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U.N. Moves Quickly On Gun Grab

November 9, 2012 by  

U.N. Moves Quickly On Gun Grab

The lights weren’t even turned off at the Barack Obama re-election celebration before the United Nations began plotting its gun grab again — with U.S. blessings.

The U.N. General Assembly’s disarmament committee approved a resolution calling for a new round of talks in March. The vote came less than 24 hours after Obama secured re-election.

The committee uses high-sounding, feel-good language to make it sound like the U.N.’s goal is to end illicit arms trafficking. But the Programme of Action calls for a centralized registration  system to track all small arms purchases and burdens manufacturers with the responsibility of using micro-stamping and other onerous identification procedures that will drive up the cost of weapons and ammunition.

According to the U.N. Office for Disarmament Affairs, the agency’s goals are to remove weapons from “Insurgents, armed gang members, pirates, terrorists.” But the recent passage of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) and missives released by the Department of Homeland Security so broadens the definition of terrorist that it’s come to include anyone the regime decides it applies to.

The gun grab has begun and the next four years will see the 2nd Amendment under assault in a way that’s unprecedented in America’s history.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Karolyn

    Why can’t something just be what it says it is?

    • TIME

      Oh Dear Karolyn,

      Please do tell us all ~ just what is ~ it?

      We all await your pearls of wisdom ~ with Baited Breath.

      Peace and Love.

      • Bart

        Don’t you think she is referring to the hidden agenda in the treaty talk?

      • Cliffystones

        What’s the matter with you, Time? Don’t you know” Just as these UN fools pass their law all of those “Insurgents, armed gang members, pirates, terrorists.” and so forth are going to line up outside City Hall, the local police station, the UN building, etc. The’ll just have to give up all of their guns. I mean, they wouldn’t want to be violating the new gun law, would they?

        Sarcasm off………

        • Tony Newbill

          Cliffy the “Insurgents, armed gang members, pirates, terrorists.” and so forth are going to line up outside City Hall, the local police station, the UN building to pick up all that ammo the Government agencies been ordering these last few Months to use against us who won’t give up our weapons , the DNA of the Government using these guys as their squad is evident in their use of Radicals in the Middle east to Over throw those Governments … HA HA HA its going to be a battle man !!!!

      • Karolyn

        TIME – Many call me a hypocrit, but you so obviously talk out of both sides of your mouth. On one side you bait and denigrate people and on the other side you wish them “peace and love.” However, no matter how hypocritical you are, I have to say that I appreciate some of your input and have learned from you. Contrary to your way, I try to hear what different “sides” are saying before coming to my own decisions.

      • DaveH

        You mean you don’t always listen to your Magic Mirror?

      • TIME

        Oh Dear Karolyn,

        I am far from ” Incon sistent.” ~ { I am Abundantly CLEAR ~ how I feel about ~ the “OVER ~ INTRUSIVE” ~ Criminal De Facto City state of the District Of Columbia.}

        I never will wavior on this topic for any reason.

        Thus Nothing is simple, nor is anything that stems from that hive of Criminals Clear Cut, nor do their words hold value within the scope of TRUTH, Yes, indeed they have a NANO amount of Truth set within the vast text they blow out at you, that I will grant you, ~ but then again, if one has no clue what that NANO bit may be, then it slides right past the UNINFORMED Mass’s.

        Thus ~ the “TRUE ~ VALUE” of words is the ~ game, thus understaning these word values is mega important. Also one has to understand the Mystery Schools for what they really are, Thats the only way one will ever be able to see the game plan under the LIGHT of its TRUE ROOTS.
        Thus its the one and only way to understand not only the TRUE VALUE of the words used to control as well manipulate Humans , but to also understand the END GAME these Vampires are waging on HUMAN KIND as a whole. They CHANGE YOU, as well your thinking patterns, rather than allowing YOU the Freedom you were granted by YAH.

        Do I like the idea of hurting people, ~ NO!
        Do I think others should Infringe on your rights, or anyone elses rights for any reason at all? NO!
        Will I hold Peace and Love in High esteem? YES!
        Will I allow any Criminal to control me or you with out exposing them to the light of TRUTH? NO!

        You do the digging and you will find that you can not disprove that ~ ALL US Military Schools and traing follow a manual about “DIS- ARMING” ~ the American people, for the Criminal’s who hide behind our Childrens bodys that are being used as Human shields to enforce these Criminal’s FAKE LAWS ~ who have also stolen the Wealth of this nation, from under the very nose’s of the People on the land.

        Would anyone who believes in “FREEDOM” give in to a criminal no matter who they are? If so, they are not much of a person who believes in FREEDOM ~ Now are they?

        If you learn anything from me ~ the only thing I would hope you learn is that: The Christ was sent to us ~ to unflod a NEW ~ way of thinking, a way to aid Humans in finding a path to the PURE LIGHT of LOVE,
        BUT ~ At no point in TIME did the Christ want FREE HUMANS to allow EVIL to grow on the land nor within their hearts nor SOULS

        So its rather ~ Strange how Humans have done their damm best to go backwards on mass and as fast as they can.
        Whats even more so odd is thats called {“PROGRESSIVE” } in their bent minds, to enslave others for their own personal gain is not being Progressive, thats called “REGRESSIVE.”

        Been there and done that, for thousands of years.

        Peace and Love.

    • eddie47d

      Because their trade mark of fear and smear would then be diluted Karolyn. They couldn’t function if the issue was discussed on its own merits instead of these possibly false implications.If they can continually keep the issues conflicted it improves ratings. Even you and I come back to see what the next line of bull is and I just keep questioning over and over. Some do bite into the whole apple and accept everything said with gleeful anticipation.

      • DaveH

        Eddie, you rarely discuss anything on its own merits. Unless by “merits” you mean whatever conjecture you can pull out of your favorite storage place.

      • eddie47d

        Your reply has no merit so I reckon that makes you merit-less!

      • DaveH

        Polly want a Cracker?

    • DaveH

      Shortly after the first earnest Progressive took office (Teddy Roosevelt) the Federal Government started looking for ways to spread its wings. There was the FDA and the anti-trust laws starting with Teddy, but still there were Constitutional constraints that shackled the Federal Government from growing too much. Those constraints were done away with in one fell swoop under Woodrow Wilson with the 16th & 17th Amendments and the creation of the Federal Reserve to finance Big Government growth. The rest is history. The Central Government has grown out of all proportion to the size which our Founders envisioned to be safe for our Liberty.
      That is what Central Governments do — Grow. And being further removed from the voters than the Local Governments, it’s much easier for them to get away with feathering their own nests. Now, take the UN. It’s an Un-elected body of Leaders which was established By the Leaders For the Leaders. The citizens have no vote in the matter. So not only are they far removed from the Voter’s will (so much for the “Democracy” that Progressives are always touting), but we don’t even get a Vote in the matter. Why would they possibly be concerned with what WE want?
      The UN is the Biggest Threat to our Sovereignty that has ever existed. The threat of the Federal Government pales in comparison.
      Get us OUT of the UN!
      Here are Ten More Reasons to get us OUT of the UN (note that I don’t necessarily endorse all of them):

    • Tony Newbill

      oh its going to be a Bloody war good luck and keep your canned foods stash up because as this gets going it will interrupt the flow of food !!!!!

    • Gordon in Texas

      Are you serious? I find it difficult to believe that anyone who is paying attention to world affairs and politics, in general, would even ask that question.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      What exactly do you mean with your stupid question?

      • Karolyn

        Are you so complicated you can’t understand simple? Terrible way to be. Finding hidden meaning in everything. Fearing whatever the government says. Constantly finding what might be wrong in even the simplest edict. Taking everything apart to find the minutest aspect that might be considered “unamerican.” Living with constant mistrust. Distrusting fellow earth dwellers in general. Cynicism and pessimism are a terrible waste.

        • Tony Newbill

          I owe I owe so its Off to work for Obama I go , ho ho ho ho we voted for O , I owe I owe !!

        • Tony Newbill

          we have a New Vacation Destination and once you engage the higher level of reasoning you will not care that you are being disarmed , and that location under neath the Denver Airport that has terminals for the terminations of the vacationers will be a 4 Star stay that you will make your permanent location and you won’t care… , Marijuana tourism looms large after election results Marijuana tourism looms large after election results

      • DaveH
      • Mikey

        Here’s where most conservatives and liberals disagree the most: Can we trust our government to do what’s best for the most people? Liberals think they can be trusted, Conservatives do not.
        Looking at governments track record of being disconnected from the citizenry, and its incredible inefficiency, I find it hard to trust them with anything, especially when they are making deals with other countries, many of whom despise us.
        The scariest part is their new ability to label anyone a “terrorist”, even patriotic Americans who will stand up for the second amendment. Heck, I’m probably on their “watch” list for posting this.

      • Kate8

        Mikey – Me, too… but what does it matter? There is no place for the aware and freedom lovers in the “new world”.

        Notice not one Republican brought up any real issues with Obama. None of his treasonous actions were mentioned. Everyone, whether guv or the media, tiptoes around this guys’ lies and treachery, and the slumbering public yawns and says, “when do I get my check?”.

        The sad truth is that every position needed for the communist takeover of America is now filled, in all government locales, in the military, media, NGOs…everything. Soon we will lose the internet as a means of information, too.

        They keep us squabbling until we are hopelessly corralled, and then it’s too late. That time appears to be at our doorstep.

        Is there hope for us? That is the question of the times. I would say, not as long as we sit back waiting for someone to save us. Perhaps the most we can hope for is that we can purchase a future for our grandchildren with our own lives. What these monsters have planned for us is too horrific to contemplate.

    • Bill

      Think of it like this Karolyn, If you were living in an area like the one that was hit by the recent storm, and you had no food, water, power or police protection, would you want to have the right to own a firearm to protect yourself from the bands of roaming looters that wanted to take anything you own?

      That’s what happened in many neighborhoods hit by Sandy. And some other disaster could hit your neighborhood and you could be faced with the same situation

      • stopspending

        Karolyn, after the gov response to Benghazi, the resulting cover up and the media treatment of the whole affair, I do not trust this admin nor the media who is supposed to provide information. Now, we find out Iran shot at our drone right before the election but the admin also kept that “classified” until after the election. Obama told Putin he would have more “flexibility” after the election. Why in the world should anyone trust the garbage that the admin is putting out to the people? I think they have clearly shown they can not be trusted.

      • TIME

        Dear Bill,

        A point I would like to add to your post is that. {The South East States } sent crews of Line Men as well as Construction, plus others who were willing to give aid to the states that have been effected by the storm.
        The numbers ~vary ~ but the average count is around 1500 plus workers and their trucks and such.

        (( Yet The State of NY, NJ, and PA, sent them packing back home,)) ~~~ Why you ask?

        They were not “UNION.”

        As in the Union workers are getting tripple TIME pay for this work, and they sure can’t have {non union} people who are helping at “NO COST” as it makes the Union people look like the ~ SLUDGE ~ they really are.

        Let alone the power would have been up and running 100000000 X faster, ** just for the record, many are still without power, gas and in some case’s FOOD and they will be for at least 8 – 15 more days.

        Oh and lets not forget that special gang of criminals noted as “FEMA” You know the brain trust they are, Well placed their help lines on the Internet, > wow that works out for people with “NO ELECTRIC power.”
        Plus the FEMA’S centers they did set up were only open for a few days then closed due to “BAD WEATHER”

        HELLO is anyone out there?

        Peace and Love be with you.

      • JeffH

        TIME, exactly right. I did hear something about that on my local AM station and I believe I heard it from Hannity while passing thru FOX. Other than that, the rest of the MSM is still gloating over O’mans victory and reviling everthing else.

    • TML

      Livingston says, “But the Programme of Action calls for a centralized registration system to track all small arms purchases”

      Livingston says, “Insurgents, armed gang members, pirates, terrorists.”

      Karolyn says, “Why can’t something just be what it says it is?”

      That’s exactly the problem. What it exactly say is up to interpretation without clearly defining what constitutes “insurgents”, “pirates”, “terrorists”, or armed “gang members”… and as the wording of the NDAA reads, “associated forces”. As I’ve mention before, one man’s terrorist is another man’s patriot. Using such vague wording and elastic meanings, even the gun-toting, law-abiding, American home owner could be labeled a terrorist or insurgent if desired.

      Add to that the historical facts that any country that has ultimately banned firearms all together started with centralized registration (a means of identifying and collection if so decided)… and being imposed by a foreign body… is a very dangerous threat for the second amendment rights of a free people.

      “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” – Thomas Jefferson

      “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it may not be needed until they try to take it” – Thomas Jefferson

      There is no doubt that if such a situation was ever truly called for, your government today would label its own citizens, even such a Jefferson, a “terrorist”.

      • Vicki

        The government of the time certainly had nothing nice to say about the founding fathers.

    • Kansas Bright

      You need to read it to know what it actually says.
      Some background for you: Obama, Panetta, and Gen Dempsey “gave” the USA to the UN to be ruled by it, pay taxes to it, etc. They said (in front of the senate, in a letter to Boehner, in videos) that they do NOT represent the USA, but represent the UN. That they gave “authority” over the US Military to the UN.

      Of course all of this is treason and illegal. But most people do not even realize it.

      • Kate8

        Kansas – Yes, I do recall seeing that video clip of them saying just that.

        The thing is, how do they give away something that is not theirs to give? Who among us gave our consent?

        The question is whether we are going to accept it, go along with it, or…

  • Lawrence Fischer

    It would be illegal per our Constitution for the UN or any other foreign entity to refute the Second Ammendment. This also applies to Mr. Obama, Ms. Clinton, etc. On that basis, all American citizens have the right to bear arms and not have that right taken away.

    • Sailor

      Yes indeed Lawrence Fischer….if they are willing to take a “Metal Jacket” that would be very easy…after all…they are in NYC…

    • eddie47d

      The Second Amendment should never be usurped for it is needed for a variety of reasons. The right to protect one self or family from someone intruding on their life. Plain and simple. Beyond that I want each and every gun owner to be responsible for any ownership of all weapons in their possession. Considering that 266,000 guns are stolen each year a few of them are dropping the ball. There are also a few gun dealers who should be put out of business for not following the law. (wrongful sales). The good news is that most gun owners and dealers do follow the law and should be rewarded not harassed by government officials (or the UN if that is the case).

      • DaveH

        Leave it to Eddie to put the blame on the gun owner for the crime of a thief.

      • eddie47d

        Leave it to Dave H to misconstrue everything I say. For such a smart man you sure are ignorant.

      • DaveH

        How does one “misconstrue” this, Troll?
        Eddie says — “I want each and every gun owner to be responsible for any ownership of all weapons in their possession. Considering that 266,000 guns are stolen each year a few of them are dropping the ball”.

      • eddie47d

        Maybe you are the troll since that is factual.

      • phideaux

        How qabout you are the troll eddie for you have posted the numbers twice and have provided NO source for them.

      • DaveH

        Are you lying, or are you just hopelessly ignorant?

      • Bill

        Who cares what you want.

      • rmgdnnow

        SO….If some dirtbag steals my car and crashes it into another car full of kids, I should be held responsible?? One does not HAVE to have a car. There are buses,etc. If some lunatic steals my butcher knife, and kills some women, is it my fault for having a butcher knife?? Not everyone has, or needs, a butcher knife, right???

    • Eddie G.

      Hillary Clinton was in no position to sign on with a UN treaty to disarm the people. It’s not her job,never was and she should’ve been called up on the carpet for it. The Constitution and it’s amendments are the law of the land whether Hillary or Obama likes it or not. For the past 4 years the spineless congress has allowed Obama to usurp the constitution to the point of treason,an impeachable offense. We must blast the useless congress incessantly ’til their ears go deaf to leave our guns alone and get the U.N. out of the USA,we don’t need them. Send ‘em home. We’ve another way. Obama has been an object of controversy from day one as having never been vetted to be a legit POTUS. He’s been re-elected so before he gets the keys to the White House, it’s time to appoint an independent council led by Sheriff Joe to settle once and for all if Obama is legit or a fraud. My money says he’s a fraud.

      • Michael Hennessy

        Eddy its been done and done and done again. Obama was vetted before he became president the first time. His birth certificate is real and it has been REPEATEDLY checked by many Conservative, liberation and Christian led groups as well as the FBI. Dont you think Romney and his Mormon backing would have used that remove Obama from office if they could? Bottom Line – they could not because it is a REAL Hawaiian birth certificate. Thats because Obama was really born in Hawaii. Please take off the distortion googles. Give up this rant. You are wrong. Get over it.

        Barack Obama, 44th President of the United States of America by Popular Vote.

      • eddie47d

        Eddie G go watch your favorite movie: the anti-Obama film 2016 . It even says (more than once) that Obama was born in Hawaii. Maybe you should go thump the Trump who used political theatrics to spread false information.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      What happens to the Second Amendment if the Senate ratifies this treay?

      • Capitalist at Birth

        And who will be able to afford to purchase the weapons and ammunition. This is not much different from what Hitler and Lenin/Stalin did earlier in the last century, me thinks.

      • Steve E

        I would die before I give up my Second Amendment.

        • Mike

          Treaties do not trump Constitutional Amendments guys. Mike S above is correct that you’d need 2/3rds vote in both houses, the 38 state senates and the prez’s signature. There is NO way that would happen with at Republican majority in the House of Representatives. Honestly in your lifetime haow many amendments to the constitution have even made it through let alone one repealing something as fundamental as the 2nd Amendment. I’m not saying don’t be vigilant. Just that it would take a freaking act of God to repeal the 2nd.

      • DaveH

        One would have thought Obamacare was a slam-dunk to be declared UnConstitutional also.
        We can’t expect one of the gang (Supreme Court) to turn on the rest of their gang. Only the people can change that and a large portion of them are obviously brain-dead. Witness the reelection of Obama.

    • RP

      I agree with you, but their thoughts are that a treaty made with the UN will over rule Constitutional law. They think international laws and treaties are supreme to our own laws.

    • DaveH

      The problem, Lawrence, is that the Federal Government has not been in Compliance with the Constitution since almost the beginning of our Country. They will grab whatever Power we don’t stop them from grabbing.

    • DaveH

      This is perhaps the most apt statement about Government that I’ve ever read:
      “To say governments were formed to protect the rights of men would be historically incorrect. Almost all governments were formed by ruthless men exerting their will over others through the use of force”.
      Everybody should read this:

  • tgsherman


  • http://yahoo bob peters

    come get them U.N.!! Patriot Americans will view your presence on
    american soil as an act of war..

    • Gordon in Texas

      Amen. Any foreign troops on US soil should be seen as hostile; even if they were invited by a treasonous president. LAL

      • RockingChair Sage

        Gordon, it is not the UN personnel we need to worry about. I downloaded the entire text of ObamaCare. It truly sets up a standing DOMESTIC army that will report only to the president. The originators used out out of sync numbering system to hide it from casual searchers. Pelosi (who famously said the law would have to pass before we could read it) provided for all funding as part of the law. A complete end run around congress’ right to be in charge of funding. Had that not happened, congress could have rendered it moot by de-funding it.
        Jimmy Hoffa, Jr. stood by O’s side and declared that the unions are O’s army. At least they would likely be the nucleus. Richard Trumpka, head of AFL-CIO (Google him for violent past) sat by Michelle during State of the Union speech and accompanied Bill Clinton while he was campaigning for O. Roosevelt said we have nothing to fear but fear itself. Well, times have changed. We now need to fear our government.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Right on!!! I did not own a fire arm until November 8th 2008. I now own three and will be buying two more and getting my ammunition stockpile up to 10,000 rounds. This may not be enough, but it is a start.

  • Chester

    Will repeat this once more, no matter what agreement the UN reaches, and our secretary of state signs off on, it still takes a two thirds vote of the senate before it can begin to be applied inside the US. Personally, I can’t see two thirds of the senate agreeing on what day of the week it is, let alone on allowing such a thing to become the law of the land.

    • Sailor

      My dear Chester; I place no faith in the hands of this Senate…they are all sold out to the ways of the Illuminati

    • eddie47d

      That may be true Sailor and Congress does have a dismal record of getting anything done. Yet We the American people did vote them in.

      • DaveH

        For them Not to get anything done, is a Good thing.

      • eddie47d

        Still mocking me “dave h”. Then you will be an accomplice for Congress And and they will “do nothing” and allow all the huge tax increases to automatically be approved come the end of December.

      • DaveH

        You’re equivocating, Eddie, as is usual for a Troll.

      • eddie47d

        I’ll leave that to you today Dave.

    • DaveH

      The first thing you need to realize is that almost all Politicians want to keep their Power and Perks. Yes, they have to keep an eye on the voters in their rear-view mirror, but their primary impulse is to Feather their Own Nests.
      So we must keep constant vigilance on them to assure they don’t impulsively put themselves first over the rest of us. And putting themselves first is a lot easier if the citizens are unarmed.
      If your Senator isn’t rated “A” on this list, you need to start hounding them Now before they pull a fast one on us:

      • DaveH

        The above listing was for 2012 candidates. Here is a listing for the current Senators:

      • DaveH

        We have a new “A” rated Senator here in Arizona now (Jeff Flake), but unfortunately he replaced Jon Kyl who was rated “A-”. We have to wait four more years to get rid of John McCain who is ranked “C-” on Gun Rights.

      • DaveH

        More news on the UN treaty from Gunowners of America:

      • DaveH

        Here is a list of US Senators who have signed the Moran letter, pledging not to sign the UN Gun Treaty:

        Note that 3 of the Senators who signed the Pledge have been replaced in the 2012 elections.
        They are Jon Kyl of Arizona, Olympia Snowe of Maine, and Jim Webb of Virginia.

      • DaveH

        Here’s another good Pro-Gun organization:

    • Mai

      The problem is they really do not have to amend the Constitution – all they have to do is ignore it

      • Kim

        I have no idea what Mai might be talking about. I am fully aware of what the Constitution requires.

      • DaveH

        Exactly, Mai. As they have done for the last 100+ years.

  • Sailor

    And besides…that gun in the photo is way too small by comparison as to what the American people who know how to use them have…..

  • DaveH

    Bob says — “According to the U.N. Office for Disarmament Affairs, the agency’s goals are to remove weapons from “Insurgents, armed gang members, pirates, terrorists.””.
    But who removes those weapons from the “Terrorists” in our own Government?

    • dan

      arrrrgh….pirates too ? Hoist the Jolly Rodger,mates….molon labe.
      I celebrated yesterday by buying more stock in Sturm /Ruger

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Great point Dave H.

  • JC

    All those in favor of gun control, raise your right arm…straight out at a 45 degree angle,
    Now, march in unison with the stiff legged flat footed motion known as the Goose Step…and in Unison begin chanting…Yes We Can, Yes We can…
    (And please…point yourselves at a cliff)

    • Florence

      JC, your comment is the best! : )

  • Marc

    It will take the unification of this country to protect our 2nd amendment. We wil not allow anyone, domestic or foreign, take our rights to defend ourselves,property,and to put food on the table! GUNS DON’T KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE

  • CMCooper

    The UN is not alone in this. American gun owners also have domestic enemies, like Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California.

  • Gordon in Texas

    Terrorists have been redefined by the past two administrations to mean anyone who is not on board with the current administraiton’s agenda. That can mean anyoneone. And, to King George, an insurgent was anyone in the new world who fought against his forces. The definition of a patriot and an insurgent only differs to those who are speaking at the time. The Minutemen of the American Revolution are now known as patriots. To King George, they were insurgents. Guess which side the UN and obama are on?

    • DaveH

      Yep. Once you realize that the Government is just the Biggest Gang in the land, everything they do becomes much clearer.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Last two? It goes much further back than that. Started with A, Lincoln.

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  • Capitalist at Birth

    The only hope and prayer we have is that this treaty will die in the Senate. whether you believe in a supreme being or not, I would either pray or write letters to your Senators.

    • DaveH

      Gun Owners of America has an excellent tool making it easy for people to find out who their representatives are and contact them:

      • Kate8

        I hate to mention this, but Congress has become, essentially, ceremonial. As in irrelevant.

        Do you not think that Obama, now that he no longer has to continue campaigning (as he has for the past 4 years), will have any qualms about simply issuing another EO?

        Before you say it’s unlawful, remember that he has not felt hindered by the Constitution. I mean, why should he? He’s a foreign agent.

        He WILL issue an EO banning guns. Congress is too slow, and it gets on his nerves, anyway. And he’s got more “flexibility” now that he’s stolen the election.

      • DaveH

        No doubt that he would do that, Kate, but such a blatantly unlawful act would wake up a lot of comatose citizens to the reality of an out-of-control Big Government. It might be the best thing he ever did for us.

  • rhcrest

    Any attempts at gun grabs will be the spark of Civil War II. I am ready to fight. Bring it on.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      We will need members of the Military and National Guard to join us. I hope that at least half of them would.

      • david spitler

        as a military vet. myself I am standing guard to help defend the freedoms granted to us by God and yet men and women [politics] keep doing what they can to steal these freedoms away from us but this I am afraid is only the beginning

    • Mikey

      Wow, that would be a rough one! Where would the lines be drawn? Our society is infused with government-supporting gun-grabbers and marxists. How would we separate friend from foe?

      • JDN

        Just look at the last electoral map . New England and the great lakes states and the west coast , but primarily their cities , the rural areas voted Republican .

      • DaveH

        One big downfall for the Confederacy was that they fought honorably, unwilling to put innocent civilians in harms way, while the North ignored the rules of war and killed innocent civilians.
        I’m afraid the next civil war might be a repeat of that.

  • northbrook

    Anyone (senator) voting to approve this outrageous treaty should be voted from office. We do not need the UN involved in strictly US affairs. This is a second amendment right and citizens should reject any interference by the UN/

    • momo

      Before November 6, 2012 I would have agreed with you, I’m not sure anymore.

  • sharon

    It’s a sad day for all of us. But the Bible dosen’t lie and we are going to reap what we sown. The Bible said when the peoples allowed bad leaders to rule, the people will mourn well get ready we haven’t see any thing yet the things coming are going to get back. May GOD take pity on the U.S.A. and show us mercy. May GOD BLESS YOIU ALL.

  • joser

    this is just the beginning

    How many Supreme Court justices do you think will retire in the next 4 years???
    Who do you think will appoint them?????
    Where do you think they will stand on Second Amendment rights?????

    Obama is famous for his end around runs to get what he wants.. As far as heis concerned WE THE PEOPLE are the disidents –We The Sheeple are the good guys.

    Remember how they disarmed the law abiding PEOPLE in New Orleans after Katrina.

    • DaveH

      It is a fact, Joser, that the Supreme Court rarely overrides Federal Government laws, no matter how blatantly UnConstitutional they are. For example, the recent Obamcare decision.
      They are, you know, a branch of the Federal Government. It’s like expecting the Fox to Guard the Hen House. Our Founders never meant for the Supreme Court to be the Final Arbiter of Constitutionality. They just took that right in the early 1800s.

  • crice

    People wake up!! We need to send the UN packing and out of our nation! This is the United State of American! Not the United States of the United Nations. Write your congress and let them know of your outrage in putting any laws from the United Nations into play in America. The UN is ran by terriorist and those who hate America and would like nothing more than to put laws into place to control the people of this great nation. One world government? NO!!!!!!!!! Some one said pray or write your congress. I say do both.

    • Florence

      Crice, I agree with all that you have stated.

  • Rob

    Perhaps my agenda is old news but as my favorite poster say’s “You can have my guns when you pry them from my cold dead fingers” I also have been buying alot since before this joke of an election began

  • 4204life

    All the time and energy spent playing into the political farce is pointless. Simply put, we have UNALIENABLE rights, regardless what any governing body says. Better use of fiat currency, would include forming a financial counter system based on honest banking practices. The U.N. is based in the U.S. and therefore it is impracticle to expect that our nation would willingly relinquish control. The machinations of globalism are always expanding and they plan on winning by consent or conquest.

    • DaveH

      The UN was created by the United States (under FDR). To think that the US Leaders are just innocent pawns is a very big mistake. The Leaders and their Crony Capitalists are chomping at the bit to take us to One-World Government where they will be much safer from removal.

  • Mike

    I’m with you on not wanting to lose my gun rights but I remember everybody freaking out when O was elected the first time and all that did was drive up the price of AR’s and ammo. Nobody came to my door asking for my guns (which would be a mistake), no gun I wanted to buy was restricted from me. I’m just not sure Obama cares all that much about legal gun ownership. He didn’t campaign on it and nothing happened to me at least in his first 4 years. And by the way I wouldn’t worry too much about the UN. They are a nutless/powerless group whose biggest challenge is figuring out who’s in charge.

    • Mikey
      • DaveH

        Thanks, Mikey.

      • Mike

        House Bill 1116 Introduced legislation to ban vasectomies. Lot’s of stupid things get introduced to congress that have no chance of passing. The video you posted isn’t that convincing to me. First, what gets introduced as a bill to congress often has little to do with the prez, bills are introduced by legislators. Second, most of the voting record stuff in the video refers to O’s Illinois state senate voting record. IL is one of the least gun friendly states in the US if not the Universe and it’s considered PC to vote against guns there (follow the CC law losing battle over the last 10 years for confirmation on that). Like I said, we went though this before and all that happened was I had to pay a lot more for ammo. If O or someone else tries to introduce legislation that has a chance of passing (remember the Republicans still hold the House) then I’ll call my congressman but nobody elected O king and he can’t pass legislation on his own. As long as there is a Republican majority in the House of Representatives I see ZERO chance of any significant anti gun legislature passing.

      • DaveH

        That’s some mighty fine rationalization, Mike.

      • Mike

        Not sure what you mean Dave?

      • Mikey

        Obama thinks he is king. Look at how many executive orders he has used to do an “end around” congress. Do you not think he will do the same when it comes to gun control?

        • Kansas Bright

          Bare with me please. Some education:
          Executive legislation is the use of the presidential office to pass law. Much the same as a king would do when he announces a proclamation. WE are not a monacrhy, nor are we a Dictatorship (completely anyway).

          According to our constitution Congress is the ONLY government body that has legislative power. Article one states, “All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress…”

          Notice the word “All”.. There is no room for interpretation. It does not mean most legislation and it does not mean all legislation except when aPresident decides to pass some, it means ALL.

          Black’s Law Dictionary, 7th Edition; Legislation: “1. The process of making or enacting a positive law in written form, according to some type of formal procedure, by a branch of government constituted to perform this process.”

          If Congress is the only branch of government “constituted to perform this process,” then the executive branch is prohibited from do so.

          Since the US Constitution,.like Murder, has no time limit that says illegal unconstitutional activities will become legal after 50, 100, 150 years of being ignored.

          Much like a town that has one crossroad, and about 10 cars on it a week – jaywalking is ignored. When the town grows and there are 10 cars per minute it is time to enforce that law for the wellbeing of both the people walking and the people driving. The law was always there, but not enforced. But when it became a danger to ignore the law to the people, that laws was enforced.

          Simplistic, but I think it makes my point. Executive orders have NEVER been legal in the USA. Unfortunately, enforcing them makes criminals out of the enforcers – much like what happened in Germany.

      • Mikey

        Good analogy, Kansas.

  • Henry David

    How will the goverment successed in taking the guns from us? Cause a depression and cause the people to fight each other, Those who have food will fight, those who do not, will not fight. GOTA EAT. That just cut 95% of the population out of the picture. Then to control the outburst that’s still fighting, the’ll send in the UN, M L will be enacted, rounding the people up from road blocks and placing them in FEMA camps. We won’t have time to organize an army let a lone grab our guns and load the damn things before your grabbed and hauled off. They can’t grab everyone and thats when we will see small groups fighting. Oh! don’t forget that we will then will be fighting countrys like China, Russia, etc that invade us about that same time. WOW what a mess we will have on our hands. It’s coming sooner than you think, right in your city and state. We Voted for the man back into office that will finish and destory our Country. Welcome to the New “United Socialist of America”!. Sad!

    • DaveH

      Romney wouldn’t have changed that equation.
      There is only one Political Party that embraces the kind of Freedom that Thomas Jefferson advocated, and that is the Libertarian Party:

  • Jimmy E

    Would we be having this discussion had all conservatives voted for Romney? I think not!!! You “libertarians” just couldn’t/wouldn’t understand the differences between O & R.Romney may not have been perfect but, he was a hell of a lot better than what we got!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • DaveH

      Actually it’s you sheeple Republicans who are the problem. Nothing much would have changed under Romney except maybe more lip-service about Freedom while he did the opposite.
      If the Republican sheeple would awaken, then the Libertarians, the only people who really understand the concept of Freedom, would have won. Yeah, I know, you’re in the majority — the majority of politically ignorant people.

    • Mikey

      Had the Republicans not chased Ron Paul out, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

  • tlgeer

    According to your link, this document was started in 2001, and we already have most of what they talked about in the document.

  • SJJolly

    Regardless of what U.N. committees may rule, without active US govenment support the U.N. couldn’t disarm so much as a New York City cab driver.

  • nw

    To CapitalistatBirth, I’m sure if the military and national guards were on our soil, that they would defend and fight for this country but I think our men will not be here, but in the Middle East fighting so the UN troops will have control when martial law is declared, able to kill the protesters without remorse or conscience. Just recently Russian soldiers were training in US, what’s that about?

    • DaveH

      That is a time-worn tactic for despotic Governments. They send their troops to areas of the country (in this case the world) where they have no emotional ties, so they will do their dirty work without remorse.

  • Mike Selvage

    I have heard that someone, somewhere, is going to take away my guns for the past 20 years – and nobody has ever tried to do such a thing. In fact it is easier today to purchase a firearem / Ammo than it was 20 years ago. Today you don’t even need to leave your home – just order and pay online and the Ammo comes to your door a few days later — or ‘overnight’ if you wish. Firearms seem to be different – they must be shipped from ‘FFL’ to ‘FFL’ and you pick it up at the local ‘FFL’ you specified. Not certain if this applies when purchasing directly from the manufacturer – like Smith and Wesson.

    I think a lot of people need to actually read the Constitution. To do away with the 2nd Amendment you would need an Amedment – and that is a long, lenghty process that not only invloves the Fed. Government but all the State Legislatures as well. In fact the President has little involvment in the process.


    So you actually believe that your going to get 2/3rds of the House and 2/3rd of the Senate and 38 State Legislatures to agree to this?

    I have owned guns for 40 years now and have never had to fire a single shot in “Self Defense” yet alone had to defend my home and my family from the Government. I know many people that own guns all sorts of guns and not one of them has had to fire a single shot defending themselves from any State government or the Federal Government.

    And I have seen no reference to ‘Obamacare’ creating any ‘standing army under control of the President’. Why would it do so when we already have a standing army that is already under the control of the President (also known as the ‘Commander in Chief of the armed forces’.

    • Mike

      Totally agree Mike S. The only thing that happens when people get whipped up over having their guns taken away is that we end up paying more for guns and ammo because people panic and start to hoard. The 2nd Amendment will never be repealed.

      • tlgeer

        “The 2nd Amendment will never be repealed.”

        In fact, the US Supreme Court ruled, 4 years ago, that the 2nd Amendment applied to citizens not just armed forces. Obama, the Constitutional Law professor, said that he would abide by it.

      • DaveH
    • Mai

      Mike, what you are saying about LEGALLY doing away with the 2nd amendment is true.

      However, in reality, all it would take is for the executive branch to declare a national emergency via executive order to start rounding up the guns.

      If the DOJ, which is the enforcement arm of the executive branch, goes along with it, it will happen. It was the people in the DOJ who was telling gun stores it was OK to sell guns illegally during ‘fast and furious’ because they were going to track them. In other words – the DOJ says it is OK for them to break the law if they see it in their best interest. And I would be willing to bet that the DOJ (and most local and state police forces) see disarming the public as something in their best interest.

      When the people go to court (the judicial branch) to get an injunction to stop it, all that is needed is for some liberal judge to agree that it is simply a temporary emergency measure which is not covered by the Constitutional clause – and there goes the guns. Remember New Orleans where police and military went house to house collecting guns during Katrina? Many never saw their guns again – even to this day. Where was the 2nd Amendment then – the same place it is now – on paper – but not enforced.

      There are many laws on the books that are never enforced and enforcement is the key here. We may retain the constitutional right to have guns on paper, but if the DOJ and the Judicial branch do nothing to stop it when the round up starts – no law passed by congress will prevent it.

      Their motto is divide and conquer.

      • Mike

        Mai that’s silly. NOPD could declare a state of martial law because there really was a state of emergency. Looting in the streets, theft, rape, murder. People went wild. How on earth could the Prez declare a state of emergency across the whole US? I think you are either not thinking this through or you think people in government are really stupid. Anybody with a brain in Govt would know that to declare a fake state of emergency in peaceful times just to collect guns would not only be met by force by the very well armed population but most people, knowing it’s not constitutional would refuse to enforce the state of emergency. You watch too much TV. On top of that, the Justice Dept, also very smart guys would undoubtedly move to prosecute the prez as would the congress move immediately to impeach. No offense but your assertion is silly.

      • Kate8

        Mai – I think you are correct. The only thing “silly” is the way this administration does things. A better word is “insane”, or how about WRONG.

        I don’t think Obama will even worry about first decaring martial law. He will simply ban guns, and order them confiscated. He may first declare our government under new rulership, however.

        It will be up to the people to stand by their 2nd Amendment rights, which are natural rights of self-defense and can not be taken away. But don’t lose sight of the fact that this government has usurped our system, and we are dealing with enemies of America here. If we aren’t extremely vigilant, they will impose their will on us by extreme force.

      • DaveH

        Exactly, Kate. Anybody who thinks the Leaders would honor our natural rights when they ignore those of foreign nations is smoking some mighty fine stuff.

      • david s

        please remember that many people today do not have the ability to think for themselves therefore these same people will give up anything just because they are told to do so

    • DaveH

      Mike says — “To do away with the 2nd Amendment you would need an Amedment”.
      No, all they need say is that an International Treaty overrides the 2nd Amendment. And the Sheeple would line right up.
      Can you show us where in the Constitution it says that it overrides any treaties?

      • Kansas Bright

        “No, all they need say is that an International Treaty overrides the 2nd Amendment.”

        No, that just makes it a declared attack on our nation by an international entity. No One temporarily occupying any position within the federal government, or state for that matter, has ever been given the power to do that.

        Look up “Treason”:
        Title 18 US code section 2381 – Treason: Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

        18 USC § 2382 – Misprision of treason
        Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both.

        18 USC § 2383 – Rebellion or insurrection
        Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

        18 USC § 2384 – Seditious conspiracy
        If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

        18 USC § 2385 – Advocating overthrow of Government
        Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
        Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
        Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
        Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
        If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
        As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.


      • DaveH

        Did I say that would be a legitimate excuse? The fact is that they can trample any law they want if the people let them get away with it.

  • http://personallibertydigest david

    no more constitution,no more that you liberals and welfare lovers reelectedthis guy not even the supreme court can help.not that they would any for the u.n one more step towards communisim… good luck for all of us who truly love this once great country.

    • Mike

      David you know you are on a gun lovers blog right? Not sure you’ll find a lot of far left liberals here.

      • Kate8

        Mike – Are you kidding? They are everywhere here. They plague us on a daily basis.

      • DaveH

        Yep. Flashman, Eddie47d, Robert Smith, Doc Sarvis, mark, Galt …. to name just a few of them. Liberal Progressives that is.

  • jennifer

    It is a shame that those of us who see the danger looming cannot grow up and get along. Things are about to get increasingly more difficult with out people like Dave H taking pot shots at anyone who writes something he doesn’t understand or agree with.

    People…take immediate steps at becoming self -reliant. This isn’t a dress rehearsal.

    • DaveH

      If you can’t stand the heat, Jennifer, get out of the kitchen.
      By the way, I would call your comment a definite Pot Shot at me. Hypocrite.

  • Mike

    No offense to those of you who are clearly knowledgeable about government, law and sovereignty but I was reading through a few of the posts above and there are a few whako’s on this post. Yikes.

  • Randy

    Check the “DICK ACT”. I think we have a great chance of overcoming this rogue government.

  • nancy

    lets outlaw drinking alcoholic beverages, people drink and drive and kill people, lets outlaw abortions, they kill babies, lets outlaw pornography, it causes people to be pedophiles and unfaithful in their marriages, lets keep all drugs (marijuana) outlawed, it desensitizes people and they commit all sorts of crimes, lets outlaw driving cars, people kill other people when they crash into them, lets out law the use of knives, people stab other people with them, lets outlaw flying in planes, people die when they crash, hmmmmmm lets just outlaw people, they kill other people….

  • Kim

    So many of your comments have nothing to do with the topic it makes reading through them rather meaningless.
    I have no guns, will have no guns. Find them unnecessary.
    There was a time right after my husband passed I was glad I didn’t have one. It was very late at night, I was supposed to be gone that weekend. My stepson still had a key to the house and his sister knew it. They used it. The noise woke me. They are very lucky to be alive.
    Guns are a possession. No more, no less. Unless and until they are used in some fashion; those that have them should always think more than once before ever using one.

    • Mike

      Kim please don’t take this personally but you are right to not have a gun. The first rule of gun safety is “be sure of your target.” People who would just blindly blam, blam at a shadowy figure coming into the house without thinking it through are one of the reasons that people want the guns of responsible owners taken away. Get a security system or something but please don’t get a gun. That said, responsible gun owners who have been properly trained would know better than to just shoot someone for walking in the door. Especially if they had a key.

    • DaveH

      Indeed, there are tragedies. But the same applies to automobiles. With anything dangerous comes responsibility.
      But I’d rather have a gun and not need it, then to not have a gun when I need it.

  • Jayson

    435,000 thousand people die each year in the United States from tobacco.

    Prescription drugs taken as directed kill 100,000 Americans a year.

    Alcohol abuse kills some 75,000 Americans each year and shortens the lives of these people by an average of 30 years, a U.S. government study suggested Thursday.

    37,000 Americans are killed each year via abortion.

    10,086 OF 14,831 people are killed each year in the united states with firearms.

    Is the United Nations aware of such information? If so, why would they even consider wasting their time proposing a ban on firearms; when clearly, firearms should be the least of their worries…? Of course, we all know the answer.

    • gunner689AI

      the answer is total gvt. control. an unarmed populace is no threat to wantabe dictators. Remember vets we took a solemn oath to uphold the Costitution against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic. That oath didn’t end our discharge. Blue helmets make great targets.

      • DaveH

        Good to see somebody who adheres to their Principles.

    • david s


  • http://none nick beck

    the targets wont be blue helmets but various state police,homeland sec, types and their ilk—i hope there are enough gunner al types and various citizens labeled as terrorists to heavily exercise their 2nd amendment rights WHILE WE STILL HAVE THEM. If we stand by and let the 2nd go the way of the dodo—-THEY WILL WIN AND THE NATION WILL DESERVE TO LOSE .

  • gunner689AI

    there is a reasonable chance that BO will appoint one or two Supreme Ct. Justices. Of course they will just be puppets to his decrees and will ignore the Constitution. The end is near, May God Bless America and her patriots who will die in the defense of Freedom in the upcoming years.

  • http://none ron

    The U. N. has learned well from our lying and deceitful politicians how to phrase legislation in innocuous terms knowing full well they are doing damage to the citizens of the United States.

  • FreedomFighter

    Armed slaves are dangerous, so, they the slave masters must take the guns.

    Makes me laugh out loud, Obama says his fist job will be to make new jobs…the first thing he does is go after guns…sign of true dictator.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi


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