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They Don’t Want Us Doing This; We’re Doing It Anyway

August 11, 2011 by  

They Don’t Want Us Doing This; We’re Doing It Anyway

In a recent interview with a reporter from the BBC, I was asked what I thought about proposed cuts to foreign aid spending. “More than 10 percent in cuts, that’s pretty steep, right?”

My answer: “Steep? [Chuckling.] It’s all perspective, I guess. My preference? I’d like to see that number changed. To 100 percent.”

The reporter was shocked to a point of near-disbelief. The responses given to me were the common ones. I must be OK with people starving in the streets, or people dying of AIDS, or any number of other horrors that would obviously happen if the Federal government were to follow the rules given to it: the Constitution.

In another interview with The Washington Times last week, I was asked: “With all the talk about the 10th Amendment from candidates, what are voters getting from this?”

My response: “They’re getting duped. For probably a century, it hasn’t mattered which political party has held power in Washington, Federal power always grows.” I heard a bit of a chuckle in response.

What’s the point of these two seemingly unrelated discussions?

Problems Don’t Fix Themselves

On the one hand, there’s a considerably large segment of the establishment that would reel in horror at the thought of individuals having, well, personal liberty and the Federal government being limited to those few powers that have been delegated to it in the Constitution. On the other hand, there’s a large part of our own population (you know, we average people who want the Constitution followed on every issue, every time, with no exceptions and no excuses) who focus all their time, money and energy on Federal elections as a solution to our problems.

In my opinion, both ends of that spectrum are problematic, at best.

In regard to the latter, going to the Federal government to fix problems created by the Federal government not only doesn’t work; but after a century or so of trying, it might be bordering on insanity.

As I wrote in a recent column on Personal Liberty Digest™, there is a solution to our problems, and it doesn’t rely on the Federal government magically fixing itself. Instead, it lies with us — through the Jeffersonian remedy called nullification.

Nullification: Educating The Masses

In September 2010, the Tenth Amendment Center, in tandem with local groups around the country, launched a series of events around the country to educate people on these principles. The Nullify Now! tour has already been to eight cities and is heading to Kansas City, Mo., on Aug. 20; Jacksonville, Fla., on Oct. 22 ; plus Philadelphia; North Carolina; and elsewhere.

Our goal? Forcing State nullification — Thomas Jefferson’s doctrine that States must refuse to allow the enforcement of unConstitutional Federal laws — into the political discussion by means of a series of high-profile events. So far, it has been working.

For example, Texas State Representative David Simpson spoke at Nullify Now! in Fort Worth, Texas, while he was still a candidate for office last year. He went on to introduce legislation to nullify unConstitutional search and seizure by the Transportation Security Administration in Texas airports. While the bill didn’t go the distance, it got major national attention, bringing the idea that a State can and should step up to stop the unConstitutional TSA.

In other States, bills have been considered to nullify Washington’s unConstitutional acts on gold and silver, healthcare mandates, gun laws, Environmental Protection Agency regulations and more. Around the country, people are actually considering proposals to use their States to block the Federal government.

The Establishment Hates Nullification

In fact, it’s happening so much that some of those in the establishment who would reel in horror at the idea of personal liberty are out on the warpath. Rachel Maddow of MSNBC is just one example. She recently did a 14-minute segment on the subject of nullification. And her presentation, as you might guess, wasn’t a cheerleading session either.

The segment, titled “Confederates in the Attic,” was about how efforts today, primarily championed by the Tenth Amendment Center, to decentralize power and reject unConstitutional Federal “laws” are somehow directly related to slave owners in the pre-Civil War South.

No. That’s not a joke. She was quite serious.

She said: “A conservative group called the Tenth Amendment Center has been pushing a lot of the anti-health reform stuff… in the context of nullification. And they’re pushing for other kinds of nullification, too.”

The Center has been pushing anti-health reform stuff? Yep. We drafted the model bill, the Federal Health Care Nullification Act. Versions of our legislation — to either fully nullify or refuse compliance with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) — have been introduced in 11 States so far, and it’s making headway in a few, too.

We’re pushing for other kinds of nullification, too? Ab-so-freakin-lutely!

Two for two. Good job, Rachel! But, no, it’s not related to slave owners; it’s about decentralization — for freedom. In fact, nullification was used in opposition to Federal slave laws prior to the Civil War, but that’s something we can cover in more detail in a future column.

Rachel is not the only one trying to frame this movement in a negative light. The establishment has spent considerable time attacking our efforts, and the efforts of those pushing nullification. The Southern Poverty Law Center recently issued a “warning” that the Nullify Now! tour might be headed to a city near you. Saying “no” to Washington requires a “warning?” For lovers of endless central power, it sure does.

If you’re not catching any flak, you’re not over the target. And the Tenth Amendment Center, along with other advocates of nullification, are certainly over the target.

Real Progress

But it’s not just ideas and bill proposals that are happening. This is all building off an already-growing movement around the country.

Since 2007, 25 States have passed resolutions or binding laws refusing to comply with the 2005 Real ID Act. The result? That law is still on the books in Congress. It has never been challenged in court. Yet, due to massive State-level resistance, that law sits null and void in much of the country.

Fifteen States are now defying both Congress and the Supreme Court on marijuana. Eight States have passed Firearms Freedom Acts, making State law that a gun made in State and sold in State is not part of “interstate commerce” and the Feds need to keep their dirty hands off. Seven States have passed Health Care Freedom Acts to block health care mandates from being enforced. And in Utah, a bill was passed this year allowing gold and silver to be used as legal tender. If enough States do that and enough people start using metal for currency, the entire Federal Reserve system should be quaking in its boots. Ending the Fed from the bottom up is the idea, and it’s going to work.

Not Just A Good Idea: Duty

James Madison informed us that nullification is not just something to talk about, or take action on after trying everything else. Instead, it’s your State’s duty to stand between the Federal government and you to protect your liberty. He called it “interposition.” In Virginia Resolution of 1798, he wrote:

That this Assembly doth explicitly and peremptorily declare, that it views the powers of the federal government, as resulting from the compact, to which the states are parties; as limited by the plain sense and intention of the instrument constituting the compact; as no further valid that they are authorized by the grants enumerated in that compact; and that in case of a deliberate, palpable, and dangerous exercise of other powers, not granted by the said compact, the states who are parties thereto, have the right, and are in duty bound, to interpose for arresting the progress of the evil, and for maintaining within their respective limits, the authorities, rights and liberties appertaining to them.  [emphasis added]

Something significant is happening around the country. Plenty of informed people are beginning to make a stand in the name of a doctrine that the establishment despises. The idea is already reaching the general public. More and more people are understanding that elections don’t fix things. They never do. While our “leaders” would like us to believe that all roads lead to them, the fact of the matter is that it’s only through us — decentralized activism and nullification — that we’ll see a growth of liberty in this country.

Nullification isn’t just some historical oddity. It’s not just a good idea. It’s our duty to say no to violations of our liberty.

Sheriff Richard Mack put it best in a recent interview on Tenther Radio. His message to Washington? “Shove it up 1600 Pennsylvania, and leave us the hell alone!”

They don’t want us doing this. We are doing it anyway. Be a part of it, and Nullify Now!

–Michael Boldin

Michael Boldin

is the founder and executive director of the Tenth Amendment Center. Michael has a full schedule working as senior editor of the Center's website, writes a regular column, fields media interviews, and travels the country (when invited, of course) to speak to crowds about sticking to the Constitution — every issue, every time, no exceptions, no excuses. [send him email]

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  • s c

    Do it. Whatever it takes to be rid of would-be tyrants who think they were born to control us. It’s no accident that Maddow said ‘confederates.’ Who told her to say it is the one to watch.
    Maddow is an entry-level hired gun who will never wield any power.
    Let me put this in words that even Maddow can understand. She needs a 20 mile hike with a 75 pound field pack. Then, if she can handle that, she needs to be summarily ^&*@$-slapped into 2015.
    I can’t wait to hear if Maher will treat Maddow like the braying jackass she is. We can only hope. Maher needs to be consistent, though, and treat all women like dirt. It’s what progressives do. Maher and Maddow deserve each other, but that’s another story.

    • Richard

      HAHA S C , bad memories (some at least) early today. I packed a load. 75 is just more than half. Light grunt days long ago. We’re getting close to 40% unemployment now all due to free trade and tax incentives for offshoring and Americans won’t even do anything about that so in the end nullification is just good blog traffic rhetoric.

      • Richard

        I did spend an afternoon emailing the Tenth email to every Representative in the State but I never even got one reply.

        • JACK3889



          • mark

            Right! I agree! This was what got that other nutjob – Glenn Beck off the air at FOX!

          • http://naver samurai

            Wrong answer Mark. Glen Beck had high ratings and FOX didn’t want him to go. It was his decision to go and not you leftist morons. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님과 국가 대 한!

          • http://ByGeorge By George

            Samurai has it right. Mark is obviously ignorant. But, Samurai is a Japanese word. Why Korean at the end?

        • JACK3889


          • bob wire

            Hmm? If there was 75 million more “Jack’s” in the world maybe you could pull that off.

            But since there is not, ~ it’s just fun to hear you rant.

            Attacking little Rachel now are we? Hmm? must have been something she said.

            Maddow is a brain, not a cowboy, why ask her to compete with you with something your are good at? Try using yours, it’s much like a muscle, the more you use it the more powerful it gets.

            Ms. Maddow holds several degrees, including a Doctorate and would be a most able administrator to whatever she applied herself too,if she desired it.

            Maddow is unique from all other talking heads today in that she actually looks for solutions to problems with her exposing, in-depth commentary.

            That you dislike her, I see as a good thing. We don’t need more cowboys today.

          • joseph p bell

            DEAR Jack : every year the newspapers print a “copy ?”of the Constitution ; I find that 99.9% of reporters know “Crapola ” about it .. ESP. the neo-con ones and twos and threes ? ;Thank you for your comment . may there be many more of the same .GOOD LUCK to you and all others with your mentality .

          • Kate8

            bw – So you think holding several degrees proves her intelligence?

            All it proves is how thoroughly indoctrinated she is by liberal academia. She can regurgitate information. She hasn’t learned HOW to think, she’s only been taught WHAT to think. She demonstrates that very well by her parroting the liberal/communist propaganda line.

            Being able to spew distortions and outright lies is not a sign of a fine mind.

          • just little ole me

            Mark I am sorry to burst your bubble that is not what got Glenn Beck off of fox. He chose to go so he could start his own network. It is no secret you are just missed informed. He is coming back stronger on GBTV with many more people with his same great/good ideals. Thousands and perhaps millions have already signed up. He has his own network now on the Internet. People can get to him faster and better than ever. (Sorry Jack replying to your message because there wasn’t a reply button on Mark’s.)

            You are so grossly misinformed. You have probably never followed any of his shows and are judging by little clips you may see on the other media stations like CNN, MSNBC and so forth. You can not judge something unless you become informed. I have watched the other stations, read left wing books so that I can have my eyes opened on both sides than formed my own judgement. Please do the same.

            I believe and I am only hypothesizing (but I am willing to bet I am right) the reason you are here is because you want to prove you are right, agenda. I also believe you like to stir up contention, you thrive on it. Why else would you come here. Your ideals do not match the majority here nor your values. For example, I have neighbors who like to stir up contention around our neighborhood, makes them feel big and important. Looking for anything they can get others on trouble with, and at times they lie so they can call the police and stick it to their neighbors and then go around playing the hero of law. I also have a word of advice for others who feel as I do. Stop entertaining those who only want to pick a fight and have an agenda, they won’t have their minds changed or nor will they tolerate those of us like this (this is the only message that will entertain Mark to let him no he will get nothing from me (I am not your guinea pig). Perhaps if we don’t respond they won’t keep taunting us. It is time we stop entertaining those who feed like leeches off of negativity. This is not what our country is about it is where minds get together and support ideas so others who want to can enlighten their minds. Unfortunately we have many in our government who feel on us like this as well. They want to see us squirm. Mark of course has the right to post here and he will but we have the right to not entertain or respond. When will the people on the left get it.

            Others will say we aren’t being American when we do that but when ever did the founding fathers feed off of such baloney. They despise us to no end. They never entertained things that would bring chaos, disharmony and destruction. They simply let them speak but they had the right to ignore it. Please understand I am not trying to name call, I am simply trying to put what is plainly in view in focus. Thank you. I have a thought perhaps we should stop entertaining plans of evil/viciousness and no good will toward man. It is time we are not afraid of offending the devil (okay Mark don’t get yourself into a joyful excitement and think I am calling you the devil (so you can come back on me about it), I just think you are being influenced by him). Yes no proof for sure and you won’t even know it either that is how the devil works). Call me crazy, call me a fool. I don’t care. Since you won’t be getting a reply from me you will probably be sad. I won’t even entertain your ideas, I’ve already seen and studied it through people like you.

            Remember Mark I am only hypothesizing. I expect that I will get a resounding hated message from you or you will try to show yourself as reasonable to try and prove me wrong. So be it I am tired of trying to understand and befriend people who so blatantly show their contempt for me or anyone like me. YOU don’t want to understand you only want to hurt the other side. Peace be to you may your journey be well hopefully uneventful.

          • Jana

            I agree with you on this one. Maddow is an educated idiot. She spews pure venom out of her mouth.
            Solutions? HA! With her solutions we would become a Communist Country. NO!

          • pete0097

            Rachael has a degree in Public Policy and a doctorate in philosophy. Neither of those degrees gives her qualifications to do anything but talk on the radio. She has no science degrees which would give her at least a small backround in economics. I even wonder if she knows how to balance her checkbook.

          • eddie47d

            Is that double speak Kate 8? You fall for every conspiracy theory that comes along even when they don’t pan out. Never hear a retraction from you or are you waiting for them to all become true?

          • Kate8

            eddie – Just exactly what is it that hasn’t panned out? What retractions would you like?

          • JeffH

            Kate8, gotta luv em huh? NOT! Polly #1 is about as sharp as a parrot is smart(I do think the feathered kind of parrot wins this one)…then you got bw…oh what a spokeman for liberalism(there’s those darned labels again) he’s turned out to be…I actually think he likes Maddow more for her “manly appearance” and her “degrees and intellect” are just his way to cover.

          • bobby r

            GBeck IS NO a nutjob. GBeck proved with evidence EVERYTHING that is occurring today because he took the time to check and check facts and videos and all that covers his truth.

          • DaveH

            Obviously, Bob Wire, those degrees (if she even has any) have done her no good. She embraces politics that have ruined countries throughout history. How ignorant is that? If she can’t learn from history’s experience, how could she learn from college?
            Here is reality for anybody with half-a-brain:

            Look at the countries on the bottom of the list, the ones with the most Government intrusion in their citizens lives. Is this what an intelligent person aspires to? I think not.

          • Old Henry

            Well stated Kate8!

            I have known my share of “educted idiots”.

        • FreedomFighter

          Artical was an Excellent read.

          Best buy some silver, gold and lead, if you can.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

          • joseph p bell


          • mark

            Just little ole me: No FOX definitely took Beck off the air. But being a sharp entrepreneur and gold salesman, he rebounded and continues to broadcast with some success. He has a following without doubt. But his crazy conspiracy theories involving George Soros and others became too much even for FOX News especially their sponsors and numerous more mainsteam conservatives. A tipping point arrived when Beck tried to tie the Muslim Brotherhood’s activities in the Egyptian Revolution with Democratic union protesters in Madison, Wisconsin peacefully demonstrating in favor of collective bargaining rights. Beck claimed they were all part of the same conspiracy, an obviously cuckoo idea. Protestant and Catholic Mom and Pop school teachers in Wisconsin (they all brought bunt cakes and Packer gear to their protests) in league with Muslim terrorists?! I realize that people will believe ANYTHING but this proved too much even for most conservatives and libertarians. I have watched Beck many times. He is a tremendous entertainer. He basically sells over-the-top conspiracy theories wedded to dimestore pieties and declarations of patriotism: a potent brew. But he is definitely plugged into the paranoid, survivalist, Obama-is-the-devil wing of the conservative and libertarian movements which many on this website subscribe to also. But FOX News wanted to maintain at least a veneer of legitimacy, so they had to let him go. Plus his rating were down considerably. The novelty effect of his bizarre blackboard rants, crying jags, and adoration of the Founding Slaveholders wore off after a year or so.

          • Kate8

            Even if FOX did take Glenn off the air, what is your point? You never trusted FOX anyway, right?

            FOX is just another controlled “news” outlet, like all the others. They don’t allow too much truth to be told. So if Glenn WAS let go, it would only be to his credit.

          • DaveH

            Do you at least blush when you state such nonsense as “Democratic union protesters in Madison, Wisconsin peacefully demonstrating”?

            Here is some reality about the Union Protests:

          • DaveH

            And some video proof:

            you have to love these peaceful unionists.

          • Old Henry

            joseph p bell,

            Shouldn’t that be Corpseman?

          • mark

            DaveH, there were no brandishing of weapons, no discharging of weapons, and no fatalities or serious injuries at the Madison demonstrations, certaily some heated talk and a few scuffles but by no means anything drastic. To hear Beck sell it you would think that the unions had shot down hundreds of Wisconsin State police in cold blood. Of course not one of them even went to the hospital with a sprained pinky. Wisconsites are not wild Bolshevik revolutionaries just union members standing up for their rights in the great American tradition that goes back over a century. Even in the violent events in the past it was overwhelming armed state and security forces cutting down largely unarmed union members. Then the papers would write it up as “union violence” when of course 9 out of 10 times it was management violence.

          • DaveH

            Unions thrive on coercion, Mark. What else would you call a picket line that verbally abuses those who dare to cross it? They try to drive away customers and they try to drive away replacement workers with their abusive tactics. Instead of being thankful that somebody gave their lowlife selves a job, they try to hurt that somebody.
            What would you say about somebody standing on your sidewalk making nasty remarks to any visitors that you might have? You wouldn’t call that trespassing or coercion? I would.
            The more you try to rationalize bad behavior as being good, the more you make your comments irrelevant.

          • DaveH
      • Alex

        Begging your pardon, but unemployment isn’t caused by free trade. Unemployment is caused by government interference. The only real tax “incentives” businesses offshore receive is reduced taxes, tarriffs, and oversight. They are not given an incentive to go offshore. They go offshore to escape the excessive taxation, unreasonable tarriffs, labor unions that force unreasonable salaries, and government oversight that limits or prohibits everything they do.

        In other words, the incentive to go offshore is to be profitable while still being competitive. Companies that stay here pay so much in taxes, tarriffs, and labor that they can’t afford to be competitive. So they have to either raise their prices or cut their production costs (i.e. their labor).

        If you add additional taxes to a business, all you’ve done is increase their cost of production, and only a fool thinks that a company pays those tax increases. It’s either passed on to the consumer in the form of increased retail prices, or it’s passed on to the worker in the form of unemployment. When it does get passed on to the consumers, the result is a decrease in demand, which leads to a lower net revenue, which leads to a cut in production, which leads to a cut in labor (i.e. unemployment). When it does not get passed on to the consumer, the increase in production cost means there must necessarily be a cut in production cost to match (i.e. unemployment).

        In both scenarios there is a cut in labor, a cut in production costs, a lower output of product for a reduced demand, and a net loss in profit. Which means that the prices still have to go up.

        The end result is that Americans pay for the tax increase imposed on the business, and then pay higher prices and suffer unemployment.

        So with all due respect, you need to read some books on economics.

        • oldtimeyman

          Excellent summary, Alex. To which I might add; Get the government off our backs and watch business, revenue and employment skyrocket.

          • USAF VET

            I wonder if any of you remember the Teamster strike many years ago. That was not people demanding higher wages and better working conditions. It was the Teamster bosses trying to wreck the independents, and they sure did some damage. There were 2 or 3 independent drivers that were seriously hurt, and one that lost his life. Also a number of them had their tractors severly damaged, some beyond repare. They lost not only their trucks, but their livelyhood because they couldn’t afford to repair or purchase a new vehicle. So don’t tell me about Union protests being benin or anything like that, the Union bosses love it when they can create strife and cause damage to property and people, but they sure do cry foul when it is one of theirs that gets hurt, even though it was them that instigated it in the first place……

        • kkflash

          Exactly, Alex! Shrink government, especially Federal government, and grow the economy. Vice versa works too, as we’ve proven over & over since the 30′s. Why is it so hard to teach politicians that taking more out of the economy in the form of taxes and regulatory burdens, in the end, results in government having LESS revenue to spend, not more? They’d get more total revenue with a smaller piece of a much bigger pie. Either way, they must be forced to live within their means as does every financially successful family and business.

          The employees and elected representatives that make up government work for the people, not the other way around. This article on nullification does a great job of pointing out one of the powerful tools we the people, as owners of this country, have and must use to keep ultimate control in the hands of we the people. Federal government must be made to understand that its proper role is and will always be subordinate to the rights of states, which in turn are subordinate to the rights of the free individuals that granted them all the power they have. We the people own this country, and its time we took back our individual ownership rights from the professional politicians and once again make the employees subordinate to the owners.

        • ONTIME

          Maddow speaks out of convenience and it is convenient for her to speak from her rectal orifice as do many libs.

          Listen to carney when he confronts the press and how he passes off that sleight of hand answers like the unemployment money. The damn fool actually thinks that taking money from tax payers and redistributing it as unemployment creates jobs. Where does he think the money comes from? The money is just passing thru as a way to pay for a purchase, it does not mean it created a job, unless you count all those government employees we pay for feigning work and handing out unemployment.

        • oldbill

          Unemployment is caused by a lack of jobs. If Congress creates jobs, they will disappear as soon as they are no longer financed by the government. If jobs are created to fulfill demands for goods and services, the jobs will last as long as the demand exists and is not supplied. If one wants a job, I would suggest getting married. I have always had a job as long as I was married. Silly? You should marry one of my three wives. They require funds that cannot be supplied while unemployeed.

        • holly homan

          so states want to not have to abide by laws of the constitution. So tell me, what is the point in having a constitution? So many people say “leave me the hell alone,” but are more than willing to interfere in the private decisions of others. Remember Terry Shaivo? What about interfering with gays and lesbians who want the same freedoms as everyone else? You’re all for freedom until that freedom is endowed to someone you feel shouldn’t have them because it’s against your religious beliefs. What about interfering in a woman’s choice about her own reproductive health decisions? You’re all for interfering there. So who gets to pick and choose which liberties guaranteed by our US constitution we don’t abide by and which ones we do?

          • Alex

            Holly, I’m not sure what it is you’re going on about. All the government agencies at all levels are violating our rights, from local police officers violating our fourth and fifth amendments to the federal government violating our second, fourth, ninth, tenth, etc.

            There’s nothing about this thread that is fighting for or against abortion, gay rights, or the right for someone to unplug you if you’re a vegetable. Nor has anyone pushed religion. Our constitution exists to protect our life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. The best decision in any given situation isn’t always clear to those who are trying to make the right choice for the good of the people.

            Since you did choose to open those cans of worms, let me say a few words …

            It’s a fact that the killing of an unborn child is deemed a homocide in this country in every respect except abortion. If a man is speeding on the highway and causes an accident that kills a pregnant woman, he is charged with two counts of wreckless homocide (there are several actual cases). If someone does something that causes a woman to lose her “baby,” she has proper grounds to sue for damages, and it is considered a child. It only ceases to be a child when it’s an inconvenience to the woman carrying it.

            In this case, if it be argued that it is, in fact, a child, then it has the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And the government, according to the Declaration of Independence, is established to protect that right. So with direct respect to our constitution and the freedoms of this country, abortion should be illegal because it encroaches upon the rights of another, viz. the baby.

            In the next instance, concerning gay rights …

            Gays have all the same rights as everyone else. What they are asking for are additional rights that go above and beyond what the average American citizen gets. They want the right to be sexually deviant and be accepted as normal when they clearly are not normal. Penis and vagina together procreating for the furtherance of our species is both normal and natural. Penis and rectum is not normal, and no one should have to be forced to call it normal for the sake of political correctness. Neither is vagina and plastic penis strapped over vagina normal.
            However, no one is persecuting gays for being gay. If they get made fun of for being unnatural, tough. If they choose to live an alternate lifestyle openly, they should grow a thicker skin. People also make fun of mentally retarded people, cripples, goth kids, punks, tattoo fanatics, etc. But none of them are demanding that they be treated as equal and normal, because they know they aren’t normal and are willing to acknowledge it.
            BUT, all that aside, gays have not been denied the rights available to all other Americans. Again, they want something more. It’s a fact that marriage is an institution of religion. The government should have never had their sticky fingers in the process to begin with. Even Satanists (and I’ve known a few over the years) get married in a religious ceremony. The typical American doesn’t want the government dictating to them who they must or must not marry. As Christians, we have the right to view the unnatural act of homosexuality as sinful. It’s our freedom of religion. And we have the right to refuse to marry two same sex individuals.
            What the government CAN do is allow a civil union. But the gays are not willing to accept that alternative, even though it affords them the “rights” they feel they have otherwise been denied. They want to be called and recognized as “married” in a society of people who feel that they are not “married,” but merely gay, living together in a civil union.
            So it’s the freedom of religion that stands in the way of the gay issue. No one is ignoring the constitution. They are actually following it by staying out of a religious issue.

            And finally, about the vegetable girl …

            The religious community should have stayed out of that. From a religious point of view, God selected her for death. It was man interfering and keeping her alive. It wasn’t those wanting to pull the plug who were playing God by letting nature take its course. It was those insisting that she remain on life support to be kept alive artificially who were playing God.
            That’s as much as can be offered on that one. You can argue that she had a right to life, but the husband had a right to the pursuit of happiness. My best guess is to pull the plug and let the God who gave her the unalienable right to life decide if she was done with hers.

            All that said, Holly, this thread is about economics and the process of nullification. What can we, as a people, do about the encroachment of government upon our civil liberties.

        • Jay

          Oh sure Alex, inundate us with sound logic and reason. That is just so typical of you! (-:

        • DanB

          One of the best comments I have read. This is what I have wanted to say so many times when I have read people blaming the businesses for taking their business elsewhere, or not creating jobs, etc.. The typical argument is to tax them more until they do what the people want. I have tried to argue again and again that our very actions are driving businesses out of business or overseas, but I always knew I was not making the best case in my words. I think I improved over time. When I saw your comment here, I thought “this is exactly what I’ve been trying to say!” Excellent! I love it.

        • TonyC

          Alex is exactly correct!

        • Fred

          Sorry Alex, this was meant as a reply to Mark, but no “reply” button there. Just to prove the myth of Beck being fired is just that: a myth.

          We need facts, people. Not just hot air. Peace!

        • Sharon

          I loved your answer so much, I sent a copy to my Congressman and Senators. Thank you for stating my views so articulately.

      • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

        The problem is the education gap. Kids are not learning about our Constitution, or the trials gone through; they learn how to be gay, the government way.

        Public Schools no longer teach what our founders had to say, and they teach conformity; been going on and growing since the early 1900′s at least. Now branching out into disrespect for parents, etc. But you can still read some good stuff in Imprimis Magazine, from Hillsdale College, in Michigan.

        We have let the “experts” sow the wind, and now reaping the whirlwind!

        • Richard

          Sounds like we are being exposed to the early stages of a Marxist movement. They advocated having the people believe every word they said. Having no respect for others is there also. The list goes on and on. MY OPINION, acceptance or denial by citizens ,is their call.

      • Dan az

        This is the logic that we must stand for or else!
        “BAIL’EM OUT!!! ????
        Hell, back in 1990, the Government seized the Mustang Ranch, a brothel in Nevada , for tax evasion and, as required by law, tried to run it.. They failed and it closed.
        Now, we are trusting the economy of our country, our banking system, our auto industry and possibly our health plans to the same Dumbs–ts who couldn’t make money running a whore house and selling whiskey?!”

        “What the Hell are we thinking?????

    • USAF VET

      The thing of it is Maher is, himself, a braying jackass so what’s the difference if he opens his mouth or Maddow opens hers. You get the same BS, just a different tone of voice. They usually parrot each other anyway.

      • bob wire

        No they don’t, ~ they are simple dislike the same and for the same reasons. and you know it so and if you don’t ~ you have not invested much time in listening to her show.

        • USAF VET

          I don’t invest much time at all listening to braying jackasses. Keith Olberman is another one that just doesn’t get it and is in the same class. HEE HAW HEE HAW HEE HAW.

          • bob wire

            I understand, ~ Keith is often, far too crass and over the top for me as well. ~ Like Rush, just too much passion in one person.

            But as long as there is a Rush, ~ there will be a place for a Keith.

            It’s a counter balance ~ lessen the attack , lessen the defense.

            “Needs” are created and answered. ~ Remove the need and you remove Keith.

          • Jana

            USAF VET,
            I have listened to them until it just made me sick to my stomach.
            They have bought into the Communist manifesto hook line and sinker. I will not bother with them any more. Give me Rush L. any day.

          • eddie47d

            Well said Bob Wire for every action there is a reaction and that is a good thing . Anything else would be censorship. I turned purple with rage Jana, watching Glenn Beck and stopped listening to his nonsense. I guess that makes us equal in outrage! We both correctly (in our own minds) changed the channel.

          • Kate8

            Well, eddie. Sometimes the truth hurts when it doesn’t fit with your fantasies.

          • Jay

            Kate, don’t let the underdeveloped baboon trouble you! Even eddie has a function on this planet, however minor, and juvenile that function may be!

          • Kate8

            Jay – Yes. So do mosquitos, flies and cockroaches.

          • Jay


          • BrotherPatriot


          • eddie47d

            … or your fantasies Kate. I say just change the channel and later on you say you don’t watch much TV or leave it off. I would say that puts us on the same page.(on this particular comment)

          • Kate8

            Really grasping at straws with this one, eddie?

            You haven’t made a lick of sense.

        • CJM

          bobwire: I have ‘taken the time’ to listen to maddow and her stupid cousin, bill maher….they aren’t worth the time of day and nothing they say is of substance. Perhaps you should develop some critical listening skills so you could discern what they are saying….which is ‘destroy America.’ What they are hopeful about is that they become one of the new elites of the dictatorship so they won’t have to give up THEIR wealth. Have you heard either one talk about how the taxes the nut in the WH wants Americans to pay will affect them? Of course not, they are too busy negotiating with the wannabe dictator in order to protect both their azzez and assets.

          • bob wire

            Actually, I am a professional listener and make a fair living at it without the need of begging someone for a job or some “entitlement”.

            If anyone can enjoy Beck or Rush and then hate Maddow. It’s not listening ability but a predisposed bias that accounts for you pleasure.

            Maddow lives in today America for the better or worst of it. Rush and Glen are hanging on to old America, the days of Ward and June Clever.

            I enjoyed those days as well, but the world has moved on (without my permission, I might add)

            We can’t go back, it not the nature of time. ~ I understand you not wanting to accept today’s affairs. But refusing to accept them won’t make them go away.

            That you might subscribe to Beck and Rush is most understandable, but these men have the same sickness that you have. The inability to cope with change. They are not happy people, you are not happy people. I heard you tell me how unhappy you are. There is no contentment in your lives. Rather then you changing, you expect the world to change.

            Resistance to any change dominates your life, while life is demanding change, so you fight and fight and blame the world around you for forcing chance on you.

            Birds of the same feather stick together for comfort in the unending storm of change and that why you are here and take comfort in like minds that validate your inability to cope. Maddow, eddie, me, are viewed as simply turds in your punch bowel as we attempt to shine light in dark corners and bring you into today’s world, the world you run from and yearn for yesterday, when things were “better”

          • Jana

            Yeah, bob wire is a professional at EVERYTHING. WOW.

        • DaveH


    • Al Sieber

      sc, I agree. what we really need is a very large political “enema” to clean out all these crappy politicians and flush them down the toilet. from the local, to the Fed. level.

      • Kate8

        Al – There are people out there who are fighting for us, and they need our support and participation.

        Jonathan Emord is a Constitutional lawyer with many years of practice before the Supreme Court. He has many great ideas. One of them is an entire plan he’s put together to pay of the national debt, eliminate the personal income tax and return America to solvency and liberty.

        He lists all of the pork agencies, programs and other things Congress spends money on that are not in the interests of the American people and need to be eliminated. This, he says, would accomplish this goal in a short time.

        Congress does not want to cut spending because they serve the “greater” cause (NWO) and it’s all part of the “program”. They are all gutless wonders.

        The point is, this crisis CAN be solved, and nullification would be a great start. But it’s going to be up to We the People, and I do believe that there are enough of us if we all stand up.

        Unfortunately, many of us are old and tired. But we still have some fire left in us if we stop listening to talking heads who tell us we can’t.

        • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

          I find nobody with the political knowledge doing anything other than the old party line. I guess the Media keeps those who might lead firmly in check. I watched my father fight for truth and justice politically, and be made fun of, or worse.

          In today’s society, where you going to get the critical mass of money and intelligent, concerned people to beard the establishment lions in their dens?

          I do note that the Focus on the Family people are building and reaching out a lot, but they also are fiercely maligned, called names, and harassed. Look at Citizen Link on the ‘Net.


          • Christin

            Lewis Munn,

            Good post.

            The ‘old party line’ folks are against the ‘Focus on the Family’ folks because they do NOT want the Family to be Strengthened, United and Empowered.

            Our families are under attack and falling apart… as a planned effort by the Godless (this includes any gov that does not give FREEDOMS to its people)…

            How? Well…

            * Diverse sexual agendas are being taught at school…
            * Sex Ed teachers are passing out condoms at school so our youth will think being promiscuous is okay everybody is doing it…
            * The government via Computer sites (Al Bore) are teaching that Parents are dumb and just don’t know what is right nowadays…
            * Laws are being passed to lessen a parents authority over their children…
            * Government groups (can’t think of the name) can take your child away from you even if someone reports a false abuse, beating, or just a loud argument…
            * I’d say even ‘technology gadgets’ are a killer to socializing with each other…
            * The War on Drugs by the Fed gov is a joke and many teens end up doing drugs, many getting hooked thus the kids lives may become a mess or they overdose… lots of family problems aiding in the breakdown…
            * Government/Liberals are attacking ‘religion’ and God’s laws taking the Ten Commandments and Prayer out of schools and gov buildings AND taking away the Pastors RIGHT to preach on certain topics (homosexuality) thus watering down the Word of God (Bible message) and the TRUTH

            So you can see the Progressives, Liberals, Elites and NWO folks MUST BREAK DOWN the ‘Family Structure’ along with …the Freedoms in the Constitution & cover up that they are granted by God, and the Financial strength of our currency and economy to kill America.

          • Kate8

            Christin – You are right on.

            Now that we know all this, what do we do? Many parents have resorted to homeschool, or private, if they can afford it. But gov’t is even passing mandates for this stuff for them, and they will send social workers out to question the children and make sure they are learning it according to state mandate.

            There are organizations and parents fighting these things, but are being pretty much ignored. It seems conservatives no longer have rights. And this is okay with the liberal crowd. Hmmmm.

            And don’t forget the UN Rights of the Child. Meaning, parents no longer have rights over their children. They’ve been replaced by gov’t.

            BTW, when I speak of liberal/conservative ideologies, I’m referring to the people, not politicians.

        • Old Henry

          Nailed it again Kate8!

          Are you a carpenter? Or, should that be carpentress?

          • BrotherPatriot

            I know the name that I would use for not just her but for many others that post here…it’s a…


            God Bless.

          • Kate8

            BrotherPatriot – Patriots indeed! And children of the Living God!

            God bless you, too.

        • BrotherPatriot

          I’ll have to check into that link for Jonathon Emord, Kate8. I’m always happy to hear someone is fighting for the Constitution & it sounds like we have the right guy for the job. We need more people out there speaking some common sense & truth about what is really happening right out in plain site.

          Some of these activities that have been going on for sometime are punishable by law. Such as committing fraud against the people of the United States of America for over 100 years now by a secret community of people under variously named organizations. This groups secret Agenda is followed down through the years and past on through their children. So much evidence is provided from so many sources that I believe the equation has gone terminal for this secret society. We are seeing them step up their plans in haste because time is running out for them.

          They know this.

          The puppet in office is about to be exposed for the fraud that he is and it will help create the dominoe effect that we believe is coming. They have indeed road blocked everything from the Kennedy assassination to the ponzi scheme that is the Federal Reserve.

          Interesting times we live in.

          God Bless.

          • BrotherPatriot

            I said that there are many sources that support the evidence that history provides on this group of people.

            The source that I will site is “Brotherhood of Darkness”, by Dr. Stanley Montieth.

            I will leave it to others to post the many others that are out there…any takers?

            God Bless.

          • Kate8

            BrotherPatriot – You are right. They know we are on to them and they’re pushing hard now. They only strategy they ever had is deception, mind-control and brute force.

            Darkness will never win. We can be sure of that, because the seeds of destruction are built in to its very nature.

            We, on the other hand, can be sure of Divine Intervention to put all things right.


          • BrotherPatriot


        • Al Sieber

          Kate, thanks for the link, seems like there’s still hope.

          • Kate8

            Al – There will always be hope.

            The only thing that we can be sure never changes is the fact that things will always change!

    • Lost in Paradise

      You stand corrected SC, it is MADCOW. She is a real piece of work for sure. LOL

    • Old Henry

      Wow S C you are up late, or early.

      Richard, and anyone else here. Take a look at this article I read in News with Views today.

      • JeffH

        Old Henry, good read…thanks for the post!

        • Jay

          Dittos, good post!

      • DaveH

        Stay focused, guys. Protectionism had a lot to do with the economic calamity that we know as the Great Depression.
        NAFTA is NOT Free Trade. Free Trade is NOT administered by Government Panels! So if that were the author’s beef, I could understand it, but it appears that his beef is with Free Trade itself.
        Protectionism works for the protected, like welfare works for welfare recipients. The rest of us suffer. There are many problems with Protectionism. I will just touch on a couple.
        1) Protected companies get inefficient and lazy just like welfare recipients get inefficient and lazy. Who pays for their ever shoddier and more expensive products as a result of their laziness? The rest of us, of course.
        2) Other countries retaliate us against us and tariff or ban our exported products, so our exporters suffer. Our economy worsens as a result.

        Please read this article and understand the concept, because we are going to need as many knowledgeable people as we can get to stop the inevitable bashing of Free Trade (which we don’t really have) by Big Government:

        • Old Henry


          I took it that he wants Free Trade on and EVEN playing field. All NAFTA did was tip the scales against the US worker / company, which if you look at the big picture that was what was planned.

          • DaveH

            I think you need to reread the article, Henry.
            Any kind of “level playing field” involves Government intervention, because people like him will always whine the foreign Governments subsidize their industries, or protect them with tariff, or ….. therefore we should do the same (level playing field). The truth is that protectionism hurts the citizens. Those countries are hurting their own people. Just as our Government is hurting us when they get involved in the marketplace.
            One of the author’s main themes is “Buy American”. Sure, if we want to pay more, and buy less. That’s great for those specific American companies, but not great for the consumer.
            We are not in this mess because Americans are buying foreign goods. We are in this mess because Big Government is taking 40% of our wealth, and using some of it to administer productivity-stifling regulations.
            Keep your eye on the ball, Henry.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            We have never had free trade or free markets between the US and foreign nations since the inception of this country. It is impossible to deal with foreign markets if the economies of foreign nations are controlled by their governments or kings or queens or tribal leaders,etc., (at this point in history our economy is government controlled as well). We have never dealt in trading business to business or trader to trader.

      • Connie

        Thanks Old Henry. This was a long, but exceptionally good read I’ll be forwarding to all my like minded friends. Greatly appreciated.

        • Old Henry

          You are welcome Connie. Email it to un-like-minded folks as well.

          As Ben puts it in his article you can possibly create some cracks..

          • Connie

            Old Henry, trust me, the unlike thinking will be the first to receive it. Not that most would take the time to actually read, due to their desire to remain ignorant and uninformed – which is why they still support the demoncratic party with their votes.

  • Tridntru

    Rachel whoooooooo?

    • iam

      Rachel Madcow. She has a radio show and a television show. She spews ignorant hatred. I tried listening to her once. Waste of time.

      • bob wire

        Once? what did you learn in 5 minutes that swayed you to the dark side?

        • USAF VET

          I think bob wire has his left and his right mixed up. The Dark Side? No Socialism is on the dark side, big government is on the dark side, the Nanny State is on the dark side. We want freedom not Big Government telling us what to do. In the words of the Great American Fred Thompson, “Why do they call it common sense when it is sooooooo uncommon?”.

          • Jana

            USAF VET,
            Are you just learning this about bob wire? And, if you DARE make him mad he threatens and gets mean. He thinks in his own mind that this will force us to do what he says. He and Al Gore have a lot in common, and I know that’s a compliment to him.

          • Jay

            Yes, watch out bob wire. Don’t get him mad, if you do, he’ll inundate you with with his mental wit, and humour until you cry uncle, and then he’ll get really mean, and deliver the killing blow by calling the Repubs a bunch of mean poo poos!

          • Old Henry


            Were you a career Vet?

            And: If ignorance is bliss,why are there so many unhappy people?

          • Old Henry


            Did you hear Algore using all those explitive deleteds in regards to those who disagree with his global warming scam?

            Isn’t ole bob wire in the HVAC business? The last two are A/C which is bad, bad, bad for the world. We’re all gonna die!

          • Jana

            Old Henry,
            You are too funny and too good. :)

          • bob wire

            LOL! ~ I’m mean, I’m mean, you know what I mean ☻

            I tag you as enjoying playing nanny nanny poo poo games like children that insist getting the last blow end. Rather the expose you and dress you down and make you cry, poo poo nanny nanny works in mocking fashion.

            I am most kind, I pull my punches for civility sake until someone crosses the line of civility and then the gloves can come off.

            I enjoy being out numbered here ~ it make it an even contest. Few of you have yet to understand the true nature of words and how realities are constructed from them. You have been babbling since childhood and made it this far and the spoken word in just beginning to fail you. Rather then accept the confusion offered and back up and learn something , you plow on forward poorly equipped ~ hey ! you make it this far! That validation enough to continue down that same bumpy road. Right?

            If calling a decorated infantry combat vet/independent business man of 40 plus years a Commie makes any sense to you, I doubt if we share much in common and question your mental skills, finding them suspect.

            I do believe this world is not about me and my presence here is to serve a greater cause. This I have done in countless ways, both large and small.

          • Jana

            bob wire,
            You remind me of one of the Simons from the Bible. He was puffed up and full of himself too.

            He was proven a fraud.

          • Old Henry

            bob wire:

            I must have missed it, but I do not recall anyone calling you a communist. Are you off your meds today?

        • CJM

          bobwire: spoken like a true communist.

          • eddie47d

            They sure are touchy Bob Wire. Conservatives brought us slavery,sweatshops,corporate sleaze, homophobia,low wages and unequal pay for equal work,corporate profiteering during wars,a crumbling infrastructure and a wide assortment of issues that put them on the dark side. Before you all hoop and holler I am well aware that the Liberals have a dark side also(reckless spending,etc). Yes we are all like punks on the block in our anger. Always saying my side is “badder” than your side and exposing each other. LOL

          • JeffH

            eddie says “Yes we are all like punks on the block in our anger.”

            You speak for yourself eddie…I keep asking who this “we” you are always talking about…but I realize you got it upside down…what you mean is “me” who is the “speaker or the writer”…that is YOU!

          • Jay

            Jeff, the left-wing sure are touchy. Progressive liberals brought us socialism, welfare, unemployment, destroyed industry, homosexuality, pedophilia, pornography, abortion, low wages and unequal pay for equal work, corporate profiteering during wars, a crumbling infrastructure, deadly vaccines designed to depopulate the planet, and a wide assortment of issues that put them on the dark side. Before you all hoop and holler I am well aware that the Conservatives have a dark side also(resposible spending,etc). Yes we are all like punks on the block in our anger. Always saying my side is “badder” than your side and exposing each other. LOL

          • DaveH

            Eddie, you are your fellow Liberal hypocrites are enslaving people right now. How can you criticize what others have done in the past when you are doing it right now?
            Sweatshops? Are you against the poor bettering themselves, Eddie?
            Read this for some common sense on Sweatshops:

          • eddie47d

            So Dave is saying sweatshops aren’t bad and not counter productive to the workers. Yes,Dave thanks for the dirty unsafe working conditions which hooligans like you support.

          • JeffH

            eddie says “So Dave is saying sweatshops aren’t bad and not counter productive to the workers”

            FYI eddie…NO, Dave didn’t say that…true to form, YOU said it like the liberal wordsmith you’re not.

          • DaveH

            Eddie hates unemployed people. He doesn’t want them to have a job, even if they want that job.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            To the point he is a true Fabian(and not the male book cover model)

          • bob wire

            jay says”Progressive liberals brought us socialism, welfare, unemployment, destroyed industry, homosexuality, pedophilia, pornography, abortion, low wages and unequal pay for equal work, corporate profiteering during wars, a crumbling infrastructure, deadly vaccines designed to depopulate the planet, and a wide assortment of issues that put them on the dark side. ”

            oh man? where to start? I don’t think I will. Jay, you just hold tight to all your thought and ideas and reap the reward for them. That should be punishment enough.

      • Old Henry

        A radio show iam? Never heard of it. What network is it on? Is it nationally syndicated?

        I do watch her once in a while on PMS NBC when I am looking for a laugh and want to scream at the TV.

  • skippy

    Does interposition come after the country is intercoursed?? Just wondering. You all did hear that on the TV right??…hmmmm

  • William

    Four presidents were assassinated when they started to challenge the Federal Reserve. If Utah or anyone else messes with them, watch the heads roll. Money corrupts and controls absolutely.

    • former walmart person

      Well, where the #%@@#% are all the “good assasins”? Certainly, good assassins could counteract the federal assasins. Are all secret agents and trained hitmen all evil? Why is that you have special forces (Navy SEALS, Green Beret, etc.) who have all the courage in the world to fight abroad and risk horrible torture and death but no courage to protect lawmakers taking on the federal reserve? Is pay an issue? Certainly Navy Seals aren’t millionairs right?

      I guess Navy Seals are all corrupt indivduals with no balls to take on tyranny. Only to follow orders and support tyranny.

      • Dan az

        You will find them at the bottom of the crash site were dead men tell no lies.This all has been said before that we need to start at the state level to stop this absurdity,And it does work.Its the only way to get it done.

        • Dan az

          Since its inception, the U.S. Federal Reserve’s monetary policies have led to a decline of over 95% in the purchasing power of the U.S. dollar. As a result, there have been several attempts to curtail or eliminate the Federal Reserve’s powers (for example, the efforts of Rep. Louis T. McFadden in the 1930s; the efforts of Rep. Wright Patman in the 1970s; the efforts of Rep. Henry Gonzalez in the 1990s; and the efforts of Rep. Ron Paul since the 1990s); however, none have proven successful to date, due mainly to the constraints of strong political opposition at the national level.

          In contrast to these attempts at the national level, a paper I recently presented at the Mises Institute’s “Austrian Scholars Conference” proposes an alternative approach to ending the Federal Reserve’s monopoly on money: the “Constitutional Tender Act,” a bill template (first introduced by Georgia State Rep. Bobby Franklin) that can be introduced in every State legislature in the nation, returning each of them to adherence to the U.S. Constitution’s “legal tender” provisions of Article I, Section 10.

          Such a new tactic could achieve the desired goal of abolishing the Federal Reserve system by attacking it from the “bottom up” – “pulling the rug out from under it,” by working to make its functions irrelevant at the State and local level. Under this Act, the State would be required to only use gold and silver coins (or their equivalents, such as checks or electronic transfers) for payments of any debt owed by or to the State (e.g., taxes, fees, contract payments, etc.).

          All contracts, tax bills, etc. would be required to be denominated in legal tender gold and silver U.S. coins, including Gold Eagles, Silver Eagles, and pre-1965 90% silver coins. All State-chartered banks, as well as any other bank that is a depository for State funds, would be required to offer accounts denominated in those types of gold and silver coins, and to keep such accounts segregated from other types of accounts such as Federal Reserve Notes.

          Upon going into effect, the Constitutional Tender Act would introduce currency competition with Federal Reserve Notes, by outlawing their use in transactions with the State. Ordinary citizens of the State, being required to pay their State taxes in gold and silver coins, would find it necessary to open bank accounts in those denominations.

          • Dan az

            Over time, as residents of the State use both Federal Reserve Notes and silver and gold coins, the fact that the coins hold their value more than Federal Reserve Notes do will lead to a “reverse Gresham’s Law” effect, where good money (gold and silver coins) will drive out bad money (Federal Reserve Notes). As this happens, a cascade of events can begin to occur, including the flow of real wealth toward the State’s treasury, an influx of banking business from outside of the State (as citizens residing in other States carry out their desire to bank with sound money), and an eventual outcry against the use of Federal Reserve Notes for any transactions.

          • Dan az

            At that point, the Federal Reserve system will have become unwanted and irrelevant, and can be easily abolished by the people’s elected Representatives in Washington, D.C.

          • Elevenarrows

            I am all for changing the legal tender back to what it should be. However, what would the transition period look like? For example, I would love to buy gold and silver, but it would take a lot more money than I have in fiat money to purchase it. If the gold/silver standard is imposed on the state level, would millions of middle class Americans become paupers overnight?

            Please understand, I support the concept. I just wonder what it would look like and if I would have to live in a cardboard box until I could acquire enough funds to purchase the correct form of currency.

          • Dan az

            What was it before 1913 and when the gold and silver backed our money before nixon killed it?I’m like you the only precious metal I can afford is lead.I have know need for anything else.It gets me my food and protects what I have.I guess if I lived in a city then I would be more conserned because I would be forced to survive on a monetary basis.But I’m not and don’t plan on changing that any time soon.But if I was to choose precious metal over funny money that will not have any value other than using it to wipe my azz I pick metal.But hey that’s just my opinion!

          • DaveH

            Personally, Elevenarrows, I don’t think it would be that hard. I would start by eliminating the Federal Reserve. No new fiat dollars. The value of those existing dollars would then be pegged to the current price of gold (or maybe a little higher). So it would be basically like it is now, but no new fiat dollars would be created. After a couple of years when things were relatively stabilized, the Government could print new gold-backed dollars or mint gold and silver coins. The old dollars would still be in circulation and legal tender until they just wore out or disappeared.
            Here is what a much more learned economist proposes:

          • Al Sieber

            Dan, some good posts there. I’m hearing rumors that we might go back on the gold standard.

          • Al Sieber

            Dave, thanks for the link.

      • mark

        Oh so you are calling for assassinations to solve our political problems?! Wonderful. No wonder Wall Mart let you go!

        • Kate8

          mark – Our government has been using that solution on us all along.

          What? It’s okay for them, but off limits for us?

          Aren’t you the good little borg.

          • mark

            Minorities in the inner cities kill policeman all the time but you guys usually condemn this. But it is OK if you guys do it? All right, I get it.

          • Kate8

            mark – Obviously, you don’t.

          • Michael J.

            Resistance is futile… Assimilate now, for the good of the collective.


            Wow, sound like the far left or what! And they kinda look the staff at MSNBC, just not as many electronic implants. Jeese Louise…

        • Lost in Paradise

          Actually it is a great idea, and would go a long way to solving our problems. Fear is a great controller of humans.

          • mark

            Right the Nazis and the Bolsheviks agreed with you on this. You are in good company!

          • eddie47d

            They(Congress/Corporations) have their Blackwater(Xe) Corporation to either protect them or assassinate their foe’s. Although their service is rather pricey.

        • Dan az

          Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.When you cut off the head of a snake then the rest dies and cant hurt you.Common sense tells me that the NWO gang needs to watch them selves while in the open.But thats just me.I’m sure you think your imposter is doing such a great job at destroying this nation that he will just take care of you.Wrong!But hey if I were you I would stand back a little farther than you are now, so as not to get ring around the collar when he stops suddenly.

          • Kate8

            Jay – That’s why they want to take all firearms and eliminate anyone who could possibly be in opposition, including in our military.

            It’s all about protecting themselves, so they can do as they will with us and we can’t fight back.

          • Jana

            Obama isn’t out to help anyone but his communist pals. He sure isn’t out to help anybocy else. In fact the unemplyment rate is still above 9% but for the Black community it is 16-18%. So much for HIS help.

          • Old Henry

            Yes Dan az you are correct about the snake, but this snake has many, many heads…

          • Old Henry

            Yep Kate8, free men own guns. Slaves do not.

          • Old Henry

            Jana, I read that the black umemployment rate is 25%.

            In Detroit I’d gues it’s 100%.

        • Jay

          Clinton sure made full use of the tool of assassination. That’s how he got on the political map! Obama is doing the same thing, trouble is, like a bumbling idiot, he’s taking out the wrong people, like the seal-team!

          • Kate8

            Jay – Isn’t it amazing how Lefties just won’t ever believe anything bad about their icons? When you mention such things their eyes get glassy and they get this weird stare…

            It must be part of the programming.

          • Jay

            So true Kate! Doesn’t do much good, unfortunately, but it shuts them up, for a little while anyways..

          • Old Henry

            Also, Jay & Kate, remember when dick-for-brains and the Hillab*tch entered the WH they were broke. Essencially did not have two nickels to rub together.

            When he left office they were multi-millionares.

          • eddie47d

            No Kate 8 it’s the moronic things that come out of Jay’s mouth that baffle us and cause our eyes to develop this gloomy look of doom. Don’t worry we snap out of it fairly quickly. LOL

          • JeffH

            Jay, Kat8 and OH, did any of you hear the baaa and mehhh? I can only imagine that the next sound heard will be a tingle from the bell around his neck.

          • Kate8

            Yep. Like good communists, Bil and Hil made their money by sucking the blood of the American taxpayer.

            And looted the WH to boot.

            And they think they’re upper crust. They’re just trailer trash who got involved with the communist movement and got backing.

            First “black president”, indeed. (Doesn’t that just make you want to barf?) Of course, Obama’s now stolen his thunder on that one.

          • Jay

            Jeff, I say we slaughter the mindless sheep, and enjoy it for dinner! Aaarrrgh…

          • JeffH

            Jay, I think they’re doing a good job slaughtering themselves and I never have cared for “mutton” anyway.

        • former walmart person

          I am calling for defense to assainations. I am merely questioning why a public official attacking the federal reserve can’t be protected by a cunning agent / navy seal / former secret service, etc. Why is it these skilled assasins always support evil?

          • Jana

            former walmart person,
            I will type slow so you can read this slowly. Because they are not assassins. They are military personell fighting to defend out country.

          • Old Henry


            Do you think there is any, ah, correlation between the Navy SEALS takinhg out Osama 3 months ago and then the Taliban taking out those Navy SEALS in the slow moving, low flying Chinook (?) helicopter last week? I have seen that theory banteed around and admittedly shortly after I heard about it the thought began “brewing” in the back of my little fuzzy brain.

            Tit for tat by Litle Barry to even things up? After all, sacrifices must be made….

          • eddie47d

            Some of you believe whatever you want no matter what facts to the contrary are presented.

          • JeffH

            eddie…and you don’t? Facts are something you’re immune to.

          • Dan az

            Now you did it.Who’s going to clean off my screen! :)

      • bob wire

        “Certainly Navy Seals aren’t millionaires right?”

        right! they are military men that follows orders to the button with fine precision of execution, knowing full well they are expendable to the mission.

        • Michael J.

          Expendable indeed. All through history assasins and their brethren have been in turn assasinated. After all, dead men tell no lies, or truths.

          • Dan az

            I see that we agree that there might have been some hidden agenda with smoke and mirrors again.I feel for the families of those guys.My next movie from netflix is about tillman spll? I followed it for awhile and now want to see how they got away with it.Nothing I can do about all the crap that is covered up except be informed and spread the word and be prepared.

          • Kate8

            Michael J. and Dan az – Including Judge Roll.

            These were not freak incidents. These were ordered hits.

            Remember, one of the last steps is taking out anyone who may be a threat, beginning with governance, military and law enforcement.

            Next comes you and me.

          • Old Henry


            “These were not freak incidents. These were ordered hits.”

            I have been scrolling around and seem to have missed something in the discussion. I do not understand what you are referring to.

          • Dan az

            Old Henry
            The hits that we are talking about are the ones of the navy seals and the judge roll in tucson not much int the way of proof just in the fact that the seal team was the witness to ben ladin and the judge was not playing well with obumer.

        • Jay

          bob wire:“Certainly Navy Seals aren’t millionaires right?” Well, I’m assuming they’re not.

          right! they are military men that follows orders to the button with fine precision of execution, knowing full well they are expendable to the mission. Trouble is, they follow the orders of an idiot, obama!

    • Alex

      Andrew Jackson challenged the previous incarnation of the Fed and won. He didn’t get assassinated. He broke the bank.

      What we need is another Andrew Jackson.

      • bob wire

        Yes we do, but he’s hard on Indians. So every he wasn’t perfect.

        • Michael J.

          We certainly could use another Andrew Jackson to lead and army of Joseph McCarthy’s. But long before Jackson, Indians had a hard-on.

  • Rosco1776

    Let’s put Ron Paul in there and he’ll get started on day one!

    Ron Paul 2012!!

    • mark

      Unfortunately, he has about as much chance of being elected President as you do, Rosco.

      • Alex

        That’s only true if people don’t vote for him because he doesn’t have a chance. Don’t let it be self fulfilling. The fact is, he’s the best man for the job. Instead of voting in some half-wit turd with better chances of winning, we should all be putting our efforts into putting his name in the ears and minds of everyone we meet.

        I do.

      • steve in AZ

        Alot of people say that Dr. Paul has no chance of being elected. Don’t know if I’ve ever heard any of these ignorant turds explaining why. Care to try it Mark? The only wasted vote is the one cast by a man who votes for something other than his principles.

        DONATE NOW AND VOTE RON PAUL 2012 you gutless bastards!!!

        • mark

          Just look at the polls which are increasingly accurate and scientific. A true libertarian like Ron Paul never gets more than 15-20% This is the rough number of true libertarians in the United States. Most Americans accept the current system though they certainly want significant reforms. There is no doubt of that. What liberatarians basically call for is scrapping the entire current system. You can’t get more than 15-20% to agree to this. And in a system where most political leaders are democratically elected, this is just not enough.

          • Kate8

            It’s constantly drummed into us that a vote of conscience is a wasted vote, and too many people listen to that and continue to do a “hold-your-nose” vote.

            If we’re ever going to take back control of our country, we’ve got to stop listening to media. This is the prime method of controlling our minds and our behavior.

            That being said, I’m sure fail-safe systems are implemented to insure the desired outcome of elections by the PTB. We’ve all seen this in action around the country.

          • Alleninreality

            Just by viewing your statement, You have already made your mind up
            by being conditioned by the media. They are all being paid by big
            establishment. Why go with the NEOCON croanies like Romney and others
            who could not beat McCain on the last go-around? They are all sellouts and the only honest hard working accomplisher would be Ron Paul. He is uncorrupted and stands qualified to save this nation. We need him now, We need Ron Paul now. The rest are in lockstep with the establishment to destroy us and what is left of our constitution.
            Try not to be so mindless, study what he stands for, you will quickly see that the elites running in this contest and conquest for the top office are Rinos and NEOCONS and they will continue to take us on this downward spiral and totaly ruin America.

          • eddie47d

            Mark didn’t say that no one shouldn’t listen to Ron Paul. Unfortunately most Americans aren’t ready to make that leap and Paul probably wouldn’t win. What Mark is saying is more of a fact than a put down.

          • JeffH

            eddie says “Mark didn’t say that no one shouldn’t listen to Ron Paul.”

            DUH? Such a brilliant comment but It’s kinda obvious that even a cave man could have figured that out.

          • kkflash

            In case you’ve forgotten, the current system is a republic based on a constitution. Libertarians don’t want to scrap the current system, just to force government to actually follow the system that was laid out in that constitution. What needs to be scrapped is about 40% of all federal government programs to return it to spending within it’s income. The current system is about liberty to do as you please, as long as you harm no one else. What Libertarians want is to strip away all the ways in which over-reaching government has perverted and ignored the current system. There’s nothing wrong with the current system that a thorough political house-cleaning couldn’t fix.

          • DaveH

            You flatter us. I would be ecstatic to see us get 15-20% of the vote. Maybe some day. Now, if you are including people that are Libertarian and don’t know it yet, you might be right. A very large portion of the population has no clue what we stand for.
            This article is a little out of date, but I doubt the numbers have increased that much since it was written:

          • DaveH

            I do think, though, that we would get the majority of the votes if everybody truly understood our platform and why it would work.

          • eddie47d

            Dang it Jeff I thought I had popped that pimple on my azz but you are still there. You get more asinine everyday and are like the little kid that throws spitballs out of boredom. Oh and yes I was referring to WE Mr Pimple; Liberals and conservatives now do you get it.

          • JeffH

            eddie, I would hope you don’t display this kind of anger and foul mouth around your grandchildren…just sayin’…do you need a little neosporin to protect yer infected craters?

          • DaveH

            Well, he IS a Union Thug, Jeff. What else can we expect from Eddie?

          • JeffH

            DaveH , yup and maybe mark should pay a little more attention to eddie’s type of thug mentality…

          • Kate8

            Now, eddie…that was truly juvenile, even for you.

            Not to mention gross and disgusting.

          • Alex

            Looking at those polls you mentioned, it’s worth saying that Ron Paul came in second in the Iowa straw poll, only one point behind Bachman, which is one of the most significant polls at the beginning of the presidential race. The guy who came in third actually dropped out when he didn’t place in the top two, stating that historically, if you don’t make a good showing in the Iowa straw poll, you generally don’t have much of a chance of winning.

            And it’s also worth saying that now that we have had a black president, there are many who will seek to cross the other barrier and get a woman elected. I watched the debate. She did okay. But she wasn’t all that. I suspect that we have a break the glass ceiling situation about to emerge.

            I just hope we don’t worry about breaking the glass ceiling until someone first gets our country’s affairs in order. I can handle a woman president for a term as long as she steps into a healthy country.

            In the meantime, it’s imperative that we get someone with experience, a good working knowledge of Austrian economics, and who has been around long enough to know how to fight the fights and win them.

            Ron Paul for President!

          • Jana

            Well, how sexist of you Alex!

          • Alex

            Hey Jana. Yes, when it comes to politics, I am at least biased. When I think about a woman president, I think immediately of three things. 1) Sarah Palin, who spoke boldly about breaking the glass ceiling, using the very phrase itself. 2) My mother who gets her political savvy from the news and Bill Maher. 3) My wife, who gets good information from me and still insists on maintaining points of view that stem from her feelings rather than her brain.

            I don’t think women make good politicians. I never have, and I doubt I ever will, until the day comes that a woman in office shows me differently. Men and women just don’t think the same way, and it is my personal opinion that a logical mind is needed for the job of president.

          • Jana

            Actually, there have been some really good women in politics. One was Margaret Thatcher who was Prime Miinister of England. Another was Golda Mier of Israel and then there was even Deborah who was one of the Judges over Israel, whom God appointed to that position.
            Not all women go by their emotions, just like all politicians don’t cheat on their wives.

        • CJM

          steve in AZ: Some folks don’t have the funds to donate, but they certainly do want our country to be what it was meant to be. I resent your reference to those who cannot afford to donate as being ‘gutless bastards.’ You owe many an apology.

          • Elevenarrows

            I didn’t get that at all, CJM. I think Steve meant for the “gutless” ones to vote…of course, many say they can’t donate, but still buy their cigs or lattes or magazines or rounds of golf or that extra piece of pie. With a large family and a struggling business, we don’t have much, but we send $5, $10 and sometimes $20 when we can. If you really can’t donate, you can still spread the word, make the phone calls to Congress about issues, wear a button, go to meetings, stick a sign in your yard, put a bumper sticker on your car, refute the propaganda where you find it and get to the polls and vote for RIGHT.

        • Elevenarrows

          Amen, Steve! I find it infuriating that everyone screams for a hero, but refuses to vote for one that has faithfully stayed in the fight, has sounded the warnings for decades, has staunchly supported the Constitution and has been consistently for freedom despite being ridiculed and made to look ridiculous by the media and his colleagues in Congress. If everyone would simply determine to vote for the one candidate the media tries to make us not vote for, we’d all be better off….and Dr. Paul would be elected. Has anyone stopped to wonder why the media and Washington are so opposed to Dr. Paul? Could it be because he would change the way things work in Washington? Are they really that afraid of the Constitution? When did it become irrelevant and outdated? Oh, that’s right, when the socialists wanted to take over!

          • DaveH

            Elevenarrows says “Has anyone stopped to wonder why the media and Washington are so opposed to Dr. Paul? Could it be because he would change the way things work in Washington?”

            Pardon my language, Eleven, but HELL YES!

            That is exactly why they work so hard to suppress Ron. The Politically Connected are riding on a Gravy Train at the rest of our expense. Free Markets are anathema to Crony Capitalists. Competition? They don’t want no damn competition! That takes work. It’s much easier to pay the right Politicians to pass special protective regulations that benefit them at the expense of their smaller competitors (who can’t afford the costly regulations), and the consumers, and the taxpayers. The regulations also benefit the politicians by deluding the citizens into thinking they are protected, and by adding new bureaucrats to the Government roles (read new votes).
            Ron Paul would derail that Gravy Train and they know it.

      • Elevenarrows

        Uh, Mark, in response to one of your earlier statements, calling Beck names makes you look…worried, weak, scared?

        You may not like Glenn Beck because he is ultra-conservative, tells it like it is, constantly points us back to the founding fathers/documents, defends the Constitution, names names of those seeking to destroy our nation, etc.

        I don’t know why you seem to think he was forced off the air. Are you even aware of what he is doing??? He has moved to his own network! A huge step up, I’d say. You should check out GBTV…you might learn what America is supposed to be about!

        • mark

          His crazy conspiracy theories involving George Soros and others became too much even for FOX News. Especially for instance when Beck tried to tie the Muslim Brotherhood’s activities in Egypt with Democratic union protesters in Madison, Wisconsin peacefully demonstrating in favor of regaining their collective bargaining rights. Beck claimed they were all part of the same conspiracy, an obviously looney idea. Protestant and Catholic Mom and Pop school teachers in Wisconsin, (they all brought bunt cakes and Packer gear to their protests) in league with Muslim terrorists?! I realize that people will believe ANYTHING but this proved too much for legitimate conservatives and libertarians. Except of course for Beck’s fanatical true believers. They truly will believe ANYTHING that Beck tells them. And I do mean ANYTHING.

          • CJM

            Unfortunately, mark, Glenn Beck speaks the truth..especially about soros. Sorry the truth bothers you; it should, but be careful of who you support. If the wannabe dictator gets his way, you aren’t going to be able to say the things you are discussing today. If you are concerned about naked people on billboards, and all the rest of human ills, perhaps a deserted island would be a more proper home for you and yours. Otherwise, educate your children that there are some in this world who have no respect for humanity and these are the things they do to create disharmony. If you teach your child how to respect others and to respect himself, then you have met your duties as a respnsible adult.

          • TIME

            Other than your aggressive ignorance of what you display with such pride and vibrato within the text of everyone of your post daily.

            Let me key you into something that your nano amount of gray matter fail to grasp.

            Glenn Beck only shows you the very people who spoke such absurd things as you post, in their own words. He adds nothing as well he took nothing away from their words.

            Thus clearly displaing what’s been filling your skull, rather than gray matter with folds. Your skull is filled with brown liquid material not unlike what my dog’s leave under the tree’s in the back yard when they don’t feel well.

            But hey, thanks for clearly displaying what a total brain trust your ~ NOT. Hey with out the help of people like you many would not be waking up, so let me Thank You for your Zombie like post. H.A.N.D. ;-)

          • Elevenarrows

            Mark, thank you for your response. I know there are those who will fanatically follow anyone and I know that no one is perfect. However, I was defending Beck based on your attack of him. I think he scares people because he does constantly take people back to the Constitution. He forces us to take another look at our history–not what is taught in gov’t schools–but our real history. I think that scares those who don’t want to acknowledge what America is really about. She is a nation that is unique in the scope of human history. Many of us do believe her founding had Divine blessing. Many of us who realize this also realize that a holy God has never allowed a nation this depraved and wayward to continue and prosper. I really wish instead of bashing Beck’s views that you may not agree with, you would at least consider some of the substance of what he says. I highly recommend David Barton’s American Heritage series to you. Barton has befriended and mentored Beck. Barton will take you back to founding documents so you can see with your own eyes what America was meant to be. I think you might be angered at the amount of propaganda you’ve embraced over the years. As for Beck, I do not agree with much of what he says–especially concerning religion. I believe that the Mormon church is a cult in opposition to Scripture. However, I also believe that most Mormons are very decent people who really embrace what their church teaches. I’ve heard Beck’s testimony and I believe he very well could be a born again believer, but very misguided in some of his theology. I respect him for at least caring about truth and seeking it out. Most people can’t be bothered to do so.

          • eddie47d

            CMJ;”naked pictures on billboards” What in the world was that? Did that come from Mark,Beck or you? Beck is as flighty as Time has become and they both come across as punch drunk.

          • S.C. Murf

            mark, peaceful union labor moms & pops? You’ve got to be kidding!!! Are you blind, deaf AND dumb? You started last week calling the tea party terrorists and now you make a statement as stupid as the one you just made. You truly are part of the problem so it looks like you also will get nullified. About time

            up the hill

          • JeffH

            Sorry eddie, that little part of CMJ’s comment was just way above your comprehension level, but you do make it obvious where your focus is.

          • Connie

            Mark, I’m not much of a TV viewer and rarely listen to a radio but when it comes to Beck’s so called Conspiracy Theories, there’s nothing conspiratorial about any of them. Soros is a major player for the NWO, via The Bilderberg Group, puppet-master of Dumbo in OUR White House, big time investor against our economic status, and large contributor/originator of anti-America, over the top liberal organizations. Soros wants to be King of World and will do anything it takes to get there. At 80 years of age he’s yet to slow down with any of his atrocious behavior, including that on a personal level.

            Equally bad is the UN and Elizabeth, Queen of England. If you research Bilderberg, as I’ve done for the last three+ years, you’ll find all the ultra wealthy, political (so called) leaders are part and parcel of this organization and their sub-groups. It’s a fact that no matter who won the last Pres. primary, or election, we’d still have one of them in OUR White House, as we have for more years than any of us have been alive. It’s just that the narcissistic residing there now can’t keep his behavior in line or mouth shut. As such he’s quickly becoming a dispensable item in their war chest. All such have a way of dying or disappearing in some manner. Look at all who died when the usurper was being escorted into the Oval Office prior to the 2008 election. Among them were his two closest gay friends. Gee, why was this????

          • DaveH

            How do you expect to have any credibility at all when you say such things as “union protesters in Madison, Wisconsin peacefully demonstrating in favor of regaining their collective bargaining rights”?

            Talk about people who believe anything. Someday, maybe, you will wake up to the fact that fanatically supporting your fellow Liberals no matter which way their principles turn, just makes you look bad.

          • DaveH

            The truth. There is no such thing as “peaceful unions”. They ply their trade with coercion and violence. How else?

            These people are riding on the backs of Wisconsin taxpayers most of whom make less money than the Union workers make. It’s about time some politicians get tough with the taxpayers’ money and start reining in the Unionists (even if it is a very small step in that direction).
            I would like to see the Wisconsin Government start privatizing their services. Teach those Unionists a real lesson in life.

          • eddie47d

            Connie is trying to write a script for Murder She Wrote. Death,destruction,mystery,intrigue and maybe a little cheating. Nice Republican propaganda that we have all heard before.Are you Mrs Tom Clancy?

          • eddie47d

            The American people need to round up the Corporates and teach them a lesson. Maybe a little jail time for the wrong doers will teach them to stop disgracing America and using sinister means to make a profit. Dave loves beating up on the American worker but continues to defend the dirty deeds that corporations have done. Your right Dave the American people should step back and make those corporate crooks accountable.

          • JeffH

            eddie, yer about a funny as mark…bet yer the only one laughing.

            By the way, are you Mr. Dumbo? I ask because most of what you say in your comments are, well uhhh…you get the drift… :)

          • DaveH

            Eddie, you’re just a flat out slanderous liar. I didn’t say either of those things you attribute to me.
            The Unionists aren’t representative of the American Worker. In fact they are taking advantage of the average American Worker by coercing their employers into paying them outlandish wages, which lead to higher priced products or higher taxes (in the case of public union employees), which means the average American worker is able to buy fewer goods with his/her money.
            Therefore it is you, Eddie, who holds the average American Worker in contempt.

          • eddie47d

            At least I’m not Mr Pimple that hurts all the time and is a constant irritant.You need to have that puss squeezed out for it is becoming of volcanic proportions and spreading a plague.

          • DaveH

            What could you possibly hope to gain by commenting on this board, Eddie?
            The regulars know that you have no credibility, so you certainly aren’t influencing them.
            I think even the other Liberals keep their distance from you to avoid having you taint their image. At any rate, you certainly aren’t advancing the Liberal cause with your ignorant comments.
            Are you just seeking attention, Eddie? And even negative attention is acceptable in your demented mind?

        • mark

          SC Murf, I never called the Tea Party terrorists in this or any other website.

      • Jay

        Agreed Jeff, it was rather obvious. Thanks just the same there eddie, for stating the obvious.

  • former walmart person

    I plan to fight by proclaiming I am a bisexual who is exploring the straight side of my sexuality until further notice. That way, I become a member of a protected class of people. Proclaim that you are a in the closet bisexual who just came out of the closet but then say you are a “loser” who can’t get people of the same sex. Hey, afterall, I might have liked all kinds of women in high school, but I didn’t get any.

    • CJM

      walmart person: you weren’t supposed to.

  • American Citizen

    I have never watched Maher or Maddow, only read about them. Trying to listen to liberals makes me physically ill. Their illogical statements are laughable, but unfortunately people vote for them. As they say, “money talks”. I’m all for nullification.

    • Alex


      Every time I accidentally find myself hearing Maher on the TV, I get so mad I just want to throw something.

      • Kate8

        Alex – I have an answer for that.

        TURN OFF THE DUMB TV. :)

        I know people who don’t have TVs. They are relaxed, centered, think clearly and are easy to be around.

        I hardly turn it on at all anymore. I quit watching all news and commentary, and most everything else, as well. I still like “Monk” reruns.

        • JeffH

          Kate8, I hear ya! I try occasionally but like Obama, I look for change, a channel change or hit the OFF button.

          • Kate8

            JeffH – This morning I happened to catch about 5 minutes of Rush. I about fell through the floor at what I heard. What timing.

            A caller phoned in to report that Chris Matthews has done a piece on American exceptionalism, demonstrated by the “fact” that in America, anyone can become president, including someone who is from another country, like Barack Obama! He actually held him up as an example! And he swore this was true!

            I’ve got to find that clip! Did anyone else catch it?

            Holy cow! With all the folks coming forward confessing to creating a fake BC for him, and experts proclaiming that they’re all fraudulent, along with the tenacious refusal of Hawaii to comply with all court orders for the docs…

            Could it be that their next tack is to do away with the citizenship requirement entirely, or somehow convince us that it doesn’t exist? I read about Diane Feinstein making some kind of statement that he is somehow eligible, in spite of the evidence otherwise…

            This is getting really strange. Do we need any more demonstration that our Constitution is no longer in effect?

          • JeffH

            Kate8, WOW! Why is it not surprising to hear though. All I can say is Orly Taitz…I’ll have to look for that clip.

            Hey, here another scoop…FBI Wants Surplus Stores To Spy on Customers. FBI Handout Lists Purchase of Preparedness Items as “Potential Indicators of Terrorist Activities”

          • Jay

            Anything is possible Kate. Your suspicions with respect of doing away with the citizenship requirement entirely, is on the mark. In fact, it makes perfect sense. But first, media brainwashing, and indoctrination!

          • Jana

            They just can’t help but slip up and tell the truth. Wow Wow Wow.

          • Jay

            That’s because the poor simpletons suffer from “foot in mouth” disease!

  • nanc

    This is the first reasonable way to get rid of obamacare and a lot of other garabge that the federal government has forced on to the people of the United States of America. I say go for it. In fact plese come to Orlando, Miami, and Tampa. Please talk to the poor people and the uninformed know it alls about nullification maybe we can all get rid of the federal government, the Federal Rreserve, and the FDA

  • Carmen mckeon

    I’m all for nullification to bring back our Great Country again.


    I suggested cutting all the foreign aid over a year ago and the only response I got was “Why do you want to hurt people who can’t help themselves?”. That is the whole idea, most of these folks who get foreign aid won’t help themselves unless they are cut loose. Just like the 3rd and 4th generation welfare recipiants, they EXPECT to be taken care of and won’t try to help themselves.

    • Barb

      I agree with you 100%! But I think we should take it farther! Complete isolationism! Bring back all our military, close all borders, stop all exports and imports worldwide. I guarantee you that most of the countries would beg us to stop that in just mere months if that long. We on the other hand can finally take care of our own, strengthen our country and fix a lot of our problems, just by focusing on OUR country for once. The world would be like a child abandoned by it’s parents and would be helpless! Of course it could begin total carnage all around the world too,but I’m anti- New World Order so that would be the rest of the world’s problem. Our Problem is taking care of us and bringing the USA back to what it is meant to be, The land of the free and the brave! With all our Military home we would be a whole lot safer than we are now too.

      • Elevenarrows

        I don’t know if I would take it as far as you suggest, Barb, but I think you have a great idea there. When I have several kids with colds or the flu, our family holes up at home…to protect ourselves from further illness exposure and to give ourselves time to heal. Of course, it is also to not spread the germs to others. In other words, everything stops until our family is well. This is such a simple concept. Why can’t our “leaders” understand this? America is sick. She has the worst, most terminal illness one can imagine. She needs to stay home and get better by focusing on her needs first. If she doesn’t get better, she is of no use to anyone else anyway. So, it is in everyone’s best interest (at home and abroad) for America to get better. Even my youngest child can understand this.

      • Tom

        People think isolationism is nuts, but I agree with you. What has an expanded global economy really done for us? All the advantages have been more than negated by the loss of jobs, endless wars, etc. It is time to take care of our own first. The rest of the world needs to learn to take care of itself. We will certainly find out fast who our friends really are won’t we? George Washington warned us about entangling alliances. In our kindness and generosity on the one had (and some would argue our insatiable greed for money on the other) we have never really accepted that wisdom. We need to start.

        • Kate8

          Barb – It’s a great concept, but what everyone fails to understand is that the NWO has a plan for America. And this is not just a political endeavor, it’s a religious mandate on their parts. These people are Luciferian zealots, and are even more determined than are the Islamic jihadists. In fact, they serve the same master.

          They have their prophetic timeline, too, and 2012, they believe, is their hour of victory. They’ve been working steadily and increasingly toward this time. It’s all been set up right under our noses, while we were busy accumulating stuff and thinking we were important.

          America was, believe it or not, set up for this from her inception. The only restraint has been Christianity, but now even that has been compromised. All of the architecture and symbolism in DC is ROMAN (as in Zeus/Apollo/Osiris/Nimrod. And guess who the Islamic Mahdi is the return of. Osiris/Nimrod).

          This has all been kept hidden from all but those who cared to look. But what you can be sure of is that there is no fervor like religious fervor, and if we are going to confront them we’d better have some of our own.

          • S.C. Murf

            Kate8, in the Basilica where the pope resides is a statue to the sun god nimrod, he prays in that direction every morning, its called an oblisque (spelling ???) Our cemeteries are full of them as is DC. We have one here in Sioux City called the Floyd monument. Jesus started the USA and filled it with the house of David and with anything Jesus starts satan will have his hand in there also. A Christian nation infiltrated by pagan idols and worship, this is so the American military machine can be used by the NWO to do satans work. We have to stay steadfast and try to change this govt. around. They know that their time is short and they need to turn people away from Jesus, that’s why all the blatant lies and deception. Keep the faith

            up the hill

          • Kate8

            S C Murf – You are so correct!

            The obelisk is a symbol of the missing phallus of Osiris. It stands before a waterway facing the Capitol Dome, which is a symbol of the womb of Isis.

            This all symbolizes the coming birth of the resurrected Osiris, who is to return to rule the New World Order. He is otherwise known as Antichrist.

            What’s been awaited is for science to progress to the point where they could extract DNA from relics of the dead, specifically the entombed Nimrod, and clone him back into existence.

            Apparently, this has been going on for longer than we know, and he is already here.

      • Lost in Paradise

        Barb as much as I would like to see that happen, it cannot, as the federal and state government is completly disfuntional and worthless.Our government is all our problems, and does need to be replaced with a revolution.

      • Mary

        I am beginning to agree with your views, Barb. Isolationism has been promoted before to no avail, but maybe its time has come.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        In truth we actually do not need the rest of the world. Every natural resource that exists in other parts of the world exists in the USA. This country has so many varied climate zones and soil varieties that we can grow every fruit and vegetable known to man.I would rather have other nations beg us to sell them commodities than have to wrangle with decietful foreign governments.

    • Alexis

      I could not agree with you more! I nominate you for the post of Secretary of State. Enough of this nonsense in DC. We’ve been told for years that the evil Soviets were our enemies. Not true, they had no interest in coming here. We should look in the mirror as our biggest enemies are ourselves in the liberal camp.

      • Alex

        The real irony is that our newest generations think socialism is good. Those of us who remember the 80s remember Russia and the Iron Curtain, and East and West Berlin and the watch towers. I still remember Rocky IV, with Pauly telling the Russian guy, “At least we don’t keep our people behind walls with machine guns.”

        Socialism and communism are the same thing. The only difference is that communism enforces the socialism with guns. Socialism quickly becomes communism as soon as those in power take the guns away from the people so they can’t fight back. That’s why we have a right to keep and bear arms … because they are “necessary to the preservation of a free state.”

    • Connie

      USAF Vet, from an old USAF Brat: I’ve been pushing the same for years, with most in agreement, many of whom are life long Dims (sic). It’s as I tell them regularly, they are only demoncrats when they vote but not in what they want accomplished, banned, or enforced (immigration laws).

      As I’ve aged I’ve become less and less concerned with the starving children in wherever we are now pushing and more concerned with our starving children and seniors here.

      I’m sick of trying to be the big brother and police force for everyone while we need our military protecting our borders from all invaders.

      I’m fed up with welfare for illegals and multi-generational families who know how to work the system, feeling a 2-4 year limit should be the maximum allowable and no additional funds for any child born during said period – limit of 2 kids funded; force them to learn to be responsible for themselves and their actions (inaction?) for a change.

      AMERICA FIRST, period. Let the rest of the world do what we’ve done and find a way to survive.

      Also want to see all manufactured items brought in from other countries taxed at no less than 100%. Higher percentage for those companies who moved offshore from stateside in order to either force them back here or out of business. Bring our jobs back to the Made in the USA status. Then, until we get our financial status back in line, put a cap on the level of profit any company can make on each item it builds or sells. This should be a short term process which teaches each of us to live within our means and not gouge anyone. End the rape and pillage all the way around, including wages, labor unions and unscrupulous employers.

      Sound right and fair?

      • Alex

        Connie said, “Sound right and fair?”

        Ummmm, nope. Sounds disastrous.

        First things first. The reason the businesses overseas are overseas to begin with is excessive taxation, oversight, and labor costs. When companies already exist overseas who produce the same things for a much lower cost, American companies can’t compete. To be able to do so, they are left no option but to go overseas themselves.
        If you impose a 100% tax on all items coming into the United States, the only thing it will accomplish is to double the retail price to the consumers here in the United States.

        Secondly, businesses don’t pay taxes. We pay them. To use the simplest example, we all pay sales tax. But please note that it is a sales tax, not a buy tax. The company is taxed for the sale. It’s the company that has to send the check to the department of revenue. It’s the company that gets in legal trouble if they don’t pay it. But it’s the customer who pays it to the business. All other business taxes are the same. Verizon puts all the taxes on my bill. Duke Power puts all the taxes on my bill. Piedmont gas puts all the taxes on my bill. None of them pay taxes. I pay them.

        Thirdly, if you put a profit cap on what a company can make, you will put them out of business and cause massive unemployment. You will also prevent expansion and eliminate future employment. You have to remember that many building materials are derived from a free global market. They aren’t subject to government price controls. Sooner or later the cost to manufacture a product becomes higher than the salable price when price fixing is involved.

        I agree with you on the rest, though. Reform the welfare systems. Bring our troops home and stop spending all that unnecessary money.

  • Barb

    Wow what a great way to start the revolution!!!! The Fed and money mongers may get rough BUT there are a lot of us and I mean a lot, who are ready to get rough too. I had forgotten about Nullification, been a while since my high school days, my question is why did it take so long to come up???? I say Yea to nullification and then some and if the shooting starts from the government’s side, so be it. We will end it and save our country at long last!!! To Former Walmart Person, The sharpshooters and assasins are out there and most are on our side. They are just waiting for the right moment to act. It hopefully will be soon! We won’t shoot first but we will shoot last.

  • Steve B

    (“as limited to the plain sense and intention of the instrument constituting the compact”)…..
    There it is, plain and simple.
    After a war with England and breaking away from that abusive bullying government…noone of that day had to be told the purpose of the new constitution. From first to last it was designed to “limit” the powers of government,keep the powers of the people in “their” hands
    and reserve their right to bear arms against that kind government should the need arise. It was written “by” common sense people “for”
    common sense people in that day. It was no secret to anyone that government can grow like poison ivy….and once it takes root,it grows across every field,along every fence rail and up every tree.
    The socialists stand on their heads, reading the constitution upside down,trying make us believe that the federal government is the supreme power and it’s “smarter” than we are. It’s plain and simple…they lack common sense. Claiming to be intellectually educated…they are blind to common sense…and thereby motivated in the wrong direction. Quoting a good verse from the bible….”Professing themselves to be wise…they became fools”.
    The only way we’ll ever get our country back on course is to get back to the “common sense” way of thinking instead of all this
    “politically correct” foolishness. Putting powers back in the hands of the states is a good start. Keep the ball rolling.

  • armyblue

    Your right on AF. But the Feds will dance around the growing troubles globally by printing more of the dollars that are wet with ink. All this as Barney Frank insists that we cut military spending. That’s O’stalins base, 45 million of food stamps. Riots in England are showing that class warfare will be coming to a country near you.

    • Alexis

      We have to focus on allowing our military to safeguard our genuine national needs purely for defense of ourselves. I can’t see why we allow the politicians to squander the precious human lives of our valiant soldiers, sailors and airmen to a bunch of heathens. We have no business fighting wars with no clear objective or have no genuine support at home from those who actually pay for these misadventures.
      We spend more each year for military than the rest of the world combined. This is sheer madness. For what? We’re using valuable military hardware and resources that would best be kept in reserve for us! We need to cut back massively all government spending as the gravy train has clearly left the station and is headed for derailment. Thanks stupid politicians. We now see where your loyalty lies.

      • eddie47d

        Well said Alexis. The Soviet Empire collapsed because they also attempted imperialism and spread themselves too thin. They simply ran out of money and had to bring their troops home.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          The Soviet Union fell apart? Since when, all they did was a reshuffle. The cake that is cut into wedges is still the same cake,so it is with the Soviets. The leaders are the same,just now they can wear more expensive suits.

          • Jay

            Bingo, and right on the money Nadzieja! Not only are they still intact, what seems to be in a fragmented form, but their strategy has changed. Only a fool would be believe that the Soviet Union is no more!

      • JeffH

        Alexis…Hear Hear! :)

      • 45caliber


        Most soldiers are conservatives. (In fact, according to what my wife was told by an army base general, one in eight soldiers are from Texas.) To the liberals, the more soldiers they can kill off in other countries, the better. Further, if they are in other countries, they don’t have to worry about what actions they might take if revolt against the libs breaks out here. All they have to do is ground all planes.

        • Connie

          Alexis is right on the money. With two career military officer nephews telling me so, the vast majority of those serving are 100% against Obama and all he stands for. And, as such, would not support any action against the (legal) citizens of our country in any way, shape or manner. They are more than fully aware they are not to follow illegal commands, which would be to fire on any of us who stand up to fight back against those who would destroy all things American.

          • Jana

            I think Obama knows this, and that is why he is trying to get his private army up and running. I have only heard bits and peices about that, but know its in progress.

        • eddie47d

          You’re a nutcase Caliber for says Liberals want soldiers dead. That is just plain sick.

          • Kate8

            eddie – It just seems impossible for you to disagree with someone without calling them a derogatory name.

            I suppose in your brainwashed mind, anyone who doesn’t believe as you do is a “nutcase”, or a “pimple”. But then, in the liberal world one isn’t allowed to have their own thoughts.

            How’s life among the borgs these days?

          • Jay

            This is true eddie. More soldiers have died in the middle east on obama’s watch, and that, in less then two years, then all the marines that died during the Bush administration! Your liberal demon-god, Adolf, revels in the spilled blood of American soldiers!

  • mrbill

    Sounds like an advertisement to draft Perry to run. He is strong on States Rights.

    • Alleninreality

      And I lived in Texas for the last 10 years and the main thing Perry wanted to do was push in the I-35 trans-Texas corridor, amesty all the illegals, and massive immenant domain. Perry = RINO/NEOCON.

    • 45caliber

      I’ve lived in Texas now for over 25 years. The ONLY way I’d vote for Perry for President is if the election came down to him and Oblama. Even then I’d have to twist my arm to do it. The only reason Perry is governor is because he inherited it when Bush became President and the Demos have only run people against him that make Oblama look conservative. Despite his speeches, he doesn’t do much for the state. He simply coasts. And he is certainly a RINO.

  • professor

    I love Texas and Arizona comes a close second. These States are standing up against tyranny! If they go for “nullification” I am right there with them. Being from Texas, we have a spirit of individualism and a love of country. A Tyrannical government is raising its ugly head and it needs to be “chopped off.” Waiting to hear more…..

    armyblue, there never has been a president that has fanned the flames of racism, as the current resident in the White House. They are restless and awaiting the call to action, and could be considered an, “army in waiting!” They will go to the streets with the slightest provocation, to loot and burn. Taking life is not out of the question, either. If given guns, and told to fight, they would do so with an enviable rage, hard to quell. The government has quietly been building the numbers of misfits that refuse to support themselves. They are itching to take vengeance on those they have been told to hate… London riots will come to our streets. It is not a matter of “if,” but a matter of “when.”

    • mark

      What about Presidents Harding and Coolidge who gave carte-blanche to the KKK in the 1920s? Their membership grew to 6 million and they marched openly, brazenly in a parade of over a hundred thousand in white sheets and capes, carrying flaming torches down Pennsylvania Avenue. They brandished American Flags and called for the destruction of all blacks, browns, Jews, and Catholics to cleanse America and bring it back to the vision of the Founders. Calvin Coolidge sat in the White House, watched this massive march with apparent approval. Of course he and his conservatives allies sympathized with much of the Klan’s sentiments. No we have had many more racist presidents than Obama. For decades in the 19th century most of them didn’t dare invite a black man, a Mexican or even a Catholic citizen into the White House for social events. President Jackson unconstitutionally robbed hundreds of thousands of Indians of their land and marched them West under military guard during which some 25% of them died. President Polk robbed some 20,000 Mexican citizens who lived in New Mexico, Arizona, and California of much of their lands and rights – just because they were Mexicans. Presidents Grant and Hayes launched near genocidal wars against the the Plains Indians and stole huge sections of their land. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, a hero to most liberals, rounded up and imprisoned 120,000 innocent Japanese-American citizens in a clear violation of their constitutional rights, a wildly popular policy among Americans in 1941-45 which Michelle Malkin still celebrates today (read her book on the subject). And then of course you have what Presidents McKinley and Theodore Roosevelt did militarily in the Philippines and the Caribbean with their many openly racists statements on the inferiority of peoples of color who lived in those lands. Some 200,000 Filipinos died as the U.S. Army snuffed out their heroic struggle for independence 1898-1903. Obama is like a boy scout next to these guys, please!

      • Elevenarrows

        Mark, Mark, Mark…did you get your information from an American textbook?! The KKK originated and was very useful in preventing Republicans from taking office. I may be slightly off on the exact number, but there were around 1400 WHITE people lynched and otherwise removed from Earth by the KKK because of their support of Republican candidates. One Republican congressman was even shot right on his front porch.

        You should read up on the KKK and not from the propaganda sources found in what passes as schools these days.

        For anyone wanting my sources: contact Wallbuilders founded by well-known historian David Barton. Mr. Barton also owns one of the largest collections of original founding documents in America.

        By the way, a great way to understand the myth of separation of church and state would be to actually read the founding fathers letters on it!

        • mark

          David Barton is largely a fraud who writes pseudo-history. Authentic historians have debunked his ludicrous claims for years. He calls himself doctor but he doesn’t have PhD, an MA, or even a BA in history. He is an evangelical minister. He is also an amateur historian and it shows in his work which uses non-professional methodology of never citing contrary sources in other words documents in the archives that contradict his assertions. All legitimate historians cite contrary evidence to their thesis in order at least demonstrate its limitations and possible significance in strengthening their own arguments. They also do so to show that there are various legitimate interpretations of the same documents. Barton hasn’t a clue here as he just cherry picks material from the Bible and the archives that supports his claims not the mountain of evidence that undermines them. Please, this guy is basically a snake oil salesman. That is why Beck and Huckabee love him so much. He helps them make money off the uninformed and barely educated.

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          • Jay

            What credentials do you posses mark, that we should take you at your word? Put up, or shut up! Regardless, I told you before, a certificate, and a fancy title does NOT guaranty the absence of self-serving bias, and that, goes both ways. Yes, even for your, illustrious, educated crowd!!!

          • Elevenarrows

            Mark, you probably won’t see this since I’m posting it so late, but I HAD to refute you about David Barton. Your assertions are ridiculous. I’ve used his resources in teaching for quite awhile. You claim that he doesn’t cite contrary sources…he does. He tells you exactly what the textbooks say, shows you exactly what the opposing views are, explains why these sources are incorrect by using ACTUAL original sources of the founders. I think the problem isn’t that you disagree with Barton, I think you disagree with the founders. Barton uses their own words CONSTANTLY. If you don’t like what they say, admit it. The rest of us on this site have already figured out what your view of America is…at least own up to it. And, I’ve never heard Barton refer to himself as a doctor. AND, if he is such a nutcase as your liberal professors would have you believe, then why was he so successful in recently getting Texas textbook makers to include America’s true history? The true history of our nation has been grossly misrepresented or completely excluded from our nation’s textbooks and Barton was very instrumental in presenting his case to revamp the history books. You really should know your facts before trying to slander a man, Mark.

        • mark

          I was writing about the KKK of the 1920s when that organization reached its greatest popular height and strongly supported Republican and conservative causes – such as anti-immigration legislation, Prohibition, continued Jim Crow in the South. Didn’t you read my post? But to switch to your point, you are right in the 1860s and 1870s, the KKK was the enemy of the Republican Party in the South. Republican adminstrations such as Johnson and Grant regarded the Klan as Confederate dead-enders, consisting of Confederate veterans who wanted to restore white supremacy to the South through violence and terror which they largely succeeded in doing. This process was when Repubicans politicians in the North basically abandoned African American citizens in the South and allowed the Redeemer Democratic state governments to strip them of their civil and voting rights, an action applauded by conservatives in both the Democrat and Republican parties in the late 1800s. In its second great manifestation in the 1920s, the Klan still hated blacks but turned more of its attention against Catholic immigrants (Italians, Irish, Polish, etc) and Jews. Here again they stood for majority bedrock conservative values of the day that America was a white Protestant Nation in which all those who were different either racially or religiously had no legitimate place. The Christian Right today holds to many of these same ideas.

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          • Jay

            The KKK is a lef-wing organization. Created and developed by the left-wing communist party, for the purpose, to undermine, bring ill-repute, and to discredit anything that is conservative, Christian and capitalistic, while wearing the cloak, and colours of the right-wing conservatives! You suck at research mark!

          • coal miner

            Wrong Jay and 45caliber

            The KKK and the American Nazi party are on the extreme right.Ever heard of Dixiecrats?


          • coal miner

            mark and Jay:

            Ku Klux Klan, often abbreviated KKK and informally known as The Klan, is the name of three distinct past and present far-right organizations in the United States, …


          • eddie47d

            Jay; The KKK had nothing to do with the left wing so you are wrong. They had nothing to do with the communist party so you are wrong. They were quite conservative so you are wrong. They were Christian(thus the cross on their hoods) so you are wrong.Too bad you think that you can rewrite history. One lie might get you a pass but several really puts you in the trash bin for knowledge. You said the KKK were capitalistic I highly doubt that but since they were evil maybe you did get that right.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          David Barton makes great reading and learning.

      • Alleninreality

        That was then, this is now and we just don’t need any boyscouts in the white house right now.

        • eddie47d

          You stated some important facts on past Presidents and how they lost their way on the issue of fairness and equality. Thanks for that tidbit on Malkin since she is Filipino and absolutely holds a grudge against all Japanese people.Still supporting the imprisonment of innocent people hardly gives her much valor or credibility.

          • 45caliber


            Try finding out the REAL truth about the internment of Japanese during WWII.

            A high percentage of them were working for the Japanese government. The patriotic Japanese knew this and didn’t really object to being interned to keep them out of circulation. Internment was also a way to prevent the rest of the Americans from taking revenge for Pearl Harbor on innocent people. Most were allowed to continue to run their businesses or work.

            During WWI, which happened only about 20 years before, a number of people did a lot of sabotage in the US. The government didn’t want that to happen again with good reason.

          • JeffH

            eddie, sometimes you go beyond “solar” with your comments. Somehow you have discerned that because Malkin is Phillipino she hates all Japanese. Are you saying that all Phillipinos hate the Japanese or that only Malkin hates the Japanese. If I’m correct, Malkin, of Phiilipine heritage, is asian as are Japanese, so I would guess that would make Malkin a “self-hater”…but, because Malkin wrote a book and defended the “WW II Japanese-internment” in America that means she hates all Japanese by your line of thought.

            So even if one could somehow show that Malkin is motivated by hatred of people of Japanese descent, and I have no reason to believe that this is true, would that not make her a “self-hating Asian”? To be accurate, absent any evidence of hatred, it would have to be “World War II era Japanese-internment defending Filipina.” Jeesh!

          • Kate8

            JeffH – These guys sure like to continue beating the race drum, don’t they?

          • JeffH

            Kate8, never ending…

          • eddie47d

            You’re making another nutcase statement Caliber. “A high number of them were working for the Japanese government”. What a crock! No cases of sabotage happened by Japanese Americans during WWII.

          • eddie47d

            Jeff. Nice spin, I didn’t say a thing about ASIANS .Those are your words.I see you are still playing the Azz and proud of it. Jeeeeeesh! Many Filipinos hold a grudge against Japanese or don’t you know history?? Hating Japanese Americans and justifying their internment because of what their for fathers did is pure spite. Not certainly someone who stands up for American principles.This is 2011 and she needs to get over her hatred unless she can prove that a JAPANESE AMERICAN during WWII did her great harm.

          • JeffH

            eddie, because of your lack of comprehension that is all you can come up with…that you said nothing about asians? Did I say you said something about asians? Pure conjecture on your part and a complete inability to understand!

            Hmmm, I’ll try one more time…

            un·der·stand [uhn-der-stand] -verb, -stood, -stand·ing.

            verb (used with object)
            1. to perceive the meaning of; grasp the idea of; comprehend: to understand Spanish; I didn’t understand your question.

            2. to be thoroughly familiar with; apprehend clearly the character, nature, or subtleties of: to understand a trade.

            3. to assign a meaning to; interpret: He understood her suggestion as a complaint.

            4. to grasp the significance, implications, or importance of: He does not understand responsibility.

          • JeffH

            eddie, yet some more history on the internment of the Japanese in the US during WWII.

            It is well-documented that the evacuation was motivated, not by racism, but by information obtained by the U.S. from pre-war decoded Japanese diplomatic messages “MAGIC” and other intelligence revealed the existence of espionage and the potential for sabotage involving then-unidentified resident Japanese aliens and Japanese-Americans living within the West Coast Japanese community.

            The U.S. Congress immediately passed legislation providing enforcement provisions for FDR’s Executive Order, unanimously in both the House and Senate, provided under Article 1, Section 9 of the United States Constitution.

            Only persons of Japanese ancestry (alien and citizen) residing in the West Coast military zones were affected by the evacuation order. Those living elsewhere were not affected at all.

            It is not true that Japanese-Americans were “interned. Only Japanese nationals (enemy aliens) arrested and given individual hearings were interned. Such persons were held for deportation in Department of Justice camps. Those evacuated were not interned. They were first given an opportunity to voluntarily move to areas outside the military zones. Those unable or unwilling to do so were sent to Relocation Centers operated by the War Relocation Authority.

          • JeffH

            eddie, part 2 of your education…

            1.Office of Naval Intelligence memorandum for the Chief of Naval Operations, Feb 12, 1941,”Japanese Espionage Organization in the United States,” which suggests that the information therein be brought to the attention of the President and stating that the Japanese government had decided to strengthen its intelligence network by, among other moves to employ “Nisei Japanese and Japanese resident nationals” using extreme caution in doing so.

            2. The Tachibana case (March 1941) about which Peter Irons’ wrote in his “Justice at War”:

            “…There was no question that Tachibana headed an espionage ring on the West Coast that enlisted a number of Japanese Americans, both aliens and citizens (sic), nor that the government knew the identities of its members…”

            3. Military Intelligence Div. 336.8, Honolulu, 14 October 1941. “Japanese Ex-Service Men’s Organization” which reports on two Japanese ex-military member groups active in the U.S. with 7200 members, stating in part: “…these two organizations have pledged to do sabotage (railroads and harbors)in the states mentioned (California, Washington, Oregon, and Utah) in time of emergency. Similar organizations are in Hawaii. Sixty-nine local units of these two organizations are said to be carrying on activities.”

            4. U.S.Army MID Information Bulletin No.6 of Jan.21, 1942,titled “Japanese Espionage,” forwarded to Ass’t SecWar John J. McCloy by Brig. General Mark J. Clark,then Deputy Chief of Staff, U.S.Army, which, among its conclusions states: “Their espionage net containing Japanese aliens, first and second generation Japanese and other nationals is now thoroughly organized and working underground.”

          • JeffH

            …part 3 for eddie…

            At the time, the JACL (Japanese American Citizens League) officially supported the government’s evacuation order and urged all enemy alien Japanese and Japanese Americans to cooperate and assist the government in their own self interest.

            It is misleading and in error to state that those affected by the evacuation orders were all “Japanese-Americans.” Approximately two-thirds of the ADULTS among those evacuated were Japanese nationals–enemy aliens. The vast majority of evacuated Japanese-Americans (U.S. citizens) were children at the time. Their average age was only 15 years. In addition, over 90% of Japanese-Americans over age 17 were also citizens of Japan (dual citizens)under Japanese law. Thousands had been educated in Japan. Some having returned to the U.S. holding reserve rank in the Japanese armed forces.

            During the war, more than 33,000 evacuees voluntarily left the relocation centers to accept outside employment. An additional 4300 left to attend colleges.

            In a questionaire, over 26% of Japanese-Americans of military age at the time said they would refuse to swear an unqualified oath of allegiance to the United States.

            According to War Relocation Authority records, 13,000 applications renouncing their U.S. citizenship and requesting expatriation to Japan were filed by or on behalf of Japanese-Americans during World War II. Over 5,000 had been processed by the end of the war.

            After loyalty screening, eighteen thousand Japanese nationals and Japanese-Americans were segregated at a special center for disloyals at Tule Lake California where regular military “Banzai” drills in support of Emperor Hirohito were held.

          • Kate8

            Good stuff, JeffH. Thanks. Can’t wait to hear from eddie on this one.

            eddie? You still there?

          • Jana

            Its actually time for eddie to go home and go to bed. Tomorrow is another day and everything MIGHT be better then.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, I had a good friend named Fujita whose parents, very honorable I might add, spent part of the war in a “relocation” camp in N California. I had a chance to briefly touch on that subject with them and they understood fully why this happened. They felt it was a necessary evil because so many of the Japanese were still loyal to Hirohito and Japan. They ended up working for the American war effort in Richmond and were allowed to return to their home in Berkeley and their small fish market before wars end.

          • Jana

            That was really interesting. We hear so many lambasting the United States for doing this, it is good to hear “the other side”

      • 45caliber

        mark, I have to agree with Elevenarrows.

        The KKK was organized and run by the Democrats! The South was conservative but it was under DEMOCRAT control until at least the mid 60s. When the Democrats began their programs for the minorities, the people in the South changed to Republican since no one else offered them any support.

        • mark

          The white people of the South turned against the Democrats because their liberal-centrist wing forcefully supported civil rights and voting rights for African Americans in the South. Their conservative wing (Stennis, Wallace, Maddox, etc) did not. LBJ broke the back of Jim Crow segregation there. For this outrage, white Southerners have never forgiven the liberal Democrats. The sheer effrontery of these liberals to dare to recognize African Americans as full U.S. citizens with the same constitutional civil and voting rights as other Americans was just too much. As LBJ said at the time of his historic legislation’s passage: “We have lost the South for a generation.” But he was wrong. He underestimated white Southern racism, he lost the South for the Democrats probably for a century!

          • Elevenarrows

            Mark, again, you don’t have your facts right. If the Democrats are so thoughtful, supportive and kind to the black Americans, why do they relentlessly pursue killing them? Democrats push, push, push for Planned Parenthood to be funded. Planned Parenthood was started by Margaret Sanger. She believed in the elimination of inferior peoples–the blacks being one of them. Planned Parenthood locations are deliberately placed in largely black and minority communities. More black babies are aborted than any other race. What is shocking is that blacks continue to support a party that is intent on supporting their demise. Kinda like all of us are helping to pay for the enemy within, the Muslims. Blacks will one day realize they have aided in the demise of their race by supporting Planned Parenthood through the Democratic Party. All the rest of us will probably realize, too late, that we should’ve shut down all the mosques before all the throat-slashing began.

    • 45caliber


      When the riots come here I’m going to be interested to see what happens. Remember the riots in Detroit back about 1967? I NEVER see anything on them any more. The police couldn’t put them down; the state police couldn’t put them down; the National Guard couldn’t put them down; the 101st Airborne but them down in three days.

      The main reason? The first three groups were ordered to let the rioters do what they wanted as long as they didn’t kill anyone. I’m expecting the same orders in riots now – and I suspect that is part of the reason those in England continue.

      If any rioter does start shooting, you will see the citizens pull out their own guns to end things quickly. There is just something about seeing the rioter next to you have his head shot off that makes you want to go home and forget the whole thing.

      • S.C. Murf

        Screaming Eagles
        up the hill

  • DaveH

    Here’s your chance to let your Representatives know that you don’t want them messing in your food choices:

  • Helen Jenkins

    Marxism/Socialism, has been embedding within American culture since 1890. It really began to grow with the hijacking of the Civil Rights Movement in the 60’s. Nullification may be only answer. Socialism’s evil must be pulled out by its roots to be destroyed, once and for all.There are faint signs this is happening. Though, Marxists/Socialists/PC took victory lap with election of Barack Hussein Obama,Trojan Horse, it was actually Socialism’s death knell they mistakenly celebrated. Its doctrine-EVIL-was always masked by phony compassion that on surface seemed humanitarian. Obama, in his frenzied attempts to fulfill his mission-fundamental transformation (destruction from within) of America did and continues to do his best. Result? He ripped away mask. Today, not only is nullification being taken seriously in America, but also internationally (Dutch speaking out against Multiculturalism; France saying no to Burquas- accept Frances rules and regulations or go home- and just today, England’s Prime Minister, David Cameron, saying honestly and out loud, “rioting, looting, vandalism and wanton destruction of private property, have nothing to do with justifiable grievances… he does not want to hear any phony ‘human rights’ nonsense”. So, Obama, PC Trojan Horse failed his ‘task’ with a vengeance,but inspired States and the world to stand up to thuggery. His election, as America’s first black president gave not only America, but world courage to stand up and say,”ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Socialism’s foundation- moral depravation dominating in America, fueling terrorism internationally, suggests Nullification may be the quick fix-needed. To allow Socialism to burrow deeper, would be fatal for America. Perks of power, not love of country and desire to serve, to make a difference is too often driving motivation for politicians. Century long conditioning to overlook corruption in government for ‘entitlements’ means changing ‘dependency mindset will take time and determination. Since time is of the essence, NULLIFICATION may be only recourse to halt DOWNGRADE! Whatever it takes, its time for average -TEA PARTY- Americans to ‘bring it on’ TAKE BACK AMERICA. Until then, keep the faith and the conversation going.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    There are several organizations working on nullification in Missouri. This needs to spread to every state. Hopefully more people will become aware and work to further the effort.

  • http://none Jerry Anderson

    Great! At least it’s a start. Then we can go to work on th PPACA,

  • Airangel

    At age 76 when you most need it, you are not eligible for cancer treatment…

    JUDGE KITHIL IS THE 2ND OFFICIAL WHO HAS OUTLINED THESE PARTS OF THE OBAMA CARE BILL HB3200. Judge Kithil of Marble Falls, TX – highlighted the most egregious pages of this bill

    JUDGE KITHIL wrote:

    ** Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S.residents, even if they are here illegally.

    ** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual’s bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.

    ** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now – ACORN).

    ** Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax. (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)

    ** Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors’ fees.

    ** Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient’s age.

    ** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.

    ** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an “end-of-life planning” seminar every five years. (Death counseling..)

    ** Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.

    Judge Kithil then goes on to identify: “Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress. Members of Congress are already exempt from the Social Security system, and have a well-funded private plan that covers their retirement needs. If they were on our Social Security plan, I believe they would find a very quick ‘fix’ to make the plan financially sound for their future.”

    All of the above should give you the ammo you need to support your
    opposition to Obamacare.

    • Kate8

      Airangel – O’care was never about health, anyway. We all know that. It’s the part of the control grid that makes it operational.

      As far as being ineligible for chemo/radiation/surgery at that age…we should count our blessings. The treatments would kill you faster than the disease.

      One good thing might be that it will force people to find their own health solutions, which are far better than any BigBro (pharma) has to offer. That is, if we still have access to any of them.

      • 45caliber


        Oblamacare was developed solely to “share the wealth”. It was not about health care at all.

        Clinton’s health care program (that died) had two conflicting clauses in it. If you met one, you broke the other one. And it had a clause that allowed them to confiscate all possessions belonging to anyone that broke ANY clause. When this was pointed out to him, he agreed it was there and informed the Congressmen pointing it out that any medical program had to have it to allow the government to strip all wealth from anyone who might want to cause the government trouble. I suspect that it is also in Oblamacare in one form or another for the same reason.

        • Kate8

          45 – You are spot-on.

          Well said, too.

  • http://WeThePeople Jean

    Question? On this Obum Care – the states that have nullified it – does that mean that our Federal Income Tax will not go to supporting the states that want it – like the California & Illinois Welfare Junkies?

    • bob wire

      good question, ~ I don’t know.

      But it would be nice for each state to have greater control over government matter, each offering their own brand of government.

      If it was allowed to continue long enough ~ we’d seen a migration to the more preferred states that suited the inhabitant .

      My favorite state would be Louisiana. The People work and play hard in Louisiana and people expect to pay for their fun.

      I’d place a river transit tax on everything that went up and down my rivers and show the rest of the states just how important I’ve been in creation of this nation and how little appreciation I’ve received in return.

      Louisiana is not a cheap state to live in today, everything is high while the state is primitive (a time capsule) in comparison to many.

      • Alexis

        Bob Wire said:

        But it would be nice for each state to have greater control over government matter, each offering their own brand of government.

        If it was allowed to continue long enough ~ we’d seen a migration to the more preferred states that suited the inhabitant.

        Sir, you have exactly the right idea on all counts! Why can’t our elected people understand this excellent, yet simple, idea?

    • Alleninreality

      In Short, yes and that is why this cancerous Obama Care must be repealed now!

    • 45caliber

      Of course our tax money will. They have to “share the wealth”, right? Actually that is entirely what Oblamacare is about – not health care. Even if we don’t use it, our tax money will go for others to use it. But I’d rather pay for another state to use it than to have it in my state. At least then I MIGHT be able to retire gracefully instead of expecting all my medical rights to be terminated to save the government money.

  • Matt

    While ordinary citzens went about their daily business the Feds, going back to FDR, kept taking more rights from the states and thus the ordinary citizen. To the elite in Washington, the states are just a big pain in the backside as continue to erode individual right and anyone wh questions them is a terrorist or racist. They control the states by sending them money which belonged to the states anyway nad by giving money to those whom they want beholding to them and thus who will vote for them. People forget that the Fed has no money to give away until they take it from someone else

  • KJQ

    Sadly, the states are as corrupted by the same ideas and forces that the Federal government are. I really believe we’re past the point of not return, and only the total collapse of America or another civil war will be enough to bring America back to her roots. The latter is less likely only because there are no ‘states’ to stand against these ideas, only individuals. With no one to rally around, such a civil war would be ‘the people’ against their own municipal, state, and federal governments – and no one knows which side the civil and military powers will be on.

    • 45caliber

      That is certainly what all these government entities want you to believe!

      Incidently, over half the workers in the US work for some government entity. So less than half of us are supporting the majority – and that doesn’t even cover all those living on welfare.

  • Gun-totin’ liberal

    Well, True Believers, enjoy your fantasy world. To headline “nullification” as a “good Jeffersonian idea” is to use history incorrecctly and highly selectively. It really isn’t right although Jefferson did talk at a very early point on a Kentucky issue and the Alien and Sedition Act about nullification, it was put to greater use by Calhoun and others seeking to preserve slavery a couple decades later, which Jefferson would been unlikely to approve in the same terms.. Madison, writing later, said as much.
    You are way off base, but I know these comments won’t touch your beliefs. I don’t mean to insult you, but you really are fanatics.
    Think about joining the mainstream. And read some real history books.

    • Alexis

      Clearly, something must be done to quell the growing degree of federal power over our lives. It’s choking the life out of us, our small businesses and the dreams for ourselves and children yet unborn.
      Nullification is a great idea and perhaps the best people to enforce it are our elected county sheriffs who are defined as the chief law enforcement officers in each American county.

      • Robert

        Unfortunately far to many of those sheriffs are in the Fed pocket.

    • USAF VET

      Most likely you are referring to the latest history books that the Liberals are pushing to be put into schools that have rewritten history into what they THINK it should be instead of what it actually was. I’ve read history books and have seen how it has been rewritten. I have had to tell my grandkids the truth a few times because they were misinformed by what they read.

      • 45caliber

        USAF VET:

        I know exactly what you mean! Even today (my youngest is 30) they call to get my feelings on some things they hear since they know I’ll tell them the truth.

        Saddly they want to rewrite history to prevent the youth from knowing what worked and what didn’t work. Socialism does not work but they want it to work. Democracy works until someone brings in “share the wealth” of socialism and then it fails quickly.

        One thing that angered me about my daughter’s history book is that they rewrote history about Vietnam. “The military lost the war in Vietnam but the heroic (their word) Senators under H.H. Humphery managed to form a truce long enough to pull them out of the country and save their lives.” Yeah, right! I ended up writing an entire book about my time there and the things I learned about it while there. I required my kids to read it and as far as I know it is STILL in the school library.

        • Connie

          My kid, age 40, is a teacher who still comes back to Mom to ask for verification with regard to items she is to teach, yet feel they are wrong. Most of the time she’s right and I provide the documentation to verify.

          Now Jerry Moonbeam Brown, we live in SoCal, has signed a bill to teach about gays who have invented, discovered, etc., by having this inserted into the history books. My response was if they want to clarify it was a gay, then it only is right they also specify if a person was straight. My kid said it will likely never happen with the conservatives (most teachers, but not their union) fighting this in the courts. Plus the fact it would take years to not only re-write the books but to have them actually published. (There is a publishing company for educational books in San Francisco with more gay employees than straights, BTW).

          Isn’t it wonderful how the liberals are changing the course of history by turning fact into fictional education. NOT!

          • Jana

            On the same topic but a different bent, have you noticed the clothes that the models wear? Have you noticed the clothes that they dress the actors and actresses wear? How they are so unflattering for the females and show more and more skin for the guys, not flattering either.
            Gays are the ones who are in control of the fashion designer industry as well as in the movies as the clothing designers. As the morals go down so does the quatlity of decent clothes.

    • Tom

      Gun totin liberal,
      I have strongly suspected that many in the South and elsewhere have wanted a new Civil War. With all the talk of nullification, states rights, and secession, it seems to me some would welcome it. History has taught them nothing. They seem hell bent on restoring some mythical America that never was. Getting all the money out of politics would go a long way in restoring the one person, one vote legitimacy of our government. People feel powerless because their vote seems to count for little because politicians buy elections and are beholding to their big money benefactors. That’s the real war that needs to be fought with all the fierceness of a shooting war. That’s the real way to restore the Republic, insure personal liberty, and save the Union.

      • Gun-totin’ liberal

        Bingo. Not that it will make much difference here. Aw, pffft.

      • eddie47d

        The 10th Amendment organization may or may not be a relevant group. If all they want to do is abolish everything then most Americans will totally abandon them as part of the loony right. Are they standing on principles or only want to dominate someone else with their version of what is to be? The Americans for Prosperity(Koch) recently had a rally in Florida and 200 people signed up for the event. When the rally started only 15 people showed up. Not everyone is on board and supporting their agenda or maybe we are all being pulled in too many directions.

    • 45caliber


      I have more history books than most libraries do. One of my hobbies is to find out what REALLY happened instead of what they want to tell you happened in history. The ‘history’ books our kids are required to study are full of ‘errors’ (if you happen to point them out). Actually, these ‘errors’ are changes they made to prevent the kids from knowing what really happened. One local ‘history’ teacher even stated that it doesn’t matter if the books are wrong – that is what the government wants the kids to learn and that is the way she is going to teach it to them. Sad, isn’t it.

  • 45caliber

    I can just see it now -

    Twenty states refusing to honor Oblamacare. All those against it move to them and those in favor moving to the rest of the states.

    And a year later we have thirty bankrupt states trying to sue the twenty successful states for more money on the grounds of “not sharing the wealth”.

    • Barb

      You are so right!!

    • JeffH

      45caliber, WOW…ain’t that the truth!

  • CJM

    bobwire: “Ms. Maddow holds several degrees, including a Doctorate and would be a most able administrator to whatever she applied herself too,if she desired it.
    Maddow is unique from all other talking heads today in that she actually looks for solutions to problems with her exposing, in-depth commentary.” She may hold several degrees, but she is far from trying to find solutions by exposing ‘problems’ within the government. She IS part of the problem with her anti-Constitutional spit and extremely DISHONEST REPORTING OF EVENTS. If she were honest, she would not be facing a multimillion dollar lawsuit, now would she? She is and advocate for lesbianism/homosexual perversion, and a communist as well. Want to give her a reward? How about a trophy for being one of the most dishonest yellow journalists of the 21st century? Platitudes? Maddow deserves none.

    • Elevenarrows

      After seeing the extreme hatred for America and conservative causes that spews forth from our nations’ universities, I do not consider “she holds a doctorate” to be a good defense. Has anyone noticed what passes for an education these days??? Our universities have become training grounds for socialism…and worse.

    • Alexis

      With all due respect, I could care less if Ms. Maddow holds several college degrees. I have one too from a prestigous university and I can say after 30+ years after graduation that there were very few things, even back then, that I was taught, that was applicable to the real world. We have a Harvard graduate in the WH. In law, never the less. He doesn’t follow the Constitution as required through his oath of office. A Harvard education is certainly not worth what many thought it was as we clearly have the most unprepared, ill-equipped and least qualified president in office since the nation was founded.
      In most cases, college is a rip-off for young people as not only what they are taught is useless, is genuinely a waste of time, gathering huge debts! They should spend their young years to create something of value… Your own business perhaps?

  • joseph p bell

    on 911 ,only one person survived the Naval Command Center at the Pentagon ; According to LT.KEVIN SHAEFFER, they were watching what happened at the WTC . and would have been able to prove what really happened ? Sorry they killed you for that LT.Shaeffer,after you served on the 911 Commission Staff ,Page 11 of the 911 Report . Robert Novak ,star Republican news writer was the first to say” 911 was an inside job “.

    • mark

      Right, George W. Bush launched the attack on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon!!!!! This is why no one takes ultra-libertarians and ultra-conservatives seriously. Too many of them push these crazy, cuckoo-clock ideas! Look I voted against Bush twice, but I would never state or believe that he had anything whatsover to do with the 9/11 attacks. While I disagreed with virtually all of Bush’s policies I acknowledge him as a sincere American who took what he thought were the right decisions during his presidency. I just wish more people could do the same regarding President Obama.

      • USAF VET

        When a president fails to fulfill his oath of office and goes completely against our Constitution it is impossible support him. Obamacare has been ruled unconstitutional yet he keeps pushing it, he has unconstitutionally pushed executive orders on us that go completly against what out country stands for yet we are supposed to accept and support him. I DON’T THINK SO!!!!! BHO has tried to cause the downfall of our country at every turn and he will continue to do so until we boot him out of office. GOD BLESS AND HELP AMERICA.

        • Kate8

          USAF VET – Amen!

        • Barb

          Right there with you USAF VET!! Finally somebody with the balls to say what needs to be said! Thank you!!

        • JeffH

          USAF VET…ditto! :)

        • Jay

          Absolutely, lets kick that evil useless prick, and cronies to the curb!

  • Elevenarrows

    45caliber, I would laugh at your succinct way of putting that if it weren’t sad because it is so true! I do think that more of us need to “vote with our feet”. Many patriots have headed for the mountain states in the American Redoubt movement. Since I’m residing in SC, a conservative state that has a good grasp of freedom, I don’t feel the need to relocate. My husband and I have a vacation home in NC and I am so thankful to be a South Carolinian when I see the liberal, anti-freedom policies in NC. If we could persuade like-minded people to move to states that support their views of America, we would finally know for certain how many conservatives there are vs. liberals (since we sure can’t trust the polls!) We would be able to easily identify socialists…they would all be herded together in the most liberal, anti-Constitution states they could find….probably many homosexuals and other deviants would be there, too. Conservative, Christians would be free to move through their states with the assurance that their kids would not encounter naked women on billboards, gay pride cesspools, Mexican gangs, etc. Maybe SC was onto something with that whole secession thing.

    • mark

      Right and we should close down all the state universitities in those states and open Bible Schools instead. Just teach people the word of God. That is all they need: not science and engineering and that crap spread by liberals. We only need to read are two things in our lives: the Bible and the Constitution. What else do we need?

      • Barb

        How about some common sense Mark? I’s not Engineering and Nursing and Medicine etc. that we’re talking about. It’s the courses the students are forced to take to graduate. Like the slanted history, social centered classes also slanted etc. Get rid of the unnecessary classes and what do you get? A good focused education without the brainwashing! Whatever happened to common sense? Think about it!

        • mark

          No university science classes teach evolution which runs counter to the Word of God, don’t you know that? We have to get rid of that atheist science and bring back Creationism if we are ever going to rescue the United States from the Devil….uh….I mean from Obama…well basically they are one and the same. Change the curriculum in all our biology, botany, and zoology classes, and astronomy as well. We need to bring back the Bible and smite all our enemies as Jehovah states very clearly. We can’t let the gays marry either, or serve in the military because the Bible is against all of this. Don’t you watch Huckabee or Beck, they will explain all of this to you. And give more money and guns to Israel! Cut all our foreign aid to the poor nations of the world and then give it all instead to Israel, more tanks and fighter-jets for the Rapture. Thank you Lord! Thank you Jesus! I believe, I believe Oh Great Lord Jehovah!!!!

          • 45caliber

            Sorry, mark. You are being juvenile – not funny. You totally lack any sense of humor. Forget it.

          • Jay

            Hang on there, 45. As far as i’m concerned, mark is living proof that Jehovah God has great patience, and is all merciful. Consider the Apostle Paul. Prior to Paul’s conversion, was not Paul among the chief persecutors of Christians, highly instrumental in putting Christians to death. But did Jehovah God smite him? Certainly not! Because Jehovah God is all knowing, and all merciful! As a result of Paul’s face to face with the great Jehovah God, Paul became chief among the apostles, a great evangelist, an effective apologist of the Christian faith, was instrumental in the great spread of Christianity, and in the end, died for his faith! Never underestimate, the Genius, the Mercy, the Power, all Knowing, and Grace of the Great, Jehovah God!!!

      • 45caliber


        Question. How many inventions have been made by liberals? And I’m not talking about social things. I’m talking hard steel items.

        I think you will find that most are created by conservatives since we don’t have our heads in the clouds (of pot smoke).

  • http://moniquer7 Merlin

    Each branch of government must be restricted to those responsibilities and the use of authority granted to them by the constitution. Each branch must also gard against encrochment by either one of the other barnches into their own authority. Seperation of the branches has become blured and our system of checks & ballances is almost nonexistent. This is especialy true when the same party has control of bothe the executive and both houses of legislative branches. A lot of other countries have local community and county type governments but non have various regional governments of the sort we have in the form of the several States. We have State governments for reasons. One such reason is to protect citizens from the over extented control and abuse by the federal government. The several states also have functions to perform as granted to them by the Constitution. this is a further seperation of power and authority to help ensure personal freedom.

  • bud

    bobwire, you are like others who know nothing but think they know everything. rachel madcow is a raving idiot. so she has a degree, big deal as a lot of evil people get degrees. by the way getting a phd has nothing to do with intelligence all it means is that they spent more time in college listening to more crap. you would be amazed at the number of women who slept with the professors to get their degree. now i don’t know about rachel madcow – as I am not sure any sane man would actually get in bed with her.

    and your idiotic idea of “balance” is that evey idea – thought – action needs a countering. using your stupid and leftwing idea you would put a pediophile on to “balance” a program that protects kids. And furthermore, you ideal of “balance” does not extend to any Christian or conservative idea – does it dufus?

  • CJM

    Who even cares what that dribblemouth maddow says…a rock has more brains than she does. As for obamacare, he and pelosi made sure that if a citizen does not purchase that insurance, they would be jailed. Well, everyone should REFUSE to make that purchase…there aren’t enough jails/prisons to hold the population that is against the healthcare packet. Since the bill is to become active over a period of time, when that day arises, all citizens should file a law suit that challenges it as being unconstitutional. Glad to see the States nullifying these so-called mandates. Now, if only these States would file recalls on the wayward/rogue congress members,that would be great.

  • Bob

    Great article! The federal government should abide within the limits of the Constitution. It should only do what is within its powers to do, a LIMITED government. Thus it would be much smaller than it is now. The states would be free to be as big as they want to in government. Also, the cities and counties could do what they want. Education, DOT and welfare would be at the state and local levels. California could become Kalifornia and Texas could be a limited government state. Austin could have high taxes as it is a peoples republic. The same could happen for the Peoples Republics of Boulder and Berkeley. Everybody would get what they want. If someone doesn’t like their government – MOVE!!!!!

  • TIME


    Thanks for a Great Blog, I enjoyed it.

  • Kate8

    Michael – Yes, great article.

    The only think I might mention is that, as far as states rejecting Real ID, I think that is all to distract us from realizing that VIRTUALLY ALL STATES ISSUE REAL-ID COMPLIANT DRIVER’S LICENSES.

    The let us think we have a win here and there, bit the NWO is proceding unabated.

    It was left on the books for a reason.

    • Kate8

      Oh, and BTW. The agency that issues our driver’s licenses now is part of the UN. I posted the name of this agency here awhile back, and don’t recall its name right now.

      Things have progressed much further than people realize. In fact, essentially, it’s ready to go. They just need an event for them to bring it into the open.

  • Old Henry

    Mr. Boldin:

    Good article. Please continue to fight the good fight sir. Here in the “Land of Stincloln” where we have the best government money can buy, they don’t know how to spell Nullification, much less act on it.

    I think Madcow might have a point about the “slavery” in a round-about-way. We have been made slaves by, and to, Washington D.C. The “Tenthers” are in the process of freeing the slaves.

    However, given her proclivity for deviancy she probably likes being bound and a slave to D.C. She, and her kind, expects us to live and let live. She, and her kind, needs to heed their own ideals, but we here all know that liberals (a different way to spell communists) are of the do as I say, not as I do ilk.

  • Bert Cundle

    Useing the States To Nulify the Fed. un Constitutional inactments; is realy funny… States are the bigest, Constitutional Violaters… The Penal Code: Is Anti Civil Rights & Anti U. S. Constitutional Bible!


    I’m all for it! Let’s get rid of these SOBs!

  • meteorlady

    I live in Texas and at this point I hope we sucede and get on with our lives. No more revenue sharing and we would have more money than we have now. I hate what our country has become and I am actively supporting Ron Paul.

    • 45caliber

      I don’t really think Paul will make a wonderful President – but he certainly will be wonderful after what we now have! And he is also better than most of those the GOP is now running – although they don’t want him either. So I’ll be supporting him too.

  • downs1

    Human government is obviously not the answer! Why? Because the majority of people in our government today are intellectually dishonest, power hungry, inconsistent, deceitful, and untrustworthy! They lie to the people they are supposed to serve; they subjugate and use the people as monetary respources! They are hateful, arrogant, back-stabbing, immoral, character assassins! One example: There is an adversarial relationship between the parties that is clearly shown by the bitter and hateful comments by many in the very liberal left Mainstream Media that are untrue, hurtful and calculated to ruin those attacked. Another example: This country is forbidden to create domestic jobs because the EPA forbids the mining of domestic coal, drilling for domestic oil, and utilizing other natural respources ostensibly because of environmental pollution. Yet, we subsidize foreigners drilling off our coast without a peep that they may cause pollution to our shores, etc.! We send billions of dollars in “aid” to countries that are ruled by dictators who would love to see us go down. We pay hundreds of millions of American tax dollars to repair and refurbish Muslim mosques in unfriendly Muslim countries! But freedom “from” religion is the watchword here! This Administration sucks up to the Palestinians but makes incredible, unrealistic demands on our only ally in the Middle East, Israel. Yet another example: We use the US Constitution against the citizens by misinterpreting it whenever possible in order to tear down our religious heritage. Everything that we have been doing currently has been calculated to destroy this nation. It’s time to clean the House . . . and the Senate! And, for heavens sake, clean out “our” White House! It is beginning to stink! Wake up America!

    • mark

      Right, human government is very bad. We should have government by…I don’t know, plants and animals maybe?

      • Jay

        Here’s an idea mark, you government addicted plant! How about we govern ourselves, with absolute minimal government, like, 10% of what we presently have? Or should we just double the present size of government? Hey, here’s an idea. How about we grow the government so that we have enough government, and government employees, that will be in exact proportion to the number of taxpayers? That way, each and every single taxpayer will have a government employee to assist the taxpayer, in his day to day duties to the government? You like?

        • Kate8

          Jay – And how about that they are ALL ACCOUNTABLE TO THE TAXPAYERS.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          When I was a kid and we started penmanship using the Palmer method, I had difficulty writing the G,so I had to keep writing this sentence over and over again “The Government which governs least governs best”. This sentence is the best summation of small government.

          • Jana

            Nadzieha B,
            That is a perfect summory. It makes good common sense.
            I bet now you have beautiful handwriting too.

  • Raggs

    I am ready to get this government completely and forever out of our lives…

    • mark

      Right, we don’t need any government at all. We should just all walk around with guns and get what we need. The free market will work it all out. And if we have to go without police, firefighters, roads, hospitals, air traffic controllers, bridges, and dams, Social Security, Medicare, rules and laws about stop signs and speed limits, well hell; we can just make it on our own. We don’t need any of that stuff. Teach our own kids the Bible and the Constitution in our own homes and shut all these atheistic schools and colleges down. Hell my father never went to college, so I mean who needs all that crap?! The main thing is to be an American! As long as you’re an American; you’ll be all right. You don’t need the rest of it – government and civilization, it’s just a bunch of bullcrap invented by the liberals and other unAmericans, who knows Muslims, Africans, whatever? The Romans and the Greeks you say, well, what the hell did they know anyway? WE DON’T NEED ANY OF IT!!!!

      • Jay

        Hey mark, ever heard of, PRIVATIZATION? Or should we just hand everything over to the incompetent, and useless government, including wiping our rear-ends? No doubt they would screw that up too. But I’m sure you would be happy with that, after all, they’re already wiping your drool, why not your arse too?

      • Buckminister Foley

        Of all the things that you mentioned, not one of them have anything to do with the Federal Government. They are all jobs that are part of States, Counties, or Municipalities, including the educational facilities. What Nullification is about is getting the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT off our backs, out of our wallets and out of our way to produce the jobs, commodities, and manufactured products that makes this nation Prosperous. The Constitution denies the Federal Government has any business in the middle or writing laws that concern any of these things. They are limited to protecting our borders (which they refuse to do), and giving us a good light in world affairs. They think that they need to tax us to death to buy the world’s favorable opinions and that is one of the things that liberals know that just isn’t so. Nullification puts the power where it was always intended, back in the states. Simple logic. No big deal. Unless you are a slacky that wants to live off of someone else’s labor.

  • larryhagedon

    Nullification does work.

    Presidents Bush and Obama have both used it to nullify the border fence, to nullify prosecuting and deporting of many foreign criminals, to nullify hiring of border guards and to prosecute border guards for doing their job.

    Obama used it to nullify the Defense of Marriage act and Dont ask Dont Tell. He has nullified the law about proving he is a citizen to serve as President.

    The jurors nullified the law in the OJ Simpson trial and the Michael Jackson trial.

    No question about it, nullification works great.

  • bruce bailey

    Ok we have a blueprint of what is supposed to happen in order to keep the Federal Government from treading overbearing laws and regulations on American Citizens. I feel we must go much further as individuals to make sure there is some sort of enforcement to the plan. As we all know.. if there is no teeth to the enforcement of the plan then the plan dont work. The only ones that have the money and time to bypass laws and regulations are corporations. Corporations always have the money to do what it wants and it never tires. We as Citizens must remember that who we are fighting against is ourselves. You say “what, how can you say that?” is it true or not true that the only entity that can work against our God given rights is another Citizen? Dont we as individuals have a duty to inform and educate our fellow human beings? Yes maybe it has nothing to do with having the intellegence to do right but the need for the basic needs in life such as being able to earn a living in order to maintain the quality of life. We must not forget that those working against us are not untouchables, they are our friends and neighbors. We must be most deligent to watch our friends and neighbors not for the purpose of invoking hardship but to let them know we are watching. Our friendS or neighborS that work for the NTA or such entity certainly wont be trodding on another individual Constitutional rights if he/she realizes that they are being watched and we definetly know where {you} live! One other thing that a human needs besides monetary benefits and that is the need to fit in with our peers, the need to feel wanted, that the individual has a purpose in life. I dont know about you but I am sick and tired of seeing my fellow Citizens trodding on another thinking they can get away with it and at the same time say “it is fine just dont do it to me!” HOW ABSURD AND LOWLIFE! If we watch those with a powerfull position that knowingly violate us for the reason of money should be shut out of the circle and be ostersized. We all need to work on this with a religious fervor even if it does sound communistic. Times have come to where we need to use evil against evil. This action does not sound good but where my rights have gone and will continue to go sound alot worse. Its payback time in an Orderly, Legal, Humane fashion!

  • alikatt

    OZ never gave anything to the tin man that he didn’t already have! I have a degree or two and I’m the first to admit that my shiny diploma doesn’t make me smart; it’s the unpublished one I got through the school of hard knocks the past 58 years that taught me everything!

    • 45caliber

      I agree.

      A degree only shows the completion of education (and I have one). Education only gives you knowledge – it doesn’t give you the ability to use it. And it certainly doesn’t give you common sense!

    • Connie

      My hard knocks “formal education” far exceeds that of the parchment “higher education” diploma in a box somewhere around here.

  • jmonty79

    Oh God I can believe what I just read! Blaming conservatives for slaver?y??? Boy you really have drank the kool aid. History tells us that it was the liberals who championed the cause of slavery . It was the liberals who tax and tax and tax, all in the name of helping the little guy. Roosevelt new deal did t end the great depression WWII DID It is quite obvious that you swallowed the liberal arts aspect of education. You spout what you’ve been taught but you didn’t actually LEARN anything at all!! Just a new miner bird repeating information with no clue what it really means or its truthfulness cause you didn’t bother to do your own research and actually use that brain.

  • JeffH

    I though I would share this article that I recieved from a good friend this morning. It is an article from a small Michigan newspaper.

    What Has America Become was the title of a letter to the editior written by Ken Huber of Tawas City, Michigan.

    Has America become the land of special interest and home of the double standard?

    Lets see: if we lie to the Congress, it’s a felony and if the Congress lies to us its just politics; if we dislike a black person, we’re racist and if a black person dislikes whites, its their 1st Amendment right; the government spends millions to rehabilitate criminals and they do almost nothing for the victims; in public schools you can teach that homosexuality is OK, but you better not use the word God in the process; you can kill an unborn child, but it is wrong to execute a mass murderer; we don’t burn books in America, we now rewrite them; we got rid of communist and socialist threats by renaming them progressive; we are unable to close our border with Mexico, but have no problem protecting the 38th parallel in Korea; if you protest against President Obama’s policies you’re a terrorist, but if you burned an American flag or George Bush in effigy it was your 1st Amendment right.

    You can have pornography on TV or the internet, but you better not put a nativity scene in a public park during Christmas; we have eliminated all criminals in America, they are now called sick people; we can use a human fetus for medical research, but it is wrong to use an animal.

    Read the complete text of the editorial here:

  • Carol

    Maddow is like a lot of the “reporters”. Check to see how many were born in Canada. Maddow may have been born in California, but her mother is Canadian, and was a big influence on her. Her father was in the service, and is now a lawyer. I wonder what he thinks of the daughter he raised.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Sorry to say folks, as she attended the school systems she was brought up with her own peers and by her own peers. Teachers are the facilitators but it is the peer pecking orders which have the most influence.Parents have had the least influence on their own children.

  • Melody

    Mark, Please do your research before spewing junk about stuf you have heard or read from only a few resourches. It makes it easy for them to pick on you. When I say research I mean studying both sides of the story extensively, not just the one you originaly agree with. Afterwards if you still dissagree with those idiots than at least your oppinion will be an honest well educated one, and they won’t be able to find purchase on it as easily. You make yourself look bad when you spout off things you obviously haven’t done propper research on. Studying both sides of the story is one thing I have to agree with Glenn on, whether I am for or against him.

    • mark

      You actually believe that anyone on this website researches both sides of an issue and then uses the ideas from both sides in their postings?! This is a conservative site where 98% of the contributors only push the conservative viewpoint because they believe the other side to be evil, unAmerican, and traitorous. Who on this site is using a combination of ideas from all political viewpoints? NO ONE! And certainly not the author of introductory piece who views nullification solely from a libertarian perspective. Does he give the contrary historical view that nullification was use largely by Calhoun and others to insure that the federal government could never abolish the INSTITUTION OF SLAVERY! Michael Boldin never even mentions John Calhoun once in his article. I mean how can anyone talk about nullification in U.S. History and not talk about John Calhoun (1782-1850). But I doubt if anyone on this blog including you even know who John Calhoun was and his significance to U.S. history. All thinking Americans and American historians certainly do.

      • Jay

        Ever been on a liberal site, mark? Talk about the deadly result of excessive in-breeding! How can you not be embarrassed with the idiotic statements you post? Unless off course, you never read them!

  • Tunaman

    You folks need to ignore the colossal idiot aka:bob wire; bw is a lost cause! Why waste your time on this clown???

  • Buckminister Foley

    I have always instinctively knew that what you are doing here is right, legal and morally supported by our Constitution and the founders. I have always ascribed to the theory that our founders didn’t make no junk. That if you had a question of whether something is constitutional; that you just have to test it with the obvious. And the obvious is in the minds of freedom loving beings such as our founders as well as our own logic completely. Our faith in our founding as well as our faith in our God is unshakable by a bunch of loony tune left wing lugnuts. Our Bible guides our spiritual side as well as Our Constitution guides our political side. My love for liberty is what makes me American. My love for God is what makes me believe in the American Dream. May God Bless your movement and protect your lives and families from the insignificant rants of a vile disturbed child of God called Rachel Maddow. Keep focused on the outcome and God will be with you.

  • Michael Williams

    Michael Boldin is right on point. States need to stand up for their rights as the founding fathers intended.

  • Marc

    Very good article/story. I have always called our ruling parties either the “DemoPublican Party” or the “RepubliCrats.” No matter which batch of lying scum-eating maggots are in office, Nothing Ever Changes.
    The system just gets worse. I continually mention to people another form – Jury Nullification.
    State or fed case, just Vote, but vote Not Guilty. SHUT DOWN bad government.
    The power of the Pen married to unfettered Minds.

  • BrotherPatriot

    I had intended to read all the posts here but just don’t have the time…so I have cheated and posting w/out readin the rest. Hope what I have to say here has already been said…but I want to make sure it’s voiced.

    Nullification. Root level thinking.

    Nullify the imposter in chief. By doing this…we nullify all that he has written into being.


    Find all the supporting cast that has helped get him into the positition that he is in and criminally charge them all (this is the majority of our polititions in Washington including of course the majority of Congress). These people would be fined, incarcerated, perhaps even put to death due to the level of their treasonous crimes. (Yes, some crimes are punishable by death even hear in America if proven beyond a doubt that they are guilty. Deal with it.)

    The above would require the majority of our loyal Constitutional Active Military Personnel and what few honest Constitutional politions that are currently serving to back it. I sense this would also have to bring back into the fray a great deal of retired, honorably served military & police force personel as well.

    Reveal the secret society that is linked even though they use so many different names for their various organizations. This will end the Fed and reveal them to be the villianous cowards that they are for having so many people of this earth killed during their prefabricated wars. They financed both sides of WW1 and WW2…proven facts. They falsified our entry into Vietnam also…proven by Alex Jones recently.

    Until we do these things or something simular…until we start speaking about that which is not spoken about (the secret society), nothing will ever change. Until we realize that America has been hijacked from within a very long time ago…nothing will ever change.

    Once again I’ll site Dr. Stanley Montieth’s, “Brotherhood of Darkness” as one source many of you need to read.

    God Bless.

    • Kate8

      BrotherPatriot – Yep. Read “Brotherhood of Darkness” a long time ago, and it was eye-opening.

      I recently read “Apollyon Rising 2012″ by Tom Horn. It goes into much greater detail than “Brotherhood”, and carries it further. A great read, too.

      In fact, Tom Horn has written several great books on the subject.

  • Mad Max

    Not nearly enough. We think too small in this country. That’s why we’re falling into ruin. To be great, America has to do great things.
    To fix all the crap in this country we need a bette government (direct democracy). Revolution 2.0 is the only way to get there.

    Memo to America: Stop waiting for Democrats and Republicans to save you. It’s bad for your health and your future. Can’t you tell?

    Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( )

    • BrotherPatriot

      We do not have a Democracy…we never have.

      We have a Constitutional Republic. There is a distinct difference.

      Never once does it say the word, “Democracy” in the Constitution, The Bill of Rights or even the Declaration of Independence.

      There is a reason for this.

      Democracy’s end in Dictatorship. Even the blind can see where Obummer is trying to go with this. All stepped into place in “their” movement down through the years…such as the Patriot Act. “They” move one piece (laws that they put in place w/built in loop holes, etc.) at a time…just like chess down through the years.

      Learn the truth. They are vast in resources and international…I ask…who are “They?”. Let’s talk about it.

      God Bless.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Direct Democracy would be the worst type of government. It sounds so nice that all will have an input but the reality proves otherwise, that thugs and bullies take over and manipulate the populace.

  • Herbert E. Brown II

    Nullification is a good thing. But there is a simpler way of doing it and I never see it mentioned on any of these type blogs.

    Look up “Quo Warranto”.

    Any representative, house, senate or executive branch, is subject to it. If they submit unconstitutional laws, or even vote for any, Quo Warranto can be used to remove them from office, with loss of all income and benefits, and barred from ever holding office again.

    Why is this never published?

    • BrotherPatriot

      Nice one! Excellent post!

      Keep enlightening us “useless eaters!”.

      God Bless!

    • Kate8

      Herbert – Devvy Kidd has spoken of this. I believe it’s been tried.

      None of our Constitutional remedies seem to be effective anymore.

      What does that tell us?

    • Alex

      Although it’s a right reserved to the people under the ninth and tenth amendments, Quo Warranto has been suppressed at the Federal level because it is not consistent with the constitution. Unless someone is ready to spend a small fortune filing a complaint against the federal government to give that power to the people in light of the House’s inaction, there’s not much we can do about it.

      The constitution says in Article I, §2 that “The House of Representatives [...] shall have the sole Power of Impeachment,” and in Article I, §3, “The Senate shall have the sole power to try all Impeachments. [...] And no Person shall be convicted without the concurrence of two thirds of the members present.”

      So we can’t just file a complaint Quo Warranto and demand that the elected official in the House or Senate provide proof of his or her authority to exercise certain unconstitutional powers. It would be nice if we could remove them from office that easily, but they have the right to trial before the Senate and have to be convicted by a two thirds vote. And that can’t happen until the House first proposes impeachment for the offenses, which is a power unfortunately wasted on trying to get rid of presidents who get blowjobs and lie about it, but leave Senators with prostitution rings active and other Senators blatantly defying their oath of office in proposing unconstitutional legislation. McCarthy is a prime example. She is firmly behind Sarah Brady, who stated in The National Educator, January 1994, “Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn’t matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.”

      It was a nice thought, but Quo Warranto won’t work.

  • NoMoreMarxistsInDC

    We have Federal Child Support laws that feed the states billions. We have Federal Domestic Violence laws (“Violence Against Women Act–VAWA”) that feed the states billions. We have Child Abuse Prevention laws that feed the states billions. Why? Because it’s for the attorneys to clean up on and the states to grow and maintain their bureaucracies of incompetents that run it!

    The outcome of this 35 year Federal funding to the states regarding domestic relations issues? Destruction of the family, married families dropping to below 50% of all types of families, destroyed and damaged children, 30,000 men committing suicide each year because of oppressive child support and domestic violence laws (that are used falsely to gain advantage of custody of children and assets of the marriage), children that become delinquents, pregnant, drug & alcohol abusers, drop out of school, commit violent crimes, etc.

    All we have to do is look at England this past week at what the government’s welfare system has done to families, women and children, and we see the template for what is going to happen here.

  • http://n/a sg126

    The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only 3 months & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it. That was in 1971…before computers, before e-mail, before cell phones, etc.

    Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took 1 year or less to become the law of the land…all because of public pressure.

    I’m asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise.

    In three days, most people in The United States of America will have the message. This is one idea that really should be passed around.

    Congressional Reform Act of 2011

    1. No Tenure / No Pension.
    A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.

    2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.
    All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.

    3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.

    4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

    5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

    6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.

    7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/12.
    The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

    If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people then it will only take three days for most people (in the U.S. ) to receive the message. Maybe it is time.


    • Jana

      Great post and I agree.

    • 1SG Bud Parker, USA, Retired

      Great idea. The only problem is that Congress has spent decades creating nirvana for themselves. Somehow, I doubt they will intentionally revert to being “Regular People.”

      Until we voters extract our cranium from our anal orifice and flush the toilet we call Congress, nothing will change. Even if we voted them all out, it might not change. In the last six election cycles for the House the lowest reelection rate was 94%. Many years it is 98%. It seems that they are all a pack of cheating liars, except my Representative. (S)he is the only good one of the bunch. Let’s vote ‘em all out (except mine.)

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