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Time To Step Up For Ron Paul

April 11, 2012 by  

Time To Step Up For Ron Paul
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Ron Paul is a more attractive candidate to independents and moderates than Mitt Romney.

With Rick Santorum (faux conservative-Pa.) officially “suspending” his campaign and Newt Gingrich (corporatist adulterer-Ga.) fading to inconsequentialness, now is the time for all those “anybody-but-Mitt Romney” Republicans to get behind the only true conservative in the race: Congressman Ron Paul.

Unlike Mitt the Flip, who never held a position he couldn’t change in an instant, Paul has been a consistent and rock-solid conservative his whole career.

He has run his campaign the same way. While other candidates have soared to the top of the polls only to flame out like a New Year’s sparkler, Paul’s campaign has plodded along, amassing delegates along the way. (Don’t believe the media’s delegate count. Paul’s people are working behind the scenes to capture uncommitted delegates and take over local Republican Party offices, much to the dismay of the Republican establishment.)

Unlike Romney, Paul holds truly conservative ideals. He has pledged to balance the budget in three years. He will cut $1 trillion from the budget in the first year and eliminate five cabinet departments (Energy, Housing and Urban Development, Commerce, Interior and Education). He will abolish the Transportation Security Administration, end corporate subsidies (corporate welfare), stop foreign aid and return most spending to 2006 levels.

According to a recent New York Times/CBS News Poll, 69 percent of Americans believe the United States should end its involvement in the Afghanistan war. Paul has said he’ll bring the troops home immediately.

Paul is more pro-gun, pro-Constitution and pro-liberty than Romney. Most importantly, while Romney wears Massachusetts’ Romneycare around his neck like a millstone, Paul has none of that baggage. And Paul is a more attractive candidate to independents and moderates than Romney.

There are still 19 States that have not held their primaries: Connecticut, Delaware, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Indiana, North Carolina, West Virginia, Nebraska, Oregon, Arkansas, Kentucky, Texas, California, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico, South Dakota and Utah. There are still 1,152 delegates left to be awarded in those States. And while Paul will not win enough delegates before the convention to lock up the nomination, it’s important that Romney doesn’t either.

Then real conservatives can nominate a real conservative candidate that can beat Barack Obama in November.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Vigilant

    I believe the voters understand and support the need to restore the efficacy of the Constitution. I believe the public has seen the damage done to the US in human life, deficits and in our image abroad by meddlesome “nation building” fiascoes. The public supports Paul’s contention that Israel has every right to defend its sovereignty. The electorate could buy into reversing the folly of squandering dollars for military bases worldwide that serve no useful purpose. It wants us out of Iraq and Afghanistan and did/does not support military action in Libya or Syria.

    But the deal breaker, that which overshadows all the other noninterventionist positions, is the prospect of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapons capability. The public considers a “hands off” position to be dangerous, and will never buy into a position that Iran has a right to obtain such. This directly counters Dr. Paul’s sentiments.

    “A majority of Americans would support military action against Iran if there were evidence that Tehran is building nuclear weapons, even if such action led to higher gasoline prices, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Tuesday.” (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/13/us-usa-iran-poll-idUSBRE82C19Y20120313).

    • http://orograndelibertylinks.wordpress.com orograndelibertylinks

      You may be correct in your assessment of public opinion regarding American willingness to start a war with Iran. But that doesn’t make it right. Half the countries in that part of the world already have nuclear weapons and the region is a tinderbox ready to explode. U.S. policy and attitudes will be the downfall of our economy because we simply cannot afford to police the entire world with a credit card. We’re still running up our debt to pay the interest on that card. That kind of thinking will spell disaster for us in the not too distant future.

      • JimRed

        “Half the countries in that part of the world already have nuclear weapons…”

        Britain, France, Russia, China, India, Pakistan and Israel constitute half the countries in that part of the world? Who knew?

        Seriously, when you make overstatements like that you lose credibility.

        Isolationism will only work one way: from a position of strength. You have to be so dangerous no one will mess with you. Regrettably, that is not Ron Paul’s agenda.

        I don’t care if ANYONE likes us, as long as they FEAR us!

      • Alex

        For JimRed.

        Man, come back to the real world. Foreigners wont fear a country that don’t have money for ammunition, wake up!!
        This country has a puppet as president (all of them after Kennedy) and people are being daily humiliated by the TSA, we are involved in nonsense (oil industry interest) endless wars far away that we cannot afford. Don’t you agree in that foreigners should believe americans are so dumb as Homer Simpson?

        They ask themselves: Why they don’t defend themselves from their government? Fear is the last thing they have from USA.

        Vote Ron Paul, don’t act like a sheep!!!

      • Jim C.

        JimRed is right! To be without a strong national defense would be suicidal. One of the primary reasons for creating the Constitution was to ensure the “common defense”, i.e., the defense of all the States, each of which would not alone have the capacity to defend itself from foreign enemies. As for internal economics, any country that isolates itself from commercial interaction with other nations (international trade) is doomed to suffer poverty and destitution. Every great and prosperous nation on earth has become so by being commercially interactive with other nations and peoples. That way, each nation gets the best of everything to be had, and is not limited to only what it can produce.

      • EyesWideOPEN

        “Every great and prosperous nation on earth has become so by being commercially interactive with other nations and peoples”…

        Emphasis on ‘commercial’ NOT Militarial and we would be strong enough to defend our country once we bring home the majority of separated troops that we’ve placed in every part of the world. And what about our allies? Why aren’t they as gung ho as we are? Or are they just waiting for us to fail so that they can bring back their skeleton crew and say, “NOW their on their own”.. This Country was never created to become the world’s nanny.. We’re starving our own people in an effort to feed our enemies. How many soldiers does it take to insure another country abides by human morality? None!!.. It takes intelligence (and not many of them) to keep an eye out for aggression yet we spend billions keeping our military over there as ‘policemen’ or for the ‘terror’ effect while the population does their thing behind our backs in any case. Some elite sharks are manipulating us into believing that a free nation must war to feel safe and we gobble it up while our allies shrug and say, “at least it’s not our billions”.. Anyone who believes ‘war is peace’ is no better than the huns of yore. At least try to wake up and realize that for every dollar we spend maintaining (a mock) peace, our true enemies (the ruling despots) pocket this same dollar. We’re not preventing aggression, we’re contributing to it. RON PAUL 2012!!

      • restorefreedom

        Everything the government does increases our debt or further erodes our rights and the constitution. When did we become the enemy?

      • Joe H

        Jim,
        If what you say is correct, where is their concentration on N. Korea??? Even Japan, who has sworn to peace has warned if they launch a missile in the next couple of months, they will shoot it down! As far as your comment of isolation, in reference to Ron Paul, he is NOT an isolationist! He has also said if congress votes to go to war, he would do so and do it to WIN! name one president since Korea that has been in favor of “Winning” instead of playing political GAMES!

      • DaveH

        How can we ever hope to keep our own Freedom when we’re foolishly rallying behind the military state that is taking away the Freedom of other countries’ citizens? There are Hopers and Dreamers on both sides of the Political Spectrum. Too bad for those of us with our eyes open.

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        For the confused people, Ron Paul is most definitely not an Isolationist. He is a Non-Interventionist. Big difference, Ron Paul is fully willing to go to war and win should Congress declare one as is Constitutionally proper.
        What he is not willing to do is leave the troops all over the world costing us money for this so called war on terror and for other reasons now obsolete. We have no need for the post Cold war military bases protecting the world from Soviet aggression… Likewise we have no reason to put our noses into sovereign nations business, telling them what they can and can’t do, eg Israel. Israel does not need us, nor do they want us, interfering in their sovereign affairs…
        It is time our foreign policy evolved, it is horribly outdated and clearly causes us more trouble than it has solved…
        You see Iran watches it neighbors invaded and violated, they would be fools not to pursue a Nuclear weapons program and pursue friendships with Russia and China given our current policy and history in the Middle East.
        Oh wait, they already are…
        Anyone who wants war with Iran should have their heads examined.

    • libtard

      A majority of Americans feel china is an ally! Go on fooling yourself but Iran was a friend to us before Carter and being friendly is better than hostile to anyone regardless of your religious fears and superstitions. Remember the WMDs Iraq was supposed to have? Polls are really not what they seem to be.

      • Mark in LA

        Get real, the Iranian government was a “friend” the Iraning upper class was a friend. The average guy in Iran was no friend to us thanks to us meddling in their internal affiar in the 50s.

      • Vigilant

        “Polls are really not what they seem to be.”

        Funny, the only time I ever hear that is when the poll is unfavorable to one’s point of view.

      • Michael J.

        libtard says:
        “A majority of Americans feel china is an ally!” Where did you hear that? Anita Dunn perhaps? Or was it the guy who makes Christmas tree ornaments for The Obama White House?

        “Go on fooling yourself but Iran was a friend to us before Carter and being friendly is better than hostile to anyone regardless of your religious fears and superstitions” Ahh,before Carter there was this guy named “Shah” who raised quite a tuckis and made the Iranians mad at us.

        “Remember the WMDs Iraq was supposed to have?” Go to the Bekaa Valley in Lebanon, bring a shovel and pack a lunch.

        “Polls are really not what they seem to be.” Rule of thumb, Polls are only correct when they support your liberal ideology.

        BTW, the only thing correct about your post is your choice of a blogging handle.

      • DaveH

        It is typically the Leaders of countries that stir up the trouble. The rest of us are just here to be drafted for cannon fodder or for the Leaders to pick our foolish pockets.

        • Dave

          We have no draft, it is volunteer for cannon fodder…Just saying

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        Dave, tell that to the people who lost loved ones in Vietnam. We don’t have a draft >presently< but we could, at anytime, have one again to requisition said cannon fodder for these popular pointless wars of aggression.
        The military was stretched pretty thin fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. We would definitely see another draft if we dclare on Iran and find oursselves facing Russia and/or China to boot… Both are freindly to Iran and China has a stretegic Oil interest in Iran. The concept is not farfetched.

    • T i m

      I have never been over seas in our military , even though I am a veteran . Even so , everyone remember what the nation was shown , when AMERICA went to Kuwait . It was shown on the world news . Our Air Force targeting munitions building from miles away . NO PROBLEM . Ronald Reagan signed the STAR WARS bill which is supposed to keep AMERICA safe from air born attack . I have seen part of that facility in Richmond Virginia . The sign on the outside of the warehouse calls it N O A H weather Radar . I have complete confidence in Dr. Paul’s foreign policy . ISRAEL DOES NOT NEED ANYONES HELP DEFENDING IT SELF . Our monetary system with Federal Researve Corporation expires end of next year . Our money changes , no matter who is president . Mr. Obama may sign an extension , so no one in congress misses a paycheck . Dr. Paul has said everything I want to hear …..should have been done decades ago . I will continue to support Dr. Paul . my name is T i m

    • Scott

      becausr starting a war has always been such a winner, right?

    • Scott

      because starting a war has always been such a winner, right?

    • Carl Manning

      A pre-emptive war with Iran will be the spark that starts WWIII, especially when US intelligence has concluded that Iran does not pose a threat. Do not believe the lies the MSM (Zionist-owned media) is putting out regarding Iran; they are distortions for Israel’s biudding just as 911 was a Mossad-CIA joint effort to kickstart the fictional “Global War on Terror” for which so many of our young men have died in vain on behalf of evil Zionists who are running the Israeli government, most of whom are descendants of the Israeli Zionist terrorist Irgun, you know the guys who blew up a hotel building killing 91 Brits, Arabs, and even their own people, Israelis. Menachem Begin was an Irgun Chief Zionist terrorist in charge of this operation. Albert Einstein warned our government in a stern letter to the New York Times(itself a Zionist-controlled media owned by a founding family of B’nai Brith) with a lot of his fellow Jews against the Zionists who were running Israel back in 1948.

      http://www.bollyn.com/the-zionist-criminal-network/#article_13182

      He also knew Begin was a dangerous terrorist Zionist and warned our governemnt about him as well. Some famous descendants are Rahm Emanuel and Bibi Netanyahu. The Likud party was created by the Irgun Zionist terrorist Chief, Menachem Begin, the former Israeli Prime Minister. The Irgun Zionist terrorist organization today is known as the Mossad, which had over 200 agents in NYC before the 911 inside job they orchestrated in collusion with CIA Black Ops working for the Military Industrial Complex who would also profit immensely from all of these endless insane wars. Bush’s younger brother, Marvin, and their cousin, Wirt Walker were principal owners of the security organization for the Twin Towers. During many “maintenancde shutdowns” before 911, many white vans would show up likely with military-grade explosive nanothermite, which explains why the Towers kept burning for 3 months after they fell to the ground in a massive heap. Workers on the ground were replacing their boots constantly because they kept “melting” on the job as they walked amongst the rubble from the immense heat. This isn’t rocket science; it’s common sense.

      • DonnieB

        Zionist huh! Isn’t that the same way that Iran and Syria refer to Isreal?

      • Carl Manning

        DonnieB,

        Educate yourself and step away from the Zionist-owned media for once…

        http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-genocide-gentilehate.html

        “Non-Jews cannot understand why Jews commit massacres without understanding Jewish morals and laws about killing non-Jews. Although it may be difficult to fathom, Jewish rabbinical law permits Jews to kill non-Jews – without penalty. Israeli soldiers are actually instructed to kill non-Jewish civilians – whenever they come across them:

        When our forces come across civilians during a war or in hot pursuit or in a raid, so long as there is no certainty that those civilians are incapable of harming our forces, then according to the Halakhah they may and even should be killed … Under no circumstances should an Arab be trusted, even if he makes an impression of being civilized … In war, when our forces storm the enemy, they are allowed and even enjoined by the Halakhah to kill even good civilians, that is, civilians who are ostensibly good.
        - In the Wake of the Yom Kippur War, Central Region Command (Israel Defense Forces), 1973, quoted in Ha’olam Hazzeh, 5 January 1974

        The late Israeli author named Israel Shahak wrote an essential book about Zionism and Jewish supremacism, entitled Jewish History, Jewish Religion, which revealed the inherent racism of Jewish rabbinical law and how the rabbis of the Israeli military enjoin soldiers to kill non-Jews:

        The non-Jewish nations have a custom according to which war has its own rules, like those of a game, like the rules of football or basketball. But according to the sayings of our sages, of blessed memory…war for us is not a game but a vital necessity, and only by this standard must we decide how to wage it. On the one hand…we seem to learn that if a Jew murders a Gentile, he is regarded as a murderer and, except for the fact that no court has the right to punish him, the gravity of the deed is like that of any other murder. But we find in the very same authorities in another place…that Rabbi Shim’on used to say: “The best of Gentiles – kill him; the best of snakes dash out its brains.”

        http://www.bollyn.com/the-zionist-criminal-network/#article_12543

      • Carl Manning

        DonnieB,

        You and many others have probably never heard of these Orthodox Jews who oppose the Zionist State of Israel. The Zionist-owned media suppresses their protests. Here’s their website…

        http://www.nkusa.org/index.cfm

        Here is what these Orthodox Jews say about Judaism versus Zionism…

        “Judaism believes in One G-d who revealed the Torah. It affirms Divine Providence and, accordingly, views Jewish exile as a punishment for sin. Redemption may be achieved solely through prayer and penance. Judaism calls upon all Jews to obey the Torah in its entirety including the commandment to be patriotic citizens.

        Zionism rejects the Creator, His Revelation and reward and punishment. Among its fruits are the persecution of the Palestinian people and the spiritual and physical endangering of the Jewish people. It encourages treasonous, dual loyalty among unsuspecting Jews throughout the world. At its root Zionism sees reality as barren and desacralized. It is the antithesis of Torah Judaism.”

        http://www.nkusa.org/aboutus/whatzionism.cfm

        The Christian community is no better when they support the warmongering Neocons that make up the GOP today who are doing the Zionists’ bidding with American blood. Even the late Reverend Jerry Falwell completely hoodwinked by 911 once said horrendously of the “terrorists” on November 11th, 2004 on CNN, “If it takes 10 years, blow them all away in the name of the Lord.” It is truly sad and horrific that Neocon Zionism has even infiltrated Christianity with its bloodlust.

      • Joe H

        Carl,
        not to belittle a person you seem to worship, but who is he other rhan a guy with a degree that listens to the opinions of others? What proof has he seen that PROVES that 9/11 was a zionist plot? Was he told by government agents? I doubt it. Was he there to catch them in the act? I kinda doubt that, as well. When he starts showing me some REAL proof that it was, I choose not to believe.

    • castaway

      Yes Vigilant it would end up just like Iraq. Now the public wants to destroy Iran, only be displeased with the outcome, should it take more than a month to accomplish.I think Iran would be disaster for anyones political career, as it is not likely to go well. In addition, we stand a good chance of finding nothing to indicate a weapons program.

      Americans only know what the lefty media is spewing, and somewhere, there is a group that will profit heavily from a war with Iran. So, they push the media to the level of propaganda specialists.

      Good Grief, Iran barely has a missle that will leave its own airspace, let alone entering U.S. airspace, and it would be shot down over the Atlantic before it even got here. Then Iran would cease to exist. Welcome to WWIII. We don’t know what Russia, or China would do either.

      We need to eliminate the worlds number one War Monger, THe USA! Think about this we have been hounding other countries for issues, like the new laws that were just passed. THis entire government needs to go by by for good.

      • EyesWideOPEN

        You had me going there until you reached that final paragraph castaway.. When is everybody going to learn? It’s NOT America, it’s America’s leaders.. It’s the controlled media that needs revamping, it’s money hungry monsters financing wars (with taxpayer’s funds) for personal profit.. NOT AMERICA! NOT AMERICANS!! Anyway,

        ” We don’t know what Russia, or China would do either “.

        Oh, contrare! China, Russia AND India has already warned that if Iran is attacked,THEY might possibly intervene.. Scare tactics? Are you willing to allow our gubment to take that chance??

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        China would definitely intervene, they have a strategic interest in Iran via Oil. They are not going to sit idily by and let that Oil supply be interupted.

    • Michael J.

      Vigilant,
      I hear what you are saying, but the facts are that nukes are off the table. Nations using nukes have been shelved because of the threat of retaliation. Once again we have the MSM to thank for building Iran into a world wide bogeyman. All nations, including our own reside in the world of conventional warfare where old geezers send young men to fight and die for clandestine personel agendas camoflauged by faux
      righteous claims. On the other hand, Thermo Nuclear Warfare initiated by soviergn nations has this pesky little thing attached called MAD,
      or mutually assured destruction which does not play well with the continued life of splendor enjoyed by dictators including our own.

      Iran’s blustering about the 12th Imam, is just that. Even if they did manage to lob a few nuke laden missiles skyward before morning prayers, Tehran would become a glass paved parking lot before noon
      prayers.

      No, Nukes are strictly a deterent and a status symbol, Allah forbid ever having to use the damn things.

      • Joe H

        Michael J.
        to just give the devil his due, are you willing to bet your life and the life of all your family that a nation that fights by commiting suicide would really be worried about MAD??? If the country gets whipped up enough against the great satan, would you bet your exhistance on it??

      • Michael J.

        JoeH,
        Yes I would bet my life that the Mullahs will not initiate a nuclear engagement that would put their own life at risk. They will not hesitate though, to put at risk the lives of their own people in a conventional war or covert terrorist attacks. Cowardice and self preservation is their driving force.

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        I would. They cannot convert the world to Islam if the world of Islam becomes a a radiation ladden glass pit.

    • TML

      Vigilant says, “But the deal breaker, that which overshadows all the other noninterventionist positions, is the prospect of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapons capability. The public considers a “hands off” position to be dangerous, and will never buy into a position that Iran has a right to obtain such. This directly counters Dr. Paul’s sentiments.”

      I must correct you here Vigilant, Ron Paul has not said that Iran has a right to obtain nuclear weapons. In fact, Ron Paul specifically says he doesn’t want Iran to obtain them. What Ron Paul does say, is that Iran has a right to develop nuclear energy under the Non-Proliferation Treaty, which is the same Treaty which specifies they can not build nuclear weapons. Understand that if Iran wished to build nuclear weapons, then all they have to do is withdrawal from the Treaty the same as North Korea did (whom, I might add, has not consequentially blown up the world).

      This subtle, but very critical, difference in Dr. Paul’s positions is what the average voter must come to understand.

      • vicki

        The subtle but very critical, difference in Dr. Paul’s positions is exactly what the MSM is so good at hiding. The totally irrelevant differences between Romney and obama however they seem to have no trouble pointing out.

      • Vigilant

        From http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/House/Texas/Ron_Paul/Views/Iran/

        “On November 12, 2011 Congressman Paul participated in the CBS foreign policy debate. He was asked there if war with Iran was worth it to prevent them from achieving a nuclear weapon and he states that it is not.”

        “Scott Pelley: Congressman Paul, let me follow up with you for just 30 seconds. Is it worth going to war to prevent a nuclear weapon in Iran?

        Ron Paul: No, it isn’t worthwhile… ”

        The Reuters poll said, “A majority of Americans would support military action against Iran if there were evidence that Tehran is building nuclear weapons”

        I’d say the American public is at odds with Dr. Paul’s philosophy, no matter how you parse the words. There are no subtle nuances to be explained. He said war isn’t worthwhile and the majority polled said it was.

      • Vigilant

        “When the other Republicans have expressed their concern about Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon, Paul asks why it is such a terrible thing that Iran should obtain the bomb. After all, he says, the Soviet Union had the bomb for decades, and that ended okay.”

        http://blog.nj.com/njv_george_berkin/2011/12/paul_why_ron_paul_will_win_the.html

        Sorry, it’s that type of stance that will alienate Dr. Paul from the voting public, both Democrat and Republican.

      • TML

        Vigilant says, “I’d say the American public is at odds with Dr. Paul’s philosophy, no matter how you parse the words. There are no subtle nuances to be explained. He said war isn’t worthwhile and the majority polled said it was.”

        So what you are trying to tell me is that the majority of Americans (according to your source) supports preventive/preemptive war?

        Perhaps, but what I said is that Ron Paul did not say they have a ‘right’ to build them, but that they have a right to develop nuclear energy under the Non-Proliferation Treaty, which is the same treaty which forbids them to develop nuclear weapons. Although… they do have a right to withdrawal from the Treaty.

        The position in which the American public supports preventive/preemptive military action (which we could definitely argue with the sweeping generalization by your sources) against Iran, is not Constitutional, or even moral, and… as Dr. Paul admits… isn’t worthwhile… meaning; futile to attempt. Exhibit A: Pakistan

        So, there are indeed subtle nuances to be explained, even if to correct the mislead majority.

      • Vigilant

        TML, I’m not here to engage in an argument about the morality or Constitutionality of a pre-emptive strike to prevent Iran from gaining a nuclear weapons capability. I have been careful to avoid judgments, I’m merely reporting the realitiy of what the American voters feel.

        “So what you are trying to tell me is that the majority of Americans (according to your source) supports preventive/preemptive war?”

        I’m not TRYING to say anything, I’m reporting the results of the polls, which say that yes, “the majority of Americans supports preventive/preemptive war” to stop Iran from gaining a nuclear weapon.

        Why are you killing the messenger? If you have some other poll results that tell a different story, by all means divulge them.

      • TML

        “Why are you killing the messenger?”

        Is it bad form to question, and scrutinize the messenger?

      • TML

        “If you have some other poll results that tell a different story, by all means divulge them.”

        Btw… I put little faith in such polls

      • Joe H

        Vig,
        I have to agree with TML here. Polls can be made to say ANYTHING! Asking the right questions, you can put out a poll that says the majority of US citizens say the moon is made of green cheese!

      • DaveH

        So, the US has the second highest number of nukes in the world (and ours probably really work), and is the only country in the world’s history to have actually used nuclear weapons against another country, yet we have the gall to tell another country that it can’t have nuclear weapons? Unbelievable Hypocrisy. I always expected more from my countrymen, but it doesn’t surprise me.

        • Dave

          And so whats your point? (besides the one on your head covered in tinfoil)

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        “On November 12, 2011 Congressman Paul participated in the CBS foreign policy debate. He was asked there if war with Iran was worth it to prevent them from achieving a nuclear weapon and he states that it is not.”

        What Vigalant does not add is Ron Paul has already stated that should CONGRESS DECLARE WAR, he would fight said war to WIN. So while Ron Paul states such a war would not be worth it, he would fight such a war should the Congress declare one. Unfortunately I might add, as that war would more than likely include China and possibly Russia in opposition to the USA. In the end though there would be no Guarantee such a war would stop Iran from reaching Nuclear status. Especially if Russia and China get involved.

    • MadPepperJack

      But the problem is people are freaking out at the mere possibility. They don’t even want Iran to have a regular nuclear plant for energy! What kind of double standard is that? Furthermore, it has been said repeatedly by Ron Paul that the leader of Iran’s comment on “wiping out Isreal” was misquoted. He was talking about the REGIME (i.e. government). I mean, seems most people here hate washington and feel most of the politicians ought to be fired, or some even hung. By that same standard, would it mean the same people hate America and all Americans?

      • Joe H

        MadPepperJack,
        Ah, but who controls their weapons? The people or the regiem??? The ruling party on BOTH sides!!!

    • http://gmail sancheleezy

      Ron Paul does believe in the United States of America having the strongest military and defense establishment in the world, but he does not believe that we must continue our present policy of the internal meddling that our present military-industrial complex has established as policy. Assassinating certain individuals in other nations and setting up groups to overthrow governments which is nation-building must be brought to a halt as it only sets up scenarios conducive to our military involvement later on. This perpetuation allows those involved in the making of war materials and the later rebuilding to make billions, at the taxpayers expense. Wake up vigilant he is not an isolationist but a free trade realist, who believes in diplomacy first and covert operations last.

      • Vigilant

        “Wake up vigilant he is not an isolationist but a free trade realist, who believes in diplomacy first and covert operations last.”

        Wake up to what? You must have a reading comprehension problem. Where did I say he was an isolationist? That is your word, not mine.

        Secondly, look up “covert” in the dictionary. I think the word “overt” is what you meant.

  • sj

    ISRAEL WILL NOT ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN

    • DocVenture

      We shouldn’t either! That, in toto, is my problem with Ron Paul. I understand and support the idea of not being a “meddlesome superpower” hell-bent on being world cop, but you can’t just become an isolationist and turn your back on the world. The world is far too dangerous a place these days to just allow to happen what will. He lost me in a speech he made not too long ago when someone asked him about Iran, and he said we should make Iran our friend, and trade with them. This makes me thing, as smart as he is, he is dangerously naive about how the rulers of that country think. You have to understand, they don’t care if the end of time is brought about, because they want to see it end. They think Allah will take favor with them, if they launch a nuclear strike that brings about the end of the world. And don’t forget, Iran’s clerical leadership has gone on record many, many times calling us the Great Satan. So for Dr. Paul to believe otherwise, is folly. Lest you think I’m a Romney lover, I still voted for Dr. Paul in our primary, but I don’t believe he has a snowball’s chance to win the nomination.

      • T i m

        DOC you are missing a huge point here . Talking about Dr. Paul wanting to be freinds with Iran . You post said Religious leadership is pumping Allah as supremeleader , what ever it was you said . If AMERICA was as pasionate about our supposed ” FAITH ” in GOD , and Jesus Christ , I am confident there would be no discusion . Ron Paul has declared his faith in Jesus Christ , through his personal blog . That is main reason I support him . The BIBLE I read says , GOD is LOVE . Part of the definition I understand Christianity means , when we accept the principles of faith in Jesus Christ , we are expected to spred the news of GOD’s love . The eastern nations have been killing themselves from the beginning of time . What history you want to follow . Dr. Paul’s non interventionalist attitude , AMERICA should have done decades ago . Dr. Paul is not part of the political establishment , which is why he is ignored by the mdeia . Congress does not want to miss a paycheck , as a large part of congression pay come from SOCIAL SECURITY , after welfare gets done with it . I will continue to support Dr. RON PAUL .

      • Butch

        You believe the hype. the ONLY reason wack jobs like Ahminajihad have any power at all is because the US deposed their duly elected prime minister. If Iran has a nuke, who cares? Israel or the US can wipe them out without EVER setting foot on the ground. More likely, they’ll just become another player in teh MidEast, as they were anyway. China, Russia, Pakistan and India all have nukes, lets go to war w/ them first; I mean, its our “moral duty” to keep other countries from having them right? Cuz America’s “so trustworthy”. Some people are so stupid, they want to do the same s@#t over and over and over… and expect different results.

      • castaway

        Is it possible Doc Venture that you and I and all the citizens are naive about Iran. It just could be that if we made friends with them, they would lay off the B.S. and their totalitarian government would fail? It is a fact that the Iranian people crave the west, and its ways. I believe if we open the flood gates so to speak, the evil regime that is now in power would not last another 12 months.

        These people crave things from the USA, and you cannot stop them from getting it once the gates are open. Who knows, they may end up another sort of Democracy.

        Paul is Correct, and he has been around, and listening to all that has gone on about Iran, for many many years, and knows things us common citizens probably do not know. He is correct, and has my vote. A war with Iran is surly not in our best interest.

      • TML

        DocVenture says, “…but you can’t just become an isolationist and turn your back on the world.”

        “Ceasing to deal with other nations with threats of violence is not isolationism, it is the opposite. Opening ourselves up to friendship, honest trade and diplomacy is the foreign policy of peace and prosperity” –Ron Paul

      • TML

        DocVenture says, “He lost me in a speech he made not too long ago when someone asked him about Iran, and he said we should make Iran our friend, and trade with them. This makes me thing, as smart as he is, he is dangerously naive about how the rulers of that country think.”

        You reject making them our friend and trading with them based on a false fear and lack of understanding yourself about the customs and intent of people of Iran. We’ve already proven that they can be made peaceful friends and trade with them way back with the Treaty of Tripoli. Your baseless fear fails.

        DocVenture says, “And don’t forget, Iran’s clerical leadership has gone on record many, many times calling us the Great Satan.”

        Perhaps if more people were students of history they would understand why. They have called us the Great Satan because of our propping up a despotic dictator (Shah) after overthrowing the first vestiges of a democracy in 1953. Then after the Shah was thrown down during the Iranian revolution of 1979 we helped Saddam gain power, arming him, during the nearly decade long Iraq/Iran war which further cemented resentment for the United States. If you follow history objectively, you will realize that the “Great Satan” is a term given directly as a result of decades of intervention against the Iranian people.

        Ron Paul would have a better chance of winning if more people were educated on the matter.

      • EyesWideOPEN

        Then let’s do it right and satisfy the true power mongers by attacking all other Countries that DO have nuclear capabilities..Ooooh! Imagine the profit in that and to hell with those who die for the cause. America seems to fall into the category of bully when it threatens to spank a country that hasn’t (yet) acquired what we don’t want them to have THEN place propaganda through media to reign fear into it’s population who say’s, “OFF WITH THEIR HEADS”.. Seems Rome has already washed it’s hands on what it wants to do.. According to it’s people!! Woe is us if Ron Paul is ignored and cast aside.

      • Joe H

        DocVenture,
        I think you and all the others here calling R. Paul and “isolationist” have a reading comprehension problem!!! He very strongly believes in trading with other countries, how in the name of heaven does that make hin an isolationist??? He just doesn’t believe in us meddeling in other countries politics!! I happen to agree!! now if they are a true threat, he and I both believe in taking a defensive stance with ANY country that would do so! Look at how many threats N. Korea has made against us and our troops in S. korea. How many have actually happened? the closest one was the shelling of that island that north AND south Korea BOTH claim.
        Remember, Ron Paul has said quite a few times that if Congress votes to go to war, that he, as president, will go, kick azz, and get out as quick as possible. No ten year, nation building, wars!!

  • dee

    I do believe that Ron would listen to the people. If it can down to it I think Ron would do what was needed. I am moving my vote to Ron.!!!!

    • Ken S.

      You are free to support Ron Paul in the Primary but just acknowledge that IF he could get the nomination he could NEVER beat B.O. (the Stinky One) ….. NEVER! …. so is a piece of the pie better than no pie at all? … Obviously it is, and Romney, despite his shortcomings is a ton better than B.O.

      • Gary

        Ron Paul can beat Obama….he actually has a better chance than Romney…..if the Republican elite would not just back him, but work for his election… they want Romney and they will not work to elect anyone else. That is why we still have Reid in Nevada, the GOP elite would not help the Republican Tea Party candidate.

      • BigBadJohn

        The poeple who will vote for romney are the ones who will vote republican- REGARLESS of who runs.

        I am an independant and WILL NOT vote republican just to vote republican. However, I WILL vote for Ron Paul. There are a lot of us folks in the middle that feel the same way.

        Ron Paul can beat Obama, but if you vote Romney, you will get four more years of Obama.

      • T i m

        That is the reason DR. PAUL can not be the nominee . Because you said so . The media is pumping the same message . Please do not follow them . Follow the truth . U S A Today news said Monday last week , Romney can not beat Obama . In my opinion , The welfare population is too big to fight . Add the teachers union to it , which is Democratic Based . The teachers union endrosed Obama last election . When I heard that over the world news , I knew the election was over . The welfare population is bigger than it has ever been . Politicaly correct term is entitlements . Every recorded wage earner in the nation , pays welfare , through social security . The more you earn the more welfare you pay . So many people including Democrats do not know this . I have read news talk people say , the Republican party is not strong enough to fight the welfare population . If RON PAUL can not do it , neither can Romney . I will continue to support RON PAUL .

      • Vigilant

        T i m says, “the Republican party is not strong enough to fight the welfare population.”

        Interesting lack of logic. Paul would slash welfare rolls to a much greater extent than Romney would. How in the name of sanity does that make Dr. Paul more electable to the welfare population?

        • T i m

          If that is what you read , then I wrote it wrong . Media says Romney can not beat Obama . My opinion is , the welfare population is to big to fight . Add the teachers union to it . I FULLY SUPPORT DR. PAUL . ALWAYS HAVE .

      • 4LoveOfCountry

        @KenS: This is the rationale that gave us McCain & look what happened in ’08.

      • EyesWideOPEN

        “so is a piece of the pie better than no pie at all?”.. (ken s.)

        … And is a faulty built roof better than no roof at all? What a philosophy!! And your quite mistaken about Ron Paul.. The Dems are currently salivating over the possibility that they will be going head on with Romney.. The woman issue, the flip-flops, the elitist.. This is but
        a few niches that Romney will have to explain before he can even get down to issues and then that old religious cloud and his being a Mormon, outrageous according to a great majority of evangelicals.. And THAT’s just the beginning! Any opponent with an ounce of savvy (and Obama abounds with savvy) will then attack Romney personally (his off-shore wealth, minion of big corp., etc.) and expect positive proof of those things that have been floating in the air for 3.5 years (birth, citizen, muslim) to be squashed in front of your very eyes.. No, Dems want Romney (to slice up like a swine) Ron Paul scares them because.. Hell.. He has nothing to hide. And yes, you will get you’re wish.. The Pubs WILL win but ONLY through Ron Paul. Bottom line is, I’ll respect any President that’s elected.. Will you?

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        You are seriously mistaken, Ron Paul does far better against Obama than Romney does. Romney has no appeal to Independents and certainly does not appeal accross the Isle. Ron Paul does and a recent rassmusen poll conccurs.

    • castaway

      Yes Dee, that is one major difference with Ron Paul, and that is he will listen to the people, and cares about the people, this country, and the Constitution. His record proves that. However, some people are still too dumb to “get the drift”.

    • 4LoveOfCountry

      @dee: Agree; trust Paul’s principles more than Romney’s rhetoric.

      • vicki

        Ron Paul has a 30+ year record of standing up for his principles and our Constitution. Romney has Romneycare.

    • Jim C.

      I have no reason to doubt that Ron Paul is a decent man who, in fact, does “care about the people”, though I don’t know him personally. What I do know, though, is that Mr. Paul rejects certain critical, core ideas in the U.S. Constitution, and therefore would pose a serious danger to all Americans if he were President. I refer to his rejection of a strong national defense, based on a well trained, ever-ready military, able to be pro-active anywhere on earth on short notice, whenever necessary for the safety and security of the American people. If we Americans aren’t safe and secure, what else matters? As I see it, Mr. Paul is way off base on this issue. For that reason alone, I could never vote for him.

      • MadPepperJack

        I’m pretty sure I could make you “safe and secure” by placing you in a maximum security prison. For EXTRA security and protection, I could go further and stick you in solitary confinement. But wait, oh. There’s far more to life and the constitution that safety and security.

      • EyesWideOPEN

        “a well trained, ever-ready military, able to be pro-active anywhere on earth”.. Their ALREADY positioned anywhere on Earth and look where it’s gotten us.. More hatred.. More enemies.. MORE AID TO THE FOES WHILE AMERICANS STARVE!! Ron Paul isn’t going to desolve the military, he’s bringing the majority back home to protect us from attack, not allowing it to go out and attack. What a bunch of morons.. I’m almost embarrassed of the idiots that know better than our leaders. Iran is a con in the effort to keep the public interested in continuing it’s wars. Like a million dollars within trillions, Iran is a spit in the bucket and the elite knows this BUT it’s the only road to true warfare with china, Russia and even India.. Soon we’re going to be seen in the same light that we once viewed the Soviet Union and when that comes to pass, the rats (allies) will desert the ship. WAKE UP! We have always been separates as each country begs for protection then takes their armies home.. To protect THEIR nation.

      • DaveH

        Jim says — “Paul rejects certain critical, core ideas in the U.S. Constitution, and therefore would pose a serious danger to all Americans if he were President. I refer to his rejection of a strong national defense, based on a well trained, ever-ready military, able to be pro-active anywhere on earth on short notice, whenever necessary for the safety and security of the American people”.

        What? You couldn’t have made a more fallacious comment, Jim. Ron Paul is one of the very few Politicians who has stood up for the Constitution regularly.
        Where in the Constitution does it say that our military is to be pro-active anywhere on the Earth? In fact what the Constitution does say is that Congress has the Power to declare Wars. When was the last time the Congress declared a war? George Washington warned against entangling Foreign relationships. So did Thomas Jefferson.
        Pass that doobie this way, Jim. It must be good stuff.
        http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance17.html

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        You apparently know absolutely nothing about Ron Paul. What you have said is nothing more than baseless, fact-less claptrap. How about you stop listening to the MSM and get off your butt and find out what Ron Paul truly stands for.
        Ron Paul has a clear and definable History in Congress supporting the Constitution voting NO on every bill he finds Unconstitutional.
        You refer to a false premise when he has clearly stated he supports a strong national defense. What he does not support is Military Imperialism and 140 odd bases all over the world. Those troops do not defend the nation when stationed overseas. Bringing the troops home consequently does not stop our projecting force if needed, we will still have boats and we still have planes, capable of sailing and flying around the world… As I see it the troops stationed stateside protect and secure the nation, troops stationed elsewhere do not and in some cases even jeopardize the nations security. We even have seen a result of that jeopardy first hand after Kuwait on multiple occasions. The CIA even has a term for it called “Blowback”.

    • Jim C.

      MadPepperJack: Of course there’s more than just safety and security. Another critical element of the Constitution is liberty, or freedom. It’s also the duty of the U.S. government (as well as the States) to protect our freedom. My only point is that if our safety and security aren’t protected, none of that matters – were’re neither free nor safe! Do you think a foreign enemy such as, say, a radical Islamist country, would allow us freedom? To be free, we must be safe. The U.S. Constitution was meant to ensure both.

      • DaveH

        So you believe, Jim, that our Government is protecting our Freedom and Security whilst they are taking both away in other countries and making us enemies that we wouldn’t otherwise have had? Unbelievable.

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        We lose our freedoms incrementally year after a year, non stop, in favor of more security. At what point do we become Free and Secure?

  • mark

    Stick a fork in Ron Paul’s presidential campaign. It ‘s over. In fact it never really even began – or existed. At least not in the realm of reality.

    • Butch

      You wouldn’t know reality if it punched you in yr ignorant face, which is what you deserve for being so stupid.

      • JimRed

        Since violence is the perview of the left, I must conclude that you are only here trolling. Begone!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      If Ron Paul’s campaign never existed or never began, why are you so preoccupied about Ron Paul.

    • castaway

      HOw can you be so ill informed and so ignorant? Oh its me, sorry, you are a liberal/socialist/commie infiltrator.

    • Michael J.

      I hate to burst ya’ll’s bubble, but Santorum’s dropping out changes nothing. Outcomes are predetermined and Ron Paul will not be allowed to win, much to my displeasure. As we speak, Obama is ramping up his media warriors in the quest for Ron Paul’s silencing. What is right
      now verbal will become physical if need be.

      Though most have conquered the right-left paridigm deception, the next hurdle in this oval track, ground-hog-day race of repetitive repetition is the illusion of voting.

    • vicki

      Mark writes:

      Stick a fork in Ron Paul’s presidential campaign. It ‘s over. In fact it never really even began – or existed. At least not in the realm of reality.

      This is what MSM and the Republican Establishment desperatly wants us to believe. Unfortunatly for them there is now a wide channel of news beyond their monopoly. That is why MSM has become mostly irrelevant and the Republican party may soon follow.

      That channel is the Internet and especally Socal Networking. obama’s people know this and use it regularly and along with the fauning of MSM makes him harder then average to beat.
      Proof of obama’s success with both media lie in his remarkably high approval rating dispite all that he has and has not done to the people.

      • Dave

        Total
        1034
        gingrich
        132
        paul
        26
        romney
        573
        santorum
        202
        unbound
        101

        Face it, even if gingrich and santorum endorsed paul and he got the unbound delegates it would still only get him 461…..That a nomination does not make!

        http://www.gop.com/index.php/comms/comments/updated_rnc_delegate_count1/

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        Dave those numbers have to be BS, most if not all the Caucus states have not awared any delegates to anyone, last I knew.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    I am sure the Paulista loons will be out in full force today. First and Foremost he is not a Conservative. He is, however, a Liabertarian. The party that sitll has open borders in its platform. Which is why I left the Libertarian Party in 1986. You really need to think about how futile a vote for Ron Paul is, and quit repeating the same stupid act over an over again. I am certain that Dave H. will coment and call me Crony Capitalist, as is his vain attempt to besmirch my reputation.

    • Eric Landis

      So according to you: Voting for someone that I like, trust and fully support is futile. Yet, voting for someone that I neither like, trust nor support to go up against someone else that I don’t like, trust or support and hoping for an acceptable outcome is a winning strategy?…and that’s b/c the first guy that I don’t like, trust or support is sure to win even without my vote so I may as well just roll over and not even let it be known that I don’t like the guy and insetead throw my support behing him. Yeah, that’s solid logic, let me tell ya. Dude, your an idiot.

      • T i m

        ERIC , call me an idiot as well . I have supported Ron Paul from the beginning , 5 years ago . The state where I live has a Republican Governor . The peoples choice vote last month gave it to Santorum . THE STATE DELEGATES gave it to Romney . The Governor and the BUSH Family endorsed Romney . Rick Santorum won the peoples choice vote . I will continue to support Ron Paul . My name is T i m

      • Eric Landis

        @Tim. You’re not an idoit…You’re doing what is right and that is voting your conscious… for your choice…This question of “electability” and the idea of “voting for the guy who can win” has got to be the most mind numbing and totoaly a$$ backwards line of reasoning that I have ever experienced. For the life of me I cannot relate to or understand these brainwashed “voters” (AKA: Morons) who cast their ballot for the guy that they have been told is the guy that will win. For Goddness sake people, VOTE FOR THE GUY YOU WANT TO WIN! The guy who most closely aligns with your values, etc. That’s the whole reason we vote. If you’re not voting for the guy you want to win, then you’re doing it wrong. If you keep voting for the same idiots over and over, you will only get more idiots. Actually, you encourage them by voting for them. If your content with being told who to vote for, then don’t bother voting in the fist place. I don’t think that saying this will matter, b/c I’m beginning to believe that these “I don’t want to waste my vote” people don’t have the slightest bit of intelligence or reason to appeal to.

        • T i m

          Consider and explain this . The teachers union endorsed Obama last election . When I heard that over the world news , I knew the election was over . Add the welfare population to it . I will continue to support Ron Paul .

      • Vigilant

        T i m, the unions ALWAYS support the Democrats. Where have you been, that you are just now discovering this?

      • T i m

        Vigilant , don’t jump ship on me here . I know the unions are Democratic based . I was reminding those who do not know , the reasons Obama was elected in the 1 st place , even though the word elected is a joke . Democrat or Republican does not matter . When the leader of the teachers union said it over the world news , week of the election , I knew the election was over . Add the welfare population to it . The teachers do not need be a union ” member ” . They are still expected to vote Democrat . If more teachers knew they pay welfare population through their social security , i bet it would change a lot of things fast . It surprised me how many people do not know this . Our politicians got to stop sugar coating the entitlements program . EVERY ONE KNOWS WHAT WELFARE IS . So many do not know welfare is paid from social security . Ron Paul is looking at changing this . The last 3 presidents have talked about it . Nothing yet . Call it what it is . Entitlements is welfare . Every recorded wage earner in America pays welfare through social security . The more you earn the more welfare you pay .

      • Capitalist at Birth

        You are an idiotic loon. So there. Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me. Guess I accomplished my goal to get some one like you so excited you would start calling me names.

    • Butch

      Yr reputation is that of a dumb@$$. If you want to protect that reputation, trust me, you have nothing to fear after reading yr ignorant diatribe.

    • castaway

      I have read your posts, and you are certainly not a celebrity,nor one who has the answers.

    • TML

      Cap says, “First and Foremost he is not a Conservative. He is, however, a Liabertarian. The party that sitll has open borders in its platform.”

      Ron Paul is a Constitutional Conservative, so you’re incorrect there, as well as make the error of labeling. Ron Paul definitely has a policy of protecting our borders… he is from Texas and understand the issue more than your average bear. It’s best to listen to the individual and take their positions as they state them, rather than asking/looking for a label in which to attach. This is a fallacious tactic similar to a Strawman.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Then why did he run as a Libertarian in 1988 when they had the open borders policy in their platform. Are you saying he did not support the platform? Therefore making him a liar?

      • TML

        Cap says, “Then why did he run as a Libertarian in 1988 when they had the open borders policy in their platform. Are you saying he did not support the platform? Therefore making him a liar?”

        Must one support every ‘official’ stance of a given label such as Libertarian, Republican, or even Democrat… without being a hypocrite? I would come closer to saying that those who zealously follow the official position of a given party, without respect to principle, are the true Democrats, Republicans, or Democrats… the rest should be labeled human. In plain terms… just because someone is associated with a party does not limit their humanity from disagreeing with certain parts that ‘official’ philosophy.

        It might be interesting to note, in your case, that Ron Paul endorses Ayn Rand in the philosophy that Capitalism is the only social concept that allows for individual liberty.

      • TML

        “are the true Democrats, Republicans, or Democrats”

        Sorry for the redundancy… the last should have read ‘Libertarian’

    • DaveH

      You are neither a Capitalist nor a Conservative, CC. So I conclude that you must be a Crony Capitalist. You might be a NeoConservative, CC, but you certainly aren’t a Conservative. If you were, you’d know that Ron Paul is one of the few who understands the wisdom of our Founders.
      You, CC, are either feeding at the trough, or you are just plain ignorant. The reality is that people like you have gotten us to where we currently are by voting and encouraging others to vote for more of the same old Big Government Growthers.
      You are probably in the majority, CC, whatever comfort that gives you. But the majority don’t test in the 90th percentile, which is why we’ve lost our Freedom.

    • DaveH

      Crony Capitalist says — “Dave H. will coment and call me Crony Capitalist, as is his vain attempt to besmirch my reputation”.
      What reputation, CC? I’ve rarely heard you say anything intelligent.

    • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

      Repeating the same stupid act over and over, would be voting for the media backed Big Government Flavor of the month as has been done since I can remember and expect any real change past the current trend towards economic oblivion. Certainly voting for the medias Big Government Flavor of the month has not changed a thing, now we have a candidate, who is NOT Romney, in which the media does not favor and who has a clear record for opposing the current trend and we are not supposed to vote for this person?
      Not voting for this person would be stupid indeed and borders on pure idiocy.

      • Dave

        [quote]Repeating the same stupid act over and over[/quote] Kinda like voting for someone again and again that is not going to win while taking away votes from the one running against obama

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        Dave: “[quote]Repeating the same stupid act over and over[/quote] Kinda like voting for someone again and again that is not going to win while taking away votes from the one running against obama”
        This line of fallacious thinking clearly demonstrates you lack of understanding as to who Ron Paul appeals to. Ron Paul would be pulling votes from both Romney and Obama both giving him a better chance of winning than either of the clones will have 1 vs 1.

        • Dave

          I understand perfectly, paul attracts loons like himself….THE GUY CAN’T AND WON’T WIN

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        Dave, Every word you type further betrays your ignorance. Seriously you should quit, it only makes you look foolish…

        • Dave

          Ummm…. sure

  • El Love

    If Republicans and Conservatives thought Ron Paul could beat Barak Obama he would have garnered more than 4% of the delegates. He is now an obstructionist like he was in 2008. If he really wants to help America, then step down and stop trying to take votes (a al Ross Perot) from the GOP candidate and help us defeat Obama — that is the goal.

    Ron Paul may be a Constitutionalist, but he is also believes in isolationism. Not a good policy.

    There is not a ghost of a chance that Ron Paul will win the Presidency and it is time for him to stop this ridiculousness and act likea team player.

    • Butch

      WOW, could you be a little MORE disinformed??? Yr the genius that believes what hes spoonfed on TV, right? Get this thru yr head: Ron Paul and his supporters are NOT supporters of the GOP. I support the Constitution and liberty, NOT some hopelessly corrupt, ineffectual party. And minding yr own business is NOT isolationism. For teh sake of argument, lets say it was, do you knopw how many bases China has all over the world? NONE. yet they are powerful, richer than us and easily has a bigger army than us complete w/ nuclear weapons. Wow, being “isolationist” hasn’t HURT CHINA ONE BIT. WAKE UP, IDIOT!!

      • Vigilant

        “they are powerful, richer than us.”

        Butch, take a basic course to increase your knowledge before you make an idiotic statement such as that. You’re entirely wrong.

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        We clearly have more debt than they do, our debt Dwarfs the world’s Debt. Our debt is now more than our GDP. We clearly rule debt. Yea we may be richer for now, but we lose ground every passing day since our production powerhouse moved to China. Oh and a new reserve currency will be found eventually given current trends, so we will soon no longer have access to the printing presses and will actually have to fund our spending… So much for being richer. probably poorer in one to two decades.

        That said, nobody has a clear definition of China’s “military power” past manpower and they clearly have more of that and have had more for some time now. They have our production, they have our computers and they clearly have more man power with a rising economy. They have been stealing and receiving technology for decades. They also clearly demonstrated an ability to kill satellites meaning we wouldn’t have access to superior GPS tech for long, assuming ours is indeed superior. It would be lunacy to assume they are weaker militarily… Best to assume otherwise and hope it aint so.

    • T i m

      You are so wrong

      • El Love

        He’s running for the GOP nomination, genius….

    • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS IN AUSTRALIA

      Wow, you support the retreat of a Candidate because it does not suit you as it might steal customers/voters from your preferred candidate?. I believe in free enterprise for election candidates too..and I support Dr Ron Paul

      • El Love

        He still can’t and won’t win.

      • DaveH

        I’m hoping that Ron ditches the Republican losers and runs as a third party candidate, where he will pick up thinking people from both major parties.

        • Dave

          Sure he will…..and reelect obama(ross perot comes to mind)

      • DaveH

        Check out who leads in the Straw Poll votes by people who have actually heard the Candidates speak:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_polls_for_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012#Zip_Code_Totals

        It seems that Ron Paul doesn’t do so well with the ignorant people who vote on looks or some other banal criteria.

    • castaway

      The real truth is that if the media would have given him the same coverage as the other losers, he would be so far ahead they could not catch him at light speed. Then there are commie derailers like you and many in here that would love to derail his campaign.

      Ron Paul and his supporters have something you do not have nor understand, and that is love of country, and our law, the US constitution.

      Are all the [offensive word removed] in here today?

    • Average Joe

      “Ron Paul may be a Constitutionalist, but he is also believes in isolationism. Not a good policy. ”

      Actually, Ron Paul advocates being Non Interventionists…not Isolationists, Learn the difference:

      non·in·ter·ven·tion
         [non-in-ter-ven-shuhn] Show IPA

      noun
      1.
      abstention by a nation from interference in the affairs of other nations or in those of its own political subdivisions.

      2.
      failure or refusal to intervene.

      i·so·la·tion·ism
         [ahy-suh-ley-shuh-niz-uhm, is-uh-] Show IPA

      noun
      the policy or doctrine of isolating one’s country from the affairs of other nations by declining to enter into alliances, foreign economic commitments, international agreements, etc., seeking to devote the entire efforts of one’s country to its own advancement and remain at peace by avoiding foreign entanglements and responsibilities.

      In other words..trade with countries, be friends with countries…but stay out of thier internal affairs….Thier nations problems ane non of our business. If we are offended by any nation…we don’t do business with them…we don’t trade with them…..but, we stay out of thier affairs….and we stop throwing money at them

      • DaveH

        Good Comment, Joe.

    • TML

      El Love says, “If Republicans and Conservatives thought Ron Paul could beat Barak Obama he would have garnered more than 4% of the delegates. He is now an obstructionist like he was in 2008. If he really wants to help America, then step down and stop trying to take votes (a al Ross Perot) from the GOP candidate and help us defeat Obama — that is the goal.”

      The race for delegates isn’t over yet, and running for the nomination does not equate to being obstructionist from an objective perspective. It’s only considered “obstructionist” if you support a different candidate, which clearly would be subjective opinion.

      Also, there are no facts to back up any ideas that Ross Perot “stole” any votes, that Ron Paul should be equated with such now. Such is the logical fallacy; Cum hoc ergo propter hoc (with this, therefore because of this).

      Additionally, Romney may not be any different than Obama as he openly admitted during a presidential debate that he would have signed the NDAA into law.

      El Love says, “Ron Paul may be a Constitutionalist, but he is also believes in isolationism. Not a good policy.”

      “Ceasing to deal with other nations with threats of violence is not isolationism, it is the opposite. Opening ourselves up to friendship, honest trade and diplomacy is the foreign policy of peace and prosperity” –Ron Paul

      El Love says, “There is not a ghost of a chance that Ron Paul will win the Presidency and it is time for him to stop this ridiculousness and act likea team player.”

      I believe the success of his campaign proves otherwise, as it is narrowly down to just 3 candidates and still going strong with support. These are the reasons why people responding to you say you are badly misinformed.

      • El Love

        the delegate count speaks for itself — school yourself. He can’t and won’t win, period.

        • MadPepperJack

          Learn about how the delegate process is actually working. Ron Paul has far more than 4% of the delegates which we know for sure are devoted for him, and a good deal of the other delegates aren’t even locked in yet.

          • Dave

            According to the Republican Party(of which, Paul claims to be a part)Paul has 26 delegates, it takes 1144 to win the nomination, schools out.

            http://www.gop.com/index.php/comms/comments/updated_rnc_delegate_count1/

          • MadPepperJack

            And the Republican party’s been lying the whole time and has been doing everything in its power to help Romney win.

          • Dave

            Oh yes, I forgot, you paulinistas always say someone has to be lying about poor Ron. whackos whackos whackos, everything is a conspiracy…DOH Reality bites!

          • MadPepperJack

            Well, perhaps you’d want to explain why all the states Romney was expected to do well in were moved up first. Perhaps you’d want to explain why the media repeatedly jumps the gun and declares Romney the winner in states that have later had faulty results. Perhaps you’d like to explain the blatant discontinuity between the GOP’s “official” delegate counts, and reality. Or maybe you wonder why the media always hounds Ron Paul about third party bids, his “secret deals” with Romney, or why he just doesn’t drop out already because he has no chance of winning – and let’s just face it.. we’d make poor Romney look bad!

            The writing’s on the wall, and you ignorant sheep keep bleating there’s absolutely nothing wrong with the way things are. Oh really. Do you honestly think Romney has any real plans? All he can do is bash Obama, and Obama will be able to quip right back at him with more rhetoric. It will be easy to expose Romney for the corporate machine he really is.

            You can’t seriously vote for Romney. You just can’t. Even IF he said things that made sense and promised to do the right things, we couldn’t trust him. Not even for a second.

          • Dave

            No I am definatly not happy with the way things are, I want Obama voted out, not try to elect a pipe dream and if that pipe dream doesn’t win, not vote at all….Thats lunacy

      • TML

        Dave says, “If that pipe dream doesn’t win, not vote at all….Thats lunacy”

        Indeed, that is why most say they will write his name in anyway possible.

        “Always vote for Principle, though you may vote alone, you will cherish the sweetest relefction that your vote is never lost” – John Quincy Adams

        • Dave

          Not if you have a progressive dolt that needs to be evicted from the white house, your “principles” are screwing up my country and my grandkids future and that makes me mad as hell!

      • DaveH

        Dave says — “No I am definatly not happy with the way things are, I want Obama voted out, not try to elect a pipe dream and if that pipe dream doesn’t win, not vote at all….Thats lunacy”.
        No, Dave, lunacy is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. How do you suppose we are ever going to shrink Government if we keep electing people who won’t shrink Government, Dave?

        • Dave

          So your answer is to not move in a different direction than we are now just because Ron Paul is not the nominee you stay home and not vote? The people who did that last time got us saddled with obama. There is always a lesser of two evils.

          “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” (Edmund Burke)

      • DaveH

        As Hitler said — “How fortunate for Leaders that people do not think”.

      • TML

        “lunacy is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

        Off topic – I’ve always thought these a bit of a paradox: If at first you dont succeed, try, try again / Insanisty is doing the same thing over and over expectin different results

        Hah :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        To be blunt Dave, electing Romney will not change one thing, just as electing Obama did not change a thing. We will still slide into Economic Oblivion while losing more freedoms for a false sense of security we no longer deserve.
        In fact a vote for anyone but Ron Paul, will now help ensure we continue to march off the proverbial cliff. You can easily gauge this by the Media’s and the establishment’s “Anyone but Ron Paul” position.

  • http://www.facebook.com/farmshare1 Rob Illman

    i care about NORTH AMERICANS i care about all people

    PLEASE please I BEG YOU YOUTUBE what in the world are they spraying

    and wake up others PLEASE PLEASE I beg you LOOK IT UP

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Rob, I’ve seen it. I’ve read about it. Rob’s talking about “geoengineering” or “chem trails”. It is very real. I’ve spent many hours researching it. I’ve been photographing regular con trails and chem trails. They are definitely NOT the same thing. I’ve collected the crap that falls from the sky after they spray. I’ve seen government documents that refer to “chem trails”. There is absolutely no doubt that they are poisoning us and the land. “They” claim that it’s nothing more than “weather modification” . Ok…how’s that weather going for you? Floods, hurricanes, tornadoes? No matter how you look at it, it’s evil.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Such idiocy. Your first priority of thought is yourself and not this collective caring for North America and all people.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        He didn’t say anything that would indicate that he was only worrying about himself and neither did I. What concerns me is your use of the word “collective”. That’s a communist term. Everyone is supposed to care about the “collective”. I want my country back! I want all the communists and socialists to take a bus ride to he**. In this country we all have the right to speak our minds even if it isn’t for the benefit of the “collective”.

  • Terry

    Don’t but in to the whole scare tactic about Iran and a bomb. Even if they cobbled together a couple of bombs they would be no threat to us. I have lived in the middle east including four years in Israel and this is just political posturing.
    I met Ron Paul here in Arizona in Feburary and believe me, he is strong on national defence. Just not empire building for the profit of the arms makers and banks, The Russians have had thousands of bombs for decads and the thought of commiting national suicide kept them from using them.
    If Iran did do something, Ron Paul would follow the Constitution and defend us by turning Iran into a parking lot.
    Besides, how will we defend ourselves if the dollar collapses and we are too broke to pay for our defense.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Terry, don’t kid yourself. It would only take one or two small nuclear bombs set off in the atmosphere over our country to trigger an EMP which would totally devastate our country. They wouldn’t need much of a missile to launch it either. The threat of retaliation worked with Russia because they didn’t want their country destroyed in the process. Iran and the radical islamists don’t care. They are trying to cause world war III so that the twelfth imam will return. They want to see death and destruction everywhere because they believe that when it is all over, the entire earth will be under islamic rule. They have proven many times that they are willing to commit suicide to bring this about.

      That being said, I think the greater danger lies with our own government launching a “false flag” event, such as a “dirty bomb” or a pandemic. That would of course be blamed on Iran. Then they would clamp down even harder on our freedoms. Who knows where they will go from there? But I believe it is coming!

      • TML

        Nancy in Nebraska says, “Iran and the radical islamists don’t care. They are trying to cause world war III so that the twelfth imam will return. They want to see death and destruction everywhere because they believe that when it is all over, the entire earth will be under islamic rule. They have proven many times that they are willing to commit suicide to bring this about.”

        Not only do you fail to really understand the people of Iran, their culture, or their religion, but you also suggest that we should be afraid, or that they [Iran] have proven that they will use nuclear weapons merely because some radicals have committed suicide (aka suicide bomber)… this is a stretch of the imagination to make an unjustified leap in logic, as we have seen Japan also use suicide bombers, but such does not equate to taking an action which would obliterate their own country in the process.

        Mind your fear, Nancy

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        TML, I’m not saying that “the people of Iran” are the ones we have to fear. It is their radical president and the ayatollah who have been funding and promoting terrorism and suicide bombings for quite some time. I don’t see how you can dispute this. They don’t care one whit about their people any more than our president cares for our people. We are all just pawns in their game.

        • T i m

          Was the Star Wars Treaty Reagan signed with Russia a joke . AMERICA has the technology to intercept Air born invasion …Do we not . Dr. Pauls foreign policy makes perfect sense to me …..Consider this scenario . You neighbor 3 doors down , does not like you , for whatever reason . He decides to pitch a tent in your back yard to keep track of you , so as he can be prepared to fight you . I do not see any other nation except Islam , camping in AMERICA’s back yard . Have I missed something here . Islam has occupied AMERICA for decades . Go down to your local gas station and meet the owner . Shell gas station where I live is owned by Muslims . Nicest people I have ever met . I do not know what they will be like , if congress press the panick button . I will continue to support Ron Paul for president T i m .

      • T i m

        Why are we trying to create dooms day scenarios about what would happen if Ron Paul gets elected and he changes everything about AMERICA’S foriegn policy . THE BIBLE I READ , says , no one knoows the day or hour of Jesus return . I do not care about IMAM . JESUS CHRIST is who I fear. He is the ONE I answer to . Please let us stop speculating about WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF ………….I will continue to support Ron Paul . T i m

      • TML

        Nancy says, “It is their radical president and the ayatollah who have been funding and promoting terrorism and suicide bombings for quite some time.”

        One could say that America and Israel also promote terrorism, depending on your frame of reference. Iranian scientist have been getting assassinated by someone, for example… and America was even convicted in the world court for state sponsored international terrorism during the Iran/Contra scandal. So, while I don’t dispute what you said, it loses weight when considering more facts.

        Nancy says, “They don’t care one whit about their people any more than our president cares for our people. We are all just pawns in their game.”

        More than likely true, however, again… more is needed. If we look at North Korea, a ruler who obviously does not care a whit about his people by our own standards; would not preemptively use weapons that would destroy himself and his country. Or take Pakistan for an example… a Muslim country, arguably the most anti-American country in the Middle East, who have nuclear weapons, and have not attacked anyone with them… and in fact, state publically that they would only use them if attacked, with nuclear weapons, by another country.

      • DaveH

        More Fear-Mongering by the people who love to keep us scared so they can “protect” us.

    • castaway

      Correct Terry.We could not afford to defend ourselves agains a group of Los Angeles Finest gang bangers, let alone a military of a foreign government.

  • Mal

    Ron Paul only win this if the people stay behind him. The main stream media is all jew owned and Ron Paul is going to cut there money off like all the other countries that we support with our hard earned money. Aid is good if it makes it to the people that need it , but it dose not.Just like all the false give to help this and that in this country. Billions of dollars taken in each year and no cure for cancer. When there is a cure, but no profit in it, lie to the people and get more money.

    • anonymous

      there is a cure for cancer and it is inexpensive, but the american cancer society, the FDA and the american medical association are harrassing the researcher and trying to get false charges against him to shut him down because they would lose too much money if they didn’t have to do surgery, chemotherapy, long hospital stays, painkillers,antibiotics and all the other perks from it.

  • roger gunderson

    I wonder why so many people think that Ron Paul is an isolationist? The answer is simple. The elites of the anti-Paul camp have said that; so all the sheep who hear it fall right in line. Just like all the sheep fell in line with “axis-of-evil” Bush II talk. America is in trouble because there are to many sheep and not enough thinkers. Think about it!

    • Bill

      I promised myself I would never again vote for the lesser of two evils.Ron paul has my vote if I am the only person that votes for him. Had the republicans gotten behind him in the last election Our country would not be in the condition it is now

      • Vigilannie

        Agreed!! and If Romney is ‘obama lite’ (which he is)…then I would think that the 2 of them would split the liberal vote – leaving Ron Paul with all the conservatives (majority I think) – so I, too, will vote for him (even as a 3rd party candidate).

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I agree with you, Bill. I will NOT vote for the lesser of two evils! Evil is still evil. That being said, I believe that obummer will win the election. Hell, I think he’ll win anyway! It’s all fixed! If this is the time that the Phophets speak of I don’t want to be siding with evil, whether it be the lesser of two evils or not! I WILL vote for Ron Paul!

      • castaway

        Same is true for the failing Tea Party whom I contacted and recieved a rather scathing response about Paul and his not being involved enough with their movement.

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        I hear you Bill. I too will be voting for Ron Paul and refuse to vote for Obama or Obama Lite aka Romney. The lesser of two evils is still evil and well frankly I see no difference between Obama Lite and Obama. They are both cut from the same cloth and regurgitate the same BS.

        Ron Paul is the only clear choice for real change.

    • Steve E

      Roger, they are a victim of the GOP Establishment Wholesale Brainwashing Machine.

  • TIME

    A – Reuter’s poll, is worth the same value as what any of you drop in the pot daily.
    WHY?
    Again – Reuter’s is owned by Goldman Sak’s who is owned by the Rothschilds, who just for the record through Goldman Sak’s and Reuter’s the Rothschids also own the AP for you that have no clue thats the {Associated Press,} as well as the UPI, and again for you that still don’t know what that is – that’s the { United Press International.}
    And through the Bank of London again owned by the Rothschilds, the UP, thats the {United Press.} In plain words there is NO MASS MEDIA thats is not 100% totaly controlled from start to finish by the New World Order / 13 Bloodlines.
    And for you that still think that somehow Fox news is not in this, look at where they get thier intel, all the above noted platforms!
    Wake Up and stop being a tool for these elitist pigs who want you dead. Just look at the new law in Calie, where no more single homes can be built, can anyone say Agenda 21?
    Still think its just some crazy United Nations plan that has no effect on you?
    Do you still think that there are NO FEMA camps?
    Do you still think that your safe some how under massive Government control?

    As to political partys, again as any one with a nano amount of brain power can grasp that once in the “CITY STATE of the District of Columbia” there is no DIFFERANCE!
    They are but two sides of the same coin.
    Both partys at that level become ONE in the same, with the same goals the same values and thats is on;y to build the “New World Order,”

    Don’t take my word for it just look at who voted for the NDAA in both houses and what you will find is that other than Dr. Ron Paul and his son as well very few others as in less than 8 in TOTAL.
    You have no other choice than Dr. Ron Paul if you really believe in what this nation was founded on, if he fails to make it, then you can count the number of days before you will have everything you have taken from you — thats how close the NWO is to taking home thier Game Ring, as in they win YOU LOOSE.

    No one in America need fear IRAN nor any other of the BOGGIE nations your told hate you they are no differant than you are. They want to live their life and be happy. Stay out of other nations and lets bring back the ORIGINAL Constitution and the Original 13th Amendment, that was on the books long before old Dis Honest ABE’S Rhetoric!

    Long Live the TRUTH, ** Please for your own good and so you can fight the real beast – watch the Youtube feed’s { Season of Treason } vol 1-3, just use the Google its really no differant than any of the others, again they all do the same with your intel.

    Peace and Love

    • scared

      Yes I happened to be called for a Leonard Lance phone town hall yesterday. Well they were taking questions. I pressed the number to ack one and the screener asked what it would be and I said NDAA and was going to ask his feelings on the ability of the Military to detain US citizens without cause. Well needless to say never got to my question.

    • castaway

      Good post, and you nailed it dead on. However, the sheep still do not get it!

  • Dwight Mann

    RP in 2012
    The only solution

  • Jim

    I was going to vote for rick and now the way you name call Bob I may have to go with Oromney.

    • Vigilannie

      Romney=McCain (only worse)…..sounds like an exact repeat of the election 4 years ago – and guess who won………!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Vig, isn’t it amazing how history repeats itself? Give us a candidate who stinks to high heaven then obummer will win again. Gee, do you think it was planned that way?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      You are such a sensitive fellow to be so concerned when Bob L says the truth about a pollitician.

    • castaway

      YOur brain is disfunctional. You have a serious short circuit. LMAO

    • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

      Do yourself a favor and research Ron Paul yourself. You will be better for it.

  • Alex

    People saying that Paul cannot beat Barack “the Constitution killer”Hussein Obama, and the only one can do it is Mitt “the flip”. Amazing, Americans must be really stupid losers!
    THE FACTS:
    Obama and Romney both are being funded by the same big corporations! ARE YOU BLIND!!!??

    My vote is for Paul since the first time I listened to him talking about closing the “Federal” Reserve (wich is a private company that makes you pay taxes to them, and then give the money for free to european banks).
    Also he has been gropped by the TSA (because he flyes in the same plains than you and me, not in private jets like Romney and Obama.) Think about that and don’t vote red or blue, vote for freedom and justice, vote for the only candidate is working for the people, Dr Ron Paul.

    • nc

      Alex, if the Ron Paul people want to be heard at the polls they should vote for Paul in Nov.
      At least they will have two chances for a President who is less than totally committed to letting Isreal get into a war regardless of the situation. They will have two chances for a President who thinks our troops should be out of world danger zones when there is nothing more for us to gain. They will have at least two chances for a President who’s brain does not reset to a new “position” everytime his eyes blink like Flip Romney!
      Vote Paul for impact instead of blind allegiance to a party that has shown you what money they will support rather than your beliefs! How many primaries does it take to show the true Republican Party interests??

  • Vigilannie

    Anyone that believes Mittens will be an ok candidate if he picks a conservative VP, needs his head examined (and deserves obama back)…..if that happens it will be an exact repeat of the election 4 years ago! Romney=McCain.
    RON PAUL 2012!!!

  • Dave

    Ron Paul is a loon and has zero chance at getting the nomination, now is the time to quit all these fringe candidates and get behind the front runner(Romney) so we can focus on getting rid of Obama or as im posting here, we will get 4 more years that we will never recover from. Just so we are clear, I have never been a Romney fan, in fact, I think he wants it too much, but facts are facts and either we get behind him and work together to defeat Obama or we stay divided and America loses. To qualify my loon statement about Paul, he has no problem with open borders, or Iran having a nuke….Crazy crazy crazy!

    • Norm

      Dave-
      Which Romney do you support?
      There’s the Liberal Governor of Mass., the ultra right wing Mormon, and everything in between.

      • Dave

        Any one who is running against obama

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        Clearly Dave you are clueless if you think Romney aka Obama Lite, will be any different than the Obama we currently have.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      I will NEVER support romney! NEVER!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

        I’m 100 % with you Nancy !

        Thanks for being a patriot.

      • Dave

        Thanks your one of the ones who will help reelect obama DOH

      • Dave

        Oh and if Paul got the nomination, I would support him because it would be to get rid of obama. Obama HAS to go!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I answer only to GOD!

        • Dave

          I answer for my Grand children, if Obama gets reelected, it is game over for America.

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        Clearly Dave if you truly don’t want Obama then you best be supporting Ron Paul. Anyone else and you hand the election to Obama. True Ron Paul supporters are not voting for anyone other than Ron Paul in any election.

        • http://gmail sancheleezy

          Dr. Ron Paul all the way to the White House. We need to settle only for Liberty and the U.S. Constitution. Not false security and outrageous out of control bankruptcy.

          • Dave

            Ron Paul….Not a snowballs chance in h….

        • Dave

          The polls say otherwise and a vote for Paul is a vote for obama

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        Dave, you apparently missed the Rasmussen poll that shows Ron Paul beats Obama while Romney merely ties him.

        • Dave

          http://www.gallup.com/poll/150743/Obama-Romney.aspx

          Romney 48% Obama 43%

          [quote]These are the results when registered voters are asked: “Suppose the presidential election were held today. If Barack Obama were the Democratic Party’s candidate and Mitt Romney were the Republican Party’s candidate, who would you vote for Barack Obama, the Democrat or Mitt Romney, the Republican?” Those who are undecided are further asked if they lean more toward Obama or Romney and their leanings are incorporated into the results. Each five-day rolling average is based on telephone interviews with approximately 2,200 registered voters; Margin of error is ±3 percentage points.[/quote]

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        Dave did you bother to look at your poll and notice the trends?
        Obama is trending back up and will be ahead of Romney once again in your quoted poll.

        Did you bother to click the link down bottom for “Election 2012″?
        Shame if you didn’t you could have avoided being rebutted.

        Did you happen to miss this?:
        http://www.gallup.com/poll/153764/Obama-Solidifying-Lead-Among-Independents-Swing-States.aspx
        Bottom line: Obama is leading Romney in Independents in swing states.

        Solidifying it says, Romney aka “Obama Lite” is losing ground in key swing states. You see he is already losing in them.
        In other words “Obama Lite” is toast and it will only get worse once Obama brings the full might of his $1 billion+ war chest to bear. A wishy-washy flip-flopper with proven Big Government tendencies is not going to beat the Obama.
        Sorry bud, just won’t happen, he does not appeal to enough people across the spectrum, regardless of your 2000+ people poll.
        A pure Republican base won’t win this one, just like it didn’t win the last one. Romney certainly wont win if conservatives would rather puke than vote for him. Independents apparently would prefer a known idiot to an unknown idiot.

        You have to challenge Obama at his voter base, grab the independents, grab the conservatives and grab some of the Democrats. Only Ron Paul can do all that with any degree of certainty.

        • Dave

          Actually polls are like ah, everyone has one

          • eraserveap

            You started talking about Polls. Perhaps you should have thought of that prior to bringing them up in the firstplace…

          • Dave

            It was not me who brought that subject up, I just answered a post about a poll with another poll that showed a different result. Paul has no delegates, Romney has them, Paul will not win….So rather than changing the occupant of the White House, you obtuse Paulinistas while help forge four more years of Obama. Way to go goof balls.

          • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

            You see it is Goofballs like you who have us in this situation. Goofballs like you said “Anyone but Bush” in 08 and now you Goofballs are saying “Anyone but Obama”. None of you have stopped to look and see who that “Anyone” is. Bush Sucked, Obama has done nothing different and he sucks. Now you want another loser who will continue the Trend of doing nothing different.
            I and many like want real change not just a mere change of skin color and faces. We want change of policy and to stop the trend of marching this country over the cliff into Economic Oblivion. Sorry but Romney aka “Obama Lite” wont change crap. He will continue to spend, continue to grow the Government and continue to take our Liberties.
            If not voting for Obama Lite makes me and others like me a Goofball, then I dare say we need more of them. We certainly don’t need more people like you, who can’t see the Big Government Schills that exist in both parties and cause nothing to change for the better election after election.

          • Dave

            Paul was not the nominee then either and I voted against Obama with my vote for McCain. I bet you voted for Paul on a write in….And im the goofball….Hmmmm

          • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

            But it was you who responded to me with a Poll supposedly supporting your position. If you can’t handle what they really say, then you shouldn’t refer to them or carry on when it shown they really don’t.

          • http://gmail sancheleezy

            I am going to vote in the California June Primary for Dr. Ron Paul, but in the end if Romney is the final choice,l will vote for him. in the Fall 2012 General Election. What you do not seem to be able to comprehend is that the party platform of the Republican Party must be steered into a less pro-gigantic government bureaucratic nightmare plus less of an interventionist covert foreign policy program platform. We need to strengthen our trade policy with other nations in a less military fashion and promote our constitutional republic principles and not assassinate and overthrow political leaders in other countries in the world. The forces of the military-industrial complex continue to create enemies abroad, proceed to sanctions, promote and fight wars and then rebuild after the conflict at the expense of the American citizens. We even have a war on drugs which costs us even more billions of dollars each year as we bankrupt the United States of America, with China and other nations holding our debt over us. Research it yourself before you make nonsensical comments.

          • Dave

            Hello to common sense!

          • Dave

            AND, that poll still supports my position that Paul is losing, just as he lost these last primaries. Romney will be the Republican nominee and you can either go for the greater good of evicting Obama or just stay obtuse.

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        in fact Dave your own poll shows “Obama Lite” has already lost 1% and it is now 47% – 44%.

        • Dave

          still refutes what you said……hmm how about that

      • eraserveap

        Prove it refutes what I said.
        I have proven Romney does not appeal to independants in Swing states that he NEEDS to beat Obama. Romney will never beat Obama losing in the Swing states.
        Sorry bout yer luck…

    • libtard

      A vote for Romney is a vote for McCain. A total wash! I, along with millions of others are not going to waste time on another loser like Romney. If you are gullible enough to believe Faux newz every time a phony poll is released, go ahead and push the Obama re-election button!

      • Dale on the left coast

        Tard . . . . if McLaim had been elected instead of the O’bomination . . . I believe the country would be in much better shape today . . . 2012 will be the most important election in the history of the country, 4 more years of the “O” and even George Washington himself could not bring the country back. There may not even be an election in 2016 . . .
        On the positive side . . . get out and work for “Conservative” causes . . .
        RP will be past 80 and hopefully will hang it up by 2016 . . . as he is no conservative ! ! !

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        Dale, you clearly are cluesless if you honestly think anything would be different under McLaim… We would have the same crapsandwich we got today with slightly diferent smell and that’s it. Just as if Romney is elected over Obama, which is highly unlikely, we would still have the same crap sandwich with a few more trimmings.

    • Chris

      Romney gets the nuts!My vote will always be for Ron Paul,Simple as that.I’d rather eat dirt than vote for mitt or Obama.I repeat…my vote will always go to Ron Paul and I’m pretty sure Ron Paul supporters will never abandon him.Mitt is a joke!!!!!

      • Dave

        Paul will never get elected, a vote for paul is another vote for obama

      • anonymous

        and if ron paul doesn’t get elected we all will be eating dirt because eventually nobody will be getting paid

        RP 2012!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        @Dave
        Corrected:
        Paul better get elected, as a vote for anyone but Paul is another vote for 0bama.

        • Dave

          In the military, we called hards like you doop de doos

          • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

            In the military we called abject failures like you “No Gos”.

          • Dave

            Shows what you know, no go’s stands for National Guard………

    • castaway

      Actually Dave you are the loon. Where do you get your loony info? From the left? LOL Ron has repeatedly said he would secure our borders, and Iran is no threat to us, it is our very politicians that are a very real threat to us. Dumb dickhead! LOL

      • Dave

        Borders secured? Ever watch any of the debates? I have and heard him say that he has no problem with the illegals coming across. Iran is no threat? keep thinking those isolationist ideas, they will only serve to get you dead from a terrorist.

    • TML

      Dave says, “Ron Paul is a loon and has zero chance at getting the nomination, now is the time to quit all these fringe candidates and get behind the front runner(Romney) so we can focus on getting rid of Obama or as im posting here, we will get 4 more years that we will never recover from. Just so we are clear, I have never been a Romney fan, in fact, I think he wants it too much, but facts are facts and either we get behind him and work together to defeat Obama or we stay divided and America loses. To qualify my loon statement about Paul, he has no problem with open borders, or Iran having a nuke….Crazy crazy crazy!”

      Your facts are not facts at all, but rather, opinion. It is fact that if we get behind and support Ron Paul he has every chance of winning, and the chances of removing Obama from office are equal if not greater with Ron Paul, as he attracts people from all ages, all races, and all parties.

      As to your quantification of your loon statement about Paul… you’re wrong on both counts. His position is clearly in favor of controlling our borders, rather than open borders… and quantifies that position by denouncing current policies of controlling the borders of other countries, rather than out own. And he also specifically states that he does not want Iran to have ‘nukes’… he says they [Iran] have a right to develop nuclear energy under the Non-Proliferation treaty, which is the same Treaty which disallows Iran to build nuclear weapons. Perhaps you should reevaluate the facts, and support Ron Paul because you are clearly incorrect about him.

      • Dave

        You just keep believing, RON PAUL CAN’T WIN! SHEESH, talk about thick headed individuals. On foreign policy, Paul is looney toons

      • TML

        Dave says, “You just keep believing, RON PAUL CAN’T WIN! SHEESH, talk about thick headed individuals. On foreign policy, Paul is looney toons”

        Do, I don’t believe “Ron Paul can’t win”… I believe he can.

        Ron Paul advocates a foreign policy of friendship, trade, and diplomacy rather than dealing with nations with threats of violence. Tell me, how is that “looney toons”?

        Perhaps you don’t understand his position accurately, friend

        • Dave

          It takes two sides to make a friendship, If one side does not want the friendship your SOL

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        Dave says:
        “It takes two sides to make a friendship, If one side does not want the friendship your SOL”

        Indeed and our current policy is attack first and kill rather offer a hand in friendship.
        Unlike Dr Paul’s position which is offer a hand in friendship and while stopping the practice preemptively attacking countries while demanding others comply with our “Our way or the highway” policy…

        Seriously, it is like you have no clue about recent history and current events…

        • Dave

          Im a Veteran of Desert Shield/Storm, kill them so they don’t have a chance to kill us. Clinton had several chances at bin laden knowing he was responsible for the USS Cole and the embassy attacks, he chose to sit on his thumbs.

          • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

            This starts long before the Clinton years with decades of an Interventionist Foreign Policy. Take a few hundred steps back and try to observe the “Big Picture”. Or just grab some windex…

          • Dave

            You should plug your ears, the wind blowing through is making you more delusional

    • DaveH

      Dave is a loon, and has zero chance at ever making an intelligent comment.
      And then Dave says — “To qualify my loon statement about Paul, he has no problem with open borders, or Iran having a nuke….Crazy crazy crazy!”
      Ron Paul’s real immigration policy (not Dave’s lie about his policy):
      http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/
      You want to talk crazy, Dave? Crazy is throwing a fit about Iran securing a nuclear weapon when our own country has the second most nuclear weapons in the world. Crazy and colossally hypocritical.

      • Dave

        The U.S. is not funding and training muslim terrorrists either and we would never give them a nuclear device to attack another country..Your statement does not hold water, and I can’t make an intelligent post?(cue the twilight zone music for Dave H)

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        Dave: “we would never give them a nuclear device to attack another country”
        Never say never Dave. We DID give Iraq chemical weapon material and we DID fund both sides of the Iraq/Iran war. It is not farfetched to think sometime in the future, we MAY give Nukes to someone under the current establishment if they thought it would benefit them.

  • alexa

    It is important to have a strong defense. The US has been involved in more conflicts since the end of the Cold War than before. And the US needs to get out of everyone else’s internal affairs.
    This video puts it all into perspective.
    If China Attacks America (JUST IMAGINE) http://youtu.be/Q3FORvHKhuk

    • Cliffystones

      While I get the point, I find “videos” like this to be annoying, totally worthless, and insulting to my intellegence. Just like the Porter Stansberry crap this site promotes. Like most of us here, I can read. I don’t need the words of what’s being spoken in the audio flashed up in front of my eyes.

      If you’re going to make a video, take the time to make it “visual”!

    • Cliffystones

      Oh, and for those of you who don’t have time to watch, I’ll summarize. Chinese troops on U.S. soil would suck out loud. The end.

  • http://TheonlythingthatihaveheardthroughoutthiscampAIGNISwHOcanbeatObamaSoundslikea Bessie

    Only thing that I have heard throughout this campaign is “Who Can beat Obama”. Waht is your real purpose for running?

  • jopa

    The Super PACs will not get behind Ron Paul because they fear him the most.He doesn’t seem like the type to bend over backwards and rip off John Q Public to satisfy their need to be gazillionaires and rule the world.Pauls actions speak louder than words in the way he refuses Guv handouts that other politicians feel are owed to them.I believe the main reason at this moment in time for Pauls justification to stay in the race is to pave the way for his son Rand in upcoming Presidential elections.The more votes Paul gets now will affect the future.

  • Norm

    Ron Paul represents a very small percentage of American voters. I personally agree with his views on US imperialism and he seems not to be too extreme on religion.
    On the other hand the notion that we can live by the detailed rules of 1776 is ridiculous.
    The way it looks right now is that Obama will have a second term.
    The Republicans, like the Democrats in 2004, screwed up.

    • libtard

      If you agree with him…for god sakes vote for him! There are millions like you that agree with him..get behind him and bring this country back to where it needs to be

    • Cliffystones

      “On the other hand the notion that we can live by the detailed rules of 1776 is ridiculous.”

      You’re right Norm. It’s the detailed rules of 1787 that we as Americans need to live by each and every day.

      • Norm

        Let’s see:
        Give up 225 years of progress, including medical care, dental care, electricity, plumbing, autos, aircraft, communications, etc, etc…..
        We wouldn’t need Social Security when life expectancy was less than 40 years.
        The state of the art medical care was bloodletting and anesthesia and microbiology were unknown. Who would need medical insurance?
        Taxes could be low because The US didn’t fight imperial wars, nor spend more on arms than all of Europe combined.
        Thomas Jefferson: “Whatever be the Constitution, great care must be taken to provide a mode of amendment when experience or change of circumstances shall have manifested that any part of it is unadapted to the good of the nation … for remedying the imperfections which experience develops from time to time in an organization of the first impression. A greater facility of amendment is certainly requisite to maintain it in a course of action accommodated to the times and changes through which we are ever passing.” (Thomas Jefferson to A. Coray, 1823)

      • Cliffystones

        I’m all for keeping our “225 years of progress”. But if the “progressives” get complete control over that “progress”, we’ll be right where the Soviet Union was!

        The government needs to butt out as much as possible.

    • castaway

      You evidently do not like, or believe in our Constitution, so you are a threat to our republic. continue looking over your shoulder, you are being hunted.

      • Norm

        I repeat:
        Thomas Jefferson: “Whatever be the Constitution, great care must be taken to provide a mode of amendment when experience or change of circumstances shall have manifested that any part of it is unadapted to the good of the nation … for remedying the imperfections which experience develops from time to time in an organization of the first impression. A greater facility of amendment is certainly requisite to maintain it in a course of action accommodated to the times and changes through which we are ever passing.” (Thomas Jefferson to A. Coray, 1823)

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

      Detailed rules from 1776? What kind of idiot are you?

      That’s your freedom you are throwing away with both hands. Why don’t you just leave, America would be better off without you. The constitution is the LAW OF THE LAND. Get used to it or get out.

    • TML

      Norm says, “On the other hand the notion that we can live by the detailed rules of 1776 is ridiculous.”

      This is a Strawman to Ron Paul’s position. Obviously, being a Constitutional conservative, he agrees with the Amendment process as you pointed out, so it is a non sequitur to assume Ron Paul holds that we should like by the detailed rules of 1776 in a way that would abolish constitutional progress.

    • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

      Living by the Constitution does not mean we roll the Constitution back to 1776. That is a fallacious assumption.
      Not to mention that the Constitution has an accepted process for change, should said change be required…
      Fact is living by the Constitution would immediately guarantee we stop sliding into economic oblivion…

  • Max

    It’s Dr. Paul or Tyranny, take your pick. Bring our troops home from all over the world and protect America, we need to fix home and quit all the “Nation Building”. Get rid of the Fed, the IRS, Homeland Security, FEMA, FDA, HUD, Dept. of AG, Agenda 21, the UN, ObummerCare and the Illegal Aliens. That would be a good start. Dr. Paul is the only one that will at least work in that direction.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

      Well said Max. These idiots don’t even realize the danger they are in.

  • Viet Nam Vet 67-68

    Go Ron Paul, where has this Blog and all the others been when we needed them I guess its better now than never? We all need to get out and get rid of Romney(Death Care) and his anti 2nd Amendment attitude. We also don’t want another Rhino Demo_Communist running as a Republican. Romney was recently asked if he would remove the two bills that took away our 1st and 5th Amendment rights and he said it wasen’t necessary because he woulf never use it so then the follow up question should have been “Then we don’t need it if your not going to use it, So why wouldn’t you remove it?”. Romney is a slow Obamination we would have the same it just would take a little longer NO ON ROMNEY the Fake Republican who never made a statement he couldn’t change.

    • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

      sweetie it’s been here all along, nice that you are finally joining us… :)

  • Dave

    Ron Paul can debate Obama on all the issues including the fraud and forgery and a super long list of issues including health care as he is a doctor. Rick and Newt should throw in with Ron Paul and we can beet Obama.

  • james

    is ron paul a lligal american for president ?? the information i read is sheriff joe from arizona has proven that we have an illigal in the white house. what is being done about these problems ??? why is none of this on the media ??

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

      Nothing of importance is ever on the NEWS….

      http://www.activistpost.com/2012/04/19-things-that-talking-heads-on.html

      I think this is important enough that anyone should want to know what is occurring around the world. Just like the bible says earthquakes, volcanoes, tornados all increasing.

      For instance did you hear about the huge tornado on the sun that had 186,000 mph winds and was as big as the earth? I’ll bet you didn’t. I guess those underground bunkers are going to come in real handy for the elite.

      TV is just a propaganda tool….an opiate of the masses—everything’s going to be OK (NOT)

      The world economy is about to completely collapse and we have 2 big govt. big spenders to chose from for president….no choice at all.

      Have you heard these things on the news?….barely a peep on some of them, and most are not mentioned at all

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        Thanks for the link.

  • james

    what is ron paul and congress doing about this problem??

  • gfsomsel

    The main task allotted to the Federal government is to defend the United States from foreign enemies. Ron Paul may have a plan regarding the economy which is worthy of consideration, but when it comes to foreign relations, the man is a loon. He would put this country in the position of the king Jesus envisioned.

    “Or what king, going out to wage war against another king, will not sit down first and consider whether he is able with ten thousand to oppose the one who comes against him with twenty thousand? If he cannot, then, while the other is still far away, he sends a delegation and asks for the terms of peace. So therefore, none of you can become my disciple if you do not give up all your possessions.” (Luke 14:31–33, NRSV)

    I personally do not wish to be put in the position of being forced to “make peace” with those who oppose this country simply because we don’t have any teeth to back up our position. All of you Don Quixotes de la Mancha can tilt at your windmills, but it ain’t gonna happen. Wake up and smell the coffee. Ron Paul may be the only candidate who has offered himself who is actually worse than Obama (mirable dictu).

    • T i m

      You are so wrong . Your research is not complete . Ron Paul is doing the right thing .

      • http://comcast the fisherman

        the old fart sheet does not fit his head anymore

      • gfsomsel

        Yes, Ron Paul is definitely an old fart; but I wouldn’t hold that too much against him. His idiocy is what disqualifies him.

      • TML

        gfsomsel says, “His idiocy is what disqualifies him”

        Obama:
        - Signed into law the NDAA
        - Extended the Patriot Act
        - Assassinated an alleged traitorous American on foreign soil without charge or trial
        - Conducted unjustified unilateral military actions against a sovereign in Libya
        - Seeks to intervene in Syria
        - Expanded the wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan despite promises to the contrary duing his campaign.
        - and not kept open the secret prisons he promised to close down in his campaign, but instead further solidified them and their use through the NDAA

        And yet, you say Ron Paul is worse than Obama?

        That, my friend, is what I call idiocy

        • T i m

          If you are talking to me , please re read my opinion . I fully support Ron Paul for president . My name is T i m

      • TML

        @T i m
        No my response was directed to ‘gfsomsel’
        :)

      • gfsomsel

        TML wrote: “Obama:
        – Signed into law the NDAA
        – Extended the Patriot Act
        – Assassinated an alleged traitorous American on foreign soil without charge or trial
        – Conducted unjustified unilateral military actions against a sovereign in Libya
        – Seeks to intervene in Syria
        – Expanded the wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan despite promises to the contrary duing his campaign.
        – and not kept open the secret prisons he promised to close down in his campaign, but instead further solidified them and their use through the NDAA

        And yet, you say Ron Paul is worse than Obama?”

        Most definitely. At least Obama is coming to some realization that Iran is a danger. Little Ronny is too much of an idiot to realize danger even when it slaps him in the face.

      • DaveH

        Speaking of unbridled ignorance, gfsomsel says — “Most definitely. At least Obama is coming to some realization that Iran is a danger. Little Ronny is too much of an idiot to realize danger even when it slaps him in the face”.
        Iran is a danger? Are you kidding, gfsomsel? Does it scare you when your neighbor walks out of his house? Does it occur to you that you and your kind are the kind of Aggressors that our Government promises to protect us from? Nah, you’d have to have some kind of intelligence to think that deep.

      • TML

        gfsomsel says, “Most definitely. At least Obama is coming to some realization that Iran is a danger. Little Ronny is too much of an idiot to realize danger even when it slaps him in the face.”

        Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

        Is it too far a stretch for you to realize he is well aware of the perceived danger, but unwilling to recklessly commit our sons and daughters lives, preemptively, without Just cause?

        If you pick on the little kid at school all year, is the danger of him/her lashing out with a right hook that knocks you out, unrealized? And if realized, does it cause you to be an even bigger bully? Or must the ‘kid’ earn respect in his/her own way?

        Considering how Ron Paul realized and blew the whistle on our continued intervention leading to more ‘terrorist’ attacks, even back before 9/11 when Clinton waged war with Iraq to distract from his Monica Lewinsky scandal; I would say he is much more aware of the danger long before it slaps him in the face.

    • castaway

      You are a COMMY plant. Please watch your back!

      • gfsomsel

        Typical extremist comment. For your information, I am not a plant; I am definitely animal.

      • Norm

        castaway
        If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bulls**t….

      • castaway

        How do you dazzel a dumb goat/ liberal with brilliance. Boooom! DId that work? LOL

      • gfsomsel

        Castaway wrote: “How do you dazzel a dumb goat/ liberal with brilliance. Boooom! DId that work?”

        No, I don’t think there is anything you could say which would work—and you have no brilliance. You’re just a dumb a$$hole. (BTW: I’m not even close to being a liberal—I’m just not a neo-Confederate.).

      • DaveH

        Your ears are bookends to a vacuum, gfsomsel.

    • TML

      gfsomsel says, “…but when it comes to foreign relations, the man is a loon. He would put this country in the position of the king Jesus envisioned.”

      Is it lunacy to cease dealing with other nations with threats of violence, and promote friendship, trade, and honest diplomacy? That would be a foreign policy of peace and prosperity… and this you call lunacy?

      In the religious example that you give, such kingdom’s military is found to be fewer/lesser. Ceasing to deal with other nations with threats of violence does not put our country and military in an inferior position to any foreign power, that we would be forced to bow to them. Are you advocating a Crusader ideal of preemptive/preventive action to make all foreign nations subservient to US?

      • gfsomsel

        TML wrote: “Is it lunacy to cease dealing with other nations with threats of violence, and promote friendship, trade, and honest diplomacy? That would be a foreign policy of peace and prosperity… and this you call lunacy?”

        How do you deal with someone who is intent on acting violently and only uses diplomacy in order to keep those against whom it intends violence off balance. Yes, it’s lunacy.

      • TML

        gfsomsel says, “How do you deal with someone who is intent on acting violently and only uses diplomacy in order to keep those against whom it intends violence off balance. Yes, it’s lunacy.”

        You deal them a cool head, and stand strong on principle… not to appease, but to lead by example.

      • TML

        It’s not lunacy… quite the opposite actually

    • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

      Absurd is it to think Ron Paul would place this country in such a position. Ron Paul is all for a strong Defense and all that entails. Bringing the troops home would solidify our defense of this Nation because they surely are not aiding it being posted in 139+ bases around the world sitting on their buts or invading countries that have not a hope in hell of defending themselves from us.
      Secondly we will still have the ability to project force. By not bombing countries and preemptively invading, this ability does not magically disappear.
      The only changes Ron Paul proposes is we bring the troops home, require Congress declare war as per the Constitution and stop bullying and interfering in other nation’s business while offering the hand of friendship and trade… By doing this we stop spending like drunken sailor’s and secure the homeland, while at the same time we stop peeing in other people’s cheerios causing them to blow themselves and other innocent people up…

  • Harold Olsen

    Ron Paul definitely IS NOT a true conservative. He IS a fiscal conservative when it comes to the economy. However, when it comes to just about every other important issue, he is an extreme liberal. I don’t know who said it, but someone last year said that Ron Paul is the only Republican (actually, he’s a Libertarian) who would be a worse president than Obama. I happen to agree with that assessment. Romney is an Obama clone and Gingrich, among being a corporite elitist, adulterer and a few other things, is more mean spirited that John McCain. Ron Paul, in my opinion, is a nut job and I could never bring myself to vote for him.

    But, this is just a waste of time. The party has already anointed Mitt Romney and there are enough sheep in the party who will obey the party and suppor whomever they say. It’s as though the party sheep are saying, “Yes, please tell us who to vote for. We don’t have enough intelligence to make our own decisions.” He will be the candidate. I came to the conclusion a lon time ago that the GOP does not want to win back the White House. Because Romney will be the candidate, Obama WILL get reelected and this country will slide even quicker into the dictatorship that Obama is moving it to. Also, I believe that if Obama is reelected, it could be the last presidential election for years, maybe decades, to come.

    Because there is no canididate that I can support, I just may not vote. I’m not wasting my vote on someone that I do not believe in.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

      If Paul refuses to run 3rd party then I’m voting for Gary Johnson of the Libertarian party. I’d be wasting my time to vote for Romney he’s as bad as Obama

    • DaveH

      So, Harold, you think that Thomas Jefferson was an extreme Liberal?
      I think from your comment, Harold, that you are an unwitting Progressive. The Leaders love sheeple like you who are so easy to Propagandize.

  • oldgringo

    Why should the US be the Worlds Policmen…..If Europe, Turkey, Canada, or Australia doesn’t want Iran to have Nukes then let them come up with a solution….We’ve been harping for years about North Korea wanting Nukes and now it looks like they will have them…..So where is the disparity between one country having Nukes and another not having them…..Do we think taking food away from a starving population will have any deterent from stopping N. Korea from attaining Nukes….Punish the peasants but not the government….This is pure muddlehead thinking displaying Obama’s lack of leadership.

  • Average Joe
  • roger gunderson

    “Max says” got it right. Perfect. Ron Paul and Max will put the wheels back on “Old Constitution”, put her on the right track, build a head of steam and give the” ALL’BOARD , crack the throttle and watch Ron and Max just a “smoken” down those tracks towards a America that we can once again hold our heads high and feel our chests pound with pride.—-Thanks Max, I needed that.

  • castaway

    Very true oldgringo, but with all the imbiciles we have in this country who are legal and illegal voters, obama will get another term, unless we get lucky, and I have read it wrong.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

    No…..actually nuclear weapons are obsolete with our scalar technology. HAARP and TESLA DOMES can make them harmless.

    The nations with scalar technology which can destroy anything in the world electro magnetically are Russia, Israel, China and the U.S.

    All the old forms of war are actually obsolete ….why they are going through the motions is a puzzle

  • Average Joe

    Anyone else notice that we sure have a lot of “NEW” commentors around here lately? (seems like an unusually high volume of “New” folks comming in quickly).
    Some are obviously left leaning…but most (not all)…claim to be conservative…..but talk like liberals………Must be election time…..
    Time to smear anyone and everyone who attempts to place the truth in plain view….or attempts to upset the status quo….by trying to elect anyone with Constitutional values..and Christian morals……We can’t have that happen now…can we?

    I have decided that I will not be responding to many of these new folks…as I will not fan the flames of politically motivated silliness….in order to make PLD look bad.
    Maybe, if enough of us just ignore them…they will grow tired and move along.
    Don’t feed the animals………

    Ron Paul / Andrew Napolitano 2012!

    • DaveH

      I second that nomination.

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    As we can see, the unfortunate withdrawal of Rick Santorum from the 2012 race is giving the delusional Ron Paul supporters another excuse to campaign for this old McGovern like crackpot. But I’ll never be convinced. Why not just encourage this nincompoop to retire?? Sadly the GOP is down to 3 candidates – a RINO named Mitt Obamney, an old crackpot, and only one decent candidate left – Newt Gingrich. The best I can do is tell everyone to support Newt, and hope for a miracle. Mark Levin had a great suggestion last night – assuming the RINO Obamney is the nominee. The GOP establishment should pretend that Barack Obama is a conservative republican. Then they can attack BHO in ads similar to the ones by Obamney against his conservative opponents!! ….. And BTW, according to a recent poll of Mark Levin listeners, 29% said Romney was the worst of all GOP candidates, and 51% (a majority!!) said Ron ‘Wrong’ Paul was the worse. No wonder this website is losing its credibility IMHO!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

      Ha ha ha…Santorum, Gingrich and Romney are just globalist puppets….Ron Paul is the only constiutionalist running

  • Wyatt

    The opreative word in reference to Iran is was , I ran was our friend . Was our friend up until a disgruntaled old Islamic Fundamentalist stired up the masses and over threw the Shah and stormed our Embassy taking our diplomatic staff prisoner .

    I agree that America should not be policeman to the world . I donot agree that we should become an isolated country cutting ourselves off from the world . Bring the troops home with that I agree . But Mr Pauls ideas and rhetoric are just a little to unrealistic . And though he wraps himself in the Constitution as a self professed Constitutional Scholar , where are his credentials as such other than words ? The only reason Mr Paul is running as a Republican is that as a Libertarian , his party of choice in past elections where he sought office , he knows he hasn’t a hope in hell . Libertarians are closer to Democratic Socialist party we now have controling things now than they are to anything we think of as American . That is why they never made any in roads as a third party . And to say you will do this or that is easy . But they do not stop to think that there is the House and Senate to deal with . That is unless like Obama you choose to by pass the house and rule by decree .

    That said , I do not see a visble option , but I will support whoever the Republican Party nominates . If it be Mr Paul , I pray he has forgotten his Libertarian ways and is a true Republican .

    • TML

      Wyatt says, “The opreative word in reference to Iran is was , I ran was our friend . Was our friend up until a disgruntaled old Islamic Fundamentalist stired up the masses and over threw the Shah and stormed our Embassy taking our diplomatic staff prisoner .

      I agree that America should not be policeman to the world . I donot agree that we should become an isolated country cutting ourselves off from the world”

      It seems you might actually support Ron Paul if you understood the facts a little better.

      For one, Ron Paul is non-interventionist, not isolationist.
      “Ceasing to deal with other nations with threats of violence is not isolationism, it is the opposite. Opening ourselves up to friendship, honest trade and diplomacy is the foreign policy of peace and prosperity” – Ron Paul

      Second, since you are against America policing the world, perhaps you should know that the facts are, Iran was only our friend during the time the Shah (a very despotic ruler to his people) because we (CIA) conducted a coupe to overthrow the first vestiges of Iranian democracy in 1953 and replaced the Shah back in power. When the Iranian Revolution occurred and led to the Hostage Crisis you speak of, that Embassy was the same in which the CIA conducted the coupe. You should have an understanding of what the demands were of those that took the Embassy hostage, and you would understand that our bad relations with them are a direct result of the ‘policing the world’ that you oppose.

      Wyatt says, “If it be Mr Paul , I pray he has forgotten his Libertarian ways and is a true Republican.”

      I think it’s clear from his individual positions which are based on following the Constitution as he interprets it, shows that he is not held down under the principles of Libertarianism. For example, many here equate Libertarianism with supporting open borders… Ron Paul does not. Many here equate Democratic Socialist with supporting redistribution of wealth, Ron Paul does not, in fact, he strongly opposes it. Many here equate Republican as being against Gay marriage, yet, Ron Paul says the federal government should have no say so in the matter.

      Only when you free yourself from the limits of thinking inside the boundaries of a label, can you reach the true position of a person, which is always more complex than black and white, left and right, conservative or liberal.

  • Ted Crawford

    Dr. Paul calls himself a Constitutionalist While that’s true, given the nature of his complete platform, he’s carried it to an extreme. He comes across to many of us as a Narcissistic Idealogue, believing as he does that his, and only his is the accurate interpretation of the Constitution.
    A case-in-point; Dr. Paul claims that he is a noninterventionalist in the tradition of our Founders. Therefore, in his own words, ” It’s none of our business if Iran develpoes a nuclear weapon “. It would also be impossible, by his stated policy, to prevent the proliferation of nuclear weapons anywhere in the World, short of a Constitutional Declaration of War.
    What no one has answered, though I’ve brought it up many times, is why,if our Founders were so determined to establish only a Static Defence Posture, did they feel it important enough to include the power to grant Letters of Marque in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 11 of the Constution?
    Given the nature of conquest and warfare of that time, that seems very proactive! Our Founders could never have concieved of a nations ability, without so much as moving a single ship or even a single soldier, to devastate another nation!
    The Founders, while clearly possesed of a highly developed sense of self confidence, were not Narcissists. If they would have been they would never have included Article five into the Constitution
    I don’t believe that the Founders would support Dr. Paul on the issue of National Defence! That’s a deal breaker!!

    • castaway

      I do not remember Paul claiming to be a non interventionist. As far as for nuclear proliferation, we do not seem to be fairing very well. In addition, our military is working on differnent forms of nukes. Paul simply says,based on history, we as a nation have caused more problems than we have solved. What happens when you put a stick in a hornets nest?

      He also never said we would not continue in some way with bases around the globe,as he would do what congress and the people want. He believes in the Constitution as do I, and many many others. Hey, its up to you Crawford do you want to have liberty, and our freedoms restored, or do you like the fact that under the current system, you and I are nothing more than “FeedLot Cattle” who make them money, and empower the hell out of them? It simply aint’t worth a shit the way it is, and gets worse by the day.

      Once we stray from the U.S Contitution, we have failed,and opened the door so the wolves can enter and feed at will. They are now feeding on our Bill of Rights. How do you feel about that? Maybe you like being hovered over by Uncle Sam, but I hate it with a passion. That passion runs so deep, that I now want to fight for what I believe in, and it ain’t socialism/communism. TOO many Americans want it to be the same crap, different day. That is what you will get with the other candidates, and a totally lost republic,Constitution, and Bill of Rights under another term with numb nuts obama the commy.

      • castaway

        would the moderator please tell me what you did not like in this post? Are you that trivial, or just a common donk like a lot of these people? Are you for free speech or not? If so you need to let that happen, and is someone does not like it they can always go to mommy and cry about it. How childish this is.

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear castaway,

          The moderator works at my direction. You are frequently in violation of our terms of use policy. I would advise you to read it, and take it to heart. I have asked you on at least two occasions to keep your comments civil. You are about to reach the point where your comments automatically go to a moderation filter before appearing when cleared by the moderator.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • http://wildeyguns.com Wildey

            Mr. Livinston, A long time ago one Indian tribe in upstate NY had a castaway in their midst. Their treatment was to ignore him, completely. When he stood in their midst people would look right thru him as if he wasn’t even there. To respond to him was to give his existence recognition. The godless socialist are giving Ron Paul that treatment only we know Ron Paul needs our support. Don’t give your web page any space for the castaways, after all, by his choice he’s castaway.

          • Deerinwater

            It’s Mr. Livingston’s call, I thought he addressed it rather well by offering the personal touch and willingness be tolerant but be direct. As Mr. Livingston addresses castaway, he addresses us all is what you should weigh and consider.

            Running a “free of all” political commentary is a daunting task.

            It is this very quality of character in leadership offered by Mr. Livingston that I need to see in Ron Paul.

            It’s very easy to set back and second guess leadership when you are not carrying the responsibility of it. This absence in responsibility make any decision easy!

            Once you put on those big shoes, your perspective starts changing rather quickly.

            Like the King with three wishes, wishing everything he touched might turn to gold found out. Power is a double edged sword, you can quickly become the instrument of your own undoing.

            In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is certainly King.

            as for Ron Paul, I’d greatly enjoy seeing a Obama/Paul match up and go head to head. I wish the GOP would offer us that, I would gladly accept the final out come of either at this point in time.

          • jay

            deer says: I’d greatly enjoy seeing a Obama/Paul match up and go head to head. I wish the GOP would offer us that, I would gladly accept the final out come of either at this point in time.

            Based on that statement, we can safely assume that you, are not the one-eyed-king!

            Personally, i would greatly enjoy seeing O charged/jailed, not impeached, with impersonating a President of the USA, and would gladly enjoy a Joe/Paul match-up.

      • http://gmail sancheleezy

        We don’t just ram a stick into the hornet’s nest, but through covert operations, manipulate plus set up the whole scenario which brings about our entering into conflicts and police actions throughout the world. Perfect example was before the first Iraq war we gave aid and stengthened dictator Saddam Hussein in order to oppose the theocracy in Iran after the Shah of Iran was overthrown by his citizens. We through our interventionist foreign policy had established him in power there in the 1950′s. Our soldiers in Vietnam were to be evacuated, and this nation was to be declared a nuetral state, as was Laos, by President John F. Kennedy, when he returned to Washington D.C., from his trip to Dallas, Texas in November 1963. Immediately after his assassination as his body was being returned to Washington D.C., Lyndon Baines Johnson just sworn in reversed JFK.’S decision and unleashed hundreds of thousands of troops there, maiming and losing thousands of lives in a futile cause that enriched certain corporations and individuals.

    • anonymous

      ron pauls perspective on war in other nations is if we absolutely have to go to war in other nations, we have a clear objective before we go in, have congress declare war and complete the objective with maximum efficiency and get out, not sit in those countries for years on end getting their whole population to hate us for interfering in their internal affairs.
      he knows there may be times when we have to go to war and is not afraid to do it if it is ABSOLUTELY necessary, but most of these countries we are occupying, we have no business being there

  • gnafu

    Some have misunderstood Ron Paul. He does believe in National DEFENSE and has stated this many times.Ron Paul does want a “Strong” America that no one will want to inflict harm on this country. He just is not a war monger nor does he want America to get involved with other countries wars that have been going on for eons. If they want to kill each other off, that is their business. Not all foreign countries love America and that has proved over the many years. They may be envious but so be it. You can bet that Ron Paul will not bow to any Saudi. If we want to take back America, Ron Paul is the only Candidate who will make sure it gets done NOW. He will surround himself with intelligent people, not dead beat CZARS. Lest we forget, with age comes Wisdom and Humility.

  • Common Sense

    I totally agree with you! So many Ron Paul supporters say if he isn’t the candidate they won’t vote at all! What does that tell you about the mind-set?

    I like Ron Paul, but he isn’t what we need in a president. I wish he and Gingrich would just drop out and get their people on board with Romney or whoever ends up being the nominee, for the sake of this country. It is going to take every vote we can muster to beat Obama ….. not because he should be president, but because so many americans are brain-washed, blind, want government to run their lives, or just plain ignorant. It never ceases to amaze me how the lies that are so platently brought to light are ignored by his supporters. Far be it if we have a third party run to further complicate getting Obama out of office.

    • castaway

      So, in your infinite wisdom, what kind of person would be a good candidate? Do you want more of the same garbage we have been putting up with, or would you like someone that will uphold the Constitution, and let the people decide? You need to get up to speed, and pull that plum from you butt, and let reality hit you. We do not have lots of choices at this time do we? You are mostly all so accustomed to being cared for, you cannot take care of yourselves. So, Paul scares you.

      • Ted Crawford

        The only part of your rant that borders on reality is ” Paul scares you “. YES he does, nearly as much as Obama!

    • castaway

      To reply to you again, you need to change your I.D. I think you also fall into this group:Americans are brain-washed, blind, want government to run their lives, or are just plain ignorant. In this case I see ignorant as running rampant.

      • T i m

        Common sense , You are ssoo wrong . Romney can not do it .

    • TML

      Common Sense says, “So many Ron Paul supporters say if he isn’t the candidate they won’t vote at all! What does that tell you about the mind-set?”

      While I actually hear more people say they will write his name in if they have to, what that tells me about their mindset is that they are tired of voting for the lesser of two evils, fed up with government in their lives (interesting that you say that very thing), and want a candidate that supports less intrusive government, both in their own lives and in meddling in the internal affairs of other countries (as war time conditions always undermine personal liberty), and want to balance the budget and not put our children’s children in life long debt.

      Common Sense says, “I like Ron Paul, but he isn’t what we need in a president.”

      Well, we certainly don’t need the likes of the other options; Obama, Romney, nor Gingrich.

      Common Sense says, “I wish he and Gingrich would just drop out and get their people on board with Romney or whoever ends up being the nominee, for the sake of this country.”

      Interesting you say, “or whoever ends up being the nominee”, when there is now only Romney, Gingrich, and Paul.

      Apply the same logic objectively and you arrive at, “I wish Romney and Gingrich would just drop out and get their people on board with Ron Paul or whoever ends up being the nominee, for the sake of this country”

      Common Sense says, “but because so many americans are brain-washed, blind, want government to run their lives, or just plain ignorant. It never ceases to amaze me how the lies that are so platently brought to light are ignored by his supporters.”

      So while you believe that so many are brain-washed and blind, to want government to run their lives, you completely ignore and dismiss the one candidate whose position is targeted at removing government from running our lives… and you’re calling his supporters ignorant? With all due respect… it seem the ignorance is your, my friend. You really should re-evaluate your position about Ron Paul.

    • Carl Manning

      That tells you that the destruction of our Constitution to satisfy the government’s and NWO’s 911 lie; the continuing slaughter of our military and millions of foreign innocents for the 911 lie; the senseless lunacy of un-Constitutional, imperial nation-building and forced conversion of centuries-old Arab tribal societies to democratic republics; America’s imminent economic destruction at the hands of either one of these TREASONOUS political parties; the acceptance of un-Constitutional Obamneycare; and the continued loss of fiscal sanity regarding our national debt and its enabler, the un-Constitutional FED, are all 100% NON-NEGOTIABLE. Sine when is INSANITY and NATIONAL SUICIDE negotiable??? The GOP Neocon Establishment learned absolutely nothing after they were hung out to dry in 2008 by the Democrat Communists. Their loving embrace of Romney is emphatic proof of that. He has the blessing of world-class criminal, George H.W. Bush, former CIA Director (GOVERNMENT DRUG/SEX TRAFFICKING MAFIOSO & MONEY LAUNDERER EXTRAORDINAIRE) because Romney is a member of Daddy Bush’s criminal cabal. I will not be the least bit surprised when Romney floats out the possibility of Jeb Bush as his running mate.

  • http://turingschild.wordpress.com turingschild

    TBH I don’t think it matters who we vote for anymore. We’re going to be stuck with Romney because it’s already been programmed into the Diebold voting machines. And if those have been hacked, likely everything else has too.

    • castaway

      I hope you are wrong, but think you might have a valid point, then I read about a Spanish company who will be handling our voting/ WTF is going on?

  • castaway

    WIth all the evil that is happening to this country, it really amazes me that people do not want a government by the Constitution. A government by the people, and for the people, does not look anything like we now have. Of course you need to have participants, and the citizens of this land would rather complain for sport and have some other group make all the decisions.

    What I’m reading here, is that if Ron Paul gets the nomination, you will not support him. Its no wonder this country is looking more commy every day. I wonder which side of the revolution you drivels will be on. What a joke. Stupid really is just Stupid.

  • Rocketman

    As recently as last week Paul was at USC-Berkley speaking and 8,300 people showed up to hear him. He was at several other colleges in California and he also drew enormous crowds. When Santorum, Romney or Gingrich have rallies they usually only draw about 200-300 people. People want to hear Paul and they like what he is saying. The establishment media is desperate to shut down Pauls support and that is why they are proclaiming Romney, who most Republicans don’t want, to be the winner of the race. The race is not over and will not be until the convention is over and only then. Paul is gathering supporters and delegates. This is going to the convention where the only thing that the establishment can do is to try to cheat again like they have been doing all along. Personally if Paul is not the Republican nominee then I will either write in Paul or vote 3rd party because I don’t think I can hold my nose and vote for Obama-lite (Romney)

  • Nancy

    I don’t fear picking a fight with Iran so much as their backup–nuclear China, Russia and India, then picking a fight looks like pure suicide mission to me.

    If we wouldn’t be threatening the governments all over the middle east, Iran wouldn’t be in such a hurry to provide for their own defense. Ron Paul has been right all along. I pray America wakes up to this fact before it is too late.

  • Carl Manning

    Let me state upfront that I am a Constitutionalist and a Ron Paul supporter. I understand why Ron Paul has decided to run as a Republican. I understand why he has hung around as long as he has. I know he needed the media attention and a Constitutional, legitimately Conservative voice of sanity in the GOP debates with the Neocon, RINO, 911-hoodwinked, gullible, nutjob, warmonger, Socialist, bailout-loving wing of the party. All that said, with a possibly brokered convention, even if NeWTOn GATTingrich, the snake with legs, eventually drops out, he cannot get the Grand Prize because the lionshare of the GOP party bosses are Romney supporters. They will use the same tactics they’ve been using during all of these primaries and caucuses to keep Ron Paul sidelined and marginalized. Even if they let Ron Paul or Rand Paul speak at the convention, let’s not kid ourselves here: WE ALL KNOW THE GOP ESTABLISHMENT WILL NEVER ALLOW ANY OF RON PAUL’s POLICIES TO EVER SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY! Ron Paul, as Bob Livingston has pointed out here, does extremely well with Moderates and Independents – better so than Romney, especially the variety who have been completely turned off by the tarnished “GOP Brand”. There are many Independents and Moderates who would love a third party or INDEPENDENT candidate with no affiliation with the Establishment Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum, un-Constitutional, fiscally insane, hegemonic, idiot parties of Traitorous whores. Ron Paul, therefore, in my opinion, should milk this GOP game all he can, but after he’s been betrayed by the GOP Establishment as he surely will be, he needs to go Independent because he and Conservatives will have nothing to lose knowing in a 2-way race, if Romney’s the nominee, Obama’s the President in 2012 in a slam-dunk. Obama will portray Romney as an out-of-touch, rich snob with a racist religion and a ruthless corporate raider and Obama will go out of his way to thank Romney for his inspiration for Obamacare. The MSM will bark it up and yap it up like the good little loyal lapdogs they are. Ron Paul surely knows the nation and the Constitution cannot survive 4 more years of Obama, the KGB spy, without some horrible consequences. I can only hope he realizes this.

  • Dave

    [quote] For those Paul supporters who are still unable to understand these repeated, huge rejections at the polls, the answer can be found right in front of their faces.

    Look in the mirror. Keep staring. Now look again. You are the problem.

    The Ron Paul movement consists of too many supporters who are completely certifiable. Let us count their ways.

    They run up and down the hallways of GOP conventions screaming about revolutions. Decorum is replaced with degradation and debasement.

    They shout down speakers they disagree with. They have zero interest in freedom and liberty for anybody except those who agree with them.

    I am one person who simply disagrees with Ron Paul. Let this sink in slowly. I D-I-S-A-G-R-E-E with him.
    [/quote]http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/tygrrrr-express/2012/apr/6/why-ron-paul-rallies-never-translate-votes/

    I agree with the above^

    • http://gmail sancheleezy

      Relax Dave it is the elites who try to dismiss him as a candidate and ignore his message. If you truly understood just what he is advocating then you would most loikely support him as well. Until that time please investigate more thoroughly before you dimiss him and his message.

      • Dave

        Im no elite, and I knew when this idiot annouced he was running again that it was going to be the same old mantra, you all do like last time and stay home and don’t vote and you will deserve what happens again just like those same people deserved this mess. Wishes are for wishing wells and are kinda like the Paul candidacy, you can wish for it but it ain’t gonna happen. Reality bites.

        • MadPepperJack

          lol, and you talk like McCain could have done any better than Obama… they are both the right and left hand of the same puppeteer.

          • Dave

            I would have taken McCain over Obama any day of the week and twice on tuesday

    • http://ncrdbl1.wordpress.com ncrdbl1

      Dave the problem we have is too many Ron Paul supporters have their tin foil hats on too tight. If 99 people out of 100 voted against him they would claim that somehow the powers that be have rigged the results. Even though the polling data showed that 99 out of 100 were against him. I would guess that a large portion of his supporters would forward an email without first verifying if the facts were true or not. They live in a make believe world with pete pan.

      • MadPepperJack

        Except for the fact that Ron Paul attracts the largest, most enthusiastic rallies. Funnily enough, these always seem to be ignored. The amount of money donated from active military personel is also a strong indicator. And an immensly strong majority of Ron Paul’s funding has been through actual supporters, as opposed to mostly corporate donations through super PACs.

        Maybe something you don’t understand is that WHERE the poll is taken also matters. On a Ron Paul website, the polls indicate around 95% people for him. And likewise, on Fox-brainwashed-news polls and such where ignorance is abound, Ron Paul doesn’t do well (most times). The really easy thing to grasp should be that the media only show the polls which they find favorable to their agenda.

        • Dave

          Why isn’t he winning then? Oh wait, it’s another conspiracy. You can’t be saying it’s voter fraud? LOL

  • AJ

    Mitt Romney is a putz he will never defeat obummer. Ron is our only hope. Vote Ron Paul 2012

  • Joe

    I could NEVER trust anyone holding the office of President of these United States who refers to a true traitor to this country as Bradley Manning as a “HERO and TRUE PATRIOT!”

    • http://wildeyguns.com Wildey

      Would you consider someone who takes risk informing the American people what’s going on a traitor or do you think having a ring in your nose being lead by politicians and their agenda is the way to live your life? Bradley Manning brought “facts” to the table without comment. Do you feel he should of buried those facts and let the American people continue on like sheep being lead to the slaughter? FDR said “When you see things happening in politics, believe me they don’t just happen, they’re planned that way”.

    • TML

      A “true traitor” is defined within the Constitution itself. Bradley Manning does not conform to this definition.

      • Dave

        So you also support Bradley Manning? I was in the military and he is guilty!

      • Carl Manning

        Dave,

        I was in the military, too, and like many Veterans, I adamantly support Ron Paul and Bradley Manning because I support the TRUTH. What’s so wrong with the unvarnished TRUTH for crying out loud??? Do you support the slaughter of our boys in all of these fictitious wars based on the lie of 911??? THAT IS TREASON!!! How can you look at yourself in the mirror and call yourself a military man if you allow these young men to be betrayed by their country and continue to vote in politicians who believe this lie, most of whom have never served a day in the military, yet still consider themselves qualified to be President??? We have a full-blown coup d’etat in progress in Wshington, DC by a KGB plant, Barack Obama, who is the Russians’ 2nd KGB plant in the Presidency. Bill Clinton was the first. Because of the false-flag event of 911, they are systematically dismantling our Constitution, our economy, and our country with the aid of the useful idiots in the GOP who have the unmitigated gall and audacity to continue calling themselves “CONSERVATIVES”, and you, a military man no less, continue to support these fruitcakes in open defiance of your oath as a military man to defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. If you took your oath seriously, like most Veterans, you would have no choice but to stand with Ron Paul and the US Constitution, as both the GOp and the Democrats burn it before our very eyes every minute these TRAITORS are in session.

        • Dave

          As members of the military we took an oath to support and defend the Constitution and to obey the orders of those appointed over us. Manning broke that oath and had no right, no matter the truth, to disseminate that information not to mention the deaths caused by its release due to giving the enemy one more recruiting tool. If you want to look at another thing that is getting out men and women killed is the stupid rules of engagement. I am a Desert Shield/Storm vet and see rather clearly thank you.

        • Dave

          treason
          betrayal of country: a violation of the allegiance owed by somebody to his or her own country, e.g. by aiding an enemy.
          treachery: betrayal or disloyalty
          act of betrayal: an act of betrayal or disloyalty
          If it fits, it ships and to me it fits.

      • TML

        Dave, “So you also support Bradley Manning? I was in the military and he is guilty!”

        Not necessarily, no… I don’t “support” Bradley, as I believe a whistle blower would do better to contact a Congressman of even American media with such information, rather than giving it to a website run by a company in foreign lands. However, I do respect his intent to make certain things transparent for the people of America.

        However, you being in the military doesn’t change the fact that he is not guilty of “treason” as defined in the Constitution.

      • TML

        If you took an oath to uphold the Constitution then you should be aware that such dictionary definition of ‘treason’ is irrelevant. If you took an oath to uphold the Constitution, then you should agree that… “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”… as it plainly describes in Article 3 Section 3. There is no room for an elastic definition which could be abused, as you are doing now, in my opinion.

        • Dave

          Aid and comfort, hmmm

      • Carl Manning

        Dave,

        When those “orders” are based on a lie – the lie of 911 – they are completely invalid. When they originate from a KGB spy unlawfully elected in the office of the CinC, they are completely invalid. If more military men had the brass “bleeps” of Bradley Manning and came forward like LtC Terry Lakin and properly questioned unauthjorized military orders, we could get these TREASONOUS piles of human dung out of our government. By continuing to feed the lie of 911 – accepting things the way they are and obeying your commander’s unlawful orders, the damage only gets worse and worse to our country, our military, and our future.

        • Dave

          Soooo, what about 9/11 was a lie? Surely you not one the coo coo truthers?

      • TML

        “Aid and comfort, hmmm”

        Nothing he did could be construed as adhering to, or giving aid or comfort, to an enemy of the United States to make war with the states.

        • Dave

          He AIDED the enemy in recruiting new idiots…Nuff said

      • TML

        Dave says, “He AIDED the enemy in recruiting new idiots…Nuff said”

        Not ‘nuff’ said… as you, without explanation, are now gripping vaguely to the idea of rendering ‘aid’ to an enemy, in a rhetorically inadvertent, or coincidental, way.

        Hold to your oath ‘Knight’, and uphold the Constitution.

        • Dave

          Doesn’t matter if it was a rhetorically inadvertent, or a coincidental, way, aided is aided and giving secrets to the enemy got the Rosenbergs the chair, so the precident has been set.and we were not at war with Russia either

  • http://wildeyguns.com Wildey

    The nation has a choice, Ron Paul or its demise. They’ve said it well about Romney. He, like Obama, is a hatchet man to America. Romney and Obama believe in “might makes right” only aht night has to have teeth and America’s Chapter 7 bankrupt. Ron Paul recognizes the problem and has moral ideas how to fix it. No, the Ponzi game is over like when it caught up to Madoff. While we still have a little respect left, Ron Paul can salvage it and build on it.

    The reality is the decision is up to us. Are we ready to save our country or are we going to like Lemmings marching to the sea. When Castro was taking over Cuba a wealth sugar cane owner escaped and flew to America. As he got out of his plane a reporter confronted him and asked him how are things in Cuba. He made one prophetic comment and then turned and left, He said “At least I had somewhere to go”. America has a choice. Ron Paul or hells fires.

  • Jim C.

    What does “conservative” mean? This article calls Santorum a “faux conservative”. How so? As I see it, a “conservative” is someone who strives to adhere to the core ideas embodied in the U.S. Constitution, and is thereby “conserving” Constitutional values, which is to say American values. Anyone who rejects a full national defense effort by the U.S. government is not embracing Constitutional values and is therefore not a “conservative”. One of the primary purposes of creating the Constitution was to ensure the safety and security of the people, so anyone who demeans or diminishes that purpose is clearly not a “conservative”. By that reckoning, Santorum certainly is a “conservative”, but Ron Paul is definitely not.

    • MadPepperJack

      Rick Santorum does not “strive to adhere to the core ideas embodied by the U.S. Constition.” The constitution is all about CIVIL LIBERTIES and LIMITED GOVERNMENT. These so-called “American Values” are ambiguous and have changed from time to time. This country was founded specifically to be rid of tyranny – such as telling us what religion to believe. Yet Santorum is all for invading your home and bedroom to make sure a man does not make love to another man. He’s all for invading your personal lives and outlawing your porn (if you were into that sort of thing). He wants to impose his personal and religious beliefs upon everyone. This is not in line with freedom and civil liberties.

      Santorum has repeatedly been claimed to be a “conservative” merely because he votes with the Republican Party. The Republican Party claims to represent “American Values”, but these have little to do with civil liberties and limited government. Even the myth that they want “small government” is hardly even true, seeing as nearly every Republican president increased the size of government.

      Your view of the constitution’s purpose is also skewed. It was not made to keep the people “safe and secure”. That’s sort of a no-brainer on any government’s to-do list anyway. The constitution’s purpose was to protect people from the government!

    • T i m

      Jim C. Sir , I can not tell you , you are wrong , even though I want to . AMERICA’S national defense , to me is not in question here .With or with out troops over seas , in any other nation . AMERICA is as secure as we will ever be . I am a veteran , although I have never been over seas, friends of mine who are ” over there ” tell me , our military being in any other nation except our own , does not matter . The other nations are going to do what they do no matter we are there or not . Lots of people do not like Dr. Paul’s national defense opinion because , lots of people will loose a paycheck , WHEN THE TROOPS COME HOME . So many commodities , lots of which congress owns stock in , or owns the company , sales would stop . AMERICA HAS the technology to protect our selves from our own borders . Israel does not need anyones help , with defense . I will continue to support Ron Paul . T i m

  • Liberterian

    It would be a miracle for Ron Paul to win. If only miracles could happen. However, betrayed by his party, shunned by the democrats and a glamour seeking media, not a chance. What a combination of the unfit.

  • jimbo

    Remember when everyone talked about “winning” in Afghanistan and Iraq? What did “win” in Iraq? Why are we begging Karzai for PERMISSION to patrol at night? Why are we still giving Pakistan money when they stop our supply trucks, and harbor the guy who blew up the trade towers? I say screw these countries. Bring the troops and our equipment home and let them guard OUR shores. Ron Paul is the only candidate that understands this. He’s the only candidate who understands what the national debt is doing to us.

    • http://gmail sancheleezy

      I concur with your intelligent comments fully. We need to quit intervening in other nation’s governments affairs. Sincerely, Dave S.

    • Dave

      First, look who was president when we left, second, it was time to leave Iraq to it’s own devices. They will either make it or they won’t, saddam and his sons are dead.

      • Deerinwater

        Right! Time for The “training wheels’ to come off.

  • jopa

    During the war in Nam Romney was a conscientious objector and chose to go live a life of splendor in France recruiting for the Mormon church.If he really truly was against war and everything it stood for how could he become Commander in Chief and not be willing to go and fight on the front lines.Being an objector may make it difficult for him to make the right decisions for the good of America.This may put Ron Paul in first place in the GOP countdown.

    • Deerinwater

      good question, I don’t think that he could.

      Mitt is a person that has enjoyed “options” most all of his life I suppose, a luxury few of us enjoy.

  • eleanor Densford

    considering the number of States and delegates that are being disinfranchised by all the moves in Washington, by not allowing the primaries to go on I feel cheated by my party theGOP. If they aren’t careful there will be a powerful third party rise up. One made up of real Americans who don’t lie, cheat, buy and sell. I have always loved Ron Paul but wanted a younger man. Now I realize the wisdom of age and experience. He has my vote and I’ll find a rally to support him. Gannie

  • http://ncrdbl1.wordpress.com ncrdbl1

    Where did this false belief that Ron Paul is a conservative come from. He is NOT a conservative. He is a libertarian. He is almost as large of an embarrassment as Obama, Can you see him in an international emergency his conspiracy theories. The US would be a laughing stock and no one would take us seriously.

    • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

      “He is NOT a conservative. He is a libertarian.”
      Um actually it is quite possible to be both. Ron Paul is a Constitutional and Fiscal Conservative. It is quite possible to be that regardless of ones party.
      The rest of your comment is fallacious dribble.

  • ranger hall

    Man some of you People never Learn.
    Obama and Romny be long to the same Club, Does not matter which wins they are still controlled by the Powers to be.
    Only one i think might be different is Ron Paul, even tho he an his family are Politicians.
    And for some of you WE have no Enemys that is a danger to us, We only have Countries that fear our domination over them.
    When was the last time an American Military man or woman was killed in this country by an invading Military. And NO Pearl Harbor was not an Invasion of this Country.
    I know of NO Peoples of any Country that want to die Just for the sake of Dieing, A few people will give there life for a cause they believe in, But not all.
    World Peace cannot be done, when only domination is the order of the day.
    Do people wonder why both World Wars as we call them was With GERMANY.
    Does anyone know what is the Richest Country in the World.

    • Deerinwater

      Well, Ranger, they don’t belong to the same club but only in the most general of terms, while it is clear Ron Paul is offering a clearly different direction from either of the two.

      Ron Paul is offering stinky , nasty medicine and promise of a cure to what ill’s us with assurances we will get sicker before we get better. The changes Paul is offering done quickly will be very disruptive to many American. It seems to boil down to “implementation”, the devil hiding in the details, details that have yet to be forthcoming.

      I’d like to see America have greater control of it’s own money, that seems to be the crown jewel Ron Paul seems to be offering to us. That’s a battle Ron Paul seem most willing to fight. A battle much more demanding then anything Iran has got to offer up.

      I wouldn’t want such a job! I don’t have the mind for it but i’m glad someone does.

  • ranger hall

    Oh Bob L. I sure hope this is civil. For you young People out there that throw crap at us older folks, Let me tell you i would be happy to meet you in person some day and tan your rear end, something your parents never did, or you have never seen anything of this World,or its Peoples, Heck you dont ebven know anything about the Country you live in.

  • J MAAG

    ill write RON PAUL IN, WRITE IN

  • Carl Manning

    For those who would consider Ron Paul a “nutjob”, I have no doubt that if it were 1787, you would consider the signers of the Constitution nutjobs as well. If it’s tyranny you want, it will be tyranny you’ll get, and as John Adams pointed out, once Liberty is lost, it is never regained. Endless warfare has always been a pretext for depriving the People of Liberty. If we refuse to acknowledge that 911 was a lie and a setup by not only Bush, Cheney, and FBI Director Mueller but also dual Israeli/American citizens of the Zionist Neocon persuasion like Michael Chertoff(son of an Orthodox rabbi who happens to also be a Mossad agent who “freed” over 100 Israeli “spies” after 9/11 and made sure all the evidence was destroyed in Chinese smelt factories), Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Larry Silverstein, Frank Lowy, Maurice greenberg, Jules Kroll, Michael Cherkasky, Henry Kissinger, Daniel Lewin(orchestrated activities of Mossad agents in US before 9/11, officer in elite secret Israeli military unit, “Sayeret Mtkal”),Dominic Suter(Mossad agent in NYC during 9/11 using front company of “Urban Moving Systems”; employed the 5 Mossad agents caught celebrating in NYC on 9/11 dressed as Arabs), Sivan Kurzberg(Mossad agent and driver of “Urban Moving Systems” van with traces of explosives), Philip Zelikow, Michael Mukasey(obstructionist judge who freed the 5 dancing Israeli Mossad agents and oversaw Silverstein’s extremely profitable insurance claims on the Towers), John Deutch, Bernie Madoff (helped to finance the operation for Mossad), Dov Zakheim(the REAL 911 mastermind), Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, George Tenet, and Ari Fleischer all entrenched throughout the Bush administration working in collusion with the Mossad to force America to do the Zionists’ bidding, we will be another victim of the evils of Zionism, which is a horrible perversion of true Judaism in that it sees absolutely nothing wrong with killing Gentiles.

    • Carl Manning

      Here’s the link of the perpetrators of 911…

      http://www.whodidit.org/cocon.html

      • Dave

        Yep, your one of those looney truthers…….My life would be so much easier if I was not intelligent enough to realize how stupid some people are.

    • Carl Manning

      For those of you who still believe the 911 official government fairytale about 19 Arab hijackers with boxcutters, many of whom are still alive, I recommend the following websites for a crash-course in 911 TRUTH…

      http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

      http://ae911truth.org/

      http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wrh_9-11_index.php

      http://www.whodidit.org/index.html

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98&feature=player_embedded

      http://www.911truth.org/

      • T i m

        My name is T i m I have been listening / reading about things for the last 1 0 years , about what realy happened , during nine eleven . Isnt’ it time we put that aside and focus on the future . The government continually does what it wants , to keep the people stirred up and angry . I beleive we people need to stop all the in fighting about who is right , who is wrong , and follow what our for fathers tried to set up in the beginning . Our current person in the White House , seems to be doing everything the party can think of to keep the people angry . The Republican Party is not doing anything to stop what we are complaining about . There fore , wheather anyone has any sprititual persuation or not , as Ben Franklin might have said , why don’t we stop fabricating a dooms day scenario , and pray GOD WILL PROTECT AMERICA FROM satan . I stopped praying GOD Bless AMERICA , years ago , because we people of AMERICA do not act like it . I have a Christian flag in my front yard . That does not make me anti AMERICAN . I want it to say , I follow JESUS CHRIST , more than the principles of AMERICA . AMERICAN CONSTITUTION was supposedly written according to BIBLICAL principles . AMERICA STRAYED AWAY FROM THAT more than 1 0 0 years ago . What is happening in AMERICA today , has been here , long before OBAMA was born . He inherited and is carrying the torch . We people have allowed what is happening to us , because we do not follow our faith . The Muslims will die for what they beleive in . Is Christianity prepared to do that . That is not what my BIBLE says . Dr. RON PAUL says he is going to work to bring AMERICA back to the foundation of principles AMERICA was founded on . I continue to hear people criticize Dr. Paul’s foreign policy . People , please try to understand , correct me if I am wrong , Foreign Policy is not the real problem with the Eltie Top Dogs . Corporate AMERICA IS THE REAL PROBLEM WITH Dr. Paul’s foreign policy . How many politicians you think own stock in anything to do with suppies for the troops . . Let us stop bickering about right and wrong about Dr. Paul , and let GOD do his job . GOD will protect HIS own . I will continue to support DR. Paul . T i m

        • JimRed

          Tim, I hit reply on your comment, but am responding to Carl.

          Carl, God Bless you, but you have bought into the loony left’s version of 9/11. If Islamic terrorists did NOT fly planes into those buildings, are you suggesting that they were remote controlled by government forces? Because the only people I know of who are not only willing, but anxious to die for their faith are Muslims and Japanese Kamikaze pilots. A Christian will die for his faith, but will not SEEK death for it, a major difference.

          Are you suggesting that all the TV coverage, including the second plane hitting the WTC live, all the phone calls, tower to aircraft communications etc., were faked? Some great job of fakery! Hollywood couldn’t have done it better!

          You appear to be one of the “useful idiots” who will be among the first purged when the forces of evil prevail. Pray for true enlightenment; it will come from God, not from Satan’s truther minions.

      • Dave

        cue the twilight zone music

      • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

        Bringing up 9/11 conspiracy theories does not help Ron Paul.
        Anyone you may have persuaded to join Ron Paul will likely undergo a knee-jerk reaction of rejection towards anyone you associate with said 9/11 conspiracy theories. There are less controversial issues that are just as worthy and far more persuasive, that you can use.

  • http://microsoft NANCI P. SHARP

    THE UNITED STATES IS NOT A TRUE DEMOCRACY. A TRUE DEMOCRACY IS WHEN EVERY VOTE COUNTS. IN THAT CASE DR. RON PAUL WOULD BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT.

    • http://www.facebook.com/RagesFury Rage Fury

      Of course we are not a true Democracy, thank God, we are a Republic.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    The Iranians are about to commit an “offense” far greater than Saddam Hussein’s conversion to the euro of Iraq’s oil exports in the fall of 2000. Numerous articles have revealed Pentagon planning for operations against Iran as early as 2005. While the publicly stated reasons will be over Iran’s nuclear ambitions, there are unspoken macroeconomic drivers explaining the Real Reasons regarding the 2nd stage of petrodollar warfare – Iran’s upcoming euro-based oil Bourse.

    In 2004, The Iranian government anounced a plan to compete with both NYMEX (New York) and IPE (London) for international oil trades, using the Euro instead of the US dollar (USD). This commodities market announced by Iran is known as the Iranian Oil Bourse (IOB), as was opened on February 17, 2008. Put quite simply, the Euro would be directly competing with the USD and in a fair position to replace it in the oil market, unless of course the US intervenes and stops this from getting out of hand.

    Why would the US and PTB care? You see, the entire US consumer-based economy and strength of the dollar itself, relies heavily on the fact that the USD is used to trade international commodities, particularly oil. This also allows the US and US based companies to manipulate the market.

    In fact, in the fall of 2000, Iraq had converted over to the Euro for all of their oil exports and arguably, this could have been the reason (or one of them, anyway) for the invasion that soon followed. What Iraq did against the USD is not nearly as bad as what Iran is doing, from the perspective of the elites. Iraq simply slapped the dollar while Iran is trying to murder it.

    Of course, the US is stating the case against Iran to be the country’s nuclear program but most people who have researched the situation, realize that Iran is pursuing a peaceful nuclear program. Some people may argue that Iran can easily turn its peaceful program into one in which weapons are made, though such a conversion isn’t easy at all.

    Initially, Iran was enriching uranium to about 5%, then in February of this year, they announced that they had enriched 17kg of uranium to 20%. While 17kg of 20% enriched uranium sounds like a lot, it isn’t anywhere close to the amount needed for a weapons program, nor is 20% enrichment even close to the purity level (U235) needed for a weapon. For a nuclear weapon, you need uranium enriched to at least 90% and for a weapons program, you need far more uranium than 17kg. The process for enriching uranium to the grade needed for a nuclear explosive, is much more difficult than enriching it to the 20% that they are currently doing.

    Furthermore, Iran has been transparent and cooperative with the IAEA and this organization would know if Iran were trying to enrich their uranium to the weapons grade of at least 90%. The sad fact of the matter is that the US government and PTB know that Iran doesn’t pose a direct or imminent threat for their nuclear program. It simply serves as an excuse to dismantle their plans for trading oil in Euros as opposed to dollars.

    Along with stating Iran’s nuclear program as their motive for a possible war with Iran, all of the usual suspects are coming together to demonize the government that is pursuing this alternative commodities market that threatens the supremacy of the USD. We had Bush & Co. (to include the CFR) saying that Iran was supplying the insurgency in Iraq with weapons and supplies, when the bigger and main problem was really the Sunni ethnic groups being supplied by Saudi Arabia, not the Shia being supplied by Iran.

    We also have the MSM constantly vilifying the government of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, as if he is some self appointed dictator, such as those that the US likes to put in power and support. Not only do they vilify the Iranian government, but they also like to put words in his mouth, particularly statements that he didn’t make.

    For instance, the MSM was/is saying that Ahmadinejad called for Israel to be wiped off the map, when he never said anything of the sort. What was said?

    Farsi: “Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad.”

    English: “The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time”.

    Israel, wiped off, wipe out, map, world, Earth, face, are all words that were not used, nor did Ahmadinejad threaten Israel in anyway what-so-ever.

    “The Western media talks of me saying I would like to destroy a nation off the map.But Israel has already destroyed a nation. It is called Palestine” –Ahmadinejad

    This is only but one example of the spin and propaganda being turned out by the American media, in an obvious effort to influence the American public’s opinion of Iran and her democratically elected government. Sort of the same way that they did it to Saddam Hussein before the invasion of Iraq.

    In addition, we have what seems to be the CIA instigating civil unrest after the elections that kept Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as head of the Iranian government. In fact, the protests in Tehran after the reelection of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, were much smaller than the protests after the election of Bush, yet the MSM would have us believe that the entire country was up in arms over some corrupt election. The truth of the matter is that Iran elected Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and unlike the US, Iran doesn’t have unaccountable electronic voting machines, nor do they probably have dirty tactics to cheat the electoral system, as we do.

    The MSM also likes to refer to Iran’s nuclear program as a “nuclear weapons program”, implying that it is accepted that Iran has a nuclear weapons program, when the IAEA has nothing to support such a claim. Don’t hold your breath on the MSM giving such a notion any attention. We all know that most people will never even attempt to fact check and so it is easy for the MSM to imply certain things and the public will buy it.

    So, we have the US government telling us over and over again that Iran is a threat and we have the MSM propagating lies and spin about the nation and the American public is eating it up hook, line and sinker, without the slightest inkling to fact check what they are being told. In fact, many Americans, if not most, falsely believe that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a dictator, as opposed to the democratically elected President.

    When you think about Iran and TPTB’s campaign to demonize the democratically elected government of Iran, it is more than clear that a huge bullseye has been painted across their chest. Many people think it could be for the oil but the oil is already leaving Iran and although American companies could get it much cheaper, it doesn’t seem worth the effort and cost spent on manipulating public opinion. However, if the IOB is successful, it could put an end to the USD as a standard for trading commodities and ultimately ending the supremacy of the USD around the globe. That, my friends would seem well worth the effort spent on demonizing Iran and her government.

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread605293/pg1

  • JimRed

    Carl said, earlier: “Because of the false-flag event of 911…”

    Having gone back to read that, it is now clearer to me; you are not one of the ones who bought that nonsense; you are one of the ones SELLING it!

    • Dave

      I watched the flippin planes hit on 9/11, no false flag event, and you are an idiot!

      • 4LoveOfCountry

        @Dave: Don’t worry, Jim is RED.

        • Dave

          Better dead than red

          • 4LoveOfCountry

            @Dave: In God we trust.

  • http://www.survivingurbancrisis.com/ Silas Longshot

    Now that Rick has folded, it does indeed throw a new spin into the equation, which will hopefully land us in a brokered convention where the PEOPLE might choose a candidate instead of the RINO elite, the MSM and big biz stuffing Romney down our throats.
    Click the name

    • Carl Manning

      Perfect Recipe for Martial Law:

      The GOP winds up with a brokered convention. Gingrich may or may not still be in the race with his current financial difficulties (bounced a campaign check in Utah recently)by then, but even if he is, it can only serve to add to the pandemonium. Somehow, through a miracle of God, Ron Paul emerges as the nominee. Ron Paul obliterates Obama in several nationally televised debates that the MSM and Neocon Talk Radio are begrudgingly forced to cover. For all we know, Ron Paul, with the nomination wrapped up and sealed, might even start bringing up the Birther Ineligibility issue in the debates with railing accusations of Treason against the GOP Establishment and Obama, which would be hilarious. He might even then call Obama out for what he is: a KGB spy and Putin’s Poodle that won the American jackpot for Russia. Then, with the American People rallying to Ron Paul’s side and rediscovering the Cnstitution and the Birther issue, all of a sudden thanks to the KGB apparatchiks controlling this country, Ron Paul loses the election in what is clearly a rigged scam election. The American People become furious, and then voila – MARTIAL LAW FOREVER under the complete conversion of America to the United Soviet States of America. Hey, it’s been a good run, folks. We certainly tried, but the New World Order and the Russians played us like fools.
      If only we had embraced the Constitution and embraced Independent candidates and/or started Third Parties of our own, we could have cleaned house. In the end, we had no faith in ourselves. We put our faith in two political parties full of whores who sold us out a long time ago to better money from Wall Street.

  • sandykramer

    Short and sweet:

    RON PAUL … a man whose time has come and gone.

  • sandykramer

    For those of you pledging to never vote for Romney: Keep those words in mind when you are languishing in Obama’s/F.E.M.A.’s concentration encampments. For, whatever Romney may or may not be, Romney is not the personal embodiment of evil incarnate. May God be with you and give you wisdom.

    • http://gmail sancheleezy

      I am in full agreementr here. If Ron Paul is successful at any level he will have a strong influence on the Republican platform and the Obama sycophyants must be defeated as they are basically insane, and will never make any effort to contain this behemoth federal bureacracy that is completely bankrupt. If Romney wins the Republican nomination he has to beat Barack Hussein Obama this November 2012, or this country is doomed.

    • http://gmail sancheleezy

      If Dr. Ron Paul does not win the Republican nomination, he will bew a major influence on the party platform. We need to ensure that Barack Hussein Obama is a one term president or we will face extinction as a constitutional republic with liberty and true justice for all. May Dr. Ron Paul prevail at the Republican convention then vote to ensure B.H.O.’s defeat this Fall 2012. God Bless every American freedom loving patriot.

    • http://ragesfury.wordpress.com RageFury

      Romney is “Obama Lite”. If you think for 1 second Romney is going to do anything different than Obama, then I am sorry but you are one of the poor folks with their heads so far up their butts you need some windex to see…

      • Dave

        The fact that Romney IS NOT Obama sells him to me

      • sandykramer

        Romney will terminate ObamaCare; Obama will widen its tentacles.
        Obama will align with the Islamic Ummah. Romney will restrain its expansion.
        Obama will tax America to death. Romney will enable capitalism to grow the economy.
        Obama will open the floodgates to illegal aliens and/or terrorists. Romney will tighten America’s borders. Romney will govern under the Consitution. Obama will use the Constitution as tissue paper. I could go on, but I’ve got other sheep to tend. Take some remedial work in internarional relations, constitutional law.

        • Dave

          BRAVO!^

  • C.H.A.D

    Who can predict whats going to happen with the elections? Is either way a mistake?
    Are we stuck because of our past presidents mistake or can we do something about this?

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