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Three-Quarters Of Employers Believe Obamacare Will Raise Benefit Costs

January 5, 2011 by  

Three-quarters of employers believe Obamacare will raise benefit costsThe majority of employers in the United States expect that healthcare reform will increase their insurance costs, and nearly one in every four organizations is considering dropping employee benefits to reduce expenses.

A recent national survey conducted by the Midwest Business Group on Health questioned approximately 430 employers about the impact of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. About 74 percent of respondents said that provisions of the law will boost benefit costs, and 60 percent of employers said the healthcare overhaul is intended to eliminate employer-based system and move to a single-payer system.

Approximately 22 percent of employers admitted that they would consider dropping health benefits altogether. Of those who said they would drop coverage, only one in five said that they would raise employee salaries to help them purchase individual coverage.

According to CNN, GOP lawmakers aren't wasting any time in their efforts to repeal Obamacare. The news provider reported that Republican House members have scheduled a procedural vote to repeal the legislation on Jan. 7, just two days after beginning the new Congressional session.

"Obamacare is a job killer for businesses small and large, and the top priority for House Republicans is going to be to cut spending and grow the economy and jobs," Brad Dayspring, spokesman for incoming House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), told the media outlet.

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  • anthonytuner

    If you currently have pre-existing conditions like me that have prevented you from being able to qualify for health insurance for at least six months you will have coverage options under new health care. Check “Wise Health Insurance” to find how to get quality insurance for dollars.

    • Jim

      Anthony, we did not need this 2000 page BS health care take over to make a law requiring Health insurers to cover people with pre existing conditions out of the thousands of mandates in obamacare democrats keep bringing up 2 or 3 that we really do need the rest are BS and I hope the republicans can overturn this socialist take over Health care bill if not now in 2012 and do whats right for the people and our country …and obamacare is not the answer
      PS: my son has cystic fibrosis so please dont tell me I dont know what I’m talking about, and his doctors have told us obama care will do more harm than help people like him with life threatening diseases

      • ValDM

        In case you were unaware, we already had that “pre-existing” thing taken care of. The name of the bill which addressed this issue as Hipaa. LOOK at the bill (you can find it online) and see if that’s not true.

        • hflashman

          HIPAA has significant restrictions and is not applicable to many pre existing conditions. Further, there are areas of dispute in coverage exclusion periods and each issue is fought tooth and nail by the new insurer. Further, anyone entering into a new Group Health plan with a new employer has to prove “credible coverage’ and…even more significant … if a “pre existing conditions” reoccurs during the exclusion period…that pre existing is not covered during the exclusion period and…real significant…does not come under the HIPAA protections.

          Nice try.

          • ValDM

            Nice try yourself. You’ve managed a little doublespeak here. Read the bill again. Pre-existing conditions CAN be covered, but not during the exclusionary period. I have a pre-existing condition and that same tired ruse was used against me until I got wise.

      • who cares

        You don’t know what you are saying.

    • meteorlady

      So, that’s why as an employer, my employee sponsored health care premiums are going up as of 1/1/11. It’s precisely because of the “added mandatory coverages” (to quote my insurance company), that I am now going to have to suck up and pay more money to the insurance industry. It would have been better if the government would have allowed insurance companies to cross state lines, along with starting pools for co-ops like the Republicans wanted in the first place.

      As a result of the new premium costs I have three choices, close my doors eventually, lay off two workers, or increase my prices (not good in this economy). Or, hey, I could just give my family less and assume that my hard work is for the “common good”. We might even qualify for food stamps…..

      • thinking

        Now you’re getting it! Obama wants government to be in control of not only the rich and poor but of all business. You may also notice government agencies are now making laws also. The EPA, TSA, Federal courts and even Obama himself. This take the difficult decision making process away from the house and senate. There is plenty of money being printed up so don’t worry about food stamps or EIC, we will all be on it one day or maybe the country will just fail.

      • hflashman

        This year’s reason was the “added manadatory coverage”. What were the reasons last year? And the year before? And the year before that?

        Note the data…the rise in premiums this year are almost identical to the premium increases year after year after year. Think about that….

        • JC

          Yep think about that, then toss in some government bureacracy and a hidden agenda of complete financial control and the ability to build dossiers on every business and citizen.
          Then ask your self why we aren’t cleaning up Government / Corporate Cronyism rather than going down the Socialist Road completely corrupt Government Control of our Health Care?

          Oh Yeah! because a bunch of idiots elected a communist….

          • herman richardson

            We cannot do anything about this, Big Brother is watching!! You cannot get enough honest people in an office of power, power corrupts, Rome is burning!!

    • Walt

      If morons like you first ask “why did the politicians and unions opt out of obamacare”. You would have your answers “IT SUCKS”! So take your pill and leave earth!

  • Robert Smith

    From the article: “Approximately 22 percent of employers admitted that they would consider dropping health benefits altogether. Of those who said they would drop coverage, only one in five said that they would raise employee salaries to help them purchase individual coverage.”

    It is my understanding that most small business folks tend to be on the right side of the political spectrum. I find it amazing that they would support the notion that universal health coverage is something bad. Like employers in most other industrialized countries they wouldn’t have to be bothered with health benefits at all, and yet they will still have a healty employee pool. They wouldn’t be spending that money. They can use it to offer more competative salaries, or they could keep it themselves.

    WHY does any business oppose universal health care?

    Rob

    • Vigilant

      Because it costs money, stupid! The 22 percent you talk about would not be able to afford the increased rates and continuw business as usual.

      The 26% of small businesses that don’t believe that provisions of the law will boost benefit costs must be liberal business owners, too stupid to master the simple mathematics of addition and subtraction.

      • hflashman

        Actually Vigilant….I had a group of folks involved with me conduct the math when the public option was being discussed, and just last month had it updated so I could have the financials done in time for a meeting next week.

        Guess what. By a significant amount, the Public option bill would have saved this business a significant amount in health care costs. Significant. Almost enough to, just in savings, hire two more people on.

        As it stands, we are taking a hit incosts because the Group Health Plan raised the premiums and we decided not to pass that additional cost onto the employee pool. Up 16%. No reason since Health Care Reform just kicked in and the costs (if any) to insurance companies hasn’t been realized. Matter of fact, the raise in premiums is about the same as the previous years.

        So I don’t know what ‘employers’ of “small business’ they polled, but since the article is unsigned …I suspect it is one of bias. Add to that, 430 does not make a statistically valid group and the source of the “poll data” automatically screams bias.

        Ask any small business owner and as their numbers are crunches they’ll have in all likelihood the same conclusion. The tax breaks are nice and will absorb much of the increase by the group coverage…but overall, with the changes mandated by the GOP in the final version, small business…true small business…got the shaft

        • ValDM

          You cite no “for instances”. Look at the Mass. state health care bill. It’s the one that was the model for Obamacare. After its inception, EVERYONE who had employer paid coverage got their premiums raised by almost 20%. The self-employed and others that bought their own policies had their premiums raised by almost 30%. Do a little research before you spout off. If, as you claim, that you had professionals give you the advice you’ve stated here, they were either completely incompetent or deluded. Additionally, many aren’t paying buying insurance until they NEED it; thereby screwing the insurer. How many insurers do you think will staqy in business when that start happening on a national scale?????????

          • Robert Smith

            It’s because of the same reason oil prices go up and up and up… Because they can.

            Rob

        • Vigilant

          When Flush says, “Actually Vigilant….I had a group of folks involved with me conduct the math when the public option was being discussed, and just last month had it updated so I could have the financials done in time for a meeting next week.

          Guess what. By a significant amount, the Public option bill would have saved this business a significant amount in health care costs. Significant. Almost enough to, just in savings, hire two more people on.”

          Thank you for confirming my point. Libs have no competence in mathematics. Read the other posts from business owners on this site.

        • American Citizen

          Nothing is free, everybody’s including businesses, would have their taxes raised to pay for it. It’s a tradeoff, common sense tells you this. Look at the countries that have universal healthcare, they’re all in trouble and talking about dropping some aspects of it. Listen to the people in those countries who have trouble getting healthcare. If you’re wise, you learn from others’ mistakes.

      • skip

        Vigilant, you missed the whole point. If employers don’thave to pay any health care benefits, then they can compete much more effectively with BMW, Mercedes, Volvo, Nissan, etc., where there is no health care cost for the employer.

        Universal health care is the answer to make us more competetive as a nation.

        For those who think Obamacare will raise health care costs, it hasn’t even started, and my health care premiums went up 38% in 2009, and another 25% in 2010 – Anthem Blue Cross individual policies. This the reasons given included the massive obesity epidemic and the cost shifting from the uninsured! THey made the case for universal health care themselves. Why pay them 20% profit off the top before they start paying for health care? Any ideas? So-called Obamacare could not possibly be worse.

        • Vigilant

          skip says, “Vigilant, you missed the whole point. If employers don’thave to pay any health care benefits, then they can compete much more effectively with BMW, Mercedes, Volvo, Nissan, etc., where there is no health care cost for the employer.”

          And I thought you liberals were the great enemies of “corporate welfare.”

          Where the HELL do you think the $$$ comes from to fund health benefits? A single-payer system taps the wealth of everyone to pay for the indolent, illegal aliens, welchers and leeches. I guess it’s just that same old fuzzy liberal math. Berwick’s comments were VERY clear that UHC is socialistic redistribution from the rich to the poor.

          • Robert Smith

            Vigilant asks: “Where the HELL do you think the $$$ comes from to fund health benefits?”

            Same place as other industrialized countries get the funding for it. AND! It is cheaper in terms of absolute cost, cost to citizens and business, and as part of GNP.

            Why not go a better way?

            Rob

        • Vigilant

          And then skip says (unbeievably),
          “For those who think Obamacare will raise health care costs, it hasn’t even started, and my health care premiums went up 38% in 2009, and another 25% in 2010 – Anthem Blue Cross individual policies. This the reasons given included the massive obesity epidemic and the cost shifting from the uninsured! THey made the case for universal health care themselves. Why pay them 20% profit off the top before they start paying for health care? Any ideas? So-called Obamacare could not possibly be worse.”

          Two facts you are undoubtedly unaware of:

          (1) You’re right, it hasn’t even started, and yet American taxpayers are supposed to fund the system for FOUR YEARS before it fully goes into effect! How’d you like it if your car salesman told you you could have the new car four years from now, and you’ve got to make layaway payments until then?

          (2) The reasons Anthem Blue Cross gave were as expected, after the Feds threatened to run insurers out of business if they told the truth about rate increases. see
          http://njecpac.blogspot.com/2010/09/government-threatens-to-black-list.html

          “Sebelius is threatening to put health insurers out of business in a substantial portion of the market if they state that HR 3590 increased their cost of doing business.
          The first Amendment reads, “Congress shall make no law, abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press.” Sebelius’ approach is different: “zero tolerance” for dissent.

          “The threat to use government regulation to destroy or harm someones business because they disagree with government officials is Chicago style thuggery. just as it was when the Obama administration gave their United Auto Worker minions a hand out at the expense of Chrysler’s bondholders who actually had something invested in the company.”

          skip, wake up and smell the tea!

      • Lastmanstanding

        Good point. Do some research in your local communities regarding how many of these liberal/progressive businesses were actually started with “funding, grants, etc.” Wouldn’t it be great if everyone could start a business with taxpayers money. IT IS HAPPENING ALL OVER THE US!!! We own 2 businesses that we have started with our own money or borrowed from a bank under “customary” terms. (collateral, financial statements, etc.) We are working our asses off to keep ourselves and a few others with a paycheck. The people that we work with are working their asses off to keep their jobs. I am so sick of opinions and stupid questions from those that don’t know what the F*** they are talking about!

        We will continue to fight a winning battle!

        • TIME

          LMS,

          Your oh so right, saddly many who promote such mindless statments as being ” Liberals” have neither run a business, nor started and owned one.

          So what would they say knowing that Most of the ” TOP 2% ” they whine & piss and moan about got money from the Government to not only start their business; but also to get Protection from the Laws everyone else has to follow.

          But hey – that would require thinking, as the Media will never tell you any of that intel, nor will your politicians.

          • Robert Smith

            Time says: “…neither run a business, nor started and owned one.”

            Outright false. I ran my own business for 25 years. I also did Amway for a a couple of years until I figured out that Devos was a nut case offering nothing but ruthless selfishness.

            Quit lying about others Time.

            Rob

      • Robert Smith

        Vigilant says: “The 26% of small businesses that don’t believe…”

        There we go again, that magic “belief”.

        I want FACTS, not belief.

        The FACT is that small businesses and BIG business will do better with universal health coverage.

        I’m really getting sick, and millions of Americans are sick, of having to rely upon the “beliefs” of a few true believers.

        Universal care has PROVEN itself in other industrialized countries, meanwhile America is just about even with Cuba in health care.

        I don’t believe. Quit forcing your beliefs on me.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Then why did 50 unions and many businesses opting out before it starts? Because it’ll raise costs to the employers and employees health care coverage. Do you have insurance, moron? I was called by my State Farm agent and he tells me that my rates will be going up because of it. How about yours, moron? I’ll bet yours will be going up also. I guess the ones that will benefit from this Obama bin Laden Care will by the insurance companies and big pharm companies. Just think, aren’t these the companies that you’re kind of against there rob? You say you ran a business for 25 years? Can’t see that happening with all the BS you think and post on this site. By the way, how was the navy when you joined in 1946? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai claims: “Then why did 50 unions and many businesses opting out before it starts?”

            Tell us WHO samurai. I don’t believe you. Oh, and it’s YOUR claim so you don’t need to tell me to do YOUR homework again. That is dishonest on your part.

            Then again, I can argue like you do… Because to use YOUR phrase: They are morons.

            I think it’s because they are thieves and if the cash flow changes from the way it is now those “executives” will have to give up plenty.

            Rob

            Rob

          • libertytrain

            Rob, here’s a list for you of companies and unions that have gotten waivers:
            http://www.hhs.gov/ociio/regulations/approved_applications_for_waiver.html
            and here is a Foxnews article. I know it’s not an article you may consider valid but it does send you to the .gov list as well.
            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/08/big-companies-unions-win-health-care-waivers/

    • 45caliber

      Several reasons.

      Taxes go up. Costs due to taxes go up. Paperwork on an insurance program generally takes about four hours to fill out – once per year. (Individual paperwork is filed by the employee and doesn’t cost the business.) Time off for ill employees go up as they are forced to sit a lot longer at the doctor’s office. Many tests are transferred to the hospital which takes more time – and costs more. Etc.

    • Vigilant

      “I find it amazing that [right wing business owners] would support the notion that universal health coverage is something bad.”

      These owners are not in the business of judging whether Obamacare is good or bad from a point of “morality.” They are in business to make money, and increased costs of health care to them means a reduced bottom line.

      Now you may think that they should adopt a socialist mentality and reduce their own profits to satisfy another wealth redistribution scheme (and that’s admittedly what Obamacare is: re Berwick’s comments on the matter), but it would be just a matter of time before they go out of business. And that, my friend, is what Obama is counting on.

      • Jim

        obviously you dont own a business other Wise you would understand basic business practices require any business to be PROFITABLE or your wasting your time running that business, I dont understand why socialists like you dont move to Cuba or Venezuela and try to start a business…could it be because they know it would not succeed

        • Vigilant

          Jim, I assume you were addressing Robert Smith and not me. (:-)

        • Robert Smith

          Hey Jim you say, “I dont understand why socialists like you dont move to Cuba…”

          In Cuba the health care is just about the same as in America, except that a higher percentage of their population has access to it. It isn’t polarised like it is in America.

          BTW, there are many small successful businesses in Cuba.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            How much of their money goes into Castro’s pocket? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            I don’t care how much Castro pockets it is still LESS expensive for the people.

            Actually samurai Cuba spends way less of its GNP on health care and they get care that is comperable to America.

            Rob

          • wayne

            Robert, if you believe that the new health care bill will reduce the cost of your premiums that is like saying that when Obama gets the “Cap & Trade” bill passed it will lower your energy bills. Don’t believe anything that Obama and his Democrats (Socialist & Communists) tells you.

      • Vigilant

        Regarding the good Doctor Berwick:

        “The good doctor is an unabashed proponent of government-enforced rationing of medical care services. Last year he told reporters, “The decision is not whether or not we will ration care — the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open. And right now, we are doing it blindly.”

        Ironically, Berwick is blindly taking over the reins of the Obamacare scheme by bypassing the investigation into his pronouncements that would have inevitably percolated up from the Senate confirmation process.

        In a speech praising the National Health Service of the U.K., Berwick made a statement that may have influenced Senators called on to approve his nomination that displays his naked socialism: “Any healthcare funding plan that is just, equitable, civilized, and humane must, must redistribute wealth from the richer among us to the poorer and the less fortunate. Excellent healthcare is by definition redistributional.”

      • skip

        Vigilant, you seem to miss the point entirely. What is your problem. Read the responses to your comments carefully. How does universal health insurance increase employer costs??? It eliminates them alotgether!

        • Dale on the left coast

          Ever been to Britain or Canada Skip? The hurry-up-and-wait govt run health care is great. New technologies are old technologies by the time they are able to afford them.
          You think health-care is expensive now . . . wait till its FREE!!!

          • Robert Smith

            If it’s so bad why do they keep it?

            BTW, they live longer and babies do better than America. How would YOU measure the health care in those countries? Oh, I remember, you CLAIM they have to wait.

            BTW, have you had to deal with “in plan” or had to schedule surgery in America? How long did it take to get approval from your insurance company?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            cite your sources on that moron (rob). If it’s so great, then why do many people come to the U.S. from Canada to get life saving operations? Get off of the liberal crack before it fries you little lib mind. You also skip. You 2 morons sound alike. Are you both watching the same left wing videos or are you 2 actually boyfriends and have a “healthy relationship” with each other? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            cliamed: ” If it’s so great, then why do many people come to the U.S. from Canada to get life saving operations?”

            The very rich in Canada can “jump the line” by coming to America. That is their privelage.

            In general the health care is BETTER in Canada if you look at the numbers for longevity and infant mortality.

            AND! It costs way less.

            AND! There isn’t a mass migration of doctors coming to America from there.

            AND! a ton of money doesn’t go to greedy insurance executives and stock holders. It goes into care.

            Rob

          • libertytrain

            Rob, there’s a marketer out there, Troy Smith, who has published some interesting things about the birth of his twins – born premature in of course his home country of Canada. They made interesting reading – what they went through to find a hospital – etc

        • Vigilant

          skip, if you REALLY believe that universal health insurance altogether eliminates employer costs, then I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

          • Robert Smith

            So, if a small business doesn’t have to pay for health insurence for employees just how does it cost them? Please explain in as much detail as you can.

            AND, compare it to Canada where they have a similar business structure to America.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Nothing in this world is free rob, moron! Nothing is free. There’s always a catch. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            So samurai, what’s the catch in Canada, England, and all the other countries that have universal health care and better health care than America does?

            You keep making claims but offer no support for them.

            Why is America so close to Cuba, and so much more expensive in health care?

            Rob

    • Flynn

      Robert, Most businesses oppose universal health care, specifically Obamacare, because it effects their bottom lines. It’s that simple. It will drive more and more businesses to seek refuge in better business environments in other countries where their bottom line won’t be affected, thus affecting the bottom lines of thousands of unemployed Americans. Before a business can increase an employee’s salary, the employee must demonstrate that he is worth the increase to the company or business.

      • Robert Smith

        Flynn claims: “because it effects their bottom lines.”

        Another BIG LIE. Repeat it often enough and some day folks will believe it.

        Tell us HOW it will impact bottom lines of small business not having to spend money on health insurance.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Tell us how they won’t be penalized by opting out and having to pay a high cost annual fee? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • http://naver samurai

      Rob, you’re such a moron! It’s not just businesses that are wanting to opt out of this thing, but 50 unions have also opted out of this program. Why? They say it’ll cost anywhere from 17% – 30% more in monthly payments from their members and cost them (the unions) much more in the long run. Sorry rob, but the one thing a business has to do is to make a profit to stay in business. How can they do it when Obama bin Laden care will cost too much money. Second, it is also a direct violation of the Commerce Clause of the Constitution. The new Speaker of the House said to look for Obama bin Laden Care to be one of the first things to go. Third, one of the debates are about “death panels.” Sorry moron, but they are part of this bill. I don’t mean they’ll shoot people or give leathal injections in hospitals, but they are doing this be denying medications to patients who need them. I found this story on http://www.spectator.org/archives/2010/12/22/the-death-panels-first-murder

      “Last week, the Food and Drug Administration revoked its regulatory approval of the drug Avastin to treat late stage metastatic breast cancer. Each year, the practicing oncologists chosen by 17,500 American women to save them from their life-threatening, heavily progressed cancer prescribe Avastin to treat them.
      The FDA explained that it was revoking approval of the drug for that use because it decided that the drug does not provide “a sufficient benefit in slowing disease progression to outweigh significant risks to patients.” Risk? The drug is prescribed for women who are otherwise going to die from cancer unless the drug saves them at least for a time. The far greater risk to these women is from the FDA, not the drug.

      Rob, I remember you always talked about the big drug companies were just out to make money and to get it by gauging the average American? Well, what the heck you think that they are going to do once Obama bin Laden Care gets started? I guess you’ll never know how expensive insurance can be till it’s free. We’ll be praying for you to see the light, rob. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        From samurai: “I remember you always talked about the big drug companies were just out to make money and to get it by gauging the average American?”

        Why are the same drugs manufactured in America cheaper in Canada?

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Why don’t you tell us? Maybe because our health industry is free enterprise? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Why are the same drugs manufactured in America cheaper in Canada?

            Rob

        • http://naver sook young

          Since this administration doesn’t want women with breast cancer to take Avastin to save their lives, I guess that these women are first for the death panels? Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            No, the danger from that drug and the minimal results have been proven to be way below any potential benefits.

            Why don’t you look at the actual studies rather than an opinion piece in a right wing rag as samurai cited?

            Rob

      • Robert Smith

        awwwww samurai, you are accepting an OPINION from the American Spectator, a known right wing rag as “fact.” ROFL

        Check out: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/health/06avastin.html?_r=1

        “But there is another side to Avastin. Studies show the drug prolongs life by only a few months, if that. And some newer studies suggest the drug might be less effective against cancer than the Food and Drug Administration had understood when the agency approved its uses.”

        IOW, you didn’t give us the whole story, samurai. Shame on you for giving us an opinion as fact.

        Rob

    • meteorlady

      OMG Robert! You amaze me. I am an employer. 22 people. It costs me a small fortune to pay for my employee health care. Now it’s going to go up – already got the premium notices. Talked to my doctor and she said she was not taking any new Medicare or Medicaid patients because they were costing her money and she had to raise her prices to paying patients in order to make ends meet.

      Fact is we paid billions and will continue to pay billions for only a small portion of the population that already was covered by CHIPS, Medicaid and other public entitlement health care programs. That just doesn’t make any sense so it must be all about control.

      Why didn’t the government look into co-ops like the Republicans asked for during the bogus health care debates? There’s a particularly good one in Seattle called Group Health Cooperative you can study. Why didn’t the government allow insurance companies to cross state lines? There’s a lot of lower cost health care plans that are just as good as what I furnish, but they can’t sell in my state.

      Fact is, I may also cut my health care to employees when it gets to the line where my family isn’t getting what I want for them and myself. It is, after all, MY business and if I don’t get a favorable reward, I either quit, lay people off, or go elsewhere.

      • Robert Smith

        meteorlady claims: ” It costs me a small fortune to pay for my employee health care. Now it’s going to go up – ”

        And if we had universal health care it would go go ZERO and you wouldn’t have any administration costs to worry about when it comes to health care.

        What part of that don’t you understand?

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Sorry moron (rob), but you know the old saying “Nothing in this world is free?” Under the Obama bin Laden Healthcare Law (section 936), government is developing and widely disseminating “decision aids”, that is, brochures and the like for Medicare patients on how and when to die. (OMG! Death panels! Palin was right!) This is in no way, shape, or form, the government’s business.
          The government isn’t an impartial adviser. The sooner you give up on medical care, the less money the federal government has to pay out. It would be like asking any health insurer when you should say “enough is enough” to medical care.
          This shift of resources from Medicare to Medicaid under the new Obama bin Laden Healthcare Law puts this into perspective.
          It’s like robbing Peter to pay Paul, only it’s robbing grandma and grandpa. Ergo, section 936 is Obama bin Laden’s early death propaganda machine. How really Goebbels of him to do this. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          http://www.newsmax.com

          Look for Obamacare pushes for early death by Betsy McCaughey

          • Robert Smith

            Couldn’t find it. Do you have a direct link?

            BTW, is it another opinion piece with no facts in it?

            Rob

  • TIME

    We don’t believe its a fact ~ we know its a fact My God anyone with even the least amount of gray matter can figure that out.

    What else needs to be said, well that is other that even the political moreOFFS know that Health Insurance cost will grow straight out of the box at a minum 10% or more most figure the real upward cost that will effect them is more in the 22% range.
    As well could top out at 100% more if this is allowed to grow to its full level.

    Thats why the Unions have asked to be removed from having to follow this alledged law.

    But hey why let facts or the truth get in the way of a Good BullSh*t
    story from the Putz in charge and his lap doggies in the Clown media.

    People if Chickens really knewn who Col Sanders was, do you really think they would like him let alone jump in the pot with joy?????????

    • Christin

      TIME,
      Unions, Muslims, and many other companies… Wal-Mart, McDonalds… all opting out… who’s left? This BILL WILL KILL the middle class!

      And may I please remind you all that this “so called Healthcare Bill” (aka. obamacare) was not even a real bill, but the House (who had their own bill) was forced to vote for it when the Senate passed it as the Socialists in Congress realized that the “window of opportunity” was closing because the PEOPLE of America were waking up and DID NOT want this lengthy uncomprehendable 2000 page legislation nor the government TAKE OVER over of the private Health Care Industry.

      And may I add to the discussion that it wasn’t even written by Congress who is the only body of government that is suppose to write and pass laws according to the American Constitution, but instead the “so-called health care bill” (aka. obamcare) was written by the APOLLO ALLIANCE.

      And further more we should NOT FORGET that this “so-called health care bill” which has less to do with “real health care” and more to do about a HIDDEN AGENDA to control the people and eliminate them.

      Please, can we stop talking about “the bill” as if it were legitimate…

      112th Congress “repeal away” this farce of a nohealthcare bill.

  • John Wayne

    I’m not an “employer” but the premium for my Medicare Supplemental Insurance increased this year 8.14%. While I sympathize with those with “Pre-existing Conditions”, Obamacare merely makes me and millions of others pay for those folks insurance. This isn’t a Communist country and Socialism isn’t the answer to that plight.

    What people want is “gift” from the Insurance Companies or the Federal Government to agree to pay for their needs for the six months they aren’t eligible for coverage. I set my own priorities when I began my career and one of them was to have healthcare. I made the sacrifice to have it. I don’t appreciate my healthcare being more expensive and diminished as it is now to benefit those who didn’t see fit to provide themselves with healthcare throughout their lives.

    • 45caliber

      I agree with you. One reason the insurance companies have the waiting period is that many people with pre-existing conditions would jump on an insurance program, rush to the hospital for care, and then drop it again. Their cost would be a few hundred dollars at most; the insurance company would be paying out thousands. No group, even the government, can operate that way without going bankrupt.

      • Vigilant

        And that’s just what the government is planning to do to the insurance companies. Place entirely unreasonable financial demands on them, bankrupt them and force everyone into a single-payer system.

        Anyone who lauded the HC bill because “at least it didn’t force a single-payer system upon us” is whistling through the graveyard.

      • ValDM

        What you’ve described is just what is happening with the Mass. health care (that was the model for Obamacare). People wait until they NEED some form of care before they buy. otherwise they’re not covered.

      • Robert Smith

        45 says: “No group, even the government, can operate that way without going bankrupt.”

        So in your eyes it’s OK for them to die.

        Rather than letting YOU or an insurance company executive judge who lives and dies I think universal health care is better.

        Rob

    • Karolyn

      I thank God I have never had to waste money on health insurance. I haven’t had it for over 20 years. All those years of paying in would have been wasted dollars, as I have kept myself pretty healthy.

      • Christin

        Karolyn,
        I wish I had not paid for health INSURANCE for all these years. We needed it when my boys were born and when they were growing up and getting sick alot. They are doing pretty well at ages 9 and 11 now.

        Many times we considered dropping it, but then my spouse would take a deep sigh and say wonder if something awful were to happen to one of us (cancer, car wreck…) and he would make a late payment???

        I thank God He kept His hand on us with pretty good health and no catastrophic injuries or ailments.

    • Robert Smith

      John Wayne says: “This isn’t a Communist country and Socialism isn’t the answer to that plight.”

      Yea, that’s right. Let ‘em die. Who cares? You get to keep your money, John.

      How christian of you.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        How do you know if he’s Christian? Knock off the nonsense or God will send you to the hot place. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          He doesn’t have to be christian to act like one.

          Selfish greed has people dead in the pay or die medical system in America. How does it feel supporting a system comperable to wht Castro does while all other industrialized countries really cares for its people while spending way less than we do?

          Rob

      • http://naver sook young

        Sorry Robert, but John Wayne didn’t say anything about Christianity. I think people like you need to leave this country and let those who truely love it stay here and get it beack on the right track. I may not have been born here, Robert, but it seems that I love America more than you do. Thank You.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • Robert Smith

          sook young claims: ” I may not have been born here, Robert, but it seems that I love America more than you do”

          Realy!

          I think you love the political environment where you can express your unabashed GREED and get away with it.

          Remember, you let ‘em die rather than spend any of your money. I consider your kind of christian to be murders compared to what Jesus would have done. Remember, he fed the masses fishes and wine. Where did that come from if there is no free lunch?

          Rob

  • 45caliber

    There are several British papers I periodically scan. Many can be accessed through wnd.com. And I don’t believe I’ve seen a single one that hasn’t had a story about problems with their government-run health system. Just yesterday there was a story about a 15 year old girl dying from swine flu because their health system wouldn’t allow her to get a flu shot – even though her mother offered to pay for it herself. It seems that she wasn’t on the critical list for shots.

    I’ve seen many stories of ill people who can’t get care, of people dying because they are being forced to wait, of mis-diagnosis, of poor care in hospitals, etc. We don’t need that here.

    • Karolyn

      It does happen here.

    • Robert Smith

      45 with his anecdotal opinion piece says: “We don’t need that here.”

      But according to longevity studies and infant mortality numbers the other industrialized countries that have universal health care do way better than we do. We are just about equal to Castro.

      BTW, we DO have medical horror stories in America. Has your church had to raise money for some kid’s transplant because their insurance (if they have it) doesn’t cover it?

      Rob

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    My insurance premiums shot up already. I can’t imagine what they will go to once all this kicks in. I hope we all stay healthy because I can’t afford not to be!

    • Robert Smith

      Let’s see Robin, your premiums kicked in BEFORE the Obama care? What kind of car does your insurance agent drive?

      Do you realize that if we had universal health care there would be no agents? All the money they take for taking yours could go into care.

      Rob

      • libertytrain

        Do you realize that if there are not agents, then there definitely is going to be an overabundance of new government “healthcare administrator type” workers that will suck the well dry.

        • http://naver sook young

          You go girl! I work in the healthcare system and I really don’t see how this system that will raise premiums and deny life saving operations, medications (Avastin), and other things be a good and free thing. Robert, my diagnosis of you from before is still true till now. You are in dire need of seeing a doctor at your local Center for Behavioral Medicine. Check in for a long stay. Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            Fortunately sook you are not a doctor but a political extremist. I’d hate to see the America that would be if you were in power. You make a claim, someone goes to a political hospital for rehab. You make a claim and they go to jail.

            That’s NOT an America and it’s not christian.

            Rob

  • Teresa

    It is sad we come to this again…this is not a question of what the employer should pay or the premiums are or if your a democrat or republican. Americans that will give up their right to the government in an unconstitutionally passed bill is just wrong! Do I wish everyone had insurance..yes…do I think it is right that the government enforce it by law or tax only certain people for it..NO! Those of you that agree that this bill is right have CHOSEN to give up your rights! And that is what this is all about!

    • maggiemoo

      Well, Teresa, I personally choose NOT buy into health insurance and I pay out of pocket for what few medical procedures I require. Even if I could afford the monthly premiums, I would still choose not to participate in a system that I believe is a scam. I would rather make monthly payments directly to the doctor/ hospital than to a bureaucracy. I really don’t know what I’ll do if the mandate to purchase is not repealed. I guess I’ll just join the millions of Americans “in the poor house.”

      • hflashman

        In other words Maggie…if you had an emergency which costs ten thousand in E room expenses (not an unusual Emergency visit amount) you’d stick us with the bill …

        I’d rather you pay for a policy instead of relying on everyone else to shoulder your irresponsible actions.

        • thinking

          Hflash, what makes you think she is illegal or poor? Just cause that is what they do now? She pays her bills now but 75% of babies born at Parkland hospital in Dallas are from illegal mothers. Maybe what we need is insurance program for illegals who come to this county for free medical, but then obamacare is for US citizens and we pickup the tab for anyone that comes to America. Good thinking. By the way I pay into parkland but it is a tax that is levied on me for being a property owner. I wonder if Obama could change it to where the rich pay this tax only, that would be fair!

        • Teresa

          in other words flash….you think its fair that only the taxpayers pay for all the illegals and non-taxpayers to keep riding off US in a bill that was forced down our throats, which IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL? So, it’s all about “their” rights over OUR rights???????

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Teresa,

            You say: “So, it’s all about “their” rights over OUR rights???????”

            They die, you keep your money.

            Wow! Right to life sure is a lie.

            How christian of you.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Right to life deals with abortion, moron. Knock the dumb stuff off and that’s an order, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver sook young

            Robert, please read the Commerce Clause of the Constitution before answering anyone on this program. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            Awww samurai and sook…

            You agree with Teresa! Well, actually no surprise there.

            You say: “So, it’s all about “their” rights over OUR rights???????”

            They die, you keep your money.

            Wow! Right to life sure is a lie.

            Look at the words: “Right” “to” “Life”

            What does it say about abortion? BTW, I’ve always understood that you are willing to bring a baaaaaaybbbbbbbeeeee into the world and then forget about it if you have to pay for health care for it. As long as you can set it up so it doesn’t take from you, just the woman who “sinned” by having had sex you are OK with it. After all, it doesn’t cost you anything.

            Rob

            How christian of you.

        • Karolyn

          Flash – A $10,000 hospital bill could be whittled down to, say, $2,000 (or less) and paid off monthly. Hospitals negotiate with insurance companies and individuals. People who don’t know that they can negotiate get stuck. A friend of mine had a hernia operation, and I believe the bill was $9,000. Since he was paying on his own, the hospital cut the bill way down. I wish I could remember how much. Had he not known about negotiating, he would still be paying off that $9,000. There are doctors’ offices operating in much the same way by offering a sliding scale to those who don’t have insurance. That’s the only way I can afford to see a doctor (which I don’t do very often).

          • American Citizen

            Just wait until you get cancer. I thank God we had health insurance when I was diagnosed. We could never have afforded to pay all the costs. I am back in treatment, on Medicare now and a supplement for which we each pay a premium. I was in remission for 10 years or more, and then the cancer returned. Once you have it, you are never really finished with it as you have to keep having tests to make sure it hasn’t returned.

    • INJanice

      Completely agree with you Teresa. In the past the constitution was amended, now our leaders simply ignore the parts that are not convenient to their agenda. DavidL apparently also thinks we should just ignore anti-trust law and allow the government to have a monopoly on an entire industry.

  • Charles

    Sadly this White House and the left break my heart. What would have been wrong with taking the reworking of this health care process in small steps. Also the rude slip of the tongue-heart that the vice president made at the signing lowered my respect even futher for what was trying to be done. How I hope America will not go down. Thank you.

  • DavidL

    We need to dramatically reduce our health care costs and improve our health care. Here is what many doctors are saying and what they propose:

    http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-resources

    “The U.S. spends twice as much as other industrialized nations on health care, $8,160 per capita. Yet our system performs poorly in comparison and still leaves 50.7 million without health coverage and millions more inadequately covered.

    This is because private insurance bureaucracy and paperwork consume one-third (31 percent) of every health care dollar. Streamlining payment through a single nonprofit payer would save more than $400 billion per year, enough to provide comprehensive, high-quality coverage for all Americans.
    Single-payer national health insurance is a system in which a single public or quasi-public agency organizes health financing, but delivery of care remains largely private.

    Currently, the U.S. health care system is outrageously expensive, yet inadequate. Despite spending more than twice as much as the rest of the industrialized nations ($8,160 per capita), the United States performs poorly in comparison on major health indicators such as life expectancy, infant mortality and immunization rates. Moreover, the other advanced nations provide comprehensive coverage to their entire populations, while the U.S. leaves 46.3 million completely uninsured and millions more inadequately covered.
    Health Profits Cartoon

    The reason we spend more and get less than the rest of the world is because we have a patchwork system of for-profit payers. Private insurers necessarily waste health dollars on things that have nothing to do with care: overhead, underwriting, billing, sales and marketing departments as well as huge profits and exorbitant executive pay. Doctors and hospitals must maintain costly administrative staffs to deal with the bureaucracy. Combined, this needless administration consumes one-third (31 percent) of Americans’ health dollars.

    Single-payer financing is the only way to recapture this wasted money. The potential savings on paperwork, more than $350 billion per year, are enough to provide comprehensive coverage to everyone without paying any more than we already do.

    Under a single-payer system, all Americans would be covered for all medically necessary services, including: doctor, hospital, preventive, long-term care, mental health, reproductive health care, dental, vision, prescription drug and medical supply costs. Patients would regain free choice of doctor and hospital, and doctors would regain autonomy over patient care.

    Physicians would be paid fee-for-service according to a negotiated formulary or receive salary from a hospital or nonprofit HMO / group practice. Hospitals would receive a global budget for operating expenses. Health facilities and expensive equipment purchases would be managed by regional health planning boards.

    A single-payer system would be financed by eliminating private insurers and recapturing their administrative waste. Modest new taxes would replace premiums and out-of-pocket payments currently paid by individuals and business. Costs would be controlled through negotiated fees, global budgeting and bulk purchasing.”

    • meteorlady

      So you would trust the very same government that has screwed up Medicare, VA and Medicaid, along with CHIPS and all the other patchwork health care entitlements?

      WOW, that’s faith. Post office – failing; Medicare – bankrupt; SS – bankrupt from government theft to pay for Medicare and other entitlements; Department of Energy – has never even come close to getting us off foreign oil… Department of Education – has created a educational crisis in this country that will take years to recover from; then add in Social and Health services and the cost of running all these giant useless and wasteful bureaucracies and what’s left? I could give more examples – such as the Pentagon unable to account for 2.3 TRILLION dollars just before 9/11…. funny how the area in the Pentagon where the “airplane” crashed was exactly where the accounting staff and the computers lived.

      You go right ahead and trust your government, I don’t and never will until we get rid of both parties and are able to elect people without hand picked puppets being presented to us.

      • Teresa

        Yep, some really and truly believe that WE are placed here to work for the government….mind-boggling isn’t it. Wonders never seize.

        • Robert Smith

          Yep, just let ‘em die.

          Rob

      • hflashman

        Meteorlady …. go ahead and tell someone on Medicaid/Medicare and VA bennies that you want to cut out their benefits and that those programs should be trashed as they are a boondoggle and waste. Hope you have health insurance because after you get beaten up, you’ll need it.

        • ValDM

          Flashy,
          You must not have been listening when your hero the Big 0 claimed that much of the Health Care Reform would be funded by cuts to medicare, VA, and SS. At my age, I’m not willing to take cuts that I’ve paid for ALL of my life to pay for some snot-nosed baby-breeder to spit ‘em out as fast as she can. Nor am I willing to pay for health care for a Muslim (exempted) that considers paying for health care in advance gambling.

          • Robert Smith

            With universal health care all those programs would be folded into one.

            Wouldn’t it be nice to go to your local hospital rather than travel to a VA hospital?

            Wouldn’t it be nice to have a doctor down the street rather than travel to a VA?

            Wouldn’t it be nice to not have all the paperwork? You wouldn’t it be nice to simply get that tinnitus treated rather than have to argue that it was the carried deck work rather than a loud lawnmower? Either way it gets treated without an argument.

            Rob

    • Rich

      DavidL you need to do a little research of your “facts”. The health insurance industry has had accounting firms watching their numbers for years and none of their reports place admin costs anywhere near 31%. The last 09 numbers showed about 86% of group business going to medical care and around 80% of individual. There may be some small insurer that had a 31% number, but not the industry as a whole. Now look at where that 14% goes. Unlike government accounting which only categorizes claims handling as an administrative expense, an insurance company has to include claims, advertising, fraud prevention and loss, buildings, computers, state premium taxes – yes, that revenue source for the states goes away for all people covered by the Fed – salaries of all the people that run the ship, all customer service provided by both company and brokers and every other expense all the way to the janitor. A quick side note on the brokers -the Insurance Commisioner of Kansas testified last fall that less than 5% of all insurance problems ever get to the state level because they are solved by brokers.
      I don’t have time to go over all the errors in your rant, but you should check out the list of services you state are covered. It will vary from country to country, but your wish list isn’t covered anywhere on this planet. You also should include information about wait times for elective and non emergency procedures. Did you know that the goal in Canada was to have MRIs done within 270 days for low priority imaging?
      A few things that make us different from the rest of the health care world – we are the only industrialized country that allows drug companies to advertise. Do a little research and look at what happens to drugs costs and the amount spent on them back in 1995-6 when the advertising started. We also are alone with attorneys advertising and the use of fee for service billing. We report all live births no matter how premature. We have a very high homicide and traffic fatality rate which are major factors in our lifespan. Now let’s consider obesity. Do you think that 30% of America being obese has anything to do with our numbers when you start reporting hypertension, cardiac illnesses, knee and hip replacements and, oh yeah, life span?
      Just a couple more points – the CMS brags about their efficiency in claims processing. Who do you think they contract to handle it? The Fed has the biggest health insurance system in America. Who handles it? Medicare Part D and C are the only parts of Medicare running at or under budget. Who handles those? Germany and New Zealand are considered the two most efficient health care systems in the world. Who administers their systems. If you said insurance companies you scored a 100% on the test. The US government doesn’t have anything that they do better that the private sector. They even admit it. When an application for Medicare Part D is written it must be received by CMS within five days. There are several allowable ways to accomplish this, but there is one that is specifically banned from use – the US Postal Service regular mail. Even they know it doesn’t deliver on time.

    • Robert Smith

      Hi David,

      ““The U.S. spends twice as much as other industrialized nations on health care, $8,160 per capita. Yet our system performs poorly in comparison and still leaves 50.7 million without health coverage and millions more inadequately covered.”

      Cuba does a better job for far less.

      Rob

  • 2WarAbnVet

    I received word last week that my health insurance premiums will increase over 25%. Thanks, Obama!

    • http://margiecocco@comcast.net margie cBAMACARE???utaia

      LET US SPEAK UP AND STOP OBAMACARE – IT WILL RUIN US
      WHY SHOULD SOME COMPANIES (UNION) BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF
      Obamacare????? why not fight this -not fair to the rest
      of us!

    • meteorlady

      That’s right – my personal health care and that for my family is going up 9% and my employee sponsored health care is going up 17%. Yes, please, thanks Obama.

    • hflashman

      Seeing as the program just6 kicked in…and expenses/costs/savings haven’t been calculated….it’s a bit wacko to say the increases wre caused by the Heath Care reform. Perhaps you’d like to explain why they went up just as much the year before? And the year before that? And the year before that?

      • Teresa

        flash, our HR dept. was notified of our 1099 forms last yr. as to how to prepare ea. employees avg. salary earnings and deductions of insurance. Our specific company raised their premiums 11% due to obamacare plan, which started THIS YR. Obviously you do not know much about the increase if you are not paying attention to this. Use common sense here…if you add how many million people to a plan, cover people w/pre-existing conditions, keep children on till they are 26…and you honestly believe our cost are going to go down…..geezzeee…..what ever space ship you are on…..plezzzzeeee land quick cause it’s leavin some fumes for Gore to start whinning about global warming again.

        • Robert Smith

          1099 is for a contractor and no deductions are made.

          Sheesh, the ignorance around here is astounding.

          Rob

      • INJanice

        A likely contributor to the increase last year was the market. The premiums that are collected and not paid out or reserved for claims or used for expenses are invested. Less earnings on investments can translate to higher premiums for any kind of insurance. Don’t know about you, but my 401k statements didn’t look too great last year!

    • Robert Smith

      2 claims: “I received word last week that my health insurance premiums will increase over 25%. Thanks, Obama!”

      Are you sure it isn’t the insurance companies cheating America and blaming Obama?

      There are plenty around here who would allow that because insurance is “business” and according to them no matter how much they steal they are good for America.

      Think about it.

      Rob

      • http://naver sook young

        That’s OK Robert, because you liberals steal more from us than the insurance companies ever thought about. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • Robert Smith

          Oh look! There is sook young supporting Pay or Die again.

          Rob

      • INJanice

        The premium rates insurance companies charge must be approved in the state they are doing business, so if there is cheating then there is also collusion on the part of the state government.

        Think about it.

  • Charlie

    Of course it will! Obama’s Health care package will cost over a trillion.. and giving health care to 32 000 imigrants will put you as a tax paying citizen in back of the line and hr or so waiting for appt at DR office And now he is thinking our 401 K and IRA should be Gov bonds out of our control?????? He appears to be working with Rep but you can bet he still has his control He has put us in to such great deficit only to reflect how poorly he manages. We the people he could care less for, he has His priorites…… Just stop spending …..bottom line

  • http://com i41

    Charlie, do we really know how many illegal aliens are in the USA? It went from 13 million to 20 million, it is more like 60 million. When the socialist soros democrats want the illegal to only pay $2000 dollars, hell no. Every illegal should have to pay at least $30,000 a year for as long as the criminals have been in the states. Plus the have the with holding be doubled at least 2 1/2 time what is required for citizens now. Every illegal cos the nation that much, with just SS and medicaid coverage they get. When ending Onumnutts healthcare, also dispose of the banking reform bill at the same time. There will be 10-30 unemployment until local banks are able to make loans not the agency wonks who impede job creation. As for preexisting conditions, I have never heard or experienced any problems being a diabetic for 40 years, just more b–l s–t from the Soros Socialist Party idoits.

  • Hubertp

    About those countries with lower medical costs: in many of them the doctors do not make a lot of money. In fact, in some, they don’t make much more than the auto mechanic down the street. Think! Why do so many doctors from other countries want to come here to practice medicine!

    On another front, if health care was so great in those other countries, why are so many of their people, who can afford the transportation, coming here for their major medical treatments.

    • Karolyn

      On the flip-side of that coin, Hubert, there are a lot of people that travel to other countries for major medical treatments that are not approved here. European countries do not put treatments through as much testing as the US and are way ahead in many departments because our government is so busy “protecting” us.

    • Robert Smith

      Hubertp, I DO NOT want a doctor who is in medicine for GREED. He’s just gonna look for a cheaper way at the cost of my health.

      BTW, we send out folks like “Doctors without Borders” Check out: http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/

      Rob

  • Bill

    If Obama gets his way we are headed toward total reliance on the federal government. Except for the rich people (however that is defined) we will all end up on some kind of welfare. Just look at the people he has associated with in the past. Bill Ayers! What kind of person would associate himself with the likes of Ayers? It is as plain as the nose on your face. None of the things he is pushing will apply to him or his family. There is a lot of rage there.

    • Robert Smith

      It wasn’t an “association”. It was a meeting.

      Now, let’s take a look at how Bush let the Obama family go home without any concern on his part. Let’s look at the cozy reltionship of Chaney an the Saudies.

      Those are REAL issues that could easily be considered treasnous.

      Rob

  • Raggs

    Well.. obammma has bads intentions called a good deal.
    typical arrogant POS that needs a butt F-K-ing.

    • Robert Smith

      Wow! Someone who doesn’t do well with English on the extreme right.

      Are you legal?

      Rob

  • Ellen

    Massachusetts institued universal health care and it is bankrupting them. For some reason, Dems can’t see that and proceeded with Obamacare. Most European nations are in major debt due to social services promised to everyone and now they are cutting those services out of necessity. For example, Britain provided a free university education to all and is now charging students approx. $14k per year. When we can easily see that socialism is bankrupting Europe and major changes are being made by those countries, why are we proceeding with socialist programs here? We already know what the outcome will be. Further, our own social programs are bankrupting America yet the Dems are still proceeding with more. Soc. Sec. & Medicare should be self-supporting since we pay into them our entire lives. Medicaid/Welfare need major overhauling, as both are abused. The most frightening statistic facing our country is that 40% of all babies born each year are born into Medicaid/poverty. This is completely preventable. Who will be funding our government in 30 years when these children are America’s workers/taxpayers? We all know the statistics on children born into poverty.

    • Robert Smith

      From Ellen: “The most frightening statistic facing our country is that 40% of all babies born each year are born into Medicaid/poverty. This is completely preventable”

      And once they are born the right won’t take care of them.

      BTW, the solution is that age appropriate sex education should be in our schools. Obviously parents who want to opt thier kids out should be able to but they should also be held responsible for educating their kids.

      BTW, how’s ’bout that abstinence thing. Sure worked for Sarah’s kid.

      Rob

  • http://com i41

    For the Soros Socialist Suckbutts who think Canadia has a wonderful healthcare system. Apparently wouldn’t mind handing over 56 cents of every dollar earned for healthcare, orthat if you are close to 65 you can go the a sick waiting location to wait until a doctor can fit you in on his mandatory only 8 hour shift. Why do you fricking idoits think all the Canadian doctors come to Minn and the Dakotas to work in the hospitals? There is not any hour restrictions and we have better meds and give better care, as well as they casn earn some more money by working longer. Facts coming from relatives that operate and work with Canadian doctors. Also Canadian friends that have come through have been able to get medicine and see a doctor in an emergancy. Some thing that cann’t be done unless you a a jock strap hanger, Sat and Sun are free time for doctors. As for Karo;yn crap about the Eu, yes and what s–t bird idoits caused all the 25-40 testing requirements, the Socialist Soros Dumbocrap party idoits. Eu governemnt healthcare hospitals are so damn dirty and cleaned so poorly neighbors with relatives come to Wyo to get anysurgrey done, because they know our hospitals andoffices are cleans and you might actually not catck some other dreaded disease or die. Again flushman, normie, and Karolyn should get off the Onumnnutt lemonade drinking fountain, because it is pure piss you idoits are injesting from that spigot. Between Onumnutts and all dumbocraps they have never had any good intentions, only intentions of destroying the USA and creating a dictator totalitarian government run country. The lame butt congressional meet proved that.

    • Robert Smith

      i41 says: “For the Soros Socialist Suckbutts who think Canadia has a wonderful healthcare system. Apparently wouldn’t mind handing over 56 cents of every dollar earned for healthcare, ”

      Absolutely false. The Canadian percentage for health care is less than America currently pays. And their care is way better. Remember, we are comperable to Cuba.

      Rob

      • INJanice

        Hi Robert! Can you clarify your information on Cuba for me? On January 6 you stated “Cuba does a better job for far less.” On January 9 you stated “Remember, we are comperable to Cuba.” I really have no knowledge of the health care system in Cuba, and I’m curious to learn more. BTW, I believe the word you were looking for is comparable. Thanks so much!

  • Charles

    There is one reason healthcare is bankrupting everyone – government. If left alone, cost of medical proceedures and overhead would have been controlled by market forces, but when you are spending other people’s money, cost is never a factor.

    Medical care was quite affordable until government decided to improve the system by mandating others give their labor and innovation away for free.

    When my condition reaches the point I cannot afford to spend any more, I shall not ask someone else to force you to pay for my misfortune.

    • Robert Smith

      Yup, that old pay or die system. Looks like you are personally committed to it.

      BTW… Might you want a gentle way out when the pain gets bad? Can’t do that because the right won’t let you.

      Suffer, suffer, suffer…

      Rob

  • INJanice

    Here’s some ideas I have for health care reform. First and foremost, repeal Obamacare. Make all health care expenditures fully tax deductible. Allow everyone, even those without a policy, to have a Health Spending Account (HSA). Make the annual HSA contribution limit higher, maybe the same as the 401k limit and catch up amount. Allow insurance premiums to be paid from the HSA account at any age, not just 65 and older. Allow parents to create and fund an HSA account for their children up to age 26 (Obama should like that age!).

    These actions would encourage pre-funding of future medical expenses (much like we do for retirement) and would alleviate the pre-existing risk. With the same tax benefits more people would chose individual policies which you can keep when you change or lose your job. For those that stay with an employer provided plan or switch individual plans, the HSA fund can get you through the elimination period. The HSA fund will also allow more people to have higher deductibles and therefore lower premiums.

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