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Vote Republican? Bah!

June 29, 2012 by  

Vote Republican? Bah!
A member of the Tea Party Patriots protests against Obamacare in front of the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court ruling to uphold Obamacare strikes to the heart of an argument used by the Republican Party to accept the unconservative and unpalatable candidates — Mitt Romney, John McCain, George W. Bush, Bob Dole, George H.W. Bush — it continues to hoist as its standard bearers for President: You must vote Republican in order to ensure conservatives are appointed to the bench.

So-called “conservative” Chief Justice John Roberts (appointed by George W. Bush) joined decidedly activist justices appointed by Bill Clinton and Barack Obama to allow the Federal government to force Americans into government-run healthcare programs or pay a penalty.

Of course, healthcare in America should rightfully be called deathcare. There is no desire from the mainstream medical community to cure disease. There is too much money to be had from continually treating disease and making people sick through government-mandated vaccinations.

The elites and bureaucrats who run government and the regulatory agencies accept big money from Big Pharma and the conventional medicine cabal to restrict healthcare choices. They frown on alternative medicine. Their public relations arm in the mainstream media works overtime to deride alternative treatments, natural supplements and healthy eating choices as quackery.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture is doing all it can to quash the supplement industry. It restricts access to natural foods like raw milk. It allows genetically modified foods to be passed off as natural and approves the use of harmful hormones and antibiotics in poultry, beef and pork. Its so-called well-regulated Big Agriculture processing plants are rife with harmful bacteria (creating disease and sparking recalls) and the egregious treatment of farm animals. Small, organic farms are forced out of business, despite producing healthier products.

The Food and Drug Administration pushes drug use and approves drugs that come with warning labels a mile long and allows big food companies to use unhealthy additives (like high fructose corn syrup) and call imitation fruit products real fruit, but prevents sellers of all-natural products like walnuts and cherries from touting their health benefits.

So now, thanks to a “conservative” Supreme Court appointee, more bureaucrats get to decide what is and what isn’t acceptable medicine. Yeah, let’s count on Republicans to preserve our rights.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Michael J.

    Dear Bob,
    Now that the elites have effectively taken Ron Paul out, and lured his son to the dark side of the force, what options remain?

    • soldier

      Well, as I presume you are a man, harden your balls if they aren’t hard anyway and engage in full noncompliance and prepare to defend yourself when the IRS wants to go Waco on you.

      If not, well enjoy dying early (litterally) under Obamacare and being poor.

      • Ron

        So called patriotism, The first refuge of a scoundrel!

      • Robert Smith

        Let’s see WHO makes the decision about health care.

        On one hand you have a corporate flunkie in India (a job that should be in the USA) telling my doctor he can’t prescribe the medicine I need.

        On the other hand there is an AMERICAN deciding. Maybe he works for the government and maybe it’s a subcontractor but you can bet it better be an American.

        Your choice.

        BTW, how much is the president of the insurance company getting? I’ll bet he gets paid more than the President of the United States of America. So, who do I want to manage my health care? I want it managed in America.


      • Michael J.

        Freedom and Liberty… On these things I am so focused, that I often start fires with only a passing glance.

      • GALT

        ” To conquer, first DIVIDE!”

        “A man must live by his work, and his wages must be at least enough to maintain him.
        They must even on most occasions be somewhat more: otherwise it would be impossible for him to bring up a family and the RACE of such workmen could not last beyond the first generation.”

        As it was in beginning, now this is no longer a concern…….this race has no value, so they have no need of those unalienable rights that government was instituted to secure…….

        Vote early, vote often………assist this race to its final resting place…….gotta be the best con ever………convincing the eventual victims to vote for their own demise…….the only sad part will be that they will miss the punchline……..watching the “producers” eating their gold.

      • http://none Claire

        Obamacare is bad? Hell, it couldn’t be much worse than what we have now. As far as I am concerned, the so-called “death panels” and crap have been going on for a long time. Have any of you had problems with your insurance companies during your lifetime?
        I will remind everyone of a situation my son is dealing with. He had an earlier heart attack in July, 2004 and 5 stints were put in. This was 8 years ago. He had a heart attack over Memorial Day weekend. And now the 3 stints in the left main artery to the heart are blocked. The heart doctors want to repair the 3 stints and my son’s insurance company doesn’t want to pay for “something that was already fixed.” Sure, the problem was “fixed” but that was 8 years ago and now the 3 stints are blocked and must be repaired. The heart doctors are fighting with the HMO and my son was told this could go on for several weeks. It has been a month already. My son is on a lot of medication. I have known and heard of numerous people with the same HMO that have had and are having problems getting them to pay for anything. But the HMO sure likes to reap the premiums. The name of the HMO is “Health Alliance.”
        I hope none of you will ever experience a situation like this.

    • Bob Livingston

      Dear Michael J.,

      “…That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just power from the consent of the governed…” We must no longer give our consent.

      Best wishes,

      • Bobby

        Exactly Bob, thanks for what you do. Our Republic is lost, and we alone must fight to get it back. There are people in this world who know that the evil which surrounds us – will ultimately fail – so we must have courage, strength, and faith that righteousness will will prevail. w/3VOL

      • TIME

        Dear Bob,

        Well said, thats the very corner stone of the issue that simple word
        { CONsent }

        Its long past the TIME for the people of the 50 states to rise up and just say – “NO MORE!”

        Forget the Voting, its 100% rigged, saddly its either TIME to submit totaly – or to make a stand if one believes in Freedom.

        The facts are really quite clear even to the blind that we have a Nation under “FASCISM” saddly its been that way for over 150 years.

        The people of this nation just had their “Let them eat CAKE” Moment that was the day that all eyes really should have opened,
        ( 28 June 2012.)
        Not that 31 December 2011 was not horrific – the NDAAct, or 11 September 2001 that brought us the UN-Patriot Act – yet the dates of criminal acts toward the American people is so long its in its self criminal that the American people have let this go on for so long.

        What was written in black whale ink on hemp paper by a small group of people who knew that if they were taken by the Crown the only option for them was DEATH, as they would hang with out question.

        Its now our turn to rekindle the flames of Liberty with the very methods noted on that instrument of Freedom.

        Peace and Love,

      • GALT

        What rights would they be securing……….? Isn’t the act of voting……..CONSENT?
        Where are the common law and equity courts? Who OWNS the FED?

        I would disagree with YOUR premise, Mr. Livingston…….if you had one.

        • Bob Livingston

          Dear GALT,

          You write: “What rights would they be securing……….?” Perhaps you should read the rest of the document? But based on an earlier discussion, I know you know.

          Best wishes,

      • Flashy

        Dear Mr. Livingston:

        It has been obvious since before this President was sworn into office your “consent’ was not given. Lucky for this Nation and for the Middle Class, there were the many who gave the consent. And, with fortune smiling upon this great nation again in November, we will have another four years of this administration and quite possibly a majority of Moderates in Congress to carry the fight on behalf of Middle America.

        you, as i, may be accused for being “shills” for the cause since our positions closely mirror those two separate and distinct political ideologies which are in conflict. looking closely though, I don’t believe either of us are “shills”. We state what we believe 9or in some cases what sells). The difference is, my support is for Right.

        Be that as it may, interesting yesterday when the SCOTUS upheld the Health Care reform Act. within 15 minutes of the decision (yes, I logged and charted this), I had 11 emails from Right Wing groups demanding monies to overturn the law and elect Republicans. Nothing about being involved…money was what they wanted. I received 4 emails from Progressive groups. NONE asked for money, ALL asked for involvement in carrying forth the fight for the Middle Class and America.

        One asks for nothing but money, contains nothing but derogatory, insulting, and hateful comments. And states nothing about getting nvolved and working to argue thier ’cause” (whatever it is other than anti-American). The other asks for involvement and working together to move forward.

        Which do you see as the better method to move this nation forward/ Absolutism and refusal to work with all…and demanding nothing but money to enrich pockets of those in the hierarchy of a group….or that which asks for all to be involved and settling out as a nation and as One what must be done?

        • Bob Livingston

          Dear Flashy,

          You write: “The difference is, my support is for Right.” Your support is for tyranny, nanny-statism and “legalized” theft by the government for the purpose of redistribution. Mine is for liberty. That is why we disagree.

          You write: “Which do you see as the better method to move this nation forward/ Absolutism and refusal to work with all…and demanding nothing but money to enrich pockets of those in the hierarchy of a group….or that which asks for all to be involved and settling out as a nation and as One what must be done?” I will not answer this logical fallacy.

          Best wishes,

      • Flashy

        Logical fallacy? It is a question for viewpoint to understand actions and callings Mr. Livingston. Avoidance being what it is…

        In observing our ‘differences”, it appears Pres. Lincoln’s observation in his Gettysburg Address of “government of the people, by the people, for the people”, you take it as he was referring to three distinct “people” … whereas I take it as referring to one People.

        By perchance, have you ever read anything concerning the social and economic makeup of the various societies of London 1880′s when one may state with some substance capitalism shone brightly its unrestricted character? Is that your ideal?

        • Bob Livingston

          Dear Flashy,

          You write: “Logical fallacy? It is a question for viewpoint to understand actions and callings Mr. Livingston.” Your question as posed is a logical fallacy and as such is unanswerable. Perhaps you should rephrase it.

          Best wishes,

      • Michael J.

        Flashy said,

        “Lucky for this Nation and for the Middle Class, there were the many who gave the consent.”

        The “consent” you mention was falsely aquired by the words and actions of a lying, liar in the effort to steal power that he was not deserved of.

        Type “Usurper” into your search engine.

      • michaeljbeglinjr

        FLASHY: You, and other idiots like you, are the problem. Take your Progressive, anti-Constitutional agenda, and put it where the sun shineth not.

        Our government does NOT have the consent of the people. It has the consent of the Money that bought our Representatives. I would much rather vote Republican than Progressive any day. People like you are bringing this country closer to violence. You just keep pushing and pushing and taking and taking. Enough of all of you.

        If Obama is re-elected, I would not be surprised to see an uprising of the people. Too many people are sick of what America has become. God knows too many fools such as yourself love our Liar-in-Chief. God alone knows why.

      • GALT

        Wel, Mr. Livingston, I’m glad you know I know……….and that makes one of us………what you know, I am not so sure about. I ended our last exchange with a general question……….I do so LOVE questions, and people who duck them, or try.

        What is “natural law”?

        Natural Law is “the unaleinable right to continue to attempt to survive.”

        It is universal and it applies to every living thing by virtue of the fact that they are living………no creator necessary, just the fact of existance.

        We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

        Which bring us to the question asked….which of the following air, water, food, shelter and clothing is non essential to the unalienable right to life……..? Where you CLAIM to not agree with my premise? Except that THIS is your non-agreement:

        Dear GALT,
        You write: “why did you not accept my premise?” I do not accept that one of those is not essential. I do not accept that they are the only elements that are essential.

        I guess questions and premises are synonyms? the answer to the question would seem to be that “all are essential”……but you’re right it does make the next QUESTION a problem………..especially when YOU think that even MORE things are essential………so you write again..

        You write: “Then you get to answer part two……” I will head you off and assume your part two is “What is government’s role in securing THIS UNALIENABLE RIGHT?” In its broadest sense, government’s role is remove barriers that would inhibit the individual from securing the elements essential to maintaining “certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

        Thank you Mr. Livingston for heading me off………but, even while you think “governments” role is not restricted to just “life”, to those who are “starving” this becomes rather “essential”, does it NOT?

        “40 acres and a mule”? A buffalo herd to follow with fresh air and sunshine? where the deer and the antelope play?

        In short there is no point talking about the ‘constitution” in which there is no mention of a “creator”, when you don’t know what happened to “common law and equity”…….which will tell you what happened to the “constitution”………and which neither a FED audit, nor the VOTE will return to you.

        We can all exercise our “natural law right”………or maybe we can profit from all of this……..I mean, the world has got to be good for just one more scam……screwing over stupid people……..right? And they are so eager too………..

        Well there is a bit of time LEFT, so maybe Agora, or Chip, or Porter Stansbury, will help you suck the last bit of whatever…… are your gardening skills, btw?

        That 200,000 years of huntering and gathering, plus the 70,000 of migrating made way more sense than the last 5000…….at least there was a point……….now having WON…….

        ” The universe writes no epitaphs.”

        But in the end you were right Mr. Livingston…….I did give you credit for being way more intelligent than you actually are…………

        • Bob Livingston

          Dear GALT,

          You write: “But in the end you were right Mr. Livingston…….I did give you credit for being way more intelligent than you actually are…………” And I you. So, we’re even, aren’t we?

          Best wishes,

      • GALT

        Nah, you’re way ahead……You found freedom… an unfree world……at the expense of “others”……….did you manage to “reproduce”? Did your off spring?

        Where are those common law and equity courts? Again?

        And thanks for that very considerate reply……..

        • Bob Livingston

          Dear GALT,

          I believe I have always returned consideration for consideration afforded. If I have offended you, I apologize. However……I notice you are…….still writing incoherent…….sentences and asking……the same questions ad nauseum……which indicates…….you have questions and no answers. Again?

          You write: “at the expense of “others”” How much does it cost you to come here each day…….where you spend hours……and hours…….superciliously entertaining yourself……and others?

          Best wishes,

      • phideaux

        Well Flashy or Flushy (thanks Opal) since it has been proven many times over by many different posters that you are a serial lier who makes unsupporeted false claims I am forced to conclude your whole series of posts are nothing but a massive LIE.

      • Vigilant

        The ellipsis-laden GALTY once again attempts (unsuccessfully) to reduce everything to naturalistic and secular principles, with the ludicrous statement that “Natural Law is ‘the unaleinable [sic] right to continue to attempt to survive.’”

        Now you put that statement in quotation marks, so I assume you have a source to which it may be attributed? I didn’t think so.

        The definition is flat wrong, as you’re mixing apples and oranges. You cannot conflate Natural Law with Darwinism or evolution, they are two separate things. Everything that flows from your faulty (and unattributed) premise is incorrect. Even Darwin would not have nonsensically argued that plants and lower animals had a “right” to attempt to survive.

        “It is universal and it applies to every living thing by virtue of the fact that they are living………no creator necessary, just the fact of existance [sic].”

        Wrong again. The “fact of existance [sic]” entails no rights whatsoever for living things other than human beings. Plants and animals have no “right” to survive. They either survive or die through competition, but that is merely a fact of their existence, NOT a right under Natural Law.

        Prior to the appearance of Homo Sapiens upon the earth, there was neither any concept of “rights” nor any exercise of them. Only human beings have the intelligence to apply matters of conscience to the principles of morality and “rights.”

        In divorcing the Creator from your warped sense of Natural Law, you turn the very basis of our Republic on its head. Why, GALT, do you at every turn decry the departure of our government from Constitutional principles if you simultaneously believe that the cornerstone of the Republic (and the original Constitution itself) is a sham?

        Jefferson’s (incomplete) expression of Locke’s Natural Law in the Declaration of Independence is at the very center of the bedrock upon which the Constitution was drafted. In its absence, the Constitution means little to nothing, as the instrument would then become a vehicle for secular humanism, a house built upon sand.

      • GALT

        No, Bob it’s the same question……..and it’s one you should be asking, because it is the solution to your “problem” regarding the Constitution………and the “seemingly unconstitutional” actions of government under “admiralty and maritime courts”.

        For me it is a rhetorical question, for you “having never answered it”, one wonders to what
        do we assign as a motivation for this lack of interest in something that would save you all this time pondering what happened to the “document” you claim is so important ?

        Two of the four “legal jurisdictions” authorized in Article 3, are missing…..also having been mentioned in the Bill of Rights, and this seems to go completely unnoticed?

        I wonder what the “founders” would have to say about the quality of the observational skills of present day citizens?

        Takes the implied “consent of the governed” to a whole new level, but once again, I expect
        you will have no idea about any of this? That is almost as entertaining as those daily e-mails which advise of the next impending threat and the immediate actions that can be taken…….

        Best wishes……..

      • Vigilant

        S’matter, GALTY, afraid to answer my posting?

        Cat got your tongue?

      • GALT

        w.i.A.L.F. no response required…….when you find god mentioned in the “constitution” or anything in nature that is willing to discuss “natural law” with you, get back to me.

      • Jay

        There is no direct mention of God in the Constitution, except in the formation of the date used in the document: “Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven”.

        The Lord in this phrase is, of course, Christ. That is it.

        Religion is indirectly mentioned in the oath of office, where a person is permitted to swear
        or affirm, taking into account those religions where swearing was impermissible. And no religious test was allowed for any office in the United States, which is neither a direct nor indirect reference to God or Christ, but is notable nonetheless.

      • GALT

        No religious test seems fairly direct……just as the unalienable right stated above is “self evident”…..and it is actually the ONLY unalienable right you have ever had, or ever will have……..and it looks like you will have the opportunity to learn this directly from nature,
        with special effects provided by “human arrogance” in its continued denial……..

      • simian pete

        Interesting conversation you have !

        Moral Law in Nature .. meaning ? An individuals choices, even in ethics/morals have consequences ? You “Reap” what you “Sow” …

        Jefferson writing in the Declaration of Independence, the endowment of Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness …or in the Constitution’s signing (in the year of our Lord) referring to Jesus ..

        The theological/philosophical concept expressed is of the Logos (the Word), as expressed in the Gospel of John (chapter 1). This Logos created Nature and Nature’s Laws. This is what Jefferson is referring to in the Declaration (Creator).

        For instance, in Genesis chapter 1 verse 1 – this verse ends with the first letter and last letter of the Hebrew alpha bet (Tev Aleph)- the Word of God (the Logos) who created Nature and it’s Laws …..

        Then there is a reference in the Book of Revelations of the “Alpha & Omega” or the Word (the Logos) who is the Creator (interesting that it’s in the last book of the Bible !! HA HA !!)

        The concept agreed upon by most of the founders is of the “Logos” who is the Creator. Have you noticed the close similarity in spelling to the the word “Logic”? You could substitute “Logic” for “Logos” to get a similar meaning in John’s Gospel.

        “In the beginning was the Word (Logos, Logic) … ” as stated by the Apostle John ….who created everything in Nature ….

        That’s the straight facts from this “Apes” computer !!!!

        You humans sure don’t understand simple ontologics !! Didn’t any of you go to Sunday School ?

      • Vigilant

        Well. well. what a joy to see little GALTY, caught in the web of his own ignorance, try to squirm out of answering my posting because he’s been proven wrong.

        Forget the theological aspect, dude, that wasn’t the thrust of my comments. I took you to task for incorrectly identifying Natural Law with Darwinism. Moreover, your failure to recognize what constitutes a “right.” paints you as truly ignorant.

        What a laugh! GALT can’t structure a response without admitting his errors, so he predictably pulls the Saul Alinsky deflection card and hopes we don’t notice.

      • Michael McSpadden

        “…That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just power from the consent of the governed…” We must no longer give our consent.

        Bob. I 100% agree but what I do not believe that the “we the people” understand is we are faced with the same decision that the founding fathers struggled with. Either we take up arms in open rebellion against our unlawful government or we take what ever they dish out. There. I have openly said it. Its war or nothing. Rhetoric and voting has been FAILING for decades now because the people in charge don’t care what we think or say. They just want us to keep talking until its to late. That’s if its not already to late.

        Joel 3:9-10
        9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
        10 Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

    • Mary-Lee

      Why shouldn’t we all vote the Constitution Party candidate? I’ve never heard of him, but who cares. We KNOW he’s for defending the constitution (I’ve had much to do with that party and they are for real) so wouldn’t an unknown who believes in our constitution be better than not voting? That is Gerald Celente’s idea to which I don’t agree. We HAVE to vote for someone, only not a Republican and not a Democrat. Heck, what’s the difference in electing an unknown, inexperience Constitution Party candidate and Obama winning in 2008? He didn’t have any experience either. The difference is the CP candidate will act to preserve our freedoms through the Constitution.

      • Nan

        Mary, the average person has no idea about other 3rd party candidates. There is a big difference between Obama and Romney, whether or not you think so. If people start voting a 3rd party, Obama will definitely win. I know this sounds like the Republican talking points, but at this point, it’s true. I can’t tolerate even looking at Obama–his is the antithesis of everything I want for my country, but I will not vote for a 3rd party candidate and not even TRY to get rid of the O.

      • Sanders


        I agree with you. There is no where near enough Ron Paul followers to yield enough votes in the general election to win the presidency, just as there weren’t near enough for Ross Perot, which resulted in Clinton. If I thought for one second there would be, then I most definitely would vote for RP. Justice Roberts did us all an injustice yesterday, or so it seems, but you can bet your life savings that if Barack Husinsane Obummer gets reelected, he will nominate another radical left wing liberal activist to the SCOTUS and then watch our 2nd amendment be all but washed away. Once they have eradicated private gun ownership, all other rights can be trampled upon with impunity and far worse than they are today.

        Unfortunately, the Ron Paul voice and ideology is not near loud enough and “in your face” enough to most of main stream america to make near large enough impact of waking the general populace to the tyranny that is so rampant in our federal government. So we MUST, at the very least, get the imposter-in-chief out of office in November.

      • Thomas Gunn

        When FDR occupied the White House for more then 12 years; dying in his 4th term; he was enabled to appoint 8 of the 9 Supreme Court Justices; all of which were progressive leftists. That singular act; effectively eliminated the concept of “separation of powers”; and instead consolidated government power to the corrupt marxist left. It was for that reason; that the leftist policies of FDR which prolonged the great depression; left us with ponzi schemes instead of real trust funds (like social security, medicare, et al); all of which our participation therein is mandated by law (just as now with Obamacare); have remained unchallenged by the Supreme Court in spite of their unconstitutionality.

        Roberts’ ruling simply demonstrates again, the corrupt nature of consolidated central government power of which the founders were afraid; and reveals this fundamental flaw in our system. The fact that President, has any authority (even nominating authority) over the selection process of officials in any other branch of government (in this case supreme court); has shown to be a problematic loop hole in our system; a flaw that has incrementally, but systematically eliminated the separation of powers in government and allowed it to become an all-powerful tyranny.

        The President of the United States should have NO AUTHORITY whatsoever, to even nominate anyone to the Supreme Court. Justices should be nominated by a majority vote of the justices themselves; and then those nominees should go on to the same congressional approval process. This was proposed back in the 1950′s but that bill was never passed; and instead; we got the next-best thing; which was term-limits for president. Unfortunately; that term-limiting feature has clearly not gone far enough; in protecting our concept of separation of powers.

        If Obama gains a second term; he will be in a position to nominate (de-facto appoint) two more Supreme Court Justices. If that happens; the game is over and the hard-won liberties that the founders fought and died for will have been for naught. Based on his pattern of behavior; we can expect his next two nominees to be blueprints of the previous ones……card carrying members of some special interest group like hispanic lesbians; rather than an objective student of law devoted to a strict interpretation of the Constitution….as the founders intended.

        This country has been on the brink for a long time. Whether this ruling will send us entirely over the precipice to a complete nanny-state Tyranny remains to be seen (I suspect it will; as its provisions incrementally take effect). But what is more important is the FACT; that the supreme court has just revealed their own corrupt nature; by upholding a clearly unconstitutional act; and justifying it through that ridiculous and convoluted set of circularly logical assertions espoused by Justice Roberts (it’s a tax….no it’s a penalty….no it’s a tax…..blah blah blah). It is clear that there is today NO branch of government; that is providing the “checks and balances” that we have been led to believe are in place……they are not. The United States Government is ALREADY a tyranny; the fundamentally corrupt and consolidated powers that it has have just been revealed. What Justice Roberts has essentially told us is this:

        You….Mr. American……. you WILL PAY..because WE say so…….. OR ELSE. And if you are successful through your hard work and diligence………..shame on you….YOU will Pay even more…. FOREVER. Why…? Because we said so; and we have more guns than you do. You, Mr. American…..are a SLAVE.

      • Jazzabelle

        Good idea, Mary-Lee. The “two parties” won’t stop offering the kinds of candidates they do until we stop voting for them.

        Personally, I will be writing in “Ron Paul.”

    • Junk Bin

      you have two choices, vote for Romney or elect Obama. Simple enough for you

      • Edd

        Vote for Orama or elect Bomney? Which is which? I can’t discern the slightest difference. This election is just like every other one I’ve seen in the 40+ years I’ve been of age to vote. We have two identical candidates who will continue the same policies that have been in place for decades.

        Don’t vote. It just encourages them.

        • Trenton Spears

          Edd it is hard to understand you do not see the difference in Romney or Obama. Why would you consider voting if you fail to organize the issues and the people running for office. A vote is a precious gift and should not be wasted. It is the democratic way to run our country. Best to you Trenton Spears

    • Rocketman

      Michael, the republicans and democrats are just two sides of the same coin. Both want bigger more intrusive government. The only difference is how much money they are going to take from you and what rights they are going to strip from you first. Vote Libertarian. They are committed to limited government, natural (meaning GOD given) rights and have a near perfect record for keeping their word once they are in office.

      • Dizzy

        BUT…. sometimes you have to discern which evil would be worse, and go with your gut feeling.

      • Jazzabelle

        Dizzy: Was it Willy Wonka who apochryphally said, “So, you vote for the lesser of two evils… tell me, how has voting for evil been working out for you?”

    • Krazeehors

      Look, I like Ron Paul. However, with our political system the way it is, the fact remains that should he mount a 3rd party campaign, he is HANDING the Presidency to Obama so he can finish destroying this country. Make no mistake here: that IS his goal!

      I just finished reading The Amateur. It is a journalist’s book, FULL of interviews with Obama “insiders” who know the “real” Obama and Michelle.

      Both of these people are dangerous.

      Read the book. Given that Obama tried to have it quashed before it ever went to the publisher, there is a WEALTH of true information in it.

      I simply do not understand how or why people continually say — “If it’s bad news, I don’t want to read it.”

    • my 2¢ worth

      It’s truly sad that people (Americans) can’t stand together.. Remember when the Chicago Tribune declared “Dewey defeats Truman”.. Who actually won? Everybody KNEW Obama care was unconstitutional but from out of the blue it was found constitutional.. Ron Paul doesn’t have to be considered a ‘has been’ if everyone (especially the middle roaders) voted him in, but alas.. We’ve all been fooled by our true hidden enemies into thinking ‘if no one shares my ideal then their the enemy’ and we’ll never break free of that illness until someone we can all admire will tell us to stop this insanity (that is, if they can survive through the governmental assassination attempts).

    • Emm

      The Constitution Party [] option remains clearly the best. Our candidates have been winning state and local elections and Virgil Goode is the 2012 Presidential Candidate. Ron Paul may never get the endorsement of the Republican Party, because they don’t like him. It’s mainly the younger generations abandoning the other collectivist candidates offered up.
      Citizens understand more now that our federal government is the problem – not the solution, and they begin to recognize the wisdom of putting that binding chain called the Constitution of the United States back on the federal government. When people learn this, we’re winning.
      Do something. Don’t sit there and wring your hands over how bad things are getting. What can you do? What skills do you have? What products or services can you offer to the cause? Beyond that, keep learning – keep teaching – keep pushing for restoration of Liberty in America. Through organizations like the Ludwig von Mises Institute and people like Lew Rockwell and Murray Rothbard, you can start to learn more about our American values and how the Constitution was intended to work. Run for office locally and at the state level under the Constitution Party. The more you participate, the faster liberty will be restored in our land.
      And check out Chuck Baldwin’s article stating a vote is NEVER wasted, even if given to a third party candidate. Think Jesse Ventura, former Governor of MN- no one thought he’d win!

  • Ron

    More doom and gloom. Remember according to the Mayan Calendar after Dec.21 the world will end so why worry?

    • Karolyn

      One of our problems is precisely that we worry too much. When the collective conscious is in such a low state, it perpetuates the status quo and even makes it worse.

      • Deerinwater

        Doom & Gloom is a staple for some people that like to wear certain labels. Finding it offensive to be called Doom & Gloom’er, they prefer other labels that can hide the doom & gloom, like Conservatives. But what Conservatism really means is another matter entirely and often be found in conflict with the meaning of the label.

        Like a right to life’er could be found a strong supporter and defend the death penalty.

        It seems that Conservatism is something to be ‘applied’ to “other people” .

      • Ted Crawford

        You compare to dissimilar ideaologies as if they were directly relatable. The Right to lifer, as you call them, are defending an innocents right to live in a society, while a supporter defends the right to eliminate one who has proven, through their actions incapable, or unwilling to live peacefully whithin a society! Apples to Oranges ! nice try though Comrade!

      • Deerinwater

        Where as the label be “Pro Life” (suggesting someone might be found otherwise) or “Right to Life”, they are the same thing while you attempt to offer some distinction suggesting otherwise by application, labeling eggs as chickens or a convicted criminal found “not covered” by this principled ideology of the sanctity of life.

        It is you that is the clever one.

      • Jay

        Who’s the sadder of the two; “doom and gloomers, or those who enjoy hanging out with “doom and glommers” while criticizing the “gloom and doomers” of being too gloomy and doomy? lol…

      • Deerinwater

        LOL! If you want to call, taking the battle to the enemy or just offing a good sounding board as ” Hanging Out” you could have a point Jay.

        I’m better off for being here as I work to understand the mindset of a small group of people that have set themselves apart from other Americans claiming to be champions “conservative” virtues and defenders of “personal liberty’s”.

        You are better off for me being here as I discourage people from acting like Chicken Little, racing about, claiming that the sky is falling.

      • Vigilant

        Bobwire says, “I’m better off for being here as I work to understand the mindset of a small group of people that have set themselves apart from other Americans claiming to be champions [of] “conservative” virtues and defenders of “personal liberty’s [sic]”.

        That not so “small group of people” changed the complexion of the 2010 midterm election, son. And they will change the 2012 election as well. Dream on, oh ignorant one……

        And I could say as well, “I’m better off for being here as I work to understand the small mindset of group of people who are intent on destroying our way of life.”

        Then he pontificates, “You are better off for me being here as I discourage people from acting like Chicken Little, racing about, claiming that the sky is falling.”

        Yes, we know, Mr “above it all.” You’re not fooling anyone. You and Karolyn, the Pollyannas of America, will blithely allow your rights to be stolen until the day when you will say, “gee, I wish I’d listened to those “Chicken Littles!”

      • Deerinwater

        “That not so “small group of people” changed the complexion of the 2010 midterm election, son. And they will change the 2012 election as well. Dream on, oh ignorant one……”

        Yes you and your friend did, ~ of course midterm election tend to do that anyway. While I believe many states have a healthy dose of “buyers remorse ” today for their selection or failing to just show up midterm.

        You are still a minority of Americans at 30 thousand strong. While I would question the 30 thousand number.

        2012 is yet to be played out my friend, I wouldn’t be counting my chickens before they hatch. You got yourself ahead of the Supreme court and looked what happened.

        My opinions and vision for America is just as genuine and valid as yours. Maybe more so, ~ if a DD214 documenting many decorations of patriot actions and behavior means anything. You wish have a pissing contest with DD214′s?

      • Jay

        The fact that you’ve been here for well over 2 years, deer, could mean that you are either a slow learner, or you enjoy our company. Either way, we’re happy to have you, and we’re more then willing to assist you in any way we can. Cheers!

      • Vigilant

        Deer in Headlights once again outdoes himself.

        “…of course midterm election [sic] tend to do that anyway. While I believe many states have a healthy dose of “buyers [sic] remorse” today for their selection or failing to just show up midterm.”

        Au contraire. The buyer’s remorse is most evident amongst the voters of 2008, not 2010. And either you’ve a selective memory or you simply choose to ignore the fact that the mid term election was a tsunami of Democrats being thrown out of governorships, state houses and the House of Representatives in RECORD numbers.

        “You are still a minority of Americans at 30 thousand strong. While I would question the 30 thousand number.” What the Hell are you blathering about? OK, I’ll bite…30,000 who believe what?

        “2012 is yet to be played out my friend, I wouldn’t be counting my chickens before they hatch. You got yourself ahead of the Supreme court and looked what happened.”

        The Supreme Court got ahead of itself, and the bogus decision will catalyze voters like you’ve never seen. Biggest tax hike in history, that doesn’t go down well with voters during a recession.

        “My opinions and vision for America is just as genuine and valid as yours. Maybe more so, ~ if a DD214 documenting many decorations of patriot actions and behavior means anything. You wish have a pissing contest with DD214′s?”

        I’m sure your opinions are genuine, that’s neither here nor there. As to validity, that’s another question.

        And as for DD 214s, what the Hell does that have to do with anything? Gen. Wesley Clark has a DD 214 as well, and he’s a traitor, as well as any number of inmates in Ft. Leavenworth, KS.

        Since when does military service guarantee the validity of an opinion? You’ve got an awful (and priggish) sense of entitlement, my friend.

      • Deerinwater

        “Au contraire. The buyer’s remorse is most evident amongst the voters of 2008, not 2010. And either you’ve a selective memory or you simply choose to ignore the fact that the mid term election was a tsunami of Democrats being thrown out of governorships, state houses and the House of Representatives in RECORD numbers.”

        LOL! well Jay ~ when you have to stand on a stool to touch the bottom, any upward progress is easy enough to appreciate and that is where the GOP found them selves in 2008 having lost so many in congress & senate midterm of 2006.

        “The 2006 United States midterm elections were held on Tuesday, November 7, 2006. All United States House of Representatives seats and one third of the United States Senate seats were contested in this election, as well as 36 state governorships, many state legislatures, four territorial legislatures and many state and local races. The election resulted in a sweeping victory for the Democratic Party which captured the House of Representatives, the Senate, and a majority of governorships and state legislatures from the Republican Party.
        The victory of the Democratic Party in the 2006 Congressional elections was a major milestone ”

        “Reasons for the Democratic party takeover include the decline of the public image of George W. Bush, the dissatisfaction of the handling of both Hurricane Katrina and the War in Iraq, Bush’s legislative defeat regarding Social Security Reform, and the culture of corruption, which were the series of scandals in 2006 involving Republican politicians.”

        “The Democrats gained six Senate seats by defeating Republican senators in the states of Missouri, Montana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island and Virginia. The Democrats secured a 51–49 majority in the Senate (Senator Joe Lieberman of Connecticut and Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont are Independents who would vote with Democrats on caucus issues). The Democrats gained thirty House seats from the Republicans. For the first time since the midterm elections of 1994, the Democratic Party gained control of both houses of the United States Congress.”

        So before your head explodes with you gains in 2008, ~ look where the GOP had to come from just to make a showing!

        And Florida, Wisconsin and Arizona are not all that happy today. Louisiana should be but it hard to make a coonass fret much over anything, that’s the nature of my eastern brothers and sisters. They have lived in a corrupt state for so long they have adapted to it, having little interest in being a part of any solution, able to make a banquet out of a problem and throw a dance.

        Today! knowing what I know now, ~ We dodged a bullet with the McCain / Palin defeat.

        I had only a single option with my vote, ~ to vote or not to vote. I don’t regret one minute my vote for the former.

        While you are left only to tell us about what “might have been” , “if only”

        Everybody don’t watch Fox News. Half that do , I doubt if they bother to vote.

        que sera sera

      • Jay

        The Obama Campaign is a fantastic marketing machine. It is constantly discovering new ways to sell things to people. But the problem is that it has no actual product.

        A company that goes corporate cult uses some of the tactics of a cult to inflate the value of its product. But a cult has no product except the sense of satisfaction that comes from being in the cult.

        The only things it sells are images of its leader, emblazoned everywhere, his books, speeches and photos, and these are used as tokens of membership in the cult.

        In retrospect, the Cult of Obama had much in common with other cults. Like them it recruited young volunteers on campus. Its recruitment materials leaned heavily on books by its beloved leader.

        It promised them that a new age was coming and that they could be a big part of bringing it about. And its vector of introduction to older viewers was through a woman who has been accused of promoting cults on her popular television show.

        Strip away the politics, forget the push and pull of the election issues, wipe the polar identities of the parties from your minds and take a fresh look at the 2008 campaign.
        Then compare the pitch to any of the major cults in the seventies and eighties. There really isn’t all that much of a difference.

        They’re all “Transformative” movements that promise to solve society’s problems by using new insights to create a wave of change that begins with “us”.

        Even the political angle isn’t new. Jim Jones and his murderous child-abusing cult started out as community organizers for California Democrats, and leading politicians, including saintly hero Harvey Milk, covered for his crimes until the whole thing got too big and Jones got too crazy.

        Long before Obama, Lyndon LaRouche went the campus cult route and if you are morbidly curious, you can find videos where “LaRouche Youth”, who have broken ties with their families and friends, shout insane slogans while their glazed eyes stare fixedly into the camera.

        The pitch is “Transformative” but it isn’t the world that is being transformed, only the participants, and the method of transformation is constant labor and omnipresent awareness of the program. That is where the Cult of Obama’s retention efforts fell through.

        Successful cults maintain control over a core cadre and use them to expand their base, but projects like Americorps did not come close to meeting those goals.

        The corporate part of the Corporate Cult deals with adversity by redoubling the sales pitch. If sales fall, it finds more things to sell.

        The Obama Campaign is insanely intensifying its sales efforts, without understanding that its sales are falling because the value of the brand is failing.

        Many cult survivors dropped out during a similar phase when the cult supervisors pressured them to increase sales and recruitment, even as the cult was no longer relevant. When the history of this campaign is written, we will likely discover that the people on the inside were being just as ruthlessly pressured to achieve impossible goals to compensate for the failings of their candidate.

        When businesses hysterically deluge you with offerings for their product, it’s a sign of fear.

        Obama’s campaign rolling out invitations to dinner with him and suggestions that you use your wedding to raise money for him stinks of that same fear. It’s ingenious from a marketing standpoint, but from that same standpoint, it’s also a bad tactic.

        The last thing that a company or a campaign wants to do is wear people out. But that is exactly what Obama is accomplishing by burning through his base for a short-term cash grab, when what he really needs is to have those people committed to him at the end.

        Obama’s people are clever, but not good, which is a common combination at dot com companies that go under when the trend passes them by. The Obama trend has long since gone and no one is all that excited about another four years.

        Like Steve Jobs debuting one more feature, the campaign has doled out gay marriage and the DREAM Act to gets its base excited about another four years. But it still isn’t excited. These are features that it expected years ago and it’s not in the mood to work itself up into a frenzy over finally getting them.

        This is the part where the marketing consultants spend six months on a study and inform the company that their brand is done and has to either be retired or salvaged through a high-profile campaign that will reinvent it as cutting edge. But when your brand is a man, how do you reinvent him? And when your brand is “Transformative Politics” and even your staunchest supporters don’t feel like anything has been transformed, how do you move the product?

        Cults shift the burden of failure from the guru and the program to the participants. It isn’t the man or the idea that failed, but the people.

        There are the outside enemies who make enlightenment impossible. “How very much I’ve tried my best to give you a good life. But in spite of all of my trying a handful of our people, with their lies, have made our lives impossible,” Jim Jones said at Jonestown. That is the epilogue of the Obama campaign. The one being scripted for him by the media.

        Like Jim Jones, Obama has done his best to give us a good life, but the Republicans, FOX News, the Supreme Court, the Koch Brothers and powerful interests have sabotaged his efforts with their lies. And yet in the end it’s not the enemies who bear the final burden, but the people who weren’t good enough.

        Cults demand more and more from their followers to impose upon them an unreasonable and unshakeable burden of guilt. The cult appeals to those who want to make more of their lives, and it destroys their will by making them feel like failures. The Obama campaign’s endless demands of its followers have that tenor as well. Behind all the flowery words, the burden of responsibility is being shifted from his people to his supporters.

        The cult frames everything in terms of commitment. What begins as a commitment to personal and global transformation becomes a commitment to the demands of the cult. The commitment is meant to be mutual, and it is occasionally even framed in terms of a marriage.

        “In all our years of marriage, he’s always looked out for me. Now, I see that same commitment every day to you and to this country,” Michelle Obama’s campaign mailing says. “The only way we’ll win this election is if we can rely on one another like that.”

        The commitments, of course, aren’t mutual. They can’t be. The disparity in power is too great. The cult exists for the sake of the leader, but the leader does not exist for the sake of the cult. Once the followers realize this, the illusion of mutual commitment breaks down. And to keep them from realizing it, the cult strives to make them feel that they have not lived up to their commitment.

        The cult intrudes into personal and marital relationships because it cannot allow any commitment to dwarf the greater commitment. That is why cults will arrange marriages and control whom members may marry. It may command divorces or just solicit donations to its cause at a wedding. It acts as if it knows no boundaries, but, in truth, it is setting its own boundaries. It is claiming the intimate territory of personal relationships as its own.

        And yet all this only works for as long as the transformative illusion endures. When the sense that the commitment to the cult is not transformative, that the principles of its program cannot make a better world, then its power fades away and dies. The cult may amp up its marketing, but the only product that it ever truly had was intangible.

        The Obama campaign never sold Obama; it sold the idea of Obama. The illusion that was more than the sum of his false biography, his chin up speeches full of momentous pauses and stolen poetry, or the typography of his posters.

        It was the sense of imminence, the perception of a transformative figure who could change the country and the world. That magnetic tug wasn’t Obama, it was the confused mess of desires, fears, hopes, dreams and wishes that the people were encouraged to project onto him.

        The essential product of every cult is the promise of global transformation through personal transformation.

        Years later, few people can say that their lives are any better, and while many are still willing to echo Jim Jones and blame that on outside enemies, there is no real faith that the program can work.

        Whether or not Obama wins again, his cult has failed. It failed because it was not able to deliver on its promises of transformation, nor was it able to place the blame on its followers.

        Most of those who voted for Obama will drink the Kool-Aid one more time, but there will be little enthusiasm in the drinking of it.

    • http://yahoo Larry

      actually that has been proven untrue. the Mayans did not predict the end of the world, actually a renewal of sorts, whatever that will be. the end of the united states of america perhaps is what it is looking like,at least as we know it.

      • Jay

        You’re exactly right, Larry! TY for the clarification.

      • independent thinker

        If I remember correctly the Mayas had about half a dozen different calenders. What makes 12-21-2012 so important to the Mayas is that all their calenders end on that date. You are correct in saying they do not predict the end of the world. 12-21-12 is the end of the age and the start of a new age. It can also be interpreted as the end of the world as we know it and the start of a new world but it is not the literal end of the world. Also as I recall the Mayas like the Hopi believe the progression of us becoming the humans we have today passed through several worlds (3 or 4) with the old world being replaced by a new one. And yes that is an over simplification of their very complex creation stories.

    • Bob

      Mayans never claimed the world would end. They claim the calander will end and a new world would emerge..They also said it depends on how you deal with the fact the world will change as to whether or not you survive or not.. So I guess you would be partly right, the world will end for some..But who?

      • Krazeehors

        People have been trying to predict the end of the world since before I was born. Remember last year when that idiot predicted the end of the world and people sent him their life savings? He walked away with $22 MILLION!!!

        Which begs the question: What are you going to do with that $22,000,000 after the world ends??

    • Bob

      I was hoping on getting christmas in this year . Do you think we could hold off on the end of the world till say….April 15th

  • Tom Cook

    Bob you begin to sound a little crazy when you embrace “alternative medicine” and tomfoolery like “organic” and “natural” since these are very scammy moronic concepts from the fringe. Medical care in the United States is so far above anything anywhere else in the world that it is supremely the best; but, there are problems such as huge jury awards for perceived malpractice–overused free services for illegal aliens and overused Medicare and Medicaid which absolutely have to be reined-in, and abusive insurance companies which need to be brought to the consumers’ heels. Reasonable improvements have been proposed and they are not obonbocare.

    • Karolyn

      OMG are YOU misguided! Do a little research. You obviously know nothing about what’s going on in this country as far as the sick-care system goes. I have hepatitis C and refused the chemo that would have ruined my quality of life. Instead I began on a journey with alternate healthcare, using herbs and supplements. I am one of those anomalies in this country – a 65 year old woman not on any pharmaceuticals! Open your eyes, man! (Or are you too old?)

      • Jay

        Good for you, Karolyn!!!

    • Bob Livingston

      Dear Tom Cook,

      You write: “Bob you begin to sound a little crazy when you embrace “alternative medicine” and tomfoolery like “organic” and “natural” since these are very scammy moronic concepts from the fringe. Medical care in the United States is so far above anything anywhere else in the world that it is supremely the best;” I have written about you.

      And, to help you break the bonds of conventional wisdom:

      Best wishes,

    • Krazeehors

      I hate to burst your bubble here, but organic food — which you can easily grow yourself on your patio — is truly the best thing for you. I would never buy it in a grocery store — the cost is prohibitive and smacks of government regulation.

      I have seen and tasted the incredible difference between organic tomatoes that I canned and “grocery store” tomatoes that I canned. I had to throw the latter out.

      These days, you can purchase any number of patio garden systems. Putting in your own organic garden is quite easy as is composting. Of course composting has to be organic as well, which means you can’t put any chemicals on your lawn.

    • David Houston

      If I had used the Methotrexate that the Dr. wanted to put me on, my kidneys would have already started to malfunction, but I found a nutriceutical that has kept me pain and symptom free from severe arthritis!! Drug companies don’t make the best remedies for bad health conditions!

  • DavidL

    Mitt Romney is a chameleon and a wuss!

    • Patriot1776

      If only he were the only one. If our Founding Fathers had been as complacent about the actions of government as the majority of Americans have been, we would still be a British colony. We can moan and groan about how terrible our government is, how worthless the Supreme Court is, how over-reaching and intrusive the alphabet departments are, but we have only ourselves to blame. When the right to pray in school was taken away and We the People did not stand up and object and demand that our rights were upheld, when the perversion and filth was allowed to infiltrate our homes through television, and We the People did not demand higher morals and standards, when government expanded and reached it’s tenacles into our lives, removing our rights and our freedoms and We the People did not stand up and demand that those elected to protect our rights and our freedoms followed the intent of the Founding Fathers, then We the People gave the self-proclaimed aristocrats in government the green light to trample our rights and take our freedoms away. We have come to our time in the history of these United States where we must decide; do we stand for the greatness of America and stand with the patriots who bequathed to us “a nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.” or do we stand by, complaining and whining like liberals about “unfairness” and bequeath our children and grandchildren a nation of socialistic government servitude and despair.

      • Mary-Lee

        I couldn’t agree more , however, just how do you plan on accomplishing this task? There is strength in numbers but as an individual there is little we can do to be effective. Should I refuse the TSA body scanner and pat downs? That’s rebellion against losing my liberty. But, then I’ve also lost my flight and have really accomplished nothing toward the cause. No, there has to be a mass organization of people who are willing and want to rebel. Do you know who was really good at organizing people….Glen Beck. Maybe we should get him to lead the way. But, nevertheless, you are right, something has to be done, it just can’t be done as an individual, it must be done as a large group.

      • Karolyn

        “when the perversion and filth was allowed to infiltrate our homes through television, ” What? Ever hear of freedom of speech? And turning off your own tv? Sounds like you would like MORE govenment control.

      • TIME

        Dear Karolyn,

        Its a fine line that we all walk, But – as to the comments of Pat1776, I believe they are speaking as a metaphor for the worthless trash that one can find on the Tube, {aka} – mass media thats more into Control rather than Education by way of free thinking and or mind expanding platforms.

        Saddly what can be found on the Tube is really little more than modified Propagand to restrict free thinking as well keep people within a control grid platform.

        Really, what do you have on the tube; Fake Science, Fake Police shows, Fake Comedy, Fake News, Fake legal shows, Fake Doctor shows,
        Its all just Fake garbage that is so boring that it borders on mindless dribble.

        Peace and Love

      • Patriot1776

        Karolyn, while you sip your kool-aid, contemplate this; I did not advocate government control, what I advocate is taking a stand against the broadcast companies and demanding better from them. Use the free market system to remove the disgusting filth, if no one watches, they will change. I do not want government controlling any aspect of my life, even if they tried to restrict programs to clean, moral standards.

        Yes, I heard about freedom of speach once in a history class. That was before they changed the books into liberal fiction. I’m all for freedom of speach and I change channels or turn off the TV if I don’t like what is on. If you would allow the effect of the kool-aid to wear off, you would see that you only have freedom of speach in this country if you speak against christianity, if you promote perversion and filth.

      • Sanders


        The only thing worth watching on TV anymore is The Golf Channel and The Outdoor Channel. Anything else is a big waste of time.

      • Karolyn

        Patriot – Your mistake was in using the word “allowed.” Sure, I cannot fathom all the people who love the inane “reality” shows, but there sure are an awful lot of them, and they are getting what they want. This country is so diverse, one cannot impose his own beliefs on everybody. And I’m so tired of hearing the wah, wah, wah about Christianity being put down. There are more Christians in this country than anything else, so you have nothing to cry about. What I believe is in the minority, and I have to watch what i say around certain people or be discriminated against, since I live in the Bible Belt. As long as Christians live Christian lives and raise Christian adults, they should have nothing to worry about. Do you seriously believe that somehow Christianity will disappear? “Oh ye of little faith.”

      • Patriot1776

        Karolyn, I have read the Book and I know how it ends, Christianity will not disappear, of that I have no doubt. As far as using the term “allowed”, we have allowed this to happen, it is not the fault of government. It is our acceptance and refusal to stand for what is right.

      • http://yahoo Larry

        you certainly hit the nail on the head!

      • TIME

        Dear Sanders,

        I hear you – loud and clear!

        Peace and Love

      • Krazeehors

        We stand with the patriots who built this country. I am an Oathkeeper and I will defend my country and the Constitution to the death.

      • Deerinwater

        Sanders says:
        June 29, 2012 at 9:23 am

        The only thing worth watching on TV anymore is The Golf Channel and The Outdoor Channel. Anything else is a big waste of time.”

        Sanders , It’s public media! no more, no less. ~ it does not mean anything unless you believe that it does.

        There was a time, when cartoons might be your preference. But in either case we can change channels or cut it off.

        Myself at 64, ~ I enjoy cspan, golf and women volleyball , anything about fishing and Equine matters.

        I refuse to waste my life on ball sports, noisy cars go round and around or talking heads that act like they have the only crystal ball in town but I don’t believe everyone should be like myself.

        Accept other people and learn to enjoy our many differences. Did you know that Sponge Bob and his friends lives under the sea and on the Sea Bed floor? I didn’t. We’ve came a long way from Rocky and Bullwinkle and I had little to do with it.

      • Sanders


        I do realize and cherish, “To each his own”.

        You said, “There was a time, when cartoons might be your preference”

        Scooby was my man!

      • speak truth

        Patriot: Your no patriot. Wehave separation of church and state in this country. The pilgrims fled to the new world to get out from under the screed of a religon that infringed on their rights as individuals. You rightwngers have so little information on our history, and so uninformed (cuz you listen to the corporate talking heads you have no respect or compassion for your fellow citizen). Your nothing but lackeys for the corporate elite, the bankster/gangster criminals, who robbed this country blind, and you vote aganist yourself. Change your handle to “mindless in America”. Bet you deny climate change too!

      • Laura Mason

        What are we going to do since they past the obam health plan .I am scared for our future.

      • LC

        AMEN AMEN AMEN!!

      • Jane

        AMEN !!!!

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      • Tony Sinibaldi

        In 1776, there was no government providing free food stamps, free contraception, free health care to 50% of the colonists. If there had been, we would still be a British colony. How do you propose we eliminate the guaranteed re-election of those who give so generously of others’ money?

      • gary bocra

        Good article, can’t argue much with it. The question now is what are the people going to do about taking a stand on what thhey believe in. Will they just vote like in the past, where it seemed they were voting for an American Idol Icon or will they take a hard look at what issues are being addressed and vote for the one who best fits their idea of America.

      • wandamurline

        Lock and load because that is where we are heading….at some point, we are going to have to do what the minutemen did during our fight with Britian….then, it was taxing the tea that was the final straw…I think now it is taxing not purchasing an item. If we cannot solve our problems in November in the ballot box…then the choices afforded leave us with only one….Roberts just made us subjects of the government, we are no longer citizens.

      • Michael Alan McSpadden

        What we the people will do is sit and talk and vote. This has not worked to date but it does allow us to “not miss the game on tv”. When they move to take our guns away then maybe .0001% of us will stand up and fight. I (we) will be branded as terrorist and Christian radicals. I will brand the rest of you as foosl and cowarsd and I “we small few” will die well. You sheep will go back to your game.
        Joel 3:9-10
        9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
        10 Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

      • Nan E Puckett

        Well said, Patriot1776! For decades, those who’ve trashed our liberties have relied on the fact that independent, self-reliant, working folks, are too busy living their lives & caring for their selves & family, to get involved in the political process. And the price we’ve paid is the loss of that independence & the freedom we cherish. I pray that a great swelling tide of true Americans, those who value freedom, will at last rise up & blast away the putrid scabs of liberalism (let’s be brutally frank–what we have is nothing short of socialism, if not outright dictatorship) & restore this nation to the one visualized by our Founding Fathers…may that great revolution grow daily until it overtakes every nook & cranny of the bureaucratic dens of gov’t & destroys the power they hold over us….God bless America!

      • Antirino


      • http://AOL Martha A. Durham

        Are we not following the same rules that was so helpful for Hitler to come to power.

      • kkflash

        I have to agree with Karolyn on this. Your comment “when the perversion and filth was allowed to infiltrate our homes through television, and We the People did not demand higher morals and standards”, when taken in context with your list of ways in which the government has taken away our freedoms, is contradictory. Are you simultaneously calling for government to force broadcast companies to “raise their standards” and lamenting our loss of free speech? And will it be you who decides what constitutes acceptable programming? What gives you, or our government for that matter, the right or power to decide whose moral standards will be allowed to be broadcast in the media? If you don’t like what you see, change the channel or turn it off! One of the prices we pay for freedom and liberty is tolerance of differences in point of view and lifestyle. It’s a price I’ll gladly pay to retain my choices. Government must be curtailed in all ways, and we’re not making exceptions to allow the high and mighty to overregulate or control TV content.

      • Rose Layard

        Obamacare will become like South African health services. Our doctors haven’t been paid in our province since January. 27,000 posts are not filled due to no money for staff.The only staions working hard are the abortion clinics and vaccine drives. The doctors that dared to speak up their plight are now being charged by government MEC’s who have had their bloated salaries apid every month.

      • nc

        Pat, you can pray in public schools! All you have to do is bow your head and pray silently to whatever God you choose! If I read Matthew correctly, it was Jesus who advised the people that they SHOULD pray in the privacy of their closets!
        Why would you even want others, not of you religion, to hear your prayers! Would you want to hear theirs on a daily basis?? Would you want your children to hear or learn something different about religion than what they might be TAUGHT in thir homes and churchs about something so private as their religion?

        • Nan E Puckett

          Oh, puh-leeze! ‘Pat’ was obviously referring not so much to prayer in itself, but the idea that no moral teaching is allowed in school today; much to our regret since we now have a generation virtually amoral, who thrive on some of the base garbage passing for entertainment, have little personal resources when they’re challenged with a problem, & don’t think beyond the latest rap song or video game. I don’t so much recall ‘prayer’ when I was in school, but a daily morning poem, reading, etc., that emphasized a moral strong point. I also learned years ago to THINK about what I was listening to & accepting as a life lesson–your approach–to eliminate every vestige of moral teaching, which is exactly what ‘Pat’ is talking about–has led to a society rife with problems that they have no idea how to manage–you think you’re so open-minded, yet you are anything but & our country would be far better off if you just lived your life & left us to live ours…I have no quarrel with hearing YOUR religion or beliefs since I think for myself & I venture to say the majority feels the same….so get over yourself–we’re tired of being manipulated by your smarmy attitude & elitist demands….

        • Trenton Spears

          NC Homosexuals out of the closet to be taught in our schools. The Bible back in the closet so that our children won’t be taught about moral values in schools. What a mess this Nation is in. Trenton Spears

      • Dorian Douglas

        We have the right to pray. We also have the right NOT to pray!

        We have the right to own a car. We also have the right NOT to own a car. We just have to pay if we want the car

        We have the right to health care. We also have the right NOT to get health care.

        Only the first of these is free to both sides.

        As to health care, why must we treat people who choose not to pay for care? Those with no ABILITY to pay could easily be covered by tax-exempt foundations, and the government’s only involvement would be correcting the tax code to provide exemptions for donors to the foundations. No bureaucrats to pay for! Those who choose not to pay don’t get treated.

        Dorian Douglas

      • marine4evrrr

        Yeah! What you said, Patriot1776,

      • RW113

        Patriot- Few know that the removal of the bible from the classroom, and as the foundation for the base for society in the USA, was as a result of a Treaty when we joined the Alliance in the WWs – I often wonder if they had known, and knew of the radiation testing on entire towns in the bible belt [reports released by Clinton on National TV, but not one word from the main stream media] – an attack designed to weaken and eliminate on Christians stronghold on the heart of small town America – if it would have made any difference. Then again, the reports in 1998 of the First Five Major Failures of experiments with raising up the next generation with social structure not founded on the bible released by the OAS, HHS, Country Dev Div, – it became clear that contrary to what we we told by rewritten history – the first 150 years this Nation was the only Christian Nation in the History of the World . . . Do you think people would have stood up and did anything? The hardest part now is that neither side seems to realize we can never “go back”. There is a different foundation – the way it is today – which makes it impossible to go back to an innocent, Christian Nation – we must build from where we are. The end may be different than where we begun, but it is the only way – Innocence lost is never regained in its original form.

      • Thomas Ah Yee

        WE the pepole have no to blame but ourselves. We have buried our heads in the sand hoping that this would go away and only to find when we brought out head out of the hole that the problem got worst. WE the people have allow the government to use scare tactics to get us to side with their program. WE the people have allowed Corporations to become the Government. Obamacare is not the best but it is healthcare it is a better choice then what the GOP wants to give us and that is nothing. There thing is don’t get sick. The GOP have nothing to complain about because they did not read bill before they voted but they did make sure that they put into the bill “we are exempt”.
        Now for Medicaide which is free healthcare, this should have been monitored closely. Those that are living off the goverment should go through the same testing we have to go through for jobs. They should be tested for drugs and alcohol. If they are found positive then Healthcare should be denied to them. Hand outs should be like Denmark, they get taken care for three months after that if they don’t have a job by then, then they lose the benefit, they will continue to carry you on their backs.
        As I said, WE THE PEOPLE have no one to blame but ourselves because we have allowed our government to take the direction that they wanted to take.

      • http://helorenzo Harry Lorenzo

        You cast too much of the blame on the rank and file and not the private and piblic institutions that have paved the way When will we fault and direct the blame on an institution endowed by the Constitution with the absolute right to keep the public informed and to avoid ideological and partisan idealization. The mainstream media has channeled a leftward course since the “New Deal” days and continues on its radical path unchallenged and without protest. No support was given to the severe rebuke of the main stream media by outgoing New York Governor David Patterson who on December 13, 2010 on WWRL New York accused them of “trying to run Government” and “not interested in reporting the news”. He stated that we are living in a situation “where the dysfunction is in the Media as well as in Government” The Constitutional guarantees of a free press does not grant the MSM the equal right to control or selectively parse the distribution of news and information and the partisan controlled FCC offers no safeguards.

      • gracie

        I agree 100%. I Live in the Las Vegas area of Henderson. I have written to the Mayor, our local news stations, Congressmen, our local newspaper etc. I either get no reply or they give me information that I didn’t ask for. I am trying to stand up for America, but due to a large part of people who immigrate here, I am out-numbered. I don’t know why people want to come here who don’t like our customs, don’t like our religion, don’t like our culture, but they want us to change our way of living in America to the way they lived in their Countries. America is letting too many immigrates into our Country, (enter legal or illegal) and they either want to kill us or change our way of life. WHY WON’T OUR GOVERNMENT STAND UP FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?

      • Michael

        Patriot1776 you are right on the money! Well said. I agree 100% with youir comments!


      • jim crawford

        When elected officals vote themselves benefits you and i do not get ( the have and have nots) of course we get the trash. Most of the elected will say anything to get elected and then stick it to thoes back home. Throw the bas—–s out, everyone.

        • Trenton Spears

          Jim Crawford Warren Buffett, in a recent interview.
          “I could end the deficit in 5 minutes, “You just pass a law that says that anytime there is a deficit of more than 3% of GDP, all sitting members of Congress are ineligible for re-election. The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only 3 months & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it. That was in 1971 – before computers, e-mail, cell phones, etc. Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took one (1) year or less to become the law of the land – all because of public pressure.

          These ideals should be passed around.
          Congressional Reform Act of 2012

          1. No Tenure / No Pension. A Congressman/woman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they’re out of office.
          2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security. All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.
          3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.
          4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.
          5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.
          6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.
          7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen/women are void effective 12/1/13. The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen/ women. Congress made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work. If each person emails a minimum of twenty people then it will only take three days for most people (in the U.S.) to receive the message. Don’t you think it’s time? Great ideals don’t you think. Sincerely, Trenton Spears

      • http://none Charlie

        where does it say in The Bible that all men are created equal??? or that King Jesus loves all men?

      • J.D. Ledford

        Patriot1776 is dead on with his analogy. We the people are getting what we deserve because we have sat on our butt’s and let these elite wanna be’s in Congress take our rights away.

      • Steve L.

        Liberals are the one’s who ALSO said there are no weapons of mass destruction, that we should not invade a coutnry that is not an immediate threat or attacking us, no yellow cake uranium, it will cost a trillion dollars to go into the middle east. There are not enough troops on the ground,if tax breaks for the wealthy creates jobs, WHERE ARE ALL THE JOBS,WALLSTREET????

      • diamond1957

        Oh, to be young again, and to know what I know now.
        yes if life only had a rewind button, but all my magic was spent on a misguided youth,
        I can blame the sixties for muddying the waters, and the resulting generation war between a shocked(parents) generation whom themselves shocked their parents, funny though music never got the full credit it deserved, just try and imagine how swing, boogie music meant “OMG” in the same way rock&roll did. The big changes where cultural, and each generation felt it had to define itself in its own way, cause they felt so misunderstood, yet its what we left behind that hurts us now, values that werent passed along in the same way as generations before, can we rediscover those lost values, and can their meaning ever be re-understood, let alone accepted by a fractured society,now if its not economics then surely its racial, with politics sweeping up behind it all. Sex, drugs, and rock&roll, the vises where many, and the unwanted babies, over doses, and raging hangovers taught us zero. Today its all about the freebies, something for nothing, we even got a political party that stands on that platform, will this, or can this younger generation learn in time what we didn’t, history is the answer, history is the wise teacher. Know it or be doomed to repeat it.
        thank you all, I feel much better now, how bout you.

      • Rob


      • Matt Cuddy

        “The Tree of Liberty has to be refreshed with the blood of tyrants and patriots from time to time”

        Lock ‘n load my brothers. Time to dust off that old rifle and use it.

      • David Houston

        I couldn’t have put it better!! The whole purpose of a republic is for the peolpe to be involved, and act as watchdogs, over the actions of the government! When people get complacent and get caught-up in their own lives to the point that they don’t oversee their government officials and their actions, then it is the peoples fault that government has over reached and usurped unconstitutional authority!



      • http://PersinalLibertyAlerts Betty

        If we, true American, don’t get our heads out of the sand and stand up for our rights, we deserve what we get! People, we do have rights! We do not have to take this crap that Obama and the Democrats are trying to dish out to us. Voting is the only right that we have to fight back! I do not care if you are Republican, Independant, are whatever. Vote this B——d out of office! I never thought I would say that about a President, but I am saying it like I see it! We have let them take over, now it is time to TAKE IT BACK!!!!!

      • Oldbutnotadumbbutt2012

        I’ll Agree with you on That,Wildey.As long as their are True Americans who are not afraid to stand-up,and speak the real truth,there will always be an american Nation.May GOD help US!!!

      • Gary

        I have two words……………….RON PAUL……………………

      • twistedstick

        The one thing I hear all the time when I start talking about politics is oh I don’t much listen or I don’t care their all crooked, or I don’t want to get involved in that stuff. Most doesn’t even know who the VP is or who their state congressman name is.About all most know about is what on TV or their buddy told them on a bar stool. This country be a little bit different country if everyone would pay just a little more attention what going on around them. When Obama come on TV and tell the American public they can nolonger be turn down for health ins. and their kids can stay on their plan until 26, oh that greats thing since slice bread, well guess what did they happen to read or even care enought to see what in the other 2,600 page how this bill helps the unions, oh just pass it and then we will look it over behind close doors. If you look in your checking account and found $500 missing you sure as hell try and find out where it went, same with our freedom, wake up Americans the freedom thieves are at your door and in some case already in your house. I”m an independent voter a vet. retired logger and my job was one of the first to go, love my country, to me the far left are the red coat and they are coming and when they talk they seem to tell only part of the truth and what going on, good luck next time you want the supreme court do the right thing.

        P.S. not a good speller or writer
        but I love my country so don’t pick on me for
        my writing but my opinion Joe

      • Sturgeon Riley

        well said

      • Joe brooks

        Agreed, if we return to the true vision of the Founders:

        Return to the economic policy the country was founded upon. If we had elected officials that would reinstate Alexander Hamilton’s American School of Economics, tariffs on imports, building America’s infrastructure, supporting manufacturing and innovation, supporting engineering and technical education and citizen development, using the import tariff funds to pay off Federal debt, provide grants to industry and innovators and creating a nationwide environment of prosperity, causing us to become self sufficient and self reliant, we could get back on track. /wiki/American_School_(economics)

        The political leaders of America from 1789 to 1970 followed the American System, not British free trade looting, not Libertarian or Objectivist or Communist Psycho Babble, but The Founding Fathers method of promoting the general welfare. They created the greatest country to ever exist. There is no excuse, whatsoever, for abandoning this policy.

        Adam Smith and “free trade” looting and colonization were major factors in the War of Independence:

        “Gentlemen deceive themselves.

        It is not free trade that they are recommending to our acceptance. It is, in effect, the British colonial system that we are invited to adopt; and, if their policy prevail, it will lead, substantially, to the recolonization of these States, under the commercial dominion of Great Britain.” The above quote comes from Henry Clay’s “In Defence of The American System”.

        His thoughts apply just as well, today. Red China, India and many others have learned this lesson, we have politicians and foreign lobbying groups faking patriotism who choose to ignore it. The quote comes from pages 23, 24.

    • Daveh234

      Patriot1776 says “you only have freedom of speach in this country if you speak against christianity, if you promote perversion and filth.”
      What a twisted remark. He calls himself Patriot?

      • Patriot1776

        My appologies Dave, an interupption of thought and I hit submit before finishing. The rest of the thought is;

        …if you promote perversion and filth you are protected and honored. The Bible is rapidly being either banned in public or rewritten into some “non-offensive” fable.

      • RW113

        Yet Patriot was essentially correct – Courts allow anti-Christians for force their views on the children of Christians and call it “freedom of speech” – even in our schools – while those that read the bible during quiet time, wear a cross necklace to school, or say “god bless America” are often suspended or expelled from school, and Court’s support atheists request to ban their presence from public places -

    • Al

      And Obama the lizards tail end. other wise known as One Big Ass Mistake America

    • sonny kilgrow

      Are you high? Four more years of Obummer & that will really make your decade won’t it? I honestly do not believe that the policies of ANY Republican or Dummycrat can pull this country back on the rails! That is exactly the reason why ‘ we the people’ need to Tea Party our asses off! Get rid of the junk & start fresh. At least Romney has the honest humility to listen to us over the next four years. We’ll be doing real good to just get rid of the moron we’ve got now!

    • rodney burke

      It’s time for REAL leadership and Mitt is not it! I want someone like Alan West who HAS proven leadership, not once but continuous. I demand as do many others, that the RNC get some you know what’s and nominate a real leader, I don’t want a 2008 redo. The way the Repubs did NOT support John McCain and go after this fraud is shameful. They almost ALLOWED this debacle to happen and I am very angry! Believe me, I am NOT alone in that assessment!

      • Trenton Spears

        Rodney Burke Your selection of Allen West is noble and a good choice. I personally support Allan West and he has a very bright future and I believe that there will be a place for Allen in the Romney Administation if we stand behind Mitt Romney and defeat Obama. Mitt Romney when his 2012 campaign was started he was not a clear choice of the Republican Party and it took a lot of work on Romneys part to convince the Republican voters to except him. It still looks that they are a few doubting Thomas ‘s out there. John McCain lost because of the disatrous world collapse of the economy in September of 2008. McCain and Palin were leading after the Republican Convention and things looked good for McCain and Palin. The American voters became uncertain and fell for Obama’s hope and change promise. Obama did not have a record except his socialist leaning affiliation with very radical associations. I personally was informed enough in 2008 that this nominee would be a disaster for our Nation. We got the change but lost the hope and the battle cry became { ” Obama ” I’ll keep my Gun’s and Money… You can keep the change..} This years election is so important it is like we are fighting the American Revolutionary War all over again except we won’t use guns we must use the ballot box to restore our nation back to the ideals of the Founding Fathers. Obamas now has a record for the American voter to make the right decision based on Obama’s disasterous record. Rodney I know that there are many Republican voters out there that did not have their choice nominated but the cause is to great the need is so severe that we must defeat the most radical and socialist vetted President in the history of this Nation. Lets pull together and support the Repubican Conventions choice to win this Nation back. Sincerely, Trenton Spears

    • Bobby

      Yes David, Tell me what you have done in this life that was so good for other people. Its usually you folks with your hand out that are always looking for someone to take care of you and that know the productive people of the world will always take care of you. Are you still pampered by mommie or did you just hop across the border with most of the others looking for a free hand out. You could never accomplish the good that Mitt Romney has done and not charged for it. He is a true christian valued individual. I think it better you crawl back under your rock until you really understand the state this country of ours is in.

      • Michael Alan McSpadden

        I am a Christian. I have worked all my life. Worked my way through collage twice. As to Mitt. We will see. I have heard the same grand words before every election and the new pres turns out to be just as sorry as the one before or worse. I believe in my heart that none of the candidates are honest. All voting is these days it pick the least evil. None of our voting or talk is going to do any good until our votes are our lives.
        Joel 3:9-10
        9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
        10 Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

      • David Houston

        You need to crawl out from under your rock and realize that there is no difference in Romney and Obama and what they believe! The only candidate that shows a true contrast of either is Ron Paul! He is the only one who will follow the Constitution as it is written and will work to end the Fed and illegal taxation!! Romney’s campaign is funded by the same Goldman-Sachs and other bankers as Obama’s campaign! Ron Paul gets no funding from these people because they know he will work to put and end to their extortion of Americans hard earned money!!

  • priscilla rutland

    all it takes is one bad apple (roberts) to mess up whats right. I guess the Supreme Court should not br the end-all of all decisions . The people should have some say–be taken into consideration.

    • Mike

      We do — it is called the ballot box.

      • worldsage2

        …and if the ballot box is rigged?

      • Sanders

        Ballotbox rigged? How dare you imply such a thing of George Soros. LOL

    • Krazeehors

      We all need to calm down, top and think about this for a minute, regain rational thought, and STOP to THINK about this for a second.

      I strongly disagree with the decision, however, Roberts, in voting with the liberal side of the Court DID reveal the individual mandate for what it has ALWAYS been — A TAX ON THE MIDDLE CLASS — THE BIGGEST TAX INCREASE SINCE 1993; AND THE OUTRIGHT ROBBERY OF SENIOR CITIZENS IN THE $500 BILLION CUT TO MEDICARE, WHICH OBAMA READILY ADMITS WILL BE USED TO FUND SOCIAL PROGRAMS — NOT HEALTHCARE!!

      Now, boys and girls, Americans do NOT like tax increases. Americans do NOT like being lied to, and Obama has been doing it since he first announced his candidacy in 2007.

      And, in voting with the majority, Roberts DID, in fact, SAVE all Americans from the effects we would all be feeling if the individual mandate had become part of the Commerce Clause of the Constitution. If it had been attached as “Commerce” it would have set a very important precedent that would have allowed the government to literally take over everything we purchase, period. The kind of food we purchase in the grocery store, sugar, sweets, etc. Remember, that Michelle has absolute DISDAIN for “fat people.” She doesn’t do any of the stuff she allegedly “stands for” because she cares about obesity. Get real.

      And, in FOUR HOURS, the Romney campaign raised $2.7 million dollars in campaign contributions.

      Also, this decision fundamentally REDEFINED the campaign. Obama was going to make the campaign about Obamacare vs. Romneycare.

      He has NOW made the campaign about TAXES!!!!!

      Now is the time to educate the woefully uninformed in this country. Reach out to those who refuse to pay attention to what is going on because “if it is bad news, they don’t want to hear it.” Now is the time to educate those who repeat Obama’s talking points and don’t inform themselves.

      The door is open, and Elvis has left the building. It won’t be long now before the chickens come home to roost!

      • nc

        Krazee, just like income taxes became necessary to provide for the needs of a growing country if for nothing more than a military capable of protecting us t and roads to serve our free market, The costs of those things and the increase in population has required an increase in taxes over the years! We aren’t going to get any smaller, things will probably won’t get any cheaper and our major parties seem to spend liberally on their favorite toys! Even the conservatives spend LIBERALLY on defense and their other pet projects!
        Even the tea party favorites in congress receved billions in ear marks!
        You can chant for a third party to rise up but third parties today are looking for a phone booth in which to hold their NATIONAL conventions!! WE CAN FOLLOW THE ROMNEY METHOD AND SHIP OUR PROBLEMS OVER SEAS! OH! WAIT!! THAT RAISES ANOTHER PROBLEM!

  • Paul Wells

    As I see it, this problem has been brought about by the “go along to get along” crowd which has turned a fair number of Repubs into RINO’s. What has amazed (and maddened) me, is they talk a good conservative game…until they get in office! We need some good solid conservative leadership in the ‘R’ party, or else we can just start calling it Republican Lite. I wish Dr. Paul had been able to do better in the primary, but face it, he didn’t, so I wouldn’t give up on the ‘R’s altogether, but we do need to get the wuss-bag RINOS out!

    • Mary-Lee

      If you want Ron Paul to still be elected, write him in! I wouldn’t mind that at all.

      • Alex

        Please, please, please Teabaggers—-write Ron Paul in as a Third Party—or, rather, Third RAIL KKKandidate. We thinking people of the Left will rest easier at night!!

      • Opal the Gem

        And once again Alex passes massive gas. This one was very wet and juicy. Hope he changes his tighty whities before he leaves the basement and joins mommy in the den.

  • http://google john p.

    The Chief Justice made a big mistake on Obama care . he let
    justice KAGAN vote on Obama care . she wrote Obama care
    she should not have had the right to vote on it . and Roberts
    should be dealt with or re-vote on Obama care.

    • jopa

      He also let Clarence Thomas vote and he should have never been able to due to the activism of his wife and himself.His wife is a full blown Teabagger.

      • rb

        Yes but he didn’t help write the law that was being reviewed.

      • Sanders


        Kagan, Sotomayor and Ginsberg are all extreme left wing liberal pukes. Ginsberg even had the audacity to trash the US Constitution during her visit in Egypt. All 3 of these should not even be a justice let alone be allowed to vote on this issue or anything that has to do with Constitutionality. The SCOTUS has simply become yet another useless branch of federal government loaded up with left and right wing activists.

      • Steve E

        You want a Teabagger to make the right decisions because they are the only ones that can do so.

      • Ted Crawford

        The ideaologyof someones spouse should have no bearing on any issue. They may be married but they aren’t requird to share the same beliefs and many do not IE the Carvells and Napolitanos.

      • Michael J.

        jopa said,

        “He also let Clarence Thomas vote”

        What a racist thing to say! You people just can’t stand the fact that there is a black judge on The Supreme Court.

      • Sanders


        Don’t get me wrong, I am in no way aligning myself with jopa’s way of thinking by any stretch of the imagination. However, his post did not reference the color of Thomas’s skin at all, he was referring to the fact that he and his wife are staunch supporters of the Tea Party. A great party to support I might add.

    • ET

      I am a legally documented alien and have wondered why this matter wasnt raised until now. J.Kagan recused herself from the Az border case because of her previous involvement. She was far more heavily involved in Obamacare but did not recuse herself. J.Roberts was asked many months ago why she shouldnt be recused and he said Justices would know when they shoud recuse themselves and it was not for the Chief Justice to intervene. Why have a Chief Justice? That is when this ET first smelled a rat.

      • Sanders

        Roberts didnt demand her to recuse because he knew if she did his left wing vote wouldnt be enough to uphold this POS legislation. He is a Liberal in disguise.

      • Ted Crawford

        Yet another on a long, and ever growing, list of bad decisions by Bush !

      • http://yahoo Larry

        good job ET

      • Sanders


        “Yet another on a long, and ever growing, list of bad decisions by Bush!”

        Bush’s poor decisions over a 8 year span has already been dwarfed by those of Obummer in 3 1/2 years. Doesnt excuse Bushs bad decisions, just thought I toss in a comparison for thought.

    • Blaze

      John, all of us are angry but if you read the whole document you’ll realize that two things happened. The government can not compell the citizens to buy something using the commerce clause.

      Second is that by calling the funding for Obama Care a tax, it can be repealed by the vote of EVERY citizen of the United States of America. If this does not compell everyone of voting age to act, then we deserve what we get.

      • Michael J.

        “Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we practice to deceive”
        So Cheif Justice Roberts decision plus his comments imposed a mandate on the voting public to vote for Romney in November. A Romney win will quell the beating hearts of those up in arms over the impending globalization efforts. Tired and over due for a siesta, and thinking that everyting has returned to hunky-dorryness, it’s off to once again bask in the complacency of being draped over the couch watching American Idol and re-runs of The Simpsons while the covert enslavement of America switches to stealth mode.

        Meanwhile, Romney promises to ax Obamacare his first day in office. Obamacare was based on Romneycare and he could no more easily kill it than Abraham could sacrifice his son. The more likely scenario is that in 18 or so months from now we will be expected to acclamate to Romneycare 2.0 with expanded bells and whistles and a free I-Phone for signing up.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        Michael J. Romney has said it should be up to the states to pass legislation like Romney care if they want to but it is NOT the feds place to do so. If he is elected we will see if he truely believes that and starts the repeal process or if he renigs on his word and lets it stand on some pretense or other.

      • Michael J.

        If seated upon the throne… He will renig. Get set for Romneycare 2.0

    • Krazeehors

      Yes, but Roberts could not force Kagan to recuse herself. This is part of the cover-up in the DOJ — and I think that is part of the reason that Obama claimed Executive Privilege — it actually had very little to do with Fast and Furious and had EVERYTHING to do with Kagan and how HE defrauded the Court with her appointment.

      Further, if at some point in the future, we all learn that he was ineligible to serve as POTUS to begin with, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF HIS APPOINTMENTS, LAWS, AND EXECUTIVE ORDERS WILL BE INVALIDATED.

      This is THE most corrupt administration in history.

  • Rasta

    AWW are the itty bitty Elephants sore losers? Yes they are!

    • Paul

      Yeah, it seemed they loved the Supreme Court just a few weeks ago. Something must have gone in their favor.

    • Dave

      Hehe. Viewing this as a strictly political matter is a grave mistake. The long term effects
      Of all these Usurpations will cause donkeys and elephants alike a great deal of misery,guaranteed!

    • http://peresonallibertydigest.. gottaplenty

      Not a matter of losing ,, get a breath of real air. The votes cast were not legal as all that the dems do is not legal. just go around the law, and pass commie law…

    • http://yahoo wendell

      Before you start gloating too much over the ruling that was made by Jon Roberts and say that it was a victory for the deomocrats you should read this: Roberts may have out smarted the dems and obama.

      • Sanders


        I think Erick Erickson may be on to something. Dick Morris, although I still don’t trust the turncoat, pretty much said the same thing.

    • http://yahoo Larry

      you do not know yet who is the losers, so why comment like that?

    • Krazeehors

      No, we aren’t. You are an uninformed (expletive deleted).

  • http://Yahoo Dan Sweet

    Roberts’s has sold the Republician Party and the believers in our Constitution out.
    We have lost all of our Constitutional freedoms. He did not Protect our Constitution
    he gave it away to these Marxist’s.He should be investigated. How much money were
    you paid or promised Chief Justice?? Where did George Soros deposit you’r CASH??

    • jopa

      Sweet Dan;Roberts didn’t sell anybody out he followed the rule of the law written within our Constitution.Just because the Constitution wasn’t written in your favor or what you wish it would have said doesn’t make it wrong.Roberts just displayed his true intellect of the law and the reason he is the Chief Justice and not you.He would politically have liked to struck down the ACA but that would have been the wrong decision Constitutionally.It was a great display of Judge Roberts integrity and this brought back a little legitimacy to the Supreme Court after all of their previous destructive anti American decisions.

      • http://yahoo Larry


      • Krazeehors

        Obama ALSO set a VERY important precedent on Tuesday when he told the country that the Feds would not abide by the Supreme Court Decision on immigration.

        All the states now have to do is inform Mr. Obama that THEY will not abide by the Supreme Court decision. Then Mr. Obama can take his “victory stroll” and shove it.

      • Vigilant

        Predictably, jopa says, “It was a great display of Judge Roberts [sic] integrity and this brought back a little legitimacy to the Supreme Court after all of their previous destructive anti American decisions.”

        Robert’s decision was politically and personally, not Constitutionally motivated. He went out of his way to legitimize the decision PURELY to lend the SCOTUS some air of nonpartisanship. And he used the most feeble of all the Solicitor General’s arguments to hang his hat upon.

        Charles Krauthammer has it pegged. A “tax” is not levied as a fine or punishment for failing to act. Even the administration, through their propaganda arm, is trying to sell it as such. In calling it a “penalty” for failing to act, they pin their argument on the very thing that was determined to be unconstitutional, i.e., using the the Commerce Clause.

        Moreover, if it is not a tax, why, pray tell, did the Solicitor General under direction from the administration, argue it as such?

        Are you “taxed” when you get a speeding ticket? Does a court levy a “tax” if you’re behind on child support? What “tax” is involved when a federal court assesses compensatory or punitive damages?

        No, Roberts got it completely wrong by changing the dictionary definition of “tax.”

        And your cited sentence indicates your leftist sentiments. Here’s news for you: the Supreme Court is not in the business of making “American” or “anti American” decisions. It’s charter is to rule on the Constitutionality of court cases, whether you statists feel they are “fair” or not.

    • Daveh234

      Justice Roberts did the apolitical right thing, he showed judicial restraint and judicial humility which he touted before his appointment. I thought that was the type of thing a justice department was supposed to do. Activism swings both ways sometimes and if it swings opposite your viewpoint it is condemned.

      • Sanders

        Dave and jopa,

        after reading this (thanks to poster wendell above for providing this link) , I take back my initial thoughts of justice Roberts being a Liberal in disguise. He did the right thing and this POS legislation, in the end, will end up where it belongs, in the circular file.

      • http://yahoo Larry

        there isn’t supposed to be ANY activism period!

      • Sanders


        You are correct! After reading the link above, I don’t believe there was any activist actions on Justice Roberts part. He ruled based on the constitutionality of the fine being in the form of a tax rather than a fine. He did his job according to how the SCOTUS was intended.

      • Krazeehors

        Roberts was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t. Obama began threatening the Court almost before the arguments were finished.

        If he had sided with the dissent (sp) he would have been branded an “activist judge” running an “activist court.”

        Because he sided with the liberals, he has now been accepted by the liberals as showing “judicial restraint,” and making himself the swing vote now and in the future.

      • Vigilant

        Daveh234 says, “I thought that was the type of thing a justice department was supposed to do.”

        Take a civics course, Dave. The Justice Department is under the Executive Branch, the Supreme Court is the Judicial Branch.

  • Michael Hallczuk

    The GOP has done nothing in the Last 3+ years to straighten things out. Just the party of NO. Then you are trying to nominate a idot to be Psesident. You had better try harder if you want my Vote.

    • momo

      Gee, what a choice, the idiot the Republicans nominated or the idiot in the White House…God help us.

    • Sanders

      The only reason why it appears as though the GOP has done nothing since the Tea Party landslide victories of 2010, is because once the passed bills from the house reaches the senate Harry Reid won’t even allow the bills to be voted on because he knows if he did better than half of them just might pass and make him and the other extreme left wing activists look stupid.

      • http://yahoo Larry


      • Carl Manning

        Yeah, like the Debt Debacle they passed with the Senate to screw us over real nicely. They even passed this monstrosity with the help of 68 out of 80 freshly elected TEA Partiers. The GOP is a joke.

    • Krazeehors

      You moron. The DEMS had a SUPER MAJORITY for the first two years!! They STILL have a majority in the Senate. Harry Reid is still in charge.

      The GOP has sent over 35 bills designed to deal with our economy to the Senate. Harry Reid will not even allow them to be debated in Committee.

      So who is the problem here?

      The Democrat-controlled SENATE!!!

  • dgllgh8

    They will be crying some more in november!

    • http://yahoo Larry

      yes,probably you!

  • Michael Papich

    Republican Nixon gave us Warren Berger, the Chief Justice when abortion was legalized. G.W. gave us Judas Roberts. Eisenhower gave us Earl Warren, all three of these presidents were Republicans. It is time to end the two part system that in reality is but different wings of one party.

    • John

      Roberts is another Benedict Arnold to the freedoms our founders fought and died for.

    • BigBadJohn

      write in Ron Paul

      If he gets enough percentage, maybe Washington will read the writing on the wall..

      • Sanders

        If he gets enough percentage, which won’t be enough to win the presidency, Obummer wins another 4 years. Then the ruling yesterday will be just a small blip on the screen of totally dismantling of the 1st and 2nd ammendments as Obummer will nominate at least 2 or 3 more left wing activists to the SCOTUS. You think your rights are being trampled on now?? huh, todays trampling will pale in comparison

      • Ted Crawford

        Yes John and mabey the Pope will convert to Islam, and mabey the moon really is made of green cheese. I would be far more willing to bet on either of my two mabeys than on yours!

      • http://yahoo Larry

        get over it already,if the people wanted Ron Paul, he would have gotten more traction in the primary. we can stay on the path to socialism or vote for freedom and capitalism. the choice is clear. at least for me, I’m locked and loaded. give me freedom or give me death!

      • Alex

        Silly Larry writes “freedom and Capitalism”—-what a hoot!

  • Deerinwater

    Consent has been giving it would appear, it’s more of a matter of you personally not agreeing with it, I would think.

    Mr. Livingston writes,”Of course, healthcare in America should rightfully be called deathcare. There is no desire from the mainstream medical community to cure disease. There is too much money to be had from continually treating disease and making people sick through government-mandated vaccinations.”

    No Sir, It’s being called the Affordable Health Care Act and it comes as a slight shifting away some from an “Employer based ” Health Care” provider Americans have became use to while it attempting to bring 30 to 40 million more Americans into a system that find themselves presently lock out of.

    The Federal government is asking Americans, employed or not, to take steps to be responsibility for their health care while at the same time insisting “insurance providers” offer basic product that are within reach for more Americans. Where as before Insurance Providers have only found it necessary to catered to the most lucrative aspect of the “Market” , willing to eat the heart out of the “market” while ignoring the rest.

    In as far as “disease” that is just one facet of health care, there are many others things that plagues mankind beside just disease. Vaccinations and disease are an issue unto it’s self and not actually germane to this discussion while Mr. Livingston is using money spent on vaccination & disease as a pretext to do so. .

    All Americans are being asked to be responsible for basic health care, that some of you through the current systems resent being asked with threat of penalty , I’m sorry that it offends you. But your offense and your subsidized healthcare coverage pails in comparison to the problems of addressing Health Care of a nation 325 million people where Emergency Room out patient care has overloaded the current system.

    • Paul

      Great post!

      • Deerinwater

        Thanks Paul, ~ just a viewpoint years in the making. I see it from all sides or attempt to. The Americans that have enjoyed status quo and subsidized care that discounted their health care premiums for many years, we cannot expect them to be pleased with these latest events and changes. Their position is being diminished in this search for a more fair and functional system that includes more Americans.

      • Jay

        First, deerinwater, how will it be funded? Obama claims that it is affordable, that savings from medicare and medicaid will fund this $3.8 trillion boon-doggle.

        For starters, we can expect a $12,000 per-individual mandatory insurance tab to be picked up by employers or individuals themselves. Should this be forced on small businesses, many if not most will go under. Individuals themselves will be fined and/or imprisoned for non-compliance. We must also consider the effect on the overall economy and national debt.

        The current administration has been printing money without restraint, causing the dollar to become devalued. Lenders, such as China, want to be repaid in currency that is at least worth as much as it was when loaned-it.

        Now to the national debt itself. If the government was to completely halt all spending it would take two generations to repay the debt- this being accomplished by the time the second generation reached retirement age, if they are lucky.

        There is another consideration as well; who will really benefit from the plan?

        Both chambers of Congress have opted out. When Charlie Gibson of ABC News asked President Obama if his family would participate, all he got was an incredulous stare as a response.

        The figures for currently uninsured individuals range from 40 to 60 million. This includes many young people who rarely visit a physician and simply do not need insurance.

        Obviously they would not benefit from having to pay $12,000 per-year for this program.

        It is estimated that 30% of doctors will quit practising medicine if the plan passes- apparently the medical profession does not feel that they will benefit.

        As with any government run program an enormous bureaucracy to oversee it’s implementation and operation must and will be created. It can be said then, that the government will benefit, not only in size and scope, but increased revenues (taxes) as well.

        There are a few others who will benefit from the Obamacare plan: illegal aliens, welfare recipients and others who contribute little or nothing to the economy but the overwhelming beneficiary will be the government itself.

        Furthermore, it is axiomatic that the bigger the government the more diminished our liberty. Contrary to the intent of the Framers, when government wins, we lose.

      • Deerinwater

        Jay says:
        June 29, 2012 at 6:52 pm
        First, deerinwater, how will it be funded?

        response; Are we not being mandated to invest in personal health care or accept a penalty? Is that not what all the howling is about? (I personal don’t believe that at all, it’s about being told to do anything by this president)

        ER medical service are some of the more expensive services Medical Care can provide. Jay, ER has been turned into the first line of defense for the uninsured in our nation today. This is not sustainable.

        This must change ~ if you know a better way to get it done ~ please share it with us.

      • Deerinwater

        “it is estimated that 30% of doctors will quit practising medicine if the plan passes- apparently the medical profession does not feel that they will benefit”

        Well, doctors a people too, with opinions ~ 30% being elevated and lofty, I would think the percentage higher.

        Let us see what they do, ~ if doctors had any balls about them as a whole, they would have never allowed the attorneys and insurance companies to take over their profession to begin with Jay. They must have been sold that it was a good deal , Right?

        Like I say, doctors are just people, ~ clearly not always knowing what is best for patients or themselves long term.

        Maybe they would like to scale a 27 ft ladder hanging on to a 30 pound jug of Freon and 24 pound tool belt around their waist on a toasty 104 degree day with me someday? After 4 or 6 trips up and down maybe being a doctor wouldn’t seem so bad after all.

        I lost the last good doctor I had, he quit but it wasn’t over earning money but insurance cost and responsibilities. He was tied, I was proud for him, he left and had some life left over.

      • Jay

        deer says: Like I say, doctors are just people, ~ clearly not always knowing what is best for patients or themselves long term.

        I tell you what, deer. Put down your pail, and go to medical school. After you have completed an undergraduate college for four years, attended medical school for four years and then three to eight years in residency training, i’ll consider your above statement a little more seriously. Until then, get up that ladder, and stop talking through your hat!

    • BigBadJohn

      By forcing/bringing folks into the healthcare system there is a potential for everyone to save. Currently, if a hospital accepts any federal funds, they are required to not turn anyone away in the ER.
      Which of course means that anyone that does not have insurance will go to the ER for any service they think they need, even minor issues like colds and flu. Emergency rooms charge 3-4 times more than a comparable doctors visit. If a lot of these “minor” issues could be taken care of in a doctors office instead, this could represent a huge savings.

      As far as being “forced” to buy insurance, you currently are required to have insurance to drive a car – what’s the difference?

      • Patriot1776

        The difference is that I am not forced to drive a car. If I choose to accept the responsibility of driving a car, I must meet the requirements which include being of age, following the laws, and acquiring insurance.

      • Ted Crawford

        Auto insurance is a function of State Governments not the Fed. !

      • http://yahoo Larry

        big difference! see coments below

    • Scott in SC

      I can’t see how mandating that I purchase insurance will make it affordable; it’s assured that premiums will rise as a result of the mandate.
      I don’t have health insurance now because I can’t afford it and making me pay a fine because I can’t afford it is still leaving me with no healthcare. It’s the same situation for me; I can’t afford health insurance yet I pay taxes to subsidize it for someone else.

      • Sanders

        EXACTLY Scott! Socialized medicine and tyranny at it’s best. I have 2 sisters who will be subjected to the same as you, they cannot afford health care and still won’t be able to even if this law brings the cost down a little, yet they will somehow have to save up enough to pay their new tax(fine) for not insuring themselves.

      • Karolyn

        Scott – At least here in C’fld Co. we have Care South, that charges on a sliding scale, and Mercy In Me Free Clinic in Cheraw. The Clinic just raised their maximum yearly earnings limit to (if I recall correctly) $24,000. I have always felt that Care South should be a model. When I first moved her, I would go there, get my bloodwork done, see a counselor and even got an ultrasound once; and it only cost me $20 no matter what was done within one visit.

      • Scott in SC

        Good for you Karolynn but I don’t qualify. One must be currently employed or receiving unemployment to prove they meet the income requirement; I am neither.

      • Alex

        That, Scott, is why the ACA has been diluted from the original goal of a single-payer, Medicaid-for-all system.

        There is something very wrong with Fright Wingers so gladly giving THEIR dollars to Big Oil, the military-industrial whores, and the very wealthiest of citizens, yet whining about using these same public money to do GOOD by providing health care to fellow citizens.

      • Karolyn

        Scott – My response to you posted below instead of here.

  • Chester

    Bob, you must be too young to remember all the ill effects of NO vaccinations. I remember forty or fifty kids a year being infected with polio, and a quarter of those dying, about ten per cent in iron lungs, and the rest with various handicaps, I can remember days when a quarter of the school was absent due to chicken pox or the mumps, or any of a number of other “childhood diseases.” Now we cry if five percent of ONE class is missing for any reason, let alone all for the same illness. Grow up and get a life, as what you are preaching now will cost a lot more lives than it saves.

    • Bob Livingston

      Dear Chester,

      You write: “Bob, you must be too young to remember all the ill effects of NO vaccinations. I remember forty or fifty kids a year being infected with polio, and a quarter of those dying, about ten per cent in iron lungs, and the rest with various handicaps, I can remember days when a quarter of the school was absent due to chicken pox or the mumps, or any of a number of other ‘childhood diseases.’ I will say that if you’re older than me, you are very old.

      You write: “Grow up and get a life, as what you are preaching now will cost a lot more lives than it saves.” You are ignorant. Begin your education here:

      I can supply you with more information after your propagandized brain is able to assimilate this.

      Best wishes,

      • S0114

        Bob, you are the one listening to propaganda. None of these links have any scientific basis for their claims. Anyone can get a website and make claims. It does not make them true. This one is actually factual.

      • Karolyn

        Scott – I had no income when I was being charged $20 for services by Care South. I was wrong about Mercy in Me. The income limit for singles is $21,000 and $44,000 for families. Are you talking about MIM or CS? I don’t know all the particulrs about MIM; however, what you stated seems kind of weird. In other words, you have to have an income to qualify for low or no-cost services?

      • Jay

        (NaturalNews) In a recent TED conference presentation, Microsoft billionaire Bill Gates, who has donated hundreds of millions of dollars to new vaccine efforts, speaks on the issue of CO2 emissions and its effects on climate change. He presents a formula for tracking CO2 emissions as follows: CO2 = P x S x E x C.

        P = People
        S = Services per person
        E = Energy per service
        C = CO2 per energy unit

        Then he adds that in order to get CO2 to zero, “probably one of these numbers is going to have to get pretty close to zero.”

        Following that, Bill Gates begins to describe how the first number — P (for People) — might be reduced. He says:

        “The world today has 6.8 billion people… that’s headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent.”

        So what does it mean when Bill Gates says “if we do a really great job on new vaccines… we could lower [world population] by 10 or 15 percent?”

        Clearly, this statement implies that vaccines are a method of population reduction. So is “health care,” which we all know to be more of a “sick care” system that actually harms more people than it helps.

        Perhaps that’s the whole point of it. Given that vaccines technology help almost no one from a scientific point of view, it raises the question: For what purpose are vaccines being so heavily pushed in the first place?

        Bill Gates seems to be saying that one of the primary purposes is to reduce the global population as a mechanism by which we can reduce CO2 emissions.

        Listen to Billy’s own words:

  • Whatzrname

    To all the idiots who voted for ovomit, I don’t want to hear one little complaint when your insurance premiums go thru the roof, your elderly parent gets denied a lifesaving treatment, or no one will hire you because they don’t want to deal with obummercare- not one little peep-!

    • http://peresonallibertydigest.. gottaplenty

      If it could be fixed so the ones that vote for obummer care could be the only ones affected by it , I would say get after it and leave the thinking public out of your self made problems….

      • Sanders

        If only any of the laws the bobble heads in congress and senate pass would apply to them as much as they apply to the citizens at large. If that were the case then most of the ludicrous laws on the books would never have even been brought up for discussion. Most of them, right and left, are tyrants at best.

    • Deerinwater

      ” I don’t want to hear one little complaint when your insurance premiums go thru the roof, your elderly parent gets denied a lifesaving treatment, or no one will hire you because they don’t want to deal with obummercare- not one little peep-!”

      Well premium cost had soared 300% in 20 years but only for those that could once thought they could afford it while finding themselves force completely out of the market all together.

      For those of us that pay taxes and vote , we have bitching rights, we have no plans to give them up.

      No deal Buckwheat!

      • Jay

        deer says:” I don’t want to hear one little complaint when your insurance premiums go thru the roof, your elderly parent gets denied a lifesaving treatment, or no one will hire you because they don’t want to deal with obummercare- not one little peep-!”

        The only one’s complaining about the so-called soaring-private-insurance-premiums, which naturally increase, as does everything else, are the progressives. And its not just a “peep”, but a full-blown, drama-queen, hysterical-howling.

  • lonnswanson

    No one actually did not want health care reform. Many people DID NOT want to entirely replace their health care system with Obamacare or to require people to purchase somethng they did not want, period. This is an overstepping of the will of the people by a president who mistakenly thinks socialized medicine will be an improvement. Ha!

    • http://peresonallibertydigest.. gottaplenty

      I remember when Hillery tried to impose socialized medicine on the American people It was peanuts beside Obummer care and the people rejected it.. What happened. Must have had more public education since then.

      • Ted Crawford

        No quite the opposite ! A large portion of our wiser more experienced seniors passed away, leaving inexperienced , immature youth to make foolish choices!
        I was the same situation that allowed Social Security to be implemented. They had been trying to force that on America since the turn of the 20th. century.

  • teaparty13

    So, does this mean that the 49% that don’t pay any taxes get a free ride on me and other taxpayers? What will happen to the 26 yr olds that become 27 yr olds & still don’t have a job, who pays for them? I live on a fixed income, already feds take 10% every month, plus the health ins I pay every month, how much more am I going to have to pay for some slug that never worked or paid taxes? The SC really opened a can or worms, so everything that BO(stinky) wants will now be ok if called a tax?

  • jopa

    Whatrname: Are you referring to ovomitt romney by chance?Just askin.

  • David Klausmeyer

    We are stuck with this situation. During the next Presidential term, there will most likely be several Supreme Court appointee opportunities. Do we want Barack Obama making these decisions? We must suck it up and vote straight Republican! Not voting or voting for some obscure candidate is the same as voting for Obama.

    • Bobby

      And voting straight Republican tickets sends what message to the GOP? That you will accept whatever candidate they put forth. You got Romney because you accepted and voted for Bush. You will continue to get Romney’s and Bush’s as long as there is an upside for the GOP.

      If you want to send a message, don’t vote Romney, let them take a huge loss, deal with four more years of Obama and make sure the GOP knows that in 2016 you want a REAL choice. Otherwise, expect more of the same forever.

      • Marlene Bell

        Whew! I’ve heard everything if you are preaching that it is best to let Obama have 4 more years to punish those that have voted GOP. At some point in time we have to try and turn this big ship around and letting the Dictator In Chief have another 4 more unfettered years in the White House is absurd. Can you imagine this president ruling completely by executive order to get around Congress for another 48 months not having to worry about a reelection? I think not. Bad idea to let the people “have it” that have voted GOP to this point. Boo Bad ~

      • Patriot1776

        Rather than vote against the GOP and allow the emperor to further drag down this country, why not vote for America, get obama out of office, force the representatives and senators to stand up for the Constitution that they swore to uphold, and after the election and repeal of this disaster, then we can either rework the GOP to be a conservative party to stand for America and against big government, or we can grow the Tea Party to become the 2nd party. The GOP can choose to support us, or join the socialists.

      • Deerinwater

        Well stated Bobby ; ~ It’s so good to know that some people seen that and accept it as so.

        The GOP would offer you Donald Duck if he was in their pocket.

        The GOP leadership has different ideas about what a Presidents job is and where his responsibilities lies then the DNC and that is why they offer this candidates.

        Until you change , they won’t change.

      • Jay

        deer says:The GOP leadership has different ideas about what a Presidents job is and where his responsibilities lies then the DNC and that is why they offer this candidates.

        They sure do, deer. The GOP believes the President must not usurp the Constitution by granting himself powers beyond that which the Constitution allows.

      • Vigilant

        No, Deer, you and Bobby got it completely wrong. Moreover, neither of you address the point brought up by David Klausmeyer. Got those Alinsky feelings again?

        It may boil down to the ONLY reason to vote Romney, and that’s the the most important reason. SCOTUS replacements will serve for years, possibly decades, and the USA cannot afford to skew the 4-4-swing decisions in favor of leftist judicial activism. Another term for Obama could bring us the perfect storm of dictatorial president, spineless Congress and ultimately, a leftist majority on the court that has NO respect for the Constitution.

        BobWire/Deer says, “The GOP would offer you Donald Duck if he was in their pocket.” And I would vote for him over Obama any day of the week.

        Then, “The GOP leadership has different ideas about what a Presidents [sic] job is and where his responsibilities lies then [sic] the DNC and that is why they offer this [sic] candidates.” You’re right. The GOP and the American people have a right to expect that their president will act according to his Constitutionally mandated duties, NOT the powers he can usurp as Obama and the DNC would wish.

    • http://yahoo Larry

      so true David!

  • Dr.G.

    Although we know there’s not much difference in the Dems and Reps, anyone who votes for a third party candidate will take away from getting Obomus out of office. This is do or die for our Republic. VOTE REPUBLICAN OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES OF A HIGHLY TAXED, SOCIALISTIC, DICTATOR-TYPE AMERICAN KING! DR. G.

    • BigBadJohn

      You are right there is not much difference between parties. Remembet that socialist prescription drug program? Who pushed that through? -
      Bush and a republican controlled house and senate.

      As far as spending, Bush inherited a 100 billion dollar deficit and turned it into a 1.4 TRILLION dollar deficit. an INCREASE of 1400%

      Republicans are not going to save you.

      Write in Ron Paul

      • Sanders

        RP is not going to win either, doesnt have a strong enough following. However, if he were to be a cabinet member for Romney he could work from the inside and hopefully spread his wisdom in a very useful manner.

      • BigBadJohn


        You are correct, maybe IF RP got a good cabinet position he could work from within.

        However, I am sick and tired of trying to vote for the lesser of two evils – it never turns out that way. I voted for Bush as the lesser of two evils – big mistake, he increased the deficit by 1400% and brought us the patriot act, TSA., two wars, unconstitutional wire tapping, and loss of habius corpus. I voted for Obama as the lesser of two evils – another big mistake, he is expanding on what Bush started. I refuse to make those kinds of mistakes again.

        Even if I am throwing my vote away it will be for a principled stand.

        Ron Paul it is……

      • http://yahoo Larry

        duh, Ron Paul IS a republican! or at least was running on the republican primary. Libertarian I know, but not a good choice overall. he has some good qualities, but is an isolationist. and that just will not work in todays world.

      • BigBadJohn

        Isolationism won’t work? What do you think will work? meddling in other countries internal affairs?

        How did the Shaw of Iran work out for us?

        How did supporting Saddam work out for us?

        How did invading Iraq work out for us?

        How did supplying arms and training to the mujahedin work out for us?

        And the biggest cause of middle east unrest is from the British seizing the Gaza strip and opening to Jewish immigration.

        I personally think keeping our nose out of other countries business is a wiser choice.

    • J Saunders

      Sorry, Dr. G., but I have voted for the so-called Republican candidate for too long, just to watch each of them become more and more like the Dumbocrats that I wanted to avoid. My wife and I will be writing in Ron Paul. We will not continue to compromise our beliefs in the hope of maybe getting a conservative.
      It seems that each time we vote Republican, the establishment takes it as an acceptance of their less-than-conservative choices, and justifies the next bad candidate that they thrust upon us. So, sorry, but I am with Jazzabelle and BigBad John.

  • Viet Nam Vet 67-68

    If everyone refuses to pay the TAX for not doing what they want the Government will not be able to house all of the non payers. I for one will go to jail and take up room and cost them money to house me for as long as it takes. I am tired of Corrupt Government Control and don’t forget the Majority of Congress has backed most of Obaminations bills and National Debt spending. Vote 98% of Congress out of office. Utah just put Hatch back in office and they the voter (idiots) believe in Insanity putting the Status Quo back in office and expecting a change. Did not Hatch vote for the three bills that took our 1st and 5th Amendment Rights away? Americans vote both sides out of office especially the 80 Communists supported by the Democratic Socialists Party , that is a communist organization, making them Communists, what part of Communism do you Liberals and V|Blacks like, the Slavery part. Communism id slavery of the mind and body taking away your means to better yourself and guaranteeing that there will be Poverty and the Ultra Rich. You will have no control just like Russia was like for over 70 years. Wake up before the Brown Shirts, U.N., Black Panthers and Muslims are pounding on your door taking you away to an internment camp and possibly being sent oversea’s and having your citizenship taken away and all your posessions and money. Those are the three Bills that our Corrupt Congress passed with a Major Majority vote, BOTH SIDES.

    • Sanders

      Viet Nam,

      If you get a paycheck like I do, unfortunately you will not be given that choice as it will come out of your check before you get it. Just like the new tax that was levied against employer furnished life insurance. This benefit, that I or my family might never get to see any benefit of because I may resign or be resigned, is now taxed. I have been paying this tax since Obummercare was passed. It shows up on my W2 form at the end of the year. Just one of many new taxes that will be levied to pay for this monstrous money/power grab.

      • jopa

        Sanders : If you are not already on Medicare you probably will be by 2014 when the law kicks in and it won’t make any differance to you whatsoever.If you have private insurance it won’t matter to you if you want to keep it.What the ACA will do is put millions of more customers paying a minimal fee on the insurance programs offered and with all these new customers existing rates will go down.When everyone pays a little no one has to pay a lot.

      • Patriot1776

        Jopa, since you are such an expert, can you explain to me how it is going to work for the 49% of Americans who are already on welfare or medicare? Who will be paying their share?

        If the law of supply and demand truly works, by adding 30 million more users to the system, without a corresponding increase in the supply, how does the price go down?

        When the government regulates the amount a doctor can charge for his services and the number of doctors decreases because it is no longer a lucrative field and the benefit of earning a decent living is no longer worth the investment in education to become a doctor, what does that do to the price?

      • Sanders

        You just don’t get it do you jopa? Government run healthcare is a death sentence to the American medical system as we know it. The cost of government to run anything is, by and large, 2 to 3 times more expensive than the private industry. There is a lot of truth to the old saying that a hammer purchased from the government cost $50.00, whereas the same hammer purchased from the private sector cost only $15.00, this due mostly to the bureaucratic red tape that must be worked through just to cut a PO.

        Some government official is going to have the say as to whether or not you get the medical treatment you need, based on cost, not actual need. That will save money in one sense, the tax payers will no longer have to pay for your medical bills as there will be none. Not to mention the 15,000 additional IRS agents that will be hired to police the tax payers to ensure the fines are doled out and paid for those who cannot afford the insurance and to pressure private industry so supply insurance that they cannot afford to offer.

    • http://yahoo Larry

      I am with you, free health care room and board, let the idiots who vote Obama in pay for our incarceration.

      • jopa

        Patriot: There are millions of Americans that are working and refuse to be responsible for their health care.They know if they go to the ER they will be cared for on our dime at an exaggerated price because the Guv. will pay for their injury or sickness.They will be the ones that will be penalized or fined for their inaction.They amount to only one percent of the Americans that will be affected.

    • GALT

      Well since there is NO PENALTY for not paying the PENALTY……this works like everything else…… believe and THEY WIN……..

      There was this idiot who had a wife……she said JUST SAY NO

      Hey he made a movie with a monkey………you ever seen it? Want to? Bob?

      Streaming live………

      • GALT

        I think ole bob may be running…….it’s the right thing…….that’s what an immoral stupid person would do?

        Where are those common law and equity courts?` CHIP shots? One at a time……

        • Bob Livingston

          Dear GALT,

          You write: “I think ole bob may be running…….it’s the right thing” Running from what?

          You write: “.that’s what an immoral stupid person would do?” Resorting to ad hominems now? By the way, the ad hominem directed toward my staff writers did not go unnoticed. I will refer you to the comment policy.

          Best wishes,

      • Michael J.

        Disrespect for The Great Communicator will win you no points on my score board. And his wife was the picture of what a first lady should be, providing strength and backing instead of gleam and glitter to shine her own star.

        So no, you’re the one who’s Bonzo, and be sure to disinfect your keyboard in case it is contagious.

      • GALT

        Which particular “ad hominum” were you noticing? Your referral is of course duly noted,
        in fact, I marvel at the consistency of its use and application……….passionately, of course.

        So the common law and equity courts? Constitutionality? Seems to be a big gap in understanding……….very strange, especially since you get the “gold and silver” thing back……….curious, would a “solution” be bad for business?

        Of course, you will have absolutely NO IDEA what I am talking about………huh?

      • Jay

        Galt, now you’re just embarrassing yourself.

  • dan valascho

    that is part of saul awlinsky’s text book; intimidate and the rest will go along quetly. i will stand and fight and the only weapon (albeit flawed) is the republican party..

    • Ted Crawford

      The tactic is, as you state, from Uncle Alinskies books,and it’s being used to implement a Cloward-Pivin technique, to destroy Capitalism by overburdening its safety-nets !

  • Polski

    Bob Livingston, THANK YOU!!! You said it all. I never thought I’d see it in any media.

  • loboviejo

    In the words of Joe Hill, “Don’t waste any time in mourning. Organize.”

  • Harry Speakup

    The mandate is now a tax. It can be voted down with 51 Senate votes. Instead of being accused of judicial activism for all time, Roberts turned the mandate into a poison pill for Obama. Instead of whining all day, get out there and help to win this election. We still may be able to get out from under Obamacare…..

  • rb

    Did anyone ever stop to think that Romney was the guy who lost to McCain the last time around and McCain wasn’t even a real condender at the polls when the counting was done? McCain couldn’t manage a campaign against the Dems so they stick us with the guy who couldn’t even beat McCain for the nomination? Now that’s a plan isn’t it.

  • Richard

    Amen to Dr. G comments. Buy more ammunition, hold your nose and vote Republican, and start on the day after the election to find a real American to run against Hillary in 2016. Can’t you just smell her coming to take away one more of our right’s to bear arms.

    • Sanders

      Sure can, and if the GOP doesnt get a majority in the senate, she will cram through her UN Small Arms Treaty and then our 2nd amendment rights are gone forever. She is wet in the pants just thinking of it.

      • Alex

        And if Reich Wingers could liquify guns they would shoot them right up into their arms!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Alex, come and talk on this forum when you grow up.

      • Michael J.

        In the tradition of illustrating the absurd with absurdity, I would have to say that you are just one turd shy of an expletive heap.

  • Dr. M

    America, wake up! We must defeat Obama, change the court and repeal OBAMACARE!

    • GALT

      And STOP the number one death machine in the UNITED STATES with guaranteed death care for everyone from being available to ALL?

      Are you a fool………or just not getting paid enough……because you are really BAD at it?

      FIRST, DO NO HARM……….nah forget that…….

    • Michael J.

      I see nothing objectionable in your comment.

      Please disregalt the sniveling of texting fecalist.

  • Trenton Spears


    Thursday June 28th 2012 the Supreme Court made a decision to uphold Obamacare as
    Constitutional. Has this Court lost its mind have we lost the last stand against
    oppression and tyranny. My thoughts go back to the history of the founding
    of this new nation. My understanding was this nation was founded on the
    principles of the will of the people and the Constitution was founded to protect
    those rights. I can still see Patriots dumping tea in the Boston Harbor
    protesting the unfair unrepresented tax the British Government placed on the new
    citizens of America. I can still see a Revolutionary War Soldier barefooted and
    freezing and close to death at Valley Forge to win the freedom of this new
    nation. I can still see the 52 framers of the Constitution who promised their
    lives, fortunes and their sacred honor to place their signatures on this
    historic document created for we the people. The Supreme Court Justices today
    have changed their loyalty from we the people to you the politician who are
    small in number but huge in impact. Today we just as well have a King to lead
    this nation. When the Supreme Court sides with politicians over the will of the
    people the Supreme Court is saying to the American people don’t look to us to
    protect your will you should do it at the ballot box we have more important
    things to do like legislating from the bench. We don’t care if we are outside of
    our Judicial Branch mandate. We have the final decision. Sincerely, Trenton Spears

  • Dave Gunn

    Who says that the only choice is between liberal Democrats and half-liberal Republicans?
    How about voting for truly conservative Republicans in Congress and the Senate who will enact just laws, repeal bad laws, and keep President Mitt Romney’s feet to the fire?

    By the way, Romney began as a liberal and is now a moderate conservative. This is the same journey I was on a few decades ago. Perhaps, with some encouragement (like the kind I got) he will become a solid conservative who will stand for the Constitution on all issues. If we just write people off every time they do or say something we don’t like (Rand Paul), we’ll find ourselves talking only to ourselves.

    • Sanders

      I couldn’t agree more. I too was once a lost cause of the Demorat persuasion. After really paying attention to politics, I realized just how unDemorat I really was as my true beliefs no way jived with the Demorats. I was merely indoctrinated by my father and schrewl teachers. Nowadays I find myself on par with that of the Tea Party. We must vote out the repulsive liberals and rinos and get government out of the way of true capitalism. Only then will this once great nation begin to return to it’s once great self.

  • RichE

    How is Obamacare socialized medicine? The bill mandates that all get health care insurance. The government isn’t taking over hospitals.

    • Patriot1776

      It is government mandated insurance with government mandated coverages and government controlled medical facilities. There will be government panels to tell us what care we can have and when it all fails, the government will take over what is left.

      • Ted Crawford

        In just a few words you explained the intent of the Progressives, and it has been since the Clinton years!

      • Trenton Spears

        Patriot1776: I agree with your comments that we the people are the ones who need to reaccess our priorities and take our Nation back. The one problem for trying to take back our nation are the liberal voters that are always looking for a short term free handout. They don’t realize that nothing is free and someone else has to pay for it. These’s freebeis have been and always will be paid for by raising taxes and the National Debt. Cutting spending and so called entitlements is out of question for the liberal Democrats. It effects the freebies that voters receive and will keep them in office.The debt must be paid or the credit rating of our nation wll be forever tarnish and downgraded. The election of Mitt Romney will mosr certainly improve our chances to restore this Nation to the ideals of the Founding Fathers and the will of the people. The attack on Governor Romney’s signing of the Massachusetts Health Care was very political and the attackers need to realize that this Healthcare law was wanted by the will of the people of Massachusetts first and the Democratic party second. Would anyone think that a Repubican Governor would veto a law that was wanted by the huge majority of the voters and the elected ? There would be a recall of that Governor so fast that the ink would not have time to dry. Another argument is that there were no lawsuits sent to the State of Massachusetts Supreme Court by opposition to the new law.This is certain prove that Mitt Romney will govern by the will of the people. The argument that whether Obama’s Health Care is right of wrong should be left to the citizens of this Nation in the 2012 November elections. Our elected politicians and our courts have become to biased to the will of the people and now is the time to rise up and vote our Nation back. An informed and concerned voter will always get it right. Trenton Spears

        • Michael Alan McSpadden

          Nonsense. When are people going to learn just how little there sounding off and voting are actually worth. Fact. Evil has taken over our country and we have stood by and let them. Every election its the same useless rhetoric. We will vote things better. We will vote them out. I have only seen one real incontestable truth. Every election things get worse and we loose more freedom. No sane person can argue this. Talk has proved to be futile the same as votes because the people you are arguing with and voting against have you beat two ways. One. They do not care in any fashion what you “say”. Two. Dishonesty comes naturally to them. What ever lie or cheat they need to do they will as long as we the people let them get away with it. At some time you have to water the tree and the simple fact is the American people don’t have the belly for that so instead we talk a lot like a herd of bleating sheep.
          Joel 3:9-10
          9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:

          10 Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

          • gracie

            Michael, we have way too many illegals, who can vote against what the American people want for what they want. Americans just won’t stand up for our Country. (GOOD-BYE AMERICA—HELLO MEXICO)!!!!!!!

    • http://yahoo Larry

      wake up, this is just the 1st step. we would not knowingly vote for socialism, but if we cave a little at a time for such principles we wake up one day to find out we are now commarads.

      • Alex

        I would very gladly vote for Socialism, Larry.
        So would the people of Vermont who have strongly supported Socialist Senator Barry Sanders.
        Grow up and go to school…

      • Michael J.

        These types will only awaken from their ideological wet-dream when a jack-boot is placed squarely on their throat by the same utopians they worship and support.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The government is in control of hospitals. The entity that regulates is in control and owns.

  • Rasta

    Let’s try something different. God knows the health care system before Obama Care was broken! Quit crying over spilled milk. Come up with a better alternative. Oh I forgot you are the party of NO!

    • Sanders

      That is correct! We are the party of “NO MORE GARBAGE”!

    • Dave

      Please show me where, in any of the founding documents, access to healthcare is a basic right and an entitlement. Until you liberal whiner babies came along in the late 20th century, access to healthcare was, just like transportation, food, shelter, and clothing, a market commodity. Just as there is no basic right which entitles a non-productive class of what are basically economic parasites to transportation, food, shelter, or clothing at the expense of the productive, there is no basic right for health care.
      What is truly broken is this sense of entitlement people have that they are entitled to economic security without having to earn it from the cradle to the grave.

      • Alex

        Right, Dave—if it is not in the Constitution, it must be unconstitutional.
        Like television.
        And radio.
        And TV dinners.
        And hop-Scotch and Twinkies…….

      • Vigilant

        No Alex, you idiot. If it’s not among the enumerated powers afforded to the federal government by the Constitution, then the federal government HAS NO RIGHT to mess with it.

        Take a civics course, cretin.

    • http://yahoo Larry

      that line is getting a little old. lets see, how long has it been since the demorat controlled senate passed a budget and will not even hold a vote on a bill? who is the real party of no?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      NO is a very good answer to demanding and senseless adult brats.

  • Gracie

    I am a breast cancer survivor and the Supreme Court just signed my death certificate. I can’t stand to look at Obama. I voted for him in 2008 because I believed he was going to give the American people hope and change. I don’t think he spent enough time in this country when he was growing up. He is does not listen to the American people. He is running our Country by dictatorship. He is taking away our rights one by one. He has no morals or ethics. My vote is going to Romney, the one who will listen to the American people, has morals and ethics, and is a true American citizen. I will not vote for a dictator.
    Dictatorship is not freedom. Too many Men and Women lost their lives fighting for our freedom. American voters look at what once made America great!!!

    • Karolyn

      “I am a breast cancer survivor and the Supreme Court just signed my death certificate” What is that supposed to mean? Who are you parroting? Just last night I saw a woman interviewed who said that the decision was saving her child’s life because she cannot be denied insurance due to a pre-existing condition, and they cannot impose financial limits on her medication. The child had already used up her lifetime benefits, and now she can continue to be treated for her particular ailment and, thus, survive. The plan calls for more preventive measures for women, which is what we really need.

      • Sanders


        “she cannot be denied insurance due to a pre-existing condition, and they cannot impose financial limits on her medication.”

        This is one of very few portions of this law that are actually good. The rest of the junk is just that, junk and costly at that. Wait and see, those who cannot afford insurance still will not have insurance but will be forced to pay another tax(fine) because they cannot afford it.

      • Ted Crawford

        Perhaps, Karolyn, she would be far less encouraged were she to Google Ezekiel Emanuel, Obamas advisor on PPACA. In an article for Lancet in 2009 he explained his ideal healthcare system. It works on what he called ” A Priority curve ” that doles out health care in the following manner ” Individules aged roughly 15 to 40 get the most substantial chances, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated ” He also states his rational as followes ” The youngest have recieved little or no educational investments ” and ” The older have already had more life-years “

      • Karolyn

        I don’t buy it Ted.

      • Ted Crawford

        I’m not expecting anyone to buy anything. Look it up ! Those are his words not mine! While you are at it you might just want to see the Test Market for those ” Nonexistent ” end-of- life- councils, the Organ Death With Dignity Act of 1997 !

      • Sanders

        You better buy it Karolyn, because some day you might get old enough to be considered a senior citizen who has outlived their usefulness to society. Then you will wake up, won’t you?

      • Gracie

        Karolyn, first of all, I am not a CHILD with pre-existing condition. I am 65 years old. I am paying $500.00 a month for health care insurance. I have to do this because my pre-existing condition is not covered under ObamaCare. My insurance premiums go up yearly. Obummer doesn’t care want happens to Senior Citizens. Just remember, (SENIOR CITIZENS ARE THE PEOPLE WHO WORKED, PAID TAXES, PURCHASED HEALTH INSURANCE AT AN EARLY AGE, DIDN’T TAKE FREEBIES FROM OUR GOVERNMENT THAT IS PAID BY TAX PAYERS. HAVE VERY HIGH MORALS, BELIEVED IN GOD AND THE GOLDEN RULE. SENIOR CITIZENS ARE THE PEOPLE WHO MADE THIS COUNTRY GREAT. Therefore, the Supreme Court did sign my death certificate as well as many others. I hope Romney will do the right thing and make this Country great again. No one could be worse than Obama.

      • Karolyn

        Sanders – I do not want to live beyond my “usefulness.” Death is just another chapter.

      • Michael J.

        Karolyn said,

        “I do not want to live beyond my “usefulness.” Death is just another chapter.”

        You’ve made this decision of your own free will and I respect that, but Obamacare panelist will make these decisions for you in the future with disregard to your input, looking instead at budget restrains and the good of the collective, not individuals. Don’t you understand the difference?

      • http://none Claire

        Obamacare??? It isn’t even into process yet. It doesn’t start until 2014, does it???? There is a lot of crap going on right now concerning health care and the crummy insurance companies.

    • http://yahoo Larry

      shame on you for voting for Obummer in 08, but thank goodness youv’e come to your senses. together we can get him out and at least have a chance to save our country.

      • Deerinwater

        Like we need Palin in our national affairs for what purpose? Just how much cleaning out on the Hill do you think McCain would have done. The man dumped his 1st wife while she was bed ridden for hot chick with loot! He came close to being indited along with the Keating 5. MC Cain has always been for sale exactly like Palin, ~ It’s always been about the highest bidder with those two.

        And you think Obama won because of his color? ~ It was more, the lesser of two evils and in spite of his color. That is how bad the McCain/Palin ticket was.

      • Sanders


        You said, “It was more, the lesser of two evils and in spite of his color. That is how bad the McCain/Palin ticket was.”

        You are right but only with the McCain side of the ticket, he is such a RINO. Palin held her own quite well and had done really well in her home state of Alaska, that is until she resigned as Governor, which I think was political suicide.

    • Deerinwater

      Well Obama didn’t have anything to do with your breast cancer, ~ Sounds like your been over medicated and sit around watching too much TV ~ It happens.

      Good luck to you and vote “your” vote.

  • richard brooks

    interesting to watch most of you arguing over which bunch of crooks is the worst bunch of crooks. all we have changed at the voting booth is the name of the crooks who will now steal our money. it is not the system that is inherently flawed, it is the way we allow ourselves to be manipulated. the blame is ours.

  • Marlene Bell

    Dear Bob ~ At this point in our history how do you believe the American people should proceed? Ron Paul will not be our nominee, so we go in drips and drabs chosing anyone but Obama at this point. (Or not vote) But voting against someone is better than sitting idly by complaining which is what so many of my friends are doing. Tea Party has helped to open up eyes that would ordinarily not be paying attention. I say get behind patriots and fight to gradually move the Republic in the correct direction.

    • http://yahoo Larry

      exactly, not voting against a dictator is the equivical of voting for one.

    • Deerinwater

      or you could look at it realistically, 4 more for 44 or 8 for the rich guy. Right?

      • Vigilant

        Or you could realistically admit that Obama’s also one of the “1%.” And works for them too.

      • Deerinwater
      • Vigilant

        Well, Bobwire, you are finally outed!

        We know where your political sympathies lie when you link to “Daily Kos.” Are you a daily devotee to that execrable site?

      • Deerinwater

        I’m not a “daily” anything Vigilant, ~ I’m all over the place ~ I don’t live in a rut. It’s got some disadvantage to it perhaps, what I miss, I catch up on later. But I’m not a “programmed Tommyton” showing up everyday in order to know what to think and say.

        Unlike so many of you here, I don’t gorge and over feed myself on a single thing, I move about a very wide circle grazing on a host of thoughts and ideas.

        Obsessing behavior is habit forming and unless you are a machine with a single purpose, it’s not healthy Vigilant .

        OCD is the ” FORTH MOST COMMON” mental disorder, and is diagnosed nearly as often as asthma and diabetes mellitus.

        Obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD) is an anxiety disorder

        characterized by intrusive thoughts that produce uneasiness, apprehension, fear, or worry, by repetitive behaviors aimed at reducing the associated anxiety, or by a combination of such obsessions and compulsions.

        These symptoms can be alienating and time-consuming, and often cause severe emotional and financial distress. The acts of those who have OCD may appear paranoid and potentially psychotic. However, OCD sufferers generally recognize their obsessions and compulsions as irrational, and may become further distressed by this realization.

        In the United States, one in 50 adults suffers from OCD.[2] Obsessive–compulsive disorder affects children and adolescents as well as adults. Roughly one third to one half of adults with OCD report a childhood onset of the disorder, suggesting the continuum of anxiety disorders across the life span.[3] The phrase obsessive–compulsive has become part of the English lexicon, and is often used in an informal or caricatured manner to describe someone who is excessively meticulous, perfectionistic, absorbed, or otherwise fixated.[4] Although these signs are present in OCD, a person who exhibits them does not necessarily have OCD, and may instead have obsessive–compulsive personality disorder (OCPD), an autism spectrum disorder, or no clinical condition.

        Despite the irrational behaviour, OCD is sometimes associated with above-average intelligence.

        Its sufferers commonly share personality traits such as high attention to detail, “avoidance of risk”, careful planning, “exaggerated sense of responsibility” and a tendency to take time in making decisions. ( well you certainly do that)

        Sound like anyone you know? Someone with “anxiety”?

      • Jay

        Sure does, deer. Btw, how long have you bee struggling with the aforementioned condition, OCD?

      • Vigilant

        Well, well, BobWire/Deerinheadlights, you’ve exceeded your normal dishonesty this time. to wit:

        (1) It’s called “plagiarism” when you fail to credit quotations. If you’re going to use Wikipedia, credit it. Hint: if you want to appear smarter than you actually are, try deleting Wikipedia’s footnote numbers first.

        (2) How convenient of you to expunge part of the uncredited quotation that doesn’t support your “arm chair” psychoanalysis!. Here’s what you missed (from Wikipedia):

        “Symptoms of the disorder include excessive washing or cleaning; repeated checking; extreme hoarding; preoccupation with sexual, violent or religious thoughts; aversion to particular numbers; and nervous rituals, such as opening and closing a door a certain number of times before entering or leaving a room.”

        That was just before “These symptoms can be alienating and time-consuming…etc., etc.

        Now son, I don’t display any of those symptoms. Do you?

      • Vigilant

        …and to appropriately parody your comment, “Intellectual dishonesty is habit forming and unless you are a machine with a single purpose, it’s not healthy Deer” .

  • Charlie

    Just hold your horses, folks. If you just stop and re-read the constitution you will see that the SC does not LEGISLATE but judges the offering (law, etc.) by their learned and referenced, interpretation of the constitution. I too, was surprised and chagrined of Roberts vote but I read the opinion and can understand what he did. Remember that a.s kicking that BO (body Odor) gave the court in the state of the Union speech a while back? Well this is the “payback” in my estimation for that uncalled for slam. Paybacks are a “Betch”, huh? They then give their opinion of the mating of the offering to the INTENT as found in the contitution. If you find the anser to be in conflict with your ideas you are to tell your REPRESENTITIVE to change the law or whatever the item of conflict was. It is up to you to tell your rep and to make sure they answer your request and make the required changes. If that happens for you, good for you but, as any democracy, if the MAJORITY of “re-votes” comes back in opposition, you should just “man-up” and eat the worm. Roberts, by his vote, has challenged YOU to become an active American and tell your reps that they do not have the RIGHT to vote their conscience on matters when you and your fellow Americans have given the rep your (and the others responders) directions. Too often we elect a rep to find they have just decided to be a “Go along, to get along” so they can still stay at the public mammary and “enjoy” the “fruits” of YOUR labor. Quit bitchin and get to your reps and tell them WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO DO. If you have time to sit and spread your great knowledge on this page, get off your glutious maximas and burn up your reps email and phone lines and their free government mail. Boy, this sounds like a bunch of children that want to stop at the ice cream shop that is now fading in the mirror. The only thing you can do is figure out how to make a “Do-over” and get it corrected. This is a real exercise in “Identify, Adapt, and Overcome”. Grab your shovel and lets get to work. A happy soldier is always bitchin!

  • Stephen

    I don’t look at as a penalty for not having government healthcare insurance, to me it is a FINE. Just paying a traffic ticket. You don’t bow down and follow the party line then they fine you and use the IRS to collect their money. I feel sorry for the young people of this country, they don’t know what they are getting into. When I was in Germany, my landlord one time was talking about their medical care, etc. But when I asked him how much of his salary was going to the German government, it was around 50%. So let me see how this works out. If I make $40,000.00 before taxes, then that means I only have $20,000.00 take home pay. Whoa, but wait a minute. Then the state gets their cut. And in some places like NY you may have a county income and a city income tax. That $20,000.00 just told a big drop. And all those come out your pay check before your check gets to you. Doesn’t look very good to me.

    But who do we really have to vote for, it’s damn sure not the socialist democrats or the republicans. They have been in control of Washington, since the end of the War For Southern Independence, and look where we are. :< Yeah, I know some you are going scream at for the "War For Southern Independence", but so be it.

    • http://yahoo Larry

      the supreme court has ruled it IS in fact a tax. that is exactly how it was reasoned constitutional.

      • Vigilant

        And Obama doesn’t accept that it’s a tax. Instead, he hangs his hat on calling it a penalty or fine for failing to purchase a commercial product, which happens to be unconstitutional since it’s not covered by the Commerce Clause.

        Roberts, knowingly or unknowingly, painted Obama into a corner. If it’s a fine, it’s unconstitutional; if it’s a tax, he succeeded in levying the largest tax increase in history.

  • Dave

    Has anyone actually bothered to read the decision handed down by the SCOTUS? Roberts reasoning is actually very astute. If ObamaCare was a computer, the decision is actually a stuxnet virus. The SCOTUS did issue a decision which held that the individual mandate is not enforceable under the commerce clause of the Constitution–which reiterates the conservative position. However, the individual mandate is enforceable under the Constitutional authority invested in Congress to impose taxes. Therefore the SCOTUS has determined that, contrary to the claims of Obama, Reid, Pelosi, and the rest of their cabal, that ObamaCare does create new taxes–and since the decision also nullified the rebates, incentives and tax credits to fund the mandate since Congress cannot shift the liability for those taxes onto third parties–that means it will be a regressive tax against the lower and middle classes.
    Moreover, the SCOTUS also upheld the states who argued against the federally mandated but unfunded expansion of medicaid.
    So Roberts’ decision basically hangs albatrosses around Reid’s, Pelosi’s, Franken’s, and Obama’s necks for having imposed the largest tax increase in over 30 years on the electorate.
    Roberts is playing chess and has checkmated the President, while the President, the liberals, and all you Ron Paul conservatives are trying to figure out what a chessboard is.

    • Ted Crawford

      I see it very differently Dave ! i believe that Roberts just handed this election to Obama on an Ornate Silver Platter ! With Roberts giving Obama victories on two major points, SB-1070 and PPACA, the , here-to fore rather lackadaisical Progressives, believing as I think any rational person did that PPACA would be found un Constitutional, they didn’t show much vigor in the Primaries. Now with Obamas agenda appearently vindicated they will surly be reinvigorated !
      With the Conservatives being splintered in many directions, the Anarchists for Ron Paul and a very decent, I believe , Candidate, Gary Johnson running on the Libertarian ticket, and of course Romney on the Republican ticket, I believe that Obama’s a shoo-in !

      • Deerinwater

        Well Ted, clearly this ruling didn’t hurt him none while his stance on same sex marriage surly did, along with gays in the military.

        Obama doesn’t appear to be overly concerned with winning a popularity contest. If I’d been Obama , I would have waited until my second term to honor “these campaign promises”.

        So how do you see that? ~ That Obama is uncertain of a second term and fearing he might not get it done? Or ~ he honor his promises to 2 % or 4 % of Americans that such a ruling affects and expects they will support him for a second term?

        In a close election, 2 % can make a big difference in deciding any outcome. If you look at it from the popular vote angle, ~ the GOP is a shoe in for 27% of the vote if they ran Donald Duck while only 51 % will carry the day.

        Of course the electoral college, puts quit a spin on this kind of thinking, offering a complexity that only a season politician or true students of the election process might actually understand.

        It’s going to be a tight ran, ~ the GOP has been campaigning full bore since February 20th 1999. They have seen to it voting restriction have been put in place at the polls by closing some, limiting time for early voting, and implementing more voting requirements, the have attack where the DNC gets some of it’s funding.

        As much profits as Wall Street has enjoyed over the last four years while much of America has circled the drain, one would think he might get some support there. But we know, they would sell their mother and bite the hand that feeds so I would not count on it.

        If the GOP does not win the 2012 Election, ~ They might as well throw in the towel and accept the fact that most Americans just are not buying what they are trying to sell. They have disfranchised themselves from the general population with their pandering and should wipe that brown spot off their nose.

      • Jay

        I beg to differ, deer. This ruling has most certainly sealed his fate!

    • http://yahoo Larry

      I certainly hope you are right, e4

  • Sandy Sundby

    This is a sad day for America. The Supreme Court has once again disregarded the will of thr people and the constituition in favor of corrupt politicians. We are quickly but quietly becoming a counry that would be unrecognizable by our forefathers. We have sat back
    and let the corruption permeate through our entire political system. We may still have a
    chance to take it back and I believe this election will be our LAST CHANCE to do so. I am not pleased with Romney as the Republican candidate either but when I look at the alternative of another 4 years of Obama the choice is easy. The last four years have been a complete devastation of the middle class of this country. We have suffered loss of jobs,
    loss of security, loss of personal freedoms, loss of prestige around the world, to name only a few We must fight back despite the odds and the powerful and rich organization behind Obama and many of the Democrats running for re-election. We CAN do it with hard work and determination and most of all God’s help. We must take our country back from the hands of corruption and begin to slowly rebuild “One Nation Under God”
    P.S. I think we need to investigate Justice Roberts. I do not believe he was in favor of Obamacare. Was he threatened? Was his family in danger? I believe he acted out of fear, not his conscience. Has the corruption of this administration reached that level of power and intimidation?

  • Beno

    Death care is the right title, for the elderly who collect money for money paid in and not used as intented, it is death to save money that doesn’t belong to the government, they have been stealing our money for years, haven’t invested it to our gain but, like bank robbers and thieves they have stolen what is rightfully ours. That is the reason it is important to watch those who spend millions to be in office, has to be a reward for all their money and that is to steal others money. Get rid of all the thiefs on both sides as they are all crooks put in regular everyday people who know what work is and how to save and spend, the little man or women who have suffered under those who would be plantation owners.

    • Alex

      Sad to see so many Reich Wing ignoramii parrot the “death panel” or “death care” idiocy when the closest thing to a Death Panel was proposed by Teabag slut Jan Brewer.

      • Deerinwater

        We don’t use that term here Alex. It’s seen and accepted as degrading to half the world population and everyone’s mother and sister.

      • Sanders

        Alex has a lot of growing up to do, not to mention needs much more education.

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    The only bright side to this is that the SCOTUS did not say that the federal government MUST provide or force raw deals like Obamacare on us. It also suggests that it’s not up to the SCOTUS to correct errors by politicians who were elected because of voters’ ignorance. Thus the best we can do is look forward to November. We already got rid of some of the Democraps in 2010 who forced Obummercare on us. Now we need to get rid of more democraps, especially in the Senate. Likewise, DO NOT vote Democrap in the future. Of course we get frustrated with RINOs and compromising GOP wimps. But the problem is the large % among you who believe in the tooth fairy – that democraps will govern more conservatively. GET REAL!! Again I say that Obummercare was enacted without a single GOP vote. So if the GOP had controlled Congress in 2010, Obummercare never would’ve been enacted in the first place. And we must win back the White House. BHO has already appointed 2 leftwing radicals. If one of the conservatives on the SCOTUS resigns, that will mean one more radical, thus shifting the SCOTUS to the left. Of course we’re disillusioned with ‘RomneyCare’ Romney. But let’s give him a chance to repeal as he promises. Just remember – we’ll never get rid of Obummercare if you repeat the ‘One Big Awful Mistake America’ of 11/4/2008!!

  • fern rivers

    June 28 2012…A day that will live in infamy…It was a dark day that America officially became a Socialist Nation…It was a dark day that marked the end of Freedom as we know it…Obama will live in infamy….His name will remained as the “Great Pretender” who “Fundamentally Transformed” the Greatest Nation in the World to just another useless country…With the Elite Media’s assistance…we have lost our freedoms on June 28 2012….God have Mercy on the US…Millions of Abortions will continue to be paid by even
    those who object to the law…and…furthermore…Death Panels will take those who also have no voices…A very sad day for the United States of America indeed….

    • Ted Crawford

      There are other options here. The borders are still open, clearly in both directions for the time being. Given Obamas petulant action in Arizonia, it’s clear that the incoming border will allways be open! Before Schumer has a chance to alter his Leninisk Exit Tax I believe I’ll chose a different abode!

      • Deerinwater

        I lived in Mexico from 96 to 99, I enjoyed it at the time, but I left finding myself allergic to bullets , why do you think people go to some great efforts to leave the place ? and then too, a job making 20 dollars a day if you are one of the lucky ones is not all that rewarding either. Of coarse, I made more then that but 20 dollars a day is considered reasonable pay in Mexico for general labor, assembly line, store clerk, house keeping, etc.

        If you think America is all that bad, maybe Mexico would be a great place to go and receive a good education on many topics if you live through the experience. Most Mexicans like Americans while there are a few that would shot you for fun, just to watch you bleed out. I’ve met both kinds and exactly why I am here and not there.

      • Jay

        Deer, the issues plaguing Mexico is for the Mexican government to address and remedy.

    • Alex

      In a large society, fern rivers-on-fire, not everyone can be made happy.

      I hate the fact that my money was used by our baby-killing troops to rape and murder schoolchildren and incinerate grandmothers.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Feeling like being an Idiot today, Alex.

      • Alex

        Feel free, Nadijie, if that is how you feel…..

      • Sanders


        You said, “I hate the fact that my money was used by our baby-killing troops to rape and murder schoolchildren and incinerate grandmothers.”

        And those troops you despise so much fought and died so you could have the right to speak so freely and despicably. You are pathetic!

      • http://none Claire

        War is war, and atrocities happen whether we like it or not. Stop and think what the “the side” would do to us if they decided to attack America again. Do you think for one moment they would spare our women and children?? Would they have any compassion? No, they would not. And when a person is in a war situation, survival is the key and ugly things happen. Let me ask you this– if our government sends our troops to war, would you rather have them all desert? Would you rather have soldiers that would not protect America and fight for America? I despise war, but I will support our troops.

  • red

    Keep voting suckers!~

    The GOP is a progressive front to pull people away from real opposition to the god-state. Every time you vote for any of the establishment candidates you give your support to the god state. Stop voting and start fighting back. Nullify bad laws in jury trials, organize with other to ignore bad laws and stand together when they sick the dogs and thugs on you. Don’t hide in fear. If they come to arrest one of you form human chains around that person to make them arrest everyone. Fight back by forcing the god state to show it’s true colors.

    • http://yahoo Larry

      so are you actually declaring yourself to be against God? that is very dangerous, but I suppose you don’t believe God exists, to your own peril.

      • Deerinwater

        I really don’t believe that he declared anything ~ I question if he was trying too.

      • Charles Johnson

        Seems like he was actually saying the state acting as though it were god.

      • Jay

        The State/Establishment is, acting as if it were god!

  • Jeremy Leochner

    We need competent judges who base their decisions on analyzing the evidence brought before them in as non biased a way as possible. We do not need conservative judges, we need good judges regardless of their personal political leanings.

    • Michael J.

      Jeremy Leochner said,

      “We need competent judges who base their decisions on analyzing the evidence brought before them in as non biased a way as possible. We donot need conservative judges, we need good judges regardless of their personal political leanings.”

      First you advocate non biased judges, then you state that “We do not need conservative judges”. What about Liberal judges? Your statement is biased. Your ideology has blinded you.

      All political leanings should be checked at the door of the SCOTUS.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        My comment was in reference to the articles call for conservative judges. I do not care what a judges personal political leanings are. As long as they are good judges I say they can be on the bench. Whether they are conservative or liberal if they are good judges they should be with the court.

        • Trenton Spears

          Jeremy Leochner You are absolutly right we should have no Liberal or Conservative biased Judges anywhere in the US Judicial system while that is the way it is should be in the real world it doesn’t happen that way the politicians have taken over and the supply of Judges comes with a political bias and that is why they are chosen. Being elected is even worse most people don’t know the background of the elected judges and bad ones slip by. I believe it is to late to change this the Judicial System has become to corrupt like the politicians that put them there. This is why Justice Roberts Constitutional ruling was a mistake for this nation on the healthcare bill. Roberts knows that if you do not vote along party lines you will be sandbaged by the other side that certainly won’t vote on the merit of the case. I am against the lifetime appointments of the Supreme Court Justices they are know different than any other politician. They need to be reviewed and removed when they fail to uphold the Constitution and protect the will and rights of the people. They work for we the people and not the biased politicians that placed them there. Placing their hand on the Bible to swear to uphold the Constitution has become no less than blasphemy on their part and has a rocky support from their agenda. I wish it wasn’t so but I fear for this nation has lost it moral compass and Gods wrath is soon to come. God Bless America. Trenton Spears

  • Kyle Throop

    Roberts is a smoke screen. The real evil behind this decision is Keagan who took part in writing the law and then refused to recuse herself. A Supreme Court Justice who ignores conflict of interest Chicago thug style- that’s the real story. Forget this Roberts garbage, this Obamanation is all about Keagan.

    • Alex

      Clarence Thomas, anyone?

      • GALT

        For ??????? My dreams of Anita Hill who didn’t want to watch porno with me……
        so I went for the big one…….

        “We is gwine dig ditches fo the south Miss Scarlet.”

        Now if only the confederacy had actually accepted the offer of the “black slaveholders”
        in LA, which was the olde Louis….anyone know what the legal abbr is for Louisianna?

        They DIDN’T adopt the UCC in it’s entirety…….just the IMPORTANT parts…..

      • Deerinwater

        Right! Like Clarence Thomas, doesn’t have a conflict of interest sleeping in his bed?

  • Alex

    The ridiculous photograph of the Halloween Teabagger used to illustrate this column would be much more accurate and meaningful if he held the shackles of a Black family while pressing his foot into the back of a murdered Indian woman holding dearly to an equally-murdered Indian baby—-now THAT is Amerikkka!

    • Michael J.

      Go easy on the Bath Salts, else you’ll find your friendz pool shrinking for fear of appearing on CNN in association with a face eating zombie drone.

  • john doogh

    We already have liberty candidates unseating incumbents. This is the only way we fight and win our country back. By overhauling the government and purging the corruption out!! We can have a majority in congress, thereby repealing Obama- care and even impeach him if necessary. Stop giving up hope !! And continue to fight for our country! Get involved support all the liberty candidates you can !!

  • Lawrence

    Even if the republicans take control of the congress, th senate and the presidency, I doubt if anything will change A wolf in sheeps clothing is still a wolf.

  • Kay

    Interesting how much time these liberals spend trolling a conservative libertarian website. If they are right, why do they bother?

    It has never even occurred to me to hang out on a liberal website. I have neither the time nor the patience for lies.

    • Karolyn

      Kay – It’s good to hear what the other side has to say, as well as getting a good laugh here and there.

    • GALT

      Clearly…… only have time to waste confirming what you already KNOW…..
      Hearing what you want to hear……
      Hearing what you NEED to hear……..

      Now where are those common law and equity courts?

      First time you heard that?

      Judge Napolitano not mention it? Ron Paul? Bob Livingston? Chip Wood? Bryan Nash?
      Sam Rolley?

    • Deerinwater

      Kay, preaching to the choir is so boring, it does not challenge the mind or sharpen the wit , honing good debating skills.

      Without opposition both your and my argument would wane and collapse, void a strong underpinning. Your position such be constructed and anchored on a solid rational thought foundation.

      This is not the Love Boat you know? I’m not hear to make friends at the cost of mutual agreement in some self validating admiration for the “TEAM”

      Huff Post has very little to offer me. Maybe you should go there and mix it up?

      Here we are today, people say they are mad because they are being mandated to invest in health care for themselves to avoid penalty. While they are mad they must pay higher taxes for those that have not invested in health care for themselves. Now what is it about being “MAD” there that really makes any sense?

      Let’s face the truth here, ~ some people are just mad for being born and having to share a world with others.

      The truth is , we all seem to be getting screwed one way or another in anything we attempt to do. ~ But for anyone to think for a single minute they are the only ones being subjected to the disparity of life, the only ones that deserves special consideration or immunity to life are being most childish.

  • Deerinwater

    It pleases me so much to see so many of you unhappy today.

    I know, ~ you thought you had this one in the bag and the DNC had a stake driven through it’s heart.

    You know? ~ Judges and courts are not suppose to rule on emotions but on the merits of the issues before them. Maybe be you can circumvent this ruling like you have Roe verses Wade on the state level with your hillbilly bible thumping politicians that take a literal interpretation of Genesis, willing to believe just one man and one woman managed to populated the entire earth without any hanky panky.

    Maybe you can ignore this law like illegal aliens do? But did you not want them to obey the law? I’ve been under the understanding that you did.

    Once again, you have assume too much. You really need to quit that, ~ you can start by realizing that you are in a majority unless crass arrogant counts.

    I have not had the TV on in months ~ but today it’s been a treat to watch the GOP flop about.

    Even the tiny mouse from Louisiana is squeaking and threaten, Jingle’s is on a tear!

    Watch out! ~ he might try to pee on us,

    You need to send MiTT as much of your money as you can, ~ don’t be too conservative with your loot at this critical time ~ Poor old Mitt Romney needs your money ~ bad!

    He is claiming a repeal will be his first order of business.

    • Jay

      The Supreme Court decision on Obamacare confirmed that lies have triumphed over the Constitution.

      It also is a reminder that the Supreme Court is a political entity and a human one. Only the Justices who dissented from the majority decision on Obamacare were willing to take the heat. The majority ruled that the individual mandate under the commerce clause was unconstitutional, but gave Obamacare life as a tax.

      It was always a tax, but President Obama repeatedly told Americans that it was not until his administration’s lawyers went before the Supreme Court and admitted and argued that it was a tax. The lawyers on the Court agreed, the majority in effect saying that there is no limit to the ability of Congress to tax Americans.

      As reported: On the losing end of a 5-4 decision, Justices Anthony Kennedy, Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito said that the entire health care reform law should have been struck down.

      They wrote: “The Act before us here exceeds federal power both in mandating the purchase of health insurance and in denying non-consenting states all Medicaid funding. These parts of the Act are central to its design and operation, and all the Act’s other provisions would not have been enacted without them. In our view it must follow that the entire statute is inoperative.”

      Not since the Civil War and the more recent 9/11 has America faced a darker day. That day killed nearly three thousand Americans. Today, the fate of more than three hundred million Americans has been sealed. This is particular true of older Americans who, if the law is not repealed, will learn to their dismay that they cannot have essential medical care if bureaucrats conclude it is too costly. Others will die waiting to be admitted to hospitals to mitigate cancers and other life threatening diseases.

      There is the prospect that Mitt Romney may secure election to office and that the Republican Party may secure control of the Senate as well as the House. Without question Obamacare along with the economy becomes the central issue of the months leading up to Election Day.

      The House will vote on a full repeal of Barack Obama’s health care law during the week of July 9, Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) said Thursday morning. The scheduling of another repeal vote came less than an hour after the Supreme Court upheld the health care mandate.

      This is, however, purely symbolic. The bill will not be taken up in the Democrat-controlled Senate. It would be vetoed if sent to Obama.

      Too many believe that the same Americans who elected Obama in 2008 will reelect him in 2012. He lied his way into office then and it is entirely plausible he will do so again.

      America will not survive him if he is reelected. He is truly the Manchurian candidate sent to destroy America.

      • Vigilant

        Excellent words, Jay!

  • Trenton Spears

    Declaring the Healthcare Constitutional was not necessary and will result in more court cases in the future. The entire case should have been declared unconstitutional because of the conflict over rather it was a penalty or a tax. The Obama Administration main selling point was that it was not a tax and the bill was passed based on that argument. Chief Justice John Roberts knew that the Healthcare bill was created as a penalty when the bill was presented to the Court. Roberts changed the argument and continued to allowed the bill to be argued as a penalty. With this much confusion the Court should have sent the case back to the lower Courts to be resubmitted back to the Supreme Court for a fair ruling. Justice Roberts siding with Bryer,Ginsburg,Kagen, Sotomayor was most puzzling. The dessenting Justices Alito,Kennedy,Scalia,Thomas all wanted the healthcare bill declared unconstitutional and I believe that they knew that the bill was poorly written and sure to be confusing and hard to mandate. They are the wiser of all the Justices. If we had a Conservative Justice rule the bill constitutional why didn’t we have one of the Liberal Justices vote the bill unconstitutional. We all know why, the makeup of the Supreme Court Justices are selected to be a representative of either the left or right according to the President in office and who controls the Senate. Justice Roberts knows this and knows that left leaning Justices will never vote if the ruling goes against any Liberal President that appointed them. Justice Roberts knows that he is the one who would be the deciding vote and based on the makeup of the Court he should have sided with the other conservative Justices. I believe we will never know the real reason Justice Roberts changed his vote. This is a done deal and it is left to the voters to change the bad decision of the Supreme Court. Sincerely, Trenton Spears

    • Deerinwater

      a Debit is a Debit , you can call it a pickle if you want too, if it got one of these (-) or one of these (> <) it's a debit.

  • http://N/A Aime Watts

    I am thinking and hoping that Roberts is a lot smarter than we’re crediting him with being after this debacle. He may well have ensured Romney’s victory in November.
    Only time will tell; but if that happens, and I think it is assured now, he should be praised as high as he is being dragged down now.
    Only time will tell…

    • Trenton Spears

      Amie Watts Concerning Chief Justice Roberts I believe that he had no thought of the November elections his decision to uphold the Healthcare bill as Constitutional is a mystery some say it was because of the recent attacks by Liberals and Obama that the Supreme Court was seen as biased against liberals and needed to have a more positive image. Creating a better image is not the job of the Supreme Court. What kind of image did Justice Roberts create when he went against 62% of the will of the people and all Conservatives who by 99% do not want ObamaCare. What does Justice Roberts represent the Courts image before the will of the people. Sorry this is a weak argument I believe that Justice Roberts saw a opportunity to become more famous in the history books and took a personal reason to uphold a unpopular bill. It simply makes no since. Sincerely, Trenton Spears

      • http://N/A Aime Watts

        You may well be right; I am hoping not; but as I said, only time will tell.
        For me, I think Roberts, whether intensional or not, handed the election to Romney (if Romney can capitalize on it). Again, time will tell…

      • Deerinwater

        Judges are suppose to be above all of that kind of thinking, far above it. Their motive such be interpreting of the Constitution to render judgement.

        I believe he has do that, while the ruling might go against even his own wishes.

        The Government does not have the right to forces you to buy anything while it can offer incentives by way of taxes.

        The levying of taxes has always been used as a nose ring to guide the governed ~ and nothing new. I find it surprising anyone would think differently.

        Why this comes as some big surprise to grown men and women that talk as if they understand government and how it is suppose to work, tells me that they really don’t.

      • Jay

        I am disappointed in the court’s ultimate decision. Virginia’s legal argument has always been that there was no constitutional basis for the federal health insurance mandate, and that the health care law should be struck down in its entirety. The court’s decision has saddled us with a budget-busting health care law that will most assuredly increase health care costs and thrust a new tax on the American people.

        The federal health care law was upheld by the court because, contrary to the language used by Congress and contrary to the repeated statements of the president, the court decided that the money one must pay for failing to comply with the insurance mandate should be considered a tax, and a tax is within Congress’s authority.

        Thus, those who support this law and who voted for it are now and forever on record for supporting this tax increase – a position they refused to admit when passing the bill.

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  • Paul Smith

    “So now, thanks to a “conservative” Supreme Court appointee, more bureaucrats get to decide what is and what isn’t acceptable medicine. Yeah, let’s count on Republicans to preserve our rights.”
    I think you’re wrong. I think Roberts did a remarkable job. He’s fired up the Republican base. He avoided the charge of political bias against the SCOTUS. And he set Obamacare up for defeat. How? By declaring the mandate a tax

    Article I, Section 7, Paragraph 1 says, “All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.” The bill passed into law by the Senate ORIGINATED IN THE SENATE! Watch for a lawsuit shortly!

    • Sanders

      A bill can originate in either house of congress so long as both houses have a chance to vote on it and in the end the Senate casts the final vote prior to the President.

  • Jimbo

    When Obama nominated Kagen, and Sotameyor to the court, nary a wimper from Republicans. When Bork was nominated, Democrats viciously attacked him, and killed the nomination. Republicans are mute or weak kneed on defending traditional marriage, the unborn, and our constitutional rights. I want to vote for someone who has principles and the guts to speak out about them. I stay registered as a Republican so I can vote in the primaries. But when it comes to elections, I will always vote for Conservatives who are not afraid to defend their beliefs.

    • Sanders

      I agree, our GOP has become nothing short of a bunch of weak kneed wussies, afraid to rock the boat for fear they may get a little wet. I remember listening to Conservative Talk Radio host Mark Levin talking about Obummers nominations and what the GOP will do. He said they may whimper a little but in the end they most always will confirm because they don’t want to embare-ass the president. Limp wristed whimps is what I call most of them. Now Allen West on the other hand, there’s a man with principles. Watch for the true Conservatives to line up behind him eventually.

  • http://N/A Aime Watts

    I am not happy in the least about this; but I hope that what I said comes true.
    If we can win all three – Senate, House, and President, well, that is the only way Obama-Care can get overturned now.
    Otherwise vote in the demo-rats, get it over with and start fresh!
    BTW, I mostly agree with Jimbo; but here in NH if we stay Independent, we can play spoiler with the demo-rats primaries if need be. At 63 year old, I have tried many strategies, some of which seemed to help.
    We should all be writing and/or calling our stat Attorneys General to void Obama’s name from our ballots unless he can show conclusive proof of Hawaiian birth!

    • Trenton Spears

      Aime Watts your comments are refreshing and I share your positive outlet for our Nation. A Romney win and a Senate majority will save this nation from the Dictatorship and Socialisim of the Obama Administration. I still believe that the Healthbill is unconstitutional and Obama was given a gift by Justice Roberts for the election. If the bill was declared unconstitutional it would still be a issue that Romney could use because of the unpopular healthcare bill. I still believe in the will of the American people to restore this nation to its rightful place as home of the brave and free. Sincerely, Trenton Spears

      • Deerinwater

        A socialist dictator, hmm? kinda catchy, ~ That is just one of the reasons I continue to return to Mr. Livingston’s forums, it so ~so ~ so enlighten.

        I was not aware that such things even existed.

      • Deerinwater

        So, ~ would a socialist dictator rule with a velvet hammer?

      • Jay

        You’re not very aware deer; this we know about you. Stick around, as you’ve been doing, and Much will be revealed to you.

        • Trenton Spears

          Jay your recommendation on my knowledge of the current things going on under the Obama administration comes to late I will never know more in the future than I know now that Obama is a socialist hell bent on distroying the ideals of private enterprise and our way of life. There are no good things that will come from four more years of this socialist monster Obama. Fortunately I listen to other news sources so I do have broad respective of the current newsworthy articles. Trenton Spears

      • http://N/A Aime Watts

        We will see in November which candidate got a gift with this SCOTUS ruling vis-a-vis Obama-Care, depending on where the ‘will of the people’ is. If the majority of voting people want it overturned, Obama will lose, and vice-versa.

        If memory serves, that final nail in the coffin of American Freedom was forced on the people against their will; but that may just have been the noisiest groups at the time.
        Once the Orwellian named Affordable Healthcare Bill goes into full effect, the government will have complete and total dictatorial power over the people from cradle to grave. Freedom of choice will be gone; and where is freedom after that?

        To those who think that is a better healthcare system than what we had, let me ask a question: Why do so many Canadians come here for basic tests and, in some cases, treatments?

        There may have been problems with our system but the government caused most of those in the first place. The strategy has always been to break it than force this “fix” on us. Making what we had a lot better may have been as simple as changing two things: First, allow insurance competition across state lines to allow the free market to work on the price; and second, tort reform has been long overdue. People who are injured due to medical incompetence should be compensated, sure, but why do their lawyers get a lion share of that compensation? Class action suits are even worse. In them, only the lawyers are enriched and the injured parties split whatever is left and are supposed to feel better because the miscreant was punished by having their malpractice premiums go up.
        The Demo-Rats, instead, came up with a way to throw the baby out with the bath water and completely enslaved the population at the same time.

        If enough people see the light, perhaps there will be some hope for a while longer. After repealing Obama Care, the people need more real conservatives in Congress to reverse the inexorable trend of the left for incrementally imposing their Socialism down our throats. That is, if the impending worldwide economic meltdown does not make it all mute. Then only armed insurrection, not only here but also all over the globe, may be the only way out. That or by losing, the UN will finally get their dream of one-world government/enslavement. No amount of rebellion will break those chains. People should be more careful what they wish for.

        Sorry about being long-winded. I will stop getting notifications after this. Really, I am either preaching to the choir or targeting myself for the butt of a flame-war. What is the point of doing either?

      • Jay

        Trenton, my post was for deerinwater.

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  • jopa

    What I find most amazing about the recent SCOTUS decision is that Fox news tried one of it’s biggest lies yet and said the ACA was struck down.Realizing that wouldn’t fly they did a first for themselves and retracted their earlier lie and said it passed.No retractions on the rest of their lies from over the years though.

  • Trenton Spears

    Deerinwater , We have experienced the hammer of Barrack Obama the last three years and there is nothing velvet about it. He is as close to a dictator as the democractic party will allow him to be. Another four years of Obama will certainly bring about many more executive orders to legislate against the will of the people. I am pleased that you are well informed on the Bob Livingston network a well informed citizen is a patriotic citizen. Best to you. Sincerely Trenton Spears

    • Deerinwater

      Hmm? are you suggesting Obama has taken liberality a President does not have at his disposal or has done something no other president has done before? ~ If it this be so, please expand. No need for lengthy detail, ~ I can do the research on my dime.

      A shorty laundry list will do nicely.

      • Jay

        Yes deer, i think that is exactly what Trenton is saying, obamacare being just the recent example of a President, in this case an illegitimate president, taking liberality with the office of a President. Pay attention!

      • Deerinwater

        Jay, ~ you are going to have to do better then that.

        If that is all you are holding against the current president, you don’t have an argument Jay, you are simply whining about losing an election. And there is no such thing as Obama Care, ~ it’s the Affordable Health Care act and deemed constitutional by the highest court in the land Jay.

        Maybe someone else can bring forward a valid argument, but clearly you have failed if that all you have got.

      • Jay

        deer, i cited one, example; obamacare, pay attention. You want more? How about the 15 recess appointees? Scratch your head on that one for a while, duh…!

        What are u babbling about, losing what, election? You have got to be the dumbest organism on the planet. Can’t you see that the ramming through of obamacare was staged? This was designed for the ousting of the “kenyan”, and the ramming down our throats of Romney. Obama’s out, and Romney is in, and the nightmare will continue. So go ahead and do your silly little happy-dunce-dance. The “establishment is kept propted-up by half-wits such as you, who remain entranced by the left/right paradigm.

      • Wildey

        How could he? Suprme courts judges are nothing but scuzzy politicians going to work with black robes on. Our supreme court is a perfect model of a Democracy. It’s devoid of any recognition of transcendental law, higher law and simply determines what’s right, wrong, moral and amoral with a majority vote. Could they vote in a holcaust? Absolutely. Would the people fall lock step into such a thing? Absolutely the way thing are going.

  • Jay

    Much was made of Governor Sarah Palin’s use of the term “government death panels” to lambaste Obamacare. Left-wingers and Democrats everywhere scoffed at the term and accused Palin of demagogy and even lying. But the fact is, government death panels of all sorts are inevitable once government takes over healthcare. In fact, once government takes over healthcare, all sorts of unscientific, non-health related nonsense creeps into your healthcare whether you like it or not and none of these decisions are made with your doctor’s advice or consent.

    To understand this we have but to look to countries that already have government provided healthcare to see many incidents of the foolishness that is government control of medicine. Arbitrary decisions are made, people are told they are too old to bother with and treatments are too late to save the patient because of long wait times.

    Worse, are the cases where government lackeys use non-medical criteria to replace medical considerations such as a recent case in Britain where a woman was told she can no longer get her healthcare because her travel distance makes her “carbon footprint” too big.

    That’s right, in Westcliff-on-Sea, an elderly British woman was told she is not allowed to have her surgery because the travel distance from her home is not “green” enough.

    Here we have a case of environmentalist extremists putting their so-called “green” agenda above the health of a person!

    The British woman was told via letter that she was no longer wanted at the surgery center she was registered with.

    The letter said: “Our greatest concern is for your health and convenience but also taking into consideration green travelling issues. Re: Carbon footprints and winter weather conditions, we feel it would be advisable for patients to register at surgeries nearer to where they live.

    Obviously the government doctors did not feel their “greatest concern” was for the woman’s health. No, the government doctors actual concern was for enviro-wacko issues first and foremost.

    Remember, America, when President Barack Obama lied and said “you can keep your doctor if you like your doctor”? This case in England is exhibit number one to make the lie to his statement.

    You see, when government controls healthcare, government tells you what you will get, how you will get it, when you will get it… not to mention if you will get it. It is guaranteed that situations just like this British case will occur in the U.S. once Obamacare takes away all your options and rights in healthcare.

    Your doctor will not be working for you. Your doctor will be working for the government and if the government says “green” issues are more important than your health, then green issues will take precedence over your health quite despite what you or any caring doctor want.

    Obamacare, your healthcare, will become just another avenue for meddling government perfunctories to lord over people and institute their idiotic little ideas and medicine will be
    the last thing they care about. Ergo, your health will be a lower priority and that, folks, means defacto “death panels” are a reality.

  • http://none Claire

    The so-called “death panels” have been here for quite awhile.

  • MAP

    I have just discovered what comes as no surprise to me, or should not to anyother but the dreaming, fanatic liberal. It was GOVERNMENT that created the healthcare problems! Government created the problem and we are now to believe the source of the problem is the solution!

    • rodney burke

      Yeah, what did Ronald Reagan say about government? It IS the problem, not the solution. thomas Jefferson and others said likewise. Our “government” is no longer responsive to the governed. It is time to change that government for one that IS responsive to the governed, as Thomas jefferson said. I have lib friends who think Jefferson should be ignored. But then what does a brain dead democrap know? All we have to do is look around at Harry, Nancy, Chuck, Rangel, Sharpton, and Boxer to figure that out!

      • Wildey

        John Adams had this to say…”This Constitution is for the governance of a religious and moral people. It is unfit for the governance of anyother” We’re proving John Adam’s was right.
        Ben Franklin had this to say about our Constitution when a lady asked him…”Madam: We’ve given you a Constitutional Republic, IF YOU CAN KEEP IT”

        • Trenton Spears

          Wildey right on the money Reagan, Jefferson and Franklin all had it right. We are going to keep this Republic and it will start with the November elections. Trenton Spears

    • Wildey

      When doctors and patients worked one on one, patients were an asset to doctors. To stay in business doctors had to give the best service for the best price. Enter insurance companies. People became assets, bill payers, and liablities, money collectors, to the insurance companies. Doctors didn’t have to pay quite as much attention patients. After all, insurance companies paid them. Enter the government. Now sick people became NOTHING but liabilities. Healthy tax payers are the assets, there’s euthanasia for the rest.

  • Wildey

    Back in the early 70′s, I worked for a company named Forenade Fabriksverken (FFV). It’s the Swedish national defense werks. While in Sweden I got into conversations about the Swedish political system. Sweden is known to be a socialist country. A colonel explained to me Sweden is really very conservative. The problem is there is one socialist party taking in about 1/3 of the population while there is eleven conservative parties. he explained, rather than getting together they fight with each other over which one’s the most conservative, or something like that.

    In America we have the Democratic party on one side and the republican party, Libertarian party, the Consitution party, the Tea party and so on, on the otherside. In CT we have the Concerned Citizens party which is another conservative party. If they don’t get together with a Statement of Principles and dissolve all but one, America will be like the Swedes, if it isn’t all ready. We don’t need another horse coming to the gate. We need them all getting together and stampeding over the godless socialist Democratic party. What do they call it? Divide and conquer.

  • Trenton Spears

    Speaktruth you need to change your name to speaklies. There is nothing true about the lies you say about the right wing of this nation. Liberal lies will never silence the voice of the well informed and real Americans. You need to tone down your retoric and be more informed. Trenton Spears

  • Oldbutnotadumbbutt2012

    I’LL agree Wildley. As long as THEIR ARE Brave Americans who are not afraid to stand up for what is true,and right ,there will always be an American Nation!!!!

  • Liberterian

    I guess there are no magic placebos so the other alternative is live life to its fullest and go down a free soverign citizen of your own will. Let no one tell you what to do, stand for yourself and accept the consequences, after all there is a risk to all we love, admire and do.

  • http://N/A John W Gerhardt

    Trying to choose between Romney & Obama is not “choosing the lesser of two evils,” its more like being compelled to choose between two forms of terminal cancer. Solution? there are third party options in every state. Choose one. Don’t waste your vote anymore on two non choices, and get out from under the perpetual scam of a vote for other than wall street candidate A or wall street candidate B is a “wasted vote.” Total idiots who voted for Romney rather than Paul because they “thought” he would be more electable helped kill this election. This year I will vote Libertarian. I’ve managed to even convince leftist friends to choose one of the four parties now legally permanently on the ballot in Ohio because of court actionl to choose one of the alternatives, and let the vote totals go up to send a message. Incidentally, just a few weeks ago when the Supreme Court made rulings the left didn’t like, they began to sound like rightists in their criticism of the court, I thought to be a bit ironic.

    • David Houston

      I am personally going to vote for Ron Paul and I don’t care what the rest of the ignorant majority do!!

  • Theodore

    If the Republican Party in congress would stop voting on proposals which have no chance of passing they might be forced into actually coming up with new and inovative legislation. The current Republican reactive voting proposals against ObamaCare are just a waste of time. As an independent voter, I can see that the GOP is acting like a spoiled brat instead of recovering and getting on with its stated job of enacting new legislation.

    • TJ Goforth

      The Republicans are unable to get legislation through the Senate because it is controlled by Demoncrat obstructionist Harry Reid. It does not matter how worthy said legislation may be, he will make sure it never sees the light of day.

  • Leif Freeland

    well if it is a dictator you want keep staying on “KING” Obama side!! He should be impeached! I for one am tired of the dem. forcing their will on the “freedom of choice ” that we as Americans are suppose to have!!! And for another thing I DO believe that he lied about his birth and is unlawfully taken the oval office! The vice president of Kenya was on CNN about a year ago and said Obama was born in Kenya! I believe Obama, his wife, the vice president and the democrate party should be brought up on treason charges and all deport from this country. They lied and still are lying and trying to shove their socialist idea down the throat of the people of The United States.

    • TJ Goforth

      I’m soooo glad that someone else is as passionate and concerned as I am. I joined the Tea Party 2 years ago and we are trying to get the word out, trying to shake our fellow Americans out of their apathy. This fall, I will be walking precincts and talking to anyone who will listen. The current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. cannot have another 4 years – he will completely destroy our nation!

  • Dan Hobaugh

    My mom and dad said always vote for Democrat.They are for the middle class working people and if you dont already know that you are not very smart.

    • Honest Al

      My parents felt the way you did but that is before they lost their way and became corrupted by labor unions and were subdued by progressive thinking. The NEOCONS are no better so I just don’t give a good FECES!

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