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They Stole That Election Fair And Square

July 17, 2009 by  

They Stole That Election Fair And Square

One of the dirtiest campaigns ever conducted for the U.S. Senate is finally over. And to the dismay of anyone who cares about decency and decorum in “the world’s most exclusive club,” the chief mud-thrower has been declared the victor.

Shame on the 1.4 million celebrity-stricken Minnesotans who voted for a mean-spirited, hate-filled, dishonest demagogue named Al Franken. Shame on the courts and an incredibly biased Secretary of State who tortured and twisted a so-called “recount” until they made sure Franken had enough votes to win. And shame on the Republicans in Minnesota for allowing the election to be stolen from them.

When this campaign began, Norm Coleman, the Republican incumbent, was expected to win handily. No one gave Al Franken much of a chance. After all, this is the former Saturday Night Live performer whose major contributions to our culture have been sketches like “Planet of the Enormous Hooters” and books such as Rush Limbaugh Is A Big Fat Liar. (Same to you, buddy.)

But that was before the economy imploded and the Obama bandwagon began to soar. Franken was incredibly well-funded by the left, so he was able to afford a ton of TV and print commercials. The result was some of the most blatantly dishonest advertisements his advisers could devise. Franken flat-out lied about Coleman’s voting record. He even accused his opponent of being “the fourth most corrupt senator in Congress.”

The leftwing activist group ACORN was busy, registering every warm body they could find. They were aided by Minnesota’s absurd same-day registration law. In Minnesota, election officials trust but don’t verify. How many illegal immigrants, felons, non-residents and other ineligibles did ACORN manage to get to the polls? We’ll never know. But you can bet it was a whole lot more than Al Franken’s razor-thin margin of victory.

When the original vote tally was announced it appeared that Coleman had won by 725 votes. The results were so close that a recount was inevitable. And that’s when the Franken forces really went to work to rig the results.

They brought in the same team that had found enough votes in the 2004 race for governor in Washington State to hand the election to Christine Gregorie. They were aided in Minnesota by Secretary of State Mark Ritchie, a Democrat Party official and ACORN activist who got away with approving recount totals that favored Franken—but accepted the original tally in other cases, all of which just happened also to favor Franken.

By the time the recount ended Franken had gained 436 votes from “corrections” in just three heavily Democrat precincts. That, combined with votes that were removed from the Coleman side in other precincts, was enough to tip the election in Franken’s favor. Coleman appealed the results to the Minnesota Supreme Court, which ruled on June 30 that Franken had won the election by 312 votes. A few days later the gloating and gleeful ex-comedian took his seat as the 60th Democrat in the U.S. Senate. That brings the party of Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama to a filibuster-proof majority. Not a pretty thought, is it?

But before you tear out your hair and fall to the floor sobbing, “That’s it. It’s all over. Nothing can save our poor Republic now,” hold on a moment. I do see a few rays of sunshine in this otherwise bleak assessment.

First, I don’t believe that Al Franken will be an asset for the Democrats. Instead, I think he will turn out to be a huge liability. The man has absolutely no class. He’s a mean-spirited guttersnipe who will find it impossible to keep his big mouth shut, or to resist the temptation to spout extremist views that are way to the left of most Americans.

As Connie Hair observed in Human Events, “Unless the powers that be in the Senate can put a big, fat muzzle on his mouth, Al Franken’s brand of politics and caustic deportment would make him the poster child for everything that’s wrong in America in 2010. The Senate’s own Rosie O’Donnell.”

Right. And what are the chances that this egotistical grandstander will allow himself to be muzzled? Or even agree that, for the good of his party, he should sit down and shut up for a while? I put them pretty close to zero.

Barack Obama may be the smoothest fraud we’ve seen in many a year. But take it from me; Al Franken is the complete opposite. The junior senator from Minnesota may just prove to be the most attractive target conservatives have had in years. Sort of a real-life tar baby, where every accusation sticks.

So please, Al, get on that soap box every chance you get. I can’t wait to see how far down your throat you can shove your foot. In fact, I’ll even help push.

They Haven’t Stolen This One… Yet
While the bad guys were celebrating their victory in Minnesota, several thousand miles to the south the good guys (and gals) won at least a temporary victory in Honduras.

Unfortunately, rather than cheer the sensible (and completely legal) actions of responsible Hondurans, our President has chosen to side with Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez and demand that the so-called “coup” be reversed.

In case you didn’t follow the story, here’s a quick recap. The Honduran constitution forbids a president succeed himself. The then-president, Manuel Zelaya, inspired by Venezuela’s Marxist boss, Hugo Chavez, decided to change the rules. He asked the Honduran Congress to amend the constitution to permit him to run again. The Congress, which was fed up with all of his unconstitutional shenanigans, said “absolutely not.”

So Zelaya vowed to go “to the people.” He said he would hold an illegal referendum. When the courts wouldn’t sanction his scheme, his buddy Chavez had a bunch of ballots printed in Venezuela and smuggled into Honduras.

When the military got wind of this, they seized the ballots. That’s when Zelaya said he would lead a mob to the military base where they were stored and have them distributed.

With that, responsible Hondurans said “enough.” Well, actually, they said “basta” and a lot of more colorful words. The Honduran Supreme Court ordered the military to arrest Zelaya. The Honduran Congress voted to support the action. So two weeks ago, Honduran soldiers marched into the presidential palace, seized Zelaya, and put him on a plane to Costa Rica.

This very reasonable and even humane action (most would-be dictators kill their opponents) sent the left into absolute conniption fits. The United Nations voted unanimously to condemn the action. Here’s an important principle, folks. When a majority of the members of the United Nations favors something, you can bet your bottom dollar that it’s bad for freedom.

As I write these words, Hondurans are refusing to buckle under to all the international pressure—even that coming from Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

Roberto Micheletti, the speaker of the Honduran congress, was named as caretaker president to serve out Zelaya’s term. Micheletti declared, “We have established a democratic government, and we will not cede to pressure from anyone. We are a sovereign country.”

When Zelaya tried to return to the country, Micheletti ordered the airport closed. Zelaya’s plane was not allowed to land. Time will tell if Micheletti and his brave and determined allies in Honduras will succeed.

A handful of Americans have come to their defense. Senator Jim DeMint (R-SC), a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, issued a statement saying, “The rule of law is working in Honduras. President Obama should not undermine the democratic institutions that guarantee freedom by forcing an illegitimate president back into power…. The United States should support the Honduran people and their legitimate leaders in their brave and heroic stand for freedom and the rule of law.” To which I offer a hearty “amen.”

If you haven’t already done so (and if by the time you read this Hondurans are still clinging to their freedom), please ask your senators and representatives to support them. It’s time we helped the good guys win one.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • s c

    Did Minnesota adopt Chicago’s ‘instant vote’ methods? [counters who can't read or count, dead voters, last-minute votes from people who live in other states]. In a way, it would be poetic justice if Big Al is another Biden or Gore. Biden and Gore have mastered jamming both feet in their mouths (around the world). Big Al should have studied The Three Stooges. They were funny. They had real jobs.
    They were intelligent. They weren’t jerks. This farce could result in a movie (it could happen). Call it Anybody Can Get Elected If They Move to Minnesota or I Am Paid to Stay Away from Minnesota or
    What Did George Washington Have That I Don’t?

    • Brian Rawls

      Forever Stewart Smoley. What a terd russler.

      • BobBartoe

        That is Stuart Smalley. And, yes, he is a morally bankrupt being. He will fit in nicely with the other usurpers in Washington.

    • Norm

      s.c .
      You sound like the 4′th stooge.

      • Dana

        The “4th stooge” is the big mouth clown that, together with Osama bin Biden’s buddy ACORN” stole the election

        • Smilee

          YOUR FRUSTRATION IS SOOOOOOOOO FUNNY

        • Norm

          Obama’s policies may be debated, but he won the election 365 to 173 electoral votes. This is far better than Bush ever did. You right wingers just don’t get it. Your as dangerous as any of the left extremests.

          • john meyer

            norm your a troll arobot when are you gonna wake up bud?

          • patricia

            Like I have said before You didnt just drink the kool-aid you must have been baptised in it . I guess this is only right when most people who voted for this farce of a president think he is the lord all mighty.. GET A GRIP GOD NO ANTI-CHRIST YES!!!!!!!!!!

          • feedup

            Hey , Norm If I promised you the moon as you laid in bed all day eating government suppied cheeto’s .While the rest of us got up and went to work so you could keep your ass in bed .I could most likly get every dead beat that hadn’t voted in thier life drawing welfare to show up and vote for dead JACKASS like the one you have now . You Socalist kill me just keep it up ,tell me something Norm why should I get up everyday and go to my job so you lazy jerks can seat at home on your butt drawing a check because you say its so hard out in the real world..I can’t or I want should be the Dem’s motto.. Why should people work so you dont have to , and believe me that who voted for this person to be your president.. the dead beats of this world the nonproductives ,the paper pirates,…Promise me the moon Norm and I’ll vote for even you…

          • Ken

            Give our President a couple more years to spend you into debt you can’t count Norm, and your tune will likely change. Obama (and the county) would benefit from a couple of basic economics classes. I doubt that you spend more than you make on a regular basis. The Country shouldn’t either. Thanks to a couple of college kids ACORN got exposed for the farce that it is. If ACORN was the difference in putting Al Franken in office then our country has hit a new low.

          • Scarlet4America

            If you would bother to under stand the electoral votes, they are not consistently applied in each stated. That isn’t the victory it appears to be. Further, ACORN committed so much voter fraud that these votes will never be challenged because Obama is in their pocket and vice versa. This is payback time for all of Obama’s cronies and followers…they get a free pass for now. But look out in 2010…..the sleeping giant is finally awakening and Americans who have been a sleep are realizing they were just taken by the biggest scam in history. You anti-Americans living here and enjoying the freedom of being an American, while selling out America will soon find out the hard way and that will be a good thing!

        • Bob McCarter

          Norm – Obama’s win is the triumph of selfishness over thrift. More people voted (for Obama) that want their free lunch than those that know that there is no such thing

          • art

            obama won because no one with half a brain in this country wanted four more years of republican rule. after all you peope put in office w bush an unemployed drunk till age fourty, a coward who hid under his daddy’s coat tails to aoid serving his country in viet nam, a “born again” right wing christian (hypocrite) who stole more from america than we’ll ever know. not to mention the lies to americans that led to the iraq war, our dead soldiers along with thousands of women and children for nothing more than his ego. and the fact that w let 911 happen so he could scare america into giving him everything he wanted. given my choices socialism sounds better than a retarded dictator like w bush. neither will happen though, we as amerians will never permit it. if obama screws up we have our votes. i saygive him a try, he canot screw up any more than w bush did

          • Ken

            Art, your High School is embarrassed!

        • Susan

          Wow Norm. Too bad you can’t spell.

          The fact of the matter is that you’re the dangerous one. People like you fall for every hook, line and sinker some slick-talking schmoozer puts out, votes for him and then declares him some kind of god. These are the same idiots who think Obama is an honest and truthful person and voted for Al Franken.

          Personally, I find it hilarious that a has-been comedian like Al was voted in as a demorat – you deserve him.

          Now take your liberal butt out there and make more money for your illegal friends who depend on your tax dollars to live!

        • Julie

          FYI: The Bamster really didn’t win that last election! I’ve been doing some personal research, and it can be said that ACORN STOLE it for him instead with too many illegal and fraudulent votes to count!

          Newsflash — Sarah Palin actually pulled out that victory in 2008! She went against the wind, against the tide, and against the current, and even with the MSM wholly in the pocket of the Bamster, she crossed that finish line with 3% MORE popular votes and 60 MORE electoral votes than the Bamster did! AND she did this pulling McCain’s ancient ass with her!!

          Go ahead and vet this information for yourselves and tell me what you think! I double dog dare you!!

          Julie

          P.S. He’s also NOT the real President because he doesn’t have a birth certificate with a raised seal from Hawaii AND he doesn’t currently have citizenship either!

          • http://personallibertydigest Becky

            You sound like one of those white boy racists who whould not believe OUR president was born in the united states even when there is a copy of it on the web. You rities are all so stupid with your insane theories. We won, we’re in, so
            GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • cr747

            This reply is for Becky. Enjoy these 4 years, because there won’t be another 4 after all the lies he has told.

          • Ken

            Becky,you ignorant (word removed), (as Dan Akryoid) might say) the role of an election is not to win, but to elect people who will serve the country before serving their own narrow interests.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Thing is about Al Franken, is that if one rubs Preparation H all over him, he disappears.

        • Smilee

          I know you want to get rid of his so badly and if this is true why don’t you just get out your H and do it to him and make your dreams come true. Mark how do you come up with these stupid stupid statements and WHY!!

          • patricia

            How do you liberals come up with such stupid, corrupt,and un-american polititions?

    • Smilee

      s c on July 17th, 2009 at 9:35 am:

      “What Did George Washington Have That I Don’t?”

      BRAINS AND COMMON SENSE

      • John the Carpenter

        …WOODEN TEETH, A HEMP PLANTATION AND SLAVES

        • Smilee

          John, that too

    • Mike Gibson

      Pardon me but a lot of people seem to be surprised that Stuart Smally stole the election. That’s what democrat/liberals do. The only thing they know is fraud and deceit. It’s their stock in trade. Just look at the presidential election. They put an constitutionally unqualified bozo in the oval office.

      • Gina

        This is so true. The Democrats with ACORN fraudulently won this election.

        • staats9

          They are not democrats they are communist.An acorn and obama are being USED.

        • debra

          Did you guys know that before this election ..if you were a convicted felon you were not allowed to vote..Somehow before the election acorn was able to get the law changed and were able to register all of Obamas brothers and sistas. You can not convince me they are only 12% of the population!!

        • B

          Debra,

          You sound like a racist (with your brothas and sistas comment). I take exception to all of the racially charged comments, I am not saying that all comments are full of racial slurs and inuendos, but for those comments and side swipes that are, I take offence. Wake up Debra and the rest of you water downed KKK white sheet wearers unless the Republican party expands its tent to include all conservatives and make them feel welcomed (yes, bigots there are minorities who are conservatives and did not vote for President Obama!) you can kiss your chances of winning the White House good-bye for good! If you can not be civil and non-racist because the real Bible and the real Jesus taught this then perhaps your desire to have a conservative in the White House who will not tax us to poverty will give you pause to change your non-inclusive and offensive rhetoric.

          • keith

            GIVE THE RACIST REDERIC A BREAK WILL YAH,YALL HAVE ABOUT WORE THAT ONE OUT!

      • Janice Ball

        I know that ACORN helped Franken steal the election, what I don’t understand is how Coleman could let him get away with it.

        • Smilee

          Your dead wrong, It was the Supreme Court of MN that gave him the win and none of them are ACCORN members

        • Jo Anna

          It was Acorn, the Supreme court of Minn., and the electoral administration who ALL cost Coleman his rightful election into office – this was a travesty. It is criminal what happened – some precincts had more votes for Franken then they had citizens living in the pricinct. Do you really thing that Americans are going to stand by and keep letting this happen – you must be kidding. Honesty and truth will prevail in the end.HANG IN THERE COLEMAN – WE LOVE YA. jO

      • John the Carpenter

        Why do you folks have so much issue with ACORN getting citizens of our country involved in the Democratic process? Stop watching FOX news, get out into the world, and meet these folks. You may be (pleasantly) surprised at what you find!

        • Mike Gibson

          I have no problem with the goal ACORN originally had. What I have a problem with is the crooks it took them to become. A few dollars and they were more that willing to sell what integrity, assuming they ever had any, and spend time buying democrat/liberal votes. Did you know that the first place democrat/liberals went for votes were jails and bail bondsmen to get the worst of the worst for democrat/liberal votes? You really want criminals to vote democrat/liberal? The only reason they vote that way is because democrat/liberals are soft on crime and don’t believe in any kind of personal responsibility. That the kind of scum you want leading America? I guess so, Ted ( the murderer and drunk ) Kennedy gets elected year after year.

        • Smilee

          Well we agree on one thing

        • John Wilson

          John the Carpenter-

          I do know a lot of these folks and you’re right, many of them are good folks. However, being good folks and registering illegally is not synonymous.

        • gia

          Yes, I’ve met them in my neighborhood, and they are all ignorant boneheads, who will get exactly what they deserve when the government is taking 80% of their paycheck!

        • John the Carpenter

          Gia, you’ve just proven who the ignorant bonehead is.

        • John Derrick

          John the Carpenter Wrote:

          July 20th, 2009 at 11:17 am

          Why do you folks have so much issue with ACORN getting citizens of our country involved in the Democratic process? Stop watching FOX news, get out into the world, and meet these folks. You may be (pleasantly) surprised at what you find!

          John; if you’d watched FOX, you too would have learned that ACORN had the entire Offensive Line of the Dallas Cowboys registered in Colorado…other reports were public from New Jersey and several other states… CNN, MSNBC, CBS didn’t break this for obvious reasons, we hope you can figure this one for yourself.

      • http://www.personalliberty.com Mint

        By “unqualified bozo”, I hope you are referring to George Bush and Dick Cheney! I lovingly refer to them as “Frank & Jesse James” because for the past 8 years, they took their own sweet time and totally and completely screwed this country up! Now you expect this president to remedy this mess overnight??? How unrealistic, but most importantly, how freaking unfair! I say this president should have as much time to repair this mess as the last two bufoons had to screw it up!

    • dan irwin

      Palin / Coleman
      2 1 1 2

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        No, thats Palin-Jindal 2012

        • Janice Ball

          Mark, I truly respect and admire Gov. Jindal. However, Unless I am mistaken he is not a NBC, in other words, his parents were not citizens at the time of his birth.

          If I am wrong I would vote for him in a heartbeat. But I believe the constitution is more important that any politician.

          • patricia

            His parents were on the legal path to become citizens so his birth made him a citizen,not like the millions of illegal that swam the rio grande to give birth in our country.. people need to know our laws and abide by them. That is what is wrong with this country,if you dont know the laws they cant be inforced and if you dont know our history we are doomed to repeat it DOOMED I SAY!!!!!

        • The Old Hippie

          Doesn’t make any difference if his parents are citizens or not. If he was born in USA he’s a citizen of USA and eligible to be President.

        • Dee

          Look folks, we are still not certain Obama has a valid birth certificate but the country put him in office. This government is a joke no wonder the world laughs at America. It is high time people open their eyes our freedoms are diappearing every day but you far left liberals like that don’t you? Just remember good will always prevail bad. The gene pool needs chlorine.

          Ta ta bloggers

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          I believe if both parents are born here, and the baby is born abroad, like John McCain, you are a citizen. And If im not wrong, if neither parent is a citizen, but the child is born on American soil, he or she is a citizen. I may be wrong, but Im thinking that is how it is.

          • Jo Anna

            YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT. JO

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          To Paul and Average Joe – Dennis Kucinich, are you serious? Ron Paul I could run with, but Dennis Kucinich is one of the biggest whack jobs Ive ever seen, and he didnt do very well in Ohio when he was in office now did he? I believe he turned out to be a real stinker.

        • John the Carpenter

          @Dee: ” we are still not certain Obama has a valid birth certificate” You CRACK ME UP! Come on! Get serious!

      • AkCoyote

        Palin / Bachmann 2012

        • Average Joe

          Actually we need to get away from this Repub/Dem thing…a two headed one party system…How about…Ron Paul / Dennis Kucinich 2012?..the two most sensible “elected” officials in the capitol.

        • Smilee

          [Reply]AkCoyote Reply: July 17th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

          Palin / Bachmann 2012

          Oh I hope so, Obama would then rack up the biggest landslide in history.

          • Packeryman

            Matt, you are right, this political split in the nation is not healthy. This came about with the take over of the free airways being used as a propaganda tool for corporate and far right interest. You can drive coast to coast, the AM airways are saturated with this far right disinformation 24hrs a day. It has become cult like that the days talking points are spewed by all the right wing shock jocks and regurgitated by the sheep that follow them. The 20 to 24 percent conservatives that(base) make up most of the Republican party couldn’t win a dog catchers race without the Independents and Moderates who have left the party. the far right fiscal and religious have hijacked the GOP. With the de facto leader(Limbaugh)ranting and raving about flushing and purging the party of Moderates and Rinos, the GOP will have only the hard right left. Try running a Gingrich/Palin, Huckbee/Palin, Perry/Palin or any other two far right wing nuts for the two top positions and the GOP will go down to a worst defeat than Goldwater in 1964. Most Americans are in the middle of the political spectrum as illustrated in the last election. We now have a new phenomenon occurring, the largest demographic change in American history. The new wave of illegal immigrants perpetuated by both parties Democrats wanting votes and Republicans wanting cheap labor. The GOP has lost this vote, I know I live in South Texas. The same radical Latino groups that put 500,000 in the streets of L.A. will sign them up for the Democratic party as soon as a comprehensive immigration bill(Amnesty) passes. This will put 13 to 30 million on the Democrat roles. The reactionary political ideology of the obstructionist party of NO, will have to make a major change or the nuts left in the GOP can ride a dead horse to the ground. Then you go the way of the Whigs.

        • Paul Trood

          Here Here, Average Joe, in my view these are the only 2 guys that should be running the show.

        • John the Carpenter

          Obama will rack up the biggest landslide in history because the Repubs don’t have anyone! Sarah Palin, GIVE ME A BREAK! LOL!!!!!!! You guys KNOW you have no chance, that’s why you got your panties are all bunched up. Adapt or perish. That’s the best advice anyone could give you folks.

        • Liberal Bob

          Great Idea! Palin/Bachmann 2012 You guys could call it the nutcase ticket.

          • john meyer

            (Comment removed for offensive content)

      • Suddencall

        Franken won fair and square and coleman made an ass out of himself by not conceding.He ( Coleman ) did niot deserve to win.
        I think that it would be great if Palin and Coleman run in the next election.That will mean a landslide victory for Obama and that would be verry good news for all Americans and the rest of the world.The Republicans did not learn a thing ,Just more ignorance all around.
        Its hard to believe that republicans wanting to destroy all our institutions and even the constitution think that America is going to support that.That is the diffinition of terrorism.
        How about some honest republicans coming foward with some new ideas that are for America instead of against us?

    • Rodin

      Shame on the voters for exercising their democratic rights. Every right wing American conservative has a dictator heart. You are for democracy as long as your candidate wins… otherwise you don’t like the system. As for stealing elections, the biggest steal of all was Bush in 2000…. A guy loses the popular vote has his brother rig half the voting machines in Florida and gets a conservative Supreme Court to support him and becomes president. Oh well, we reaped what we sowed. Biggest (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) 8 year headache in history.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Best 8 years of my life. My business I work for prospered, I doubled my income, bought a new house, life was good, and I was safe. Now, Ive had my pay cut by 10 percent, had my overtime cut off, my employer has had to lay off 25 guys, and that has not, I repeat has not happened here for the almost 14 years Ive been here. The dude, and to be honest, its really not Obama, but the democratic party that is to blame here, because face it, he is just the figure head of these wankers, but theyve spent in less than 10 months what they bitched about the previous admin spending in 8 years, and that included funding a war, 9-11 and hurricane Katrina. Bush did the best job Ive ever seen a President do since Ronald Reagan, and he was under attack constantly by the left wing liberal propaganda machine of ABC,CBS,NBC,CNN and MSNBC all the time. He was unfairly lambasted in the press, and his reputation ruined to the undeducated American, by a bunch of jealous democrat bastards that just couldnt stand that a guy actually came into office and did exactly what he said he would do. Oh, and by the way, where’s the oil? You know, the illegal war for oil Bush & Cheney and Halliburton were waging? Remember your ilk crying that for at least a couple of years? Where is the oil you little wanker? Thats what I thought, so I ask you, why is Obama waging war on these guys for their oil? Why is he conducting this illegal escalation into Afghanistan? What kind of war monger is he, talking about pre-emptive strikes on North Korea. Oh my God, he is a war monger, quick, curl up into the fetal position, you bunch of lying pacifist appeasing pants wetting little girls. See the truth, accept the truth. It will set you free. When history is revealed for what it actually is, as it does over a span of years, Bush’s greatness will be shown, as has Carter’s worthlessness, Lyndon Johnsons escalation of Vietnam to make millions for him and his business cronies, Kennedy winning the election with thousands of votes from dead people in Chicago, and Clinton’s selling us down the road to China and Mexico, and his allowing the muslim terrorists to repeatedly blow stuff up and do nothing, along with his sinking our banking system with his boys Barney Frank, Franklin Raines, and Jamie Gorelick. You guys can cry and cite all the bull you want, but fact is fact, and you cant change fact. History is, what it is. And it doesnt fare well for you democrats. Even FDR was a lying connniving bastard, and we are still paying today for the crap he did. So lie all you want, point fingers all you want, just look in the mirror and see the cause of your angst. The truth will set you free.

        • http://marilynparkerky.com PP

          Amen brother.

        • ED DEAR

          ILL SECOND THAT. MARK IS REAL CLOSE TO RIGHT!!! ED

        • Toni

          Wow, Mark, I could not have said it better, you go boy!

        • http://Patriot patriot

          I agree with with and will add that, I do believe we have already seen the Obama legacy, He won’t, WON’T, produce a valid Birth Certificate, any legal records to his validity of attending schools here in the United States, college included, has spent millions from his high powered lawyers to stop anyone acquiring this info. He has met with the most liberal, socialistic, dictators and has “reached out in friendship to them”, Bowed to a Saudi King, knowing full well what that entails, he grew up Muslim, his own words, so he knew fully what bowing to a King meant, subsurvience. He’s using Al Capone means to strong arm the congress to agreee and sign everything he puts in front of them without reading a thing, but giving them bribes to their states, undermining the constitution that our founding fathers designed to give us a principle to live free of tyranny. His Change is to make this country a socialistic country, and to bankrupt everyone so we have no choice. I say if you want to be socialistic, live the United States, go to Canada, France, Great Britain, Europe, Russia, pick one and go.

        • Elizabeth

          Ditto Mark,
          Bush inherited a tremendous burden with 911 and the katrina as well as an economy that had begun to fail during the latter part of the clinton years…….I don’t agree with all of his policies, thought he was a little too liberal with the illegal immigrants but for the most part I felt he did a great job and when he spoke, it came from his heart……..He may not have been as smooth as this president but his strength came through and I do believe he was a true patriot…….This present administration in six months has caused this country to come to the brink of a black hole that if we don’t stop this wild spending and careless regard for our constitution and our laws we will never recover from……..I think it is time for “all” americans to take hold of their senses and to study the impact of this mans policies……How can anyone condone the way he has maligned america as he speaks across the world…….He is president of the united states and I don’t think he understands that….he is not the leader of the world. He owes his allegiance to us…….not to foreign governments or foreign ideals……Our constituion and our values are foremost and “Our LIberty” should be defended by our leader…….I don’t understand why it is not clear to everyone who can reason that we are following a far different path than what our country was founded on……WAKE UP AMERICA ….. Before it is too late!
          You that sit so complacently waiting for the great one to drop all of the gifts he has promised you are in for a tremendous jolt when you realize that you will also be suffering right along with those of us who work hard and don’t expect our government to take care of us…….Its is time for all of us to take responsibility for our own actions and not to expect special treatment if we don’t deserve it……..This country was once a great and wonderful place for all to succeed if they applied themselves and worked hard…now it seems that only those who work hard are going to be punished and made to pay for those who would have no idea what it means to apply themselves and prosper. We are a generous nation and have always generously given to those in need……but times are changing………
          Our very LIBERTY is in jeopardy and we need to take heed of this……….pay attention and not allow our government to control all aspects of our lives…….I am a grandmother and I do not wish to see my grandchildren burdened forever with such tremendous debt that they will be forced to pay through taxes and restrictions imposed by those in power……
          I want those in power to know that 2010 is coming and that is where we will show our power at the ballot box……..people are angry at the total disregard for their thoughts and words being ignored by this congress and this president…………

          • Dave

            Elizabeth – If you believe that I’ve got a little land just south of Miami to sell ya.

            Unreal. 9/11 happens on Bush’s watch because he and Condi Liesalot and others didn’t bother with all the intelligence left in their laps by the previous admin, they lie to make a case for war, and then proceed to take all the regulatory teeth out of our banking system creating an economic meltdown………but it’s Clinton’s fault.

            Yeah right — 8 years of peace and prosperity under Clinton…along comes Bush and all the republicans to throw our country to the wolves…and it is still somehow Clinton’s fault.

            Your complete ignorance of history and reality are amazing.

        • dassieland

          To Mark & Elizabeth, I fully agree with your statements. Let’s not forget about the “tsanami” that was also during President Bush’s years in office. I truly believe President Bush will go down in history as one of the “GREATEST PRESIDENTS” we’ve ever had. How he did it with all the attacks from the Liberals is a miracle in itself. Just look what is happening now with this “racist” Sotomayor? All the praise they are giving her is unbelievable. Did they do the same for any of President Bush’s nominations? ? Mr. Gonzales also came from a poor background etc. Did any of you see tears flowing for him? They treated him just as unfairly. What about Robert Borjk?
          Palin & Duncan for 2012. God Bless America and our troops.Thanks for your sacrifices.

        • Dee

          More people need to state the facts, the liberals can only lie

        • Smilee

          Mark, your so full of yourself

          • LA

            Au contraire, Smilee. You and your coercive utopian cohorts are full of it. You love confiscating other people’s money and giving it to lifelong leeches.

        • gia

          right now all the dems have their fingers in their ears and are crying out “Nah, Nah, Nah ,Nah, Nah! I can’t hear you!!!”

        • jj

          wow your not that smart fox news anchors will get somebody killed

        • Dave

          wow mark – what a rant. So you’re one of those 21%’s who think Bush and the republicans who were in charge while our economy crumbled and a war based on lies waged, was doing the right thing.

          Seeing as how the republican’ts got their arses handed to them this last election it would appear no many folks agree with your take on history…especially historians.

          But you go on getting your news from FOX and surrounding yourself by those nutwhack teabaggin ballickin intollerant noisy dingbats.

      • Dave

        Good thing Al Gore did not make it as President. He is just as stupid as Franken. Maybe not he is trying to hoodwink us with his so called Global Warming lies so he can become the first GREEN multi billionarre> God Help Us ALL!!!!

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Oh my gosh, can you imagine? Him and G.E. would have made us all buy those 25 thousand dollar solar panels for our houses, and our neighborhoods would all look like crap. Funny, how geological scientists say the ice caps are getting bigger, and the planet is actually cooling. Even the mayflies on Lake Erie took an extra month to hatch this year because the water wasnt warmed up enough. Yeah, Al Gore and global warming. Talk about the big lie. That guy stood to make billions if he got us all to buy into it. It was all about money. Him and Franken should make a movie together, title it “blind leading the blind”.

        • staats9

          THAT FAT PIGGG

        • John the Carpenter

          @Mark: Dude, you didn’t “buy” a house, you borrowed it from a bunch of unregulated theives. The financial state your in now, (which I’m sure isn’t THAT terrible, after all Mark, how much weight have you lost from not being able to feed yourself and your family? What terrible hardship have you had to endure besides not be able to buy more even more unecessary crap to clog up your home and our landfills), was caused by Bush and Co. and the policies put in place by and since Reagan was in office. What were your comments when we had elected and ACTOR as president? He sure fooled you! And you talk about the truth setting you free? THAT’s why you are still so damn miserable, you do not, or maybe CAN NOT see the truth, no matter how blatant it is. Reagan, Bush and Co. WERE the BEST presidents ever at over-inflating an already artificially overinflated economy. THAT is why the value of our dollar is dropping so quickly, NOT because some immigrants work their asses off to feed their families back home, or a single mom collects food stamps to feed her kids since dad was killed in Iraq fighting for the right to control the flow of petroleum in SOMEONE ELSE’S COUNTRY. Come on now, be honest. Even a blind man knows when the sun is shining! You and the rest of these right wing, greedy, racist, nut jobs just need some love, don’t you?

          • john meyer

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        • Dave

          2 daves huh? One that doesn’t like science so therefor is a denialist when it comes to global warming…and then there’s me…one of a vast majority who understands what global warming is and isn’t swayed by right wing denialists.

          realclimate.org

      • Brian Rawls

        wow you put alot of emotion into that one.

        • Dee

          Yeah, we have global warming that is why it was 60 degrees ths am in Georgia, wake up lambs before the Lion eats you

          • Dave

            dee doesn’t know the difference between climate and one day’s weather. Typical wingnut.

        • Brian Rawls

          Dee please give global warming a chance. I started a campaign for my neighborhood, you can too. Start by collecting all the communities used oil. In the midnight hour dump it down the storm drains or ditches. If everyone got together we could easily counter the whole go green stuff.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          John the Carpenter, you need to go back to Syria, Iran, Moscow, or what ever hell hole you came from. My life is great, thank you. Obama just wants me to pay for some (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) that doesnt want to work, and I take issue with that, thats all.

      • Dickie

        Hey robin, I see you are still breathing good air, But I think I fould you a mate, If you promise not to breed, To make more IDIOT”S,LIER”S,THEIVES,& the most corrupt imoral SNAKES,AMERICA has ever seen, Robin meet norm,I see you two parasites, still to coward to watch other net works,Other than the goverment news, hussein obama LOST THE popular vote, You stupid (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) little mouse,IT was in chicago were that sick twisted slob franks lives with his low down trash thugs,That bullied descent AMERICANS tryed to vote,hussein did not win (WORDS REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) lied strong armed the ballot, With acorn, But one find day you blind little nothing,Will see how WRONG you are, When your arrogant (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT), Is liveing in a card board box, My nobody should be that scard to learn the truth,How can you look at anybody knowing you don”t have any pride,or respect for yourself, It must be hard being a loser,& follower, I thought more of the people in minnesota, As proud American’s,But after al franken, They need to rename there state to barmun & bayle, What in the hell were they thinking, They could not see what or who franken is DAMN!!.Where in the hell do you think pelosi,reid,murthar,franks & the damn good old boy kennedy,hussein,bullsh– health plan going to get all this trillons of dollars from, WERE, FROM US (WORDS REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT)!!!

        • Cynthia

          Just a quick FYI 60 percent of Minnesotans did not want Al Franken.

      • DaveH

        Why can’t we have a computer database of the vote? We could have two databases, both accessible to the public. One would contain the information for each person who voted (name, address or driver’s license number, or whatever necessary to authenticate that person). The other would contain the information of how each person voted. The ID for each of the voters in the “how voted” database would be an alphanumeric ID which would be known only to the voter. This could be accomplished easily by pairing the voting form with a stub containing the same alphanumeric ID as the form. There would be no public record of who got which form so the person’s vote would be completely secret.
        That way the individual could access the database and make sure that his/her vote was recorded correctly. If not, they could file a public protest. Also,
        the two databases could be counted to make sure that there was only one vote per voter. And the database of who voted could be perused by any public body who wanted to check to make sure that “Dead People” and others who aren’t allowed didn’t vote.
        Who would object to this kind of voting accountability? We need to do something now about the voter fraud that is going on and I think that this would be the perfect solution.

        • Dickie

          Dave, Pres, BUSH tryed to get a bill passed to Stop all the lieing,falsehoods,half trues,But the (WORDS REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) said hell no,They would hot listen, Look at pelosi,She is a naturel born lier,She has sucker the people of Calif, To the point of no return,Boxer, had to pay unpayed tax”es, Before she was installed in the GREAT EVIL cabinet, Along with the head of the IRS, (99% of hussein’s power thugs, Are tax cheats,or under some kind of investgation, For fraud,takeing some kind of bribes,or corruption,Hell barney franks, Got kicked out under Pres. Bush, For haveing young gay men & boy’s,for a price to party’s, reid, has fooled the people of NV, & raised tax’es, & done nothing to help them or America but piss & momme, Take about lame duck,If pelosi farts,his nose is there to catch it, If you don’t watch the state news, OR you can call Mass, for prove, The biggest terrorist of all ted kennedy’s, GREAT health plan is failing as we speak, These puppets are scard of G E, And that thug in NY,That STOP THE INVESTAGATION, Of acorn of stealing millon’s from us, I don’t care what party you are in, This will one day go down in the history book’s as the most imoral, GODLESS, Bunch of thives, American as ever seen, Oh by the way, Do you remember when we went to saudi arabia, the most DISCUSSING LOW CLASS TRASH,REPORTERS, PUT OUR HEROS IN DANGER WITH THEIR FLOOD LIGHTS,CAMERS,On our troops, What kind of trash is that?. Every time Pres. Bush tryed to stop Another type of TERRORIST, In another country, A TRAIDOR, TERRORIST IN CONGRESS, LEAKED WHAT EVER WE WERE GOING TO DO TO THE TERRORIST OWN NY TIMES< TO PUT IT ON THE AIR TO WARN THE TERRORIST OUT SIDE OF AMERICA, THAT IS WHY VICE PRES. CHENEY, DID NOT TELL CONGRESS, AND ESPECIALLY THE DAMN DEMON-CRAPS,ALL they do is try to blame their crap one someone else, Turn on them selves, Look at what hussein, Did to a supposed to be chirstian collage, Would not go to speak untill they cover up JESUS, And these ANTI-CHIRST DID!!.I think America is not sick of this crap yet, To get these old parasites out of office yet, Most of them are so arrogant or so weak, To really see what these thugs have or doing to AMERICA, They have given our jobs away for years,And we keep putting these sine back in office ever damn term, What will it take to get people to elect & NOT RELECT, WHEN you think you are above the law, & make the law, YOUCAN BREAK THE LAW, WHY CAN’T WE HAVE A VOTE ON HEALTH CARE, CAP & TRADE, OR ANYTHING, WHERE IS OUR RIGHT TO DECIDE ON SOMETHING, WE ARE NOT STUPID, OR SOME OF US ARENT ANYWAY.

          • Dave

            Wow-what a moronic rant. By the way it’s “liar” not “lier”. When you mispell even simple words you look like the gullible idiot you are.

        • Average Joe

          David H,
          Why can’t we just have a simple version.
          Mark your vote on a ballot.
          Fold the ballot like a letter.
          Place the ballot in a clear lucite box in the precinct, in full public veiw at all times.
          Counted 3 times by three different party heads(Republican,Democrat and a Independent) in full veiw of the public at all times and post the results on a board before calling the statehouse with voting results.
          Why does it need to be any more complicated than that?
          Technology can be a wonderful thing, but some things just do not require it.
          As a example, google a documentary called “Hacking Democracy”. It won awards for investigative reporting and journalism.

        • debra

          Dave great idea! But to take it even further why dont they let us vote on every bill that those evil people try to pass.(Pelosi,Reid,Dodd,Barney fag,..) With tech.the way is today they should be to put into every houshold,perhaps a ding or red light to remind people to vote. The way it is now those idiots are shoving thru their on agenda..and it is ruining this country. And you know they really would not need to be in DC anymore, and they could stay in their on state and find out what the people really want. TOO...Nancy Pelosi would have to give up her 727 jet that she jets around in. Think about all those jets ,the fuel saved, and the decrease in polutions.Yeah...thats the ticket..let`s throw their sorry asses out of town,

        • Paul

          Debra, we live in a Republic. We have no right to vote on every or any bill these vermin propose. If you really wish to make a change for the better, if you wish for a return to the Rule of Law, you have only one real option. At the next election, local, state or national, vote out the incumbent. The only true loss would be that Ron Paul would be out of office. But that would be small price to pay to put the fear of God into these power mad dastardly swine out of our White House, Congress, State Capital, or City government.

        • Robin, Arcadia, IN

          I agree… Barry wants to change things and as quickly as possible. Maybe the next term our new president will see the need to revamp the voting procedure. Dems wouldn’t want to change anything because it gets them elected the way it is. But, if it was an honest election, a lot of Dems would be packing their bags and looking for work!

        • http://none Irate Grandma

          You are a wise man, my friend. Until we gain some control of illegal votes (dead people, non-existent people, illegal aliens, those registered 75 times by Acorn, etc) we can expect the election outcomes not to be what the real people voted for. After that, someone should tell the voting public in general that just because they voted for someone who proved to be nothing more than a self-serving crook, they don’t have to keep re-electing them. We need to set term limits which is going to be difficult, considering that the people who have to vote for them are the ones who would be unemployed if term limits passed. My Dad’s political philosphy was “Vote for whoever’s not in office. It’ll take them awhile to get their hands in our pockets.”. The older I get, the wiser my Dad seems.

          • Dave

            Irate stupid grandma,

            All your paranoid delusions about ACORN are wasted energy. Sure they shouldn’t have had quotas when registering voters, which led to some rather funny name being put on those lists…..but the key point is………IT DOESN’T BECOME FRAUD UNLESS MICKEY MOUSE OR DONALD DUCK ACTUALLY SHOW UP TO VOTE.

            Republicans have set up this strawman in ACORN and just keep beating it. Now it looks like that O’Keefe joker is in some hot water along with the wingnuts who funded him.

            Have fun beating your strawman.

            We all know republicans don’t like acorn so much is because they are set up to help the poor and needy and minorities without a voice. And poor minorities don’t break republican at the polls. Angry old white people don’t hate acorn for some overblown contrived and paid for controversy….they don’t like acorn because acorn helps get blacks to the polling booth.

        • Dave

          wow daveH – you’re as dimwitted as irategrandma.

          Do some research on Diebold….the company who supplied the voting machines in Ohio for Bush in 04. They’ve been in such deep doo doo they’ve since changed their name. Read all the headlines regarding the CEO of that outfit and his connections to Bush.

          Interesting read.

          I agree something needs to be done with the current system that allowed Bush to win in 2000 with a minority of the votes and again in 04 with the Diebold scandal.

          Beating up on acorn won’t help. Remember…the ONLY way those bogus registered names on those lists become actual fraud IS IF MICKEY MOUSE OR DONALD DUCK ACTUALLY SHOWED UP AT THE VOTING BOOTH…AND NONE OF THEM DID…IE NO FRAUD. The only thing you need to change by those canvassers is to not have them paid through a quota system…thus no incentive to lengthen the list of names by an means.

      • Average Guy

        Robin, that’s what I like about you liberal zombies…..you never have the real facts. You just mouth the party line. Conservatives hold the constitution dear. Something you obviously have never read. The President is elected by Electoral College vote, not popular vote. If you don’t like that, then start a constitutional amendment. As for your other uninformed comment about Jeb Bush rigging half the voting machine…Florida didn’t use voting machines in 2000. They used punch cards. That was the “Hanging Chad” recount exercise. I suggest you spend less time on the blogs and more time educating yourself. Read the Communist Manifesto, Mien Kampf, Orwell’s “1984” and Saul Alinsky’s ‘ Rules for Radicals” These are the books your hero Obama has read, loves and emulates on a daily basis. BTW, how is that Hope & Change working out for you?

        • Dave

          Machines were used in Florida to count the holes left by the punched chads you dingbat.

          The mindless lemmings on the right are amazing. Facts don’t matter, just noise and banter and fearmongering. FOX and right wing talk radio are great at all three. Not only do they spew misinformation, their distortions are so blantant as to make them laughable.

          Glenn Beck, Hannity, Rush, Michell Malkin, Mike (Weiner) Savage and the other usual suspects deceive only those stupid enough to let them.

          The poor run of the mill conservative has no home. The republican party has been taken over by dangerous radicals.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        If thats the way you see it, have another lude.

      • Jo Anna

        WHEN ARE YOU DEMS GOING TO FIGURE OUT THAT B.O. IS A COMMUNIST AT HEART WITH A BUNCH OF COMMUNIST CZARS AND AN AGENDA THAT WILL DESTROY OUR FREE ENTERPRISE ECONOMY IF HE STAYS IN OFFICE AND DESTROY ALL YOUR FREEDOMS AND THE CONSTITUTION AND YOUR BILL OF RIGHTS!!! – VOTE ALL THE LIBERAL DEM COMMIES OUT – 2010 AND 2012

        • Dave

          Wow Joann – paranoid and stupid. What a way to go through life.

    • Dave

      By the way…One of Franken’s books is “Rush Limbaugh Is A Big Fat Idiot”….no “Liar”. You obviously didn’t read the book, Chipster.

      Al won because Coleman was one of the sleaziest guys on capital hill and all the failed republican policies of the prior 8 years came home to roost.

      If republicans actually offered up different policies instead of those which are known failures (tax breaks for the wealthiest 3% and deregulate everything in sight so crooks can take advantage and rabid anti immigration, and pro-intollerance) they might wing some folks over. But the poor republican party has been taken over by fanatics who now control the radical republican message which is reinforced on FOX Noise and right wing talk radio.

      It’s failed republican policy that put our nation on its ear and if republican candidates just keep preaching the same mantra the republican party is toast.

    • Dennis

      This has noting to do with the subject at hand…DIRECTLY…but very important regaurdless.

      Isn’t this just great… Illinos Capital of Corruption

      Mosque Foundation websitereports that Sheikh Kifah Mustapha recently completed a four day training session in Springfield
      Radical Fundraiser Becomes Illinois Police Chaplain
      By Editor Thursday, January 7, 2010
      Previously on the IPT blog we stressed the need for the Defense Department’s Islamic Chaplaincy program to adopt a stricter vetting process, citing historically radical imams who have served in the program.

      Now the same can be said for the chaplaincy program for the Illinois State Police. The Mosque Foundation websitereports that Sheikh Kifah Mustapha recently completed a four day training session in Springfield, Illinois to become the first certified Muslim chaplain for the Illinois State Police.

      Mustapha’s name appears on a list of unindicted co-conspirators in the Holy Land Foundation (HLF) Hamas financing trail, which ended with sweeping convictions in November of 2008. On this list he is identified as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestine Committee.

      There is more to the story…
      and I am sure it doesn’t get better

  • Linda LeBlanc

    I was talking with a friend from California, and he told me that Al Franken owes thousands in California taxes he refuses to pay. Is this true and how can he get away with that if so.

    • Dana

      Simple. He is a LIBERAL. They don’t have to pay taxes. If you don’t believe it just look at Osama bin Biden’s cabinet

      • dan irwin

        yea, or chevron’s

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Thats the rules. Democrats raise taxes on all, but they are above paying them, because according to them, their (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) dont stink.

    • Rodin

      I love hearsay… you can get away with any drivel you want. Just make something up… say you heard it somewhere and then start debating it as if it’s already true. Give your heads a collective shake… you’re blind idiots.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Boy do I ever agree with you Rodin, the Democrats are indeed blind idiots.

      • DaveH

        You were just earlier embracing the theory that Florida’a election was rigged for Bush. Is not what’s good for the goose, good for the gander? And do you think name-calling wins the debate?

        • Average Joe

          DaveH,
          So in your opinion…Two wrongs make it right? Tomorrow morning ..pour yourself a extra bowl of stupid…you’ll get there faster…not that I don’t think you’re getting real close at this point.

          ‘They say,” the road to ruin is paved by good intentions”, and we keep making potholes’

        • DaveH

          Real intelligent Average, I was just using the same phrase Rodin used. Most people on this board can communicate/debate without needing to resort to the manipulation of name-calling.

      • DaveH

        Rodin,
        I’m afraid you are the “Blind Idiot”. From Wikipedia “On April 29, 2008, Franken released a statement noting that he will pay about $70,000 in back income taxes in 17 states dating to 2003.” Of course he will pay when he gets caught. Gee, what a great society, we get completely exonerated if we pay after we get caught.

        • bill

          Spiro Agnew got screwed when his bookeeper failed to declare $13,000 in income when he was gov of MD. Compare that to our bandit sec of treasury who got away with a whole lot more over multi years and had even been warned by the IRS. He gets promoted!! Wow, have we changed or what??

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          I dont think he will pay. Hes a democrat.

      • Brian Rawls

        You must have had a horrible childhood Rodin. You have so much hate inside. All you do is say rude things to everyone. Take a break from it all. SNAP INTO A SLIMJIM!

        • http://donthaveone Mark

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    • cr747

      BECAUSE HE IS A CONGRESSMAN NOW AND THEY ARE ABOVE THE LAW. WHY DO YOU THINK HE RAN FOR CONGRESS, ALTHOUGH HE IS RATED THE SECOND MOST STUPID CONGRESSMAN IN THE WHITEHOUSE OR WASHINGTON.

  • http://WND Terry Strother

    Brian,

    WELL STATED!!!

    • Brian Rawls

      lol

    • Dave

      ditto!!!

  • Charlene Bedford

    I am ashamed that our president is siding with dictators and subbing those fighting for democracy in Honduras. It amazes me just how much President Obama appears to like dictators like Chavez & Castro. Hummmm….maybe he’s admiring their positions too.

    • John A

      There is a lot that is finally coming out about our President. (or is he?)

      Stay tuned, listen up, and rise up to do something about it.

      • Charlene Bedford

        Going to Washington on Sept. 12 for the million person march of protest? I’ll be there, even if it does no good.

        • keith

          YEP

      • germak13

        Amen to that!

      • Dave

        He still refuses to submit his birth certificate. I still think he was born in Kenya. The dems shoved an illegal upon this country.

        • Norm

          Dave
          That’s dumb.

        • Smilee

          Dave Reply:
          July 17th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

          He still refuses to submit his birth certificate. I still think he was born in Kenya. The dems shoved an illegal upon this country.

          Dave the supreme court put an end to this when it would not hear this silly lawsuit, its all over and done with, the effort failed, the burden of proof was on the guy who filed the lawsuit and and not Obama. So why should he furnish it. Have you read this lawsuit, I have it really is a big joke, no evidence just a lot of accusations with nothing to back it up . See any evidence on the net, I have not, don’t you think if there was some it would be on every conservative websight on the net and then maybe others might take it serious. It is a dead horse when you going to quit beating it????

        • http://Patriot patriot

          very true, McCain had to produce his why did Obama not even get questioned by the Media?? And why had he not still produced a Valid document? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, Kenya, Muslim, bows to a King, HMMMMMMM if it looks like a duck, must be a

        • Average Joe

          Smilee,
          Apparently you don’t keep abreast of current events, the Supreme court has recently agreed to hear a few of those cases.They were turned down originally because of the way in which they were filed….they have since been amended and will be heard.
          Of course some of us are saddend that we are just not as all knowing as you…please forgive us…as for why he should produce the original long form birth certificate….because there IS doubt and therefore is constitutionally mandated…You Smilee, are nothing more than a Troll…

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Smilee, what the hell? What do you mean why should he have to show his birth certificate? You bet your sweet bippy if he was a republican, this is all you would be hearing everyday on ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC, as every democrat would be on there crying for it to be shown every stinking day, and you know what, I would agree with them, as I am not blind to my party not being perfect. The law is the law and the constitution is to be upheld. The President is to be a US Citizen, and your guy has failed to prove it so, and I think thats because he cant do it. You get so angry Smilee when someone says something about your great Obama, even if its true. I want my President to be a citizen as called for by our constitution, and I cant believe you dont. Could it be Smilee, that you are racist, and because Obama is black you will blindly back anything he does? Yes, I think thats it. I have read your rants here, and you my friend, are a bigotted racist. I myself dont care what color the guy is, I want to know he is a citizen, black, white or red, yellow, it doesnt matter. If he is a white guy, and not a citizen, I want him out. But it seems to you, he can do no wrong, even though he keeps making mistake after mistake, but see, unlike you, I recognize that its not really him making all these bonehead moves, its his democrat party. He can only do what congress and his cronies direct him to do. It is all blowing up, and they are going to throw him under the bus to save their hinies. Watch and see. And please, when it happens, if you play the race card, play it on the democrats that pitch him under the bus, not on the other party.

          • keith

            TRYING TO TALK SENSE TO LIBRAL IS LIKE TRYING TO DRIVE A TOOTHPICK THROUGH A CINDERBLOCK!

          • john meyer

            good liberal is a dead liberal

        • Smilee

          Mark,

          You only know how to express your self in your own crated fantasized fiction, you do not know how to recognize the truth. Your president is a natural born citizen the vital statistics office in Hawaii has looked at their records and certified his birth certificate is valid and that he fact was born in Hawaii, in addition the courts have ruled that all these lawsuits claiming otherwise lack standing and the appeal to the Supreme Court refused to hear them and left standing the lower courts findings. The rest of your post does not require a response as it is nothing more than fiction in the standard conservative prattle. In another words 100& BS

        • Smilee

          Average Joe Reply:
          July 19th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

          Its you that does not keep abreast these lawsuits were dismissed because the plaintiff lacked standing and you cannot amend that, you could file a new lawsuit with different set of facts and I do not know if that has been done. The Supreme court refused to hear these cases and left standing the findings of the lower courts making this final. The long form is the form that is supplied to the vital statistics office from which they make the official certified birth certificate and it is on file but they do not release them as it is only the basis of the certified one that the office in this case says is a correct and accurate reflection of the long form and the official record, it is only the form the hospital furnishes the information to their office on.
          If a new lawsuit is filed and it has standing then it will go to trial where it is filed and work its way up to the supreme court for review if appealed but its not likely this effort will ever succeed as it is nothing more than conservative fiction and by keeping it filed they can convince the likes of all those making that claim on here and other place in other words it is their method of keeping this conservative prattle ongoing by giving them reason to keep repeating this fiction and hope to all those who want so bad to believe this BS.. Wake up you are fighting a losing battle. Don’t blame me, what I say has no relevance on this matter I only passed on the facts and had no part in their creation

        • John Derrick

          Smilee:
          You don’t know what you’re talking about as I’ve personally seen a copy of his “produced” “birth certificate” and it is only a “live-birth” certificate, not a “sealed” birth certificate. His mother was 8-months pregnant in Kenya and was not allowed to board a long-distance flight as it poses a risk of inducing labor….so….Obama’s mother traveled to Hawaii AFTER he was born and as he had no citizenship was only issued a “live-birth” certificate without a seal. This doesn’t qualify as birth-right “citizenship.”

          Get your facts straight…oh, wait…what am I thinking; left-wing liberals don’t rely on facts..just opinions…silly me.

          Bottom line, if Obama has nothing to hide…why not produce evidence to put the matter to rest. By the way Mark….you are right, if Obama were a Republican, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, et al would be all over the story! The fact that the matter has been “hushed” brings suspicion does it not? As for which Party…who cares…law is law and regardless of which Party you represent, we ALL should agree that the law of the land supercedes all else.

    • Bob

      Well the big O just want’s a third- firth- fifth term ECT. and with the UN’s help and a packed suprem court he might get it.

      • linda trebe

        I hate to tell you this but OBAMA has already repealed the 22nd Amendment to now read something like a “lifetime” term! Signed during the night of course. Check it out. Those may not be the exact words but it means the same thing….people should know that he (Obama) has already not only walked all over The Constitution but has tampered with it too.

        • Smilee

          linda trebe Reply: uly 17th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

          Oh Linda, Linda, no president can change the constitution. the constitution denys him any role in amending it, Only the congress and the states can do that. He cannot propose a change or have a vote or anything with amendments to it , if you do not know this about the constitution then do you really know anything about it, and the question then arises then how has he walked all over it and tampered with it, you neglected to tell us these facts. Sounds to be little a a statement a ditto head would make

        • Patriotic American

          Obama has asked us to be patient. The stimulus is designed to work over a 2 year period. TRANSLATION: In 2 years
          America will be completely socialist; the Supreme Court will be “in his pocket”; the Constitution will be just an old piece of paper; Obama will be “President for Life” and it will be too late to change back.

        • David

          Smilee….Jumped in a little too quick there didn’t you. Read it again!!! Linda was simply making fun of Obama and his total disregard for the Constitution. If he can ignore it and take actions contrary to it, then what is the difference if he actually took a sharpie and changed it. Either way, the result is the same!!!! No, I am not a ditto head but I can most certainly tell you are an idiot waiting for their handout!

        • Dickie

          Hey, smilley,Do us a favor,Look up on how got her position,I have heard from the news media.That acording to the constitution,She or no one can serve as secretary of state,Because of her past position’s,But she is a demon-craft,But please for the love of GOD!,Don’t go to the goverment own media,Those little puppet’s are to scard to say anything against hussein,or the demon’s,Or they would lose their job’s,If they new the truth,And was to tell it,But they are not men or women,They don’t have a mind,They are loser’s,These imoral,no pride, They would sell their mother’s,& children,To save their useless sole’s,no they don’t have a real sole,Their BOUGHT MIND’S,& THOUHGT’S, So please tell us how hillary,Has this job.

        • Smilee

          David and Dickie, I will not respond directly to your statements as you quite clearly show us by your posts how little you understand what the Constitution is and does and also how little you understand how government works. David, you could of fooled me you sure talk like ditto head and ditto heads can only respond as their masters permit, its clear you both do that.

    • dan irwin

      Dude do you read the papers? Might want to start.

      • Wally

        What papers? The New York Times ? Good Grief.

        • dan irwin

          Your right! No news is better than slanted news.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Or the LA Times. ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC. You know, these days you will get more truth out of the National Enquirer than any of these so called media outlets. They are all owned by democrats, and are their propaganda machine. How do you think change change change worked? Thats right, the power of marketing. People heard it a billion times, and didnt get educated, and now look what is happening. Its sad.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        I cancelled my newspaper subscription because the only truth I could find in it was in the Sports section, and even those guys are cheating now. Dems own almost all the news outlets, and Im not supporting their left wing pacifist appeasing pants wetting agenda. I just say no.

        • Norm

          If you want bias try Fox, Rush, Sean, O’rielly etc. etc.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Actually Norm, quite the opposite. They truly are the only ones who will say bad things about their party when it needs said. The report the truth, whether we want to hear it or not. While ABC,NBC,CBS,CNN and MSNBC seem to have the belief that the democrats can do no wrong, and they do not report objectionally, and let us make up our own minds. They tell us how it is with their left wing agenda based opinions, so I stopped watching them also. Do you really not know Norm, why Fox has higher ratings then all these guys? Do you really not know? America wants the truth, and Fox News, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck seem to be the only ones with enough guts to deliver it. I myself, prefer the truth over agenda based material. Thats why I tune in to these guys, as to more Americans than the other left wing liberal biased channels.

        • Smilee

          Judging by your responses here in that you refuse to listen to all sides and only listen to one side, Mark, is an admission on your part that you have a very closed mind and to keep from confusing it you listen only to FOX which does nothing to encourage thinking which I doubt you are capable of.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          To Smilee, no, actually, I just happen to be able to tell the difference between the truth and lies, as its not that hard to figure out. At least Fox lets me decide, whereas the others present it like its fact, when its their opinion, which is 90 percent of the time biased and wrong. I wont accept that. I know the truth, and wont stand for lies. Im not a democrat.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Hillary is in Kenya right now, trying to get the real birth certificate and destroy it.

    • Arthur

      And why are you surprised that he would side with those dictators. I would have been surprised had he not sided with them.

      • Charlene Bedford

        I’m not surprised…just ashamed of him for doing so. Of course, I believe he’d like to be one himself.

        • Jeanine Lane

          I thought everyone had figured that one out by now. He has spent his life preparing for that. But the thing he signed to make him president for life would need a constitutional convention to become law. It is encouraging that many liberals are turning against him. they have stopped drinking the kool-aid.

        • Norm

          And the former head of Pakistan, Pervez Musharraf, was not a dictator?

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Are you saying that just because Rush, Sean and Glenn Beck speak the truth and expose what the left wing liberals are up to, that this makes them dictators? I never realized that speaking the truth meant that. I always thought of a dictatorship as the kind of do as I say, not as I do type of thing, kind of what the democrats try to set up all the time. You know, where we dont have to be bothered with little things like the CONSTITUTION, you know, where the president needs to be a citizen, or we try to take away peoples rights to have guns, where we employ terrorist cells like ACORN to illegally register people to vote. Yeah, things like that are what I always believe dictatorship to smell like. Thanks for correcting me.

        • Norm

          Mark

          You are a piece of work – one misguided dude.

          Blaming corporate greed on Clinton is a real stretch.
          Privately owned banks were ordering their employees to sign up people for mortgages. Even people who had no jobs, or never in their lives made enough to pay them up. They then packed the mortgages into group securities and sold them off, knowing full well they were worthless. Insurance giants like AIG insured the securities with money they didn’t have. One big Madoff ponzi scheme. Their was no government involvement and oversight, and that was the problem.

          Of course in your narrow mind, everything evil is is political and caused by democrats. Clinton’s balanced budgets were because of the republican congress but all Bush’s stupidity was Clinton’s fault. Hmmm.

          PS. “I’m a great American” Hannity ain’t. His presidential hopefuls George Allen, Richard Santorum, Tom Delay, Mark Sanford were all duds, just like him, you, and all you right wing extremists..

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Wow Norm, somebody’s angry. I would be too if I supported your guys. Take a nap and get over yourself.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Sorry Norm, but if you were referring to the banks greeds and collapse, that was all Bill Clinton and the democrats, and you know its all true. However, yes I agree, there is and always will be corporate greed, as there is greed whereever there is accumulated large amounts of money. Always has been, always will be. Its the way of man. Not defending it, I think it is wrong, and corporate greed cannot be blamed on politics, its the problem of man. The problem escalates though, when politicians start taking money from business and pass things to benefit them if the politician gets money from it, then weve got this current problem, that plagues both the democrats and republicans, that these career politicians have got to go, as they are all in bed with special interest groups, and do things to benefit them and themselves, not the people. But when it comes to what happened with all these bank collapses, yes Bill Clinton and his cronies are the direct cause of it, and you and I both know the Bush admin called for an investigation two years before this happened, but Barney Frank was the head of the oversight committee on this, and shot down any investigation saying it wasnt needed. Cut in anyway you want Norm, but the dems set this up, fleeced it, and protected it, then watched it collapse. How many millions in bonuses did Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick give out, and to whom. Yeah, thats what I thought. I rest my case.

        • Smilee

          Mark Reply:
          July 20th, 2009 at 8:49 am

          Mark

          Russ, Sean and Glenn are the country’s biggest liars and they are hired to dictate to you and all others who are incapable of thinking for themselves. Them and those who hire them know that they can dictate to you what to do and say so as keep the conservative fiction alive and well in as many republicans as they can. Fortunately your ranks are down to a little over 20% of the voters and the country is finally realizing that they are spewing out nothing but lies and fiction but it stills works on you doesn’t it Mark but not 80% of us voters and that is why you are losing elections and will continue to unless you start thinking for yourself witch I doubt you are capable of based on your posts here. You certainly have the conservative talking points down but you do have trouble citing them in a manner that does not get them all jumbled up.

    • DaveH

      Obama is strictly seeking as much power as he can. And his stupid followers think they are going to benefit, but most of them will suffer greatly. Look already at all the trips Barrack and Michele take at the taxpayer’s expense. If those were Corporate officers the envious class would be raising all kinds of hell. But since they think he is one of them, they support him with their head in the sand.

      • Norm

        Dave
        The envious class? Some of these corporate (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) almost destroyed this country. Making loans that a fool would never consider, and pocketing mega millions. That should make us all envious. If it wasn’t for the Bush and Obama bailouts we would be back in the dark ages.

        • DaveH

          Norm,
          I agree, but read of copy of Thomas Sowell’s “The Housing Boom and Bust”. They were being strongly encouraged by the government to lend to marginal borrowers. In fact, I heard just recently that the government is doing more of the same right now. I think also that excess money creation by the Federal Reserve contributed to the rising prices (inflation). I agree that there are a lot of crooked corporate officers, but the government is not immune from disreputable employees. And the government has the ability to force us to buy or do things we don’t want. I really am not sure what’s going on, but it seems like corporations are more likely to get away with ripping off their shareholders than ever before, in spite of the increasing size of government. No system is perfect, but I think that a free-enterprise system with a much smaller government in the role of watchdog would produce a lot more level playing field than we have now.
          Let me give you an example from my own experience. We had women and blacks in our work groups long before equal opportunity laws. Then I noticed that it became much rarer over the years after all the protection. I think the companies were afraid to give blacks and women jobs (unless they were very highly qualified) because of the possible legal ramifications if they didn’t work out. And I believe I am experiencing a similar situation now at age 60. It has been very difficult for me to find a job, and I am highly educated. Of course the small sample size of my experience doesn’t prove anything.
          I believe that if government got the hell out of business, there would be less discrimination, not more. The companies that operated in a bigoted fashion would fall in the free marketplace to those that were smart enough to hire the best workers regardless of race or sex or age. Nowadays its the companies with the most political savvy that triumph instead of the companies with the best products. And everyone (outside of government) would benefit from a much more productive country with fewer regulatory hurdles.
          As the government grows ever larger there are fewer people to do real productive work. In fact, I call government “negatively productive” because they not only don’t produce desirable products for the people, but much of the time they make it harder for people to be happy by harassing them.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          If it wasnt for Clinton, we wouldnt have needed the bank bailouts, right Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorelick and Barney Frank. Thanks Bill.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Yeah Norm, like all the loans that the banks were directed to give under Bill Clinton, to lend to people who know way in hell could pay it back, so they could buy a house and live the American dream. Only the government accepted the responsibility to pay for it, because they lent to people with no means to pay it back, then collapsed the banking system. Those are the bad loans I dont like.

        • Wally

          u r in the dark ages. it was the dems running freddi and fanny that caused the melt down.

        • David

          Norm….apparently some of you ARE in the dark ages and later stages of total denial as well! Who in the hell is spending all these trillions our great-grandchildren will still be paying back? Sooner or later, maybe you and your kind will finally get it that what they are blaming Bush for now has nothing whatsoever to do with Bush…it is now ALL Obama and his party’s agenda.

      • Norm

        David Reply:

        July 20th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

        Before Obama, Reagan and GW Bush, of my republican party, ran the 2 largest federal deficits since ww2. At least Reagan left the economy in decent shape, although in greater debt. There was a recession in 1990-91 (GWBush). Little Bush gave us all tax cuts and then started a war with a trillion dollar price tag, and initiated a horrible and expensive medicare drug package. Brilliant indeed. Then we had the meltdown, which WAS on Bush’s watch.
        We, as a nation, and as individuals MUST stop living beyond our means. Our resources are limited. The middle class is shrinking.
        Obama is trying to stimulate the economy, save companys and jobs and get a handle on healthcare. He has to do what the government has failed to do for far too many years.

        • DaveH

          Norm,
          This isn’t for you, as you obviously feel you are going to be a recipient of the government largesse, so I don’t expect you to keep an open mind. But for anyone that does have an open mind, go to this website and view the video on Canadian Health Care:
          http://www.pjtv.com/
          Also, keep in mind that once the government becomes the provider of your health care, you can kiss goodbye your freedom of food choices and other pleasures of life that they deem unhealthy. All this while they are making the taxpayer pay the bill, because they don’t produce anything except more laws.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          No, congress started the war, and the democratic congress escalated it. Much like Lyndon Johnson escalated Vietnam. They bitch about it, but they are the main causes of war.

      • Norm

        Dave

        Actually I, like Obama, have my health care under control.

        You right wingers are so nasty and greedy that you can’t fathom anyone who cares about other people or the good of the country.
        The only benefit, that I can expect is to see is my portion of insurance premiums stabilized, and less of the countries GDP squandered on corporate salieries.

        As far as “food choices and other pleasures of life”, please tell me the source of this nonsense.

        • DaveH

          Norm,
          First of all, I am not right-winger, I am Libertarian. I love freedom. And I am not religious, but I do have morals (unlike those who would steal other folks money through the government gang). You refer to me as nasty, yet you want to force your way on other people (yes, laws are force). You refer to me as greedy, yet you want to take other peoples money away to spend as you please (much greedier than people who want to keep their own money).
          To answer your last question: helmet laws, seat belt laws, trans-fat laws, forced vaccinations, proposed taxes on soda pop. What do these all have in common? They could only succeed because the voters “don’t want to have to pay for someone else’s mistakes” (I’ve been told that throughout my life when trying to defend people’s liberty).
          Give me a break, Norm; if you want to keep your head in the sand, fine, but don’t ridicule me because I don’t imitate you. Why are you hanging around a blog that advocate’s freedom when you don’t have a clue what it is?

        • DaveH

          Norm,
          I don’t believe name-calling wins a debate, but since you do, I will debate on your level.
          You can have the last word, as I see no sense in trying to educate a meat-head.

      • Norm

        Dave
        Read your reply July 17th, 2009 at 7:50 pm. “stupid followers” sure sounds like name calling.
        I also believe in freedom. But we live (or should live) in a civilized society. When I was a kid we used to do say “it’s a free country” to cover any, and all, acts which were beneficial only to our personal satisfaction. With freedom comes responsibility and that often means compromise and sacrifice for the common good.
        Taxes are taxing for sure. Without a government of laws, we would be back in the wild west. Without a military, we would have no freedoms. Freedom is not free.
        Some laws are overly restrictive and should not exist. This is a democracy – let’s change them.
        I visit this sight to because I have the FREEDOM to do so.

  • john

    What a sore loser. I can see it in his snort.

    How the (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) did I ever get on this stupid mailing list, anyway. The Repbulican’s are the sorest little cry babies I’ve ever seen. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

    • http://none Chip Wood

      I agree with everyone above except John. Hit the unsubscribe button, buddy. Or do you prefer to pout?

      Chip Wood

      • John A

        This other “John” is just your typical whiner who will do nothing to change. All he wants is his piece of the handout pie. What’s in it for him, that’s all he cares about. He’s a Fool and is easily hiding behind a blog posting ridiculous comments with no meaning. He’s one of them “bully’s” I mentioned in MY post below.

      • Smilee

        Chip Wood Reply:
        July 17th, 2009 at 10:49 am

        I think you like Cheney wants to throw out those who disagree with you because it is the only way you know how to deal with opposing views as you have no intelligent response to them

        • David

          Smiley…When it comes to intelligence I would be happy to put mine up against yours anytime. Hmmm…do you need a teleprompter too in order to simulate intelligence?

    • Dana

      Who are the Cry Babies? I don’t remember Bush crying about the Clinto-Gore recession that he inherited. I don’t remember Reagan crying about the 15% unemployment and 20%+ interest rates he inherited from the peanut moron. Everything, and I mean everything, bad is blamed on Bush. I am surprised that he hasn’t been identified as the “fuzzy figure on the grassy knoll”. For those of you not old enough to remember this “fuzzy figure”, he was suspected by some to be part of a conspiracy to kill Kennedy.

      • dan irwin

        Did you here the news Monday? “Al Gore plotted to cause 911″ We’ve gott’em!

        • Viv From Kentucky

          Are you for real?!!! Where did you see or read this?

        • Smilee

          dan irwin Reply:
          July 17th, 2009 at 11:39 am

          FOX news, no doubt!!!

        • Wally

          How would you know Smiley,or is it Smally, you would never listen to Fox News would you? Maybe there is hope.

        • dan irwin

          Fox is the only news on.

          CNN and the 3 are controlled by big business -it’s slanted, statis que, gossip
          MSN is formated in the style of opinion, which sucks – just the news please!
          PBS provides a glimps, but still focuses on off beat in depth stuff
          Democracy Now, well America might not be ready for that yet…?

        • Smilee

          Wally Reply:
          July 17th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

          How would you know Smiley,or is it Smally, you would never listen to Fox News would you? Maybe there is hope.

          I listen to them all including FOX, read several newspapers, the internet and as many other sources to get all sides, HOW ABOUT YOU, hell I even listen to Rush, Hannity, Beck and others but than that is entertainment and not news but it gives me my laugh for the day and keeps me abreast of their foolishness.

      • Norm

        Dana
        Except for the Kennedy assination, I do blame Bush/Cheney for the mess we are in.
        And I certainly remember, and rightfully so, many tears over Carter from the right..
        Clinton ran balanced budgets for several years and was a better pres. than Bush. He was a little sleezy but at least he had a brain.

        • Average Guy

          You guys always forget the facts. Congress spends the money, not the President. Clinton served during a period when the Republicans controlled the spending. That’s is why there was a surplus (on paper only) budget. Of couse under Bush the Republicans became “Democrat Lite” and blew on the money away. The big fall was Bush’s last two years when the Dems were in control of the money.

        • dassieland

          Sorry you idiot but it was the Liberal Congressmen/women that caused it, handing out all these handouts (Programs to freeloaders) for their votes. Bush did a terrific job while in office, protected your sorry liberal arses. President Bush was “Magnificient”. God help us during the next 4 years as Hussein “Obama” will probably give the terrorist the Blue print to wipe us out. It is obvious him and his darling wife is making practice runs with Air Force one so they can get out in time; as they have a place to jet of to “KENYA”, his place of birth.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Yeah, he smoked dope and didnt inhale, and he did not have sexual relations with that woman he had sexual relations with. He defiled the office of president, let the enemy punch us in the nose over and over again, cut our military in half and our intelligence in thirds, and you say he has a brain. Really? And he married Hillary – and he has a brain. Ha Ha Ha. Your a comedian.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Clinton didnt balance the budget. Smoke and mirrors. He cut the military and intelligence in half, and left us vulnerable. We got punched, slapped and bombed again and again. He collapese the banks, and he did not balance the budget. He lied as do all dems. Remember, he did not inhale, and he did not have sexual relations with that woman. Right.

    • Caldonia

      John, you are aptly named.

    • Patricia Henson

      You can always unsubscribe. Look at the bottom of the page and click on unsubscribe. We need to be more serious about what is going on in this country if for no other reason than our children. I’m sure your parents tried to make this a better place for you than what they had. The only people I see whining are the people who just don’t care about their country.

    • Wally

      You notice how they always have to use language like that?

    • Jim

      So,

      Take your name off the list.

      It would make me happy.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Just because you like Barry Soetoro, or Barrack Obama, or whomever he is, doesnt mean I have to. Im an American, and really, I would just expect the law to be adherred to by our top politicians, and make sure the president is a lawful citizen, and since they cant do that, I choose not to support them. That and the fact that he hasnt a clue what he is doing, has caused unemployment to go to 10 percent, has weakened us in our enemies eyes, has kissed our enemies ass and apologized for us being a successful nation, has spent more in less than 10 months that the previous admin spent in 8 years, and he and his ilk bitched about that during election time. All he can do is point the finger at others. The only plan Ive seen him exhibit, is to give our hard earned money to GM and the UAW, who have over and over proven they dont know how to properly run a business. No, this guy and his ilk, including wankers like Stuart Smalley got no business governing anything. None at all.

      • Smilee

        Mark

        Your right you do not have to like him, but he is your president and by showing him respect you show respect for the office as an institution, we should all do that who ever he is but you just keep cutting this man down. You say he does not have a clue what he is doing, as I read you all over this site I’m totally sure you have no clue what he is doing so who can give any creditably to what you say.

        • Robin, Arcadia, IN

          Smilee… Respecting the office of President is one thing; respecting the man is another. I don’t like Barry. He is showing his agenda and a lot of Democrats are seeing him for what he really is. His distain for America is disturbing. I only hope and pray, which I do for all our leaders, including Barry, that common sense will return. That they are seeking the help of God to make decisions that affect so many. The presidency is huge. Barry said when campaigning that he would seek the counsel of his wife Michelle. Wow! I sure don’t take a lot of comfort in that! This is the woman who has never been proud of her country until her husband became popular. Now that she is the first lady, do you think she is happy and grateful to be an American, not to mention proud?

        • David

          He may be president but as soon as he starts paying a little more respect to the Constitution of this once great country, I will think more about respect back to him.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Your right I do not have to like the guy, nor the anti american things he is doing. However, I do pray for the guy and his admin. Question is, did any of you lefties ever say a prayer for good things to happen for Bush and his admin. Id be surprised. I would like good things to come from this guy, because it would be good for all of us. I just dont see how, not directly because of him, but because of the direction of pacifism and appeasement this party is on. Facts say pacifism and appeasement are a direct road to defeat. You just dont win with that approach, never have, and I dont think one ever will. In this world, someone is always waiting to take advantage, and if someone is going to be a pacifist and an appeaser, they are going to be the one getting taken advantage of. Thats just how it is. I didnt make it up, and I didnt write the rule on this, thats how it is.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          But I do know what he is doing. He is a democrat. They havent changed their playbook for 40 years. So predictable. Appease the enemy, raise taxes, give handouts, expand government, give more handouts, keep the poor dependant on the government, give more handouts. Same old libs.

      • Norm

        Mark

        July 20th, 2009 at 10:37 am

        Then there’s GW Bush.
        His daddy paid him into Yale. He was a great cheerleader and distinguished member of the Skull and Bones society (rich boy club) and earned a wapping BA degree. He went on to Harvard, thanks to dad, and got a MBA. That’s probably the best anything he ever did. But it wasn’t a law degree, and his grades were not great. He also had a little drinking problem, but good old dad was there for him. Just for fun, dad got him into the Texas ANG, as an officer and got him to pilot training. The cost to train one jet pilot (T-45 line) is $1,439,754 as reported by a study by the UCLA School of Law. It’s a little unclear how he ended his military career, but he saw no active duty. After a few failures, he “got religion”. Most sinners do. From then on he prayed his way along. When all else fails pray.
        After 911, George W saw an opportunity to help his Dad. Saddam Hussein had always ridiculed George HW, and even put his picture on a hotel doormat.
        George junior really showed Saddam a thing or two. Unfortunately, It has cost the country over 4000 fine young men and women dead, untold wounded, and nearly a trillion taxpayer dollars so far. And Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Boy, am I glad his dad paid for his education, so that us tax payers didnt get stuck paying for it like we did Barrack Obama’s. And as far as our security goes, Bin Laden, Saddam, Ahmindajab, whatever his name is, they are all the same guy. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. They all want us dead, and you want to apologize to them, go ahead you pacifist. Pacifism always, and I mean always, leads to defeat. Im a man who is glad Bush was a man and showed them that enough is enough. Unfortunately, we have another pacifist in there who is busy kissing butt and being afraid, all rolled up the fetal position, while these terrorist are laughing their arse’s off planning their next bombing. Thank God Bush took the precautions he did, and I fully believe we will be safe through Obama’s four years because of it. However, the dems will cut back and undo these security precautions, and we will get hit probably the first or second year into the next election, which everyone knows after this fiasco, that it wont be another libtard democrat. So take your tranquilizer, and sit by the campfire with bin laden and sing kum ba ya, and tell him how so so sorry you are that we are such a successful nation. Loser.

        • gia

          Bush’s dad payed for his schooling and an Islamic Supremacist paid for Obama’s education! Does anyone else have a problem with that? Check out Dr. Khalid alMansour.

      • DaveH

        Mark,
        Don’t let these greedy liberals get you worked up. You are not going to change their minds because they are in denial of their OPM habit. It amazes me that they work so hard to take other people’s money away forcibly, when they could earn that money the ligitimate way instead without much more effort.

        • Norm

          gia Reply:

          There are no unanswered questions except in the minds of seriously demented, right wing
          conspiracy theorists. Obama paid for his education through student loans and scholarships.
          End of story.

      • Norm

        Mark Reply:

        August 7th, 2009 at 8:25 am
        No, congress started the war, and the democratic congress escalated it. Much like Lyndon Johnson escalated Vietnam. They (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) about it, but they are the main causes of war.

        Friday, October 11, 2002 Posted: 12:35 PM EDT
        WASHINGTON (CNN) — In a major victory for the White House, the Senate early Friday voted 77-23 to authorize President Bush to attack Iraq if Saddam Hussein refuses to give up weapons of mass destruction as required by U.N. resolutions.
        Hours earlier, the House approved an identical resolution, 296-133.
        The president praised the congressional action, declaring “America speaks with one voice.”
        The Senate vote sharply divided Democrats, with 29 voting for the measure and 21 against. All Republicans except Sen. Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island voted for passage. In the House, six Republicans — Ron Paul of Texas; Connie Morella of Maryland; Jim Leach of Iowa; Amo Houghton of New York; John Hostettler of Indiana; and John Duncan of Tennessee — joined 126 Democrats in voting against the resolution.

        Bush lied and congress bought it. But congress only authorized Bush to do his thing if necessary.

    • Dave

      That is good, you don’t belong on this list because you can’t think for yourself and see what is in front of your own eyes. Go to a the kooks on the left I am sure you will be much happier there swallowing their (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT)!!!

    • Average Joe

      Nothing intelliget to say?…just pour yourself another big bowl of stupid and spout off again tomorrow!

      • Average Joe

        my reply was to #6 john……just so nobody else takes offense……

    • sarah

      you are an idiot. cant you see whats going on? socialist? how about communist? HNIC has appointed two avowed commies to his ever growing list of czars (get the hint, bubba?….czars…)

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        And guys like Norm and Smilee blindly follow, and say that Im ignorant. Imagine that. They dont know this guy from Adam, yet they blindly follow. Amazing stuff right there, but Im ignorant by their standards. Now thats some funny stuff, I dont care who you are.

        • Smilee

          You are ignorant by anyone’s standard, its a fact, We are thinking people and know why we follow, following blind is a Conservative trait how could you possible confuse us with them.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          So then Smilee, hows this changing working out, not for you, but for “our” country? Not so well, even according to the left wing media. Not well at all. 2010, half of them go, 2012, the rest are out. Enjoy this “change” while you can, because its on its way out of town.

    • DaveH

      John,
      Please do take your name off the mailing list. I am plenty tired of you liberals contaminating the board with your poison. This is a board about freedom. The only freedom you liberals understand is the freedom to take other people’s money. You are thieves, plain and simple.

      • Smilee

        Freedom for only those you approve of, you sure have no respect for the freedom of speech for what you call liberals, we understand you are prejudiced, its too bad you are unaware you are, but being conservative on this board equates to being in a state of denial, shout load enough to drown out everyone they do not like and part of the problem with that is they cannot hear them over their own shouting and if that does not work try and kick them off, you know like Cheney tried to do to Powell. Is it any wonder the republican party is in such a sorry mess with people like this in it.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Cheney? You just described Hillary Clinton to the T.

        • Smilee

          Mark

          more of your silly jibber jabber, again not on topic, are you saying you see these two as being the same. For starters he is male and she female, can you even tell the difference in that

    • Robin, Arcadia, IN

      John… You signed on to receive this e mail blog just like everybody else did. You do not have to read it; you can use your delete key. Or, you can unsubscribe. I think you can do it. It’s at the bottom. You move your mouse to get your browser on top of unsubscribe and click! Maybe your blood pressure will go down and things will be better for you in your fantasy world.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Do us all a favor boy, remove yourself, or open your mouth and prove your a jerk.

      • Smilee

        Mark

        You have convinced me you are the most simple minded person on this site, and have already on many occasions opened your mouth and proven it but I will still respect your freedom of speech and not ask you to leave. I’m just not that way

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          This wasnt directed at you Smilee, it was to the John who was complaining about how his name got on this list. Answer is simple, if he doesnt like it, remove himself. Yes, it is quite simple, and if that makes me simple minded so be it. I am a simple man, that is true. But this wasnt for you Smilee, you enjoy this banter as much as the next guy. But John was crying for release, so he needs to release himself by removing himself. That is simple.

  • Brad Caswell

    What a mess of rubbish! Your sour grape articles hurt this country far more than anything any politicians could possibly do. If you’re so damned smart, why don’t you come up with constructive suggestions, run for a constructive position in our government, or do something positive for the good of the country? When I hear the idiotic mouthings of you and your peers, it makes me ashamed of my years in the Pacific during WWII.

    • http://none Chip Wood

      Thanks for the intelligent and specific rebuttal, Brad. Easier to shout and hit “send” than debate, isn’t it?

      Chip Wood

      • Doyle

        The way I see it is , the reason Obama won is because the American people were fed up with the way this country has been going over the last few decades and wanted change. Well they got change alright.America is being flushed down the toilet.
        The Republicans are just as bad as the Democrates.

        • Jim

          Doyle,

          I agree with you 100%. Soon, we will be facing hyper-inflation and down the road, not as far down the road as one might think, we will no longer be a world power. We will be a third world nation.

          Mark my words. To answer some of you, I AM writing to Osama…er…Obama about it.

          Jim

        • Smilee

          Doyle Reply:
          July 17th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

          The toilet was flushing when he took office!!!

        • Tom

          That is too true.

        • DaveH

          Doyle,
          The problem is that the liberal media always supports the most liberal candidates, be they Democrat or Republican. Those of us who love individual liberty need to spread the word on this to everyone we know. The voters need to ignore the endorsements of the media and start electing the right people.
          What the Democrat dupes don’t understand is that very rich people control the media, and they are going to promote whatever gives them more money or power. Rich people don’t want competition, so they champion lots of regulation which stifles small business as they can’t afford the extra staff needed to comply with all the regulations.
          Wake up Democrat voters! You are being used. The magicians are performing sleight of hand to get your support. There are a lot of good Democrats out there who just aren’t getting truthful information. Read alternative magazines, such as Reason, or Newsmax, or Forbes. Get a clue!

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Actually, the Americans wanted change, because the TV kept telling them change change change for 2 years. Its called propaganda, and it is very effective. Its like advertising, very powerful. Case in fact, Miller Lite. Now I dont know if your a beer drinker, but is the worst tasting stuff ever called beer. I worked at a brewery for 8 years, and told our brewmaster that this crap tasted like I poured a half a glass of beer, and filled it up with water. He was a brewmaster at Miller for 13 years. His reply was “Duh, thats how they make it”. They brew a half kettle and fill it up with water. But since the TV has all these funny commercials, and tell’s us how good it is, generations grow up hearing about it, and when they are old enough to drink, they buy it, because they have been told its good for so long. Yeech, nasty tasting stuff. Such is the democrat propaganda machine on the national networks. They told you all how bad Bush was, how bad this war was, just lie after lie after lie, and people bought into it. Now look what we are stuck with. An inferior product that is leaving a bad taste in our mouths again and again and again. Maybe we should get educated as to what is really happening, who the candidates really are, and what they stand for, rather than listen to what the square brain sucker in our living rooms tell us. That would be refreshing for a change.

    • Smilee

      Brad Caswell on July 17th, 2009 at 10:45 am:

      YOUR A GREAT AMERICAN

      Nice to meet a man on here that knows how to think.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Smilee, that wasnt a think. That was a finger point. Why is someone who see’s things different than you, not allowed their opinion? Brad is an angry man, and thats it.

        • Smilee

          MARK

          You sure do not have any problem expressing your opinions here or anywhere else nor do I see anyone else here not allowed too. That is one thing alot of you conservatives have in common is shooting off you mouths then turn around after someone points out the error of your ways and claim to not be allowed to speak your mind. Hard to figure you guys out, can you ever make a believable statement. Brad asked a lot of questions and not one response addressed them you all just shot your mouths off. Too bad you can’t carry on an intelligent dialogue.

        • bill

          Brad is an angry old man (served in the pacific in WWII). If he is still so left-wing being that old, he must be a real dope! And if there is one thing that I find more obnoxious than a young liberal it’s an old liberal! Despite that, I thank Brad for his service.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Thanks for proving my case in point. I speak my opinion, and you lambast me. You accuse me of shooting off my mouth, you state that I never make a believable statement, and say I cant carry on an intelligent dialogue, all because my opinion is different that yours. Your an angry left wing liberal pacifist appeaser, who wants government hand outs right and left so that I can go to work everyday and pay for your medical bills. You voted for Barrack Obama and Stuart Smalley, I mean Al Franken (same guy), so you my friend, dont need medicine, you need a psychiatrist, because your head needs examined. Now crawl back into the fetal position since it is obvious we cant have an intelligent conversation, because you are lacking the intelligence it takes to have one with me.

        • Smilee

          Mark Reply:
          July 20th, 2009 at 9:23 am

          You have no point so it can not be proven or disproved, Angry, no I pity you. You speak your opinion and I call attention to the error of your ways, you can’t deal with that truth so you strike back in anger and make all kinds of dumb statements that make no sense. I gave up a long time trying to have a conversation with you as that’s not possible as long as you are in denial and think you have intelligence when you do not. Like I said before your mixed up posts are unbelievable and that is how it is very obvious that your dumber that dumb.

      • Dave

        Yeah but Obama is driving it all the way into the sewer!!

    • John A

      Brad,
      and everything you supposedly fought for being lost right under your turned up nose. What did you fight for if it wasn’t Freedom, Fairness, Truth or Liberty?

      • Smilee

        John A

        You cannot even be respectful to our veterans. He fought for you so you could shoot your big mouth off and I can understand his feelings when her hears from the likes of you, any wonder why it raise questions is his mind. SHAME ON YOU!!!!!

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          I am grateful for all of our guys, including myself who served and fought for this country. However, it doesnt mean one gets a free pass when they uneducatedly shoot off their mouths. Sorry, no free passes for being a jerk.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          But then there are veterans like John Kerry, that shot himself in the ass and got a purple heart, and then came back here and threw all his buddies under the bus. Now that is an ungrateful (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) if I ever saw one.

        • Smilee

          Mark

          More of your silly jibber jabber, can you never stay on topic

    • AL

      Brad, thank you for serving in WWII. We all owe you a great debt of gratitude sir..

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Why dont you come up with something, instead of sitting there pointing the finger at others? Oh yeah, sorry, I forgot, thats what you guys on the left do, EVERYTIME. No one is allowed to have a thought or opinion, except you guys. How damn silly of me. Sorry.

    • Average Joe

      Dear Mr. President Please find below my

      suggestion for fixing America’s economy Instead of giving
      billions of dollars to companies that will squander the money on lavish parties
      and unearned bonuses, use the following plan You can call it the
      Patriotic Retirement Plan There are about 40 million people over
      50 in the work force. Pay them $2 million apiece severance for early retirement
      with the following stipulations
      1) They MUST retire or start a new business. Forty
      million plus new job openings – Unemployment fixed
      2) They MUST buy a new
      American CAR. Forty million cars ordered – Auto Industry fixed

      3) They MUST either buy a house or pay off their mortgage – Housing Crisis
      Fixed. It can’t get any easier than that If more
      money is needed, have all members of Congress and their cronies pay their
      taxes..
      The economy could be fixed for under 100 million dollars….and they have already spent how much with no results?Who’s interests are our elected officials looking after?…Certainly not ours.

      ‘They say, “The road to ruin is paved with good intentions.” and we keep making potholes.’

      • staats9

        YOUR SO WRIGHT

      • Robin, Arcadia, IN

        Average Joe… It will never happen. It is simple, not full of pork, and not long enough. If Congress got something that easy to vote on they would have time to read it. And, it makes too much sense! You must remember we are not dealing with an administration that uses common sense. They want to keep things complicated; it keeps the ‘little people’ from knowing what is really going on.

        • DaveH

          OMG, I can’t believe you guys buy the (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) that there are a fixed number of jobs in the economy. The number of jobs is limited only by our ingenuity. And people are amazingly ingenious when unhampered by limitless regulations.
          In fact, when you pull productive people out of an economy, there is less produced. When there is less produced, prices go up. We all get lower standards of living. After-tax money was taken out of the Social Security recipients hands and put into the hands of a bunch of politicians who just wasted a large portion of that money. And then to add insult to injury, if they die early, their heirs don’t even get the remainder. A large part of the hard work I did over my lifetime was done with the mindset of making my children’s lives easier than mine was.
          As we take more and more incentives to produce away from people, then they will produce less. As they produce less, we all have less. That’s why Socialism fails wherever it is taken to extreme. If you really want to benefit in the future, taking their money away is not the answer. That will work only one time. Then they will join the class of the unproductive, and we will all lose. What we need to concentrate on is how do we encourage people to be productive. There is no doubt in my mind, that can best be achieved by getting the government out of business decisions.

      • DaveH

        LOL, now I realize why you attacked me Average. And I should have a “bowl of stupid”?
        2 million X 40 million is 80 trillion dollars. Sure, we should increase the National Debt by 80 trillion dollars and in doing so take 40 million producers out of the workforce. Oh yeah, that would be great for the economy! You are aptly named.

        • Average Joe

          DaveH,
          I’m not sure where you went to school sir, but where I come from 2 million X 40 million people equals……..80,000,000…that is…..80 million…..maybe you already had that extra bowl…open mouth…switch feet?…A simple calculator can help you with this problem…they are cheap and actually work….counting on your fingers does not seem to be your fortay…or was it a abbacab?…The problem is simple…2X40=80..add your zeros, 000,000…wow…80 million…maroon (mispelled on purpose…just for you) ;-) Have another bowl!

        • Average Joe

          DaveH,
          To make it even more simple for you to understand, If you give 40 million people 1 million dollars each….would that not be 40 million dollars?….So if you double that amount, would it not equal 80 million dollars? ;-)

        • Average Joe

          DaveH,
          OK, I’ll be the first to admit that I was wrong sir. Please except my appologies and I retract the last two statements. Any of us can have a brain fart…I did, but at least I am big enough to admit it. ;-)

        • Bonnie

          I just read your blog today. Even though you already appoligized I’d like you to know that you were correct and Average Joe is woefully mistaken.
          2 X 40 million is indeed 80 million but 2 “million” X 40 million is indeed 80 trillion.

        • DaveH

          Bonnie,
          That was Joe that apologized, and I think he was very noble for doing that. I have a 4 year Math degree. I know I was right, but thank you for your support. Those big numbers are definitely confusing and I understand anyone having trouble grasping them.

      • DaveH

        Thank you Joe. I consider your apology to be very classy, and I’m not being sarcastic.

        • Average Joe

          You are welcome sir. I usually pride myself on doing my reasearch and making sure I have my ducks in a row, but on occassion I do let my guard down and say or do something stupid (this was one of those times)….BTW…..I didn’t care much for that bowl I just ate…lol….I think it was mixed with a lot of crow..and both feet……..

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        No, it is the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

        • Average Joe

          It is called paraphrasing…and because of that, I can say it any way I choose…because it is not a exact quote from someone else. Besides, not everyone believes in hell or heaven for that matter.Please do not respond by telling me about religion, I have my veiws and you have yours (that is not saying that I do not believe or that you do not believe, just a statement of fact, not everyone believes).Since I really didn’t want to get into religion here, I chose to say it the way I did.If I choose to quote someone, I will do so and give them credit for thier quote.

          ” He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her”. John 8:7
          That would be a quote. It is from the American King James version of the Bible.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Dang Average Joe, dont be so sensitive. I was just saying it the way I always heard it said, Ive never heard it said your way, but thats Ok, Im fine with it, but I dont need an angry lecture. Peace out dude.

        • Smilee

          Mark Reply:
          July 20th, 2009 at 9:25 am

          No, it is the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

          Someone told me they seen you driving on that road, he waved at you but you ignored him.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Thanks Smilee, and it was you I waved at, while you were working on the paving crew, misleading the travelers to the left. Your so mean.

        • Smilee

          Your wrong, there is no way in hell you have the intelligence to recognize a democrat when you see one as you have no idea what one looks like they are only in your imagination and look as you want them to

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          To Smilee, you are correct in part. I do not know what a democrat looks like. But I sure do know them by their words and deeds, and its not a good thing. Well, not all, but for sure those in power. Bad guys for the US enonomy, for the US Security, and for the US future. Bad guys.

    • David

      As a matter of fact I was talking with family just this morning about trying to run for office in an attempt to put some reality back into politics!!!!

  • Charlene Bedford

    Then he would fit right in with the dems…if you can’t intelligently debate the issues, resort to name calling.

  • Smilee

    As a Minnesotan who has read both courts findings, opinions and orders (and followed this story daily) that totally refutes all of Chip Wood’s opinions in this article and say nothing more to me but that his intent is nothing more than to distort the facts of what really happened in MN. Another example of conservative fiction that is becoming less credible in this country every day. If you have an open mind I challenge you to read the courts findings, opinions and orders, they are on line, just Google it. Most experts that have looked at it disagree with this man opinions. We do not deny it was a dirty campaign but the campaigns do not conduct our elections nor do Accorn (they only register voters and have no influence on how anyone votes, we still do it privately in a voting booth after the Secretary of State’s office has verified the voters validity, they have been accused of registration fraud not voter fraud but conservatives have a lot of trouble understanding this difference, in MN no one has been charged) so this has nothing what so ever to do with the election results and reasonable and honest people know and understand this.

    • mrbenz7

      If no one has been charged in Minnesota, it is because those who made sure this election was bought and paid for made sure they had their ducks in a row! Votes that went for that IDIOT Franken has LESS credibility and verifiability than mine, which went for Coleman! I read the courts findings and totally disagree with them. How the courts could have come to their decision relying on a Secretary of State who is a known Democratic strategist and who bases his decisions on what is best for the party and not the people of the State proves bias. Since dissenting voices were removed from the proceedings, nothing about this entire election was right or good for the country! The odds were stacked against the voters of Minnesota from the start and no amount of “open minds” will change the facts!

      • Smilee

        mrbenz7 Reply: July 17th, 2009 at 11:24 am

        So, you claim to have read the the opinions, then how is it you missed the fact that it had nothing to do with the Secretary of State, the court held a trial that he had no part in except as a witness and the court ruled on the recount of which he was only one person of five and the only democrat on the panel and all agreed on this count including the republicans on it, the trial which took about five weeks and it results by the three judge panel unanimously found the recount to be legally accurate and then Coleman appealed to the MN Supreme Court that found the lower courts findings totally correct and affirmed it totally. If you cannot understand these court documents and you think it was a review of the Secretary of State, and it was not, your not being able to agree with it appears to be based on a biased approach rather than one looking to understand the reality of it and approaching it with a open and unbiased mind which these judges did. You appear to be a sore loser and have to hit below the belt to express yourself. Five on the recount board, three judges held the trial and five supreme court judges reviewed it, that is 13 people total and all thirteen came to the same conclusion that Franken won and only two of these persons are known to democrats, two unknown and the rest of other parties. If you want to make a argument against it you would be well advised to use facts instead of just off the cuff statements that sure appear to make you look biased.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Smilee, I need to know right now, and please tell the truth. Did you vote for Al Franken?

        • Smilee

          Mark Reply: July 17th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

          That is irrelevant to my post, you do not need to know that. My post is about what happened in the recount and court actions and has nothing to do with who I voted for.

      • mck dunc

        this is my first contribution to any forum.i have been paying attention to politics social affairs etc for 35 40 years and have remained conservative but have felt the pressure from my family and friends to be a liberal because it is hip ,cool intelligent.compassionate ,open minded why would you be any other way.alot of peer pressure..have many close friends that are in the upper eshilon of art and science.there is a distinction that occurred to me an epipheny of sorts..is it that the college professors and artists have the perpensity to be left wing because they can’t look the gift horse in the mouth(state funding) and society grants credibility to the higher eshilon with out thinking of the bias regarding the incentive to fund themselves to an almost pathological degree??hope this makes scents to a few.keep up the good fight ..

        • Wally

          you are right, follow the money. has a poor liberal ever given you $10.00 or does he just keep expecting the government to take it from you and give it to him?

    • Bob

      Just how many dead people can vote ,Twice)

      • Smilee

        Are you so ignorant as to really believe dead people can actually vote?????

        • germak13

          I live in Mississippi, and the dead have voted. It is a proven fact.

        • Smilee

          What proof, you saying so does not make it so, if it is proven lets see the facts. I suppose you also saw them get up out of the grave and go to the polls too. Did they dig up themselves or did you do it for them?? In MN we do not let dead people vote its against the law.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Come on Smilee, you are smarter than that. Ive read some of your posts. You know as well as I do, that JFK beat Nixon in one of the closest, if not the closest election ever, because of several thousands of votes from dead people in Chicago. Apparently they do vote, and some often. And this isnt the only time this has been documented. But you know, because of all the major networks being democratic mouthpieces, you dont get this spewed out all over like it should be. Man oh man, had a republican or anyone else done this, Holy cow, it would have been all over. But Kennedy was a democrat, and a filthy rich democrat, with a very dangerous Joe Kennedy and cronies of his around, and people would have ended up dead. So yes, dead people do vote. And apparantly so do illegal aliens.

        • Dave

          the Democrats must think so. They keep on registering them>

        • Lou

          Not only can dead people vote, but strangely , they all vote Democrat. I guess that’s due to the fact that their brains have disintegrated.

        • DaveH

          Lou,
          LOL, great post!

        • Bob

          I think you should look into just how many voter-registation cards signed that acorn turned in were dead people.

        • gia

          Democrats are dead people, they’re called zombies.

      • Smilee

        Mark Reply:
        July 17th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

        Ask a stupid question and you will get a stupid answer

        • DaveH

          Smilee,
          You remind me of my sister. My older brother had wrangled (through coercion) the executorship of my mother’s estate, and then he proved to be quite a thief and a liar in the years prior to my mother’s passing. I asked my sister to help me prove to a judge that he was not to be trusted. She said “I will side with whoever gets me the money the quickest!”.
          Wow, such morality.

        • Smilee

          DaveH Reply: July 18th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

          Like I said, “Ask a stupid question and you will get a stupid answer” certainly applys to yours.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Research your history pal. You tell me your educated. Then research it. Thousands of dead people registered in Chicago and voted for John F. Kennedy when he narrowly beat Nixon. Its a fact of history. His dad Joe was one of the most crookedest, if that is a word, bastards to ever walk the face of the earth. Ever heard of “The sins of the fathers shall be revisited on to the third generation”. Any wonders as to what has happened to all the Kennedy’s? Could it just be back luck? No, I dont think so. My Father in Heaven has written it differently, and the proof is in the pudding.

        • Smilee

          Mark

          Just some more of your silly jibber jabber, get a life man

    • Patricia Henson

      If that was true than why did Acorn have to pay people to register? Why did they put dead people on the rosters? Why did they chose people who didn’t even know who the candidates were? These last elections were so dirty that they still stink.

      • Smilee

        Patricia Henson Reply:
        July 17th, 2009 at 11:33 am

        The MN senate election was the most closely reviewed election in the country last year and no one who was involved with these reviews including courts found one iota of evidence of what you allege, at least not here in MN and how do you know what any voters knows about the candidates or who they were, do you personally know all these Acorn recruits??? Further the law does not require you to know who the candidates are to vote, how many judges on the ballot do you know???

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Are these guys, the same guys that are so green they decided to up the bio-diesel in the school buses, where the stuff gels up at around 20 degrees, and all the school buses froze up so kids stood out in the cold for a bus that didnt show up. So then they built all these storage buildings that they heat 24 hours a day to keep the buses from freezing up, and leave the rest run all night that wont fit inside, so they dont freeze up? Probably the same guys. So now they burn fuel all day and night to heat these builidings, and run the other buses all night to keep them from freezing, so they dont have to use real diesel fuel because its bad for the environment? This my friends, is Minnesota politics. Look into this, its all true. And they elected first Jesse Ventura, and now Al Franken. Im staying out of that state forever. Scares me.

        • Patricia Henson

          I know because Acorn is being prosecuted in 12 states for voter fraud. Don’t take my word for it check it out for yourself.

        • Robin, Arcadia, IN

          Smilee says: ‘the law does not require you to know who the candidates are to vote’
          That pretty much sums it up. A virtual unknown screams I will bring hope and change. How many people do you think actually took the time to find out about Barry? Hope and change. Nobody knew what he meant, but it was a great slogan and got him elected. The biased media never asked him what he meant or how he was going to go about it. With a Democratic congress already in place, he knew he could do nearly anything he was told to do by the powers that be. He is not running this country. That is my belief and opinion.

        • Smilee

          Robin, Arcadia, IN Reply: July 18th, 2009 at 7:01 am

          The law does not require you to know, does not mean they did not know. With Obama, after, almost two years, daily in the spotlight every one knew who he was, and those of us who paid attention knew him long before this, for all we know everyone could have taken the time find out about him. Most people knew what he meant and those that didn’t either didn’t pay attention or were incapable of understanding someone that intelligent and well educated and it may just have went right over their heads, probably were those who didn’t vote for him. Your belief and your opinion by your own words demonstrates quite clearly that they are based on mere assumptions and speculations. You know what they say people who ass/u/me they make an ass out of you and me, well, in this case you anyway. He is running the country, how he is running might drive may you nuts but that does not mean he is not running the country, after all he is yours and mine’s President, so get used to it.

        • Smilee

          Patricia Henson Reply:
          July 17th, 2009 at 10:26 pm

          I know because Acorn is being prosecuted in 12 states for voter fraud. Don’t take my word for it check it out for yourself.

          I did check it out and ACCORN is only being prosecuted in Nevada and in the other states it is former accorn employees who ACCORN fired and not ACCORN itself that are being prosecuted. It is for registration fraud not voter fraud, ACCORN has nothing to do with elections or voting in any state that is the Secretary of State offices sole job. In MN every voter is verified by the Secretary of States office before their registration is approved and it is supposed to be that way in all states. You really should get you facts straight before you shoot your mouth off and if you do not understand the facts ( In this case the difference between registration fraud and voter fraud) your probably best off keeping it shut.

    • Tom

      Acorn is a big part of the fraud the is perpetuated by the liberal cheats. They pick up the pimps,hookers,druggies,drunks,mentally ill and whatever else that they can find on the street. They show them how to vote, tell them who to vote for (ie:who will solve all of their problems) and deliver them to the voting station. These are the folks that tipped the scales and got Al Franken and Obama elected. Bush was a big disappointment, he never fought back against the lies that were spread about him, so pretty soon a majority of the people believed them. Then he starts the bailouts. He ended up looking like a clumsy fool.

      • Smilee

        Tom Reply: July 17th, 2009 at 7:15 pm

        I heard recently that a bunch of you hard core conservations went under cover and got jobs with ACCORN so as to sabotage their organization to make them look like a bunch of crooks, seeing as you seem to know so much about them do you work for ACCORN!!! Careful with them hookers they may have STD’s!!

        • Tom

          Hey smilee,thats funny. Sometimes these we bloggers can get a little too serious. lol

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Anybody who will stand there and go to bat for ACORN, literally proves their stupidity before all, when they try to deny that these cats are democrats, and do all they can to benefit the democrats, whether it be legal or not. Ignorance is not bliss. And the ACLU represents a good strong moral America too. Not.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      ACORN registers voters who will vote democrat and only democrat, so dont be spreading your lies here. I know this is true, you know this is true, and God knows this is true. What a stinking lie you put out there saying otherwise. ACORN is a left wing liberal pacifist appeasing arm of the democrat party, whose only interest is to register more people to vote democrat, and to disinfranchise those who would vote republican. That is the truth of the matter, but I know, your afraid of the truth.

      • Smilee

        Mark

        You wrote “..whose only interest is to register more people to vote democrat, and to disinfranchise those who would vote republican”

        *Just how does a person who votes democrat disfranchise republicans, Wow how ignorant you are, also you claim to know how these people vote when in fact you have not a clue how anyone in the voting booth votes unless they tell you, and I just do not believe you associate with acorn registered individuals so I doubt you have a clue, in fact none of us knows for sure how anyone voted except themselves, By your stupid statements and claims to know what you can not possibly know you have identified who the real liar here is and we both know its Mark. What pisses you off is that ACCORN registers voters and you fear they will vote democrat and you would love nothing better than to disfranchise these people so as to increase the changes of republicans of winning and fear them voting is the reason you lost in 06 & 08 and you did lose these elections and this drives you nuts and you can’t seem to help yourself from telling these lies so you can convince your self of this fiction, when the real reason your candidates lost is because most of the voters wanted them too and you know you are are stuck with a bunch of losers weather you want to admit it or not. What you claim the truth is just your mindset of denial and of course they are all lies so there is no truth here for me to be afraid of. God knows but you do not know what he knows, I would bet he is shaking his head in disgust when you make these statements that are not possible for any human to know. Not too smart amindset for you to think you can read God’s mind.

        ———-*

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          You produce for me one Republican Acorn registered to vote Republican, and Ill run through the state of Minnesota naked in the middle of winter when your bio-diesel buses are all froze up. Produce one, or shut your mouth, because your a liar Smilee, and your statement is a very dumb one to try to even convince anyone, that ACORN would register anyone to vote, except to vote liberal democrat. Its a fact and you know it, and just in case you dont, then man are you ignorant. Which doesnt mean stupid by the way, it means you just dont know. So you are either ignorant, or a liar. Question is, which is it. And I do know what God knows. He knows everything, and he knows I am writing the truth, and your a big liar. You have proven it.

        • Smilee

          You again show your stupidity and lack of factual knowledge. I do not know if they registered one republican any more that you know if they registered one democrat or how either voted, for your information we have a secret ballot in this country so no one can know how another voted. I had assumed you knew that but apparently you do not. But if I could I would not tell you as I care enough about my fellow man in MN and would want to spare them the embarrassment of you running naked in our state. Your are right God does know everything, he even knows how full of hatred you are, how you lie. You have only proven I am a liar in your own mind and that is because you are incapable of knowing the truth because you are in a state of denial but as you said God knows everything and he knows this too.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Oh, but I do know. They do not register people to vote Republican, and for you to deny that shows your left wing agenda. You are a big fat ugly liar if you can honestly sit there and insist that ACORN is not there to register voters for the democrat party, and the democrat party alone. If you cannot see that, and do not understand that, then sorry pal, you have no knowledge and understanding of any of this, and should bow out of the discussion. You know what they are about, but you want to hide it. Why? For what reason? You and I both know they are a unit of the democratic party. My God man, what you are saying, would be like me saying that Rush Limbaugh doesnt back the Republicans. Wouldnt you find that asinine, as do all of us when we hear you say that ACORN doesnt exist solely to register democrats. Come on man, get back to reality. How can you deny that? Denial, is not just a river.

        • Smilee

          Mark you say: “Denial, is not just a river.”

          Now what the hell does this mean, typical of your idiotic jibber jabber. ACCORN is not allowed by law to ask how those they register will vote. This is just more conservative fiction, you know nothing man

  • John

    Franken may have won the Senate, however, the United States hasn’t lost…yet!

    The foot in the the mouth of this IDIOT will need to be
    put there (by Little Al can do this himself),
    pushed there (by the “Extreme Right Wing Activists” and
    not let up (by We The People of These United States).

    As much as I don’t like mud slinging, there is a time you have to “Punch that Bully in the Mouth”!! It is that time, We The People stand up to these Leftist Bullies who are doing everything to take away our freedoms and drive us into unsustainable debt.

    If we don’t do something drastic this year and next and relentlessly pursue the devourer then we will lose everything those who have gone before us fought for.

    RISE UP PEOPLE, BE NOT DECEIVED.
    FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT!

    Make the calls to your Senators and Representatives…. IT IS WORKING. We must persist.

    • John A

      I changed my name to John “A” to distiguish from the other John using curse words above. This is not the same John. My comment started with “Franken my have won. . . “. I see this other John is a little emotional about his taxes too.

    • Kevin D

      John,
      If I remember correctly the budget was balanced for the first time in the past three decades under a democratic president, and the country had a surplus when Bush took office. It was only during the 8 years of so-called conservative rule that our country was driven into sky high deficits. Now, I’m no party pusher because I think our dual-party system of governance is corrupt and broken no matter what your affiliation, but if you’re going to post something, check your facts buddy.

      Kevin D

      • Bob

        I also watched C-SPAN at that time and saw congress spending moneu like a drunken sailor on a week end liberty. T only Senator who had any scense was Orin Hatch. Who said that the surpluses will not last BUT these increasas in social spending will last forever. Then what?

        • Smilee

          Since when did a trillion dollar war in Iraq become known as social spending these republicans at this time cut social spending, borrowed money to fight a war in Iraq that should not have been fought and give the top five percent of the citizens a tax break which they also borrowed to finance so they now pay a lower percent tax rate than anyone else. When he came into office he was operating on Clinton’s final budget which had a surplus as Kevin D said, Bush scuttled that in his first budget and by time he got to his last he had managed to have accumulated the biggest budget and debt in our history to say nothing of leaving the economy in the tank and spinning down ward, six of his years had republicans controlling congress and the last two years the senate Democrats controlled by one and under the senate filibuster rules this gave in effect 100 % blocking power to the republicans and they used it and set a record for that. Congress in effect made this 8 years period under total republican rule, That’s why we are in this mess today, time will tell if either party can turn it around but as long as all congress can do if fight do not hold your breathe.

      • Arthur

        The budget was not balanced. It was just a paper trick. You were deceived by the liberals in charge. There were no surpluses, no matter what Clinton and the news media told you. The last time the budget was balanced you were not even a twinkle in anybody’s eye yet.

        • Smilee

          Arthur Reply:
          July 17th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

          Were where you, LET ME SET YOU STRAIGHT. even the republicans bragged about it being a surplus and a balanced budget at this time, in fact they took credit for forcing Clinton to do so, and it was passed by a republican congress as a compromise with Clinton at his insistence. THAT’S WHAT REALLY HAPPENED Its funny how so many people here without knowing what they are talking about blame the democrats or Obama for everything even when the facts say other wise.

        • Charlene Bedford

          As long as this country has a deficit, there is no surplus. As far as I know, the deficit was alive and well under Clinton. Saying that this country had a surplus after Clinton is like saying, “Well, I know I’ve got this stack of bills, but hey, I have a few dollars left over from my paycheck, so I have a surplus to spend on something I want.” I don’t believe there was a surplus, no matter who says it’s so.

          By the way, to all those people who love to bash Bush and blame him for EVERYTHING under the sun and moon … you just wait. One day, his name will be vindicated, and you will learn that he was right. For all of you who are thinking, “This lady is crazy,” one day in the future you will remember this post.

        • PSK

          Arthur, you are absolutely correct in your reply.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Also, with Clinton’s smoke and mirrors tricks, and his lying press of ABC,NBC,CBS,CNN and MSNBC, they say what the dems tell them to say. How much money would you say Bill Clinton had to play with, when he cut our military in half and left it in a crippled state, and cut our intelligence in half, to where the terrorist came into this country and milled about freely and we didnt know it, which directly led to 9-11. How many billions of dollars did Clinton have to play with, to show having a surplus. Hell man, Ive never been a politician, but let me cut the military and intelligence community in half, and I could balance the stinking budget. But Id rather not. I want a strong military and good intelligence to catch these guys. Clinton didnt care, and look at all the bombings that happened against us under his command. Bill Clinton, the left wings hero, was the most damning man ever to sit in the White House. We will be paying for the crap he did for years to come. He was a (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT).

        • Lee

          Arthur, I have read your comments.

          First Off, I am a Disabled Desert Storm Veteran, and like many of my fellow servicemembers, we were highly concerned that Bush Jr, would get us into a lot of trouble with Iraq, His Father, who I served Under, Knew what would happen if we were to chase Saddam back to Bagdad, It’s too bad that Jr, didn’t listen to his father. What Bush did in Afghanistan, was disrespectful to our troops, our allies, and the Afghan people, Bush Abandoned all to go after Saddam. He violated his Oath, he let Bin Laden go free and also allowed the Taliban and al-quida to regroup, and Now, they are trying to take back afghanistan to continue their terrorist training camps.

          Secondly, I saw the red flags go up when Bush/Chaney and the Republicans convinced our Supreme Court to Ignore the Constitution and “APPOINT” Them to the highest office in the Land. The next red flag went up when Bush took a zero deficit and a 700 billion surplus and gave their corporate contributors Tax cut, after Tax cuts, as well as deregulating the whole Corporate ranks, which allowed them to charge what they wanted in return for their services, Bush eliminated the system of Checks and Balances that would have prevented the Economic downfall beginning in 2007, but can’t blame just Bush, Companies wasted and wrecklessly gave bonuses and spent their profits instead of reinvesting into their company.
          This is where our trouble began, and this is where we need to start to fix it.

          The next red flags went up together, First Bush approved Torture, and he didn’t realize that whatever he approved to do, could be done to fellow Americans, The Geneva Convention also Protects US. Stretched his Authorization for afghanistan to go into Iraq(NOT APPROVED BY CONGRESS), Bush, Rumsfield, Chaney, and many others used False and tampered with Intelligence, to Attack Iraq. Bush Lied and mislead Congress(whose members were threatened with withholding of pet projects if they spoke out against it),Lied to the UN and the World.
          Bush with 100% support of Republican Congress violated many Laws,
          -First off, Their Oath of Office
          -Geneva Convention on Torture
          -International War Crimes Act, which states, That no nation has the right to pre-emptivly attack another soverign nation unless that nation is in Immediate danger, and with proper evidence. (Bush had none of the requirements)
          -International war Crimes Act, on Human Rights
          And the Biggest charge of all, for letting binLaden, Taliban, and al-quida go free, in the military it would be a courts-martial offenses, example
          1)Conduct Unbecoming an Officer
          2)Giving comfort and aid to the enemy
          3) AWOL/Leaving one’s duty Post
          This is what Bush did, and had he ever spent time on duty in the guard he would have known this.

          Now many Republicans will say, “Clinton Lied” Yes he did, but Clinton’s Lies didn’t cause the deaths of 4600 servicemembers, and thousands more wounded. Clinton’s Lies didn’t start an Illegal war. Think about it.

          As for health Care, It has to begin with the Bush tax cut roll back, and those paying taxes would be paying the same as they did before Bush took office. Secondly, The President and the Congress needs to re-establish a Regulatory Commission to Over see companies, and to set guidelines on how much they could charge americans for Insurance coverage, another suggestion is to get health insurance like you get car, home, etc., The Commission could also set levels for Drug companies and Credit Card Companies, And the money saved by rolling back the Bush tax giveaways, can be used for programs or to start paying down the deficit.

          The point is this, Apparently Clinton with a bi-partisan congress were able to come together to not only provide a surplus for the next Administration, but they managed to Balance the Budget, and get the deficit to ZERO

          Then Bush took Office.

          In Closing, It disgusts me and many others, that even though the Republicans Tried to destroy America, Including their misleading and ruthless tatics in the 2004 election, The Republicans will stop at nothing to get their way, They will do whatever it takes, Lie, cheat and Steal? Can’t put it pass them, They damaged our financial system, our corporate and banking system, And damaged our Reputation to the world. They brought dishonor to the Office of the President and to the Country And the worst part of all, Now we got to Clean up another Republican mess and

          Is that the Cowardly Republicans Refuse to be Accountable for the Last 8 Years.
          The Republicans Refuse to Accept Responsibility for their and President Bush’s actions. And I believe that the Republicans still haven’t gotten the message, yelled loud and clear last November, Because if they had, They would not be trying to make President Obama fail, The Republicans should work with the President. The Republicans need to change their ways, because until they Grow-Up and Learn to Accept Responsibility for their Actions, they will not be returned to office. They also need to listen to the citizens, Instead of Only coming to us, making promises just to get our vote, and then they stick us on the back burner until our votes are needed again

          How Sad

      • Gerald Marquardt

        You must remember that Bush was no CONSERVATIVE

        • Smilee

          He claimed to be!! are you saying he lied????

        • dan irwin

          but he is an Oligarch!

          Down with the people!

          Burn the Constitution, we need the fuel to process coal!

        • Dave

          When you have every Liberal TV & Radio, newspapers, all the liberal Talk show sniping and running down Bush for 8 fricken years your bound to BRAIN WASH the Public about how stupid Bush was supposed to be….

      • John A

        Kevin Kevin Kevin,

        You are so correct when you state “check the facts”.
        Fact #1 Democrate President
        Fact #2 Budget wasn’t balanced until after the “Contract for America”

        Fact #3 More than $10 Trillion Dollars by 2015 for all this spending YOUR congress and president (All Democrates) are doing. What is YOUR PLAN to pay it back? There isn’t one, this will be the first big failure in the Medical Coverage for America.
        Fact #4 America is waking up to this non-sense.
        Fact #5 2010 will be a Landslide Victory to remove your Dems.

        • Smilee

          John A Reply:
          July 17th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

          Oh John, the big failure of medical coverage is already upon us, the argument is over how to fix it not. and that is what congress is working on. Fact 1 & 2 are correct, number 3,4,& 5 are skewed and a joke, want to bet there will be no landslide in 10, Dems may loose a few but still remain in charge and in 12 get ready for the Johnson 64 type of landslide for Obama.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Smilee is confused, because he cannot see Obama as a failure, because they both look the same. Obama will be sacrificed by his own party before the next election happens, because everything they are doing is wrong and is blowing up in their faces, and I know how democrats work. They can never be held responsible for what they do. Obama isnt the one making all these decisions on what to do right now, hell man, he doesnt have a clue. The democrats as a whole are reaching for straws. They havent a clue what to do. They will collectively gather to save face, and throw Obama under the bus. You watch and see. It’ll be better than a sitcom.

        • Norm

          John A
          You have to be really creative to give republicans credit for the Clinton surpluses, and blame the democrats for the Bush (and Reagan) monster deficits.
          Bush had congress for most of his term in office. He never vetoed a spending bill. He cut taxes to spur the economy, but most of the cuts went to the people who needed it least and did little increase economic activity. He also blew nearly a trillion dollars on a war to destroy Iran’s worse enemy. Blame the dems – who are far from perfect.

      • Norm

        Yeah Kevin.

      • Robin, Arcadia, IN

        Kevin… Well that will never happen again in my lifetime, or my children’s, and maybe not even my grandbaby’s lifetime (a balanced budget or surplus). And Bush may have got the ball rolling on the bail outs, but Barry has spent money that isn’t even printed yet. This is not going to solve the problem. It is going to get a lot worse before it gets better, if it ever gets better!

      • DaveH

        Kevin,
        Check your facts. The budget was balanced in large part by passing mandates on the states. Thus getting the costs off the federal budget and onto the states’ budgets.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        It wasnt balanced. Smoke and mirrors, facts were, it was never balanced. He told about as much truth about that as he did when he said “I did not have sexual relations with that women”. Right.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Or that he smoked dope, but he didnt inhale. Right.

    • Patricia Henson

      I agree with you. I am writing somebody every day. I attend every teaparty that I can to find out what more I can do and then I do it. We have to fight back or lose this country. The best thing that we can do though is turn back to the God of Abraham,Issac, And Jacob and let him join the fight. I think one of the reasons were in this situation to begin with is because we turned our backs on him by taking prayer out of our schools, the 10 commandments out of public places, even a nativity scene off the courthouse lawn. I guarentee that if we put the God of our forefathers back in action that this fight will be over before it even begins. God is still on the Throne. We have to quit making the name of Jesus Christ a dirty word though because I know that Allah doesn’t live in this country.

      • Brian Rawls

        Allah is a foolish goat jockey

        • Patricia Henson

          Brian,I don’t think Allah is anything so it would be difficult to be a goat jockey,stupid or otherwise.

      • Jim

        Patricia,

        Thank you for keeping the name of Jesus the Christ in the converstion. Without him nothing matters.

        Jim

        • Patricia Henson

          Dear Jim, You are welcome. I don’t know about you but I am tired of Jesus Christ being a dirty word. I don’t care that Athiests and Muslims find it offensive. Did you know that military chaplins have been ordered not to pray in the name of Jesus? How wrong that is. You can mention the name of any other God but nothing that has to do with Christianity. Our country was built on Judeo- Christian princiblesand I think it’s past time to put them back. You are right about us being nothing without Jesus and it is nice to see somebody say so. May God bless you and your family.

      • dan irwin

        sorry to bother you,
        there never was prayer in school. We live in America, not Russia, Go home. Separation between church and state…sound familiar…?
        or did you go to public school ?

        We never should have let you people in to the U.S.A.
        Religious freedom, it was supposed to stop this nonsense, what a mistake.

        And if your going to bring Jesus into this,
        start being morally outraged and support the Global Marshal Plan Initiative, hypocrite! Maybe you could make the World a better place, rather than trying to bring about the Apocalypse.

        or maybe start being morally outraged at our infant mortality and education rates, we used to be among the very best in all the world, now we are last among 1st world nations. We have to import scientists to study in our universities, because our children are illiterate and simply cannot compete!

        “Without education by all a nations citizens, Democracy cannot exist!” B. F. (paraphrased)

        Also, FYI I happen to live next door to Allah. Nice guy. Teaches at the University. Big family- you’d think he was catholic, except he doesn’t have that (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT)…? Taller than I thought, but very modest. Good neighbor, good kids, kinda quiet though. Nice yard. Drives a Dodge.

        • John A

          Dan Irwin,

          There is NO Separation between Church and State. Get the facts.Click here for the Facts

          As for Prayer in Schools, you must be a little young puppy. There was.
          Oh, and by the way, there is still prayer in our Congress and House of Reps.

          Thank God for Prayer.

        • dan irwin

          have you read that?
          It proves my point exactly.

          go back to college!
          jees!

        • Teri

          You ignorant snob! You don’t know what you are talking about. I am old enough to remember having a prayer or spiritual thought read every morning over the PA system. You need to stick to what you know!
          As far as the decline in our education, I agree with you. But not for the reasons you think! Liberals & Unions have infiltrated our Universities for years, and have made their way into the Elementary level of education…teaching their radical “I deserve a handout” mentality to our Youth. So, if you want someone to blame for poor spellers, Look in the mirror!

        • AkCoyote

          Funny. We prayed in the Indianapolis Public Schools when I went there in the 60′s. Prayer was banned when I was in about the 2nd grade.

        • Patricia Henson

          I beg to differ with you but there was prayer in school everyday! I started my school day by saying the pledge of allegiance and that was followed daily by a prayer. If you are going to be rude to people you should at least have your facts straight. We said prayers at assemblies, at football games,at all school functions. Because I am a Christian I will forgive your ignorance. Allah may live in your neighborhood but he doesn’t live in mine. God loves you anyway and I hope someday you find him. I will pray for you everyday.May God bless you and your family.

        • Smilee

          John A Reply:
          July 17th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

          John A

          Taken as a whole and in context the I do not believe you read this website correctly, but it does not matter because it is the Supreme Court that interprets the meaning of the constitution and not documents such as you quote on this website. The Supreme Court has made it clear on more that one occasion they have interpreted the 1st amendment as church and state being separate. I know most conservatives disagree and wish to inject their own interpretation on it but neither make it true and it is the court that has the final say and they say you are wrong.

        • Smilee

          Patricia Henson Reply: July 17th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

          This was done in quite a few public schools until it was brought to the Supreme Court and they interpreted the Ist Amendment as church and state being separate and ordered that prayer and other religious activities could not take in places owned by the public. That is why it is no longer allowed.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          I beg to differ, when I grew up, we prayed in school. Public school at that. We all prayed in school after Kennedy got shot, and many other times as well. We said my country tis of thee everyday, you know, One Nation Under God. Yeah, everyday. Separation was supposed to mean the government couldnt stop you from practicing your religion, not that it is supposed to stop you from practicing Christianity, but allow all others. Thats what it has developed into. And you expect God to stand by and bless us while our leaders are doing this. Right.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        The good book says, “If my people pray, I will heal their land”. We need to pray. I do not like Obama, I do not think he is an American citizen. I know he is not a Christian as I have heard him refer to his muslim religion. He offers nothing good to the leadership and continuity of this country well being. However, I pray for him and his cabinet everyday, that they would be influenced by God and to make Godly decisions, and to raise up the name of Jesus Christ in this country. Some times God’s answer to prayer is no, but I will still pray for him daily, even though I want him out of there now, I will pray for him. That is what I am charged to do. I do not like him and what he stands for and what he has done, but again, I still pray for him and the democrats to have their eyes and ears opened to see what they are doing. Maybe God will answer, maybe He wont, but I will daily ask.

        • Patricia Henson

          Thank you Mark. You are doing exactly what the Bible says to do by praying for those people leading our country. I get so angry at them sometimes that I forget to do just that. I would hate to see anyone spend eternity in Hell so I should do better,asking God to touch those peoples hearts and maybe do a better job touching mine. I’m glad that you are remembering them in your prayers and I will try to do a better job remembering them in mine. Thanks again for the food for thought.

        • Robin, Arcadia, IN

          Well said Mark. I pray for our leaders, too. I do not like what is going on in this administration, but only God can change things. We all need to pray. It’s our only real hope!

    • Brad

      We may face another civil war.This country is divided like never before.Some states already have bills ready to go to seceed from this “union”.if things continue down this path,that could be an inevitable conclusion.I will keep my money and property,you guys can have the change

  • Margie Salinas

    I wonder why the California tax situation was never brought to light during the campaign. Have the Minnesotan’s all lost their minds?

    • Smilee

      Margie Salinas on July 17th, 2009 at 10:57 am:

      It was and the matter was resolved.

      • Jane Winstead

        Question: How was the matter resolved?
        Answer: The same way the Obama cabinet members resolved their lapse in memory when it came to paying their taxes.

    • Chris

      No, I assure you that not ALL Minnesotan’s have lost their minds. There are tons of us who are sick over this whole thing. Many of us are very responsible and have written to our reps. and have protested many of the things happening in our nation. We will continue to do so. Try not to lump us all in one big pot. There are still lots of good conservative people here. We just can’t seem to beat the masses of people moving into our cities for the huge welfare handouts our state is stupidly known for.

      • Smilee

        Chris Reply:
        July 17th, 2009 at 12:04 pm

        Pawlenty’s office released these statistics on welfare this spring and it said as many moved into the state on welfare as people who were on welfare moved out of the state last year making it a wash. There was no net increase in the welfare load from out of state persons last year. Just though you would like to know the truth. I know in the last legislation session conservatives where trying to make that argument then shortly after session these numbers were released making this argument bogus. JUST THE FACTS, I take no position.

        • Chris

          While I’m glad that we lost as many as we gained (that one year) it doesn’t change the fact that we still have tons…. many that shouldn’t even be on welfare. I know because my husband worked at a downtown bank where they came and stood in line to cash their welfare checks. They used to laugh at him and tell him he was stupid for working when he could be getting free money like they were. I feel sorry for them as they don’t even realize they are being kept like pets for their voting power.

        • dan irwin

          I live in California.
          The problem is with the Constitution’s 2/3rds vote required to pass a budget.

          A small minority has a large majority, by the balls and we wouldn’t want it any other way. If you rely on the government to survive or prosper, your done.

          Soon, we’ll reinstate vagrancy laws and debtors prison and incarcerate all the undesirables, sherking all our responsibility and finally balancing the budget.

          NOW, we need to stamp out those tent cities! Vagrants!

          Tax the poor, they are Gods chosen! or was that the meek? criminally insane? the jews, tax the jews!

          So are you guy’s with me, I think we need to invade Mexico. Get them to build a freekin wall.

        • Smilee

          dan irwin Reply:
          July 17th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

          I agree the proposition that you voted in was a big mistake for you in CA and handicaps your legislature big time. Do not follow the rest of your post it makes no sense to me,.

        • dan irwin

          The proposition the we voted on…? 8 in Nov was about restricting the rights (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT), having noting to do with the 2/3rds majority needed to pass a budget, set out in the Constitution, which probably Brown will change after Arnold leaves. The Constitution and amendments were written years ago. The problem now, is that no one wants to compromise.

          So, DEATH to ALL!

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      They elected Jesse Ventura before this guy, with no experience also. Must be something in the air, or they are so backwards up there, that if they hear a name theyve heard of on TV, thats who they vote for. Doesnt sound right to me. Jesse Ventura, then Al Franken. Whats next, Charles Manson for mayor of St. Paul?

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Of course they have. Ventura and now Franken. Yep, pretty much lost their minds.

  • Ric

    Former Saturday Night Live performer? He might be.
    BUT let’s talk about that former beauty queen from Alaska!
    ….you’re a joke and your party’s a joke!

    • John A

      Our Beauty Queen’s got your whole party in a quandary, doesn’t she?

      If you all (Liberals) were so darned scared she’s got a fighting chance you would be raising such a stink about her.

      Go Sarah. Ya’ll got nothing on her but lies (hmmm, similar to Little Al Franken)

      • Smilee

        John A Reply:
        July 17th, 2009 at 11:16 am

        No one in our party that I know where in a quandary, we all welcomed her and thought of her as the conservative’s idea of joke at the time and we felt out changes of winning were greatly increased when she got on board. We do agree she is beautiful though.

        • Teri

          Well, Smilee…Our Conservative “Joke”, beat your Liberal “Joke” hands down in a debate! The reason the Democrats won, was not because of Palin. As much as I admire McCain, he was not the right candidate for the Republicans…and he is the reason we lost.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Palin-McCain would have won hands down. The republicans blew up by running a 90 year old guy. Big mistake. Sarah would have whupped your boy. 2012 you will see. Of course, your dems will have obama thrown under the bus way before that.

    • Patricia Henson

      The former beauty queen from Alaska has more brains in her little toe than most of the candidates elected have in their whole body. Don’t you people ever quit whining about Sarah? What exactly scares you about her anyway?

      • Smilee

        Patricia Henson Reply:
        July 17th, 2009 at 11:51 am

        That we could see nothing that indicates she did have any brains, did she have them all hidden in here little toe??????

        • Dave

          She sure is a lot smarter than the so called Community Organizer that they gave us as President. Doesn’t know his (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) from a hole in the ground!!!!!!!

        • Patricia Henson

          Oh boy, another illiterate genios is responding to my comment. Sarah Palin sure scares the bejeesus it seems from people who can barely form a sentence or spell. I don’t think I’ll waste my time this time.

        • LARRY

          man i don’t believe all this crap .. our country going down like a turd in the punch bowl and all you are doing is setting here trying to place the blame on someone else .. he was voted into the white house , maybe by crook or whatever , but we all have to stop all this arguing and stand up and be counted .. i don’t like what i see or either but this isn’t doing any good … we are all americans aren’t we ? lets unite and do something about this problem we are facing …

        • Smilee

          LARRY Reply:
          July 17th, 2009 at 11:07 pm

          Larry you say “man i don’t believe all this crap .. our country going down like a turd in the punch bowl…”

          “…Turd in a punch bowl…” You don’t mind if I pass on coming to a party at your house do you????

        • Patricia Henson

          Smileys reply to Larry, You got some sense of humor on you girl! I haven’t laughed in awhile. It felt good.

      • dan irwin

        no wonder we couldn’t find it, was in her toe, of coarse.

        Why don’t we get a candidate who’s smart to take over the World. Someone who finished… towards the top of their class, maybe?

        She scares me and I’m sympathetic. Stupid is dangerous! Crazy we can deal with, that’s predictable. She might New Mexico… cause it’s left of Texas.

        We deserve better!
        Are there not any smart people, that want to take over America?

        Do we have anyone? At all? How bout not stupid? besides mitt?

        David Gergen?

        • Patricia Henson

          I guess we don’t have to worry about you then. Look at the comment and read it over. Does it make sense to anyone or is it just me? Look at the comment about New Mexico, A big HUH? Of course is not spelled coarse. Go back to school and then come talk to me.

      • Dickie

        Patricia, Santan,Is always scard of GOOD,That is why the demon-craft’s,Are running scard,When they try to turn attention away from them,They turn to someone good it is a pattern for the demon’s,When pelosi,flat out lied,She turned on vice,Pres Cheney,again,This slug,& boxer,are the queens of decent,& control the little boy’s in congress,They wet their panties,When these two parasites theaten,To tell some sort of corruption,They are doing,So whem a BREATH of FRESH AIR, OF MORALS CAME ALONG,THESE HARLETS,GOT SCARD,AND try to distory anything good.That is the way scoundrel’s like solorels do.

        • Patricia Henson

          Dickies reply, You are right about Satan being scared of anything good so I guess he’s very comfortable with those women and I use the term loosely. I guess in the end though it’s their souls that will be burning in Hell. In the mean time though they are doing a number on this country. Thanks for your reply though, it is always appreciated even when people don’t agree with me. May God bless you and your family.

    • Arthur

      I’m not 100% behind Sarah, but she is smarter than the average liberal there’s no doubt of that. So let me ask if she is such a joke and a dunce “Why are the Dem’s so afraid of her”. You say the Dem’s are not afraid of her. Then why are they always filing false charges against her. Fifteen in Alaska at last count (which were all tossed out for lack of evidence), and one more since he has resigned the office.Why are they always trying to degrade her. I’ll tell you why. They are flat scared of her. If they believe she was such a dunce, then why not just shut up about her and let her show her stupidity.

      • Smilee

        They have not been proven false as yet, we say bring her on in 2012, that should insure an Obama landslide. The ethics probe was a republican doing, Afraid of her must be the joke of the day. She has been her own worst enemy and has degraded herself the must. Weather we shut up or not her stupidity will show though. She does not even have the stamina to finish her first term, and you want her to be president.

        • Teri

          You need to learn how to spell. Trying to read your rhetoric is straining my eyes!
          You ignorant, immoral Democrats drive me nuts. It has been so long since you did anything worthwhile, that you can’t recognize an admirable gesture when it hits you in the face! It is because of the foolishness of the liberal idiots slinging these lawsuits and accusations at her continually, that she was forced (in good conscience) to give up her Governor position.
          She can be much more useful to this Country (including Alaska), as a Citizen. She clearly demands attention from the “Left”, “Right” and “Middle”. It doesn’t matter if she runs in 2012 or 2016…You all know she will be in the White House someday, and that clearly scares you.

        • Tom

          you wish

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          The woman epitomized the perfect American. Nice looking, articulate, kind, caring, puts others first, actually serves the people she was elected to serve, actually balanced her states budget, gave money back to the people that paid the taxes. Love of family, Love of God. American through and through, and yet you left wing liberals got so afraid you had to immorally tell lies and bring false charges, that resulted in her resigning to go to work as a civilian where she can make enough money to fight these false allegations you (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) have brought against it. Its going nowhere, because there is nothing there, except the fear of the left. Oh, she will be exhonerrated of all the bunk you guys created, then she will come back and slap your sorry (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) in 2012. If she runs, your done. Well, with Obama your done anyhow. Even the left wingers are dumping him allready. He’s a loser, and it didnt even take him a year to prove it. He divided communities in Chicago, where he was supposed to be a community organizer, but he caused big divides there, what with decided some were worth and some werent. Heck man, if Sarah would have been #1 and McCain the VP, we wouldnt be hurting like we are now. Young folks learn your lessons. You got laid off, because you voted in these tax monsters. They do it again and again. Sarah has more class and brains in her feet than Obama and his old lady got in their entire bodies. Ive heard that woman talk, and she is “street” as they come. Sarah shows here education when she talks. As far as any women politicians go, she is head and shoulders in wisdom above where any of them have been, except for one, Condoleeza Rice, who is a very very intelligent woman. Smart enough to get out of politics before the left can try to destroy her and her family. And they would. Vultures.

        • Smilee

          Mark

          You seem like a man in a lot of pain, your responses get more ridiculous every day

      • AkCoyote

        Actually the count is up to 20 charges of ethics violations. I believe 15 so far have been dismissed. And guess what? It’s democrat activists who are filing them. Who would’ve guessed.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Just another example of the left wing attack machine. When youve got nothing positive, no solutions to bring to the table, you attack. Sadly, thats all the left has, attack, attack, attack. And falsely at that I might add.

    • Jim

      Ric,

      I agree that the party is a joke. Both parties are a joke. And not a very funny one, either!

      Jim

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Oh, you must mean the one that is pretty, smart, articulate, that not only balanced her states budget, but gave money back to the people. The one that if she was the presidential candidate, and McCain the VP, would have won the election hands down. Yes sir, lefties cant see the forest because of the trees.

  • Debbie Parmer

    If Rush Limbaugh is dumb then that would make you an amoeba.
    I’m sure you’ll have to look that up.

    • Norm

      I’ve have BSEE and MSCS degrees -what do you have?
      I think you fit the description of an amoeba.

      Some Rush gems:
      1. “There is no conclusive proof that nicotine’s addictive… And the same thing with cigarettes causing emphysema, lung cancer, heart disease.”
      2. “[African Americans] are twelve percent of the population. Who the hell cares?”
      3. “Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream.”
      4. To a black caller: “Take that bone out of your nose and call me back.”
      5. “Screw the world. Do you really think we ought to govern ourselves based on what the world thinks of us?”
      6. “Columbus saved the Indians from themselves.”

      LIMBAUGH: “If you have any doubts about the status of American health care, just compare it with that in other industrialized nations.”
      REALITY: The United States ranks 19th in life expectancy and 20th in infant mortality among 23 industrialized nations, according to the CIA’s 1993 World Fact Book. The U.S. also has the lowest health care satisfaction rate (11 percent) of the 10 largest industrialized nations (Health Affairs, vol. 9, no. 2).

      LIMBAUGH: Limbaugh constantly tells his audience that he doesn’t make personal or ad hominem attacks. To a caller who had a problem with his personalized attacks, Limbaugh responded with a denial: “Give me a specific example: who, what, when, where, and what exactly did I say?”
      REALITY: One hour before that call, Limbaugh was telling his audience that a 5,000-year-old man found buried in ice–pictured on the cover of Time magazine–was really Sally Jesse Raphael: “This is just what Sally Jesse Raphael looks like without makeup!”

      MORE REALITY: Columnist Molly Ivins reported (Arizona Republic 10/17/93) this incident from Limbaugh’s TV show–”Here is a Limbaugh joke: Everyone knows the Clintons have a cat. Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is a White House dog?” And he puts up a picture of Chelsea Clinton. Chelsea Clinton is 13 years old

      Simply amazing!

      • Ole Hurst

        OLE
        Norm you seem to have some intellegence but lack any common sense. But that is the norm (pardon the pun) for most of you leftys

        • Norm

          Ole
          Unproven speculation on your part in both instances.

      • Debbie Parmer

        Wow Norm, all I made reference to was your statement about Rush being dumb. Just because someone is insensitive or rude doesn’t make them dumb. And by the way Norm, a degree is not a determinate of intelligence.

        • Norm

          Debbie
          Neither is the lack of one.

        • Smilee

          Debbie Parmer Reply: July 17th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
          Wow Norm, all I made reference to was your statement about Rush being dumb. Just because someone is insensitive or rude doesn’t make them dumb. And by the way Norm, a degree is not a determinate of intelligence

          *My experience is that smart men are not insensitive and rude, they are gentlemen. Rush sure is not a gentleman. But I congratulate you on having the courage to admit he is rude and insensitive of which there is no quarrel *

      • http://dejazzd.com nobody

        Like you said who the H is Rush Limgaugh ..Why are YOU quoting him ?

        • Norm

          nobody
          just a little cynicism.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Maybe your so angry because you spent too much time in school. I used to get angry in Jr. High School when I had to sit there instead of being outside playing.

        • Norm

          Mark
          It shows.

      • sarah

        Isn’t free speech wonderful?

      • DaveH

        Norm,
        You have an BSEE and an MSCS, wow, that gives you superiority. I have worked with people of all degree levels who don’t have a clue when it comes to politics. I have two degrees, BS in Biology, and BS in Math, with several Computer Science courses later on, but I learned very little about politics and economics in college. My main learning experience was due to my stock market investments. I had to follow what the government was doing because most of what they do has a big effect on investments. I read religiously every day for most of my first 8 years of work life. In fact, it cost me my marriage because I didn’t spend enough time with my wife.
        I can certainly see Rush Limbaugh’s frustration when it comes to Democrats. I have often cringed though when I have heard him make some outlandish remark under the guise of humor. I do believe he needs to change that behavior and just stick to the facts. Maybe he feels that would bore his listeners to just dead pan the facts, who knows?
        Anyway, as I have stated before, I am Libertarian, but I would trust the Republicans more than I would trust the Democrats. However, I don’t want either one of them making my life-choices.

        • Norm

          DaveH

          I mentioned my education only after being compared to an amoeba. I don’t wear it on my sleeve, but I did earn it.

          As I also stated, I’m a lifelong republican who has become very unhappy with the direction that the party has taken. I too have a wee bit of stock market experience and was fortunate enough to avoid most of the last bloodbath.
          I blame Alan Greenspan’s over reaction on interest rate reduction, and the lack of governmental oversight on the banking industry for the meltdown.
          The shrinking middle class is also causing the US to become less afluent. People without money are relying far too much on credit, and anticipated asset appreciation to solve their problems.

          As for Rush, he is a good business man and provocative entertainer. There was a time that I actually supported some of his ideas. But a man who says he wants the president of the US to fail, just to boost his ego, is crossing the line in my view. Rush is a very wealthy man and I think his ideas are understandable in that context. Some of the poorer people who hang on his every word truly amaze me though.

        • DaveH

          Norm,
          I think you may enjoy reading Thomas Sowell’s book “The Housing Boom and Bust”. In it he explains the anatomy of the meltdown (and the government is complicit). And as stated in an earlier post, the government is currently doing more of the same.
          I probably don’t need to tell you this, but we are headed for some nasty inflation (at least double-digit) so anyone with large amounts of cash needs to diversify at least a portion into some hard assets (housing, precious metals, cars if you have plans to buy one soon anyway). During inflationary times one can borrow money to buy hard assets (leverage) and then later on pay off the debt with cheaper dollars. The problem with this approach though is that it is risky given the scary economic outlook, as you need to keep your job to pay the debt down (usually).

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        I got a BFD and Im a BMF on the side. Letters mean nothing pal, I know plenty of college grads that are dumber than a bag of rocks. Heck, Glen Robinson graduated from Purdue, you know, that top echelon engineering college? His agent had to read him his contract. Yeah, its kind of like that. Degree’s mean nothing when it comes to common sense, in fact sometimes it detracts from it.

        • Norm

          Didn’t mean to intimidate you. My education helped me to make a good living.
          You do make a point, though, GW Bush has a BA from Yale and an MBA from Harvard and has the vocabulary of an average 4th grader.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          But I think George Bush, who you slander to no end, and label as stupid, and that he cant talk, which says loads about your prejudice to those of the southwest, because that is the way they talk, but his education has served him evidently, much better than yours. While you sit here lambasting him, seems to me he rose to be the owner of the Texas Rangers, far more in business than you ever went, to being the Governor of Texas, far more than you ever went, and then President of the United States, far more than youll ever go, and then not resting on his laurels, he used his position of power to benefit others, by not only creating a tax break that allowed business’s to hire millions of workers, he then freed millions of people living in oppression, something no other has done. If you think speaking eloquently as Bill Clinton did, or being able to read from a teleprompter as Barrack Obama does means your smart, dude your confused. You buy into the plastic baloney they give you. When George Bush talked, sure he had a drawl, he spoke like a common man, speaking to a common man, and I for one appreciated it. He spoke from the heart, and like him or not, the guy came, said he was going to to A and B, and he did A and B. Not many politicians do what they say, kind of like Obama right now. The cat aint doing nothing but giving our money away to the UAW and GM, and Ill guarantee you right now, its not going to turn out well. He has weakened us to our enemies, and is selling us down the river. So sad you cant see that. But I am smart enough to know that it isnt so much Obama, as it is his party. While you guys sat there pointing the little finger saying Bush, Bush, Bush, you evidently dont realize the President doesnt have absolute control to do what he wants. It takes congress to back it up, and much of what Bush did and tried to do was backed by the democratic congress, so if you guys dont like what he did, you need to vote these democrats out that you disagree with. Its that simple. But the guy is damn smart, smarter than you or I will ever be, and you announce your stupidity to the world when you try to cut him down and announce all the degrees you have, yet he by far excelled high above what you ever did. So point your little finger, thats all youve got. Have a nice day.

        • Jim

          Mark

          If you think GWB didn’t get his position becasue he was well connected, you’ve been blinded by the right. I for one will claim with great certainty that I AM smarter then GWB, and so are the majority of the people in this blog, even you. You are wrong just about all the time, but at least you can express yourself with some logic, albeit based on invaled premises. GWB was “successful” because his dad is no idiot and was able to buy him an oil company, which he broke after insider trading himself into a small fortune, then mishandled a baseball team after getting polticians to get him a nearly free ball park and then get us into a situation in the middle east that has nearly broken the country. It’s not his Texas drawl that makes him sound like an idiot, it’s what he says with that Texas drawl. LBJ spoke with the same Texas accent, but he made sense. Lloyd Bentsen had the Texas accent and made Dan Quayle look like what he was, an idiot.

          The only smart thing GWB did was listen to a few people smarter than him and inject some cash into the banking system he and his cronies let run amok to the detriment of the entire world. But if you want to continue to blame the media just go ahead. Did you ever think that the reason why they are all different from Fox News is that Fox is biased and the others are accurate? It does make more sense. The data also supports that view.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Jim, you are whack. Bush ran the banks amuck? Excuse me. I believe that was Bill Clinton, Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorelick and Barney Frank thank you. Get your facts straight you lying left wing liberal pacifist appeaser. How can you openly lie like that? Do you think we all are stupid democrats that believe what ABC,NBC,CBS,CNN and MSNBC, or the LA Times and NY Times says? You would get more truth from the National Enquirer. And your smarter than President Bush? Funny, Ive never heard of you. Must have made it real far. And LBJ wasnt smart. He killed thousands of our young people escalating the Vietnam war so him and his cronies could make millions of dollars, and I know it, you know it, and the American people know it. I still happen to think he had something to do with offing Kennedy, as he was a power hungry foul mouthed man. Dont give this creton credit like that. His intelligence paled next to Mr. Bush. Thats a fact. And Lloyd Bentsen, what a crook. You sure surround yourself with losers and somehow use them as examples that someone is to look up to? FAIL.

  • Brenda

    Why is it that if you disagree with liberals you have sour grapes or you are called names? There are a lot of wrong things happening in this country and if we don’t watch it, we the American citizens may be forced to react in the same manner as the Hondurans. If you don’t think so, you’re blind and cannot see what Barack Hussein Obama’s real agenda. People didn’t think Hitler was a threat either!

  • RepublicanRick

    You democraps just cannot help yourselves. We are giving you all the rope you want right now. It is inevitable that you will hang yourselves. Hell, it’s happening on a daily basis already. Political positions based on ignorance reverse-racism,low-class, uncouth, personal destruction tactics have succeeded to this point due to apathy. This, and especially the Obama economy, is waking up the majority now. Thank you for the wicked, unholy nature in which you function. It will positively benefit our nation for many years to come.

    Replub’s would never pass bills without reading them first. Those who take the high road will prevail, in the end. Remember that as you watch all of your perverse schemes based on a failed ideologies fall apart as the country is destroyed in the process.

    When it’s all over, likely in 2010, Obama will be a “lame duck usurper” and it will be 1-2 generations before you liberals will have another chance of brainwashing enough morons to give it another go.

    How’s this Obama “hope and change” thingy working out for you…..and the country now? Remember, we are not black, white, latino, asian or rich, middle-class or poor. WE ARE AMERICANS. ALL OF US.

    • John A

      AMEN, REP RICK

    • Bob

      The only problem with this is by the time the Sheepel of this country wake up we will have socialised med,business (GM),home ownership(who is taking on all these refinancing) Unk Freddie and aunt Fanny,Like SS once you get all these social programs in you can’t get them out.
      S S was only suposed to be a TEMOERARY thing, JUST LIKE NOW. HA

      • AkCoyote

        Nothing that can’t be undone.

    • Average Joe

      Rep Rick,
      Change?….I got about 12 cents left (shhh…not too loud)
      Transparency?…yup, I can see right thru him ;-)

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      But what you said at the end, I see as what the democrats have done, they have forged this thing where in their voters minds, the republicans are bunch of rich white people, and the democrats are black, hispanic, asian, illegal aliens, and we are out to get them, so they create this big division in America. They have done it for years. Yet it is the republicans that freed black people, Republicans that fought for civil rights while the democrats fought against it, and the republicans have named more prominent blacks to posts that the democrats, but somehow they get the black population to vote for them, while they consistently hold them down and keep them down by offering little hand outs to keep them in their place. You give a man a handout and you break his spirit. You have him work for it and it builds him up. Dr. Harry Edwards and Bill Cosby will tell you about this, but when they speak the truth, they are called uncle tom. Its not right. But the black population in this country would much better serve themselves if they turned over to the republican party. It has served them much better than the democrats ever have.

  • bruce

    I guess we should pay particular attention to these events, both in MN and in Honduras, since the stealing of elections seems to be a specialty of the Democrats in charge in this country. Is it surprising that Obama has moved to place the US Census under the White House? And guess who got $5 Billion of US Taxpayer money in the “stimulous” bill? Acorn, of course, who will also be assisting with the Census. PAY ATTENTION FOLKS, this group will stop at nothing and we are going to have our very own banana republic, complete with phony elections.
    We should fire every single member of Congress in 2010 and 2012, not to mention Obama, and start over. This body has, for 50 years failed us in their mission and gotten progressively more and more corrupt.

    • GWB

      And what about George Bush stealing votes in Florida 2000? Forgot that?

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Never happened. What happened, was tens of thousands of military votes that didnt even get counted, because Bush didnt need them. Almost all of them were Republican, but somehow they got flown around the world for awhile, trying to hide them. Now who would do that? Can someone say lefty?

      • dassieland

        It was the Democrats that tried to pull something in Florida. They (Democrats ofcourse) even hauled voting booths around after it closed to get more votes. There was just as much corruption there (from Democrats) trying to steal the votes from President Bush. You liberals tried your hardest but God was on his side. I thank God for that as perhaps Gore would have handed us over to the terrorist, just like Clinton did. Remember Osama Bin Ladin was practically handed over to him and he looked the other way. Did nothing about it, therefore I blame Clinton for this war we had to go into – Not BUSH. President Bush is our hero, saved us from disaster. God Bless the good old USA and our troops and their families for their sacrifices.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Not only that, that pacifist appeasing Bill Clinton let them bomb the World Trade Center basement, let them blow up our barracks in Lebanon killing hundreds of of soldiers, let them blow up the USS Cole, and let them drag our dead through the streets of Somalia beating them naked on TV, and he did nothing. I tell you, HE DID NOTHING. While our enemy was testing and testing us, punching in the nose then punching in the nose again, Bill Clinton sent Hillary out and ordered in a young intern and a cigar. What a joke he was as president. Then like you said, 3 times he was offered Bin Laden, and said no. He curled up the fetal position and peed his pants and cried for his mommy. What a loser. Democrats. This is a fact, and those in this post will try to deny it, and call me names, but you know dassieland, and I know, and the America people know, this all happened, its all fact, and one cannot change history. Some fail to recognize the mistakes, and they are doomed to repeat them. But most of us saw this as how it was, and how these lefties operate.

      • dassieland

        Reply to:- GWB Reply:

        July 17th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

        And what about George Bush stealing votes in Florida 2000? Forgot that?

        July 19th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

        It was the Democrats that tried to pull something in Florida. They (Democrats ofcourse) even hauled voting booths around after it closed to get more votes. There was just as much corruption there (from Democrats) trying to steal the votes from President Bush. You liberals tried your hardest but God was on his side. I thank God for that as perhaps Gore would have handed us over to the terrorist, just like Clinton did. Remember Osama Bin Ladin was practically handed over to him and he looked the other way. Did nothing about it, therefore I blame Clinton for this war we had to go into – Not BUSH. President Bush is our hero, saved us from disaster. God Bless the good old USA and our troops and their families for their sacrifices.

    • Teri

      I tend to agree…However there are still a few in Washington with GOOD common sense: DeMint, etc. But, absolutely…Get rid of Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Frank, Schumer, Feinstein, Boxer…oops “Senator Boxer”…and so on, and so on…

      • Norm

        Teri
        We live in a democracy. Majority rules. The democrats have the power in a big way. Your next shot at it is 2010, and judging from what I see, things look bad for the republicans. Maybe if they would stop ranting and raveing, and make some positive contributions to solving the enormous problems facing us, they might become electable. The US is mainly moderate right not extreme right.
        Until voted otherwise, you lose. Live with it.

        • Teri

          Well, to quote Sarah Palin….

          “Job losses are so certain under this new cap-and-tax plan that it includes a provision accommodating newly unemployed workers from the resulting dried-up energy sector, to the tune of $4.2 billion over eight years. So much for creating jobs.

          In addition to immediately increasing unemployment in the energy sector, even more American jobs will be threatened by the rising cost of doing business under the cap-and-tax plan. For example, the cost of farming will certainly increase, driving down farm incomes while driving up grocery prices. The costs of manufacturing, warehousing and transportation will also increase.

          The ironic beauty in this plan? Soon, even the most ardent liberal will understand supply-side economics.

          The Americans hit hardest will be those already struggling to make ends meet. As the president eloquently puts it, their electricity bills will “necessarily skyrocket.” So much for not raising taxes on anyone making less than $250,000 a year.

          Even Warren Buffett, an ardent Obama supporter, admitted that under the cap-and-tax scheme, “poor people are going to pay a lot more for electricity.”

          We must move in a new direction. We are ripe for economic growth and energy independence if we responsibly tap the resources that God created right underfoot on American soil. Just as important, we have more desire and ability to protect the environment than any foreign nation from which we purchase energy today.”

          So, Norm…Conservatives do have, and have offered…, many alternatives to the liberal spending spree. YOUR LIBERAL Administration & Congress refuse to listen…because they think they are ALL KNOWING! If I wanted to live in a European, or Third world lifestyle…I would have moved there! I was born in The United States of America! We were all hoping for POSITIVE CHANGE…This President had a Great Opportunity as the first Black President to do remarkable & wonderful things for this Country…He has chosen to be a Power Hungry, Greedy, “Its all about ME”, President. How DARE He apologize for this Country’s Leadership and Strength, or shake hands with SCUM! His behavior is treasonous! Covorting with the enemies of this Country & Democracy!??

          2010 may be the soonest to vote out those who are selling us to China…but we still have a voice and can contact these individuals and let them know the consequences of their actions! I certainly don’t want to learn ‘Mandarin’, and I don’t know many who do. If that is your choice, then you are in the wrong Country, and should consider moving to one of the Countries this President is trying to emmulate!

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          2010 will be a big shift Norm, and its because the people have seen what these guys are doing and what they are up to, and few like it. Notice how even Hillary is distancing herself from him these days. They are going to throw him under the bus to safe themselves, no doubt about it. All they have been telling him to say and do, they will put all on him and place all the blame on him, when he hasnt any ideas of his own, which is quite evident. Read what the telestrater says, and go on. Thats it. Mass shift in 2010 as the repubs sweep, and I just hope when they do, a lot of new faces come in and a lot of the career politicians go out. That is what truly needs to happen, on both sides. These career guys are in bed with special interest groups and have been for some time. They are beholden to them, and not to the people as they should be.

      • Norm

        Sarah Palin is a fine woman, but definately not presidential material.

        I’m against cap and trade personally as well.

        To blame Obama for all the problems in this country is ludicrous. He’s only been in office for 6 months.
        He certainly is not responsible for the sell-out to China. Blame that on our patriotic upper crust, who would sell their souls for a few extra bucks.

        America has a shrinking middle class. We, as a country, are getting poorer. Until we solve this problem, we are doomed. If our wealthy “royalty” don’t have the honor and decency to support their country, then government regulation needs to happen.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          I am the shrinking middle you are referring to, however, those that you and others refer to as the wealthy royalty, are the ones footing the bill for this country, like say 85 percent of it. I want them and their money left alone, that they may invest in business, and hire more people, but when you keep take take taking from them, they move to Mexico and Canada because they get tired of it. I would too. The threat isnt those who have worked hard and become successful, the threat is from those who want to take take take from these guys, and give to those who want nothing more than a hand out so they can sit on their porch and drink their forty and smoke some rock. It is in epidemic proportions right now, and is getting worse, and our very own government keeps contributing to it. They are the crutch for this type of behavior. Now Im all for helping out the less fortunate, but is someone really less fortunate, when they are 20 years younger than my 51, and they are sitting on a porch most everyday, with 6 or 7 of their buddies, drinking beer, and smoking cigarettes , pot and crack. Come on, something is wrong with this picture. Im sorry, but if the government is going to give people a handout because they are “in need”, then they should drug test them, and if they are spending this “aid” money on pot and drugs, they should be cut off and fined to pay back all they have collected so far. Where does it stop? How much to you give them before you see the waste? I support my church and my local rescue mission, that gives these people some hope in the world, but for the government to take my hard earned money and give it to these people so they can drink and drug, yeah, damn right, I got a problem with it, and it is rampant. You dont need to look hard, its all over. Some tell me that there is no reason for them to work, they are getting paid to party, and laugh about it. It is a joke. And its been going on for years, through both parties, only now, like it wasnt bad enough, Obama and his mates want to reward this behavior by giving them more and for a long period of time. Un stinking believable. I dont care what your politics are, this isnt right. Ive never went to college, never came from money, and Ive always been able to get a job, and more importantly, retain it. I have had the misfortune now, of 4 places I worked at closing after anywhere from 3 months to 8 years of working there. Went out the next Monday after the weekend, and beat the bushes and found another job. No unemployement, no welfare, no food stamps, nothing. Im not special. If I can do it, they all can do it. But you see, they dont want to, and when the government is rewarding that kind of behavior, just what is their motivation to go to work? None.

  • Ron

    Al is good enough, smart enough, and dog-gone-it, Minnesota likes him. How can anyone take this guy seriousley. Unfortunately now the Dems rule with supreme power. Much like the Nazi party did in pre-wwII Germany. Like chip said, these guys will eventually screw up and turn semi-rational people against them. It is just a matter of time.

    • Jane

      I hope we don’t reach the “Point of No Return” before America wakes up and smells the coffee!!!

    • Patricia Henson

      You are probably correct on than observation but I’m not sure how much time America has. Obama is passing bills at alarming quick speeds. My fear is if we don’t do something quick that we may not get another oppurtunity.

  • RobM

    All of the ad hominem arguments add nothing to this discourse whatsoever.

  • Paul Bosco

    Your observations about recent stolen elections are rather quaint, given that they do not acknowledge Bush-Gore 2000. Talk to foreigners about that one. It was an American humiliation.

    About Honduras, I am torn. Zelaya reads like bad news, but the region’s history of military coups casts a different light on the matter. The US position is the same as that of the Org of American States, and it does not appear that we had to twist any arms to get agreement. In this case, EVERYONE outside Honduras agrees with Chavez.

    Well, there’s you. And even if you’re wrong, I can’t say you haven’t taken the high ground.

    –Paul J. Bosco
    Manhattan

    • bruce

      Paul,
      Read the article again. The people of Honduras are rising up. Do you choose to believe Chavez? Regardless of what the Honduran Supreme Court says?
      Do you always side with the UN?
      BTW, Paul, the Bush election did go through numerous exams and recounts and Gore never won one of those recounts. You seem to be oblivious to facts.
      The American people who love freedom and distrust government are rising up too. Does it bother you at all that Obama wants to control the Census? Do you wonder why that would be the case? Does it bother you that the Congressional leaders are stealing the current and future treasury of the US with no accountability? Forcing votes on huge spending bills before anyone can read them? And the Democrats vote yes, and go along with the proceedure because they have the numbers in the Congress. None of this bothers you???? You need to examine your own conclusions and why you blindly side with the left?

      • Patricia Henson

        Obama promised transparency in government if elected, I don’t see anything but secrets. Why rush all of these bills through in the middle of the night or at speeds that guarantee that no one can read them? That alone should worry everyone. What about Acorn putting GPS markers in front of everyones homes during the census? What would be the need for that other than to make it easier to round people up? That should scare even the most brave person.

        • Smilee

          Patricia Henson Reply:
          July 17th, 2009 at 12:04 pm

          How can you see the secrets if they are not transparent???????

        • Brian Rawls

          If you purchase a shotgun you can make them scared.

        • Patricia Henson

          Brian, It scares me more that it may come to that. It worries me that good people will get desperate enough to do just that. We need to do everything in our power legally to turn this thing around before another revolution begins in this country.

        • Patricia Henson

          Smiley, I know you are trying to be funny but there is nothing funny about what is going on in this country right now. I hope you and people like you wake up soon and join the fight to make this country as great as it once was. You too are losing your rights as an American citizen including the right to free speech. Without that right you couldn’t post silly remarks on the internet so I hope you start to take some of these things more seriosly.

        • Smilee

          I do take everything going on in this country very very seriously and care very much about it just do not take all these conservative goof balls on this site too seriously as so many of their statements are so ridiculous and they are so full of gloom and doom and not really very serious about helping with solutions to today’s problems in this country. The posts here are mostly the same conservative talking points coupled with expressions of fear, hate and frustration. Kind of like watching a dog chase his tale its so sad. One has to be funny once in a while to deal with this bunch.

        • Patricia Henson

          Smiley reply, I am sure that you are quite sincere when you say you do care about this country and I understand your theory on the humor. Unfortunately what you call the conservatives ramblings are very real. I’d like you to do me a favor and take 1 day to look up everything that we are saying and judge for yourself weather we are real or not but do it with some information under your belt. The government likes it when people stay in the dark and don’t pay attention to what they are doing. The trouble is though is that one day we are going to wake up and all of the freedoms that we have today are going to be gone. You sound like an intelligent person and I think you are up to the challenge.

        • Smilee

          Patricia Henson Reply: July 18th, 2009 at 11:55 am

          Thank you, I take this posting of yours as a serious one and will try to respond in kind. I was a republican all my life for 52 years and very active in that party, in the fall of 86 I was appointed by my local republican state senate district (party position not a public one) to serve on its executive board and fill out the term of someone who resigned, this was an elective office with a two year term and in the next 6 years I was elected and reelected to this board of 18. I watched the far right conservatives take over this republican senate district and I served with them for a total of 7 years and became intimately knowledgeable about them and their beliefs, from this experience I now fully understand what they stand for and what they seek to do, their agenda. I knew personally at that time a very large share of the states republican politicians both state and federal and worked with them, two on my executive board were elected to office one as a state senator and one to a state wide office. Over this seven year period I had a real eye opening experience and behind closed doors and hidden from the public was an agenda quite different that what they gave to the public and having the majority on the board over ride our objections to this. They really do want to take away your freedoms and control everything but do not want the rank and file conservatives to know this. And the support they amassed from the senate district was the most biased and hateful people I have known in my life despite the fact they were very religious and steady church goers. Over this seven year period all who disagreed were either driven out mostly though harassment and other mean methods, I did not run for a fourth term and at this time I was the only member left of the old school so to speak. It was their way or the highway with no love or tolerance for anyone in society that did not go in lockstep to their marching orders. This was in 93 and until that time I had always voted for republicans. I was inactive at this and started voting a split ticket and in 96 for the first time I voted for a democrat for president. In 04 when GWB ran for reelection I joined the Democrat party and got active working in that Party and as I was now retired (in 03) I have at times even worked full time for the party and now know many of the Democrat politicians in the state. Every thing said behind closed door here is exactly what they tell the members and the public. They hate no one and are the most caring and loving people I have ever met and I have had a ball. Until the last seven years I was a republican I kind of just accepted everything and thought I was a republican and always would be and these conservatives really started me doing some deep thinking and soul searching I did a lot of research and study about the real differences in the parties and gained a much better understanding of how the government works and what both parties were attempting to accomplish, studied the constitution in depth and how the courts worked and looked back on my time that I have been called and served on jury duty. Last week I got called again for the fourth time in my life and will be serving for two weeks in august next. I now fully understand why I left the republican party and for years this was painful for me and why am I now a democrat. My biggest concern today is the power lobbies have on both parties but the republican party is the most controlled,and mostly controlled by the big corporations which have gotten so big and powerful that if they are to fail it would probably ruin our economy, to date most still are OK but if they all go the way of those who have already failed we all fail. The bigger the company the bigger their lobby and the greater control they have over our government to the detriment of us all. I just see the democrat party and Obama as the lesser of two evils and will do all I can to help them succeed as I really feel our best chance to turn this around rest with them at this time. It bothers me terribly that so many are so flippant and talk so silly so much of the time and I find that the Rush LImbaughs of this world and his real agenda is to control this county as the people that I served with those seven years worshiped him and I believe their agenda which I became very familiar with is that of Rush’s, but Rush will never tell you that in fact he wants you to believe the opposite. A lot of the people on here fear their government but fail to realize they are their government and it is only the government through the people who have the power to limit the power of the huge corporations who now effectively control the government. It remains to be seen if we will. So as I see if you people make government your enemy you have no friend to help you and we can then be reduced by those corporations, who have amassed this power to the likes of a third world country. I the hate what I see expressed so much on here it will assist in this happening because it lends power to those who want to amass it all. We will if they succeed only have a few who are rich and the rest will live in poverty. I firmly believe the democrats and their members are much more in touch with this reality now than the conservatives who on a daily basis do nothing but trash their government and those that will not join in their agenda. I believe there are many here that in their hearts are and minds are closer to the democrat agenda but they dare not believe it because they will not open their minds and hearts to seeing the others persons point of view. There is more than one point of view but it seems most far right conservatives can only see theirs and that blinds them to reality. Patricia Henson, thank you again for opening the door to me and hopefully you will really listen to my point as well and I hope that you will believe from what I have said that I am very much knowable about what the conservative beliefs in this country today are, I really do know. If the far right conservatives really understood the democrats as well as I understand them we could maybe have real conversation. I’m not holding my breathe though.

        • Patricia Henson

          Smiley reply, I know that you are absolutely serious and as honest as you can be, but there is none of this that is about parties. I think they are both dirty skunks and the whole lot of them need to be thrown out of Washingington and make it about people and country. The Republicans come off as ruff and gruff but in accuality are weak kneeed lilies. The Democrats though are just as dangerous because they come off charming and smile at you as they plunge in the knife. It sounds to me that you are probably about my age and if so I know that you have seen a few things in your lifetime. I’ve never seen so much that scares me as I do now. I don’t think the constitution should be thrown in the trash can to pass the laws that Obama wants passed. I don’t think that my Christian religion should be outlawed to make way for Islam. I don’t think that I should have to work all day to feed someone elses kid while my child does not get enough. I don’t think that the govrnment should be able to tell me what Dr. I get to see or what treatment I’m allowed to have. I don’t think I should have to give up my job so an illegal alien, who has never paid taxes in this country, can have my job. I don’t think that illegal aliens should be drawing social-security so when it’s my turn there is none left to be had, even though I’ve paid for it all of my life. I don’t think that my tax money should be paying for abortions or boob-jobs just because someone wants one,and lastly I don;t think we should be spending ourselves into bancruptcy so that there is no America left. As I hope you see Smiley, I don’t do this out of hate I do it because I love my country and I want it to be here for my children and grandchildren. It’s not perfect but no country is but I think out of all of them this one is the best. Please look up some of thse issues for yourself and don’t take my word for it. these things are happening it’s not a conspiricy plan. I will pray for you as I’m sure you are a nice person. thank you.

        • Smilee

          , Patricia Henson Reply:

          July 19th, 2009 at 10:45 am

          Thanks for your kind response. The country has always had political parties and that’s not going to go away and I believe you have to work within the system to change it and therefore one needs to support one party or another to effect change. There are no other options under our system and not doing so would cause even worse anarchy than we seem to have now. Your religion is not going to be outlawed or replaced by Islam, under our constitution the government cannot favor one religion over the other but they do have all the same rights as Christians do and that has to be fully respected by both religions to insure harmony and the Conservatives are opposed to that and the republicans I worked with see themselves as conservatives who want to do just that and they were getting their marching orders at least at that time from a national source whom I was never trusted by them as to who that was but they did convince me there is this conspiracy to change this country into a theocracy which I believe would turn this country into a country like Iran which has that type of government albeit Islam and not Christian but just as deadly as the law would them force Christianity on all Americans. Therein the freedoms of all non Christian faiths in this country would be denied and from all the hatred I seen in them when behind closed doors is scary. I do not believe the Supreme Court will ever issue an opinion in any case to allow this as precedent and the constitution is totally clear on that issue, so this no longer concerns me but what does concern me is all the grief they cause all of us in their efforts as they still want this kind of government and feel God has directed them to walk all over all of God’s other children who disagree with them. Love thy neighbor and respectfully witness to them at appropriate times and places but none of us were called to be on God’s jury or be his judge or executioner and that is the beauty of the separation of church and state as it protects us from that happening and the founding fathers understood the problems that this can cause. When one religion wants to be in control and gains the power to do that, they then in effect deprive those not in agreement with them of their freedoms to worship as they wish and would then be subjecting them to their will and force them to worship as they dictate thus depriving them of their freedoms. Remember your history and how the Christians in this country where authorized by our government to force their religion on the native Americans and forced then to worship as the Christians dictated, today that is not the case because of the Supreme Court decisions enforcing this first amendment rights now prevents that and the native Americans were treated harshly over this issue not to mention how the government treated them in addition to other mistreatments not related to religion. Original Medicare does not choose your doctor or treatments or limit them and it is a forty four year old government health care program unless you are enrolled in one of the new Medicare advantage plans that the republicans voted in to law in 2003 and was signed by GW Bush, which put you in networks and limit your choices of doctor and coverage’s and even ration care. The private sector HMOs, managed care programs regulated under ERISA and now most insurance companies can and do deny coverage and treatments and ration them but you rarely see this in the press, I can cite you many cases but will only mention one and that was a man whom I worked with was enrolled in his employers HMO and he needed surgery on his foot and they could not schedule him for surgery for five months as they did not have enough surgeons on their staff to cover their patient load and when he request that they pay an out of network doctor to do and they were available to do it now but they refused to pay for that and he had to daily use pain medications and walk on crutches for the entire five month waiting period until they did the surgery which did end the pain and he no longer needed crutches. Try and get around pre existing conditions and get care. What people either to not understand or refuse too believe is the health care today in the private sector except for the Medigap Insurance plans to supplement Medicare Coverage do have waiting times, deny many coverage’s and ration care and have waiting times but they do not want you to know it either and how is the individual suppose to get that message out but it is getting out more and more and that and cost is what is driving health care reforms today. The plan with the greatest choices of doctors today and the least denial of coverage’s and waiting times is original Medicare with a government regulated private sector Medigap insurance plan that is preventing it and doing it at less cost to the individual. So why do you fear the government having more control over our health when right today it operates the best plan out there. They democrats keep telling us they will not reform it that way and the republicans and the conservatives keep saying they are lying. The governments Medicare health care with a forty five hear history with the best outcomes and the private sectors complete failure in this same period of time. It is beyond me why this conservative fear of a government plan when it is crystal clear the private sector on their own will do anything without government intervention to change anything that will decrease their large and easy profits. I believe it is the health care corporate lobbies and the talk show programs of which corporate America controls so many of is creating this false belief and they are bombarding us today in their effort to protect their profits and their almost sole control of your health care. When are people going to understand that the large corporate health care providers and third party payers care nothing about health or even if you suffer and even die under their control and they do control your health care today and you have no say in it, but you can vote for you representatives and know what they are doing unlike of the secrecy that is given the corporations in their offices and board rooms. Remember the tobacco law suit in MN that exposed this type of corporate behavior in those companies and believe me it exists in a lot of corporations to day where they are hiding from us the truth. The tobacco companies got by with lying for over fifty years before they were forced out into the light of day by that lawsuit and we then became aware of how corporations lie to the public. Despite all these facts conservatives still don’t get because of their hatred and biases. I have come to believe you are not filled with hate but many on here are. I do not believe the constitution is being trashed either although you hear that being said often and those saying it can rarely cite what is being done that actually trashes it and is more about what these people want to see changed and many times the constitution does not allow for that and they want it to, so do not get what they want and then conclude it is being trashed. I agree with you this is the best country but we have made many mistakes and one on them is how out health care is handled and although most other countries do not have a perfect plan they have demonstrated they can do better than us, both in cost and outcomes and we need to come to grips with this and quit distorting the facts about it as it gets in the way of doing that and that to me is sad because we all suffer because of it. Why is it that looking at how other countries provide their health so scary to Conservatives when in most cases they do it at half the cost and weather you pay for it by taxes or premiums half the cost is to me a plan I want to understand before trashing it and really looking at the facts and to this to me is closed mind as nothing beats success and that lesser costs should really interest conservatives as it suggests it is fitting to what they call themselves. Have a good day!

        • Patricia Henson

          Dear Smiley,Thank you for your reply and your concerns. I don’t pretend to have all of the answeres as I’m not sure anyone does other than God. But I will tell you a little more of what I do know. Political parties are always going to be around. that much is true but it doesn’t have to be these political parties as I think they’ve both become corrupt. Both parties have let the people down and no longer work for the people but the lobbiests is who they are listening to and not the people who according to the constitution IS the government. As far as religion goes, people have been working for decades to eradicate it.. They have taken prayer out of school, the 10 commandments out of public buildings, and even little nativity scenes off the public square. Can you tell me what those things really hurt? Military Chaplins have recieved orders not to pray in the name of Jesus Christ at the risk of court marshall. One chaplin did and was promptly court marshalled and thrown out of the military. But by the same token the muslim soldiersget time out during the day to pray to Allah and are allowed to speak his name aloud at all times without fear of courtmarshall. This country was founded on Judeo-Christian princibles and it makes me sick that the name of Jesus Christ has been turned into a dirty word. I beleive that everyone has the right to worship the way they please unless they take my right to worship my God the way I need to, then I have a problem.Your concerns about the Indians are valid. The way that was handled was barbaric but we can’t change anything now, all we can do now is not make the same mistakes. All I can say for now though is that laws were made and the constitution was instituted and it’s been working good for over 200 years. You think that the constitution can’t be destroyed but it can. Sonia Sotomayar will get a seat on the bench of the supreme court. She is one of Obamas picks and I beleive one of the pawns using the supreme court rulings as a way to turn over the constitution. There are several things I have learned about her and wrote about on another blog for heritage foundation in an article that they wrote about her. You can check it out in that article about sotomayar if you want to. You are right when you say healthcare in this country leaves alot to be desired. It’s not perfect but it is better than anything that any other country has right now. The governments of the countries that have government run healthcare are telling us not to do it. The patients are being undertreated or not treated at all. I beleive that Obamas plan is a little more evious than that though. I beleive that older patients are going to be left to die as most older Americans are Christians. I beleive that the people deemed useful to the government that get treated will still wait months to get the treatment that they need. Have you ever had to use a government clinic for healthcare? I have, the wait is up to 17 hours and then there is still no guarentee that you will be seen. Then there are so many medicines that you can’t have due to expence. If the government really wanted to do something for healthcare they could regulate price of pharmaceuticals or rising costs of Drs. visits. I don’t want government telling me what Dr. I can see or what procedure I can have, or what medicine I can take. Please do some research on this yourself as I’m really not pulling your leg or preaching from a place of hate. I just want my grandchildren to have the same rights and opportunities that I had. They are being taken away whether people beleive us or not. There has never been a political bone in my body until now and now I’m afaid for my children and grandchildren and have been doing alot of studying. Please do some heavy duty checking for yourself. Thank you Smiley, I hope I have helped answere some of your questions.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Nice post Bruce. But it seems when you post the truth like this, the left just gets infuriated by it, and they never seem to bring fact, just opinions, and things they read in some left wing liberal pacifist appeasing news paper, written by a career democrat with an ax to grind. I guess that when the truth is not in them, they dont want to be bothered with it. Its much easier for them to just do nothing, bring no solutions or direction, but just sit there and point the finger and blame someone else for everything and anything. I myself, couldnt live like that. I seek the truth, and choose to get educated and find it, whether I like the result or not, the truth is the truth, and it will set you free. The left is so far from it, that it really is scary these days.

        • Norm

          mark
          Beauty and truth are in the eye of the beholder. I think you need new glasses.

        • Ray McDougal

          Mark, please re-read what Bruce wrote. He speaks from his personal life experience and has been open-minded enough to make a change when change is necessary. When you allow your projections of what “left wing pacifists” think or do, you cancel out the value of what you’re hearing, you miss the point. Government is what we make it. You make it a hateful football game– or war — that paints the other side as devils incarnate. Good and evil exists in every human being, and each human being has their own proportions, depending upon experiences and choices.

          When we allow demogogues and corporate lobbies to control our government, we lose our democracy. The wealthy will continue to destroy or avoid regulations that protect regular citizens for their own benefit, as we have seen in the recent banking crisis. The wealthy oppose legislation to to protect us from the stranglehold of insurance companies who can cancel our policies when it suits them, and oppose legislation that makes drug companies make a reasonable profit from their products. The wealthy will encourage and perpetuate wars that kills our citizens and destroys families so they can sell their weapons and war materials at exobitant prices, and even cheat the government with their billing processes and manipulations.

          It is hate and fear that gives power to the groups who would control us through our government, did you hear that from Bruce? Did you hear him say that both parties are problematic, but there is one group that is trying to do a little better for “WE, the people”?

          Hatred is not a family value, and I heard Bruce say there is one party that is more motivated by hate than another. Money and power is a destroyer, and it has done terrible things for our country, since it is more powerful in some people than compassion and decency. We should actively seek out leaders who will show compassion and decency for every person. It is sad for this world that compassion and decency can be seen as a weakness, for those are the very values that real Christians understand and desire for themselves and others.

          If the wealthy do take over, there will be an eventual backlash. It may take time for the people to revolt, but what happened in the Russian Revolution could happen here — few people want Communism. Hunger and anger take a heavy toll; when there’s nothing left to lose, people strike back at their oppressors. We need cooperation between left and right, honest, thoughtful and dialogue and leaders who work for the all the people, not just for the people who have bought and paid for them.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          But Ray, all those scary things you post, describe the democratic party of today, and thats why I have no use for them. They are the rich guys, pretend to be the poor guys, and they lie and deceive with the biggest propaganda machine ever made, called ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC. No, I know the truth when I see and hear it, and it doesnt come from the left. Everything is agenda based with them. Right Al Gore, and global warming. Been much cooler everywhere this year. Hmm. Ice caps are growing not shrinking and melting as he stated. Hmm. Planet is actually cooling, not getting hotter. Hmm. Agenda being, Al would have made billions. The left lies, and I dont trust them, end of story. Maybe some day again, but not now. I dont agree with killing babies, with removing God, with putting gays on a pedestal, and giving more rights to minorities than others get. That is prejudice. I though we were all created equal? Give everyone equal rights, not just a select few minorities and gays. The left is confused.

  • Turnip

    I also, am wondering why I’m on this mailing list. I agree with almost all of the principles of what I’ve read so far, but with all of the party slant, you lose me. The idea that there is a right and a left, or a Dem or an Rep, and that is how we resolve and improve our failing system, is false. They are two sides of the same coin, and there isn’t a dimes worth of difference. It’s a waste of time, and a distraction. Only from a united, non-partisan perspective can you hope to make progress. Issues and ideas must stand alone on their merit. Unplug from the two party system hoax. It’s has become an illusion of choice, which may give the powerless comfort in thinking that they in some small way had input or control, but that choice effectively changes nothing. The R&D crowd have been fighting over the same 4 or 5 things for over 50 years, and there is no consensus. Really, what progress! End the divide, embrace the opponents of your opponent, and find the common ground. Freedom and Liberty will need all parties.

    • Bob

      I totally agree BOTH sides are corrupt and only want power for themselve and there own little agendas, at the expence of OUR freedom,prosperity,I f it takes SCrewing the people to get it (so be it) who are they anyway Why do you think BOTH sides want to legalise 20 million illegal aliens who are use to living under a simi dictatorship.so they can vote
      40 acres and a mule just vote for me

    • Lynne

      I am so happy to finally hear someone say that the two-party system doesn’t work.

      I swear that D&R’s are more interested in following everything the PARTY says than using their own common sense.

      I also see that to prove points, they often forget what the real historical events were.

      I also think that we need to vote them all out and start over.

      • Gerald Marquardt

        The two best posts so far

      • AkCoyote

        I refuse to vote for ANY incumbent until the system changes.

      • Rita

        Great comment! We came close to that when Obama got elected… a big change from the past. Let’s see what he can do.

  • Jim

    To slander Franken the way you do reveals so much about you. If it weren’t that your kind do occasionally get power and do the kind of damage we’ve seen under the Bush administration, I would pity you, as it is I fear you. I am so glad the American people were smart enough to throw the bums out.

    Franken will become one of the best Senators we’ve had in a long time. A counter to bigots like Jeff Sessions

    • Smilee

      Jim on July 17th, 2009 at 11:40 am:

      Jim

      They were saying the same things and laughing at Wellstone when he first was elected and then then after 12 years he became one of the most respected senators amongst his colleagues in the senate including Jessie Helms and also by the people of MN, actually I think he was thought of as even a bigger joke when he first was elected. I have heard it said Franken may be able to do the same once he is no longer identified with his past and seen for what he really is.

      • bruce

        Seen for what he is? An idiot, socialist? What did you mean? This is what you consider a leader?

        • DaveH

          Bruce,
          Don’t bother debating with Smilee, he is either already a recipient of the redistribution of wealth, or hopes he will be. When people are greedy for OPM (other people’s money) there is nothing you can say to change their mind.

    • AkCoyote

      And what’s the punch line? That was a joke, right?

      • Jim

        The joke is that the right will say these sort of things about a man who is obviously dedicated (giving up millions of dollars as an entertainer to serve the people of MN), smart and capable and will support racist buffoons like Limbaugh, Hannity and the grandstanding bigots like Sessions who waste our time and money at a hearing where they are clearly out of touch with what’s going on just to insure that the real idiots who vote for peopple like him will continue. Listen to what Franken said and compare it towhat Sessions said. Then tell me who the joke is.

        • Teri

          ROFLMAO!
          Are you kidding me? An entertainer? If Franken is what you Liberals consider an entertainer…America is in more trouble than I ever imagined. He hasn’t worked for how long? What Millions is he sacraficing? Get a life!

    • Rita

      Jim, you got it right. Well said.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Dude, seriously. When the crack pipe comes around, just say no. Al Franken, are you serious. Have you ever listened to him talk. The guy is a twisted angry man. Maybe some good fishing up there will do him good, because eh, you guys do got some dynamite fishing happening up there. I give credit where credit is due. Good fishing, bad political sense.

  • Ron

    Bosco,
    How can you say that Bush stole the election in 2000 when Bush was declared the winner? Even Gore new that he had lost and gave his consession speach. Only later when pressured by the left wing-nuts did Gore decide to give stealing the election a shot. (Why not, it was worth a try, right?) In the end it was even the liberal Judges who ruled against Gore ruling to up-hold the original election results. Yes, that was an humilitaion for our country, and especially for Al Gore and the Libs.

    • dan irwin

      Hey,
      we did steel that election. We stole the one’s in 98′, 02′, 04′, 06′, & we did a pretty good job last year, too, (altered some results, proud of ourselves, but prop 8 in California might have backfired on us) even when we were being watched. Besides there aren’t any real laws protecting or enforcing voting fraud, so find the crime! We are simply patriot pawns trying to do our part to get power out of the hands of common illiterate men… and women how’d we ever let them vote, what were we thinking. Second class citizens, all of em.

    • Rita

      Bush was chosen the “winner” by the conservative Supreme Court in a rushed decision not to finish counting votes.

      But if it weren’t for the massive failure of bush’s eight years, we would not have the backlash elections that may bring us closer to a real democracy, although to recover from his disastrous policies that have bankrupted us, that will take some smart and decisive actions.

      Obama will do his best, but it will take some hard work and cooperation to bring our country back to what it was before bush & co. They have made their fortunes, but they still won’t quit until everyone is poverty stricken but them.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Yeah, like the millions of military votes, that didnt get counted, that obviously would have gone to Bush. Bush did wonderful things for this country, are you kidding me. Employment was at an all time high. Unemployment at an all time low, and everything was going good until the last year and a half, when the fear of democrats winning put the fear in business, and they backed off investing, instead saving that money to pay the democrat tax monsters if they won. Fears confirmed. Now millions have lost their jobs, unemployment at an all time high, and these guys solution is to give GM and the UAW billions of dollars for showing they dont know how to properly run a business. Funny how Ford didnt need their money. Honda and Toyota didnt need their money. Wonder why? I think the dems should just tax the hell out of Ford, Honda and Toyota and punish them for being successful and doing business right. Yeah, sadly, thats whats been going on. But no, your saying Bush failed is an out and out lie, and he will go down as one of the greatest presidents ever, for warding off an enemy that Bill Clinton let keep punching us in the nose, and for freeing millions of people and helping forge a democracy where most said it couldnt be done. Of course, the dems want to get out as fast as possible to try to cause it to collapse, just to make themselves look good and point the finger again, but you know, history has a way of revealing things, and as time passes, just like the more and more dirt coming out about how rotten Bill Clinton was, it will come to be know what a great job George Bush did in 8 years. If you dont like it, move to Iran where they think like you do. That should tell you something.

  • Dark1rep

    Not sure why so many people have wasted so much time on this issue OR this article. Seems to me it would have made much more sense to have had a run-off election as many other states do when elections are so close. Of course, I am sure all the Dem.s would oppose this idea since Coleman would have certainly won such a run-off. But hey, who could ever say a Democrat was opposed to democracy?

  • Wally

    Gee, who’s radio show has lasted the longest? I’m sorry, what radio show Al??????

    • Norm

      Just goes to show you the intellegence of a “DittoHead”. Yes master Rush.
      The truth is that I listen to Rush quite often. He’s a good enternainer.

      • Wally

        And this is why Stewert Smolies radio show lasted but moments! Nobody lisened, not even the libs.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        You spelled entertainer wrong, but thats ok. I was just hoping that if you listen to Rush long enough, maybe, just maybe, some truth would rub off on you. Or are you afraid of it? Try it once, youll like it.

        • Norm

          Mark
          Rush and truth in the same sentence is an oxymoron.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          To Norm. Sorry, thats your opinion. Ive never caught him in a lie, like your lefty buddies Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Tom Daschle, Barbara Boxer, Barney Frank and pretty much the rest of the lying lefties. You choose to believe them, not me.

      • Average Joe

        Although I am registered as a republican, I cannot in all fairness…tow the party line. I vote on the moral character of someone by looking at what they have done in the past.Most of the pople in DC couldn’t get my vote…. dem or repub, because they are not worthy.The republicans have lost thier true roots (small government,personal liberties the Constitution.. etc.) and the Democrats want to tax and spend til there is nothing left and then just print more money into existence as if this won’t hurt the economy further. We all need to stop this partyline BS….most of these idiots in office couldn’t get a real job, if not for thier politcal ties made while in office couldn’t get a job upon leaving office (and that is from both parties). Actual intelligence requires us to look at each candidate on a individual basis and determine whether or not they hold our individual values, what party they are affiliated with has no bearing nor should it. Most republicans and democrats in office have walked on the constitution and the rule law from the moment they were “elected?”(please watch the award winning HBO documentary “Hacking Democracy” for more on the question mark).I’ll stick to listening to people like Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Peter Schiff….people that actually have a clue about where this path we are on is taking us as a nation…..it isn’t a pretty picture being painted.Rush?Fox news?….the lamestream media?….no thanx….I’ll do my own research and make my own decisions…. TYVM.

  • Mike Bravo

    How and why would ACORN get 5 billion dollars? How much kicks back to Obama? And having the census under the white house would be a conflict of interest. There is no benefit unless you are trying to rig something. He reminds me of a dictator and hasn’t done anything worthwhile yet.

    • bruce

      Mike,

      Check it out. The federal spending bill most recently passed does provide money for Acorn. Also, yes, check with your congressman, everyone, and let them know that you are opposed to the US Census falling under the oversight of the White House. THIS WOULD BE FOR ESTABLISHING NEW FIGURES FOR USE IN DRAWING CONGRESSIONAL DISTICTING LINES. THEY WILL BECOME UNDEFEATABLE IN ELECTIONS. Oh, no! say the Democrats, it’s for a good utopian reason that Obama will tell us later!
      PLEASE TELL PEOPLE YOU KNOW TO WAKE UP TO THIS POWER GRAB OF ELECTIONS, THE TREASURY OF THE US, AND PRIVATE BANKS, AUTO MAKERS AND MEDICAL CARE (1/6 of our economy). We must fight to keep our freedoms.

      I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it.
      Thomas Jefferson

      • Teri

        Just another “Left-Wing” Power grab! They have such a remarkable way of putting things to ease our concerns. I, for one, am SICK and tired of the POLITICAL raping and pilaging being done by the Democrats! The ‘sneaking in through the backdoor’ kind of mentality! Let Americans READ and debate these LIFE-ALTERING changes to our Country! What is the harm in that? If you liberal Democrats REALLY want to do what is best for this Country…then why must you push everything through the House & Sentate without the possibility of scrutiny? I’ll tell you why. It is because of GREED! I still have not seen ONE liberal give up any comforts to help GLOBAL WARMING! Yet they expect us to! You foolish, ignorant, people! You are going to be paying the same exhorbatant Electric and Gas bills as the rest of us…Your food prices are going to go higher too…! Many of you own small businesses which are going to be forced out of business because of CAP & TRADE. It is vicious circle. If business fails…people get laid off…homes can’t be paid for…the price of homes come down due to forclosure and vacancy…the Country goes into bankruptcy…WE NOW SPEAK MANDARIN CHINESE!
        Is it really smarter to save a fish in Nancy Pelosi’s District (which is serving no purpose because of it’s location), than it is to send water to the farmers who produce 60% of this Country’ s Food? What are you thinking? Use some common Sense! This has nothing to do with POLITICS…It has to do with what is best for this Country & the survival of MANKIND…which to me, is of far greater importance, than a Fish!

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        The democrats are a bunch of crooked rich bastards, and that is all they are. I cant believe you so called poor people vote for these rich white bastards. Yeah, I know Obama is half black, but they threw him in this time to make themselves look better to you. Besides, to them, he is half white. But they are the rich guys, and I cant believe you dont know it.

  • Joy

    Minnesota gave us Jesse (who stated recently on a news program the Rosie O’s conspiracy theory about the World Trade Center) now Al…Ugh!!…. I don’t see how Minnesota can be taken seriously. Wake up Minnesota! Shame on you. I am starting to agree with the liberals on one point only ….it may be time to leave…problem…where? I don’t think the rule of law or the constitution means squat anymore.
    Oh yea did I tell I lost my job yesterday after 14 years with the same company that probably won’t survive. I’m serious. I don’t believe it’s George Bush’s fault either. I do believe many more Americans are going to lose their jobs as well. Oh, boy there are consequences for elections and the idiots are running things now…like Al. It bites! Hope it’s not too late to really make “Change” that will save our country in 2012. I think these people will be most disliked in a very short amount of time. You can only blame the past people for so long and spin the bad news for so long. I think the day of reckoning is coming and Americans will rise up maybe if they are not totally bought off and despondent. I think politicians all are gutless wonders. Shame on Obama for not standing up for the rule of law in Honduras, but then again what did you really expect him to stand up for that? He is our worst nightmare but he is smooth. Mostly he’s just a Saul Alinsky Baby and a lawyer to boot. Obama’s ethnic origin doesn’t matter to me and I am sure he believes in what he doing. What matters is how he does the job and right now he is blowing it big time. It is what is. We shall see.

  • Buckeye8

    Newsmax just doesn’t get it. After 8 years of not only stolen elections but CORRUPTION AND POLICIES OF THE BUSH ADM> even an ex-clown can beat what you call the best republican. The latest polls show that only 22% of the voters now claim to be republicans.

  • Juli

    Im from Mn, and the fix was in. Starting election night when Stuart Smally lost by 700plus votes. Then liek magic he won by just as many. Article is SPOT ON.

  • Sofia

    As always the left cannot compete in the free market place of ideas so their only option is politics of personal destruction – truth, facts, ethics, morals, — such never works for them. As for those who continue to follow blindly — sadly, “A government of sheep will soon beget a government of wolves.”

    “DO NOT KEEP SILENT when your own ideas and values are being attacked. …If a dictatorship ever comes to this country, it will be by the default of those who keep silent. We are still free enough to speak. Do we have time? No one can tell.”
    — Ayn Rand, Philosophy: Who Needs It

    • dan irwin

      that’s what happened in Germany in 36′

      • Jim

        Fortunately when we were faced with a government that ignored the constitution, like in Germany in 1936, we stood up to the potential dictators and stopped them, but not before they started a war on false pretenses unfortunately, but before they were able to take over the whole country. The paralells with Nazism are not with Obama, but with Bush. It’s just fortunate that we did not let that happen, that Americans weren’t as sheepish as Germans. We now have an honestly elected, intelligent and moral man in the White House. Good Thing

        • Teri

          First of all….For you to compare Bush to Hitler is about as ignorant as anything I have ever heard from a Democrat…and you all say alot of stupid things, and make alot of unfounded and ridiculous accusations!

          Second…It is Obama…not Bush…who is making friends with the Countries that would DESTROY our best Allies in the Middle East…Israel. Who is shaking hands with, and siding with the Dictators who would destroy the Democracy in Honduras!

          Third…It is again, the Democrats…NOT REPUBLICANS…who keep changing the Constitution of the United States, to accomodate their liberal, socialist, and immoral way of living.

          AGAIN…If you are so unhappy with this Countries Majority held belief, that GOD has deemed this to be a “choice land”, above all others: That through our faith and respect of his teachings we have prospered for the past 230+ years: That we are a Christian/Judeo Society, and need not apologize for our success to those who would destroy us for our BELIEFS…etc., Then you need to find a socialist Country that does believe the way you and Obama believe…and STOP TRYING TO CHANGE THIS ONE!

        • Jim

          I don’t know what majority Teri is talking about. The republicans are losing the vote handily these days. I would also like to hear what is ridiculopus about my accusations. Bush DID start a war on false pretenses. They DID spy illegally on Americans. They DID lie to us repeatedly. These things have been proven.

          I am not trying th change this government, I’m trying to keep the spirit of the founding fathers (Have you ever read Jefferson, or Madison?) and to save it from religious bigots who would change this country into a theocracy. If you see something immoral in a government that wants health care for all and wresting the control of our society from the money changers, then perhaps you should go to find a country, like Iran that promotes that kind of thing. However, I believe this country is great enough to accommodate even you, who obviously hates the American way of life (free expression and right to express religious beliefs other than Christian). So I don’t want you to leave us. But I don’t want you in power either. If my ideas are in power, you will not be persecuted. When you’re people are in power, my people ARE persecuted.

    • dan irwin

      whats it doing now?

      • Brian Rawls

        stock piling ammo

        • Jim

          So you condone the viloent overthrow of the US government? Interesting version of patriotism!!

        • Brian Rawls

          The elected political heads are corrupt. Im not a socialist Jim, so yes I believe they should be thrown out by force if need be. I understand that this society does not have the guts to act. But you dont have to be a chicken all your life Jim. It speaks of overthrowing government in the constitution Jim. So dont question my patriotism. If you just think of the constitution as just writings your patriotism is in question.

    • Smilee

      Brian Rawls Reply:
      July 17th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

      Careful so you do not shoot yourself in the foot

      • Brian Rawls

        Dont you worry. 45 caliber look alike air-soft pistol and assault rifle just stings when you shoot yourself by mistake. I have some safety goggles.

  • Claude Kamps

    E good politicien now how to loose with a chance to regain next election. By the way, did you mean the US was in better sheep with Cheney ? or the miss from the north?

    • Brian Rawls

      Somtimes you just have to let the badger loose.

      • dan irwin

        yea, the only real American’s are the one’s who’ve died for his country!

        • Brian Rawls

          ?

        • Brian Rawls

          Dan dont take things so personal. You are going to have high blood pressure if you are not careful.

  • Buckeye8

    I am so happy that someone brought up 911. I guess we all remember that Bush kept reading his goat story to the kindergarden class because he knew howmany planes was supposed to hit and he waited until he knew something had went wrong and the other planes did not hit. What about Rudy’s speech when he said the Pentagon had been hit and it had not happened yet. What part did he play.

    • Brian Rawls

      Omg u r crazy

      • Rodin

        See Brian – it’s not only the ideological conservatives that are completely wacked out… You got company!!!! :)

        • Brian Rawls

          Rodin you are to me—-what the joker is to batman——you complete me.

    • American Citizen

      I see you are one who buys into all the leftist garbage about 9/11.

      • trut

        Like that lefty Alex Jones?

  • American Citizen

    We can’t wait until 2012 to start getting things changed. We have an election coming up next year. Find out how your representatives and senators vote. Keep the good ones and throw out the bad ones. I am so pleased to have Mike Pence as our Rep. He’s one of the good guys. So is Senator Lugar.

    • bill

      I agree that Pence is great, but take another look at Lugar. He is nothing but a two-faced back-stabbing RINO!!

    • Norm

      american citizen
      How about Mark Sanford and Tom Delay. Now that’s winning ticket.

      • Teri

        Sanford may have “screwed” up his personal life…and perhaps his political life, but hands down…he has done more to help South Carolina than Pelosi, Boxer, & Feinstein have done for California. They are the ones mostly responsible for the pending Bankruptsy of that once GREAT state! You wait and see… Al Franken will destroy Minnesota, too! That’ s what Liberals do…Seek and Destroy!

        • Norm

          Mark’s a hipocrate. Refusing federal money for the unemployed is very noble, unless your unemployed.
          The state of South Carolina is one of those welfare states to begin with. More tax payer dollars come to SC than SC dollars go to Washington. I believe its about $1.35 for every $1.00.

  • One Voice

    As a civilized nation, we must respect the institution of the presidency. When you blog so negatively about our president who is no longer a person but an institution, you are invariably insulting all Americans, because you are insulting our institution. Right or wrong, Obama won. If you do not like him or his policies, express your feelings in 4 years in the ballot box. However, in no way should we degrade our collective institution. Internet is a world wide web, and your freedom to express your opinion should not degenerate to telling the whole world that Americans are not as civilized as we portray ourselves, especially when things do not go our way. Support our president (The Institution) and tell him what you think of him and his policies in 4 years. God Bless America!!

    • Smilee

      AMEN

      Thanks One Voice

    • Jeanine Lane

      If he has his way, we will never have a free or fair election. ACORN bought him enough votes to win. Now he is giving control of the census to ACORN along with billions of our dollars to assre they will buy him another election before he takes over as dictator.

    • bruce

      Horsesh*t! You apparently know less of American history than Smiley and the rest of the Dems on here! By the way, I’m sure you showed respect and never spoke negatively about Bush? Read above, moron, at the hatred and obsession Dems still have about Bush/Cheney. Are you kidding?

      The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
      Thomas Jefferson

    • AkCoyote

      Nice advice. Too bad the left didn’t adhere to it when it came to GWBush.

      • Jim

        It’s not good advice. Speaking one’s mind is what America is and always has been about.

    • Teri

      In Four years it will be too late. With everything he is trying to force through the House and Senate this year, the damage will be done…and impossible to recover from!
      Ordinarily I would agree with the honorable position of the President, however, as far as I, and alot of other Americans are concerned, He lost the right to respect when he started covorting with our foreign enemies…shaking hands with Dictators…and apologizing for our GREATNESS.

  • Citizen Tom

    Regarding the two party sysetm hoax. In Israel, for example, there are many parties, and coalitions of parties are needed in order to get things done. I think that this is the best bet towards issues being decided upon the merit of the idea or principle being realized. I also like the idea that it takes a coalition of parties to elect the President or prime minister there. I would encourage people to move towards the many party idea, and give up on thinking that total dominance of the government by one single party is the only way that any party can get anything done.

  • Buckeye8

    To American Citizen with 22% of the voters now claiming to be republicans let me know how you expect to win. Indiana is now one of the few states whose people are still in the dark.

    • Robin, Arcadia, IN

      I am from Indiana. What do you mean we are ‘still in the dark’? I feel we have good midwestern values, morals, and common sense. Are you attacking those virtues?

    • bill

      Buckeye, just remember if you are old enough, in ’83 it was even lower than that. Guess what happened the following year? Ronnie won by one of the biggest landslides in the history of the republic. So much for public opinion polls.

    • Teri

      Get your facts straight! I still say you are an incredibly STUPID liberal idiot!

  • JCS in MN

    Al won because he had the most votes. Funny how that works in a democracy.

    • Wally

      But he didn”t until they recounted and recounted and recounted until two plus two equaled six.

      • Teri

        LOL…So True! No intelligent THINKING Minnosotan would vote for such a repulsive, arrogant idiot…so it had to be FRAUD.

        • Teri

          OOPs…Minnesotan…Sorry

  • Santa Barbara Ted

    Saying Franken won without ACCORN fraud is like saying illegal aliens don’t vote in CA!

    • Smilee

      Santa Barbara Ted

      ACCORN had no effect on this election what so ever, the courts could find no fraud in the process what so ever, no election in the country last year was scrutinized as thoroughly as this one Its funny how many on this blog shoot from the hip with all these off the cuff statements that bear no resemblance to the truth.

      • Teri

        You are a LIBERAL Fool!

        • Smilee

          Far Far Better that being a conservative fool, we at least can think for ourselves and use our brains for positive and constructive things and can recognize the truth when we see

        • Jim

          Very thoughtful and intelligent response!

      • LARRY

        check the state of nevada ..there are accorn members under federal charges for fraud ..

        • Smilee

          They are being investigated there I know and this is the only state, the rest in a number of other states are former employees of ACCORN that where fired and some of them are being charged in a number of states but in MN neither is, but ACCORN itself is only being investigated in Nevada and the outcome in that is yet to be determined.

        • Teri

          SMILEE AND JIM are in liberal denial! There are actually 14 states where ACCORN is currently under endictment for VOTER FRAUD. Even the “ACCORN 8″ (who sat on various ACCORN boards) are questioning the validity and honesty of this organization. It is only 1 of 240 organizations tied together in corruption; being run and/or started by extreme Left-Wing WEALTHY liberals like George SOROS…and don’t forget…our Presidents friends…the domestic terrorists…Bill Ayers’ wife. The FBI and Congress however, won’t be able to do their jobs investigating because the “POWERS that BE” are stopping any probes into the illegal practices and mis-management! So clearly the CORRUPTION goes all the way to the TOP, and TRICKLES all the way down…including Rosie O’Donnell, Barbra Striesand (Who I used to love!) Oprah, GE’s CEO Jeff Immult! The ACLU is one of Soro’s biggest and most destructive organizations.

  • Rod

    America is getting pissed. I have no clue whats coming, but it smells of devistation. Repulican’s and Dem’s alike are starting a chain reaction that could very well doom us all. I feel sometime real soon the people stand up and be accounted for. That is really the only thing that can save us now.

    • Brian Rawls

      Lets just all calm down. Everyone here must relax. You are all going to get health problems from all of this. Blood pressure will rise out of control. More food ingrediants will get banned because our new health care will not see you economiclly viable to treat. So stop all the nonsense.

    • Rodin

      That’s why we call them ELECTIONS – Next one is in 2012 – Go on let your voices be heard!!! And if you really don’t like the choices then get another Ross Perot.

      • Brian Rawls

        You are not the number one instigator here rodin.

  • Jon

    And while we all debate meaningless topics, what really matters continues unabated, huge multi-trillion dollar deficit spending, $14 trillion in national debt and growing, over $60 trillion in unfunded liabilities for already legislated promises for medicare, medicaid, social security, welfare, unemployment, and other public benefits, and a healthcare system that continues its uncontrolled cost spiral.

    No matter what party you belong to, no matter if you are a liberal or conservative, no matter who you voted for, if this nation does not stop deficit spending, pay down the national debt and fund our unfunded liability for medicare, social security and all the other promised benefits, it will not matter if the left or right controls the country, the USA will cease to exist in the form that we know it.

    Wake up America – stop arguing over left or right policies. Good accounting and budgetary practices have nothing to do with left or right politics. Both parties are equally guilty of bad budgetary policies.

    As a country, we have a choice to either fix it or not. I suspect we will not fix it because most people would rather debate senseless issues and call each “liberal” or “right wing nut” than do something sensible like work together constructively to bring good budgetary practices to Washington, DC.

    Of course, the price for not fixing it will be economic disaster in some form and the party in power at the time will be blamed by the other party and the game of name calling and senseless debate over stupid issues will continue while the country and everyone in it suffers.

    Wake up, America.

    • bruce

      Jon,

      Here! Here! So true. An economic disaster is being shoved down our throats THIS YEAR, but the same folks that put these people in office either dont care, due to envy and class warfare that has been drilled into their heads since they were kids, or they truly believe that socialism will be better than capitalism. Unfortunately, they are too uneducated (government controlled schools) to realize that socialism has never worked anywhere in the world and has never improved any nations standard of living.

      • Smilee

        bruce Reply: July 17th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

        No Bruce that was last year, this year we are trying to figure out a way to fix that and that is difficult and risky, you say “so true” and then go to do everying that Jon said we should not do IN PART:

        Wake up America – stop arguing over left or right policies. Good accounting and budgetary practices have nothing to do with left or right politics. Both parties are equally guilty of bad budgetary policies. You do not belive what Jon said is true so quit trying to kid us you are.

    • Teri

      Jon~

      You are so right! I have even fallen into the left wing liberal trap of debating over insignificant issues such as AL FRANKEN!

      The focus should be on what they are currently doing to destroy this Country…and what better way to do that, than by compromising our safety; by decreasing funding for our Military and anti-missle protection: Putting us into such debt, that our grandchildren won’t even be able to recover from: Weakening our Economy further by implementing a CAP & TRADE bill, which has innitiatives that will destroy small to medium businesses ( which are the backbone of this Nation) by penalizing and taxing them to death! Creating a Socialized National Health Care system which will destroy further PRIVATE Enterprise! I want to believe that our President wants what is best for us…that he truly believes what he is doing is right! But, then I remember what he has done so far concerning GROWING GOVERNMENT; Foreign Affairs…Globally Apologizing for our GREATNESS; and I realize that he is just another GREEDY: Self-Absorbed; Arrogant Liberal…HELL BENT on his own SELFISH agenda.

  • http://donthaveone Mark

    Who happens to have twice the knowledge, twice the common sense, and twice the personality of Barrack Obama and Joe Biden put together. Not to mention also, twice the truth.

    • Smilee

      Not sure anyone does but I’m totally convinced that its not you

  • Keith H.

    I think we have to understand how the system of goverment works, in order to accurately judge it. First of all, we have to understand that when ever there’s money and power involved there’s going to be corruption. It doesn’t matter whether it’s the democrats and Acorn, or the republicans stealing the 2000 elections, or the stolen elections in Iran. Each party has their own way of doing it. Obama is part of it.
    The system is not set up so that one person can change it. Their are too many bollionares that have control over our economy. Like Henry Kissenger said once, “who ever controls the money, controls the world”
    If Obama has to ask for money from congress to complete something, he doesn’t control it. Who ever the elite wants elected ,they will give then more donated money so they can win, or they will tamper with the votes.
    This is bigger than Obama, they just put a black face on the new world order. I will never support a corrupt system that allows the rich to have so much money, that they can opress,kill and take away our liberties and justice.

    • Valverde

      Although it seems to be right not to let someone have so much money that they can control our government, this is actually two different problems. The moment we say we should be able to limit or take away ones possessions (or money), we have constructed a worse problem for ourselves. The problem is not whether someone has a lot of money or possessions, but how someone has gotten them and how someone uses them. How then do we punish someone who has gotten lots of money or possessions by immoral means? First we need to be able to ascertain whether one used immoral means to acquire what they have and whether they used immoral means with it. Then, we should severely punish them. As far as I am concerned these people are no better than a criminal in organized crime. There is nothing wrong, in itself, in having a large sum of money, or numerous possessions. The wrong comes afterward and should be punished and we should have laws that are very strict and, what some might even call, onerous, to prevent the use of such wealth to injure or deceive others.
      I realize that such laws would apply to most members of our political system, and that is just the point. These people should be made to feel double the weight of justice, for they have a great responsibility. Likewise, those who have large sums of money and possessions, have a great responsibility, and so should be punished severely when they use it unjustly. One with great monetary assets can do immense good for society, and that should be the goal of one who has accumulated great wealth. Not to do so harms society and should be punished.

    • LARRY

      i don’t believe i ever worked for a poor person .. i thought the rich people owned all the business ..

      • Smilee

        And just how do you think they can run that business without those poor underpaid ones working for them, no poor people no rich people, you just seem to think the rich ones are more important.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Never had a poor man hire me or write me a check. Never have I seen the poor man pay 85 percent of the taxes in this country that make it work. I used to think the rich were dark and evil, and now I see, that those who are deemed to be rich, are taxed to death and dealt with by the government harshly, taking more and more from them. Bull crap. When I start paying more tax than them, Ill have the right to complain. But I dont, so I dont. Run them all off to Mexico and Canada, and watch them take the jobs with them, then what will we do. Oh yeah, were causing that allready. Walk in another mans shoes, before you decide he isnt worthy of the money he has earned. The guys went to school, took loans, invested money, started business’s, became profitable, hired hundreds and thousands who they pay payroll taxes on, and these thousands pay taxes, and everyone wins. But along come the democratic politicians, who say, you there, Mr. Successful business. You need to pay more, so we can make bigger government and do mass handouts to guys like Smilee, and others that love our handouts. They want to penalize success, and reward mediocrity. Truth be told, they would like us all to be mediocre, so we could all be dependant on them, then they could keep us in our place, and we in turn will depend on them, and they will always have their power. Welcome to the democrat party.

        • Smilee

          I just see the rich and poor as both my equals and am not prejudiced to either, you however seem to want to worship the rich and yield to them special favors in hopes that as your Masters they will be nice to you. When the rich get to big and powerful some will treat you that as second class and that’s just not right in a country that values freedom for all. But with so many willing today to worship those people who are rich and then in their hearts lust after what have and hope one day be like them. The love of money is the root of all evil, and we sure got a lot of it this country since the conservatives have had so much power for the last thirty years.

  • Mike Snyder

    I can’t believe these torts and retorts. The left, like maggots, are still chewing on the corpse of the hapless Bush who found himself the victim of a vicious, relentless, hateful campaign championed by the likes of Mary Mapes and Dan Rather. For eight years the dems used the Saul Alinsky, Handbook for Radicals, to tear down America, even manufacturing a recession by using Clinton’s ’99 amendments to the Communities Reinvestment Act to sucker folks into buying houses they couldn’t afford with money they didn’t have — prodded along by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac under the blinders of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. Well, with a masterpiece of timing engineered by their Wall Street co-conspirators, they finally got that “crisis too good to waste” they had been longing for. Now Saul Alinsky’s object was realized — make the people feel so disheartened, so disgusted, so fed up that they will accept anything, anything — any “uptopia” — any socialism offered them. Well the dems got it –unfortunately we all got it. Now the dems want to feast on the past and dare not visit a critical eye on the present while we are being shorn like sheep by the biggest con ever to disgrace the political scene. The con who has committed to spend more money than all of the presidents preceding him. Look at the present where our precious liberties are being squandered on the alter of unionized labor — “card check,” seizure of private businesses in violation of the 10th Amendment, freedom of choice of medical treatment, extortion of one business (BOA) to buy another (ML), a civilian army (for what) to shut my mouth and break my fingers? Pity.

    • Brian Rawls

      Buy a gun and lots of bullets mike. resist at all costs.

      • Teri

        My family has, for the first time ever, purchase several guns…with plenty of ammo. I never thought I would see the day when we couldn’t trust at least part of our Government! So many that control the power (Pelosi, etc) are evil, lying, greedy, and need to be gotten rid of.

      • LARRY

        you can still buy a gun but here in south texas it is hard to find bullets ..

        • Brian Rawls

          I live in south Texas as well. Academy only lets you purchase 2 boxes at a time.

    • Teri

      Very well stated…and sadly true! But, we don’t have to stand for it! Try as they may, they can not silence our voice…and unless they practice voter fraud again in the 2010 election, we will rid ourselves of the ugly mess on the Hill, known as “Congress”.

    • Smilee

      Mike Snyder on July 17th, 2009 at 2:54 pm:

      Boy are you ever out of touch with reality, You know nothing about which you speak including the 10th amendment that has nothing what so ever to do wih business. You even disgrace your conservative friends whom you identify with and then go on to show all who can think your lack of intelligence.

      • Mike Snyder

        Thanks, Smilee, you are quite right. Obama has violated the 5th Amendment in the taking over of GM and giving it to the UAW and shafting the bond holders, not the 10th. It is the 5th that provides: “nor shall any person . . . .be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. I apologize to you if I’ve offended your Consitutional sensibilities, and I apologize to my legions of conservative friends whom I’ve disgraced. Perhaps you could further enlighten me on the Constitutionality of Obama’s action — citing a case or two?

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Welcome to the democratic party of 2009. Thats exactly how these (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) are, but all who for some sadistic reason love them, will deny deny deny. All they know how to do, is point the finger at someone else, as their leaders have taught them. Wankers.

  • James Corbin

    It was just fine to bash Bush ——BUT NOW—–We shouldn’t say anything about Obama—why is he so protected ? Couldn’t say his middle name until he was elected.
    Can’t respect a man when he says one thing and does another.

    • LARRY

      the military just confirmed that he wasn’t legally able to be president when they didn’t press charges on the soldier that refused to go overseas to war because of his belief about obama not being legally the president .. WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ?”?”

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      You cannot say anything about Obamination, because for one, he is democrat, and ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and MSNBC are his propaganda machines and they wont allow it. For two, because he is black, he is afforded special priveleges that a white guy woundnt have, like being allowed to have racist associations with Rev. Wright, and avowed racist. No, white guys would not be allowed to have this relationship. They would have been sacrificed a long time ago. And three, he is a muslim, and we must be TOLERANT, yes, we are told to be “tolerant” of these (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) that want to cut off our heads and end the United States as we know it. Democrats are weaklings, left wing pacifist appeasers. They are like the little brat on the playground that got picked on because of being a little wanker, then they grew up and got rich, bought some TV stations, and spend the rest of their lives telling lies about the other kids. Yep, thats them.

  • James Corbin

    To voice your opinion—doesn’t mean too much with a left-wing congress and as far left as you can get for a president!!!!!!!!!

  • James Corbin

    The far-left is ruining the democrat party.

    • bruce

      It is a perfect scenario for a new party to emerge, actually. Let’s call it the Sane Party, since that will surely set them apart from current politics.
      Seems like something VERY big is coming, and who knows what, but it is getting scary. The US is incredibly divided today. There’s a revolution coming, whether it will be political or otherwise, it’s difficult to say. Under the current environment, policies (particularly budget) being shoved down the peoples throat, media bias that is truly propaganda

      • Smilee

        Why not call it the “BRUCE” party after its founder

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          I would be all for that, and jail your ass for sedition.

  • James Corbin

    Go Mike Snyder—–You tell the truth!

    • Smilee

      Surely you Jest!!!!

  • James Corbin

    Mark, you know what you are talking about! So True!!

  • Bfrank

    What a bunch a crying fascist(opps i mean repulician) I heard the same election crap 4 and eight years ago. No wonder why your party in dying. I was an old Reagon supporter, he would just roll in his grave hearing this whining. you lost me with baby bush! Put on your pants and get to work!

    • bruce

      Hey, B frank. Do we work for you or for us? Are you one of the 45mil Americans who dont pay taxes? You think you have a right to other peoples time/money? Isn’t that the mantra of the Dems? Stick it to those successful ones, right? Class warfare among Americans? It’s been the strategy of Dems for 50 years. Politics of envy has been accellerating since Clinton ran the first time.

      I’ll go to work, but it’s not for the gov’t. Paying 60% to the gov’t after I do the work/take the risk is insane and it is a recipe for failure–educate yourself on history of socialism.
      Are you Barney Frank?

      • Brian Rawls

        The same gay Barney Frank that talks like taz on looney toonz. Lmao you fat (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT).

        • Teri

          ROFLMAO! So True!

      • Brian Rawls

        He needs the (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) slapped out of him if he is.

        • bfrank

          Nope not gay what do you think i’m related to an ex-vicepresident or something!

  • http://TheGreatestThreat uponroof

    Any of you still loyal to the left or right party are by definition insane (doing/voting for the same thing over and over and expecting a different result). Hello? Let’s try to get past the sophmoric name calling and understand the the two party system is completely in the hopper. Our only hope at this point in history is to gently pare back the government (with a chainsaw!) to about 1/2 the size that it is today. If we don’t cut it drastically, and continue to think, assume, hope, rely (etc etc) on it (government) for every part of our lives we will soon be nothing but slaves to it. I’m not over reacting here, I’m expressing fact. Wake the hell up you lazy people. Elect an outsider (Ron Paul) who has the balls to do what’s necessary despite the special interests of corporate and socialized america.

    • Brian Rawls

      Bravo ! Bravo ! Thats correct ! Ron Paul all the way! Praise the lord and pass the ammunition.

    • bill

      I hope Ron Paul does to the FED what Andrew Jackson did the The Bank of the United States.

  • bruce

    Here’s an idea: Let’s just take the country and divide it (like we’re not already!) along the red/blue lines roughly and we’ll have the Socialist States of America for the left and the Capitalist States of America for the right. You who want to work for the State and receive what they’ll allow you to have, go live up in those states, we’ll keep freedom, and capitalism, low taxes, smaller gov’t. We can part friends and wish you good luck and happiness, but you will not be able to take money from our registers any more. You’ll need to make your decision and move accordingly. Once you’ve decided, it’s over.
    How’s that sound?

    • bruce

      Oh, I forgot to mention, you’ll have no “entitlements” in the Capitalist States of America, so forget that as part of your decision on which you’ll choose. You’d have to support yourself or starve. You will, however, keep most of the fruits of your labor. If you want handouts, you will not find it easy in the Capitalist States of America. If you steal from others, you’ll be punished quickly and quite severly. If you go socialist and then try to move across the border and live in the Capitalist States, you’ll be deemed an enemy combatant and shot(of course without free benefits we’d not have the illegal aliens, I suppose). Terrorists will not be sent to Gitmo or anywhere else but the gallows for all to see. Just like the old days, real law and order. Now that’s utopia.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Dude, that would be awesome. They would sit and look at the Republican state, and point their fingers and say how unfair it is that we get to work and keep our money, and how business get to keep their money, then expand and hire more people. We would rid ourselves of feeding money to the illegal aliens in California and New York, the biggest and most indebted states, both largely democrat- and they wonder why they are that way. We could end government hand outs, and our side would be so successful, while the other would be mired in their loathsome selves, wondering what went wrong. Kind of like now, but they wouldnt be able to point the finger at Bush, they would have to acknowledge their own guilt, and Im not sure they could handle that. But Im all for it.

  • Teri

    Smilee,
    I don’t know why we even banter with you! You clearly have a close mind, and open hand. You don’t understand ‘sacrafice’, as do they hard working Americans who are supporting your liberal, and/or illegal friends. I could go on for hours about my disgust for what this Administration is doing to the Leadership and Superiority of this Country. But that would be futile! Just know this, this Country is full of people who are just as fed up & disgusted as I am, and we WILL NOT let it continue. Enjoy your brief moment. It is sad really. Obama had an opportunity as the first “Black” President of these United States, to really make a remarkable change & impact for the better…It is unfortunate for all, that he opted to take the Power hungry, Greedy path.

    • Brian Rawls

      You said a mouth full —sista—lol—- smilee must be Barney Franks kin folk

      • Teri

        LOL…I am so happy to see someone else “LOVES” Barney like I do! But, my heart REALLY belongs to Nancy! I just love her souless, black eyes!

    • Smilee

      # Teri on July 17th, 2009 at 4:51 pm

      Now how the hell would you know I don;t understand sacrifice, I started with nothing, went bust once came back and worked my self up again and am now retired with a nice hard earned nest egg with a bigger that most peoples pensions and SS. Your a typical conservative far right wing extremist and like them you think you can read minds and hearts of liberals. I have a very open mind and no hand out and I’m at a total loss as to how you can make such a statement without any facts. First I don’t have any illegal friends hell I don’t even know one. My observation listening to you and others here it is clear you have no idea what a liberal really is, only that you hate them and blame them for all you dislike and need us as your whipping boys. My experience with you type is that it is not possible to solve problems with you because its your way or the highway mentality. Re-read your post and all it dumb mixed up statements you make, that seriously suggests you are a person filled with hate and anger striking out in frustration. Problems in this country do not get solved by people like you

      • Robin, Arcadia, IN

        Smilee… if what you say is true, why are you so liberal? You seem educated, but follow a path that shows no common sense.

        • Smilee

          Concervatives know nothing about common sense so how could you expect to have any chance of recognizing common sense in a liberal who are filled with it.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Well then, if this is all true, that youve got this cushy pension and a nice nest egg, then why are you bitching on the other threads that you need socialized medicine because you cant afford it? Were you lying again, or just looking for another handout? You cannot have it both ways. What, are you John Kerry now? I said it before I didnt say it? What the hell. If youve got all that money, then the democrats should be taxing the shit out of you, as you seem to think they should do to all of us, because you keep voting for them, and they keep taxing the shit out of us. It is our way or the highway, because your left way is wrong and doesnt work. I will not accept your left wing baby killing. I will not accept your left wing special rights for gays, that others dont get. I will not accept your left wing special rights for illegal aliens and minorities that all groups do not get. I believe in equality for all, not just a select few. That is racist, and its prejudice, and I dont accept it. Judge a man by the content of his character, not by the color of his skin, or if he is gay, or illegal, or a muslim. Thats bullcrap that your immoral party has brought upon us all. It is your party that is kicking God out of everything, along with their sidekick the ACLU. Your party has gotten into bed with these guys, and what a disrepectful thing to do to all Americans, all Christians, and all people with morals. You lefties like to use JFK as the great democrat, let me tell you something. If he was alive now, there aint no doubt, he would run on the Republican ticket these days. You guys got him rolling over in his grave.

        • Smilee

          There you go again, off on a tangent again all over the page and answering the questions in your mind that you think are mine but are really your own. You forget Mark, for 42 years I paid into that account and when you get that age you will not turn down your SS or not go on Medicare so don’t infer that that you will, you will take this handout as you call it and we both know you will. Why is it that you think that the rich should forgo the benefits they paid for. If you paid attention I was not bitching about Medicare but telling you what it is and how superior it is to private plans today, see how you spin things so it comes out the way you want to see it rather than accepting what I actually said. JFK a republican, your really have lost touch with reality haven’t you, he might be rolling over in his grave to see what you selfish conservatives have done to our country to ruin our country in the last 30 years. See if you can get this straight, I support the changes in health care I have written about on this blog because I care deeply about my fellow man who ever they may be and who are unable to afford it and not selfish like conservatives who care nothing about anybody but themselves. That’s what your happens when you are so filled with hatred and blatantly prejudice towards those different than yourself. Even though you will not admit it liberals care about others and Conservatives who only are capable of caring about themselves.

  • Sunshine

    Whatever the circumstance behind this farce, one thing is for certain, and Franken doesn’t belong in office any more than Obama…neither of them is truly qualified. I hope Chip is right and that Franken stuffs his feet so far down his own gullet that he tap dances himself out of the Senate. I hope that Obama does just enough to bring our country out of the gutter, but not enough to turn us into the socialist country that many of us dread. Bush wasn’t perfect, but I never doubted he put America first and foremost, which is only logical since he was the President of the United States of America and not the UN…

    ACCORN = Nuts. Coincidence? I think not.

    • Teri

      AMEN!

    • Smilee

      But they were both elected and received the most votes, don’t you believe in democracy????

  • Teri

    What I find truly amazing…Al Franken was the best Liberal Democrat they could find in Minesota?…and they still had to STEAL…yes steal, cheat, whatever…to take the Senate seat? Truly Amazing…yet again…very SAD!

  • http://duped Peter Melville

    Al Franken is more ugly inside that he is outside. I guess that is why he resorts to cheap, and dirty humor. I wonder if that man has a decent thought in his head.
    He is about as shallow as Ted “itst bitsy spider” Kennedy!
    Bush had class something Smilee knows little about.

    • Smilee

      WOW, You been inside Mr. Franken?????? You do not know Smilee so your can’t know, and your comment about me is nothing more than mere speculation but I know Bush and I know I have twice the Class he could ever hope to have. I know me so you just have to take my word for it Peter

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Smilee, Smilee, Smilee: Its better to be thought of as a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Compared to George Bush’s class, you are like school in the summertime – no class at all. He freed a million or so people. How about you? He cut taxes and allowed my business to hire 35 people. How about you, you ever cut my taxes? Nope. And to further prove his brilliancy over you, he did not vote for Al Franken, and you did. Shame on you.

        • Smilee

          Mark

          your not capable of knowing the truth, its always a problem for people like you who are filled with hatred and prejudices, there you go again, I did not tell you who I voted for for senator when you asked but you always think you can get in the mind of others, hell, you do not even know what is going on in your own mind, thats what God can do, trust me your not God, you have more traits of the devil than god, your twisted words speak louder than you realize.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Maybe we could get Al Franken to go out drinking with Ted Kennedy, and let Ted drive home. Sweet.

      • Smilee

        What a mind it must tatake to think up these childish remarks

  • http://none Rod

    Cheez Norm, Can’t even identify your enemies! Your sitting on your last RIGHTS!
    Obama and his CRIMINALS are extracting everything you ever thought was yours
    and worked to get!

  • Sam

    For those of you who don’t track politicians, here’s the poop on Al Frankin and Dennis Kucinich. Al Frankin’s only claim to fame is that of a standup comedian on tv. He has zero business background and zero political background. If this is what Minnesotans want—welcome to him. Dennis Kucinich was the youngest mayor for Cleveland, Ohio in the 70s at 20 something. In two (2) years he bankrupted the city! How he has been elected so many terms in the House is beyond comprehension!!! This is what the American voters are putting in office. God Bless America—-we’re gonna need it!!!

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Dude, exactly. Someone else in here was trying to promote Paul-Kucinich, and I had to shoot down Dennis right out of the gate. That dude is not only a loser, he is out there. Cleveland was on a big rebound when he showed up, and he hurt it bad.

  • Ralph Krueger

    It seems only fair that the Democrats have Franken. After all the Republicans have the immoral Gingrich & that moron Limbaugh to try and live down.

    • Bfrank

      Well said Ralph. I was reading about the Republicans immoral. Cheating and screwing around in the last ten years. Only 14 of them cheated on their wifes. Six of the were not with women. Go figure. must be the altar boy syndrome. No wonder why they are so bitter. I need a cigar. LOL

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Shoot, Clinton and Kennedy topped that by themselves, and thats just one of the Kennedy’s. Throw in all three, and weve got some kind of record.

      • eyeswideopen

        so, you must not be counting the last three just this yr, ensign, stanford, and one who actually resigned and went to work for his mistress father. name starts with a p.. you need to ck your facts, they are just off by about 10.

  • Andre

    Let’s see what happens. Personally, I believe the gross overspending and overtaxing that the democrats propose will be ghastly for the country. Unfortunately, Americans will have to learn that over-centralized, over-taxed massively overspending government spending and taxing will cripple the entire economy. The American electrorate has to understand that voting in representatives the vote to spend more than the country earns has predictabally disastrous economic results – inflation; increasing debt and deficits, lower trade percentages and a declining dollar. We have already brought the dollar to the point where many other countries (Russia, Brazil etc) prefer a new global currency to the dollar. We must do a great deal better than what we have been doing to date – and even then most countries will not have a great deat of confidence in the currency. We need to curb our economically crazy fiscal policies and curb, by law, peacetime deficit overexpenditure and a host of other financial shinaningans such as deliberate floating of the dollar.

  • Joe

    Osama: Leader of the biggest most dangerous terror organization in the World
    Obama: Most dangerous American President ever, in the history of the USA.
    Soon to become Leader of the New World Order.

    Obama’s charismatic personallity has made fools of millions of Americans and many other people around the world.
    While trying to appease our enemies (mainly the Muslim people) on his famous “Kiss Ass World Tour”, Russia’s President and Prime minister along with Iran’s, Venezuala’s, N. Korea’s, Cuba’s and other anti-American country’s were laughing at him behind his back. Our president’s weakness, lack of wisdom and inability to control his wild spending is rapidly turning our country into a third world country. His mentality makes me wonder how he was able to obtain an IQ of 148. Is his IQ really that high, or did he buy that score like he bought his fake birth certificate. Obama also made the statement that “we are no longer a christian nation”. Was he speaking for all Americans, his fellow Damn-Ole-Crats or he and his family. As a proud American I found that statement very offensive, but coming from a man who’s wife once said that for the first time in her life she was proud to be an American I understand their mentality. The Obamas seem to think that being the head of the most powerful country on Earth is their reward/right for the suffering their ancesters endured under slavery. I can sympathize with their ancestors on this issue. Perhaps they feel they’re still owed repairation or that our country hasn’t done enough to right that wrong. Their mentality on this issue though is very primitive if that’s what they believe.
    I believe that our president is intent on utterly wrecking our economy, taking away our freedom, our liberties, and our way of life little by little so that he and his cronies can usher in “The One World Order” with Obama as it’s president. If we Americans and other God fearing and freedom loving people allow this to happen, America and the few remaining free countries will cease to exist as sovereign nations. We’ll all be part of “The New World Order”
    It is important that we go back and become a christian nation again for it was those beliefs in God that he blessed our country and made it the greatest country in the world. It is equally important that we remain Isreal’s ally and support them in every way posible, for as God said to Isreal “I will bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you”.

    • bruce

      If what I’ve read is correct, neither of the Obamas have slavery in their family heritage. They’re simply Marxists in their belief system. The old-fashioned Communists who believe that a system with central control over all things is the “fair” way to run a nation–as long as they control it, and they get to live in the palace.

      • Smilee

        Michelle is a descendant of slaves

        • LARRY

          everyone is a descendant of slaves at one time or another .. what makes her so different .. remember what she said before the elections .. she has never been happy in this country .. maybe she needs to go back to kenya where her husband was born ..

        • Smilee

          Everyone, well then who were your descendants MASTERS,

          My original and only statement was:

          Michelle is a descendant of slaves

          So why all the make all the irrelevant statements, whats your point??????? You also misquoted her and it has now been established he was born in Hawaii. The guy that filed the lawsuit alleging that he was born in Kenya had his law suit dismissed by all the courts and he even took it all the way to the US Supreme Court and they refused to hear so that is the end of the rope for that argument. It failed miserably. You apparently have a lot of hate for this couple, but he won, so get over both that and the fact that it has been legally established he was not born in Kenya. Michelle descendants where slaves although you did not comment on that and just ran off on a tangent.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          So. My ancestors were slaves of the Germans, and those before were slaves of the British. So what. Time passes, life goes on. Let it go. Hasnt it been beaten into the ground long enough. Slavery is over, stop wearing it like a badge. You want to cry for a just cause, get on board with the American Indian, where some real prejudice has been and is still being performed. Geesh, let it go allready. Had nothing to do with you, me, or any of us here now. Its in the past, let it go, and move on.

        • Smilee

          Your hatred of blacks is showing again, bigoted people never are able to be objective

          • eyeswideopen

            You are so Right!!!

    • Teri

      Amen…You are so right!

      • Joe

        The liberal US Supreme court’s refusal to hear the lawsuit concerning the birth place of our president should scare the living daylights out of every american. The fact that one man who is not even a natural born american can have that much influence over our highest courts would also have the power of life and death in his hands. Case in point, the real agenda of a Socialized Health Plan would give Obama’s idea of government just that power. Government would decide who lives and who dies. It would give government control of the population and the cost of health care by killing off the elderly or not allowing them live past a certain government appointed age. As I said before and I’ll say it again this man (our president) is very dangerous for our country, but his charismatic personality has millions and millions of americans and people around the world fooled. That is why he is being groomed to become the president of the “NEW ONE WORLD ORDER”. He could even be the one who ushers in the Anti-Christ or maybe the Anti-Chist himself, he did say he wasn’t a Christian anymore.

      • Teri

        That AMEN was for Mark…Not Smilee.
        Smilee you are so off base it stinks! Just because you are tired of some “Blacks” continuing on with the hatred of the past, by wearing the “Slave Badge” has nothing to do with being a bigot. I am a woman and hate the “women’s Libbers” because of the hateful things they continue to do…does that make me a sexist? You damn liberals use that Bigot Card so often…FOR EVERY arguement, that it has lost it’s meaning. Some of my best friends are Black…Doesn’t mean I like all of them.! I am White…Doesn’t mean I like all of them! STOP using race as a way to win an arguement! It no longer works. This generation has nothing to be guilty for! If anything…reverse discrimination is being practiced. Affirmative action, started by Liberals, saw to that! I have been turned down for jobs in the past, because I was White, and the County had to hire a Hispanics. I don’t hold grudges…I went on; started my own business. Can’t do that now thanks to the Economy. I blame Paulson, Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd, Geithner, and the others who didn’t heed the Previous’s warnings!

        • Smilee

          Why would you think that I thought your “amen” was for me, never crossed my mind. The fact that I pointed out that Mark is a bigot is because of the things he has said, he has convicted himself, and I firmly believe he is a bigot. You seem to be filled with a lot of hatred and I wonder if that isn’t why you strike out the way you do. Us liberals want the same freedoms free of discrimination for all people, how you can twist that into being bigots is beyond me unless you are allowing you personal prejudices cloud you thinking and lead to have to accuse other people of being what you are because you are in a state of denial another thing many conservatives seem to be guilty of and this of course distorts their reality and leads them to the wrong conclusions.

        • Teri

          You know Smilee, I find it sad because I really believe you believe all the distorted rhetoric that spew from your mouth and brain.
          If You believe I am angry…You are DAMN straight! I am angry because I have several family members who are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan RIGHT NOW to protect this Country…and our Democracy…and I have a Seated President and Liberal Congress who are trying to destroy this Country from within. You liberals keep saying that “You won”. Well you won because of lies told on the Campaign trail, media bias, and voter fraud…In other words, cheating! So be proud of yourselves! Just remember…”Cheaters never Prosper”. Eventually truth, honesty, & moral character win out!

          I know that God will not allow this country to be completely destroyed…but he will bring it to it’s knees. Me and other Americans just don’t want that to happen so soon, that is why we are fighting back with such earnest zeal!

          Get used to it!

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          No, Smilee is so wrong. He is a racist (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT that raises the race card on me at almost every stinking turn. I could care less about race. You know, so stinking what if Michelle was a decendant of slaves. Who gives a crap? What is it worth? It doesnt mean nothing, it shouldnt mean nothing, and you should not have even brought it up Mr. Smilee. Besides that, Smilee doesnt even know what color I am, but he sure feels free to wave that old race card. I really thought that since we have a black president, the race issue could be put away once and for all, but the black guys just wont let it happen. Its so easy to play the victim, hard to leave it go.

    • http://gma Shirley

      Before Obama was elected (not by me!) word on the street was “America is
      going to be taken down from the inside out” – Look who is on the inside!!!
      I don’t trust Amerca’s new President.

  • DaveH

    Norm,
    It does not surprise me that you can rationalize anything the Democrats do. One of the basic moral codes of any civilized society is “Thou shall not Steal”. You Libs think it is okay as long as you pull the voting lever. But no matter how big the gang is, stealing is stealing. When we are taxed to give money to someone who provides no goods or services, that is just plain theft.
    So if I had to guess which side was more likely to rig elections, my money would be on the Democrats. And by the way, I am not Republican, but I would trust them a lot further than I would trust any Democrat.

    • Norm

      WOW
      I’m blown away by all the attention. The reality is that I’m a registered republican and have been for some 40 years. The party has been destroyed, unfortunatly, by neocons, religious fanatics, and greedy morons. Obama is a breath of fresh air. He has as many enemies on the far left as he does on the far right. That’s a good thing. I’m all for balanced budgets, low taxes, avoidance of optional wars, and personal freedom. The last eight years have been the worse I’ve seen my lifetime (and that’s awhile). I cringe at the size of government debt, but Obama took over the rubble caused by Bush/Cheney. Its going to take a lot of time and cash to clean up the mess.
      When Ike was president the top tax rate was 90% and now it is 35%. A family making $372,950 pays taxes at the same rate as CEO of CITI bank, and at a higher rate than does Warren Buffet. Even Warren (he’s a good guy) is embarrased by this. My point is let’s raise the cash, show some honor and intelligence, and straighten out this country. When I was a kid, it was the center of the universe. We are sinking fast.
      I apologize for any typos and spelling gaffs. No spell check.

      • Smilee

        Nice to hear you tell it like it really is, but in this group who are mostly in a deep state of denial do not expect it to register with many

        • Teri

          That AMEN was for Mark…Not Smilee.
          Smilee you are so off base it stinks! Just because a person is tired of some “Blacks” continuing on with the hatred of the past, by wearing the “Slave Badge” has nothing to do with being a bigot. I am a woman and hate the “women’s Lib” movement because of the hateful things they continue to do against FAMILY values…does that make me a sexist? You damn liberals use that Bigot Card so often…FOR EVERY arguement, that it has lost it’s meaning. Some of my best friends are Black…Doesn’t mean I like all of them.! I am White…Doesn’t mean I like all of them! STOP using race as a way to win an arguement! It no longer works. This generation has nothing to be guilty for! If anything…reverse discrimination is being practiced. Affirmative action, started by Liberals, saw to that! I have been turned down for jobs in the past, because I was White, and the County had to hire Hispanics. I don’t hold grudges…I went on; started my own business. Can’t do that now thanks to the Economy. I blame Paulson, Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd, Geithner, and the others who didn’t heed the Previous’s Administrations warnings! And I blame Obama, for what he is doing now…trying to force CAP & TRADE down our throats, and Universal Health Care. Every Bank in the Country knows that both of these things will fail…leaving us in worse shape than we are now, so why would they risk loans for “new businesses”. The CIT is now going bankrupt…You know the ones who back “Small Business Loans”…If it fails…so do the businesses…Where is their BAIL OUT? Small businesses are the Backbone of this country? Far More important than some stupid fish being saved by PELOSI!

      • debra

        Norm..low taxes,balanced budget,no wars,personal freedom?? Yeah hows that working out for you?? Wow with all of your education you should be making big bucks!! So be careful..because Obama hates people who work. Well thats not true..he needs you to work so he can tax you 45% so you can pay for welfare(you know those people who have babies and babies-and are physically able to work but wont,and the baby daddy too),you can pay for this billions in stimulus,healthcare,and cap & trade…and this is in only 7 months!! Im so glad you are so willing to work so hard and give 1/2 up to pay for those who wont.

        • Norm

          Debra
          It took Bush and Cheney 8 years to screw things up. Your upset because Obama can’t fix it in 6 months? He’s good but not that good.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Tell Norm, about his stupid statement about being upset that Obama cant fix it in 6 months, that things were in great shape until the fear of Obama winning became a reality, and things went down the drain. The democrat tax monsters have spoken, and in 6 months, he has escalated unemployment to double what it was, and spent more than Bush did in 8 years. Norm is obviously uneducated for one with so many degrees. Uneducated in reality that is.

          • eyeswideopen

            You need to take a basic economics course.Along with a common sense one. Then you need to do some research. No one could cause these problems to occur with a six month period of time. They actually started in 1986 when the Republicans deregulated the Savings and loan industry. That cost us 283 BILLION dollars which we were just paying off in 1999, when once again deregulation struck and the Linsay-Grahm act was passed, which caused this recent train wreck. It took ten years of uncontrolled greed due to deregulation and no oversight at all of our “too big to fail companies” for this situtation to become epic. Yes, both times Republican who are supposed to be the fiscally responsible party caused tremendous loss of our hard earned money.
            I guess you forgot that Pres. Bush passed the first couple of billion dollar bailout prior to Obama even taking office… Get a grip and put your hate in facts not fiction.

      • http://Patriot patriot

        You can’t spend your way out of bankruptcy. FDR couldn’t and neither can Obama, it is not simple economics, and doesn’t work, we, United States have less than 8 years of social security, it will not last any longer and has been milked to death. FDR started that as well. Get it, Social, Socialism, government control. Get it. Government is not the answer.

        • PATRIOT

          YOU GOT IT, AND NOW, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO GET IT!!!!!

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        I dont believe you are a registered Republican for one second Norm. Your almost a bigger liar than Smilee.

        • Norm

          Mark
          Wrong again. I also voted for George W. Bush in 2000. We all make mistakes, but some of us learn by them.

        • Teri

          I believe you are RIGHT Mark. I don’t believe Norm is Republican.

          and NORM…It’s too bad that Dems don’t learn from their mistakes…If they did they wouldn’t be supporting Obama’s goal of further destroying our Country by implementing the same stupid policies as CARTER!

    • Smilee

      DaveH on July 17th, 2009 at 7:44 pm:

      “Thou shall not bear false witness against they neighbor”

      That means do not tell lies Dave, not much truth in your post

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Then stop your telling lies about Bush, saying you have more class than him. Dude, you dont even know the guy. You couldnt carry his jock. He has more class in his little finger, than you and I put together. It was good to see some morals come back into the White House, after all the Bill Clinton stuff that defiled this place. Yes, George Bush and Laura Bush brought class back into the White House, and I do hope Barrack and Michelle keep it that way. The couple before both of these couples were completely class-less. America’s worst nightmare, white trash with money. Bill and Hillary, your heroes. And you try to say youve got more class than President Bush? Unreal Smilee, unreal. Take another prozac, youll be ok.

        • Teri

          OMG! LOL Mark…I don’t know you, but I love the way you think! A BIG Right ON! No truer or more honest words were ever spoken! AMEN & AMEN!

  • Smilee

    Mark Reply:
    July 17th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    Mark

    Reread your post below, yes the stories of the buses was true but that was all, It is a local school board discussion, Jessie and Franken are not involved in these decisions. But what is so hard to understand is what is the connection it has the the post you were responding to is awful hard to fathom. Your mind sure seem to be spinning out of control.

    Are these guys, the same guys that are so green they decided to up the bio-diesel in the school buses, where the stuff gels up at around 20 degrees, and all the school buses froze up so kids stood out in the cold for a bus that didnt show up. So then they built all these storage buildings that they heat 24 hours a day to keep the buses from freezing up, and leave the rest run all night that wont fit inside, so they dont freeze up? Probably the same guys. So now they burn fuel all day and night to heat these builidings, and run the other buses all night to keep them from freezing, so they dont have to use real diesel fuel because its bad for the environment? This my friends, is Minnesota politics. Look into this, its all true. And they elected first Jesse Ventura, and now Al Franken. Im staying out of that state forever. Scares me.

    • Teri

      It all goes back to the same thing, Smilee…Dems talk out both sides of their lying mouths! Just like your precious President telling the Nation that during these troubled times, WE are all going to have to sacrifice and tighten our belts…as he flies off for a $30,000 night out with his wife. Same with Gore…who has increased his networth 500% off his Global Warming & Green Initiatives; who stands to make over a BILLION $’s off CAP & TRADE tax bill, & who’s personal utility usage annually is over $300,000.

    • Bfrank

      Hell i walked to school in three feet of snow boths ways. These little whimps need a bus to go 3 blocks what kind of warriars can come from that.

  • Dale

    I’ve got bad news and very bad news for anyone on the right. The bad news is that the Republican Party is on it way out for at least 15-20 years. You can THANK the last President, V.P and their band of bandits. I personally want to THANK them for their wonderful years of service to this wonder country. As for the very bad news, well you all know that it’s true.

    • Tom

      If that happens there will not be any america left. It will mean civil war. There are enough people in America that will fight rather than see the country destroyed by power hungry,bleeding heart, cunning, left wing elitists.

      • Bfrank

        Yea lets get them (WORDS REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) Why Stop there how bout them there prodistants and yea them other americans that went here when the main land was found. OMG Opps i think i hear a bleeding heart. DA

        • Tom

          Wow what bigotry. Hey man give the minorities a break from your vitriol.

        • bfrank

          Sorry i was just trying to fit in!

      • Smilee

        Tom Reply:
        July 17th, 2009 at 8:52 pm

        If you fight you’ll lose that war too there is not enough of you to beat the large majority you will be up against.

        • Tom

          Bleeding heart liberals cannot win a war. Too bloody wimpy. They don’t even have the guts to execute a confessed murderer. The only thing that they are willing to kill are the unborn and their own defenceless disarmed countrymen. (Good luck trying to disarm american patriots.) The majority will fight for freedom from socialist tyranny. Hopefully obama will come to his senses before it comes to that.

        • Smilee

          Tom Reply: July 19th, 2009 at 1:29 am

          Just another dose of that stinking conservative fiction mixed in with a lot of sour grapes and BS, nothing for anyone to worry about though, your harmless

    • Bfrank

      Wow! well said Dale.

    • Dale

      You must be the “Bizarro” Dale. Because only a lamebrained idiot refuses to see that there is
      another “CHANGE” a comin’. People are finally
      beginning to wake up to the spending madness
      of the liberal medias Obamessiah, and see him
      for the false prophet who’s producing NO profit
      for Americas economy.
      And “Bfrank” isn’t much smarter. I guess we can
      blame a public school deaducation for his lack of
      English skills.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Right. And your taking what kind of medication? Dude, the left is allready turning on Obama, and it hasnt even been a year. They keep telling him to do and say this stupid stuff, and its blowing up right and left. Soon they will cut and run, and throw him under the bus to save their own worthless carcasses. 2010 out goes the house, and in 2012, out goes the rest of it. America realizes its mistake of putting someone unqualified in there, and is re-coiling in horror at what this admin has done. Spent more in 10 months that the previous admin did in 8 years. Ouch. And with nothing to show for it. Bozo’s. So dude, dial back the heroin, or meth, or whatever it is your on, cause its killing you. Its left your mind null and void.

      • Smilee

        YOU WISH. Mark you in no way know or understand us democrats, they are like family, have family fights etc, but in the end they always come together, like family. When I was in the republican party which was the first 52 years of my life they made it clear that I was expected to be in lock step with the leadership and also made clear not to think for my self, then I became a democrat and they encourage everyone to think for them self, its can look messy sometime to outsiders like yourself but in the end we come together so dream on my friend we will succeed much to your dislike

        • Teri

          SMILEE…
          Who are you trying to convince? Or should I say…Kid? Republicans are all about being “A Free thinking…acting…Society”. It is the Democrats who are trying to ‘level the playing field” by having us become a “Nanny State”…Unable to think, or do, for ourselves; completely DEPENDENT on the Federal Government. Good grief, certainly you are not buying all that BS you are spewing again! Even your liberal friends in HOLLYWOOD can’t think for themselves…they are being coached on all the same left-wing hateful rhetoric. They keep creating the same old garbage with new actors! That is all Obama is…a new Actor with the same idiotic rhetoric! The only difference is, he is doing everything on a larger scale by using his ACORN buddies as his muscle. Everything done by the majority of LIBERALS is destructive! Republicans continually think of constructive things…TO BUILD UP…NOT DESTROY what we already enjoy. Every LEGAL American is given the same rights and opportunities…the difference is Reps are taught to “seize the opportunity” and work hard to achieve their goals….While Dems set out to STEAL what others have accomplished…under the guise that they should have everything they want or need…NOT BY WORKING HARD FOR IT…but because they are ENTITLED TO IT!
          I am not usually one to say “I TOLD YOU SO”, but if things don’t change drastically in the immediate future to stop OBAMANOMICS…this conversation will be mute! We will have lost all the Freedoms we have left: We will no longer have a ‘Middle Class’, only the RULING CLASS and the poor. There won’t be a Two-Party Government with Independents in the Ruling class, just your Far Left Liberal Elite!
          I doubt seriously that we will have internet services ( if they can do it in Iran…You don’t think they can do it here?) that will be the first thing to go…How better to CONTROL the people…than by taking away their means to communicate? The MAINSTREAM media is already under their rule, so that won’t be an issue. Our Constitution will eventually hang by a thread…But my PATRIOT friends and I will not go down without a FIGHT! We will rise up, UNITED, and take back this Country…and restore our Constitution!
          SO SMILEE AND NORM….Just know that I will be thinking of you … and the Millions of others who have been DUPED by a smooth talking, handsome face…and saying to myself…”I told them this would happen”. I sure hope they enjoyed bowing to this new Messiah of theirs…and that he fulfilled all their UTOPIAN dreams!

        • Smilee

          Teri

          Like I said before you have no idea what democrats are all abut and then go on to define us as wish we were. Somebody to hate and whip and take out your frustrations on them because republicans especially conservative ones do not understand these things but sadly have convinced themselves they do, they are dysfunctional. Aren’t you forgetting that Reagan was the Actor and the only one to be president and in the almost thirty years since he took office the republicans have all but destroyed this country it is the democrats who have recently gained enough power and are struggling to restore to it to a healthy state again, trouble it it takes time and conservatives want up to believe you can snap your fingers and make it happen overnight which clearly illustrates their lack of understanding, all the republicans are doing now is obstruct everything to insure that democrats do not succeed they fear Dems getting credit for it, drives them nuts. I do not know how old you are but I am old enough to remember the good times before Reagan took office most then could afford to take care of themselves without government aids, today a very large portion of today’s workers wages are so low that they cannot do so and thus need government intervention to prevent us from becoming a third world county, Obama is on a rescue mission to save this country and restore balance that was a very health economy with only the normal up and downs and not manufactured ones that was the case back before Reagan started us down this destructive path and GWB almost finished it for us.
          WE need a big middle class that makes enough to take care of themselves, however, the special favors that the republicans have bestowed on the big corporations the last 30 years has given them the power thy now have to treat us more like slaves than employees and no respect their customers. Funny how you hear even conservatives bitch about customer service, high health care costs, low wages etc. but seem not intelligent enough to connect the dots and see what the republicans and their rich buddies are doing to this country. Let’s hope Obama can turn it around and as Harry Truman, said “The Buck stops here” It could happen again and Obama is our only change as no one in either party at the moment has what it takes to do it if it is not already to late for anyone to do. If republicans had the statesmanship necessary to put the country ahead of politics at this time and not let their lust for power come first and work with the democrats this country could still be saved.

  • James Corbin

    How could anybody be so stupid to think Bush had anything to do with 911? At least he kept us safe——-With Obama apologizing to other countries——How safe are we? Obama isn’t trustworthy. You people will find out——-But it will be too late!!!!!

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      The thing is, Bush took enough precautions and set up enough defenses, that we will be safe probably through Obama’s 4 years. About 2 years after this wanker is gone is when they will strike again, because it take them awhile of Obama sleeping to get set up again.

  • Bfrank

    Wow people like you make this country. I’m going to go hide in my bomb shelter. About all this money did any one happen to watch them put the extra digit on the debt counter last August. Wow 2000 we only had 1 T in debt. Last August 10 trillion. Yea the war did it, opps that was only 1 trillion. It’s a conspiracy. Them Darn tooting democrats made us spend that money so they be looking good. But as i can see here the american ignoance is stronger than that. And who say’s we need education reform.

  • Al

    All of this arguing and banter is accomplishing nothing. Truth is Al Frankin is a mindless criminal troll, period! Obama, Soetoro or any of the many aliases he has hidden behind is an impostor and a illegal alien one at that. He also is not the President, he violated the Constitution, namely the amendment dealing with the requirement to be a “natural born citizen” of two American citizen parents, end of argument!

    I don’t know about any of you but I didn’t spend one million dollars of taxpayer money keeping my records sealed when they were last requested of me, I simply opened my safe deposit box and presented them! My granddaughter had to produce her actual long form birth certificate to play rec softball, but the fraud in the Oval Office gets a pass. Even hapless McCain was forced by Congress to release all of his documents but not Captain anti-America, hmm.

    Realize that anything the impostor in chief signs is in fact invalid and has no bearing. In addition, willful omission on a bar application is perjury, a felony, as is falsifying a selective service registration, both accomplished by the usurper in chief.

    Now, quite frankly, I don’t care much for either party, the Communist Democratic party or the spineless Republican party, I care about America. I served the nation I love in Vietnam, something the cowards that have posted on this blog, the girly man democrats, like those who ran to Canada, wouldn’t understand. It was hell but it was my duty and many a soldier left it all over there and in the killing fields of Korea and two World Wars because that was their duty. You sissies make me sick and your revolting idolatry of this American hating Muslim worshiping illegal alien impostor has caused me and at least 60 million other patriots to, as they say, git er dun!

    This vile hater of our inviolable law of the land, the Constitution, who refuses to honor our flag, recite the pledge or understand the guiding principles of this great nation, you sheep deem your savior. Einstein once said that two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe! To sit by with your eyes closed, your hands out, while your country is being methodically destroyed, sent hurtling into into the dustbin of history by a manchurian candidate and his psychopathic henchmen, is revolting.

    Bush disappointed me in so many ways and I have serious questions regarding much of what he did and didn’t do but in the last six months this creature inhabiting the Oval Office and his criminal enablers have done more damage to freedom, liberty and our economy than in the previous 233 years of our nation’s history. The fact that so many of you still buy into this massive charade, this hostile takeover and annihilation of our Constitution, is a revisit to Jonestown on a monumental scale!

    • LARRY

      well said !!!!!!

    • Tom

      You speak for for freedom lovers everywhere. Many thanks for your service to all of us. I lived in Russia for 8 years between 1992-2003. No foreign enemy could have destroyed a country more thoroughly than socialism did Russia. Now the west wants to have some of that. The people even the leaders get caught up in the machinery of socialism and completely lose their way. They believe their own lies. All but the criminals end up poor and desperate The people greatly respect Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher. In Russia if you do not act in a tough manner you perceived as weak. Right or wrong they respect the bully. Obama’s suck-up approach will be met with scorn. It is a dangerous approach to dealing with the Russian mentality.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        But thats what pacifist appeaser pants wetting democrats do. The go into the fetal position and cry for mommy. Bill Clinton did it over and over again for 8 years, then George Bush stood up like a man and punched them back. The enemy liked Bill Clinton, they feared and hated George Bush, and now they like Obama. What does that tell anyone with an education? I myself, I dont want my enemies liking my leaders. No thank you.

        • Teri

          HERE!~ HERE!
          LOL…You have such a way with words! I just love all the Adjectives!

          I agree! I too, don’t want to have a President who is in league with Dictators. Who feels their method of rule is SUPERIOR to our Constitution. That every Hard working; OR fighting, American should give up what they have worked, or fought for, to LAZY, GREEDY, IDEALOGUES!

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Thank you Teri. And to think I did that with half my brain tied behind my back. Usually, thats all it takes to out do a liberal, because pretty much, they want it all done for them while they stand there with their hand out. You know what I mean.

    • PATRIOT

      First of all, I want to Thank You for your Service to your Country and for the Freedoms that I still enjoy.

      I am afraid that we have a generation of people who have forgotten why Europe is not speaking German and why we have the Freedom in this country to pursue the American Dream. We have a generation who believes in entitlements and a free lunch. They suffer from a lack of respomsibility, lack of respect, and lack of reverence. These people are ready to give up all that was acheived, through the sacrifices of others, for their liberal views.

      As my neighbor said, the American people deserve what they voted for and that is how they will learn this difficult lesson. He only hopes it won’t be too late to turn things around.

      I do question the legality of the President. If he is a natural born citizen, then why not show your Birth Certificate. And, if he doesn’t, then why can’t the American people legally require him to produce it. There must be at least one Attorney who would take the case to the Supreme Court. It is those who refuse such easy confirmation, that we are most suspect of. He could fix this.

      Thanks for your comments and I understand your frustrations. I hear more and more from those who voted for Obama and now realize this was not the change they wanted or expected. People are genuinely concerned!!

      • Smilee

        Were have you been, one lawyer (Peter Berg) did file a suit against Obama and others, district court dismissed it and the appellate court upheld the dismissal and he then petitioned the US Supreme Court and they refused to hear it. So the dismissal stands this case is over and done with. Google it and read it, kind of a joke though he has no evidence stated in the law suit. If he had any you can be sure it would be on every conservative website on the net. I can’t find any anywhere on the net. Conservative fiction. He has shown his Birth Certificate, it can be seen on his site and factcheck.org has it on theirs along with documentation that it is for real.

        • Teri

          Yes SMILEE

          Kind of amazing how LONG it took to produce it! For someone running for the highest position in this Country, you would think he should have all his papers in order, ready to submit immediately. You seem to also forget, that some of his biggest supporters, ie. ACCORN, SEIU, and the 360 other organizations involved with getting him elected have come under investigation for FRAUD! Gee, how hard do you really think it would be for one of these “UPSTANDING” groups to forge a Birth Certificate? If Mexicans can do it??? I’m just saying!

        • Smilee

          Teri

          You inferring that the state of Hawaii is forging birth certificates now, none of the organizations you cite have access to these records so how would you suggest they forged his certificate, get real, they could never have done this even if they wanted to. Aside for one investigation of ACCORN in Nevada there is no other investigation of any of these groups that’s just more lies being pushed on us by the Conservative groups who care little about what they say is true. There is however in a number of states investigations of some former ACCORN employees which they had fired and this is for registration fraud and not voter fraud as many on here want you to believe, like I said the truth means little to many here and others just repeat what they have been told not knowing weather it is true or not and apparently don’t care. Why, I guess only you can answer that. Now, he has furnished a copy of his birth certificate and Hawaii has said they have his birth on record. He has furnished all necessary papers, and I am convinced that no matter how many he releases the conservative will always want something new released. Why don’t the conservatives come up with some documents that prove their case that supports their allegations, Where are their facts. The fact is there are none so that should tell a reasonable person that this argument is nothing more that conservative fiction. The law suits filed against them are frivolous and one judge even said so as well as many legal experts looking at them have also said, they know that Obama has to answer these lawsuits by law or make motions to dismiss as he has done in these cases and this is spendy for him and that is the only reason they file them as those who file them know they cannot be won and will not be heard but they keep this up this up for harassment purposes only. Isn’t it interesting that in Alaska the conservatives are accusing dems of doing the same thing to Palin but rationalize that when it Obama thats somehow OK but so terrible here. Do not look for Obama to pull his tail in and run as she did. He’s more dependable than that Mexicans???????????

      • FarRightWinger

        I would be MORE worry if Europe speaks Russian… German would be OK for me. At least the Germans the most honorable people and soldiers in the world – even General Patton admitted it durinf WW2.

        • bruce

          WHAT???? This is sarcasm, right? Not sure about you, Dude. Honorable????? Please define. Those (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) starved and killed millions of people. Are you one of those idiots that thinks that those atrocities never happened?

    • Teri

      AL~
      I can only say THANK YOU! I had several friends who served in Nam. One in particular, who was asked to do unspeakable things. It doesn’t make him any less honorable! These “mamby pamby” whiners, who think that war is not a necessary evil to stay FREE, blow my mind! God help us if they are all we have to protect us from EVIL conquerors. Perhaps they can take out one of their Idealogical Philosophy manuals and TALK them into submission! Better yet…John Travolta can win them over with his L.Ron Hubbard mentality…THE POWER WITHIN…Church of Scientology message! LOL…Yeah, I’m sure they’ll stop to listen to that!

  • Buckeye8

    Poor TERI, just can’t understand how an ex-clown can beat their best republican. It’s simple the people are sick and tired of the POLICIES AND CORRUPTION OF THE R PARTY. After 8 Bush years the R party can’t even elect a republican dog catcher.

    • bruce

      Buckeye, you amaze me. You are the definition of blind follower. Let me guess…………..you dont pay taxes and have been receiving those goodies that Obama and the Dems have promised you more of?

      Corrupt?? You want to talk corrupt? Check out Pelosi, Reid, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Maxine Waters, Schumer, Clinton (male and female versions). Are you intentionally stupid or do you simply go along for the money and “entitilements”?

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      No, the people just didnt want to elect a 150 year old man, thats all. In 2010 its half over for you guys, and in 2012, its all over. Buckeye, isnt that the worthless brown nut?

    • Teri

      LOL…whatever! Like I have said before…ENJOY your MOMENT! That’s all it takes for a DEM to screw things up to the point of being ridiculous.

      You can say many things about Bush…like he also made poor choices of the people he placed in important positions…But, you can never doubt his loyalty to this Country! You can never say he did not improve the safety of this Country after 9/11. You can never say that he didn’t question the Housing Bubble possiblity, and was POOH POOHed by BARNEY AND DODD…and others (that is all on record)
      Dems took over the House because of the war in Iraq. But, that is primarily because the LEFT WING MEDIA was all about LYING to us about what was really going on! Bush did many good things for us…CAN YOU SAY THE SAME ABOUT OBAMA (without laughing…or running so you don’t get hit by lightning?)

  • PATRIOT

    How true this article is. The people of Minnesota should be outraged and ashamed to have Al F. representing them in Congress. He is a nasty man and a person of little class. Now Minnesota has to deal with the antics.

    The Honduras people had every right as a Democratic Nation to do what they did. Why Obama did not stand up for them and Democracy says a lot about who Obama really is. This man is a Progressive and a very Dangerous President. He is doing exactly what he said he would do and what he has written in his books. You can listen to what he says, but pay particular attention to what he does. If he is allowed to continue his irresponsible policies this country will be in desperate shape and all will suffer. It is time for the AMERICAN PEOPLE TO SPEAK OUT and let your Congress, both Senators and Representatives , know that you do not support this tremendous spending, back room partisan Bills, Bailouts, Cap and Trade, National Health Care, pressure on Companies to do as he demands, the un-qualified Zars, Stimulus Bills that had urgency, but only 7.7% has been used and the rest slated for years in the future, and the list goes on. The American peole are not stupid and this is not a Democratic, Republican, or Independent issue, it is an Issure for every American who wants the freedoms that our Constitution has given us, who wants the opportunity for the American Dream for their Children, Grandchildren, and Great Grandchildren. It is time to take our COUNTRY BACK FROM WASHINGTON!!

  • the mackdaddy

    Thank you, Al, for speaking out.

  • John S

    Wow you right wing nut cases are so far in the crapper it isn’t funny. What is your approval rateing about 20%. Hey, reach down amoung the wads of toilet paper at the bottom of the out house, and see if you can find some sour grapes that haven’t been digested. You freaks are a joke. Dont be concerned with Frankin why don’t you spend some time rounding up some of those Christian Governers that are screwing women every where that are not their wifes, and those living in the secret christian house in DC and spank them. So much for triditional family values. You right wingers are all a bunch of hypocrites. But then we knew that didn’t we. Now Shut up I’m glad as hell the Dems have the triple crown. We dare not trust a right wing nut with anything.

    • bruce

      Are you saying the Democrats are virtuous? WHere the hell have you been for 50 years? Look at the leaders of the Democrat party and please tell me which of them you are so proud of that you hold them up as examples?
      Kennedy? Clinton? Pelosi? Reid? Barney (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT)? Schumer? Dodd? How about those Czars?
      Is it the money that has you so enamored? Is it the fact that since your Boob was elected, after never having a real job managing anything, he has spent more money than ALL OF THE PRESIDENTS BEFORE HIM IN HISTORY? Money, by the way that has not been collected yet and will take generations to repay. Is that why you think Democrats are the pinnacle of virtue? How much are you getting?

    • bfrank

      That was well put. It’s nice to hear the truth for a change.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      You are either a sore winner, or a whack job, or a combination of the two. Dial back the caffeine.

  • Smilee

    # Judy on July 17th, 2009 at 9:31 pm:

    You don’t make a lot of sense Lady.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      For once Smilee, I agree. Unbelievable enough, but I agree.

  • Poptoy

    strong textHey Janice Ball…………Jindel was born on American Soil. He can run for President.

  • Rodhea

    I’ve just been reading through some of the posts here. SMILEY, I just gotta give you the first raspberry award. This is your post.

    SMILEY SAYS: re: Dave’s comment about Obama’s birth certificate and not being a citizen.

    Dave the supreme court put an end to this when it would not hear this silly lawsuit, its all over and done with, the effort failed, the burden of proof was on the guy who filed the lawsuit and and not Obama. So why should he furnish it. Have you read this lawsuit, I have it really is a big joke, no evidence just a lot of accusations with nothing to back it up . See any evidence on the net, I have not, don’t you think if there was some it would be on every conservative websight on the net and then maybe others might take it serious. It is a dead horse when you going to quit beating it????

    Okay SMILEE here is my reply to your comment:

    Obviously you’re not very adept at searching the internet either. Do you have any idea how the cases concerning Obama’s citizenship/natural born citizen eligibility got to the Supreme Court? It doesn’t look like it from your post. If you did, you would know there were at least three that reached the Supreme Court. Yes, the Supreme Court refused to hear each of them, but not because they thought they lacked merit (they did not agree to hear the merit in the cases). And not because they agree or disagree with the cases. The Supreme Court receives several thousand requests a year to hear cases, but only have time to hear from 100-150 each year. Some have progressed through the district courts and the appropriate circuit court of appeals, but many are submitted bypassing the lower courts because the plaintiffs seek an immediate relief based on the fact circumstances ( I won’t relay the details of how that is allowed). This is what happened in these cases just before the election. They were requesting injunctions to delay the election or the electoral process until ‘That One’ was determined to be a natural born citizen or even a citizen. Had the Supreme Court agreed, they would have then heard the merits of the case(s). Again, their refusal to hear the merits does not mean they agree or disagree because they have not heard the merits yet. The cases then return to the level they were at in the court system. These cases may end up back at the Supreme Court regardless of who prevails in the lower courts. SO, for your info SMILEE – it is not over, so don’t get so cocky just yet. You need to take your own advice and search the internet for proof of your own remarks first. By-the-way, there is plenty of evidence (and withholding of evidence) which the courts must decide to hear or not – you just didn’t look very hard to find it. Do your own research SMILEE, I’m not going to list it for you. Go back and read the case(s) and look for the evidence pertaining to each accusation. See if you can find out if each accusation about interviews, or fake documents posted on the net, or the particular laws that apply concerning citizenship are evidence of non-citizenship etc. (Hints: look for an audio tape and transcript of an interview with Obama’s Kenyan grandmother about where he was born – also look for a video(s) made by PHD Ron Polarnik (pseudo-name due to threats against his life). There is much more also. Do YOUR homework before you make misstatements about no evidence the charges are true.

    Raspberry #2 is for Average Joe

    This is Average Joe’s comment:

    Dear Mr. President Please find below my
    suggestion for fixing America’s economy Instead of giving
    billions of dollars to companies that will squander the money on lavish parties
    and unearned bonuses, use the following plan You can call it the
    Patriotic Retirement Plan There are about 40 million people over
    50 in the work force. Pay them $2 million apiece severance for early retirement
    with the following stipulations
    1) They MUST retire or start a new business. Forty
    million plus new job openings – Unemployment fixed
    2) They MUST buy a new
    American CAR. Forty million cars ordered – Auto Industry fixed
    3) They MUST either buy a house or pay off their mortgage – Housing Crisis
    Fixed. It can’t get any easier than that If more
    money is needed, have all members of Congress and their cronies pay their
    taxes..
    The economy could be fixed for under 100 million dollars….and they have already spent how much with no results?Who’s interests are our elected officials looking after?…Certainly not ours.
    ‘They say, “The road to ruin is paved with good intentions.” and we keep making potholes.’

    This is my reply to Average Joe’s comment:
    Just shut up You posted a spam email comment that smacks of stupidity. Did you bother to think to mulitiply 40 million people times 2 million dollars each. Gee, let’s see what happens. 40,000,000 x 2,000,000 = 80,000,000,000,000 Let me spell that out for you Eighty Trillion Dollars. Duh? Solve the problem for less than a 100 million dollars – yeah right – way to go Einstein!!!! Stop believing everything you see in emails.

    Raspberry # 3 for Staats9

    Staats9 replied to Average Joe:
    *YOUR SO WRIGHT
    *

    My comment for Staats: Same as for Average Joe Duh! I won’t comment any further about the improper words in your reply.

    My last raspberry is for bruce

    I won’t repeat all bruce said here, but here is part of it:

    *Here’s an idea: Let’s just take the country and divide it (like we’re not already!) along the red/blue lines roughly and we’ll have the Socialist States of America for the left and the Capitalist States of America for the right. You who want to work for the State and receive what they’ll allow you to have, go live up in those states, we’ll keep freedom, and capitalism, low taxes, smaller gov’t. We can part friends and wish you good luck and happiness, but you will not be able to take money from our registers any more. You’ll need to make your decision and move accordingly. Once you’ve decided, it’s over.
    How’s that sound?
    *

    Here is my reply to bruce’s comment:

    Do you live with Average Joe? It seems so. You are also using parts of a spam email as your own comments. How about some original thinking?

    • bruce

      I have no idea what you are talking about, wiseass, with regard to the spam comment. I did write that myself, period. Dont hurt yourself patting yourself on the back as you congratulate yourself as some sort of self-appointed intellectual.

      My post was somewhat of a joke. I do think though, that we are reaching such a divide with such incompatable philosophies that there is a HUGE problem brewing. Extreme leftists want socialism. Why? Beats me, it has NEVER WORKED ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD! In fact, this week the extreme left that is now in control of Congress and the WHite House, thanks to a largely ignorant voting populous, is proposing socialized medicine, which we all know does not work. The great liberal state of Mass has a system now that is almost identical to what is in this bill. THAT STATE SYSTEM IS IMPLODING AS WE WRITE TODAY! IT DOES NOT WORK!!!! HOWEVER, these same uneducated dips that elected this group are in favor of it, and why do you suppose that is? I think it’s because they know that they dont have to pay for it, since they dont contribute to the US TREASURY. At least $42 million Americans dont pay taxes.
      RODHEA, since you like math, why dont you enlighten us all and tell us what would happen if those free-loaders paid just $100 per month into the system (of course many of them need to go to work to do that). Now, how much of the deficit spending do you think could be reduced by simply requiring this minimal investment in their own damn country? TOO MUCH? They spend that much on movies, shoes and jewelry. BS, they might just give a damn about where the money is going if they’re contributing a small part of it. The idea of allowing people who dont contribute anything to the country to VOTE FOR THE WHORES in Congress is exactly what’s wrong with our system–that is a simple fact that I’ll bet half the people on the blog will REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE. When all it takes is a vote to get the gov’t to steal from others and give to them, those non-contributors will bid for the whore every time. If you’re on the government handout wagon, you should not have a say in the way it is run. I know this is politically incorrect, and I dont care. Political correctness is the enemy!!! COMMON SENSE BUILT THE COUNTRY YOU HAVE ENJOYED, NOT POLITICAL WHORES! We are in deep trouble when all people care about is what is the gov’t going to do for me and which of the candidates is promising me the most handouts?! That is a system that history has proven WILL FAIL. Do you math again, prick. Then check my history reference.

    • Smilee

      Rodhea on July 18th, 2009 at 3:53 am

      I am aware of all three but only cited one, what you fail to say about them is they were all dismissed by the lower courts for lack of standing and were not heard in any court and by not hearing them or sending them back to the lower courts the supreme court in effect leaves the lower courts findings of no standing, standing and they then are now still in effect and these cases are in fact now dead, they cannot be brought back unless the Supreme Court agrees to reexamine their first refusal to hear them which they can do but only a fool would think they would in a suit than cannot even establish standing. Rarely are there cases that bypass the lower courts and this is reserved only big cases in what they perceive as an emergency for cases like the Bush v Gore that was heard that way on one of the instances. But that was not in these cases although they may have tried that to but apparently then denied that too. In these law suits no court took them serious or addressed them because they lacked standing and the plaintiffs were unable to argue against that effectively. Without standing and the Supreme court not ruling to change that it is in fact all over and done with. HISTORY, They are going no where else but to the scrap heap and also many lawyers not a party to or supportive of this effort (impartial) have made comments to that effect on the net, somehow you missed those. I do not know if they made any attempt to convince any attorney general’s office to pursue criminal charges but not having heard anything about that they either did not try or could not convince any prosecutor a crime had been committed. I suppose someone else could file a new law suit but I doubt they would get any further. It has been pretty well established by the vital statistics office in Hawaii who have examined their own records upon many requests and found that their records on his birth are official and also verified that he was in fact born in Hawaii. Are you also so silly as to believe that video which is a big fake and everybody knows its and nothing more than just more conservative fiction. If there was any real documentation as to this being even a little bit true then documentation with documents documenting that would be posted all over the conservative websites and in the news big time and I’d bet money you would be waving them in my face and not trying to convince me and not by trying to sound so authoritative when in fact you are really just full of BS and do not really understand how the courts really work but you may convince some here who do not understand them as many here want to believe any lie about Obama to feed their biases. I’ll give you credit though you did present a fairly impressive effort never the less you are just another phony conservative which is even worse than a real conservative as I suspect you know you are phony.

  • Dolores Smith

    I am being held political prisoner in an open air prison in Dawson Creek B.C.Canada.
    Two murders happened.Natasha Dostal and Clayton Desjarlais.They lead to Stephen Harper .Prime Minister of Canada.cdf1.ca…is where the story is.Your government is aware of what is happening here.1045 118 th ave dawson creek B.C.
    HARPER IS A HELLS ANGEL.THIS IS NOT A JOKE……..

    • Smilee

      Bet your glad this is not the middle of winter.

  • Robin, Arcadia, IN

    Norm… Do you have to be so nasty?

    • Norm

      We don’t need more voodoo economics we need to balance the budget. The high rollers earning millions/per year need to belly up to the bar and pay for their good fortune. These greedy sobs, most working for publicly owned (as in you and me) cos. are traiters in the truest sense. They are unregulated and out of control. The government can’t regulate their pay but it can tax them.

  • http://duped Peter Melville

    If you knew joe like I know joe. Yes you can know what is inside a person by what comes out in their words and actions. The Franken types are far too proud to admit having any weaknesses or faults. So they obfuscate and re-invent themselves. I.E. Franken will now on cue show his serious side. Actually Smilee you engage in more frequent and outlandish specualtion than I. He who covers his sin will not prosper.

  • http://duped Peter Melville

    The liberals like Franken will work hard to strengthen the law as they claim to have for 30 years. Actually they have weakened the law and made it easier to get away with crime. The have strengthened it for the criminal and are now chipping away at our rights and freedom. Using the government to acheive some kind of Michael Jackson like transormation, the end product is a grotesque figure neither man or woman.

  • mark AD

    Negativity will only lead to failure.history has proven that.Whether you Repubs like it or not. Dems worn and that is the fact and reality.Wake up menn! you are not dreaming.Stop calling God because He is not in the business of Imposing one ideas over the other.God gave us the power to choose.You are free to choose what you like,stop bring God into this.But God said we should pray for our leaders to do right.Hating Obama will not change God’s purpose for the nation.If you loose,accept it and work on your failures,next time you can win.You do not win by attacking people,but by attacking issues.tell us why you think you ideas are better.maybe i can support you but as far as i can see,you all are haters,proud and ignorant.The kingdom of God have no place for such. people like you have not place in the future.go back to the past where you think the world is yours. Allow others space!

    • DaveH

      Mark,
      If you really believe in God, then you must be familiar with these:
      You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
      You shall not steal.

  • brian julius

    You article is nothing but a distortion of facts. Where were you when the Supreme Court gave George Bush the presidency in 2000?. The good news is that the America people are far wiser than you thought and they no longer listen to people like you. Learn from the last election.

    brian

  • Shawn

    It is not just Franklin, LOOK AT ALL OF THE IDIOTS IN WAHSINGTON! ACORN PUT OBAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE! IT IS TIME TO START THE SECOND REVELOTION TO WIN BACK THE USA NOW! Ihave many ideas and plans on how we can! PLEASE feel FREE to write me at WINBACKTHEUSA@yahoo.com

    • Rita

      Who is Franklin? Benjamin Franklin died many years ago.

      What is a revelotion? Is that like hand lotion or maybe a revelation?

      Where is Wahsington?

      You need help. Not all of the idiots are in Wahsington.

      We had terrorists arrested and convicted in our state recently. Are you going to start your own group? Let’s hope the money we spend on “Homeland Security” is well spent finding traitors who want a violent overthrow. That is not what you have in mind, is it?

      • FarRightWinger

        Easy Rita, easy. He has the right to express his opinion, just like you do. Remember, what you fight for? The lost freedoms of speech, expression and religion. We are now violently crucified, arrested and treated as terrorists, only to have different opinion on Washington Criminals. Yes, they are bunch of idiots and sell-outs for $$$.
        WE, THE PEOPEL HAVE NOT JUST THE RIGHT, BUT THE DUTY TO OVERTHROW A GOVERNMENT IN THIS COUNTRY, IF IT BECOMES AGAINST THE PEOPLE… And this NObama regime IT IS!

        • Smilee

          FarRightWinger Reply:
          July 19th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

          Unfortunately you have that right too (WORDS REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT)

  • Roberta Whitaker

    If all of you knew as much as you think you knew, then there would be nothing else to learn. We just continue to throw shots at each other. Mr. Wood is a Right Wing Ultra Conservative that will never be satisfied with anything Obama or anyone on the Dems side accomplish. So much hate. Al Franken won fair and square which surely, as stated in other comments was not afforded to Al Gore. What a shame that was.

    • Al

      You wouldn’t know fair and square if it hit you in the face, so do yourself a favor and get back on your meds. The shame is that carbon life forms like you exist and this nation is paying dearly for it. If you do care to entertain responding to my comment, don’t bother. I vowed long ago not not get involved in a battle of wits with an unarmed Neanderthal! To think I served as have millions before and after me so we could watch as mindless lemmings march in lock step behind a criminal impostor in an effort to bring America down.
      NOT ON OUR WATCH!

      Neither party is worthy of a single vote, Bush was a train wreck but can’t hold a candle to the sick, evil, illegitimate usurper in chief he enabled. Our government is one colossal criminal enterprise, the Oval Office has become the throne of the puppet and the illegal one occupying it now is the weakest excuse for a life form I have ever witnessed. The rest of the world is rolling in the aisles laughing at the buffoon you helped elect. All respect for America has been lost. You spineless sell out cowards make me sick.

      • Vicki551

        Except for this line “the weakest excuse for a life form I have ever witnessed.”, I agree with every word you wrote. Time will tell if you and I are right or the mind-numbed zombies who will defend this usurper to the end. I fear it will be a hollow victory for us if the country is destroyed in the process.
        We can only trust that God will prevail in the end.

    • Rita

      Roberta,
      Thank you for your good insight. Throwing insults around is not learning anything useful.

      Hatred is not a family value.

      In a democracy, the people are the government and all opinions should be considered.

      Many people prefer demogogues and entertainment to learning and contributing to a better country for all.

      • Smilee

        Welcome to this site, it is a breathe of fresh air to see a thinking person here for a change as so many here are incapable of thinking as you can clearly ascertain form Al’s. psot.

        • FarRightWinger

          Smiley baby, (SENTENCES REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT)
          Kisses; your nightmare

  • Laura Schlegel
  • http://duped Peter Melville

    The democrats are clever I got to hand it to them. The Demos have the playboy senator from MN who stole the election. Burris is illegimate and Obama is not even an American. We have been ripped off for Trillions of dollars. The democrats manufactured the housing bubble by changing the lending rules, in efftect they helped to create the very financial crisis for which Bush was blamed. They seized power to undo the crisis they created. Only trouble is they don’t know what they are doing and America is sinking fast.

  • http://duped Peter Melville

    Let us not forgot whore house operator Barney Franks. Parents lock up your children when he is around.

    • bill

      It was a male whorehouse at that!

  • http://duped Peter Melville

    To say nothing that Obama isn’t even eligible to be president. He was born in Kenya to a white atheist and a Kenyan daddy. How do you say FAKE!

  • Nelson Blanco

    Sore that the American people repudiate the conservatives? Get used to it! Keep on whinning (you are good at it.). Franken stole the election? gimme a break. The republicans spent millions trying to deny the truth but in the end they lost. All of you ignorant believers keep on praying. It is a waste of time but it is your time not mine. The fact is that there is no goddammn god or allah (since they are the same god of the mythical Abraham), christians and muslins are the same. The muslims have Osama been Laden (a devout believer of islam) and the christians have the maffia ( a devout believers of christian dogma. And also terrorists such the one who murdered that abortion doctor. I bet that he was doing god’s work. Of course, murder is one of god’s business wether is being carried in the name of allah or jehova.

  • Concerned

    Democrats are good at stealing elections. That is the only way they can get into office. LBJ was famous for finding enough votes, in Democratic precincts to become the senator from Texas. Al Gore tried the same method in Florida, but thankfully the Supreme Court saw through Al’s effort to steal the White House and stopped him cold.

    Democrats immediately started a “hate Bush” campaign that is still going on and will continue until they die. Democrats don’t like to feel people hate their rush into communism and will not vote for them so they will stuff voting boxes with dead voters ballots, they love a dead Democrat vote as it has helped them stay in office for decades.

    Democrats don’t run as Democrats, and when they are caught in criminal acts, their friends in the media never refer to them as Democratic Congressman or Senator so and so. But if it is a Republican, they have it on the air almost as long as the Michael Jackson blitz lasted.

    There are many Democratic murderers and homosexuals and tax cheats in congress some of whom have had sexual relations with under age pages, or run homosexual dating services out of their homes, yet they still serve and nothing is said about them. if the same thing happened to Republicans, Democrats would demand their expulsion from congress. But no matter how felonious the Democrat, they get to keep their seat. It ought not to be.

    Almost every one of Obama’s Cabinet is a felon, because they refused to pay their taxes. Some members of the Democratic Black Caucus also refused to pay tax but they are still serving in congress and no media outlet asks why they haven’t been kicked out.
    Two reasons, they are Democrats and they have friends in the media.

    This administration is the most corrupt in history, even exceeding Carter’s corruption and Nixon’s corruption. They promised transparency, but have built more walls than in China. They promise one thing, but do another. True to Democratic Policy, “don’t do as I do, do as I say.”

    The next thing on Obama’s agenda is to sign the LOST treaty. THE LAW OF THE SEA TREATY. It will give the United Nations {translate that to Useless Nations} power over our sovereignty. We are in serious with Obama and Gore and Biden running loose. It will take three generations to undo the damage Democrats have already inflicted on America.

    • Bfrank

      Wow get your facts straight. same right wing lies. 14 right wing cheaters in the last ten years. half (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) like cheney daughter. Are real people writhing this garbage and if they are no wonder why this coutry is so messed up. Were are you nuts coming up with this garbage. Whe do need to fix our education system now!

  • FarRightWinger

    bruce Reply:

    July 18th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    WHAT???? This is sarcasm, right? Not sure about you, Dude. Honorable????? Please define. Those (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT)starved and killed millions of people. Are you one of those idiots that thinks that those atrocities never happened?

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    Otherwise, yes, i do NOT believe the ‘hoaxacau$t’ ever happened. Not ’6 million’ – nada. none, zero. zilch. If I am an ‘idiot’ for you, I proudly stand for it!

    • bruce

      And what do you say, Mr. Superior, to those American soldiers who witnessed the death camps when they liberated Europe????

      Please, stop believing the BS from the evil side. That is simply insane. Get some medicine.

      • Smilee

        This may only happen once but this time I do agree completely with you.

        • FarRightWinger

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  • http://google gayle glisson

    Patriot said it very well. Why isn’t it MANDATORY that Obama produce his birth certificate? The Presidential election was an organized farce that has been planned for years and Obama was “groomed” for this socialist takeover of our country. We have a bunch of criminals making their own rules about what THEY want to do to our country and if anyone questions their actions they are “hushed up”. Has anyone noticed this besides me? Obama is pushing his deadlines to get everything in place for a total takeover of our country and our freedom is fading fast. We haven’t had a vote on all the “appointments” Obama has made. America needs to WAKE UP!

  • James Corbin

    Here are some questions:Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20, by his own adission .What passport did he travel under?Did he travel with a U.S., British or anIndonesia. He couldn’t travel with a U.S.passport in 1981–Not possible! Pakistan was on the U.S. State Departments”no travel list in 1981.”When Obama went to Pakistan 1981 he was travling with British or Indonesian passport. If he were travling with a British passport, that would provide truth ,he was born in Keyna on Aug. 4, 1961 not in Hawaii And if he were travling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove he relinquished what ever previous citizenship he held. British or American. Adoped by stepfather1967(Indonesian0 How did he become Naturalborn
    AmericanCitizen between 1981 and 2008 ??????????????

  • Buckeye8

    To Bruce, sorry to break your heart but I worked 47 years before I retired. I will break your heart again as I am proud to say I never worked a job where I did not belong to the union. { I know that is a word the republicans hate } Yes I even get social security which was another gift of the democrats and your man Bush along with every other republican has tried to eliminate it. Just think if we was as dumb as you are we would have put it in wall streets hands and it would now be gone. I wonder if maybe you are from the slave state of SC or better yet Texas. LOL

    • Bfrank

      Of course they hate the word union. It doen’t fit in trickle down. They aren’t smart enought to figure out thats why we are going in debt. the guy they pay $10 an hour and the CEO dont pay tayes.

    • Tom

      Hey buckeye……….Where did the government put it??? Show me the money man. LOL

    • bruce

      Buck,
      Enough, you’ve proven you’re a moron repeatedly. Social Security is broke, and it has been for many, many years. Please look this up. There is no social security trust fund, it’s ALL I.O.U’s that were left there by DEMOCRATS. PLEASE, do some studying of the subject. The DEMOCRATS (socialists) have been stealing from the Social Security system for YEARS to divert the money into other corrupt programs.

      I’m not at ALL surprised you were a union man. The lack of education is quite evident. Unions may have served a good purpose 75 years ago, and in the modern-day America, they are simply a blunt object of socialists.

    • Smilee

      I worked 37 years union and five non union so I understand Buckeye8, let them eat their hearts out, the non union workers at the place I worked at made a lot less than me thus their SS is a lot less because it is based on your income when you worked and my pension is $1000.00 per month more than theirs is, they had a sharp reduction in income when they retired with their combined SS and pension I actually left and received a small increase over my salary when I retired by a combination of the two. Bruce there are less union members to day but go on the department of labor website and see how much more the union are people are making today as opposed to nonunion its a lot less and say nothing about the benefit differential before I retired we paid about half of their cost for a medical plan that had greater coverage’s than their plan. Bruce Still think they are not serving a good purpose today as opposed to 75 years ago, the stats I gave you are current and so are those on the labor website. That 75 year statement is part of the employers propaganda BS that the preach when they want to keep their employees from forming a union. They have perfected the art of that and are able to scare the hell out of those that want a union and their tactics are working for now. You antiunion people who are nonunion eat your hearts out while I enjoy my retirement in real comfort and still add to my savings each month from my pension income which few nonunion retirees can do. Wise people will join a union if they want to improve their lot in life and gain the larger wages and benefits that union members all enjoy.

  • Patriot II

    The 2 party system is real a one party system. The two ride the same horse, all the way to the White House. The elections have been a farce for decades and getting worse by the minute. Most know little to nothing about any candidate involved and can count on any “election period” information to be so intentionally tainted, that even listening to it could prove to be a health risk. The majority of the politians, presently in office, are as trustworthy as a Pit Bull on steroids, that beds up with an old Poodle breed bitch that’s on her way out. For decades, we chose to beleive the lies relating to Communism. We spent billions upon billions and offered up tens of thousands of our youth on the Blood Alters of War to supposedly protect and defend America from the hordes of Communism … all the while being told that Communism could never come to America … and then, all of a sudden, Washington assures the apathetic/complacent masses that “Comminism is Dead!”. Just guess the percentage that bit off a hunk of that B.S.! And in the same day, they start initiating various Communist/Socialist policies and programs like the printer is on full speed. You ask, why do we have 150 or so such policies/programs on the books today? Because “We the People” willingly accepted the “mess”, without so much as a “Where’d this come from?” Nobody bother to check and find out that: When Washington gets something on a roll, they quickly establish a “prescident” that allows them to continue, at will. With their past and present actions, the majority have become a mass of “Sworn Traitors” with the intent of destroying the America we once knew and turning her into a “whipping post” for the world. Those duly sworn to uphold and defend Our Constitution, have the desire to reduce it to toilet paper. The Bible that was once used as a Cornerstone for this Nation, they seek to reduce it to the Anti-Semetic material that they charge it to be. We can no longer “think” as we choose and assuredly cannot speak as we wish. Our freedoms are rapidly being reduced to nothing. Friends, as anyone who has left a country being overthrown by the Communist and listen to what they say. Find the right news sources, while you can. Find those that understand the spiritual aspects of Christianity and learn how to pray properly and beneficially, also learn about Spiritual Warfare. Herein is our true enemy … the “spirit” within the man. There is only good and evil. At this point, evil is on the rise and is clearly visible, if you know what to look and listen for.
    Talk is cheap! True Patriotism and the Hand of God is what we must have to come out on top!

    • bruce

      Yes Sir, I agree and I think you’ve said it well.

  • Patriot II

    The 2 party system is real a one party system. The two ride the same horse, all the way to the White House. The elections have been a farce for decades and getting worse by the minute. Most know little to nothing about any candidate involved and can count on any “election period” information to be so intentionally tainted, that even listening to it could prove to be a health risk. The majority of the politians, presently in office, are as trustworthy as a Pit Bull on steroids, that beds up with an old Poodle breed bitch that’s on her way out. For decades, we chose to beleive the lies relating to Communism. We spent billions upon billions and offered up tens of thousands of our youth on the Blood Alters of War to supposedly protect and defend America from the hordes of Communism … all the while being told that Communism could never come to America … and then, all of a sudden, Washington assures the apathetic/complacent masses that “Comminism is Dead!”. Just guess the percentage that bit off a hunk of that B.S.! And in the same day, they start initiating various Communist/Socialist policies and programs like the printer is on full speed. You ask, why do we have 150 or so such policies/programs on the books today? Because “We the People” willingly accepted the “mess”, without so much as a “Where’d this come from?” Nobody bother to check and find out that: When Washington gets something on a roll, they quickly establish a “prescident” that allows them to continue, at will. With their past and present actions, the majority have become a mass of “Sworn Traitors” with the intent of destroying the America we once knew and turning her into a “whipping post” for the world. Those duly sworn to uphold and defend Our Constitution, have the desire to reduce it to toilet paper. The Bible that was once used as a Cornerstone for this Nation, they seek to reduce it to the Anti-Semetic material that they charge it to be. We can no longer “think” as we choose and assuredly cannot speak as we wish. Our freedoms are rapidly being reduced to nothing. Friends, as anyone who has left a country being overthrown by the Communist and listen to what they say. Find the right news sources, while you can. Find those that understand the spiritual aspects of Christianity and learn how to pray properly and beneficially, also learn about Spiritual Warfare. Herein is our true enemy … the “spirit” within the man. There is only good and evil. At this point, evil is on the rise and is clearly visible, if you know what to look and listen for.
    Talk is cheap! True Patriotism and the Hand of God is what we must have to come out on top!

  • Dale

    Well I hope that Minnesota is proud that they have
    replaced Florida as the voter fraud or voter stupidity
    capitol of the country. The Land of a Thousand Lakes
    is now the land of a thousand FAKES. Fake voter
    ballots supplied by ACORN that is. The word Minnesota
    is a Sioux Indian phrase meaning “sky-tinted waters”.
    I wonder what the Sioux phrase for voter-tainted
    elections is? First a wrestler, than a comedian. What’s
    next? A mime? Actually if the mime politician is as
    stupid as the Minnesota constituents, that may not
    be a bad idea.

  • FarRightWinger

    Best-selling author and Fox News analyst Dick Morris calls ACORNcracked.com a “one-stop clearinghouse to gain important intelligence on ACORN. It is a useful resource in exposing ACORN and its agenda unlike anything I’ve seen.”
    ACORN is America’s KGB, NKVD, Securitate and STASI. It has to be bring down by any means along with the anti-American ACLU!

    If you like what ACORN did to create the housing credit crisis, you’ll love how its leaders want to create health care “equality.” Visit ACORNcracked.com to learn more about ACORN’s radical agenda for America, its bankrollers and allies, and its lurid plans for the American health care system.

    The sad truth is that a radical, left-wing organization like ACORN is actually affecting public policy, pushing America further down the slippery slope toward European-style socialism. ACORN alumni like President Obama and White House Director of Public Affairs Patrick Gaspard are busy enacting the organization’s agenda, beginning with health care.

    http://www.ACORNcracked.com is designed to keep a finger on the pulse of this type of activity and alert the American people and media.

    The new website exposes ACORN’s history, which has resulted in lawsuits in 14 states involving alleged election law violations. It also examines the group’s continued campaigns against American companies, its financial supporters within the federal government, and its breathtaking strategy of seizing and occupying private property.

    ACORN engages in campaigns against American companies by demanding money in exchange for “protection” against its own protests, ambushes, and PR campaigns. ACORN is so good at that type of racket, it would make Al Capone blush. This type of activity has to stop.
    ACORN gets away with it because our elected leaders look the other way.

    Congressman John Conyers (D-MI) recently promised Americans he would investigate ACORN, but flip-flopped two months later, saying the “powers that be” blocked it.

    We demand to know the identity of the “powers that be” that would block such a sensible inquiry. They obviously exist within the federal establishment, as the money trail tells us. According to Fox News, ACORN has secured “upwards of $53 million in federal grants since the early 90s.”

    And what ACORN activities are funded with that money? As you’ll find on ACORNcracked.com, they repossess foreclosed homes by breaking in, trespassing and encouraging people to illegally squat there.

    In Baltimore, an ACORN member proudly cut the padlock off a foreclosed home in front of local TV cameras and proclaimed, “This is our house now!”

    Activities of this kind, supported by the “powers that be,” can only continue if the American people turn the other cheek. We need your help to continue exposing ACORN, its agenda and its allies.

    There is a growing body of research regarding ACORN, shining light on the questionable activities of the organization, but no single clearinghouse for all of the accumulated information. That’s what ACORNcracked.com is designed to be.

    And the more financial resources that the site can gather, the more ammunition we at the Education Action Fund will have to further investigate and expose ACORN’s alarming misuse of the public funds it receives.

    An Allegheny County judge recently ordered 7 former ACORN workers to stand trial in connection with “elections law violations. “Somebody has to go after ACORN,” Senior District Judge Richard H. Zoller said, according to the Tribune-Review. “We will,” was the reply from a county detective.

    We will, too, your honor.

    • Smilee

      I see the bigot is still shooting his mouth off!!

      • FarRightWinger

        Yes (COMMENT REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) Thanks for reading my postings!

        • Smilee

          does anyone “Need your mouth”?? I guess some do I just talked to a black man who said your mouth is good for some things, he liked it. The TRUTH, that’s got to be the JOKE of the day coming from you, just so you know I don’t answer or comment on fiction or BS, as you are incapable of understanding reasonable and honest discourse.

  • Mike Snyder

    It seems ro me that a true patriot would uphold the Constitution and the laws of the United States and the several states, including the laws and regulations governing the conduct of elections. If so, it would seem to follow that only a traitor would embrace an organization that would buy votes, register voters multiple times, register dead men, and Mickey Mouses, and that only a traitor would conspire to promote and fund such an organization and put it in charge of a census to gerrymander congressional districts. Please don’t refer to our President or to any of the senators or congressmen who support Acorn as “patriots.” I’ll puke on my shoes.

    • bruce

      Attaboy, Mikee. These Democrats are INTENTIONALLY BLIND. There’s NO WAY to justify the BS and the theivery going on in Congress and this White House. Bring on 2010. If every true patriot will watch and educate others as to what is going on with the Census and Acorn to fix elections, this nation’s law-abiding majority will stand up and stop this BS cold.

      Once they’ve fixed the election districts and broken the US Treasury, with the blessing of these idiot Democrats, they’ll come after your guns. Mark my words and watch the process, led by the Great Deceiver, Obama with the Speaker who operates in “back rooms” dirty politics, like shoving bills down our throats while no one can read their bills. This is such that no Republican would be allowed to do. It’s a system of the superiority of the non-productive that socialists just love.

      • Smilee

        Take a break you been writing to long and not longer make any sense.

  • JanO

    For those that think the issue of Obama’s Real Birth Certificate is over, think again. Have you not taken note of the incident of the soldier that was ordered to go to Afghanistan? He filed a complaint that he does not have to go as Obama is not our Commander in Chief legititmally as he has not furnished proof of Birth. He won the suit & his orders were rescinded. Hopefully that is just the begiining & we should pray because if he is unseated, all bills he has signed will be null & void.

  • Ed

    Why are most Democrats really ugly in appearence. Is that part of the requirement to get elected?

    • Jim

      Now we know the kind of people we have on the right. Keep up the good work, you’ll do great things with comments like this. I now have faith in America.

      • Ed

        Is that the real reason why Dems hate Palin, Huh?

        • Jim

          Need I say more?

    • Smilee

      Ed on July 19th, 2009 at 10:24 am

      ED

      NO!! Votes alone gets the job done, majority rules!!

      We actually love Palin and felt when she came on the scene last fall, we felt assured we would win and you know what, WE DID!! Bring her on again in 12 and then you have made sure we will see another landslide like 64 for Obama.

      • Ed

        Sure Smilee, Even if you guys cheat all the way, it’s O.K., the majority rules right! Let’s see, keep the boarders open so all kinds of illegal trash can come right in and suck on the Mother’s milk of welfare, let’s sign them up for the Motor Voters’ Bill and they instantly become Democrats, let’s give them free emergency health care and a free education and don’t forget to give them the job preferences and last but not least, do not prosecute them for any crimes that they commit. I won’t even get into the thug group Acorn and their Messiah, but this is only a partial list of the U.S.A. that you and your thong wearing liberals pals want to live in, so keep going down that road until you get both (WORDS REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT). America is coming back sooner then you think!

        • Smilee

          Poke a little fun at you right wingers and off you go on a tangent rantin and ravin and spewing that same old conservative fiction that never makes much sense to a normal person, we know you are still smarten from the election and that elections have consequences, come on,,, don’t you think its time to get over it

  • http://TheGreatestThreat uponroof

    The two party system has failed….those who continue to practice it are by definition insane. As a true conservative I despise what the republican party has become. As for the democrats, well they’ve moved so far to the left that if John F Kennedy, their patron saint, was alive today his policies would be considered those of an extreme ‘right winger’.

    If you haven’t noticed we’re moving steadily to the left day and night, night and day. Like gravity the pull never stops. Why? because it’s the path of least resistance…everything is allowed, no restraints or control. Man believes he is god and knows what’s best and so we continue to search for it in everything except what the true God advises.

    At this rate we will be allowing sex and marriage with animals in 10 years. Progressive?…that’s a rather kind word for it.

    There’s a reason we look back to the simpler more rewarding lifestyle of the 50′s. One income families which allowed the mother to stay at home with her children. Progressive philosophy scorns the thought of a mother living out what God designed her for.

    And so as we continue searching for the happiness which seems so fleeting we destroy ourselves in the process. Obama will usher in misery like never before imagined, but it will be explained away, just as every other government generated misery is, through partisan blame games.

    Again I say wake up, look at the trend, it’s not good. To think that those responsible for this current mess are the answer is nothing less than insane. An outsider with unfettered and clear resolve is required immediately. Do you really think such a leader can be found in the totally corrupted, via lobbyists and favors, two party system? It is a disaster beyond repair… those who think different results are just around the corner need to check themselves into their nearest mental health facility. It’s over. The time for drastic change (government contraction not expansion) is now!

    May God bless this country, despite those that would by their reckless actions destroy it.

    • Smilee

      Your definiton of insane and that coming for a person who has been out in the sun upon the roof to long.

    • bruce

      Uponroof,

      If only we had the common sense and backbone to stand up to the leaders in our Congress and White House. The Congress has the lowest ratings of any in HISTORY of our country, yet they continue to shove this stuff through on party votes. Listen, I have been PO’d at Republicans too over the last 10 years, for NOT SHRINKING THE GOV’T, reducing spending, limiting Gov’t, increasing opportunity and for not protecting our borders from illegal immigration, which is draining the state’s and federal budgets! The air must be very thin in DC or poisoned or something. We should CLEAN HOUSE, FIRE THEM ALL AND START OVER with elected officials who agree to TERM LIMITS. The professional politician should be made a thing of the past.

      • Smilee

        Bruce reread your first sentence, your admission of not having any common sense or backbone is refreshingly honest and not typical of you. Congratulations!! Actually it was last fall that congress was at its lowest, better now and the dems now get a higher rating than the republicans while last fall it was about the same but admittedly it is still low for both..

  • Buckeye8

    Poor Bruce he just don’t get it, sounds like to much Rush Drugball and Hannity along with Silly Ann. Check closer to see who has stolen the SS money. The R party put up what they called their elite man Coleman and we beat him with an ex-clown. That is what the American voters now think of the R party after 8 years of “POLICIES AND CORRUPTION OF THE BUSH ADM” The first Bush said read my lips no more taxes so he took money out of the SS fund to pay off his rich friends and the second Bush used it all so yes it is all IOU’S but they took up to 9% out of my check for 47 years. Now Drugball and the R party says I am freeloading. We are quickly voting out all of the republican trash so your party as you know it no longer exists. L.O.L.

    • bruce

      Buckeye, You’re simply ignorant of facts. It’s plainly evident. THe Social Security Fund has been broke, operating on deficit, with the funds “borrowed” for MANY years, WAY before Bush!!! It was done by the Democrats that controlled Congress for 40 years. This is simply the fact. Man, I know you loons are insane with hate for Bush (something I find odd, since the man went along with spending money like a Democrat, which I criticized him for), but throwing blame for all things bad in America does not make sense. These problems have been around since before W was a Governor! Look at the policies and how long they have been causing problems and that should tell you something. The fiscal problems in the country have been around for decades. Look at the growth of the national debt (try not to confuse this with deficit) and who controlled the Congress during those years. During wartime, by the way, it is pretty normal to have deficit spending. The problem is that we have not had the discipline as a nation to stop the stupid spending, like growing “entitlements” in order to get elected by boobs who think of themselves above their country, and growing gov’t for the sake of growing party power, by political whores who place the party above the country. I’m serious. This is the problem. We had better start thinking of what is right for the country FIRST, or there will be no country, no freedom, no opportunity. I’m as serious as death. I believe that with all my heart. We have to get on the same side, that being to build and protect our freedoms and our economy and stop the drain on the treasury in MANY ways. First, I’d suggest we get rid of the whores in Congress. Jefferson said “first, kill the lawyers.” I think he’d have already participated in revolution after meeting the scum we have in our Congress!! How can we expect to succeed when we elect dirtbags to Congress?? People, stand up for your country! Show some backbone and fight the Marxists taking your freedoms, fixing elections, stealing your nation’s treasury from you and your kids. Draw a line in the sand and tell them to back the hell off your healthcare system! They cant run the VA Hospitals! They cant run Medicare and Medicaid! Why the hell does anyone believe they can run the entire system?? And you believe Obama when he says he can save money doing it??? What gov’t program can you name that saved money?? This is about control, plain as day, people.

    • bruce

      I get it. It’s a problem of everyone with the “me first” attitude, and they’ll go along with any jackass crook, like Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Reid, etc. who promises them more. Look, I give 16% of my damn earnings to that same system, but there’s no money there! They’ve been using it for other purposes, like, well, name your favorite gov’t waste program/story. If it was actually managed to give us back our money with earning, that would be one thing, but this is not the case.
      It is a typical poorly planned and executed Gov’t program, just like most of them.
      The class warfare thing seems to be your real mentality/orientation. I’m telling you the program is BS/INSOLVENT. They keep saying that it will be broke is 2024 or something close to that, but what they MEAN is the obligations will be so large (since it’s a giant negative balance on loan to the US Gov’t) that the payouts will be too large for the workers of the country to pay. Mathematics just ain’t the Congress’s strongsuit, OK? We would be better off if it never existed, seriously. The gov’t just keeps on growing based on funny money budgeting, and this things gonna pop soon, since people will, in a bad economy, NOT be able to pay in what has been paid in before. We’ve had economic expansion since Reagan. We should have been paying our debt down during that time. We have not done that, but instead have, whenever the tax revenue stream went higher, expanded gov’t programs and departments (by the way, how many Czar’s do we have now, and how many people work for those Czars?) and spent more and more money. NOW, the economy is tanking, mostly due to false mortgage lending crap that Clinton expanded to “improve blighted areas with home ownership”, which basically penalized Banks if they did not lend money to people who did not qualify for loans under normal banking practices and underwriting. The Dems who were responsible for “oversight” would not reign it in (follow the money here) after repeated warnings about the danger of the risks that were being taken. This caused a banking crisis when the mortgagors started defaulting in huge numbers, leaving banks with an imbalance of performing vs non-performing assets (loans) on their books. Therefore, the banks were in violation of regulations and on the verge of failure. Now, this threw the whole economy into a tailspin by scaring the hell out of everyone that some of the largest banks in the US were insolvent (ala 1929) and everyone reacted by shutting down spending/expansion plans, dumping stocks, etc. With a tanking economy, the tax revenues go DOWN, so we have to cut spending right? WRONG! Obama and the Dems have passed a budget that spend more money than has been spent by ALL FORMER ADMINISTRATIONS IN HISTORY. Look this up, please. This is really what has happened and it is continuing to happen, only now we’re expanding government and spending insane amounts at the worst possible moment. HOW CAN YOU DEFEND THIS GOING FORWARD?

      • Smilee

        Gez. Bruce you’re chasing you tail and running in circles, half way though your mess I got no dizzy watching it I had to quit and never got to Finnish it but then it did not make much sense anyhow.

        • bruce

          Oh, Smiley, you dont think anyone’s surprised that you cant read and interpret meaning, do you? Seriously? You’ve already stated enough for us to have predicted that. Read it slowly again. It is all true and it has been well documented as truth. If you dont understand it, but always choose to believe the socialist lines of the Democrat leaders, you will always be thinking and deciding under false assumptions–many of which you’ve spouted here.

          Try to follow it again. I may have gotten carried away in the sequence of points, as it is VERY DISTURBING what Dem’s are doing to the USA, but it is facts–something the liberals in this country avoid at all costs. The impact of liberal policy to the treasury and economy, not to mention taking American’s rights away is DESTRUCTIVE. No sane, educated person would deny that.

        • Smilee

          Oh I can read it and I did go back and read it still makes no sense what so ever and is nothing more than conservative prattle based on complete fiction, that is the only thing you ditto heads are really good at. Sad

      • eyeswideopen

        Bush passed on a trillion deficit, largest in history… are you not reading any news? Here’s a flash for you, in 1995 during clinton’s admin, the reps had control of both houses in congress. Yep, then Bush had control of both houses untill 2007. That is a total of 12years straight in a row of control for us republicans to totally trash the economy of the country….and guess what? Wall street wanted those credit defaults, greed was the reps mantra.

  • http://StolenElections Pat

    You boobs that think BO actually won that election are living in a false bubble. The only reason the libs hated Bush was because they tried to steal it with Gore and Kerry the same way they did with BO. They couldn’t understand how GW was winning when they fixed it all. However they perfected by this time. Even with knowing about the thugs from ACORN and Wright, Ayers, Mishy and the like they were allowed to continue. They should’ve been cuffed and arrested at the get-go.

    • Smilee

      “Living in a bubble” yah I guess you are, almost 70 million with almost 10 million more voting for him over the other guys (can you count that many) and have not you noticed he is now living in the white house, a News Flash he got more votes thats why he won the elections, I know thats tuff for a bitter conservative to accept for your denial doesn’t change facts despit all the fiction you toss around.

  • Mike Snyder

    I’ve seen a lot of elections since I first started paying attention in 1950 — skipped school to see Ike on the tail of a campaign train. Cast my first presidential vote for JFK in ’60. Hauled war material to Nam from ’60-’64. I always thought elections were honest ’til I came to Chicago in 1964. I soon learned about the Daley “machine” and its mantra, “Vote Early and Often.” After Lyndon’s disasterous half-assed escalation of the VW, and sick and tired of McNamara and Dean Rusk, I voted for Nixon twice. Never sorry I did. He got us out of Nam and broke the ice with China. Ford is a blur — I was too busy becoming a lawyer. Then comes Jimmy (Lust in his heart) Carter and p’d off that the Russians were trying to kill Osama Bin Laden, he stopped grain sales to the Russians and 30 percent of the towboats and barges were laid up, reducing my revenue by an even greater percent. Then, when I started my own law firm, I found that my tax rate had gone up to 50%, the prime rate had gone to 20%, prices of capital goods had escalated and could not be expensed but had to be depreciated. Further, I had to pay taxes on receivables taken in settlement from my former partners — long before I collected only a part of them. Then a few Iranian radicals humiliated my country and abducted my countrymen and held them hostage for over a year. Thank god Ronald Regan was elected in ’79 — the only time I was tempted to vote twice. And the hostages were released immediately upon his taking office. Things were good and the Berlin wall came down and foreign relations were good — communism was waning. Then George H. acted promptly and nobely in response to Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait, and kicked butt in a hundred or so days. But then comes the young handsome charmer, Bill. Pandering to almost everyone and armed with an economic slowdown and a tax increase, the dems found a cute mantra that struck a nerve with a short-sighted electorate — “it’s the economy stupid.”

    The 1990 election was sad. The dems found it to their advantage to pit class against class, poor against rich, race against race, young against old, and stupid against bright. Clinton (“the first black president”) wasn’t too bad — he reigned in welfare spending — but he also gave North Korea some help with atomic energy (duh) and amended the Communities Reinvestment Act so that federally insured banks had to loan money to persons to buy houses they couldn’t afford with money they didn’t have. This was a welfare and relief act for greedy Wall Street bankers who packaged bad mortgages with good and sliced and diced the bundle into derivatives to the extent that the original mortgagee and mortgagor were sometime indiscernible.
    Bush recognized that the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac portfolios were glutted with garbage and requested the congress to join him in imposing more stringent oversight. But Barney and Chris convinced their cohorts that every thing was rosy, and after the adjustable rate mortgages began kicking in, the housing market flew apart like a dollar watch.

    So, the pandering, the character assasination of W, the divisive class – have-have not, young-old health care discrimination, and the bs “I promise you I won’t raise taxes on the middle class” is deja vu.

    Have the libs never heard of Jorge Santayana?

  • jeff

    I am so proud to have people like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barbara “call me senator” Boxer, Ted “leaving the scene of an accident that left someone dead” Kennedy, and now, Al the clown from Minnesota as representatives in the United States senate. What would you expect from a state that had Jesse the body as their governor. Also, let’s not forget Joe, “we are going bankrupt, so lets spend more money” Biden.

    The more money they take away from me and give to people like Buckeye8, the less control I’ll have in managing my own affairs. This, by the way, is exactly what any good socialist wants. Buckeye8 can continue to do nothing more, but get more. A very good deal for him, and he will continue to vote for the people that give him his freebees. More power to the government, our new ruling class.

    Also, would anyone like to investigate how much money Al Gore is going to make trading carbon credits? He already has a trading company set up to do this. How convenient.

    • Smilee

      Jeff

      If you think for a minute we will believe when you retire you will not draw your SS and use your medicare we know you are a BIG BIG lier. He earned them both and when you get there you will think you did too. Your not smart enough to fool anyone.

  • American Citizen

    We went to a family reunion today and saw a lot of people we know whom we haven’t seen for several years as they live a distance away. it reminds me that even though we don’t see them often, we still love them. And it breaks my heart to see what our government is doing to the future generations.

    Tell your family and extended family how much you love and care about them. We of the older generation may never get another chance. Our tomorrows are numbered as our aches and pains remind us every day.

  • American Citizen

    Mike, my parents were died in the wool Democrats, thus I also cast my first vote for a President for JFK. That was the first and last Democrat I voted for for President. I quickly learned the Democrat way was bad for my paycheck. We had 40 years of Democrat rule and are still paying for it.

    By the way, thank you for your service to our country. I have great respect for our military personnel. My husband served in the army and our oldest served in the navy. I have brothers-in-law and uncles who also served in the military. It saddens me and worries me about how our freedoms are being taken from us under the present administration. We are in grave danger of losing our Constitution. Our school systems have been sadly lacking in giving the children good civics as well as history lessons these last 20 years or so.

  • American Citizen

    Dale, Minnesota is now the land of flakes, A-Corn flakes. I, too, wonder about the people of that state. Who are they? It really troubles me as we have relatives who live there. We don’t know them very well, so can’t tell who they would vote for.

    • Julie

      You have relatives whom you don’t know very well (or how they would vote) yet you are TROUBLED that they live in Minnesota! You obviously know nothing about Minnesota and the people who live here. And that includes Al Franken!

      • cr747

        Al Franken reminds me of Bart Simpson. He needs to be in cartoons, not in Washington in the White House. I am a Democrat, but rest asureard there won’t be FOUR more years of President Obama. 2010 the Republicans will be back in the White House, and, once again things will be back to normal. (other than getting the Democrats spending back to normal) Maybe four terms of Republicans will get us out of hock!!!!

  • James Corbin

    The Islamic Group (terrorist) that attack ed the hotels in Indonesia, is calling for the U.S. to do away with capitalism and rise to Islam. Does this get anyone’s attention?
    Just what Obama is taking us to. He is doing away with capitalism..

  • Smilee

    FarRightWinger on July 18th, 2009 at 8:28 am

    I have found that many far rightwingers are racists, but you take the cake, you are vile and despicable with grossly blatant racism and I hope and pray there is no one on this site that will in any way support this mans filth as it will identify you with him as well.. SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • FarRightWinger

      You are very dumb and probably knows nothing about America as well. It’s nothing wrong with racism. GOD is racist too. If not, He wouldn’t separate and create people in different ways.
      At least, I am proud what I am, but on the other hand, your response is just a blahblahblah. I do NOT need your “praying”, please don’t even think about God, you are a product of liberal-marxist-America, an America which destroyed our freedoms and independence. Studying the Constitution (and not the one is edited by the New York Times) you will realize that yes, I AM RIGHT and you are wrong.
      My views on Race is much more different than yours, but this has nothing to do with the fact that our Country is in deep trouble and NO LONGER can be won back by old schemes, such as “voting” and/or “petitioning”.
      We are on the way – like it or not – to a 2nd Revolution, you might say: a civil war…

      • Smilee

        FarRightWinger

        The only thing you have got right on this blog is your name and we all know they are RADICAL EXTREMISTS. Second Civil War???? I can see tthe headlines now “FarRightWinger shot and killed by black man for shooting off his mouth”

    • cr747

      Shame on you Smilee, it sounds like you would like to go play drop the handkerchief. You are breathing good air. Get a life, and go back to school

  • gary

    The ACORN agencies and those who direct them should be investigated using the RICO statutes. If this is not organized crime, we don’t have organized crime.

    This country is being taken over by men and women with criminal intent. They are the greatest threat this country has ever had to deal with. I believe that it was founding father John Adams who declared that the ” constitution was conceive by a religious and moral people and works well for them. For others it has limitations.” We are controlled by people without morals and are power driven. We are in a lot of trouble.

    • s c

      I don’t know that much about ACORN. It pays to be suspicious. When an organization that is being handed easy money by a new prez, people would have to be worse than stupid not to check it out. Since b o seems to be a disciple of Saul Alinsky (and Stalin and Mao and probably Hitler), I’m betting that this administration will create many disasters.
      Millions of Americans prefer ignorance to citizenship. They aren’t aware that J Edgar Hoover was bold enough to tell America that ‘there’s no such thing as organized crime.’ Maybe Hoover should have become a politician. He would fit right in with this herd.

    • cr747

      Gary, as you know that we have crooks, thieves, tax evaders, and yes we have people in congress that have even killed people,,,, Uh, like Kennedy, and now he wants to break the rules, and get a replacement for him NOW. The rules are to replace someone in congress is to wait five months, but yet because he is a Kennedy, he can break the rules. Come on , give me a break.

  • Concerned

    Your comment to get the facts straight? then you begin to attack me and not with any credibility. Cheney’s daughter was never elected to anything. Since you are commenting on (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT), check which democrats actually have sex with under-age pages before you blow a gasket, and which ones have had homosexual call boys booked from their homes. Then read what is contained in the LOST treaty. After you do that, you may be better able to absorb truth, however, I doubt it since truth always escapes all Democrats like you.

  • http://TheGreatestThreat uponroof

    Speaking of elections…. here’re some interesting statistics

    Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out facts of 2008 Presidential election:

    Number of States won by:
    Democrats: 19
    Republicans: 29

    Square miles of land won by:
    Democrats: 580,000
    Republicans: 2,427,000

    Population of counties won by:
    Democrats: 127 million
    Republicans: 143 million

    Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
    Democrats: 13.2
    Republicans: 2.1

    Professor Olson adds: “In aggregate, the map of the territory won by Republicans was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements with various forms of government welfare.”

    Professor Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the “complacency and apathy” phase of Professor Tyler’s definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation’s population already having reached the “governmental dependency” phase.

    If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal
    invaders called illegal’s and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years

    Pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.

    BTW, I saw an interesting video the other day. It was about two people riding an escalator when all of a sudden it stopped. The people panicked and began screaming for help instead of simply walking up the stairs. You see they believed themselves to be trapped. It was called ‘Democrats on an Escalator’. So sad but so true. Look it up at You tube.

    • http://TheGreatestThreat uponroof

      Yes, save your time… those election stats are a HOAX…but they sure got you checking didn’t they?

      The point is the truth is harder to find than simply debunking through an internet search….

      ….the video, now that’s classic truth if ever witnessed.

    • Smilee

      Not very funny and Olson say as much on his website, you guys this first used these stats for 2000 and again in 2004, you conservatives are gettin quite a large number of those You tube consetvative fiction clips.

  • Mike Snyder

    Fellow conservatives. Many of the dem’s and lib’s blogs are so filled with hate and vulgar vitriol that one is tempted to reply in kind — don’t do it. Be above that – study American history. Learn to express your disatisfaction civilly. Don’t lie — the loudest liar will convince nobody of anything. Be active yet patient. Obama will self destruct –he really gets angry when he doesn’t get his way and its starting to show. There are many good and patriotic lovers of liberty on the demoratic side of the aisle — encourage them to stand up to the Pelosis and Reids. Its starting to happen.

    The great majority of Americans do not pay any attention to these blogs. They may think the idea of free health care for everyone is cool, but when the bill comes or they are denied any care, they’ll turn on a dime. Same thing with “cap and trade,” everyone wants to protect the environment but when the first double sized utility bill comes they’ll run for cover, and when they realize the jobs lost as the utility intensive industries run for cover in China and India, they’ll run for the cover only true small government, tightwad conservatives can provide.

    So take heart, keep learning and joining and marching and protesting and get out the vote for your favorite conservatives. Oh, and btw, don’t try any Bible thumping and Constitution waving at the same time. Never forget that while the First Amendment guarantees a freedom of religion, it concomitantly guarantees a freedom from religion.

    • PATRIOT

      GOOD THOUGHTS, BUT YOU DO HAVE TO ENCOURAGE FAMILY AND FRIENDS TO CONTACT THEIR CONGRESSMEN AS THERE ARE NO LONGER ANY CHECKS AND BALANCES IN WASHINGTON.

      PEOPLE AND CONGRESS ARE FINALLY BEGINNING TO GET THE MESSAGE AND SEE THE WRITING ON THE WALL. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT OBAMA WILL SELF DISTRUCK, BUT WE ALL HAVE TO DO OUR PART TO SPEAK OUT FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE IN.

    • Norm

      Mike
      It’s nice to here from a civilized human.
      I disagree with you on most issues, but there is nothing to be gained from ranting and raving or personaly attacking people.
      If you would read some of the entries posted above, I think you will see that the vast majority of those filled with hate and vulgar vitriol, coupled with unproven allegations, nonsense, and religious extremism are from the far right not the left.
      I agree with you on cap and trade, but health care is another issue. Our present system is incredibly overpriced and is inefficient. We are paying more for less than any civilized country in the world. I’m not sure what the answer is but I’m sure what it isn’t. Continuing with our present system is unsustainable and unacceptable.

  • Mary Anne

    Dear Americans,

    I agree with those who say stop the name-calling and mud-slinging in these replies. A wise general once said, ‘Forget the individual battles with all of the intricacies. Let’s look at the entire map of war, the big picture in this country, to get the true picture.’ Absolutely correct.

    Seems to me that our history books ahve been revised, our emotional reactions have been pre=programmed to be offneded by ANY

  • John the Carpenter

    “mean-spirited, hate-filled, dishonest demagogue Al Franken”

    You HAVE to be kidding?
    No other Senator is more earnest and sincere.

    Take a look back at the 2000 presidential election if you want to talk about “stolen” elections!!!!

    BTW, Rush Limbaugh IS a Big Fat (hate filled) Liar (not to mention a drug addict).

    Let’s talk about ACORN. Why the fear mongering campaign against the largest grass roots organizing organiztion in the country? Is it because the organization is mostly minority? You old school white boys need to check your prejudices and prejudgements at the door. This is a new world, not your old Ozzie and Harriet “utopia”. Better get used to the fact the United States of America is a multi-cultural nation. Your forefathers stole Africns from their families and homes to do your slave labor, no it’s time to let them become productive members of the society that THEY and other minorities built.

    ACORN works hard for fair and equal treatment of all people, not just advantaged white men. We can’t have a great society when we have families losing their homes and unable to feed their families or get decent medical treatment. You can’t just live behind gated communities and make-believe the poverty stricken are not increasing in number because of the bad politics of big corporate greed.

    If one of us is not free, NONE of us are free.

    Where is the Christianity in the Christian Right?
    Greed, hate, distrust, exclusivity, domination of others, is not the teaching of the Christ.
    Better get that straight!

    It’s very sad that people such as yourself see the world in this way. If you see society as a dog eat dog situation, get ready to become kibble, because your day has come and gone.

    • Julie

      Amen!!

    • DianeC2313

      No that would be because of the fraud and deceit. Never fails–when an entity will do anything–laws be damned to get a Dem elected it’s somehow OK. Call that group on their dishonest, illegal activities and someone will scream racism. So predictable.

    • larry

      i am so tired of someone saying that the american people stole the blacks from their homes .. we didn’t do it , their on kind did it and sold them to us .. read your history books ..(SENTENCE REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT)

  • TONY

    We keep hearing that when it comes to stolen elections that we will never know how many fraudulent votes were submitted. It seems to me that the time has come with all the fraud to create a system that permits a way to verify the legality and legitimacy of all votes counted, and to be able to throw out illegitimate votes and install the candidate that actually won. Can’t the best and brightest among us come up with a system that makes sense?

    • Smilee

      MN did pass a law that would do that this year, It would have made it more fraud proof but also was designed to encourage more people to vote and the Governor vetoed it, he was afraid it would encourage more to vote and he feared that would be bad for republicans,

    • Norm

      Tony
      Why is it that whenever a republican loses it’s a stolen election? Those democrats must be pretty damn smart.

    • DianeC2313

      Republicans have pushed for a number of years for voter photo IDs. Dems fight against the very idea that elections need to be more secure and the right to one citizen one vote protected. It would keep them from rounding up all the bums an illegals to get their candidate in office. Doesn’t matter that most citizens feel this is a good idea.

  • Mary Anne

    Dear American Readers,

    I happen to be married to an ex State Senator of two terms, who was also a two-term County Executive, so I feel I have a slight edge by having some insight as to the ‘insider mentality’ in DC.

    Nothing is ever as it appears. My husband was a democrat, having come from a long lineage of democrats but now he is a modified conservative. Why? Because he has observed and learned volumes as to the agenda of those in DC and became more and more dissatisfied with the anomalies occuring in his own party. A few rules of thumb will help to keep in mind when dealing with, and trying to interpret, any of the current problems not only confronting this nation, but confronting us globally. One is to always just observe for a while before making any conclusions. In otherwords, let the dust and grandeur settle. Secondly, watch what our leaders DO versus listening to what they SAY. Lastly, always follow the money trail when wanting to gain the rationale enacted by the ‘powers that be’ when you are searching for accuracy, in most cases.

    As far as this current administration…well, race was obviously a non-issue. Within some of the commentary on this forum, it was intimated that racism remains an major factor. Race was given duly, ample consideration as it apparently was a non-factor when the vote was counted, thusly, if America is racist, how then did we freely vote-in our first African-American President? Hmm. Could we please put that faction of the race issue to rest? If this country wants to discuss racism, we need to address the most genuine of atrocities… the legacy of the American Indian. As far as the African-Americans, our nation has been paying back our forefathers debt of guilt for nearly fifty years now, and additionaly, the Jewish plight concerning the Nazi’s. These sects have received much attention. Little-to-no restitution has been addressed, let alone applied, to the American Indians. A simple people who lived by a working code of fairness and earth preservation, never asking for any hand-outs whatsoever. They just wantd to be left alone. Still, we stole this entire continent from them and ‘savagely’ mutilated, deceived and abused nearly every last one of them, including women and babies, for our own gain and greed, plain and simple. If we are going to be accurate and accountable, let us please start right here at home and make retribution to a group of people we have virtually wiped out and ignored up to this point. Yet if racism needs to be openly discussed, maybe we should start with Obama’s presidential, inaugural address. Wherein, he was speaking of his grandfather’s slavery…he did not know his grandfather, yet he gave no homage whatsoever to his caucasian, maternal mother and grandmother, ONE HALF of his heritage…who if not for them, Obama would not have had the greater opportunity towards becoming our president. THEY elected to raise, educate and nurture him….NOT his Kenyan father who literally abandoned him and did not acknowledge him. To avoid the issue of racism, one always needs the facts from ALL vantage points of history, not just those which fuel a personal cause.

    Continuing with the case in point. **Merit**...one's actions, are the only thing to be observed and judged at this juncture now that Obama, or any president for that matter, is in office. With this being said, I would like to offer some points for further thought, and discussion, here. As far as the promised 'transparency' versed throughout his campaign, well Mr Obama does seemingly, disappear whenever another bill or amendment for the 'distortion of the constitution' surfaces. I would suggest that every American watch the HBO series, 'John Adams' to feel the pride and patriotism we once earned as a nation, which has long since been taken for granted and forgotten in the many freedoms we ALL abuse in this land. As I stated earlier, history has slowly and conveniently been altered, agenda promoted, politically corrected and even replaced with an oblique accuracy over the years. Our constituion reads that a president has to have been born on this land, a naturalized citizen. Every president preceding Obama has eagerly and earnestly submitted a thorough and complete set of college transcripts, documents and all records of legality. President Obama has not. That IS call for concern for if there is nothing to hide, why not relinquish these readily and upon taking office? That alone would ease some of the controversy surrounding this man. We need to step back and rather than being passionately disproportionate with our defensiveness and opinions, just stick to the matter of following the law...an easy pattern of procedure to follow which will produce a remedy.

    Please indulge me here, as in our family, we sleep, eat and breathe politics. We fully enjoy staying abreast in current events and also feel it is our civic duty. As a nation we have become quite complacent with our liberties, and lately, much to our own detriment. Everyone has an opinion but few have an ‘educated’ opinion. We Americans may make jest of foreigners or get angry with them for their coming here and taking advantage of our laws and our goods. What most of us don’t understand is that in other countries, each citizen has been forced to understand their government’s politics after any civil unrest or uprising has put them in jeopardy of losing life as they have known it. They come to this country well-understanding our laws and government better than most PHD’s in this land understand our own government. Until we ‘wake up’ from this stupor of naivete and ignorance in, and of, our own land, how can we presume to have the knowledge to back our opinions? We get so defensive yet we are so clueless. In this vein of thinking, few have really considered the brevity of thought that our current president is in-all-likelihood, a Muslim. What grounds do I have to suspect this? Because having grown up among many foreigners and having Muslim friends in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, I understand the impact of religion on other cultures, as opposed to our own religions here. Their religions are a way of life. I cannot say the same in America. Obama had a Kenyan father. In Kenya, the overiding religion is Muslim. Obama lived there as a youth, was educated religiously from the Quran during the formative years when most of one’s leanings or conditioning becomes ingrained and intact. HUGE THOUGHT: Wouldn’t it be the ‘ultimate coup’ of terrorism if a Muslim were to be shrewdly and deliberately placed in our highest, most esteemed and influential office of power…i.e., the Presidency of the United States? How better to bring down the ‘viewed as evil ones’ being that the most-extreme Muslims see ALL Americans as the infidels? Many ask why a man given this privilege would ever assume to abuse his post? And why, if he is reaping the rewards of office in notoriety and acclaim, would he want to eventually ‘hurt himself’ in the process of ruining America? Simple once again. It is not what makes sense…it is an ideaology. It is truly a mission of honor and of obligation if one is Muslim, to destroy others considered by them to encompass evil, and, at any cost…ANY cost. The rather obvious in observation is that if anyone was paying attention, Michelle Obama accompanied her husband to England and fraternized with the Queen, to France, to South America…all over. Yet she was nowhere to be seen in the Middle East. Why? Past First Ladies have been treated like royalty in these Middle-Eastern countries, yet Michelle was so obviously missing. It might just be because, if she were a Muslim, she would have to abide by the laws apparent and wear a burqa. If she were to do this she would have been exposed to the world. If she refused to comply, she could have been executed. Thusly, she just avoided those countries entirely. Hmm. Once again, watch what is done and think for yourself; NOT by way of the media.

    All I would suggest for American citizens do at this time would be to pull up on the internet, those pending bills in Congress waiting to be passed by the House and Senate and read them thoroughly so you know firsthandedly, what is transpiring around you. This way, you educate yourself, dismiss the bias of the media and make sensible decisions, thus conveying educated opinions. Many Americans get their information from hear-say and from television. The first improvement to the outcome of what efffects every American individually, comes from factual information. Reading of pending bills is as factual as one can get.

    • Norm

      A little self rightous and condescending Mary Anne.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Just shut up Norm, your full of crap. End of story.

        • Norm

          Mark
          Did you say you worked in a brewery?
          Were you a taster?
          I hate to stoop to your obnoxious level but your missing a part of your
          anatomy – yes between your ears.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Ive said it before, and Ill say it again, ABC,CBS,NBC,CNN and MSNBC are nothing but a propaganda outreach of the democratic party. They lie and destroy the oponent with false reporting and ruin innocent peoples lives. They have placed a stain on a good man, George W. Bush, that in time history will erase and prove him to be a great president indeed. They have cause Sarah Palin to resign her governorship, so she can work and raise money to pay off lawsuits she has had to endure to fend off these moral-less savages. Im sorry, I dont care what ones politics are, but when youve got a woman who loves her family, has been married since the beginning to her high school sweetheart, knows and loves God, got into politics because the people wanted her to. Has represented the people and not herself. Got elected Governor and balanced a budget that was out of whack, and even gave money back to the people, because she recognized it was theirs. All about her is good, and these immoral bastards were so afraid they attacked and attacked, empty attacks at that, but they still cost her money to defend herself, and they know it. But when theyve got deep pockets like Soros and Kennedy and Clinton and Heinze Ketchup Kerry, they can fund a lot of damage causes, and when theyve got ABC,NBC,CBS,CNN and MSNBC in their hip pocket, anyone from anything other than the democrat party knows these bastards are coming for their throats, and there is a simple reason why. They have nothing viable to bring to the table. They have presented nothing, other than the words change change change. Thats it, empty words. The only change, is that a lot of people have changed from working, to being unemployed. If they have something good to bring, I want to hear it, but I havent. All Ive heard and seen is them standing up on their pedestal, pointing fingers and placing blame, and they have provided no solutions, only adding to the problems, in fact, causing the problems. Look at what they are doing, and at the bills they have proposed. Incredible. And if you call yourself an American, and back these guys with the things they want to do to this country, and what they have allready done to us, you need to move to Iran or Syria, because your sick.

      • Norm

        Mark
        Your spouting hate and nonsense yet again.

        • John the Carpenter

          …nothing new there, Norm

      • Lindy

        Mark…

        You speak highly of Sarah Palin… the god-fearin’ governor… with a (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) grandchild. Yes, she’s the poster-girl for a good Christian family… I guess it skips a generation? Where was her “Focus on the Family”? How can the Christian-right wing back Sarah Palin, even though they despise pre-marital carnal knowledge?

        Holding two conflicting ideals must give you an awful headache… is that why so many Republicans are angry? Do they all have nasty headaches from from calling Democrats “election thieves” while believing all of Karl Rove’s dirty tricks were okay? Or calling Obama a socialist when it was Bush that bailed-out the banks and insurance companies? Do you have to reach for the painkiller (or the Kool-Aid) when you whine about liberal media yet deny that Fox News is nothing more that a Republican propaganda machine? (Didn’t you find it odd that the Bush White House, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News always talked about the same things, on the same days using the exact same words and phrases?)

        Bottom line, it’s hard to have a rational discussion with someone who is willing to look the other way when Bush and Cheney destroy the constitution, yet you’re willing to continue the childish nonsense about Obama’s birthcertificate. (It’s been found, and he is an American… move on.)

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          You are a fool and I refuse to argue with you. Parents cannot always be held responsible for what their kids do. You see, as a teen, my parents were Christians and I was taught not to smoke dope, drink alcohol, have pre-marital sex, and all those things one shouldnt do, and hey, I did them all. So are my parents to be lambasted for what I did, even though they were totally against the things I did? I think not. Same in this case. She does not as you say, support pre-marital sex, not at all. And for you to come up with that, you are a judgmental loser. She is not going to throw her love for her daughter away because her daughter used bad judgement. No, a true mother who loves her child, still loves them when they make a mistake. Im am sure glad I dont live in a glass house like you do. In fact, your so damn perfect you better be careful. The last perfect one that walked this earth, they took Him and hung Him on a cross. And if you are that blind to propanganda by ABC,CBS,NBC,CNN and MSNBC, then no one here on earth can help you. You are biased and are afraid of the truth. Im done with you, until you grow up. Are you over 16?

        • DaveH

          Lindy,
          OMG, the Democratic Party is the defender of free sex. They stuck behind Bill Clinton, the sexual-harasser-in-chief, though thick and thin. By the way, I too believe in free consentual sex, but I apply my principals evenly. I don’t give a damn if you are a Republican or a Democrat, I expect you to adhere to your morals for a person of either party (I am Libertarian, by the way). And to attack an innocent child, who is not responsible for the actions of the parents is abhorent and hypocritical.

        • DianeC2313

          Are you as generous with your “acceptance and understanding” of John Edwards, or is his fathering a child with another woman while his wife battles cancer somehow different and OK?

          If only he had won the Democratic nomination.

    • Smilee

      You say a lot of things about racism that are true and then go and and show your own prejudices towards the Muslims that appear to be quite severe. I also have to agree with Norm statement. You sound intelligent but much of what you said leads me to believe you are subjecting us to a snow job. Also it is well documented that he did not grow up in Kenya, he lived 4 years in Indonesia and the rest of the time in the US. Because of some of your facts are incorrect and as you draw some conclusions on assumptions and opinions I think it best to find much of what you say suspect although I agree with some especially the plight of the Indian.

    • larry

      AMEN …

  • http://Hotmail Mark

    The Democrats have perfected the art of ‘Stealing’ elections. Since the last election, democracy in the United states has disappeared and replaced with red Eupopean Socialism. They now employ thousands of ‘ACORN’ employees to deceptively find dead or non existant social security numbers to fraudulently add their votes to the ballot. Not only do they discard English remains in cemetaries across Chigago, but they also steal their social security numbers for their deceptive actions. I have yet to decide which city is more corrupt, New York or Chigago.

  • http://duped Peter Melville

    A nice ride home with Kennedy after a little party would be perfect for Franken!

  • Buckeye8

    MY! MY! American Citizen, you are a sore loser and now you want to get personal. I guess Indiana really is the land of the lost. I see you even like to rag on people from Minnesota. I love the people from Minnesota because they put up an ex-clown against the very best republican and the clown won, WOW. L.O.L.

    • American Citizen

      I am not a sore loser just because I wonder how the people of Minnesota elected Franken, if he was really elected. Not letting some votes be counted as has happened before in other elections by the Dems. After all, even though I hate it, I have to accept that Obama was elected.

      Speaking of Obama, why is he in such a rush to pass all these money/power grabbing programs? Is it because he knows he is a one term President? Every time he opens his mouth, it costs taxpayers more money.

  • bruce

    Interesting, isn’t it, Mary Anne? You suggest that people calm down and look at facts, and they throw insults. Political correctness is killing the US, as it has become the dominant culture–a part of a political strategy from the left, with the help of Hollywood and the so-called “reporting media”. Some of the folks on this blog just cannot lift above the politically correct basis of thought, period. It’s race first, party next, union or leftist ideology after that, and God knows where their country falls in their reflections??? It is not in the top 5, let’s just say. They are so wrapped up in race, primarily, or class-warfare (thanks to the Dems who never leave that topic) they REFUSE TO CONSIDER the destructive impact to their country.

  • American Citizen

    Have you seen the latest that if all the programs Obama and the Dems want, it will cost each taxpayer $80,000? In other words, over 24 trillion dollars. I think it is time for a taxpayer revolt.

  • Rod OH

    So Chip, what is your point? Are you upset that the Democratic Party read Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush’s book on How to Steal An Election”? Until Republican hypocrits clean up their own acts, I do not think you have much solid ground to stand on.

  • bobby Joe

    Uh…I’m glad to see there’s no biased reporting here.

  • Kim

    Mark,

    I love you. No nonsense.

  • Mike D.

    My Question is WHO IN THE HAIL WOULD VOTE FOR THAT MORON (Franken) in the first place?

    • Smilee

      The majority of Minnesotans albeit only a majority of 312 but never the less the majority. I was always told to know a moron you have to be one yourself.

    • Lindy

      Mike…

      You ask “who would vote for that moron (Franken)?”

      That’s funny, I wonder what kind of moron would vote for Michelle Bachmann?

      • Mike D.

        I don’t know, but it’s probably safe to say the same kind of voter that votes for Franken. It is a voters obligation to vote intelligently and responsibly. Weather you know it or not this method of democracy is all that stands between freedom and total collapse. It’s not a joke.

  • Mike D.

    “The majority of Minnesotans” so we are told. At this point I believe nothing any politician has to say. I am a responsible voter and a Dem. but can not understand why anyone would vote for an person that clearly dose not deserve to hold any office at all. It’s wrong, irresponsible and destructive.

    As far as being a Moron, that would be determined by what one produces or dose not produce, not by an opinion based on biased thinking. I have long heard Franken’s obscene comments and lewd remarks and it is only a matter of time before he shows his liability to the public. Anyone who finds this to be acceptable in the workings of Gov. is defiantly a Moron themselves!

  • http://.personalliberty.com Dave

    Sour grapes. How come if a liberal entertainer is elected he is an ignorant no nothing traitor but if a conservative entertainer is elected he is a brilliant patriot and statesman. Some names come to mind Ron Reagan, Thompson, George Murphy, Arnold.

    • Mike D.

      Dave wrote,
      “How come if a liberal entertainer is elected he is an ignorant no nothing traitor but if a conservative entertainer is elected he is a brilliant patriot”

      That’s easy, their morales! Just consider what they have all contributed to society. What has Franken ever contributed other than lewd comments and a classless, disgusting manor of expression. He isn’t even funny!

      There is no comparison and I don’t care if anyone of this nature is conservative or liberal they are still a moron.

      • http://.personalliberty.com Dave

        Morals not morales. At least Franken entertained the troops in Iraq when was the last time moral beacon loudmouths like Rush, Hannity, O’Reilly put themselves at risk?

        • Brian Rawls

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        • kevin

          you liberal, frog licking, bong sucking,tree hugging,maggot infested living in the sixties, former clinton administration groupie, who is “like” sooo uninformed! Rush and company, raise millions for charities yearly–including the troops’ families. The “left” despises the military. They love terrorists in Gitmo more– like they have rights they killed thousands and wanted to kill more–libs want them to have more rights that we do. Pellosi and her ilk in congress and the unbelievable liberal senators like Dingle Boxer Kennedy Franken McCluskie Hoyer Durbin and manyothers are taking us over the edge and we(the folks with more to lose-God family and country and maybe after working hard all our life have accumulateed a litle something) need to defeat them. They want us to give everything to theri nonworking (acorn-family members).

          • http://personallibertydigest Becky

            You need to start taking you meds again.

  • Mike D.

    Dave wrote,
    “when was the last time moral beacon loudmouths like Rush, Hannity, O’Reilly put themselves at risk?”

    Every time they expose the truth!

    • Norm

      Mike D.
      Their truth is that they make millions stirring up people dumb enough to take them seriously. As a group, they are very entertaining and clever. But unless your in their income class, you have much less in common with them than you think.

      • Mike D.

        Norm,
        True, they are making millions and yes they are not in my income class, but they are also not trying to dissolve any chance or glimmer of hope that may still exist in gaining any personal wealth for ourselves.

        We are the losers here. All if not most in this Admin. are every bit as wealthy as any of these so called “moral beacons” but the difference being most conservatives do not want to interfere in our personal lives.

        Rich people will stay rich no matter what. They will NEVER be the ones who are responsible for giving up or sacrificing any amount of wealth for any reason regardless of their political affiliation. We are the door mats. I would rather support those who have wealth but are not interested in taking mine instead of those who want it all for themselves to support their own personal agendas.

        • Norm

          Roughly 14000 people in America have MORE MONEY than the ENTIRE population of the USA combined. This is why they are so heavily taxed and pay indeed 60+% of the taxes — they have ALL the MONEY.
          You could TAX them three times over — and they wouldn’t be aware of it unless their accountants informed them of such.
          You cannot have ANYTHING close to a reasonable and sensible tax code until there is some semblance of economic parity in the world. 80% of this money is passed on from brother to sister to son to daughter to niece to nephew and on and on it goes… …to fellow alumni.
          The other 20% is from the likes of good people like Bill Gates and other innovators…

      • DaveH

        Norm,
        I suspect that you will cry like a baby when the United Nations takes control and distributes your income among cultures many times poorer than you are.
        What you practice is the politics of envy, plain and simple. You are a greedy thief who thinks that if enough of your kind vote to steal then it becomes moral. It doesn’t.
        You relish your freedom, but hold others’ freedom in contempt.
        Liberals always hide behind the mantel of “tax the rich”, but guess what, there aren’t that many of them, so the real money has to come from the middle class. And as the economy collapses further after each new growth ring of government is added, your kind never throws in the towel, they just push for more hopes and dreams.
        You have no idea how hard anyone has worked for their money. While you liberals were drinking and partying, many of those people whose money you want to take were working long hours to create a better life for their families. You just know they have it and you want to share it, whether they like it or not. You are greedy, not noble.

        • NORM

          DaveH

          I worked very hard for my money. I’ve paid a lot more in taxes than a lot of people (and a lot less than others). I’m retired and I still pay a lot of taxes.

          You right wingers are so brain washed by the high rollers that it is pathetic. Don’t tax them or else they won’t hire you to clean their toilets (at minimum wage or maybe with “under the table” cash).

          The middle class is dying in this country. Many of their jobs have gone to China, India, Mexico, ETC. At first it was those “jobs nobody wants”, but now its Engineers, Computer Specialists, everything but upper managers. The multi-millionaires get obscenely rich, while America gets poor. But now that they have sold out our key technologies to our enemies, our ememies too are getting richer and smarter, and soon they won’t need the American money boys either.
          The middle class isn’t collapsing because of government. It’s collapsing because of an unbridled, greedy, group of elitists. Some have become rich by their own abbilities, but far more inherited their wealth or have stolen it with laws well crafted to keep them rich and powerful. And then they recruit fools to argue their case for them. It reminds me of the Civil War where the rich upper crust of the South convinced the poorest of the poor to die for their cause. Excellent PR work.

          I don’t quite understand how the United Nations is going take control of our tax dollars to spread among the world’s poor. But I have seen how the untitled gentry traitors of the United States have spread our former payroll dollars among the world’s poor simply because they work for less. They also hate us, and China (4x our population) is a COMMUNIST country.

      • DaveH

        Norm,
        I have no idea how hard you work for your money. Just as you have no idea how anyone else has worked for their money. That is my point. How can you vote to take money from others, when neither you nor I nor anyone else knows how hard they have worked for their money?
        I have had Chronic Fatigue Immune Deficiency since I was 26. It results in flu-like symptoms about twice a week on average. I never know what days it is going to manifest itself so it has made earning a living much harder for me. In spite of that, I have worked 25 of the last 34 years (I’m 60 now). Whenever I get laid off, I stay out of work for long periods to recuperate. I don’t know if it was caused by dietary mistakes or just bad luck. But I will be damned if I am going to force other people to carry me on their back through nationalized health care. Because I have principles.
        Thanks to “age discrimination” lawsuits it is very difficult for me to find work now. I am very knowledgeable and a hard worker but who wants to hire a potential liability? I wouldn’t.
        As far as brainwashing goes, I believe you are the one who is brainwashed, and it was easy to accomplish because you think you are going to get something for free. And right-winger, that is funny because I am not religious, and I am a Libertarian not a Republican. And I’m sure you’re aware that the Mexicans are happy to come up here to clean toilets. Why? Because well-intentioned and misguided people like yourself have created or at least enabled a stifling regulatory system in Mexico which has ruined the country’s economy.
        I agree that corporations are more corrupt than ever before. But doesn’t it mean anything to you that they are worse than they were before, now that they are so heavily regulated? Government’s involvement in business grows more every month. Yet, we have more corruption than ever. Do you liberals ever throw in the towel and admit you are headed in the wrong direction? I guess it will take a Soviet-style collapse before you wake up.
        Corporations can’t force people to buy their products. Only government can do that. Government is force not reason. If the corporations are defrauding their shareholders or consumers, then the victims can take them to court. Forcing companies to file ridiculous amounts of paperwork, most of which never gets read by anyone, doesn’t deter the crooked corporate officers, it just costs the good people a lot of money.
        The jobs have gone to foreign countries because the American worker (especially the Union worker) has out-priced himself and the government is sucking up so much of our resources that we would collapse without cheap foreign goods.
        The middle class is collapsing because a bunch of greedy voters want someone else’s money to live on. And what is wrong with inheriting wealth? Many people work extra hard so they leave their kids with a better life. Why should their money go to some envious bystanders who they don’t even know?
        And yes, I believe there are many greedy rich people who would step on anyone to get ahead. You sure don’t mind stepping on me and others to get ahead. I grew up in a poor neighborhood and heard many of them trashing the wealthier people, but over the years ended up in a nice middle-class neighborhood, and found that they were much nicer, kinder people than the ones I knew in the poor neighborhoods.

        • NORM

          DaveH

          I get to vote for my congressmen and the president.
          Even as a stockholder (part owner) of a corporation I have very little to say about it’s managment. I ocassionaly get to vote for a selected group of individuals, but normally there is only one candidate for each position. Salaries and bonouses are never even mentioned.
          I saw the CEO of one of the failing banks on TV, and was totally blown away by his arrogance. We don’t have titled royalty in the US but this guy definately thought he was a gift from GOD.

        • DaveH

          Norm,
          As shareholders of voting stock (the only kind I would buy) we do have power, but admittedly not as much as we had before the media and government got involved (about 30 years ago). Were it not for poison pills (which I believe are illegal, or at least inequitable) it would be much easier for outsiders to gain large positions and do something about the entrenched mananagement.
          I believe the one-share one-vote concept is as fair as it gets. Why should someone with no skin in the game be able to have an equal vote? I just wish our national voting system was more like that. Once people learned that they could vote for free-money the Pandora’s Box was open. Now it is one big trough-fest with the only ones who will really benefit in the long run being the politicians.

      • DaveH

        Norm,
        I forgot to address your question about the UN. They are trying hard to exert more control over their member nations.
        Remember that the Federal government was only allocated certain powers, the main one being regulation of interstate commerce. And look how they have grown in size and power. They have grown way beyond their mandate in the Constitution. That is what the United Nations is trying to do, and they will succeed if we don’t remove our heads from our butts and push our government to get out of that corrupt organization.
        Also look at this link for an idea of how Big Government helps corporations do their evil deeds:
        http://blogs.healthfreedomalliance.org/blog/2009/07/24/the-1918-influenza-epidemic-was-a-vaccine-caused-disease/

        • NORM

          DaveH
          I don’t think we have anything to fear from the UN. It is a powerless organization.

    • Stand828

      Which means they rarely put themselves in danger…

  • http://Hotmail Mark

    Obamas Change

    State takes over the Banking Sector
    State takes over the Auto Sector
    State takes over the Health Care Sector
    State takes over the Education Sector

    His only CHANGE is to turn America into another red communist run country like China and Russia. I’m sure he has wet dreams of their red power at night.

  • andy

    The people of MN deserve this guy.

  • Bonnie

    I was reading the blogs today and came across an exchange between Dave H. and Average Joe. Dave H. stated that 2 million X 40 million = 80 trillion. Average Joe felt the need to correct Dave H. and his lack of math skills. Average insisted in two differant ways that 2 million X 40 million = 80 million! Dave H. just because someone presents themselves as an authority or a skilled mathmatician does make it so.
    2 X 40 million is indeed 80 million but 2 “Million” X 40 million is indeed 80 trillion.

    • Mike D.

      Politicians need only to run the Gov. as if it were your own household. Use the same fiscal responsibility that one would use on their own budget and earnings.
      Do only what you would do if it involved your own personable savings and expenses, then and only then will anyone ever see any REAL change.

  • Adrienne Williams

    Many are opinions some based in fact and others heresay. So I take what I need and leave the rest.

    For months I heard millions of construction jobs But funds went to researchers, teachers, etc and the auto industry protected by the “tarp”. Nothing for the millions – home refinance (very little), credit cards companies given a slap on the wrist and presently increasing charges through the back door, etc. Roads, bridges, tunnels have a short waiting period as the local politicians know the problems. Where are the jobs? New ones take 1 to 3 years (problem with right-a-way to start).
    I could elaborate but my question is – WHAT ACTION CAN BE taken to head off an administration on all of the destruction measures. Write you Congressman or Senator? Do they hear you? Most hear BIG MONEY. Citizens would rather sit home and play with their toys. This I know from past experiences. It is only a small group that will challenge.
    The only way is to chart a plan. Where to use the plan. Pick the strongest venue to start. Make it simple. Hit at the heart of people in distress initially. It could start a ground swell with the right cause..

  • ChrisH

    Republicans actually have the GALL to accuse the Democrats of stealing an election?

    I’ve heard it all now!!! ROFLMFAO

    • Ken

      Chris,
      The, “they stole the election” is old news. The Democratic claim of “stealing” an election is without merit, old news, and I really do not want to address it. However, just keep in mind the fact the Democrats incorporated EVERY possible legal challenge available. Even a new term, “hanging chad” was created during the recount. I have problems with Republicans AND Democrats. There are truly a “few” good people in each party but I am for the good of the Country instead of what is good for the party. I do not agree with the electoral college vote, yes Bush lost the popular vote. In my opinion it was the Democrats who tried to steal the election. How hard is it for someone to simply punch out a “chad” to indicate who they wanted their vote to be cast for?
      As I said, “they stole an election” is old news. What IS important is “NOW” and what the Obama future will bring us.
      What do you want your Country to be? Do you want a continued “free” Republic or would you rather have a “Socialist Country”? Obama is pushing us very quickly down the road to Socialism(or worse). Check into his many Czars. Look up the definition of what a Czar is and then count how many Obama has put into power. There are over 30 of them. Some are CONFESSED Communists!

      National Healthcare; please explain to me how over 47 million more people will be added to the government coverage without ANY plans for additional Doctors. The answer is as Obama has said, instead of giving your elderly Mother medicine maybe you should consider giving her a pain pill instead. In other words, Obama believes in letting the elderly to “die out” instead of providing them with life saving treatment.

      I could go on and on, the examples of Obama’s Socialist beliefs are virtually endless but I will stop here. I respect your feelings concerning the stealing of an election. I simply disagree on that matter. But you and I do both agree in that we both apparently do not trust our Government and that simply is not the way it should be.

      Best Regards,
      Ken

  • http://plano Darrel

    Just to clear up the “Obama Birth Certificate” question, Hawaii did NOT state he was born in Hawaii. Instead, through legal mumbo jumbo, they said his birth in KENYA was recognized as a birth in Hawaii. Hmmmmmmm.

    • Norm

      “There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

      There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.
      Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.
      “Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,” Fukino said.
      Fukino said that no state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama’s certificate be handled differently from any other.

  • Gal

    ACORN has 7 BILLION waiting for them. Obama plans to do the same across the nation to STEAL the 2012 election. He can talk all the talk he wants, WE THE PEOPLE ARE THE GOVERNMENT and see through his lies, Pelosi’s lies. Oh wait, now he is saying “God bless America”! Wow, did Obama suddenly remember he is a “christian”? Please, if Americans seriously believe good times are coming, I have a bridge I want to sell them. WE ARE BROKE… THE Left HAS SPENT ALL THE MONEY…. Saul Alinsky’s seed learned his lessons well.

  • Terry

    I don’t like it, but so be it. It is about time that both parties learn how to play that game. The advantage is that now the dems control everything and we Americans, whatever our political persuasion, will be able to see where they really stand. As has happened in the past, if they totally go off the deep end, we will be able to change everything in 2010 and the ONLY thing that politicians care about is getting RE-ELECTED and staying on the federal gravy train. They are scare to death about not getting re-elected. We all need to scare them when we disagree with them in droves, whatever the issue.

    • rodin

      “Off the deep end” That’s hilarious. We’ve just come off the worst eight years of this nation’s history getting deeper and deeper into trouble because of the right wing ideologues. Iraq, the deaths and maimings of tens of thousands of innocent soldiers, billions of dollars thrown away, the replacement of the biggest economic surplus with the largest deficit in history and the start of the worst depression since the 30′s. You LIKE the republicans. Ought to have your head examined. You’d probably support cutting social service off to your grandmother just so Cheney’s friends can get a few extra billion dollars and Bush’s friends at the HMO’s and private insurance companies can find more ways to not pay for treatments. Man you guys as (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT)up.

      • kevin

        you idiot– you only voted because he was half black—a fact –Acorn unloaded buses of blacks and liberals who were paid to “get on the bus” with taxpayer dollars.in Iowa to defeat fellow lib Hillary Clinton. Obama targeted all states with high concentration of blacks and idiot libs around bloated tax money sucking university systems like UNC. The black colleges in UNC gave everybody a day off if they would go register and early vote with three people on that day even if they were prisoners or felons. Fact he is the most liberal by far resident togo with so manyliberals from up north and far west to take our country to socialism–with health care financials situations–all of the idiot teachers and state workers who vote like stupid robots for democrats are going to lose their sweet health care deals–without benefits teaches are sunk!The village idiot in Raleigh (gov bev perdue) took all their votes along with Obama, took money from teachers in May, renegotiated health insurance, threatened teacher job losses, longer school days, national board moneys, denied raises, and still acts like she is pro education association. ‘the unions are in the tank as always”. I think they(union leaders and congress) will get a sweeter deal in Obama care.

        • rodin

          I don’t care what color he is and would just as easily have voted for Hilary or McCain if he wouldn’t have sold out to the far right idiots. The FACT is that right wing ideology has screwed this country. You like to throw around words like socialism – you have NO IDEA what it means. This administration is still pretty much the most right wing government in the developed world. Obama’s just moved it slightly closer to center. Whoops sorry, just fell into the stupid trap of treating a “word” as if itself has specific emotional connotations. Go back to f’ing school and start understanding how every country in the world is a mix of government and private spending and understand the complexities and the dynamics of change within economics.

          We already have (and for the most part always have had) massive government interventions in so many sectors and most of our economy works on the basis of regulation, legislation and protection. It’s not always a bad thing – you have to really understand what’s going on. Obviously you like rhetoric more – it’s easier to chant.

      • DianeC2313

        Wrong. Jimmy Carter gave us the worst 4 years in our lifetime.

        Bush had no control over the mess created when the Dems took control of the House and Senate. The collapse of Freddie and Fannie was avoidable but Dems blocked every attempt to implement the necessary controls.

        • eyeswideopen

          You need to read the bills that the Congress passed since,1995. We have been in control of Congress for 12 years.At some point us Republicans must take responsibility for the financial crisis. We spent like we were Democrat’s. We grew the government and totally threw away our ethics. So, to fix this party, we must admit and help fix the problems, that we are responsible for. We are all Americans, and every party makes mistakes, but we shouldn’t hate each other.

  • Born Conservative

    Neal Boortz said it best – the other day on his TalkRadio Show.
    Here’s the deal – the bottom line in America over the Obama Election -

    “The Looters (the Dem Party and cohorts) take from Producers (mostly Small Business America) and GIVE to moochers (early comment by Norm?), who then vote for Looters.”

    Looters take from Producers to give to Moochers – who then vote for Looters!

    The lazy Americans will only find out they’ve been had, “after” it is toooo late.

    Every time the Dems win by making false promises and lies (being called the truth by mainstream media payoffs) – the entire Country suffers and does the World Economy. Never listen to some teleprompter puppet (on some TV station).

    Look it up for yourself, before the Left shuts down the Internet like IRAN has done. The proposition is already before Congress if you haven’t been paying attention.

    No joke – a bill is before Congress for the President to shut down the Internet in thei Country, for purposes of National Security – same excuse IRAN used.

    What kind of Country did you vote for? If you love fascism and National Socialism (german word: NAZI) so much, why don’t you just move to a Country where they already have that type of limited freedom? Seriously!

    The peoples of Germany in the late 1920′s and early 1930′s allowed themselves to be had by their own DEMOCRAT party making false promises they had no intention of ever keeping. Which then brought them ADOLF. On the History Channel, they talk about those days in an expose’ about ADOLF. Hitler’s “first choice” for a Political Party WAS the German Democrat Party – because he knew that’s where all the greed, graft & corruption was. True Statement – go watch it on the History Channel. In the end, these same Democrats in Germany told Adolf – No – and he went to join th eother Party who was almost as stupid as the Left was in those days. These same Democrat Party officials then fled the Country instead of trying to protect it, when they saw Hitler’s gambit had paid off – they RAN for their spider holes, in Countries like Brazil (South America & Africa). They left their own voters stranded – just like our own Democrats here waited a full three weeks to respond publicly about demostrating any backbone whatsoever towards the Terrorists who took almost 3,000 american lives (in a Liberal State, I might add).

    You see – much like the Soviets (over nuclear war), the Dem Party in America does believ in “acceptible losses” …. for the good of the Party – not the Country, and definitely not YOU.

    All one has to do is follow the trend…. since LBJ got away with constantly escalating the Vietnam Conflict (over & over) and Cronkite got away with lying about the success of the Tet Offensive…. America has had to contend with propaganda from the Press and the interlopers infiltrating all facets of our Media.

    We are a Christian Country founded on principles of Family and right now, the Press has conned over half the Voters to side with Aetheists who care nothing for what this Country was founded upon. They’re just a bunch of carpetbaggers who hide what they’re up to and have the system rigged.

    What’s the real need for a Federal Reserve (again)…?
    And, why is is not transparent to the Voters? Answer that…..

    Who is this Bilderberg Group, anyway and why is their annual meeting constantly kept secret, as well?

    If you have ever voted Democrat (don’t care the reason) – then you WANTED the Country in this mess – YOU WANTED the destruction of our Courts and the Constitution. you obviously don’t believe in the teachings of the Federalist Papers.

    What is it that Hollywood and Liberals have in common?

    …………………”getting past High School”….. especially on a moral and social level.

    Lefties are all about doing unto others, and then split – nothing more!
    And they always cry foul only when it hurts them, …….in a singular sense.

    Remember – Liberals believe in acceptible losses for fellow americans, even fellow Liberals. Just look to 9/11 for proof.

    Do you really think it’s just Obama that we have to be watchful for? Seriously?

  • Born Conservative

    SUDDEN CALL – write: How about some honest republicans coming foward with some new ideas that are for America instead of against us?

    =======================

    How about the Press “out” all of the greed and corruption inside the beltway, thereby FORCING politicians to take a different stance than their own selfish careers? Why not have it as a referendum that all Senators be allowed only one (1) term in Office – no more Ted Kennedys, no more Grahamnesty’s – no more graft in the arena of ideas!

    —————————————–

    This is no different than what we have in our Nation’s Laws. They simply have to begin enforcing the Laws we have – in an equal manner towards all citizens and not just some — we don;t need another grandstanding politician pretending to write yet another new Law that will never be enforced properly once the FAD has worn off.

    It’s as simple as that – try voting in the Primaries. THIS is where you cut them all – to the quick!
    Be gutsy – do your local homework and watch the effect multiply into the general election. The people in power now – ARE COUNTING on you not participating in the Primaries….. they say you won’t. Are they right – do they know you better than you do?

    The “trend” ……says YES – they do know you as a Voter better than you do.
    And, they’ve never even met you……….

  • Born Conservative

    RODIN – your premise is directed in the appropriate traffic lane – but you are dislexic. The Dems held Congressional power for 35 years straight. THIS MEANS that their subordinates are still there working the mundane government paperwork jobs.

    Take it with a grain of salt – that the Government hierarchy is much like the Military. Colonels (Senators)? may be Base Commanders, but it is the Sargeants that get things done. Every Base Commander knows this and quite often will make sure their own preferred 1st Sgt, also comes with whenever they get transferred to a new Base.

    The american people may get their moxey up and vote out a small section of the corruption in politics – but they cannot remove the Sargeants (hacks?) put in place by the over-riding Party that has held power the longest.

    What’s the best way for the people to get their Country back? Vote for smaller government. Smaller government means less taxes out of YOUR paycheck – which then allows you & your family to gain a higher quality of life. I suppose some Voters can pretend to themselves that they don’t pay enough in taxes. That’s their business – but it does fly in the face of a Father being able to provide a higher quality of life under his own roof.

    You decide!

  • Mary J Goode

    The greatest threat was George W Bush. The greatest now is Hannity,Rush and Beck. Why are some of you afraid of Obama? All yea I forgot he’s Black. You poor racist people.

    • DianeC2313

      yeah gotta be racist–cause that’s all you got. Can’t be that his economic policy is creating dangerous debt–even George Soros and Warren Buffet are saying his economic policy is bad and he could bankrupt this nation.

      Couldn’t be that Cap and Tax is the largest stealth tax increase in the history of the world and will result in more job losses and economic mayhem at a time when the US is already close to 10% unemployment.

      Couldn’t be that his porkulous bill has created debt that will take generations to pay off–it it’s even possible then.

      And it certainly couldn’t be that he’s trying to force socialized medicine on a country that doesn’t want it.

      Yeah must be racism. The most overused dumbass excuse anyone could make. Just ask Gov Patterson…

    • cr747

      MARY J GOODE, YOUR (Word remvoed for offensive content) MUST BE ON YOUR SHOULDER, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE TO BEND OVER TO SEE ANYTHING.

    • libertytrain

      From your assessment, am I to understand that all the people that disliked George W. Bush, disliked him because he was white?

  • Mike in NJ

    Yup, Al sure has made a complete fool of himself. I mean, proposing a bill helping our veterans? The gall. Unbelieveable.

    Keep telling those fools to keep showing up at the town halls and trying to shout down civilized discussion. We’ll keep working to make the country a better place for all, not just the bible-thumping gun-toters.

  • jerry

    I thought this wasabout Bush stealing the two elections he was in, Why should we be concerned about this, Its trivial at best. When the president election can be stolen and no one makes a gripe about that but complains about a senate seat that was allowed to be recounted is lame.

  • cr747

    HUSSEIN OBAMA? BOW TO A KING? DO YOU THINK THAT MAYBE THEY DIDN’T HANG SADDAM, AND GAVE HIM A FACE MAKE OVER, AND A NEW NAME BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA? UM I WONDER. OR MAYBE THEY CAUGHT BIN LADEN, AND,,,, NAHHHHHHHHH, SURELY NOT. WELL, I MUST BE DREAMING!!!!!!!!!!!

    • http://personallibertydigest Becky

      Naw, you haven’t been taking your meds.

  • steelgrits

    How do we know that Obama won the election? With all of the illegal registering and voting that ACORN was allowed to do because “there wasn’t enough time to verify” and then all of the Armed Services uncounted votes, I don’t know if he really. And then there is the problem with his birth certificate. It will be a shame if history has to write that we allowed a person to be President who didn’t meet all requirements for President. I hate to think of America becoming the laughing stock of the world.

  • Rick

    Sometimes we get what we deserve not what we need, until America submits to God we as a nation will get bad leadership. This nation had it’s roots in the Bible and now it has it roots it greed, lust and lying. and that is the kind of leaders we will get , it is a reflection of the American People. I still believe that this is the greatest country on this planet, my family has fought to defend this country , some have died and some will never be the same, If an election was stolen then the guilty parties will have to answer to God, there has never been a perfect crime. Just ask Ted Kennedy,you do not make it to Heaven by good works, only through the gift that Jesus Christ gave us,

    • Norm

      Rick
      What makes you think “Good Christians” are any better than anybody else. Read some of the BS from Pat Robertson and the late Jerry Falwell and some of their like. There are slots in mental institutions for people like them. If Jerry Falwell is in heaven,I don’t want to ever go there.

      Mary Goode
      I don’t think racism is the problem, I think stupidity is. Listen to Glen Beck for a bit. The man is insane. I agree that Bush and his boss Cheney were very dangerous and downright frightening.

  • Rick

    Oh yeah, I did not say that Ted made it to heaven, and Mary Goode only a person that is racist accuses others of being racist, you should only judge a tree by the fruit that it bears, a good tree gives good fruit and bad tree bad fruit, and this current administration is giving a whole lot of bad fruit.

  • Rick

    Norm, did I say that I am a good Christian, the bible says that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, grace is what God gives us even though we do no deserve it, and if you do not want heaven that is your choice, Your problem is with God not with me.

    • Norm

      Rick
      You are probably a good man.
      My point is that being a Christian or a Jew or Muslim or an atheist does not make a person good or bad. None of us are perfect to be sure. More people died for twisted religious beliefs than any other reason in history. Christ was not an evil being to be feared or to kill for. One thing we don’t need in government is more self rightious, intolerent, omnipotent religous fools. Thank God the founding fathers knew this.

  • Kevin C.

    It takes a Jimmy Carter (or Al Franken) to give us a Ronald Reagan.
    The Dems are in for a big suprise in 2010 when the american people say enough is enough and vote these people out.Nancy Pelosi should be run out of town on a rail (she is such a bitch)as well as Harry Reid.
    God Bless America Black or white It dosent matter. Man or woman it dosent matter. Pro-American MATTERS!!!!!

  • matt

    Ok enough is enough. Where was all this outcry when bush pushed the Patriot Act through taking rights away from americans. Where was it when he got us in a war under false pretenses. Costing American Tax payers Billions and Billions of dollars and still climbing. Most of all costing 1000s of American lives just to take out Sadaam so we can have cheap access to dwindling world oil supplies.We should have been going after Bin laden you know the guy who master minded taking down 2 sky scrapers in new york. Its well known Bush truly didnt go after him with every thing we had. He sent a small amount of troops to go into afgahnistan and saved the rest to invade Iraq which did not attack us. Republicans citizens said nothing then.

    You guys really believe that obama is not a US citizen ? Come on people if he wasnt there is no way in hell he could have ran for president. The republicans would have stopped it cold. You can bet your life savings that they checked this out top to bottom before letting him run.

    You guys are forgetting that in 2000 bush was put in the white house by the supreme court i guess ? Why ? Cause he won florida by 59 votes and 1000s of people complained they were sent to the wrong voting districts and werent allowed to vote. Its not there fault they got assigned to the wrong district and then denied the right to vote.

    We all know both parties are corrupt. Its not just one party. Politics in general is corrupt. Money talks and bullsheet walks.

    Republicans are no better than dems. They make mistakes just like the rest of us. You need to look no further than the Gov. Of South Carolina. He ridiculed dems for cheating on thier wives and called for immediate resignations of thier elected office. Then he gets caught in a cheating scandal himself but yet he dont follow his own advice to resign instead he goes on a appolgy tour. Do you guys see where i am going with this i could cite more senator from alaska ring bell? Its not just the dems its both parties.

    This country is headed down a bad path. It is divided more than ever. What we all forget is were ALL americans. White , black , hispanic, asians what ever race. This country was founded and built by people from all over the world.

  • the eye

    This site is chock full (SENTENCE REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT).

    • eyeswideopen

      Listen ‘THE EYE ‘.. MY moniker is eyeswideopen and on this site they call me eyes, Please don’t make offensive comments, as I am sure they will think it is me. I have enough trouble without you cursing, so I would really appreciate it if you could keep it clean and nice. thank you so much

  • larry bradley

    And King George won both times fairly??? And did not have an earpiece on to cheat on at least one of the debates??? This whole ‘rag’ is so full of ‘wrong wing’ lies that I wonder what kind of morons believe it.
    Have a nice day.

  • Wayne Keel – V Vet

    Every day I hear something new that has been shoved down our throats by these “illegals” running our government. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see how “Mr Piece Prize” got elected. Years of open borders to the south with invitations from our politicians, including the Repubs, have overloaded the system into bankruptcy. The Demons did this with a promise of a free life for those people. Free, meaning that the American people will pay for everything, as long as you vote Democrat. Some are really good workers and learn to be American, such as those who serve in our military and those who embrace our culture and contribute. The majority it seems are just here for a free ride as long the “stupid Americans” are paying for it and think we owe them, because we stole their land years ago. The only people we stole land from were the native Americans. We owe them regardless of who is in charge whether it be Dem or Repub.
    The politicians have sold us out for a vote, not caring if it broke our backs or if it took our freedom. The intent of the Dems is to socialize our country and it has been done. Americans have excepted it and even though they may talk about change next election, it won’t come, because next year will be too late. It’s almost too late now. Just stop and think what’s going on each day in this country? More spending and more freedom taken away. They know we won’t do anything but complain and then it passes. We “talk the talk”, but we can’t “walk the walk” as the saying goes.
    I’ve advocated to every website I can get on to stop talking about it and DO SOMETHING! I decided that I’m the only person that wants to go to DC and take OUR country back. The Repubs aren’t going to do anything, because they’re scared of the “race” card. The libs are the racist, because they scream what they see in the mirror! They make me want to puke!
    If I make it to Heaven, I wonder what I’m going to say to all of the Veterans who died for freedom in this country when they ask why we did nothing to save America. We can say “we used harsh language” or “we threatened to remove them next election”.
    The Bible Codes, Part 2, on the “History Channel” talked about a comet hitting Earth in 2012 and part of the code was “Will you change it”, meaning God would break it up if we changed our evil ways. That was years before the evil which came into power in 2008 and only now does it all make sense. Believers get ready!!
    I just saw where “Pootin” said hands off Iran!! The American people are the only ones afraid of Obama, but it doesn’t have to be that way. GOD HELP US ALL!!

  • AL

    ACORN is corrupt enough that even the US Senate, except 11 slime balls, voted to withhold funding. now I see that the so called withholding is only for one month and then the money train is open again. How dishonest, disingenuous, and corrupt can Washington Lawmakers get.

  • chris curtan

    I love you guys. I can’t imagine what it’s like to be so angry and bitter. You guys LOST, fair and square. LIVE WITH IT, just like I had to live with 8 years of hate, bigotry, and destruction of the US. Myself, my business is doing just fine, My mortgage is 90% paid off, I’m living very comfortable and secure. I should blame my gay lovvin, liberal, pro immigrant self for my troubles!

    Enjoy losers, enjoy your pain!

    • trut

      You know Chris there is a limit to how many people a society can assimilate. This isn’t the same country it was 100 years ago. There’s not as much room. I think all the illegals should be sent back immediately, they drive down the cost of labor for all of us and send every extra dollar they have to foreign nations.

  • Snowbird In New Hampshire, USA

    On November 3rd, the Democrat Congress will be booted out and then the Republicans will take over and veto whatever Obama wants to do to further destroy our beautiful country!!!

    BTW: Why did Obama throw out the Christian Bible out of our WHITE house??? Pray tell……

  • trut

    Maybe Obama was sick of all the Christians buggering and sodomizing children. Al Franken was denied his senate seat for wayyy too long.

  • scott

    America is facing its darkest hour under this America-Hating president
    Obama and his group of tax-cheats,cronies and radicals are attacking freedom from every way possible….But this is the greatest country the world has ever seen,thankfully everyday there are thousands of people waking up to the fact that if we stand together and vote all these Looney-Left idiots out of office we can stop the Obama-nation of this great country
    Another topic concern’s obama’s Nobel “Coward” Prize,(guess he won it for doing nothing when Iranians were being killed in the streets holding sign’s in english asking for America’s help)now I see there are a group of very smart patriots who are putting together America’s own or real Nobel Peace Prize for past president Bush,as Bush should have won this prize for freeing millions of people in Iraq and laying the groud work for democracy in the mideast
    Though it’s no surprize obama won the euro-peace prize as they are a far left group of radicals who also hate America
    OBAMA IS A WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHES….If you put all the facts together about obama,anyone with common sense can see..HE IS PURE EVIL

  • geoffrey ellis aronson

    Nothing gives me greater pleasure than listening to a bunch of conservatives whining about their loss of political power. It´s like a bunch of bratty 6 year olds who have managed to create an uproar in a department store with their loud behaviour and alienated all the shoppers within, who when suddenly confronted by the store manager to behave or leave, start whining about that big bad mean man. I am still smirking away. Keep it up, Fox, Beck, Lush limbarg, bachman and palin….the rest of the world loves your antics. How amusing.

  • geoffrey ellis aronson

    If you Republicans had put up better leaders, we Democrats wouldn´t get so riled up. But Eisenhowers come around once in a lifetime. How about putting up Orrin Hatch for president, but no, you went with a dud like Bush Jr. When Nixon became president, you bypassed George romney. Another mistake. The only decent presidents you lucked out on was Reagan and Bush Sr. Bush Jr. was a crock.

  • Juanita

    Keep up with your smirking Geof, while Fox, Beck, Rush, Hannity, Bachman and Palin inspire us Patrick Henryiers, 9-12ers, tea-partiers, and millions more to work to bring freedom back to our Country. One example – exposing ACORN, ha, ha.* We don’t have time to whine, I can tell you.

    *However, your government is trying to bring back ACORN so that they can continue their dirty work, so we true conservative will have to be on our guard. No more ACORN-stolen elections like that of Al Frankenstein, if we can help it.

  • Art Van Nostrand

    The American Political mess is beyond bearable.I keep my powder dry and my weapons oiled. Just in case I have to defend my political freedom.I am afraid that my health will prevent me from contributing to the fight. Perhaps the situation will require citizens to stand on the laws that made this land free. i served my country and will continue to serve my country till the good Lord takes me home.

  • http://francisfye@gmail.com francisfye

    Why isn’t it alright to call the president a liar? After all I can write a book of his campaign promises of which he has reneighed on. The american people has the right to expect the same respect as the president. Lets stop this political correcteness thing. Andmy guns are loaded and under my pillow. The person or persons that think they can take them from will expose himself to a challenge.

  • http://YAHOO Linda Stemberger

    YOU DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO BE SO SORRY AFTER THOSE THINGS IN OFFICE ARE GOING TO STOP PAYING YOUR WELFARE AND PUT YOU ON THE SRTEETS WHERE YOU AND YOUR BRAINLESS BEINGS DESERVE. YOU ARE SO I DO NOT HAVE A WORD FOR WHAT YOU ARE.

  • http://none Sickofrepublicanmesses

    Wahoo, just a good ole barn burner here, y’all. I have never seen or heard such stupidity until I found this retarded forum. I for one will not stand for more corrupt Republicans in control anywhere. I don’t care if it’s a school board. You people think the fairy god father druggie Lush Limbaugh has any brain cells that actually work. You sure seem mesmerized by him and the rest of the right wing loony entertainers.Oh, you didn’t realize it was just for ratings and entertainment? Well hello and welcome to reality. You can set around and just wait for things to get better or you can take action, I mean we are talking about the worst economy this country has seen since the great depression, we are talking about the largest company in the world (GM) going broke as well as the other auto manufactures trailing close behind. Now I don’t know if you slumbering Republican, good ole boy, same as usual rip off the poor antics are ok with you. BUT its not ok with the real American intellectual, and its certainly not OK the put a retard like Palin in public office or even in front of a camera opening her semi-retarded mouth. It’s not ok so you people are either with us or get out of the way, because the abuse of the American people who actually have an education and something vested has gone on far too long.

  • Allan

    Intellectuals? Intellectuals don’t create jobs or donate much money to the “oppressed”. They teach revisionist views in universities. Pseudo-intellectuals sit on the sidelines, complain every day, and increasingly make threats. Generally speaking, they don’t start businesses, meet payrolls, or serve in the military. They don’t really respect their country, their military, their intelligence community, or their law enforcement community, but they want those services when they want. Thus they lack key experience, as is now obvious in the Obama administration. They hate religion (Christian that is) because they fundamentally don’t want to have to live by any prinicples other than the ones that work for them in the moment. I make that observation as a non-Christian. They (“intellectuals”) specialize in vile characterizations of conservatives (especially female conservatives) on TV and successful radio shows like Air America. Conservative talk is too biased and repetitive for me at times, but it is a far less vile in actual language than “progressive” offerings. The main problem for “intellectuals” is that not enough people agree with their unrealistic visions when fully revealed, despite all the intellect they claim to possess. (Why else would healthcare be decided in special deals behind closed doors?) Often intellectuals these days become apoplectic when they don’t get their way. Like it or not, there is a conservative trend building right now among independents (like me) and moderate Democrats. I agree that most of the politicians on both sides in Washington are mainly concerned with their own political futures. The ONLY realistic fix for it is term limits. I hope the intellectuals can hang on and get some experience over the next few years, so they can make a greater contribution to society than just complaining.

  • http://wingmn2@aol.com The Major

    As a new post-er here,I’ll be brief. Elections have been stolen or rigged for decades. Minn. or Mass.,what’s the difference. The goons are sent in by the bus load to rig the vote in certain areas. The only way to stop them is to change the Election laws that require proof of citizenship,PLUS backup ID’s w/photos. In my area,the 23rd
    Cong.Dist.of NY,,the election was rigged. If 2 of BHO’s pet groups of goons showed up,the SEIU & ACORN,,one backed the very liberal Repub.&
    the other backed the Dem. then how could we the people win,at all???
    BHO pulls our Rep. out to be Sec of Army,,WHY??.This dist. is not important,except for it’s large area, but NOT population,so WHY??
    If the population was growing,which it’s not,due to lack of jobs, then I can see SPLITTING the Dist.,,& get another Dem.,,but they all
    ready have the majority,,so WHY??. Was it just to prove that you can??
    As long as B. Hussein Obozo & his 40 thieves (czars)are in power,,his
    goons ,who don’t even try to hide the fact that they are getting off the bus to RIG elections in your state, will use FORCE in some Dist.’s
    to get things done the Chicago way, the Rahm Emanuel & BHO’s way,,not the American Way. Please pass the word to vote out the incumbent crooks by getting someone to run against them on PRIMARY DAY,,’cause if you wait ’til Election day,,it’s too late!!!

  • http://wingmn2@aol.com The Major

    As a new post-er here,I’ll be brief. Elections have been stolen or rigged for decades. Minn. or Mass.,what’s the difference. The goons are sent in by the bus load to rig the vote in certain areas. The only way to stop them is to change the Election laws that require proof of citizenship,PLUS backup ID’s w/photos. In my area,the 23rd
    Cong.Dist.of NY,,the election was rigged. If 2 of BHO’s pet groups of goons showed up,the SEIU & ACORN,,one backed the very liberal Repub.&
    the other backed the Dem. then how could we the people win,at all???
    BHO pulls our Rep. out to be Sec of Army,,WHY??.This dist. is not important,except for it’s large area, but NOT population,so WHY??
    If the population was growing,which it’s not,due to lack of jobs, then I can see SPLITTING the Dist.,,& get another Dem.,,but they all
    ready have the majority,,so WHY??. Was it just to prove that you can??
    As long as B. Hussein Obozo & his 40 thieves (czars)are in power,,his
    goons ,who don’t even try to hide the fact that they are getting off the bus to RIG elections in your state, will use FORCE in some Dist.’s
    to get things done the Chicago way, the Rahm Emanuel & BHO’s way,,not the American Way. Please pass the word to vote out the incumbent crooks by getting someone to run against them on PRIMARY DAY,,’cause if you wait ’til Election day,,it’s too late!!!

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