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To Barack From Congress: Merry Christmas

December 20, 2011 by  

To Barack From Congress: Merry Christmas

The most predictable governing body on the planet, the U.S. Congress, is once again doing some of its sleaziest sleight-of-hand work at year’s end, with the comfort of knowing that we lowly proletarians are focused on holiday festivities. The average American is totally confused about the flurry of year-end legislation and political posturing coming out of the Nation’s capital, and with good reason: Politicians work hard at creating confusion.

Now, let’s see if I understand this. The Dems want to “cut taxes” by extending a “tax holiday” on some of the money that workers pay into the Social Security retirement “fund.” Could it be that Democrats aren’t as liberal as some of us have believed them to be? After all, they can’t be so bad if they actually favor a tax cut.

I wish that were true, but it isn’t. The truth is that it’s nothing more than a gimmick to keep American piglets mesmerized while feeding at the government’s entitlement trough.

I realize that many true-blue conservatives and libertarians believe that any tax cut is a good tax cut; and, in theory, they’re right. But cutting payroll taxes is an illusory tax cut. It’s attacking the symptom (payroll taxes) rather than the cause (Social Security). And, like it or not, for now Social Security is a fact of life in the People’s Republic of America.

That being the case, if not enough money is extracted from workers to pay Social Security benefits to those who currently qualify for them, it has to be taken through an invisible tax (“inflation”) or paid for by politicians’ favorite tax targets: our children and grandchildren (by borrowing the money needed to cover the shortfall).

So far, so bad. Now, to the second part of the year-end razzle-dazzle game: extending unemployment benefits. Has any Republican Congressperson taken the trouble to ask: “What do unemployment benefits have to do with extending the payroll tax cut?”

Will Republicans ever say no to an extension of unemployment benefits? Absolutely, positively not. After all, principles can get in the way of capturing votes. Progressive Republicans in the House and Senate are very convincing when they rail against wealth redistribution in front of the TV cameras. Then, they turn right around and vote for it even more convincingly. The truth be known, Republicans have never met a piece of wealth-redistribution legislation they didn’t like.

Segue to the third piece of Congress’ year-end game of razzle-dazzle: the Keystone XL pipeline, which has absolutely nothing to do with either payroll taxes or unemployment benefits. It’s just more of the same. Spin, twist, obfuscate and lie convincingly enough, and the anesthetized public, too fatigued from Christmas shopping and football, can be counted on to not understand that a hemorrhoidectomy is being performed on them — again.

What the Keystone XL pipeline issue does is give accommodating Republicans the escape hatch they always seek in order to be able to falsely claim victory in their losing efforts against Democrats. After all, how can you not applaud Republicans for agreeing to a bill that gives the illusion of moving forward with an oil pipeline from Canada, a project that promises to create thousands of jobs and help wean America off its dependency on foreign oil?

If that’s what it did, maybe you could forgive Republicans for once again extending unemployment benefits in exchange for getting their way on the Keystone XL pipeline. But that is not what it does. As always, there’s an out for our humble leader in the White House who now claims to be the fourth most effective president in American history (after Lyndon B. Johnson, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln — meaning that Barack Obama believes he’s been a better President than such run-of-the-mill guys as George Washington and Thomas Jefferson).

The out I’m referring to is that the wording in the bill requires Obama to grant a permit for the pipeline unless he decides that it’s “not in the national interest.” Gosh, I wonder what the likelihood is of his deciding it’s not in the “national interest?” Sounds a bit like “that depends upon what the meaning of is is.”

In other words, the legislation merely speeds up the decision process on Keystone, but does not determine whether the project will be approved. And the State Department, which has the final authority over approving the project, has already made it clear that it would not be able to conduct the necessary review if given only 60 days, the timeline set by House Republicans. That sounds to me like “case closed.”

Interestingly, Obama’s former National Security Adviser, Jim Jones — who almost never contradicts his one-time boss — said last week in a press call sponsored by the American Petroleum Institute: “… any threat to this project, by delay or otherwise, would constitute a significant setback. The failure to [move forward with the project] will prolong the risk to our economy and our energy security [and] send the wrong message to job creators.”

Risk to our economy… risk to our energy future… send the wrong message to job creators? Sounds to me like Obama’s Christmas wish list. After all, you can’t expect a mere $4 million Hawaiian vacation to satisfy a highfalutin community organizer of his stature.

–Robert Ringer

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  • Angel Wannabe

    Robert, sleazy?_ you got that right!_and the title of your article couldn’t be more appropriate, since NOW that Congress has been instructed, that they are only allowed to wish they’re constituents “Happy Holidays” and Not “Merry Christmas” in keeping within the PC Police guidelines_the frickin idiots!

    The great game of Politics should be re-branded as “the Great Masquerade”__ the political actors in Washington suck and can’t get much more desperate or transparent, they’d do better with hanging a “Will Work for Food” signs around they’re necks!.
    They’re MO is a 2012 tactical maneuvers, and are merely trying, to win back some of the sheep votes they they lost_”Not I said the pig”!
    They’re all nothing but a bunch of liars!

    MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL POSTERS AND STAFF AT PLD!

    …AND A BIG FAT “MERRY CHRISTMAS” WASHINGTON, LOOK FOR COAL IN YOUR STOCKING THIS YEAR!___OH THATS RIGHT, YOU DON’T CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS!
    HO HO HO !

    • JJ

      I think your prescriptions ready for pickup.

      • FreedomFighter

        Merry Christmas JJ.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • Old Henry

          FF, are we still allowed to say that? You might offend JJ’s delicate sensibilities.

          • vicki

            I don’t know why JJ would want to give us that much power over him/her but if so please JJ come back tomorrow so we can offend your sensibilities some more.

            Till then. Have a Merry Christmas JJ. And a Happy New Year.

            And to all of my friends and acquaintances here may I wish you and yours a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Yes even you who do not agree with me :)

            The above list is meant to include the fine folk with PLD as well :)

        • former walmart person

          As an aetheist who worships the all powerful state, I am extrmeely offended at the mention of merry christmas. Everyone knows that government is God. So what if government is a far worse lord than Satan. So what if government has resulted in the deaths of countless millions of its own citizens throughout the ages. Government is God, and I will continue to worship its blood letting powers.

          • James

            Former Walmart, There is no biblical requirement to celebrate Christ’s birthday, nor is there any evidence that early Christians ever did. In our beginnings here, celebrating Christmas was outlawed. The December 25th holiday, which just followed the Winter Solstice, had been celebrated by sun sunworshippers for centuries. Around 300 AD the Pope held a special Mass, to entice pagans into their church, hence where the term ‘Christmas’ came from. The Bible doesn’t say when Jesus was born, but the most used date is Sepember 23, 2 BC. It couldn’t have been any later than November, because by then the sheep were all put up in folds for the winter. (The sheep were still at pasture when He was born.)

          • ANNE

            FORMER WAL-MART EMPLOYEE: Sam Walton would not be proud that you were an employee, in fact I think he just turned over in his grave. AND THEREFORE I WANT TO WISH YOU A BIG MERRY CHRISTMAS.

          • Angel Wannabe

            OMG, James__ I’m so impressed___NOT!

          • vicki

            Satire people. Satire.

          • donl

            Hey aethiest, just wondering.. if you do not believe in the hereafter is there a void in your life??

          • http://google.com Loyalsoxfan

            Dear Sir, Mr Atheist….please allow me to bring you the correct definition of (atheist)….thanks…..I believe it means the following : ( one who does NOT believe in the existence of God, or the Supreme Being , Higher Power , etc)….In your comment , you acknowledge Satan….very good, cause he is real..a (fallen) angel…it seems as if you believe in Satan, and his reality….you also mention the word ( God)….very good, cause every action HAS an equal, and opposite reaction….It seems you (may) believe in Both God and Satan…..which makes you NOT a true Atheist…..cause “they” do not believe, period….and, lastly, God is UPSET with current government….since Roe vs. Wade (1954) (abortion) the USA has CEASED to be a christian nation…..I am not advocating (anti) nor (pro) abortion, just stating facts here….since this is now a NON-Christian nation, since 1954, it is clear one cannot LINK the LORD to this government, not does He approve of any of it, period….God is NOT == Government…..so, please do a bit of checking, cause you seem to have your (facts) a bit “skewed”….but, you are a good guy, never-the-less….anyone can see you have passion….in closing, may I say ” I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend with my life your RIGHT to say it..” ( Patrick Henry ) When I get perfect , then I guess I will have the right to call you out…..but, I will never be perfect…..and so I just smile….if you ever get to (panhandle) Florida, stop in and I will take you to a (booty-shaking ) church..best churches in the whole world down here…..Merry (**) buddy…..stay safe and cool…..

          • Janet

            @former walmart person: You are so funny! Nothing I get a kick out of more in the morning is a troll trying out their lame hoodwinks. Seriously, you are so blatant in your attempt to rise the ire that I literally laughed out loud and snorted my coffee. :) If your previous attempt at working was as abysmal as your showing here, it’s no wonder you are a “former” walmart person!

            Merry Christmas to you and everyone here!

          • devsadv

            hey, loyalsoxfan–
            talk about ‘skewed facts’… where in the world do you get 1954 for roe vs. wade??? the date of that decision was january 22, 1973. one more thing–NO ONE is “pro abortion”–i see that phrase thrown around an awful lot these days.

          • Ronald R. Johnson

            I see you managed to escape from your keeper again!

        • Aurelio

          James, if you were born somewhere in the Western world, you have been enjoying Christmas with all its components, for now saying that it doesn’t celebrate Jesus’s birth and that it was a pagan holiday, and that’s could be historically correct, but Jesus is a message, a message of love, not a simple story.

          • devsadv

            aurelio, facts are facts. ever wonder how easter got its name?? for the greek fertility goddess oestra (incidentally where the female estrus cycle got its name as well). more proof of pagan roots for christian holidays–what was done by early christians to get more pagans to convert–leave their holidays in place. never curious either as to what bunnies and eggs have to do with the crucifixion/resurrection?? spring, fertility, rebirth.

          • James

            Aurelio, I was just saying that the December 25th holiday was celebrated for centuries before Jesus was born. It was never one of the biblical holidays and there is no evidence that the Apostles or early Christians honored that day, or any other day as Christ’s birthday. I realize most Christians don’t see it that way, but there ae some – Seventh Day Adventists for one – that don’t celebrate Christmas. I grew up in a family that never went to church, never said Grace over a meal or ever mentioned God or the Bible, yet they did celebrate Christmas, and I raised my four childen to do likewise. It wasn’t until I was about 60 years old that I learned the truth of it, and stopped doing it. That certainly doesn’t mean I’m not a believer that Jesus Christ was, and is, the incarnation of Almighty God.

      • Meteorlady

        Double Merry Christmas and my Jesus bless and keep you safe…..

      • Angel Wannabe

        JJ, Sorry to disappoint ya Darlin’ but the only script & cure for America is FREEDOM!

        • Kate8

          You are right, Angel W, and I’m with you on everything you said.

          JJ, on the other hand, seems to need a little help understanding what’s going on in today’s world.

          And a very merry Christmas to you!

          I shall never give my consent to any restrictions on liberty, including free speech. Because laws are only binding by the consent of the governed, and our silence and commpliance are seen as implied consent.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Merry Christmas kate__as I said to Jeffh, it’s good to see some of the good old familar folks back on PLD! :)

            ….and just for the record, while Washington may not be going by the Constitution anymore, I STILL AM TOO!

          • vicki

            The Constitution is still the supreme law of the land. I learned how to read before the redefinition of ‘is’ (Thanks Bill) so I do not have quite as much trouble understanding it as some of the liberals we all know and love to debate.

            I swore allegiance to the Republic for which the Constitution is the law. It is to the Constitution and that Republic that I owe allegiance.

            There is only one higher power to which I have already pledged allegiance to. The religious amongst you know Him. I do not fear any conflict between Him and the Constitution because it is clear from knowing Him and reading the Constitution that it is based directly on His law.

            No matter what you believe you must logically observe that you were created. Your Creator gave you life. I assert that your Creator also gave you free will. How you use those 2 gifts and how you honor those gifts in others is how you will be judged.

            There is nothing in the Constitution that goes against this principle.

          • JeffH

            Hear Hear!

          • Joe H.

            Angel Wannabe,
            Those are very much, words of wisdom!!!! Merry Christmas and a safe and happy New Year!!!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Hear Hear vicki, ditto Jeffh, and Merry Christmas to you too Joeh & everyone! :)

    • ALL AMERICAN

      MERRY CHRISTMAS WASHINGTON, AND WE’LL BE SENDING YOU A BIIIG BAG OF COAL FROM THE WONDERFUL COAL MINING WORKERS YOU WACKO ENVIRONMENTALISTS PUT OUT OF WORK.
      MERRY CHRISTMAS YOU JERKS !!!

    • RockyRoad

      Merry Christmas ALL! : )

  • Karolyn

    Latest polls this morning show Republicans in Congress at 20% approval and Obama up to 49%.

    • Realist

      Republicans in congress + POTUS = marriage made in heaven.
      Tax cuts! Then waste the rest! A bi-partisan blunder that
      keeps on giving! Happy Happy y’all. I’m so thrilled that
      I don’t know whether to wind my butt or scratch my watch.

    • Bogusbob

      Who ran that poll?? Probably the daily kos or the huffpost.

      • http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/government/to-barack-from-congress-merry-christmas/?eiid&replytocom=680945#respond William L Collins

        I would just be happy if Obama the dems, and repubs and the federal reserve just payed the money they stole from S.S. and keep there hands off it the way it was first set up there was no way it would never go broke there was more mony stole from S.S. in the last eleven years with G.W.,Polosie, Reaid,Obama addminastration,and now Bohner wants to get his hands on it. and who ever took the polls for Obama should take a honest poll and quiet pushing the polls Obama should be no higher then 10% in any poll they take if Obama is 49% Ron Paul should be 51%

        • VIC

          PEOPLE – RUSH JUST SAID THIS MORNING – DON’T BELIEVE THE POLLS AND THE MEDIA IS GOING TO BOMBARD US WITH HOGWASH IN THE NEXT 11 MONTHS. BE READY

          • Karolyn

            OMG! RUSH said? Well then we’d better all listen!

          • ALL AMERICAN

            I agree with you Vic.
            Don’t believe the Media-Hype.

          • Chris

            I wouldn’t believe that fat-assed blowhard

          • JTB

            especially if their from msnbc, cnn, abc, cbs or nbc don’t believe any of them. they’ll do all they can to make obama look good! Gag me with a spoon!

        • Curtis Bostic

          RON PAUL ALL THE WAY!

        • ANNE

          You are dreaming, but it is nice to dream once in a while, seeing as how that is about all we have left. These scum bags that call themselves our representatives are doing nothing, at least they could return the money they stole from Social Security, maybe then we the voters could see our way to keeping them in office, but I don’t think so, they have screwed us over one too many times.

        • Joe H.

          william & Vic,
          There was a poll today that said that the leader in Iowa is RON PAUL!!! There is also a very good chance he will win there as well!!!

      • skip

        I would presume someone very objective. Anyone who would vote for any House Republican has to be whacko – those guys are owned lock, stock, barrel, and sidearm by the Wall Street lobbyists -and perhaps a few other strong lobbies. This nation hasn’t seen such hate in a couple of centuries. None of them should be re-elected – send them to Leavenworth. We have at least three louses in my state, and I mean louses (or lice!)

        • OldNYFirefighter

          We need a tsunami in DC & soon, before they can leave! One in Hawaii would be a big help as well.

    • 1minuteman

      polls are as reliable as progressive politicians. we elected quite a few good people in last nov. we just have to keep awake and elect more of those who believe in the constitution and the real america and eventually we will have the congress we can be proud of. there ha been only one election since obama took office and you cannot change congress in one election. keep the faith and do not trust polls.

    • Joey Biden

      So that must mean 51% of the people dislike the Scammer-in-Chief. Hmmmm. More than half the people can see the truth at least.

      • http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/government/to-barack-from-congress-merry-christmas/?eiid&replytocom=680945#respond William L Collins

        you better belive it RON PAUL

      • Aurelio

        Who how these pollster choose their groups, is anybody there to certify it? On the other hand, I think that many people answering that call say they like Obama for fear of being tagged a racist. There is ample evidence that members of the Democratic Party privately are riling against his majesty the Community Organizer. The Clintons are waiting in the dark, waiting to win back the party after an Obama’s debacle. Remember that during the primaries, Hillary Clinton won every large state; do you believe that her supporters are behind Hussein three years after her execution?

    • Old Henry

      Just a couple of weeks prior to the 1980 election polls had Carter beating Ronald Reagan.

      Most of us know how that one turned out. As is oft stated, the only poll that counts is the one on election day.

      • vicki

        And that one depends on who is doing the counting. :)

    • ALL AMERICAN

      Your polls are bogus Karolyn.
      Why don’t you go hang out with your cappucino buddy Eddie.
      Take your trashy pinko talk far far away.

      • Karolyn

        All I did was report what I saw with no comment. Why the trash talk?

      • Karolyn

        And what’s wrong with capuccino? Are you anti-Italian too? :-)

        • Joe H.

          Karolyn,
          Where did he say that there was ABYTHING wrong with cappuccino? Reading things into peoples words is not your usual holier than thou!!!

      • eddie47d

        That is what “All Americans” do is trash talk about others and they prove it everyday.They are either shallow or desperate.

    • JeffH

      Tuesday, December 20, 2011 – The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 21% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Thirty-nine percent (39%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -18.

      Overall, 47% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president’s job performance. Fifty-one percent (51%) at least somewhat disapprove.
      http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

      • Joe H.

        JeffH,
        And if it’s like most polls 55% are undecided?? Let’s see, 51% + 55% = 106%??? LOL!!

    • KHM

      @ Karolyn,
      We can always count on you to give the Dem party line. Or are you being sarcastic?
      Polls show that opinion of ALL Congress members is at about 13% approval, an all time low.
      I think that the 49 % approval polls for zero were all done by and among his supporters! :-)
      Regarding this article, I don’t trust either party as each wants to keep the status quo or gain power. Repubs don;t come out against unemployment benefit extensions because they’ll be accused of lack of compassion. Historically it has been proven that if you have less benefits, for a shorter time, there is more motivation to go find work.
      This country is broke, and cannot keep “kicking the can down the road”.

      • Karolyn

        Hey, I just reported something I heard on the news this morning. I do not follow any party line.

        • vicki

          If you actually provided a link instead of just saying what you read, you wouldn’t find so many yelling at you. Of course there is always the risk that they might find out why the poll you read was in error.

        • Karolyn

          Give me a freakin’ break! I saw it on the news this morning!

          • Joe H.

            Which news, karolyn? What time? If it was stated on a broadcast news, there will be a way to check it!!!

          • eddie47d

            We never have to worry about Joe presenting facts because there never is any to begin with. I hear he is good at trolling though!

          • Joe H.

            No, eddie,
            unlike YOU, I’m not lazy and WORK for a living and that’s why I’m not on here during the day!!! I know you are allergic to the word “work” and consider it a foul four letter word, but some of us actually enjoy working!!

          • Vicki

            eddie47d says:
            “We never have to worry about Joe presenting facts because there never is any to begin with.”

            That was rather Joe’s point. Liberals never present facts. They present assertions of their emotional opinions and do not provide any evidence that could lead the reader to determine that there were any facts associated with that opinion.

      • skip

        No proof of that at all – that is absolute nonsense. Most people in this nation want to work and will work, but the airfare to China to our factories there is a bit much. As long as the greed-driven CEOs of our major manufacturers drive jobs overseas, there are no jobs here. Farm jobs, of course, but us descendants of the major European emigration won’t take them, so you are correct there. Look what happened in Alabama. But as long as the jobs aren’t provided, and spending cuts and tax cuts will not provide them right now, and the trillions of dollars in the accounts of American businesses are not invested in THIS country, there will be no jobs created. And well intended workers will go unemployed and with little to live on and no health care. Is that what you want for America? You 99%ers had better wake up, quit spending your time hating and raging, have some degree of caring for your fellow man, and ask the Greeders to pay their share and care a bit.

    • Marlene

      that you personally took? It certainly doesn’t come anywhere near the numbers I’ve been reading that put your hero closer to the bottom of the barrel. I take it that you’re daydreaming again while sipping Kool-aid.

      • Marlene

        That should have read: Is that a poll that you personally took?

    • RockyRoad

      POLLS? LOL They can be manipulated to show anything you want.

  • terry

    Those of us who have worked for many years and contributed to the social security fund every pay check have a right to the benefits. If the gov. wants to write me a check for every penny I have paid in with interest, of course, that is fine with me. Otherwise, you and every other person who wants to steal the money I have paid in can go you know where. Stop your retoric against social security and do what needs to be done about welfare and illegal immigrants and the budget will soon be balanced.

    • Dan Lagueux

      Dead on Terry, dead on.

    • Fed UP

      Amen!! I coundn’t agree more!!

    • Vagabond

      terry doncha know we the people who worked and paid into the social security fund are the least deserving? we’r the pigs at the trough. now you take the dead beats loafers and dopeheads and wellfare recipients those are the ones who are worthy of all they get. no matter the fact they didn’t pay a damned dime into the system. and in many cases they just jumped the border qualifying them instantly for more in wellfare than I get in social security. but you see they become instant democratic voters,

      • Karolyn

        Contrary to what you believe, undocumented immigrants cannot collect welfare.
        http://blog.chron.com/immigration/2008/01/illegal-immigrants-on-welfare-fact-or-fiction/

        • Wyatt

          If that is so Karolyn , Then why are threr so many illegals collecting welfare ? Explain that if you would . In theory you may have a case but in actual practice its quite another story ,
          And for those who chose to call Social Security an entitlement , the only way that applies if you look aqt it as ” I paid into it for a very long time , yes I am entitled to it !” . For Washington to take it from my pay each week and then try to tell me that it may have to be cut because they used the money else where . Its bad enough that what was paid in does not provide enough in todays economy .
          Our leaders in Washington seem to think nothing of using what for some is the only retirement fund they have for their pet projects . We the ordinary citizens of the US do not receive inside opportunity to buy stocks at discount rates in return for our support as Pelosi and many others in Washington have and make huge profits in just a few weeks . Washington needs a good house cleaning and a message sent that Americans are fed up .

          • Old Henry

            Wyatt:

            You are right on the money. Thank you for saying it.

            I have noticed that Libaugh no longer lumps our SS in with the entitlement lingo. Ealier this year I got fed up with it and fired off several emails over the course of several weeks and I’m guessing I was not alone.

          • Joe H.

            O.H.,
            I guess that you missed the caller that called in and gave him heck about that! He gave rush a very detailed report on how much he had “donated” to social security and invested at an average of, I believe 5% how much he would have had if he had invested the same amount. rush hasn’t lumped ss into the “entitlements” since!!

          • DD

            Not only the money you & I put in was stolen by our government. Our employers matched our deductions, so we should have had twice as much as we put in.

            While I’m not a Perry fan, he was dead on when he called what now passes for SS as a Ponzi Scheme, run by the government.

        • bill

          They do collect it for their anchors.

          • Old Henry

            Too bad we can’t fasent a chain to those anchors.

        • GrayStroke

          Seriously??? Stop on in here into our local HEB grocery store and listen to the third world language of at least three spanish dialects using the Texas Lone Star (that’s a Texas tax robbing debit card for you libs) to buy beer, smokes, rib eyes, T-bones and the the best of what my tax dollars can buy. You suckers keep believing the “official” government study…..

          • Old Henry

            Well Gray Stroke, if it’s like that in TEXAS then we are indeed screwed.

            I had been toying for several years with the possibility of moving to TX, maybe the foothills, but it sounds like it may be just as bad down there as it is here in The Land of Stincoln.

        • Walter

          What planet are you from karolyn ????

          • DJ

            Karolyn is trying to earn her Soros Jesse Lee Obama “paycheck” by telling lies on all the sites that don’t agree with the community organizer that conned his way into the White House. Shes only fooling herself.

          • Joe H.

            DJ,
            Now, now!! Karolyn doesn’t agree with everything that Abummer says or does. Unless of course, if he says, talks, or acts on it!!! she doesn’t approve of all Abummer does………UN LESS IT IS THE DIAMETRIC OPPOSITE OF THE CONSERVATIVES!!!

        • gordon

          karolyn you are one stupid liberal idiot if you believe that if you get your head out of obuttmas ass you might be able see that

        • DowgyCO

          Illegal aliens now quite possibly can call a toll free government number, 1-800-259-0957, to get a free “Obama Phone.” The program, conventionally known as Safe Link Wireless, is available to those are on food stamps or Medicaid. Applying for work permits that give them drivers’ licenses provides illegals proof of identity. With that, they enter America’s entitlement class and even become enabled to vote in our elections — for Democrats, of course.

          The Obama administration has set up a cascading series events, beginning back in August when deportation of tens of thousands of illegal immigrants was suspended, pending reviews. “A review of about 300,000 deportation cases currently before the immigration courts,” will be done by the DOJ and Homeland Security to “halt deportations of longtime residents with clean police records who came here illegally when they were children,” according to a New York Timesarticle.

          • Karolyn

            Undocumented workers have been leaving the country in record numbers for a while now. Here’s one report:
            http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2797060/posts

          • Old Henry

            Dowgy:

            A “clean police record” for an illegal is an oxymoron. They are all criminals / burglars / trespassors by the very fact that they are in OUR country.

          • DJ

            Leaving the country in record numbers now? Then explain the fake DHS stats that your organization also uses to say they have “deported” record numbers? One lie simply does not go well with the other dear propagandist.

          • ALL AMERICAN

            I live in CA, and through sources I will not disclose for their protection working in local govt, there are in fact many illegals receiving welfare. Put that in your crackpipe and smoke it Karolyn.

          • Joe H.

            DowgyCO,
            Yes, that program is called ET PHONE HOME!!!!!!

        • http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/government/to-barack-from-congress-merry-christmas/?eiid&replytocom=680945#respond William L Collins

          Karolyn been hood winked by the Obama addminastration Obamas aunt & uncle draws more money from S.S. along with all the illegale people on that has never payed one penny in to it

          • Karolyn

            Can you cite that info? Or is this more rumor?

          • Meteorlady
          • OldNYFirefighter

            Karolyn, Obama’s Aunt was on an interview on TV & made the comment that she was taking advantage of our welfare system & didn’t feel bad about it. She didn’t care if it was paid for by other people because that was how America made the system. She lives in Public Housing in Boston & her rent is paid for by taxpayers & she also gets SS. The Program it was on, I don’t remember, but it was on ABC, NBC or CBS earlier this summer. She is still here & hasn’t been deported & since she is a relative of Obama, will be exempted from our Laws.

        • Meteorlady

          So why did they just pick up 8 in my small community for welfare fraud? You are very naive if you believe that. They have the best false documents ever and that’s the reason I don’t hire Mexicans anymore. I can’t prove if they are legal or not. Meanwhile eVerify gets stalled all the time.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Meteorlady__my husband use to work at a place years ago, which I won’t disclose, where the federales’, use to walk in the front door and the illegals ran out the back!

        • Joanne

          You are right the illegals can’t collecy welfare but all of their American born progenee can .. they are producing a lot of those .. whom “We the People” support .. There has got to be a better way .. get out and vote folks it’s our country and we need to protect it ..
          GOD Bless America .. Let Freedom ring

          • Karolyn

            So we should just let the children suffer for the “sins” of the parents?

          • DJ

            IF the parents were kicked out promptly in the first place, as the LAW requires, there wouldn’t be millions of anchor babies- plus when they come here just to drop anchor babies as a fraud to gain the right to stay they are defrauding the American taxpayer and not only should be deported they should be made to do prison time on chain gangs until they pay back their debt. Then we can build all that infrastructure that Liberal fake democrats want to crow about so much, but aha! not with their UNION bedpal vote buyers getting the work.

          • DaveH

            Nobody has a right to ride on the backs of unwilling carriers, illegal or legal.

          • Joe H.

            Joanne,
            If they would read the 14th the way it was MEANT, there wouldn’t be anything called “anchor babies”!!!! Send them ALL back to their home country!!! I don’t care what nationality they are, what color their skin is, or what their religeous belief is!!! If they are illegal, they gotta GO!!!

        • CLYDE CROW JR

          I AGREE WITH WYATT HE IS 100% RIGHT. I BEEN HERE ALL MY LIFE AND CANNOT GET AFFORDABLE DENTAL INSURANCE, ALL THESE MINORITES AND PEOPLE THAT ARE ILLEGAL ALIENS HERE CAN GET BETTER INSURANCE, AND NOT TO MENTION BRAND NEW CARS JUST HANDED TO THEM WITH YOU PAYING A CENT DOWN. SOMETHING IS SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH AMERICA.MICHELE BACHMEN FOR 2012 PRESIDENT.

          • Joe H.

            CLYDE CROW JR,
            Bachman is anti American freedom!!! She voted to extend part of the unpatriot act!!! RON PAUL/ANDREW NAPOLITANO 2012!!!!

        • DJ

          Illegals bilked taxpayers for 4.2 billion in 2010 here:

          http://conservativedailynews.com/2011/09/illegals-bilked-taxpayers-for-4-2b-last-year-by-exploiting-tax-code/

          And 17 billion a year to house and feed anchor babies here:
          http://www.illegalimmigrationstatistics.org/the-skyrocketing-cost-of-illegal-immigration/#more-233

          And then we have hundreds of billions of dollars to illegals for WIC coupons, food stamps, rent subsidies and medicaid payments here:
          http://www.cis.org/node/54

          Calling welfare programs such cutsey names as “food assistance” and “rent subsidies” does not make them any less disgusting wehn we see illegals sucking up resources that would go to poor AMERICAN families!

        • JeffH

          Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect Welfare – Census Bureau​ data reveals that most U.S. families headed by illegal immigrants use taxpayer-funded welfare programs on behalf of their American-born anchor babies. Even before the recession, immigrant households with children used welfare programs at consistently higher rates than natives, according to the extensive census data collected and analyzed by a nonpartisanWashington D.C. group dedicated to researching legal and illegal immigration in the U.S.
          http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/04/most-illegal-immigrant-families-collect-welfare/

        • OldNYFirefighter

          Absolute Bull $hit. For one thing Obama gave anyone over 65 SS illegal or not. They also get free medical because they can’t be refused medical treatment if they go to any Emergency Room – which is where most go. I was an EMT, so don’t tell me thay don’t get free treatment, as I know better. Single Mother’s illegal or otherwise can get welfare & in most cases do. Their children are eligible to receive more than a Citizen mother’s children. I used to see it all of the time, so I know it to be true.

    • DaveH

      It’s worse than that, Terry, because, due to inflation, the buying power of the money taken 20 or 30 or 40 years ago is now worth much less. So even if they paid us the nominal dollars they took + interest, we still wouldn’t break even.

    • Brian

      But you failed to understand, that money has already been stolen for the purpose of many of the programs that many endorsed… I guess you never paid attention to President Reagan or to Ross Perot when they each told us about SS insolvency or if we allowed the NAFTA and GATT that our jobs and futures would go away like a giant sucking sound…

      I was forced to pay into a socialist program too, but I`ve never planned on receiving a dime of it in return as those who have already been collecting have received more than they ever paid into it, then there was welfare and medicare and then food stamps and then medicaid and everything under the sun that came out of it… Are you really still under the illusion that this can continue???

      • DaveH

        Social Security was wrong from the outset.
        It was Immoral because nobody has a right to take our money away for our own good. No matter how they rationalize it, forceful taking is just theft.
        It was wrong economically because we can never expect government employees (whether politicians or bureaucrats) to invest our money as wisely as we would invest our own. Why should they? They aren’t held accountable for its failure. What have they got to lose? It has been worse than a Ponzi Scheme for most of its existence. Why worse? Because it not only is a pay-as-you-go system (current revenues go straight to current recipients), but we are Forced to participate. Nobody forces people to participate in those investments normally considered to be Ponzi Schemes.
        Having said that, should the current recipients be stiffed? Absolutely not, they had no choice when their money was stolen. Should the current premium payers be Forced to pay into a system for which they likely will not see returns? No, that isn’t right either. What a web we weave when we first practice Socialism.
        There is still a solution, but I have only once seen anybody offer that solution other than myself. But even that solution will be unworkable if we don’t stop the runaway Spending Train that is Big Government. Big Government has tremendous assets that they are sitting on. They could eliminate Trillions of dollars of spending and have a surplus coming in which could be used to continue their properly due SS payments to those who had no choice but to join the system. They can stop Forcing people to be part of the Bankrupt system. They can then sell off some of those tremendous assets they have (like ownership of 30% of our properties, etc.). It is possible, but can it happen? Only if we the people make it happen, because the Government Gang isn’t going to willingly give up its Power and Assets.
        There is only one Political Party with the Principles to get our Country’s ship pointed back in the right direction — that of Prosperity and Freedom:
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

        • DavidL

          DaveH

          Please let us know if you, out of principle, refuse to take Social Security and Medicare when you become age eligible.

          What happens, as with most people, if Social Security is privatized and all retirement savings are lost in the stock market as many people suffered in 2008? There is no way “we the people” are we going to say to people that they’re out of luck, starve. The bottom line will be that it will end up costing us more to take care of these people just like we are taking care of people who don’t pay for their own health insurance and pass the bill to you and me.

          • DaveH

            Why would I refuse to take what I paid in for? That question is the typical Liberal non sequitur.
            I don’t believe Social Security should be privatized. I believe it should be Abolished, unless people want to voluntarily submit their money to be mismanaged by Big Government.
            What happens when Social Security (the Ponzi Scheme) can no longer be supported in its current hand-to-mouth way? Such as when the economy remains permanently bad because Progressives are taking us down that pathway to becoming a third-world nation. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
            There are many dangers in life, but few are as certain as Big Government impoverishment of a nation. See here for real-world proof of that immutable fact:
            http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
            As Government Grows, Corruption Flows.
            And I believe this statement of yours is correct, David — “There is no way “we the people” are we going to say to people that they’re out of luck, starve.”
            We the people are generous, especially when we are prosperous. But generosity is that which is funded with our own money and time. It’s call THEFT when we donate other peoples’ money (against their will).

            Right now, in fact, Social Security recipients are being ripped off because their relatively fixed income (due to COL lies) is being slowly eroded by inflation. That comes at the hands of the very same Liberals who say they care, but have no problem Spending and Inflating peoples’ cash assets into worthlessness, including our Children and Grandchildren who didn’t even get a vote in the matter.

          • DaveH

            Let me ask you a question, DavidL. Let’s assume that you were a very good investor. Would you think it proper to go over to your neighbor’s house and demand that he turn over 14% of his income to you because you know best how to protect his future from himself? If yes, do you think you could get away with it?
            Yet, you have no problem entering a voting booth and doing that very same thing by electing Politicians who are forcing that very same thing on your neighbor, and they have even Proven to be lousy managers of his money.
            Read this, DavidL, it applies to you:
            http://mises.org/daily/4125

          • vicki

            DavidL writes:
            “if Social Security is privatized and all retirement savings are lost in the stock market as many people suffered in 2008?”

            Oh. Gee. That’s a hard one. 50% loss vs 100% loss when they run out of other peoples money to pay.

            And that doesn’t include the fact that private investing from the ss inception to 2008 would have yielded a REALLY BIG profit to have only 50% left.

            And that is just using the Dow Jones index.
            1937 – 180. (first payments into SS began 1937)
            2008hi – 12800
            2008lo – 8400.
            2009 – 6800. (lowest number I could find near 2008)

            and today 12000. Looks a whole lot nicer that the $00 from the government.
            http://stockcharts.com/freecharts/historical/djia1900.html

            The 50% figure comes from an approximation of the theoretical losses between the high in 2008 and the low.

          • Joe H.

            DavidL,
            In 1990, it was reported that had the government left the excess of social security alone from its inception, there would have been something like a 300 BILLION excess in social security in 1990!!! Even with our economy the way it is NOw it would have been solvent for another twenty years EASY!!! Governmental greed has banckrupted the assets from social security!!!

        • Old Henry

          Soooo DaveH, I guess that means we have run out of OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY…

        • Old Henry

          DavidL:

          How ’bout you give me, sayyy $200,000, to hold for you for safekeeping. I will keep it for, say 30 years AND I will of course pay you interest. In 30 years I will undoubtedly need that money so I am sure you will let me keep it. Right?

    • FJ

      i like ron paul’s idea: let anyone 25 and under at this point opt-out and wean everyone off it. look at any decent analysis of SS vs. private plans and you’ll see you’re much better off investing the money yourself.

      • DaveH

        I agree.

      • Aurelio

        Provided that the market doesn’t crash, nor that the economy goes to hell.

        • DaveH

          Where does Government get the money if the “economy goes to hell”?

    • http://yahoo don

      why do thhey call it entitlements like they are paying for social security that the sd government is paying. i’ve been paying toward it since 1969. the government used to rob it calling it a surplus. there have been all us hundreds of millions of workers paying in since it started. most of us who payed are still alive and its almost gone because of our governments crime of theft. they called it borrowed. i bet its not even under the national debt. probly never to be seen again and lost. i’m 60 yrs.old an i’d almost bet by the time i die the check will quit coming. what do we have then. mass starvation and poverty like afica because of no money. if we get government money then i’d call it an entitlement. the great social security theft will never be paid back. probly more trillions of $’s.

      • Old Henry

        don:

        They call it an entitlement in an attempt to belittle the program and make it appear as welfare.

  • chuck miller

    isn’t coal considered illegal by the EPA..just saying

    • Dan Lagueux

      maybe the EPA should be considered illegal!!

      • Vagabond

        a great big AMEN to that Dan. better yet they should be discontinued, remember hitler made the Jews wear stars? well those in the epa should have to wear a large badge identyfying them as such and they should have to pay 200 dollars a gallon for any and all petroleum products they consume,

        • Old Henry

          Vagabond:

          Rather than a badge, how about a Bull’s Eye?

      • Pepper

        Oh no, the EPA will be given MORE power by our wonderful treasonous congress and Dictator in Chief to be the the UN’s little business gestapo and money extractor. They are already stealing and shutting projects down unless you pay them extortion moneys. But this is all for your good and safety. From the same people that bring you TSA, NDAA, DHS, Camp Fema and the new and improved internet kill switch just in time for Christmas! Waiting for elections may be too late, we need to arrest and impeach all of the traitors from both parties.

        • ALL AMERICAN

          Arrest and charge all Ovomit’s cabinet and persons helping him.

  • http://yahoo David

    So the tax cut gets shifted to mortagaes surcharge to further depress the Real Estste recovery? Typical Shell and Pea again??

  • Insurgent

    Washington, DC is America’s cesspool for liars, whores, and thieves!

    • bill

      I’m not so sure, I believe liars, thieves and whores are a lot better class of people then politicians

      • vicki

        True. At least thieves admit they are stealing from you.

      • Joe H.

        bill,
        I’d call them Gypsies, tramps and theives, but I have nothing against Gypsies or tramps!!! I wouldn’t want to insult either one!!!

  • AJ

    Here’s a Christmas Gift for Obama and his puppet masters:
    http://vimeo.com/32929776
    Thrive baby thrive!

    • Pepper

      AJ, Thanks for posting this. Great Movie! Puts everything into prospective. Recommended for all that know something is wrong, but don’t know why or how are we going to change it.

    • Karolyn

      Thanks AJ. I had donwloaded this movie but not had a chance yet to view it. There are many who need to see this and other videos like it to wake up and really see what is going on! Many people do not believe there is life anywhere else. What arrogance! Here’s the link to the Thrive Movement
      http://www.thrivemovement.com/

      • DaveH

        Why do I get the feeling that their path to Freedom involves Force?

        • Karolyn

          I don’t know. Why do you?

          • DaveH

            Because Liberal agendas, being unsustainable in Free Societies, must always be implemented by Force.

    • DaveH

      My antenna always goes up when I hear sweet music and smooth-talking people. Most likely they want something from me.
      Breaking down Thrive:
      http://www.robertphoenix.com/content/?p=4265

      • Karolyn

        Thanks for that, Dave. Interesting but not necessarily an indictment.

      • JeffH

        DaveH, here in Fresno we have a new radio add being broadcast by PRK Arms and they’ve taken a lesson from the anti-gun groups and created a great commercial that’s been recieving some national attention. These guys are a smart, saavy bunch that knows the California gun laws inside and out and are using them to their full advantage. After this add their sales increased by over thiry percent.
        The first time I heard it I expected it to be just another anti-gun PETA/Humanr Society type of bleeding heart add…I smile whenever I hear it and look forward to doing business with them.

        …the Calif. Gun Ad That Sounds Like a Puppy Adoption Commercial?
        http://www.theblaze.com/stories/have-you-heard-the-calif-gun-ad-that-sounds-like-a-puppy-adoption-commercial/

        • DaveH

          The streets must be flooding with Liberal tears.

          • JeffH

            Yeah, with their decision making based “mostly” on emotions… :)

        • Vicki

          what a great commercial.

    • Old Henry

      AJ:

      Thank you for the link. As long as the presentation was it was quite interesting. A lot of food for thought – some new, some re-enforced. I do have some problem with their “solution” as it seems to focus on man and overlook God, but it does help get the word out there in a digestable way.

      A hard watch for an old guy with ARADD (AGE Relatated Attention Deficit Disorder) HA!

      I do intend to pass the link around, however.

  • fiscalsoundbiteme

    We the Sheeple get to bend over and take it all in….AGAIN!

  • skyraider 6

    Let’s vote them all OUT.

    • Pepper

      Arrest, Impeach and charge them with Treason!

  • Terry

    The biggest entitlement, probably in the history of the world, is interest on the national debt which is given, like welfare, to the super rich, to foundations with no strings attached. This creates a huge cash flow for the holders of this “soverign” debt and some of it flows into DC politics to fund campaigns for both parties.

    What has a central bank, the fed res, not a govt agency, done for this nation? As I see it all it has done is privitize a portion of the taxing power of the govt. The govt collects taxes and then turns the entitlement portion over to private entities. What a sweetheart deal. If instead of paying all this interest to unknown sources the same amount of dollars was used to rebuild say our infrastructure, mass transit in cities to slash our consumption of oil which by doing so we maybe denying reasonably priced and plentiful enegy for our children, grandchildren, etc..

    Folks we are trapped in a web of the religion of consumption that has been created by the ownership of the fed govt by the banking cartel/empire. AKA the fed res. And in recent years we even provide cash to places like iran and other islamic countries and who use it, not to improve the lot of their citizens, but to wage political warfare around the globe disguised as a Trojan Horse called religion. Or provide our dollars to China which uses them to buy up strategic resources. None of these nations buys trinkets and baubles. Instead they watch out for their nation. I ask. What would islam and China do if they had to use their own money to trade with, to buy arms from russia/china with? Would the world accept their money? I doubt it. And how much longer can we continue on our current path? Another 235 years? I doubt it!

    • Pepper

      Yes I agree. We need to end the Fed, stop redistribution of wealth (from our sweat to their Fortresses)End their endless wars and assaults on humanity from which they make billions on both sides. Impeach our bought and paid for politicians and Charge them with Treason. The corruption is being exposed from all angles and is hard to keep track of because there is So much. Investigate and Charge those responsible for “Fast and Furious”(assault on 2nd amendment fraud), MF Global “Where’s the Money Corzine (banking fraud)” and the DHS “we need to grope your children and granny” or radiate you for your safety (DHS fraud) So much corruption, so little time. We are paying for The FDA, EPA, DHS, NDAA, IRS and the list goes on to assault us and remove our rights as human beings. Take back our Country from these gangsters.

  • http://personallibertydigest Capt Rich G

    For Happy Holiday (Merry Christmas) every politician should have to get in line and get their shot – lethal injection. After all we the people feel its better to give than to receive. Start with O-hole @ the top.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    I know it would be radical for some but we might be wise to seek God;s wisdom for such a time as this. “His ways are not our ways but far above our ways.’ .

    • JMJ

      AMEN, Henry, AMEN. We need to stop OBAMANISM now & God’s way is the best way. There is so much frustration being posted with very good reasons, but, we can’t let hate take over our lives. We get just what we sow, & for how many years have we sowed immoral actions, such as birth control, abortion, sex education, filth coming from our T.V.s, radios, etc., in the movies & the homosexual corruption that is being forced onto us by Obama & his fiends. Yes, they are all God’s children, made in the image of God, but as we can see, they don’t believe in Him or obey His Commandments, which will be to their downfall as they will suffer eternity in hell if they don’t repent. +JMJ+

  • Alex

    Teabagger Xmas List:

    Guns
    Viagra
    Time machine to remove the sound of booing a serviceman in a battle zone during a GOP debate
    Nancy Raygun in a teddy with sex toys
    The death of kindness
    The rebirth of George Lincoln Rockwell

    In their stockings? Clean Coal! HAA!! LOSERS!!!

    • Angel Wannabe

      Alex__Liberal CHRISTmas List___ah Geez I forgot__you don’t celebrate CHRISTmas!___but I’ll CREATE a list anyway….

      :a waterproof pad for you knees, while you kneel to kiss your Liberal Boss’s butts!
      : extra collars & leash for the boss’s to lead the way, since sheep only follow the herd.
      : a copy of Sal Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” as a referral.
      : a list of Politically Correct terms and definitions, ya wouldn’t wanna pss off the boss now, would ya?
      : Winter Solstice tree & ornaments as to not to offend anyone!??
      : Markers and signs to make and use to protest the Nativity on both public and private grounds.
      :discount abortion cards in commemoration of the winter solstice holiday!
      : Tents,if you plan to Occupy, ya won’t need soap and water, half of you guys don’t take a bath anyway…BTW MERRY CHRISTMAS! :)
      :

      • Alex

        I do not have or need a boss. Merry Christmas to you as well.

        • Joe H.

          SURE YOU DO, alex, YOU JUST DON’T REALIZE IT!!!! YOUR LIBBIE BOSS ABUMMER AND EVERY PROG POL UNDER HIM!!! DAM, YOU GOT SO MANY!!!!!

    • GrayStroke

      Alex (or Alxia?…just sayn) why not move to Venezuela and tell us how you and Sean Penn are working it together over there…send pics… It’s those very freedoms won by CONSERVATIVES that allow you to spew Marxist rhetoric…ah but ur not so good at the obvious huh???

      • Joe H.

        GrayStroke,
        Wouldn’t those kind of pictures be illegal here??? I’m just sayin’……..

    • Pepper

      Alex, may you be fist in line when the powers that be get a running start with an empty jar of Vaseline and no lip balm for you chapped lips. (They really don’t care what side you’re on because they have bought people on both parties and they make money while we all get screwed)

    • DaveH

      Unmasking the Liberals.
      There goes the “compassionate” Liberal Alex, again as usual, disrespecting his fellow citizens. And these people expect us to believe that they care about their fellows? They want our money to spend as they desire. That is all.

    • JMJ

      Sorry Alex, YOU are the loser & if your man, the big “o” gets into the White House (dishonestly again or maybe with enough of you fruit-loops to vote him in, honestly) you will find out just how much of a loser you are as this country with all of God’s Blessings will be lost forever. I am not a tea-party member, just a disgusted Democrat hoping for real Democrats to take over the so-called “democrat” party once again before it is too late. +JMJ+

    • Micky

      Alex Liberal Xmas List: (Why do you even celebrate the holiday? Just go to work like any other day. Give back any presents you have ever received. Continue to take God out of your life. Most importantly – accept the consequesces when the time comes)

      No guns please (Weasel your way around the Constitution.(Right to bear arms) Instead a Govt controlled Militia that controls your every move.(Maybe Mexico will have their own Fast & Furious to provide guns to the mobsters & gang members here in our country)

      Pepto Bismal (To soothe your queezy stomach due to the fear that will be widesspread throughout our country)

      Time Machine (Good Idea -To be able to see the future of our Nation and your grandchildren)(They’ll all be in debtors prison).

      Nancy Pelosi (She has made enough money through Govt insider tricks to be able to live in luxury.(Lives in her mansion in Hawaii -her husband will own Hawaii and several other states. They will not have to pay taxes because she sidestepped the Constitution or any other Legislative rules and used several of the Obama Department Head Czars to gain priveledges. Do you think she will then be willing to share HER wealth). I suggest you write her and ask her to send some of her money to YOU. See what her answer is. If she won’t,ask Harry, maybe he will. HA!

      Death of “anyone” (who opposes the Govt)

      Only Mosques (There shall be no other Church)(Hope you don’t fall in love – you may be forced to kill them because your religion requires you to do that so YOU don’t loose face)

      Do you people not understand that if you think you can get something for nothing (without working for it), someday there will be nothing left to give????
      The Govt will have full control over everything – food,water,life. You will be put to work(harder than you ever have)but you will get nothing if you say one word against the gov’t or someone in power. Real freedom of speach, right? Just listen to what is being said about how people live in North Korea these days. Is that truly what you want? Total Govt control will lead to a dictatorship because someone in a position of power will want to have ALL the power.

      I do,however,wish you a MERRY CHRISTMAS filled with love, peace, faith and hope. The things Christ was born for and only HE can give to us and will every day- if only we are willing to give ourselves to HIM.

  • Patriot

    2012 elections will be a Tsunami compared to the 2010 tidal wave. We the people have become very tired of the circus clowns in DC. We cannot trust the Republicans to drain the swamp and do what’s right, so we will need to do it ourselves! Keep the Faith! We most turn our country around, I believe in the American People!

    • FreedomFighter

      Word is election will be cancelled by unfolding events sometime after FEB of 2012 and election time.

      Events include WAR with Iran, Dollar collapse, riots, food shortages. or some conbination and maybe even something like a x class flare, or other natural disaster.

      IMHO we will never see another election in America for president. BTW I would love to be wrong on this.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Angel Wannabe

        FF, at’s kinda what, I’m reading into this stuff too, just have to be prepared for anything from here on in.

      • Karolyn

        If you want to be wrong, then don’t keep spreading the bad news. Predictions can come true if enough people believe them, so if you give them no credence, you are not assisting in them coming to fruition. It’s all about energy.

        • FreedomFighter

          Sticking your head in the sand only gets your butt shot off.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

          • Karolyn

            It’s not sticking one’s head in the sand. All that is being spread is rumors, and that’s what makes things happen. It’s the combined energy that creates events. Bad energy creates bad things and vice versa. I KNOW that no matter what, I will be OK. That is the way I live my life, and that is why I have survived bad situations and come out the other side in good stead. It simply does not pay to give too much credence to rumors and conjecture.

          • FreedomFighter

            K they the globalists have writtin down there plans, made them public for anyone who is interested to view them.

            Infowars.com is a good place for you to start, check the sources, verify, go drive out the FEMA camps and watch them activating them. look in your paper for the adds for personel. Go to your local state police and ask for a copy of orders they are getting…it goes on and on.

            Wake up K, it may actually save your life and those you love.

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

        • Angel Wannabe

          K, while I too am inclined to believe negative energy begats negative energy, neither can we merely sit around believing and dreaming of lollypops and roses.

          I’m a realist K always was__I deal with whatever comes along, but if there is any possible way of catching a glimpse of what is unfolding, and then preparing for it,I’m there.

          • FreedomFighter

            Guantanamo Bay To Be The First FEMA Detention Camp For American Citizens

            Full Artical:

            http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=7571

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

          • Joe H.

            Angel, remember all it takes for evil to win is for good men to do NOTHING!!! try as she might, karolyn will never convince me to do NOTHING!!!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Absolutely right JoeH__ and the very reason we’re in this mess now, we dropped the ball!

  • http://bobLivingston Power to the People

    Rasmussen shows voters prefer Repubs to Dems by 3% points and both parties get about 20% approval in Congress. It has been that way for the past three years so comparing it to Obummers ratings is meaningless.

    Instead, compare Obummers strong supporters to his strong non-supporters and the ratio is 18% negative.

    If we take back our government from the thieves in DC and the leeches in league with them, we cut foreign aid, eliminate the agencies running our lives and all of a sudden the money will appear to pay our debt and get our house once again in order.

  • http://bobLivingston Power to the People

    Alex,

    Return to your corner with your koolaid.

  • Dr. smith

    either way, demoncratic or republican, we’re (offensive word removed). that’s french for bend over.

    until the collective people get their heads out of their asses, meaning, turn off the tv, forget about the game, stop looking at porno, loose some weight, don’t turn at the drive thru,

    we’re toast as a free nation!

    • Joe H.

      Dr. Smith,
      I very seldom watch sports on TV, work every day, VERY seldom eat fast food, am only slightly over weight, and mostly watch news on TV.
      The only shows I watch are Sons of Guns, American arms, and one I can’t seem to remember the name of that shows you how to survive almost anywhere. the last one, I have gleaned a lot of info from and relearned some things I already knew and forgot! I’m 61 this week, 6 foot tall, 200 pounds, and diabetic (not from weight but defoliants) and for my age in pretty good shape. I can still hit the last ring at 300 yrds with a long gun-open sights and faily good with my 9mm! I’m not worried about myself, I’m worried about my wife and kids. We need change alright, but it needs to be right down the constitution!!! RON PAUL/ANDREW NAPOLITANO 2012!!!

  • Norm

    Let me get this right.
    The Republicans, who never met a tax cut they didn’t like, are dead set against extending taxes for the working stiffs. But there’s no way in hell they would consider raising taxes on the super rich.
    The Democrats, who support social security, want to cut social security taxes and thus force social security to use the money prepaid to (and spent by) the government.
    Curious.
    To me the answer is simple:
    Keep the payroll taxes low, although not as low as they now are, and extend unemployment comp. This money goes to people who need to spend it on necessities, and thus it gets directly into the economy. Make up the expenditures by increasing the social security tax cut off (which is around 100k) to 300k, and charge a graduated surtax on incomes above 300K by 1% to 6%. It’s obvious that the tax cuts given to the rich by GW Bush were total failures. Also graduate capital gains taxes from 0 to “normal tax rates” so that people making millions on cap, gains pay taxes like the payroll crowd.
    Any ELECTED government official who signs a pledge like Grover’s “ no new tax” plan should be impeached. I thought politicians served the people not their masters.

    • FreedomFighter

      Smoke and mirrors Norm. Fixes nothing.

      Get preped with food water guns and ammo, 2012 looks to be an intereting time.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • cawmun cents

      Apparently you do not comprehend that the gubment wants your capital to spend as they please.
      Uncle Sam has been aptly renamed Uncle Scam.
      Uncle Scam wants you to finance the Gubments right to spend your capital however they please.
      They cannot do this if you have the power of how your capital is spent.
      So they will create laws which enable them to take the capital they want from you,no matter what you think about it.
      Have you ever felt powerless to stop something before?
      Enjoy your powerlessness gubment supporter.
      -CC.

    • Sirian

      Norm,
      First of all, in ref to your solution, where does the money for unemployment comp come from?
      Second, who implemented SS and what was the primary basis for it? Check history further please.
      Third, instead of playing with increasing taxes on the evil wealthy why not eliminate the thousands of IRS tax laws and reduce all of that into a straight, across the board – no exceptions, flat tax of say 7%. Just a thought. Everyone then would be paying the same, again – no exceptions, and the unfortunate “all knowing” Congress would then have to come back to basic money management that they have been playing with for ages.
      Finally, politicians serve the CONSTITUTION and then the people. Isn’t that what they are sworn to do? Yes.

      • DaveH

        7%? That would be nice, but the figure I hear for Flat [Rate] Tax these days is in the high teens.

    • GrayStroke

      spoken like a true Speaker of the House! How about cutting off the unemployment pay outs and let the local charities actually function as such instead of worrying about those around the world. Slow and painful yes I know. There is NO painless solution! Then go get a job from a POOR man and tell us how well you are doing. I don’t care how rich others get, it benefits the rest of us. Obvious you are just a darling of a genius how about hiring some if us? There is a reason Jesus Christ admonished against envy and looking at the lives of others but rather focusing on one’s own life. We all have different talents of course none of us can reach your level but then who can? Class warfare is typical Marxist diatribe and at least be honest enough to admit you support collectivist policies that just worked so swell in the former USSR. Your typical Keynesian Policies have 75 years of failure yet you and Krugman spew the same falsehoods, along side Barney Frank-less and Chris Dudd. Remember Bush had a DOMINATE Demo-commie congress during his tenure as he tried to reign in Freddie and Fannie. But NOoooooo Barney shaid…sthuffern-shuccotash ther’s no housthn crises it’s all peaches and cream….ah that was cream right…..(yeah, my point is he is vile and disgusting)

    • DaveH

      So, Norm wants Government to tax the producers more, and give the non-producers more? And that is going to result in a better economy, HOW?
      If you pay people to be unemployed, they will remain unemployed. People usually do try to do what they’re paid to do, in this case remain unemployed.

    • Joe H.

      Norm,
      I agree with Krauthammer. He says the repubs should take the bill, keep it word for word, but put Dec 31st as an expiration date, send it back to them and put the spot light BACK on ABUMMERS CAJMP!!! That would show you mindless Abummerbots that Abummer will screw you even faster than the RINOs!!!

  • Barbara Gibbs

    At age 73 I am a full time employee and continue to pay into the Social Security FUND weekly. I provide shelter and partial food for two teenage grandchildren, their mother and her fiance. I pay real estate taxes and assessments income taxes that help fund government projects and services. For you or anyone to refer to my social security benefit payments as entitlement is infuriating as it implies undeserved or unearned. I do pay income tax on the benefit at 100% as well. Perhaps someone can explain why it is not a benefit but an entitlement. Had I been allowed to manage the funds myself I can assure you my assets would be far greater. Congress should never have been allowed to “borrow” the fund and leave an IOU.

    • Sirian

      I agree with you 100% Barbara, the majority don’t understand the SS system other than they are led to believe they “deserve” it. HA, they haven’t the slightest idea as to the initial set up of SS by FDR and how it has been changed, manipulated and played with over the years since.

      • GrayStroke

        You have my utmost respect sir! I’m so sorry you are having to shoulder the results of a Dr. Spock no consequences” generation of children. We are also in similar situations and have sibling in likewise manner. SS is an entitlement NOT for you and I but for the third world illegals here in Texas and that alone chaps my hide to no end. Stop their entitlements and let’s see how the account for SS works out in a year or two then allow me to have at least half of my earnings into a private account. I’ll take a 3% return against the SS 1.5% return any day!

        • Joe H.

          grayStroke,
          i, sir, am not saddled with anything as far as my children are concerned. It was MY idea for my oldest child to move back in with us as her job didn’t pay enough to live on and with the economy in the state it is, I felt COMPASSION for my kid and did something for her. please get to know the person before you lump all kids together. I have another daughter that will graduate withy her bachelors this May. She had her associates degree before she finished highschool and has worked for every grade she got!! I am very proud of the intestinal fortitude she has and the work ethic she carries!!!

    • DaveH

      As is so often the case, Barbara, common English words have been twisted by Progressives to mean things they don’t.
      Actually, Social Security recipients are indeed “Entitled” to receive benefits. It’s the others (welfare recipients, etc.) who AREN’T entitled to receive benefits, who have somehow been placed under that category thus making Social Security recipients, by dint of association, look like charity cases.

  • Herb Watts

    You keep saying Soc.Sec.is a problem, Why do You blame Soc.Sec. My Employer and Me Payed for it. If Goverment didn’t borrow from it to pay for wars we don’t need to be in We would not in this shape.
    Our Gov. owes Sos. Sec. 2.5 Trillon dollars. thats Me.

    • Joe H.

      Herb,
      They have also used it to pay for other non- social security things as well. Our greatest liar in chief CLINTOON used some of it to try to balance the budget, using the same dollars to pay in two places at the same time!!! It’s like trying to buy something from two stores using the same dollars at BOTH stores!!! I guess “is” has a WHOLE new meaning!!!

  • Bob Marshall

    Americans aren’t confused. Millions are ignorant by choice.they have been dumbed down by the corporate controlled news media for so long they have lost the ability to think for themselves. Our founders warned us of everything that has happened to America would happen if we ignored their warnings.It has and is continuing to happen.If millions had only read their Quotations and warnings they would have not remained so ignorant. google CULTURAL MARXISM-THE CORRUPTION Watch this 1:38 min. film Look for Aug.30.2011. before it is removed. It is on youtube.

  • jopa

    Social Security is about the best program ever devised by our government and at its current pace will be solvent for at least the next 25 years.However if the Republicans get there way and hand it over to Wall Street for an investment in your future, good luck.One downswing and bingo for the brokers and you will be broke but not a broker.Where the claim was made that Obama is the fourth best president ever, I have not seen that claim anywhere else but here.He may well be on his way to that and only time will tell.Perhaps even the best ever if he pulls us out of this fiasco created by a previous regime.

    • Sirian

      jopa, have you made it out of grade school yet?

    • DaveH

      Social Security is WORSE than a Ponzi Scheme:
      http://mises.org/daily/5658

    • JMJ

      I don’t remember what show that the moron was on when he claimed to the the 4th best as it was deleted (thank God as fools like you would fall for it); what he truly wanted to say was that he is THE man, he is #1, which of course, is true as he is the #1 of the worst presidents ever, by-passing Carter & the Clintons. Bush’s problems came from Clinton (there wasn’t a surplus) & the so-called “democratic” congress, especially with the help of Obama’s ACORN & the criminal actions of Frank, Kerry, Obama & Chris Dowd. Welcome to the planet; are you planning on staying long? +JMJ+

    • http://personalliberty.com 1911man

      it was on 60 minuits, there is an artical on this alert about it check it out.

  • John Galt

    The congress critters spend money (they don’t have) like drunken sailors on their first shore leave in 6 months. Then they borrow the phoney money with no gold or silver backing from the Federal Reserve
    who charges interest on a created debt from thin air. Then the American tax payer is forced to pay on the debt by the enforcement arm of the FED, the IRS, who has no authority, no law to tax “We the People. What a scheme! Now if Congress was really sincere about improving the economy they would remove the income tax on the people and corporations also because the corporate tax is passed on to the people as an imbedded tax…a cost of doing business. This would cause an almost immediate economic boom. Wonder why the congress doesn’t do this, HMMM.

    • DaveH

      That’s not fair to drunken sailors, John, because at least they’re spending their OWN money.

  • http://yahoo don

    can you imagine what all of the ssi tas withdrawls would have been worth if it would have been invested all of your lives. i’ve been working since 1969. i bet it would have been sizable.

  • jopa

    Sirian: Sure have what don’t you know that you need advice on?

    • DaveH

      Sure, Jopa, we would go to you for advice. Nice Joke.

  • jopa

    don: It may have been a good investment back about forty years ago but since the eighties the brokers have been manipulating the market for a win for them and a loss for the stockholder.The blue chip stock I hold today has remained flat over the last twelve years.Basically losing with inflation taken into consideration.When you retire it doesn’t take long for you to get back what you paid in and if you get sick you have it back instantly.Our government sucks but it still is one of the best.Get rid of the lobbiests and the government may even work for us.

    • Don

      jopa, better yet, let get rid of this whole administration and people with your kind of thinking along with it !

    • Joe H.

      jopa,
      glad you are speaking only for yourself!! My wifes and my investments haven’t been burning down the house, but they are still earning a return!! no flat liners, here!!!

    • Vicki

      Jopa should quit doing whatever he is in the stock market and stick with the DJIA. Even with dollar cost averaging over the last 40 years he/she would have done quite well.

      DJIA
      1971 – ~850
      2011 – ~12000

      More than 1000% yield in 40 years (single investment not DCA). Not bad.

  • Hermit

    I see a lot of complaining, well founded. What are you going to do about it? Do you have the courage to admit that both parties are at fault and get some candidates in the primary that support the Constitution in its pure sense? The objective, turn Washington over until they get it. Get involved!

  • KW

    Bless someone with “Merry Christmas” when you really mean it. Please, let’s be true to this holy season and learn to keep our behaviors above that which we reject. Let’s attract others to our beliefs by our positive, uplifting, truthful behaviors. Who would want to change their contrary ways when our behavior is as bad as they already believe in? We can correct and change deviant behaviors by attraction of a better way demonstrated by the way we live and the words that we speak. Criticize without putting your opposition on the defensive leading to hard hearts. Let’s love the USA by teaching good will by our examples.We need to quit being wishy-washy and be firm in our beliefs by using correct information and use language other than name calling. God Bless America.

    • FreedomFighter

      I dont believe God will bless America anymore, to much evil running the show now.

      God bless his people in America, give us the power to destroy the enemy and bind the evil that has gripped our once great country. Bless those loyal with spritual power to carry on in the face of evil, to overcome such evil, and uttery destroy it.

      Laus Deo
      SEmper Fi

      • Joe H.

        FF,
        God will NEVER abandon his flock!!! He will continue to bless those that truly believe and trust in him!!! Gods love is NEVER ENDING!!! Have faith, guy!! Hold in there!!!

  • Randall

    Round up all the politicians, ALL of them. Open FEMA camps and commit them all to life sentences for crimes against humanity. Let them make license plates and clean sewers and work in the kitchens. ALL of them.

    • Realist

      Round up the politicians????**LOL**!! They are only puppets
      for those hiding behind the curtain. You need to go after the
      CFR, Bilderbergers and the like who manipulate the decisions that
      politicians make by throwing their lobby pool around. You
      want to solve all the world’s problems? Hunt down and eliminate
      the curtain dwellers…Take them down like the TZARS got theirs.
      Problem is, got to get tem all at once…so the hit list must be
      viable and complete with all the addresses known.

      • FreedomFighter

        Kill tnakes, are not sheeple afraid of reptiles?

        They should be.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • FreedomFighter

          Snakes — that is — keyboard seems to have a life of its own today — running virus scan Now…

  • http://moniquer7 Merlin

    The whole thing is disgracefull!

  • jopa

    don Where have you been.Since 1969 if your SS money was invested in the stock market you wouldn’t have a dime coming at retirement.It crashed about three time in the last 10 years.You would have some perhaps but not as much as you are dreaming of.There are a lot of folks that thought they were going to retire in the last 5 or ten years and it didn’t happen.But there were many Maseratis driving around Wall Street on their dime.Best thing you can do is put your money in gold and Ron Paul.

    • DaveH

      In 1969, Jopa, the Dow Jones Industrials were at 800.
      They are now at 12,000, a 15X increase. Need I say more?

    • JeffH

      Dow Jones-1969-876.72
      Dow Jones-2007-13264.82
      Dow Jones today-12,103.58

      Let me figure this out…13.8 time higher today than 1969…sounds pretty lucrative to an average person…must have been the liberal math classes…

    • Vicki

      I don’t think that Jopa understands what a stock market “crash” is. Certainly if you were to have invested in the DJIA in 1969 and just let it ride you would be VERY happy with your return.

      http://stockcharts.com/freecharts/historical/djia1900.html

      Of course we know that the chart ALSO shows the direct impact of inflation since stocks are priced to paper (fiat) dollars and supply/demand affects EVERYTHING.

  • Professor

    Christmas celebrates Jesus’ birth, not that anniversary of his birthday. Thus, we could and should celebrate his birth every day.

  • Sandy Anderson

    I am 62, spanish/mexican in heritage only, 7th generation. Not once have I ever joined any hispanic group. Why? Because I am an American above all else that loves God, country and my family. I am still working. I own a small business. I am not nor ever was an Obama voter. I am conservative. I still pay into social security and have not collected any money. Not once in my lifetime have I asked for welfare. I earned and worked hard for what I have. Yet, daily I sit and watch Obama with his regulations and smugness put in his regulations, rules like tentacles reaching into every aspect of our lives. I am not a racist person. I have friends of all colors. Saying that I have watching those on welfare all around. They demand things. There is not once ounce of humility in them.

    Recently my husband and I have been watching Hard Core Pawn on TruTV which is so different than Pawn Stars. They are in Detroit. You just know their customers are on welfare just by watching one 30 minute episode. They come in with fake “jury” jewelry and ask for $1000. When the owner says I can’t do that they make a big scene. “I want my money!! Give me my $1000 now!” Two nights ago I said these are Obama voters. This scenario happens almost every episode. People not coming in and paying for their pawn items and cause a major ruckus when they’re sold. Why am I saying this? Because it’s these type of people that are takers. I told my husband we are working our bottoms off for these people. So Obama can take from us to give to them more. Well, I’m tired of it. We even pay in our auto insurance for those that are under insured and those without insurance so we’re paying for them too! I am one fed up mom. Obama has to go. I think with social security we eventually need to be cut off so we can put all that money away. Why? Our govt. can’t seem to remember it’s not theirs.

    • http://perssonallibertydigest sejmon

      Sandy Anderson-After 34yrs. as immigrant from -Iron curtain-we conservatives are still majority of population.There is lot of decent/consevatives folks all races. We seen them all on Tea Party gatherings.Believe me Sandy there will be different America after Nov.2012 d-o not belive to theirs polls.

  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS from AUSTRALIA

    Welfare and Social Security comes in different ways I believe your making a bigger deal about the banksters getting all the benefits against the people getting nothing. You should not blame Obama for 100 years of developing financial madness by both Republicans and Democrats in every state in your country and ours. The people wanted public works and the got it just like BOSTON got $14 Billion for the BIG DIG in Tea Party Habour Territory. Who paid for those tunnels under Boston? Who got the contracts for machinery, concrete, engineering, who where the workers who got paid for the twenty years it took to complete? Which businesses benefitted when those workers went home to spend their wages? What happended to the corporate dividends paid to the shareholders of the corporate organisations who must have supplied goods or services to the grand program of getting rid of those overhead roads going through Boston.? Did anyone pay taxes on their earnings? I bet they did. WAS IT WORTH SPENDING THAT STOLEN TAX MONEY ON BOSTON? I THINK SO. BUT STILL NO ONE WANTS TO PAY…EVERYONE WANT TO KEEP THEIR MONEY WITHOUT PAYING TAX. The BOSTON BIG DIG was funded by tax or credit funds which benefitted ALL the workers and companies who worked on the project for almost twenty years. Did anyone complain where the money came from then? Would BOSTON taxpayers have been happier if the BIG DIG had not been done at all? I doubt it.

    I believe many of you are suffering with the greek disease…you want to make money in a free enterprise manner but not contribute to the circulation of money which benefits everyone. So what politicians are still doing to gain your favour…they are agreeing to borrow and the Federal Reserve and the Banksters will help.
    So now the chickens are comming to roost..ie someone has to pay back the loans or the interest but not the tax payers…… so just like in greece..your having financial woes and disagreements and blaming OBAMA because he is in the the hot seat when the musical chairs run out. Some of you people are disgrace by not being honest not only with the readers of these blogs, but yourselves by trying to blame OBAMA.
    So what is my explanation of why the federal reserve helped the banksters in 2008 and not the people directly?. Simple…if they went under…every bank holding the savings of all the people and large and small businesses would have folded…and ALL THE LITTLE PEOPLE would have lost ALL, YES ALL their savings, businesses, superannuation EVERYTHING LOST. All the little peoples shareholdings …also LOST. DID THEY MAKE MISTAKES YES…there should have been many more conditions and control on executives taking bonuses etc …but i put that to panic and fear if something was not not done FAST. Lets hope your deal makers in Fed Reserve are working on a better deal next time by taking shareholdings and bonds in exchange for help and BAN bonuses for criminal executives…etc when next time comes. [My qualifications are I have family relatives living in Boston for over 100 years]

    The Greeks are in a financial mess because they borrowed to maintain their lifestyle and now they have just recently got rid of their fall guy President, thinking the next guy wont let them accept the punishment. THEY CANT ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO PAY AS A NATION, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. So now they having more strikes, still dont want to pay taxes to balance their unbalancable books. They’ll kick out any President who increases taxes and sacks overpaid lazy public servants. The Greeks would rather go bankrupt without the pain, thinking they can get away with it and the Germans are trying to help them out. BAD MOVE. Let them go broke and let them starve, dont help them…they got to learn to live within their means, otherwise no one will pay their loans, ever.

    What would happen if American banks were to forgive peoples bad loans? The good borrowers would feel cheated and they too might decide not to pay either. The world needs a lesson and the Greeks need to be sacrificed to show the real pain to pay if governments dont pay their loans by real hard work and austerity. The sooner it happens the better.

    There are two ways to protect America from sliding and OBAMA is attempting to achieve that in the only style both Democrats and Republicans know and that is to borrow or create money to pay out money for Social Security for unemployed people who cannot be employed during this recession and to begin a number of public works like pipelines, roads bridges etc where some skilled workers and their employer corporations can be involved in these civil engineering works. The EPA is one of our biggest stumbling blocks to getting permission to undertake many work and job creating projects in both America and Australia where the RED GAY GREENS movement has sneaked into Senate positions and local government areas in Australia and I bet in the USA & CANADA too.

    The whole issue is very complex in both Australia and the USA and passing the blame on OBAMA alone is totally illogical, when so many RED GREENS are already lurking in your corridors of power under the guise of many of your so named comservative Republicans and others. YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED WHICH VOTERS VOTE FOR greens movement Candidates…USUALLY ITS THE RICH AND WELL OFF. Do some research you will be amazed.

    Again I must say I think your Republican line up of candidates is very poor and Ron Paul stands out above the rest by far. Get rid of the rest fast…they are a disgrace and shows how bad a selection you really have and thats why my money is still on OBAMA to win. You have to work on a better system to encourage a much better range of candidates in future years. Consider your quest as a longer term project of several more elections to get to your desired destination to have policies changed even if Ron Paul wins the Presidency…the policy changes you may want to see instantaneously happen…wont be happening as you have too many other Congressmen and Senators who will stifle plans just as the Republicans has done to OBAMA.

    • Joe H.

      gilly,
      you still saying there was no riots in Austrailia??? No improper treatment of the Blacks there??? You SURE you’re from Austrailia???

      • libertytrain

        I’m not seeing or hadn’t heard of race riots in Australia – I did notice a couple immigration events – are you sure you don’t mean South Africa? I watch the news too much as well but I don’t recollect hearing anything weird about Australia. But of course, I could easily be wrong.

        • Joe H.

          libertytrain,
          I didn’t say Race RIOTS. I said riots and below standard treatment of the blacks. Two totally separate incidents!! Gilly keeps trying to combine the two and say that Austrailia has had no trouble in the last two years so he can be holier than thou about the United States. Last year, there were reports of riots in sydney and there were also reports about the same time about the treatment of blacks, the Aborigine if you will!!!

          • libertytrain

            I know every country has some sort of issue, especially these days, but I hadn’t seen anything as striking as other countries… Aborigines – - I don’t believe they refer to Aborigines as black but rather as Aborigines.

          • libertytrain

            even gilly down under tries to explain some below — he says black Aborigine but I almost think he’s doing it to help us understand…

          • bob wire

            From my brief visit in Australia, I found the aborigines to be very black in color only. They were accepted as equals and walked, talked and dressed as whites and well received anywhere that they went. They spoke the Kings English and much more proper then I.

            It’s hard to imagine there were not exception or that this occurred naturally without conflict as clearly their history indicated there was.

            History indicates that for many years, mixed race children were taken from their mothers and sent to a near by island to be raised by the Nunnery via the Church. The Aborigines refereed to them as “The lost Children” or “Lost Generation”

            http://www.iearn.org/hgp/aeti/aeti-1998-no…/aboriginal-children.htm

            and a different story with the same spin as it was not just black children that was subjected to this white bias.

            http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/03/24/60II/main40269.shtml

          • libertytrain

            oh bob – human beings sure can do the most wicked things —- I had heard about this but seemed to have forgotten the details. Gutting.

      • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS from AUSTRALIA

        JOE H, We have not had any race riots like you have in America over the years probably because the blacks get treated financially very well by successive Australian administrations, in fact better than the workers in this nation who get taxed to pay for the welfare our indiginous people get paid. Most of the local blacks live in bark huts or houses built by our government in the tropical areas of our outback where they have few services except vendors of alcohol where most of their social security payments go.

        Unfortunately, the wives of the nations doctors and dentists dont want to go and live in flee and insect infested tropical unsewered areas so they have few medical services in those desolute areas. Doctors wives prefer to live in the upmarket areas of Sydney and Melbourne where the majority of our population reside. Try google.TOORAK in Melbourne as one example.

        I have never seen a native black Aborigine working in a factory or a McDonalds Burger store in Melbourne or Sydney, but I believe some work as very good stockmen in the outback cattle stations but I have never seen them working in person…only on TV documentaries. Some half cast Natives are now politicians who represent the areas and do the usual lobbying and complaining they want more….perhaps if we sent them to the USA they might realise how well of they really area in Australia. Their customes are somewhat different to European settlers so they generally do not mix well socially that is true ever since the Australian continent was invaded in 1788. Australia never imported Negro slave workers so we where never left to be free slaves like in America. Some blacks do immigrate into Australia from Africa…the Sudan and from India some of which resemble our native blacks too as our blacks may have invaded our continent from the Indian region possibly 40,000 years ago so the scientists tell us.
        When the English invaded our Australian continent…their were no great civilisations or buildings or cities…just some huts, caves with some few hand paintings in those caves. It was an undeveloped landscape …nothing like what was found in the South Americas…the Incas left stone buildings etc but nothing even similar was evident when the English arrived.No water dams, no housing, no vegie gardens or farms. JUST RAW BUSHLAND which was invaded and kept just like the British did in the USA except that you had a few more developed Indian Tribes if the stories in those COWBOY n INDIAN stories were correct.

        So as I said before unless you saw a fictional movie or documentary or saw one of race riots in the UK ie ENGLAND recently where there where building fires and looting…I have never seen any in Australia involving our natives. They tend to enjoy a better life than prior to 1788 when they ate Kangarros and other native animals, whereas now they can buy the full range of foods we whites can now buy including Cornflakes and Mortein should they wish to try to kill off those tropical flies and insects. I encourage you Joe H do study Australia better than what you see in the news. I also have a four volum set of the first 100 years of Australian History 1788-1888 called Casell’s Pictureque Australia which maybe Amazon might have a copy of for you to read…and lots other history books too..if you wish to acquant yourself with some real history…

  • wtram46

    As usual, Obama and Congress is lying to us, screwing us blind and fattening themselves on our dollars!!

  • Sandy Anderson

    I live well within my means. My car is a 2003 and I don’t plan on buying another one soon. My husband’s car is a 99 Ranger. So we aren’t out there living beyond our means. When we bought our house in 1999 we qualified for a very expensive house. Instead we bought a house that was only $120k. It did fine for our family. My 2 kids supported themselves through college and both have/had a 4.0 average. They have not got into all the trashy stuff that is going on. I am so proud of them. Yes, I do blame Obama for spending, spending, regulating then doing it again. In Bush years he had to deal with an entire democratic congress… in both house and senate. What I am against is the cronyism that is going on, and the lady on the broom that is right up there in the forefront. My wish and prayer is that our govt. would live within their means and forget the pork. No, I do not believe the polls for one second. Our president and some of his minions are so into the occult. They want our country in total destruction. My family feed the homeless every weekend using our own money. I give 25% away to charities that help people every month. It’s my choice where I give and to whom. That’s the way it should be.

  • elwood blues

    according to the star charts of many astronomers, Christ was born april 19, 4bc

    • Joe H.

      elwood,
      AND??? If Christians choose to celebrate Christs birth in December then what’s it to you??? I’m sure it doesn’t harm YOU in any way what so ever!!!

  • http://GOGGLE vaksal

    TO;BOB LIVINGSTON,from VAKSAL,MERRY CHRISTMAS,sadly a lot of simple folks arent,sadly 160 american citizens arent,why? too many fat self serving people wanting it all,well this election has been blown by a bunch of spoiled brats that have never known hunger or humanity,i am totaly dissapointed,with those i once supported,(tea party)this is totaly anti- christian.well enough said,may god bless everyone this year.

  • Tired Of BS

    Robert Ringer, you say, ‘Could it be that Democrats aren’t as liberal as some of us have believed them to be? After all, they can’t be so bad if they actually favor a tax cut. The truth is that it’s nothing more than a gimmick to keep American piglets mesmerized while feeding at the government’s entitlement trough. Who you calling a pig? The hard-working people, not you, of America? If so, you should post your home address, so us piglets can come and visit you and you can call us pigs to all our faces. Or post it on Twitter and the whole country can visit you.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Tired of BS,

      Your email indicates you work or matriculate at Thomas Jefferson University. Perhaps you need to study Mr. Jefferson to learn who he was what he stood for.

      “[A] wise and frugal government … shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.” –Thomas Jefferson

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • john tr

    that’s ok, the dems can ferk off the gop. then the gop will shoot their load down obamas throat.

  • john tr

    merry xmas, mr pressy dent.

  • bob wire

    Wow! Mr.Ringer, I’ve never heard you ramble on so.

    I can “get away” with it, but I’m not drawing a paycheck for my efforts and have no claim to be a writer. I’m just an old turd punching plumber, that knows water don’t run up hill, payday is Friday, all that glitters is not gold and don’t bite your nails.

    So continuing these tax cuts is now a bag thing? But all other tax cuts are good and create jobs? Why is it only now, that my dollar in hand is seen as less value and problematic to any system in place?

    I see. ??

    Or for a sitting President to defend himself from unrelenting attacks by offering up a record of accounts as he approaches reelection is, ~is pretentious, self serving and arrogant?

    So ,? You would prefer him to just roll over and play dead?

    Tell us, Mr. Ringer, when has it ever been seen as prudent to allow your enemies to define you and you not speak out? When has that ever worked well for anyone? I can’t think of such a time.

    That today, the GOP has now snared themselves in a trap of their own making is poetic justice at work and not the work of the DNC.

    This near sighted political war that has been fought by the sound bite, to win by the minute, as they loss by the week serves all Americans poorly.

    Allow the up coming general election to be the “TRIAL” and accepts it’s outcome. As clearing, you have had the freedom to say, do and think whatever you wish.

  • jopa

    Daveh:When President Obama was elected the Dow was at 600 and now its at 1200.Need I say more.Vicki;I have also made out in the market however I was advised for health reasons not to gamble any longer in the market so I did pull out before I lost, but many investors did lose.I am required today to hold x amounts of stock for matches, getting my proxy statements and voting rights.Now I receive minimal interest guaranteed but no risks.

    • vicki

      jopa says:
      “Daveh:When President Obama was elected the Dow was at 600 and now its at 1200.Need I say more.Vicki;I have also made out in the market…”

      Now we know why comments from Jopa are so confusing. He lives in a parrallel universe where the DJIA is around 10% of where ours is.
      He also admits that he DID do ok-well in his market so the losses he implied in earlier statements are shown to be exaggerated.
      http://stockcharts.com/freecharts/historical/djia2000.html

      Note in our timeline the DJIA reached a low of ~6,500 in March of 2009 as investors ran screaming from the new socialist administration which came into power in January of that year. :)

  • jopa

    Just want to take a moment to wish everyone a Merry Christmas a Happy New year and a Happy Anniversary to Claire and her Honey of 52 years.

    • vicki

      Merry Christmas a Happy New year to you and yours as well Jopa.

  • vicki

    Can I put in a request for some crystallized coal for Christmas?

  • jopa

    vicki; I always did drop a zero when referring to the djia and in an actual conversation about the djia we tend to drop all zeroes.We usually say it’s at six or eight or twelve.That’s just one of the little things the people in my group have always referred to these matters , however if I bring the Dow up on this site again I will use all the zeroes.My bad.Have a good one.

    • Vicki

      No need to bring all the zeros. Just make sure you account for them in your statement. For instance it was ~8k and now it is 12k. :) Since the numbers are so small though you probably should just use the zeros.

      Thanks for your clarification. Merry Christmas.

      -Vicki-

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