TREASON!: Lawmaker Clamor For NSA Whistle-Blower Prosecution

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If Edward Snowden had blown the whistle on unConstitutional spy orders from the Administration of George W. Bush, would Congressional response sound different?

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Thursday that she is working on a fact sheet to illustrate why the Barack Obama Administration’s abrogation of Americans’ Constitutional rights is nobler than the Bush-era abrogation of Americans’ Constitutional rights.

Pelosi, who is advocating for the government prosecution of National Security Agency leaker Snowden, said she believes that the current President has operated within the rule of law by seeking an order from a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to spy on Americans, whereas President George W. Bush acted unilaterally.

Of the leak that revealed the spy tactics, Pelosi said Snowden provided information to the media in direct violation of Patriot Act and FISA rules. She is joined in bipartisan support for prosecuting Snowden by a growing number of Congressional Democrats and old guard Republicans.

“On the strength of leaking that [information], yes, that would be a prosecutable offense, and I think that he should be prosecuted,” Pelosi said.

Fellow California Senate Democrat Dianne Feinstein said that Snowden is guilty of treason.

“I don’t look at this as being a whistle-blower,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calf.) said. “I think it’s an act of treason.”

The two lawmakers are in agreement with Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who tweeted Monday: “I hope we follow Mr. Snowden to the ends of the earth to bring him to justice.”

While the aforementioned lawmakers have taken a hard stance against Snowden, the results of a recent Reuters-Ipsos poll indicate that the American populace has yet to decide whether the leaker is a patriot or a traitor. A higher number of respondents (31 percent) did, however, describe the whistle-blower as a patriot. Twenty-three percent said Snowden was a traitor and 46 percent said they didn’t know.

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Sam Rolley

Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After covering community news and politics, Rolley took a position at Personal Liberty Media Group where could better hone his focus on his true passions: national politics and liberty issues. In his daily columns and reports, Rolley works to help readers understand which lies are perpetuated by the mainstream media and to stay on top of issues ignored by more conventional media outlets.

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  • Darral

    Lets look at the facts, NSA was started under the Ford administration, expanded under the Carter administration, then for decades nothing, After 9/11 Bush revised it to find and track, locate terrorists , Obama and this Democratic Administration expanded it to include surveillance on all Americans,

    • Chris

      If treason has been committed, it has been committed by all our elected officials who have been passing these laws that violate the Constitution in the first place. What has Mr. Snowden done? Told us what most of us already know. Is it some big secret that the government spent 2 billion dollars on a data center in Utah where they can monitor, analyze, and store wordwide communications. These congressmen and senators are just worried that they might get voted out of office if the people finally realize what they are doing to us. I have two words for most of them and they are not thank you.

      • Darral

        YOU’RE FIRED

      • rocketride

        I’m guessing that one of the words is, nonetheless, “you”.

    • Dave

      Darral,

      Can you tell me how he Gov is supposed to “find and track” terrorists? Please tell me how that is done since you know.
      If anyone does not like their e-mails being looked at, I suggest they unplug their computer and leave the grid. I find it laughable that people expect privacy. if your e-mail contains certain words, it will trigger extra scruitny. The NSA could care or less about which movie you and Sally are looking at. Its a new world today.

      • Darral

        First I did not say I knew how it was done just the purpose , Second this is the same type system used in North Korea to control the people, Cuba, Hitler used it Stalin Used it and other Dictators have used it , to Identify citizens opposed to the Dictatorship, and those in Power , no it is not a new thing Just a new system,

        • JeffH

          Darral, realize that the progressive shill, Dave47D, has the inside scoop on the NSA and everything else the government does.

          The shill Dave47D says: “If anyone does not like their e-mails being looked at, I suggest they unplug their computer and leave the grid. I find it laughable that people expect privacy. if your e-mail contains certain words, it will trigger extra scruitny. The NSA could care or less about which movie you and Sally are looking at. Its a new world today.”

          In short, progressive Dave47D is a “HYPOCRIT” of the highest order.

          Dave47d’s progressivism prefers collective social welfare over its perceived adversary, individual freedom. It is an either or situation: you are free one way or free their way. If individual freedom triumphs, progress is not possible. To be “free” in the progressive sense is to be liberated by government forces from unpleasant social circumstances created by your fellow citizens. For the Founders, freedom is protected by government. For the Progressives, freedom is having your physical welfare secured by government, your physical welfare being a protection from the perceived excesses of others’ individual freedom in the marketplace.

          You see, the progressive shill, Dave47D, subscribes to and believes in the idea that big government is only here to help and always has our best interest at heart.

          • BrotherPatriot

            Great to see you plugging away, brother. :)

          • JeffH

            And you too fellow & BrotherPatriot.

          • BrotherPatriot

            Hooyah…!

          • Dave

            Jeffrey, I see you have not gone to the range yet. Why do you continue to lie about Progressives? Oh… I forgot its what you do.

            Jeffrey, why do you think using a public vehicle like the internet means your communications are private? Its funny to hear obtuse conservatives worried about their privacy on something they don’t own or control yet hold up people McCarthy as a hero who “outed” communists.

            How much do you know about the NSA? Judging by your ignorance, you know zip.

            Snowden on the one hand should be applauded for getting us to have a conversation about the UNPatriot Act we should have had in 2001 when everyone, especially conservatives were running around like scared little rabbits everytime Bush put the “terror” threat level at MAUVE on their favorite program, FAUX News.

            On the other hand, Snowden broke the law and we must not let those who compromise national security get away with such things because the Chinese, Russians, Israelis etc are all trying to get info out of us as well and we do the same to them. Its been going on since we broke away from England.
            Darral,
            Please do not even compare what is happening now with what N. Korea does or what Hitler did please. That is just ignorant.

          • JeffH

            Dave47D, like Chris Matthews, you’re having a difficult time holding yourself together…your repetitiveness gives you away.
            http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/Hattles1/media/goodguncontrol_zps1c2aeaa3.jpg.html?sort=3&o=4#/user/Hattles1/media/goodguncontrol_zps1c2aeaa3.jpg.html?sort=3&o=4&_suid=1371234032568023578098333366687

            Neither one of you have an ounce of credibility and like Matthews, you can’t even stay focused…your lying won’t change either of those facts.

            I conclude, by your support of the government’s NSA spying, that you believe wholly in the eletist government’s “Abuse of Power” and you believe what they are telling you.

            Please tell all of us, as an NSA insider(LMAO now), just what you know about the NSA? And please, don’t take the progressshillsll’s line and quote any of the Obama administration’s government officials or government legislators like the ultra progressive McCain, Fiendyke or Schumer and their ilk.

            Your post is pretty much consumed with the typical incoherent babbling and untruths of an unhinged progressive.

          • Dave

            Where do I “support” the NSA spy program Jeffrey?, the only liar here is you. You just make stuff up according you the narrative you need to believe.

          • JeffH

            Dave47D, that’s what is so good about forums like PLD…you say it and it comes right back to expose you for what you are…a liar!

            Dave47D said: “Can you tell me how (t)he Gov is supposed to “find and track” terrorists? Please tell me how that is done since you know.

            If anyone does not like their e-mails being looked at, I suggest they unplug their computer and leave the grid. I find it laughable that people expect privacy. if your e-mail contains certain words, it will trigger extra scruitny. The NSA could care or less about which movie you and Sally are looking at. Its a new world today.”

            Sure looks like you believe in, and support, the NSA’s abusive and unconstitutional spying program to me.

            Anyone else believe that Dave47D never read, understands or believes in the Fourth Amendment?

            Anyone else get the idea that Dave47D’s trusts and supports the NSA’s unconstitutional spying on 100’s of million citizens? He most certainly showed no hint of disdain for the NSA or their spying on US citizens.

            Anybody else think I’m just making all of this up to satisfy my own personal narrative?

            Anyone else see Dave47D as the progressive shill that he is?

          • Dave

            Reading comprehension is clearly not one of your strong suits Jeffrey.
            I am asking Darral a question. I know friends in the NSA, FBI which is more that I can say for you. I know what they look for in communications.
            But you believe that on a public forum like the internet, your communications are private? LOL!!!! I guess you can’t fix stupid.
            I do not agree with the program. I do not believe there are enough safeguards in the program at present and while one day they can only go after those who would do this nation harm, I do not believe the apparatus is in place to prevent abuse. We are finally having this debate we should have had in late 2001.
            Anymore lies before you go to the range and clear your mind?

          • JeffH

            No lies here but your own…the proof is in your pudding Dave47D despite your attempted backpedaling…your tune keeps changing with every post.

            Dave47D then says: “But you believe that on a public forum like the internet, your communications are private? LOL!!!! I guess you can’t fix stupid.”

            Oh really? An ignorant progressive trying to put words in someone elses mouth? Just how stupid can you get Dave47D? You answered that when you said “I guess you can’t fix stupid”.

            FYI – eddie liked to use “LOL” too…two peas in the proverbial pod!

            If you have the guts, let’s just let the rest of the PLD participants decide the outcome of my accurate and pointed questions.

          • Dave

            LOL… How many conservatives are here vs Liberals? LOL. You are just so darling sometimes….

          • vicki

            Dave you should quit embarrassing yourself :) It’s just, well, embarrassing.

          • Dave

            What are you talking about Vicki? I am not the one with the lame avatar and making up stuff. That is your boy Jeff “manly man because I can shoot a gun”H

            JeffH, you wouldn’t know how many conservatives are here? This is a conservative site!!! You conservatives flock together and need to share your tin hats.

          • vicki

            Nothing but ad hominem and argument to ridicule. Clearly you are the Dave of whom JeffH speaks

          • JeffH

            WOW! What a surprise.

          • JeffH

            LMAO at the the “avatar” and “manly man”comment by the ignorant dolt! It’s a good thing we’re not in the same room together, Dave47D might physically attack me with his mighty IQ and his limp wrists …and I beg to differ Dave47D, you make things up all of the time…you just don’t ‘fess up.

            You’re here Dave47D and you aren’t a conservative. As a matter of fact, I personally know of several people on this website that aren’t conservatives.

            Your Ignorance is never out of style. It was your fashion yesterday, it is the brunt of your rage today and it will surely set the pace for you tomorrow.

          • Dave

            Tell me where I make things up please…

            “I personally know of several people on this website that aren’t conservatives.”
            That’s great Jeffrey, I am sure you have plenty of black friends too… Good for you Jeffrey, but just because you know of “several non-conservatives” on this site doesn’t mean most of the posters here are not conservative.
            Your regurgitating conservative doctrine and lies about liberals and progressives, is not factual… buit it is entertaining to watch conservatives disown the likes of George W. Bush, John McCain etc…Anyone who disagrees with the right wing loon cabel of screws the country royally gets kicked out of the conservative club and are now religated to neo-Con status or even more pathetic is DaveH trying to convince himself that George W Bush was a progressive. You are good for a chuckle oh mental midget one… Now off to the gun range so you can feel better about yourself.

          • JeffH

            Give it up Dave47D…you sound more & more like a repeating parrot everytime you run your chops.

            You want some GREY POUPON for your feet.?
            Quite sure it’ll make them more palatable each time you stick them in your mouth.

            Wah! Wah! Wah!

          • JeffH

            The poor little baby is gonna split a gusset!

            “Avatar”, “manly man”, shoot a gun”? OMG I just about peed my pants from laughing at such a totally ignorant comment.

            Want some more cheese with that whine?

            Dave47D’s Ignorance is never out of style. His ignorance was his fashion yesterday, it fuels his rage today and it will set the pace for him tomorrow.

          • JeffH

            I wouldn’t know how many conservatives are here…but I’m sure you do. Tell us how many Dave47D!

            Thank you, it sure beats the heck out of being stupid…you should try it yourself sometime.

          • rocketride

            Expect privacy? In a forum like this, explicitly no. This is exactly like shouting on a street corner. But in an email sent to specific individuals, or a phone call, most definitely yes. It should take a specific wiretap order or search warrant to (signed off on by a real judge who performs all the usual judicial functions– not some specialist functionary with a rubber stamp) against at least one party to the call or message for those to be accessible to a government. Seriously, though, if you want email privacy, use encryption.

          • rocketride

            I wonder if that warm feeling going down old Chris’ leg has turned to itching and burning, yet.

          • JeffH

            Naw, he doesn’t have any feelings at all.

          • rocketride

            You’re probably right.

          • rocketride

            Why should email or the phone be any less private than sending a letter through the Post Office was once assumed to be?

      • vicki
        • dave

          Its only what i have been saying for a long time. Do not live life in fear of the Gov. The Gov needs to be afraid of the people. that process starts with getting big monied interests out of the political arena. Reverse the Citizen’s United decision and forbid large contributions to both corrupt parties.

          • vicki

            The process starts by returning the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

            Prohibiting people from spending their money as they choose is the act of a dictator.

          • Dave

            Hmmm… Really? Guns…. Ok, Maybe you need to take a tour of Palmdale CA, San Diego CA, Camp Pendleton, Ft Carson etc and see whats cooking over there. The Gov has these things called ships, tanks and missles and WMDs.
            So assuming our type of Gov completely is destroyed and we have this dictator you all fear so much, the “gun” is the least effective means to affect lasting change. Civil Rights in the 1960’s were not won through war, it was won in the war of ideas and voting people in that supported equality.
            Getting big money out of the political arena means that the working people of this country will have an equal say with the elites.
            Wise up Vicki.

          • vicki

            Hmmm… Really? Guns…. Ok, Maybe you need to take a tour of Palmdale
            CA, San Diego CA, Camp Pendleton, Ft Carson etc and see whats cooking over there. The Gov has these things called ships, tanks and missles and WMDs.

            And with all that firepower the mightiest military on the face of the earth got handed its walking papers in Vietnam. It has yet to actually do anything really useful in Afghanistan. This country was formed in a battle with the mightiest military of their time.

            Side note, The reason for the 2nd Amendment is so that ALL of the people keep and bear arms, not just the standing army.

            So assuming our type of Gov completely is destroyed and we have this dictator you all fear so much, the “gun” is the least effective means to affect lasting change.

            When faced with a dictatorship who uses the standing army to suppress the people your little ideas and votes will be worth all the paper it is printed on.

            Civil Rights in the 1960’s were not won through war, it was won in the war of ideas and voting
            people in that supported equality.

            Civil Rights was won because our representatives decided to uphold their oath and support the Constitution.

            Getting big money out of the political arena means that the working people of this country will have an equal say with the elites.

            The working people have ALWAYS had an equal say in the form of votes. Prior to social networking people would pool their money together and buy advertizing to try and persuade others to vote for their candidate. Now with social networking all that money can be bypassed.

            Now if you are somehow trying to claim that big money is buying representatives votes that is called graft and corruption and is illegal no matter who does it.

            Wise up Vicki.

            There is wisdom here in this thread. Unfortunately for you it is not in your posts.

          • Dave

            Wow Vicki,
            Comparing the United States and its citizens with wars in foreign lands where we are the foreign power and in the case of Vietnam, in there for completely the wrong reasons.
            Then Vicki thinks the big money for ad buys and buying politicians is on par with corp abilities and that of the wealthy.
            Vicki, the “wisdom” in this thread is not coming from you either.

          • rocketride

            And, IIRC, those politicians who upheld their oaths did have to send Police and/or National Guards in on a number of occasions. (So much for Dave’s disparagement of guns. Even governments manage to do good and constructive things with them on occasion.)

      • JeffH

        Maxine Waters February 2013: Obama Has Database of Everything on Everyone

        In the wake of the explosive NSA data-mining revelations, Breitbart TV reminded us of an interesting Rep. Maxine Waters bombshell from February. In an interview, Rep. Waters described a very powerful database that “no one has ever seen before in life,” “put in place” by Obama, that had “information about everything on every individual on ways that it’s never been done before.”

        The Breitbart piece was titled “Breitbart Flashback: Maxine Waters Reveals Obama’s Secret Database Filled with Voters’ Private Info.”
        http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/06/09/Breitbart-Flashback-Maxine-Waters-Reveals-Obams-Secret-Data-Base-Filled-With-Voters-Private-Info

        Although what Rep. Waters described seems eerily similar to the recently leaked NSA secret database, she was not referring to the NSA, and not necessarily to anything “secret.”

        Waters and her interviewer specifically identified the keeper of the “powerful” database that she described as “Organizing for America” (“OFA”) — Obama’s campaign machine, which at the time was being restructured as a 501(c)4 and renamed “Organizing for Action.”

        That database began as a massive voter “list” for the 2008 campaign — the brainchild of Obama advisor David Plouffe, who was “instructed” by Obama to turn it into a “new lever of government.” A second successful election later, that list evolved into a database that was the subject of a November 2012 Washington Post article that opened with this:

        If you voted this election season, President Obama almost certainly has a file on you. His vast campaign database includes information on voters’ magazine subscriptions, car registrations, housing values and hunting licenses, along with scores estimating how likely they were to cast ballots for his reelection. And although the election is over, Obama’s database is just getting started. Democrats are pressing to expand and redeploy the most sophisticated voter list in history.

      • rocketride

        I take it that you mean like they found the brothers Tsarnaev before the bombings. And that was with heads-ups from the Russian authorities. It’s clear that the excuse for the surveillance is just that.

        Even if you see a shepherd/ sheep relationship between the government and the people, I’d point out that shepherds’ intentions towards individual sheep are seldom happy for the sheep.

  • Horace

    This administration really calls Snowden’s act TREASON — such audacity. Obama has consistently committed TREASON even before getting into office. First & foremost he isn’t even a U.S. citizen but is acting as a President of our country. Is that not treason!!!!! Why not go after the illegal Chief & oust him first. Then follow with all the others such as Holder, Reid, Schulman & the long list of those doing this same thing. I personally think Snowden is a Patriot because he called Obama’s hand on the illegal things he is doing to Americans.

    • rocketride

      By definition, the perfidies of which you’re accusing Obama wouldn’t constitute treason, specifically because he would have to have been a US citizen at the time of his betrayal. Treason is specifically for citizens betraying their own governments. But a prosecution under the statutes concerning espionage or agents provocateurs would likely “fly”. Over in those sections of the law, it doesn’t matter what his citizenship status was/is.

  • Prudence

    I am worried about whether he is a traitor or his act is treason. I am more worried about how we can help this young man if is captured by our government. Do you guys have any plan?

  • dan

    King George called the founding fathers treasonous (and they were the same age as this patriotic lad)….and now we have the Congresional pots calling the TEA-kettle
    thats about to boil over black.

  • Merle Dickey

    Seinstein should keep her mouth shut. She is for letting 20 million illegals in and she is worried that this young man told us something we didn’t suspect any way. Our president is more of traitor than he is . smooching up to the black muslim brotherhood.! Hiring several muslims in his cabinet. One or two but 6 or 7!! What about his facilty in Utah that has us all under a micro scope anyway. Don’t hear about that much do we.

  • jim b

    The Goberment’s stupidity is on display, they captured data they had no right to capture, then, because they are idiots, they didn’t know the first thing about how to secure it properly, and now they want dead or alive the one who blew the whistle on how inept they really are! Hey here’s an idea, fire their entire IT security team who obviously are incompetent, fire the bureaucrats responsible from running this boondoggle of an operations. Let’s see some government head chopping, this incompetence should not be tolerated. They create all these data regulations for the private sector.. SOX, CFPB, Dodd-Frank… all BS, and then drop the ball on every security control they are responsible for themselves, they leak like a civ, and these idiots don’t even know it. Man I’d like the chance to audit their systems, I’ll rip them all a new a-hole, and clean out the whole lot of them. In any event, now that we know who in Goberment is responsible for this law breaking organization i.e. those looking for whistleblower’s head, we should do some head hunting of our own.

    Remembering Ben Franklin:
    When we the citizens can give up essential liberty (like to the NSA, DHS, TSA, CIA, FBI…) to obtain a little temporary safety we deserve and get neither safety nor liberty.

    A nation of well-informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God (WE ARE A CHRISTIAN NATION PEOPLE) has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the religion of ignorance (helped along by the government’s 12 year sentence) that tyranny begins.

    Welcome to the new America!

  • Warrior

    Well, queen nan, maybe snowden has something we need to see first before “we” pass judgement. You’re a frickin joke!

  • Peter

    Snowden is a national hero! In fact, he’s a hero to the entire western world.
    We live in a gloriously dangerous position when we dare to embrace freedom for the individual within nominal behavioral constraints.
    That position leaves us open to various predicaments and vagaries often caused by the behavior of others.
    Caveat emptor.
    I would have it no other way.
    Let the spies wallow in their filth.

  • Nadzieja Batki

    Why is Pelosi and Feinstein complaining since Snowden is one of their own minions? Snowden probably put out the leak info that the officials wanted put out.

    • JeffH

      Perhaps it’s because Snowden doesn’t want to be a government “minion” anymore?

  • DavidL

    Patriot or traitor? He’s an American citizen who broke the law and then fled the country. If, as he wants us to believe, “his conscience” motivated his actions, then why run away taking other national security secrets with him?

    “One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, lovingly, and with a willingness to accept the penalty. I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its
    injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law.” (MLK)

    He should be brought back to the US, debriefed if possible, and then placed on trial. If a jury acquits him, so be it. If they convict, as I believe it would, so be it. That is our system.

    • Wiley2

      With the degree of corruption, lawlessness, and unconstitutional behavior that prevails in our government, which makes of virtue of lying, it’s foolish to expect that he would receive a fair trial. In such an environment, the only reasonable course of action is to try to stay out of the government’s grasp.

      • JeffH

        Wiley2, I agree and I’ll add that you can be assured that Snowden is at the very top of this unconstitutional government’s “hit list”.

        I’ll trust the word of one of the most knowledgeable(The Constitution and the rule of law)men on the face of this earth, Judge Napolitano, who had this to say about Snowden:

        Judge Napolitano: NSA Leaker Edward Snowden AMERICAN HERO
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I3VWX5MBg8

    • Robert Zraick

      Yeah and MLK was assassinated. With everyone and his mother breaking the law in every branch of government, and with a secret covert spying agency with un constitutional unlimited power to kill people in complete secrecy he did the only thing possible.
      The government kills whistle blowers if they can.

      • BrotherPatriot

        Yuppers…

    • vicki

      Unproven assertion that he took any supposed secrets with him. It is worth noting that the most “transparent” administration in history is upset that someone actually dared to pull down one of the curtains.

      • rocketride

        He said it would be transparent, he just didn’t say at which wavelengths.

    • vicki

      who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community

      Kinda hard to arouse the conscience of the community when you are “dissappeared”. Can’t even get a trial that way, let alone a fair one.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Who’s going to try the Government for passing the Unconstitutional Law in the first place?

  • Shorty Stuff

    Congress should be offering him protection and immunity to come in and testify in front of them and the whole nation as to what atrocities and traitorous actions are occurring within Obama’s regime. We need more insiders to come forward instead of cowering and being afraid of speaking the truth due to the threat of reprisal from a corrupt government.

    • Jana

      Lindsey Graham said we can no longer question terrorists so we have no choice but to sneak around and (my words) spy on our own citizens.

      QUESTION. Why can’t question terrorists? Change those laws back to YES we can question these terrorists.

      We saw how they snuck in under the FBI’s nose and merandised the Boston Bomber. This should not be.

      Obama calls the Fort Hood Terrorist work place violence. Ha his own defense is he was trying to protect his fellow terrorists. It is on the news here in Texas. That is going to blow Obama’s theory right out of the water.

  • antiliberal00

    I don’t care what the law says, if it violates the constitution, the supreme law of the land, the law is null and void. The only ones that committed treason were the people that supported such anti-American behavior.
    On top of that, the people in congress should be held fully accountable for their actions for passing such unconstitutional laws and the judicial system should be held accountable for upholding laws that are plainly unconstitutional.
    I suspect if they start another civil war they will be personally held accountable for their illicit actions.

  • Chester

    So, if I understand most of these posters correctly, it is perfectly fine to expose a supposedly secret action if you think it is wrong, even if by doing so, you endanger others? That seems to be the attitude most of the people here are showing. If Mr. Snowden is so sure he has the right of things, why didn’t he stick around to defend himself? His actions make one wonder exactly WHAT China promised him to get him to break all this open.

    • Robert Zraick

      And how exactly did Snowden endanger others? What possible harm did he do. You have been listening to the spin that the real traitors have been repeating lately.
      You have it all wrong Chester

      • Chester

        I never stated that he had, just that too many people on here would have been just as proud of him, even if they KNEW he had put agents in danger as they are not knowing. When you start dumping top secret material out for the world to see, you don’t KNOW who is or isn’t going to be affected by your exposure. I will say it seems that they are handing out top secret clearances like candy at Halloween if this guy got one.

        • Frank Kahn

          Actually, your original post was obviously intended to enrage supporters of Snoden. If you had left it at the simple implication that his actions did pose a threat to harm people, you might have been able to make this last claim. However, you implied that he was working for China, which is further proof that you were trying to suggest that his actions were malevolent in design.

          Your postings is lacking reasonable intent, and you are therefor seeming to be defending the unconstitutional actions of our current administration. What was done, was patently unconstitutional, and the prevarications of the administration are blatant lies attempting to deflect the truth of their actions. For that worthless piece of crap from California to say that, having a secret government organization authorize the actions of another secret government organization, makes it constitutional is so twisted that it makes a reasonable person sick. And Holder’s attempt to claim he knew nothing about any of the spying, appears to be a lie also.

          Now, there is no reasonable expectation to believe that the basic revelation of the unconstitutional spying could have put anyone’s life in danger. Therefor, we only need to judge his actions based on the reasons he had for doing it. Outing the government for its unconstitutional acts is a good thing. For that he is a hero. However, if he goes too far, in releasing information about knowledge of other countries like China, then he is in danger of committing treason. The fact that he left the immediate jurisdiction of our country is understandable, and prudent. Under the current administration, he might have been a dead fool if he had not taken that step.

    • vicki

      So, if I understand most of these posters correctly, it is perfectly
      fine to expose a supposedly secret action if you think it is wrong, even
      if by doing so, you endanger others?

      I will then presume that you do not want us to call the police should we see a burgler breaking into your occupied home?

      • perry

        WHAT KIND OF NUT ARE YOU?how has he endangered any one the they know what the NSA IS DOING they are not as dumb as you think.You must like the demos.

        • vicki

          I will presume by your ad hominem that you have a reading comprehension problem. Or maybe a writing one.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        D’oh! :-) :-) :-) Keep up the good fight fellow patriot! Here is some good news from Texas.
        http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/christmas-comes-early-texas-gov-perry-signs-religious-freedom-bill
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
        “Power always thinks that it is doing God’s service when it is violating all His laws.”
        John Adams
        2nd President of the U. S.
        Founding father
        Devout Christian

  • Albert Maslar

    While pushing for prosecution for Edward Snowden for treason, why not include prosecuting President Obama on treason charges as well, as he has bent, folded and stapled the Constitution almost beyond repair. Persecuting Christians while promoting Islam is just the tip of the iceberg. The unconstitutional list is too well known and too long to repeat here in detail, but infringing of the Constitution and Bill of Rights have become his modus operandi, including major transgressions against freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom to bear arms, and voting laws; grounds for impeachment and perhaps incarceration upon impeachment. Take away Obama’s Air Force One jet plane and its twin used by his Lady Michelle.

  • DonnaAngelStar

    Snowden deserves to be awarded the Medal of Freedom.

  • satelliter

    He is entitled to a speedy trial by a jury of his “peers”. Sounds OK to me as I am one of his peers and will never consider him a traitor or any other law breaker. If the politicians can break the so called law, with impunity, then so can our citizens.

  • justamused

    Bob Livingston, Its time for you to stop giving voice to the DREGS of the federal government! 3 of the 4 most treasonous wastes’ of DNA are cited in this article.

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear justamused,

      You write: ” Its time for you to stop giving voice to the DREGS of the federal government! 3 of the 4 most treasonous wastes’ of DNA are cited in this article.” How better to expose them than to let their own words indict them?

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • vicki

    From the OP

    “Of the leak that revealed the spy tactics, Pelosi said Snowden provided
    information to the media in direct violation of Patriot Act and FISA
    rules.”

    Does the phrase “STAR Chamber” have any meaning to people anymore?

    • JeffH

      Does “unconstitutional” come to mind?

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Sure does. This whole admin is unconstitutional. Here is some good news.
        http://www.newsmax.com/US/palin-returning-fox-news/2013/06/13/id/509851?s=al&promo_code=13D36-1
        Here is a site to go to and sign a petition to start impeachment procedings on Obama bin Laden.
        http://www.petition2congress.com/10283/capitol-hills-daily-petition-to-impeach-barack-obama/
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
        “Twenty times in the course of my reading have I been on the point of breaking out, ‘This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there was no religion in it!’ But in this exclamation I would nave been as fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean hell.”
        John Adams
        2nd President of the U. S.
        Founding father
        Devout Christian

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Since you have blatently misinterpreted what our Christian founding fathers, and others, have said, this shows your lack of understanding of our Christian founding. There is not enough time to correct you on the misinterpretations and use of deconstructionism, so I’ll let you just wollo in your own ignorance. Remember, there are no atheists in fox holes. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
          “Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter…the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence.”
          Daniel Webster
          American statesman
          Devout Christian

          • Bob666

            Yo Geisha Boy,

            “here is not enough time to correct you on the misinterpretations and use of deconstructionism, so I’ll let you just wollo in your own ignorance”

            We have been watching you wallo in your ignorance for some time now!

            How are those sessions with Marcus going?do you still hear men’s voices coming from your underwear?

            Albert Abraham Michelson,
            American physicist. Successfully measured the speed of light, gaining the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1907. Washington Lodge No. 21 New York City.

  • BrotherPatriot

    ROOT level thinking…if the action of a whistle-blower reveals corruption within our government then it becomes the whistle-blower’s DUTY to reveal it. Therefore, whistle-blowers are serving the Constitution which is supposed to be the highest law of the land. This should give immunity to the whistle-blower from government retaliation since they are serving the Will of the People & the Constitution that they are upholding.
    We cannot forget, that Oath Keepers serving at the highest Order, do not serve the government or any particular political member but instead serves the Constitution itself. A precious document ratified by the States and blessed by God.
    It is our own fault that we as a Nation have turned from God’s loving teachings and instead have embraced Lucifer’s wicked money system implemented by the House of Rothschild & the rest of the secret societies and NWO Agenda followers.
    Time to wake up & start addressing what true History is telling us. Stop them in their tracks & take our money supply BACK America. You don’t stand a chance unless you do. End the illegal non-Federal, privately owned, never ratified Federal Reserve & abolish the IRS. Then…and only then will We the People begin to truly make strides in restoring our Republic.
    Hooyah & God Bless.

    • JeffH

      Hear! Hear!

      • BrotherPatriot

        I would like to add my concerns here though also. That Snowden going to communist China & Russia is disturbing.
        Is he a wolf’s in sheep’s clothing or is he a true blue Patriot. If so…why communist countries? Maybe because they may not extradite him?
        I feel like the whistle-blower Snowden is a Patriot…but I still worry about the communist implications & possible psyop’s being played against the American People.
        God Bless the Truth & may we reveal it…

        • Dave

          He is held up in Hong Kong because there is no extradition in place. Whether anybody likes or dislikes what the NSA is doing as a result of the UNPatriot Act is immaterial at this point.
          He broke the law. He he is allowed to get away with it, What should others be allowed to share in the name of the publics right to know? I am not sure.
          Nothing yet has come forth about him sharing anything further with the Chinese but its a valid concern. Snowden is now a wanted man in America so it will be interesting to see how this will play out.

          • JeffH

            Hong Kong signed an extradition treaty with the US shortly before the territory returned to Chinese sovereignty in 1997.

            “You get extraditions several times a year from Hong Kong,” said Clive Grossman S.C, a barrister and former vice-chairman of the Hong Kong Bar Association.

            Under the Fugitive Offenders (United States of America) Order, both Hong Kong and the US have agreed to extradite someone who has committed “an offence which is punishable under the laws of both Parties by imprisonment or other form of detention for more than one year… unless surrender for such offence is prohibited by the laws of the requested Party.”

            Regina Ip, a legislator and Hong Kong’s former Secretary for Security, told reporters that the Hong Kong government was “obliged to
            http://www.bellenews.com/2013/06/10/world/asia-news/edward-snowden-faces-strong-risk-of-extradition-from-hong-kong-to-us/#ixzz2WDtwnU9T

          • Dave

            But China has veto power over that treaty. can you say “horse trade”?

          • Dave

            “Hong Kong could refuse to extradite US whistleblower Edward Snowden if Beijng wanted to keep him, according to a treaty signed between the United States and Hong Kong almost two decades ago.

            Hong Kong has the “right of refusal when surrender implicates the ‘defense, foreign affairs or essential public interest or policy’” of the People’s Republic of China, according to the US-Hong Kong Extradition Treaty signed in 1997.

            Snowden chose to seek refuge in Hong Kong because of the city’s “strong tradition of free speech”, he said in an interview with theGuardian published earlier today. He also said that he was concerned about being handed to mainland Chinese or US authorities.”

          • JeffH

            Without question!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Is this any worse than Obama bin Laden giving aid to Al Qaeda?
            http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/04/11/syria-al-qaeda-connection/2075323/
            Or how about having Syrians come here to live, though they may be connected to Al Qaeda?
            http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/06/11/Obama-Admin-considers-Resettling-Thousands-of-Syrian-Refugees-in-U-S
            Snowden only exposed what the Obama bin Laden administration was doing to the average American, so how is he a traitor or criminal? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “A nation of well informed men we have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins.”
            Benjamin Franklin
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Is it breaking the law to inform the citizens that Big Government is breaking the Main Law of the Land — The Constitution?

        • JeffH

          BrotherPatriot, that is a question that will be answered in time and I will reserve my final judgement until all of the facts are out…and not just the Gov’s version.

          • vicki

            Secrets about spying on the American people serve to protect tyrants and not the people.

          • JeffH

            Absolutely!

  • Blank Reg

    It’s people like Feinstein and King who are the traitors. Along with a lot of other moral cowards in the Congress. Time to purge the entire lot.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Well, 2014 is just around the corner. Here is an article showing the IRS is attacking Christians and Christian based groups.
      http://www.hotair.com/archives/2013/06/10/audio-irs-agent-tells-pro-life-group-keep-your-faith-to-yourself/
      Here is one from Rand Paul showing the pretender’s administrations war on Christianity.
      http://www.westernjournalism.com/rand-paul-there-is-a-war-on-christianity/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “There must be religion. When that ligament is torn, society is disjointed and its members perish. But the most important of all lessons is the denunciation of ruin to every state that rejects the precepts of religion.”
      Gouverneur Morris
      September 04, 1816
      Founding father
      Devout Christian

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        You have, once again, misinterpreted what James Madison was saying. He was describing the Catholic Church, not Christianity as a whole. Since James Madison was a protestant, they held not good feelings towards the Catholic Church at that time. If this is true, then why did he get the idea of the 3 branches of our government from Isaiah 33:22?
        “The Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our King; he will save us.”
        Ergo, the Lord is our judge. This helped to set up the SCOTUS, for they are judges, supposedly. The Lord is our lawgiver, set up the Legislative Branch, for they make and or pass laws. The Lord is our King, set up the Executive Branch, the president. We have no king sitting on a throne, except the Lord God, the president has some of the duties of a king at that time. All 3 branches are limited in what they can do, checks and balances. So stop with the misinterpretation of our Christian founding fathers. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
        “Your first great duties, you are sensible, are those you owe to heven, to your Creator, and Redeemer. Let these be ever present to your minds and exemplified in your lives and conduct.”
        William Samuel Johnson
        Founding father
        Devout Christian

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Jon,
        Do you know where that quote comes from?
        I’m not doubting it, just curious.

  • Sherry Shaw Wright

    Snowden is great, I vote for him as our next president.

  • asator88

    I guess freedom of speech don’t apply to Snowden, nor anyone else when you tell on the government. This is exactly what our founding fathers were afraid of and we are allowing it.

  • guest

    snowden to paper = whistle blower
    reporter had duty to report, hopefully not in too much detail
    snowden takes PRISM to china = traitor

    NSA prevent terrorism = good

    NSA spy on Americans to prevent terror now what?

    What the NSA has been doing for a very looooong time – spying in megabites as well as microbites (vision of grandeur and paranoia aside)

    is less intrusive though more thorough and longer lasting than the airport scrutiny and less embarrassing.

    This is a false flag to take our freedoms away again

    Freedom of the Press is important
    Freedom of Speech is important that would be hate crimes
    Freedom of service is important if I do not want to serve you, first off you should not want me to serve you, and next I should not be forced to serve you
    Freedom to carry concealed or otherwise BASIC right

    too much abuse IRS, our intelligence gathering is for profit and works for other governments

  • ONTIME

    Snowden in my opinion is a gutless coward and has not the backbone to stay and fight for conviction and principal…Those referring to him as a traitor are in many cases no better than Snowden himself. A prime example is Di Fi and her yelp. Di Fi is one who hates corruption, especially if she cannot get a part of it. Ask her about her hubby’s recent political plum a uncontested government contract and the $millions it will bring him and Di…

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Right on fellow patriot. Next year, Sook Young and I intend to vote for candidates that go totally by the Constitution and not by party rhetoric. The people you describe are the 5th column in this country. Some of them are posting on this site. Here are some articles about Snowden, who is a hero, not a traitor.
    http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/edward-snowden-hero-or-traitor/
    http://www.thehill.com/video/house/305335-pelosi-calls-for-snowdens-prosecution
    http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/video-beck-new-whistleblower-document-will-take-down-government/
    There are more, but I’ll post them throughout the thread. Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
    “Unto Him who is the author and giver of all good, I render sincere and humble thanks for His manifold and unmerited blessings and especially for our redemption and salvation by His beloved Son. Blessed be His holy name.”
    John Jay
    Founding father
    Devout Christian

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    We already are, but thanks for the suggestion. Here is an article and video that has Boehner calling Snowden a traitor.
    http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/video-boehner-calls-nsa-whistleblower-a-traitor/
    Here is one telling how the secrets he told could have brought about more government tyranny.
    http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/video-nsa-whistleblower-government-could-use-events-to-bring-tyranny/
    We hope that Putin does offer him assylum. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
    “The Bible is the best of all books, for it is the word of God and teaches us the way to be happy in this world and the next. Continue therefore to read it and to regulate your life by its precepts.”
    John Jay
    Letter to Peter Augustus Jay
    April 08, 1784
    Founding father
    Devout Christian

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    How did we ever get to this point, where we have allowed the Gang to hide behind the “National Security” BS to keep their employers (Us) from knowing what they’re really up to?
    Remember when Obama promised “transparency”?

    • 57girl

      The only promise Obama ever kept was ‘CHANGE’.

  • 57girl

    Feinstein and Pelosi accusing someone else of Treason … that’s just rich. If they’re going to follow someone to the ends of the Earth to bring justice, they’d better stay away from mirrors,lest they find what they are looking for. Ah, and then there’s the ‘big’ boss and Holder, both of whom should be easy to nail. And the list goes on…………………………………………………………………. .