Warning: Obama’s Secret Police Know You Are Reading This

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“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” — Edmund Burke

Do you feel safer knowing President Barack Obama’s Secret Police — whoops, I mean his National Security Agency (NSA) — are monitoring your communications and everything you read on the Internet, including these very words? Certainly, you are supposed to feel safer. Just ask almost anyone in the mainstream media, as well as most Democrats and even Republicans in Congress (the very members we trust to protect our liberties). They are busy acquiescing to Obama’s tyranny all in the name of national security.

It seems the Obama-media and members of Congress have not read a word of history. They seem to have never heard of a democratically elected leader who enslaved Europe and started a war that killed 60 million people while his government, police and justice system turned a blind eye to every excess. All they have to do is a Google search for “Adolf Hitler.” Maybe they don’t do that because it would be a record of subversive inquiries.

James Bamford writes in The Shadow Factory: The Ultra-Secret NSA from 9/11 to the Eavesdropping on America: “There is now the capacity to make tyranny total in America.”

Yet hardly anybody seems to care, other than Libertarians like former Congressman Ron Paul, who said the NSA revelations are “a predictable result of a government that continues to erode our liberties while promising some glimmering hope of security.”

I was naïve enough to believe that others, like Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), would be outraged by the Obama Administration’s attack on the 1st and 4th Amendments. Graham says he is not sure who is entitled to 1st Amendment rights. It could be that Personal Liberty Digest and the people who comment on the columns and stories don’t have guaranteed protection.

“Who is a journalist is a question we need to ask ourselves,” Graham said. “Is any blogger out there saying anything — do they deserve 1st Amendment protection? These are the issues of our times.”

The French Trusted Hitler

Graham said last week he is unconcerned that the Obama Administration has his Verizon phone records because he’s not “talking to terrorists.”

Graham told FOX News: “I am glad the NSA is trying to find out what terrorists are up to overseas and inside the country.”

The host said he was a Verizon subscriber and was, therefore, being tracked by the federal government. Graham weighed:

“I’m a Verizon customer. I don’t mind Verizon turning over records to the government if the government is going to make sure that they try to match up a known terrorist phone with somebody in the United States,” he said.

“I don’t think you’re talking to terrorists, I know you’re not, I know I’m not, so we don’t have anything to worry about,” Graham said. “I’m glad the activity’s going on, but it is limited to tracking people who are suspected to be terrorists and who they may be talking to.”

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Graham also admitted that it wasn’t until the news broke about the NSA the day before that he knew anything about what the top secret agency was doing. I am glad Graham is sure they aren’t doing anything bad. And I am really glad Graham has looked into his crystal ball and can predict that the Obama Administration will never abuse power.

It is amazing that our elected representatives will allow Obama to operate his spy network without objection or restraint. As for me, I wouldn’t have trusted Mother Teresa with that much authority. One thing is certain, Germans embraced Hitler in part because he was so damn charismatic. They also embraced him because they feared people like the French, who in the 1930s were the bugaboo for millions of Germans. It turned out that Germany had a lot more to fear from the likes of Hitler, Heinrich Himmler and the Gestapo than it did from the French.

The insiders really knew from the very start who Hitler was. A man good with words was German Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels, who wrote:

In 1933, a French premier ought to have said (and if I had been the French premier, I would have said it): “The new Reich Chancellor is the man who wrote Mein Kampf, which says this and that. This man cannot be tolerated in our vicinity. Either he disappears or we march!” But they didn’t do it.

Obama’s Power-Play Based On Fear

But idiots abound on the left. On “Real Time,” Bill Maher said he doesn’t mind that the NSA has these powers because he trusts Obama. He then added that he wouldn’t want to see such powers in the hands of a Republican President. Maher added we have to accept sweeping powers by Obama or a future President because terrorists want to use “nukes.” Yes, friends, the nuke argument! Maher seems to believe if we don’t allow Obama these dictatorial powers an American city is going to be incinerated next week.

Most in Congress, including all our trusted Republicans, are espousing what Maher is saying. It is simple: If we resist the government, all hell will break loose. Or as Dr. Peter Venkman (Bill Murray) declares in the movie “Ghostbusters”: “Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… mass hysteria!”

There’s all this fear over Muslim fanatics whose most advanced weapon is an AK-47 and whose typical mode of transportation is a horse or camel.

The liberals are terrible oddsmakers. There is a greater chance of getting struck by lightning than of getting maimed or killed by a terrorist. And what are the chances that the Federal government will not abuse its secret spy apparatus? Perhaps the odds are 10-to-1. If you are an optimist, you might place them at 100-to-1. That is a pretty big gamble.

All Must Be OK, Because Obama Tell Us So

I am convinced that Obama is not interested in protecting America from terrorists. Glenn Greenwald, the reporter for The Guardian who broke the NSA story, thinks the same. He told Piers Morgan on CNN:

“There is a massive apparatus within the United States government that with complete secrecy has been building this enormous structure that has only one goal, and that is to destroy privacy and anonymity, not just in the United States but around the world.

“It’s well past time that we have a debate about whether that’s the kind of country and world in which we want to live. We haven’t had that debate because it’s all done in secrecy and the Obama Administration has been very aggressive about bullying and threatening anybody who thinks about exposing it or writing about it or even doing journalism about it. It’s well past time that that come to an end.”

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Greenwald claims that terrorists who represent a threat to Americans have known for years that electronic traffic is being monitored. That is why they use couriers.

On Friday, Obama explained that there is no need to worry or fuss and that our freedoms are being protected because his heart is in the right place.

“[My] observation is, is that the people who are involved in America’s national security, they take this work very seriously,” Obama said. “They cherish our Constitution. The last thing they’d be doing is taking programs like this to listen to people’s phone calls.”

I don’t know about you, but somehow Obama’s rhetoric didn’t comfort me, especially when he added: “[I]n the abstract, you can complain about Big Brother and how this is a potential, you know — you know, program run amok. But when you actually look at the details, I think we’ve struck the right balance.”

 
Isn’t the devil in the details? And didn’t Obama say he is a Christian and went to Columbia University? And in 2003, he declared that the Patriot Act was “shoddy and dangerous” and something he would help dispose of if he was elected to the U.S Senate.

We can always cross our fingers and really hope that this time Obama is telling the truth. Or we can face the grim reality that William Pitt, the British prime minster of the late 18th century, understood:  “Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it.”

Obama doesn’t have unlimited power yet, but he is working on it.

Yours in good times and bad,

–John Myers

Personal Liberty

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • Harold Olsen

    Warning: Obama’s Secret Police Know You Are Reading This
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    I salute them with my middle finger extended!

    • FreedomFighter

      I salute them also with both hands, though one finger is broken and crooked like them.
      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

  • C. T. Weber

    It was true under Bush. It’s true under Obama. Both Republicans and Democrats are working to undermine any form of democratic input for our republic.

    • Betta

      C.T. – democracy is mob rule. We are a Constitutional Republic – Rule of Law. Democracy deserves no place here. Read up on what democracy is and how a democratic society never lasts past 200-250 years.

      Anyone on capitol hill describing us as a democracy is not fit to run for any office in government.

  • txbadonetoo

    I’m as conservative as they come.. Lindsey Graham and John McCain need to go. Either the NSA has dirt on them or they’ve sold their souls for some other reason. Regardless – I look forward to the day when both of them are no longer part of Congress.

    • mari

      Good point. It could explain some of the decisions that judges, those that represent us, witnesses, and others have made. Why some people have been afraid to speak up, and some have said the opposite of what they should have. Democrats think that they are not going to be hurt by prez Obama. They are idiots. Once all of the pieces are in place (gun control, information control, election control, media control, judicial control, police control, army control, movement control, religion control, and free speech control) he will remove his mask and then turn on these mindless followers.

  • worldwatchman

    Check on suspected terrorist not the whole country. Stop all immigration into our country from Islamic countries. Stop all people from questionable countries such as China from coming here to go to school. Seal the borders and deport ALL illegal aliens from all countries. Don’t make all American citizens out to be terrorist. Todays government should NOT be puzzled as to why Americans don’t have faith in them or trust them at all. Our government is broken and needs to get the old guard out and start a new following and adhering strictly to the Constitution and not make it in the way you want it. Americans are fed up with a government who has us broke and then spies on us. This government is doomed to collapse. The politicians won’t be able to borrow their way out of this, this time. They are creating a situation that they won’t be able to hide from the American people.

    • rhcrest

      Your suggestions involve too much common sense and are too logical. Here in America we are now in the twilight zone. A bizarro upside down world where good is bad and bad is good. Where the enemies are protected and the innocent attacked.

      • Wizzardly

        Sure sounds like Orwell’s “1984”

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Since NSA scandal the sales of “1984” has gone up, but why does waking up take so long? When people were warned they mocked the warnings.

    • mari

      Profile our enemies, not our citizens. This is what happens when the media, schools, entertainment groups, set out to confound people and cover the truth. They do things like teach that profiling is bad, and that it is better to make the whole country suffer. They use our constitution against us by advocating giving its rights to non citizens, while denying them to us. No other country has such a lax and disastrous immigration policy.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        If our Government wasn’t bullying other countries’ citizens around the world, the number of our enemies would shrink to almost none.

        • mari

          It is so true that we need to stop trying to control the world. The enemies I refer to are the specific ones blowing us up here in our country. I don’t care why they’re here, I just want them to stop killing people willy-nilly. I want our country to profile and arrest them. Profiling some vet in a wheelchair, children, grandmothers, and Tea Party members is not helping. I don’t want my country treating people from other countries with kit gloves, while treating our citizens like criminals. I lived overseas for a while and visited numerous other countries. There was not one that allowed any criminal or even unpleasant behavior. They were gracious to well-behaved visitors but anyone who stepped outside of their guidelines became a person non grata. That’s all I want for my homeland.

    • Jbc53

      As a former Bechtel employee, my biggest concern about your plan is what if those countries respond, by doing the same thing? American companies like Bechtel will lose billions. Plus there are significant Muslim populations in the UK, France, Germany in fact the entire EU. So do we ask folks religions from those countries before we let them in? I worked for Bechtel projects in Indonesia and Saudi. Those countries will retaliate

      • Nadzieja Batki

        What is your point?You don’t even need to ask the immigrants what religion they are, if they come from certain countries it is a given that they will be Muslim. Christians or Jews are either in the minority or dead and gone. Buddhists do not survive in Muslim countries, they convert for their lives, are killed or banished.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Which body of people are the most meddlesome and dangerous people in the whole world — BY FAR?
      Hint: That same body of people who have severely brainwashed you and others like you.

  • vicki

    We have long speculated as to why no one in Congress seems to be doing anything about the scandals. Now we have a pretty good idea that obama really does have lots of blackmail material on everyone in Congress and every Federal judge. Maybe every judge.

    • Jbc53

      This program began right after 9/11. That means Bush had same info. So do you think Bush passed on his little info binders to Obama? YOu are so right. This conspiracy began way before Obama. Under Reagan he doubled its size. Bush increased its funding massively. Clinton and Bush both went to Yale. Reagan got an honorary degree from Yale. Both Bushes were members of the secret Skull and Bones society. Is the picture getting clearer?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      The answer to that is that Power is a mighty drug. It takes a strong constitution indeed to overcome that lust for Power and do what’s best for the people they represent. Most of the Congressmen are feathering their own nests while talking out of the other side of their face to placate their constituents.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Vicki, O and his cronies do not need to have any blackmail material on any of the Congress or judges. Congress and the judges have feathered their nests to their comfort and the fear of losing all the years that they put into getting in position may make them fearful of starting from scratch or being poor or being a nonentity and the whole of America and the world knowing. That is why you see so much backbiting, and clawing, and covering and posturing.

  • Ranchman

    Something I’ve taught my two grown boys from childhood is, follow something to its logical conclusion. Whatever you do, think about all possible end results, how something can end up. In studying this country for many years now, it’s become obvious that the slide toward becoming a totalitarian state has been going on for decades, culminating in total control over the people, all natural resources, and even control over the income of every single American citizen. What I’m talking about here is a massive undertaking by certain people who have virtually unlimited funding, are passing their evil agenda down to succeeding generations of like-minded fellow travelers, and have access to the highest forms of technology known to man. This isn’t something that started back in the 1960’s or so, this move toward domination of global resources has been going on for much, much longer than any casual observer could even possibly realize. The question, as it has always been, is what can be done about it? How can we hope to overcome such a well planned, well funded and deeply entrenched agenda like what we only get a glimpse of every now and then? The move toward absolute total control over us is well advanced, how do we counter it? I firmly believe that those who would be rulers of the world have to control the people of this country, America, before they can be assured of world domination. Americans are a unique breed. We have a sense of and love for freedom unmatched anywhere else. And yet, as Pres. Wilson, a man who sold us out with the 1913 Federal Reserve Banking Act, said, when he realized how he had been manipulated, that there is a power so pervasive, so all-powerful, that nobody, even in the halls of power in DC, dare speak about it above a whisper (I’m not quoting him, it’s accurate but probably not perfect ;) What can we possibly hope to achieve by going against that type of planning which is being used against us? Any hope of being victorious over these “control freaks” (to put it very mildly) will require a concerted, well organized effort on our part, with all of us working together. America needs a leader, someone who can pull the people together, someone who can get everyone working together to defeat this evil agenda. I’d be worried about their personal safety, though. Whoever came even close to upsetting the apple cart would probably have a very big target on their back. But, regardless, that’s what I think we need. That’s my two cents worth anyway…

    • bruceb64

      WE had a chance to elect That man last year….But, due to Cheats, Liars, Intimidation. Romney was defeated.

      • KG

        No, it was the American people who didn’t want a guy who got rich off of stealing pension funds from business. It was the stacked Supreme Court of 2000 that really started our national nightmare.

        • FreedomFighter

          Obama is about to steal everyone’s retirement program, all of them, all 16 trillion worth…ahh the magic number isn’t it.
          Laus Deo
          Semper FI

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Surely you meant Ron Paul, not Romney?

    • John Cherish

      You do know that this world government was predicted in the bible and that even every good man on earth could not defeat it. The name of this one world government is the beast and God will war against it and defeat it. The stage is just being set for that battle

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      First, Americans must be educated to the true precepts of Freedom.

      Here is a good place to start:
      http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf

      • Bob666

        Yo Dave,

        One of the first books on the Libertarian party that I read after Reagan won his second term. I left the GOP soon after.

        • WTS/JAY

          You can read?

          • Bob666

            Been reading for 66 years Jay.

            As I tell my students-when you do your research, look for facts and the truth, not data to support your hypothesis since only the truth and facts will prove out.

            Otherwise, it’s just a hypothesis.

            Last night you’re “reliable source” was funny, tonight, it was just another supposition.

          • WTS/JAY

            A simple “yes” would have sufficed, Bob. (-:

          • Bob666

            Observing past exchanges should have answered your question regarding the obvious Jay.

            I would never want to deny you the opportunity for a snakie reply.

            http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/06/murdoch-divorce-stuns-satan.html?mbid=nl_Borowitz%20(137)

  • Betta

    “Isn’t the devil in the details? And didn’t Obama say he is a Christian and went to Columbia University? And in 2003, he declared that the Patriot Act was “shoddy and dangerous” and something he would help dispose of if he was elected to the U.S Senate.”

    Says he is a Christian…he lied. He is no more Christian than a rat.

    Says he went to Columbia U. – another lie he told as no one who went there the same time never saw hide nor hair of him.

    Said he would dispose of the Patriot Act – Yet another lie. He kept it going when it was due to expire.

    And those are just a few of the multitude of bald face LIES he’s told since he blew in from Kenya.

  • hippybiker

    “Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human liberty; it is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” William Pitt

    “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither, and will eventually loose both.” Benjamin Franklin

    “All that is needed for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing.” Edmund Burke.

    Wise words from wise men. It is time for the American people to educate ourselves. The government schools have helped to dumb down our posterity.

  • Dirty Daug

    Obama was placed as our President by the rich Muslim countries of the middle East. This was planned years ago after they discovered Obama was a person that they could control and his background was mostly Muslim. They had the money to keep his real records from the American’s and to make him new one’s like the one’s we know that are fake and that our Government won’t dare touch. Another thing these people had going for them was that Obama was Black and America would not dare impeach a Black President. So there you have it, Obama is just taking orders from someone else and living it up with lots of vacations. So when Obama is faced with answering some one’s question that he has no answer for he just lies about it. Will our Government ever impeach Obama and that answer is never as the one’s who could do it have been paid off or threatened. Obama could be proved to be a fake to all Americans and Obama will still be there as the President mostly because of money and threats. So it looks like we as Americans are up the creek without a paddle and in time the USA will be a Muslim nation. So what is next, a civil war, a Coup, I doubt it as we have no leader.

    • elmcqueen3

      God bless the whistle blowers…Every other nation knows our secrets…Every nation has their hackers with which to spy on other nations…In fact our government gives away many of our secrets…Remember the original space shuttle…Our government gave the Russians a full set of blue prints with all pertenent data with which to build their own…As for National Security…The only ones who are kept in the dark are you and I!

    • KG

      Or president, Mr Obama was chosen and elected by the American People. As proof for his legitimacy, Judge Roberts, a Republican appointee, swore him in as the President. His reelection last year just affirmed the American realization that the Republicans have no real interest in the welfare of the average American.

      Would you trust Dick Cheney any more?

      • Vigilant

        “The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of liberalism” they will adopt EVERY fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”

        Norman Thomas (Former Socialist Presidential Candidate)

        • Jbc53

          Hey Vigilant: Lets do a little test shall we. Why don’t you explain for us what socialism is, and then start listing some of the socialist programs in place. I’ll help you get started.
          Social Security
          Farm grants and subsidies
          VA programs
          Student Loan
          Medicare.
          After you make your list, then tell us which program you reject and take no money from.

          • KG

            Oh BTW, food stamps help Farmers way more than poor people.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            So? Your Point?

          • WTS/JAY

            He has no point! He’s just a babbling fool who only wants to take you for a ride.

          • Vigilant

            Agricultural subsidies: another socialist program.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            So, Jbc, if a robber takes all that you have, then gives some of it back, you are wrong for accepting it?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            BTW, I would abolish all of those programs and then give the money back that was taken forcibly to fund those programs.

          • Vigilant

            No test necessary. You have continually done a better job by explaining your own socialist views than I ever could.

          • Don 2

            What is socialism? UNIONS

      • Dirty Daug

        You are completely nuts, just because he was swore in by Judge Roberts does not bypass the election fraud. And by the way how much was Roberts paid to OK Obamacare?

      • S.C.Murf

        FOOL, the evil is around you and you love it and wallow in it.

        up the hill
        airborne

      • Joseph Hammond

        God God….Dick Cheney as president….a horror story…the man who found 6 ways to avoid the Viet-nam War but lied about “Weapons of Mass Destruction” to justify sending your children into the quagmire known as Iraq….While he made sure Haliburton got those 2 billion dollars of contracts for the war machine…One of the great war crimminals of the USA……

  • ken payne

    Obama is a lair and a complete idiot he will pay for what he is doing all we have to do is vote republican in the house and congress to shut him down until we get him out of office and not let him have a dam thing he is not worth listening to on the tv or anywhere else if they aren’t going to impeach him the best way to hurt his agenda is vote republicans in and let them do there jobs and get rid of the older ones in the house and senate

  • KG

    Mr Meyers, I wont comment on your bodily dimensions, but I will call you what I feel is not an insult, but an obvious admission of the truth. You, sir, with all respect, are a doomtard. The President, as the executive officer of the Administrative arm of our government can only ask congress to fund a “secret army”. It is congresses power to fund such an entity, not the presidents. So, ask all of those Republicans on the National security committee what projects they have been secretly funding. Oh, that doesn’t implicate the President, because, after all, your true goal is to destroy the President.

    • Vigilant

      “The President, as the executive officer of the Administrative arm of our government ..”

      “Administrative (in capitals) arm of our government?” When did the three branches change to legislative, judicial and administrative? You must be reading communist Howard Zinn’s version of history.

      Be so kind as to explain how you can hurl an insult at someone “with all respect.”

      • KG

        umm….I suggest that you read the constitution. Oh, that’s right, you are one of those who want to get back to the original Constitution. I guess you still want to trade some “other persons”?

        If it’s the truth, is it still an insult?

        • Vigilant

          umm….I assure you I know the Constitution much better than you do, amateur.

          Yes, we’d all like to go back to slavery. It’s those kinds of totally disingenuous statements that make you nothing more than a cheap propagandist and shill.

      • Joseph Hammond

        You are correct as Article II says: “The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of
        America.” We have always called it the Executive Branch.

        Your slam against Howard Zinn though indicates that you have swallowed hook, line, and sinker the propaganda that was and is taught in the education (government) facilities of this Republic. How many times have you seen reference to the genocide committed by the USA against the Native Americans? You hear it all the time about “The Holocaust” and that is right. But what do we call the genocide committed by US citizens? Manifest Destiny….God gave us this land and we took it….Here in Colorado they claim the Massacre at Sand Creek was a battle led by a Rev. Chivington… The US Government handed out 17 Medals of Honor for the Massacre at Wounded Knee by the rebuilt 7th Cavalry in 1890…Both were against women and children basically…We committed genocide in the Phillipines in the early 1900’s; Viet-Nam at Mei-Lai; and who knows what happend in Abu Ghraib or what really happens at Guantanamo (such as torture)..We put the Nisei in concentration camps and stole their property on the west coast during WW2 (concentration camps are NOT extermination camps and were first used by the British in the Boer War where women and children were herded together and allowed to died of disease)…..Hitler admired what we did in “Mein Kampf”…..Yet this is not put in our propaganda about the USA. Neither is the fact that the original Constituion was a racist and a sexist document as Native Americans, African-Americans, women, and Spanish Americans did not have the right to vote…..Only white males….And many of the Founders only wanted men of property….

        Sure, Howard Zinn’s “A People’s History of the US” is not a flattering review of our development but it does give another perspective of the US free from the government propaganda that is force fed into the young minds….Idiocracy is our future if we do not reflect on our wrongs as well as our virtues….

        • Vigilant

          “Yet this is not put in our propaganda about the USA. Neither is the fact that the original Constitution was a racist and a sexist document as Native Americans, African-Americans, women, and Spanish Americans did not have the right to vote…..Only white males….And many of the Founders only wanted men of property….”

          Indeed, an eloquent expression of what’s wrong with the victimhood perspective of “history.” The line is always the same, and it’s shopworn: that it’s entirely OK to overlay the enlightened morality of 2013 onto a civilization that existed over 200 years ago.

          Oh so conveniently forgotten is that the Founders put Article V in the Constitution to accommodate enlightened changes and, guess what? Those changes came about!

          Leftists like yourself are the purist “true believers” who fault the Founders for not giving us a perfect government. Rather than celebrate a self-correcting Constitution that became the model for free societies everywhere in the world, you snipe at the morals of a dead civilization, as if those same values held sway today.

          The absolute worst facet of your shadowy personalities is that you actually believe that people of common sense and intelligence don’t know what your objective is, i.e., to denigrate and minimize American greatness. Nothing more, nothing less.

          As for Zinn, a known member of the communist party, I’ve read his “history” and found so many bigoted and one-sided “appraisals” of our national experience that it would take much more bandwidth than I have here to counter with objectivity.

          Americans can handle the warts and wrinkles on its leaders in history, and its not-so-perfect past. They do not appreciate hatchet jobs for the SOLE purpose of fomenting bitterness and cynicism. Those who do so offer no solutions and are merely destroyers, not builders.

          • JeffH

            Vigilant…Bravo, bravo!

          • Vigilant

            Thank you sir!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            I’ll second that motion! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “There are no atheists in fox holes.”
            Samurai

          • Joseph Hammond

            Assumptions, assumptions…oh those delicious assumptions! Because I stated facts concerning our past which has been changed to make sure the past is clean and “white”, you immediately assume that that I am a “leftist”. A liberal radical is what you want to allow to be spoken. But then you would be condemning the founding fathers who were also considered “radical liberals” by the ruling authority of the age, Imperial England under George III. It was they who were the law and that makes the founding fathers the law-breakers.It was English investment that created the colonies which is what the founding fathers and those who practiced terrorism (as displayed in the etching showing 2 “patriots” pouring hot tea into the mouth of a tarred and feathered Englishman) struck against.

            Article V that allowed the changes to come about….600,000 people had to die in order for slavery to be removed and to issue edicts that made the Federal government superior to State governments which seems to be in direct conflict with the 10th Ammendment.

            As for the genius of this article it has been brutally used to create tyranny. The 18th Ammendment was used to force social acceptance of a minority view that directly led to the power of organized crime and the creation of joy in breaking the law. It made the drug it was placed against cheaper and more readily available as well as corrupt the government and its enforcers. Brilliant. And, of course, the lesson was not learned as we face the same today with the DEA trying desperately to continue a failed policy that unbalances not only this country but that of Mexico as well.

            Now with the NSA and its ability to use a vast array of technologies to spy and create fear in order to have the people give up there liberty of the illusion of security the power of the 4th Ammendment is dying and this is being done without the use of Article V. But this was predicted by Benjamin Franklin who, between sexual trysts, stated:

            “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.”

            As a libertarian I find all this rather entertaining. Since the majority can’t wait to give away theirs and my own liberty in order to keep dry pants, and since there is little I can do but rail against the wind, all that can be done is to laugh and count the days until “Big Brother” (the face you should see is Dick Cheney) comes to us wrapped in the colorful joy of bad art from the television run by the upper classes…..

            Please, try to keep dry pants……

          • Vigilant

            “But then you would be condemning the founding fathers who were also considered ‘radical liberals’.”

            Not by any stretch of your fevered imagination is that true. They were most certainly liberal radicals in their day. Anyone with a smidgeon of knowledge recognizes that the liberals of 1776 are a far cry from the Howard Zinn liberals of today. They are polar opposites of classic liberals.

            Those Founders gave us something absolutely new in this world, the concept of individal sovereignty, something today’s liberals consider as inferior to collectivism. If you can’t see that, then you can’t see beyond your nose.

            Your statement, “Because I stated facts concerning our past which has been changed to make sure the past is clean and “white”…” is an absolute falsehood. No one has whitewashed the past. The “facts” as you state them are common knowledge to anyone who looks at history. And to reduce them to the buzz words of “sexism” and “racism” is to (1) overlay modern morality on a dead civilization (2) demonstrates a superficial understanding of complex subjects, and (3) abundantly furnishes evidence that your rant is agenda-driven.

            Then, “600,000 people had to die in order for slavery to be removed and to issue edicts that made the Federal government superior to State governments which seems to be in direct conflict with the 10th Ammendment [sic].”

            I’m not even going to address the neoconfederate slant on that statement beyond saying that the North did not fight to abolish slavery but to preserve the Union. The South seceded to perpetuate slavery in the new territories. That’s it in a nutshell.

            A word to those who have the intelligence to hear it: being a Libertarian does not automatically carry with it a condemnation of the Founders. What happened primarily in connection with the advance of progressivism, i.e., the great loss of individual sovereignty, began in the early years of the 20th century, not the 18th century.
            ,
            Followers of Howard Zinn are not libertarians, they are communists.

    • Jimmie R

      I will admit I don’t like Obama, but I have felt for some time now that the Legislature had to approve the funding of all of the prodjects the GOP rales about and calls the DEM’s the bad guys. I believe most members of both parties abuse the office they have been elected to.

      • KG

        I think you hit the proverbial nail on the head. You can usually tell when conservatives are lying – when their lips move.

        There are faults on both sides. The Democrats are no angels. However, being a lifetime Union member and seeing the economic raping of workers in America, to vote Republican would be the most evil act I can think of.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Unionism is synonymous with force. Yet KG has the gall to whine about the “economic raping of workers in America”.
          When is the last time a Company forced you to work for them, KG?
          It amazes me how Hypocrites like yourself can rationalize any kind of behavior as long as it benefits you.

        • rick0857

          You said it all in one short phrase, you told us everything we needed to know about you and your complete and total ignorance when you said “being a lifetime Union member” never was more ignorance shown nor has it ever been shown than in those 5 little words.

          I bet you just pick up your ballot (pre-marked of course) at your local union headquarters and walk to the polling station, pre-selected candidates in hand. Hell you don’t have to bother with issues and such things the union tells you how to vote doesn’t it slick? They even do your thinking for you. Tell me did the union tell you when to get married, how many kids to have, what kind of house to buy? Because I know they tell you how much it costs you to keep your job every week or month when you pay them for that job you have!

        • vicki

          You can not rape the willing.

        • WTS/JAY

          KG: However, being a lifetime Union member and seeing the economic raping of workers in America, to vote Republican would be the most evil act I can think of.

          Oh, don’t be so modest, KG. We know quite well the level of evil-thinking you’re capable of. Modesty, thy name is KG!

      • vicki

        You may have noticed that conservatives here point out that it is politicians that are lying. No reference to their party.

        • Jimmie R

          Did you read the article about how NSA may have (and more than likely did) gathered dirt on judges/politicians and blackmailed them to get them to support/vote the way the administration wanted?

          • vicki

            Didn’t read the article but it is quite believable based on what we now know for sure about their spying. Do you have a link?

          • Jimmie R

            No I don’t Vicki. It was in one of blobs I received today. I tried to find it but no luck, Sorry

          • vicki

            It will show up again.

    • S.C.Murf

      And you kgb have your head buried. TIME to make that popping sound.
      Don’t you get tired of being a Gov’t. shill or is the pay to good. Wake up

      up the hill
      airborne

    • vicki

      Ad hominem. How typical.

    • WTS/JAY

      KG: Oh, that doesn’t implicate the President, because, after all, your true goal is to destroy the President.

      Lol! No need on our part to even consider such a notion, my dear KG, as your Leper-massiah seems more then capable of performing that task, all by his little lonesome. However, the thought did cross our minds that we should assist and provide him with a little push. Just a little push, mind you.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Actually, the goal of all the patriots on this site is the restoration of this country. Only going by the Constitution, Christian founding, and the ways of our Christian founding fathers. I’ll bet that Karl Mark, Lenin, and Stalin would be proud of you. Here is a video about the graduate that recited the Lord’s Prayer at his graduation.
      http://www.conservativevideos.com/2013/06/megyn-kellys-heartwarming-interview-with-valedictorian-who-recited-lords-prayer/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “Every member of the State ought diligently to read and to study the constitution of his country. By knowing their rights, they will sooner perceive when they are violated and be the better pressed to defend and assert them.”
      John Jay
      Founding father
      Devout Christian

  • Al Chemist

    “…Hitler was democratically elected…” as was Obama. Well, I have my doubts that Obama was democratically elected. Hitler started a war that resulted in the deaths of 60 million people. Obama has yet to start his war, but when he does, it will be on the people of the US, and may result in the deaths of more than 60 million.

    • Dirty Daug

      Obama used fraud and every means possible to get elected. It’s Official that he was elected by fraud and yet nobody has done anything about this.

    • Jeff

      Do you write for Dennis Miller? That would definitely explain what happened to his career.

      • Al Chemist

        Nope. I just write to express my opinion, and I can because of the 1st Amendment. I also have the hope that I will irritate liberals/commies now and then. Did I?

        • Jeff

          You do not irritate me. To the contrary, I am endlessly amused by right wingers who see every disagreement as a threat to their 1st Amendment rights. You have the right to be as foolish as you like. Also, air is approximately 20% oxygen. It’s that basic.

          • Bob666

            Yo Jeff,
            I believe that you busted his bubble?

          • Jeff

            Doubtful. The right wing bubble is virtually impenetrable.

  • Vigilant

    “On “Real Time,” Bill Maher said he doesn’t mind that the NSA has these powers because he trusts Obama. He then added that he wouldn’t want to see such powers in the hands of a Republican President.”

    Ay, there’s the rub, and it eloquently demonstrates the absolute bankruptcy of the philosophies on both sides of the aisle. .

    What goes around comes around. Every time a Dem Or Repub administration grabs another shred of power unconstitutionally and gets away with it, it’s as sure as sh*t that the following opposition party administration will keep the power illegally gained, and build upon it.

    Those moves that Maher takes with “trust” will be turned against the Dems if and when the Repubs gain the WH in the future. The whole nation loses.

  • Vigilant

    “Who is a journalist is a question we need to ask ourselves,” Graham said. “Is any blogger out there saying anything — do they deserve 1st Amendment protection? These are the issues of our times.”

    Graham is as deficient in knowledge of the Constitution as he is in common sense. First and Fourth Amendment rights are not categorical. EVERY American citizen is afforded those rights, Mr. Graham.

  • Alondra

    Religion of HATE:
    14-year-old boy executed for blasphemy by Syria
    jihadists in front of his parents after saying ‘he wouldn’t even give the
    Prophet a free coffee’
    http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/more-islamic-outrage-islamic-group-shoot-dead-syrian-14-year-old-boy-in-front-of-his-parents-for/question-3740811/?link=ibaf&q=14+years+boy+killed+for+blasomy+in+syria

    The Kenyan Kriminal arming Syria jihadists

    • Alondra

      A US state department official told EUobserver in a written note on Friday (24 May) that: “… the US strongly supports the easing of the EU
      arms embargo as part of the international community’s collective efforts to demonstrate its full support for the Syrian opposition and to continue to pressure the regime.”
      http://euobserver.com/foreign/120241

      • S.C.Murf

        Alondra what ever happened to the UN small arms treaty that talks about limiting arms to (bad people). Our govt. talks out of both sides of their mouths, just depends with whom they are talking to. They are EVIL. We cannot compromise with evil and Graham is as evil and deceptive as they come. Keep up the good work girl and in our prayers we will continue to ask that you are given the strength needed.

        up the hill
        airborne

  • Alondra

    June 10
    U.S. officials say the Obama
    administration could decide this week on whether to arm Syrian opposition rebels
    http://www.onenewspage.com/n/Africa/74vw24nrj/White-House-to-Discuss-Arming-Syrian-Rebels.htm

  • steve

    not only is the DEVIL in the details. he’s controlling everything and has been since adam and eve. i’ll say it again, 1john 5;19 we know we originate with GOD but we lie within the power of the wicked one , that being SATAN. once you understand and believe this all will make sense of todays problems. he is called the great deceiver because most don’t believe in his existence. he knows he has a short time left and he wants to take as many people with him as possible.

    • Charlie

      Well,,, another short reader,,, 1John 5:19 ,,, DOES NOT say ,,, in context,,, that the Devil is controlling any thing ,,,except,,, what You let him control ,,, the Satanic forces lost that “”Jurisdiction”” at The Cross,,, so,,, with The Salvation of King Jesus Christ at Acts 2:38 ,The King gave Me The Power of “”Repentance”” AND The “Gift” of The Holy Spirit ,,, BUT,,, I dare not abuse that POWER,,, that’s why ,most of the time I Pray in The Name and Blood and “Will” of King Jesus Christ…. Meanwhile…
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

  • Alondra

    The second week the Turcos protest against O´homobama´s friend Erdogan (El Primer Ministro de Turquia)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22859959

  • Alondra

    US Military Censors Government Misbehavior
    The US Air Force has ordered any airmen who seek to use the Air Force Non-classified Internet Protocol Router Network (NIPRNET) that they are not to search and/or read any articles relating to the data mining scandal involving the NSA.
    http://lastresistance.com/2296/us-military-censors-government-misbehavior/

  • Alondra

    In an interview with GMA this morning, Boehner called NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden a traitor
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/boehner-slams-nsa-whistleblower-as-a-traitor/

    • Joseph Hammond

      Was he sober this time?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      What else would a Power-seeking Big-Government-loving Politician say?

    • dan

      takes one to know one…

    • momo

      That’s like the pot calling the kettle black.

  • DavidL

    Another academic and simplistic opinion from the cheap seats. That is where the blowhards (left or right) go to spew their sour grapes without knowing what they’re talking about or having to be responsible or accountable for their “considered opinions.” What system would you put in place, John, that balances our liberty and order? Be specific. How exactly does out current system work? What legal checks are in place (Obama) different from the past (Bush)? What additional measures would you put in place? What measures would you remove? How do you propose getting your plan by conservative Republicans in Congress?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      A typical useless comment from a Liberal Progressive.

      The Founders were well versed in the oppressive techniques used by those in positions of Power to feather their own nests at the expense of the rest of the people. They did their best to protect us from those abuses of Power, but alas the world is full of pie-in-the-sky Big Government apologists like DavidL, who are either benefiting from the Gang’s abuses or just plain naive.

      Those who would like to know what our country’s early years were really like should take the time to read this long but very interesting book by one of the great minds of our time — Murray Rothbard:

      http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/Conceived%20in%20Liberty_Vol_2.pdf

    • JeffH

      DavidL, let’s clear the air OK?

      Do you believe that the government should be trusted?

      If you believe for one second that the government balances our freedom and liberty for our benefit or even believes in the “Rule of Law – The Constitution” I have a lead on a nice, money making, “comfort station” on 1 acre in the heart of San Francisco for a very reasonable price that might interest you.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      I suggest not drinking any more kool aid, for it seems you are very tipsy now. Here is something about Hitlery’s State Department.
      http://www.humanevents.com/2013/06/11/more-on-the-state-department-scandal-cover-up/
      Like I said, Hitlery won’t make it to the White House. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “”Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the priviledge and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”
      John Jay
      October 12, 1816
      Founding father
      Devout Christian

  • John Cherish

    Graham is unconcerned because he said” I don’t talk to terrorists anyway” But that is not the point. The point is this takes the limits off of government, Infringes on our first amendment rights. Allows for the seizure of our personal records without a warrant and who is to say who they will classify as a terrorist. Today it is Islamic terrorists, tomorrow it will be Christians …but wait they are already classifying Christians as terrorists. It is too bad Graham of SC can’t see the implications of this and is not upholding his oath of office

    • Joseph Hammond

      Graham’s reply shows the arrogance that permeates him. Is there any better reason to not vote for this man? What does he bring to the table anyway? He claims to be a military expert and a Colonel in the Air Force Reserve. Yet, in 1998, according to the Congressional daily newspaper The Hill, Graham was describing himself on his website as an Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran. In reality, he never left South Carolina. Arrogance and a disrespect for the truth.

      Quotes from Mr. Graham:

      ‘If I thought censoring the mail was necessary, I would suggest it’
      “Free speech is a great idea, but we’re in a war. During World War II, we had limits on what you could say if it would inspire the enemy.”

      Regarding U.S. Citizens accused of supporting terrorism, senator Lindsey Graham has stated before the senate, “When they say, ‘I want my lawyer,’ you tell them: ‘Shut up. You don’t get a lawyer. You are an enemy combatant, and we are going to talk to you about why you joined Al Qaeda.’”

      Graham has never married and has no children. But he has no trouble sending your children into harm’s way….

      In 2014 he is up for re-election. Let’s do what is necessary to make him unemployed!

  • hungry4food

    When you only Police Radical Islam instead of Declaring war on it the need to sacrifice Liberty is the only way to TRY and Combat the threat , and this weakness we are now engulfed in is why the Fall of the Republic is Imminent !!!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Yes, those “Radical” Islamics should lay down and take the US meddling in their affairs with a grain of salt. How dare they fight back.

      • hungry4food

        ” Meddling in Their Affairs ” .. tell that to the Victims and their families of 911 , Boston , Fort Hood etc etc .

        Appeasement is not the answer , http://www.clarionproject.org/

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          So, you and I are responsible for Ted Bundy, or Gary Ridgway, or the Zodiac killer, because they were men and Americans?

          Some sobering reality:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

          I love how so many people pick a side and conveniently overlook the atrocities committed or caused by their own sides meddling.

          • hungry4food

            Then Prepare to succumb to Shariah DaveH

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The only thing I fear is that entity which has been demonstrated throughout history to be a deadly threat to its citizens (or subjects) — Big Government.

          • hungry4food

            What if that Big Government has been taken over by Radical Jihadists that make up the leadership of the enemies of our nations ???

          • Karolyn

            So, your answer is to wipe all Muslims off the face of the earth?

          • hungry4food

            Karolyn the problem has and still is that our Policy to NOT Identify the Problem BY NAME for FEAR of Offending the Base support is why we have SECRET SPY ON EVERYONE POLICIES and that is not going to work because then this Abuse of Power in so many ways can rise up inside the network and this GREED for Control for a variety of Ideologies that Perverts the system that Our Democracy as a Republic is built around will COLLAPSE .

            And the Biggest Threat today is a Radical Jihad driven Ideology that can only be tamed by first calling it what it is and Identifying the Players from Within EVEN if they have Invaded the Enforcement Mechanism of Our Government through a Appeasing Administration that has even Invited the Radical Arm of Islam into the confinements of our Policy Making Agencies for crying out loud , this is starting to look more and More Like the 10 toes of the BEAST !!!!

          • WTS/JAY

            Bob: Sobering facts indeed. Saddam Hussein was a thug, but he kept Iran on it’s toes. While he treated his citizen poorly, one has to believe more Iraqi citizens would be alive today along with 5K plus Americans if we had stayed out of Iraq.

            Wow! Your description of Saddam Hussein could just as well be applied to Obama Hussein and his administration. Uncanny similarities!

          • Bob666

            And your point Jay?

          • WTS/JAY

            Freemasons, Chase Manhattan & the Arming of Saddam Hussein…

            http://intellihub.com/2013/03/23/freemasons-chase-manhattan-the-arming-of-saddam-hussein/

          • Bob666

            Nice Try Jay-not factual.
            “Propaganda Due (Italian pronunciation: [propaˈɡanda ˈduːe]), or P2, was a Masonic lodge operating under the jurisdiction of the Grand Orient of Italy from 1945 to 1976 (when its charter was withdrawn), and a pseudo-Masonic, “black”, or “covert” lodge operating illegally (in contravention of Article 18 of the Constitution of Italy banning secret associations) from 1976 to 1981. During the years that the lodge was headed by Licio Gelli, P2 was implicated in numerous Italian crimes and mysteries, including the collapse of the Vatican-affiliated Banco Ambrosiano, the murders of journalist Mino Pecorelli and banker Roberto Calvi, and corruption cases within the nationwide bribe scandal Tangentopoli. P2 came to light through the investigations into the collapse of Michele Sindona’s financial empire

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Well said and it puts a big hole in his arguement about Masons. He still hasn’t told me why the founders of the KKK, Southern Democrats all, were also in the ranks of the Masons and I don’t think he is going to. Here is an article that Bob Antichrist really needs to read and heed.
            http://www.politichicks.tv/column/stop-the-war-on-god-and-freedom/
            Here is an article with Bill Cosby.
            http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/bill_cosby_plague_called_apathy_tbvGiDoQUJe3g9eav1R5wK/2
            Here is a funny video about Obama bin Laden.
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-the-great-pretender/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            “We’ve staked our future on our ability to follow the Ten Commandments with all of our heart.”
            James Madison

          • Bob666

            Yo Gesia Boy

            “puts a big hole in his arguement about Masons. He still hasn’t told me why the founders of the KKK, Southern Democrats all, were also in the ranks of the Masons and I don’t think he is going to”

            I really don’t recall ever making a statement regarding the KKK and southern democrats or any hole that can exist. As best that I can tell regarding history in the South (having been here in the south for +/- nine generations), most any southerner with multiple generations in the south will be able to lay claim to an ancestor in the KKK. Reconstruction had it’s issues and from what I have read-it was no economic joy ride.

            Many generations in the south since the civil war were democrats and were referred to as Dixie-crates because they were very conservative. I can say that in very exhaustive research, there were two generations in my family documented to own slaves in South Carolina long before the civil war

            I am still waiting on proof that Freemasons were behind the creation of the KKK as I can’t find any. I believe that any hole that exist, is in that theory.

            Once again Geisha Boy (芸者), you make comments and accusations that you can’t back up. When you get called out on them, you nads shrivel up and you’re spine goes limp.

            Pretty Sad excuse for a Man or a Christian!

            George C. Marshall,
            5 star American General. Made a Mason “at sight” by the Grand Lodge of the District of Columbia.

          • WTS/JAY

            Karolyn: So, your answer is to wipe all Muslims off the face of the earth?

            You spoke like a true extremist, Karolyn. As you always do!

          • Karolyn

            Well, sure seems like hungryforfood is for killing Muslims, Jay.

          • WTS/JAY

            Nonsense! Either you are purposely lying, or you seriously lack in reading-comprehension-skills. Personally, i think it’s both, in equal measure.

          • Bob666

            Yo Original Dave,

            Sobering facts indeed. Saddam Hussein was a thug, but he kept Iran on it’s toes. While he treated his citizen poorly, one has to believe more Iraqi citizens would be alive today along with 5K plus Americans if we had stayed out of Iraq. Oh yes, we would be about a trillion less in debt.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Iraq, baaaaa! Debt, baaaaa! You talk about being a trillion dollars less in debt, but Obama bin Laden has almost doubled the national debt in 5 years time? I went to Desert Storm, Operation Iraqi Freedom, Operation Just Cause, and many other places, so who are you to talk about almost 5000 dead Americans? Bleeding hearts are always cowards and fools. You sound somewhat like Jane Fonda, except you didn’t have the nads to go to the Middle East. Here is a video about Obama and his outdoing Bush.
            http://www.conservativevideos.com/2013/06/stephen-colbert-turns-on-obama-hes-a-tyrannical-despot/
            Here is a video from Geert Wilders about how America shouldn’t make the same mistakes as Europe when it comes to the muslims.
            http://www.conservativevideos.com/2013/06/geert-wilders-on-islamic-terrorism-in-eu-us/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “A watchful eye must be kept on ourselves lest, while we are building ideal monuments of renown and bliss here, we neglect to have our names enrolled in the Annals of Heaven.”
            James Madison
            4th President of the U. S.
            “Father of the Constitution”
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • Bob666

            Yo Gesia Boy
            ” I went to Desert Storm, Operation Iraqi Freedom, Operation Just Cause, Bla-Bla-Bla-Bla-Bla-Bla-Bla-Bla-Bla-Bla-Bla-Bla-Bla-Bla-Bla-Bla and I supported don’t ask don’t tell, Bla-Bla-Bla-Bla-Bla-Bla-Bla-Bla.

            Yes, we have heard it before and is was very old some time ago. How very Christian, Civil and First Amendment of you.

            Tell Marcus & the space aliens we said Hi.

            http://www.bachmanncounseling.com/therapists/marcus-bachmann/

            http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-06-01/news/bs-ed-thomas-dole-20130601_1_entitlement-programs-republicans-democrats

            “If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him. An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest.” —
            Benjamin Franklin,
            American writer, humorist, ambassador, inventor and Freemason

        • JeffH

          hungry4food, you misconstrue the comment…The US has been meddling in the middle eastern and African countries business for over a hundred years.

          While I agree that Muslim/Islamic terrorism is an obvious threat to every non-Muslim nation and people…history tells us that is a fact…the meddling only incites the Jihad against the US…those examples you just posted support that fact, although the 9/11 attack is still being questioned as a false flag attack.

          FYI, who do you think has provided the bulk of the weapons that are used by the terrorists?
          Hint: USA

          • 5alive5

            JeffH,

            While I agree with you on most, I have to ask the question, Why did the US get involved in the Muslim affairs almost 150 years ago? Wasn’t it because legal shipping couldn’t navigate the waters anywhere near the Muslim nations without being attacked?

          • JeffH

            5alive5, I won’t argue that…simplified, do two wrongs make it right?

            I’m talking about our subversive actions(CIA). The US has been funding subversion throughout the world…picking and choosing who they like and don’t like or find usefull at that time, funding radical revolutionaries and revolutions…history also tells us that it always comes around to bite us in the arse,

            A few examples: 1953 Iranian coup d’état-Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi , Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saddam Hussein, Bin Laden, Egypt, Libya, Syria, the Muslim Brotherhood, Al-Queda, Hamas, Turkey and whatever I didn’t mention.

            It’s no wonder they hate us as much as they do.

          • jopa

            I must say that I do agree with your comment.Very well said.

          • hungry4food

            Hey JeffH The Bulk of the Weapons used in the Hot Spots in the Middle East are Russian .

            The Alliances trying to Form between Western and Eastern Nations with Asian and Middle Eastern Nations has always been the policy and it usually ends in genocide , its just that we do not want that to expand into a worldwide event no do we ????

            Check this out and notice the events back then are simulating today’s and this is whats meant by history repeating itself , http://europenews.dk/en/node/65705

          • JeffH

            The bulk of the weapons are Russian for a reason…denyability! Note, I understand the Russians role in the middle east, but it’s not exclusive.

            The chickens have come home to roost and it is “we the people” that have to pay the price of the subversive and illegal actions of our government, just as Great Britains have paid a price for thei governments meddling.

            I’m not under any illusion that if we cease and desist that all will be good…other terrorist groups along with the radical Muslim jihadi terrorists will see to that and in some form or another our country will continue fund this jihad under the guise of “democracy”.

          • jopa

            If Raygun were still in office the Taliban and the rest of the terrorists would have American made weaponry.Ask any Iranian or knowledgeable person.

          • JeffH

            Hmmm, jopa is an Iranian name isn’t it?

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Care to cite a source to back that up? I know the drug cartels in Mexico have many American made weapons thanks to Obama bin Laden, Eric Holder, and the Fast and the Furious. Ooops! We have dead Americans dealing with that. Here is an article describing what Pelosi thinks about infanticide.
            http://www.lifenews.com/2013/06/13/nancy-pelosi-calls-late-term-abortions-sacred-ground/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “The real wonder is that so many difficulties should have been surmounted. It is impossible for the man of pious reflection not to perceive in it a finger of that Almighty Hand which has been so frequently and signally extended to our relief.”
            James Madison
            4th President of the U. S.
            “Father of the Constitution”
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • Nadzieja Batki

            When did you join the It’s America’s Fault crowd, JeffH.

          • JeffH

            “It’s America’s Fault” crowd?
            Can you can be more specific?

        • WTS/JAY

          No, definitely not! Appeasement will only get you a sore azz. I agree with DaveH and JeffH, in part. We should clear out and stop meddling. But that won’t solve the issue of the Islamic take-over of Europe and North-America that is currently in process. To truly solve the problem, we need to vacate the middle-east, while at the same time, expel all muslims back to where they came from, and the devil may care…!

          is there an Islamic take-over of the West? You betcha!
          http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-europe.html

          #2 Shariah Islamic Law in America and Europe: What the West Needs To Know…
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7iHxl90CD0

          Islamic Law: Europe’s Shari’a Debate…
          http://www.euro-islam.info/key-issues/islamic-law/

          SHARIA IN AMERICA
          http://www.islamreview.com/articles/sharia.shtml

          The Real Impact of Sharia Law in America…
          http://blog.heritage.org/2010/09/02/the-real-impact-of-sharia-law-in-america/

          De Facto Shariah Law in America…
          http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/11/de_facto_shariah_law_in_americ.html

          Obama’s Legal State Department Adviser: Impose Sharia Law on America
          Read more: http://newsflavor.com/opinions/obamas-legal-state-department-adviser-impose-sharia-law-on-america/#ixzz2W2t7A5DU

          • hungry4food

            Is
            the NON Muslim Middle Class the DHIMMITUDE CLASS in the USA
            ???

            The
            Status of Non-Muslim Minorities Under Islamic Rule

            http://www.dhimmitude.org/

            When I Read these links you posted above it could be said that we are being
            Herded in this Direction under the Current Leadership that uses the Term Middle
            Class as a political ploy to create support for more Government Power that
            makes the Middle Class More DEPENDENT on a Government thats in the process of
            Fundamentally Transforming the rule of law to adopt Shariah Law into the US
            Court System .

      • TheOriginalDaveH
    • JeffH

      District of Corruption – watch the trailer @ http://www.judicialwatch.org/districtofcorruptionmovie//?utm_source=EmailDirect.com&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=DOC+Email+1+Campaign

      Judicial Watch’s Hard-Hitting Documentary District of Corruption National Television Premiere on June 17, 2013 on AXS TV

      • hungry4food

        Thanks , yeah Obamas mistake was when he tried to mange the 2012 election with LIES , he would have been better off just coming clean on all the manipulating of everything but a Narcissist is only beholden to one thing ………. and being a Puppet means thats all he has too lay claim to fame on .

    • TML

      The war on Islam is masqueraded as the infamously endless war on terror. It is a war supported mostly by other religious zealots such a Christian and Zionists (although it isn’t limited to other religious people… even Maher recently stated that the 4th Amendment was obsolete because he fears nuclear terrorist attacks by radical religious nut jobs).

      The claimed grand evil plan of Islam to kill us all and conquer all nations on the planet is fed to us as a reason for waging the wars, when in reality they are simply defending – radically – against 20th century oppression (colonialism, partitioning, interventions, propping up dictators, etc.)

      “Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people. . . . [There is also an] inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and . . . degeneracy of manners and of morals. . . . No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. . . .” – James Madison

      If you support a war on Islam, then you need not look anywhere but the mirror for the reason why liberties wane at home.

      • hungry4food

        Oh Please TML explain how the idea that Radical Islam is ONLY defending themselves by calling for the Heads of all NON Believers of Allah ?
        I suppose our Government Intrusion of Helping these nations develop their Resources and Improve their Quality of Life is why the Minority of radicals that have forever dominated the Majority that want a Better standard of Living are fighting like heck to resist this fundamental transformation ???
        But the Fundamentalists who see this Development of resources as a Threat to Earths Eco system are Now empowering the radicals to help them on their crusade to save earth from all who want to Improve Humanity is why looking in the Mirror for you is seeing this alliance you seem to have with the wrong side of how to Fix the problem then huh ??

        • TML

          Hungry4food says, “Oh Please TML explain how the idea that Radical Islam is ONLY defending themselves by calling for the Heads of all NON Believers of Allah ?

          First, understand that there is radical Islam, and then there is Islam. The radicals are the minority. However, religion has historically been used to rally people to the cause for political ideals. What’s the difference in the radicals calling for the heads of all non-believers in Allah, and you calling for WAR on a religion as a whole? There isn’t.

          When the Christian west establishes the state of Israel under the pretense of some religious right to the land, while then conducting an ethnic cleansing of all Muslims from their homes, never allowed to return, and constantly oppresses those people in the West Bank and Gaza (two of the largest concentration camps on the planet)… and the Christian west allows, and even aids, them in doing it, it’s not hard to understand why they would resist violently while turning to their religion, and having a deep seeded resentment for western culture.

          Hungry4food says, “ I suppose our Government Intrusion of Helping these nations develop their Resources and Improve their Quality of Life is why the Minority of radicals that have forever dominated the Majority that want a Better standard of Living are fighting like heck to resist this fundamental transformation ??? “

          So, when CIA and Britain overthrew a democratically elected Prime Minister in order to place the oppressive Shah back on the throne, for corporate oil interests… you believe that we were helping them? You have the historic arrogance and ignorance to assume we are helping the ‘poor savage’ have a better standard of living.

          Hungry4food says, “But the Fundamentalists who see this Development of resources as a Threat to Earths Eco system are Now empowering the radicals to help them on their crusade to save earth from all who want to Improve Humanity is why looking in the Mirror for you is seeing this alliance you seem to have with the wrong side of how to Fix the problem then huh ??”

          What??? Now the radicals are saving the earth from human improvement? Alliance with the wrong side? Ok, so because I dare say anything but support for war on Islam, I have now allied with the wrong side? Sounds like George Bush saying if you are not with us, you are with the terrorists” – which is the kind of absolutist statement that only tyrants make.

          You just went way out in left field with that… care to elaborate?

          • hungry4food

            TML I agree with your Libertarian principle . The struggle between those that are hiding behind the ideology of religion for a dominating goal other than leaving people to their freedom is whats got we the people trapped in the Middle . We should get back to being truthful about why we are seeing these struggles ….

            TML God Made a Democrat to challenge the lovers of his idea of FREEDOM because he wanted to make sure it never was taken for granted !!!!!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bx9jZ3ARVtk

          • TML

            And I give you…”The struggle between those that are hiding behind the ideology of religion for a dominating goal other than leaving people to their freedom is whats got we the people trapped in the Middle “
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?f

          • Nadzieja Batki

            You have a simple problem in that you hate anything that smacks of Christianity and Judaism so therefore all discord in the world is the fault of Christian and Jews. So if these two groups did not exist all would be love and kisses across the whole world. Except that no matter how you apologize for Islam it is still a religion of Predators, just not the kind you had seen till they overran the world.

          • WTS/JAY

            Good one, Nadzieja! You know, It wouldn’t surprise me in the least, if it were to be revealed that TML is a muslim. No, not at all! Of that he hates Christianity and Judaism with an all consuming passion, there can be no doubt, as he so eloquently expresses that obvious, in his writings. While at the same time, he defends and champions the cause of Islam, even Sharia-Law, to my shock and surprise. Of course, he will never admit that he’s a muslim, and will undoubtedly deny it, yet his written words will betray him, and pronounce him a liar!

          • TML

            You disappoint me… I thought you were more intelligent than that especially after your last debate in which you insisted that Catholics were not Christians. I am an atheist, sir. One that believes in the 2nd Amendment and the freedom of all… (if that’s not too cliche). If you think I’m a Muslim then I can’t think of any better evidence to your ignorance.

          • WTS/JAY

            TML: I am an atheist, sir.

            You’re an atheist you say? Yet you fancy yourself qualified to speak on matters of religion? How do you permit yourself such licence, where by your own admission, “I’m an atheist sir”, you are in essence saying; “I have no experience in such matters, nor do i believe in that rubbish, and therefore, i no not of what i speak, but i’ll give you my ignorant opinion just the same? How can you be so obtuse, so arrogant? You accuse me of suffering Intellectual-deficiency? Understandably, you are projecting!

          • TML

            Do you think I was always an atheist?
            *sigh*

          • WTS/JAY

            A more important question; what were you thinking?

          • TML

            I’m thinking you are avoiding the facts

          • WTS/JAY

            And I’m thinking you don’t know your facts.

          • TML

            Which facts? ;)

          • WTS/JAY

            Exactly!

          • TML

            Do you mean, this “fact”…. Jay says, “It wouldn’t surprise me in the least, if it were to be revealed that TML is a muslim.”

          • WTS/JAY

            Wasn’t stating it as fact. In fact, i stated that it wouldn’t surprise me, if that were a fact. And that’s a fact!

          • TML

            As I said, I thought you were more intelligent than that. Resorting to ad hominem rather than addressing my points is weak. Coming from someone who actually claims idiocy such as “Catholics are not Christian” I can see you don’t have your facts straight on several issues even within your own religion, much less Islam.

          • WTS/JAY

            TML: Resorting to ad hominem rather than addressing my points is weak.

            Is not your comment above exactly that, an ad hominem? Silly arrogant-fool…do you not think that brow-beating into submission those who do not imbibe your radical-views, to be a mark of a religious-zealot?

          • TML

            Well, yeah, but that’s after you dragged me into it calling me a Muslim, me correcting you, and then you attacking me again about the atheism, without the slightest attempt to engage the topic with civility. My views aren’t radical just because you dismiss them without a second thought. I’m not the only one… in fact, even some Jews are waking up to the reality. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etXAm-OylQQ

            I was actually disappointed because our last conversation about the Catholics not being Christian (which should have given you an indication of my objectiveness on such issues) I was impressed that it was so long without a single name being called. Oh well…. But yes, you’re a religious zealot, lol

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Maybe he isn’t a muslim, but an atheist. They would also have an axe to grind against Christians and Jews. I’m glad that TML supports the right to bear arms, but how can he support that right since it is a God-given right? Here are some articles dealing with his ilk. The first one deals with the ignorant atheist monument in Florida.
            http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/11193/why-i-support-the-new-atheist-monument/
            Here is one dealing with the Air Force.
            http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/11145/tribute-to-law-enforcement-offensive-to-air-force-officials/
            Here is one about history that atheists don’t want us to know about.
            http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/10650/some-religious-history-atheists-dont-want-you-to-read/
            Sorry TML, but atheism is just a lie and is against everything our Christian founding fathers wanted this country to be. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “I enter on the trust to which I have been called by the sufferages of my fellow citizens with my fervent prayers to the Almighty that He will be graciously pleased to continue to us that protection which He has already so conspicuously displayed in our favor.”
            James Madison
            March 04, 1817
            4th President of the U. S.
            “Father of the Constitution”
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • TML

            Nadzieja Batki says, “You have a simple problem in that you hate anything that smacks of Christianity and Judaism”

            I do not hate anything/everything about Christianity and Judaism. That’s a weak ploy. What have I lied about?

            Nadzieja Batki says, “Except that no matter how you apologize for Islam it is still a religion of Predators, just not the kind you had seen till they overran the world.”

            I do not apologize for Islam… anymore than I would apologize for Catholics or Jews or anyone else that is a victim of those who violate the principles one which this country was founded. You are not blameless in the eyes of your lord even according to your own theocracy.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            You are correct. They even have a motto, “First comes Saturday, then comes Sunday.” This means that since Jews have services on Saturday, they will be the first ones targeted. “Then comes Sunday” indicates that since Christians have services on Sunday, once the Jews have been taken care of, then they will come after the Christians. Here is an article showing that the muslim himself, Obama bin Laden, is targeting Christians in our own military.
            http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/11245/obama-confirms-christians-in-military-are-targets/
            Here is one that tells how Egypt is at war with America and Israel.
            http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/11250/hot-mic-catches-egyptian-leaders-speaking-truth-our-war-is-with-america-israel/
            Here is one telling how Obama bin Laden is snooping everywhere, except mosques.
            http://www.news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/061213-659753-all-intrusive-obama-terror-dragnet-excludes-mosques.htm#ixzz2W6Tu04uJ
            I guess that Obama bin Laden does not believe in checking out his muslim brothers. Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “Resolved, never to do anything which I would be affraid to do if it were the last hour of my life.”
            Jonathan Edwards

      • WTS/JAY

        TML: The war on Islam is masqueraded as the infamously endless war on terror. It is a war supported mostly by other religious zealots such a Christian and Zionists (although it isn’t limited to other religious people…

        Can you substantiate your claim, TML, or are we to just take your word for it?

  • guest

    this is the problem

    They seem to have never heard of a democratically elected leader who enslaved Europe and started a war that killed 60 million people while his government, police and justice system turned a blind eye to every excess.

    The Justice System has failed us in many ways

    Rosen, AP, Fast and Furious murdered patrol officer not to mention Fast & Furiious personnel, IRS, Benghazi, Seal Team 6 Extortion 17, National Labor Board appointments still not resolved – found no criminals????????? Snowden they cannot reach is the criminal – all he did is out something not commonly known

    what are we being distracted from, where should we be paying attention, too much slight of hand going on all the time

    • $8012302

      There was not one politician that was not afraid or concerned about J. Edgar Hoover, Director of the FBI and what information that he had collected. He was our NSA/Justice department of the past. Even Kennedy was concerned because he didn’t know what information Edgar had on him. By the way, they would not remove him for the same reason. Information is corrupting and powerful in the wrong hands. I’ll give you one guess as to who falls in that category today. Talk is cheap in this administration but truth is evasive. One administrations collected data could be used for protection of this country another’s be destructive. Again I’ll let the reader decide which is prevalent today. Choose your candidate carefully and vote wisely. A Hitler type of government is expanding its influence.

      • Charlie

        Hitler, pointed out the “Edomite jews”,,, do you know who they are??? Well ? you mean Adolph new some thing ,you don’t know today???

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    When the Gang gets completely out of control, and we try to defend ourselves, who will the terrorists be? Us, of course.

    • JeffH

      I think that was established when the DHS/Napolitano put out their report warning about “Right Wing Extremism” back in ’08 or ’09.

      Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling
      Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment
      7 April 2009
      http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

      Why is it not surprising that the government and both poiltical parties want all of us to believe the NSA spying is not abusive and good for the country and that the Americam people should trust them…since these scandals , Fast & Furious, Benghazi, IRS, AP, FDA, EPA & Fox/Rosen along with Obama’s continuous radical and anti-American appointments that clearly show that the government cannot be trusted. This is something that many of us have suspected and known for decades now.

      • 5alive5

        JeffH,

        Have you read the book I recommended “The Puzzle Palace”?
        definitely a must read. It’s from the 70s but tells a lot.

        • JeffH

          5alive5, no I haven’t but I will add it to my list,
          Thanks.

      • Jeff

        Well, you got the dates approx. right. That report was prepared by the W Administration, not by Obama’s people.

        • JeffH

          Actually I got the date “exactly” right, 7 April 2009, and the report was “Prepared by the Extremism and Radicalization Branch, Homeland Environment Threat Analysis Division. Coordinated with the FBI.”

          Hmmmm, Who was the POTUS in April 7,2009?
          Who appointed Napolitano as the United States Secretary of Homeland Security in 2009?
          Who was Napolitano working for in April 7,2009?
          Who’s administration did the DHS work under in April 7,2009?

          Oh, that’s right, the “lead from behind” Obama, who didn’t even know about that report until he heard about it in a FOX news report.

          As usual and even though Obama’s name wasn’t mentioned in regards to the Napolitano/DHS report, the ignorant progressive Jeff still feels compelled to defend Obama with his irrelevant comment.

          • Jeff

            The clear implication of your post was Napolitano put that report out for political purposes. That conclusion is undercut by the fact it was prepared under a conservative Republican administration. Maybe there’s something to the idea that right wingers with guns make a dangerous combination.

          • JeffH

            Unhinged Jeff, most certainly the report was put out for “political purposes”…to demonize good, patriotic American citizens for the anti-American & progressive usurpers running the show. DUH! What other motivation could have been behind it?

            You say “That conclusion is undercut by the fact it was prepared under a conservative Republican administration.”

            I say your a complete and total liar unhinged Jeff and to prove that I’ll refer you back to this response:

            “JeffH> Jeff•2 hours ago−”Actually I got the date “exactly” right, 7 April 2009, and the report was “Prepared by the Extremism and Radicalization Branch, Homeland Environment Threat Analysis Division. Coordinated with the FBI.”

            Hmmmm, Who was the POTUS in April 7,2009?
            Who appointed Napolitano as the United States Secretary of Homeland Security in 2009?
            Who was Napolitano working for in April 7,2009?
            Who’s administration did the DHS work under in April 7,2009?”

            To continue to spin the lie that the prior administration was Conservative Republican or that the Republicans are even representing conservatives is just what the propagandists of the Marxist/commie/progressive/communists want you “usefull idiots” to believe.

          • Jeff

            Speaking of unhinged, you get so animated when you’re playing defense. Did you actually play for the Raiders or were you just a wannabe?

            Your original post said 2008 or 2009. I mentioned you got the date right because the Report was prepared in 2008. It certainly wasn’t commissioned, written, and released between January 20 and April 7, 2009. But the comments I’ve seen on these blogs about dragging Obama from the White House, etc. certainly bear out the substance of the Report, regardless who authored it.

          • JeffH

            Obviously unhinged Jeff never opened any links to the DHS report…which was clearly dated “7 April 2009″.

            Defense, the Raiders? What happened to Hitler or Nazi?

            Losing your focus huh? Ya liar!

            Oh yes, I did mention in the opening sentance that I “thought” the report was created in’08 or ’09 but if you could read it was clearly stated in the following paragraphs what the actual date of the report was as well as a link to the report which confirmed that date.

            Now, unhinged Jeff, the question is whether you want to bury your nose any deeper up Obama’s backside by lying and defending the indefensible usurper and his anti-Amercan actions?

            Now go ahead and show the rest of the board just how ignorant the Obama brown noser, unhinged Jeff, can be.

          • Jeff

            I showed your last post to a psychiatrist. The nice men in white with butterfly nets will come to escort you soon.

          • WTS/JAY

            Jeff: I showed your last post to a psychiatrist.

            Was that during your session, Jeff? Btw, does obamacare cover the cost of your treatments?

          • JeffH

            Jay, Iol! My thoughts exactly!

            At least unhinged Jeff didn’t show it on his Blackberry to his OB/GYN on the golf course at “the Doral”…unless “the Doral” is a mental institution.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            D’oh! :-) :-) :-) Here is an article about the person behind the Patriot Act.
            http://www.americanvision.org/8279/patriot-act-author-suddenly-shocked-by-powers-he-created/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves Jeff out.
            “Whatever makes men good Christians, makes then good citizens.”
            Daniel Webster
            Statesman
            Devout Christian

          • JeffH

            samurai, did you know that the “CORE” of the Patriot Act was drafted by none other than Democrat Vice President Joe Biden in 1995 (Then Senator), which clearly was before the horrific TERRORIST attacks of 9.11.2001?

            CNN Transcript from September 20, 2001 whereby Joe Biden owns up to “authoring” the Patriot Act after the Oklahoma City bombing in the 1990’s

            On February 10, 1995, a counterterrorism bill drafted by the Clinton Administration was introduced in the Senate as S. 390 and in the House of Representatives as H.R. 896.

            In 2005, Obama Slammed the Patriot Act; “Fishing Expedition Through Phone Calls, Emails…Gives People No Rights”

            In 2006, Joe Biden railed against the Bush Administration for collecting phone records of “suspected terrorists” calling these actions “Very, Very Intrusive”.

            In 2006, Obama Condemned #NSA’s Wiretapping Americans & Collecting Their Phone Records “No President Is Above The Law”

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Sure do know this. I remind the libturds at school about this all the time. In fact, here is an article that shows the attitude of the average God-fearing patriot.
            http://www.joeforamerica.com/2013/06/we-the-people-are-pissed/
            Here is one from Rand Raul sort of hinting at another revolution.
            http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/06/rand-paul-we-fought-a-revolution-over-behaviors-like-the-nsas/
            Keep up the good fight fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “Especially should the Bible be placed in the hands of the young. It is the best schoolbook in the world. I would that all of our people were brought up under the influence of that Holy Book.”
            Zachary Taylor
            United States President

          • JeffH

            Dateline February 2013 – Dem Rep @MaxineWaters to @RolandsMartin: ‘Obama Has Secret Database With ‘Everything On Everyone’

            Roland Martin: The reality is like anything else, you’d better get what you can while Obama’s there because, look, come 2016, that’s it.

            Maxine Waters: ”The President has put in place an organization with the kind of database that no one has ever seen before in life. That’s going to be very, very powerful. That database will have information about everything on every individual on ways that it’s never been done before and whoever runs for President on the Democratic ticket has to deal with that. They’re going to go down with that database and the concerns of those people because they can’t get around it. And he’s [President Obama] been very smart. It’s very powerful what he’s leaving in place.”
            http://specfriggintacular.wordpress.com/2013/06/12/democrats-support-the-patriot-act-now-that-it-is-more-evasive-under-obama/

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Interesting. I’m even surprised that a lib like Maxine Waters would do that. I guess that it is true what they say about rats deserting a sinking ship. Here is a speech that Senator Ted Cruz about freedom being a miracle. Ooops! I have to be careful saying about things being miracles. The Atheist Looney Liberal Communist Union will accuse me of proselytizing.
            http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2013&month=05
            Keep up the good fight fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “To the triune God – the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost – be ascribed all honor and dominion forevermore – Amen.”
            Gunning Bedford
            Minister
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • Bob666

            Actually it is a golf course Jeffery,

            An OB/GYN is doctor and a mental institution is a place where you would feel at home.

          • JeffH

            DUH!

          • WTS/JAY

            Well, maybe not dragged from the White-house, but certainly escorted in handcuffs from the White-house. Wouldn’t you agree?

          • Jeff

            Led by whom? You? Or the town drunk?

          • WTS/JAY

            Well it certainly won’t be you, Jeff. You’ll be on the couch, babbling incoherently.

          • Jeff

            Just because you can’t comprehend anything more complex than “Muslim evil,” that does not mean other thoughts are “incoherent” anymore than my inability to understand what a physicist is saying makes him “incoherent.”

            As far as your moronic “idea” about arresting Obama, I’d love to see you do it. Clearly, it won’t be me to lead such an adventure because such a job calls for a Village Idiot like you or that guy you share the closet with, JeffH.

          • JeffH

            LMAO some more @ another of the known liar unhinged Jeff’s attempt to deflect from his own incoherent babbling.

            Unhinged Jeff’s does have one glaring inability…the inability to remove his nose from Obama’s buttocks.

            POLLY WANT A CRACKER? baaarrraaaccckkkkkkk!

          • Jeff

            You need to look up those fancy words you don’t know how to spell. Your ignorance is showing again. Maybe it’s the proximity to Fresno State? It was the home of Jerry Tarkanian before UNLV. I think his son was the only player he had who graduated.

            Oh, and “liar” doesn’t mean “Mommy, he disagreed with me. Waaahhh!”

          • JeffH

            You’re becoming even more unhinged brown nose Jeff…just can’t handle the truth can you?
            Keep trying unhinged and brown nosed Jeff…so anyone can see just how a common ignorant progressive responds to actual facts.
            Spelling? Getting that desperate huh?
            Mommy?
            Fresno State?
            Jerry Tarkanian before UNLV? DUH! Try after UNLV ya dope!
            Is all of that supposed to upset me? NOT!

            Just checked my BP…112/68…like water rolling off a ducks back…ROFLMAO @ the unhinged and ignorant one!

          • Jeff

            Sorry. He was a student there. I knew there was some CSUF connection prior to UNLV.
            Desperate? I think not. I don’t accuse people of lying because they happen to disagree with me. I try to be a bit more precise and use words properly. I know that will elicit a big hoot from you. Maybe you’ll even shoot off your big gun!

          • JeffH

            Paranoia mind destroya

          • JeffH

            “I try to be a bit more precise”?
            A student?
            Try the mens head basketball coach @ FSU.
            I only accuse people of lying that actually lie!

  • dan

    Lindsey seems to be unaware of the microphone in his office….and camera ….
    and recording of EVERYTHING that’s been said there….

    or the recordings of his family…..hmmmm

  • hungry4food
  • just_reality

    As the NSA monitors this website and all your posts, I am sure they are having a good laugh about what they are reading. That’s it, just keep chasing all your communist, Muslim, Obama boogeymen. Just keep up the republican and democrat artificial divisions because those are the things we have created to keep you schmucks from ever becoming organized and strong enough for us worry about. And our network “news” service is doing such a great job at keeping you all diverted and shortening your attention spans. You little people are so entertaining and you get those cute little faces when you get mad.

    • disqus_LtmvyHZ0Or

      Can’t hardly wait to see your cute little grimace as the noose is slipped around your pathetic little chicken neck.

      • just_reality

        Another clear example of how divide and conquer and dumbing down works. Look up the word satire.

  • Wiley2

    In 1928, Supreme Court justice Louis Brandeis argued that “the right to be let alone” is “the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men”. The vast majority of our enemies around the world would disappear if Brandeis’ words were put into practice.

  • rick0857

    So this is all for our own good and we’ve been saved countless times from terrorist activity right? Well PROVE IT give us one example just one. You didn’t stop Boston, you didn’t stop: Detroit, Ft. Hood, The Recruiters Office, Times Square, in fact obaMAO has been doing this since he took office and there have been more terror attempts on American soil under his watch in four and one half years than there were under Bush in 8. So NO YOU ARE JUST LOOKING FOR POLITICAL ENEMIES YOU SCUM SUCKING LIAR!

    Now who’s to say that obaMAO and his NSA nerds won’t decide someday in the near future to go IRS and grab some random e-mail edit it and then press charges on an innocent American citizen just because they gave money to a republican? Can the NI@#ER in chief guarantee that he won’t do that? Who’s to say that obaMAO won’t let another Boston type attack occur just so he can use this NSA apparatus to pin the crime on one of his political enemies?

    No one can say that won’t happen and no one can guarantee that obaMAO is the good guy here and that he has the best interests of America at heart. Nobody can say that because he’s proven time and time again that he hates this country and everything it stands for.

    So NSA and your boss the Coward in Chief obaMAO GFY get out of our e-mail and telephones and mind you’re own damn business for just once. I know it will be hard for you to do that being a democrat and all but you really could at least try. And always remember this obama:

    The only important difference between Nazi-ism, Fascism,
    Communism, Marxism, Socialism and Liberalism is the spelling, and
    the last group hasn’t developed brains large enough to figure that out.

  • BobinCA

    This whole program comes down to one thing, an assigned judge in a secrete court making the choice of safety for freedom. This one judge assigned by who knows who, making choices on arguments made by who knows who. I for one do not agree with this type of hype for the spying on all of us without cause. I can not think of any reason for all of us to be put under this type of surveillance of US citizens. I think we need to take a look at how all of this is being done. I think this court needs more than one judge. Maybe 3 judges should be part of this court. Maybe they should be voted in one every two years by the people. Some way to know that this court has the peoples freedoms at heart, not the governments. Protecting our country is important, but only as important as our freedoms. Our freedoms should be the measuring stick used for any other action in government. The people must remain overseeing the government they put in place and allow to operate. Not the other way around! I am not here so the government can sort me out by what I say, buy, worship, or write about in my opinion of what my government is or isn’t doing. Be it the President or a school janitor, I have the right to speak out as to what I think is right or wrong with my countries government. They have no business in my personnel banking, credit card usage, emails, phone calls or anything else without reasonable cause for search and seizure. As for people visiting here or even citizens with constant overseas, out of country communications, I can understand reasonable incite as to what is being exchanged. But in the case of the citizen these powers must be very well regulated and constantly monitored. Anything else in my eyes is an invasion of my rights and freedoms as an American citizen.

  • scott miller

    How about we do what necessary and start prosecuting people for not upholding their OATH of office.

    Treason when you work to subvert the constitution it is called treason.

    Treason is not providing the oversight your supposed to be providing.

    Treason is not reading the bills you are passing.

    Forget electing people not electing people the political system is so wholly corrupt with all the money and the mini hitlers that will sell their souls our your rights down the river for money or votes. And place like chicago and new york where their governments are nothing more than a puppet show.

    And you all put a chicago politician and lawyer in the white house, as lackluster as romeny would have been i have a hard time believing it would be any worse than putting someone like obama in for another 4 years.

  • 5alive5

    Known this for years. The NSA has been listening to phone conversations by computer for decades! Read “Puzzle Palace” and you will have your eyes opened!

    • JeffH

      The book gives a good look into the NSA…exposed details of a massive eavesdropping operation called Operation Shamrock. According to security expert Bruce Schneier the book was popular within the NSA itself, because “the agency’s secrecy prevents its employees from knowing much about their own history
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Puzzle_Palace

  • fullyalive

    I remember walking into a 60 min. segment (or was it 20/20?) a long time ago where some vice-president or minister (of Bhutan?), dressed in orange monk garbs, was answering the reporter asking what he was most afraid of. He said “I meditate/pray every day that I am not tempted to misuse my powers.” I thought that was so strange. I thought, at HIS level of spiritual consciousness, to worry about THAT? Strange! Hmmm! I wonder whether Obama and his minions pray every day about that too? On the idea of how “enemy-formation” happens, namely by projection of our own unconscious shadow-material, we get to know more about Lindsey’s subconscious mind from him, than about anything else. If I believed in past lives, I would now think he was alive in Nazi Germany and well-trained to submit …or else! Authorized program, Mr. Obama?? Our “elected” Senators and Representatives also voted for illegal wars, while my “hair” stood up along my spine! (Hysteria or prescience?) If I – again – believed in past lives, I would think they are acting out some strange enslavement scenario. Also, our FBI is known to kill people by mistake,. Oooops! Sorry! So, no wonder we get a little….cooky? So strange!

  • Jeff

    I don’t know that the issue is who is president. I agree with Bill Maher in that I trust Obama, but I don’t think a Republican President like McCain or Romney would necessarily abuse the power. The potential for abuse comes from entrenched power in the Government like when J. Edgar Hoover ran the FBI. He was so powerful the politicians, even presidents, were afraid of him. The bottom line is you have to cede some authority to the executive or else you can’t blame him when something goes wrong. Congress is too large and diffuse to effectively manage anything although it needs to have oversight authority. But Congress needs to exercise restraint and judgment. As long as a political hack like Darrell Issa is in charge of oversight, hearings will be about political payback and not about advancing the interests of the country. During WWII, Harry Truman made his reputation by going after war profiteers while in the Senate. He was of the same party as the President, but it didn’t matter. It wasn’t assumed that the bad acts of a contractor had to be blamed on the President. The modern Republicans would have called Truman a communist for questioning the right of a private company to “profiteer” in wartime.

    • WTS/JAY

      Your post blows big chunks!

      • Jeff

        Wow. You’ve graduated from burping and farting to throwing up. Soon you’ll be able to blow milk out your nose like the big boys. I guess anytime we see a post from you longer than 5 words, we know it was ghosted by Faque Samurai or one of your other closeted pals.

        • Frank Kahn

          Maybe, he should have said you are always blowing it out your back side. And what is the implied reference to closeted?

          • Jeff

            Most often, those most opposed to gay rights have deep-seated self-hatred. Think Ted Haggard and that Senator with the wide stance.

          • WTS/JAY

            Jeff: Most often, those most opposed to gay rights have deep-seated self-hatred.

            Is that what your psychiatrist told you? Very perceptive! So what are doing about your deep-seated self-hatred? Drugs? Is that a curable disease, btw?

          • Jeff

            You are so far beyond stupid I can’t imagine how you feed yourself. Try writing something that actually makes a point.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Care to do the same, Jeff? Gay parents are great parents? I see we are still being the good, little, libturd sheeple. Actually, they do not. Take it from someone who has raised 4 kids. If the parents cannot set a good moral and ethical standard, how can their kids be moral and ethical? It would be impossible. Here is just another example of how Obama bin Laden is violating people’s God-given 1st Amendment rights. Just like you and Bob are.
            http://www.radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/obama-strongly-objects-to-religious-liberty-amendment.html
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves Jeff and Bob Antichrist out.
            “First enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.”
            James Madison
            5th President of the U. S.
            “Father of the Constitution”
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • Jeff

            And I’m sure your kids use the idiotic language you do? How do you define “moral and ethical”? If your kids disagree with your overbearing opinions, are they immoral or unethical? And I’m sure yours are the only kids who never had sex until you said it was OK.

            Listen carefully. There will be a test. How is it even possible for Bob or me to violate anyone’s 1st Amendment rights? I find your stupidity and irrationality highly disturbing, but even you have the right to say any damn fool thing you want. Your idiocy is not an impediment to my exercise of my 1st amendment rights. See how it works, Sammy?

          • Bob666

            Now Jeff,

            You know in Samurai -Geisha (芸者) land, first amendment rights only belong to people just like him.

          • Jeff

            I’ll bet you didn’t even know you were violating Faque Samurai’s 1st Amendment rights by saying the Earth revolves about the Sun.

          • Bob666

            Now Jeff,

            You know that in You know in Fake Samurai -Geisha (芸者) land the earth can’t revolve around the Sun because the earth is flat.

          • Jeff

            Are you now restoring his 1st Amendment rights?

          • Bob666

            Well Jeff,
            The cost to have freedom of speech for everyone is having to witness his mindless rants and spin on history, even if we are both aware that he would be the fist to limit that freedom to those who disagree with him.

          • Jeff

            He’d limit the Bill of Rights to only “right thinking” Churches.

          • Jeff

            Stop making things up. Madison was never a devout Christian:

            Religion

            Although educated by Presbyterian clergymen, young Madison was an avid reader of English deist tracts.[14] Madison as an adult paid little attention to religious matters. Hutson says that historians searching through Madison’s voluminous writings discover that after he left college, “there is no trace, no clue as to his personal religious convictions.[15]However, some scholars say he leaned toward deism,[16][17] while others categorize him as such.

            He was an educated man, but he also inherited a tobacco plantation and hundreds of slaves. Shouldn’t such a devout Christian have freed them?

          • Jeff

            And he was the 4th President. But he WAS a founding father. Congratulations!

          • ctfrank

            What about all those good moral and ethical heterosexual parents who raised gay kids?

          • Bob666

            Or Better yet, those kids who are raised by Gay parents who turn out to be good moral, honest & functional heterosexual adults?

            Sammy is a narrow minded sort who does is fighting his urge to come out of the closet.

          • Frank Kahn

            Your problem is that you are a liberal, and thereby incapable of reason or thought. There is no issue of homosexual rights involved. They are not natural, period. They still have the same rights as anyone else. The don’t have any special GAY RIGHTS. There is no such thing.

          • Jeff

            Hey, I probably have some of the same reactions you do. I have gay friends, but I must admit I feel uneasy when they hold hands or kiss – the guys anyway. But the issue is not my comfort. Their relationship is not supposed to make me happy. I can see beyond my own cultural conditioning, so if they want to make a life together, I’m not willing to do anything to stand in their way. My wife teaches at a school where there are lots of gay parents and for the most part, they are excellent parents.

          • Jeff

            So it’s OK for you as an employer to fire any employee who is gay or whom you believe to be gay?

          • Frank Kahn

            In a right to work state, I can fire you because of the color of your hair, if I want to. Don’t have to give a reason. But that is besides the point. Nothing I said leads to your stupid post.

            If I dont like you, as your employer, I have the right to fire you. You as a queer, have the ability to cry about it being unfair and place the blame on prejudice but that is just your whinny liberal BS. I might claim that you farted, and the smell was too much to bear, so I fired you.

            If a queer does his/her job properly and refrains from pushing his abnormal lifestyle in my face, then there is no problem. If he/she starts wanting special treatment because he/she is a queer, he/she is fired.

            And stop with the abominable use of the word gay for queers. Gay means happy, not homosexual. The Christmas song that says “don we now our gay apparel” is not talking about becoming drag queens. It is talking about donning our happy clothes. Bright festive clothing, not some weird rainbow to show we are abnormal.

            Queer fits them because it means unusual, out of the ordinary, strange. Actually, queer would be appropriate for liberals too.

          • Jeff

            Frank, employment law has progressed a good bit since the 19th Century. Check it out. You can fire someone for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason at all, but not for a prohibited (public policy) reason. Examples are discrimination (race, age, gender), refusal to do something illegal, etc. The world has left you and your ilk behind, Frank. “Mad Men” portrays the world of white male privilege you still reside in, but it’s rapidly disappearing. And all your screaming about it won’t matter a bit.

          • Frank Kahn

            You seem to constantly miss the point in my posts. I said I dont have to give a reason to fire you. If I fire you because you are queer, that is my personal information. Prove it! My Ilk, is an ad hominem attack, typical of liberal inability to use facts to support their opinions. We have the right to self control. We have the right to not be forced to accept something that goes against our beliefs. That is a constitutional right. The world, or more correctly, the liberal agenda, changing to support degenerate behavior, does not mean we have to play by your rules. I can discriminate for whatever reason I want, if it is illegal, you have to prove it. I won’t let a liberal work for me, if they insist on spouting their ignorant ideas. I won’t let a Christian hating Muslim work for me, if they try to convince my workers that Islam is the only true religion. I don’t have to employ a Christian, if they preach some radical ideas at work. If the employee says or does something that makes the rest of my employees uncomfortable, they get fired. You see, it is not discrimination against a religion, or gender or age, it is against unacceptable behavior at work.

            If some liberal piece of crap government worker wants to complain about it, then fine, I close the business and fire everyone. Your liberal agenda is a job killer, so keep up the good work, you will destroy the economy with great zest.

            And, I would appreciate it if you stop your blatant racist remarks on this site. White has not a damn thing to do with what is right. Just like black has nothing to do with what is wrong. The white liberals are just as worthless as the black and Hispanic liberals. The only difference is that they get to feel good by pretending they are trying to right a wrong, that does not actually exist.

            If a black college refuses to admit my son, because he is white, that college is just as racist as a predominantly white college refusing to admit a black student. Telling white children that they should feel shame for being entitled more than blacks is racist. Calling someone racist because they are white is racist.

            Claiming that following Christian values is bigotry is bigotry. Claiming that we are bigoted against queers is bigoted. Claiming that abortion is good and some kind of right is bigoted. The implementation of abortions, in this country, is also racist, since the majority of abortions are performed on minority women.

          • Jeff

            Frank, I’m not missing the point at all. If a worker is disruptive, either because he is constantly in others’ faces about politics or religion, you would have a good reason to fire him. If, however, you merely suspect someone is gay (or know he is but he’s not hitting on his co-workers, for example), firing him may well be discrimination. Proving it is a matter of convincing the jury by a 51% margin (as opposed to the criminal standard, more like 95%). If the guy always did good work and your testimony is you just didn’t like him, if his attorney got hold of some of your posts, proving you have an anti-gay bias would not require the skills of Clarence Darrow.

          • Jeff

            I’m sure if your son wants to go to Morehouse and his grades and test scores are adequate, he’ll get in. I suspect they value diversity as much as Harvard or Yale. The difference is Morehouse and other similar institutions were establshed at a time (not so long ago) when Blacks could not get into most universities. That history cannot be overlooked with a simple equation that says White=Black and the two words are interchangeable. Our experience tells us that’s not true. A Black man “hating whites” because of centuries of oppression is very different from a Lester Maddox hating Blacks because it’s politically convenient. The White bigot may actually have the power to act on his bigotry.

            And I don’t think I’ve engaged in any ad hominem attacks on you although you certainly have. I’ve read your posts and I see how you think. I don’t even know that you’re “white” in the absence of ethnicity sense. It doesn’t really matter as the uniform is often more important than the skin color when it comes to choosing sides in debate. As we’ve seen, Black police officers can be just as prejudiced as any others in the Blue v. Black dynamic.

            You clearly have extremely conservative views. You would appear to be very comfortable in an era where White Males had extraordinary privilege. You don’t have to be a white male to hold such views, and many white males are uncomfortable with the idea. If I’m wrong about you, I’m sure you’ll tell me. But your labeling of all liberals as incapable of thought is beyond silly as most of our best thinkers are well to your left in most respects.

          • Frank Kahn

            You are a liberal, the fact that you are a liberal is contained in the lack of intellectual clarity in your thoughts. You often abuse, or distort, the meanings of certain words and phrases to bolster your argument. You place incorrect labels on people, and attempt to assert traits that you cannot prove, but only claim using the incorrect assertions of other liberals. We will parse, and analyze, the latest group of incorrect assertions.

            “I’m sure if your son wants to go to Morehouse and his grades and test scores are adequate, he’ll get in.
            I suspect they value diversity as much as Harvard or Yale.”

            First, you assume I have a son, not something I said.

            Second, you assume that my child would be accepted, based on grades and test scores, with equal consideration of black students.

            Third, you assume that Harvard and Yale are, voluntarily concerned about racial diversity.

            You are wrong on the first account, I don’t have a son.

            On the other two items, you are wrong because federal law (affirmative action) does not allow voluntary diversity. The points system, used to approve students, has a set number of points that are strictly associated with the racial or ethnic background of the applicants. The actual point value is much higher, but, if minorities are given even 1 point, due to their minority status, they are given unequal preferential treatment. There are many, racist, laws that give preferential treatment to minorities, and not 1 (one) law that gives preferential treatment to white kids in either education or employment.

            “The difference is Morehouse and other similar
            institutions were establshed at a time (not so long ago) when Blacks could not get into most universities.”

            The difference is no such thing, the difference is they are ALL BLACK COLLEGES. They were created, based on the idea that “blacks deserve to have their own college, with no white involvement or interference. They were established with the stated intention of not allowing whites into them. They were racist in their conception.

            “That history cannot be overlooked with a simple equation that says White=Black and the two words are interchangeable. Our experience tells us that’s not true.”

            Extreme liberal mantra exhibited here. Who says to overlook the history (many decades ago) of black oppression? Who says that whites are not equal to blacks? Who says that blacks DESERVE ETERNAL COMPENSATION for things that were done to their great great great grandparents? Answer: LIBERALS. The WORDS, black and white are not interchangeable, they are, by definition, exact opposites. The problem arises when liberals apply this concept to humans. Your (liberal) experience tells you that Black humans, and White humans are different. Your experience(?) tells you that blacks deserve better treatment because of their ancestors difficulties. Your solution is to foster racial division and hatred against whites.

            “A Black man “hating whites” because of centuries of oppression is very different from a Lester Maddox hating Blacks because it’s politically convenient.”

            An American “hating Brits” because of centuries of oppression is different than Brits hating Americans because they rebelled. So, by your logic, I must automatically hate all British people because they were oppressive for thousands of years? Actually, as an intelligent human being, I don’t hate any living British people, simply because of the nations history of oppression. It would “stupid to hate them for something they are not doing to me personally. I am sure you are predicting what follows. Lets change back to black and white people. “Blacks hate whites” because of something our ancestors did to their ancestors? Need I label that concept? As a liberal, can you see the stupidity and racism inherent in that position? Next item, whites hating black people. If a white man hates all black people, because of the inequities of the current legal system, they are stupid and racist. If they hate the inequities of the current legal system, that gives racial privileged to blacks, they are not racist.

            “The White bigot may actually have the power to act on his bigotry.”

            You changed the subject in mid stride here, we were talking about racism, not bigotry. They are two extremely different concepts. But, putting that aside, you have stepped into a big pile of dog poop with this statement. I once saw an ignorant racist black man make the claim that blacks can’t be racist because they don’t have the power (ability) to discriminate against whites. Your statement is no less wrong than his. Blacks can, and are, extremely racist against whites. They are very capable of discriminating against whites, and do so every day.

            “And I don’t think I’ve engaged in any ad hominem attacks on you although you certainly have.”

            If you feel that I have made a statement attacking you, or liberals in general, without sufficient facts to support them, please let me know the specifics.

            “I’ve read your posts and I see how you think.”

            No, you have read my posts, and know how I respond to liberal trash talk.

            “I don’t even know that you’re “white” in the absence of ethnicity sense. ”

            The color of the person talking has no bearing on the facts or ideas discussed between us.

            “It doesn’t really matter as the uniform is often more important than the skin color when it comes to choosing sides in debate.”

            I would question the classification of this as a debate, I have not seen you presenting facts in support of your assertions.

            “As we’ve seen, Black police officers can be just as prejudiced as any others in the Blue v. Black dynamic.”

            Here, you are right, the color of the person is not the determining factor in racial motivation.

            “You clearly have extremely conservative views.”

            Wrong, what I have is an extreme dislike of extreme liberal views. There is a major difference there.

            “You would appear to be very comfortable in an era where White Males had extraordinary privilege.”

            Once again you make an extremely racist assumption. The fact that I don’t agree with minorities having extraordinary privilege, does not mean I want whites to have it.

            “You don’t have to be a white male to hold such views, and many white males are uncomfortable with the idea.”

            Wrong again, what you are trying to say is that, many liberals feel the need to apologize, and get on their knees to worship minorities because of something their parents did 200 years ago. Your views, and solution, are absurd. To make a point, I will use an absurd example. If you raped my daughter, would you expect, and consider it correct, for me to rape yours?

            “If I’m wrong about you, I’m sure you’ll tell me.”

            I should not have to tell you that you are wrong, use your head, and see the problem with what you say.

            “But your labeling of all liberals as incapable of thought is beyond silly as most of our best thinkers are well to your
            left in most respects.”

            I said that liberals are incapable of rational intelligent thought. If you boil that down, then they are incapable of thought. You can’t call an unintelligent (without reason) thought to be a thought. Emotional reactions are not thought based, in that they are well reasoned.

            And, you just committed an extremely bad case of liberal lying. MOST of OUR BEST THINKERS, are liberal? Actually, MOST OF THE PEOPLE YOU AGREE WITH ARE LIBERALS. A lot of the bad science, that is being pushed as real, is from LIBERAL SCIENTISTS. If it conforms to your liberal agenda, then it is SCIENCE? New moral standards, that go against nature, are the result of good thinking? Blaming the plight of inner city kids on whites, instead of their culture, is good rational thinking? For the liberal administration to say “we don’t have a spending problem, we have a revenue problem” is rational?

            Being against radical liberalism is not radical conservatism. I can be a centrist and still be way right of liberals, without ever getting close to the extreme right.

          • Jeff

            Frank, while you’re clearly more articulate than most who agree with you on these blogs (Samurai, JeffH, and the other deranged cheap shot artists), I find your thinking a bit juvenile. You accuse people of lying way too easily, and if I were discussing something with you in person and you accused me of lying because I disagree with you, I’d simply walk away. For the record, I didn’t say most of our best thinkers are liberals; I said they are to your left. One thing is certain: first rate thinkers don’t go around calling their opponents liars. AM radio hosts do that.

            Your rape analogy is extraordinarily idiotic. Regardless when our ancestors arrived here, we all benefitted from not being Black. White privilege is basic regardless whether your ancestors actually owned slaves. Affirmative action was supposed to replace the 40 acres and a mule that never materialized.

            A good part of the split between Blacks and Jews has been over the issue of Affirmative Action as just a couple of generations ago, Jewish enrollment in major universities was explicitly limited. I still believe some degree of affirmative action is needed (more class than race-based). My wife used to teach at the border, and I’ve seen how some of the kids grow up – uneducated, overworked parents, no books, no paper, no desk. If a kid from that background gets a 1200 (now 1800) on the SAT, the same score W got, is he not entitled to some consideration for equaling the score of someone incomparably more privileged? Many private schools say “yes” while they used to believe in affirmative action only for the less-than-bright sons of privilege like W.

            Scientists are rarely liberal or conservative when it comes to their research although it’s hard to imagine too many are favorably disposed toward Republicans given that party’s open hostility to knowledge from any non-Biblical source. Scientists are interested in the truth while business people are interested in making money. So, who do you believe? Why, the Koch Brothers who don’t “believe” in doing anything about climate change because it might cost them some money. If we don’t get the money out of politics, we will, as a culture, commit suicide in the next couple of generations.

          • Frank Kahn

            Another cheap shot from you, juvenile? Find me a juvenile that has my level of comprehension and I might allow that ridiculous statement.

            If you didn’t lie, I would not accuse you of it. I don’t accuse you of lying just because you don’t agree with me, I do it because you are stating something that is untrue.

            Just for the record, you are wrong. See I am forced to use that word on you quite often too. My actual views are centrist not conservative. And, you did not say left of me, you said far left of me. To be far left of me would mean they are extreme leftist and therefor liberals. In any event, your statement that MOST of them are extreme leftists is untrue (lie). I might, marginally accept that half are there but not most.

            My rape analogy is not idiotic, and if we were in person I would slap the crap out of you for saying I am an idiot. It was a perfect example of the idiotic crap that liberals try to hand us about blacks. Our far distant relatives had black slaves so the blacks can crap on us with impunity.

            Regardless of when they arrived here, the Muslims benefit from being Muslims. What is your insane point? I received no benefit for being white. I dare you to suggest some moronic idea that would support your lame claim. White privilege is another made up liberal term. It has no true basis, and is made up to help apologize to blacks for something we are not responsible for. There is no white privilege in schools anywhere that I have been. Maybe somewhere in big cities, or in the southeast but not here.

            I don’t care what affirmative action was SUPPOSED to be about. That is not what it is. If all the poor abused black babies want their 40 acres and a mule, fine, lets give them the price of 40 acres, and deliver a mule to their apartment. Then, we have paid our debt to all of them, so we can eliminate them from the welfare roles. Black welfare families have far exceeded the value of 40 acres and a mule. In fact, just one year of welfare is a major overpayment. What you liberals fail to understand it the difference in the 40 acres and a mule concept and welfare. The 40 acres and a mule was aimed at making them self sufficient, welfare makes them slaves. Affirmative action, produces a situation to promote lazy slaves, not productive citizens that have a drive to achieve.

            NO, a minority student that achieves a 1800 SAT score should not get anymore credit than anyone else. A rich student should not get any preferential treatment either.

            Scientists are all somewhere on the ideological spectrum. Half might lean towards liberal and half towards conservative, but they all have a position. Every single scientist that supports AGW is a liberal. Their published opinion pieces indicate that they are biased and not reporting true science. Your liberal lies (see I get to use that word again) about republicans being against science is pure BS. It is some strange anti-Christian claim that attempts to say believing in Christ makes you against science. Actually, the Bible and science agree on almost everything stated in the Bible. And, many, if not most scientists are Christians. Actually, many scientists work off of government grant money and there is the possibility to need to conform with government ideas to get funded. Who are the Koch Brothers, and why would it make any difference what they say? It should be the facts that are considered, not someones opinion. There is no reason to accept the liberal idea that greenhouse gasses is the cause of some catastrophic global climate change. The true scientific facts show that it is minimal and greenhouse gasses are an extremely small contributor. Not sure if your next comment is still on climate change. I agree, if we don’t get the money out of liberal politics, they will destroy us as a civilized nation.

          • Jeff

            Nice knowin’ ya, Frank. You’re a bit too angry and crazy for me. All you do is insult people by calling them idiots and liars and you get upset because I find your analogy ridiculous. Have a nice life if you’re capable.

          • Frank Kahn

            There is nothing crazy about defending what is right.

            Actually, you might find that I don’t call people idiots and liars unless they lie and have low level intellectual skills.

            I sometimes go overboard with the lies statement, because I believe you are responsible for the accuracy of your statements.

            You lied (incorrectly identified the wording that I was upset about) again in this post. I got upset because you said it was IDIOTIC not RIDICULOUS. I got upset because you called me an IDIOT for using a valid rape analogy.

          • Jeff

            I’m sure you’re an absolute joy to work with or for, Frank. I used to work for a guy who loved listening to Michael Savage. Of course, he was gone a lot (drunk). Too bad, too, because he was quite good at what he did. I rarely discussed politics with him, but he knew I was his polar opposite politically. He made comments about firing anyone who voted for Obama but don’t think he’d actually do it. After all, we live in California, hardly a swing state. But if you make statements that are racist, anti-gay, etc., then you fire someone from one of those groups, an attorney needn’t be Clarence Darrow to “prove’ discrimination by a preponderance of the evidence.

          • Frank Kahn

            A preponderance of the evidence is only used in small claims court, it is not valid in criminal or full equity court trials.

            Nor, is my statements about the abomination inherent in homosexuality, proof that the person was fired because they were homosexuals. I have never made racist statements so that is not an issue. I can however fire a minority in the same manner as anyone else, their minority status has no bearing on my decision.

          • Jeff

            Frank, preponderance of the evidence is the standard of proof in all civil cases. There are certain limited exceptions in some states where the standard for proving fraud might be “clear and convincing” which is more like 75%. But the preponderance standard is the law in civil courts everywhere.
            I’ve seen how you never make negative statements based on race, orientation, or political beliefs. Now, there needs to be a credible allegation for someone to have a case, but in your case, there’s plenty to show you have strong biases. Connecting the bias to the action is what the trial would be about.

          • Frank Kahn

            Actually, Jeff, I have been involved in a couple CIVIL CASES, in actual court, and it was facts and evidence, not a preponderance of said statements that was the determining factor. It is not the judges discretion to decide who he believes more, when facts are presented. It is the facts themselves, not the credibility of the person testifying (which is the basis for preponderance). You do, however, waive some of these considerations when you opt for small claims court.

            Credibility is determined by fact not by judgement of character. My statements are based on fact and logic, when talking about queers. My right to fire, disruptive employees, is not subject to all you liberal crybabies whining. If I worked for you, and I annoyed your other employees, by stating my conservative ideas, you have the right to fire me for it. I am man enough to accept your decision, and not go crying to the government that you don’t play fair. If that job was that important (not going to happen if you have principles), then I would not espouse my views in a hostile environment. If, (pick your group), feel that they need to disrupt the working atmosphere with their personal views, they need to accept the consequences of their actions.

          • Jeff

            I’ve never seen such a mishmash of nonsense. It shows you don’t know what you’re talking about. You can say 2+2=5 very authoritatively, but you’ll still be wrong. The plaintiff in a civil case always has the burden of proof. The proof consists of documents, witness testimony, and the credibility of the witnesses (including the parties to the case). The standard of proof is for the trier of fact, whether judge or jury. In a criminal case, it’s beyond a reasonable doubt (95-99% certainty). In a civil case, it’s a preponderance of the evidence (51%). You can blather on and redefine terms and some of your acolytes will believe you, but what I’m telling you is as basic in law as 2+2=4 is in math.
            You won’t be sued for making homophobic comments, but if you fire an otherwise exemplary employee who is gay and he sues saying he was terminated because you found out he’s gay, your anti-gay comments could be decisive. I’m not saying they will be but they could be. And of course it depends on the state. Maybe in Mississippi you’d get a medal.

          • Frank Kahn

            Yes, credibility of a witness is always judged, but the credibility of a lying witness does not supersede the presentation of fact. In one of mine, the plaintiff attempted to claim something. Their level of credibility exceeded mine. However, they were unable to produce reasonable documentation to support the claim so their testimony was not accepted as fact. That is where your preponderance is blown clean out of the water, the preponderance of credibility lost out to facts.

            You claim you never use ad hominem attacks? You called me homophobic, that is classical ad hominem, as well as being a stupid asinine liberal label. I have no fear of queers, I simply state the FACT that they are unnatural. And that is a fact that does not rise to the level of discrimination. Your liberal crap heads can kiss my un-wiped recently used anal orifice if they think they can tell me I can’t fire someone just because they are abnormal. The queer has no special right just because he can’t be like nature intended. If he / she disrupts my business they leave, peaceably or by force, their choice. Queers are no more special than other minorities (which they are the smallest of), they act appropriately in my business or they dont work. Do you get it? If they disrupt my business they are worthless baggage. I treat them the same on the job as in private life. If a queer wants to visit my home they abide by my rules. They start talking about their perverted sex life and they will be escorted to the door. I will do the same for normal, heterosexual people, I don’t want to hear about their sexual preferences either.

          • Bob666

            Yo Frank!

            I was rooting for you until I saw the following:

            “If I fire you because you are queer, that is my personal information”

            And you busted my chops for “pissing on consertives”.

            Sad indeed-I guess that Jeff wins this one.

          • Frank Kahn

            Maybe my choice of wording missed the point.

            If I fire someone, the reason for my firing them is private. If I did it because they are queer is none of your business. Might have been a better way of stating it.

            I hope you will take this in context with the rest of my posts. I am trying to explain that it is not the fact that they are queer that is the cause of firing. It is a matter of whether they speak and / or act in a manner that is disruptive of the business. If all the rest of my employees are straight, and they feel uncomfortable when the queer starts talking about their sexual preferences, then they are disruptive and either stop or get fired. Some liberals will say I fired them just because they were queer. Essentially that might be true, if they weren’t queer, their speaking would not have disrupted the business, but it was the disruption that is intolerable. They have the right to work, the right to decide their sexual preferences, the right to be free from persecution but they don’t have the right to push their personal agenda on others at work.

          • Frank Kahn

            To which label are you referring? You don’t like me calling them liberals, Marxists? You have a problem with the word queer? Maybe it is ignorant, liar or stupid.

            You are wrong, my belief system is not the problem. I might be hampered in labeling people, because there are no acceptable (to you) words available to classify them.

            I really don’t care if you would want to know me, you are insignificant in my life. I have no need to know you either. But, I will vent my wrath on you when you make a, less than informed or intelligent accusation (lie) about me.

            I am not a horrible person, just because you have some opinion, that is against nature, or you get upset at certain words, is not my fault. Your emotional response to my posts does not give you the ability to pass judgement on my opinions.

            Now to your specific ignorant, and possibly stupid, lie.

            “You make absurd statements”

            Absurd in what sense? What statement was absurd, and what made it so?

            “without any true basis for doing so”

            Okay, I am working without a net here, without knowing the answers to the first part of the sentence, I can’t possibly defend this part. I will use generalities for a start. There is always a “basis” for my statements, if you disagree with them we need to discuss your reason. The truth, of my basis, might be subjective (depending on opinions), but I would not make the statement if I thought it was based on a lie.

            I am really hoping you are talking about the queer issue, because I have tons of truth to back up the basis of my statements there.

          • KG

            This guy is the reason we need labor unions.
            Pathetic.

          • Frank Kahn

            Actually, KG, I forgot to mention that I would also close the business if they tried to unionize.

          • KG

            Well, if you were to do that, then you would be in direct violation of the Wagner Act. You cannot simply close shop if 50% plus one of your workers decided to be collectively represented. You, sir, would go to jail for that.

            But, of course, crushing peoples liberties is OK as long as you profit from it.

            Pathetic. No – evil.

          • Frank Kahn

            Don’t give a rats backside about some ignorant liberal craphole rule. If I want to close my business the government can kiss my hole. And many of the liberal asses would die when they came for me.

            There is no liberty that says the government can force me to run my business as I see fit. Unions ruin all business so it is best to shut down before they suck the till dry.

            You sir, are a waste of resources.

          • KG

            So, you are not a ‘good christian bidnessman’, more of an Ayn Rand Atheist. I guess you will join the ‘strike’ of the rich and powerful after Galt finished his speech? You know, gated communities will be the most dangerous places if the proletarians decide to do away with the social construct you and your class have forced upon humanity.

            “The histroy of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles………..what the bourgeoisie produces, above all, is it’s own gravediggers…….Its fall and the victory of the proletariat are equally inevitable”-Karl Marx

            Arise workers of the world, all you have to lose is your chains!

          • Frank Kahn

            Actually I am a good Christian, it is Marxists like you who are damned by going against God.

            You choose piss poor words, and have no idea what you are saying.

            Bourgeois is a reference to the extremely wealthy,

            I am speaking on behalf of the small entrepreneur.

            Your grandstanding like you are some god of righteousness is a form of pride and one of the deadly sins.

            Unions are neither mentioned nor hinted at in the Bible, but union leaders are referenced.

            Taking from the producers is bad, those who do not produce shall not eat.

            You probably don’t even know the philosophy of Ayn Rand, to place my comments as siding with him is ludicrous.

            My class is the common man, you on the other hand have none.

            It is the damned Marxist / Communists (read liberal progressives) who are attempting to force crap on the world.

            You will not succeed and will die in the attempt.

            Karl Marx was an ignorant putz and anyone who adores his teachings is a tyrannical communist. Fits you perfectly.

            The workers of the world shall always prevail, they don’t need your crappy thieving unions to steal the fruits of their labors.

            It is pathetic morons like you that are the problem with this country, you have no intelligence and you think you should be allowed to decide everything we do. Go have aeronautical intercourse with a rolling pastry.

            And learn some manners, you are a normal human at best, not someone that has the vision of greatness for the world.

          • KG

            Quote: Bourgeois is a reference to the extremely wealthy,
            I am speaking on behalf of the small entrepreneur.

            Ok, then, you are petit bourgeois – one day you MAY be rich, so you have to be a toady of the real rich.

            The poor are shunned even by their neighbors, but the rich have many friends.
            — Proverbs 14:20

            The rich rule over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.
            — Proverbs 22:7

            Wealth brings many friends, but a poor man’s friends desert him.
            — Proverbs 19:4

            Quote: Your grandstanding like you are some god of righteousness is a form of pride and one of the deadly sins.

            No, I am merely trying to illuminate the terrain we find ourselves deployed in.

            Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
            – Matthew 5:10

            Quote: Unions are neither mentioned nor hinted at in the Bible, but union leaders are referenced.

            False.

            Psalm 106:47
            Save us, O Lord our God, and gather us from among the heathen, to give thanks unto thy holy name, and to triumph in thy praise.

            Matthew 18:20
            For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

            Quote: Taking from the producers is bad, those who do not produce shall not eat.

            If anyone would take your coat, let him have your shirt as well. Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you.
            — Matthew 5:40-42

            Let no one seek his own good, but the good of his neighbor.
            — 1 Corinthians 10:24

            Quote: You probably don’t even know the philosophy of Ayn Rand, to place my comments as siding with him is ludicrous.

            http://chronicle.com/blogs/conversation/2012/08/19/the-ridiculous-rise-of-ayn-rand/

            I hope these corrections to your error will be taken in the grace it was given.

            Solidarity forever!

          • Frank Kahn

            I had to do a little research to figure out where you got your ignorant idea on the first part.


            KG

            Quote: Bourgeois is a reference to the extremely wealthy,
            I am speaking on behalf of the small entrepreneur.

            Ok, then, you are petit bourgeois – one day you MAY be rich, so you have to be a toady of the real rich.”

            The term “petite bourgeois” is only applicable in your tiny mind. You see evil selfish behavior in everyone that does not fall in step with your insane tyrannical world view. The fact that, the workers must perform tasks assigned to them by the employer is a normal and necessary function of all business. That they be compensated commensurate with their contribution to the effort is also normal. That the owner is the boss (ruler) of the business is necessary for proper function of all parts of the business. Delegation of authority, for the purpose of distributing the load of leadership, is good for better and faster communication, and response to a changing work environment. I may already be rich, you don’t have a clue. Whether I am rich, or may one day be rich, does not make me a toady for anyone. What is right is right, and you are definitely wrong.

            “The poor are shunned even by their neighbors, but the rich have many friends.
            — Proverbs 14:20″

            Taken out of context, and even so it does not support your contentions about the role of leadership (owning) in a business. It is also a tongue in cheek statement, because anyone that has any intelligence does not equate money worship to friendship.

            “The rich rule over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.
            — Proverbs 22:7″

            No idea what idiotic premise you are trying to forward here. In context, this is a warning about allowing money to be worshiped and given status as a god. It also warns us that you should not borrow unless you are ready to be a servant (slave) to the person lending to you.

            “Wealth brings many friends, but a poor man’s friends desert him.
            — Proverbs 19:4″

            Again, this is attempting to equate money worship with friendship.

            “Quote: Your grandstanding like you are some god of righteousness is a form of pride and one of the deadly sins.

            No, I am merely trying to illuminate the terrain we find ourselves deployed in.

            Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
            – Matthew 5:10″

            Wrong, there is nothing righteous about your stance, it does not make you blessed.

            “Quote: Unions are neither mentioned nor hinted at in the Bible, but union leaders are referenced.

            False.

            Psalm 106:47
            Save us, O Lord our God, and gather us from among the heathen, to give thanks unto thy holy name, and to triumph in thy praise.

            Matthew 18:20
            For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.”

            These two Biblical passages have nothing to do with unions, so what is your point?

            “Quote: Taking from the producers is bad, those who do not produce shall not eat.

            If anyone would take your coat, let him have your shirt as well.

            Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you.
            — Matthew 5:40-42

            Let no one seek his own good, but the good of his neighbor.
            — 1 Corinthians 10:24″

            All these passages are a reference to personal contribution to the poor, it has nothing whatsoever to do with taking from the producers. What I give from having Gods love in my heart has nothing to do with the quote from me. When government takes (steals) from me to give to the poor, it is not charity, it is theft and redistribution. What the unions take from its members is not a charitable contribution, it is required (forced) payment.

            “Quote: You probably don’t even know the philosophy of Ayn Rand, to place my comments as siding with him is ludicrous.

            http://chronicle.com/blogs/con…”

            Since I am not familiar with the writings of Ayn Rand, I will have to assume that the author of that article is. Even though the article is written in a manner suggesting that the author is biased, his description of Rands philosophy is not even close to mine. The only item, in the article, that is even close is the assertion that Rand believes in the idea of capitalism.

            “I hope these corrections to your error will be taken in the grace it was given. ”

            You can only claim them as corrections, if they are correct. Since they are not correct, I cannot take them in any other way than as an attempt to twist facts to fit your incorrect idea of reality.

            “Solidarity forever!”

            A very telling statement. It shows that you are simply spouting the liberal progressive talking points in an effort to destroy my nation.

            Your push for “solidarity” in your tyrannical obsession will get you killed.

          • KG

            quote: Your push for “solidarity” in your tyrannical obsession will get you killed.

            Spoken like a true fascist. Pinochet would be proud.

            DING! DING! DING! YOU WIN THE KERNEL KLINK KLOSETED NAZI AWARD!!!
            Here’s your iron cross: +
            Wear it with dignity at all KKK functions.
            ;)

          • Frank Kahn

            Really, are you ignorant or do you think I am stupid enough to believe what you said?

            Fighting against tyranny is not fascism, actually it is the exact opposite. The current usage of the term liberal (following the progressive ideals) is actually fascism. Fascism believes that the government is the supreme authority and ruler of all society, conservatives believe that the power is vested in the people not the government. So fighting liberals is fighting fascism.

            If you (liberal) insist on trying to force your fascist agenda, there will be bloodshed, and liberals will die, to save the freedoms and liberty of the people.

          • KG

            Tell me, where is there tyranny in our country? I woke up this morning, made some coffee, walked outside to see the sun rise, fixed my old pick-up truck, smoked a big cigar, and had a hell of a day. I didn’t experience any ‘tyranny’ at all. I think you have a sad life if you feel ‘oppressed’.
            No. Fighting ‘liberals’ is fighting the ideals that make our country great. I think you have the horse in the cart. Ever read the Constitution? What’s the first three words? You see, it’s only through the consent of the governed that our government get’s it’s power. When Ronald Reagan said “…government isn’t the solution, government is the problem.” What he was really saying is “…People are the problem.”

            I think that’s your problem. You actually hate the freedoms we enjoy. You may have deferred your happiness till some time that’s in some future you want, when what you need to do is look around you and enjoy the freedoms and liberty we have now – before the real fascists take over.
            You see no problem in limiting MY freedom – you want to take away my right to collectively organize. But I don’t want to take your freedom to enjoy life.

          • Frank Kahn

            Tyranny is everywhere you look in this country. The fact that you are a low intellect liberal, who benefits from the tyranny does not eliminate it.

            I am not oppressed, because I choose to fight the sick liberal ideals of a sick society. You included.

            Liberal ideas have done nothing to make this country great, that is a blind ass-backwards view of liberal insanity.

            Name a modern liberal idea / policy that promotes greatness.

            The liberal spending of government to keep the population in servitude?

            The forcing of everyone to accept queers as normal?

            Making Blacks, and other minorities, the beneficiaries of unearned rewards?

            Killing millions of citizens in the name of womens reproductive rights?

            Forcing me to pay 10 times the actual value of products so that unions can get rich?

            Refusing to accept the requirement that people A. prove they are who they say they are (voter ID) and B. prove they are actual citizens of the nation before voting?

            Teaching our children that white kids should be ashamed that they are white?

            Children don’t belong to the family, they belong to the community?

            Business owners didn’t build their own businesses?

            It is okay for Obama to murder foreign nationals, without due process?

            Assuming that you read the constitution, do you have any intelligent ability to comprehend the meaning? Do you not see that it is the people, not the government that has all the rights? Are you really so stupid that you can’t comprehend that Reagan was saying it is the tyranny of the government that is the problem. It is the fact that the federal government is no longer acting as the will of the people. You are correct when you say the people are the problem. The liberals that push this government tyranny on us is the problem.

            Capitalism is the cause of all our economic problems?

            Arming Islamic terrorist, in order to topple foreign countries administrations?

            Unconstitutional spying (illegal searches) are acceptable if it keeps us safe?

            You have the right to organize, yes, but you don’t have the right to force others to accept your definition of what is right. It is when you (labor unions) exceed your authority, by infringing on others rights,
            that you lose your right to bargain. I have the right to carry a gun, but I don’t have the right to use it to force someone to do as I want.

            You are either delusional, or lying, when you say you don’t want to take away my freedom to enjoy life. As a die hard liberal you push many things that infringe on my idea of enjoyment. I enjoy knowing that all babies are afforded the ability to be born and succeed in life. I enjoy using semi-automatic weapons with high capacity magazines for hunting and target practice. I enjoy seeing strong traditional families thriving. I enjoy having a job, without being forced to pay protection money to racketeers. I enjoy seeing children learn real information in schools, not just some worthless liberal indoctrination crap. I enjoy knowing that my daughter can use a public restroom, without having some boy, who claims to be transgender, watching her there. I enjoy saying anything I want on the phone, in emails and on social media sites, without worrying that some liberal ass is spying and taking notes on my views. I enjoy the thought of living in my country, which is ran according to the constitution, not by some liberal idiots insane interpretation of what it should say. I enjoy the idea of our country being ran by a constitutionally limited government. I would enjoy a day when liberals, like you, finally discover that their idea of society is twisted and can never work. Because, liberals, appear to be incapable of this kind of rational thought, it is becoming obvious that the only way to stop their stupidity is through extermination. You will never see the truth in my statements because your brain is not wired right. You view the world through a set of standards that are twisted. I don’t ever expect you, or any other die hard liberal to ever accept the truth. It is sad that you have that condition, but we must all accept the fact that liberals are mentally handicapped. Maybe you can apply for disability compensation for it.

          • KG

            Mr Frank, I’ll be frank. Please read Matthew , chapter 5, and see the “kingdom of G-d” as Jesus saw it. That’s what the world wants.

            Best Wishes,
            KG

          • Frank Kahn

            I have read Matthew, I know what it says, I also remember you cherry picking parts of it, in an attempt to say that you are blessed.

            The following are two items that you, incorrectly used to support your assertion:

            “11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.

            12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.”

            As I stated before, these two passages are not speaking of you. In Matthew 5:11 it says “evil against you because of me”, this means they persecute you for being Christian, and spreading the word of God. Not, because they tell you that your personal, liberal ideas are bad. To receive the rewards in heaven as stated in Matthew 5:12 you need to follow the guidelines in Matthew 5:17-20.

            “17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

            18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

            19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

            20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.”

            In Matthew 5:19, he says, “anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven”. In this statement, he is saying that you cannot ignore even the smallest law of God, if you are wanting the rewards promised in Matthew 5:11-12. Now, this is a tall order, and I am not sure that I have never failed to adhere to EVERY law, but I am sure of one thing. If you support homosexuals, and tell others that they should also support homosexuals, you are not abiding by one of Gods laws. So, go ahead, use this set of scriptures to claim that you are doing God’s work. Show me that Jesus said you are going to be rewarded because you were persecuted for going against God’s laws.

            So many other items in Matthew 5 that you appear to be using incorrectly. In the next set of passages, you did some creative cherry picking to put forth a false idea.

            “38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h]

            39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.

            40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.

            41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles.

            42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.”

            You used part of Matthew 5:40 to support welfare. You said “if anyone wants to take your shirt, hand over your coat as well”. Well, you claimed you were quoting the Bible, but you left out some of the words, which changed the purpose of the passage. You left out “sue you and take”, this changes it from a demand to a request. Almost the same difference between borrowing and stealing. The two passages 40 and 41 are telling you to help the transgressor by changing their crime into an act of charity from you. To show them that they get more than they wanted, if you give it willingly. Matthew 5:42 is talking about true charity, something that comes from your heart in a personal act. These are qualities that help earn you those heavenly rewards. The government (forcefully) taking your possessions, and giving it to poor people is not charity. It was not given freely from the heart. Unions requiring (forcing) you to pay them for services you neither want nor need, is an example of the transgressor in Matthew 5:40-41. Again, the passages are indicating that your ideals are against the teachings of the Bible.

            I am both capable of, and willing to, explain every passage from Matthew. If you want to point out any of the passages, I will be happy to explain what they represent and how they are not speaking to you.

          • KG

            You got it way wrong from the beginning. I would hope that I never said I was ‘blessed’. That would imply that G-d chooses favorites, when John said:

            1 John 1
            King James Version (KJV)

            8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

            Romans 3
            King James Version (KJV)

            23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

            quote: These are qualities that help earn you those heavenly rewards.

            The ‘law’ is over for Christians. We are under Grace. If anyone could ‘earn’ their salvation, then, what if you get to heaven, and it’s discovered you are 50 cents short in your tithes. Then what? I could show you several more passages in the Bible that shows your “works based” salvation is Antichrist, but I would have to write a book here.
            Mr. Kahn, I wouldn’t want to encourage you wrath upon me. I would hope that all of this discussion is taken in the love we both have for Humanity as well as America.

          • Frank Kahn

            “You got it way wrong from the beginning. I would hope that I never said I was ‘blessed’. That would imply that G-d chooses favorites,”

            First, I will note that you tend to use the spelling G-d, instead of God. When, previously, questioning people for this spelling, I was informed it was a Jewish thing. I don’t know if that is true, or if it is your reason. However, if it is, then using the New Testament is confusing. If you follow the Jewish faith, everything in your posts is wrong.

            Also, the fact that you attempted to use Matthew 5:11, as proof that you, and another poster, were following, and covered in scripture, implies that you are blessed.

            “when John
            said:

            1 John 1
            King James Version (KJV)

            8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

            Romans 3
            King James Version (KJV)

            23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

            quote: These are qualities that help earn you those heavenly rewards.”

            “The ‘law’ is over for Christians. We are under Grace. If anyone could ‘earn’ their salvation, then, what if you get to heaven, and it’s discovered you are 50 cents short in your tithes. Then what? ”

            Did you miss the quote, from Matthew, that I gave in my last post? He (Jesus) said, and I am paraphrasing here, nothing in the law will ever change until the end of times. Even if, you accept Christ as your savior, you still need to follow Gods law to receive the rewards of Heaven. You also pick a poor example of requirements. Being 50 cents short on a tithe, keeping you from Heaven, is almost like saying you have to pay to get in. Living under the Grace of God, through the sacrifice of blood by Jesus, does not eliminate the need to follow Gods law as best you can. God will see the truth, in your heart, if you have him there.

            “I could show you several more passages in the Bible that shows your “works based” salvation is Antichrist, but I would have to write a book here.”

            It should have been anti-Christ, but no matter, there is a very large portion of humanity that will ascend into heaven, without accepting Jesus as Christ. I did not propose “works based” salvation. Not in the sense you seem to imply. Man is not capable of perfection, there is nothing he can do to change that. That is why God gave us a Christ (savior) to pay the sin debt. The only WORK that a Christian must do, to earn the rewards, is to strive to be as good of a God fearing / loving person as they can be.

            “Mr. Kahn, I wouldn’t want to encourage you wrath upon me. I would hope that all of this discussion is taken in the love we both have for Humanity
            as well as America.”

            My wrath (bad choice of words) is only earned if you insist on forcing me to accept your opinion of what is right.

            We have a disparity in our ideas on what is good for humanity.

            Love for humanity and / or our country is not the issue here. How you treat them is.

            If a man beats his wife to death, because she cheated on him, is he doing what is good for her? Even though he loved her, was his action good?

            If you have a teenaged son, who does yard work, and he consolidates all teens, doing the same thing, is he doing a good thing? If he convinces them all to demand raising the price of lawn care from $25 a month to $1000 a month, is that a good thing? If, due to the “collective bargaining”, everyone is forced to bring in lawn care specialists from another country, was it good?

            If there is a homeless family in your town, and you force everyone, who has a home, to pay $50 a month to support them, is that a good thing?

            I might accept that you love our country, but what you advocate is harmful, in my opinion, so I will fight you over these issues in any manner necessary.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Nope, but they do believe in doing things the way that Almighty God has set things up. No hatred there. People are always against things that are perverse in nature, against God’s creation, and are just not normal. Here is an article about a school that blatently violated the God-given rights, as written in the 1st Amendment, of some of the students attending.
            http://www.lastresistance.com/2308/school-district-tells-christians-to-shut-up/
            Looks like the 5th column is up to its old tricks again. But alas! Satan will never give up till his last day. Ergo, I’ll not stop telling the truth about our founding, even if I live to be 100 years old. You 2 will give up before I do. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “The federalist may fairly enough be regarded as the most authentic exposition of the heart of the federal Constitution as understood by the body which prepared and the authority which accepted it.”
            James Madison
            5th President of the U. S.
            “Father of the Constitution”
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Well, well, well, just speak of the devil. Look what the cat dragged in. You are the fraud here, Jeffrey. Speaking of frauds, like you, how about this one?
          http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/06/bombshell-document-examiner-tied-to-obama-defense-attorney-says-birth-cetificate-is100-fraud/#ixzz2Vg4Ccmgl
          Sounds like you sheeple need to start accepting the truth that your “messiah” is nothing but a fraud and a pretender. Kind of like you, eh Jeff? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
          “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.”
          Benjamin Franklin
          Founding father
          Devout Christian

          • Jeff

            Fraud implies deception. You pretend to be a samurai and a teacher. I believe you are neither. And the only one here who constantly talks about a messiah is you. Face it, if Jesus came back under the name Joe and told you to be good to strangers, the poor, immigrants, minorities, to turn the other cheek, etc., you’d call him a libturd or some other such idiotic name and tell him to get a job.

          • Bob666

            Yo Jeff,

            You forgot that he would tell Joe:

            “You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out”.

            be nice to Sammy-he is doing those sessions with Marcus Bachmann-not that there is anything wrong with that.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Like I said, you are a fraud. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “There are no atheists in fox holes.”
            Samurai

          • Jeff

            Inscrutable Samurai make pronouncement. It make no sense but what else new?

          • Jeff

            Do the kids who don’t believe as you do have to sit outside while you “teach”? And if they do, how much higher are their test scores than the kids who have to listen to your inane blathering?

          • Bob666

            Yo Sammy,
            I would say that if anyone knows Fraud-you would be the expert. Should we call you Geisha (芸者) now?

            “A man only learns in two ways, one by reading, and the other by association with smarter people.” — Will Rogers, American humorist and Freemason.

            That leaves Geisha boy out.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            No response due to lack of intellectual content. BTW, here are some sources for you Bob Antichrist.
            http://www.keyofsolomon.org/Obama.php
            http://www.endtimeschristianity.com/cgi-bin/webbbs_files/webbbs_config.pl?noframes;read=1281
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obzs2RgVr38
            I gues Bob and Jeff both believe in, “Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein furher.” Just like the good little goose steppers they are. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “The internal effect of a mutable policy poisons the blessings of liberty itself.”
            James Madison
            5th President of the U. S.
            Founding father
            “Father of the Constitution”
            Devout Christian

          • Bob666

            Yo Geisha (芸者) Boy
            “I gues Bob and Jeff both believe in, “Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein furher.”

            I could not tell you what Jeff believes in, But I believe you to be a spineless fraud.

            “Empty pockets never held anyone back. Only empty heads and empty hearts can do that.” — Norman Vincent Peale, American minister and Freemason,

            And Geisha boy, your head is as about as empty as one can get.

            BTW, you have scraped the bottom of the barrel on anti-mason slurs-now you have to recycle them-Very Sad.

            I hope that Marcus Bachmann can help you get rid of those male voices coming from you’re under-ware-not that any of us judge for you for that orientation.

            http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Michele_Bachmann

            http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Dick_Cheney

          • DarlK

            Bob, your handle says it all, especially the 666 part. At least you’re honest about it.

          • Bob666

            DarlK,
            My “handle” says what you read into it and that I have no control over.

          • DarlK

            If you have no control over it then someone, or some thing, has control, or at least influence, over you. Most people would shy away from using 666 in any form because of the symbolism that comes with it.

          • Jeff

            Simply pathetic.

        • DarlK

          What an idiot! Your inteligence is really showing in your posts. NOT!!!!!!!

          • Jeff

            Post something that evidences consciousness and perhaps I’ll respond. From what I’ve seen thus far, I can have a more intellectual discussion with my dog.

          • Bob666

            Yo Jeff,
            In all fairness to Darl, you probably have a pretty smart dog.

    • Frank Kahn

      your first statement says it all

      ” I agree with Bill Maher in that I trust Obama”

      Everything after that is negated by your blind trust in a liar.

      • Jeff

        Frank, I can’t be responsible for your inability to read or to think.

        • Frank Kahn

          Obviously, you can’t even be responsible for yourself in those regards. I have no problem reading, and it is you that has a problem with thought. It is impossible to be exposed to the multitude of lies by Obama, and then claim to trust him in any manner.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Long rant, short on substance and facts. But alas! What else is new? Here is an example of how the IRS, under the instructions of Obama bin Laden, has been treating Christians.
      http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/irs-tells-ministry-you-cant-talk-about-that/
      Here is one about Hitlery, the IRS, and her being fired by her boss.
      http://www.wnd.com/2013/05/hillary-helped-draft-irs-charge-against-nixon/
      I guess that Hitlery will have that brought up also at her inquests. I sure hope so. After that, I guess she went to Arkansas and married Bill “Do a Lewinsky” Clinton. I guess she couldn’t cut it the first time, but why is she back now? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
      “A patriot must be a religious man.”
      Thomas Jefferson
      3rd President of the U. S.
      Founding father
      Orthodox Christian

  • Karolyn

    I live in SC; and every time I read about our esteemed Sen. Graham I want to puke!

    • red neck

      Now you know how I feel about obama…. ( intentional small “o” ).

    • linecrosser

      That’s always bugged me, how they always refer to themselves as esteemed or honorable this or that. It would be like me wasting my money on a team jersey or hat and thinking I’m part of the team.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Why, Karolyn, don’t you like one of your own Leftist ideologues in training? He is also giving you what you want in spite of the fact he calls himself Republican.

    • Bob666

      Amen!

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      This is what happens when you re-elect a RINO to office. He is also a 5th columner. I will agree with you about Senator Graham, but vote him out the next election. Try to get someone, like Nikki Haley, into the position. She could represent SC a lot better. Here is what is happening to Christians in Egypt, thanks to Obama bin Laden.
      http://www.politichicks.tv/column/due-in-part-to-obama-admins-aid-egypt-more-brutal-and-radical-then-ever/
      Here is aa article showing how government and Christianity mix.
      http://www.politichicks.tv/column/christians-and-politics-and-why-they-do-mix/
      I know some 5th columner will try to attack the second article. But alas! They cannot argue with facts. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “Our liberties are founded on morals and religion (Christianity), whose authority reigns in the heart, and on the influence all these produce on public opinion before that opinion governs rulers.”
      Fisher Ames
      Founding father
      “Author of the 1st Amendment”
      Devout Christian

      • Karolyn

        Hopefully, we will vote Nikki Haley out next year! She is doing NO good for SC! We need Democrat (conservative) Vincent Sheheen in the Governor’s mansion!

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          I’ve never heard of a conservative liberal. They are opposite ends of the spectrum. What you need is someone like Jim DeMint in there. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
          “This law of nature, being co-eval with mankind and dictated by God Himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times; no human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this; upon these two foundations, the law of nature and the law of revelation, depend all human laws; that is to say, no human laws should be suffered (permitted) to contradict these.”
          William Blackstone
          English Jurist

          • Karolyn

            I didn’t say conservative liberal; I said conservative democrat. No all democrats are liberal. Jim DeMint? Please spare me!

  • Centurian

    Hey everyone. Be careful. I’ve posted here and a few other places. I belong to a gun club and have a CCW permit. My wife got audited last month and I got my letter today. This is terrorism!

    • Charlie

      Did they spell your name in ALL CAPS ? do you know what “””Style”””of PRINT that is ??? Are you a member of that “Corporation”???

    • equestrian_colt

      They can audit away I don’t owe them anything and if I did they would never get a penny and the rest of you need to be the same way. Stand strong and firm and be prepared to defend yourself family and property. Lock and load.

  • red neck

    Has anyone thought of the possibility that these “leaks” may have been intentional????… Meaning what if it is the plan to “leak” this information about spying on Americans in order to silence the opposition of obama through fear?

  • linecrosser

    If you won’t say it face to face why post it?

  • Ped Xing

    It is not “Obama’s NSA”, Teabagger.

    The NSA is a security apparatus of the United States, therefore it is YOUR NSA, Bob Dylan’s NSA, and Megyn Kelly’s NSA, as well.

    If I am not mistaken, the more “Big Brotherly” aspects of the NSA were pumped-up by the Reich Wing Cheneybush Regime in response to their ignoring specific warnings and thus allowing the events of 911 to unfold with the degree of horror that they did.

    Fright Wing Amerika went into an hysterical tizzy after 911—shooting turban-wearing Sikhs, frothing with hatred and foaming with fear, advocating torture, suspension of Law, and even genocide.

    Listen, I know you losers are really tired of people making comparisons between the Obama Administration the Cheneybush Regime—too bad—the comparisons are valid. You losers simply foment a false narrative because you have never been able to accept a Black man in the White Guy’s House.

    President Obama is a HUGE disappointment to the Left, and you whining sheeple just cannot fathom that reality. In your tiny paranoid caves, you force yourselves to believe, against all reason, that the president is a Marxist-Leninist, a Socialist, a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, or the spawn of the Symbionese Liberation Army.

    Your REAL problem, plain and simple, is Obama’s RACE—No president or his family has ever been subjected to the defamation, the non-cooperation, or the abject rudeness visited upon President Obama and his family. Gotta be a Black thing—NOTHING else explains the level of loathing we see daily. NO president has ever had a member of Congress screa, “You liar!” during an important address. The wonderful Barbara Lee did not even jump up and scream “You liar!” at Bush even though she KNEW he was lying when he tossed FIVE THOUSAND of our children into a mass grave in Iraq.

    Yes; President Obama has a LOT of shortcomings, but all of you, in your mass delusion, point the wrong way. LOSERS!

    Hopefully, eight years of President Hillary will more closely mirror the hopes of the Enlightened, stock the Supremes with judges willing to put the proper emphasis on the term “well-regulated” in the Second Derangement to the Constipation, and you freaks can stay in your caves and whimper.

    Get used to it—the old lie that was the White Estates of Amerikkka, the republic built on Theft, Genocide, Forced labor, Forced Relocation, and Ethnic Cleansing, is dying the gasping death she deserves.

    Your thinking will only continue to slide into the gutter and your Kandidates will continue to fall at the ballot box.

    Voter are becoming, daily and unstoppably, younger, more female, and less White. Thank God!

    Collectively, White ‘Christian’ males have brought nothing but problems in the world.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So much verbiage to say so little. You are becoming frenzied in your absolution of O and his underlings. They wouldn’t resort to this underhanded spying on the American people if they weren’t secure in their knowledge that they were not going to be curtailed.

    • WTS/JAY

      And the obamadunce drools again.

    • Frank Kahn

      Collectively, moronic liberals like you have brought nothing but immoral despotism and hatred to the world. Racism is your only credo, you are sickening. The youth are brainwashed to believe that wrong is right. The insane democrats win women over by lying to them about some imaginary rights to murder babies. There is no war on women, there is no war on homosexuals, there is no war on minorities. These are all lies, made up by liberals, about conservatives, designed to trick people into believing the liberals are wonderful.

      The real war is on immoral and insane policies being forced on good God fearing people. It is a war for the freedom and liberties of ALL PEOPLE, not just the poor blacks or Mexicans. It is a war to keep the freedom of religion, instead of degrading into an Islamic, religion based rule. It is a war on black against white racism. It might be said to be a war against the ignorance of liberals, but, since the liberal ignorance is intentional, it is against the stupidity of liberals.

      Black? Is he black? Wow, I didn’t know a black man could be so evil. And, his wife, is she black? Is that what it is that makes her a narcissist? Is it her blackness, that makes her think she knows better about how to feed our children? Is it because they are black kids, that gives them the right to take 3 vacations, in foreign countries, in a month, when the rest of the nation is struggling to just eat? Is the constant lying, by the president, because he is black? Is the demonizing of capitalism, and trying to destroy it, because he is black? Is, his belief that, entrepreneurs did not build their businesses, something he believes because he is black? And, while we are at it, is speaking out against all these problems with him, because he is black? In pointing out all of his lies, is that disrespecting him, or would accepting and approving it be disrespecting everyone else?

      Comparing him to which Bush, 1 or 2? There is a good possibility that he follows some of Daddy Bush’s actions. Daddy Bush committed a war crime in the first gulf war, and Obama is committing them all the time with his drone killings. Little Bush, okay, I agree, Obama is doing the same as him, only on a bigger scale. Obama, and his administration, has its hands in more foreign armed conflicts than Bush. The fact that he is using the arming of known terrorist organizations to do the, boots on the ground, fighting makes it worse, not better than Bush sending our troops to Iraq. Did Bush create the NDA? Even if that is true, Obama is using it to spy on citizens without proper judicial oversight, so it is his mistake not Bush’s.

      Are we, up in arms, because he is black, or because we are finally fed up with the ever increasing tyranny of our government? Granted, Bush 2 was no saint, but that does not reduce the fact that Obama is a lying, narcissistic, anti-capitalism, anti-christian and tyrannical liberal. I never heard about Bush spying on half the nations population. If I had, you can be assured, I would have been just as upset with his WHITE tyranny as I am with Obama’s.

      You need to get yourself to a psychologist, to have your deeply ingrained racism against WHITE MEN taken care of.

      And, you should not wish for and get all excited about the prospect of 8 years of rule by the insane Clintons, that would most assuredly push this nation into an internal armed conflict to purge the liberals from the world.

      It is very sad, but somewhat comical, that the only people that support this liberal regime is the American liberal morons, and the Muslims of the world. Even the Russians, and Chinese think Obama is creating a socialism based communist society here. The Chinese call him “monkey boy” and hate his treason against our country. Do you think that the Chinese people are ignorant right wingers? Do they hate him just because he is black?

      Nothing you say has any merit. None of the things, that you see as good, are good for civilization. Applauding the fact that, young ignorant voters, support liberalism is a symptom of your lack of reasoning in the real world. The current lack of proper education, in our schools, is much of the cause of the lack of morals in this country. To save the nation, we need to purge our education system of its twisted liberal agenda. Get back to teaching strong family principles, and self reliance. Start teaching our children, especially the minorities, that they need to stand up and be a productive member of society, not a leach on the resources. Start teaching acceptance, not division or special treatment of minorities. Stop teaching class warfare.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Sheesh! What a long rant filled with lie, rhetoric, innuendo, hate, and arrogance. Ooops! Sounds like Obama bin Laden. The last sentence you posted is a lie. Care to site a source to try to back up that bald faced lie? Ah yes, the race card has been played. Classic 5th column strategy. Here are some videos dealing with Obama bin Laden and his administration.
      http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/obamas-snooping-this-is-america/
      http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/troops-targeted-by-nsa-for-anti-obama-views/
      http://www.minutemannews.com/2013/06/state-department-cover-ups-the-corruption-is-endemic-and-wide-spread/
      There are many more, but why insert them into a single posting? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해사!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
      “The Bible should always remain the principle textbook in America’s classrooms.”
      Fisher Ames
      Founding father
      “Author of the 1st Amendment”
      Devout Christian

    • Wizzardly

      BHO is not black, he is a mulatto, 1/2 white. But NOBODY cares about that, nor that he started life as a Muslim and NOBODY cares about that, either. Dr. King taught us to judge a man by the content of his character, but not how to judge his character. Well, the only way to judge character is by a person’s words and deeds. In both these dimensions, as we very slowly learn more about him, BHO’s character-needle barely moves off 0. Alex, I was thinking of lots of snarky remarks on how your bitterness is probably due to the failure of your personal life. But I won’t go any further into that. I’ll just comment that life is hard for all of us. We all have to struggle for personal success and the only path that works is hard work and study and focus on doing well and doing good. Do an unexpected kindness for a stranger with no expectation of reward and see how good it makes you feel about yourself, and the world.

    • securityman

      alex, one question. Why are you living in a country that you hate so much? oh, that’s right, you wouldn’t have the freedom to say these things in another . I will tell you this, when obummer gives this country to the muslims and the sh** hits the fan , you will not be among the elitest that get to take control. I know that a lot of idiots like you think that you wil be on the top with obummer and his cohorts,but what you will be in reality is what we used to call “cannon fodder”. so good luck to you…….

  • Lucy and Ricky

    As I read these comments it has occured to me that the government is not only divided but is also attempting to divide us. We are all we have. At this point it really doesn’t matter who did what or who said what. Our government is not protecting us. They don’t play well together and frankly don’t know what to do on the playground. They need direction like any child. We need to ban together and develop a united front.

  • Kinetic1

    Is it coincidence that the chosen background color for this “news source” is yellow?

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Like the color of the streak down your back. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

      • nick

        America was not founded on judeo-christianity,if we were there still be slavery,plus no women’s right’s of any kind,abe lincoln himself says the united states government is in no sense founded on the christian religion.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Since you are lying and have no way to back up what you have said, there is no reason to answer your unfounded rant. So take your atheism/secularism and go home. You are only embarrassing yourself. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
          “History is God’s providence in human affairs.”
          Daniel Webster
          American statesman
          Devout Christin

          • Bob666

            Oh Geisha Boy,

            “Since you are lying and have no way to back up what you have said, there is no reason to answer your unfounded rant. So take your atheism/secularism and go home. You are only embarrassing yourself”.

            You embarrass yourself every time that you post!

            Tom Mix,
            American actor. Made over 400 western movies.
            Utopia Lodge No. 537, Los Angeles, California.

        • Charlie

          Well ,,, how about that? another heathen stumbles across some “Truth” and can’t see it or understand it… YOU are absolutely right,,, America WAS NOT founded on judeo-christianity !!! AMERICA WAS FOUNDED ON REAL CHRISTIANITY AS WRITTEN in most normal Bibles,,, for example KJV 1611, NASB and others… So , nick,, your about half right,,, BUT,,, that’s still a lie… Truth is 100% correct as King Jesus and His Men say it is , in The King’s Law Book…

  • ireAmerica

    Barack Obama has proven that he will not protect Americans, even in the most dire circumstances (Benghazi). So let’s repurpose the NSA;

    The doctrine of Islam (as in the Koran and taught by clerics) is global jihad. The methods (as in the Koran and taught by clerics) are force and extreme violence. In Islam, orthodoxy is required under pain of death.

    Granted that Islam is an anti-religion and a political death-cult. High officials of Islam declare that “Mosques are our barracks, the dome our helmet, minarets our bayonets, the faithful our soldiers”.

    The statements and actions of Islam ARE probable cause. So, NSA, watch all Moslems and mosques 24 – 7. That would even be Constitutional!

  • ridge runner

    Alex apparently must be a union public educated clown. The Democrat Party has always want more control over its citizens, beleives in government knows best, always promoted fascism/communism from its first days. The muslim marxist books proves what a puke he has always been, Alex shows his mental stupidity, in trying to defend this jug eared moron in the WH, and what anti USA pukes he surrounds him self with. As thew scandals keep showing up, the Democrat Party chosen puke sure is going to be hard to defend, even if the media gives cover to the lies!

  • Darral

    This Might seem a stupid question But first a few details, NSA was started by the Ford administration, expanded by the Carter administration, then went dormant like so many other Government agencies we pay for, Then 9/11 Bush revised NSA to look for, locate, identify Terrorists, Obama Democratic Administration has expanded it to spy on all Americans, HOW in the HHHH do they have time to look for Terrorists.

  • jdbixii

    There is a tendency to over-estimate the degree of enthusiasm that a lot of people in intelligence have for their work. There might even be a tendency to over-estimate their abilities. But there is a definite misconception on the part of the public concerning the extent to which it is possible to monitor. It takes human beings to do that kind of scrutiny. They don’t have that many people or the time or the NEED TO KNOW. And they don’t waste resources on worthless, meaningless crap such as all of the hype that has accompanied the current disclosure concerning the scope of their analysis of tele-communications. If you are looking for a needle in a haystack, it is the needle you are concerned about, not the haystack. You use a metal detector for the needle, not a match to light the haystack!

  • vietnamvet1971

    Just wanted to drop in and say Hi to the Spies and thank Obozo for his thoughtfulness.He makes their job so Easy so they can know what we are saying, doing, it reassures me knowing we are safe from those darn Terrorist like the “Boston Bombers” I wonder how they slipped through the Cracks, Oh well not to worry they will get’em next time. In the mean time “We the People” the Real ones not the Flakes and other Nitwits you know who you are so IF the shoe fits wear it.

  • dan

    what’s hilarious is hearing Red China and Russia (KGB-Putin) lecture us about not listening in….an invasion of privacy,don’t you know

    • Libertarian Soldier

      Nonsense; our abuse is better than their abuse!

      Don’t forget, they’ve got the high moral ground on Syria. We instigated, funded, advised militarily and without Congressional approval, armed the rebels in that civil war that started this proxy war that’s coming out to not be proxy at all!

      We (when I say we, I don’t mean you and I, I mean barack hussein obama, hillary clinton and Ambassador Stevens) may have now started World War III.

      That’s what Benghazi was really about.

      Answer if you want to know about them getting in bed with and arming al quaeda to overthrow Qaddafi, then stealing the weapons we gave them to send to the muslim brotherhood in Syria, via Turkey.

      That’s why al queada (ansar al sharia) hit our diplomatic post, why we covered it up and bailed and why the rebels have been losing since Christopher Stevens has been dead. Don’t forget clinton ii lied to Congress when asked about it.

      She’ll be a better democrat ick president than obama; don’t you think, with this kind of expericne behind her?

      Oh, remember the debate of ads when the question was asked, ‘it’s 3:00 AM. who do you want answering that phone?’

      After 9/11/12, that’s a hoot!

      • Charlie

        Your intelligence is a little off ,,, the murder of Moe Q and some of his sons , WAS, what caused Benghazi … Al Kyda is just a phony balony name “”They”” use to pin on “”whoever”” they want to point at as a bad guy… Moe was well “Loved” by his country men… Also the American Oil companies liked him… Beware , there is no telling how many women have a son by Moe…………..

        • Libertarian Soldier

          I took that into account and while there’s some traction gained by al qeada, to the killing of Moe and sons, the advance intelligence of that attack was out before obama pulled that trigger.

          Oh and they tried and failed to kidnap Britain’s Ambassador, first and Britain was involved with the US’s shipment of weapons but didn’t have anything to do with Moe and sons.

  • me

    Damn graham. you swore to back and uphold the constitution. You are not sure who is entitled to the first amendment.. Read the text. The wording at the beginning is we the people. Doesn’t that tell your ignorant ass anything. we have too much of this type of people controllers in our government. Its time uncaring people get out and vote for the right ones to maybe save this country. If they don’t all we will do is go down,down.

  • popham

    The United States of America has simply become a full-blown
    surveillance state, nothing more, nothing less.
    Good luck, America.

  • MyronJPoltroonian

    Hmm, bumper sticker of the millennia? “Big ‘O’ Is Watching” (and I don’t mean the tire company.)

    • Libertarian Soldier

      oprah?
      Don’t forget she’s the one that sold him to us. Without her, he’d have never happened.

  • nomaster

    Obama the Federal eye, watching us all, while we sit back and wonder if the tyrant is really a tyrant. He follows in the footsteps of his predecessor expanding the NSA and its absolute spying powers. How can anyone sit by and wait for his long reaching hand and the backup from the most powerful army in the world at his disposal. Like they say small steps prove to be the best way to deceive.

  • Robbie

    For the information of readers it might be noted that the NSA was started up way back in 1952 and was based on a military intelligence agency started when Ike was president. Therefore making it sound like this is some kind organization conceived by President Obama is somewhat misleading shall we say.

    • Libertarian Soldier

      That’s it! That’s your post? You want to educate the rest of us? I think you’ve misled yourself if you managed to get the impression that the NSA could, in any way be thought up by the likes of obama and that any informed person would come away with that kind of confusion.

      If you’ve been paying attention, robbie, it’s been made abundantly clear that not only did obama not dream up the NSA but he campaigned in protest of the Bush’s NSA program, pledged to shut it down, ‘…with the stroke of a pen’, not put it on steroids and aim it at the US? Bush’s NSA program in which he, then President Bush used qualified intelligence to track foreign terror suspects in their communications with people in the United States, period.

      If memory serves me correctly, obama believed Bush’s actions of tracing qualified leads of foreign terror suspects, operating with contacts in the USA was unconstitutional and a 1st Amendment abuse.

      So, not to be outdone by a President he hated, he doubled down and decided to track the complete US population, the innocent, instead of the guilty. I think that’s the distinction you’re looking for.

      If you want to draw the line with some level of specificity, that’s the distinction:
      –Bush was vilified by obama for collecting data of suspected terrorists abroad in their communications with Americans
      –obama is not only collecting telephone data; he’s collecting anything electronic, email, v-mail, text, social media, everything and he doesn’t discriminate; he’s bugging everybody in the US!

      • Robbie

        One intelligent observation George Bush made when he left office was that no matter what anyone thinks the reality is that when you become President and get all the information about what is going on in the world you realize what a fantasy world everyone else is in. My guess is that President Obama went through that shock therepy when he reached the White House. I bet anything he is doing is called for in order to protect the nation. I know you simply hate him but in years to come you may thank him for altering his views to match the need.

        • Libertarian Soldier

          Young robbie,

          You started your poor excuse for a rebuttal with, “One intelligent observation…”, then dribbled on. This is obviously plagiarized because as intelligent observations go, I find myself asking, how would you know an intelligent observation from you elbow?

          I also think I read it somewhere before but you didn’t give credit.

          I’m not certain what you just wrote but don’t feel bad, you’re not either.

          As for shock therapy; get some.

          “i bet anything he is doing is called for in order to protect the nation. I know you simply hate him but in years to come you may thank him for altering his views to match the need.”

          Aren’t you people better than that?

          You go on ‘betting anything’ because you and he are betting everything that this corrupt, bastardized invasive, abusive policy will in some way work out and I’ll magically thank him, that fantasy world you refer to might just be there with a few more hits of whatever you’re doing.

          • Robbie

            Name calling and insults are a poor excuse for an argument. Perhaps after washing out your mouth you can come back with something intelligent to say.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            The only name I called you was young robbie because I’m fairly certain you haven’t been around long.

            As for insults, I did say that you’re not as bright as you think you are but don’t feel bad about that. I’m sure mommy says you’re “special” and there are a whole bunch of people, dead and alive, eligible and ineligible that voted for your Bill of Rights busting hero, so you’re among many. The fact that I’ve addressed your simple but doltish writings, at all can be held up as a trophy and you can consider that a compliment.

            I did touch on the fact that 1. You have no reason to make your initial assertions and you’ve compounded it with a statement that 2. I would ever thank barack hussein obama (those are fighting words) for tyrannical usurpation against “We the People”, and violations of the Bill of Rights, all of the amendments, 1 through 10 (save the 3rd and the 7th) and the 14th Amendment. All that would have to happen for a Coup de Grat would be martial law to kill the 3rd and an argument can be made that the 7th already has already been compromised.

            “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” –Benjamin Franklin

            Regarding washing out my mouth; I wouldn’t dream of doing that. I brush regularly and I don’t partake in whatever you’re doing, so I have all my original teeth. How about you? Regarding something intelligent to say, I’d already said it but you were likely contemplating your belly-button or like I said, before, your elbow.

          • Robbie

            More insults. Who would have guessed? It’s not exactly “a compliment” when that’s all you can come up with. But hey, you’re not going to reply to me anymore and you have no idea how sad I am about that. Also, as an aside, all this “we the people” stuff is getting really tiresome from you right wing types who are more and more in the minority. “We the people” are more and more the majority who now vote Democratic and for so many good reasons. Judging by who the GOP is putting forward as presidential hopefuls so far would ensure that Hilary or Joe will be the next president after Obama.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            OK. One more!

            It doesn’t even surprise me anymore to hear the heresy of “We The People… tiresome”. That much is clear. What happened to the principled democrats of the 1970s? I didn’t like their policies but they had a belief in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. They were far more moral than the moralistic arguments of today!

            When Nixon helped cover up his campaign’s break in at the Watergate Hotel, democrats were outraged! When Nixon bombed in Cambodia and Laus before consulting Congress, they went nuts. When it was discovered that Nixon’s campaign used the IRS to investigate who they believed were communist infiltrators, they screamed and these were the 3 Articles of Impeachment and they sought redress.

            Where are those democrats? The republicans that, now, in my opinion are only slightly better, today, at that time were equally outraged. They demanded and got Nixon’s resignation.

            The world and our country is now less safe than ever before because of obama’s absence of a foreign policy, outside of his full, mindless, unfettered support of the Caliphate. In support of the proliferation of the gay agenda, and the democrat ick party in the military, obama has been punishing soldiers for their 1st Amendment protections of association (reading materials, bible studies and meetings, political affiliations, mined from spying on their twitter accounts), approved reading materials (no bibles left out, no reading Sean Hannity in any other soldier’s presence, even if not engaged in duty), bumper stickers (seen on personal vehicles off base), where they buy food (chick fil A found by data mining ). Soldiers are being targeted for asserting their 1st Amendment protections and practice of faith and political beliefs and are being persecuted, for them, including poor performance reports attached to these protected rights with no relationship to performance metrics. In this man’s country, we can agree to disagree with informed or stupid assertions but we cannot suspend the Bill of Rights to advance an agenda.

            This has become a country run by the unabashed hateful, intolerance and bigotry toward the Faithful, the Constitutional, the Moral. We are stifled by the very people sworn to protect our rights. When an amendment to an act to correct this was drafted a few days ago, your hero vowed to veto it. This is your hero, the tyrant and the usurper.

            This is the same guy that commissioned a military plan to put down a “Tea Party Movement”, the same guy that is arming every federal agency and cornered the market on hollow point bullets while outlawing them for law abiding citizens. This commander and chief has called veterans, people like me that fight for our Constitution “Possible Homegrown Terrorists”. This man is planning an uncivil, civil war on its patriots that have protected and defend the Constitution that he tramples.

            You left wingers are so f’ed up you don’t know how f’ed up you are. The Constitution is the center, not the right wing! You call the KKK the right wing and they are an organization of the democrat ick party, the same party that voted against emancipation and freeing the slaves, the same party that would rather go to war than give up slavery and that voted against the civil rights in the south. The bill of rights is basis of Freedom and Liberty and your party has returned to their roots of hate, of racist politics and of demagoguery.

            It’s true that more and more, the once moral democrat ick party that championed the rights of all citizens now champions rights of foreign nationals above our citizens. Your people champion preferential representation without taxation, the opposite of what America stands for, above the disenfranchised, law abiding, tax paying, moral citizens that again find themselves under a tyrannical government that imposes ever increasing taxation without representation. Nobody taught you what the Charter (the Declaration…) and the Compact (the Constitution) are. You either slept through that part or your teachers never told you the government is a creature of the Compact, not a party to it. We don’t serve the government. The government serves us! It serves “We The People”, not a tyrannical overlord that has you people brainwashed to believe it’s the other way around.

            Civilizatoin after civilization falls when government has absolute power. ‘Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely’. You think that’s just a slogan?

            The democrat ick party and the republican party are both filled with your kind, the kind that are so far left that you don’t realize the Constitution and who “We the People” are; we are Centralist!

            You just can’t be any more informed or say anything more intelligent if it would save your life. No wonder this country is gone to hell.

            I’m so tired of trying to do the job of the people that weren’t supposed to let you graduate without knowing this.

            There is absolutely nothing better in this country since the taking over of the socialistic, the democrat ick party. We’re most of 5 years in and we’re facing censorship; we have an executive that hasn’t had to prove he’s a citizen, much less eligible to be commander in chief of our military but he’s started 4 civil wars without congressional approval in favor of the Caliphate, the muslim brotherhood. He’s personally destabilized the region in Yemen, in Egypt, in Libya and now in Syria. Did you know that clinton ii and your hero got in bed with and armed al qeada in order to overthrow Qaddafi?

            That’s right your hero started an overthrowing of governments business with the people that hijacked and flew jets into two towers of our world trade center and our Pentagon and aimed at our white house.

            So, when I spend the time to try to educate you and your kind, the leftist democrats and republicans, I’d just prefer you say thank you instead of calling me right wing or complaining about how tired you are of the principles of liberty.

          • Robbie

            Most of your contentions are nonsense and pure flights of fancy. You are listening far too much to FOX and the likes of Rush. I suggest reality based news sources. And, by the way, America will always be in a state of flux and change and – in my opinion – improvement. It has always been thus. If America never changed you’d still be speaking with a British accent and wearing a white wig with pony tail!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            First off, I’ve never, ever listened to the likes of rush limbaugh and I’m not even certain whether I spelled his last name right. I make it a point to listen to leftist media on msnbc, cnn, abc, nbc, cbs and even to what I consider to be a balanced, centralist fox. You should try some of their shows. They have former democrat ick party white house chiefs of staff, they have Juan Williams, in order to keep it balanced with true wing-nut ideolgues. Doesn’t make you sick like msnbc which is leftist propaganda ministry on steroids. Try some British publications, while leftist, they sometimes report more than “obama, good; everybody else, racist”.

            Secondly, there’s nothing that I’m alleging that isn’t common knowledge everywhere but on the leftist media, that you can glean interdependently if you just do a little research and stop listening to everything your fuhrer and his propaganda ministry says.

            I’ve been stationed in Europe, the middle east and asia. I read the paper from the international press. The arab press and Israelis aren’t as kind as I am about obama and clinton ii. That’s how I found out about your heroes, obama and clinton ii arming al qeada.

            There’s nothing fancy about treason, perjury of and contempt of Congress since one of your ideas of the next president told Rand Paul and Congress she knew nothing of buying and selling guns to or from al queda or the muslim brotherhood and knew nothing of shipping arms to the muslim brotherhood in Syria via Turkey and said she’d have to ask someone else.

            Feel free to do some research but here, if you’re lazy enough to throw away liberties in favor of tyranny for what’s popular and that’s your answer to everything, you’re the poster boy for what’s wrong with this country. You can go to international sites and try to read arabic, like I do, bet you can’t or you can go to some of the sites below:

            http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-admin-admits-to-covertly-sending-heavy-weapons-to-syrian-rebels-2012-12

            http://symbolic-mirage.blogspot.com/2013/05/hillary-clinton-arms-to-al-qaeda.html

            http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3491880

            http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3022028/posts

            http://beforeitsnews.com/terrorism/2013/06/hillary-clinton-committing-treason-2446774.html

            http://mrscottyl.blogspot.com/2013/05/more-benghazi-whistleblowers-ready-to.html

            The Constitution, while changing, from time to time has never and should never change its Bill Of Rights. The only frivolous changes were the 18th and the 21st amendments that canceled each other out and this was from an act of tyranny on the populace and had to be turned over.

            You speak of change in the context of history where change is the short answer for change for purpose.

            You also speak of change in the context of our Constitution and wearing wigs, which at least had an educated, moral populace by the standards of that time.

            After years of clear thought, from the principles of the Magna Carta, the Ten Commandments, the writing of Natural Law of Hobbes, Russo and Locke, these highly educated wig wearers whom I’d be proud to be among drafted a close to perfect document with answers to the questions of today and with warnings of your kind.

            The principles of these documents, the Charter and the Compact are ageless, timeless of grace and fineness, stolen words of Rod Stewart from the drafters of anonymous English poetry.

            You, protest statements of fact as fiction. You bristle when your wisdom is questioned and yet you advance ignorant, reactionary, often angry, accusatory, racist, although loyal points of views based on popular opinion, non-fact and innuendo, only from time to time coming upon my uncharitable disposition toward your intelligence. To this, I say, this is as charitable as I can be when you say that,

            “And, by the way, America will always be in a state of flux and change and – in my opinion – improvement. It has always been thus.” Though stilted, for you, at the end, it’s not even intelligent sounding noise.

            –Our economy is the worst it’s been for the longest period it’s ever been in our history.
            –Our simple liberties are being trashed by our law enforcement branch of the government on our military, on our populace, on those that believe differently
            –We are in debt to the international power that wishes to subplant us as the greater nation with no intent to reduce that debt; our articles of confederation spoke of not being in debt
            —Israel, our one ally in the middle east has been disrespected by our pResident and his actions have put his support with the new Caliphate, those that openly speak of wiping Israel off the face of the Earth
            —This pResident, who campaigned to garner the most transparent administration in history has been the most secretive, deceptive, evasive ever
            –This executive unconstitutionally vetoed Congress’ no vote on his ‘dream act’ when the articles of confederation, Article 1, Section 8 Paragraph 4 state the states determine Naturalization but Congress may form a uniform rule which they did; The worst case of Election Fraud in the history of election fraud.
            –Hate groups run rampant in the democrat ick ticket and seek to silence and censor free speech, freedom of Religion (in favor of secualrism and islamic faith, only) and force intolerance and bigotry toward the faithful, the Constitutional and the moral
            –China has leases for mineral rights and natural resources in Mexico and has begun patrolling US shores within 200 miles
            –obama rejected paid leases in Canada that now go to bid to China who is also in negotiations to purchase an abandoned fort 200 miles from New York.
            –We turned down our right of spoil in Iraq so Chinese nationals pump half of Iraq’s oil production to Chinese reserves to corner the oil market
            –obama’s NSA no longer investigates our enemies but punishes perceived enemies of the democrat ick party and investigates all of a ‘Free Society’s citizens’
            –We started Syria; we must get out. This isn’t a big bar where we can just say ‘sorry about obama, he’s just drunk and talking s**t about crossing lines. Oh, sorry about him swinging on you when you weren’t looking.’ Now, Syria got their posse involved, Russia and Iran. WWIII?
            –Russia is not wrong anymore. They have high moral ground since we instigated, funded, armed (against knowledge of Congress) four countries for overthrow and then stepped away like nothing happened, causing what may become World War III over syria and we started it!
            –Russia said they warned us about the Tsaraev’s and we let them bomb our Boston Marathon, anyway
            –The day after the election, Russia’s newspaper headlines read, “OBAMA REELECTED BY AN ILLITERATE SOCIETY”

            You know what, before you finish High School, read an old fashioned History book and a Civics book. Go to a reputable school and study up before you think you can complain about my giving you no credit for your lack of intelligence and lack of education.

            I do mean it when I say you and those like you are what’s wrong with this country and that you’re so f’d up you don’t know how f’d up you are.

            I’m 100% right and you’re 100% wrong and it being popular to be stupid is a bad argument

          • MyronJPoltroonian

            I just posted this to your “Buddy” above. “Government is the New Race: MSNBC is to news channels as Ringling Bros’ Clown College is to Harvard University… ”

            -Canada Free Press

          • MyronJPoltroonian

            “Government is the New Race: MSNBC is to news channels as Ringling Bros’ Clown College is to Harvard University… ”

            -Canada Free Press

          • monizame

            Robbie,you obviously are a welfare reciepient or just a plain [offensive comment removed]..

          • Robbie

            I can only wonder what your full comment was as part of it was deemed offensive even by the folks running this site! I always found in debates or discussions it’s the guy who either cannot express himself or who has nothing substantive to say who begins swearing and cursing. The real real dumb ones even threaten to beat you up. Such is the nature of free speech for some of you right wing nuts. Anyhow, in future try to think through what your views are and then slowly type them out. Get help from an old grade 3 teacher if you must. It is pretty pathetic if all you can muster are a bunch of swear words.

          • Don Wegrzynowski

            I am simply too stunned by your non-sensical ramblings to say almost anything.

            They say ignorance is bliss, you must be experiencing nirvana…

            i still find it amazing that when Binky and the brain(Bush/Cheney) were starting this tragedy, you said nothing. Supported it even. Now its an outrage?

            You’re so blind in your zealousness you can’t even see your own hypocrisy.

            I hope you wear a bib, you’re drooling.
            Good freaking night.
            Robbie,
            Get the hell out of here before your brain fries from trying to talk sense to these A**holes.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Learn to read. It’s called education. Get some and then you’ll understand. When you become educated, you stop calling people smarter and more informed than you, people that have put their lives on the line repeatedly over 2 decades, have sacrificed as much as 26 lbs. of flesh, muscle and bone for your right not to be spied on by anybody, ignorant and a**hole.

            Where was I? At the time, I was in North Africa on a “project”. At that time I could not comment on this kind of action. I was pissed when I found out about Americans’ phone records being seized without a warrant and thought Cheney was a tyrannical vice president for imposing it. Bush, a much more ethical man than this pResident has shown himself to be, shut Cheney out and demanded these policies be reformed, put it out front of the FISA courts and guaranteed that these would only be used with qualified leads of international terror suspects communicating with US Citizens.

            As an aside, Bush not only shut out Cheney, Bush answered and investigation of an action that started in the White House when Scooter Libby outed a CIA travel agent, even though she’d been outing herself for years. Bush ordered his Staff to cooperate with the investigation and people were prosecuted from it. He also refused to pardon these people when he left office.

            This pResident won’t cop to anything. The White House is a crime family where snitches are dealt with severely and those that hold the company line are promoted, no matter how bad the lie to “We The People” and your people, too.

            As for spying on Americans: this is a different program that, now, no longer deals with qualified leads of terror but acknowledges it covers all electronic information and people like me believe this is likely is an instrument of advantage over and punishment to political adversaries.

            Who’s the ignorant A**hole?

            Can’t understand what you read? Learn to read without the sound of duh oh in that sieve you’ve mistaken for a brain.

        • ENFP

          He’s doing it to protect himself and his family. He does everything his handlers who put him in power tell him to do and it isn’t to protect the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America. It is to destroy it!

    • Libertarian Soldier

      1952 isn’t that way back.

  • Guest

    East Germany had the Stazi’s. The Russians, the NKVD, the KGB, now the FSB. The Romanians, the “Securitate”. America? She has the NSA. No matter what the alphabet letters, the end results are the same. Even more ironic, pathetic, and sad, is how history is forever repeating itself.

  • KG

    Just remember, you ‘law and order’ types wanted all of this surveillance. Now, you can see who’s “sinning” so as to put your G-d’s wrath upon them. Because if someone is actually enjoying their life, instead of walling in self-pity to appease some deity of sheepherders, you can get em.

    It was the executive order signed by Ronald Raygun that created the modern NSA as we know it. And he did it by yous guys favorite form of legislation. Executive order number 12333. So, was it actually the freedom hating Republicans who started this whole thing? Something in Denmark stinks.

    • Charlie

      Here’s your chance to lay on them some “Truth” you claim to have… God’s wrath is falling on America ,,, we were bombed with obomba …
      Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation……………..

      • KG

        Romans 13
        King James Version (KJV)

        13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

        2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

        3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

        4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

        5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

        • Charlie

          Well,,, how about that , typical judeo- christian , Romans 13 does not stop at verse 5,,, it goes on to verse 14… As We have printed before ,One must use The Bible “Equation” for Truth , found at Psalms 119:160,,,to arrive at Truth… It’s called “Harmonization” of Scriptures… Any Commie Parrot can repeat what he has heard from the false prophet preachers… The rest of Romans 13 tells one that he / she is ONLY obligated to obey a Government ,,,that IN Turn is Obedient to The Almighty God… For OT proof , see Exodus 1 , whole chapter, where , Moses’ Mom AND the midwives , Lied to the CEG, corrupt evil government , to save Moses baby boy… AND God blessed Moses and his Mom and the midwives…. NEVER !!! sacrifice “Truth” to Obey ANY CEG!!!………… Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • KG

            There is no “harmonization” among the scriptures except for where you WANT harmony. I thought we were in the New Testament? And what do you mean by “typical judeo- christian”? As far as I know, the Christian cult grew out of Judaism. I still don’t know why no Christians celebrate Jewish holidays. I mean they have no problem syncretizing pagan beliefs of ancient germanic tribes with those of christanity. If we were being ruled by Adolph Hitler, would you still advocate for disobeying the government? How about if you were Jewish? I would like to know.

          • Charlie

            Well,,, first off you have to recognize your””Brainwashing”

            You,,,among many others can NOT define what the 4 types of “””Jews”””are as defined in The Holy Bible …. SO? IF? you can’t define the words you are printing? does that mean you are ignorant of subject matter???

            How does one become a “”Christian”” according to The Holy Bible???

            OK? as for Adolph ,,, what was his racial lineage ??? was he pure German ???……………………………………..

          • KG

            DING DING DING!!! YOU WIN THE KERNEL KLINK KLOSETED NAZI AWARD!!!!
            HERE IS YOU IRON CROSS: +

            Wear it with pride at all of your KKK functions!!!

          • Charlie

            Thanks,,, you don’t know enough about subject matter to even talk about it…. Say hello to Sargent Schultz when you get a chance……………………………

  • ONTIME

    Just UNreality, must stay locked up in a closet and make faces in the mirror….

    • just_reality

      Now that’s quite a clever comment, and you should be very proud of yourself, but I don’t see how that gets us closer to stopping government invasion of privacy.

  • Gary Von Neida

    GO TO THE LIBRARY AND CHECK OUT THE BOOK:”1984″. READ IT AND WEEP

  • me

    Yeah, in 2003 he said the Patriot Act was shoddy and dangerous. The Department of Homeland Security was founded with it. Now President Owebunhole is using it as a weapon against gun owners by them purchasing huge quantities of bullets emptying the store shelves. All that was back then was more of his phoney bologna to convince everyone of what they wanted to hear. Sorry Owebunhole, its getting to be time you are seen thru by everyone.