UPDATE: Expanded Gun Background Checks FAILS In Senate Vote

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Not so fast, gun grabbers. The U.S. Senate voted 54-46 late Wednesday against a critical addition to a Democrat-supported gun-control bill, one that the bill’s supporters sorely needed in order to keep the entire piece of legislation alive.

The amendment, sponsored by Senators Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Pat Toomey (R-Pa.), would have added a requirement to the proposed Public Safety and Second Amendment Rights Protection Act mandating background checks on gun sales between private buyers and sellers, an effort to repair the so-called “gun show loophole” that supporters wrongly believe places massive numbers of guns into criminal hands.

The Administration of President Barack Obama had been waging an aggressive campaign to mobilize support for the overall bill. But the Senate’s smackdown of the gun show loophole amendment is already being described as “devastating” to the President’s overall gun control agenda.

Worth noting: RINOs who followed through with their pledge to gut the 2nd Amendment by supporting Wednesday’s lost cause: Republican Senators Susan Collins (Maine), Mark Kirk (Ill.), John McCain (Ariz.) and Toomey voted in favor of the failed amendment.

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Ben Bullard

Reconciling the concept of individual sovereignty with conscientious participation in the modern American political process is a continuing preoccupation for staff writer Ben Bullard. A former community newspaper writer, Bullard has closely observed the manner in which well-meaning small-town politicians and policy makers often accept, unthinkingly, their increasingly marginal role in shaping the quality of their own lives, as well as those of the people whom they serve. He argues that American public policy is plagued by inscrutable and corrupt motives on a national scale, a fundamental problem which individuals, families and communities must strive to solve. This, he argues, can be achieved only as Americans rediscover the principal role each citizen plays in enriching the welfare of our Republic.

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  • Dave

    Still waiting for ANY gun safety measure the NRA lovers would support. So the moral of this story is that no matter how many people die… the money and power of the NRA will be brought to bear on any measure that looks to temper this country’s obsession with violence and the guns as the perferred tools of that violence. Afterall, the NRA is the gun lobby and a reduction in gun sales means Wayne LaPierre might have to find a real job instead of profiting off of dead people and irrational fear.

    • mattogilvie55

      Y’all are still repeating that same lie? Geez, get some original material.

      • Dave

        And I see y’all are not giving any solutions… Geez, get ANY material.

        • mattogilvie55

          Our solutions are the same as they always were…if you don’t like certain provisions of our constitutional form of government, the Constitution provides a procedure for changing said provisions. Now, either follow those procedures as outlined, or just shut up, go away, and let the actual human beings run America.

          • Dave

            Yes, that is true… But we have a group that is bought and sold by the NRA making sure nothing changes so the body count keeps rising so they can sell people more fear and therefore more guns. Marketing at the expense of life, That is the motto of the NRA. They could work more closely with law enforcement and be leaders in making sure people are properly trained on the use and storage of weapons along with helping law enforcement do its job better but that is not what Wayne LaPierre are doing.

          • mattogilvie55

            Actually, the NRA constantly works with law enforcement. They have done so for years. NRA also conducts firearms safety courses all across the country all the time. the gun safety classes are listed monthly in every issue of American Rifleman magazine. They also work against any pending legislation that would violate the 2nd amendment, which this clearly was, at least to people with common sense. We already have background checks; they have been in place ever since President Clinton signed the Brady bill into law during his first term. And there is no “gunshow loophole;” that is just a bald-faced lie. Also, one of the questions on the 4473 deals with having a history of mental illness. It is a federal offense to knowingly put false information on a 4473 when you purchase a firearm. Bottom line is, there was no useful purpose to this legislation. So, what was the ulterior motive behind it?

            And just for the record, the NRA is not a lobby group for the gun manufacturers; it is a lobby group for gun owners. That has always been the case, since the organizations initial inception. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

          • Dave

            Oh the NRA keep up a good front. But they have consistantly weakened law enforcements ability to to their jobs with their moves against the ATF. I have yet to hear any gun safety legislation that the NRA support. Wayne LaPierre has even reversed himself on universal background checks because Obama is for it.
            And if you don’t think the NRA and gun manufacturers do not work closely together on message and strategy, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
            Did you bother to read Obama’s proposals? What is so bad about them that the GOP and their pro-NRA agenda has to filibuster even debating them?

          • JeffH

            mattogilvie55 says “And just for the record, the NRA is not a lobby group for the gun manufacturers; it is a lobby group for gun owners. That has always been the case, since the organizations initial inception. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.”
            You hit the nail squarely on the head! Of course liars won’t and don’t want the truth to be known and that is why they have to spread the lies they do. You noticed that Dave the Repeating Parrot repeats the lies over and over but provides nothing of substance to back-up his rants against the NRA. That’s exactly why progressive’s like Dave have no credibility…they constantly repeat the progressive media ‘s propaganda lines.

            FYI, The NRA is also the oldest “civil rights” organization in America.

          • Dave

            Unlike poor Jeffrey,

            I do have sources…

            http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/13/nra-weakened-gun-control-laws

            1. Concealed carry reciprocity

            The NRA is backing two bills currently being considered by the US Senate that would extend the right to carry concealed weapons right across the US. The Begich-Manchin and Thune-Vitter bills would override the laws of almost every state by forcing them to allow people with out-of-state concealed carry permits to carry a hidden loaded gun, even in cases where the individual would not have qualified for a permit in that particular state. The Thune bill goes further – it would allow people from states that don’t even require permits to carry hidden guns throughout the country.

            2. Private gun sales loophole

            Under existing federal law, unlicensed gun sellers are allowed to sell weapons without a background check of the buyer at gun shows and other private sales. Paradoxically, only licensed dealers are required to conduct such background checks, which gun control advocates see as crucial in cutting off the supply of weapons to criminals and mentally unstable individuals. The NRA strongly opposes legislation that would close this glaring loophole by requiring background checks for all gun sales.

            3. Terror watch list

            The NRA has strongly opposed legislation to prohibit the sale of guns to people on the federal government’s terrorist watch list. Under current law, a suspected terrorist can be put on the no-fly list and be kept off a plane, but can’t be prevented from buying a gun.

            4. Stand-your-ground laws

            The NRA successfully lobbied for Florida’s stand-your-ground law in 2005, the same shoot-first provision that was invoked by Trayvon Martin’s killer, George Zimmerman. Working with Alec, the NRA has encouraged the passage of similar legislation in 24 other states, and now it is actively pursuing bills that would codify similar legislation in at least seven states: Colorado, Massachusetts, Minnesota (where the bill was vetoed by governor), Nebraska, New Jersey, New York and Washington.

            5. Guns on campuses

            This year, at least 14 states have introduced 35 bills, with NRA encouragement, that would allow students and faculty to carry concealed weapons on the campuses of state colleges and universities, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Alec, too, has put forward a model bill for guns on campuses. Remarkably, the argument is often made that having hidden guns on campus would help prevent another Virginia Tech, America’s deadliest shooting by a single gunman, in which 33 people were killed in April 2007.

            6. Guns in schools

            NRA-backed gun proponents have tried in several states to pass legislation eliminating “gun-free zones” and allowing weapons in elementary schools and even day-care centres. In February, the Georgia state assembly considered – though did not pass – HR 981, which would have made it legal to carry guns on college campuses, elementary and secondary schools, state mental hospitals and bars.

            7. Guns in the workplace

            For several years the NRA has pushed legislation prohibiting businesses and employers from banning guns in locked cars in parking lots. It has been successful in several states, including Florida and Utah, and is currently pushing for passage in Tennessee. Indiana and North Dakota have enacted laws allowing employees to sue if they are asked about gun possession at work.

            8. Guns in bars and restaurants

            The NRA has also been lobbying for several years to expand the right to carry hidden loaded guns into bars and restaurants.

            9. Tracing guns used in shootings

            In 2004, a Republican congressman from Kansas, Todd Tiahrt, a long-time ally of the NRA, added an amendment to bill regarding the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives (ATF). Until that point, data had been kept on the history of guns used in murders and shootings, which allowed police and policymakers to trace them back to corrupt dealerships and other holes in the system. The rule change, known as the Tiahrt amendment, made this data much harder to acquire. It also forced the justice department to destroy within 24 hours the records of any gun buyer whose background check was approved. The overall impact of the amendments was to make it much harder for police to clamp down on illegally distributed guns.

            10. Revoking licences from corrupt dealers

            The NRA has made several attempts to usher through Congress an “ATF reform bill” that would make it much harder – some say virtually impossible – to revoke the gun-selling licenses of crooked dealers. If the bill passed – and the NRA is expected to try again soon – the ATF would have to prove the dealer’s state of mind, in terms of his or her premeditated intention to break the law.

            http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/04/nra-still-undermining-weakened-gun-legislation.html

            http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/20/opinion/sunday/the-nras-diversionary-tactics.html?_r=0

            http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04/01/never-mind-new-guns-laws-the-nra-keeps-weakening-the-existing-ones.html

            So while right wing shills like Jeffrey have bumperstickers… I have their record and since i grew up in their backyard, I see their tactics very clearly. The NRA only cares about gun sales with their pun manufacturer partners. They want no legislation passed that examines the violence in our culture, the ability to have better mental health capabilities, universal background checks and the ability for law enforcement to be able to better share info. It undermines their fear campaign.
            You have anything of substance Jeffrey or are you just going to repeat Vicki’s talking points?

          • JeffH

            The National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Bill – would allow any person with a valid state-issued concealed firearm permit to carry a concealed firearm in any state that issues concealed firearm permits, or that does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms for lawful purposes. A state’s laws governing where concealed firearms may be carried would apply within its borders. The bill applies to D.C., Puerto Rico and U.S. territories. It would not create a federal licensing system; rather, it would require the states to recognize each others’ carry permits, just as they recognize drivers’ licenses and carry permits held by armored car guards. Rep. Stearns has introduced such legislation since 1995.

            FACT: H.R. 822 would have absolutely no effect on how the permitless carry states’ laws work within those states. For residents of Arizona, Alaska and Wyoming, where permits are not required but remain available under state law, H.R. 822 would make those permits valid in all states that issue permits to their own residents. Residents of Vermont, where no permits are issued or required, could obtain nonresident permits from other states to enjoy the benefits of H.R. 822.

            The gun show loophole myth.
            FACT: The “gun-show loophole” is an exaggeration designed to foster the false impression that this is how the bad guys acquire firearms. A 2001 Justice Department survey found 0.7 percent of state and federal prison inmates bought their weapons at a gun show.

            The vast majority of vendors at the shows are fully licensed dealers who must run the FBI check at the time of sale. What the gun grabbers are really after are private non-vendor transactions between private individuals trading or selling their personal property. More good would be done by strengthening the current background-check system by ensuring states submit felony convictions and mental health records. That’s the most effective way to keep guns out of the wrong hands.

            Why NRA Opposes Gun Control Supporters` “Terrorist Watchlist” Bills – S. 34 and H.R. 1506 are aimed primarily at law-abiding American gun owners. Ninety-five percent of watchlisted persons are already prohibited from acquiring firearms in the U.S., because they are not U.S. citizens or legal resident aliens.

            NICS already checks the relevant portion of the watchlist, and denies firearms to watchlisted persons who are prohibited from possessing firearms. Tellingly, S. 34’s and H.R. 1506’s sponsors could not name a single gun crime committed by a watchlisted person who purchased a firearm after passing a NICS check.

            As D.C.’s and Chicago’s handgun bans have proven, prohibiting the possession of firearms doesn’t stop criminals from illegally acquiring them.

            There would be an enormous potential for abuse, if the FBI were given arbitrary power over a constitutionally-protected right. This would be true even if the FBI had an unblemished record where civil rights are concerned.

            * The troubling DHS-FBI “rightwing extremism” report4
            There’s a concern that the FBI might watchlist a person as a “suspected terrorist” on dubious grounds. In 2009, the Department of Homeland Security, in coordination with the FBI, said that “rightwing extremists” prone to “confrontations” with “government authorities” could include:
            – Americans who have fought in the Global War on Terrorism;

            Americans who are concerned about issues such as abortion, immigration, the economy, our loss of jobs overseas, including the loss of America’s manufacturing base to China and India, the decline of our construction industry, and home foreclosures;

            Americans who disagree with the policies of the Obama Administration and who encourage others to disagree with such policies, or who believe in federalism;

            Americans who post their political opinions on the Internet;

            Americans who oppose gun control and who, in anticipation of a new push for federal gun control, buy firearms and ammunition;

            Americans who disagreed with the Brady Act and semi-automatic firearm ban, and the FBI’s and BATFE’s actions at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and Waco, Texas, in the 1990s; and

            Americans whose religious beliefs hold that there will occur a time of hardship accompanied by the rise of unscrupulous or evil political leaders.

          • JeffH

            Starting in 2003, the U.S. Congress passed increasingly strong language to keep this information confidential. The legislation—a series of “riders” to the appropriations bill that funds BATFE—is widely known as the “Tiahrt Amendment,”

            In 2009, the provision was amended to further strengthen the protections for undercover law enforcement operations and confidential informants.

            Despite complaints from anti-gun activists, there are many good reasons for continuing to keep this information confidential:

            Releasing the information serves no useful purpose. The Congressional Research Service has repeatedly said “firearm trace data may be biased” and “cannot be used to test for statistical significance between firearm traces in general and the wider population of firearms available to criminals or the wider American public.” These limitations exist because the “tracing system is an operational system designed to help law enforcement agencies identify the ownership path of individual firearms. It was not designed to collect statistics.”

            Traced guns aren’t always “crime guns”; firearms may be traced for reasons unrelated to any armed crime. The BATFE trace request form lists “crime codes” for traffic offenses and election law violations, among many others.

            Trace information remains available for law enforcement use. The permanent version of the Tiahrt amendment ensures that trace data is available to federal, state, and local agencies “in connection with and for use in a bona fide criminal investigation or prosecution” or for use in administrative actions by BATFE—the principal agency responsible for overseeing the conduct of federally licensed firearms dealers. The language and history of the Gun Control Act are clear: Congress always intended to keep this information confidential, and to allow its use only for legitimate law enforcement purposes. The firearms trace database includes information such as the agency requesting a gun trace, the location from which the gun was recovered, and the identity of the dealer and original retail buyer.

            Both BATFE and the Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) oppose release of trace data. In fact, BATFE has fought for years in the federal courts to keep trace records confidential, because they contain information (such as names of gun buyers) that could jeopardize ongoing investigations—not to mention law enforcement officers’ lives. For example, a suspected gun trafficker could search publicly released information for names of “straw purchasers” he had used to buy handguns, or for traces requested on guns he had sold. That information could lead him to names of officers, informants and witnesses against his crimes.

            NRA supports laws to prevent BATFE from revoking firearms dealers’ licenses for “insignificant technical” violations.(dotting i’s and crossing t’s)

            Remember this, the pressure cooker did it!

            ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT ASSAULT ANYONE USING ANY FIREARM.

            ~300 MILLION Americans DIDN’T SHOOT anyone AT ALL. Not even by accident.

            Join the NRA, GOA, SAF and the rest of us in telling them to STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

            STOP IT

            STOP IT KNOW!

    • JeffH

      Speaking of irrational fear, here is the confused anti-gun parrot Dave. Dave is the board’s own little Repeat Talking Parrot. He is the most obedient bird a progressive can buy! Just tell him any
      phrase, and he repeats it back to you. Practice your progressive doublespeak! Ignorantly interrogate suspects
      with double ineffectiveness! Dave comes with his own hanging perch, batteries not
      included.
      POLLY WANT A CRACKER? baaarrraaaccckkkkkkkk!

      • Dave

        That is your MO Jeffrey…If it is not on mises.org… your brain just does not have the capacity to process common sense. which is what Obama’s proposal was.

        • JeffH

          Sure REPEATER, whatever you’ve been led to believe…including your brand of “common sense”.

          …and pigs can fly too! Speaking of being a born and bred REPEATER, I’m LMAO @ your mises.org comment seeing as I rarely, and I do mean rarely, go there. But, that’s what you have been spoon fed…so you gotta’ run with it! ROFLMAO!

          The pressure cooker did it!

          ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT ASSAULT ANYONE USING ANY FIREARM.

          ~300 MILLION Americans DIDN’T SHOOT anyone AT ALL. Not even by accident.

          Join the NRA, GOA, SAF and the rest of us in telling them to STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

          STOP IT

          STOP IT NOW

          • Dave

            Pot, meet kettle

          • JeffH

            The pressure cooker did it!

            ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT ASSAULT ANYONE USING ANY FIREARM.

            ~300 MILLION Americans DIDN’T SHOOT anyone AT ALL. Not even by accident.

            Join the NRA, GOA, SAF and the rest of us in telling them to STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

            STOP IT

            STOP IT KNOW!