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Unemployment Rate Falls Again, But Job Growth Still Sluggish

February 8, 2011 by  

Unemployment rate falls again, but job growth still sluggishThe Labor Department has reported that national unemployment has dropped to its lowest level in nearly two years. The data, which was released on Feb. 4, revealed that the jobless rate fell to 9 percent in January.

The jobless rate has fallen by eight-tenths of a percentage point in the last two months, which is the sharpest decline in more than 50 years. However, the agency conducted a separate survey of businesses that showed lackluster job growth. This reveals that many people who were previously looking for jobs stopped their search last month, thus the government did not include them in their unemployment data.

Approximately 950,000 net new jobs were added in 2010, the report says. This number is down from the previous estimate of 1.1 million. In 2008 and 2009, the recession led to the loss of about 8 million jobs in America. An average of about 83,000 net jobs per month have been generated in the last three months, which is not enough to keep up with the nation's population growth.

Republican lawmakers have stated that job creation will be addressed after Congress tackles Obamacare and other social issues such as abortion. According to The Associated Press, Democrats have criticized the GOP for avoiding job-related issues following their midterm campaigns in which they emphasized the need to reduce the unemployment rate.

Representative Tom Cole (R-Okla.) defended his party, telling the news provider that his colleagues are following through on "commitments we made" by addressing healthcare and abortion.

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  • Kinetic1

    Yes, the Republicans are “following through on promises they made,” but knew full well would be a waste of time. I get the idea of symbolic speeches and votes that serve to let the voters know that you haven’t forgotten what the loudest among them voted for, but given that we all know these votes are going nowhere, why not save them until AFTER we deal with what’s really on everyone’s mind. Then again, any real progress that is made in the economy and jobs will make President Obama look better and better in the eyes of the voters, so maybe they need to stall until late 2012.

    • Cawmun Cents

      You mean progressive progress?The kind where they create gubment jobs that the taxpayer funds so they can pad the nunbers and convince everyone who can watch cable news,that something big is happening?Give me a break….please.Instead of mealy-mouthed,political hacks chiming in about how we are coming out of this recession on the back of thestimulus program,we need people to come out and talk about re-generating small business.Just thank GE,for showing us the way through political graft,to an efficient and green-job market.What a farce.

      • Kinetic1

        CC,
        The Republicans sweep into power came with promises and platitudes regarding their plan to fix the economy and stimulate job growth. These are the two most pressing issues to most Americans today. So if they have these big plans, why do we have to wait to put them in motion? Why are we wasting time on bills that have zero chance of going through? The Republican leaders are either waiting for past policy decisions to kick in and improve the economy further, in which case they will make some claim about the market responding to their new leadership positions stabilizing everything, or holding off until closer to the election so as not to give President Obama a boost. That, or else they really don’t have any ideas, and after all those times they held up an empty file while yelling “we have an alternative plan!” it wouldn’t surprise me.

        • ValDM

          The lefties have had 2 years to do something, yet haven’t. Why are you spewing about the Repubs. after only 6 weeks? Get a grip.

          • Kinetic1

            ValDM,
            As long as you mentioned it, the Republicans had 6 years to do something about abortion and did nothing, so why is it so important now?

            Look. I’m not saying that the Republican lead house should have fixed everything in just 6 weeks, but why are they wasting so much time on bills that they know will never make it?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            kinetic,
            Actually, the repubs in Ohio have started something about Abortion. It was reported this morning that a group from my state is trying to pass legislation that prevents an abortion if a heartbeat is heard, sometimes as early as 18 days after conception!!! I say this is a good step in the right direction!!!

          • eddie47d

            ValDM; They expected Obama to have unemployment solved after 6 weeks so the Republicans should have their playbook up and ready.Unemployment was throw at Obama and now the Republicans have had over 2 years to have all the answers. It should be a slam dunk for them!

          • Kinetic1

            JoeH,
            They may be able to pass something in Ohio, but it wont pass at the Federal level. Given that the majority of Americans do not want a ban on abortion, I don’t know that you will ever pass anything like this at the Federal level. The point is, we have pressing issues with unemployment and a slow economy and the Republicans said they had all the answers. So where are they? Why not get things going now and deal with abortion and healthcare later. Let’s see some action on bills that have a chance.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            kinetic,
            There is nothing you can name that is more important than the life of a child!! You show how messed up your priorities are when you say that!! I have 3 children, one of them mentally handicapped and I would willingly lay down my life for the protection of any of them!! My priorities are straight!!

          • SiliconDoc

            The truth is, the republicans still have NOTHING. They had NOTHING when Bush was president, or don’t you recall Daschle making the unconstitutional “deal” with Bush for out of session judicial appointments.. ?
            The American populace is so freaking SNOWBALLED, they haven’t a clue that power has been SPLIT for the last several decades…
            Every polling and voting “season” now 24/7/365 + leap years is now one side or the other claiming total victory, the news and nation blaming everything “admittedly unfairly” on the current potus, and all the other admitted “lies we live by” as “politically active commenters”.

            The nation may straighten up when “We The People” can comment HONESTLY. I don’t know when that is going to happen, if ever… and by that I mean particularly, on WHO IS IN POWER – concerning the LEGAL MATTER of House, Senate, and Potus, law passing procedure, veto override, house and senate majority, cloture majority, super majority, and 75% TREATY requirements…

            It seems to me the nation is severly confused, distorted, and filled with rage and blame because THE BASIC 9TH GRADE HOUSE AND SENATE AND POTUS VETO AND VOERRIDE RULES ARE VIRTUALLY UNKNOWN AND ALMOST EVERYONE PRETENDS THEY DO NOT EXIST.

            Good luck having ANYONE site the simple rules.

          • Karolyn

            Joe – Yeah, illegalize abortion and send all the women to quacks again! That’s really humane!

          • http://naver sook young

            Joe H., it sounds like the people you voted for in Ohio are moving in the right direction. If you want to see what planned parenthood is doing, then watch this video:

            http://www.ExposePlannedParenthood.com

            These are videos of what has happened in their “clinics” in Virginia, New York, and New Jersey. Why would they be doing things like this to young children? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

        • Kinetic1

          JoeH,
          I respect your views and, as I have said to others if you feel that abortion is a crime, then you must speak out loudly. I have three children of my own, for whom my wife and I have made many sacrifices. I understand how you feel about protecting them. I am not asking you to accept abortion and I am not asking the House Republicans to forget about abortion. What I am asking you all to do is face the reality that they will not be able to pass any meaningful bills to prevent it until after the 2012 elections, and even then it is doubtful. With that in mind, the debates, the meetings, the investigations all of this is just a smokescreen. They know that no new policy will come from this, but they want to pander to their constituency and divert attention away from the fact that they have no new ideas on how to fix the economy. Again, if the Republicans really wanted to outlaw abortion, why didn’t they take any meaningful action during the 6 years when they held all three houses and a majority on the Supreme Court? I might even go so far as to suggest that they want to keep this debate alive so that they can continue to use it to their advantage.

      • http://ajb221@cox.net ajb

        that is what happens when you have the pres running the polls the biggest lier that has ever sit in the WH

        • Steve

          Also if I might add it seems we have a federal judge who recently said Obamacare is unconstitutional…

          • Vicki
          • Kinetic1

            Yes, Steve. One Judge called it outright, one felt there were parts and two have said that the bill is fine. Just because one Southern Judge who sites the Family Research Council shoots down the bill, this does not mean that it’s all over and done. Clearly this issue is one of contention among experts in Constitutional law, and nothing less than a decision by the Supreme Court will truly decide where this will end.

          • Dan Burke

            Many of us knew it was going to the Supreme Court.

            What have I learned over the past couple years since actually learning this political junk I used to avoid.

            1. Judges do NOT always judge according to the US Constitution. Judicial activism does exist.

            2. The commerce clause is used and abused. If the health care law does allow the government to “force” you to buy a specific product just because you live and breath, then government can evidently dictate ALL your purchases for then ALL your activity is somehow involved in interstate commerce.

            3. We are addicts to government. Rather than admit our addiction, we deny it exists or excuse it on other stuff. Excuse #1: All the rest of the developed world does it. If that excuse was a good one, then we would have a tyrant instead of a republic because a LOT of world has tyrants….

            4. Public education is a misnomer. It should be called, “Standardizing Public Thought.” What countries usually seek to standardize the way their public thinks? Ones that want to be efficient? Sure, a bunch of people that think alike might move fast in one direction for one cause, but do they stop and think about the direction of their cause? Tyranny loves a people that think all one way. A lot easier to control…. Let me see, isn’t there something called a democratic tyrant? How could that be? And are we becoming ripe for such as we move away from a republic and become a democracy?

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy 131

      If Bill Clinton hadn’t changed the rules used to count the unemployed to make his own unemployment figures during his first two years not look so bad, and we still counted unemployment as they did during the Great Depression, people would see that Obama and the Democrats has let the economy slip into another depression, and these recent unemployment figures what look worse, not better. As Democrats always do, and Bill Clinton showed us this, if you can’t win under the rules, change the rules, for the public is gullible and stupid. Look at recent history and you’ll also find that George Bush’s economy boomed for 6 1/2 years, until the Democrats won majority control of both houses of Congress, and in doing so took contol of the budget and thence the economy, then 11 months later the economy went into this Great Recession, as the Democrats like to call it now.

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy 131

        In the 4 years that the Democrats took majority control of both houses of Congress, the last 2 with a super majority and Obama as President, the National Debt they inherited started at 8 trillion dollars, but with the next two years with the Democrats having a majority only in the Senate and Obama still the President, the National Debt is projected to reach at least 17 trillion dollars. That means in just 6 years, with the Democrats contoling the US Government and its law making capability, the National Debt has more than doubled. The Democrats have created more debt in just 6 years than was created in the entire prior 230 years of our nations history. Today the National Debt stands at 14.3 trillion dollars and this year of 2011 is projected,which always proves lower than actuality, to add 1.5 trillion dollars and in 2012, 1 plus trillion dollars. Thanks for that change you promised everyone Mr. Obama and the Democrats, you surely did accomplish it.

    • Bruce D.

      Kinetic1, repealing Obamacare is an important part of job creation. It is just more government control over business and over individuals. Because it has been written into law it will not be easy to reverse so it has to be fought every step of the way. I for one do not believe it was a waste of time.

    • EddieW

      The only thing that can help us now is Prayer!! We are too far gone, we are totally betrayed by our elected ones…Our foundation itself is crumbling…only prayer can strengthen it, as Tyranny will follow if it collapses!! Pray that we can keep our Constitution, Pray for the strengthening of Family’s…these are the foundations of our Country!!

    • JeffH

      9%-Believe that and you’ll believe anything. I have a line on some wonderful land in Florida, with all water rights included if anyone is interested.

      A .4% drop in the headline unemployment rate to 9%, yet only 36,000 non-farm payroll jobs were created? It really makes no sense when the general consensus is that 150,000 non-farm payroll jobs needs to be added each month just to maintain the unemployment rate at the same level as the month before.

      Unemployment rate down to 9% with only 36,000 new jobs created? 10 reason why it can’t!

      #1 According to CNBC, economists were expecting the U.S. economy to add 145,000 jobs during January. Obviously the 36,000 figure was a huge disappointment.

      #2 Approximately 150,000 jobs need to be added to the economy each month just to keep up with population growth.

      #3 The government jobs report also indicated that 504,000 Americans “dropped out of the labor force” in January. That may make the unemployment numbers look better, but the truth is that the vast majority of those 500,000 Americans still need incomes and still need jobs.

      #4 According to the latest numbers from Gallup, the unemployment rate actually increased to 9.8% at the end of January.

      #5 Gallup’s measure of “underemployment” (those that are unemployed plus those that are working part-time but want full-time employment) was sitting at 18.9% at the end of January.

      #6 As I reported yesterday, there are approximately 28 million Americans that would like full-time jobs but that don’t have full-time jobs.

      #7 According to Zero Hedge, the number of Americans that are “not in the labor force” but that would like a job right now has hit an all-time record high. If you add all of those people into the official unemployment figure it would jump to 12.8%.

      #8 According to Calculated Risk, this is the deepest and most brutal employment downturn that the United States has experienced since World War II. The current employment downturn started 37 months ago and there doesn’t seem to be any indication that we will return to pre-recession levels any time soon.

      #9 The U.S. Labor Department has also announced that job growth during 2010 was much weaker than they had previously reported. The numbers for 8 months were revised down, and the numbers for 4 months were revised up. After all of the revisions are accounted for, it turns out that a total of 215,000 fewer jobs were created during 2010 than originally calculated.

      #10 According to one brand new survey, 4 out of every 10 Americans are struggling “a lot” to pay the bills right now.

      10 reasons list from The ECB
      http://www.americanconservativedaily.com/2011/02/unemployment-rate-down-to-9-with-only-36000-new-jobs-created-10-reason-why-it-cant/

    • http://www.kilburnstavern.com John

      I own and run 3 companies, the problem is that hiring is frozen unless absolutely necessary as is all non-essential spending due to legislation and uncertainties like Obamacare, the higher administrative costs and taxes required to comply with that and other newly enacted programs/legislation which could go and some have gone, into effect and that is causing extreme uncertainty, making it difficult if not impossible to budget and plan let alone grow the business and hire more staff. Want to really solve the job problem and grow the economy? Then cut all discretionary spending on federal and state levels to reduce the burn rate, cut taxes across the board, kill Obamacare and other idiodic programs and make the business climate such that businesses will want to do business and hire people from America and not China, India etc. Until that happens the economy and growth will stagnate and decrease, jobs and expecially manufacturing and high-tech will continue to go overseas, and the effect will be felt everywhere from service industry, to restaurants, to housing etc. People can’t spend money they don’t have and they won’t have it if they aren’t working. I will continue to cut cost and reduce expenses until the climate improves…what choice do we have?

      • http://www.kilburnstavern.com John

        I had a typo…should have been spelled especially. typing too fast as usual.

  • TIME

    The reason is really rather simple, now hold on here it is> {after beating ones head on a rock for years even the thickest skull gets the picture.}
    There are “NO JOBS,” thus if you look at the figures on the other side of this coin this picture then becomes very clear.

    Un Employment numbers down = Welfare numbers UP!!!!!!
    WOW ~~~~ rocket science wasn’t needed for that answer.

    Part Time jobs at high paying MickyDees flipping a bagO fries and a QtPDer, wow I can’t fathom how many Aston Martins they will be able to buy real soon with that kind of money flying in weekly.

    Yet it seems that the bright brilliant star’s on the news media can’t quite figure that one out.

    And just how strange that the WH Spin Cycle has had nothing to say about it, or is it just that they know to make any bold statments about how well they are doing could come back and bite them on the BUTT.

    • home boy

      46 million now on food stamps and rising. brilliant

      • marvin

        home boy
        46 million on welfare with half being illegals ,la county california spent 600 million in 2010 in 11 month, on welfare to illegal according to the la county board of suppervisors wonder what the total is in the other 49 just got to love the liberal mind,spread the wealth around,

    • eddie47d

      ..and you think the Republicans are going to save us. I hope all the Libertarians have a strong stomach and can handle the disappointment.

      • Bruce D.

        Being saved should not be governments job. Republicans need to make a safe environment for businesses to invest. Marxists believe in order to be saved government must regulate. Because most regulations are complicated it takes time to understand the ramifications or negative effects on business. Even unions who lobbied heavily for Obamacare are now asking for exemptions. This is just bad legislation that effects both business and individuals negatively. Obama is doing nothing to reverse the trend of businesses leaving the country. He just keeps giving business more reasons to leave. Obama believes business is an arm of government that can be used for social engineering and government power.

  • Warrior

    Thank goodness the dept of labor keeps track of this important statistic. Now, if the other 8 mil will just quit looking, we can get to full employment.

    Oh, and that little TSA union move, SWEET!

    • Bruce D.

      Funny! Kind of anyway???

  • CJ

    Only those smart enough to know you never take these reports at face value will see beyond the deception and know to check how many first went on unemployment 99 weeks ago, and conclude that much of the large jump only “appeared” to be good when the reality is many are still looking but no longer counted as unemployed. Other creditable sources calculate the unemployemnt is closer to 20%.

    • FlaJim

      You’re absolutely right. Gov’t figures don’t cover those whose unemployment benefits have expired but are still looking for work. They don’t account for those who reluctantly took early retirement, either. A more rational reckoning would be comparing the size of the work force from one period to another.

      They also can’t possibly take into account those who are underemployed. That’s a huge number.

      • Vicki

        When tax revenues take ANOTHER big drop we will have a serious clue as to the actual unemployment rate.

  • Karolyn

    If we focus on every little bit of good news instead of harping on the opposite, things can change. Negativity begets negativity. Has anyone ever heard of the collective consciousness? I’m sure if you have you think it’s just BS. That’s too bad. This would be a much better world if more people would just wake up to the power they have.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Karolyn… I agree that negativity begets negativity, but white-washing the truth is even worse!

      I agree with the post that you have to take anything the government tells you with a grain of salt. Chances are it is worse than they are telling us because they hesitate to be too negative!

      Our government is corrupt, which saddens and sickens most of us. Those who are holding out their hands and receiving handouts are probably not in agreement. It all can’t be blamed on Barry and his merry men, but taking steps to correct the situation should be a priority!

      • home boy

        don’t you wish you could do more than just vote? maybe if people in this country protested like they are doing in egypt the government might take them more serious. other wise its status quo.

        • marvin

          home boy
          i watched some of bill o,rileys interview with obama they where talking about the protesters in egypt obama said we have protesters here but they just have not turned violent,i guess the tea party is being watch by big brother,guess it,s ok for illegals to have signs saying kill the gringo,if goverment would do their job and deport 20 million illegals the unempoyment would go down by fact not fiction

      • Bruce D.

        Karolyn I would be curious to know where abortion stands in what you call “cosmic consciousness”. I noticed your comment earlier. Does it carry as much negativity as pointing out government corruption or do you feel abortion empowers woman and advances “cosmic consciousness”. What effect does it have on the group mind.

    • TIME

      Karolyn,
      You know I like you, as you’re always trying to see a bright spot and thats a good thing.

      But, when it comes to Government there just is no bright spot.
      When you understand that everything they say is 100% Rhetoric, by way of hidding facts, as well TRUTHS, as in “cooking the books” as it were.
      Then you better understand that to trust any Government unit is like hitting you’re self in the head with a large hammer.

      Always look at Cause & Effect. Cause, people come off Unemployment check’s, Effect unemployed numbers come down.

      Cause, the Welfare rolls expand, Effect, welfare numbers go up.

      • home boy

        you want truth read the bible.

    • Ellen

      I’m sure most people would be happy to focus on this good news if it were true. Herein lies the problem and the reason for the responses that have posted. This ‘good news’ is completely false. The ignorant will be thrilled by this news and that is exactly what Obama is counting on. Others will be frustrated that the government would even try to pass off this garbage as truth. I firmly believe things will get better now that we have more thinkers in Congress. For all the Congressmen who want to give away peoples’ money, they should resign and go work for a non-profit organization that provides help to the needy. There is an abundance of these organizations to work for and they do wonderful things without taking peoples’ money to do so.

      • 45caliber

        But if those in Congress did that they might have to actually WORK!

    • marvin

      Karolyn
      the power that be, it is called elected officals,the reason we have them is to work for are best interest not self enrichment for them self or to take whats mine and give to you,you do know this is america not china this is a republic where ever one including you can get ahead,with out to much interference from the powers that be a helping hand is not the same as handout

      • Vicki

        The helping hand teaches you to fish. The handout is just a fish.

    • 45caliber

      Karolyn says:
      February 8, 2011 at 7:46 am
      If we focus on every little bit of good news instead of harping on the opposite, things can change. Negativity begets negativity. Has anyone ever heard of the collective consciousness? I’m sure if you have you think it’s just BS. That’s too bad. This would be a much better world if more people would just wake up to the power they have.

      ———————————–

      But trying to deny the bad news doesn’t work. You have to know what the real story is to be able to make appropriate decisions. For instance, if a small business is making a $100 a week but costs are $500 a week, it is going to go bankrupt, even if it did just take in a $50 order. The sooner you realize that the better off you are.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      karolyn,
      while looking at the world through rose colored glasses may make you feel better temporarily, it doesn’t fill the stomach nor pay the bills!!!

      • karolyn

        Joe – Looking at the world through “rose colored glasses” as you call it, got me through the toughest years of my life recently. If I had given in to depression and “poor me”, I would be living in the street. I believe that “as ye think, so shall ye be.” I KNEW my bills would be paid, and so they were (at least the important ones). Attitude and outlook is 99% of the battle.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Karolyn,
          Personal responsibility and facing facts are what got me through my life! If I screw up, I blame ME not anybody else! If I fall, I pick myself up and continue on. I think a lot of others would serve themselves better if they did the very same thing! When I was seventeen, I knew my father couldn’t afford to send me to college so I joined the army during Viet Nam and served over seven years. I went to college on the GI bill and it was something I EARNED! I actually like working and probably till the day I die. and when I die I will not owing anyone!!

          • Karolyn

            Joe – Of course, I’ve always taken responsibility for my choices. However, sometimes those choices are not the best and lead to places we would not necessarily want to be. And, as a woman, life is tougher, though you might not think so. Take, for instance, jobs. Here where I live, if you’re a man, you can find a job if you look hard enough. There are plenty of manly jobs to be found. For a woman there are only two things to be – a nurse or a teacher, and if you’re not one of those, you’re up the creek! I lucked out after being unemployed for several years other than working for friends.

    • Bruce D.

      Karolyn, that is probably the biggest difference between the left and right. The right does not want to be part of some kind of all inclusive left wing group consciousness. That is something the left is trying to force onto people. The right wants to be able to make decisions independently of the group if they choose to. The left tried to force group agreement by passing Obamacare with backroom deals and bribes. With group consciousness individuality is lost, along with incentive and creative thought. Not everyone wants to be part of some Marxist thought meld, religiously or politically.

      • eddie47d

        “backroom deals and bribes”? What do you think the Koch Brothers have been doing at the Rancho Mirage resort.There is plenty of “insider trading” taking place even outside the halls of Congress.

        • Bruce D.

          So it appears you agree with my post on liberal progressives Eddie.

      • karolyn

        “With group consciousness individuality is lost, along with incentive and creative thought. Not everyone wants to be part of some Marxist thought meld, religiously or politically.”

        You’re wrong about that. Group consciousness exists whether you recognize it or not. It just IS, and it does not disclude individuality. Why do you think so many things are the way they are? It is because of the negative collective consciousness that exists within any given culture, society, country, etc. You are thinking in a materialistic sense. We all emit energy, and that is what makes things come about. Hence, negativity begets negativity.

        • Bruce D.

          And Marxism begets Marxism and that is the point. If you do not negate it, it will come about.

          • Karolyn

            What I’m talking about has nothing to do with Marxism.

          • Bruce D.

            Still Karolyn, Marxism begets Marxism so lets not buy into the negatively and/or hopelessness of being a victim who needs government regulations to guide society and social programs to survive as an individual. That is the group mind of the left and it is a very imposing one on those who do not feel the same way.

        • Kinetic1

          karolyn,
          As with all things, some members of the “group” just aren’t as “conscious” as others.

          • Bruce D.

            By your post you should understand why the right does not want to be part of Obamacare and other social programs designed for those who lack the awareness and ability to survive on their own. It is a disservice as it promotes dependency and self pity which is somewhat degrading to the human spirit and drives one into the dwindling spiral of being an effect of Karolyn’s group mind.

  • Grumpy Old Biker

    Yeah, those numbers are encouraging arn’t they? But the media & Government don’t take into consideration the fact of how may people’s un-employment bennie’s have run out. Or that fools like me who wanted the American Dream, started their own businness and don’t qualify for un-employment, or medicaid, or any other “Assistance Program”……I think I’ll change my name to LaQuisha Martinez. The commie’s in power will be throwing money at me then.

    • 45caliber

      Just don’t let them see you.

  • http://www.voterimposedtermlimits.org Don Ruane

    The unemployment rate in the United States is not 9%

    They, the administration, keeps on changing to RULES OF THE GAME to fit the results they want.

    They are lying to us and we are falling for the lies.

    New RULES OF THE GAME, never believe anything the administration says only look at the actions they take. DITTO for the MEDIA.

    • Al Sieber

      Don,I think the real unemployment rate is around 22%.

    • Kinetic1

      Don Ruane,
      When you say “They, the administration, keeps on changing to RULES OF THE GAME to fit the results they want.” are you speaking about the current administration, or all administrations going back several decades?

      • TIME

        Kin,
        Let me ask you can you go back in time and fix the past?
        If you answer yes, then please by all means let me know where to sign up as I have many things to fix in the past, as well I would pay a nice sum to be able to do so.

        If you’re answer is no, Then get over it stay in the present and work to fix whats wrong NOW!

        Stop acting like Cleo’patra, and get out of DaNile

        • Kinetic1

          TIME,
          WOW! I’m sorry that I asked for clarification. I simply wanted to know if Don Ruane was referring to the changes in calculating the unemployed that were made back in the 90s, or if he was referring to some other changes. Did I touch a nerve or something?

          • TIME

            Kin,

            You can’t hit a nerve if you wrote a trillion words a day.
            What I posted is really quite straight forward with no other agenda.

            Hey, hows that Trucking Biz doing?

  • Raggs

    I have a problem with the term used… “NEW JOBS”…
    That term makes it look as if “NEW business” is growing…
    I dont think so… I believe the so called “new jobs” are just jobs that have been re-opened from the previous lay-offs… I also think that a lot of those positions will be temp… In other words here we go again with this administration drawing smilly faces on the bathroom wall…

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Raggs,
      I have a friend that worked for a company that always went through hard times each year. They would lay him off for a couple of months each year and his seniority would freeze there. It took him 27 years to get a twenty year retirement!! That is the problem with these numbers, is that the jobs open up but a month or two later they lay off again and the people don’t look for work as they think that they will lose their seniority!

  • Ted Crawford

    It’s an established fact that the economy must produce 150,000 jobs per month to break even given the stated number of jobs created per month last year. We fell 804,000 jobs behind just last year! I noticed in the interview before the Super Bowl that Obama stated that all he wants from the Media is to tell the truth, I submit that we could use a little of the same from this administration!

    • 45caliber

      I remember back when they set up NAFTA. They said that the US had lost only 150,000 jobs due to NAFTA after two years. They had lost 450,000 but had gained 300,000. Considering the gain was normal, that meant – to me – that they had lost 450,000 jobs but didn’t want to admit it.

    • marvin

      Ted Crawford
      we have 20 million + unempoyed americans the goverment is allowing about 100,000 legal immigrants per month, yes i said per month not counting the 15 or so thousand illegal that come here weekly ,my point is how can unempoyment go down when the goverment is filling all the jobs with immigrants,you can not slow unempoyment by emporting,more worker then their are jobs,that work for half what you can work for

  • 45caliber

    They don’t count the people still out of work; they count the people still drawing unemployment. And if they have run out of unemployment, then the government counts them as working.

    So the reason the figure is going down is that more people have run out of unemployment benefits than were put on unemployment. It isn’t anything to cheer about yet.

  • s c

    Computers and government-created stats have a lot in common. That is, “garbage in, garbage out.” Our government never hesitates to manipulate facts and figures, especially when a politician needs a better image or a higher poll rating.
    At some point, you’d think Americans would get sick and tired of a defective mentality that says we need to outsource factories and jobs and yet SOMEHOW address the disappearing jobs matter at the same time. You CAN’T have it both ways, people.
    Outsource politicians who jump at the chance to ship factories and jobs to other countries. Let those self-serving SOBs take it in the shorts. America does NOT need a surplus of worthless politicians. How often do those vermin serve a practical purpose? Their main goal in life is to survive the next election. Is there ANY difference between a career politician and a CAREER CRIMINAL?

    • Al Sieber

      sc, thats why most politicians need to serve at least 4 terms, one in office, and 3 in prison.

      • http://ajb221@cox.net ajb

        very, very, good al

      • 45caliber

        And in my selection of a prison – not the one they set up for themselves.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          45caliber,
          Surely you don’t want them to go to a REAL prison do you?? I mean, the country club they go to now so much better serves them!! Scuse me I threw up in my mouth a little when I typed that!

    • 45caliber

      I know what you mean about politicians wanting to outsource things.

      There was one Senator and three Congressmen who wanted to outlaw a number of chemicals in the US. 8 of those chemicals were elements like Aluminum, Copper, Zinc, etc. When it was pointed out to one of them that the chemical industry was one that still had exports, the Congressman stated, “I know that. But we need to keep our people SAFE! If they lose their present jobs they can always find a place for them to work as a waitress or a filling station attendent. And if they can’t find a job there, we can take care of them on Welfare.”

      When it was pointed out that most of the pollution in El Paso was due to what was coming across the border from Mexico, he denied it. We had a border there, he argued, and pollution can’t cross it.

      And we elected him!

      • Bruce D.

        Government has been systematically destroying jobs in this country for the last 20 years. You cannot have free trade when one country is highly regulated and higher pay and the other country no regulations and working for just enough money to survive. I do not see any solution than import duties to level the playing field.

        • eddie47d

          You could be correct. Does that mean everyone should take a pay cut? Do CEOs stop giving themselves huge pay rises,pensions,golden parachutes and bonuses.Is it fair that they are unfair and have taken a bigger piece of the pie than is warranted? There are alot of things about American business personel that have given us an uneven playing field. Will they be more honest about what they receive also?

          • Bruce D.

            CEO’s that have successful companies should make what they are worth. Whatever that is. They should not get bonuses for bankrupting companies for sure which I find irritating. Businesses will make money even if they have to go to China to do so or they will close their doors, one or the other. That is reality. Running a successful business is not as easy as Marxists think. Without proper incentives no one will do it. Marxists never see that side of it.

          • eddie47d

            Playing the Marxists card again? That’s the sound of desperation.

          • Kinetic1

            Bruce,
            All of us want clean air and water. No one wants pesticides in our food. We have regulations in our country to insure the health and safety of our workers and other citizens that other nations do not. China will force workers to live in company housing and work 12 hour days. They turn a blind eye to lead and cadmium in the products they send us (at least until they are caught.) We are well aware of the health and environmental issues , but we ignore them for corporate profits and cheep retail. So what would happen if we required that all products imported to America be produce in factories that meet our standards? Or insisted that all products not meting our standards for production be labeled as such? What if we stopped giving tax breaks to corporations and made moving production overseas less appealing? What if we leveled the field a bit? Is that really so bad?

          • Bruce D.

            It would be very difficult to disagree with anything you have said in your post Kenetic1. It sounds nice and reasonable but in reality the left are not as reasonable as you make yourself sound. The left strive for government dominance over society as hard as businesses strive for profit. If you do not find a balance between the two you and Eddie may have to apply for work permits in China as that is where all our businesses will be.

        • JeffH

          Bruce D., Don’t you get it? What’s wrong with you. Don’t you know that if you cut all the high end CEO’s bonuses out you’ll create a $300 million +/- windfall for wealth redistribution by the Big government loving liberals? Do the math, that will fix the economy and drop the unemployment rate down to 4% +/-. LOL!

          • http://deleted Claire

            JeffH–Did you hear that Dallas gave Michael Vick a key to their city?

          • Kinetic1

            JeffH,
            I have seen business school CEOs step in to a company and “improve” their profits by cutting as much as 25% of the work force. The result is labor being forced to work many more hours of overtime to make up for the lost workers and a BIG bonus for the genius who fired them all. Over time, the business begins to falter under the pressure created by the smaller workforce being asked to produce more and more for less and less, and the CEO leaves a weaker company, but with a fortune in his off shore account. Now tell me how that is good business? The money cut from the CEO doesn’t need to go to the government for redistribution, but back into the company for growth. That’s how it worked back when taxes were higher. It was actually an incentive to reinvest in the company.

  • http://com i41

    Keeping a happy out look is important, lke a couple of my kids military friend who got wounded pretty severe. They were telling us when we visited them some in theapery One lost both legs and some fingers on both hands, the other one had pretty much the same injuries, only a lttle different injuries on the hans. Both said that just glad that we are alive, we just have to worry about cutting it was toe nails or foot getting fungus, and on their missing fingers, were just God’s way of curing them to not pick their noses. Now that is a positive attitude. Something the 2 s–t birds in the WH or Congress, would never think of or understand. Instead of worring what some one is eating, or if it is a bad golf day and what country to fly to on someone elses dime.

  • marvin

    come to a corner near you in the near future,[EGYPT],BEN FRANKLIN SAID to give up liberty for some security you will have neather,goverment can cook the books all they want ,but 2+2 is still 4 this is still america a republic,and we the american people are still incharge and obama is not the messiah,or the chosen one he is just a well spoken fence riding liberal that wants to be re elected and will say and do what ever he has to spend your money to stay in power ,i don,t need help to spend what little money i have,GOVERMENT IS NOT THE ANSURE,GOVERMENT IS THE PROBLUM,, RONALD REAGAN,you can lower unempoyment by bring in more worker that is a oxymoron

  • Raggs

    So BTW how many illegal aliens were hired last month?

    • 45caliber

      That would be an interesting fact to know, wouldn’t it? I wonder if someone in the government could give us an answer …?

    • Kinetic1

      Better still, how many employers who knowingly hired illegals were prosecuted? It’s easy to make noise about securing our borders, but what about enforcing the laws that seek to remove the incentives to come here? We will never stem the tide if we don’t put a stop to the employment opportunities for illegals.

      • Raggs

        You have to have someone with a couple of nads to stem that tide.

      • Bruce D.

        Kinetic1 that is one thing I can agree with you and Eddie on. Eddie says if it costs $12,500 to process illegals then that is what it should costs the employer who hires one. It is a very simple solution that I feel positve will work. Only those who want open borders should disagree with it.

  • chuckb

    barry needs the votes.

  • Raggs

    Well lets kick the ball to china. Prehaps mexico didn’t work out so good…

  • Raggs

    A better idea even yet… Lets infest the USA with muslims… Ya know the same basturds that hate us… Oh thanks obama.

  • Raggs

    Mexico is old news… the muslims are the “new” trend…

  • http://deleted Claire

    That sign in the article above–I have seen many guys standing on street corners with the same sign.
    I still say–work on the jobs and economy first.

    • Al Sieber

      Claire, I seen a guy with a sign that said “No lie, I’ll work for beer”.

      • http://deleted Claire

        Al Sieber: Then that guy doesn’t have any kind of life.

  • Raggs

    The people of the USA need to get a picture of what is going on.
    Our border of mexico is a distraction from another issue.

    So keep your head in the sand and your butt in the air.

  • Jamie L.

    This is the same old bullshit different day routine thats been going on for the last several years. No one has been doing much of anything to create jobs.
    Everything that has been done thus far, has done nothing but hurt the American people.

    As for the politicians… they all seem to have thier own agendas to work on.
    Whether we agree with them or not, they just pass things through regardless. We are invisible to them, EXCEPT when they need us to pay for those agendas.

    They have no idea, or no clue whatsoever, what it is like to be a regular hard working man or woman in this country.
    They will never have to worry ever about thier next paycheck, where will it be coming from and when.
    Or worry about paying thier (ungodly high and still going higher) utility bills.
    Medical? Not a problem, lets just raise the taxes and let the little guys and gals pay for it.
    Whats really sad about all of this?
    We are already paying for it…..

    Everyone is blaming everyone else for not getting the job issues taken care of.
    OR! They use that same old SORRY A** OF AN EXCUSE…. that they “inherited” all of these problems.
    Well Wah Wah Wah!
    Grow up, and get over it! And try to do something about it.
    That **** just does not fly with anyone anymore!

    As you can see I am not at all in my “sweetspirited” mode…..
    We need jobs and we need them now….
    I have seen too many hard working people lose thier jobs, thier homes, thier lives.
    All that they have worked so very hard for has been totally snuffed out.
    It breaks my heart when I see Fathers and Mothers buying tiny storage buildings to live in, along with thier children…..
    Or you’ll have the Grandparents (whose homes are too small to take thier family in) who will buy or rent sheds monthly, so that thier sons and daughters and grandchildren can live in thier back yard…..

    All we have left is prayer…..

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