Here are some articles about the friends that Obama bin Laden is supporting. Why would he support the enemies of Christ and of mankind in general? Shows lack of knowledge, patriotism, and no God in his heart.
    http://www.weaselzippers.us/2013/09/24/jihad-flags-fly-over-muslim-day-parade-in-nyc/
    http://www.rightsidenews.com/2013092433235/world/terrorism/islamic-terror-groups-killing-christians-all-over-the-world-and-obama-wants-us-to-ally-with-them.html
    http://www.blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/09/the-silence-of-our-friends-the-extinction-of-christianity-in-the-middle-east/
    http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/12630/muslims-go-christian-killing-spree/
    Here are some articles dealing with Christians and Christianity here in America.
    http://www.newsmax.com/US/coptic-christian-u-said/2013/09/22/id/527023
    http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/facebook-oks-jesus-f-ing-christ/
    Notice what is going on here? Obama bin Laden and his friends want to destroy out Christian founding, Christian beliefs, Christians around the world (The true faith), destroy our morals and virtues. They need to be voted out. Anyone that sides with these vermin, goes against Christians, and wishes to destroy what makes America what it is, needs to be voted out of office. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves Obama bin Laden out.
    “There must be religion. When that ligament is torn, society is disjointed and its members perish. The most important of all lessons is the denunciation of ruin to every state that rejects the precepts of religion.”
    Gouverneur Morris
    Revolutionary Officer
    Member of the Continental Congress
    Signer of the Constitution
    Diplomat
    U.S. Senator
    Devout Christian

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Obama bin Laden killed Osama bin Laden? Care to present a body? No body, no death. No body, no charges of murder. No body, no facts of the persons death. If he did, them why did he send Seal Team 6 to their deaths? What did he want to hide from the people? Maybe he took out the wrong target? I really don’t think Osama would be in a house alone and without sentries. You are a fool if you really believe Osama is dead. Here are 2 articles about Obama bin Laden and his administration.
      http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/16604-pres-obama-fired-up-and-ready-to-repeal-second-amendment
      http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/irs-has-produced-only-10-docs-responsive-demand-congress
      We all know that Obama bin Laden cannot do the first one, but we know also that he cannot tell the IRS to purposely withhold anything from a congressional investigation. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
      “If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.”
      Jesus Christ
      John 15:7

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        The personal attack and argument to ridicule. Just what I expected from someone that knows nothing about the subjects at hand. You are nothing but a troll and do not possess the mental faculties to be able to understand. Here is some good news.
        http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/12645/supreme-court-may-get-second-chance-kill-obamacares-insurance-mandate/
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
        “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.”
        Benjamin Franklin
        Founding Father
        Devout Christian

        • smilee

          Sad part is he telling the truth about you and you should take it personal so you can straighten your butt out.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Argument to ridicule. Sure sign of the less intelligent mind. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.

          • smilee

            You invite ridicule when you constantly lie.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          No response possible due to lack of intellectual content from Dave. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Look at Dave. He is working overtime.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Thank you and keep up the good fight fellow patriot. He, along with sleepee, are working overtime. I guess they don’t want anything bad said about their illegal alien in the White House. Here is an article talking about can America sustain itself.
            http://www.heritage.org/events/2013/09/os-guinness?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=NewCommonSense
            It is about an hour long, but it is very informative. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “A Constitution is not the act of a Government, but of a people constituting a government, and a government without a constitution is a power without right.”
            Thomas Paine 1791

          • smilee

            Your conclusions are again wrong and lies and are again spun to fit your bias.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source?
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.

          • smilee

            You are the source of the lies and spinning so you explain why

          • KG

            Still never found those verses where Jesus says Good things about religious people, eh?

          • smilee

            You always say that when you are caught in a lie!!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Wrong, wrong, wrong! I only say that when there is nothing intellectual to answer to, but you, not I, are the one lying. No facts or sources, just personal attacks. Now go home and take your psych drugs. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
            “Better to fight for something than to die for nothing.”
            General George S. Patton, Jr.
            American General

          • smilee

            SPIN SPIN SPIN

        • smilee

          Why is telling the truth to you always seen as a personal attack on you, quit your lying and I’m betting no one will call you out by what you call personal attacks

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Argument to ridicule. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.

          • smilee

            It is not ridicule but you are deserve ridicule of it as you do so much of it yourself.

      • smilee

        Only the stupid would write a response like this one and worse yet believe it. Propaganda has always been your source of misinformation.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          If this is true, then why did he send Seal Team 6 into an area and have all of them die? What is he hiding? Speaking of propaganda, isn’t that what you Joseph Goebbels types do? Here is an article showing how the Muslim Brotherhood is getting help from the Clintons.
          http://www.westernjournalism.com/infiltration-revealed-clinton-foundation-muslim-brotherhood/
          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
          “To the kindly influence of Christianity we owe that degree of civil freedom and political and social happiness which mankind now enjoys. All efforts made to destroy the foundations of our Holy Religion ultimately tend to the subversion also of our political freedom and happiness. In proportion as the genuine effects of Christianity are diminished in any nation…in the same proportion will the people of the nation recede from the blessings of genuine freedom. Whenever the pillars of Christianity shall be overthrown, our present republican forms of government – and all the blessings which flow from them – must fall with them.”
          Jedidiah Morse
          Historian of the American Revolution
          Educator
          “Father of American Geography”
          Appointed by Secretary of State to document conditions of Indian affairs
          Devout Christian

          • smilee

            You get dumber by the day and no one died on this mission except Bun Laden and his people. Your going totally looney tunes on us.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            You are the one that is wrong here. The mission they died on happened later and you know that, so stop being less intelligent.You still haven’t taken your psych drugs today, have you? Now knock it off and go home, traitor! Here is an article about another person who will take it to the libturds/proturds for being wrongly convicted.
            http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/tom-delay-take-outrage-to-democrats/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
            “To the eternal and only true God be all honor and glory, now and forever. Amen!”
            Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
            Revolutionary General
            Legislator
            Signer of the Constitution
            Diplomat
            Devout Christian

          • smilee

            We
            were not talking about a later mission but the mission that took out bin laden,
            you do not even identify the later mission. You are getting goofier by the day
            but as you insist on using propaganda as supporting documentation you will not
            ever know what the truth is.

          • NickCzudy

            samurai. I looked at your link about the Muslim Brotherhood.
            The presenter was Dick Morris. The famous Dick Morris that was fired from FOX and made the incredible election prediction on the 2012 election.
            He spoke of an ex-Clinton Foundation employee that went to work for Morrisey in Egypt.
            Lets say that fact is factual. After all it could be easily verified.
            Dick’s conclusion from this is that the M. Brotherhood have infiltrated into the Clinton and Obama administration very deeply.
            How did this person infiltrate the two admins when he went to Egypt after working for the Clinton’s?
            Dick Morris has the uncanny ability to look at a fact and see through the smoke and come up with such amazing conclusions.
            That is your problem samurai. You keep using bad sources for your propaganda and info.

            No wonder you are so f**ed up.

            Praise the lord.
            Nick

    • Sharalyn Ayers

      DDDDDILUSIONAL DDDAVE seen the black flags the muslims are parading through new york? unless you are muslim and know what they mean, have you asked yourself what they are about? Seen what Egypt did to the muslim brotherhood? obama did not kill obl, hillary did, obama is a coward, can’t speak for 5 seconds without a teleprompter, doesn’t have a single thought in his head. the only thing he is good at is regurgitating whatever his puppeteers tell him to say. IF you have something against Christmas, there are many countries around the world that do not celebrate it, you can leave. This Country was founded on Christianity, the 1st Amendment provides for FREEDOM of Religion, it does not provide for YOU are anyone else, freedom FROM religion,

      • smilee

        Misguided Christians say that but the Constitution does not discriminate against any religion. The supreme court does not agree with you on the first amendment which is typical of the misguided. You are confused, misguided. .and biased

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          There is freedom of religion, but there is no freedom from religion, o lying one. It seems you have forgotten,
          “Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.”
          John Adams
          Also, the 1st Amendment rights are not given to us by the Constitution, but by God. It seems you have also forgotten,
          “…endowed by their Creator (blessed by God), of these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness.”
          Declaration of Independence
          2nd paragraph
          This shows that all of our right/liberties are given to us from God, not mere humans, you lying traitor. This is also affirmed in the Preamble to the Constitution were it says,
          “…secure the BLESSINGS of liberty…”
          This refers us to the passage from the Declaration of Independence, but I guess a less intelligent person, like yourself, just can’t grasp the simple logic of these documents. Remember, the Constitution fits on top of the Declaration of Independence. This means they used what was written in the Declaration of Independence to help make the Constitution. From the 27 complaints against the king (which were sermons from the pulpit from 1756 – 1776), God giving us our liberties, using the 27 complaints to make Articles 1 – 3 of the Constitution, etc. It seems that you are in dire need of refresher courses on our Christian founding and Christian founding fathers. Now go home and stay there, traitor. Here are 2 articles that deal with you and your ilk.
          http://www.westernjournalism.com/saving-america-job-adults-children-liberals-need-apply/
          http://www.westernjournalism.com/billboard-obamacare-may-hazardous-health/
          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
          “Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.”
          Hebrews 4:16

          • smilee

            John Adams words are not written in the Constitution and God did not write it man did and he did not ,mention GOD in it, it cannot be forgotten as it was never there. Creator is not defined as GOD except by you whom are always spinning the truth to fit your own Bias. Even Billy Graham said the country was not founded on Christianity and has never been a Christian nation , he made these statements in an interview years ago with Daviid Frost in a hour long interview.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Neeeeed to restudy our Christian founding fathers again, now go back to the psych ward and take your meds before they notice that you are missing. Creator is another name for God, a fact. Our founders used their faith and belief in God and Jesus to help guide them in the writing of our founding documents, a fact. Benjamin Franklin even stood up and called for prayer during the Constitutional Convention, going to a church across the street, and having prayer services, a fact. Our founder even got the idea of Freedom of Religion (not from religion) from 1st Timothy 2:1-2, so what is your point with all this lying? For someone who claims to be so smart, you really are quite ignorant. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고나라를위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out traitor.
            “There are no atheists in fox holes.”
            Samurai

          • smilee

            None of what you say means the DOI and the Constitution were created to promote christian beliefs and the fact they never used either the word God or Christian means they were avoiding that and created the basis for law for all and that includes Christians but gives them no superior status.and separates the power of man made laws from religion. You believe creator and God are one and the same but not all do and and not all involved in writing the DOI did either. Our Constitution is man made law not created by God but by man. You interpret separation different from what the court has repeatedly interpreted it and that is but wishful thinking on your part.. They got this principal based on the religious laws from history of man who used religion to control people and denying them liberty and they wanted to avoid this at all costs and it had nothing to do with your bible passage which reads: “Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.

            It is your bias that is speaking and the reason you spin and lie about this.

          • MANNY

            SMILEE OUGHTA CHANGE HIS NAME TO SMIRKEE FOR THAT’S ALL THAT COMES ACROSS FROM HIS INFANTILE ATTITUDE.
            HIS LUCIFERIAN INDUCED- SO CALLED KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM ON THE FOUNDING OF OUR NATION CAN BE DEBUNKED IN ONE PARAGRAPH:
            THE FREEDOM OF RELIGION CLAUSE IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT WAS INCLUDED TO INSURE THAT NO CHRISTIAN DENOMINATION WOULD HAVE DOMINATION AND CONTROL OVER ANOTHER DENOMINATION’S FREEDOM OF WORSHIP THROUGH GOVERNMENTAL EDICT, WHICH WAS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE ESCAPING FROM UNDER THE KING’S CHURCH IN ENGLAND. IT IS NOT A PASS TO THE SATANICALLY INFLUENCED FALSE “RELIGIONS” OF THE WORLD OR AN OPEN DOOR TO ACCEPT THEM SINCE ALL CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS CONCURED THAT THEY WERE HEATHENISTIC. (SAVE THE JEWS)

            THAT IS THE “SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE” THAT JEFFERSON WROTE OF.

            NOW GO AHEAD AND TRY TO “INTERPRET” THAT.
            IF YOU CAN’T UNDERSTAND THE SIMPLICITY OF THE ABOVE PARAGRAPH THEN THE SAYING HOLDS TRUE: “YOU CAN’T TEACH STUPID.”

            HAVE NICE DAY.

          • smilee

            What the courts say matters and your contradiction of their words does not matter at all as they are false. Your words are meaningless. I agree you cannot teach stupid and that is why you remain that way.

          • MANNY

            YOUR “COURTS” DWELL IN THE SAME DARKNESS YOUR UN-REGENERATED SOUL INHABITS.
            MAYBE “STUPID” WAS A BIT HARSH ON MY PART.

            “DECEIVED” WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE IN YOUR CASE.
            STAY TUNED FOR THE ULTIMATE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE: THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH.
            GET RIGHT OR BE LEFT.
            CHOW BELLA!

          • KG

            Proverbs 27:1
            King James Version (KJV)
            27 Boast not thyself of to morrow; for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth.

          • MANNY

            NOT APPLICABLE.
            DIE TO SELF AND MAGNIFY YAHWEH

          • smilee

            Are you drunk?????

          • MANNY

            HA HA. SURELY YOU JEST!
            PERCEPTION IS EVERYTHING.
            PRESUPPOSITION IS VANITY.

          • smilee

            YOU ACT LIKE IT!!!!! MORE SPECIFIC YOU WRITE LIKE IT!!!!

          • MANNY

            MY, MY, WHAT BIG CAPS YOU’VE GROWN! SHAME THERE’S ONLY YOUR BLINDNESS TO BACK ‘EM UP.
            YOUR FIFTEEN MINUTES OF HAVING MY ATTENTION ARE UP SO YOU CAN CONTINUE TO WALLOW IN YOUR SIN AND CORRUPTION WHILE ENTERTAINING THE DELUSION YOU ALLOW YOURSELF TO REMAIN ENSLAVED TO. ITS A GOOD THING FOR YOU PROCLAMATION OF GOD’S WORD DOES NOT RETURN VOID

            AS FOR YOUR FUTURE ETERNAL ESTATE,

            I HOPE YOU DON’T MISCALCULATE.

            GOD’S TRUTH DOESN’T LEAVE ME DRY.
            I’VE PUT IT RIGHT IN YOUR FACE.

            SHALOM, MANNY OF GOD

          • KG

            Matthew 12:34-35
            King James Version (KJV)
            34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
            35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

          • MANNY

            HEY KG.
            PLEASE REFRAIN FROM QUOTING SCRIPTURE OUT OF CONTEXT TO REBUKE ME FOR THE CONTENT OF MY CONVERSATION WITH THIS LOST SOUL SMILEE.
            I CHALLENGE YOU TO FIND ONE SENTENCE THAT I USED IN MY DISSERTATIONS, IN CONTEXT, THAT CHRIST WOULD NOT HAVE USED IN THE APPROPRIATE AND TACTICAL WAY HE CONVERSED WITH THE SELF-RIGHTOUS SINNERS HE WITNESSED TO. CHRIST ALWAYS HAD COMPASSION FOR THE BROKEN HEARTED, THOSE THAT HE KNEW WERE READY TO REPENT AND BELIEVE. FOR THOSE WHO DISPLAYED THE FILTH AND CORRUPTION, (EVIL), CONTENT OF THEIR OWN HEARTS CHRIST HAD STERN REBUKES AND WARNINGS OF WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THEIR ATTITUDE AND SPIRITUAL CONDITION (DEAD) WOULD BRING THEM AT THE END. SELAH

          • KG

            Matthew 23:27-28
            King James Version (KJV)
            27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.
            28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

          • MANNY

            THANK THE LORD FOR HIS UNENDING LOVE GRACE AND MERCY AND THE FINISHED WORK OF HIS SON IN COMPLETE OBEDIENCE TO THE FATHER TO THE POINT OF HIS DEATH WHICH BY THE POWER OF HIS SPIRIT AND HIS BLOOD BRING FORTH THE NEW EVERLASTING LIFE TO THOSE OF US WHO BELIEVING BEAR FRUIT AND UTILIZE THE GIFTS OF HIS SPIRIT INCLUDING DISCERNMENT ALL IN ACCORDANCE WITH HIS WILL AND GUIDANCE TO HIS TRUE GLORY THROUGH YESHUA WHICH IS THE REDEMPTION OF ADAM AND HIS CHILDREN

            PRAYING CONTINUOUSLY FOR YOU AND YOURS.
            MY PLEASURE. MOG

            (NO PUNCTUATION IN HEBREW)

          • KG

            But you are writing in English? What does THAT mean?

            Matthew 6:5-6
            King James Version (KJV)
            5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
            6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

            1 Corinthians 13:1-3
            King James Version (KJV)
            13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity (LOVE), I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
            2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity (LOVE), I am nothing.
            3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity (LOVE), it profiteth me nothing.

          • smilee

            Silly!! Your words have no real meaning!!

          • MANNY

            YOUR COMMENT IS STRAIGHT FROM THE PIT.
            PILATE ASKED “WHAT IS TRUTH?”
            TRUTH IS WHEN THE WORD AND THE DEED BECOME ONE.

            “THY WORD IS TRUTH.”
            “AND THE WORD BECAME FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US.”
            “TRULY, TRULY I SAY UNTO YOU LEST A MAN BE BORN FROM ABOVE – HE CAN NOT SEE THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.”

          • smilee

            Lies have no real meaning and that is what I was responding to, lies are lies are lies and nothing else.

          • MANNY

            CONTRARILY, LIES HAVE REAL MEANING. THEY ARE CONCEIVED, DESIGNED AND EXECUTED TO DECEIVE AND MISLEAD THE UNINFORMED (IGNORANT) AND UNWARY (SPIRITUALLY) TO ATTEMPT TO ESTABLISH AN OUTCOME WHO’S END FACILITATES AN AGENDA THAT IS ALWAYS ANTI-CHRIST, ANTI-GOD AND THEREFORE – ANTI-TRUTH.

            (REMEMBER THE GREEK PREFIX “ANTI” DOES NOT DENOTE BEING AGAINST OR OPPOSITE, BUT SUBSTITUTIONAL OR IN PLACE OF. IT IS INDEED OPPOSITE TO TRUTH IN THE CASE THAT IT’S FABRICATED TO DECEIVE FOR AN END RESULT.)

            “THE FOOL HAS SAID IN HIS HEART: “THERE IS NO GOD.”.”
            LUCIFER IS NO FOOL. THAT’S WHY HE OFFERS ANY AND ANY SUBSTITUTION MANKIND WILL SWALLOW TO KEEP US AWAY FROM THE ONE TRUTH:
            “I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH ME.”

            “STRAIGHT IS THE GATE AND NARROW IS THE WAY TO ETERNAL LIFE AND FEW BE WHO WILL FIND IT. BROAD IS THE GATE AND WIDE IS THE PATH TO DESTRUCTION AND MANY WHO BE WILL GO IN.”

            KICK BACK FOR LUNCH AND ALLOW YOUR MIND TO DWELL ON THESE THINGS BEFORE YOU REPLY. IF YOU MAKE THE EFFORT AND HAPPEN TO BE INORDINATELY INTERRUPTED IT’S BECAUSE SOME ONE’S OUT FOR YOUR ASS. AND HE AIN’T SILLY NO MORE.

          • smilee

            AGAIN, Sober UP!!!!!!!

          • smilee

            Sober UP!!!!!!!

          • Sunshine49

            It wasn’t Billy Graham who said that. It was Obama. It goes right along with his ridicule of people who ” cling to their religion and their guns” or the one where he told business owners that they didn’t create their businesses on their own. It shows his total lack of understanding of the American people. The only ones he can relate to our the ones who want everything handed to them through redistribution of wealth by the government. That is NOT the majority of Americans! Most of us would just like to keep what we earn and not have the government take half of it! By the way, taking money from Americans and giving it to invaders or foreign countries is NOT in the Constitution no matter what the left tells you.

          • smilee

            I personally listened to the hour long interview in its entirety and it was Graham who said it not anyone else, this was before anyone ever heard of Obama. You are in the minority in your views as elections have proven so to make statements to the contrary only shows you are out of touch with reality in addition to you stupid conclusions which only shows your lack of understanding of reality.

          • NickCzudy

            Samurai,
            When did GOD exactly give us the constitution?
            Was it in the form of a book?
            Or was it in the form of tablets like Moses got.
            I have not seen anything that has come from GOD, so I would really like to see the evidence.
            regards
            Nick Czudy

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            If you can’t see, so you are blind; if you can’t hear, so
            you are deaf; if you can’t understand, so you are DUNCE.
            Regards,
            Alondra

          • Bob666

            Yo Pork-Fest,
            Or could it be that unlike you, he is in full control of his cognitive functions & does not require medication to form a coherent thought…………..

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep squeaking MANURIAL FLY of the 13
            generation out of 14

          • Bob666

            Not feeling the Love Propaganda Queen,

            On the outs with your Boy-Toy Putin again?

            And that is 13th generation Red, White and Blue American to you.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep squeaking MANURIAL FLY of the 13
            generation out of 14

          • Bob666

            Yup Porky Propagandist,

            Old Vladimir forgot your name-Again.

            One day you might have a country to call home, like the Exclusion Zone in Belarus -maybe it was radiation poisoning as to why you are the lucid and congenial person that you are?

            Regards,
            Bob,
            True Blue Patriotic Native born American

            PS-don’t forget to vote yourself up a few more times-I know that it makes you feel complete.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep squeaking MANURIAL FLY of the 13
            generation out of 14

          • Bob666

            Yup, That is our little Propagandist.
            nothing but an insult-nor any substance.

            So it was radiation poisoning?

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep squeaking MANURIAL FLY of the 13
            generation out of 14

          • Bob666

            USSR Propagana manual from 1977?

            “Keep squeaking MANURIAL FLY”

            Keep repeating lie until someone believes it”

            That is 13th generation Proud American!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep yapping delusional filthy MANIAC of the 13 generation out of 14.

          • Bob666

            Oh Baby Backs,

            “Keep yapping delusional filthy MANIAC”

            You left out happy, well balanced, productive and 13th Generation proud American!

            What radioactive sandbox are you from?

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep yapping delusional filthy PSYCHOPATH of the 13
            generation out of 14.

          • KG

            You and Bob should write for NBC! High Comedy!

          • Bob666

            Yo KG,
            Remember; “Jane-you ignorant slut-you”?

            Not saying it applies here, but…………..

          • NickCzudy

            thanks Alondra. I like you too.
            xoxox
            Nick

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            I appreciate your understanding, Nick.

            Alondra

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        HHHHHooooorrrrraaaaahhhhh! Keep up the good fight fellow patriot and well said. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

      • NickCzudy

        Sharalyn.
        I am not sure what the black flags say. did someone translate them?
        Obama is one of the most eloquent speakers and is one of few Presidents that is able to go off script and give intelligent and inspiring answers.
        This is number 9 in the propagated lies that is spread under the Right Wing Bubble.

        rant #9 Obama is dumb and needs a teleprompter to give a speech.
        I remember when G.W. when taken off of his teleprompter speech, could not come up with a reply when journalist asked him questions that were not pre-approved.
        Over the next few weeks we will uncover the list of Right Wing Bull, to memorize to be able to regurgitate when every grilled by anyone.
        Some of the other rants that have already been covered here are :
        rant #1 Obama is a Muslim.
        rant #2. Obama is a Communist.
        Rant #3 Obama is a Kenyan
        Rant #4 Obama hates America
        we will deal with more in our next installments.
        warm regards
        Nick Czudy

        • JCSmith

          ROFLOL at your stupidity and your willingness to let our nation fall.
          We have a great God who works miracles. Do you know what “history” means? Did you ever read its truths in the Bible to know His worthiness, His greatness, His love? Your future is sealed if you stay in this Godless path. I feel sorry for your blindness.

      • Deerinwater

        Well, that’s certainly debatable. ~ if your religion causes you to violate my space it does. ~ Just because you like snakes does not mean that I am required to endure you and your snake.

    • Deerinwater

      Your posting skills have greatly improved Sam. ~ Good work!

      I pulled a few links.

  • Sharalyn Ayers

    and he’s done so much to help, right? I hope you are one of the 20 somethings that gets to live a good long time in the undoing this man has accomplished on this Country, complements of your vote…

  • Nadzieja Batki

    I would like to thank all the Dems/Progs/Leftists/New Agers, etc., for foisting O on the American people. The fact is that he is doing more for the cause of the Conservatives and Libertarians and even Republicans by screwing up every policy, O is the perfect Devil’s Advocate. As to his followers keep commenting and making ridiculous comments and name calling, you behave like fools and we shine.

    • NickCzudy

      Nadziega,

      You are most welcome. we thank you!
      With warm regards,
      Nick Czudy on behave of all left, independent and centrists.

      • http://www.rt.com Alondra

        Nick Czudy, YOU are talking on behave of ALL left lamebrained.

        • NickCzudy

          alondra,

          No I am talking for all of the sane and educated, democrats and independents in American. They are all laughing at your gullibility and paranoia.

          I will leave the lame-brained for those of you under the Right wing Bubble.
          regards
          Nick

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Nope, you DON’T!!!
            I am EDUCATED and INDEPENDENT and you do not
            represent me.

            I and ALL EDUCATED and INDEPENDENT Americans are
            laughing at your total IGNORANCE, credulity,
            SLAVISHNESS and worshiping to the EVIL Illegal RESIDENT – your master.

            I am leaving you with your insane lamebrained Bubble.

            Best wishes,
            Alondra

          • NickCzudy

            Alondra,
            The Right Wing bubble belongs to the GOP and Right Wing. It is all yours. Together all of you can group together and sing kumbaya and tell each other stories. As long as you are happy!
            Are you single Alondra. You sound like my kind of girl>
            xoxo
            Nick

          • Bob666

            Yo Nick,
            You and I need to have a serious talk Buddy. Ever hear of a body-condom?

          • NickCzudy

            Bob is that a wet suit? haha.
            Alondra sounds like a nice girl.

            Nice to see you are still alive.
            regards
            Nick Czudy

          • Bob666

            Thanks Nick,

            You seem to be inspired these days? Interesting that you and I can carry on a civil dialog, maybe your new girlfriend could learn some manners?

            Think hermetically sealed wet suit to keep those radio-active STD’s at bay.

          • KG

            I find cankers turn em on!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Nick, “The Right Wing bubble” does not belong to GOP. The current GOP does not belong to the Right Wing ideology. It became the second DEMONcrap party.

            I can’t be your “kind of girl”. Our beliefs and ideology are totally antagonistic.

            I worship no one, but the TRUE God and I am singing my own Kumbaya. http://www.constitution.org/col/amazing-grace-willie-nelson.mp3

            If you need lyrics, let me know, Nick, please do not HESITATE.

            With God’s Agape,
            Alondra

          • Deerinwater

            Haha! Alondra, ~ you got me thinking this morning. ~ How can your comments be address with reason and thoughtful consideration?

            You use the term “belong to” and notions of “ownership” come to mind and in many ways “ownership” of any affiliation is where the struggle lies.

            That today’s GOP finds it’s self unable to run on a Conservative Track Record. ~ or any Track record for that matter has left the GOP weak and open to attack from all sides.

            There are many illusions being sold from many sources one can consider. Mr. Root has been most creative and recycled yet another version of why the GOP lost the last two general elections. They cheated! it was rigged! The IRS did it! ~ if you will notice Mr. Root said not a word about Acorn, but that’s not to say that tomorrow he won’t.

            Mr. Root is sore with the IRS these days, ~ I get the impression he has enjoyed their undivided attention. Having experienced much the same, I can relate, the experience will leave you bitter.

            But back to notions of “ownership”. There is no “ownership” but “lease with options” is available for the right price and for anyone that can come up with it.

            While today’s GOP is a train loaded with gold and sympathy for sell bound to ruin while every 5th passenger a train robber looking for the right moment to spring into action to “own” the train, thinking to hell with their lease.

            That is can never be accomplished in such a heavy handed fashion does not discourage a few train robbers from trying, so the Train of Discontent keeps rolling down the track.

            For many years, ~ I saw Jesse Jackson and his damn Rainbow Coalition as really hurting the democratic party ~ BADLY,! ~ This did run many democrats off ~ between him and the gays agenda ~ the democrats lost a lot of voters over this ~ so now the GOP has got them.

            “Lost dawgs and mixed blessing” ~ glad they are gone.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            You are ready to give speach to the Gop Caucus. But before take something anti-Delusional and anti-Diarrheic.
            Good luck.

          • Jack

            Alondra:

            What you really are is delusion. Most everything you say is wrong.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            WHY, because you JackAss said so?
            Yeah, it’s veeeery credible when libtard is speaking.

            Try again. This time you failed. Miserably failed.

          • Jack

            Alondra:

            No. Its because what you say is factually wrong but you are not smart enough to realize that.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            “A fool has no delight in understanding, but in expressing his own foolishness.” – King Solomon (Proverbs 18)

            Who told you that I am interesting in your opinion, JackAss?

          • dan

            SANE…why do the craxy ones always think that they’re sane and everyone else is crazy ?!
            I’ve spelled it with a Z but it comes up with an X…
            what’s up with that ?….hmmm,now it’s back,sigh

      • AgainstTheWall

        do you mean on behalf of……?

  • ChuckS123

    If the IRS hadn’t harassed conservatives, Romney and some other republicans may have won. I don’t know if that would have been enough to make a difference. More accurate would be that the IRS might have stolen the election. And it most likely made a difference in some close races.

    However, election fraud, media bias, and Romney’s lack of conservative advocacy also contributed to his loss.

    • NickCzudy

      the IRS had no effect on the election. The passing of Citizens United allowed the ultra millionaires to inject huge amounts of money into Mitt’s and other GOP campaigns.

      Without this money Mitt and GOP would have lost by a much larger margin. That is why hundreds of so called pacts were formed to take in these funds. All of them were political, and the tax exemption, that all of these GOP packs were applying for, should have all been been disallowed. Almost all of them got this tax exemption. A few Democratic pacts were disallowed.
      The GOP lost because of their policies and extremism. That is all.
      regards
      Nick Czudy

      • Hawk!

        Getting nearly 50% of the vote, however it wqas counted, does not qualify as extreme anything. It’s clear this election was bought, mostly with taxpayer monies. Don’t think for a minute the republicans would not have done a similar thing if they were pulling the strings.Same thing but different point of view. This system has lost it’s way, now we have to follow the bread crumbs to find our way back home.

        • NickCzudy

          Hawk, with all due respect ou said…”it;s clear the election was bought…”
          With all due respect. It is not clear to me that the election was bought.
          If you mean that over a billion dollars was spent in this election. Yes wow. It was the Sheldon Nelson and Koch brothers election for Mitt and the masses giving Obama $5.00 to $20.00 each.
          I think that Obama’s campaign was smart on how they spent their money. Also Obama was able to get more discounted air time, as his money was in his election campaign versus Mitts was in the super-pacts. The super pacts had to pay the going rates for ad time.

          We really need to do what they do in Canada. When they announce an election, they have something like 45 days to start the campaign until the election. There was far too long of time and too much money spent on 2012 election.
          Also there needs to be a federal voting agency that is made up of non partisan officials to create and enforce equal rules in all of America, instead of state offices that are stacked with the winning parties people. There is too much voting obstruction in that case.

          They would have the same rules for polling stations, mail in voting, Sunday voting and number of days that the polls are open.
          But in the end, Obama had about 51% of the popular vote and Mitt had 49%. There was about a 4 million gap between them. Obama has a much higher majority of the College electoral votes. I do not think that could be bought. there are too many diverse parties involved.
          regards
          Nick Czudy

          • Hawk!

            Thanks for the reply, Nick. I agree with most of your points. By buying the eection I was refering to the TARP funds that were spent in strategic high population areas, essentially securing those votes for the POTUS. That’s why Mr. Obama was able to lose 80% of the counties and still win an election. Look at the county by county results and it’s mostly a sea of red with islands of intense blue. You are very right, way too much money spent and too much fraud. Why would ANYBODY spend billions to get a $500k a job? Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by Thumb Cellular

          • NickCzudy

            Hawk. You have a good point that if the TARP funds are spent in big cities, then the Dems would certainly benefit.
            But on last nights TV one news media had a very good story of how many GOP. Congressmen, stood with photos showing them giving TARP money and taking the credit for it. Looking at the vote, they were against it. This has happened all over the USA. Vote against it, but quietly take credit for it to your constituents. One of the well known cases was with Paul Ryan in his home riding. He was caught on camera many times for that about face. There is a lot of partisan voting and then hypocritical turn a rounds when it makes them look good. So the GOP cronies got their share of the TARP money.

            This hypocrisy happened this year when Congress refused to sign the aid for Hurricane Sandy in NY and NJ. The same congressmen that voted against that had their hands out when Colorado had the floods, Oklahoma had the hurricane, and West Texas fertilizer plant blew up. Hypocrisy runs rampant in the congress. It is all on record.

            You must admit. The TARP helped all Americans of both parties to get out of the recession. OBAMA did not have any unfair advantage for passing it.
            Maybe there is a groups of silent Americans that see Obama as the only adult in the room and one that is governing for the benefit of the people instead of partisan politics. Because of that he might win over many independent voters. That is what made the difference in the 2012 election.

            I sit in the middle myself and believe in many Conservative issues. Not Tea Party issues.
            I am so totally disillusioned with the partisan bull $hit that permeates the GOP Congress. Their antics have turned me away from anything GOP because of that.
            Why would anyone spend billions to get a $500K job. I do not think that it is that high. The answer Patriotism or maybe the sincere desire to fix broken things and corruption.
            I know that it is a hard concept for GOP to imagine.
            Our ranting Queen, Michelle Bacheman is an example of that. She gets $250 grand from congress in the farm bill, because she owns a farm. Yet she voted and campaigned for cutting 20 billion for food stamps where people without jobs or low paying jobs can feed themselves. It amounts to about $5.00 a day. There are more than a dozen Congressmen that get subsidies like this from $10,000.00 to $250,000.00 yet all of them voted to cut food stamps. The hypocrisy makes me angry and is part of the motivation that makes me spend such a large amount of my spare time to fight the lies and hypocrisy that permeates this web site.
            Nice to meet you.
            warm regards
            Nick Czudy

          • Jack

            Nick:

            TARP was a law past when Bush was President.

            Are you and Hawk really talking about the Recovery Act stimulus law past in early 2009?

          • Robert Messmer

            If it was Patriotism they could join the military. But other than some very old Congressmen, the vast majority in DC have consistently shunned any type of service. They haven’t fixed any broken things although they have broken more and made what was broken even worse. Which is where Obama should not have won because in ’08 he campaigned on “change all the bad things in DC”. Not only didn’t he change them for the good, he even made them worse. I can’t think of a single American citizen that was drone killed without a trial by President George Bush. But this “only adult” who is always “right” has. Since the economy was supposedly on the brink of collapse when Obama was sworn in, why didn’t he reverse or at lest end the bad policies? Not only did he keep those policies he even extended them.

          • AgainstTheWall

            A misdirection or show of ignorance on where Obama’s campaign money came from but I agree with you on the voting agency.

          • NickCzudy

            The Wall. I am just summorizing what I know. Basically you had just two Conservatives gave over 300 million to Mitt’s packs. One was Sheldon Nelson and the other the Koch brothers.
            Fir Obama’s side, I have only heard of a million from Jon Stewart. I am sure there is more. But the bulk of Obama’s money came from the people not big business.
            Citizens United just made bribery and the people with the money call the shots for governing. That is not right.
            That for the vote of confidence on the independent Voting Agency. It is ridiculous that in some states the voting is controlled by one of the parties, to obstruct as they want.
            Pleasure to meet you.
            regards
            Nick Czudy

          • AgainstTheWall

            Are you forgetting the fundraising event he shuffled off to instead of looking after his ambassador in Benghazi. Must have been a lot of money put in the coffers from some deep pockets involved for him to leave at such a crucial time. Either that or something more sinister was taking place and he was avoiding accountability. But it would be silly to think that he could get elected from the 5 to 20 dollar donations. Big money had to have come in to meet the spending demanded in this campaign by both parties. It was unfair of you to quote only what you have heard as the unmitigated fact that insinuated, to me at least, that Obama was the overwhelming choice of the little people. It was not a landslide victory. It was in my opinion a close race and under some very suspicious circumstances that could have very easily altered the outcome of the race. Money is always a major factor in a national campaign as those who were forced to drop out of the primary can tell you. Obama had to have his big donors or he would not have gotten re-elected after such a dismal performance in his first term. Thanks for the hearing me out. Take care.

          • Robert Messmer

            If you truly believe “the masses giving Obama $5.00 to $20.00 each.” is where he got his money, then for your sake don’t look up when you are outside and it rains, cause you will drown. Do you even know how many polling stations there are? I don’t, but I have the feeling that any agency with the manpower to police all of them to prevent ACORN, NBP, NeoNazi’s, KKK, etc from trying to intimidate the voters would bankrupt the country in the first month it existed. Of course it would help if we returned to “Election Day” instead of Election 10 days to 2 weeks. Since the Electoral College is not required to vote as their states voted, they are the only ones that need be bought.

      • AgainstTheWall

        The passing of Citizens United was a benefit to both parties and Obama still had a lot more money to spend from the git go because his coffers were not depleted from a primary run. The conservative groups were not approved by IRS until it was too late for them to make a difference in the election. The Dems were quickly passed and I have never heard of a Dem pact that was disallowed. to say that they had no effect on the elections is ludicrous. If you think that it didn’t make a difference it is because you want to be blind. The IRS harassment and voter fraud and voter intimidation at the polls were all factors in this election. The policies of this president are extreme and divisive and ruining this country financially.

        • NickCzudy

          The Wall.
          You are correct that Obama had a huge advantage because of not having to go through the primary. There was a lot more damage to the GOP besides only money. It was brutal and helped to create big divides.
          The GOP packs were running rampant. The IRS has no effect on their activities. That I cannot agree with. Also the GOP had about 80% of the pacts because of Citizens United. Tons of business and wealthy donors sunk money into the GOP packs. So it is obvious that the IRS spent more time of GOP packs. There were way more of them. They also had way more money that Democratic Packs.
          I know that it is GOP Rule #8… Obama and the democrats are the ones that are creating division in this country and causing hate.
          haha. Every Rule that the GOP has means that it is the opposite. You cannot hang that on on Obama.
          I know that the GOP and Right hates Obama. It has nothing to do with Race, which I will agree with the Right. It is just plain hate for him having won the election, for him being the only adult in a room of juviniles, for him being right in his decisions, for him doing everything right that the GOP did not do. It makes the GOP just plain hate him. That is why they have vowed to obstruct everything that he is for. I get it.
          But you know what. I cannot side with the Right Wing for this hatred and partisan grid lock. As an American I am in rage that these politicians are getting paid and they do not care one little bit about doing something good for me or all Americans.

          They are selfish, hypocritical, evil and stupid. I cannot stand for that in our politicians. We pay them too.
          we cannot afford to have the Bachemans, Ghomerts, Cruzs and Brouns take money from our pockets for their idiocy. Governing costs too much.

          I hope that this explains where I am coming from.
          Best regards
          Nick Czudy

          • AgainstTheWall

            It does but I to say that Obama is the only adult. Hahahah! He will not except a defeat and threatens to do what he wants through executive order in spite of being voted down. He acts like a spoiled child when he does not get his way. He has his playmates in the Senate who are just as hateful and more arrogant because they have the veto power over budgets and any bill the House sends up to them. I thank God for the house at this point in time. If it weren’t for them we would be in financial ruins which is what we were quickly headed for when the Dems had control of the house as well. Our national debt skyrocketed and our deficit more than doubled contrary to what your party is trying to feed the nation. This Gridlock is not just the Republicans fault as your party wants to continually suggest and as you have suggested.
            You are right there are some evil politicians, but you only listed Republicans and the wrongs ones at that. It is evil to want to thrust something on the American people that they cannot tolerate for them selves like Obamacare. In that light, you need to amend you list of evil politicians to include Reid, Pelosi, Boehner, McCain, Boxer, Roberts and every other Politician and SCOTUS judge who has forced this law upon us, including the most evil of all in the White House and eliminate Cruz and any other politician who sees the hypocrisy and the evilness of making us pay more and receiving less care. You cannot just go around throwing out childish accusations like someone is evil and stupid and hypocritical because that think differently than you. If Obamacare was so wonderful why are they not wanting it. They have legitimate reasons and are supported by the majority of U.S. citizens who earn a living. Sorry if I offended you but it needed to be said. Regards to you

          • Jack

            AgainstTheWall

            Exactly what did you and other righties expect would happen regarding deficits when the country was on the brink of economic collapse when Obama was sworn in? Of course deficits increased but now they are going down.

            As far as the national debt, no matter how many times.
            righties say that Obama has doubled the national debt, that doesn’t change the fact that the claim is utterly false.

            Regarding Obamacare – maybe they “don’t like it” simply for political reasons. Did you ever consider that? Of course not.

            The majority of people are confused about what Obamacare is, they simply don’t know.

            Talking about polling, the last one I heard about there was about a 10 point swing in the approval rating simply by changing the name from Obamacare to its real name “Affordable Care”.

            When people who say they don’t like Obamacare are asked whether they like the individual provisions contained in Obamacare of, then the majority of people like them.. :

          • AgainstTheWall

            I guess you’re blaming Bush for the economic problems. Get your head out of the sand and look at your own inept party that caused the housing market disaster during the Bush administration. He kept trying to reign them in but since they had control of Congress there was not much he could do to stop them. But go ahead and show your ignorance. Once Obama got in office it skyrocketed because there was no one to curb his appetite for wasteful and useless spending. He had a blank check and got mad and pitched a hissy fit when he couldn’t get the debt ceiling raised and threatened to use executive privilege. If it weren’t for the GOP the debt would be tripled what it was when he took office.
            I’ll believe that The UNAFFORDABLE CARE ACT is all you say it is when the SENATE and Obama himself sign up for it. Boehner was against it until he got the exemption. I don’t know anyone whose premiums have gone down. Mine have gone up by 20 percent and it hasn’t even taken effect. What’s going to happen on the first. I can only hope and pray that the increases were due to expected cost increases by the insurance companies but I am not as naïve as you are.
            That is another liberal lie when you say that there has been a 10 point approval swing. Everything that I have read and heard is that its approval rating is diving along with your messiah Obama’s. Peddle you Kool Aid somewhere else. It does not matter how corrupt your candidates get, you continue to support them.

          • AgainstTheWall

            I guess you’re blaming Bush for the economic problems. Get your head out of the sand and look at your own inept party that caused the housing market disaster during the Bush administration. He kept trying to reign them in but since they had control of Congress there was not much he could do to stop them. But go ahead and show your ignorance. Once Obama got in office it skyrocketed because there was no one to curb his appetite for wasteful and useless spending. He had a blank check and got mad and pitched a hissy fit when he couldn’t get the debt ceiling raised and threatened to use executive privilege. If it weren’t for the GOP the debt would be tripled what it was when he took office.
            I’ll believe that The UNAFFORDABLE CARE ACT is all you say it is when the SENATE and Obama himself sign up for it. Boehner was against it until he got the exemption. I don’t know anyone whose premiums have gone down. Mine have gone up by 20 percent and it hasn’t even taken effect. What’s going to happen on the first. I can only hope and pray that the increases were due to expected cost increases by the insurance companies but I am not as naïve as you are.
            That is another liberal lie when you say that there has been a 10 point approval swing. Everything that I have read and heard is that its approval rating is diving along with your messiah Obama’s. Peddle you Kool Aid somewhere else. It does not matter how corrupt your candidates get, you continue to support them.

          • Jack

            AgainstTheWall:

            Why is it that people on the right have such terrible memories? Maybe that has a great deal to do with why they are so wrong on so many facts.

            The Dems didn’t control Congress until January 2007.
            Bush did try to do anything to stop the looming financial or housing crises. He supported the deregulation, free market ideas that caused the mess.

            Sorry, the market and the economy crashed while Bush was President. Without the GOP’s interference, the economy would have recovered quicker and stronger and there actually would have been less deficit spending because more people would have been working and paying taxes instead of drawing food stamps and unemployment checks.

            Regarding Obamacare – between 2006 and 2010 my insurance went up from $364.00 per month to $1,047.00 and I had to double my deductible to keep it that low. Than had nothing to do with Obamacare.

            Now that the exchange is operating what is your insurance going to cost you now?

            The 10%. swing was just from the name used to identify obamacare. People have been conditioned to say they don’t like obamacare. When they are presented with things like no lifetime caps, no preexisting conditions, etc. the majority of the people have always said they like them while at the same time saying they don’t like obamacare – they really don’t know what obamacare covers/does.

            Everything you read and heard is from a right wing source. They wouldn’t tell you anything else because they want you to oppose it.

            By the way, I think the country could have done a lot better than Obamacare but with the politics of the day I know we couldn’t get anything better.

            As far Obama, he is not my.Messiah. If he would have done as I wanted most of the then leadership of the financial world would be behind bars, the big banks would have been broken up into smaller institutions, AIG would have been broken up, derivatives and credit default swaps would have been barred, etc.

            Regarding corruption, I suggest that you and your fellow righties take a good hard look at the people with the money who fund your candidates along with the right wing media that constantly lies to you.

          • Robert Messmer

            Being the only “adult”, “being right” and “doing the right thing”…..too bad you didn’t have to explain to the Border Patrol agent’s family how “adult” Obama was by giving guns to drug cartels that regularly come across the border. In fact why don’t you practise by explaining how “right” it is to give guns to known criminals.

            As for the latter portion of your post, “partisan grid lock. As an American I am in rage that these politicians are getting paid and they do not care one little bit about doing something good for me or all Americans.

            They are selfish, hypocritical, evil and stupid. I cannot stand for that in our politicians. We pay them too.” I agree but the Democrats have been doing it for so long they don’t know how to reach a compromise or to represent the citizens.

        • Jack

          AgainsttheWall:

          I think you and most people don’t understand the fact that a group waiting for the IRS to grant 501(c)(3) or (4) status does not mean that the group cannot operate before the approval is granted. The fact of the matter is the group can operate from the day it is created.

          All that approval or disapproval means is what type of
          tax returns or reports will have to be filed and if income taxes will have to be paid.

          Before anyone can really talk about what the effects were of what the IRS did you really need to know what each group did – did they operate fully, limit what they would have otherwise done or not operate at all.

          • AgainstTheWall

            How naïve can you be? What do you suppose that their intent was? It certainly was not to be fair to the Conservative groups. It is obvious that there intent was to thwart their ability to make money to support their candidates. That was not the intent for the liberal organizations who received quick approval without the detailed insane questions. The point is that it was illegal and it is illegal for a reason.

          • Jack

            AgainstTheWall:

            It was not illegal for the IRS to investigate any group applying for tax exempt statuts. The fact is that the IRS is not supposed to grant 501(c)(4) to a group that intends to engage in significant political activities..

            Liberal groups did not receive quick approval as you claim. A number of them were also investigated. Only liberal groups were rejected.

            This IRS scandal is just another mole hill blown up by Republicans into Mount Everest.

            Why is it that nothing ever becomes of the “scandals”.
            No many how many times Republicans claim they have the smoking gun that is going to destroy Obama – there is no there to it when the Repub’s claims are made public? Its because they lie and distort the truth and when only the truth is left there is nothing to the story.

            Its alright to bitch and complain about Obama, he has more than enough real faults without the righties having to constantly lie and distort things.

      • 848484

        JUST ONE QUESTION FOR YOU OLE LEARNED ONE. WHY THEN WAS THE ENTIRE COUNTRY SHOCKED THAT OBOZO WAS RE-ELECTED?

        • Deerinwater

          Well? ~ your statement is false,848484 ~ the entire country was not shocked with the results, ~ only “Foxed News” junkies. They were very “shocked” ~ finding it impossible to believe ~ but only for one reason ~ they had been “Foxed” with a steady diet of misinformation off and on for years and had became loyal to Fox News and falsely considered Fox as a reliable source for news and political commentary .

          I enjoy watch Fox myself, ~ but i accept the rosy right leaning as a characteristic of programming and allow for it. We all know palm trees don’t grow in Wisconsin and snakes don’t have hips and chickens don’t have lips.

    • dan

      I’ll bet that if you look real carefully that the ones denied were third party (the REAL threat to the powers that be) conservatives…not the big money -corporate candidates

  • karma

    You guys lost, get over it. The people did not want Romney lousy ass, so time to move on. Here’s news for you, expect another loss in 2016 with these sorry ass candidates you have. Stop looking back and look forward. Stop being a sore loser, your bullying tactics did not work in 2012 and it is not going to work in 2016.,

    • Deerinwater

      Oh no! ~ That is completely and utterly impossible for them to do Karma. Excepting they lost to a black man is impossible and take away their reason to exist.

      They love and live to hate. Their life not complete without it.

      Now they are latching on to Ted Cruz. he’s down here in Texas and Jesusing up now, getting his battery charged with great fanfare.

      We should encourage them as much as possible.

      Doing the same things and expecting different results is what they are noted for. SSDD. (same $hit different day)

      • AgainstTheWall

        Your another idiot who believes because we oppose this presidents policies it is because we are racists. You are probably still blaming GWB for the lousy economy and low employment rate, when it was your democratic congress that started this and Obama’s policies have made it worse. Now we have Obamacare to deal with. He had to exempt congress from to get it funded. That should tell you something about it. It has already been proven that this affordable care act will increase our healthcare costs and offers us less health care. More for less isn’t our government looking out for anyone. Look in the mirror and truly evaluate what your chosen one is doing to us. Look in the mirror SSDD

        • Deerinwater

          Not necessary a racist ~ you just don’t like losing to anyone ~ being a darker shade of pale has it’s own sting much less being installed at 1st chair position. ~

          I’m not so peachy keen on the idea myself ~ while I would blame the GOP for the final results.~ the best man won ~ as the results concludes. it wasn’t even close.

          The GOP did not, nor cannot offer us a good track record worthy consideration based on merits and still can’t today or just a strong candidate for that matter.

          43 didn’t have any “coattails! ~ McCain was telling us how he and Palin were going to “Clean up the Hill” while he could not even run his own campaign without meddling and interference from Rove & Norquest. So how could he possibly clean up anything besides his shorts?

          With only weeks before the general election, Willard Romney, was caught red handed in some exclusive hotel setting, selling to a bunch of hand wringing, elite, oversea investors with a”pitch” that would make a carnival pitchman blush. Clearly not “Presidential Talk” while Romney was definitively in his element and explains much of his wealth.

          “She walks, she talks, she crawls on her belly like a reptile, For one thin dime , 1/10th of a dollar! ~ That was the only “real romney” we ever got to see! ~ the rest of the time, I couldn’t tell if it was a cardboard prop or Mitt live.

          So ~ you want to blame “O” for beating these guys?

          • AgainstTheWall

            This is a bunch incoherent babble from someone who couldn’t know the truth let alone speak it. It sounds to me like the only reason you like Obama is because he is dark skinned. He is a corrupt politician with extremely dirty hands who overspends and wants to spend a hell of a lot more than we can afford as a nation. I am no fan of McCain nor Romney. McCain should have been put out to pasture. Romney I didn’t trust his liberal past, after all the Blue Print for the ACA came form him. But they are not the problem we are facing now. The problems that we are facing now come from this scandal ridden administration. It seems to be okay for someone to be corrupt in your party unless that someone is not in your party. If they are from your party cover up and protect.

          • Deerinwater

            I don’t really care what it sounds like to you.~ Obama won, ~ Mitt didn’t. ~ how’s that for ‘coherent”?

            These alleged “scandals” are not a problem at all, ~ but I’m left to believe that you would take pleasure if they were.

            i think they are great, as they keep you entertained, amused and off the hunt for what’s really happening.

            Never interfere with opposition as it squanders time with self destruction.

        • Deerinwater

          And YES! I feel inclined to impart 43’s administration some blame for a lousy economy, as they played their cards poorly and war profiteering ran high.

          The worst misuse of military might in the history of mankind ~ Spent more and taxed less, ~ two needless, unfunded wars with nothing gained that amounted to spit. 900,000 coalition forces dead, ~ 900,000 morning mother’s and families

          ,The peak of jobs was reached in January 2008. There were 138,056,000 non-farm payroll jobs. (This is the count used in the monthly jobs report.) In January 2009, just before Obama took office, there were 133,631,000 jobs.

          And don’t forget! how~ Tax cuts creates jobs and stimulates the economy!

          Who am I suppose to look to for Presidential leadership ? ~ George W. Bush was my President.

          if you consider me an idiot ~ can you fathom just how I might feel about your judgement?

        • Deerinwater

          And YES! I feel inclined to impart 43’s administration some blame for a lousy economy, as they played their cards poorly and war profiteering ran high.

          The worst misuse of military might in the history of mankind ~ Spent more and taxed less, ~ two needless, unfunded wars with nothing gained that amounted to spit. 900,000 coalition forces dead, ~ 900,000 morning mother’s and families

          ,The peak of jobs was reached in January 2008. There were 138,056,000 non-farm payroll jobs. (This is the count used in the monthly jobs report.) In January 2009, just before Obama took office, there were 133,631,000 jobs.

          And don’t forget! how~ Tax cuts creates jobs and stimulates the economy!

          Who am I suppose to look to for Presidential leadership ? ~ George W. Bush was my President.

          if you consider me an idiot ~ can you fathom just how I might feel about your judgement?

      • 848484

        WE MIGHT HAVE LOST TO A BLACK MAN BUT WE REALLY LOST TO THE BIGGEST LIAR, THUG AND FRAUD IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Ah, yes. I love the smell of roasting libturds/progturds on the fire. Considering that is what they will be doing when they die. Here is an article telling how the libturd/progturd press is destroying our country.
    http://www.lastresistance.com/3254/liberal-media-strngling-democracy/
    We can tell this by how much they try to protect Obama bin Laden. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
    “I believe the Bible to be the written word of God and to contain in it the whole rule of faith and manners.”
    Robert Treat Paine

    • NickCzudy

      samurai.

      You constantly give links to extreme Right Wing propaganda. If you live by this babble, you will live a life of lies and bull. You constantly spout your religious beliefs. That is yours to believe as you will. But it explains your extreme views. If you believe one, you will believe the other and you will never know the truth.
      regards
      Nick Czudy

      • http://www.rt.com Alondra

        NickCzudy, You constantly give links to extreme Left-Wing propaganda. You ALREADY living a life FULL of LIES and DEMONcRats crapola.

        Nick, you constantly spout your religious beliefs, which are extremely radical, because they are consisting from the LIES, the WHOLE lies and nothing, BUT the LIES!!!

        “[Y]ou shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” – Jesus Christ (John 8:32)

        “Great is TRUTH, and mighty above all things.” (2Ezdra 4:41)

        Regards,
        Alondra

        • JCSmith

          Amen and Amen!

      • Rhonda Clark

        I have talked to so many liberals , all rude controlling, hates white people, Communist, welfare, Cons, and most do not believe in God, and on this one web site, a man , molested his daughter, and just because he had a brain tumer , THEY FELT SORRY FOR HIM….web Obama is arming terriost..And we have been invaded by illegals, please allow every Americian, Liberal, or GOP, the RIGHT TO WORK, no to the Mexician Drug cartel being in CA…

      • macgyver1948

        Nick,,, oh yest they do but to be fair I go to them with an open mind and leave so often shaking my head.

  • Dogz

    Wayne Allyn Root, you lost 2012. Why? Romney that is why. You should tell everyone how Wayne Allyn Root and W stole the 2001 election, by leting Jeb BUsh’s Florida decide who won. We al know you stole that election. You lost 2008 and 2012, and now
    Wayne Allyn Root is spreading his propaganda to the morons who believe anything
    Wayne Allyn Root says. He musta took lessons from the Chinese how to misdirect the truth. Some one take care of Wayne Allyn Root.

    • Ranchman

      “Some one take care of Wayne Allyn Root.” Is that a threat, cheesedick? Just how big of an ol’ boy are ya, anyway? I seriously doubt your analysis of the ’01 election, as well, by-the-way. SCOTUS had everything to do with it, not W. Oh, don’t twist my words and meaning, ya turd. I’ve got LOTS wrong with W.; the Patriot Act, for one, comes to mind. But you, YOU take the cake, implicating Root in that fiasco in 2001. Yeah, Libtard, you’re a real piece of work. I seriously doubt you or anyone of your ilk has the cajones to do anything but sit there in your boxers in mommy’s basement, pounding on your…keyboard (no doubt pounding on something else as well). Go back to your man-cave, er basement, and pound on it some more.

      • dan

        lol…mancave/basement…
        even a raving lunatic and Algore-acolyte can smell that the system is just a tad corrupt…but it matters not who wins
        because America loses until we refresh the tree of Liberty.

    • AgainstTheWall

      Dogz You have lost your liberal mind if you think that W stole that election. I was watching those recounts and the democrat verifiers were using domineering and harassing behavior trying their best to steal that election too. Jeb Bush had nothing to do with the recount. It was a bipartisan recount that was closely watched. You are the one who is a moron, brainwashed by your criminal party. ACORN was out harassing voters in 2008 and voter fraud was rampant and that is why you liberals don’t want voter ID. Voter Fraud and Harassment at the polls is still rampant in your do anything to get elected criminal minded party.

    • AgainstTheWall

      Dogz You have lost your liberal mind if you think that W stole that election. I was watching those recounts and the democrat verifiers were using domineering and harassing behavior trying their best to steal that election too. Jeb Bush had nothing to do with the recount. It was a bipartisan recount that was closely watched. You are the one who is a moron, brainwashed by your criminal party. ACORN was out harassing voters in 2008 and voter fraud was rampant and that is why you liberals don’t want voter ID. Voter Fraud and Harassment at the polls is still rampant in your do anything to get elected criminal minded party.

      • Jack

        Againstthewall:

        You are delusional. Everything you say after your first sentence is totally wrong, never happened. Wake up and come back to the planet Earth.

        • Robert Messmer

          So why are you against Voter ID if it is not to facilitate voter fraud?

          • Jack

            Robert Messmer:

            Voter ID is one of the biggest scams out there. It has two purposes (1) to scare the world is falling crowd and (2) to stop the wrong kind of people from voting (democratic voters).

            A large part of the vote now days is by early mail in ball which requires no voter ID in all the states I am aware of so what good does voter ID do in those cases?

            There are extremely few cases of in person voter fraud. Bush spent 6 years and over 90 million dollars trying to uncover voter fraud nation wide. With the 2002, 2004, 2006 and 2008 elections and hundreds of million votes cast his administration only came up with less than 300 cases and most of those were for felons voting when they weren’t allowed to vote.

            By the way in 2012 the state of Penn. in the lawsuit over its voter ID law admitted that the state had no evidence that there had been any in person voter fraud or that there would likely be any in 2012 if the law was not in effect. The Court barred enforcement of the law in 2012. In case you didn’t know in 2012 the Republicans controlled the legislature, the governorship and the attorney general’s office in Penn. .

            Why do you support voter ID when there is no real proof that there is a problem?

            Why don’t you spend some time and come back and post some proof that there has been any in person voter fraud that has affected an election in say the past 35 years?

          • Robert Messmer

            Nothing you said is any excuse to try to sue states with ID requirements as Holder is doing with North Carolina.

          • Jack

            Robert Messmer:

            When one political group attempts to prevent people who support another political group from being able to vote, then it is the obligation of the federal government to step in and stop such activities.

            If the Democrats were trying to manipulate the law to prevent Conservatives/Republicans and their supporters from voting, you would be one of the first people screaming for the attorney general to take action to stop people from being disenfranchised.

          • Robert Messmer

            Jack:

            That is all fine and good. If one of these states’ Voter ID Laws stated “this requirement does not apply to white citizens” or “only blacks and other minorities are required” or even “no Democratic voters will be issued” I would certainly agree that the DOJ should sue. However, I am pretty sure that none of these laws that Holder is suing about say anything at all like that. Everyone, Christian, Atheist, black, white, majority, minority, male, female, unsure, everyone voting has to have an ID. There is no attempt to prevent anyone who is legally entitled to vote from doing so.

          • Jack

            Robert Messmer:

            I am glad to hear that you don’t believe that anyone should be denied the right to vote because of their race or political beliefs.

            What you don’t seem to realize is that the whole voter id thing is nothing but a bugaboo. There is no evidence of any real problem with in person voter fraud no matter how hard and how many millions that Bush II and other Repubs have expended trying to prove that it exists.

            Instead of just accepting the garbage, ask for specific numbers – how many people in your state have actually been arrested, prosecuted, convicted of in person voter fraud in the past 5, 10, 15, 20 years. This means a person voted using someone elses name. A felon voting in there own name is not in person voter fraud. Remember in over 56 years and in spending some 90 million dollars Bush II was only able to come up with less than 300 cases over 300 million votes cast.

            Is it a mere coincidence that states like N.C. pass laws requiring driver’s licenses as photo Id when the Republican legislators know fully well that hundreds of thousands of black democratic voters don’t have cars and therefore do not have driver’s licenses? Is it a coincidence that state issued college Ids are not acceptable voter identification when Republican legislators know fully well that the vast majority of college students vote democratic?

            If you really think that Republican politicians are not trying to reduce voting by people who tend to vote for democrats then you are living in a fantasy world.

          • Robert Messmer

            There has been zero cases of any member of any minority being refused an ID card with proper documentation. Just because they don’t drive doesn’t mean they can’t get ID card which they need if they get a job, cash a check, claim lottery winnings, etc. This is a non-issue being pursued by Holder simply because he can do it.

          • Jack

            Robert Messner:

            Since its not your right to vote that is being affected you really don’t give a damn.

            LIve in your dream world. One day someone may be trying to stop you from voting, then you might wake up and realize how mislead you have been.

    • Robert Messmer

      There was no election in 2001! Presidential elections are always held in years evenly divisible by 4.

    • 848484

      AWAKEN! YOU ARE ABOUT TO BE HIT BY A TRAIN OR SOMETHING.

  • Sunshine49

    You probably also believe that a belief in God is not necessary for your eternal salvation either. That’s IF you even believe there is a God? It’s people like you who believe that man can rule himself who have made the world the mess it is today.

  • Sic Semper Tyrannis

    Romney and his Republican Establishment stabbed Ron Paul in the back, not only in the controlled primaries but also in the controlled GOP Convention breaking the rules and making up new ones to get around it. Now, where do you think those voters went who were completely disenfranchised from the GOP political process by the tyrannical behavior of the GOP Establishment??? If THAT was what the GOP is all about – TYRANNY & elimination of the democratic process – I’m absolutely sure they wanted no part of it whatsoever!!! They certainly didn’t go to the polls for Romney!!! The TEA Partiers lost respect when of the 80 or so TEA partiers elected to Congress, 67 of them betrayed the American People by giving Obama a blank check for 2 trillion dollars to pay back his politcal cronies on August 1st, 2011, not even a year after they took office! This was proof in the pudding to True Conservatives that the TEA Party movement had been successfully co-opted by the GOP Establishment. The TEA Party had lost all of its credibility with us. If the TEA Party had gotten the message and became truly independent of the GOP not just in word but in deeds as well, there might have been a better result in 2012.

    • ExposeThem

      Amen!

    • dan

      once you wrap your head around the fact that it’s ‘the system’ ,or in Bible parlance, The Beast….then you begin to see that we need a moral solution to a political (man made) problem.

    • me

      Romney was just another poor choice the Republicans made just like McCain was 5 years ago. Polls at the beginning of the republican primary campaign said paul could beat Owebunhole. The elitist manipulaters of our elections pushed him out and one of ther chosen won. Check out the video the “Obama deception online”. It mentions how our elections work.

      • Jack

        me:

        Polls never showed that Paul would beat Obama. Most people in the US are neither Libertarians nor Republicans and while they make like some of the things Paul believes in they do not want most of his policies.

        You are right about what the “leadership” of the Republican party did to Paul. It was disgraceful.

      • 848484

        ROMNEY WAS RUNNING WITH AN ANCHOR AROUND HIS ANKLE. RE READ THE ARTICLE.

  • Sic Semper Tyrannis

    50 Secretaries of State and 50 State legislatures allowed the biggest fraud in Amerikan history to be on the ballot in their States in the face of overwhelming evidence of his forgeries and fraudulent SSN. They all gave him a free pass. This alone should tell you something about the level of corruption in the District of Criminals. It has reached to the States as well and even to the counties as witnessed by how many County courts gave Obama a free pass as well. Not one State Attorney General or County District Attorney has challenged Obama’s authenticity to be on the ballot or brought all of this overwhelming evidence of fraud to a Grand Jury or judge for indictments. This is a Federal/State/County RICO operation we are witnessing, and to think the electronic voting is not rigged under such circumstances is utterly ludicrous!!!

    • Jack

      Sic Semper:

      Does the fact that the vast majority of the elected officials that you say did nothing to keep Obama off the ballot are in fact Republicans cause you to even think for a minute that what you believe about the “overwhelming evidence” is wrong? Probably not. Most righties don’t spend much time either thinking or fact checking.

      • 848484

        YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT. HOWEVER, TAKING EXTREME ACTION TO STOP OBOZO UNTIL AFTER THE 2014 ELECTIONS, SHOULD THEY GOOD CONSERVATIVE, IS FOOLISH AND A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY.

      • Sic Semper Tyrannis

        I am an Independent Constitutionalist. I voted for Ron Paul as a write-in candidate whether it was counted or not. If being a Constitutionalist is a crime now in this country and apparently it is judging by recent statements coming from the FBI, consider me as convicted as the day is long! To me, as a Constitutionalist, it is wrong to cherry-pick the Constitution as both of the criminal parties in the District of Criminals do everyday.

        The GOP doesn’t want to touch it now because it is High Treason that directly implicates them, too; it’s called in legal parlance a “misprision of a felony”. Originally, when the evidence was coming forward, they avoided it because they thought stupidly and naively that it was a Democrat trick to sucker them into being labeled racists. Remember how Rush Bimbo said, “It’s a Democrat trick; don’t fall for it!” Now, 5 years after the fact and many murders later, the GOP is just as guilty of Treason as the Democrats for standing by and doing absolutely nothing.

        I have seen and perused much of the evidence on several websites for the past 5 years – several legal websites and otherwise. I have seen the documents presented to the courts – now over 130 courts. The legal arguments made by the Obama Defense Attorneys and judges were utterly ridiculous! The legal arguments made by Governors and Secretaries of State defied common sense and insulted our intelligence. They dismissed out of hand incontrovertible evidence from many experts and detectives with no legal basis whatsoever; it was purely prejudicial! It was egregiously outrageous and so transparently obvious what they were doing.

        His bogus Birth Certificate was proved by intelligence agencies the world over to be a pathetic, rank forgery within minutes of its release on April 27th, 2011. It was therefore followed several days later on May 1st, 2011, by the bogus Osama bin Laden assassination to distract the Amerikan Sheeple from the crime of High Treason and boost his re-election chances. The whole world knows he’s a fraud now; he’s a laughingstock! They wonder incredulously how so many gullible Amerikans still can’t see this, but many are brainwashed by the CIA/CFR-controlled MSM and the talk radio shills covering for the petrified Treasonous GOP now caught in the headlights with their pants down.

        I have found that the same fools who believe Obama meets Constitutional muster are often the same MSM spoon-fed fools who believe the government’s fairytale of 9/11, the Osama bin Laden assassination fairytale, the Boston Massacre fairytale, the Aurora Colorado fairytale, the Benghazi fairytale, the FBI Murrah Bldg fairytale, the TWA 800 fairytale, the JFK, RFK, and MLK fairytales, and countless others. They wouldn’t question their government because government for these folks is GOD!!! These are fools on the Left and the Right. The ones on the Right “worship” their country and their military; they have been completely Neoconned. They send their sons and daughters off to these illegitimate wars based on lies to be slaughtered and maimed for life; it is utterly sick. They sit in their pews in church hearing their gullible Neoconned preachers praise their sons and daughters in the military as “heroes” for WHAT: slaughtering innocent Muslims over nothing more than a hideously evil LIE??? Is this what is supposed to be Christlike behavior???

        As usual, your response belies your implied diligence in checking out Obama’s credentials. You employed the Left’s favorite psychological trick du jour, the “psychological projection” maneuver whereby you accuse others of your own shortcomings.

        • Jack

          Sic Semper:

          You blew off my question because you can’t honestly answer it without acknowledging that your voter fraud premises is a complete sham..

          Come on, how do you explain that the vast majority of so called voter fraud that you guys claimed elected Obama, occurred in States were Republicans were in control of the governorship, legislature and the administration of the elections including counting the votes? The election was supposed to have been stolen yet you guys would have the world believe that with all that “:evidence” the Republicans would just stand by and say and do nothing. Anyone who would believe that has an IQ of 50 or less.i

          I never addressed Obama’s “credentials”. You brought that up..

          I will say that if you spent a little time researching the claims you would find that just about everything is a lie that some rightwinger started because they failed to do basic research – for instance the claim that
          Obama’s birth hospital didn’t exist was started by an idiot who went on line and couldn’t a hospital with that name currently in existence. If they would have spent 10 minutes more in research they would have found that the name of the hospital was changed a few years after Obama.s birth.

          You would also find that your so called legal websites are far from being those of legal scholars. They are the Orly Taitz’s types who have reputation for being legal idiots. By the way why Orly is 0-18 (at least) in her suits relating to Obama including losses in Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi.

          You are free to have your own opinions You can chose for those opinions to be based on fact or ignorance if you wish. Me, I want my opinions to be based on truth. That’s why when I hear or read something that is important to me, I will NOT just take anyone’s word for anything. I will research the claim myself before I accept it as true or reject it as false.

          Real research does not mean just going from one right wing source to another.

  • ExposeThem

    I agree with all you have stated, Mr Root except the premise that the IRS works for Obama. He’s not that capable. From the 2008 election campaign of Obama, I noticed Obama was performing at the will of the Federal Reserve. He is “their guy.” The IRS is the collection agency of the Federal Reserve. They & the other world banking families are one group who is driving a coup of the U.S. Big pharma is another.

  • PWe72

    I said from the “git-go”, Biden is the best possible insurance Obama could have.

    • me

      Biden is nothing but an President Owebunhole butt kisser.

  • laura merrone

    Are we a republic or an empire? If what this article says is true, we are washed up as a republic. I don’t know what the future holds for us, but it doesn’t look too good…

  • Carlos

    I’ll say this, What has happened in our country for the last five years is the result of not only chicanery at the voting booth, it’s mostly a result of stupid people, trying to convince the world they are not racist and so proud we have an intelligent black man running for president. They weren’t concerned about this man’s background or if he really is as intelligent as he sounds,
    they didn’t realize this man spoke through a teleprompter, using words someone put in his mouth , they didn’t pay attention when he couldn’t answer the simplest question pertaining to outstanding legislation. They don’t understand they were conned not only by Barry.but, by there own political party.
    Now they are in the process of covering for a president who has so many scandals pending it will take special prosecutors a long time to unravel, of course Barry doesn’t have to worry, his Attorney General is just as crooked as himself so there’s no danger of any special prosecutor being appointed that wouldn’t be sympathetic to the president.

  • Oliver_K_Manuel

    The UN’s Agenda 21 was the basis for the AGW scam. The latest report from the UN’s IPCC confirms that climate game is finished. The empirical facts are just this and nothing less:

    Invisible force fields from the Sun’s pulsar core keep every atom, life and world in the solar system connected to its Creator !

    Al Gore, the United Nations, their science advisors and mainstream journals and news media have lost all credibility.

    With kind regards,
    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo

    • arkham

      It seems you learned nothing from the REAL scientists at NASA.

      Climate change is real and human activity is accelerating it. Only fools who believe that Adam and Eve rode to church on dinosaurs and that Ted Cruz does not have a rectum where his mouth should be deny it.

      • 848484

        WHAT B.S. YOU HAVE YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND AND BUTT IN THE BREEZE.

        Atmospheric CO2 concentrations were several times current levels in the
        Earth’s geologic history, with no evidence of the resulting catastrophes
        promoted by global warming hysterics, like President Obama. William Happer,
        professor of physics at Princeton University, and a former director of the
        Office of Energy Research at the U.S. Department of Energy, wrote in the
        Wall Street Journal on May 8, 2013, “The current levels of carbon
        dioxide in the earth’s atmosphere, approaching 400 parts per million, are low by
        the standards of geological and plant evolutionary history. Levels were 3,000
        ppm, or more, until the Paleogene period (beginning about 65 million years
        ago).” He concludes, “We know that carbon dioxide has been a much larger
        fraction of the earth’s atmosphere than it is today, and the geological record
        shows that life flourished on land and in the oceans during those times. The
        incredible list of supposed horrors that increasing carbon dioxide will bring
        the world is pure belief disguised as science.”

        • Deerinwater

          well, ~ people are prone to say anything. ~ NASA has had the “skinny” on climate change since D1ck Chaney demanded that NASA “put a lid on it” seems his ambitions and NASA research had a conflict of interest.

          let me see if I can find anything on it~ hang on a sec.

          ” Politicians from both parties seem eager to listen to the
          deniers: following their view requires no action. Politicians don’t seem to understand the gravity of the
          situation we are in. “On the contrary,” Hansen writes, “they are pursuing policies to get every last drop
          of fossil fuel, including coal, by whatever means necessary, regardless of environmental damage.”
          Well, Dr. Hansen has had enough. He is speaking of the dire consequences of business as usual.
          In this work Hansen speaks of efforts to silence him. Some years ago, all NASA press releases were
          being funneled to the White House for approval or changes. Under the influence of Vice President
          Dick Cheney, political appointees such as former NASA Administrator Sean O’Keefe, with no scientific
          background, were put in charge of NASA and, Hansen notes, “by 2005, I was well aware that the
          NASA Office of Public Affairs had become an office of propaganda.”

          Read more; http://rtdouse.com/Climate%20Change%20and%20Global%20Warming.html

          A NASA climate research report

          http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence

          • 848484

            One explanation climatologists like Dr. Roy Spencer suggest is the increasing
            body of research that indicates the atmosphere responds differently to higher
            concentrations of atmospheric carbon dioxide, in ways
            that had not been recognized before. Evidence suggests that the atmosphere simply releases much
            more CO2 into space than previously thought, like it’s own safety valve. CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and if trapped entirely within the atmosphere, the global mean temperatures would likely
            increase.

            Dr. Spencer, a principal research scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and former U.S. Science Team Leader at NASA, reports, “real-world
            data from NASA’s Terra satellite contradict multiple assumptions fed into alarmist computer models.”

            “The satellite observations suggest there is much more energy lost to space during and after warming than the climate models show. There is a huge
            discrepancy between the data and the forecasts that is especially big over the oceans,” Spencer stated in a peer-reviewed article two years ago.

            Spencer’s research team said that not only is there much less heat being trapped in the atmosphere, than projected by alarmist models, but that the NASA
            satellite data show that the atmosphere begins
            releasing the excessive heat and CO2 into space much sooner, and in much larger quantities, than IPCC computer models have predicted. Spencer indicates that’s the most significant reason why
            all of the UN models are erroneous in their projections.

            Two months ago, a group of 20 former NASA scientists, published the results of a year-long exhaustive study of all of the AGW research they could get their hands on. They arrived at several conclusions, but the most salient to this
            discussion, were, ”The science that predicts the extent of anthropogenic global warming is not settled science,” and “There is no convincing physical evidence of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming; most of the alarm results from
            output of invalidated computer models.” And finally, “Because there is no immediate threat of global warming requiring swift corrective action, scientists
            have time to study global climate changes and improve prediction accuracy.”

          • Deerinwater

            The key phrase in Dr. Spencer’s assessment is “immediate threat”.

            Our global climate is currently undergoing change, ~ that is not a debatable statement. While anything related to this change is and can be.

            Being seen as “no immediate threat” seems to be a problem of it’s own, for when it becomes an immediate threat, ~ it’s then too late to do anything about it.

            That climate shifting will most likely never affect you or I in a very real way seems to place it in the class of rumor or fiction ~ while it is very real and certain to create serious hardships for future generations ~ whether we elect to address it today or not.

            Have you not heard of the recent heat wave in Greenland as holes in the atmosphere opened up?

            We are play a game of Russian Roulette in a very real way by our indecisive attitude or out right denial of climate change.

            “Greenland ice sheet melted at unprecedented rate during July

            Scientists at Nasa admitted they thought satellite readings were a mistake after images showed 97% surface melt over four days”

            http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/jul/24/greenland-ice-sheet-thaw-nasa

            We do have the time to address these holes in our atmosphere ~ and we (the world community) have been for several years ~ in spite of opposition place into effect by Big Oil Interest money and their GOP lap dawg.

            There is no need to overreact ~ while under-reacting is only worst.

            There has never been a ship made that can stay afloat very long without running routine pumping and especially when she is underway. Water get in and fills bilge voids, it’s only natural forces in play a man attempts to defy nature and her predictable and not so predictable ways.

            Consider the addressing of climate shifting as being proactive and a part of routine maintenance of our space ship, the planet earth, our home base of operations. For if we don’t take care of our ship, our ship will one day surly fail to serve us well.

            It’s not a parlor trick! The earth really is “round” and blue and really not that big at all, ~

            See more;

            http://www.planetary.org/explore/space-topics/earth/pics-of-earth-by-planetary-spacecraft.html

      • Oliver_K_Manuel

        There is no convincing evidence man-made CO2 caused global warming. NONE.

  • Bill

    Good article, Wayne
    Add in some illegal alien voter fraud and your formula is correct

    • arkham

      Unlike the election W stole with the help of the Supreme Court that overstepped its power.

      • Bill

        Where is the Supreme Court when we need them?

        • Protonius

          Don’t you mean “Where is a JUST Supreme Court when we need them”?

      • Carlos

        The Supreme Court followed the law. Thank God W won, to think of Algor as president is almost sickening, he’s the only one who could be worse than Barry.
        And it’s so nice to see someone give the Demos a taste of their own medicine.
        Fraudulent voting doesn’t always win!, Florida proved that
        .Even the media count couldn’t pull that one out for Algor.

  • Deerinwater

    About the only thing that seems to be “increasingly clear” is that the GOP is on the verge of spending a whole lot of money to loss another General Election Mr. Root.

    Bold talk when we don’t even know who the candidates will be but I’m a sporting man with a nose such things.

    It will be the Tea Party that hands us a DNC victory in 2016 ~ “IF” all current political affiliations and powers that be, stay on their current course.

    My opinion is based on what I see building ~ having nothing what so ever to do my personal desires

    • Carlos

      Deerinwater, If the government is shut down it will be on Barrys shoulder, even though the media will paint it otherwise, I thiink most people will recognize who is causing the trouble. The media tried to blame the republicans last time, yet, most people saw it otherwise and after all was said and done they were exonerated.

      As far as future elections are concerned, after eight years of this disaster I think most people would vote for a dog catcher. The welfare/socialist vote won’t change, however, those that think about the country will. If the Republican party doesn’t change it’s leadership, the possibility of a successful third party candidate could win the White House.

  • terri

    Disapprove Obama…We don’t trust him for longer term. Because who stole vote tickets add in machine voter & support Obama. I didn’t vote him in 2012. Shocking people favored him beat Romney lose elected. IDOIT people! Obama’s fake cerf birth, why he lie U.S. House Rep, Wht House chief, Congression, Senate? Should you arrest him quick now? Let you do it save American not destorying us.
    Courage!

  • Robbie

    #3 Frankly this is a stupid contention. The U.S. spends more on the military than the NEXT 25 top military spenders COMBINED and I don’t see ANY reduction on that spending anywhere in sight. It may have been the dream of some communist back in the 50’s but sure hasn’t happened and that’s like in 60 years!

    #6 Foreign aid often benefits the donor more than the recipient. Foreign aid is often used as a way of influencing foreign governments into siding with the donor. Egypt is a perfect example of that. In any case seeing as there are not too many communist states around anymore (they have fallen by the wayside which you seem unaware of) its kind of a mute issue at this point. Also if the U.S. wanted to help out only totally democratic and free nations there wouldn’t be a very long list to choose from!

    #7 Do YOU think China – with 1.4 billion people – should be excluded from the United Nations? Are you nuts? But why are you concerned about China being recognized in the U.N.? Americans recognize China every day when they shop at Walmart and Target etc. and American capitalistic business recognize China every time they open a factory over there to get cheap labour and more profits whilst screwing Americans who are without work. If trade with China is a sign that America is going to slide into a communistic economy you had better alert all the American capitalists who are flocking there. And, by the way, America not only uses cheap Chinese labour. Americans are pretty happy to see American products there. Certain soft drink makers are happy to sell even one drink a day to the one billion, 400 million Chinese let alone everything else we sell to them! China is a big money maker for American capitalists. If anything – when you actually think about it – China has been coming our way towards capitalism NOT us turning communist.

    #15 You don’t really think either of the parties have gone commie do you? Please get sensible.

    #17 The “party line” in textbooks. I don’t think so. Perhaps you can give some examples. I think this is false news.

    #21 Commies in the media? Again, care to offer some names of commies in the media? Proof please.

    #24 I’m not sure how ones attitude towards obsenities has anything to do with America supposedly becoming a communist economic system.

    #27 I personally know that many aspects of religion are a crock of horse manure. That does NOT make me or anyone else a communist.

    #29 I don’t see anything wrong with promoting co-operation between nations. Doing so does not make one a communist or a capitalist. It makes you a reasonable, open minded person. You need to get out more.

    #30 I don’t see any American leaders doing this. It may have been some goal by someone in the 50’s but I don’t see this as valid at all.

    #31 This is not true or valid. If anything Americans are taught too LITTLE about the rest of the world. Most Americans can not even find the middle east on a freakin”map!

    #32 In a big country federal laws are necessary to ensure even forms of justice and services to everyone. Nothing wrong with that. And it’s NOT communism.

    #34 Wow, you really are stuck in the 50’s.

    #38 America has THE GREATEST degree of incarsiration in the world. No danger of running out of prisoners!

    #40 Divorce leads to communism?

    #41 And who, exactly, does THIS?

    Basically the U.S. is not heading towards becoming a communist country. Most communist countries have already disappeared and the biggest one still is China which is rapidly becoming capitalistic with our help. So your 1950’s thing about America going communists is outdated and false to put it mildly and plain stupid to put it bluntly.

    As it turns out I’ll be on a month long trip around China and Vietnam starting this Friday. I’ll have some KFC and a drink of Pepsi on you while I’m there!!! Have a good day (unless you have other plans) and watch out for all those commies hiding under your bed and in your basement.

    • xoxozo

      Glad to see you took the time to at least read them…You and I are NOT going to agree now change the others mind on the issue of what’s happening to our country. I am 64 yrs old, a woman and I have SEEN the change that has occurred in the last 40 yrs in all areas… When my children were young ( 44 & 39 now) every few years it was “Raise taxes, we need more $$ for the CHILDREN”… and we gave it, all the while education has gotten worse to where we are not #1 in the global ratings any longer.
      We are slowly losing our place in strength around the globe. I guess this is ok with you??? NOT ME!!
      Thanks for the conversations but I don’t have the time to go on and on with you. I will wait and let you have the last word. Hope you have a wonderful life when the Gov’t takes over everything… Read “Atlas Shrugged”

      • Robbie

        Yes I read Atlas in university. I know it is a favorite book of one of your favorite politicians. The funny thing about that is that Rand was FOR all kinds of things that right wingers hate. She was pro abortion and all kinds of womens’ rights etc. that the Right is against. Yet, for a while they ran around much touting her without really knowing much about her.

        Regarding your comments on education I was reminded of a little blurb I’d hand out to my students when I was teaching. The author spent perhaps 200 words complaining about the youth and education and how the world was going to hell in a handbasket. I would ask the kids who they thought might have written it and when. Many of them would say that it more or less sounded like their parents or grandparents talking about the good old days when things were so much better. Only AFTER the discussions would I reveal that it was written in Athens in the 5th. century B.C.! You can take from that what you wish.

        • xoxozo

          Ahhh a teacher…that explains it all. Good union commrade

          • Robbie

            Yes, being an educator is a wonderfully rewarding profession. Although I’ve been retired from that for 12 years I still keep up with over 60 of my former “kids” many of whom now have kids of their own. A few even have grandchildren! We have a big reunion every summer on my terrace. It was an honour and a privilege to be a teacher. My subject was Ancient & Medieval history and sometimes American history and I can tell you that I learned more in my lessen preparations than I ever did at university (and I went to three of those). I take it you are basically anti intellectual. I know what that’s like as several folks in my extended family are that way. They care only for money and business and working. They have virtually no interest in travel, in art, theatre or any other cultural pursuit unless you consider watching baseball games as culture. They don’t read and they tend to think that America is a nation unmatched by any other in any way at all. They think they are happy which may be all that counts but their lives are basically empty, hollow, and with few meaningful rewards.

          • xoxozo

            Congratulations

          • xoxozo

            Congratulations…& I might add I’m a retired Nurse, I have been to numerous European countries, Mexico AND more importantly 35 States.

            I also know a lot of physicians who happen to love baseball and football so being intellectual has nothing to do with sports.

            I am NOT anti intellectual…only against anti Americanism.
            They have every right to move wherever they wish, but NOT TO destroy the Constitution to change us into a semi socialist nation.

          • Robbie

            You ARE a socialist nation already and have been for a long time. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security: these are socialist measures. Also, true Christians would naturally be socialists: take care of the sick and the poor and loving your neighbour as thyself and all that other Jesus talk. Oh, and storing treasure in heaven not on earth.

  • Jack

    Sic Semper:

    I am sorry that your hatred for Obama has caused you to want to live in the fantasy world of right wing loonies who make things up in an attempt to justify their beliefs.

    I don’t understand people like you. You can dislike or hate Obama without believing and promoting one lie after another about him.

    Your claim that the Governor of Hawaii never found an credible legal record is an absolute lie which of course you believe and repeat.

    The fuss about the Social Security number has been totally disproved but you don’t know that since you only believe sources that promote that crap.

    The rest of your post is more of the same right wing spiel that is based upon lies and/or distortions of what really happened..

    Orly Taitz is a idiot. I hope that if you ever have any legal needs that you don’t hire someone like her to help you out.

    • Sic Semper Tyrannis

      Care to prove your assertion that the SSN has been “proven” to be valid??? I would love to see your proof, and do pleae tell me why not a single government lawyer has presented such proof??? Care to prove why Orly Taitz is an idiot other than citing unsubstantiated opinions from the controlled media??? The only thing idiotic about Dr. Taitz is her shameless support for the Zionist Neocons in our government and Israel’s government; other than that, she is a tireless defender of the Constitution. Her being a Jew, I am not surprised to see her buying the government’s 9/11 lie like most idiot sheeple in Amerika do and defending the criminal, bloodthirsty, and murderous Neocons. Not a single defense lawyer has been able to present any credible evidence in defense of Obama whatsoever in a court of law.

      • Jack

        Sic Semper:

        Here are three places you can go and read about the so called SS number issue. .The third one is about how the SS claims are false but goes on to claim that Obama had to have been claimed as not being a US citizen while in was a kid going to school in Indonesia

        http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/ssn.aspIts

        http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/social-security-number/

        http://obamacrimes.com/?p=1610

        I doubt you will ever go to any of these sites and read them including the links that are contained in them.

        Orly Taitz is an idiot because she constantly makes claims but when you look at her so called evidence its all smoke and mirrors. I don’t know anything about her being a Jew or anything to do with Israel. My opinion is based solely on things like her birther junk.

    • Sic Semper Tyrannis

      Nor will I ever understand sheeple like you who when confronted with the facts continue to live in a state of cognitive dissonance allowing your emotions to arrest your own cognitive faculties and hold them hostage until the day finally arrives when they come for you and put you in the FEMA camps. When your god – government, Obama, Washington, District of Criminals – runs out of money, destroys your currency, arrests you, and betrays you, and lets you die of thirst and hunger, or worse executes you, who then will be your saving grace??? When you stand before God, what will you say on your own behalf??? Why do you defend the serial murderer in the White House??? I despise all of the past several serial murderers who have been in the White House since George H.W. Bush. They are all pathological liars and psychotic murderers; who on Earth believes anything these liars say??? If you haven’t noticed all the murders Obama has committed since he declared his candidacy, you haven’t been paying attention, or are still living in a mental state of cognitive dissonance. Now, go back to sleep, sheep, in the “land of the fee, home of the slave”.