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Tossing Grandma Off The Cliff And Other Democratic Lies

June 24, 2011 by  

Tossing Grandma Off The Cliff And Other Democratic Lies

The hysterics and hyperbole over raising the Federal debt ceiling are becoming absolutely absurd. If you were to believe Secretary of the Treasury Timothy Geitner, Council of Economic Advisers Chairman Austan Goolsbee and other Administration spokesmen, you would think we are about to face financial Armageddon.

Of course, if you believe Geitner, Goolsbee, et al, you’re a fool.

I can’t remember when the big spenders in Washington have conspired to tell a bigger pack of lies than they have about the dire consequences that will take place if Uncle Sam isn’t allowed to continue borrowing money. I wrote an entire column about Barack Obama’s Lying Liars in January; click here if you missed that one.

Among the deliberate misstatements are the threat that “we won’t be able to pay our troops who are fighting in Afghanistan.” That, of course, is a total fabrication. Our military personnel are considered “essential personal.” They would be paid every penny they are due even if the debt ceiling isn’t raised. So, unfortunately, would our Senators and Representatives. Yes, even the despicable Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are considered “essential personnel.” Who on Earth drafted such a law? Oh, right. Congress.

Remember, even if the debt ceiling isn’t raised, money will continue to pour into Washington by the bucketful. Do you think your withholding taxes are going to go away? That they won’t continue to collect every penny due for Medicare, Social Security and the million-and-one taxes that are imposed on businesses? Dream on, brother.

Here’s the shocking truth — shocking to anyone who believes the mainstream media, that is: The Federal government will continue to take in plenty of money to pay our troops, pay the interest on the national debt and pay almost everything else you and I would consider necessary.

What it won’t be able to do is to pay for all the socialistic boondoggles Barack Obama and his buddies want. Boo hoo. Too bad. What the guys and gals in Washington need to do is what every responsible family in America has already done. That is, reduce expenditures to match income. Live within your means. Don’t borrow money to finance a bunch of stuff you can’t afford.

Funny thing is, a lot of our leaders used to say the same thing. Let me call to the witness stand an obscure but ambitious senator from Illinois. Here’s what Obama said five years ago, during a similar debate over raising the debt: “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure… Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I, therefore, intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”

Today, of course, Obama is willing to pile a ton more debt on “our children and grandchildren.” I hope you won’t let him get away with it.

Another Vicious Lie

Did you see the Democratic commercial that’s been credited for defeating a Republican in what was supposed to be a “safe” district in upstate New York? It’s part of the left’s “Mediscare” campaign. In it, a conservatively dressed white businessman pushes a wheelchair holding an agitated grandma to the edge of a cliff — then promptly dumps her over the edge.

The video suggests that this is what Republicans want to do to every senior citizen — and will do if the budget plan devised by Representative Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) is allowed to pass.

If you believe the mainstream media, the fear campaign was so successful that the Republicans lost a special election for Congress that “everyone” expected them to win. But here’s what the lying media didn’t tell you.

It’s true that Kathy Hochul, the Democratic candidate, got 47 percent of the vote and was declared the winner. The Republican candidate, Jane Corwin, received 43 percent of the vote and lost.

What few accounts bothered to mention is that there was a spoiler in the race. A political opportunist named Jack Davis ran as a self-proclaimed “Tea Party” candidate. He spent a reported $3 million of his own money on the race and received 9 percent of the vote — enough to prevent a victory for the Republican.

Here’s the kicker: Davis had previously run for the same seat three times — as a Democrat. Moreover, he was actively opposed by the real Tea Party leadership. I don’t know what sort of reward he will receive for his actions, but don’t be surprised if it makes his $3 million “investment” seem worth it.

Will the “Mediscare” smear work next year? You can bet your bottom dollar that the Democratic leadership hopes so.

When Is A War Not A War?

The answer, I guess, is whenever the Democrats say so.

Under the terms of the War Powers Resolution, whenever the President commits American troops to battle anywhere in the world, he then has 60 days to tell Congress what he is doing and win approval for the engagement, and then 30 days after that to recall the troops if approval is not given.

But now, that 90-day deadline has come and gone. Is anyone interested in upholding the law here? Not in Barack Obama’s Administration. In fact, the No. 1 law enforcement officer in the country — Attorney General Eric Holder — has argued that the War Powers Resolution doesn’t apply here… because what’s happening in Libya is so inconsequential, it doesn’t amount to a “war.”

In the Alice-in-Wonderland world that our leaders inhabit, it doesn’t matter how many air strikes we’ve ordered or how many combatants have been killed — or innocent civilians, for that matter. If they say it’s not a war, then the rules of war — and the laws of Congress — don’t apply.

I could go on and on with other examples of the deliberate obfuscation our President and his cronies have been practicing. How about the whopper that “if you like your health insurance, you can keep it?” The latest estimates are that under Obamacare, some 80 to 120 million Americans will lose the independent health insurance they and their employers have been paying for.

Unless you’re a friend of the Administration, that is. In that case, you will probably be granted a waiver that exempts you from the law. It seems that just about everyone in Nancy Pelosi’s district has gotten one; how about you?

Yes, the rules are definitely different now. And they’re getting more different every day. That’s what happens when liars and lawbreakers are put in charge.

Hopefully, all of this will change dramatically 17 months from now.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • DaveH

    The real irony here is that by impoverishing the country with wild Government spending, and creating all that extra money, the real threat to Grandma is the Obama administration. Those living on fixed income (retirees) will see the value of their fixed payments decline dramatically as a result of the coming inflation. And who knows what the future holds for those who are dependent on Social Security. As the Government spends all the money away, they could very easily stiff the Social Security recipients. These are lawless crooks we’re talking about.
    As an example, look at what the Government did to GMs non-union pension plans:
    http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-gm-bailout-review-20110623,0,1291250.story?track=rss
    “Roughly 21,000 salaried employees lost up to 70% of their pensions, as well as life and health insurance.”

    • DaveH
      • DaveH

        Think about that Folks. Bondholders have had first right to company assets ever since I can remember. That’s why they’re willing to invest in bonds with low interest rates (safety, so they thought anyway). So then, along comes the Obama administration. They “bailout” GM with taxpayer money and in return receive Convertible Bonds which are hybrid Bond/Stock instruments. And then Government (under Obama) turns around and (Surprise!) converts their Bonds to Stock immediately to take over GM. I doubt seriously that the owners of GM would have borrowed the money if they had known what was awaiting them.
        Then Government stiffs the Bondholders with pennies on the dollar, and reward the very people who brought GM to its knees (the Unionists). Meanwhile Obama and company assured the taxpayers that they were not going to try to micromanage the company which, of course, would involve political rather than financial decisions about the course of the company. But now, it has been revealed that a Government panel has indeed been making “political” decisions and micromanaging the company, including cutting 70% of the value of the non-union members pensions. Their Pensions? I thought the Democrats were worried about Granny?
        Democrats have taken Lying to a whole new level. This reminds me so much of the stories I used to read about the USSR. It seems that Socialists and the Truth are like Oil and Water.

        • Annie

          DaveH……You are absolutely correct stating that the Democrats have taken lying to a brand new level. Please read “Reckless Endangerment – how ambition, greed and corruption caused economic armageddon” written by Gretchen Morgensen and Rosner. James Johnson – while in cahoots with Bill Clinton – formulated and planned the biggest scam against the American taxpayer under the erroneous tag of ‘Affordable Housing’.
          There seems to be not a single thing this current administration has done that is either legal or constitutional……..Point in fact, almost EVERYTHING that obama and his henchmen have done to bilk Americans and American taxpayers is at least treasonous but mostly it is FELONIOUS and ALL of those damnable politicians (including obama) should be in jail.

          • Old Henry

            Annie:

            In jail and then at the end of a rope – on the Evening News.

          • ron

            No one lies like a republican. Death panelsect. Paul Ryan lied so well he has most republicans thinking he will protect medicare. But i must say this is one thinh I like about republicans. They will stick with the paty lie and throw up a united front to advance the lie. Democrats on the other hand can not agree with each other long enough to keep the truth going and conservatives have been conditioned to think democrats will only lie.Case in point is health care. besides the death panels (lies) Republicans had their base convinced that under the health care package Medicare would be a thing of the pass. Now that is not as bad as the fact that the plan was called socialized medicine by republicans but not one republican was willing to give up medicare. Remember Keep your hands off my medicare. Except Dick Army and he can afford what ever health care he wants. he is also a lobbyist who has worked for /with the very industry that did not want this plan. Lie, no one lies like the republican machine. Regan, (arms for hostages , Iran Contra)

        • Wayne937

          DaveH, you are 100 percent correct in what you have reported. How can any sane man/woman want a Communist Muslim President this damn crooked. If he was in a private life he would be serving time in prison with his comrade from Illinois, Tony Rezko. If we had a Republican Congress I am sure they would have impeached this idiot by now. I am so disqusted with this administration and Congress. To support a man like this President you would have to be a real dunce. His supported should wear dunce caps so we’ll know who tdhey are.

          Bob Livington, I also concur on what you have said above. I want a person who can tell the truth. If a person can’t tell the truth what good are they? How can these Liberals on this forum support a man who lies and has done all the things that DaveH pointed out? Obama is destroying our liberties, our way of life and putting our country on he verge of bankruptcy like Greece and he has supporters helping him. Bob, I am sorry, but it is really hard to be nice to some of the Liberals on this forum. Of course, maybe we should feel sorry for those mentally challenged

          • April

            AMEN!! My dear fellow Patriot!!

          • Lee Baldwin

            Now Wayne937, Annie, FreedomFighter & DaveH, time to go out and campaign for anybody BUT the Obama in the next election. We all know many whom voted for him the first time and they will do it again if we don’t educate them. THEY WILL DO IT AGAIN IF WE DON’T EDUCATE THEM. Yes, I typed it twice in hopes that somebody reads it. Just about everybody here with the exception of Smilee already know the perils of the Obama. We need to get to those such as Smilee here who will go out and put an X where they don’t even know the implications

          • Kate8

            Wayne937 – I wouldn’t assume the Republicans would be any different if they were in charge, let alone impeach Obama. They don’t much oppose him now.

            Besides, the House could could vote to impeach if they wanted to. Heck, they won’t even question his BC or the fact that his records are sealed.

            The R’s are just as treasonous as the D’s. Maybe more, because they make us think they’ll change things, but never do.

          • vicki

            Lee Baldwin says:
            “…time to go out and campaign for anybody BUT the Obama in the next election.”

            That is exactly how we GOT Obama. People voted for anybody BUT Bush.

            Time (way past time) for a principled vote. Vote for the only party that stands for liberty. Vote Libertarian. It’s the only way to be sure.

            http://www.lp.org

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Uh, vicki, you have exposed yourself as one of the uneducated ones. You see, Bush wasnt running against Obama. His term limits were up. You do know that dont you? And though the drive by national media assaulted and attacked Bush unprecedented attacks for 8 years, had he been allowed to run again he would have beat Obama hands down. Obama won, because the Republicans made the biggest gaff ever, in running a career politician, who is a RINO to boot, at a time when people are sick of career politicians, and most die hard Republican voters werent about to vote for McCain, as he is too much like a democrat. So get schooled up girl, your missing the boat, and stop attacking Bush. He has been gone 2-1/2 years now, and this present admin continues to dig the hole they themselves have made, and are making it deeper and larger by the minute. Remember, Bush left with 4.5 percent unemployment. Obama has it up to 10 and rising, and we all know those are their false deflated numbers. In reality, its closer to 15 percent and rising, and we all know it.

          • ron

            Yes Wayne I said the same thing during the eight years of Bush. Not only did I wonder why his supporters did not wear dunce caps I wondered why he did not wear one in public. Again, I ask when did we elect a muslim president and is there some law that says we can’t?

          • Jana

            ron,
            No law against having a Muslim President, just a HUGE moral issue that he lied about it, and that he continues to lie about his intentions, when what he says is NOT what he does. He has done more harm to this country than even Carter. He continues to try to turn our country into a Communist country. I realize ron that you are for that, but thankfully most of us are not.

        • Vagabond

          Dave you have to remember one thing. if a democrat opens his-her mouth a LIE will roll out. I remember my dad saying he would wrather be called a son of a bitc than a democrat, I HATE democrats,

          • DaveH

            I don’t blame you. But we can’t absolve the Republicans in this Big Government growth. Since their inception they have been about Crony Capitalism (so have Democrat Leaders for almost as long). We need to get back to Free Markets so that the consumers decide which companies live and which die, not politicians. And we need to get Government out of the victimless crime arena.

          • vicki

            A really big step in getting the government out of victimless crime areas is getting people out of the victim mentality. Not just the usual victimless crimes like consensual drug use or consensual sex but all those other “crimes” where there is no real victim. Just think of all the new victim categories created in just the last 10 years. Most created by “hate speech” All those “offended” people. All those poor, misunderstood unions.

            TO find a list of the probable “victimless” who think they are victims just look at the “war on ______” All those “victims” used to justify government abuse.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I have to tell you, Im anti Union, and have been since I worked in them for 13 years, the first 8 in a plant that had 5 different unions working there. I witness waste that one couldnt fathom, because of the power of these unions holding the company hostage, until it finally closed, largely because of these same unions. But, I have to add this. GM got in bed with them, and made bad, bad pension agreements with them that finally caught up with them, and got them in huge financial trouble. Things were good, and they were making money hands over fist, writing corporate bonuses like drunken sailors, and giving the unions unbelievable pension monies that they later, now have come to not being able to afford. Now, having said that, these guys that worked all those 20 to 30 years there, earning this pension that was negotiated to them, I feel are fully entitled to receiving these said pensions that were bargained to them. The ones that should have paid, are the current workers and the new workers coming in, whether they have to work at minimum wage or take another job. There is no way these guys worked for these suckers in good faith, with this pension coming to them, then to have it taken away. Im sorry, buts that criminal. Then after screwing them, the obama admin takes billions of our dollars, and bails the company out to buy future UAW votes. What a scam. If I were all of you GM and Chrysler retirees that they screwed, I would wake the hell up and never vote for a democrat again. They played you for your vote all those years, and look what they did to you in the end. They used you up and threw you away, and now they take your money that you earned, and are using it to buy the new workers votes, and they will ditch them later also. That is who they are, and you all need to come to understand that.

        • Juice

          The republicans give to the wealthy and the dems give to the working man

          • independant thinker

            No the dems give to the welfare class. They give lip service to being for the working class but will screw them over faster than the Republican ever thought of.

          • usmadgirl

            Juice,

            You’re living in your own little progressive “reverse world”!

          • Carol

            If the dems give to the working man or WOMAN, then why has my SS had no COL for 3 years? Why does medicare take 96.60 from my SS every month, and then make me pay the full amount to my doctor? This started with the present administration, not before. I’m just lucky I don’t have a mortgage, although I may not have enough this year for my county taxes and will lose my home anyway. At 70, I’m way too old to start over again.

          • Kate8

            Carol – I hear ya.

          • vicki

            Juice says:
            “The republicans give to the wealthy and the dems give to the working man”

            If your “proof by bald assertion” were true, they would both steal from YOU so why are you apparently ok with one thief and not the other?

          • JeffH

            You’ve been drinking too much of the juice. LMAO!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You are so wrong. My parents brought me up democrat, believing that the Republicans are for the rich, and the democrats are for the working man, and as I grew up and got educated, I found that to be such a lie. First off, have you ever had a poor man give you a job? No. The answer is always no. The democrats believe in taking a successful business, and punish it and punish it, and tax the living hell out of it, and take so much they have to lay off workers to pay the tax bills, then these same democrats always, and I mean always, expand social agencies, and create more and more handouts to the lazy bums that dont want to work, and pay them out of my paycheck and others paychecks that work for a living. That is what democrats do. Republicans on the other hand, though far from perfect, at least want to and try to cut taxes, to let these business that worked hard to make themselves profitable, and they want them to have their money, and when they do this, these same business hire more people, which makes more people working and paying taxes, less people taking handouts, and more people with money to spend in the economy, and its a win, win situation. But for some God awful reason, you democrats just cant stand someone being successful, and you insist on demonizing them and taking and taking from them, and giving and giving to the failures, and it destroys economies and it destroys peoples attitudes and it destroys business. If you cannot see that, then no one can help you. But that is truly what it does. It really does.

      • FreedomFighter

        Progressive/Socialist-Communist/Liberals lie, misslead, and dupe the public to further the agenda: takeover of the United States of America and subject slavery of its people.

        Allmost all current problems with the western economy’s can be easily traced thru history, allways leading to a Progressive/Socialist leadership, they want power and control. Easy examples, FDR, Wilson, about all western euro goverments including the Brits – Socialism rises the country rots.

        Obama-Care: Evil, vicious, murderous are words used by some of my close friends in the medical community working with the eldery in nursing homes. Demonrats talk of pushing Granny of a cliff, the reality is Obama Care is making nursing homes resemble Nazi death camps, with pretty wall paper. Doctors, Nurses and staff are sworn to secrecy thru REQUIRED non-disclosure contracts, punishable by loss of work to jail time for letting the public know what is happening.

        Regulations that require NON-Cooperation between hospitol and nursing home – leaving our beloved parents and grandparents without the resources afforded by hopitols not found in nursing homes.

        Removal of availability life saving drugs – right this second killing them slowely by substituting inferior or useless substitutes.

        The doctors descrbing what new regulation. at this very moment being forced on nursing homes and hospitols as nothing less than state supervised murder.

        For love of God and our parents, REPEAL OBAMA-CARE.

        We as a society are moving thru Obama Care to killing our own mothers and fathers to save a buck, all thanks to OBAMA-CARE and the DEMONRATS.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • karolyn

          Personally, I’m glad my mother died quickly and didn’t have to live in suffering in a nursing home for years. I hear a lot of talk about wanting to keep the dieing alive, while talking about forgetting the living (cutting assistance to the poor.)

          • FreedomFighter

            Im sure the Nazi had excellent rationalization for murder of the helpless, just like you.

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

          • Bob

            While I don’t believe that we should move Heaven and earth to keep people alive once it is obvious they are going to die, I do believe that those who have been productive in their lives and who have paid into SS should have some expectation of the care that they were told they would receive for their contributions. Not one dime of the money they have contributed should go for “assistance” to those who are lazy and unproductive and who know nothing more than living off of others. These parasites should be at the very bottom of America’s list of priorities.

          • DaveH

            If it’s their own money keeping them alive, Karolyn, it is none of our business. If it’s somebody else’s money, it doesn’t matter if they are poor, or dying, or whatever excuse, it is not the Government’s money to give. If not for Big Government meddling in our economy and taking a large piece of the pie for themselves and their political cronies, our economy would be so robust that only people who just didn’t want to work would suffer.

          • DaveH

            And due to the productivity gains, people would have more choices, both for goods and services, and for the types of work they would prefer to do. For instance, people who wanted to make a business of hair-braiding, or flower arrangements, etc. would be able to do that, free of the ridiculous licensing requirements that are really instituted to protect entrenched dealers from competition. The fact, that some locations have set up licensing requirements for such businesses, shines a bright light on the reality of those requirements (stifling competition). Surely nobody would argue that any harm could come from hair-braiding, or flower arranging.

          • Jana

            DaveH,
            You are on a good roll here. Keep up the good work.

          • DaveH

            Thank you, Jana.

          • eddie47d

            Good ol’ Freedom is playing the Nazi card again. That is always a useful trick to stir things up. I know you want to live forever but the clock does run out. Do you want to see your mother or loved one suffer more than necessary? They earned their place in life and in death. Let them go without artificial means to prolong their suffering.

          • Jay

            As a staunch new ager and a staunch supporter of abortion, genocide and the risqué lifestyle, homosexuality, Karolyn believes that death, in whatever manner, speeds up and stream- lines the process of reincarnation, where by, you get to do it all over again! Off course, as it is well known regarding reincarnation, its purpose is that, one must experience all that can be experienced by a human being, and, since one lifetime does not provide sufficient time to experience all, hence, one is brought back to life yet again, until, one has experienced all there is to experience, and learn all there is to learn, and finally, reaches the level of all knowing and all seeing, in that, they transcend life, time and reality. Question: That one has to experience all, mean, that one has to experience murder, pedophilia, homosexuality, theft, lying, treason, suicide…If so Karolyn, I suggest you get busy if you are going to complete the list and aspire to godhood. And another question: How many life’s and death’s do you figure before you assimilate all the knowledge contained in the universe, both good and evil? And prey-tell, should you actually be successful in becoming like God, what then? And how many god’s will there be to share the heavens with? And you left Christianity for this? Are you not aware, oh studier of religion, that Eve was beguiled by the same said non-sense when the beguiler falsely stated: “You shall surely not die, for God knows that in the day you eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, your eyes will be opened and you shall be as God! BTW, the statement; good and evil does not mean good plus evil, but the sum-total of all human possibilities. Another words, we were not meant to experience all, hence the commandments, like warning signs or traffic signs, pointing the way but for our benefit.

          • usmadgirl

            Jay,

            Your comment to Karolyn on 6/26/11 @ 11:24 AM is absolutely brilliant!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You know karolyn, who are the poor? I mean who are they? In these United States, over 90 percent of those who call themselves poor, are there by their own choice. They refuse to work, when the government makes it profitable for them not to work, and gives them these handouts, which have broken their spirit, and generations have become dependant on government for handouts. I have heard it over and over again, “why work when I get almost as much not working”. That is a governmental problem. Now karolyn, having said that, having just been on a mission trip to Nicaragua, I saw poor. I encountered poor. Most of those here who have the audacity to call themselves poor, if they took what they have to this country, they would be considered filthy rich. Thats right. Filthy rich. Most in this country that call themselves poor, have learned to play the victim, and they play it well. I have twice in my life, once at 19, and once at 31, found myself penniless and at the mercy of friends or others to house me and feed me, while I started again, at 19 in the military, and at 31 after a divorce where the courts decided I didnt need anything and took it all. But you know what karolyn. I didnt go on unemployment. I didnt go on food stamps. I found a friend to let me stay for 1 month while I saved enough to get a place of my own. I worked 3 jobs for awhile, then cut it down to 2 jobs for 3-1/2 years to where I got stable enough to just work the one job. And God fully blesses the fruits of our labor, and He tells us that. Now, am I any smarter than people? No. I was just brought up by parents that taught me to stand on my own and not be a hindrance or a burden to others. I was taught to carry not only my own weight, but to help others also. And I do that. But I fully assure you karolyn, I dont need the government taking my money by the fists full, and giving it to whom they think are the poor. No maam. I know who the poor are, and I am a good steward of the things God has blessed me with, and I give away the first 10 percent of every paycheck I collect, just as a starting point. Then there is the sacrificial giving after that. But again karolyn, I do not need the government to determine who is and who isnt worth of MY MONEY. I think I am a good enough judge of who really is in need, and who isnt. Thank you very much.

        • FreedomFighter

          Bob,

          When doctors and nurses tell you Obama-Care killing people that would otherwise live much much longer –believe them, I certainly do.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

        • Kate8
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    • Smilee

      Davy neither you or chip are telling it like it really is but that is so typical of both of you

      • JeffH

        Smilee, why don’t you set all of us straight! I mean, you know…right? What’s typical is that you said absolutley nothing that refutes any part of their comments.

        • Wayne937

          JeffH, I will not make a reply to a person like Smilee, but I thought he was banned from this forum. Correct me if I am wrong.

          • April

            After I got to smilee, I got so angry and could hardly see straight, responded and got off here to cool off a bit. It surprised me to see how far down the thread I was, but too agrivated to read more posts. Now, after cooling down some, it is great to see you and JeffH and DaveH, Jana and other Conservatives with some muchly needed grey matter circulating on here.

          • JeffH

            April, don’t ever let them get to you and try to keep your emotions in check. Give ‘em what they don’t like, facts and logic…stops them in their tracks. They’ll quickly try to change the direction of the conversation.

          • April

            Thank you JeffH for the encouragement!!

          • smilee

            Wayne937 says:
            June 24, 2011 at 12:27 pm

            You stand corrected as you are wrong or have me mixed up with someone else. I thought this site prided itself on free speech. Occasionally you see comments deleted but I never knew they banned anyone

            April, I’m glad I made your day!!

          • April

            Smilee
            So typical of you to NOT tell it like it is.

          • Jana

            Smilee,
            Yes we have free speech on this site, even for lieberal / Socialists who are full of themselves like you.
            I seriously doubt you could make anyones ‘day’ especially April’s.

      • JeffH

        Just for starters, Obama’s Main Jobs Achievements:
        1) As President, Mr. Obama has played more golf, taken more vacations, held more political fund raisers, and held more parties in the White House than any President in U.S. history. At the same time his fellow citizens have lost their homes and remain jobless.
        - In two-and-a half years, 40% of all Black Americans are unemployed (Fox News, 23 June 2011).
        - In two-and-a half years, 18% of all Hispanic Americans are unemployed (Fox News, 23 June 2011).
        - In two-and-a half years, 80% of all college graduates have returned home because they are unemployed (Fox News, 22 June 2011).
        - In two-and-a half years, 66% of all Americans are worse off than before Obama took office as president (Fox News, 22 June 2011).
        - In two-and-a half years, 56% of all Americans lost most of their wealth since Obama took office as president (Fox News, 22 June 2011).
        - 80% of all U.S. Workers are not Qualified to Apply for Government Construction Jobs per Obama’s Executive Order 13305. Per Executive Order 13305, 80% of all Americans construction workers do not qualify for large government construction jobs since Mr. Obama’s Executive Order 13305 directs that for all major government construction contracts, the U.S. government must give all government construction jobs only to Union employees (Congressional Records).
        - Under Obama, Jobs only for Union Employees. Executive Order 13305 gives all major construction jobs to “Union Members” and increases the cost to taxpayers by 20%; 80% of NON-UNION employees ARE NOT QUALIFIED for these government construction jobs (Fox News, 22 June 2011).
        - Under Obama, Union Employees a Minority but have the Highest Employment Rate. Union Employees are not the majority of American employees in U.S. even though they are the only group of U.S. employees that have work (i.e., employed) in America under Mr. Obama (U.S. Labor, May 2011).

        • karolyn

          You can’t blame everything on one man! You do the best you can with the hand you are dealt!

          • wandamurline

            So not true.

          • Bob

            An utterly meaningless statement. Maobama is actively trying to destroy the USA and he must be stopped. We cannot work with him, we must work against him and his evil minions.

          • Jack

            well said karolyn

          • Thor

            Why not, K? He did.

          • Caroline

            karolyn, if you can’t blame just one man you can’t blame Bush either! I assume that is what you are inferring here when you say “you do the best you can with the hand you are dealt.” Basically, as I see it, Obama has renegged on every campaign promise he has made and put us even more in debt and given us higher unemployment than we had before he took office. And his solution? Tax those of us who are still working even more to pay for those who do not want to work.

          • DaveH

            No, Karolyn is right, it isn’t all Obama’s fault. Without his gang of thieves, he would be helpless.

          • Jana

            I am going to start calling him NO SHOW OBAMA. He will go to fund raisers, he will go to play golf, he will go to the countries of our enemeies, but not to important stuff like negotiations over the budget of our country. He keeps disappearing from his RESPONSIBILITIES, just like he did when he was a Sentator.

          • Annie

            Karolyn: obama has NO idea what to do with anything much less what to do with the supposed “hand he was dealt”. By the way, HE was dealt a far better hand than George Bush was handed when he took office and before you restate a total lie….NO, there was NO surplus when President Bush took office. BUT there was a complete and total dismantling and tearing apart of our military prior to Pres. Bush’s oath of office and Pres. Bush had to “defend America from enemies foreign and domestic” with a military that was all but destroyed by ashes. Remember, Billy (boy) Clinton – to quote him “….loathed the military”.
            So tell us all out here about the “hand obama was dealt” and now tell us all out here just WHAT obama has done economically to “put America back to work” or at least on a track to making America economically feasible. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH Karoly with the lies and cheating and fraud.

          • karolyn

            Caroline – No, I don’t blame Bush either. It is a steady piling up for many years, resulting in where we are today. It seems everybody expects miracles. I believe he went into office, just like many others, believing he could make a difference. Unfortunately, DC doesn’t change, but DC changes people.

          • http://personalliberty.com frank

            Thank you Karolyn for finally admitting that this joke of a POTUS is a total ineffectual american hater. The problem is that we can not work or deal with him because he is doing what his puppet masters put him here for to DESTROY OUR COUNTRY!.That he is very capable of i assure you of that. He must be stopped!.

          • April

            karolyn, Who says JeffH is blaming one man? He is putting out facts (and very well I might add) that have occured under this evil pretender’s administration.

          • DaveH

            Karolyn,
            He believed he could make a difference, all right, but not like you think he meant. I could spot that man as a smooth-talking phony from miles away. Economic Ignorance is one thing. But Obama is not economically ignorant. He is doing what he does on purpose. Wake up. Leaders like their power and perks, and they know that the bigger they build Government, and the more votes they buy, the more power and perks they will have. Meanwhile they tell gullible people sweet-sounding lies to get their votes.
            Do you really think, Karolyn, that any Dictator tells his subjects that he could care less about them and just wants their servitude?

          • Bob Marshall

            You are 100% correct. Still,the thing that happen on Obamas’ watch he has to accept the responsibility. Michelle said eariler this week her husband needs four more years in the Whitehouse to finish what he has started for the good of America.Do you want to see that happen?I don’t think so. many of these excutive orders passed Congress had no idea until it was too late. I am glad to see posters going on line and seeing for themselves what these orders mean for America.Our weapons are knowledge and our vote. Knowledge through the internet and discussing ideas on these post. Freely and honestly.To expect everyone to agree on every topic would be foolish but open discussion is good for America. Vugalaity and name calling isn’t the answer.

          • Vagabond

            spoken just like a democrat karolyn. I would have said good democrat but there is no such animal,

          • Jay

            Or the worst, with the hand you are dealt!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            He was dealt a hand at 4.5 percent unemployment. He now has risen it to over 10, even though the liberal press reports it lower, we all know its about 12 to 15 percent. He hasnt played his hand well at all. And while people like you, even 2-1/2 years later continue to blame Bush for your parties extreme failure to to anything productive at all, we all know Bush took over a huge recession from Clinton, and his party turned in around within 2 years, and they didnt have to sit there and blame the other administration constantly. No, they rolled up their sleeves and went to work as we elected them to do. So tell me Karolyn, what is obama and the democrats excuse? You cant blame Bush for their own 2-1/2 years of doing nothing but making things worse. At sometime, you have to hold those in charge accountable. When will that be for you karolyn? When will you acknowledge that these guys are incompetant and dont know what they are doing? How many years can you blame someone else for your failures? Why is it that nobody is responsible for their own actions anymore? Its always someone elses fault. It just amazes me.

          • ron

            You are not far off Karolyn when you spread the blame. Even though there have been no republican plans that answer the problem heres something that may intrest you. First the unemployment rate has not been 4.5 or lower since 2001. That was a gift Clinton lefty to Bush. In Dec. 2008 after the Nov election the nation lost about 524,000 jobs (under Bush)that number would by Jan. of 09 be roughly 2million jobs Jan 2009 unemployment hit a 16 year high at 7.2% President Obama was sworn in Jan. 20, 2009. This was the Bush / republican present to the newly elected president aftetr he (Bush)was left a very low unemployment rate and a surplus. Karolyn you must beware of numbers supplied by Fixed/Fox News. You can go to the source.

            It’s like M. Bachmann saying that the CBO says that the health care package the president giot passed would kill 800,000 jobs or something like that. Never saying that the CBO said that would mostly happen through some choosing to leave the job market among other reasons. The CBO did not classify the health Care package as a job killer and that is a fact. It is also a fact that anyone of us can come up with figures that match the point we are trying to make. Only a few will listen, read and agree to as fact something that does not fit our agenda. The CBO is fine with both parties when they say what one or both want to hear and though they did not say what Bachmann, Ryan and some others wanted to hear they simply left out key points and continued to march or LIE.

        • Polski

          There’s no president that played more golf than Eisenhower. Ford was right behind him. If only Dubya and Cheney had played golf instead.

          It would be nice to have non-biased media, but between republicans and democrats, it’s just not happening. Republicans are horrible and Democrats are terrible. Or is it Republicans are terrible and Democrats are horrible?

          • DaveH

            Under Eisenhower, we had Government that was only half the size of Obama’s Government. I would let Obama play all the golf he wants if he would cut Government back to the size it was under Eisenhower.

          • Patriot

            That was true until Obama! We are now in 3 wars, we are in the worst economic crisis in my lifetime, and this administration has not come up with a budget or any legislation to help get us out of this decline. Until yesterday, now guess what, they want to spend more money, raise taxes and the debt ceiling. What they want is massive government so that we will no longer have our God given Liberties or Freedom. If you have voted Democrat your entire life because that is what your parents or unions have told you, this is not the party it once was. People need to start thinking for themselves, look at the landscape around you, stop fighting or bickering and look at the facts. If we do not change course now, we will those everything! We are on the brink, the federal Government works for the States, not the other way around. We are at the most important point in our history since the signing of the Declaration of Independence. I am willingly to die for my Freedom; I would sign the document today rather then live my life in tyranny! We the People must raise up and let our voices be heard do not cower!

          • Annie

            Polski
            There is NO conservative media in print media. NYTimes; LATimes; Washington Post; Chicago Tribune; etc are ALL ‘flaming liberal rags’. Now let’s talk about NBC; CBS; ABC; MSNBC; etc. What other kind of liberalism/socialism ‘brainwashing’ do the American people need with those media outlets? Do you and anyone out there doubt that at all?
            If Pres. Eisenhower would have played less golf, believe me, we would still have had an economically solvent America. obama plays golf constantly and constantly and constantly all the while putting out an image of being able to be the leader of America…….yet, obama is the MOST inept president our beloved United State of America has ever ever elected. He is ‘taking all Americans and America to the cleaners’ and there are STILL voters out there that will vote for him again. That is nothing more than “BRAIN DEAD”

          • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

            And you make the common assumption that the 3rd parties are to be totally ignored no matter what. You imply only the DemoPublicans are worthy of consideration!

            Making sure the DemoPublicans get all the good news and name recognition is one of the great political maneuvers and heavily-promoted fallacies that is bringing us down flat on our faces with both a Democrat and a Republican boot side by side on our necks.

          • Vagabond

            polski democrats are terribly horrible,

          • smilee

            DaveH says:
            June 24, 2011 at 8:35 am

            Makes sense the population was less than half what it is now, proportionately speaking then according to you the government has shrunk since then.

          • usmadgirl

            Patriot,

            Everything you said is so accurate. I’m from a family of Republicans (more accurately put would be “conservative”), married a Republican from a family of Republicans & since my husband died 9 years ago, I’ve been lucky enough to have another Republican for 8 years. The Democrats I knew were like “Zell Miller” Democrats, but his type no longer exists! You’re right! The Dumbocrap party has managed to get rid of them & replaced them with their compatible Socialist, Communist, or Marxist, America-hating, Constitution-ignoring, Capitalism-destroying thugs (despite getting very wealthy by the very Capitalism they pretend to despise)!

            You said the Federal Government works for the States, but you didn’t mention that they’re BOTH supposed to work for us! Some people on this site don’t give the new Republican House the credit they’re due. They’re beating a dead horse without a majority in the Senate (thanks to all the ignorant fools in the states that were going down the toilet before voting for the same idiots expecting different results) & an administration that thinks they’re immaterial.

            Our so called “leaders” are doing exactly what they want…by-passing Congressional approval. Every problem the Republicans try to resolve is attacked by, not only these thugs, but also the “thrill up their leg” “MessiahStreamMedia”. This administration & a lot of the American people want Republicans to “compromise” on their values just to appease the Dumbocraps. You DON’T COMPROMISE on your VALUES just to make people happy & to get re-elected. That’s why the country is in the disgusting shape it’s in now…compromising moral & ethical principles…giving them a little power here & a little there until we’ve almost lost all our freedom! If they or we do that, we’re no different than the progressive idiots who are so hell bent on transforming us into a poverty-stricken, “give-our-hard-earned-money-to-worthless-lazy-dead-beats” third world country!

            Glenn Beck told some members of Congress to watch out because they were becoming irrelevant under the current unlawful administration. That is exactly what has happened! O’Dumbo & his partners in crime think our Constitution is flawed so they have no problem violating or ignoring it & see no point in taking matters before Congress & just like Congress, we have become irrelevant. We the people & the Republican House are just a nuisance & a thorn in the sides of these New World Order, Social “Justice” freaks!

            I’m getting too old for this crap! I’ve worked too many hours for too many years just to have the bare necessities to let some DICTATOR tell me that I have to share my stuff with dead beats that don’t want to work, or with countries that have let THEIR DICTATORS take all their stuff & have no courage to fight for their freedom.

          • April

            GREAT POINTS!! to DaveH, Patriot, Annie, Lewis Munn, and usmadgirl.

          • DaveH

            Smilee,
            You ignoramus, I’m talking about the size of Government related to GDP, which population size has no bearing on.

          • DaveH

            Of course if we wanted to talk about the raw figures as well, we can see that the nominal spending (before inflation adjustment) in 1950 is dwarfed by 2010 spending:
            http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_20th_century_chart.html

          • DaveH

            I might add that the fact that Smilee understands the concept of proportionality, leads me to believe that he is purposely trying to mislead people through equivocation. For sure, only Smilee knows if I’m right or not.

          • smilee

            DaveH says:
            June 25, 2011 at 10:08 am

            DaveH says:
            June 24, 2011 at 8:35 am

            Under Eisenhower, we had Government that was only half the size of Obama’s Government. I would let Obama play all the golf he wants if he would cut Government back to the size it was under Eisenhower.

            RESPONSE: Where in this post did you mention GDP, that’s not government size but the size of the economy. You where the one whom said Eisenhower’s era Government was half the size in that era not me and you know the population was less than half what it is now. When you get caught in your silly spin you always goes off on a tangent and refuse to address what I really said. You’re a sad case davie.

          • DaveH

            Smilee,
            Sorry, I just expected you to be smarter than you are.
            It’s like if I said Government now spends twice as much as X years ago. But if prices have inflated 100% in X years, it would be meaningless. I wouldn’t do that because it would be deceptive. Unlike you, Smilee, I’m not deceptive.
            Next time I will try harder to be explicit, so that people like you can understand it.

          • DaveH

            And Smilee, that’s why I posted the link, so intelligent people could judge for themselves, free of my spin, and free of your spin.

          • Jana

            usmadgirl,
            LOL generally I don’t read something that long but I started reading it and it was sooooo goood I couldn’t stop. (extra o’s there for emphasis).

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            The point is Smilee, the democrats insist on growing government everytime they get in office. Obama’s jobs he has created, are almost all government jobs, whose sole purpose is to take my hard earned money and decide who they think is worth to give it to. Social programs suck this country dry, and this is from a person who is all for helping the poor. And I mean the poor, not the 18 to 25 year old sitting on some front porch everyday, smoking cigarettes and pot, and drinking 40oz beers in a brown bag. You want reality? Those people are not poor. They will tell you they are, and they will live in impoverished areas of unkept falling down houses, and appear to be poor. Yet they have money for cigarettes, dope and alcohol. Ive seen poor Smilee. Ive been to Nicaragua. Ive been to Africa. Ive been to Gulfport Louisiana where Katrina took everything from people. Those folks are poor. And the government didnt give them no 5000.00 gift cards like they did in New Orleans, just to watch them all run away and leave with the cash. No, these so called poor people, are over 90 percent lazy arse people who continue year after year to blame someone else for their problems, when they are their own worst enemy, and are alone the reason that they are where they are at. Kind of reminds me of the Obama administration now that I think about it. The comparison’s are remarkable.

        • C130 Gunship

          Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and the mulatto Mussolini……the pompous douchenozzel trifecta. You’ve really got to hand it to them: not even a lobotomised amoeba could beat them in a competition for dumbest creatures on the planet, these folks are absolute champs.

          • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

            Then why do we, the wee people, keep putting them in office? Do they all make the trains run on time at all costs so we ignore the rest of what they do? And how much it costs in the long run?

            Benito is gone. Will it take a full-blown World War to get Reid and Pelosi out too?

          • Barbie

            Lewis Munn, if I remember correctly it is the electoral college that keeps putting these imps in office. Our vote means absolutely nothing. Back when Mr. “Global Warming” Gore ran, he actually won the popular vote, but the electoral college chose bushboy instead. Then the lawsuits were filed and a judge “appointed” bush to office. Please correct me if I’m wrong here.

          • bosslady

            GUNSHIP, THAT’S WHERE YOU ARE WRONG. THEY ARE NOT DUMB. I READ AN ARTICLE WHERE obama’s ROOMMATE TOLD THE TRUTH ABOUT him. he STUDIED TWO MARXIST’S THEORIES ABOUT HOW TO BRING A COUNTRY DOWN BY BREAKING THE BACK OF THE ECONOMY. AND THAT IS JUST WHAT he HAS DONE, WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT. they WANT A ONE-WORLD GOVERNMENT. IT ALL MAKES SENSE IF YOU READ REVELATIONS IN THE BIBLE.

          • April

            See, We the People, still believe in the goodness of mankind, it is hard to change that as We the People keep proving time and time again; so those that want a piece of us bank on our good will, and we take the bate because when we were young we were too busy for and uninterested in history and politics and remembering our Biblical principals; yet we were told it was our duty to vote when we came of age but all these principals on how to make wise decisions on who to pick were taken out of the school system. A lot of our parents tried to teach us and be good examples, but when we are young we think we know it all.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            To Lewis, concerning getting rid of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. Nevada is so liberal, they will keep old dirty Harry. I mean your talking about a state that is in the top 5 in the nation every year in murder, rape, bankruptcy, domestic abuse, alcohol arrests, and a few other not so good things. Dont expect them to do right in their political voting either. Pelosi is from California. A place so liberal, that they are billions in debt because of social programs and illegal immigration, and while these immigrants have now taken over the southern part of the state and working up, and they are taking the political jobs now and legislating what they want to bring more of them in, and drive the Americans out, and these liberals continue to give them the tools to kick them out, dont expect those people to be very educated with their voting either. The will keep their puppet Pelosi around, as she is one of them that makes it easier to kick her kind out when the time comes.

          • ron

            Also Gunship not only did he read the books his room mate mentioned . his mother and father planed all of this from the first day they laided down togather. it was a way for them to get back at the man for the treatment of president Obamas american indian uncle (on his fathers side)by George Custer. We must not let this continue. Call the police, we cahave him detained along with his draft dodging cousin Dick (former vice president )Cheney. Yours is good too Jay. Ford foundation ect. All this information and no one has a clue except the people on this page. What a country.

        • Wayne937

          JeffH, you layed it out very well. I will not respond to Karolyn’s post either, but she said you can’t blame this on one man. Look at the Czars he hired by going behind Congress’ back. Look at admitted Communist, Van Jones, that Obama hired. For the first 2 years the Communist Democrats gave Obama everything he wanted. Since this is the case, why can’t we blamd Obama on all these shenanigans. All the things he done was his own ideas, the Communist Democrats just let him have his way as they did not have a back bone to stick up for the majority of the American People. I certainly hope the American People holds Obama and his Communist Democrats liable for the mess we are in. I’ll tell you emphatically, I certainly will. If people don’t it will be because that they approve of Muslim Commnist liars, or they are still in the dark because they have not educated themselves.

          • April

            He surrounds himself with communists and marxist socialists and progressives that want to turn this Nation into a third world country. I read somewhere that O is a devout Muslim and a member of the Muslim Brotherhood as well as a Nazi. We need true Conservatives to fill the seats and get this guy and his betraying cronies imprisoned. There is plenty of proof; but there is mutiny in high places against the Constitution and We the People.

          • karolyn

            April says: “I read somewhere that O is a devout Muslim and a member of the Muslim Brotherhood as well as a Nazi. ”

            Famous last words: “I read somewhere.” Like that means something?

          • JeffH

            karolyn, at least April was honest enough to say she “heard it somewhere” rather than blatantly state it as fact. You should heed her words.

          • Kate8
          • usmadgirl

            Wayne937,

            You’re so right about people not educating themselves. I’ve tried to gradually “educate” some of our neighbors & friends (so I don’t overwhelm them), but they’re politically dumber than a box of air (one is a conservative & a teacher)! They act like things haven’t changed one iota & that everything is all hunky dorey! I’ve eliminated politics from my conversation because I don’t want them to avoid me. They still watch the main stream media; so they have no source to truly know what’s going on in the country or the world except for the propaganda they watch. I’ve given up except for sending them “educational” e-mails occasionally!

          • April

            Thankyou Kate8 for the site. I checked it out and wrote that book down.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Van Jones, Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko, Rev. Wright. I mean how many foul people does this guy need to be publicly associated with, before they start reading the writing on the wall? How blind can people be? And how biased can the media be, to turn a blind eye to all this? Amazing isnt it.

        • JeffH

          Vagabond, no offense meant but you keep railing on the “Democrats”.
          Yes, the DNC is a far left idealogical party but in the bigger picture of politics, they’re not much different than the Republican party. To say you hate “hate” Democrats is rediculous. If you think the GOP is going to save our country, you’re wrong also. Get out of the two party, Democrat vs Republican mindset.

          • Wayne937

            April, just watch this video and you will hear Obama admitting he is a Muslim: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY Of course I knew this even before he was even elected. Who are the ones we have been fighting over in Iraq & Afghanistan. It is the Muslim Extremist, Islam Terrorist.

          • April

            Thankyou Wayne937! Watched the video. Mr. O shows his true colors for sure. He is devoted to Islam and the Muslim faith. And he dishonors America in too many ways for it to be coinsidence. Bowing to the Saudi Arabia king turns my stomach.

        • ron

          Since when did fox become a reliable news source and not a mouthpiece for the CON – servative cause just as MSNBC is for the other side? That 4.5 unemployment rate that you claim Obama inherited was a Clinton gift to Bush in 2001. Go to US labor department and check unemployment rate for the past ten years. I will listen to all sides but I will not depend on MSNBC or Fox for straight facts. Everyone should know by now that both tilt the facts towards one party or the other.

      • TIME

        Big S,
        Really do tell us all, we wait with baited breath for your answer that should enlighten us all as to whats really going on.

        Thanks

      • wandamurline

        Well, the debt ceiling of over 14 TRILLION dollars was surpassed in May…here it is almost July, what happened? Nothing. The bailouts should never have been done…a private business should be able to stand on its own and if it doesn’t, some other business will buy them out. There is NO business that is too big to fail…the bailouts were repayment for the 2008 elections and the unions. The president did not have the authority to declare war on Libya as it was not a direct threat to the US without congressional approval. Obama believes that he is above the law and it is time that congress reminded him that the UN and Arab League do not run this country, that we have a Constitution that needs to be adhered to.

        • karolyn

          GM has paid back much of its debt and is rehiring and hiring 4000 and also putting money into some of its facilities. More than half of the bailout money has been repaid.
          http://money.cnn.com/news/storysupplement/economy/bailouttracker/

          • Bob

            To save overpaid union thug jobs while decent people who work hard go without. Not one cent of taxpayer money should go to helping union parasites.

          • Macawma

            Repaid to who, karolyn? We the taxpayers paid for those bailouts. Did you get any money back?

          • J.M.R.

            the last i read gm was yes they paid it back with more of our money thanks to the head dick-tater, so i would say they still owe us money [tax payers]

          • DaveH

            GM paid that money back with a loan from an investor. They are still on the hook for most of the debt they incurred on the Fascist Government takeover. Only time will tell if the taxpayers are made good. I doubt it.
            For a more reasoned treatment of the bailout:
            http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/grasping-the-full-costs-of-the-auto-bailout/

          • Dagney

            Big picture here….I don’t know about you, but I absolutely CRING in rage when I see those slick, stylish GM or Chrysler commercials on my television. What right does the government have to flood my TV with commercials bought on taxpayer dollars? In what world does a government steal an American private company and compete with other companies? (oh, yeah, a COMMUNIST WORLD). Do they have a limit to how much they can pay for advertising? No. Turn on the printing presses, Tax-Cheat Timmy! It is absolutely IMMORAL and, if you don’t see that, you are an imbecile.

          • Jana

            The head of GM thinks they should raise the price of gas 50 cents to a dollar per gallon. Wow such a smart man (NOT).
            He also can’t differentiate the bailout money from the companies money as it all went into one pot so to speak. This pathetic man doesn’t realize his accountant could tell him. He sure doesn’t make himself sound very smart which is normal for most Socialists.

          • Annie

            Karolyn
            GM paid ONLY some of the debt they owed the American taxpayers with MORE government hand outs. NO Karolyn….they did NOT make anything in profits so the ONLY way they made ANY payment to the bailout was by using more dollars given to them by obama and his gang.
            Do you not know how they use their illegal and conning bookkeeping to keep ignorant people such as yourself ‘shouting their praises’.
            Come on Karolyn..you cannot possibly believe the propaganda and lies put out by this administration?

          • http://personalliberty.com frank

            oh yea what about the stockholders who lost their money to the unions.By the way Karolyn your posts are getting smaller all the time .I guess you are finding it much harder to defend the destroyer in chief.

          • JeffH

            karolyn, do a simple search on the GM payback and find out where the actual payback money came from…TARP!

            GM repays federal loan with government money. In an ad that has been blanketing the airwaves since last week, General Motors Chairman and chief executive Ed Whitacre boasts that “we have repaid our government loan, in full, with interest, five years ahead of the original schedule.”

            Neither the ad nor the press release mentioned that GM repaid its government loan with other government money, or that U.S. taxpayers could lose money on the roughly $50 billion they still have invested in General Motors.

            In a letter to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner last week, Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, said the repayment “appears to be nothing more than an elaborate TARP money shuffle.”

            GM had already repaid $2 billion in loans. Last week, it announced it had repaid the remaining $4.7 billion.

            The automaker, however, didn’t repay any of the loans from its earnings. Repayments came from “other TARP funds currently held in an escrow account,” according to a report by the special inspector general overseeing TARP funds.
            http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-04-27/business/20870864_1_gm-loans-general-motors-chairman

          • bosslady

            KAROLYN, DID YOU READ SOMEWHERE ABOUT GMC PAYING BACK THE MONEY?

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            karolyn,
            Pay no attention to Bob.We know what he is.
            The worst cry babies I have ever work with, were scabs. As a union rep I had put in a order for toilet paper and one of the owners told me I didn’t need bathroom tissue,what he said was so shocking,I couldn’t believe or fathom that remark. What he said;”You don’t need toilet paper you got Jim Powel.”Jim Powel was one of their most loyal sucks.He was always complaining and filing grievances most of them didn’t amount to anything .These companies don’t give a rat’s ass about these company sucks. Why not? They have little or no respect for them.Who does? I never saw a scab yet that wasn’t spineless.I think they would sell out their own family, for a few brownie points.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            That is a lie by the liberal media karolyn. They continue to lose money, and the corporates are seeking permission to start writing each other million dollar bonusus, and the unions are getting restless and getting ready to seek pay raises. Business as usual. Give them a few years, and they will be right back to where they were, needing the government to give them some more of our money again. They didnt pay back the loans. The took money from the right pocket and put it in the left pocket. Thats all they did. Where did they get the billions from karolyn? They havent been selling cars, and supposedly that is where auto makers get their money, well, other than the government giving it to them. Ford is doing ok, but they didnt take any money. GM and Chrysler did, and from what Ive seen from our business buying new Chevy Vans and trucks, and a few friends that bought new GM cars, the quality seems to still be lacking, as its problem after problem and recalls galore. And at the GM plant here, they had their biggest layoff ever early last year, and even shut down production for awhile, and this is a state of the art, not even 10 year old plant. So before they can really show hiring 4000, shouldnt they probably call back the 100,000 nationwide that were laid off. Of are they prostituting the numbers in the liberal media again, where 4000 are getting called back to work, and they are telling us GM is hiring 4000 people. Yeah, thats pretty much how it works.

        • Wayne937

          I know what the next Reublican President should do, and hopefully a Republican Congress, charge a higher tax on all registered Dmocrats as they are responsible for running up our debt 4 trillions dollars in the last 2 1/2 years. Maybe this would convince them to call their representative and complain when their type starts spending wildly. To me it is no “Damn the Torpedoes” anymore, it’s “Damn the Demcrats” for ruining our econony.

          • Vagabond

            AMEN Wayne,

          • Wayne937

            I didn’t have any reply above about GM, and the tax payers money loaned to GM. GM has not paid us back what the government gave them. I heard staight talk that GM still owes the tax payers around, I believe it was $8,000,000,000. I also heard we will be very lucky if we ever get it back too.

          • git it right

            Wayne, hate to inform you but the economy crashed due to Wall Street and it’s dirty little credit defaults, coupled with bad mortgages approved by banks who

          • DaveH

            The economy crashed for several reasons, most related to Government.
            The Federal Reserve was creating excess money, the Government was encouraging banks to lend to unqualified borrowers, and certain Liberal organizations were putting coercive pressure on banks to lend to unqualified borrowers.

        • C130 Gunship

          And CONgress will raise the Debt Elevator (always goes up, never down) this time around as well. All you are seeing in DC (District of Criminals) is a side show for the 2012 elections. The bankers own the politicians, and the FSA (Free $hit Army) will always vote for any politician who promises to take from the productive class to give to the welfare class. The two party system is useless.

          Two party nation, what’s your retardation?
          You won’t vote to stop the looting operation.
          You see, Wall Street and DC are a grift,
          but they don’t want the status quo to shift,
          so some of the tax and borrow spending is given as a “gift”
          to give you a lift.
          Who cares if it’s an intergenerational standard of living shift?
          If you think you got some of the loot,
          you won’t give those assclowns in DC the boot,
          or worse yet start to shoot,
          that’s why no one gives a hoot,
          until the bond market runs out of luck,
          then we’re all phucqued,
          but you don’t give a $hit,
          because you’re addicted to the wealth transfer tit…

          • Vagabond

            very good C130. by the way that was a mighty fine Aircraft.

        • karolyn

          About a month ago, it was big news, as well as the part about adding so many jobs and rehiring those who had been laid off.

          • Kate8

            Karolyn – Just keep on listening to that junk news.

          • Jana

            karolyn,
            But it wasn’t the truth.

          • JC

            It was a shifting around of more TARP money.
            It’s all a shell game.

      • Francis

        Sometimes you wonder why honesty, conservatism and Christianity are so apart than we care to admit. It’s so absurd what distortions, lies and half-truths these people can create.

        We all know how we got here. We know that if you destroy something, it’s hard to build, even if at all.

        That unnecessary war in Iraq got America broke.

        Remember who started the lies about “Death Panels”? And I could go on.

        The chicken is barely coming home to roost.

        And all this machinations about the scare of the Armageddon, it was the Republicans who started it.

        And you don’t need to be an economist to know that when you cut taxes for so many years without any new revenue, borrow money from communist China to start a war, you cannot have a sound economy – no you can’t.

        • Dagney

          Where have you been? The so-called “lies” of Sarah Palin on DEATH PANELS has been proven true. Do a little research on the acronym “IPAB”. Sheesh.

          • DaveH

            They weren’t lies, Dagney. It was a Euphemism. It was never meant to be taken literally. She was ignorant of the fact that Liberals could not be expected to understand that.
            But there will literally be panels of bureaucrats who will be making life or death decisions when the inevitable medical shortages come. I say inevitable because what else can happen to a system, which is described as broken, when Government throws more highly paid busybodies with secure jobs (as Government jobs usually are) into the total costs of the system? How could that NOT cost the overall economy more money?
            http://blog.mises.org/10642/yes-virginia-there-will-be-death-panels/

        • DaveH

          It all started when Alexander Hamilton’s political descendants (over a hundred and fifty years ago) subverted the original intent of the Constitution, so that they could turn the US government into a style of Governance (Mercantilism) that was very similar to that which we fought a revolution to escape.
          To get an understanding of how we got where we are now, get a copy of this book “Hamilton’s Curse” by Thomas DiLorenzo. I borrowed mine from the Library.
          How do we turn it back? It isn’t going to be easy. But we can’t rely on the Democrats or the Republicans to get us there. We all need to get much more educated on the reality of leaders and their politics, before we can have any chance at reversal.

          • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

            Dave,

            How do you plan to get educated people when any library books that contradict government propaganda keep getting checked out under false names and never come back?

            99% of our public and private educational institutions hew the Government Line, and teach it as Revealed Truth.

          • DaveH

            Perhaps that is true in some Libraries, Lewis. I can’t answer that, but mine had a copy (and I will return it, lol).
            I would suggest if they can’t borrow it from the Library, they should just buy a copy. It’s pretty cheap ($10 at Amazon.com).

          • karolyn

            Lewis – That is nuts! I live in a small town, and our county library can get any book we want within the state!

          • DaveH

            Here’s one for the green-eyed Liberals who think Big Government is saving them from those dastardly Rich People:
            “The Big Ripoff: How Big Business and Big Government Steal Your Money” by Timothy P. Carney.

          • JC

            Confessions of an Economic Hit Man
            Hamilton’s Curse
            A Century of War
            Freedom Under Siege

            All are eye openers.

        • Jana

          Hey Francis,
          Just because they haven’t raised your taxes you can still pay more if you want. Go ahead. All of you lieberals should be paying what you call your fair share and be an example to the rest of us. No one is stopping you and NO SHOW OBAMA would appreciate it.

        • Ellen

          When Palin exposed the death panels, they were removed from Obamacare. The Dems then called her a liar and ridiculed her and had the mainstream media report it ad nauseum. After Obamacare was passed, the panels were added back in. Of course, the mainstream media didn’t report this. This administration is a bunch of inept, corrupt liars and cheats. Every time Obama smiles that big, fake smile and tells lies I am angered by the knowledge that so many well-meaning people believe him.

        • Wayne937

          Frances, even though you sound like an Obama Supporter, I’ll respond to you as I really think you are serious, but are no aware of all the facts yet. I believe after you get to know all the facts leading up to the war in Iraq and Afghanistan you will agree that after 911 our country was in danger from the wacko’s from those area, at least from Afghanistan. Even tdhe Democrats signed off on the war with Iraq so the Democrats were also convincd Saddm Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. In fact we know he did as he used mustard gas on the kirds and mustard gas is included in the weapons of mass destruction. If you want to continue paying $4.00 to $5.00 for your gasoline, or more, if Obama gets elected again, pay more for you groceries, pay more for your energy bills then you have to vote for Muslim Communist President Obama. He is the one who wants to spread our wealth around to all those who are too lazy to work. I hope your not in the latter class of people.

          • Jana

            Wayne937,
            Not just spread the wealth around to those too lazy to work, but NO SHOW UP TO WORK OBAMA wants to share our wealth with the world.

      • JUKEBOX

        Smilee, Did you happen to notice in the video that the man pushing the wheelchair looked an awful lot like Obama from the back.

        • Jana

          JUKEBOX,
          Actually NO SHOW OBAMA is pushing the entire country over a cliff.

        • Wayne937

          Your right JUKEBOX, I’ll bet that sucker was Obama. Great post.

        • April

          Great point!

      • April

        Then smilee, YOU NEED TO WATCH THIS VIDEO! You desperately need a reality check. But first of all you need to quit being a know it all and LISTEN UP PLEASE!! IT REALLY IS PAST TIME TO WAKE UP BECAUSE THERE IS A POLITICAL FIRE AND WE NEED EVERYONES HELP TO PUT IT OUT!
        Bone Chilling video

        You need to watch this and then forward to everyone you know. A video that will make you think seriously!

        This is bone chilling and 52% of the voters did this to us by electing Obama. If you can’t play this on your computer (picture and sound) then send it to someone who can play it and go watch it with them!

        http://www.morningstartv.com/oak-initiative/marxism-america

        • Jana

          wow April,
          I went to that site. What an eye opener.
          karolyn? Are you out there? You need to hear this too.

          • April

            Thank you Jana!

          • karolyn

            Interesting.

        • JeffH

          April, I’ve seen the video before and it’s great that you have posted it here. I identified O’man as a Marxist as soon as I started studying him, his background, his relatinships and his ideaology when others refused to go there. I was ridiculed by some…surprise…yet I stand by my evaluation of him…that is why I refer to Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” so often. Seems there are a lot more people everywhere that have him pegged as a Marxist also.

          Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY

          • April

            I’ve gotta get that book. For GOD and Country!! :D

          • JeffH

            April, here is another book I’ll suggest, although I haven’t read it yet I’m looking forward to reading it. Both can be found on Amazon.com

            The Manchurian President: Barack Obama’s Ties to Communists, Socialists and Other Anti-American Extremists” by Aaron Klein with Branda J. Elliot: The book uncovers a far-leftist, anti-American nexus that has been instrumental in not only helping build Obama’s political career but in securing his presidency. Klein details with shocking precision how this nexus continues to influence Obama and the White House and is involved in drafting policy aimed at reshaping our country.

            Crimes Against Liberty: An Indictment of President Barack Obama by David Limbaugh: Limbaugh charges that this presidency is ambitiously unraveling the Constitution, actively rooting out American traditions and values, and most of all, committing crimes against American liberty. In Limbaugh’s brilliant new book, he documents:

            Obama’s offenses against the rule of law (including the administration’s blatant pursuit of race-based justice) Violations of the public trust (including Obama’s Chicago-style bully boy tactics to protect and advance the administration’s cronies) Abuses against the private sector (including how the Obama administration is removing any limits to federal power) Crimes against good governance (including Obama’s mania for secrecy after getting elected on promises of transparency) Betrayals of the national interest (including the administration’s gagging of honest discussion of the threat of radical Islam) And much, much more

          • April

            Thankyou JeffH! I wrote both those books down. I know I can get them at Amazon.com but I am going to the bookstore today anyway and I will see if I can get these 3 books; the two you have shared here and the one that was on the site Kate8 shared. :D

          • git it right

            JeffH, I have been reading posts here for a couple of nites, and would like you to explain to me, why Obama would want to destory this country? What purpose would that serve? Certainly you can’t think that the billionaires would continue to allow him to be the leader of this country do you?? So, he wants to crush this country, so that he and his children have to move to another country? No wonder people think the right is looney tunes, I repeat what purpose would it serve him to destroy this country? If you think the Koch brothers would let him be the monarch of this country, you are seriously off the deep end. Turn off that Fox news, it is frying your brain.

          • DaveH

            Get it Right,
            Only Obama knows if he is “purposely” trying to crash the economy. But his actions are certainly leading in that direction.
            What purpose would that serve? It would serve the purpose of allowing him to declare an emergency thus garnering more power for himself and his cronies — the same results served up by any dictator who doesn’t make the obvious choices to better his economy. Take Cuba for instance. They had a thriving economy until the people succumbed to Castro’s siren song of equality. Afterwards their economy was so bad that people would crowd into small dangerously unsafe boats to seek freedom (relatively speaking) in the US. Did Castro see the very obvious mistake of his policies? Of course he must have, how could he not have? But he was the leader. That’s all that matters to most leaders. They don’t care about the ordinary citizens as long as they have their power and perks.
            It seems odd to me that most Liberals are so rabidly against the Rich for their perceived power over us, but then turn a blind eye to the Government Leaders who have even more power over us.

            It appears to me that it is your brain, Git, that has been fried.

          • JeffH

            git it right or whomever you’ve been befor, do your own homework if you really want to educate yourself. The days of reasoning with people like yourself are long over. You’ve made your bed, now sleep in it.

            FOX news? Sorry pal, I prefer to make my opinions and gather my information from all sources raher than rely on any one source, especially the boob tube.

          • usmadgirl

            Git it right,

            No, we’re NOT off the deep end, nor are our brains fried from Fox News! Fox is not our only source of wisdom!!! Most of what we know comes from watching, listening & simple common sense (which a lot of educated people seem to lose)!

            Dave H has presented you with a great example of why O’Dumbo would want to destroy this country, but I have a simpler example I’ve used before.

            By your statement, it’s apparent that you’re ignorant of accurate history! Tyranny is not built upon a thriving republic, but only by its destruction. A free nation has to be destroyed before tyranny can thrive. Just like remodeling a house, you have to destroy it before you can rebuild it like you want it!

            This is what Obama has to gain: by bringing down the current infrastructure & by destroying the dollar & our economy, it lays the foundation for him to rebuild the nation “in his own image”. When people lose hope & become desperate, they’re easier to control. When people have nowhere to turn except to the government, then the government has control over the people (Tyranny) instead of the people having control over the government (Liberty). If you don’t believe that this can happen in this country & that this is just paranoia or “conspiracy theory”, then perhaps you should pick up a book & read or search the internet to see how once “free” nations have lost their freedom! Like DaveH said, look at what happened to Cuba, also Argentina & Venezuela. Van Jones tells us exactly how they will accomplish this & how they’re “going to change the WHOLE thing” – top down, bottom up, inside out! We are so close to this now, it’s frightening.

            I don’t know what YOU & a few others on this site heard when O’Dumbo was campaigning, but what most of us heard was, “America is the greatest country on this Earth! We are going to fundamentally transform the United States of America”! Are people out of their freaking minds? Common sense or just the God-given ability to discern truth from lies, good from evil, right from wrong tells you that what he said doesn’t make sense except to brain damaged progressives. WHY would you want to “fundamentally transform” the greatest country on Earth & what would you want to transform it into? That was OUR question & we pretty much had an insight into what he meant especially after he told Joe the Plumber that he wanted to “share the wealth”. Steal from the people that have worked their butts off & give to those who wouldn’t “hit a lick at a frigging snake” if it were about to bite them!

            When O’Dumbo told us that “under HIS plan, energy prices would necessarily SKYROCKET” that was reason enough to NOT vote for him! Who in their right mind would want to pay even MORE for their energy bills or gas prices? I had difficulty paying mine before. If it goes higher, I’m screwed! If you like paying more, you can help me pay mine!

            Anybody that has learned any history at all knows that “sharing the wealth” means Socialism, but O’Dumbo & his thugs are taking it to a whole new level – not just in the USA but sharing OUR “wealth” (which includes people that just have electricity, running water & indoor plumbing) with the entire WORLD. Robbing from us & GIVING what WE’VE WORKED HARD FOR all our lives & what our military has FOUGHT & DIED FOR for over 200 years to countries that have never had the courage to stand up to or fight against their thieving, criminal leaders.

            Why do you think he did a moratorium to halt drilling in the Gulf for OUR country because he said it was too dangerous to the environment for us, then gave billions of dollars to Brazil to do exactly what he said WE couldn’t (when George Soros has a huge interest in the Brazillian oil company) & that WE’ll be buying oil from Brazil instead of drilling & refining our own! How stupid DOES he think we are?

            You asked “What purpose would that serve (to destroy the country)? Certainly you can’t think that the billionaires would continue to allow him to be the leader of this country, do you?? So, he wants to crush this country, so that he and his children have to move to another country?”

            To answer you, he has George Soros & many more millionaires & billionaires (all the Union leaer thugs, Jeffrey Immelt & all of GE, Al Gore) donating to his agenda & pulling his strings than the conservatives have. Do you think the Koch brothers alone can match up with THAT? O’Dumbo won’t have to move to another country! Are you nuts? He’ll probably be the DICTATOR & have everything he wants because he’s proven to be a good puppet for all his puppet masters!

            Instead of ridiculing FOX News, you might want to watch it so you’ll know what’s going on in the country & the world before it’s too late! Too bad Glenn Beck is leaving Fox this week because HE is the ONLY one who knows by proven fact (straight from the donkeys’ mouths) what our so-called “president” & all of his Socialist, Communist, Marxist GOONS are up to. You can still watch him on glennbeck.com or go to Glenn Beck TV. Don’t make fun of something you know nothing about!

            All the ignorant, blind or deaf people (including Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse, illegal immigrants & dead people) who voted for this lying, narcissistic, arrogant, unlawful, illegal alien, Muslim, fraudulent, Constitution-ignoring Marxist DESERVE what is happening to this country, but the REST of us who had sense enough to listen & hear what he was all about DO NOT DESERVE THIS, yet we’re having to pay the price of others’ blind stupidity!

            So “get it right”, you’ve “got it all wrong”! God bless America!

          • Jana

            usmadgirl,
            great Great GREAT post. Git it I hope you read every single line of her post as it is right on!! Also Van Jones that she referred to is a self avowed communist.

          • usmadgirl

            Jana,

            Thanks for the compliment. I can’t believe you read all that LONG thesis!
            It didn’t look as long before I submitted it! LOL!

          • Jana

            usmadgirl,
            Woops, my answer went above. I stated that once I started reading it, it was so good I couldn’t stop. :D

        • Kate8

          April – Great video. I think I saw this one before.

          There is so much going on “under the radar” with this administration. There are things that would cause even the most staunch O supporter to gasp in horror, if only they would open their eyes.

          • Jana

            Kate8,
            That’s ecause the GREAT OPEN ADMINISTRATION of NO SHOW UP TO WORK OBAMA is not open at all. He is sneaky and has evil intentions for our country.

          • Kate8

            Jana – Did you see awhile back where Obama was given an award for transparency, in secret, behind closed doors…

            http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/6927-obama-receives-transparency-award-at-secret-meeting

            WTH? If I hadn’t seen it reported in several places, I’d have thought it was a joke.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, I remember it being brought up in another discussion. Transparency Award…Right! What a hoot!

          • Jana

            Kate8,
            That’s exactly where it should have been given out if one were to be given out, behind closed doors. NO SHOW UP TO WORK OBAMA is a big joke himself. He probably even was in on arranging this joke of an award.
            Transparent? His Presidency is becoming more transparent to us who are watching WHAT he is doing and WHO he has surrounded himself with than he is comfortable with. We are knowing him way too well for us to stand still and call him a President. He is dangerous for this country.

          • Kate8

            Ya really gotta wonder why anyone bothered with this. He’s only transparent in that any half-wit can see through him.

            Think about it. A sealed history, fruadulent birth documents, a completely bogus rise to office, and he’s lied about everything. He even admits to doing away with our Constitutional rights “under the radar”.

            No wonder they did it in private. No one would have been able to witness it with a straight face. I doubt the ones who gave it even could.

            It makes about as much sense as his Peace Prize. It renders them both meaningless (I guess they already were).

            I’ve never even heard of a Transparency Award.

          • Jana

            And we still haven’t seen a legitimate Transparency Award. That one was a farce.

          • usmadgirl

            Kate8,

            That “Transparency Award” HAS to be an award that some of his butt-kissers (probably the “MessiahStreamMedia”) made up just for him! Lord, I’m gonna go PUKE now!

        • Wayne937

          I have seen this one before. This gentleman tell it like it is. We all need to keep contacting our Liberal Communist Democrat Congress and let them know how we feel about this the issues we hold so dear to our freedom.

        • smilee

          April says:
          June 24, 2011 at 9:25 am

          It never ceases to amaze me how so many of you can get sucked into these propaganda sites. I really believe there is no lie you will not believe if it feeds your biases. Any fool can put up a website and make it look legit when in fact it is nothing but fabricated videos or fabricated rhetoric and suckers like you wade right in without bothering to check it against reality and the facts.

          • April

            Then why do you think I’d be fool enough to believe you?? You are so full of prunes Smilee.

          • Kate8

            April – Full of prunes! LOL.

            Haven’t heard that one in a while.

            I love it.
            :)

          • DaveH

            Smilee,
            Then you should be able to find some sites to back up your “facts”.

      • JC

        Smilee says:
        June 24, 2011 at 12:50 am
        Davy neither you or chip are telling it like it really is but that is so typical of both of you
        _____________________________________________________________

        Then please, by all means…tell us how it “really is”, dipstick.

        • smilee

          Telling you the truth is like pouring water on a ducks back it runs right off, if you had paid attention to what is really going on you would not have to ask that question you would know for yourself this was all false.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            And if you had any interest in the truth at all, you would not be backing Barack Hussein Obama and the democrats, as the truth is not in them, and anyone that knows the truth, knows this right out of the gate. Those that do not know the truth, or have any respect for the truth, pull the Obama lever at election time. That my friend, is the truth.

        • April

          JC,
          Smilee would not know the truth if it stared him in the face. If he looks, acts and quacks like a duck…………………..

        • JC

          Smilee, your purile little retort is hardly an answer…but surely an indication that you don’t have a leg to stand on and are completely lazy….a lot of description summed in one one word…”Liberal”.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        A typical Smilee post. First an attack. Then he is asked to show what he means, and there is nothing there. I am with Jeff, I would also like Smilee to explain it all out to us, since he is the all knowing, at least according to his post.

    • EddieW

      Sad thing is retirees have not recieved a raise in over 4 years, because there has been “no” inflation! but then…they took food and energy out of the inflation index, so even though the real inflation index is over 10% it’s only 3% according to them!! They must have based it on saand in Saudia Arabia…it don’t go up in price very much!! It is definitely UNREAL!! But what should one expect fro Obozo, our Liar in Cheif and his pack of liars Teh DEM Congress!!

      • Barbie

        Obama is a pathological sociopathic L.I.A.R and needs to be gone. What I can’t wrap my brain around is the fact that he and his cohorts have not been brought to justice and are allowed to continue their path of destruction, cheating and lies. We all know for a fact that if any of us did what obama is doing, we’d be cooling our jets in prison.

        Also, in case anyone doesn’t know, the birth certificate he presented is a photoshop fake, and criminal complaints have been filed with the FBI by a guy named Vogt who is a document expert. The birth certificate is a forgery. http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=305705

        This means Obama is NOT eligible to be POTUS, therefore obamacare can not be implemented. The funny thing is you hear about none of this on the news, at least I haven’t. It should be on every news station and newspaper in the land, sadly it is not.

        • Kate8

          Barbie – You must also have read on WND that everything is being done to insure that Obama’s legitimacy is not brought into quesion by anyone in Congress or state gov’t for the next election.

          He is being given cmplete cover.

          Gives new meaning to what Republicans are saying about making sure that Obama is a “one-term president”. One term. An eternal one.

          • Jana

            Kate8,
            I didn’t read that, but it makes sense now that you said it. What is wrong with everyone? They have forced themselves into a corner on this one with supposed “politically correct speech”. They act like they are afraid ofNO SHOW UP TO WORK OBAMA, and afraid of Pelosi and Reid.
            Well we aren’t afraid, and I DON’T believe in political correctness. This is just a form of control. They want to control what we say, and eventually what we will even think. From what I read on this site there are a lot of smart, intelliegent, think for themselves people on here that won’t let PC control them.

          • Kate8

            Jana – Judge Roll and Gabby Giffords stood up for the Constitution, and were working together to restore it in America.

            http://theonlyanswertotyranny.com/blog/2011/01/18/meet-judge-john-roll-the-real-assassination-target/

            If you do a search on “Judge Roll target for assassination”, you will get numerous articles.

            It was a hit.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            History will always tell the tale Kate. Just as the years past, more and more damning information about the terrible things Clinton did to this country are being exposed, and Im sure many more will follow. And the same with Obama, many, many things will come out in the years to follow about this loser. Yes, time will tell the tale, and all lies will be undone. Look at all the years we were taught about Lincoln being all that, and finally, wow, it turns out our school system didnt exactly teach us the truth now did they? Time will tell the tale, and this guy, like all others, will be exposed for who he really is. Sad thing is, in this day and age of technology, there is no reason the national press couldnt have dug in just a little bit, and reported some things, that they still try to hide. Imagine that. One day, it all will come out.

    • eddie47d

      What a hoot!!! A Democrat wins and a Tea Party candidate is the spoiler and you all crap in your shorts. I think this, beyond a reasonable doubt proves that the Tea Party is all Republicans and is seeing to it that a former Democrat doesn’t come over to their side. They will attack him also and shut him out. Looks like the Tea Party or the Republicans are the ones not telling the truth.

      • Jana

        Eddie, at least clean up your speech. There is no need for gutter talk.

        • JeffH

          Jana, just consider the source…nuff said…

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        eddie, in case you didnt know yet, the democrats are the attack party. That is all they do is attack, because they have no plans. Still, obama has put forth no viable plan, other than to still blame others for his failure to lead this country to a turn around. My gosh man, Bush had the Clinton recession dug and rolling within 2 years, and he never once pointed the finger. Still, obama still points the finger, and has grown unemployment, lost more and more business’s, weakened us to our enemies, and gotten us further in debt. Of course, you can just stick your head in the sand and act like you dont see this, but it doesnt change the facts that its real and happening right now. But I know, those are the facts and the truth, and somehow, being a liberal and all, those two little things just dont seem to matter to you guys. Dont quite understand that, but thats how it is.

    • J A Jones

      Wow, when did liars replacing liars begat truth-tellers? Politicians at all levels, of all parties, are liars. The DNA required to be a politician has a liar strain within to ensure this fallibility. Other liars challenge existing, powerful liars to provide greater illusions to conceal their lies. Those who create the greatest illusions can obfuscate into infinity. And, of course, those who lie about such important issues are so capable of other immoral activities. What a monster we have created by allowing partisan politics into our selection process for leadership positions! Dictators really do no worse than the bums we have in our political leadership positions. We’re being skinned of our wealth, labor, and very livelihoods more so than the middle-east populations. We’re supporting FAT CATs at a much higher level while coporate America, the guvmint, and the FED are cranking us from all sides.

  • s c

    Imagine someone who jumps off a cliff. On the way down, that lemming screams ‘I told you it’s just money, so spend, spend, spend.’ Hmmmm. Does that mean that if we spend more and spend it faster, we can prevent an obvious suicide? No.
    And we can’t stop those who are willing to commit a group suicide. However, we don’t have to jump off the cliff with those worthless, self-destructive retards.
    And, we don’t have to smile when when we’re told that the head retards in Washington tell us that we must do whatever they want to make them happy. We’ve needed to tell them for many years that it’s time for them to go ahead and jump off that cliff.
    However, we’re not lemmings or braindead groupies. We know what happens when people hit the ground after jumping off a cliff. We are NOT programmed to commit suicide to please our faceless puppet masters. We prefer freedom. We just have to be reminded occasionally that there are true friends in this life, and there are “friends.”

  • Moby49

    Cmon Chip, you know what that plan is about. Channelling more money to the insurance companies and leaving grandma without care. Saying that it will only effect those under fifty-five is an admission that it is a bad idea and they hope the young won’t notice till its too late.

  • Ben England

    Well this is just the typical democrat story, as they say how do you tell when a democrat is lying, their lips are moving.

  • C130 Gunship

    We actually live in a Totalitarian Democracy. A system of government in which lawfully elected representatives maintain the integrity of a nation state whose citizens, while granted the right to vote, have little or no participation in the decision-making process of the government.

    • Thor

      Amen, Gunship. A friend told me a story about a woman who volunteered (During WWII) to knit sweaters for the cold GI’s in Europe. Every week she would take the finished sweaters down to the USO and exchange them for more yarn. But the USO had no way to ship them, so, they had someone disassemble the yarn and roll it into balls and give it back to the volunteers. They never told the knitters because they wanted them to feel like they were contributing to the war effort and doing their patriotic duty. Every time I vote and see ‘the other guy’ win (when I don’t know a single soul who voted for him)–I feel like I just got my ball of yarn handed back to me.

      • Polski

        I had uncles in WWII who were in the front lines. The Red Cross used to charge them for coffee.

        • Wayne937

          Polski, I quit giving money to the Red Cross. I give my donations to the Salvation Army instead.

        • Buddy

          Yes, I recall my father who was disabled 9n the front lines during WWI said that they needed money to buy coffee from the Red Cross but coffee from the Salvation Army was free.

          • Wayne937

            Buddy, my brother who served in WW2, in Germany, told me the same thing as your Father did. That is why I will not give the Red Cross anything. My donations goes to the Salvation Army.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Just as a side note, my grandfather who was in World War 2, went recently to visit Normandy, and they gave him grief because he couldnt find some papers he was supposed to have. Evidently the guy asked him if he had ever travelled abroad before. He told the young guy yes he had, in fact, to this very spot. But the last time he came to Normandy, he couldnt find a Frenchman around because they were all hiding. That was when our guys stormed the beaches of Normandy. Shut that punk up.

        • Vagabond

          oolski the red cross charged us for coffee at Inchon and the da,mned coffee was made in the mess hall with our own coffee,

      • Carlucci

        Very good analogy, Thor. I didn’t know that about the knitters, but it does not surprise me.

        • DaveH

          A co-worker, who had been a jet-fighter pilot, told me that in the late 70s when there were looming fuel shortages the Air Force would have him and fellow pilots fly their jets back and forth across the country so as to keep their fuel allocations coming from Government, while the rest of us sat in gas lines and suffered from the shortages.
          You gotta love Big Government. NOT.

          • Bob

            I worked for businesses who do work for the government and the waste I saw over the years is almost beyond belief. When I tell my clueless fellow citizens many think I am lying because they are too stupid to understand just how wastefull government really is.

          • Vagabond

            Dave thats because any unit not spending their allocation is cut by the amount they saved the next fiscal year. I remember we had a front end loader that was not on the invitory because we had salvadged it, every time we had an inspection we drove it out into the woods and hid it till after the inspection to keep it from being taken and destroyed,

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Thats just a small piece of it Dave. I was a storekeeper on a ship in the late 70′s. Every quarter we were given a certain amount of money. At the end of the quarter, anthing left over was to be sent back to your type commander, who had a certain amount of ships in your squadron. Well, come that time, we might have 25 thousand bucks left over, and I was ordered to spend it. Just blow it all up, because if you didnt spend it, you got that much less next quarter. So we would buy new plates and silverware and foul weather jackets and blow it all. I got to thinking of all the hundreds of ships, and air squadrons, and bases and units all over the world, Im guess it amounts to billions that get blown at the end of every quarter. There is no one controlling that, that would be the wiser to it or make it stop either. And on that note, I found it funny that they would have guys working at some the base stores, which they would call a Serv-Mart, like a big military K-Mart at the time, and some would be in the military, and some would be civilians, and the civilians made almost 3 times as much money as the military guys doing the same thing. Unbelievable. Such waste, and it goes on ten times as bad with politicians and the offices they run.

      • Penny Joplin

        I was one of those knitters, and I didn’t know it either. GRRRRR!!

    • Al Sieber

      Well said Gunship, that’s how I feel also.

      • Wayne937

        Bob, I spend 4 years in the U.S. Air Force. I reported the waste I saw there as well some time back. It makes me sick in the stomach to see wuch a waste while their is still poor families going hungry, especially in the Appalachian areas.

  • Pete

    That sure was a funny commercial ! HA HA HA HA ! Check it out everybody ! Thanks Chip ! I’m still laughing !

    Y’know what this reminded me of ? Back in the 1990′s Newt Gingrinch wanted to stop funding abortion – take the funding right out of the budget ! Then 40 Republican Congressmen told him to put the funding back in – or they wouldn’t vote for his budget . I don’t know all the details, I remember Newt complaining about it on TV a while back.

    First you have abortion, now euthanasia . Kill the babies before their born, then kill the old people in their dotage. Obama’s Death Counselors (thanks Democrats) under Obamacare. Or the Repubs tossing granny off the cliff ….

    • JUKEBOX

      I thought Obama said the Republicans drove a car into the ditch. At least they can drive a car. It looks like the best Dems can do is push a wheelchair, because Obama and his myrmidons don”t know how to drive.

    • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

      It has been said, of two evils, choose neither. Looks like we are at such a choice point!

  • Gayle

    I have not read Ryan’s plan, at least he has one. My understanding is that the cutoff date is 55 and older will still have medicare. 55 and younger would be vouchered and find their own insurance. Seniors pay medicare monthly, how much depending on which plan they choose. This would be one way to get health insurance out of government control where the sticky fingers can’t fowl it up again. Thank you God the principal for social security can’t be touched, because they sure wreck the interest and not give it to the seniors. In my opinion welfare and medicaid should come out of the general fund. This would hopefully create tighter control as these programs have become soaked with fraud.

    • Dan az

      Gayle
      His plan will dominate budget discussions for the rest of the year, and it will help frame the fiscal debate for the 2012 presidential campaign. That’s why liberal pundits are already attacking it with gusto. In the Washington Post, E. J. Dionne called Ryan’s plan “radical,” “irresponsible,” and “extreme.” But serious fiscal experts know that the real extreme plan is President Obama’s “do nothing” budget, which would result in disastrous levels of debt and crushing tax burdens on families in coming years.
      If you would like to see what he proposes go here.
      http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=13076

  • Del

    An old saying but not worn out, “The only way to spend yourself rich is to use OPM, ‘other peoples money’”. As is the case as we now see. OP is we the tax payers! The spenders are the Goob, GVMT, an entity being much like a vultureistic creature, cancers, and maybe even vernaishus knids.

  • Ted

    Trickle down insured that most American’s futures be bleak. That started in the 80s with Reagan. Only the wealthy or have mores will benefit.

    • Mary R

      Hey Ted, where in the Constitution does it give “poor” people the RIGHT to OTHER PEOPLE’S HARD EARNED MONEY?????????? What exactly “entitles” them to such? And HOW is government authorized to take from the rich (at gunpoint) and GIVE to the poor? There are many, many, many charitable people in America who will help the poor when they need it…it is NOT THE GOVERNMENT’S JOB….get the government out of the way, do ONLY the job they are authorized to do.

      • Carlucci

        Exactly. Churches and charities used to take care of “welfare”. Government has no business providing welfare. Of course, being government, they know that if government supports the relentless breeders, drug dealers, illegals, etc., the govt. is sure to get their votes!

      • JUKEBOX

        Don’t you realize that these “POOR” people have that right bestowed upon them, IF they can survive the government funded abortion clinic.

        • April

          TRULY!!!

      • DaveH

        And it isn’t just a Moral issue. When Government takes from the Rich who would have employed much of that money in productive Capital Goods (you know those machines that produce our goods cheaply), and gives to Themselves (or yeah, the poor get a little too), our economy becomes less productive. And then we all suffer, except of course the Leaders and their Crony Capitalists. So, even the Immoral Liberals have a need to be concerned.

        • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

          Good point. But will be missed by most concerned!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          The liberals see things different as most of us Dave, for some reason. While you and I are educated enough to realize successful people own business’s. Successful business’s hire people. They expand, buy more machinery and high ticket items that stimulate the economy, they provide more goods, hire more people, create more jobs and tax dollars in the tax coffers, and its a win, win situation. But he liberals seek to punish anyone who is successful and tax and take from them, and reward the lazy and uneducated who lie around waiting for the government to give them their handout, and they reward this kind of behavior. That is what society has came to. Punish the successful and reward the failures. Its unbelievable. And it is killing our economy and our moral fabric.

      • Mike Cassidy

        I think it’s called “The Necessary and Proper Clause”;
        An, OPEN invitation to ‘BROAD’ interpatoion of the constitution

      • smilee

        Mary

        Here it is, sorry you do not understand your Constitution, hope this helps

        Article 1, Section 8

        The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

        • Jana

          Smilee,
          DUH, It’s obvious YOU don’t understand the Constitution.
          The General welfare doesn’t mean the same thing as Robin Hood, taking from the rich and giving to those too lazy to go out and work. Or give to those who think having children is a way of getting more money.
          Quack quack quack, (April was right.)

          • smilee

            Jana

            If general welfare does not mean that then be kind enough to define it for us, it is obvious you do not understand it and assume it meant not the general welfare. I have yet to see anyone on this site explain what they think it means but always say it does mean this or that and you are no different just quack quack quack is what you really do.

          • DaveH

            “General Welfare” meant that when the Federal Government exercised its assigned powers, that they would apply equally to all the states, no favorites. If it meant what Smilee wants it to mean, then there would be no restraints on Government powers, and the list of enumerated powers would have been meaningless and redundant.
            Alexander Hamilton, who wanted to establish a powerful central Government and his later followers twisted the “Welfare Clause” to mean something totally different than the Framers intended. In fact, when the South ceceded, although their Constitution was worded very much like the original, they purposely left out the “General Welfare” phrase because they saw how the Hamiltonians had misused it to grow their power.

          • DaveH

            Read this, please:
            http://mises.org/daily/3254

            From the article
            “Hamilton dismissed Jefferson’s strict constructionism and viewed the Constitution as a grant of powers rather than as a set of limitations. With clever manipulation of words, he believed, the Constitution could be used to approve virtually all government actions without involving the citizens at all”.

            Hamilton sounds like Smilee, except for the “clever” part.

          • Jana

            DaveH,
            You said it, and said it so well. Thank you.

          • git it right

            DaveH, it is obvious that you have hated our country for the past 150 years or so. Our fore fathers made the first article of the Constitution granting the gov. the right to levy taxes to: pay debts, they obviously knew we would incure debts. Like it or not, they phrased the statement about general welfare, and you really don’t know what they meant by that, now do you? They made the first article about taxes,as they realized how important raising revenue would be. Why does that bother you so much? They also warned us about letting banks and corporations have too much power and control of our economic system, however you seem to want uncontroled capitalism, which most of the great minds in history have stated that a totally free market system would implode unpon itself. Capitalism needs regulations in order to survive the corruption of the greedy.

          • DaveH

            Read the book “Hamilton’s Curse” by Thomas DiLorenzo, and get thee some knowledge, Git.
            Only a true hater would call me such names as if name-calling somehow makes your weak fabricated facts valid.

            A teaser:
            http://mises.org/daily/3235/media.aspx?action=author&ID=299

          • DaveH

            And Git,
            Where your reasoning falls completely apart is this statement:
            “They also warned us about letting banks and corporations have too much power and control of our economic system”.
            Yet the very same Big Government that you support was responsible for created the powerful centralized bank that you fear.
            Get the Book. You should be able to borrow a copy from your Library, but if you can’t, it is very affordable on Amazon.com.
            And then you can Git It Right.

          • DaveH

            And for those who would like to get a glimpse at the reality of regulations:
            http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv34n2/regv34n2-1.pdf

          • DaveH

            Instead of regurgitating your left-wing spoon-fed soundbites, Git, it would behoove you to do some reading at mises.org, or cato.org, or reason.org to learn some reality about politics and economics.
            Obviously if you are in the political class and feeding off the rest of us, you will ignore that suggestion.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Then why do all these people who collect government handouts, like welfare, food stamps, WIC and other, not have to pay taxes? There are millions in this country, who take, take, take, but they never are held to the standard of carrying their own weight, and the government rewards them. There are people who cannot even take care of themselves, and they are having 3, 4,5, and even more kids than that, and the government rewards them by giving them more handouts. Therein lies the problem with the government looking out for the welfare of people, instead of making people responsible for their own actions. Big problems.

    • DaveH

      Just keep eating your Government issued Pablum, Ted. Pay no attention to the fact that the Bigger our Government gets, the worse our economy gets. They love you.

      • Jana

        It (big Gov.’t) just becomes a bigger and hungrier monster.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Have another drink Ted.

  • Obrien

    Vote Tea Party to insure that the poor and middle classes pay more taxes. Complete the shift of taxes.

    • Dagney

      If the poor paid a little taxes, they would have “skin in the game” and most would vote more responsibly and stop voting in to reelect criminals who lie to them to keep them on their poor plantation. If you are receiving freebies without any input of your own, where is the morality in that? From where do they derive any self-pride? If the poor realize that because there is more freedom for them and everyone else if they contribute, will they not contribute more themselves by making more of an effort? Yes, they will. Continuing to lie to them, telling them that, with their votes and no effort on their parts, they will get more freebies is immoral, selfish, and cruel. For the ones truly unable to provide more effort, our country is the most generous country in the world and they would be taken care of. There is no doubt about that. To say that any one of us would allow them to die on the streets is just EVIL.

      • Jana

        Dagney,
        Extremely good post and right on.

    • Doug

      I suggest you do a little research Obrien heres a good place to start then come back when you know what you are talking about!http://www.taxfoundation.org/

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Conan doesnt have a clue as to what he is saying.

    • MSSouth

      Obream, I believe you have lost all thought process! The poor don’t pay taxes and thanks to obamamama the middle is turning into the poor real fast!!!

    • DaveH

      Obrien,
      You really need to get some economics education, preferably from people who know real economics, not the political kind offered by Government economists. I suggest you do some reading at mises.org, and even better, take one of their economics courses. Maybe you could buy this book, or borrow a copy from the Library:
      http://mises.org/store/product.aspx?ProductId=33

      Everybody pays, in one way or another, for the Government Spending.
      The taxpayers pay for it directly. The non-taxpayers pay for it indirectly (lost jobs, poverty, dependency, higher prices for goods and services). Look to Cuba for a reality lesson.
      The only ones who win from Big Government are the Leaders and their Crony Capitalists. Yes, both Parties have them, just a different set of favorites for Democrats or Republicans.

      • Wayne937

        DaveH, it is these misinformed people that Obama counts on to get him elected, or reelected in this case. Politicians want to keep the poor folks dumb so they can get their votes. Dumb people don’t have to stay dumb, they have schools they can go to and get out of the dumb slump. Of course, with the current administration policies, young folks just graduating from college now can’t find any jobs. Hopefully they will be able to see through this president this time around as we now have a report card on him and his stupid ideologies. A lot of these young college kids voted for Obama before because they naively believed him even though he was lying through his teeth. We older folks knew better as we could see through this imposter so we were the 47 percent who voted against him. Let’s have a landslide for the Conservatives this time around. Let’s fire Muslim Communist and get him out of the White House.

        • DaveH

          The thing is, Wayne, that it’s difficult to get people to vote for the True Conservatives, because real Freedom is scary (taking care of themselves and tolerating other peoples’ differences), so instead they vote for Conservative-Lite (like Romney, or McCain). And the Government just keeps growing, albeit more slowly. But I think slow growth is more dangerous than the shock treatment growth that Obama has administered. At least, with Obama’s impatient blundering, many of the voters are starting to think for themselves (finally). I’m pretty sure a more patient, slower growth guy, like Romney, would have gotten away with it.

        • April

          Maybe we ought to go back to ‘if ya don’t own land or property, ya don’t vote”(exception would be those who serve in the US Military). That way tax payers and our soldiers are the ones who rightfully get a say who is in office. Just an added thought here.

          • karolyn

            Oh, come on, April! That is certainly un-American! I wonder what the percentage would be?

          • April

            LOL, Now karolyn, if you did not have a warped view of the world we live in and knew your history, then you would see just how truly American this concept is.

          • Kate8

            April – Exactly, because that is the way it was originally set up.

            How much more American can you get?

          • Kate8

            What’s really interesting is that an Obama supporter would call anything unAmerican.

          • DaveH

            I think we’re too far past that, April. But we definitely shouldn’t let people vote who aren’t paying into the system. Without being financially involved, they have no interest whatever in efficient Government.
            The Government knew that when they created the progressive Income Tax. The Leaders are no dummies. I’m not sure I can say that about the sheeple.

          • April

            Kate8 and DaveH,
            Both of you make good points!

          • Kate8

            Why should those who own nothing and feed at the public trough be able to decide how much the producers must pay in taxes, or how much to tax their property?

            If someone pays no tax, then they are all for heavier taxation on those who do. Especially since it is to their own benefit.

            It is set up to encourage class warfare, discourage production and win votes for the enemies of freedom.

          • Jana

            Kate8,
            Excellent point.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Well karolyn, I see it this way. If you dont have any stake in it, why should you have a say so in it? I mean, like when California voters have something local on their ballot, and I live in Indiana, I have no stake in it, so Im not allowed to vote on it, because its a California referendum. So when were voting for people for political office, who make decisions regarding collecting and spending our tax dollars, those who have no skin in the game, that dont contribute to the tax collections, shouldnt be allowed to vote, since it doesnt affect their paychecks. I do not see how you can differ with that approach. Those millions who continually get to vote to receive stipends, without paying into the system, shouldnt be allowed to prostitute the vote that way. Not at all.

    • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

      What plank in the Tea Party Platform is that?

      I think you must have had a very Liberal education, and cannot tell the difference between T and D.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      The poor dont pay taxes Conan. They collect them from the paychecks of working folks like myself. They also collect them from the so called rich, which you freely demonize, who pay over 80 percent of the tax load in this country already. What, do you want all of them to move to Mexico and other foreign countries? Keep taxing the hell out of them, and more and more will leave. Get educated Conan.

  • Kim

    Our problems here in Australia positively pale in comparison to yours. Good luck, we’ll need it when the sheets hit the wind in your country,shame that most folks are’nt taught the real truth in school that “your government” is NOT there to look after you.Its there to steal your money and take away your rights.
    All the best I have a feeling you’ll be needing it!

    • Al Sieber

      Well Kim, what makes you think Australia is immune? when we crash, you crash and at least we still have the second amendment.

      • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

        Are you sure, Al?

        Checked what we have given away to the UN today? Those “Executive Orders” come thick and fast!

        • Bob Marshall

          I read excutive orders from 10995 to 11005. If the UN has its way we will find their troops patrolling our streets one day. First, they plan to disarm all citizens.

        • Al Sieber

          Well Lewis, does that mean you’ll give up your rights because of some article?

    • DaveH

      Good luck to you, also, Kim. Leaders everywhere are feathering their own nests as fast as they can.

    • Wayne937

      Kim, I think it is so strange that people in other countries can see things that the residents within our own country cannot see. There are a few of us that can clealy see where Muslim Communist Obama is trying to take our country. We just don’t have any good Conservative Representatives in Congress to help us out. We certainlh do have a lot of misinformed people in this country. I think maybe they have had it too good in the past and are continuing looking for hand outs from our Communist President.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You are more correct than you may know. Even Al Quada backs Obama, so that should tell his followers something.

    • April

      Thank you Kim! And if ya wanna send some prayers our way, that would be appreciated too. :D

  • Bob

    The troubles with SS prove (once again) that government scum cannot be trusted with our money. If I had been able to invest the same amount of money on mutual funds that I was forced to give to the government, I would have no financial worries today. Also, when I die, my family would get the money rather than it going to people who mean nothing to me and who do not deserve one cent of the money I put into SS. The fact is, the first American dictator (FDR) always meant for the bulk of the money to go to the government and the democrats have done everything they could to make his plan work. I believe that the government owes all those who paid into SS a ton of money and should be forced to pay it back by eliminating welfare and making welfare parasites pay back all they have stolen, slashing government salaries, ending our military involvement in muslim cesspools, and by eliminating several lieberal-infested government agencies such as the Dept. of (mis) Education and the Labor Dept. After we are paid back, then put an end to SS and let everyone plan for their own retirement.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I totally agree Bob. If I had all the social security money I paid into this thing from day one, invested in a fund of my choice, or even just bought U.S. savings bonds with it, I would pretty much be set for life, well, that is as long as our monetary system stays solvent. Sometimes I think our leaders want to spend us into bankruptcy, destroy the monetary system, then tell the Chinese and the other we may owe that we are starting all over and dont owe them anymore. Sounds like something our lawyer politicians would dream up. Then they could take the Chinese to court, and win the case. That kind if seems to be their warped think tank in politics.

  • Joe

    The American people are to busy or too distracted to see the wool being pulled over their eyes buy our so called elected leaders. If you wrote a business plan similar to the way they want to run this country you would be laughed out of every bank in the country. If you put their plan into a college paper your grade would be D . So why should it work for the American people, answer you have an elite ruling class that are either out of touch or crooks. I say they all have to go. The GOP is not to far from the current administration if you think Romney or any other main stream GOP candidate is going to change anything dream on. You had big debt, war and bailouts with Bush and you have more of the same with Obama, show me the difference ? It is time to hold these elites accountable and they have to go send them out into the private sector to live in the system they created.

    • Carlucci

      The elite ruling class are “not out of touch”, because they already ARE crooks! Most of the posters on this board are aware that both parties are at fault – the democraps and repulsivecans are cut from the same cloth – a two headed monster on one body.

    • JUKEBOX

      If you put a business plan in effect like the Dem’s plans, you would end up in a Federal prison.

    • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

      At least the last Bush had the excuse of severe brain damage from drinking his way through college. Not sure what Obama’s excuse is!! Maybe his religion?

      • Barbie

        Obama is following his Muslim religious beliefs, which is to destroy America from within. He is doing a pretty good job of that.

        He “says” (lie) he is Christian. If he is then I am the Queen of England.

        • bob wire

          If you insist, your Royal Hine

          • April

            Go sit on a high wirre bob wire!! GRACIOUS!!

          • April

            high wire that is

          • Jana

            bob wire,
            That was tacky, very tacky!

        • Jana

          Barbie,
          You are so right.

        • Wayne937

          Barbie, I think we all, or we all should know by now, that Muslim Communist Obama is indeed a Muslim. I heard him twice on tv say he was a Muslim by a slip of the tongue. In each segment he was being interviewed by George Stephanopoulos of the ABC News. Anyone who tells you that Obama is a Chrstian is either a liar, or a fool. If the people who believe him would have really started watching what he says, and what he has done over the last 2 1/2 years would also know this by now. I find it hard to believe that people would till vote for Obama. They are either Muslims themselves, or think like Muslims.

        • karolyn

          Your Majesty!

          • April

            Ohh Right, You Grovel!!

          • Jana

            karolyn,
            you are being very tacky too.

        • Kate8

          Bush drank, and Obama did drugs.

          Who knows. Maybe he still does.

        • Wayne937

          Barbie, just check out this website and you will see where Obama is admitting he is a Muslim. There will not be any doubt when you hear this one. Of course, the Liberals will not believe it. This video has stops in it, so be patient. It take about 10 minutes to listen to all of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY

          • smilee

            Wayne

            They cut him off in mid sentence so we did not have the opportunity to here what he really said in its entirety. What are they hiding when they edit it that way? Obama has said repeatably he is a Christian and the evidence is he never practiced the Muslim faith at anytime in his life. Are you really sucker enough to believe a half statement without knowing the full statement. Any lie will do for you will it not.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Gee Lewis, you really think that everyone who drank in college has brain damage? Really. You dont think maybe, just maybe, Obama might have suffered more from his admitted cocaine use? Hmm. Just a thought Lewis. And to tell the truth Lewis, I would venture to say I drank more in High School than Bush did in college. And my brain works fine. Question is, what did you do that screwed your brain up into voting for anti American muslims like obama? That is the real question Lewis. What did you do to destroy your mind that you cannot think correctly anymore? Crack? Speed? Horse? Lude’s? Meth? What is it Lewis? Do you remember?

  • Klaus

    The debt ceiling should not be raised. Democrats are doing what they do best when their hold on power is threatened, that is scaring people who have trouble thinking for themselves. Republicans will probably cave in the end, and thereby contribute to the decline of our country. The fix for all this is not all that difficult. Get rid of 90% of regulations, and you will see that we would recover just fine. But neither Democrats nor Republicans want that, so basically we are screwed unless we get more people like Bachman, Cain, Palin, etc. to start running our country.

    • Bob

      The debt ceiling should be lowered and this can be done by ending welfare and slashing government at all levels.

      • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

        How about if we took away ALL payments of all sorts to our government officials, and distributed it to those on welfare, and put the government officials onto what a welfare recipient gets each month?

        Just a thought. See how it works out after a year? Or two.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Those on welfare need to get a job Lewis, not given more. Im sick of it. I used to work with a guy that made the same amount as me, and his live in girlfriend had 5 kids, and they got welfare and food stamps and WIC, and housing money and all sorts of things, for being irresponsible and not caring. And you propose to give them more? What kind of a sick son of a gun are you? That is one of the reason’s we are broke, because we constantly give away to people and countries that dont deserve a dime. Stop the madness Lewis. We need to start a “get a job or get out” program. That is what we need.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I agree totally. No doubt about it.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I agree totally with Bob’s post, not Lewis.

    • Wayne937

      Smilee, I don’t know how many times now I have repeated this on this forum. I guess it just shows how people forgets things they want to forget. I personally heard Obama tell George Stephanopoulos, twice in 2 different interviews, that he was a Muslim, by a slip of the tongue. On one interview he said, even though I am a Muslim, shortly later, George had to correct him by saying, you mean Christian. Then Obama said, yes! I mean Christian. I will never believe that any man, unless he is a mental case, will make a mistake and say he is a Muslim when he is indeed a Christian. Could that ever happen to you? I know it could never happen to me as being a Muslim if the farthest thing from my mind. The information is out there that he is a Muslim. Obama is lying when he says he is not a Muslim. If you opt not to believe facts, then that is your problem.

      • Wayne937

        Smilee, one more thing. This video is about 10 minutes long. They had to shorten it to put various other video clips in the segment to get everything in. If you cannot tell that Obama is a Muslim after seeing and listening to this video, then you will never belive it. You will only be kidding yourself. Obama lies so much he makes a lot of mistakes while he is giving speeches. I have a lot of time on my hand and I have heard him tell many lies from time to time. If you always tell the truth, you will never forget the truth. Lies are hard to remember from one speech to another speech, especially when a lot of time has elapsed in between. When I would take the stand in a court room after swearing to tell the truth, and only the truth, I would tell my side of the story exactly the way I remembered it, I would never, never lie to convict anyone, regardless who they were.

        • DaveH

          I think it goes beyond that, Wayne (forgetting their previous lies). I think they have gotten so used to the sheeple buying into whatever they say that they just don’t bother making the effort to avoid contradicting earlier speeches.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, that is a truth that can’t be denied. Their whole idea about the sheeple seems based on “they fell for it before because they’re stupid, why change our approach now”…sheeple will always be sheeple.

        • JC

          … we can’t forget this quote from Obama’s book Audacity of Hope

          “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

          How “All American” is that?

          • Kate8

            Hey, guys. I don’t believe for one second that O’s flubbing his Oath of Office was accidental, either.

            Supposedly he did it right behind closed doors.

            Sure. Right. Gothcha.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Wayne, I have to agree. I could never, and I mean, never ever have the words, “my muslim anything” come out of my mouth, because I am not a muslim and it is not in me. For him to say that, it has to be a part of his being, or it could not have slipped out. I have also seen a live tape of Michelle Obama speaking, where she referred to Kenya as “Barack’s hometown”. Now you tell me how that slips out if that isnt true also. These two are living the life of Riley in the White House, golfing 100 times or more in two years on the job, and Michelle is eating Lobster Tail and whatever else is the most expensive thing to eat,living large on our tax dollars, spending it as fast as they can, while they can. I used to think the Clintons were America’s worst nightmare, you know, white trash with money, but Im thinking the Obama’s have stepped it up a bit, and have already shattered the records for amounts spent while in the White House. And it will continue. At this point, Im wondering if they will try to steal the furniture when they leave like the Clintons did.

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLInio

    They are all liars.

    • Al Sieber

      I second that!!

      • Carlucci

        Me too. They lie about everything and they do it all the time.

        • Dan az

          The fact that their lips are moving is proof of that!

      • Buddy

        Lying is making conscious falsehoods. These commies aren’t lying- – they really believe what they say. They really do.

        • Jana

          No Buddy,
          They are trying to speak what they say into existance, and then enact laws to make sure it becomes a fact. They KNOW what they are doing.

    • Wayne937

      sean, I hate a liar more than a thief. My Dad used to tell me the same thing back in the 50′s when I was still a teenager. His reasoning was, you can put a thief in jail, but can’t put a liar in jail. I think my Dad had his act together. I never forgot it, and I never will. I do not have any respect for liars, or thieves. Yes! I feel the biggest part of Congress are liars. Why do they keep getting voted back in office? It just shows me the calibre of the people that are voting for them are not any better. What is this country coming to when you can’t believe half of the folks you deal with. This is terrible to say, but I don’t trust anyone anymore.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        This congress and all politicians being liars, is because they are all lawyers. I have never in my life ever seen a bigger group of liars than lawyers. They go into court rooms and lie all the time in their attempts to prostitute the law, and they have done it masterfully, where our whole penal systems needs to be redone, because these lying lawyers have turned it all upside down, with their lying forked tongues. I see what they are, and what they do, and what they have done to this country. And they are the only group I despise. It makes it really hard on me, when God calls on me to love the unlovable, and to pray for my enemies. These guys really stretch me to the limits, and make it hard.

  • bob wire

    “What it won’t be able to do is to pay for all the socialistic boondoggles Barack Obama and his buddies want. ”

    Well Chip. ~ I suppose we can see it as a shopping list and disagree on the importance of each item on this list.

    I hate yogurt, Chinese noodles, I have no need from a devise that makes bread or a electric carving knife but I wouldn’t want to deny you of them.

    I could easily undermine the items on your list just a easily as you could mine. I could make claims that only “fairy’s” eat yogurt or Bread is for poor people or an electric carving knives are for sissies.

    Osama make be dead today but the effects of what he put in motion are still kicking our collective a$$ets.

    As a nation, we reacted poorly and today we are paying dearly for it. While I openly opposed , my government and those that supported it’s leadership didn’t listen, didn’t agree and today, I too am left to pay for things I didn’t agree with or use. That’s the way it works! My shopping list fell on deaf ears and I was shouted down.

    If we can’t control ourselves and how we react to events, how are we to control others? Seems that we can’t do either.

    A nation that is ran by the ambiguity of cooperate America, where responsibility is deferred and guilt veiled is what we are experience today. The days of accountability have been lost and we attempt to come to grips with short falls in revenues and a “shopping list” of items that people expect.

    Short term individual gains has been traded for long term comprehensive leadership in this country and we feel the effects stronger by the day.

    I’m all for less taxes ~ I’m also for everyone carrying their load and not permitting people to shirk from their responsibilities as American “earners” ~ It’s a pay to play situation, always has been.

    Today, in times of “less” it’s easy to begrudge someone under a bridge somewhere a free biscuit while we still have people in high places using trains a mile long, loaded with biscuits to never be seen again and no one seems to see or care.

    Mr. Peabody’s coal train is still rolling and doing quite well in 2011 with more powerful Engines and longer trains then ever.

    • Bob

      When I put together a shopping list, i plan to pay for those items on the list. When you liberals put together a shopping list, you plan to steal the money from others to pay for the items on the list. That is the difference between conservatives and lieberals such as yourself.

      • bob wire

        Well that certainly hasn’t been the case has it Bob, with two full blown, unfunded wars now going into their 11th year. Both started under a “Conservative” administration. WII was not so, nor was Korea or Nam.

        There was no “Tax Cuts” but tax increases, war bonds, war effort drives, and the American people rose to the calling and shouldered the load.

        Over the last 30 years , some 20 have been dominated by “alleged” conservative leadership that didn’t ask the American to contribute but rather shifted the burden of their international folly with Tax cuts for “EVERYBODY”!!! Now exactly how might that work??? ~ IT DON”T work.

        3% is not a lot of loot to some people, I could have done without it and not missed it. But it’s a huge amount to come up short across the board, year in and year out for some 6 years while spending like a drunken sailor on shore leave.

        The current administration attempted to allow the sundown clause to kill off 43′s ill conceived Tax Cuts that helped insure his ill fated 2nd term of a “do little” administration. But it was met with great opposition and now as we looking at huge short falls, while still honoring obligations 43 wrote hot check for.

        Let’s face it, Bush and the 101 congress were “Paper Hangers” ~ That 101st congress can be seen as pandering to the will of the Administration, we must bear in mind the power of Special Interest had a heavy hand in the process, no different then today ~try as we might, there has been little change. They might have taken the Lobbyist coffee pot away or made them park farther from the front door of the white house. Whatever has been done, it has not been enough.

        We killed the goose that laid the golden egg when Cooperate America thumbed it nose at the American labor force and hired out to 3rd world nations where people wearing shoes was seen as optional and if they were lucky they might have all the fresh water they could tote.

        and for what? Profit margins for Cooperate America and cheaper good.

        We are all guilt at some level. So this attempt to lay today’s problems at a single door step and suggest you had no part in it or that you know better is pure horse manure Bob.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          No Bob. Afghanistan and Iraq wars were actually both started under one William Jefferson Clinton. While he was busy playing with cigars and interns, the Islamic terrorists were blowing up American targets right and left, and then billy boy was out, Bush was in, and they pulled off 9-11, which was all planned and set up during Clinton’s 8 year fiasco, and Bush did what any red blooded American would and should do, he kicked their butt, though not as hard as I would have, but he at least retaliated and took the fight to them. And gee, seems we have been safe here since then. But these wars were started while Clinton was abusing his powers in office, selling our technology to China, and deporting our jobs to Mexico. And dont you forget it. Only he was a coward that kept letting them punch us in the nose, again and again and again, but like a little girl, he was scared. You are in error Bob. Clinton allowed these wars to start by being a coward. Get your facts straight.

      • bob wire

        and by the way Bob, for the record I’m not a liberal~ so don’t attempt to label me as so. ~ I’m just in disagreement with what many of you propose and the pouring out of emotion.

        I’m permitted to do disagree but you do not have my permission to label me without knowledge of who I am and how I conduct my affairs. I would not do that to you. Not so much that I care about your feeling but it’s simple impossible to do.

        After 8 years of 43, I learned to not speak or act-out in anger, It only make you appear foolish and small when you lash out at the first thing that offends your senses. For “things” are not as they seem at first glance. There is a purpose for this. Lets attempt to stay focused and not be fooled again to what’s really afoot.

        People are telling you, the well is dry and you must do with less while they have hide a water shed by rerouteing the water flow and there is plenty. The purpose for this? ~ To create uncertainty and a “Fire Sale”, encouraging “others” to cut their losses and settle for 10 cents on the dollar. Just one more Transfer of Wealth that is created and controlled by the few, and at this point I don’t see how it might be averted.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I have to add this bob wire. After 8 years of 43, and 2-1/2 years of Obama, boy, I sure do miss 43.

  • jimster

    The poor don’t pay income taxes, they receive a refund from the irs through the low income tax credit.

    • bob wire

      I understand GE is doing about the same thing! getting more back then they put in! as the story goes~

      That doesn’t seem to work for me ! I think I have a pretty good book keeper that manages to keep it down under 10 grand.

      I feel like I paid my fair amount, deserving of what America has to offer and my b1tching rights. I deserve no more and expect not less.

      and some would call me a liberal ~ for that? For enjoying the free enterprise system and a government that makes it possible ~ I confess, I’d love to have the problems associated with paying 28% in income tax.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        G.E. is the liberals favorite company, in bed with Al Gore in his feeble attempt to lie to the public about global warming, oops, I forgot, since it was exposed as a lie, they are now chasing it under the envelope of climate change. So it would not surprise me a bit, that if GE gives the right guys the right amount of money, that they will never have to pay taxes. I mean the way it is not, they have made wholesale moves to Mexico, and are paying people 2 dollars a day to work, and they sell their stuff here in the US for the same price they did when they made it here. They should not be allowed to do that, but we all know, when you pay the politicians, anything goes. This is why I wont buy any GE products again. They made their bed, they can sleep in it. At least I will put my money where my mouth is.

  • brewser

    Reading the comments I would like to say one thing. Just remember that the Dem’s have been in charge of things for the past six years. Controlling both the house and the senate until last November. So we know how we got here and who’s policies have caused it. Allot of us are hoping that the November results continue into the presidential election in 2012. Those of you who think that government should take care of you look to the east for your new country because the voters are going to take this one back. You have had your way! The results are you are looking for reasons why it isn’t working. You are the reason it isn’t. Example ( Obama Care )

    • Dan az

      The fact that they have been running this country into the ground and try and blame someone else pretty much somes it up.Very good post,keep up the good fight.

      • bob wire

        20 of the last 30 or 66.6 almost 67% of the last 30 years we have enjoyed “alleged” Conservative leadership from the 1st chair position.

        You just keep it up with your Nanny Nanny Poo Poo games.

        4 of those 6 years you are talking about were Lorded over by 43, his hatchet men and boot lickers but I suppose you want to ignore that.

        I don’t blame you.

        • Jana

          Wow bob wire,
          How adult of you. Its just your day to be tacky. Another point, you SAY you don’t want to be called a liberal but you sure make yourself sound like one at times.
          Maybe you are a part time liberal. LOL

          • smilee

            I think it is more your refusal to listen to him and then define him on your own terms, its called a closed mind and you have one

          • bob wire

            Hmm? ~ So Jana ~ let’s see, you know what it takes to be a Christian, a conservative an a adult too!

            Do you know what it takes to be good ones?

            Am I suppose to change my message to satisfy your “Adult Approval”?

            I don’t believe that’s the way it works Jana.

            But you keep coming at me, and I’ll help you grow up much faster.

          • April

            YOU OBVIOUSLY DON’T KNOW bob wire.

          • April

            Smilee
            Jana has standards; something you do not comprehend.

          • DaveH

            Surely you jest, Smilee. I haven’t met a Liberal mind yet that is Open. Well, that is unless you’re talking about being open to ignorance.

          • Kate8

            bw – How does one determine a conservative, a Christian and an adult?

            The Bible tells us how. We will know them by their fruits.

          • bob wire

            Exactly Katie , and not because it’s stated in scripture but simple because it’s simple “so”.

            To Be Good at anything requires discipline, by it’s very nature is not the path of least resistance. ~ It’s the harvest we reap that validates our efforts and strengthens resolve.

            Today, we are experiencing a poor harvest from so called Conservative leadership that 11 years ago crafted two protracted unfunded wars while offered Americans no bounty, no dividends. There was no disciplined principals at work or applied by 43′s administration but vanity, pride,vengeance and greed.

            Today the bill is now due and this same Conservative Leadership is attempting to tell us,~ Americans should live inside their means while they refuse to resend Bush’s tax yet they are the very ones that sponsored these unnecessary wars with no plans to pay for them and have left many American disappointed, disillusioned and broken.

            There is a time span between sowing and harvest. If you plant weeds, weeds is what you will harvest. But you won’t see them tomorrow

            Eleven years ago America planted unjust, contrived war, today we enjoy the harvest like any household would that has made such a monumental decision “to spend” unwisely.

            It’s no more complicated then that ~ tho some wish to weasel out of the choices and decision they made and supported. While some blame it on “others” for today’s poor harvest, history offers us an accounting which is hard to deny, try as some may.

          • bob wire

            Dave says; “I haven’t met a Liberal mind yet that is Open.”

            I bet you haven’t!

            Well Dave, maybe it what you are attempting to sell? Or maybe it’s a matter of lack of effort on your part to sell it, or both!

            I believe a good salesman can sell a keg of rusty nails.

            But, the flies on your product you have been offering is a dead giveaway that it might stink. You need to search for an open mind that likes flies! Maybe a toad frog?

            seriously thou; ~let us go straight to the features of what you are trying to sell; ~ a “Republic”

            sell us on that! what is it about a republic that we should want, find desirable? Don’t trash talk what I’ve got and why I got it and how stupid I am for having it! ~ Expecting me to give you a big slobbery kiss for your enlightenment!

            You can’t sell a car by telling us it is equipped with state of the art see thu widows and rotation tires.

            Dave , learn to sell! ~ AS IS, ~ YOU ONLY CLOSE MINDS WITH YOUR PRESENT APPROACH. You offer links in hopes maybe someone else will sell your product for you. Most of these links require the reader to already be a “believer”, already sold!

            I know the state of affairs stinks today ~, we all know this! Now assigning the blame might well be a big part of the solution ~ but you need to offer a better vision of how things could be, a goal to work towards without it requiring a revolution and the streets running red with blood.

            Can you do that Dav?

            Myself, ~ I’m hoping the window can be opened on Wall Street, I’m looking forward to seeing a bunch of Bankers make their jump. I’d rather them do themselves as someone take on the messy business as doing it for them.

          • Jana

            bob wire,
            You ought to know about planting weeds and even sour grapes, because that seems like your expertise.
            You are a very vengeful person. You think you know it all. Well Mr. know it all,
            You stated yourself :****After 8 years of 43, I learned to not speak or act-out in anger, It only make you appear foolish and small when you lash out at the first thing that offends ….********
            Boy you sure are looking foolish right now. You are condescending and have an ego the size of a bridge (poorly built one at that).
            You SAY you don’t want to be labled a lieberal, but you make yourself sound like one. You are a bully, and I imagine if we talked to your employees they would loudly agree. If you are a bully here, I know you are a bully at work.

          • Jana

            bob wire,
            You giving Dave advice is a joke. You sound like the proverbial used car salesman with a big cigar hanging out of his mouth. Your advice is just plain bad and your thinking is wrong.
            You are oh so quick to play the blame game.
            You said a good saleman could sell a keg of rusty nails. That’s all you have is rusty nails and you sound like a con man.

          • JeffH

            Jana, you go girl. You have bobby well pegged.

          • smilee

            DaveH says:
            June 25, 2011 at 10:43 am

            Davie, you totally lack the intelligence to understand the liberal mind, reading your posts clearly shows anything you do not understand or hate you believe comes from a liberal mind. And it is clear you have a lot of hate in you.

          • Jana

            Smilee,
            That is the funniest thing I have heard all day, and I have heard some good ones.
            It is not complicated to understand a lieberals mind. What is hard to grasp that you want to take other peoples money and spend spend spend? What is hard to grasp that you want to change this great country in Socialism?
            Now if you would have said that Dave couldn’t have understood why you are like you are, then yes, you would be right. No one can comprehend the hatred and the vitriol that comes from you lefties.

          • DaveH

            Bob Wire,
            What? You’re being your usual obtuse self. Anybody care to translate for me?

            And Sleepee,
            You’re, well, indescribable.

          • smilee

            Jana says:
            June 25, 2011 at 8:36 pm

            You and davie keep talking about what I believe and what is going on in my mind and neither of you is even close, that is why I know you have not the foggiest what goes on in my mind so that is why I am convinced neither of you have even the slightest idea what goes on in a liberal’s mind. If you could get past all the hate within both of you then you would be able to listen to people and heal your closed mind. Don’t tell me you do as all you both talk about is how bad you hate Obama, how bad you hate government, how bad you hate what you perceive to liberals and this is what makes you so out of touch with reality. Hate truly blinds a person from knowing the truth

          • bob wire

            Jana , go outside and play, work some of that vinegar off.

            and Dave, ~ I asked you to sell us on the virtues and great need for a republic instead of tell us “what we are” and why things are so bad. Now if you see that as somehow being obtuse, that says more about you then it does I.

            I am beginning to believe that, like Jana, you can’t keep up and resort to call people unflattering names and mislabel people that you fail to understand them or simple entertain contrary ideas because that’s the only way you know how to respond to conflict and opposition.

            We all should welcome confusion for it’s the precursor to “enlightenment” We can never learn something new without first being overwhelmed by confusion.

            however,”hiding” seems to be standard operating procedure here. To run from confusion by hiding under guise of personal attacks, attacking with “hopes” of making me act in some defensive manner.

            I need no defense ~~~~ and I am being most generously kind with my remarks and asking you, straight up a serious question. A question that you, yourself open the door to with your many prior posting.

          • bob wire

            I’ve just read, where I’m referred to as a bully! LOL ! that’s just too rich! ~ Jana, quit poking at the tiger and go play somewhere else child. The Mean old tiger is gonna tire of your games someday. I’m beginning to think you live to hate and hurt. I don’t wish to hurt you while you seem to demand it.

            I am forceful, it’s true, I’m simple applying Persuasive Writing 101 and not here to play footies with anyone. It’s not mandatory that you be my fan.

            What good is something you educated for if not applied and used?

          • Jana

            bob wire,

            **When someone disagrees with you, you can become rude and condescending. Such as when you answered Barbie********* If you insist, your Royal Hine*********
            Or whenever you talk to me you always make reference to my being a Christian in such a derogatory way as if it were something so disgusting to you.
            You ask me if I am polishing my halo or use some other snide remark, which is totally uncalled for.

            You are the one who uses unflattering remarks. I promise you I WILL respond to you the way you talk on this site.

            On this site in the past few days you sound like someone else, not the smart and wise man that you can be. You have made statements that make you sound like a con man or a shyster when you came up with ********** I believe a good salesman can sell a keg of rusty nails. ****

            Then you add*******But, the flies on your product you have been offering is a dead giveaway that it might stink. You need to search for an open mind that likes flies! Maybe a toad frog? ***********

            You are stating that conservative ideologies stink? You are sinking to new lows every day.

            Just because Conservatives want to keep standards, moral values, and the Constitution viable in our country may come across to you as a stinky horrible thing, but You are wrong! Just because we want this country to prosper and for the Gov’t. to quit spending so much you laugh. You are an odd odd person.

            Play footies with you??? You call this a game???
            You say ******* I need no defense ~~~~ and I am being most generously kind with my remarks and asking you, straight up a serious question********
            You are so right. Your remarks are indefensible. If this is your being kind, you are playing a sick joke.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Yeah 4 whole years, and like 8 years out of the last 40. Tell it like it is Bob, the dems have had the say so in something like 32 of the last 40 years. So whose fault is it?

  • Henry Ledbetter

    As one of those older Americans, I think I had rather be eased over the cliff trying the Ryan plan rather than suddenly collapsing the system and be cut off entirely. As I see it, there are those in this nation that want to destroy the republic and that mindset should be our enemy. DO NOT RAISE THE DEBT CEILING EVEN IF I NO LONGER GET A SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK.. Common and God sense would go a long way in restoring the nation but sad to say, I see little of either Money is not the root of all evil but the LOVE OF IT IS. Sad to say that we see millions of people selling their birth right and heritage for a mess of temporary pottage.

    • MSSouth

      Henry, I think I love you!!! I agree whole heartedly!!!!

    • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

      Henry, I can see your points.

      But some of us were forced to contribute to SS, and spent the rest of our money in giving our children a rich and varied upbringing, good education for one. And into charitable contributions, even world-wide in some cases.

      Now we have been retired, never having extra cash to put into cushy retirement plans after SS was extracted. Where will we go?

      I do not regret causes I supported, and giving my children a superior and varied education, but all these plans, government and otherwise, leave me out in the cold, it seems.

      I dunno how many of us there are whose investments were in giving our children excellent education and many extra learning opportunities, such as family trips to see the beauties of nature, but I kinda feel left out now from both the raided and failed Government plan, and the others that seem to presuppose large investments, or other things that I sacrificed for the next generation.

      Are we who invested in our children, in their education in a wide sense, and their ethical training, to be kicked over the cliff in passing as the reward??

      • bob wire

        Henry, ~ you sound meaningful with your thoughts but does your thoughts project beyond your own personal needs?

        It’s very difficult to regain power and position once lost. Are you willing to take such a chance with tomorrows generations of Americans. ~

        Today we are suffering from poor investing habits that offered little return other then military R&D and those few that lined their pockets while engaged. Chaney managed to get researchers into a part of the world that had been inaccessible and look for what is hidden in the sand. That will be worth something to someone, later down the road.

        But the average American only got a NSF notice from the bank and some sense that we were punishing “evil doers”, clean house and stacking furniture.

        In good time, this will all pass but what Ryan proposes is a whole new ball game with yet fewer winners then today.

        Ryan was trotted out as an expendable pawn, while the power behind the throne and senior staff counted the minutes he might keep his head. It was simply an attempt to move the center farther to the right. Ryan is a puppy, they see him as a puppy, too dumb to know any better and you should to.

        Did it work? Hmm,~ listening to you, I’d say it did among some.

      • Kate8

        Lewis Munn – I was on a conference call last night with my Representative and, of course, everyone was very concerned about them not raising the debt ceiling and their SS checks.

        My Congressman said that things like defense, SS, gov’t paychecks and the like were mandatory, and would be paid whether the ceiling gets raised or not.

        • Jana

          Kate8,
          This was good to know.

          • Kate8

            Jana – I know that you know that the democrats will say ANYTHING, tell the most outrageous lies, to prevent a sound idea from getting any traction.

            It’s all moot, though. We no longer have a national treasury. We are under the IMF.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        What have you done Lewis? I mean gee, Im not counting on Social Security being there when I need it, as Im almost 53 now. It might be, but who knows. But Ive got a pension from one company, and Im 14 years into my current one, that I pick what funds I want to invest in, along with another plan here where we all decided to forego bonus’s and put all the profits into an investment plan, and when you retire you take your share with you, as the owners set it up so that the company is now owned by all of us employees, so they dont get zapped when they retire, as all 3 of them are in their sixties now. So having worked all my life, I am set up to one day reap the benefits of what I sowed all my life. Social security was never meant to be a retirement fund, it was meant to help the wife if she lost her husband and things like that. So what did you do all your working years, that you dont have any retire set up? Were you collecting welfare and food stamps and not working or what? Judging by your posts and how you seem to think handouts are a good thing, I have to wonder.

  • Patriot

    By the way does anyone know why Michelle Obama is in South Africa touring with her kids on our dime? Just another vacation while the country burns! These people have no sense of decency or class!

    • Bob

      No they don’t, they are lieberals and they have no sense of decency or class else they couldn’t live they way they do – as parasites on the productive. I hope that, after the next election, someone goes after the maobama’s for the damage they have done to America.

      • Wayne937

        Bob, she is on vaction on our dime. When we take vacations we have to pay for ours. Why does she get a free vacation? I believe I heard that with all the staff she took with her, it will be costing the tax payer close to a quarter of a million dollars.

        rom the CBS News: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/africa-michelle-obama-honor-nelson-mande

        WASHINGTON (AP) — Michelle Obama will honor the legacy of Nelson Mandela and the struggle against apartheid during an official visit to southern Africa next week.

        For her second solo international trip, the first lady has scheduled stops in South Africa and Botswana, two growing democracies, where she’ll continue her work encouraging young people to get involved in national affairs. She’ll also promote education, health and wellness.

        The previously announced June 20-26 trip begins Monday in Johannesburg. Mrs. Obama will also stop in Pretoria and Cape Town in South Africa before moving on to Gaborone, the capital of Botswana. The trip ends with a private family safari at a South African game reserve before the return to Washington on June 27.

        She will be accompanied by her daughters Malia and Sasha, her mother, Marian Robinson, and her niece and nephew, Leslie and Avery Robinson.

        White House officials said Wednesday that the trip will help advance the administration’s agenda in Africa.

        Mrs. Obama will spend most of her time in South Africa. She is scheduled to meet with Mandela’s wife, Graca Machel, tour the Nelson Mandela Foundation, where his papers are stored, and visit the Apartheid Museum, which tells the story of the rise and fall of the now-abolished system of white-minority rule.

        The first lady also plans a ferry ride to Robben Island, where Mandela spent 18 of the 27 years he was imprisoned for fighting apartheid.

        Mrs. Obama will also meet with Nompumelelo Ntuli-Zuma, the wife of South African President Jacob Zuma, and with Botswana’s president, Ian Khama.

        Mandela was released from prison in February 1990 and was elected the country’s first black president in 1994 after apartheid ended. He left office in 1999 after one term and remains an outsized figure in South Africa although he has retired from public life.

        A meeting between Mrs. Obama and Mandela was not on the agenda the White House released Wednesday and officials said one would largely depend on the state of his fragile health. The former president, who is 92, suffered an acute respiratory infection in late January that sent him to the hospital for 48 hours.

        Ben Rhodes, a deputy White House national security adviser, said Mrs. Obama would “treasure any opportunity” to interact with Mandela.

        Mrs. Obama’s schedule also includes a meeting with Archbishop Desmond Tutu, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and key figure in the struggle against apartheid.

        • Kate8

          Wayne – I don’t understand why they even get a salary, if we have to cover their every expense for every whim. It seems that they don’t have to live off their own money, so they just get to keep it.

          What a gig.

          • Jana

            Plus they make more and more and more while in office, as do all of our so called Representatives.
            Someone has their hands in the till somewhere unless of course Obama is printing money for himself. He is worth now over a million at least.

          • Wayne937

            As you can see, we are paying for members outside the Obama Family as well. Oh boy, do we need to get this Muslim Communist out of the White House. His supporters can go and have Obama given them a job around his house. Maybe they can even shine his shoes, huh?

          • smilee

            Jana says:
            June 24, 2011 at 5:38 pm

            For your info., Lyndon Johnson was the last president to get a pay raise.

          • DaveH

            Who needs pay raises when they can party all around the world on the taxpayers’ money?

          • DaveH

            Speaking of that, for those Liberals out there that think the Democrat leaders are for the Little People, please explain this to me?
            http://articles.cnn.com/2011-06-23/politics/obama.ny.fundraisers_1_gay-couples-obama-heads-president-obama?_s=PM:POLITICS

            Where do welfare recipients, or Unionists or other middle-class Liberals get the money to pay $35,800 a plate? You Liberals have some very heavy blinders on.

          • Jana

            Smilee,
            I wasn’t talking about their salary, I am talking about how all of a sudden they get rich while in office.

          • smilee

            Jana says:
            June 25, 2011 at 6:22 pm

            Like Sarah Palin did she wrote books, paid speaking tours etc, Just like Bill Clinton, Obama etc and what is so wrong with this or are you just jealous??

          • Jana

            Oh Smilee,
            What in the world would I have to be jealous over? A President that will go down in history as the worst President EVER? Jealous of a liar, and Communist-Socialist-Muslim? Jealous over a man that never seems to show up for his job but stays in campaign mode ALL OF THE TIME. Jealous over NO SHOW UP FOR WORK OBAMA? HAHAHAHAHAHA

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          When is she going to to to Sweden or Switzerland, or somewhere with all white people and try to help them? I do notice a pattern here. I notice that with Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton also. Why is this?

          • ron

            Yeah, I noticed the same thing with Bush and whites also. You know flying over new Orleans and stuff like that. But I would not call his racist. just dumb.

    • karolyn

      As the First Lady, she is an ambassador to the world, jut as previous First Ladies have been.

      • Dan az

        Come on karolyn do you think dragging her fat azz around to all the beaches of the world makes her an ambassador of the world? Tell me why she needs a tan? is it for foreign policy?Or is it so she can make more countries spend what they do not have to protect her fat azz.She is not oprah and I would think with the money that she is spending she could feed allot of hungry people here.

        • karolyn

          So it was OK for previous First Ladies to do the same thing but not Michelle Obama? What about Laura Bush spending $792,000 on china just before they left office? How about Bush taking 77 vacation days his first year as President vs. Obama’s 26? Views seem to be skewed here.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Not true at all karolyn. You listen too much to the lies the liberal press tells. Way too much. The 77 days were days Bush went to his house in Texas during his whole 8 year presidency. Reportedly 69 of them were in the first year. But just because he went to his house in Texas, didnt mean he was on vacation dear. He was working from home, which Im sure Obama does also. His 77 days werent filled with vacationing and hanging out on Golf courses and flying jets around the world like Obama does. And Laura Bush didnt spend a dime of taxpayers money on the china dear. It was funded by a private foundation, so it wasnt your money or mine, and I dont care how people spend their money, as long as it isnt our tax payers money. Hillary spent 250,000 of taxpayer money on this stuff, but evidently her and Bill broke a lot and stole a lot, because this was to replace broken and missing china, so maybe we should follow the money and see what Hill and Billy did with the China. It is wasteful, I totally agree, but if your going to point the finger, at least give the whole story. And it is all there for the Obama’s to use now. Out of all Michelle’s spending, burning jet fuel like its going out of style and eating Lobster every other night, what is she leaving behind? Not much it seems.

      • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

        I wonder what her Ambassadorship is showing to the World? How to live it up as a Rich Americano?

        • karolyn

          Well, the people in other countries sure seem to love her.

          • Kate8

            karolyn – Really? From what I hear, other countries think both of them are a joke.

          • Jana

            kaorlyn,
            Just the opposite. Yesterday on Yahoo a liberal site, they showed how the Africans did not particularly like Michelle being there.
            What do you do, only see what you want to see, but not the truth?

          • bob wire

            “What you hear” is limited by you, your travels and the company that you elect to keep.

            Some of us move about more then other and keep a host of company.

            Some feel they are too good or above some company and some are limited to charge on their “Get around”.

            Mrs. Obama is doing what all first ladies have before. And that flat stomach, wide hips and pleasant smile is superseded by a loving mother that cares.

          • Jana

            bob wire,

            You stated*******Some of us move about more then other and keep a host of company.

            Some feel they are too good or above some company and some are limited to charge on their “Get around”. *********

            That sounds like you, thinking you are better, smarter, and need to share your thoughts on EVERYTHING so everyone else can be at least half as smart as you think you are.
            You are starting to sound like a Narcissist. Actually that about fits you extremely well.

          • smilee

            Jana says:
            June 24, 2011 at 5:40 pm

            Hogwash, be honest and tell the truth she is highly admired and that really ticks you off does it not

          • Jana

            Oh wow Smilee,
            You just keep getting better and better (NOT)
            You think bob wire is a she??? Well, sometimes he acts like a dingy blonde, so maybe you are right.

          • bob wire

            Jana, keep up ~ he was referring to the first lady, silly willie.

            but it’s true I have a soft side.~ and I agree with him; ~ this disgust that you and many other’s show to the first family today is rooted in jealousy,envy and racial hatred and bigotry.

            But “why” you hate is your business and I’d not expect the truth from you. If you can lie to yourself and believe that it’s true, you can lie to anyone. Many people are incapable of being honest to themselves for it’s not an easy thing to do. The more dark, evil and ugly they are on the inside the less they wish to accept ~ so lying is a self defense mechanism that boost flawed pride and false ego.

            So Jana,~ where are we today?

          • Kate8

            bw – Jealousy? You are delusional.

            That woman is a tacky, trashy embarrassment for a 1st lady. She doesn’t know how to dress and they have to keep her away from live feeds because she doesn’t know how to act, either.

            This is what happens when you put low-class people in high positions.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I dont know what reports your listening too, well I can imagine its the liberal rags of ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC, who wouldnt know or report the truth if they had the chance to in a million years, but from what Im hearing from world travelers that go to all these far and distant places that I cant afford to, they tell me that foreign dignitaries often comment that they have never seen a first lady like this, that displays no class at all, very unbecoming of a first lady. Laura Bush at least brought class back into the White House that had been missing for 8 years previous to that by the Hildebeast, and this one is even worse. She has street cred, and that aint good girlfriend. Know what Im sayin?

        • Jana

          bob wire,

          You liberals play the hate card like you play the race card. The race card doesn’t work, and neither does the hate card.

          No one hates Obama nor Michelle. What you don’t seem to understand so I will type very slowly for you so you can understand plain English is, we don’t like what they stand for and are doing to our country.

          Comprende?

          • Jana

            Another point bobw,
            Lying to supposedly provve your point is a liberal thing , not that of the conservative, and especially not me.
            The one that calls someone that is usually the one who is guilty of lying. Since you called it ……

      • ron

        Did Mrs. Bush take her fat flat azz on trips? Or was she not welcome because of her lying wrong war husban and his draft dodging vice.

  • Al Sieber

    Yeah, well every 4 years, and every November we try to take it back, but it’s not working. look at the choices we have the best of 2 evils. if voting counted it would be illegal.

    • Dan az

      Hey Al
      I would only hope that there is an election this time and finally see what a free nation would look like.Its been along time coming and I would like to see it in my life time for my kids to enjoy what we have not seen yet.
      If everyone would vote for Ron Paul rather than the lesser of two evils we just might see it.Hope every thing is going good for ya buddy.

      • Al Sieber

        Yeah Dan, everything is okay, where I go to work every day it’s kinda weird, where I turn in to work there’s a old motor home that’s been there 2 weeks, it seems the owner disappeared so the ranger is looking for him and asking questions and we found spent 9mm shell casing around the motor home, so it could get interesting in the next few days. I’ll let you know.

        • Dan az

          Hey Al
          I luv a good mystery.I don’t give much hope in finding him alive in that heat.The fact that he or someone was using a nine shows that they are just a tad off and probably not to prepared for a long walk in the heat.I guess it shows I’m not a fan of the nine but to each it’s own.Glad to hear that things are good there,stay cool bud.

          • Al Sieber

            Hey Dan, ran into the ranger again and offered him a beer, he said no I’m working, maybe later. well they’re waiting for a helicopter to come in the a.m. to look for this guy. I run into a lot of weird people out here, yeah, it’s finally getting hot, maybe 115 by the middle of next week, I’ll let you know how this plays out, I don’t seen many buzzards flying around.

          • Dan az

            OK Al keep me posted.Its like one of those tune in next week and see what happens.I really hate those! :)

          • Kate8

            Dan az and Al – It seems that the desert can be a spooky place.

            On my favorite late-night radio show they were talking about the numbers of people who disappear without a trace, only finding their untouched vehicles left at some remote exit.

            They were discussing, specifically, the people who had vanished off of I80 through Nevada. A guy whose dad never made it through and the sheriff in charge were looking for anyone with any ideas or info.

            Weird.

          • Jana

            Kate8,
            I heard some of that show. It was very interesting.

          • Al Sieber

            Dan, Kate, and Jana, it’s a whole different world, I run into some strange people, some kinda scary, and the scenery and the animal life is way different. where I live there’s ancient volcanoes and weird rock formations and people vanish into thin air without a trace but I like the solitude. they’re always looking for someone out here and I live in the middle of it, no neighbors either. I hope they find that old man, I found a few people dead here it isn’t pretty. people like to come out to the desert and commit suicide for some reason. then you find the homeless out here also mostly in the winter.

          • Jana

            I bet its beautiful out there in the desert. You have to feel so sorry for someone who feels their only option would be suicide. That would make it hard on you finding someone like that. Not a good memory.
            Take care out there by yourself.

          • Al Sieber

            Thanks Janna, I always try to stay safe, and look out for other people no matter who they are.

    • Barbie

      Absolutely correct! Our votes DO NOT count! The electoral college out votes us each and every time. Get rid of the electoral college and we may have a fighting chance.

      Just like every other job, there needs to be a 90 day probationary period for the office of president. If after 90 days they don’t show improvement, show them the door and new elections held. We just can’t continue to let someone destroy this nation and nothing be done about it. He has been caught in so many lies, my daddy would’ve had a field day whipping his arse for it.

      They need to be properly vetted and PROVE they are eligible to be president, ie, a birth certificate. Unlike Obama who was born in Kenya, just like his grandmother said he was. According to her, she was there when it happened and I believe her.

      • Bob Marshall

        Barbie, I know it will never happen but i like your probationary period idea. Most jobs have a probationary period.Actually i believe all congressmen and congressmen serve too long. The Supreme Court judges should not be appointed for life.

        • Jana

          Bob M,
          I agree with you all the way.

      • bob wire

        Well we do hold such an option, it’s refereed to as a “Recall” and the conditions and time periods vary with the position. But I agree with you, ~ we need more timely options.

  • Phyllis Murphy

    Throwing people to their deaths is exactly what this group of Marxist, American hating liberals,intended all along.Along with Soros, and his handpicked group from Chicago,(all in the same Marxist camp)put their plan into action. Why are Obombo followers so stupid and blind? Americans have suffered these past 3 years, due to manipulation of banks, industry, foreign policies. Answer the question, do you like the way you are living today? Do all those with their hands out ready to pluck one more benefit from Obmbo see their benefits shrinking? Wake up dumb heads, because he is half black you must bow down and kiss his feet. The heart is wicked,and his desires are evil, and skin color does not give you a pass to go to the front of the line.

    • Dan az

      Phyllis
      I think they know that there free ride is about to end it scares the hell out of them.If they don’t know then maybe we should open up the asylums again,because there is know hope for those.It just dosent matter anymore who gets in, the freebies are going to be gone from both sides of the isle.That sort of logic just dosent seem to penetrate the thick skulls of a liberal or a progresive but facts are facts like it or not.

    • Bob

      For maobama it all boils down to demographics – the young have never known the truth; they have been exposed to lieberal lies for their entire lives while us “old folk” can remember when the schools and media were not controlled by the lieberals and the truth was still taught. It makes perfect sense to maobama and the lieberals to get rid of the older people because most of us know him and his minions to be liars and enemies of the USA. When we are gone, and no one is left but our ignorant youth, 1984 will come and the Dark Ages will descend on America.

      • Mike Cassidy

        This is a ‘LAST DITCH EFFORT’ by the ‘RIGHT WING’, the demographics are with them, HA, HA, HA!!
        In time they lose. I’ve always felt this whole argument is about one thing. “A (offensive word removed) IN THE WHITE HOUSE”.

    • karolyn

      Yes, I like the way I am living today. I am grateful to have food and a place to live and a car that starts every morning. I have my health because I take care of myself and don’t depend on the medical profession to “fix” me. I have not given up learning just because I’ve gotten to a certain age. I continue to create, help others and contribute to my community.

      • Jana

        karolyn,
        You think your arm is long enough to reach all the way to you back?

        • karolyn

          Jana, There is nothing wrong with recognizing our own attributes, as well as our faults. And there certainly is nothing wrong with being grateful for all that we have!

          • Jana

            karolyn,
            hmmm some people call it bragging. You make yourself sound sooooo perfect. Wow.

          • bob wire

            And you are the one to talk Jana. You seem to enjoy attacking people while most of us attack the ideas they present. There is a huge difference you know?

          • Jana

            bob wire,
            Yes, I do know. I notice YOU attacking people all the time. Do YOU know the difference?

          • bob wire

            I attack ideas ~ now if you get too close to the fight or are the source of unfriendly fire, you too may well be a target.

            In your case the latter, as I offer direction and guidance as you was spouting afoul on matter of the Divine and I popped your tinny bubble ,then you attacked me with nothing but empty words, which makes up the bulk of your words.

            You just keep coming back for more ~ you enjoy it!

            You sit ring side Jana, expect some sweat and blood on that pretty dress.

            Would you like for me to response with one arm tied, the lights off and a bottle of Jack to improve your position?

          • Jana

            Bob wire,

            OOOOOHHHH I see, YOU who tried so very unsuccessfully before to be my UNSOLICITED spiritual advisor, when I was answering someone’s question concerning prayer.

            Like I told you then and I will remind you now, YOU ARE NOT anyone’s guide on the “matter of the Divine”. You do need to have a little knowledge of what God’s Word actually says and means. I remember how you tried to twist certain scriptures to make your point, but all you did was show that you clearly did not comprehend or know what you were talking about. You were trying to twist scriptures that a 6th grader would have known was wrong. I remember telling you that you were a man of many words with no meaning. That still holds true I notice.

            I am certainly not an authority on the Bible, but I do study and I definitely know when someone is trying to pull the wool over my eyes.

            There are a lot of things that you do seem have knowledge of that I don’t. There are things that you have experienced or even studied that I haven’t. Some things that you say makes sense and I agree with you.

            However, I just have to remain so cautious of you because you try to come across as such an authority on EVERY SINGLE SUBJECT. I remember back when you tried to come across as an authority on the Bible and matters of God, and since it was so OBVIOUS that you did NOT know what you were talking about on this subject, it makes me wonder what else you are trying to make yourself out to be an authority on and are twisting the words just to make it agree with your ideals.

            Bob w, you try to intimidate, but I am NOT intimidated. You do not scare me and I am not afraid of you. I don’t worship at your feet, and as far as your bottle of Jack, I think you probably hit that bottle before coming on this site more often than we know.

          • DaveH

            It seems as though, Bob Wire, you partake a little too much of that Jack. Why do you think anybody would be afraid of your words? Mostly they are a disjointed collection of unintelligible nonsense.

          • Kate8

            Methinks bw is a legend in his own mind.

          • bob wire

            Oh! ~ it’s not fear of me Dave but it’s the fear of ones self I speak of. You, Jeff, 45, Time,i41 and many others are the exception, this doesn’t apply to you. Why would I suggest anyone might fear me? Why would I want anyone’s fear?

            Neither of you make a habit of offering foolish statement with the exception of all the demonizing, debasing and attempting to place anyone that don’t agree with you in your “stupid box”. It’s not very bright of you to be so personal and up in your face, not if you expect any corporation or consideration for your ideas.

            You have help me understand the need to abolish the Federal Reserve David. So ~ all is not as it seems. We kick back the darkness, lighting one candle at a time.

            I don’t call you stupid or close minded. I only hammer the GOP, Wall Street and their PeP Squad for their nonsense and unrelenting obstructionism and unworthy opposition. Today, the GOP won’t agree to the own ideas!

            As for Ryan plan, it was a disingenuous proposal that was never intended to float but only to move the center farther to the right. I don’t believe the Rank & File was allowed in on the secret. If they had, it would have not served it’s purpose. Ryan was just a disposable, gullible patsy and enjoyed the attention ~ at first. If he manages to survive it, he’s bought some party equity to spend later.

            Me? ~Disjoint, discursive? hmm? ~sometimes perhaps. If you are in my slip stream,probably not as much as you might think.

            I come by it natural, my mother can’t tell a story without going back to the discovery of fire, making any story long in the telling.

            And Wood Chips, Korea was not considered a war either, but actually “police action”. My buddies figure that they should have sent in the police, having not enjoyed their tour of duty all that much.That’s one cold rugged place.

            I don’t know what to think about this Libyan uprising other then send them in all the ammo they can buy to keep a balance of power and let them all fan themselves out in the process. Isn’t that what a Imperialist does? Get fat on someone else’s misery?

            As for raises the overdraft limit ~ “they will” regardless of what happens. Concessions will be made. It’s out of my hands, the cards have been dealt. It’s a poker hand, one will win while they all will claim to be winners and will remain seated with hopes of regaining their losses on the next hand.

            Me discursive, disjointed? perhaps

            Night ~

          • bob wire

            Only if they gave out Gold Statuettes from tears and regrets Katie.

  • Patriot

    Hey folks, we need to look at all expenditures, including the military (which accounts for 27% of the federal budget), if we’re serious about cutting the deficit. We’ll never win another election if the key component of our plan is to privatize Medicare.

    • Bob Marshall

      I spent a few minutes reading about Rick Perry and his accomplishments and position on certain subjects.He said we need to increase our military by 100,000 troops. Add an additional 40 to 50 billion on military modernization. The US spends 53% of the budget on the military now. China spends about 9% and Russia 10%. How much is enough?

      • Dan az

        Bob Marshall
        Thats a good point and what seems to me is that he is spread pretty thin with the troops now so the next thing would be the draft to be enacted for the coming world war.The fact that we are creating the problems over there just confirms my suspicions that it will take a world war to put the final nail in our coffins from the NWO gang.Our money problems will be solved by them because we can’t continue increasing the size of our military for their own purposes so they will change the monetary system with the one world currency to front there agenda to squash the remaining countries to kneel to their NWO plans.We are merely there guard dogs that have been taken over by the UN to benefit their long awaited goals.

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    Yes, it’s the truth and it’s ironic that the Democraps tell so many lies, when in fact it’s the democraps who are guilty of what they say; e.g., wanting to stiff seniors of the benefits which they’ve paid for all their lives via FICA taxes. All drones who think Obummercare is so great should read and ponder this.

    Likewise, I don’t know of anyone beside myself who points something else out. Why can’t drones or lib-tards see the difference between ‘health insurance’ and ‘actual health care’?? As for the latter, it will soon be rationed and death panels will be set up to decide who gets or doesn’t get health care. Therefore, why should you, or your employer, be forced to pay thousands per year for a (health insurance ID) card which could be as worthless as most lottery tickets?? In plain language, you’re being forced to buy something, but may not get what you pay for!!!! GET REAL!! If a private insurance company stiffs you of what you paid for, you can take legal action. But if Uncle Sam/Uncle Scam stiffs you, there is no better business bureau or consumer protection agency to report him to!! Health insurance mandates are not only unconstitutional, but even worse than forcing an employee or his/her employer to buy a GM product for him/her. I’d rather be forced to buy, e.g., a Chevy Impala, which I CAN use and enjoy!!

    Finally, to all the drones and lib-tards reading this, I must once again ask: if Obummercare is so great, why are so many leftwing groups requesting waivers?? Why would (democrap) politicians exempt themselves from this Obummercare raw deal?? Hmmmmm???????? This article proves what a liar BHO is, when he said if you like your current coverage you can keep it. Well, sadly, most drones/lib-tards just don’t understand common sense, nor will they ….until our entire economic system collapses!! VERY SAD!!

  • Melissab

    One thing i know is ” you are what you think”. I don’t like Obamas mind or the minds of the Dems. If they want change, move to another Country where their values are ones they respect. This is America!!

    • Mike Cassidy

      Kiss my ASS, I fought for this country, I’m staying right here, and getting in your FACE…..
      Melissab, Did you serve in the armed forces, I suspect not, but you do know what is is to be patriotic, I hate ‘ARM-CHAIR PATRIOTS’, if you are a VET, sorry.

      • Jana

        Mike C,
        You say you fought for this country. Then why do you want to help destroy her.

        • Wayne937

          Jana, yes it is ok to disagree with one another, but I agree with what you said, why do they want to destroy a good country like the United States. We certainly don’t want to become like Greece, Yemen, Saudia Arabia, and a few of those other Muslim countries. These Liberals, nor any of of would be able to express our opinion for fear of being put in jail. I just don’t think the Liberal know how much of an impact that would have on all our lives.

      • JC

        Mike, I can only assume that you too know what a patriot is.
        And that it means defending Constitutional values.

    • karolyn

      Yes, Melissa, this is America, and we are allowed to think whatever we want even if we disagree with you!

  • Greg

    The only true fact about Medicare is that if nothing is done no one will have it because it is bankrupt. Why can’t conservatives get the message out that doing nothing is sucide?

  • sukie

    My letter to the editor. I asking friends in other areas to submit this letter or something similar to their paper. As follows:

    Senior citizens should not fear ANY proposed plan to save Medicare and Medicaid. The attempt to scare seniors is not only pathetic but insulting as well. When the Trojan horse of Obamacare arrived it delivered a half trillion dollars in cuts to Medicare and so many other unnecessary expenses. A bill “Of the people, by the people, and for the people” would never have to be created in secret behind closed doors. Nor would it allow exemptions to some (not all) states and individuals. Any responsible plan will not push Grandma over the cliff. When you look over the cliff you will see all ages from all walks of life including a lot of surprised pro-Obamacre supporters still wearing ‘yes we can’ buttons. So where is the ½ trillion dollars that was taken from Medicare going? Ask the unions, AARP, and others that supported the bill and now expect wavers. “If you like your doctor (and plan) you can keep your doctor.” Remember that fantasy? So many lies so little time. It’s all carved in stone at the bottom of the cliff along with the rest of our economy.
    Written by a concerned senior citizen

    • smilee

      ukie says:
      June 24, 2011 at 11:05 am

      That one half trillion is just removing the waste Bush and the republicans built into Medicare in 2004, they raised the cost of the Medicare C plans 14% over Medicare B plans and their waste totaled this amount, it is a correction not a cut and it cuts no benefits and despite this reduction in cost they actually increased the benefits not reduced them and it extended the projected life of Medicare at current funding and costs by a number of years. It needs attention but it is not a present a crisis, true the sooner they find a way to do that the more efficient it would be. You totally mischaracterize what everything else as well. Privatizing it as Ryan proposes will give to the medicare age people the same coverages as the pre 65 crowd has now and that is why a large portion of the population today has been priced out of being able to purchase health coverage insurance on their own and thus they do not have insurance and this is what will happen to all those future grandma’s if we go that route. The reality is they will be pushed her over the cliff by Ryan and his cohorts. This is intended to ruin Medicare and truly bankrupt it, currently it is not bankrupted but projected in a decade or so if a correction is not made but it is fixable and politicians who refuse to will be shown the door the polls surely show that, over 70% are opposed to Ryans plan and that is why this will not push for it in the end. Your distortion of reality does us all a big disservice.

      • DaveH

        Sleepee says “This is intended to ruin Medicare and truly bankrupt it, currently it is not bankrupted but projected in a decade or so”.
        Not Bankrupted? What exactly does Bankrupt mean to Sleepee? Does it imply insolvency, i.e. having liabilities in excess of assets? How does that apply to Government, since they can just have the Federal Reserve loan them more worth-less dollars to pay their bills, thus diminishing the value of the outstanding dollars which is just a hidden tax on the people (think Zimbabwe)?
        Or does it mean to Sleepee that they can’t pay their current Medicare bills with their current Medicare revenue? If so, as this article states, it is already happening. Notice that this is from MSNBC, so that should give Sleepee a warm tingling fealing:
        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30698248/

        Keep in mind that it is only going to get worse as the baby-boomer demographic has only just begun to hit the Medicare rolls. And keep in mind also that, as they say in the article, the fund which is projected to expire in 2017 is just a collection of Government IOUs.

        Ah, the mess these “intelligent” Liberals have gotten us into. You gotta love them.

      • DaveH

        Perhaps the main problem we are encountering is that over the years people have begun to expect insurance against all common undesirable events.
        In the case of catastrophic events, i.e. heart attack, home fire, etc. it makes sense (peace of mind) for people to buy insurance, thus incurring the expenses of the middlemen (insurance companies or Government). But in routine events, such as doctor’s office visits or cheap medical procedures, it does not make sense to incur the added expense of the middlemen. It also is just a fact of life that if a service is perceived to be “free”, then people will use it more.
        And the “added expense of the middlemen” applies even more for Government-run programs since Government administrators are generally immune from prosecution or losing their jobs if they make the wrong choices, thus the performance incentive is removed. Add to that the fact that Federal Government workers are paid twice as much as their private sector counterparts (total compensation), and you have a recipe for financial disaster.

        • Jana

          DaveH,
          I agree with you.

          For several years now I have gone to the Dr. without insurance. They do give me a self pay rate. I didn’t even ask for it, they offered.
          At one point I had to have an MRI, again as a self pay they have a reduced rate. It was less than one months insurance premium so I didn’t complain.

  • Wayne937

    Well! I see where Obama is tossing us a few crumbs by relesing 3 million barrels of oil from our emergency fund that we may have to dip into some day if we really have a National Emergency on our hands. I understand that th amount of oil released will only last a few days though. It seems as if this man does not mind using oil that comes from the Muslim countries. Isn’t it strange he will do that, but he doesn’t want any drilling in this country? We have between 3.15 to 4 billions out in Montana alone, not counting all the other locations like Anwr, Alaska and in the gulf of Mexico. If we would have started using our energy resouces 10, or even 5 years ago we would undoubtedy have enough oil to have kept the gasoline price down to about $1.60 to $1.75 a gallon. I have heard these stupid Communist Socialist meaning (Obama’s Democratic Zombies) say, well if we started drilling now it would take 5 to 10 years to get the oil to fruition. Of course I say his is BS. We will wait another 5 to 10 more years and they will come back and tell us the same thing again. Can anyone else see through this like I do? Obviously this administration does not want to drill in this country. They would rather we depend on the Muslim Countries, and keep us dependent on them, then to drill here. Folks we are at the mercy of these Muslim countries to keep us supplied with oil. Obama is aiding and abetting our enemies to slowly destroy our way of life. I can clearly see through this Muslim President. If anyone does not believe he is out to destroy our country, I’ll sell you the Golden Gate Bridge. By the time Obama’s Zombies figure this one out I just hope there will be enough pieces of this country left to put it back together again. Please contact your Congress Member and let them know where you stand on this issue. It is more important for the Democrats to do this than the Republicans as the Communist Socialist Democrats are the ones stopping us from drilling. Of course, we realize it is Obama’s hand picked EPA idiots that is doing the dirty work for him.

  • JR

    Why doesn’t some enterprising conservative simply make response to this wheelchair canard by making another video where DEMOCRATS ARE SHOWN PUSHING 1,000 PEOPLE OFF A CLIFF

  • JR

    … this would show what the left is really doiung to the nation, pushing all of us off a cliff financially

  • chuckb

    some comments back daveh made the statement that barry is not all the blame it’s the people surrounding him. this is quite evident. it seems to me they pay barry by allowing him and michelle to travel in luxury and do nothing but campaign. are people so dense they do not see this, i’ll bet that michelles expenses look like the national debt, her latest intrusion to so. africa to visit mandella, this guy is one of the worlds leading terrorist, yet, the public turns a blind eye, they actually pay homage to this killer. thanks to the communist media. mandella probably has more blood on his hands than bin laden.

    why doesn’t someone add up the traveling expenses of barry and michelle, when we have millions of americans on food stamps these two gluttons are spending our tax money like there is no end to it. add up the expense of air force one on which he travels almost daily, add up their expensive dinners, add up the cost of their entourage that travel with them, no where in our history has the president and his family run up such an extravagant life style, clintom must be jealous.

    • karolyn

      I think you’r wrong. Do you not recall “Queen Nancy” Reagan? Without doing more research, she is the first one I think of. I posted earlier about Laura Bush spending $792,000 on dishes just before they left. Bush took 77 vacation days his first year in office vs. 26 for Obama. I’m sure there’s more. Also, on vacations, first families pay all of their own expenses, just as they pay or their own food while they are in the White House. Yes, Air Force One and the Secret Service need to be paid, but isn’t the Secret Service always on duty with them?

      • Jana

        karolyn, You keep throwing that out. Give us a site to verify.
        At least Nance didn’t take the White House dishes with her like Hillary Clinton did.

      • DaveH

        Karolyn,
        Before you spread rumors, you should check your facts. Nancy Reagan did not spend Taxpayers money on her White House redecorating. That came from their own fortune and gifts from wealthy donors:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Reagan#White_House_glamour

        And please see my next comment.

        • DaveH

          And now, Karolyn, if you have read the above article, I want you to read the part in this PBS article where they talk about the White House re-decorating:
          http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/biography/reagan-nancy/

          Did they mention that Nancy spent her own money or that of voluntary donors? No, of course not, that’s how PBS works their magic — propaganda by omission.

        • karolyn

          Dve – I did not even say anything about Nancy’s redecorating of the White House. What I said was from what I remembered about those days. I remember the furor over her extravagance. OK, the article did put things in perspective.

          • Kate8

            karolyn – I think O and the missus give new meaning to WH extravagance.

            He seems to fancy himself a Saudi prince.

          • Kate8

            Scroll down and check out the photo of Mrs. O.

            Caption: Money can’t buy you class. Neither can living at the WH.

            OMG.

          • Kate8

            Oops. Forgot the link.

            http://www.rense.com/

          • Jana

            Kate8,
            Good grief! This is quite UNbecoming for a First Lady.

          • Kate8

            Jana – For all she spends on everything else, she could at least shop for clothes at somewhere besides Target.

            Sheesh.

          • Dan az

            :) :)
            You would think that she could find some underwear that fit more than just her crack.

          • Kate8

            Dan az – Do ya suppose she wears thong underwear?

            What a piece of work. And how embarrassing.

          • JeffH

            Dan az and Kate8, easy…yer both killin me…gotta be uncomfortable ya think?

  • chuckb

    karolyn, the reagans and president bush don’t hold a candle to the onamas and their expensive trips. bush spent most of his at either his ranch or camp david. first off the taxpayers pay for everything when barry and his entourage shows up, it’s called presidential business, michelle is on official business on all her trips, consequently at the tax payers expense. your reading too much liberal spin. we are paying for 99% of their trips. they have out vacationed and out spent every administration before them, they call their leisure time business trips, that’s how they have been getting away with it.

  • jopa

    Ryans plan for Medicare was exactly as portrayed by the Democrats commercial.They the Republicans not just want to destroy Medicare and Medicaid they want to privatize Social Security and give your billions of tax dollars to Wall Street to give each other bonuses.They are selling out all Americans just for a few thousand dollars from lobbyists to get re-elected.They are sick and borrowing a line from Ron Paul” should be deported or locked up”.

    • truesoy

      jaopa,
      The Ryan plan is scheme, nothing more than a massive transfer of government funds to the insurance industry.

      • JeffH

        …of course you can prove all of this? I guess if you say it enough you begin to believe it.

        Who has presented a better solution? Certainly not the big spending, increase the debt limit Democrats or Obama!

        • truesoy

          JeffH, You would have a valid point is Ryan’s plan was a solution, but is not.

          • Kate8

            GMOsoy – It’s better than what we have now.

          • JeffH

            truesoy, so far you’ve said nothing that would change my mind…where is the dilemma in the Ryan Plan…point it out, be specific. A caveman with zero education could say what you said.

          • Dan az

            Come on Jeff you know they can’t do that,it would mean they would have to actually look something up.
            I would ask to you nonbelievers to explain to me how it is that tens of thousands of Canadians come here to get surgeries that they would have to wait for years to get in their system that we are now going to have.Does this mean that now they too will have to find help somewhere else?
            Did you know that in the health bill, there is a provision that will finance his special civilian army and also to fund the work place of our dear karolyn that helps provide food stamps to the wealthy along with the poor. Of course not you would have to read the bill all 2900 pages to find it.

  • James

    Apparently, Chip Wood thinks the government’s deficit spsnding can continue foreever without any ill effects. In Fiscal Year 2010, the Treasury Dept. paid out $414 billion in interest payments to holders of our national debt. That’s $1.13 billion per day. Because of our $14.3 trillion national debt, more and more foreign nations have stopped buying our treasury bonds. Tim Geithner says the U.S. will begin defaulting on its debt on August 2. That doesn’t mean the economy will crash, but it does mean the dollars we all receive will buy less goods. Raising the national debt limit doesn’t mean investers will buy our bonds to finance it. However, everyone now with a 401K plan must invest a minimum amount in these bonds. As the dollar devalues, so will these 401Ks.

    • Bob Marshall

      James, the plan for the global elite to destroy the middle class and the elderly.You brought you a good point about 401K’s. they are in jeporady.As is the weaking dollar. Have you watched on goggle? The Money Masters.A video every citizen should see.

  • KarenF

    Does not any of this sound like what was going on that eventually caused the French Revolution? Has anyone thought that all this is being done deliberately? That the Democrats want a Revolution to make this country into a dictatorship? Look at what is going on around the world! We have a president that is support these rebels which it came out that they are of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    • truesoy

      Democrats want ‘a revolution’ to turn this country into a dictatorship, you said. Wow!, and I thought it was Bush the ‘creator’ of the ‘Patriot Act’; you know, that silly document meant to protect us while shredding the Constitution. I thought you’d like to know that!!!!!!!!!!!

      • JeffH

        Bush the ‘creator’ of the ‘Patriot Act’? Try Joe Biden on for size.
        Months before the Oklahoma City bombing took place, Biden introduced another bill called the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995. It previewed the 2001 Patriot Act. The Center for National Security Studies said the bill would erode “constitutional and statutory due process protections” and would “authorize the Justice Department to pick and choose crimes to investigate and prosecute based on political beliefs and associations.”

        Biden himself draws parallels between his 1995 bill and its 2001 cousin. “I drafted a terrorism bill after the Oklahoma City bombing. And the bill John Ashcroft sent up was my bill,” he said when the Patriot Act was being debated, according to the New Republic, which described him as “the Democratic Party’s de facto spokesman on the war against terrorism.”

        • truesoy

          Suggestion: read it yourself before you make comments.

          • Jana

            truesoy,
            YOU ARE WRONG. Biden gets the credit for writing most of the Patriot Act.

          • JeffH

            Suggestion: do a little background research as I did. The quote was in Biden’s own words…and I’ll repeat in case you missed it.

            QUOTE from BIDEN: “I drafted a terrorism bill after the Oklahoma City bombing. And the bill John Ashcroft sent up was my bill,” he said when the Patriot Act was being debated.

            Biden saud, in his own words, that the bill(Patriot Act)John Ashcroft sent up was his bill.

            Comprende?

          • Dan az

            Jeff
            But but but me speaky no engles.
            I would like to have him look who was running congress also at the time.
            naybe we can have it put up in spanish for him.

          • JeffH

            Dan az, yer killin me…again! LMAO!

          • Dan az

            Jeff no kidding just looking at that smile has got to hurt! :) :)

  • chuckb

    karenf, yes we do need a revolution, however you want to define it. we need to remove the illegals and the muslims from this country, that includes barry soetoro. the recent census discloses whites are in the minority, at this moment there are more minority babies being born than white. these people that are becoming the majority are mostly from third world nations and are more concerned with their culture than ours. in less than twenty years they will have the majority liberal vote in the country. all you have to do is check out the country they came from and you will see what america will look like in less than thirty years. our education system is patterned by socialism and multiculturalism, this fits into the pattern. we either stop it now or kiss our way of life goodbye. just take a look at south africa today compared to thirty years ago. even our politicians fear the minority vote today, basically that insured barrys nomination.

  • KarenF

    Yes because that “certificate of live birth” is not really a birth certificate because my husband is a disable vet and we got one of those when my daughter was born on the base in Japan. I had to write here when I got back to Washington D.C. to get a real birth certificate for her. All it really is is a registration of birth as my husband and I see it.

    • truesoy

      KarenF,
      sshhh, it’s the prophecy, didn’t you know, and it had to be fulfilled; that is why they made it all up, the birth certificate, etc., just like the birth of baby Jesus, but they couldn’t fool you, eh? you conservatives are too clever for that, so much that I dare to bet you guys are the ‘sharpest bowling ball’ ever!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Jana

        truesoy,
        Well you certainly aren’t the sharpest tool in the tool box. You are a blind follower of NO SHOW UP FOR WORK OBAMA. Oh we are all so proud of you for not knowing how to think for yourself.

      • JeffH

        truesoy, I hope nobody paid you to come here and be as rediculous as you are.

        So far you’ve said nothing…but then again…ridicule is all you have to play with.

      • Jay

        Hmm, soymilk sounds like another liberal loaf of wonder bread, all show and no substance!

        • Dan az

          Jay
          I wouldn’t expect to much from soybean his replies are about as good as tofo.Also I would bet that his real name is smiley.

          • Jana

            Dan az,
            You may be right. It sounds about like his mentality.

      • JC

        Soyboy is just another pointless clueless Liberal troll who thinks he’s very clever. Well, so are monkeys when they do tricks for bananas…clever.

  • ginger sessa

    george soros and the bilderburgs are behind all of this.

    • Dan az

      YEP! And the UN and CFR and a whole lot more.

    • JC

      Kill the Federal Reserve and you kill their greatest tool of destruction.

      • DaveH

        Don’t forget the Income Tax.

  • mike sessa

    obama is a liar, thief. Tim gitners father, Peter taught Obama’s mother and grandmother in Indonesia. Old home week. Now maybe you know why when the vettig was conducted jan 09, geitner’s tax rip off was brought up andgeitner said it was a mistake, he sed turbo tax and didn’t undersand it. Yet, O says he was most suitable for the job. odd obama went to school in Indonesia as a small boy. He went to indonesia last winter, and told the head honcho he “was glad t be back home”. Once Michele said, “Barack’s home in Kenya”, a slip of he tongue during an interview. There was never mention of them actually living in Hawaii. o wants us to join the European union. He and soros wan the one world currency. Soros admits to being a commie, he hates America,free enterprise, wants drugs legalized. Ironically,Sros owns banks in Columbia, and some drug fields. O has never commented on the millions he invested in Petrobas, owned by soros and it whee all the drilling went that o chased out of the gulf. The taxpayers investment in petrobas gave the brazilians work as soros was/is drilling in bazilian waters. This man is evil, and said “the current crisis Amrica is now facing is culmative of years of my efforts”. Yet, he is frinds with the clintons and obamas whlite house guest. Soros helped put obama in senae and presdient.He is behind the media, has given them much money to lie for this marxlist obama. i can bie nails when i know americans were too stupid to do he homework before voting for him. now we all have to suffer. Impeaching him wo’t work as the senate would vote against. it. The interviewers never realy corner him on any of this.

  • truesoy

    …Is Paul Ryans plan tossing grandma off the cliff? of course not,; the grinder will do just fine!, she is hamburguer meat but doesn’t know it yet!!!!!!!!!!

    • American Citizen

      It’s people like you who will do the grinding.

      • truesoy

        Honestly, I would support it if I knew that the only people to get screwed under the Ryans plan were people like you, that believe all the b.s. they are putting out; but reality says otherwise, the innocent will pay too, and that is not fair

        • JeffH

          We’re giving our freedoms away. The American experiment was about freedom. Freedom to be stupid, freedom to fail, freedom to succeed.
          Glenn Beck

          • smilee

            Jeffie

            Glenn sure exercised his freedom to be stupid, I think it came natural to him through!!

          • JeffH

            So many people walk around with a meaningless life. They seem half-asleep, even when they’re busy doing things they think are important. This is because they’re chasing the wrong things.
            Morrie Schwartz

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            JeffH,

            We’re giving our freedoms away. The American experiment was about freedom. Freedom to be stupid), freedom to fail and freedom to be an obnoxious loud mouth drunk.ha ha ha
            Glenn Beck
            PAID FOR BY THE DISTILLERIES OF AMERICA!

          • Kate8

            Gee, coal…Where’s the drugging and gay-pimping jokes about Obama? How about ‘where’s the BC?’ How about the college education where no one remembers him at all?

            How about his mom posing for pornographers?

            Shall we match O’s and Glenn’s past toe to toe? At least Glenn admits to his, upfront. And how do you think it all matters on the scale of importance?

          • JeffH

            Kate8, I found myself laughing at coal’s posted comment too, not with him, but at him!

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            jeffH,

            “Glenn Beck retired or got fired…and a lot of people are asking who will now speak for the raving lunatics who startle you outside of a parking garage?” –Bill Maher

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            JEFFH,

            Sarah Palin President of the United States?God help us.

            ”They’re in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom.”
            —Sarah Palin, getting the vice president’s constitutional role wrong after being asked by a third grader what the vice president does, interview with NBC affiliate KUSA in Colorado, Oct. 21, 2008: Sarah Palin

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Health Care:
            “We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada. And I think now, isn’t that ironic?” –Sarah Palin, admitting that her family used to get treatment in Canada’s single-payer health care system, despite having demonized such government-run programs as socialized medicine that will lead to death-panel-like rationing, March 6, 2010

          • Kate8

            Good grief. And you support Mr. Fraud himself. No questions asked.

          • JC

            smilee says:
            June 25, 2011 at 12:27 am
            Jeffie

            Glenn sure exercised his freedom to be stupid, I think it came natural to him through!!
            _______________________________________________________________
            You couldn’t disprove one thing Beck has said if you had the rest of your life to do it.

          • usmadgirl

            JC,

            AMEN! Smilee has probably never watched Glenn anyway! If people actually WATCHED him they’d KNOW that he proves EVERYTHING he says with facts straight from the Jackasses’ mouths!

            If someone messes with Glenn, they’re messing with one of his biggest fans! No, I don’t agree with every single view he has on certain issues…I’m a conservative Republican, not a Libertarian, but I’ve learned more ACCURATE history from him than I ever learned before Glenn!

  • Wayne937

    For the newbies on this forum, please check out this youtube video where Muslim Communist Obama admits tht he is a Muslim. The video is about 10 minutes long. Have your sound turned up when you listen to it.

    • truesoy

      Wayne937
      Please make up your mind, either communist or muslim, but not both (religion and communism are incomparable)

      • Wayne937

        He is both truesoy. He is an admitted Muslim. He does the same thing as the Communist, ie, he is going to spread the wealth around. That is what Communisn does, spread the wealth. You know, take the wealth from a certain group of people and gives it to other groups. You had better read up on Communism, and understand how it works, truesoy, then you will know what I am talking about. I learned about Communism way back in the early 40′s. It was a bad thing back then, and it is a bad thing today. If you you ever fortunate enough to strike it rich, would you want the government to take a big part of it, and spread it around? I didn’t think you would.

        • Jana

          Wayne 937,
          Truesoy must have a pretty big mouth to be able to insert both of his feet in it.

          He is a Muslim, that Obama himself has proven by his actions. He has stated from his own mouth that he loves the Communist agenda and has surrounded himself with Communists and Socialists and even Marxists. What is so hard to see?
          Who does he have as his close advisors but Communists, Socialists and yes even Marxists.

          • Kate8

            Communists/socialists/fascists and Islam have used each other since the beginning.

            Many of Hitler’s armies were Islamic. The UN army is largely Islamic.

          • Jana

            Kate8,
            …And that is scary.

    • Wayne937

      I forgot to paste the website: This is it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY It is very scary. Only the LIberal will be happy to hear him talk about his Muslim Faith.

  • American Citizen

    What can we expect when the lies start at the top? Once the lies start, it’s hard to stop. Oh, what a tangled web.

  • Mike

    You know who I blame? I blame the people. Before Obama got in office didn’t GWB in his presidency spend more money than any previous to him? Of course Democrats can’t allow that? The abuses of power and uses of power go back further than Clinton. At the end of the day, the people allow it.

    The best that any side can do is shout about the problems of the other side and make their opponent’s mischief appear bigger than then the mischief of the home team. Government still gets bigger and there is no accountability. It simply is the left and right side of a trick coin. One sides says tails it’s the Republicans you lose. The other side says tails it’s the Democrats you lose. No matter most will pick up that coin again toss it and expect a different result. By in large they are all liars and mischief makers what we have in Washington DC.

    In trouble shooting a problem, you have to find the root of it. For my “money”…and how does it go? “The love of money is the root of all evil” and the power it brings. Who really controls monetary policy (no matter what the law reads or the experts tell us)? The Federal Reserve is the answer. Yet no one except Ron and Rand Paul and a few others really want to uncover the root. Talk about fear mongering that comes from the mischief makers in The Fed Reserve that don’t want the American people to know. But then again I don’t thing the American sheeple at large want to know the truth either. Anyway if you really want to get to the truth follow the money makers and handlers. The rest of this stuff is just misdirection or at best trying to prune weeds.

    If in getting a shot gun blast to the face would you then go to the hospital and ask the doctor to prescribe pimple cream for your acne? or if the doctor prescribed same his evaluation wouldn’t you say, “Huh?” The only man in 2012 that might make a difference would be Ron Paul. Personally I think it’s too late. But you can keep the Hatfield and McCoy feud going I guess. But those mischief makers that keep the feud going and profit off the misery are laughing very hard. There’s a sucker born every hour that won’t be able to see that he or she is being treated like cattle (chattel). Just herd them into one of two fenced in areas by the gatekeepers of their minds called Republican and Democrat.

    How much real freedom can you have in a system of lies?

    • Mike

      I meant to say “The abuses of power and use of power not allowed go back further than Clinton.” AND

      “…if the doctor prescribed same in his evaluation wouldn’t you say, “Huh?””

      I’m just a little dyslexic and tired. So I sometimes leave out words I said in my head but never got to the keyboard.

      • Bob Marshall

        Mike, you brought out some true facts but you can go further back in time.About forty years.Each president and his administration has played a part leading to the decline morally, spiritually and economically to the US.We have been too blind to see it. Of course always being lied to by the CIA controlled news media daily hid the truth.Now the government wants to silence the people to the truth by censorship and passing laws like the Patriot Act.Organization such as FEMA and Homeland security.Once we lose access to the internet the truth will be hard to come by. You only have to see who was invited guest at the last Bilderberg meeting to know this is fast occuring. Just a few sites that may be interesting to visit. wanttoknow.info globalresearch.ca Too many Newworldorder sites to list.

  • Kate8

    How many of these things do you know about America?

    Chilling.

    http://theonlyanswertotyranny.com/blog/2011/01/18/thirty-little-known-facts-about-america/

    • Bob Marshall

      WOW!!

      • Kate8

        Bob Marshall – Thanks for checking out the link.

        I sure hope some of the rest of you will. I think you will be shocked.

        I know I was, and not much shocks me anymore.

        • Jana

          Kate8,
          I checked it out too, and even emailed it to most on my email list. This is too important to keep it to ourselves.

          • Dan az

            Jana
            check out this site for research it will blow your mind!
            http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=home

          • Kate8

            Dan az – Another great link! Thanks.

          • Dan az

            Kate that one will scare the hell out of every one here,I just had a few minutes to look around and check out other sites from there and I could not believe what I was finding.We are in deep dodo!

    • Dan az

      Kate
      5. The U.S. does not have any employees because there is no longer a United States. No more reorganizations. After 200 years of bankruptcy it is finally over. Executive Order 12803
      If this is the case then how do we fire them if they don’t work for us.We pay them 1 trillion a year in wages an benefits does that mean that we are their employers?If so they are not protected by federal law right?

      • Dan az

        What Obama is furthering began more than 17 years ago by George Herbert Walker Bush, and is working to a tee today by the present administration. This is why I try to show people that there are NO differences between the 2 main political parties! America has been sold out and there’s nothing we can do except sit back and take it, or take it back from those who stole it from us!

        The president now does not need any kind of an emergency to take or seize control of any of america’s assets! This was proven when Hillary Clinton went to China and used american real estate as collatoral for China to absorb some more of america’s debt! Tell me folks, what will we all do when and if China decides to foreclose on us and take our homes, land, and way of life? Don’t say it can’t be done, for our gov’t has already mortgaged it long ago!

        • Kate8

          Dan az – Yep. You got it.

          There are some who say that we are already under martial law, too. It’s just being implemented slowly.

          I don’t know, but they sure did a number on us, didn’t they?

          I liked what he said at the bottom, about our prison being one of the mind.

          • Dan az

            Well I think we better find the keys soon!Funny though how nothing has been said about any of this.Spend some time on that other site I know I’m going to.See ya tomorrow!Oh and thanks for that you tube if you didn’t get my post on the other article it was great thanks! :)

          • Kate8

            Dan az – You are welcome. Just thought it would make you smile!

            And yep. The more I read, the more I realize that we are in deeper doodoo than I ever thought. The national ID cards are being prepared as we speak, with complete dossiers on all of us.

            When my computer was down, I went several days just working in my garden, playing with my grandson and puttsing around the house. I felt great and didn’t fret about anything. It was like a vacation, really mellow.

          • Dan az

            Kate
            I know what you mean,its like a magnet drawing you in.I just can’t walk away now, not now were to close and its to fast to even stay up with.I did notice the change in your voice though after being gone for awhile maybe we all need to back away once in awhile to just enjoy whats left of what we think we have.

          • Kate8

            Dan az – You might want to suggest a little break to our friend you-know-who. He sounds like he needs one, just for his own sanity’s sake. I would, but I doubt he’ll listen to me. :)

            You are right. This stuff is like a magnet. My grandson tells me, “Grandma! Put down that computer and let’s DO something!”

            After awhile, it gets you all wound up inside and the frustration starts to get to you, and it’s hard to think about anything else.

            True, things are dire. But we need to be able to think calmly. And you’re right, we need to enjoy the things we still have while we can.

            You know the saying: use it or lose it. It goes for everything.

          • Dan az

            Kate
            I agree that we all need a break,His brother really screwed him over and you can tell it is taking its toll.I offered to help but I think it may be a little to harsh but effective.I’ll try but I wont set my hopes up on it,maybe this weekend he took a break sunday so we’ll see how it works.And you know there is allot of weird things in the desert but most likely the coyotes had him for dinner.Out here the stars go completely to the ground and when there is no moon you can get lost in your own front yard.I know that for a fact.:)

    • Dan az

      Ya know It seems to me that I had an arguement with vigilant about this a few months ago.It seems to me that I was indeed right after all.Thanks kate for the site its a keeper!

      • Dan az

        I remember exactly what it was about now and I wish everyone would take a look at this link to learn the truth about the law and how we got here.
        http://www.teamlaw.org/

  • Thinking About

    I am confused about the statement of keeping the powder dry, didnot realize Chip was into the nose candy
    Maybe this explains why some of his writings. At least I know what the death panels are about, took Paul Ryan putting the plan together and now grannies will be going over the cliff.

    • Wayne937

      Thinking About, I’ll tell you what this means. It means you have better have good dry bullets for your weapon when you need to use it. Otherwise you will be in he world of hurt. This is what he means by keeping the powder dry, to be able to fire it when you need to use it.

    • Jana

      Thinking About
      What are you thinking about? Certainly NOT common sense.
      I know you think you are just too cute and too funny, but you are a typical lieberal.

      • Thinking About

        Well, sounds like a terrorist, just where in the Constitution is this explained. If you want to follow the Constitution then get it right. Maybe this comes under the title of home grown terrorist. Are you a Muslim?

        • Jana

          Thinking About??
          That is really a good question, you thinking that is. You sound like you are a Muslim/Islamist. Unless you are just a coward who wants someone else (Gov’t. or neighbor) to take care of them.

          • Thinking About

            I am not the one trying to keep the powder dry. If so many believe all terrorist muslim then the dry powder keepers are terrorist and then results are those are muslim.

          • DaveH

            All of the dramatic purges of the 20th century were performed by Socialists. The Socialists are the ones to be feared.

          • Kate8

            This part of history was omitted from their revisionist education.

    • Jay

      Interesting how you construed Chip’s “Keep your powder dry” to mean, as you said, “nose candy.” Snorting About, did you just let the cat out of the bag? No doubt you will construe “Let the cat out of the bag” as meaning bag of marijuana. Ah, have another snort and another puff there buddy, its a free country!

  • Bob Marshall

    The UN plans to disarm their subjects then the US.

  • i41

    Since the Food and Fiber Land Use Act was and executive order signed by Onumnutts durning the “Weinergate”. All private land is now under agencies like Dept of Defense, Dept of Energy, EPA, Game Fish and Parks, Homeland Security, Dept of Justice, Dept of Treasury, Army Corp of Engineers, Dept of Armed Services, and any other agencies in the beltway. It is modeled after the UN mandate 21, created and passed by the UN in 2007 that bans any private land ownership in the world. Hillary the Whore, and all democrats love the UN as well as the Faggot Onumnutts, who wants to be the dictator of the USA. Point out where I;m wrong, it was signed one week and now Fed Game Fish and Parks is already trying to sign up landowners to give up their decisions on the land, in ND, SD, Neb, Ia, Missiouri.

  • DaveH

    The lawless Obama administration strikes again:
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/23/cuccinelli-goes-after-another-federal-regulation/

    Their useless Liberals can’t put up a coherent argument on the blogs, so they need to make an end-run around our Freedom of Speech. We need to stop these monsters.

    • DaveH

      The Libertarian take:
      http://mises.org/daily/4432

      Whenever Government sticks its nosy nose in any Market business, it leads to no good. They always have an angle, and it isn’t to help the average citizen.

    • DaveH

      More on Net Neutrality:
      http://reason.org/blog/show/network-neutrality-backlash

      Think about what the EPA has done with “Carbon” regulations.
      Think about what the NLRB has done with Boeing’s South Carolina ambitions.
      Imagine if we give these creeps a foot in the Internet Door.

      Obama is pulling out all the stops to cement his Dictatorship.

      • Wayne937

        DaveH, the good people in this country are going to have to stop this Muslim Madman, and his cronies from taking over this country. I hope we can do it through the poles next year. He’s out there now begging for his cronies to support him again. I guess he thinks it will take him 4 more years to get control of the population. He will throw out our Constitution and he thinks he will become the King of the “Obama States of the Muslims”. Doesn’t that make your blood boil? It does mine to even think about it.

  • DaveH
    • Kate8

      Great article.

      I have gotten several notices of being included in “class-action lawsuits”, and I just threw them away. Never knew what point there was to it.

      Just another way to keep people divided against one another.

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    THOUGHT FOR A DAY:

    Money Can’t Buy Happiness: Individualism a Stronger Predictor of Well-Being Than Wealth, Says New Study
    ScienceDaily (June 14, 2011) — Freedom and personal autonomy are more important to people’s well-being than money, according to a meta-analysis of data from 63 countries published by the American Psychological Association.

    While a great deal of research has been devoted to the predictors of happiness and life satisfaction around the world, researchers at the Victoria University of Wellington in New Zealand wanted to know one thing: What is more important for well-being, providing people with money or providing them with choices and autonomy?

    “Our findings provide new insights into well-being at the societal level,” they wrote in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, published by APA. “Providing individuals with more autonomy appears to be important for reducing negative psychological symptoms, relatively independent of wealth.”

    Psychologists Ronald Fischer, PhD, and Diana Boer, PhD, looked at studies involving three different psychological tests — the General Health Questionnaire, which measures four symptoms of distress (somatic symptoms, anxiety and insomnia, social dysfunction and severe depression); the Spielberger State-Trait Anxiety Inventory, which tests how respondents feel at a particular moment; and the Maslach Burnout Inventory, which tests for emotional exhaustion, depersonalization and lack of personal accomplishment. Altogether, they examined a sample of 420,599 people from 63 countries spanning nearly 40 years.

    Fischer and Boer statistically combined the results of the different studies, noting that their analysis was somewhat unusual in that the key variables were collected from different sources and that no single study included the two variables they were considering, i.e., wealth and individualism. (Participants only answered questions regarding one of the dependent variables of general health, anxiety or burnout.)

    “Across all three studies and four data sets, we observed a very consistent and robust finding that societal values of individualism were the best predictors of well-being,” the authors wrote. “Furthermore, if wealth was a significant predictor alone, this effect disappeared when individualism was entered.”

    In short, they found, “Money leads to autonomy but it does not add to well-being or happiness.”

    Previous research has shown that higher income, greater individualism, human rights and social equality are all associated with higher well-being. The effect of money on happiness has been shown to plateau — that is, once people reach the point of being able to meet their basic needs, more money leads to marginal gains at best or even less well-being as people worry about “keeping up with the Joneses.” These patterns were mostly confirmed in their findings.

    Overall, more autonomy and freedom as indexed by societal level individualism are associated with more well-being, but the road to well-being is bumpy at times. In more traditional and collectivistic societies, increases in individualism can be associated with anxiety and lower well-being. In more individualistic European countries, in contrast, greater individualism leads to more well-being.

    “These increases in well-being with higher individualism, however, leveled off toward the extreme ends of individualism, indicating that too much autonomy may not be beneficial … but the very strong overall pattern was that individualism is associated with better well-being overall,” they wrote. This means that in some of the most individualistic societies (such as the United States), the greater independence from family and loved ones appears to go together with increased levels of stress and ill-being.”

  • Wayne937

    You Conservatives please pass this website http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY on to all who is in your address book. We need to get this infomation out to all the decent freedom loving people in the United States before next election. This is not for Karolyn, coalminer, Smilee, eddie47d and the other Obama Lovers. You would not believe it anyway so stay away from this website as I don’t want to hurt your Liberal Communist Feelings.

    • eddie47d

      So what if Obama respects the Muslim religion or any other religion. He may not practice his Christianity as well as you would like but nobody can be as “perfect” as you and go about casting stones the way you do. Then again he certainly isn’t practicing the Muslim faith as you accuse him of doing either.He only respects other person’s cultures and way of life. I respect the Jewish faith and wish them no harm but that doesn’t make me a Jew. Your dislike of other people hopefully doesn’t reflect on all Conservatives but you do seem to be leading the charge.

  • Wayne937

    eddie47d, the jewish folks were not the one who fles planes into the Twin Tower Buildings in New York City. I don’t know why I am even responding to your idiotic post. You are so dense I cannot believe you could even make a stupid post like this. These are the reasons we Cnservative should all Ignore you, Karolyn and a few others. It is like beating our heads against a brick wall trying to get through to you, but I really don’t believe anyone is a home in your dense heads. Muslims believe in Shariah Law. I don’t want to live under the stupid Muslim Laws that does not grant equality to all, men and women. Even though I don’t like a thief, I don’t want to see the government cut off the thiefs hands, or fingers. This is very barbaric, and may you are that way too. My brother was stationed in Saudia Arabia back in the 50′s and the Muslims were doing it back them. Would you really want to live under a government like this? If so, go to these Muslim Countries and live there and we will know for a fact your insane. eddie, eddie, wake up, come to life.

    • Wayne937

      Corection “who flew planes” Sorry, my typing fingers are not working too good.

    • DaveH

      I don’t respond to Liberal posts to change them. I know that’s useless. I just want to neutralize their poison before other well-meaning folks swallow it.

      • smilee

        DaveH says:
        June 25, 2011 at 11:34 am

        I don’t respond to Liberal posts to change them. I know that’s useless. I just want to neutralize their poison before other well-meaning folks swallow it.

        Reply

        Neutralize their poison??? Be honest davie, Your one of the biggest manufactures of poison on this site!!

        • eddie47d

          Hey Dave H., That’s my reason for being on this site. To neutralize all the hate,distortions,innuendos and half baked minds. Man it’s been a tough job but somebody has to do it!!

          • DaveH

            Doesn’t that come under the category of masochism, Eddie?

          • Kate8

            eddie – It must pay pretty well.

            We just think you are lame.

          • JeffH

            Kate8 :)

          • Jay

            Hmm, Eddie, the self-appointed messiah, come to rescue us from ourselves. Just be careful people, if eddie offers you a beverage, don’t drink it. Remember Jim jones? He has reincarnated himself in eddie, the saviour!

          • DaveH

            Actually, Eddie, I consider you to be the Liberal poster boy who I am glad to have around. Without you, the fence-straddlers might think we are just making things up when we talk about how misguided the Liberals are.

        • JeffH

          If either of you had 1/10 the honesty and knowledge that Dave has you might be taken a little more seriously.

        • Jay

          Its only poison toy you smilee, as you have an aversion to the truth.

      • DaveH

        I think I heard the bell. Shouldn’t you boys be getting back to class?

  • Old Henry

    Well, it appears that there are 9 percent of the voters in Jack Kemp’s old district that are simply too stupid to be allowed to vote.

  • Jay

    Obama’s Marxist-Leninist Czars and Czarinas

    They got the call. They packed their bags. They headed to Washington.

    Without so much as a five-minute congressional hearing, public input, or FBI background check, Obama handpicked and placed into power men and women who share his Marxsist-Leninist convictions. Some of Obama’s czars and czarinas admire, quote, and are inspired by Mao Zedong-the butcher of humanity with the blood of sixty to seventy million on his hands. We are being ruled by a new class of czars, the likes of which haven’t been seen since the last days of the Romanov Dynasty in Russia.

    These appointments are of people with extraordinary powers over our lives, many of whom, by their own admission, their writings, and their speeches are enamoured with Lenin, Marx, and Mao. What’s more, they’re sitting in the centre of power under President Obama. His entire administration is infested with socialists running through the place like termites gnawing on the foundations of America. Let’s go down the list.

    Take Van Jones, President Obama’s former Green Jobs Czar. Jones started his career as an anti-police street thug and rabble-rouser in the San Francisco Bay area. He was arrested during a riot in Los Angeles and, once in jail, started running with a string of anarchists and communists. Upon his release, he found a new con game: shaking down people under the guise of environmentalism. He was also the founder of Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement (STORM). This, naturally, qualified him to be appointed by Obama to be his top eco-fascist storm trooper…that is, until America learned the truth. Here’s Van Jones’ resume as he presented it:

    [In jail] I met all these young radical people of color-I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was like, “This is what I need to be a part of…I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary…I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th. By August, I was a communist.

    Sounds like the perfect kind of guy we want advising the president, right? Obama seemed to think so.

    Okay, I understand you might think that Van Jones probably reformed his extremist views somewhere along the way, right? I mean, what kind of American president would knowingly bring a communist to come and work in the White House? If you think that, you’d be mistaken. Van Jones never abandoned his revolutionary delusions and diehard convictions of radically reshaping America. On the cusp of being appointed special advisor to President Obama, listen to the heartbeat of the man:

    No, we’re going to change the whole system. We’re going to change the whole thing. We’re not going to put a new battery in a broken system. We want a new system!

    If anything, Van Jones was saying all the right things as far as Obama was concerned. What else did you think Obama meant when this pan-Leninist said, “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America? The two of them were peas in a pod; both have grand plans to “change the whole system.” Thanks, but no thanks. Keep your change. I happen to like our constitution. I happen to believe in the ideals set forth by our Founding Fathers. The last thing this country needs is a pack of socialist sycophants raping Lady Liberty.

    Let’s set aside the fact that Van Jones displayed a complete lack of civility when he called the Republicans “a**holes.” And let’s not focus on the fact Jones was one of the nut jobs who, in 2004, signed a petition in support of the bizarre claim that the Bush administration was somehow behind the 9/11 terrorist attack. The fact of the matter is that the public learned the truth. They saw what a skunk this guy was and immediately demanded he be kicked out. All we heard from Obama was a chorus of crickets when he should have fired him on the spot. Then again, Obama should never have hired him in the first place!

    It took enormous public pressure hammering away his ties to communism before Van Jones resigned. None of that mattered to Howard Dean, former Democratic National Committee Chairman. Dean said the resignation of Van Jones was a “loss for the country.” In similar display of insanity, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People(NAACP) proudly presented Van Jones one of their Lilliputian awards while calling him an “American treasure.” In other words, the NAACP honoured a stone-hearted, unrepentant communist and ex-con, street thug in a suit.

    While America dodged a bullet on that one, Van Jones wasn’t an aberration. Quite the opposite. He’s just one in a long line of unveiled socialist radicals. Several examples will suffice:

    1. Manufacturing Czar Ron Bloom: “We know that the free market is nonsense. We know that the whole point is to game the system. We kinda agree with Mao Zedong that power comes largely from the barrel of a gun.”

    2. Pay Czar Kenneth Feinberg: “Here’s what I’ve said publicly in my pay determination-nobody should receive more than a base cash salary of $500,000 maximum.”

    3. Science Czar John Holdren: “The rate of growth of material consumption is going to have to come down. And there is going to have to be a degree of redistribution.” And, “Redistribution of wealth both within and among nations is absolutely essential, if a decent life is to be provided for every human being.”

    4. Former White House Communications Director Anita Dunce: “My two favourite political philosophers: Mao Zedong and Mother Theresa-not often coupled with each other, but the two people I turn to most…” And, “Very rarely did we communicate through the press anything that we didn’t absolutely control.”

    Do you see the common thread weaving Obama’s czars and socialist co-conspiritors together? They speak of controlling what the press can know. They support the redistribution of wealth. They’re working to place limits on your freedoms to make as much money as you want. And, they engage in a shameless approval of Mao’s strong-arm approach to governing through force if necessary. Should I go on?

    How about Obama’s Climate Czar Carol Browner who worked as a commissioner for the Socialist International’s Commission for a sustainable World Society. The Washington Times reports that the Socialist International is an “umbrella group for many of the world’s social democratic political parties” which just so happens to support “socialism and is harshly critical of U.S. policies.” The Socialist International’s agenda is well known and it involves “gaining and exercising government power based on socialist concepts.” Just what we needed, another socialist environmental radical.

    Of course, the moment Browner was appointed by Obama, out came the big airbrush. Almost overnight, her photo and bio were scrubbed from the Socialist International’s website. You might ask why is she attempting to hide her past service for a socialist organization, but then again we all know why. These vermin are stealth creatures of the night. Why deny it? Why not just say she’s a socialist and let the people debate it. What is she trying to conceal?

    Then there’s Obama’s Regulatory Czar Cass Sunstein, a real piece of work and a die-hard animal rights zealot. I’m not sure where he had his brains twisted, but Sunstein believes that animals-livestock, pets, and just about all forms of wildlife-ought to have “rights” so they can sue people in court. How? Last time I checked animals couldn’t talk. Sunstein proposes using private citizens acting as their representatives! This “bleating” heart liberal wants to ensure that animals get a fair shake in court if they’re not being properly treated.

    And you thought I was joking when I said liberalism is a mental disorder?

    But there’s more.

    Author of the above: Michael Savage, from his book: Trickle up Poverty, Stopping Obama’s attack on Our Borders, Economy, and Security.

  • Wayne937

    Read this list I have prepared and I think it will curl your hair, Ignore the mispelled words as I have not spell checked it very well yet:

    1) Obama loans Brazil 2.500.000,000 dollars to drill in Brazil off shore waters and telling them we will be their best customer. See below website for info.
    2)http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574346610120524166.html

    3) Obama Administration loaned Mexico over 1,000,000,000 dollars to drill in the Gulf of Mexico in 2010 telling them there will be more to come. This was about the same time Obama stopped all drilling in the U.S. See below website for info.
    4)
    http://www.cnsnews.com/node/72342

    3) See this for is Obama a Muslim: See the below website for info.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY

    4) Another good website with Lt General Jerry Boykin telling about Muslims, Marxist and other dangerous groups in American and about Muslim Obama.: See below for info.

    http://www.morningstartv.com/oak-initiative/marxism-america

    5) WASHINGTON — A tiny car company backed by former Vice President Al Gore has just gotten a $529 million U.S. government loan to help build a hybrid sports car in Finland that will sell for about $89,000. Can you afford one?

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125383160812639013.html

    5) Obama said he had visited 57 states in the U.S. Wow! I didn’t know we had that many states. Did he ever study U.S. Geography? Visit the other youtube site you find here for many more of Obama Gaffes.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

    5) Michele Malkin and Obama the Gaffe Machine;

    http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/21/barack-obama-gaffe-machine/

    6) See this website for more on Obama hiring of Communist:

    http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.4190/pub_detail.asp

    Obama is anti drilling in the U.S. He loaned Brazil 2.500,000,000 (billion)dollars to drill off shore in Brazil and told them we would become their best customer.

    Obama loaned Mexico 1.500,000,000 (billion) in 2010 to drill in the southern part of the Gulf of Mexico at the same time he stopped all drilling in the U.S. and promising more money to come. Why is it he will use foreign oil but he is unwilling to drill here in the United States?

    See this site for the USGS website http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911 for all the oil in North Dakota. There is between 3. to 4.3 billions barrels of oil in this area. With all the oil in this area, and these other 2 areas, Anwr, Alaska, and the Gulf of Mexico, why do we still buy our oil from OPEC and pay such a high cost for it since we already have it in this country. We need to become independent from OPEC should they ever stop the oil flow. This is dangerous. Drilling our own oil would provide 10 or thousands of new jobs and bring cost down on gasoline, energy, groceries and all other consumer goods that are dependent on oil and oil by-products.

    We have a high unemployment rate of 9.1 percent in the U.S. and have had doing the Obama administration. Obama want wants the “Cap and Trade’ bill to pass. This would raise our energy cost of electricity to around 50 to 80 percent than what we are paying now. Most people are working from payday to pay now and are barely making it. These folks would have to cut back on their grocery bill and other necessities just to pay the added amount to pay for this “Cap & Trade”. Why would a man do this to the American People if he loved this country???

    Obama hired Van Jones, a Communist to work at the Green Jobs Czar. Wow! Do you this Communism and a Free Republic goes hand in hand? Obama does not have Congress vet his Czars. Is there a reason for this other then to go around Congress and hire these Communist, Liberals that he knows Congress would most likely not approve? Something stinks here, folks.

    Obama said he visited 57 states. Wow! Where are these other states. I did not know we had that many states, did you?

    I have personally heard Obama say he was a Muslim. Why does he claim to be a Christian since he is a Muslim. Why did he sit in Rev. Wright’s Church for 20 years while Rev Wright blasphemed the United States. Could he have been sleeping in church while Rev. Wright made those derogatory states against his own country?

    Why would Obama associate with Bill Ayers, a man who bombed Federal Buildings in this country in the late 60’s to early 70’s. Ayers was only acquitted because the Feds screwed up on a search warrant.

    Obama’s association with real estate Mongerel, Tony Rezko. Rezo finally served time in prison for faud. Obama certainly hung around with a lot of the wrong crowd.. I was always told that “Birds of a feather, flock together”.

    Obama has driven up our countries debt to nearly 3.600,000,000,000 dollars within just a little over 2 years in office. He wants to borrow more money.

    At the present time with our country being nearly bankrupt we are still borrowing money from China and giving out foreign to countries that does not like us.

    Look what happened to a prosperous country like Argentina back in 1947, they had leaders similar to Obama and this country went bankrupt. This country is very poor today in account of those Communist, Liberal, Socialist Leaders like Obama.. Folks this can also happen here as well. See this website for more info: I would bet this is what this administration is trying to do here.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPBeXBLaJiI

  • Thinking About

    Seems some should study the Constitution more and they would not worry so much about shariah law sine it would not be allowed under our Constitution. Another item to note, all the accusers of Obama being Markist seem to know a lot about that study perhaps they are of that belief also.

    • Jana

      Thinking (which is doubtful),
      So you would bury your head in the sand and not know what is going on as long as your hero NO SHOW UP FOR WORK OBAMA is at the helm?
      Already Sharia Law is in our banking system. Already most fast food restaurants have to use HALAL meats according to Islamic law. Already in Florida the courts are allowing Sharia Law to take precedence over the Muslims who want it, instead of demanding they follow the laws of the United States Constitution.
      These things are taking place all over the United States. So your premise that we don’t have to worry about Sharia Law since it wouldn’t be allowed under our Constitution has many holes in it.
      Yes, we need to stand up for our Constitution and not be complacent.
      By the way, a smart person studies so they know what their enemies are going to come up with. Your stupid assesment that if someone knows something about it then they are perhaps of that belief also is ridiculous.
      The Bible tells us to be watchmen. A wise man watches and studies so not to be fooled.
      A foolish man buries his head!

      • Wayne937

        I agree with you, Jana. There was a case just a few months ago that was going to be tried in a Florida Court by Sharia Law. I read all about it in the St. Petersburg, Times. I don’t think Thinking knew about that one.

    • DaveH

      “it would not be allowed under our Constitution”? Are you kidding, Thinking About?
      Government hasn’t been obeying the Constitution for well over 150 years.

    • James

      Thinking About, The U.S. Constitution says nothing about which religions are allowed and which are not allowed. Attributing such things to the Constitution only serves to disclose your ignorance of it.

      • James

        I would add, the Founding Fathers were all white Christians, and never dreamed that any religion, other than Christianity, would ever be allowed here. If the Bible said doing something was a sin, it was treated in our laws as a crime or misdemeanor. America was never intended to be anything but a white Christian nation, and our immigration laws so-reflected that.

        • Kate8

          James – They wanted to insure that only those from cultures compatible with ours were allowed to come here.

          You are right. They’d be rolling over in their graves to see all of the peoples we’ve imported by the millions from cultures which are not only not compatible, but are diametrically opposed to ours. Not to mention that many of them are here with the intent to conquer and overthrow.

          We can thank the LBJ administration for this. This was the beginning of the end of the American culture, by design. The intent was to dissolve our Christian nation from with.

          • Kate8

            within.

  • Ronald Johnston

    osama obama is and has always been a terrorist.

  • http://deleted Claire

    In one way or another all of “them” are tossing Grandma over the cliff.

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    Attention:
    COAL ENERGY:

    Read this report.
    DaveH,eddie47d Al sieber,Claire, JeffH JoeH,Bob livington,Karolyn,Time and others.

    Science News
    Self-Cleaning Anodes Could Facilitate Cost-Effective Coal-Powered Fuel Cells
    ScienceDaily (June 22, 2011) — Using barium oxide nanoparticles, researchers have developed a self-cleaning technique that could allow solid oxide fuel cells to be powered directly by coal gas at operating temperatures as low as 750 degrees Celsius. The technique could provide a cleaner and more efficient alternative to conventional power plants for generating electricity from the nation’s vast coal reserves.

    Solid oxide fuel cells can operate on a wide variety of fuels, and use hydrocarbons gases directly — without a separate reformer. The fuel cells rely on anodes made from nickel and a ceramic material known as yttria-stabilized zirconia. Until now, however, carbon-containing fuels such as coal gas or propane could quickly deactivate these Ni-YSZ anodes, clogging them with carbon deposits in a process known as “coking” — especially at lower operating temperatures.

    To counter this problem, researchers have developed a technique for growing barium oxide nanostructures on the anodes. The structures adsorb moisture to initiate a water-based chemical reaction that oxidizes the carbon as it forms, keeping the nickel electrode surfaces clean even when carbon-containing fuels are used at low temperatures.

    “This could ultimately be the cleanest, most efficient and cost-effective way of converting coal into electricity,” said Meilin Liu, a Regents professor in the School of Materials Science and Engineering at the Georgia Institute of Technology. “And by providing an exhaust stream of pure carbon dioxide, this technique could also facilitate carbon sequestration without the separation and purification steps now required for conventional coal-burning power plants.”

    The water-mediated carbon removal technique was reported June 21 in the journal Nature Communications. The research was supported by the U.S. Department of Energy’s Office of Basic Energy Sciences, through the HeteroFoaM Center, an Energy Frontier Research Center. The work also involved researchers from Brookhaven National Laboratory, the New Jersey Institute of Technology and Oak Ridge National Laboratory.

    Conventional coal-fired electric generating facilities capture just a third of the energy available in the fuel they burn. Fuel cells can convert significantly more of the energy, approximately 50 percent. If gas turbines and fuel cells could be combined into hybrid systems, researchers believe they could capture as much as 80 percent of the energy, reducing the amount of coal needed to produce a given amount of energy, potentially cutting carbon emissions.

    But that would only be possible if the fuel cells could run for long periods of time on coal gas, which now deactivates the anodes after as little as 30 minutes of operation.

    The carbon removal system developed by the Georgia Tech-led team uses a vapor deposition process to apply barium oxide nanoparticles to the nickel-YSZ electrode. The particles, which range in size from 10 to 100 nanometers, form “islands” on the nickel that do not block the flow of electrons across the electrode surface.

    When water vapor introduced into the coal gas stream contacts the barium oxide, it is adsorbed and dissociates into protons and hydroxide (OH) ions. The hydroxide ions move to the nickel surface, where they combine with the carbon atoms being deposited there, forming the intermediate COH. The COH then dissociates into carbon monoxide and hydrogen, which are oxidized to power the fuel cell, ultimately producing carbon dioxide and water. About half of the carbon dioxide is then recirculated back to gasify the coal to coal gas to continue the process.

    “We can continuously operate the fuel cell without the problem of carbon deposition,” said Liu, who is also co-director of Georgia Tech’s Center for Innovative Fuel Cell and Battery Technologies.

    The researchers also evaluated the use of propane to power solid oxide fuel cells using the new anode system. Because oxidation of the hydrogen in the propane produces water, no additional water vapor had to be added, and the system operated successfully for a period of time similar to the coal gas system.

    Solid oxide fuel cells operate most efficiently at temperatures above 850 degrees Celsius, and much less carbon is deposited at higher temperatures. However, those operating temperatures require fabrication from special materials that are expensive — and prevent solid oxide fuel cells from being cost-effective for many applications.

    Reducing the operating temperatures is a research goal, because dropping temperatures to 700 or 750 degrees Celsius would allow the use of much less expensive components for interconnects and other important components. However, until development of the self-cleaning process, reducing the operating temperature meant worsening the coking problem.

    “Reducing the operating temperature significantly by eliminating the problem of carbon deposition could make these solid oxide fuel cells economically competitive,” Liu said.

    Fuel cells powered by coal gas still produce carbon dioxide, but in a much purer form than the stack gases leaving traditional coal-fired power plants. That would make capturing the carbon dioxide for sequestration less expensive by eliminating large-scale separation and purification steps, Liu noted.

    The researchers have so far tested their process for a hundred hours, and saw no evidence of carbon build-up. A major challenge ahead is to test the long-term durability of the system for fuel cells that are designed to operate for as long as five years. Researchers must also study the potential impact of possible fuel contaminants on the new electrode.

    Forming the barium oxide structures can be done as part of conventional anode fabrication processes, and would not require additional steps. The anodes produced in the technique are compatible with standard solid oxide fuel cell systems that are already being developed for commercial electricity generation, home power generation and automotive applications.

    “We have started with state-of-the-art technology, and simply modified the surface of the electrode,” said Mingfei Liu, a postdoctoral researcher in the Center. “Because our electrode would be built on existing technology, there is a lower barrier for implementing it in conventional fuel cell systems.”

    In addition to those already mentioned, the research team included Lei Yang, Wentao Qin and Kevin Blinn from Georgia Tech; YongMan Choi and Ping Liu from Brookhaven National Laboratory; Haiyan Chen and Trevor Tyson from the New Jersey Institute of Technology, and Jianming Bai from Oak Ridge National Laboratory.

    • DaveH

      That would be good, Coal Miner, if it indeed works. But all the jaw-boning in the world can’t supplant the efficiency of Free Markets. Get Government and their politics out of our Markets, and the best companies will win. Keep Government in the Marketplace and the companies with the best lobbyists will win.

    • JeffH

      coal miner, very good and I agree with DaveH, keep the government out of it and let the free market perform.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        JeffH and DaveH,

        I think we can use a combinations of hemp,coal,oil,shale,sand oil and other sources to create an almost endless supplies of fuels to run our vehicles.we don’t have to stick one thing.We rely too much on oil as the only source of fuel.Solar and wind power? I doubt it,its like prescribing snake oil to a sick dying cancer patient.Maybe in the future for solar,never windpower.I think that one is really over blowned.

        http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/ddc/Fuel.html

        • JeffH

          coal miner, I agree completely. As Dave said, let the free market work without government intrusion and we would be light years ahead in the alternative energy developement market…wind and solar included. The EPA, USDA Dept. of Energy etc. only hinder our progress to become self sufficient in our energy needs. Unfortunately, government and their partnership with crony capitalism prefer profit and power over the needs of the nation.

  • chuckb

    instead of worrying so much about burning coal, how about natural gas, we have ample supply, we also have more than enough crude oil. in fact we have enough energy to supply all our needs without depending on the world market.

    • Kate8

      chuckb – Leave’s one to wonder if the elites aren’t saving the oil for themselves, after we’re all gone.

      They’ve made statements about us “useless eaters” using up all of the resources. They are moving now to ration its use to us, and to eventually take it away altogether, or allow the meagerest of necessity.

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      chuckb,

      For give me I forgot natural gas,another abundant energy source.Chuckb there is another promising source of fuel,sewer gas and raw seweage,these may also one day be another source of power for our cars in the future.Same type of fuel,but from different sources.

      • chuckb

        coal miner, in my area some years ago a company tried to get a license to turn garbage and waste into power, he had a working plan, it was tested and proved, the city turned him down. the power brokers have fought tooth an nail to keep out these kinds of energy suppliers. they continue to bombast the airwaves with commercials for people to conserve power and yet they keep building more homes and industrial areas. the oil companies keep subsidizing the environmental crowd while they continue to fight nuclear and natural gas, so we are kept in the chains of environmental laws, while the leaders control the flow of cash, by keeping us in a state of chaos concerning our energy, gas and oil.

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    Chuckb and katie8,

    Copyright 2010 PAUL W KINCAID

    Major cities flowing with billions of liters of renewable fuel.
    Feb 21, 2010

    Black water can very easily be converted into a renewable fuel source for every major city around the World. No more expensive drilling for fuel deposits. No more waging wars of aggression to steal control of the last remaining oil and natural gas. No more Exxon Mobil oil spill disasters.

    It is possible for cities to produce their own energy fuel supply as well as be eco friendly. The infrastructure is already there and the fuel is already being pumped through the cities. What is it that will provide cities with fuel and at the same time drastically clean up the environment? The fuel source is free for the taking and is renewable. The answer to a major city’s energy needs is sewage.

    Currently Ontario cities pump billions of liters of untreated sewage into the Great Lakes every year. The main reason for pumping raw sewage into the Great Lakes is a financial reason. Before now cities saw sewage as worthless. It costs $millions to treat sewage and some cities just don’t have the budget to treat all of the sewage. “Millions of Ontarians and their kids, drink, bathe, and eat food grown with Great Lakes water yet cities are to this day pumping billions of liters of “untreated” sewage into them. The answer to the cities needs both for energy and water treatment is treating the sewage as a fuel source.

    How can sewage be used as a fuel source to say generate electricity for use in the cities to power street cars, lights, air conditioners, home appliances and business computers and machines? As unappealing as it may seem sewage can cut greenhouse gases, help cleanup water supplies and add a new source of green and endlessly renewable fuel. Left on its own to decay, waste pumped from septic systems (known as septage) produce methane gas (a powerful greenhouse gas in itself) and carbon dioxide, the most popularized greenhouse gas. The result is steady supply of methane that can be used directly as fuel or mixed with natural gas for pipeline distribution. (Natural gas is mostly methane. The mix is relatively easy.) Septic waste could become a valuable commodity since it could be used to make fuel. If septic waste were channeled away from wastewater treatment facilities those facilities would be left to process only gray water, like dirty dish water.

    Methane Fuel Generation From Human Wastes

    - Anaerobic fermentation or digestion is the most promising process for converting organic materials to methane and other gases.
    - A simple apparatus can be constructed to produce bio-gas.
    - Bio-gas usually contains about 60 to 70 percent methane, 30 to 40 percent carbon dioxide, and other gases.

    Converting organic materials, such as human wastes, to an easily used form of fuel can be accomplished by several methods. The process with the greatest potential is anaerobic fermentation or digestion.

    The extraction of fuel from wastes using anaerobic digestion to produce bio-gas is not new and the general technology is well known. Bio-gas, which is methane and other gases, has been known as swamp gas, sewer gas and fuel gas. Sewage treatment plants generate bio-gas from the sewage sludge as part of the sewage treatment processes. Since sewage treatment is a 24/7 process bio-gas is being produced 24/7 as well. Today though, the bio-gas is not collected and used as a fuel source for the energy needs of the city, it is all vented. Using human waste to produce a renewable fuel source is not rocket science. All you have to know is how the fuel is produced and then you simply make modifications to the sewage processing plants to start producing an unending supply of fuel.

    First off methane is produced by bacteria. The bacteria are anaerobes and operate only in anaerobic environments (no free oxygen). Constant temperature, pH and fresh organic matter promote maximum methane production. Temperatures usually are maintained at approximately 95 degrees F. Other temperatures can be used if held constant. For each 20 degrees F decrease, gas production will be cut approximately one half or will take twice as long. A constant temperature is critical. Temperature variations of as little as 5 degrees F can inhibit the methane-formers enough to cause acid accumulation and possible digester failure.

    Anaerobic digestion is a series of processes in which micro organisms break down biodegradable material in the absence of oxygen and is widely used to treat wastewater. As part of an integrated waste management system, anaerobic digestion reduces the emission of landfill gas into the atmosphere. Anaerobic digestion is widely used as a renewable energy source because the process produces a methane and carbon dioxide rich biogas suitable for energy production helping replace fossil fuels. Also, the nutrient-rich digestate can be used as fertiliser. The digestion process begins with bacterial hydrolysis of the input materials in order to break down insoluble organic polymers such as carbohydrates and make them available for other bacteria. Acidogenic bacteria then convert the sugars and amino acids into carbon dioxide, hydrogen, ammonia, and organic acids. Acetogenic bacteria then convert these resulting organic acids into acetic acid, along with additional ammonia, hydrogen, and carbon dioxide. Methanogens, finally are able to convert these products to methane and carbon dioxide.

    Anaerobic digestion is a two-part process and each part is performed by a specific group of organisms. The first part is the breakdown of complex organic matter (manure) into simple organic compounds by acid-forming bacteria. The second group of microorganisms, the methane-formers, break down the acids into methane and carbon dioxide. In a properly functioning digester, the two groups of bacteria must balance so that the methane-formers use just the acids produced by the acid-formers.

    Anaerobic digestion facilities have been recognised by the United Nations Development Programme as one of the most useful decentralised sources of energy supply, as they are less capital intensive than large power plants.

    A simple apparatus can produce bio-gas. The amount of the gas and the reliability desired have a great influence on the cost and complexity of the system. A simple batch-loaded digester requires an oxygen-free container, relatively constant temperature, a means of collecting gas, and some mixing. Because methane gas is explosive, appropriate safety precautions are needed.

    The solution to 2 very major problems (energy needs and waste treatment) that all cities face is already flowing beneath their streets. The solution is provided by its citizens 24/7 making it the most abundant and endlessly renewable source of fuel. Just redirecting sewage into a digester in urban areas meets the entire Kyoto protocol requirements for North American cities without even considering the natural gas production.

    • Jana

      coal miner,
      Very enlightening posts. Thanks for sharing these wonderful ideas.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Jana,

        You’re welcome.

  • chuckb

    kjate8, they ae not saving it for themselves, they are keeping us in a state of slavery by this constant energy crisis, read coal miners comments about sewage.

    • Kate8

      chuckb – There have been many who have come up with alternative fuel sources, such as what coal miner describes. We know that there is no real energy shortage. After all, EVERYTHING is energy.

      It’s just that the PTB have never allowed anyone to fully develop or market them.

  • chuckb

    coal miner, good article about the sewage.

  • mary

    Any idea how hard O is pushing them to that cliff? Millions are getting letters and being told they must pay higher copays and other fees. Their income doesnt grow–it shrinks as medicare rises. i watch them in stores trying to think if hot dogs,or chicken parts are cheaper. I know some who get by on 410/week for food and it’s getting worse. thrown off a cliff is kinder than what some are facing already.

  • Bob Marshall

    Until last night i though our national parks were owned by the Federal government. Now i find out many are owned by the UN.Also the US in under the UN. Not the US a a part of the UN. We have been sold out.We were warned by kissenger that one day the UN would have troops on our streets.

    • JeffH

      Bob Marshall, I’m not sure where you are getting your information but I can find nothing that indicates the UN owns any private land, federal land or anything else in the US. We most certainly aren’t governed by the UN, although the whole idea of the NWO(one global government) is pushed through th UN.

      FYI, Kissenger is about as trustworthy as Obama, Bush I and II or Clinton.

      • JeffH

        …forgot to add, the US does fund upwards of 70% of the UN.

      • Kate8

        JeffH – You obviously didn’t check out my link up the thread:

        http://theonlyanswertotyranny.com/

        I’m afraid that he is correct on this.

        • JeffH

          Kate8, spooky stuff and I realise what you’re trying to say and I guess to a point a lot of what I just looked at could be argued. In my estimation, I ain’t giving everything up or in to these bast#rds quite yet. Sorry, I’m not ready to toss in the towell, but I’ll keep it all in mind. Like I said, the UN doesn’t own the US yet, maybe the feds, but not us, the sovereign USA.

          FYI…did you hear what Michelle Bachmann had to say about Washington?

          “Washington is a “corrupt paradigm” of government that she’ll change as president.

          “I think it is because of the corrupt paradigm that has become Washington, D.C., whereby votes continually are bought rather than representatives voting the will of their constituents.… That’s the voice that’s been missing at the table in Washington, D.C. — the people’s voice has been missing. The lobbyists have been here,” Bachmann explained.

          “They have their day. The unions are here, they have their day. Big corporations have their day — and I’m not against corporations, I love them. And I’m not against any of those entities, they can have their voice. But why is it that the ones paying the bills, our voice, is seldom heard here? And that’s what this election is going to be about — who gets to be at that table. Will it be the people, or will it be something very different, because Barack Obama is turning this nation into a Third World, socialist nation.”

          “We’re seeing the nation move into decline. I’m not willing to do that. I’m not satisfied. I grew up with John Wayne’s America. I was proud that you grew up in John Wayne’s America: Proud to be an American, thrilled to be a patriot,” Bachmann said.

          This is why I believe we still have some hope left.

          Vote for Bachmann!
          http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/michele-bachmann-cbs-fox/2011/06/26/id/401506?s=al&promo_code=C823-1

          • Kate8

            JeffH – I appreciate your optimism and, like you, I want to believe that there is still hope of saving our nation.

            However, when I see the moves being made by Congress and this administration in implementing things like Agenda 21, which controls everything not already covered by O’care, like land, water and energy, I have to feel somewhat disheartened.

            While I really like Bachmann, I can’t help but doubt whether she can actually do any of the things she says. It takes more than a POTUS…it takes the full cooperation of all branches and agencies. Whether she even believes what she says I have to question, because she is a smart lady. But yes, she is saying the right things to people like us, and would that it were true…

            But also don’t forget what happens to those who buck the system. It is a powerful deterrent, as evidenced by the change of heart conservatives often display once elected.

            Nevertheless, it ain’t over ’til the fat lady sings.

    • Tom Raines

      yes the progressives in both parties are pushing all this stuff ,trying to upset and divide us enough that there will be enough civil unrest and a major uprising so thet can get marshall law envoked and U.N peace keeping troops on our soil and then from there our liberty and our constitution will be forever destroyed.
      this is what the clintons did at waco and ruby ridge and with the little cuban boy in florida,but it didnt work,but the dems have not abandoned the idea.
      hard times are comming because we have a two party dictatorship running this country and only the issues they care about will be fully debated and adressed.
      people you aint seen nothing yet!!!!!!!

  • mary

    Typing is terrible. That’s $10/week. they only get from $236 to $515 a month and the rent comes first at $360 to $415/month. They all get aid from the state,food stamps etc.

  • Tom Raines

    I know this is mainly a conservative website and to disagree with this article,will probably make most think I am a dem or a lib ,but neither is true.
    I disagree with the establishment republicans on two very important issues,thats social-security and free trade agreements and thier allowing our jobs to be sucked out of this country and it being called a global economy and a free market principles.
    But one day the women who are now working and surely any one the age of 55 is a grand parent,this is survival of the fittest practices not a free market principle.
    They agree with major corporations that its alright to flood our markets with products made by slave labor in countries with poor human rights policies,taking all our jobs there and then acting upset because people are drawing unemployment and acting theres no problem because theres no job security and theres a lot of people who have worked all thier lives paying into this system only to have it raided by crooked politicians and used to pay out on all the wasteful projects that they give to thier good ole boys to sppend on research on how some fish swim upstream,
    They have created all these problems by robbing peter to pay paul and now they dont want to pay up.
    This government is so big that you cant tell me that there arent 10,000 places where government can be made smaller getting out of our lives so we can be free again and leave social security ,medicare alone,if they get away with raising the retirement age to 70 now ,they will wait a year or two then say it needs to be 85.
    THier doing this to keep from having to pay back the bonds that they used to get the money out of the system in the past.
    leave it alone the republicans are just letting thier selves be made to look like a bunch of cold hearted crooks and truth be for many of them its not far from the truth.

  • chuckb

    tom raines, you can blame the unions and the environmental agency for most of the problem, you can see what has happened in wisconsin and several other states, once the unions get their tentacles wrapped around the job place they never stop sucking the blood and eventually the employer either succumbs or leaves the country, if it is civil service then the taxpayer takes the hit.
    we have an agreement on the republican party, i no longer register as a republican and stand with the tea party. we can see the charade going on over this budget crisis, boehner and company will raise the debt limit and we will hear all about the great cuts on their spending, if you choose to believe that. the ryan budget is a joke perpetuated by the rino’s, and you will note that almost all the republican nominees have stated they will go along on raising the debt ceiling if cuts are made. the truth is we need the cuts and we don’t need to raise the debt ceiling. raising the ceiling will only guarantee barry another four more years, then our country will be completely destroyed.

  • Jay

    Obama is exposed as a foundation operative and agent of Wall Street finance capital, controlled by Zbigniew Brzezinski, George Soros, and Goldman Sachs. Obama’s mother was an official of the Ford Foundation, the World Bank, and US AID. By all indications, Obama was identified for future political use by Brzezinski at Columbia in 1981-1983, during Obama’s secret lost years. Obama has worked for the Gamaliel Foundation, the Joyce Foundation, the Woods Fund, and the Annenberg Foundation as a community organizer – a poverty pimp, a cynical opportunist who uses suffering people as a political commodity. The foundation strategy is divide and conquer, pitting blacks against whites against Hispanics against Asians, to prevent any challenge to Wall Street. Racist provocateurs like Wright and Pfleger, along with Weatherman terrorist bombers Ayers and Dohrn, Obama’s best friends, are cast in this mold. Rezko, Auchi, and Al-Sammarae represent the cesspool of Chicago graft and corruption in which Obama cavorts. Schooled in Nietzsche and Fanon, Obama qualifies as a postmodern fascist. An Obama administration would strive for brutal economic sacrifice and austerity to finance Wall Street bailouts, and for imperialist confrontation with Russia and China.

    Barack Obama is a deeply troubled personality, the megalomaniac front man for a postmodern coup by the intelligence agencies, using fake polls, mobs of swarming adolescents, super-rich contributors, and orchestrated media hysteria to short-circuit normal politics and seize power.

    Obama comes from the orbit of the Ford Foundation, and has never won public office in a contested election. His guru and controller is Zbigniew Brzezinski, the deranged revanchist and Russia-hater who dominated the catastrophic Carter presidency 30 years ago. All indications are that Brzezinski recruited Obama at Columbia University a quarter century ago. Trilateral Commission co-founder Brzezinski wants a global showdown with Russia and China far more dangerous for the United States than the Bush-Cheney Iraq adventure.

    Obama’s economics are pure Skull & Bones/Chicago school austerity and sacrifice for American working families, all designed to bail out the bankrupt Wall Street elitist financiers who own Obama. Obama’s lemming legions and Kool-Aid cult candidacy hearken back to Italy in 1919-1922, and raise the question of postmodern fascism in the United States today.
    Obama is a recipe for a world tragedy.

    • ron

      So he is not the anti christ which means he moving up the conservative opinion poll. Now tell us about half Gov. Palin Jay. What makes her want to destroy america? Is it because she is just plain evil?

  • Jay

    The US and the world are gripped by a deepening economic depression. There is no recovery and no automatic business cycle which will revive the economy. This bottomless depression will worsen until policies are reformed. The depression results from deregulated and globalized financial speculation, especially the $1.5 quadrillion world derivatives bubble. The US industrial base has been gutted, and the US standard of living has fallen by almost two thirds over the last four decades. We must reverse this trend of speculation, de-industrialization, and immiseration. Current policy bails out bankers, but harms working people, industrial producers, farmers, and small business. We must defend civil society and democratic institutions from the effects of high unemployment and economic breakdown. We therefore demand:

    1. Measures to reduce speculation and minimize the burden of fictitious capital: End all bailouts of banks and financial institutions. Claw back the TARP and other public money given or lent to financiers. Abolish the notion of too big to fail; JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Citibank, Wells Fargo and other Wall Street zombie banks are insolvent and must be seized by the FDIC for chapter 7 liquidation, with derivatives eliminated by triage. Re-institute the Glass-Steagall firewall to separate banks, brokerages, and insurance. Ban credit default swaps and adjustable rate mortgages. To generate revenue and discourage speculation, levy a 1% Tobin tax (securities transfer tax or trading tax) on all financial transactions including derivatives (futures, options, indices, and over the counter derivatives), stocks, bonds, foreign exchange, and commodities, especially program trading, high-frequency trading, and flash trading. Set up a 15% reserve requirement for all OTC derivatives. Use Tobin tax revenue and a revived corporate income tax to provide immediate tax relief to individuals, families, the self-employed, and small business by increasing personal exemptions and standard deductions. Stop all foreclosures on primary residences, businesses, and farms for five years or the duration of the depression, whichever lasts longer. Set a 10% maximum rate of interest on credit cards and payday loans. Re-regulate commodities markets with 100% margin requirements, position limits, and anti-speculation protections for hedgers and end users to prevent oil and gasoline price spikes. Enforce labor laws and anti-trust laws against monopolies and cartels. Restore individual chapter 11.

    2. Measures to nationalize the Federal Reserve, cut federal borrowing, and provide 0% federal credit for production: Seize the Federal Reserve and bring it under the US Treasury as the National Bank of the United States, no longer the preserve of unelected and unaccountable cliques of incompetent and predatory bankers. The size of the money supply, interest rates, and approved types of lending must be determined by public laws passed and debated openly, passed by the congress and signed by the president. Stop US government borrowing from zombie banks and foreigners — let the US government function as its own bank. Reverse current policy by instituting 0% federal LENDING with preferential treatment for tangible physical production and manufacturing of goods and commodities, to include industry, agriculture, construction, mining, energy production, transportation, infrastructure building, public works, and scientific research, but not financial services and speculation. Issue successive tranches of $1 trillion as needed to create 30 million union-wage productive jobs and attain full employment for the first time since 1945, reversing the secular decline in the US standard of living. Provide 0% credit to reconvert idle auto and other plants and re-hire unemployed workers to build modern rail, mass transit, farm tractors, and aerospace equipment, including for export. Extend 0% federal credit for production to small businesses like auto and electronics repair shops, dry cleaners, restaurants, tailors, family farms, taxis, and trucking. Maintain commercial credit for retail stores. Create an unlimited rediscount guarantee by the National Bank for public works projects to provide cash to local banks for bills of exchange pertaining to infrastructure and public works. Repatriate the foreign dollar overhang by encouraging China, Japan, and other dollar holders to place orders for US-made capital goods and modern hospitals. Revive the US Export-Import Bank. Set up a 10% tariff to protect domestic re- industrialization. Nationalize and operate GM, Chrysler, CIT, and other needed but insolvent firms as a permanent public sector. Maintain Amtrak and USPS.

    3. Measures to re-industrialize, build infrastructure, develop science drivers, create jobs, and restore a high-wage economy: state and local governments and special government agencies modeled on the Tennessee Valley Authority will be prime contractors for an ambitious program of infrastructure and public works subcontracted to the private sector. To deal with collapsing US infrastructure, modernize the US electrical grid and provide low-cost energy with 100 fourth generation, pebble bed, high temperature reactors of 1,000 to 2,000 megawatts each. Rebuild the rail system with 50,000 miles of ultra-modern maglev Amtrak rail reaching into every state. Rebuild the entire interstate highway system to 21st century standards. Rebuild drinking water and waste water systems nationwide. Promote canal building and irrigation. For health care, build 1,000 500-bed modern hospitals to meet the minimum Hill-Burton standards of 1946. Train 250,000 doctors over the next decade. The Davis-Bacon Act will mandate union pay scales for all projects. For the farm sector, provide a debt freeze for the duration of the crisis, 0% federal credit for working capital and capital improvements, a ban on foreclosures, and federal price supports at 110% of parity across the board, with farm surpluses being used for a new Food for Peace program to stop world famine and genocide. Working with other interested nations, invest $100 billion each in: biomedical research to cure dread diseases; high energy physics (including lasers) to develop fusion power and beyond; and a multi-decade NASA program of moon-Mars manned exploration, permanent colonization, and industrial production. These science drivers will provide the technological spin-offs to modernize the entire US economy in the same way that the NASA moon shot gave us microchips and computers in the 1960s. These steps will expand and upgrade the national stock of capital goods and enhance the real productivity of US labor. Return the federal budget and foreign trade to surplus in 5 years or less.

    4. Measures to defend and expand the social safety net: Restore all cuts; full funding at improved levels for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, jobless benefits, WIC, Head Start, and related programs. Offer Medicare for All to anyone under 65 who wants it at $100 per person per month, with reduced rates for families, students, and the unemployed. Pay for this with Tobin tax revenues and TARP clawback, and by ending the Iraq and Afghan wars. Seek to raise life expectancy by five years for starters. No rationing or death panels; savings can come only by finding cures. Quickly reach a $15 per hour living wage. Repeal the Taft-Hartley Act and affirm the right to organize. Pass card check to promote collective bargaining.

    5. Measures to re-launch world trade and promote world recovery: Create a new world monetary system including the euro, the yen, the dollar, and the ruble, plus emerging Arab and Latin American regional currencies, with fixed exchange rates and narrow bands of fluctuation enforced by participating governments. Institute clearing and gold settlement among member states. Replace the IMF with a Multilateral Development Bank to finance world trade and infrastructure. The goal of the system must be to re-launch world trade through exports of high-technology capital goods, especially to sub-Saharan Africa, south Asia, and the poorer parts of Latin America. Promote a world Marshall Plan of great projects of world infrastructure, including: a Middle East reconstruction and development program; plans for the Ganges-Bramaputra, Indus, Mekong, Amazon, and Nile-Congo river basins; bridge-tunnel combinations to span the Bering Strait, the Straits of Gibraltar, the Straits of Malacca, the Sicilian narrows, and connect Japan to the Asian mainland; second Panama canal and Kra canals; Eurasian silk road, Cape to Cairo/Dakar to Djibouti, Australian coastal, and Inter-American rail projects, and more. American businesses will receive many of these orders, which means American jobs.

    This program will create 30 million jobs in less than five years. It will end the depression, rebuild the US economy, improve wages and standards of living, re-start productive investment, and attain full employment with increased levels of capital investment per job. Most orders placed under this program will go to US private sector bidders. Because of the vastly increased volume of goods put on the market, inflation will not result.

    Webster Tarpley

  • M.D.

    Your logic is sound except that you conspicuously omit that everyone should pay their fair share. Even the rich. Sorry. Nobody is trying to keep everything at present levels, but the GIVE and take has to come from both sides.

  • Wayne937

    This website is just for a little humor to lighten everyone up. It is so funny:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=EVwlMVYqMu4&vq=medium#t=125

    • Palin12

      Cute!

  • Palin12

    A little off-subject…but this breaking news just in…. Blogojevich guilty on all 17 counts! Share a cell with Ryan, dude! Time for some Dom Perignon (for me, not him)!

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