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U.S. Attorney Wants Newspaper to Name Names

July 10, 2009 by  

U.S. Attorney Wants Newspaper to Name Names

Should a newspaper, or any web site for that matter, be required to reveal the names of people posting comments to website articles? A court fight in Nevada may determine the answer to that question and just exactly how the First Amendment applies in the case of anonymous postings on the internet.

 The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is fighting a Nevada U.S. Attorney who is seeking the names and personal information of anonymous posters responding to a Las Vegas Review-Journal newspaper story.

The story about a federal case against Nevada businessman Robert Kahre, drew some caustic—some have said possibly threatening—comments about U.S. Assistant District Attorney J. Gregory Damm and the jury hearing the case.

Kahre, a construction company executive, was charged with income tax evasion, fraud and criminal conspiracy for paying contractors with gold and silver U.S. coins based on their precious metal value but using the much lower face values on the coins for tax purposes.

Ironically, those coins are considered legal tender by the big government boys and girls, but they don’t like the coins being used that way. But that’s an article for another day.

The story ran May 26, 2009, and within days had more than 200 comments posted on the story. By June 2 the paper had the subpoena in hand requesting the information, according to press reports.

The U.S. Attorney initially sought the names of all who posted remarks about the article. But the paper resisted and the government backed down and singled out two it didn’t like. The newspaper was willing to relent on those two, but the ACLU filed court documents to stop it.

In the comments, one of the posters called the jury members “dummies” and said they should be “hung” if they convicted Kayre. The other wanted to bet the U.S. Attorney wouldn’t celebrate his next birthday.

There were others, too. In them Damm was called a fascist and other names. In response, Damm did what any self-respecting fascist would. He sought to intimidate, if not arrest, those who so labeled him.

Freedom of speech in America is supposed to mean people are free to express themselves regardless of who gets their feelings hurt. But of late the government boys and girls don’t seem to like that idea. Hence we get terms like hate speech and terrorism and threats lumped into one big category that makes one person’s speech unacceptable—meaning no longer free.

I wonder what the British government thought about Thomas Paine? Probably thought his Common Sense was hate speech. He wrote it anonymously and it helped to foment the ideas that led to a revolution. That should be a particularly poignant thought coming off the 233rd birthday of our Republic.

And I’m sure that if someone wanted to be offended some of the comments posted on Personal Liberty Digest could be considered offensive, what with names like right wing nut job and commie pinko—and some worse—being slung around willy-nilly.

But America is not Iran. Americans can still—today at least—lean on the First Amendment when they want to express themselves.

They can even hold Tea Party protests—although Tea Parties upset liberals and government boys and girls who like to use free speech to call the Tea Party participants ugly names and then turn around and claim hate speech when the names are turned back on them.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Brian Rawls

    Soon the first will be thrown out the window. Each one of us will be picked up and detained at one of the fema camps around the country for being on this site.

    • http://none gary

      We are in to that now, freedom is dying fast. They are anti American and will destroy this country if not stopped. Perhaps it is too late already. The right of free speech is the basis for a free country. Kill it and kill the freedom. Kill freedom and we will see the good old USA in civil war not too far off. Just like Iran the protesters will die for only wanting right government. How many you say. No one will know because speech will not be free. We have seen it in every country with a despot as ruler. Kill off the opposition. If anyone thinks we are not headed that way, Wake and smell the garbage, before you are it.

      • Agree

        Amen to that.

      • http://n/a Shore Barb

        You are absolutely correct I am afraid. BHO henchmen go around threatening BHO’s opponents. I take George Bush anyday over this.

        • fred

          They are both traitors and controlled by the same
          Elitist group. Things happen for a reason and we
          have been losing our freedoms gradually over the
          past 200 years under all political parties who are
          controlled by powerful foreign and domestic interests.(enemies)
          For more information please visit prison planet, info wars,
          Restore the Republic, Sherriff mack.com, your remedy isinthelaw,
          freepeopleontheland,goooh.com, http://www.1215.org,farmwars.info
          and perhaps many other patriotic groups now fighting to restore
          our once proud Republic.
          We have been deceived and need very positive leaders both inside and
          outside government to turn things around.
          Fred

        • James

          We haven’t had a president since they murdered Kennedy.
          And unless We get rid of these international thieves bankers, we never will.
          Our Country has been hijacked by these criminals and We Have to Take It Back Or serve these criminals.

      • Karen

        Well now. The U.S. Attorney wants some questions answered, isn’t that interesting? I for one, have a ‘big question’ that I would like to hear the U.S. Government answer. Try this one on for size (It is a puzzle):

        Interesting Solution to Obama’s Citizenship Question

        While I’ve interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question:

        What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi ?

        So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?

        And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi, what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?

        The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers.

        It makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple one.

        Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
        A : Yes, by his own admission.

        Q: What passport did he travel under?

        A: There are only three possibilities.
        1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,
        2) He traveled with a British passport, or
        3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

        Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
        A: No. It is not possible.
        Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.
        Conclusion:
        When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport. If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.

        Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008..

        Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

        • Stassi

          Yes I agree. We don’t want him to invade a country for reason other than he wants to, Lie about the reasons he wants to invade, torture prisoners even though it’s clearly against the law, direct the CIA to do things without Congressional Approval, and just basicly do things that are against the law because he thinks laws don’t apply to the President. You know we just had 8 years of that kind of dictatorship, we don’t need another 8.

          You really gotta stop watching Fox News 24 / 7. Turn on something else and draw your own conclusions. Don’t let the extremist right wing media brain wash you. I think Obama already came up with a birth certifacate and it was approved by the everyone that had to approve it for him to become President. Hey, don’t be so bitter just because the old man and weird quitter lady didn’t didn’t win. The American People spoke out. It was an election. It’s call democracy. I know it’s a new concept to you because Bush somehow got his 2 elections rigged and you don’t understand the idea of free elections when your guy lost. But look at this way, in 3-1/2 years you have the oppertunity to vote for your guy again. It will go by fast don’t worry.
          Maybe you can get the Republicans to come up with some ideas in the next 3 years to show that they deserve to be in the Whitehouse again. But seems to me they just want to say no, quit when things get to difficult to handle or just can’t seem to keep from getting caught with their pants down. My my, what a mess they seem to be in. But where are all the right wing extremist stories about that? When Clinton got caught with his pants down that was all we heard for month after month. Now the Republicans are doing it and your extremeist are trying to sweep it under the rug.

        • http://paragonservices.org Gloria

          Karen, you are so right. I don’t know what part of that the big guys with all of their advanced degress at the JUSTICE Department don’t understand.

          Stassi: you are so full of sh– I bet your eyes are brown and you are probably chronically constipated.

      • Patricia Henson

        You’re Right about the comment about freedom not being free. It never was. Many men and women have paid a huge price(their lives) during the course of our history. We are so lazy that we can’t get off of the couch and protest in the streets. I don’t admire much about Iran but I do admire the peoples moxie in standing up for what they beleive is right, even at the cost of their lives. There is so much wrong in government right now and I think people are waking up but is it too late. Everyone is sitting around waiting for someone else to do something. I write and call our so called leaders everyday, I hope you are doing the same. I attend every teaparty and protest I can find. It may come to something a little more, I don’t know but for now everyone must do his or her parts under the law. I know it seems unfair that we have to stay within the law while our government leaders are breaking everyone ever written. For now though we all need to unite and speak out with one voice loud enough so Washington can hear us and know that we are serious no matter where we are. There are many brave Americans in this country and I still beleive in you. Let’s not be too late, stand up today and be heard.

      • Salmon

        Let me urge you all to join the NRA or the Gun Owners of America in the fight to retain the 2d as well: otherwise, once 1 and 2 are outa here, there is no Republic for which it stands……….

        • Rich

          Too late — already did.

      • Larry McKinley

        Good REPLY, Utah we have no RIGHTS.
        Especially ConstitutiEveryone is charged with a FELONY for GUN CONTROL. Our Government is scared of us because we have the second ammendment and have the guns.
        You see the News with the Federal Police on the side of Government, Not the People and innocent Protesters are being killed for freedom and a right to vote.
        Our Servants are living to high on the HOG.
        They are not Authorities, Not smart enough.
        After getting aquainted with our local Authorities, I found they were a bunch of dummys with no experience what so ever and this includes the Judges. How did they ever get in control???????

    • http://dandickerson@covenantministriesofamerica.com dan

      The only way that will happen is if americans cave in to the intimidation tactics of liberals. We are required by the declaration to abolish any form of government that treads on God given rights. That does not mean violence but it does mean getting our values and backbone back and start electing and demanding our ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT to abide by the constitution and if they don’t they get the boot at the next election or better yet get impeached.

      • Laurie Bluth

        Hopefully, the multitude of folks who are not educated in their rights and want the government to feed and clothe them can be converted to responsibility for themselves and educated in what they will be giving up. But, don’t hold your breath. Have you seen “JayWalking” on Jay Leno’s show? Some of these folks are lucky to be breathing on their own, let alone have the inquisitiveness to find out the truth about what is going on.

        Only if the silent majority begins to speak out loudly enough to be heard by the herd will we gain back what we have lost and stop the bleeding.

        • http://www.sylviasmart.com Sylvia Smart

          Jay Leno selected only the idiots to air on the show – it was about entertainment – and they DID NOT represent the average citizen (and they were from the streets of Burbank California – not typical regular people). Americans are not as stupid as you may think. They are just easily distracted and they are not avid readers because of the poor educational system the government has promoted for so long. They still have the ability to think – we just need to scoot them off the sofa and get them out into the real world. Look at the electorial map – Obama was not elected by the majority and he was not elected fairly. Billions of illegal contributions were behind this election and ACORN basically purchased the votes. More the 75% of the voters who voted for this evil man had never voted before in their lives! Give them $20 and they vote as many times as you want them to, anyway that you want them too. Those were inner-city 3rd generation welfare recipients. If they didn’t go along with it the ACORN thugs were there to intimidate them. This is the same “civilian army” that Obama is currently training – inner city gang bangers to enforce martial law when the time comes. We need to act now – before that happens. Come to DC in September and be heard! Bring your children – it will be an historic time in our history.

        • http://n/a Shore Barb

          There is no way the 50% who get everything free because we pay taxes are going to willingly give it up. What we need is a constitutional amendment that only those who pay taxes are allowed to vote. We are being governed by those we are paying for. We have reached the tipping point. What incentive is there for those who do not work and get a bonus for not working through filing a tax return to ever do anything but live off us.

        • Nom

          The problem is that all those groups that live like leaches off of us working people, multiply like rats, so we, the working people, are becoming a minority in a record fast pase. This is like growing cancer that can’t be curred.

          I wonder what “genius” government would do if all WORKING Americans moved to other countries. hahahahaha That would be funny.

      • Brian Rawls

        Dan Dan Dan do you really think they will let you just abolish them out. It will take violence, they will just get the military or the police to arrest you for something. In the constitution they were refering to violence.

      • HP

        Dan, how about we have another “million man march” by conservatives or anyone else who is not happy seeing our country “trashed” and being turned into a different country than what we grew up in.We are seeing our freedoms trampled on a little at the tine,a supreme court who makes the laws instead of interpreting the ones we already have.Liberal judges that goes along with removing God out of the schools,the courts, the gov.bldgs.We have runaway government, tax increases & gov. takeovers & bail-outs.If we returned to the principals that this country was founded upon instead of all this “political correctness” I think we would be better off.Yes, I would love to see someone organize one of those marches & just go up there right into the halls of congress & sit or lie down to where they cannot conduct bussiness until they started listening to the people once again.I know this probably sounds dumb,but they have passed the cap & tax or what-ever they call it, & now they are talking of taking over Health-care.Who is going to pay for all this? The democrats are spending like all they had to do is just go out & dip it up out of the Potomic River.I agree with Shore Barb,I’d rather have GWB than this “fruit-cake” we got now.

        • Jaye

          Dan, Do you think that there are still a million real men left in this country? I sure hope so but it looks dubious. It will take men, women & children, marching in D.C. to stop traffic and not move until they do something useful. We have to get these selfserving, anti-American nincompoops out of office.

      • Patricia Henson

        You are absolutely right about them being God given rights. Somewhere along the line though we have turned our backs on God and that’s the biggest problem in this country. We have taken God out of our schools and we have taken every Christian Icon out of public buildings. They are even trying to take( One nation under God) out of the Pledge of allegiance. Since we have turned our backs on God I think He is shutting his eyes to us. This country needs a revival like you wouldn,t beleive. We could get this country back over night if only we would turn our devotion back to God where it belongs. Obama and his minions wouldn’t know what hit them if God was fighting this battle to get this country back in shape. I hope you will consider what I’m saying. It’s gotten to be a dirty word to mention our Lord in public. If you do you are apt to offend someone. You can mention Allah, Budda, Or Satan all day long and no one has a problem, but you mention Jesus Christ and you suddenly become a pariah. It goes so far that you can be sued, isn’t that nuts? Even most of our ministers have quit preaching the truth so they don’t offend people. Thats just sad because many of our young people don’t know the truth. They have been left in the dark. I know our young people are good people they just aren’t being told the truth. Please work on finding that truth because God still loves us and he can fight this battle and win with no help from us if we turn back to him and obey his commandments. If you remember our laws were based on those commandments.

      • Salmon

        None of them are considering abiding by the Constitution: example is the 2010 ENUMERATION of the residents of the USA. Required to tell how many reside in the residence. Nothing else required by the Constitution. So Congress adds some other law/u s code to allow them to fine us 5000 $ if we don’t answer all the personal data questions they have thrown in. Plus, they are contracting our favorite PR firm; ACORN to take all the info. How do you spell Identity theft?

      • Larry McKinley

        Dan: Knoch off the Liberal talk, I am Liberal and yet Conservitive.
        The Reason being what is the plan we are talking about.
        I could go eather way.
        My Doctor talks about quacks, I told him I know all about that, I see one in front of me.
        He does nothing I need to heal me, My health dwindals.
        Experimental Medicine seems to be quackery.

    • http://www.sylviasmart.com Sylvia Smart

      Evil is powerless if the Good are unafraid. Ronald Regan

      Obama is an evil destructive force in America. His minions of mindless followers remind me of Nazi Germany. Read the speeches of Musulini and Hitler – almost verbatim Obamanistic. If we had allowed fear and the desire for anonymity to paralize us before WWII – we would all be dead or speaking German or Japanese today!

      OK – there are appropriate places for anonymity – such as Union votes, national security issues, CIA operatives, undercover law enforcement agents. The place for anonimity is not in the exercise of free speech. Stand up Americans! Arm yourselves. Stop quivering on your sofa’s while you watch TV and say: “OMG it is terrible, it is awful, America is doomed!” These words can be self-fullfilling prophecies. Stop It! Stand up and be heard, show your face, sign your name, we are not the ones who should be trembling in our boots and hiding our faces. They should be afraid of us – because we are so much stronger and we are guided by the desire for freedom and liberty . We are Conservatives, Liberals, Independents, Libertarians, Constitutionalists from all walks of life, from all ethnic groups – it doesn’t matter – we are first of all AMERICANS and we cherish our Freedom. The Obamanites are guided by greed, and the hunger for limitless and corrupt power. If we stand up – they will surely fail. I think we should keep GITMO operational so we have a place to house these congressional thugs when the air clears and they are all indicted. If you and I are fearless – they will go to jail either soon after the complete economic collapse, or after a bloody revolution where Obama will be the greatest war criminal in history and will hang for treason against America. Cancel our debt with China – they loaned the money under false pretenses with a plan to destroy our country from within. Consider their economic tactics as an act of war. Expell Nancy, Hilliary and their cronies – let them go live in Saudi Arabia where they have best friends. Seize all the money from the Obama thugs and put it back where it belongs – with the people. Re-establish a federal government for the people and by the people to do the things that the Federal Government was designed to do. Uphold State’s Rights. Start drilling for Gas and Oil and get those American cars back into production under real business people and industry experts – not a bunch of wanna-be CEO’s wet-behind-the-ears college kids. Expose the myth of Global Warming – for what it is – complete BS designed to cripple our country. Dismantle the Federal Reserve and indict the people who have used it to rape America for years. Clean out that nest of hypocrites on the Supreme Court and do away with Presidential appointments and czars that bypass the electoral process and answer directly to a dictator. Institute strict term limitations of one term only so that being a representative of the people will not be a life-time road to luxury and exploitation. Supreme Court Judges should be selected randomly from the court system by lottery and should be drafted to serve one term of 4 years and be automatically replaced.

      Be Patriots – they did not hide their faces in their own Country!! Your faces and your names are those of Great American Heros – be proud to show them and stand up for them. We can do this! On September 11 we should all caravan across the country, having rallies along the way and adding millions of cars, buses, RVs and motorcycles, and arrive en-masse in DC to yell in their faces and paralize this illegal government, and demand Obama’s removal from office. Reinstitute the Constitution. We should make it the largest demonstration that ever happened in the world! Our Marines are fed up too – they are not going to shoot us! Especially if we are armed and angry!

      Sylvia A. Smart, a Proud American not afraid to speak out!

      • Mike51

        I totally agree with you and I hope that all patriot Americans who love our country and our free way of life will also agree with you and follow your lead and eventually will become leaders themselves.

      • Dragonspit

        I am a Veteran of our Military. Everyone of us who ever put on a uniform swore to protect and uphold the Constitution of the United States against all threat both foreign and domestic. The militaries job is not to protect the president or congress, but to protect the Constitution. We took that oath very seriously, we are even willing to give our lives in its protection. The American soldier will not shoot the citizens of the United States. The citizens are the beneficiaries of the Constitution. Our representatives need to remember that.

        • William

          Dragonspit, I’m a Military Veteran also. keep your powder dry “Brother”. Our skills may be needed again.

        • Mike D.

          2010 everyone! 2010!

      • Linda Eskridge

        Silvia,
        I’m in total agreement with you. I have thought that Obama is a lot like Hitler. Just read Hitler’s book, “My struggles and you can learn alot about him and his ideas. Obama is not to far from Hitler. I also feel that he is trying to set this country up for failure so that he can become America’s first dictator.
        We need to stand up for our country and the constitution that made her great. We need to get rid of the old cronies in congress and get rid of the Lobbyists. As Malcolm Berko in Oklahom said in his column, “Lobbyists are the poison of America’s middle class.” He suggested that the administration demand each lobbyist wear a Nazi armband and a red swastika on his lapel. If you can find his article, it was written Sunday, July 5, 2009 in the Oklahom paper…..Newsok.com
        We have alway been the silent majority, too busy working for a living and paying our bills. Just trying to get along with everyone. Well the retirement funds got eaten by the greedy in big business and they got the bailout. And now we don’t have a job. We are ready for the march on Washington. Just tell us when.
        Sincerely,
        Linda Eskridge

      • HP

        You go girl [Sylvia Smart]. I say AMEN to everything you say.

      • Patricia Henson

        Nicely said. We need to start with an audit of the federal reserve. They are given more power than they were ever intended to have. They are adding zeros to the bottom line without having the money to back it. I don’t see how that’s any different than counterfeiting. We’d get arrested for that. They have Fannie May and Freddie Mac guarantee loans that they know can’t be paid back. I think that if someone got to looking that they would find the money supposedly lost last Sept. in our quote economic collapse in offshore accounts or maybe funding foreign governments without our( the American people) knowledge. I think Obama is purposely destroying our dollar so he can have his one world currency. I think he really beleives that he can be the one world ruler that the Bible speaks of. He is trying to implement one world healthcare, he’s trying to abolish Christianity to form a one world religion( most likely muslim.) He is destroying even the family unit so the children will be taught to spy on and report the parents actions if they don’t fall into line with what the government wants. 5 years ago I would have called me a nutcase for thinking let alone saying these things, but if you look around with your eyes wide open YOU will see what I’m talking about. If you listen to Obama speak he tells you what he’s going to be doing 10 years down the line. The presidents legal term only lasts 8 years if re-elected. He makes no secret of what he wants to do.

      • FarRightWinger

        It really does not matter much but the Fascist leader’s name is Mussolini, not Musulini. I am very enlighted that you are one of those rare, still alive eyewitnesses who had EXPERIENCE during Mussolini and /or Hitler times. You admitted : the obamanian times remind you to those times. That means; you LIVED under those great times when Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini led their people (and the entire European nations) out of the judeo-cannibalistic-bolshevik times (which YOUR country defended so diligently to preserve communism in Europe and throughout the years).
        How come none of you ever meintioned Stalin, Lenin, Kaganovits, Berija, Rothenfeld, or Ceausescu names? These are the biggest communist massmurderers, gun-grabbers and subhumans in the recent history. Is something connect you to your racial brothers? All above were known as non-Aryans, coming from their kabalistic talmudian origins…
        Oh yes, and don’t forget the rabbi’s son Karl Marx, who can be balmed at first for all the world’s troubles, introducing bolshevism for the suffering world…

        • Salmon

          which YOUR country defended (Isn’t it yours too?) these folks were patted on the back by the commie loving UN. MSM won’t rail on them, as they are all backed by the same money looking for one world govt, and the total enslavement of the working chumps!

      • FarRightWinger

        It really does not matter much but the Fascist leader’s name is Mussolini, not Musulini. I am very enlighted that you are one of those rare, still alive eyewitnesses who had EXPERIENCE during Mussolini and /or Hitler times. You admitted : the obamanian times remind you to those times. That means; you LIVED under those great times when Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini led their people (and the entire European nations) out of the judeo-cannibalistic-bolshevik times (which YOUR country defended so diligently to preserve communism in Europe and throughout the years).
        How come none of you ever meintioned Stalin, Lenin, Kaganovits, Berija, Rothenfeld, or Ceausescu names? These are the biggest communist massmurderers, gun-grabbers and subhumans in the recent history. Is something connect you to your racial brothers? All above were known as non-Aryans, coming from their kabalistic talmudian origins…
        Oh yes, and don’t forget the rabbi’s son Karl Marx, who can be balmed at first for all the world’s troubles, introducing bolshevism for the suffering world…
        My father was fighting in the German Waffen-SS with an atatched Hungarian unit. My information came from a real warrior who fought for our freedoms to save Europe from the marxist-judeo-american-satan.

        • Salmon

          I missed the last couple sentences which weren’t in the first one. Glad you got to talk with your father about the big one. Adolph started it, if I remember the history we were taught here. (USA) Karl had a great influence on the plans. I am sure there is Jewish blood throughout the Germanic race, and most others as well. There are probably marxist satanists in most countries, and they are all represented with their own personal ambassadors to the UN.
          Achtung! Bye Bye!

      • Larry McKinley

        Our Freedoms is already at risk. Freedom of speech is a Threat to many people.
        These people I mention are idiots.
        They are ignorant of the Constitution and do more damage than they know to innocent people.
        The Prosecutors in Utah have the Idea all the State is full of Criminals.
        True, Let;s start with the Judicial system when Police can beat a man to the ground for telling a cop to leave when no crime is comitted, Provo Utah.
        The story goes on, Don’t forget the Cop Obama invited to the White House, The story Continues.

    • http://PersoalLibertyAlerts John

      …Once said : “Those who do not rember the past are doomed to repeat it.”…
      Are we ever doomed , look who we have in the White House . A non-native born thief & a gang of fools willing to pass bills without reading them to know the full content .They ,the Democratic party ,like sheep follow the will of their leader & of their greed .We will put everyone of them out of office soon ,but by then it may be too late .We must demand their removal NOW ! On Sept 12 ( 912 ) there will be a massive Tea Party in DC ,lets shut down the entire DC area with people & storm the Halls of Liberty and send them packing . Lets also do the same in every State capital on that day ! We the people must retake AMERICA now or there will be no AMERICA tomorrow ! GOD bless AMERICA & save us all .

      • Patricia Henson

        They don’t read the bills before they are passed. You’re right. House majority leader Steny Hoyer-D (md) came out and threatened Obama by saying that his healthcare bill wouldn’t get passed if they had to read it. Sounds to me that someone doesn’t belong representing the people if he can’t do his job. Would you get to keep your job if you only did half of it? Something tells me (NOT)! It wouldn’t be so long in the first place if they cut out the pork. Tell the powers that be not to add 300 pages at 3 in the morning hoping to sneak it by everyone. Let’s band together and get the lazy criminals out of office.

        • Vicki

          http://www.downsizedc.org/etp/campaigns/27

          Add your voice to the growing numbers demanding that Congress actually READ the bills they pass into law upon us.

        • Patricia Henson

          Reply to Vicki, Thanks for the information. I just did what you suggested. There is a wealth of information on the site. Thanks again. Patricia

      • Larry McKinley

        John is a Racist, the best man ever to be elected to the White House is there, Obama.

    • http://PersoalLibertyAlerts John

      For information about the Sept. 12 Tea Party in DC , to sign up , join the 912 movement , hold your own Tea Party , Discount travel & accomadations in the DC area for the 912 Tea party go to : http://www.resistnet.com ,also visit 912.com, google ” patriotic resistance “

      • Paul Ruby

        Yes I’d like information about the tea bagging party. Didn’t you receive you tax credit from the federal government?

    • Kat

      BS !!!

      That will cause in instantaneous revolution too, you had better believe it. First amendment stands forever. It is up to the individual not to run the trap amuck. People are people, they have a right to have feelings that bring out effed up words, or just p*ss poor dictionaries in their heads of a unique way of thinking,etc…

      pondering words is not easy for all, nor does a word necessarily mean the same to one as it does to most, or vice versa. Trying to stop the first amendment would ruin our country, people should learn not to take words in a way that people may not mean them. Perception is the key, and if your unsure you should be asking the talker, or writer, what exactly do they mean?

      • Larry McKinley

        What good advice,. Bravo.
        Always ask the talker what he means
        People make up what they want to hear.
        Many innocent people are hurt.

  • http://YahooAtt gene shires

    I’m watching the Tea Party-Groups, Wishing I were not Disabled and Could Join Them- In Protest! I’ve Never Protested or marched, against Our Government, But They Were Not Crooks- Like We Got Now! Thieves and Robbing Tyranists! Patrick Henry Is My HERO!!!!! Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death! Gene Shires, Mooresboro, NC

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      If the ACLU thinks the writer should be secret, then Im am all for having to reveal who the writer is, because anything these clowns to is anti-American, anti God, anti common sense, and anti-good. Thats why ACLU stands for Anti-Christ-Lawyers-Union. Bastards. They should be kicked out of the country. They are going to keep pushing and digging, until its going to come to where us common citizens are going to be forced to hunt these dogs down and put them down. They are no good.

      • dianeremarx

        You don’t seem to understand that the ACLU is protecting your privacy as the ‘writer’. Yes, the ACLU does a lot of things I’m not for but in this case, they are right on the money in protecting MY privacy.

        • Dave

          let’s see if the ACLU gets out there and protects our right NOT to have our medical records online, for any hacker to know about.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Thats fine and dandy, but if Im writing something I need to hide who I am about, I probably shouldnt be writing it. It comes back to accountability, and there is way to much of people doing things these days and not being held accountable for it, because either they were on drugs, or they were drunk, or they were too young, or they just didnt know. Baloney. If I write something, sorry, call me a stupid adult, but I need held responsible for what I say and do. Its called being a grown up. I see the wack nut jobs like Nancy Pelosi who say something, then say just the opposite, but are never held accountable for what they say and do. Why? Ive got a problem with that. The truth will set you free. If you say something, an opposing view should be able to ask why you feel that way, to which you would be entitled to a reply as to why you feel that way, and this is how adult discussions are made. The ACLU does not represent me, and I do not want those evil bastards anywhere around concerning me. But since Im a white Christian male, they wouldnt bother. Im not allowed to have any rights in their world.

        • DaveH

          Mark,
          I agree with you that we should not be afraid to speak our piece. But I think Diane is correct too, because many people are afraid to speak up for fear that the bullies in society will seek physical retaliation (and that has happened throughout history).
          I don’t know if you’ve ever been in a court action. I have only been in divorce court (many times for my one marriage), but I observed that most of the people in the hallway looked pretty miserable. I know that I was very abused by the legal system (I call it “legal mugging”). So, I can very much understand that most people don’t want to get tangled up in legal action. And they should have that right to be anonymous. Why should the government be able to punish us for words? They should only be able to punish us for actions. As my father always said “Sticks and stones will break your bones, but names will never hurt you”. Yes, we can be hurt emotionally, but if we go there we soon won’t be allowed to speak at all.

      • Dave

        I am no fan of the ACLU, usually, (A Clueless Liberal Ultimatum ) but this is a difficult case. To actually threaten someone in any circumstance unless they are quite clear they are not serious, they could well be serious.
        Don’t get me wrong, I am all for privacy rights, and in this case I would support the ACLU, however serious threats against people, and this Country need to be taken into consideration, even if it is detaining someone to find out exactly where they are coming from, not just arresting them and throwing away the key. Of course this was not the case of proven suspected terrorists…and, well if you think closing Gitmo, is a good idea than the next step is to board these ‘victims’ at your family home.
        The problem with exercising this type of power is that it can be misused.

        C.S. Lewis said it best, ” Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.”

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          No, Im for keeping Gitmo open, and keeping the politicians out of the military’s business.

      • Larry McKinley

        Mark is now Theatening the ACLU.
        It is in Black and White and he is now a Criminal.
        He is a Felon for the Threat.
        He should be Locked Up.
        Thank God we have the Constitution.

    • dianeremarx

      I am disabled too and I want to go to the 9-12-09 National Taxpayer Protests in Washington, DC. http://912dc.org/

      I’m going to try and go anyway. Even if I can’t walk along the route, I can sure hold a sign and position myself at the end of the protest route. I’m sure there will be other disabled people there too. Try to get some friends, other disabled or family to go with you. I think it is important we be there.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Good job Dianne, good post. Im proud of you for standing up like this.

    • Dave

      To Gene,
      Patrick Henry also very nearly, single-handedly, made our Constitutional Convention of 1787 not pass. Yes, a very good orator, perhaps too good.
      You may know by now, that Obama is a very good orator as well. Without strength of A. Hamilton, John Jay, Madison, as well as then Justice Marshall, our Constitution would never have gotten off the ground.

      • Dave

        I just remembered that Alexander Hamilton wrote most of his writings under the pseudonym, Publius, and most of those writings make up his portion of The Federalist Papers. Writing and having anonymity, one could say is a tradition in this country.

      • Gary Adsitt

        ” Here comes the orator with his flood of words,
        and his drop of reason”
        Benjamin Franklin
        It sounds like Ben knew Obama was on his way…

        • Larry McKinley

          Gary is a Racist, Ignorant at that.

      • Tim FL

        You can thank Patrick Henry and the Anti-Federalists for the addition of the Bill of Rights to our Constitution. You’re exactly right. If the Federalists had not given in on this point, the convention would have been stymied…

        • Larry McKinley

          Tim, Great Reply
          If only the dummys would stop POSTING.

    • DaveH

      Gene,
      I think there have always been crooks in government just as in any other sector of the economy. What is different now is the size of government and the much greater power of modern government. We need to ride hard on our representatives and get them to role back the size of governments or lose their jobs.

    • sandra lane

      Mr Shires,

      I am sorry you are disabled, but you can do a lot. E-mail congress Join the 9-12
      project. Help others organize Tea Partys. Write your newspaper.Call your friends.

      Read Glenn Beck”s new book “Common Sense” You are not alone!!!

      • Melody

        I agree. I just got through reading our local paper. The editor is a tyrant liberal and his latest 2 full pages of Obama praise and articles mocking our local tea party event has put me beyond my limits of tolerance. This is a war of values. We are a small community, and this one man in charge of the one newspaper that all the small business use to advertise in have no choice…. and he knows it too. The anger I feel for this man and his attitude has made me decide to take it to the business community and ask them to pull all forms of their ads for 6 months. Then we will see what this blow hard has to say. He mocks conservatives, but has no problem taking their money. I say, we will see. I am also going to ask people to cancel their subscriptions. I have had enough of this crap….. he can peddle to those he identifies with… but there aren’t any in this town. We as conservatives have more power than we think…. if we will only execute it.

        • Salmon

          Gitterdun!

    • Patricia Henson

      I’m sure that if you contacted the people organizing the teaparties that they could find a job for you. No one is worthless and we all have our special God- given talents. Making phone calls and licking stamps is just as important as anything that they may do on the outside. Every voice is needed, especially yours as If Obama has his way it’s The old and disabled that he considers expendable and you won’t get the medical treatment that you may need. He would just soon you go home and die for you are too expensive to treat. You too are important so don’t give up now.

    • Mike D.

      2010, Gene! That is as loud as you need to be.

      • Stassi

        What if you loose agin?
        Then What?
        Whose fault will it be then?

        • Mike D.

          We make sure that we DON’T loose again!
          I’m convinced that most people in this country do not follow this uro socialist agenda. I know I don’t!
          If you remember in the Iran crisis,( 20 some yrs ago) that country looked in total chaos, but in fact it was just a smoke screen to distract from what was really taking place.
          Sound familiar?! Do not under estimate our elected officials. 2010!

      • PJ

        IMPEACH THE ZERO NOW! He’s already a disaster. By 2010 it will be too late

        • Larry McKinley

          PJ: What do you know about nothing?
          The BEST MAN was Elected for the JOB.
          Your JOB is to support him.

  • HP

    strong text Ordinarily, I do not support anything the ACLU is behind, but I support them in this case.I do not think newspapers, magazines,internet blogs or anything else should be subject to being turned over to the gov.”watch-dogs”. Usually they would not care anyway unless it was something in opposition to their position.Therein is the problem, in order for speech to be free,it must not be hampered by restrictions placed on it by our ever-increasing all-knowing government.Why else would they need to know who authors the speech, except to restrain or intimidate the person or persons who originated the speech.Now I think there are exceptions,only if the speech is threatning of bodily harm,or speech contrary to the constitution & laws of this Republic, otherwise free speech should be just that,free to say whatever you like.With that said, I think discretion should be used in our newspapers & TV & internet, no profanity, or course language.I would hate to see a time when anything would be considered “acceptable”. I guess I think gutter language should be left there,in the gutter.

    • Salmon

      I wonder if they will represent the folks who don’t want to give any information, other than the Enumeration of the residence in 2010, when ACORN comes around to data collect all your private info?

  • JoeBob

    This is the first time I can recall supporting a position the ACLU has taken. I suppose it was bound to happen.

    • Mike D.

      You and Me both!!!!

      • http://GOGGLE vaksal

        MIKE D. BEWARE OF WOLFS IN SHEEPS CLOTHING,THE (ACLU AND AIPAC )ARE ONE AND THE SAME,THIS IS JUST A SMOKE SCREEN,SO THEY CAN DESTROY THIS NATION,LITTLE BY LITTLE,YOU CAN BE SURE THIS MOVE ON THE ACLUS PART IS DAMAGE CONTROL,TO TAKE EVERYONES EYES OFF THEIR PAST RECORD AGAINST ,OUR CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOMS, THEY ARE COMMUNISTS AT HEART,PRO ISREALI AND PRO JEWISH,AND NOT TO BE TRUSTED AT ALL. PLEASE JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. AND NOT PRO GOYIM FOR SURE.

  • Robin, Arcadia, IN

    99% of the time I feel the ACLU is one of the worst organizations in the United States. Very rarely would I ever agree with them on anything. But, this is one of those times that they are actually doing the right thing. Mark it on the calendar. I am sure it won’t happen again for another month of Sundays!
    Every American citizen is entitled to free speech. Those who don’t agree, should leave America and go somewhere that will be more to their liking.

  • Sam

    Come on Bob, free speech does not mean secret sniping – it means standing up and expressing ones opinions in open debate. Threats, veiled or otherwise, are not free speech. Descent into offensive name calling usually indicates an inability to express an opinion.

  • Bob

    The ACLU is a heinous organization. But, every now and then, even a blind pig finds an truffle.

    Our government has gone through a revolution; and the revolutionaries are now in charge of the government. The government wants to seek out and neutralize any critics. If we as citizens do not wake up, we will find all our rights gone. And, instead of a government of the people, by the people, and for the people; we will find ourselves property of the government; merely subjects of the governing.

  • Connie

    Dave, I don’t think Obama is as much a good orator as he is a man who can read on a college level. Have you seen him when the tele-prompter screws up? He grinds to a halt as fast a dremmel with a dead battery.Not counting all the smoke and mirrors. These change the whole complexion of what is really going on.

    • Larry McKinley

      Well Gee” You should be in Obamas shoes for a minite giving a speech.

  • s c

    The day the ACLU is good enough to protect our rights is the day that we need criminals to protect us. I know from experience how fickle their ‘standards’ can be. The ACLU is living proof that no one or group can serve two masters. The result is always predictable. Any
    respectable individual or group can do a better job than the ACLU. The idea that anyone can see the ACLU as a friend proves that many people have minimal or no standards for their ‘friends.’ The ACLU is
    not America’s friend. It was never our friend. It will never be our friend.

    • Salmon

      A good friend with letters: ACLJ is the American Center for Law and Justice. My choice of one to protect our liberties.

    • Larry McKinley

      SC: That is a Ha Threat if you ask me, Now you are a criminal.
      Turn yourself in, Today.
      One year in the County Jail, They confiscate your property and auction it off.
      You get out with nothing and no cab fare.

      All of you think about this.
      Our Judicial System.
      Rich Judges and starving lawyers.

  • Eric

    It is sad that in our society today that our rights are being attacked by people searching for control. What most people don’t realize is that control is an illusion. It will only last so long before someone has the guts to stand up and say this is not right.
    We have become so PC now a days that people are afraid to say anything because we might “offend” someone. Be careful people if we let stuff like this happen, more and more of our rights will be taken away.
    Oh and don’t let anyone tell you that some right have to be given up for the greater good, socialist B.S.

    • Salmon

      That is like Mrs O telling us that for fairness some folks will have to give up some of their pie, so we can all be equal, while she is pimpin a $6000 purse and wearing $500 sneaks at a $445 lunch!

  • Mtmtman

    I agree with Mark. The ACLU was started by a man who spent 6 years in Russia being indoctrinated with the techniques of Marx for the overthrow of our government. The reason the ACLU is fighting the assistant AG is if he should prevail then the communists would lose one of their main tools–the written word to demean loyal americans and isolate groups in the publics perception. Consider what their ilk have done to Palin. She scares them to death and so they (and the rest of the democratic party that are not quite Marxists yet) joined in the attacks.
    In any case let me get this straight. Kahre used lawful money of the US to pay his employees with (gold and silver coins) Let’s understand that under the constitution this is the ONLY lawful money in the US. Secondly, the employees were happy to accept it—at its current value and that had about 100% chance of increasing in value in the future vs. worthless paper that had a 100% chance of decreasing in the future.
    Of course that is totally unacceptable!! If the use of honest money ever returned to common practice it would destroy the ability of the politicians to spend money we don’t have. They could not steal us blind. They would lose all their power to rob and steal the american public blind. Why who knows, we might even return to a prosperous country. Of course if we did that we would have to indoctrinate an awful lot of facist liberals to the beauty of the constitution and bill of rights. I am not very erudite so maybe the word should be innoculate instead of indoctrinate. You decide. We could start with that senator from the great state of Nevada. What’s his name? Oh yes! Harry Reid and his harlot in the house (yea thats right, the whore house) Pelosi.

    So Damm received or saw posts that were damning Damm for trying to prosecute Kahre for doing something legal. If we had a president he would fire Damm for trying to prosecute an honest businessman. Of course we don’t have one (and while we have had legal ones in the past years we have only had one good one.)

    • Salmon

      But you forget: in times (at the Pres discretion) of trouble, POTUS can recall all gold and silver out of private ownership. Now what?

  • http://spiveysabertoothknife.com Jefferson Spivey

    I believe the ACLU is the Nations great deceivers. Their favorable interest in the Constitution, freedom and the American way will always been acutely suspicious.

  • http://pliberty Dan Denman

    Here are some names for ya:
    the following are trying to bring this FREE country into submission-
    Obama and his regime
    Gore
    Fed Reserve
    Liberals
    UN
    Trilateralists
    Bilderbergers
    council on foreign relations

    • DixieConnie

      Don’t forget: George Saras

  • Ron

    I am all for protecting our rights to free speech; however free speech doesn’t give us the right to say whatever we want. We still have to act within the limits of the law. We can’t threaten another person’s life without consequence.

    • Tim FL

      Threatening is one thing, acting on the threat is another. A person can use their First Amendment rights to threaten me all they want to. But if they act upon the threat, I’ll invoke my Second Amendment rights with no reservations.
      Making a threat is not like screaming “FIRE” in a crowded theater. That is not a a form of protected speech because real harm or death can result from the ensuing panic. Threats on the other hand, harm no one, even if what is said makes you feel uncomfortable, the words are just empty rhetoric until acted upon.
      If we allow our governments to prosecute “thought crimes”, our country truly will be on the brink of disaster…

  • outspoken2

    The wacko’s think our Penal System Warehouses “PRISONS” are full now, wait till they outlaw the First Amendment, then I’ll probably have a new address and title. Some say name calling is bad, using names like dunce,dummy, stupid, dumb, cretin, moron, those are words of frustration and rage aimed at people and a broken and Politically Correct Judicial system. Using profanity, threats, and intimidation, that’s just bad form.

  • Gary in Oregon

    Three people so far in these comments have used their last names, oops will the ACLU please help them for exercising their free speech right. The only thing that Gary did was quote Benjamin Franklin, that doesn’t sound like a subversive at work…

  • http://www.resistnet.com Support the Constitution

    I hope Kahre wins his case. I think we should all demand to be paid in Gold by our employers, its gonna wind up that way anyways as soon as our economy fails from all the spending going on.

    • http://www.readwhatisee.com P Alfonso

      If we begin to get paid in gold we will get 5 cents on the dollar for that is all our dollar is worth.

      • Patricia Henson

        I think you overvalued it. lol

  • http://googlemail larry mc kenna

    Hi, I live in Northern Ireland, anywhere you care to mention where there is or has been trouble, if you dig a little under the surface you will find American interference. Remember Vietnam, remember The Chile coup, how long did the Genocide continue in Bosnia before intervention ! Pity they had no oil reserves or many lives may have been saved. look at America’s health service ! No we need freedom of speech or we are already dead !

    • Salmon

      All those listed places are the UN’s doings: the genocides were not against muslims that I can remember. When they were, they stepped in to stop them. Darfur comes to mind.

  • John Kent

    This is the first time I have heard of the ALCU doing anything to protect the average person’s freedom! Hooray!!! All Americans are in trouble if the government is able to go after anyone it wants to for writing somthing which expresses a protest to somthing the government is pursuing.

    JK

  • outspoken2

    Most of the time ACLU fights for the wrong reason and wrong issues, but occasionally they confused and fight for the right reason and the right issues.

  • Jan Geren

    Why am I not surprised? This is where we have been heading for a very long time. Our freedoms’ are being taken one by one and apathy is our biggest enemy and the best tool for the powers that be! I am sick of control freak governments, where do we go to just live! We ALL need to get up and take action to stop this before it is really out of hand!

  • http://www.readwhatisee.com P Alfonso

    I am fine with publishing the names.

    If you are going to be bold enough to use the first amendment then be bold enough to put your name on it.

    If a person has to hide behind the first amendment then that person is not protecting it but instead implies that has already lost that right. The proper course would be to stand up and fight to get it back.

    The ACLU does not stand for freedom of speech but instead wants to silence the people. The ACLU is an enemy of freedom and an instrument of Progressive Fascism.

    • http://none gary

      Don’t you understand our names in their hands are a death warrant for us in the night? They have goon squads at work now. Ok so make it easy for them send your name address credit card number if you want, but do not blame me If you are the first to go into exile, or worse, because the goons knew where their enemies lived. You may think it foolish to protect you personal information. But do not project your honest use of information on them, for the way these crooks plan to use our full identity. They want swift retribution for our opposition to their evil ways. These are crooks treat them like crooks, not as father confessor. The less they know of our rightful civil movement the safer we will stay for a time. Remember they want nothing less than to silence the opposition. Oh go ahead if you must tell them up front who they can put on their list for eradication. As for me I would rather live to fight another day. I count this danger enough just warning you who think you are dealing with people who are just and right thinking people. NO they are CROOKS who want to disable completely our move to right the ship of state. They will not hesitate to use force to do that. I know it is already happening to me personally. The things said in this blog can get us all killed. You better believe it. Oh you don’t think that will ever happen? Just look at every other despot and see how they get established and stay that way.

      • Patricia Henson

        They can get your name from the inernet company anyway as everyone registers.

  • http://www.readwhatisee.com P Alfonso

    I am fine with publishing the names.

    If you are going to be bold enough to use the first amendment then be bold enough to put your name on it.

    If a person has to hide behind the first amendment then that person is not protecting it but instead implies that has already lost that right. The proper course would be to stand up and fight to get it back.

    The ACLU does not stand for freedom of speech but instead wants to silence the people. The ACLU is an enemy of freedom and an instrument of Progressive Fascism.

  • Richard, PA

    Alfonso, I joined the ACLU and can say with certainty that they do fight for the wrong things on occasion BUT they fight for the right things as well . . . the first amendment. It’s easy to feel that it’s only the Jew being harassed, or the gay folks down the road getting a hard time but if you let them take a hit you will be next. Remember the saying in Germany, it goes something like this- First they came for the butcher and then they came for the candlestick maker and then they came for me”. By standing with your fellow citizens you are standing for yourself and by the way if you think some creep attorney would not harass those people whose names were given out and do so with your taxpayer money, and do so on your time and bury them in debt defending themselves then you have your head in the sand . . . wake up before it’s your turn. Just for your information I’m politically very right of center – but I no longer associate with any party since I think they are all out for themselves.

  • American Citizen

    For the most part, ACLU stands for Anti Civil Rights Union. Once in a while they get it right. But then it also makes me suspicious of its motives. I hope in this case it means what it says.

    • Melody

      Watch out though…. One good deed for free speech does not erase 99% of all the harm and harassment it has caused. They are not saints…. they are covering their a… so the next case, you won’t be looking. The organization is as good or bad as the people in it, and these days, people are so out of touch with what is right or wrong I would be hard pressed to find someone working with ACLU that is a conservative. Like minded people attract like minded people. When was the last time you heard of the ACLU fighting for the rights of a conservative?

      • American Citizen

        Oh, I know, that’s what makes me suspicious of this move by them. I don’t trust them for a minute. Notice those who want to trash the First Amendment seem to be either Liberals or Democrats? What are they afraid of? Truth will out.

  • james

    What ever happened to freedom of speech? Didn’t the Nazi’s pull that nonsense with names years ago? You must be able to back up any statement you make, however, sad to say, this country is progressing in the wrong direction; so, my friends, be bold but be not too bold!

    • Brian Rawls

      I figured out just how to deal with these political figures that wont listen to the people. We shall all pick up sticks and rub poo on the ends of them. Then we shall proceed with waving them around at them. This my friends will really grab their attention.

      • American Citizen

        Works for me. Tells them what we think of their policies. I wish it were possible for me and my husband to march with the tea parties. I wonder how many like us are out there. This big silent majority is speaking out and the pols are not listening. They’d better wake up or they’re out come next election. Some of them should be anyway.

  • http://N/A Jo Ann Allen

    Here in Oregon we just had a fight with newspapers who wanted the shariff of Jackson County Oregon to publish the names and addresses of people that held Conceled Wepon Permits and the Shariff refused saying that was private information and the newspapers lost in their battle to get it and the same thing here this is private information and should no be devulged to anybody and the websights have a duty to their members to deny any and all requests for such information.
    Jo Ann Allen

  • Eric g

    True the Alcu fights for protecting liberty , But I have never heard of them fighting to protect pvt property .
    They may have fought to protect public property , but if they ever have protected private property , I don’t know about . This means to me the ALCU is leaning communist , if not out and out communist . I suppose communists want a certian amount of liberty and personal rights too . To me property rights are the most important of our rights , If we are guaranteed the right to our land , we are guaranted the right to take care of our selves . without this simple right we have no ground to stand on . If you have no grounds you lose in court evreytime .

  • josh

    Dismantle this system of credit slavery/indentured servitude (including the fed)
    Behead ALL of the politicians/lawyers.
    Burn all the fake money that has been printed, Go back to gold.
    Kick out anyone not here legally.
    Close US military bases around the world, and take care of the home land first.

    • FarRightWinger

      I am 100% agree with you! The first thing must be done first. After the Revolution, we should restore the positive image of America; recall ALL troops from abroad, let the smaller (and bigger) countries what to decide with their own people, system and democrtacies, or dictatorships. WE SHOULD NOT SEND ONE AMERICAN LIFE TO DIE FOR OTHERS INTERESTS! (Especially not for israel’s).

      Remember; peace starts at home.

      • 13th Gen. American

        Dude, you seriously need to be taking your meds. While your at it how bout taking something for your anti-semitic thoughts too.

      • Patricia Henson

        Israel doesn’t want us to fight their fight. They have asked for back-up in the event of an attack. I would only hope that someone would help us if faced with the same circumstances. Israel wouldn’t be in the situation that it’s in if not for all of the empty promises that the U.S. has made, Like when they were promised aide and peace if they gave up their homes in the Gaza Strip. They gave it up and now they have rockets shot at them everyday, not to mention the suicide bombers or the arms being smuggled through the tunnels in the Strip. Obama has not honored the promises made by us and instead he,s telling them that they have to halt construction of homes in Samaria and other areas of the Holy land,not to mention that he wants them to give up half of Jerusalem. I hope Netanyahu continues to ignore him on those issues. The land belongs to them, given to them by God himself.

        • FarRightWinger

          Are you seroius? Israel doesn’t want us to fight???
          What about Iraq since 1991? What about the WMD lies about Saddam and ousting a that Leader who was respected by his p[eople? What about 9-11? All the secretly classified tapes, videos, pictures seized by the CIA and their Mossad buddies? And now Afghanistan? Who was pushing USA into wars, invasions since 1942?
          Who is pushing the USA into a terrible war against the democratic Iran? The israeliss already started the war, ready to attack any minute, they just want to foreplay something “bait” for the Americans, as was 9-11… Once they feed the public opinion about Ahmadinejad’s ” evil” (siccc!) Iran, they will feed your minds about tons of lies. Iran has more freedoms than USA today, thanks to 9-11, the act which started demolish the obstacles from invading privacy and private freedoms.
          The richest zionists are behind the Iraq and all Middle east wars.
          The earlier you see the dark hands behind these events, the sooner you will see the real enemies of America.
          Oh yes, and don’t forget the attack on USS LIBERTY, by israel. That was a “friendly” act too, I guess?

          • http://GOGGLE vaksal

            TO: FRW,finally a person that speaks the facts,i agree 100per cent,but you forgot the incident in mexico as reported in la vox (the voice) newspaper,where mossad agents tryed to blow up the mexican congress,a mossad operation,never reported in any american newspaper a year after the 911 faisco,not true,want to place a bet on it patricia,also as reported in the washington post, U.S.PROTESTOR CRUSHED UNDER ISREALI BULLDOZER,RUN OVER TWICE,her name was RACHEL CORRIE ,a 23yr old college student that was trying to stop bulldozing of a medical building that treated injuried palistinian civilians,and all the american sailors on the U.S.S. liberty,to you and people like you patricia,denile,denile,whats the differance? just another man,women,child thats not important,get glasses,if a innocent person gets victimized,whats the differance, if goyim or jewish,you should hide your face in shame,whats evil is evil,god forbid it happens again,that some crazy bunch of misguided power hungry crazies,start killing innocent people here state side,whatyou are saying its ok,because they are zionist,you make me sick,adolf hitler or stalin would have loved your blind outlook. and FARRIGHT WINGER YES WE ARE PAYING THE FULL PRICE IN THIS WAR STUFF,SERVICE PERSONAL KILLED WHILE THESE BOUGHT OUT PUBLIC SERVANTS IN WASHINGTON,KISS ISREALS SHOES,THEIR REAL MASTERS.BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS,HAVE GONE THEIR TO LET THE WORLD KNOW THAT THEY PLEDGE TO SERVE ISREAL,WITH EVERY OUNCE OF AMERICAN BLOOD AT ALL COSTS,AND LOOK AT THE AMERICAN BODY COUNT,UP AND RISING,ISREAL BODY COUNT ZIP.OH AND WHAT WAS THE NEWS HYPE AT THE START OF THIS INVASION,THEY HAVE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION,THAT WAS THE NEWS STORY TOP HEADLINE IN THE 96 PER cent OF THE LIBERAL OWNED NEWSPAPERS IN THIS NATION,DAM THE TRUTH.WELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE WOKEN UP AND THIS NEXT ELECTION THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY,AND ALL THE BLIND,LEFT WING BUNCH WILL BE THE CAUSE OF THE TEA PARTY COMING OF AGE,SO LAUGH ABOUT IT WHEN THE LEFT WING AGENDA IN THE NATION GETS KICKED OUT OF POWER.YOU SEE ALL US PEOPLE IN THIS NATION ARE SICK OF THE TRAITORS IN GOVERNMENT PERIOD.

        • Patricia Henson

          Dear Right Winger, It saddens me to see so much hatred directed at Israel. The truth of the matter is though is that the U.S. wanted the war in Iraq, that war has been coming since the failed attempt on Bush seniors part to oust Saddam Hussein. Our own intellegence agencies were telling Bush jr. that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I don’t think that you can blame 9-11 on the Jewish people either as I didn’t see one Jew on any of those airplanes, didn’t see a Jewish war plane in the bunch either. It must be tiring hating just for the sake of hating and I feel sorry for you. I hope you feel beter soon and have a nice day. May the God of the Jewish people bless you greatly.

      • http://www.sylviasmart.com Sylvia Smart

        I lived and worked in Jerusalem for a number of years. You are wrong about Israel and the Arab/Israel conflict in the middle east. If you want to talk about this subject you need to educate yourself. I suggest you go there and see for yourself what the reality is. I think I know more about it than you do after 15 years living there and working and interacting on both sides of Jerusalem. I am 63 years old. My father was a 20 year U.S. Naval Veteran who served on the Nevada at Pearl Harbor. We have a history of sevice and love for our country. If he could fight the Nazi’s and the Japanese to protect our freedom – I can stand up against the gangsters and fascists that we face today.

        The myth of Israel’s dependence on the U.S. is promoted by the main stream media. Israel can and will take care of herself – the question is will she take care of us too when the time comes? We don’t deserve this staunch friend – but they believe in Democracy and Freedom and they too love America for what she stood for in the past! Israel is the classic example of intelligence and hardwork, integrity and dedication to Liberty winning out over unbelievable odds. Here are some written-in-stone FACTS and not skin head, fascist rhetoric.

        Nationhood and Jerusalem – Israel became a nation in 1312 BCE, Two thousand years before the rise of Islam.
        Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel
        Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.
        The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 CE lasted no more than 22 years.
        For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, the Arab leaders did not come to visit.
        Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures (the old testament). Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.
        King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.
        Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.
        Arab and Jewish Refugees: in 1948 the ARab refugees were encvouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.
        The Jewish reguees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab rutality, persecution and pogroms.
        The number of Arab reguees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.
        Arab regu4es were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast ARab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since WWII, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated i9nto their own people’s lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey….
        The Arab-Israeli Conflict ; the Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The ARab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.
        The PLO’s charter still calls for the dstruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the WEst Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them.
        Under Jordanian rules, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslims and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

        The list goes on and on …….. the point is that while I lived there and since then, not one American Soldier has ever died to defend Liberty or Freedom in the Democratic State of Israel. When they were offered military personel as advisors they turned that offer down. They said that if they needed Americans to die for their freedom, they didn’t deserve to be free. And contrary to what you might think, Israel pays for the arms it purchases. Israeli citizens have paid up to 75% of their income taxes for defense. Israel also paid money for every inch of land to establish the modern State of Israel. I worked for a Muslim in East Jerusalem and I worked with many wealthy and influencial Muslims in Jerusalem and Bethleham. I traveled throughout Israel and in the East Bank. I can tell you straight out that those Arabs that you so love hate you and all Christians far more than they hate Jews. Their sole and most important goal is to kill all of us – it is the sacred duty of any Muslim to “kill the infidel”. When they say here in the U.S. that they do not advocate the killing of innocent people = according to Islam the only “innocent” person must be a Muslim – all others are infidels and must either convert to Islam or be killed. Their religious leaders have clearly instructed them that it is OK to lie and mislead Americans in order to facilitate setting up a World Caliphate. Mohammed was a master of deception and lies and he openly condoned any means to dominate the World.

        As far as Israel – that country is the only thing standing between us and Nuclear war at this point. Iran knows that if they nuke anyone, Israel will retaliate with total destruction of their oil fields throughout the Middle East! If Obama continues to side with his fellow Muslims and the Organization of the Islamic Brotherhood that purchased his Presidency – our Country will be destroyed. This is his sacred mission. He did not kiss the Saudi Prince’s ring for nothing. That is his leader – not the American people. What greater Islamic feat than to detonate a nuclear suicide bomb?!?! Everytime he leaves the U.S. I get nervous, especially if he takes his kids with him. You had better pray that the ingenuity and steadfastness of the Jewish people remains firmly standing in front of you to protect you from the Islamic Third Jihad. Don’t for a minute think that Muslims will be merciful or tolerant – that is flat out against their most basic beliefs – and they don’t hide this from anyone – they tell us everyday what they intend to do to us – but we just sit there and say: “Oh, no, you would never actually do that!” Ignorance of the American people is Obama’s greatest asset. His wife almost spilled the beans when she said America is an Evil, Cruel country and that she was never proud of America until Obama came to power. Since then they have obviously asked her to just flaunt her $6000 handbags and keep her mouth shut.

        Come on folks! If a little Country like Israel can stand up to the Forces of Evil and not bend – Americans can stand up and win too. They are no match for us if we stand together. You will say: “I can’t afford to travel to DC to demonstrate. I can’t take the time from work. People will ridicule me. My wife says I’m crazy. My grown kids are Obaminites. I’m disabled and can’t stand or walk.” The truth is that you cannot afford not to come! If you do not act and act soon – you won’t have to worry about missing work, or about your physical disability – because you will be poor, out-of-work, and without medicine or medical care within 2-3 years. He is dismantling our missile defense system, shutting down the prisons, recruiting felons to come to our homes and intimidate us with the census that he has taken over, plans to tag our homes with GPS coordinates, require travel permits if we want to go out-of-town, and has just assigned another CZAR to monitor the Internet and regulate it! Do we have to be hit on the head with a hammer? Make your plans now to be in DC on Sept 11 and 12. Shut them down. It is our Capitol – not theirs! I think we need to call this mission: Take Back America and Defend Our Constitution.

        • FarRightWinger

          I haved read your long , but interesting epoch and it still has only one impact on me: you defend israel on any price, by any means. I agree with your opinion on NObama, but let me ask you: do u know the names who supported NObama by MILLIONS of money to be elected? Oooh….. I see names not really with “Aryan” , or American origins. If you do a very little research on this, you will find out. Giving you a list of names here, would give you the idea; i had a bad dream… So, do it by yourself and you will see teh conspiracy theory behind it: why the richest (and zionist) jews supported NObama with tons of money and now their “doll” is moving away from them? And they just let him play with the ‘brotherhood if islam’? No hard feelings ha?
          If he would do just for one second, I think he would end up as JFK… You don’t need to believe everything what you directlky see in politics, maybe behind-the-scenes, the real issue is more difficult to predict.

        • 13th Gen. American

          FRW is way beyond reasoning. His hate for the jews and others is like a deep demonic hate that there is no rational behind any of his thoughts and they are all conspiracy theorys. Love the post though. God also did say a friend of the Jews is a friend of Gods. The Jews are the apple of Gods eye. I do feel for FRW. He does prove that we in America have the right to speak our mind, Even if it is full of crazy ass stupid shit. I guess the best is to let every one get a good laugh over him and move on.

  • http://www.southfloridaseniorhousing.com Tisch

    Wonder if the US Attorney will demand the LA Times release the video of obama at the soiree with terrorists….

  • ONTIME

    As the Dear Leader and his cronie’s socialist position becomes less defensible and their skin grows more thin, we are going to see the right to dissent be tested to the max and then it might be the right to assembly, after that it will be blood baths in the street like in Iran and the PRC.
    O.B.A.M.A. = One Big A** Mistake America

  • http://DNA Buddy

    Living in Nevada, I am familiar with the history here. Strange but the southern most area of Nevada was never accepted into the Uinion, Specifically, when Nevada joined the Union during the civil war, the area to the south of 37 deg longitude was left in Arizona territory. Then when Arizona joined the Union, its northern border went to the Colorado River. Hence the southern triangle of Nevada was neither included when Nevada became a state nor when Arizona became a state.
    Interesting that the area in which both Las Vegas and Nellis AFB are situated waqs never formally accepted into the Union.
    . . . And nothing can be done about it now! Just like nothing can be done about paying people with having a problem with paying people with legal tender.
    However, my guess is that the Union will be a thing of the past before too long, so there is hope for the sovereign states.

    • Cathy

      Now this I find extremely interesting! I live in Las Vegas…this is the first time I’ve ever heard about this. So we’re not part of the US? That would suit me just fine.

      • Salmon

        So! You have now found the other country that you would rather live in. How to deal with needing a passport to get to Reno?

  • http://nicholsharvey50@yahoo.com harvey

    obama-kennedy-durbin-whitehouse-schumer-kerry-gillibrand -levin-frank-dodd-cardin mendez-feinstein-pelosi-snow-and many more.these people that have been elected by the voters in their districts to go to washington and do the peoples buisness.theres just one thing wrong.the buisness they have been doing is none of the peoples buisness(bailouts).these elected people that is working for you are delibertly trying to destroy america.theres no other .answer as to why they would make some of the decisions they make.theres only one reason why when this country is so much in debt that they would want to borrow trillions of dollars more.obama and these liberals have got to be stopped.i have been a democrat since i was 18 years old until 2 months ago. iwould like to ask americas forgivness for helping to cause this problem.iam now an independent and will never vote for another democrat.

    • Mike D.

      I am and have been a Dem. all my life, but I VOTE CONSERVATIVE all the time! So it doesn’t really matter what affiliation you are, just that you vote intelligently!

    • Salmon

      Welcome to reality Harvey!

  • FarRightWinger

    SovietAmerica has arrived to us long time ago. What’s ther matter? instead of revoplt against these f*s, the “young people”, negroes, latrinos and other brainwashed enemies of the Constitutional United States have elected NObama, the Kenyan-born marxist idiot.
    Anyone has the right to say: the jurors were ‘ dummies’. Most of these jurors carefully selected to carry out guilty sentences. The DA should eb hnaged? many of them SHOULD BE yes, upon a Revolution. How many innocents are behind bars, bc the prosecutors hidden the evidences from defense? How many guilty criminals were released by them based on “racial profiling”?

  • Dean Harris

    The liberal one world order bho, and the one world order CONSTITUTIONAL HATING LIBERAL DEMOCRATES, are in all the key offices that will totally destroy our nation. The acorn criminals will do everything they can to get their one world order boy to stay were he is at. bho does not know anything he has been trained by a one world order guy by the name of zbigniew brzezinski hiis foreign advisor. Because Americans did not get it together, or try to find out who this is bho is. The fema camps are ready.

    • Paul Ruby

      Ever hear of the Bilderbergs? The American Union? The Amero? All of these were started before Obama took office. By the way, Bush, Clinton, Cater, G.H.W. Bush, Henry Kissinger, and Peter Jennings are just some of the Americans in the Bilderbergs. Not sure if Obama is yet or not.

  • Dean Harris

    The liberal one world order bho, and the one world order CONSTITUTIONAL HATING LIBERAL DEMOCRATES, are in all the key offices that will totally destroy our nation. The acorn criminals will do everything they can to get their one world order boy to stay were he is at. bho does not know anything he has been trained by a one world order guy by the name of zbigniew brzezinski hiis foreign advisor. Because Americans did not get it together, or try to find out who this is bho is. The fema camps are ready.

  • fly on the wall

    This is stupid. If we have to post our names then think how many nut cases are out there that when they don’t agree will seek you out to beat or kill you. On the internet if some one post some thing that is against the law or a threat to be taken seriously then the police can easily locate that person by their internet address.
    This is one of the worse things they can come up with as far as a persons security.
    Our freedom seems to be a thing of the past.

    • Mike D.

      2010 !

  • 13th Gen. American

    I agree totally with everyone on Obama and the way this country is going. Unfortunatly it is all there in the bible. God said it would happen. It will happen. I however am not going down without a fight. I cant do much but I will do what I can. Especially pray. The best defense against evil is to pray in Jesus name. Ask forgiveness for the sins of our leaders and remind God they do not represent the majority of us. Remember Sodom? God told Abraham he would spare it if he found 10? richeous people. There is still more of us then them. Untill the day God takes us out of here we have to fight the good fight. God said we are not fighting flesh and blood but powers and principalities. There have been corrupt people in government before but there never was a more evil demonic bunch of vile anti-american, anti- God, anti-life, liberal wackjobs than we have now. I just also pray God has mercy on the rest of us for letting this happen.

  • josh

    Dear Mr. President, Senate and House of Representatives:

    I’m planning to move my family and extended family (18-20 mouths) into
    Mexico for my health, and I would like to ask you to assist me.

    We’re planning to simply walk across the border from the U.S. into
    Mexico, and we’ll need your help to make a few arrangements.

    We plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration
    quotas and laws. I’m sure they handle those things the same way you
    do here.

    So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Calderon, that I’m
    on my
    way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:

    Free medical care for my entire family.
    English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services

    I might need, whether I use them or not.

    All Mexico government forms need to also be printed in English.
    I want my kids to be taught Spanish

    by English-speaking (bi-lingual) teachers.

    Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.
    I want my kids to see the American flag on one of the flag poles

    at their school.

    Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.
    I will need a local Mexican driver’s license so I can get easy

    access to government services.

    I do plan to get a car and drive in Mexico, but, I don’t plan

    to purchase car insurance,

    and I probably won’t make any special effort to learn local traffic
    laws.

    In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo

    from their president to leave me alone,

    please be sure that every patrol car has at least

    one English-speaking officer.

    I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put U S. flag
    decals on
    my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th.

    I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.

    I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes,

    or have any labor or tax laws enforced on any business I may start.

    Please have the president tell all the Mexican people to be

    extremely nice and never say a critical things about me or my family,

    or about the strain we might place on their economy.

    I know this is an easy request because you already do all these
    things for
    all his people who come to the U.S. from Mexico. I am sure that
    President
    Calderon won’t mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.

    Thank you so much for your kind help.

    Sincerely, US Citizen & Taxpayer

    • Patricia Henson

      Thank God, the voice of reason. I was thinking of doing the same thing. It may be a little lonely though as I think all of their residents are now here. Unfortunately I don’t think that there’s anyone left over there to pass out the welfare checks, although there should be plenty of housing. No one is left to check drivers licenses or any other form of Id that we may have needed. We’ll have the country to ourselves. Maybe we can get Obama to send us some money, the Mexicans usually use money grams from Walmart. I always see a big long line of them every payday. It will be nice not having to pay taxes. You come see me sometime neighbor.

      • http://www.sylviasmart.com Sylvia Smart

        After our fight to regain our freedom is won here – there is another solution for illegal immigration. We could initiate a “Freedom Mexico” campaign. Go in and clean up the mess, treat the drug cartels as though they were the Taliban. Either establish a democratic Mexican government or offer them annexation as part of the United States of America. Help the Mexican people build the type of prosperty they come here for – and develop their vast natural resources, and bring them up to modern standards in their infra-structure. When we finally locate all the money that was spirited away by the corrupt congress – we could actually stimulate our economy by developing the State of Mexico within our Union. Why couldn’t Mexico become a wonderful addition to our Nation? It seems that all of the people there want to be U.S. Citizens under amnesty – why not just absorb the whole country and be done with it!

        • FarRightWinger

          You forgot one thing: the foundation of America was done by European people, I might say: BY WHITE PEOPLE FOR THE WHITE PEOPLE. Mexican culture is NOT our culture. To add Mexico to the USA would bring more devastating effects than you can imagine.
          Instead sending our troops to Iran, Afghanistan and farther than 50 miles from the borders, these troops should invade and liberate Mexico by US Army-trained paratroopers and let the Mexicans do the rest of it. Then, declare Mexico a free and democratic country where all Mexicans can live peacefully and prosperously.
          Let America belongs to the Americans. NO OPEN BORDER ON THE SOUTH.

        • Paul Ruby

          Sylvia Smart ,

          We already own Puerto Rico and those people have no desire to become a state? They’ve had the opportunity. Why do you feel like you have go liberate everyone? They are grown people, they can do it on their own if they want to. I say keep American tax dollars at home and quit wasteing it on forgeign wars that don’t concern us.

      • Patricia Henson

        Dear Sylvia Smart, Don’t you get tired of going into other countries to save them? I know I do. I have nothing against the Mexican people I just want my country back an am tired of having illegals drain it of money that our people paying taxes have paid into it. Not to mention the jobs they take from our workers who happen to have families to support too. They have to break the law again to get those jobs by using dead Americans social security cards. I think the U.S. has enough criminals without importing more. the very fact that they are entering the country illegally tells me that they are not afraid to break our laws, nor do they respect them. Let me ask you a question Sylvia, In the developing of the U.S. who enveloped this country to make it a productive and free nation? I seem to remember that there were many men and women who lost their lives to make this great country. I also know that the people in Boston knew what they were doing when they said NO to King Georges taxes by dumping the tea into the harbor. They knew the terrible price that they would have to pay. Let the Mexican people say no to their corrupt government and the drug cartels and anyone else involved and let them create their own great country. I’m tired of people wanting things but aren’t willing to pay the price. I’m tired of everyone thinking that if you need something, come to the U.S. to get it. That is whats bancrupting this nation. Who pays once this nation is destroyed?

  • Dale

    While I am concerned over violations of my / our
    free speech rights, they are not without limits.

    Everyone’s heard the one about not screaming
    “FIRE!” in a crowded theater when it’s not really
    on fire. Saying things that may OR MAY NOT
    cause someone else to RE-act in a negative or
    even deadly way, should NOT take away our
    RIGHT to say or write it. We can’t help it if some nut
    ( on the right or the left ) takes matters into their own hands and does something stupid based on what
    anybody says about anything.
    But what does concern and irk me is when someone
    states that they would like to kill someone or wish
    that they’d be killed. Especially if they are threatening
    or wishing death on OUR President. I didn’t vote for
    Obama and routinely write anti-Obama comments
    on discussion/comment boards all over the net ( look
    for my Superman icon under the pseudonym “Common
    Sensei” ). But my dislike of his leftist/socialist politics
    doesn’t mean that I wish he were assasinated. One
    of my very first memories was when I was about 3-4
    years old and seeing my mother severly distraught and crying over something she’d just seen on TV. My father
    was at work and all of my older silblings in school, so I
    was distraught over my mothers emotional crisis. That
    crisis was J.F.K.’s assasination. My mother was a devout
    Christian and very loyal Republican for all of her life.
    What that experience and she taught me is that no
    matter how much you may despise a President and
    his politics, they are STILL your countrys President.
    You must respect the Office even as you are working
    to get him thrown out of that office, LEGALLY. Bill Clinton
    is a perfect example of someone who I couldn’t stand
    to have as my President ( which is why I have an
    “Impeach Clinton” t-shirt ), but I still respected the Office.
    Which HE disrespected by turning… or SOILING the
    Oval Office into the oral office.
    I know that it is REAL EASY to get worked up and
    emotional about how our current President ( and sadly
    Bush before him ) is trashing this country economically
    and culturally and morally. BUT. We CAN NOT let
    ourselves be lowered to the level of the sheepish
    lemmings on the left and let emotions get the best of
    us and say or do things that would DEFEAT our
    purpose. Be strong, be VOCAL. Just don’t be like
    them…STUPID!

    • Patricia Henson

      I agree. I respect the office but I can’t even begin to respect the man. I don’t wish for him to be killed as I don’t wish anyone into Hell. Having said that though respect is earned. Theres nothing about Washington these days that should earn anyones respect. They are tearing this country to pieces at record speeds. I agree that Bush and Clinton are just as bad, but they were slower. Maybe that was actually worse because people didn’t notice. Obama is faster because I really think that he thinks the faster that he can destroy us the faster he can be king of the world. No one should wish harm on another human being though as that is one of Gods commandments.

      • Paul Ruby

        Patricia Henson,

        What is Obama doing to destroy us? Please explain in detail.

        • Patricia Henson

          Dear Paul, There are several things I can speak on to answere your question. Let’s start with the devaluation of our dollar. These stimulus bills that are being passed for instance. Everyone knows that you don’t get out of debt by going farther in debt but Obama passes more and more bills that get us farther behind on stimulus plans that are not creating more jobs but instead are causing companies to fold. He is trying to make the dollar collapse so he can create a one world currency. He will soon begin to tax all of us into oblivion. This isn’t just hype. If you listen carefully to what he says he makes no secret to what he is doing. Now the healthcare bill. If it was so above board why was it hidden in the climate control bill? What does healthcare have to do with climate? In this bill healthcare will be rationed. You will be waiting weeks or months to get the treatment that you need. Older Americans like your parents will be outright denied because of costs or what the government calls viability of the patient. Meaning that they are too old or useless to get the medicine or the treatment that they need. there is so much more that I could go on about but space is limited. Just trust me when I say that Obama is bucking to not just be presidest of the U.S.A. but the World leader and to do that the U.S.A. has to be destroyed and you do that by destroying our money, our military(that’s in the works), our religion, our healthcare, and most important of all our family unit. It’s all in the works. I hope you look into it all and just don’t blow me and people like me off because you think we are crooks. I’m sure other readers out there can help me explain it to you. Maybe better.

        • Oscar Goldman

          Patricia Henson,
          Please show me where you get the information. I’d like to see it?

          The value of the dollar started it’s downward spiral under Bush. I agree that you can’t just keep printing money because it will decrease the value, but please show me where this is part of bigger plan to tax us more?

          I received a federal tax cut earlier this year. Not an increase. The state wants to increase my taxes the federal government gave me a cut.

          Healthcare is just a bad situation. I’m afraid of the Government running it, but we have had national healthcare for a long time. It’s called Medicare and Medicade. Where does it state that healthcare will be rationed? and where does it state in the bill that seniors will be denied. The bills are out there on line. Please research this as you seemed to have so much research already. Copy and paste those parts into this forum for everyone to read.

          Cap & Trade bill is seperate from Health Care Bill. Look on line at Congress.org You can find all the Bills there and who voted for and against them. If the air is bad people will get sick more often. Ever see pictures of Pittsburgh, PA. while the steel mills were operating. It was so dark from polution street lights where on at noon. The buildings were black from soot. We need envirormental protection because companies are greedy. Without the skys would be black and you wouldn’t be able to swim in the oceans or lakes.
          What companies have gone out of business because of Obama Policies? Some have gone because of the economy, others were just poorly run. What policies forced these companies out of business? Healthcare hasn’t passed yet. Cap & Trade hasn’t passed yet. Don’t you think companies would be better off with government healthcare? Then they wouldn’t have to pay for it and they could invest that money back into the company. Take a small 32 million dollar a year business and strap them with a million dollar a year healthcare plan. Wouldn’t it be better for the company to not have to pay that million?
          Please quote an Obama speach that he referes to wanting to become leader of the world. I never heard that before. I’m sure you can find his speaches on line.
          Thanks for your help in showing me these things. I look forward to reading your information and web sites.

  • http://none Elijah

    We already have a national ID system in this country, Its called a Social Security Number. Slap the person’s picture on the social security card, design the card to be hard to duplicate or forge, and imprint the number on state driver license. In no way should federal lawmakers pass laws that require states to maintaine two seperate identification systems. Just encode the SS number on state licenses and it becomes a national ID>

  • http://none Billy Tolar

    Since May2,2009 I've been mixing with the public gathering contasts to support a newly formed orginization of like minded Americans. People who love their counrty,freedoms and liberties. I live in the state of Texas, one of the most conservative states in the U.S.A. Let me tell you, the call to action is not being responded to the way a conservative American should respond when his rights are being threatend.

    Only one out of three are willing to take the first step, which is ORGANIZE. This is Americas problem! The HOPE lies only with GOD almighty and the American people. We must have more than one--third of the people to stand up togather and say ''DAMMIT'' ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.We the people say, ENOUGH IS TO DAM MUCH. We need more than one half of the people to stand up.

    The reasons I am getting is, I didn't know we had a problem, I'm to busy with my on problems, I don't have time to listen to you today. It is not my problem until it comes to Texas. I'm not interested.

    America, you better awaken and draw a line in the sand. Today is one of a precious few free days lift.Today we stand between tyranny and liberty. One must fall.

  • Brant Robinette

    Now, my right to privacy and right to free speech are protected by the Constitution, which is written in plain english and easy to understand. It is NOT an ancient artifact of which to be “interpreted” by progressives nor is it a “living document” to be modified to fit whichever political idealology is trying to establish foothold and control the American citizens lives (whether it be conservative or liberal).

    ANYONE who tries take away such rights provided by the Consitution is treading on our self evident rights as human beings. Any attempt by someone to do so should be considered as an agent of oppression. With that said, if they attempt to do it to myself or my countrymen I will personally consider it an attack on my personal, as well as my countrys, sovereignty, and I will silence them with whatever force is necessary to do so.

    Let me save them some time, my name is Brant Robinette and I live in Plano, Texas. A quick search on any database will bring up my address and phone number… If you, or any organization, believes they should be allowed to take away my rights then please find me and we can discuss it. And I reserve my 2nd amendment rights while we are in discussion.

    • RJWalker

      Seems to me Sarah Palin has done a bit of attempted intimidation of a blogger who has dogged her.

      Is she a Fascist?

      I’m not sure how feel about confidentiality of web posters, but I don’t see any constitutional right to anonymity.

      I personally don’t think much of people willing to express strong opinions and threaten others who hide behind screen names.

      Your mileage may vary….

      • Brant Robinette

        No, if Sarah Palin wants to circumvent the Constitution to intimidate one person, then she is against the founding laws of this country and inate rights of humans, and in turn is an Oppressor.

        If she wanted to push this circumvention to the whole public at large, THEN she would be a Fascist.

        Oh, and good way to bring up Sarah Palin… You somehow think posting your reply means I in some way am hypocritical in that I must obviously support her actions and oppose the above article? Join the league of a million other internet users and short minded liberals that think just because someone is against this congress and current administration that it automatically means they supported the past administration and republican congress.

        GET IT OUT OF YOUR HEAD LIBERALS & PROGRESSIVES, IT IS POSSIBLE TO OPPOSED TO WHAT IS WRONG INSTEAD OF JUST TAKING A SINGLE SIDE AND YELLING THAT THE OTHER IS COMPLETELY WRONG! Want an example? While I would be completely fine with deciding to give up my personal information online with any such posts I am involved in (which you would think that means I am NOT against the above article), it does NOT mean I am for forcing this upon my countrymen (nor does it mean I would give up my own personal rights to CHOOSE to retain my privacy if I so decided). Fascists (and progressives in general), do not understand that there can exist a contrast.

        Sarah Palin, specifically, I’ve never cared much for as a politician or her views, so the “point” you must’ve been trying to get across in your reply not only does not apply but it’s obviously a diversion in an attempt to take the debate offtrack. And saying that the debate is over, or try to change the subject using irrelevant statements (as you did), are tools of a tyrant. A person that knows they are right NEVER backs down from a debate nor tries to change the argument all together.

        • rj walker

          You somehow think posting your reply means I in some way am hypocritical in that I must obviously support her actions and oppose the above article?

          Nope, I just pointed out that she has engaged in the very activity that you complain of. I suppose I should have mentioned that she has not only threatended the one blogger, she has threatened all media outlets which speculate about her reasons for being a quitter,

          BTW: I loved your next observation: “GET IT OUT OF YOUR HEAD LIBERALS & PROGRESSIVES, IT IS POSSIBLE TO OPPOSED TO WHAT IS WRONG INSTEAD OF JUST TAKING A SINGLE SIDE AND YELLING THAT THE OTHER IS COMPLETELY WRONG!”

          I suppose you know that in internet communications, all caps are considered to be yelling: so in that short bit you did the very thing you accuse others of: yelling that liberals and progressives are completely wrong.

    • Skippy Horn

      Have you actually read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?

      Bill of Rights
      Amendment I
      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

      Amendment II

      A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

      • Brant Robinette

        Way to go, you posted that Sarah Palin is engaged in the very activity I complain of, so what’s the point? I do not support her nor would she have any effect on this topic. Your posting of her insinuates that somehow she sides with my idealology, or that I somehow support her, and in turn opposing the above topic is hypocritical. If you think I am wrong, the list exactly why you mentioned her and I’ll listen. But take note, throwing random facts into a debate that has no function is either crazy or is a lie to cover up what someone was trying to really say (if your response is again “I just pointed out Sarah Palin has done the same thing”, then it would have to be one of the two reasons).

        And yet, in typical liberal fashion, you don’t address the reply and instead try to put the debater down by pointing an all caps single sentence out of an entire lengthy post is considered “yelling” in internet terms. It can also a way to bring attention to a particular idea in a lengthy post, as many do not read entire posts anymore. It can also be considered a way to show strict influence on a particular sentence, and that it contains an emotion far beyond the level of other sentences within. But, you choose that it was yelling instead, and diverted to that single sentence to berate against instead of addressing anything else. This is the tool of people who cannot logically debate, have doubts about their stance or cannot back it up with logic, or are simply mad (I left out that they can also be a tyrant, which is another characteristic, however I doubt anyone on here is an established tyrant). Even so, with that all said, if you took it as yelling and were offended, I’m so sorry to have hurt your feelings with internet “yelling”.

        And you read wrong to begin with, I clearly did not say liberals and progressives are completely wrong. I said that on the matter of divisibility between different idealologies that there are other ways to confront one another without solely taking on side and declaring the other side completely wrong. If you can’t make out the difference, then I defer you to obtain some help from someone who can. I’m not aligned with any particular idealology except that of the Constitution as it was written (not a living document meant to be interpretted by whoever is in majority), but in fact I find many great aspects of conservatives, liberals, progressives, independents, etc etc.

        Now, for your original post, besides the random Sarah Palin input, there is Constitutional protection for privacy, which has been verified and reverified throughout case and case from the Supreme Court (even recently), when concerning written document and expression.

        But your next opinion of not thinking much about those who post behind a screenname I actually understand and agree completely (as I will stand behind every single word I write or say, and open myself freely to criticism to the world). HOWEVER, I also understand that others may have a reason to want to remain anonymous (whether it out of fear, false fear, deceit, to present ideas without prejudgice, etc), as not everyone in my country is under my same personal circumstances. And whether it be for good or bad, I do NOT believe in forcing the taking away of anonymity from my countrymen nor does the CONSTITUTION allow it.

  • William

    Hey Mr. U.S. Attorney, who gave you the power to violate a United States Citizen’s Constitutional Rights. We The People did not give you, any member of congress, any member of the senate or the president that power. Back-Off Jack!!!!!!

  • Stassi

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

    • http://www.sylviasmart.com Sylvia Smart

      YES and YES and YES! The time is here – Wake Up America. It is not just our right – it is our obligation and duty to stand up and fight.

  • bruce

    gold is good,guns are good,democrats are bad.

    • Mike D.

      Correction! Gold is good, guns are necessary and liberal Dems. are worthless.

  • http://www.sylviasmart.com Sylvia Smart

    FarRightWinger: Do you know that many Jews voted for and supported Hitler in the beginning of his rise to power? Do you think they were not duped by him? Do you think they wanted to be murdered by their own government? The Jews who are part of the Obama Conspiracy are not the Jews of Israel. They may have Jewish names and distant Jewish heritage but in their hearts they are not Jews and they do not practice Judaism and its fundamental humanitarian agenda. The Israeli’s are the example of Judaism in the modern world. Just like you are probably not a dense, ignorant hillbilly – one of the skinheads that so many Americans despise. When I meet someone with a German last name – I do not automatically assume that they are Nazis. Please use some degree of common sense here. We are not arguing like kids in a sandbox about who’s Daddy is bigger or stronger. We are trying to save our Country from fascism! I hope you get that. Obviously millions of “white” people voted for Obama – many of them are disenchanted and full of remorse with more joining that sentiment each day. Your statements only make them fall into the trap that has been set for them by Obama and his handlers: it is known as “divide and conquer”. I can see your Arayan sensibilities have been inflamed – but you have to understand that Hitler, with his white supremacy idiolgy would have destroyed America completely. I don’t think even you would have liked living under fascism under the Third Reich any more than under Obama. You need to take stock of what America has offered by way of personal freedom and the rules of democracy and the right to succeed and pursue the American Dream. If you have not been able to achieve your dream, blaming it on non-whites or Jews is kind of counterproductive. You enjoy free speech and the right to villify Jews and blame them for the election of an entire Congress and White House, because of those very freedoms. Have you run for public office? Did you prepare yourself to be a leader by getting an education and creating a platform that puts America first? I can’t believe that you did, because of the way you communicate your ideas. By the way, there are almost no “white” people left in the world – all of us “white people” carry a diversity of genetic material in our DNA. If you really want to preserve our Liberty – start reading and studying history – something besides Arayan literature. America was not established just for white people and was not founded on that principle. Read the Declaration of Independence – that is not what it says. Did you know that Jesus was a black man? He was born in Bethleham and raised in Nazareth as a Jew – and the jews of that area at that time were as dark skinned as Ethiopians with kinky hair and decidedly semetic features. Does that matter? No, it doesn’t make one bit of difference. The words that he spoke and the message that he carried are what was important enough to change the world – not one word of it was about white supremacy. This entire discussion started about freedom of speech and what that means to Americans. Jesus was executed because he exercised free speech! He was preaching openly about personal freedom and the Kingdom of Heaven – the Jews in charge and the ruling Romans thought he was preaching subversion/revolution and so the Romans executed him. My position is that although it should not be required to supply names and identification – people who believe in the concepts of Freedm and Liberty should not hide and tremble in fear. We should stand up proudly and bravely if we expect to win. Imagine how strong you and I would be against tyranny, if we were able to put aside racism, and march arm in arm against the Obamination in Washington D.C. That would be a powerful statement – White Supremists and Supporters of Israel’s right to defend herself, standing up together for Freedom and Liberty!! It is a solely American possibility. Loyal American that you are – put down your fist and raise the American Flag for all to see and remember who we are and what we stand for – not Obama, Islam or Wall Street! Ask our fellow Americans to join us – no matter what their color, ethnicity, or political party. Also – just a note of caution – I believe that if we do not do something to resolve the issues within Mexico itself – we will regret it in the future. Closing the border may be a feasible, necessary temporary solution – but not a long-term fix.

    • 13th Gen. American

      I wonder if the sun constantly baking FRW shaved head has an affect on his thought process.

  • Stassi

    Hey I know, Let’s just lock up everyone that doesn’t share our thoughts, the Muslims, Gay & Lezz, the blacks, hispanics, better yet, let’s just put them all on an island someplace and bomb the heck out of it. After all we are right, everyone else is wrong. God told me that white American Christians are the only ones that really matter. What does that half black man have the right to be in the Whitehouse? How dare he? Could you imagine if Thomas Jefferson knew! Jefferson would think Obama should be a servant slave. After all look at all the slaves Jefferson had. Yeah, America just ain’t the same is it. Those damn liberals! death to all librals. It don’t matter that the far right is wingers are war mongers, and spend money only on war. It matter that they can’t come up with good ideas to save their party. It don’t matter that they are connected with big oil and pharmasutical companies that make us all pay more. NO WAY! It’s all Obama’s fault! Everything for the past 30 years can some how be traced back to Obama. Yes I say fight for what we believe in! Even if you all really have no idea what that is any more. And when the going gets tough, we’ll just quick and say it’s for the could of the country. Yes stand up and fight. Seems to of worked well for you in the last election.
    You people are sooooooo sad. You Republican party did it’s self in. Rememer the past 8 years? GW Bush? Remember that guy? If you could have controled him and kept him from violating the Connstitution maybe you would have some ground to stand on. Remember 1996? The Republicans took control of Congress? What did you do with it? There’s a reason Democrats have control of Congress now. Don’t worry they will mess up just lick Republicans did and the Republican or maybe some other party will be in Control. But if you want to take control back and first have to come up with a plan. Did they offer a plan to help the economey? No, they just said no. Did they come up with a budget? Yes, it had no numbers. Get real!
    God loves everyone, not just Christians and Jews. Every go to Sunday School? That’s one of the first things I ever learned. I’m sure if it were up to people like you we’d still have slavary here in the USA. After all you think your better don’t you!

  • Doug

    Hey Stassi take a look at the fake Birth Certificate they presented as Obams’s it stated that his daddy was African ! Hey dummy they did not use African back in 1959 they used Negro, so maybe you can explain to me how they are using a word that was not used for black by in 1961?

    • Paul Ruby

      His father was African. Not African American but true blue African, We used the word Negro here but if you were True African you would present yourself as African. Not much of an argument. Please come up with something better if you want to convice me. Put a link in to web site you get your information from. You Moron!

    • Oscar Goldman

      And the Tucker didn’t have reverse either did it Doug?

      You ought not be calling people names you dipstick.

  • Bob

    For the most part I don’t like the ACLU, but in this case I agree with them. The government wants answers and try to through their weight around to get answers, but when the general public wants answers to question relating to Obama then we the general public are told to screw off. This is the worse administration this country has ever see and will do nothing but bring the US down to it’s knees. As American citizens we must ban together and fight, legally to bring this administration down and the people take America back. The Constitution was written in such a way that we the people were to be self governing, but the government has slowly over the years taken our right away. We must take out rights back and tell the government we are the boss. Wake up America and take a stand.

  • Paul Ruby

    Doug,
    In January 2009, a teacher at the Honolulu prep school attended by Barack Obama
    recalled discussing his birth with the obstetrician who had delivered him:

    When Barack Hussein Obama places his hand on the Bible to take the oath
    of office as 44th president of the United States, Barbara Nelson of Kenmore
    will undoubtedly think back to the day he was born. It was Aug. 4, 1961, at
    Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu.

    “I may be the only person left who specifically remembers his birth. His
    parents are gone, his grandmother is gone, the obstetrician who delivered
    him is gone,” said Nelson, referring to Dr. Rodney T. West, who died in
    February at the age of 98. Here’s the story: Nelson was having dinner at the
    Outrigger Canoe Club on Waikiki Beach with Dr. West, the father of her
    college friend, Jo-Anne. Making conversation, Nelson turned to Dr. West and
    said: “So, tell me something interesting that happened this week,” she
    recalls.
    His response: “Well, today, Stanley had a baby. Now that’s something to
    write home about.”
    The new mother was Stanley (later referred to by her middle name of Ann)
    Dunham, and the baby was Barack Hussein Obama.
    “I penned the name on a napkin, and I did write home about it,” said
    Nelson, knowing that her father, Stanley A. Czurles, director of the Art
    Education Department at Buffalo State College, would be interested in the
    “Stanley” connection.
    She also remembers Dr. West mentioning that the baby’s father was the
    first black student at the University of Hawaii and how taken he was by the
    baby’s name.
    “I remember Dr. West saying ‘Barack Hussein Obama, now that’s a musical
    name,’” said Nelson.
    Ten years after that memorable birth announcement, Nelson would hear the
    Obama name again. This time, the father, now a Kenyan government
    official, was coming to speak at the Punahou School in Honolulu where
    Nelson was teaching and where his 10-year-old son was a newly enrolled
    fifth-grader.

    Read more at Snopes.com

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

    Sometimes it helps to check other place for information other than Fox News.

    • Salmon

      Seems to me he was Barry Soetero? Where did the fairy tale come from?

  • Doug

    Oscar Goldman Reply:

    July 13th, 2009 at 11:55 am

    And the Tucker didn’t have reverse either did it Doug?

    You ought not be calling people names you dipstick.

    [Reply]

    What this, hey Oscar why don’t you go and get your money from OJ and stay off these comments sections

    And Pauly boy you left wing pussy,anything and everything can be changed for a prize except for pussy liberals who could not fight to feed themselves when the time comes. How nice the doctor is dead who delivered him hey asshole I was born at the same hospital 3 years before him and my birth certificate looks nothing like that. And Hawaii is filled with nothing but liberal ass Dems just like you. Provide the orginal anyone can show a fake any pay people off.

    • Oscar Goldman

      My My what harsh words for someone that probably calls himself a Christian. Paul I think we got someone worked up. He’s glad Dr. Tiller is dead. Imagine that.
      Hey Doug, let’s see your birth certifacate. Prove to me I’m wrong. But as it stands right now the proof is in Obama’s favor. Let’s see your proof. Show me please.
      But I doubt you can find it on Fox News.

      We encourage an open discussion with a wide range of viewpoints, even extreme ones, but we will not tolerate racism, profanity or slanderous comments toward the author(s) or comment participants. Make your case passionately, but civilly. Please don’t stoop to name calling. We use filters for spam protection. If your comment does not appear, it is likely because it violates the above policy or contains links or language typical of spam. We reserve the right to remove comments at our discretion.

      Doug you can’t even follow these simple rules can you?

    • Oscar Goldman

      By the way, the Tucker was a car made by Presten Tucker after WWII. He was forced out of business by the the “Big 3″ auto companies who had a strangle hold on Washington at the time. When he first showed his prototype something went wrong with the Transmission and it couldn’t go reverse. A newspaper writter wrote that the cars didn’t even have reverse. There are some people still alive today (but not many) who still believe that the Tucker car didn’t have reverse. My point is that just because you read some article with some person spouting off doesn’t make it true. Gather your facts. If you can prove that you are right I’ll humbly apoligize and give you the credit. But as of now there is lots of proof that Obama was born in the USA.

    • Paul Ruby

      Doug let’s see your birth certificate. Ever think they were changed? Mine looks nothing like Obama’s either. Maybe your’s is different because you weren’t really born, maybe you were hatched. They might have a different form for that. The doctor was 98 years old when he died. That’s life. You think it’s a conspiricy that he’s dead? Wow that would be a streach, 98 year old doctor dies so he he doen’t have to testify about Obama’s Birth. Extra extra read all about it.
      Bottom line is, the courts of this nation looked at the birth certificate, and ruled it to be orginal and true and gave him the right to be President. We have him for four years. Then you have the oppertunity to fire him if you want. But this is somewhat of a demcocrocy government and the people spoke in Nov and elected the man as President. Not much you can do.
      Now if you have some kind of proof that shows the man isn’t American born then you should take it to the federal courts and present your evidence. Until then all you have is hearsay and that doesn’t work. So get over it.
      As far as me being a liberal pussy I think you are sadly mistaken. Plus the fact that you’re not supposed to be name calling here. But given your aparent mental capacity I’ll let it slide because I know people like you resort to name calling and violence when someone actually questions you and you know you can’t back up what you say. So that’s ok. But what isn’t OK is call Stassi Dummy. See now that’s just wrong. Why so violent there Doug? What makes you so angry? You know this is kind of a Christian site and I must say that if you call yourself a Christian you certainly don’t show that you are. Very sad. I hope you repent tonight. Wouldn’t want the reapture to come and you be left behind would you?
      Well anyway, it’s been real, it’s been fun, but not real fun.

  • Doug

    Hey Oscar I got my ticket to Kenya so I can talk to Obams’s Grand Mother and ask her what hut good Obama was born in since she said I say him born. There is as much out there saying he was not born and there is that says he is. And he sure spent a lot of money trying to defend this instead of just getting the orginal and show it.

    And sorry I did not make the Jump to the Tucker automobile from our conversation, and the point you make there can be made about Obama. The people who want this empty vessel to be the president will do anything and everything to discredit anyone who says he does not meet the requirements to be the President of the US. And by the way the Tucker automobile had many advancements that the other automakers did not have so they did everything to knock him out. Samething everytime I have to hear how Obama did this and that never any negative becasue he is getting a free pass from the liberal newspapers, and yet it’s okay to hire people who don’t pay their taxes and make one the head of the treasury dept. Next thing you are going tell me is the Fed is run by the government! Over 40% of households don’t pay any takes, which one do you think voted for liberal left wing president??????

    • Oscar Goldman

      You can’t speak to Obama’s Grandmother unless you can communicate with the dead. She dies in Hawaii during the campaign.
      I showed you the information I found that says he is a legal citizen. If you say different than you show me your proof. Like I said just show me. I found my info on snopes.com. They have the reputation of being correct and providing information on just about every topic. You say “The people who want this empty vessel to be the president will do anything and everything to discredit anyone who says he does not meet the requirements to be the President of the US.” But aren’t you doing everything you can to discredit his requirments to be President? However you’re not yet doing a very good job, but I do give you an “A” for effort as many people believe things they read in blogs.
      As far as the Tucker, you are correct, the Tucker had many advances and it would have cost the Big 3 millions to keep up with him. He built the car too good and they had to do whatever to knock him out. Much like Obama during the campaign. Republicans had a very very weak canidate and they had to and still are trying very hard to make Obama look bad and knock him out. I’m not saying he’s the perfect guy for the job, but so far he hasn’t really done much of anything good or bad. If you disagree please tell me exactly what he has done and back it up with proof. Not just rambling that you’re repeating frone Sean Hannity or Bill O’riely. By the way, I watch them too because I like to get both sides of a story and then decide. I don’t let the media brain wash me.

  • Doug

    Well you better do a better job of reading your own source material! The Grand Mother who died was his Mother’s Grand mother the same one who raised him while his mother was out looking for her next African tribesman. The Grand Mother I am talking about is in Kenya that’s where she said she saw him born!

    As far as Sean and Bill I don’t watch a bunch of blowhards who say they are conservatives yet are not even close to being ones! Why do you say the same BS over and over gee do you get your news from FOX or Bill or Sean. Come get some new material.

    How about what Obama has done to the deficit want to talk about that?. Oh here is comes not him it was Bush, oh and they did not have a liberal ass Dem’s congress two years before OBAMANation came to be the next screwed up kid to become president.

    Next you are going to tell me how Clinton balanced the budget! We have been in debt to the Fed since the 30′S and if the government paid 1 millions dollars a day towards the debt it would take over 300 years to repay we will never be out of debt as long as we have the FED!

    Also maybe you can tell me why Obama fired IG who was investigating AmeriCorps that would eventually lead you to his lovely wife, who by the way had job in Chicago due to her then Hubby passing legislation to help them (Chicago Hospital)but now with her gone they don’t feel the need to put someone back into that position. Come on man this guy is so corrupts and in bed with criminals every college boy like you can see through all the liberal BS that they feed you while going to college.

  • Stassi

    Look out fellows. I think we have a right wing extremist here. You know the ones that Homeland Security warned us about a few months ago.

    • FarRightWinger & Proud!

      “Stassi”? You mean the East German communist terror-group STASI? And you blow your horns about “right-wing extremism”? Right-Wing extremism is traditional American self-defense. You leftist scums have no room in our country. Pack up and move back to your communist-kibutz homeland and let the Palestinian people eat you alive!

  • Oscar Goldman

    I’m sorry Doug, Did I say or post something about Obama’s Grandmother saying she saw him born? I’ve read over what I posted and even looked back at the snopes.com and can’t find that. I did do a quick web search and found that you are right, he does still have a grandmother alive in Kenya. She would be 84 now. I also so a quick blurb about a video that was posted on You Tube of her saying she saw Obama being born. Looks like that was proven to be a hoax, but I’ll try to do some more research for you since you don’t like doing it yourself.

    I say the same stuff because I’m still waiting on proof of this whole birth certificate deal. You brought it up, now prove it to me. That’s all I want is some proof.

    We can agree on one thing. The national debt is unbelievable high. As of July 10 it was 11.5 Trillion Dollars. Are there is no way it will ever get paid back. But if the Economy can back on track and we can stay out of war, it could possibly be paid down. But how do you get the economy back without spending money? If you have any ideas you should share them with your represenitives.
    As for Bush, his war did not help at all. And now that we know the truth about the reason we went to war, you do know the truth don’t you Doug, Bush said while still Governor of Texas that if he ever becomes President he’s going to Invade Iraq because the way to be a true commander n cheif is to have a war. You’ve heard that I’m sure. Plus he through money at the banks and they just took it and ran. Then Obama has thrown it at the states and not all states are spending it as it was intended. I’m lucky, my state is spending it on projects and we can see roads and train stations and things being built.
    Clinton did balance the budget. He didn’t do away with the debt, but he balanced the budget. There is a differnce.
    I know nothing of IG or AmeriCorps so I can’t debate you on that. Sorry.
    And by the way I’m not a collage boy. I have a high scool diploma that’s it. I’ve worked for everything I have. I started in Construction when I was 17 making $3.25 an hour. Also, I happen to be registered Republican. At one time I thought the Republican party was the more ethical party, if that’s the right word. I had Repect for Ronald Regan and George Bush Sr. I thought they were good men. Clinton was a horndog and couldn’t keep his pants on, that’s what got him into trouble, but before that I vited for Bob Doyle. I even voted for good ol’ GW Bush in 2000. He seemed to be better than Gore. But then we got into the whole Iraq war thing and I started reading about ht Project for the New American Century and how the Iraq war was thought up even before Bush became President. Everyone that was in that “Think Tank” ended up is Bushes Cabinit. It all made sense and I realized how corrupt he was. Somewhere along the Repulican Party sided with him on every issue and really became jerks. We ended up with what we have now, Sarah Palin and John Boehner. That’s the best they can do. Even John McCain got brainwashed during the Bush years. Not that I need to explain but I thought I would.

    Please read below for a thought about the Economy.

    How We Get Out of the Great Depression II
    By Steven Stoft, March 2, 2009
    Here we go again: Hoover got us in, and WWII got us out. Bush got us in, and

    to his credit, starting trying to get us out. Though, mostly he threw money at bankers.
    In the Great Depression, Roosevelt tried deficit spending, but he was too timid. Then he stopped in 1937 and the economy nose-dived. It took the humongous deficits of WWII to pull us out of the Great Depression. Those deficits blasted the economy from depression into overdrive.
    Of course after the war, we had to pay off a huge national debt, but during that time, from 1946 to 1980, the economy was mainly quite prosperous. We hit a bad recession when Reagan took office, and his early deficit spending made sense (though he didn’t know it). But then he continued to drive up the debt through the boom years that followed. That didn’t make any sense.
    We are now headed into the worst slump since 1938, and you better hope Obama can fix it because that was not a pretty time. Unfortunately, as in the Great Depression, the extreme conservatives would rather trash the country than have our government succeed. They are much worse than Bush.
    The main thing to remember is that, with consumer spending going down, business is going to lay people off—not hire them. You can’t blame business for this. It’s just a vicious cycle the economy gets into. Any you can’t blame consumers for not spending in bad times. The only way out of this, if we don’t want to wait 10 or 20 years, is for the government to spend, pay unemployment insurance, or give tax breaks to people who will spend (not the rich). Of course there’s also the problem of the banks. Obama should stop saving the bankers, and just take over the bad banks. Once they’re working they can be sold back to the private sector.

    http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

  • Paul Ruby

    Sylvia Smart ,
    Check out the story about ACORN below. You want believe it, it made me so mad. How dare they help an old lady keep her home. What a scary group this is.

    ACORN Helps 84-Year-Old Woman Keep Home
    July 02, 2009

    Irene Leary, 84, faces the loss of her home of 34 years to foreclosure unless her mortgage servicer, OneWest, agrees to modify her loan to affordable terms.

    ACORN members protest Goldman Sachs’ failure to sign on to President Obama’s “Making Home Affordable” plan at the company’s Boston headquarters Tuesday, June 30.

    LOS ANGELES—Irene Leary, 84, faced the loss of her home of 34 years to a sale scheduled for Monday, June 29, but mortgage servicer OneWest postponed the sale for 30 days after protests, both in person and online, by ACORN members, allies, and struggling homeowners.

    ACORN members and supporters in Boston, Columbus, Dallas, Houston, Little Rock, Los Angeles, New York City, Miami, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, San Francisco, Seattle, St. Louis, and Wilmington, protested at the offices of what ACORN is calling the “Home Wrecker 4″: Litton, owned by Goldman Sachs, HomEq, owned by Barclays, American Home Mortgage Servicing, and OneWest. Collectively, these four companies are responsible for the loans of 2 million American families, but they have not signed up for President Obama’s Making Home Affordable plan.
    more on the web site of this sinfull group.
    http://www.acorn.org/

  • Paul Ruby

    Sylvia Smart,
    Where did you get the below information?
    “ACORN basically purchased the votes. More the 75% of the voters who voted for this evil man had never voted before in their lives! Give them $20 and they vote as many times as you want them to, anyway that you want them too. Those were inner-city 3rd generation welfare recipients. If they didn’t go along with it the ACORN thugs were there to intimidate them. This is the same “civilian army” that Obama is currently training – inner city gang bangers to enforce martial law when the time comes.”
    Please show it to me or at least point me in the right direction. This is pretty scary stuff and I would like to see your source of info for myself.
    Thanks

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUzzkT3wKZc Skippy Horn

      I don’t know Paul looks like Sylvia Smart isn’t going to share her source with you. That’s the way it goes with the right wing extremeist. Just try to scare but have no real information to back it up.

  • Raylene

    Only conservatives can write shit like this.

  • Skippy Horn

    Amazing huh?
    Maybe we can blame it all on Benny Hinn?
    What do you say Brian?

  • rj walker

    Brant: “You somehow think posting your reply means I in some way am hypocritical in that I must obviously support her actions and oppose the above article?

    Nope, I was just pointing out for folks reading the thread that Palin haws done the very sort of intimidation (and not just to one blogger) that you say is a sign of fascism. How on earth would I know what your thoughts on her are?.

    BTW: “GET IT OUT OF YOUR HEAD LIBERALS & PROGRESSIVES, IT IS POSSIBLE TO OPPOSED TO WHAT IS WRONG INSTEAD OF JUST TAKING A SINGLE SIDE AND YELLING THAT THE OTHER IS COMPLETELY WRONG!”

    Ahh, the way I read that is that you are yelling at liberals and progressives telling us we are completely wrong.

    Your mileage may vary, of course.

  • Kevin Beck

    This obviously shows that the concept of “Hate Speech” cannot be justified under any concept of “Free Speech.” The first thing that needs to happen is to decriminalize so-called “hate crimes.” It is ludicrous that a crime against anyone should receive an increased punishment based upon the victim being part of a so-called protected class. Anyone who feels that this is minor doesn’t understand the idea that we have a president acting worse than Nixon with his enemies list–this president has a list that’s longer!

  • http://blogs.nbcsports.com/mt-tb.cgi/10883 Florence McFarlane

    I can’t believe that all the hate talk from the right wingers is good for our country. If you want to do the country a favor–push for the indictment of GWB and Cheney for war crimes, dictatorship and murder. You all put them in power and just think if they had loved our country what 90 billion dollars a month could have done for our infrastructure and manufacturing, instead of killing and disstruction in Iraq. If they had been on the ball or possibly not planning it themselves, we would never have had 9’11. Have any of you read Richard Clarks books. God, educate yourselves. Read Paul ONeil’s book and the press secretary’s book. I served in the military but I took my brain and thinking power with me. Have you all investigated C street house?
    I think Murdock should be indicted also along with limbaugh. Why they can make up lies and cause wars and spread hate in the name of free speach is beyond me. They should have taken a lesson from Walter!! Murdock is Austrailian and should go back there. Why anyone would believe anything he puts on his media empire is beyond me also!! I go for the solid news people like Bill Moyers. That’s where I’d go for a tea party–to get murdock off the air with all his liars!!
    Obama has been in office for 6 months and is trying to repair all the damage your people did. It was bush and phil graham of Texas that got rid of deregulation and McCain wanted him for secretary of treasury. Thank God!!!! they didn’t get elected.
    As for prayer in schools. I could go to any school and stand in the entry and say any prayer I wanted. Anyone can pray any time and all the time any place they want!!!! So do it. Thank you for your time. Flo Mc

  • Maria Milana Panopoulos

    Blockquote

    Freedom of speech in America is supposed to mean people are free to express themselves regardless of who gets their feelings hurt. But of late the government boys and girls don’t seem to like that idea. Hence we get terms like hate speech and terrorism and threats lumped into one big category that makes one person’s speech unacceptable—meaning no longer free.

    Blockquote

    The Founding Father’s of *OUR County, have ensured America has established justice, ensured domestic tranquility, provided for the common defense, promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of Liberty. They did ordain and establish America and what she stands for*. Securing our amendment rights with the “Constitution” and allowing anyone to proclaim rights to free speech. If altered by threats of governmental censorship it is as “UNAMERICAN” as the lawmakers who proclaim. Our right is to uphold our freedoms…That is what America was and is built upon. I am an American who loves her Country and stands with my forefathers helping secure the blessings of the liberty, “freedom of speech”. If censorship is allowed, we will lose this right for our future freedoms. Our amendments and rights are in jeopardy even after watching a candidate sworn into office with a hand on a “bible”, which derived from the same Constitution he is proclaiming to uphold before saying, “I will”. The Governmental accountability for trying to change our freedom should make every American want preserve our rights even more. When our freedom ceases with the limited right to post on the internet, text on your cell phone, or speak on a Bluetooth will then that be unacceptable?

  • http://www.humsurfer.com/news/submit?link=http://angelblanken716.blog.com/2011/05/30/improve-your-odds-of-getting-mortgage-loans-for-people-with-bad-credit/ Van Coonse

    The May Mortgage Report just announced that there’s a vast number of new foreclosures on the way, accumulating way more quickly than they’re being removed by foreclosure sales. Is there any way this won’t result in the home loan market falling off a cliff?

  • http://www.readwhatisee.com P Alfonso

    If we begin to get paid in gold we will get 5 cents on the dollar for that is all our dollar is worth.

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