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Upton Says Obamacare Could Be On Chopping Block This Month

January 4, 2011 by  

Upton says Obamacare could be on chopping block this monthA top GOP leader expects that a vote to repeal the healthcare overhaul will be held before President Barack Obama's State of the Union address, and he expects some bipartisan support.

In an interview with FOX News on Jan. 2, Representative Fred Upton (R-Mich.) said that he does not know if there will be enough votes to repeal Obamacare, but he believes it will be close to the two-thirds majority needed to do so. The date of Obama's State of the Union speech has yet to be finalized, but it will likely occur in late January.

Upton, who will become the chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee on Jan. 5, said that it's not just Republicans who wish to repeal Obamacare.

"Watch what happens," Upton told the news provider. "There will be a significant number of Democrats, I think, that will join us."

Despite staunch opposition to the new healthcare provisions, the law is unlikely to be overturned because Democrats still hold a majority in the Senate, and Obama has the power to veto a repeal.

Several new provisions of Obamacare went into effect on Jan. 1, including restrictions on the way insurers can spend their profits from premiums, and a law that allows almost all Medicare beneficiaries to receive free preventative screenings. 

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  • tracystewart

    The “Wise Health Insurance” is quite popular in California and New York. For example it offers the low income health plan. Also offers health insurance for individual with pre-exisiting conditions.

    • Richard

      tracystewart: Please write to your Representatives and express your thoughts.

    • EddieW

      WE cannot repeal Obaba care, because he can veto it….we can and must cut it’s funding!! including the 2 BILLION for Obaba’s 2 private
      armies…to be used against…Afghanistan? NO..Americans!!!!

  • oldtimeyman

    All Congress has to do is DE-FUND that horrible atrocity. Let it wither on the vine.

    Repeal would be nice, but let’s get real.

    • Richard

      oldtimeyman: I am a Senior citizen, as I presume you are from your handle. And, yes I’m old-fashioned. Please let me say that we The People, as well as the House, know that the total repeal of Obamacare will not make it past the Senate or the White House. But it is a very important gesture to show the voters that they intend to do the things we elected them to do. It will only take up a little time and they should vote on it January 12. It will also show the liberals in the Senate and the White House that they mean business—conservative business! I say they are doing the right thing.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Richard….. Most importantly we need to know who is listening in Washington. I think it could whither and die from lack of funding, but I would still like to know who is for it and who is against it. Then we will know who to contact. This ‘war’ is far from won, but by drawing a line in the sand, we will be able to see who stands where.

        • william

          Robin when we know who is for it then we know who to vote against next election. sure write to them. and then vote for their openent in the next election,

        • kate8

          Robin – Defunding will help a little – for now. But the Act still remains on the books to be implemented at a later time.

          We’d better keep a close eye on Congress, and on Obama, too. I would expect him to just go around Congress. Again.

          They knew Obamacare was wildly unpopular when they passed it, so my guess is, they have a plan. They’re making a big show of it now, but what matters is results.

          • Pat R

            Don’t count on anything being done about Health care or anything for that matter! Every person working in DC; works for the IMF. The IMF owns Washington DC and has since 1944. They do not work for “We the People”. Our Representatives and Senators only do what they are told to do or they will not be around for long. The Briton-Woods Act in 1944 deeded a 10 mile by 10 mile tract of land known as Washington DC to the International Monetary Fund. Since that time, Virginia (or Maryland) has reclaimed their part of the land and left 68 Sq. Miles for the
            UNITED STATES CORPORATION. This corp. is our government. Every agency in the government is a separate Sub-corporation. Just check out your local (county) Courts. Each one has a Dunn & Bradstreet Number, and EIN and is traded on the stockmarket. (Is this the way our Founding Fathers set up this Country? That, my friends, is only a small part of what has happened to America since 1871.
            Check out the site and learn how America has been restored to the original de Jure form of Government. Get involved with restoring and taking back America
            http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.org

        • bob wire

          “. Most importantly we need to know who is listening in Washington. I think it could whither and die from lack of funding, but I would still like to know who is for it and who is against it.”

          Well ~that’s all fine and good I suppose but I hope a lot of time is not wasted with this “gesture”, and I believe that’s exactly what it is “posturing” ~ Political posturing for reelection potential. But it’s never been about what they say but what they do. Politicians will say anything to capture the moment.

          I’m not suggesting HCR is all a good thing, but it is one answer to a serious problem that many would prefer to ignore.

          I really don’t believe every senior that legs have failed to provide them transportation deserving a “Power Chair” at everyone else expense. When your legs are too weak to support you, belly can’t hold simple food and your bowel can’t hold your water, your race is all but over. Stepping out in this fast pace world, full of traffic, bacteria and viruses is not being very bright.

          I don’t really believe that millions of dollars of Tax Payers money needs to be spent to keep someone alive just because they have a pulse and have developed the habit of demanding and being met while having one leg in the grave.

          Health Care Providers(insurance companies) along with this baby boomer generation has had a good run at the great American Dream, they have been well provided for and Insurance and health care provides have gotten extremely wealthy in the process.

          It can’t continue ~ as it’s not sustainable as it was! Young working people with families can’t afford it.

          Health Care shouldn’t really be something that is “profit motivated”!

          ~ Sick People ~being someone bread and butter! ~ There is a inherent conflict of interest in the present setup. If everyone was healthy it be curtains for many industries.

          The average age expectancy has increased 12 years for us baby boomers and while this is being being seen as a very good thing ~ it’s coming at a great cost!

          So who’s going to pay it? ~ Who’s left to pay it? people not yet born? Maybe so? Can you say 13.8 Trillion dollars?

          The similus is drying up and states are facing short falls and budget cut as it ends summer of 2011. (maybe it didn’t work? but it bought time) ~ Education and Medicare their greats burden.

          Are we to cut the education of the young, the ones we are passing off the national debit too and deny the aging all at once?

          I find irony in our choices. I’m not attempting to pick on seniors but will admit to my bias as I watch my seniors struggle with their health, medicare and $850.00 per month supplement coverage.

          It’s not much of a life and looks like they might make it to 90 if the oxygen delivery man and the pharmacist don’t screw up.

          I’m left thinking it’s time to reinvent the wheel with our notions of health care.

          • Dale on the left coast

            I know . . . why not get the govt to run it . . . look how well they are looking after the National Debt, Social Security, The Borders and Airline Security. Of course once we are all on Food Stamps . . . another brillian govt program . . . life will be just beautiful . . . much shorter though!!!

          • Dan az

            Its time to not only defund it but its time to cut the guv in half.With a national debt of 14 trillion dollars how can anyone in the guv think of spending more money that is just ludicrous.If the phone lines and faxes dont tell them anything then maybe a million or so people on their door steps will open their eyes.

          • http://facebook Baby

            I’m so with Dan az!!..Would LOVE to see the looks on all their faces when 3 or more Million Americans show up @ The White House!!

        • Ted Crawford

          There might be a small problem with that logic. If I were a progressive,especially one running in 2012, I would feel free to vote to repeal, knowing that obama will surly veto it. We should, however be able to get that information when the vote to over-ride the veto takes place.

      • Robert Smith

        But Richard, as you say, “Please let me say that we The People” it was WE the people who put Obama in office, it was we the people who elected enough folks to get health care in, it was we the people who understand that universal health care will make America stronger…

        Or, is it just “some” people who you think should vote and express opinions in America?

        Rob

        • william

          robert it was a damnd bunch of IDIOTS who put them in. with oprah winfrys support and all of the free publicity she gave him and the sheeple who watch her program. I used to love oprah. I no longer allow her on my tv set,

          • Robert Smith

            You know william… I’ll bet that there are those who are watching others DIE from lack of health care who have less kind names to call those who would deny it than “idiot.”

            This isn’t imaginary “death pannels” made up, it’s REAL people who can’t get any preventative care for things like diabetis that eventually will kill. Yet the treatment is so cheap, proven, and available. Much of that treatment is education that is being denied about that disease and several others.

            How can those greedy folks who deny deny others health care in America sleep? Universal health care is even good for the greedy. Imagine that your secretary gets TB from someone on the corner waiting for a bus. TB is treatable. They die and you get sick. Seems really dumb to me.

            Rob

          • Bruce D.

            In progressive liberal world, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, and a life of servitude to the state is freedom. Socialism is a deadly disease against society and should not be promoted in the United States under the guise of compassion Robert.

        • J.M.R.

          NO WE THE PEOPLE DID NOT VOTE FOR THAT LYING DICK-TATER THERE WAS SOME US THAT SAW THROUGH THAT PIECE OF CRAP.

          • Karolyn

            Majority still rules.

          • Al Sieber

            No Karolyn, what rules is ignorance and stupidity no matter what party.

          • herman richardson

            If you are all for this idiotic think I hope you are the first on the train

          • hflashman

            Actually Herm..the train has left and you’re left standing at the station. Despite the drag by a few, the majority are moving this nation forward into he 21st Century. You can live in the 20th Century and cry about not moving it to the 19th Century…and you and a very few others will be the only ones at the station listening to the hollow echoes of your negativity and ignorance of the need to modernize and stay ahead of the pack.

          • kate8

            Aw, geez, Karolyn. Once again, you display a glaring ignorance of how America is supposed to work.

            Majority does NOT rule! That is democracy, and we are (supposed to be) a REPUBLIC. Mob rule is a bad idea, and the founders recognized this and spoke directly to that point.

            The minority often needs protection from the majority. Just because most people like an idea, that doesn’t make it a good one. This is the purpose of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Any Act of Congress (supposedly) has to pass Constitutional muster to be made law.

            Since you so like to side with the underdog, I point out to you, once again, the hypocracy of your statement. You champion gay rights, even though they are a tiny minority, to the point of giving them preferencial “rights”. Or is it only CERTAIN minorities you think should be elevated? You just can’t have it both ways.

            In any case, poll after poll has shown that the MAJORITY of Americans DO NOT want Obamacare.

            If the majority decided that everyone should sacrifice their firstborn on the altar of saving a tree, would you agree? Or would you do nothing since you don’t have children?

          • Karolyn

            Kate, Kate, Kate – Pick, pick, pick. If you notice, I was responding to the remark about the presidential election. The majority voted for Obama, did it not? You seem to find majority rule just fine when it comes to polls in your favor don’t you? You’re starting to get a little ridiculous in your dogging my every remark.

          • kate8

            Karolyn – What’s the difference? Just because Obama managed to get elected doesn’t mean we have to accept every lousy idea he rams down our throats, through Congress, executive order or court rulings.

            There are still Constitutional guidelines which he has NO authority to override, contrary to his own opinion. Nor does Congress, nor the courts. Yet so many progressives feel that his being there gives license to whatever he wants to do.

            I’m trying to skip your comments, but sometimes they are just too obvious to let pass without rebuttal.

            Maybe it has something to do with how I find your childishness astonishing, as you profess to be so much more enlightened than us backward Christian types. It reminds me too much of the crowd I used to hang with.

          • Karolyn

            Kate – I don’t think I’ve ever said I agree with everything Obama says. That had nothing to do with the answer I gave above. In response to “We the people did not vote for him.” My response was that the majority did, so the poster was wrong.

          • eddie47d

            Yes Karolyn polls are always wrong unless it’s someone elses poll. LOL

          • Dan az

            Eddie
            If you include the dead that voted for him then and only then you can say the majority voted for him.

          • eddie47d

            …and you are trying to win through more spinning of dead people. Way to go champ!

        • Michael J.

          Robert Smith,
          By “We the People” you mean the unions, acorn, millions that didn’t know his middle name was Hussein, Mickey Mouse and a bunch of dead people, right?

          • Mick

            Michael J. says:
            January 4, 2011 at 9:08 am
            Robert Smith,
            By “We the People” you mean the unions, acorn, millions that didn’t know his middle name was Hussein, Mickey Mouse and a bunch of dead people, right?

            &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
            Michael,,,,I think people should pay more attention to what these organizations are doing to America and yes they should pay more attention to the fraud regarding the departed ballots…..

          • hflashman

            Mick….here’s some cases of voter fraud and intimidation during the last election. Dang Democrats anyhows …

            In Illinois, Republican Senate nominee Mark Kirk inadvertently disclosed his plan to send “voter integrity” squads to two predominately African-American neighborhoods of Chicago and two other urban areas of Illinois with significant minority populations “where the other side might be tempted to jigger the numbers somewhat.”

            In Houston, Texas, Tea Party poll watchers claiming to be preventing voter fraud have been accused of “hovering over” voters, “getting into election workers’ faces” and blocking or disrupting lines of voters who were waiting to cast their ballots as early voting got underway. The most aggressive poll watching was at African American and Latino precincts. The Department of Justice is investigating.

            In Wisconsin, Tea Party groups, the pro-corporate Americans for Prosperity, and the state GOP were involved in a vote caging operation that sought to challenge the eligibility of minority and student voters. In addition, dozens of billboards were put up showing people behind bars with an ominous warning that voter fraud is a felony.

            The West Virginia Republican Party sent “ballot security teams” to all of the state’s fifty-five counties in search of “illegal activity” at the polls.

            In Minnesota, a coalition of Tea Party and other right wing groups offered a $500 reward for information leading to voter fraud convictions, an inducement that encouraged voter harassment.

            In Indiana and elsewhere, Republicans and allies were photographing voters at early voting locations.

        • JC

          Robert, try to see Socialized Health care for what it really is.
          Like all Socialist programs the ones who benefit most contribute least and those who work hardest to pay for the rest are subjected to the same watered down health care as the ones who don’t work so hard or not at all.
          It creates even more dependency on Government, ergo: more government control over our lives (and deaths). It allows Government to control our finances, even reaching directly into our bank accounts and taking whatever they deem you owe.
          It places controls on business that may end up so prohibitive on top of what already far too much Government complians…that business will disappear / services will disappear…

          All forms of Socialism fail in the end.

          This is not a defense of the present system of lobbying and cronyism, that has to go as well.
          Personally I would prefer to “shop” for my Health Care in an open and competitive market place. I would prefer to vote with my (uninflated) dollars.

          • hflashman

            JC…just for kicks..what’s ‘socialist” about the health care reform which seperates it from the welfare and subsidies you support for Big corporations and the wealthy? My bet is you’ll come up with some twisted facts which bear no realtionship to reality….or you’ll not respond because you can’t figure out how to make a square argument fit into the round hole.

          • JC

            Good Ol Flash…ever the idiot…
            Who says I support welfare on any level? I Don’t.
            I’d love to see your source of income axed ;)
            And you must think I’m a Republican. I’m Not!
            I’m a Libertarian.

          • hflashman

            JC…so you’re saying health care is not socialist ? Or are you stating it is no dofferent than the welfare and subsidies we allow Big Corporations and the wealthy?

          • JC

            Flash, what the hell are you on?
            What I’m saying is in black and white and plain English.
            Get a grip!

        • marvin

          Robert Smith
          good thing that we know you are a liberal moron or we would think you were stuped,anyone in their right mind knows that blacks and hispanic[some illegal]and the 18 year old know it all,s and some like you ether to stuped or had your hand out for the pie in the sky free free thank obama allmity it all free

        • kenneth

          That would of been back when Obama promised us everything we wanted to hear. Now we have the real Obama. The Obama of change most of us don’t want. I never voted for the man. He was hiding who he was and I took it that he was a liar and a corrupt individual. We the people now know we made a mistake. Look at the polls and read the tea leaves my friend. I will give you the idea that we want health care to change but the kind of change Obama and his lead soldiers gave us wasn’t what many of the representatives wanted from both sides of the ile, and the people they represented. That bill has some good things in it. Why wouldn’t it when it is 2000 pages long, but it’s the other b/s that makes it stink to high heaven. The Republicans and the tea party will find out just who the supports are and who aren’t. Now we will know who will answer for the vote they made back then and then now. We the people will see just what the arguments are with this bill. Maybe actual bipartisan work can start from this and the people’s work can actually get done.

        • Al Sieber

          Well Robert I don’t liked being forced to do anything, “Obama Care” is not voluntary, it’s mandatory. they can fine you or jail you if you don’t accept it.

          • hflashman

            hey Al … ya got a source for being jailed if you don’t adhere to the health care mandates?

        • http://facebook Baby

          Robert..You say “WE”..I’m sorry, but like many others that did NOT vote for Obama..I wish to be NOT counted in that ;-)..Thanks and GOD BLESS!

      • James

        Richard, Repealing a federal law doesn’t require the president’s approval, it only requires a two-thirds vote in Congress. Nor does all of Congress need-be present, a majority would constitute a quorum, and two-thirds of those present could repeal it. However, on something this important all congressmen are usually present.

      • herman richardson

        Richard..you want this crap?? I guess you will be the first in line for your Check

      • JUKEBOX

        I too am a senior citizen, and this horrible monster caused my Medicare Advantage premium to increase 460%. Reading crap like the Donut Hole Provision in comparable to reading some provision of the IRS code, and probably written by some of the same bureaucrats. We need to push our legislators to write things that normal people can understand, not twenty pages of convaluted language that could be condensed to one sentence.

        • Mick

          JUKEBOX says:
          January 4, 2011 at 9:33 am
          I too am a senior citizen, and this horrible monster caused my Medicare Advantage premium to increase 460%. Reading crap like the Donut Hole Provision in comparable to reading some provision of the IRS code, and probably written by some of the same bureaucrats. We need to push our legislators to write things that normal people can understand, not twenty pages of convaluted language that could be condensed to one sentence.
          &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

          But JUKEBOX, if they were to write things that normal people could understand how on earth would they be able to pull the wool over people’s eyes on the daily basis? That’s what keeps the washington crowd and lawyers going, if people were to understand the bills and laws those a-holes pass too many of us would be able to call them on it and they wouldn’t have no recourse but to tell the truth……..

        • Doug

          Jukebox what then would we do with all the dog crap (lawyers). They would have to get a real job instead of writing page after page of convaluted crap. Just like reading a court ruling if they had to put it into staight words and languauge then we would not need lawyers gee what would the world do then?? hmmmmmm

          • Pat R

            It is against the Constitution for a lawyer to be in Congress. The original 13th Amendment stated that a “titled” person was ineligible to hold office. A lawyer is titled “Esquire” by the Queen of England. The BAR association stands for — British Accreditation Registry. All lawyers are required to register with FARA; which means that they are “Foreign Agents” working for the Queen of England. Some are registered with FARA; some are not.
            Please tell me how you feel a “foreign agent” would do anything beneficial for us.

    • Mick

      oldtimeyman says:
      January 4, 2011 at 7:10 am
      All Congress has to do is DE-FUND that horrible atrocity. Let it wither on the vine.

      Repeal would be nice, but let’s get real.
      *****************************************
      oldtimeyman……I am all for defunding this atrocity as you put it but it just will give more ammunitions to the liberals who WILL claim that the republicans are obtructionists and are blocking the progress of having healthcare fo everyone and knowing our stupid society people will buy it, and around and around we go……………

      • hflashman

        Well Mick, I’m all for havng the real debate on Health Care begin. Here’s where the GOP has to face reality instead of enjoying the obstructionist policy of saying ‘no’ to everything on the tale, every bill, no matter what the subject or problem this Nation faces.

        The GOP wants to rid families of the ability to keep thier kids on their family plan until out of college. The GOP wants to raise prescription costs to Seniors and keep in place the “donut hole”. The GOP wants to allow insurance companies to reject policies for pre existing conditions. You support that repeal ?

        Or hw about the requirement people have some type of insurance or ability to pay certificate? Currently, there is a segment of the population….popular perception is the poor and lower incomes, reality is bout 20% of the uninsured are incomes over $50,000/year … where if they get sick, the tromp on over to the Emergency Room and receive free emergency care and stiff us for the bill. We either dictate the refusal to the emergency patient, or assume that people are going to need medical care sooner or later. hat would you rather have? people payingthier way or you paying for the $5,000 emergency room bill because they didn’t want to get insured or save for medical issues? Rather than an extensive emergency room tab they have to pay (or stiff us on), the new health care says…”you have to be able to have insurance or show the ability to pay because we won’t pay for uninsured emergency care forever. You are costing us too much’.

        Now…what’s bad about any of the above?

        • Robert Smith

          Hi hflashman,

          You ask: “Now…what’s bad about any of the above?”

          Might you consider relaxing some of the restrictions on many of our medical professionalls? A doctor doesn’t need to be involved in each and every case.

          For example, a qualified pharmisist can order a test to see if an infection is positive or negative, or if it’s strep throat or something else. Then they can dispense the proper medication. Saves a bundle as there is no office visit to a doctor, etc.

          A PA can do a lot of stuff and prescripe also, again without a Dr. in the loop if a controlled deregulation of these laws are accomplished. They can independantly run a local neighborhoood clinic that will treat a lot of stuff that would otherwise end up in an emergency room. They would also be on hand for educating about insulin (if necessary) and many things like that.

          Rob

        • Mick

          hflashman

          Well Mick, I’m all for havng the real debate on Health Care begin. Here’s where the GOP has to face reality instead of enjoying the obstructionist policy of saying ‘no’ to everything on the tale, every bill, no matter what the subject or problem this Nation faces.

          The GOP wants to rid families of the ability to keep thier kids on their family plan until out of college. The GOP wants to raise prescription costs to Seniors and keep in place the “donut hole”. The GOP wants to allow insurance companies to reject policies for pre existing conditions. You support that repeal ?

          Or hw about the requirement people have some type of insurance or ability to pay certificate? Currently, there is a segment of the population….popular perception is the poor and lower incomes, reality is bout 20% of the uninsured are incomes over $50,000/year … where if they get sick, the tromp on over to the Emergency Room and receive free emergency care and stiff us for the bill. We either dictate the refusal to the emergency patient, or assume that people are going to need medical care sooner or later. hat would you rather have? people payingthier way or you paying for the $5,000 emergency room bill because they didn’t want to get insured or save for medical issues? Rather than an extensive emergency room tab they have to pay (or stiff us on), the new health care says…”you have to be able to have insurance or show the ability to pay because we won’t pay for uninsured emergency care forever. You are costing us too much’.

          Now…what’s bad about any of the above?

          hflashman,,,,

          First of all where do you get your information’s about 20% uninsured are in the $ 50.000 bracket ???
          Second you have kids going to college for ever, after emancipation you’re done, pay your own way, this college subject is a crutch many end up with no job and we still pick-up the bill….
          Now are you saying that we should have a European style healthcare ????

          • hflashman

            Mick…the age of children being allowed to stay on the parent health care is 26. Not forever.

            the 20% of unisured being in the $50,000 and above comes from HHS. I misstated the data. It’s almost double of what I wrote.

            “While the majority of the uninsured are low-income, almost 39% of the uninsured have family income above $50,000.” http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/08/uninsuredoverview/Issuebrief.pdf

            As for whether we should have European style healthcare, I’m not yet in that camp, though I probably would lean that way. I believe in having a public option. You have the choice…public health with ability to purchase riders (such as what is currently close to Medicare), or opt out of the public option and carry private health insurance for all conditions.

            I’d like to see some regulation on doctors as well. No where is it written that doctors should be privileged and make $250,000 / year mandatory. I’d like the public option, and doctors given the choice. The physician can opt out of public health, and treat only private patients…but if they treat one public heath patient, they must treat all public insurance patients. That gives them the market choice.

            A third piece I’d think would make sense is grouping health centers. For example…a city has five hospitals in nearby proximity to each other. Currently, each of those would have all the toys and gadgets duplicated. What would be far more efficient is to have each one treat a different sector of health so as to keep duplication to a minimum. One would be for spinal and back, one would be for neo natal ad birth, one would be for major surgery, etc.

            In brief, that’s the model I think makes sense. Not for universal public health, but having it as an option. Give physicians a choice of staying with private insured patients or not, and streamline hosptial services to be more cost efficient and effective.

            And what I am definitely not for is a return backards to a system that is proven to be broken. By all data, it’s broken.

        • JUKEBOX

          Flash, they need make it so you can keep your kids on your health insurance until they are eligible for Medicare. That would really simplify things, and satisfy you. Oh, I forgot, that would require them to pass another 120,000 page bill.

          • hflashman

            In plain language Jukebox…you have no dea what you’re talking about or what the health care reform is about. You just want to go with what your programmers want you to think and say. Probably because thinking gives you a headache…

          • TIME

            Well Flash,

            It would seem neither do you have any clue what your talking about, but thats based solely by the post you expound on day after day, but I digress.

            So hows that trucking Business you own doing? I mean afterall – your here more than there.

            So let me broach the issue as we all want to know – how much is it that Media Matter & SEIU and HP pays their bloggers now?
            Last I heard its .75 cents a word, so with your post daily that should add up to a hefty sum. at 500 words plus per post and at 20 plus post per day…….

          • hflashman

            Time…did i ever state i was in the trucking business? Nope. The company has trucks…but I’m not in the trucking business. I believe what you mean is the company being in the Ag and natural Resource, manufacturing, and dealing with some finance.

            If you’ll note, there are long hours…and days..when i don’t post.

            But then, you stick with me stating I’m in the trucking business…as usual with everything else you state…it’s par for the course. Wrong.

            LOL

          • Shibamom

            And what makes you so flippin’ smart??? How the hell do you know all the supposed facts??? You make me ill!

          • hflashman

            Shiba..if you find me in error, please feel free to point it out. Of course, saying it is one thing, proving it is another. If you want sources to confirm , ask. Most times i’ll post helpful links. Be forearned though, sometimes i’m too busy to do your research for you.

            So far…the jokesters on this board have the overall tendency to not know their facts…and when called on it, fail to produce any to support the wild insane statements they make. That’s why they froth at the mouth when it’s made public how idiotic and mind controlled they really and truly are.

          • eddie47d

            It sure get’s old doesn’t it Flash. I certainly didn’t know we got paid to do this either.If you find out who does the paying let me in on it.

          • hflashman

            Eddie…seeing what gold did today diving like a rock off a cliff…I doubt ol’ Chip will have anything to send you or I for the lively teachings we give on his forum…

      • william

        so Mick. whats new about the liberals and their constant rant about the republicans??? you seem to think they have been very quite with their rantings. Bud thats all theSTUPID ASSES do. rant and rave about anything the repubs do,

        • Mick

          william says:
          January 4, 2011 at 8:19 am
          so Mick. whats new about the liberals and their constant rant about the republicans??? you seem to think they have been very quite with their rantings. Bud thats all theSTUPID ASSES do. rant and rave about anything the repubs do,
          ***********************************
          william……… On the contrary…reread my post . i am just saying that the Libs don’t need more amunitions they already pass their limits when it come to blaming the other side….

      • marvin

        Mick
        and your point being what ,we sent people to congress last election to ether repeal or defund obamacare and stop the mass illegal migration of this country,being negitive will get nothing doin we got to stay positive and never give in or up it is always the darkest just befor dawn,we have just begun to show are anger at the goverment that work for us and won,t or don,t hear us but a lot of them felt us in nov 2010 and more will in 2012

    • who cares

      old timer should they repeal your SSI and medicare? Why should I pay for yours and all the other republicans. pass a law if you did not served in the Military you are not eligible to receive SSI. how you like it? Because 112 congress wants to repeal SSI, Medicare

  • Richard

    The way it looks now, the House will vote on January 12 to scrap Obamacare in total. Harry Reid has vowed to block the repeal in the Senate. But, even knowing that, the House will do this to show The People that they mean business about fulfilling their promises to the voters and give us some confidence that they will carry-on with the conservative agenda we elected them to pursue. GOOD FOR THEM! It’s time for the “New GOP” to start kicking some tail among the liberal elitists in DC!

    • Mick

      Richard says:
      January 4, 2011 at 7:18 am
      The way it looks now, the House will vote on January 12 to scrap Obamacare in total. Harry Reid has vowed to block the repeal in the Senate. But, even knowing that, the House will do this to show The People that they mean business about fulfilling their promises to the voters and give us some confidence that they will carry-on with the conservative agenda we elected them to pursue. GOOD FOR THEM! It’s time for the “New GOP” to start kicking some tail among the liberal elitists in DC!
      **********************************
      Richard …..Too bad we couldn’t seize the Senate last Nov….

      • william

        so very true Mick. I tried but there were too many liberal minded people voting.we have a very good democrat senator right here whom I respect very much and I do not respect very many democrats AT ALL. I still voted for his oppenant. and he still won. thats how well he is respected and liked by the people he represents,

  • http://aol.com sean murrey

    it would be nice if they can let this get done.

  • cayuga33

    A vote on repeal in the House and the Senate will allow all of us to see which Representatives and Senators are on board with the majority of Americans. We can then dump more of the supporters of Obamacare the next election.

    • Mick

      cayuga33

      although I would love to see that happen but don’t count on it , we have too many people not checking who votes for what, all they’re interested in is what the liberals promise to give them and to hell with the details……

      • william

        Mick you are so right. we have to many dopeheads and proffessiona babymakers who depend on the wellfare machine for their livelyhood.

        • Mick

          william says:
          January 4, 2011 at 8:28 am
          Mick you are so right. we have to many dopeheads and proffessiona babymakers who depend on the wellfare machine for their livelyhood.

          (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
          No doubt in my mind on this one William………..

      • JUKEBOX

        That’s right, let’s vote on it fast, so we can find out what crap is in it sometime in the next five years, after we’re out of office.

    • Robert Smith

      cayuga says: ” We can then dump more of the supporters of Obamacare the next election.”

      Many will die without some sort of insurance. Do you want to take responsibility for that?

      How can anyone say they are “pro-life” and deny anyone insurance?

      Rob

      • william

        robert I am not responsible for seeing that the loafers deadbeats dopeheads and proffessional babymakers have access to insurance. they can buy insurance just as easey as I did. so get off the koolaid and quit mouthing the liberals trademark rant,

        • hflashman

          William…..”they can buy insurance’ … like the rest of us. So you are saying they should buy insurance to keep off the emergency room bad debt lines, yet you are against a bill which requires them to buy insurance ?

          Explain how you legitimize that to where it’s not contradicting…

          • 45caliber

            If they want insurance, they can buy it. If they don’t want insurance, that is their privilege – just as it should be my privilege to not buy it for them with my tax money. If they end up in the hospital without money to pay for their bills, that’s their problem too.

          • hflashman

            But 45 … if they end up in the hospital and then stiff the hosptial, you pay for it anyhows…and it s a huge bill as it’s emergency room serbvices.

            A friend was in an auto accident. She was taken to the e room, stayed for a grand total of six hours while they performed tests and checks etc. She walked out afterwards 9though needing to be aided by holding onto my arm). No stitiches or anything. The total tab when she got it was over $10,000. Her auto insurance picked it up.

            Now if someone without insurance goes to the e room because that’s how they use medical services…you, I, everyone here pays that tab when the hosptial is stiffed.

            That’s a good thing rather than have them buy their own insurance?

          • libertytrain

            flash – the actuality is we are all getting “stiffed” when a bill as you described is $10,000.00 – someone at the hospital must be making some money.

          • 45caliber

            As far as I know, tax money does not go to hospitals to pay for people who stiff the hospital. But there are many humanitarians who donate money to such causes. I’ve even given some money to such causes. The problem is that the government politicians are insisting that I MUST pay for them via taxes and fees. I don’t like that insistance.

      • James

        Robert, Health Insurance doesn’t keep people alive, proper diet and exrcise does. With the human body it’s use it or lose it. The Lymph system doesn’t have a pump like the blood system. When one is inactive, the toxins and trash in our body builds up and causes all sorts of ailments. Women live longer than men because they move around more.

        • JUKEBOX

          Right on, the next time you go to the doctor, observe how many of the people in there are obese or morbidly obese, and a lot of them are under 30.

        • Carlucci

          AMEN – !! That’s what it is all about – achieving and maintaining good health, which is impossible for many people as they are so addicted to junk and processed food, not to mention alcohol and pharmaceuticals.

          My mother is almost 80 years old and suffers from arthritis due to her addiction to sugar which has also resulted in obesity. I keep showing her articles about how refined sugar causes inflammation all over the body (not to mention the weight gain), but she just won’t listen. That is the kind of mentality we are dealing with in America.

          And now Fedzilla wants to institute CODEX so we won’t be able to get vitamins, supplements, and whole organic food.

          If Jesus came back today, he’d never stop throwing up…….

      • 45caliber

        Robert:

        You said that many will die without Oblamacare and want to know who is to take responsibility.

        ALL of us die sooner or later. In fact, Oblama has noted that many of the elderly, who no longer pay income tax, should be “allowed” to die early to keep from using up extra tax money (SS). So apparently he and those who voted for this 2000+ page piece of trash have volunteered to take responsibility for those deaths.

        • hflashman

          45—>In fact, Oblama has noted that many of the elderly, who no longer pay income tax, should be “allowed” to die early to keep from using up extra tax money (SS).

          Lying again eh 45? C’mon… post the source for the above quote. jeesh….is there nothing you can tell the truth about? Anything at all?

          • 45caliber

            Look it up yourself. I believe it was included with his comments about his grandmother. Something about giving a pain pill rather than expensive treatments so she (and others) could die.

          • 45caliber

            Incidently, flash -

            Don’t come to the South and start accusing people of lying. People can and have been killed for that. The worst thing you can do down here is call someone a liar. It just isn’t done … because people down here are willing to stand behind what they say and do.

          • hflashman

            45…I’m not accusing you of lying. I stating it as a fact. You back up very few of the statements you make. South, North, East, West….lyin’ is lyin’ …

            Back it up Sparky …

          • 45caliber

            flash:

            I haven’t lied since I was in grade school. You can believe what you like. But again, I do suggest you don’t come South. Your attitude is one reason the South still doesn’t like Northerners.

          • kate8

            45 – Another perfect example of how the Left stays woefully uninformed.

            Flash is just another idiot. That’s why I hadn’t bothered to read the whole conversation before I posted the last comment.

            The same thing was written into Hillarycare under Bill. Seniors and terminal illnesses were to be given palliative care only. No lifesaving measures.

            Personally, I’d accept that. But it should be a personal choice. Otherwise, it is a way of saying that once a person has gone beyond his ability to work, even though he paid heavily throughout his lifetime, he no longer has value as a human being.

            This is just another step toward public acceptance of mandatory killing.

          • hflashman

            45..I apologize. i should have said ‘it’s not anywhere near what you recall’ or ‘it was taken wayyy out of context by whatever news source you remember it from”.

            I do not for an instant believe Pres. Obama said such a statement.

          • eddie47d

            Sometimes Kate8 woefully exaggerates.

          • 45caliber

            flash and eddie: Read more news items. I would especially recommend reading British papers since they like to report on what we do here. And they tell a heck of a lot more than our own press does on many things. (I can’t think of any stories off hand but …) They particularly like to report on Oblama. And, sadly, he did say that the elderly who are in bad health should be allowed to die instead of trying to give them expensive treatment. Pain pills is all he suggested. I don’t know if I saw the article in an American paper or there. I do NOT watch TV news. They never tell more than the headlines anyway.

          • Karolyn

            So 45 What’s wrong with allowing an elderly person in pain the right to die instead of trying to keep them alive?

        • kate8

          45 – I’d go so far as to say that many more will die under Obamacare. That’s the whole idea.

          That, and absolute control over us.

          • Robert Smith

            please explain just how more will die from better and more help from health care professionals kate.

            Looks to me like you’ve made up another whopper.

            Rob

          • kate8

            Robert Smith – It’s not rocket science.

            In the first place, Obamacare is so unpopular, even doctors and other healthcare workers are leaving the profession. Unless they plan to FORCE doctors and other workers to remain (which is likely), there will NOT be enough of these folks to take care of the flood of patients.

            Doctors will be even more strictly regulated than they are now, and will have to follow beaurocratic guidelines for who and what they can treat. Already they have little to offer most people, and they will have even less. Drugs, drugs and more drugs. Drugs alone cause decline in health.

            People deemed unworthy of treatment will be given palliative care and assisted to die. Elderly folks will be considered useless, and encouraged to hit the bone pile. Same with those with chronic debilitating conditions.

            Everyone will have to get vaccines, and this alone is an efficient way to speed along the grim reaper.

            This universal healthcare has nothing to do with health. It’s about government control of even our very bodies. The horrors of this illegal Act by Congress and Obama goes too far to discuss them all here. And, following the usual progressive MO, it FORCES even those who would NEVER go to an allopathic doctor to sign on against their will.

            If you can’t see the problems and implications of this aggregious piece of legislation, which you apparently can’t, there is little else to say to you. You, like most progressives, make decicions and judgments based on emotional appeal instead of rational thinking, and assume those in power know what’s best.

            I’ve had exchanges with you before, RS, and it is an exercise in futility.

          • kate8

            BTW, Hitler also used universal healthcare to gain control of the populace. It is the most efficient way to get all people in the data base and under total control of every part of their lives – and deaths.

            The elderly and infirm are always the first to go. Then they start down the line of dissidents and other ‘undesirables’. There is ample evidence to see that this is exactly what is afoot here, but you are among the heads buried in the sand and, when the genocide begins, will, undoubtedly, be among those who believe it is for the good of all.

          • kate8

            One other thing. As this has been sytematically been put in place around the world, the end-game could not start to be implemented until the United States came under the same system (for obvious reasons). With America down, there is no one left to stand up for humanity.

            You just can’t make this stuff up, Robert. But don’t worry. Just keep cruising down that river in Egypt. Sooner or later, even progressives will get a wake-up call you just can’t sleep through.

          • 45caliber

            You are right. I’d feel sorry for all those progressives if they weren’t so certain that they are right and everyone else is wrong. They refuse to consider that their ideas have never worked anywhere in the world ever. The same for those on welfare. Sooner or later welfare will go away. It simply can’t be paid for forever. And when it does – I’m afraid that many of them are going to try to fight to insist on it and they will get killed. I’ve got relatives in that group.

        • eddie47d

          45; The British love tabloid news so your information is suspect.

      • marvin

        Robert Smith
        we all die and no one wants to pull the plug on anyone well mabe you,ansure me this how has the poor got by up tell now,this obamacare was suppost to insure around 25 to 30 million people,but wound up changeing just about everyone insurance,i pay my one way do you should i have to pay my bills and yours to this coutry was set up as a free nation with life liberty and persuit of happyness not take from the haves and give to you and your kind of free free its all free

        • Robert Smith

          marvin is greedy and people die because they don’t have health care. Looks simple to me.

          Rob

          • kate8

            R S – So, just because marvin doesn’t want to be forced to pay your bills, he’s greedy?

            You’re pathetic.

          • Dan az

            Robert Smith
            So your alright with the fact that you will be paying the bill for 40 million illegals and with the additional 86 million that will be coming across legally with their new cards that big sis just gave them.Is that a fact!or is it just BS and your just here to entertain your lonely hours alone.

      • kenneth

        God said take up your cross and follow me. He didn’t say let me carry your cross while you ride on my back. It’s time people take responsibility of their own lives, or their families. Oh that’s right your party doesn’t have the loyalties to God, or family for that matter. Just live for today and go to the emergency room if you have too much fun. The hell with everything else, let’s take care of me.

        • Robert Smith

          how christian of you kenneth. No mercy for the poor, just let ‘em die.

          Rob

          • kate8

            Christians have always taken care of the poor. WILLINGLY.

            There is nothing Godly about FORCE, confication and theft.

          • Dan az

            Robert Are You Poor?

          • JC

            Mr Smith won’t be happy until we are ALL poor and dying.
            That’s what socialism is…the equal sharing of misery.

    • hflashman

      Cayuga…a vote will show which of the members of Congress are on board with the majoity of people. And the majority do not want repeal.

      • JUKEBOX

        What rock are you living under? Even the New York Times said over 65% of the people don’t like Obamacare!

        • 45caliber

          The majority of people in the low-rent housing district that flash lives in are in favor of Oblamacare. That’s all he bothers to consider.

          • eddie47d

            Now Caliber,you seem to know for certain that Flash lives in a low rent district. You may be correct but if he doesn’t then you lie. So Flash give us the skinny and then I’ll give Caliber a little exposure on that.

          • 45caliber

            No, a lie is NOT guessing. And it is a pretty safe guess from what he’s said several times.

            On the other hand, a lie is a deliberate untruth told to harm someone. And I don’t lie. I may avoid telling you something to avoid hurting your feelings (or someone else’s) but I don’t lie – ever. Frankly, I’m not too worried about hurting the feelings of you or flash. Not after reading many of your posts. Besides, I’m certain you are used to it. It took me some time to get used to people like you accusing me of lying. As I said, those are fighting words here. People here have most definately been killed over that.

          • hflashman

            45 … what to you is a “low rent district” ? If you define it as the area having the second highest per capita earnings in the state and the second highest education level in the state…then you’d be correct because I’m not in the ara of the highest of either.

            I assure you though…it beats the hel* out of anything Texas has to offer…

          • eddie47d

            Caliber;I didn’t say you lie only for you to prove that you don’t. You do exaggerate,manipulate people and situations, spin,enhance and pander to the right and no matter how ridiculous your “facts” are.

        • hflashman

          CNN Polling:
          Favor Oppose: Too liberal Oppose: Not liberal enough Unsure
          43 37 13 7

          Hmmmm…. 43% favor it outsright. 13% oppose it saying it wasn’t liberal enough. 7% were unsure. and only 37% oppose it for being ‘too liberal’. That adds to 56% who favor the health care reform.

          Now…as you were saying ?

          • marvin

            hflashman
            flashless go back to sleep we will wake you if we need a liberal to spout his garbage ,you must have slept thru the 2010 election .all the poles i have saw say repeal obamacare at around 60%

          • hflashman

            Marvin…you’re speaking of the FOX McNews polls and Rasmussen (same thing actually). LOL … now those are polls to rely on

          • 45caliber

            flash:

            And you believe CNN??

          • hflashman

            Any day of the week over FOX McNews. There are other polls showing the support of the health care reform law. I just picked the first credible one found.

        • Robert Smith

          Put me in the catigory of Obama care, Juke.

          I don’t think it goes fare enough in helping those who need health caqre but can’t afford it.

          So, among that 65% who don’t approve are folks who are 180 degrees from your pay or die health care.

          Oh, and QUIT speaking for me.

          Rob

          • kate8

            Okay. That confirms it. You, Robert, are in line for free healthcare.

            Surprise, surprise.

      • kenneth

        Whatever!!!!!!!! You are right! You have got all the answers. I think I just puked in my mouth.

        • Robert Smith

          Don’t go to a doctor unless you can pay.

          That’s YOUR rules.

          Rob

          • kate8

            Robert Smith – Perfectly fine with me.

            I don’t go to doctors, ever. I WON’T go to doctors. I DON’T want even FREE healthcare. I don’t believe in allopathic medicine.

            COUNT ME OUT. I want the right to choose that for myself. I won’t tell you what’s right for you, and don’t want you telling me what I have to do just because you say so.

            If this is so important to you, there are plenty of countries around the world where you can have this. Leave me ALONE.

    • Ted Crawford

      I’m afraid not cayuga33. It’s certain that obama will veto any repeal bill. Therefore as a progressive I would still be comfortable voting to repeal, knowing it will never clear the White House. We may get the information when there is a vote to over-ride the veto.

  • Bill

    What the democrats and the Obamacare supporters have working for them is the fact that as time goes on and the economy gets worse, and it will, more people will be desperate and less people will have health insurance and be open to anything they can get from the government. More and more people will tend to support “free” health insurance as time goes on. I am sure this has been part of the plan all along. Remember, Cloward and Piven suggested putting everybody on welfare to be able to have the most governmental control.

    • Robert Smith

      Hey Bill, the Cloward and Piven thing was picked up and supported by the CONSERVATIVES of the era in an effort to disrupt the Democratic part.

      They FAILED because it was an extremist effort and the Democratic party was actually more in the middle than the right whould have anyone believe.

      Why don’t you tell the whole story about that awful effort that was helped by the extreme right?

      Rob

      • william

        robert why dont you tell the story? you seem to have all of the information. while you are doing it tell the rest of us where we can get the information you seem to have access to,

        • Robert Smith

          Awwww william…

          As long as you insist: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/03/26-3
          In that article you will see how even Nixon went along with some of it.

          When are you on the extreme right going to learn that sloganeering and smearing just ain’t real enough to base politics upon? You will always be found out. The lies and hysterics from Rush and his ilk just don’t stand the light of truth.

          Rob

          • Ted Crawford

            Since you are a fan of “the light of truth” robert, let’s shine some on the progressives spin about debt and deficits. You claim that Reagan ran up the debt. According to The Constitution, Artical 1, Section 7, ALL revenue bills MUST originate in the house. Who was the Speaker throughout Reagans term.. Tip O’Neil (D). You claim that Clinton balanced the budget and created a surplus. Who was the Speaker at that time? Newt Gingrich (R). Finally that Bush’43′ broke the bank. The Speaker at that time was Pelosi (D). That truth is not from any George Soros funded web site, it’s from Congressional sources and The Constitution!

    • Mick

      Bill says:
      January 4, 2011 at 7:50 am
      What the democrats and the Obamacare supporters have working for them is the fact that as time goes on and the economy gets worse, and it will, more people will be desperate and less people will have health insurance and be open to anything they can get from the government. More and more people will tend to support “free” health insurance as time goes on. I am sure this has been part of the plan all along. Remember, Cloward and Piven suggested putting everybody on welfare to be able to have the most governmental control.
      &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
      Bill ,,,that’s part of the Liberal plan USA watch out we’re getting too close to USSA………….

      • JUKEBOX

        That’s why I look for the Dems to propose leaving your kids on your policy until they’re eligible for Medicare.

  • kwullen

    Reid will do his best to block the legislation from coming to any votes in the Senate, because the libs don’t want the country to see how many senate dems will vote with the repubs to try to salvage their senate careers.
    If it were to pass the senate also, would Obama be dumb enough to veto it?
    Yes.

    • Dan az

      Kwullen
      The fact is they are now held responsible for all bills to be attached with the constitutional provision that they are legal.So the fact is this bill will never see the light of day for a vote until they can make it constitutional.

  • Teresa

    Splinters in her Crotch

    A woman from Los Angeles, CA who was a tree hugger, a Democrat, and an anti-hunter, purchased a piece of timberland near Colville, WA. There was a large tree on one of the highest points in the tract. She wanted a good view of the natural splendor of her land so she started to climb the big tree As she neared the top she encountered a spotted owl that attacked her. In her haste to escape, the woman slid down the tree to the ground and got many splinters in her crotch.

    In considerable pain, she hurried to Mt. Carmel ER to see a doctor. She told him she was an environmentalist, a democrat, and an anti-hunter and how she came to get all the splinters.

    The doctor listened to her story with great patience and then told her to go wait in the examining room and he would see if he could help her.

    She sat and waited three hours before the doctor reappeared. The angry woman demanded, “What took you so long?” He smiled and then told her, “Well, I had to get permits from the Environmental Protection Agency, the Forest Service, and the Bureau of Land Management before I could remove old-growth timber from a recreational area. I’m sorry, but due to Obama Care, they turned me down.”

    • Mick

      He,,,he…. GOOD ONE TERESA…………

      • Robert Smith

        But Mick…

        I’m surprised at you for laughing at such a thing.

        The religious right only believes that sex is only for having babies and thus it is NOT a recreational area.

        Or, have you decided that sex can be for recreation?

        Rob

        • Al Sieber

          Rob, what’s that got to do with it. it’s a true joke.

          • Dan az

            Hey Al I think robert is roberta and he was the tree hugger!

          • Al Sieber

            Good one Teresa.

          • Al Sieber

            Dan, I bet he,or she is. I don’t like tree hugger’s. did you ever use “Spotted Owl” helper? it’s like Hamburger helper.

          • Dan az

            Hey Al
            No I always liked them smoked with hickory chips on the barby!

    • william

      Teresa I love it. wouldn’t it be so nice if it were true and wouldn’t it be even nicer if it happened to all of them???

      • Robert Smith

        How christian of you william!

        Pain and suffering for those who don’t agree with you.

        BTW, have you heard they are having specials on indulgences this week. How capitalistic! You can buy your way out if sin.

        Rob

        • kate8

          R S – You are such an insufferable moron. How anyone can be so aggravatingly stupid is beyond belief. You speak of things you obviously know nothing about, as if you somehow do.

          Your audacity leaves me nearly speechless. But then, attempting communication with your camp always leaves me feeling like I’ve slipped into some surreal alternate existence.

          God help us.

    • Teresa

      What most do not seem to get is that this IS Unconstitutional, it Was forced down the Americans throats, and it is OUR freedom and rights we are talking about here. I for one have not seen anyone discuss the fact that they will be inserting a chip in everyone on the plan. The GOP has said they would like to keep the donut hole for the seniors among other things. It is nothing but politics in congress as usual w/their talks, but WE THE PEOPLE have to keep our voices heard EVERY DAY. There is VERY few working things in this bill, out of over 2000 pages there is only a handful of legitimate working things in the bill. I hear all this talk about the majority wins….whos majority??? The majority of democrats that voted in congress????….for an Unconstitutional bill???? I ask you….if I break the law, what happens to me?????

      • hflashman

        TYeresa…please cite the passage which requires a ‘chip’ put into everyone. Go ahead…this i’d like to see. Or is that …. another lie by the Right?

        • Teresa

          The Obama Health care bill under Class II (Paragraph 1, Section B) specifically includes
          ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable.” Then on page 1004 it describes what the term “data” means in paragraph 1, section B:
          14 ‘‘(B) In this paragraph, the term ‘data’ refers to in15
          formation respecting a device described in paragraph (1),
          16 including claims data, patient survey data, standardized
          17 analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of
          18 data from disparate data environments, electronic health
          19 records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the
          20 Secretary”

          What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? Lets see…in page 1004 of the bill.
          Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is a “implantable radio-frequency
          transponder system for patient identification and health information.” The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as “claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary.”

          This sort of device would be implanted in the majority of people who opt to become covered by the public health care option. With the reform of the private insurance companies, who charge outrageous rates, many people will switch their coverage to a more affordable insurance plan. This means the number of people who choose the public option will increase. This also means the number of people chipped will be plentiful as well. The adults who choose to have a chip implanted are the lucky (yes, lucky) ones in this case. Children who are “born in the United States who at the time of birth is not otherwise covered under acceptable coverage” will be qualified and placed into the CHIP or Children’s Health Insurance Program (what a convenient name). With a name like CHIP it would seem consistent to have the chip implanted into a child. Children conceived by parents who are already covered under the public option will more than likely be implanted with a chip by the consent of the parent. Eventually everyone will be implanted with a chip. And with the price and coverage of the public option being so competitive with the private companies, the private company may not survive.

          • marvin

            Teresa
            the flash an,t got a clue if you said the sun is shining and it is 54 degrees old flash[moron] and el stupo smith would say prove it you can not fix stuped you remove or replace it with facts,obamacare is burnt toast and will be repealed or defunded

          • marvin

            Teresa
            the bible saz all will accept the mark of the beast or you will not be able to buy or sell, just my thinking out loud ,what is the differance in wisdom and knowledge ,,knowledge is what you have learned over the years and wisdom is knowing that all you have read and heard is not allways fact,never take anyone or thing at face value,case in point obama

          • hflashman

            Teresa…the claim is false. Easy enough to have checked. But then, it would ruin a good rant to know the truth eh?

            http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/microchip.asp

          • eddie47d

            Yes,Teresa chips can be placed into human beings and at this time only if a doctor recommends it. This can provide faster and more efficient care. The FDA has guidelines on this device that were set up in 2004. A National Healthcare plan wasn’t an issue in setting up rules for the usage of these devices. Right now it is used in a few private hospitals or offices. It may be in the New bill but it is not a mandatory feature. Let’s not reach for the panic button or a preemptive strike until all the facts are in.

          • Michael J.

            HFlashman,
            First of all, implantable RFID chips the size of a grain of rice is old news.
            Second thing, cite a non-biased source for your alleged proof. The people at Snopes are acknowledged Messiah worshipers.

          • Teresa

            flash and eddie….it was in the original bill HR3200 Americas Affordable Health Choice Act…so do not try to discourage the others by making it look as if I am the liar here….do your own research…We were to be the first of its kind, do you think its not coming? Look at our military. Look hard, Biden even opened his mouth on the subject.

        • Teresa

          flash, I told you before, if you had a good idea I would confirm you on it…this is not one of them…this bill was designed to destroy us.

          • Robert Smith

            Teresa,

            The chips are another great ie that is NOT true.

            Do you know of ANYONE who actually has gotten a chip without volunteering for it?

            Of course my dog has one though.

            Rob

          • kate8

            Being chipped is the same as every other progressive agenda. They always start out “voluntary”, but when enough people get used to them they become mandatory.

            There are numerous instances of this very thing.

          • kate8

            Having everyone tagged with a national ID is the whole purpose behind healthcare, anyway. They haven’t been able to get people to accept the national ID, so they decided to do it under the guise of healthcare. This was Hillary’s plan, also.

            The whole idea that govenment cares about our health is ludicrous. Equally absurd is the idea that government’s place is to be a universal parent, as if we are all helpless children. Government is never benevolent, and only fools think this is a good idea.

      • Dan az
        • Dan az

          Flash
          more info for you to digest.
          “Buried deep within the over 1,000 pages of the massive US Health Care Bill (PDF) in a “non-discussed” section titled: Subtitle C-11 Sec. 2521— National Medical Device Registry, and which states its purpose as:

          “The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that—‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and ‘‘(B) is a class III device; or ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable.”

          In “real world speak”, according to this report, this new law, when fully implemented, provides the framework for making the United States the first Nation in the World to require each and every one of its citizens to have implanted in them a radio-frequency identification (RFID) microchip for the purpose of controlling who is, or isn’t, allowed medical care in their country.

          http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/AAHCA09001xml.pdf

          • Dan az

            Flash
            Guess who had vested” interests in these “devices……..Angel-mark, Monsanto, Choicepoint, Accenture and Verichip…”-

          • Dan az

            Robert
            the fact is if you would look at what Ron Paul put forward then you would see in fact that there is a better plan.
            H.R. 1495, the Comprehensive Health Care Reform Act of 2009 (12 pages long)

          • kate8

            Dan az, I don’t know why in the name of heaven we get hooked into bantering with these guys. They aren’t interested in facts. They are only here to be obnoxious.

          • Dan az

            Kate I know but some times its fun to provoke them into finding out the facts and to try and make them disprove it, don’t ya think? At least it makes me research and learn more and more everyday.Wow have I been asleep for a long time.Oh by the way I like the de nile bit its great.

    • Michael J.

      Teresa,
      Great stuff, the woman is lucky she was not subjected to end of life counseling as well.

      • Robert Smith

        Michael,

        IF such a time comes I’d like to know some options besides pain at the end of my life.

        Why would you allow me to stay in pain if I didn’t want to?

        Rob

        • Michael J.

          Robert Smith,
          A painless demise is the one and only thing I would help you with.

          • Al Sieber

            Yeah, I agree Michael J. the sooner, the better.

          • kate8

            By all means, R S. Put us all out of your misery.

  • http://Verizon Bud G.

    Some big names are being mentioned to dump Senator Nelson in Florida and it is about time. If Jeb Bush throws his hat in the ring, it is certain Nelson will be defeated and I believe George Lemieux could also bring him down as he has done an admirable job during his time as a senator from Florida.

    Florida did remove the Socialist Democrats in the House now they need to take care of the Senate and it will get done because we are tired of Congress going against the wishes of the people of this state.

  • Flying Eagle

    The same way Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and President Obama without mercy jammed through OBAMACARE to “we” The People, the new congress should try to dismantle and/or defund it.

    The new congress promissed in writting to “We” The People they meant bussiness.

    • 45caliber

      You don’t understand the system. If the Dems can come up with a way to get legislation passed without giving the Reps a chance to argue about it, it is their method alone. No one else can do it too. It just isn’t FAIR!

      It’s like a local problem here. Several citizens wanted zoning so they could insure they didn’t have anything near them that they didn’t want. Only about ten percent of the people were in favor of it. They finally got zoning passed on the thirteenth vote by slipping it into a special election that no one was expected to worry about. The anti-zoning people immediately got it put on the next election where it was shot down by over 90% of the vote. Those in favor went to court and insisted that it wasn’t fair to shoot down what they had spent years passing! (At least the judge was honest enough to let the recinding vote stand.)

      • hflashman

        45 … what was the municipality where this occurred? Or is it again like much of what you say is “fact’…completely made up?

        • 45caliber

          Alvin, TX.

          • hflashman

            45 … I looked to see if i could find anythng on this as I am interested in land use issues…very much so as i live in a state which has tight land use and it’s successful. There are nimrods who fight it and claim the sky is falling…so their attacks have to be beaten back every once in awhile…but as an Oregonian, our land use laws are sacred to us here as it’s made this state a fantastic place to live as well as protect the family farms from being wasted by uncontrolled growht and the resultng urban sprawl.

            Alas…I couldn’t locate much other than Houston’s ongoing issues …

          • 45caliber

            Alvin is on the south east edge of Houston. It has a population of about 15,000 I think. So far Houston hasn’t tried to obsorb it.

        • 45caliber

          flash:

          I may not tell you everything I know, but I do not “make up” anything. Lying is a Southern No-No. I do know that you in the North believe it is only a business thing, but down here we expect you to stand by what you say and do. I’m bought multi-million dollar items by a simple phone call without any paperwork at all down here – something no one in the North will even consider. On a poll sometime back, lying was considered worse than any crime including murder. (Not sure how it compared with pediphylia though.)

  • TIME

    Before we get ahead of the DOG & PONY show Folks lets ~ see what the new Congress really will do. You all know that an outright repeal will not happen.
    Its highly possible a defunding of parts of it can take place, BUT ~ not until the Budget comes back up for review in a few months.

    Now do you all understand why is so important that you ~ Email, FAX, and Call your state reps if need be daily, and keep doing so?
    Yes, I know there are many who don’t respond, ok ~ so get over it, hey I get over 300 emails per day I don’t respond to, so what.

    They do hear you, and just ONE more single person who contacts them and ask’s them to do their job is all it may take, so keep the presure on don’t stop.

    Only “YOU” can rebuild the DC Beltway!

    • marvin

      TIME
      here in alabama my two rep sen shelby and sessions will reply to me in writing allmost weekly, my ex dem rep bright would email me weekly and my new repub rep roby is allready on my email and call list,i email and call her even befor she takes office get involved call email fax , join heritage foundation, numberusa[an illegal immigration foundation]that speaks loadly aginest illegals,with free fax 1 million strong,the tea party, millions of people speak louder then one

      • TIME

        Marvin,

        Thats great, I am on a first name with many who are not even my reps. My reps respond by calling me many times per month as they get fax’s daily, emails daily, and phone calls weekly many times not nice calls either.

        I know they may not like me a lot, they try and weasel out of what they have done all the time, I then place them right back in the spot light everytime.

        Folks these people work for YOU, so you have to make your POINTS clear and don’t be nasty, just be on target and make them tell the truth!
        Most hate that word.
        So use it to your advantage don’t let them round about you, with mindless overt rhetoric, stay on them like white on rice.

  • Bitter Libertarian

    Amendment I: “Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion, …”

    No Law shall be made that exempts (a direct form of respect) an establishment of religion. Therefor ALL laws exempting religions/churches should be repealed INCLUDING the healthcare bill on the grounds it EXEMPTS AMISH & MUSLIMS!

    If a law cannot be fairly, and equally applied to all citizens it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and therefore ILLEGAL & UNJUST.

    No one need be a “great Constitutional scholar” to understand that.

    You must be at least as smart as a fourth grader though.

    • 45caliber

      I fail to see how you can get that from the Amendment. It says, as you say, “Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion, …” That means, at least to me, that the government can’t establish a religion and/or insist that only one religion be worshipped as is done in many countries of the world.

      It doesn’t say a thing about taxing all of them.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        You dont see how I can get: “Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion, …” Into Congress shall shal make no Healthcare law exempting an establishment of religion??????

        Read Blacks Law dictionary and Websters Dictionary…it doesnt take a Genius to figure out that any Legislation that Congress makes regarding TAXES is a TAX Law. EVERY CHURCH that has exemption under the Constitution is partaking in a Violation of Constitutional Law. Mind you its more the Govt’s crime for granting respect/exemptions.

        This is where many conservatives fail the Constitutional test…many (not necessarily you) Only Use the Constitution when it benefits them or their beliefs. Many Church followers will shout that they enjoy their tax shelters, but in reality you cannot have it both ways.

        Real Freedom as envisioned by the Founders applied to everyone, including those that some society circles may deem unfit (gays, athiests, etc) or else its NOT FREEDOM & LIBERTY.

        • Bitter Libertarian

          Read the Articles of Confederation and combined with the Constitution the Founders would not grant Religion/Church ANY special considerations. The Idea was that ANY special treatment a Govt Gives to a Church is a special treatment that has to be given to Believers and Non believers or else you are not exercising true freedom and Liberty. So to stay out of it completely you cannot grant TAX shelters to a church or religion.

          Not slamming you but just read the words that are there and those words meaning..the Founders didnt play tricks or hidden meanings…

    • hflashman

      BL…please cite the passage exempting Muslims. Bet ya can’t …

      • Bitter Libertarian

        It was in the same paragraph as the Amish exemption. The Amish exemption is good enough for me.
        You can try to pick the First Amendment and twist it any warped angle you want but you need to go back and re-write Websters dictionary..LOL…sorry….YOU LOSE :)

        • hflashman

          BL…you specifically stated it exempted Muslims. What passage are you referring to? Or is it YOU’RE LYING !

          As for the exemption for the Amish…take it to court. Be the one who has that exemption removed. Fine with me. (bet the newly elected GOP Senator from Pa won’t allow it to be removed. Ya wanna bet?)

          • Bitter Libertarian

            Sect 1311! Religious exemptions…

            “(A) Religious conscience exemption.–Such term
            shall not include any individual for any month if such
            individual has in effect an exemption under section
            1311(d)(4)(H) of the Patient Protection and Affordable
            Care Act which certifies that such individual is a
            member of a recognized religious sect or division
            thereof described in section 1402(g)(1) and an adherent
            of established tenets or teachings of such sect or
            division as described in such section.

            Put that in your pipe and smoke it you Jackwagon!

          • eddie47d

            Every site that says Muslims don’t have to pay into healthcare is an anti-Muslim site. They are tooting their own horn not facts. I don’t believe the New plan exempts them. Now they can refuse treatment under religious grounds like any religion but even some of those folks have been taken to court. (allowing their child to die and refusing treatment). The Amish and some Indians have exemptions.

          • hflashman
  • Michael J.

    This is the next battle in the war against the wannabe socialist dictator. Though the outcome is not likely to make it past Reid’s Senate and Obama’s veto pen, it will serve as a standard that will fly in the face of the progressive socialist and reinforce the voice of the people shouted out on November 2nd. It is most important right now that we accept the challenges so that we may feel the exhilaration of victory. Anyone in any walk of life who is content with present mediocrity through tyrany is untrue to himself and to American tradition. Fore it is far better to fight for something than to have lived for nothing.

    Do not resolve to let Washington progressive socialist’s change our heritage, no righteous decision was ever made in a despot’s swivel chair. May God have mercy upon our oponents, because we won’t.

    • 45caliber

      You are correct. But hopefully they can at least de-fund it.

    • Dan az

      Hey mike
      Wasn’t it deemed unconstitutional and didn’t the new speaker say that for a bill to pass it had to have the constitutional law that says it is legal before they would even read it? So how can it even reach a vote if they cant prove it is?

      • Michael J.

        Dan az,
        If Speaker Boehner can make that happen, then sobeit by all means.

  • Mick

    hflashman says:
    January 4, 2011 at 8:50 am
    Mick…the age of children being allowed to stay on the parent health care is 26. Not forever.

    “While the majority of the uninsured are low-income, almost 39% of the uninsured have family income above $50,000.” http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/08/uninsuredoverview/Issuebrief.pdf
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    I’d like to see some regulation on doctors as well. No where is it written that doctors should be privileged and make $250,000 / year mandatory. I’d like the public option, and doctors given the choice. The physician can opt out of public health, and treat only private patients…but if they treat one public heath patient, they must treat all public insurance patients. That gives them the market choice.
    ********************************
    hflashman..And we all know how accurate all of those government reports are . Right ?

    It’s the only thing I agree with you about, regulating doctor’s salary ans also regulate the number of visits for people abusing the system for nothing more than what they call routine check-ups…….
    As for giving the doctor’s the option of private insured patients and public insured patients, they will go where the money is, the days of dedication are pretty much gone…

    A

    • 45caliber

      There are a lot more dedicated doctors around than you might think. The REAL problem here is that the lawyers don’t like the fact that a doctor can make enough money to afford to run against them for political office. (Read Rep. Ron Paul or Sen. Coburn.) So this is designed to make sure they don’t.

      As for the $250,000 a year salary, check to see where it goes. My wife worked as a receptionist for a doctor several years ago. He had to pay the office costs, salary for several people, and $10,000 a MONTH for malpractice insurance. And he treated ALL patients – even when he knew they couldn’t afford to pay him. My doctor now is the same.

      • Mick

        45caliber says:
        January 4, 2011 at 9:40 am
        There are a lot more dedicated doctors around than you might think. The REAL problem here is that the lawyers don’t like the fact that a doctor can make enough money to afford to run against them for political office. (Read Rep. Ron Paul or Sen. Coburn.) So this is designed to make sure they don’t.

        As for the $250,000 a year salary, check to see where it goes. My wife worked as a receptionist for a doctor several years ago. He had to pay the office costs, salary for several people, and $10,000 a MONTH for malpractice insurance. And he treated ALL patients – even when he knew they couldn’t afford to pay him. My doctor now is the same.
        *****************************8
        45caliber…
        I am sure we still have some dedicated doctors they’re hard to find and most the time they’re booked solid just for that reason .I have been searching for a good doctor since 1992, found an excellent one in St Louis but unfortunately he was a hand doctor( the best there is )I haven’t been able to find a general practitioner capable of curing anything affecting me, they’re only capable of writing prescriptions and referrals, in my view MANY ( Not all ) are only overpaid secretaries..I do however agree with you on the malpractice insurance, too many lawsuits are allowed to be filed………

        • 45caliber

          If you live in large cities, good luck finding a good doctor. They are there but they are generally hard to find. But many small towns have them. The doctors aren’t as interested in making lots of money; they want a simpler life style. And I MUCH prefer small towns. In fact, if I had my wish, I want a house in the dead center of 1000+ acres, a ten foot double chain fence and a few lions prowling between the two fences. “Trespassers will be eaten!”

          • Dan az

            45
            Thats funny thats what my old man always wanted to.

    • herman richardson

      If you are putting your faith in these quack doctors, you should have the insurance, so they can go ahead and kill you. I think the world has been filled with fear, just like Hitler did, but do we care, no we are all in line for our CHECKS, not me I go to the vet at least he doesn’t get a kick back from the RX folks, It truly amazes me how stupid the American people are. Promise them protection, and then screw the hell out of them.

    • JUKEBOX

      Why not leave them on forever? According to Michael Moore and his minions, the Fidel Castro health care system is the best in the world.

      • hflashman

        Jukebox … by every measure…it is the best in the world.

        • JC

          Right! Off you go!
          Hasta la Bye Bye. :)

          • hflashman

            Whatever JC. There’s a lot of issues in Cuba, but health care is not one of them. They are hurt by the drug embargo placed on them by the US, so there is a shortage of prescription medication…other than that, there’s not much you can state is bad with the Cuban health care system. Go ahead…look it up

          • Michael J.

            HFlashman,
            As in all communist regimes, there is what you are allowed to see, and then there’s the truth which remains hidden to the outside world.

            According to therealcuba.com
            One of the greatest fallacies about the so called ‘Cuban Revolution’ has to do with healthcare.

            Foreigners who visit Cuba, are fed the official line from Castro’s propaganda machine: “All Cubans are now able to receive excellent healthcare, which is also free.” But the truth is very different. Castro has built excellent health facilities for the use of foreigners, who pay with hard currency for those services.

            Argentinean soccer star Maradona, for example, has traveled several times to Cuba to receive treatment to combat his drug addiction. But Cubans are not even allowed to visit those facilities. Cubans who require medical attention must go to other hospitals, that lack the most minimum requirements needed to take care of their patients.

            In addition, most of these facilities are filthy and patients have to bring their own towels, bed sheets, pillows, or they would have to lay down on dirty bare mattresses stained with blood and other body fluids.

          • 45caliber

            Michael J.:

            I’ve heard the same thing myself.

            Further, flash says that the US is the cause of their drug shortage, due to our embargo. However most of the drugs are made in Canada. They don’t have the embargo. The reason for the fewer drugs is less money (in Cuba) to buy them.

          • hflashman

            45 … the embargo was expanded to include any overseas subsidary of a US company is prohibited. There goes the US pharm products.

        • Jeep

          Not exactly correct, hflashman. Life expectancy in Cuba is still just under life expectancy in the US, in the mid-thirties world-wide. What you fail to mention is that food is rationed in Cuba. And, yes, our largess in the US is responsible for our poor health. And, yet, we still have fair results. Hmmm…Cuba, on the other hand…well, let’s just say that anyone could be “healthy” when your food is rationed, and your freedom is…well, non-existant. Or, are you advocating that the govt should regulate our food intake and exercise programs (and, why not include our work habits to “reduce stress”?)

  • 45caliber

    Our FIRST move should be to reduce spending to eliminate our national debt. This MUST happen even if it does cut some things that the liberals OR conservatives believe are important. The problem is that no matter how good something might be, if we can’t afford it, we have to wait. That’s how I MUST do it at our house. You can’t borrow to have your moment of glory/fun/etc. and then pay it back later if you plan to lead a responsible life. This is even worse since they have no intention of paying it back themselves; they pushed the debt off on us.

    So Oblamacare has to go – at least for now. So does many of their other causes on both sides of the aisle. Or we can all declare bankrupcy and live like they do in Bangladesh.

  • Bitter Libertarian

    Daycare is a service
    Heating/cooling system maintenance is a service
    Land scaping is a service
    Home cleaning is a service
    Food preperation is a service
    Drycleaning/Laundry is a service
    Computer repair is a service
    AND….
    Health Care is a service
    Home Health care is a service

    Many of these “services” existed when the Articles Of Confederation and the Constitution were written and signed. NO WHERE did it even become a consideration for people to be provided these services under the “general Welfare” clause. At no time did the drfters consider forcing any person to partake in these services..PERIOD.

    This is FACISM plain and simple and it needs to stop.

  • Pete Sagi

    A quick scan thru the comments here shows me that none of the posters are familar with the crux of the matter, which is, to whom does Obamacare apply? The most egregious parts of that legislation are 1) the use of IRS form 1099 for what appears to be virtually every transaction and 2) forcing people to purchase health insurance or face penalties. BOTH OF THESE ONLY APPLY TO TAXPAYERS. “Taxpayer” is a specifically defined legal term, meaning a “person” who is subject to Title 26, the infernal revenue codes. THAT DOESN’T MEAN EVERYBODY, because, as written, the tax codes have a very limited application. You have to be engaged in an activity that is taxable for revenue purposes to be the subject of the tax. Mainly, that means a nonresident alien with US sourced income, federal employees, citizens here residing abroad with foreign earned income, and some other narrow catagories. HOWEVER … if you elect to participate in a certain 100% VOLUNTARY social welfare Ponzi scheme known as Social Security, YOU ARE ELECTING TO BE TREATED AS A FEDERAL EMPLOYEE FOR TAX PURPOSES. Use a socialist slavestate number as a taxpayer ID number and either the liability is incurred for the income tax or at least a very strong presumption of liability is incurred. Cease the use of a socialist slavestate number and you will never hear from the IRS. It is pretty much that simple.

    Most people are forced into SSN use via corporate policy, based upon ignorance and fear, BUT THERE IS NO LAW REQUIRING ANYONE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO USE THAT NUMBER AND INCUR LIABILITY FOR THE TAX OR OBAMACARE.

    If you want out of the income tax, socialistic insecurity, state income tax, local income tax, and Obamacare, you need to make your living independently. There are all manner of different services you can render WITHOUT having to punch a clock for corporate Amerika, or you can attempt to educate the corporate entity that you work for that SSN use is voluntary. That is almost impossible. If you make your living out of your own pickup truck fixing plumbing, fixing drains, doing electrical work, HVAC, etc… if you are “self employed” … ridding yourself of the govt. parasite is easy. First, you should have a corporate entity for liability purposes and invoicing purposes. Have the corporate entity that you control remunerate you as a NON taxpayer, expensing out the cost of your remuneration under “other” on the corporate tax filing. The corporate entity will have to file, but need only show an absolute minimum of profit, just enough to stay alive as a corporate entity. You will be out of the system personally. Any clients who believe (wrongly) that they need a taxpayer ID number from you to expense out the cost of services that you render for them are given the corporate taxpayer ID number, and they will be perfectly happy with that, they have no need for your socialist slavestate number if you give them a corporate taxpayer ID. No income tax, no socialistic insecurity, no state income tax, no local income tax, and no Obamacare. Phuggem.

    Pete

    • Teresa

      “muah”….

    • 45caliber

      Pete:

      If SS tax is VOLUNTARY, as you say, why is it they call it a tax and collect it? Or are you saying that it is voluntary only if you decided whether or not to take it?

      Frankly, the way I see it, if they take it out for forty-fifty years than I have every right to get some of it back.

      • Michael J.

        45caliber,
        Pete may be correct, my accountant told me a long time ago that FICA is optional. But as you say, if you have paid in to the SSC for multiple decades and then cease to do so for several years, you may forfeit all you’ve invested.

  • Emmy

    Obama et al, should be on the chopping block – period.

    Do not contribute to the RNC until that happens.
    Do not buy GM products
    Do not buy anything made in China – look at labels.
    Only buy American made regardless of how painful
    Take the time to research companies and their philosophies
    Stop buying from companies that do not support American values, the freedom to worship God, and the freedom to celebrate Christmas openly.
    Stop supporting companies that push the liberal agenda
    Start acting more like Americans who care about America.

    • 45caliber

      I would agree with you except for a couple of things.

      First, the ONLY American made car is one of the Toyotas.

      Second, try finding clothing “Made in the USA”. I’ve given up since I haven’t seen any in over ten years now.

      • hflashman

        45 … I used to be Levis. 24/7 as jeans. Then I heard a bad thing ….China makes ‘em. Levi’s went off the list for any future jeans. That was back around ’07 or so. Here… grab a pair of jeans and the Armstrong wrenches (Craftsman tools haven’t been manufactured here for a number of years as well.).

        http://www.allamericanclothing.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=SFNT&Store_Code=AAC&Affiliate=StillMadeinUSA

        • 45caliber

          I understand that Levis are mostly made in China or the Phillipeans now. I loved them. However the last dozen pairs I’ve bought came apart in less that six months. The cloth was rotten. I was told that the cloth is stored in warehouses that have no walls in the Phillipeans. The humidity rots the cloth as well as molds etc. I don’t know if that is true or not. But much of their cloth isn’t used for at least two years. I do know that the pants I bought were rotten. I contacted Levi about it and received a form letter. I haven’t bought any since.

          Texas had it’s last clothing manufacturer close about twenty years ago. Sears had one in Minnisota about ten years ago but I think it closed too. (Great Northern was the brand name, if I remember correctly.) But I’ve not seen any “Made in the USA” label on clothing in at least five years. And I’ve looked.

  • Bitter Libertarian

    On a Lighter note….How do you starve an Obama supporter?

    • JC

      Cut off his welfare check? LOL

      • Bitter Libertarian

        Hide their welfare check under their work shoes. :P

        • JC

          LOL I was close!

        • 45caliber

          I like!

  • Samkd

    I just want this Obamacare to get before the Supreme Court while we still have a conservatives majority in the Court. Hopefully no other justices will decide to retire during Obama’s term and we can keep some common sense on the Court.. We need a lot of people praying for
    the new House and Senate to do the right things to set our country back on the right track.

  • Samkd

    I just want this Obamacare to get before the Supreme Court while we still have a conservatives majority in the Court. Hopefully no other justices will decide to retire during Obama’s term and we can keep some common sense on the Court. We need a lot of people praying for
    the new House and Senate to do the right things to set our country back on the right track.

  • Samkd

    I just want this Obamacare to get before the Supreme Court while we still have a conservatives majority in the Court. Hopefully no other justices will decide to retire during Obama’s term and we can keep some common sense on the Court. We need people praying forthe new House and Senate to do the right things to set our country back on the right track.

  • http://MSN.com Alice

    Obama should be a president in Africa. Obama would help for poor africans. Obamacare would be best for Africans.

    • Mick

      Alice says:
      January 4, 2011 at 11:19 am
      Obama should be a president in Africa. Obama would help for poor africans. Obamacare would be best for Africans.

      *****************************

      Alice,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,He already is as well for the non working African- Americans

    • JC

      Who would he rob to pay for it there?

  • JC

    Beware of Government Praise of ObamaCare – Facts Tell Different Story
    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/24154

    By Jerry McConnell Friday, June 11, 2010

    In today’s mail I got this very official looking envelope from the Department of Health & Human Services, complete with a note above my name and address stating, “Important Information from Medicare. (But also the Spanish version; I couldn’t find the French, Greek or even the Muslim version) Informacion Importante de Medicare.” How nice of them to waste my tax dollars to add that importante note in Spanish when the English version is almost perfectly identical. Even a liberal could understand the English version.

    But I guess this is the Obama and company idea of letting us know that they are pushing for more Spanish illegal aliens who haven’t a clue or scintilla of the English language (except when they want to protest or sue some Americano.) What’s next? Farsi?

    However, getting back to the mail I received from the illustrious Madam Secretary Kathleen Sebelius telling me what a lucky guy I am that the Affordable Care Act (ObamaCare) passed by Congress (with the help of some turncoat Blue Dog Democrats who were “bought” off) and signed by President Obama that will “provide you and your family greater savings and increased quality health care.”

    That’s interesting in that so many others are saying just the opposite – that the new health law will cost more money and a great deterioration in health care quality, even the Congressional Budget Office. But hey, what’s a little fib between friends, right? We forgive you Kate; we know who you work for, and his truth-telling is also very suspicious and rare.

    Well, this brochure that came in the official envelope was a four-page, glossy paper in full color and was just full of so many gushy and wonderful things that it almost made me forget that when this bunch also get the Congress to vote to give somewhere in the neighborhood of 45 million non-insured, by choice and not by choice, along with free coverage for untold millions of illegal aliens who are in this county illegally and have broken our laws to get here, there won’t be enough doctors or other medical personnel to treat all of us.

    Every country in the world that has this gem of socialism for their medical care has waiting lines and lengthy times for extensive treatments to the point that those country’s citizens have been coming to America to get medical care. So how is all that going to help us?

    “The law increases the number of primary care doctors, nurses, and physician assistants…”
    Probably the most deceitful or deceptive statement in the brochure says: “The guaranteed Medicare benefits you currently receive will remain the same.” If you believe that than you will probably also believe it when they say: “The law increases the number of primary care doctors, nurses, and physician assistants…”

    We keep hearing and reading that we already have a shortage of these medical types and also that many doctors are just going to opt out of the profession due to the many negative factors they face in this law. (See NCPA article below.) Do you want to be treated by a medic that was rushed through medical school and training? That will be a big help, won’t it?

    Ironically, on this same day when the above “jubilation” document was received, the National Center for Policy Analysis posted online (June 02, 2010) another document titled, “SENIORS WILL LOSE BIG UNDER OBAMACARE” authored by Kathryn Nix, dated May 24, 2010, and by Obamacare, they of course mean the aforementioned Affordable Care Act.

    The NCPA article quotes a Heritage Foundation health policy expert named Robert Moffit who says: “Passage of ObamaCare will have negative consequences for practically all Americans. However, it is the nation’s senior citizens who will get the short end of the stick…”

    NCPA also quotes Heritage Foundation‘s Kathryn Nix who states that “For the next generation of senior citizens, finding a doctor will be more difficult and waiting times for appointments are likely to be longer.” She continues, “The American Association of Medical Colleges projects a shortage of 124,000 doctors by 2025. ObamaCare does nothing to reverse this worrisome trend, instead making it worse.”

    NCPA also says that doctors who have a large part of their business with Medicare patients could find it difficult to remain profitable, ending their participation in the program; somewhat due to higher taxes that will be placed on drugs (effective in 2011) and medical devices (effective in 2013) especially affecting seniors due to their heavy dependency on those products.

    So dear readers, believe who you will, but remember, you once believed in the man currently in the White House that promised “CHANGE”; well he certainly has brought change, but not the sort that he envisioned for us as he campaigned for the presidency.

    So far, the changes have been favorable to foreigners, particularly the law-breaking illegal aliens and also to the radical Islams of the world and in this country and the non-working, government bottom feeders that our government has become ‘nanny’ to in their daily living. These changes have come at the expense and detriment to the lawful and taxpaying citizens of the United States of America.

    An old saying tells us: “Be careful what you wish for; you just might get it.”

    • who cares

      Where do get your info? I don’ get any of those things But then again I work even if is part time. complain conplain because it’s in Spanish than you complain because is not in French or Greek, bitch bitch bitch. While the right hand YOU don’t know what is the far right hand is doing The G.O.P. is about to cut healhtcare, SSI, Public Option, and your daddy figure bush w. said they ought to be limits to freedom. see youtube border news 2010, countdown with Keith olbermann you are willing to let these people run this country (part 1 & 2) bitch to someone who care not me.

  • chuckb

    this healthcare debate is really funny, everyone commenting on tha failure and some on the good benefits included in this bill. how many of you really have read and understand this glob of leagaleeze, i’m sure that almost all of the congress and senate have no idea of what’s in this bill, we know lousy pelosi hasn’t read it, barry couldn’t understand it, but, they all know it will collect tax for the government and will control your life and death somewhat.
    for example, at present they are broadcasting in our area about the bill saving us 50% on prescription drug if you hit the donut hole, well, that’s baloney. my wife requires lots of medication and one pill she is taking cost w/o ins. $375.00 per month, with private ins. i pay 70.00, so say i hit the d-hole and i pay #187.50 per month. i can get this same drug out of country for $90.00 for a 3 month supply. whoever concocted this monstrosity of a bill should be exiled
    to the congo. we are far better off with what we had and that needed nothing more than a few revisions. if the illegals want medical care let them buy private ins. the idea that they come into this country illegally and expect us to give them free medical care is certainly ridiculous and the fact barry is giving them this benefit for votes is also ridiculous.

    • Karolyn

      I don’t think the bill is geared toward illegals. Do you realize how many American citizens do not have any kind of healthcare?

      • 45caliber

        Yes, I do. And most of them do not have insurance because they don’t want to. They are young, in good health, and are willing to take the chance of not having insurance so they can save more money.

        Some do not, I know. But again, that isn’t a real problem. Why do you think the emergency rooms are so full? The illegals have learned what many Americans already know. You can go there, get treated, and either pay or not, depending upon your income. Some years ago, my wife went into diabetic coma. I didn’t have a job and no insurance at the time. The doctor waited until I did (about a year more) and the hospital simply wrote the whole thing off. It is there if someone needs it.

        The problem is that you have listened to too many media comments about it. The socialists want us to have a “free” medical system. It makes us more like Europe and it also weakens us economically, which many also want. We actually have the best system in the world already as far as medical care, treatement, and costs are concerned. There are other reasons they want to get rid of it but those are the major ones.

        What media news (and from politicians) says is that we have a terrible system, that the insurance companies are bleeding us dry, and that most other countries of the world have a better system. However, their figures are based on such things as: does the government pay for everything? The real costs are hidden since too many people would freak if the knew the real costs in money and lives. I read an English paper almost daily since they generally have better coverage of many things than we do. And EVERY DAY there is at least one article about how their medical system is failing. Just today, a 15 year old girl died there from swine flu. She was not allowed to have a flu shot – even when her mother offered to pay for it. She wasn’t in the government’s “at risk” group.

        • Al Sieber

          45caliber, that happened to me, years ago I had to have a emergency gall bladder operation and didn’t have health insurance, the hospital wrote it off after I went and talked to them. I know a lot of people who don’t have it and don’t want it forced on them.

  • jopa

    Sixty one percent of Americans favor the Health Care Bill and more and more are coming on board each and every day when they begin to realize the benefits.Anyone voting against the bill or any of it’s provisions may be shooting themselves in the foot and up losing their seats in the next election.

    • chuckb

      jopa

      you must have got those figures at the demo talking point blogg. when people figure out what this bill is going to do for their healthcare they will probably revolt. this is disastrous.

  • Robert Smith

    kate says: “You champion gay rights, even though they are a tiny minority, to the point of giving them preferencial “rights”.”

    Really. What rights do they get that you don’t get?

    Remember, if you say they can’t have kids and get married I’ll remind you that any post-menopausal woman would NEVER to marry by your rules.

    Rob

    • 45caliber

      None that I know about. And we want to keep it that way. I don’t mind if they have the SAME rights – but I object to anyone getting more rights than the rest of us do. But many of the new things they want give them rights the rest of us don’t have. Such as preferencial hiring. Such as “hate” laws that insist that if they are attacked their assalliant will get harsher sentences than if I am. Etc.

    • eddie47d

      Preferential hiring? That’s a crock!

      • hflashman

        Eddie…I have it on good reliable sources (read it somewhere on the internet) that Glenn Beck got his job at FOX because his gay lover is Rush Limbaugh and he pulled a string or two (ahem) and Beck hired above two straight guys.

        If that ain’t preferential treatment I don’t know what is ! And it’s true ! i read it somewhere on the internet !!

    • kate8

      R S – You’ve got to be kidding.

      Yes, they do get preference in hiring. At least in CA. Cross-dressers even have to be allowed to cross-dress, no matter what the business or the wishes of the employer.

      My person biggest beef is with ramming the joys of sexual diversity rammed down the throats of schoolkids, against the values of the parents.

      They have “hate” laws passed that makes a crime against them worse than a crime against others. Offending them is a crime. Preaching the word of God in ones own church can be construed as a hate crime.

      They can force a church to marry them, regardless of their beliefs.

      Next thing you know, we’ll be forced to celebrate pedophiles and other deviants. This is trodding all over the right to ones own beliefs, how to raise our children, and who we want to hire to represent us.

      I don’t care what choices people want to make for their own lives, but don’t force it on others.

      • Karolyn

        Kate – I cannot believe that churches are forced to marry them. Can you cite an incident?

      • who cares

        Kate8 you must be a christian WAKOs?? what you need , sit back see the world go by instead of forcing right wing nut ideas to others in other words do as you preach mind your own business. one in five family members are gay. who is yours???

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