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War Clouds

June 20, 2012 by  

War Clouds
U.S. NAVY PETTY OFFICER 1ST CLASS CHAD J. MCNEELEY
Earlier this month, U.S. Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta welcomed Israeli President Shimon Peres, left, to the Pentagon.

The clouds of a Mideast war are growing darker by the day.

The United States is using al-Qaida-aligned terrorists to overthrow the Bashar Assad regime just as it did to overthrow Moammar Gadhafi in Libya. Although NATO has been hesitant to provide air support like it did in Libya — despite calls from neocon war lovers like Senators John McCain and Joe Lieberman to let the bombing commence sooner rather than later — the organization is using Turkey’s Military High Command and funds from Saudi Arabia and other Persian Gulf states to arm and train the rebels in the use of anti-tank and anti-aircraft rockets, mortars and heavy machine guns.

Meanwhile, the drumbeat for an attack on Iran grows louder and stronger, despite the fact that no one really believes Iran is on the verge of producing a nuclear weapon. And U.S. troops are being placed strategically in the region to prepare for an attack.

But Russia and China are warning the United States to cease its meddling in the region.

Russia is sending two warships to Syria. A Russian transport carrying attack helicopters has been halted by the British after the ship’s insurer revoked insurance coverage. Syria, Iran, Russia and China are planning joint war games that will involve almost 100,000 troops, 400 aircraft and 1,000 tanks — and a fleet of warships from Russia and China that includes Russian nuclear attack submarines.

The American Free Press reports that the Bilderberg group “emerged from their annual meeting determined to force a war in the Middle East.” Their puppet, President Barack Obama, has decided he can start wars whenever he chooses. That time may be soon.

“We can get Israel to attack Iran because we Americans throw so much money at them,” Bilderberger and former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger told his Bilderberg brethren, according to an AFP report. “Israel has a strong army, loves to use it and knows American troops will join them immediately.”

And that will further advance the group’s goal, according to Carl Bildt, Sweden’s minister of foreign affairs. “Your American ‘nationalists’ will be pleading for a global agency that can impose economic orders on any country on Earth, force them to raise taxes, increase aid to other states, or whatever,” he said, according to AFP.

Besides, there’s nothing like a good shootin’ war to up a President’s re-election prospects — especially early in the game before fatigue for the latest “adventure” sets in.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • GALT

    Well, look on the bright side…….another war will postpone the FEMA internment plans for a bit longer, plus Congress will be able to “agree” on something……..

    Meanwhile, for those seeking restoration of the “real Constitution” the battle is HERE;

    http://www.coppermoonshinestills.com/id53.html

  • Rasta

    Obama can start wars like the Iraq war and the Afganistan war. Oh wait those wars were started by prvious administrations.

    • Steve E

      If Obama can start wars like the Iraq war and the Afganistan war, he would have to get Congressional approval as Bush did. Obama’s wars were not approved by congress like the Afgan and Iraqi wars were.

      • Rasta

        Who cares who approved them. They have been wasteful of lives and money and have helped baloon the deficit.

      • Steve E

        Rasta, your buddy Obama doesn’t care one bit about the ballooning deficit.

      • Flashy

        just to be clear..Iraq was Congressional approval to enforce a UN Resolution…it was not a declaration of war. There is no Congressional approval or resolution of the Afghan situation (the resolution Bush ll/Cheney used was the resolution to go after bin Laden). War has been authorized by Congress only five times against something like 10 nations in this nation’s history. Of the five wars, we were attacked in four of them prior to war being declared.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Here’s what Ron Paul says about it on his site:

        The United States invaded Iraq under false pretenses without a constitutionally-required declaration of war. Our Founders understood that how we go to war is as important as when we go to war, which is why they vested the power to declare war in the Legislative Branch. The resolution passed in Congress authorizing the president to use force in Iraq
        said nothing about the U.S. Constitution, but it mentioned the United Nations a dozen times. The United States should never go to war to enforce UN resolutions!

  • Warrior

    Today is the start of summer, would this indicate the end of the arab “spring”? What comes next?

    • Sirian

      Standby Warrior, the arab spring may be over but with the Muslim Brotherhood supposedly now in power, that will initiate a civil war by winter more than likely. They have been mislead so long, basically, they know not what they do. Sound applicable? Shoot, Mubarak is more or less dead, then what and who will they have to blame? Typical – Israel and the U.S. Even so, once the MB sets it’s new rules, which won’t go over all that well I’m sure, the atmosphere over there is going to get very bloody. They may have thought Mubarak set to many limits, HA, they haven’t seen anything yet. You talk about ridiculous, check this out. . .
      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/egyptian-islamist-group-issues-dire-facebook-warning-eating-tomatoes-is-forbidden-because-they-are-christian/

      • Diana

        We can ALMOST hear the TRUMPET CALL!!”! I pray that you are READY! I would not want to be LEFT BEHIND!!!

  • Karolyn

    At this point, with most people being war-weary, how could that boost the President’s prospects?

    • Steve E

      That is what I was thinking too.

    • Whodere

      It won’t, but the stage has to be set in order to blame somebody for a war(s) that the hidden ones’ want in effect.. Just reading this article “The United States is using al-Qaida-aligned terrorists to overthrow the Bashar Assad regime just as it did to overthrow Moammar Gadhafi in Libya.” tells me that these wars are all staged (as when enemies can become friends and friends can become enemies)..Their real, don’t get me wrong – those in charge have always accepted fatalities in stride (collateral damage I think they call it) it’s that their being carried out for the larger picture (NWO). That the blame will be attributed to Obama is inconsequential, they are willing to blame anyone to achieve their goal.. It’s just, today’s menu special is the “N” in the white house. They absolutely know that another conflict (war?) will enrage the American voter so much that the welfare and prominent minority vote combined will be a spit in the bucket beside the rest of the voters.. nothing close in this race, so.. Get it going say’s the experts, and within two months the Nation’s voters will do a, “Flip-Flop”.. (more than enough time to win the big kahuna) that is, if their champion refrains from jeopardizing their end result by continuing to stick his foot in his mouth. I can see the memo now, ‘next time screen for blatant stupidity’.. It will be at that time when we breathe a sigh of relief that the nations boogie man is no longer in office but we’ll be wondering, “Now what kind of disappointments are we gonna have to endure with this rodeo clown?”.. Oh, and stop beating your head against the wall trying to make sense as to why the GOP chose a Mormon to lead the country.. It’s really simple.. to give everybody the realization that the hidden has complete control of your choices.

    • Louis

      National Emergency, Executive Order, suspension of elections and habeas corpus……….the dominoes are already lined up

  • eddie47d

    The bigger issue is not even Syria but Russia flexing it’s muscle and siding with Assad. That’s a big poke in the eye against us and to see who will blink first.I’m not sure what China would gain in cozying up to Syria although they have been chummy with Iran. With these war games coming up Assad will certainly bolster his arms supplies and entrench his will to hang on. That is not good news for the rebels since they are already being decimated (at least the civilian population whom they depend on to harbor them). I look at Russia as the bigger troublemaker in the region and Assad will welcome any friend he can get. That brings us to the Israeli issue and how they fit into this power grabbing and this newest Mideast tension. Their willingness to attack Iran on their own would surely drag us into that conflict which will bring Russia and China in on the side of Iran. I never liked the US poking at Iran for that created another false flag situation.All in the defense of Israel of coarse. I don’t like the Right (Republicans) saying that Obama is not a friend of Israel and attempting to use that politically against him. That is so false considering the Iran situation and Israel has no love for Assad who they and Obama would like to see gone. This is an opportunity for true Libertarians to stand their their ground and oppose any action in the Middle East . That may not be an easy decision and the stakes are high but do we want to continue down the same old path with another war.

  • Flashy

    let me see if I have this correct. Syria’s Assad has enjoyed an unfettered harsh dictatorship as the ME was controlled by despotic regimes throughout. Libya was financing terrorists, Assad finances Hamas and Hezbollah, Tunisia was a well known safe harbor for those on the run, Iran was scoffing at the meager sanctions imposed by the Bush II regime and headed towards a nuclear option as they trained engineers and scientists, imported high tech’d materials, announced it was involved in “civilian non military’ research…yet refuses to this day to allow inspections of the facilities. We have a recognition that the internet is changing the world, especially in regimes which were up to now able to control information and prevent communication of ideas and concepts. It is not difficult to envision regime change without support…and our policy is to get involved as to have a post revolution voice at the table and act, rather than react to whatever emerges.

    So….the premise would be that those dictatorships financing and giving safe harbor to terrorists, those who refuse to allow inspections (even the US allows inspections) … if given free rein, we’d be safer (mind…our oil addiction as well as the addiction for all industrial countries, many of whom we rely on for trade is fed from the oil garnered from the region). no sane rational person could come to such a conclusion.

    let’s use as examples Syria and iran.

    Iran first up since the author is stating we are beating the war drums and headed for war. Despite the fact that the Bush II/Cheney wars have been instrumental in the current deficit spending fiasco. OK…taking direct military intervention off the table…what are the options?

    Uh huh. That would be correct. the options are exactly the options pursued by this administration. Tighten to the point of strangulation economic embargoes. Take out the scientists and engineers. Attack the computer systems with viruses and worms, at times causing computer malfunctions which destroys valuable needed equipment. And make darned certain the message is given…develop and you’ll be taken out (few dictatorships desire to commit suicide)

    What other options are there?

    Syria. Assad is headed out. One way or another. Syria is the conduit for Iranian funds to Hamas and Hezbollah. Syria allows safe harbor to those not exactly our friends. With the Arab Spring initiating the revolt…what should we do?

    Let some group take power without being beholden to us? Not have any influence in the outcome of what is decided when it is to be decided? Walk away from our image of defending human rights, freedom, and self determination? Act alone without allies standing there sharing the burden of cost and exposure?

    What options are there?

    The article takes great length in criticizing…and offers no alternatives. Why? because there are no other alternatives which are better.

    • scott

      Continue drinking the Koolaid Flashy!

    • C.Davis

      It can be inferred from the premises you cite that you are hopelessly addicted to the lame stream garbage being vomited out through every available co-opted media outlet, and that you have not attained a level of maturity that will allow you to admit to yourself that these outlets are extant solely for the purpose of lying to you and anyone else hapless enough to listen.

      Your horizons would be incalculably broadened if you were to diligently seek out the voices of the Syrian, Lybian, (fill in next applicable country HERE) people and listen to what they have to say about what THEIR government has and is accomplishing for them, rather than what the well documented thieving banksters tell you about the whole situation.

      Your compliance with their propaganda paradigm simply plays into their false narrative, or is that your intention in posting in the first place?

    • Steve E

      Flash, I see you still can’t give up your ancient history of Bush again so as not to give Obama the blame.

      • Flashy

        Alas…y’all cannot come up with differing options to the situations in Syria and Iran. You feel free to criticize…but have no other course of action that would have been a viable, safer policy for US interests.

        i merely detailed out the policies, and opined an opinion why we should be involved in Syria. y’all who criticize, can’t come up with different options. It should be easy if you criticize…for that means you support other options which could have been taken.

        OK…what would those options be?

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Flashy,

      You write: “The article takes great length in criticizing…and offers no alternatives. Why? because there are no other alternatives which are better.” I have written about an option before, as you are no doubt aware. There is one “option” that would solve it: Have foreign powers (specifically the U.S.) cease its meddling in the region. As the Kissinger quote shows, the wars and rumors of wars are designed to advance the Bilderberg agenda.

      The remainder of your nonsensical post is derived from a false paradigm: that the U.S. and Israel are in immediate danger from a nuclear Iran, or the the U.S. should intervene in Syria because Assad is attacking his people. Based on past experience, I don’t expect you to seek to advance your knowledge as you are content to shill for the regime. But for the benefit of others I provide refutations of this fallacy here http://personalliberty.com/2012/05/14/the-lies-youre-told/ here http://personalliberty.com/2012/02/27/on-iran-government-and-doublethink/ and here http://personalliberty.com/2012/04/25/american-terrorism/.

      In short, there is no evidence that Iran has made a decision to make a nuclear weapon. As signatories of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, their nuclear facilities are regularly inspected and nuclear material accounted for (unlike Israel’s which has not signed the treaty). Their one weapon would be dwarfed by the hundreds Israel already possesses. They have no delivery system with which to reach the U.S. The U.S. has committed an act of war on Iran by imposing sanctions (effectively a blockade) and by sending agent provocateurs to blow up things and kill people. The U.S. and Israel have also attacked Iran’s computer infrastructure. http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-israel-developed-computer-virus-to-slow-iranian-nuclear-efforts-officials-say/2012/06/19/gJQA6xBPoV_print.html

      In Syria, Assad’s government is being attacked by U.S.- and NATO-backed al-Qaida operatives. The same thing happened in Libya. These aren’t spontaneous uprisings but U.S.-backed coups. Arab Spring is a hoax.

      Iran and Syria aren’t starting a war. The U.S. is casus belli.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      P.S. And enough of your promotion of a false left/right paradigm and blame on the Bush regime. We have been in a state of perpetual and orchestrated war since Aug. 2, 1990.

      • Flashy

        Mr. Livingston:

        Once Iran allows UN Inspection teams into its facilities, to date they have refused, then I will harbor a belief that all is well in that arena. If you desire to believe Iranian statements that we should trust them, then such is your policy advocating appeasement at all costs.

        I myself believe that an Iran having nukes is not a good thing for our position in the ME and the oil addiction we rely on the fix for. I would also point out that my concern is not narrowly focused upon the protection of one nation state (Israel). You inserted Israel, I did not. I am somewhat concerned with the oil resources we have to protect and an Iran with a nuke ain’t gonna make me feel all warm and fuzzy.

        I refer you not to a site in which i control content, but to an independent source. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran

        Our activities have, as you also cited, included economic and computer attacks. you have issue with that. I don’t. It is forcing Iran to open the military facilities for UN inspection. I believe a nuke armed Iran poses a threat to the continuing supply of oil to the West (US included) and that a nuke armed iran poses no threat to our national security…i.e. oil.

        You appear to believe the Iranian claims and are satisfied the military facilities need not be inspected and even if Iran had a nuke, it would have no effect on ME relations with the West and Iranian influence would not be intensified.

        As to Syria..your contention is we should leave the region alone to settle out on their own. you appear to be satisfied that any end result be accomplished without the US having any say in the end result.

        I believe that with the advent of the Arab Spring, if we can act in any way not placing US lives in danger, and grab a seat at the table when things settle out and Assad is gone…I’d rather have a seat at the table than a seat in another room where i have no say in the matter. The fact that Hamas and Hezbollah are crippled both financially as well as militarily is a side benefit..a significant one.

        I believe the policies we are currently pursuing deal with strengthening our national security. You appear to believe appeasement and hands off accomplishes no harm to our security. it is plain we differ.

        As to your comments that you accuse me as being a “shill”…i have written of several areas which i differ from this administration. I cannot recall any you have written in favor of any policy…in fact, I seem to recall several stretches to be in opposition or critical. Defining Pres. Obama as not being a Christian because he fails to attend church on a weekly basis is but one. I ask for your definition of a “shill”…let us see to whom it applies.

        Finally, your “P.S. And enough of your promotion of a false left/right paradigm and blame on the Bush regime. We have been in a state of perpetual and orchestrated war since Aug. 2, 1990.”

        Fact is fact…the Bush ll/ Cheney regime beats all others as the worst this nation has suffered. We will be decades recovering from that fiasco. I’ve said nothing today of any “left/right” paradigm. In the past, it is the policies of the Far Right, TP, American Taliban which i have strenuously objected to. On rightful and sane reasons and basis. When that ideological extreme begins to come to moderation instead of constant extremist positions, most likely there will be positions which i would take in support.

        your last comment “We have been in a state of perpetual and orchestrated war since Aug. 2, 1990.” i would ask if there was a typo and you meant 1980 instead. For that was when War against the Middle Class and America was begun in earnest ….

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear Flashy,

          You write: “Once Iran allows UN Inspection teams into its facilities, to date they have refused, then I will harbor a belief that all is well in that arena. If you desire to believe Iranian statements that we should trust them, then such is your policy advocating appeasement at all costs.” They are allowed. In fact, one from South Korea died in a car crash in May near a nuclear facility he was inspecting. The UN has not said Iran is not in compliance even though the IAEA is headed by an American puppet. http://www.crescenticit.com/2011/11/lies-and-innuendos-fill-iaea-report-on-iran-3026-articles.html

          You write: “I believe a nuke armed Iran poses a threat to the continuing supply of oil to the West (US included) and that a nuke armed iran poses no threat to our national security…i.e. oil.” That’s illogical. What would they do with it if they didn’t sell it to the West?

          You write: “You appear to believe the Iranian claims and are satisfied the military facilities need not be inspected and even if Iran had a nuke, it would have no effect on ME relations with the West and Iranian influence would not be intensified.” How is a nuclear armed Iran more dangerous than a nuclear armed Pakistan, India, North Korea, Soviet Union, China? Why have we not attacked them or advocated such? Rather, with the exception of NK, we trade with them and/or provide them with money and arms.

          You write: “Our activities have, as you also cited, included economic and computer attacks. you have issue with that.” So you are content with American imperialism and perpetual war, yet you decry Bush’s debt?

          You write: “I believe that with the advent of the Arab Spring, if we can act in any way not placing US lives in danger, and grab a seat at the table when things settle out and Assad is gone…” So you are content with overthrowing the legitimate leaders of other countries? Arab Spring in Egypt, Libya and Syria are U.S. instigated coups against legitimate leaders. When will we oust the leaders of China or NK, who are doing far more to repress their citizens than Assad?

          You write: “I cannot recall any you have written in favor of any policy…in fact, I seem to recall several stretches to be in opposition or critical.” I do not understand what you are saying.

          You write: “Defining Pres. Obama as not being a Christian because he fails to attend church on a weekly basis is but one. I ask for your definition of a “shill”…let us see to whom it applies.” You are aware you are taking this statement out of context. This is but one piece of evidence that I offered that Obama is not a Christian. This is a typical tactic of yours.

          You write: “Fact is fact…the Bush ll/ Cheney regime beats all others as the worst this nation has suffered. We will be decades recovering from that fiasco. I’ve said nothing today of any “left/right” paradigm. In the past, it is the policies of the Far Right, TP, American Taliban which i have strenuously objected to. On rightful and sane reasons and basis. When that ideological extreme begins to come to moderation instead of constant extremist positions, most likely there will be positions which i would take in support.” Again with the false paradigm and affiliated ad hominems? You cannot help yourself, can you? Aside from taxes, what policy differences are there between Bush and Obama? Bailouts? No. Patriot Act? No. Overregulation? No. Cozy with Saudi Arabia? No. Wars? No. Guantanamo? No. No Child Left Behind? No. Money to favored industries? No.

          You write: ““We have been in a state of perpetual and orchestrated war since Aug. 2, 1990.” i would ask if there was a typo and you meant 1980 instead. For that was when War against the Middle Class and America was begun in earnest ….” No typo. The current shooting war began in 1990, as I wrote. The war on the middle class began in 1913. But you don’t understand that yet.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Flashy

        Mr. Livingston…i will respond using short lead ins from your previous post. keep the thread short.

        You=> They are allowed. In fact, one from South Korea died in a car crash in May near a nuclear facility he was inspecting. The UN has not said Iran is not in compliance even though the IAEA is headed by an American puppet. http://www.crescenticit.com/2011/11/lies-and-innuendos-fill-iaea-report-on-iran-3026-articles.html
        The UN has stated it cannot say one way or the other unless and until inspection teams are allowed in to the military research facility. This administration has eased the demands of Bush ll/Cheney and Iran remains steadfast against allowing inspection.. The basis to ease the sanctions are detailed as … “The UN Security Council has demanded that Iran suspend its nuclear enrichment activities in multiple resolutions.[341][342] The United States has said the “central bargain of the NPT is that if non-nuclear-weapon states renounce the pursuit of nuclear weapons, and comply fully with this commitment, they may gain assistance under Article IV of the Treaty to develop peaceful nuclear programs”"
        Yet, you are for appeasement and would waive even this minor demand. As Reagan stated, Trust but verify.
        ============

        You (Flashy) write: “I believe a nuke armed Iran poses a threat to the continuing supply of oil to the West (US included) and that a nuke armed iran poses no threat to our national security…i.e. oil.” That’s illogical. What would they do with it if they didn’t sell it to the West?
        ——–
        Mr. Livingston, now I know you’re jivin’ me. Are you seriously stating that a nuke armed Iran would not have influence over oil and pricing, or even foreign policy considerations made by neighboring states? Are you suggesting that a nuke armed Iran versus a conventional armed Iran would have no impact or increase any security risks in our oil supplies?
        ======
        You (Flashy) write: “You appear to believe the Iranian claims and are satisfied the military facilities need not be inspected and even if Iran had a nuke, it would have no effect on ME relations with the West and Iranian influence would not be intensified.” How is a nuclear armed Iran more dangerous than a nuclear armed Pakistan, India, North Korea, Soviet Union, China? Why have we not attacked them or advocated such? Rather, with the exception of NK, we trade with them and/or provide them with money and arms.
        ————————
        Several differences. One I would cite is the basic rule of real estate. location, location, location. A second would be those nations have nukes already. Are you suggesting the world is no worse off with those countries having nukes? So one more won’t matter? Even with the evidence of Pakistani instability? So Iranian nukes aren’t a bad thing?
        ======
        You (Flashy) write: “Our activities have, as you also cited, included economic and computer attacks. you have issue with that.” So you are content with American imperialism and perpetual war, yet you decry Bush’s debt?
        ———–
        I believe in American Influence rather than American Imperilism. Undeniably the world is becoming homogenized into a single world culture. As technology grows, so grows the bonds of a world society. It is as useful to resist or deny as fighting the tide. I would prefer my grandkids grow up in an American-styled culture, not one dominant culture of another nation. Imperialism by a nation-state in the modern day world is nigh impossible. However, corporate imperialism is coming back in vogue. I suggest reading a newly published book..The Fish That Ate the Whale, America’s Banana King. Then consider Citizens United as well as the GOP attacks this election year have 27 billionaires putting up the majority of the money. Reflect on that …
        Perpetual War? Mr. Livingston, whether you care to admit it or not, nation-states are always in perpetual war. It’s real politik. It’s called ‘screw your buddy”. However you want to put it. It’s when blood is shed that neophytes think war has begun. It’s not. It has only shifted around to a different TYPE of war ..it’s foreign policy at the point of a gun. I know of no American deaths in any of the events of the Arab Spring.
        =====================

        You (Flashy) write: “I believe that with the advent of the Arab Spring, if we can act in any way not placing US lives in danger, and grab a seat at the table when things settle out and Assad is gone…” So you are content with overthrowing the legitimate leaders of other countries? Arab Spring in Egypt, Libya and Syria are U.S. instigated coups against legitimate leaders. When will we oust the leaders of China or NK, who are doing far more to repress their citizens than Assad?
        ——-
        Mr. Livingston…certainly you are not as naive as you are making out to be in this thread. i would refer you to Cuba, the USSR transitional period, Chavez in Venezuela, and the list can go on and on. i would proffer, it’s not only we who overthrow leaders when regimes become unstable. You cite Mubarek, Quaddaffi, Assad as “legitimate”… I proffer that it was not the governments that were overthrown more than the dictators running the governments that were ousted. I would state we went to great lengths to overthrow the government of the USSR and we are attempting with Cuba. But the examples you cite are ousting despotic leaders of government, not the government.
        ===========

        You (Flashy) write: “I cannot recall any you have written in favor of any policy…in fact, I seem to recall several stretches to be in opposition or critical.” I do not understand what you are saying.
        ——— Mr. Livingston…I cannot recall one article or statement written by you supporting any policy of this administration. So what is the definition of a ‘shill” ?
        ================
        You write: “Defining Pres. Obama as not being a Christian because he fails to attend church on a weekly basis is but one. I ask for your definition of a “shill”…let us see to whom it applies.” You are aware you are taking this statement out of context. This is but one piece of evidence that I offered that Obama is not a Christian. This is a typical tactic of yours.
        ——
        Ah ah ah Mr. Livingston. The question was asked of you directly…and you cited but one reason …he did not attend Church regularly. And upon a request for clarification if that is what knocks out being a Christian, you stated “yes”. you did not cite other areas nor did you qualify it by stating “among other things”.

        May i return the compliment of typical tactic verbage.
        =============
        You write: “Fact is fact…the Bush ll/ Cheney regime beats all others as the worst this nation has suffered. We will be decades recovering from that fiasco. I’ve said nothing today of any “left/right” paradigm. In the past, it is the policies of the Far Right, TP, American Taliban which i have strenuously objected to. On rightful and sane reasons and basis. When that ideological extreme begins to come to moderation instead of constant extremist positions, most likely there will be positions which i would take in support.” Again with the false paradigm and affiliated ad hominems? You cannot help yourself, can you? Aside from taxes, what policy differences are there between Bush and Obama? Bailouts? No. Patriot Act? No. Overregulation? No. Cozy with Saudi Arabia? No. Wars? No. Guantanamo? No. No Child Left Behind? No. Money to favored industries? No.
        ———
        Bailouts. Huge differences. Patriot Act. huge difference (contrary to the spiel oft time falsely cited, Pres. Obama did not reauthorize the Patriot Act. He signed a renewal of one part of the unPatriotic Act…the part dealing with monitoring foreign operatives. ) Overregulation? huge difference. Cozy with the Saudi’s? Only because one has to be. Note the increase of domestic oil production and the push towards non-oil resources. I would not call that friendly to Saudi interests. Wars? huge difference. Guantanamo? Errrr…recall who screamed when the proposal was made to shut it down and shift the prisoners to US Super max prisons and hold trial here. NCLB? Has Congress sent anything up for signature? C’mon bob…you can do better than that one. Money to favored industries/ Huge difference.
        =================
        You write: ““We have been in a state of perpetual and orchestrated war since Aug. 2, 1990.” i would ask if there was a typo and you meant 1980 instead. For that was when War against the Middle Class and America was begun in earnest ….” No typo. The current shooting war began in 1990, as I wrote. The war on the middle class began in 1913. But you don’t understand that yet.
        —–
        Yep..that’s why we had the largest growth of the Middle Class both in numbers and earnings during the 20th Century up to 1981. Because it was being warred against from 1913-1981. uh huh …. But you never will admit that.

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear Flashy,

          I have no intention of plowing this ground again with you. My articles are sourced and my argument sound. You bring only conjecture, misdirection and talking points. I will, however, re-address the Christianity issue for the benefit of any readers who may be interested.

          As I recall, you challenged my assertion that Obama is not a Christian. I told you it was obvious because Obama has not attended church since he’s been in D.C. (whether he was attending a Christian church in Chicago is another discussion for another time). A Christian would be attending church regularly, as commanded in Hebrews 10.

          “23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; 24 and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, 25 not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.” (NASB)

          Best wishes,
          Bob

    • Brian W

      “. . . our image of defending human rights, freedom, and self determination”? Excuse me, but can you name an instance of any of those in the past 50 years? How about, “. . . our image of subverting democratic regimes across the globe through Al Qaeda/CIA infiltration or carpet-bombing and drone terrorism so as to secure control over the world’s oil resources for the benefit of the American cartels”?

  • dunce

    The muslims regard us as useful idiots, after we help them overthrow one of their murdering dictators, they will begin targeting our troops, condemning Israel, and burning our flag. The only muslims that have shown any gratitude are the Kurds. That is because they are despised minorities in Iraq, Iran, Turkey, and Syria that have no country of their own. It seems we are the only friend they have in the world. If by some grand scheme they could be given a territory much as Israel was formed by granting the a small part of those other nations, we would have merely created a united enemy because their religion prescribes hatred and death to Christians and Jews.

    • Flashy

      And what did we do with France in the late 18th and early 19th century after they helped in kicking out the British?

      it’s called realpolitick and an exercise of sovereignty

  • factnotrhetoric

    Really good article Bob. This puts the blame, for the endless wars that both Russia and China are trying to prevent, directly on the shoulders of the Bilderbergs where it belongs.

    The Bilderbergs are foreign billionaires dedicated to overthrowing the US Government through Hyperinflation and Endless Wars Deficit Spending. They have, and want to keep, a Bilderberg Puppet Martial Law Dictator in the US.

    Obama, SoS Clinton, the Russians and the Chinese, all conspired with the Bilderbergs in Chantilly, VA in 2008. (see the documentary “Obama Deception” on Youtube) and look at the list of other Bilderberg Attendees at the official Bilderberg Web Site:
    http://bilderbergmeetings.org/meeting_2008.html

    Romney conspired with the Chinese, the Russians and the Bilderbergs in Chantilly, VA during the Bilderberg May 31 – June 3 Meeting.
    http://bilderbergmeetings.org/meeting_2012.html
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-news-blog/2012/jun/05/bilderberg-2012-chantilly-occupy

    So Bilderberg does not care which Bilderberg Puppet Dictator, Romney or Obama, wins the 2012 elections.

    Romney and Obama are both owned by the Bilderbergs.

  • http://knightspyder.wordpress.com cedarridgefarmsinc

    I just read in a report today where Iran said they wanted to talk about their Nuclear operations and they are still talking about war, Why? I have not seen someone from Iran knocking on my door say they want to attack us. I feel that the United States should leave them alone, we are having problems right here at home and the presidents efforts should be on the people that put him in office to start with. Who did he give the wealth too? Was it you? Nobody I know has received anything from Obama since he was elected.
    Black Box Voting is what we’re going to get this fall! Bev Harris wrote a book called Black Box Voting and she is a grandmother at 52 years old. What she learned was that modern-day voting systems are run by private for-profit corporations, they rely on a few cronies for oversight, using a certification system so fundamentally flawed that it allows machines to miscount and lose votes, with hidden back doors that enable “end runs” arount the voting system. Find out why your vote might not count – and what to do about it!

  • Dad

    This is nothing more than tabloid stuff.

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Dad,

      I have written about you.

      http://personalliberty.com/2012/05/14/the-lies-youre-told/

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Bimbam

        I like that column that I copied it. Only thing is you misspelled a word, “CDs and bank accounts do not preserve you savings,…”

        I think you meant “your” savings. Proof that I read it. (no pun intended).

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Interesting how least little thing amuses you, Dingbat…sorry, i mean…Boobman!

      • Bimbam

        You amuse me too, you, you, little thing you!

  • chuckb

    between barry and hillary, they are digging a hole for the u.s. their propagation of the muslim brotherhood in libya, egypt and throughout the arab world is going to ignite total world war 3 in the middle east. two inept people sitting at the reigns of our government and deciding our destiny. neither one of them have any experience with military matters, neither one has ever fired a gun or wore the uniform, they have both denounced the united states at differ times. they both hate our military, they believe in the united states as a socialist nation not a republic. at the moment we are standing on the edge of a cliff, half the people in this country are wiling to vote for such people, hoping in the most part for a false security of free everything. it’s like lucky loan, when they give you the money that’s great, when it comes time to pay it back, then that’s oppression, right wing tyranny.
    look at europe, we are fast closing in on them, it may hit before you know it..

  • Dave

    I just hope Americans are smart enough to enough already! Time to clean out the White House and not by putting in another elite do fool you again. The DNC and GOP are all the same and work for the Bilderburg Group and other elite groups the run the world. The value of war is the debt it creates and you the bill. This one could go global and the only people who will be safe are the criminals who used your money to build big underground bunkers. So just say no!!!!! We are all being played like pawns.

  • http://facebook David Hendrick Behrens

    Obama would love Israel to start a War with Iran, then join in, so Americans would be to worried about Russia and China joining in against America and a Nuclear War starting and would rush to support and vote for Obama, being a War President or he could conveniently cancel the election, for National Security reasons.

  • chuckb

    remember roosevelt, remember pearl harbor- the country was in a deep depression, un-employment approximately twenty percent, elected for an unprecedented third term.
    remember, don’t change horses in the middle of the stream!

    • michaeljbeglinjr

      If you are calling Obama the horse, I would gladly ride a donkey across the stream instead of a horse.

      • chuckb

        do not change horses in the middle of the stream was the democratic battle cry in ww2 to re=elect roosevelt, no doubt the bolshviks would love to have barry in this same situation and they would use this term.

  • 45caliber

    Just a few thoughts.

    The military, by and large, doesn’t support Oblama. Therefore, he can’t depend upon them to quell any problems here in the US.

    He has a force here. Perhaps not a large one – at least not as large as the Army – so he doesn’t want to risk them fighting the Army.

    So … he needs a way to keep the real Army out of the way (and out of the US) and to take more of them from the US before he can attempt any action that might not be favored by most of the citizens of the US.

    He has some dim prospects of winning the election this fall. He MIGHT win … or he might not. Things aren’t looking that good, even with the new illegal voters and with control of many of the voting computers. So he needs some way to retain control if the voters don’t do as he wants.

    Now … how many of those points could a good war solve? Perhaps a war that begins in Syria but extends to Iran if/when Iran moves to support Syria? And if the Russians and China get involved, perhaps this could help advance the One Worlders as well ……..

  • Bimbam

    Sometimes I gotta wonder about Bob. He writes “despite the fact that no one really believes Iran is on the verge of producing a nuclear weapon.”

    We don’t need facts with liars!

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Islam does not pose a threat to West. It is the contrary that is correct. Islamic terrorist organizations are hotbeds of impostors in service of the West.

    It is well known that there are various dubious relationships that exist between Islamic radicals and Western powers. The truth is far more sinister.

    Islamic terrorists are connected with Western power through an intricate network of secret societies.

    While outwardly claiming to adhere to disparate religions, the Islamic terrorists follow a heretical version of the faith, ultimately rooted, like their counterparts in the West, in the same occult doctrine, the worship of Lucifer, and the belief in the use of religion as a disguise to deceive the masses.

    Collectively, this web is headed by a nefarious cabal commonly identified as the “Illuminati”. The Illuminati was the name of a secret society, founded by Adam Weishaupt, in Germany, in 1776, with the goal of seeking world domination through subversive means.

    It’s existence is one of the few instances in history in which historians are willing to recognize the existence of the diabolical conspiracy, because the evidence is undeniable. However, in 1784, the order was exposed, and forced to disband.

    Scholars, therefore, have used the fact of the suppression of the order as justification to suppose that no conspiracy continues to exist into our time. Nevertheless, Weishaupt himself boasted, “I have considered every thing, and so prepared it, that if the Order should this day go to ruin, I shall in a year re-establish it more brilliant that ever.”

    The “Illuminati”, really, is merely a convenient term to refer to those individuals and secret organizations who continue to pursue the same goals in our time. In actuality, the order’s existence began long before the eighteenth century. The truth is it began in Babylon, in the sixth century BC, with the advent of the Jewish heresy of the Kabbalah.

    According to their own accounts though, the Illuminati represent the descendants of the Fallen Angels who inhabited the lost continent of Atlantis. These Fallen Angels interbred with humans, to whom they taught the Ancient Wisdom.

    Therefore, throughout the centuries, the Illuminati have been carefully intermarrying with each other, to preserve their “sacred” bloodline, handing on their esoteric knowledge from generation to generation. For this reason, they also refer to themselves as “the Family”.

    Today, fronted by the powerful banking dynasties of the world, the Illuminati exercise supremacy over the world’s governments, as well as their economies, and even their cultures.

    Ultimately, the Illuminati are an international network, existing in a parallel world, straddled between fronts of legitimacy, and activities on the black market and in the underground.

    Their method of conquest is to wholly demoralize the societies of the world, wrecking their very fabric, by promoting every vice, including sexual depravity, greed and war.

    By enslaving the nations of the world through colossal debt, they ensure subservience, and guarantee the slow transfer of their sovereignty to global government.

    By encouraging stock market speculation they siphon off the wealth of the ignorant masses.

    In the end, by creating a global economic cataclysm of untold magnitude, they intend to demonstrate to humanity their own ineptitude, and offer their reign as salvation, by implementing a global fascist state, to be governed by their expected messiah.

    Deprived of any moral restraint, they fund their covert activities by dominating the world of illegal arms dealing, narcotics trafficking, and prostitution.

    Their activities are intertwined with those of the world’s leading intelligence services, including the CIA, Mossad, and Britain’s M16, as well as international crime syndicates, like the Mafia and the Asian Triads, and the Yakuza of Japan.

    Adopting any disguise to suit their collective objectives, they work hand in hand with the Freemasons and numerous other secret societies, and are responsible for the emergence of numerous radical cults, from the Hare Krishna’s to the Moonies, of Christian and and most importantly, Muslim Fundamentalism.

    By wielding inordinate financial and political power, the plan of the Illuminati is to foment a global war, or World War III, from which will emerge, out of the ashes of the expired civilizations of our time, like a phoenix from the fire, a New World Order.

    The coming confrontation is being presented as a Clash of Civilizations, between the Liberal Democratic West and Islamic fundamentalism.

    Read the rest here: http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/content/clash-civilizations

  • michaeljbeglinjr

    How long until American citizens get tired of our children dying for politics? I wonder if a General or four won’t get together and start talking about their troops being re-deployed too much. Our Armed Forces may get sick of constantly fighting for nothing. They are now “allies” with the group they were deployed to kill. Obama’s illegal wars (not stopped by a spineless and corrupt Congress) show no signs of stopping soon. Neither do the assaults on our Rights. Obama is too cozy with the U.N. He and Hillary are working now to give the U.N. authority over our 2nd Amendment.

  • http://www.westcoastladybugs.com RUSS SMITH

    Hi!, Patrons Of Bob Livingston Et Al:

    Romans 3:23…For “ALL” have sinned and come short of the glory of God! Well, doesn’t that mean thee & me; Obama & Mitt Etc.? Did we expect that they would be the only ones that could possibly qualify for not falling short of the glory of GOD or what else? By the way people what is this “glory of God” by which we each fall so short; does anyone understand it well enough to address what it means or do we just place it in our minds and on our tongue tips from reading it in Romans? Nobody has ever explained this cocept to me in full and shouldn’t we wonder if anyone ever will? After all Thomas Edison has explained that “not one person on this planet knows even 1 millionth of 1% abou anything. Could this concept be any different or do we just automatically understand it subliminally without a full intelligent and satisfactory grasp of its’ true insights?

    RUSS SMITH, CALIFORNIA
    resmith@wcisp.com

  • gangbuster@2012

    I wouldn’t be surprised at anything obambo will do,And that goes for the CIA,and the FBI as well.After years,it finally becomes known,that the CIA,FBI,the Mafia and up to, and including LBJ all had their hands in killing President Kennedy!!!! Of course they weren’t going to tell the truth about it.until everyone involved was dead!!!!I often wondered what the people would’ve done had they known what we,today now know!!!!!!When a Goverment starts doing this kind of crap,its time to give it a major over haul!!!!

    • http://gravatar.com/cedarridgefarmsinc cedarridgefarmsinc

      The American peoples worst enemy is the foreign bankers. They control the military, money, food, electric or anything that makes our lives good, but they are not good people they want most people of the world dead and soon too! The Rockefellers and Rothchilds are they main one’s but who know’s all their daughters husbands names, there is our problem in finding these rats and doing away with them. While we get sick and die from the poisons they put in our water and food they eat organic food where their seeds have not been geneticly altered and they live longer. Research while you can because the rich of the world that gave us the internet are trying to shut it down as I write! We need these globlists so we can tar and feather them while we can get our hands on them.

  • middlemanr@2012

    Obamba and the Clintons Are Alike,I didn’t vote for slick willie,and I sure the hell won’t vote for Hillary !!!!

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