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USDA Cracks Down On Missouri “Crime” Family

May 25, 2011 by  

USDA Cracks Down On Missouri “Crime” Family

In yet another example of Federal tyranny, the U.S. Department of Agriculture has come down with both feet on a Nixa, Mo., family for selling rabbits in a business that began as a way to teach their son responsibility.

John Dollarhite, the owner of Dollarvalue Rabbitry, is facing a fine of $90,643 for selling 619 rabbits to individuals and businesses in southwest Missouri from April 3, 2008 to Dec. 21, 2009. The business, which Dollarhite considered as similar to a lemonade stand to benefit his son’s development, netted $200 profit during that time on the sale of rabbits at $10 to $12 each.

According to the blog Bungalow Bill’s Conservative Wisdom, a USDA agent visited the Dollarhite’s rabbitry in the fall of 2009 and pointed out two minor infractions — cages were a quarter-inch too small and there was a small rust spot on a feeder.

It was January 2010 before the Dollarhites again heard from the USDA. They learned an agent was asking about them at a local pet store, and then they got a call demanding a face-to-face meeting and advising they have an attorney present. During the meeting, the agent would say only that he was conducting an investigation. The Dollarhites asked the agent if the business needed to be certified, and the agent was nonresponsive.

Two months later, they called the USDA to inquire about the investigation. The USDA agent Dollarhite spoke to said: “Well, Mr. Dollarhite, I’ve got the report on my desk. And I’m just gonna tell you that, once I review it, it’s our intent to prosecute you the maximum that we can … We will make an example out of you.”

The Dollarhites didn’t hear from the agency again until they received the letter informing them of the fine last April. Their crime: They sold more than $500 worth of rabbits in a calendar year.

Dollarhite, who runs a local computer store, told the Springfield News-Leader: “I don’t have any money. It doesn’t matter if it’s $1,000 or $100 million. I don’t have it.”

Bungalow Bill writes that he believes the Dollarhites are being used as pawns by the USDA to give the agency more influence over the horse industry.

Hat Tip: Naturalnews.com

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • DaveH

    We’re from the Government, and we’re here to help you.

    • Cawmun Cents

      Thats duh Gubment.In case you didnt know.

      • Cawmun Cents

        And incidentally what the gubment dont know will hurt you……

        • Vigilant

          I become more dispirited with PLND every day. Instead of unbiased journalism, the short articles are now becoming skewed, incomplete, agenda-based and subjective. I am finding it necessary to go back to the original news reports to get the complete story.

          Inevitably, your readers swallow the story hook, line and sinker because they have trusted you to tell the truth. Then they go off on a tangent, some explosively so, and know not what they are saying. Am I the ONLY person who trusts but verifies your aticles?

          Case in point: the statement, “Their crime: They sold more than $500 worth of rabbits in a calendar year.” That statement is verifiably false, and if you want the whole story, go to http://www.news-leader.com/article/20110521/NEWS01/105210346/1007/Nixa-man-faces-penalty-over-90-000-rabbit-sales

          From the link:

          “A proposed settlement agreement from the federal agency, which oversees the sale of animals, said Dollarhite sold 619 animals from April 3, 2008 to Dec. 21, 2009, despite being told several times that he needed a license.

          “USDA spokesman Dave Sacks said the agency learned about Dollarhite after an inspector looking at a licensed facility found that some of the facility’s animals came from Dollarhite.

          “Sacks said licensed businesses are inspected regularly to make sure animals are properly cared for.

          “Animal welfare is at the heart of everything we do,” Sacks said. “So we consider it very serious when there is an activity regulated under the Animal Welfare Act that is being conducted without a USDA license.”

          Sacks said Dollarhite contacted a USDA office in March 2006, asking for a license application kit, which was sent to him. But Dollarhite said he didn’t ask for a license application until fall or winter of 2009, and that he’s never received it.”

          Now, would you say that story is substantially different from the one at the top of this page? I sure would.

          Mr. Livingston, please trust your readers with the whole truth, they can handle it. To do otherwise is simply a case of instigation and provocateurship.

          • Louie

            Now just why in the “hell” should he or anyone else need a license to operate a business. Why…oh yes for others to tax/tell them what to do with their lives. When I was growing up, you could sell/do anything as long as you didn’t physically harm anyone…now it’s control, control, control…tax, tax, tax. We no longer live in a free country…we now live in a police state & have been for many years.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Vigilant,

            No that is not “substantially different” from the story I wrote. I could have reprinted the whole story from the Springfield News-Leader and the blog I cited and written a 2,000 word story. I chose to deliver the salient facts in a shorter version. The takeaways are these: Why should the USDA be interfering with a family business in Missouri? Why should they be hit with a $90,000 fine for selling a few rabbits that by all accounts were healthy and well cared for? And why must Federal bureaucrats behave so thuggishly?

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Jim Biven

            Sir, I would say you spend entirely too much effort in believing the media reports that are written BY the government For the government. I won’t say anything in this article is any more accurate. I will say, if you believe the garbage put out by the media, you’re nuts.

          • karolyn

            Thank you Vigilant. I will certainly not trust Mr. Livingston as much anymore.

          • Vigilant

            Mr. Livingston,

            “Salient facts?” Such as the licensing requirements? Such as animal cruelty considerations? I’ll leave it to the readers to determine whether or not those are substantial differences.

            No sir, you could have mentioned those salient facts in two sentences without extending your article to 2,000 words. And the discussion thread that followed would not have been seriously impacted by the addition of those very pertinent facts. That you chose not to include those facts simply confirms my advice: trust your readers with the truth instead of attempting to channel the discussion in a way that is suitable to your small-government Libertarianism.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Vigilant,

            From the Springfield News-Leader : Dollarhite said he didn’t know he needed to be licensed. “There was nothing ever said that a license was required for a pet store to buy them,” Dollarhite said. “No one ever asked, ‘Are you USDA certified?’”

            Also from the Springfield News-Leader: Sacks said licensed businesses are inspected regularly to make sure animals are properly cared for.

            Make note that Dollarhite was not cited for improperly caring for the animals. He says that he asked the inspectors if he needed a license and they were non-responsive. Obviously we have conflicting stories about the conversations between Dollarhite and USDA fascists. I choose to believe Dollarhite. You choose to believe the fascists.

            If you choose to live in a land with a tyrannical government, that’s your prerogative. As for me, I will fight for freedom and a return to a small and less powerful government as outlined by our Constitution.

            You write: … attempting to channel the discussion in a way that is suitable to your small-government Libertarianism.

            Promoting small-government libertarianism is the purpose of this site. If that troubles you, feel free to troll the Huffington Post where you might find the conversation more to your liking.

            All the best,
            Bob

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Karolyn,

            Don’t appear so simple minded that you would suddenly “not trust” what appears here. Vigilant pointed out no discrepancies. He merely highlighted different facts of the story. Had I been trying to hide something I would not have cited sources and provided links with other sources.

            Don’t miss the takeaway: The USDA is an over-reaching, thuggish Federal bureaucracy working to stifle free enterprise and dictate all that we do.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • karolyn

            Bob – I still do believe that the USDA overreaches. Any discrepancies pointed out by Vigilant do not change that fact. However, I don’t have the time to check everything everyone writes and do appreciate when someone else does it and points out additional facts.

          • Vigilant

            Mr. Livingston, it gives me great pain to see that you’ve lost touch with the reality of my comments.

            I’m confident that you’ve seen my postings many times on this site, and to make the diversionary, gratuitous accusation of “If you choose to live in a land with a tyrannical government, that’s your prerogative” is completely irrelevant and you know it to be completely untrue. Those are Alinsky tactics, both intellectually dishonest and beneath the dignity of one who expects serious consideration.

            “Obviously we have conflicting stories about the conversations between Dollarhite and USDA fascists. I choose to believe Dollarhite. You choose to believe the fascists.” I “choose to believe the fascists?” Putting words in my mouth with this cheap fabrication hits a new low. Where did I say that?

            “Promoting small-government libertarianism is the purpose of this site. If that troubles you, feel free to troll the Huffington Post where you might find the conversation more to your liking.” Another gratuitous comment.

            What, sir, in my posting or previous postings have EVER led you to think I’m against small government? I’ll not let you channel this discussion into something it never was. It’s about journalistic honesty, not Libertarianism.

            I would expect a person of your stature to man up in a graceful way to your errors of omission. But, I’m sad to say, that is not the case. In the desperation of being caught, you’ve compounded the error by both making unwarranted insinuations about me, and outright lying (by accusing me of believing the fascists). That is something, sir, I will not stoop to.

          • Jazzabelle

            Will Mr. Livingston and Vigilant both please cut it out? There were NO material omissions in Mr. Livingston’s article. The fact is that there is NO LAW requiring real people to get any sort of federal license for just about anything, certainly not to sell rabbits (unless they’re selling across state lines). The FACT is that licenses are only required for businesses that choose to operate as federal agency trusts. There is NO law requiring that businesses be run this way. If the people in this article were selling rabbits on their own behalf, the feds have nothing to say about it. That’s current law. If you don’t understand or don’t believe me, do the study yourself. Eric Madsen at http://teamlaw.org can help.

          • libertytrain

            You’re right Karolyn, it’s nice to see additional information, what I found offensive from my reading is the way it was worded by vigilant, it came across very demeaning to the site and I lost respect for him. Rather than adding to the conversation it greatly diminished the conversation about the USDA.

          • Cawmun Cents

            You argue over words?A man has been inappropriately charged 90,000 dollars for basically selling rabbits?You are clearly not seeing the big picture here.It is government intrusion that is being spoken of.I am pretty certain(from years of watching them do it)that the press will support the government(slanting the story their way)in their story-telling. Vigilant,why would you attack based on the information(or lack thereof),and not on the content?It seems to me that if you were to apply that verve to the nightly news,you probably wouldnt ever have any time to do anything else.Thank you Mr. Livingston,for another repressive bureaucracy gone mad story.Eventually if you tell enough of them,maybe it will soak into some of these thick skulls,that we are actually over oppressed by the g-men.

          • Truthseeker

            I believe the truth is this; It isn’t about the rabbits. It’s all about control. More government control. If the rabbits are underfed or ill treated they will be much more difficult to sell. They would not have the vigour that well taken care of rabbits would have and the farmer would stand to lose money. I believe the real story is this; there is constant watch by paid government employees to control and regulate everything that is possibly imagined by anyone who wants to do anything to eak out a living. This is just another control, tax and intimidate theme that is now the norm in this police state we now live in. 200 years ago you could build a log cabin with no permit or license or permission from anyone as long as you did not infringe upon the life , liberty or property of another individual. Now, our founding fathers would be fined,attacked and jailed by government employees just like the one that decided to attack the guy raising rabbits. I personally could care less how he treated his rabbits! I don’t have a right to control that man’s behavior toward his rabbits. I believe the gov. emplyee who intimidated and attacked the rabbit farmer should be layed off and then have to go out into the world and find gainful employment in the private sector. I believe the attack on the rabbit farmer was also for the gov. employee to help justify his job. I sympathise with the rabbit farmer and wish there was something I could do to help him. I don’t want my tax money going to the gov. to do this sort of thing. When will my public servants in the government represent me? Truthseeker.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Vigilant,

            This is my last word on this matter.

            You ask where you said that you chose to believe the fascists?

            Look at your comment above where you pulled quotes from the USDA spokesthug. You did not include any of Dollarhite’s quotes on the licensing issue. From this I drew my conclusion. So if my COMMENTARY (which implies an opinion) was biased, then what was your response but biased in favor of the USDA thugocracy?

            You wrote: “’Their crime: They sold more than $500 worth of rabbits in a calendar year.’ That statement is verifiably false…”

            Your statement, sir, is the one that is verifiably false. The Dollarhites were charged with violating [C.F.R. § 2.1 (a) (1) “Any person operating or intending to operate as a dealer, exhibitor, or operator of an auction sale must have a valid license.” The threshold for becoming a dealer is $500 in sales in a calendar year.

            You write: I would expect a person of your stature to man up in a graceful way to your errors of omission.

            I made no errors of omission. I highlighted certain facts in the story and gave the readers the sources from which I pulled said facts. Your “gratuitous comments” (which I don’t think means what you think it means) “Instead of unbiased journalism, the short articles are now becoming skewed, incomplete, agenda-based and subjective. I am finding it necessary to go back to the original news reports to get the complete story. Inevitably, your readers swallow the story hook, line and sinker because they have trusted you to tell the truth. Then they go off on a tangent, some explosively so, and know not what they are saying. Am I the ONLY person who trusts but verifies your aticles?” are what prompted my response.

            Surely a man of your “vigilance” understands the difference between straight journalism and commentary. I don’t claim and have never claimed to be acting as a journalist with my postings here. I provide OPINION based on fact. Opinion is always agenda-based and subjective, and could be called “skewed” by those with a contrary opinion. My opinions are not “incomplete” as they are mine and mine alone. Plus, I cite the sources from which I take my facts.

            Have a good day,
            Bob

          • Kate8

            I’m with Mr. Livingston here. Regardless of the details, what this spells is that the government want total control of our lives.

            Vigilant, I don’t believe for one second that this has any bearing on animal cruelty concerns. If the gov’t cared about such things, they’d do something about the BIG animal producers, who engage in the most cruel, inhumane, barbaric treatment of animals that…well, stretches the imagination. Check it out.

            When I was a kid, we raised chickens and rabbits, and sold them, too. We bough raw mild from a neighbor. For heaven’s sake, we kids set up lemonade stands (!). No one though a thing about it…it was our right as human beings to do whatever we wished. There were no such “laws” to infringe on…didn’t need a license…

            We are being made into automatons, with no right to even personal thought. The truth about America is that it is one of the least free of all nations.

          • jibbs

            @ Bob Livingston,
            I agree with you Vigilant. Bob’s article says the USDA came to his Rabbit Buss. and found two small infractions, but there is no such wording in the News-Leader article. In the man’s own words, “he admits he didn’t know if he needed a license or not” he didn’t know? well he should have asked first, if he didn’t get an answer, call again!! duh, do your homework! Gee,I saw the stop sighn, but I didn’t know I had to stop your Honor. Ignorance is no excuse. We have a lot of problems here in Missouri with animal abusers, and I’m sure Dollarhite is well aware of it. By the way, I’ve seen lemonaid stands shutdown for the same reason, and they were run by little kids.

            ***Here’s the catch*** They were being sold as pets, and for meat by the pound, they were selling to a pet store for re-sale and they sold between 4,000 and 5,000 rabbits! They is a USDA licence required if you sell over 500 rabbits.
            So, the Dollarhite’s created their own problem, end of story.

          • jibbs

            P.S. I forgot to add, that the licence is required when selling to store that resells them.

          • Vigilant

            Mr. Livingston,

            This will be my last word.

            “You did not include any of Dollarhite’s quotes on the licensing issue.” I think you’d better go back and read my first posting. I did in fact do just that. Got anything to say?

            Then you say, “You wrote: “’Their crime: They sold more than $500 worth of rabbits in a calendar year.’ That statement is verifiably false…”

            “Your statement, sir, is the one that is verifiably false. The Dollarhites were charged with violating [C.F.R. § 2.1 (a) (1) “Any person operating or intending to operate as a dealer, exhibitor, or operator of an auction sale must have a valid license.” The threshold for becoming a dealer is $500 in sales in a calendar year.”

            YES INDEED! Thanks for proving my point, at last! It’s not about a pure dollar threshold, as your initial statement not just implies, but asserts. It’s about a LICENSING REQUIREMENT with a dollar threshold. The crime WAS NOT exceeding a dollar threshold, as you assert, the crime was, at long last you admit, failure to obtain a license. You cannot play with the English language and expect to keep clear thinking processes.

            You think I’m wordsmithing? Not by any means. I’m clarifying. The implication of your first statement is that government is citing a vendor for selling above a stated limit, which would indeed be an unwarranted and unconscionable intrusion into the free enterprise process. But it’s not the same as the government requiring licenses for vendors to conduct business. While that, too, is arguable to a great degree, it’s not by any means the same as limiting sales for the sake of limiting sales.

          • James

            There is only one way to see this. It is a person in a black leather coat with dark sunglasses on pulling up to a small business operator (little girl in a cool-aid, lemonade stand etc.), showing his badge and saying “SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS”. This is where we are heading make no mistake.

          • Vigilant

            libertytrain,

            Sorry to have lost your respect, but I admit I’ve never written with the intent of garnering anyone’s good opinion. I state facts, and when I find errors of fact (or omissions thereof), ON EITHER SIDE OF A QUESTION, I will always be there to hold the respondent accountable.

            My frustration with PLND has been some time coming. I’ve not caught Mr. Livingston in any direct misdirection until today, and never thought that his pride of authorship was so virulent as to blind him to errors. I’ve made errors of fact on this site a number of times, and I’ve always owned up to them with humility, not defended them to the death just because the words initially came out of my mouth.

            Within the last few months, I’ve caught major errors of omission in articles written under the byline the PL Newsdesk Staff.

            One may recall how I railed against the Westboro Baptist Church article because it failed to furnish a very vital piece of information: that the demonstration was out of sight and earshot of the funeral-goers, and that the father wasn’t even aware of it until he saw it on the news. This (most likely purposeful) omission of fact left the reader with the impression that the demonstrators were disrupting the funeral with in-your-face insults and other wackery. And indeed, that’s just what the postings indicated on this site until I discovered and reported the omission.

            On another occasion, PLND Staff tried to pawn off an article that purported to say that Fox News was suffering in the polls. An inspection of the poll revealed that, unlike the implications of the PLND article, FOX News had the HIGHEST ratings for trust amongst viewers than ANY other news outlet.

            We’ve all grown to expect subterfuge, selective use of facts, half-truths and outright prevarication on the part of the leftists. If we on the right are to employ those Alinsky tactics, we put ourselves in the same trench as the statists. We have history, fact and logic at our backs; our arguments can be won on that basis alone without resorting to tweakings or omissions of the facts to suit ourselves.

          • Kinetic1

            Vigilant,
            This is not the first article on this site to leave out information important to a balanced discussion and I doubt it will be the last. I commend you for asking the question “what’s missing here?”I have asked that same question many times before and found the same sort of exclusions, but few people on this site want to hear about it.

          • libertytrain

            I think perhaps you’re looking too hard to find fault and should find some other place to hang out. You’ve made a mountain out of nothing. If you seek what you identify as perfection I think you need to start your own site…. – good luck with that.

          • libertytrain

            My comment was for Vigilant and anyone else that seems to feel the need to denigrate rather than just share an opinion.

          • mikwilly

            When it all comes down to it, these are the key points that should have been noted. Did they have a small wholesale business? Yes. Did they know they needed a license? Not at first. When they did they get one. No. Did anyone ask them for a license? Doesn’t sound like it? Does the noted punishment fit the noted crime – not even close- it is way over kill.

            What should have happened? 1. When kid sells rabbits to store – store asks if he has licenses. If no license – kid and dad get one. Until then STORE does not buy rabbits. 2. USDA finds out about kid selling rabbits – checks out operation (an inspection)- if there are any infractions at the time of first write a warning and give a time frame for the infraction to be corrected – was this done – doesn’t sound like it. 3. USDA comes back to review to see if the infractions from original inspection were taken care of. If yes, case close, if note, then fine (not $90,000) the operation and set new date for infractions to be fixed. Did this happen? No. 4. USDA comes back if infractions are still not fixed and they are sever – close down operation – and arrest owners for animal abuse. Did this happen? There was no evidence of abuse.

            It does not sound like to me that the USDA handle the situation correctly – especially for such a small operation and that the punishment does not fit the crime which is not in line with our own constitution. Even if there were omissions from the article to the opinion piece – it does demonstrate our government run amok. If they can do this over rabbits, they bill do this over anything – garage sales, fresh veggies, teenagers who babysit – maybe even for their own relatives – they might have to get a license if they are to be paid, the kid who mows the lawns and shovels snows for the neighbors and local businesses.
            We are killing the entrepreneurial spirit in our youth and in our country and it is our country that is doing it. What does the $90,000 penalty rectify? All it does is take from a working American and give once more to our bloated Government so then can then give it to someone who is not working.

          • vicki

            Vigilant

            Bob is correct in the entireity of his opinion piece. He even warns the reader that
            “In yet another example of Federal tyranny, the U.S. Department of Agriculture has come down with both feet on a Nixa, Mo., family for selling rabbits in a business that began as a way to teach their son responsibility.”

            Unlike the common liberal Mr Livingston did provide (multiple) links to cites of his opinion so that we could read more. Those cites provided additional cites. None of which were necessary to substantiate Mr. Livingston’s opinion.

            That you Vigilant for adding another cite. It helps validate every part of Mr. Livingston’s opinion.

            Now let me ask you, Vigilant, Why do you want to live in slavery? I have read many of your posts here and you do seem conservative yet you choose to side with the king when he demands $90,000+ from a free person.

            Why do you think that a free people need to get permission of the king to buy and sell their property? What else is that license other than a permission slip from the tyrant. That the tyrant wears the initials USDA does not change the nature of the beast.

            This is the point of Mr. Livingston’s article. He made his point with cites.
            I, for one, shall continue to trust (but occasionally verify) many of the writers on this site.

            Notable exception for Mr. black. :) and most liberals who post comments here ;)

          • Vigilant

            vicki says, “Now let me ask you, Vigilant, Why do you want to live in slavery? I have read many of your posts here and you do seem conservative yet you choose to side with the king when he demands $90,000+ from a free person.

            “Why do you think that a free people need to get permission of the king to buy and sell their property? What else is that license other than a permission slip from the tyrant. That the tyrant wears the initials USDA does not change the nature of the beast.”

            With all due respect, you have made the same error that Mr. Livingston and some others have made today. In fact, you may be referring to Mr. Livingston’s own posting when he accused me of agreeing with the fascists. It just ain’t so, and I never said it.

            I am as much against the encroachment of government into our lives, perhaps more so, than many of the posters here. I was taking Mr. Livingston to task for not telling the whole story. For example, his URL cite is to an OPINION BLOG. My cite was more extensive with regard to the actual reasons for the fines.

            It was ONLY after I insisted that the infraction was of a licensing requirement, NOT a pure dollar threshold as Mr. Livingston claimed, that you or anyone else here put the discussion on the correct track.

            So, (1) kindly don’t accuse me of being a big government person, I am just the opposite, and (2) please excuse me when I detect a lack of pertinent facts (NOT semantics, not wordsmithing and not nit-picking) that giove a new meaning to the discussion thread.

          • DaveH

            Unbelievable Vigilant. That coming from the guy who went off on me because I dared to state the truth about Abraham Lincoln which offended your propagandized sensibilities.
            Does Bob Livingston need to hold your hand and explain every little detail so that it sinks in that the Government is out of control? Licensing isn’t to protect the consumers who are quite capable of protecting themselves. It’s to protect the incumbent businesses from competition, which is something only Government can do.
            Lighten up.

          • Richard Pawley

            Bob, when I read the newspaper article I came to a conclusion not that different from yours and I thought “What’s the big deal?” Why is this guy complaining? It must be because he believes that government is good (rather than that government is necessary) and that the bigger the government the better (although as we know, common sense and experience proves otherwise). I know it is irritating when those who only see what they want to see always take the side of government, as if government could do no wrong but don’t get ruffled by such people. Jesus himself said that what they did to him (vilifying him, and lying about him, and falsely accusing him) they would do to us. If you are a follower of Jesus then you have to expect this. Sometimes I fight back with how I see it but sometimes I just pray for myself for the other person.
            Many of the liberals on this site are atheists and although they are wrong in wanting to ultimately destroy our form of government, not all of them are evil, or even realize where their ideas will lead us. Of course some are evil and we will never convince them with words and logic. As you know there are liberals and progressives and Marxists who write here who think that if government were just big enough and the rich were destroyed that we would have a paradise. Even I was even shocked a years ago when I heard someone say, “What do you need God for, you have the Democratic party?” Some of these misguided people do not believe that freedom is worthwhile or that man is capable of governing himself and needs a ruler to make him do what he should (God only gave us ten commandments but there have been in the neighborhood of a million laws passed since our nation was founded). I’m not talking about Vigilant who just likes to find what he perceives as errors but what is truly ironic is that this is the USDA! The same ones who let millionaire chicken farms operate under the most incredible filthy conditions until someone dies or many get deathly sick, then they take notice but seldom require significant changes. It is the same USDA who oversees the slaughtering of cattle under such conditions that would make a steak lover become a vegetarian or at least never eat out again. I’m not talking about all the hormones and antibiotics that are allowed (and required because of the filth in such USDA approved places) as that is another matter, and the increasing coming of age of girls as young as eight and men developing female breasts is the apparent result. I’m not a vegan but I am getting to a point that I only want grass fed free range beef and organic chickens who do not eat genetically modified corn that has caused rats in England to develop liver problems in a matter of weeks (guess they aren’t as hardy as Americans who can eat anything). We need to fight for pure food but often we have to fight the government elitists who ‘know what is best for the little people’.
            We have deviated far from the founding fathers but even they realized that the form of government they left us would only work for a moral people. As we become less moral and more Marxist (Karl was even opposed to marriage) and lawless, we can hardly expect our government to work well. It has become what it was never intended to be. The end of all democracies is always chaos and dictatorship of one kind or another and there are many who are working towards that end. Those who are determined to spend until they crash the system, the dollar and the economy, think that they are going to build a better world more to their liking. Think of the assassin in the Sci-Fi movie SERENITY and you will have a good picture of what they are about. Some have not thought it out that far and they are more akin to those involved in religious cults who believe that only their way of understanding is the true way. They can be persuaded otherwise more easily than the gravely misinformed like the North Carolina cult leader who has been wrong twice in predicting the end of the world. Many of these misinformed are atheists and they must be opposed as they try to set up an alternative kingdom. That was tried once eons ago and resulted in the creation of what we call HELL. Well, keep up the good work but realize that the results are all in God’s hands. You can only do what you can do. I highly recommend two books to you which I mention in both my books and which are more important than either of mine. They are entitled GOD CALLING edited by A. J. Russell and PRISON TO PRAISE by Merlin Carothers. Both are paperback, both are very different from each other and both have helped millions more fully understand what life is really all about. If you haven’t read them than I highly recommend them. They might help you to focus more on what you can do in trying to save our country from those who want to destroy it, even if they don’t realize that is what they are doing. The Brave New World of the NWO is not going to be something anyone is going to enjoy except the few thousand at the top and even they are going to be greatly affected if they succeed.
            Jesus was talking about something else but I recall he once said, “They know not what they do!” Some do of course and those are the ones who will steer the masses towards the chaos they want and those are the ones who must be voted out of office in less than 18 months. Of course we can’t vote out Union Leaders who hate our country because they were never voted in the first place. We are at the tipping point and those who understand the power of prayer must continue to pray that God will work His will in every situation. If enough of those who love God will do this we can at least forestall the collapse of our country and that is worth doing. May God bless you and all who read this.

          • Vicki

            Vigilant writes:
            “Now, would you say that story is substantially different from the one at the top of this page? I sure would.”

            The OPINION at the top of the page is != to the story you quoted. It is also of very little relevance to the point of the opinion. Another poster below indicated the existence of a state law that DOES involve a dollar amount. When writing about the things (opinions and stories) we read some facts do get adjusted a bit. That is why most of us (including yourself) provide links to some of the opinions/facts we are reading to come up with our opinion.

            Since Mr Livingston’s opinions whole point was stated in his very first sentence the little factual error in the $ amount being a state law not a USDA law has minimal impact on Mr Livingston’s point.

            None the less I would like to thank you for the additional link supporting Mr Livingston’s assertion that our government is way out of control.

          • Vigilant

            Cawmun says, “Vigilant,why would you attack based on the information(or lack thereof),and not on the content?”

            That’s a rather confusing comment, since “content” is precisely that: information (or lack thereof).

            For some time now, I’ve cherished the idea, which may turn out to be a polite fiction, that Conservatives and Libertarians appreciate facts, figures, history and logic as great starting points for discussion. For that reason, I find it MORE incumbent to point out errors or omissions of fact when they come from the right. We’re all accustomed to the fluff/emotion/fuzzy logic and double standards of the left.

            It serves to de-legitimize and dilute any argument when the premises for that argument are incomplete or incorrect. Most do not check or doublecheck sources, but take the first thing they read and run off with it as if it’s gospel truth. That may be fine for Jerry Springer but it has no place in a forum that purports to facilitate discussion based on fact.

            I’ve caught up this site before for doing just that. As I’ve mentioned the Westboro Baptist and the Fox News poll articles, both short of some crucial facts, started a chain of comments that were completely off the wall until I corrected the factual material, at which time the discourse assumed a more intelligent thread.

            I don’t accuse them of purposely distorting the argument in their favor, but I do believe that they are sometimes guilty of the same thing: taking a quick, unresearched piece and perhaps prematurely publishing it.

          • Cliffystones

            I’d just like to inject my wee little bit of common sense here. The FDA and USDA were created partially due to a novel, “The Jungle” by Upton Sinclair about 100 years ago. I would highly suggest this book to those of you who believe we don’t need any regulation in the food industry. Also have a look at an episode of “Chef Ramsey’s Kitchen Nightmares” and you’ll have a new found appreciation for your local health department.

            These government agencies were established by our ancestors to protect average consumers from the disgusting practices that were commonplace prior to their existence. And yes, they have gone way, way off the deep end lately, and seem to be populated with uncaring, inflexible bureaucrats that could be easily classified as “control freaks”. But I have to believe that the vast majority of these Federal employees just want to earn a paycheck, it’s the ones described in this story that make them all look like thugs.

            These agencies don’t need to be eliminated, but the people running then do need some common sense slapped into their heads, and need to be reminded who they work for. And we shouldn’t classify all of the low-level employees of these agencies as “thugs”. If/when we are approached by an official, treat them the way we would like to be treated. Labeling all government employees and looking down our noses at them is just as bad as our government officials painting us all with the same brush.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Bob L. did not omit the main focus of what occurred. If he in any form gave you a verbatim article he would have a plagiarism suit on his hands. He can link.
            As always, we have to have discernment and verify everything we read and hear.
            As an aside, my sons when they write papers for their college courses have to document everything. The professors check,there is supposedly so much plagiarism.

          • Vigilant

            DaveH says, “Unbelievable Vigilant. That coming from the guy who went off on me because I dared to state the truth about Abraham Lincoln which offended your propagandized sensibilities.”

            “Offended my propagandized sensibilities?” This coming from the guy who reads a few books out of thousands about Lincoln, and decides that the most denigrating of them all must be true. And especially Thomas DiLorenzo, an admitted revisionist historian whose sole claim to legitimacy (in Dave’s mind) is his membership in the Ludwig von Mises Institute. Tell me Dave, does your view of history change every time you read a new book? Or is it just those that you feel philosophically comfortable with?

            “Does Bob Livingston need to hold your hand and explain every little detail so that it sinks in that the Government is out of control? Licensing isn’t to protect the consumers who are quite capable of protecting themselves. It’s to protect the incumbent businesses from competition, which is something only Government can do.”

            Your comment indicates that even you have not perceived the thrust of my comments. BTW, you might thank me that the thread of the discussion has turned to just that: licensing, not dollar thresholds.

            I guess you weren’t satisfied with the truce I called regarding the Lincoln issue. Or is it that my experience in the Terry Lakin issue, and my impeccable reading of it, was just too much for you?

            Since you bring up Lincoln one more time, I’ll tell you what I discovered: yes, he was a racist, as were most whites at that period in our history. But he was something far more important than that: he was anti-slavery. His party was founded on that, Lincoln always believed the slaves were wrongfully chained, and that the promises of the Declaration of Independence were for everyone, whether you are racist or not, black or white.

            “Lighten up.”

            Oh, I will. Now that I realize there are sheeple on both sides of the issues, something made abundantly clear to me today, I’m going to take a sabbatical.

            I hear the sighs of relief now. Mr. thin-skinned Livingston, you won’t have to worry about accountability while I’m gone, but I hope you’ve taken a lesson on accurate statements and sourcing.

            Dave, learn to admit when you’re wrong and try to avoid insulting anyone of whatever political persuasion if they don’t always agree with you.

            Others have shown support for me, and that’s fine, and I thank you, but some of you still need to learn how to read a sentence to avoid misconstruing the meaning of the writer. My prose is clear and straightforward, and it’s not my fault when you misinterpret my comments.

            Don’t worry, I won’t let the door hit me in the ass on the way out. Bye!

          • DaveH

            Vigilant,
            I’m beginning to wonder if you are yet another of Jovianus’s personalities. You come into Bob’s house and call him a liar (in so many words). And your proof of such is just one other author’s take on the story. And the varying facts are insignificant to the point that Bob was making.
            Then you make light of a well-written book (The Real Lincoln) whose facts all come from other accepted publications, with references for virtually everything the author claims. And you make the ignorant statement that it is just one book against thousands. As if that, by itself, would make the facts wrong.
            Did anybody invent the light-bulb before edison (well, actually there was another, but that’s beside the point), yet there were millions, probably even billions of people before that inventor had his ‘ah ha’ moment. Does that make Edison wrong? Obviously not.
            And by the number of Socialist societies in the world, it is safe to say that a very large number of people (probably over a Billion) believe that Socialism is the best for a country.
            Just how many ignorant people does it take to outthink one intelligent and informed person?
            Admit when I’m wrong? Show me. I have no problem admitting I’m wrong. But first you have to show me I am.
            Obviously by the volume of words you expend to say nothing really, you do have a problem admitting you’re wrong.

          • DaveH

            And Vigilant (you certainly are misnamed), Lincoln was not anti-slavery. Four of the states that fought for the Union were slave states. Lincoln was willing to kill (or get killed) 600,000 people to force his way on the South, yet he conveniently allowed those 4 states to have slavery? Slavery was being abolished in all the civilized countries around that time, peacefully. If Lincoln wanted to end slavery he could have done the same.
            And I’ll bet you didn’t read the book, after all that blustering? Because if you had, you wouldn’t be so quick to judge.
            You, Vigilant, are the worst kind of ignorant, because you refuse to consider other points of view, choosing instead to attack anybody who doesn’t match your chosen set of beliefs.

          • DaveH

            Vigilant says “Or is it that my experience in the Terry Lakin issue, and my impeccable reading of it, was just too much for you?”
            Your statements about Terry Lakin were Opinions, that is all. Vigilant. It would be a cold day in the hot place before you can outthink me.
            And Vigilant also said “Others have shown support for me, and that’s fine, and I thank you, but some of you still need to learn how to read a sentence to avoid misconstruing the meaning of the writer.”
            I counted 3 supporters, and 11 non-supporters. By Vigilant’s own bogus rules (the majority is right), he loses.
            By the way, Vigilant, you may have a high opinion of yourself. I don’t.

          • DaveH

            Also, I want to point out that 2 of the 3 Vigilant supporters are known Liberals who look hard for any opportunity to jump on Bob Livingston. They are hardly credible.

          • DC/Tex

            Vigie, Duuuu, you must work for the corrupt, greedy, government. Are you one of the antichrist and his band of of Chicago mob or are you just bumb as a rock?

          • DC/Tex

            I would like to apologize about my previous comment and tell you how sorry I am as the rock may think I was calling it a government employee!

          • vicki

            Vigilant writes that Mr Livingston should trust his readers with the whole truth.

            He did. He provided links. He provided enough information to allow you to locate additional information.

            Vigilant further writes that we have misread what he said. I assert that he called Mr. Livingston a lier. I offer as evidence

            ————————————————————
            Vigilant says:
            May 25, 2011 at 7:34 am

            I become more dispirited with PLND every day. Instead of unbiased journalism, the short articles are now becoming skewed, incomplete, agenda-based and subjective. I am finding it necessary to go back to the original news reports to get the complete story.

            Inevitably, your readers swallow the story hook, line and sinker because they have trusted you to tell the truth. Then they go off on a tangent, some explosively so, and know not what they are saying. Am I the ONLY person who trusts but verifies your aticles?

            Case in point: the statement, “Their crime: They sold more than $500 worth of rabbits in a calendar year.”
            ————————————————————————-

            I further assert that Vigilant was attacking the messenger and not the message. This is a typical action of a liberal and thus provides support for the assertion of DaveH that Vigilant is another name for Jovanus or any other of the liberals who post here.

            If we did not get the message that Vigilant tried to communicate then perhaps the fault lies in what Vigilant said rather than what we read.

            I assert that perhaps Vigilant mis-spoke rather than we mis-read.

          • Ranchman

            Oh puhlease!!! Bottom line,pal; we don’t want BIG GOVERNMENT interfering in our daily lives!!! We want FREEDOM AND LIBERTY, that’s why the majority of us read these blogs! Why in the world, WHY, WHY, WHY, would you attack someone who fights for that??? They’re RABBITS for cryin’ out loud!!! The government needs to back the hell out of our lives, if they don’t, we need to force them, one way or another!!!
            If you, sir, are not ready to take it to that level, then we DO NOT want or need your help and may posterity forget you were our countryman!!!

            “Gather Your Armies!!!”–Samuel Adams

          • azwayne

            I’m trying to understand your efforts to muddy the waters. Do you work for government, or middle school writing assignment. The article you referenced says same thing like one copied from other. Any way we recognize your attempt. The fact remains, idiotic federal government, a hint of PETA and any other animal right’s supporter.

    • s c

      DaveH, you’re correctomundo for the most part. What you left out is “act like a good citizen and bend over.” Time after time after time, what we have is the ‘best government money can buy.’ WHY can’t people understand that good government CAN’T be bought?

      • vicki

        This is just another example of having to get permission from “mommy” government to do, that which a truly free people, just do.

        Karolyn, Can you feel the chains yet?

    • Frank

      There was a REASON the US Constitution wanted the STATES to give only LIMITED power to the “Government”. VERY limited, listed powers.

      • azwayne

        They gave ONLY one job to Federal Government, protect the UNITED STATES. Do that and stay out of everyone’s private life. If we had honest worthwhile Congress they would destroy 100 regulations per day, until we could see light. Burn the paper they have wasted give it to the power plants might as well get some benefit.

    • EddieW

      Yeah dave! that’s the standard!!! USDA FTC and FDA (Federal DEATH Administration) have teamed in the destruction of this country!!
      Forcing Guardasil on young girls and women, with over 9,000 deaths from it, and many are incapacitate!! and it cures but a single type of vaginal cancer, and a fairly rare type at that!! A bidf adoo about nothing!!! It has killed and maimed far more than it will ever help..
      They are part of the Eugenics movement, and the idea is to reduce population!!

      • DaveH

        Well, while I can’t say what’s in the minds of those in Government (in relation to eugenics), I can say confidently that they are most likely aiding and abetting Big Pharma. How else do they continue feathering their own nests?

  • TIME

    Watch out for the Da Bunny it could be a badddd bunny and You don’t wana mess wit a bad Bunny.
    Afterall they leave egges all over the place, and really can you trust a bunny who leaves eggs all over the place?

    Lets see, on one hand we have Politicians, on the other hand we have Da Bunny, who do you really trust?

    Wake Up People, put the Bunny down and kick some ASS where it needs it.

    • Marty S.

      That’s just great, now we have to deal with the rabbit patrol. What a crock and to know we pay millions in taxes for this sort or tyranny.

      • Kate8

        Marty – It gets worse. Soon we will have the garden police arresting people for growing organic produce in the backyard. Probably start confiscating the land it’s grown on, too…

        • jibbs

          See my post and link , they broke the law. I don’t care for the duberment, but they made their own problems. How about if I start selling my steers to the food chain store’s, and I have not been inspected and have no records as to how healthy my animals for retail sale are?…what if I sold them my sick steers, goats, or lambs. Think about that when your in the meat section buying grocery’s.
          http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_welfare/downloads/aw/awlicreg.pdf

          • Kate8

            jibbs – No animals are more mistreated, abused and unhealthy than those coming from the big producers. Guv doesn’t care about that.

            It’s not about public health. We were much healthier when our produce came from the family farm, or even our neighbors. These folks were not running a major enterprise.

            Government needs to leave us alone. You can go on about “the law”, but laws are made to benefit government, and control the people.

          • Kate8

            And BTW, jibbs. Inspections are random and rare, and usually only happen when someone gets sick…and it’s most always from a big, corporate producer…unless they are after some little guy, to run him out of business and make an example of what happens to someone who tries to be self-sufficient and enterprising on a smaller scale.

          • Kate8

            And also BTW, If I choose to purchase an animal, eggs or raw milk from a neighbor or small producer, I should have that right, without interference and intimidation from the government.

            I’m still thinking about South America, where they still live free.

          • TIME

            Kate,
            Your dead on with your post. The fact is the USDA test only one in a 1000 if that.

            Jibbs,
            Who wrote the bloody laws that you think were broken? The Politicans who break the very laws they write daily.
            Again all LAWS written for well over the last 100 years need to be removed from the books ASAP they are there to CONTROL down to the nano your life.

          • Kate8

            TIME – Government has spent many years indoctrinating we the people that government is the ultimate authority in everything, and that we must comply and obey without question.

            It seems that they’ve succeeded. Like I said before, we no longer have any need to think or make decisions on our own.

          • vicki

            Jibbs

            I have no problem with the USDA putting a stamp of approval on meat from sources they have inspected.

            I have a serious problem with them telling you that you can not sell your meat because you did not pay them “protection” money to get that stamp on your meat.

            I can choose to buy your meat or the meat that has the USDA stamp on it.

            I have a SERIOUS problem with the government of a (supposedly) free people telling me that I do not have the choice and MUST buy the meat with the USDA stamp on it.

          • DaveH

            Time,
            I would like to see a Constitutional Amendment stating that no new laws can be created by the Congress without a 2/3 majority of both houses. And that all the old laws must be reviewed and approved by that same majority within 10 years or they become void.

          • Kate8

            DaveH – I would like to add that citizens be allowed to petition for redress of grievences…oh, wait…we are. Except that we aren’t.

            I guess we need some new laws to reaffirm existing ones (?).

            In any case, any statutes passed by Congress should be required to pass Constitutional muster, and also be subject to the acceptance of we the people. After all, they are SUPPOSED to work for us.

        • Marty S.

          Guess its time to fill the basement with about 2 feet of black dirt and growing lights and start that victory garden indoors eh?

    • steve in AZ

      Sorry,Time, but eggses is incorrect. Da bunnies no longer leave eggses – dey leave “spring spheres”. Please catch up on your political correctness. :)

  • karolyn

    I will continue to send these stories to my congressmen. What more can we do?

    • FreedomFighter

      vote them out

      them: anyone that threatens the freedom and liberty of the American constitution.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • karolyn

        I knew I would get that response. That doesn’t help the people who are in the middle of these travesties, like the cheese making family in the northwest or the Amish farmer selling raw milk across state lines in PA. Yes, those of us who are online get all this news; but, sad to say, there are millions of Americans who need to get knocked over the head to see anything. Would that I were a millionaire. I would start a campaign – putting up posters, etc. – Going out into communities. I would hope that everyone who reads these blogs does contact his congressmen. It certainly is the LEAST we can do. Bitching and moaning amongst ourselves about it sure doesn’t help.

        • Randy

          You are a babe in the woods. Any contact to a Congressman that does not include at least $10,000 untraceable dollars attached is handed to an intern who will send you a form reply. You wasted a $0.44 stamp.

          • karolyn

            I actually was called and left messages several times by my representative’s (Mick Mulvaney) office regarding one of my emails. It seemed as though they were really ineterested in what I had to say. I had a nice talk with one of the interns. Lindsey Graham always emails a response and sends a letter with mention of the specific item I am referring to. Jim DeMint does not usually respond at all, and he’s the one everyone thinks is so great. He doesn’t even have a Facebook page.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Randy__ that depends on who ya know!__Ya want action, make yourself well known to your congress people, but do it respectively. But be aware, if you Make yourself too well known and skewed and nasty, then the GUV will follow you for a while, to see if your a threat.

        • Louie

          Karolyn, I agree that bitching/moaning amongst ourselves is useless, so the only way to get anything accomplished is to throw them out physically. We can do that if we’ll do it together. I written my congressional reps many times & all I ever get is a thank you form letter…I don’t write anymore…I’ve started trying to get people to lets band together & “throw the criminals out of office”. All I get is… oh, but that would be unconstitutional!?

          • Johnny

            Louie, the easy answer for the constitutional argument is that the constitution gives the people the right to remove any government that is detrimental to the welfare of our citizenry.

          • Kate8

            Congresspeople don’t even ever see these letters and emails. They go into the delete file.

            I used to write my “reps” several times a week. I’d get a canned response, basically saying, “though I disagree with you, I’ll keep your thoughts in mind…”

            Don’t even get that anymore. In fact, not so long ago, they were telling us to stop contacting them! In other words, they don’t answer to us. They have their instructions from the PTB, and we’ve become a nuisance…

        • wandamurline

          If I had the money, I would get this guy an attorney and countersue the agent in charge…the one that would not do his real job and that is to help the American citizen with what they need to establish their business within the boundaries that the USDA puts forward. Refusing to help is the reason that this man was out of compliance, and it is the agent’s responsibility as he was the boots on the ground. Maybe, if some of these agents got sued individually, and their butts were on the line, they would get to see how it feels to get raped without vaseline. You can bet, if the agent received notice of being sued, he would lose his job with the USDA, and that would set a precedence for future agents and how they work with the public…because the rabbit farmer is one of the agent’s bosses, he helps to pay his salary.

          • vicki

            Wandamurline writes:
            “help the American citizen with what they need to establish their business within the boundaries that the USDA puts forward.”

            You want to help the royal guard measure the length of the chains? For a free people you sound much more like you want to wear the chains of slaves.

            Where is the righteous indignation in the oppressive laws and acts of the government claiming to be of a free people?

            (Warning: Do not look behind the curtain. You will see many many years of government adding a little link here, a little link there, till you really do wake up as slaves in the land of the free)

      • Louie

        We can’t vote them out. There are too many fools that vote that agree with them. But we can throw them…that’s the only way to get rid of them.

        • karolyn

          Unfortunately, the “fools” are not aware of what is going on in the background. That’s why I posted that I would love to have a lot of money to do in-your-face PR campaigns regarding these issues. If I had to guess, I would imagine a great many of the computer-using people spend most of their time on Facebook and not on sites that raise awareness.

          • Vicki

            Go to facebook. Run the campaign there.

        • Cawmun Cents

          You cant vote out bureaucracy,but you can starve it to death…haw!

        • Lee

          You will get more results reporting this to the Enquirer or another tabloid….it will be read by many thousands. Do you remember the Vietnamese farmer who ran over an “endangered” kangaroo rat with his tractor? Just so happens an agent from the EPA just “happened” to be out in the farmers very large garden and spotted the precious rat, which the poor farmer had no idea his tractor had run over it. They took away his farm. This was put in the Enquirer and because of the outcry from the public, he got back his farm. You know that they have nothing better to do than to walk around on your private property (unless you’re a far left liberal) and look for any violation, real, imagined or “planted” that they can find. Please all of us. Let’s report this to several tabloids and see what happens. The little boy learned a lesson alright, and it’s that we are losing our rights.

      • Jim

        FreedomFighter, Oregon constitution allows for “WE THE PEOPLE” of the State to create a petition for a cause and then gather a certain number of signatures which will determine if the cause will be placed on the next ballot as a measure to be voted on.

        I suggest creating a petition for the cause of passing a measure that states all candidates running for any given office can do so at no charge. All candidates will then be given the exact same kind, type, amount of, local and any other promotional support to ensure no one candidate has more “Face Time” than another candidate. Any deficiencies in this requirement will be made by the candidate themselves and authorized as “Acceptable Discrepancies” by such candidate.

        I know this is a superficial and incomplete example of the petition “Cause” but I hope you get the idea.

        The main point I am trying to make here is this….Money must be taken out of the picture in order to level the playing field. It has come to be that those with the most money wins and this is unacceptable for a democratic republic to flourish without becoming controlled by those who have the money.

        I request all those who desire our country to return control to “WE THE PEOPLE” find a way to institute this petition method of creating a measure and placing it on the ballots of all our States in the Union. We can take back our Country by thinking outside of the box.

        Good Luck and God Bless,
        Jim

        • Cawmun Cents

          Sounds like the fairness doctrine to me.

          • Vicki

            It does indeed. A direct violation of the first amendment. We DO have a way to break the political machine that controls the media. The internet gives access to “the press” to ALL the people and not just those who can afford a press.

            Use it. Here as we are now. Also go to facebook and other social network sites and take the campaign to the people. That way we don’t need any stupid law to “force” fairness in direct violation of the Constitution.

        • Johnny

          Jim, I need to check into this “cause” petition thing. Sounds like a big winner to me. At least it would put the politicians on notice that we the people are sick of the way the political game is played, with money.

  • American Citizen

    When does the Revolution begin? When will the Democrats and Liberals wake up? What will it take to get things turned around? Why don’t the tornadoes hit D.C.”

    WAKE UP AMERICA!

    • Vicki

      Get more people to read the Declaration of Independence. The ENTIRE thing. Especally the list of 19 reasons for declaring independence.

  • Alan

    National Deficit Reduction Plan

    Problem 1, Our US. Service members stationed overseas spend the better portion of their pay checks on the local economy of the host country where they are stationed. This contributes to the economy of a foreign country.eg; Korea, Germany, how long we have been there supporting them?
    Problem 2, we hire local nationals to work on our military instillations in these host countries. This helps contribute to their economy.
    Problem 3, we are paying rent to the host government of the lease the land we use for our instillations. This contributes to their economy.
    Solution; Propose to these host countries that we will leave our troops there protecting them and spending their pay checks supporting their economy. We will continue employing the local nationals working on our installations, contributing to their economy. Catch though; we will no longer pay to lease the land being used by our troops. If they agree we can stay there and support them, if not we bring our troops home and they can spend their pay here supporting our economy. These troops can be used to secure our boarders enforcing our National Security. It will also open more jobs for our own citizens as they will be needed to work on our newly opened or expanded bases here in our own country.
    How much money could we now save to be applied towards our national debt?
    If we had to shut down foreign bases and bring troops home how much of our tax dollars paid to service members would now be spent here in our country?
    How many new jobs could be created to help reduce the unemployment here?

    • Cawmun Cents

      Sounds more like an International deficit reduction plan to me.

  • Antonio

    WOW!! aint that sum [expletive deleted]. I raise German shepherd dogs and sell them every now and then. I guess that means i’m next in line. oh well screw’em cuz i aint gonna pay’em [expletive deleted].

    • Vicki

      The law says even if you just “intend” to be a dealer you have to get a license. How many 4h club kids have violated that “letter of the law”

  • Alton Robinson

    His main problem was he forgot to ask the great one in dc if he could please sell a few rabbits. If he sold $500.00 worth he should have sent the govt at least $400.00. After all these people too lazy to try to fend for themselves need their money too.

    • 45caliber

      I agree.

  • http://LibertyAlert Bud

    What purpose does the US Dept of Agriculture serve? It appears to me that the Depts of Agriculture, Energy, Education, NLRB can all be defunded and save taxpayers a lot of money. You may also want to include the FDA in the basket of agencies we can do without.

    • Dennis

      And the TSA,EPA

      • Kate8

        I’d say that the Dept. of Agriculture serves to harrass the little guy and protect the BigBro corporate producers. After all, they are allowed to do anything they like, including provide us with produce from tortured, disease ridden animals that make us sick.

        Don’t look to your congressmen to help. They’ve already been paid off by the corporations. And they already take all of our money they want.

    • Louie

      RIGHT ON…..

    • Waldomountainman

      It is almost laughable to read all the vitrolic bull$#!* being voiced here about this man selling a large number of rabbits without a license. BUT if these same rabbits had been infected with some kind of contagious disease that had caused an epidemic then all of you would be screaming where were all the controls that were supposed to keep something like this from happening. There are good reasons for some of these rules and all of you know it so why are you showing your backsides like this? Yes government needs to be scaled back but not when it comes to the health and welfare of the greater population. I agree with cuts like bringing our trrops home and telling the islamist if they dont cease and desist we will just lay a neutron on them and be done with it, why wate time and energy trying to help their population when they are not willing to help themselves?

      • Marty S.

        Waldo, we used to have a thing in this country called free enterprise where one could start a business and be of benefit to his family and provide a service or product to his community. This sort of overt action by government is literally sucking the wind out of those of such spirit. Government interference in our lives and business IS the disease we should be concerned about, not some well cared for rabbits. As for your ideas about the Islamists unfortunately they have infected more than just the sandbox they came from so it would solve nothing and literally be a premature end of the world as we know it with resulting nuclear annihilation.

        • Waldomountainman

          Marty
          I have to agree with Vigilant in all his posts as Mr. Livingston used another second hand account of the story on which to base his and did not bother to look up any other facts regarding this issue.
          How many of you followed Vigilant’s suggestion to go to the link he provided to view yet another version? How many took what he printed as gospel and just started venting?
          Mr. Dollarhite ran his own busniess thus was aware of the fact he needed a busniess license especially when the busniess started to grow beyond just a couple of bunnies and they started to make multiple sales. Mr. Dollarhite aparently knew for years he needed license but chose to continue to operate illegally under the pretense he was just teaching his son responsibility, well some education his son has gotten eh?
          I have no argument with the fact the government has gotten too large and does not administer the laws equally nor am I defending it, all I am saying is there is always two sides to every story and everyone should research the facts for themselves before venting.
          Mr. Dollarhite got caught breaking the law and now is playing on the publics disdain for the government to help pay his fines by seeking contributions to his defense fund and Mr. Livingston has an agednda for this blog and will use any information that suits this agenda to get readers, the more controversial the better.
          Rabbits like all animals can carry contagious disease’s that can be transferred to humans and thus must be regulated for the benefit of the many. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article614798.ece

          • Jazzabelle

            The only thing Mr. Dollarhite did wrong was fail to learn the mountain of regulations that might or might not have applied to him, or might have applied to him only under certain circumstances, or might have applied to him only if he did or didn’t structure his business in a certain way and/or pay certain taxes. End result: he may have violated a regulation, but since he didn’t create any actual victims, he didn’t actually violate the Law. (Regulations are contracts that are only imposed when you enter them.)

            Those of you who whine about contagious diseases apparently don’t believe that the free market can solve that problem. If someone gets sick from your rabbit, they sue you. That’s justice. That’s libertarian freedom for EVERYONE. The problem is that government licenses remove the responsibility for raising animals properly from the farmer and place it on the agency that issued the license. That’s why there are limits to liability, “acceptable” levels of pollution, and real victims often can’t get what they deserve. If you just sell your rabbits on your own behalf, there are no regulations and you are responsible for the quality of your product–responsible to your buyers, who have remedies at law, not to the government. Thank goodness there’s NO law that requires a license to run a business! Those who want to live under libertarian freedom, can.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Waldomountainman,

            You write: “Mr. Livingston has an agednda (sic)for this blog and will use any information that suits this agenda to get readers, the more controversial the better.”

            Yes, I have an agenda. It is to promote freedom and liberty and point out the fascist nature of our Federal government.

            What is your agenda? It appears to be promoting the Federal thugocracy.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Dan az

            This is just another way to strong arm not only small business but small enterprising children.Freedom does not come from restricting and taxing the people to death for the sake of redistribution.Your safety dose not come from increasing the strong arm of the guvmnt, but by reducing their grip on your ability to make a living anyway you so decide.
            The reason for this economic outcome lies in savings and capital. When people are free to keep everything they earn, they inevitably save a part of it. Their savings provides the capital that businesses use to expand their operations. The expansion produces higher revenues and profits, enabling firms to pay higher wages. In that way, standards of living rise. In the totally statist society, where the state owns everything, private savings and capital are squeezed out of existence, thereby dooming everyone to a life of extreme impoverishment, possibly even starvation.

            In the middle of the spectrum are the welfare state and the managed economy, whereby the state attempts to extract sufficient wealth from the private sector to sustain its ever-growing welfare sector. What inevitably happens, however, is that the welfare sector becomes so large and so voracious that the private sector shrinks to a point where it cannot sustain the burden. The result is an environment of crisis and chaos, one in which people in the parasitic sector are demanding that the government do something to save them.
            There lies the problem.We need less guvmnt not more.we need to look outside of the box and see what is really going on,We have become the slaves of the elite and they are just laughing at us.Its time to do something and that’s flush this overbearing cesspool of waste and replace it with the ones that believe in the constitution and the bill of rights not just gives lip service.Ron Paul is just that person and with the right congress and senate we can take this nation back.You know what the other way is and its not pretty.

          • RW

            It is one aspect of human to defend what is just, in this case breaking a law. But, please use your mind to see the greater injustice. We have allowed our government to become a runaway train, passing laws that regulate nearly every aspect of life. He broke a licensing law. Most on this site would contend it’s a stupid law, reaching far beyond what a government should be regulating. The point Livingston is making is, do we really need the breadth of government involvement in our daily affairs in order to function as a society? Would we really just come completely unhinged as humans if we didn’t have tens of thousands of laws and rules to follow? If we’re working to pay our taxes, and paying our taxes so the government can keep us in line, aren’t we saying we can’t handle free will?

          • Kate8

            Dan az and RW – Well said, indeed.

            We seem to always forget that any Congressional Act that goes contrary to our Constitution IS NOT LAW, but only statute, and we are only bound by it if we agree to comply. No Act can be Law if it violates the Supreme Law written by our Founders.

            We have been so snowed by this system, and have walked willingly, albeit unwittingly, into slavery.

            It may be too late to wake up from this snowjob, but we won’t know unless we give it a try.

          • Kate8

            I need to add to Supreme Law written by our Founders…acknowledging our God-given rights bestowed on us by Him only, by virtue of our humanity and natural sovereignty, and cannot be infringed by government.

            Unless we choose to give it away and enter into servitude to the Beast.

          • Vicki

            “How many of you followed Vigilant’s suggestion to go to the link he provided to view yet another version?”

            I did. I also read all the cites in the links Mr Livingston provided.
            Then I wrote my opinions to Vigilant. (And you :)

          • DaveH

            Vigilant goes off the deep end when his knowledge (or lack of) gets challenged. He threw a virtual hissy fit when I dared to expose Lincoln as the Dictator that he was. And that without having done any study on the subject first. In his rebuttal comment on this page he basically admits that he researched the subject, but that was after he threw his hissy fit, not before.
            Ignore people like him.

          • Al Sieber

            Waldo, pretty soon you’re gonna need a license, or a permit to take a crap, well maybe we do now. I just use 2-55 gal. drums and a small leach field, I live so far out in the hills the county doesn’t even know whats going on, and they never come out because their afraid of people that live out in in the middle of nowhere, even the law won’t come out.

        • sylviam

          Marty as you probably already know—-FREE INTERPRIZE CANNOT BE TOLERATED IN A SOCIALIST< OR COMMUNIST COUNTRY!!!
          Thats what they are trying to push on us by FUNDEMENTALLY CHANGING out GREAT NATION. There is no more of the GOOD LIFE to be had and thats just what it is all about.
          GOD BLESS AMERICA

        • Lee

          There would be no outcry if the little boy had only thought first about “outsourcing” the building of the cages to China. They face no penalties. Did we not receive in many of our most expensive pet foods made in China and sold in Vets. offices as well as giant chains of Pet Stores, grocery stores etc. “tainted” pet food that had to be recalled? The recalls were approx. two full pages in length. I had been paying a fortune for one of the expensive brands that were recalled. Where was the penalty imposed on China?

      • ValDM

        “There are good reasons for some of these rules”. Yes, there are. However, they should be unilaterally applied. Take, for instance, the chicken industry. They are allowed to make a kind of “stew” for feeding their charges. This “stew” consists of chickens that have died under dubious circumstances along with meal and bugs. Chickens DO eat meal & bugs in their natural dietary enviornment, but certainly NOT themselves. Ever wonder how chicken legs became so large? They’re confined in such tight quarters, they literally CAN’T STAND UP. Another instance where the rules are not applied appropriately is the cattle industry. Feed lots have, for the last 20 yrs been feeding their charges a mixture of grain & a protein concoction of THEMSELVES to boost slaughter weight. If you eat conventionally grown meats, you’ve been made a cannibal by proxy. Still think the USDA is doing such a fine job????

        • MNIce

          The “mad cow” episodes put a stop to forced bovine cannibalism quite a few years ago. That practice is now illegal. Chickens will cannibalize each other if they are overcrowded, but not under normal circumstances.

          Regardless, the big issue here is another federal agency going out of bounds. Unless the Dollarhites actually sold their rabbits across state lines, the USDA has no Constitutional authority, at least not according to the Constitution. Matters of licensing, regulation, inspection etc. properly belong with the state and local governments. Unfortunately, we have a court system that decided the Constitution doesn’t say what it means, but means what the Court says, and the Court says that if your sneezing affects a person’s decision to buy something, you’re engaged in “interstate commerce” and subject to regulation.

          • 45caliber

            MNice:

            Chickens don’t need to be crowded to eat each other. Or even themselves. All they need is something to attract their attention. A different colored feather on a chick will almost always get it killed quickly because all the others will peck at it. A small wound will do the same thing. Heck, I’ve seen chickens eat THEMSELVES due to that. It helps if they are running free but even that isn’t a cure. Chickens are really just nasty birds.

          • ValDM

            As for chickens, should we AID them in this disgusting practice???? Mad cow disease aside; how about this pretty picture : most slaughter houses are inspected by USDA at best, 4 times a yr. Know what happens regularly when USDA isn’t around? The latest stats provided are around 10% of the animals ARE STILL ALIVE when they’re being cut up for your dinner table. The USDA isn’t serving anyone’s best interest in ANY of their many endeavors. And then this boy is being made an example of is hardly concionable.

        • DaveH

          ValDM,
          I know you know this, but it has nothing to do with animal cruelty, and everything to do with Power. Your example of the chickens is a good one to illustrate that point.
          The leaders (on both sides of the aisle) are making fools of the citizens. They want Power and Perks, and they will shower us with whatever propaganda helps them achieve that goal.

    • karolyn

      Actually, the USDA does serve a purpose in helping to make sure the food we eat is safe. However, they spend too much time on non-issues.

      • Kate8

        karolyn – What’s sad is, I really think you believe that.

        • karolyn

          Well, it probably does do SOME good. I don’t think throwing the baby out with the bathwater is a good idea either. The premise is sound.

      • Bill

        Karolyn, Me thinkist that you are not awake.

      • 45caliber

        karolyn:

        The USDA isn’t really meant to insure the food you eat is good. The FDA’s stated reason for existence is that. The USDA is meant to keep on eye on the food to insure that the farm corporations can sell without competiion.

        When was the last time you saw a farmer driving down the road, house to house, offering to sell some of his produce? It’s rare enough to see them sitting on a corner somewhere. And even then, most of the time they are selling packaged produce (like oranges) that were bought from some corporation.

        If they control your food, they can control you.

        • Kate8

          45 Kind of reminds me of 5th grade civics class, when we learned how the federal agencies were there to protect us. Yes, by golly, we could trust them to keep us safe.

          We felt so fuzzy and had no doubt that anything bad would be caught before it reached our dinner table, or anywhere else. After all, this is America!

          Except that I, like you and many others, GREW UP.

          • Vicki

            Kate8

            Yes that was the same lie I was taught in school. There was even a rather infamous book on the subject by Upton Sinclar called “The Jungle”.

      • DaveH

        Oh Please, Karolyn! If you were running a company would you poison your customers? If you did, you wouldn’t be around long. Corporate officers aren’t that stupid.
        Look up the Jack in the Box incident (which occurred by the way under the ‘watchful’ eye of the Government). They dam near went under because there was too much E. Coli in their meat (not their fault). It took years for them to regain their customers.
        For all the money that Government wastes “protecting us”, we could afford to be a lot more careful about what we purchase.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      It is like any governmental do-gooder organization started by feely people to protect the dimwitted. Once established it is self propagating and self preserving.

  • American Citizen

    What do we do about those dust bunnies under the bed? I guess we cold gather them up and send them to one of the politicians in D.C. What a bunch of ignoramuses. They surely are not watching what the left hand is doing.

  • karolyn

    Here’s as good a place as any to post this link to a website where you can vote to terminate expensive unnecessary budget items:
    http://majorityleader.gov/youcut/

    • Bill

      Karolyn, How do we get people like you to wake up is the question so that false statements, like the FDA doing good, is not made.

  • DMS

    Can WE the People chip in and pay a constitutionally-minded militia to physically protect our fellow patriots against such tyranny from the Brits – I mean the US government?

  • Bitter Libertarian

    http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/libertarianism-vs-statism/

    Excellent Article!

    Heres a sample: “It is how libertarians view freedom that befuddles and confuses, and sometimes even angers, American statists. They’re simply unable to comprehend how libertarians are able to honestly believe that Americans are not free. That’s because in the minds of American statists, it’s obvious that Americans are free. Everyone knows that the United States is a free country.

    The reason for this phenomenon is, again, that, while all of us are living within a statist box, most Americans have not been able to break out of the box, mentally speaking, and question and challenge the legitimacy of the statist box itself. Undoubtedly, that is in large part because of the powerful indoctrination that takes place in people’s formative years — a period in which their minds are molded so that they believe that the welfare state is, in fact, freedom. Thus, when a statist encounters a libertarian, who wants to bring freedom to America, the statist becomes confused, befuddled, and even angry because in his mind he’s already free, thanks to the welfare state.”

    • Kate8

      Bitter – To many, freedom is not having to think for oneself.

      Heck, we can go through our whole lives without having to make a single decision. Whatever it is, there’s already a law or regulation…and more on the way!

      Hooray for freedom!

    • 45caliber

      I recently met a pretty young lady from Scotland. She had met and married an American and returned here with him. We were talking about the differences between there and here.

      She said something that startled me. “It’s so nice here! We drove to Florida recently and didn’t have to provide a permit to the police anywhere to show permission to go there!”

      I casually asked a few questions. In Scotland (and England according to her) if you leave your residence and go somewhere out of the immediate area, you are supposed to let the authorities know and get a permit to go.

      And the statists want us to mimic the life system in Europe!

      • Christin

        45,
        WOW… don’t want to go there (mentally more than physically), but it looks like it is coming here.

        Getting ‘permission’ to travel out of one’s locale is what they make people in America do who are on probation for an accused criminal misdemenor or other felony crime.

        They are already “getting us to stay put” and not travel… (by not drilling for oil independance) with the high prices of gas and the TSA groping and irradiation scanners for air flight travel.

        Your national I.D., Please…

        • Kate8

          That IS the purpose of the TSA and high gas prices…to ease us into being limited to our immediate locale.

          This is coming, and soon.

          Your papers please. Except that now, in the name of freedom, we can get a CHIP. No need to carry that pesky purse or wallet, and risk having it stolen.

          In the Phillipines, a tourist hotel is chipping folks so they can wear their swimsuits without having to carry ID and money. In other words, so they can be free!

          It will come as a convenience and voluntary, at first. Most will comply.

          • 45caliber

            It is fashionable now among the more affluent to chip children. Supposedly that will make it easier to find them if they are lost or kidnapped. So it is certainly coming …

          • Dan az

            kate
            Another point I might add is the fact that our jobs have moved out of this country and now they want us to work from home.And now they are planning on taxing everything that you buy or sell on the internet.
            Isn’t freedom great?

          • Kate8

            45 – I always wondered what would stop kidnapers from digging the chip out, or cutting off an arm.

            Dan az – They also are now passing legislation requiring permits to work in the private sector.

          • Dan az

            kate
            Can you say Seek hail!

          • Vicki

            Kate8. You ALREADY have to have a permit to work in the private sector. It is called a social security card. (Or at least you have to provide the number which is much the same thing).

          • karolyn

            Dan – The SC Legislature just made a deal with Amazon. Amazon is building a facility that will provide 2000 jobs, but they were pulling out of the deal if the state mandated that they have to charge SC residents sales tax. The lawmakers caved thank goodness. It almost didn’t happen; but this state sorely needs those jobs. I’m glad the legislators saw the light.

          • Kate8

            Plans to keep people contained in tight locales:

            http://dprogram.net/2011/01/06/eco-fascists-call-for-prison-cities/

          • DaveH

            And if the affluent children are chipped, 45, they will want others to be chipped. You know, misery loves company.

          • vicki

            Kate8. Think “logans run” or “soylent green”

      • Vicki

        45caliber writes:
        “She said something that startled me. “It’s so nice here! We drove to Florida recently and didn’t have to provide a permit to the police anywhere to show permission to go there!”

        And here is different how? If I were to drive to Florida without carrying my papers (drivers license, proof of insurance etc) that give me permission to take my private property (car) I would be in trouble here too. She must have missed that little detail.

        Maybe there she had to show a permit to be there even without a car.
        Then again we have that problem here in some places. Usually vagrancy laws or some such

        • 45caliber

          Vicki:

          She had to go to the police station and pick up a permit signed by someone there (I didn’t go into that) that granted her permission to leave the designated area (her village area). If she went to a larger town about ten miles away, she was supposed to get a permit. If she worked in the larger town they would give her one that stated she could go there to work. It was NOT a driver’s license or other such things. Here we can go anywhere in the US without having to get permission from the nearest police station. And we don’t have to provide that permit in other areas to prove we have permission to be there.

          • Kate8

            45 – There are already plans for that very thing.

            Coming soon, unless we stop it.

          • vicki

            45caliber writes:
            “Here we can go anywhere in the US without having to get permission from the nearest police station.”

            As Kate8 says “yet”

            However we do have to apply for permission to take our private property on the kings highway. We do have to apply for permission to possess and or consume some herbs. We do have to apply for permission to make changes to our personal property (house). We do have to apply for permission to work (Social Security). We DO have to apply for permission to be in many areas owned by the public but not open to the owners.

            I could go on and on.

            Free we were. Free we are not.

            (I chose the red pill.)

      • Nadzieja Batki

        What you are saying about the woman from Scotland shouldn’t surprise you. The police or the town councils in the past kept track of who came in to a town or who left the town.
        Pray it never happens in the US.

    • Bill

      When one is put into slavery, to any degree, so that others may benefit is simply wrong. That is why the welfare state is wrong. No one has a greater right to life than anyone else and when one is forced to contribute to anothers welfare then that person has the right to defend themself. (John Locke fully explained this to an enlightened people, if someone has a right to anothers property (money) or labor then that puts them in conflict with life itself. I have not and will not accept anything from the government that has been forcefully acquired from my fellow human beings. Therefore I am not in conflict with anyone, however if anyone or any organization attempts to or actually forces me to contribute to anothers welfare they are in conflict with me and I then have a right to take any measure necessary to rectify that conflict. No one has a right to my life or to your life. By by very nature of life itself we were meant to live and to defend our life, don’t believe me then here is the test. Try holding your breath or try to choke someone, a struggle will result and a fight will be on to hold onto life. Let harmful microbes invade the body and what does the body do, it musters up all of its resourcers to help overcome that which would take life.
      We can learn a lot from nature and ourself if we want to. Some people think it is just easier to destroy someone’s elses life than provide for their own. I choose the politics of life and liberty not slavery and force.

      • Jazzabelle

        Well said, Bill!

        • Al Sieber

          I second that.

  • Alan

    Situation and Solution

    Standard of Living Improvement for Elderly and Low Income without costing the government a penny more than is already being wasted
    History; Fifty years ago this country was self-sufficient producing everything we needed without depending on other countries.
    Problem
    We have crime running ramped because people say they have no job skills to get jobs, poverty everywhere because these people can’t work.
    Elderly citizens that worked all their lives, doing without proper health care, sufficient food or decent place to live.
    People are homeless through no fault of their own and living on the streets.
    Solution
    First, place all correctional facilities under federal control.
    Second, pass new law making escape from a federal facility punishable by death within twenty four hours after recapture. (No appeals no exceptions)
    Now reestablish industries operated by the prison system staffed by inmates. (Example) North East states can produce all textile and Clothing for the entire system. South can grow food; Mid West can work the cattle industry, PA. Steel mills can be reopened, etc.; everything the prison system needs they can produce themselves. Inmates convicted of violent crimes would remain within the prison walls maintaining the facility, all others will work outside knowing they must return at the end of their shift or be considered an escapee. This would lighten the expense burden on the tax payers and victims. Anything produced in excess to what is needed for the prison system will go to a special outlet similar to Costco, BJ’s, Sam’s Club etc. . . . Only authorized for use by the needy and elderly who will have some type of membership card. Example; if a loaf of bread costs $1.00 now in a regular store, in this special store the needy could get it for say $.25 made by inmates, this will now allow these people to have four loafs of bread instead of one for the same amount of money. Shirts normally costing $15.00 in a regular department store would go for say $5.00 made by inmates. The money brought in by these stores from products manufactured by Inmates would go to pay the correctional officers that would still be needed within the prison walls with the violent criminals. Part of the money could pay (paycheck) the inmates so they are not working for free (slave labor). This paycheck would enable inmates to pay restitution to their victims (fulfill the idea of payment to society) and build a little savings for when they are released. The inmates would have something productive to do with their time and they would be learning a trade fitting to the area of the country where they reside. What we are attempting is to make the prison totally self-supporting. Upon release some could be hired on by the system to train new inmates coming in that have no skills. Now we’re giving them jobs upon release to get them started on the road to becoming productive citizens.
    This is now creating skilled workers that could work in our by now reestablished industries, in this country enabling the US to be less dependent on foreign countries for everything. (Less importing)
    Now as for the local vender that is presently getting paid for their products/services to the prison system losing money. The government will continue to purchase from them, but now these products/services will go through the special stores generating more money for the prisons for utilities, medical expenses etc.
    You do the logistics I just have the idea.

    • Louie

      There are no logistics…your whole idea is totally stupid…you are still talking about total federal control of us.

      • http://charter susan

        it sounds like he’s saying they should work for want they get and pay for what they did .no free ride sounds go to me. the government does not have to run it private companies can.

      • Denis

        Don’t hold back, Louie, how do ya really feel? Got ideas to resolve the issues?

    • Cawmun Cents

      I agree with Louie.Why would you guarantee that the prisons would be even more screwed up by letting the feds maintain them?They do that same thing in China except change the word convict to citizen,and realize that a cup of alligator urine and a bowl of rice every other day is all they get paid for sewing your Reeboks together.I vote we give control of the prison system to the Chinese.Let them mange it.Or better yet…let the Arabs control the prisons,using their own laws.Russians use a bullet for capital punishment and there are no appeals.Let them control,and maintain the prisons.We could save a ton of cash if we farmed out our penal system to a foreign nation.Yep…tranfer them all to Siberia,and be done with the endless spending.The Russians would probably maintain our prisons at a fraction of what it costs us,and do a better job with recidivism too.-CC.

      • 45caliber

        Sounds like an excellent idea to me. Were you aware that some federal judges have even specified how many frisbees a prison must have for criminal entertainment?

        • Cawmun Cents

          Nothing like giving them extra plastic for their shivs huh?

          • 45caliber

            Cawmun:

            It is called “shanks” – not “shivs”. I think the gangs use shivs but I’m not sure. It’s been too long since I paid any attention the gangs.

          • Cawmun Cents

            I believe both apply.

          • Vicki

            http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shiv

            A shiv is most commonly a homemade (inside prison) cutting/stabbing tool made of anything other than metal. A shank is the metal equiv.

    • 45caliber

      Alan:

      But according to the government, you are talking about SLAVERY! The bad S word. FORCING all these criminals to actually work! Terrible! Many people in the US, particularly Hollywood, would be up in arms about that!

      Even worse, you are depriving lawful businesses (why pay taxes and have licenses) from being able to sell to these elderly and needy people. And not only that, you are preventing them from selling to prisons! Why, not long ago, the prisoners here in Texas were printing up forms for the state government to use. The printers went to court to force them to stop they so they could do the printing and get paid for it! How could you wish for the businesses to go broke?

      Most prisons, at least in the South, attempt to grow all their food. But some of the big farm corps are raising Cain about that. They don’t get to sell millions of dollars worth of food to the state!

      • 45caliber

        Now don’t you feel sorry you suggested that?

      • DaveH

        We need to be careful about the convict labor. While it would be perfectly fine for them to grow their own food, if they are required to do productive, worthwhile labor for outside benefit, that would make it even more lucrative for Government to jail us for any reason they can muster. If the labor has no commercial value, it would be okay.

  • http://www.reformdc.com nax777

    The crack can be filled without the USDA.

    The US reached a zero population growth in the mid 80’s our leaders increased their yearly appetite for immigration. The legal yearly immigration rate went from 100,000 to 1,000,000. From the years 2000 to 2010 our leader’s yearly appetite for legal immigration grew to 3,000,000. At present levels the US population will swell another 130 million to 442 million by 2040! This is a very conservative estimate. US immigration rate is the sole reason for overpopulation in the US today and tomorrow!

    It is irrational to think that any nation can save more than a hand full of people from overpopulated poorer nation. Especially when most refuse to change their life style and blame the Jones’s for their plight.
    It is irrational to call mom a Nazi A. hole for giving people a ride back home to keep her home from overpopulation. It is irrational to think that any single payer social program will work best. It is irrational to think that nations can tax its way out of poverty. It is irrational to believe that a power convinced that you have nowhere else to go will do your biding.

    No one is going to stand in their way the template to convince people that a rational person is a very sick or stupid SOB must be removed first. And only you can remove yours.

    People will not take in grandma, or their disabled neighbor long enough to break the social network of chains that separate us. It does not have to come to that, yet! The working class can be forced to plan for their life without a single payer plan. We must meet with our fellow citizens, listen and share ideas.

    A true Conservative and a true Liberal agree on one thing though for different reasons. Any single payer social program is a nutty idea! Now each believes that it’s not so nutty as long as their side is managing it.

    We can destroy the power by replacing them with citizens that can be immediately removed by citizens should they grow a greedy bone and never serve for a life time. We must take control ourselves. Please join with us at Goooh.com you might be able to click on my name. This will take you to my link page that links to Goooh.com, NumbersUSA.com and SBA-list.org.

    P.S. Have you heard of “you cut” majorityleader.gov/YouCut/

  • V. McIntyre

    If running around and checking on small businesses such as this young man raising and selling rabbits to learn a work ethic, and rewards from his labor, we do no need the department of agriculture. We could eliminate the whole bunch of then, and think how much less this government would cost us in taxes!!!!!!!!!!

    No wonder our country knee deep in red ink!!!!!!!!! Lets get rid of the whole bunch of them, including “mo bama.”

    Virgil M

  • Raggs

    Oh… the Bugs Bunny police so it looks like Elemr Fudd finally wins.

    • 45caliber

      Shuuuu! I’m huntin’ wabbits!!

  • Tim

    If the agent really had their interest in mind he would have dropped off the forms and helped. Licensing businesses is a rig moral and expensive. I wouldn’t say that rampant of breeding and uncontrolled situations (that do occur) be allowed but rather a scenario where by economic growth and self reliance be encouraged. Otherwise you have the tail wagging the dog, growing bureaucracy justifying itself.

    I have spent, months, years, overcoming bureaucracy that is unnecessary and duplicitous that should require a couple of meetings, getting info and applying at one location. I am still on one project after 3 years to benefit children, nothing other than permission required from local govt. The other we got a final permission yesterday and it will mean 350 jobs. We had to get permits on building from 12 depts in different locations….. It shows a lack of direction and objectives from the governing body.

    • 45caliber

      I know exactly what you mean!

  • American Taxpayer

    If he was raising the rabbits for food, they should be inspected to be certain that they were being feed plenty of antibiotics, dead and diseased animal parts and plenty of dirty water while living in very tight pens. I believe that’s the way chickens in China are being raised that we’re now allow to import. The chicken industry petitioned Congress to lift the ban on the import of Chinese chickens.

    • ValDM

      That’s how chickens in the U.S. are being raised. Have you ever been to a chicken farm? No, I’m not talking about the house of ill repute, but the kind of farm where what you put on your plate is actally raised. You can smell it long before you can see it. And if you can smell it from that far away, you can bet that the so-caaled sanitary conditions they brag about aren’t all that.

      • 45caliber

        I used to raise chickens in chicken houses for sale. Basically there is a fixed size of house depending upon the number it is to hold. The owner places about 6 inches of sawdust or similar on the floor and brings in the chicks. They are fed and watered around the clock with lights on at night. At three months of age, they are picked up and hauled to a plant to be turned into food.

        Does the chicken house smell? Yes. So do the chickens. How do you propose to keep it spotless? Worse, how do you propose to bathe the chickens when they don’t bathe themselves? To try to keep such things spotless, the industry has to put the animals/chickens into small cages and hose them down daily. Then you complain about the tight quarters.

        I think your real complaint is that we actually eat them. If you don’t want to eat them, feel free to ignore them. I do eat them. Man was made to be omnivorous. If you prefer to be a vegetarian, that’s your problem. Incidently, do you hear those beans scream when you drop them into boiling water?? They aren’t dead yet, like the chickens are…

        • Dan az

          45
          I read some where a guy actually recorded the screams of a plant when it was cut.So I sent it to my sister that is a vegetarian.Probably wasn’t one of my best decisions but it felt right at the moment.

          • 45caliber

            I think the whole idea is to get us onto artificial food anyway. Some chemical plant can make it to “save” the environment – the plants and animals we normally eat. It would also put all the farmers and ranchers out of business. One of the environmentalist goals is for all humans to live in high-rise apartment complexes with a high wall around it (ever see the movie “Judge Dredd”?) and never be allowed to leave it. Except for them of course. They would live in ranch style houses and ride horses around the country to make sure the environment was doing okay.

          • DaveH

            Soylent Green?

        • ValDM

          Never said I was vegetarian…..stop making ASSumptions. I too, have been on the raising end of chickens, but these were kept in a yard, with small “hut” type shelters. I always thought a chicken tasted better with humane treatment, than one that was kept as a prisoner.

    • MNIce

      Some of you guys live too far away from the farm. The USDA banned the routine dosage of antibiotics (especially to chickens) because it was selecting for antibiotic-resistant varieties of bacteria. If you dose an animal with antibiotics, it cannot be sold for meat for a certain period of time thereafter.

      Just like a blind squirrel sometimes finds a nut, the USDA sometimes has a good idea. The problem is the only way it knows to carry it out is with a hammer. If one hammer doesn’t do the job, just get a bigger one. That’s the hazard of deferring power to a central government. You want your bureaucrats to be answerable to a representative who is close enough that you can grab his lapels for a discussion of respect for your rights.

      • DaveH

        The commonly accepted mechanism amongst researchers is that the resistant bacteria thrive after the antibiotics kill off their competition. So, by saying that, they are admitting that the resistant bacteria already exist. If they already exist, what keeps the resistant bacteria from spreading when antibiotics aren’t in the equation? Nothing.

  • Raggs

    You realize folks this is just the beginning… I expect Flea markets, vegetable stands and yard sells to see this type of harrasment….

    • 45caliber

      I agree. In fact, some cities now require a permit to have a yard sale. Why? Most yard sales I’ve seen are lucky to make a hundred dollars. Why should the city have to provide a permit?

      • independant thinker

        The small town I lived in before I moved to the country required yard sale permits. You could get I believe 4 for free but after that you had to pay for them. The stated purpose was to prevent people from making yard sales a business (having one every other week which some did). I am not agreeing or dissagreeing with the policy just noting the whys and wherefores of it.

      • Waldomountainman

        The answer can be very simple, if you live in a middle class neighborhood how would you like it if your neighbor decided to make a busniess out of maintaining a 24/7 yard sale busniess operated out of his garage, all he would have to do is roll up the door every morning and drag out the goods onto the front lawn and be set up for the day. Dont laugh cause I have seen it happen.
        This has happened to someone in this environment and they complained so thus their local leaders created the license requirement to control it.
        Bottom line is most of these laws/regulations are actually created due to demand by the public for such protections. Remember Mad Cow???
        Be careful what you ask for.

    • Cawmun Cents

      BRING BACK TAR AND FEATHERING…HAW!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Sshh, don’t give them any more ideas.

  • Lawrence Cox

    Here you have a man trying to teach his son responsibility and the the gov’ment says NO! YOU NEED A LICENSE AND YOU NEED TO PAY TAXES! What a crock! What if the lad came upon a family recipe for a lemonade drink that was beyond compare? Better than anyone in the world had ever tasted? I bet you the gov’ment would require him to get a patent on the recipe then tax him on ALL the drinks he sold outside his house. What a ripoff!

    • independant thinker

      ” tax him on ALL the drinks he sold outside his house. What a ripoff!”

      That happened somewhere.

    • jibbs

      There was nothing in the article about taxe’s.

    • 45caliber

      There have been several cases I’ve seen in the news in the last year or so about kids getting ticketed for having a lemonade stand without a city permit. One was in Florida. The city did back down but they tried. And if you were to come up with a formula for an excellent lemonaid, better than anyone else, you would not only have to patent it but also sell it to some corporation so they could get any profit from it.

  • Denis

    Who are you kidding?? I have had many contacts with politicians and slways get a political feel-good answer. Then they speak with a constituent from the other side and agree with his point-of-view and don’t do jackshit. Vigilant must have too much starch in his undies?!

    • Vigilant

      Denis, I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, and I’m confident you don’t have a clue as to what I wrote.

      I spoke nothing about politicians or their BS. Where do you get that from my posting?

      I am as much against the encroachment of government into our daily lives and freedom as any Conservative or Libertarian. But I demand complete honesty of argument on both sides of any question.

      Mr. Livingston left out factual information that now, thanks to my posting, is being addressed by respondents on this site. His statement, “Their crime: They sold more than $500 worth of rabbits in a calendar year” is demonstrably false. That statement incorrectly asserts that government has made it a crime to sell more than the dollar threshhold of $500 worth of rabbits a year.

      Investigation shows that it had nothing to do with the dollar limit, but had everything to do with the failure to obtain a license. Now I’ll take on that abuse by the government any day, plus the myriad of other onerous government regulations that abridge our freedoms, but I’ll not attempt to convince anyone that the problem is about a dollar threshhold alone.

      • 45caliber

        Vigilant:

        I take your meaning – and I disagree with it. They should NOT have to get a license for that small a business! The government should not even have the right to license these things.

        I could see them investigating the lack of care of some animal. Near us, someone put over twenty horses and cattle, and then stopped feeding them. They were discovered when the buzzards were noticed. Where was the government agent? Not here! But when it is obvious the animals are healthy and cared for, why are they involved? Why aren’t they where they are needed?

        • Vigilant

          45caliber,

          “They should NOT have to get a license for that small a business! The government should not even have the right to license these things.”

          I never argued in that direction, in fact, if you re-read my posting, you’ll see that we agree.

      • Cawmun Cents

        Just leave it alone and let it die bruh…semantics are rarely worth the time and effoert to argue.

        • Vigilant

          Kindly refer to your dictionary for the definition of “semantics” before you misuse the word. It was never about semantics, it’s about the omission of facts that had a bearing on the argument.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Why are you nit picking today? You have a great site to post your ideas, don’t help to destroy it.

      • Jazzabelle

        But the requirement to obtain a license may or may not have applied to that farmer, Vigilant. Do you know that it did? On what basis do you apply that particular regulation to that particular person? Do you know something about this particular case that no-one else knows?

        • Vigilant

          “But the requirement to obtain a license may or may not have applied to that farmer, Vigilant. Do you know that it did? On what basis do you apply that particular regulation to that particular person? Do you know something about this particular case that no-one else knows?”

          No, dear, I know what’s reported in the news. A simple check of the link I initilly provided will clear up all your questions.

          • Jazzabelle

            No, your article did not address that question at all, and YOU sir seem to have completely missed the point.

            The point is that a license is ONLY required if the individuals ran a company (with a TIN) or engaged in commerce as a federal agency trust (with a SSN). Otherwise they DO NOT fall under the regulation that requires a license. The article didn’t even mention this and offered NO evidence at all that the family selling rabbits met these criteria.

            So, anyone who says “They needed a license and broke the law because they didn’t have one,” is engaged either in slander or in giving legal advice (or both), until they can prove whether that regulation applied to this family based on the actual facts of this family’s case.

          • Jazzabelle

            P.S. – There may be other contracts which would require licensing as well; I didn’t provide an exhaustive list above. But the point is that the licensing requirement doesn’t apply to you unless you’ve voluntarily entered a contract agreeing to be bound by those requirements.

            Oh, and nothing I say on these forums is legal advice. :-)

            Jazzabelle
            Live Free! – http://teamlaw.org

      • Tom S

        Vigilant
        I think your nit-picking and over reacting to the article. Did Livingston leave out some info? Yes. Was it info that would have changed the tenor of the post? No. The relivent facts were there and have been and are being debated. Your creating a tempest in a teacup, and for what? A Gotcha!!!moment, that ultimeatly serves no purpose.

        • libertytrain

          Amen, ain’t that the truth.

          • Vigilant

            Tom and libertytrain,

            See my above comment, please.

  • Linda

    They should reorganize as a non-profit rabbit rescue facility whereby they take in unwanted rabbits and adopt them out. Of course that would mean those who adopt would have to pay a fee to reimburse the reascue for the expense of rehabilitating the animal. I’m just saying.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      How many more “phony do-gooders” groups do you want?

  • http://aol.com sean murrey

    what a crock of [expletive deleted].

  • Elevenarrows

    Our founding fathers never envisioned a country in which the government would harass youthful (or older) entrepreneurship. We own two small businesses, one of which is a farm. Those of you who think the USDA gives you a degree of protection from disease, contamination, etc. are ignorant of the facts. While they are worrying about the speck of rust on that boy’s rabbit cage, CAFOs are operating in totally disgusting ways. Most of you would not dare to eat the food in the grocery stores if you took the time to educate yourself on where it comes from and how it is handled. Ironic that everyone gets all in a tizzy over contaminated organic spinach, but gobbles down the other stuff. The government should not be responsible for regulating our food. The consumer should take the time to know the source of his food and make his choices accordingly. This is just another area in which Americans have, for the most part, become content to have Big Brother lead them by the hand like a child. Grow up.

    • ValDM

      Thank you. I agree about knowing the source of your food, especially meat. If you’re serious about knowing where your food come from & how it’s processed go here:
      http://www.eatwild.com

  • Pete

    $90,643.00 fine sure is going to teach Dollarhite’s son a thing ot two ! Those crazy US Agriculture Agents sure have come a long way from “Hank Kimball” in the TV series “Green Acres” ! It seems they aren’t their to “help”. I reckon them agents are just trying to help payoff the national debt with all these outrages fines …

  • pete0097

    It is amazing that, although they do have jurisdiction over farm animals, that they do have time to investigate and prosecute a kids pet business instead of inspecting farms that produces and processes FOOD for all of us. I would prefer the inspectors time be spent looking at the meat packers, crop pickers, threshers, etc, than WASTE their time with pets (and I include horses, dogs, and cats) I guess that it is the same attitude that police have. They would rather give out speeding tickets to soccer moms than track down drug trafficers as the soccer moms are less likely to shoot first and run away.

  • Elevenarrows

    Alan,

    You have some creative ideas,but I have one major concern. Considering the fact that we have a government–particularly an executive branch–that completely ignores constitutional boundaries and limitations, aren’t you concerned that good, honest, innocent Americans will soon flood our prisons? Let’s not forget the two brave Border Patrol officers that were imprisoned for protecting us during President Bush’s tenure.Let’s not forget the Missouri guidelines that were leaked which labeled patriotic, conservative Americans as possible terrorist threats. I have no confidence that innocent Americans will not soon be targeted by the Administration for things as simple as talking on this blog! Since they can lock us up and throw away the key and we have no hope in much of the judiciary these days, I’m hesitant to have such harsh remedies on the books such as placing all prisons under federal control. I can’t think of one department the federal government has handled well…maybe the military in the past, but certainly not now.For me, I’ll have to trust these things to the states since that leaves me the option of voting with my feet….I can move to another state if one state decides to usurp reason and freedom.

    • 45caliber

      Elevenarrows:

      You have to realize – those two Border agents broke the cardinal law of government and needed to be punished.

      They didn’t file a report.

  • Cashpockets

    For the most part, many of the Government Regulating Organizations only serve to better the Big Corporation’s Interests.

  • 45caliber

    I raised rabbits in my youth for money. We had about 45 does and 4-5 bucks. We would sell about 100 bunnies for meat and fur to a dealer each month for several months (at $1 a rabbit). I finally sold out since I was in high school and my parents had moved away to take a job elsewhere. About a month later the dealer closed so those still with rabbits basically ate them. They were good to eat and I’ve eaten them since.

    The cages had to be a certain size? What? A quarter inch too small? That’s going to harm the rabbit? Rust spots? How does rust on a feed pan harm the rabbit? It sounds as if someone is letting their position go to their heads – or Bob is right and the government is wanting to use this “example” as a way to attack other people raising animals. Besides the fine is ridiculous. That figures out to a fine of about $180 per $10 dollar animal.

    • Cawmun Cents

      Yes but I notice that Vigilant isnt arguing that part of the story…hmmmm

      • independant thinker

        I think Vigilant has a knot in his knickers and can not figure out how to remove it.

        • independant thinker

          Or maybe jovi has hi-jacked the name.

  • Al Sieber

    Well, I better be careful selling chickens and fresh eggs, the Gestapo is watching. I already have been in trouble with the USDA before, for nothing.

    • 45caliber

      Al:

      Unfortunately, you’d better be careful. I’d bet that there is some USDA offical out there that would love to bust you …

      • Al Sieber

        Well 45, the SOB has to find me first, but you’re right.

  • JKO

    Just a couple of points here:
    1. The article link that Vigilant posted is still second hand information, by definition. I had a friend who was arrested once (in a small town in California). The fact that he was arrested was in the paper, but he was NEVER interviewed for his side of the story. The police in this case had lied. I was there and saw it with my own eyes.
    2. This site, as I understand it is opinion and Mr. Livingston is giving his opinion. If you don’t like his opinion don’t read what he has to say. But my opinion is not wrong for me so don’t call me an idiot or anything else because you disagree.
    3. Our government has too much power to regulate. One person posted that if the rabbits had been sick everyone would have been upset. This is a good point except that it was a long time after the rabbits were sold before this was caught so the disease would have been out there already. If I am buying an animal (or anything else) it is my responsibility to make sure it is OK – take it to the vet, etc.

  • jibbs

    Maybe you should do your homework first also. Here is the Missouri law on selling eggs. It took me 1 minute to locate it. Maybe check your own state rules.

    http://mda.mo.gov/animals/health/inspections/
    http://mda.mo.gov/weights/device/pdf/eggrequirementsforfm.pdf

  • JAY L IN COLORADO

    I don’t believe you would need a liscense to sell a rabbit if you don’t butcher it to sell. You don’t need a license to feed & sell livestock if you don’t butcher it prior to sale. USDA has no reason to even
    inspect your property unless you are doing the killing, and butchering prior to selling.

    • JKO

      Excellent point Jay

    • jibbs

      Sorry, but you are incorrect, cattle for sale

      http://mda.mo.gov/animals/health/inspections/

      As far as rabbits, the man sold 4,000 to 5,000 in one year by his own addmission, for meat and for re-sale at retail stores. Has anyone done any research to what the law is, besides me? Hell, would you like to talk to my neighbor, he sell intrastate and interstate. He deals with the USDA and the Missouri Dept of Agriculter.

      • JAY L IN COLORADO

        Well Jibbs
        I have bought,fed & sold cattle & hogs for many years, the only gov’t man I had to deal with was the brand inspector.
        When I sold them at auction or if I hauled them to the Killer. The packing plant had to deal with the USDA inspector. & I had to pay the tax if I ever made
        a profit. So I quit because of taxes and it got to hard to make any profit.

      • 45caliber

        I’m not sure where you got that figure. All I saw was 500 in one year.

  • jibbs

    I just sold some goats, steers, lambs, and rabbits to a grocery store near YOU, I can’t remember if they were healthy or not! But hey, don’t worry! So I’m over the 500 limit and have no licence or inspections, what could go wrong. Like I said, I don’t care for the government, but I like safe food and there are laws on the books at this point in time….like it or not. And NO, I don’t like big government.

    • JKO

      Jibbs you do make a good point. The only thing I will add is that govt. regulation has basically taken the nutritional value out of most of our food. So while I may not get sick because of the regs I am still not especially healthy because of those same regs.

    • Kate8

      jibbs – What you are not getting is that big government does not protect you from unhealthy produce. In fact, they are in bed with the very corporate producers who shoot animals up with vile things, pour foot directly into their stomachs from a tube in their sides, confine them to filthy, overcrowded pens and feed them GMO, hormone and antibiotic laden feed.

      Wake up, man. You are much safer with the small producer, who has far more control and more often really care for their animals.

      • jibbs

        You and RKO missed my point. The topic was if the man was licenced. He was not, under missouri law you don’t need a lic. if you gross $500.00 or less, Dollarhite admitted he sold 619 rabbits at 10 to 12 dollrs each. 619 X $10.00= $6,190.00, well over $500.00 He sold them for meat and to pet stores for resale for re-sale. By law, he is required to have a licence. I’m sorry if nobody on here like’s it, but thats the law here in Missouri. There are over 40 cattle ranches in a 25 mile radius of my home including my neighbors. I have 3 calves, but I can only raise and butcher them for myself, and a record of weight, breed and owner must be kept. However, I can sell them as a calf to a private person to be raised, then they can have them butchered. All I’m saying is the man was wrong, and should have checked to see what the laws are, I didn’t make them, but we have to follow them.

        • Vicki

          Jibbs writes:
          “He was not, under missouri law you don’t need a lic. if you gross $500.00 or less, ”

          If it was a Missouri law that he violated why is the USDA involved? Oh and do provide a link for vigilant. He seems to think that Mr. Livingston is in error about the selling more than $500 in rabbit.

        • Kate8

          jibbs – So, if the licensing isn’t to insure food safety, then it’s just about control (and to make sure no one makes a dime that doesn’t get reported and taxed), and infringes on our liberty.

    • Cawmun Cents

      That would be highly unlikely since the grocery store in my neighborhood buys from their privately owned stock.But hey….folks lived and died eating unregulated produce and livestock for thousands of years before the food and drug administration came along,and still do in most other places in the world….just a passing fancy.

  • Elevenarrows

    With all due respect, it shouldn’t matter if you ARE butchering it. We have butchered our own meat and meat for friends and family for almost 20 years. The government should not be in the business of regulating or inspecting anything that is an agreement/contract between two parties. If I want to buy some of my neighbor’s squash and they want me to provide them with grass-fed beef, it should be between the two of us. Our founders would not believe we have a third party looking over our shoulders for such transactions. Who would have ever believed our country would require us to stick a computer chip in a chicken?! Enough is enough and others should be careful or at least reluctant to call criminal those of us who recognize insanity when we see it. Track a chicken today and a kid tomorrow…

    • jibbs

      What state do you live in?

      • Cawmun Cents

        The state of denial.Ever been there?They dont like government intrusion on every small matter.And furthermore wish that others would smarten up and view things similarly,before they regulate the size of the piece of toilet paper you can use to wipe with.

        • jibbs

          Please explain what your saying. Once again, all I stated was how it works in Mo. I don’t like it anymore than anyone else, but I have to follow the law or suffer the penalty. Kinda like not paying income tax, what would expect to happen? If I was the federal government, I would whatever I like.

          • 45caliber

            Have you ever tried to CHANGE the law instead of trying to abide by it? That is what the politicians all expect – that you will abide by it regardless of whether it is a bad law or not.

          • Kate8

            45 – What people don’t understand is that bad “laws” are deemed in force by our acceptance and compliance.

            Of course, anymore, our protests mean nothing to them. We’ve allowed this by our inaction.

  • Elevenarrows

    Jibbs, I understand your concerns, but your fundamental jumping off point is that inspections improve food safety. You would not believe the nasty filth that goes on in “inspected” facilities. There is much corruption and a nice bribe will get an inspector to look the other way. I highly recommend you read EVERYTHING I WANT TO DO IS ILLEGAL by Joel Salatin. He does an excellent job in givng a concise picture of what really goes on in the industry. We know Salatin and he is a very good man who is utilizing excellent production models. Those of us who farm and care about the quality of food think very highly of him. Knowing what I know, I will take the “risk” of the local farmer/producer over the gross and disgusting inspected mass-producers anyday.

    • jibbs

      All I did was state how the law works here in Missouri, maybe you should tell me how the law works in your state. I also used a scenario to make a point of what the law was saying as to why the licence is needed. Anyways, the man did not follow the law, made no effort to find out what was required. Just because no one called him back is no reason to say poor me, I got screwed. I’m just tired of defending people that didn’t look before they leaped.
      Lifes tough and even tougher if your stupid–John Wayne

      • JeffH

        jibbs, would you say that the USDA was excessive in the handling of this case and the fines rendered? Wouldn’t the USDA have recieved far less critisizm if they had just told the Dollarhites to shut down their operation or face some stiff fines, say $250 up to $1000 as an example?

        I’m just asking because your response seems to indicate that not only are the Dollarhite’s guilty, which I agree with, but that you’re OK with the excessivness of the fine(s).

        • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

          I believe they shut down the operation when the kid who was “learning responsibility” turned 18.

      • JeffH

        Oh, and jibbs, I haven’t read all of your posts so I may have missed something from you on the fine situation.

  • Raggs

    We are getting numerous postings of “what if” scenario’s pretaining to food saftey from farm raised livestock like the chinese chickens etc… How long will it be until the food police feel the useless need to inspect nondomestic wildlife for person consumption?..
    I fish and hunt, sometimes I give meat to family members and friends.

  • herman richardson

    Here is you a true story ! Have a cousin in Ranger, Texas big city of about 5000 mild mannered folks. Cousin & friend talking in front yard, friend states ” Hope nothing happens in DC like is happening everywhere else” Friend works for Lancer crackers delivering to stores. In the am of the following morning, friend was pulled over, in his Lancer truck, every package was ripped open, he was strip searched, no reason given. You figure it out!!

    • Raggs

      I would certainly avoided cousin the rat fink lowlife scumbag.

      • herman richardson

        Raggs: Forgot the rest of the story, the cousin’s house was stripped, car impounded, neither one of these folks are the enemy, my question is how did they know what was said?? In a town no bigger than ranger, can they listen to us thru the air or what??

    • Raggs

      That brings up a question… o has just hired a media and internet watchdog by the name of jessie lee that reports to o any dissent…
      I wonder how many people will be jailed for saying something that o doesn’t like?

  • Waldomountainman

    If you Google Dollarvalue Rabbitry you will find the blogisphere is alive with this story and per this site the Fed.s seem to be caving into public pressure on the fine they assesed. It does seem the story told by Dollarhite tends to vary with each rendition but I am glad they might be getting closer to a resolution.
    http://bobmccarty.com/2011/05/24/usda-appears-to-be-caving-on-rabbit-fines/

  • JeffH

    I have to take issue with Vigilant’s take on Mr. Livingston’s commentary. There is nowhere, in my opinion, that Mr. Livingston erred. He cited that his source of information was from the blog Bungalow Bill’s Conservative Wisdom.

    As anyone here should know, it’s important to do a bit of your own investigative research on the subject of discussion. Having done that, the USDA is overreachingng and bulling the Dollarhite’s in this issue. That’s not the first time we’ve read about government bureaucracies acting this way.

    Was Dollarhite guilty of operating without a license? Yes, no problem with that. Did the Dollarhite’s shut down their family operation when informed that they were in violation? Yes! The USDA has placed a heavy boot on the neck of the Dollarhites to the tune of $90,643 for their lack of a licensing with the threat of close to $4 million in penalties if the payment isn’t received in full and on time.

    A little bit excessive and over reaching ya thing? All of this happening on the heals of the raw milk and cheese debacles and the USDA going onto the property of a Pennsylvania Amish farmer without permission, claiming to be conducting an investigation.

    Does anybody see a pattern to this government? What happened to the days of “get a license or shut her down”, agencies working with you, to help you succeed, rather than the strong arm, bullying and threatening tactics.

    We now see the Feds suing states, the DOJ refusing to investigate or prosecute voter intimidators, threatening to prosecute other Federal Government agency employees. What is happening here is that we the people no longer matter to these pompous “we are the law” bureaucracies and their overpaid minions. The rule of Chicago thugs is more appropriate.

    These agencies(FDA/USDA)insatiable lust for power and control over private affairs is never satisfied, as they continue to prowl around like bloodthirsty predators seeking whoever and whatever they can devour. When will Americans finally stand up to their tyranny and say enough is enough?

    • Raggs

      The trouble here is that most sheeple hear of a story like this and decide for themselves that “this is not my problem” and they go on in their marry happy little cave they live in.

    • JeffH

      Vigilant, although I don’t agree with your assessment of Bob’s delivery and his comments, I see some healthy dissagreements going on around here today, with a mininmum of “liberal or commie” disruption. I haven’t read all of the comments but that’s what I’m getting from the posts I have read. We don’t always agree but I do respect you.

      • Al Sieber

        I second that, for now.

  • i41

    People you are seeing the results of Wilson and FDR’s soocialist engineering of food production. The first registered communist Sec Of Ag. who believed in complete government control of all food production, start to finish, and now what choices we have choose from to eat. It used to be possible to sell a quarter of a beef or a half a hog, sell a processed chicken to a customer, but that was ended, unless approved by government idiots. Then government pukes in an agency decided you can not sell hanging weight meat, even if it was process and killed in approve government locker plant. So to by pass the government wonk requirements of buying process meat in a store, I sold the animal on the hoof and charged the customer for transportation to a approved locker plant, and the customer must take the whole animal. Any stupid moron that has voted for any democrat communist/marxist, is just getting a payed back for their numskulled vote. I blame several of my close relatives who still vote for the socialist puke canidates in any election. In the 60′ chicken production was vertically intergrated and still is in getting tighter control by one producer/processor. Pork production was intergrated totally in the mid 90′s from birth to the plate by one producer/processor. The latest is the push to do the same with beef, by eliminating private producers, sale barns to limit price fixing by anyone can bid, eliminating private operated feedlots,private owned processing lockers, and ending private selling of any food grown on privat property. It is all in favor of a group of elitists of Wall Street types, forming a livestock conglomerate to decide what type and breed composite, that will be produced by farm hands(wage earning workers), at a certain weight the animals will be sent to a conglomerate owned feed lot, when finished growing, the livestock will go to one of the conglomerate owned packing plants, end product will go to a mega conglomerate store chain, product will be paid for as product leaves the store. Think I’m blowing smoke, in the 60′s the Oppenhiemer organization was starting a program of having some one take their approved cattle to my place, to calve and raise them until a certain weaning weigh is reached, only I had to be paid by the month and could not keep any of the females as part of my wage, a beginning of the common wage earner. Now it is really being pushed for beef, chicken and pork control has already has a complished, on (phony) contract raising systems with the contractor having to put up expensive buildings and using and buying only approved company feed, and if weight is not up to the paper pushers goal, contract is terminated and owner is left sitting with the debt. Since there is only one game in town, he is screwed. Owner can not produce any other animals because he has no place to sell the produce. Same goes for pork production since the late 60′s when it was tried. There is mega feedlots that have already signed up to finish the livestock, and since there is only 3 packing plants, individual beef producers are getting hosed with limited outlets and more new regulations coming. One mega store that has already signed on with the plan is Wal-Mart 3 years ago. Grain production has gone the same way with Con-Ag, ADM, and a couple other mega grain companies. The Conservation Reserve Program for landowners has only given more power to the government and wiped out 2 generations of food producers. private grain producers are getting over powered by beltway idiot paper pushers and the needed worthless paper work they have to abide with. I would like to see Bob Livingston do a piece on the worthlessness of government of paying land owners playing under the multi government programs on the same peice of ground to receive free payments to do nothing to get ittaxpayers’ money.

    • Dan az

      i41
      I would to!Good post by the way!

    • mikwilly

      ditto! Good info

    • 45caliber

      i41:

      Back in the 60′s the various land owners would build their own chicken house, buy chicks, and sell the grown chickens to the local processing plant. But that went away. The only place you could buy chickens, feed, and medication was from the processing plant (Tyson’s). It got to the point that no one could make any money after you paid for the stuff and then had to take the money they offered to get rid of the chickens. If you weren’t very lucky, you would actually lose money. You couldn’t get paid for your time.

      So everyone quit. Tyson’s then made contracts with some farmers to raise the chickens but were paid a simple wage. Tyson’s provided everything. Now the biggest problem is getting rid of the chicken manure after the chickens are hauled off. The enviornmentalists insist that it can’t be used on gardens or fields (despite being the best fertilizer around) because it might wash off and pollute rivers. Processed fertilizer you buy is okay to use, however. It’s like weed poison down here. If it gets off your place, you can get in trouble – but the county sprays all their ditches with it.

      • Al Sieber

        You got that right, I remember those days.

  • ONTIME

    Good thing it wasn’t that poisonus lemonade sold from a stand in front of the house.

    Bobby Unser got lost in a snow mobiling excursion and was thought to be one who violated a wilderness zone. It was never proved conclusively by the park police, the fed judge agreed to “guilty before proven innocent” and Unser and his friend after almost dying due to exposure were fined and threatened with jail time by the park system. The snow mobile was never recovered for evidence or seen, all this was done on the word and suspcion of the park police.

    For some time now the government and environmental groups have been buying up all kinds of open land that were once public use and then they ban any kind of activity by use of environmental fraud and the US government supports their land grab…..If you don’t believe this country needs to get control of this government again, then you need a head examination.

    • Dan az

      ONTIME
      I have a friend that was sued by the forestry for fixing the dirt road going to his least land, for not getting a permit for a environmental study first.When tending his cattle in the rain his tracks and the forestry tracks that had made ruts in the road was getting to deep, so he took his tractor there and fixed them.He had to go to court and hire an attorney to plead his case.He did win his case but it took months of fighting the system to do it at great cost to him.It seems that we have lost common sense in allowing the guvmnt to insure our safety and by not demanding that they be held responsible for their actions.

    • 45caliber

      The government buys or takes thousands of acres of land a year. One bird club here wants the government to take 50,000 acres of “old timber” to “save the timber”. What they really want is an enclosed area where no one else can go so they can gain new members when they go bird watching there. And the “old timber”? Well, if you look, you might find an old tree in every five to ten acres – usually in someone’s yard.

  • Alonso

    Wait until the IRS decides that they can get a foot into this mess.

  • Elevenarrows

    Jibbs,
    I understand that you were sharing the laws of your state and not necessarily condoning them. My point was that some laws governing food, farmer, consumer, home production, etc. violate the Constitution and should never have been put into practice. For Americans who sincerely want to obey the Constitution and enjoy/practice the freedoms that are granted us by God (not gov’t), the dilemma then becomes, do we or do we not obey laws that are written in direct opposition to the highest law in the land…which, technically, is the Constitution? The list of current laws and court rulings that violate the Constitution is very long. Scenario: if government requires that we all turn in our guns, do we do so since that obviously infringes upon our right to bear arms? Many of us would place our safety in the hands of the Constitution in that situation. Those of us (and I don’t mean to imply you are not included)that strongly feel that it is unconstitutional for the Gov’t to be involved in our most basic efforts to feed our families are left having to determine which law to obey…the legal ones or the ones that usurp authority not given in the Constitution???

    • Dan az

      Elevenarrows
      Very well put.We have lost our ability to control those who try do dictate that our freedoms only are given to us by the guvmnt and not God.The overpowering reaches of the guvmnt to control all things is foremost their agenda and we have only the ballot box to change our employees.Their agenda is almost complete.

    • 45caliber

      The real problem with these laws is that the state has an unlimited amount of money (from our taxes) with which to fight any attempt to get these laws declared unConstitutional. We on the other hand have a limited amount of money after we pay our bills, etc. They know this. So if any real attempt is made to challenge them, they either file a suit we can’t fight or actually charge us with some offense. One judge in west Texas charged two men for “harrassment” when they challenged him and sentenced them to about 12 years in the pen. (That was about fifteen years ago). He was approving the taking of million dollar ranches for $10,000 loans his law firm were making. The two men were telling the ranchers that they could take only $10,000 worth of land. He didn’t like that.

  • Raggs

    I think that I know why the chicken crossed the road…

    • Dan az

      Raggs
      Ok.But do you know which came first the chicken or the egg?

      • DaveH

        If you believe in Evolution (I do), then it would be the egg with the mutated embryo contained inside.

        • Raggs

          evolution is a myth, it falls in the same category as global warming..

          • DaveH

            God is a myth. The adult Santa Claus.

        • Jay

          How do you account and explain biological information. Information is a by-product of intelligence, there is no other source! Evolution? Big stretch, no offence!

          • DaveH

            You want a big stretch? How about an all powerful supernatural being who always was and always will be?
            Any of you who have read enough of my comments knows I don’t just accept anything blindly. I have seen both sides of the evolution issue (biology degree, raised a Catholic), and I’m convinced we’ve had evolution. Don’t think it’s possible? Think about all the engineered breeds of animals that have been created in just the last 100 years. Now think about nature dealing with that over millions of years.

          • Jay

            Dave, how can finite comprehend infinite?

          • Jay

            Are you saying nature is self-created and is an intelligent agent with the ability to create life?

          • Jay

            Dave says: Think about all the engineered breeds of animals that have been created in just the last 100 years.

            Dave, the engineering that produced or created the breeds of animals was made possible by an intelligent human agency. More specifically, through the manipulation of the product already available!

            Dave says: Now think about nature dealing with that over millions of years.

            Dave, might you be confusing nurture with creation?

        • Nadzieja Batki

          No one explained how the mutated embryo took care of itself after it hatched.

          • DaveH

            It was raised by a pack of wolves. Just kidding.
            Think of a parent with a deformed child. Do they just throw the child away? Of course not.
            The vast majority of mutations are non-viable. The organism dies. Some of those that are viable survive and multiply, and some just survive.

      • Raggs

        Thats easy… It would have to be the chicken, an egg would not have been able to care for itself….

        • DaveH

          Something laid that egg. Chances are that something will take care of it.

          • Al Sieber

            Dave, maybe a dinosaur laid that egg, chickens, and other birds are related to dinosaurs.

  • http://FUonline Edgar Freindly

    I read another version of this story that the USDA acually only asked to look at the rabbits…any aware citizen given a choice should beg off with some realistic excuse why they don’t have time to allow a noy government agent to inspect something they have no legal business looking at in the first place. Hopefully, any judge hearing this will dismiss it for the bureaucratic nonsense it is….barring that: local citizenry should protest/and/or just lynch the offending USDA ‘field’ agent as a message to the federal government that it’s socialist dream of tyranny is OVER!

    • 45caliber

      If the FDA can have an agent buy raw milk from an Amish farmer legally in Penn., then haul it across a state line after buying it and then charge the farmer with selling out of state, then they can do this too.

  • jopa

    I sure hope John Dollarhites son decided to go to college after all this.John sure did teach his son he doesn’t know Jack squat about business and needs education from other sources.Everyone has different ways to teach their young and this one is a little different.

    • Raggs

      It didn’t do you any good!

    • Jay

      jopa, maybe you can teach his Son, it sounds like you sure know a lot about running a business! Btw, Do you run a business?

    • 45caliber

      jopa:

      And you believe that a college can teach you how to set up and run a business? Not any more!

    • libertytrain

      How can they even think of college with the new amount of money they now owe – Kid will have to work 2 jobs just to help dad pay this off, then maybe take a night class now and then, if he’s lucky…..

  • John R. Harbison

    It’s not that we have lost common sence, It’s just like Mr. Livingston’s rabbit example. Bid Goverment trying to take over from every angle they can. I just spent all morning in a local cattlemen’s meeting. I can not belive some of the loops and hoops the Gov. org’s has people jumping through. It has nothing to do with common sence. Goverment people have common sence, there smart people, they just won’t to control our ever move. We are not virgins to this, it has happened to many a country.Look up and see what happened to countrys when the Gov. took away there guns, ect. I am not good at puting words on paper and I usely don’t but I just got a little more than a bit stired-up when Mr. Livingston was trying to give us and example and someone else jumps in trying to lead us off in a different direction

    • Raggs

      It’s all about the fundamentals of life, the rights GOD gave us all.
      It all comes full circle in one form or the other… The point being about the chicken and the eggs is no matter which way you think the government has NO right deciding for you.

      • Dan az

        Raggs

        You got it!

    • Dan az

      John
      Sometimes people here just want to find someone or something to argue about.Don’t take them to seriously just ignore them like I do.And by the way I never wrote anything not even a letter until I came here.Keep up the good fight.

    • 45caliber

      John:

      I agree. It all makes me remember a case in Wyoming some years ago. Some group in California convinced the feds that instead of allowing the ranchers to shoot coyotes, they should castrate the coyote males to cut down on births.

      When they were telling the ranchers this in a big meeting in Wyoming, one sheep rancher got up. He said, “I don’t believe that you people understand our problems with the coyotes. The coyotes are killing our sheep, not trying to rape them.”

      • DaveH

        How about castrating the Liberal environmentalists instead so they don’t multiply?

  • LiarsMustBeDefeated

    Vigiant is a LIAR and a COMMUNIST mole. My vote is for Bob.

  • Kief

    Good neighbors…

    The USDA is an appointed bureaucracy…it is not a part of the Constitutionally mandated three branches of the Federal Government. The overly broad enforcement powers granted to these so-called “Federal Bureaucracies” is not constitutionally legal.

    The Dollarhites were not engaged in interstate nor international trade. Therefore the Federal Government had no authority whatsoever to interfere in their business. The State of Missouri does have that authority…and is the proper and constitutionally legal Governmental body to address any and all of the aspects of this case. Albeit taxes, animal cruelty concerns, sanitation, sales, and/or transportation. Period.

    Now, if anyone can show me in the Constitution, Bill of Rights, or subsequent amendments to the Constitution where the Federal Government has any jurisdiction in this case whatsoever…I will eat my words and apologize to the forum…with this codicil…the current body of Federal statutes is *always* subservient to the foundation document of America’s “Law of the Land”, the Constitution.

    Our Forebears / Founders fought their “valid under law ruling Government” in a do-or-die Revolution over overweening Governmental micro-management and control issues *just like this one*…

    Personally…I am not one of the current herd of “sheeple” that are being herded by our Government, bleating “politically correct catch phrases” on their collective way to the “slaughter”… The Government may well yet strip from me my wealth, my property, my family and friends, my firearms, and even the clothes off my back…leaving me standing naked in a darkened cell…but my Rights are *inherent* to me as are my blood and my soul…”Inalienable”…and as I am led, in chains, to my doom as an “Enemy of the State”…I will remain…in my Heart, Mind, and Soul…a Free Man.

    One is either a Citizen/free man or a subject/slave…there is no middle ground.

    Live Free or Die.

    • Jazzabelle

      Kief,

      You’re right, statutes are subservient to the Constitution. But they also (for the most part) have legal force and authority for most people because those people have agreed to be bound by those statutes. It’s a matter of contract; most people have signed applications or other forms that constitute contracts under law, and in those contracts, the signer agrees to be bound by a certain set of statutes. There isn’t any law that requires anyone to sign these contracts, but there IS a law that says it’s YOUR responsibility to proactively advise the court that you HAVEN’T signed such a contract, if you are ever charged with something.

      Of course, there are even more powerful ways to prevent problems by ensuring that agency goons aren’t allowed to investigate you in the first place. But you would have to study the law a little bit and find out how to do it.

      I admire your willingness to live and die free – and act like a sovereign even in prison if you have to. That is awesome. But you don’t have to take the risk of ending up in prison for exercising your freedom. If you know how the system works, then you can control the system to live in libertarian freedom like our Founding Fathers did.

      To learn more, follow this link: http://teamlaw.org/

      Have a great day – and remember, nothing I say on these forums is legal advice! :-)

      Jazzabelle

  • Raggs

    This facist in MO has probably shot his wade of government buy-outs and is finding a way to choke the farmers.

    Reminds me of SS and medicare-scare… Ya know blow billions into the system via unions and pet projects, call it broke and then rape America for more!!!!…. o has f**ked this country and now he wants more.
    All states are broke, corrupt and disgusting to lay in the lap of a communist pig mr.o… They are scaring everyone into submission…

    Don’t see it????

  • paul w brock

    He yo Vigilante:

    I read your link and the article says exactly what the rabbit farmers are accused of. Do you read and comprehend? Guess not. Liberals don’t have to read they just make up there facts as they go along.

  • Raggs

    Hey there vigilante…..

    I have a problem with your comments… Meaning this…
    Per your comment…. “That statement incorrectly asserts that government has made it a crime to sell more than the dollar threshhold of $500 worth of rabbits a year”…. DID we forget what o’s criminal-care say’s about a two party transaction of $600 0r more Must be taxed?

    I’m waiting 4 your reply….

  • Raggs

    Loughner granted as an incometence. o granted as a comp..
    Hummmm….

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  • Tinman

    I would of went to the meeting with my lawyer Smith and Wesson. Arrogant federal commie jackboot. Another good reason why America is taking a slide into the Dark Side.

    • Raggs

      The dark side of the slide is under o’s ass.

  • Ruth B

    The government can (unless we stop them).
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO2eh6f5Go0

  • DC/Tex

    I am surprised that they did not go after the rabbit criminals with a swat team as they did to that bunch of terrorist Christians selling milk across state lines, while they let the drugs flow across the border. Hummmm, you think there could be some money going to the politicians of our wonderful government?

    • DaveH

      My guess would be probably. Thanks to the Drug Wars, our Government has enriched the Drug Lords, and as the saying goes — Money is Power. Read this article about Prop 19 in California to get an idea what I’m talking about:
      http://reason.org/news/show/just-a-matter-of-when

      Drug prices would plummet if drugs were legal, and the drug lords don’t want that.

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    Several years ago I lived in northern Ohio. There was a 9 yr. old kid up there who mowed lawns in the summer. He did a great job and got more yards than he could keep up with so he had a friend helping him out. Guess what ? You got it; he got a visit from the IRS and a couple other alphabet soup gvt. groups who ended up shutting him down. I guess they taught that little up-start a thing or two about being productive. Probably lives on welfare and collects food stamps now. ” We’re from the Government and we just want to help you.”

  • newspooner

    Government is out of control at all levels.

  • newspooner

    A few weeks ago I went to the local farm/garden/hardware/tractor store (in Taxachusetts) to buy 2 baby chickens. I was unable to do it even though they had a few dozen on hand and I had plenty of money. A sign on the cages declared that it was illegal to buy fewer than 6 chickens or 3 geese. That’s how irrational our government officials are. It is okay to by 6 or 50 or 1000 chickens but it is not okay to buy 1 or 2 or 3. Talk about stupid!

  • DaveH
  • Denno

    http://www.morphcity.com/home/80-constitutional-sheriff-tony-demeo
    Check out the above site and see how government bullies respond when challenged back by a REAL Sheriff that knows the US Constitution. This is a little long, but very interesting. We need more guys like this sheriff.

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