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Throwaway People

October 4, 2011 by  

Throwaway People

A couple of weeks ago, my wife and I had an appointment in Arlington, Va. As we were walking toward our destination, we noticed a thin, elderly lady standing near the street corner. She was exceptionally well groomed, and she was dressed in a colorful, neatly pressed outfit.

Leaning on her cane, she was looking around in what appeared to be a confused manner. We were concerned, because it was a very hot and humid day. As we approached her, my wife asked if she needed any help. She smiled sweetly and said that she was looking for her bank, but was not certain she was walking in the right direction.

She went on to explain that she had glaucoma and could not see very well. When she gave us the name of her bank, I told her that it was just on the other side of the street and said we would be happy to help her across. She appeared to be pleased by the offer.

My wife and I took hold of her arms, waited for the streetlight to change, then slowly helped her to the other side. As we approached the curb, she explained that even though she was not totally blind, she could not see the curb clearly enough to be sure she wouldn’t trip and fall.

We carefully guided her up over the curb and onto the sidewalk in front of the bank. She assured us that she could make it into the bank on her own, so we wished her a nice day and began to turn away. But as we did, she began talking to us about her life and her family. She said she was 90, and her eldest sister was still alive at age 99. She also mentioned that she had another sister who had passed away.

Several times, I said that we had to be running along to avoid being late for our appointment. Each time, she went on to another subject: her deceased husband, her osteoporosis, her medical-doctor son. She seemed genuinely excited to have someone to talk to, and she clearly did not want the conversation with two strangers to end.

It was obvious that she was very lonely. One side of me wanted to stay and talk to her for as long as she wished, but the other side of me was thinking about our appointment. Awkwardly, we finally ended the conversation.

As my wife and I walked away, we turned around and watched that adorable little lady walk, with considerable difficulty, toward the door to the bank. I couldn’t help wondering if her doctor-son knew that his mom was walking by herself to the bank in the hot, humid weather.

As a result of that unexpected encounter in Arlington, many thoughts drifted through my mind during the remainder of the day. First and foremost, I thought about my own elderly mother. She was the ultimate housewife/mom at a time when such an occupation was considered noble. She spoiled the heck out of me, and I loved every minute of it. More important, I loved her dearly… and still do.

I remembered how, from the time I was about 6 years old, whenever I spotted the smallest bit of debris on the floor, I would pick it up and throw it in the wastebasket because I didn’t want my mom to have to bend over. Now, with six children of my own, I’m still in awe of the fact that merely by being who she was, she motivated me enough to want to spare her any unnecessary work.

I also thought about how long it’s been since I visited my mother. And I thought about the time, when my brother-in-law’s mother died and I offered my condolences, he said, in a reflective tone, “You only have one.” As we go about our day-to-day lives, I guess it’s pretty easy to forget the obvious.

Hugh Downs, now 90, has often expressed his belief that there is more prejudice against the elderly than any other group in our society. He is especially offended by the cry to get “older, dangerous” drivers off the road. As he puts it, “We should get all dangerous drivers off the road.”

I believe one of the chief reasons we tend to brush aside the elderly is that not only is the society we live in drowning in materialism and narcissism, but it is a throwaway society as well. No one fixes anything anymore. When something is broken, you just throw it in the trash can and buy a new and better model.

So it’s only natural that we do the same thing with old people, right? After all, they can’t be fixed, so why not just throw them away? It’s too bad we place so little value on the elderly, because, on the whole, they have so much to offer: wisdom, purity of thought and, above all, tranquility. If the medical community could transplant an 80-year-old brain into a 21-year-old skull, one can only imagine how much better the life of the young person who owned that skull would likely turn out.

I believe it’s healthy to be conscious of the fact that we’re all on our way to the same destination: old age (provided we’re luckier than the Tim Russerts and Tony Snows among us). And when we arrive at that destination, let’s hope that we won’t be walking down a street alone, cane in hand, barely able to see the curb… and that our children will visit us often.

As Katharine Hepburn once said, “Life is hard. After all, it kills you.”

Robert Ringer


Robert Ringer

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  • Angel Wannabe

    One of my favorite subjects, I love Older people, I always have!_I spent alot of time at my Grandparents both Maternal & Paternal. I use to love hearing their stories of the days of Old, even if I heard them repeated time and time again. I remember sitting quietly, even though I knew what part of the story that was coming next, but responded with a “surprised look” each time…

    (Tongue in cheek)I think it used to be referred to as respect!

    • Angel Wannabe

      “Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming ‘WOW What a Ride!’”

      • Old Henry


        LOL! That’s great! and oh so true. Thank you!

      • ValDM

        Just an addendum to your comment………..”Old age ain’t for sissies.” Bette Davis

        • Angel Wannabe

          ValDM, Yepper!Lol__Why waste all that experience we’ve learned on youth!???

        • r.p.

          actually, she didn’t use the word “sissies”, but it could be applied.

          • Angel Wannabe

            rp___LOL__It was P*SSIES!

        • BigBadJohn

          or as my aunt always said
          Getting old is not for wimps

    • http://none myrtle francis

      I am one of those elderly.I dont want anything i havent worked for.When i think about us giving to the whole world,then why take from our elderly?. I think obama is doing everything he can, to destory our country, so why would we think he cares about any of us.people should wake up.myrt

      • loretta gatti

        He has no right to scare us and put us aside. Where is our cola raise. Oh, but his team gets a raise. I can’t stand him.

        • Chet Figurski

          Yes, Loretta, you are right on. I am not only a senior citizen, but also a Disabled American Veteran for life, since Korea. The no cola also affects my DAV pay besides our SS. This clown, as soon as he got into office made an executive directive, that would give us no COLA for TWO years.I guess he really was the messiah for the left to foresee that there would be no inflation for those two years. I guess he thinks we are all feeble minded as he is.How this “man” along with his socialist, marxist,communist czars can still be in office is amazing. He tries to fool the seniors and anyone he can to be brainwashed into thinking we are all dummies, when he is the real DUMMY. Thank God for president Bush, who gave us a 6% raise in the COLA before he left office. Now, this imposter says he is for the poor people. What a luagh. He makes me sick, everytime he opens his lying mouth.———-SEMPER FI.

          • James

            Know how you feel, I’m a Purple Heart Koeran war vet with 10 percent disability, and also on S.S. With no COLA for the last two years and no COLA for the next two, and prices going up and up, it’s tough.

      • KHM

        @ Myrtle Francis,
        Well said!. You are very correct about Mr. O not caring about the elderly. Some of the things in the so-called health-care bill are truly frightening.
        Our best revenge is to live well.

      • Marlene

        I too don’t want anything that I haven’t worked for but…..I want everything I’ve worked for and earned. This Pretender-to-the-Oval Office is taking away everything that we’ve worked for and says “I’m the president so I can do what I want”. I think we should end his existence as he knows it and ship him off to Kenya or Indonesia on a holey canoe with no bucket to bail with. He’s the most disgusting person to ever walk on US soil.

    • ONTIME

      “You gotta be tough to get old”….Geronimo

      And it still killed him.

  • peter

    Well, I am getting old at 72 years now and my observation and that of my sister who is now 72 is that we lived at the right time. I certainly would not wish to be born into the world as we know it now, but then that is what the kids today are happy with so let them be happy and if they do not respect their parents or elders so be it, but a few of them will also age and realize then that the difference between being aged and being old are not the same, the meaning of respect is probably something they will learn too late and that maybe some of us aged twits were actually not so stupid anyway, at least those of us who were not politicians or economists. Here’s to our offspring;should they have just half the life we had then they too will be blessed as we were. As Angel says – wow! what a ride!

    • David Caines

      What a ride indeed.
      I’m a hard used 45 and trying to get back into the fight. Life is way more fun when you’re actually doing something with it. After all what are all of these freedoms for if we don’t do anything with them. And yet I must agree about the failing standards and the rest.
      Somehow, with the best of intentions it seems that we created a society of wait and it will come.
      On the plus side, life will find a way to teach the next generation what it must, and it sort of is. Laws are changing, responsibility both personal and social is gaining a toe hold in the nation again, that and perhaps that alone may yet set things back to where they need to be. If not, and society actually does fail?
      Well another day in the sun for those of us who can fix things, for those of us who did learn the hard way. Still, I’d rather see society soldier on and sort of believe that it will.

      • independant thinker

        Did anyone see the program about a group of people who agreed to live like cave men for 10 days or a little longer?

        • Pippen

          To: independant thinker..

          You mean one of those so-called commercial magnet ‘reality’ programs with scripts, producers, directors and PR raters? Yeah, I’ve heard of ‘em.

    • Old Henry

      Yeah peter, my older sister is 72 and I am 61 and we have the same conversation.

      I rmember “camping out” all night in the yard with my puptent as a kid. I stopped by that house a while back and there is now a tall wooden fence around that yard. I knocked on the door and spoke with the young woman living there and told her of my youth at that address. She was amazed. It brought a tear to my eye knowing that her small kids would not have that oportunity.

      We are now reaping the whirl-wind.

      • http://none myrtle francis


      • independant thinker

        Reminds me of a Tom T Hall song Old Henry. He was interviewing an old timer way back in the hills and theold man said something to the effect “We said we didn’t want our kids to have to work hard like we did and now they dont. Be careful what you wish for.” Unfortunately I cannot locate it to get the name of the song or the album it is on.

  • http://Personalliberty Tony

    To Everyone here:
    No offense but i find this article somewhat hypocritical. I mean you people talk about “respect and compassion” for the elderly. Yet, it seems you want to abolish s.s. aand have the elderly at the whims of
    society. Granted, social security should be privatized but wanting it abolished and calling it a “Ponzi-scam” scheme is quite ironic. Alright, time to start work. Thanks!! Tony

    • Barney

      Tony I am Canadian living in Canada and read your comment and in a way you are right but on the other hand as we have made a hash of our social programs, something drastic has to be done.

      I disagree that privatizing these schemes will solve anything. If you look at the private pension plans they are in no better shape and in most cases worse than the public ones. I have been looking at the Kodak pension plan and it is a complete mess and unlikely to be able to pay its liabilities to the retirees.

      I spent 36 years handling pension and accident funds and none of the plans I was involved with are in trouble and probably never will be.

      Tony I could go on but suffice it to say the problem is not whether it is public or private but you have to have professionals maintaining separate funds for these programs or they will fail every time as well intentioned amateurs just do not understand the complexities of them

      • Mushin


        I would suggest that it is rather not simply the individual but the whole of a society and the values inherent within that society that makes the difference in HOW these {AND ANY} such issues are handled!

        Our FOUNDING FATHERS knew at the inception of America what was true!

        Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition.

        Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, Query 19, 1787

        And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever.

        Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, Query 18, 1781


        A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.

        Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785

        Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

        As for our elderly, they should be treated with respect and honored for all they have contributed to us and our country and valued for their wisdom.

      • http://liberty Tony

        To Barney:
        You mentioned some good points. But, you see if privatize and overseen by a board of professional investment officials then social security can get more bang to the buck. A great example of this, which
        Presidential candidate Herman Cain believes plus supports, is a plan that is placed in the country of Chile. This plan was set up by former finance minister Carlos Pinero. Granted, he did work for that tyrant , the late Pinochet. However, he was able to create a scheme were even street car workers could invest in a private retirement market and walla years later they could live high on the hog. This plan was implemented in the 1970′s. Now, Chile’s retirement benefits might be the best in the world. Thus, given America’s wealth, if we have a plan like this, the elderly in this country could live like royalty. Therefore, in order to save S.S. this would be the ultimate solution. Thanks!!
        P.S. This is a side note but you people won’t believe it. I’m predicting Herman Cain gets the Repub. nomination. Afterwards, he’ll take Ron Paul as his V.P. and win the Presidency in 2012. That’s just my hunch.

        • http://fernhart Marianne

          Dear Tony,

          I am 80 and plan to be AT LEAST 95 before I “pass over”. I love your comments especialy the “hunch” about Herman Cain and Ron Paul except I think the reverse. Ron Paul has been so pointedly IGNORED that the electorate DESERVE to know him and that the principles of the Founders –especialy Jefferson– have been his FORTE for over 20 years in the HOUSE. For example: he has NEVER voted to raise the debt ceiling. He is known there as “Dr.NO” and not just about that.
          Cain’s ties to the Federal Reserve trouble me greatly. Ron wants to do away with the central bank (like Jefferson who famously said, “If the money is ever in private hands, the Republic is doomed.” Woodrow Wilson in his later years was remorseful that he signed the Federal Reserve Act saying: “I have ruined my country.” Social Security is in crisis because –over the years since FDR– many more people have been given access to the fund e.g.disability. I was a history teacher
          and have seen that MANY of these so called disabled are NOT disabled at all! Some are just slow learners whose mothers wanted the money and let their children be psychologicaly crippled for life by calling them retarded e.g.disabled. Another reason for S.S. crisis is that Lyndon Johnson had the “trust” fund moved into the general fund so that Congress could get their hands on it –paartly to pay for the Vietnam War. These wars now make that seem like peanuts.

          On another subject -=- google CAFR Comprehensive Annual
          Financial Report. It was put into law in 1946 and has covered more Governmental units in 1952 and beyond even down to cities. It shows that they take in MORE MONEY from owned assets than they do in TAXES. You will be suprised –no, SHOCKED! Politicals DON”T WaNT THE PEOPLE TO KNOW. Keep us thinking that we foot all the bills and they cotrol plus use OUR MONEY to promise “goodies” so they can get elected or re-elected. Must “turn in”

          God’s richest blessings,

    • Joyce from Loris

      Tony, you obviously have not read the plan. It’s not for those who currently are receiving, or will receive in the near future, THEIR MONEY BACK, but for those who are young now, they can stop being forced to pay into a plan that offers little in the end! If people are allowed to keep their money, and invest in it, they will have a nice retirement plan that makes SS look exactly what it is…. worthless. Once again, it’s allowing people to be responsible for themselves, rather than the GOVERNMENT trying to control everything and everyone. That plan has bankrupted our country, and PEOPLE can take care of themselves better than the government can.

      • Old Henry

        Joyce (and Tony):

        Also, with a privatized plan the participants aan leave its proceeds to their heirs.

        With SS once your are gone, sois the money!

        I had a cousin who paid into SS for 45 years, died at 62 and never got a dime. The money is gone, down the government rat hole so to speak. If that money had been in a private plan it would have gone to his heirs.

        • Joyce from Loris

          You’re right, but you also have to look on the other side. I know a young fella that died when he was 38. His wife got a check, his FOUR CHILDREN got a check, until they reached the age of 18 or 22, if they went to college. His wife got her check until she remarried. Total, they all got over $600,000, more than this guy ever paid into or would have received if he had lived and drawn his SS. Another case, a woman’s husband died when he was 48. She was the same age. She started receiving his SS and now she is 97 years old! She has been getting this check for almost 50 years! She also started receiving medicare at 65 years old. That was 32 years ago. SHE has never worked more than 10 years in her life, and her husband did not pay into the system enough money to cover all that! These are examples that just ONE PERSON IN AMERICA knows. How many examples do others know? And we wonder why it’s broke? It’s because of examples like this. People should take care of themselves.

          • dave

            it is no longer true that social security pays dependent allotments until 22 if the dependent is in college. Social security will not pay a dependent allotment past the child’s nineteenth birthday, and then only if the child is still completing high school. once the child completes high school, the child is on his/her own as far as trying to get a college education. It’s been that way for over 25 years. I know this for a fact because my mother worked for the SSA for over 25 years, retiring in 1984. The change in dependent allotment school eligibility occurred in 1983 and part of her job was to handle the irate terminated recipients when they called or came in to complain.
            The representative payee is now expected to be setting money aside from the allotment for the child’s college if there is enough.
            Unfortunately, with many people practicing serial polygamy, and having multiple families [in and out of wedlock], the allotments can be stretched to the point of being almost nothing since the allotment is fixed based on the earnings history of the deceased or disabled claimant and has to be prorated among all legal dependents whether in the household or not.
            Part of the problem is that we have lost the sense of community and belonging in an extended family and until and unless our society can recover that, we are doomed to failure no matter what.

          • Chris

            That’s the way insurance works. It’s a risk. Some people drive for 40-50 years and never have an accident, but they pay for insurance every year. Some people die young and their life insurance makes a big payout; other live to 95 and the insurance company makes a lot of money. You have home insurance, but hopefully never have to make a claim. My mother paid social security for 37 years and died at age 62. Some people win and some lose.

    • Old Henry

      Well Tony, many of us here have the advantage of experience which in turn gives us perspective.

      Social Security has turned in to a Ponzi Scheme due to theiving, fradulent, dishonest, criminal politicians who should all be at the end of a rope.

      I do not rcall seeing anyone here advocate abolishing SS and elaving the elderly hanging.

      For the benefit of younger folks such as yourself SS does need to be privatized in some manner or YOU will be left hanging. And believe me, it will come over the hill at a furious pace as the days spin by.

      • eli abellera

        Agree. Social Security is not running out of funds because of the money being disbursed to the recepients. It is because of politicians putting the SS contibutions to the general fund and using it for purposes other than for what it was originally intended.
        It is called good management.

      • JeffH

        OH, beware of Tony…he’s one of those liberal posers. After reading many of his comments, I’m beginning to get the feeling he has an agenda, a reason for being here. Just an observation.

        • http://liberty Tony

          Hey Jeff:
          I have a question, what do you think my agenda is? Also, what’s your
          agenda being here? Just curious. Ta, Ta!!

          • S.C. Murf

            Tony, Ta Ta? Sounds like the gay agenda.

            up the hill

          • eddie47d

            I see Jeff is out censoring others as per his mode of operation while offering no substance to the subject. Ringer brought up a kind and considerate subject and old man Jeff makes it obvious why there isn’t enough respect for old people.

          • JeffH

            eddie, don’t bite off any more than you can chew…as usual you are making accusations you can’t back up…of course most people here recognize you as you are…a liar! It’s a proven fact and I’d be more than happy to post those lies of yours.

            As for censoring Tony, it was clearly my “opinion” based on my obsevance of some of his comments and not even remotly an attempt to censor him. Now in eddies case, I do have a different opinion that is backed up with clear facts.

          • eddie47d

            You lie about Tony and pull the wool over your own eyes about me. Nothing will change with you because you have to see a problem before you can admit your problem.

          • JeffH

            eddie says WAH, WAH, WAH…again! Had your wool sheared lately?

          • http://naver samurai

            Very funny Jeff H, fellow patriot! Ed does have an agenda for the support of flakes, nuts, and fruits. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://liberty Tony

          Hey S.C. Murf:
          Looks who’s talking when it comes to gay agenda? Just food for thought. Up hill and making your “wonderful” popping sound. Bye, Bye!!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Tinkle Off to Huff ‘n’ Puff Tony!!! :)

          • http://naver samurai

            Are we being the butt of jokes again moron? No butts about it you are. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Penny R. Freeman

      Tony, just one question-Where in that article is social security mentioned? I know SS has become and probably always will be a political football and it does need to be fixed,afterall as soon as that law was put in place politicians started robbing that fund for their own selfish ends. But I didn’t see SS mentioned in Robert Ringer’s article. I’m a sixty-two year old who has to depend on SS disability and my oldest son for my living. Am I frustrated because I can’t work any longer and have to depend on the government, but even more so that I am a burden on my son? Yes. But you need to figure out it’s the crooked politicians who’ve been in office from the day SS became law until the present day who are responsible for that problem, not anyone else. It’s our kids and grandkids who need help to secure their future. And as in years past it’s up to us as a community to go back to the values of our parents’ and previous generations and do for each other instead of trying to make the government responsible for EVERYTHING in our lives. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want to live in a nanny state where the government controls what you buy, what you eat, what kind of healthcare you are allowed to get,etc. Those are the benefits of government run programs like SS. Personally I would rather, and am trying to find a way, to be independent of our stupid government bureaucrats and the pitance they choose to dole out while they continue to rob my children and others supposedly to support folks like me on SS and on a promise of a good future for them. Maybe it’s not exactly a ponzi scheme as such, but it is a total rip-off for everyone who has had to support or accept their payout as even a small bit of support. The point of the article is that we as a community are responsible for the way us old foggies are treated and it’s up to us to correct that. We’re the ones who taught our kids their principles and responsibilites ( or lack thereof)so we can’t put the blame for our “throwaway society” on anyone but ourselves. Quit being angry and a part of our “I’m not responsible for my own stupidity, it’s somebody else’s fault” society and put some effort in to help yourself and the people around you. Who knows, you might just learn to enjoy everyone in your life.

      • Old Henry

        Actually Penny the theiving, fraudulent, criminal politicians did not begin robbing the Trust Fund until the theiving, scum-bag criminal socialist LBJ.

        However, it has been going on non-stop by all of them since.

        • Leo

          If you study the actual history you will find out that SS was created to be nothing else except another tax.

          So it was a Poncy scheme from the moment of the inception.
          Nothing in politics happens accidentally. Everything has been planned by some very sly people who plan far away ahead.

    • wandamurline

      What you need to understand is that in 1965, LBJ, the Democratic president, saw all the money social security had in an interest bearing account, and he took it out of the account and put it in the general funds and spent it, as have all elected presidents and congresses since….issuing the social security administration worthless bonds (IOU’S) to the tune of around 1.5 trillion dollars. Do you think ss could go on if they had left the money alone…of course it would. However, now that the money has been spent….it has become a Ponzi Scheme because the younger generation is paying for the older generation. The older generation has been paying for 40-50 years, but due to our allowing 535 people plus the president to spend it…it is now broke and due to belly up in about 9-10 years. The GOP has some pretty good ideas that would not affect anyone of the age of 55 and older, but something has to be done to protect the younger generation so when they attain our age, they will have some income from social security as well. We can either make changes and fix the problem or sit back on our laurels and do nothing and in a few years no one will be getting a check. Before you say it, I am 64 and on social security also, but I have done my homework and not listened to the progressive liberal news medias who lie through their teeth.

      • BigBadJohn

        True and Reagan saw all of the money that corporations had tied up in pension plans and allowed them to raid those also! So now most companies do not have enough to cover their promised pensions, Guess who is picking up that tab – why the US tax payer as usual!

    • Gary

      Tony, et al:

      I am sorry that you (and many others) seem to have missed the point regarding SSA. The goal is NOT to abolish the program, but to phase it out. The government has been using it as a cash cow almost from the day it was started, and all political parties are equally guilty of the crime.

      I am 69 years old, still working (may never retire), and am drawing a pension from SSA to help me afford to live in a house with my wife and grandchild. As much as some politicians want to scare the hell out of me with the claim that their opponets want me to have to eat dog food and live in a cardboard box, I have familiarized myself with the proposal, and know that the claim is a baldfaced lie. The proposal is to continue the program for those who are on pension (like me), and those who are getting close to retiring (the age of 55 has been put forth as a potential cutoff age), with those who have many productive years left (more than 10?) being required to take responsibility for their own retirement income. This will, of course, require practical education in money management and investment which is not yet a priority (or requirement) in our K-12 educational system. If it had been when I was growing up, I probably would have retired by now, and not be in need of the supplemental pension from SSA.

      Regarding the loneliness the author observed in this sweet lady, I can empathize with the situation. I have no people close enough to truthfully call them Friends. Most are what I would call “fair weather friends”, who are there when it is convenient for them and seldom take time to make even a brief call just to see how you are doing. I also have little contact with my family. Yes, part of this situation is of my own making, as I did make mistakes in not teaching love of family, honoring of parents and respect for elders in general to my children. However, I did try to teach them what the Bible says about life and living in general, how they should use it to guide their decision-making processes, and to Love God above all else. But to “Honor thy Father and thy Mother” seems to have gotten lost in its importance to them. The road that I have had to travel has also been very difficult, and I would not have wished it on anyone else, but it is near impossible to understand unless you have also been on it. So it too has contributed to the loneliness. In any event, I know I am never alone (as opposed to being lonely), and though I try to plan my way, it is God who directs my steps.

      Thanks to Tony, and to all of you, for “listening” to me. It is my hope that you will all be blessed, and have an increased inclination to show love to others including us aged ones.

    • alex

      no body has suggested abolishing s/s they have suggested a couple of different ways to fix it and everyone gets excited and starts screeming the sky is falling, and by the way IT IS A PONZI SCHEME

      • patrick H.T. paine

        “To conquer, first divide.”

        SS was not a Ponzi scheme to begin with…….when life expectancy is
        set lower than retirement age, this is called THEFT! Simple solution is to return to the original scheme and raise the retirement age to say 84, which would solve the problem.

        Back in the good olde days, there was a natural retirement plan, called reproduction which consisted of having as many children as possible, hoping that a few would prosper and be able to provide for those lucky emough to survive to need it.

        Unfortunately, hard work did and does kill people….so those people that tended to survive were already advantaged and really didn’t require assistance.

        There IS no problem with SS, except the one the government created, and having stolen the money they NOW don’t want to pay what their stupidity promised. BTW it IS a voluntary program…..but since the major function of the population of the U.S. is IGNORANCE, and yes I mean YOU…….the solution will never occur to you. 26 CFR 31.3402 (p) the trick being that sneaky little 31.

        How stupid are YOU? and yes I mean YOU! Because every day YOU violate the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND without question…..and you do it VOLUNTARILLY……because every time you pay any tax, fee, fine that is charged at the state level, you violate Article One section ten and Article 6.

        So before you grab your gun and hunker down with your carefully stored supply of dried beans……why don’t you go into a courtroom
        and ask, how you can lawfully pay any state excise, duty, impost, fee, fine or tax, WITHOUT violating the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND?

        And after you ask that question, ask the judge, sworn to uphold this document, how, if actually bound by such an OATH, they could actually order you to do so? Or better yet, MAKE THEM order you to do so!

        And just for fun, while your there…..ask what kind of court you are IN!!!!!!!! because it’s not a common law or equity court.

        Oh and global warming/climate change is REAL…..which makes me a liberal……scary, huh?

        “Do not ask for whom the bell tolls…….”

    • DaveH

      There are so many things wrong with Social Security.
      1) The Federal Government was given no Constitutional Power to take care of people in their old age. They just took it. Even the States shouldn’t be allowed such, as it’s the perfect recipe for Politicians to buy votes with threats to cut it off after we’re dependent on it.
      2) It’s morally wrong for any man, whether he wears a Government robe or not, to take another man’s property (money in this case) against his will, whether it’s for “his own good” or any other excuse. Some people may very well choose to squander their money and beg later. That’s their choice, their problem.
      3) It is indeed a Ponzi scheme, since the Government has spent all the Social Security funds (and more), so they are dependent on current payers to fund current recipients. As a result of that, many of the younger people, who are indeed slaves to the retirees, are becoming resentful (understandably) and who knows what that might evolve into later?
      4) Many of the older people who are dependent on it are quite tense wondering if and when the Government might finally run out of other peoples’ money and quit paying. Nobody should be subject to the whims of Politicians who have that power over the retirees.
      5) Because the people suffer the delusion that Government will take care of them, many people do not bother to make the effort to save for their own futures. Without the promise of Social Security, people would build assets to tide them through their old age, which is also good for the economy. The more physical wealth that is built the safer our futures will be. For instance, my Grandmother who had no Social Security spent her younger years acquiring and repairing old homes which she then rented out to help her through old age.

      Government, as most of us know, tends to squander our assets, as would most people who are spending other peoples’ money (witness Solyndra). That is why, inevitably, countries with Big Government have lousy economies.

      • Richard Nielsen

        Since the congress and LBJ decided to rob the trust fund that many of the baby boomers paid into, I have a solution in mind. I’ll take my social security entitlement out in trade. Part of what was taken out of my wages I’ll trade for property. This government maintains millions of acres.
        I’ll take my SS out in trade, from the vast real estate holdings that the US government has, so the next generation will not be tied to the “ponzi scheme” called social security. All I want is payment for the money taken from my wages, plus interest, supposidly set aside for my senior years.
        Although, if congress had to use social security for their pension plan it would be in better shape, don’t you think? Perhaps we the people should get a referendom to control what congress can and has set aside for their pension. Afterall they can collect right after leaving office whether they have been guilty of crimes against the state or not.

        • DaveH

          I think the Compensation for Congressmen should be set by vote every 4 years or more. I’ll bet they would ride a lot harder herd on the Federal Reserve if they knew they couldn’t get a pay raise for 4 years or more.

      • patrick H.T. paine

        “To conquer, first divide!”

        Morally wrong? David H. are you a liberal? A romantic? A fool?

        The problem with continually contributing to mindless exchanges is that unless you can maintain some semblance of intellectual integrity
        ( consistency ) you eventually descend into idiocy.

        What do you mean by MORAL? Everything in nature has a single unalienable right….and property isn’t IT!

        And water vapor isn’t a green house gas!

        See ya, tadpole…..btw way check out Bob’s new perpetual motion machine scam……….

        “Do not ask for whom the bell tolls…..”

        • newspooner

          Your comments are irrational and hard to analyze. You should put more study into the Constitution and the general principles of Americanism and morality. Good luck with your future studies.

    • Violet

      It seems in the comments posted that every has forgotten that Social Security was in good condition with lots of money until the Feds started ‘borrowing’ from it. In fact the original bill said that it was a separate fund which could not be touched. A little razzle dazzle on the part of a president and Congress and all Social Security has now is a stack of IOU’s.

      • Marlene

        A few factoids to clarify the defunding of SS. LBJ began ‘borrowing’ from the fund during his time in office and ‘repaying’ the funds with worthless IOUs. In 1983, Slick and Sleazy Willie tranferred the funds, plus interest, to the general fund with Al Gore being the deciding vote on this theft, thereby creating Clinton’s wrongly but much touted surplus. It was pure theft all the way since LBJ. Look it up if you doubt the facts.

  • KJQ

    Poor treatment of the elderly is just another symptom of the decline of Christianity and associated morality in our society. The 5th and 6th commandments are openly disregarded and mocked. If you think it’s bad now, wait until the economy collapses and/or there are more people drawing pensions and needing expensive health care. This is all playing right into the move to legalize euthanasia. As I often say, The government will be giving me ‘a needle’ before they give me a (pension) check.

    • wandamurline

      You got that right. What Obamacare does is to withhold needed medical treatment for the elderly….in doing so, the elderly will die sooner….a win/win for the government…no social security check and no medicare. Everyone made fun of Palin for her death committees, but that is what is going to happen. If you are getting older, you had better be exercising and eating right and trying to keep your health good, because if Obamacare is not repealed, there will be fewer and fewer older people. Makes me mad as hell.

    • Karolyn

      The Japanese are, for the most part, not Christian; and they have the utmost respect for their elderly. It is not necessarily religion or lack of that creates respect; it is the proper upbringing and values.

      • S.C. Murf

        Big K first off I’d like to see your stats on Japan not being Christian. For the most part, what kind of crap is that? There are a lot of Christians in Japan and those that aren’t are very religious Buddhist, so religion does come into play big time for their treatment of their elderly. Now K always being in your happy place and chanting ohmmmmmmm, Ohmmmmmmmm constantly makes it hard to get a real feel of where this world is headed, but girl there is a lot of evil going on right in front of us, and it is getting bolder and bolder every day and that is why I have a carry permit. You need to take of the rose colored glasses and see the reality, or when they come to take from you what they want you will not be prepared and will suffer.

        up the hill

      • Stickwoman Red

        It’s not religion, but culture. American Indians too, revered their elderly as they were the “teachers” of their society in every definition of the word. My grandfather was 88 when he died and he only had a 6th grade education, yet he could make anything he needed for the farm. If the horse lost a shoe, he would be a “blacksmith”. If the tractor died in the middle of the cornfield, he’d remove the broken part, walk all the way home, go into his tool shed and with his blast furnace, anvil and a slew of other tools and gadgets, he’d create the new part and put it back on the tractor. There was no such thing as Home Depot or O’Reilly’s Auto parts! If you wanted it, you made it. Same with my dear, sweet grandmother who live to 100 and was just as sharp and with it as she was when she was half that age. She too, could do everything! Canned goods, cooked, sewed, knitted, crocheted, gardened, washed, dried and iron and not with machines either! She was even grandpa’s horse when he needed to plow in areas that the horse couldn’t get into! She kept all the families birthdays, anniversaries, weddings and funerals recorded and was the family historian. Anything you wanted to know about anything grandma and grandpa would know. I am now almost 54 and I still miss them to this day and I would love to spend one more day with them if I could. But if you were not brought up to value your elders, how can one think that the younger generation will know how? I look at all this young punks out there protesting on Wall Street and I’ll bet good money that their parents have afforded them the luxury of being able to be there! Their parents are no doubt well educated and employed enough so, that they can allow their 20-somethings the time and money to go off and protest something they have no clue about! If they respected their elders, they’d appreciate what they had, get a job and get off their parent’s backs! Can’t blame them though, if their parents never taught them!!!

      • http://naver samurai

        Where do you think western society gets its morals from, hmmm? They come from Christianity. Neeeeed to get your facts straight before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Joan

    Just wanted to say that I’m 79 and I am working 10 hours per day 4 days per week and I don’t consider me “old”. I love every minute of every day. I have 2 kids, 5 grandchildren and 5 great-grandchildren and love everyone of them. I still drive to work as I always have. By the way, I’ve never been absent (called in sick) from Kindergarten through all my jobs up to the present. People appreiate that fact and can’t believe it. Thank you for your story about the “old” lady. That was really great. It’s nice to be respected.
    Thank you very much.

    • Barney

      Joan You should thank God for good health or you might have another story to tell. I am over 70 and also have had very very little health problem but only partially is it the result of good managment on my part. I don’t smoke, drink and try to do things right but once again I have good genes and thenk God for them.

      • Joan

        Barney, thank you for your reply. Yes, I am very fortunate to have good health. I appreciate waking up every single day and hope it continues for a long time.

    • Mike

      Keep going Joan! My dad just recently retired at age 83! After two months, guess what? He’s out looking for a job again! Back in July, he had heart surgery & it actually re-juvenated him. He & mom just celebrated their 59th wedding anniversary & are now looking forward to great-grandchildren.
      I come from a family of longevity. My maternal grandmother made it to 102. The other one to 97. My maternal grandfather only made it to 90 but was still working as a plumber into his mid 80′s. I had several great aunts & uncles who made to 90+.
      I really get angry at people when they say someone is too old for this job or is “over the hill” and will never fit in. Just look at presidential candidate Ron Paul M.D. At 77 years old, he looks great & is better shape, physically & mentally, than a lot of men in their 40′s & 50′s.Yet, many are saying he’s too old for the position! Age should never be a barrier to whatever you endeavor.
      Let’s hope that we can see our elderly as sources of wisdom, guidance & experience. Without such people, all of us are lost on the road of life.

      • Joan

        Mike, It sounds as if you have a great family. Thank you very much for your reply to me.

        • Mike

          Your welcome, Joan. Best wishes to you & your wonderful family. As I said, keep going…………

    • Old Henry


      You are indeed not old. As my dad used to say: “Old age is 10 years older than you are”.

      Plus old is a state of mind.

    • wandamurline

      My dad will turn 93 in January…he still lives alone (although I fret about that), he still drives, has all his marbles and works outside all day long. He is amazing, and I am blessed to still have him around and him being healthy.

    • Joyce from Loris

      Good for you, Joan!! My mother in law is 76 years young, and I truly hope I will be in great shape like she is. HER mother is 96, and my husband and I “babysit” for her to go out on dates! She dances, travels, tends to her 2 acre yard, grows a garden, runs a business… she is truly an inspiration, as you are. You ladies set an example for the younger generation!

  • Old Henry

    God Bless you and your wife for your act of kindness. As a severely visually impaired individual I know exactly how that old woman felt. The confusion can be quite terrifying.

    It sounds to me like her doctor-son probably never contacts her. I’m guessing he is consumed with himself / his life.

    For years after we got married my wife and I would go out for brunch with mom after we all got ut of church on Sunday mornings. After we had kids we would all go. Good memories for all of us.

    I watched my own parents grow old and somewhat infirm and stood at their bedside holding their hand as they breathed their last. I hope you went and visited your mom Robert and did not just think how long it had been. I have to visit my mom at the cemetary and she never answers me anymore.

    sadly we are indeed a throw-away society and none the better for it. Ever try to get a weed eater reapaired? A toaster? A TV? A tape player?

    Whenever an old person dies it is like a library burning down. It’s gone forever.

    My wife’s grandma had a saying: “Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without”. I try to live by that.

    Now days we just put the old people in an old people warehouse that we call “nursing homes” to aswage our concience.

    • Al Sieber

      Good post Henry, I’m the same age as you and have a birthday coming up in a few weeks.

      • Old Henry

        Thanks Al.

        By the way, we are experiencing some warmer weather! Yesterday it hit 78. I got my shorts back on and I worked up a real good sweat on my 5 mile walk. Looks like high 70s / low 80s thru Saturday.

        I guess I get one last hurrah for the year!

      • Old Henry

        Oh Al, I no longer have birthdays, only anniversaries of my 39th…

        • Al Sieber

          Well Henry it’s suppose to be 76 here, but rain off and on can’t complain we need it. and a high of 67 tomorrow, I’ll be freezing my a$$ off then. around 85-100 is perfect weather for me.

          • Al Sieber

            Henry there’s a friend of mine who is 86 and born on the 4th of July and lives in a small mining town about 5 miles from me, I stop and have a beer with her twice a week and take her to the local bar where she plays the piano for the tourists, I’ve known her for 40 years and we all have fun.

    • Barney

      I am over 70 and my Mom is 93 and in a home. Every week I take her for a hairdo, then we go to dog park (she loves to watch the dogs playing) then to the beach then to lunch. We never miss unless one of us is ill.

      I hear the same stories ever week and she tells me about her dogs and the latest at the home.

      In most communities there are old coots like me who can repair things and still able to help people with problems. We are cutting my 88 year old neighbours grass (1/2 acre) as he is ill.

      The only way you are going to meet people and get help is to get off the butt and get out and meet people. If you want to sit in your home it is unlikely that people will come to you.

      If you want to get help then get out and help somebody else and join the local seniors center

      We cannot sit and moan about issues like this but do something about them.

      • ValDM

        It isn’t just senior centers where you can do good & get involved. My husband & I have 2 separate ministries at 2 different senior homes. We try to go to those senior homes that have an independent living facility & an assisted care facility on the same property. Nothing wrong with old folks……..I are one.

      • Old Henry


        Good for you! YOu will have A LOT of good memories and you will also be able to rmember you mom’s stories better to pass on to your kids and grandkids in your “old age”. LOL!

        When we moved in here over 34 years ago there was an old farmer in his upper 80s living across the road. He used to go visit shut-ins from his church who were in their 70s.

        Glad you are helping your neighbor. It’s tough having things that need doing and not being able to do them yourself after a lifetime of doing just that.

        I loved mowing, but failing eyesight has interferred with that. My son told me last year to stay off the mower and let him do it. I still do trimming with the push mower and don’t run over too much stuff. I guess as an act of stubboness I mow the empty lot across the street where that old farmer used to live. It takes me about 12 hours over several days to do what should take about 1.5 hours.

        Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead! LOL!

  • Rapid Robert

    We need to teach our young that it is incumbent on them to learn and plan to take care of themselves all through life, expecially toward the end. Saying government should take care of everyone is like relying on your neighbor to take care of you. We are the government, learn to take care of yourself.

    • wandamurline

      As Ronald Reagan said The most terrifying words… “I am from the government and here to help.”

    • Old Henry

      Well said Rapid Robert! Bravo!

  • Hilda Tompkins

    I have a 92 year old father. He still has it all upstairs. He is of Mexican descent, lived and worked most of his life here in the US. He wanted to go back to Mexico to die in his own country. So, he went back. I call to see how he is doing. Some times fine, yesterday was not so fine. He had a bad fall and went to the Hospital. Checked out OK. Was told he was over stressed thinking about his 7 kids in the states. All now 50 something. But with his last conversation with us, was told that if he came home, he would be put in a nursing home because everyone works and there would be no one to care for him. That was a very hurtful message. I’m sure he felt like a throw away. Everyone wanted to be honest with him. I tried to assure him that we all loved and cared about him very much and it wasn’t like it appeared or sounded. I feel like I need to go to him and bring him home. But the nursing home or elder care is the only answer for his well being and safety.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Hilda its difficult decision. My Mother(was not suppose to have children, and had three, in which two lived) was ill all of my life, and all but 11 years of her own.__I remember her, begging,”please don’t put me in a home”__I never did__I ran two homes, hers and ours, ran an art business & raised two kids. My business was closed more than it was open, b/c my Mother was 24/7 care._Our house went up on foreclosure 5 times in a 15 year period and the bills piled up, but I was never sorry and never lost sleep, over the decision to take care of her.

      • Barney

        Angel My Moher was not selfish and when she was 88 came to us and told us to sell her home and find her someplace to live.

        I refused to make the decision on where she should live but did take her around and visited just about every seniors home in the area and she did not like any of them until we walked into one as a last chance kind of thing. She said to us, “this is it and I want that unit”. She made the decision and is now 93 and happy and so are we.

        Sure it costs us but that is the price we have to pay so end of debate.

        Good old girl and travels along with her walker. Soon it might be “move over Mom here I come”.

        • Angel Wannabe

          My Mother wasn’t selfish either. But at 11 years old she did spend 13 months in a Philadelphia Hospital during the depression era. She in reality was a human guinea pig, because at the time the doctors didn’t know what was wrong with her. I knew her medical past and wasn’t willing to make her go through institutional care at the end of her life. It was just the right decision for me nothing more.

        • wandamurline

          My dad who is 93 and I had a long talk last Sunday. He let me know right away, when he got to the point that he could no longer take care of himself, he wanted me to put him into a home. I, of course, balked at the idea, but he took care of my mother 24/7 for years, and he made me promise that I would do it, because he said he could not stand it if he were a burden on me. I pray that I will never have to do that….it would kill my soul, but at the same time, I promised and have to keep my word to him.

      • Old Henry

        Good for you Angel. And everyone involved is the better for it.

        Sounds like you are going to slide in sideways…

    • Old Henry


      Put your dad in a “home” because you all work?

      Just who is looking after him in Mexico? Sounds like he is completely ON HIS OWN down there.

      I think you are all copping out.

    • Jibbs

      If I were you, I would have my Dad home by next week, I used to live 65 miles from my parents and now I live 450 miles away. I call them several times a week, but in the back of my head I always worrie about them. I’ve tried to get them to come live with us, but my Dad just won’t leave.
      Some how I will get them here, because one day that call will come, telling me what I never want to hear and there won’t be a second chance.
      Just go get him, you can make it work.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    “Honor your father and mother that thou may live long upon the earth.” This is a promise from God and is also one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS. I find I can learn much from the older folks and it is a blessing to be able to help one; as you found out. Thanks for the reminder.

  • Barney

    To some extent we are the authors of this problem.

    When younger we also did not spend much time with the elderly and were too busy with our own lives and our families.

    We currently spend a good amount of time in our homes watching TV instead of getting out into our community. There usually are seniors centers and groups scattered around that we could join.

    We often walk around with a sour face looking like we were baptized in vinegar and nobody wants to deal with an old sour puss.

    When people do take time to talk to us, we unload on them with all of our pains and ailments and moaning about some problem or other. Who wants to spend time with people like that.

    As somebody over 70 and older we have to change the way people view us and get off our butts and do something constructive.

    Go to your local seniors home and visit somebody who is all alone as there is usually somebody worse off than us who needs somebody.
    If you want a friend then be a friend.

    This article makes us feel good but there is another side of the coin.

    It is up to us to make our own future and life and not rely on family and others to do it for us.

    • Old Henry


      “baptized in vinegar” – that’s great! I have not heard that one before.

      Great post!

  • Joyce from Loris

    My husband and I are near 60 years old. His family farmed, and he remembers growing up with grandma living with them, and even both grandmothers living with them for a few years. That’s the way families use to be, three generations living together, to take care of each other. They even had a great grandmother staying with them for a while before she died at 90 something. He still has great stories to tell about those times, and laughs as he repeats some of the “sayings” his grandmother had. Now, his 75 year old mother, and her two sisters, and taking care of their 97 year old mother. She spends equal time with each, what ever it takes to take care of her and keep her out of a nursing home. And when it comes her time, we will take just as good care of her until her time to leave us. I took care of my mom, my dad, and my step mother. That’s the way it is suppose to be. But do I believe my children will take care of me? Not sure, kids today are sure different, and it doesn’t matter how they are raised, society takes care of that. I would hope so, but sure am preparing for the alternative.

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  • Alethia

    The US is truly a throw away society. It is ok to throw away unwanted children, via abortion. No wonder the society doesn’t care for it’s elderly.

    If something breaks, it is thrown away. There are no repair places for small items. Everything is made to sale and there is no spare parts to repair them. How many camera’s have been thrown way, that only needed on small part to repair them? The camera company only wants to sale products, not quality products. Think about it what does that do to the enviroment???

    The US needs to get back to valueing people and things. Stop the throw away society, think about providing jobs for people to repair and lessen the amount of junk thrown away. Start valueing people from birth to old age. If we don’t do this someone may decide that you are not valuable and terminate your life, for the “greater good.”

  • slayerwulfe

    There is a totally different side that I think the majority of you close your eyes to so you don’t have to look at it. Every six seconds a child dies of starvation, 100,000 reported cases of child molestation some of it by Christians every yr. The babyboomer generation has known nothing but double digit growth their whole existence, yet they need to have their health subsidized. The young did not create the world they inherit and you think they are happy with it. Guns, Drugs, Tobacco, Pollution, maybe you should tell them your criticism how awful they are that they should be willing to give even more. Do you think this might be the reason they don’t care because it looks like you don’t care.

    • Jeep

      Your statistics are meaningless. And, your shot across the bow at Christian morals belies your real intentions. The “young” may not have created the world in which they now live, but they do not have the stomache to work at fixing it either. Our forefathers had all the same issues you complain about, such as drugs and pollution, this is nothing new. I just do not recall a lot of whining like I hear from the “me generation”. Get over your spoiled self and grow up. Noone handed me a silver platter, I had to work and play by the rules to get where I am. Now, if us “old guys” could somehow pass those same ethics on to you young people…hmmm…

      • Rapid Robert

        Well said> We need to teach the young folks that it is the future for which they need to prepare. The immediate pleasures must be seen as less important than comfort in the future.

  • clarence swinney

    Blessed. One of most Blessed 87 in history
    Always happy. Childhood=excellent=mill hill poor
    Family-excellent -Minister dad.
    My family-3 successful children—grandkids good.

    My life success from working for a Life(Family-Health-Work-Finances)
    not just a Living ($$$$$$) as outlined in my book- Lifeaholic

    Too dumb to be unhappy. 87 never a serious illness Wife 85 in good health.
    Wife said recently–“Past ten years best ten years of our life”
    62 years marriage. Why? We started in 1998 going to Southern Gospel concerts.
    Many local groups. .National as our Idol Ivan Parker, Harvesters,Squire Parsons, etc.
    I began videotaping and it became a full time job. We sent/gave out over 4,000 copies to rest homes, shut-ins, and those who just loved the music. We never took a penny. Our ministry pay back for our many many many blessings.

    Today, I do dvds and my favorite is 3 hours long so I do only 2-3 per day as in past I used a deck of Video cassette recorders and copied several at one time. You cannot imagine my joy. As I write it is playing. When I have a delay I do my Chinese Jog in my library to keep old heart pumping,
    Dr: ”Heart beat of a young man”. Sex life of a corpse.

  • KJQ

    Governments (civil authorities) have no business caring for the elderly, or anyone else. The God given role/responsibility of caring for aged parents rests with their family. If, and only if, they have no family, then it falls to the church to care for them. We have replaced God and His decrees with government and their decrees, and God is judging us for that. The idea of being paid to ‘not work’ (i.e. pensioned retirement) is less than 100 years old, and is already proving to be folly.

  • Iris

    From reminiscing to arguing. WOW.

    The truth of EVERY social dilemma is that UNLESS you need specific help (like the lady with glaucoma), you are best off helping yourself. This is true from the time you learned to walk (you don’t remember that, but you did).

    I am 78+ and in remarkable shape. I take one prescription and have been shaving the pills until I get it down to what I cannot do without! My doctor will disagree with me, but I know ME better than he ever will.

    I know Robert Ringer will agree with me because he is one of the ‘take responsibility for yourself’ gurus. I have taken it to the limit. Power Over Self. AMEN.

  • DeJay

    This is a sad article. I loved Robert Ringer and read a couple of his books. His Looking Out For No.1 didn’t sit well with me. I helt we need to give No.2 some consideration. His book about the American Dream was a good book. I am 82 and a middle child. I come from a self centered family which was a rare thing back in those days. I tried to be an honorable and loving person but always seem to be misunderstood. I was married two times and under much stress from both wives which I believe were in great part due to my health problems. After a heart attack at age 40 and having open heart surgery to replace a valve and 6 months later again for a triple bypass. I was alone at the hospital and felt there was no sob on earth that cared whether I lived or died. It’s a very bad feeling and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. Many times I went against doctor’s orders. My family thought I’d be the first to die. Yet two of my brothers died in their 60′s and two other brothers and a sister in their middle 70′s. I learned how to take of myself but now at 82 I am on oxygen 24/7 and in a wheelchair. I sleep in a chair with my legs propped up. I have a son and a daughter who appear to care less about what happens to me. I have no one to take care of me. So the persons claiming we should take care of ourselves should walk a mile in my shoes. During my youth I enjoyed being around senior people. I learned a lot from them. I enjoyed helping people even though I was punished for some of my good deeds. Yes, I believe the senior generation is a THROW AWAY group. Social Security was a good thing except for the fact that I believe the government planned to borrow the funds and use them in the general fund. The social security fund is very rich with IOU’s from the government and with today’s federal
    debts and stupid governance, social security is in trouble.

    • Angel Wannabe

      DeJay__people and life in general are so different today I scarcely believe its America anymore. We now have a “Me Society”, “I” come first.BTW_ I realize these are only words, from someone you don’t know, but hang in there bud, you’ll be ok. :)

  • sean murrey ILLIniois

    Us elders are smarter than this younger generation we have a lot of experice in life we been around the block a couple of times.

  • Jeffrey A. Williams

    Older people are often neglected for various reasons, some of which are not legitimate. I took care of my elderly parents until they died because there was no one else in my family that was willing to help at all, while still working full time. It was a labor of love but difficult at times not to mention expensive and frustrating because public services were not very helpful or understanding. Old people are also in some cases a great resource IMO, that is not considered and/or utilized, which is a shame and IMO a unused resource for our troubled economy.

  • Barbara

    This may be what is yet to come, taken from the Internet….

    To save the economy, on September 30, 2011 Congress will announce that they are ordering the immigration department to start deporting old people (instead of illegals) in order to lower Social Security and Medicare costs.

    Old people are easier to catch, and will not remember how to get back home!

    I started crying when I thought of you…

    …..see you on the bus.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Barbara__thats a lighter note! :)

    • Old Henry


      LOL! However, make sure they do not take their cat with them….

    • Great Grandma

      That has been sent around in email for the past few years.

  • Bob Stith

    I wonder why, when an article such as yours is made public, the conversation always turns to the worst in life and finances and the message is lost.
    Today i went to the grocery and an elderly lady was attending the check out. She smiled at me, a 75 year old man, an I was prompted to ask her for a hug. As she hugged me she said,”Everybody needs a hug, there are too few that hug anymore.” She then hugged me again. I make it a point to hug as many as are willing and then wish them a great day.
    Yes and I experience sights such as you have shared with us. It takes so little to help someone through the day and enable them to experience a little joy!!

    • http://liberty Tony

      Dear Bob:
      Sir, if you with the rest here read my first article entirely, you would of seen i’m for privatizing S.S. My post was not about “negativity” but pointing out a reality that seems to skip pass
      you with others on this site. By the way, my late granda ma Murray, my
      mother’s mom, died this past spring. She was 96 going on 97. It was s.s. that help her all those years especially last few when she was in a home. Furthermore, My mom’s 76 yrs old and will be getting married again in mid Jan., a day after my 49th birthday. The man she’s marrying will be 75 next month. They’re in great shape. They both still work, yet, they too depend partially on s.s. to make things meet. Please read thoroughly and take into account before responding thanks!!

  • Jana

    I’m 61 and have COPD. I worked a full time job and raised 2 boys, one an x-police-officer who has Traumatic Brain Injury, another who is currently in college. Both the boy’s fathers have move on to greener pastures and did this ironically when each of the boys were 9 years old.Right now I’m receiving unemployment because I was terminated from my job because I was asked to tell the truth in an internal investigation my company initiated and was retaliated against for telling the truth and then terminated because I wouldn’t make a statement that everything I told them was a lie!Can’t get disability, can’t get medicaid or medicare, and only get $16 a month in Food Stamps. I can’t find a job, at not one that anyone will hire a person over 55. Obvious because you check a box on the application asking what is your age group. And yes, age & disability discrimination is illegal but nobody does anything about it!EEOC is so backed up with the illegal activities of companies & corporations that nothing ever gets done!
    I’ve paid into the Social Security Trust Fund since I was 15 years old and have seen the “trust fund” be robbed consistently to pay for everything else in spite of the original intentions and guarantees of the fund. Fraud within the fund on all fronts (by individual recipients, medical providers, hospitals, and the government) has and is depleting the “trust fund”. The government should not only make good on the IOUs but restore the fund with interest. After all, we as citizens are expected to pay not only interest, but penalties whenever we owe them!Then, there would be plenty of money in the fund to take care of SS, Medicare, and Medicaid recipients. The whole argument that it’s a Ponzi scheme is based on the actions the government have taken to “borrow” from the “trust fund” without replacing what it took. We paid into the fund in good faith! The government took advantage of the
    “trust fund” and “us” and now wants to do away with it so they don’t have to replace the money and don’t have to be held accountable for the thievery they precipitated. As for the younger folks, I paid for over 50 years and of course, helped take care of those who went before me so if you can give me a good reason why you shouldn’t do the same then I may change my mind. But the arguments younger folks give seems to be from the book “1984″ and the current “obamacare” program with it’s death panel seems to have been patterned straight from the book. Exterminate anyone over 40, 50, 60, ? so the younger can have more, better, best of everything. Perhaps that’s the boomer’s fault for trying to give our children everything and have childhoods and teenage years better than we had. Think about it…

    • Bob C.

      the reason the young should not be forced to pay this tax (you even admit is a corrupted system) to care of people they have never met is freedom, maybe you have heard of it, it’s been catching on lately.
      in a free society, people take care of themselves and the people they care about.
      in a society where the government controls everything, even love and compassion, there is none.

    • Bob C.

      there is no “trust fund”
      have you ever gotten a statement of such a “fund“?
      of course not
      that’s the kind of thing you get from a legitimate savings account.
      it has always been another way to tax us all, just another tax

      you let them take your money, they over spend for years and years, you don’t get active about the overspending for generations, rather instead to trust blindly, then at the end of it all you want the money they spent [on and in your generations] long ago back?, knowing deep down the only way they can do it is to take more and more from the young through inflation (printing money) or taxation.
      I am truly sorry you didn’t fight this fight 40 years ago, but it’s a fight that needs to be fought.

      the very idea that one is “free” in this country but be FORCED to pay into a “retirement” plan that they may never see, ..or get thrown into a cage, is repugnant.
      and now we have socialized healthcare, and 90 years from now they will make the same arguments for that too.

      the lame “I paid into it” argument.
      it should be, “I was suckered into it, so you should pay for that” argument.

      I paid into it too, see it for what it is (government control through taxation), and want it gone.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    There is a lack of respect for the sanctity of life in general in this country. First nail in the coffin was Roe V Wade. The next was dusting off the death penalty for revenge. The next nail will be euthanasia. That is the ultimate dis-respect of the aged. There are people in the Government today who believe in euthanasia, right now, along with forced abortion and sterilization. Obama, Holdren, and Susstein for exapmple. As usual another great article from Robert. Thank you very much for this heartwarming story.

  • Scared To Death

    Very good article. Well done. If we listened to the elderly, they could tell us how to get out of this mess.

    • former walmart person

      Oreally???? Our country has been going downhill for decades, ever since I was in diapers 20 years ago. The elders can get started any time now on improving our society.

      • rusureuwant2know

        “They can get started any time” Really? How is it we’ve been being ignored when we try to tell our government that what they’re operating is a gigantic pyramid scheme and they need to stop expanding at all levels? They even need to stop accepting “fully funded” projects as “gifts” because those will require maintenance and insurance paid by the public in the future. They need to stop funding corporations and businesses that could not survive on their own. We need to get rid of the “referral services” funded by grants that are nothing more than phone-in yellow pages – everyone has access to a phone book. Can you hear me now?

  • former walmart person

    Why should I thank the elders when they delivered this society to me? They enjoyed the good life and got to live as old as they are now. Me, in 5 years, if I am not starving to death in a FEMA cocnetration camp, I will have to chew on rat and grasshopper flesh in order to survive thanks to the second great depression now unfolding. Thanks but no thanks.

  • Bob C.

    I have long believed one of the reasons we as a society treat the elders as we do, is to diminish them in the young peoples eye.
    in most other countries, the older generations are looked upon as a source of knowledge, history, ….LEARNING, this in counter to what the state wants, as it should be apparent by now to most, they (the people in power) want us dependent on them for knowledge.
    old people have been around, they have hear all the lies before, they know the deal.

    Young people that may be hearing the lies for the first time can be warned that is has been said and tried before, and what the results were back then.

    if you’re a politician trying to buy votes with tax money, you sure don’t want the old people around to talking about FDR, and all his tricks, and their consequences no.
    if your a group of politicians trying to bring about a ‘new world order‘, you would need to do more, for one, you need to separate the old from the young in a fundamental way, say like taking the “security” of the elderly out of the hands of their families, and making it the responsibility of the state… slowly transforming the elderly onto wards of the state.

    I find most of the causes of the problems we face today hide in plan view.

  • former walmart person

    ” If the medical community could transplant an 80-year-old brain into a 21-year-old skull, one can only imagine how much better the life of the young person who owned that skull would likely turn out.”

    Earth to stupid, its called books and the internet. I can read a book in hours to maybe days that summarizes work that took someone years to complete. It doesn’t take long to learn wisdom. A 21 year old can very easily have the expierence of a 80 year old, he just needs to put down the video games and read history or be doomed to repeat it.

  • Sally

    Do they realize that if it wasn’t for us “ELDERS”, THEY WOULDN’T BE

    • Angel Wannabe

      Sally__The younger generation doesn’t care, they probably think they were either hatched, or they were created by a BIG EXPLOSION, and suddenly they were here!!!

  • mari

    Taking care of oneself never stops. Looking for someone to depend on in later life is like running away from a speeding bullet. When everyone goes left run to the right (not intended politically)we are the sheep. My motto “Don’t help me” “a little bit of my own is a lot better than a grand palace of someoneelse’s”

  • Pastori Balele

    Please blame TEA Partiers, Republicans and Paul Ryan for their unforgivable sin to dump our seniors in Lake Delevan. These think they are better human beings than seniors who raised them. Vote them out in November 2012. Then they plan to live with their parents who are seniors.

    • Great Grandma

      You got that all wrong.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Great Grandma, I wonder what rock she crawled out from unda, it takes all kinds of Wack Jobs, don’t it?

        • http://deleted Claire

          Personally, I do not believe the Democrats or the Republicans give a crap about the elderly. Both parties care about one thing–themselves and to get re-elected.

    • http://naver samurai

      Too much kool aid on a daily basis! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • the survivor

    I’m 72 and figure that I’ve lived thru the best times America and the world will ever have no matter how long it keeps spinning.If there ever was the good old days they were between 47 and 77 in my opinion.

  • Blessed

    An excellent article.

    I am presently grieving, mourning the homegoing of my incomparable earthy father, who finished his earthly course, exhausted, and entered into the joy of his Lord late this past July, just a few weeks after his 92nd birthday. For the two years prior to that, it was my privilege to care for him, in his home where he wanted to remain, as he underwent the grievous decline of advanced vascular dementia.

    During this time he had to be hospitalized a number of times for various infections; and I was appalled at the attitudes I encountered among some of the doctors I had to deal with; one simply refused to treat him, and advised me to not treat him anymore, just take him home, and let the next infection, whether a UTI or a pneumonia, finish him off. This because of his age, and his dementia.

    Pneumonia has been called “the old man’s friend”; and this is complete baloney. Pneumonia drowns a person; a friend does not. Drowning is an extremely horrid way to die. Doctors who prescribe it so callously for the elderly should try a dose of this “medicine” themselves before recommending it for others, especially those who are more vulnerable. This was not the cause of my father’s death; I mention it as but one example to illustrate the cruelty of indifference to the elderly that seems increasingly to permeate the medical community.

    I think that it was Hubert Humphrey who remarked that history judges a society by how it treats its members in the dawn of life (the very young), the shadows of life (during any time of illness or other debility), and in the twilight of life (the elderly). Put another way, the essential difference between a humane, civil, and optimally free, just and merciful society and a barbaric tyranny is whether the strong are encouraged to use their advantages to protect and serve those more vulnerable than themselves, or whether they are allowed to use their advantages over others to exploit, harm or destroy them.
    It may be costly to protect and care for the vulnerable among us, but, as any honest survivor or student of the Nazi holocaust will readily attest, it is infinitely more costly to fail to do so, or to promote the sort of government that arrogates to itself, especially in collusion with the medical community, the power to decide which lives are “worth living” and which ones are not. Quality of life is a great thing, and should be pursued; but sanctity of innocent human life should be the ethical standard; the root, as it were, of the tree of which quality of life is the fruit. Cut off the root, and the fruit doesn’t remain long, and goes quite bitter while it remains.

    Respect human life, especially the vulnerable and the innocent, from birth – No; from conception. Some 50 million innocent children have been slaughtered in utero, legally, in the U.S. since 1973. The vast majority of them were perfectly healthy children killed because they were considered an inconvenience to someone, even a “threat” – this despite the fact that induced abortion has never been safe for mothers, and that advances in modern medicine have, for decades now, made it possible for any Dr. who wants to to bring even the most difficult uterine pregnancy to term. So, make the standard from conception to natural death, and it will be consistent, and not throw 50 million innocent preborn children – and many more- under the bus.

    Obviously, I agree that the responsibility of caring for the elderly rests, first, on their children. I balked at some of the aesthetic details of it at first until I considered that my father had done these same “dirty details” for me when I could not do them for myself; once I passed that hurdle, and put it to him that way, that I was only repaying a just debt, it was much easier for on both of us; and we could focus on more upbeat things.

    You only have one; to the world, you are only one person; but to one person, you are the world.


    Evil Thrives When Good Men Do Nothing – By Dr. Madeleine Mariani, N.D., Ph.D.




















    THE PANTHER – by Rainer Maria Rilke






















  • Great Grandma

    I am 75 years old. Last week I went to the emergency room with chest pains and numbness. I was treating real nice UNTIL they ordered a stress test for me. It was not walking on the tread mill but given in IV. After I was hooked to the needles, a Doctor has to be in room while the test is given. This Doctor cam in and said to me, can you walk? I said yes. He said then why aren’t you on the treadmill? I said, I wasn’t asked to be. I had no choice. A nurse spoke up and said, this was ordered for her. He acted very disgusted because he had to be there. After the test, he said, next time you walk on the treadmill. I said, I don’t intend to come back. Shocked look on his face.
    This is a Doctor who should not be working with people.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Great Grandma, I hear that!__My Dad wasn’t expected to live long, thankfully he lived only two minutes away, so when he called and said come over I knew it wasn’t good. When I found him he was pratically blue from lack of oxygen. I called the ambulance, because I didn’t want Dad Gasping for air. I felt if this was the day he was going to die, at least I could make him comfortable. When the ambulance driver got out, he asked to explain the situation. When I told him my Dad was dying,that I had nothing to help him, he yelled at me for calling an wasting the time of a rescue.__I screamed back, “That if my Dads dying, then your gonna help me, help him, do that!”!!__I then reported him to the company.__

      Nobody stands for ANYTHING GOOD today, and its the very reason why people FALL FOR EVERYTHING!

  • Barbara

    What a joke. The Democratic Party is the only party that cares for the elderly as well as children and the poor.Many in the republican/teabag party pretend to be Christians but all they do is try to take away Social Security and Medicare benefits for the elderly. Jesus did not care for the rich – but the republicans sure do.

    • former walmart person

      Still stuck in the false right / left paridign I see. The elites in both political parties, on wall street, and within the federal reserve are laughing all the way to the grave. Let me ask you an honest question: do you think it is acceptable that our rulers get to get away with crimes that us common peasant trash get the book thrown at? In other words, is it ok for elites in power to lie, steal, and murder? Our real fight should be against the concentration of power into the hands of mega corporations and big government. History shows us the simple truth that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    • kent

      Jesus cared for everyone Barbara. Rich and poor. He wasn’t into class warfare. It’s what we do with what we have that concerns Him. He certainly didn’t support government social engineering. Charity is the responsibility of His people not the government. Personal involvement is what He wants most of all.

      The Democrat party has created more poverty and misery than nearly any other organization in this country. After billions spent, how’s that “War on Poverty” going? They single highhandedly destroyed the black community with their welfare programs. If it wasn’t for Republicans the 1st Civil Rights Act would not have past. They have created a welfare mentality by promising things like Social Security and Health care that are unsustainable. Their promises are bankrupting this country and people still think they are on the side of the common folks. Nothing could be further from the truth. They raise billions of dollars from their millionaire supporters for their campaigns and deal out jobs, GE CEO Jeffrey R. Immelt, after the election. They say they mean well but, to paraphrase Christ, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. By telling the people that the government will take care of the elderly they tell us we don’t need to get involved. And that’s one thing I know for sure Christ would not approve of. He wants US to roll up our sleeves and get about the business of helping each other. Not some bureaucrat in Washington D.C.. He wants US to help the old lady across the street. Not a government “crossing the street” program.

      Sorry to be so blunt but, I’m an old curmudgeon.

    • http://naver samurai

      Too much kool aid, lies, and hate in your message. Neeeeed to get a life. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://liberty Tony

    Dear Barbara:
    Don’t let these tea partiers or more like toilet papers distort what ture Repubs./conservative. I’ve been a Repub. since 1985 during my days in college. I’m, also, a fiscal conservative. I don’t follow nor accept the Toilet papers’ agenda. Thus, don’t let them confuse you about my party. My party is truly for all people. We’ve just been invaded plus violated by bizarre hypocritical extremists. Alright, have a good afternoon!!

  • http://liberty Tony

    To Barbara again:
    A couple corrections, True not ture and are after Repubs./conservatives. Thanks!!

  • kent

    Birthdays never bothered me until I reached 70. I realized I was officially an elderly person. I could proudly wear the title “Old Curmudgeon”.
    Now that the baby boomers are approaching “old age” there seems to be a greater interest in the elderly. They certainly weren’t interested when they were in their 20s. Remember “Don’t trust anyone over 30″? But now they are one. Over 30 that is. I think that the kids today are not too much different than when we were young as far as “respecting” their elders. They were just more discrete in the past. Kids nowadays are pretty spoiled and show their selfishness more overtly. They have been raised by parents who loved rebellion. Overt or personal and they past that on to their kids. Kids are kids in all generations. It’s the parents & the society they create that help make them who they are. When I grew up selfishness was not a virtue. Today it is. No matter what anyone says. Our kids are taught self esteem and esteem for the spotted owl but not esteem for the elderly. Too bad. It will come back to bite them when they get old. Just like it’s come back to bite their parents.

  • Great Grandma

    Dear Barbara…….
    Every Democrat acts just like this Doctor. They don’t give a hoot about anyone but themselves. They care about what you can do for them and what they can take from you. Frankly, I didn’t bring up a political party. You did. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to tell it the way it is. You just added to my frustration.

  • jopa

    All these knocks on the younger generation.When we were young the elders said the same thing about us but not really meaning we were selfish, lazy or not caring.It was just a figure of speech used to make us aware to do the right thing.No malice intended.Our kids are all doing fine and a couple even had living quarters added to their building plans when their homes were built.Hope I never have to use them though.I want to remain independent or die.The grandkids spend a lot of time on their computers and I will not knock them for that for those are the tools of the future and even if they are playing games or on Facebook the exposure is good for them.Try and look at the bright side of things.

  • Ken

    The desire to respect your elders is a lost art. The kids that I run into today are disrespectful and lazy. Everyone’s whining about the economy, and rightly so, however, the secret to survival and renewed prosperity lies within this forgotten generation. They were polite and respectful innovators who made it through their great depression. Now faced with ours, we should be asking them how they did it instead of stuffing them away in a nursing home. It’s such a shame to throw away the greatest generation and to lose all of their wisdom which we so desperately need.


    For many it is a long hard road to accumulatioing the tools and the whatfor to make yourself comfortable in your waining years, many fall by the wayside and fail but if and when yiu think yu have made the grade,chances are you have not.

    The wolf is there always waiting to blow down your cottage door,in this case this administration has made it clear, the old folks have done to well and they need to become the endangered species, they know to much, remember from whence they came and mainly we want their wealth. The death tax is amoral, it is just another government theft scam and the elite avoid it by insulating themselves with “other” law. Think about it, the elite or the govenment electeds strive to make themselves unapproachable,insulated and wealthy in ways the average citizen cannot begin to have. I often wonder with my tax money and yours how do they get the idea we want them to do this?

  • FreedomFighter

    Best get rid of Obama Care its currently killing the elderly by the thousand – death panels care not for the elderly, only the dollar.

    If you care better start fighting these eugennics socialist/commies in power now.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • eddie47d

      No truth to what you said especially since his program doesn’t fully kick in until 2014 …but nice try.

      • FreedomFighter

        I am involved in elderly health care, you sir are wrong. You or anyone of the readers of this blog need only go speak with these health care workers and ask about new regulation and drug availability or un-availability due to Obama Care.

        Thanks keep drinkin the cool aide eddy.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

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  • marc

    Circumstances have put myself and my wife, (in our mid 50′s) with out grandparents or parents. We chose to wait to have children, great careers, good living, most of it abroad, and suddenly we were in our late 40′s. We both have nieces and nephews to spare, no lack of young ones, however, no elders. I have noticed in church, at the theater, while ding out, a great many elderly couples and singles. I wonder, is there a program where people like myself can “Adopt’ seniors, for walks in the park, holidays, for dinners out, or for an occasional play or movie? Does any one know of such a program? We live in San Antonio, Texas. If anyone does know, I for one would sure be glad to know.

    • LadyGreenEyes

      Wonderful thing to want to do! I would suggest checking first with the churches, and then with homes for the elderly. I know when I lived there, our choir would spend time singing and holding services at such a home. Betting you can find some place to help. Meals for the elderly services are in many cities as well.

  • Baba

    Maybe someone has already submitted Red Skelton’s line “Ain’t no one getting out of here alive.” As for discarding me because I’m aging, my children would like to differ with that idea. They and I do throw out or discard trash each voting cycle. I guess it depends on how we raise our children. Parents can be a part of and not apart from the children’s lives without being ‘in the way.’ I personally could not tolerate being around the little grandchildren for very long. I teach, they listen, I learn, we play, they go home. Love it!

  • Peter

    I wish I felt I was contributing, but I don’t. I hope to change that. In the meantime, I’m getting older. Approaching 71. One thing in particular has grown in me: a liking, and respect for well cared-for and functioning older things and people. However, there is a problem with aging. Do we just throw it out in the back yard with no respect, or do we dispose of it, or ourselves, properly…and with respect. There, that’s a major stumbling block. Make that living will…so that someone else isn’t forced to make those decisions! One of the really sticky questions here is: how much responsibility should an older person have for their short-term fate?

    • LadyGreenEyes

      Why is it that both of your “choices” are disposal? People, Peter, are not trash, no matter what their age. One does not have to be working and bringing in a paycheck, or doing this or that, to be valuable. Human LIFE is valuable, at all ages. Don’t sell yourself, or anyone else, short that way. If nothing else, you have a lifetime of experience to share.

  • jopa

    Freedom fighter sounds like a total fool talking about death panels and such.I think he may be taking the drugs meant for the elderly he supposedly is taking care of.I sure hope he doesn’t get near any elderly friends of mine.This so-called death panel is the living will that Peter just spoke of.Peter shows himself to be the adult in the room here.

    • FreedomFighter

      The proof is right in your face, you only need go look, ask a few questions.

      Go find out for yourself,

      Indirect soft kill of seniors, the changes in regulation, and deliberate scarcity of life saving drugs—softkill.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • Great Grandma

      Its in the Obamacare health bill. No treatment if you are a certain age because you are going to die soon anyway. They will not prolong your life. You will not get the care you used to get.

      • eli abellera

        Great Grandma, you need to familiarize yourself with the provisions of the Affordable Health Care Act (Obamacare to you and your cohorts)before making negative comments about it. Based on your post, I gather you haven’t read it at all. There are a lot of good things about it. One just have to digest it with an open mind casting political ideology aside in order to learn about the beneficial effects both in the short and the long run.

        • Great Grandma

          Not negative. Its in there for the older people. Maybe you should read the WHOLE BILL. Also you can’t get walkers or crutches like you used to. Nursing homes will change for the elderly also. The ones that wrote this bill won’t have the same health care program. They were given the same as Congress.

        • Tom H

          No Eli,

          YOU READ THE BILL!

          You’d have to be in the Socialist hierarchy to love this piece of legislative manure. This bill guarantees even more government corruption than we have today and that’s saying something.

          If Obamascare was so great, why did they have to pass it before anybody got to read the details?

          The reason is; it wouldn’t have had a chance to be passed if the legislature and the electorate would have had a chance to digest it

          Like virtually every bill passed by Congress, this will have massive unanticipated side effects.

          It’s a bill to destroy even more of our freedoms.

          When Americans find out what this monster really is, the outcrys will be deafening.

    • LadyGreenEyes

      He’s not a fool, and you aren’t paying attention. These “death panels” are a reality under Obamacare. Elderly people with serious/terminal illness would be told to seek “alternatives” like hospice care, in place of actual treatment. This is a FACT. If you haven’t seen this, you are not paying attention.

  • Marie

    I have always loved older folks since I was a kid. I was always kind to them. I’ll be 70 next month and am greatful for my family genes. I look about 50 or 55 and act as I always did. I’ve been blessed that way. You know, it says in the bible we are to love and take care of our elderly parents…and God would help us. I didn’t have a chance to as my mom died before I could and so did my grandparents, but they knew I would. In fact my husband and I was about to take in my grandmother, because grandaddy died, when 9 months later she died. The elderly do have much to teach us and could our own children too. When you throw away the elderly, you’re throwing away a gift.

  • newspooner

    Two years ago I had an aunt, an uncle, and a mother in a nursing home. I spent many hours there. Now I have none. I don’t go there anymore. Guess which situation I would prefer right now.

  • LadyGreenEyes

    When I was in school (back when school taught you something), there was a story in one of the readers. Community was against elderly, and would haul the older people out to die in the wilderness. One man, when the time came to do so with his dad, could not bear to leave him, so he hid the old man in the cellar. Came a time soon after when there was a famine, Grain shortage. First, the old man was given rye bread, and asked where the wheat was. His son told him there was none. Later, it was a very coarse bread of barley, that the old man could not even eat. His son was sorry, but there wasn’t any wheat. The country was starving slowly. The old man then told his son, take some of straw from the roof, and thrash it, and you should obtain some grains from that. They never get them all. The son did this, got enough grain from the roof to plant a field, and eventually, the country was saved. When his neighbors asked him how he got it, he told them, “My old father told me how.” They were amazed, and the policy of leaving the elderly to die was abolished.

    With age comes wisdom. I was raised to respect my elders, and raise my children that way as well. Something more people need to get back to! “Old and wise” isn’t just a saying with no meaning.

  • Boo-Hoo

    I have been taking care of my elderly mom for 14 years now. Half blinded by diabetes, crippled by strokes, osteoporosis. My dad passed away suddenly and my mother ended up being taken care of by me.

    It hasn’t been all in vain. Her sickness made me brush up on health and I learned invaluable knowledge about Bibilical diet, organic foods, pharmaceuticals, rogue doctors, true medical agendas, etc.

    My mother became the only known survivor of a diabetes disorder according to the doctor who took care of her. (We did not listen to them on this certain treatment.) Her doctor did not apologize only saying in so many word “phew, that was a close one, glad we didn’t do it!”, paraphrasing here.

    She has survived not only her disease but many of the doctor’s treatments. And almost all which I later eliminated due to dangerous side effects that would of eventually, IMHO, KILL HER!

    Yep, proud to say DOCTOR FREE now! And got to admit God’s hand in this too. Lot of praying!

    Not to say you don’t need medical help. Just think for yourself, it’s your body. I actually learned to listen to what they say for they gave me ideas to bounce off of to what I think might work naturally for my mother, otherwise I really had no clue.


    • jann

      Boo, you should be proud of the doctor-free status! Studying the true medical agenda tends to open your eyes. Most folks have been conditioned to blindly rely on doctors to “fix” them instead of learning to care for themselves. They don’t realize the American doctor’s job is not to heal—but rather to prescribe chemical poisons and administer vaccines in order to enrich the big pharmaceutical corporations.

      • Boo-Hoo

        Thanks for the kind words. I just wish I knew the same thing now when my father was going for heart surgery the surgeon said he needed or he would die in a year. Knowing what I know now I would have never permitted it!

        Well, he died in a year anyway and suffered all the way. The bastards got away with thousands of thousands of dollars charged the hospital. I saw the bull, er bill.

        They talked him into it while he was all alone, afraid, and trusted the bastards. I now realize they were practicing MEDICAL TERRORISM according to a book I read by a lady author (I forgot her name).

        • jann

          I wish I had wised up in time to effectively help my parents. Too late I learned that cancer does not kill–it’s the treatments that kill. And the mainstream medical profession know this. Whatever lesssons we learn from these experiences are valuable though.

          • Boo-Hoo

            Sorry to hear about your parents. On a survey they asked cancer doctors would they take the treatment they give their patients and 80% said they would not.

            Hmmm, what does that tell you?

  • Tom H

    Many thoughtful comments above.

    Social Security was a scheme to buy votes, create dependency, and ultimately control the electorate. It has been the economic mother to irresponsibility and allowed politicians to award money without figuring out how to pay for it. Same with the government pension plans at all levels. Why? Because the politicians find it much much easier to issue bonds to spend money than to figure out how to allocate scarce voter dollars. Well, the time has come to pay the piper as debt is collapsing around the world. today’s politicians are going to have to figure out how to pay for their predecessors’ promises and they won’t be able to do it because the productive sector (private sector employees) won’t pay for it. The retired employees are going to find out that their employers defrauded them.

    Privatizing social security is the only long term solution. It will instill a sense of frugality among workers that they and they alone will have to prepare for their retirement. That will result in much less wasted money spent on the frills society has created and eliminate the delusion of wealth that taxpayers really didn’t have.

  • Desert Rat

    I’m 62 & my husband 68. I am drawing early SS, as did my husband.

    My mother died 4 yrs. ago just shy of her 92nd birthday. For many years I assisted her financially, then increasingly in caring for her home & health, drawing in other siblings to assist, too.
    My father’s family has a history of living well into their 90s & an uncle lived to 103.
    With those genes I have a good chance of living another 30 or more years.

    The article was not about SS & Medicare, it was about our mobile & disconnected society. It was about a family that isn’t staying in touch with Mom / Grandma, maybe because of the demands of their own schedules, maybe because of distance, maybe because they were not taught when young to care for their elders, & the less fortunate, as I was in the 1950s — taught by example.

    When SS was started the age was set at 65 because very few lived to be 65. Over the years, as life expectancy increased, the age was not adjusted to match life expectancy, and in fact “early retirement” at 62 was added. Then disability was added. SSI became part of the package. Social Security was supposed to be about caring for the oldest citizens — those who outlived their ability to earn, their resources & savings. It wasn’t intended to support anyone who can prove they are unable to work due to a mental issue (most often claimed), injured back or those born handicapped.

    Medicare is also misused — mostly by the medical providers! It has become a cash cow for many!

    Good doctors who just want to care properly for their patients are so over whelmed by their caseloads they can not treat illness, only symptoms. The system is now set up so the General Practitioner or Internist must refer patients to specialists. The specialists own a piece of the action in the clinics they send the patients to for treatment.

    My mother benefited greatly by the tremendous gains made in health care over her lifetime, but lived to have one used against her, making her final 3 years miserable.

    The system now is not about prolonging life, but all about prolonging death for the benefit of the Dr.s, big pharma & investors.

    Life support equipment was developed to assist a very ill or badly injured person regain their health. They were intended to give the patient’s organs a rest, allow healing so the organs could take over doing their jobs. They were not intended to keep a person “alive” for years & years. My brother benefited from that technology after an accident, but it was properly used just enough to allow his organs to heal & go back to work for him.

    Mother benefited from the technology of the heart pacemaker. However she suffered from use of the death prolonging dialysis treatments that should NEVER have been started!

    A diabetic 88 year old who has only one kidney, has had cancer more than once & has had multiple heart attacks is not a candidate for regaining her health, nor did she has any improvement in her ‘quality of life’. Instead she was robbed of what quality of life she’d had by the requirement that her life revolve around her medical care. The Neurologist, the Vascular surgeon, the clinic all just saw her as a cash cow & steady source of income.

    My oldest sister, age 73, had both knees replaced within the last year. She had been the target of some intense advertising & pressure from the scooter industry prior to that. Contrary to the claims of that industry, it would have confined her to one floor of her home & kept her really housebound most of the long Denver winters.

    I have seen demonstrated by my daughter & grand children they have learned the lessons of caring for the oldest, the infirm & less fortunate. I believe my husband & I will be cared about and for in our twilight years!

    Until then we will work at taking care of ourselves & continue assisting others. We both continue working to earn our own keep, we work at taking care of our bodies & thank the Lord for every day we have!

  • Marlene

    To those of you who believe that Obama’s Death Panel doesn’t exist, you probably agree with Iran’s squinty-eyed midget leader that the Halocaust never happened. Also, it’s a fallacy that the changes of Obamacare don’t take effect until 2014. They began taking effect last year after Obama took $575 billion from the Medicare Fund that workers paid into since 1959. It affected me as far as my Nebulizer is concerned (I’ve been on it by necessity since 2004) and my oxygen that I’ve been on since 2005, also by necessity so I can breathe. Last year in May, Medicare stopped paying for the use of these life giving machines. I asked why and finally, 2 months ago, Medicare called me and explained that it doesn’t pay for more than 36 months. I asked the rep why they’d been paying for 5 and 6 years and, after talking to her supervisor, I was told it was because of the money Obama took from Medicare to pay for uninsured persons who have never bothered to cover themselves, who have never worked and are illegaly in this country and also to pay for Medicaid. That’s straight from the horses (Medicare’s) mouth. You can’t tell me that Obama gives diddly-squat about seniors, ill and disabled people. We need to replace him with someone who is economically trained and experienced in running successful businesses, like Herman Cain. Actually, the Tasmanian Devil would be preferable to Barck Hussein Obama, the devil’s spawn.

  • jopa

    Marlene: Your Nebulizer costs about eighty dollars to buy and Medicare will rent one for you for 36 months.If it is still working fine, if not they will rent another one for you.They are not going to let you choke.I think what you are trying to feed us here is not from the horses mouth, butt from the other end of the horse.Also there is no such thing as a death panel in the Health care bill.What Palin was referring to was the fact that the bill would pay for end of life counseling so that you could die with dignity.I would not want to wake up in the ICU with breathing and feeding tubes to keep me alive for years.This medical horror goes on for years even with people in the vegetative state because of the inability of their relatives to accept the fact they are actually dead.This is costing Medicare Billions.My wife just had a stent put in her heart.Three days in and out of the hospital.The bill was $190,000.Just imagine what the people in the ICU’s in a vegetative state are costing the Medicare program due to ignorance and selfishness.I guess you could say now that Palin’s claim t fame would be that the American public has to pay for end of life counseling and not Medicare.About the oxygen equipment I also have a Nebulizer and an o2 concentrator paid for by Medicare.

  • Shine

    I am so happy to hear that some one else has seen this like a real problem and something horrible that is going on in this country among others. But to solve this we have to go to the roots of this consecuences. The lack of moral values, the lack of spiritual values, the lack of believe in something bigger than just us as human race, the uncounscience that the media want us to live in, letting the government take care of our children, letting government and media what to believe and what not, letting corporations mess with nature like monsanto, all this things have horrible consecuences, and this consecuences are in conclusion the Lack of God in our Society and our Lives. God doesn’t want people to give away their freedom! and that is exactly what we are doing, the freedom we need now is not delivering us from enemies out of this country, the freedom we need is to free ourselves of wrong ideas of happiness, letting tv telling you and your children what to get or do to be happy. We are disposable for the goverment, for the system, the system is wrong, we have to make our own world, start from scratch little ones to find ourselves and meet God once more.

  • Great Grandma

    The greatest country on earth has lost its way. Its not only the elderly that is being disrespected but listen to how others talk to each another. This country is being torn apart and its showing. Some won’t admit the truth about what is going on so they take their anger out by blaming others. Its not the people who have no power that changed what is happening, but the people IN POWER who have made the policies and changed our country.

  • newspooner

    Old German Proverb; “Too soon we grow so old; too late we grow so smart”.

  • SmartAlice

    What a tragedy that the elderly are treated thus. But they are not the only ones. This is a problem that is pervasive in our society. I had to get a divorce and felt like “garbage to be tossed out” by my husband. How often do we hear in the news that children have been abused by their elders. We live in a self-centered, selfish society, where the attitude is “all about me” and if work is involved “you can count me out.” It makes me sad that the value of human life has been so devalued by society.

  • Great Grandma

    It starts in the home. Children learn by what they see others do.

  • Sunshine49

    I enjoy reading the comments as much as the article.

    I’ve been living with my 88 years old mother for the past 10 years. Dad passed away eight years ago and I promised him I would take care of Mom the best I could.

    I’m lucky that Mom has been healthy most of her life, but she is having a harder time with walking now.

    People say that she is lucky to have me, but I think I am lucky that our family has always been close. I can’t understand how people can move away and forget about their parents.

    I see a wealth of knowledge passing away with their generation. If it finally hits the fan here in the U.S., the younger generation doesn’t know how to take care of themselves like our parents who lived through the first depression. Without them, it’s going to be a rough ride.

  • Take Aim

    Most kids these days do not look out for their elderly parents, friends, relatives and neighbors. As one who lost both parents within the last ten years and other elderly relatives just recently, I always contacted them to check on their well-being. That was my choice, because they took care of and worried about me and my sisters. I always appreciated what they done. We must remind the younger generation that one day, they too will get older and hopefully someone will be there to watch out for their well-being then.

  • Wally

    My mother and father were both unbelievable and the best parents anyone could have had. This article brings tears to my eyes for a number of reasons. My father frequently stoped to listen to elderly people and as he used to say “darling little old lady” He told me how much there is to learn from them. I don’t know if it is his own, or a quote from somebody else, but he often put it so beautifully:

    “it is unfortunate that wisdom is wasted on the elderly”






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