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Tyranny Of The Majority

October 25, 2011 by  

Tyranny Of The Majority

As liberals go, I actually had a touch of like for Joltin’ Joe Biden in his Senate days. But since he got in bed with the Marxists in the Executive Branch, it’s become increasingly difficult to give him a pass. Even so, I feel compelled to cut Joe some slack by blaming his maniacal remarks on mitigating circumstances — the fact that he’s a bona fide idiot.

Thus, when the Delaware Dimwit said that paying taxes is the most patriotic thing an already overtaxed American citizen can do, it wasn’t out of malice. Truth be known, I don’t believe he has any idea why he says such things. As near as I can tell, he simply appears to be on progressive autopilot.

Now Biden wants to increase the national debt even more by insisting that Congress pass the latest mini-stimulus, warning that if it doesn’t, there won’t be enough police to prevent rapes and robberies. Hmm… how weird. Offhand, I can’t recall a single instance where a law enforcement officer prevented a rape or robbery… but, hey, there’s always a first time.

In any event, whether nonsensical statements like this are the result of stupidity, lack of knowledge or malevolence, be prepared for them to come at you in torrents over the next 12 months. With Republican Presidential candidates taking bites out of each others’ arms, imagine what it’s going to be like when the Democrats take aim at the Republicans’ soon-to-be-known compromise candidate, whoever that might be.

The question no Republican seems interested in asking is: What gives any elected official the authority to increase taxes on American citizens whenever he has an urge to hand money to selected groups of his choosing? The Constitution doesn’t say that it’s the duty of the American citizen to play the role of a docile cow waiting to be milked whenever politicians decide they need more money.

One of the Democrats’ favorite new talking points is that recent polls show that 80 percent of Americans favor a new tax on millionaires and billionaires. Gosh, really? I would never have thought the average person would favor taxing America’s wealthiest citizens. Duh… of course most people would like to see a tax on someone other than themselves. Why not, so long as the government doesn’t tax them?

But, guess what? The Founding Fathers set up the rules of the game in such a way as to specifically prevent America from becoming a tyranny-of-the-majority nation, which is why polling questions about increasing taxes are irrelevant. Every person on this Earth has unlimited desires, but those desires don’t give anyone claim to the assets of others.

Lest anyone forget, America is supposed to be a republic. And in a true republic, the fact that 80 percent of the population favors committing aggression against a minority — including the minority of people who are the most financially successful — should carry no weight when it comes to legislation.

The fact is that majority rule violates the rights of others if it forces them to go along with actions with which they do not agree. Progressives would like us to believe that majority rule is morally virtuous. The reality, however, is that majority rule is moral cannibalism, because it makes it possible for one group of people, simply by being in the majority, to do whatever it wishes to those in the minority. In fact, theoretically speaking, majority rule could validate literal cannibalism.

The basic premise of majority rule is that good is defined as “that which is best for the greatest number of people.” Such a premise, however, is so vague as to be meaningless. Every individual has a unique set of circumstances, unique needs and desires, unique personality traits, unique fears and unique ambitions.

And it is each person’s uniqueness that dictates which actions are best for him. That’s why progressive terms such as social justice and the common good are nothing more than red herrings.

The same moral logic holds true for corporations, since they are the property of individuals, often large numbers of individuals. But some folks in Lynchburg, Tenn., don’t see it that way. Charles Rogers, a 75-year-old retiree and self-described “concerned citizen” of Moore County, where distillery giant Jack Daniel’s is located, recently created a stir when he said: “We are entitled [my emphasis] to more money from the only industry in the county — Jack Daniel’s distillery.”

To which Tommy Beam, general manager of Jack Daniel’s, responded: “That’s not free enterprise, and that’s not what this country was built on. I saw a quote the other day that said that a person used to look at a successful person and say, ‘Now, what do I have to do to become like that?’ Whereas now they might look at him and say, ‘What can I do to get what they’ve got?’”

Well said. Nevertheless, the Moore County Council passed a measure asking the Tennessee Assembly for enabling legislation to put the question of a per-barrel tax on Jack Daniel’s whiskey on the ballot. That’s right, the entitlement crowd in Moore County is coming after its No. 1 benefactor, Jack Daniel’s, the company that put Lynchburg on the map over the past century.

It’s a classic case of tyranny of the majority. Forget the fact that Jack Daniel’s is by far the biggest employer in Moore County. Forget the fact that it’s a magnet that draws 250,000 tourists (who spend money!) each year to Lynchburg. Forget the fact that the company already pays 60 percent of the price of a bottle of whiskey in taxes.

Clearly, the class-warfare battle-cry in the hinterlands is pretty much the same as it is 900 miles to the more sophisticated northeast in the Occupy Wall Street protest: “I want more, so you have to give it to me.” Sounds rational to me.

Move over Greece, here we come.

Robert Ringer

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  • s c

    I can’t agree with the idea of a tyranny of the so-called majority, Robert. Now, if you say we have tyranny of the deaf, dumb and utterly programmed, then we’re on the same page. There are MORE conservatives and libertarians in America than there are utopian ultraliberals and their camp-follower, skunk buds.
    We just haven’t ‘had enough’ yet, as a group, to demand responsibility from those who refuse to listen or be responsible. As for oaths, I think you can forget that idea. If anybody thinks Oiamyourgod will ever honor his oath of office, don’t hold your breath.
    Washington criminals are telling us by their collective silence that the Constitution is DEAD. That should be more than enough for the rest of us to come together and realize it’s time for individual citizens and groups to do what it takes to give people like Dumbed-down Biden, the Anointed Reject, and all of their rump-smacking, sycophant bunkies to get their heads out of those clouds before they have to admit that being #%@^*-slapped into next year with a cast iron skillet (figuratvely and literaly) wasn’t what they expected.
    Why waste time with coffee and a light lunch approach? Treat the SOBs like they’re mutant sons and daughters of the Brits back in the 18th century. It’s them or us.

    • Vicki

      I remember when democracy was described (correctly) as 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. It was also called tyranny of the majority. My favorite comment on democracy actually comes from a movie “The Patriot”

      “Would you tell me please, Mr. Howard… why should I trade one tyrant 3,000 miles away for 3,000 tyrants one mile away?”

      Of course the Constitutional LIMITS on government were supposed to protect us but that does require our representatives to understand what they are protecting. Since they do not bother to read the bills how do we know they have read and understood the Constitution? And if they do not read the bills how can they represent us?

      Oh and another look at democracy.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

      • ernest

        they read the bills thats why their always trying to get around them, its a wonder Obama hasn’t tried to disband congress yet? maybe he has to work up to that.

        • Michael

          Why should Obama disband Congress? They do nothing to infringe on his reign and thus he is free to do as he pleases. When things do not go well, he has Congress to blame.

          • eddie47d

            An 8% approval rating doesn’t make Congress very credible.

          • DaveH

            We can disapprove all we want, Eddie, but it won’t do any good until we act on the disapproval and throw them out of office.

          • Fed up

            That’s not entirely true since all he’s been saying on his campain trail is that he can’t get his “Jobs Bill” passed because the congress is standing in the way of him making progress in creating jobs. The only jobs he wants to create is federal, public sector jobs for the unions. And he really just wants that money to seal the deal to his cronies with payback money for votes.

          • eddie47d

            Every candidate has scratched the backs of their supporters or the businesses who donate so it doesn’t make a lick of difference whether Democrat or Republican. Just saw a chart from the Federal Budget Office which shows over the last few years private sector and union jobs pay about the same. Some of you have been told that the separation in income is extreme when it is not.

          • JeffH

            eddie, what about the disparity in pay and benefits between the private sector and the “public sector unions”?

            due to government decisions being driven by politics and special interest pressures, we see stories like the one that appeared on the front page of the April 10 issue of USA Today.

            The article was titled “Benefits widen public, private workers’ pay gap.” It noted the following:

            • “The pay gap between government workers and lower-compensated private employees is growing as public employees enjoy sizable benefit growth even in a distressed economy, federal figures show. Public employees earned benefits worth an average of $13.38 an hour in December 2008, the latest available data, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) says. Private-sector workers got $7.98 an hour.”

            • “Overall, total compensation for state and local workers was $39.25 an hour — $11.90 more than in private business. In 2007, the gap in wages and benefits was $11.31.”

            • “A full-time government worker receives benefits worth an average of $27,830 per year. A private worker’s benefits are worth $16,598.”

            According to the most recent Employer Costs for Employee Compensation survey from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, as of December 2009, state and local government employees earned total compensation of $39.60 an hour, compared to $27.42 an hour for private industry workers-a difference of over 44 percent. This includes 35 percent higher wages and nearly 69 percent greater benefits.

            Private sector workers tend to be more productive than average government worker due to the lack of competitive forces in government. Private sector businesses face constant pressures of competition to innovate and improve their goods and services, lest they lose business to their competitors. Government agencies, by contrast, are typically monopolies protected by law, and thus are not subject to such competitive incentives and pressures.

            Even if we were to assume that the productivity of public and private sector workers is equal, or that differences in job security were not a factor, this would not speak to the necessity or sheer number of government employees, and thus to the overall cost or necessity of government programs. Unlike the private sector, where decisions on the number and compensation of employees are driven by supply and demand and economic realities, the size and cost of government employees is driven by the political process. Thus, government employees’ labor unions are constantly pressuring legislators (who are frequently indebted to the unions for campaign contributions and other help provided to get them elected) to increase workers’ wages and benefits, and legislators are always creating or expanding government programs that may or may not be needed or effective. These pressures are independent of economic constraints, and are limited only to the extent that taxpayers refuse to consent to additional borrowing or tax increases.
            http://reason.org/news/show/public-sector-private-sector-salary

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            If you saw a chart from the Federal Budget Office, why don’t you link to it so we can see it ourselves since you have no credibility?

          • eddie47d

            That is for you to find out Dave. I looked it up just like you look up your information. You have the name right in front of you so it should be easy.So your no credibility crap doesn’t wash.

          • eddie47d

            Jeff is correct in saying that government employees receive better benefits such as healthcare than some private jobs. We both should have compared apples to apples. Such as the Post Office vs UPS. UPS employees receives $4.00 an hour more than a Postal employee and their pension benefits are even better than the USPS. Health benefits are about the same. My friend is a Postal employee and his son works for UPS so he knows about each.

          • Vicki

            eddie47d says:
            “That is for you to find out Dave.”

            Typical Eddie. Typical liberal. Make up a fact. Claim it is real. Then tell people to go look it up themselves.

            At least conservatives like JeffH and DaveH have the courtesy to provide evidence of their claims.

        • Ellen

          Ernest, Obama goes around Congress to accomplish whatever he wishes. Ne needs to keep them though so he can blame them for whatever he wants to lie about on a given day. He refused to enforce Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell; the Defense of Marriage Act, immigration laws, etc., yet no one impeaches him. Anyone who still believes his lies must be dumb as a box of rocks. Unfortunately, his consituency is the uneducated and we have a large number of voters in that category.

          • Neftali Aparicio

            Well said Ellen. Nobody could haven said it better than you. In my opinion you are a well educated person. I just wish we could all get together and vote them out of government. All the bad seeds in government.

          • James

            Ellen, Well said. Obama also attacked Libya without congressional authority, I think that’s the biggest offense. I think the only congressman that spoke out against it was Rep. Dennis Kucinich, and maybe Rep. Ron Paul.

          • jyrine

            Alot of them are educated Ellen, but they’re educated by a system infiltrated and perverted by Communism.

      • patrick H.T. paine

        “To conquer, first divide!”

        Talk is cheap but for some it pays very well and many aspire to be paid for it. Good luck
        with that………since no democracies exist and that includes the good ole UNITED STATES,
        the word has no meaning…..yet for some strange reason, it seems to be the mainstay of
        politician’s and pundits. They seem to be proud of our DEMOCRACY and imposing it
        on everyone else.

        The problem with this constant BABBLE is that in between the rhetoric and sophistry,
        definition is lost and once this occurs actual understanding can be reduced to a “soundbite”,
        the search for a single slogan that has enough significant mass appeal to accomplish what
        it’s originator intends. In 1913, Webster’s Dictionary defined liberal as a “laissez faire”
        capitalist. Not to worry……..things change…..even for words you would THINK couldn’t
        be altered…….but consider the word DECIMATE……..a form of punishment used in the
        Roman Legion for cowardice in battle or mutiny, where every tenth man was executed.
        This word has over time become the equivilent of annihilate….and is used by people who
        should know better. ( including military commanders ) and the most recent actual example
        where it could have been said to apply, was a crash of a helicopter in Afganistan where 20
        something Seals died, and since the total Seal Force is around 300, this would be pretty
        close to a decimation. ( of the force )

        The big thing now is the so-called INCOME TAX, which the Supreme Court has defined
        as “profit and or gain.” ( or it did, when the illusion of the Constitution was still being
        recognised as a valid check on Federal POWER. )

        Individuals who are employed for an hourly wage or weekly salary, do NOT by definition
        have INCOME……they provide or trade their TIME and ENERGY, in exchange for money
        to SURVIVE!!!!!!! and surviving in this sense, would also include the anticipation of both
        present and future requirements if possible.

        If a nation operates using a financial system which adopts the Keynesian or inflationary
        model, this approach not only discourages a prudent responsible anticipation of future
        needs, it puts the potential means of accomplishing this task, out of reach for the majority,
        because it encourages both debt and immediate consumption……..while providing the
        least productive element of society, the government with a blank check….which it will continue
        to cash, because it’s debt obligation will theoretically be reduced by the inflationary forces
        at work. This model operates on the myth of infinite growth……for this model to succeed,
        requires access to “infinite resources” and since the latter does not exist, the former can
        not succeed. We have reached this REALITY…..refusing to recognize it will NOT change
        the outcome. Unfortunately, the agent of change being relied on, is the GOVERNMENT,
        and it and those who have corrupted it, have no interest in accepting the reality, or addressing it
        in any meaningful way.

        The current conventional wisdom being touted is “economic growth”, if only we could return
        to those “thrilling days of yester year”, things would be okay. Not going to happen, because the
        bill has come due and it has to be paid first. Your GOVERNMENT, however, instead of taking
        it’s lumps and forcing those responsible ( besides itself ) to pay it, decided to bail them out….
        which simply delays the inevitable, and increases the pain…..for those who failed are still in
        the game, but it is not a game they understand anymore than they did the last game……so they
        are waiting for “clarity” to begin. ( which means they are waiting for something that will not occur,
        while waiting for what should have occurred to eventually occur.) Meanwhile, you have your choice
        of candidates, none of whom can or will solve your problem. And a Constitution, which has also become a myth……generating a lot of BABBLE, but little clarity.

        So to close this lenghty piece, for me anyway, let us eximine Article Three, which describes
        the available “jusrisdictions” as. (common) “law and equity” as well as “admiralty and maritime.”
        Your mission, if you decide to accept it…….is to find any court in the land, at any level of government
        where “law and equity” apply or are in force? If such courts can not be found, what would a
        reasonable person conclude is the “jurisdiction” of the court’s that do exist?

        Where are the politicians or pundits at the center of this BABBLE, that are asking THIS QUESTION?

        Feel free to continue what you were doing……

        “Do not ask for whom the bell tolls…………”

        • Sail2pete

          Patrick — You sound like a defeatist and that is sad . Perhaps you should read the book by James Best, ” Tempest at Dawn” It is in novel form — a story of the founding of our nation and the toil of coming up with the plan for doing so — To begin with Patrick our nation is not a Democracy but a Republic. To give you the difference of the two –just a short example. A Democracy is twelve wolves and One lamb deciding what they are going to have for supper.. And that is what this joke of a President is doing with the help of a congress who was supposed to balance that power.
          Second we do have some very hopeful candidates out there and for you to say otherwise just shows you to be the defeatist you are. Pick a candidate Patrick and then support him or her. For me Herman Cain is the one and since he does not have any political experience he does not have any of that weakness of wanting absolute power . In his life he had to account to people. Nowadays our politicians account to no one except to those that furnish them money. And that is why we need term limits but very restricted ones. The limits we have now especially as a governor of a state is two terms and then one can go into another political office and after that he can go into another political office and eventually he can run for governor again as did our brilliant Jerry Brown in California. Lets get it so that politics does not become a career — there is no need for it. Our founding fathers were not career politicians and they hurdled more obstacles than we have today. They founded this nation — it is up to us to keep it and not by whining about how nothing can be done – You can do something —vote for Herman Cain or some other conservative candidate and if it must be a politician Newt Gingrich is as good as they come. — Pete Maniscalco

          • beacon

            No differance in capatilism and com UN ism. Its called contol of the people.

            You have only one choice, to turn this around, you the people.

            My sugestion, give peace a chance, listen to RON PAUL, a messenger to USA,s problem.

            Regards.
            Canadian

          • patrick H.T. paine

            “To conquer, first divide!”

            I apologise for the difficulty caused by the spacing pete, which caused you to miss the POINT. ( that we are NOT democracy is quite clear to me ) Would be nice if ole Bob provided a “view before posting button” to correct these things, but the opinion entitlement here is really not Bob’s concern……this is a BUSINESS for HIM, so general ignorance is a plus…..

            Feel free to VOTE early and often….it won’t matter, and whether I vote or not…..as a citizen, I am fully protected by the Constitution
            of the united States of America. So I have used my energies to learn about and exercise those PROTECTIONS, in spite of the fact that we
            have essentially been made “chattel” by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, under admiralty and maritime law, and the Uniform Commercial Code which
            requires you to “reserve your rights” before you need them, in order to claim them when you do.

            When you find a candidate that understands or is willing to explain this….then YOU might have a chance……as for your poster boy,
            9+9+9=27 and this is just the FEDERAL TAKE….then add all the local stuff and you are a long way from the 10% God needs. ( and I’m pretty sure God really doesn’t need money because every sunday I take all my cash on hand and throw it up in the air….and every time it all comes back….and I figure if he really needed it, he could just take what he wants. )

            BTW one of the difficulties in actually educating yourself to the state of the LAW….is the fact that your right to “assistance of counsel” has to changed to mean an “attorney, educated in a LAW SCHOOL, and a member of the BAR” ( except in Vermont ) and these people are prohibited from raising the “defenses” you require, even if they knew about them……which they don’t. It has been so long, in fact, that even the judges are clueless…..and since the justice system, isn’t about justice…..only YOU can protect yourself, which means…..you need to stop reading novels. Try The Freeman Compendium, if you can find it. Or Who’s Afraid of the IRS. Or stuff by Irwin Schiff………Applied Knowledge is POWER……Willful Ignorance on the other hand……invites it’s ABUSE.

            Anyway, the real point is that there is a bill due and nothing changes
            until it gets paid…….and even then things will be different…..but here’s your REALITY…..both the housing market
            and the stock market need to return to correct levels…..which means all that bubble wealth created with inflation will need to disappear
            and since this has been going on for a LONG time…..no one will escape.

            “Do not ask for whom the bell tolls…….”

        • James

          Patrick, Article 3, Section 2 says “The judicial Power shall extend to” the types of cases listed therein, and two of those were deleted by the 11th Amendment. Which says federal courts do not have power to hear all types of cases. For example, they do not have authority to hear cases where a party is not a citizen of the United States (hence why Scott v. Sandford was dismissed for lack of jurisdiction). And they don’t have power to hear cases where both parties are of the same State, (such as Row v. Wade, and Lawrence v. Texas).

      • Vicki

        Oh and downsizeDC has a good campaign to use to remind our representatives of some of the most basic details of the document they obviously have not read AND understood.

        https://secure.downsizedc.org/etp/obey-the-constitution/

      • http://google.com Rob

        Another thing is America is not a Democracy, America is a Republic when working correctly eliminates the problems of the Democratic Majority having too much control.

      • Vic Bailey

        As long as we let this corrupt government grow and start all the wars it wants and keep growing with more and more overpaid government employees, the closer we are comming to destroy ourselves. An unchecked government means a dying country! The Constitution has provisions in it to guard against this sort of thing, but the Socialist government is not playing by Constitutional rules and laws. Reason being “TOO MANY CORRUPT SOCIALIST JUDGES AND LAWYERS” in our represenative offices. The smaller the government the more proserous the people and country!!! The bigger the government the the less of everything for the people and the country! Wake up people we have the right laws that will keep this government in check but we have to demand the government to use it, THE CONSTITUTION! Semper Fi.

    • lkar

      A truely conservative/libertarien Republican would win the nomination, they could have so much campaign gold in the utter hypocrisy of BHO and the liberal left! They just do not seem to have the cajoles to go after the truth.

      • Skyknight

        You have a good point Ikar. However, the liberial controlled media seems to be pushing the one GOP candidite that is not a conservitive which is the RINO Romney. Unfortunately, there are a lot of Republicans that do not see that fact either.
        We need a real conservitive that will clean house of the Communist that now infest our White House.

        • DaveH

          There are only two running — Ron Paul and Gary Johnson, and the Lame Stream Media has effectively silenced Gary.

        • eddie47d

          Skyknight; There is no communist in the White House no matter what anyone says. That’s demeaning chatter from the far right. Obama is too far in bed with corporations to even be a socialist.LOL

          • Papa

            Obama is a Marxist, which is in the middle of the scale between Socialist and Communist. Anyone who understands political systems knows that…

          • eddie47d

            That’s your opinion papa and nothing else. You are only saying what you are told.

          • Dennis48e

            that is your opinion eddie and we know what that is worth

      • http://google.com Rob

        Ikar, you are absolutely correct. A true Conservative would blow Obama out of the water if for no other reason than to offer the people a clear and opposite choice. The Establishment GOP and the Liberal Media bury the Conservative Candidate every chance they get. The Elite Republicans don’t want a true Conservative anymore than the Democrats do.

    • Monte

      The ancient Greeks, who incidentally created democracy, labeled it as mob rule. Considering today’s America, I would be inclined to agree. The problem is we have an ever expanding parasite class, helped enormously by our open border policies. These people are out for anything they can get for free. In most cases, I don’t believe their thoughts go much, if at all, beyond their selfish desires. The Democratic Party promises them freebies for their vote. They vote them into office for the freebies. But it is a scam, for the Democrats bring with them their vile, evil Marxist doctrines. And those that voted for them could care less, so long as they are getting something for free. In this way, evil policies are put into action against the overwhelming disapproval of thinking, tax paying Americans. No wonder patriotic Americans find themselves living in a country they less and less recognize.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        I would agree with you up to a point. We do have illegals or invaders as that is what they really are. But when these people go to schools, hospitals, or social services they are greeted with a smile and “may I help you” from the clerks. So who is really doing more harm to this country.

    • Mushin

      WELL SAID!

    • Old Henry

      Yes s c, to use their own vernacular:
      Let’s take the sons of bitches out and send them straight to hell.

    • JJM

      So will the Democracy force JD to move? I would consider the benefit/risk cost analysis. When those who pay no longer exist, those who take will get nothing. Forget Democracy, Restore the Republic!!

      Here is a quote that I’d like to pass along. It does a good job of explaining our current state of affairs. I hope you find it useful…
      Alexander Fraser Tytler (1747-1813), a Scottish-born British lawyer once wrote:
      “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.
      The average age of the world’s great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage.” – Anonymous

      • independant thinker

        Jack Daniels can move to my county I am sure it will be glad to have something besides chicken processing as an industry. I would have to consider coming out of retirement to work there.

    • Michael

      I concur with the comments this country is ruled by career politicians who have no vested interests in the voters. An incumbent has to extremely unlucky not to get re elected, but hopefully in Nov 12, this will happen more and more. The Republicans are only marginally interested in reducing spending, so let us not be fooled by their ‘tough talk’. The only difference between Boehner/Cantor and Pelosi/Reid is the side of the aisle they occupy.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Who said that politicians are interested in the voters once they get in power.
        The whole transaction was to con people so that the politicians would get the power and the perks that go with it.
        People, start to study what tribal societies are like or were like and that is what Democracies become with their usual pecking orders and tribal chieftains. It is hard to imagine our leaders and ourselves that way but that is exactly what we have become.

    • Lee Baldwin

      Jacj Daniels should pull out the, OK, were are moving out of your marxist county. You will enjoy no tourist dollars, no tax dollars and we will NOT ship JacK Daniels product to your county EVER AGAIN.

    • professor

      We could easily be experiencing “tyranny by the majority.” Add the liberals and socialists in the democratic party, to the 43% that doesn’t pay taxes, thrown in the hordes of illegal alien voters, the libertarians and other radicals, and it seems We could easily suffer at the greedy whim of “a majority.”

      Robert makes a good point when he talks about the growing number of socialists, cannibalizing their own benefactors. Socialism is great until the libs run out of other people’s money. Most every night, in one form or the other, we hear examples of class warfare, on the evening news. It seems these union members, indigents, and other freeloaders never stop to think much beyond their most recent government check. Eventually, their benefactors will leave the country and take their money, or find a way imaginative way to keep from being cannibalized by the majority.

      Would the useless prey upon one another, at that point. Most likely they would, after setting the country on fire, taking out the few taxpayers that stayed behind, and burning what little assets they could find. At the end of the day, when the firss burned themselves out, what happens to the mobs. My guess would be that they just might be the first in those fema camps. This regime will have no use for angry people that aren’t skilled and are not unwilling to work. The useless won’t be worth the problems that the regime would inherit by keeping them around. They wouldn’t be needed at the polls. The elections would have been suspended, because of their own actions, making them allquite useless to the very people that urged them to violence. Whatever the mobs of the greedy and the useless would expect to gain, won’t happen. And what they do get won’t be to their liking.

      As for Biden, he is the “village idiot,” in Washington. I am amused at his recent rants, when an afternoon nap used to be his utmost priority. The pressure must be building on the democrats when bungling Biden, is “acting out” like a chipmunk on crack.

    • http://al@bellaproducts.com al metcalf

      SC, You are a breath of fresh air and we need another million of you.
      The task to save this nation is a daunting one because we have allowed the government to define the terms of our education and therefore we as a group do not have one.
      For instance we keep being told how wonderful Democracy is. Our politicians are continuously spouting words about democracy is coming to the Middle East as if that is a good thing.
      No one seems to realize that democracy is ‘Mob Rule’ at the core. Which means that who ever brings most thugs to the meeting makes the rules for everyone.
      Thank God that we do not have a Democracy and the word is not in any document concerning the United States of America.
      The first task is to re-educate our citizens to what a Republic is and then to speak to them with the words that are actually in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
      It is going to be a hard task to take back the country and divest it of 75% of the bureaucrats and agencies. Then we will have a chance to survive as a nation.

  • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

    I thought no taxation without representation was supposed to take care of that. I am so glad to be near my representatives in the concept of smaller government, so I can see the smirk on their faces being the moron, I’m told I am.

    • Lee Baldwin

      TEA PARTY, Slayerwulfe!!!

  • http://yahoo Skyraider6

    does anyone knows what happened to the sheriff of nottingham ? be careful about raising taxes

    • eddie47d

      Yes but the OWS’s back then were the Robin Hoods who demanded more accountability from the Sheriff(Wall Street). Angry citizens do rebel.

      • rmg

        Per Michelle Malkin:
        The original Robin Hood tales of the Middle Ages celebrated a renegade who rose up against property rights violations and taxation abuses. His archenemies were not private traders or bankers, but the local government tax collector, the Sheriff of Nottingham and the power-grabbing ruler, Prince John. Robin Hood, in other words, was far more tea party than flea party.
        http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2011/10/21/michelle-malkin-the-ows-and-robin-hood/

        • TheRealBob

          Good point, but wasted on a lieberal liar like eddie.

          • djdrew103

            I wonder how people can so blatantly warp the truth, and I don’t believe I am posting on a subject of Robin Hood. Every movie I saw on Robin Hood, he indiscriminately robbed the rich, not the personified worthy evil ones posted above. He did give to the poor though, and of course supported his merry troop of bandits. I guess all in all, morally worried mothers would not want their children raised watching a thief, though helping the poor, still robbing from anyone who had the bucks, and living off the take. He couldn’t live in mansion or use his wealth for self since he had the Sheriff looking for him and thus the trees, and because the rich and powerful he robbed from would have dungeonized him, and chopped off his head of course.

            Problem with our politicians when voted into office, who describe themselves as our best bet, they then go quickly over to the rich party and get to live off the take too, robbing then from whomsoever the legally indiscriminately agree to rob, and justifying it to the public eye as a moral cause.

          • eddie47d

            Gotta love it. Isn’t “Real” Bob the one who said that Robin Hood was the one who stole from the rich to feed the poor.Can’t have that now Bobby,right! The Tea Party is more in tuned to guarding the wealth of the upper class and and allowing the Middle Class to disintegrate.Pick your poison Mr name caller Bob. I guess that is like the Sheriff where his Kingdom got rich while the unemployed went begging.

          • DaveH

            Oh great, we’re getting our political morality from movies now.

          • JeffH

            No one personifies an imbecile, a liar and a hypocrit better than eddie.

          • Vern Holford

            So Drew beleives the movie version?

          • eddie47d

            I’m surprise that Jeff hasn’t broken any strings on that violin yet. Maybe he’s hoping the fat lady will come and sing. Wouldn’t that be a sight!

          • Buster the Anatolian

            The fat lady’s song would be infinatly better than anything you have to say eddie.

          • eddie47d

            LOL

          • MNIce

            Eddie47d wrote, “The Tea Party is more in tuned to guarding the wealth of the upper class and and allowing the Middle Class to disintegrate.” Wrong, Eddie. You failed to do your research again. If you had bothered to listen instead of looking down your patrician schnoz at them, you would have discovered that the vast majority of Tea Party people are irate middle class workers who are fed up with the politicians borrowing their grandchildren into financial insolvency before they are even conceived. They’re fed up with that borrowed money going to numerous unconstitutional purposes, such as bailing out the feckless bankers who inflated the prices paid for the homes purchased by the workers, then destroyed the monetary value of those homes. They’re angry with the politicians who deliberately misconstrue the Constitution so “collect taxes … to provide for the General Welfare of the United States” effectively becomes “spend money to buy votes to provide for the general welfare of the politicians” and “power to regulate commerce between the states” becomes “we can regulate anything we can imagine might affect interstate commerce.”

            Maybe if you get arrested for sneezing in the grocery store because your flying snot causes another shopper to reject an item of produce from out of state, you might understand that the Tea Party is about restoring the Rule of Law to an out-of-control Central Government that no longer seems to understand it is but a limited part of a Federal Republic.

            Your claptrap about us favoring the rich at the expense of the middle class only betrays thoughtlessness and ignorance. If the property of the rich isn’t safe from the government Mob, nobody’s property is, not even yours.

      • djdrew103

        I think with all the smart arsed comments to the side and lefties fighting right-wingers, the current tax system is the current problem. Lven if low income and middle class lost their deductions, you can’t claim that giving deductions or exemptions to the wealthier populace, or giving tax breaks to corporations is a true solution, as we found that to be one of the very problems as they shuffle their funds out of country anyways, just to save money! Lower their tax rates, allow them more deductions, they are still in it for the big money, and they will create jobs only if they wish too. Take away deductions and exemptions for the lower income and middle class, and they have no shelters, no methods to hide their money, and they pay the direct amount into the system, which is still unfairly balanced. Both repugs and Dems are looking at allowing a one year tax cut to help draw corporate interests back into the country. This doesn’t make sense to me as they merely develop their products under our lenient and subsidized tax relief initiatives, then move that product manufacturing and headquarters out of the country anyways.

        Until we find a tax code, and laws preventing manipulation of the tax code, they will continue the same practices they have learned to milk the country of deserved tax revenue.

        Don’t comment unless you watch the video first.

        http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7360934n

      • JeffH

        Robin Hood, the archer in green tights, was against the political tyrants of his day, most notably Prince John, Sir Guy of Gisbourne, and the sheriffs who extracted taxes from the common people to pay the king so he and his cronies could retain their political positions.

        If a Robin Hood movie were being cast today, Barak Obama would be cast as Prince John. The producers would have their pick of securing a supporting cast for Prince John’s court of governmental thieves by any number of Congressmen and Senators from both major political parties, most notably Nazi Pelosi and “Prince” Harry Reid.

  • TOCB

    The current tax code taxes millionaires at a lower effective rate than working class taxpayers. If we had an economy where working people actually had jobs and those jobs paid a living wage we could probably get away with this tax structure. However, when you have a low wage service economy and 9% chronic unemployment such an arrangement is not sustainable. If we are indeed a great nation with exceptional values, paying your fair share of taxes to fund the things we want to do collectively is indeed patriotic, which makes not doing so unpatriotic.

    • DJ

      Dear TOCB- You do know that you just called the 48% of Americans who paid zero Federal taxes last year in this country unpatriotic right?

      The biggest problem with the tax the rich debate of today is that way too many sheep refuse to take a look at the already enacted stealth tax increases that have been slapped onto the deaf,dumb and blind sheep. Watch the crying start when they see just what Obama has done to the tax code in 2012.It is all planned to not be noticed until after the 2012 elections, as you will all see in the spring of 2013. The middle class will be hurt the worst, as the so-called “lower income citizens” ( welfare parasites) do not pay taxes on any “income” especially not their welfare checks. Seniors, however are already being crushed with higher utility costs and gas/food inflation. They want you to believe that the welfare class is being hurt more than a Senior citizen trying to eke out a living on 700.00 bucks a month. Medicare co-pays just went up. Our electric bill “necessarily skyrocketed” by 60 bucks a dam month late last year in one jump with more to come, so says the electric company. $500 billion bucks stolen from seniors healthcare to pay for Obama-care and they tell the Seniors that the Liberals are Seniors best friends! Wake up people!

      • Eve

        They have to kill them off somehow…take their guns and give them to the illegals, take over health care, and tax whatever is left over.

      • martin

        If the liberals are the seniors best friend then thats like telling the sheep that their best friend is the wolf.

      • Old Henry

        Yes DJ, the electric company is correct. Little Barry’s EPA has said they intend to close all the coal-fired generating plants.

        That will put many more thousands out of work and crush not only seniors, but all Americans with horendously high rates.

        The coal industry may, or may not, be affected as China will buy all the coal we can send them. The U.S. is the Middle East of coal.

        • Karolyn

          But the coal industry is destroying the land and the lives of those around it.

          • Brad

            Karolyn,

            Coal minninig is providing jobs, we have over four hundred years worth of coal in the ground. You said coal minning is destroying lives because of it, I’d like to know how Karolyn. Please provide a link with your proof that coal minning is destroying lives? I believe you need to look at this link http://www.bydesign.com/fossilfuels/links/html/coal/coal_get.html and check its other resources before putting your foot in your mouth, Karolyn.

          • eddie47d

            There is no foot in mouth. Black Lung… but of coarse you wouldn’t know that because you wouldn’t go near a coal mine. What is the price of progress Brad ? Anything goes to achieve your goal. There are still mining deaths and tremendous environmental damages plus Coal Ash and contaminated drinking water.

          • Karolyn

            Well, Brad, maybe you need to look at this link
            http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080326201751.htm

            Are you aware that the beaautiful landscape of West Virginia is slowly disappearing due to coal mining? Have you ever been to the old coal mining regions of PA? Not a pretty site. Just talk to people from those areas, and they can tell you stories of illness and death. Big deal; somebody makes money, but hostens their life. The only winner is the coal company. The money to the little people is short-lived.

          • Karolyn

            I meant hastens the end of their life.

          • Buster the Anatolian

            I would love to see us get off coal as our primary energy source for electricity production. HOWEVER, those opposed to coal CANNOT provide us with a practical economical alternative. Until that happens we should continue to use coal, natural gas, and any other economical means of generating our electricity.

          • KHM

            @Karolyn who said that the coal industry is destroying lives and the land.
            So would she have some facts to back up that statement? Or is it just a liberal rant.
            Karolyn, we have plenty of coal which can be processed in a clean way. The new EPA standards about mercury emissions are bogus and will cause greater harm by destroying the economy in West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Kentucky and all other coal producing states when mines and coal -powered power generating plants close.
            You will see the price of electricity skyrocket.
            This is the tyranny of this administration and the EPA.
            The tyranny in this article was the greed of the residents of the town and county where Jack Daniels is located. They feel they are ‘entitled’ to a greater share of the profits of the biggest local employer which also brings tourism dollars.
            Talk about short-sighted.

          • Karolyn

            KHM – Who’s being shortsighted? We are weighing human lives and the land against money. There are no easy answers. What good is the money when the people affected by the coal industry will spend it on illness due to coal and not live long enough to enjoy it; and the land will never recover? Yes, it is better than it was long ago, but people still suffer with illness due to the coal industry. The mountains of West Virginia are being topped off. People are protesting in that state.

          • eddie47d

            KHM; There is mercury in coal and it does effect the health of those living anywhere near a coal mine or to wherever it is shipped to.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So everybody that produces any industry in this country does not care for the land and the people that work on it. You have a typical Leftist/Socialist savior complex( and it is not the Savior of the Bible), as no one cares but you and no one saves but you.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      So the 47% who don’t pay any federal taxes, should they continue on that course of ‘patriotism’? They use the same police, fire and utilities that I use; they drive on the same roads and go to the same schools as my kids. BUT I pay their way. Somehow that just doesn’t seem ‘patriotic’ at all. That is pure communism at its worst; as those sucking on the tit of government never stop sucking and they never produce anything of substance.

      Your precious ‘jobs’ are being decimated by our current administration’s executive orders which have ladled on new, punitive laws which drive employers out of business. Obamacare is just one of hundreds of these regulations. Unless and until this current tyrant is reigned in, the tax base will continue to dwindle…and I for one do NOT intend to keep ‘pulling up the rear’. I have had it with freeloaders trampling on my coat tails.

      • Lastmanstanding

        It is just that simple…everyone looks to deeply into what is going on…

        If everyone looked at others in their community and where their funds to survive came from, it would instantly become clear.

        I research everyone before I give anyone my money…Do they appreciate my money or are they using me.

        I realize that this falls into the divide and conquer thing…however, I am God helps those who help themselves person.

        We will find out soon whose on whose team.

        • Old Henry

          Well Lastmanstanding, I wonder if God is on the side of liberals as they help themselves – to everyone else’s money…

          I have found that giving locally is the best. My church, the Salvation ARmy and the local Food Banks.

          • Lastmanstanding

            OH. God is not on the liberals side…in fact, i look at who is a producer and who is a taker… who can make it on their own and who can’t?

            That is why I hope to be one of the lastmen/womenstanding.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Old Henry, first make sure who your church, the salvation army and the food bank support by the money.

      • Old Henry

        Actually Dntmkmecmoverther it is communism at its very best.

        I don’t know your “generation”, but for me it was my great-grandparent’s and grandparent’s generation that helped us into this mess with that dirt-bag communist FDR. My parent’s generation helped inject steroids with the scum-bag communist LBJ.

        And then MY generation gave it all another healthy boost with dick-for-brains and then Shrub.

        Last, but not least, the flea-bagger parasite generation and the illegal scum criminals put us into the final death throes with the commie Muslim foreign national.

        • Isaac Davis

          Succinct history. I agree with you. Most of this “OWS oppressive, wealth-suckers) probably couldn’t tell you one thing about the feral vermin of the past administrations. The doom and destruction wrought from those administrations is the results we now have before us.

        • Honestly

          Can we just KEEP IT CLEAN? PLEASE!!!!!!!!

          • Karolyn

            You think that’s dirty? You haven’t been around here long, have you?

      • http://www.lp.org Jerome Bigge

        The 47% who don’t pay income taxes came about because of how George W. Bush changed the tax code along with the decline in the economy to near Depression era levels.

    • Jimrobo

      This all started with Woodrow Wilson, F D Roosevelt perpetuated it, it’s tax-em and spend-it. Woodrow wanted parlimentary gov’t, and european style socialism, Roosevelt wanted to just die in office,after physically ruining the office, and LBJ wanted to redistribute everyones paycheck, to the tune of 13 trillion in todays dollars, in the war on poverty, GREAT SOCIETY, BS. All this has given us what we have today, millions on food stamps, free housing, free this, free that, until american business can’t find a good honest worker unless they sign away their company in a union contract.

    • Patriotic nut

      TOCB, who, collectively, wants these programs you speak of? Isn’t the “collective” you speak of just another name for the mob rule, or as in the article, majority rule? We, as a nation, need to rid ourselves of the IRS and many other government appointed enforcers. Yes there has to be a way to collect taxes to support the functions of the government, but the functions of said government are also limited to much less than it has evolved into doing.

    • clarence swinney

      TOCB THANKS
      Truth in Den of Thieves
      America ranks fifth in Least of OECD nations
      Top 50% paid, in 2008, 15% Tax Rate
      Buffett paid 10% effective tax rate in 2010–luckie duckie
      Current Hell on Earth created by Neo Conservative Freaknuts
      Bush ibncreased Spend by 92% and Debt by 112%. What did we get for it?
      Tac Cut for Rich–Two Wars–Part D Medicre Gift to robber barons in Pharma-2,300,000 job gift to just China-All Promoted by lil Bob’s pals on Hell Street in NYC.
      olduglymeanhonst Lifeaholic Political Historian

      • clarence swinney

        Old man sleepy. errors wow I groggy must get coffeeee
        America fifth (least) taxed typos aw what the heck
        numbers rounded for KO
        10% own 70% net wealth 80% own 15%
        10% own 70% financial wealth 80% own 7%
        10% take 50% individual Income 70,000,000 get 13%

        190 to 35 is Un-equality Si!

      • Patriot1776

        Wow, your typing/spelling really gives credibility to your stance…which as best I can understand is communist?

        Gimmee, gimmee, I shouldn’t have to work for what I get, someone else has already earned it, they have given their time and their hard work, they have taken the risk, they have been successful under capitalism. Why should they enjoy the fruits of their labors when they can just give it to me?

        Time to put down the pipe, straighten up and go earn a living for yourself.

      • lawrence

        What exactly did Warren Buffet pay in taxes? Not the percentage, What did he pay.

    • Bob

      The current tax code taxes high income people much higher than lower income people. The lower incomes are taxed at 10 and 15%. The higher rates at 25 to 35%. Capitol gains and dividends are taxed at 0% for the lower 2 rates and at 15% for the upper rates. For you to say that higher income people pay lower effective rates is due to a complete lack of understanding of the tax code.

      • djdrew103

        I think people in general have become educated enough to understand and not be fooled by claims that the “tax code” has the Richie Rich and Corporate powers taxed more. Its all over the news and researching it is far too easy. I can’t believe someone would continue to spread the hype. Those wealthier powers can afford the war rooms of tax attorneys who find the now ever present loopholes and shelters to where they pay 0-?% of actual tax rates.

        Taking into account all U.S. tax breaks, the average effective rate was 27.7% for large companies during the 2006-09 period, according to a study released last week by PricewaterhouseCoopers for the Business Roundtable. This does not mean that 27.7% is what they actually individually paid in, some companies paying far less than others as they found loopholes, exemptions and overseas shelters depending on their ability to afford those measures.

        The California Public Interest Research Group estimated last week that companies avoid as much as $100 billion in taxes each year through that tactic.

        “Main Street businesses and ordinary taxpayers without access to an army of lawyers and accountants to devise elaborate tax avoidance schemes are forced to pick up the tab every year,” said Pedro Morillas, the group’s consumer advocate.

        • DaveH

          We could end any trace of that controversy easily by going to a True Flat Tax where every adult paid the same. We all are guaranteed equal treatment under the law, so why do some have to pay more for that equal treatment than others?
          And the reality of taxing the rich more is that more productive money is taken out of the economy and Consumed by the Government, so most of us lose because that results in fewer goods and services to be purchased. Also, when the nation’s producers are taxed more they just raise their product prices and pass the costs on to the consumers. So the people ultimately pay those taxes. It is just one giant shell-game designed to fleece the people and feather the nests of the 1% who are in power positions.
          Some reality for those who can handle the truth:
          http://mises.org/daily/5776/The-State-Is-the-1-Percent

          • djdrew103

            I personally feel that a flat tax on whatever a person receives “In America” is the best basis. Companies that move their headquarters overseas, skip the current tax system. Yet if they were taxed on whatever they sold here in America, then they could not skip that tax.

          • djdrew103

            Let’s take a look for a perfect example in how GE manipulates the current tax code in a very simplistic viewpoint. Without all the media hype and political Tom Foolery, GE has recorded a $3.25 billion tax benefit for the year on its U.S. operations. It’s important to understand that this “benefit” is not a refund it just represents an amount GE will balance out against future tax obligations.

            General Electric reported $2.7 billion in cash tax payments during the year, and on its income statement lists a provision for income taxes of $1.05 billion. Considering GE’s pretax income of $14.2 billion, that makes for a tax rate of just 7.4%. The only one of the 20 corporate giants with a lower rate was AT&T ( T – news – people ), at -6.4%–but that was only because MaBell won a tax settlement with the IRS that reduced its tax liability by $8.3 billion.

            Its finance arm, GE Capital, that lost a lot of money during the financial meltdown (roughly $30 billion) was the reason GE was able to compile losses and profits into a current tax bundle, and it’s still carrying those losses forward and deducting them from current income. As GE spokesman Gary Sheffer wrote: “Without these financial crisis losses at GE Capital, GE’s tax rate would have been near the average of other multinational corporations.” He added, “In short, when you lose money, you don’t pay taxes.”

            If GE’s industrial side (maker of jet engines, light bulbs, turbines and such) were a standalone entity, its global tax rate would be 16.8%. It’s only after consolidating its results with the GE Capital side that its rate drops down to 7.4%.

            Overseas profits stay overseas, beyond the arm of Uncle Sam. But when losses happen, like in the credit crunch, they can be netted against U.S. profits. GE can avoid taxes on profits overseas through a multitude of loopholes, but the minute those overseas profits show a loss, they can declare it here in the US on their total income. Just another balancing act in the global marketplace.

          • DaveH

            Corporations don’t pay taxes. People do. When Corporations are taxed they pass the costs on to the consumers, or they pay their employees less, or they lay off some employees, or they lose money and shut down their business or move it overseas. No sane businessman is going to keep his money in a money-losing business. None of those options are good for the rest of us.
            It’s just one giant shell game with the rules rigged so the Politicians can pluck the citizens as much as they can without the citizens squawking too much. The Politicians use your blind envy to enable themselves to feather their own nests as much as possible.

    • Old Henry

      TOCB:

      Just curious, but what exactly is a “living wage” and what exactly is a person’s “fair share”?

      Also, who defines these terms, and on what grounds?

      • JeffH

        Old Henry, I guess a living wage can be measured on whether you’re dead or alive. Even though I make half of what I used to, I’m still alive so I must meet the government’s living wage standard.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        All those terms are subjective and mean what the person calling them wants them to mean. In plain language, they are liars telling lies.

    • DaveH

      Maybe, TOCB, if you truly believe the rich pay at a lower rate than others, you can explain this reality to us:
      http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

  • Insurgent

    We need to have a national flat tax for both individuals and businesses but the rich, the IRS, the tax accountants, and the tax attorneys do not want this.
    The more money that is given to the idiots in DC, the more money will be wasted, i.e., Solandra and Fisher—what a waste!!

    Washington, DC is America’s cesspool for liars, whores, and thieves !!!

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Fisker.

      • Old Henry

        Darn keebord.

    • Sharon

      I think BHO said ‘Everyone needs to pay their fair share’ of taxes..What is the fair share of the ‘poor’ ? The fait tax is the way to go..

      • TeaParty Patriot (TPP)

        THERE’S THE SAME PROBLEM WITH CAINS 9-9-9 tax plan as with the Fairtax Scheme..

        Savers have already paid income tax on their savings. Now Cain wants to impose another 9% sales tax (Fair Tax Scheme wants to impose a 23% tax)on these savings (not the interest or dividends which he proposes to cut) but on the principle, this will double tax the principle of the savings unfairly. The same could be said for the equity in a home. Taxes were paid on the payments applied to the principle and it accumulated over the years, Now Cain’s 9-9-9 plan and the FairTax Scheme wish to impose a 9% sales tax or 23% sales tax respectively, on this equity savings that has already been taxed by the income tax system.

        A second misleading or mis-statement of both the 9-9-9 Tax plan and the Fair tax Scheme is the statement that prices will fall when the embedded taxes now paid by manufactures are removed. Perhaps they will on goods produced here in the US BUT Diane Sawyer recently (on nationwide TV) had everything removed from a typical suburban 3 bedroom house that was not made here in the USA. The house was empty when the demonstration was over. EVERYTHING in the typical house was imported. That tells me there were no embedded taxes imposed by a foreign manufacturer that could be removed by out government. Therefore the prices for the consumer will remain the same except that the 9-9-9 tax plan will add 9% to the consumer out the door price and the FairTax Scheme will add 23% to the out the door price on those items bought that are not made here in the US The Computer monitor made in Taiwan that currently costs $100.00 will still cost $100.00 only the Cain 9-9-9 tax and the FairTax Scheme will add 9% and 23% respectively.

        • Bob

          TPP, your thinking is simplistic concerning what these two plans will do to the prices of goods and services. When income taxes are lowered, the final price of that item will drop, due to competition. ie, When we enact the Fairtax, the price of goods and services will drop by an average of 22% and then we add back in the 23% sales to make it revenue neutral to the government. The price will be about what we pay now. If you make $1,000 a week, you take home $1,000 a week not $700, minus any deductions like health insurance.

          The problem with the analysis of the 999 plan and the Fairtax plan is that non-thinking commentators refuse to factor in the price drops caused by lowered tax compliance costs and lowered income taxes. You can’t say that prices will automatically go up by 9% or 23% by adding a sales tax. You first must realize that prices will drop by lowering the income tax, then you add the sales tax.

          • Bob

            Another benefit of enacting the Fairtax is that millions of jobs would be created. Princeton did a study asking 500 of the largest companies based in Japan and Europe what they would do when the US enacts the Fairtax. About 400 said they would build their next manufacturing plant in the US, the rest said they would move their entire operations here.

            So don’t call the Fairtax a scheme. It is by far the best thing we could possibly do for the economy. I’m a CPA and an economist. A lot of top economists have studied the Fairtax and are solidly behind it. I’ve talked with a couple thousand people and the only ones who are aginst it are those who don’t understand or are far left socialists who want to confiscate the wealth of the rich.

          • Old Henry

            One BIG problem with both plans is that neither one REPEALS THE 16th AMENDMENT.

            We get the 999 or the Fair Tax and then Congress re-institutes the Imcome Tax.

          • Bob

            Henry, one of the provisions of the Fairtax is the repeal of the 16th amendment.

          • DaveH

            Bob,
            Before you trash the insight of others, you should read a little more carefully (and think).
            What TPP was talking about was the money that has already been saved years or decades ago before the 999 plan, and then would be taxed again (with the National Sales Tax) when they spend it some time in the future.

          • DaveH

            The Fair Tax Fraud:
            http://mises.org/daily/1814

          • Isaac Davis

            Great summary, especially the second comment under your first one. The MSM kook-aid drinkers believe everything that is spoonfed them, but then show up here to argue what they have been spoonfed out of the dry mix of kook-aid. After 2009, the kook-aid drinkers just started snorting the stuff and eating it like huge “pixie stix”. Forego the water!

        • DaveH

          I believe that sly former chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City knows damn well what he’s doing. He is introducing a sweet-sounding Trojan Horse into our tax system. Sure the plan will start off at 999, but we all know how that goes with Government. Soon, it would become the 10-10-10 plan or the 11-11-11 plan. They want to do what Government does best — get their foot in the door, using peoples’ general disgust with Income Taxation to push it through.
          There is only one real solution — Abolish the Income Tax first, then replace it with something truly Fair like a True Flat Tax paid by each adult.
          There is only one candidate with such simple and equitable solutions — Ron Paul. Well, there is Gary Johnson also, but the LSM has effectively shut him in the closet.
          Ron Paul’s plan:
          http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/

    • ernest

      a flat tax is ok but it needs to be a graduwaited tax ( what I mean is if you just make it say 10% a senior or a person working for low wage that can be a lot but for a rich person its a tax brake ) the flat tax needs to be based on the cost of living.
      what I mean is it should be a national scale of what you should have left after the cost of living has been deduced, ( they do that for seniors now, to set how much to increase their SS each year )

      • moonbeam

        But seniors don’t get an increase each year. When they do get an increase, 1/4 of it is taken away when their medicare payments go up.

        According to my mom, they haven’t had an increase in 2-3 years. They are getting one next year, but will be decreased by the amount of their increased medicare payments.

        • djdrew103

          This is a norm for the system. I get a cost of living increase this year, the first one in four years I believe, of a measly $18 if I am not mistaken. As that increase hits, my food benefits decrease one dollar for every dollar of the increase. That means that with my current $674 per month allotment on SSI, it will increase to $692 per month. to me when I think of nearly getting a whole $700 “almost” a month, it makes me feel falsely rich. I have had to survive on SSI for 13 years now, since heart, blood clot and lung/pulmonary problems put me on disability in 1998 when I started receiving a mere $500 per month. When that $674 changes to $692, my food benefits literally takes that down automatically to $686 just because some idiot in Congress can’t remember that you can’t give someone something and then take part of it away and expect them to appreciate it in full.

          Take the fact that they excused any cost of living increase for the last four years since the market dropped, yet a gallon of milk is more than a gallon of gasoline, or that food prices have soared, and this cost of living increase is pea puddle. I appreciate any extra, but I have a right to complain about government oversight and incompetence.

      • DaveH

        So the rich people paying much more towards taxes even though they already are benefiting us by giving us jobs isn’t good enough?
        They would do that with a so-called Flat Tax (really it’s a Flat Rate Tax) at whatever percentage is chosen for that Flat Rate Tax.
        Say we had a 10% Flat Rate Tax. Those making $10,000/yr would/should pay $1,000 for their Government. Those making $100,000/yr would pay $10,000 for their Government (10 times as much). Is that Fair? I think not. It’s fair only in the minds of those who want to help themselves to other peoples’ money (theft in my book).
        I am disgusted at the den of thieves and murderers that America has become.

        • djdrew103

          How do you think that is unfair. America is a land of opportunity, but that doesn’t mean you have a free ride just because you make more money. You trying to say that a person who makes 25,000 a year should pay 2,500 a year, and then that a corporation that makes 1 billion a year should be allowed to pay 25,000 per year after tax loopholes and exemptions? And that’s fair?

          • DaveH

            I’m saying the term Fair is terribly misused.
            You don’t have to show an income statement before the salesman gives you a price on a car, do you?
            Why should you have to show an income statement before you pay for the Government which supposedly provides equal treatment under the law?
            There is nothing at all Fair about some people paying more than others pay. I do realize that people (especially Liberals) can rationalize just about any effort to relieve somebody else of their money. Greedy people.

          • DaveH

            The bottom line is that when the Liberals finally succeed in getting the masses to cast aside their morality and plunder those who made the efforts and sacrifices to become wealthy, it won’t be long until we have no more in the United States than in any other third-world ignorant country.
            It is a fact that the takers of other peoples’ money don’t work harder (more likely less hard), and the victims of that theft will certainly work less deprived of their rewards. So, the logical outcome will be less productivity, and a worse (much worse) economy. You don’t even need to be logical to figure that out. All you need do is to have enough common sense to learn from experience:
            http://heritage.org/index/ranking

            Study the countries at the top of the list (Least Government) and those at the bottom of the list (Most Government) and tell me honestly that Big Government is the way to go.

          • eddie47d

            You sure like to throw that Liberal word around. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were hard working and innovative Liberals who provided hundreds of thousands of jobs. I know Dave Liberals don’t count!

          • DaveH

            Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, Eddie.

            Steve Jobs was a Liberal?
            http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/10/20/steve-jobs-told-obama-2010-youre-headed-one-term-presidency

            What would it prove if both of them were Liberals? Does that make Crony Capitalism any more moral? Does that make Freedom less desirable?

          • eddie47d

            Your as dense as the Hoover Dam Dave. You attack Liberals when they are as decent and hard working as any other American. You should stick to your arguments about crony Capitalism where you do have credibility. There it would include Conservatives and Liberals.

          • djdrew103

            DaveH says:
            October 25, 2011 at 2:02 pm

            http://heritage.org/index/ranking

            Study the countries at the top of the list (Least Government) and those at the bottom of the list (Most Government) and tell me honestly that Big Government is the way to go.
            …………….. …………….. …………….

            dave;

            your point is kinda messed up

            the piss poor countries at the bottom of the list? and the better, more freer countries at the top.

            We are 9th or so up at the top of the list, a compliment to a freer country. So your point you were trying to make is defeated. We are a freer country with too much government. Sweden is widely known for too much government, outrageously high taxes, run totally as government is more important than the people and messed up to boot, and its way down on the list 22nd?, not much to be proud of. I would move to the US in a heartbeat if I were Swedish.

          • djdrew103

            “It is a fact that the takers of other peoples’ money don’t work harder (more likely less hard), and the victims of that theft will certainly work less deprived of their rewards.”

            ……………………………………………………………

            rather, let’s define this logically….

            It is a fact that the takers of other peoples’ money (the rich and Wall Street’rs and Repugs) don’t work harder, more likely less hard (they certainly don’t, didn’t and never have), and the victims of that theft will certainly work less deprived of their rewards (and why should the working class work harder, if they give their lives away working just so the rich and the facade created by Conservative Government take all their hard-worked-for-just-rewards away from them).

  • AJ

    I heard that, “Democracy was the best government money could buy”. I think it was a Rothchild that declared that somewhere in history. Joey Biden thinks to be patriotic is “to play the role of a docile cow waiting to be milked whenever politicians decide they need more money.” The Role of the docile cow has been reinforced the past 50 or more years. Oh by the way Floride is good for the teeth, Duh ya Know?

  • Mike Houst

    The problem started when the representatives started passing laws that benefited themselves and their cronies disproportionatly compared to the rest of the population.

    That’s called theft by deception. And it is stealing.

    So the average citizen has a right to redress and compensation from the banks and financial institutions that got fat prior to the crash, and who have benefited from the bailouts since then. I said they have a right, not that they stand a chance in hell of ever collecting.

    Secondly, those self-same legislators set up a situation that skewed total wealth distribution out of the optimum economic range. Sure, thee’s more money in the system than ever before; but it’s all concentrated at the top 20%; and that doesn’t do anything for business. It doesn’t increase spending, because nobody else has it to spend. And it doesn’t create jobs, because without spending, nobody is making anything, or hiring to make and distribute it. It doesn’t take a PhD in economics, or a Nobel Prize to figure that out.

    But when you have the foxes guarding the hen house, it’s real tough to raise chickens.

  • James

    As someone who used to vote straight Republican, but who finally realized that he didn’t have enough money to qualify as a Republican, I am greatly in favor of taxing the rich. They do NOT pay their fair share now; when Warren Buffett is in the 17 percent tax bracket, and his office workers are in the 36 percent tax bracket, something is woefully wrong. Also, as a former ROTC professor of military science, I can tell you that the kids of the rich do NOT serve in the military any longer; they are told that military service is the burden of the lower socio-economic classes. So, the people who get the most out of living in this country are doing the least to support it. The Democrats have been monumentally stupid in the past, but to continue voting Republican is to vote against myself. And I’m not going to do that any longer!

    • douglay@cfl.rr.com

      A persons income tax bracket is determined by the amount of personal income they have. Having the name Warren Buffet doesn’t change that. The 15 % or 17 % that is being thrown around is the rate of capital gains tax that all investors pay, rich or poor. If you invest and get a capital gain you pay the same rate of capital gains tax that Warren Buffet pays. Quit blindly repeating the lies of the news media. Think for yourself. I don’t want Warren Buffet or anyone else to pay a higher income tax. We don’t have a revenue problem we have a spending problem. Wake up…

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Doug… Your post was a very good answer. I couldn’t agree more that our problem is not a revenue problem, but a spending problem. If a Fair Tax was enacted and the IRS needs something to do, they can start by making those who we send millions to in other countries be accountable to how the money is used. I think once an investigation finds and tracks our generous ‘help’ we will probably see we need to change things drastically. And we need to defund the UN and ask them politely to leave. Those countries that always votes against us should have all their aid cut off. It wouldn’t be that hard to find that we have money going in so many different directions that is not being used correctly and is not necessary any more.

      • johnb

        Just think of the amount of money Americans are sending overseas. 100″s of billions they spend for foreign cars. I agree, government is over spending, but the American people are overspending also. And it’s all spending on foreign goods. We need to stay out of Walmart and to quit buying foreign cars. And foreign cars built in this country the profits go over there. Creating our 14 trillion dollar debt. We could use that money over here for Social Security, infrastructure, schools, etc.,etc.
        The Chinese has $1.3 trillion of our dollars in their federal reserves, the Japanese have $1 trillion of our dollars in their federal reserves,as well as other nations; while the U.S. has only $150 billion of our dollars in our federal reserve. Something’s wrong
        when other nations have more of our money than we do.

      • John

        Spending problem that grows like a vine in gov’t expansion.I just had a voluntary interview with a census rep(who was a hr block worker also) from the useless dept of commerce.the same stupid useless questions over and over.What a waste of tax dollars.This is one dept that needs to be elimenated from gov’t.i am sure it would help our debt problem.

      • DaveH

        Very Good, Douglay. Thanks for pointing that out.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Are you a dupe or a comrade? I would guess you are a dupe, unless you actually believe you are entitled to the earnings and wealth of someone who has fared better in the lottery of life. Where do you get your numbers? Capital gains taxes are 15 % unless they are securities held for less than one year, in which case the rate is more than double. The losses in securities are limited. Get your numbers straight and then come back and dispute what I have said. In the first place Buffets secretary is not in the 36% tax bracket unless she is making $ 200,000 a year, in which case I think that is too high. What is wrong with everyone paying the same tax rate on their earned income?

    • Charles bond

      James, get your facts about Buffet’s tax deception before you try to pass it on.

      • eddie47d

        It’s not the tax rate on capital gains that is the problems but how they gained their wealth in the first place. The whole system is rotten from the top down. The wealthy have become lazy and complacent and seldom produce anything anymore. There aren’t many reasons to look up to them (to be like them)because they have become devious greedy little thieves. I don’t envy a low life criminal and I certainly won’t envy a high falutin one either. Conservatives can talk about morals all day long. Until they rein in the Enron/Lehman Bros. crowd then their words are standing on shifting sands.

        • Bob

          The greedy are those who want to steal the wealth of those who have earned it. The lazy do not work and expect a check from the government. That government money comes from taxing those who have earned it through hard work.

        • DaveH

          Eddie makes his usual comment filled with fabricated facts.
          Fabricated Fact #1: “It’s not the tax rate on capital gains that is the problems but how they gained their wealth in the first place”.
          You have no idea what they sacrificed to gain their wealth, Eddie. Don’t pretend otherwise.
          Fabricated Fact #2: “The wealthy have become lazy and complacent and seldom produce anything anymore”.
          Then who is producing our products, Eddie, Santa Claus? You know nothing about the work ethics of the Wealthy, Eddie. You are speaking purely from an ignorant position of envy.
          Fabricated Fact #3: “There aren’t many reasons to look up to them (to be like them)because they have become devious greedy little thieves”.
          I take it that you can prove that slanderous statement, Eddie?
          Don’t project your own lack of morality onto others, Eddie, you jealous little Troll.

          • djdrew103

            DaveH

            Not in defense of Eddie, he can fight his own battles, but your name calling is once again some of the only fuel you run on.

            You actually need examples of the rich and wealthy and corporate powers actually raping the general public to produce profits? Try Goldman Sachs and AIG and and and…those are perfect examples of unchecked unregulated profiteers recklessly ruining the country in the name of the almighty dollar. That is a supreme example of the mentality of the rich versus the US citizen!

            And look, I didn’t even have to call someone a name?

          • DaveH

            Duh, djdrew, both of those were bailed out by Big Government at the taxpayers’ expense, a Big Government which you Liberals support.

          • DaveH

            By the way, djdrew, nice try on the name-calling bit, but I was just responding in kind to Eddie’s slanderous name-calling comment. We are allowed to fight fire with fire you know. I do realize that the Liberals prefer we bring knives to their gun fights, but sorry, I don’t abide by Liberal rules.

          • DaveH

            djdrew103 says “Not in defense of Eddie, he can fight his own battles, but your name calling is once again some of the only fuel you run on.”

            From various djdrew comments:
            “This ass was sitting next to a known terrorist when he died”
            “You whole argument as I read them here are empty adn mindless blabber.”
            “Repugs have offered nothing”
            “…and I suppose in some insane form of wisdom that you feel that makes him their puppet?”

            Typical Liberal Hypocrite.

          • eddie47d

            I’m still standing by what I said Dave and there are no fabrications.

        • eddie47d

          I’ll stand by what I said and I’ll say it even louder next time.The income of Americans in the bottom 80% went up 83% since 1980. The income of the top 1% went up 261% in that same time period.The other 19% went up 95%. Even adjusted for inflation that 1% made out like bandits. Productivity has gone way up for Americans but their incomes have now stagnated in the last 4 years. Income for that 1% has gone up 7-15% in that same time period yet their productivity has gone down. So stop trying to sell me the Brooklyn Bridge Dave.

          • DaveH

            Eddie says “Productivity has gone way up for Americans but their incomes have now stagnated in the last 4 years”.
            I would ask you to post some references to such effect, but I know you wouldn’t. You never do. Do you just not know how? I’d be happy to explain it to you, if you don’t.
            Also, I would have to say thanks for the admission that, notwithstanding increased Government involvement in the economy, the economy is still suffering. Why is that? I thought Obama and you Liberals had the answers?

          • eddie47d

            Hey chart-man. Show your brilliance and look it up. Wages for high earners are way up and wages for lower earners are down or stagnant. It’s been that way for some time so stop floating on the river of denile.

    • Change?

      Who are you going to vote for James? King Obama and a democratic society or a republican who is of the lesser two evils? I think everyone should vote republican until we get a grip on our Constitutional laws and take back our country. We then begin voting republicans out of office after we’ve established a third party who will abide by our laws.

      Obama has no intention of creating jobs and after there are no more companies to hire anyone, people will be accepting jobs as cops or joining the military to survive. Hence, the TSA ‘security’ which has now spread like wildfire from the airports to ballgames, concerts, buses, and trains. We have not only been trained to be those ‘docile cows’, but we’re now being trained to summit to authority and are prisoners in our own cities, townships, counties, states, and country. That’s just the way progressives have been planning the takeover of America and the world for decades. They are blatantly carrying out their plans without any regard to the human element and the human being’s laws – the Constitution.

      We are dealing with brazen evilness who have no concept of what a human being is or the aftermath of where they’re taking this planet because their decisions, if they win, will affect them too. I have always held true to the thought that if one becomes corrupt, the devil is lying low and grinning, for it has added another being to its list of sinners which gives it more strength and power. People have to stop these demonic monsters before they take over the world because they’ve already begun by eliminating ‘Heads of States’ in the Arab world. There were no terrorists on Earth until the leaders, or puppets of the real leaders of America, began terrorizing other countries.

      • eddie47d

        You sure have been set up in believing that voting Republican will make you all feel better. Remember it was the Republican Party that pushed through the Patriot Act which authorized the TSA and the “police state” that you rail against. Obama doesn’t get a free pass either but it was the Republicans who set him up and gave him excuses to further it. Another would be the Iraq War advocated by Republicans which now gives Obama an excuse to grow further wars. Not much different than NAFTA which was also a Republican plot to make everything all better. Yes the Democrats fell for that line of bull too but under false pretenses. They drank the Republicans Castor oil and have had diarrhea ever since.Now the Republicans have their own jobs bill in the works $285 billion. Yup the same Republican party that voted against Obama’s Jobs Bill (both of the recent ones). I feel another set up since it’s also for roads and infrastructure. If the Republicans really cared about job creation their plan would have been in the works earlier instead of showboating on Obama’s bill. The Republicans are about as credible as Bernie Madoff.

        • Patriot1776

          I can’t argue with you on the fact that, in general, Republicans aren’t reliable. Democrats are far more reliable, they will always spend more, tax more and remove liberties and freedom “for the public good”. Through their tactics they will continue to enslave minorities because they need them to make their case, while they give billions of dollars to their cronies.

          That is why the Tea Party has come to be and why we need to establish which Republicans are Constitutional Conservatives and which are liberal Democrats under the Republican label. We need people in Congress and the Presidency that will 1) Obey the laws of this Great Nation, 2) Follow the will of the citizens, 3) Reduce government and return it to the Constitution and the intent of the Founding Fathers.

          To continue to hire the current socialists and communist thinking it will get better is utter insanity.

          • JeffH

            …vote Ron Paul 2012…the only constitutional conservative running for POTUS!

        • clarence swinney

          THANKS EDDIE GOOD
          420 I cannot understand why Lord Obama and democratic spokespersons are not using that tool A disgrace on governance

          420 Bills are in Senate Dumpster. Filibustered. Many passed House with unanimous vote. Some for creating jobs. Helping poor.

          Most filibustered in history. King Obama tell the people.

          420 420 420 420 can you read Master Obama? I do not comprehend.
          His staf fmus be awfully dumb dumb sumb
          Or is it Professor Barack do not rock the boat?

          It is Newt 1995 tactic.Republicans took control both houses.
          The 1995 Congress was rated worst since Republican 1933 Do Nothing Congress by Congressional Quarterly. 5000 Bills/Resolutions. 1500 Floor votes. Passed record low 88 bills.

          McConnell is deja vu of 1995. People Hurt? To xxx with them.
          $$$$$$$$$$$$$ OUR GOD $$$$$$$$$$$$$ OUR TOOL $$$$ DESTROY
          $$$$
          Newt Congress spent $110,000,000, per GAO, on hearings and investigations trying to destroy Clinton via smearing and lying over six years. Smear did not work. He left office Highest rated of any any any President. Suck on that Republicans. LORD WILLIAM.

          FACT–Lord William Of Hope had ONE Yes (1) convicted of a felony which was committed while working for King William

          Evil man took $12,000 worth of trips to ball games, etc. paid for by college classmates. OIC Smaltzsmear said No Quid Pro Quo “just college pals doing as had done since college days but now illegal for government official”

          Illegal in Executive not Legislative.
          Newt tok a $200,000 European family vacation paid for by Electronics Industry which had a bill before Congress that would save them billions. Same paid for Hesse Jelms week vacation in Miami.
          $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ BUYS ANYONE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
          old87uglymeanhonest

          WANT DISHONEST HIRE ANYONE TO WORK IN CONGRESS. IT CORRUPTS.
          GET $$$$$ OUT OF WASHINGTON OFFICIALS

        • John

          I agree the repubs have betrayed us so vote for a tea party candidate even though they must use the republican party ticket on the 2012 run

        • DaveH

          Eddie,
          I sure do get tired of your misinforming comments. 70% of the Democrats in the House of Representatives voted FOR the Patriot Act. Only 1 Democrat in the Senate voted against the Patriot Act.
          ALL of the Democrats in the House of Representatives voted FOR the Aviation Security Act which created the TSA. And ALL of the Democrats in the Senate voted FOR the Aviation Security Act.
          Are you a Liar, Eddie, or just Stone Ignorant?

        • eddie47d

          Can’t you read Dave or do you go straight for the insults? The Patriot Act was pushed by the Republicans. The TSA was pushed by the Republicans.Democrats and Republicans vote on alot of issue and those bills were no different. It seems like I have to walk you through each step. Remember The Great Society …pushed and supported by Democrats and it passed whether you liked it or not. . Not much different than the above mentioned Acts. PUSHED AND SUPPORTED by Republicans but voted on by all.

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            I know you’re full of it. You know you’re full of it. The readers know you’re full of it. Give it up.

          • independant thinker

            eddie it don’t matter who thunk it up or who pushed it what matters is who voted for it. Your precious democrats voted to institute the patriot act and voted to renew it with enhancements under obama so quit trying to blaim it all on Bush.

          • eddie47d

            Then use the same theories when attacking Liberals or Democrats. Obama did not push the Patriot Act.Get a clue in how politics works and figure out who does what. Then you and Dave will have more credibility.

    • John

      Think Tea party and lets return back to contitutional fundamentals.No tyranny by oversized gov’t.

  • steven

    Insurgent i couldn’t agree with you more, Washington Dc is the biblical Whore of Babylon.

    Unless we get something like a Ron Paul, Herman Cain ticket it will be SOS DD, Same old sh-t, Different Day.

    The other night i was watching a Old History Channel program on the seven deadly sins,this one was about greed,between corporate greed and government greed sadly we are headed down the same road that destroyed the old roman empire.

    Just a lone voice in the wilderness.

    • clarence swinney

      Steven Yes
      Rome-Spain-Holland-England Empires. Lords of The Universe.
      America is on exact Trend Line to End of Empires.
      Over extension globally. Financed via Debt.

      WORLD’S PEOPLE WATCH OUR EXPANSIONISMS VIA TV AND CONDEMN OUR ACTIONS
      They see. We do not see much of what they see. Pentagon covers over.
      Many live happy lives in Equality and wonder why America has such great Inequality with such wealth. The Days of Envy have dissipated.
      People are informed via TV and Internet.

    • DaveH

      Ron Paul would not appoint an establishment Republican like Herman Cain to run as his Vice President.

  • bogbeagle

    With respect to “authority”.

    Seems to me that there are just two ways in which one man may exercise authority over another … by Consent or by Coercion.

    We are held to be governed and taxed by Consent.

    Now, if authority is exerted by Consent, then there absolutely MUST be some mechanism by which that consent may be withdrawn.

    Since no such mechanism exists, the logical conclusion is that we are all governed by coercion … force. And, the concept of “consensual governance” is thus proven to be false.

    • John

      This is true except the ballot box is our ways and means.

  • Art

    “No taxation without representation” was the rallying cry of the United States Revolutionary war. The phrase, “taxation without representation is tyranny”, coined by James Otis, of that era, best represents the dissent of our Colonial ancestors.

    The Atlantic Ocean separated them from their representative government. Today, with our representative government with us on the same continent, we are still hearing that sentiment. The problem was not then, nor is it now, distance or geological barrier. Oppressive taxation with representation is still tyranny.

  • Fox

    Before you go patting Joe Biden on the back for anything, do not forget that he is of the same ilk as Chuck Shumer and Hillariass Clinton when it comes to the desire for disarming Americans. The only thing preventing useful idiots like these and the rest of the WH crowd from the creation of a complete police state is a well armed citizenry; which is exactly the purpose of the Second Amendment.

    I chuckled at the ladies story about the 2 wolves and a sheep. The rest of that story went: “Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing the dinner menu. Liberty is when a well armed sheep casts the deciding VOTE!”

  • http://www,pappymart.com John Hanna

    Politician, librarian, sheriff, teacher and associated goombas just request it from the elected and darn if they don’t get it.
    It’s that damn Keynesian economics where it makes sense that when you keep paying cops for instance the money will come back around and re-energize production – but it is flawed when cops get paid ten or twenty times what the average worker gets and it doesn’t work when production is out of this country. Further, as these groups build excess money they aren’t very good at creating productive assets where people actually work at winning a living and blowing money on the entertainment industries doesn’t ‘create’ wealth either just shuffles some money around
    Only production creates wealth

  • PATRIOT 101

    The majority will vote to “Kill the Golden Goose” in search of all the gold.
    Democracy is nothing more than a nice label for mob rule. The founders knew this and put multiple levels of checks and balances in place to prevent “Democracy”, however so many (checks and balances) have now been removed, we are now there.
    Even more scary is a “Democracy” looking for a “Leader”! Unfortunately, that is what we are today, and Obama will be our “Leader”. He has minimized Congress to the point of irrelevance. The DOJ is Crime Inc. central! Dictatorship is just an announcement (teleprompter speech) away.
    IF we get a vote in November ’12, perhaps we can salvage our Republic.

  • http://Walkermedia.org ARTHUR

    HELLO JAMES, WHY NOT VOTE FOR SOMEONE WHO IS CONSTITUTIONALLY ALERT, THE DEMOS AND PUBS ARE BOTH ROWING THE SAME BOAT OF KARL MARX. LOOKS LIKE GUN SMOKE IF THIS THING DOESNT LEVEL OUT, BUT I SEE NO END OTHER TYHAN GUNIGHTS. EIGHTY YRS OLD HRE, MUCH POLITICAL HISTORY, EXPERIENCES.

  • William Cocker

    I’m a Canadian, not that, that will save me from the collapse of the U.S.. It looks to me like you are overdue for a (whiskey?)rebellion, while you’re still armed. Why wait for 2012, do it now!

    • DaveH

      Stick around, William, and read the comments. Then tell us again we should have a revolution. We would just be replacing one tyrant with another. The citizens of the United States have been so effectively propagandized by the MSM and the Public Schools that most have no clue whatsoever about the Principles of Freedom. Until we reach the point where they have awakened, revolution would not possibly lead to a desirable outcome. And even if we did reach that point, peaceful methods would provide a lot more bang for the buck.

  • Mirage

    Regarding isolated instances where the top 1% wealthy (or anyone) have stolen and entrapped the 99%er’s through their misdeeds, like the economic collapse the folks in government and on Wall Street have bungled, to my way of thinking, Republic or not Robert Ringer, stepped aside with your fancy historic “Republic” talk: METAPHORICAL HANGINGS NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
    Fundamental change for Main Street will only come about through people taking to the streets, and that is just for starters.
    Simply voting like we’ve always done, ain’t gonna get it done, as in …
    the definition of insanity, is doing the same things you’ve always done, while expecting different results!

  • http://yahoo jeff

    Gosh won’t the libtards be happy when they force Jack Daniels to move their operation to China. WOW! Then everyone will be equally unemployed. Sounds like a plan to me.

    • JeffH

      …my thoughts exactly…

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLIniois

    The govenment is always screwing the American tax payer.

  • 4-just_us

    99% of Americas problems are caused by congress. They make all the
    laws,rules and regulations.Of late the President also seems to have gotten into the legislative branch. Its amazing to me how so few people it takes to take over a government. Hitler comes to mind. There have been hundreds of empires come and gone. Roman empire comes to mind. Whats going to prevent the US from the same destiny?

  • Robert Morrow

    I had a small business in California and after many years of harassment, over taxed and unable to find employees that was able to read, write and do simple math, I did the correct thing. I went on strike, closed the business, fired everyone and moved from the state of corruption and petty bureaucrats. I think that anyone that is a doer and shaker, who is being destroyed by Petty Bureaucrats with obscene inforced regulation and and their hands out for under the table payments, plus the gimme crowd that are parsites, want what you have worked hard for. I say strike, fire everyone and let Obama take care of them and close shop. Once all business do that it will change and people will will realise that the ones who made the business supports every one. Presently our Government leaders have have sold you out to uncontroled Shadow governments, like the FDA(I call murder for profits inc.), the EPA, Labor relation board and on an on. Shut down these shadow government and there would be enough money to paid the National debit and support sick care (not healthcare as I do not need care when I am healthy). So back to Jack Daniels, Strike against the corrupt officials and bring back the Republic and Consitution.

    • martin

      You have hit the nail on the head. We have created a generation of takers instead of doers. I am afraid if this Goliath isn’t slain in 2012 it will be too late to save our Republic. Their are too many people like James that don’t have a clue about what our forefathers saw and knew what was needed to keep our Republic.

    • JeffH

      Robert Morrow, just like Margaret Thatcher said ““One of the main problems with socialism is that eventually your run out of other people’s money.”

      You got to love the pistol-whipping she gives the Marxists who call themselves socialists who are in fact communists.

      fiesty Thatcher video: http://dancingczars.wordpress.com/2011/06/05/margaret-thatcher-on-socialism/

  • Dave Carr

    Hopefully most sane individuals do not see an honest, every day company like Jack Daniels as the enemy or a cash cow to tax. However, I can see the frustration factor building against large companies who have a long history of unethical behavior, political influence and harm to our economy. Say what you may but I have little respect for the Goldman Sachs, AIG, Monsantos, major banks, who pretty much ripped off main street for their own unbridled greed. I hold no respect for them and I’m sure I’m not the only one. It’s time we somehow, someway, regained our government as it seems to be infiltrated and run by these shady corporations. I no longer see us having a true democracy these days…it sadly seems to be slipping away.

    • John

      GE also comes to mind.

    • DaveH

      Those Crony Capitalists could not do their dirty without the complicity of Government. Let’s not throw the babies out with the bath water. Let’s just get our Government out of the Marketplace. Let’s return the power to the consumers. It is Government interventionism that has caused our problems. Let’s cure the disease, not the symptoms.
      For Free Markets, Limited Government, Individual Freedom, Personal Responsibility, and PEACE — Vote Libertarian!
      http://libertarianparty.org/issues

    • clarence swinney

      Democracy can be mesured by one value distribution of wealth and income
      When score is 190 to 35 it is a shut out

      10% own 70% Net Wealth 80% own 15%
      10% own 70% Financial Wealth 80% own 7%
      10% take 50% individual Income 70,000,000 take 13%
      7/5 70/7 50/13 190/35

      America is ranked fifth from top on Inequality in oecd nations.
      A 30-60-10 distribution is deemed equitable in a democracy

      Today it is est. 80–20-0

  • jopa

    Mr Ringer was unable to think of a single instance where a police officer prevented a rape or a robbery.There are numerous instances where police patrols in high crime areas have reduced crime by very significant amounts.That must have been a typo on his part.

    • DaveH

      Perhaps you could link to some examples, Jopa?

  • Henry Ledbetter

    As David faced Goliath he first said, “Who is this uncircumcised Philistine that he should defy the armies of the living God.” A few verses later David said,”IS THERE NOT A CAUSE?” The Bible has much to say about thieves and robbers and those that feel they must redistribute the wealth fit the description. How much better to allow each state to keep the money at home rather than sending it to Washington where they keep most of it for a handling fee which should be for our National defense and border control only. It is great to see the talk of getting rid of the present tax system- – -This is our Goliath which must be slain.

    WASHINGTON CROWD SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE

  • mr.rogers

    So, you’re advocating minority rule,is that it ?

    • DaveH

      Did Robert say that?

  • Old Henry

    Disturbing article Mr. Ringer. All I can do is sit here and shake my head. (Hear it rattling?)

    Do those nit wits in the County of Moore think that their benefactor cannot find greener pastures? It will be interesting to see what happens. Please keep us posted.

    Personally I think we should impose a 90% tax on ALL politicians. Local, county, state, federal, you are a politician, you are taxed at 90%. Might “cull the herd” a little…

    • eddie47d

      Oh Really! Then the wealthy elite politicians would still be in power and those who aren’t wealthy (those who truly represent us) will be forced to leave.

  • ONTIME

    The idea that you can now trust a elected official has gone by the wayside, they are the law makers and these legislators write laws for them and then laws that we voters are expected to obey, this has got to cease, it is no longer a representative government but one that is government first and bigger government is better. The very thing the founders warned us of we let happen and the intent was not a accident, it has been planned and executed. Our rights are now in jeopardy, we are paying for growing oppression.

    These people only exist because we taxapayers give them money in return for fair representation and a voice in the running of government but incumbency, elitism and government unions have now made that proposition a precarious agreement, we need to now find a new way for our elected officials to hold office and install a trust but verify agreement to make the merit of public service the foremost of holding office, not self aggrandizment.

    We are on the verge of reforming the tax system and that is the beginning of the death knell for the old style filthy rich incumbent elitist that now has the upper hand. Along with a flat or nat’l sales tax comes the term limits which will follow and they will be salary only no more retirements, insider trading, benefits and perks. It will be clear the reason for holding office is to serve as a honorable representative and put the civil back into public service.

    You can fight city hall, it is in your American blood and you can pass the lessons of maintaining your government to serve not rule, we did away with kings and tyrants in 1776 and not looked back and now we need to have honorable people serve not self serving. Pass it on America if you want decent government to make a comeback.

  • Raggs

    Have you heard… oblama is now going to use “executive order” to pass his socialist marxist union funding vote grabbing commie law into place.

    • eddie47d

      Is that like the Conservatives on the Supreme court giving personhood to corporations and unlimited donations. Sure thanks Raggs.

      • TheRealBob

        Once again eddie lies – personhood was granted by the 14th Ammendment in 1886, not by the “conservatives” on the not-so-supreme court. Any rights that flow to corporations flow from that ammendment.

        • eddie47d

          I stated no lie so put your drivel back into your shorts.

          • TheRealBob

            Only a fool claims to tell the truth when his lie can easily be verified. You are, and always have been a liar. Look up the 14th Ammendment folks and verify eddie’s lie.

          • JeffH

            A well known fact at PLD is that eddie is nothing more than a pathalogical liar.

            Definition of a Pathological Liar:
            Pathological lying is manipulative lying so that the person can get his way. Pathological liars have little regard for the feelings of others or the morality of their lies. Pathological lying is frequently associated with another mental disorder.

            Identification: Pathological liars often confuse truth and falsehoods and, during a structured interview, are inconsistent in their responses. Pathological liars may believe their lies are the truth. Pathological liars are intelligent, manipulative and may be self-centered. It is unknown if pathological lying is controllable by the individual. It is possible that a pathological liar may believe his lies to the point that he is “delusional”.

            Your mother must really be proud!

          • DaveH

            Do you think anybody takes your comments as valid fact anymore, Eddie?

          • eddie47d

            I could and will say the same thing about many of your comments Dave,The “Real” Bob and especially Jeff. I suppose you want to say Citizens United wasn’t real. Yes Jeff I could have you look up Deceitful and that would be picture perfect for you.

          • JeffH

            eddie, if telling the truth is considered deceitful then I guess “I’m guilty”.

          • DaveH

            Unlike you, Eddie, I can prove with references (and usually do) any thing that I claim.

          • eddie47d

            Considering that your references are sometimes biased and that makes for a shallow argument they lose their credibility. The same with some of Jeff’s. If you don’t think that Conservative or Liberal sites don’t peddle their own point of view without considering the other side then you are sadly misinformed.

        • Monte

          The 14th Admendment was ratified in 1868 and done so by means of coercion. It therefore waa never ratified constitutionally.

    • martin

      If congress lets him get away this bypassing them they are as bad as he is. I thought no money was to be spent without congress’s approval.

      • Patriot1776

        That is only true under the Constitution which apparently was only in effect until obama raised himself above it…

      • DaveH

        According to Judge Napolitano, Congress allocated that power (Unconstitutionally) with some bill a few decades ago. I can’t remember the exact content, but I think it was on Freedom Watch yesterday. I’ll see if I can find that episode.

  • notsofast

    Self interest is what drives most of us. As a former Tax Auditor, I testify that greed and the desire for more personal goods and services is alive and well with about 97% of the population…the task of good tax policy, is to take advantage of that natural human energy, create the least intrusion into personal lives and provide the security and services we need. Money is much like water…it flows where it can be with its “kind”. Therefore, where taxes are least, money tends to flow in that direction. Eliminate corporate taxes, allow money that has already been taxed overseas to flow back home, and golly, new plants, equipment, and JOBS are created. When the economy is growing and healthy, many of the 48% who currently pay no taxes will see the advantage of working or investing to get more money, goods and services, and their numbers will decrease; albeit the bottom 3% will always be with us.

    • clarence swinney

      Bottom 3% You puffing what?
      33% is better number
      46M of 140,000 on Food Stamps
      Now that is bottom. stop deceiving
      Today America has Most unequal distribuiton in history
      45% do not earn enough to pay an income tax
      80-20-0 is our wealth distribution 30-60-10 is equality
      A Revolution awaits when Konservative Freaks eliminate the Safety nets of a so-called Christian nation
      Inequality number one sermon of Jesus Christ.
      Hear any pastor preach on it? Pope. Yes.
      $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ IN THEIR EYE $$$$$$$ BUYS ANYONE

      • clarence swinney

        140,000,000 old sleepy goof

    • clarence swinney

      explain or spin or rationalize why
      1945-1980 great growth and hi tax rates on luckie duckies
      Bottom 20% gained more, percentagewise,in wealth than top 20% luckie duckies. Full employment.

      1980-2010 1% gained 281% in after tax income and middle class 25%.
      Jobs created by 3 Conservative presidents 99,000 per month just enough to cover new entries. Sorry Carter + Lousy Clinton got 222,000 or twice as many. 3 Big R got us into 10 foreign conflicts to aide conservative pals in pentagon suppliers. Added 9000B to 1000B debt
      Increased spending from 600B to 3800B less Lord Bill itsy bitsy

      Want Failure=Hire Republicans in Washington
      Want War=Hire Republicans in Washington
      Want Poverty=Hire Republicans in Washington
      Want Hell on Earth=Hire Republicans in WAshington
      olduglymeanhonest

      • John

        Vote tea party Machelle Bachmann.

      • FreedomFighter

        Damned glad Im voting for a conservative.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

    • eddie47d

      I think the author is drunk on Jack Daniels while writing this article. He says “every person is a unique individual” Sounds like a Liberal talking but wait does that include the handicap,gays,farm workers and the unemployed too or only the top 1% will be in his all inclusive category of special people? Then he says “majority rule is corrupt cannibalism”. So equality at the voting booth (one man one vote) will also be regulated to that 1% and the majority will have to sit on the side lines. That 1% will make the rules with their vote and cast their spell on us all for total obedience. That would be like the government and elites of Myanmar so how is that working out for them? We all receive benefits from taxes and all classes of citizens do. So in a sense paying taxes can be as patriotic as serving ones country so the author must not have a clue in how a nation functions to make such blanket statements.(No one likes taxes) Either that or he is hell bent on only catering to the wealthy. They have dozens of loopholes and write offs which can allow them to escape a big tax bite. Some say we shouldn’t tie the hands of businesses but if that was true how could the big players be making so much money in a recession.How could the Hedge Fund mgrs still be bundling their ponzi schemes and still coming away with billions. Then paying so little in personal income tax? The article should have been titled The Tyranny of the Corporate Minority. How about;How the Elites Snockered the Middle Class. Wouldn’t that be more apropo?

      • FreedomFighter

        There is no hiding the ball in the President’s populist pitch–and that ball is Obama’s desire to circumvent Congress and enact policies that appeal to his far-left, big-government base, regardless of the will of the people or their representatives in the House and Senate. Obama’s problem is that he failed to convince the American people–and his own party–to pass his latest stimulus plan (a.k.a., “the American Jobs Act”), and now he’s headed into an election season with 14 million jobless Americans, a 9.1 percent unemployment rate, stagnant economic growth as far as the eye can see, and nothing to show for it.–Heritage Fondation

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

  • clarence swinney

    Numbers Check
    32% and 38% Your Flat Tax Want it?
    Buffett paid 10% in 2010. 6M on 63M Income-
    Try 20M (32% Flato) hear him scream

    Total National Income is 12,000B
    Toal Consumer Spending is 10,000B
    Budget is 3800B

    Squeeze lemonade out of those three lemons
    Only via deception
    3800 of 12,000=32%
    3800 of 10,000=38%

    Si Amigo why even discuss such nonsense?

  • TheRealBob

    Paying a fair share of taxes is a good idea. i think that tax-consuming parasites like welfare recipients, disabilty fakers, government employees and vendors, and politicians should pay most of the taxes because they use most of the taxes. That is paying your fair share.

    • clarence swinney

      SORT OF ?????
      50% TAKE 87% OF AL INDIVIDUAL INCOME
      70,000,000 TAKE 13% AND INCLUDE THOSE YOU DESCRIBE AS SORT OF WORTHLESS.
      SUCH MENTALITY IS???

      • TheRealBob

        The point of your scribbling is . . . ?

  • Clint

    (1)Get peoples minds off their government by focusing their attention on athletes, sexy books and plays and other trivialities.
    (2)Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance.
    (3)Destroy the peoples faith in their natural leaders by holding the latter up to contempt, ridicule and obloquy.
    (4)Always preach true democracy, but seize powers as fast and ruthlessly as possible.
    (5)By encouraging government extravagance, destroy its credit, produce fear of inflation with rising prices and general discontent.
    (6)Encourage civil disorders and foster a lenient and soft attitude on the part of the government toward such disorders.
    Cause the registration of all firearms on some pretext, with a view to confiscating them and leaving the population helpless.
    In order that the masses themselves may not guess what they are about, we futher distract them with amusements, games, pastimes, peoples palaces.
    Soon we shall begin through the press to propose competitions in art, in sport of all kinds: these interests will fully distract their minds from questions in which we should find ourselves compelled to oppose them.

    • clarence swinney

      THANKS CLINT TRUTH HURTS

      BEST THING ABOUT THIS FORMUM LETTERS ARE LARGE ENOUGH FOR MY OLD EYES.PLUS BOB DOES NOT DELETE OPPOSITION THOUGHTS. I ADMIRE HIM FOR IT. SOME XXX ME WHEN I POST F A C T S COUNTER THEIR IDEOLOGY.

      I STRIVE FOR TRUTH NEVER TO DECEIVE. I ERR. OFTEN. I CORRECT.
      OLD87UGLYMEANHONEST

  • clarence swinney

    GOD BLESS AMERICA THE CHRISTIAN NATION
    JESUS CHRIST PREACHED ON INEQUALITY AS HIS MOST POPULAR SERMON
    HAVE YOU HEARD A SINGLE PASTOR PREACH ON IT?
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ GOT THEIR TONGUES?
    110,000,000 OWN 7% FINANCIAL WEALTH
    14,000,000 OWN 93%
    70,000,000 GET 13% ALL INDIVIDUAL INCOME

    JESUS WOULD KICK ALL PRIESTS OUT OF TEMPLES
    ACHMED MAD BOOM BOOM SIC EM JESUS
    olduglymeanhonest madmadmad at Inequality in America

    • Patriot1776

      If you would, please site one example of Jesus preaching on in-equality. When Mary anointed his head with the costly oils and Judas Iscariot berated her saying that the oils could have been sold and the money used to help the poor, Jesus’ reply was “the poor will always be with you.” Yes, he preaches helping your neighbor, but that never once included paying taxes to government so that they can do your giving. Jesus’ message was personal giving and personal sacrifice, not giving your money to obama to support illegal aliens.

    • TheRealBob

      Swine: Those who misuse Scripture in an attempt to support the lies of lying lieberal liars will face GOD as false teachers.

      • F86

        Tell me how that works for you when the Pearly Gates simply remain closed on you and you feel yourself on a long downward slide.

  • http://moniquer7 Merlin

    But should the silent majority remain silent and allow themselves to be subjected to to the Tyranny of the minority? Tyranny is still tryanny no matter how many or how few people are involved. If we just stay with the constitution we can avoid the worst of that.

  • FreedomFighter

    Impeach Obama befor he pulls the Martial Law trigger, burns the constitution and declares himself savior and chief.

    The mechanics and assets for Martial Law are setup, primed and ready to be initiated, the takeover is ready…”the board is set, the pieces are moving”…

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • William Bolton

      AMEN!!!

  • William Bolton

    Mob rule by increasing the population with a lot of people that do not understand that this is a Republic but want to bring the ways of their nation here to “make the USA better” is creating a huge problem that will end badly in civil war. The vote is given to people that have not earned it and do not want our nation to exist like they don’t want Israel to exist! Time to scrub this nasty group out of the toilet and require an examination for voter qualification and citizenship. That would scare the ell out of ‘em. Can’t pass it then find somewhere else to complain like the NEW Libya where they welcome the entertainment of perv destruction and enjoy ogling the ladies in their berkas! The freedom is increasing in the Middle East especially for the young ladies. No longer do they have the worry of education or career as now they are just property and man toys and can be put down like we do animals here. I’m sick of those defending Islam as it is just fascism under disguise as religion. Freedom of religion doesn’t work if you are executed for not being Islamic! The Imam of Jerusalem during WWII was a close friend of and brought to Islam the NAZI way and that is all they are. Denial by Islamics does not open up their nations to the eyes of the world and those that don’t know that a lie by an Islamic to an unbeliever is not a sin to them. Here is an Infidel that knows them well and they are worse than the worst warning you have heard.

  • William Bolton

    How is it that we are under orders of destruction by a great number of Islamic Imams and we have an Islamic president? He is hard at work doing it! Hitler also said he was a Christian! An Islamic lying to unbelievers is just lying to no better than dogs so it is no sin to them, but Obama is an Islamic and he proved it to me when he bowed to an Islamic King! In my own book the Islamics are not as good as my dogs because they will bite you after you are good to them. Get this less than a dog liar out of office NOW!!!

  • Mike

    We MUST pay taxes and we MUST pay MORE taxes. How else could we pay for all the mandatory spending put in place by the do-gooder liberals?

    You know what I’m talking about: Welfare, Unemployment, Medicare, Medicaid, a new form of healthcare, and worst of all interest on US debt.

    • 45caliber

      Mike:

      Actually the taxes we pay are not needed by the government to pay for their spending. They print that money. The taxes are meant to cut our income so we can’t reach a point where we might threaten those in power.

  • DaveH

    Robert Ringer said “The basic premise of majority rule is that good is defined as “that which is best for the greatest number of people.” Such a premise, however, is so vague as to be meaningless. Every individual has a unique set of circumstances, unique needs and desires, unique personality traits, unique fears and unique ambitions”.
    I would add one — Each individual has a right to live his life free from coercion as much as any other individual no matter how many individuals belong to the latter’s gang of individuals.
    The oft repeated Star Trek slogan of “The good of the many outweigh the good of the few, or the one” is just hunky dory for those “ones” who belong to the many. But it’s not so great for the “few” chosen against their will to sacrifice for the “many”.

    • 45caliber

      DaveH:

      Exactly. Every time I hear someone say, “we need someone to take one for the team,” it makes me cringe. Because THEY aren’t going to be the one who takes it. Someone else will.

  • F86

    In the reality of this age it’s socialism for the 2% ( in the form of huge one-way bail outs that are given as bonuses to the perputrators of this economic disaster and huge disparities in tax collections on the back end) and a rigged game of capitalism for the rest ( in the form of financing the Wall St. casino that sells worthless dirivatives – i.e. Goldman Sachs – at an inflated price that are design to fail and put people on the streets if they have one – just one – medical or financial emergency ). When these thieves are asked to pay just 3-4% more to put this nation back in the black ( over time ) you howl like a mashed cat screaming and sniviling about your rights being violated . The only reason you jackasses aren’t in jail right now eating stale grilled cheese with your pal Bernie Madoff is because you bought enough of our elected representatives to avoid it – so far. But the fact is you will give it up one way or the other, either being taxed a few nickels or with your head cut off, hung upside down to let the blood drain from your bank accoount. And don’t call my President a marxist, you soulless slugspecker. Asses like you don’t even know the meaning of the word.

    • JeffH

      F86, your president is a Marxist!

      “Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.” –Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist Saul Alinsky

      Obama helped fund ‘Alinsky Academy’: “The Woods Fund, a nonprofit on which Obama served as paid director from 1999 to December 2002, provided startup funding and later capital to the Midwest Academy…. Obama sat on the Woods Fund board alongside William Ayers, founder of the Weather Underground domestic terrorist organization…. ‘Midwest describes itself as ‘one of the nation’s oldest and best-known schools for community organizations, citizen organizations and individuals committed to progressive social change.’… Midwest teaches Alinsky tactics of community organizing.”

      Obama and the Cult of Alinsky: “True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, Alinsky taught. They cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within. Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process. The trick was to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions and political parties.

      “Obama is also an Alinskyite…. Obama spent years teaching workshops on the Alinsky method. In 1985 he began a four-year stint as a community organizer in Chicago, working for an Alinskyite group called the Developing Communities Project…. Camouflage is key to Alinsky-style organizing. While trying to build coalitions of black churches in Chicago, Obama caught flak for not attending church himself. He became an instant churchgoer.”

      • F86

        I see a lot of keystrokes but not much to ponder. I had a lot of things to say about Bush before he left office, enough to start a lot of arguements at the VA hospital I was in for a few weeks in ’07. But I did not call him a war criminal or Cheney a bloodthirsty coward of a chickenhawk while they were seated in the White House. When I see your info vetted and confirmed, I’ll believe it then, but in the meantime you might respect the office and the judgement of 58% of America.

        • JeffH

          Excuse me while I take a break and laugh…at you, not with you!

          Taken from Quotes and Excerpts from Rules for Radicals By Saul Alinsky – along with some background information
          http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm

        • JeffH

          Obama helped fund ‘Alinsky Academy’
          Teaches tactics of direct action, confrontation and intimidation
          http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=129361

        • JeffH

          Hillary, Obama and the Cult of Alinsky
          http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1930836/posts

        • JeffH

          Son sees father’s handiwork in convention
          The Boston Globe
          August 31, 2008

          ALL THE elements were present: the individual stories told by real people of their situations and hardships, the packed-to-the rafters crowd, the crowd’s chanting of key phrases and names, the action on the spot of texting and phoning to show instant support and commitment to jump into the political battle, the rallying selections of music, the setting of the agenda by the power people. The Democratic National Convention had all the elements of the perfectly organized event, Saul Alinsky style.

          Barack Obama’s training in Chicago by the great community organizers is showing its effectiveness. It is an amazingly powerful format, and the method of my late father always works to get the message out and get the supporters on board. When executed meticulously and thoughtfully, it is a powerful strategy for initiating change and making it really happen. Obama learned his lesson well.

          I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.

          L. DAVID ALINSKY
          http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/letters/articles/2008/08/31/son_sees_fathers_handiwork_in_convention/?s_campaign=8315

          • Alex

            Thanks for the Saul Alinsky info. Until I began reading Personal Liberty Digest I had never even heard of the guy.

            He sounds really smart, like a Lucy Parsons or Abbie Hoffman or Eugene Debs or Emma Goldman or Howard Zinn. I’ll have to look further into his keen mind.

            Again, thanks for the heads up!

  • drbillyjoe

    Everything you complained about in your article describes what Ron Paul believes and then you claim no republican candidate believes in these things. Since when did Ron Paul get out of the race?

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    Robert
    Tennessee is a Republican State so for this tax issue to be placed on a ballot show’s there is more to the issue then ether one of us knows at the present time.

    • Gerald Hughes

      SM Sgat——– I live in Tn, we have our pockets of quasi socoialist like every other state.
      I can only hope Jack Daniels picks up and moves taking 65% of the Jobs in Moore country, with them

      • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

        Jack Daniels will never move one of there clam’s to why there whiskey is so much better is the water.If they did move I’m sure the George Dickel’s distillery would be happy to make whiskey there.

        • JeffH

          sarge says “I’m sure the George Dickel’s distillery would be happy to make whiskey there.”

          Two things…

          1 – if ole George Dickel has to pay additional taxes in Moore County I doubt that he would even consider moving there.
          2 – George Dickel ain’t “Jack”

          • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

            George Dickel is better then Jack and it does not need all the fancy adds to sell it’s whiskeys

          • JeffH

            sarge…just your opinion…

          • eddie47d

            I think it is just your opinion also Jeff but you seem to think your opinions are overriding facts. When in reality they are only opinions just like mine.An opinion can indeed be a fact as I have said before or it could be pure conjecture. Some of us know the difference.

          • JeffH

            eddie again says…”An opinion can indeed be a fact as I have said before or it could be pure conjecture”

            Gee eddie, I don’t think so and beg to difer…never can an opinion be a fact…and that’s a fact!

            o·pin·ion [ ə pínnyən ]
            1.personal view: the view somebody takes about an issue, especially when it is based solely on personal judgment
            2.estimation: a view regarding the worth of somebody or something
            3.expert view: an expert assessment of something

            Synonyms: view, estimation, belief, judgment, attitude, outlook
            ____________________________________________________
            fact [ fakt ]
            1.something known to be true: something that can be shown to be true, to exist, or to have happened
            2.truth or reality of something: the truth or actual existence of something, as opposed to the supposition of something or a belief about something
            3.piece of information: a piece of information, e.g. a statistic or a statement of the truth

            Synonyms: piece of information, detail, datum, circumstance, statistic, element, point

          • eddie47d

            Get over your arrogance Jeff. If I state that Ronald Reagan was born in California and write it as a fact without knowing he was born in Illinois. Then it is an assumed fact but a wrong one. It other words it’s not a fact or an opinion just a simple mistake. If I said I think Reagan was born in California then it would be a guess or an opinion. Now if you want to play word games I can bore you as much as you bore me with this silliness.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Gerald Hughes

        Let them eat cake.Right?

        Qu’ils mangent de la brioche.

  • Joyceann

    I just heard Obama say he can’t get what he wants in Congress, so he will go around congress and do what he wants….he isn’t afraid of the American people. That is one dangerous man. We may not make it until the next election – we have a year left. What does he have in mind, and what will it do to this country. How long will the Tea Party wait to take hold of government? 2012 may be too late.

    • Karolyn

      He’s talking about helping people who are under water with their mortgages. I do think that they need help yesterday!

      • JeffH

        Unfortunately Karolyn, that is their problem. It is the governments meddling that created this housing collapse.

        The government-sponsored enterprises Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were encouraged to expand and buy mortgage-backed securities, including those formed with the risky subprime mortgages.

        Monetary excesses were the main cause of the boom. The Fed held its target interest rate, especially in 2003-2005, well below known monetary guidelines that say what good policy should be based on historical experience. Keeping interest rates on the track that worked well in the past two decades, rather than keeping rates so low, would have prevented the boom and the bust. The greater the degree of monetary excess in a country, the larger was the housing boom.

        The effects of the boom and bust were amplified by several complicating factors including the use of subprime and adjustable-rate mortgages, which led to excessive risk taking. There is also evidence the excessive risk taking was encouraged by the excessively low interest rates.
        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123414310280561945.html

        • F86

          So it’s not a crime if you can slip your illegal transactions by Freedie and Fannie? What a joke

        • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

          The Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission reported in January 2011. It concluded that “the crisis was avoidable and was caused by: Widespread failures in financial regulation, including the Federal Reserve’s failure to stem the tide of toxic mortgages; Dramatic breakdowns in corporate governance including too many financial firms acting recklessly and taking on too much risk; An explosive mix of excessive borrowing and risk by households and Wall Street that put the financial system on a collision course with crisis; Key policy makers ill prepared for the crisis, lacking a full understanding of the financial system they oversaw; and systemic breaches in accountability and ethics at all levels

      • 45caliber

        Karolyn:

        I’ve been “under water” as you say with a mortgage. I was out of work and couldn’t pay it. And I lost the house. I went on to get a good job and buy another. But when I bought the house (and had a job) I could pay the mortgage.

        If these people are in trouble, then they have to take the hit, not me. Why should I pay to help someone who bought a house they couldn’t afford in the first place and lose my own as a result? If I want to help someone, I’ll give the money to them directly. I don’t need Uncle Sugar keeping a good part of that money while he passes the rest on to someone who shouldn’t have had the house in the first place or who doesn’t want to take the hit themselves.

        • F86

          You would get a good pat on the head, a tootsie roll, and a 10 cent cigar from the bankster’s boardroom, just before they shove you out the door

        • Karolyn

          It benefits us all in the long run.

          • 45caliber

            How?

      • DaveH

        Who will pay for that help, Karolyn? Other people who are struggling but currently making it? Oh, I know, let’s take it from the rich. They don’t need it. Let’s just have a Theft Fest. We’ll just cast out all morality and the experience of history, and have a complete immoral and intellectual breakdown. That will solve our problems, won’t it?
        Why don’t we just cut to the chase and give everybody a million dollars? Do you think that would cure our problems? Why stop at a million, why not a billion dollars?
        You seriously need to take some time, Karolyn, and do some studying. Start here:
        http://www.freetheworld.com/2011/reports/world/EFW2011_complete.pdf

        Money does not grow on trees.

        • 45caliber

          DaveH:

          You are aware, of course, that you are now rich. So am I. So are ALL taxpayers. And that doesn’t count those working for the government since they would be only giving back part of the money the government gives them in the first place. Since the millionares who are members of the Democrat Party or give to them aren’t paying, it is left to the rest of us. And since the “rich pays”, you and I are now rich! Don’t you feel excited?

  • FreedomFighter

    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
    Ephesians 6:12

    http://vimeo.com/21573581

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • HarryButtle

    This article is not being honest.

    In a cut-and-dried analysis of IRS data, economists Thomas Picketty and Emanuel Saez examined America’s income going back to 1913. From 1949-1979, the top 1% never took in more than 12.8% of the total. When Ronald Reagan was elected in 1980, they grabbed 10%. That’s when things began to change. In Reagan’s final year in office, the top 1% of American households took 15.5% of the nation’s income. In 2007, the year before the crash, they were pulling in 23.5% of our pre-tax income, the highest level since just before the 1929 stock market crash that led to the Great Depression. From 2002 to 2007, the average inflation-adjusted income of the top 1% rose 62%, compared to 4% for the bottom 90%.

    If upper-middle and middle-class families had maintained their 1980 share of American productivity, they would make an average of $12,500 more per year. The size of our economy has quintupled since 1980. We all contributed to that success. But our contributions have earned us very little. Almost all the gains went to the richest 1%. This upward redistribution of wealth means a trillion extra dollars every year for the richest 1%.

    Aided by the Citizens United decision from a complicit Supreme Court, they use their great wealth to publish ads and pay politicians to tell us the cure for the ailing economy is more of that and that any effort to aid the other 99% is “socialism”, a catch-all euphemism for “stuff Republicans don’t like”. Despite this lop-sided advantage, the GOP “job creators” have been missing in action for ten years now. It wasn’t the government that crashed the economy, that out-sourced your job overseas and it wasn’t the government that ends up with your $12,500 every year.

    “There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”
    ― Warren Buffett

    • Karolyn

      I heard on the news yesteday that sales of luxury goods, like Mercedes, is are up and doing extremely well this year.

      • 45caliber

        I have no problem in the rich paying taxes on such luxury goods when cheaper is available for the poorer sector of our country. BUT – trying to tax the rich on wealth as such in most cases simply passes that tax down the the poor who are the ones buying the products the rich provides.

        A rich person may not run a business but they tend to be the ones who have stock ownership of a business. And they receive their income from the sale of materials from that business. If there is a tax enacted on their profits from that business, they simply raise the price of the goods to cover that tax – which means the buyers pay it, not them.

        If you want to hurt the rich, insist that ALL their vehicles, yachts, foreign homes as well as national ones, etc. be taxed by the US. THEN you can see them paying taxes. (Right now, they register as much as possible to some country like Puerto Rico that doesn’t have taxes.) But not on some profits from a business or rent property.

  • HarryButtle

    From Adam Smith’s “The Wealth of Nations”, the bible of free market capitalism, an endorsement of the graduated income tax.

    “The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. A tax upon house-rents, therefore, would in general fall heaviest upon the rich; and in this sort of inequality there would not, perhaps, be anything very unreasonable. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.”

    • 45caliber

      The major problem with this statement is that the rich will pay the tax on house rents – but the renters will pay that tax to the rich. Therefore any such tax will hit the renters, who are least able to pay it, rather than the rich. And if you believe otherwise, you are wrong. This is the reason that we insist that the poor are those who pay the taxes rather than the rich.

  • HarryButtle

    This article is not being honest:

    16th Amendment to the Constitution
    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

    Article I, Section 2, Clause 3:
    Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers…

    Article I, Section 8, Clause 1:
    The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises…but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States…
    Article I, Section 9, Clause 4:

    No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

    This clause basically refers to a tax on property, such as a tax based on the value of land, as well as a capitation.

  • CP

    I do hate to tell all of you this, but it is NOT the wealthy who are producing all our goods. The moderately wealthy may actually have a hand in the day to day operations, but most of those with extreme wealth depend on lawyers and accountants to make their money work for them. Bill and Melinda Gates are an exception to that rule, but one of the few. The man who goes out and starts a business doesn’t do so because he is already wealthy, he does it so he can have a job, and possibly make a bit more money. These are the people who we should be supporting, yet all I hear are yells to help the top one per cent, not the middle thirty.

    • 45caliber

      The real problem is that the government (both parties) includes these people in with the 1%. In fact, they include most of the taxpayers in that category, even though most taxpayers don’t make that much.

  • Terry Zelk

    Virtually everyone on this web site sound like they should all be Ron Paul supporters. I am. He has been espousing these very concerns for decades. Give him some support.

  • 45caliber

    The libs have always protested the rights of a majority to govern a minority – until lately. That was because they had a minority they were appealing to – those who drew money from the government. But now that is the majority – so they emphasis their majority and insist everyone must honor it. Like Hilter’s hatred of the Jews, the libs also want to have a minority group that they can drum up hatred for – the rich. Even though most of the vocal libs ARE rich, it is still a way to gain power. They can just insure that they aren’t the ones who have to pay any tax on the rich by making sure they have enough loopholes. (And if anyone actually believes they will not have loopholes, they are idiots.)

    The real problem is that most of the laws being passed are for minorities. There seems to be new laws for the “safety” of gays coming down every day – although those laws seem to be granting them more rights than anyone else has. (This is just an example – please keep your attention on the subject here. I could have given other examples – this one just stands out right now.)

    The tax payers are the real minority in the US now since there are more who don’t pay taxes than those who do. And the government (both parties) seem to ignore that minority’s rights.

  • catfish

    All Jack Daniels has to do is tell Moore County they are moving on down the road and taking their jobs with them. This is exactly the mentality that has sent other american jobs to other countries. This company owes nothing to this greedy county. It is retardation to think this company owes them anything especially with the jobs they create for their county. This is a perfect example of the dumbing down of america.

    • http://www.frank1737@msn.com frank1737

      Is this the catfish: David B. with the old Lenkurt Company??

  • Pete0097

    I guess that there will be several counties in the vicinity that would be interested in landing the Jack Danials plant. I know this county has a lot of empty factory buildings for sale and we would be interested.

  • http://www.frank1737@msn.com frank1737

    I will say this again and again. We should stop letting immature 18 year olds vote unless they join the U.S. Military!! They have a tendency to vote how mommy and daddy tells them to vote. Our Country has turned into a totally Socialist State because of the Democrat Party and 50% of the Republican Party! We haved to get in the mind set of voting out every Incumbent and have Zero Tolerance towards Voter Fraud wbhich really showed it’s ugly head under the Obama Administration!! It has been well documented that the Obama Administration and the U.S. Justice Departy under Holder is the most Corrupt in American History!

  • http://www.frank1737@msn.com frank1737

    Excuse several of my spelling errors but I really get pi-sed off with this country turning into a total Socialist (Communist/NAZI) State!!
    Vietnam Vet: 1962-1966

    • Alex

      Your anger stems from the fact that you guys got your butts kicked by a determined Vietnamese people and you have been unable to process that. Get some help. If you are a man or woman of faith, ask God for forgiveness for allowing other human beings to order you to kill other human beings. Next to bringing life into the world, ending the lives of others is the heaviest moral decision that a human being can make—to cede that responsibility to another human is absurd and dangerous. That is what the Crips and the Bloods and the KKK do.

      You were conned. Apologize and work to steer other impressionable young people away from a life in our mercenary military.

      • 45caliber

        Alex:

        And you actually believe what the schools tell you about history. Which is worse? Frankly, if you don’t know what happened in the past and take the government’s word for it, it is no wonder that the American youth is going downhill so fast.

        • Karolyn

          45 – You think that Viet Nam was a righteous war?

          • 45caliber

            Not really, although we tried. By we, I mean the military, not the government. What I meant was that what Alex said is wrong – and it all comes from the modern history books that attempt to hide what the politicians were doing.

  • Sail2pete

    Sail2pete says:
    October 25, 2011 at 2:47 pm
    Patrick — You sound like a defeatist and that is sad . Perhaps you should read the book by James Best, ” Tempest at Dawn” It is in novel form — a story of the founding of our nation and the toil of coming up with the plan for doing so — To begin with Patrick our nation is not a Democracy but a Republic. To give you the difference of the two –just a short example. A Democracy is twelve wolves and One lamb deciding what they are going to have for supper.. And that is what this joke of a President is doing with the help of a congress who was supposed to balance that power.
    Second we do have some very hopeful candidates out there and for you to say otherwise just shows you to be the defeatist you are. Pick a candidate Patrick and then support him or her. For me Herman Cain is the one and since he does not have any political experience he does not have any of that weakness of wanting absolute power . In his life he had to account to people. Nowadays our politicians account to no one except to those that furnish them money. And that is why we need term limits but very restricted ones. The limits we have now especially as a governor of a state is two terms and then one can go into another political office and after that he can go into another political office and eventually he can run for governor again as did our brilliant Jerry Brown in California. Lets get it so that politics does not become a career — there is no need for it. Our founding fathers were not career politicians and they hurdled more obstacles than we have today. They founded this nation — it is up to us to keep it and not by whining about how nothing can be done – You can do something —vote for Herman Cain or some other conservative candidate and if it must be a politician Newt Gingrich is as good as they come. — Pete Maniscalco

    Reply

  • James

    Hear, hear.

  • Alex

    Interesting that you throw Jack Daniels into the mix.

    What would Jack Daniels say if asked to compensate the hundreds of thousands of people injured by its product alone?

    One of the great troubles of this country is that we spend billions of dollars fighting drugs that do not begin to approach the lethality of alcohol and tobacco.

    Really, what is the moral difference between Pablo Escobar and Jim Beam? Who has killed more people?

    The Invisible Hand of the “Free Market” clutches at the throat of decency and life—that is in its design—-profit over anything else, even life itself. Our pathetic and whiny country has threatened other nations for attempting to refuse or regulate our poisons, tobacco and alcohol, while we kill farmers who grow coca, as they have done for thousands of years. Imagine if a Special Forces squad from Thailand shot dead Carolina tobacco farmers in the field in an attempt to save their children from enslavement to Phillip Morris—-what would Nancy Raygun say?

    • 45caliber

      Out of curiosity, do you drink, use tobacco, or take drugs? I suspect that you do, considering your age.

      • Alex

        Not sure how old you think I am or how you know it, but anyway, I am a former cigaret smoker and recovered alcoholic who never had a drug problem aside from those two proven killers.

    • FreedomFighter

      Your dialectic is false, a product of communist propaganda, you sir have been duped by half truth, slander and lies.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Karolyn

        Oh, Come ON, alcohol and tobacco are drugs! Alcohol is just a socially acceptable drug. Cigarettes used to be. I don’t see the alcohol producing companies having to put labels on their bottles though with pictures of smashed cars and broken bodies.

        • FreedomFighter

          I have never seen a bottle of booze drive a car.

          Nobody is forced to smoke…nor are they at this point ignorant of the effects.

          One Individual, responsibility for what they do, drink an drive or smoke and die of disease.

          As I said, dialectic is false.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

          • Alex

            So, then, everything should be legalized—-heroin, acid, meth, etc?

          • Karolyn

            Alex – Yes.

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          Karolyn
          You forgot to mention bar room brawls, fist fights or somebody going home and beating the hell out of wife,making an ass out of himself.Not counting the bathroom puking and the hangovers.

  • Harte

    A fine article about the tyranny of the majority. Have you ever noticed that people are all for more rules right up to the point it infringes on their freedoms? I prefer the Jeffersonian concept of government – except for the post office, people wouldn’t even know it exists.
    Realistically I am for higher taxes – for all. Immediately, and it’s gonna suck. Obama has to quit giving money away to ‘construction workers, teachers, police and fire fighters’ (his words)NOW. Just by coincidence these are his most unionized supporters.
    The US is in just as bad a shape as Greece, but it can’t print it’s own money anymore.

  • steve in AZ

    Thought the non-libs might enjoy this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDoYsBAyFb0

  • 4-just_us

    From the moment the constitution was signed we had a plutocracy. The rich elites took control and still have it. Real freedom wasn’t then or now. Slaves had to wait many years to be free,and women had to wait 120 years to vote. Its amazing how a few can control so many.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest R. Bryan

    All of you have totally missed the point. Obama is doing EXACTLY what he set out to do: BANKRUPT this country and move the Muslims in behind him.

    • eddie47d

      Two counts of lying in one full sentence.Atta boy Bryan.

      • 45caliber

        I think you totally missed the point.

  • Jon

    I think you are a little unfair to the police. A visible police presence can help prevent crimes from being committed. The problem is that it is very hard to quantify prevention. That being said, though, the police department’s and the “justice” systems main mission is to catch the bad guys after the fact, not prevention. And Mr. Biden and his friends ignore the fact that violent crime is going down in this country, not up, and money has little to do with. Crime decrease is directly proportional to the number of concealed carry weapon permits issued in that area. What a concept.

  • Bumba

    I agree with a sale tax. but not income. you earned that money, keep it. the gov isn’t repsonsible for creating jobs, people are. A busineess expands and more people need to be hired to run it. simple. We elected all those gov workers, and we can get them out.

  • https://www.facebook.com/#!/note.php?note_id=231962353516849 Jeff Chiacchieri

    When the American people suffered under King George III they drew up a list of his destructive offenses. In the Declaration of Independence, they cited his refusal to allow beneficial laws, his obstruction of justice by manipulating the judiciary, his erection of many new offices & his preventing the laws adopted by local legislatures to addressing problems. The result was Revolutionary War! A growing portion of our unemployed youth are bright enough to understand why America is now #16 in education, & #1 in spending for an education that focuses on political correctness/cultural diversity. The whole Wall Street protest movement is just another sign so many people are in the transition of awakening to political reality & at this point that partial knowledge is more dangerous for America than total ignorance. Many still at the stage of blaming Democrats, or Republicans, Obama, Bush or ANYONE with money, proving they are still missing the big picture that most of the US govt is run by, bought & paid for by the people who have amassed most of the wealth as the Top 1% of the U.S. population. Corrupt politicians representing their backers, NOT voters is the reality & they pass legislation that not only gives the super rich every advantage, but also free money through Quantitative Easing/Bailouts, not to mention zero accountability in the design. In addition, they own/control the mainstream media leaving the majority in America divided focusing their energies on decoys & partisan smokescreens.

    The existing power arrangements are once again reminding us, as they have throughout history, they will do everything in their power to see we the people never win. Decades ago Capitalism needed to be cleaned up to save itself, instead over the last 30 yrs, all by design it has become an unimaginable corrupt dysfunctional bureaucratic process that has been used to undermine its success. We are now living on many levels at a peculiar historical juncture. Its obvious Obama on behalf of his owners are doing all they can to pervert capitalism as much as possible to infiltrate America with as many enemies as possible, especially within our borders, to seize a dictators power. We the people can prevent the apocalyptic plan ahead if enough awaken to political reality. The creation of the middle class was a huge mistake for them and their goal is to correct it. Their next step is to bring down the U.S. financial system. The end goal is a final push for socialism to eliminate capitalism in the western world. The Federal Reserve is the granddad of collectivist monopolistic capitalism, all based in fraud. The only planned goal with occupy Wall Street from Obama UP the chain of command is to come out with martial law to initiate the next step to make Obama Dictator. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVdI4Kx8TdY

    “America is like a healthy body & its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within.” Stalin.

    I assume most agree there is no doubt the collapse of the dollar as the worlds reserve currency is in our future, but the question I have is before they allow that to take place will they create a world war? The whole world system is setup on debt money that is idolatry money that allows the constantly repeating cycle that gets worse with each generation until the cycle re-starts post every major war. The Obama admin role in Occupy Wall Street is a classic move right out of the Hitler play book. Behind all of that smoke is the same cartel that killed Kennedy, they have controlled every president since and now OWN wall street, the same ones that also backed Lenin, Stalin, Hitler & now today back Obama. Many cannot connect the dots because they dont know history so I recommend they watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CrNlilZho

    When everything is in place the Chinese, Japanese, Saudis & Europe will all dump their trillions at the same time causing mega hyperinflation. History is repeating itself, its debt that controls morality today by keeping un-restored balance, just as it has before capitalism existed, undermining it all along, the same trick being played out for thousands of years, & from a historical perspective; when creditors are dominating extensively, people need to see what it is that they are winning. Debt controlled simple social obligations, slavery, the disappearance of honor societies, the possibility of (extended) wars, the rise & fall of empires, the emergence of the great world religions, & the current financial crisis, all controlled by Debt. Until culture & morality are no longer controlled through debt by a controlling elite we cant stop history from repeating itself. Today we are near the point of revolution as has happened countless times in the past. More recent, just like Hitler Obama & those backing him would rather see America destroyed to a medieval level before giving up power/ownership of the assets, all because the necessities of preserving America for Americans are irrelevant to their goal of global domination. I can’t help but wonder how far will BHO & Company go if we the people are able to organize well enough before elections or even at the ballot in 2012 to stop & remove UNCONSTITUTIONAL government? What would Obamas reaction be if he thought it was inevitable? It’s not a humane vision when looking at his actions as President from a historical perspective. I hope the Generals are on our side of the Constitution because I am sure Obamas owners & the hundreds in OUR govt guilty of treason have several ideas to keep power for every step closer we the people get to taking back our govt & preventing Obamas Dictatorship.

    Once Obama is removed we cannot accept, as we have for decades, another puppet for the elites to continue controlling/devaluing everything. If we manage to elect in a President for the people he or she will be powerless if the Senate & House are not also taken. Self govt is a distant memory & totalitarianism is on our doorstep. Liberty was not meant so the elites could use this debt money system for the last 100yrs to eventually take over OUR govt & rob us all of everything, that’s why our Founders gave us this Constitutional Republic instead of a Democracy.

  • http://www.gillysrooms.blogspot.com Gilly

    Your Tennessee Legislators should be aware that Jack Daniels could very easily move their distillery to China and make their Whisky for a fraction of the current price employing much cheaper labour in China and thus much more than they think they will gain in revenue.

    Can I hear from any potential investors interested in setting up in China with me to make not only cheaper whisky but also cheaper and better Washing Machines than Electrolux currently make and sell?

    I dont believe in letting all your monopolies continue without competition, like Electrolux whom i purchased a Simpson Ezi Semsor Washing Machine last year and broke down after ONLY 6 months but they refused to replace or refund my money. A total waste of my $850 and Electrolux trashing its warranty reputation. I believe in competition to compete against multinationals like Electrolux. Im easily found Gilly from St Arnaud and our old gold mining town would love Jack Daniels to move to Australia if our taxes where any cheaper. I used to sell lots of JD in my Commonwealth Hotel before I closed it town as a Hotel and now have two restaurants in it instead. gillysrooms from St Arnaud, Vic 3478 Victoria Australia

  • http://mikecfly.blogspot.com Michael

    Everyone has their opinion on how to fix a institution that our politicians have systematically destroyed. The only way we can fix our problems,is get rid of the people who created them in the first place.
    Yet we keep on reelecting the same old idiots. Its time to clean house, and start fresh. Time is running out people

  • John Smith

    I have never read such a thoroughly biased, cliched, grab-at-anything-to sound logical bunch of drivel in my life. The author crucifies the idea of majority rule while conveniently forgetting that it determines elections. …And what do you suggest – where are your solutions?

    • 45caliber

      Then why are you on this blog?

  • Sam I am

    “Offhand, I can’t recall a single instance where a law enforcement officer prevented a rape or robbery… but, hey, there’s always a first time.”

    - Only a gun in hand can possibly do that.

  • Sam I am

    The irony is that the full encactment of the Democrat’s plans actually go completely against what OWS and other groups wants. MORE power cosolidation and MORE wealth disparity WILL OCCUR if OWS gets everything they want. Most of OWS is screaming for more government power and force, when it is government power and force that has resulted in millions of people dying among other ills.

  • russell walker

    Why is it that comments viewed as racism or racist are not accepted. Lets not be hypocrites and support Freedom of Speech with our words but NOT with our actions.

  • Jeffrey A. Williams

    There is no such thing as tyranny of the majority.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      You should have said tyranny by the majority who stood by quietly when social engineering was foisted on this country or maybe the majority didn’t notice because everything that was proposed was “to help The People,or The Workers,or The Children” and it was cloaked in religious language because we are foremost a religious people.

  • r.p.

    Sooooo many coments here and I haven’t read them all. patrick H.T. paine put forth a very knoweledgeable post way up on this thread, but for some reason many here can’t or don’t understand that this is neither a Democracy or Republic. It Is A “Democratic Republic”, bound by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. A democracy in itself is “mob rule” and will result in tyranny or anarchy if left to it’s own device. A Republic not controlled by the democratic process and restrictions placed on it by our Constitution presents the same problems. Mr Ringer presented some very good information here and I agree with much of it. Thomas Jefferson spoke about persecutorial taxes and this tax, along with other persecutorial taxes (cigarettes, gasoline, and taxes on the rich) are “UNConstitutional”. If we don’t hold our representatives accountable for their oath and the Constitution, we are still going to get the S.O.S. In the Vegas debate the candidates were asked which federal tax program would they support (Romney’s, Perry’s, or Cain’s). Ron Paul gave the only correct (Constitutional) answer, “NONE”.

  • msbetz

    Cheney has had 3 brain surgeries …. could have been lobotamy. Honestly, does brain surgery affect thinking and logic? Biden should retire.

    Remove Obama/Soetoro immediately!
    Article 4 of the 25th Amendment

  • excaliber

    When is congress going to wake up to obermers end runs and send someone out to sack him? They should send the entire pack after him and stop this stupid un-constitutional action, fire all his czars and get down to saving our country and our way of life.

  • excaliber

    I say impeach him immediately!

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