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Unemployment Benefits Expire Following A One-man Filibuster In The Senate

March 4, 2010 by  

Unemployment benefits expire following a one-man filibuster in the SenateUnemployment insurance and COBRA benefits expired for millions of U.S. citizens on Sunday after Senator Jim Bunning (R-Ky.) single-handedly stopped a $10 billion bill that would have funded several extension programs.

In an after-hours session on Thursday, Bunning opposed the legislation because it would add to the federal deficit, which is already at an all-time high. He suggested that the money be taken from unspent Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) funds, but Democrats objected.

"I believe we should pay for it," said Bunning. "I’m trying to make a point to the people of the United States of America."

Meanwhile, Bunning’s opposition to the bill also blocked the extension of several federal programs, a move that has put nearly 2,000 transportation employees out of work.

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood blasted the senator’s decision on Monday, expressing his disappointment that "political games are putting a stop to important construction projects around the country."

However, while praising the Bunning’s decision to temporarily block the legislation, GOP leaders have admitted that the extensions will be passed. The senator’s one-man filibuster was made to point out the hypocrisy in the Senate, said Senator John Kyl (R-Ariz.), according to Fox News.
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  • L, USA

    That’s a move in the right direction.

  • Harold Olsen

    Bunning did the right thing when he opposed extending unemployment benefits without having the means to pay for it. Didn’t Congress pass legislation that required this? I believe it is called some ridicules thing called Paygo–Pay as you go. He insisted on enforcing it and I applaud him for it. But now, he has apparently backed down from his stand because he got little or no support from either party. I’ve said it many times before: This is what is wrong with the Republicans. They have turned into a bunch of wimps and cowards and won’t stand up for their principles–if they even have any these days. One more thing: Bunning voted against Paygo. Hypocrisy? Perhaps. Or maybe he decided that our lawmakers should follow the rules they set forth. Now that’s a radical idea!

  • s c

    Senator Bunning is absolutely right. Apparently, agents of change, useful idiots and assorted subhumans in Congress don’t like the idea of a constant flow of other people’s money being interrupted by a mere mortal (can you say TOUGH?).
    To put a different perspective on the topic, you might ask yourself whether or not it’s this easy to put an immediate STOP on any and all MIDNIGHT PAY RAISES. The redistribution of wealth concept is alien and is utterly destructive to America. As long as we have people in DC who hide behind easily-earned ‘reputations’ (most of Congress), we will always have to be on guard and stand up to subhuman vermin who plan to take care of themselves first, but take care of us only when it’s time to go trolling for votes.
    Washington, your country club days and tyrannical ways are coming to an end. Learn to like it the same we way got used to you bastards ignoring the the Constitution and the American people!

  • Michael J.

    Paygo is only about a week old and already they have circumvented it. Why can’t they pay for unemployment extensions out of the Democratic campaign slush fund… uh… I mean TARP?

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Michael J…
      It should come out of TARP. We do not need any more added to the huge deficit. Go Senator Bunning!

      • Joe H.

        Robin,
        He accomplished what was needed, he showed that to the Dems even the rules THEY set are for anyone other than them!!!!!

  • knuckleballer

    Did you notice that almost nobody in what Rush Limbaugh calls the “Driveby Media” mentioned why Jim Bunning was opposing the legislation? I heard no mention of his opposition to the Democrats’ violation of their own “Paygo”. Many people think that Bunning is being mean to unemployed people and making it hard for the “benevolent” Democrats who are trying to help the unemployed. The Driveby Media are so dishonest by leaving out relevant facts. Jim Bunning is the best Senator since Bob Smith. I think Rand Paul will be even better if he can get elected when Sen. Bunning retires. I was not a Jim Bunning fan when he with the other Washington Senators in the 1950′s, but I am a fan of his now as he tries to keep these Senators from scoring runs.

    • George E

      I imagine this is why the rest of the Republicans didn’t rush in to publicly support this effort. It is a very sensitive political issue that can easily be twisted to portray the supporters as heartless, mindless people. Even those who support fiscal discipline in principle will often rebel when they think someone is holding up their government check…..If we want our politicians to be strong on these kinds of issues, we’ve got to prove to them that we won’t throw them to the wolves when the going gets tough. In other words, we’ve all got to live by our principles and stay strong as we fight these battles.

      • sinnie

        One big disappointment to me with the Republicans in general is that they don’t have the guts to stand up to anything, always stay on the safe side of political correctness and to hell with PRINCIPLES. They rather compromise with principles than to be critized as heartless same as ‘you shouldn’t be so tough on the kid, he might think you don’t love him’. Without standing strong on principles you can’t fight corruptions.

        • George E

          Sinnie,

          In a perfect world, I agree. However, it does go to show how our politicians may value our vote. They would like to make sure the American people will back them up when they take tough stands like this. Remember, in the past, we did not, and they remember how they got punished for “shutting down the government”. My guess is a majority of Republicans agreed with Bunning, but didn’t want to stick their necks out on this issue. They also didn’t want to do anything that allows the MSM to take the heat off the Democrats right now relative to the healthcare reform bill. This is a strategic political move.

      • L, USA

        Nailed it!

    • Louise

      Senator Bunning is a disgrace to his office! Once again a Republican has shown how little regard he has for the working American!It is all right for him to vote himself a pay raise, but he wants to stop Americans from working.Cut off unemploymenmt. I hope he is voted out of office.Once again a Republican has shown he dosen’t care about the American worker. All the Republicans can do is Whine because they lost the election.

      • Joe H.

        Louise,
        How long have you been laid off? While I feel bad for you, what this senator did was right!!! I would say the same if it was a dem doing it for the same reason!! I understand it’s hard to be objective when one has no means of income, but if you look beyond that, you will see he was right!!!

        • Claire

          Joe H–didn’t Bunning cave? What happened, I only heard bits and pieces. Did he give up his stance?

          • Joe H.

            Claire,
            yeah he “caved” when nobody supported him. But like I said above, he accomplished what he set out to do!!!

          • Claire

            Joe H– Yeah, his fellow Repubs sure backed him up. Bunning sure found out who his friends were. Sure hope they drop this can of worms and start working on the economy and jobs. Whoa–that scares me too.

      • JeffH

        Louise, this is no time for a bleeding liberal heart. Bunning just made a strong point that our government cannot continue spending unfunded programs. There isn’t any money left, the bank account is overdrawn. Obama and the Dems are spending us into bankruptcy right now as we exchange these comments and what is needed is jos, and not government jos. Real jobs, manufacturing, industrial and big government stands in the way. All for the sake of a bunch of bleeding heart liberals that would rather bankrupt this country into the third world. Is that what you want?

        • JeffH

          JOBS not jos

        • George E

          Jeff,

          I agree. However, in the court of public opinion, the Louise’s of America have always beat the Jim Bunning’s. People relate and sympathize with average working Americans over well-healed politicians. That’s why this is such a tough political issue for Republicans. At the end of the day, they know people will take Louise’s side and condemn Washington for not sending her an unemployment check before sorting out our financial problems.

      • James

        Louise, when the government has to borrow the money to stimulate or bail people out, it just places Americans further in debt, and postpones the inevitable. We’re head for a depression – big time – might as well get it started now. There will be more foreclosures this year than last, and still more in 2011 & 2012, small businesses are now being foreclosed on as well as individual homeowners.

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        Louise,

        Why blame Senator Bunning? Why not blame Obama and his Health Care Battering Ram team? 70% or so of the American people do not want the health care overhall in it’s current state of disaster. Numerous times Obama has stated [claimed] to believers that he was going to push through a Jobs Bill….so why did he let all of you down….to push through his health care debacle? Maybe more folks would be back at work, if he had really wanted them to be…. back to work and able to purchase insurance; but of course he does not want these people back at work and abke to pay for much of anything….because then he would not have his so-called backing.

        Fed Up Gal

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Dang it….I meant “overhaul”…not overhall….before some freak who can’t make a point any other way, decides to critique my spelling!

          Fed Up Gal

  • Barb

    Senator Bunning was absolutely right and what dismayed me the most was the fact that he stood alone. WHERE WERE the REST OF the Republicans???
    I called, emailed and wrote to mine and several others asking them just that! Haven’t received any answers yet. As far as those poor 2000 Federal Transportation employees go they miraculously got their jobs back the next day and they got that one day off WITH PAY!! Boy they really had it rough didn’t they???????!!!!!!! Give me a freaking break! At least I know there are still a few brave men out there, I just pray more of them will stand up and be counted. November of 2010 should be a lot of fun, Fall house cleaning here we come!!!

    • valerie j. ziebarth

      barb – easy for you to say – you probably have a good job, but for those of us who are still looking for a decent-paying job that we can live on, the only thing we had was the unemployment extensions that kept coming while we are looking and put food on the table. you know, if the federal government could just give up one of it’s goofy studies, such as the mating habits of the fruit fly (or some such doofy, worthless money-waster) maybe there would be a little cash for those out of work because of the republican/democratic caused lousy economy!! but you know they are not going to stop funding the money-wasters in congress, so give the unemployed a break!! while i do understand sen. bunning’s reasoning, the practical aspects of all tlhis are going to be devastating for a heck of a lot of people in this country, who didn’t cause this bad economy!! think about that!!

      • Claire

        valerie and Louise — The economic chaos we are in was/is caused by BOTH parties. I have said many times before, our economy has been going downhill for 30-50 years. And now we are seeing the dreaded results of this era of greed and corruption. If there is any fingerpointing to be done–the fingers should be pointed at the Repubs and the Dems. As far as unemployment, it is tragic. And the “honest” unemployed are suffering. Good people always suffer for what the dishonest people do. I know that. My daughter has been out of work since last fall. But thankfully she was called back to Caterpillar about a week ago. I know that a family cannot survive on part-time work, no benefits, no nothing. My crazy town is full of department stores and the Mall. They only hire part-time people and the mayor and his cronies think the jobs here are plentiful. I know people that have 3 part-time jobs in order to make ends meet. I am still working, I am fortunate. And I agree with you, no one knows what it is like until they walk in those shoes.

        • L, USA

          Learn how muslim “jihad”, meaning holy war, idealogical/embattlement was begun against Jews, Christian and other, about 1400 years ago and is in advanced stages against America and the free world… http://www.americancongressfortruth.org

          • eyeswideopen

            L,USA, darling before you try to slam the Muslims, you should have looked up the Crusades and found that: in 1095-1099 the Christians started the war, 1147-1149, Christians started, 1187-1192, Christians started, 1187-1192, Muslims started, 1228-1229, Christians started, 1202-1204, Christians started, 1217-1221, Christians started, 1248-1254, Christians started, 1270, Christians started, 1271-1272, Christians started. Out of these 9 Crusades the Christians started 8 of them. This site would really help you. Our history is not one of victim. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

          • Meteorlady

            Gads Eyes…. you sure know how to skew an argument. Read about the history of muslims. It is either join or die. They killed millions who did not agree with their philosophy. It’s a cult, not a religion.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Well….Eyes….what about your own personal history and that of most FLL’s? Can anyone spell….self induced VICTIM?

            Fed Up Gal

          • eyeswideopen

            Meteorlady, When the Christians went in Jerusalem, and killed the Christians and Jews along with all the Muslims, what do you call that? Let me guess, it was a mistake. Too funny. Hyprocrisy reigns.

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        Valerie,

        While I have empathy for the situation you described, I’m wondering why blame Bunning? Why not blame the bozo(s) that introduced the bill to fund a study of the mating habits of those fruit flies and the other worthless waste of money projects you referenced?

        Were you complaining to your representatives when you were working…to stop funding the fruit fly studies? Maybe if we all stood up and complained BEFORE things get to such a disastrous point, we would not be in nearly as bad a situation? Just a thought!

        Fed Up Gal

        • eyeswideopen

          Fed Up, I thought you were intelligent until you made that stupid statement about fruit flies. I guess you didn’t know that 75% of known human disease genes have a reconizable match in the genetic code of the fruit flies and 50% of fly protein sequences have mammalian analogues. Why do you want to stop research for diseases? You people are so desperate to berate the Dem’s that you will shoot yourselves in the foot trying to bring down the other party. Good grief, I am sure those poor kids with horrible diseases really appreciate your attitude.

          • Fed Up Gal

            Well….there you go thinkin’ again, EYES……which might make some question your gray matter, such that it is…….and there you go again layin’ on your emotional blackmail pity party bringing in the poor kids. From your perspective, your side is content to remain in that warped tunnel vision land of Obama care[less].

            If you’ve followed my posts from other articles, you would know (but doubt you care)…I do think kids should have some kind of health care coverage, regardless of their parents lack of ability to do so, due to sometimes legitimate reasons….yet, often due to poor financial rainy day planning on their part….simply because the kids have no control over the actions or inactions of their parents. If you had read some of my other posts, you would also know that I am a registered Republican, but do not always vote Republican!

            You also know very well, that no one wants kids (or anyone else for that matter) to suffer needlessly….yet you sit there….lying in wait like the venus flycatcher (oooops….sorry if I’m offending the VFC like I did the fruit fly. The point is, and as unfortunate and uncomfortable as it will understandably be….in this financial crisis, everything must be looked at when cutting costs. I agree; it’s not pretty….but neither will be, an entire bankrupt and collapsed U.S. economy.

            I guess your brilliant and shining example of how to analyze all sides to an issue must have blinded you to this point: If Obama had put a serious Jobs Bill forward (as he promised he would do), more folks would likely be working and able to purchase health care coverage. But oh, I forgot you would want them to buy all those toys they want first…leaving nothing to purchase health care coverage…for themselves and their families.

            Eyes, before you (a self-proclaimed Christian)….start questioning my Christianity…..you might start looking to the real Messiah for your own guidance, instead of a Hollywood version of a POTUS messiah. Hmmmm….wonder what Christ thinks of your own denigrating name-calling behavior, Eyes?

            Fed Up Gal

          • eyeswideopen

            FedUp, whats the matter, can’t you admit, you don’t know squat about the fruit flies, and as a typical radical you just had to make a stupid comment about the funding? Yup, that’s you and your type. You can never admit when you make a stupid statement. Matter of fact, I don’t recall any of you ever admitting when you have made an error. Oh, that’s right, all of you are perfect.

          • eyeswideopen

            FedUp, as usual you go off base, bringing up subjects to divert that fact that you made a statement about funding fruit flies, which you knew nothing about. It was an opportunity to slam the Dem’s that you couldn’t abstain from. Instead of saying, oops, I didn’t know that is why that program is funded, you try and turn it into a debate about healthcare in general. Fed UP, are you ever wrong about anything? Better question, do you ever admit you are wrong about anything?

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Eyes,

            Admittedly, I know very little about fruit flies. Never met one I liked (or disliked for that matter). If you will go back and re-read my posts, you will see I was responding to Valerie’s commenting on her [understandable] frustration with Washington’s “funding” of wasteful studies….hence the reference to fruit flies in my response.

            I hope my “admission” that I have little knowledge of fruit flies makes you feel better, Eyes.

            Fed Up Gal

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Well, Eyes….. Looks like you just copied your 07 Mar 12:16pm post into your 12:26pm post with a pinch of venom added for flavor. Other than that, you added nothing new to the discussion…..so I can only surmise that you were having trouble understanding your own point. I hope you don’t get too confused and start “Hands Clapping Loudly” by mistake.

            BTW – I guess I do have to admit another error on my part. I was wrong to think you could actually follow a discussion between more than one party at a time. Ooooops….sorry…my bad!

            Fed Up Gal

          • Joe H.

            Fed Up Girl,
            Eyesknows all about fruit flies. Some of them are her best friends and political reps!!!

        • JeffH

          Fed Up Gal in NM, Im standing and clapping ou loud! I think I just made myself sick! ‘scuse me, gotta run.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            JeffH,

            Thanks! I think……LoL.

            Fed Up Gal

          • Joe H.

            Fed Up Gal,
            Hands clapping!!! And eyes brain rattleing!!!!!

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Joe H,

            Yeah that must be it….LoL.

            Fed Up Gal

      • Meteorlady

        Valerie: while I empathize with you, I can not image that it would take 99 weeks to find a job. There are help wanted signs around my small town and people that have run out of benefits are now taking them to tide them over. There are assistance programs like food stamps and subsidized housing for those whose benefits have run out and some are using those assistance programs. Seniors that were retired are working in grocery stores to make ends meet. When I worked I had 1 year of savings to cover anything catastrophic. It took me awhile to save that much, but it helped when I lost my job during the high tech fall. Still, the East Indians, Chinese, Canadians, Russians and other foreigners here on work visas were still working because they made less money than Americans doing the same jobs did. So the Americans lost their jobs and the foreigners continued to work. I collected unemployment, went to school and learned another trade and found a new job all in 7 months. Sorry, but I find it stupid to think that taxpayers and businesses should continue to foot the bill for people that don’t take responsibility for themselves.

        • George E

          Meteorlady,

          Good for you. I love to see people take the initiative like you have to take responsibility for themselves and their families. However, in the case of others who have found it more difficult to land a job, you might want to keep in mind that the economy here in Texas hasn’t suffered as much as it has in other parts of the country. Jobs are generally easier to get here than in most other states. That’s what good ole conservative leadership gives you. (Eyes, I put that one in just for your enjoyment…..ha.)

          • eyeswideopen

            George, love your humor, which republican states are doing well? Have you checked on the amount of stimulus money that Texas took?

          • George E

            Eyes,

            I thought you might like that little barb………..ha. Just kidding you.

            Since you asked, I did a little research on stimulus money awarded to Texas. Here’s what I learned, and my comments:
            1. Texas was awarded a total of $12.35B stimulus money. (Reference: recovery.gov)
            2. The money was awarded to individual departments and universities within the State. Each of these entities applied for the money on their own and were fortunate in being awarded these amounts. (Reference: https://fmx.cpa.state.tx.us/businessobjects/enterprise115/desktoplaunch/opendoc/documentXML.jsp?cmdP1=untitled*1917544*1*wid**&token=DWBIPROD02.CORE.CPA.STATE.TX.US%402637445JfGV6fcjGdwR0b292637423JfclWda32zuHQxwV&cmd=askView&cmdBlock=all&cmdP2=sWindow%3DSame)
            3. While the amount of money awarded Texas is quite large, it may in fact be lower than the average per capita amount awarded to the states. (Reference: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,533841,00.html)
            4. Finally, it appears according to the Fox News report listed above that there is a statistical correlation between the amounts awarded to states/counties receiving money and how they voted for President.

            Regarding your question about how Republican led states are doing financially, my response is that I think one would need to dig into the data to really see how conservative leadership compares with liberal leadership at the state level. That will take a lot of time, so I’ll just give you my opinion right now. That is, any entity that subscribes to and implements classic free market economics as conservatives and libertarians generally endorse, will do better than any entity that subscribes to and implements any other form of economic system, including Keynesian economics which liberals typically endorse. Unfortunately, not all Republican led governments stick closely to classic free market economics. I think this is for two basic reasons: 1) Not all Republicans are as conservative as others, and 2) states with divided representation, which most have, must compromise on most things, including economics.

            Take care.

          • Joe H.

            Eyesboogeredshut,
            I haven’t checked, but probably a little less than your own liberal state did with less than half the land mass!!!!!

    • Louise

      They need the work to support their familes. Construction work is often hampered by bad weather. My son is a construction worker he has lost a lot of days this winter because of the snow,ice and blizzards in our area. It is tough on them. Walk a mile in their boots before you sound off!

      • Conservative Carl

        I’m not sure anyone posting here is posting about construction workers who are hampered by weather and who only draw when there are long periods of bad weather when they cannot work. There are other industries such as manufacturing or you name it, jobs not hindered by weather. But realize also that Bunning was only asking for the money to be taken from the UNSPENT TARP funds, not to create more deficit spending. B.H.O about a week earlier had signed onto a PAY AS YOU GO or PAYGO plan. What happened?

        • eyeswideopen

          Conservative Carl, this was an extension, until the bill comes up for funding and will be voted on at that time. I would be interested in how much money this guy cost all those using Corba, while it was not in effect, how much money it cost the transportation projects, that were halted, how much money it cost to shut down the system from sending the checks, and how much to restart the process. This fool, probably cost us taxpayers hundreds of thousands. Thank you Repubs, seems as though we could have spent that money more wisely.

          • JeffH

            eyeswideopen, this so called “fool” took a stand that not one other politician had the cahones to do. You call him a fool? Take a lesson from this “fool”! When will the madness stop. As long as a free spending president and Congress are running the show, that’s how long. Lifes tough for most everyone right now, but, as usual, you prefer to have mother government freespend what they don’t have anyway. Look after and feed the sheeple! Worthless liberal hack!

          • Joe H.

            eyesbeadedshut,
            If this was a liberal doing this against the repubs, youm would be singing his praises. but since it was against your hero Obummer and the dems it’s a travesty!!!! Your ignorance is “progressing”!!!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            JeffH, I can’t wait until they cancel Medicare and then we will see who is a fool. You will be crying like a baby for that big government run socialist program that you love. Hypocrite!!

          • Meteorlady

            Eyes honey – Medicare was paid for by working people through payroll deductions. Anyone that paid into that program deserves to get their money back. Medicare would be running exceptionally well if we would have stopped the politicians from tacking on more and more rules and allowing more and more spending. Unlike taxes…..SS and Medicare are owed back to the people that paid for the program.

          • JeffH

            eyeswideopen, the living troll. I’m not going to lose one minute of sleep over it. You could only hope. Hold your breath for it, it’ll keep you pie hole closed!

          • eyeswideopen

            Meteorlady, I am all for giving back the small amount of monies paid into Medicare, kill the program and let everyone take care of themselves. You repubs want it both ways. You want a program that you paid into, in such small amounts that it is exhausted within 5-6 years, or with any major surgery and hospital stay. Meanwhile, you keep getting benefits for 20-30 years. You think with the average salary of 42,000, and paying 1.2% into system, that it covers 15-20 years of medical coverage? Dream on, do the math. So, funny that now suddenly all the repubs are for medicare. Take a look at you SS statement and tell me that when you are collecting $1,000 per month or 12k per year, what you paid in is exhausted within a 6 year period of time, then who is paying for you to receive that $12k per year?
            You repubs have changed your stance, because now you need govern assistance and you didn’t save enough. Check out the stats on the average 55-65 yr old, who only has 40-50 saved for retirement. You are all socialists who don’t want to admit it.

          • Joe H.

            eyestapedshut,
            YOU do the math and figure out what it would be over a period of forty years with compounded interest then tell me how much I would have had if I had been able to invest it along with what I DID!!! Don’t forget a measily 7% doubles your money in less than seven years and there were years that you could have made as high as 12!!!!

          • eyewideopen

            JoeH, http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/ProgData/taxRates.html
            Here are the rates, tell me what you paid in based on an average salary for those years. You aren’t out that much money. Besides just think of what you would be making today. 1.68% that would negate when the interest rate was at 7%. Since you wouldn’t have had that much in, we wouldn’t owe you that much. Can we deduct what we have already paid to you in monthly payout?

          • Joe H.

            eyesignorantlyshut,
            Seeing as I’m 59 and never collected a cent from it, you can deduct all and every cent they have paid out to me. how’s that toe jam taste????

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        Louise,

        Why do people wait until they’re in desperate situations to make a move….to a new and/or different location, job, career, additional schooling, etc? Even some in my own family don’t relocate or even try to change jobs to improve their lifes. They just stay in same mess, even when other opportunities arise. I know it can be difficult, but we must move forward when these opportunities arise. We simply cannot, nor should we feel justified in relying on others to always improve our lives….we must be proactive in this area.

        Fed Up Gal

        • eyeswideopen

          Fed Up, didn’t anyone tell you that some people can’t sell their homes and move, as they are upside down in those homes, due to the housing industry crashing? I suppose you would rather that they get foreclosed and just walk away? By the way, they didn’t do anything to bring the market decline, some areas were hit harder than others. Thank your republican leaders for this wonderful mess, Bush tried to stop it in 2003, but no, the republican controled Congress didn’t want to put any restraints on the Banks, or housing industry. You are heartless, and very judgemental of others. Must be nice to have no problems.

          • Fed Up Gal

            Eyes,

            You know very well I don’t “want” people to have their homes foreclosed, but unlike you…. I also think many could have used better judgment when purchasing their homes. I’ve seen it time and time again…..someone is supposedly qualified for a $200K/300K (just pick a number) purchase, and they go ahead and buy at the top of their qualification amount….not factoring in all the other costs involved in owning a home, family costs, or the possibility of a market down-turn.

            My home has also depreciated in value; I’m having to be patient and hope it will at least return to the value I purchased it at in 2007. I did not purchase at the top of my qualification amount and that is probably what is making it a bit easier to wait out the market…..I said easi(er), not easy. Eyes, you may need to get your own “judgment” in check…..I have had considerable hurdles to overcome; I just have not expected you to come to rescue me each and every time….and you know what…I’m a better person for that! You are the heartless one, Eyes….because you are content with keeping people in the “perpetual” hand-out mode and manipulating them into thinking you will save them (while using others’ money to do so).

            So you SEE, Eyes (well maybe not)….we’ve all had a part in this mess (you as well), so we must all be involved in cleaning up the mess…..starting with being responsible for our own part in the mess. That means not expecting someone to rush in and fix our own screw-ups.

            I noticed you failed to mention the Democrats’ involvement in this mess; I believe they had a huge part in it…as they decided everyone should get a mortgage, even if they couldn’t really afford one. I mean look at the wonderful gift of blessing so many sub-prime mortgages….that should have been a wake-up call; but then again it seems in recent Democrat administrations……someone has been at home….but the lights were rarely on!

            Fed Up Gal

          • eyeswideopen

            Fed Up, yes us repubs let the dem’s get they way with the mortgage mess. But we were in power and with our belief system of no regulations for any private industry, we voted with them to allow less stringent rules. Check out the Bills passed in 1994 thru 2007. When you have repubs voting to authorize such a mess, and we had control, who is responsible? You try and blame them for everything, just what will you take responsiblity for? Hyprocrisy.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Geeeeez…Eyes……Please try and keep up. You keep saying I (and others) continue to blame the Dems for everything. Did you not read or see my comment about us all having a part in this mess? Maybe I should have typed it all in CAPS to make it easier for you, Eyes. Since you’re still having trouble, let me just paste it here (for your convenience):

            “So you SEE, Eyes (well maybe not)….we’ve all had a part in this mess (you as well), so we must all be involved in cleaning up the mess…..starting with being responsible for our own part in the mess. That means not expecting someone to rush in and fix our own screw-ups.

            Eyes, I understand how frustrating it can be when you can’t get your point across…..so if it’s easier for you…just send me the comments you would like posted…and I will help you out….isn’t that what you said in another posts to someone else…that we should all be a team? Well….I offered….TAG…Your It!

            Fed Up Gal

          • Joe H.

            Fed Up Gal,
            She doesn’t like facts like that. Like mine, we bought our home at 69900 and put about 70000 into it later. We have paid off all of ours but two more payments. The house is evalued at 180000 and we only have 140000 invested!!! We could move and could have moved at any time!!!! We used our heads though!!!! We were cleared for 150000 but we didn’t want to bust the bank. We looked at it this way. If either of us got laid off we could still make the payments and I could weld at home if I had to and make enough to pay it and still pay the bills and eat!!!

        • libertytrain

          Fed UP Girl -I couldn’t agree with you more – there are many who could but just don’t and I’ve not quite understood that – and I agree with your answer to eyes as well – she’s always looking to change a poster’s words or meanings – why- I have no idea.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Hi LT,

            Thanks for the support! I kinda feel sorry for Eyes. I think she just confuses herself and doesn’t know how to bow out gracefully…that’s one theory.

            Fed Up Gal

        • eyewideopen

          Fed Up, you were critizing people who don’t make a change to improve. Some can’t risk changing jobs due to healthcare insurance, some are upside down in homes. Yes, you are in a good situation, but why critize others when they might not be able to make the changes for fiscal reasons? Is that point to hard for you to grasp? You are a hard ass and judging others without knowing each individual situation, in other words you were generalizing, is not fair. So you know a few people who abused the system, hundreds of thousands more didn’t abuse it, or the bankruptcy rate would be even higher. Who is your compassion reserved for? The Wall Street Crew?

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            The way I see it, Eyes…..as long as we are expressing viewpoints that are polar opposite, I guess we’ll both be guilty (to at least some degree) of being critical. It’s important to remember that not all criticism is bad; some can be constructive…but one has to be open to hearing it as well.

            You asked me “why critize others when they might not be able to make the changes for fiscal reasons? Is that point to hard for you to grasp”?

            My answer: I suppose it is hard for me to grasp why anyone would think it is fair or even somewhat reasonable for someone to abdicate their personal responsibility onto others. I do not believe the majority of those in or near default/foreclosure of their mortgage had no culpability in their own situation; sure a minority few may legitimately be in trouble, but most simply did not plan ahead (job loss, auto repairs, health care, to name a few). You said I am generalizing, because I don’t know each individual’s situation. By your own words, you believe that makes me a “hard ass” and judgmental of others. Well Eyes, I could say the same about you….you don’t know each individual’s situation either; therefore you are generalizing as well and I believe that makes you either naive or just stubborn…I’m not sure which.

            I also believe too many are too quick to file bankruptcy, file credit card charge-offs, etc; those costs are passed on to the rest of us and at some point we must say no more! Further, I believe it is rude and manipulative behavior for others to expect someone else to pick up their tab, and even more manipulative to have government force such persons’ debt on the rest of society. Eventually the well will be dry; our paper money is already worth so little and before long will be worth nothing.

            If someone chooses to purchase at the top of their financial limit, that is their choice and their financial burdens should not then be dispersed out to others (via forced tax payments). Why do so many have to wait until they’ve dug themselves into a financial pit….to learn how to conserve and plan for the unexpected?

            Eyes, I don’t agree with your statement “hundreds of thousands more didn’t abuse it, or the bankruptcy rate would be even higher”. I believe home foreclosures may very well be higher in the near future; I believe foreclosures are being artificially stabilized currently; when the time extension runs out, we will likely see a huge increase in actual foreclosures or possibly another government extension which would simply prolong the inevitable…that’s my concern.

            Last, but not least….I have little compassion for the Wall Street Crew you referenced. I lost a large portion of my retirement savings over the past couple of years. I do however; have less compassion for Congress and the Washington Crew.

            Fed Up Gal

  • Conservative Carl

    I’ve seen vicious comments on another website attacking Bunning because these people believe they have the right to draw unemployment money as long as they’re out of work – no matter if they aren’t even looking for a job. Besides, in past years many people have taken jobs outside their field because they wanted to survive. Unemployment usually didn’t run for more than 3 to 6 months, but things changed.
    Do most people who complained about Bunning not realize he was only asking for the money to be taken from the UNSPENT TARP funds, not to create more deficit spending. Too Americans are not keeping up with the issues since they tune in only to the mainstream media that dutifully report the Marxist (progressive)talking points.
    These Americans are like sheep led to the slaughter. All they can do is parrot the Obama line that everything is George W. Bush’s fault. The Bushs’ and Clinton along with Joe Biden, Barney Frank, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were all complicit in getting the banking industry in the mess we fact today.

    • Fed Up Gal in NM

      Conservative Carl,

      Excellent points! Sad to say, we as a society have raised a generation or two of “give me” victims. Yes, there are true victims that need help from time to time; the problem is too many others jump on that gravy train, so as not to shoulder any of their own personal responsibility in their own demise or in improving their own lives. The longer we continue allowing this, the less there will be to help the truly needy….so I agree we should quickly put a tourniquet in place to at least stop the bleeding so we have time to heal. At least Bunning was operating in “Reality” mode and not in an “ideological” mode.

      Fed Up Gal

  • Tim

    If Washington ever sees the light on spending, there will be a LOT of folks griping about cuts in their govt checks. The entitlement programs are the root of the problems, and Bunning is trying to take the first step. Those issues will be a tough nut to crack at election time. “cut spending but don’t cut my entitlement”. Hope more like him come out of hiding to bring this to the forefront.

    • eyeswideopen

      Tim, I agree, let’s kill Medicare, biggest socialist program there is. I dare you to suggest that to your repub/conser friends and see if they agree. Repubs have wanted to privatize it for over 20 years, of course, it would be broke now if it were private due to the fiscal mess on stock market, but hey, it’s worth a try.

      • Joe H.

        eyesclawedshut,
        t is broke now dufis!!! we will be lucky if anyone under the age of 60 right now will ever be able to collect!!!

      • George E

        Eyes,

        It’s a fact that Medicare is consuming the lion’s share of our tax revenue, and this program is growing rapidly. Something is going to have to be done sooner or later, or this program alone will consume the entire federal budget, not to mention the other entitlement programs we’re trying to support. None of us want our benefits cut, but something is going to have to be done, and benefit cuts is one option. Another is premium increases, while another is rationing of services. Another is increase taxes, and another is to make the program more efficient. Some Republicans have proposed privatizing Medicare in the past to make it more efficient, while Democrats have favored increased taxes. It appears that the Obama administration also favors tighter price controls which leads to rationing as demonstrated by the recent cuts in Medicare payments to health care providers. There seems to be no politically easy answers to this problem. What’s your solution?

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Yeah Eyes….What say You?

          Fed Up Gal

        • eyeswideopen

          George, come on, I know you are smarter than that. The cuts being made are those subsidies that the Big Pharma gets by not allowing the government to negotiate prices. I am surprised that you don’t know what cuts they are talking about. Where do you think Medicare would be now, after the market crash last year, if it had been private? Broke now is the answer. Don’t you think it is funny that the repubs cut medicare benefits in 1995 and have wanted to do away with the program for years, and now they are squealing like pigs trying to keep it? Too funny, and hypocritical. The only reason Medicare Advantage passed to the tune of 800billion unfunded dollars, is because the repubs wanted to give the insurance/big Pharma money. What they passed is a total waste of money and why would you agree to tie the hands of the organization (taxpayers) who are paying for those meds? Taking away the ability to negotiate was utter stupidity.

          • George E

            Eyes,

            Thanks for the compliment. Actually, I was referring to the 21.5% cut in physician pay that was proposed. Admittedly, I don’t know much about it, but I’ve heard several physicians complaining about it over the past few days, so it sounds serious. I understand that some have even denied care because of this cut.

            I don’t have a solution for fixing Medicare either. However, doing nothing isn’t a good answer, nor is making it easier for immigrants to get on the program when they haven’t paid into it like we have. And, as you may have figured out, I don’t have much confidence that the government will do anything more than increase costs and reduce services over time if we leave it in their hands. The future isn’t bright for this program, or most of our entitlement programs, in my opinion.

          • eyeswideopen

            George, you must be referring to the SGR, which they have already passed a fix for. In 1997 MVPS was changed and Sgr was implemented. This has nothing to do with the present medicare situation. It has to do with how Congress decided in 97 to make payments and tied them to a different formula. Here is more info, so you can understand what has happened. It is not in the reform bill to cut payments to the physicians, it was a previous way to pay. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/712775
            http://www.americangeriatrics.org/advocacy/physician_primer.sap
            http://www.cms.hhs.gov/SustainableGRatesConFacts/Downloads/sgr/2009/f.pdf

          • Joe H.

            George E,
            I noticed she sidestepped the question as to what her ideas were. That’s because she has none. She is obviously not as old as she says she is or it would upset her too to think about loosing the money she has paid into it. Probably in her twenties so she hasn’t payed much of anything into it!!!

          • eyewideopen

            George, I put answer in, earlier in day. Looks like someone didn’t like me explaining to you that the 21 % has already been fixed by Congress, and the reason this problem came about is called SGR, how the formula is figured. It has been a problem for many years, here is link explaining it better than I would. As Fed Up, would say, I don’t communicate very well. http://www.ohioverticals.com/blogs/akron_law_cafe/2009/10/health_care_financing_reform_48_sgr_why_physicians_are_facing_a_20_pay_cut_from_medicare/
            If link doesn’t work, you can google sgr and learn that the cut hasn’t got anything to do with this reform bill. It is just more lies to try and scare the people.

          • George E

            Eyes,

            Thanks. That was a helpful article. It did answer some questions for me. However, I guess I’m also reminded that the formula for SGR (Sustainable Growth Rate) is a rather arbitrary way for government regulators to set prices for health care. Even though it incorporates some good features (variables) in the formula, it’s just a “one size fits all solution” to the problem of keeping prices under control. It would make a good tool for estimating health care costs, but not a good tool, in my opinion, for controlling health care cost.

            This approach will, no doubt, cause problems that will result in some unnecessary shortages of health care providers in some areas and some specialties. I’m confident that this could be avoided if this program was left to individuals to buy and pay for their own health care working within the private sector. In the end, I feel confident that the market should be able to manage health care at a lower cost than a government-run system, like Medicare.

          • Joe H.

            George E,
            eyes handily bypasses the fact that hospitals like the Mayo clinic in Arizona are not accepting medicare patients after the first of next year!!! Dr.s don’t want to put up with the delays and substandard payments!!! what are they going to do when they can’t go to ANY dr.???

          • eyeswideopen

            JoeH, I was responding to Georges statement about the 21% cut of pay for physicians, I wasn’t having a discussion on the total healthcare bill, if I had made statements about that, you would have accused me of going off subject or rambling. Look for another reason to attack me that makes sense.

  • http://zoomtown.com charlie

    Bunning had the backbone to stand up which the others havent shown..Talk of money, how many know the stimulus went over seas to China, and other countries to make jobs and left us hanging again.. that was to be for American jobs but Obama and his croonies give it away and we pay for it and end up if were lucky eating grass. Wake up call the hill and tell them where to go .Watch Gret on Fox news shes telling it all where other media is still in bed with oBAMA. vOTE THEM OUT AND GET THIS NATION BACK TO THE PEOPLE.

  • Harry

    Health reform? We need congressional reform more and nothing is going to get better until that happens. The administration has taken bold steps and hurt our country. We need to take bold steps to save our country. Rein in Congress/House and reform them into what the founding fathers had in mind for this country. Congress/House is attracting the wrong type of people. They are in it for themselves and not the people or the country. We must attract people who want to give back to their country for their successes not to live the easy/elitist life forever. One four year term and one six year term, no retirement benefits except social security which they are required to pay into. (If they haven’t prepared for retirement they are not capable of running the country) Salary commensurate with the other government employees…that is basic and any increases are on the ballet. They are on the same health care as the people and if there are lines they stand in them. No perks such as Pelosi’s plane and they ride on the airlines with the rest of the us. No private cars, chauffeurs or other travel benefits. When they travel they stay in regular hotels to cut costs and have a limit on food etc. In other words they set an example for the people of the country that they are not there to benefit financially but to serve the people. No parties in the White House like are going on now but parties for business only. We did not elect them to have a party every week or twice a week for their enjoyment. If they want to have fun then they spend their own money…just like we do. Campaigns are limited to three months and funded by the government where every one is equal. If we get the right people in there the country will heal and become prosperous again. Don’t tell me it can’t be done.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Harry…. Great post… You have a lot of good ideas… Too bad there isn’t someway to enforce them. The elite in Washington sure like living the good life while we live pay check to pay check without any perks!

    • sinnie

      Harry, I agree with you all of it but the part that concerns me the most is that the Libs control the money and they can spend what ever they want and where ever they want; they have groups that they use to help strenghten their positions, groups such as Organize for America, SEIU, ACORN…etc. And they use our unlimited tax $ in their disposition to fund them to work against us; while at the same time they starve us, free market private sectors, small businesses, the group of people who are fighting against the government corruptions. We all know that people need money to run for election, without it, it’s tough to win. Obama and his croonies want to take over private sectors; their intention is to cause financial collapsed to the country so they can twist the claim that the free market and capitalism don’t work. This will allow them to bring in the new system such as Socialism, Marcism…etc. Our country is in grave danger we must fight as hard as we can for our country and constitution before it is too late.

  • Armand Paul

    Senator Bunning should be commended not critized. He stood up for RIGHT and forced the Senate Body and Leader to follow the Rules they made. “Pay for your out of control spending not just spend blindly Tax Payer Money that we don’t have”

  • Norm

    Senator Bunning is far too old to be in the Senate. He is obviously not all there mentally.
    As far as financing, how about increasing the taxes that are used to pay the unemployed benifits. Or even better, how about taxing senators and congressmen on their health and retirement plans.

    • Time

      Norm, So what about Chuckie Cheese he is older than Bunning, lets see what about Ted Kennedy he had Brain Cancer yet you seem to have felt he was ok, Hillery is older as well, let alone Joe marxist Bidden, Max marxist Bacus, Harry Marxist Reid, Nancy PigOsee.

      The facts are Norm your confused, and you show it with nearly every post you make. I know deep down your a good person, but you really need to make the effort to see the light.

      Just as you say Glen Beck is a wack job, why is that, he is an entertainer and he dose just that.
      BUT, he also brings out facts that “can’t be disputed” by anyone who has even the most basic grasp of history, and or Human behavior.

      Again I ask you Norm, Please wake up.

    • Barb

      Norm here we go again! If Bunning is too old then what about oh let’s see,
      I dunno REID?, Mc CAIN?,TED KENNEDY?????, I could go on and on but what’s the point. No disrespect, Norm, but it’s YOU that is not all there mentally! Bunning did a great job for as long as he could to hold off a bunch of money grubbing spendthrift morons and I salute him!

      • American Citizen

        How about Byrd, the oldest Senator for a long time.

    • Fed Up Gal in NM

      Well Norm….guess your true [discrimination] colors are showing! Shame on you Norm…for trying to get rid of someone simply because of age. He has more integrity in his pinky toe than you have … ooops…what am I saying?….YOU apparently don’t have any!

      Fed Up Gal

      • eyeswideopen

        Fed Up, if it is mandatory for pilots to retire at a certain age, and govern employees must retire at 65, why should be have Congressmen who are older? Think of how old and out of touch McCain is. What is good for the rest of the country should be good enough for Congress. We need mandatory retirement for those old farts up there.

        • George E

          Good point. One might say the same thing for Supreme Court justices as well.

          Funny you mentioned John McCain as an example. I was thinking of Robert Byrd. McCain looks perky next to Byrd. Don’t you think?

          • Claire

            George E and Eyes—I agree with both of you on this issue. Very very good point.

          • eyeswideopen

            George, Yup, he should have retired about 25 years ago, If you just look at a picture of Senate, nothing but old white haired, white guys who are far from the average salary of 42k. I would like to see more women represented, since we are the majority of the population. Age limits should be imposed. I agree that us older people have experience, but after a certain age, they cannot relate to younger people. How many of us would like our parents making decisions on policies that they can’t relate too?

          • George E

            Eyes,

            I guess the more I think about it, the more I feel like age probably shouldn’t be a factor in how long people get to work. We ought to judge people on the merits of their service while in the job rather than their age, I think.

            I think it would be nice if more good women were in the office. However, good qualified women have to run for office if more are going to be elected.

          • Joe H.

            George E,
            Yeah, who was the justice that slept through most if not all of the deliberations, then made decisions??? Can’t remember his name!!!

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Eyes,

          Once again, you missed the boat….I mean the point. I just find it funny that liberals yell and scream about their so-called “rights” being violated, but they don’t seem to care about others’ rights. There is also something to say about gaining the perspective from someone who has lived long enough to have learned from life experiences.

          While I agree, there needs to be a more uniform policy regarding retirement across the board….I also believe it would depend on the overall health of the individual, i.e., can they show up for work and actually do something while there?…..and of course the safety of those relying on the individual in question. I’m sure most liberals love the idea of an expanded government regulation to oversee that function.

          Using your analogy, maybe pilots, bus drivers, mail carriers, and similar could also be judged on their ability to perform their jobs safely…instead of simply based on their age.

          George E., made an excellent point about Supreme Court Justices and about Robert Byrd’s perkiness (or rather lack there of) when compared to McCain…heh heh.

          Fed Up Gal

          • eyeswideopen

            FedUp, George tells me good point, and you say I missed the boat? You will never allow yourself to agree with anything that someone not in the Conservative party proposes. I am an Independent, an ex Republican. I am not a Democrat. I allow myself to take the best from both parties. But it’s ok, you can keep on calling me names, I am now immune that John Birch tactic.

          • eyewideopen

            FedUp, George tells me good point, and you say I missed the boat? You will never allow yourself to agree with anything that someone not in the Conservative party proposes. I am an Independent, an ex Republican. I am not a Democrat. I allow myself to take the best from both parties. But it’s ok, you can keep on calling me names, I am now immune that John Birch tactic.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Eyes,

            I was joking earlier when I said you must have confused yourself, because you seemed to have copied most of a previous post into a another post….but now I’m really starting to worry about you, as you did not even add that pinch of venom to this one….just copied the same exact post. Because of your current diminished capacity…. I’ll try to be gentle this go around.

            I’m not sure, but it seems to me one can take George’s comment you referenced…more than one way. Maybe he was being genuine….maybe he was kidding around….who knows for sure (except George). Either way… my comments are mine…and George’s comments are his. While we may agree on most issues, that does not mean we will necessarily agree on all. I hope this satisfies your need to win an argument (even when there was no argument).

            Fed Up Gal

  • Time

    If anyone thinks that this was bad, just wait until these marvels pass the health Care reform bill.
    As anyone can clearly see, Social Security is BROKEN, just this week the Post Office stated it’s BROKEN, and as you all know MedaCAID is broken, and has been for years.

    Yet somehow this crazy program (HCR) that has more flaws than a pile of rubble is going to fix things.
    If thats not PRETZEL LOGIC, than I have no words that can even express how mindless the whole thing is.

    I also have a bridge you may want to buy.

    Lets not even get into Cap and Trade, or any of the other ideas that spring out of the DC Belt Way road apples.

  • Armand Paul

    Listening to everyone so far, every guest speaker none zero in on real issue with Healthcare Bills.
    America needs Congress to do their jobs; coordinate real cost relief Healthcare.
    That is the bottom line, that is what Americans know is needed .
    Problem is Congress keeps saying Reform but in essence there is no Reform in the Bills.
    Instead creative accounting to camouflage real massive costs, Real costs deleted to hide real cost facts. Shady deals and 2000 pages of Political emaciation of American Tax Dollars to a tune of $1 Trillion Tax dollars we don’t have….Wake-up Madame Pelosi & Mr. Ried, America is fed up!

    Congress Where’s the Real Meat, Where is True Bottom Line Reform that with real accounting will cut costs. Double talk and Double Accounting with White Coat Props is not Reform??

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    It doesn’t matter folks because America (The real “Israel” in the end days(Menashsheh), Joseph’s child)is doomed! First, the only inspired language is Hebrew(Zeph 3:9)and Exodus 23:13 says that we are not to use any other word but “YAHWEH” and not to have any “foreigner over us”(Deut.17:15)! Think about our President? We are about to enter into Ya’aqob’s trouble! Yes, the whole world has been deceived! If you are interested in truth: info@icyahweh.org.

    • libertytrain

      Victor – you keep putting in this email address – that’s not of any use?

  • Bruce A.

    Too bad Bunning had to stand alone. Republicans should have used this as a teaching moment, much the way Reagan used to with charts and graphs. Heck, all they had to do was play Obama’s speech calling for passages of no bill without funding. The US legislature just a few days ago passed the Pay-Go (pay as you go)bill then proceeded to exempt the next two spending from that new law. As for making it onto the drive-by media, ABC radio, yesterday, on every hourly newscast referred to Bunning as single-handly blocking funding to take care of poor out of work people. Would that all Republicans had as much backbone.

    • Barb

      AMEN!

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    Given the prolonged Obama/Democrap Party recession, we should all understand that many people are in need of this safety net known as unemployment insurance, and its extensions. However, why is there no effort by the Democraps to emulate Ronald Reagan? Significant reductions in taxes and regulations would end the recession, and create decent jobs, thus greatly reducing the need for this safety net. Of course, the democraps won’t do that. All BHO and his democraps know how to do is “blame Bush” and make people more dependent on government. Let’s just think of what Rush Limbaugh has said – that compassion is measured not by how many people receive government assistance, but by the # of people who no longer need it!! THESE LIBERAL MISCREANTS NEED TO BE VOTED OUT IN 2010 AND 2012!!!!

    • Bruce A.

      At some time or other we have all fallen into the trap by believing that Obama is actually trying to fix things, but just making mistakes. Nothing could be further from the truth. Remember Rom Emanual’s statement,”You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. What I mean by that is that it is an opportunity to do things you could not do before.”

      Obama tactics are intended to extend and deepen the recession to use it for justification to intrude deeply into our day to day lives and disregard more and more of the protections enumerated by the Constitution. The method to stop this recession and rejuvenate the economy is well known providing the perfect template to do the opposite. The intent is to ride this country into the ground leading to soup lines and people begging for the government to take action. And, the bill of rights, as defined by Obama, is “a negative document.”

      • Bruce A.

        Apparently this comment page deletes links. If you want to see Rahm Emanuel say those things about the crisis, do a search on you tube for “Rahm Emanuel on the Opportunities of Crisis.”

        • Time

          Bruce,
          Thats really an old statment from long before RE’s time, but its been used by Marxist over and over again, and even the fip side of the same “two headed coin” the Nazi’s also used it.
          Strange, No, not at all note I said the same two headed coin as in one in the same.

  • Meteorlady

    Glad to see one person has some balls. Sorry the news media did not include the entire reason why he did what he did. Sorry no one else stood with him……

    Also, 99 weeks? Give me a break…. If you haven’t found a job in the first year you are not really looking or are you just trying to get the same paying job you had. If we cut benefits, maybe a lot of the help wanted signs would disappear around here as people would take interim jobs until they find one that utilizes their talents and pays more money. That’s what the people are doing who have already exhausted their benefits. There are plenty of jobs out there or there wouldn’t be so may illegals here working.

    • eyeswideopen

      Meteorlady, have you taken a walk around Michigan? They have no jobs.The only reason Texas has money is because your governor took 11.8 billion from the government or your state would have had higher unemployment.

      • JeffH

        eyes, just can it already. Your comments have been nothing but your same old retreads.

        • eyeswideopen

          JeffH, little you little sniveling baby, be happy that you are using the best social program around and don’t spew that crap about you paying into it. What you will use in five years will exhaust what you paid in during a 40 year period of time. Actually, just one big surgery will exhaust what you paid in. Stay in hospital for four days and you will use $12,000 of what you paid in. You paid in 1.2% of your annual salary. Add it up smart azz. Then you can finally admit that you are a socialist soon as your benefits are gone. Hypocrite.

          • Fed Up Gal

            There you go, Eyes……showing your self-proclaimed Christian behavior with the name calling. I want to be like you (NOT).

            Fed Up Gal

          • JeffH

            eyeswideopen, and you my little fly on the wall are about the biggest, unhappy, hateful individual on this or any other site. Your goal is to disrupt, argue, assume-which only makes you the ass, anybody, anytime and spew your hatred and lies and check out once the heat is on.
            You are essentially blaming everyone else for your terrible losses in life. For once, take the bull by the horns, look in the mirror and see who you really hate in this world. I’d be willing to bet it would be that raggey nag staring at you!
            Yeah, I’ve paid my SS so I deserve it, whether you like it or not, and I dislike the unpatriotic, socialist, anti-Americans trying to remove my freedom’s. You, my fair weather troll, are owhere near the top.

          • eyewideopen

            Fed Up, if you hadn’t noticed, Jeff calls me names in every post, I am finally tired of his childish responses, so I decided to respond in kind, you know the way that DaveH does, when he name calls. I too am human, and last nite, I decided to just call a spade a spade. Jeff wants all the benefits of Medicare, but doesn’t get the drift that the republican/conservative platform for years, has been to do away with that program he so loves. But you are right, I should uphold my integrity, no matter what you and he call me. Just a small lapse. I am sorry it offended you so much. Will you be stepping up to the plate to defend me, when other are name calling me??? LMAO

          • JeffH

            eyeswideopen, paint the picture anyway you like. You search out people and print some of the dumbest comments, always making assumptions, trying to put words in others mouths, calling everyone that you don’t agree with stupid, haters, dumb, Republicans and now that most people here have said they aren’t Republicans you now attack conservatives. You go out of your way to disagree with most, and I know you disagree just to disagree. You have been stalking DaveH for months now, but he can handle it. You are very evil incase you havn’t known that. As I’ve said before, you are one very unhappy person who doesn’t have a clue of what you like or dislike. Oh, and you constantly get caught in lies, that’s when you exit stage left. You have a size 15 mouth.
            Might add, I intentionally call you names because it just seem to be the right thing to do, you’re such an easy target!

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            I’m sorry Eyes. I’m trying to understand, but it’s so hard. Seeing this side of you….it just isn’t becoming. Try being a bit nicer; maybe that will help. Trust me, I feel your pain….. I’m on your side; really I am.

            Fed Up Gal
            P.S. Thank you for acknowledging my “rightness”….heh heh

      • Joe H.

        eyesbandedshut,
        Have YOU taken a walk around Michigan???? I was born there, I lived there for 30 years of my life, I was just up there last month for my mothers funeral. The biggest problem with Michigan is they have almost all their eggs in one basket!! Everything there is associated in one way or another with the auto industry!!!! They never diversified, I left there in 1980 because of that very fact. too many jobs connected with Detroit!!! In ohio there is some but the majority have different very diverse areas!!!! don’t try to tell people something that you have only seen on tv!!!

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        Eyes,

        A bit unfair of you, don’t you think? Texas is still recovering from housing (and employing many of) the majority of those who evacuated during hurricanes Katrina and Rita. Do you think they should have to bear the bulk of the burden….or maybe you feel they should have simply closed their state border and let them hike it up to Michigan? Part of Michigan’s problem is the auto workers’ UNIONS….so guess it was time to pay the pied piper…hmmmm.

        Fed Up Gal

        • eyeswideopen

          Fed Up, you are the one being unfair. Fl is still recovering also, and we took 9.3billion in fed funds. You can’t be hypocritical about others and taking hand outs at the same time. I know, both states are republican run and that should mean that we had responsible leaders controling our money, but guess what? They weren’t and didn’t, so please don’t critize other Americans who live where they do, and who had jobs until this horrible mess occurred. Christians shouldn’t be judging each other for things that happened beyond their control. Hold those responsible for bad policies who were in control.

        • eyeswideopen

          Fed Up, did you forget that Fl had four hurricanes hit us in one year? You think we have recovered from that? But guess what, we sent our personel and resources to New Orleans to help them, and we didn’t ask for any payback as this is supposed to be America, where we stand together during a crisis. Or have you forgotten that’s what we are all about??

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Eyes,

            You must like being a “pot”…..since your comments routinely are like the pot calling the kettle black. How is Texas worse than Florida, for taking government money….if Florida did the same thing…by your own words (seems like a lump-sum payback in some form).

            Florida is not the only state that sent folks to help after the hurricanes….so did our state (NM) and we also took folks in and provided housing, clothing, food, and jobs assistance, as I believe Florida and other states did as well. Texas likely took in more folks than other states, simply because of its proximity to Louisiana.

            It’s not a competition Eyes, but rather compassion…of which all party affiliations (in several states) demonstrated….I know you think you liberals have cornered the market on that. Sorry, to burst that bubble.

            So, Eyes……what exactly was your point?

            Fed Up Gal

          • eyewideopen

            Fed UP, the point is, most people didn’t get bad mortgages, the housing crisis effected some areas more than others, and they can’t afford to move to another location, as they can’t unload their homes. My point is don’t be so critical of others situations, as they didn’t necessarily cause these problems. We are supposed to be supporting each other, instead of critizing those in trouble. My point is Texas took money to help themselves, and they are in no position to be critizing others.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Eyes,

            And…..my point was….when folks buy the most expensive home, car , TV, cell phone….need I go on?….then they are using very poor judgment and they are sticking their heads in the sand to what the future may hold. Then, they expect someone to fix it for them when it all goes to hades in a hand basket.

            Yes, there were some extenuating circumstances that helped push some of them into a financial quagmire….but where was their responsibility to plan for a rainy day (job loss, kids dental braces, depreciating home values, etc), so they would have something to help float them for a time?

            Maybe they will now be ready to part with all the techy toys, excess stuff they bought to put in that new house to help pay for a mortgage note or two……you think? Hmmmmm….what are the chances of that (typically speaking)?

            Fed Up Gal

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Eyes,

            One more thing; have you never heard the saying?:

            “Poor planning on your part, does not make an emergency on my part”.

            Fed Up Gal

        • eyeswideopen

          FedUp, this is for you, Texas budget shortfall wasn’t caused by housing or hurricanes, it was caused by republicans who spent like drunks. Notice on this list how many are republican states.
          http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/nation/state-lawmakers-around-the-united-states-dread-end-of-stimulus-dollars

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Eyes,

            In response to your comments: See above (my 07 Mar 10:18am posting :-).

            In regards to the link you posted, I copied the link to my browser to open….it would not open.

            Fed Up Gal

    • Meteorlady

      Excuse me but…….. GM made cars no one wanted and the unions ran the wages and benefits up to a point that the company could not continue to exist.

      As for our governor – he did not take the money for unemployment. You need to get your facts straight. He turned it down because it would have burdened the state taxpayers in the long run as federal money ran out long before the program would have. Smart move by him… and good for all you liberals because it left more money in the federal coffers for you to suck up.

  • HHH

    A bit of a history lesson should be in order. Reagan oversaw a reduction in tax rates which effectively lowered the revenue produced from the wealthy, and in concert place a greater burden on the middle class. The tax cuts (two of them) under Bush (thru reconciliation) furthered the erosion of revenue, and now some want to reduce the revenue further with more tax cuts??? But I guess this makes sense if all these folks writing to this blog are in the top 5%, and claim the economy would just pick up if “they” get more tax breaks…. rather naive, I say. Unemployment compensation is there as a safety net, and should not be construed as welfare, and unless you all want to return to the 1920′s and 1930′s, should be furthered as good policy. Regarding the Congress, the folks are there to govern and do the people’s business, and not to be obstructionists with a “no” vote on everything that comes forward for discussion or a vote….. these folks need to mature instead of acting adolesent. Cluster Fox may be entertainment, but that should be advertised and stop promoting itself as a fair and balanced newscast.. the Becks, O’Reillys, Hannetys, et.al., come across as wackos and their credibility becomes lacking for any real substance. And to the folks who spew this biblical nonsense, I say you need to understand this is a secular world with secular governments, and the issues and problems are going to be solved with secular solutions, and not some “supernatural intervention”. But I suppose all the folks who write into these blogs will continue to whine and cry…… sad!!! very sad!!!!

    • Time

      HHH,
      I don’t think that most of the people that post on this blog are in the noted % you brought up.
      Are you?

      So on that note whats really your point?

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      HHH… You are wrong! God is in control and on the throne. The day is coming when you will bow and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. You will not have a choice. You better rethink your spiritually while you still have time. What is sad is that you seem to know about Jesus, but reject him. Reject Him elsewhere! You will only get angry comments about your opinion. I’m not saying you don’t have a right to your opinion, but that is what you seem to be telling me….

    • Joe H.

      HHH,
      you are as clueless as your namesake!!! I only WISH I was in that top percentage you speak of!!! I just don’t think it’s ok for you or anybody to STEAL from others pockets to get what they want!!! Tell you what, soon as you find a job, come pay my bills and bypass the middleman!!!

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        Amen Joe H.

        Fed Up Gal

  • Les

    Obama said he was going to follow FDR’s policies to fight the recession. Well the FDR policies kept the depression going for 10 years, and then it took WWII to end it. So is this what Obama envisions ?

  • Big Al

    Good idea. Why should people who have paid into the unemployment system for years actually get to use it now that they are unemployed? That just makes no sense.

    • Time

      Big Al,
      Thats right your paying in to whats alledged to be an “Independent interest accruing Trust account” that holds the money in case you ever need it.

      So where is all that money thats been paid in?

      • Big Al

        Hum, Time. I’m guessing to the 100,000s of newly unemployed people. Just throwing that out there.

        • Conservative Carl

          Just FYI the South Carolina Employment commission,if I remember correctly, had to borrow from the federal government because they ran out of money that was paid in. Partly due to mismanagement, I’m sure, but also because of record numbers of unemployed.

  • http://gmail i41

    There are jobs that need workers. Probably non-union, not in the feild of the employed want, but there are jobs. We have a bunch of spoilt lazy asses that would rather sit and bitch. Right now the big demand is for equipment operators, craftmen or I should say craftpeople, drivers, mechanics, or even conveint store clerks. At least it is a job. As long as the government is handing out freebees the is not any reason to get off the couch. Or the biggest complaint, I’m not leaving ths area I grew up here and my friends are here. If the dems and pencil head brainack Obe want jobs created , gather up the drop outs and unemployable and start policing our interstate highways , picking up garabage, hand clipping weeds and grass. Cut down on violence and trouble in cities. Out in the western state they may even get a nature lesson and fresh air. Work for pay!!!!!

    • Joe H.

      i41
      you might have a point about the violence with your plan. If you take all those punks in the gangs and put them to physical work, they might be too tired to bust heads and rob people!!! they wouldn’t be used to it poor babies!!!

  • EMRoss

    Whether Bunning was right or wrong the unemployed people didn’t cause the loss of all the jobs in America. Even though the unemployed will get SOME relief now, our political agenda and the politicians responsible are are ass backwards and as screwed up as hogans goat, if you get my drift. If we had pulled out of the war the way we should have there would have been more than enough money to
    TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE. War my butt, show me one died in the wool Muslim that is not laughing all the way to the bank after reaping his share of the American big bucks.WAKE UP AMERICANS………………….! THE PEOPLE NEED TO REACT INSTEAD OF SITTING ON OUR BIG FAT BEHINDS WAITING FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO MAKE THE MOVE.

    • Bruce A.

      You are misinformed as to how much money is spent on the war, whether being fought by Bush or Obama. Also, it is not government’s job using my taxes to take care of “everyone.” Leave me my money and I can pay my own way, not dependent on anyone else to “take care” of me with money forcefully taken from others’ pockets. Are you a “user?” (reference: Atlas Shrugged)

    • Joe H.

      EMRoss,
      If we dropped a few hundred of those government workere and dropped crap and druge(cap and trade) and spent the money they take from us as well as borrowed fron our inscrutable buds there would be enough to go around ten times over!!! bunning was just trying to enforce the laws that the Dems passed!!!

      • eyeswideopen

        So, Joe, you are for more unemployment and do you think that only repubs pay taxes? Too funny.

        • JeffH

          Can’t you do anything else but make assunptions and try to put words in other’s mouths. What a loser you are!

          • eyewideopen

            Jeff, Joe, was the one who wants to fire more people, not me. You are acting like one of Rush’s ditto heads.

          • JeffH

            eyesslammedshut, You said: So, Joe, you are for more unemployment and do you think that only repubs pay taxes.
            you made the assumption and you are the only one that is the azz in that case. Size 15 EEEE mouth!

          • Joe H.

            eyesdumbedshut,
            Tell me what I get for my tax money paid into hundreds of thousands of government employees? What about the overlapping departmrents that could be combined and monies saved? What about forced inefficiencies in like the V.A.? Where if you work on more than seven claims a week, they call you on the carpet for it??? I don’t mind paying for an efficient running government, but when it runs so inefficient that it takes twenty times the money to run it than it should then YES, I am tired of it. If you worked that way you wouldn’t last in the private sector 48 hrs!!! So what makes them so special??? What makes it alright for them not to be expected to do their job?? And at a starting salary of 40,000 a year??? Average wage of 70,000 a year??? Are you that stupid??? If so, please get a brain transplant!!!!

          • eyewideopen

            Joe H, The man who wrote the Cato article admitted that he unfairly added together salaries which shouldn’t have been, thus skewing the results. Almost 26% of the federal employees are scientists who have a much higher salary than the private sector. Some jobs in gov are considerably lower in wages that private sector. If you are going to do a comparison it needs to be apples to apples. We want the best scientists in the world to work on our defense systems, so they have higher salaries.

          • Joe H.

            eyesscratchedshut,
            you are so good at sidestepping the posts of others. you don’t address anything I said at all!!! what about all the redundancy in government??? what about all the government waste? what about the fact that there are cases where six and seven people are doing the job of one??? Address these things as they are written here eyes or don’t answer at all!!!!

          • Joe H.

            eyesgoogledshut,
            Gee, guess you didn’t want to answer that, huh????

  • Fred Russell

    Maybe we have just found ourselves a real leader for president since we haven’t had one since Ronald Reagan. Go Sen. Bunning you just pitched a no hitter. This guy could be a great President, since we’ve been without one for over a year now.

  • American Citizen

    Senator Bunning did the right thing, he held the Democrats to their word.
    We have a son-in-law who lost his job due to the sudden death of the business owner. He sent out resumes and had a couple of interviews, but was not hired. He is now driving a school bus until he finds a full-time job.

    • George E

      You’ve got to respect folks who do whatever they can to make ends meet.

      • JeffH

        Why haven’t the politicos in power shown any respect to the people. Respect isn’t a pick and choose thing.

      • eyewideopen

        Hands clapping, exactly my point, but others don’t want to believe that. They want to critize those in trouble, assuming that they must have done something to deserve it.

        • JeffH

          What point? You’ve never made a valid point in your life.

          • Joe H.

            BEAUTIFUL SET UP WHETHER ON PURPOSE OR NOT!!!!!!!

          • eyewideopen

            Here’s a point JeffH. You don’t like me, so quit responding to my posts. You are just taking pot shots like a child would. The point was if someone has a job, don’t critize or judge them for what type of job it is. You are suffering from the John Birch syndrome of hating government, what do you think of career military? You know our military personel get paid pretty well, I guess that is also one of your complaints too? They are part of the government, but they are considered patriots, while the scientists are considered slugs right?
            How do you compartmentalize all those emotions? Strange.

          • Joe H.

            JeffH,
            I still liked the set up even if it wasn’t on purpose!!!!

  • ABinGA

    ABinGA says:
    March 5, 2010 at 11:03 pm
    I know this is off the subject but repeal NAFTA or tax the corporations sending jobs to other countries so it cost as much if not more to have their product made. It’s not only under this administration that we have lost jobs but this administration is preaching job creation. Go figure. You preach job creation but you still allow good paying jobs to be moved south of the border. Before you even think about it, I do not work for union shop and if I can help it I never will. The company I work for is based in the mid west and is union but opened a shop in the south due to the lower wages they could pay but for the south the wages are extremely good. Now they’ve decided to close our shop, put 600 out of work and move farther south due to cost savings. You got it. Mexico. The union guys in the Mid west better watch out because all options are on the table. They could be next. Union or not, we need to keep the manufacturing jobs here in the states. If not, it’ll be the ruin of the USA.

  • Al

    Bunning was right and he even sought to have unspent stimulus money re-allocated for this purpose but Democrats and probably some RINOs would not support his sollution.

  • http://charter howe

    The hypocrisy of the Democrats is almost beyond criminal when it comes to denigrating anyone who doesn’t want to tax and spend our country into destruction. Dem Senator Stabenow was a good example of slamming opposition to the Health Care bill when she said 45,000 people were dying each year because the Republicans were trying to block the health care reform, even though it did not take effect till 2014 even if it passed. A simple legislative bill was proposed by Rep Senator Coburn which would have passed with a majority vote to provide subsidies for poor people right away, who could not afford health care. Dem Senator Waxman and his committee voted down 22 Republican amendments to streamline indigent care to make it easy and affordable without taking over the health care industry, I actually watched most of that on C-SPAN. The majority of the people who benefit from the never ending unemployment are worker in unions which have heavily contributed to the democrats in money and votes. Aside from the unions, how can it be right to continue unemployment benefits for 99 weeks or more like is happpening now. These folks need to move or take lower paying jobs after six months to stop leaching off the taxpayers. The country is broke and everytime we pass a spending bill, more tax has to be on the way since China now owns us and we will soon have trouble trying to pay just the interest on the debt the country now has. Stopping the spending for anything that is not critical and I mean critical is not unAmerican or a bad thing. Why should we allow these fools who don’t want to work at Long John Silvers for a few months destroy any chance our children may have for a chance at a decent life. The manufacturing jobs are leaving the country because we are increasing the size of govt instead of funding private business, so the jobs will continue to go away. The Obama, Pelosi, Reid agenda has already killed the American dream for at least 20 more years even if they can be kicked to the curb right now. Do we need to follow the lead of the dinosaurs toward extinction. Please think this through, your future and your childrens future hangs in the balance. If there is one thing I learned in 29 years in the military, it is that Freedom is not Free. My objective will be to put out the trash on 2 nov 2010 and again in 2012, please join me.

  • http://damnghidamlam.com/members/AlabamaRadioStations48.aspx Hartley

    Eyes,

    Thanks. That was a helpful article. It did answer some questions for me. However, I guess I’m also reminded that the formula for SGR (Sustainable Growth Rate) is a rather arbitrary way for government regulators to set prices for health care. Even though it incorporates some good features (variables) in the formula, it’s just a “one size fits all solution” to the problem of keeping prices under control. It would make a good tool for estimating health care costs, but not a good tool, in my opinion, for controlling health care cost.

    This approach will, no doubt, cause problems that will result in some unnecessary shortages of health care providers in some areas and some specialties. I’m confident that this could be avoided if this program was left to individuals to buy and pay for their own health care working within the private sector. In the end, I feel confident that the market should be able to manage health care at a lower cost than a government-run system, like Medicare.

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