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Value Voters Choose Paul; Romney, Perry Get Personal

October 11, 2011 by  

Value Voters Choose Paul; Romney, Perry Get Personal

The Values Voter Summit in Washington, D.C., over the weekend gave Mitt Romney and Rick Perry further opportunity to continue their headline sparring match, shifting focus from jobs and the economy to Romney’s Mormonism.

Headlines since the Values Straw Poll have heavily focused on a single moment when megachurch preacher Robert Jeffress introduced Perry by criticizing Romney’s faith.

“Mormonism is not Christianity,” he said, according to The Washington Post. “It’s not politically correct to say, but Mormonism is a cult.”

Though most headlines are focusing on Perry and Romney, the actual results of the poll tell a different tale, one that says voters — even evangelical Christian voters — are more worried about real issues than about where their candidate chooses to worship.

Ron Paul won the Value Voters Straw Poll by a comfortable 37 percent. He was followed by Herman Cain with 23 percent and Rick Santorum with 16 percent. The other candidates earned only single-digit percentages. Romney garnered only 4 percent of attendees’ votes, and Perry won only 9 percent of the vote.


Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • Dennis

    The “neutral” press and honchos of the republican party continue to work desperately to have a moderate republican to run against Obama. Conservatives need to remember how that went in 2008.

    The press wants Romney for the candidate against Obama. With him they would be assured the country would not move very far to the right. However, it isn’t working so good. Romney continues to lead or be close to leading, but his percentages in the polls is not increasing. When someone new like Perry shows up the press goes wild trying to make him the choice since Romney probably can’t win the nomination. Then soon it turns out his stripes become known, the conservatives reject him, and he fades away.

    The end game is what is important. At some point some of the conservative candidates will start dropping out. Their supporters will go to other conservatives, not Romney. Romney will finally fade and we will nominate a conservative from the republican party whether the press or party honchos like it or not. That conservative will win the election along with a flood of senators and representatives, and we will start the process of taking our country back. Conservatives need to stay true to the finish.

  • Liberty Minded

    Notice how the media focuses on the Perry and Romney contraversy instead of the Ron Paul win by a good strong percentage. This shows he even resonants with the Christian right. He is the only true choice in 2012!!





    • Bob Livingston


      Yes, liberty is a radical concept, isn’t it? You write that you will vote for Cain unless something detrimental in his character shows up. How about this?

      Or this?

      Best wishes,

    • Fred

      I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints known to some as Mormons, which is a nickname relating to a prophet
      who lived in the Western hemisphere the place where Jesus OTHER SHEEP lived at the time. For more true information about The Church
      visit or which is a particularly good place to meet
      many LDS (another nickname) who share their lives and views.

      WILLFULL DISOBEDIANCE, thereafter to be judged appropriately. As a Church, as do some other Christian Churches, we believe in The Holy
      Trinity and state plainly that God The Father is a distinct and separate being from Jesus Christ as stated in The Book of Mormon, another Testament of Jesus Christ, written for all the world
      to help solidify their faith in Jesus Christ in gaining a thorough
      understanding of how to return to live again in the presence of
      Our Heavenly Father (Eloheim) and Jesus Christ (our Saviour)

      Please, any reading this, dismiss the erroneouse notion that Mormons are not Christians. Name me one other Church bold enough to declare HIS wonderful name to the world as THE NAME OF HIS CHURCH.
      This error highlights one of the major problems of this generation,
      refusing to investigate either out of laziness or just repeating an untruth stated by another.

      Most members of my Church find Romney’s ideas way too liberal. Myself,
      I like Ron Paul’s dogged determination to follow The Constitution, a
      MIGHTY VOTE IN HIS FAVOR. He simply does not crumble under pressure
      and can be depended upon to vote his conscience, never wavering.

      We need such a leader at this time.


      • Everyday Politics

        Please do a web search on Christian Creed if you want to know what most Christians regard as AUTHENTIC Christianity. Then, if you have the courage and the time, compare this traditional definition to the beliefs expressed in the above post. Then, you will have your answer by the application of your own THINKING and REASON. I don’t like the word “cult” because I think it is disrespectful and derogative. But, if the shoe fits wear it.

        • Fred

          I don’t wish to bash religious ideas and differences here with anybody
          only to point out who the Mormons really are and what they really
          believe. As was stated we must gather the evidence ourselves and after
          finding and reasoning and praying then going to the source, who
          is Jesus Christ, and earnestly pray for your answer. He will give
          you the correct answer if you do your own earnest search.

          It really doesn’t matter what anyone’s ideas of what the true Christian creed is as that is only an opinion. What matters is
          to be right since eternal consequences will follow.
          I love this forum because Bob Livingston gives us the knowledge
          and then the opportunity to express our views.


        • DaveH

          What is a “cult”, Everyday? It’s any religion other than your own.
          I’ve known Mormons and I’ve known other Christians. I’ll take the Mormons on average over the rest.

        • Christin


          We are a nation with Religious Freedom (for now) and we who have similar Moral Values and Conservative Beliefs should ban together against the REAL enemy… anything evil that threatens to take our Freedoms, Liberties, Rights granted by God and force Godless Dictatorships on us, starvation, poverty, and germ warfare and eugenics to the people.

          Better to have a Mormon (but not RINO liberal Romneycare)in the WH than the current Muslim.

    • Coggin

      Herman Cain is not a conservative. He has many negatives that are not being discussed.

    • Padda

      It amazes me how people who make comments about Mitt Romney not being a Christian and Mormons not believeing in God etc flow so freely when the facts are so easy to determine. Mormons DO believe in God. They believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God, and that he died to atone for all our sins.Christians, Jews, other religions and non-believers in anything alike.

      As for Mormons not being Christian!!!! The correct name of the church is “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints”. The Mormon tag became popular because it is simple and because…along WITH THE BIBLE they believe that The Book of Mormon, named after an early prophet, became much easier to say than “members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

      I know that Mormons ARE Christians, I have been one for 54 years,
      Padda Spaans

  • steve in AZ

    “Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.” Barry Goldwater

    If Ron Paul is a “little radical” for some folks, please consider how radical the socialist doctrine has been gently massaged down your throats under the current DC regime of gangsters. A little more arsenic each day will not kill you. It will ruin your health and addict you, but not kill you – as long as it’s just a small amount more each day. Or, until the supply is suddenly cut off. You may think “It’s not so bad” as each day you receive just a bit more social arsenic – read: government encroachment in individual rights and liberties under the guise of “helping you” – but your quality of life will continue to inexorably decline.

    It’s those who stand on the railroad tracks of existence and deny the reality of the approaching train that get run over – and who are responsible for the state we’re in. The proclaimed libs and lefties would be no problem to defeat if they weren’t joined by those who believe it’s possible to be a little bit pregnant. Damn the business leaders and populace in this country who have accepted totalitarian rule one small bit at a time, thinking “to get along you go along” and who do so in order to be “allowed” to make another worthless dollar, at the expense of all our liberties. Our business leaders at one time were strong and independent rugged individualists worthy of their profits – rather than whining groveling strictly self serving compromisers who want only to further their particular scam – started with government secured loans and furthered by government subsidies.

    “A little radical”? Keep standing on the tracks, Gerrie- also known as the middle of the road.

    DONATE NOW so you can VOTE RON PAUL 2012, Americans!!!

  • Realist

    I continue to look to Doctor Paul as a possible candidate because the rest are subject to be led astray by lobbyists. Mr Cain has been a part of the “system” by working under the auspices of the Federal Reserve bank and a “banker” has been a systemic part of our economical downfall.

    Lobby influences have always corrupted all good intentioned candidates and officials alike and Ron Paul has proven himself to be “clean” and he has the most potential to beat the Obama administration.

    Perry, no chance, Romney had no chance to beat McCain last go around and McCain lost to Obama. Herman Cain is interesting in his views but he has not convinced me that he could sustain his ambitions to carry out his 9-9-9 plan without escalating all this to a higher rate thereby creating a European /Canadian tax model With VAT, GET, GST etc. which gets even worse as time progresses along.

    Ron Paul’s policies are straight forward, honest, and doable to make this country free and independent again. Unless Cain can effectively explain and disavow ties to the Federal Reserve and assure the future middle class that taxes will be truly fair, my direction is still with the “good” doctor. His main weakness has been taking the time to explain thoroughly his views is the eyes of the media. It is the media that keeps him ignored and the media is continually wishing he would disappear.

  • J.Moore

    Do you remember Ross Perot?

    He was the 1st to really shake up the 2-Party-System since their consolidation. Whom also happened to be a Texan ! The Media at the time simply did not cover him, accept during the debates where he totally dominated,because even then the media was to well subsidized by the 2-Party ran government.
    Ron Paul, as Ross Perot, has done magnificently in communicating to the American People “Who We Really Are”. Neither of theses men are the Father of the Tea Party. That title forever goes to our Founders. Yet they are Bastions of the same light and very likely have kept that light shining as so many have throughout the years to this time, here in the 21st Century when a Revival of “Born-Free-Americans” awaken to restore America to her Beautiful and Sovereign beginnings.
    It’s said too often, that for those who forget history are doomed to repeat it’s mistakes… It works both ways, because also, those who forget history are doomed also to forget how things were done right… Ron Paul is one of us that remembers how they were done right , so do not allow yourself to get hung-up in the symantics of medium biases in a world of Political Correctness. Get Hung-Up in the Freedoms that our Founders had fought for and gave for us, their children’s, children’s, children… Because looking around, it doesn’t seem like we as a nation have much further to fall from the tree…

    • s c

      J, bringing up Ross Perot and a handful of spare change might get you a cup of coffee at a bag-it-and-drag-it, but it won’t make any points on this website. I don’t say that to be overly pointed, BUT if you will recall, Perot got into the race and then found a reason to back out of the race. THEN got back into the race. He screwed himself, and gave many people plenty of good reasons NOT to trust people who claim to be conservatives but don’t stick to their principles. So where is Perot now?
      Hopefully, Paul and Perot are polar opposites, when it comes to serving a purpose in politics. People like Perot may belong in business. Perot disgraced himself and his followers. I wasn’t a Perot follower, but I did get to listen to him talk at a local university. I wasn’t wowed, though he did have some good points.
      Thankfully, Perot is history, and won’t dare to make another spectacularly stupid mistake. If Paul sticks to his principles, he has a chance. Perot . . . blah.

  • 45caliber

    The MSM would LOVE to see either Romney or Perry go up against Oblama because they believe either of these two would fail. That’s why they keep talking about them being the only race of imporatance among the GOP contenders.

    Actually, neither, to my way of thinking, is a viable candidate. Take the poll results listed here for example. Neither did very well so why is the MSM still pushing them?

    • Elevenarrows

      I agree with 45 caliber…but then, I usually do! When it comes to choosing a presidential candidate, I have found that a good rule to follow is to NOT consider ANYONE the media promotes. Seriously, with the media’s track record, one is quite safe to simply ignore any candidate the media pushes, praises, and gives excessive interest to. Especially helpful is to purposefully consider any candidate that the media says cannot win…or that the media ridicules. The MSM hates our country’s values and always promotes a Bilderberg or CFR or Tri Lateral-sponsored candidate. I look for consistent, sacrificial allegiance to the Constitution…Ron Paul is not perfect, but he is certainly consistently and sacrificially devoted to our Constitution.

    • Christin


      I think Ruling elites and TPTB know RINO Romneycare and ‘Sanctuary state for illegals’ Perry are not the Conservatives’ choice… some of us have gotten smart to see how they prop certain candidates up in the media and know they are going to be bad for America, SO… they are shouting praises for “I worked for the state FED” Herman Cain, now.

  • http://Boblivingstonletter Lyle McDaniel

    Forget being a team player. Look at what the republican party is trying to knead us into. With the Media behind the whole play.If the GOP can keep us focused on the two main contenders , Romney and Perry and their bickering about their religion and govenor histories , that means nothing in the long run anyhow, they can keep the more capeable common sense contenders behind the scenes. That schoolboy bickering just shows how inmature they really get.The real strong ones do not have to try daily to convince you how important they really are. The ones that are common sense , mature in speach and action are not the leaders in showmanship for ratings. The Media figures they can handle whom ever is the winner.We must get the most capeable conservative in the ring or possibly face 4 more of the American demolition

  • Meg

    Herman Cain has my vote. I believe he is the only one who can beat Obama. I also believe that he loves America and will do his best to save this country.

    • greg

      cain has flipped flopped on thr fed and raising the debt ceiling supported tarp and i do not trust anyone connected to the federal reserve see the american dream nightmare

    • DaveH

      Elect Herman Cain for more of the same. Big Government that is.

    • Jason

      Meg: Why do you believe Herman Cain is the only one who can beat Obama? Obama would tear Squirmin’ Herman up in a debate… Why? Because Herman Cain has a really bad history of being wrong.

      ONE WEEK before the collapse, Herman Cain says the economy is great!

      How is it that former FED Chairman Herman Cain was unable to foresee the Housing bubble?

      Then Herman went on to support TARP.

      Herman Cain also said the Federal Reserve is completely transparent and they had no secrets. He said he was against an audit of the Fed.

      Herman Cain is a joke.

  • Royal

    With all that I’ve heard and read, I too will vote for Herman Cain.

    * To Bob Livingston for his reply to Gerrie Flicker – -
    I’d read the two articles you referred to before and questioned the veracity, mindset, and spin of the author then, as well as now, since you remind us of it.

    Since you clearly are SELLING Ron Paul, what can/will you share with us about your own character (for creedence) that might convince us about YOUR GOOD INTENTIONS ?

    For the sake of clarity, what do you say is THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE for considering the next POTUS ?

    Hint: There are many important issues facing America simultaneously, but for this legal American (Native) citizen (me), one issue stands above the rest.

    For even more clarification of your worldview, would/will you elaborate your honest opinion of mormonism ?

    FYI – I agree with R. Paul on many things.

    • Bob Livingston

      Dear Royal,

      You write: “Since you clearly are SELLING Ron Paul, what can/will you share with us about your own character (for creedence) that might convince us about YOUR GOOD INTENTIONS ?”
      I will try to answer your question, although I’m not completely sure I understand what you are asking. I am not “selling” Ron Paul. I have indicated that he has been the lone statesman in Congress for many years. He is the only candidate who understands liberty and has been consistent in adhering to the Constitution while he has been in office. I will continue to promote Ron Paul because I believe his election is the only chance we have of staving off a complete collapse of the system… and I’m not certain that it’s not already too late even if he’s elected. Anyone who listens to the other contestants in the GOP beauty contest will learn that they will all support the status quo, which is unsustainable.

      You ask: “what do you say is THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE for considering the next POTUS ?” The answer is an understanding of the Constitution and liberty and sound money and a pledge to return our nation to Constitutional governance. Those are the foundation upon which the solution to all the nation’s ills can be built.

      You ask: “For even more clarification of your worldview, would/will you elaborate your honest opinion of mormonism ?” I will not comment on another’s beliefs, as that is between him, his conscience and his god. As for me, I practice first Century Christianity as outlined in the New Testament. I believe there is one Christ, one Holy Spirit and one God, and they are the Godhead. I believe there is but one doctrine, the New Testament, and any other is a false doctrine as Paul writes in Romans 16, I Corinthians 3 and II Corinthians 11. I do not belong to any denomination as they are created by man—these are not my words, but God’s: “For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not mere men? What then is Apollos? And what is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, even as the Lord gave opportunity to each one. I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth. So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth. Now he who plants and he who waters are one; but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor. For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, God’s building.” I Cor. 3:4-9 NASB.

      Best wishes,

  • Jackie Retell

    As somebody,who escaped communism from occupied Czech republic[for second time by then Russion 1968],i have been watching and listening to this administration.right from the very start and it is so clear what their plan for this country is.I just wish,that everybody,specialy the young people[like i was in twenties]had the chance to live in that so called equality system,because trust me it is not.It is the privileged[like the Obama's,their money buddies and the system kissers-used to be the red book] who will do very well and and the rest WILL work.You can be smart or dumb and lazy and you will get same reward.So it is very refreshing to read” steve in AZ”,who has total grasp on the situation now.I just hope,that there is millions of us out there,so we can stop this train wreck and throw them all out.My former little country did it,we still have a chance to prevent it.

    • DaveH

      Thanks, Jackie, for a very good comment.

  • Bill Wright

    I would not vote for cain because of his fed connections,and also becausehe has flip-flopped on several issues.That leaves Romney,Perry,and Ron paul..(the same line up we had the last time around)Reminds me of the three Stooges.God help the Rep,Party,its going to need it.Of course anythimgs better than what we have now..(???)

    • DaveH

      We have what we have now because people like Romney, and Perry, and Cain built the infrastructure (Big Government) that Obama is using to wreck our country.
      Ron Paul and Gary Johnson (who?) are the only Candidates with the right tools to bring our country back from the abyss.
      Anybody who considers Ron a stooge just plain doesn’t have a clue. It is akin to saying Thomas Jefferson was a stooge.

  • Stunned at sunset

    You know, guys and gals: I didn’t even know Ron Paul had won until I opened the Personal Liberty Digest to read this very news this morning! I sat through 40 minutes of prime time news trying to find out how my hero, Dr. Paul, was doing and all they had to report was the bigoted slander of that “little man” who was reported to be some famous Christian Cleric, and the off-hand and ignorant-as-hell comments of both Romney and Perry as Romney defended his origins and Perry suggested that things might not be as they seem.

    It is good to hear that the message is finally SINKING IN! I don’t want to have to vote for another “Cyborg” thought-slave, Manchurian Candidate in 2012. I want a real human being that expresses real human values and the only one that has done that is Ron Paul. ‘Nuff said.

  • chuckb

    we are being maneuevered by the republican hiearchy to nominate romney. is this what we need in the white house? i don’t think so. romney is an empty suit and very liberal. perry has destroyed himself with the immigration problem. ron paul will never be nominated with his stance on drugs and foreign policy. who knows what cain can do, he sounds good, however, so did barry at first. sarah palin proved that she is a quitter. so what’s left. newt gingrich is the most knowledgeable and experienced, however, has baggage. the rest are not worth mentioning.

    • DaveH

      So we should just keep on with the perpetual wars so the defense industry can make more money?
      And the futile Drug Wars which should never have been allowed at all by anybody who studied the effects of Prohibition?
      For those who care to think a little:

  • Everyday Politics

    Do you need more proof that the main stream media is FAIL?

  • Cep

    When People run for office,they should stop all this mud slanging crap and just get down to the issues thst face the nation,It just goes to show out low these people can get,after all, this does not emprove,nor help those issues that need to be dealt with.Picking on Romney Becauce of his relgion,was a VERY BAD Shot for perry side,because the constitutiion states that we have a right to choose our form of relgion,Someone running for President(in his,or Her right mind)should know better than that.These types of things should never enter into the debates at all.Maybe WE should ask perry how many jobs he gave to his”friends,”(even fanily)Since he’s be governor.Or maybe what church he goes to(If any)so some one can slap him around alittle.And flip flop Romney is on his second try,talking about the same olsd crap he talked about last time,and when i say FLIP FLOP I mean FLIP FLOP.Both of thses so called Canidates Gets a no vote FROM YOURS TRULY,aLL i’LD LIKE TO SAY TO THEM is “,jUST STICK WITH THE ISSUESS,AND Grow THE HELL UP”

  • AntiPoliticsConservative

    This is the best idea I have seen in a long time!!!
    This is bipartisan in nature and is going to both Democrat and Republican. We should all seriously consider helping with the change suggested below. This is something I will fight for and I hope you will too. This is short so please read it all the way through and then forward. You will be glad you did.
    The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only 3 months & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it. That was in 1971…before computers, before e-mail, before cell phones, etc.

    Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took 1 year or less to become the law of the land…all because of public pressure.

    Congressional Reform Act of 2011

    1. No Tenure / No Pension.
    A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.

    2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security. All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.

    3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.

    4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

    5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

    6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.

    7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/12. The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

    If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people then it will only take three days for most people (in the U.S. ) to receive the message. Maybe it is time.


    If you agree with the above, pass it on.

  • AUMom

    As much as I like Ron Paul on other issues, I cannot vote for any candidate that promotes abortifacients. I belive in the sanctity of human life at each stage of development.

    • Bob Livingston

      Dear AUMom,

      I have addressed you and your lies about Ron Paul before.

      For the truth about Ron Paul’s position on abortion, go here:

      Best wishes,

  • Alvin

    WE NEED herman Cane as our next PRESIDENT…HIS 9/9/9 PLAND WILL
    help the counthry..He Makes a lot of good coman sence HERMAN cANE. THE BEST CHOICE FOR US PRESIDENT.

  • beacon

    As the economic vise squeezes, American people, more and more will turn to Ron Pauls solution. “No pain no Gain” If you are FED up with the Money Masters, bring the troops home, common sense should tell us it will save trillions of $$$$ , it will. FED up, join the revolution, RON PAUL 2012.

    I am a Canadian looking from the outside in.

    Sorry, you have no other solution.

    • DaveH

      Well, there is Gary Johnson, but he has been effectively silenced.

  • David P.

    I will not vote for Herman Cain he flip flops.Besides that he is an know ,like the ones that worked for chrysler and chevrolet and the wonderful bankimg system,who lined their pockets with millions,while their companys went to hell?,Sorry The president I pick is going to have a lot more than that going for himself,than what H. Cain’s got .But it might be intresting to see how much dirt comes out about him.Example:His fed Connection.

  • Books

    Politcal Books is somthing I nver buy,and Herman Cains book is no exception.Their books are not just about politics,their purpose is to make money.To be honest about it,when you do read one of these books,you don’t how much is the truth and how is b.s..I have to agree with David P.Cain will not get my vote either.

  • beacon

    Religion is man made, Spirituality, God given.

    Time to open your hearts to the sons of God, God, which has given the breath of life, to, “All”.

    Periodicaly, God sends a man of wisdom, to help in troubled times. You have a choice.

    RON PAUL, 2012

    • http://naver samurai

      I thought there was one one Son of God, Jesus. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Tylar T.

    Cain will not get my vote , hes been put there by the same people that gave us Obomba.first time aroundSHAME ON THEM,Second time around SHAME ON US. I mean how many times do you need to screw up before you learn your lesson?

  • T,I think all and Handsume,

    Cain is a Real phony,and would not make any kind of President,Ron Paul might be okay,(ROmney,or Perry(the dynamic Due )Will not be getting my vote thats for sure right along with Cain.Maybe we can get Trazan to run next time,instead of his Monkey.

  • Gman

    I had heard that 600 Ron Paul supporters showed up cast their vote and then left. Thus making this poll worthless.

    • Gman

      To further clarify, out of the 1400 or 1600 total votes this tilted this playing field. For what its worth…

    • DaveH

      I have heard that the establishment mercantilistic Republicans will do anything to stop a Free Marketer from getting the nomination. How can they buy votes if they can’t give freebies to their Crony Capitalists in exchange for campaign funds?

  • http://yahoo Fred Hammel

    I have two points, First; The Tea Party got it start with Ron Paul running to be President in 2008. Second ; Who is the Tea Party, the private sector the only real tax payers. Government employees make up 55 percent of Americas workforce(fed.,state, county, cities, and all school districts), they have unions and Congress to protect them. We in the private sector have NOBODY to protect us except for the Tea Party. This is the main reason government does like the Tea party, they do not like being told what to do. Question; Would a man working in the private sector making 20 dollars per hour, hire a servant and pay him 80 dollars per hour, because this is what we are doing with government employees.It is called a DEFICIT spending . When you add up their salaries, holidays, health care, and other benefits, then add their early retirement ,which starts the day they retire. We in the private sector can’t retire till we are 62 and older , unless we are lucky enough to work for a corporation .

  • Rhea
  • Bill wright

    I agree withyou on that Fred,The Goverment has been sucking us dry for the last fifty+years,its time to cut those people out of our Goverment,Next time we vote rember this crap.

  • David

    That may or may not be true.GMan,But thats how the game is somtimes Played,Take for instances Obamba And ACORN,during the last election.putting phony votes into ballot boxes.Why the hell vote at all if thats was going to happen.The goverment islong over due for a big change , I think there is enough mad people out there ,This time,to make it happen.

  • David

    perhapse you should read what I printed again,and understand what I said ,DAvid H .IT seems like I called Ron P. a stooge Not thomas Jefferson.As far as that goes Thomas Jefferson didn’t quoite follow the constitution either when he made the Louisiana Purchase.And besides that,Ron Paul is not on the same level as Thomas Jerfferson,Then you say I don’t have a clue,maybe you don’t have one either.

  • James

    Is the Editor adding comments ????

    • Bob Livingston

      Dear James,

      I’m not certain what you are asking? I do make comments from time-to-time, if that is what you mean.

      Best wishes,

      • James

        I’m not the ‘James’ who wrote this. I’m the constitutional, biblical ‘James.’ I didn’t know what he meant either.

  • CEp

    I have to agree with David ,I don’t think Ron Paul,Or Cain would be a very good President.AS FAR AS rON Paul being a stooge that could be anyones guess.(He dioes look a little like Larry,)God Bless America.

    • James

      If Ron Paul was six feet tall, two hundred pounds, and walked like John Wayne, would you vote for him then, Pilgrim?

  • Dan P

    I would like to know,David H why you compared Jefferson to Ron Paul,Their very FAR from being on the same page.Then you tell some one else they don’t have a clue?Buddy I think you are to read some history before you start making comments to others about them having no clue .I agree with Bill Wright ,Wright-Your right!!!,(yes Cep,he does looklike Larry,only with shorter hair.

  • Dan P

    P.S. neither Ron Paul nor Cain will be getting my vote

  • Cep

    It would depend on hoqw much of that six foot two hunderd pounds was bulls____!!!

  • Tim D.

    Ron paul comes across like another Jimmy Carter-Sorry no Vote from me.

  • Glen Xx

    For the record, RON Paul will get my vote and some $$ for the cause.

    Ron Paul best record
    Michelle B. Good but lacks experience
    Newt G, the Minni RINO

    Hemi McCain, willard the rat Romney and Scarry Pery three RINOs not the three stooges, at least the stooges were funny.

    Three more candidates not listed because they have no $$$ and no traction.

    That is the field two patriots and four RINOs My message to the establishment. NO RINOs in Primary or General Election.
    Third Party before a RINO.

  • Bill Wright

    This is a free country.The main goal of the Rep.Party is to get rid of Obamba and ,Get someone in there that knows what the hell their doing.However the problem with that is;the Rep.don’t have a very good selection either.Maybe we could talk Honest Abe into finishing his second term.

  • Cep

    Either that or maybe talk G.Washington into runing for a third term.If not ,perhapse we could talk Curly Joe into runing,I’m sure he would fit in nicely with most of the Rep. canidates.

  • Betty Jo

    i will not vote for any of the candidates except Ron Paul. I will vote for a third party candidate first like the Constitution Party. I will vote my convictions even if I loose.


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