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Virginia Tech, Columbine Families Vow Action On Gun Show Loophole

April 22, 2010 by  

Virginia Tech, Columbine families vow action on gun show loopholeTaking advantage of the recent anniversaries of some of the deadliest shootings on United States school campuses, gun rights opponents have praised lawmakers who are working to close the gun show loophole, and have appealed to others to take up the cause.

In Virginia, the families of those killed or wounded and the survivors of the shooting have expressed their gratitude to U.S. Representatives Gerald Connolly (D-Va.), Jim Moran (D-Va.) and Bobby Scott (D-Va.) for co-sponsoring H.R. 2324. The bill was introduced by Representative Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) and Representative Mike Castle (R-Del.) and would require background checks on all firearm purchasers at gun shows.

"Even though [the previous lack of background check requirement] has been fixed at the state level in Virginia, a future shooter would still be able to walk into a gun show in more than 30 states and purchase a firearm(s) from an unlicensed seller without undergoing any background check whatsoever," the group complained in a statement issued by the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence.

Meanwhile, on the eve of the 11th anniversary of the Columbine High School massacre, the father of one of the victims has asked why it has taken federal lawmakers more than a decade to require background checks at gun shows. Colorado voted overwhelmingly to close this loophole in 2000.

"This loophole in federal law needs to be closed by Congress, so that Colorado’s background check law becomes the law of the land," Tom Mauser said.

Mauser is launching a statewide radio advertising campaign this week, which asks voters to contact Senator Mark Udall (D-Colo.) to urge him to vote to eliminate the provision.ADNFCR-1961-ID-19731749-ADNFCR

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  • s c

    I was informed many years ago that there are so many weapons in the US that no invading army or domestic army could ever have enough time or manpower to find and confiscate them.
    While this may sound impossible, it is a blessing in disguise. If Americans lose the right to bear arms, this will be much more than a thorn in the
    side of a dictatorial government.
    How a government wants to be seen by its people is a decision that must be made by that government. No individual or group can be trusted if it looks for reasons to try to deny Americans the right to bear arms. Ergo, the rights of the people and the will of the people to be free trump the whims of any government, especially if that government adopts a very old form of insanity known as ‘the ends justify the means.’

    • ron

      just out of curiosity, why is it so important to own a weapon? What compells someone to own one? Protection? maybe if you live in an extremely bad area…but come on? The government wants to take your guns? Seems like people are way too sensitive about the gun thing…must dig deeper to figure out what the psych profile is and what these guns represent. Certainly isn’t freedom because if you live in the u.s. you can pretty much do whatever you want.

      • Al Sieber

        It’s to protect the people from Govt. tyranny. just read what happened in Nazi Germany, communist China, Cambodia, Turkey etc. when the people were disarmed. so you think you’re free Ron? what is freedom to you?

        • ron

          Freedom is being able to do what I want. When I want. ANd i can. Interesting nod to the Nazi party. They used fear and propaganda to control people and overthrow any form of collective good going on. Sounds familiar, no? Keeping people in a state of fear and paranoia is the best way to control them. Thats what i see taking place. The most extreme neocons are taking a page straight out of the nazi playbook. But the brilliance of it? They’re calling the current admin Nazis and socialists (even thought they can’t define it)when that is the very thing they are after. Got to admire their manipulation skills.

          • s c

            Whoa, ron. When you’re talking to a conservative,
            NEVER say conservative and RINO or neocon or Republican in the same breath. A conservative is a conservative. The others tend to be two-legged trash.
            In your world, it would be like saying Democrat and Bluedog Democrat in the same breath. Get it?
            Keep it simple. That way, everybody knows what you mean, and politicans assorted types of subhumans don’t get a chance to screw up things – again.

          • http://www.personalliberty.com Jerry H

            Oh Ron.. we have been playing the fear game since the Clintonistas in 1992. Somehow the “manipulation” game is only working through the youngsters like you. It was like the world was going to end when Al Gore and Slick Willie stumbled onto Y2K and all our computers were going to crash and the world was going to end. And now the Bamster, his economic counsel, and the rest of his Czars are predicting the end of the world in each of their respective areas… please I’ll just wait out the Mayan Calendar… it at least doesn’t smell or taste like a Nazi.

          • Al Sieber

            You are correct Ron. whats that have to do with gun control? govts. always control the people through fear, from the beginning of time.

          • Al Sieber

            You say you’re free Ron, and you can do what you want, but you don’t want the rest of us to enjoy our freedoms. please explain yourself Ron.

          • George d.o.b. 1926

            Maybe you should watch Glenn Beck on Fox at 5pm and get a little history lesson. Through out history those with the power, meaning (police, military, etc) can and have ruled societies. Example, Hugo Chavez. If I am wrong please set me straight.

          • denniso

            The extremist gun lovers,as opposed to normal people who want to own a gun for practical reasons,are so intent in their desire to keep little restriction on gun purchases like the gun show loophole are willing to allow mentally ill and certified nuts the ‘right’ to own guns…what happens then? Innocents are gunned down every few days in our country,the most violent in the 1st world…sometimes a few people slaughtered,sometimes a dozen or more slaughtered.
            It’s truly insane that we allow unlimited gun purchases to absolutely anyone at a freaking gun ‘show’.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            dumnisso,
            Here in Ohio, we can go into a gunshop and buy a pistol and after about 30 minutes, we can walk out with a new gun. If you think a hand gun can do a lot of damage, you should see thr destruction of a 16 guage pump sawed off at the end of the slide can do. It can be carried under an overcoat on a string and just swung up to use. Very little aiming needed, just point and pull the trigger and pump, and repeat!!

          • denniso

            And, is that a good thing? Are you mocking big guns or are you sick like many gun lovers?

          • James

            Denniso, if you are concerned about out-of-control state gun shows, you should write to your state’s legislature and so-state your views.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            dennislo,
            No you —! I’m trying to show you that those hand guns you have been ranting and raving about are just a tool like you! If you had half a brain, you could see that if I wanted to murder someone, I could just as easily do it with a bat, a rock, a pool cue, just about anything I pick up and nothing could stop me. It doesn’t take a gun to commit a murder! Break off a pool cue sometime and see what the broken end looks like. you could shove it through a person in a New York second!! Get a brain if you can dude, the little you have isn’t working worth a plug nickle!!!

          • denniso

            A knife or club or even hands can kill someone…but those weapons can’t kill 30 some kids in a matter of minutes like a semi automatic gun w/ a large clip can. Modern guns make mass killing so easy and fast that their is absolutely NO comparison w/ any other readily available ‘weapon’. The NRA and the people who support it who have successfully fought reasonable controls and restrictions on guns all have the blood of our children and other victims of mass killings on their hands….what would Jesus say? More and bigger guns? Sacrifice our children for the ‘right’ to own any kind of gun?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            dennisso,
            how do you explain the fact that Chicago with its gun control laws is averaging one murder a day since the beginning of the year???? And as the Mayor says, violence only raises as the temps go up!!!! Care to explain???

          • denniso

            It’s a waste of time trying to talk w/ you since you are a reactionary
            w/ a totally closed mind…Chicago may have tough gun laws but most of the country doesn’t. We are saturated w/ guns and one or a few cities surrounded by states where guns flow freely like toxic waste can’t possibly keep guns out. You have to look at countries that have a uniform policy on guns to see what the effect is. So any rational looks at the stats on gun violence by country and sees that we lead the ‘civilized’ world in murder by a factor of 3 or 4 or more. Then a rational and slightly scientific person w/ an open mind would wonder why that’s the case when the NRA led sheep keep repeating that more guns make us safer. Any questions, partisan gun nut?

      • Todd

        “Why is it important to own a weapon?”

        Ask that question to the elderly person or single mom who stops an intruder by using a firearm, thus preventing a robbery, a beating, a rape, and possibly a murder. It happens with regularity in America, several times a day.

        It’s important to own a weapon to counter the force of thugs – who will always be armed if possible, regardless of the law. Anyone who fails to understand this logic is considered unteachable.

        • Dave

          All gun control activists want is to make sure that guns can’t be freely bought by people who intend to do harm or are criminal or psychologically unstable. Why is requiring a background check the same as disarming the public for tyranny? If less criminals had guns we wouldn’t need them for protection. Saying that the answer is just to arm everybody so that we can all be safer seems kind of silly when you really look at it doesn’t it? Did that work in the wild west? That just breaks things down to whoever has the most guns seizes control. Kind of like the warlords in Afghanistan? There are no gun laws there. How’s that working out for them?

          • Mike

            Read your history Dave . Besides ! Not sure bout you but I don’t intend to let the Government have control of my freedoms without a fight.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Dave,
            do some research into how many crimes are commited with legally obtained guns!!! The crook doesn’t go to a gunshop and buy a gun legally. He goes to the street corner in any big city and buys one from the local small time gun runner. These guns are brought into the states illegally or are stolen from shops and people, then sold on the illegal market!

          • JC

            Dave, while your premise is that we can trust Government with information as to who owns guns…we can not. Not now, not ever.
            History bears that out quite plainly/ And most especially now that we have Communists in the White House hell bent on turning us into impoverished serfs.
            Sorry but gun control is not about guns…it’s about control.

        • denniso

          Dave is right of course, but the hotheads won’t listen or look at history. If more and more guns and larger ones as well made for a safer society,then why hasn’t it worked here? We’re returning to the days of the Wild West w/ shootouts in the street or bar and cafe. Yet even in the old west there were towns that banned guns for the general safety of citizens.
          Like Dave says,look at places like Afghanistan,Somalia, Sudan and others w/ no gun laws for a lesson in what happens.
          The cliche that an armed public will stop criminals is nothing but a big lie and myth fabricated by the gun lobby for financial gain…business. W/ a society saturated w/ guns and little control of them, crooks will always have bigger guns and more of them and be more willing to use one, compared to the average person who actually doesn’t want to kill someone and will usually think a bit before shooting. The other part of the myth says that crooks will think twice before assaulting someone if they know that some are armed…Ridiculous! That supposes that common thugs who are willing to kill for $50 and some who are high on meth actually do much ‘thinking’ before acting. That’s a preposterous myth.

          I ask again…why haven’t all the legal guns in our country made us one of the safest in the world? How long should we run this little experiment or have to wait before the NRA theory of guns and safety
          proves true?? All the while watching as high school and even elementary age kids kill ea other or their parents or strangers…

      • J.D.

        THATS BECAUSE OUR FOREFATHERS PICKED UP GUNS AND THREW OF THAT CLOAK OF TYRRANY. THEY TOLD US IN THE CONSTITUTION THAT HEY, KEEP HOLD OF A FEW OF THESE JUST IN CASE THE GOVERNMENT DECIDES TO TURN YOUR ASSES INTO SERFS AGAIN. And if you think crime would drop if guns went away, many dfferent polls have shown it actually rises in areas where fewer people are armed.

        • JC

          Further to that…it was “gun confiscation” that triggered the American Revolution in the first place. It’s what spurred the creation of America…lest we forget!

      • http://www.personalliberty.com Jerry H

        Hey Ron, are you a Doctor of Psychology? Now you think I have to be certified by a Doctor in order to own a gun? You weren’t old enough to remember this tactic was tried in 1994 also. Where were your police when my house was broken into by a number of individuals whom no doubt voted for Obama? Where were your 100,000 extra Clinton era Storm Troopers at during the worst time of my life? And why Ron is it that a Police Officer will tell you they can not protect me and my family.. and that it is still my responsibility to protect myself. Why is it Ron that the higher crime rates are always in areas where the Democrats are in power? And why weren’t the families of the perpetrators at Columbine and VT held responsible for what their children did? My children were raised with a respect for human life, human rights, and property rights of the individual. Something you, Ron, sadly lack.

      • JeffH

        Because It’s Cool, Family Legacy (Because my Parents Owned Guns), Just For Hunting, Target Shooting Only, For Social Reasons, For Self Defense, Because the Founding Fathers Wanted me to, As an Investment, Historical Reasons, Interest in The Mechanics of Firearms or My Own Reasons.

        For me, my reasons include most of those outlined above… though I’m unlikely to buy a gun simply to set it aside and not use it. I own and use guns for hunting, target shooting, clay busting, and self defense, as well as just plain exercising my right to protect myself against any and all oppressors. And although I know there are people in the world who hate me for owning guns, I really don’t think there’s anything wrong with it.

        Let your reasons be your own… we Americans are still free to do as we choose, to some extent. Don’t let politicians, TV news anchors, me, or anyone else do your thinking for you.

        I highly recommend gun ownership, but you get to make your own choice. Just don’t tread on me if you don’t agree… some serpents still have fangs.

        - Russ Chastain
        http://hunting.about.com/od/guns/a/whyownagun_2.htm

      • http://www.obamalies.net Stephaan

        ron says:
        April 22, 2010 at 8:02 am
        The government wants to take your guns? Seems like people are way too sensitive about the gun thing…
        …………………………………………………………………………………………
        Hey ron;
        It seems like you and your liberal socialist ilk think that if you just keep telling us that the government doesn’t want to take our guns, that we will just believe you. Well sorry pal. We’re not stupid. We are able to do our own research. You must think we’re as easy to zoom as the majority of the uneducated liberals in this country that keep voting for MORE GOVERNMENT CONTROL!
        Sorry ron …..Wrong again!!

        Anti-gun bills congress has in the pipe:

        *** The Disarming American Citizens Act — H.R. 2159 the so-called “Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009″ — allowing anti-gun Attorney General Eric Holder to revoke the Second Amendment rights of ANY American he chooses based on pure “suspicion;”

        *** A new so-called “Assault Weapons” Ban, targeting ALL semi-automatic rifles and shotguns — which, unlike the Clinton ban, will NEVER expire;

        *** H.R. 45, the “Catch-All” Obama Gun Control Bill, which would create a national gun registry, require a two-day waiting period, hike taxes on gun sales, federally ban ALL private firearms sales and FORCE you to take a written exam just to prove you’re “fit” to own a firearm;

        *** The U.N.’s “Small Arms Treaty,” which would confiscate and destroy ALL “unauthorized” civilian firearms and set the stage for INTERNATIONAL gun confiscation. Recently, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said, “The United States is committed to actively pursuing a strong and robust [small-arms] treaty.

        • Dave

          None of those laws ban guns. Why can’t you wait 2 days? Also, it just so happens that more liberals are highly educated than consservatives who are led like sheep by morons like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh who take advantage of your emotions for their own gains. You should TRY thinking for yourself.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Dave,
            don’t make me laugh! You are purposely NOT reading the bills mentioned! Did you not read where Holder will have the right to ban handgun ownership with ANYBODY HE SEES FIT???? Assault gun BAN???

          • JC

            “Try thinking for yourself”. This from an advocate of government control and socialism…
            How utterly preposterous.

      • ChuckL

        Gee! Ron,
        It’s a matter of trust. If I, as a law-abiding citizen, can not be trusted by the government, then why should I believe that that government is not doing something that is harmful to me?

        On the other hand, why should I accept a law that guarantees to a criminal, who will ignore the law anyhow, that I and others are not able to defend ourselves and are therefore ripe for the pickings?

      • Darrell of VA

        I am truly amazed that such a question would ever be asked. It is clear on it’s face your parents and all who paid their property taxes to pay for your education was a partial waste of monies at best.
        Were you asleep every day of you history class or has our public education teaching stooped to such a low?
        I advise you to get a dictionary and a copy of your Constitution and read the Second Amendment and look-up those words in your dictionary to get a good understanding as to what it means.
        Otherwise keep asking silly questions and perish in your ignorance,while your fellow brothern who do understand fight for all their God Given Rights (notice I did not say Constitutional rights – Hint: The Constition does not give you any rights) to do so.
        Or alternatively, buy yourself a gun or a telephone to defend yourself- It’s America and it’s your right to choose- thats what makes America great. I love America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

        Ron, Please look up the histories of say just NAZI Germany and, even earlier, Communist Russia and her fledgling Soviet Union, Castro’s Cuba, or the People’s Republic of China for just a few examples that come immediately to mind. Look up the violent crime statistics in just England and Australia alone, while comparing say 10 years before and 10 years after their abolition of almost all privately owned firearms. then get back to me. You have every God given right to choose to wait for the Gendarmes to arrive to save you and your family’s lives, after you finally get through to 911. You do not, however, have the right to choose that almost certain death for me and mine.

      • Doug Rodrigues

        Nobody needs a weapon until they actually need it. It’s like a tool that you wish you had when the need arises. If you don’t wish to own a gun, then don’t. However, this places you into the “unarmed potential victim” catagory. You are your first line of defense, NOT the Police. The Police are always at the scene of a crime AFTER it happens to investigate and take the report.

        The Supreme Court had previously ruled that “The Police have no legal responsibility to protect you, but only to bring criminals to Justice.” As the L.A. riots, and the New Orleans events have proven, any major event that keeps the police busy allow criminals to do whatever they want to do with you. If you have something they want, and you cannot prevent them from doing so, what are you going to do? In the L.A. riots, the only potential victims who weren’t victimized where the citizens who had guns to warn-off the criminals. The criminals aren’t stupid. They prey on the easy targets. If you wish to be an easy target, then be my guest.

        Especially for a woman home alone while someone is trying to break into your home, a gun for protection is a plus. The phone lines are usually cut by the criminals first. Go outside to see how easy it is to cut your phone line? However, if your phone is functioning, or if you have a cell phone, do you want to be on the phone with the Police (if the line isn’t busy)and have a gun in the other hand if needed, or do you just want to be unarmed and praying that the Police arrive before the criminal gets to you? If you are armed, please don’t let the dispatcher talk you into putting the gun away. There was one well known murder victim who took the dispatcher’s advice and got stabbed to death before the Police arrived! A dispatcher only knows about dispatching, and nothing more!

        Now you’re probably thinking that I’m some kind of gun nut, right? I’m a retired Deputy Sheriff.

      • Bryan

        Well Ron you would have to to your “psych profile” WITH ALL THE FOUNDING FATHERS. Then you would have to do a “psych profile” ON 150 MILLION CITIZENS then you would have to look at 5,000 YEARS OF RECORED HISTORY then you would HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CONSTITUTION that Gives us this RIGHT FROM GOD.

        It is to protect us from bad people and BAD GOVERNMETNS wake up and GROW UP for real.

      • http://sheltonjames@yahoo.com james shelton

        Ron I don’t know where you live but I have almost always cept for 13 yrs in Phoenix lived in rural America. AS stated by one of the Japanese Admirals the main reason there was no major invasion after Pearl was because every household had guns. Now living in rural areas a gun does help supply meat for the table and also protects you from criminals. Neither the police nor a neighbor can arv. fast enough to help.Even in the middle of Phoenix my son had to get arm himself when a you rushed in the front door threatening to beat him. I wasn’t home fortunatly for him. All rights are abused by some,but everyone has them. Some like Fords others Chevy. To each his own.

  • American Liberal

    Background check?.. Good idea….some of these gun shows will sell weapons to any ” Timothy McVeigh” wanna be that has cash….if a bar or bartender sells booze to a drunk then the bartender or bar could be held responsible if the drunk harms someone …. Should be the same with weapons ….if a person buys a weapon without a background check that gun seller should be held responsible… If the buyer has something in his background that would have shown up in a background check…

    • Al Sieber

      You sure are ignorant, whats guns have to do with the Okla. city bombing and Tin Mcveigh?

      • http://sheltonjames@yahoo.com james shelton

        You can’t argue with a liberal since all the common sense has been edducated out of them.

    • William Nealey

      hhas it ever occurred to you and your liberal friends that if those teachers had been armed there wouldn’t have been near as many students killed??? no common sense matters never occurr to people like you. you people would probaly be very glad to see America totaly dissarmed and at the mercy of the muslims and other despots around the world. thank God there are still enough of us who are not that STUPID,

      • ron

        Brilliant. Armed teachers. I can only imagine the fatalities and collateral damage associated with friendly fire.

        • Al Sieber

          Ron, you sound like you’ve never owned a firearm and you probably shouldn’t even own a squirt gun but that’s up to you. you need to do more research on the subject before forming a opinion, and allow the rest of us to exercise our rights. should the Govt. be the the only ones armed?

        • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

          God. You are a fool. In grade school, I had a teacher who looked like Wally Cox (who played “Mr. Peepers” on TV). One day, while lining up after recess, one of us noticed a bulge in his right hand jacket pocket (remember when male teachers routinely wore jackets and female teachers wore dresses?) and asked him what it was. He pulled out his snub nosed colt Detective Special in .38 S&W Special Caliber and showed it to us. We were amazed, curious and pleased, all at the same time. funny thing about it was, nobody felt intimidated, frightened or in danger because of that. In fact, we all felt safer. Nobody called the authorities, the school nor took their children out of school because of it. He suffered no negative consequences whatsoever. Neither did we. Of course, this was in the late 40′s, so I guess we’re much more violent as a species now than we used to be shortly after WW II.

          • independant thinker

            My high school chemistry teacher (who also taught advanced mathamatics courses) was a gunsmith and collector. He gave presentations at assembly in the gym demonstrating safe gun handeling, a little history (he had some historicaly significant guns) and shooting demonstrations using specially loaded low power ammunition. While to my knowledge he was never witnessed carring a gun for protection It would not supprise me if he had.

            One other tidbit about him, he said in geometry class “I think the school rule against carrying a pocket knife (as he cleaned his fingernail with one) is stupid for you never know when you might need to cut someone”.

        • JC

          ron, the Government itself is arming the Dept. of Education and the IRS with tactical shotguns. Seems like a contradiction to what you’re saying doesn’t it?
          Oh well, maybe you’ll figure it out one day…the Government we now suffer has an agenda that compels it to lie with every breath.

    • CJ

      Am Lib… there you go again, putting your foot further in your mouth. When will you learn? By your logic, drunk driving vicitms should hold car dealers responsible. Victims of smoking related illness should sue grocery store owners. Swimming pools cause more deaths than guns each year. Should the pool dealers be next? Your reality would be dull to live in.

    • JC

      And your parents should be held responsible for not using birth control.

      • s c

        Right on, JC! If I was in a very tacky mood, I might force myself to ask whether or not certain parents were fully informed about their abortion rights ‘choices.’ Know what I mean?

        • Jim H.

          SC Abortions kill more children than HANDGUNS. See what “rights” libs fight for.

      • http://sheltonjames@yahoo.com james shelton

        I’m with you there JC

      • JC

        Thanks, but just to clarify, I said “birth control” not abortion.
        I have no opinion on abortion since I am not a woman and have no stake in it.

    • J.D.

      Look up how many guns that are purchased in gun shows are used in violent attacks or robberies in the U.S. Less than one percent. Also, most people who perform violent acts with a gun are repeat offenders(felons),we already have umteen laws saying they can’t have them, and yet they get them anyway, most of which aren’t even legal to sell in the U.S. (that includes your gun shows). They get them from Mexico or are trafficked up here on the black market. Also, I tried something really interesting the other day, I left my ruger revolver on my table and invited my neighbors over for brunch. We sat there for three hours talking and that gun, which was fully loaded, never killed anyone! I know this may come as a shock to a lot of people in the world today, but guns don’t kill people, people kill people, they just happen to use a gun, or a knife, or a club, or a sharp stick, or in the case of timmy and his boy nichols, fertilizer and diesel fuel. Hell, I bet given the right motivation, a person could kill another person with a hot horse shoe! And before anyone out there decides to say more gun laws will save kids from accidental shootings, before we go that way, we really need more laws against swimming pools, because for every kid that gets injured with a gun, there are more than thirty that drown in swimming pools every year. Why aren’t people trying to restrict swimming? Do something about that and save thirty times the number of people in the U.S every year than by chasing gun owners and hounding them. GUN LAWS DON’T WORK. Instead, get tougher on the criminals that kill, rape, or harm in any way. The death penalty doesn’t work simply because it isn’t used enough. You have more chance of dieing in a drive by shooting in L.A. than of dieing on death row. In the last ten years, less than 400 people have died that were on death row. I have a better chance of winning the Powerball than dieing on deathrow, that is if I was on deathrow. So think, if I want to kill or terrorize someone, and I don’t have a gun, what can I use? Then look around your house, and I’ll bet you will find at least 10 if not 1000 things that you could use that are just as effective. So, would you rather regulate everything in your house to the government, or should we just start eliminating individuals that cannot or will not live within what society has deemed as acceptable behavior toward each other. To me its a no-brainer. And by the way, Big Gov doesn’t want my gun so YOU can feel safer, they want my gun so THEY can feel safer, safer to do to me and my country and my neighbors whatever they want with impunity, without retaliation. Why do you think our forefathers made that #1 on their list? because it sounded good? NO!!!!! It was so, if all else fails and we have to resort to defending ourselves against our own government(God willing that will never, never happen)to throw off that cloak of tyranny, as they put it. Read COMMON SENSE by Mr. Paine, (one of the signers of our glorious Constitution) and maybe you can get your mind right.

      • David Fouser

        Whle we’re talking about guns killing people, let’s talk about a rod, switch, belt, etc. abusing children. I was one of six who had the good fortune to be raised by parents who “applied the board of education to the seat of knowledge”. It didn’t take very many times to know that I was to do as I was told, not to disobey, and further to learn not only respect for authority but the value of good, hard, honest work. Applied judiciously and lovingly in a very strategic spot at an early age (disobedience isn’t cute when it’s willful) children at a surprisingly early age can learn that when Mom and Dad say “No!”, they mean it. Then teachers, principals, the community, police and other authorities find readily tractable, productive, hard-working citizens who don’t need “baby jail”, detention homes, juvenile court, on to lethal injection, the electric chair, death-row, etc. Consider that this is really “child abuse”, forcing a child to “raise himself by trial and error”, at the whim of authorities long after he should be able to control himself.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        J.D.,
        you just convinced me to play powerball this next round. Ohio just executed two in the last couple of months and I say good riddance of them both! One tried to stop his execution by claiming that he was allergic to the chemicals injected into them!! He wasn’t worried at all about the girl he murdered being “allergic” to the rape and strangulation he performed on her!!

    • JeffH

      Gun banners: rhetoric replaces reality

      there is this curious aspect shared by gun banners: their “guilty until proven innocent” philosophy which spills over into their “sensible” gun laws. As a result, you get “leaders” like Governor Fenty of Washington, D.C., with their personal, armed police escorts, promoting gun bans on rhetoric alone:
      And making it tougher on people to get a handgun makes it tougher for them to kill somebody. We are trying to make it as tough as possible for bad guys to get handguns.
      He makes this claim despite the numbers which define a different reality: In the last five years of FBI crime data, the District of Columbia averaged a murder rate over 6 times higher than that of the entire country.

      Not only that, but the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reports that for the last 4 years of reporting data (2003-2006) D.C. averaged a non-firearms homicide rate higher than the total homicide rate for entire country.

      Keep in mind that, when derogation and name-calling is the only recourse available, anti-self-defense proponents have just publicly admitted defeat. As Cam Edwards, host of NRA News, noted recently, what makes them act this way is the fact that the “gun lobby” is us, the American People. This reality terrifies them, and we may be on the edge of a sea-change in American history, so take heart and work harder than ever for Liberty.
      http://www.examiner.com/x-2879-Austin-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m6d24-Personal-freedom-versus-violent-crime-Part-2

      • http://sheltonjames@yahoo.com james shelton

        Sohow I had a thought. Wife musta hit me. WhAT IF these gun hateing officals were stopped (somehow non violently) and their armed guards ushered away leaving them ALLL ALONE. Thimk maybe they just might change their tune?? Lets see ANY congress person without guards or Bloomberger. Fat chance.

      • JC

        GUN CONTROL:

        The absurd theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own panty hose is somehow “morally superior” to the woman explaining to police how her attacker recieved a fatal gunshot wound.

    • http://backgroundcheckgood? Darrell of VA

      Yea, your logic makes complete sense to me. It’s no different when the farmer is sued for selling his carrots because you bought them and pushed all of them, one by one, up your but and caused great harm to your intestines. Makes sense to me.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      amlib,
      “if a bar serves booze to a drunk they should be held…” What the hell ever happened to personal responsibility??? I know, the poor murderer he had such a hard childhood! Yeah right! Fry him the good old fasion way!!!

    • independant thinker

      A private individual cannot call up the FBI and get a background check done only a licensed firearm dealer or police department can do that. Any law to require private sales to do a background check is a law to prevent the private transfer of any firearm even buying your son, daughter, wife, or husband a firearm for their birthday or
      Christmas.

  • Shane

    Bad guys are gonna get guns no matter what laws are passed. All these laws do is make it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to protect themselves.

    • J.D.

      Amen,amen,amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Michael R Smith

    Screw them,HR 2324 never made it out of commitee,this bill is dead!

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    I hope you get mad like I did!

    Subject: 545 people vs 300 million people

    545 people vs 300 million people

    This is about as clear and easy to understand as it can be – read it!!
    The article below is completely neutral, …not anti republican or democrat.

    Charlie Reese, a retired reporter for the Orlando Sentinal has hit the nail directly on the head, defining clearly who it is that in the final analysis must assume responsibility for the judgements made that impact each one of us every day.

    It’s a short but good read. Worth the time. Worth remembering!

    545 vs. 300,000,000

    EVERY CITIZEN NEEDS TO READ THIS AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS JOURNALIST HAS SCRIPTED IN THIS MESSAGE. READ IT AND THEN REALLY THINK ABOUT OUR CURRENT POLITICAL DEBACLE.

    Charley Reese has been a journalist for 49 years.
    545 PEOPLE–By Charlie Reese

    Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them..

    Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

    Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

    You and I don’t propose a federal budget. The president does.

    You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

    You and I don’t write the tax code, Congress does.

    You and I don’t set fiscal policy, Congress does.

    You and I don’t control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

    One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

    I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

    I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don’t care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator’s responsibility to determine how he votes.

    Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

    What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits….. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

    The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? Nancy Pelosi. She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

    It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted — by present facts — of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can’t think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

    If the tax code is unfair, it’s because they want it unfair.

    If the budget is in the red, it’s because they want it in the red ..

    If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ , it’s because they want them in IRAQ

    If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it’s because they want it that way.

    There are no insoluble government problems.

    Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like “the economy,” “inflation,” or “politics” that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

    Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

    They, and they alone, have the power..

    They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.

    Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees…

    We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

    Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.

    What you do with this article now that you have read it……… Is up to you.
    This might be funny if it weren’t so darned true.
    Be sure to read all the way to the end:
    Tax his land,
    Tax his bed,
    Tax the table,
    At which he’s fed.

    Tax his tractor,
    Tax his mule,
    Teach him taxes
    Are the rule.
    Tax his work,
    Tax his pay,
    He works for peanuts
    Anyway!

    Tax his cow,
    Tax his goat,
    Tax his pants,
    Tax his coat.

    Tax his ties,
    Tax his shirt,
    Tax his work,
    Tax his dirt.

    Tax his tobacco,
    Tax his drink,
    Tax him if he
    Tries to think..

    Tax his cigars,
    Tax his beers,
    If he cries
    Tax his tears.

    Tax his car,
    Tax his gas,
    Find other ways
    To tax his ass.

    Tax all he has
    Then let him know
    That you won’t be done
    Till he has no dough.

    When he screams and hollers;
    Then tax him some more,
    Tax him till
    He’s good and sore.
    Then tax his coffin,
    Tax his grave,
    Tax the sod in
    Which he’s laid…

    Put these words
    Upon his tomb,
    Taxes drove me
    to my doom…’

    When he’s gone,
    Do not relax,
    Its time to apply
    The inheritance tax..
    Accounts Receivable Tax
    Building Permit Tax
    CDL license Tax
    Cigarette Tax
    Corporate Income Tax
    Dog License Tax
    Excise Taxes
    Federal Income Tax
    Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
    Fishing License Tax
    Food License Tax
    Fuel Permit Tax
    Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
    Gross Receipts Tax
    Hunting License Tax
    Inheritance Tax
    Inventory Tax
    IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
    Liquor Tax
    Luxury Taxes
    Marriage License Tax
    Medicare Tax
    Personal Property Tax
    Property Tax
    Real Estate Tax
    Service Charge Tax
    Social Security Tax
    Road Usage Tax
    Recreational Vehicle Tax
    Sales Tax
    School Tax
    State Income Tax
    State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
    Telephone Federal Excise Tax
    Telephone Federal Universal Service FeeTax
    Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
    Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
    Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax
    Telephone State and Local Tax
    Telephone Usage Charge Tax
    Utility Taxes
    Vehicle License Registration Tax
    Vehicle Sales Tax
    Watercraft Registration Tax
    Well Permit Tax
    Workers Compensation Tax
    STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?
    What in the hell happened? Can you spell ‘politicians?’

    I hope this goes around THE USA at least 100 times!!! YOU can help it get there!!!
    GO AHEAD – - – BE AN AMERICAN!!!
    ps If you do the right thing and pass this on -which is entirely up to you – please do the right thing and highlite and delete any addresses you receive with it. Thanks

    • J.D.

      AMEN, AMEN AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • grayghostusa

    What the gun-show-loophole crowd doen’t want you to know is there is no way to tell the difference between a gun sales in the parking lot of a gun show and you giving a gun to your son or daughter or selling a gun you no longer want or need to a friend or neighbor.

    The only way the mythical gun-show-loophole can be closed is to register every single firearm in America. In every first world nation that has required registration of firearms, it has led to the confiscation of those same weapons.

    And guess what? It still will not solve the problem percieved by the anti-gun crowd. Since criminals by definition do not abide by the law, taking guns from legal, honest people only increase the population of victims. Maybe that is their real agenda. If the number of potential victims goes up, their odds of being a victim go down in inverse porportion.

    • JC

      I don’t believe there is or ever has been a “gun show loop hole”.
      If we have the right to own and sell property privately, what “loophole” are they talking about?
      This is just more statist propoganda.

      • prsmith

        I could not agree more. What needs to be eliminated is the unconstitutional and illegal background check required to purchase from dealers. It’s none of their business!

  • Garrett

    I don’t recall any of the firearms used in Columbine or Virginia Tech as being bought at a gun show. The guns at Virginia Tech were purchased legally at a gun shop. Why is it that Democrates and gun right opponents can’t be honest??

    • http://www.4permits.com Bruce

      The Columbine guns were purchansed at a gunshow, but it was a straw purchase by a qualifies person. Background check or no background check she was clean. You cannot stop straw sales.

  • Fed up Vet

    To American Liberal and other such bleeding hearts. If a person buys a car and kills somebody with it in an accident or intentionally, should the car manufacturer be held accountable? See how absurd your position is. You are clearly not engaging your brain before engaging your mouth. Thousands of Americans die at the hands of Doctors and other medical staff every year.It is shocking to see how many die of infections alone. Go hassle them and try to make a difference.Firearm related deaths equal a miniscule fraction of these “accidental” deaths.Do not fear guns or gun owners, fear criminals. There is documention galore that proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that legal and responsible gun ownership reduces violent crime. Just open your eyes and your minds and you will see!

  • Tom2

    Closing the gun show loophole has an unintended consequence. A citizen wishing to sell an older firearm will be forced to obtain a criminal background report on a prospective buyer. The additional cost, effort and time will cause most to forego the falderal, keep the used gun and buy a new one. Such a law will greatly reduce used gun availability, steering a buyer to a new gun instead. It’s another politically inspired bonanza for gun manufacturers. More guns all ’round! Additionally, because only a tiny fraction of privately sold guns are used in crimes, such a law won’t make us significantly safer. Closing the gun show loophole is another expensive violation of the 2nd Amendment that won’t accomplish much.

  • Winchester Steele

    Now that they have socialized medicine past its major obstacle, the Communists and their fools are at it again in another venue.

  • Sid Rodrigue

    There is no “Gun Show Loop Hole”. Any transaction by a person who is not a licensed gun dealer is a private transaction between two private individuals. All current Federal and State Gun Laws should be abolished. The 2nd amendment was written to arm the private citizen so that no unjust government would be free to take his liberty and freedom from him. The Obama Government is now attempting to take these “God Given Rights” from us with every new legislation which is passed. Vote these people out of office as soon as it is legally possible.

  • prsmith

    Self defense is a fundamental, unalienable right. It is commanded of us by God. Neither the Feds nor the states have the right to take away or restrict our means of defense. It has been proven over and over again that allowing the citizenry to keep and bear arms reduces crime and taking away that right only hurts the weakest among us who are incapable of defending themselves otherwise. Anyone who uses ANY weapon to take a human life excepting justified self defense should pay a very severe price both for the damage to the family and for the damage to the community and nation. The only other exceptions should be young children and the mentally incompetent under the supervision and PROTECTION of authorities.

  • Tom Teacher

    I have in two different times in the past been the holder of a Federal Firearms License. I’d really like to know what loophole thes people are talking about! The laws are very specific and since people like the “Brady Bunch” the laws and rules have become so oppressive that many have given up their FFL’s…myself included. Of course the other major problem was being a gun dealer in The People’s Republic of Commiefornia which is the way the entire country will go now that we have the Great Socialist in power! This is just another step towards totalitarin government. There is a reason his middle name is Hussein!

  • Bary

    Most of the responders have some good points. I, like many others saw the one sided story done by ABC news where they gave a kid $5K and he came back with arms full of guns. Is is possible He bought them from private individuals without a backgound check. Yes, as long as he was a resident of the State, perfectly legal. What was left out of the story, and subsequently out of this article, is the hundreds of transaction conduted by licensed gun dealers at the guns shows, where the forms are filled out, the call in is made, and the person is approved or disapproved, based on the backgroung check. Anyone seeing that ABC documentary News report( I use the term loosely, since it was pure propiganda)or reading this article would think that all of the guns sold at gunshows are done without a background check. Nothing could be further from the truth. Another example of one sided liberal meadia pushing their agenda. Guns don’t kill, Nut jobs do!

  • madmary

    Columbine was a CIA op and there were other shooters and if you would take the time to read the transcripts from the investigation, you will see for yourself that you have been lied to again. There were grown men with guns in Columbine and they were not law enforcement!

    We have guns to protect ourselves from the government. When you discover that Oklahoma City, Columbine, Waco, Jonestown, and the Wall Street and 911 explosions, the shoe and underwear bombers, WERE ALL CIA GOVERNMENT PSY OPS, you will know why we carry concealed weapons.

    The Continuity of Government or COG is your new “leader”

    • Mike

      Mad Mary,it’s time to go back to your cell now. Lunch will be served soon.

    • Jeep

      You caught me!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      madmary,
      very aptly named, indeed!!!!

  • kevin Heller

    Wake up people. Everyone wake up and listen. I don’t care if your talking about va. tech, columbine, or pirates off the coast of somalia. “GUNS DO NOT KILL PEOPLE” “PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE”

    • JC

      And if guns DO kill people, how come guns don’t go to jail?

  • Airangel

    It’s not the Guns committing the crime! It’s the individuals themselves and if they didn’t have a gun, they would use a knife, a bomb, a baseball bat, etc…it’s the character and the anger/rage within a person lashing out. A gun is just a means to carry that anger or frustration out. Control the behavior and you’ll control the crime. Columbine, Virginia Tech, the Ft. Hood and most all other school and group shootings are directly related to psychotic behavior and psych drugs given to these kids. We have become a “lazy” society of popping pills rather than getting to the root cause of issues and changing the behavior.

    • David Fouser

      My daughter is about to graduate from a Christian School. They are educated in the three R’s as well as Bible and “How I Act”. Each of those letters covers a particular area of attitude and behavior. Starting with Kindergarten, children were not to talk back, pout, throw a tantrum, sass, or show disrespect to teachers, the principal, and enough demerits resulted in a swat from the principal and/or a letter home. Most children entered first and second grade as socialized, well mannered, young students having learned their “A,B,C’s” with a Bible memory verse for each letter to be recited without error from beginning to end. In the thirty some years this recitation has been required, only one student failed. Needless to say, the vast majority graduate going on to Christian College, the military including the Marines, etc. Critical is teaching each child to “control themselves, to rule their own person” – something even Alexander, the Great couldn’t do. When we can do this, the sky’s the limit.

      • David Fouser

        Oh yeah, back on post – one day a year we have an Saturday when whoever wants to can get together to “shoot guns”. I’ve never been there but have heard of some pretty serious fire-power being “exercised”. We do have guys and some girls take time out for hunting season whether muzzle loader or regular rifle/shotgun or bow. I had a little 22 rifle, learned to fire a side arm as Corpsman with the Marines in Vietnam and agree with the majority on this site – it’s the “person behind the weapon” that commits the crime be it a gun or a rock.

        • http://www.obamalies.net Stephaan

          Same here David. We have 3 “lead fests” a year on
          Memorial day, 4th of July, and Veterans Day.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Stephaan,
            I got the fever now!! I looked at another 9mm today. Made in Fla. I,ve never heard of the brand and right now can’t remember what it is, but the guy said I can try it on the range if I want. 350.00 with two clips out the door! Nice size for CC if I want to get my permit which I probably will. White dot sights. If it shoots well, I will probably have another gun next week!!! I like the 9mm and it doesn’t seem to bother my arthritic wrists either. since I got the hi-point, I’ve put about 100 rounds through it. I was a little rusty at first but it’s coming back quite well! Gets a little expensive though!!LOL!

  • Ray Perry

    The Second Amendment has nothing to do with crime anyway. If you read what the founders said you will see that the reason they intended that we never be disarmed is so that we can always protect ourselves from CORRUPT TYRANNICAL ILL-MOTIVATED GOVERNMENT. You know. Like we have NOW. The kind of government that intends to make us all slaves, depriving us of ALL rights.

    It has been said that the Second Amendment is the right to protect all your other rights.

    If Adolfobama gets what he wants we (the US) will be in a world government scheme and NO ONE will own anything, least of all a gun.
    Yes folks, the US, especially the Christian conservative gun-owning productive prosperous middle class, is the biggest obstacle to the Biblically-prophesied world government scheme. That is why they want socialized medicine. That is why they want gun control. That is why they want amnesty. That is why they want cap and tax. That is why they want ENDA. That is the reason for the entire communist (democrat) agenda. To destroy the barriers to world government.

    If you doubt me just sit back, keep doing nothing but watch the signs. But when you wake up it will be too late.

  • Brad Carpenter

    The very notion that there is such a thing as a Gun Show loop-hole is so pointless and stupid that no intelligent person should accept the notion.
    Where ever an individual obtains a gun tells us where they obtained the gun whether they purchased the gun from a store; from a gun show; borrowed the gun; stoled the gun; the gun fell from the sky and hit them in the head; or from a license dealer or from an un-license dealer.
    The reason someone would commit a crime has nothing to do with the fact they have access to or possession of a gun or how they purchased or obtained the gun; People commit crimes because that is the course of action that they decided to take.
    The evil; the murder; and violence is in the soul of man; not the instrument they have chosen to use to commit a crime. God of his own will gave us a free will; and gave us the freedom to do good or to do evil. We have the responsibility to do what is good. Therefore, people must use dicipline and self control to prevent themselves from committing a crime or anything foolish.

    Finally, one can write as many Gun Control laws until hell freezes over and there will be someone who just might committ a crime of their own free will, not because they have access to or possession of a gun.

  • Mike

    The “gun control” crowd start their annual cry “Stamp out Guns” every anniversary of a particular heinous crime. The fact is it is brought about and led by the Rep.McCarthy whose husband was killed and son was injured by a nut case on the LIRR. If any of the passengers were also armed they could have stopped the killing. The same is true in most cases. Sara Brady’s husband was also wounded as was President Regan. The bottom line is we are all responsible for our own safety. The goverment has put up road blocks all along to people owning firearms. The goverment says “call 911″. The truth is the police are not there in time to stop tragic shootings. They usually arrive after the fact and take reports. You will notice that any perpetrator that is caught and tried is considered “insane” and gets to live free in jail or hospital on the taxpayers money. No one is sentenced to death for their crimes. Hinkley will be out someday soon. Colon Ferguson may never get out but he still gets 3 hots and a cot and movies and visits and recreation on the N.Y.State taxpayer. If the school shooters didn’t kill themselves they would still be alive. The dead would still be dead because they could not defend themselves. Thanks to the government and thanks to the schools for barring weapons on campus. When the majority of American people stop acting like sheep and grow a spine and demand their rights to defend themselves the killing will keep occuring. A Professor whose name escapes me once said ” An Armed Society is a Polite Society” !! Now thats a true statement……

  • Chris

    this article is BULL-s**t ever since the Brady act was passed all gun buyers have to go thru a background check to buy a gun, unless they already have a gun permit, in that case they already went thru extensive back ground check at the local & federal level, This is just another attempt to ban guns completely!!! The 2nd amendment was wrote to protect you from your goverment, hunting & self protection is a side benefit of the sencond ammendment. Note with the miltarizaation of all of local police forces, which i believe to be unconstituttional, 99% of the gun owners dont have the protection to stop them if they want to go door to door & take our weapons, this miltarization was done on purpose because of all the guns that are in the USA, so the local forces will always have the upper hand!!! Why our goverment is scared of gun owners really baffels me??? I dont believe that violence is the answer or ever will be the answer!!!! The power of education, & the power of the VOTE, is what our forefathers gave us to deal with the imcompetence that has been going on the last 100 years, Communism from Europe has been slowly creeping up on us for along time! With the passage of the Federal Reserve act of 1913 & the passage of the income tax, Europe won the war!!!Now that the people have awake to figure out what has happened, we need to elect officals who respect the Constitution & reverse what has happened before we become SERFS that are no more than cannon fodder for there Kings & Queens. This is not a Republican or Democratic issue, this is a people issue, divide & conquer is all that is going on when the “left” & “Right” point fingers at each other, saying not me. he did it!!! Wake up folks, get on the same track, & go vote these impostors out.

  • eddie47d

    Jerry H. So you want to arrest and prosecute parents of children who commit crimes? Peer pressure and many other reasons can turn a “good” child into a bully,thief,or even murder. Not everyone lives in your perfect world but I’m glad your kids turned out okay.

  • http://personalliberty.com John Dole

    Charlie Rose had it correct. My solution is to vote out all incumbents and establish term limits as a first step.

    • http://www.obamalies.net Stephaan

      John;
      Voting out all incumbents is time consuming, counter productive, and wasteful. There are some good pro 2nd amendment, pro Constitution, pro freedom reps and senators in congress. Why vote them out and chance getting someone worse. Vote out the liberal socialists and keep the Americans in there, so we can take back control. Same goes for term limits.

      google–> obamaslies.net

  • eddie47d

    Wm.Nealey; Teachers are in school to teach and have enough on their plates and shouldn’t have to look over their shoulder and worry about guns. Are you going to be responsible if that teachers gun get’s stolen from his or her’s desk drawer? What if he has to break up a fight and it goes off and kills an innocent? Too many what if’s in a school setting. I doubt if your trained to be a pilot,you know, Just in case your needed on a flight to save lives. Are you one of those NO TAX people who are willing to pay for the guns,training,and insurance for these teachers?

  • Phil Payton

    Tod has made a good point.
    I am a retired Police Officer. Did you know that it is unconstitutional for a Police Officer to Protect and Serve? Its written on most of the Police Cars but it doesn’t mean a thing. A Police Officer cannot protect anyone. A Police Officer Must wait until a crime has been committed. He cannot take an action before a crime is committed. His presence may stop a crime just by his being there but that is all. A Police Officer doesn’t serve anyone. He is not a waiter. He serves by doing his job. If you look up the rules you will find that You are responsible for your Own Protection. And the best way to do that is to own a firearm, and learn how to use it and when to use it. A person can not just pull out a gun and open up. There must be a fear for life. Yours or someone Else’s. Owning a firearm is a grave responsibility and should be taken to heart. Go to a professional firearm’s instructor and Learn. Join the NRA.
    Just remember You are responsible for your own safety, not the Police.
    Phil

    • JeffH

      Phil Payton, well said. If only more people could understand your words.

    • Tom Teacher

      Bravo Phil! Too many people don’t understand the responsibility that goes with gun ownership. Having been a G.I. in Viet Nam and law enforcement including federal before becoming a teacher I couldn’t agree with you more. The people who are pushing for these regulations are the very same who are just sure that when their life or the lives of their loved ones are threatened, the call to 911 for help that is only 45 minutes away will save them. Pity, isn’t it!
      So many people simply don’t understand!

  • Jim Wright

    What the families from VT and other school shootings need to remember are the police looking very professional hiding behind their cars and the trees OUTSIDE while their family members dyed INSIDE. We have the God given right to self defense. The Gun Free Zones that have been created have another name, they are called Free Fire Zones because they ensure that only the gunman will have a weapon so no body can interfere with their planned murder.

  • eddie47d

    Fed up vet; If you purchase a weapon at a gun show or anywhere and your ligitimate then the seller is not responsible for your actions. The same with any product such as a car and you have to go through hoops to get a car too (paperwork,financing ect). So chill out and stay safe with your guns.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      eddieduh,
      I can take a couple of hundred bucks down the street and buy a car on nothing more than a bill of sale that is notorized. A lot of notaries that know you will notarize it without the other person being present. no real hoops to jump through. No three day waiting period.
      you probably want to see us have to buy a licence that has to be hung on the back anytime we are carrying and has to be renewed each year, right? The dark side, dude, the dark side!!! Pucker!

  • coolpop

    I keep hearing about Columbine referred to by the anti gun idiots. Does anyone have a brain ? If it were legal to carry concealed at that time ,and two or three students were armed, just think how many lives could have been saved ! You will never run short of crazies,and they will always find a way to get a weapon. Does it not seem the intelligent way to be prepared ? If not, then we should ban fire extinguishers, and smoke alarms !

  • http://www.obamalies.net Stephaan

    ron & Un American Liberal;

    Why don’t you two come over to my house, and we’ll see how quickly I can kill you with a rock or a stick.

    p.s.
    ron, you can bring your “squirt gun” that Al was talkin about :-)

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Stephaan,
      I have about a dozen aluminum bats I prefer!!! I only use a gun when I want to have some fun!!! He,HE,He,He!!!

  • Dick

    Ron and others take self protection very lightly. Maybe you should look at the FBI crime statistics that show those states with right to carry laws have significant decreases in the amount of crime. While your at it, look at the major increase in violent crime in countries such as Great Britin, Australia and Canada where guns have been confiscated. No, I’ll keep my gun. It’s easier to carry then a policeman on my back.

    • denniso

      Why do you suppose that we have higher rates of violence and murder than those countries you mention? Maybe their rates have gone up but they are still way below us. Us, w/ more guns than any other first world country in the world. Why??

  • Old man Tom

    I go to gun shows all the time, allover the country. i have yet to see a dealer sell a firearm without doing a background check. There is no loophole in the laws that cover gun sales.

    • denniso

      Let’s see…if you haven’t personally seen guns sold at a gunshow w/ no background check,then it doesn’t happen?? Then why are people fighting to close the gunshow loop if it doesn’t exist?
      Did you personally see the atomic bomb dropped? Did it happen?

  • eddie47d

    Sorry Coolpop your not so cool.Middle and high school kids are in the learning process and make serious reckless mistakes and do dumb things. Why would you want 2 or 3 of them armed or any of them for that matter?

    • JC

      A lot of High School kids are of age to go to Iraq. I guees they just have them wash dishes over there…

  • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

    Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, “What a maroon”. Kids with NRA provided and/or approved firearms training as youth hunters/target shooters comes immediately to mind. Or don’t you believe the oldest civil rights organization in America, the one that trains almost all of the federal, as well as many state and local law enforcement instructors is good enough to train your “Little Johnny or Susie” in safe firearms handling? “Be Prepared” is not a part of your psychic make up, eh? At the risk of repeating myself, this is what I posted to “Ron” way back at the beginning of this “Thread”(? I’m still learning the conventions and terms of this medium): “Ron, Please look up the histories of say just NAZI Germany and, even earlier, Communist Russia and her fledgling Soviet Union, Castro’s Cuba, or the People’s Republic of China for just a few examples that come immediately to mind. Look up the violent crime statistics in just England and Australia alone, while comparing say 10 years before and 10 years after their abolition of almost all privately owned firearms. then get back to me. You have every God given right to choose to wait for the Gendarmes to arrive to save you and your family’s lives, after you finally get through to 911. You do not, however, have the right to choose that almost certain death for me and mine.”

    • denniso

      Soviet Russia, Castro’s Cuba and even Red China were/are safer than
      we are from everyday violence. If guns make a safe society,then why in hell are we one of the most violent countries in the first world??
      Answer…guns DON’T make a society safer. A proliferation of guns throughout society means also that any criminal who wants one can get one. It becomes a sort of arms race,’good’ guys w/ guns and ‘bad’ guys w/ bigger guns and more of them and more willing to use them than your average sane citizen. Look at our history w/ guns and learn that the NRA is a money making front for the gun/ammo industry that is raking in billions spreading the ‘armed citizen’ lie and myth…
      Our innocent children and others pay the bloody price every day. Sick….

      • http://?? Joe H.

        denniso,
        do you honestly believe if they ban handguns tha the crooks won’t be able to get them??? Are you that naieve??? You can get guns in just about any big city if you know who to contact and believe me, the crooks do! most of those guns have never seen a record book at all and they aren’t American made either, unless it’s South American!!!
        Go talk to someone at the state police or ATF. They will talk to you if you ask! Educate yourself by something other than the Alinski handbook some time!!!

      • denniso

        Murder rates in England and Australia are below ours…just like every
        other first world country is below us. Are our hundreds of millions of guns helping? This week a 4 yr old kid killed himself playing w/ a gun in the house. Is that how we are so well protected? Thousands of kids killed a year in this great country.

        • JC

          That is a patent lie. Australia’s crime rates shot through the roof after gun confiscation. By about 300%. Rape, home invasion, muggings AND murder rates are up…WAY up!
          Whereas the state of Florida, the first to introduce Concealed Carry saw their crime rates drop 36%, ahead of the national average of 4%.

          • denniso

            Unlike you, I look things up…Australia’s murder rate is about 1.5 per 100,000…ours is something like 5.5 per ioo,ooo…more than 3 times the rate. You can research it,you know,before you shoot your mouth off.

          • JC

            With or without guns? You moron control freaks spin everything to exert control over others. The murder rate without guns is WAY higher.
            And do know why mental midget? Because people can not defend themselves. They are wide open to criminals who are bigger and stronger who can beat them to death with a club or stab them to death…and they can not defend themselves. No statistics ANYwhere
            will show that a disrmed society is safer.

          • denniso

            Can’t you think clearly enough to wonder why we lead the ‘civilized’ world in murder rates and yet have the most guns and most lax gun laws in the western world? I know it requires a little thought and not just angry reaction,but can’t you at least try,instead of just ranting?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            dennisso, then look up the murder rate in Chicago a city that has a gun ban!!!

  • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

    Addendum: I also posted this to Ron as well: “God. You are a fool. In grade school, I had a teacher who looked like Wally Cox (who played “Mr. Peepers” on TV). One day, while lining up after recess, one of us noticed a bulge in his right hand jacket pocket (remember when male teachers routinely wore jackets and female teachers wore dresses?) and asked him what it was. He pulled out his snub nosed colt Detective Special in .38 S&W Special Caliber and showed it to us. We were amazed, curious and pleased, all at the same time. funny thing about it was, nobody felt intimidated, frightened or in danger because of that. In fact, we all felt safer. Nobody called the authorities, the school nor took their children out of school because of it. He suffered no negative consequences whatsoever. Neither did we. Of course, this was in the late 40’s, so I guess we’re much more violent as a species now than we used to be shortly after WW II.”

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Myron,
      Don’t laugh but coming home from war does have a peacful effect on some. This is because you KNOW that if you really have no choice and you HAVE TO kill someone, there is no doubt you can!!!

  • http://publius-publius2008.blogspot.com Publius

    I dream of a day when a thug walks into a convenience store, whips out a pistol and demands the clerk give him all the money in the till. He is then mowed down by shots from five different sources, all armed customers who were in the store to buy something.
    There are places where that could happen. Look them up, they are the areas with the lowest crime rate. The right to own and bear arms should be no more difficult to obtain than a driver’s license.

    • denniso

      Pub…what a sick ‘dream’. In your fantasy story no one gets killed in a crossfire? Just like in a pathetic John Wayne or Clint Eastwood
      movie, only the bad guy gets killed,right? All the citizens are expert
      marksmen and not prone to panic or bad aim…I suppose in your ‘dream’ there is also no blood. Just like the movies.
      You really trust anyone at all to be able to handle a gun well and not shoot the wrong guy? A 75 yr old little old lady or man w/ poor eyesight and shaking hand?? You’re out of your mind w/ your simplistic ‘dream’.
      AND, New York City is one of the safest in the world and it has very strong gun laws…you’re making up stats about gun laws and safety.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Do you have any idea how many crimes never get reported in NYC??? People there that live in the city are very aware of their surroundings as they are scared!! I have friends there that are saving up and will move just as soon as they can! They don’t want to spend one more day in that city than they have to! they are worried about their little 8 year old boy and 10 year old girl. When they have the funds to move they will never look back!! I even offered to lend it to them and they don’t want to take advantage of our friendship. I have another idea and if it works, they will be out of there!!!

        • JC

          Good on ya Joe.

    • JC

      The NRA’s American Rifleman magazine publishes details of armed citizens stopping crimes in every issue. Naturally the Government controlled media won’t print that side of things.

      • denniso

        You’re sounding more like Limbaugh every day. Is Fox News gov’t run? I don’t hear anything from them. Of course there are a few cases where a homeowner uses a gun to stop a robber,but many more cases of mass shootings and kids killed w/ guns.

        • JC

          Up yours Commie.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Can I get a big AMEN on the commie???

        • denniso

          Old children…

          • http://?? Joe H.

            And young libbie PUKES or PUNKS!!!

  • http://personallibertydigest sharon

    Instead of delving into the gun laws, it would be much more advantagous to look into the pharmasitical industry that is pushing the drugs that cause the episodes of children murdering others.

  • http://PERSONALLIBERTYDIGEST ANDREA66

    DO NOT PARENTS TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT THEIR CHILDREN ARE

    DOING OR DO THEY NOT REALLY KNOW WHAT THEIR CHILDREN ARE UP TO AND WHAT

    STATE OF MIND THEIR CHILDREN HAVE PROGRESSED TO. IS NO ONE MINDING

    THE HOME AND FAMILY? THE INNER BEING HAS FREE-WILL TO ACT NOT THE

    WEAPON DESIGNED FOR DEFENSE OF SELF AND OTHERS. BLOOD, GUTS, GOD, &

    GUNS ACQUIRED OUR LIBERTY IN THESE US OF AMERICA.

  • Warrior22

    Firearm ownership is a simple question easily answered. Why? Because an armed people can never be forced or overcome. Why guns? Because criminals and government have them no matter what’s legal or not legal, and their is no more effective weapon than a firearm. You don’t bring a knife to a gun-fight and you don’t ever hear about people trying to mug/rob cops (because they will shoot your theiving behind). Why do we (The People) need them? Because “good guns” keep back bad guns.
    Why do we all need to own them? So that we ALL never have to use them. It’s a simple rule of war and strategy, if you don’t know if you can win the odds, don’t attack; “good guns” keep the odds even.

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