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Wag The Ayatollah

February 15, 2012 by  

Wag The Ayatollah

“Why [wage war against] Albania?”
“Why not?”
–From the movie “Wag The Dog”

The power brokers who dictate our future and destroy the freedoms they claim to protect are hell-bent on engaging America in another war. The tom-toms that Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul warns of are thunderous. This year, they summon more of our young men and women to wage war against Iran, a country smack-dab between Iraq and Afghanistan.

Expect President Barack Obama’s impending war to look very much like the conflicts that George W. Bush launched a decade ago. But don’t be surprised if the new war isn’t bigger and more bitterly contested than the one against Iraq. After all, there are only nine months until the Presidential election. Obama and his backers understand that millions of Americans will resist abandoning the Nation’s Commander in Chief when U.S. troops are engaged in combat.

That brings us back to why America went to war against Iraq. Few people noticed that the Bush Administration fabricated lies regarding weapons of mass destruction, and they even spread falsehoods that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was fast friends with the terrorists who struck on 9/11.

Coming Soon: Thirty Seconds Over Tehran

American jingoism could reach a fever pitch. Already, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is selling us on war with Iran. Earlier this month, he boasted to U.S. troops stationed in Germany that U.S. armed forces could wage and win simultaneous conflicts against North Korea and Iran.

“We could be fighting a land war in Korea and suddenly Iran moves to close the Straits of Hormuz,” Panetta said.  “We’ve got to have the capability to be able to confront each adversary, to not only deter them, but defeat them.  And we can do that with the force that we’ve put in place.”

It wasn’t hard for Panetta to find U.S. troops in Germany or almost anywhere else. A 2010 report showed there were 1,000 U.S. military bases outside the United States. The cost, not including bases in Iraq and Afghanistan, was more than $100 billion per year. According to anthropologist Hugh Gusterson, U.S. bases “constitute 95 percent of all the military bases any country in the world maintains on any other country’s territory.”

It is beyond me why our government keeps wasting men and materials in Europe two decades after the Cold War ended. Exactly whom must we brace ourselves against?

Perhaps the ruling elite that Bob Livingston alerts us of will not permit us to stand down regardless of the circumstances.

According to Institute for Policy Studies fellow Phyllis Bennis, the Pentagon has been brilliant at spreading military production across virtually every Congressional district. As a result, even the most antiwar members of Congress won’t challenge big Department of Defense projects no matter how high Federal debt levels reach.

Last summer, Katrina vanden Heuvel, editor and publisher of the The Nation, concluded that: “The staggering resources we spend to support an empire of bases isn’t making us more secure. Instead, they fuel resentment and consume resources desperately needed to invest here at home”

The members of the ruling elite don’t care an iota about such deficit spending that is eroding our future while encouraging anti-American sentiment. Whether they are our elected officials or behind-the-scenes puppet masters, their goal is to increase their wealth and influence. As billionare Ted Turner once remarked: “War has been good to me from a financial standpoint.”

In 1947, the Federal government introduced doublespeak when the Department of Defense of War became the Department of Defense. Since then, the United States has not been engaged in much defense, nor has Congressional approval been required for what Presidents are apt to call either a “police action” or “terrorist interdiction.”

Fast-forward to today. How can another President, this one a Democrat, proclaim two additional enemies just as America has pulled out of one war (Iraq) and has announced the pullout of another (Afghanistan)? Yet the groundwork is being laid. Iran is a threat to world peace.

Is it possible that George W. Bush and Barack Obama are really pawns to a secret establishment, perhaps a military-industrial complex that President Dwight D. Eisenhower warned against? I can only speculate, but I wonder if those people really calling the shots ever took an Oath of Office or ever had their names on a ballot. America seems to be falling toward a blueprint that George Orwell predicted in his novel 1984.

As I thought about what seems the inevitable march toward more war, I re-read 1984. I first read it 40 years ago after my English teacher made it compulsory. Over the years, the world has changed and not for the better. This from 1984 struck me hardest:

“To understand the nature of the present war — for in spite of the re-grouping which occurs every few years, it is always the same war — one must realise in the first place that it is impossible for it to be decisive… The labor of the exploited peoples… is not really necessary to the world’s economy. They add nothing to the wealth of the world, since whatever they produce is used for purposes of war, and the object of waging the war is always to be in a better position to wage the next war.”

Consider the impending war with Iran. On Jan. 31, The Washington Post reported that U.S. spy agencies are providing information to the Obama Administration that Tehran may be actively planning to attack U.S. targets on U.S. soil.

Let’s give that idea a quick examination. No sovereign nation has attacked U.S. soil since World War II. (Of course, this doesn’t include U.S. embassies or other American targets on foreign soil.) Let us remember that 9/11 was undertaken by renegade terrorists who were offered protection by the government of Afghanistan. The government of Afghanistan did not attack New York and Washington, yet even its tacit support of al-Qaida resulted in swift and terrible retribution.

Are we to believe that the leadership in Iran is stupid enough to attack Americans within U.S. borders? It sounds like a recipe for Iran to be wiped from the map.

I don’t believe for a moment that Iran’s leadership is stupid enough to launch an attack on American soil. I do believe our government is planting such misinformation to make us fearful and to drum up support for another war. How handy with a Presidential election approaching.

Yours in good times and bad,

–John Myers
Editor, Myers’ Energy & Gold Report

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is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • John Carey

    Excellent read–on the mark!

    • DaveH

      Ditto that.

      • Daniel-Christopher

        I too agree, hit the nail on the head. Glad there are still some rational people who can see through the B/S handed to us daily.

    • John

      And yet, Iranians are fanatics, they are peaceful if you leave them alone, but they are fanatics and will pull all stops if attacked.
      I.m.h.o., Iran will attack targets inside the US if they are attacked by us. For one simple reason, it’s WAR, they are already under attack, they know they are going down, and thus, they will do their uttermost to take down as many of us as they can manage.They will launch everything they have toward Israel, and as I posted yesterday, I would not be surprised finding out that they use their hundreds of pounds of 20% enriched uranium they have to make dirty bombs… remember, rockets that contain radio active material will still disburse it if blown up by defensive action, it does not burn up. Nothing is preventing them to have a crew in place that will disperse biological warfare materials within US cities. In fact, prayer rugs found along the US Mexican border that display Iranian designs lets me to believe that the enemy is within and ready to strike. The US is woefully unprepared for an biological or chemical attack from within and millions could die before we get it under control. if they release it in an domestic airport, it will spread 100 times faster then the black plaque did in Europe during the dark ages……and the rulers of Iran know it. We know they have the capability to do so, what makes anyone believe they will not? The fear of retribution? Laughable, a people that are being bombed and attacked already does not care about more bombs and more death. I.M.H.O., a war with Iran will not be the easy walk in the park that many people believe it will be… Rome did not take the barbarians serious and relied on the fear of reprisals from it legions…and just look what the end result was. A people that have nothing to loose, don’t fear reprisals, period.

      • http://n/a Scrappy

        I could not have said it better. What you outlined is exactly what I firmly believe. America is not prepared for the ‘kind’ of warfare that will ensue on our soil. The world knows Iran and its leaders cannot be trusted for anything they say or deny; their goal is to destroy America. At times,I also believe that is what our government wants to do….the enemy within. Whether or not war is enacted in this election year, this entire administration needs to be voted out and one elected that will fight to save America and its people.

        • John

          This could be the answer to the puzzle of why the LEOs and the FBI are so concerned about shias in the US. After all, the attackers on 9/11 were Sunnis looking to Saudi Arabia whereas shias look to Iran for leadership.

      • Old Henry

        “And yet, Iranians are fanatics, they are peaceful if you leave them alone, but they are fanatics and will pull all stops if attacked.”

        Sounds like the U.S., or any other nation worth its salt…

      • Old Henry

        Yep John, and if our “government” cannot get them to do it our “government” will do it for them and then blame them so they can steal even more of our liberties, or even completely end our Constitution.

      • Phil

        Iran can attack on US soil in-directly. With support of terrorist groups, aid from Central American countries crossing our southern border. This will be a clandestin attack on our city streets, not direct against the military. The only defense against something like this is the second admendment and the armed citizens. If Obama has his way 2013 will be the year gun confisication starts. After that America will be defenseless. That’s why Japan didn’t attack the west coast, they were afaraid of the armed citizens, not the military. After 2013 we won’t have the military strength or the fuel to fight a major war.

      • Tom W.

        And John, this is the time WE all need to be on our toes!!! If you see something, say something! There are still enough good decent people just like you and me working in government and they’re out for what is right, as a matter of fact, if it wasn’t for them on the front lines guys, we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation!!! and as a famous president once said, “We have nothing to fear, but fear itself!” We’re already living under fear! If we weren’t, the TSA would be obsolete!!!

    • Tom W.

      Mr. Myers, are you insinuating that the planned assassination attempt by the Iranians on a Saudi prince right here on US soil was anything but legit?!! You and a couple of your fellow writers seem to think that Mahmoud is just being silly when he says that he wants to wipe us and Israel off the face of the map!!! I for one sir take him completely at his word and have no problem whatsoever with hasting his reunion with his Mahdi!!!

      • Old Henry

        Strange isn’t it TomW, and I know you will agree, that our SOUTHERN border is left completly unlocked…

        • CommonSense4America

          I just saw on the news yesterday that Arizona is trying to get a new law passed that would allow a volunteer militia to patrol their border with Mexico.

          • Marine72

            I am from California and will volunteer to serve a couple of weeks at a time along Arizona’s border to protect us from ALL who do not belong here. Arizona’s only problem will be finding a way to quietly haul the captured illegals to Los Angeles or San Francisco where the murders will be loved to stupidity in the sanctuary of the stupid.

        • Tom W.

          And why is that OH?!! There is no excuse whatsoever for that border to be as wide open as the Great Plains! Explain that one to me OH!!! No matter who has been in the WH, for some reason that border has remained open! You can not tell me that the savings on cheap labor has outweighed the burdens it has created on our system. There is no freakin’ way! So explain that one to me OH! It’s OK, I know that you don’t know either.

          • Tom W.

            What a great training grounds for our new recruits!

      • metalflyer11

        Tom W you live in FEAR??? Stop drinking the Kool Aid. FEAR is what the US Gov wants you to have so you surrender your liberties so they can keep you safe. We need the TSA??? No we need our Constitution back. The Patriot Act and the NDAA completely render the Constitution non existent. Iran or the middle east are not the threat. You are living in the Matrix. Things are not what they seem.

    • Marten, Canadian Libertarian

      Amen

    • Dan Gray

      While I couldn’t agree more with the author’s outrage over the fascist corporate war machine in this country, I am disappointed in his combining facts with fantasy. “Is it possible that George W. Bush and Barack Obama are really pawns to a secret establishment, perhaps a military-industrial complex that President Dwight D. Eisenhower warned against? I can only speculate, ” Save your speculations for Vegas, buddy. Barack Obama INHERITED two wars which he has and is winding down. The two military actions he did initiate were to actually get Osama Bin Laden and to tactically support the allied effort that brought down Moamar Qadaffi. These actions cost no American lives and no additional expenditures. What more could you ask of a leader? Barack Obama my be our best president since FDR and we are EXTREMELY fortunate to have him in the whitehouse during these troubling times. Thank you Mr. President!

  • Patriotic nut

    If we are to believe this article then we must believe that every administration has lied to the American people for years on end. I, personally, cannot go to Iran and talk to their leaders to see what the real story is, and if I could, would they be honest and forthright about their intentions. Publicly they have said time and again how they wished to wipe both Israel and the U.S. off the face of the earth. Now they may wish to, but, will they ever be capable of it? I doubt it. If per chance they ever were, I have little doubt that they would try and fail, resulting in the untimely death of Iran as a country. Many in Israel and the U.S. would die from such an attack but the retribution would be swift and horrible for them. I don’t believe that the leaders there would care as long as they escaped injury.

    • Jay

      PN: Publicly they have said time and again how they wished to wipe both Israel and the U.S. off the face of the earth.

      Not Israel, PN, Zionism. Research Zionism; and while you’re at it, research anti-antisemitism, and you will shocked to learn that most in our current administration, including Israel, are anti-Semitic!!!

      • FreedomFighter

        When you understand WAR is a political solution instituted by politicians and carried out by the common man, we should put the leaders in a arena an let them kill themselves to decide the issue:

        Universal Soldier

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to5d4p4aYiQ

        Im no fan of starting up WWIII, the entire world will lose, but if the lunatics in charge to it, fire all them NUKES, chems, bios and get it over quick.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • eddie47d

        Will Peace make a come back or will the Universal Soldier continue to accept his fate and the lies from the Elites.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Jay,
        I have being saying that for years.Zionism is not only a dangerous threat,it historically has been behind every revolution,including the Russian and the bloody French revolution.Check it out,look up what Rabbi Ravage had wrote. You will be horrified. Good post,Jay

        • clyde crow jr

          you and jay have clearly dont know what your talking about. zionist believes that jews have the right to come back home to their homeland isreal. they are a peaceful org.in fact pakistan is stealing isreal land anyway their isnt such a thing called pakistan country. they are transplant muslims and terroist.if you read the bible you get all the answers you need about this.instead posting things that are not true and make you sound like your stupid.

          • Tom W.

            I clyde as a Christian Zionist believe that the rebirth of the nation of Israel in 1948 was the literal fulfillment of Bible prophecy concerning Israel in the Last Days, how that God will in the Last Days regather His chosen people (The Jews) back into the land that He gave to their forefathers (The Land of Canaan, Palestine, the Holy Land) where He will deal with them there, whether or not they’re saved in Jesus Christ, the seven year Tribulation will be how God will deal with the unsaved Jews leading up to Armegedon. It is our job as Christians to support the Jews and help lead them to salvation, for we know that the end of this senerio will be the 1000 yr. reign of Christ! Hallelujah!!! There is not one Bible prophecy that has to be fulfilled before the Rapture can happen, as a matter of fact, I believe that it could happen at any moment! ARE YOU READY!!!

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          Jay,

          Also.Jewish World Government
          http://www.pgorg.com/ – Cached
          Jan 6, 2005 … To quote the words of The Jewish Philospher, Rabbi Marcus Eli Ravage from an article for The Century Magazine, Vol. 115, January 1928, No.

        • Jay

          You are absolutely correct, coal! What puzzles me is that, when you bring up the topic of Zionism, the nay-Sayers won’t even take a minute to investigate it, and always responding with; “You guys don’t understand what’s going on!” And another thing, the same nay-Sayers, swear up and down, froth at the mouth, while pointing-out the corruption gushing-forth from our political system, yet, from the same source, will swallow, hook-line and sinker, all the propaganda with respect to the middle-east, and in particular, big-bad Iran. Whom, btw, is rich in resources, and more then self-sufficient. Which is more that can be said of the US. Having scarcely an industry to speak of, and stubbornly refuses to harvest its own resources! Goodness gracious!

          • Tom W.

            Then why don’t you wrap your bath towel around your head and go join the Ayatollah’s Jay, I’m sure they’ll welcome ya with open arms!

          • Jay

            I might just do that, Tom, and while i am at it, I’ll put in a good word for ya! I think I have an extra towel laying around. Btw, what size is your head?

          • Tom W.

            7 & 3/4″!!! The only thing that i’ll need a towel for is to turn it into a “cracker” to chase you Ayatollah’s around with it! POW!!!

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            clyde crow jr and Jay:
            The Holocaust Hoax.Hitler was a Zionist ploy in order to create the Zionist State of Israel.Clyde you are wrong,Jay you are right. Jay keep up the good research.Here are more articles that proves you are right,past and present.
            A Comprehensive History of Zionist Crimes
            http://www.takeourworldback.com/zionistcrimes.htm -
            Nov 26, 2011 … But Zionism did not stop with the creation of Israel in 1948. … In order to throw people off the scent, a theory about “reptilians” would be ….. In 1933, World Jewry demanded that Hitler be replaced, and German Jews be ….. mass murder to satisfy their lust for power and riches, are labelled as “right-wing” …

    • Gordon in Texas

      You have to understand their beliefs and their resolve in achieving their goals. The leaders of Iran have said publically that they are ready to sacrifice themselves and their people to achieve such a goal. To them, this is honor and just. Don’t try to understand their way of thinking while thinking like an American. It will not compute.

      • Flashy

        Personally, I don’t think they’re all that hot to go down with the ship if you catch the drift there. Push comes to shove, my guess is they’ll be heading for what they perceive is a safe place to rise the storm if they attack and retaliation is forthcoming.

        Most psycho’s who are power hungry and have a religious holy man complex legitimize hiding in that they will be needed to rebuild the world, and who else but they to do it correctly?

      • DaveH

        Gordon,
        You say “Don’t try to understand their way of thinking while thinking like an American”.
        I say “Don’t try to understand the Leaders way of thinking in the US”.
        As John said we dominate the world in extra-national military presence, even though only one of the many countries we have presence in has remotely attacked the United States. And we don’t even know for sure that the justification for attacking Afghanistan wasn’t a False Flag event. But we do know that even if it wasn’t a False Flag, it was an attack generated by the hatred that our Leaders have fomented with their meddling in the Middle East.
        For those who scream that it couldn’t have been a False Flag because our Government wouldn’t kill 3 thousand of its own people to manipulate us, I offer you the example of WWII where indeed our Government sacrificed 2400 military personnel at Pearl Harbor to justify FDR getting us further into WWII:
        http://mises.org/books/pearl_harbor_greaves.pdf

        Virtually every war we’ve gotten involved in, since and including the Civil War up to at least the Vietnam War, has been the result of a False Flag event engineered to sway the opinions of the Propagandized citizens.

        • DaveH

          Fool us once, shame on them. Fool us twice, three times, four times, five times and probably more — shame on us:
          http://modernsurvivalblog.com/current-events-economics-politics/false-flag-events/

        • Flashy

          DaveH….i cannot believe this, but for one time i will justify the going into Afghanistan. Bin laden was there. The Taliban refused to give him up. We went in to take him out. Bush failed because, as in all things, he was incompetent.

          What Bush then did was oust the Taliban in a regime change. Which we never went in for and which changed the Afghan issue ionto war to prevent the Taliban from regaining power…and promptly forgot about bin Laden.

          As to pearl harbor and your charge he was complicit in the attack? Where do you get this stuff from?

          There is little doubt we knew war with Japan was coming. The day we turned off the oil to japan, war was inevitable. Alerts were sent out to the military forces. No one expected Pearl Harbor as a target. Far removed from Japan and the aircraft carrier was still an untested theory of warfare. Yamamoto was a genius, and no one , even the fleet commanders, knew where the targeting was until the flotilla was at sea…and only then via written orders. Complete radio silence.

          The question is why MacArthur was unprepared in the Phillipines? he had ample warning. Ample time. And yet was as undefended as a new born babe.

          I know the fad is to lay blame on FDR for Pearl harbvor. But just as the birther movement, it has no legs to stand on. All hype and wild conjecture going against any standard of sanity and reasoning.

          • DaveH

            I posted the book for anybody to read, Flashman. You see, even though I’m an honest person, I don’t expect people to just take my word for anything.

          • DaveH

            You should try it, Flashman, you will find honesty to be much more productive than lying, fabricating facts, and personally attacking people constantly.

          • Flashy

            true enough. Your posts are a perfect example of what you accuse….

          • eddie47d

            One thing for sure there are no honest wars. Each and everyone have been manipulated and maneuvered to serve someones quest for power. Going to war against Iran will be no different.

          • libertytrain

            flash – picking and choosing which war is ok to him… hmmm. I am so glad you are “honest” with your appraisals as to whom we should take on and whom we shouldn’t and who did the right job as far as your lowly opinion is concerned. Pick and choose -

          • Tom W.

            Flushy NEWSFLASH!!! Osama Bin Laden was discovered in Pakistan living in a compound less than a football field length away from the Pakistani equivilent of West Point!!! And the Pakistani’s expect us to believe that they knew nothing of it! I think that they somehow think that we’re all as gullible as you Flush!

          • Tom W.

            Forget it Dave, the boy is hooked! There’s no helping him, the only option left with dealing with our beloved Flush is like when you’ve laid that load that you’re so proud of, you go looking for a camera so you can send a picture of it to “Hustler” magazine! But there comes a time when you’ve stood there and admired it enough, it’s time to pull the handle!!! Say goodbye Flush!

          • Tom W.

            LT, did ya even notice that the reason he gave for the war in Afghanistan being justified turned out to be untrue?! He was right nextdoor living in somewhat luxury in the country we send more in aid to than any other Muslim coutry!!!

          • Flashy

            Tom…and what does where bin Laden was killed have to do with what i wrote about Bush/Cheney and regime change in Afghanistan?

          • libertytrain

            flash you are consistent with your inconsistencies.

        • Mike in MI

          I doubt, DaveH, we have anything to be concerned about in terms of starting another war. We’re so broke the government couldn’t stage a decent county fair piglet mud-wrassle.

          • DaveH

            Mike,
            The Leaders usually come out on top (unless the people finally get fed-up beyond self-control), so why should they care if they impoverish our country? Witness our very close neighbor — Cuba.

    • TML

      “If we are to believe this article then we must believe that every administration has lied to the American people for years on end.”

      Is that so hard to believe? Do understand that their resentment toward us comes from the United States over-throwing their Democracy through a coup d’état in 1953 and installing a Pro-U.S. dictator which ruled with an iron fist? And the reason they did this was to gain control over Iran’s oil using the pretense fear of communism.

      “Publicly they have said time and again how they wished to wipe both Israel and the U.S. off the face of the earth.”

      This is simply NOT true. This is why it isn’t so hard to believe that the American government lies to us… whether from ignorance between cultures, religious indifference, or special interest.

      Ahmadinejad was quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini (the father of the Iranian Revolution in 1979, which took their government back and installed a theocracy) in the specific speech under discussion: what he said was that “the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time.” This doesn’t refer to “wiping Israel off the map” as there is no such idiom in Persian. This suggests that he was referring to the occupying regime, and calls for no military action, but instead says “should” (as in, a wish, a hope) and does not mean “nuking the Israeli land mass from the face of the earth”, as many American’s foolishly swallow.

      And for the record, Iranian’s saying “Death to ‘this or that” is just like saying “Damn ‘this or that” in America. It’s a cultural difference.

      • DaveH

        And the US Leaders were Iraq’s friends until they decided to become Iraq’s enemies. Friendship with the US Leadership is not too bright.

      • CP

        IRAN? Had a democracy in the early 50′s? Which wine bottle have you been sipping on? Do know it isn’t “liberal ‘kool-aide’”. Iran, like most of the rest of the middle east, was under various shahs, pashahs, and other potentates for most of recent history.

        • John

          CP, please don’t show the world your lack of historical education.
          Fact: Iran had a democratic elected government that the US overthrew and installed the Shah, a despot and dictator directly responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of Iranians. And why did the US do it? Because of oil… the rightfully elected government in Iran did not renew the contracts with British oil and the US oil corporations, and thus cut off access to cheap Iranian oil. That is the only reason. The revolution in the late 70s was the direct result of people being suppressed by a US puppet dictator..sounds familiar…hmm can you say Persian spring?

        • TML

          Indeed their democracy was short lived. After Reza Shah was forced to abdicate following the British/Soviet invasion of WWII, Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi came to power in 1941. In 1951, Dr. Mosaddegh was appointed Prime Minister and committed to nationalizing the Iranian petroleum industry controlled by the Anglo-Persian Oil Company.

          Under the leadership of the democratically-elected nationalist movement of Dr. Mohammed Mosaddeq, the Iranian parliament unanimously voted to nationalize the oil industry, which shut out the Anglo-Persian Oil Company.

          The American CIA and British Secret Intelligence Service (SIS) funded and led a covert operation to depose Mosaddegh with the help of military forces loyal to the Shah. Despite the high-level coordination and planning, the coup initially failed, causing the Shah to flee to Baghdad, then Rome. After a brief exile in Italy, the Shah returned to Iran, this time through a successful second attempt at a coup.

          • vicki

            Lots of talk but no actual history. Let us look at the history to verify the claims.

            “Raised by a wave of popularity, Mosaddeq showed signs of demagoguery and dictatorial government. When the Shah refused his demand for control of the army forces in 1952, Dr. Mosaddeq resigned. He was reinstated in the face of popular riots as he very probably knew he would be. Next he conducted a national referendum to dissolve parliament. ”
            http://www.mideastweb.org/iranhistory.htm

            So you see the conspiracies of man are a bit more complex then simple “The CIA did it” or “the British did it” or “Its about oil” accusations would allow.

          • TML

            “Lots of talk but no actual history. Let us look at the history to verify the claims.”

            I see no inconsistencies in the information I provided, and the information provided in your link. So I’m not sure of the point you’re trying to make.

      • Bob Marshall

        Good post. I am glad to see some people still do research.

    • Old Henry

      “If we are to believe this article then we must believe that every administration has lied to the American people for years on end.”

      You are catching on Patriotic Nut.

    • ToeTagTunny

      “I don’t believe that the leaders there would care as long as they escaped injury”..

      This is true Pn.. And I’ve come out of my dead like stupor to tell you that we must therefore insure that if they do challenge us that there will be not one of them to escape.. Find them and charge them with war crimes toward us and their own people, THEN hang’um high..!

    • Tom W.

      I’ll say it like this Pn, When I look at a Masonic map Of DC (http://www.cuttingedge.org/n1040.html) I see that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was right, we are the great Satan!!! But I guess that he actually thinks that he’s Mother Teresa!!! Sorry ——, Iran has no one to blame for whatever happens to them but their beloved Ayatollahs! You cannot make peace with anyone who is HELLBENT on your demise!!! I fully take them at their word as to what they want to do to us! And I’m HELLBENT on seeing to it that that doesn’t happen!!!

      • James

        Tom W., Your ignorance of the Bible is showing. At the time of Christ, most of the twelve tribes of Israel weren’t in Palestine and hadn’t been there for centuries. And back when all Israelites were under King David, in Palestine, the Lord told Nathan the prophet to tell King David this (2 Sam, 7:10): “Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime.”
        Since they were in Palestine when this promise was made, this “place for my people” can’t be in Palestine, and if they will “move no more” from this new place, then they would never return to Palestine.

  • Flashy

    “How can another President, this one a Democrat, proclaim two additional enemies just as America has pulled out of one war (Iraq) and has announced the pullout of another (Afghanistan)? Yet the groundwork is being laid. Iran is a threat to world peace.”

    So all the attacks on this site by various posters (and correct me if I err, and a few articles as well) on president Obama for being “soft’ on iran were…faked hype or in the alternative, born of ignorance?

    Given we are so dependent upon oil imports, as is the industrial world, we must be concernd with maintaining a free flow of oil from the ME. The screams and rants of those who desire to block and impede any effort to wean ourselves off the old energy emphasize this concern. If we step forward into the future, move into the 21st century with an energy independence leading the world out of the old and restrictive energy base, we would be able to say ‘do whatever.”

    Buut very attempt is met with vocal cries based in ignornce and a seeming willingness to continue to enrich the sheikdoms and Big Oil.

    Is an Iran with nuclear weapons a national security threat?

    Would a president be failing in his oath to not begin to prepare and study all options?

    Would a president be failing by not utilizing all efforts -diplomatic, economic, and military – to set up a proper response and defensive posture?

    This morning we have the news of US aircraft carriers going through the Straits of Hormuz. Anyone with an IQ above 10 knows Israel will attack Iran’s production facilities the moment Iran can produce weapons grade material. With the fleet movement, the message is the time is getting near. Would you criticize the President if he did not have the fleet in place?

    Using Iraq as an example is erroneous. By every account, Bush/Cheney lied to us. They lied to the world. Those demonstrating against the lies were castigated and denigrated…many such denigrations coming from the posters on this site. Sammy said ‘come look” and opened up. The UN inspectors were given free acess anywhere they chose. Bush said ‘we know where they [WMDs] are’, but refused to tell the UN teams. he was lyin’…and ya’ll swallowed it.

    Here…Iran won’t allow inspections.

    OK folks..what would you do?

    • cawmun cents

      I would pray that our leaders wont involve us in another war.
      -CC.

      • Flashy

        CC…I agree and would add not only our leaders, but other’s leaders as well.

    • http://www.motorcars Brad

      Flashy I dont trust any of them and they are all liers. Everything the MSM spew out at us is BS. They may have moved the weapons back in 2002. Do you really know? Does anyone really know past the greed hungy elites? It is what it is and YOU my friend can do nothing about it. But I know one thing is for sure you cannot spend your way out of debt and all this BS overseas is just a ploy to take or eyes of the devastation the President is putting the country through with class warefare and lies to the American people.

      • Flashy

        Class warfare is the GOP and the TP trademark, didn’t you get the memo?

        As to “can’t spend … out of debt”, such is a mistaen impression oft times the death knell of companies. To get out of debt, and maintain a healthy structure, one has to continue to spend, and ensure such spending equates into increased revenues. taken with sound, wise, cost controls and cutting measures, such is the only way a company can ease from debt and maintain a viable structure and entity.

        • Robert

          Yesterday I asked Flushy if he was a natural born idiot or was it just a well polished act. Today I know for sure. He’s a natural born idiot.

          • Flashy

            You disagree with my comments, opinions, and renditions? Feel free to counter. But you won’t, because you can’t. LOL

        • kkflash

          For the sake of argument, let’s say your philosophy were true, and that you can spend your way out of debt, as long as the spending produce a return on investment. How does that bear any resemblance at all to what Obama and the Congress has done since 2008?

          • Flashy

            KKF …

            When the administration took office, we had two wars not on the “official” books, losing over 700,000 jobs a month with a long line of already lost jobs, a financial system broken with no cash nor credit being given, major manufacturers about to go belly up and needing cash, a housing market in freefall and we were on the abyss of a Depression. Toss in a GOP which placed politics and the wealthy and big Corporate elite over that of nation.

            The ‘company” (in very loose terms) was hemorraging badly. Can anyone with reasonable expectations see a reversal in a short time period?

            Oh, and toss in the financial crisis Europe has been going through which adds to our economic woes.

            If i remember correctly, the budget proposed last week by President Obama is less than that of the last year of the Bush budget. Employment numbers in the private sector has grown for almost two years now. Public sector jobs have been less each month for about the same period of time.

            We have stopped the hemoragging, and from the economic signs we are headed back…slowly, but we have signs of a recovery.

            Raise revenues with increased employment in the private sector, cut subsidies to Ag etc, reduce military spending, and cut into the welfare sysem for the eilte, target the areas which will show a high, long term return (infrastructure and new cutting edge non oil energy, heavy manufacturing) and those areas which can be see spending, but in reforming…i.e. Health, SSI etc.

            In other words…exactly as is proposed and hopefully with a GOP which is more willing to place Nation and Country first.

            And no..i’m not a shill for the administration…i just happen to agree with the path being pursued.

          • kkflash

            Flashy, as usual you either lack facts or distort them. This time you sound like Obama’s Budget Director in their press conference on Monday trying to still blame their failures on prior administration, while continuing to promote policies that have made the problems far worse. We’re no longer buying the finger-pointing, nor the phony claims of progress.

            “If i remember correctly, the budget proposed last week by President Obama is less than that of the last year of the Bush budget.”
            Well, you DON’T remember correctly: Under Bush the annual budget deficit decreased each year from 2004-07 while he worked with a Republican Congress, falling from -$413B to -$160B. Upon Congressional control being assumed by the Democrats in 2007, the 2008 budget deficit ballooned to $458B, and reached $1.4T in 2009. That was the last budget passed by Democrats in the Bush era, totalled $3.5T in spending (much higher than Bush had proposed)and included $800B in bailouts. Obama’s 2013 proposed budget is $3.8T WITHOUT any bailouts, and a projected deficit of $900B, using his rosy 3% economic growth assumption, which is .8% higher than even the FED would have us believe. His assumption is nearly double the 1.7% GDP growth that most economists are using. In other words, he’s lying through his teeth and spending $1T more each year than when Bush left office. Check out the facts here:
            http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals/

            So, on to the second part of the question. Has that massive deficit spending increase produced any positive results?

            “Employment numbers in the private sector has grown for almost two years now.”
            The truth is there are many more unemployed now than in January of 2009 when BO took office. The non-institutionalized labor force has increased from 234.7M to 242.2M, while the number employed has dropped from 140.4M to 139.9M. While BO likes to talk about the massaged UNemployment rate, the unemployed pay no taxes. The numbers that matter are the number of employed, and even more importantly the % of employed, because the rest are benefitting from society without paying taxes. Alas, on both of these scores, the numbers continue to drop, from 72% in Jan2009 to 69.6% in 2012. Not coincidentally, the last year in which the %employed increased was the last year of Republican Congress. You can see the numbers here:
            http://www.bls.gov/webapps/legacy/cpsatab1.htm

            Obama’s budget, submitted last week, projects a total federal debt in 10 years of nearly $27T, which does not include unfunded pension liabilities, or deficits in Medicare or Social Security. By his own admission, his plan will increase our debt by more than $11T from its current unsustainable position. The annual interest on the debt 10 years from now is projected by BO to be $850B. These are his numbers, using his plan, which is an admitted total failure economically.

        • DaveH

          Flashman says “To get out of debt, and maintain a healthy structure, one has to continue to spend [Where does that money come from? More Debt?], and ensure such spending equates into increased revenues [How did the debt occur in the first place? Spending of course]. taken with sound, wise, cost controls and cutting measures, such is the only way a company can ease from debt and maintain a viable structure and entity”.
          If sound, wise cost controls will reverse the debt, then why weren’t those sound, wise cost controls implemented prior to the incurring of the debt? Imagine how much easier it is to not incur the debt in the first place as opposed to the added burden of servicing the costs of the debt after it is incurred?
          If people can’t live within their means now without debt, how are they going to live within their means later when they have the burden of debt service added to their monthly payments?

          • Flashy

            DaveH, you said nothing. Go back and stay a self-proclaimed “expert” in economics.

          • DaveH

            So, basically, Flashdunce is trying to tell us that if a company (or country) is badly managed and as a result builds up a crushing debt, we should lend them more money in the hopes that the bad managers are going to run the company (or country) so much better next time that they are able to pay off the crushing debt.
            Yeah right.

          • Jay

            Flashy, sometimes you’re just a damn fool! When it comes to economics, DaveH, will eat you for lunch. You’re not fooling anyone, Flash, so stop trying to over-compensate for deficiencies, with personal attacks, and insults! No one will criticize for admitting you are in over your head. Why heck, you never know, some people may even lend you a hand-up!

          • Flashy

            DaveH…where did i state to maintain the current management plans while trying to increase revenues? If there were factors beyond the control of management, or if the resulting problems were a cause of bad management…that wasn’t the question.

            The question was, can one spend out of debt. The answer is simple. Yes. It can also spend itself into BK. But to made a bald assertion one cannot spend out of debt is ridiculous. In many cases, that’s the only way the company has a hope to survive.

            Now go back to your window, the next car is driving up to get their order

    • Bill

      If the inspectors in Iraq were given free access to look for WMD’s then the newspapers and other media were lying to us, as the reports were that they would deny access except to some designated places. Ask Syria who has the WMD now? They were taken out of the country because they were granted the time to do so. Believe no one, not me, not the govt. not other people and especially don’t believe yourself. You don’t know the truth because you were told the truth. You will believe the truth only if it matches up with what you already believe. To believe otherwise you would have to do a lot more homework. Things are what they are and not what someone tell you they are because they are in the same boat as you trying to get you to believe the same lies that they believe. Its all nonsense, but apparently people will die telling you their “truthful” lies.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    This sites constant promotion of Ron Paul has become boring. To believe that the Iranians are not stupid is like believing in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and Tooth Fairy. The Iranians have expressed the desire and intention of destroying Western Civilization. What are you missing, Mr. Myer?

    • Jay

      Another mindless sponge for western propaganda! If your only source is western media, how balanced can your perspective be? A better question, how strong is your faith in your church of propaganda? Is it possible that your own, may be lying to you? Legitimate questions, don’t you think?

      • CP

        Jay, go study some history, and not just the rightwing BS that passes for same. Here you have a group of religious leaders whose whole aim is to convert the whole world to their nasty version of Islam, and you think they are nothing to worry about. Son, you have been sitting in that right wing springwater too long, and your brain is shriveling up.

        • John

          And in the US and Vatican you have leaders trying to convert the world into a nasty version of christian superstition… so, where is the difference? Are you aware that many of our soldiers call them self gods warriors believing they are the new crusades? That comes from my brother in law a courier military right now in Afghanistan…again…

          • Flashy

            Another sound reason for the draft..keep the military civilian based and not allow a professional ‘elitism’ to foster and become established.

          • ChristyK

            Can you explain the difference between the draft and slavery? Both are forcing someone to work for someone else with no choice to leave on pain of death. If we really need to defend ourselves, Americans will volunteer. If all the government wants to do is “make war”, then those who disagree with this policy should not be forced to participate against their will.

          • Flashy

            Sure…

            The draft as i suggested…two years military or three years civilian CCC type … there would be that choice, is not slavery. It’s two things. one is payment for being a membr of the society. It’s a return to JFK’s calling of doing something for your country. It’s paid, and there are skills taught/learned. And…afterwards, a subsidized education at a college or trade school.

            The second is it prevents a military from being too pure, too professional. It prevents a military from having a “we” versus “them” (us) mindset. The seperation between civilian and military does not become a sharp, defined edge.

            And there’s a third. It brings the entire nation into the conversation because it will impact evryone. Just as there is danger from the military of a “we” versus “them” mindset, the opposite is true. It’s not as impactive if your blood isn’t at risk. The civilians have a stake in the matter, and i believe they’d want to have more of a say and pay more attention.

            A few months ago, I read a study which gave results from polling both the military offer corps and the civilian on the street. I was amazed. The military officer corp was far more against a draft than the civilians. Blew me away until i read the commentary. Seems the major objection from the military OC was they didn’t want the civilians “mucking things up”.

            That was when I went from a strong “possible” in considering a draft, to a firm “heck yes!”.

          • TML

            “The draft as i suggested…two years military or three years civilian CCC type … there would be that choice, is not slavery”

            A military draft is still force, regardless of compensation and term limits. While you’re reasoning in this matter is sound in regards to why you think everyone (civilian’s) should become more involved (which I don’t disagree), I could never support something that would force them against their will. The ends, do not justify the means.

        • DaveH

          CP says “Here you have a group of religious leaders whose whole aim is to convert the whole world to their nasty version of Islam”.
          Hmmm, what would happen if we replaced the word “Islam” with “Americanism”?

          Beauty (and nastiness) is in the eyes of the beholder. Here is the story of one man who learned that Beauty was not so Beautiful:
          http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-big-screen-documentary-exposes-pat-tillman-cover-up.html

        • Jay

          CP states: Jay, go study some history, and not just the rightwing BS that passes for same.

          JAY: CP,i have, studied history, you know, the fabricated version from our fabulous education system. Of course, i didn’t realize what a fabulous re-write that was until i exited the system, and began studying it from various perspectives, and authors, asking myself; why are there such discrepancies, and why so many different versions? Why do you think that is, CP?

          CP states: Here you have a group of religious leaders whose whole aim is to convert the whole world to their nasty version of Islam, and you think they are nothing to worry about.

          Jay: CP, and here, we have a group of money, and power hungry, fanatics, bankers, the military-industrial-complex, right-wing and left-wing wackos, every special interest group that you can shake a stick at, religious nuts, crime syndicates, communists, socialists, fascists, who seem the only ones, constantly, and for eons, invading their neighbors, and now, hell-bent on converting all of the middle-east to their version of democracy and hypocritical religion, while at the same time pointing their self-righteous finger at Iran, whom, btw, has yet to invade anyone. It seems to me CP, the only religious fanatics who seem dedicated to converting the whole world to their version of democracy/religion, is the WEST!!! Yeah, CP, if i lived in the middle-east, i would certainly be worried about the religious loons, right here, in the West!

          CP: Son, you have been sitting in that right wing springwater too long, and your brain is shriveling up.

          Jay: Pops, interesting you should mention shriveled brains! It appears you may still be in possession of some, awareness!

    • DaveH

      We have only the word of our MSM for that. And as those with the blinders off know — their word isn’t too reliable. But even if true, could anybody blame the Iranians for hating us? If Brazil was practicing Imperialistic Hegemony in our country would we love them?

      • DaveH

        Here is just one example of US Leadership meddling with Iran:
        http://www.iranchamber.com/history/coup53/coup53p1.php

        • DaveH

          And don’t forget the 8-year war between Iraq and Iran (1980-1988) in which the US took Iraq’s side.

          • John

            and supplied them with enough chemical weapons to sterilize most of the mid east.

          • eddie47d

            Thanks Ronald Reagan!!! Bull pucky! Look out Obama I may be saying the same thing about you if you spread death and destruction courtesy of the USA. America has become the world’s war machine and is the devil we supposedly despise. Tojo and Hitler may have been on steroids but we’ve had our own turkey shoots. Vietnam,Central America and Iraq. None have brought us a lick of respect!

    • TML

      “This sites constant promotion of Ron Paul has become boring.”

      The article only mentions Ron once, so I think this would hardly qualify as a promotion, although I must say… DUH… he’s the only Presidential Candidate that is calling for no more war.

      “To believe that the Iranians are not stupid is like believing in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and Tooth Fairy.”

      To believe that you are smart is like believing in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and the Tooth Fairy.

      “The Iranians have expressed the desire and intention of destroying Western Civilization.”

      If so, can you please cite the source(s) where Iranians have expressed a desire, and intent, to destroy Western Civilization outside their own country, rather than just regurgitating sound bites? I challenge thee

      • Capitalist at Birth

        I have more important things to do, than debate anyone who regularly writes on this site. There are many books published on this very topic. If you care to do your OWN research, you might become as enlightened as me. Otherwise you choose ignorance over knowledge. I will not assist you in your endeavor. You are on your own.

        • Average Joe

          In other words, you have nothing relevant to add to the conversation….you just came by to TROLL?
          Or is it …that you may possibly learn something from the experience and that scares you?
          Certainly, it couldn’t be that you are just plain… too lazy to do the work….or incapable….could it?

          ANSWER: D. All of the above.

          • DaveH

            Crony Capitalist knows his ideas are indefensible, so he takes the easy way out.

        • John

          lol, the same cop out as always… at least he did not declare that this site is boring and he will leave to read a book lol…

        • TML

          I will take that as, you can’t cite a source which supports your assertion.

          Thank you.

        • kkflash

          Try and make a cogent argument against any of Ron Paul’s stated political positions, and back your position with facts. I dare you. I give you warning though. You’re opting to be the underdog in a debate you can’t win, because Ron’s positions are correct, according to the supreme law of the land, the Constitution. To disagree with him is to take a position against that Constitution and the principles on which this country was founded. If that’s what you wish to do, then you can’t also call yourself a patriotic American without proving you’re a liar.

  • https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1650589057 Jeff Chiacchieri

    We have been drumming up support for war for how long now? When Eisenhower ended the war he inherited he avoided another and left Office with his now famous warning of the Military Industrial Complex who at that time had a “vested” interest in a very long cold war! We didn’t listen then, and it still has not sunk in! Leaving out the horrific fiscal policies and social disease destroying America for the last several decades, fast forward to the last 2 decades and can anyone tell me what we actually got out of the following?

    Under Bush one we were involved in Panama, attacked Iraq, liberated Kuwait, put forces in Saudi Arabia, and set up the events leading to the massacre Black Hawk Down.

    Under Clinton we invaded Haiti, bombed Serbia for 3 months, and meddled in Bosnia.

    Under Bush 2 we declared North Korea, Iraq, and Iran the axis of evil, invaded Afghanistan, told the ENTIRE world we would maintain military supremacy of the globe. And called it a crusade for “democracy” with demonstrations in Serbia, Ukraine, Georgia and Lebanon.

    Under Obama we doubled our forces in Afghanistan, have drone strikes in Pakistan, and launched a war on Libya.

    Is the World better off? And are we not less respected, less powerful, less secure then we were in 1991? Will enough of the people ever awaken enough to understand the globalist’s ideology? When will the foreign policy elites stop with their empire games? It’s one of the engines driving us into bankruptcy. Public understanding of the globalist ideology is required to save what is left of this republic! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

  • http://www.c-c-c.ws Charles Hanna

    I share some interesting experiences with John Myers, including the oil industry and my current involvement with a marble quarry in the Dominican Republic. Maybe that’s why we agree that the tyrannical False Flag incidents are not in the process of slowing down … unless we get Ron Paul in office.

  • Sirian

    There are who knows how many different factors/players involved in this and it will become of the utmost importance to Obummer, as Mark mentioned, to slap us into a war with Iran. Why? Once again, it would be to his “political” advantage which in turn would push us closer and closer to not only his, but several side players – Soros for instance – profit and or reach for their NWO. Are the banks involved on the periphery? Without doubt they too have their hands in the widespread variety of political/ideological moves such as this. Have they not shown their hands before? If in doubt, research history a bit – it’s quite easy to find.

    • Flashy

      Sirian…easy to smack talk ain’t it? OK what would you do? Realistically … what would you do?

      • Sirian

        Logical reasoning, critical thinking based on historical/present day facts is not smack talk – far from. Realistically, shall I return that question to you – what would you do? Obviously it is of no consequence to you as to what I may think would be the best path to follow. For without doubt you would gleefully discount it as nothing more than mere fantasy. Is that not rather evident in your usual day to day responses Flashy? Quite so. With that, enjoy your un-biased sources of information, Al Jazeera especially, and have a good day.

        • Flashy

          It was a serious inquiry. Too bad you displayed you don’t have an alternative.

          I’ve read enough of your posts in the past to realize logic and critical thinking isn’t a strong point of yours, but in this situation…I asked. Given the iranian position in the past, and given the situation today…what would you have done differently?

          Or…are you just spouting off as usual and, as usual, don’t have a clue?

          • DaveH

            As usual, Flashman, the person with very little personal integrity, chooses to Personally attack a commenter in lieu of providing a logical rebuttal.
            Flashman lies, slanders, condones theft, advocates violence to those with opposing points of view, plagiarizes other peoples’ writings as if they were his own, and promotes the vilest of all forms of slavery — the draft.
            Ask me to prove any of the above, Flashman.

          • Flashy

            DaveH…you forgot that accfording to FF, I also send out erroneous links on protection from zombies.

            I asked Srian to walk his talk. You have a problem with that? If I were Mr. Livingston, I’d be telling you “Strike One” …

          • DaveH

            The difference, Flashman? I tell the truth.

          • Sirian

            Very well Flashy,
            Since you must know what I would do in relation to the present situation with Iran, alright, hows this. . . by means of covert internal Iranian information sources, seek out when the next full meeting of the parliament, President, Ayatollah present also, will take place. Upon further confirmation of said date/time launch three cruise missiles. Each with the largest warhead – non nuclear – as possible. In effect, elimination of the primary heads of the theocratic regime. With there being no other attacks initiated it would then be left up to the people of Iran to reorganize and establish a new government. It has been openly displayed and known for quite some time that the Iranian people are no longer pleased with the government that is directing their lives. Remember the last election that was rigged to the hilt? From an action of this type it would allow them much more room to do so than what they are restricted from doing now. With the Iranian totalitarian theocracy eliminated – total killed held to a minimal number in reality – this in turn would surface as a side financial blockade to various radical Islamic fronts. Hamas, Hezbollah, Muslim Brotherhood (Egypt-Libya-Iraq-Syria) etc. that are relentlessly pushing to reestablish a Caliphate. In simple terms, a return to the Ottoman Empire which was eliminated in 1923. As to that being their ultimate objective what may come afterwards from an action such as this is unknown. Final outcomes are in that area until it has arrived. Even so, with the various proxies I mentioned above being set back, limited, Turkey also could be minimized from the political/religious direction they are presently moving. May I assume you are aware of this? Unfortunately, that too shall remain an unknown yet in reality the political/religious maneuvers Turkey’s president has been making recently draws light to them also, does it not? Would there possibly be any Russian or Chinese rhetoric to follow – obviously so. Possible threats of actions against us – very doubtful. Money is the main obstruction to both of them insofar as taking any action against us. Their economies and their own military buildups are far more important. They would toss plenty of rhetoric but as long as they can maintain a close arms customer they will go no further than that. So, overall, no full scale undeclared war which is to obvious as to the shadowed political intent that lies within. Let the Iranian people determine what they feel is best for themselves. I have a strong feeling that there would be a very strong resurgence by part of the Iranian people to return to a much more limited government – not a theocracy. The same may occur within other peoples of that region. In the end it only seems plausible that actions of this sort will also eliminate the possibility of Iran becoming a Mid-East Region Nuclear Armed Threat to the World. Are you in support of returning to a new “Cold War”? Yet keep in mind, if they have nuclear weapons they would never hesitate to use them. To them, martyrdom is sought without question. Presumedly, you are also concerned with what Israel may do? Subjective determinations are open. Only they know for sure. Would we support Israel? In my view, yes, no question in supporting them whatsoever. What other ally do we honestly have in that region of the world? Turkey is becoming much more questionable in that regard. Insofar as whether Obama may support Israel, well, very doubtful. Need I explain that? I don’t think so. As I have posted before, you cut off the head of the snake and the body will die. So, with that I’ll leave it to you. I’ve given you my thoughts on the matter as to what would or could be done to eliminate the overall threat – political/religious – in the Mid-East. If you wish to play with what I’ve said, which isn’t unusual, then please do so. You asked for an answer, you now have it.

          • FreedomFighter

            You did Flash, they eat brains remember?

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkmS6JrWSPU&feature=related

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

          • Sirian

            OK Flashy, it’s now your turn to state what you would do. I asked that before, and so far I see no response. And you question my integrity? Really?

          • Flashy

            Sirian..thank you. i did later on post what i would do if i had any say in the matter. I won’t argue with you…you gave a well thought out statement. I do disagree with some, especially the wait until all their leaders get together stance as well as knocking off leaders when war is not officially declared as well as being the aggressor without warning … but that’s what issues are debated over.

            For the most part, I agree with you re; Turkey

            I don’t know about Russia and China’s reactions. i think it won’t be money which will keep them on the sidelines more than they’ll have an Ace to play when it comes time for their turn in expanding their spheres of influence.

            I think I ouched on most of the remainder in my other post.

            Thanx. It was refreshing to read.

          • Flashy

            FF .. I know. that’s why I was surprised when such wasn’t included on DaveH’s list of crimes. Awhile ago, my daughter sent me a list of the types of zombies and effective measures against each type. i’ll see if i can locate it.

            we know one thing for certain. In case of zombie attacks, you and i will still be ones continuing debating on this site (provided Mr. Livingston takes the necessary preventative measures )

          • eddie47d

            Good comments Sirian yet Pakistan has had nukes for decades and the same with North Korea. The USA,the Saudis and Israel threaten Iran so who is to say they don’t have a right to defend themselves? Even small tactical strikes against Iran to kill Ahmadinejad would damage Mosques and create sectarian violence,such as it did in Iraq. Iran can be mischievous for they were caught in Thailand yesterday ready to bomb the Israeli consulate and should be monitored. They are now doing what Gaddafi encouraged (bombings) and that can be a biggest threat than for them having nukes.

          • DaveH

            Flashman admits his Ignorance:
            FreedomFighter says “You did Flash, they eat brains remember?”
            Flashman says “we know one thing for certain. In case of zombie attacks, you and i will still be ones continuing debating on this site”.

            Lol. I doubt that FreedomFighter appreciates you lumping him with yourself, Flashman. I’m sure I will have to explain that one to Flashman, but the rest of you will get it.

        • Average Joe

          Don’t feed the TROLL!….if he gets hungry enough, he will search for food elsewhere.

  • Gordon in Texas

    Expect another false flag operation against a US target (most likely a soft target) that will infuriate and “unite” the American people in support for waging a war against the responsible party/nation (Iran???). These false flag operations have worked in the past and they will work today, as long as we continue to have a misinformed public the MSM is on board…and they will be on board. Mid- to late summer will a good time to ensure obama another term.

    • DaveH

      For those who are new to the term “False Flags”:
      http://www.wanttoknow.info/falseflag

      • DaveH

        List of False Flags in US History:
        http://911review.com/articles/anon/false_flag_perations.html

        Fort Sumter, which was the excuse for “Honest” Abe to engage the South in War, was engineered by Lincoln and thus should be included on the list.

        • Flashy

          Such is from DaveH’s recent publication “Revisionist History and Fractured Fairy Tales”

          • Average Joe

            Speaking of Fairy Tales…..TROLL!

          • DaveH

            Which one of your personalities came up with that slander, Flashman?

          • Flashy

            DaveH..it wasn’t slander … have a nice day.

          • DaveH

            Recess is over?

        • eddie47d

          Okay Dave H and Flashy;enough of the continual name calling. I don’t agree with Dave very often and I do with Flashy yet most of our wars have been False Flag wars and Dave is correct. I believe Iran will be another one.

    • Average Joe

      “Expect another false flag operation against a US target (most likely a soft target) that will infuriate and “unite” the American people in support for waging a war against the responsible party/nation (Iran???).”

      Do you mean like a certain nuclear Aircraft Carrier (USS Enterprise) that is due to be decommissioned in 2013 (hanging out in the Persian Gulf as we speak), a nuclear carrier that must be properly shut down and all nuclear materials disposed of ( at a substantial cost)…which could be more cheaply disposed of in say…the Persian Gulf?
      This would allow for the sinking to be blamed on Iran, while at the same time…make someone else responsible for the clean up of said nuclear material…..What a deal!
      Any bets on this one?

      • Average Joe

        I figure Israel can help us out with this…Just like they did with the USS Liberty…..maybe send a couple of Torpedoes our way so to speak.

      • eddie47d

        Yes Average Joe keep our eye on the prize in how it materializes.Try and stay one step ahead of the False Flag game.

      • Jay

        Dittos, AJ!!!

  • Ted Crawford

    I am contuinually amazed at the number of people who view the fact that we maintain a significant military presents throughout the World as a “bad thing”! It is, in fact exactly the opposite!
    It’s almost universally understood, in financial circles that it is unwise “to have all the eggs in one basket”, yet, by some strange logic, it’s advocated in National Defence strategys! It’s equally wrong in both cases! The standard military tactic is to isolate, surround and pin the enemy into a single location where it can easily be destroyed at leisure!
    Whenever I hear this concept put foward I’m reminded of Rome. They, too had become weary of the cost to maintain a strong military and decieded it was better to attempt to buy off their enemies, how well did that workout for them?
    There was a statement that I remember from my business days about leadership, “If you chose to stick your head above the crowd and lead, someone will begin to throw tomatoes. You then have a choice. Learn to like tomatoes or pull your head back into the crowd”!
    If we wish to continue to be a major player in World affairs, we’de better learn to love tomatoes! The alternative, for me, is unthinkable!

    • DaveH

      The Roman Leaders spread their empire widely, creating vast numbers of enemies in the process, and impoverished their country, making it easier for their enemies to overrun them. Very much like the US Leaders are doing with our own country.
      Leaders always look out for themselves first:
      http://mises.org/daily/3663

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Ted Crawford,

      The “presents” we are maintaining aren’t being well received. Perhaps it’s time to stop playing Santa Claus with our military and bring our troops home. We’re certainly not getting safer under the current modus operandi.

      Best wishes.
      Bob

    • kkflash

      The notion that a weaker combatant may more easily defeat its opponent’s superior forces by attacking when and where such forces are gathered together en masse is a foolish one. Any seasoned military strategist knows that a weaker combatant must resort to “divide and conquer” and guerrilla-type tactics to have any success and avoid being wiped out themselves. Since the US without question has the most powerful military force on earth, we’re just doing our enemies a favor by spreading our forces throughout the globe, unless of course, our goal is not to defend our nation, but rather to imperialistically stretch our political power through military force.

      • Flashy

        Ever read Sun Tzu’s “Art of War” ? I highly suggest it

        • DaveH

          You saw that on Person of Interest last week, didn’t you? Like I expect you to admit it.
          So what’s next, another line of Sniper Bull Dung?

          • Flashy

            What’s Person of Interest?

            DaveH…FYI, Art of War is required reading in most upper level business college courses. And anyone interested in business should have a copy in their library. Jeesh …

    • eddie47d

      Ted seems to believe that we should have a strong military presence and continual wars to achieve status in the world. Why not have economic status and a strong defense through fair trade.If we can’t negotiate with another country then stop doing business with them. Make it their loss of economic business not ours.

    • TML

      “I am contuinually amazed at the number of people who view the fact that we maintain a significant military presents throughout the World as a “bad thing”! It is, in fact exactly the opposite!
      It’s almost universally understood, in financial circles that it is unwise “to have all the eggs in one basket”, yet, by some strange logic, it’s advocated in National Defence strategys!”

      Comparing military strategy with financial strategy doesn’t seem to be realistic and a kind of dichotomy, since the cost of maintaining this imperialistic presence eats away at the economy… weakening the nation from within, while spreading forces apart. These forces require supply lines that could be cut off… a lessen learned by anyone who, in yester year, attempted to invade Russia, including Napoleon (who led the most massive army ever assembled in Europe) and Nazi Germany. In war, spreading forces too thin is error.

      Add to that the idea that this imperialistic presence, in the name of spreading democracy (a hypocrisy in itself), isn’t making friends, but instead, multiplies it’s enemies, and I would say that maintaining a significant military presence throughout the world is not only bad, but just plain stupid and unnecessary, and serves no real interest in the United States national security.

      There is a difference between just sticking your head above the crowd, and sticking your head above the crowd with a gun, threatening to shoot anyone who throws a tomato.

  • Warrior

    Do people actually believe that somehow we ensure the free flow of oil from the ME? Listen up kids, oil is the source of their leaders wealth. If we didn’t have a presence there, the oil would be flowing. Period!

  • steve

    When i comment on material such as this i usually end up insulting one or more proponents of whatever
    foolishness USA seems to be headed towards. So with that in mind i will keep quiet and let others
    tell a story in a much more level headed manner. The question is “who is the real threat to world peace?”
    Its not a simple question but this fellow seems to have a fair answer (i haven’t looked into his background,
    i haven’t completely fact checked his material but at a glance even if only partly true, it points to a fairly straight forward answer …. i asked the question in google and found this link)

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/dangertopeace.php

    and on another entertaining note

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/RPposters.php

  • PATRIOT 101

    Unless and until a lot more people are made aware of the corruption, deceit in our government and Media, and a leader rises up for the patriots to rally around, no change will occur.
    Ron Paul is attempting to be the rallying point, but even patriots are miss-led to denounce him as “an old unelectable fool” because they are so led by “popular opinion” and polls.!!!

    • John

      And why do you believe it necessary for the leader to be elected to the highest office in this country? He would be a lame duck trying to get the rest of the corrupt administration to work with him. Would it not be far more efficient to have a “leader” period? A lot can be archived without being burdened down by the constraints of the federal government. Unfortunately as of today, i have NOT seen a real leader emerge. A real leader would lead the most powerful force in this country…the people.
      A real leader has to be impartial and acceptable to the majority of ALL political directions. If you have only a strong conservative leader you will fail, same is true with any other political direction. What we need is a leader for the people, a leader that everyone can align with, only then will the people have a voice and change the direction of this country.

      • DaveH

        Ron Paul wants to quit the US meddling in other countries’ politics. Let those countries determine their own destinies free of US Hegemony.
        Ron Paul wants to Free our Markets so people can trade with their fellows voluntarily and unfettered by Government meddlers.
        Ron Paul wants to greatly shrink the resource-guzzling Federal Government which is fast running our country over the financial cliff.
        What more could the “people” want?

        • John

          Someone with a agenda that all can rally around, someone charismatic enough for people to rally around, someone strong enough and acceptable enough that if he would say to the nation stay away from work tomorrow 90% of the nation would follow… that person, and its NOT Ron Paul, his agenda is too narrow minded. He is not able to get more then maybe 15-20% to rally around him and that is NOT enough to force any change in this country by the people. The only way anything will change is if the people change the corrupt government,and that will not be done with a revolution or a strictly conservative figurehead that only a relative small amount of people would participate in. Change like this will come only if the vast overwhelming majority of the people want it and more importantly support it…not if only the left or only the right wants it.

          • kkflash

            John, no intelligent person would deny Obama is charismatic, but all would agree that so was Hitler. Charisma is a powerful weapon, particularly in this age of media controlled by the politically connected, and so I’d rather have a man whose principles are fundamentally correct according to natural and Constitutional law, than a man of charisma, whose integrity and principles could not be trusted.

        • DaveH

          The problem is, John, that many (if not most) of the people have been effectively propagandized to be blind to reality. So getting them to rally around a Principled man is indeed difficult. But to advocate rallying around a superficial Leader (most of them are) just because they’re charismatic just continues the enslavement of our citizens to Big Government.
          We need to wake up and quit voting for Presidents based on their looks, or their stirring speeches, or their substanceless promises. And start voting for the Principled guys who can’t and won’t promise a car in every garage or other such sweet-sounding lies.

          • John

            Dave, the person to rally around does not only have to be principled, he also has to charismatic…that’s just a fact because if not, most people will not rally around him… as Ron Paul knows to well.

          • DaveH

            Coming from my standpoint of being highly educated in matters economic and political (so I can understand what Ron is saying), I find Ron Paul to be highly charismatic.
            I find people like Romney and Santorum to be very plastic.
            I have always preferred honesty to sweet-sounding lies.

          • Flashy

            “Coming from my standpoint of being highly educated in matters economic and political ” <– DaveH

            Dave…i thought you said you didn’t lie? ROFLMAO

          • DaveH

            Flashman,
            I could beat you in any mental test except one.
            If the test was based on lying, you would win — Hands Down.

      • kkflash

        Remember John, that Ron Paul is only conservative fiscally, while he is egalitarian socially. He has not advocated isolationism, as some have claimed, but simply an end to US imperialism. Of course, his philosophies don’t sit well with those who depend on the government to give them what they don’t deserve, and that includes the powerful crony-capitalists at one end and the lazy self-pitying socialist liberals at the other end. But in the end how can one argue successfully against the concepts of freedom, personal responsibility and the rule of law based on the Constitution?

  • PW from TX

    You said “Obama and his backers understand that millions of Americans will resist abandoning the Nation’s Commander in Chief when U.S. troops are engaged in combat.” I would still resist Obama and vote against him no matter what ridiculous reason he comes up with to go to war with Iran.

    You also brought up another real good point “Is it possible that George W. Bush and Barack Obama are really pawns to a secret establishment, perhaps a military-industrial complex that President Dwight D. Eisenhower warned against?” It is not only possible it is an absolute TRUTH that they are both pawns to the Military Industrial Complex.

    Everybody should spend 15 minutes and listen to President Dwight D. Eisenhower’s Farewell Address since it has largely been forgotten. You can watch the full address at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWiIYW_fBfY

    Got Bless America

    • Flashy

      OK PW…. what would you have done before this and as of today’s situation, what would you do henceforth?

      Drill for more oil isn’t the answer. We are dependent on the world economy, and unless you’re able to supply the world with oil, you can’t smack talk the easy way out.

    • Jay

      Correct, PWfromTX, it is the military/industrial/complex that determines American, foreign policy. The so-called, commander-in- chief, and the clowns that surround him, are nothing more then employees of the MIC corporation!

    • CommonSense4America

      PW: were you ever at ZFW?

  • RIMILITIA

    Thank you Freedom friend…………….Charles

  • Jay

    Did Ahmadinejad Really Called for Israel To Be ‘Wiped Off the Map’?

    This is pure, mad Zionist propaganda! Keep in mind that the majority of the western media is owned and controlled by the Illuminati ruling class. Their intent is a global fascist police state. One of the key to it, is natural resources like OIL. In the coming months they will be ratcheting up their propaganda, building an Axis of Evil, to prepare the world for the coming war. They will try to paint linkages and alignments when there are non. For eg. trying to link Iran, North Korea, Myanmar… together… Al Qaeda (which is really Al CIAda).. terrorism…etc.. There is a likely hood that they will use Al CIAda to attack their targets like China for example. After all Al CIAda is really pissed with China over XinJiang right? Over the deaths of their Muslim brethren right? This is total bull!

    The Guardian UK reports :
    Experts confirm that Iran’s president did not call for Israel to be ‘wiped off the map’. Reports that he did serve to strengthen western hawks.

    Iran’s president was badly misquoted when he allegedly called for Israel to be “wiped off the map” has caused a welcome little storm. The phrase has been seized on by western and Israeli hawks to re-double suspicions of the Iranian government’s intentions, so it is important to get the truth of what he really said.

    The translation – “the regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time” – from the indefatigable Professor Juan Cole’s website where it has been for several weeks. But it seems to be mainly thanks to the Guardian giving it prominence that the New York Times, which was one of the first papers to misquote Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, came out on Sunday with a defensive piece attempting to justify its reporter’s original “wiped off the map” translation. Joining the “off the map” crowd is David Aaronovitch, a columnist on the Times (of London), who attacked analysis. I won’t waste time on him since his knowledge of Farsi is as minimal as that of his Latin. The poor man thinks the plural of casus belli is casi belli, unaware that casus is fourth declension with the plural casus (long u).

    The New York Times’s Ethan Bronner and Nazila Fathi, one of the paper’s Tehran staff, make a more serious case. They consulted several sources in Tehran. “Sohrab Mahdavi, one of Iran’s most prominent translators, and Siamak Namazi, managing director of a Tehran consulting firm, who is bilingual, both say ‘wipe off’ or ‘wipe away’ is more accurate than ‘vanish’ because the Persian verb is active and transitive,” Bronner writes.

    The New York Times goes on: “The second translation issue concerns the word ‘map’. Khomeini’s words were abstract: ‘Sahneh roozgar.’ Sahneh means scene or stage, and roozgar means time. The phrase was widely interpreted as ‘map’, and for years, no one objected. In October, when Mr Ahmadinejad quoted Khomeini, he actually misquoted him, saying not ‘Sahneh roozgar’ but ‘Safheh roozgar’, meaning pages of time or history. No one noticed the change, and news agencies used the word ‘map’ again.”
    This, is the crucial point and I’m glad the NYT accepts that the word “map” was not used by Ahmadinejad. (By the way, the Wikipedia entry on the controversy gets the NYT wrong, claiming falsely that Ethan Bronner “concluded that Ahmadinejad had in fact said that Israel was to be wiped off the map”.)

    If the Iranian president made a mistake and used “safheh” rather than “sahneh”, that is of little moment. A native English speaker could equally confuse “stage of history” with “page of history”. The significant issue is that both phrases refer to time rather than place. The Iranian president was expressing a vague wish for the future. He was not threatening an Iranian-initiated war to remove Israeli control over Jerusalem. Two other well-established translation sources confirm that Ahmadinejad was referring to time, not place. The version of the October 26 2005 speech put out by the Middle East Media Research Institute, based on the Farsi text released by the official Iranian Students News Agency, says: “This regime that is occupying Qods [Jerusalem] must be eliminated from the pages of history.” (NB: not “wiped”. I accept that “eliminated” is almost the same, indeed some might argue it is more sinister than “wiped”, though it is a bit more of a mouthful if you are trying to find four catchy and easily memorable words with which to incite anger against Iran.) MEMRI is headed by a former Isareli military intelligence officer and has sometimes been attacked for alleged distortion of Farsi and Arabic quotations for the benefit of Israeli foreign policy. On this occasion they supported the doveish view of what Ahmadinejad said.

    Finally we come to the BBC monitoring service which every day puts out hundreds of highly respected English translations of broadcasts from all round the globe to their subscribers – mainly governments, intelligence services, think-tanks and other specialists. A spokesperson for the monitoring service’s marketing unit, who did not want his name used, revealed that their original version of the Ahmadinejad quote was “eliminated from the map of the world”. As a result of the inquiry and the controversy generated, they had gone back to the native Farsi-speakers who had translated the speech from a voice recording made available by Iranian TV on October 29 2005. Here is what the spokesman told me about the “off the map” section: “The monitor has checked again. It’s a difficult expression to translate. They’re under time pressure to produce a translation quickly and they were searching for the right phrase. With more time to reflect they would say the translation should be “eliminated from the page of history”. Would the BBC put out a correction, given that the issue had become so controversial? “It would be a long time after the original version”, came the reply. Another words, “probably not”, but let’s see.
    Finally, Iradj Bagherzade, the Iranian-born founder and chairman of the renowned publishing house, IB Tauris was asked. He thought hard about the word “roozgar”. “History” was not the right word, he said, but he could not decide between several better alternatives “this day and age”, “these times”, “our times”, “time”.

    So there we have it. Starting with Juan Cole, and going via the New York Times’ experts through MEMRI to the BBC’s monitors, the consensus is that Ahmadinejad did not talk about any maps. He was offering a vague wish for the future.

    A very last point. The fact that he compared his desired option – the elimination of “the regime occupying Jerusalem” – with the fall of the Shah’s regime in Iran makes it crystal clear that he is talking about regime change, not the end of Israel. As a schoolboy opponent of the Shah in the 1970′s he surely did not favour Iran’s removal from the page of time. He just wanted the Shah out.

    The same with regard to Israel. The Iranian president is undeniably an opponent of Zionism or, if you prefer the phrase, the Zionist regime. But so are substantial numbers of Israeli citizens, Jews as well as Arabs. The anti-Zionist and non-Zionist traditions in Israel are not insignificant. So we should not demonise Ahmadinejad on those grounds alone.

    Does this quibbling over phrases matter? Yes, of course. Within days of the Ahmadinejad speech the then Israeli prime minister, Ariel Sharon, was calling for Iran to be expelled from the United Nations. Other foreign leaders have quoted the map phrase. The United States is piling pressure on its allies to be tough with Iran.

    • Flashy

      Jay…I’ll ask you the same I asked a few others. What would you do in the situation today?

      What would you have done the past year or so as far as iran’s nuclear production research and international affairs?

      • Dukeye

        I would take the nuclear option off the table. I would tell the American people that Iran is not an existential threat. I would explain that Iran has every incentive to get a nuke; Pakistan (has nuke) gets subsidies despite harboring terrorists, while Iraq (no nuke) has no terrorists and gets destroyed.

        I would tell the people that Iran is not a country full of suicidal people who are salivating at the chops to take a suicide suitcase nuke to Israel or the US. I would say that should Iran make any move towards attack, Israel will annihilate them.

        I would say that free trade is the best way to long-term peace. After all, the Soviets had hundreds of nukes pointing at us and yet we perservered by keeping the peace and winning economically. I would explain that our national and personal debt is the greatest existential threat we currently face, and fighting an unnecessary war is a slap in the face to people who are losing health/unemployment benefits, jobs, homes, purchasing power from inflation, etc. because our federal government can’t stop spending money we don’t have. I’d be honest with the people, instead of treating them like children who can’t make an informed decision on all available facts.

        I’d tell the American people that we will not enter another war without a Declaration of War from the Congress – this allowing the people to have a say in our military action, and thus following the law (War Powers Resolution, also the Constitution). I would say that we are finally learning our lessons from Eisenhower’s admonition to beware the undue influence of the military-industrial-complex.

        I would explain how we deposed a democratically elected leader in Iran in 1953 (just one example), and how ‘making the world safe for democracy’ is nothing more than propaganda. I would explain how the Gulf of Tonkin incident that started the Vietnam War was a fabricated excuse to go to war. I would explain the lies that caused the Iraq War, and I would show the footage of blown-up children from our ‘Shock and Awe’ assault on a crowded civilian city.

        So, what would you do?

        • DaveH

          Very good, Dukeye. Thank you.

        • Flashy

          wow … excuse me while i catch my breath as i recover from shock. Thank you Dukeye. Well thought out and rational thoughts. gives a very good concise viewpoint and alternative. it will be interesting to read the reactions and comments.

          Me? taking from the time Pres. Obama took office, given the atmosphere was poisoned by the corrupt and incompetent Bush/Cheney regime and the control over them that Big Oil had…

          Iran has a border with several “stans” as well as Russia. China has an influence as they filled the vacuum created by Bush/Cheney. We have to consider the complexities of the Arab world and the Sunni/Shiite issues, the fact that (as Mark in LA pointed out yesterday) Iran is Persian and not Arab (yet is involved in Arab affairs). The Arab Spring Movement has an effect as does our Israeli alliance and the Assad regime being slowly torn asunder. Mix in Iran’s actions in Syria, the fact they have to maintain a direct line for supplying Hezbollah and Hamas, their falling behind in technology and a civil population in unrest. Economically they are a mess.

          Add in while we can most likely operate without the Straits allowing free passage of oil, the remainder of the world cannot, and we rely on the world for our economic well being.

          I’d be hard pressed to suggest anything other than what Obama has done. Do everything possible to keep Iran from having nukes. It is in no one’s best interests, not even Iran’s, for them to have nukes. Short and long term.

          Slowly tighten the noose increasing pressure on iran to allow UN and/or Arab league inspection teams and continuous monitoring and renounce nuke weaponry. In exchange for peace and dropping of sanctions.

          I think this administration is doing a masterful job in playing The Great Game on the international affairs front, including when Iran forst started making noises about closing the Starits, arranging with the industrial countries for all to set aside enough oil reserves as a “Commons” to allow world industrial consumption at current levels for 90 days.

          I guess if I were hard pressed to add anything, I’d say i would make it a world wide open question to Iran…what would you require to renounce nukes and allow UN inspection and monitoring of the nuclear production facilities?

          • DaveH

            Which country has the second largest stockpile of Nuclear Weapons in the World?
            Which is the only country to have actually used a Nuclear Weapon against another country? The victim country, by the way, was an ally to the US in World War I.
            Should the Iranians be allowed to inspect our Nuclear Facilities?

          • Flashy

            Should the UN be allowed? I’d say “yes” if it were part of an overall agreement that everyone’s nuke facilities be inspected and monitored.

            I believe we allowed inspections for the SALT Treaties did we not?

          • DaveH

            Of course Flashman would like to get the UN involved because Flashman is a shill for Big Government which is unaccountable to the people and intrusive on their every personal decision.
            As the people allow Government to centralize far away from the average citizens oversight, there is less scrutiny on the Government which gives them more unaccountable Power, which gives the rest of us less Freedom.
            The minority (which Flashman is no doubt attached to) get to live like parasites on the labors of the rest of us.

        • kkflash

          Thank you Dukeye, for putting it so well.

        • Jay

          Dukeye, although the question was directed at me, your answer is an excellent one, and most appreciated! TY

    • Wendell

      Jay, I am glad you are close enough to ahmadinejad to translate his words into what he actually did mean to say, not what he actually said. What a fool and joke you are.

      • John

        Are you afraid to learn the truth?

      • Jay

        Wendell, your anti-semitism blinds you!

  • James

    “Few people noticed that the Bush Administration fabricated lies regarding weapons of mass destruction.”

    Please provide your proof. We have proof that weapons were used on the Kurds before our invasion, so what lies? We found chemical weapons during my last two tours there as well, just not in large quantities. Then again, if you tell someone that you’re coming for almost two years before you come, then you won’t find much since they will hide it. Have you forgotten the weapons inspections that were denied and harrassed? We also found mortars with hollowed tips for chemical/biological use. It seems in your case, and many others, that history is easily rewritten to fit a narrative, and a lie told enough times comes to be believed as the truth.

    • John

      Remember, the chemical weapons where sold to Iraq by the US for the war against Iran…and yes for the war against the Kurds. Or do you really believe that the US was not aware that Saddam would use them against the Kurds too? The hunt for WMDs was a witch hunt from the start. It was not a hunt for chemical weapons, we KNEW they where there, it was the hunt for nuclear weapons and there where NONE.

      • James

        Sorry, John. You are not correct. I’m not new to this game. I’m a Desert Storm, Provide Comfort, Southern Watch and Iraqi Freedom vet that has a dual background in Infantry and Intelligence. Iraq had a declaring intent of developing nuclear weapons (which is why Israel bombed the Osiraq facility), but we were inspecting for all three: nuclear, chemical and biological. We did so for twelve years before the invasion of 2003. There were 17 U.N. resolutions that built up to the 2003 invasion. Are you are saying that Bush lied in 2002 to start a war in 1990, or 1981 in the case of Osiraq?

        • Flashy

          what is being said is that the invasion by Bush II was not needed. We had Sammy contained and under control. Iraq was not an immediate danger to the US. Bush II lied. Straight up, not a doubt.

          • James

            I am not a defender of Bush, especially since he repeatedly violated the Constitution, but I am a defender of truth and history. Apparently, a lot of people just want to repeat what the media has told them to say. Propaganda works, that’s why it’s used. Control the media, control the mind.

        • John

          what i said was is that Bush lied, we the US sold Iraq the chemical weapons he used in the Iran war and on the Kurds. We KNEW he had them, we got handsomely paid for delivering them to him…plain and simple. The inspectors NEVER found conclusive evidence that Iraq was pursuing its quest for nuclear weapons… The Iraq war to oust Saddam was nothing but an act of private revenge by Bush and our men and women in the military went along with it, not realizing just how much wool has been pulled over their eyes.

          • James

            Private revenge? Is that just your theory, or do you have proof?

      • DaveH

        And when warned in advance by the Iraqi Government of Saddam’s Kuwait intentions, the US ambassador told the Iraqis that the United States took no position on that.

      • James

        John, the ‘James Desert Storm replies are not mine. I’m a purple heart Korean War vet.

    • John

      Moreover, all the weapons inspections where for nuclear weapons only NOT for chemical weapons… the hunt for nuclear weapons that bush was so certain was there, was then turned into the hunt for generic WMDs just so we could say look we found something

  • Karolyn

    I would not be surprised if the recent terrorist attacks attributed to Iran are a setup to gain ppublic sympathy for aggression against Iran. I heard yesterday that we get only 10% of our oil via the Strait of Hormuz.

    • Flashy

      We may receive only 10%…but what of the remainder of the world? And as we are tied into the world economy, not to mention if those Straits were closed those sources we obtain our oil imports from will become VERY busy and supply/demand will have the price skyrocketing in days, if not hours.

      • Karolyn

        It’s a moot point, really. How can Iran possibly “close” the strait?

        • Flashy

          Sink a few tanker ships … target it with missiles ….

        • John

          Easy, the straight and its usable shipping lane is relative narrow and shallow. All you really need to do is sink a few tankers and mine the rest.

          • Karolyn

            Not with our ships there now.

          • John

            Karolyn, Our ships are NOT in the straits, they are past it. Even with our ships there, Iran could just as easy sink a US carrier as they can sink oil tankers. After all at that moment it would not mater as either one would be the start of war. And if war would be their goal, what better target then a US carrier? They do have the ability to take them out. Iran’s shore to ship missiles are nothing to scoff about and a carrier is an awful large target.

          • Flashy

            karolyn….a missle attack on a tanker is all it takes. if our ships are there, they have defend each tanker as they go through (empty or full) as well as the fleet itself. I don’t know how many support ships our carriers require, but i assume it’s many.

            One missile getting through is all it would take.

          • kkflash

            Your military intelligence is clearly lacking if you think it would be “easy” for Iran to sink one of our carriers. The point isn’t worth arguing anyway, because it’s not in Iran’s economic interest to attempt to close the Straits of Hormuz. Any threat to do so is hollow political posturing. Iran is a poor country, even with its vast supplies of oil. Without oil exports through the Straits, their people will starve. So, will they cut off their own hand to spite their face?

          • eddie47d

            Sure you can sink a few ships but Iran also uses the Straits of Hormuz and would cut off their own economy by doing so. Since one third of China’s oil comes from Iran such an act would do more harm than good to Iran.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Karolyn,

          Thank you for the proper use of the word “moot.” I can count on one hand the number of commenters who do so.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • Karolyn

            Thank you, Bob. I was raised by a mother who was not allowed to go to high school (She had to go to work.) and who, as a result, self-educated and was very particular about grammar. I owe my writing ability to her.

        • DaveH
          • Karolyn

            OMG, Dave! If I were that mother, I would be raising hell! How dare they!

          • Karolyn

            According to the news on WABC Charlotte this morning, the only thing the FDA person did was to tell the child it needed milk to go along with his lunch. Much ado about nothing?

  • Dukeye

    Everyone has heard that Ahmadinejad wants to “wipe Israel off the map”, right? Isn’t that justification enough to leave all options on the table, since all of Iran is nothing more than crazy anti-Semites?

    That viewpoint, apparently shared by a majority of Repubs and Dems alike, is based on a lack of historical context, ignorance, and susceptibility to propaganda.

    1) We have been interfering in Iran’s internal affairs since at least 1954, when our CIA aided in deposing the democratically elected Mossadeq (who had the nerve to nationalize the oil fields, kicking the Americans and Brits out) and installing the Shah. This led to the Islamic Revolution and all our problems with the theocracy since.

    2) Yes, Bush/Cheney obviously lied about WMD’s to get us into Iraq. They weren’t the only ones; the Pentagon gave talking points to all those ‘independent military analysts’ you saw on the MSM in the lead-up to Iraq; thus, the MSM was complicit in passing straight-up Pentagon propaganda to you and everyone you know. Yet, you believe everything the MSM and the new president says about the latest ‘existential threat’, our need to keep ‘all options on the table’ etc. Where is the great discernment here?

    3) Yes, Ahmadinejad is a blow-hard and Holocaust-denier. Yet, his term is up next year – why on earth would you want to push the Iranians toward a similar leader by making them feel as if they could be under attack any minute?

    4) Long-term, our safety and peace are not strengthened by this ridiculous policy of permanent aggressive war against ‘rogue states’. Eisenhower said “Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.” And yet here we are again, on the brink of ‘preventive’ war – as if Iran had any more ability to hurt us than Iraq did.

    • Karolyn

      Ahmadinejad is a leader in name only anyway. It doesn’t matter who the people elect. The real leader is the Ayatollah.

  • Scott in SC

    There is no doubt that the US and Israel are assinating Iranians and perpetrating false flag attacks around the world to prepare for yet another unprevoked war against a soveriegn nation.

    • Flashy

      what’s scary is I think I am more aligned with Sirian and Dukeye on this issue than any other …

      I believe it’s already an active undeclared war going on with both sides knocking off , or attempting to knock off, key personnel.

  • http://Hotmail Sam Cecil

    If this administration is gearing up for war with Iran, then why is he cutting the Defence budget so radically and threatening to cut our nuclear arsenal by 80%?

    • John

      The remaining 20% are still enough to let any country think twice about attacking us. Remember we have thousands upon thousands of nuclear weapons and many of them are NOT affected by this.

    • kkflash

      Obama’s proposed budget increases spending from the prior fiscal year, though political and public outcry to trim spending has been massive. He has no intention of loosening his grip on the financial fabric of the nation. It is however, an election year, and he can buy a lot more votes with social redistribution than with military escalation. Don’t worry. He’ll return to supporting the military industrial complex through crony capitalism soon enough, IF we’re foolish enough to re-elect him.

  • PatricHenry

    What kind of an idiot would think that fighting North Korea would
    be easy? Panetta needs to face reality. Our nation has been bankrupted
    by engaging in two needless wars. The Armed Forces are worn out and
    now Iran?
    Americans don’t want or need another war. The man who calls
    himself Obama would find no support from the American People for
    such foolishness. Is this what a Peace Prize winner is supposed to
    do?
    It is all one big act of Fraud. Restore the Republuc by voting for Ron Paul in 2012. He alone is our last hope for true change.

    • Karolyn

      That’s what I don’t get. Why do so many think having another “war” would bode well for the President when most people don’t want any more war?

      • DaveH

        It’s historical fact, Karolyn, that wars rally the blindered citizens behind the President.

        • Flashy

          DaveH … noted you haven’t stated what YOU would do in the situation. Sirian, Dukeye, myself…all have stated our ideas and thoughts. What would you do? (time to look at Mises)

          • DaveH

            I would butt out of other countries’ business, take a moral stance (look it up in the dictionary, Flashman, as I know you’re unfamiliar with that concept), and let the immoral leaders of those countries sort it out among themselves.
            I would trade voluntarily with the world free of Government’s meddlesome Crony Capitalism. The businesses that pleased the consumers would succeed, and those who didn’t would fail, as it should be.

          • DaveH

            I would set an example of moral behavior, and the peace and prosperity that comes with it, for other countries to emulate. Those who chose a different path would be allowed to fail for their mistakes.
            I certainly would never dream of forcing my choices on my fellow man at the point of a gun.

          • Flashy

            In other words, we’d be screwed, blued and tatoo’d.

            Figured. Simple minds cannot grasp complex issues.

          • DaveH

            I figured you would come back with that.
            In truth Ignorant and Unproductive people strive for complexity because it’s much easier to mask their immoral and self-centered behavior behind complex machinations.
            And how many times do I have to remind you, Flashman, that I have exposed your dishonesty and lack of integrity many, many times. So, you’re saying that even a simple-minded guy can upstage you? I wouldn’t brag about that, Flashdunce.

          • Karolyn

            Flashy – If people did not make things so complex, we would be a lot better off. “Keep it simple” is a great adage to live by.

          • Jay

            Flashy, you’re witty, clever, and contentious. What else you got?

          • DaveH

            Pass that doobie this way, Jay.
            ‘Unprincipled’ pretty much sums up Flashman.

  • Bob M

    Since the earliest days of the republic we have been in a constant state of war. Google U.S. conflicts, wars, police actions, interventions; our nation’s military is always fighting someone. It’s what we do, it’s how our economy works, it’s how we employ our young people, it’s how our politicians get elected.
    After two ans a half centuries, how do we change?

    • DaveH

      The Leaders may work that way, but the citizens don’t have to keep falling for the Propaganda that wars are good for economies. To believe they are takes a very large suspension of logic.
      The most prosperous time in our country’s history came in the 1880s between the Civil War and the Spanish American War.

  • http://911justasking.com metroman

    How many false flags to we need before we realize we (the people) are only pawns in this chess game. I just read an articular that said: “Justice Breyer The 73-year-old justice was robbed last week at his vacation home in the West Indies by a man wielding a machete, a court spokeswoman said Monday.” I find that kind of strange that a Chief Justice of the S.C. would have a home in the West Indies. Why the West Indies? Why not in Naples, Fla or some other garden spot of the U.S.?Is that where the NWO guys told him to go when the implode the U.S.? Just Asking? Yes Alice there is a Wonder Land.

    • John

      The question is, will he be able to reach his 2nd home should the crap hit the fan….

    • Karolyn

      Hey, maybe the guy just likes the West Indies.

      • Flashy

        West indies over Florida any day …

        • John

          actually, I prefer French Polynesia.

  • http://jenersea@comcast.net jenersea

    Maybe if the Persians and Syria pulled their troops out of Lebanon, then we would trust them more.

    • John

      Maybe if the US would pull their troops out of the rest of the world, other countries would trust us more?

  • http://DoULoveJesus.Wordpress.com Mark Dabney

    Actually sir, I have lawfully demanded the evidence that we were promised years ago that Bin Laden orchestrated 9/11, that document was delivered on 6 April 2011. Since then, Rep. Phil Gingrey has yet to produce ANY evidence whatsoever that Bin Laden did it – actually he has not responded in any meaningful way – by default he has admitted that there is no actual evidence that Bin Laden did it.

    THE TALIBAN WAS RIGHT – THE “EVIDENCE” THAT THEY WERE GIVEN DID NOT PROVE BIN LADEN CULPABLE FOR 9/11! Apparently Congress was given a TRANSLATION that made Bin Laden APPEAR to be culpable.

    I will provide the letter sent to Rep. Gingrey to anyone that e-mails me @ MarkAnabaptist@ATT.net

    • Dukeye

      It’s no longer on the FBI website, but while he was alive I thought it interesting that Bin Laden was not wanted for 9/11 by the FBI. The U.S.S. Cole and other things, but not 9/11. Did someone forget to update the website for 10 years, or was there not enough evidence?

      • Flashy

        Wasn’t he removed from the list sometime late in the Bush administration?

      • John

        Its a known fact that the Taliban told bush they would hand over Bin Laden if Bush would give them evidence that Bin Laden was responsible for the attack…something Bush was unable to provide. And thus the Afghan war started. i.m.h.o., Bin Laden was Bush’s fall guy on the deal for the 9/11 attack between Bush and the crown prince of Saudi Arabia.
        Bush needed the attack on 9/11 to further his ambitions and the Saudis in exchange got Bush removing Saddam who was a thorn in Saudi Arabia’s side. Remember, all the 9/11 attackers where from Saudi Arabia…none from Iraq, Iran or Afghanistan.

  • hoser

    Ben Bernanke is more of a threat to you and your liberties than Iran. Wake-up people. If you look behind the curtain you will see the British Emperial puppet masters!

  • sanders

    Yes, I do believe the “leaders” of Iran are stupid enough to attempt attacks on targets on US soil. They already attempted to kill a Saudi Diplomat in our country. They don’t care if they are inevitably annihilated so long as they do what’s required of them to supoort the return of the Imam (not sure of spelling) in other words, they are absolutely insane.

    .

    • Karolyn

      The attempt to assassinate the Saudi diplomat was probably another setup, just like the terrorist attacks this week.

    • eddie47d

      That’s nothing compared to all our covert operations around the world Mr Sanders.

  • Nancy in Nebraska

    There has to be a war! The government needs to unite the people in a fight against “the enemy”. While everyone’s attention is focused on “the war” they can do anything they want to manipulate and control us. They can slip through some more laws that further erode our rights and freedoms. They can print lots more money to further erode our economy and the value of the dollar. Everything they do is a “false flag” so that they can control everything and everyone. They are looking at the “big picture” and their goals of implementing communism and Agenda 21 . Won’t it be wonderful when all the patriotic Americans are so busy following the war that we don’t notice what they are really doing? The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were becoming stale. They were no longer a rallying cry. The people have had enough. How convenient that a “new enemy” has come along at just the right time. I don’t know that there is anything we can do to stop them but pay close attention to what they are doing while they say something else.

    • FreedomFighter

      You nailed it!

      Watching The Wheels

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moCf_pghM-U

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • eddie47d

        God Bless the atheist John Lennon who had more morals and love for his children and compassion for society than many of the self righteous crowd.

        • FreedomFighter

          Maybe God will have mercy on him, hope so.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

    • kkflash

      If there were a true and declared war they’d be able to justify far more egregious thefts of our constitutionally guaranteed rights than those already committed, such as confiscation of gold, or mandatory investment of 401k’s in Treasuries. They’d certainly step up the printing presses at the Fed, which would accelerate their plan to devalue the currency and pay off the debt in worthless paper. The sheeple would allow it too, as they rally ’round the flag in time of war.

  • Nancy in Nebraska

    Looking at the other side of the issue, the Islamists in Iran are the “PERFECT ENEMY” because they really do want to destroy us. On the Imprimis (Hillsdale College) website there is a copy of a speech by Brian T. Kennedy the president of the Claremont Institute, titled “It’s Never Just the Economy, Stupid”. http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2011&month=01
    This will give you a very clear and concise view of the Islamists intentions for the rest of us. They are already at war with us and are making great strides without ever firing a bullet. They are infiltrating our country to bring about their goals. I highly suggest that you read this speech. It will only take a few minutes out of your day but will be very enlightening.

    • John

      What are you afraid of? That a group of people will influence this countries future just as did the German, Irish, Russian and uncounted for other immigrants into this country have done ever since this country existed? Do you understand that most of the wealth, freedoms, laws and inventions in this country are BECAUSE of immigrants not despite them? Or are you afraid that a different religion might convert the sheep just like Christians have done in so many other countries? Or is you concern that although they are immigrants like so many others throughout history they are not…gasp..white?

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I am concerned because they are coming not to be a part of something great but because they are coming with a plan to destroy that which is great! Obviously you didn’t take the time to read the speech. You just automatically assume that what I was saying was anti-immigrant or anti any religion other than my own. Well, you just keep drinking the kool aid and jump to the defense of something you are totally ignorant of. Educate yourself lest you become one of the “useful idiots”.

        • John

          Nancy, I still don’t believe they are any different then the immigrants from Germany who wanted to change this country to a new German nation (remember the vote in congress about what language to speak English or German?) or the Irish who hoped to influence this countries future.
          All groups do it to some extent or other. And no, I don’t believe that the person giving this speech is right, I believe he is a xenophobe with an agenda plain and simple.

        • eddie47d

          What does Nancy think of our plans (and that of Britain) to dominate the Middle East for our way of life. Why is it all so different when we do it? Aren’t we brewing trouble and then are shocked when it comes back to bite us.

  • Don

    Sam, figure it out,, it’s all about his muslim (false) faith, Read his books !!!

    • John

      Why do you believe the Muslim religion is “false” you do understand that the vast majority of people on this planet believe the christian faith is false and make believe don’t you? So,tell me what makes the Muslim faith any more right or false then the Christian faith? After all, there is NO conclusive proof for the validity of any of the religions on this planet…that’s why they are called a…. FAITH.

      • Karolyn

        Thanks for that, John.

      • kkflash

        Whether you like it or not, the men who founded this nation and wrote down the principles by which it would be governed, were almost entirely Christian. Yet, they recognized that others around the world didn’t all share their beliefs and provided for an environment in which all could believe as they chose. The danger they recognized, is that political and religious goals be intertwined too greatly, so as to make one indistinguishable from the other, and thereby undermine the freedom of belief that was established. This is what exists in the various Muslim theocracies, and what cannot be tolerated in the USA. That being said, we are a nation, and a world, that overwhelmingly believes in an all-powerful God, and our freedom to worship, follow and abide in that belief in our chosen ways is constitutionally guaranteed and may not be infringed upon by government. Since Islam, by its nature and teachings, cannot abide by this separation, it’s acitivities must be carefully monitored and, if necessary, curbed, to protect the religious and political freedom we all enjoy. (This is also why the Obamacare proclamation pertaining to contraceptives and abortifacients must not be allowed to stand.)

  • DavidL

    Wow, John Myers, I’m impressed with some of your conclusions. You are the first conservative to announce this insight that I have read. You write:

    “Few people noticed that the Bush Administration fabricated lies regarding weapons of mass destruction, and they even spread falsehoods that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was fast friends with the terrorists who struck on 9/11.”

    This is exactly right, and why W. Bush, Cheney, and others are war criminals under international law. Haven’t seen them travel abroad have we? The world community knows what they are.

    You write:

    “Are we to believe that the leadership in Iran is stupid enough to attack Americans within U.S. borders? It sounds like a recipe for Iran to be wiped from the map.”

    Right again. They would be suicidal if they did, and even suicidal if they got violent in the Straits. But if they did get that stupid, I want us to have the capability to successfully solve the problem very quickly.

    If I had a choice between dominating the world or being dominated, I choose to be the empire dominating. I’m sure you agree. We are an empire and we better not let arrogance and stupidity get in the way by, among other things, rubbing it in the face of everyone else. I like Teddy’s view of “speak softly but carry a big stick”, or its present form, “leadership from the back.”

    I’m sure you agree that the world is a very dangerous and unpredictable place. As Churchill said, “if you want peace, prepare for war.” Preparing for war in this context does not always mean American jingoism. There are legitimate issues for which a nation must prepare to defend.

    I like Ron Paul also, but I have a question. Would Ron Paul allow Iran to develop a nuclear weapon?

    P.S. When I was in college in the 70′s, we in the political science department were running war games simulations. The number one hypothetical simulation for the start of World War III that came up time after time was this….Iran gaining a nuclear weapon.

    This is a real issue that the US, and the rest of the international community, had better have a solid handle on.

    • FreedomFighter

      It was all written about thousands of years ago:

      Goin’ By The Book

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEyujOSEexM&ob=av2e

      I read the book, it ends badly for Lucys and Tares.

      Laus Deo
      Semper fi

      • eddie47d

        Great song by Johnny Cash and those who use the Bible or the Koran as excuses for war are the shameless ones.

  • ranger hall

    Mr. Meyers NICE, Well Said.
    BUT When the Powers to Be Blow the Horn, THE SHEEP go Forward to the Slaughter.PRIDE,HONOR,RESPECT. Nothing but Words, Just Like PEACE, Good will To All Men. HISTORY, Wonder why Millions and Millions of People around the World Cannot Change the way A FEW RUN THIS WORLD.

  • al

    John,
    Agree with most of your article except.
    Few people noticed that the Bush Administration fabricated lies
    (Actually the british sources on the ground in Iraq are the ones who rushed to judgement. Every other person that reviewed the reports felt the reports and the conclusions were correct. There were very few dissenters among the congress.
    However, Bush was so eager to have his revenge on SH, that he fully believd the reports. He pushed the war for his own personal reasons, and that was wrong and probably illegal, and he probably exagerated the need.
    But at that time “everyone” or at least the neocon “elite” were convinced of the need. Had Bush or Rumsfeld actually “Lied” then I think they wouldn’t have been able to garner any support. Then again they may have been setup to be the historical bad guys.)

  • Don

    al, i think your last sentence was as close to the truth as anything !!

  • Buck

    Please elect RON PAUL to re-assert our constitution on this dictatorial regime we call government . Please elect RON PAUL to end our costly role of world policeman . Please elect RON PAUL to return our grandchildrens future to them . Please elect RON PAUL to return government to ” by , for , and of the people ” , as was intended . Please elect RON PAUL to reduce the size and POWER our constitution demanded . RON PAUL is our only REAL choice unless all we want is more of the same . Rick Santorum may well be a good conservative but has said NOTHING regarding fixing the needs of out republic and we certainly don’t want Barack Romney .

  • Tazio2013

    False Flag Events: Twenty Point Review

    What is a false flag event? False flag events are anything that has been made to look like something that it really isn’t. “Your” government can create chaos to create diversions away from what it is “really” doing. This deceit has many other purposes such as excuses for control, to pass very unpopular laws, implement martial law, take attention away from sneaky underhanded deals, to stop or delay an event like an election or sway the voters towards a certain side, to make a government look like they are more in control than they actually are, in short anything that requires desperate measures that can’t be solved as usual.

    As long as the government doesn’t end up looking inept, or they don’t get caught, most false flag events can be pulled off. Most people are still gullible enough to believe anything that the news media feeds them. Lets look at 20 false flag events and how they benefit the government, using the United States as an example, but still applies to other countries.

    http://modernsurvivalblog.com/current-events-economics-politics/false-flag-events/

  • ranger hall

    WAR is HELL, And we keep allowing these People to keep pushing US deeper, and deeper, Into HELL.
    KOREA Object was to take back SO. KOREA. We Did, But they wanted to CONTROL NO.KOREA. SO We kept pushing toward CHINA, China asked US WHAT ARE YOUR INTENTIONS,YOu have beat the NO.KOREANS Our Govt did not reply, As we were nearing the YALO River, CHINA again asked WHAT are your INTENTIONS, DO NOT APPROCH The YELO River, WELL WE DID. They had already Heard the remark from OUR High ranking General THAT stated WE should Keep going into CHINA. WELL the Chinese DO NOT WARN YOU THREE TIMES.

    MY Brother was there, He said that Morning was the most Fearful day of his Life WHEN 500,000 Chinese came down those hills,Blowing those Bugles and the sounds of the Burp Guns. He heard those sounds until the day he died. He lost most of his unit,as most units were wiped out, Men seperated from their Units,All being pushed South, Nite and Day,The Chinese were in Control,They pushed us all the way back to the 38th where it all began. Thank Who ever, but they stopped the PUSH, WE did not stop them. He said WE were bringing ships into the Harbors so we could take out Men and Equip. Our People said WE stopped them, WELL some where in the Records, The Chinese had a reserve force of anouther 500,000 just waiting to be Needed. WELL as you know WE Did not want any More, IT ENDED WHERE IT BEGAN. Only change WAS all the Death and Destruction ON both Sides. WE should have let Korea become one Country.
    I still thank My Brother for Teaching me the ways of WAR.We had always been taught that Soldiers Fight Soldiers, Ea. fighting for what he believes to be Right.MAN to MAN, But in Korea he learned that a Soldier does not have to be a Man, It can be MAN,WOMAN,or CHILD,AS long as they have the Means to harm YOU(Weapons).Chinese were good at INSURGENCY. This in no way Means its OK to Kill Innocent Unarmed Civilians. VIETNAM The truth Hurts.

  • terence11

    How can the American people not see this TRUTH? Great article. I wish the American media, in all it’s forms, present these FACTS to the people. Oh! I forgot one LITTLE detail! Who OWNS and CONTROLS the media.?

    • eddie47d

      Sadly it’s Conservative conglomerates who own and control the media even the ones with supposedly Liberal bias.

      • FreedomFighter

        Not so Eddie.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • DaveH

        The old Eddie’s back with his wildly unsupported claims.

  • Cobra-212

    If you plant sufficient seeds, when the “attack on our soil” occurs, few people will react with emotion and never question exactly what occurred. With 9/11 there are many unanswered questions about exactly what occurred and too much actual factual evidence that things were not what they appeared and were “reported” to be. My guess is if Obama wants an event that ignites the people behind a war with Iran, the government is not beyond creating it. In this case it wouldn’t necessarily have to be on our soil. Just take an older, smaller, naval vessel, put it off the coast of Iran, and blow it up, while rescuing most of the crew. Would the U.S. public’s support quickly solidify behind us striking back at Iran?

  • Rick

    “Let us remember that 9/11 was undertaken by renegade terrorists who were offered protection by the government of Afganistan.”
    This is not a true, you must be gating this from Main stream media or you on the wrong side, please most of people’s known what happen. You must state the honest information or not it all.

  • ranger hall

    JOHN Nice, But Not all were SAUDIS, OVER Half.
    NOT much is known about these People, Only what we have been TOLD.
    After Iran and Iraq war SH told Daddy Bush we dont want you in our country, soon after SH was put on the Death List, And then HE and HIS Friends Put the Harshest of sanctions on Iraq. If you go Back you will see thet at Lest two Attempts were tried on SH Life, These two People were SAUDIS. The Talk is that these People were on death Row in SAUDI ARABIA, And was promised Pardon and Money,And if they were KILLED THEIR FAMILIES would be taken care of. This same Proposal was offered for the LIFE OF BIN LADEN..THERE was no Takers. Bin Laden was to Much of an ARAB HERO.
    Just ask and i will give you More.

  • ranger hall

    HERES something to LOOK at and DECIDE. GO see the NEWS REEL when JR BUSH was Notified about the attack on the Towers. WHAT would you do if you were The President and had just received this NEWS..WAS he all There. HE just looked STUPID and continued reading to the Kids. WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN YOUR REACTION AS PRESIDENT…

    IF you were on DEATH ROW And i Promised you Pardon,and Large sums of MONEY if you attempted murder, And also promised to look after you Family if you failed in the attempt. WHAT WOULD YOU DO.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Kiel E Hesselman

    All the talk about what Obama will do in an election year is futile speculation. Facts are that, with the ShariaState, we deal with a Nazi-like SS-state. We are not threatening this mentally darkened Mullahcracy, but the reverse is the case. From one word to another, Ahmadinejad has uttered the same hate-speech venom towards Israel as Hitler did in 1939 towards the Jews of Europe. History has shown that this psychological projection is deadly. The dictator’s themselves believes in their own words. They see deadly enemies all around and point to America and Israel as threatening countries wanting to destroy Iran.
    The Ayatollahs know that their grip of power is declining, and they’ll do all they can take as many with them in the grave as possible. But so did the Nazis! And we won the war! The only way to deal with fascists – it be Nazis, Shinto-fascists or Islamofascists – is to deliver a deadly blow. A blow they’ll never recover from.

    • John

      Wow, way to go and twist history to “”fit”".
      Hitler was a very conservative christian who believed that killing jews was fighting for god. He was the product of the teachings of the RCC at that time that declared the Jews people guilty for all eternity for killing Jesus. Hitlers hate toward Jews and Iran’s leaders hate toward Jews are as different as apples and oranges. I leave you to ponder a few of Hitlers own words:
      Hitler about the Jews:
      I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
      Adolf Hitler
      Mein Kampf
      Hitler about conservatism and patriotism:
      What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the country; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator.

      - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8

      Hitler about his believes:
      Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.

      - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5

      I am sure, you will find a lot more historic evidence to correct your errors in thinking. Most of this evidence comes from books written by his own hands, and by people who wrote down his speeches…before the US rights try to redefine Hitler because they where ashamed of their own christian and conservative connections with a mass murderer.

      • eddie47d

        It’s time for Christians,Conservatives and Muslim leaders to wise up in what they are continually perpetuating on the world. Stop being so ignorant in all this religious indoctrination you force upon different societies for your own glory not God’s glory.

        • FreedomFighter

          Islam is killing the Christians.

          Nobody is force to go to church in America.

          Its about money, power and control on this side at least, they other side “Islam”, you are dealing with fanatic radicals — no deal can be made.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

      • kkflash

        Your quotes are impressive in making your point, but your conclusion in the last sentence is inaccurate, unfounded, unsupportable and downright rude. Christians are NOT ashamed of their beliefs, and do not question those beliefs because a madman twisted them into a reason for mass murder.

      • DaveH

        NAZI, short for — National Socialist German Workers’ Party.
        Hitler’s economic policies?
        “He suspended the gold standard, embarked on huge public works programs like Autobahns, protected industry from foreign competition, expanded credit, instituted jobs programs, bullied the private sector on prices and production decisions, vastly expanded the military, enforced capital controls, instituted family planning, penalized smoking, brought about national health care and unemployment insurance, imposed education standards, and eventually ran huge deficits. The Nazi interventionist program was essential to the regime’s rejection of the market economy and its embrace of socialism in one country”.
        http://lewrockwell.com/rockwell/centralplanning.html

        Sound like anybody we know?

      • AnnaK

        Rubbish. Nobody in NAZI occupied countries like mine,including my mothers family ever thought of them as”Christians” Hitler hoodwinked many stupid Germans ( not all thankfully and they suffered too) by twisting the bible. Who cares what the maniac ever said , as if anyone in their right mind would even believe him especially these days ??I mean you don’t take this crazy mans words even slightly seriously do you ?
        That is what you get when you listen to men and not to Jesus Himself . Pretty obvious Jesus was calling for mercy, love, forgiveness and humility ( the same cannot be said BTW for Islam’s founder for instance, who was the exact opposite of Jesus in his way of life, words actions and teachings)
        The first concentration camps were set up before the war to imprison Hitler’s opponents and the majority were Lutheran pastors and RC Priests ! Bonhoeffer was killed by the Nazi’s he was a famous German Lutheran preacher and was involved in a plot to assassinate Hitler.
        We in Europe have known the truth a lot longer it seems. After the fall of the Berlin wall, much was found in Stasi documents including what Bonhoeffer also knew, that Hitler’s plan after exterminating the Jews was to exterminate the Christians.
        .

  • clyde crow jr

    this war with iran isnt something surprising to us christians and who believe the bible. in the last days in the revelation its been predicted we will go with iran. also predicted 2.5 million will die because of this war. which will bring in the anti christ and isreal and pakistan and other countries will sign a peace agreement because of it. it is time to get right with god, ask him to comeinto your heart and accept him as your lord and savior. we are living in the last days and we will so much more horriable things in the future.

    • John

      Yeah just like that nut that predicted the end of the world last year because of a bible prophecy…. believers of religions have throughout history always proclaimed that certain “prophecies” in their holy books are being fulfilled only to be proven wrong time and again…

      • kkflash

        John, just so I’m clear on your perspective, are you atheist or just agnostic?

  • Bob Marshall

    “Americans buy war like children gobble candy.” Henry Kissinger. Did he ever get it right? This is just one reason Israel will attack Iran with the backing of the U.S. “America is something that can be easily moved.moved in the right direction…They won’t get in the way. Eighty percent of the Americans support us. It’s absurd.” Benjamin Netanyahu. “If tyranny and oppression come to this country it will be in the guise of fighting an foreign enemy.” James Madison. Read the free book with illustrations at http://www.addictedtowar.com. The U.S. will always be at war. Too much money to be made by corporations and contractors involved with wars.Ted Turner once remarked that he was grateful for the war in Iraq.

  • ranger hall

    YES there was a lot of things WRONG with 9/11.
    ONE-IT was responsible for two wars. AFGANISTAN and IRAQ.
    TWO- A lot of People made MONEY, Even the Families of the Dead of 9/11
    I understand all Of them Got Millions. ???.
    THREE- Also allowed the Powers to Be to Take away you Freedoms, Also is allowing them to continue going after IRAN, and SYRIA and maybe LEBANON.and who knows what Others.
    FOUR- And the Worst of all, YOU PEOPLE Look foward to it HAPPENING, And this is the Saddest of all.
    FIVE- GOD and the UN is not going to HELP, The World Powers KNOW They work for them.

  • ranger hall

    What about the HISTORY of the JEWS. I think if you look back, The Jews deserted the Land, They now call ISRAEL. ???. Hundreds of years later they came Back, Did they not Murder all people in their Path, MEN, WOMEN, and CHILDREN on that way Back, Did they not WAR and replace the peoples living on this Land. ALL in the JEWS saying GOD GAVE US THIS LAND.??? Im not that Great on this History .Any help would be nice. all I DO KNOW IS THAT jews STILL pRACTICE THIS KIND OF WAR.

    WW1 and WW2 All surround GERMANY. EVER wonder WHY. Well Just look at WHO had all The Money and Land, And this Might Help. ???

  • ranger hall

    MANIFEST DESTINY. Yes WE will always be at WAR UNLESS the People of the WORLD Just quit Fighting for The POWERS to BE.
    BUT the Powers to Be Know that the People can be Herded like sheep, and its been like this for so Long. MILLIONS and MILLIONS and MILLIONS of People that Listen to so Few. The FEW that want SO MUCH and the MILLIONS that want so Little.

  • S.C. Murf

    I hear people all the time talk about Bush this Obama that,fact of the matter is they are all alike working for the same master, doing exactly what the are told to do by the masters of the NWO and anyone that doesn’t believe this need’s to make that POPPING sound like right now. This world is being run by pure evil, NWO, they don’t care about life, liberty or anything good. They believe in total control, and the know that if they control the minerals of this world then they have the power and control hence the wars in the Mid East. No matter what they say is the reason to be fighting, it comes down to power and control. After spending 2 years in Nam w/Screaming Eagles and seeing first hand as a 19 year old kid the horror’s of war THEY cannot have my son. When he turned 18 he wanted to join the military with a friend, he’s 24 now and it would have put him in Iraq. I started talking to him and didn’t stop until he changed his mind and man was I out of breath, it took me awhile but I got him turned around, praise Jesus. If they want the minerals then let them send their sons and daughter’s to fight, but they won’t cause they believe the have ours the can use as cannon fodder To the men and women on this site, C at Birth,JeffH, Bear, FreedomFighter, OldHenry and all the women who profess freedom and goodness don’t ever quit Talking, don’t ever stop standing up to the evil that even rears it’s ugly head on this site, stay strong and get them to make that POPPING sound.

    up the hill
    airborne

  • Tazio2013

    Israel teams with terror group to kill Iran’s nuclear scientists, U.S. officials tell NBC News / FYI

    http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/08/10354553-israel-teams-with-terror-group-to-kill-irans-nuclear-scientists-us-officials-tell-nbc-news

  • Tazio2013

    The World the Elites Remade? / FYI

    The truth – as Internet alternative history shows us – is that there IS an elite, one that directly straddles at least three “countries” (Israel, Britain and the US) and somewhat more indirectly controls the EU, Middle East, Africa, etc., as well. It uses myriad economic and socio-political resources to build world government. This explains why the policies of so many nation-states significantly depart from the desires of the civilian populations.

    Search the Internet. Read up. There’s no mystery to it anymore. The ruling elites have set up economic, military and political systems that purport to represent the views and aspirations of “citizens” but actually realize the goals of the organizing elites – which is seemingly world governance, including a global central bank and global currency.

    But if people begin to believe that they are NOT in control, that it is all an elaborate charade, then the mercantilist control now exercised by the Anglosphere will gradually fail. Those in charge will have to show the real face of power, not a healthy prescription in a modern age filled with angst and anger.

    And so these sorts of dominant social themes will continue to be promoted. We will continue to be informed that nation states are run by their citizens and that military might and the empires that wield it are necessary to protect “civilization.”

    The problem the elites have to grapple with is that this fundamental meme is increasingly unpersuasive as time goes by and more and more information emerges. Maybe that explains the current manic attacks on the Internet.

    As people increasingly discover the truth, those at the top are increasingly desperate to hide it.

    http://www.thedailybell.com/3599/Anthony-Wile-The-World-the-Elites-Remade

  • George B.

    President Obama is not a Republican looking to enrich his parties coffers. He is doing the peoples business as best the Congress will allow. He did not create the circumstances, he is just trying to protect America and it’s interests.

    • kkflash

      Obama isn’t “doing the people’s business”, unless you think the people’s business includes destruction of our currency, spending us into bankruptcy, systematic infringement of our natural and constitutional rights, and elevating himself and his office to a level of power never contemplated by our founders.

  • Tazio2013

    US Implausibly Denies Role in Israeli Terror Squads

    US funds, shelters, arms, and trains MEK terrorists for years, now attempting to pawn full responsibility off on complicit Israeli government.

    Tony Cartalucci, Contributing Writer
    Activist Post

    The British Daily Mail published a stunning admission by “US officials” that Israel is indeed funding, training, arming, and working directly with US State Department listed terrorist organization, the People’s Mujahedin of Iran, also known as Mujahedeen e-Khalq (MEK).

    The Daily Mail article states, “U.S. officials confirmed today that Israel has been funding and training Iranian dissidents to assassinate nuclear scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear program.” The article continues by claiming, “Washington insiders confirmed there is a close relationship between Mossad and MEK, according to NBC, but said the U.S. was not involved.”

    Of course, this is an overt lie, exposed by 3-4 years of documented collaboration between the United States and MEK, including an extensive conspiracy formulated within US policy think-tank Brookings Institution’s 2009 “Which Path to Persia?” report, proposing to fully arm, train, and back MEK as it waged a campaign of armed terror against the Iranian people.

    http://www.activistpost.com/2012/02/us-implausibly-denies-role-in-israeli.html

  • Tazio2013

    David Icke on Terrorism, ‘Totalitarian Tiptoe’ and the Coming Post-Industrial Technocracy / FYI

    Daily Bell: Is the New World Order becoming a reality?

    David Icke: Yes, it is becoming a reality by the day, quite demonstrably. The projections of the plans that were in my books in the 1990s, like And the Truth will set you Free, which I wrote in 1994, are playing out on the television news now. It’s kind of surreal to me to watch it. So yes, it is happening.

    http://www.thedailybell.com/3578/Staff-Report-David-Icke-on

    Daily Bell: We’ve been arguing lately that people ought not to use the word Zionism but should call the elite a mafia, even a Jewish Mafia – one that hires ‘Jewish’ people the way that the Italian Mafia hires Italian Catholics. Why is it that the alternative news media is so intent on the using the word Zionist? What is a Zionist? Doesn’t using the word confuse the issue? Isn’t the issue really one of organized crime?

    David Icke: Well, this is a very big area and one I am happy to speak about because I have been speaking about it for a long, long time. There are many people in the alternative media who won’t go here but they need to big time, to understand what’s happening, mostly they are frightened of the consequences. I am not interested in consequences; I’m interested in what’s happening. Consequences will take care of themselves.

    What has happened is that there has been a massive mind manipulation going on that has caused people to acquaint the word Zionist with Jewish, as if every Jew is a Zionist. Now, quite demonstrably that is nonsense. There are significant numbers of Jewish people who not only don’t support Zionism but venomously oppose it, but because they have equated in the public mind that Zionism equals ‘the Jewish race,’ then if you challenge Zionism, you must be anti-Semitic (which actually means anti-Arab but that’s another story).

    Anyway, I call it, whenever I use the term, Rothschild Zionism, because I want to closely underpin that which created it, and that which controls it to this day for its own ends. Zionism in its public persona is a political philosophy that believes its own things should happen. But at its core it’s a secret society, as much a secret society that anyone could name. The Rothschild’s control it.

    Daily Bell: Give us your opinion about 9/11? We ask this question almost weekly but would like to hear form you.

    David Icke: I published one of the first books on 9/11, called Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Centre Disaster – Why the official story of 9/11 is a monumental lie. It’s my view, that this was a combination of American military intelligence – we talk about the CIA but it’s all military intelligence, whatever they may say. That includes the Israeli military intelligence, which is actually the enforcement arm of the House of Rothschild, it doesn’t represent the interests of Jewish people or Israel, it represents the interests of the Rothschilds. And somewhere, without question, British military intelligence would have been involved, it always bloody is. [ The Four Horseman of the Post 9/11 Apocalypse; i.e., CIA/DoD, Mossad, MI-6, Saudi Intelligence].

    The idea was to create a massive outrage that could be used to justify what’s been in the plan for a long time before that and to justify a war on terror. Of course, the War on Terror is George Orwell’s “war without end.” If you have a war between two or more countries, at some point someone is going to overcome the other. But when you have a war on terror, how can you say the war on terror has ever been won? You can’t. Thus you have a never-ending war – not a real one, but a fake one, but non the less, one that justifies ongoing changes in society.

    Daily Bell: Has the Internet made a difference in exposing the one-world conspiracy?

    David Icke: Well, this is a paradox, really, because the answer to that is we would be so far back on the road of human awareness of this without the Internet. We really would. See, the Internet, the control system, is a two-edged sword. It has extraordinary benefits for them. You can get a profile of someone very quickly just by following surfing habits, email and such, which makes it a cinch to keep track of someone so it’s very useful to them. It is also a very good mass-programming device.

    But the drawback for them it that it serves as a vehicle for information about them they don’t want circulating. So what they are trying to do now is to keep the best, from their point of view, and they will try as hard as they can to censor the rest. For me, the Internet now is very much the genie out of the bottle. There are people out there now that are more computer, Internet savvy than what the controllers have. So it has been a tool that has exposed them and they realize that it is happening more and more.

    We know it’s not popular in the alternative media as it is currently constituted to make the point that what is taking place is multi-generational CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY. (We know even Mr. Icke may disagree with this.) But look … the motivating force of the New World Order is MONEY not RELIGION. There are people and organizations involved from every part of the globe. That’s how big it is.

    And that’s why we should be clear. At the very heart of the current conspiracy, the driver is MONEY. Central bank, fiat/monopoly money. And what surrounds the extraordinary privilege of controlling this counterfeit global currency is murder, mayhem and malevolence. These are the attributes of sociopathic people intent on retaining their grip on power.

    Murder, mayhem and malevolence. The signifiers of organized crime.

  • Tazio2013

    As Predicted, CIA-Sponsored Muslim Bros. Becomes Enemy / FYI

    Free-Market Analysis: In a series of groundbreaking articles (beep, beep, alert: self-promotion ahead!) we have tried to establish (with some success in our view) that the Anglosphere power elite has been using the State Department and the US military to overthrow secular Middle Eastern and African regimes.

    We have also pointed out that the logical successors were Islamic fundamentalist regimes. We have explained in the past year, in probably half a dozen articles or more, that radical groups like the Muslim Brotherhood were positioned to take over in numerous countries. Just search the ‘Net for the terms “Muslim Brotherhood” and “Arab Spring” and “Daily Bell.”

    Surprise, surprise … that’s exactly what’s happening. Like clockwork, the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood is being cast as the latest Islamic bogeyman. It’s forming a government in Egypt and providing the Anglosphere’s bought-and-paid-for US columnists plenty of content for frothing-at-the-mouth anti-Islamist op-eds.

    No doubt about it. Who would have thunk it? Well, we did because we realized that the war on terror was running out of energy. A new enemy was necessary, or at least an elaboration of what had come before. And now it’s occurring.

    The elites are now apparently aiming at a war with Iran. Yet there is significant evidence that the Anglosphere elites helped engineer the initial Iranian Revolution back in 1979. We have written about this numerous times. Our most recent article is here: Western Elites Caught ‘Red-Handed’ in Iran?

    It is also well known that the CIA has various strategic relationships with the Muslim Brotherhood, which is not a young organization. If the Muslim Brotherhood begins to take over Egypt and other Middle Eastern countries, you can bet that at the very top there is some form of communication and cooperation between the Brotherhood and Western Intel. Don’t believe us? Just Google “Mulsim Brotherhood” and “CIA.”

    By pursuing warlike manipulations when there is substantive information showing quite clearly the stage-management that is taking place, the elites are not doing themselves any service. They are actively undercutting the memes they are trying to establsh. How does one go about creating a war when the facts themselves are in question along with the “enemy?”

    Until the power elite solves the Internet – renders it harmless as a debunking mechanism – the very strategies that the elites used to such great effect in the 20th century will become continually less effective in the 21st. When anyone can see for himself just how extensive the web of untruths has become, then the credibility of the larger conversation is signficantly eroded. People cease to believe. Globalism itself becomes less convincing.

    In fact, this undercutting of the faux-cultural fabric that the elites wove with such energy in the 20th century is becoming a crisis for them in the 21st. The more they turn to their “tried and true” formulas to continue to maintain control, the more questions they themselves are raising.

    Conclusion: It is always this way with the Anglosphere elites. Wars, “Cold Wars,” tensions between competing political systems and religions – they are always configured in the modern era so that the City of London and its enablers and associates are in control of BOTH sides. We told you so.

    http://www.thedailybell.com/3618/As-Predicted-CIA-Sponsored-Muslim-Bros-Becomes-Enemy

  • Joe

    We may be spending big to maintain bases in Europe, but doing so helps in the current and coming conflicts. We have a good relationship with Germany, Italy and Greece and bases in Europe were handy when we had to evacuate wounded from Iraq. Those bases are much closer to Iran than is the continental USA, so attacks from there are faster, marshalling and evac are easier and more efficient and missiles from Europe could strike Iran if they get too full of themselves. Don’t count them out just because 74-year-old Ron Paul, a non-combat veteran, doesn’t see their value.

  • Marine72

    All a good read until you subscribed to the liberal noise “Bush Lied”. Mr. Murray, I might suggest that you just stick to the investment advice of which I accept that you are an expert. As a Marine officer recalled from retirement to go to Iraq in 2005, I and all military members in Iraq knew and had to deal with the leavings of the WMD’s of Saddam Hussein. We all have our own beliefs on this subject, please don’t show your ignorance by trying to impress those of us who were their. Instead of the tired ‘rant’, “Bush Lies”, how about BHO “Flips Congress the Bird”. Amazing how he engineered many times the Afghanistan American KIAs of the Bush years in three short years versus the previous 8, and we do not even see the caskets at Dover? That’s right, the LSM is in the tank for Obozo just like they were for Kennedy/Johnson. They turned on Johnson in a short time, yet the idiot Media continue to have ‘wet dreams’ over Obozo as he continues the useless bloodshed.

    As a fellow American who doesn’t ever want to send a letter to a serviceman’s family for a useless war, I am truly worried of not only Obozo’s potential to start an Iranian exchange on any pretext; but I wonder if you previously hammered him on his other illegal wars against foreign peoples (Sudan, Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Egypt, Tunisia, to name a few).

    Please continue your good work on the world of investments and cast your one vote in the upcoming election.

  • ranger hall

    JAMES-BUSH and his people were looking for anything that could be called WMD. WE did not supply them that much in the IRAQ and IRAN WAR. HOW MUCH and WHAT Chemicals did you FIND, HOW many SHELLS did you find, WERE any of these shells LOADED with Chemicals. Most likely NONE.
    VERY little Chemicals was used againest Iran and the Kurds, THE kurds were an Enemy of IRAQ, They pushed the war,SH left them along, HE could have wiped them out at any time. The Kurds want to be a seperate Country, They want the Power and Money for themselves, They do not want to share with the rest of Iraq. WITH OUR help they have obtained this.JAMES from serving two tours i see that you did not learn a lot.

  • ranger hall

    WE were already at WAR in the South,BUT we were not doing so Good,WE had to have an EXCUSE to BOMB NO.VIETNAM, Hoping this POWER would change there outlook, SO we staged the Gulf of Tonkin incident, NOW we can Bomb the North.
    WELL we just did not understand the PEOPLES WILL to Fight
    A soldier came to VIETNAM in the Early days, came off the Plane stood in formation on the tarmac, I asked him what he was doing here, He replied I am going to kick some chink ass and be home in 90 days, Well i seen this young soldier about 2 months later in the Bush, and asked him how things were, He looked up at me and said, I guess their CAUSE is better than mine, WE have all the POWER IN THE WORLD and these Little People Just keep on Fighting with not very much.ITS not what we were told it would be. I just wish i was back home, He was killed later that afternoon. WELL he did make it back home in 90 Days.

  • john scanlon

    Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, were all wrong!!!Iran and North Korea would be even more wrong!
    I very much agree with Ron Paul,even though I’m a Obama democrat.Stop brutal,unnecessary wars.

  • John Dillon

    I am a Nam vet having served in the Marines from 1963-67; my nephew, also a Marine serving in Iraq, lost his life to an IED in 2006. I look back on my service and the supreme sacrifice made by my nephew with mixed emotions; proud Marines but used in a most vile way by the so-called powers that be. In my opinion this country has not engaged in a justifiable war since we fought the Axis powers of WWII. Had I been wiser at the time, I should have joined the emigres to Canada instead of volunteering for military service.

    • Dan Gray

      When someone enlists they are signing up to be a soldier. That’s the deal. It is their job to train for and fight in wars. That’s what they get paid to do. Sadly they may get killed. Sadly they may kill others. But that’s the deal. There is no draft. If you don’t like the deal, don’t enlist!

  • ranger hall

    I had a cousin in the Marines, went to VIETNAM. I seen him when he signed up for his Second tour. I asked Him why did you sign up again, You dont believe in this War, He replied its for all these young Boys that come here beliving they are worth 10 of the VC. Well i just need to see how many of these young Heros i can get back Home alive.My cousin was a Sgt and 20 years old at the time, I was 22 and they called us Papa, Even the ones that was older than us. A lot came home,a Lot did Not.
    Reminds me of a young farm boy, not much did he know about worldly things, most of the boys did not get along with him, Heck he thought White Fury and Her twin 44s Was a WESTERN MOVIE. Well one day out in the Bush the unit came under heavy attack a lot of losses. A grenade landed in the middle of the group, HE was the only one who jumped on top of it. WHY would a person jump on a grenade to save lives of people thst did not even care for him.

  • Bernice Cutrone

    Hey John—Where do you get such crap:
    “Bush Administration fabricated lies regarding weapons of mass destruction, and they even spread falsehoods that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was fast friends with the terrorists who struck on 9/11.”
    You are out of your mind— and if you believe such insanity–I don’t care to read any more of your articles. You’re somewhere in the land of Oz.

  • Joe Joe

    Ok, I’m just gonna say it, since no one else seems to have the nutsack to do it. ARREST every single one of these traitorous pieces of shit. We have an illegitimate president who blatantly lies in our faces and is doing everything in his power to destroy our country. Then theres Eric “chicken neck” Holder, running guns into Mexico (see Fast and Furious) and allowing drugs to be shipped back in, all the while with the intent of destroying our second amendment right to bear arms. The list goes on and on. Probably 95% of congress and the senate are crooked and on the take. They think nothing of selling out America for a few bucks in their pocket. It’s all fairy dust and sunshine until these maggots get to Washington, then all “promises” go out the window. It’s really sick what we’ve allowed America to become. Every single one of these worthless, sell-out dog turds needs jailed for LIFE. WAKE UP AMERICA!!! These deuchebags have stolen everything for their masters (that would be the elite, aka-the puppet masters) and trying to put every American into poverty. Time to send them to hang out with Tyrone and Bubba for a while, a very long while! If I had my way, we wouldn’t waste the food on them, or the air that it takes.

  • Barbara Krause

    I, myself, have a hard time believing that any foreign country attacked us on 9/11. Implosions prove it but we’re suppose to play stupid and ignore it. Everyone seen it that day, and souls cried out because of it. So in the long run, innocent foreigners have to die for someone’s selfish reasons. The Bible says one world Government, if we aren’t FREE then we’re Communist! Love the comment about who’s really calling the shots?

  • Barbara Krause

    Are there any Five Star Generals left?

  • simian pete

    It sure doesn’t look like a good situation ! It’s damned if you do or don’t – y’know , but we could change it into a win win scenario !

    Ron Paul isn’t going to get elected unless some of you very rich $$$$ conservative types don’t start taking control of the Repub party …

    1984 was made into a movie, Mr. Myers, you should get a copy ? I wonder if it’s on Dvd ? Ha Ha !

    Still time to win.

    One reason why Iran hasn’t sunk the US Navy ships in the Hormuz Kill Zone – they probably feel that Ron Paul might be elected President. So every time the Republicans cheat and declare Ron Paul a loser in the primaries the Iranians lose a little more hope.

    Israel also loses a little more hope every time Ron Paul loses a primary. Israeli foreign policy will always be interfered in by Washington,DC rulers. With a Ron Paul victory, Israel will no longer be under the thumb of US policy makers.

    Putting American troops into Israel does help. But does Israel need American troops ? Israel needs their Air Force modernized – that would be a better solution ! !! Their F-15′s and F-16′s are falling apart. How about we give Israel some NEW modern F-15′s (like the ones we are giving Saudi Arabia) .

    The F-35 is having problems with the Marine variant – but the other two variants probably can be given to Israel, (Go with the Navy one ! it will probably last longer !) how about ramping up manufacturing some F-35′s and F-18 Super Hornets for Israel’s protection ? Like within the next few weeks ?

    Keep Israel well armed, but also allow Israel self-determination. That’s good US foreign policy. It’s a lot cheaper than what we are doing now ! Denying Israel access to weapons (like the F-35) for bogus reasons , is wrong !!!! Let the IDF operate the equipment, no US soldiers needed except for maybe some trainers …

    Mr. Obama

    • simian pete

      could stand for some good advice from the simian dude !!

  • Thomas Foley

    Spot on. Great take.

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    Mein Kampf – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf -
    Max Amann, head of the Franz Eher Verlag and Hitler’s publisher, is said to have …. of what he believed to be the world’s twin evils: Communism and Judaism. … Jews a “disease” and “vermin,” and all of whom Hitler cites as an inspiration in Mein ….. After the party’s poor showing in the 1928 elections, Hitler believed that the time is to use different measures.

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      The streets of our country are in turmoil. The universities are full of students rebelling and rioting. Communists are seeking to destroy our country. Russia is threatening us with her might and the Republic is in danger. Yes, danger from within and without. We need law and order. Without law and order our nation cannot survive. Elect us and we shall restore law and order.Adolph Hitler:1931

  • Raymond Carl

    Our fling at Imperialism has blinded the perpetrators of the military industrial complex and they are not considering the effects of all these continual invasions on the thoughts and eventual actions of Russia, China, and their allies! The foreign press releases paint a picture of growing suspicion and hostility towards the US by China, and Russia and their allies, and their continuing weapons upgrades and inventions which are designed for the express purpose of being capable to wage war against the US and survive no matter what the cost. Validamir Zerinovsky as speaker of the Duma not long ago in a European press interview said that eventual war with the US would force Russia to Nuke NATO and the US if we continually encroached on the borders of Russia and her Allies. Since the signing of the Shanghai Organization of Cooperation (SOC Treaty) between Russia and China and their allies any attack upon one is stipulated as an attack upon all. The members include Syria and Iran. How far will we the US push until the Chinese, Russians, and their allies finally think an unthinkable thought, that they must unleash their ICBM’s and other misslery of absolute destruction upon us in a predetermined and coordinated attack allowing us little response time. Their joint maneuvers in the past 5-years have been designed for such a scenario if War with the US becomes inevitable in their estimation. The former Chief of the Russian Joint Chiefs and a current advisor to their Government, was recently interviewed on Al-Jazerra and he expressed the fact that Iran is an ally to Russia and China and if attacked by the US, or Israel under the guise that it is a necessary military action, the Russian and SOC partners will not stand idly by. Russia has their stealth subs the Iconoclast subs, which have a massive warhead capability, and American intelligence knows that at least three of these subs along with a contingency of other subs on full time deployment within 100 miles of our East and West coast lines, and that gives these subs a strike capability from launch to impact of under three minutes. It is true that we have similar capability with our Tri-Dent subs but the point here is no longer mutual destructive capability, but political antagonism by the US in flagrant disregard for the sovereignty of other nations based on our own speculative intelligence and its use in influencing other nations in our rationale for using military destruction. This has now fostered a new dimension in the Chinese and Russian Governments suspicions of our true motives in the use of military force, and what they negotiate and plan in their private partnership meetings could very well be the thoughts of the here-to-fore unthinkable use of weapons that have an unimaginable capability, because in their view no other course of action will be acceptable.

  • AnnaK

    Was Ron Paul against the recent NATO intervention into Libya ? I hope so. I have no idea I am European. I was against it , seemingly one of the few that did not believe in the sheer hysteria at the time and excuse we were “on the side of the rebels fighting for democracy” sure…..It will be the same as in Iran, now Egypt. ( Speaking of hysteria they are shouting there for a “new holocaust” So where is the new Hitler folks? In the West, or in the ME ?) Carter supported the Ayatollah in Iran, also a democrat, and now we have BO…going down the same road it seems.Leave alone, face the consequences. get involved, face the consequences. Sooner or later we will face them so let us not pretend anyone has the answers !

  • Lesismor

    A poorly thought out, poorly researched article.

    You said “Few people noticed that the Bush Administration fabricated lies regarding weapons of mass destruction, and they even spread falsehoods that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was fast friends with the terrorists who struck on 9/11.”

    Really? I recall quite clearly the Liberals calling Bush a liar and a terrorist and accusing him of fabricating evidence.

    You said. “No sovereign nation has attacked U.S. soil since World War II. (Of course, this doesn’t include U.S. embassies or other American targets on foreign soil.)”

    Wrong! 9/11/2001 was an attack on American soil however you choose to downplay it. Try to remember that 3000 people were murdered by Islamofascists who flew planes into World Trade Ctr and the Pentagon. Most recently is there is the Ft. Hood, TX massacre where an a Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah. For a list of terror attacks on US soil go to:
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AmericanAttacks.htm

    The you said “Are we to believe that the leadership in Iran is stupid enough to attack Americans within U.S. borders? It sounds like a recipe for Iran to be wiped from the map.”

    Not stupid, insane. Too many people insist on judging the Middle East and specifically Iran by our modern, western Judeo-Christian values. They are not like us. They don’t believe what we believe. They have different values. They are not joking. There is no ‘live and let live’ with Iran; that is against their principles.
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  • COAL MINER

    HERE IT IS!

  • COAL MINER

    The Holocaust Was A Hoax – YouTube
    http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D3X2vUMh9Hr0 – Cached
    Sep 9, 2008 … READ THIS! before you leave comments calling me a Nazi or saying i’m full of crap watch the video. Theres solid proof in it that the Holocaust …

    • AnnaK

      more rubbish ! There are still eye witnesses to the Jews being taken, monuments to them are to be found in every city, town and village even hamlets here in the Netherlands.
      They went somewhere, thousands & thousands of them never to be seen of again so where did they go ? People like you believing such nonsense don’t have a clue, were not around as my family were (and they also hid /save some Jews, so such ridiculous theories are an insult to all from that time) Just about all conspiracy theories these days originate from the Islamic world.This is what many people should wake-up to : False & lying propaganda ! It worked for Goebbels and the other Nazi’s once & it is working again.Soon all eye witnesses of those terrible times will have passed on and then…everyone will believe anything, like you. God help us.

  • http://gravatar.com/lowlywise lowlywise

    An excellent article. It changes my mind about unsubscribing to this forum. It particularly appreciate Mr Myers’ use of Orwell’s 1984, which pinpoints much of what underlies thinking on the origins and perpetuations of wars.

  • jeannie thorn

    Not one mention of Israel in this article. Not one mention of the lunatic from Iran vowing on international broadcasts that he wants to wipe Israel off the map.
    Thats first, and for second….. I will vote against Obama no matter what.

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