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Three Dragons Battle a Mouse Over Value of Money

July 24, 2009 by  

Three Dragons Battle a Mouse Over Value of Money

In the scorching Nevada heat a battle is taking place that pits, essentially, three enormous dragons against a mouse. It’s the case of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) vs. Robert Kahre, and its outcome could have an enormous impact on our nation’s money, particularly if the economy collapses and hyperinflation sets in as we expect.

But Kahre isn’t just facing the IRS. His antagonists include the Federal Reserve and U.S. Justice Department. All three entities have ever-full money sacks, giving Kahre long odds of success indeed.

We mentioned Kahre July 7 in an article about the Justice Department’s attempts to gather information on people posting comments on the Las Vegas Review-Journal website about the case. So this case is about both freedom of speech in the U.S. as well as monetary policy. But since we dealt with the freedom of speech issue last time, we’ll deal with the monetary policy now.

Kahre, a contractor, is one of four people charged in a 57-count indictment of fraud and conspiracy. What he did was expose the Fed for the fraud it is. So now he’s fighting the three behemoths, the IRS, the Fed and U.S. Justice Department.

According to the government’s case, Kahre and others concocted a fraudulent cash payroll “scheme” and then peddled it to other Las Vegan contractors. What was Kahre’s “scheme?”

He paid his subcontractors in gold and silver coins. Then, using the face value stamped on the coins, determined their payments didn’t pass the threshold for reporting to the IRS.

Appearing on a screen in the courtroom during the government’s opening trial arguments were the words, “This is a case about money, greed and fraud.” Truer words couldn’t have been spoken, and the fact that a government lawyer was uttering them is truly ironic.

For the money, greed and fraud angle falls on the heads of the three dragons. The money Kahre used to pay his subcontractors is stamped by the money creators as legal tender, with dollar denominations stating their value. The fact that their face value represents amounts far less than their actual value is evidence of the fraud the government has perpetuated on its people.

Just as junk silver coins printed prior to 1965 are worth more for their metal content than their printed face values, the gold and silver in U.S. Mint legal tender coins are too. And the reason this has occurred lies with the non-constitutional entity called the Fed, which prints fiat money backed by nothing. This has devalued our nation’s currency.

In Kahre’s defense, lawyers argue that the workers agreed to be independent contractors so he did not have to withhold taxes for them. His six businesses are in the trades of painting, drywall, tiling, plumbing, heating, cooling and electrical work. It is not at all unusual to pay this type of employee as a subcontractor without withholding taxes and sending the IRS and subcontractor IRS Form 1099 at tax time if the payment threshold is met.

By claiming the payments on the face value of the coins, that threshold was never met. So the IRS got irritated because no taxes were owed.

In essence, Kahre manipulated the government’s own laws to his and his contractors’ advantage and the big government boys and girls at Justice and IRS, and the thugs at the Fed didn’t appreciate Kahre’s imagination.

So they came down on him and his friends hard. And to put another kicker on it, it’s Kahre’s second trial on essentially the same charges. The first, last fall, ended without a conviction, so Justice lawyers dropped a few defendants, added one, and reworked their charges. Not a true case of double jeopardy, as he wasn’t acquitted the first time. But the big government boys and girls are so unhappy with him they’re taking a second shot.

When hyperinflation hits, the economy collapses and gold and silver coins are used for payments and trade, how will we be taxed? The face value of the coin? The coin’s value in dollars? Will there even be a government left to tax us? These are questions we’ll be dealing with in a few years.

And one other thing: a curious aspect of this trial is the lack of interest shown it by the media. Nothing reported in the mainstream media, and not much even from local media—just the original story and another that ran July 5 without actually covering details of the trial.

Perhaps the media is afraid big government boys and girls will target them once they’re finished feeding on the little mouse appetizer.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Mtmtman

    You can bet the 3 dragons will try to pack the jury this time around. This should be an open and shut case–”Not Guilty” and “Pay the defendents 10 Million each for harrasment and emotional trauma”. “Oh, and by the way, the money has to be paid by the gov’t employees and Federal Reserve employees who participated in this outrageous law suit.” “If they cannot come up with the 450 Million or so then a lien will be placed on their personal property including pensions and future income until the judgement is satisfied” Bob would I like to be a juror on this case!

    • http://google fogey60

      make sure the payment is paid in silver at printed face value per the Constitution not the feds worthless paper

  • http://tompetrie.net Tom

    Unbelievable story! I hope Mr. Kahre wins his case!

    By the way, what’s the big deal about Al Franken winning his MN Senator seat? He won fair and square, so I’m not sure why your column was, recently, so negative about his win. So he’s a liberal and you’re a conservative? That should make no difference in the fact that it appears Mr. Coleman was the litigious one. Franken appeared dignified during the whole event.

    Anyway, I enjoy reading your column just the same and admire the perspicacity of most of your writing.

    • George

      You must be kidding. Evedently you did’t follow the race and consider the manor in which the votes were counted and the illegal votes that were counted. They did the same thing in Washington State in a race between Christine Greguiare and Dino Rossi. As for Al, remember he is an actor and he can put on a good face when required, his true nature will surface, he can’t help it, the guy is just a nasty individual.
      G.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Al can appear that way, when he knows the forces are in place for him to screw the other guy and get the win, and he knew it was coming. Mr. Coleman knew he was getting the screws put to him, and was trying to fight to get what is right, to be right. I would be litigious if I were in his shoes also. The dems have been fixing elections for a long time, at least since Kennedy got elected by dead people in Chicago in 1960.

        • Tom B

          Since when was it legal for congress to vote who our President is suppose to be, O’ya that’s how Bush became president. And what did he do that was any good for this nation while he was in office?

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          To Tom B. – Gladly I will educate you as to what good he did. Lets see, first of all, more Americans had jobs at one time than under any president ever int the history of this country. Secondly, unemployement was at the lowest it has ever been in the history of this country. Thirdly, he set free a nation of millions, in a place where it was said it couldnt be done. Fourthly, he has taken the fight to the enemy, and we have been save not only for his terms, but for at least 4 more years of this guys current term. You see, it take them awhile to get things set up, like it did while Clinton slept for 8 years at the helm. Bush set in place the precautions that we will be save for at at least another 4 years, with with the current admin asleep at the wheel again, we are gonna get hit again during the next admin, which will undoubtedly be a Republican and you guys can point you finger and say how it happened on a republicans watch, even though we all know that isnt how its work. 9-11 was all set up and and put into order under Clinton, we all know that. So, you see, Bush has done great things. What’s Obama done so far? Lets check the record – spent more in 8 months that the previous admin did in 8 years, including paying for 9-11, Hurrican Katriana and the war. He gave billions of our hard earned tax dollars to GM and the UAW. He has apologized to all of our enemies for all of our ancestors hard work making us a successful country. You want to talk about a bastard, look no farther than this current guy. Thank you for letting me set the record straight with the truth. It will set you free.

    • MN

      I am still surprised that we have a joke senator named Al Franken, but it should not surprise me as Coleman is also liberal. I will never forget the negative ads that showed Al saying “I #$%&! Hate Those Right Wing Mother $%^$@”. He is a disgrace. I find it amazing that Coleman was ahead by over 700 votes after the election, but ended up loosing by over 200 votes. It appears another election was stolen.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJUxtfSdaX0

  • Doc Dolan

    Kahre might well win his case on the legal front and under the current law. But i know from first hand experience that the Judge in a case CAN reverse a juries verdict if he or she feels the jury has come to ‘an incorrect application of law and facts of the case’. How hard do you think it would be for a Judge to be influenced by the 3 Dragons (I like the anolgy by the way) to do just that and not only convict Kahre, but remove any sanctions placed upon the dragons. And then after an ‘appropirate amount of time’ the Judge gets appointed to a higher position in thanks for being a good comrade. Hmmmmm

    • Vermonster

      Even dragons can be slayed!.

    • DaveH

      Doc,
      This is from answers.yahoo.com:
      Judges throw out guilty verdicts; they never overrule a jury acquittal. The law varies from to state, but generally a judge throws out guilty verdicts for one of 2 reasons:
      1) A jury returns a verdict when there was not enough evidence to find the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt; or
      2) A mistake or wrongdoing by a participant taints the trial (mistrial).

  • Ray

    We all know what will happen. He will go to jail. The goverment will keep on keeping on until we have a sudden complete collaspe of the dollar. That will happen as soon as the rest of the world figures out how to uncouple from the dollar with the least damage to them as possible. The goverment is out of control with money, they refuse to listen to reason. Most of the American people have their head in the sand. We have pretty much destroyed ourself. We have become amoral, pleasure seeking and gready and the world now relizes it. My guess is China, as they seem to care about honor and truth.

    • http://fcernhart@yahoo.com Marian to Ray

      Hi Ray,

      I agree with what you say all but your assessment of China.

      Their history ( I have studied under a Chinese Prof) shows no
      more “honor and truth” than the average American and that’s
      the truth!

    • FRW

      I agree with you. He will be punished, bc the 3 Crazed Dragons want set an example for others: do not f with the government!* He will go to jail EVEN if he is 100% innocent. For the Evil Empire (aka.: US gov’t) there’s no such thing as an innocent civilian!

  • Mike

    Dear Bob:
    About 3 dragons & the mouse….concerning the lack of media coverage: perhaps you should consider that the media is controlled by the same people who control our banking system, & therefore our government. They’re called the International Bankers! Since the 1700′s, they’ve played governments against each other. They’ve also played our government against its citizens! It doesn’t surprise me at all what’s going on here. They’ve wanted to destroy our Christian country, & control it & the world. Why? Because they are ALL from Jewish/German descent! Check out who actually runs our so-called Federal Reserve system. Nine & 1/2 of the 10 of them are from that same descent! The only 1/2 that Isn’t? The J.P. Morgan family.

  • Constantine

    Anyone with any sense knows the Federal Reserve is one of the greatest frauds ever perpetuated on any people anywhere in the world. The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 should be abolished – plain and simple. If we can in no means whatsoever get rid of the Fed legally then we need to wage war on it. We can do this by doing things like what Mr. Kahre is doing.

    ANYONE TRUE AMERICAN LISTENING: STOP PAYING INCOME TAXES NOW AND START LOCAL BARTERING ECONOMIES USING ANYTHING BUT THE DOLLAR. TELL THE IRS, THE FED AND THE JUSTICE DEPT. WHERE THEY CAN STICK IT.

    IT’S TIME TO WAKE UP AND REALIZE WHAT THEIR FRAUD. THEY ARE CRIMINAL TRAITORS AND I’M ASHAMED THAT THEY EVEN EXIST IN MY COUNTRY.

    Mr. Kahre is a good American!

    • Mike

      People are afraid, and rightly so. They see the highly publicized Wesley Snipes tax evasion trial and see that even he plea-bargained and paid hefty fines. They are reminded of Al Capone, brought down for tax evasion when the FBI couldn’t get any evidence of his smuggling.
      It takes more than one person standing against the government. That one person will get hurt, threatened, jailed, or worst. There must be a good percentage of the popluation acting as one for any changes to take place. Unfortunately, it seems a higher percentage of people everyday are oblivious or have been bought off, from welfare recipients, to bribed public officials (and judges). If you think that the dragons won’t come for you and your family as well you are either crazy or extremely powerful and wealthy. We need to UNITE in this cause.

      “We all must hang together, or we will most assuredly hang separately.”
      -Ben Franklin

      • DaveH

        I agree Mike. A few hundred years ago, our forefathers were willing to risk their lives to gain their freedom. Most of our current population isn’t even willing to invest a few minutes of their lives to research and vote for the candidates who would give us back our freedom. We have gone from a nation of rugged pioneers to a nation of spoiled whining wimps in just a few hundred years.

      • Beau

        I agree with Mike too. We must Unite and yet how? Show me where to sign up and I will. I will not stand silent and let these traitors have a free ride.

        • DaveH

          Beau,
          You are probably aware of this, but just in case you don’t know how to contact your elected officials, use http://www.congress.org . Another site where you can locate them is http://www.gunowners.org (pro-gun site, but they allow you to contact your elected officials on any subject matter). I believe that directly contacting your elected officials is the most effective way to get results, especially by phone if you’re not shy like I am, lol.
          If you are into the Tea Parties, you can locate coming events near you by doing a search on “Tea Party Protests + your-state” or just “Tea Party Protests” if you don’t mind traveling far.

    • Beau

      I agree with Constantie #6 that we have a good American here. This is the kind of thing that makes America great. I have been lamenting the “Home of the Brave and the Land of the Free” for a long time. It seems that nobody is brave or Free anymore. What is that? We have proof by vote of the Obama Presidency that more than half of the nation has no idea what either Bravery or Freedom is. (It is a fact that The Great Deciever has taken office!) As an older Citizen is is clear that we have failed to train our children the difference between right and wrong and have allowed the government to slip into the hands of a new generation that has no moral compass. I am afraid that most will never wake up until about half their number are missing due to the efforts of government to keep us “safe”, and promise to “Change” whatever is wrong. I will even venture that the Government version of “Safe” is when we have surrendered everything we own for the good of “the poor” and given up our lives so that they can take over and appropriate without opposition, anything and everything the government wants.

  • Rick

    I would hope the jurors all understand that they alone wield the power in the courthouse and “jury nullification” and that they may not be coerced from their verdict by threats or intimidation. No matter by whom or where the source of those uttered threats may lay!

    • Average Joe

      Rick ,
      I agreee wholeheartedly.
      For about the last 3-4 years, I have been preaching the value to “we the people” in being involed in the American Juror system.
      Most people do not have a clue about both their right and their duties as a juror.I have a idea!You are online at this very moment (because you are reading this) Search: “The Citizen’s Rule Book”.
      Download a free copy and learn about the ultimate power of the Juror…more powerful than all of the polititians in the world.
      So many people want to duck out of the juror system without realizing how important it is that one single voice of reason can change for the better, the entire future course of America.
      Learn your rights! Learn your responsibilities! Stop the rampant approach of tyranny against this nation’s liberties, freedom’s and creator given right’s. STAND UP…..MAKE A DIFFERENCE!

      • Average Joe

        One thing that I might add, is that when you first bring it up to new individuals, please refrain from using the phrase “jury nullification”. Most people hear the word nullify and automatically assume the the jury is being nullified. At this point they have shut down any possibility that they will in fact actually listen seriously to what you have to say. This is in no way being critical of your comment, you were right on point with your message.If you notice my post above, by trying th empower people to rise up and take back their power, without once saying anything remotely resembling negativity, some of these people will actually read the book (Short, sweet, and to the point) Sometimes it isn;t the message, but rather how the message gets delivered that determines whether people think we might just have a screw loose or that we may really be on to something great and wonderful.Keep preaching to the masses, brother…we need to wake up the sleepers!

      • DaveH

        Good post Average.

    • DaveH

      Rick,
      I think very few people are aware of that. And jurors are routinely admonished by the judge (wrongly) that they are only supposed to base their vote on whether or not the defendant broke the law.

      • Average Joe

        I hear from people all of the time about how this law or that law is wrong. Take Marijuana for instance, 70% of the country thinks the laws need to be changed, yet the “government” says no… we can’t do that. What good does any law do if they can’t get convictions? That is the key to being a juror, all it takes is one not guilty vote to hang the jury. That’s right folks…one lone vote of not guilty.
        People need to get involved, learn what is constitutional, what is morally right and then vote with your conscience, let no one desuade you from your beliefs. If they can’t get convictions, that will have no choice but to change the laws. IS speeding a crime?….who is the injured party if you are pulled over for speeding? Was anyone or anything injured or damaged as a result of speeding, driving without a “drivers licence” etc.? Only when their is a loss…life, property etc. is there a crime. What most people think are laws, are in fact “public policy”, not law. What our governments (city,state, federal) are doing, is making moral decisions for us. Are we not somehow able to make our own choices in life? Ask yourself, “Do I need a babysitter to tell me what is right and wrong?” Again people, please take the time to read the book listed above, you might actually find that you are more powerful than you can possibly imagine. Let’s shut them down the easiest way possible….use the law to our advantage and make a difference.

    • Dragonaughr

      Not many people realize that the Jury is there not only to determine the guilt or innocence of the Defendant but also the CONSTITUTIONALITY OF THE LAW ITSELF!!!

  • Richard

    I am a moral conservative and what he did quite simply equates to tax evasion. Mr Kahre new the real value of the services being provided and knew that he was certainly not paying his employees at face value of his coinage. It’s clear that at some point that he purchased the gold with dollars so he was already aware of it’s real market value. Here’s the rub though… to prove that his employees were indeed Independent contractors to the IRS he would require a contract as such. Mr. Kahre would have had no control over his contractors other than to break their contract if work was not acceptable. So if they truly were independent contractors why did he try to pay their taxes at all… even if it was with gold? It’s clear that he was simply tried to evade paying taxes by using the coins stamped value as opposed the market value of the gold.
    The IRS will indeed win this one as Mr. Kahre is being dishonest and evasion is easy to prove to a judge and jury when it can be demonstrated that the subject is lying. Mr. Kahre is no patriot in my book. The greater and unanswered question is for the Federal Reserve. Just how is the value of minted money taxed once the materials themselves are worth more than the face value? Fast forward a decade or so and you can easily predict that a cashless economy is the only real solution to this abhorrent New World Order which we seem to be ushering in.

    • MOMSRIGHT

      Not sure if you really understood the article: Kahre was making a pay roll to his independant contractors not with holding taxes for them! He paid them a price they agreed upon according to the face value of the gold and silver coins!

      From The article: {In Kahre’s defense, lawyers argue that the workers agreed to be independent contractors so he did not have to withhold taxes for them. His six businesses are in the trades of painting, drywall, tiling, plumbing, heating, cooling and electrical work. It is not at all unusual to pay this type of employee as a subcontractor without withholding taxes and sending the IRS and subcontractor IRS Form 1099 at tax time if the payment threshold is met.

      By claiming the payments on the face value of the coins, that threshold was never met. So the IRS got irritated because no taxes were owed.}

      If you want the reality of it, the fact that those coins are worth more than the face value as they were minted by the government is an indictment of a fraud perpetrted on us by the IRS!………..{And the reason this has occurred lies with the non-constitutional entity called the Fed, which prints fiat money backed by nothing. This has devalued our nation’s currency.}

      I remember being able to buy a loaf of bread for about 25 cents! Now I spend almost $5.00 a loaf! IN Germany when hyper inflation hit in the 30s-40s it took a wheel barrel full of money to buy a loaf of bread! No wonder that country was ripe for the likes of Hitler!……..This is the direction we are headed too and our own government is leading the way!……..If you remember…….The revolutionary war in the 1700s Which gave us our freedom, was fought primarirly over taxation without representation!……The declaration of independance I believe says that when a government becomes oppressive to its people it is the duty of that people to throw off that oppression!………If our generation doesn’t stand up, our children will certainly be enslaved by an overbearing and tyrannical goverment!………Please America read your history and WAKE UP BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!

    • Average Joe

      What you fail to understand is that under Federal Law, The Coins in question can only be exchanged for face value…in other words if you go to the grocery store with a real silver dollar to pay for your purchase, the store does not know what the daily spot price for silver is, so therefore the coin must be taken for face value or one dollar. This is why people are more prone to keep them, to save them, they are worth more as something collectable than they are for their face value. He did not excced the amount in value to have to pay taxes in the first place.

    • DaveH

      Richard,
      And the government isn’t being immoral when they devalue the dollar? Tell that to the people whose savings have lost a large amount of their value to inflation over the years. And there is much more devaluation coming in the pipeline. And what about Franklin Roosevelt who issued an executive order for the citizens to turn in their gold to the government? Was he moral?
      If the Income Tax was truly fair, I would agree with you, but it isn’t anywhere close to fair. First of all, people who work hard and make lots of money would still be paying more money for their share of the government than the rest of us, if they paid the same percentage of their earnings. But they don’t; they pay an even larger percentage of their money to taxes than those in lower earning brackets. And do they get more help from the government for their larger payments? More likely they get more hindrance. At least that’s how it has worked out for me.

  • Guy

    Unless the law has been changed, it is illegal to deface legal tender — To melt down coins for their higher value as metal. If there is hyperinflation they will be called in at either content value or face value. Gold will be the most likely target like during the depression. Bullion coins are a better bet.

    Ray’s comment about China is half right. With half its people having a decent existance and the other half wanting it NOW, proper reforms are coming, and freedoms are growing daily out of necessity to keep the country from flying apart. Lucky to be, I speak Chinese : )

    • Miriam

      Which language you speak? Mandarin or Cantonese, by the way “Jesu Ai Ni”

      • Guy

        I speak Mandarin, and am Buddhist. That being said, I am alarmed at the attack on your faith. These statists attack both our faiths following the religion of forcing their evil beliefs down our throat. Ours is a nation with laws influenced by your faith that protects my right to practice mine.

  • MOMSRIGHT

    IRS just wants the rest of Mr. Kahres Gold coins! The three dragons is an appropiate description of these government monstrosities! We have tried to appease these giants of government by inceasantly feeding their voracious appetite! Creating bigger government! More government programs to take responsibility for things we should have been doing! they have now gone out of control! Their appetites are insatiable! Like a big black hole they are consuming everything in sight! Eventually, they will consume themselves, until our country collapses! Obama, has effectively taken over the banking system, the auto industry, the so called cap and trade tax, and soon health care! Think your taxes are high now! Just wait! They want to even tax us everytime we breathe! Green house gases you know………..Government is robbing the American people of the will to fight as they systematically silence any oposition to their cause! Time to wake up! You may be next! God keep Mr. Kahre!

  • Dennis Speer

    I think Kahre should be found not guilty and be awarded all court costs and emotional distress compensation.
    This could be a precedent setting case but I fear the full weight of the DOJ will be brought to bear on it so any decision is so narrow it applies to no others.
    Can’t imagine the Supreme Court hearing it if it should go that far as they are too concerned with preserving the powers that be, even if it means not following the law and they admittedly never look for justice.

  • http://PERSONALLIBERTYDIGEST LU

    HA HA TO THE BIG BUREAUCRATS, THIS GOES TO SHOW HOW VALUABLE OWNING GOLD & SILVER IS OR ANY TRADABLE ITEMS LIKE LIQUOR , CHOCOLATE , RAZORS AND SO ON

    HOW DO YOU TAX THESE ITEMS

    HA HA HA ON THE DUMB BUREAUCRATS

  • http://Wapitiman Paul De Meo

    Re: 3 Dragons and Mouse.
    It’s long overdue that the government played with a level field. It is my recollection that years after Roosevelt called in all the gold coins in circulation, whenever a safe deposit box was opened as part of an estate, govt. representatives were there to look for gold coins. If any were found, regardless of the intrinsic value, the owner was credited with the face value of the coin(s). So, a coin perhaps worth several hundred dollars was credited as a deposit to the estate account for $20. Now the proverbial shoe is on the other foot. Morally, Richard may have a point. But, we are a nation ruled by law and precedent…not morals. It’s the selfsame complaining government that stamped the value on it’s coinage. What a hoot if the mouse should prevail.

  • kephas

    Is there a constitutional lawyer around? If I’m not mistaken, IRS is operating under UCC, which can violate ones’ constitutional rights (UCC 1-207). If Richard is questioning the moral grounds which Mr. Kahre conducted his business, shouldn’t the moral ethics be first tested on the US gov’t? The Federal Reserve was created to payoff the US gov’t. debt to the banks with our sweat money (taxes). Debt incurred in waging WWI… that’s engineered by the banker-Rothschild. Then they created the IRS to collect money from the people. I know this sound absurd and ridiculous, but if one is to follow the money… (source of funding and profit from war bonds), it all make sense.
    This is a great test of our Freedom and Constitutional solvency, I pray Mr. Kahre win the battle for himself and friends and all of us who believe in our God-given rights.

  • Scott Brown

    If this is a clear cut case of fraud on the part of Kahre, then certainly clear cut cases of fraud on the part of the three dragons can be made, and shown to relate directly to this case. The IRS tax on American citizens has no Constitutional foundation; the Federal Reserve has no Constitutional foundation; in upholding the positions of either, the Justice Department stands upon no Constitutional foundation.

    Has Kahre muddied the differences between fiat money and precious mint coin? Or has this rather been done by the Federal Reserve?

    Is Kahre evading legal taxes? Not unless the IRS can prove that income taxes are legal, and they have yet to do so in their entire history.

    As for the Justice Department, they pissed away any credibility they ever had by entering into the game of politics, to say nothing of currency manipulation and illegal taxation without representation. As with the Federal Reserve Bank (which is demonstrably none of the above), the title Justice Department is a misnomer.

    On another Constitutional topic in the news, is there anyone here from the state of Hawaii? Do they have real birth certificates there that can be verified? Or just official statements to the effect that signed birth certificates exist. For that matter, do they have drivers’ licenses? Or just cards that say the bearer has one on file. Or do they have copies of cards that say there exists a card which indicates the existence of a valid driver’s license. Or what? Surely someone from Hawaii can easily clear up this mystery for us citizens not fortunate enough to have been born in that lovely state.

    • Rich

      Yes, there are Hawaii drivers licenses. Mclovin has one.

  • Terrell H. Yon, Jr.

    I seem to remember a case some years ago where a shipment of gold bullion was stolen at a New York airport. The courts ruled that payment covering the loss be made only at the official price of gold bullion which was $42.00 per ounce. It would seem to me that the government can not have it both ways.

  • DMN

    If the government ever wants to confiscate the public’s Gold & Silver, as they have in the past, they will argue that they only have to reimburse the face value to the person they are taking it from. IF, they offer ANY reimbursement.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      This is true, they make the rules, they break the rules, so they make new rules.

  • eric

    Thanks for the story. This is funny. I hope we get to follow it in the news. If I was the government I’d drop this case. The downside is the collapse of the fed, taxation etc. The upside the IRS collects a few hundred bucks. This is such a novel idea there should be a run on silver dollars. I wish I was paid in silver dollars.

  • http://armandocastro777@yahoo.com EyeCeeUs

    The FED has been draining the value of our money since they began under the guise of Federal. Start a new international currency.

    • DaveH

      Eye Yye Yye,
      We can’t even get along with our spouses much of the time, and you want the whole world to be involved in our lives? Sheesh.

  • Thomas Bendoraitis

    First of all, there is no such entity justifiably concerned about Joe and Jane American to deserve the title of “Gov’t”. There are only bankers and industrialists. Judges are ponds of the cabal insidiously advancing the agenda of the hydra that created fiat money on Jekyll Island at the meeting in 1910 and the FRB in 1913. The most hideous consequences have been suffered by those who challenged the FRB or Wall street. President Lincoln for producing true American currency after the malevolent bankers wanted 36% interest to finance the war effort, President Garfield shot after challenging a totally corrupt NY exchange, President Kennedy shot after trying to disempower the Fed by printing billions in real American people owned bills. The exchange system is anchored in old monarchies and Freemasonry.
    As Amschel Bauer Mayer Rothschild said in 1838: “Let me issue and control a Nation’s money and I care not who makes its laws” and the poet Heinrich Heine, referring to James Rothschild, said: “Money is the god of our times, and Rothschild is his prophet.” Good luck my friend…You’re toast unless the good people of America and the rest of the free world take up your cause before all thinkers are marched off to FEMA camps. In God I Trust!

    • http://fcernhart@yahoo.com Marian to Thoomas Bendoraitis

      Thanks for your VERY informative post! If readers will just
      reference Truthattack .com they will see the REAL motive
      for the death of JFK! He was printing US Notes backed by
      silver which would have run Federal Reserve Notes backed
      by NOTHING out of the market which, of course, the bankers
      couldn’t have! These elites will DO ANYTHING that threatens
      their money/power! He ordered the Sec. of the Treasury to
      print and distribute these US Notes in April of 1963. He was
      shot in the fall of the same year.

      • Thomas Bendoraitis

        Hello Marian…It just feels good that there are people like you out there. Just toying with you but, they are not “elites” any more than Judas is a Saint. They just scare us because we have given them that power via our misguided trust and apathy. Google the Tavistock or Stanford Institute and don’t be afraid to use the seek word conspiracy; some organizations whose sole purpose is to screw us with a smiling face in the perfidious name of safety and terrorism. Thomas Jefferson wrote and I’m paraphrasing since I don’t want to look it up, “When the Gov’t is afraid of the people, that’s freedom; when the people are afraid of the Gov’t, that’s tyranny. You can go on and on…the cabal controls congress and the Whitehouse via Manhattan and… need I say more. The most precious resource America has left is the NRA and the cabal will kill people right and left and centre, hey they took out JFK, to discredit and neuter them; to outlaw the right to bear arms. We are witnessing the castration of democracy. In God I trust

    • JP

      Hear Hear, great post byThomas Bendoraitis!!! all very true, worse times are coming under the Great Obamanation: RFIDs in all Consumer goods tracking us.
      Malware and spyware all over our email and internet, I recently heard about the Govt. making people trying to adopt pets get them microchipped: Govt Cohersion!! soon it will be US: if you don’t get chipped you can’t get access to your bank or get a Driver’s License or etc etc etc…… BEWARE;
      bring in the Barter system: (ammunition is great for bartering by way, and many people are now learning to reload and getting Grandfathered in before Obama and Holder can screw it up) keep up the great posts..and …keep your guns clean!!! “I’d rather die on my feet than live on my knees..” Emiliano Zapata, Mexican freedom fighter, 1910.

  • Wayne

    I know of someone else who has been caught up in the same sort of issue.

    I friend of mine attempted to pay his debts to the State of Wisconsin using gold currency in the same manner.

    Admittedly, my friend had made some earlier procedural errors in attempting to protest not only tax law but what he felt was an onerous child-support judgement by a man-hostile judge. They refused to take the gold payment for his debts saying that “it was not legal tender” – which it certainly is.

    Under Wisconsin law, having made good faith effort to pay his debt with legal tender, the state officials in refusing it had legally voided his debt.

    The judge presiding over the case refused to accept this legally binding state law and found my friend in contempt and in violation of the judgment and jailed him.

    The judge was especially enraged that my friend had just taken an early retirement from his place of employment so as to negate his ability to continue to pay in excess of 70% of his salary to the state (in addition to taxes, Wisconsin collects and manages child-support payments).

    Due to the refusal of the State to follow its own law on payments and the insistence by the judge of the penalties that he would receive if he didn’t find sufficient employment to continue to maintain his current mandated support payments, after having been bailed out my friend fled the country and can not return.

  • Kenneth

    The more I read what is happening in USA the more I wonder why you are still living there. It will become worse & worse. Come & live in Australia.

    • Guy

      Great country, but they grab guns. I haven’t heard anything bad about their government healthcare but …..

      • Kenneth

        Guy you can own a gun when you apply for a license for a valid reason. People are using knives etc in killing people now so it is true guns do not kill, people will kill when they are determined to do so. People for over 40 years are being brought up without a conscience. King Alcohol via Binge drinking is main reason why people kill when they deliberately & willfully cause harm to others.

        • Guy

          I’ve heard after what happened ad few years ago in Tasmania Austrailia started gun grabbing big time. Here were several articels about it in the NRA. The lack of content in response to the Email I sent to thier government regarding suspected increases in personal attacks and home invasions answered my questions.

          Yea people can use other weapons and what’s available to kill is obvious. You also are right the majority of the population under 40 have a warped sense of morality and are wantabe Progressives provided they are in charge. Communists control the means of production, National Socialists tell businesses what to do, Statists do both. I know them in my extended family of all stripes tortuting my father-in-law, and murdering his siblings. This is the reason the people shouId be armed. Government is supposed to serve the people, not the other way around. It is supposed to keep its big nose out of everyone’s face, business, bedroom, and child rearing.

    • Dragonaught

      Why should we chose Australia?

      Your Government doesn’t even trust you with guns……….

  • Christopher

    Mr. Kahre was legal to pay his independant contractors in gold coin based on its face value as the courts have ruled these coins as legal tender.
    A person would owe taxes on the coins when they exchanged the coins for paper money as then it is deemed they have made a profit. So if a person recieves coins only up to a face value of $7,200. he will not owe any taxes as this the allowed income before income taxes are due. At $50. face value thats 144 coins to equal $7,200. each coin is one ounce of gold. The key is to find people who will accept gold coin in payment and infact a couple of states are considering allowing payment for state debts in gold ie DMV, TAXES, etc.

    • azcIII

      Hi Christopher,
      Which states and do you have links to any proposed statutes that I might send to my own state reps?

      Thanks!

  • Daniel

    This will require a trip to the Supreme Court eventually. The govt can’t afford to lose
    at any lower level. And this is where the strictest interpretation of the Constitution is
    likely to survive. The one thing the Supreme Court justices don’t have to do is to
    answer to any political party or politician because they are already in place and,
    short of criminal activity, cannot be censured or removed. They can maintain a true
    effort to enforce the Constitution. This may be to the chagrin of all political “patriots”
    of any persuation. We may not always agree but its our last line of defense of our
    civil liberties. All legal issues are subject to the agreed upon intent of the original
    Constitution. It takes a Constitutional amendment to alter any such intent. Thus, this
    is Democracy’s finest hour. Let us pray it remains that way. A copy of this email
    should accompany any action that goes before the court to remind the justices of
    the importance of their impartiality and their duty to the people of these United States
    of America. God bless us all!

  • EyeCeeUs

    The Fed has been drain the life out of money since they were intiated.I’m glad the author said that hyperinflation was going to happen because it will. China will have the new currency unless we adopt a one world currency.

  • Lance

    This is a very interesting case and I truly hope he wins. There need to be more mouses. I also hope and pray that the people that send so many e-mail responses with passion also take the time to send them to their elected officials. I do and I am very upset with what “they” are doing in the USA and especially in regards to our rights and our entire economy. It is truly sickening. “We Want Change!?” Well, we are getting it in a fast paced fashion. To counter the 3 dragons there are 3 great books on how: The Creature from Jekyll Island, Bankruptcy of our Nation, and I.O.U.S.A. Check them out and the websites with court cases/comments concerning them. There is of course the greatest book that tells you all of these things and their outcomes…The Bible. Take care and prepare!

    • Beau

      I agree with Lance 26 & 27. Bottom line, you want to know what is comming, read The Bible. It has not missed on a prediction or prophesy if you may, for 3,000 years withstanding all the “wise men” of our modern era who have tried to deny it. The latest greatest fool probably being Darwin and his followers.

      Getting back to the money issue. The Government of every “advanced” nation throuout history has tried to do the same Ponzi scheme with money. (Historical Fact!) They stole everything they could from their people by inflation and taxes for unsustainable wars and entitlement programs while at the same time destroying their economies when the “Funny Money” would not be accepted by anyone anymore. Human suffering, deprivation, subjugation, inprisonment and death was the purchase they made for their greed and deception. Once they start down that path, history shows that there is no stopping it. A special Thank you to our traitorus past and present Congress and Presidents. They have succeded in selling us down the river.

      Mr. Robert Kahre has worked a stroke of genius. Paying his workers in Legal Tender, but in this case, real money instead of Fiat money, has put the Fake (print paper) mony monopoly on it’s head. If there is anything they want to kill for sure, it is competition. Mr. Robert Kahre should be careful. They will want to silence him. The Federal Reserve bank and the Treasury are being shown publicly that they have been working to cheat and steal from every American since shortly after the founding of the Nation and they are trying desperately to keep the population from learning the truth. Treason is the right word. In matters of this magnitude they all deserve the firing squad. If the are never held accountable, this will go to its bitter end. Even if it is too late, they still deserve to pay the price for their wickedness.

      I have an idea. Tell the Federal Reserve Bank that indeed the Money is theirs, (they are a Foreign Bank Company.) and so are the Debts. Now take a hike. End of problem. Issue new Continental Currency just as President Kennedy was starting to do and get the blood sucking bankers out of our business. Remember? We fought the war of Independence for this very reason. Looks like we are going to have to do it again.

      If it is not so, I want my stock certificates and dividens of General Motors, Lehman Brotheres, AIG and all the other companyies and businesses the Government has purchased with “Our” money. I want my stock NOW! They used my money to buy it, and evern if the Stock is worthless, I want my share or else the money was not mine or yours to begin with. Therefore, the Federal Reserve Bank must be the true owner of the businesses and the Debt too. It was their money, not ours that got into so much trouble. If I remember right, no American ever voted to give our Nations Currency over to foreign banking interests, do you? So they are “illegal” in every way. It is time to give them the Boot.

  • Lance

    There is another point that must be made. Just like back in the 1960′s which I questioned then as well as now, too many people are advocating getting rid of the systems which are in place, with violence if necessary. Well…..what is your new system and how will it be implemented?!?! What is the better plan? The system in place does work if used correctly. The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution with Amendments are great documents and the “law of the land” would be great if they went by it. They twist it around and abuse their powers saying and interpreting the laws to meet their own justice with total lies. Flood them with the truth and how you really feel. This has gone on long enough and if “they” feel they will be voted out they just might do something. Abolish the Fed with another law…we pay them to print fiat money for the government, borrow it, and pay interest!!! Scam!!!

    • DaveH

      Right on Lance. I regularly contact my representatives and senators, and I believe it does work. If enough of us get off our dead butts and start demanding honest representation, then it will happen. They will respect us if they know it will cost them their jobs.
      We can start by demanding that the campaign finance laws be thrown out. It takes lots of money to get a challenger elected, and the lifetime legislators know that. So they support campaign finance laws. As voters, we need to dig deeper for the truth and think harder and start putting people in office who truly serve the people instead of visa-versa.

    • Average Joe

      I have been working on something and would like some opinions on the body of work so far. This is just my opinion on fixing the nation and really has no chance of becomming applied to the real world….just a thought.

      Ideas for a Constitutional Country

      Corporate America
      All corporate executives should be held personally responsible for all actions taken by the corporation that they oversee, which proves to be detrimental to thier customers,shareholders or workers.If the corporate executives want the high pay, then it is high time they take resonsibility for thier actions. If they are held accountable for thier company’s actions, then they might tend to have more oversight of the corporate deallings.

      Executive pay needs to be based soley on performance not on contracts ie: Based on a percentage of profits earned by the corporation during tenure and paid in monthly increments based on the previous months profits (no profit,no paycheck… Lose money for three months during any year, lose job).Sound and cautious investing builds a sound corporation.Taking high risks with other peoples money tends to lead to disaster, but only for the other people as the corporate executives take no responsibility for the losses….this needs to change. If there are consequences for thier actions, they will become much more prudent in their dealings….and a lot more honest.

      2.Monetary System
      First, a repeal of the Federal Reserve Banking Cartel with a return to the gold and silver standard as laid out by the founding document known as The Constitution for the United States of America. Instead of printing a endless supply of paper currency backed by nothing except a promise to pay MONEY….eventually (after all they say right on the top “Federal Reserve Note” look up the definition of note sometime).The first dollars minted in the U.S. were issued by the federal government in Philadelphia in 1794, following passage of the Coinage Act of 1792. The act provided for two standards of value: a silver dollar containing 371.25 gr of pure silver and a gold dollar containing 24.75 gr of pure gold. The gold dollar, a very small coin, was minted only from 1849 to 1889. Over the years revisions in the coinage law have changed the silver and gold content in the dollar and it never had to happen.
      Next, a restructuring of pay scales for all employees.
      Blue collar jobs
      . Unskilled labor. Instead of being paid using DOLLARS as a method of payment for wages, I suggest hourly UNITS as wages. For every hour worked 1/2 Unit of pay is earned. Each unit is worth 1 once of silver (so, for a typical 40 hour week, a employee would earn 20 units of pay or 20 oz. of silver).
      Skilled labor.(carpenter, plumbers,electricians,etc.)
      For each hour worked the employee earns 3/4 units per hour each being worth 3/4 oz. of silver or 30 oz. per week, based on a 40 hour work week.

      Grey collar jobs

      These are jobs that reqire at least 2 years of college and include jobs such as technicians, nurses, computer programmers etc.

      For every hour worked, 1 unit is paid. Each unit equal to 1 ounce of silver, or 40 ounces based on a 40 hour work week.

      Lower and middle Management

      For every hour worked, 1.25 to 1.75 unit is paid. Each unit equal to 1.25 to 1,75 ounces of silver or 50 to 70 ounces based on a 40 hour work week.

      Upper management has been disscussed.
      Based Soley on a percentage of profits.

      Immigration

      I say let anyone into to this country that wants in, With these stipulations:
      You do not have a criminal conviction in any other country’
      You provide two medical reports done at not more than 6 month intervals and within a year before the time of application for entry into the U.S.showing that you are disease free (HIV, Hep, etc.)
      You come here on a five year permit.During your Permitted time you will:
      Register for a Social Security Card and have your card before you may work here.
      During the time your permit is valid, you will submit to double the normal rate for SSI payments
      Any children born to you while you are still on a valid permit will not automatically become a citizen of this nation. They have the same status as their parents (temporary, until all requirements of the parents is met for citizenship).
      You will not be permitted welfare. It is not a option don’t ask.

      During the time your permit is valid, you will : Learn to speak english, Use it in everyday life. You must becume fluent. If you come here, do not expect us to learn your language in order to communicate. English is spoken here!
      While I understand the diversity of cultures in this country The nation was founded by the British Colonists as such, the official language is English.If you want to keep your cultural language alive, that is fine, but you left your country and now you are here, so when in public, Speak English..
      lets all have at least one thing in common….One Language…English!
      You will learn the history and Contitution not only of the nation, but also of the state where you live.
      You will submit to a test to validate that you know these things and you will be sworn in by your oath as a citizen.
      Failure to attain Citizenship within the five year permit time, revokes the permit and you return to your country of origin, not sad tales, no excuses. Your stay here is over and you may not apply again for five years.
      Anyone caught in the country without the valid permit to be here will be jailed for a period of one year first offence 5 years for any subsquent offense. Also, while incarcerated inmates will have no recreational equipment,TV’s etc….eats and sleeps nothing more. While incarcerated, all inmates will work 10 hour days 6 days a week in a variety of jobs, from gardening, raising pigs and cattle as well as making license plates. This way the citizens don’t have to support them.Prisons are for punishment, why should we support you? Don’t complain if you end up there. The gardens ,cattle , pigs ect. will be used to both feed you and to clothe you (any excess will be sold to the local community at a fair market value, which will in turn clothe you).Once in one of our prisons, any violations of law will be dealt with according to the crime(but, I see a lot of people in good old fashioned stocks and pillory, as well as the good old fashion public floggings).

      Federal Lands,

      All ferderal lands (national parks etc). will immediately be turned over to the indian tribes that originally occupied the land( it was theirs to begin with and our Federal Government took it from them without just compensation), as such we as a people should give it back.

      Federal Government

      No private funding for any political race….NO EXECEPTION! Each candidate will recieve equal donated Air Time, and Print space, to be provided by the networks and news syndicates throughout the nation. They want to inform us…then they need to put their money where there mouth is…put up or shut up! By giving all candidates the same amount of free time we the people will get a better look at all candidates.
      Any candidate that has held public office, past present or future that has violated his or her Oath of Office to uphold the Constitution, shall not be considered a viable candidate for any public office and shall be removed from the ballot immediately.We know what you have done by your previous votes etc.(if you have voted to pass any statute, ordinance,law, legislation etc. that is not in compliance with the Constitution, we will know).

      Debates:

      All candidates will be included in all debates, no exceptions. Each debate should be held by a different network, no exceptions. Networks and syndicates will endorse…no candidate….no execptions. Arguing and name calling during debates is childish and we the people will have none of it! If you cannot win a debate using your own intelligence do not resort to belittling you fellow debators,you will be asked to leave the debate.All questions will be submitted by the local audience and placed in a box to be pulled out randomly for each candidate to address.

      Voting:

      All voting shall be done on paper ballots and placed in a sealed box, in full public view at all times, NO Exceptions. At the close of each local polling place, the Ballots will be removed from the box and counted in full public view, NO Exceptions.Counting shall be done a total of three times ( one by a democrat, one by a Republican and one by a Independent) to insure there is no fraud.
      Everyone over 18 years of age has the Right to vote, No Exeptions ( we will have no more of these so called Illegal voter lists since everyone has a right to representation). I can find no reason for taking anyone’s rights away to representation through voting. If someone went to prison for a crime and completed their sentence, has in my opinion “paid his or her debt to society” and shall have all rights restored after completing the sentence, No Exception

      Again these are just some of my thoughts and a work in progress. Constructive critisizims are welcome. Thanks for reading and commenting.

  • Big Bear, Bearsden, ID

    “Will there even be a government left to tax us?”

    Hopefully only on the local level. The best thing about the coming bankruptcy is that the Washington/Wall St. complex’s power will be greatly diminished. Best to cut them off now while they are in the middle of the ideologue Obama’s massive spend-o-rama. The sooner the system collapses, the faster a new one can be built. And besides, it’s better to have a cushion when the powers that be mess it all up. No doubt they’ll just flee the country with the loot anyway, like the USSR in the early ’90s.

  • Vladimir

    Guys, it’s the beginning of the end. Government is an enemy of the people, and as the people let the government pass point of no return- now the ever growing in size and povers government will reduce Americans to the slaves of the Big Government, and the property of the slave is the property of his master.
    The results are already know from the European (or should I say “Eurostan”?) experience: cynical and apathetic population, less and less birth rate, demographic catastrophe with insueing tax rase (NCPA estimated tax burden in Europe to reach 60% by 2030 and 70% by the 2050).
    The only way to stop it is to fire 99% of the government, cut taxes and budget by 99% and dismantle completely ALL entitlement programs including SOcial Security, Medicare, future Obama’s socialism in health care and the like.
    Do you have guts to do it? No? Will go the way of European socialdemocracy?
    Then more and more of your freedoms, rights and money will be stolen by your enemy, by your government, demographics will further drop and the whole civilization will disappear. End of the story. Two times two equels four, whether you like it or not.

    • FarRightWinger

      It’s true what you said, but don’t forget one thing about European ‘apathy’: The continent was devastated with 2 world-wars and several smaller ethnic clashes (like the Yougoslavian conflict).
      As of myself, i see NO apathy in Europe. Just look at the recent far-right victories in Hungary (Jobbik Party) and in UK (British natioanl Party). Both parties got so much support from the population that both got seats in the EU Parlament. How would you see a right-wing politician (as was David Duke as Republican representative in 1999 Louisiana).
      Also, don’t forget: most of the Euroepan countries (especially Germany, Austria, France, Switzerland) lost the major part of their freedoms after WW2, certain issues (such as colored invasion, holocau$t-questioning) is so deeply tabood, that can’t even mentioned publicly without risking harsh jail-sentences. Their fight for freedom and a ZOG-free Europe is much more challenging than for us, here in the good ol’ USA, simply bc they cannot bear firearms privately, so their governments playing mouse-and-cat all the times. taxing, forced colored immigration, thought police – all coming to us, if we don’t prepare and fight back!

      Therefore, it is our lecture to learn from their sadness; if we don’t want to be enslaved and use ‘flower-language’ , we need to act now. Unite the American people and keep our 2nd Amendment strong and active.

    • Moongoddess

      There will always be those that have the guts to stand up!!! We are not cowards, only the meek will cower down. Remember something: to have knowledge is to be armed, we the ones that understand will one day stand up and be heard and felt across the globe. The time is coming, we shall see it in this life.

  • bluejacket

    Lance,

    I would like to see a return to our original founding documents as they were intended, not as the leftists have parsed and twisted their meaning, and in some cases just plain ignored their meaning.

    A new standard needs to be implemented, that when a public servant raises their right hand and swears to preserve protect and defend the Constitution that this oath needs to mean something, and breaking it will bear the ultimate punishment. By taking the oath, you are now eligible to charged with treason, and the only penalty allowed should be a firing squad.

    This should definatly end the cavalier attitude that our current lawmakes have today.

    • Douglas Hvistendahl

      The Constitution party basically says we have a good constitution: let’s use it instead of going around it. We think of it as the “none of the above” party. When there are bad candidates on both sides of a position, we vote constitution if possible. They also have a policy of not putting candidates up against a good candidate.

  • DaveH

    From the liberal hero (not mine) Franklin Roosevelt (notice the double-speak):

    Executive order: By virtue of the
    authority vested in me by Section 5(B) of
    The Act of Oct. 6,
    1917, as amended by section 2 of
    the Act of March 9, 1933, in which
    Congress declared that
    a serious emergency exists, I as
    President, do declare that the national
    emergency still exists;
    That the continued private hoarding
    of gold and silver by subjects of the United
    States poses a
    grave threat to the peace, equal
    justice, and well-being of the United
    States; and that appropriate
    measures must be taken immediately
    to protect the interests of our people.

    “Therefore, pursuant to the above
    authority, I herby proclaim that such gold
    and silver holdings
    are prohibited, and that all such
    coin, bullion or other possessions of gold
    and silver be tendered within fourteen days
    to agents of the Government of the United
    States for compensation at the
    official price, in the legal tender of
    the Government. All safe deposit boxes in
    banks or financial
    institutions have been sealed,
    pending action in the due course of the
    law. All sales or purchases
    or movements of such gold and
    silver within the borders of the United
    States and its territories,
    and all foreign exchange
    transactions or movements of such metals
    across the border are herby prohibited.

    “Your possession of these
    proscribed metals and/or your maintenance
    of a safe-deposit box to
    store them is known to the
    Government from bank and insurance
    records. Therefore, be advised
    that your vault box must remain
    sealed, and may only be opened in the
    presence of an agent of
    The Internal Revenue Service.

    “By lawful Order given this day,
    the President of the United States.”

  • John Martin

    To Tom in response #2; Frankin and his democrat cronies stole the Mn senate election. The democrat appointed officals used different rules in different countys when deciding whether to count absentee ballots and the democrat secretary of state allowed it to happen. Supprise! Why not count all the ballots? No hanging chads.

  • http://none Dale

    This is for those that bad mouth presidents without knowing how the system works. Bush (both) had democrat controlled congress, congress makes the rules. The president can only try to persuade congress to see things his way. Clinton had a republican congress and wasteful spending declined to long time low. Now we have a democrat president and a democrat congress and spending is out the window. Just remember blame congress first and also remember your vote counts when you for congress(men and women) but you did not vote for the president…. the electorial delegates did that for you but not necessarily the way the people voted.

    • Average Joe

      And this is for those that think they know what they are taliking about, but do not have a clue about the actual history of this nation.

      Historical Outline

      1st: Martial Law is declared by President Lincoln on April 24th, 1863, with General Orders No. 100; under martial law authority, Congress and President Lincoln institute continuous martial law by ordering the states (people) either conscribe troops and or provide money in support of the North or be recognized as enemies of the nation; this martial law Act of Congress is still in effect today. This martial law authority gives the President (with or without Congress) the dictatorial authority to do anything that can be done by government in accord with the Constitution of the United States of America. This conscription act remains in effect to this very day and is the foundation of Presidential Executive Orders authority; it was magnified in 1917 with The Trading with the Enemy Act (Public Law 65-91, 65th Congress, Session I, Chapters 105, 106, October 6, 1917). and again in 1933 with the Emergency War Powers Act, which is ratified and enhanced almost every year to this date by Congress. Today these Acts address the people of the United States themselves as their enemy.

      2nd: The District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 created a “municipal corporation” to govern the District of Columbia. Considering the fact that the municipal government itself was incorporated in 1808, an “Organic Act” (first Act) using the term “municipal corporation” in 1871 can only mean a private corporation owned by the municipality. Hereinafter we will call that private corporation, “Corp. U.S.” By consistent usage, Corp. U.S. trademarked the name, “United States Government” referring to themselves. The District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 places Congress in control (like a corporate board) and gives the purpose of the act to form a governing body over the municipality; this allowed Congress to direct the business needs of the government under the existent martial law and provided them with corporate abilities they would not otherwise have. This was done under the constitutional authority for Congress to pass any law within the ten mile square of the District of Columbia. Follow this link to see the effect of the District of Columbia Act of 1871.

      3rd: In said Act, Corp. U.S. adopted their own constitution (United States Constitution), which was identical to the national Constitution (Constitution of the United States of America) except that it was missing the national constitution’s 13th Amendment and the national constitution’s 14th, 15th and 16th amendments are respectively numbered 13th, 14th and 15th amendments in the Corp. U.S. Constitution. At this point take special notice and remember this Corp. U.S. method of adopting their own Constitution, they will add to it in the same manner in 1913.

      4th: Corp. U.S. began to generate debts via bonds etc., which came due in 1912, but they could not pay their debts so the 7 families that bought up the bonds demanded payment and Corp. U.S. could not pay. Said families settled the debt for the payments of all of Corp. U.S.’ assets and for all of the assets of the Treasury of the United States of America.

      5th: As 1913 began, Corp. U.S. had no funds to carry out the necessary business needs of the government so they went to said families and asked if they could borrow some money. The families said no (Corp. U.S. had already demonstrated that they would not repay their debts in full). The families had foreseen this situation and had the year before finalized the creation of a private corporation of the name “Federal Reserve Bank”. Corp. U.S. formed a relationship with the Federal Reserve Bank whereby they could transact their business via note rather than with money. Notice that this relationship was one made between two private corporations and did not involve government; that is where most people error in understanding the Federal Reserve Bank system—again it has no government relation at all. The private contracts that set the whole system up even recognize that if anything therein proposed is found illegal or impossible to perform it is excluded from the agreements and the remaining elements remain in full force and effect.

      6th: Almost simultaneously with the last fact (also in 1913), Corp. U.S. adopts (as if ratified) their own 16th amendment. Tax protesters challenge the IRS tax collection system based on this fact, however when we remember that Corp. U.S. originally created their constitution by simply drafting it and adopting it; there is no difference between that adoption and this—such is the nature of corporate enactments—when the corporate board (Congress) tells the secretary to enter the amendment as ratified (even thought the States had not ratified it) the Se3cretary was instructed that the Representatives word alone was sufficient for ratification. You must also note, this amendment has nothing to do with our nation, with our people or with our national Constitution, which already had its own 16th amendment. The Supreme Court (in BRUSHABER v. UNION PACIFIC R. CO., 240 U.S. 1 (1916)) ruled the 16th amendment did nothing that was not already done other than to make plain and clear the right of the United States (Corp. U.S.) to tax corporations and government employees. We agree, considering that they were created under the authority of Corp. U.S.

      7th: Next (also 1913) Corp. U.S., through Congress, adopts (as if ratified) its 17th amendment. This amendment is not only not ratified, it is not constitutional; the nation’s Constitution forbids Congress from even discussing the matter of where Senators are elected, which is the subject matter of this amendment; therefore they cannot pass such and Act and then of their own volition, order it entered as ratified. According to the United States Supreme Court, for Congress to propose such an amendment they would first have to pass an amendment that gave them the authority to discuss the matter.

      8th: Accordingly, in 1914, the Freshman class and all Senators that successfully ran for reelection in 1913 by popular vote were seated in Corp. U.S. Senate capacity only; their respective seats from their States remained vacant because neither the State Senates nor the State Governors appointed new Senators to replace them as is still required by the national Constitution for placement of a national Senator.

      9th: In 1916, President Wilson is reelected by the Electoral College but their election is required to be confirmed by the constitutionally set Senate; where the new Corp. U.S. only Senators were allowed to participate in the Electoral College vote confirmation the only authority that could possibly have been used for electoral confirmation was corporate only. Therefore, President Wilson was not confirmed into office for his second term as President of the United States of America and was only seated in the Corp. U.S. Presidential capacity. Therefore the original jurisdiction government’s seats were vacated because the people didn’t seat any original jurisdiction government officers. It is important to note here that President Wilson retained his capacity as Commander in Chief of the military. Many people wonder about this fact imagining that such a capacity is bound to the President of the nation; however, When John Adams was President he assigned George Washington to the capacity of Commander in Chief of the military in preparation for an impending war with France. During this period, Mr. Adams became quite concerned because Mr. Washington became quite ill and passed on his acting military authority through his lead General Mr. Hamilton and Mr. Adams was concerned that if war did break out Mr. Hamilton would use that authority to create a military dictatorship of the nation. Mr. Adams averted the war through diplomacy and the title of Commander in Chief was returned to him.
      (See: John Adams, by David McCullough, this book covers Mr. Adams concerns over this matter quite well. Mr. Adams was a fascinating man.)

      10th: In 1917, Corp. U.S. enters W.W. I and passes their Trading with the Enemies Act.

      11th: In 1933, Corp. U.S. is bankrupt, they force a banking holiday to exchange money backed Federal Reserve Notes with “legal tender” Federal Reserve Notes the Trading with the Enemies Act is adjusted to recognize the people of the United States as enemies of Corp. U.S.

      12th: Some time after 1935, you ask Social Security Administration for a relationship with their program. With the express purpose of generating Beneficiary funds to United States General Trust Fund (GTF) the Social Security Administration creates an entity with a name (that sounds like your name but is spelled with all capital letters) and an account number (Social Security number). They give you the Social Security card and let you know that the card does not belong to you but you are to hold it for them until they want it back. If you are willing to accept that responsibility over the card you activate the card by signing it, which gives you the ability to act as the fiduciary for the cards actual owner Corp. U.S. and you can use the card’s name and number to thus transact business relations for the card’s actual owner. You are also to note that though the card verifies its agency (you as the single person with authority to control the entity so created) it is not for use as identification. On review: notice the Social Security Administration was the creator of the entity, they offered you the opportunity to serve its Trustee capacity (by lending it actual consciousness and physical capacity), they gave you something (the card) that does not belong to you to hold in trust and they reserved the actual owner of the thing (Corp. U.S.) as the beneficiary of the entity—by definition, this only describes the creation and existence of a Trust. More importantly: the name they gave this Trust is not your name, the number they gave the Trust is not your number and your lending actual consciousness and physical capacity to this Trust’s Trustee capacity does not limit you or your capacity to separately act in your natural sovereign capacity in any way—what you do, when you do it and how you do it is still totally up to you.

      13th: In 1944, under the Bretton Woods Agreement, Corp. U.S. is quit claimed to the International Monetary Fund, and becomes a foreign controlled private corporation.
      14th: In 1968, at the National Governor’s Conference in Lexington, Kentucky, the IMF leaders of the event proposed the dilemma the State governors were in for carrying out their business dealings in Federal Reserve Notes (foreign notes), which is forbidden in the national and State constitutions, alleging that if they did not do something to protect themselves the people would discover what had been done with their money and would likely to kill them all and start over. They suggested the States form corporations like Corp. U.S. and showed the advantages of the resultant uniform codes that could be created, which would allow better and more powerful control over the people, which thing the original jurisdiction governments of this nation had no capacity to do. Our Constitutions secure that the governments do not govern the people rather they govern themselves in accord with the limits of Law. The people govern themselves. Such is the foundational nature of our Constitutional Republic.

      15th: By 1971, every State government in the union of States had formed such private corporations (Corp. State), in accord with the IMF admonition, and the people ceased to seat original jurisdiction government officials in their State government seats.

      Now, having stated these historical facts, I ask you not to believe me, but rather prove these facts for yourself.
      Next, consider this. What is the purpose of a corporation? To make money for thier shareholders.Who are the shareholders for the United States Government?…the people that we supposedly “elect” to office. So who are they passing legislation to help?…is it the people or is it for the “shareholders”? The same holds true for State, County and City Governments.
      When you find there is no error in this historical outline, then remember these simple facts and let no one dissuade you from the truth.

      The Bottom Line: when you speak about these private foreign corporations remember that is what they are and stop calling them government.

      Further, it is very important that we cease to attempt to fix them. It is far more important that we learn how to reseat our original jurisdiction government and spread the word about the truth. By reseating our State and national governments in their original jurisdiction nature, we gain the capacity to hold these private foreign corporations accountable. They owe us a lot of money, in fact they owe us more money than there is available in the world. In fact it is impossible for them to pay and that gives us the leverage we need to take back our nation and put things right. The process is a simple one. The difficulty is in getting our people to wake up to the truth. That’s why we ask you to prove the truth for yourself and contact us with your discovery.

      That means that you must stop acting and communicating like you are anything other than the sovereign that God created you to be. And, stop referring to Corp. U.S. or the STATE OF ‘X’ as anything other than the private foreign corporations that they are. And, finally, stop listening to the Bigfoot Patriot Mythology that is espoused by those that only give these facts lip service.

      It’s time to wake up and follow the truth, time to repent and become a moral and honorable society instead of lauding our Piety while we stand guilty of:
      a) not knowing the truth;
      b) not living the truth;
      c) believing God will save us even though we have the tools to know the truth the ability to use the tools but we refuse to live by the truth and use the tools we have to save ourselves and thereby become free.

      The biggest problem with them getting all excited about uniting against the tyranny of Corp. U.S. is that they are blind to the truth having no remedy so they bail out of “the system” hell bent for a rebellion that even the scripture says it cannot be won with conventional weapons of war. Would that we could instead follow the admonition of the King of Kings and unite with truth to legally, lawfully and peacefully reseat our original jurisdiction government thereby taking back the control our nation in accord with law.

  • http://praiseworld3d.com MrHeid

    I cannot express how much I enjoyed reading the replies and posts here, as well as the original artical which created the thread. I pray God will place a hedge of protection around Mr. Kahre becouse he surely needs it.
    The answer to all of this is realy very simple. Make sure all 435 in the house of reps. are replaced with TRUE patriots with an agenda, including the repeal of the Fed. Res. ACT of 1913 on the grounds it is constitutionaly illegal and was inacted without a congressional quarum and therefore illegally inacted. Therefore all the intrest and debt is meaningless since the Fed is illegal and so is the IRS. We do not send the suggested replacement offered by either party and simply feed the beast, rather we send patriots like those posting here. One interesting idea to get this done is presented at http://goooh.com which has the highest potential of actually working I’ve heard thus far.

  • http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf Starchild

    Excellent blog post — this does indeed sound like an important case, and one that Robert Kahre clearly deserves to win, since his only “crime” was to use to his advantage in complying with extortion (tax) rules, the government’s own fraudulent manipulation of U.S. currency.

    However, I do disagree with the statement that this is “Not a true case of double jeopardy, as (Kahre) wasn’t acquitted the first time.”

    Constitutionally, it doesn’t matter whether he was acquitted or not — once a person has stood trial for something, that’s the end of it unless they are found guilty and decide to appeal. The Fifth Amendment states, “nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb.” It doesn’t read, “unless the case is dismissed without an acquittal,” or “unless there is a hung jury,” or “unless the charges are reworked,” or “unless their are different co-defendants the second time around.”

    Of course this is routinely violated by courts in this country, like so much else in the Constitution.

    Not directly related to any of this, but there is an excellent animated video about the philosophy of freedom on the International Society for Individual Liberty’s website (isil.org).

  • http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf Starchild

    P.S. – You can just click on my name to see the video.

  • LimestoneFreedom

    To Beau, and everyone else. I have found a website that seems to be a good place for information and joining a “grassroots” movement. Its called “Campaign for Liberty” and is at http://www.campaignforliberty.com. It also has links for research and historical documents such as the Constitution and Declaration of Independence ( and lots more)

    I hope the jury returns a unanimous “NOT GULITY”.

  • Jeffrey Brower

    This worries me somewhat. What will happen to all the people that will be trading with silver and gold bullion after the impending collapse? Will Big Brother reign terror down on their heads?

  • True Patriot

    Richard is just the type of American the Government wants us to be! They want us to believe that it is right for ther IRS to take 40% of our wages and then throw us the leftovers! Anyone who is educated knows that the Bill to tax US citizen’s wages was never ratified! Also read the IRS rule book (Title 26) which gives an outline of the parameters of what money is to be taxed and the definitions of income and wages and you will find out for yourself who is liable to pay taxes for what and which is “voluntary”! Do what the Power Brokers don’t want you to do and educate yourself the kind of education you will never be taught in the Government controlled Public Education System. And then you won’t be subject to ridicule, like poor Richard, by people who do know what they are talking about. It scares me when I read inputs like those of Richard because it reminds me of what my College History Professor use to tell me, “that complacency is last step before Slavery”!

  • Herman King

    The followers of Obama are a cult. It is useless to argue with them, We can only hope they hop onto the next comet and skeedaddle out of the universe.

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    Most of us are so illiterate..when it comes to our Constitution….we don’t know what
    our Forefathers did for us…to PROTECT us from these Federal thugs that think that
    we’re ALL morons. I for one…am Taking a Stand and I say to the Leaders of each State You Stand as well….because Each State is Sovereign and We Have the Power to decide what we Will accept and what we Won’t!!! And, that pertains to EVERYTHING the President, Congress and the Senate try to cram down our throats! By the way..I believe it’s PAST time for us to send the message to Washington…that They Work for Us…not the other way around!!!

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