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TSA Above Justice

August 6, 2012 by  

TSA Above Justice
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Americans had no official say about being viewed in naked body scanners.

The Transportation Security Administration has had some hefty accusations levied against it — including perverted voyeurism, sexual assault, abuse of power and theft — by American citizens in recent years.

Yet, while a TSA agent can foist inconvenient and uncomfortable demands on travelers, the agency has, without explanation, failed to comply with an order from the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for more than a year.

Last year, a suit filed by the Electronic Privacy Information Center alleging the TSA’s use of naked body scanners violated privacy rights provided in the Constitution made its way to the court. The court did not rule on the Constitutionality of the scanners, but did offer a small victory for EPIC in ruling the TSA breeched Federal law by implementing the machines without public comment.

According to the Administrative Procedures Act, the TSA was required to have a 90-day public comment period to allow citizens a forum to share concerns about the scanners. The TSA shirked this responsibility in 2009 when it officially deployed its initial genital-viewing machines.

It has now been more than a year since the court ordered TSA officials to fulfill the public’s right to question its invasive tactics, and the agency has yet to act. Last week, the court granted a petition from EPIC compelling the TSA to respond to the request that they act on the court’s initial ruling by Aug. 30.

The court’s action comes amid other recent TSA headlines. The agency entered into its first union labor contract with its employees last week.

Even with the agency signaling that it is here to stay and seeking more power for its employees, critics like Senator Rand Paul (R.-Ky.) are continuing to push back against the agency. Paul currently has a bill in the Senate that would privatize airport security, though he doesn’t expect much Congressional support.

You can ask TSA to obey the law by signing a White House petition here.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    IF ENOUGH PEOPLE STOP FLYING, THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY WILL FORCE Transportation Security Administration TO STOP USING BODY SCANNERS – MONEY TALKS.

    • Vigilant

      Brilliant. You want to bankrupt private industry in a lame attempt to bring the government to its knees! Hint: the airlines have no more power over DHS than we the people do.

      • 45caliber

        Not flying may or may not influence the TSA into changing. But until they change, I don’t intend to fly unless it is an emergency.

      • Average Joe

        Vigilant ,

        “Brilliant. You want to bankrupt private industry in a lame attempt to bring the government to its knees!”

        Damn skippy! That is what is great about capitalism..we can make choices about how we are treated by both industry and governmenrt. Don’t like my opinion?….Delta is ready when you are….have a nice flight.

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • TIME

        Dear V,

        We allow these people to do to us – what we allow them to do.
        Its really that simple. If you pull the plug, then what happens? Change happens, many fear change as it changes what we know or how we are to behave.
        Yet we allowed these criminals to do as they wish by allowing them to GROW and FESTER after they were placed in power by other criminal’s. Who just for the record, have all made a TON of Profit on, saddly it was all paid for by the “Middle Class Americans TAX payer.”

        Yet the American people continue to let these Criminals beat them into submission by any methods they so wish, flase flag Ops, like 9/11 Pearl Harbor and the list is just to long to cover.

        If Americans just stopped flying years ago, all of this maddness would have stopped in a New York Second.
        But by allowing small encroachments on our Freedoms year after year the end results are really quite clear.
        We all become slaves to the Master Criminals who took over this nation 150 years ago, now – its just so obvious that no one can miss it anylonger.

        Thus replacing one with an other fails to ever fix the problems.
        Thats really quite obvious when one steps back and looks at the BIG picture.

        Again there is no differance between a D or and R when they are in fact the same coin! Its bought us nothing but FEAR / Hate / and Restriction on our Freedoms. Yet no one wants to look this evil in the eye and just say – NO MORE!
        Lets start over and fix the real problem.

        Peace and Love

      • vicki

        Even before TSA had a name, before DHS had a name I decided not to fly. It was easy to see the handwriting on the wall. History has shown us time and again what would happen.

      • Vigilant

        Acrage Joe says, “Damn skippy! That is what is great about capitalism..we can make choices about how we are treated by both industry and governmenrt.”

        That’s just fine, Bucko. If you don’t like prices or lack of services of airlines, feel free to boycott them. But the airlines don’t run the TSA. Boycotting the airlines doesn’t hurt TSA one damned bit.

        Politicians and special interest groups have nefariously used government to help or stifle free enterprise for decades. Taking CAH’s approach is foolhardy, as it’s nothing more than Don Quixote fighting windmills. It would hurt an industry that runs on razor-thin profit margins. If you believe that pushing industry into bankruptcy will change anything about the way DHS or TSA does business, then you are a pie-in-the-sky optimist.

        Unless, that is, you feel that the price of putting thousands of people in the airline industry out of work to satisfy your bile against TSA is worth it. I don’t.

      • Vigilant

        AJ, please pardon the typo on your name.

      • http://none Charlie

        All American’s use Federal Reserve Notes , the Airlines are using a real Machine to make the bankers more credit notes to finance real money , a metal machine is real money , never saw an airplane that was made out of paper credit notes…HINT!!! the Federal Reserve has NO real money , therefore America is broke ,just waiting to happen… FLY Delta first , United second , Alaska third , ONLY IF you really need to…

      • Average Joe

        Vigilant,

        “Boycotting the airlines doesn’t hurt TSA one damned bit.”

        Really? You mean if everyone stops flying…that there would still be a reason for TSA to exist? Exactly what would be the function of TSA in airports…if nobody is using the airports?…Hmmmmm…Wow…talk about “pie in the sky” logic.

        Delta awaits…..

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        THANK YOU, “Average Joe.” NOT EVERYONE IS “HOOKED” ON FLYING. I THINK MOST PEOPLE VACATION AT PLACES THEY CAN DRIVE TO; FLYING TO PARIS OR ROME IS A 1970s/1980s FANTASY FOR MOST PEOPLE.

      • Vigilant

        Average Joe says,

        “Boycotting the airlines doesn’t hurt TSA one damned bit.”

        “Really? You mean if everyone stops flying…that there would still be a reason for TSA to exist? Exactly what would be the function of TSA in airports…if nobody is using the airports?…Hmmmmm…Wow…talk about “pie in the sky” logic.”

        AJ, I recommend you follow this course of action:

        (1) Get real. Your straw man hypothetical of empty airports and planes sitting idly on the tarmac as a result of boycott is as realistic as believing that gays and lesbians will be successful in shutting down Chick-fil-A. It ain’t gonna happen.

        (2) Get honest. Yes, there would still be a reason for TSA to exist (in the mind of the government). ALL forms of mass transit are under the aegis of TSA, and they already have plans for encroaching in the areas of trains and even buses.

        (3) Get aware of the future your plan would bring to fruition. Mass transit vital to commerce would be brought to a halt, leaving millions more people out of work, both transportation operators and those who depend on them to get to work.

        (4) Get consistent. Choose the side of the political spectrum to which you wish to claim allegiance. You claim to support Ron Paul and Libertarian principles, along with the Austrian philosophy of free markets, yet would trash legitimate and necessary capitalist operations to satisfy a grudge against government.

        (5) Get some understanding. Boycotting airlines to get at TSA is a classic example of the communist philosophy of the end justifying the means.

        (6) Get some perspective. Cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face will simply give central government one more reason to step in and “regulate” an industry to the tune of General Motors. Is that what you want?

        (7) Get some maturity. Just because we have disagreed in other matters doesn’t mean you must automatically take an opposing and inconsistent point of view simply because it is Vigilant making the comments.

      • Vicki

        CAH writes:
        “NOT EVERYONE IS “HOOKED” ON FLYING.”

        Maybe not but I am :) At least when I am flying and not riding as a passenger in a plane belonging to someone else.

      • Average Joe

        Vigilant,

        “Your straw man hypothetical of empty airports and planes sitting idly on the tarmac as a result of boycott is as realistic as believing that gays and lesbians will be successful in shutting down Chick-fil-A.”

        Anything is possible…if enough people get tired of government intrusion and the abuse of power by the government.

        “Get honest. Yes, there would still be a reason for TSA to exist (in the mind of the government). ”

        Reading comprehension problems? MY statement:
        “Exactly what would be the function of TSA in airports…if nobody is using the airports?”

        “Mass transit vital to commerce would be brought to a halt, leaving millions more people out of work, both transportation operators and those who depend on them to get to work.”

        Eveyone is free to use whatever tranportation that they are willing to put up with…and believe it or not tranportaion modes and methods have changed over the milleniums and will do so i the future….or are we all riding camels? Actually, I believe attitudes will change with boycotts…..

        “Get consistent. Choose the side of the political spectrum to which you wish to claim allegiance. You claim to support Ron Paul and Libertarian principles, along with the Austrian philosophy of free markets, yet would trash legitimate and necessary capitalist operations to satisfy a grudge against government.”

        So, boycotting an industry because i don’t wish to be molested by the government, who BTW has no reason to be involved in Private enterprise is somehow inconsistent with Free market economy and capitalism? Buy a clue…that is how Capitalism works… nimrod.

        “Cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face will simply give central government one more reason to step in and “regulate” an industry to the tune of General Motors.”

        Arew you saying that they will force me to buy a car next?…Sorry, I will not comply…got it?
        BTW, I won’t own any product from Government Motors..overpriced, shabby workmanship…garbage….

        “Get some maturity. Just because we have disagreed in other matters doesn’t mean you must automatically take an opposing and inconsistent point of view simply because it is Vigilant making the comments.”

        Unfortunately, as long as Vigilant keeps taking these kinds of stands…I am afraid that I will have to disagree with you…

        The only thing that government and big business understand is money..cut off the money supply and attitudes change…quickly.

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • Vigilant

        Incredibly, AJ says, “So, boycotting an industry because i don’t wish to be molested by the government, who BTW has no reason to be involved in Private enterprise is somehow inconsistent with Free market economy and capitalism? Buy a clue…that is how Capitalism works… nimrod.”

        Talk about clueless…you have absolutely no idea what Capitalism is all about, do you? I should let your statement stand without comment, because on its face it is totally ridiculous.

        Take your blinders off, son. Your unbelievably ignorant comment is analogous to the following: a for-profit business selling widgets is forced to raise its prices considerably because of volumes of government regulations. You and others boycott the business because its prices are too high, to such an extent that it has to lower its prices where it can’t make a profit.

        Now, tell me, who’s going to suffer under that scenario? When that company goes bankrupt, who is thrown out of work?

        I can guarantee you that no government worker is going to lose a job over that, and the onerous regulations will remain in place. Buy a clue…that is NOT how Capitalism works… nimrod.

        It’s not even an “end justifies the means” argument, for the simple reason that the end is absolutely unachievable in the first place. You will simply kill the industry without achieving any modification of government tyranny; worse, you will give government the excuse to swoop in to “save” an industry “too big to fail.”

        Your cockeyed and misplaced contentions make me wonder if you are one of those “Trojan trolls” Brandon Smith refers to at http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/07/disinformation-how-it-works/#comment-667379

        They “Pose as a supporter of the truth, then make comments that discredit the movement: We have seen this even on our own forums — trolls pose as supporters of the Liberty Movement, then…make references to common Liberty Movement arguments while at the same time babbling nonsense, so as to make those otherwise valid arguments seem ludicrous by association.”

        You are one of three things: a person who is willing to kill a legitimate Capitalist venture to get at government (fruitless endeavor), a Trojan troll, or one who specifically WANTS to kill free enterprise under the GUISE of getting at government.

        You are no Libertarian. Don’t call yourself such.

    • john

      …the perfect example of “government agencies) way to large! this is obama’s dream machine!!

    • michaeljbeglinjr

      Ignore VIGILANT. This is the same thing I have been saying ever since the TSA started all of this crap. Some people are obviously well-trained little sheep and will submit to whatever indignity they are subjected to. It would NOT bankrupt the airlines, as they would stop doing it in a day or so of nobody flying.

      The only real power Americans have is their money, yet we hardly use it. Boycotts work.

      • Vigilant

        See my recommended course of action for Average Joe above.

      • Average Joe

        Vigilant ,
        Please see my response to your recommended course of action.
        Best Wishes,
        AJ

    • Marten The Canadian Libertarian

      Good luck with that

    • http://pweiters9.wordpress.com pweiters9

      8/8/12, I’ve never flown. I guess if I had to, I’d go luggage-less.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Vicki,” CONGRATULATIONS ON BEING A PILOT; A GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT.

  • http://www.facebook.com/loretta.perkins3 Farmer

    Vigilant: Hint: If the airlines are hurting, they will make their bought and paid gor senators and congressmen do something about it. Wake up and join the real world.

    • Vigilant

      Farmer, you would do well to wake up to reality yourself.

      Your “solution” feeds into the very thing you ostensibly despise. You’re saying you agree with corporate cronyism as a means to effect changes in government policy? Ridiculous.

      You agree that hurting a legitimate and useful free enterprise through boycott to achieve political ends is OK?

      Not only ridiculous, but pathetic as well. It’s the ACORN technique, my friend, and in an economy in which every shred of Capitalist effort needs to be preserved and strengthened, you want to give Obama & Co. more reasons to take over another industry?

      It’s ike boycotting the gasoline industry in hopes that it will force a reduction in Federal, state and local taxes on a gallon of gas.

      • nativetexan

        vigilant – as a lunatic liberal, you should give up on your government education and start living in the real world. The system of capitalism is built on supply and demand. If you don’t like a product, you don’t buy it. I don’t like flying so I drive or take the train. My dislike of flying is not related to the act of flying per se since I have been a private pilot for forty years. I will not submit to the dictatorial acts of a bureaucracy that I have no control over. When enough of us stop flying, the TSA will go away. When enough of us stand up and say no more to the idiots inside the beltway in Washington DC, we will take back our freedom. Now, is there some part of today’s lesson that you do not understand, vigilant. If there is, you need remedial schooling.

      • Vigilant

        “…as a lunatic liberal?”

        I’m happy I never flew in any of your planes, ’cause you obviously don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground.

        There’s not ONE liberal comment in my response above. If there is, you will kindly point it out to me, since my assertions were decidedly ANTI-liberal.

      • Vigilant

        “When enough of us stop flying, the TSA will go away.”

        Most certainly agree with that tautology, but that’s not the point. Here’s a hint: Enough of us will NOT stop flying, ergo, the TSA will not go away.

        You certainly have your head in the clouds (pun intended).

      • vicki

        Though we disagree from time to time, Vigilant is much closer to classical liberal (libertarian is the current name) than current liberal.

      • Vigilant

        Thank you vicki, I believe you’re right. Importantly, however, is that nativetexan was using the term in the sense I was, i.e., progressive leftist. As such, and I think you will agree, he was abysmally and egregiously wrong.

      • http://none Charlie

        Vigilant,, you do have lunatic symptoms “BUT” We think you are just among the many that are duped , deceived and deluded by The Satanic powers that be…

      • michaeljbeglinjr

        You are out of your mind, or off of your meds. Which is it? After a day or two of no passengers, the airlines would have TSA gone. Baa baa little sheep.

      • daniel

        Vigilant you are correct. Airlines operate for money and after they got bailed out by us they started to jack the consumer even more. The results have not been much good as far as answering to the public when it comes to complaints though. Unfortunately we pay for the TSA and the airlines will just ask for another bailout and get it with our money.
        Now wouldn’t it be funny if the courts decided to deputize citizens to carry out the shutdown of these machines until the TSA complied? I bet that a few airports would be shut down. I bet someone would notice.

      • Vigilant

        nativetexan, Charlie and michaeljbeglinjr would do well to refer to Brandon Smith’s PLD article today at http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/07/disinformation-how-it-works/

        Alinsky’s tactics #4 and 12 apply.

  • 45caliber

    Is this a surprise? After all, they are a government agency. That gives them exemption from any court order. All the rest do the same, right?

  • http://personallibertydigest Murray

    I’m against the machine but the alternative might be worse. The TSA has the power to do full body searches including your private parts. other country’s use this machine already. If you don’t like the machine don’t fly drive instead. Does the end justify the means.
    Also don’t forget we were attacked and this might prevent another attack. I don’t like when people over use their powers or abuse someone’s rights because their so called powers went to their pea brain. This machine should be used if the traveler fits a certain profile or that person is acting suspicious or not walking straight or normal.

    • sheryl

      This makes no sence!! Screen us at the airport but keep letting the terriorists cross the border, but don’t check them. It is just a matter of time before some tower will fall again or something even worse.

      • Vigilant

        Absolutely correct.

    • vicki

      Our best protection is and always has been our courage. Tell government that we have won the war on terror. Individually. By NOT being afraid and we want them to stop being afraid for us.

      https://secure.downsizedc.org/etp/not-afraid/

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        The first sign of illigitimacy in government is when the people fear the government and the government fears the people. Are we there yet?

      • 45caliber

        vicki:

        The government can’t control the people unless they are afraid. So they are attempting to teach the people (particularly the youth) that they should be afraid of everything and that only big government can give security from fear.

        The original Oxford dictionary defined terrorism as “government by fear.” That’s what they are trying for.

      • http://teamlaw.org/TrusteeMessage.htm Jazzabelle

        Christian American:

        Our Founders thought–and I think–that government fearing the people is a sign of liberty and the health of the state.

        On the other hand, you are right that people fearing the government is a sign of tyrrany and the illegitimacy of the government.

      • Vicki

        45caliber says:
        “The government can’t control the people unless they are afraid.”

        Which is exactly why we need to go to that website
        http://www.downsizedc.org/our-heresies
        And tell government to stop being (pretending) afraid for us. And while we are there select from some or all of the other petitions available. They are ALL good ones.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      You’ve got a point. All that we have do is start wearing yellow stars of David and line up to get our tckets on the box cars

    • 45caliber

      Murray:

      You said “…this MIGHT prevent another attack.” (my emphasis.)

      The problem is that it hasn’t after several years. Even if it MIGHT, is it worth it? I don’t think so. Israel doesn’t do this and hasn’t had this problem – despite their problems with the Palestinians. Perhaps we should do the same thing they do instead. It is a lot less of a problem, takes less time, and you don’t have to undress or get felt up.

  • dan

    It’s not about terrorism …it’s about CONTROL. If they can keep us from flying…they move to the trains and buses and to the highways. If they get you to submit to their degradation …they win. it’s about TYRANNY.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      You’ve kind of spelled out why the Founders penned the Declaration of Independence. Comparing that document with conditions today we’re long overdue for another one.

    • Vicki

      Dan writes:
      “…it’s about CONTROL. If they can keep us from flying…they move to the trains and buses and to the highways.”

      They aren’t waiting. They already moved to trains, buses, highways and even sidewalks.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNIY-mzJ0io

      • Vicki
      • TIME

        Dear Vicki,

        You are 100% correct, in Oyster Bay Long Island NY they have the street lights with the works. If you know what your looking at these are easy to spot. They also have them all over in that special place “the City State of the District of Columbia.”
        Keep in mind what I said about; empty the cup. Soon that will become very clear, most know very little of what these special Criminals are doing to us.
        I looked at the TV the other day, to see a US Navy addvert,
        ” The US Navy a Global force.” Can I get me a hello – NWO?

        How sad is that?

        Peace and Love

      • http://none Charlie

        Time, do you know why the USN is a global force ? check The Constitution and you will find that The USN is the only military force that has a on going non-ending “Budget”, so, they do most of the top secret black ops , that the American people have no idea they are happening … How many ex Navy guys do you know that are willing and able to talk about the USS Liberty treason?
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38…

    • TIME

      Dear Dan,

      You got it! Its all about “CONTROL and Dominance” over the people.

      The apple cart was fliped over first in 1860 – then again in 1871 and from there the CONTROLS started now they are going at a rate of speed thats blinding.
      Saddly they are really quite reserved and can wait out all restiance as they hold ALL the TRUMP cards now.

      When folks like us pass on the young will have no way to reist as they will not have any clues about when the flat tire started, nor that there’s even a flat tire.

      Peace and Love

  • SiliconDoc

    Just goes to show us the big government departments don’t have to follow the law, ever.

    It reminds me of Congressional oversight where for a long time now it is crystal clear from c-span and other reports that the Federal Bureaucracy can ignore Congress and obstruct oversight for as long as they please.

    I blame Congress in the end. They have the power, and never seem to wield it correctly, instead making empty threats and shirking their duties 99% of the time.

    • Vicki

      Eric Holder is a perfect example of ignoring congressional oversight with his refusal to provide documents and totally ignoring the contempt of congress ruling.

      Maybe he thought it was just them acknowledging that he did have contempt for them. :)

      And seeing how much punishment he has gotten for it he is apparently correct.

    • 45caliber

      Silicon:

      I agree with you. Congress doesn’t even bother to make the laws any more. Like with Oblamacare, they simply specify a need for something and allow the bureaucrats to make up the laws. Then if one doesn’t work they can blame someone else. In many cases, like with the EPA, they simply take someone Congress wrote and expand it so much Congress can no longer recognize it.

      Many are insisting we should change out Congress. (And I agree.) BUT … we won’t see any change in the government unless we get rid of the top bureaucrats and many of those in the middle as well. Government is set up for those in the offices down to the secretaries, not for the people.

      • Vicki

        A really good solution the the problem of bureaucrats is to push congress to WRITE the laws. We can push effectively here.

        https://secure.downsizedc.org/etp/write-the-laws/

        Rand Paul has introduced the “Write the Laws Act” (S. 3361) in the Senate.
        So we can push the rest of the senate to support and vote for the bill it will greatly reduce the power of bureaucrats.

  • duif100

    I have heard very little (if anything at all) about the TSA searches catching terrorists. With the controversy surrounding the TSA searches, and Obama’s need for some positive publicity, this can only mean that the TSA has accomplished no real results besides inconveniencing air travelers.

    The TSA is no more than a government agancy tasked with the job to make the people feel safer because the government is at work.Every traveler abused by the TSA and the periodic TSA controversies in the news .tell the population that the government is at work, and convinces the people who look for government solutions, that the government is protecting them.

    We long ago evolved into a culture where the “government for the people and by the people ” has been replaced by a “government for the elites and by the elites” to rule the masses.
    The US Constitution has been twisted, turned upside down, mutilated and murdered by the liberal interpretations. Congress has enacted many laws in violation of the constitution.
    in cases where the constitution clearly states “Congress shall enact no law restricting….
    I cannot understand how those laws have been enacted without first enacting constitutional amendments allowing this.

    “Congress shall enact no law” is not easy to misinterpret since it so definitive. But Congress and the Supreme Court have enacted/upheld laws in violation of this simple, interpretation proof statement in our constitution.

    Obama has made it very clear that he considers the Constitution an obstacle and wants to circumvent it. Congress through its actions has done the same. They only give you a false sense of security while stripping away your rights.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      Understand, catching terrorist is not the real reason the TSA exist, teaching YOU to be submissive to government rules and regulations is their goal. TERROR: A physical and or psycological act, violent in nature, committed to gain submission. If you are submissive to what’s going on, then they have won. They have this country living in manufactured fear. Like Ron Paul said: “If we weren’t over there, they wouldn’t be here”.

      • Vicki

        Indeed. Try resisting the TSA and see how they act. Terrorizing you AND everyone watching.

    • Vicki

      duif100 writes
      “Congress shall enact no law” is not easy to misinterpret since it so definitive.”

      They can’t even correctly interpret “…. Shall NOT be INFRINGED.”. Is it any wonder that they have trouble with “Congress shall make no law…..”?

  • Big Woody

    The TSA and Homeland Security are both over steps of our governmnet which has been and is ignoring the Constitution. The criminals in DC (both parties) are assaulting the citizens rights at an unbelievable rate. We now need a Gaundi or another MLK that can amass tens of thousands of citizens that are willing to go on sit ins and other peacefull protests. Kalle Lasn and Micah White of Adbusters (OWS starters), Ron Paul and Rand Paul would be good for this job. For maximum media coverage Michael Moore, Donald Trump or Sarah Palin would be good picks. Millions would follow. We are experiencing flash mobs at malls. Well, we need a few hundred citizens to go to the airports to just sit down and say no to the oppression of the TSA. Occupy Wall Street has the right idea but needs to move to the airports. Take every type of recording device with us. Broadcast live online. Post on U tube. Get names and pictures and post them of all law enforcement officers that over react. Let these officer’s friends and families know that they are the new gustapo and we. as Americans will not tolerate it. It is time to stop talking and start walking like in the 60s. I was there before I had a family and a career and willing to be there now that I am retired.

    • http://none Charlie

      Big Woody,,,good idea ,,,But,,,do you know what Admiralty law is ? that’s the law Aircraft and Airports come under ,,, can you lead and “Direct” a group of about 100 people that are willing to lead ,follow or stay out of the way??? We dare say you cannot even get together 100 people that even know what The Mayflower Compact is…
      The Bible tells you what the problem is with The American people , it’s called “fear and ignorance” see Hosea 4:6 for that info from King Jesus ,,,see Act 2:38 on how to conquer fear and ignorance … then …
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing …

      • Big Woody

        Thanks Charley. I do realize I probably cannot motivate the numbers that are needed to be effective. That is why I suggest people like Kalle Lasn and Micah White of Adbusters (OWS starters), Ron Paul and Rand Paul. Michael Moore, Donald Trump or Sarah Palin. All of these people (love ‘em or hate ‘em) have the ability to get people off their duffs and step forward and act. And all of them get front page coverage and wild reactions in the blogs. Can you imagine the backlash if Sarah Palin and Michael Moore both got arrested at JFK airport?

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    In my mind, people have forgotten what justice is. No, it’s not the opinion of 9 politicians donning black robes. Justice has its roots in the Creator and his word. The “Ten Commandment” and other transcendental laws, God’s laws. It has its roots in the word morality: “God’s rules of action and interaction. People are given LIBERTY by God. Liberty is the right to do anything moral: Period
    The TSA finds its justice in amorality: Operating outside of God’s rules. Because of that anything they want to do is just in their minds. In the America that was, John Adams interpreted the Constitution which is a document based on morality: “This document is for the governance of a moral and religious people. It is UNFIT for the goverance of any other”. We’re certainly proving his point.

    • chester

      Sir, if you go strictly according to the bible, am afraid our justice system is doing very well, indeed. The problem is, so many people seek, not justice, but vengeance, and we both know who THAT belongs to, I hope. But, if you think things can be done better, no argument, the sticking point is how we go about getting what needs doing done, Oh, and remember,what you or I want done may not be what needs done.

    • Vicki

      The Christian American writes:
      “The TSA finds its justice in amorality: Operating outside of God’s rules. ”

      And outside of the rules of this Republic. 4th amendment and all that :)

    • http://none Charlie

      What is The Jurisdiction of King Jesus Christ ? that’s what We thought you don’t know…
      A smart “Christian” Never wants “Justice” from “God” , he / she wants Mercy and forgiveness ,,, your Honor ain’t so honorable , “they” have been “Busting” Biblical Law and Constitutional law for years … So what are you going to do about it? IF,,, you are a smart “Christian” you will claim and proclaim The Jurisdiction of King Jesus Christ , The King of America… Don’t know how ??? Well check and figure out what your “Gift” is from Acts 2:38,,,that “Gift” from Acts 2:38 IS your “Power Point” , use it…

  • Pat

    I consider the acts of the TSA unconstitutional, illegal and immoral and will not fly under these conditions Pat

    • http://none Charlie

      Pat, you have a valid point ,,,BUT,,,what so called government agents in America are operating under Constitutional law or Biblical Law??? TSA is a NGO , that means they are subcontractors for USA Inc. , USA Inc has taken over America with The Forces of Darkness and when America is taken back it will be with The Power of Light and “Truth” under The King of America…

  • http://rightgunner.wordpress.com rightgunner

    Perhaps we citizens should work to find an agreeable airline. That airline, if approved by the FAA, would be able to fly aircraft in which all passengers would have signed a release for not having government passenger screening. The airline personnel and pilots would have approved the plan, and the passengers would so agree that the activities that the airline performs are sufficient for the level of safety that they desire.

    Then these passengers would be guided through a secured corridor to a secure waiting room for the flight. The airline is responsible for baggage checking or other security measures that it decides to take, and the passengers board in agreement that the airline is safe for them to fly. However the aircraft should be able to carry armed civilian guards on some flights, hired by the airlines but reporting to the pilot, if the airline desires.

    It is likely that an airline can set this up and make it convenient for the passenger, then it will soon be overwhelmed with passengers and other airline’s will quickly follow. However it is also likely in such a situation that the TSA may attempt to sneak weapons or a fake bomb on board to try to protect their jobs, so the airline must have the right to disable any terrorist or terrorist impersonator that they discover, with any means they feel appropriate for the situation.

    If the day the airlines began flying again after 9-11, the public was asked if they wanted to be safe, they would likely have answered yes. However the public was not given a choice, and even if they had and answered yes, they would never have chosen the degree of ridiculousness that the TSA has invented.

    The TSA cannot ever perform sufficient safeguards to guarantee that no flight will ever be bombed in the future, just as the Post Office cannot guarantee your package will arrive unharmed to where you sent it, nor can Mr. Obama state that his healthcare will allow you to get a doctor that you trust when you really need it.

  • lightcrosser

    TSA is genetically related to Hitlers brown shirts, they can do damn near anything fondle children repeated scan females and intimidate people. If you object you are labeled a terrorist. The TSA and patriot act are both blatantly unconstitutional. If everyone quit flying for one week the TSA would be eliminated. For the liberals it would be cheaper to put an armed air marshal on every flight, or gasp put up huge signs stating ten per cent of oru passengers are armed feel lucky punk. Then allow CCW people to carry with weapons loaded with frangible bullets. For heavens sake the towers were brought down by a bunch peace loving muslims armed with box cutters. What kind of sheep would let that happen. over a hundred people on each plane and they did nothing to defend themselves. Funny how the one plane from the Midwest crashed with people fighting back. Boycott flight for one week spread it around ]I quit flying when the TSA came into being, I flew to Alaska shortly after the TSA came into being and decided to never fly commercial again. I almost got arrested when this pedophile was going to pat down my two year old daughter. He didn’t get it done but I had two supervisors backed into a corner. STand up and defend your rights money talks (expletive deleted) walks.

  • Alice Scofield

    That’s what I get for reading this on Saturday! The petition is already closed. How long do these petitions stay up for the public? Said it was closed for lack of support?

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