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Those Scumbag OWS Protesters Are Helping Our Cause

December 16, 2011 by  

Those Scumbag OWS Protesters Are Helping Our Cause

Have OWS protesters infested your city yet? They haven’t infested mine, but I kind of wish they would. Earlier this week, they shut down all shipping through the port of Oakland, Calif. If they knew who their real enemies are, they’d be kicking down the door to Harry Reid’s office in Washington.

Clearly, someone behind these clueless, jobless, soapless demonstrators is very familiar with a guy named Saul Alinsky. This left-wing agitator has been honored, if that’s the right word, as this country’s first community organizer. You can see where that’s led.

Alinsky, a veteran of Chicago’s dirtiest politics, wrote a book years ago called Rules for Radicals. One of his most important lessons was that “the real action is in the reaction.”

That is, so-called peaceful demonstrators will get everything they seek if they can cause the establishment to react forcibly against them. (Think of fire hoses and police dogs during the civil rights demonstrations of the 1960s.) Do that and your battle is won. Martin Luther King Jr. was a master implementer of the Alinsky stratagems.

Those OWS creeps in various locations around the country are not. All they are doing is making the average American disgusted with them. Oh, sure, they’re getting some support in high places — like Barack Obama’s White House. But how many of your friends and neighbors want to have anything to do with them? Heck, I’ll bet they don’t even want to get close enough to smell them.

One of the most ridiculous statements I’ve heard since OWS demonstrators first arrived in New York City is that the movement is somehow similar to the Tea Party. USA Today even ran an article with the headline “Tea Party, Occupy share traits.”

What a bunch of baloney.

Let’s see. The Tea Party brought more than half-a-million people to a peaceful and patriotic demonstration on the Washington Mall last year. When they left, park officials were amazed to find that the mall was cleaner than when they arrived.

When the OWS protesters finally were dragged kicking and screaming out of the parks they occupied, many of the cleanup crews had to wear hazmat outfits to protect themselves from the filth and sewage the demonstrators left behind.

So far, more than 5,000 OWS demonstrators have been arrested. Can you imagine the headlines if even a few hundred Tea Party members were arrested for similar offenses?

The Tea Party consists of people who are proudly patriotic. They love their country, its traditions and its rich history.

The OWS crowd is a bit different. OWS has been endorsed by both the Communist Party USA and the American Nazi Party. Talk about strange bedfellows! But don’t make the mistake of thinking the Nazis belong on the right. The word “Nazism” is a shortened version of the word “Nationalsozialismus,” or National Socialism. Hitler and all his followers are creatures of the left, not the right.

Tea Party members revere our country’s heritage of freedom, free enterprise and private property rights. They believe it is impossible to have a prosperous and growing economy where these principles are not respected and defended.

The OWS protesters despise the free market, hate and mistrust capitalism, and believe Karl Marx was right when he called for the forcible redistribution of wealth.

OWS demonstrators would have loved Lyndon Baines Johnson and his vision for a Great Society. Half a century ago, LBJ declared that it is the duty of government to take from the “haves” and give to the “have-nots.”

The protesters are gathering enormous publicity and thousands of followers. The left loves their anti-capitalist mentality, which is why so many of them, from Obama on down, have supported their cause.

But for a moment, let’s look at the facts about the downtrodden poor in this country. In his column The OWS-Black Friday Connection, My fellow Personal Liberty Digest columnist Robert Ringer quoted some amazing statistics:

Here are some facts about people whom the Census Bureau defines as “poor”…

  • Forty-three percent own their own homes.
  • Eighty percent have air conditioning in their homes.
  • Almost 75 percent of poor households have a car, and 31 percent have more than one.
  • Ninety-seven percent have a color television set and 62 percent have cable or satellite TV.
  • Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens.

In other words, the poor in this country live better today than the vast majority of human beings on the face of the Earth. I suspect they live better than most of our grandparents and great-grandparents did. In fact, they enjoy a higher standard of living than royalty did a couple of centuries ago.

Now I’ll grant you, there really is some poverty in this country. There are some truly terrible conditions in many of our inner cities. But the OWS protesters aren’t doing anything to correct them.

I will admit that the OWS agitators have a brilliant slogan: “We are the 99%.” Of course, they are nothing of the kind. They are a tiny fragment of nihilistic rebels who are delighted with all the attention they are getting.  But as far as a positive program to make things better? Fuhgeddaboudit.

Let me end this piece by quoting a friend of mine, Wayne Allyn Root, who says he is very proud to be a member of the 1 percent:

99% of the 1% are just like me– small businessmen and women who started from humble origins and earned their money the old fashioned way. Our “overnight success” came from 25 years of hard work, risking everything, and overcoming failure. Many of us are struggling, but will forever keep striving for the American Dream.

I am sick of being denigrated and misrepresented by the media and leftist politicians who are purposely misleading the public about the 1%.

I am sick of Obama targeting, vilifying, demonizing, and punishing us for our success. I am sick of the class warfare, jealousy, and envy that Obama’s socialist cabal tries to foment among the masses. The public has been told lies about the 1%.

My story is the story of 99% of the 1%. I am a small businessman. I work 16-hour days, mornings, nights, weekends, holidays, birthdays, and anniversaries. I have no guaranteed job for life, nor any pension. I have no rich daddy or sugar daddy.

I hope you, too, are “sick of the class warfare, jealousy, and envy that Obama’s socialist cabal tries to foment among the masses.” I sure am.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • s c

    Chip, I THANK you for bringing up the neglected FACT that Communists and National Socialists [Nazis] are closet brothers. Some of the OWSers must be related to the ’60s protestors. They never did understand who or what ‘the establishment’ was
    back then.
    Now, one of the worst ‘establishment’ types, George Soros, is probably THE money connection for OWSers. They’re too damned dumb to connect the dots. One had the gall to say they don’t have a problem with the Post Office herd. Again, it’s a matter of definitions (and how incomplete one’s education is).
    So, in one sense, OWSers are helping ‘our cause.’ Most likely, they’ll never understand how, and I’ll bet they won’t ask questions, either. DUH. Follow the fuhrer, boys and girls. When you get tired of it, follow Stalin and Lenin. Opposite sides of the same frickin’ coin, airheads.

    • FreedomFighter

      “They came first for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn’t speak up because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant. And then they came for me and by that time no one was left to speak up.”

      Rev. M Niemoeller,Nazi Germany,’45; from “Political Quotations” Daniel B. Baker

      It’s Time for The Sheeple to Wake The Hell Up!!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=523FFLUBOVc&feature=uploademail

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • cawmun cents

        A better one I saw was a billboard with Adolph Hitler in the customary Nazi salute.It read:

        “Anyone for gun control,raise your right hand.”

        At the bottom of the board it said:

        “Paid for by the Jewish Defence League.”

        They seem to remember the past,will we?

        -CC.

        • Lee Baldwin

          Jews will NEVER FORGET and neither should we no matter how many times the Obozoneaus One insults them. And how for my daily diatribe. Harrison J. Bounel aka Barrack Omama aka Barry Soetoro are all the same creepy multi named guy!!! ONLY criminals have that many names.Get it, America??????? How about you folks that voted for the criminal in the first place? Do YOU get it that this guy is criminally trying to take way our RIGHTS with the help of his crony George Soros?

          • alexa

            Count the millions Hitler killed.
            Count the millions Stalin/Lenin killed.
            Count the millions Mao killed.
            Count the millions killed in Africa.
            Then try to understand why the followers love tyranny.

        • Lee Baldwin

          Jews will NEVER FORGET and neither should we no matter how many times the Obozoneaus One insults them. And how for my daily diatribe. Harrison J. Bounel aka Barrack Omama aka Barry Soetoro are all the same creepy multi named guy!!! ONLY criminals have that many names. How about you folks that voted for the criminal in the first place? Do YOU get it that this guy is criminally trying to take way our RIGHTS with the help of his crony George Soros?

        • JUKEBOX

          Obama and his minions seem to be a reincarnation of Der Fuerher, the SS, and the YOUTH CORPS, That’s not pronounced CORPSE.

          • Steve

            I am reading some uninformed comments here… Some have claimed Obama is a Nazi. How much more of this will go on? If you know the Koch family history you will know that the Grand dad of the Koch Brothers, the Tea Party itself, grew up in Germany as a Hitler Youth and he brought that here as he was a major creator and financier of the John Birch Society. The JBS, were the bigots of the 50′s. 60′ and so on with their attacks against The Civil Rights Movement and other people movements. Since the Koch Brothers created the Tea Party the Tea Party was approached several times by KKK and Neo-Nazi groups because they have so many common agendas. Do your own research in the The Koch Family History and you too will know what they and their Tea Party is really about. It is not Obama who is against the American ways of life…

            What the Koch Family wants is so dangerous for us, unless you are mega wealthy or a big enough corporation, and they will fight for total deregulation of Corporations and that includes the elimination of minimum wage and suitable working conditions if it cost the Corporations any money. The have bought the Republican party and they want the Government… If you care about America alt least know Obama is so much less harmful than the TPGOP is…

          • Vigilant

            Steve, I am reading some uninformed comments here, and they are yours.

            Your premise that the Koch Bros. formed the Tea Party is provably false and your assertion that there is any relationship between Naziism and the aims of the Tea Party is pure, unadulterated merde.

            “…the Tea Party was approached several times by KKK and Neo-Nazi groups…”

            And what were the Nazis told? Get lost, you have NOTHING in common with us! If you can’t see what’s in front of you, that the lies and violence are the earmarks of the left, then you are a hopeless case.

            So the “Grand dad of the Koch Brothers…grew up in Germany as a Hitler Youth…” So what? MY ancestors were slaveholders, what does that make me…KKK?

          • eddie47d

            The Koch’s certainly did finance the Tea Party.

          • http://deleted Claire

            The Koch Brothers are pouring money into Wisconsin’s Scott Walker to fight the recall. They also finance the tea party. They will finance anyone or anything that will do their “bidding.” At first, the Koch Brothers “hid/operated” behind various named organizations because they did not want anyone to know of their “ties” to the GOP. They have done this for years, and hardly anyone was aware of the situation or even heard of these guys. Now everyone knows who the Koch Brothers are. These guys do not want any regulations–they have been fined millions for pollution. It amazes me that some people think these guys are saints. It doesn’t take too many brains to figure out what they are up to. Look at all the other so-called wealthy people/corporations/ etc. that donate to their favorite party/candidate. Same with the Dems. It is a matter of these guys and others like them wanting to rule the world. They want to be in charge and they want things to go “their way.” I believe we all should take a closer look–do these “backers” have the interests of America and all Americans at heart? No, they don’t. America is being taken for a ride. The game of politics is destroying everything that is honorable in America.

          • http://deleted Claire

            BTW–I am the “Claire” that has all the dogs–seems like there is another Claire on this site.

          • Lee

            Ste-e-e-eve —- What the HELL have you been drinking?????

          • DaveH

            Claire,
            There are two main kinds of Governmental rules — Laws and Regulations. Laws are passed by elected officials. With laws only the businesses or people that break them are punished. Regulations are generally created by unelected bureaucrats. With regulations all businesses or people (good or bad) are encumbered, kind of like when you were in school and the teacher punished the whole class for the action of one unknown perp. We need to get out of that mentality. We need to get Government’s arbitrary meddling hands out of the Marketplace, where more often than not, they are simply aiding their Crony Capitalists in stifling their competition and consumers’ choices.
            What could the Koch brothers possibly gain by stopping regulation? They would then be on a level playing field with their competitors and it would be up to the consumers of their goods and services as to whether or not they survived, instead of being up to meddlesome corrupt Politicians. Note that pollution issues need laws, not regulations, so that the violators are punished for their trespasses and the rest of the companies are left alone to do what they do best.
            Please pick up a copy of this book, Claire, and learn what’s really going on with Big Government and their Marketplace meddling — “The Big Ripoff: How Big Business and Big Government Steal your Money”.

          • DaveH

            Steve says “they will fight for total deregulation of Corporations and that includes the elimination of minimum wage and suitable working conditions if it cost the Corporations any money”.
            Why would deregulation of Corporations be a bad thing (see my comment to Claire)? If you’d read the book I recommended to Claire, you would see that regulations are one of Crony Capitalists’ favorite tools for stifling their competition. With regulations good companies as well as bad must jump through myriad complex hoops which smaller companies often can’t afford. The larger companies can afford cadres of lawyers and accountants to jump through the government hoops. The smaller companies can’t. And more often than not, the regulations are targeted to favor the Crony Capitalist companies over those who aren’t politically connected. We need to get Government out of the Marketplace so that businesses once again survive or fail based on consumers’ choices, not Politicians’ choices.
            And as far as minimum wage goes, it just increases unemployment because companies aren’t going to hire people who don’t produce more than they’re paid. Company owners haven’t invested their money to lose money. Who would purposely? You can not create prosperity with mandated wages. If it was possible, then why doesn’t government just mandate that we should all get $100,000 a year? Minimum wage laws are good for vote-buying Politicians and Union Leaders. They’re bad for the rest of us:
            http://mises.org/daily/3261

          • Thinking About

            Vigilant, from your comment you are confirming the previous comment the TP was approached by Nazi by saying they told them to get lost. Furthermore you do not deny their grandfather was part of Nazi Germany. Glad to see this portion has your verification.

          • Vigilant

            “Thinking About,” think about this for a minute:

            I have no idea whether the Tea Party was formally approached by the Nazis. What I’ve seen is Tea Partiers put down this screwy element whenever it showed up at their rallies. Moreover, any claim to draw a parallel between neo-Nazi scum and the Tea Party is so off-base as to be laughable. The tactics of the OWS, SEIU, Wisconsin unions, ACORN, and other left wing organizations are a close approximation to the thuggery of Nazi Germany and bear no resemblance whatsoever to the well-behaved and above all Constitutionalist Tea Party.

            Then you say, “Furthermore you do not deny their grandfather was part of Nazi Germany. Glad to see this portion has your verification.”

            I don’t know and couldn’t care less if Grampa was a Nazi. It has neither my verification nor denial. The current Pope was in the Hitler Youth; does that make him a Nazi? Maybe your grandfather was a child molester or serial killer; does that make you the same?

          • Angel Wannabe

            Steve, so what of the Koch Brothers??__They’ve got money and can put it where they want, if its on the side of freedom, then so be it!__At least Koch’s aren’t trying to take over America like your buddy Soro’s ___ He collapsed the Bank of England_what the hell makes you think he’s not doing it here__Man o Man you people are naive or paid well to believe and spew this shyte!__ ya just won’t believe anything until it’s too late to do something about it…..Get a grip!!!

      • Vagabond

        FF. you are so right. but. will they. probaly not till it’s far too late. obam and the democrats have them brain washed. and they are too brain dead to realise it,

        • alex

          on tv they keep talking about our hard working teachers well the brainwashing is what they are working so hard at

          • Flashy

            And you ran for School Board when?

        • skip

          I guess what I’m more worried about that another 16 were shot dead today for no good reason by those who had their guns on them ready to go. No one killed in self defense – just wantonly shot dead. Was it the guns or was it the people behind the guns? It seems there are one hell of a lot of nuts behind the guns – are they all nuts? Please tell us what is going on here – it has never been this bad – civil discourse has been eliminated, people say something outrageous and because it is simply said, it is presumably felt to be true. The nonsense of the birthers, of the continual rolling the grenade into the outhouse to see what happens is antithetical to how a democracy must work.

      • eddie47d

        Yes Freedom Fighter you are indeed “coming after” those same people and today Chip is leading the charge. You have been “coming after” the trade unionists for a mighty long time or haven’t you noticed? You make false claims that any American that doesn’t agree with you is a Communist and you are “coming after” them in spades. I have see member here say that Catholics are not a true Protestant religion and aren’t like you so you are “coming after” them too.Like little Hitlers you continually and unabashedly “come after” Gays and are so proud of it. You blame American Jews of being too Liberal and not Jewish enough for your liking so you attack them and “come after” them also. We “sheeple” are aware of your sinister and very sneaky tactics and now you are “coming after” the OWS protesters with false bravado and vicious slander. You are no freedom fighting American but a troll for the authors puke!

        • Capitalist at Birth

          What the hell are you talking about?

          • alex

            he is taking a grain of sand and trying to make a mountain of it by misconstruing what is said

          • JUKEBOX

            Evidently he is talking about people who never read the Bible or ever studied actual history, not revisionist history.

          • skip

            Deos capitalism really require that Americans shoot themselves at the rate of 16 to 20 a day or more just for the sheer hell or anger of it? It makes Iraq and Afghanistan look like a walk in the park. If that is freedom, I don’t think our nation can survive that sort of freedom. Pretty soon we’ll be shot for a parking spot at the mall – oops – that has already happened.

            And I don’t think capitalism means that we are all on our own, no protections, no getting things done for the common good. If that’s what you want, forget about roads, stoplights, education, health care, and the like. We 99% have been raped by Goldman Sachs, AIG, Countrywide Credit, Big OIl, big Pharma – if that is the capitalism that you want, bend over and ask for more of it, but leave me out, thank you.

          • DaveH

            To understand Capitalism and it’s benefits without too much effort, read this book:
            http://www.amazon.com/How-Capitalism-Saved-America-Pilgrims/dp/1400083311

            Don’t confuse Capitalism with Mercantilism which we have now, Skip.

        • Brad

          Eddie, Eddie, Eddie,

          FF has qouted the Rev. M Niemoeller and posted his thoughts on Nazi Germany and their national socialist dream, it was a warning to all Americans. No, you have to go on the attack, that’s where you are wrong Eddie, you would have us believe in your utopian left state that unions are the bread and butter of this country but you can’t see the road due to the horses azz. You can’t see today’s unions as power hungry gestapo units terrorizing Americans and forcing others to pay their salaries through forced dues, you are pethetic eddie. You can’t see they are buying a politcal system that only has their best interests in mind (unions) a corrupt political base to enslave all of America. Well eddie I’d rather die a free man then live under your so called form of socialist government, union thuggery and redistrbution of wealth.

          • eddie47d

            Apparently Brad Brad Brad is also going after what Niemoller said and doesn’t practice what he had preached! You are more in line with that person he was referring to and need to do the waking up.

          • Brad

            Eddie,

            I want nothing more than a free United States of America whereas you want a socialistic regime with Ohmama as your dictator in chief. I’m sorry you are so full of hate and discontent for what’s right and your views towards others who think differently provide their opinion. Facts speek volumes eddie, and this is what you like about unions http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPQjnPhIvDo and I can post more links to keep proving my point Eddie!!!

          • eddie47d

            Bring it on Brad for your nastiness is legendary. I think you could even give us a lesson on thuggery.

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            instead of making a complete azz out of yourself, why don’t you try proving him wrong?? Are you not able???

          • eddie47d

            That’s been done Joe now why don’t you say something important or go take a hike if you don’t know what is being said.It could have been from yesterday so Brad could only be stirring up trouble. Kinda like you.

          • Joe H.

            BACK UP YOUR BS eddie!!! Show me where in this thread YOU proved him wrong!!! You are incapable of coherant thought! Altzheimers???

        • Ronbo

          Eddie is right. You do NOT fight for democracy and freedom by attacking democracy and freedom.

          • vicki

            I will quite happily fight for freedom. Democracy is NOT freedom. Democracy is 3000 tyrants 1 mile away. Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY has a nice section on democracy.

          • operator

            Eddie’s right?? Eddie hasn’t been right about anything. Maybe LEFT…WAY LEFT

        • Lee Baldwin

          A little LONG WINDED there, eddie47. By the way, FreedomFighter says NOTHING about your beloved OWS group of misfits.

          • eddie47d

            What do you think this article is about? Making Christmas cookies?

          • http://deleted Claire

            eddie47d–I should be making Christmas cookies!! lol

        • Adair1979

          @eddie47d I don’t know who you are listen to, but you need to check your thoughts before you scramble them up for us unfortunate readers to try and make sense out of them. Your rambles tell me that you are probably one of the pubescent that get on line and try to make an argument to get attention to ones self. I wish you would educate yourself better, so you have the knowledge to carry on a conversation that lets me know you are aware of what is really going on. Best to you.

          • eddie47d

            Take a chill I’m way ahead of Freedom Fighter and you.

          • Sam

            Adair, sorry but Eddie is like so many others that think you can “legislate” your cares away. Make a law and people will have to bend to it. Doesn’t seem to work that way in the real world where We the People live and work. There are so many laws on the books now that you don’t really know how many you are breaking and they are making it harder and harder to be a “Law abiding Citizen” But when kids see thugs breaking those laws and getting rich in a depressed neighborhood where do you think their choice will take them.

          • DaveH

            Eddie is one of those people, Adair, who needs attention so badly that he’ll take any kind of attention, even negative. Poor guy.

        • operator

          WOW, eddie. Sorry, but catholics AREN’T true protestents. They are CATHOLICS!! Ask them. You are an idiot.

        • libertytrain

          Catholics are not Protestants, they are Catholics. I think the confusion is that so many oddly state that Catholics are not Christian. And that is another erroneous statement some folks keep making. And some people for some reason keep equating Protestant with being the only Christians which is of course also someone twisting ideas —- I’ve seen some silly lady saying the Catholics are fighting the Christians in Ireland. Very bizarre how some interpret things. I understand how wars are begun with all this twisting of reality going on….

          • DaveH

            Wars are begun by Heads of State to favor their Crony Capitalists and Crony Heads of State, at the expense of the duped soldiers and the rest of the countries citizens. Why else do they need to stage false flag events and other lies to get the sheeple behind them?

          • libertytrain

            for the most part I agree and filled with false information for neighbor to against neighbor.

      • Rational

        Well said Freedom Fighter.
        When there is such a backlash with name calling, against people who are exercising their Constitutional right then there is fear they are right and must be attacked. The attacks are reminiscent of the protests put down by the Communist in Budapest, the actions taken today by Asaid in Syria and the 30 years of repression in Libya.

        Your hatred exposes your hand, and the directions given to you by Koch and others who want to dominate the discussion.

        • Wil

          You know you’re on the right track when the Soros-paid trolls start calling you names.

        • Joe H.

          Wil,
          Irrational speaks like a man with a paper wazoo who likes to play with matches!!! He soon gets burnt!!!

      • demoncratwatch

        BLISSFUL IGNORANCE seem to rains supreme among the multitudes and INDIFFERENCE or “Ill worry about tomorrow”; the Scarlet O’Hara Gone With The Wind mindset seems to prevail among many others.
        Friend Col. Jeff Cooper’s Mindset “Awareness Color Code”: White, yellow, orange and red is an apt description of the states of mind . . . and with the cellphone or the tape player ear plugs in place which is the observed status of the majority one sees, they are operating in the “white” thus oblivious of their surroundings. Officers in patrol cars are not excluded, they ‘fixed’ of there cellphone conversation and thus oblivious to what is going in the neighborhoods or on the streets as they pass through.
        “SERVE AND PROTECT”? Maybe – to some extend . . . . when they get off the phone.

    • wandamurline

      He is and Bill Ayers has been there giving information and helping organize. ACORN under their new name is having morning meetings with the leaders of the agitators and a lot of the college kids that have not a clue about how to wipe their butts, are being paid as much as $500 per week to protest. Get the picture. As the old saying goes, give them enough rope and they will hand themselves….this will implode upon itself and we only have 11 more months before we can kick Obama’s can down the road. Vote in 2012 like your very life and that of your childrens depend on it, because it literally does. America cannot survive another four years of the ineligible socialist, marxist, anticolonial POTUS we now have.

      • DaveH

        Whether we oust Obama or not, our biggest problem is Congress. Without their complicity the President would be defanged. That includes a large portion of the Republicans. Witness the National Defense Authorization Bill which 80% of the Republicans and 50% of the Democrats in the House voted For, and which includes an Unconstitutional provision allowing Indefinite Detainment for American Citizens without due process:
        http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll932.xml

        We need to ride herd on the Republican Party and withdraw support from any of their candidates who toe the establishment line. People need to recognize that the politicians are frantically trying to seal the deal before the voters become fully awakened. More evidence of that is their repeated efforts to pass some sort of Internet Bill, so they can get their foot in the door for censorship of that Media which has become the greatest enemy of the Power-mongering Politicians — The Internet.

        • DaveH

          Here is how the Senators voted on the NDAA:
          http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=1&vote=00218

          Both of my Establishment Republican Senators voted YEA on this Unconstitutional Bill. We need to rid the Senate of these Freedom trampling Politicians, and we aren’t going to do it by voting for the lesser of two evils, which is still just evil. We need to start voting only on Principle until they get the message that their poor substitutes aren’t going to get elected.

          • Descendent of the Founders

            This bill is an outrageous attack on liberty. ANYONE who voted for it, regardless of party, should be voted out of office. They are supposed to represent “we the people” but clearly they are serving someone else.

            Isn’t this one of the reasons we had a revolution in the first place?

          • duaner

            Well said DaveH. I am going to make sure that my anointed democrap senators from Washington State are going to be voted out of office or recalled if they vote for this piece of sh**t legislation.

          • vicki

            Hmmm. They passed the NDAA with the indefinite detention provisions?

            Hamilton has something to say about that. Federalist papers #84 he quotes Blackstone:

            “To bereave a man of life, Õsays he,Ã¥ or by violence to confiscate his estate, without accusation or trial, would be so gross and notorious an act of despotism, as must at once convey the alarm of tyranny throughout the whole nation; but confinement of the person, by secretly hurrying him to jail, where his sufferings are unknown or forgotten, is a less public, a less striking, and therefore A MORE DANGEROUS ENGINE of arbitrary government.”

            Thus if this is signed into law we must presume that the jury box is fatally compromised.

          • vicki
        • BigBadJohn

          “Witness the National Defense Authorization Bill which 80% of the Republicans and 50% of the Democrats in the House voted For”

          Dave This is exactly my problem, I do not like democrats but republicans take away your freedoms at every turn. The patriot act was another one of their great ideas. The main reason I hated Clinton was HIS attacks on civil liberties, but what he did was kids play compared to what Bush and the republicans did.

          Keep saying we need to replace all of those democrats with republicans and we will end up just like Nazi Germany with no freedom left! Detaining citizens, wasn’t that how it started in Germany with the SS knocking on peoples doors in the middle of the night?

          • alex

            BBJ when he says elect republicans he means real republicans not RINOS

          • oldtimeyman
          • Jay

            Oldtimeyman, speaking of another 9/11, there are rumours about the dilapidated UN building in New York that would cost too much to refurbish, instead, it will be used to stage a 9/11 scenario. Your thoughts?

          • Joe H.

            alex,
            Actually, I think DaveH means constitutional conservative republicans!!

        • alex

          dave the problem is that the two front runners for president are the same as those in congress so do we gain

          • Ronbo

            Both Repubs and Dems are overwhelmingly for the wealthy and powerful. They have been captured by $$$.

        • JUKEBOX

          It will have no effect to have control of Congress, as long as you have an aspiring “DICTATOR” in office who will rule by EXECUTIVE FIAT.

    • Thomas

      If you truley believe the OWS protesters are uninformed and being misled then it is your duty as a patriot to the people to find a way to educate them ie, pass out fliers post articles in newspapers, even speak at theyre protest sites. Dont go around bashing them just because they might be mis-informed, remember these people have families and are someones brother,sister, mother etc…. it may well be they havent the resources, or just dont know where to look. They are trying to do whatever they can, and are basically fighting for the same principles as we are. Yes there are a few people within the movement that cause trouble and because of this it makes thier actions seem redundant, If you want it to change then do something responsible and find a way to inform them….Thank You for your time.

  • http://deleted Claire

    The OWS here in town are civil, no tents, etc. There doesn’t seem to be any problems with them here. They are organized, and have direction.

    • FreedomFighter

      What town is that Claire?

      I have seen a OWS without problems, and the only organizations present organizing are communist.

      Maybe we should start to educate these people to whom the real enemy is: Banker elites that own the FED, pick our presidents and force UN Agenda 21 on us, and are now in the process of disarming America.

      Once these monsters begin to disarm Americans, its over for protesting, over for free speech, over for choice, over for freedom.

      Our congresss and president has already declared war on the American people, illegally thrown out our constitutional protections, blatantly sold weapons to drug cartels and imported drugs, all in an attempt to undermine our right to bear arms.

      You see, once they start taking the guns, they can do anything just like North Korea.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • James Andrews

        That is why we can never allow them to take away our guns and our Second Amendment rights. Never never allow this to happen!

      • cawmun cents

        The wise man once said,
        “They can have my gun,When I can pry a better one from their cold dead fingers.”-CC.

        • Vagabond

          a gret big AMEN to that cawmun cents,

        • rebecca

          yes, good book, along w/ the global gun grab and sheriff macks book, the county sheriff, america’s last hope.

      • Alex

        Guns are old-school phallic symbols for the impotent and weak.

        • FreedomFighter

          Uncle Ted has a message for you Alex, foul language involved please be advised:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy8RIiTyhMI

          Freedom!

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

          • Angel Wannabe

            FF_ ya just gotta love the Nooge! :)

          • http://deleted Claire

            Okay, so Ted Nugent has guns. So what? Am I supposed to be impressed? Does this make him a “real man?” Does this mean he can shoot more animals and mount them on his walls? Does this mean the bigger the animal is, the “bigger” he is? My husband has guns and he will fight for the right to keep them, but my husband is not a braggart or a swaggart. My husband speaks softly but he sure can carry a big stick. He also doesn’t fling his guns around in public trying to be macho. Keep in mind a lot of politicians are against conceal and carry and are for stricter gun laws–including Republicans. This is not only a Democrat issue, it is also a Republican issue. The candidates running for office should be pinned down and asked what their intentions are concerning gun control. I wonder if they would give an “honest” answer, or simply “tell us what we want to hear.”

        • cawmun cents

          I wonder if you will talk so brave when the stormtrooper comes to kick-in your door,and relieve you of your teeth.

          -CC.

          • BC39

            Nice reply cawmun! You forgot to mention that the storm trooper will be carrrying a gun!

          • eddie47d

            Some of you are too extreme for your own good and would make excellent Gestapo police in your attacks against free speech and assembly. It’s only “free” if it’s your speech and your assembly. All others need not apply!

          • Brad

            And Eddie, this is the army your jack booted teamster Jimmy Hoffa Jr. is talking about, unions and its thugs, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f65xilSDyso

          • Integrity1st

            I suggest everyone watch the film on Current TV, “How to Start a Revolution”! We The People have to get organized. It has start at the local level & work up to the state level before we can even entertain the idea of a federal restructuring. Iam a multi gun owner & will die before I hand even one over, but, just for prospective, I watched a military “gunship” fly over my house the other day. After watching it fly by I had to ask myself, really, what could I possibly do with my little hunting rifle against something like that???!!

          • Joe H.

            Integrity1st,
            In Nam, we had gunships(cobras) shot down with AK47s. All it took was a determined for that got lucky enough to place a round in the right place! Usually, they paid for their luck, but it still happened.

        • Mushin

          Alice, are you SILL HERE? Well now we know Claire isn’t the only one who spends time watching the “Rosie” show! Welcome! You wanna voice your opinion don’t you?! Well guess what – we don’t really give a rats-ass what your opinion is….SO GO AWAY.

          • libertytrain

            Mushin, you’ve proved to be the fool here. You obviously don’t read posts by Claire to realize what a fool you made out of yourself.

          • DaveH

            Claire is one of a minority of people who post on this board who truly has an open mind and thinks for herself instead of following the crowd.

          • http://deleted Claire

            MUSHIN—Okay, so you think I watch Oprah and Rosie. I never watch them because I don’t have a brain the size of a pea like you do. And I do not have a “mushmouth” like you apparently have. Shooting off your mouth like you knew what the hell you were talking about. Look, if I was to kick the crap out of you, all that would be left would be a hat and a pair of shoes. So get off my case. I don’t have time to listen to your constant drivel. I have never taken any crap from anyone and I don’t intend to start now so get lost.

          • http://deleted Claire

            DaveH– Thank you.

          • Joe H.

            Mushin,
            Did you just step in something soft and mushy??? That was your big mouth getting stepped on! Claire is one of the “classy” ladies here. mess with her, you will get biatch slapped for sure!!

        • AzPatriot

          Ahhh… I think there may be a libtard amongst us.

        • sybucket

          Alex- That is about the dumbest statement I have ever heard. if you really believe what you say then you deserve all the very bad things that this administration will do to you , if it continues to get it’s way. Not the least of which is you will lose your freedom and freedom to make your own desicions. The Gove.t will decide everything for you.

        • Vagabond

          alex why dont you just stay off of this post? no one is interested in your STUPID CRAP,

          • alex

            which alex are you referring to big A or little a

        • DaveH

          Liberal comments are old-school symbols of weak minds.

        • Lastmanstanding

          I hope I can hear all of you anti-gun, big govt. progressives screaming when the govt (whose ass you have kissed for your entire lives) comes and hauls your pathetic asses away to a work camp.

          Since they only needed you for your vote…then you’ll be tossed.

        • Doug

          Use some lube Alex you need it! And I sure as hell don’t a guy against some liberal pussy like you!

        • S.C. Murf

          Just because Alex you don’t know which end the lead comes out of is your problem, so you make that popping sound Alex and everything will become clearer, I promise.

          up the hill
          airborne

          • eddie47d

            Does Murf ever go beyond making that”popping sound”. If that is all you have then maybe you are the one who needs to pull it out!

          • Joe H.

            S.C Murf,
            no danger of that poppin sound with eddie!! PERMANENT IMPLANTATION!!!

          • eddie47d

            Ditto with you Joe Blow!

          • Joe H.

            I knew you couldn’t ignore me for long eddie, the TRUTH hurts you too much!!!

      • Iris

        SO TRUE! First, they use PSYCHOLOGICAL POWER. When that no longer works, they use PHYSICAL POWER, but in order for that to be successful, they must first disarm us!

        • DaveH

          Like all Sociopaths, they will use the least intrusive forms of manipulation first, followed by increasingly intrusive forms until they get their way or we stop them cold. Hopefully that will come with words because the alternative is not a very practical solution.
          Remember — The Pen is Mightier than the Sword.

      • Pepper

        You hit it FreedomFighter, The key is education! I have been to OWS Blogs and Tweets and seen that many were mentioning “Glass-Steagull” act(witch I believe Clinton and Bush were involved in getting rid of), End the Fed and the big 6 mega banks running the corrupt banking systems. Now that is a start in the right direction. The movement has been mis-directed by some bad groups, but with educating people, the Soros gang is loosing control. Also educate them about the differences between “Capitalism and “Corporatism/Crony Capitalism”. Many are starting to “get it”. Again I want to say, If we do not protect the rights of others, we will have no one to protect the rights for us. You can’t be selective about who’s rights you will protect in “the Bill of Rights”

        • DaveH

          If we want our freedom and prosperity back, we need to get the Government out of our Marketplaces. Deregulation of the banking sector is just an illusion. They get rid of one set of regulations and replace them with another. We need stop the Government’s meddling except for enforcement of fraud laws. Let the Banks that please the consumers succeed, and let the others fail, as it should be:
          http://reason.org/news/show/the-myth-of-financial-deregula

          Regulations are typically created to help the Crony Capitalists du jour. Read “The Big Ripoff: How Big Business and Big Government Steal your Money” to find out how they do it.

      • Ronbo

        Communists? Seriously dude, you need to educate yourself. Do they really wan’t centralized production and managment of the tools of production? No. I don’t think you’ve bothered to be burdened with an education. Seriously, calling people invalid & inaccurate names is the refuse of the ignorant.

      • http://deleted Claire

        FreedomFighter–I live in south/central Illinois. And before you get started on Obama, let me tell you that I believe Chicgao should be turned into a state of its own. But the problem with that is the rest of Illinois would never get any money. Chicago would get it all, but then again Chicago always gets most of it anyway. I do not care for the Democrats/Republicans (RINOs) here in Illinois. People badmouth the Democrats but let me tell you I believe the Republicans aren’t any better. The last few governors have ended up making license plates. I certainly am not proud of that fact. In between times we did have a decent governor–Jim Edgar, who happened to be a Republican. It is a shame he will not run again, but he has heart issues. It is true, the OWS here have been very civil. They do conduct themselves with some class, not like a bunch of radical hoboes.

      • operator

        ooorah!

    • Mushin

      Please excuse Claire, she watches too much Oprah and Rosie O’donnel….pffft.

      • Karolyn

        Mushy – I think you’re pickin’ on the wrong person. Claire has been a respected member of this blog for a long time; and you don’t know what you’re talking about. Claire is one of the few conservatives on this site who is fair and balanced and who has everyone’s respect.

        Claire – I know you don’t need me to stand up for you, but this guy just pisses me off! We might disagree on some things, but at least we respect each other and our right to air our beliefs.

        • libertytrain

          ditto Karolyn – he made a complete fool out of himself with that one…

          • http://deleted Claire

            libertytrain–Thank you.

          • Al Sieber

            I agree with Karolyn and libertytrain.

        • http://deleted Claire

          Karolyn–Thank you.

      • Joe H.

        Claire,
        You have to excuse Mushin, his brain has gone mushy!!! Since he is a prog in disguise, he has a hard time telling them from LIVING, BREATHING, THINKING human beings!!

        • http://deleted Claire

          JoeH–there is a post further down the site–it is not me, The first post is by Claire and then another by ClaireM. Thats all I need- the same name. This better get straightened out.

        • Joe H.

          Claire,
          I’m sure we can tell the difference. Class tells!!

    • Flashy

      Same here Claire. No problem with the 99%ers. they are making the point that the TPers tried..and then gave up after the ‘event’ was over….(seems the TPers treated it as a fad and not a cause).

      Fact is…for the first time in my memory the Ultra Right and the Left have a commonality in what is wrong and demanding it be addressed.

      Here’s my bet. Those who are denigrating the 99%ers on this forum have never been to the protests. I have. And yes, I attended the TPer protests to see what was gong on. Yes..i saw folks at the TPer rallies packing armor. I have not seen any 99%ers packing guns. And the reason the 99%ers are being arrested? Some truly need to be hauled away. But most of them are peaceful and were arrested for merely wanting to carry out their right (and duty as a citizen) to speak and demonstrate.

      So the question which should be asked of anyone who denigrates the 99%ers…have you walked (not driven by)through one of the occupied demonstrations? If not…go sit on the sidelines and let the true Americans fight for your rights since you have no clue and are too lazy to do anything about it.

      And Chip…have you walked through any of the Occupied areas and spoken to people there? he middle class citizenry who attend the rallies and give their time when they aren’t slaving trying to make ends meet?

      fact is…most of the Occupiers are there a few hours at a time whn they can be. They are the middle class. they are your neighbors. they are the ones who care bout this country and not treat a day rally as a party and fad such as what we viewed with the so-called TP protests.

      Think about that …

      • Karolyn

        Thank you Flashy!

        • DaveH

          For what?

      • FreedomFighter

        Tea Party people passed the test for CC or in case you dont understand : Concealed Carry

        Rarely does a scumbagger

        Videos prove the brave patriots of the TEA PARTY didnt break the law like scummers, didnt defecate, didnt spread disease, didnt trash the place of protest, didnt stop commerce, didnt vandalize, didnt shout racist views on Jews, were not organized by communists and unions and were not funded by the biggest commie of all Soros.

        You as a lucy slave may have missed this.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • Karolyn

          As has been pointed out ad infinitum, there will always be a few rotten apples in any basket – even the Tea Party. There are videos out there depicting Tea Partiers as ignorant, bigoted trash due to what a few have been videotaped saying and doing.

          • Joe H.

            karolyn,
            Case in point??? Or is this another broad brush non-proof statement??

        • Flashy

          I take it FreedomFighter you have not been to a 99%er protest. You’re just a wannabe who has no backbone to stand up for anything…just whine and complain. I have been to both a TP “event/picnic” and a 99%er protest. I have seen people packin’ guns at a TP picnic. I have heard and spoken with people who would be more comfortable waring white sheets than any other garb, i have spoken to TPers who are good people (oddly enough, most said they had no idea how many lunatics were going to be at those events and they would not attend any others).

          And I have attended 99%er protests. I saw none..absolutely none of what you claim. You hate…and try to spread that hate without knowing what you are talking about…hoping someone doesn’t call you on your lack of knowledge.

          Guess what…I’m calling you on it. So pray tell..what 99%er protest have you gone to and where you personally observed any of what you are talking about in denigration and hate for those fighting for your Rights and freedoms?

          • FreedomFighter

            Im into the freedom our fathers gave us and fully support the constitution.

            I reject communists and lawless behavior.

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

          • Larry

            Flashy,I suppose your ignorance of history is understandable since your for the so called 99% but do u realize the white sheet gig was designed and brought about by the good ole democratic party and all they stood for for ever.Probably still do.U never saw anything about race bigotry at a tea party and if u say u did your a liar.At the OWS u see all sorts of bigotry.

          • Flashy

            Larry…i’ll ask you the same question i’m asking all today who are denigrating the 99%er protests…which one did you attend to find out what is true in these “facts” being represented?

            We now know Freedom fighter has never been to any so he’s full of hot air…how ’bout you?

            And as I stated…I’ve been to BOTH a TPer event and 99%er protests…

            I can state from direct knowledge…can you?

          • Alan

            I do know this – Flashy – at TEA Party events we run the LaRouchites and Anarchists off. The TEA PArty does NOT want to be associated with any non-Liberty loving group such as the afore mentioned and NAZIs or Communists. This whole idea of OWS as a whole being Liberty lovers is utter nonsense. I have personally witnessed the OWS crowd and we have engaged and what the OWS croud espouses is NOT Liberty! Liberty is above all else! I keep telling my representation, You legislate and let me worry about my Liberty! Liberty cannot be traded for security, for you will lose both and deserve neither!

          • eddie47d

            That is a tired old spiel from the right that Nazi’s aren’t right wingers and just another distortion from the author. Mussolini was a right wing Fascist and of the same cloth as Adolph. They both used the Christian faith to advance their agenda against the Jews. It was the Conservatives throughout history who used Christ’s death as an excuse to persecute and slaughter Jews. They both attacked and imprisoned homosexuals and had them visabally labeled as such.They both attacked tradesmen and unionists because they stood up for themselves and that didn’t fit into these leaders plans to have total control over the people. Turn the union workers into slave labor so they can be easier manipulated and paid less wages. Sound familiar today?

          • DaveH

            Flashy,
            So far I’ve seen no real information from you concerning what the OWS people are promoting. I’ve only seen you bragging about attending the events as if that makes you something special. The reporters attended the events also. So what? Whose words do we take as gospel, yours or the reporters? I say neither.

          • Flashy

            Depends on what station those “reporters’ are reporting from doesn’t it? I’m simply stating…I’ve been to both TPer events and the 99%er protests.

            When you can state the same, I’d say you are more informed and can make a decision based upon your own observations and conversations. to simply tag someone as a “scumbag’, “degenerate’ etc and never havig attended NOR spoke to the people in the ranks…you really can’t say one thing or the other with any sense of true accuracy can you?

            Also remember the adage in news..”if it bleeds, it leads”..which means the station is not going to give a report which does not contain some controversy. I have personally witnessed reporters covering a scene or press conference, skipping over the sane logical people just to get at the raving lunatic sitting in the far back corner having no affiliation with the mainstream conference folks.

          • eddie47d

            Just like the false claim that OWS has endorsed the neo-nazi’s. No such thing has happened and they are not welcomed.

          • DaveH

            Once again, Flashy, you have told us nothing of your observations about what OWS participants really want.
            Why is that?
            Do you think it impresses me that you attended? To some your attendance may be a badge of honor. To others it might be an indictment of your character. To me, your attendance is meaningless.

          • Joe H.

            Flashy,
            don’t have to attend when there are undoctored news films out there SHOWING the things he mentions!! I suppose you think it is NORMAL to have an instructor going around to the different encampments teaching them how to make a bigger spectacle of themselves on TV?? you think it is GOOD SENSE to surround the police arm in arm telling them if they want out, they have to come through THEM?? Yo0u think it is proper for two of them to be selling hard drugs from their tent in front of a two year old child living with them THERE??? How about the guy that shat on a police car? Or the FACT that they took over a homeless shelter meant for the truly homeless and then took a chance of spreading drug resistant TB? Was THAT ok??? THAT is spread by simple contact or a sneeze, a cough!! What about the innocent kid that walks down the street and has NOTHING to do with this crap and gets coughed on by these “people”?? give me a break, dude!!

          • Flashy

            Two comments Joe. One…and you beloieve the vids were undoctored why? The vids of the ACORN and prostitutes…the one so ballyhooed at the time..has now been proven fake and doctored. The other vids so hyped casting liveral and Dem organizations in a bad liught have been proven false and/or doctored. You believe these are clean/ C’mon….did you just fall off the turnip truck?

            Second…FOX McNews went to the NYC 99%er protest. There is a vid out there taping the reporter as he asked questions of the folks at the protests. Many were erudite and clearly stating why they were there…all concise, all clear, all logical and hard hitting. Guess how many of those interviews made it on FOX McNews. Yep … none. What did make it on McNews? A rambling, incoherent “interview” with one of the few who were challenged when asked anything more complex than their name.

            I am darned certain if I searched I can find many vids of TP interviews which show them to be lunatics. I have watched vids of town halls being disrupted because they would not let Americans talk with their Congressional reps. I have personally heard some of the wacked out lunatic ideas espoused …

            I discount the first, the second have had so many and been witnessed and commented on by every station and members of Congress etc they are more believeable than the denials…the third I believe since I was there.

            How many 99%er Protests have you been to to find out yourself Joe?

            Take note of one thing….not one person who has been to these protests, TPer, Democrat, Lioberal, etc…not one who didn’t have an agenda beforehand…supports the wild accusations made here. Not one. Yet….those that state these wild accusations, regurgitated ad nauseum, they’ve never been to one to ask and observe! NOT ONE !

            So who’s to be believed? Those who have been to a 99%er protest…be it a Conservative or a Liberal or a Moderate? Or someone who says “I’ve heard …” and not been to one and refuses to go to one to find out themselves?

          • DaveH

            Flashy says “The vids of the ACORN and prostitutes…the one so ballyhooed at the time..has now been proven fake and doctored”. Sure, Flashy, they were faked. That’s why at least 2 of the involved Acorn employees were fired — because they weren’t really guilty.
            Show us some evidence of that, Flashy. We sure aren’t going to just take your word for it.
            And you keep telling us that other posters have it wrong about OWS, but you still haven’t told us what the OWSers really stand for (in your very limited experience). I ask you again, why not? I’m beginning to think you haven’t really attended the events you claim to have attended.

          • DaveH

            Note also that ACORN, that innocent corporation, was disbanded. So Flashy expects us to believe that a rabidly political organization like ACORN would just disband rather than fight “false” charges?
            Propaganda doesn’t cut it here, Flashy. Just repeating lies over and over again won’t be accepted as truth on this board. We want real-life evidence.

        • rebecca

          jewish groups stand up for free speech at ows. a statement from jewish voice for peace ,ny ( jews for racial and economic justice.) As jewish-american organizations, WE REGRET that right wing media outlets,organizations and individuals have tried to undermine the occupy movement w/ unfounded accusations of anti-semitism!

          • operator

            Flashy,
            You’re just a name on a computer screen. “who are you going to believe?”..Sorry dude, but you could be a prisonor in “D” block with access to the internet. “I’ve been to…”; how do we know you’ve been to anything? All your spiel about “doctored” videos that you assure us aren’t real is just that, spiel. I’ve seen the aforementioned videos and I’ll believe what I see and hear before I give any credece to some mouthy lib that will never know what he’s missing by not thinking for himself. Liberalism may never die, but it can greatly reduced by thinking people who love freedom.

      • Mark

        I spent four weekend photographing the Occupy Vancouver, BC group. I was there when the two drug overdoses occurred, including the one death. I listened to one speaker after another recommend that all rights and liberties to choose anything about their personal lives be taken away from Canadian and US Citizens. I listened to the demonization of anyone who aspires to more than a subsistence level of living. I listened to naive children (and I mean 12 year olds) placed on stage to speak as if they knew what they were talking about and somehow wise beyond their years. I listened to the praises sung of totalitarian dictators and regimes of Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Lenin and Stalin and Obama. I listened to the marginalization of true civil libertarians like Milton Friedman. I watched 20-somethings stand side-by-side with 1960′s retreads like David Suzuki and espouse non-stop Marxist rhetoric, with no concern for personal liberty. The Utopian society they were demanding sounded a whole lot like the ant farm I had as a kid.

        • Flashy

          I was at the BC gathering. You must have been using some strong drugs since none of what you are saying was said. So what part of Vancouver were you in? Not that i’m saying you’re not telling the truth…but since I was also up there for a weekend to catch the ferry to the Island…it would be interesting to find out if we were there on the same time frame…

          • DaveH

            Let’s see. Who should I believe — Mark, who has actually said something about his witness of the OWS crowd beliefs, or Flashy, who so far has given no definitive analysis of the OWS beliefs, just self-congratulatory comments about his attendance?

          • Flashy

            Well Dave…other than we have someone saying he was there taking pics…and someone who is saying “it didn’t happen and BTW when were you there so we can see if dates match up’ … I’d say you should judge by who is not answering questions which would prove attendance and accuracy.

            I’m stating I have been to 99%er protest gatherings in BC, Seattle and portland…and i’ve been to TPer rallies in Seattle, Portland, and Medford Or. I have friends who have been to 99%er protests in other cities. i’m not an organizer…I conduct business in these cities and the protests are near where i have to go. So i see what’s going on.

            Now..i can name the places, i can tell you about things that were there etc. And i never heard nor saw what is being claimed.

            I’m just saying…people have yet to say they went and checked out a 99%er protest, yet they seem to “know” about all the “bad things’ … does that not strike you as being odd? As for someone saying they went there on four weekends, took photos and they recited what they”heard’…i’d love to know when they were there, where they were 9since there are several sites in BC) and would absolutely love to know how they heard speeches which weren’t held. He stated he took pics…if so, one would think he posted them somewhere ..logical assumption ? or was he just spending time and saving them for his own personal gallery? or perhaps…. those pics don’t represent what he’s saying?

          • DaveH

            So much chaff, so little wheat.
            I have yet to hear your observations about the reasons the OWS participants are protesting. At least the reporters are attempting to do that. You give us nothing but your own attempted self-aggrandizement.

          • Joe H.

            OH, I get it flashy,
            just because it didn’t happen on the days you were there, then the news (all of them) and the police and people that WERE there are ALL lying???? Man! What a conspiracy against the OWS we have, and only perpetrated by 1% as THEY ARE the 99%!!!! Sure Flashy, sure!!!

          • eddie47d

            At least he gets around. That is more than we can say about all the right wing quarterbacks sitting in their easy chairs bellyaching!

          • Flashy

            Just asking when he was there in case we had the same day so we can match up what we found and learned, and why those pics haven’t been posted, and i’ll also ask why he was the only one who heard these speeches since the protests are covered closely and no other reports of what he “saw” or “heard” have appeared. And you castigate me for that?

            Seems you should question the one who disappeared after making claims and being called on them…

          • DaveH

            You still haven’t told us your take on what the OWSers really want, Flashy. Why is that? Were you really there?

          • Joe H.

            Why should he post the pictures flashy? som people like you can say they are doctored whether or not the actually are??
            you keep saying you were there at at least three of the sites, but I hear NOTHING from you about what you DID see!!! What did you do, lay on your azz in a motel the whole time?? you don’t actually SEE much that way flashy!!!

          • operator

            Maybe Flashy and Eddie47d are sharing the same cell. Prison, funny farm, or ACORN office; you pick.

      • dan

        Agreed! Shame on you Chip for trying to stifle the right to protest and for trying to ridicule, demean, demonize, etc., etc. those folks for expressing and exercising their rights. And here I thought you understood the problem.

        • DaveH

          Protesting is one thing. Impeding business people from earning their livings, and destroying property is quite another.

          • eddie47d

            Like those protesting Patriots who dumped Tea in the Boston Harbour. Yes Democracy and the establishment of a decent Republic can be messy and is not pleasing to all parties.

      • Pepper

        THANK you Flashy! For Those that only listen to the “Lame stream Media”, You need to Get off your couch and go “see and hear” what is going on! YOU CAN NOT be selective in protecting the rights of only those you agree with, without loosing your own rights! Educating yourselves and others is the key. I live near a Marine base and I plan on getting an “Oath Keeper flag” to remind us all of our duty.

      • DaveH

        Think about what, Flashy? I’ve seen nothing but a lot of conjecture in your post.
        You said “No problem with the 99%ers. they are making the point that the TPers tried”.
        First of all, what makes you think they represent the 99%? They don’t. Secondly, what “point” are they making? I have seen little evidence to indicate that most of them have the slightest clue about what our problems really are. If they did, they would be centering their protests at the Capitols around the country including especially DC, instead of disrupting honest business people around the country.

        • Flashy

          Think about what? Dave…I’ll ask you the same question I’ve asked several here. Have you een to a 99%er protest? i find it very interesting that when that question is asked…it sorta gets reallll quiet ya know what I mean?

          The TPers went and held their one day picnics at capitals, yelled and screamed and shouted down any meaningful debate at town halls, and the Corporate interests took them over hook line and sinker and all the TP movement is now is yet another tool and mouthpiece for the Far right elite and 1%. The TP is so disconnected from the base that began it it has become almost unrecognizabvl excpet for being a tool used to manipulate and block any meaningful reform.

          The 99%ers? they’re sticking to the ramparts. they are causing issues with Big Corporate America. They are not being taken over by special interests even though it’s being tried.

          though I don’t have any basis … i do have the opinion…that if half you guys would go to a 99%er protest and talked..not fought, not argued…but actually talked with folks at the 99%er protests…you’d find much in common about what they are protesting. More in agrrement with common thoughts and opinions than you would disagree with. Far more.

          When you klisten to FOX McNews denigrate the 99%er protests…think about this one fact. The Hannity’s, the O’Reilly’s, the Limbaughs, the Murdochs, the Koch Bros, the Coulters…how much do you think they make a year/ Who do you think pays them that tremendous sum of money. Just what do you expect them to spout when the comman man TPers and the 99%ers rally against the very interests those folks represent !

          THINK ABOUT THAT …

          • El Gringo

            Flasht think about SOROS and all his Leftist minions. There are probably MORE millionaire Democrats, especially in Congress, than there are TP Conservatives.

          • Flashy

            El Gringo…..What are you guys gonna do when Soros kicks the bucket and you don’t have a false bogey man to kick around?

          • DaveH

            I asked you why you think the OWS attendees represent the 99%? In typical Liberal fashion, you didn’t answer.
            And you accuse the Tea Partiers of certain etiquette violations, Flashy, but provide no evidence of such. You certainly don’t expect us to just take the word of a Liberal, do you?

          • Joe H.

            Flashy,
            Think back to the town hall meetings and the loudest “shouters” shouting everybody down was the Union thugs!!! my daughter knows seven of the OWS kids that quit jobs to go to the encampments which makes them exactly what the people here say they are – HYPOCRITES!!

          • Joe H.

            Flashy,
            I’ve heard all you progs denegrate Rush, let’s see how much you actually KNOW! How many people does Rush employ?? How many at a good wage? I’ll even give you time to look it up, as I know you don’t know the answer!!!

        • eddie47d

          How many times do we have to protest Washington David H? They haven’t been listening and are in bed with Wall Street. Now we go after the businesses that are joined at the hip with Wall Street and demand that they stop their crony capitalism. Stop their cheating and lying. Stop their manipulating the economy to pad their already over bloated bank accounts. Stop the Banksters from continually finding new ways to gouge credit card holders and those seeking loans while they sit on buckets of money. Are you awake Dave or are you deliberately ignoring the serious problems that those ungrateful shysters on Wall Street have done to America. Go ahead and sit smugly at your computer and bury your head in what is really happening.

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            Oh, so the little mom n pop shops on the streets that the OWS are impedeing are arm n arm with wall street, now??? You ARE lame!!!

          • DaveH

            Don’t patronize them, Eddie. It’s as simple as that. If you can’t find one that pleases you, put your money together with other like-minded Liberals and start your own bank. What, too much red-tape to surmount? You have nobody to blame but yourselves for that, Eddie. Besides, it’s much easier to shoot off your mouth than to actually do something useful, isn’t it?

          • eddie47d

            I didn’t know you were in the banking business Dave? Maybe you gave them all permission to rip us off and are sitting back and enjoying it too much.

          • libertytrain

            eddie have you ever been involved in running a business or in the nuts and bolts of running someone else’s business – like the bookkeeping for instance — anyone I ever have spoken to that has not done either of these things is almost totally clueless of what’s involved.

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            Do you ever have anything real to say?

      • El Gringo

        You really are full of the commie BS aren’t you?

        • eddie47d

          ….and you are a fascist troll to the SCUMBAGS on Wall Street. That is…. if you want to play your pathetic game as the author has done.

          • Brad

            It’s called smaller government, fewer regulations, letting our economy grow beyond the 1.7% GDP now and we need to send soros back to where he came from. Of all the trolls on this blog you are the worst, calling out a persons post and for what, to call them a name before they call you one. Eddie, to me you aren’t a 60 year old god fearing man with a grandson/daughter but a young punk, paid to post your leftist swill on this site. You sir are so sad.

          • eddie47d

            Flashy is no communist and neither an I so go grope yourself to make it all feel better! Maybe when you stop writing your right wing swill we can have a mutual discussion. Until then you are the “sad one”.

          • Joe H.

            Brad,
            you might have just hit on something!! I haven’t seen eddie this upset in a long time. as we all know, the truth hurts. Perhaps eddie IS a young punk!!!

          • eddie47d

            More of Joe and his self importance! Boring!

          • Joe H.

            whatsa matter eddie? Truth HURT????

      • Brad

        Flashy,

        To bad the fleabaggers can’t make a common point all they know how to do is cry, cry, cry and whine some more then they let union thugs and the neo-navis take over their cause. Know that is sad.

    • Pat

      and your point is????

      • Karolyn

        Unless you know what you’re talking about, don’t cast aspersions. Everybody gets into an uproar over hearsay and what’s reported in the media without seeing the whole picture.

        • libertytrain

          Karolyn and you might want to remember that adage, Bloom Where You are Planted…

          • Karolyn

            liberty – I always have bloomed where I’ve been planted.

          • libertytrain

            Apparently you’ve wilted some according to your comments about SC.

          • Karolyn

            If you asked anybody who is a regular at our local little flea market (where I’ve been selling for over 6 years) about me you would only hear good things. I have bloomed quite well, given my circumstances,

          • libertytrain

            then send out some pretty buds and stop raining on your fellow South Carolinian’s parades. There are lazy people in every state (your latest accusation) including but not limited to the other 49 which does include New Jersey. Stop looking at these people as if you are in some advanced stage of awareness. Your comments about all your fellow neighbors only demonstrates you are far lower on the awareness advancement than you imagine yourself to be. Be humble little one – best go back and watch some old Kung Fu episodes to remember your humility.

          • Joe H.

            WHAM! WID A RIGHT HAND!!!!!

      • libertytrain

        her point is that where she lives they are behaving lawfully. Not hard to understand.

  • Alex

    How dare you suggest that the police dogs and fire hoses of Montgomery and Selma were a product of manipulation by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.! Pig.

    • micky.c

      Of course they were just think about it , i mean really think about it . What actually happened…..

      • libertytrain

        exactly, alex is getting his undies in a wad over nothing. Rev. King set out to accomplish something and he did and because of the fire-hoses etc, isn’t that what sent Bobby Kennedy as Attorney General into a fireball of anger and aimed to help out with Dr. King’s mission.

    • cawmun cents

      Did you mean the same way that when women and children were burnt to a crisp,in Waco Texas(heres a shout out to the FBI,and Janet Reno),they said that the folks in there set themselves on fire?

      Is that progressive social re-education,meant for the rest of us?

      The media is a powerful thing isnt it?
      Dis-information is as good as Mis-information,right?
      It all depends on who’s watching the barn,right?

      There are weasels in the chickencoop,and you dont care as long as those weasels are leftists,right?
      You are a sad,and pathetic man sir,when you co-opt the dream of MLK,and use it as a ploy to espouse leftist idealism.
      The slip of your desperation is showing.
      But then it is likely that you will wear a shorter dress,when you use any idea necessary,to whore your progressive discourse on those who want to speak against the left.
      Marxism isnt dead,but the whores who peddle it from the streetcorner are getting old so,they have to recruit the youthful colllege age crowd,the hobos,the dopers,the vandals,to help them sell it again.
      But this is old news,just like marxism,so I am out.-CC.

      • eddie47d

        The author said that MLK had manipulated the protests which is a fabricated lie. The author and yourself have been duped and are rewriting history to stir up your own brand of trouble.Maybe that should be called “reversed Alinsky” tactics. You all have become so good at it.

        • DaveH

          Eddie,
          When you call somebody a liar, intelligent people expect you to be able to back up that accusation. Where is your evidence that MLK didn’t “manipulate” the protests?
          Do you honestly think we would take your word for anything, Eddie?

        • eddie47d

          Who believes you anymore Dave when you repeat the same disgusting line? You probably ignored the real dangers that blacks had to endure back in the day.Their struggle was real and the hatred against them was even more real.I would say Bull Conners and his ilk are the ones who used violence against blacks to achieve their goal of keeping them in their place. Those were the sinister ones who manipulated that situation.

          • libertytrain

            You are reading things into things that aren’t there to read that way. Your interpretation is just that – yours.

          • Flashy

            Eddie..in all likelihood Dave wasn’t born during the days when the Civil Rights protests were being carried out. He knows only what twisted facts he’s fed …nothing based in historical fact.

          • Brad

            Flashy,

            It has been historically provin that Republicans from 1860 to apptoximately 1980′s they fought tooth and nail for black people and their equal rights. If you don’t believe me just google history of equal rights for black people. It’s been the KKK to include democrats whom have subjected black people to humilliation and servitude and segrigation. Evan today in the land of the free we are self segrigating our own society and what for, we are teaching our own children to hate through self segrigation. Atleast I’m teaching my kids its o.k. to play with a black child, a brown child, a yellow child and evan a mixed child. In my eye’s all races are equal but their are others trolling this site who will try and tell ya different. Until the day comes when a persons skin color means nothing is the day we will have racial equality, but unfortunently that day will never come, there are thoughs who can’t over come their hatetread for others with a different skin color.

          • eddie47d

            When the saints go marching in. BLA BLA! We are well aware of who belonged to the KKK Brad. Take a look at the picture at the top of the article and see where the prejudices lies. Why are “they” obsessed with black faces on this site? The OWS protesters are overwhelmingly white so why the black man standing alone with a picture of Harriet Tubman? Tubman was a true freedom fighter! I see the “hidden bigotry” all the time here how about you?

          • DaveH

            As usual, Flashy chooses to personally attack instead of citing facts.

  • Alex

    Property is Theft

    • FreedomFighter

      A slave is property, “you are a slave”

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB-HZG1Zh7s&feature=related

      Alex you are not in the big club. Listen to george on this Vid its a presentation at your level.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • AzPatriot

      and liberalism is the product of an empty mind.

    • DaveH

      Please explain that one to us, Alex. If individuals can’t possess property, then who can? In your Communist view of the world, who decides who get to use that property? Is it not people who make those decisions? What gives them the right to make those decisions? Do they make fair decisions? Why would they?
      If you can’t trust the men or women who improved the property to make good decisions about its utility, who can you trust? In Communist countries there are still haves and have-nots. The only difference is how they achieved their possession of worldly goods. In Capitalist countries they achieve their Property with their toil and by trading with other voluntary customers. In Communist countries they achieve their property by politicking — might makes right.
      There really is no contest between the two systems unless you advocate constant turmoil and political wrangling (not to mention poverty), over voluntary transactions with your fellow citizens.

      • Flashy

        “If you can’t trust the men or women who improved the property to make good decisions about its utility, who can you trust?”

        hmmmm…have you read on the issues concerning fracturing and property rights in Pennsylvania and the Mid-West regions? Ya really think those Developers live in the suburbs and urban sprawl they’ve created? Seriously?

        • DaveH

          Obviously, Flashy, you haven’t or you’d know that the accusations have been mostly unproven. The only causal links between contaminants and nearby water supplies have been due to poor casing structure near the surface, while the ‘fracking’ occurs thousands of feet below the surface. Some reason:
          http://reason.org/news/show/plentiful-fuel

        • Joe H.

          Alex,
          Property is theft??? good then we will all stop buying cars, houses, appliances, ANYTHING personally owned and see where this country and others end up!! Remember, son, it was the crash of the housing market that started this whole mess!!! Now, you don’t own anything, do you??? Cause if you DO, you are guilty of THEFT by your own words!!

          • eddie47d

            Lack of REGULATIONS Joe… Lack of OVERSIGHT Joe. When you allow the schmucks to get their hands in the cookie jar you can’t pull them out.

          • Joe H.

            The mans own words, eddie, the mans own words!!!

        • Flashy

          Dave..and that’s why the oil and gas companies want to take away proterty rights and local decisionmaking and have the state decide on the rules eh? (much more easily pliable and less enforcement prone) That’s why the oil and gas companies just want to be such good neighbors and let the local area decide.

          Uh huh … sure. There’s no truth at all to the many reports surfacing about contamination and misuse of land and waters.

          Then why is there so much effort to prevent local decision making? So you’re suggesting the state knows better than local communities what’s good for them and that the state should tell people what to do with their property? Really?

          • DaveH

            The usual non sequitur from Flashy.
            If you want to know my philosophy, just read the Libertarian Party platform and issues pages. They pretty much embody my beliefs:
            http://libertarianparty.org/platform
            Free Markets, Limited Government, Personal Responsibility, Individual Freedom, and the Peace that comes when Big Government isn’t trying to force a one-size-fits-all approach on a diverse populace.

  • Karolyn

    This disgusts me! For people to be calling their fellow human beings and Americans scumbags is, well, kind of a scumbag thing to do. Most of those writing about the OWS movement have not talked to any of them and really don’t know what they are talking about. They take their info from others like them. I’m not even saying that the OWS people are totally right in some of what they do, but they do have the right as Americans to do it. And, yes, I am sure there are hangers-on who are the types that will attract attention and reflect on the group as a whole. That happens in any group. Inciting hatred through inflammatory verbiage as a way to make a living stinks. Just keep stirring the pot! See where that gets anybody!

    • cawmun cents

      Am I calling anyone a scumbag when they defecate in the street?
      When they have sex in a sleeping bag in front of the news cameras?
      When they toss rocks at windows like vandalistic school-children?
      When they recruit the indigent hobos and drug pushers to hold their banners as they parade through town?
      When they poison the well of the minds of our youth in the institutions of higher learning?
      When they stand side by each in the spirit of defending deviancy and moral depravity?
      When they decide that capitalism(which forged this great nation,and provided all the things by which they thrive in modern America)is to blame for the woes of the world?
      When they sit nude in a restaurant,while parents and their children eat nearby?
      When they call a deviant behavior normal,in their haste to defend tolerance?
      When they have removed all that is decent and right fromm our Journalistic Bastions,and replaced it with those willing to be subjugated?
      When they claim that healthcare is a right,and then fine you for not exercising thyat right.
      When they claim that the harm to our environment is more important than the productivity of our citizens(putting the planet ahead of the people),in the name of some lost idea of saving the world?
      When they want to turn the whole idea of morality on its axis and make wrong right,and right wrong?

      You ask me if I call them scumbags?
      I think they do a good job of naming themselves.
      But what do I know?
      Apparently very little……
      -CC.

      • Pepper

        And…………You were shown all this on “The Media”. Of coarse they are showing you the train wreaks. You are being played! Of coarse there are THOSE people out there. You are only taking into account of what you are being shown. The media whores want you to be divided so that their masters can keep robbing and raping us one at a time. Again you can not selectively use the Bill of Rights for only those that you agree with.

        • Karolyn

          Amen! Isn’t that just logical common sense? Apparently, many do not partake of logics and common sense. If THEY hear it from Their favorite media, whether online or msm, then it HAS to be true. That’s why it’s important to really listen to BOTH “sides.”

          • libertytrain

            remember that too, as you continue to denigrate the people you live with there in South Carolina.

          • Karolyn

            I do not denigrate the people here; I denigrate the general climate, which I attribute to the subjugation of the people that still occurs here starting at the local level and on up to the State Capital. For instance, there is a nearby county where the “powers that be” keep industry out because they don’t want anybody coming in and paying the workers more than what has traditionally been paid. The “Good Ole Boy” network is alive and well here and in neighboring counties in NC. I’m only a couple of miles below the SC/NC border. Additionally, it is a well-known fact that those whose families have been here from the beginning do not “allow” anyone entrance into their hallowed cliques. What I have posted about the crime rates in Bible Belt states is merely an observation and is actually puzzling to me.

          • libertytrain

            Well, we’ll have to agree to disagree because if you look back at your posts all of them appear to be negative towards your fellow South Carolinians. I’m not just talking about your complaints of politics. Your problems seem to be about the people as well. I’ve had no trouble melding with the folks here. Even the “cliques” you speak of. Act like a know-it-all Northerner and you will be treated like one.

          • Karolyn

            liberty – Everything I said came from the mouths either of people who were born here and raised with open minds or those from the north who’ve been here for 20-30 years. I work with some pretty great women, all born in the south. Of course we are in human services, so they are all more people-oriented and educated.

          • libertytrain

            of course they are. Still sounds like plain old gossip – educated or not and you continue to spread it without hesitation.

        • eddie47d

          Cawmun cents has had his mind nailed shut and then cemented over!

        • DaveH

          No, Karolyn, what would be common sense would be for Pepper to provide some evidence for her point of view. It’s easy to upload video on Youtube. Pepper could show us her video of the “real” OWSers, or at the very least describe those she has encountered verbally. Instead, all we have are accusations of Media distortion with no real evidence to back it up. For sure, the MSM has been known to promote their viewpoints with Propaganda, but when I see someone accusing someone else (reporters in this case) of dishonesty, I expect to see some evidence for that accusation.

          • Karolyn

            You’re right, Dave. And even here today, we have had people with different viewpoints post about being in the same city for demonstrations and seeing different things.

          • libertytrain

            I expect people see what they expect to see to some degree. And deny that the other could have seen something different.

          • eddie47d

            Dave speaks with forked tongue. Apparently he has forgotten how many times he brought up that manipulated Sherrod tape for his own ego.

          • DaveH

            You have no credibility on this board, Eddie. Seek help.

          • eddie47d

            Still ahead of you Dave!

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            DaveH could stop tomorrow and it would still take a month for you to catch up!! He posts 98% MORE than you, he posts truth, hemakes YOU look like the liberal prog you ARE!!

        • cawmun cents

          What you knuckle heads will never understand is that I have been there when the recruiting was happening.
          I know how the game is played.
          I know how much truth is given to them before they hit the street.
          I have been on both sides of the fence.
          Thanks for calling….(dial tone)-CC.

        • Joe H.

          Pepper,
          Think back to you guys prophetic words when you tried to connect the “spit” thing with the TEA party. GUILT BY ASSOCIATION!!! If you don’t police your self and weed out the scum then you condone them! The TEA party came out right away and denounced the few that were causing trouble at their meetings. The OWS only acted AFTER they found out it was going to cause trouble!! Like the park clean-up. They only cleaned up when they were threatened with EVICTION!!

          • Joe H.

            BTW, THAT ALSO PROVES THEY COULD HAVE CLEANED UP ALL ALONG AND CHOSE NOT TO!! SO YOUR LITTLE ARGUEMENT THAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE OWS AN THE TEA PARTY IS THE TIME OF OCCUPATIONIS INVALID!!!

  • http://bobLivingston Power to the People

    Alex, are you on something this morning? Too much Koolaid..or too many visits to the hash pit.

    Will you be as brain dead when you must ask Big Bro for permission to have a car, where to live, what you can do and where you can go? Oh, but maybe that is utopia to you??

    Go find somewhere else to peddle your warped views.

  • Tom Cook

    Chip, your last comment is the most pertinent. I fear that if we do not get a true leader like President Reagan and some more good people like Paul Ryan in Congress, that the slime like Pelosi and Reid and Boxer and Maxine Waters and Shumer and the rest of the stupid greedy self-serving slime will end up causing us to have to once again nourish the tree of liberty and there seems an almost endless supply of potential offal for fertilizer: illegal mexicans, muslims, welfare trash, and the seemingly endless takers who do not understand that they are owed nothing, not one thing. Any cop who is not an Oathkeeper will be first water the tree of liberty for they are no longer the thin blue line. There is a lot of fertilizer these days.

    • DaveH

      You really think Paul Ryan will lead us to Smaller Government? Here’s how Paul Ryan voted on the Unconstitutional NDAA Bill which has a provision for indefinite detention of Americans without Due Process:
      http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll932.xml

      • http://deleted Claire

        DaveH– Paul Ryan?? Ye gods, he is the last person on earth I would want to vote for. I don’t trust the guy.

      • Joe H.

        DaveH,
        I notice my congressman LaTourette was one that didn’t vote. While I’m glad he didn’t vote FOR it, I’m PISSED he didn’t vote AGAINST it!!! He will hear from me about THAT!!

        • DaveH

          Yep, he took the coward’s way out.

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            I e-mailed him today!! I told him I would have EXPCTED him to vote AGAINST IT!!! I also told him I would keep this in mind when considering who to vote for when he comes up for reelection!!

  • Doc Sarvis

    Another difference between the Tea Party and the OWS movement is that while the Tea Party was financially backed by the Koch brothers the their like – OWS across the country is a true grassroots phenomenon.

    I AM sick of class warfare; where the top 1% have been concentrating their wealth and power to the detriment of the rest of us and our country.

    • FreedomFighter

      You sound very jealous of those making more than you.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Doc Sarvis

        Not at all. I am actually amazed that everyone is not against the wealthy concentrating our country’s financial resources and shipping our jobs overseas (at a tax break no less!).

        • Millicent

          Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors good.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Exactly, I too am against corporate welfare.

          • DaveH

            It appears, Doc, that you are against anybody who is successful. It appears that you envy the legally-acquired property of others. It appears that rather than a voluntary system of trading with your fellow citizens, you would prefer a system whereby Politicians and bureaucrats dictate who should have what.
            Yes, there are Crony Capitalists who succeed by pleasing the Politicians at their competitors, their customers, and the taxpayers’ expense. But if those are the target of your ire, you should make that clear. And those Capitalists, who are Crony Capitalists, cannot succeed without the Big Government that folks like you, Doc, advocate.
            As Government Grows, Corruption Flows.

          • Joe H.

            Doc S.
            Scratch a little deper than that thin vinear on the surface of the OWS and you will probably scratch SOREASS’S face!!! don’t give me that grass root crap. There are too many NOT in favor of it for it to be true grass root!!

        • Larry

          Again u do realize these tax breaks to ship jobs overseas have skyrocketed during this administration.You all that support obama are mindless robots who would believe anything he says.He says blame Bush so u do.I have news for u.My business thrived during Bush years and is worth nothing now.Huge difference

          • Doc Sarvis

            And YOU do realize that President Obama made a strong push to end these tax breaks to corporations shipping jobs overseas. He was blocked by the Republicans/conservatives and some Democrats. I said nothing about Bush.

          • DaveH

            I keep hearing you Liberals talk about Tax Breaks for sending jobs overseas, Doc, but you never provide any evidence to back up those accusations. What are those tax breaks, specifically?

          • eddie47d

            Yes Larry there were people who thrived under the false Bush economy. How did you feel when his economy came crashing down on all Americans. I guess all that counts is that you got your big slice of the pie!

          • El Gringo

            Doc Sarvis says:

            December 16, 2011 at 9:35 am

            And YOU do realize that President Obama made a strong push to end these tax breaks to corporations shipping jobs overseas. He was blocked by the Republicans/conservatives and some Democrats. I said nothing about Bush.

            You do realize Larry that Obama allowed his pet “Capitolist”, who runs GE and pays NO taxes, to move his medical division to China, closing out GE’s American facility and laying off all his American workers.

          • Brad

            Wasn’t it the Bush administration warning congress starting in 2001 to rain in Fanny and Freddy due to their loose financing regulations. Fast forward 2011 Ohmama deficit spending stands at 4.5 trillion and counting and to top that off Ohmamas energy department approved that 528 million dollar loan guarentee to Solyndra which so happend to go belly up. The US tax payer is dead last to receive our money back due to a renegotiation of the repayment and now we are learning that other major Ohmama donors have gotten favorable loan guarantees from the DoE which manages the program and has 10 billion to loan out.

          • eddie47d

            You forget about all the favorable loans and especially tax breaks that oil companies got to expand their businesses. Try being a little more honest.

          • Joe H.

            doc,
            Then when he had a majority in both houses, why didn’t he pass them THEN??? He has done NOTHING to stop them!! Just like he blames the republicans for blocking jobs bills when Dirty Harry Reid has 21, count ‘em 21 jobs bills on his desk that he says will never see the light of day!!! HE LIES!!! Just like what was SHOUTED from the senate floor!!!

      • Pepper

        FF, I think Doc is referring to “Crony Capitalism” Not true Capitalism. There is nothing wrong with true Capitalism and people making the wealth honestly. That is the American dream. What we have in this country at this point is Not true Capitalism, it is “crony Capitalism” which means that the top 1%ers are not playing on a level field. They get to rob the rest of us and buy off our politicians to make more “special rules” to keep down competition. Look at what MonSATANo has done to our family farms,and how small businesses can’t compete with big businesses because of all the “Rules and Regulations”. We’ll all be buying at “the company store” soon if we don’t come together on the real issues soon. Welcome to WalMart-your ONLY store.

        • DaveH

          Glad to see you make that distinction, Pepper, but I’m not so sure that is what Doc is saying. We’ll see if he answers my question.

        • DaveH

          We can best address that problem (Crony Capitalism) by getting Government out of our Marketplaces, so they have no tools to favor their Cronies with. We need to put the power to decide who succeeds and who fails back into the hands of the consumers and take it away from the Politicians.

          • Joanne

            AMEN to that last comment Dave get government out of Any business except protecting us against “invaders” which they are doing a piss poor job of ..

          • Joe H.

            Joanne,
            agreed, maybe we should let John Q Public help on THAT as well!!!

      • eddie47d

        Yet you will attack union members because they might happen to make just a few more bucks than you. They are your working class neighbors yet you beat them up in spades. You relate more to the 1% no matter how they earned their loot and then proudly denigrate folks you have much in common with.That is the terrible divide the Middle Class is faced with and seems to be acceptable behavior.

        • DaveH

          Eddie, you ignoramus, Freedom Fighter didn’t attack Union members. When are you going to take some reading comprehension courses, and stop putting words in peoples’ mouths?

        • eddie47d

          I read just fine name caller Dave or are you to blind to interpreting anything. No wonder you can be so shallow and gullible and actually that comment was for someone else. I’ll let you keep guessing who that was since you put your own foot in mouth.

          • libertytrain

            what are you talking about? You are always answering these posts whether they are directed at you or not. Are you creating an exception to the rule just for you. Be real eddie… this an open forum not a private chat room.

          • DaveH

            Show us where he attacked Union members, Eddie. It’s as simple as that. You can’t, so you equivocate. Seek help, Eddie.

          • eddie47d

            Use some of your wisdom Dave and figure it out or did you use it all up.

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            This is HILARIOUS!!! eddie is in his death throes of failure and he tells YOU to use some WISDOM!! As Buggs would say “WHAT A MAROON”!!!

    • Pat

      yup, they sure are grassroots, what a fool you are, the filthy rich that you ows people hate so are the ones that are footing the bills for you, namely george soros

      • Doc Sarvis

        I pay my own bills sir – with the money I work hard for.

        • Brad

          Then Doc you wouldn’t mind sending your share to the US treasury so they can redistribute your wealth. I do understand everyone likes to make money but when Ohmama wants to redistribute the wealth he’s not talking about the rich, he’s talking about all of us.

    • Millicent

      OWS is finance by ACORN aka Voter Fraud Organization and George Soros the puppetmaster behind the Kenyan illegally squatting in the White House.

      • Doc Sarvis

        How so? I know the “Occupy” folks in my area are not getting any checks or support from Soros or ACORN.

        • Doc Sarvis

          Or anyone for that matter.

          • Joe H.

            doc,
            how do you KNOW??? Because they SAY so??? AND you call others here gullible?!?!?!? Good Lord!!!

      • eddie47d

        They have to blame someone Doc and it’s always the same old recycled blame.

      • http://deleted Claire

        Millicent– You mean like the Koch Brothers back the Tea party? There are “backers” behind every puppet–Democrat or Republican.

    • fedup

      That’s funny. Been to alot of Tea Party functions and rallies, all of those were done on pay as you go or donations. And the OWS crowd isn’t as grassroots as you say. Follow the money….Soros;/

    • Lynn

      Did you ever get a job from someone poor? Where you should concentrate
      is on the colleges, they raise their tution to fatten the wallets of professors and the like, much more to it and tell lies about what to take in school, as the jobs won’t be there, just like being a pharmaisist, what a hoax that was.
      There is a good story some where all about it, do some research, I found it very interesting. Farming, believe it or not is where it will be at.

  • http://bobLivingston Power to the People

    Karolyn, have you actually talked to any of the protestors?

    The only unity that comes through is that they want free everything and to bring down our system. They do not have a unified theme, they do not have a unified strategy for dialogue….just protest and anarchy.

    • Flashy

      I’ve spoken to many of them PP..and many nTPers. Have you? For what you ascribe to them is far from truth…

      • cawmun cents

        The fact that what they appear to be is a Festival of Fools is apparently lost on you.
        Its not that they appear to be filthy hobos and dope smokers that bothers everyone.
        It’s that they smell like filthy hobos and dope smokers that bothers everyone.
        A lesson well learned.
        I may not be able to judge a book by its cover,but I can smell the odor of fecal matter,and identify it,without having to inspect it further.
        Marxists and hippies do not organize very well.
        If they did they could fool people easier.

        • Flashy

          Hey CC..which 99%er protest did you go to to be able to state what you are stating?

          • cawmun cents

            Re:
            To answer your question read my above statement.

            As I said,I have been on both sides of the fence.
            Would love to have pleasant discourse with you,but since I have been on the wrong side of the fence and things didnt smell too good over there,you will of course patiently understand my reasoning for not leaping over to see your side of the issues at hand.

            Not a cop out,to answer your question,I have not as of yet participated in an OWS protest.
            Nor have I protested in a Tea Party protest.
            You see,I am for closing the federal reserve.I know that both of these movements want the same thing.
            Therefore my need to protest is being met by others,while I tend to other important things which are too lengthy to discuss here.
            But I dont need a roadmap to see the effects of the differing movements.
            One goes to the electorate and changes things through the electoral process,while the other seeks to stop that which we need in order to facilitate rebuilding our economy.
            When businesses in a downtown area need to be closed because of protest and windows and parks need repair after the OWS crowd goes through,then I know where the truth of their agenda lies.
            Tea Party folks are taxed enough already,while the OWS crowd wants more taxes to pay for their criminal behavior.
            It is a simple thing for even the most sim[ple person to understand.
            IF YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND THIS BASIC FACT,then I suggest you smoke some more of whatever it is that you put in your pipe,and have a nice day.
            Cheers!
            -CC.

      • DaveH

        Oh, Great OWS Attendee, please tell us what they advocate.
        That is, if you can take the time to actually tell us something instead of polishing your attendance credentials.

      • Joe H.

        Flashy,
        you have talked to a lot of TEA partiers, HAVE YOU LISTENED??? I’m a member and all you say is BULL$HIT!!!

        • Flashy

          Sure I listened Joe. That’s why I went to several. Now…..just how many 99%ers have you spoken to when you went to a protest to find out what it was about?

          • DaveH

            Okay, Flashy, we get it (ad nauseam), you attended some OWS events (so you say). But you STILL haven’t told us what you experienced, or how the OWSers really think (in your limited sample size).
            I suspect there is a reason you stubbornly refuse to enlighten us with your vast experience.

          • Joe H.

            I’ll come right out and ask you Flashy, WHICH ONES DID YOU PHYSICALLY ATTEND AND WHAT DID YOU OBSERVE??? WHAT DID YOU EXPERIENCE?? If you can’t answer these questions then I say you are a lier and are a true FAKE!!!

          • Joe H.

            Flashy, WHAT NO SMART AZZED ANSWERTO MY POST??? FRAUD!!!!

  • http://verizon.net budman

    Chip: Would the Mr. Root you mentioned be the Mr. Root connected to the Libertarian Party?
    If so, you have a fine friend and one who knows who this President really is and what he represents. He would be far better than what we have sitting in the White House now.
    I live in Tampa, Florida. The Occupy Wall Street never took hold here or had more than a few show up. I am proud of the people of this city for ignoring them.
    I think it is known both George Soros and the Unions were paying many of these people to protest and obviously condoned by this administration by their statements encouraging them.

  • mirage

    As a demographic, the Tea Party crowd are generally made-up of a bunch of disgruntled white people (90%) who used to belong to the Republican Party, and then decided to go far right. They dress like its 2011, but they THINK they want to live like its 1776. I live in the Rockies and we have a fair amount of Tea Party people, particularly at my gun club, and they’re generally a well intended, traditional, but ignorant bunch.

    The Tea Pary wants Big Government out of our lives, until it comes to religious ideology, and THEN THEY WANT TO IMPOSE THE TENETS OF THEIR FAITH ON ALL OTHER AMERICANS (BIRTH CONTROL/ABORTION/PRAYER/FAMILY VALUES) VIA THE GOVERNMENTAL LAWS THEY TRY TO ENACT – THEN THEY LOVE BIG GOVERNMENTAL INTRUSION.
    However, the Tea Party scared the political establishment, which is a good thing, so they served some purpose. They’ve lost much of their support with the American people, except in “places” like here.

    The OWS crowd appears to be a diverse crowd of more intelligent, more tollerant people, and hopefully they’ll morph into an effective group for positive political change. Sure, OWS appears to have a few hippies, some loafers etc., but so does every group … it goes with the territory.
    I applaud the OWS/”Get Money Out” crowd for spending their time, energy and money in literally taking to the streets and trying to take on our corrupt political system, the same political system, which the Tea Pary has now it seems, joined.
    Without fundamental change to our corrupt political system via social movements like those discussed, it doesn’t matter if a guy like Ron Paul wins the presidency … one man cannot change the filth we have in Washington, nor the unabated 30+ year assault on the middle class.

    • Warrior

      Ron Paul or just go back to sleep! Dr. Paul is the ONLY candidate that is COMPLETELY honest.

      • Millicent

        Ron Paul is the only candidate that is completely nuts and a senile old fool

        • DaveH

          How so, Millicent? And please, before you try to pass off your misinformation, keep in mind that you won’t get away with it. So, I’d suggest you look up Ron’s actual agenda before you answer me.

        • http://deleted Claire

          Millicent–And may I ask how old you are?

          • Joe H.

            Claire,
            he is probably 18. you know how it is, can’t trust anyone over 25!!! LOL!!! RON PAUL/ANDREW NAPOLITANO 2012!!!!!

      • http://youtube.com/rustycrawford Father of 4

        You are right on… Ron Paul is the only intelligent person there. He is the only one who is not in the bankers pocket, and the only one who would dare to take on the banks since Lincoln and Kennedy who both started zero percent interest Green bucks and the silver certificate to run the government, and both were killed.

        • DaveH

          We are lost until people come to the realization that the bankers could do nothing without the complicity of Big Government. It takes two, you know, the Politicians and their Crony Bankers or other Cronies. Not all bankers are bad people.
          Please read this book to understand better that Real Capitalism (Free Markets) is not the problem. The problem started when we allowed Mercantilists to infest our Government over 150 years ago:
          http://www.amazon.com/How-Capitalism-Saved-America-Pilgrims/dp/1400083311

    • Millicent

      Spoken like a true Communist. Jerk

      • Karolyn

        Spoken like a totally close-minded conservative. I refuse to stoop to the level of using deorgatory terms.

        • DaveH

          You’re kidding aren’t you, Karolyn?

          • libertytrain

            she has to be. I’m beginning to almost be amused at how it’s ok to be derogatory if she is doing it. After all, it’s not apparently derogatory under those circumstances. Please karolyn read your own posts with you own mind open to the words you so frequently write and think about what it appears to others. Remember, words are the source of much misunderstanding – use them with caution.

          • Karolyn

            I challenge you to find one of my posts where I have called anyone a moron, jerk, stupid, scumbag, fool, etc.

          • libertytrain

            those are not the only derogatory words that can be used. Go back or just start reading all that you write. Like I said I don’t disagree with all you say or agree with all you say but not everything you write has that Pollyanna approach – though so many do – I have witnessed you snickering quite a bit with a few posters. You are not without sin.

          • DaveH

            Your magic mirror is lying, Karolyn. You are not the fairest of them all.

          • eddie47d

            She has always been more honest than you Dave.

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            Did that hurt your nose??? Those sudden stops must be agony for you and karolyn!!!

  • Mike

    If congress would do someting usefull instead of woring about a woman and shipping job over seas, we would not be in this bad of shape. I want all tea party out of office. Any one how does not look after the Middle class needs to be gotting drum out of office.

    • Millicent

      That would mean the Kenyan illegally squatting in the WH and the rest of the Dems/Commies and RINOS.

      • eddie47d

        Ms name caller…so darn many of you! The President was elected fair and square and by a wide margin. You don’t have to like him or anybody else so please feel FREE to vote him out but at least stop the lying.

  • clarence swinney

    SCUMBAGS ARE THOSE ON THIS FORUM WITH WOOD FOR BRAINS LIKE CHIPPED WOOD
    MARCHERS ARE PROTESTING
    20% OWN 85% NET WEALTH————–80% OWN 15%
    20% OWN 93% FINANCIAL WEALTH——–80% OWN 7%
    20% TAKE 60% INDIVIDUAL INCOME——70,000,000 TAKE 13%

    1980-2011 WE BORROWED 14,000B—-WE DID NOT TAX TO INCREASE REVENUE TO PAY OUR BILLS BUT CUT REVENUE VIA TAX CUTS THAT CREATED MILLIONAIRES TO BILLIONAIRES TO ZILLIONAIRES.

    IN 2010-TOP 50% PAID “ABOUT” 10% OF TOTAL INCOME IN INDIVIDUAL INCOME TAXES..THAT ITSY BITSY POOR GOT 87% OF TOTAL INDIVIDUAL INCOME.
    TOP 400 INCOMES PAID 1/100TH IN PAYROLL TAXES. 135 MILLION PAID 6.5%
    JOB CREATORS????GOT RICH BY HARD WORK? TRY GAMBLING. CREATED LOWEST NUMBER OF JOBS SINCE HOOVER. PRAISE ALLAH! YOU AL.

    • Robert

      Clarence, are you an idiot or is it just a well polished act ? Hard to tell from here.

    • Mark

      The solution to improving the wealth of all is NOT to further concentrate the wealth and the power in a large bloated central “progressive” “statist” “liberal” government. The first 150 years or so of the US demonstrated that. For the last 80 or so years we have increased central power and viola! Concentration of wealth followed right along too! The media tell you otherwise but if you open your eyes and study some history you can draw your own conclusion. Powerful governments have never, ever in the history of mankind benefited the people. Obama, The Bushes, Pelosi, et. al. feed our money to their friends only.

      • DaveH

        Either you’re schizophrenic, or there are more than one Mark posting at Personal Liberty. Would you consider further qualifying your Userid so we can tell?

  • SMsgt Z(ret) Nam 68

    None of you ever visited any of the Occupy Wall Street site anywhere is the US; your opinions are based on what some Millionaire pundits spouts.
    In Wisconsin the people fighting back and there movement is not Tea Party driven.
    The 99% will survive

    http://front.moveon.org/breaking-wisconsin-gathers-over-half-a-million-signatures-to-recall-gop-governor-scott-walker/?rc=daily.share&id=33869-1809022

  • http://bobLivingston Power to the People

    I do agree with Karolyn that we must have civil conversation about the ills of our society. The political powers to be are in league with certain other ruling class powers…no doubt there! Both parties are guilty of screwing us all while smiling, pointing fingers and saying it is the other guys fault.

    We need to fight for term limits, get the swine from both sides out of Washington, elect good, ethical people at the local and state level. Demand that our financial books are in order. Live within our means as any family would do. Demand and end to all the billions given away to other countries that we do not have while we are…and yes we are broke!

    Demand the media stop the charade of giving us twisted news and fanning the flames of discontent, racism, class warfare and political warfare.

    We can do it….just role up your sleeves and get to work. Encourage your family, friends and neighbors to get active and stop being the silent majority.

    Lets Role!

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLIniois

    Alex you are a dumb ass.

    • eddie47d

      Showing your intelligence all at once Sean?

  • skyraider 6

    A partime Congress might work, seeing we have a partime President. Let them go back home where the folks can watch them and converse like normal citizens.

  • Patriot

    Chip – Exactly! I could not have expressed this any better. I am a small business owner that has played by the rules and work hard every day to keep my little piece of the world going. It seems the rules, over the last few years, change on a daily basis and I am more unsure of our future than ever before in my life. I continue to be optimistic but, this becomes increasingly difficult.

    I hope and pray for my country and hope that people will start to appreciate our traditions and dreams. May the American Dream never be taken for granted and we get back to the values and principles that made us great. When need leaders more than ever before, tell me where have all the leaders gone?

  • Millicent

    OWS was finally kicked out of Zucotti Park in NYC. Bloomberg finally grew a pair. Good riddance to trash.

    • Wild Bill

      The people expressing anger, fear and guilt and trying to shame others are the ones who are the most manipulated. If you think the OWS people are stinking hippies, you really need to stop watching television, or at least stop watching Faux News. We know who controls the major networks and where their allegiance lies. We know that banks illegally own the networks and we know who controls the banks and where their allegiance lies. Take your money out of the banks and put it into credit unions. Some news sources are a little less controlled. Democracy Now is fairly level headed, but rather boring. Dr. Rachel Maddow puts on a rather good show, but she is still a tad controlled. Well, so is Amy Goodman. There are certain important issues they won’t even touch. Do you seriously think that “Israeli” and “Israelite” mean the same thing? They don’t. Remember the Samaritans? They were Israelites. They weren’t Jews. They practiced a purer form of the same religion. What do you call an atheistic communist from southern Russia or eastern Ukraine? Look up “Kazaria.” God gave the land of Canaan to the Israelites, not the Jews. The United Kingdom gave a part of Palestine to the “Jews,” and that faction, run by the Kazarians, named the country “Israel” to the OUTRAGE of many Torah Jews. Look at nkusa.org sometime. The state of so-called-”Israel” is an affront to many Jews, and it is NOT the “ISrael” the Bible tells us to support.

  • higherpotential

    Who knows what OWS will lead to? I do…. nothing but an expense notation on someone’s income statement.. WOW..

  • dan

    Well, I have been logging into this site since April. One common element I have read on these threads is the discontent with our Elected Officials. Not that everyone agrees on solutions, but just about everbody agrees that change is necessary. The Tp’ers and the OWS folks, both have exercised their right to protest. My question is why are some of you folks discounting the effort. How else are we to get results peacefully? I am open for suggestions.

  • DaveH
  • jopa

    I wasn’t really wasn’t even sure who the i% folks were so I googled it and found out it’s the group that made a minimum of $516,633.00 in 2010.I really believe that 99.9% of the people on this site don’t make that kind of money so the OWS people are actually fighting on your behalf.Please donate today to the OWS your future depends on it in many ways.

    • Joe H.

      jopa,
      they only represent me if I agree with them!! I DON’T!!! REPRESENT YOURSELF AND LEAVE ME ALONE!!!

  • cawmun cents

    Folks who feel that they are taxed enough already are seen by the left as stooges of the rich.
    Meanwhile back at the front,the community organizers with marxist intent,rally the indigent hobos and dope smokers to poiint out the fact that the rich only want to get richer.
    Wow,now that is intelligent discourse right there.
    You dont think they got rich by wanting marxists to control how they spend their money,do you?
    Tired old arguments,tired old marxists whores.
    Poor marxist progressive hippie prostitutes,who believe that Americans want to relive the sixties,in the 21st century.
    That has been their mantra all along.
    If they can get more people to think: make love,not war,then it is easier to put a joint in the end of your gun and cry mercy for the marxist.
    Sad that they never grew out of that particular sentiment.
    Instead they say”Appease the enemy”,and”Protect our right to be deviant”.
    And they wonder why the world sees them as hobos and dopers.
    They even have the brass testicles to call themselves the 99%.
    99% of nothing is still nothing.
    But if you yell a lttle louder,(the cheerleaders cry out)maybe somebody will listen.
    To what?
    Old news that you want to portray as new news?
    Hilarious.
    -CC.

    • eddie47d

      This year income for the 1% went up 27% while few Americans even got a 1% raise. Class warfare, yes indeed and the 1% are taking us for a wild ride and treating everyone else like “scumbags”. Yes cawmun cents you have little cents and support upper class trickery.

      • cawmun cents

        Yes eddie47d,and when the real marxists come to power,instead of these fakers you have posiing as the 99%,what will you do when they decide to whittle you down to 15%?
        You will whet your britches,thats what you will do.
        By then whatever you want to have occur at this time will have already spelled your eventual demise.
        Dont you see that?
        These people who you praise as your heroes will likely want you to die for their great version of Amerika Socialiste.
        You will say I am crazy and that that is not their intention but in every case where it has reared its ugly head millions have paid with their lives.
        Perhaps you wwish to join those millions,but it is possible that some of us(knowing the eventual outcome)do not.
        You can poke fun at us if you like,but it has happened to masses in other places.
        I dont wish to join them in the death of my nation.
        -CC.

  • DavidL

    Wow, Chip. You are way over the top with hate and invective today. Scumbags? These are our fellow citizens who have just as much right to hit the streets in protest as your Tea Party friends. Both groups have First Amendment rights to protest and seek redress, however wrong headed you believe they are, and have the obligation to do so in a lawful and peaceful way. If not, the law must step in to protect public safety and property.

    Your fact-challenged article promotes ignorance, hatred, and division. These are not the things that help our society come together in the spirit of tolerance, understanding, and cooperation. Shame on you. Behave yourself, and start acting like a mature adult. Your children are watching.

    • Brad

      DavidL,

      You should read the first amendment again because no where does it give us the right to protest. here is my proof “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”.

      • Flashy

        There ya have it folks ! Tea Partiers are against the right to protest! Since one has stated it is not a Constitutional Right to be able to protest…i mean, they ALL do..and such is what the TP movement is about ! Right? And such is why you can denigrate the 99%er protests..because there was one person…in some city and because you saw it ona vid somewhere sometime…who said something off the wall…the entire movement is now cast as believeing and supporting it 100%.

        Wow … the TPers stating the Constitution holds no Right to protest…

        • DaveH

          Therein lies your problem, Flashy. You are a bigot. Brad makes a personal statement and you assign his beliefs to all Tea Partiers.
          And you expect us to fawn over your perceptions of the OWS movement? Obviously your judgement is flawed.

  • http://youtube.com/rustycrawford Father of 4

    Mr. Chip Wood, did you attend any Occupy events. Did you smell or experience any of the things you are writing about. I went to Wall street, Philly and D.C. and the good people at all there were as clean as I was, Yes there were some who smell just like my 25 year old son, who does not take frequent baths. But the Point is Each one of us on the planet is responsible for themselves, their thoughts and their actions. Most of these individuals can figure out computers, and win at most computer games when they know the rules. Please watch secrets of the federal reserve and maybe you will learn what is really going on.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul3Iyq1i_30
    The system has been rigged since 1913, when the same London Bankers who are the stockholders of the Fed, who get all the interest, who can not sell their stock, but only pass it down their blood line. The same few that pay off all presidents, congress men and senators. It is this part of the one percent that people are upset about. If you were a cell in the body and decided to keep the blood and not circulate it, but only hoard the blood until you are a massive blood blister, as all the other cells in the body wilts, you say, the others cell are not working hard enough, its their fault. We need a system that is fair for everyone, that gives everyone a chance to have a decent life. That means you get what you need and you work for the extras. there is enough money in the world for everyone to be a multi millionare, but only a few are sitting on trillions, just in case things get bad, while the rest of us are hunting for someone who has any money to work for. I own a company by the way, and understand how the sick fiat fractal banking system works. Tell me why the whole world is in debt to who? the Feds and IMF have ruled all presidents since 1913.

    • FreedomFighter

      Luciferian bloodline you mean. Yes sir, you are correct, they want us all slaves, at least the ones left alive after the 90% population purge.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • r.p.

      Just like Dr. Paul espouses: “The Federal Reserve is 90% of our problem”. End the FED and you take a big bite out of “CronyCapitalism.”

  • Capitalist at Birth

    What a waste of time to read the posts here today. Good Day.

    • http://youtube.com/rustycrawford Father of 4

      Yes and your post is one of them.

  • Ken

    The ultimate goal of the true elite is to divide us. It’s working. Look at things this way, when you wake up from a long sleep, it takes time to orient yourself. Americans have been sleeping for a long time. The OWS crowd woke up and saw injustice and lashed out. However, they are not yet oriented or educated to what’s been happening. There may be communists among them, but I don’t think that it’s the bulk of them. The bulk are protesting true injustice. They have no quarrel with the small businessman only the large corporations that seem to own our government. The largest and most powerful of these corporations is the Federal Reserve. They are responsible for our current economic situation and OWS is protesting against them. Does any body here realize that walmart corporate policy is to give their employees under 40 hours a week in order to avoid paying health benefits? walmart then pushes them off on us to be paid for by medicaid. In addition, they take out life insurance on their employees and collect it upon their deaths. How’s that honest business? Small businessmen jump on the anti OWS bandwagon then complain when walmart comes to their town and destroys their business. The point is this, if you’ve tried to start a small business in America, you quickly realize that we have a monopoly problem here. We have a union problem here. We have stifling regulations here. We have an unfair tax code here. That’s why 9 out of 10 small businesses fail. Notice the problems are bipartisan. GE pays no taxes and that’s not fair. walmart drives mom and pop businesses out of town and that’s not fair. Unions drive small contractors out of business and that’s not fair. Meanwhile, we divide and they continue to have their way.

    The smart thing to do would be to talk to OWS. I have ,and for the most part, we’re really not that far apart on the economic issues. Let’s stop insulting them and instead work with them to topple the corruption running rampant in our government, on wall street, and in large corporations. Let’s work together to audit and finally end the Fed. Let’s go get their votes and bring them to Ron Paul. They will vote for him and we need those votes. obama’s a wall street stooge, but so is Romney. newt wants thumbprints in order to buy a gun and he’s for a national gun registry. We can all unite behind Dr. Paul and get our country back. But, not if we keep insulting one another. Let’s unite and get our freedom back. Quit posting here and go to the OWS websites and start a dialogue and civil, respectful conversation. They will talk to us. I know, I’ve been doing it.

    • FreedomFighter

      I will not help them bring on Communism, Facism or socialism, if they wish to restore the constitution, liberty and freedom…well thats a different story.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • eddie47d

      Thanks Ken for there are those here who crave the conquer and divide and sometimes we do REPLY in kind. Until they/we can see the common complaints neither side will grow or be a voice for change.

  • Scott in SC

    If people would study hard, work hard and make good choices they could be successful too. Here’s the proof….

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/six-waltons-more-wealth-bottom-172819426.html

    • Ken

      The Waltons are hardly a good example of working hard to get what they have. Maybe in the beginning. Now, they just accumulate through a giant monopoly.

      • libertytrain

        Funny, I read your comment and I immediately thought of the old TV show and was thinking – they were always hardworking in the life portrayed on television. Night John Boy.

      • Scott in SC

        Ken that was my tongue-in-cheek point. The only thing these folks did was be born.

  • http://Boblivingston Gottaplenty

    It becomes harder and harder to read any good sense into some of this OW crowd’s inexperience in real life and nothing but parroting their commie leaders. Such as how many stated they saw TP people carrying weapons to the demonstrations. First thing comes to mind is they must have wandered in on a spagetty western being filed or back alleys in NY or SF . First thing if they were packing , you never saw one dam gun being flashed any place. They abide by the rules for carry permits.These ow’s sound like we returned to the wild west. If we had they would not be around long. How many of those OW creeps would you want running your buisness ,or for that matter , the Govt.

  • Bob Womack

    I live and have a business in the Philippines. The middle class here live really well on 400 dollars a month. Only about 2% of the homes have air conditioning, maybe 40% own cars. and very few own their homes. It is a constant struggle to make ends meet for the Filipino worker but they don’t grumble, rarely protest and when they do it’s about the politicians. (Now that sounds familiar.) These people still have a work ethic, wish OWS did.

    • eddie47d

      I’m retired but my wife is recently unemployed. I have been to 2 OWS demonstrations(she hasn’t). She has a very strong work ethic and so do I so you are extremely wrong in calling people out like that. The Middle Class unemployed have been shortchanged by those Elites that the OWSs are upset about so clean off your glasses and see the real problems that they are bringing up.

      • Joe H.

        Yeah eddie, I know “I can’t get mine so I want YOURS!!!! you and your wife want yours??? Get up off your azz and work for it eddie!!! The guy down the street from me retired ten years ago and what does he do? does he lay around lamenting he can’t make it?? HELL NO!!! He does auto work on the side and stays active!! He’s healthy, 76, and gets around better than I do at 61!!! guess what eddie, he owns a mercedes, a beautiful firebird, his house is paid for, and he even helps his kid!!! you know why? HE’S GOT A WORK ETHIC!!!

      • DaveH

        Eddie, you’re a condescending ignoramus. Imagine that. You are one of the “elite” who thinks they know what’s best for others and will use Government in an effort to Force their ways on others. Without the aid of your kind, Big Government would shrink dramatically and those “elite” that you claim are suppressing others would be powerless. The Crony Capitalists have power only because the Government uses its Coercive Force to aid them. Without Big Government’s Intervention in the Marketplace their only power would be to please the consumers or go out of business. Thanks to Ignorant Liberals like you, Eddie, who the PTBs can lead around by the nose, the Marketplace isn’t on a level playing field. And it won’t be until we get Big Government out of the Marketplace.

  • hitthedeck

    It is easy to see how a party with a Jackass for a mascot can be hi-jacked by Marxism. They follow the lead for their mascot and the prospector that loaded the Jackass with shovels and picks to use for digging the wealth out of the pockets of successful Americans. Those pockets hold the capital that puts thousands of Americans to work and produces the products of America. Empty those pockets and this country and its people will be without incentive or will to be anything less than a card carrying communist.

  • http://youtube.com/rustycrawford Father of 4

    I was called for lunch, when I started writing, so I started typing like a mad man, and made errors above. exchange “and the good people at all there were as clean as I was” to “most of the good people there was as clean as I was.” I met a 84 year old lady who was incredible, she had a sign for all the other seniors, to get off their rockers and come join the peaceful revolution against corporate greed. Their gig of running things for 98 years is about to change. The earth is changing to a positive place, and the hoarders, the controllers, and the greedy, will be looked down upon in a new age of integrity, and self responsibility. People want to work at what they love to do. I asked a hair salon lady on her lunch break out side a store she worked at. I asked her “if she could do any job in the world that she loved to do, and could not wait to get up to get to work to do that job, because you love doing it. she said cooking for others. She was working for money to pay bills, and not working for the pleasure of giving, and helping others. Some were there is a cook hating his job, but doing it to survive. Our system has been to beat down every one. Law use to be to serve and protect, now it’s all about the money. The only law in the land is UCC code, corporate contract law. http://spiritualeconomicsnow.net/?p=5

    I will leave you with this to ponder.

    The 545 People Responsible For All Of America’s Woes

    By Charley Reese

    Politicians, as I have often said, are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

    Everything on the Republican contract is a problem created by Congress. Too much bureaucracy? Blame Congress. Too many rules?

    Blame Congress. Unjust tax laws? Congress wrote them.

    Out-of-control bureaucracy? Congress authorizes everything bureaucracies do. Americans dying in Third World rat holes on stupid U.N. missions? Congress allows it. The annual deficits?

    Congress votes for them. The $4 trillion plus debt? Congress created it.

    To put it into perspective just remember that 100 percent of the power of the federal government comes from the U.S. Constitution. If it’s not in the Constitution, it’s not authorized.

    Then read your Constitution. All 100 percent of the power of the federal government is invested solely in 545 individual human beings. That’s all. Of 260 million Americans, only 545 of them wield 100 percent of the power of the federal government.

    That’s 435 members of the U.S. House, 100 senators, one president and nine Supreme Court justices. Anything involving government that is wrong is 100 percent their fault.

    I exclude the vice president because constitutionally he has no power except to preside over the Senate and to vote only in the case of a tie. I exclude the Federal Reserve because Congress created it and all its power is power Congress delegated to it and could withdraw anytime it chooses to do so. In fact, all the power exercised by the 3 million or so other federal employees is power delegated from the 545.

    All bureaucracies are created by Congress or by executive order of the president. All are financed and staffed by Congress. All enforce laws passed by Congress. All operate under procedures authorized by Congress. That’s why all complaints and protests should be properly directed at Congress, not at the individual agencies.

    You don’t like the IRS? Go see Congress. You think the Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms agency is running amok? Go see Congress.

    Congress is the originator of all government problems and is also the only remedy available. That’s why, of course, politicians go to such extraordinary lengths and employ world-class sophistry to make you think they are not responsible. Anytime a congressman pretends to be outraged by something a federal bureaucrat does, he is in fact engaging in one big massive con job. No federal employee can act at all except to enforce laws passed by Congress and to employ procedures authorized by Congress either explicitly or implicitly.

    Partisans on both sides like to blame presidents for deficits, but all deficits are congressional deficits. The president may, by custom, recommend a budget, but it carries no legal weight. Only Congress is authorized by the Constitution to authorize and appropriate and to levy taxes. That’s what the federal budget consists of: expenditures authorized, funds appropriated and taxes levied.

    Both Democrats and Republicans mislead the public. For 40 years Democrats had majorities and could have at any time balanced the budget if they had chosen to do so. Republicans now have majorities and could, if they choose, pass a balanced budget this year. Every president, Democrat or Republican, could have vetoed appropriations bills that did not make up a balanced budget. Every president could have recommended a balanced budget. None has done either.

    We have annual deficits and a huge federal debt because that’s what majorities in Congress and presidents in the White House wanted. We have troops in various Third World rat holes because Congress and the president want them there.

    Don’t be conned. Don’t let them escape responsibility. We simply have to sort through 260 million people until we find 545 who will act responsibly.

    • Ken

      Acting responsibly includes not being for sale (I hope).

  • Biker Mike

    I have been to the OWS protest in Portland.
    In just the hours before the Port of portland protest they arested 4 OWS mebers on there way there 2 with loaded firearms and no CC permits as they where ex felons. 2 others with stolen cars on there way to the protest.

    This is the type that are the OWS crowd. They also bring young children and put them in harms way.

    • hitthedeck

      Biker Mike when this OWS thing started several months ago I predicted that the in fighting for leadership from the movement would eventually expose itself. The strongest of course would be the one that could be feared and have the financial strength to support bail and food for the brown shirts that take orders from Mr. Mystery Man.
      Mr. Mystery hasn’t stepped forward yet to indentify his self, but he will eventually appear after the individuals that are leading different causes within the movement are eliminated. I could almost predict that he will be affiliated with a Union or the American Communist Party. I also believe he will have the blessings of the Chief Community Organizer in Washington D.C. Of course his power brokering could prove deadly from those who are competing for power. He could be putting his self in a Jimmy Hoffa position and suddenly disappear. His adversaries could be patriots.

      • eddie47d

        Unions weren’t even involved the first two weeks and lay off this communist kool aid crap Hittedeck. Standing on the far right hardly gives you an equal voice to moderates who have exposed Wall Street and Washington. You are no different than the “enemies” you see.

    • http://youtube.com/rustycrawford Father of 4

      you said you been to the OWS protest in Portland, so you were part of the OWS crowd that you are trying to degrade, when you state “This is the type that are the OWS crowd.” You do not make sense. As you see, everyone is responsible for them selves, if someone shows up, they are responsible for them selves. you are saying because of the actions of they few, you yourself classified them and you as the same. You do not realize you and they are the same. We are all a equal fragment of creation, and we all deserve a equal chance to have the life we desire, with out the interference of the rigged monopoly banking game, or at the ignorance of others.

      • hitthedeck

        Father of four you sound like the old assumer making an ass out of his self! A typical liberal who can’t understand why normal isn’t normal and truth is abstract.

        • http://youtube.com/rustycrawford Father of 4

          the post was directed at Biker Mike cutting down OWS. I research a lot and know how the law and bank systems work. I did videos for the American Law Association in the 80′s, and also did videos for judges, who I became friends with, and they all say law has always been about the money. The evidence shows it. check out this research, which is the tip of the iceberg. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul3Iyq1i_30
          or type the library of congress historian – Eustace Mullins – Secrets of the Federal Reserve (FULL). It’s wake up, time.

      • hitthedeck

        I do agree that you are a fragment!

        • Karolyn

          As are you! We are all a part of the whole, much like cells in an organ.

          • DaveH

            Some of which are cancerous. We need National Chemo.

          • Karolyn

            Yeah, right, Dave, Just get rid of all the people who don’t fit what you think is the way someone should be, think or feel. Wow, what a boring world that would be.

          • libertytrain

            yes it would be a boring world, but what about all those folks that don’t measure up to your Jersey standards…. hmmm.

          • DaveH

            I’m talking about the cancer that is people using Government to force their desires on other people, and which will ultimately collapse our once Free country.

      • Joe H.

        Father of 4,
        There were a good many people that were in DC at the TEA party that were not part of the protest, they were GOING to defame the movement. Now if they were here right now and said something bad about the movement would you say they were saying it about themselves???

    • Flashy

      Guffaw….seriously? And you know they were on the way to the Port Protest just how?

      What park in Portland were you at in the 99%er protest? Care to explain how you, amongst the many here in Portland, are alone in knowing this information? If you went to the Port protests..what gate did you go to?

      I’m calling BS on this one. Pure and simple…total BS.

      • DaveH

        You still haven’t said anything real, Flashy. What good did your attendance do if you can’t describe your observations to us? Do you think your attendance, by itself, makes you something special?

        • Flashy

          More special than say…someone like you who hasn’t a frippin’ clue about what the 99%ers are about. Tell you what Dave…you go and mingle with the crowd at the 99% Protests…then you can speak with some knowledge instead of parroting false claims. And if you choose not to find out for yourself, then perhaps you should go sit in the bleachers …

          • DaveH

            Only in your mind, Flashy. You still haven’t relayed your observations to us. Are you afraid?

          • DaveH

            And I’m still curious to know why you feel your small-sample size experience and obvious Liberal bias would make your observations any more reliable than those of the News reporters?

          • libertytrain

            remember dave the flashman only see flashes, not the whole story…

          • Flashy

            Well, so far…anyone who has been to see and talk to the 99% protesters hasn’t supported the wild claims being made. Those making those wild claims…well, not one has been to a protest to talk and see for themselves.

            Kind of tells the whole story in a nutshell eh?

          • DaveH

            The story, Flashy, is that here we have a Liberal who thinks that his limited experience (if there even was any) with OWS protests is more valid than that which is on the News. Yet, he won’t even tell us what the folks he encountered (supposedly) really believe. What is wrong with this picture?

          • Joe H.

            flashy the fraud. I’ll ask again. WHICH WERE YOU PHYSICALLY AT AND WHAT DID YOU SEE??? WHAT DID YOU HEAR???

    • SMsgt Z(ret) Nam 68

      Sorry but were can I find a record of the alleged weapons caring Occupy Wall Street protesters being arrested in Portland. Could you supply a link;if not then I understand.

      • Flashy

        LOL..it didn’t happen Sarge. The statement is a total fabrication.

    • rebecca

      if they were armed, they were not members but intruders who did not belong there as ows promotes non violence.

      • Joe H.

        rebecca,
        OHHH! So the people that were carrying nazi signs at the TEA party movement WERE members, but the armed men weren’t members of the OWS cause they were armed??? GET REAL HYPOCRITE!!!

    • rebecca

      those felons did not belong there and those kinds of people ARE NOT PART OF THE MOVEMENT! the occupiers are not in control of who enter the parks! plants have been know to infiltrate the groups on reg. basis to discredit the group! can’t you people figure out anything?

  • john t

    old chip kinda looks like a beaver knawing on wood. does he really make any sense? no. headers like, nazified and soviet union of america. these subjects remind me of the actual thing and should not be used in topics pertaining to America. hey chipper you need to change headers and stop useing derogatory items. a lot of true Americans feel that they are being insulted by these type of writings.

  • DaNorseman

    So all that commie, drugged up wussie vermin…er, occupiers…are blocking the Port of Oakland now? What are those ILWU workers going to do now since it is lefties obstructing lefties? They will no doubt sympathize and join in with them!!!

  • Gonzo

    The middle-class and poor in this country are being fed a never ending stream of lies. Corporate America, in order to keep its Republican puppets in office, is in the unenviable position of needing the votes of the very people they are working to impoverish. The populace must be indoctrinated to believe that their own enslavement is in their own best interest, so these puppets have created the myth of the “job creator” in order to scare the masses back into line.

    We have all heard it too many times—if you tax the rich, they won’t create jobs for all us peons! No, we must cut “entitlement” programs instead, destroying the “safety-net” that stands between people and starvation. Well, finally someone from this conservative camp has spoken out, and exposed the true goals of Corporate America and their Republican puppets.

    Robert Ringer is a New York author and a regular on Fox News and Fox Business. In an article for Personal Liberty Digest, a conservative-leaning online news source, Ringer states the following:

    “The predicament that America now finds itself in is that there’s a lot of money and management around, but not enough labor. At least, there’s not enough labor at a cost that allows companies to manufacture goods at prices consumers are willing to pay.”

    “Of course, there’s plenty of labor in places like China, India, Pakistan, Ecuador, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Haiti, Thailand and many other countries. So it’s no mystery why these countries now produce a great deal of wealth.”

    “The reason the Western world is broke is because it doesn’t have a workforce that is willing to work at wages that are competitive with non-Western nations. And the reason workers are unwilling to accept internationally competitive wages is because they can afford to be choosy. Unemployment benefits, food stamps and other forms of welfare remove the motivation to work at any job that is available to them, at whatever wage is being offered, in order to feed and clothe their families.”

    When I read this, it sent chills down my spine. Here, stated succinctly by one of their own, is Corporate America’s vision for the future of this country. Remove all the safety nets so that people must work for whatever wages the corporations are willing to offer, or starve. And be prepared for those wages to be competitive with wages in China, India, Haiti and Pakistan! They want nothing less than the forced enslavement of the entire working class!

    The vision of Corporate America is no longer in question, but what do we do about it? One group that is making a real effort is Move To Amend, who are calling for a constitutional amendment that would nullify the Supreme Court’s ruling that corporations have the same constitutional rights as people and force their political contributions to be transparent and traceable. You can see the amendment at http://movetoamend.org

    Name calling is what people do when they have nothing else to offer to the argument. There are plenty of “scumbags” in the Tea Party as well, and I know that for a fact because many of them come into my gun shop. Calling all Tea Party members “scumbags” would be just as wrong as calling all OWS members “scumbags.” Such broad generalities are worthless and prove nothing.

    • hitthedeck

      Wouldn’t it make more sense for protesters to protest against foreign products coming into the U.S.? Calling for politicians to demand that products are produced in the U.S. which would put millions of Americans to work! The blaming the rich for making money is stupid. I don’t mind if they get rich as long they are putting their money to work within the boarders of the U.S. That is what I call spreading the wealth. The American worker likes working for rich people because the richer they are the more the reward and more of a chance of becoming wealthy.

      • eddie47d

        The problem with that is the wealthy aren’t producing jobs but are making tons of money. The workers who did do the work for them have been discharged or accepting less. That is not a workable partnership.

        • hitthedeck

          eddie you know better than that! The free trade deal made it easy to bypass the American worker for cheaper labor. The politicians taxed and smothered the businesses with regulations to such a degree that most had to move to greener pastures. When the sheep lost their grazing rights along with their fleece they blamed the rich for doing what they would have done if the shoe was on the other foot. They have not put the blame where it belongs and that is the politicians who were the architects of what we have today.

    • rebecca

      yes and name calling is what they do when they are backed into a corner.

      • Joe H.

        rebecca,
        And just what the hell do you think YOU are doing when you agree with every liberal prog name caller on this site???

  • http://youtube.com/rustycrawford Father of 4

    One more thing about “The Tea Party consists of people who are proudly patriotic. They love their country, its traditions and its rich history.” Are you sick? do you think only the tea party feels this way. Yes there is a rich history of honest hard working people trough the ages. We have passed the age of love for our country, and moved into the new age of love for the planet and every human on it. We are all connected. when the 1 percent hoards the blood flow of the planet, the bubble will pop, or reabsorb. The OWS is bringing attention to the blood blisters called the banks and their made up money systems of greed and control.

    The OWS People, LOVE themselves and everyone in the country. They are so patriotic, that they are freezing, wet, stinky at times but still through the personal sacrifice, to be there they are standing up to greed, for the sake of all of us. As the corrupt system breaks down, everyone on the planet will feel it, even the 1 percent with all their trillions. As we all absorb and help each other. OWS it a Reality Check to the end of the bank system. All banks and prisons should be non profit, PERIOD!

    • hitthedeck

      You are dimmer that a broken light bulb. Not profit banks-How do you get a loan from a bank with not money. Non profit prisons-where is this prison that is making a profit? Please get educated on your entitlement.

      • Mark Are

        Try watching the documentary THRIVE and see if your still spouting the same drivel towards people as you just did here. Look up Thrive Movement dot com

      • eddie47d

        Private prisons do make money and they are invested on Wall Street. They actually encourage more inmates so they can keep their pot full. What a scam!

    • Steve

      Perhaps the misguided followers of the Tea Party are loyal Americans but they do not know the power behind the Tea Party. After WW1 Germany was in turmoil. Their economy was shot and the fear of Communism was high. A man named Hitler and his group of thugs promised the bring Germany back to its deserved economic condition and Hitler promised to rid the country of the Commie threat. They promised them national pride. Then during their election, which Hitler lost by a wide margin, in meetings with the authorities in private sessions, the Brown Shirt Nazis somehow was “given” control of the government and then the military…. There was a very wealthy industrial family by the name of Koch, high up in the Nazi Party, supported Hitler. A young Koch was a Hitler Youth. After the war that young Hitler Youth brought that all here and 2 generations later his grand sons started the Tea Party. They hate and other bigotries were in the family blood. They want to bring want grand dad had to this country and they are doing that by buying up the Republican Party and then working on the White House, they will make this a country of the Corporations and we will all be lost if we aren’t mega wealthy or a big corporation and a huge supporter of the Koch ideal of owning this country..Do your won research in the the Koch Family before you support this country out of FREEDOM……..

      • Joe H.

        steve,
        And a young Jew named George Soross helped the nazis round up the Jews and stated on a TV show not long ago that HE WAS PROUD OF IT!!!! NOW what??? At least the Koch thing was an ancestor! The soreass thing is the VERY SAME MAN!!! WHO DO YOU IDENTIFY WITH???

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          Wrong Joe,

          He was only fourteen years old.You have being listening to that old drunkard Glenn Beck.You know the one that can’t a job.Ha ha ha
          Nov 12, 2010 … He didn’t help confiscate people’s land. He didn’t actively participate in betraying his Jewish neighbors or friends. … explaining how Beck’s two part series on Fox News Channel about George Soros was classic anti-Semitism. …
          http://rustyidols.blogspot.com/2010/11/will-george-soros-end-up-owning-fox.html

          • Joe H.

            wrong miner,
            I WATCHED THE INTERVIEW!!!

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          Hold a job.

          • Joe H.

            coal miner,
            You ARE mindless!! Why the hell do you think I’m never here during the day??? Why don’t YOU join the service??? OH, yeah, the Marines wouldn’t take you. WHY? Psycological deferment??? I guess the Army, Navy, and Airforce wouldn’t take you either???? Coastguard???? YOU NEVER TRIED YOU OLD REPROBATE!!!

  • SMsgt Z(ret) Nam 68

    Chip
    Referring to the Occupy Wall Street protesters as scumbags is really not that bad do to the fact a scumbag is actually a street term used for a condom.As you know (or not)a condom is used for protection during a pleasurable act.
    Chip
    What you and the other name callers are more closely associated with are Colostomy Bags do to what you hold.
    99%

  • Mark Are

    Chip…why all the name calling? Are the Iraq veterans at the OWS protests scumbags and soapless losers too? IS the 84 year old lady that I saw pepper sprayed too? How about the WW II Vet that I saw with the walker? Was the Vet that was hit in the head with a teargas grenade one a scumbag too? How about all the unnecessary violence that has been unleashed towards unarmed people? WTF is wrong with people like you? Maybe you need to do more homework before you spout off like an ignorant moron. I bet this post doesn’t’ last long here on a “liberty” site that spouts off about free speech and such. What about freedom to assemble peaceably?

    • Joe H.

      Mark,
      I believe the day that happened, you were posting HERE!!! How did you see it??? Perhaps on youtube???

    • DaveH

      You’re right, Mark, Chip shouldn’t have engaged in name-calling, but do two wrongs make a right? Your comment is riddled with personal attacks. Don’t be the pot calling the kettle black.

  • Palin16

    A Christmas song for the Occupy crowd, sung to the tune of “Little Drummer Boy”:

    “Get a job, you bum,bum,bum,bum.
    Money don’t grow on trees, you bum,bum,bum,bum.
    I am a poor boy too, you bum,bum,bum,bum.
    Bum,bum,bum,bum. Bum,bum,bum,bum.”

    • http://youtube.com/rustycrawford Father of 4

      There are no jobs to get…. get it?

      • Palin16

        There will be more jobs if we get Obama out of the White House. Listen to what Steve Wynn, CEO of Wynn Resorts, has to say about it:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6dwtm2NIz8&feature=plcp&context=C3934e89UDOEgsToPDskIzlCHmVjSqLaOHnxM51nor

        Get it?

        • SMsgt Z(ret) Nam 68

          Lame link LOL

          • http://youtube.com/rustycrawford Father of 4

            I agree, its a lame link.

          • Palin16

            Like Mr. Wynn or not, he employs 1000s of people, and has publicly stated that because of the increased regulatory burdens imposed by obamacare, he will not hire any new bodies until Obama is outta here.

        • http://youtube.com/rustycrawford Father of 4

          so until that happens, where are they going to get the jobs, TODAY? What about NOW? This moment, in time. Now is all there is. Now is the results of 98 years of corruption of the ruling class. all presidents are controlled by the ruling class. Ron Paul is the only person that makes sense to be president. the rest are slave owners.

        • Karolyn

          Steve Wynn??? Please!

          • libertytrain

            Karolyn – what’s wrong with Steve Wynn – is he from SC too?

      • Joe H.

        Father of 4
        The newsherald and the plain dealer here is the Cleveland area has more than 40 jobs in them every Sunday, from bus driver to machinist. What type of job are you looking for?? I’ll tell you all the info TOMORROW right from the paper!! BTW, the news said the other day that the most up and coming job in the US real soon is going to be MACHINIST! All of the baby boomers that are near retirement age are getting ready to retire and there are few, if any replacements comming up. These are jobs making up to 30 dollars an hour!!! want to tell me that a person can’t make it on THAT???

        • http://deleted Claire

          Joe H — $30 an hour sounds decent to me.

          • danN

            40 jobs! In Cleveland! Wow! where are they going to find the people to fill those jobs?

          • Joe H.

            I don’t know, they are in there every WEEK!!!!Probably can’t fill them because all the OWS crowd are gone protesting?? I DOUBT IT!!!

    • eddie47d

      The author also made a big deal about those OWS arrests. When those arrests were orchestrated to happen at the same time. That is big brother controlling our lives. So welcome to the police state that Chip must sincerely want at the expense of shooting down free speech and assembly. No longer can he say that he is a libertarian if he doesn’t stand for all.

      • Brad

        Lets see Eddie, over 5000 fleabaggers arrested, Tea Party activits arrested 0, that must be a precedent. It comes to mind that the fleabaggers have been involved in squatting on public and private land, distruction of said public and private land, fornication, drugs, murder and lets not forget about TB in hotlanta.

        • eddie47d

          Sieg Heil!

          • Joe H.

            eddie,
            you type that like you have experience saying it??? No???

    • ClaireM

      Palin – You are obviously a child or at least unlearned if you think that comment was worth posting. Besides it is entirely wrong… there are MANY intelligent, well-educated, and well-paid OWS supporters like myself.

      • Palin16

        I’ll believe it when I see it. How much is your union paying you to contradict the facts? Unlearned? I have a BS degree.

        • Flashy

          Palin…from what online university?

          • http://deleted Claire

            LOL – I am a graduate of the school of hard knocks. And I believe I have done quite well.

          • Palin16

            ….from California State University Long Beach…B.S. Microbiology…hardly online.

          • Joe H.

            Palin,
            flashy is just pizzed that HIS online degree is from OBS!! (OLD BULL $HIT!!!)

  • http://youtube.com/rustycrawford Father of 4

    I went and made these videos, of what I observed at OCW and local places Like Daytona Beach, you can see for yourself what it is like.

    Occupy Daytona Beach Protest Signs
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvTAck6Ibzo&list=UUJtRKVyCVdz6KDdQMgnI1cg&index=2&feature=plcp

    Protest Signs of Occupy Wall Street, Occupy Philly and Occupy Washington D.C.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSLgB7pXJUU&list=UUJtRKVyCVdz6KDdQMgnI1cg&index=3&feature=plcp

    Live video to music
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgMT_AChWSE&list=UUJtRKVyCVdz6KDdQMgnI1cg&index=4&feature=plcp

  • Karolyn

    I’ve just been wanting to post this whether it’s appropriate to the conversation or not:

    happiness never derives from power over others.

    Thomas Jefferson made that observation and he was right.

    Seek, therefore, power with, not power over.

    This includes people in the world, people in your home,

    and whoever else may be in your bed…

    The best way to experience power (or anything)

    is to give it away. Make someone else powerful and

    you become twice as powerful as you were before.

    Make someone else loved and you become twice as loved.

    Make someone else feel good and you feel twice as good.

    It doesn’t get any better than this. And it’s all so… simple.

    • http://youtube.com/rustycrawford Father of 4

      Thank you for the wonderful observation. I will try to practice this concept daily. Karolyn, if we all become like you, the fear will dissolve. again thank you, I needed that post, as I was getting agitated with lower levels of these conversations. Your post is what its all about.

    • ClaireM

      Yes, thank you Karolyn for bringing some perspective into the conversation. The world would be so much better for everyone… 99% and 1% alike… if only people actually lived this way.

  • hitthedeck

    OWS reminds me of a pot of soup! Different cooks adding their own spice and the soup that stinks the most is clamed named after the cook that added the most spice.

  • Angel Wannabe

    Well nothing has changed much, the Liberals still honking off about second amendment rights and how proud of the OWS crowd they are.Sorry to burst your bubble Libs BUT

    __They’re revolutionaries and Unionists, they’re well organized have they’re own chat rooms, live streaming videos and they’re own newspaper filled with propaganda, that the Libs accuse us of spreading!

    ACORN has been caught recruiting for protesters and to entice them, they’re recruiting them for $10 an hour or a $100 a day!

    I love how sucked in the Libs get for a supposed “Good Cause” like OWS.If they’d read or listen to something other than, what the masters media puts out, ya might see a different side__but that involves a little extra thinking, and the Govs a little busy right now, so they might have to go it alone___

    • SMsgt Z(ret) Nam 68

      “ACORN has been caught recruiting for protesters and to entice them, they’re recruiting them for $10 an hour or a $100 a day!”

      ACORN closed it’s doors on November 2, 2011 Occupy Wall Street Started 17 September 2011

      What you are referring to is the clam both Beck and Limbaugh made that the Working Families Party was recruiting people for the Occupy Wall Street protests. Said clam was proved to be false like all of the clam’s those two 1% make
      99% all the way

      • http://deleted Claire

        Speaking of Rush–it sounds like he doesn’t like Ron Paul. Rush is singing Newt’s praises.

        • rebecca

          newts baggage is 10 miles long so he is carrying many suitcases!

        • Joe H.

          Claire,
          RON PAUL/ANDREW NAPOLITANO 2012!!!

          • http://deleted Claire

            Joe H –You got it.

        • DaveH

          Rush is firmly in the Establishment Republican camp. And let’s face it, Republicans, by nature, like Big Government almost as much as do the Democrats. They just have a different agenda. Democrats want to help themselves to other peoples’ money, and the Republicans want to Force their personal morality on others regarding victimless crime issues such as gambling, prostitution, drugs, etc.. And lately, both major parties are bleeding into each other’s agenda territory. It’s getting hard to tell them apart. Ron Paul is a pleasant exception to that.
          There is only one Political Party that understands the concept of Liberty as promoted by our wise founders. That is the Libertarian Party:
          http://libertarianparty.org/issues

  • SMsgt Z(ret) Nam 68

    TIME names The Protester person of the Year
    The reason they gave was on almost every continent there were protests some to remove Dictators some out of frustration with the system.
    Many pundits have harped on the fact the Occupy Wall Street movement had no clear message.
    They were wrong the message is wake up
    Your Government your Corporations Your Banks etc,etc have failed you
    The American People are waking up and the time’s they are a changing
    The 99% will not be denied

    • Angel Wannabe
      • SMsgt Z(ret) Nam 68

        You said
        “ACORN was paying $10 a hour or $100 a day for Wall Street Occupiers” not what ever there alleged new name is according to that reliable news source FOX you linked to.
        Just trying to add a little factual content;I know that is a hard concept to grasp
        99% We will prevail

    • Angel Wannabe

      Say whatever floats yer boat there SARG__these OWSers have been all over the world starting up trouble along will Ayers, Code Pink and Soros money__we’ve been warned plenty they were coming here__its your choice to believe it or not___just sayin… :)

  • JimO

    This has GOT to be the funniest “blogging” I’ve ever read. It reminds me of the professor who assigned students in teams to write a story. The professor teamed a “star wars” guy with “romance novel” gal. The result looked a lot like some of these comments and reclamas.

    • bob wire

      In a huge rush today of burying the dead, no time to read all the many entries so I dashes down to the bottom to tell Chip, that I’m so sorry that he feels this way and that “YES !” these persons and their “movement” will greatly benefit his “cause” unless Chip too is a part of today’s problem, a corporate bankster,insider trader, entitled elitist, a master of manipulated disaster, why should he think otherwise?

      This display of unclear, unsubstantiated and poorly defined “HATE” is alien to me and rooted in something very ugly that I want no part of and will never receive my endorsement EVER.

    • FreedomFighter

      Jimo as you ride the FEMA bus to the workcamp – Thinks about this:

      FEMA – They will check you in –but you will never check out!

      Thanks Steve Q.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Scott in SC

        Tell’em FF, when they arrive there will be no “mirrors on the ceiling and pink champagne on ice”.
        AJ is the man. They keep calling him crazy, while the $h!# hits the fan.

        • Joe H.

          Scott in SC,
          “you can check in any time you like, but you can NEVER LEAVE”!!!!!

  • Scott in SC

    I agree many of the OWS crowd are children with little real world experience. But they are American children and this guy had some thoughts about what would happen if….

    “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”
    -Thomas Jefferson

    • SMsgt Z(ret) Nam 68

      Sorry to inform you of this but the Occupiers are of all age’s.In fact the group I attend protests with are all over 60 most retired and concerned about what F happened to our country.

      • Scott in SC

        No matter what age they are somebody’s children. Please re-read the quote.

        • SMsgt Z(ret) Nam 68

          “I agree many of the OWS crowd are children with little real world experience” quoting you and that was what I was responding to

          • Scott in SC

            Sarge, I was referring to the Thomas Jefferson quote. I think we both agree it’s happening.

            Scott

          • rebecca

            oh , they are very much smart and worldy too, after all look what they have and are accomplishing and put tog. a humongous movement!

          • Joe H.

            rebecca,
            I hope you aren’t one of them after that post!! reread it a little!!LOL!!!

  • Olin Ross

    YOU ARE A SCUMBAG RACIST JACKASS………

  • ClaireM

    Hi Chip,

    I was unbelievably disheartened to read this article as I have known you for many years and have often agreed with what you have had to say. As someone who has been closely involved in the OWS movement (mind you I am an executive at my job – far from jobless, dirty or poor) I can tell you that we at OWS have had this same argument amongst ourselves… MANY of the people involved disagree with the communist slant the media has given this movement. We are American patriots who are NOT anti Capitalism. Like you we are against the manipulated economic system our country is now calling Capitalism. If you were going to raise some valid points, it would be one thing but I don’t think there is a single accurate comment in this entire article. Your slanderous insults are childish. I mean come on… calling them names and talking about how they smell bad… are you going to start making fun of the refugees in Uganda because they don’t have nice enough clothes and good haircuts? Shame on you!

    • Karolyn

      Thank you Claire!

      • http://deleted Claire

        Karolyn–Obviously there is another Claire–this is not me—

    • rebecca

      i totally agree with you claire. i have been in nyc every weekend at the liberty park in support of this very brave peoples. in continued support for freedom and justice.

    • http://deleted Claire

      “Claire” — this is from the “other” Claire–I have been on this site for over 2 years–Please add a last initial to your name, I do not appreciate the confusion, nor should you.

    • cawmun cents

      Refugees in Uganda dont live in cities with a preponderence of showers,yet refuse to wash themselves.
      Get a job ya mal-odorous hippies….a haircut,a shower,some self respect.
      You ask for respect from others,but they see that you have no respect for yourselves,or anything else within the bounds of reason.
      So you get nothing in return.
      Ask wall street for some soap for gosh sakes and get off the lawn.
      -CC.

    • Joe H.

      ClaireM,
      SO WHAT?? I know of some that quit jobs to go to the protest. Makes them kinda hypocritical, what with part of what they are protesting is a lack of jobs!!! so you go when it’s convenient for you, how do you manage to make such sacrifice??? Must be so hard on you!!! I’ve been to about three TEA party protests inmy area, told my congressman I didn’t appreciate his stance on things and if he didn’t change, I would do everything I could to see him defeated next election. SO What?? You don’t get it do you?? AS LONG AS PEOPLE WANT SOMETHING FOR FREE, AND RECIEVE IT BY PROTEST OR REQUEST, THE PROBLEM WILL GO ON FOREVER!!! Too many of the OWsers are not willing to work dam hard for what they want in life!!! nothing attained without hard labor is worth a dam!!!

  • Jack

    I am the 1%, and damn tired of supporting the 99%. I am now being punished for success. Am now giving it away to feed the hungry. If you are the hungry, get in line.

    • rebecca

      unless you are one of the elite wealthy, you are not the 1%

      • Joe H.

        Rebecca,
        if he makes over approxamatly 588,000 a year he is part of the 1%!! Look it up!! That can mean an owner of a factory with less than 100 employees!!! you think that owner didn’t work DAMN HARD to get where he is?? you think he isn’t STILL!! If so, you are DENSE!!!

  • ClaireM

    Jack – If you are the 1% you should be thanking the 99% for giving you such success and money… you wouldn’t have it otherwise. So please, by all means, continue to siphon the economy of its wealth… take it from all of the have-nots because someday there will be no one to continue purchasing your goods and you will be bankrupt too.

    • Joe H.

      ClaireM,
      Read my post above! If he is a businessman, some of those 99%s should be thanking HIM!!! Without people like him, there wouldn’t be any jobs at all!!!

  • Guillermo

    Chip you are the kind of fascist that would crucify Jesus because in
    your point of view anyone that mixes with the poor is a socialist.
    You are from the 1% who sends the 99% to glorious wars in every corner of the world.

  • Sandy Anderson

    This is a good article… well said. My views are like that of the Tea Party, although I have not joined.

    Like most of us I’ve seen the Watts Riot, the Viet Nam protesting, etc.. We were green before there was a “Green”. Back then, we returned milk bottles, soda bottles and beer bottles to the store. The store sent them back to the plant, cleaned them, refilled, so they use the same bottles over and over. So they really were recycled. We walked up stairs, because we didn’t have an escalator in every store and office building. We walked to the grocery store and didn’t get into a car every time we had to go two
    blocks. We exercised by working not to a health club to run on treadmills that use electricity.

    I say this because America was great and still can be. In my entire life I have never seen the hatred that is been spewing out from the left. The intolerance is ridiculous. The OWS who the left love are filthy. No surprise there. It trickles from the top. The nastiness, trash strewn everywhere. They protest against capitalism yet are making money themselves. Hmmmm…. The congress and Obama are against Christmas. What do their kids shout on Christmas day? It’s holiday let’s open up the taxpayer’s gifts? Why does the congress take off on Good Friday? They say kids playing sports should not play to win. There are no winner’s or loser’s so don’t bother counting the score. Yet, when it comes to football the men are right them rooting for their teams and perhaps betting for the winner. Hypocrisy? In the left there is so much of it. They’re upset when people want to earn money. They want to take it from you and think it’s the right thing to do and to pay for their wants or for the poor. I give my money away monthly to charities and the homeless. It’s MY choice and should never be there’s. What they are doing sure hasn’t been for the good of the country. Just rambling…

    • Flashy

      Sandy…you’ve mde some claims about the 99%ers…which protest did you go to to observe and talk to them to be able to make these claims?

      • DaveH

        Ad nauseam.
        Oh, great Flashy, we worship at your altar of OWS attendance. NOT.

      • Joe H.

        BTW, flashy, you haven’t answered my DIRECT question of YOU yet! Care to do so YET??? Or are you a FRAUD???

  • rebecca

    this is all crap sabotage and spewing misinformation! this group is eloquent and smart! they ran a clean community in nyc , where i attended every weekend to observe. they are not stinky, smelly hippies, no urinating, defecating, but w/ a kitchen fed everyone. their were many causes there, a big mix and yes, there were some there who did not belong and made it look bad for the group, but they persevered! they had a library, medic ctr. compost ctr, water filtration system, silk screen and art ctr along w/ live stream media! this group worked hard to keep all intact and took care of the plants and flowers in the park. and for your info. it was the police that were the agitators and were told to create the violence to make it lok like it was the movement causing prob. and the cops complain like they were the victims. also many radio hosts did the same also being told to blast the ows group. cops came in full riot gear to intimidate and try and make the public see what violence they were up against, when they were the violent ones! it was the police who purposely made the mess and then left it to fall back on the ows people!!! it’s obvious to see where you are coming from , and.. now you can forget the teaparty as they hv been hijacked by the republicans, which is something you prob. like! they are over, given up, unlike ows!

    • bob wire

      “this is all crap sabotage and spewing misinformation! this group is eloquent and smart! they ran a clean community in nyc , where i attended every weekend to observe. they are not stinky, smelly hippies, no urinating, defecating, but w/ a kitchen fed everyone.”

      Well Rebecca, ~ as I see it, There are three major overriding emotions of human kind.

      Love, hate and indifference.

      Clearly Chip Woods and his “defenders” are not indifferent, that are not in love which bring us to “HATE”

      Why do people hate?

      “In psychoanalysis, Sigmund Freud defined hate as an Ego STATE that wishes to destroy the source of its unhappiness.[2] More recently, the Penguin Dictionary of Psychology defines hate as a “deep, enduring, intense emotion expressing animosity, anger, and hostility towards a person, group, or object.”[3] Because hatred is believed to be long-lasting, many psychologists consider it to be more of an attitude or disposition than a temporary emotional state.”

      An “Ego State”? so what is “ego” ? How does your “ego” make you hate?

      “Ego – The False Center
      From Beyond the Frontier of the Mind by Osho

      The first thing to be understood is what ego is. A child is born. A child is born without any knowledge, any consciousness of his own self. And when a child is born the first thing he becomes aware of is not himself; the first thing he becomes aware of is the other. It is natural, because the eyes open outwards, the hands touch others, the ears listen to others, the tongue tastes food and the nose smells the outside. All these senses open outwards.

      That is what birth means. Birth means coming into this world, the world of the outside. So when a child is born, he is born into this world. He opens his eyes, sees others. ‘Other’ means the thou. He becomes aware of the mother first. Then, by and by, he becomes aware of his own body. That too is the other, that too belongs to the world. He is hungry and he feels the body; his need is satisfied, he forgets the body.

      This is how a child grows. First he becomes aware of you, thou, other, and then by and by, in contrast to you, thou, he becomes aware of himself.

      This awareness is a reflected awareness. He is not aware of who he is. He is simply aware of the mother and what she thinks about him. If she smiles, if she appreciates the child, if she says, “You are beautiful,” if she hugs and kisses him, the child feels good about himself. Now an ego is born.

      Through appreciation, love, care, he feels he is good, he feels he is valuable, he feels he has some significance.

      A center is born.

      But this center is a reflected center. It is not his real being. He does not know who he is; he simply knows what others think about him. And this is the ego: the reflection, what others think. If nobody thinks that he is of any use, nobody appreciates him, nobody smiles, then too an ego is born: an ill ego; sad, rejected, like a wound; feeling inferior, worthless. This too is the ego. This too is a reflection.

      What Chip and friends are doing is attempting to “relabel, debase, discredit and diminish” the OWS movement at every opportunity and everything at their disposal.

      BUT why? We know they are angry and what they say their reasons are but their reasons stated fail to be very factual and even if they were, it does not explain the degree of vile anger and contempt.

      The answer? Injured egos, the fear of someone stealing your thunder. The fear of going all out and throwing a huge party and too few came. Then to have a neighbor throw a party with little fanfare and see a huge turnout is an “ego killer”

      A petty smallness that runs deep in the GOP mindset, they are not to be out shined or out done at any level and if you do, you are a sorry piece of sh1t dirt bag and they hate your guts AND will “REDEFINE” you.

      Rather then accepting failures and loses, to work harder to compete and do better and be better, they will spent years and millions of dollars in some attempt to elevate themselves by trying to tear you down.

      There is nothing about them they feel a need to change, it is “OTHERS” that much change.

      It’s a mental sickness they pride themselves in and gloat about while explain their failures as every ones fault but their own.

      It was Acorn!

      It was voting Illegals! It was LIBERALS! It was lazy people, it was school teachers, fireman, unions, public workers, student that were told get an education and did and now 24 years old , 35 grand down, can’t find a good job, can’t afford to get married, it was entitlement to people that spent a lifetime investing their money into a socialist system, (Like the private sector is doing so well today)

      you don’t make much sense with this one Chip.

      • rebecca

        thank you bob, for the enlightenment!

    • Joe H.

      rebecca,
      I can say without concern that you were NEVER at the NYC OWS site if you claim it was CLEAN!!!! ARE YOU BLIND???? It was FILTHY!! FILTHY THROUGH AND THROUGH!!

  • http://Boblivingston Gottaplenty

    Tea party given up?You OW’s only made them stronger. And that crap about how clean and pure you are and how bad the cops are is laughable.

  • Idylewylde

    OWS is comprised of uneducated idiots, or dumbed-down idiots, led by organizers with non-paying, non-productive college degrees pretending to be the intelligentsia .. sort of like the DNC.

    The Tea Party is comprised of well educated and highly productive people, organized by people intelligent enough to realize what the Constitution actually represents, and are determined to rid the RNC of the pseudo-intellectual RINOs … so it’s kind of a reverse situation.

    If there is any justice in the world, both camps will realize that their own party is the problem.

  • Sandy Anderson

    I saw the pictures around the news and online about the NY OWS. If that was clean to you well, there you have it. Perhaps we have a different meaning for the word clean.

    • rebecca

      that is your problem right there, you watched lamestream media for your clipped and edited info and not much to gather from youtube sites, lets just say you had to be there( OWS). yes, i was there and very impressed i say! what some people don’t understand is these fighters, who are fighting for you also and your families, may not be around to benefit from the badly needed changes, their fight is for the future americans like your chidren, grandchildren and great grandchildren. pretty unselfish i say! revolutions are not done overnite, it took over 40 yrs for the slaves to finally be freed, and lincoln only signed the papers. a white person started the movement to abolish slavery.

  • Kurier

    1000 yds and a scope…two kills, one shot

    • eddie47d

      Save one for yourself!

      • http://deleted Claire

        eddie47d–I agree.

    • bob wire

      “Kurier says:
      December 16, 2011 at 9:51 pm

      1000 yds and a scope…two kills, one shot”

      To find such a statement on a political forum and not one single protest is unconscionable, appalling and total unacceptable by any standard one might wish to apply.

      Sadly, this indicative of the mindset that dominates a movement that raises the banner of Christianity and “allegedly” champions personal liberties and freedom.

      “Kurier” , you Sir/Madam are the very reason laws are necessary, as you can only exist by hiding under their protection. Clearly you are in the market for a toe tag.

      • http://deleted Claire

        Ditto!!

      • DaveH

        Bob,
        I wouldn’t stuff my Thanksgiving turkey with what you’re full of. You have no idea how the poster leans — left or right, yet you pick a side and lambaste those on that side. Even if the poster did lean right, he’s just one person, so you’re being a bigot.
        And then, you hypocritically say this — “Clearly you are in the market for a toe tag”.
        Are you oblivious as well as obtuse?

        • bob wire

          Finally! You have addressed a post to me unworthy a response David. ☺

          You have just made my day ~

        • bob wire

          Unless I have been misdirected this is a political forum and not Field & Stream.

          You have been Checkmated my dear fellow.

          I won’t gloat ~ long. ☺

          A gloated self ego, is most unflattering.

          You are a good man David. Keep hammering the message and work on your humility and self importance. “Everyone” has something to teach you.

          As you teach so too do you learn.

          • DaveH

            Put down that Jack, Bob.

    • Michael

      1,000 yards for the restraining to keep you away from anyone else and a scope (mouthwash) to remove that brown taste from your mouth.

      • http://deleted Claire

        Agreed.

  • Donald

    OWS folks are trying to restore honesty to Capitalism that has been missing since Enron, the dishonest bankers, the crooked rating agencies, and the financial leaders who brought about this financial crisis with their credit default swaps and other crazy derivatives that made vast amounts of wealth for themselves, but never produced a manufactured product for the market place in all that timel

    • cawmun cents

      They oughta restore soap and water to their daily regimen first.
      Then maybe they could sit down with the fat cats and have a decent dialog.
      Otherwise they are just filthy hobos asking for a sandwich.
      Palooking each other in tents and talking about how they represent 99% of the populace.
      They like the others who think that the mob should rule are too stupid to live.
      Even musicians are smart enough to know that if you listen to fools the mob rules.
      -CC.

      • bob wire

        Maybe if you got out of the comforts if your home and subjected yourself to some hardships, weather and dirt for what you believe in, your words might carry more weight and offer more meaning.

        If a little blood, sweat and dirt offends you that much, I fail to see you as a force to contend with or a force that could possible affect the changes you desire. More of a crybaby that has wet it’s dipper and demanding attention in the only way it knows how.

        A true fighter trench fighter, you should learn to always stay up wind of.

        Mommy will be along soon and get you all fixed up, nice and dry again.

        • libertytrain

          bob – hope you’re doing ok today. You had a rough day yesterday and probably today as well.

          • bob wire

            Thanks for inquiring libertytrain;

            It’s been a long, hard three months here but we are close to the end of it. Arrangement made, people phoned, obbits to come out in the Sunday paper. Dad is boxed and suited out, I trimmed his mustache for him not wanting to chance the mortician to screw it up. Preview is today after church and final service at 10 am Monday.

            Mother has always been my primary concern, after 64 years of marriage, the center of the universe is gone! Long lived was The book of George.

            Women by nature are strong, endure and survive. She’ll be fine with time and kill us in the process.

          • libertytrain

            good luck bob wire…this post of yours – I actually do totally understand…nice job on the mustache -

      • rebecca

        i wonder how clean all were from the other ,much earlier revolutions we had? how about george washingtons armies? guess you would never be one of them! this all shaped our history of our country as will OWS! many of occupiers went home at nite and took others who were from out of the area w/ them. some had friends in nyc and others in nyc did the laundry for them. they were so totally organized and yes, they promote non-violence! boy, some of you sound so hateful! or jealous! comment on the real issues.

  • Thinking about

    It would seem intelligent if the bunch backing Ron Paul would at least attempt to get with the OWS and try to organize into one group. You can continue to spew the hatred for the OWS and false information but you will never get anywhere for the truth shall set you free. Chip you missed a great opportunity and wonder if you will realize the err of your ways and join with the OWS and see if you really do have more common ideas than you have expressed here.

    • bob wire

      That’s what I’ve thought as well my friend as I seen many parallels and common goals.

      But that is not what leadership agents of the Tea Party have elected to do which confirms many of my suspicions about the Tea Party and their true intentions.

      In much the same way the GOP has doubled down against anything and everything that might possibly advance 44′s positive ratings and goals, if it means destroying the American economy or way of life in the process. The Tea Party has doubled down against the OWS for much the same reasons with one single primary goal in mind. “Hold Obama to a single term President” and little else matters.

      If you accept and understand that as being so, it is only then that all this focused vile HATE make any sense. This attempt to undermine and debase the OWS is far for “indifferent” as they act as if their sister has been raped and ready and prepared to kill someone.

      If it to be seen as a battle of who can muster the largest display of unrest, disappointment and anger, the Tea Party has clearly lost that battle.

      By and large, the Tea Party is comprised of people that feel as if they are “LOSING” and they hate it so! They say that they harbor no single political affiliation other then conservatism, ~ but they say many things that contradict and conflict. The “words” rarely fit the “actions”.

      Losing to the “OWS” is just one more insult to injury as the “OWS” steals their attention, robs them of their “press” and sucks all the air out of the room.

      The Tea Party does not like that so much.

      • DaveH

        I long for the day when the Liberals and Conservatives move to separate parts of the country, and their ideas be left to stand on reality instead of lip-service.

        • DaveH

          It’s so much easier to know what’s best for the country when you’re spending other peoples’ money.

        • Thinking about

          So DaveH, just how are you going to get this to happen. I thought the basis of your belief was in liberty. Guess you forgot part of our liberties are being left alone and doing what you please. Now the book has been opened on you, you believe the only liberties is what you decide. Won’t work in this country, we still have the right to vote and many other rights as stated in the Constitution.

          • DaveH

            Being a Liberal, TA, you know nothing about Liberty. Unlike you, I don’t use the force of Government to force my way on others.
            Why would I need to force you Liberals to live together? I would think since you’re all so smart about other peoples’ lives that you’d want to live together and prove yourselves to the rest of us.

          • DaveH

            By the way, Eddie Jr., if you reread my original comment, I said nothing about using force.

          • bob wire

            “DaveH says:

            Being a Liberal, TA, you know nothing about Liberty. Unlike you, I don’t use the force of Government to force my way on others.”

            Well that’s certainly an obtuse statement, Davy. Perhaps you have not personally used force of government but the people you have supported, defended and elected certainly have. The 107th and the 108th Congress was lied to by the very people that you supported and voted into office into order to force they will on the American people and today , we are still paying for it while you polish your halo and pontificate the virtues of conservative values.

            So how can it be that myself or mister “think about it” could possible be seen any differently then yourself?

            I’m not a Liberal but if I were, it would matter little as your statement would still be crass, pretentious and false, while making a miserable attempt to deffer guilt and blame, one of the few things these “alleged”, self proclaimed conservatives actually seem to excel at.

            This attempt to gold plate a turd, in some hope it might appreciate in value, you can put on your Mattel , but I think I’ll pass if you don’t mind.

          • DaveH

            Obtuse as usual, Bob, and totally off base. I have never voted for any candidate who wants to make other peoples’ choices. I doubt you can say the same. But you sure can make up crap about me, can’t you?

          • Joe H.

            bob wire
            i was gonna leave you alone tonite but I can’t let that statement stand. I know you are Speakiung of Bush Jr but let’s look at your statement on LIES. If Bush lied to them and they were stupid enough to soak up the lies hook, line , and sinker, then don’t THEY deserve a little of said blame?? If not, how did someone as inexperienced and lamebrained as Abummer see through the lies??? The ONLY thing he has done right since he has been in political office, is to vote against the Iraq war!! If he could see through the lies, if indeed there WERE lies then why couldn’t the others?? Perhaps there WEREN’T any lies!!!

          • Thinking about

            DaveH, you must have forgotten what your comment was about this time, it has nothing to do with being liberal, you got caught up in your desire to decide where others should live, guess you don’t really believe in the Constitution after all. Oh yea, enjoy your echos.

          • bob wire

            Dave H says; “I have never voted for any candidate who wants to make other peoples’ choices. I doubt you can say the same. But you sure can make up crap about me, can’t you?”

            I think that it is referred to as, perception and interpretation Dave. And yes !, I do admire your ability more then you do mine. Shall we call it “appreciation” ? I don’t mind losing to you in such regard.

            I love your focus and unwavering consistency and largely why I fail to see you as voting for Al Gore in the 1989 general election. I don’t see you Davey as casting a protest “write-in” vote and throwing your one vote away.

            If I am wrong about you, you have my sincere apology for suggesting that you aided “W” in securing the 1st chair position. But then logic, omission, your consistence and process of deduction imply that you did.

            “W” was not a bad guy, I don’t approve of going out of ones way to bash a single person, as 43 is only indicative of the GOP, a party affiliation that’s true leadership has no name, has no face and enjoys a non-person ambiguity, no title, no position, can’t be caught, sentenced or imprisoned. BUT THEN,

            43′s administration did deceive and mislead two separate sessions of Congress. The 107th was an evenly balanced congress, there was no need for lies and deception and any issues of the day should have been allowed to stand on their own merits without embellishment and thumb twisting and cooked intell.

            It was 108th Congress that this “package” became much harder to sell and where these lies and deceit were enshrined in concrete and will forever live in the history books.

            As much as America needed too, in 1999 the current administration made the decision to not go back and exposes these “untruths”, rather seeing the pursuit of any justice, guilt and blame as self defeating and untimely. With great reluctance, I, along with most Americans at that time concurred in the belief that the precarious issues of the day preceded any “justice” as it was a rabbit hole,that would prove to be very time consuming, nasty, and the outcome could very well undermine the position of Presidential office and perhaps be “less” for it. Only a hand full of Attorneys were in any position to gain while a accurate accounting of “History” the clear loser.

            The GOP would have cried out, “The DNC has turned into an angry lynch mob with one thing on their vengeful minds while they ignoring the business of the people as they suffer so”

            And for once, the GOP would have been correct!

          • bob wire

            Joe says;”If Bush lied to them and they were stupid enough to soak up the lies hook, line , and sinker, then don’t THEY deserve a little of said blame??”

            Well Joe, It’s always a pleasure to banter with you. You can leave me alone if you wish, I just figure you’ve more important things to do.

            Oh make no mistake, 43′s administration did “enhance” Intell and deliberately mislead two sessions of Congress. I address that in a posting to Dave H farther down.

            Does Congress deserve to carry some or any blame? Well of course they do! A large part of their job is to weigh the data and facts and make sound decisions.

            They are guilty of succumbing to the “Will of 43′s administration”. They are victims of fraud and it’s consequence, of wasting 4478 American lives, of misspending and wasting Trillions of dollars and 11 years foolishly.

            You might say that I am guilty or Obama is guilty as well for not opposing it loud enough! We were over ruled and we didn’t set ourselves on fire in protest!

            To my credit, I did engage in two bar fights, one resulted in gun play as I went against general consensus and the prevailing mood of fellow bar flies. I can’t speak for Obama, other then for his down vote in Senate records.

            We were seen as “popular” in a most unflattering way. Unchristian, unAmerican, treehugger, Pinko, Red, anti-gun, anti military, fairy, faqqot, ~ I think it was about there that the fight ensued, after being “subdued” with overwhelming force and removed, he returned armed.

          • DaveH

            I am so glad you Liberals post here. I have spent much of my life trying to expose hypocritical Liberals for what they really are. Now the thousands of readers of this blog can see for themselves.
            Those who can actually comprehend English can start here and see just how weak Thinking About’s and Bob Wire’s reading skills are:
            http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/those-scumbag-ows-protesters-are-helping-our-cause/#comment-678543

          • bob wire

            As I suspected, you have no truthful response and wish to discuss “reading & comprehension skills” ☺

            WeLL, for what it’s worth to you, I admire your integrity David, as it far supersedes your hypocrisy and to be found much to your favor.

            Most would lie when found cornered where you attempt to distract with a reading & comprehension personal attack. Smooth move, but I’m calling this a checkmate.

            Dave H say;”I have never voted for any candidate who wants to make other peoples’ choices. I doubt you can say the same.”

            I confess! you are correct Davey, I’m GUILT!

            Not only did I vote for Reagan, my family was heavily engaged in getting the vote out here in the Fort Worth , Arlington area and my Air Force Major father-in-law was rewarded a Presidential Appointment for our tireless efforts and success.

            Reagan made a lot of choices for Americans without asking for approval. Allowing this infestation of lobbies on Capital Hill being but one of many. Corporate America made it’s grand entrance, getting red carpet treatment and was officially warmly received on the Hill.

            And I voted for NIXON, I offer no apology, flawed perhaps, but still one of the “greats” A man not afraid to make unpopular decisions.

          • Joe H.

            Gee bob wire perhaps you can post the day and city that that gun play was initiated in??? i would like tom READ about it from an official site!!! not that I don’t believe you……..

        • bob wire

          Maybe Texas A&M will someday engineer a peach with no pit? Until that time there will be a “seed” and a place for a seed. Not perfect to one mans eye while most perfect to another.

          Buy you some back copies of Mother Earth News, move to the country, build you a home, plant a little garden, eat a lot of peaches, try to find Jesus on your own.

          I always thought a Coon Skin cap would be cool, it’d be warm and I could sport a fine pony tail.

          I struggle to pay taxes, it’s hard for me! Not only do I pay taxes but I pay penalties as well and they are worse then the taxes. I don’t like paying taxes to support fools follies ventures, to wall street middle men, to insurance companies that have managed to get between me and my health care providers with the help of congress.

          I take comfort in paying taxes for good work and knowing I was a part of something much lager then myself, that “we” did something that I could never have achieved on my own.

          I too, would enjoy people with special gifted insights, to move away like the Mormon’s exodus to Utah. Where they can do as these special insights dictated and no skin off my nose. There is something to be said for 8 or 9 wives, they can fight among themselves and maybe leave you out of it! Hmm? On second thought, I think that I’ll just lease.

          So shall we duke it out over religious matters or money? In the end, how much does it matter why? ~ Let’s just fight for the sake of a good fight, no pretenses, no labels, not be coy with our intolerance for having to or being force to breath the same air as I.

          I was here first, I’m bigger then you, can bring more to bear then you and pay more taxes then you, if you don’t enjoy sharing air and space, you should move.

          SEE, that’s not so hard to say. Not very popular or civil perhaps but maybe we’ve reached a point that we can no longer afford common civility. Or at least that seems to be the prevailing premise here on these forums.

          Your presence, your sight~ offends. You are costing me money, wasting air and occupying space. Sorry! that seat is taken!

          Do you not see that such an attitude offering you it own unique set of problems? Problems much larger the the ones we’ve already got?

          There is no satisfying an “offended ego”, you can’t feed it enough, as the more you feed it, the bigger and more hunger it gets.

          You are left to live a life of being constantly “OFFENDED”

  • http://deleted Claire

    Hooray!! I am doing the Happy Dance! “Hailey” took Best of Opposite at the Eukanuba Show in Orlando this morning! I co-own Hailey with a lady in Florida. Believe me, this show is a “big deal.” I am so proud of her! Kinda wish she would have taken Best of Breed, but a male beat her. It is still impressive, because only 1 Shorthair beat her! My “Tanner” is her daddy. Yeah!!

    • libertytrain

      Shoot – I forgot to tell you that is wonderful – I meant too… :)

      • http://deleted Claire

        libertytrain–It was good news about Hailey. I am soooo proud of her. And proud of her daddy. It may sound silly but with all of Bob’s health issues, he and I both needed some happy news for a change.

        • libertytrain

          Of course, nothing like our pets to bring a little sunshine in – and all your babies are so beautiful….so glad for you.

          • http://deleted Claire

            libertytrain–Yes, the “babies” are gorgeous. Thank you for your comments.

    • Palin16

      Congrats Claire! And your Packers are undefeated.

      • http://deleted Claire

        Palin16–Thanks!!! I am still really happy about Hailey. And oh yes, the Packers!!! Hooray for them too!

      • Joe H.

        Palin16,
        Not ANYMORE!!!! KC beat them and it took a former BROWNS coach to do it!!!! Sorry ladies, I’ve been waiting awhile to say that!!!

        • Palin16

          Oops I think I jinxed them.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Palin16–you didn’t jinx them, those that fly too high always have a fall sooner or later. Look at all the garbage swirling around ball players. Pujols did not receive a “good” sendoff. Good grief, how much money does a ballplayer need to be happy? Money talks, common sense and loyalty walks.

        • http://deleted Claire

          Joe H–Well, the Packers are still a dang good team. Only one loss–that is a pretty good record so far. They just weren’t “on the ball.”

    • bob wire

      Great News! Good work Clair !

      • http://deleted Claire

        bob wire–Thanks! I am still doing the Happy Dance.

        • Palin16

          Claire,
          I read that Blagojevich now wants to enter some kind of drug rehab facility. Huh?

          • http://deleted Claire

            Palin16–Yes, he wants to enter a drug rehab program so he will get off a year or two sooner. Mark my words, he probably won’t do the whole 14 years.

    • Palin16

      A couple of years ago, my local newspaper ran a photo contest where they asked readers to send in photos of their pets. I sent in a photo I took of my four Italian Greyhound puppies (3 months old at the time) all lined up in a row and looking straight at the camera. After I returned home from a vacation in Maine, I found out I won First Prize and the newspaper published a giant-sized photo. I was very proud!

  • nowhereman

    Yep! When radicals don’t like the definition of a word they change the definition.

    • bob wire

      Yes, they attempt too. An attorney’s education is focused to that end, interpretation of words and phrases. Preferable to suit the situation and their desired intend.

      Where else might you hear of an increase in deficit reduction?

      It’s much like my left handed sense of humor that leans to the right.

  • http://www.wakeupamerica.com/constitutionalbelievers Constitutional Believer

    Hello Family, Friends, Patriots & Acquaintance’s.
    Now Is the Time for All Good Men and Women to come to the aid of Our Country!
    If Not Now, When?
    All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing!
    If Not You, Who?
    Make the Difference and Take a Stand with other Good Men and Women, Join Us Here!
    http://www.wakeupamerica.com/constitutionalbelievers
    Take Care and GOD BLESS The Whole World!
    Sincerely
    Mr. Harris

  • Truth Be Told

    Hey, Chip Wood, what would you do? Boor them to death by talking to them. We all know that you have no gumption to confront anyone.

    • DaveH

      The pen is mightier than the sword.

    • Joe H.

      Truth be told,
      Au Contraire!!! Chip and bob have both confronted on this site. Bob assuredly more!!! But, then being a newbie here, you wouldn’t know that. ‘scuse me, I meant newbie TROLL!!!!

  • Angel Wannabe

    Sarcasm Alert!___Another OWS article about it’s all glowing grassroots organization!

    http://fanddintelligencer.blogspot.com/2011/12/bill-ayers-and-occupy-harrisburg-debate.html

  • Falcon

    If Hitler was a Communist, then why did he blame Communism as well as the Jews for Germany’s woes? Have you forgotten that he was at war with Russia in an effort to rid the world of Communism long before the rest of us even had to worry about him. National, not Social, is the key word on NAZI, and Nationalism is a right, not left wing flaw.

  • walt s

    too much to respond to single comments. I know some OWS, have been to rallies, have another facebook friend who also (just to see, she being Tea.P.) personally familiar with the messy politic of street demos, the strange bedfellows it makes. I find this article foolish and devisive. As my f.b. friend said of her visit…”they ought to be in the T.P.! and many would be, but for the sort of tripe writ here. Is this just part of the divide and conquor game that is destroying us? Or are you just being ignorant, Bob? have you also ignored the demografic data reported even in WSJ that typical OWS is collegiate male over 30, degreed…hardly the street crusties you make so much over, the onews who happened to be on location before OWS and will still be setting there, without OWS companionship after the street phase, the ones even ‘progressive” radio hosts like Maddow repudiate as green utopian clueless and unwashed…..

    Re Koch et al, who finance…well, they finance whatever works for them and regs as well as dereg might be the course on a given issue. Regs are tailored to beat competition, deregulation works when you hold the good cards…so I see no benefit in persuing the lines of several in argument about the generalities with no details…that is lala land no matter what philosophy it proposes.

    Oh but i have to direct myself to this hummer: (dave h dec 17: “I long for the day when the Liberals and Conservatives move to separate parts of the country, and their ideas be left to stand on reality instead of lip-service.” I think Mr Lincoln faced such a situation? and if we had your way, ta ta union!

    Falcon, Hitler and the commies played tosies a while and then they went to war over the same supporters. It was not a war of opposites. It was a war of competitive leaders. If you read some history of Europe, the Italian Modernists etc, you will see how diverse and competing were the different “solutions” being forwarded by the trash of the day….and even the language fits today! been there did that, oh God, not AGAIN!!

  • newspooner

    Get the US out of the UN, and get the UN out of the US. Otherwise, all liberty will be lost.

  • Maurice Taylor

    I disagree with most of your argument. Small business owners are not in the 1% in fact they are many times disregard by congress. The 1$ are the likes of Bill Gates etc. Small Business owners don’t begin to make that money So your argument is flawed in that perspective.

    You asked “Have OWS protesters infested your city yet? They haven’t infested mine, but I kind of wish they would”

    In order for an infestation to happen it is assumed that something is coming in, such as roaches and ants, but they only come when people are not cleaning their homes etc. Politics is dirty and it’s hurt people so if by infestion you mean we are attracted to the dirty and mess, then fine and we intend to make sure things get cleaned up. Your “I kind of wish they would” statement seems to make you are provoking a violent tone towards a group of non-violent people that don’t infest anyways but rise up where we live.

    Your Statement: “Tea Party members revere our country’s heritage of freedom, free enterprise and private property rights. They believe it is impossible to have a prosperous and growing economy where these principles are not respected and defended.” When the tea party was created by when republicans weren’t even thought of, today’s tea party consisted of wealthy republicans footing the bill for the movement. And as far as your country’s heritage of freedom that was built on slavery, and the murdering of the indigenous to obtain that free enterprise and private property rights. Let’s not forget about the KKK that serve the Ultra conversative and 1%

    This proves how little you really know
    “The OWS protesters despise the free market, hate and mistrust capitalism, and believe Karl Marx was right when he called for the forcible redistribution of wealth.”
    I don’t believe Karl Marx was right, but I think he had some good ideas.
    you are pissed Karl Marx “forcible redistribution of wealth.” I would like to know you review point on slavery and the treatment of the indigenous to America. Are their children not owed what has been stolen from them.

    last but not least it is not the free enterprise many people in OWS speak against, it is the economic corruption we speak again (While not speak for OWS as awhole).

    Thank you for the time and space to rebuttle.

    • Gregg Jackson

      I agree with your comments about small businesses. As a small business owner for over 15 years, I took a huge hit from the corporation-friendly government of George W. Tax breaks and incentives go to the corporations who hide their profits off-shore while a guy like me who employs 20-50 people gets killed. And regulations? Relaxed if not non-existent for the large companies while an honest guy like me who follows the rules has to spend extra time and money to stay in compliance. Conservatives used to stand with the hard-working individuals who contributed to society through free enterprise – now it is a joke: anything a corporation wants, they get. Just ask the Koch brothers.

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