Tipping Toward Tyranny

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“We know better than what they tell us, yet hope otherwise.” — Thomas Pynchon, in a 2003 introduction to George Orwell’s reprinted classic, 1984

After the past few months, nothing President Barack Obama and his Chicago troika (first lady Michelle Obama, senior adviser Valerie Jarrett and U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder) says shocks me. Their ideology is based on their African-American heritage and their Islamic sympathies. What should shock us is that we are allowing the Obama Administration to do what it wants with nary an objection — not from the people, not from the press and not even from our Republican representatives in Congress.

Our latest engagement in Syria will only make that nation a breeding ground for future terrorists. The consequences of that will be arguments by the Obama Administration for even greater authority. That will mean Americans will have fewer liberties.  Don’t count on public outrage.

In a recent poll from the Pew Research Center and The Washington Post, 56 percent of those surveyed said the National Security Agency’s (NSA) program to track phone records is acceptable. Only 41 percent said it was unacceptable. When asked about anti-terrorism efforts, 62 percent of respondents said it was more important for the government to investigate possible terror threats, even if the price was personal privacy.

I cannot comprehend how almost two out of every three Americans are perfectly willing to let Obama shred the 4th Amendment. It gets worse. Some Republicans in Congress are suggesting that journalists should be subject to arrest if their articles put the Nation at risk. Risk is how the Obama Administration defines it. If this happens, there goes the 1st Amendment. All of this begs the question: If we are willing to give up these Constitutional rights, are we willing to give up everything in the Constitution? Will America sacrifice the right to bear arms and even the 22nd Amendment, the only instrument that limits the President to two terms?

I try not to be too pessimistic, but it seems that we are at a tipping point — something Malcolm Gladwell studied and wrote about in his acclaimed book The Tipping Point: How Little Things Can Make a Big Difference. In it, he states, “Change happens not gradually but at one dramatic moment.”

Flying Blind And Blind Trust

My own personal experiences have demonstrated that Gladwell is correct. I almost had a life-ending moment, and I wasn’t aware of it until it was upon me.

It was 20 years ago when my uncle, Dick Myers, flew me to Billings, Mont., in his Cessna 172. We took the trip to see Little Bighorn Battlefield, the site of Gen. George Custer’s last stand.

Dick had let me handle the controls from the co-pilots seat many times before in mid-flight, but only on perfectly clear days. Dick had flown for decades, with 2,000 hours as first in command. When he asked me if I wanted to take control over the middle of Montana, I said, “You bet.”

We were cruising at 120 mph at an altitude of 8,000 feet. Dick was taking a rest in the left seat, eyes closed.

A cloudbank overcame us with me at the controls. I understood only two gauges: the altimeter and the airspeed indicator. In pilot jargon, I was flying VFR, or visual flight rules. Given my inexperience, it was necessary for me to be able to see the horizon just to keep the plane flying straight and level. But I was blissfully ignorant as the clouds came upon us. Everything seemed fine when Dick became startled, saying, “I have the controls!”

I didn’t know what all the excitement was about, but certainly Dick was plenty excited. He grabbed the yoke and rammed the throttle forward. The small Cessna’s single engine roared. We momentarily broke through the clouds. It was then that I was able to see I had not been flying straight. Our plane was listing to the right, and the nose of the plane was pointed toward the prairie below.

It couldn’t have been much more than a minute; but in that time, I had lost all ability to tell up from down. It is called spatial disorientation. It is what happened to John F. Kennedy Jr. when he crashed his Piper Saratoga into the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of Martha’s Vineyard, Mass., in 1999. All Dick had to do was give the instruments a quick check to stabilize the plane as we flew back into cloud cover.

“That was close,” Dick exclaimed. I could tell he was angry at himself for not being alert as I flew into the clouds. He had trusted the weather report before we departed which said there would be an unlimited ceiling. After we landed (and over a much-needed beverage), he told me that when flying, things can go bad in the blink of an eye. As Gladwell explained in his book, a great many things reach a tipping point.

It is easy to blame the loss of liberties on Obama because of his disregard for the Constitution. Yet millions of Americans implicitly trust Obama to do the right thing — even after the Benghazi, Libya, cover-up; abuses by the Internal Revenue Service; the seizure of telephone records of reporters; and the all-encompassing NSA spy program.

How can you blindly trust someone you have never met and don’t know? Even the people who have written about Obama and support his policies admit that nobody — with the exception of his wife, Michelle — knows who Obama is.

Let me tell you about trust. That same summer I was flying the airplane, there was a front-page story in our hometown newspaper. Our family doctor of 15 years was arrested (he was later convicted) for having a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old male patient. The news was crushing because he was a good doctor and, I thought, a sensible man. He delivered our babies and even made house-calls if anyone in the family was ill. He had a wife and child. He was the kind of man that women wanted to be with and men wanted to be like. He had a thriving practice. And I thought I knew him well.

All these years later, I still ask: How could I have been so wrong? Who do we really know?

I have known my wife for 40 years. I believe I know what is in her heart, and she knows what is in mine. But beyond my wife, I really can’t make blanket statements about anyone. And I certainly wouldn’t make one about someone I have never met who is also a politician.

When millions of Americans feel they can trust Obama, we are near a tipping point. I just hope that America can save itself before it’s too late.

Yours in good times and bad,

–John Myers   

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

  • independent thinker

    Excellent observation Mr Myers

  • deltainny

    We have been dumbed-down by public schools, virtually run by the politically-correct and teachers’ unions, bought with gifts from the treasury and taught that receiving welfare is honorable and then we are surprised when we are lied to?
    I was optimistic about America 10 years ago, but now I believe the end of an era of unprecedented freedom and growth for the world is coming to an end.
    The Bible says there WILL be a one-world government, a one-world currency and a great, charismatic leader for it all: The Prince Who Will Come, AKA The Anti-Christ. The world will beg for him. We are already!

  • figmo

    It’s really quite obvious that the liberals and the lap dog media have found the republicans’ achilles heel. all they have to do is accuse any one criticizing obama of being a racist and he will be diverted from his point in order to spend the next 30 minutes defending himself against the unfounded and dishonest accusation. I prefer the answer john stewart gave when he was criticized by conservatives about something: “go ____ yourself”. It’s concise and direct and allows you to get back to the point you wish to make. Not only do the republicans look like bufoons when they try to dance the politically correct minuet but they allow themselves to be controlled like puppets by the fifth column media working in lockstep with the dishonest, lying liberals.

  • Joshua

    It seems to me that the news is is a bandwagon of alleged shocking alerts about this administration’s activities, and as time passes, the alerts escalate while whipping more than half of the population into a state of agitated frenzy and fear. However, I have yet to see a single person step forward with an idea or plan to mount an effective response to this coup of America. One can respond to endless polls, become a prepper, protest on FaceBook and so forth all to no avail. The only people who are benefiting from all of this mayhem are those who bombard their readers continuously for donations to their specific agenda, whatever it may be.
    The situation in America is dire, we are being fast tracked to an islamic nation, and I hate it, but please quit asking me for money to further your political agendas until you have a viable solution on how to mount an effective, organized protest across the nation to bypass lawmakers and bring the ire and will of the people to the attention of congress.

    • Darral

      Simple Abolish the Democratic party guaranteed you’ll get the rest of them their attention or in this case they’ll pay attention to the American people
      PS you can keep your money, But I suggest you support something as supporting nothing is the same as doing nothing which is why we are in this mess in the first place way too many people doing nothing.

      • Karolyn

        And while you’re at it, demolish the Republican party too! Why just the Democrats? The Republicans are so much better? I think not!

        • KG

          Be careful, you are showing too much intelligence. You may need to go to the Karl Rove school for misguided sycophants. The one where Glenn Beck teaches you about imaginary enemies we have to fear.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Argument by ad hominem.

          • KG

            I thought is was scathing sarcasm, but thanks for your response.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            “scathing”?
            I hate to burst your bubble, KGB, but “scathing” would require logic, truth, and facts, none of which you present.

          • vicki

            Scathing sarcasm by its nature is either ad hominem or argument to ridicule.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            But you are the fear monger and the enemies are not imaginary since you claim the enemies are Conservatives and Libertarians.

          • KG

            So, are you saying you actually believe Glenn Becks deluded political screeds?

          • vicki

            argument to ridicule (Key word “deluded”)

          • vicki

            Argument to ridicule

          • KG

            Do you really thin Glenn has it all together in the head? I mean, when his hero died (the child molesting ‘elder’ of the Mormon Church) he actually cried. That did it for me.

          • vicki

            Argument to ridicule (Specifically “Do you really thin Glenn has it all together in the head?”)

        • JC

          Karolyn- I agree however demolishing a “mind set” is a personal option. Those who survive what’s coming will have no option but to rebuild what has been demolished. Let’s hope “we” get it right the next time around!

          • vicki

            “WE” got it right the first time around. We failed to keep it.

        • me

          there is a few in the republicans who i think are way above most of our useless congressmen. McCain called them wacko birds. If it isn’t too late by 2016 i think rand paul as a pair as republican president and vice president would be our only chance to get it back. If we get the Owebunhole copy Hillary we might as well kiss this country as we know it goodbye. it will become like Russia was called ussr. the USA will become USSA. The United Socialistic States of America. scary, huh. Everything Nikta Krustev predicted in the sixties.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          RHINOs are not Republicans but are just plain Democrats lying to win elections so they can be disbanded as well, but they will never go away because they will infiltrate any group to dilute it.

          • 5alive5

            IE. SPECTOR!!!!!

        • frgough

          They are. Democrats vote in lockstep with Obama to demolish freedom. A significant minority of Republicans continue to fight against him. A significant minority of Republicans also opposed Bush in his liberal policies. Logic would conclude, therefore, that the Republican party can be salvaged.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            But why salvage it, when there already is a Political Party that promotes Individual Liberty, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, Limited Government, and the PEACE that those Principles bring?
            http://www.lp.org/platform

          • frgough

            Because the Libertarian party is big government. They want to use the power of the state to tell me I have to put up with dope smokers in my neighborhood. They are totally opposed to the idea of local government.

          • vicki

            frgough writes

            Because the Libertarian party is big government. They want to use thepower of the state to tell me I have to put up with dope smokers in my neighborhood.

            Patently false. We do not tell you that you have to put up with people you don’t like. We totally support your RIGHT to associate with whom you please. We also support your private property rights to buy up the neighborhood and you get to decide who lives on your property.

            They are totally opposed to the idea of local government.

            proof by bald assertion.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            frgough,
            Instead of debating what a Libertarian believes or doesn’t believe, just read this book by the Father of Libertarianism and get some knowledge:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf

          • Dave

            BS… The GOP vote lock step with Bush on almost every issue. On the Iraq war, all GOPers voted with that criminal Bush except 1. there were 22 Democrats that had the decency not to give the criminal the authorization to attack Iraq.

            Such revisionist history going on here.

            BTW none of Bush’s policies are liberal thank you very much. You can stop that lie at any time.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The majority of the revisionism is practiced by you lying Progressive shills, Dave.

            Dave says — “there were 22 Democrats that had the decency not to give the criminal the authorization to attack Iraq”.

            Only 22? You think that gives you bragging rights as a Democrat, Dave? You’re pretty funny.

            And please explain to the readers, Dave, why you and others of your Liberal Progressive ilk try so hard to make it a Democrat/Republican issue when in fact this board is all about Freedom regardless of Political affiliation?

          • JeffH

            DaveH says “And please explain to the readers, Dave, why you and others of your Liberal Progressive ilk try so hard to make it a Democrat/Republican issue when in fact this board is all about Freedom regardless of Political affiliation?”
            B-I-N-G-O!

          • frgough

            OK, you’re one of those “Iraq war” people. That tells me all I need to know about your critical thinking skills.

          • vicki

            ad hominem (specifically “OK, you’re one of those “Iraq war” people. That tells me all I need to know about your critical thinking skills.”)

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          I’m afraid I have to agree with Karolyn on this one. Republicans and Democrats are just different sides of the same Progressive Coin.
          They have formed a Progressive Tag Team to sweep the majority of uninformed citizens into their web.

          • Dave

            DaveH,
            You can spout on about the GOP and many Dems being progressive all you want but it is simply a falsehood that you keep trotting out. Your definition of a “Progressive” flies in the face what the rest of the world believes about progressives. For instance, you believe George W Bush is a progressive… Give me what made Bush Jr as progressive in your mind and not a conservative.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Progressives believe that by their own effort they will create the perfect human and a perfect Utopia on this planet as long as the Conservatives, Libertarians, Jews, Christians are gotten rid of because they are the hinderers. Since the Bible or the Constitution of the United States could not be buried and abolished or wiped out of the people’s minds. The old gods of Paganism are being trotted out and given a new facelift and identity to dilute the thinking of the population and this is touted with such viciousness.

          • dave

            Where do you make this stuff up from Nads? If you are going to bring Christianity into the discussion, I will submit JC had more in common with liberals in America than conservatives. JC certainly would not approve of how corporatist conservatives have warped capitalism to have the wealth concentrated among the few.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            What you call christianity and I call Christianity are two different things. Counterfeit christianity of the Dems/Progs/Leftists which is nothing more than fancy dress Humanism, Populism, Statism.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Again with the misuse of the term “Conservative”. Crony Capitalists are Pro-Government, NOT Anti-Government, therefore the last thing they want are the constraints of the Constitution (as advocated by True Conservatives).

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Progressives are those who believe Government is the solution to all our problems. It doesn’t matter what their particular policies are (Liberalism, Neoconservative, ?). If they are building Government ever larger, they are Progressives.
            Conservatives embrace the Governmental Limitations of the Constitution. Since when has George Bush been mindful of the Constitution?
            I find it funny, Dave, that your defense is a generalized statement that my definition of Progressives “flies in the face what the rest of the world believes about progressives”. As if you know what the “rest of the world believes”. Do you mean perhaps, Dave, “what you’d like the rest of the world to believe”?

            http://freedomlessons.net/freedom-101/progressives-and-tug-o-war/

            http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/43955

          • Dave

            So I am clear… Ronald Reagan was a progressive…. George H Bush and Bush Jr was progressives?

            And once again, you lie about progressives. Progressives do NOT believe that Gov is the solution to all our problems. You are simply trying to change the definition of progressives to suit your ideology. Not based in any factual data.

            But keep trying to convince others of your lie but i know that liberals are and what progressives are, you merely parrot right wing talking points to gloss over the record of conservatives since 1980.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You are the liar, Dave. I have demonstrated that repeatedly.
            And Ronald Reagan was somewhere in the nether land. He talked a good show about shrinking Government but then stepped aside to let it grow ever larger. He may have had no choice as his own party members (mostly Progressives) were doing everything they could to hobble him.

          • Don 2

            Liberals started calling themselves Progressives after the term Liberal became known as a dirty word. They are one and the same.

          • vicki

            What is the same? progressives and dirty words?

            Classical Liberals became libertarians to fight the evil that is progressivism that had invaded the Democrat and Republican parties.

            .http://www.lp.org/our-history

            http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Classical_liberalism.html

          • vicki

            One of the daves writes:

            Progressives do NOT believe
            that Gov is the solution to all our problems.

            Based on the factual data progressives believe that their ideas are the obvious solution and they use the power of government (and its guns) to force their ideas on everyone else.

            You are simply trying to change the definition of progressives to suit your ideology. Not based in any factual data.

            The facts are obvious to anyone who has watched all the laws forcing people to buy only certain products (light bulbs for instance), that have been brought to us by government force rather than the civilized method of persuasion.

          • vicki

            it’s not so much that they believe that government is the solution, it is that they believe their ideas are good and should be forced on the rest of the population using government guns.

          • vicki

            Give me what made Bush Jr as progressive in your mind and not a conservative.

            Patriot act, TARP, His comments about the Constitution.

        • Darral

          I won’t argue there are more than a few RINO’s in the republican party, But facts an numbers don’t lie, The ten poorest cities in America are and have been controlled by the Democratic party for decades, the ten cities with the highest crime rates are and have been controlled by the Democratic party for Decades, The ten cities with the Highest unemployment have been controlled by the Democratic party for Decades, now lets move to the states the same applies with one added fact , the States with the highest debt have been controlled by the Democrats for decades, I am just a independent looking at the facts,

          • Karolyn

            How about the poor states in the south controlled by repubs? I live in one, and it’s a damn shame the conditionof this state and its people!

          • Darral

            Which state is that

          • Karolyn

            SC – Home of Lindsey Graham and Tea Party Queen Nikki Haley. Right-to -work state with no jobs and falling apart infrastructure. But none of that matters as long as the taxes stay low and the good ole boys stay in power and live in their mansions.

          • vicki

            Argument to ridicule. (specifically “Tea Party Queen Nikki Haley.”)

            Right to work states don’t have Unions limiting who can work so why would the right to work be the cause of no jobs?

          • Karolyn

            Isn’t right-to-work supposed to be a draw for businesses?

          • vicki

            need money to move.

          • Karolyn

            Oh, come on, Vicki, I’m talking industry. And they do get tax breaks to move to the state. Actually, a Sociology professor told us that in the county he was born and raised in, the powers-that-be like to keep big businesses out because they don’t want businesses to pay people a higher wage than they are willing to pay their employees. They don’t want the “little people” to get “uppity.” These counties have a high poverty and unemployment rate and very poor student scores.

          • Darral

            South Carolina is second only to Kentucky in the debt ratio index, Unemployment has dropped 2.2% down to under 8%
            Crime has dropped also 2.2 % No sc is not a rich state ranking 45th in individual income but that then rests with the private sectored job creators, and the federal government which has blocked several things s c has tried to do to create jobs this blockage has been the Democrats in the federal government, The whole dang country is hurting regardless of the spin the Democrats put on it, your state is not alone,

          • Karolyn

            I don’t know where you got your info, but the unemployment in this county is around 12%, with those of a couple of other adjoining counties being arounlid 14%. Then they closed many of the employment offices making it harder for people to get to the ones that remain. I will say they opened limited service satellites in some county libraries and such, but for more filing claims, people have to drive quite a distance. Sure, if you get stats from Charleston and Columbia, things look great. Try telling that to the people who live in the rural areas, which comprise most of the state. I don’t know abut the general crime rate, but SC is #2 in the nation in women killed by men, and services for women are sorely lacking. I worked for a domestic violence/sexual assault org. and due to state cutbacks, it is getting harder and harder to provide the services that do exist.

          • Darral

            so what’s new about that rural arias in every state has its own set of problems, I got my info from state statistics and numbers don’t lie, and with the economy down across America every state has got to cut back or raise taxes which most people object to Out west here I know people who drive a hundred miles to a grocery store we don’t complain, If you want things next door either move or start what you want, Jezz even though you complain you live in one of the best states, start a business, create Jobs, quite depending on the Government, Government subsides and pay roll comes out of your neighbors pockets,

          • Karolyn

            The point is people can’t afford the gas to get to the employment offices. The recession started here way before the rest of the country. I wish I could start a business – been there; done that. It is no longer an option for me being on SS. I’m lucky I get my bills paid. I would rather see the taxes raised to have a better infrastructure, better schools and more services. Back in ’08 a girl from a county not far from here brought attention to the condition of her school only because she was at one of Obama’s speeches or something. The school was falling apart; mostly black (of course) and a disgusting mess. Well guess what? They decided to build a new school. they probably would not have had she not brought national attention to the place If I could afford it, I would be back up north in my home state of NJ, taxes, traffic and all. (Although where I lived, it is still pretty & rural – even in Jersey.)
            Numbers don’t lie? It depends on who they come from. Ever read “Damned Lies and Statistics”?

          • WTS/JAY

            Weren’t you the one who most recently stated that under the obama-administration the economy was doing just fine? Booming, i believe, was the word you used. And that the unemployment-numbers were way down, and that there were jobs galore to be had. How is it then, that now you say; “people can’t afford even the gas to get to the employment offices, and you can barely pay your bills?

          • 5alive5

            Your Hero Obambam says under 8%!!!

          • vicki

            Country vs County. It can be a bit confusing at times.

          • 5alive5

            But then one of the highest crime rates per capita in the US???? DC!! Decidedly Corrupt!!!

        • JeffH

          Agreed, abolish the two party political mess altogether.

        • Don 2

          Works for me!

      • k92509

        I don’t advocate demolition of the DUMBOCRITIC party but the creation of a new “Common Sense Party”. We have slowly gone to hell in a hand basket ever since congress gave 18 year olds the right to vote. Most of them cannot tie their shoes and worry about who is texting them or where to buy the newest video game to know what’s really happening. They are fresh out of DUMBOCRITIC indoctrination camp (public school) and have yet to learn what life is all about yet are allowed to decide on what sounds good to them. As people age values change and what once looked promising turns out to be quite different. Some people never grow up so they easily fall prey to promises of those whose agenda is power. They fail to realize there is evil in this world disguised as politicians.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Before the ink dried on the page of the bylaws, the Common Sense Party would have been infiltrated and it’s purposes diverted.

          • k92509

            Doubtful for Common Sense approach is totally foreign to a libera and to want to infiltrate one must first have a fear of the movement. SInce common sense is foreign there is no fear, YET.
            Most if not all liberals are too confident that their party has all the answers. Only when a movement gains momentum and poses a threat does anyone care.
            To liberals the GOP as an also ran and viewed as innefective but are threatened by the Tea Party movement which is met with mockery and distain.

            So Ithink it will take a few years untill Common Sense is in vogue and a threat. It’s too easy to be indolent and apathetic to care.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            There is already a “common sense” party, k. It’s called the Libertarian Party.
            Limited Government, Free Markets, Personal Responsibility, and Individual Freedom:
            http://www.lp.org/platform

    • dave

      BRAVO

      • FreedFighter

        Today we call Obama a Tyrant, he is, he is also a master of deception and lies…In Germany Oblamer made a speech he stated without hesitation to a crowd on international TV that Reagan wanted the wall brought down for “JUSTICE” and we all know that Obama was associating “Social Justice” with Reagan and the bringing down of the Berlin Wall

        REAGAON WAS SPEAKING OF FREEDOM, FREEDOM FOR THE WORLD — NOT SOCIALIST JUSTICE

        Words have power, our liar an wanna be tyrant president is a liar, twisting words and emotions to his own deviant ends

        Reagan at Brandenburg Gate – “tear down this wall”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtYdjbpBk6A

        Laus DeoSemper FI

        • KG

          And when the wall did come down, he was just as befuddled as the rest of the world. Besides, for yous guys, it’s not about ‘freedom’, it about ‘morality’.

          • vicki

            Freedom IS moral so of course it is about morality

          • KG

            Morality is the ability or authority to distinguish between right and wrong, or good and evil. When you say something is ‘moral’ it doesn’t imply that it ‘good’, only that you need to judge it as either evil or good. That’s why Guns have “moral” power. You decided who lives and who dies.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      If it seems to you like the “news is is a bandwagon of alleged shocking alerts”, then imagine what it would be like if the MSM wasn’t populated mostly by sycophantic followers of Big Government who try to sugar-coat every attempt made by Big Government to further subjugate the citizens?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      The solution is an age-old one — EDUCATION. Until the citizens’ Propagandized sensibilities are neutralized with truth, we will continue to flounder helplessly while the well-organized slave-masters subjugate us.
      What are you doing to help that cause, Joshua?
      The pen is mightier than the sword.

  • KG

    The 22nd Amendment was put there to keep the ghost of FDR from becoming president again. And I don’t under stand why. I mean FDR saved capitalism from its self. And started a long period of prosperity for average Americans. But I can see the good side of it as well. Can you imagine what this country would be if Raygun stayed for 3 or 4 terms? We would probably have no way to stem the greed of bankers. As it is, the financial elites are still trying to drive the car into the ditch. And, it seems, the Republicans keep grabbing the wheel, when they should let the President do his job. What is confusing Mr Meyers is his ‘Ayn Rand’ attitude of contempt for anyone beneath his ‘superior breeding’. America has actually more of a Gandhi attitude. Most Americans actually believe the constitution when it says:

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    However, most of the right-wingers here HATE this part. Because it shows the hypocrisy as well as the contempt they have for their fellow man.

    Matthew 5 (King James Version)
    43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

    44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

    45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

    • chocopot

      You are truly deranged.

      • KG

        Thank you for proving my point.

        • chocopot

          And thank you for proving mine.

          • KG

            AFK BRB LOL!!!

        • chocopot

          Your little rant above shows that you are a typical Leftist: you rewrite history, then you start name-calling anyone who has the temerity to point it out. FDR did not save this country and “start a long period of prosperity,” as you claim. His hard-core socialist policies (the New Deal being the great example) are generally acknowledged today to have unnecessarily prolonged the Great Depression, as well as put this country on the path toward socialism (Social Security being a good example of that). He is not one to be admired, despite what the Left wants us to believe. As for Reagan, his policies did more to help this nation prosper than any President of the 20th century. So just keep rewriting history if it makes you feel good about the lies you like to believe and repeat – but don’t be surprised when those who know the facts and the truth call you on it.

    • hippybiker

      Alinsky is very proud of you and Obama. He awaits you and it in the deepest pit of Hell.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      First, it is spelled defense. Second, “…secure the blessings of liberty…” refers us back to the Declaration of Independence which states, “…endowed by their Creator, of these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness.” Endowed by their Creator means blessed by God. So how are these hate points for the right? I think you have been sniffing too much glue. Just remember, “Judge not, lest ye be judged. For as you have judged others on earth, so shall ye be judged the same in heaven.” Need to get off of the Karl Marx and Lenin nonsense and get back to believing in American Exceptionalism. Do you know what that is? Here is an article that tells how a southern democrat saw the light and changed parties.
      http://www.humanevents.com/2013/06/18/elbert-guillory-explains-why-he-went-republican/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out. There are no atheists in fox holes.
      “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.”
      Benjamin Franklin
      Founding father
      Devout Christian

    • TML

      KG says, “The 22nd Amendment was put there to keep the ghost of FDR from becoming president again. And I don’t understand why.”

      It was put there to keep another President from serving more than two terms. Surely if you can image horrors of Reagan (or worse – George Bush Jr.) serving 3 or 4 terms or more, then it isn’t hard to understand why the 22nd Amendment was put there.

      • Don 2

        Even a worse horror yet, imagine a Jimmy Carter or Hussain Obama serving another term.

        • TML

          Indeed, I was just trying to speak language he would understand concerning the term limits to President, hah
          I’m sure if any President served too long, regardless of political affilation, power would eventually corrupt.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      And: FDR admired Hitler and the Fascist Italian Dictator. And; FDR is and idol of Obama.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      As usual, pure conjectural Propaganda from KGB.

      FDR gave the death blow to Capitalism in the US (started by Woodrow Wilson and Herbert Hoover). To Roosevelt, the murderous Communist dictator Stalin was “Uncle Joe”. FDR also started the UN, which is an organization created By Leader For Leaders. If they have their way, and the UN becomes the Unrepresentive Central Government that the Leaders want, we can kiss any effect our votes might have had Goodbye.

      Those who would like to know who the “hero” FDR really was should read this book and awaken to reality:
      http://library.mises.org/books/John%20T%20Flynn/The%20Roosevelt%20Myth.pdf

      • KG

        Here is your hero praising Hitler as well as Mussolini. So much for your ‘admiration’ of a fascist financier who believed the ‘open market’ was the cure for all of our economic ills.

        Quote: “It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aiming at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has, for the moment, saved European civilization. The merit that Fascism has thereby won for itself will live on eternally in history. But though its policy has brought salvation for the moment, it is not of the kind which could promise continued success. Fascism was an emergency makeshift.”

        -ludwig Von Misies

        FDR was trying to FIGHT fascism by saving capitalism from itself. If it weren’t for FDR and the new deal, we wouldn’t have had an ‘Arsenal of Democracy’. We would have what we have now, thanks to ‘conservative’ policies – empty factories.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          The fact that you have attempted to smear Ludwig Von Mises twice before, and both times I proved you wrong, tells me, KGB, that you are just a self-interested damn Liar who cares nothing about facts. If indeed your comments held any water at all, you wouldn’t need to Lie in an attempt to disparage good people, now would you KGB?
          For those readers who don’t know that KGB has no credibility, read this:
          http://archive.mises.org/18257/mises-on-fascism-again/

          • KG

            If you notice the red stripe on top, you will see the words:

            “Misies economics Blog : Proceding ever more boldly against evil”

            This prooves what Stefan Molyneau said about “libertarian values”:

            ‘It’s not about freedom, it’s about Morality.”

            And I had to ask “Whose ‘morality’?’ I mean Adolph Hitler had ‘morals’. Mussolini had “morals’. Pinochet had ‘morals’. So, who’s morals are we talking about?

            Please note, Von Misies wrote those words in 1927, before WW2. The world was uncertain who would win. I guess Ludwig hedged his bets and bet on the fascists “just in case”. And that really shows the kind of idiot we are talking about.

          • vicki

            KG writes

            ‘It’s not about freedom, it’s about Morality.”

            Freedom IS moral so of course it is about morality.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Who do you think you’re fooling, KGB? Anybody who reads the article I linked to will see that you are fabricating your “facts” out of whole cloth.

          • KG

            You just can’t admit to yourself that ‘Austrian economics’ has nothing to do with ‘economics’ as it has to do with ‘moralizing’, or judging people as either ‘good’ or ‘evil’ based on certain economic factors. For Von Misies, since there is no other system other than ‘laze faire’ or ‘free market’ , all other systems, regardless of effectiveness or equity, are ‘evil’. So, ‘libertarians’ are actually closeted moralists, or people who think THEY are right, no matter what. A lot like the Nazis in Germany.

          • vicki

            KG writes

            ….people who think THEY are right, no matter what. A lot like the Nazis in Germany.

            Or progressives in the United States.

          • KG

            The difference is “progressives’ are so correct on so many issues, that it is hard to discount their objectives. Personally, I am not a progressive as much as I’m a Labor Democrat. In Marxian terms a ‘proletariat’, or one who produces young for the exploitation of the bourgeoisie.

          • vicki

            The fault in their behavior is not that they are correct or incorrect on some issue.

            It is they use force (of government) rather then persuasion to get their objectives.

          • KG

            So when Republicans say “our only purpose is to prevent the President from a second term”. what is THAT called??? That’s not “persuasion”, that’s sabotage! And Bush didn’t use ‘force’ to get what he wanted??

            You obviously do not know anything about politics. I suggest reading The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli. It’s the “for dummies” of political affairs.

            However, the bottom line is something the Republicans are actually more adapt at than most political operatives. Nixon was caught exercising it, Raygun did it when he sold the Republicans to the evangelicals just to get their vote, and Bush just did it because he was told to by Rove and Cheney.

            “The ends justify the means.”

            Democrats, bless their hearts, have tried to enact change through legislation and legal actions. The Republicans have tried to enact their change through lying, extortion, and out-right fear mongering. So, who is more fond of using ‘force’?

          • vicki

            KG writes:

            So when Republicans say “our only
            purpose is to prevent the President from a second term”. what is THAT
            called???

            A statement of purpose?

            You obviously do not know anything about politics. I suggest reading The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli. It’s the “for dummies” of political affairs.

            Ad hominem.

            oh and you neglected to provide any evidence of the use of force.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          So FDR, by merging Fascism, National Socialism, Communism, was going to save Capitalism? The truth of the matter is FDR was determined to destroy Capitalism because it would curtail his power.

        • vicki

          Still using the same argument to ridicule. DaveH corrected you in those threads and has done so again in this one.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So tell me where is the LOVE that is commanded you by the Master toward the people you hate which are Conservatives and Libertarians. Why aren’t you doing it since you command all to do it, why are you not doing it first.

      • KG

        “At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love. It is impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this quality.”
        ― Ernesto Guevara

        • vicki

          pol pot

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          KGB qouting a rabid killer on the concept of “love”.
          Sick puppy.

          • KG

            Here is an example of ‘G-ds love:

            Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
            — 1 Samuel 15:3

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear KG,

            While I doubt that you will comprehend this, it is indeed an example of God’s love. As the Creator, He has the authority to destroy his creation if it is unacceptable, just as you have the authority to destroy anything your hands can create. The Amalekites were a rebellious people who rejected God, so He ordered the Israelites to destroy them. On Judgement day He will separate the wheat from the chaff. He has given everyone the opportunity to love and follow and obey Him, or reject Him. The Amalekites had the same opportunity. Those who reject Him will be destroyed, as the Amalekites were, and cast into hell. Those who love, follow and obey will go to be with Him in Heaven. It’s a simple concept, actually.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • KG

            I thought it was those who accepted the completed works of Jesus Christ given in grace to those who believe.

            Ephesians 2
            King James Version (KJV)

            8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

            9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

            Besides, what did the thief on the cross do to deserve “paradise’?
            The problem with Modern christianity is the “works” doctrine that has crept in and destroyed the real grace of Christ, and has made most christians into hatefull, bitter, selfish lunatics. That’s why they vote republican – to shew their “worthyness to G-d.”

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear KG,

            You write: “I thought it was those who accepted the completed works of Jesus Christ given in grace to those who believe.” That comes in with obedience.

            Regarding grace, that is certainly a main part, for none of us is worthy of God’s salvation, yet he has poured out his grace. However, don’t forget that: ” What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? 17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.” –James 2:14ff (ESV) So it takes God’s grace + faith + works.

            You write: “Besides, what did the thief on the cross do to deserve “paradise’?” He recognized that Christ is the Son of God.

            You final statement is a non sequitur.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • KG

            “Besides, what did the thief on the cross do to deserve “paradise’?”

            The point was he did nothing.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear KG,

            You write: “The point was he did nothing.” Not true. He did what for most is the hardest part; he recognized and affirmed that Jesus was the Son of God.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • TML

            That’s a pretty sick concept of morality. Especially after the “Thou shalt not kill” part. God incapable of doing his own dirty work? The infants and children and even beasts didn’t do a damn thing. You are trying to justify people that say God told them to commit genocide, with even further tyranny of “love and obey me or die and burn in hell”. I like you Bob, but get freakin real will ya?

          • 5alive5

            And Jesus said ” suffer not the children as they are a pure as the driven snow.”

            Yet what has planned parenthood and their ilk done since Roe V Wade??? What about Kermit Gosnell?

          • TML

            The actual verse (in context) is; “But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them. But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence. And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.” – Mathew 19:11-17

            What does abortion have to do with biblical accounts of genocide?

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear TML,

            You write: “God incapable of doing his own dirty work?” He is quite capable. He demonstrated his capability when he formed the universe and everything in it, and when he destroyed the world with a flood (Genesis 6-9) saving only Noah and his family, who were the only righteous people on earth. He’s used various people and events throughout history to exercise his judgement.

            Unless and until you accept that there is a Creator, that he is the lawgiver, that he enforces that law and carries out judgement, that he has given man free will to decide how to live his life but has also provided a way to achieve salvation, you won’t understand the concept. I’ll be happy to engage you in a private discussion about it if want.

            You write: ” I like you Bob, but get freakin real will ya?” Ignoring the argument to ridicule, thank you. I assure you I am quite real.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • TML

            Another arrogance… “I’ll pray for you”.
            Yeah, I guess I should be worried and afraid of being thrown into eternal hell fire for daring to say acts of genocide are wrong, regardless of who claims to be doing it under God’s authority. *sigh*
            I see you didn’t answer my question.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear TML,

            You write: “Another arrogance… ‘I’ll pray for you’.Yeah, I guess I should be worried and afraid of being thrown into eternal hell fire for daring to say acts of genocide are wrong, regardless of who claims to be doing it under God’s authority. *sigh*” Now you’re using Alinsky tactics?

            You write: “I see you didn’t answer my question.” It was nonsensical in its context.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • TML

            Bob says, “Now you’re using Alinsky tactics?”

            It’s called sarcasm. I’m not sure a “loving” god would send me to hell because I disagree with genocide.

            Bob says, “It was nonsensical in its context.”

            Your entire position is nonsensical, and mutually exclusive. You can’t condemn the genocide committed by Hitler, while defending a biblical account of genocide, without being a hypocrite.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear TML,

            You write: “It’s called sarcasm. I’m not sure a “loving” god would send me to hell because I disagree with genocide.” So is this more sarcasm, Alskyite, or just disingenuousness? At best it’s a logical fallacy. Nothing was mentioned about your being sent “to hell because [you] disagree with genocide.”

            You write: “You can’t condemn the genocide committed by Hitler, while defending a biblical account of genocide, without being a hypocrite.” I can to someone who understands the concept of and recognizes a Creator.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

            P.S. I will happily continue to engage you privately if you wish to have a reasonable discussion and are interested learning why I believe in God. You can contact me at freedomwatch@personalliberty.com. But if your aim is to continue to throw out straw men and arguments to ridicule and other fallacies, don’t waste our time. And BTW: there was no arrogance intended in my statement that I would pray for you. It was meant as a loving and sincere gesture.

          • TML

            It’s pretty self-righteous to say you will weep for me on “Judgment day”, considering my entire argument has been against your defense and support of biblical genocide. I don’t see how that could be construed as a loving gesture. It’s pretty straight forward… no logical fallacies about it, Bob.

            I don’t have a problem with you believing in God, nor why you believe in God. I have a problem with trying to justify genocide, regardless of whom or what is doing it, simply because the Old Testament says God ordered it, and you fight with the illogical biblical claim by taking it too literal.

            Good day sir

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear TML,

            You write: “It’s pretty self-righteous to say you will weep for me on ‘Judgment day’…” I have told you that it is being done out of love. I cannot help how you take it.

            You write: ” illogical biblical claim by taking it too literal.” The claim is not illogical if you understand the concept. And why do you insist on denigrating my belief system?

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Did I say anything about God, KGB?

          • KG

            You said ‘love’. Supposedly, G-d is ‘love’. So I wanted to shew you some of G-ds ‘love’.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I said “love”? Why do you suppose I had “love” in quotes? You are grasping for the usual Socialist Progressive straws, KGB.

          • vicki

            here’s an example of pol pot’s love

            http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~amamendo/KhmerRouge.html

            And since you brought up Ernesto Guevara lets check out his “love”

            http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-true-story-of-che-guevara/

          • vicki

            I think he has love and narcissism confused.

  • village idiot

    Obama has not shredded the 44th amendment at all. How could he shred something he does not know or care about. He does not know the Constitution, considers it irrelevant in it’s entirety and totally superfluous. It has absolutely no meaning to him and those Americans who believe one word that emanates from his mouth are due to be fatally wounded mentally when they discover the truth about this puppet.

    • chocopot

      24, not 44. But you are right on target.

  • MG

    This weasel is a threat to democracy and the constitution!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The weasel is not a threat to democracy as it is his playground. He is a threat to a Republic.

  • Warrior

    In 2014, send as many “abusers” a.k.a “progressives” packing.

    • perry

      do you think that the GOP has you or the rest of us in their plans.I don’t think so they just want to not leave office and keep going with their quest.

    • perry

      send all of them they are working with one mind to take over .the people will not do any thing because most of the people in this country is on anti-depression pills and happy

  • mari

    I concur. “Spatial Disorientation” is exactly what is happening here, as it has happened in other countries that let “useful idiots” lull and lead them into a political nosedive. Excellent analogy.

  • ridge runner

    The blue print Oidiot and the Democrat Party is a combination of Karl Marx and Leinin. Oidiot said his idol worship of these degreed morons in his books should have alerted voters what a puke he was and is. When I see college degreed clowns whining about their poor job market and a massive college debt, as well as having to buy health care, When asked who they voted for in the last 2 elections? Eveyone of the whining idiots voted for the fascist/communist party and the muslim marxist. Only one or 2 has ever seen the muslim puke’s books or even read any of them. These same spoilt brats think doing any physcial work is below their station in their entitled life Time for these fks to pull up their panties and let go of momma’s hand!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      ridge runner, their mothers didn’t raise them as they only gave birth to them and then passed them on to other’s to raise, besides they wouldn’t know which hand is their mother’s. They picked up the political ideology of their teachers and their peers and if it happens over several generations the politicians get the constituency that they want. If the few contraries pot up they will be quickly silenced. The supposedly “civilized” countries inbred the rank Dem/Prog/Socialist ideology (that is why all countries begin to look and behave alike).

      • $8012302

        We have forsaken morality for what feels good. It feels good to receive money that we don’t earn. It feels good to have illicit sex without consequences. It feels good for someone else to die for our safety. It feels good for someone else to make our decisions . It feels feel good to be able to drug ourselves into oblivion and have someone else pay for our recovery. It feels good for someone else to take responsibility for the care and raising of our children while we have a good time in the bars , brothels and spas. It feels good to have zero responsibilities over our lives. It feel good to be a slave to a tyrannical socialist government. It does not feel good if you are a caring God Loving moral person. Our problem has arisen from the immorality of this “I feel good “culture..

        • 5alive5

          Life without consequences!!! That’s why when consequences happen they CRY!!

        • Dave

          I have a specific question about morality and the United States. Were we a moral nation when slavery was the law of the land? or maybe it was when we broke EVERY treaty we have with the native people of this land?

          This whole idea that we are becoming less moral is funny. We are no more or less moral than we used to be. its just the cycle of life and some people have rose colored glasses on about the past.

    • 5alive5

      Just to back up your post, Obambam put college loan default in the hands of the government. Not that I support it, but before if the debt got too heavy to bear, you could go bankrupt on ALL your bills. Now, since the government controls it, you owe for the rest of your life and they will garnish your tax refund check to repay! This is something I know to be true as it happened to my neighbors daughter!

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Arrested for having sex with a seventeen year old patient?
    Horror of Horrors. Imagine that — a seventeen year old having sex when he could be preparing to go to Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Syria, or whatever other wars the PTBs can think up to bully other countries and kill or be killed to “protect our Freedom” (yeah, right). What was that doctor thinking?

  • Dave

    I have a question:
    Where was Mr Myers and the rest of the faux outrage parade when conservatives passed the UNPatriot Act after conservatives dropped the ball on protecting this country and let 9/11 happen?
    They were all lock step behind their hero at the time, George W Bush.
    They seem to forget the GOP news channel (Fox News) and their multi-colored threat level alert nonsense to keep up the fear so they buy into the UN Patriot Act and criminal activities like IRAQ.
    On the issue of the Patriot Act, Obama has failed. What should have happened is the Patriot Act should have at least had the attempt made to abolish it, even though the GOP would filibuster such an attempt because thats what the GOP does instead of trying to help this nation.
    I keep hearing the term RINO as if there are GOPers out there that are not garbage. Since the days of Reagan, the GOP has become the party of big business, racism and national security failure along with anti-freedom activities. The solutions we seek will not come from the GOP as long as they still are who they are. Their record when they achieve power is quite clear.

    • red neck

      Typical far left loony placing blame on one to cover up another!

      Go away!!!!!

      • rbrooks

        the real problem is denying who is responsible.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          You are doing the denying because the Conservatives and Libertarians know who is responsible for the messes created.

          • perry

            if you bet on the GOP you will lose all your money

    • JRR

      Racist?

      I SAW the provision in the original version of Obamacare which stated that medical care would be given according to affirmative action (of the sort the Black Panthers were dishing out during the 2008 election). The liberals realized that that provision might keep them from passing Obamacare, but that doesn’t change what they have in mind for middle class America.

      I feel sorry for those who didn’t support Obama, but I can’t WAIT to hear the screams from the Obama-bots when they start losing their homes because of the expense of Obamacare. Especially when they finally realize that the people PREFERRED by Obama aren’t losing their homes because they don’t have to pay into Obamacare: Muslims and illegal aliens (who are overwhelmingly Mexican).

      So, back to my first question: Racist?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Dave says — “Where was Mr Myers and the rest of the faux outrage parade when conservatives passed the UNPatriot Act after conservatives dropped the ball on protecting this country and let 9/11 happen?”.
      Only a Liberal Progressive could ask such a pointless question, given that he knows nothing about what any of us thought about the Patriot Act, and it has nothing at all to do with the present topic.
      Try to stay on subject, Dave. And please quit wasting our time with your hypothetical disjointed questions.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Dave makes the usual unfounded generalized Liberal Progressive statement — “They were all lock step behind their hero at the time, George W Bush”.
      The Liberal Progressive Trolls on this board have been told time after time by Bob Livingston, myself, and many others that we did not approve of George Bush or any other Progressive. Yet he and others continue to try to group us under the same general blanket.
      The problem with Liberal Progressives like Dave is that their goals and policies cannot be justified with rational discussion, so they must instead use all their manipulative tactics in an underhanded attempt to sway ignorant people.

      • Dave

        Once again, Conservative trolls that have hijacked the Libertarian movement try to change the definition of what a “progressive” is to suit their ideology. There is no dictionary that agrees with DaveH’s warping of the progressive movement. But he keeps trying.

        • vicki

          proof by bald assertion

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          More straw man arguments from Dave, the Liberal Progressive who haunts this board with his typical manipulative Liberal Progressive tactics.

          Notice that he gives lots of lip service to his claimed “facts”, but offers us no evidence whatever to back up his nonsense.

          From Wikipedia:
          “Progressivism is a general political philosophy advocating or favoring gradual social, political, and economic reform through government action”.

          Get it, Dave — “Government Action”?
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism

          • Dave

            Wikpedia?

            lets try Dictionary.com

            “a person who is progressive or who favors progress or reform, especially in political matters.”

            http://www.progressiveliving.org/politics/definition_of_progressivism.htm
            “We are now in a better position to offer a fuller definition of Progressivism: it is the specifically American development of Liberalism and populism that seeks social justice above all else, and specifically with reference to the obstacles posed to social justice by large corporations. Though Progressives strongly support civil liberties, the “progress” in Progressivism is thought to lie, most fundamentally, with ensuring, as the American pledge to the flag puts it, “justice for all”.

            Sorry, I try not to use Wikiepdia whenever possible

            Interesting what wikepedia has to save about conservativism

            “The meaning of “conservatism” in America has little in common with the way the word is used elsewhere. As Ribuffo (2011) notes, “what Americans now call conservatism much of the world calls liberalism or neoliberalism.”[107] Since the 1950s conservatism in the United States has been chiefly associated with the Republican Party. However, during the era of segregation many Southern Democrats were conservatives, and they played a key role in the Conservative Coalition that controlled Congress from 1937 to 1963.[108]

            Major movements within American conservatism include support for tradition, law-and-order, Christianity, anti-communism, and a defense of “Western civilization from the challenges of modernist culture and totalitarian governments.”[109] Economic conservatives and libertarians favor small government, low taxes, limited regulation, and free enterprise. Social conservatives see traditional social values as threatened by secularism, so they support school prayer and oppose abortion and homosexuality.[110] Neoconservatives want to expand American ideals throughout the world and show a strong support for Israel.[111] Paleoconservatives, in opposition to multiculturalism, press for restrictions on immigration.[112] Most U.S. conservatives prefer Republicans over Democrats, and most factions favor a strong foreign policy and a strong military. The conservative movement of the 1950s attempted to bring together these divergent strands, stressing the need for unity to prevent the spread of “Godless Communism”, which Reagan later labeled an “evil empire”.[113] During the Reagan administration, conservatives also supported the so-called “Reagan Doctrine” under which the U.S., as part of a Cold War strategy, provided military and other support to guerrilla insurgencies that were fighting governments aligned with the Soviet Union.

            Other modern conservative beliefs include opposition to a world government and skepticism about the importance or validity of various environmental issues.[114]

            Most recently, the Tea Party movement, founded in 2009, has proven a large outlet for populist American conservative ideas. Their stated goals include rigorous adherence to the U.S. Constitution, lower taxes, and opposition to a growing role for the federal government in health care. Electorally, it was considered a key force in Republicans reclaiming control of the U.S. House of Representatives in 2010.[115][116]“

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Odd. Dave uses Wikipedia right after he says he doesn’t use Wikipedia. Well, considering the source, I guess it isn’t so odd.

            Liberal has generally been thought of as those who advocate change, while Conservative has generally been thought of as those who want things to stay the same. So, of course the meaning would be different in different cultures. Sorry Dave, I realize that’s a little complex for you.

          • Dave

            For a guy that tested regularly in to 90th percentile, you are being incredibly obtuse about the obvious reason I used that source. But hey, you believe Mises is reality based so there you have it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Have you ever once proven anything at all wrong that any of the Mises authors have penned, Dave?
            You’re like a broken record with your adolescent unsupported smear tactics. But then, that’s all you have, isn’t it, useless Liberal Progressive?
            However, I shouldn’t be so hard on you, because you present an excellent model of a typical Liberal Progressive, and I can’t think of a better way to expose Liberal Progressives to the readers than by your own comments. So, I thank you.

          • Dave

            And you with your theory and can’t admit you are wrong about what a progressive is because you can’t put it out there that if Bush Jr is a progresssive, than so is Reagan, makes you a typical conservative. Conservatives are never responsible for anything, deny reality and bulldose anyone to disagrees with them using religious dogma or in your case faux patriotism and personal attacks. You expose what you are everytime you call a self-described conservative, a progress. Funny and sad at the same time.

          • 5alive5

            ESPECIALLY IN POLITICAL MATTERS???? IE BIG GOVERNMENT!!!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Using Dave’s own definition:
            “a person who is progressive or who favors progress or reform, especially in political matters”.

            It would be a rare person indeed who didn’t favor Progress. So what differentiates a political Progressive from the rest of us? Their penchant to use Big Government to ram their desired reforms down the rest of our collective throats whether we like it or not.
            As with any political discipline, there are two kinds of Progressives — the Leaders and the Followers. The Leaders and their cronies are very purposely growing their Power to seek advantage over the rest of us. The Followers are just Propagandized Dupes who don’t know any better. Which one is Dave? Only he knows for sure, but I suspect by his vociferous comments that he is in the former group.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I can’t help myself. It’s kind of like picking on the mentally handicapped. I just noticed that Dave has spelled Wikipedia 3 different ways — “Wikpedia”, “Wikiepdia”, and “wikepedia” — all 3 wrong. And he wants to convince us of his vast knowledge? LOL.

          • Bob666

            Yo Dave,
            Wikipedia and You-Tube, are you not aware that both are the repository of truth and facts?

          • Dave

            In conservativeland they are… along with Breitbart, Freedomworks and a whole cavalcade of right wing sites people like Jeffrey, Vicki and DaveH like to pass off as credible. Bob taxes it to the next level… He uses sources that source from sources that share his political leanings and tries to pass it off as research and reporting… Its quite funny at times.

          • Bob666

            Yes Dave,
            There is an altered state of reality here, that is for certain. There are two to three that make some very good points and bring facts to the table, but I have to tell you that I spend more time laughing than I do getting anything of real value.

            Most of them comprise the league of extremely old & pissed off white men and a couple of them are convinced they have a clue.

            what you have is about a dozen that dominate this board and about half of them live here all day-every day. You have to wonder if they live in a assisted living facility and can’t get maybe out or suffer from agoraphobia need an outlet.

            No matter the the psychological disorders might be, they do come to the surface here.

          • JeffH

            Progressivism advocate a total break from the principles of freedom articulated in our founding documents, particularly the Declaration of Independence. It seeks to either get around or dismantle limitations on government power, the very constitutional limitations established in the Constitution for the protection of individual freedom.

            In the context of individual freedom progressives seek to roll back, not forward, the hands of progress; they seek regression, not progression.

            Under progressive philosophy, freedom is understood as a condition brought upon individuals by the state, not a right already naturally possessed by the individual. Furthermore, the state decides which groups of people are worthy of such freedom, termed “valuable associations.” Progressives continue to use the word, freedom; they simply redefine its meaning.

      • 5alive5

        All he has to do to prove it to himself is to look at the the scamnesty act. We emailed, phoned, mailed letters, signed petitions till we were blue in the face, AND we stopped it! Supported Bushes policies??? I think not!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Dave says — ” What should have happened is the Patriot Act should have at least had the attempt made to abolish it, even though the GOP would filibuster such an attempt because thats what the GOP does instead of trying to help this nation”.
      Dave is hoping that the majority of readers are ignorant enough not to know that only 1 Democrat Senator voted against the Patriot Act, and only 1/3 of the Democrat Representatives voted against the Patriot Act.
      It’s very likely that Dave is trying to steer the readers away from the knowledge that it doesn’t matter whether they call themselves Democrats or Republicans. What matters is that they are both looking for ways to feather their nests at the expense of the rest of us, and we need to stop them.
      No doubt that Dave is benefiting financially from that Big Government, or he wouldn’t try so hard to divert the readers away from learning the concepts of Freedom.

      • perry

        the renewal of the Patriot Act by lawmakers is all we need to know that they are working together to take us down what I would like to know is what are they going to do with america when they win.

      • JeffH

        You do mean the confessed progressive Dave47D, right?

      • Dave

        How many “conservatives” voted the Patriot Act DaveH? Did they not have the majority in both houses? And it was your conservative president, not progressive Bush Jr that came up with the act in the first place. The Patriot Act does not happen without the conservatives… Sorry.

        • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Dave,

          You write: “How many “conservatives” voted the Patriot Act DaveH?” I assume you are asking how many voted “for” the Patriot Act in 2001. The answer would be zero. There were two conservatives in Congress, and they both voted against it. Despite our previous conversations, you continue to inaccurately use conservative and Republican synonymously. There is a Biblical answer to the question of how we tell them apart. See Matt. 7:16 and Matt. 7:20.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • Dave

            Hi Bob,

            So in 2001, there were no Conservatives as you define them. I see…

            I inaccurately use conservative and Republican in the same sentence? Ok… How about you get straight on what a Liberal or a progressive is and I will give you a hint, they are not associated with Democrats. Liberals and progressives to not want Gov to solve every problem and create this perfect utopia either.

            But that doesn’t stop you or your followers from inaccurately talking about liberals and progressives now does it? Your main follower DaveH seems to think George W Bush is a Progressive. I socialize in Progressive/Liberal circles and he is definately not one of those types yet DaveH wants to lie about that because once again, Conservatives are never responsible for anything.
            Just to clear things up for you on what a Liberal is, Alan Grayson is a liberal. Bernie Sanders is the lone Socialist. If you get straight on what liberals and progressives are, I will adhere to your definition of a conservative. Deal?
            Love and Kisses,
            Dave

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “I socialize in Progressive/Liberal circles and he is definately not one of those types”.
            Poor Dave. He still ignorantly thinks that Liberal Progressives are the only kind of Progressives.

            Dave says — “If you get straight on what liberals and progressives are, I will adhere to your definition of a conservative. Deal?”.

            We’ve done that repeatedly, Dave, and you still ignorantly refuse to learn. For instance, I have posted at least 3 links to articles just today that describe the concept of Progressivism. Can you read?
            Progressives work to create Social Change using Big Government as their tool. Get it? Social Change can include many subjects — environment, education, drug usage, joblessness, etc. etc. etc.

            We’re here, Dave, to educate people who want to be educated. We’re NOT here to futilely try to force ignorant people to learn what they don’t want to learn.

          • Dave

            DaveH,

            Your nonsense mises.org propaganda does not work on me.

            So you contend that big Gov only happens under Progressives? really? So Reagan is a progressive.

            What country with 300M people has limited Gov DaveH?

            You and mises.org have ZERO concept of the complexities of this world.

          • vicki

            ad hominem (specifically “your”)
            argument to ridicule (specifically “nonsense mises.org propaganda)

          • Dave

            Vicki,
            A straight question. Is reagan a progressive? Yes or No

          • vicki

            Question has no meaning as President Reagan is quite dead.

          • Bob666

            side stepping of answer.

          • vicki

            bob666 writes

            side stepping of answer.

            A question without meaning can not be answered therefor your conclusion is in error (Or are you implying that President Reagan still votes?)

          • Bob666

            yea-right,

          • 5alive5

            Boob666, and the guy you ATTEMPT to defend is the master of sidestepping!

          • 5alive5

            sorry guess my finger slipped!

          • Bob666

            Hello 5alive5,
            Just what guy am I defending?

          • Dave

            Ok Vicki,

            WAS Reagan a progressive in your mind? or are you going to weasel your way out of answering the question AGAIN.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You deny the meaning of Progressive, Dave, so how can Vicki’s answer (whatever it is) satisfy you?

            I think I hear the recess bell, Dave. It’s time for you to go.

          • Dave

            LOL… two peas in the pod of denial. DaveH and Vicki, I hate to tell you both but you lost this argument.

            Vicki knows the answer but won’t say and DaveH well… he knows too but must keep up his ideological BS for appearances.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You must be a laugh riot in competitions. Declaring yourself the winner. Why does that not surprise me?
            I guess you haven’t noticed who gets the thumbs up and who gets the thumbs down, Dave.
            As I said earlier, it makes me feel guilty to debate with the mentally handicapped.

          • Dave

            Wow… I guess I need to examine why a liberal on a conservative site gets more thumbs down than up. Wait… You test regularly in the 90th percentile…. Why do you think a liberal on a conservative site gets more thumgs down. Don’t hurt yourself thinking about that one ok?

          • vicki

            Reagan was a President in my mind.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “Your nonsense mises.org propaganda does not work on me”.
            I wouldn’t expect you to learn anything from Mises, Dave, as it takes a modicum of intelligence to grasp what they say.

            Dave says — “You and mises.org have ZERO concept of the complexities of this world”.
            No, Dave, we have great grasp of the fact that Liberal Progressives and other Progressives need to convince people that it is complex, so they can take them compliantly to the cleaners.

          • Dave

            I see you didn’t answer my question again Mr 90th percentile….

            DaveH what country of 300M people or more has this magical form of Gov you keep going on about.

            Put up or… well I don’t want to be accused by the ad hominem police when the lose the argument.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Lose the argument In your mind only, Dave.
            What country has this magical form of Gov? We used to have nearly in the 1800s, and we became the greatest country on this earth as a result.
            Is that your way of thinking? If we don’t already have perfection, we should abandon all efforts to achieve it?
            Why should it surprise me that you would sink to the lowest common denominator instead of striving for greatness?

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Dave,

            You write: “So in 2001, there were no Conservatives as you define them.” That is not what I responded. Reading for comprehension is not your strong suit. Therefore it is fruitless to continue the conversation.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Don 2

            Dave says, “How about you get straight on what a Liberal or a progressive is and I will give you a hint, they are not associated with Democrats.”
            Liberals started calling themselves progressives after the term “liberal” became a dirty word.

            B. Hussain Obama said, “I believe in a whole lot of things that make me a progressive and put me squarely in the Democratic camp.”

            Hillary Clinton said during the Democratic debate, “I consider myself a modern progressive.”

          • WTS/JAY

            What a pathetic sac of garbage you are, Dave. Or is it, Flashy?

          • Dave

            Vicki writes,
            Ad hominem for Jay.

          • vicki

            Oh look the parrot attempts to speak for me.

      • vicki

        It is also worth noting that in 2009-2010 with Democrats in super majority control of the House and Filibuster proof Senate and a Democrat in the White House they didn’t even try to repeal the patriot act.

        • Dave

          Wrong!!!!

          Please look up the makeup of the US Senate. There were 41 GOP senators in the Senate. Guess what? That is enough to filibuster. They only reason Obamacare got to the floor of the Senate for a vote, the Senators of maine were not complete partisan hacks for 5 minutes.

          Please look it up.
          Nothing gets passed from 2006-til today without BOTH parties agreeing in this hyper-partisan world.

          • vicki

            RINOs disable filibuster.

            Also worth noting that no attempt was made to repeal the patriot act such that a filibuster would even be attempted.

          • Dave

            You said super-majority Vicki and you are quite simply…. wrong.

          • vicki

            sorry I put my response out of place above.

          • WTS/JAY

            Nicely done, Vicky!!!

          • WTS/JAY

            Ooooh, an inconsequential-technicality. What a pathetic display of desperation. Regardless, Vicky proved you wrong. As well, she exposed you for the conniving-lair you are!

          • vicki

            And he is still avoiding the question of why they didn’t even try.

          • WTS/JAY

            His trademark!

          • Dave

            “The Dems did not try to repeal the Patriot Act because they are paid by many of the same masters that pay the GOP.”

            Thank you. If you bothered to read my above post which of course… you didn’t.

          • vicki

            Sorry I missed your answer. Typically you should try and answer in the proper place in the tread. I know that this is hard with this new discus forum controller.

          • vicki

            Dave writes

            You said super-majority Vicki and you are quite simply…. wrong.

            How simply embarrassing…..

            for you.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress

          • Dave

            Yes, for you….

            Here is the offical makeup of the US Senate since Bush was president. Do you see at ANYTIME the GOP number below 40? That would be filibuster-proof majority. The Dems never had it

            107th 2001–2003 100 D-50 R-50

            108th 2003–2005 100 48 51 1

            109th 2005–2007 100 44 55 1

            110th 2007–2009 100 49 49 2

            111th 2009–2011 100 57 41 2

            112th 2011–2013 100 51 47 2

            113th 2013–2015 100 54 45 1
            You may want to stop before you embarrass yourself further

          • vicki

            The difference between your list and mine is that mine comes with a link to verify the data.

            “The Democratic Party theoretically had a 60% filibuster-proof super majority in the Senate for most of the time period between July 7, 2009, when Al Franken (D) won a contested seat, and February 4, 2010, when Scott Brown (R) replaced Paul Kirk (D). However, Ted Kennedy’s
            terminal illness kept him out of Washington from March 2009 until his
            death on August 25. The Democrats’ 60% supermajority only became a
            practical reality on September 24 when Kennedy’s replacement Paul Kirk
            was seated.”

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress

            And of course begs the question
            Why didn’t the democrats TRY to repeal the Patriot act?

          • Dave

            LOL wikiepedia????

            And even your quote has the term “theoretically”. Why don’t you look at the official record which I gave you. Look up the official record, not Wikepedia.

            Just stop while you are behind.

            The dems did not try to repeal the Patriot Act because they are paid by many of the same masters that pay the GOP. That does not take away from the fact that the UNPatriot act was started by people in Gov that did not call themselves, liberals, democrats, socialists, progressives… They call themselves conservative. Just like Reagan, Bush Jr was a conservative in that exact same mold.

          • 5alive5

            Really Dave? then why did your hero Joe Biden try to take credit for it??? Out of his own mouth, the truth FINALLY comes!

          • vicki

            Dave writes:

            UNPatriot act was started by people in Gov that did not call themselves, liberals, democrats, socialists, progressives… They call themselves
            conservative.

            Typically they call themselves bureaucrats. However the writers appear to claim to be Republicans and Democrats. Kinda depends on what you mean by “writing” the patriot act.

            http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2004/02/62388

            http://www.nndb.com/people/273/000044141/

            http://killfile.newsvine.com/_news/2008/08/25/1783040-in-1995-joe-biden-basically-wrote-the-patriot-act

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            While I really don’t care about the issue, I can’t help but comment on Dave’s continued ignorance.
            Dave says — “LOL wikiepedia????

            More of the same argument by ridicule tactics so often used by useless Liberal Progressives like Dave, whose arguments can’t stand on their own without the accompanying manipulation. And, surprise, he misspelled Wikipedia again.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Did the Democrats try to repeal the Patriot Act, Dave?
            Why are you still trying to make it a Partisan issue when it clearly is desired by the majority of members of both parties?
            The truth is that the puppet-masters win whichever party you root for. It’s like ignorantly chanting for your favorite football team. The owners of the league don’t care who you root for, as long as you attend their games and make them richer.
            Why do I spend my time trying to educate such a pig-headed guy as Dave? I don’t. That would be a waste of my time. I’m just trying to keep him from poisoning other vulnerable minds.

          • Dave

            No the Dems did not. So they are equally at fault but it was the GOP and people who refre to themselves as conservatives. And both parties are beholden to many of the same corp masters.
            I saw your links to your biased sources on was constitutes a progressive and sorry Dave, not buying what your biased sites are trying to sell. Bush has not been or will ever be a progressive and you spouting off that he is doesn’t make it so.
            You are simply lying about Progressives and throwing anyone who disagrees with your philosophy into a nice and neat box.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Wah!
            Does this mean you’re going to take your binky away from me?
            The more of your comments I read, Dave, the more I realize how truly ignorant you are.

          • 5alive5

            Dave, Are you saying Scamnesty was NOT a progressive act??? Give me a break!!

        • WTS/JAY

          True! In fact, they overwhelmingly supported it! Especially the big-names…

          Congress re-authorized the Patriot Act in 2006. And although a majority of House Democrats voted against re-authorization, only 9 Senate Democrats voted against it. But some of the biggest power-brokers in the Democratic-Party supported the re-authorization of the Patriot Act; in particular, former Representative Rahm Emanuel, who became Obama’s Chief of Staff in 2009.

          Senators Clinton, Biden, Kennedy, and Reid also voted for the re-authorization. And, the most powerful Democrat — PRESIDENT OBAMA — VOTED for re-authorization. Democrats blather on about the Patriot-Act to be the “poster child” of abuse by the Bush-administration, yet, a strong majority of Democrats voted for the legislation, and Senate Democrats, including PRESIDENT OBAMA, VOTED to re-authorize the provision.

      • 5alive5

        TheoriginalDaveH

        That sounds an awful lot like I was FOR it before I was AGAINST it!! Democrats ALL!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      We were paying attention and Conservatives and Libertarians were sending up warnings, but maybe you were asleep in spite of the clamors.

      • rbrooks

        are those the same conservatives that voted for the patriot act? the same ones who told us if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. the same ones that complain about the debt, but conveniently forget it was reagan and the gop who started this borrow and spend fiasco.

        articles of impeachment were brought against bush. not by conservatives or libertarians. but by democrats.

        Articles 24 and 25 charge the president with illegally spying on
        American citizens, directing US telecom companies to create databases of
        citizens, and violating the fourth amendment of the US Constitution.

        • perry

          do you have any way to stop the down turn of this gangs take over of America in my mind there is only one way.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Those weren’t Conservatives, rbrooks, they were Neoconservatives.

          The forces of evil are constantly trying to co-opt the meaning of words so as to keep the average citizens confused, so that they (the FOE) can dominate us.

          • rbrooks

            many of the posters on this site claim to be conservatives or libertarians. but they are really reagan republicans.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Because that is how you want to define Conservatives so you could point your finger at them and say “see they caused problems too” and they followed Reagan.

          • rbrooks

            well, if the shoe fits.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That is such nonsense. How do you know what any random poster is?

          • KG

            I place my hands on the monitor and pray “By the power of our lord an Savior, Bill Gates, I imbibe thee with the power of the holy MSDOS!”

            And if dat don’t work, there are few circumstances where the proper application of high explosives won’t solve!

          • JeffH

            That’s hilarious!
            Very few posters here actually lay claim to their political bent outright but there are some that do lay claim to what they are not.

          • vicki

            proof by bald assertion

          • WTS/JAY

            Some of the posters on this site claim to be liberals or democrats. But they are really Bush supporters, since they support the continuation of Bush-policies by and through the obama-administration!

          • rbrooks

            same can be said of many of those who claim to be republican, conservative or libertarian.
            the amusing part is that many of those who supported bush, now denounce obama.

            the are two of a kind. all that changed was the name.

          • vicki

            Many of those who denounced Bush now support obama.

          • WTS/JAY

            rbrooks: the amusing part is that many of those who supported bush, now denounce obama.

            The amusing part is that many of those who denounced bush, now support obama, who voted for the authorization of the Patriot-Act.

          • rbrooks

            very good. now we know that liberals, conservatives, republicans, democrats and libertarians are the same.

          • WTS/JAY

            No, now we know that the two-parties, are one and the same!

          • rbrooks

            as are their respective supporters. libertarians are no different.

          • vicki

            What we know is that Congress is not representing us (which necessarily includes telling us no when we demand unconstitutional laws)

            We know they continue to spend OUR money and borrow a lot more and spend it too.

            We know that the party platforms of Republicans and Democrats and Libertarians are different.

            We know that The Libertarian party is the only one of principle and will continue to be until they get too much power then they might also follow the Democrats and Republicans in their behavior.

            Until then voting Libertarian is our best hope. (Assumes that there is any chance that voting has not been totally compromised.)

          • rbrooks

            i am not certain that the libertarian candidates will really be any different.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It depends on how vigilant we are. There will certainly be attempted infiltration by the Privilege Seekers. It’s up to us to study the issues, watch the candidates closely, and prevent that.

          • rbrooks

            i would agree. we need a faster way to remove those that prove to be… incapable.

          • Dave

            Neoconservative- A made up term to coverup conservative mistakes in the eyes of other conservatives.

            Notice how nobody is called a “neo-liberal” in the national lexicon.

            Conservatives are never responsible.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave — A shill who spouts unsupported nonsense in the vain hope that ignorant people will avoid learning reality from Personal Liberty.

            And speaking of “neo-liberal”s, indeed the term Liberal was co-opted long ago by those who we now call Liberals. The original Liberals (Classical Liberals) were Freedom-loving people who knew that Government was generally composed of a gang of self-serving people seeking special privileges and advantages over the general population of people.
            The modern-day Liberals are anything but that kind of people. Instead, the modern-day Liberals want to ram their pet choices down everybody else’s unwilling throats using Big Government as their ramming agents.

          • Dave

            DaveH,

            Sorry Mises.org is not a credible source for political leanings. You go to anyone in the street and you try and say GWB is a progressive, they will laugh at you as I am right now.
            Bob, you and the rest of the conservatives are all too happy to generalize liberals and progressives and to make false statements about what we believe but you can’t stand it when it gets done right back to you. Too bad, s sad.
            If Obama is a liberal, then George W Bush, Reagan are conservative. You don’t get to change the rules DaveH.

          • vicki

            argument to ridicule (specifically “Sorry Mises.org is not a credible source for political leanings.”)

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You are not a credible source, Dave, to determine whether any other source is credible or not.
            And two of the links I provided were not even from Mises, ignoramus.
            Dave says — “You go to anyone in the street and you try and say GWB is a progressive, they will laugh at you as I am right now”.
            That’s why I consistently test well above the 90th percentile, Dave, while you do not. I don’t get my knowledge from “street people”.
            Dave says — “If Obama is a liberal, then George W Bush, Reagan are conservative”.

            What a fine piece of logic that is, Dave (NOT). I see why you’re struggling with the issue.

          • 5alive5

            Well, Obambam isn’t a liberal, he’s a totally different kind of crook wearing the liberal coat! He sure as he!! isn’t any kind of conservative either!

          • Dave

            Kinda like Conservatives forcing Christianity on the state of NC by making it the “official” religion, or passing laws forbidding Gay marriage or outlawing abortion. Conservatives know all about ramming crap down everyone else’s throat.
            DaveH, any more extreme bits of hypocrisy to favor us with today?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            They aren’t Conservatives, Dave, they are Neoconservatives. True Conservatives don’t try to use Big Government as their bully boys to force their way on other people.
            And where was my hypocrisy, Dave?
            Feel free to point it out specifically if you can. (you can’t).

          • Dave

            I keep forgetting DaveH, any conservative you disagree with is called a neoconservative. A liberal I disagree with is called…. another liberal.
            Funny how that works DaveH

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Duh. I categorize, Dave, so that the readers understand which class of people I’m talking about. Unlike your broad indiscriminate attacks.

          • JeffH

            It’s Dave47D, not 5alive5(JoeH)

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Thanks Jeff. I love the new edit feature.

        • WTS/JAY

          rbrooks: are those the same conservatives that voted for the patriot act?

          Congress re-authorized the Patriot Act in 2006. And although a majority of House Democrats voted against re-authorization, only 9 Senate Democrats voted against it. But some of the biggest power-brokers in the Democratic-Party supported the re-authorization of the Patriot Act; in particular, former Representative Rahm Emanuel, who became Obama’s Chief of Staff in 2009.

          Senators Clinton, Biden, Kennedy, and Reid also voted for the re-authorization. And, the most powerful Democrat — PRESIDENT OBAMA — VOTED for re-authorization. You Democrats blather on about the Patriot-Act to be the “poster child” of abuse by the Bush-administration, yet, a strong majority of Democrats voted for the legislation, and Senate Democrats, including PRESIDENT OBAMA, VOTED to re-authorize the provision.

          rbrooks: the same ones who told us if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

          Obama: If you can’t trust us, we’re going to have some problems.

          rbrooks: the same ones that complain about the debt, but conveniently forget it was reagan and the gop who started this borrow and spend fiasco.

          Who is responsible for our debt, the Deomcrats Or the Republicans? If you say both are to blame for our enormous debt, you would, of course be right. But can we be more specific as to which Party carries the most blame? Yes we can, thanks to the efforts of the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO).

          http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/07/cbo_how_we_swung_from_56_trillion_projected_surpluses_to_62_trillion_actual_deficits.html

          rbrooks: articles of impeachment were brought against bush. not by conservatives or libertarians. but by democrats.

          Ninety-five articles of impeachment have been brought against Obama. Not by liberals or democrats, but by the Tea-party.
          Articles 24 and 25 charge the president with illegally spying on
          American citizens, directing US telecom companies to create databases of
          citizens, and violating the fourth amendment of the US Constitution.

          • WTS/JAY

            rbrooks: Articles 24 and 25 charge president Bush with illegally spying on American citizens, directing US telecom companies to create databases of citizens, and violating the fourth amendment of the US Constitution.

            ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

            RESOLVED, That Barack Hussein Obama, President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following article of impeachment to be exhibited to the Senate:

            ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT EXHIBITED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN THE NAME OF ITSELF AND OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AGAINST BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, IN MAINTENANCE AND SUPPORT OF ITS IMPEACHMENT AGAINST HIM FOR HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS IN USURPING THE EXCLUSIVE PREROGATIVE OF CONGRESS TO COMENCE WAR UNDER ARTICLE 1, SECTION 8, CLAUSE 11 OF THE CONSTITUTION.

            ARTICLE I

            In his conduct of the office of President of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has usurped the exclusive power of Congress to initiate war under Article I, section 8, clause 11 of the United States Constitution by unilaterally commencing war against the Republic of Libya on March 19, 2011, declaring that Congress is powerless to constrain his conduct of the war, and claiming authority in the future to commence war unilaterally to advance whatever he ordains is in the national interest. By so doing and declaring, Barack Hussein Obama has mocked the rule of law, endangered the very existence of the Republic and the liberties of the people, and perpetrated an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor as hereinafter elaborated…

            http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0411/GOP_lawyer_circulates_Obama_impeachment_articles.html

    • JeffH

      Progressive Dave47D sounds like a broken record!

      POLLY WANT A CRACKER? baaarrraaaccckkkkkk!

      What you keep hearing is this little voice on your shoulder whispering “you’re a usefull idiot” over and over…and you keep proving that little voice is right.

      I’m no fan of the Repugnantcan party but you’re telling some lies that just ain’t true.
      ________________________________________
      Former Louisiana Democrat Sen. Elbert Guillory talks about how the welfare state is only a mechanism for politicians to control the black community.

      “So my brothers and sisters of the American community, please join with me today in abandoning the government plantation, and the party of disappointment, so that we may all echo the words of one Republican leader, who famously said, ‘Free at last, free at last, thank God Almighty, we are free at last’.”
      http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/06/video-black-louisiana-senator-explains-switch-from-dem-to-gop-abandons-the-government-plantation-2666432.html

      • Dave

        get to the range and squeeze off a few JeffH, you are making less sense than usual.

        • JeffH

          “Audiences are always better pleased with a smart retort, some joke or epigram, than with any amount of reasoning.” – Charlotte Perkins Gilman

          • Dave

            “POLLY WANT A CRACKER? baaarrraaaccckkkkkk!”
            exactly JeffH, exactly…

          • JeffH

            Ahhhh, back on your perch I see!

          • Bob666

            ad hominem by Moron.

          • WTS/JAY

            Why would you call Dave a Moron?

          • 5alive5

            Are you saying there’s not good reason????

          • WTS/JAY

            No, not at all. I was just surprised that a Moron would call another Moron, a Moron.

          • Bob666

            As Always Jay, I see you are keen on observation.

          • WTS/JAY

            Yes, it appears i know you quite well!

          • Bob666

            Oh Jay,
            Me thinks that you thinks that you know far more that you actually do.

          • WTS/JAY

            And me thinks that thinking is not exactly your forte.

          • JeffH

            666 the repeating parrot…likes to repeat everything he never thought of…too bad it’s not smart enough to learn anything original.

            666 WANT A CRACKER? Progressive Dave like me, myyyy freind, myyy hero!…baaarrraaaccckkkkkk!
            (ad hominem about a couple of morons)

          • 5alive5

            He!! JeffH, he’s fallen off that perch so many times he’s punch drunk!!!

          • JeffH

            Joe, You know you’ve always managed to make me smile or laugh…glad you’re back.

        • vicki

          ad hominem (Specifically “you are making less sense than usual”)

        • 5alive5

          Whaaaaa! Big bad guns are going to hurt me!!!!!! Give it a rest Dave!!

    • John Myers

      Dear Dave,
      I was writing for Agora at the time and was outraged over the Patriot Act and the war in Iraq. My publisher and me took a lot of flack over what I was writing then. So that is where I was.
      Sincerely,
      John Myers

      • Dave

        Dear John,

        If that is the case, then thats good…. too many conservatives just fell in line with the load that Bush Inc was putting over.

        Todays GOP are just shills for big business as are most Dems and its funny to hear that if only the “real” conservatives in the GOP had more power, everything will be fine. Follow the money.
        This whole program was Bush’s baby and had its origins with conservatives, not liberals. Obama is guilty of adding too it but make no mistake, the rank and file GOP love their Patriot Act because it helps keep up in a perpetual state of war and that keeps their oil and defense contractor clients happy.

        • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Dave,

          You write: “but make no mistake, the rank and file GOP love their Patriot Act because it helps keep up in a perpetual state of war and that keeps their oil and defense contractor clients happy.” Once again you are the one mistaken. The rank-and-file is the hio polloi. They get no benefit from the perpetual war or oil and defense contracts, and in fact are hurt by it in a number of ways. The GOP elected class loves the Patriot Act, as does the Democrat elected class. Both of them do benefit from perpetual war and oil and defense contracts.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • Dave

            Hmmm… since 2001 when Phil Gramm inserted language loosening regs around speculatory oil trading, what happened to the price of oil? How about in 2003 when we invaded an oil producing country and sent jitters through the market? Gas prices went through the roof as did oil profits.

            Now, the defense business is all over this nation and especially championed by the GOP, if we are not in war or have a threat in front of our faces, there is no justification for the 700B we spend on defense every year and therefore, budgets and weapon systems get cut and people lose their jobs which then hurts these congresspeople with these firms in their states and districts. So do not hand me that they are hurt since most of their sons and daughters are not the ones fighting these wars the GOP started up.

            Without these people who fall all over themselves calling themselves “proud conservatives” in Congress, Iraq does not happen. Most of the congresspeople in the biggest oil regions in the nation (Texas, LA, AK, MS, LA, OK, ND) they are Conservative GOP by their own admission.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Dave,

            Your comment indicates you either did not read my response or you are incapable of understanding it. Further conversation with you is, therefore, fruitless.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Dave

            Bob writes,

            “They get no benefit from the perpetual war or oil and defense contracts, and in fact are hurt by it in a number of ways.”
            I am waiting for you to tell me how the GOP was hurt. Bush was relected based on war and the GOPers are a bizarrely loyal bunch to that party of criminals.
            Maybe you can explain

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Bob was right, Dave. You have no reading comprehension.
            Bob said “They [Hoi Polloi] get no benefit”. He’s talking about the masses, dum dum, NOT the GOP Leaders. The Neoconservative Progressive Followers are just as clueless to what’s really going on as the Liberal Progressive Followers are. The Leaders like it that way.
            Now pardon me while I hunt for a Fourth Grade dictionary so I can figure out how to better explain it to you.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Where was your outrage when they forced Obama bin Laden Care and the NDAA on us? Here is something that Obama bin Laden has never thought about.
            http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/finally-its-here-american-made-stores/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “Without religion, this world would be something ot fit to be mentioned in polite company: I mean hell.”
            John Adams
            2nd President of the U.S.
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Those readers, who don’t want to remain in the pitiful state of ignorance that Dave chooses, should read this book and waken to the reality of regulations:
            http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Ripoff-Business-Government/dp/0471789070

            For sure, Dave might not really be as ignorant as he sounds. Maybe, he just wants you to be.

          • vicki

            And keep in mind that big business can’t steal your money without the power of big government.

          • WTS/JAY

            He may not be as ignorant as he sounds, but he’s definitely the lying-prog his posts reveal him to be!

          • laura merrone

            These are not real Conservatives and have deviated from the Constitution. Iraq was not a threat to us and it was an undeclared war so that was against the Constitution. Both Liberals and Conservatives violate the Constitution all the time…

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So I can freely say that you would agree with the author David Rothkopf in his book SUPERCLASS: The Global Power Elite and the World They Are Making, that we the population of the United States are really nonentities in the development of the elite ruled New World Order. We are being corralled into a pen that has been already built for us. The Dem/Progs/Leftists have already been penned up and it is the Conservatives and Libertarians which are the hold outs but it will be the “middle class’ and Evangelical Christianity which will twisted not unlike what Hitler did in Germany.

        • speedle

          Dave, you and other liberals continue to operate under the fallacy that conservative Republicans are in sync with “big business”. Try to understand that if anything it is the mainstream democratic party that is in bed with big business. following a distant second in that regard are the RINOs, but “conservative” Republicans are supporters of “small” business (that employs the majority of Americans). So if your political philosophy is based upon a different premise, you are very very mistaken.

          Big Business – Crony Capitalism – legislative protection = Democrat political machine.

          Personal freedom – support for small enterprise – preservation of real competition = Conservative GOP.

        • laura merrone

          Bush was not a true Conservative but was a Progressive like Clinton and Obama. We didn’t realize it at the time but realized it later after seeing how he was deviating from the Constitution with the war in Iraq.

        • WTS/JAY

          The Patriot Act was written by members of the Justice Department under the name “The Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001″, and introduced into the House of Representatives by Rep. Sensenbrenner under the title Provide Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (PATRIOT) Act of 2001.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_act#Details

          Who were “the members of the Justice Department”?

          Michael Chertoff and Viet D. Dinh.

          Michael Chertoff was the second United States Secretary of Homeland Securityunder President George W. Bush and co-author of the USA PATRIOT Act. He previously served as a judge on theUnited States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, as a federal prosecutor, and asAssistant U.S. Attorney General.

          Viet D. Dinh is a lawyer and a conservative legal scholar who served as an Assistant Attorney General of the United States from 2001 to 2003, under the presidency of George W. Bush. Born in Saigon, in the former South Vietnam, he was the chief architect of theUSA PATRIOT Act and is a member of theBoard of Directors ofNews Corporation.
          http://www.politicolnews.com/chertoffs-role-in-the-patriot-act/

          But, according to Joe Biden, the Patriot Act 2001 is based on what Joe Biden wrote in 1995, his Omnibus Counterterrorism Act.

          http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/joe-biden-drafted-the-core-of-the-patriot-act-in-1995-before-the-oklahoma-city-bombing.html

        • 5alive5

          Dave,
          Where was your outrage when Obambam strengthened and took the powers of the patriot act even FURTHER? I was against the patriot act but what Obambam has done with it is even WORSE!

    • vicki

      Where was Mr Myers and the rest of the faux outrage parade when conservatives passed the UNPatriot Act

      Protesting as loudly about it then as we do now.

    • WTS/JAY

      Dave: I have a question:
      Where was Mr. Myers and the rest of the faux outrage parade when conservatives passed the UNPatriot Act after conservatives dropped the ball on protecting this country and let 9/11 happen?

      Nice attempt to mislead, Dave. The truth is, Congress re-authorized the Patriot Act in 2006. And although a majority of House Democrats voted against re-authorization, only 9 Senate Democrats voted against it. But some of the biggest power-brokers in the Democratic-Party supported the re-authorization of the Patriot Act; in particular, former Representative Rahm Emanuel, who became Obama’s Chief of Staff in 2009.

      Senators Clinton, Biden, Kennedy, and Reid also voted for the re-authorization. And, the most powerful Democrat — PRESIDENT OBAMA — VOTED for re-authorization. You Democrats blather on about the Patriot-Act to be the “poster child” of abuse by the Bush-administration, yet, a strong majority of Democrats voted for the legislation, and Senate Democrats, including PRESIDENT OBAMA, VOTED to re-authorize the provision.

      Dave: They were all lock step behind their hero at the time, George W Bush.

      Just as you and your brood are all lock and step behind your hero, Hussein-Barrack, who is not only continuing with the same Bush policies, but further expanding them, and all to the cheering and full support from Democrats; which technically makes you all, Bush-supporters! Nice going, you gutless-hypocrites!

      Dave: They seem to forget the GOP news channel (Fox News) and their multi-colored threat level alert nonsense to keep up the fear so they buy into the UN Patriot Act and criminal activities like IRAQ.

      The same multi-colored threat-level alert nonsense to keep up the fear so they buy into the UN Patriot Act and criminal activities like IRAQ, continues today, Dave; but this time, through and via the msnbc ! So what’s your point, hypocrite?

      Dave: On the issue of the Patriot Act, Obama has failed. What should have happened is the Patriot Act should have at least had the attempt made to abolish it, even though the GOP would filibuster such an attempt because thats what the GOP does instead of trying to help this nation.

      Bullsh*t, and you know it! Mr. hussein has yet to, nor has he ever, voiced the desire to do away with the “act”.

      Dave:I keep hearing the term RINO as if there are GOPers out there that are not garbage. Since the days of Reagan, the GOP has become the party of big business, racism and national security failure along with anti-freedom activities.

      Nothing has changed under the current-administration. If anything, they’re worse! Except, the Azz-party has always been the party of big business, racism and national security failure along with anti-freedom activities.

      Dave: The solutions we seek will not come from the GOP as long as they still are who they are. Their record when they achieve power is quite clear.

      The solutions we seek will not come from the Azz-party either!

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Parents & Grandparent, be AWARE:
    Schools Take YOUR Children´s Biometric Data WITHOUT the parents’ consent.
    http://lastresistance.com/2373/schools-take-biometric-data-parents-unaware/

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    ¿Is it not a Tyranny?
    According to National Review, an 8th grade boy is facing up to one year in prison because he wore an NRA shirt to school. Here’s an excerpt from the New York Daily News:
    “The clothing kerfuffle began when Marcum wore a shirt bearing the NRA’s logo and a hunting rifle. As he stood in line in the cafeteria, a teacher ordered him to either change shirts or turn it inside out. Marcum declined and was sent to the office, where an officer was dispatched after he again refused to comply with the school’s request. Cops arrested him and charged him with disrupting the educational process and obstructing an officer.”
    Now, the boy is facing a $500 fine, and up to a year in the joint…for wearing a tee shirt.
    http://lastresistance.com/2376/8th-grader-faces-year-in-prison-for-wearing-nra-tee-to-school/

    • JeffH

      Really pathetic isn’t it? God bless this kid and the other students that decided to join him in wearing their “NRA” tee shirts when he, wearing the same tee shirt, returned back to school with nary a peep from the school administration.

    • perry

      yes an 8 year old he is not old enough to know what the shirts words mean an other move by Obama and his gang to take over the cop who worked with the school should be put in prison and see how that would change his mind about what he is doing.the schools are to teach kids not put them in jail how did the schools get so much power.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    South Carolina Congressman Jeff Duncan: We Should Investigate Obama’s “Phony Identification Papers”
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/congressman-we-should-investigate-obamas-phony-identification-papers/

    • guest

      AMEN

      if he were born on TV in the Heartland of America

      obomination’s father would still disqualify him from being pres, by his own words, John McCain could run for office of the President because he was born at that time on US soil of two American citizen parents

      who hides their birth certificate, who hides their school records, who has a SS# from a state they never lived in, who went to a college where even the faculty does not remember him, where there is not a single soul that remembers him at a recent reunion, who puts the muslim brotherhood in power where once we had imperfect, but allies, who has a wife that can NOW be proud for the first time of being an American and smirks at the flag of ‘her’ nation

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Project Veritas (James O’Keefe’s organization) investigates a $2.2 billion dollar LifeLine Program (aka ‘Obama Phones’) and finds disturbing evidence of employees saying they can sell the phones to buy heroin and expensive handbags. Contains brief strong language.
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/uncovered-obama-phones-sold-to-buy-drugs/

    • 5alive5

      The problem with that was they didn’t go after the manager of the store and any higher-ups that were responsible for TRAINING him. the store owner should lose his license, or at least his ability to distribute these things! The plan should have a lot more controls as well! Let’s face it, NOTHING the government controls turns out well!!! Waste, criminal activity, and theft abide!

  • DonnaAngelStar

    Obama, Frank Marshall Davis’ Love Child

    • rhondareichel

      he looks more like Malcolm X to me

  • rbrooks

    most americans supported the patriot act. most of you support current gun and gun ownership laws. in fact, most of you support all of the current exceptions and restrictions to the constitution and the bill of rights.
    how can you complain now?
    this was the predicated, predictable and inevitable conclusion.

    did you really believe that the govt would not come for you?

    • rhondareichel

      yep that’s right rbrooks….they have no right to complain
      I hope they wise up and vote only for constitutionally sound candidates from here on out…..and that AIN’T ROMNEY OR MC CAIN

    • 5alive5

      I beg your pardon??? I don’t support any gun laws that restrict gun ownership EXCEPT for mentally unstable people that have DEMONSTRATED that they ARE unstable! you should NOT have to register, you should NOT have to have a permit, and the only background check you should have is if you write a check for the dam thing and they want to make sure the check is GOOD!

      • vicki

        There are multiple “Dave” s here so rbrooks may have confused you with the one who is obviously anti-gun.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Care to show the restrictions of what firearms we can posses according to our God-given rights as are written in the 2nd Amendment? Ooops! There are none. Looks like you have lost. Here is a video for you to watch and learn from.
      http://www.conservativevideos.com/2013/06/former-navy-seal-the-only-thing-that-stops-a-bad-guy-with-a-gun-is-a-good-guy-with-a-gun/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “I have examined all religions, and the result is that the Bible is the best book in the world.”
      John Adams
      2nd President of the U.S.
      Founding father
      Devout Christian

  • hungry4food

    I have to agree with Senator Paul and Judge Napolitano , when are we suppose to Know they Either Party Elite Establishment Career politicians who are trying to stay in POWER are telling us the truth about any of this stuff when it is to their benefit to Lie because they were Caught Building Political Points and Voting interest by trying to claim the WAR on TERROR is Over but secretly spying on NOT JUST THE ENEMY but the POLITICAL OPPONENTS TOO ?????

    Sen. Rand Paul on NSA surveillance: ‘I’m not sure when I’m being
    lied to’ now

    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/19/sen-rand-paul-nsa-surveillance-im-not-sure-when-im/#ixzz2WfvBYY63

    Judge Napolitano Slams Gen. Alexander Not Answer Question in NSA Hearing: TRUST US?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Maybe it is about time people started finding out what is truth and what are lies and how to differentiate the two when the same words are used, and the sentences are combined alike.

      • hungry4food

        We need more people voting in the society. Most that don’t have become disillusioned with the process . This is where the person who runs and sticks to the claim of being a constitutionalist and will uphold the confinements not just say it could rally support bring many from all factions of the society together and isolate these Ideologists .
        If we want to STOP tyranny this is whats going to have to happen !!!!!!

        • JeffH

          “We need more people voting in the society.”

          I’m not 100% sure but I just don’t believe voting makes a difference anymore.

          I’m not suggesting that we don’t vote…I’m suggesting that the vote is rigged.

          As Mr. Meyer intimated, we’re very close to going past the tipping point.

          I’m very afraid that our choices to return us back to a Constitutional Republic are very limited.

          This liberal progressive agenda… is the antithesis of who we are as a constitutional republic.
          – Col. Allen West

          • hungry4food

            Time to DOG PILE the threat of Information compiling with More Freedom of Speech Freedom of Expression from everyone !!!

            Fill their Data banks till they OVER FLOW with what we the people THINK Overwhelm their System !!!!!!!

          • JeffH

            Yepper!

          • 5alive5

            Hey JeffH, I figured out that Obambam doesn’t want the illegal’s vote. They’re not dead yet!!!! I got an uncle who’s been dead twenty years and there was an “I VOTED FOR OBAMA” sticker on his headstone!!!

          • JeffH

            That’s funny…imagine that!

        • rhondareichel

          we had our chance TWICE with Ron Paul who was the only constitutional candidate…..the people said give us Barrabbas

          • hungry4food

            This mentality in the academia teaching our younger generations thus creating a confusing generation hesitant about anything now EVEN the US Constitution is why e are Falling APART at the SEEMS , all in the name of PEAK EARTH IDEOLOGY !!!!!!

            ITS right HERE ; http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/32367

          • laura merrone

            We would have voted for him but knew he wouldn’t win the election because nobody else cared. So we voted for the one who might have won despite his not so perfect record. Unfortunately, Obama won twice. Also, voting for Ron Paul would’ve split the party and we didn’t want that to happen. We would only have voted for him if he had been the nominee. We like him and if he or his son runs again we will vote for him in spite of our friends or the media putting them down. Both of them are trying to go by the Constitution and reading his book about freedom changed our minds. (my husband’s and mine.)

          • vicki

            voting for the lessor of 2 evils still gets you evil.

            Just think if just 1/2 of all the folk who said they would have voted for Ron Paul but didn’t cause he “couldn’t” win how much closer to winning Ron Paul would have come.

          • 5alive5

            He might have won when you figure the dumb people that don’t have an opinion and vote late to vote for the one projected to win! Ron Paul would have shook the political tree till the fruit fell!!

          • laura merrone

            I agree with you; we screwed up but didn’t understand until I read his book. So more people need to pay attention and read and research before they vote…

    • perry

      you can not trust any thing that the leader of DHS says she does not know how to tell the truth.she lied about the number of bullets she ordered. you see that these people are controlled by someone that the people of know nothing about all of the lawmakers are in this together the GOP leaders and the demos are working to destroy America I would say let all of them go to hell kick their buts out start over we would not be any worse off for the move.

      • rhondareichel

        exactly Perry….it’s BOTH parties

    • rhondareichel

      Judge Napolitano would make a great president

      • hungry4food

        The Chomskys of the elite establishment know exactly what they are
        doing …. they have systematically made the US Constitution seem Racial
        with the development of the Political Correct Generation , even NOW
        introducing this fundamental transformation in the form of a Immigration
        Amnesty Bill that will further EMPOWER the Establishment with a
        majority Vote , all in the name of Saving Earth from Peak Earth … PEAK
        EARTH Ideology is whats Driving this
        !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • 5alive5

        He would make a better supreme court Judge! He has the common sense that about half of them LACK!! Take, for instance, the judgment handed down lately against Arizona that their requirement to have proof of citizenship to register to vote was unconstitutional. UNBELIEVEABLE!!!

        • JeffH

          Oh how nice that would be.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            I second that motion. But first, we have to have another president. Here is an article that shows the argument for abortion and slavery look similar.
            http://www.lifenews.com/2013/06/18/agruments-for-abortion-and-slavery-look-very-similar/
            I guess this is what has happened with the 5th column in this country over the years. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. Good to see you bak Joe H!
            “The true Christian is the true citizen.”
            Theodore Roosevelt

          • 5alive5

            Thanks friend. you never answered me, How is the wife doin? hope all is well with the lovely lady! I mean that in ALL good taste!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Sook Young and I are doing great. She wants to come back to the site, but she is very busy these days. I’m currently on “summer break” and I am taking a class on American History 1760 – 1800. I hope I can use this, along with various sources, against the 5th columners (libs, progs, secularists, commies, socialists, atheists) on this site. How is your family doing? Keep up the good fight fellow patriot! Here is an article about how the 5th column doesn’t want us to have security on our southern border.
            http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/18/senate-rejects-border-fence/#.UcC8kla5zTg.facebook
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “Restore unto me the joy of Thy salvation; and uphold me with Thy free spirit. Then will I teach transgressors Thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto Thee.”
            Psalms 51:12 – 13

    • vicki

      It’s easy to tell when you are being lied to. They are speaking.

  • $8012302

    FDR was socialist elitists who was on his way to dictatorship by buying supporters with our money just as Obama has done along with other presidents in between. The only thing that saved this country was FDR’s death and solidified by the 22nd Amendment. That is why socialist elitist Obama wants to repeal or bypass it and insure his dictatorship. Executive orders are only effective while that president is in office. Obama’s legacy could be destroyed boy the stroke of the pin on the next elected president.
    that is why we must elect o true conservative and not a RINO.

  • hungry4food

    Time to indict the political class! http://www.citizensgrandjury.com/

  • guest

    Visions of granduer and paranoia say the NSA is lookiing scrutinizing your every move.

    What they are doing is gathering all the minutiae (for a future leader to abuse)

    right now they are too busy collecting everyone’s laundry list of personal life and searching for terrorists to bother with your inconsequential intel

  • Wiley2

    Curing complacency usually takes a crisis, and judging from the tepid response to the recently exposed governmental abuses, that’s probably what it will take to wake up the majority in this country. The big question is whether, when the crisis comes, the majority will choose to reclaim their humanity and return to principles of freedom and self reliance, or will rush with the herd into bondage and mindless dependence on someone else to take care of them and fix their problems.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Considering at what point in history we are, the majority will rush like a herd into bondage and mindless dependence on the government and New Age Religions and mindless dependence on other human beings to take care of them and fix their problems. We are where we are because the past generations did just that.

      • Wiley2

        I wish I could be more optimistic, but I suspect you’re right.

      • jenelle

        …and few seem to recognize that Obama is only the latest in a line of presidents who have worked to destroy United States’ sovereignty through obeying the Federal Reserve. Inflation, the hidden tax, is an example of what the Federal Reserve has been doing with the compliance of the Presidents. Our Presidents (including Reagan) have given our money away to places like Russia (who really is still the Soviet Union) and have promoted taking away our liberties while proclaiming otherwise.

        • Wiley2

          For any who haven’t heard it, Robert Welch’s speech in 1958 outlined that plan for destruction, and everything he said either has happened or is happening now.

          The video is here:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZU0c8DAIU4

          The groundwork for the plan started as far back as 1861 when Lincoln used unconstitutional and dictatorial means to establish central government supremacy, and the full plan was probably formulated by the time the Fed and the federal income tax were established in 1913. The wolves have been at their diabolical scheme for such a long time that they’re probably salivating at the prospect of finally making the kill. I hope they get a rude surprise.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        You are correct. As ye sow, so shall ye reap. Here is an article about that.
        http://www.lastresistance.com/2392/you-reap-what-you-sow-mr-obama/
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
        “Whatever makes men good Christians, makes them good citizens.”
        Daniel Webster
        American statesman
        Devout Christian

  • Oliver_K_Manuel

    Mankind seems to be witnessing the pain of separation from God/Reality/Truth.

    http://orach24463.wordpress.com/2013/06/18/energycide/comment-page-1/#comment-179

  • FRENCHIE1369

    O.K….TIME TO ADDRESS THE BIG RED ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM YET ONCE AGAIN…..THE VERY REASON NOBODY’S DOING ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING COMRADE OBAMA’S DOING, IS FEAR OF SCREAMS OF RACISM FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED TO NEVER VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN FOR ANY REASON ANYHOW. THIS “CROSSOVER VOTE” CRAP IS JUST THAT – CRAP !!! GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS, YOU FRICKIN’ NEANDERTHALS – THEY WILL NOT VOTE FOR YOU & THE REASON THEY WON’T IS BECAUSE THEY FEAR THAT DOING WHAT’S RIGHT MAY IMPEDE THEIR ABILITY TO MOOCH, CALL FOR SPECIAL RIGHTS & TREATMENT, PLAY THE RACE CARD, & GENERALLY DO AS THEY DAMN PLEASE REGARDLESS WHO SUFFERS FOR IT. IT WON’T BE THEM, I’LL BET YOU ON THAT ONE !!! “THE GREAT & HEROIC PEOPLE’S PARTY” MAKE SURE THEIR PRECIOUS “COMRADES” AREN’T BOTHERED WITH SUCH TRIVIAL MATTERS AS REALITY, CONSEQUENCES, ACCOUNTABILITY & THE LIKE. THEY ALSO PROVIDE PEOPLE FOR THEM TO BLAME FOR EVERYTHING MISERABLE IN THEIR LIVES. THESE PEOPLE ARE CALLED “REPUBLICANS” AND/OR “CONSERVATIVES” & ARE GENERALLY TO BLAME FOR EVERYTHING, ACCORDING TO THE AFOREMENTIONED “COMRADES” WHO WILL NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN ANYHOW. PERSONALLY, I SAY SCREW ‘EM. UNTIL SOMEBODY IN THE GOP ACTUALLY GROWS A PAIR & STARTS DOING SOMETHING, ALL THE BITCHING IN THE WORLD ISN’T GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING ONE LITTLE BIT. EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT THERE’S JUST GOING TO BE A BIGGER MESS TO CLEAN UP, IF THAT’LL EVEN BE POSSIBLE BY THE TIME WE FIND SOMEBODY WITH THE GUTS TO STAND UP & DO WHAT’S RIGHT & WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE………………………..

    • vicki

      Probably the dirt the NSA has on them as well as fear of being called racist. Btw could you cut down a bit on the “yelling” please? It’s hard to read.

      • FRENCHIE1369

        NOT YELLIN’, DEAR….CAPS LOCK PERMANENTLY STUCK. WORKS FINE OTHERWISE, THOUGH….AND YOU’RE MOST LIKELY RIGHT ABOUT THE NSA AS WELL………………………

        • vicki

          Ok but don’t be surprised when others complain about he capital letters. Any chance of your getting a new keyboard? They aren’t very expensive

        • 5alive5

          LOOKS LIKE YOURE YELLIN! there I got that done. Now I can get on with my life.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        You are right about what the NSA may have on them. They are cowards and only care about their job. If they have somwthing on me, I don’t care. I’ll keep fighting the good fight. Here is an article showing how we are losing our privacy to defense and computer companies.
        http://www.lastresistance.com/2383/computer-and-defense-industries-bribe-government-to-eliminate-our-privacy-protections/
        FOT GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
        “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to GOD.”
        Benjamin Franklin
        Founding father
        Devout Christian

    • KG

      DING! DING! DING! YOU WIN THE KERNEL KLINK KLOSETED NAZI AWARD!!!
      Here’s your iron cross: +
      Wear it with dignity at all KKK functions.

      • Keith

        KG, It is you that should get the nazi award. Hitler was the master at playing the race cardjust liet the rest of you collectivist losers that villify anybody that doesn’t walk in lock-step with your preisident and his ilk’s totalatarian aggenda .

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Someone is still drunk on the lib kool aid. Knock of your socialist/communist agenda. Why don’t you go to another site and peddle your papers? We are not buying what you are trying to sell. Here is what Obama bin Laden said that got voters in the Midwest angry at him.
        http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/14/barackobama.uselections2008
        Here is another one showing how Obama bin Laden wants to force his socialist/communist/facist ideals on America.
        http://www.wdtprs.com/blog/2013/06/pres-obama-sticks-his-nose-into-catholic-education-in-ireland/
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
        “The Christian religion is, above all other religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity.”
        John Adams
        2nd President of the U.S.
        Founding father
        Devout Christian

        • KG

          So, are you a member of Opus Dei? Or, maybe the other catholic fascist organization Knights of Columbus? I see, you are actually a right-wing nut.

          What would Christ say?

          To the Religious People:

          Matthew 15
          King James Version (KJV)
          7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

          8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

          9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

          Matthew 10
          King James Version (KJV)
          28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

          To the People with their swords (AR-15s)

          Matthew 26
          King James Version (KJV)
          52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

          So, when our president spoke of people clinging to their religion and guns, he was merely stating what Jesus told us 2000 years ago.

          BTW, and I say this with all love, you are still an idiot ;)

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            I see that you are socialist/communist troll that just comes here to spew his hatred for America. You have posted the verses word for word, but you have misinterpreted them. You cannot use them to back you agenda. You sound almost like Obama bin Laden What would our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ say?
            1. Judge not, that ye be not judged.
            2. For what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
            3. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye.
            4. Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
            5. Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
            6. Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
            Matthew 7:1 – 6
            Or how about this one about where we put our hearts and souls?
            24. Therefore, whoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, who built his house upon a rock:
            25. And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
            26. And everyone that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
            27. And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
            Matthew 7:24 – 27
            I’m the wise man and you are the foolish man. Once again you have worded it correctly, but misinterpreted it again. Jesus said that, “whosoever liveth by the sword shall die by the sword,” means that anyone who lives by war, raping, and pillaging, shall die the same way. He didn’t say that we could not own weapons to defend ourselves. I see that you have also forgotten that Jesus’ disciples had 2 swords to defend themselves with. Self defense is OK, just killing someone is not. Neeeeed to be making that popping sound.
            Here is something about you and your ilk.
            13. But wo unto you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye shut up the Kingdom of Heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering, to go in.
            15. Wo unto you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he is made, ye make him two fold more the child of hell then youselves.”
            Matthew 23:13 & 15
            Neeeeed to study and interpret better if you wish to be believed. BTW, with all due respect, you are still a moron. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only law book and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited . What a Eutopia – what a paradise would this region be!”
            John Adams
            2nd President of the U. S.
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • KG

            Isn’t the Bible great? You can justify just about anything you want too. From sending children to be slaughtered into battle to molesting your neighbors daughter, there is a verse or two to justify just about anything.

            When you are in your bunker, and ‘the golden horde” is attacking you, when you fire your last bullet, what are you going to do? Just remember, there will ALWAYS be more humans than bullets. And after you kill a bunch of their buddies, what do you think they will do to you? It will be a wet dream for Dr. Mengelegh!!

            I guess Christ really did endorse ‘jihad’ in Luke 19:27.

            Matthew 6 (King James Version)
            19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

            20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

            21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

            Here is your special message from G-d.

            Matthew 7 (King James Version)
            21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

            22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

            23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

      • Walt

        Your ridicule strategy is straight out of Alinsky’s commie book …….”Rules for Radicals”. It doesn’t work here A**hole!

        • KG

          The truth hurts, dosen’t it?

    • nancinger

      It’s difficult to read when people write in CAPITALS.

  • ireAmerica

    Fortunately, we live in a Republic under a Constitution which binds us all.

    In a Democracy “liberal” voters could tyrannize away all of our rights, but we don’t have a Democracy. Our Constitution constrains government and all other tyrannies – Our Constitution does NOT grant our rights, God does.

    Our Constitution is a set of statutes that criminalizes overreaching government.

    Because of Our Constitution, it does not matter if 99% of voters want, for example, gun confiscation. The resulting laws or regulations would be null and void as “repugnant to the Constitution”.

    A careful reading of Article 6, Section 2 shows that laws, regulations, treaties or amendments shall have effect… ONLY if made “pursuant to the Constitution”.

    At this point the criminals have already set themselves up for prosecution!

    • Keith

      ireAmerica, Unfortunately this country has already devolved into the rule of the mob democracy and is no longer the Constitutional Republic that we once were. The majority of American voters are lazy slugs who will vote for anyone that they percieve will give them a free ride at the expence of there more productive neigbors.

      • rbrooks

        the battle of politics is nothing more than who will get paid and who will pay for it.

      • ireAmerica

        Please don’t get discouraged, you’re going to need all of your heart and will. Remember that all true legal tests must pass the letter AND intent of the law.

        Also, that Our Founders were well acquainted with the evils of Democracy and Communalism (what we call Socialism / Communism). So they instituted a government of Individual Sovereignty based on Liberty for All – NOT mob rule, NOT commune rules – by letter and intent.

        Contravention of Our Constitution is an actionable Federal felony – some call it TREASON.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Well said! Well said! A person who knows the Constitution and the ways of our Christian founding fathers. I hope to see more of your posts. Do not listen to rbrooks and his ilk, for they are on the side of communism, socialism, and bigger government. Here is something about their ilk and what should be done.
          http://www.americanvision.org/8389/dear-huckabee-churches-need-not-give-up-tax-exempt-status-to-speak-freely/
          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
          “The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
          John Adams
          2nd President of the U.S.
          Founding father
          Devout Christian

          • mlr

            why don’t you cut the religious crap. most of the founding wanted religion kept out of the government

    • vicki

      Though I agree with all your points who is going to bring charges against those who are ignoring the rule of law? They took away most of the guns. The NFA 1934 (Prima facie unconstitutional) was the first big step.

      There were smaller steps in the past but that is the first significant federal violation (Yes Lincoln did quite a few unconstitutional things too)

      • rbrooks

        the amusing part of nfa is the ones who supported it.

      • ireAmerica

        Our legal position is VERY strong, and there are multiple lawsuits against the IRS and NSA as we speak.

        Our AG is about to go down for perjury, and after that hopefully an accounting for the many deaths caused by Fast & Furious Part 1. We’re also close to implicating the former Secretaries of Defense and State together with the Salamander in Chief over Fast & Furious Part 2.

        Our Constitution is a legal instrument clear enough for even Our Public Servants to understand, so that they don’t find themselves facing firing squads.

        • vicki

          I sincerely hope you are correct but I’m not going to hold my breath.

        • nancinger

          By the time any of these cases come before a court, O will be long gone from the Presidency….I hope.

    • rbrooks

      we have not been a republic for a very long time. long before any of us were ever born.
      i doubt if you have much luck with your religious rule interpretation. as most of the mythology’s do NOT grant rights to the vast majority of the population.

      but neither did the constitution.

      what is great about the constitution, is that it allows us ways to make changes.

      your point about the unconstitutional, and hence illegal, ways that changes have been made is correct.

      how many of those changes do you support.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Atheism is the mythology, not Christianity. You say the Constitution didn’t give rigths to all Americans? Care to cite a source that proves this? I don’t see any mentioning of gender, religion, or race in the Constitution, minus the Amendments, nor do I see this in our God-given rights as are written in the Bill of Rights. Yes, changes can be made to the Constitution by adding or deleting Amendments through the process of legislation and 75% of the states supporting this action.
        IreAmerica, you are correct. Even John Adams said that our Constitution was only meant for a moral, virtuous, and Christian people, and is inadequate for any other. Don’t give up yet and keep fighting the good fight, fellow patriot. Here is an article showing how the pretender Obama bin Laden’s speech in Berlin flopped big time. But alas! He had no teleprompter.
        http://www.blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100222637/barack-obama-bombs-in-berlin-a-weak-underwhelming-address-from-a-floundering-president/
        But alas! The man is a pretender and is not capable of doing the job. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        “We should hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator (GOD) with certain unalienable rights, among these are life, liberty, and they prusuit of happiness.”
        Declaration of Independence

        • rbrooks

          i will cite your post. as just one example.

        • californiasailor

          with or without teleprompter….the idiot is just that…an idiot…

  • jzandensky

    No one knows The O-Team’s agenda? Don’t kid yourself. We know and stand in the way.

  • tncdel

    It’s not just the Dems and Obama. It’s a GLOBALIST scheme. And the globalist Progs have not only hijacked the Democrat Party from true Liberals loyal to America, but also have wrested control of the GOP via the globalist RINOs and neocons.

    Just look at all who support globalist agendas to dissolve our border, such as amnesty, NAFTA, etc.

    Bush and many other Republican globalists have made it possible for a dog-eatin’ foreign usurper to become president of the United States.

    Obama’s social security number failed E-Verify, and anyone with enough intelligence to follow the simple instructions of this video can prove to themselves beyond any doubt that the document Obama claims is his birth certificate was amateurishly created using Adobe layering techniques. Please see:

    A non-U.S. citizen is NOT constitutionally-entitled to impeachment proceedings. REMOVE the usurper NOW, prosecuting him for infiltrating our government at its highest level, making what the Rosenbergs [who were executed] did pale by comparison.

    Also prosecute all who made it possible in both parties, including Bush, Rice, etc.

  • hungry4food

    TED CRUZ and RAND PAUL will CHALLENGE THE TYRANNY OF OUR TIME !!!

    • Arkham

      I have been a strong supporter of Ron Paul, a man with genuine integrity. His son, Rand seemed to be a bit of a grandstander getting himself on camera playing the patriot hero. He was on camera this morning almost praising the traitor Smowden, euphemistically refferred to as a “whistle blower”, as a hero of truth. Rand lost me then and there. Snowden is a traitor pure and simple. He had a sworn contract to keep America’s secrets and betrayed that trust. As a Viet Nam vet I always had a dim view of Hanoi Jane Fonda, but Snowden is worse. He directly gave secrets to enemy states. Now he wants to find sanctuary in Ecuador, a country where free speech hardly exists and is antagonistic towards the U.S and disclose more secrets.

      … and Rand Paul, for obvious political reasons, praises this scum?

      Rand Paul saving us from tyranny? This morning he proved what he really is, a cheap panderer grabbing any opportunity put down the administration whether they are right or wrong. He is putting himself before America. My once strong support is now non existent.

      • hungry4food

        Snowden and all the other whistle blowers wouldn’t be blowing the whistle if the Culture of Corruption and crime against the American Peoples Liberties were not part of the SPYING Program so I blame the Obama Administration for OVERSTEPING their Boundaries and making Political enemies part of the Spying Program !!!!!!!

        And because this kind of secret spying developed a Greed for MORE and MORE Power over the People and thats as dangerous as exposing the secrets to the enemies , so I blame those who were committing crimes against the liberties of the people and how that creates the culture to want to tell the truth about the CRIME against Liberty .

        • Arkham

          So you think Snowden is a hero?

          Sad…

          • hungry4food

            Oh excuse me ARKHAM , We the People should have been told our phones were bugged and our emails and our LIVES were NOW property of the United States Federal Government so it did not Inspire Whistle Blowers to BLOW our Statist societies Cover !!!!!

          • vicki

            Why is he not a hero. He found a bunch of people breaking the most sacred law of the land and reported it to their employers in spite of the fact that those people might act as any criminal gang and try and kill him.

            What is really sad is the number of employers (you for instance) who see nothing wrong with the criminal actions of their employees.

          • Arkham

            Speaking as a veteran, any government employee who reveals secrets that puts the lives of other Americans at risk is a traitor to the oath he took and the people who put their own lives at risk to defend our country. There are other ways Snowden could have dealt with the issue. Now he is fleeing with the aid of Russia and Chin, two of the most oppressive country’s to free speech and who do the most cyber spying. It’s ironic. I fought in Viet Nam despite disagreeing with the war but fought for the guys on either side of me.
            Subject: Re: New comment posted on Tipping Toward Tyranny : Personal Liberty Digest™

          • vicki

            What secrets did Snowden reveal that pots the lives of other Americans at risk (clear and present danger risk not some hypothetical terrorist risk)?

          • me

            Would you call President Owebutthole a hero? He is probly the head kingpin of the bunch who is spying on american citizens.

  • hungry4food

    Shock:
    Immigration Bill Waives Felony Document & Social Security Number Fraud

    It starts at
    frame 4:45 ;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LAN6688Rq8w

  • securityman

    well, while I may not be able to go to DC and do anything , I can vote. and I can stand in my home and defy the muslims to come on. I will not convert and I will not give up my guns. the people who are not looking at this with open eyes had better take their blinders off. it is about to get down to the nut cutting.

  • $9913635

    African-American heritage??? LOL!

    You mean negro traits??? Don’t kid yourself. Ask where is the negroe’s great seaports? Where are their great cities? Where are their great inventions???

    Every other race has them, but only (gasp) negroes? Hey, why not make one as our president???? Yeah, truly a grate idea!!!

    NOW YOU HAVE ONE! Whose stupid idea was that??? I mean even you when selecting someone want the best. But here you choose the WORST!!! Just to prove to you are not a racist. So you put a racist in office. Makes sense?

    Everyday the negro plots your destruction. His wife (her negress) makes a mockery of white culture wherever she goes and shows her indignation at granting her the largest welfare largesse in history. Million dollar vacations she feels entitled too.

    They are so grateful, huh? Meanwhile the plotting of America’s destruction with an iron fist goes on…… Whilst you sit there thinking what way should I be politically correct today in the most exquisite delightful way to appease the negro and his white racist handlers?

  • patriot156

    tipping point nothing we tipped many years ago!!! From 7-8 years old and knowing then that things were wrong. This was in the 70’s so for at least 30 years weve tipped.