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Trump Blasts Mainstream Media, Questions Obama’s Birth Certificate

June 5, 2012 by  

Trump Blasts Mainstream Media, Questions Obama’s Birth Certificate
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Donald Trump wants more proof that Obama was born in the U.S.

During a speech on Saturday, Donald Trump conveyed that Mitt Romney might have a chance in November if the media would quit lying.

While speaking at the North Carolina Republican Convention, Trump said that reporters are “really dishonest.” He added that “the biggest thing Mitt Romney has to fear is the press. They don’t tell the truth.”

Staying true to form, Trump also questioned the birthplace of President Barack Obama. The State of Hawaii recently responded to Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett’s request to provide proof that Obama was born in Hawaii. Bennett claimed he received a satisfactory response, but an original Obama birth certificate has still not be released.

Trump still has questions. He believes Obama’s college records would herald the truth.

“There’s one line called ‘place of birth.’ I’d like to see what he said. It would be very interesting. I don’t care what his marks were. I don’t care if he had good marks, I’d just like to see ‘place of birth,’” said the real-estate mogul. “Perhaps it’s going to say Hawaii. Perhaps it’s going to say Kenya.”

“I’m sure I’ll get in trouble for some the things I said, but I don’t care,” he added.

Bryan Nash

Staff writer Bryan Nash has devoted much of his life to searching for the truth behind the lies that the masses never question. He is currently pursuing a Master's of Divinity and is the author of The Messiah's Misfits, Things Unseen and The Backpack Guide to Surviving the University. He has also been a regular contributor to the magazine Biblical Insights.

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  • Jon

    I’ll take Donald Trump seriously when he does SOMETHING with that head hair of his.

    • Karolyn

      Ain’t THAT the truth! I do not get how an intelligent person can look in the mirror and take HIMSELF seiously with that “do”.

      • Kinetic1

        The key word here is “intelligent”.

    • upaces88

      Isn’t that the truth!!!

  • Doc Sarvis

    In case the Birthers needed further proof that they are out of touch (to say the least) – Trump gives that iron clad verification.

    • Dale on the left coast

      You’ve seen the BC . . . have you doc? Not the forgeries released so far . . . the real thing ! ! !

    • http://gravatar.com/wtfaz wtfaznot a oboma lover

      here is the proof doc.now what do you think about your messiah?
      http://www.wnd.com/2011/08/336889/

  • Lenard Jacobson

    I must agree with Mr. Trump, there would sem to be enough other evidence to question Mr. Obama’s place of birth beyond a birth certificate. He travelled to Pakistan as a young man at a time when it was not permissable for a US citizen, he went to college in Californa as a foreign student. The American media prints nothing of the truth in regards to a number of legitimate reasons to question his citizenship. Why does he use a SSN of another person in Connecticut?

    • Robert Smith

      Can you prove Romney isn’t a unicorn?

      Rob

      • Doc Sarvis

        Thanks Robert Smith. I was about to ask the very same thing.

      • profhambone

        Well, he has been known to associate with magic underwear…….

      • Norm

        He has a vacuum in his head where the horn would have to be.
        So does trump for that mater.

      • mac

        Prof Hambone – ‘holy water’ compares to ‘magic underwear.’ If Mormons can’t have magic underwear then Catholics can’t have holy water.

      • CherokeeDan

        Can you prove you’re not a moron? Your posts (and Docs’) indicate you may be.

        • jim

          Hello. If u are really Cherokee stop arguing in favor of any of the elites selected stooges. Remember when yr tribe believed them last time. Nothing has changed except that the 99% are the tribe this time. Interesting note aside: Google George H. Scherf(f) and explore the texts. Best to you.

      • Ken

        @Cherokee Dan;

        Naaaaaahhhhhh! Sarvis and Robby aren’t moron’s!!!! Their ZOMBIES of the APOCALYPSE!

      • Ken

        VOOOOOOTTE FOOOOOORRRRRR OBAAAAAAAAMMMMAAAAAAA! RAAAAAAAGGGGHH!

    • Walt

      All this fuss about where Bo was born is not relavent. Even if God verified that he was indeed born in Hawaii, that only makes him a citizen. Being a U.S. citizen, born in U.S. territory is NOT sufficient for eligibility to be President of the United States.

      One must be a “natural born citizen”, which requires that BOTH parents must either be born in the U.S. or natiralized U.S. citizens at the time of a person’s birth.

      All this nonsense about where Obama was born is just confusing the real issue, which is that Obama’s father was NOT a U.S. citizen and therefore Obama was never eligible to be President in the first place.

      This “natural born citizen” requirement also applies to Marc Rubio, whose parents were not naturalized citizens at the time of his birth.

      • profhambone

        Wouldn’t it be great if the USA could hire the best statesmen in the world rather than be forced to choke down “natural born” liars like Romney and Obama……..

      • RichE

        Walt,
        I’m quoting ehancock

        “… not a single SCOTUS case has ever said that two parents are required. In fact, not a single SCOTUS case has even said that one parent is required. There is, however, the Wong Kim Ark SCOTUS case, which ruled (six to two, one not voting) that EVERY child born in the USA is Natural Born.”

      • Thinking About

        Try reading US Code Title 8, Section 1401 and you will find the requirements for being the president of the United States, and the specific is a parent. Obama could have been born anywhere and with his mother being a citizen fo the US it allows him to have citizenship here also. I know this is not going to make any difference with the birthers or Donald Trump but at least you will have the correct information whether you choose to use it or not. Donald should take his information to court to prove he is right but that has not happened. The Donald loves the cameras, probablly is getting ready to do another show and this is free advertizements. BTW, there have been 7 presidents which have not had both parents as citizens so keep up the game. Also, Rubio and Jindal who many wants as VP, neither was born of parents who was citizens at the time of their birth.

      • AZ-Ike

        You are correct, Walt, a natural born Citizen is born IN the Country to parents who are both citizens OF the country. As children always automatically take on the citizenship of their parents, the above is the only possible definition of a natural born Citizen. Therefore, a child born in the U.S. with one or both foreign parents, also automatically claims dual or multiple citizenship at birth, possibly owing allegiance to other countries–and is never a natural born Citizen.

        RichE, Wong Kim Ark case refers to 14th Amendment citizenship. Any time a citizen becomes a citizen by written law, that citizen can never be considered ‘naturally born a Citizen.’ Throughout this case ‘citizenship’ is referred to according to the 14rh Amendment–citizenship by law.

        To Thinkabout, I have not read US Code Title 8, Section 1401, but if it does actually state only one citizen parent is required to become President of the U.S., then the law is unconstitutional because it negates Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution. The Constitution cannot be changed by law–only by Amendment, ratified by the sovereign People.

        As stated in numerous supreme Court cases, it has never been doubted that a child born in the country of parents who are its citizens is himself a citizen. That is a native, or natural born Citizen. But a for child born of foreign parents in the country there is doubt. ‘Native born’ has been used to refer to any child born in the U.S., but it does not necessarily equate with ‘natural born’ Citizen.

      • ehancock

        The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not the parents.

        “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

        And recently four state courts and one federal court have agreed, ruling specifically on Obama that the meaning of NBC was defined by the Wong Kim Ark case, and that it includes every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats.

    • Kinetic1

      Lenard,
      Obama was born in Honolulu, zip code 96814. The zip code for Danbury CT is 06814. Since the region number of the SS number is based on where the request was to be mailed and NOT where the person was born, simple human error can explain why Obama’s SSN has the Danbury code.

      Of course, if you’re bound and determined to get rid of the President by any means possible you can just claim that it was a purposeful part of a larger scheme to take over the country starting with falsifying the birth records of a foreign born child back in the 1960s. Of course that would require believing in an organization so powerful that they could guarantee that this one child would rise to the Presidency. Perhaps there are dozens of such children, born and bred for this same purpose? You know, just in case one dies in an accident or from an unexpected illness.

      By the way, President Obama did NOT go to school as a foreign student. The whole Fulbright scholarship (given only for advanced study, not undergraduate work) story has been proven to be part of an April fools prank, although that hasn’t stopped the “birther” groups from running with it for the past 3 years. Neither has the evidence showing that there was NO ban on travel to Pakistan in 1981. The only thing the U.S. State Department issued that year was a travel advisory. Why would they issue a travel advisory for a country where travel was prohibited?

      • Walt

        Your comment about a “mistake” regarding the ZIP code is nonsense.

        The SS number (042-68-4425) currently being used by Obama was issued to a man named Jean Paul Ludwig, born in France in 1890 and emigrated to the U.S. in 1924 and spent most of his adult life in Connecticut. Ludwig was assigned the above SSN in March of 1957. However, Ludwig spent the last few months of his life in Hawaii, where he died. Conveniently, Obama’s grandmother worked in the Probate Office in the Honolulu Hawaii Courthouse, where she had access to the SS numbers of deceased individuals.

        It is alledged that Madelyn Paine Dunham scoured the records for somebody that had not received Social Security benefits and selected Mr. Ludwig’s SSN for her grandson to use.

      • Karolyn

        No, YOUR comment is nonsense! I just posted a link to an answer to the Social Security # business last week. Don’t have time to find it again right now.

      • Karolyn

        Kinetic – I just love the story of a baby being born in Kenya, whose grandmother gave him somebody else’s SS # and who lived a secret life until he was discovered by the PTB and groomed to be President of the US. Yes, out of millions, he is the chosen one.

      • Kinetic1

        Walt,
        A little research and you’ll find that Mr. Ludwig lived until 1981, long after President Obama received his SSN. Not to mention the fact that they are not even the same numbers.

        Yes Karolyn, feeding from the birther trough will apparently lead you to believe anything.

      • Ken

        His grandmother already admitted publicly that Sotomo born in Kenya – AND SHE WAS RIGHT THERE AT THE BEDSIDE.

        Obama has said publicly that he wasn’t born in this country.

        All records indicate he has illegally used false identifications (as mentioned above!).

        He has spent between 1 and 2 MILLION DOLLARS to cover this issue up!

        He has release TWO (COUNTEM, TWO ) FALSE DOCUMENTS HE CLAIMS TO BE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATES!

        UH-DUUUUUUUUUHHH! YA THINK SOMETHIN’ MIGHT BE WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE!!!!

        45CALIBER WAS RIGHT!! There is a Zombie infestation in this country – and it’s infected nimrods like you!

        Vooooote for OBAMAAAAAA!

        MUSSSSSST VOOOOTE FOOOOOOR OOOOOOBAAAAAAAMMMMMMAAAAAAA!

        {Snarlllll, Growlllllll!!!!}

    • ehancock

      It is a birther lie that Obama traveled to Pakistan at time when US citizens were not allowed. The simple fact is that they were allowed. Pakistan was not on any “no travel list” nor did it keep US citizens from visiting in 1981. In fact, it was eager to have US citizens visit, and the US government certainly did not bar us from visiting a US ally. US newspapers even ran travel articles recommending visiting “scenic Lahore.”

      • ehancock

        Re: “His grandmother already admitted publicly that Sotomo born in Kenya – AND SHE WAS RIGHT THERE AT THE BEDSIDE. ”

        That is a birther lie, a deliberate lie. The transcript of the tape recording, and the tape itself, both show that the Kenyan grandmother repeatedly said that Obama was born IN HAWAII. The birther sites simply cut off the recording before she answered the question: “Whereabouts was he born.” And, in another interview, she said that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter from Hawaii.

        Re: “Obama has said publicly that he wasn’t born in this country. ”

        Answer: No, that is a forged video.

        Re: Spent millions covering up.

        Answer: No, that also was made up by birthers. In fact, Obama has shown his birth certificate twice—short-form and long-form—and three Republican and several Democrat officials in Hawaii have confirmed the facts on them. The existence of a birth certificate for Obama is also confirmed by the Index Data–a public volume that has been out there for years and which show Obama’s birth certificate listed under 1961. And it is confirmed by the birth notices in the Health Bureau Statistics section of the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which at the time were sent to the papers only by the DOH, and at the time the DOH only sent out the notices for births IN Hawaii.

  • Les Wood

    Donald Trump was by no means the first nor will he be the last one to question Obama’s place of birth. There are so many questions about who Obama “really” is, that any person with a brain would have to “reason” that the man is a fraud in many, many ways. Dates don’t line up right. Travel of the “student” Obama doesn’t add up. The multiple records of social security numbers for the man does not add up. The number sequence of the birth certificate does not jibe. The “doctored” up copies of the birth certificate are as phoney as the man. The non-allowance to see “any” school, medical or other pertinent records that would normally be available for proof of documation and time periods, are “very” suspicious. The books that have made him a millionaire not even written by him, but “Ghost” written and… made up for the most part by people who are enemies of our “free” nation. The fraud goes on and on.
    How does this fraud completely escape the intelligence of “thinking” people? Has our schools “dumbed down” our citizens that much?

    • ehancock

      Re number sequence of birth certificates: Who told you that they were supposed to be in chronological order????

      WND has found a Hawaii birth certificate later than those of the Nordkye twins, who themselves were one day later than Obama. And this third birth certificate had the lowest number.

      Obama has shown his short form and long form Hawaii birth certificates, and three Republican and several Democrat officials in Hawaii have confirmed the facts on them. And the existence of a Hawaii birth certificate for Obama is further confirmed by the public Index Data file:

      http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html

      and by the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961. At the time the birth notices were only sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii,and only for births IN Hawaii.

      • http://annebeck58.wordpress.com annebeck58

        You know, I was with you until you said that he had shown his long and short-form birth-certificates, as each (one in multiples) have been proven to be forgeries.
        Until and unless he does come up with proof (who does not have his or her b/c these days?) that he is what and who he says he is, questions will always be there.
        Still, I don’t not want him a POTUS due to any of this (even if his unwillingness to just put the proof out there and to be done with it feels very sneaky and underhanded). I want him gone for all of his failed promises, his lack of caring when it came to signing NDAA, his failure to stop all of these wars, and his decisions to bomb other nations we should simply leave alone.

        There are plenty of reasons to not vote Obama. Who cares (to an extent) about the B.C. B/S? I would also never vote for Romney, as these two are brothers from different mothers. I’d only go with Ron Paul, as only he cares about this country and US.

      • http://annebeck58.wordpress.com annebeck58

        One final thing, “e”; it was not the health-department (anywhere) that posted these announcements. It would be family who’d have sent the information in to the local newspaper(s). And, no, the birth-certificate was not used as any proof to state such information was true. These birth announcements were akin to brag-books; “look at what my kid did!”
        That’s all.

  • http://peresonallibertydigest.. gottaplenty

    His total life has been a lie and those that believe anything he says love lies

    • Norm

      And those that exibit intense hatred toward him are master liars, spin masters, and as in the case of Trump, idiots.

      • http://google gary gerke

        If the man has nothing to hide why is he not forth coming with all the information that he is hiding. Why would anyone spend close to $2 million dollars to hide that information!!!!!

      • http://google gary gerke

        As usual the liberals revert to name calling when they have no facts to back up thier accusations of lying and cheating. Why is it they deny the obvious, yet refuse to say why they feel Obama is hiding his information with court orders

      • THG 1956

        For someone who used TRANSPARENCY as part of his promises , he certainly has covered EVERYTHING in his past . I guess all that HOPE and CHANGE was I HOPE they don’t find out before I can CHANGE it .

      • Kinetic1

        Gary,
        Claims about Obama’s post election legal spending claim that he spent millions to secure his documents. In truth, any candidate will have to spend that kind of money wrapping up the legal aspects of an election.

        • http://google gary gerke

          Please, your response is insulting, who in their right mind would consider college transcripts important enough to spend millions to hide them? and why?
          Think about it!

      • mac

        Norm, hatred has nothing to do with whether the subject of the hatred is a fraud or not.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Norm . . . why don’t you write down all the facts you know about O’bammy? The “Real Provable” Facts . . . will be a short list.
        Like the Gorebull Warming “Believers” . . . obammy bots are some of the most clueless folks on the planet. This man is driving the USA over an economic cliff . . . and the dopy dimmicraps are cheering on the sidelines . . .
        I said back in 08 . . . this guy “O” . . . has the thinnest resume of any politician I have ever seen . . . it would be hard to pick up if you dropped it on the floor. He has associated with “Radicals” all his life and now has a gaggle of 60′s radical nutbars in his cabinet . . . nothing to be concerned about here folks . . . LOL . . . as the EPA and Homeland Security destroy America as we knew it ! ! !

      • CherokeeDan

        Simple question, Norm….Why did the POTUS present a falsified birth certificate as evidence of his eligibility?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        WHO BELIEVES THE LIE THAT ANYONE CAN BECOME PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A.?

        Ruling the World is a family affair, check out the bloodlines:
        All 44 men who were Presidents of the U.S.A. are related!

        The odds of all 43 Presidents being related, and this just randomly happening, are billions to one.

        Democratic and Republican candidates are “chosen” by the “Elitist” super rich organization called the Illuminati. Every president must be part of the bloodline.

        This information has been brought out on CNN, The NY Times, The Washington Post and other top media outlets. They bring out this information knowing that most people would find it more amusing than to protest it.

        Obama is related to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.

        McCain is related to six former presidents.

        The Illuminati bloodlines are established via a matriarchal lineage. (On the Mother’s Side)

        In an interview on MSNBC, Mrs. Cheney said that in the course of researching her husband’s genealogy for her new book, “Blue Skies, No Fences,” she discovered that the two public figures share an ancestor eight generations ago.

        Obama is related to Cheney through Mareen Duvall, a 17th century immigrant from France. Mareen and Susannah Duvall were Obama’s great grandparents times 9 and Cheney’s great grandparents times 8.

        That makes Obama and Cheney ninth cousins once removed.

        But Obama’s family ties to the Bush administration don’t stop with Cheney. According to an article in the Chicago Sun-Times last September, Obama is also an 11th cousin of the president himself. The two share a 17th century Massachusetts relative.

        President Barack Obama, who has made his opposition to the Iraq war a linchpin of his campaign, is distantly related not only to President George W. Bush but also to another wartime leader — former British Prime Minister Winston Churchill.

        Because of his shared ancestry with President Bush, Obama is also indirectly related to his rival on the Republican side, Sen. John McCain.

        McCain, it turns out, is a sixth cousin of First Lady Laura Bush.

        Meanwhile, Sen. Hillary Clinton, is related to beatnik author Jack Kerouac, Canadian Prime Minster Pierre Trudeau and Camilla Parker-Bowles, wife of Prince Charles of England.

        The New England Historic Genealogical Society, founded in 1845, says it is the oldest such organization in the country. Members spent three years tracing the lineage of the candidates.

        Among its other findings:

        McCain, the Vietnam War veteran who spent five years as a prisoner of war, descends from a long line of kings: Scottish King William the Lion, English King Edward I and French King Louis VII.

        He is cousins with six U.S presidents, including Lyndon Johnson, Harry Truman and Gerald Ford. He is also linked to American artist Georgia O’Keefe, the Duchess of Windsor and two men who signed the Declaration of Independence.

        Most surprisingly, Obama — the man who became America’s first African-American president — is linked by ancestry to Robert E. Lee, who commanded the armies of the
        Southern slave-holding states during the American civil war.

        Wake-up people!!!

        http://behindthematrix.wordpress.com/2009/02/17/all-44-men-who-were-presidents-of-the-usa-are-related/

      • Kinetic1

        Jay,
        For heaven’s sake, get it together. Have you ever traced your genealogy? You’d be surprised what you find if you go back far enough and wide enough. I too have Cheaneys in my family tree, but we’re so far removed as to make it pointless. The world is a whole lot smaller than one might think.

  • http://peresonallibertydigest.. gottaplenty

    That was meant for the obummer ,not Trump

    • Doc Sarvis

      Thanks for the clarification because I totally assumed you meant Trump. I don’t agree with you but at least I know what you meant.

  • Gracie

    I wish Donald Trump would run with Governor Romney for Vice President. Mr. Trump has a right to question Obama’s birthplace. Look at all the lies Obama told the American Citizens.

    • Doc Sarvis

      If Romney/Trump won the election we would have two people who love to fire working people running the country.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Doc . . . you mean like people out of work?
        Isn’t almost 1/5 of the population out of work now? Why is that Doc?

    • RichE

      Wow! Donald Trump as Romney’s Cheney. Now there’s a thought.

      • Robert Smith

        “Donald Trump as Romney’s Cheney.”

        What are the odds building inspectors would be candidates for waterboarding?

        Rob

        • RichE

          Donald Trump waterboarding building inspectors or tenants?

  • Chester

    With friends like “The Donald,” Romney needs no enemies. Trump is doing more harm to Romney’s campaign than Mitt can ever do, short of declaring he is all for eliminating all the states and their representatives and ruling like a king as soon as he is elected.

  • profhambone

    How interesting that Trump continues to use Las Vegas as a background for his trumpeting. The State of Nevada has told him many times that because of his bankruptcies in the past he will never hold a gambling license for Nevada. Even more, his hotel in Vegas is not even located on the Strip. It is on the other side of I-15 in the industrial area. Many Las Vegans think Trump should stay in Atlantic City as he is not a Vegas success like Adelson or Wynn but is just trying to cash in on Vegas like the talentless Khardashians…….

    • mac

      Profhambone, why can’t you just make a statement instead of smearing others? What does Trump’s business locations have to do with his calling attention to fraud?

  • libertarian

    We need to ask where this opportunist’s hair was born and if he has a birth certificate for it. Silverspoon baby with a lot of hot air.

  • Norm

    Trump is living proof that humans without brains can get rich, and become famous in America.

    • http://google gary gerke

      Your right, however, that was before Obummers rein of terrior on business in the US. How silly is closing down dairies for selling raw milk.

    • Steve E

      There are many rich people that don’t have a brain. Many rich people even voted for Obama. If they were smart people, they would not have done that.

      • RichE

        SteveE,
        It seems the more intelligent one is the more liberal and less promiscuous.

        “Evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa at the London School of Economics and Political Science correlated data on these behaviors with IQ from a large national U.S. sample and found that, on average, people who identified as liberal and atheist had higher IQs. This applied also to sexual exclusivity in men, but not in women. The findings will be published in the March 2010 issue of Social Psychology Quarterly.”

      • Steve E

        Rich, some of the liberal elites are smart, even diabolical, so was Hitler. However, their followers are the ones that have low intelligence because they can be fooled so easily. Most of the people who are on government assistance are liberals. Liberals are the ones that uses political correctness. Even Kanazawa was an opponent to that. Furthermore, liberals are the ones that always spin answers, or not answer the question when they are put on the spot. They think they are smart enough that their spin will satisfy the audience, but the intelligent non liberal people are on to them.

        • RichE

          SteveE, you sound like a bigot.

        • jim

          Hello. Most of the 1% are liberals…..they use their stooges in government to create legislation which bars competition. Consider GM. Under capitalism, they wd b gone. Building garbage since WW 2 (read Vance Packards book, The Waste Makers (famous)) and when we either stop buying their junk and/or they mismanage themselves, what do they do? Come to the taxpayer and get reanimated into business. Hmmm. Stop buying their crap! The way to kill the top 1% ability to stay there is thru more capitalism, not less. Force these pigs to compete with merit. They will be gone in a matter of years! And worthy products will prevail. Regards.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        RichE says: SteveE, you sound like a bigot.

        WOW, great comeback, RichE! Stand back folks, we got us an intellectual giant here!

    • Dale on the left coast

      Norm . . . is that why you’re not “Rich” ? Norm, if you have “Brains” why not engage them . . . you certainly don’t around here ! ! !

  • jim

    Want to have some fun? Google George H Scherf(f).

    • Doc Sarvis

      Wow, there’s a story. Thanks for the lead.

  • Sprock

    How any one can consider anything this guy has to say about politics seriously is plain scary. I’d sooner vote for Ronald MacDonald than this Donald. How sad that he was a Republican front runner for even a second.

    • Doc Sarvis

      How sad and how telling.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Hey Sprocket-head, don’t underestimate the “Donald”. He is part of the establishment, the elite. Who do you think made it possible for obama to be where he is; useful idiots like you and doc? Please, don’t make me laugh!

      You may recall that the “Donald” on a previous occasion brought-up the issue of obama’s birth-certificate, and now, for the second time. Why do you think? I’ll tell you why.

      It is a warning to obama to do as he is told, otherwise, the truth will be publicly exposed, and obama will find himself on the curb from whence he was collected! And impeachment will not be necessary, as you need not impeach one who was never qualified to be a president.

      No fuss, no muss. Nice and clean, and cost effective, not to mention, time effective. As you may well know, that, to impeach a President is very expensive, and time consuming, and success, is not always guaranteed. With obama, they have eliminated the two aforementioned pesky problem. Now, they can just evict the bum, and find another who will do as he is told.

      • jim

        Whallah! Touche! Succinct!

  • RichE

    Walt,
    United States v. Rhodes (1866) “In U. S. v. Rhodes (1866), Mr. Justice Swayne, sitting in the circuit court, said: ‘All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural- born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England.’ ‘We find no warrant for the opinion that this great principle of the common law has ever been changed in the United States. It has always obtained here with the same vigor, and subject only to the same exceptions, since as before the Revolution.’”

    • Walt

      Rich E,

      I would refer you to the following, as an explanation of the Wong Kim Ark case that you mention:

      http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/07/neither-14th-amendment-nor-wong-kim-ark.html

      The Founders clearly wanted a difference between a citizen born on U.S. soil of a foreign parent(s)and a citizen born on U.S. soil from parents who were both either U.S. born or naturalized citizens.

      Also read: http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/09/natural-born-citizen-clause-requires.html

      • RichE

        Please clearly state the definition of, ‘natural born citizen’ before you determine if anyone is or isn’t qualified.

      • RichE

        Walt,
        Also lookup the Electoral College, part of its purpose is to insure the intent of the clause, ‘natural born citizen’ and the Electoral College passed Obama. At some point you’ll have to trust the system.

      • Thinking About

        You only have to do a search on US Code Title 8, Section 1401 and with Obama’s mother being a citizen of the US entitles Obama to also be a citizen. You can also be born of two parents being a citizen but this section defines for even the least of us to understand having one parent allows us to be a citizen by birth no matter where the child was born. The case stated was both of her parents was in the US illegally.

      • ehancock

        The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and includes every child born in the USA. That was decided by the Wong Kim Ark case, which ruled six to two (one not voting) that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law, and that EVERY US citizen who was born in the USA is Natural Born (only naturalized citizens are not Natural Born):

        “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

        Moreover, his view was not alone:

        “Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition

        “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).

        In fact, birthers and two-fers tried to convince the members of the US Electoral College of the parents requirement, and not one member changed her or his vote out of the belief that two citizen parents required. Not one.

        And four state courts and one federal court have now ruled specifically on Obama’s case that the US Supreme Court defined the meaning of Natural Born Citizen in the Wong Kim Ark case and that it said that the meaning comes from the common law and that it includes every citizen born in the USA.

      • ehancock

        If the founders had wanted a difference from the common law, they would have said that they did and specified how that difference would apply. Since they did not state that there would be a difference from the common law, and since the normal way of using the term Natural Born at the time referred to the place of birth, not the parents, there is no evidence that they intended to use the term any differently than in its most common sense, its use in the common law, and that is what the courts have consistently held.

    • Walt

      A few good sources for reading: Article II, Section 1, Clause 5

      http://www.art2superpac.com/issues.html#Supreme Court

      http://www.art2superpac.com/UserFiles/image/!Presidents-Eligibility-Grandfather-Clause-Natural-Born-Citizen-Clause-or-Seated-by-Fraud.pdf

      Interestingly enough, Obama is not the first U.S. President to attain that office by fraud (not being a “natural born citizen”)…Chester A. Arthur holds that undistinguished title. (See PDF link above)

    • Walt

      Trust the system? That’s what is wrong in this country…”the system”.

      Systems are easily manipulated and corrupted by crooks and frauds.

      I would prefer to trust the law that was established long ago by men of integrity and honor, not a system that today is so easily corrupted by whores and traitors.

      • RichE

        Walt,
        How can corruption be prevented? You have to trust that the system can do that if told to do that.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Oh oh, there’s RichE smoking the hashish again…

      • Ken

        GOLLY WALLY, YA MEAN THEIR ARE WHORES AND TRAITORS HERE, ON THIS VERY BLOG!!!

      • Ken

        Riiiiiiiiich! You have to have men (or women) of integrity and moral standing…..those words are TOTALLY FOREIGN to YOU.

        • RichE

          Ken,
          IMO trusting integrity and moral standing is the problem. The U.S. is a nation of laws not of men. If I hired the Pope to clean my warehouse and only checked on him every four years do you think my warehouse would be clean? My point, governments corrupt and the historical solution is periodic replacement. IMO we don’t need to replace the constitution and we don’t need to replace the elected, but we a way besides periodic replacement to prevent corruption. The Bridge to Nowhere shouldn’t have happened. How did it happen? Prevention of corruption should be our focus.
          Back to the Birther issue.
          So far no one has clearly defined, ‘natural born citizen’. Personally I believe it is anyone that would naturally receive citizenship. I also believe any candidate for president should exhibit the American Dream, “we the people”, “all men created equal”, etc. This quality to be insured by the people and their elected, but back to the first part a, ‘natural born citizen’ does not insure integrity, moral standing and the American Dream. How do we do that?

  • http://www.facebook.com/chipadoo Chip Dooley

    Just read Obama’s book he tells you were he is born. But do you believe a man that changes his place of birth to run for President or before he was running for president and wrote a book saying he was born in Kenya. So by Obamas words he has said he was born in Hawaii but the book he wrote he writes that he was born in Kenya.So Mr. President which is it Kenya or Hawaii? Either way he is a LIAR!

    • RichE

      Page number please.

      • Karolyn

        Yeah, I don’t remember reading that. Chip probably heard it from somebody else.

      • Dale on the left coast

        A promotional booklet produced in 1991 by Barack Obama’s then-literary agency, Acton & Dystel, which touts Obama as “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.”

        The booklet, which was distributed to “business colleagues” in the publishing industry, includes a brief biography of Obama among the biographies of eighty-nine other authors represented by Acton & Dystel.

        It also promotes Obama’s anticipated first book, Journeys in Black and White–which Obama abandoned, later publishing Dreams from My Father instead.

        Obama’s biography in the booklet is as follows . . .

        “Barack Obama, the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. The son of an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister, he attended Columbia University and worked as a financial journalist and editor for Business International Corporation. He served as project coordinator in Harlem for the New York Public Interest Research Group, and was Executive Director of the Developing Communities Project in Chicago’s South Side. His commitment to social and racial issues will be evident in his first book, Journeys in Black and White.”

        The booklet, which is thirty-six pages long, is printed in blue ink (and, on the cover, silver/grey ink), using offset lithography. It purports to celebrate the fifteenth anniversary of Acton & Dystel, which was founded in 1976.

        • RichE

          My copy doesn’t say anything about being born in Kenya. Would you please provide book title and page number where it says born in Kenya. My copy of ‘Dreams from My Father’ page xiii Introduction says, “…after my election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, a legal periodical largly unknown outside the profession.”

        • RichE

          It’s false Dale,

          By Dylan Stableford
          May 18, 2012

          A possible source of the so-called “birther” issue–or at least a potential cause of the rumors that have dogged President Barack Obama–has been identified.

          Obama’s former literary agency misidentified his birthplace as Kenya while trying to promote the then-Harvard Law grad as an author in 1991.

          According to a promotional booklet produced by the agency, Acton & Dystel, to showcase its roster of writers, Obama was “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.”

          Miriam Goderich edited the text of the bio; she is now a partner at the Dystel & Goderich agency, which lists Obama as one of its current clients.

          “This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me–an agency assistant at the time,” Goderich wrote in an emailed statement to Yahoo News. “There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more.”

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        From CNN’s Anderson Cooper to so-called conservatives Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly, useful idiots have lined up like good little sheep to proclaim that they have some special knowledge of the messiah’s birth that nobody else is allowed to see, and that on that basis, they have determined for all of mankind that Obama is eligible for office, even though none of them seem capable of comprehending the most fundamental facts of the case. It’s NOT about “birth place!”

        As for Obama supporters, those who want real “change” from a free society funded by free-markets – to a socialized system based upon free stuff for those unwilling to earn, paid for by the productive members of society, it makes no difference what the Constitution says or that Obama is NOT eligible for office even under his own story.

        No mountain of evidence will change their opinions because their opinions are driven by agenda, not facts.

        But citizens who still care what our Constitution says, what our Founding Fathers designed and the unparalleled success of our unique American history, had better care about Article II—Section I or they need not bother worrying their pretty little heads about anything else our founding documents say.

        Our rights are only “unalienable” so long as the Constitution remains in full force and effect. Without that document, everything we have ever known about our country goes right out the window with the destruction of that foundation.

        Sooner or later, the truth about Obama and all who made it possible for this man to scam the entire world will come out. God help us if it isn’t until after there is no nation left to salvage.

        Obama’s idiots don’t care, they never did and they never will.

        But what about the rest of America and the free world as we once knew it?

  • Rocketman

    While I consider Trump a pompous blowhard, he is occasionally right. He was right about Rosie O’Donnell have a screw or two loose and he’s right to question Obama being an American citizen. If the Democratic Party and the news media had done the job that they were suppose to when Obama was first running for president we woundn’t have to ask these questions and we would already know the answers. If he isn’t then the media that has covered for him should have to pay a heavy penalty for their stupidity.

    • Doc Sarvis

      We DO already know the answer. This issue was covered by the MSM and they found the truth. That there are any remaining stories in the MSM only reflects on their political slant or a slow “news” day.

      • Carl Manning

        Show us the “proof”, Doc. They didn’t prove anything whatsoever. They have hidden everything and refuse to allow anyone to see the original microfiche in Hawaii because they know it doesn’t exist in Hawaii. The MSM never covered the overwhelming evidence that what Obama released on April 27th, 2011 was a horrible forgery. They refused to cover the evidence in Joe Arpaio’s news conference on March 1st. They never even bothered to corroborate it themselves thoroughly. Faux News got some bogus “expert” from Canada and distorted his premature erroneous findings. This fellow later told Faux Noise to retract their erroneous conclusion, but Faux Noise would not comply. The media is checked by the CIA as William Colby pointed out years ago before he was assassinated for investigating the Vince Foster assassination. This is the same CIA whose former Deputy Chief, John Brennan, was given a pass in Passportgate before Obama was even elected. This is the same CIA that killed JFK and was complicit with the MSM and the Mossad in the inside job of 911 that hasd led to the deaths of countless innocents and the senseless slaughter of our own military. The MSM in the United States is guilty of HIGH TREASON.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Carl Manning,
        I do like your tin foil hat, very becomming. You should avoid getting so frothy though.
        http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

      • Dale on the left coast

        Way to go Doc . . . direct link to the Photoshopped PDF . . . don’t take my word for it . . . download the PDF . . . open it in Photoshop or Illustrator . . . it is an 8 layer document . . . a created document not a scanned document, poorly done.
        I could have made him a better one . . . LOL

    • Thinking About

      Take your case to court at your expense and maybe they can help you to understand Obama is a child born of a citizen of the US, namely his mother whose father had served in the military of the US and was a citizen also. Spend your money then give the results.

      • Dale on the left coast

        I believe you are talking about Pedro Obama . . . of Yuma, AZ . . . not the same guy ! ! !

  • Carl Manning

    As Larry Klayman, Dr. Orly Taitz, Mario Apuzzo, and other lawyers have pointed out countless times, there is a precedent in the US Supreme Court from 1875: Minor vs. Happersett in which the Supreme Court ruled on the definition of “NATURAL BORN AMERICAN CITZEN” to be born with two parents who were also American citizens, thus having no possibility of divided loyalty. Judges who refuse to acknowldge this well-established precedent such as Judge Malihi of Georgia and countless others should be disbarred and impeached by State and federal legislatures en masse.

    Dr. Orly Taitz is running for US Senator in California. She is up against the GOP Establishment that despises the US Constitution, as evidenced by all of the UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS they have passed in lockstep with their fellow idiots in the DemoCommie party across the aisle. The GOP with the complicity of their willing accomplices in Talk Radio and Faux Noise have almost completely obliterated the Bill of Rights, the first Ten Amendments to the US Constitution. Has anyone noticed how Talk Radio, Faux Noise, and the MSM have said very little if anything at all about NDAA and all of Obama’s Executive Orders enabling the Police State Dictatorship??? If she makes it past the GOP primary today, she’ll be taking on Diane Feinstein. If she wins, she will bring this issue to light just as Ron Paul has brought the FED, the un-Constitutional Neocon warmongering and nation-building, and the recklessly irresponsible spending of the GOP to light.

    • ehancock

      The Ron Paul campaign tells me that Rep. Ron Paul believes that Obama was born in Hawaii and that he is a Natural Born US Citizen.

  • W. T. Brian

    I think y’all are looking at the wrong thing. I’ll concede that he was born in Hawaii, but here’s the real question that nobody is asking. Didn’t Obama renounce his US citizenship when he was in Indonesia? Does he have an Indonesian passport? Just what was his citizenship while he was in college? And finally, is his true legal name still Obama, or is it actually Soetoro, from adoption by his Indonesian step-father? These are the questions I would like to see answered.

  • Carl Manning

    Imagine how they’d react if Trump spoke the TRUTH about 911 being a MSM/CIA/Mossad inside job, the complicity of the CIA and Secret Service in the assassination of JFK and the coverup; and the fictitious Lunar landings of the Apollo space missions. The TRUTH could set us all free if we just did our homework and research. Then, we truly could have a political Revolution in this country because once the military, the American People, the Churches, and State governments discover the TRUTH about 911, we likely would have massive civil unrest and even Secessions all across the land. That’s the America I long to see!!!

  • ChuckL

    Sorry Rich, but the case of Minor v. Happersett provides a clear and unequivocal statement by the Supreme Court that Natural Born Citizen means a person born in the U.S. a of parents who are both at the time of that person’s birth citizens of the United States.

    • ChuckL

      Adendum –
      You can also refer to Thomas Jefferson’s comment

      “Laws are made for men of ordinary understanding and should, therefore, be construed by the ordinary rules of common sense. Their meaning is not to be sought for in metaphysical subtleties which may make anything mean everything or nothing at pleasure.” –Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 1823

      And Joseph Story’s
      “The constitution of the United States is to receive a reasonable interpretation of its language, and its powers, keeping in view the objects and purposes, for which those powers were conferred. By a reasonable interpretation, we mean, that in case the words are susceptible of two different senses, the one strict, the other more enlarged, that should be adopted, which is most consonant with the apparent objects and intent of the Constitution.” –Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution, 1833

      And add to this the face that the definition or “Natural Born Citizen” was widely accepted throughout Western Europe and their colonies based upon the book published by Emmerich de Vattel in the mid 1750′s titled in English “Law of Nations” of which Benjamin Franklin is known to have purchased 5 copies he made available to the Constitutional Convention in which the definition is clearly identical to that affirmed in the case of Minor v. Happersett. It is also readily determined that the writers of the Constitution were aware of this because they referred to the”Law of Nations” which appears in Article 1, Section 8 Clause 10 of the Constitution.

      In accordance with Mt. Thomas Jefferson’s comment, this would clearly be considered “ordinary understanding.”

      • RichE

        Benjamin Franklin purchased five copies. Wow! What an insight! How much more proof could I possibly need?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        You’re not looking for proof, RichE, as you are clearly an imbecile; forever learning, and understanding nothing! You are a miscreant, a buffoon, a dissenter, a shill, and intellectually dishonest. You do yourself no great service, nor do you contribute anything to any discussion, by posting your inane, and juvenile comments.

    • RichE

      ChuckL,
      The Minor v. Happersett opinion states that Minor is a natural born citizen because both her parents were citizens. The opinion does not define the clause. A Chevy corvette is a car, but a Chevy Corvette does not define car.

      This is part of Chief Justice Waite’s opinion. Notice the doubt part and they didn’t solve the doubt.
      “The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.

      • Thinking About

        This case was about women getting the right to vote, her citizenship was established but was told at the time she still would not be able to vote, this has changed since this case was heard. The real reason was not to establish “both” of her parents was citizens and therefore other cases required both parents to be citizens. It was about the vote. Mitt Romney’ s father George was born in Mexico to American citizens and he also ran for president.

        • RichE

          Thinking About,
          Yes, the purpose was to establish her citizenship. The opinion states she is a natural born citizen because both her parents were citizens. The opinion also mentions a class where children born within the jurisdiction, but found it not necessary to rule on this since she qualified under both parents. If you’d like to take it to the extreme the opinion said, “SHE”. Am I to infer that, ‘natural born’ only applies to women?

      • ehancock

        An analogy: If I said “It was never doubted that if you wore both suspenders and a belt you would hold your pants up” does that mean that you have to wear both suspenders and a belt to hold your pants up? Does it? Obviously it doesn’t. Well, that is what the quotation from the Minor vs Happersett case says.

        Minor had both US citizen parents and was born in the USA. She was a NBC by having both of the factors, but she could also have been an NBC based on only one of the factors. The court did not say, and it said that it did not have to say.

        In any case, it should be obvious, that saying that it was never doubted that having citizen parents and being born in the country makes a Natural Born Citizen is NOT a statement that both are required. It is not a statement that both are necessary any more than saying that it was never doubted that if you wore both suspenders and a belt you would hold your pants up is a statement that both are necessary.

        And in any case the Wong Kim ARK case was after the Minor vs. Happersett case, and hence if the Minor vs Happersett case were actually a ruling (which obviously it wasn’t), the Wong Kim Ark case would have overturned it. And the Wong Kim Ark case said that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is Natural Born.

        • RichE

          ehancock, I agree and thank you for all your posts. Hopefully Florida will bring closure.

  • Walt

    Thinking About says:

    “Try reading US Code Title 8, Section 1401 and you will find the requirements for being the president of the United States, and the specific is a parent. Obama could have been born anywhere and with his mother being a citizen fo the US it allows him to have citizenship here also.”

    Interestingly enough, Obama’s mother was not eligible to pass on citizenship to her son. The law requires that the citizen (mother) must have resided in the U.S. at least 10 years and 5 of those years must be after the parent turned 16 years of age, thus requiring a parent to be at least 21 years old to transfer citizenship to an offspring. Obama’s mother was not 21 years old at the time of her son’s birth.

    In 1946, that requirement was amended to create an exception for those parents who had served in World War II.

    Based on this rule, Obama’s mother could not pass on basic U.S. citizenship, if Obama was born in Kenya, let alone the status of “natural born citizen”.

    • Thinking About

      Did you find your quote in this section? Try another one. Read the section, it is very easy to understand and does not give an age for either parent.

      (d)a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

      Now show where you get your informaton.

      • Thinking About

        Futhermore Walt, this is the section which also applies to Obama.

        e)a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

      • Walt

        H.R. 9980, Oct. 14, 1940, Nationality Act of 1940

        Look at Chapter II, Sec. 201, paragraph (g)

        It clearly states the timeline conditions as I stated. Again, IF Obama’s mother was unmarried (not proven one way or another), AND IF Obama was born outside Hawaii (not proven one way or another as well), she could only convey citizenship to her son if she was over 21 years of age.

        In any event, this only addresses the issue of “basic citizenship” not “natural born citizenship”, which is quite another matter.

      • Walt

        I read the entire code and nowhere does it mention anything about persons who qualify as citizens under this code being eligible to be President of the U.S.

        Additionally, you mentioned that there were 7 Presidents who had a foreign parent. I assume you refer to Washington through Jackson, who all had foreign parents and were “grandfathered” as eligible to be President, as part of the final draft of Article II, section 1, Clause 5.

        However, you didn’t mention James Buchanan, whose father was born in Ireland and was a naturalized U.S. citizen at the time of James’ birth. Additionally, Woodrow Wilson’s mother was born in England but gave birth to Woodrow as a naturalized citizen; or Herbert Hoover, whose mother was Canadian and was similarly a naturalized citizen at the time of Herbert’s birth.

  • chuckb

    there must be some underlying information the bolsheviks don’t want the public to know about barry. there’s a a good possibility his father is unknown, which i think is the case.
    the bols are sure hiding it for some reason, that’s for sure.

    • ehancock

      Re allegation that Obama’s father is “unknown.”

      To some extent all of our fathers are unknown, but you were not referring to that biological fact. What you were saying that the birth certificate in the files may list a father other than Obama Senior–which is the name of the father on both the short-form and long-form birth certificate.

      The latest confirmation of the birth certificate, made by Hawaii officials at the request of the Secretary of State of Arizona, shows that that cannot be true. In addition to checking the specific facts requested by the Arizona official, the Hawaii official stated that he had checked every fact on the image of the long-form birth certificate that the Arizona official sent him, and that they ALL were correct.

      In other words, was Obama born at Kapiolani Hospital (which by the way did exist in 1961, as the birth certificates of the Nordyke twins shows)? Answer: Yes. Was Obama’s father’s race listed as African (which was allowed by Hawaii since people could use whatever word they wanted and “African” was the normal answer by African exchange students at the time)? Answer: Yes. Was Obama Senior listed as the father? Answer: YES.

      Some birthers are now claiming that Obama senior was not the real DNA father but that Davis or Malcolm X was. But that can be said of anyone. Notice how much Romney looks like Harpo Marx?

  • Robert

    If Obama has nothing to hide then he should instruct the State of Hawaii to release the real birth certificate or other pertinate information in their system. It appears that Sheriff Arpaio has more than presented a case of reasonal doubt. There is so munch about Obama that is being hidden from the public that I, as a concerned citizen, would like the facts to be made public. See:

    AZ Sheriff Joe Arpaio Releases Results of Obama Birth Certificate Probe: ‘Forgery’ :

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/az-sheriff-joe-arpaio-releases-results-of-obama-birth-certificate-probe-forgery/

    Is Barack Obama A Marxist Mole?

    http://www.aim.org/aim-report/is-barack-obama-a-marxist-mole/

    • ehancock

      Re Should instruct Hawaii to release…

      The law in Hawaii does not allow the DOH to “release” birth certificates. They can only send out copies of them, and they can only send them to the specific people on the list. Hawaii in fact HAS sent those copies to Obama, twice–the short form and the long form–and Obama has shown both the images of them and the actual physical copies. The physical copy of the long form was in fact passed around in the White House press room and everyone there got a chance to hold it, examine it and feel the seal (on the back, where it is supposed to be). One reporter even photographed it.

      • http://gravatar.com/upaces88 upaces88

        Number 1: The Hospital he SAID he was born in was built AFTER his birth.
        Number 2: He wasn’t born in Hawaii.
        Please make note, this article is from the NIGERIAN NEWS (AFRICA):

        Subject: http://www.nigerianobservernews.com/4112008/4112008/news/news1.html
        US Presidential Polls:Obama, McCain slug it out today

        By SOLOMON ASOWATA WITH AGENCY REPORTS

        WASHINGTON – Americans will today go to the polls to elect their next President with Democratic Party candidate, Senator Barack Obama largely favoured to win.

        The Kenyan-born Senator will, however, face a stiff competition from his Republican counterpart, John McCain who has taken the presidential battle to the finishing line with vigorous campaign strategies.

        The other candidates are Cynthia Mckinney (Green Party), Bob Barr (Libertarian Party), Chuk Baldwin (Constitution Party) and Ralph Nader who is running as an independent candidate.

        Aiming for a last-minute upset, Republican John McCain embarked on a grueling odyssey through seven swing states yesterday while Democrat Barack Obama was headed toward three long time GOP bastions that have become Democratic-learning battle grounds in the historic presidential contest.

        Obama, cruising comfortably ahead in national and many battle ground state polls, started his day with a late morning rally in Jacksonville, before heading to events in Virginia and North Carolina.

        His efforts are being buoyed by former presidential candidate, Al Gore, former President Bill Clinton and his wife, Senator Hillary Rodman Clinton, as well as other top democrats who have tightened their hold on the country with the aim of wrestling power from the Republicans, whose eight years in the White House have failed to produce the desired effects on majority of Americans as well as the economy.

        It is widely believed that the President George Bush administration had alienated a lot of Americans due to its unpopular war campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan where trillions of dollars which could have been used for the benefit of American people, were wasted.
        This belief, coupled with the present global financial crunch, according to political pundits, across the world, makes Obama the ideal presidential candidate for the White House

  • http://www.survivingurbancrisis.com/ Silas Longshot

    I see the libs are thick today, defending their chosen one. Split hairs all you want about ‘natural born’ (which IS born of 2 US CITIZENS!) the facts are that the clown has put bogus documents up as his “proof” required to qualify as prez. Which have been PROVEN false by POLICE investigation.

    • RichE

      Silas,
      Are you saying the definition for, ‘natural born citizen’ is both parents have to be U.S. citizens?

      • upaces88

        RichE, I thought everyone had seen this video…He admits it!!!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se5zvGF6u9g&feature=related
        Admits he was born in Kenya

        • RichE

          upaces88

          That video is a fake. Please perform due diligence.

          • upaces88

            Rich, the Video is NOT a fake. If you “meant” to say, it doesn’t say enough…yes, you are right. Perhaps, you need to learn to communicate better.

          • http://google gary gerke

            YOU ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY WITH YOUR RETORT!
            THANKS!!!!!

      • ehancock

        The video is a fake. It is easy to cut the “not” out of any comments. Notice there is no audience reaction. If he had actually said “I was born in Kenya,” they would have reacted. It is a fake.

        The notion of Obama’s mother, late in pregnancy, traveling alone (WND has shown that Obama senior was in Hawaii on August 4, 1961) from Hawaii where there are good hospitals, to Kenya, where there was Yellow Fever and bad hospitals, and doing so without any INS record of her leaving the USA or any record of her arriving in Kenya—is absurd. And the fact that there is a birth certificate showing that she gave birth in Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu makes it even more absurd.

  • RichE

    The Indiana Court of Appeals in Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana said:

    “Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”

    • AZ-Ike

      A natural born Citizen is born IN the Country to parents who are both citizens OF the country. As children always automatically take on the citizenship of their parents, the above is the only possible definition of a natural born Citizen. Therefore, a child born in the U.S. with one or both foreign parents, also automatically claims dual or multiple citizenship at birth, possibly owing allegiance to other countries–and is never a natural born Citizen.

      RichE, Wong Kim Ark case refers to 14th Amendment citizenship. Any time a citizen becomes a citizen by written law, that citizen can never be considered ‘naturally born a Citizen.’ Throughout this case ‘citizenship’ is referred to according to the 14rh Amendment–citizenship by law.

      I have not read US Code Title 8, Section 1401, as referred to by Thinkabout, but if it does actually state only one citizen parent is required to become President of the U.S., then the law is unconstitutional because it negates Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution. The Constitution cannot be changed by law–only by Amendment, ratified by the sovereign People.

      As stated in numerous supreme Court cases, it has never been doubted that a child born in the country of parents who are its citizens is himself a citizen. That is a native, or natural born Citizen. But for a child born of foreign parents in the country there is doubt. ‘Native born’ has been used to refer to any child born in the U.S., but it does not necessarily equate with ‘natural born’ Citizen.

      • Thinking About

        Do you consider the 14th amendment to the Constitution as a part of the Constitution? If you do this section further defines what the 14th amendment is. The 14th amendment gives information of who is qualified to be president of the United States and as you state the Constitution can have amendments so here you are, easy to explain and therefore an amendment to the Constitution already ratified and is not really a law but and amendment.

      • ehancock

        And the decision that Natural Born Citizen refers to the place of birth, not the parents, is not only held by the courts in Indiana and by Meese. Four state courts and one federal court have now ruled specifically on Obama that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen was defined in the Wong Kim Ark case (which incidentally was AFTER MInor vs Happersett and hence would have overturned it were not Minor merely dicta). And these five courts have all ruled that the Wong Kim Ark case defined Natural Born Citizen as including every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats.

        And there have been numerous other cases. Such as:

        Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F.3d 1017 (6th Cir. 1999) (children born in US to two Romanian citizens described as “natural born citizens” of the US):

        “Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States.”

        Diaz-Salazar v. INS, 700 F.2d 1156 (7th Cir. 1983) (child born in US to Mexican citizen is “natural born citizen” of US):

        “Petitioner, Sebastian Diaz-Salazar, entered the United States illegally [from Mexico] in 1974 and has been living and working in Chicago since that time. *** The relevant facts which have been placed before the INS, BIA, and this court can be summarized as follows: The petitioner has a wife and two children under the age of three in Chicago; the children are natural-born citizens of the United States.”

        Nwankpa v. Kissinger, 376 F. Supp. 122 (M.D. Ala. 1974) (child born in US to two Biafra citizens described as “natural born citizen” of the US):

        “The Plaintiff was a native of Biafra, now a part of the Republic of Nigeria. His wife and two older children are also natives of that country, but his third child, a daughter, is a natural-born citizen of the United States.”

        What made the third child different from her siblings? She was born in the USA.

      • ehancock

        In addition to the Wong Kim Ark case defining 14th amendment citizenship, it also defined Natural Born status. Here is the quotation:

        “It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

        III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.”

        That quite clearly says that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law, and that every child born in the country (except for the children of foreign diplomats) is included, and that the same rules that applied in England applied in the colonies, and in the early states AND UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.

        That is why so far for state courts and one federal court have ruled on Obama that the Wong Kim Ark ruling applies and that he, and all the other 300 million of us who were born in the USA, is a Natural Born US citizen.

    • Walt

      Well good for Indiana, if they want to let BO run in their state, let them. They don’t determine what the correct interpretation of “natural born citizen” is for the rest of the country.

      It is quite clear that Washington accepted John Jay’s recommendation to include the “natural born citizen” wording to mean born of two parents who were citizens or naturalized citizens…nothing less.

      Blowing smoke about English Kings and their rules about who they thought was a British subject, has no bearing on the decision of those who wrote the Constitution and were determined to establish a new nation with its own set of rules and conventions.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Well said, Walt!!! Unfortunately, despicable, and deceitful liars like RichE will ignore what you have rightly stated…as that is their nature, and their ways. He, and worms like him, are enemies of this country, and its Constitution, and they desperately desire the destruction of both! Give them no quarter!

      • ehancock

        Washington accepted Jay’s recommendation, but it had nothing to do with parents. The meaning of Natural Born Citizen at the time came from the common law and referred to the PLACE of birth. Only the place, not the parents. Thus a Natural Born citizen is one who was born in the USA, as opposed to a naturalized citizen, who was not born in the USA.

        “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President….”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

  • Big Woody

    You do not have to like The Donald but he has one thing that most of our members of Congress do not have. That is the abillity to be reported on in the media. It took only two weeks for Trump get Obama to come up a version of his birth certificate while nobody else could for 2 years. He gets front page write ups, and he is on camera on TV news. He asks questions that need to be asked. Why won’t Obama let his real birth certificate be seen? Why has Obama sealed his college records? How did Obama travel in restricted countries when Americans were not supposed to? Why do Obama’s own words from his past writings contradict what he is saying now? It might be interesting to see how much Trump would stir things up in DC as VP. He would shake up the “bussines as usual”, “good ol’ boys club” to it’s roots. If you think Cheney and Rumsfeld got in the way of the Washington Way, just think about Trump. Hammers and toilet seats that cost $3000 each would be daily headlines.

    • ehancock

      Obama has shown his REAL birth certificate. The official copy is what he showed. The one in the files is not the official version because it does not have the state seal on it. The law in Hawaii is that the state cannot show the document in the files to anyone. It can only send out copies, and only to the people on a specific list stated in a law.

      Obama has not sealed his college records. They are simply private under privacy laws. Romney has not shown his college records either. They also are private, under the same privacy laws. However, if Romney shows his college records, Obama is likely to do so too.

      • upaces88

        The INS file is much more telling….that is the smoking gun.

      • ehancock

        What INS file? The one that shows that a grand total of 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Or the one from the INS office in New York—-which is not missing, by the way–which would be the way to go to Kenya, there not being direct flights, and which does not show Obama’s mother’s name on it, or his.

  • Ken Kohler

    holy crap Donald ; I thought you were smarter than to back Romney , even tho you are a Rep, we need him like we need two (expletive deleted), I just can`t get over you backing him, you have lost my trust, [ even tho it means nothing to you ] tsk tsk tsk

    • upaces88

      Ken, I have also been shocked by the Rah Rah Romney people. The man is much “slicker than Obama”….I know we “might” have to vote for him…but believe me, it is nothing to be proud of.

  • upaces88

    Michelle Obama also admits his home country is Kenya:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M7Rp_Ghv6k&feature=related

    • RichE

      upaces88,
      Did you perform due diligence on the video?

      What would it take to produce a video of Donald Trump proving Obama is a, ‘natural born citizen’? Would you believe that video upaces88? I wonder if I’d get into trouble?

      • http://gravatar.com/upaces88 upaces88

        I have a file full of video(s) but I am not wasting any more of my time and effort to get them for you. It is YOUR turn.
        There are people all over the country who have already proven him a fraud; and there are still those in the process right now — WHO HAVE PROVEN IT….It may not do any good because we now have a dictator in the WH and not a President.

        IF you want to continue arguing about it…you’ll have to do it with yourself (I am quite sure that you do other things “by yourself” as well.

    • ehancock

      Michelle Obama did not say that her husband was born in Kenya. The meaning of Native Country refers to the country of ancestry. Ireland was the native country of Kennedy and Reagan.

  • upaces88

    Number 1: The BC in Hawaii is a “live birth certificate.” In other words, the person standing before me was born. The Hospital that Obama gave as the one where he was born was NOT built until AFTER he was born.

    • ehancock

      Re claim that Kapiolani was not built until after Obama was born.

      Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital did exist in 1961. How do we know? Well, on WND’s site there are birth certificates for the Nordkye Twins, born one day after Obama in the same hospital, and what is the name of the hospital on their birth certificates? Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.

  • RichE

    I’m moving on. It’s perfectly clear to me you birthers are bigots. If you were true defenders of the constitution and your belief both parents need to be U.S. citizens you’d be asking Romney not for his birth certificate, but proof of citizenship for both his parents, but you aren’t and I bet it never crossed you minds.

    • Carl Manning

      Actually, many Constitutionalist “Birthers” know quite well and have pointed out that Romney, Bobby Jindal, and Marco Rubio are all disqualified for the Oval Office. The GOP may be avoiding this issue altogether for this very same reason. We can’t get any traction in the MSM to get this out. Why don’t you Liberal Constitutionalists get behind this??? Is it because you’re too busy covering for the Communist Usurper-in-Chief???

      • ehancock

        Re: “Romney, Bobby Jindal, and Marco Rubio are all disqualified for the Oval Office.”

        That is based on an absurd legal theory. Four state courts and one federal court have recently ruled that it is not true, and this is only on Obama. There have been numerous other court judgements ruling that the US-born children of foreigners are Natural Born Citizens. Why? Because the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth.

        “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

        That is the meaning of Natural Born Citizen, not the crazy idea that both US parents and birth in the country are required. And there have been several other rulings besides the four state courts and one federal court ruling on Obama. For example:

        Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F.3d 1017 (6th Cir. 1999) (children born in US to two Romanian citizens described as “natural born citizens” of the US):

        “Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States.”

        Diaz-Salazar v. INS, 700 F.2d 1156 (7th Cir. 1983) (child born in US to Mexican citizen is “natural born citizen” of US):

        “Petitioner, Sebastian Diaz-Salazar, entered the United States illegally [from Mexico] in 1974 and has been living and working in Chicago since that time. *** The relevant facts which have been placed before the INS, BIA, and this court can be summarized as follows: The petitioner has a wife and two children under the age of three in Chicago; the children are natural-born citizens of the United States.”

        Nwankpa v. Kissinger, 376 F. Supp. 122 (M.D. Ala. 1974) (child born in US to two Biafra citizens described as “natural born citizen” of the US):

        “The Plaintiff was a native of Biafra, now a part of the Republic of Nigeria. His wife and two older children are also natives of that country, but his third child, a daughter, is a natural-born citizen of the United States.”

        What makes the third child different from her siblings? She was born in the USA.

      • RichE

        Carl Manning,
        You ask me for my support then insult me. You’ve got style.

  • upaces88

    *Posted by African Press International on
    March 9, 2012*

    *By api*

    *Now it is here and places the president in the African continent. The
    debate surrounding it will now end after the revelation, and those who have
    not been telling the truth will have to be made answerable one way or
    another.*

    *The revelation, however, coming during this election year 2012 is doing no
    good to the democratic party.*

    * API on Tuesday the 6th March evening received President Obama’s genuine
    birth certificate. API decided not to hurry in publishing it immediately
    because we wanted to be sure of the content value.*

    *Now that the scrutiny has been done, the publishing of the Birth
    certificate that will clear the air once and for all is being done without
    prejudice. This may force the US president to apologise to the American
    people for having been kept in the dark on the issue for a long time now on
    demanding the publishing of the birth certificate by President Obama.*

    • Kinetic1

      upaces88,
      Well, March 31 has come and gone, and API failed to show us “a duly signed official letter” from CPBRO or “a very special document”. Almost makes one wonder about an “African news” organization out of Norway that started just 5 years ago.

      • upaces88

        I really don’t know that answer. That is a great catch….
        I remember from right after he got into office, there was sooooo many video(s) on line about him that simply disappeared!!!

        I was on the UK Telegraph blogging; and they actually believed we were all upset because he is black. I spent about two weeks on there explaining; and they finally came around to see it wasn’t “racism” at all!

    • ehancock

      Re the API claim that it would publish a Kenyan birth certificate. The reason that it never has is because one does not exist. According to INS record exactly 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and the idea that Obama and his mother were two of them, when it was an ENORMOUSLY expensive trip (and the parents and their parents were certainly not rich) and a highly risky trip late in pregnancy is laughable.

      The notion of Obama’s mother, late in pregnancy, traveling alone (WND has shown that Obama senior was in Hawaii on August 4, 1961) from Hawaii, where there are good hospitals, to Kenya, where there was Yellow Fever and bad hospitals, and doing so without any INS record of her leaving the USA or any record of her arriving in Kenya—is nutty. And the fact that there is a birth certificate showing that she gave birth in Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu makes it even more like a crazy dream.

      Obama’s birth certificate in Hawaii has been confirmed by multiple officials of both political parties and by the Index Data and by the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers which at the time were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii, and at the time the DOH only sent out birth notices for children born in Hawaii.

      • upaces88

        Great Post….did you hear that the Hospital in Hawaii didn’t exist at the time of his supposed birth?

      • ehancock

        Re: “.did you hear that the Hospital in Hawaii didn’t exist at the time of his supposed birth?”

        Yes I heard that crap. It is not true.

        How do we know? Because on WND’s site there are photographs of the birth certificates for the Nordyke Twins, and they were born one day after Obama at the same hospital. What was the name of the hospital on their birth certificates? Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital, the exact same name as on Obama’s birth certificate.

  • Ron

    And while Lord Trump of the Nobility is busy “Saving” America from the negritude of the Kenyigger, yet another filthy, hate-filled liberal traitor of the America-despising Dwight Eisenhower/Ronald Reagan model of R.I.N.O. has BETRAYED the coming Confederacy by DARING to question your legitimacy:

    “Jeb Bush Questions G.O.P.’s Shift to the Right”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/12/us/politics/jeb-bush-takes-aim-at-fellow-republicans.html?_r=1&nl=us&emc=edit_cn_20120611

    This guy is almost as big a CommuNaziRottenHomoSocialistNig-Akenyan as Barry Goldwater was. WHY do they hate RealAmerica so?

    Because the only REAL America is the Confederate States of America–coming soon to a waterboarding near you!

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