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These Billionaires Wasted Millions Of Dollars

March 30, 2012 by  

These Billionaires Wasted Millions Of Dollars
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Sheldon Adelson and Harold Simmons have donated millions of dollars to Super PACs in support of Republican candidates.

Las Vegas casino mogul Sheldon Adelson and Texas billionaire Harold Simmons should find a better way to spend their money.

So far this campaign season, the two men and their families have contributed more than $35 million to various Republican political-action groups — the so-called “Super PACs.” Most of that money has been spent running negative ads about some Republican candidate for President on another candidate’s behalf.

Is this any way to save our country?

Of the two, Adelson has gotten by far the worse results for his money. Reportedly, he and his wife Miriam have contributed $16 million to Winning Our Future, the super-PAC formed to support Newt Gingrich’s run for the White House. His daughter, Shelley Adelson, contributed $500,000. The Adelson family was definitely the elephant in the house, contributing 87 percent of the $18.8 million the Super PAC has raised.

But with Gingrich falling further and further behind, contributions have pretty much dried up. While Gingrich insists he’s in the race to the bitter end, I don’t think anyone except his wife expects him to stage another miraculous comeback.  It doesn’t appear that he’ll win enough delegates to throw his considerable weight around at the Republican convention. Yes, he’ll get a major speaking slot. But don’t look for him on the ballot — or to have much say on who is.

Unlike his fellow billionaire, Harold Simmons hasn’t put nearly as much money behind a single candidate. The pro-Rick Santorum Red, White and Blue Fund received $1.2 million from Simmons. He gave $1.1 million to the pro-Gingrich Winning Our Future and to the pro-Rick Perry Restoring Prosperity Fund (formerly Americans For Rick Perry). Thus far, Simmons has given $800,000 to the pro-Mitt Romney Restore Our Future, although I expect that to change after Romney gets the nomination.

The biggest beneficiary of Simmons’ generosity has been American Crossroads, the Super PAC founded by Karl Rove and other former top Republicans. Thus far in this election cycle, it has received some $14.5 million from Simmons and his wife.

You have to admire Simmons’ objective here. “Any of these Republicans would make a better president than that socialist, Obama,” he told The Wall Street Journal. “Obama is the most dangerous American alive… because he would eliminate free enterprise in this country.”

Eight years ago, Simmons was a key contributor to the Swift Boat veterans’ attack ads against Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry. In the 2008 Presidential campaign, he helped finance ads stressing the ties between Barack Obama and Bill Ayers, co-founder of the radical Weather Underground. Today, he regrets not spending more on them. “If we had run more ads,” he says, “we could have killed Obama.”

If Simmons has his way, that’s not going to happen this year. So you can expect that he’ll be writing a lot of checks between now and November.

And I’m happy to report that not all of them will go into the Presidential race. He promises to spend a ton of money on Congressional races. “Getting control of Congress is almost as important as beating the president,” he said. Simmons hopes to help Republicans gain control of the Senate and keep their majority in the House. If that happens, he says, “we can block” Democratic efforts to over-regulate business.

I actually disagree with Simmons on that point. I think getting more good Constitutionalists elected to Congress is more important than putting another establishment Republican in the White House. Sure, we would enjoy a wonderful psychological victory if Barack Obama were sent packing this November. But our enjoyment wouldn’t last very long if we got another George Bush I or II to succeed him. Thus far, I haven’t seen much evidence that Romney will fight very hard for the principles I hold dear — or, for that matter, that he even understands what they are. Have you?

I am going to be very selective this year in deciding who gets any of my money. I hope we’ll have a chance to elect a few more Rand Pauls and Pat Toomeys to the Senate. And a whole bunch of tough-minded, non-compromising conservatives in the House.

Remember, if Congress won’t approve it, the Administration can’t spend it. So even if we don’t defeat Obama this November or have enough votes to override his vetoes in 2013, we can sure throw a bunch of sand in the Democrats’ gears simply by taking away their money.

You don’t have to be a billionaire for your efforts to make a big difference in what happens this November. I hope you’ll pick some good guys and gals to support this fall. Put your money and your mouth behind them. Use the comments section below to let me know whom you like and why. Who knows? You may persuade several of our readers to support them as well.

I’ve already sent a few bucks to FreedomWorks, Jim DeMint’s Senate Conservative Fund; a couple of Tea Party groups; and my all-time favorite behind-the-scenes group, The Leadership Institute. What are you doing to make a difference?

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • s c

    That’s quite a rant, Chip. I take great offense in hearing someone call Obummer a mere socialist. He’s that and so much more. Anyone who dares to combine elements of socialism, communism, fascism and galloping progressive utopianism is NOT just a socialist, Chip [Harold Simmons, actually].
    As for wasting money, that’s a polite way to phrase it. That is, I don’t like it. Then again, I can only imagine what Obummer’s jockstrappers are spending – and laundering – and creating – and taking in the form of ‘loans’ from Americans and foreigners. I wonder how much money it will take to ‘persuade’ dead voters to turn out in droves – AGAIN.
    What bothers me the most about ‘Republicans’ wasting all that money is in the fact that they’re too whored-out to put that money where it belongs. Any conservative is better than any ‘Republican.’
    A real, old-fashioned Democrat would be better than any current ‘Democrat.’ And, a hormone-burdened teenager with a basic education is better than the boob in the W H or most ‘Republicans.’

    • T i m

      R O N P A U L …………..Has said everything I want to hear . ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Mr. Wood , Mr. Livingston , when do you think M S M will hear something significant from Dr. Paul , which they can no longer ignor ………. I will vote for Dr. Paul … ..B T W , we must stop sugar coating the entitlements program , and call it what it is ….Welfare is paid from SOCIAL SECURITY . Lots of people do not know this , EVEN DEMOCRATS . my name is T i m

      • Meteorlady

        The SS Trust Fund has been systematically robbed for years, since LBJ promised his Medicare/Medicaid plan would be revenue neutral. To do so, he stole money from SS and put it in the General Fund to subsidize these two programs. If big business or unions would have robbed their employee pension funds, they would be in court and then jail.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “If big business or unions would have robbed their employee pension funds, they would be in court and then jail.”

        Wrong. Only big business would go to jail the unions would be given a slap on the wrist with a very limp noodle and told to be good boys and girls from now on.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        TIM, don’t hold your breath waiting for the MSM to even mention Ron Paul’s name but I think you already knew that.

      • independant thinker

        I do not think Ron Paul has much chance of becoming the Republican candidate however I will vote in the Republican primary for the first time ever so I can vote for him and a couple of other candidates on the state level. The reason I have not voted in the Republican primary before is in the area I live there traditionaly have been very few to no contested races in the republican primaries. All the races with opposition has always been in the democrat primaries so I voted there to try and get the best democrat on the ballot. This year is different plus I feel I need to vote for Mr Paul.

      • GALT

        Once again, another distraction….billionaires wasting money followed by irrelevant commentary, logical fallacy and erroneous conclusions…..while failing to ask the the right questions and alluding to good constitutionalists ( no such thing ) and over regulated business.

        The right questions are 1.) How did they come by the money they are wasteing? and
        2.) Why are they willing to waste it?

        Since we know that power corrupts and that our government has been corrupted, the source of your problem, is not government but the corruptor’s of it……and the agenda
        behind that corruption.

        If you would actually like to know the history and the source of your problems, the links below will connect you with an interview of the author of Power, Inc, David Rothkopf.

        It is not a substitute for reading the book, for the concepts involved are not those simplistic
        bromides that attempt to pass for reasoned analysis or actual solutions. After all, power corrupts, is fairly straight forward…..but it can’t tell you the methods or motives of who’s doing the corrupting, or for what purpose. Clearly, you should understand that solving the problem of corruption in government can not be achieved without knowing this information?

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMbQA6n9PgU&feature=plcp&context=C466c736VDvjVQa1PpcFNVmXR_sq_i05AQC5Iw2bS-Gm01suakzWc=

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJOLg717GL4&feature=plcp&context=C41d4657VDvjVQa1PpcFNVmXR_sq_i02GQ7RGV7vleaP6saj0Exy4=

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Hey T i m, you’d better take a look at the mysterious hand that’s doodling something about Dr. Paul on the wall!!! The field is starting to thin a little, I don’t see a viable challanger for the office of our beloved POTUS emerging! Please tell me it ain’t so!!! Barack or a hard place?!! My grandmother (God rest her soul!) could defeat Barack Hussein Obama and the GOP is going to fail to put forth a candidate who I believe can!!! PITIFUL! Ronnie’s rollin’ in his tomb!!! My name is T o m.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Het Meteorlady, even allowing those bums anywhere near those funds is like allowing the COWS to guard the pharmacy at the hospital!!! Duh… Does anyone know of a site whwrwe you can see what SS has taken in amd paid out over the duration of it’s existence?! I’m just curious!

    • RichE

      I’m not against tax incentives (subsidies), but they don’t get reviewed.
      I.e. the Revenue Act of 1926
      Firms that extract oil or gas are permitted to
      deduct 15% of sales (up to 25% for marginal
      wells depending on oil prices) to recover
      their capital investment in a mineral reserve.
      Estimated revenue loss, 1 billion yearly.

      Review, IMO would fix all the problems if politics were excluded.

      • Meteorlady

        There are no incentive or subsidies to oil companies. They are tax breaks in the tax code just like all other companies that operate here, except GE of course. Oil companies pay the most taxes of any other corporation operating in this country. While the news always tells you that they made X number of dollars profit they never tell what that profit is by percentage. It’s not much – maybe around 3 to 5%. Oil companies usually loose money on refining which is also not reported.

        • RichE

          Mar 1, 2012 – “Big Oil” profit margin: In 2011, “Big Oil” profit margin of 6.2% ranked 114 of 215. That performance puts “Big Oil” in the middle of industries.

          Your comment about profits isn’t germane to my argument and you missed my point entirely; non-political review and justification of tax-incentives would solve the problem.

      • eddie47d

        I agree that it is a tough business to be in and not always predictable but they do make money. Otherwise no one would be investing in the oil and gas business.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Oh those poor ole’ oil tycoons, drivin’ around in those big ole’ white Eldorado convertables, with the big bull horns on the hood and bovine spotted intriors! Smokin’ those big ole’ Cuban cigars and whinin’ up a storm! I can just hear Stevie Ray playin’ “It’s Floodin’ Down in Texas”, cry me a river Meteorlady, I mean they just got it so rough!!! I so feel fo ‘em as petro at the pump is now just under $4.00 a gal., national average!!!

        Behold true genius; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWLw7nozO_U

    • absolutely amazed

      You’re just a good old fashioned fascist, s c. You guys wanted the superPAC billionaires to fund the new-type of fascist Tea Party Republican Regressives into power, with unlimited financial resources ala Adelson, and now you start crying foul! What I truly wish for you is for you personally to not have health insurance and then go through the trials of paying for a critical, threatening illness without it. Go crying to your favorite superPAC to bail your personal keester out. But they might be based in another state, and that would be a violation of the Commerce Clause as you all define it. You are masters of circular logic, but then according to Einstein’s 2nd law of politics, if you strip naked and run around a tree at 185,644 miles per hour, you will end up screwing yourself, but it would be far easier to just vote Republican!

      • Butch

        Absolutely Idiotic, what you DON’T know would fill the Grand Canyon! You’ve made it abundantly clear that yr so stupid that you actually believe in the false “Right vs Left” paradigm. BOTH parties have been compromised and are screwing the people. That’s why things never change. Ron Paul is the ONLY honest candidate and would bring about change if he wasn’t being railed against by the bought and paid for LSM.

      • Bud Tugly

        Butch –

        How true… that’s why the back room boys will stifle Dr. Paul. He’s too big a threat to the behind the scenes players who manipulate BOTH parties to their whims. That’s why the GOP “leading” candidates are jokes. Romney – Hellooooo. Santorum – bonafide looney.

        Paul – rational intellect who really believes in the Constitution.

      • Doug

        No I am absolutely amazed at how wrong you are. So where is your mention of unions who pour billions of dollars into campaigns? Oh that’s okay along with stealing the money from hard working people and then using it to put their best criminals into office. You should really just crawl under a rock and STFU and make sure you take Flashy the farty with you so you two can blow each other!

      • moonbeam

        Bud Tugly –

        You may be correct about Sanitarium…err…Santorum. Something just ain’t right about that boy.

      • eddie47d

        Most people who belong to unions choose to do so Doug if not it’s by a majority vote. You know that right to vote. They pay dues and they know where their money goes and I doubt if it’s anywhere near a billion that goes into the PACs. So you are right about one thing that union members are hard working and we appreciate your concern.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Hey Doug, I think eddie wants to go with ‘em! Make it a circle jerk!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

      s c, let’s pray that the third time is a charm because I’ve already tried to send this post twice and both times when I hit the send button, “POOF!” lost in cyber-space!!! I’ve not been having a good mornin’ at all when it comes to the new technology! Grimlins!!! I hate ‘em!
      To start with, let’s give ole’ Chip/Harrold a break, your points were all well spoken but I thought he did a pretty fair job of hittin’ the ole’ proverbial nail dab-smack square on the head! Would Mitt, a man whose been KNOWN to be on either side of a major issue depending on which direction the political winds happen to be blowing at the time, make a better Commander and Chief than the one we’re stuck with now?! I know that alot of Ron Paul supporter frequent this site and I’m truly not trying to rub your noses in it, but, I respect Dr. Paul and agreed with him on almost 100% of his domestic policies, especially the FED! But when it came to foriegn policy, I thought he was a little naive, especially on the issue of Islam and Iran. I also know that in this age of idol erecting, that perception shouldn’t mean anything, but we all know that it means EVERYTHING!!! And Dr. Paul, to me, comes off more as a kooky old grandpa than as the leader of the Free World! Now his son Rand, now there’s another story! Him along with the likes of Jason Chaffetz and Mike Lee of Utah, Marco (I pray he don’t accept Mitt’s offer!) Rubio and Allen West (Who’d really like to take Debbie Wasserman Shultz out to the wood shed! Please forgive me for sounding sexist!) of FL, SD’s Kristi Noem and others are among a fine bumper crop of young conservative up and comers! Let’s pray God to send some more!!! With more fine young leaders such as these, I have hope!
      As a Born Again Christian, I CAN NOT support a man whose professed religion esposes such outlandish and racial beliefs as that of the church of LDS! It quite simply is a CULT!!! And I have to question the judgement of anyone of it’s followers! I’d vote for Barack over Mitt for the simple fact that he at least claims to be a REAL Christian! (Quite unlearned although!) Even though he’s most more than likely just practicing “Taqiyya”! I truly do not believe that Mitt can beat Barack, and if that were to be the case, we’d better pray that enough conservative candidates get elected into the House and Senate as to offset anything that Obummer might try to sneak through! I believe that this is going to prove to be one of the most interesting election years in recent memory, Let’s pray that whomever wins that it will be God’s will!!!
      Keep your eyes pn the skies, JESUS IS COMING! He loves y’all and so do I!!!

      • Grandma241

        I just wanted to point pout something that you apparently missed!!! Jesus LOVES Mitt Romney also & so do I !!!!

      • http://none Richard Pawley

        Tom, I agree with you about the new crop of conservatives. There is still some hope for the country with them though they may not have much to work with by the time they are able to do anything. As to your question of “Would Mitt….make a better Commander and Chief than the one we’re stuck with now?!” Absolutely! Our current president is anti-Biblical. He is opposed to Catholics, Baptists, Evangelicals, Jews, people of the Book. He was the only senator in Illinois to vote to take away the life of babies actually born during a botched abortion. He is totally in favor of abortion in any form and very much in favor or reducing the United States to the level of an average has-been nation. The fact that he calls himself a Christian means little to me.

        I’m sure you know that Jesus said we would be judged on our actions not our words and I believe there is a high probability the Obama will go down in history as the one who took the United States down several notches. Unfortunately he had a slew of Democratic senators to help him and without them he could not have done what he has done already. In the short time he has been in office he has increased the national debt by as much as it was from George Washington to George Bush, Sr. and we will pay for this with big time inflation in food and fuel and everything else in the next few years. Already we are spending THREE THOUSAND MILLION DOLLARS per day in just interest on the national debt and we have to borrow or print that to pay it. These may not be the last days but I suspect it is going to seem like it.

        As a Christian I could not vote for our president because of his actions. He might make a decent neighbor, but I don’t want someone who feels it is alright to kill a baby who was born unwanted or defective in some way. That is totally un-Christian and I surely don’t want him using my tax money to achieve his goal in this regard. Neither do millions of others. Obama, of course, is a product of his upbringing, born to a non-religious family, raised by pro-communists and Muslims, so he thinks like them. That is understandable.

        I have read the large Kingdom of the Cults years ago so I know some of the unbiblical teachings of some of the largest cults in the United States. Romney was born into the Mormon Church, and while we certainly don’t agree with them on some of their teachings, I don’t hold that against him. I would never join the LDS Church but that doesn’t mean they are bad people, merely misinformed on some things. What counts is how he lives his life. Does he love his wife? Is he a moral person? Does he love his children? Did he raise them to love God? Does he obey the commandments? I have heard no rumors or stories, even false ones, about Romney. I can’t say the same about our president.

        I can’t tell you how to vote but as a Christian I could never vote for the president based on his actions. We are in for some serious hard times ahead, big time inflation and problems we seem to refuse to face. From a spiritual standpoint, although I certainly do not subscribe to some Mormon beliefs, they do seem to live moral lives. I have read of Mormons who became Christians like those in the Book of Acts, just past the gospel, and got thrown out of their church, but I recall a Methodist minister telling me that when he came to experience the Lord as the those in the Book of Acts he was asked to leave his church. I also had a Catholic priest tell me once that he experienced what some call the Baptist of the Holy Spirit or the fullness of the Spirit (see Acts 2) but he told me that his was back during WWII and he said, “You didn’t tell anyone back then.” It is a shame that the Mormons don’t accept this teaching in Acts but it is their loss, and it won’t keep them out of heaven if they love the Lord.

        I recall that the Jews considered the Samaritans to be inferior and wouldn’t even speak to them but that is not what Jesus did. Do we consider ourselves superior to the Mormons because of some of their false teachings or do we try to show them that Jesus is bigger than any church or denomination or group? Jesus said, “No one who turns to me will I ever turn away!” Since I can’t judge Romney’s heart I will have to go by his actions, not the church or temple he attends. If he can’t beat Obama why are Democrats afraid of him?
        He is a bit to middle of the road but that is certainly better than an unchangeable pro-Marxist ideologue. Someone does need to clue Romney in that moderate Republicans don’t win but if the Iranian backed Hezbollah who are reported to be in over 100 American cities do attack I suspect Obama will just wring his hands but Romney will do something that may well surprise you.

        In any event I do agree with you that all believers need to pray that whomever wins the Presidency and more importantly the Senate is according to God’s will. Otherwise you are not going to like the USA of the next few years. May God help us!

      • DaveH

        I think, Tom W., that you are a little naive when it comes to the nature of Islam and Iran.
        We are taught that they are fanatical killers but then who is over there killing whom?
        And then there are these meddling realities:
        http://www.iranchamber.com/history/coup53/coup53p1.php

        What do you expect from people who are being meddled with?
        Ron’s foreign agenda is vastly more sensible than the concept of killing for peace.

    • John L. Johnston, Jr.

      There is not a single republican running for president who even comes up to President Obama’s shoe laces. I very tired of all this retoric about the President. Grow up!

      • Dennis48e

        For sure. The Republican candidates especialy Ron Paul are miles above obama’s shoe laces.

      • http://none Firefly

        And the moon is really made of green cheese too. REALLY!

      • DaveH

        Does he need his teleprompter to tie his shoelaces?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001415648643 Theresa Lepiane

      None of this will matter in a few years. Before the next four years are up China will own us. Obama already gave the country away. Just like so many of our houses are in foreclosure, the country is in foreclosure to China. Nothing a president can do will change that. Gingrich might have had a shot at it, but no one else comes close and another democrat will continue to give away America. It started with Jimmy Carter and the Panama Canal, then Clinton and the free trade agreement. Remember and weep. Forget Spanish. You might want to learn Chinese.

  • Flashy

    Yeah…ain’t it great that elections these days are managed, run, and decided by a few billionaires? Thank the gawds above for Citizens United ! I don’t know how we’d manage without elections being decided by just a few who held gadzillions in their portfolios.

    Notice how the recent transportation bill got hung up because the radical right didn’t want to spend money on our infrastructure. So it’s extended 90 days. nice long term, far sighted planning there eh?

    And the tax breaks in the billions for the oil companies making hundreds of billions in profits? Yikes! how dare we deny them their tax breaks and subsidies ! Horrors ! Let’s fight tooth and nail to ensure the workers and Middle Class continue to be taxed to pay for the Welfare for the Rich and continue the redistribution of wealth ongoing since 1981.

    Dang tootin’ right !

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Flashy oil companies give 9 million jobs in this country at a profit of arounf 7 cents a gallon. Obummer taxes anywhere from 50 cents to 1.50 per gallon of gasoline the already taxed tax payers buy. The same subsidies are giving to Apple for the Mack you are on right now or the iPhone or tablet you will use on your commute to work. Apple makes tons odf profits, should we take away their incentives too? Your just pissed because you are not and dont make this same type of icome becuase you are comfortible with the entitlements you get and just want more if you can get it. Liberals?

      • Deerinwater

        I’m not aware of any “entitlements” Flashy has Brad. How do you know such things?

        And liberal is not a bad word, or is conservative.

      • Flashy

        Brad…I’m glad oil companies have 9 million employed and make a profit. I have no problem with that.

        Now…if they make a profit, why should they receive a subsidy out of our pockets when they also make a profit from our pockets?

        I also should ask…the 7 cents profit you mention. Is that gross, gross net, pre tax or post tax? Does it include subsidy company income ? with or without depletion and depreciation calculated in?

        Does Apple receive a subsidy? (I don’t know)

        We give billions to Big Oil…and have no clue the actual profits made other than the watered down amount in what they tell us is a significant amount.

        We are addicted to oil, an energy technology 100 years old. It is costing us in military dollars, foreign aid dollars, and direct /indirect subsidy dollars.

        Y’all cry and scream when monies to alternative energy research is spent… and yet you have no problem with subsidizing one of the largest and most profitable industries?

        And say….how about the move amongst the radical right to cut out the Import/Export bank ! nice eh/ let’s cut a profit center as well as cut off financing for exports !!!

      • Flashy

        deer…they make stuff up. It makes them feel good to live in a fictional world as they pretend they are patriots while working to bring this nation down..

      • Falcon

        What bill did Obama sign to institute the $.50 to $1.50 a gallon tax you accuse him of?

      • Jim in NY

        You mean we did not pay gasoline taxes before Obama took office? And you mean the tax paid goes directly to Obama?

      • T i m

        People DO NOT FORGET , government subsidies …..are still tax deductible ….Tax payer still pays it . Even when congress stops the subsidies , the tax payer still pays it . All the money spent on the elections is still tax deductible to the name on the form . All those millionare / billionare s get most of their money back …………….my name is T i m

      • Thomas

        Reply to T i m:

        Actually Tim, I don’t think political contributions are tax deductable. Only “Chartible” contributions are tax deductable. I’m pretty sure of this first hand; because I myself donated the maximum allowable individual contriubtion of $2500 to Ron Paul’s campaign, and my accountant says that it is NOT tax deductable. Let me ask you, how much of your hard-earned after-tax income have you ponied up in support for a REAL CONSERVATIVE ? I respect your criticism; but please comment on what YOU are actualy DOING to restore constitutionalism in this country ?

      • eddie47d

        Brad is trying to be sly about the gas tax. The Federal Gas Tax is only .18 and has been for many years . Obama has not raised it and the other taxes are controlled by the states.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        Flashy knows of what he speaks, been living in that pretend world for a long time now – at least that’s he’s what he has demonstrated here on PL —-

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Woo Brad, you got ‘em all out of the woodwork man!!! Hey Thomas, easy on T i m! He’s on our side,… I think!

      • Dennis48e

        “deer…they make stuff up. ”

        flashy the stuff you make up would fill an encyclopedia so they are way behind in that regard.

    • Sprock

      It just proves over and over that the Republicans / conservatives don’t give a crap about the middle and lower classes. Every nickel of tax relief to the wealthy has to be made up by the middle and lower class, you know the peole who supposedly don’t pay any federal income tax. When are the middle and lower classes going to wake up and use their voting power to shift the balance of power?

      • George E

        Sprock,

        If you had said “It just proves…’politicians’ (instead of Republicans/conservatives) don’t give a crap about the middle and lower classes….”, I might have to agree. Don’t kid yourself that it’s only Republicans and conservatives that act foolishly. Democrats and liberals have, and continue to do their part to hurt everyone as well. I submit to you that both parties have been for deficit spending which is one of the root causes of our inflation problem which drives higher gasoline and food prices, among other things. As you probably know, inflation hurts those in lower economic groups more than upper economic groups. Democrats have also gone overboard in regulating businesses (like the EPA has done to essentially drive East coast refiners out of business) and preventing exploration and production from public lands. The jobs and tax revenue lost due to these things is huge, not to mention the additional upward pressure on commodity prices that results. The list of things BOTH parties have done to hurt the middle and lower economic groups is long. (It’s just my opinion, but I believe Democrats and liberals are hurting the economy, and therefore, all economic groups more than Republicans and conservatives are at this time.)

        By the way, the real money that corrupts politicians is not the political contributions (from wealthy or other individuals), but rather the “taxes” and “credit” we (citizens) give our politicians. If we had a tighter rein on how much of our money they could collect and spend, there would be little need for anyone to lobby them for government “hand-outs”. And, if we didn’t expect government to solve every problem for us, including our financial problems, politicians wouldn’t be able to convince us to give them so much of “our” (generally meaning, our neighbor’s) money and credit. So, the root cause for much of the corruption we have in government comes back to our own doorsteps, I think.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Sprock!!! You’ve become a cling-on! LOL!!! Come on Deer, ya know ya laughed!!! Just gettin’ warmed up 4 2morrow!!! First thing Ben, and then 2morrow nite at 6PM EDST, my beloved University of Louisville Fighting Cardnals are going to turn New Orleans into Lou Orleans when they send those U of K kitty-cats shame faced home to throughbred country with their little bobbed tale tucked between their legs! GO CARDS!!! Has anyone heard from that a$$hole Maverick?!! Whadaya think about those CARDS now son?!!

      • Dennis48e

        “University of Louisville Fighting Cardnals are going to turn New Orleans into Lou Orleans when they send those U of K kitty-cats shame faced home”

        Hope you are right Tom.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001415648643 Theresa Lepiane

        When we are all lower class it won’t matter…the rich folks will move to China. Oh wait, they already have.

    • Dave

      It is unfortunate that the left continues to get away with stating that the oil companies are getting subsidies. It simply isn’t true. The write-offs that they claim are the business expenses that they spend in order to do business. Every company in America gets exactly the same tax deductions! Calling them subsidies makes most people think that the government is writing them a check or some special discount. To change their tax deductions Congress would have to either single out the industry for a special penalty, or stop the deduction for all corporations…which would result in the largest depression ever seen.

      • eddie47d

        Are you sure about that Dave? The Denver Post today said that the oil companies will keep there $4 billion in subsidies. Must have been a deliberate misprint by some leftist.

      • Flashy

        Here’s a partial list of favorable tax treatment for Oil and the cost above what other business would pay. Shortened depreciation, favorable allowed expenses, and allowing double deduction and/or depreciation. Source: Enviromental Law Institute

        Foreign Tax Credit ($15,300) – IRC Section 901.
        Credit for Production of Nonconventional Fuels ($14,097)- IRC Section 45K.
        Oil and Gas Exploration & Development Expensing ($7,100)- IRC Section 617. Intangible Drilling
        Costs (IDC)
        Oil and Gas Excess Percentage over Cost Depletion ($5,441)- IRC Section 613.
        Credit for Enhanced Oil Recovery Costs ($1,575) – IRC Section 43.
        Characterizing Coal Royalty Payments as Capital Gains ($986) – IRC Section 631(c). Exclusion of Alternative Fuels from Fuel Excise Tax ($343) – IRC Section 6426(d).
        Other-Fuel Exploration & Development Expensing ($342) – IRC Section 617.
        Other-Fuel Excess of Percentage over Cost Depletion ($323)- IRC Section 613. Deduction for Clean Fuel Vehicles and Refueling Property-Fossil Fuels ($209) – IRC Section 179A.
        Exception from Passive Loss Limitations for Oil and Gas ($190) – IRC Section 469(c)(3).
        Expensing Liquid Fuel Refineries ($164) – IRC Section 179C.
        Amortization of Oil and Gas Geological and Geophysical Costs (-$145) – IRC Section 167(h).
        Foreign Tax Credit & Reduced Government Take from Federal Oil and Gas Leasing
        Foreign Tax Credit ($15,300)

      • DaveH

        I’m not even going to investigate whether Flashman’s comment is fabricated or even meaningful. Since he has long established himself as having no credibility, it wouldn’t be worth my time. Rather, I can simply ask Flashman one question.
        So, Flashman, are you saying you are against Government subsidizing private industry?
        If so, good for you, they shouldn’t be. We should get Government out of the Marketplace and let the American people decide which companies survive and which fail with their consumer dollars.
        However, I suspect that is not what Flashman is saying at all. What Flashman wants, being the Administration shill that he is, is most likely to spend our money the way he wants to, not the way we want to spend our own money.

      • Flashy

        Figures you’d cop out when you know the facts are facts. You always do. Or…another favorite tactic of yours is take opinion and ask for cites. Quickly followed by a cite to mises (perhaps because you can’t think independent from being told what to think and say? A shill perhaps?)

        DaveH…I am not against government financial assistance in cases where it will benefit society and our nation. .

        I am for targeted assistance to jump start industry and businesses researching for the new technologies which will bring us into the mid 21st century standing strong, and not backwards as most here would prefer.

        I am for assistance when the private financial sector bails out (i.e. GM and Chrylser) when it is for industries which form the backbone of our industrial might and which show potential for working out of the financial straits.

        I am for assistance for R&D into new technologies and the cutting edge of science.

        I am for government assistance for services and industry which are vital to this nation’s well being and continuance, but cannot be market profitable because of the need to provide for all, not just cherry pick (Amtrak, Post Office, mass transit, infrastructure repair and building etc)

        I am not for government assistance to corporations which have a oligarchical control over a business sector, show a healthy profit, and the industry sector is a needed component of our society. i.e. Electricity, oil, coal, etc. There, i am for regulatory oversight and market control factors (not market control…factors controlling the market. Preventing another Enron rape)

        In other words, I’m for a vibrant civilized society moving ahead…not a stagnant society regressing to control by few over the many. A regression which espouse day after day …

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “I am for targeted assistance to jump start industry and businesses researching for the new technologies which will bring us into the mid 21st century standing strong, and not backwards as most here would prefer”.
        Whose target? The Progressives’ target, of course, like Solyndra, Evergreen Solar, and Spectrawatt.
        Notice, by the way, how Flashman stains his comment with the attempted manipulative phrase — “which will bring us into the mid 21st century standing strong, and not backwards as most here would prefer”. Typical Progressive tactic.
        If consumers wanted to pay the higher prices for alternative energies, they would, voluntarily, in Free Markets. Government only steps in when the pursuits aren’t viable and need the support of unwilling donors so the Leaders can buy more help from their favored Crony Capitalists.
        Flashman and his progressive buds love to spend YOUR money THEIR way.

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “I am for assistance when the private financial sector bails out (i.e. GM and Chrylser) when it is for industries which form the backbone of our industrial might and which show potential for working out of the financial straits”.
        Then donate your own money, Flashman. Keep your hands out of our pockets.
        If the industry did indeed form the “backbone of our industrial might”, one would think that they could make their own profits, wouldn’t one?
        What Flashman really means is that we should support the Union Members who brought GM and Chrysler to their knees, so the Union Members can continue making more than they’re worth on the backs of the tax payers. How else can the Democrats buy more votes?

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “I am for government assistance for services and industry which are vital to this nation’s well being and continuance, but cannot be market profitable because of the need to provide for all, not just cherry pick (Amtrak, Post Office, mass transit, infrastructure repair and building etc)”.
        They’re vital to “this nation’s well being and continuance”, but they can’t make enough money from willing customers to survive? That’s odd. I always thought people paid willingly for services that they needed, out of their own pockets?
        For every useless company the Government supports, that money could instead have been spent by private consumers on the services that they DO desire, thus providing solid, productive goods and services that don’t need arbitrary aid by Progressives spending Other Peoples’ Money.
        Governments everywhere give their citizens the same lip-service about why the citizens need them, yet we have this reality of the countries with the Biggest Governments who also have the worst economies:
        http://heritage.org/index/ranking

        Economies grow inversely to the size of Government.
        As Government Grows, Corruption Flows.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        What kind of subsidies do oil companies get, and why?

        “Don’t punish us for doing our job well,” said Chevron CEO John Watson, defending the tax breaks the companies get.

        “The vast majority of it is tax breaks. Tax code items, some have been around for almost 100 years,” said Bob Kleiber, a finance instructor at Metro State University, who’s studied oil company subsidies.

        The biggest break is fairly recent. In 2004, Congress passed Section 199 of the IRS Tax Code, a Domestic Manufacturing Deduction.

        “Any manufacturer gets 9 percent deduction on profits,” said Kleiber. “Oil companies are only given 6 percent,” he said, but that amounts to about $1.8 billion a year.

        According to Kleiber, the second biggest money-saver for oil companies is the fact they’re allowed to write-off the costs of drilling oil wells. Oil companies that explore, drill and refine can write-off 70 of their exploration costs, which work out to about $1.2 billion a year.

        Kleiber said that deduction’s been around since 1913, when the government needed to motivate companies to drill.

        The agriculture sector gets $16 billion a year in direct subsidy payments, according to the USDA. Corn farmers specifically get $4 billion.

        “We’re asking for the same treatment, comparable treatment to other industries, Senator,” said Watson.

      • DaveH

        Flashman says “Figures you’d cop out when you know the facts are facts”.
        What facts, Flashman. All I see are a bunch of buzz words and figures that came from where?
        That’s why I ask you to provide sources, Flashman, because your figures don’t make any sense unless we know who they apply to, and you provide sources so we can know the context of your figures.
        You are just doing what dishonest people do — throwing out a bunch of high-sounding phrases and figures that are meaningless but might convince ignorant people that you know what you’re talking about.
        In other words, you’re doing a snow job, Flashman.
        You’re going to have to do better than that, Flashman, since you have no credibility on this board.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Flushy, blah, blah, blah blah blah… That’s it, Flushy just put me to sleep. Good night everybody!

    • DaveH

      Flashman says — “Notice how the recent transportation bill got hung up because the radical right didn’t want to spend money on our infrastructure”.
      There’s a simple solution, Flashman. You and your fellow Progressives can send your own money in. The Feds would be happy to spend it for you.
      Does Flashman really care about the Rich helping out their favorite candidates? Of course not. If he did he would give equal rant to the super-rich who are helping Obama and crowd. Flashman is just a shill for the administration.
      Take GE, for instance, who paid no Income Taxes in 2010, and whose Chairman, Jeffrey Immelt, has been appointed by Obama to be Chairman of the Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.
      You’re wasting your time here with your equivocations about Oil Subsidies, Flashman. Everybody here knows that the subsidies for the Alternative Energy industry vastly dwarf those for Big Oil. Wait, isn’t GE involved in the Alternative Energy industry?
      As far as the middle class being taxed to pay, there is this small fly in the ointment (From the US Treasury):
      http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/341.html

      Can you try telling the truth just once, Flashman?

      • Flashy

        DaveH…glad to see you’re back. Jeff H should be here soon. Been boring not having Mizes cited every other post.

        If you can locate any post where I favored any Big Contributor I’d like to see it. In fact, i believe i have stated more than once in light of CU, I would have full and immediate disclosure of the donations to Candidates and SuperPacs (within 48 hours) and immediate heavy fines for lies.

        As to your contention that Alternative fuel subsidies are far more than those for Big Oil … walk the talk bub. Figures and sources….where are they?

      • DaveH

        http://www.eia.gov/oiaf/servicerpt/subsidy2/pdf/execsum.pdf

        Notice that the above is from the Government.
        From above article — “Coal-based synfuels (refined coal) that are eligible
        for the alternative fuels tax credit, solar power, and wind power receive, by far, the
        highest subsidies per unit of generation, ranging from more than $23 to nearly $30 per
        megawatthour of generation (Table ES5)”.

      • DaveH

        So, Flashman, are you saying you’d like to get Government out of the Marketplace so that they can’t reward their favorite Crony Capitalists with regulations, subsidies, quotas, tariffs, and other devices to protect them from competition?

        For those who want to know just how extensive the favoritism is, read this book:
        http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Ripoff-Business-Government/dp/0471789070

      • Flashy

        “highest subsidies per unit of generation’…

        And you expect anything less when moving into new fields of technology? DaveH…nice try…but ‘per unit of generation’ is a deliberate intent to mislead.

      • DaveH

        So you’re saying the Government is trying to mislead us, Flashman?

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        flashy, thanks for the mention. Nice to know I’m on your mind.
        By the way, you do sound a bit defensive by saying that.

    • Angel

      They get tax breaks just like every other company in America. No one gives them money.
      Obama likes to use the word subsidies subsidiesplural of sub·si·dy (Noun)
      Noun:
      A sum of money granted by the government or a public body to assist an industry or business so that the price of a commodity or service…
      A sum of money granted to support an arts organization or other undertaking held to be in the public interest.
      But it is not subsidies, it is propaganda.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002745216268 Joel Copeland

    The only Republican who trotted out to the spotlight that I have any agreement with is Ron Paul. He’s got my vote, even if it’s a write-in this election.

    • Vincent

      I too, agree with Joel that the only REAL candidate is Ron Paul.

      End the Fed and get Americans their own money from their own country!

      • stillsane

        Ron Paul is a fraud political hack. A traitor to America with his head up his butt regarding international politics. He is as dangerous and Progressive as Obummer. How come Mr. Constitution has managed to violate Article 1 Section 8 consistently over his 25 year lackluster career? He sticks earmarks in bills, then when he knows they will pass, votes no. Then he has the temerity to lie and say I never voted for an earmark. He is #4 in bringing home the pork. How do you think this crackpot kept getting reelected? Also in all the time in Congress, he has had one minor bill passed. I would say that shows he has the leadership ability of a slug. Just another RINO.

      • Bruce D.

        Stillsane. the problem with earmarks is that people from Texas pay their taxes and if most of the their money goes to liberal states that only empowers liberals more. The only way earmarks can be fair if the money is redistributed equally back to the States apportioned to their population. It is better to get rid of earnmarks. I am sure that would be Ron Paul’s choice.

      • GALT

        Ron Paul’s choice was to get elected and then get re-elected…..he is a republican because he can not get elected as a libertarian, and he submits ear marks for the same purpose…..he does not vote for them, because their passage is assured. He has essentially been a waste of time……his unconstitutional rhetoric is as convenient as anybody else’s, and he has yet to explain how any of this came about or what he could possibly do to fix it…….he might manage to grind everything to a halt, but his threat to the military industrial complex will preclude him from from ever getting the chance. The only thing left to determine is whether he will keep his word and not take the pension he would receive for his service in the house.

      • Butch

        The only fraud here is stillinsane. Your head is lodged so firmly up yr @$$ that you actually think America’s foreign policy works!! LMAO How does buying yr enemies help America at all??? Al CIAida, the Palestinians, Iraq, Afghanistan, Russia, China and Pakistan ALL get or got money from the US. WHY??? How does interfering in other countries and propping up dictators help America?? Ron Paul is against earmarks, yes BUT he DOES use them because he HAS to get anything done. Any money that is not used goes back to the wasteful executive branch to be pissed away on crap that the American people do NOT need, which is what yr idiotic @$$ would prefer. Having one bill passed while Congress should be a badge of honor when Congress has flooded the lawbooks with stupid, interfering, wasteful and unConstitutional laws. You need to look up what a RINO is, THEN maybe you’ll actually be qualified to have an informed opinion but thats doubtful. You’re easily one of the most gullible ignorant people on this forum.

    • Camanodick

      Ron Paul has some, actually many, great ideas but he is like a beautiful 100 foot long yacht that has a 3 foot hole in the bottom of it because of his foreign policy. And, since he is my age, I think he should retire and enjoy the sun and whatever he does for relaxation. I apologize for my generation, we are the dopes that allowed such crap as 30 years in the Congress and Senate and the liars it has changed some fine people into. Please remember that Obama is taking the 5th amendment for his personal papers and the Republicans better make that a prominent ad subject. Would any where hear as many independents have voted for Obama is they knew the contents of his “Sealed Papers”? Too bad Hannity and O’Reilly don’t ask the Democrat spokespersons that simple question when they get their ire up about Professor Bell or Bill Ayres.

      • Bruce D.

        I grew up in the 60s and always blamed my generation for the downfall of America. Your generation I guess can be blamed for not educating us to Machiavellian and Saul Alinsky type philosophies that have undermined our country. Hell I never even saw a Constitution until I was 42. On the other hand I am sure your parents didn’t have any idea what was happening either. Everything was taken for granted. Our freedom has really been under constant assault since 1913. Right now blame really isn’t going to help anything. At the very least we should hold our head high and go down fighting. There is nothing worst than being a pathetic victim of some pathetic left wing socialist.

      • Thomas

        And What SPECIFICALLY about Ron Paul’s “foreign policy” do you object to ?

      • DaveH

        So, Dick, you are saying that you advocate the United States forcibly intervening in other countries’ politics? As opposed to trading peacefully with them?
        Please read these books. First this one:
        http://mises.org/books/Rothbard_What_Has_Government_Done.pdf

      • DaveH

        Then this one:
        http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf

        And wake up to reality.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

        Ron Paul’s foreign policy is SOUND

        We can’t afford the empire anymore….duh? WAKE UP

      • Butch

        Can you please explain how interfering in other nation’s affairs or propping up dictators HELPS America? Do you why Iran is our enemy? Do you know why we’re broke? You must be insane to think that US foreign policy is anything but an abysmal failure. Would you like Chinese military installations across America? Why not? Why is it only good when the US does it? This stupid mentality of policing the world is a FAILURE. Not only can we not afford it, its unethical and only brings blowback on our country. Our enemies don’t hate us because “we’re free”. What stupidity. They hate us because we constantly interfere and impose our will when its absolutely unwanted.

  • Witsend

    When I am tempted to decry the huge amounts of money spent in campaigns, I remind myself that that money provides jobs. The money goes to, for example, ads. Those ads are written by some ad agency (a lot of jobs involved). The employees at that ad agency spend that money on luncheons (employment for chefs, waitstaff, pot scrubbers,…). Campaigns involve lots of travel which includes auto maintenance, hotel visits, eating on the road,… Each of those categories involve an entire list of employees – maids, launderers, custodians, mechanics,…

    • T i m

      PLEASE , please remember , all the jobs you are talking about IS TAX DEDUCTIBLE to the name on the form …..Those jobs are not sustainable . They will be gone with in 1 0 days , start to finish . I too am grateful those people have work . The tax payer still pays it …….According to who you want to listen to , Obama flew all over the world during last campaign , ALL TAX DEDUCTIBLE . B T W , WHY IS AMERICA COUNTING VOTES FROM 7 other provinces ….OUTSIDE THE CONTINENTAL U S A . …Obama was critcised for talking about AMERICA’ s 5 7 states , last election , . NOW , today , all politicians are embracing any single vote , NO MATTER WHERE FROM . Where is the hypocrasy in that . I WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT RON PAUL .

      • Witsend

        I agree the jobs are temporary. Nonetheless, they do put money into circulation for awhile. That money is not all “tax deductible.” Like it or not, those with the “temporary jobs” will be paying taxes. Thus the government does come out with some tax money for those campaign expenditures.

      • http://PersonalLibertydigest Patricia

        Tim, just remember when you write in Ron Paul you are electing Obama for a second term. When that happens don’t try to blame Republicans for your mistake.

      • Butch

        No, Patricia, it’ll be YOUR fault for supporting ANOTHER fraud in Romney instead of a true Constitutionally correct candidate in Ron Paul. Hes also the only candidate that served in the military. Also that BS that hes “unelectable” is a lie perpetuated by the LSM. Why is he the ONLY one still holding office? Romney, Santorum and Gingrich are ALL former governors, senators or speakers. If Obumma is re-elected, I’m at peace w/ that. The GOP has defrauded Ron Paul repeatedly with the assistance of the LSM so the GOP, as it is, deserves to die. I’m a conservative, NOT a Republican. The GOP has lost sight of what its TRUE values are and now is only interested in perpetuating the false “Right vs Left” paradigm. BOTH parties have been compromised and screwed the people. Anyone who doesn’t see that is part of the problem. If Ron Paul gets a fair shake at the convention, he can win, he has delegates. If he doesn’t win, I’ll write him in. No more voting for frauds or the lesser of two evils. We FINALLY have an honest man who honestly wants to fix the country instead of continuing to let the Federal Reserve rob it.

      • DaveH

        There is a choice if Ron Paul doesn’t run as a third party candidate:
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

    • Mark in LA

      So if an oil company decides to open one of their offshore wells, it’s a good thing, because of all the temporary workers who have to come in for the clean-up?

      • DaveH

        It would be a lot better if we just let the Progressives control all our choices.
        Yeah, right.

  • Insurgent

    Politicians are like whores————-they go where the money is.
    But the US does not need whore houses; the government screws us daily!!!!

  • Power To The People

    The issue is not one of party, it is one of money and who is behind the money. There are a lot of old sayings such as ” the guy with the money calls the shots”. It is true in our elections every time. The ruling class calls the shots….that should be clear by now.

    We are pawns in a game of chess played by big money and big influence.

    • stillsane

      I despise McCain for the superpacs he has unleashed on us. Also Justice Roberts needs his head examined for his decision in Citizens United. This is what has allowed Etch A Sketch to destroy the real patriot with a record of getting things done, Newt Gingrich. His smear campaign of outright lies, doctored videos, selective sound bites taken out of context destroyed Newt. If not for that Etch A Sketch would’ve been just a bad memory by now and Newt would have secured the nomination. He tried to run a clean campaign, but Etch A Sketch wouldn’t allow that, also the other RINO whackjob Paul. Let it go to the Convention as I do not want Romney nor that crook Santorum. Maybe someone like Paul Ryan or some other patriotic Conservative can come out of the mix if not Newt.

      • Newt Fan

        Agree with you about Newt being the best candidate.

        Americans are too preoccupied with their lives to realize it.

      • T i m

        You are ssoo wrong . Mr. Gingrich caused lots of the problems AMERICA has today , while speaker , Mr. Reagan signed it . The BUSH family has endorsed Mr. Romney , because they want to keep the world bank in place . The BUSH family has serious personality conflict , with the Gingrich family . Mr. Romney will probably re instate the contract with the Federal reserve , to continue our crooked monetary system . WHO EVER the president is , must create a new monetary system , because our current contract with Federal serve Corporation expires , end of next year , NO MATTER WHO IS PRESIDENT . I will continue to support R O N P A U L ………

      • Bruce D.

        Newt was his own worst enemy. He lets his emotions run his life. Revenge became more important to him than winning the presidency or a vision for the country. People saw through that. The people really didn’t support him with campaign contributions or their votes. He basically had the backing of one millionaire. When that money dried up his campaign dried up. Right now I think he is still in the race because he likes to hear himself talk. I think it makes him feel good that he is considered the man who put the liberal media in their place during the debate. That certainly was a great moment for him and no one can ever take that away. We have all been waiting a long time to see the liberal media put down like a lame horse. As for Rick Santorum no one would even know who he is if it were not for the Evangelical vote. He just isn’t that well liked. People would rather vote for Newt who is really not in the race anymore than to support Santorum. Conservatives have the numbers to win elections but they did not find Newt or Santorum enough to their liking to rally around one of them. I think people could have and would have rallied around Herman Cain. He is likable and a businessman which this country desperately needs right now. But he shot himself in the foot too.

      • Mark in LA

        neversane thinks Newt would have won the election. Newt would have been trounced even more than Romney will be. Nobody but diehard Republicans will vote for Newt or Romney. Only Ron Paul can steal Democratic party voters tired of Obama. You will find this out in November.

      • Bruce D.

        Mark in LA: Ron Paul alienates two larges sections of the Republican Party. The religious right and those who believe Iran should not get a nuclear bomb at any cost. On the left Paul is a threat to those who want to expand social programs and is the lefts ticket to victories. Those are three pretty big sections of society to alienate. Actually Paul alienates about 90% of the population. Just how is it that you expect him to win anything. Paul offers the concept of freedom in exchange but despite the rules and regulations we have in this country most Americans still believe they are free. Libertarians need to do two things. Find a way to take back the school system to provide a proper Constitutional education for the next generation and be more realistic about nuclear proliferation. Blame America first as a foreign policy is not going cut it there. Until Libertarians understand that they will always be 10% of the population. If the Libertarian Party was a populace movement the Tea Party would have joined it.

      • DaveH

        So, Stillsane, you vote the way the elites tell you to vote? Or do you educate yourself and ignore their advice?

      • DaveH

        On rare occasion, I think Mark is right on. This is one of those times.
        Bruce D says — “Ron Paul alienates two larges sections of the Republican Party. The religious right and those who believe Iran should not get a nuclear bomb at any cost”.
        Maybe, but when he’s right, he’s right. It has always befuddled me that certain Religious people, who supposedly believe in the Bible and the Ten Commandments, can so easily turn a blind eye to killing people who have in no way attacked the United States. For those types, as with so many people (especially Liberals) the ends justify the means — (expletive deleted) morality.
        Bruce D says — “On the left Paul is a threat to those who want to expand social programs and is the lefts ticket to victories”.
        Don’t discount all Democrats so easily, Bruce. Many that I’ve talked to just don’t like the Republicans telling them they can’t participate in activities that harm only voluntary participants. And many don’t like the hypocrisy of the Republican War on Drugs which involves killing people to save them from the ill-effects of Drugs.
        Bruce D says — “Actually Paul alienates about 90% of the population”. That’s odd, considering this:
        http://www.topix.com/issue/fox/gop-debate-aug11
        Bruce D says — “Blame America first as a foreign policy is not going cut it there”.
        So we should blame other countries for our Imperialistic endeavors? You don’t want Libertarians to be honest, Bruce?
        The only reason Libertarianism hasn’t caught on, Bruce, is because the Big Government propagandists have been doing their best to keep the ignorant citizens from understanding the Libertarian platform. But it is catching on, more every day. And when our country finally collapses due to the left-wingers who blindly support the Welfare State, and the right-wingers who blindly support the Police State, people will wish they had awakened earlier:
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

      • DaveH

        Okay, I got bit by the two-link no no. PL, please delete the moderated comment.
        On rare occasion, I think Mark is right on. This is one of those times.
        Bruce D says — “Ron Paul alienates two larges sections of the Republican Party. The religious right and those who believe Iran should not get a nuclear bomb at any cost”.
        Maybe, but when he’s right, he’s right. It has always befuddled me that certain Religious people, who supposedly believe in the Bible and the Ten Commandments, can so easily turn a blind eye to killing people who have in no way attacked the United States. For those types, as with so many people (especially Liberals) the ends justify the means — damn morality.
        Bruce D says — “On the left Paul is a threat to those who want to expand social programs and is the lefts ticket to victories”.
        Don’t discount all Democrats so easily, Bruce. Many that I’ve talked to just don’t like the Republicans telling them they can’t participate in activities that harm only voluntary participants. And many don’t like the hypocrisy of the Republican War on Drugs which involves killing people to save them from the ill-effects of Drugs.
        Bruce D says — “Actually Paul alienates about 90% of the population”. That’s odd, considering this:
        http://www.topix.com/issue/fox/gop-debate-aug11

      • DaveH

        Bruce D says — “Blame America first as a foreign policy is not going cut it there”.
        So we should blame other countries for our Imperialistic endeavors? You don’t want Libertarians to be honest, Bruce?
        The only reason Libertarianism hasn’t caught on, Bruce, is because the Big Government propagandists have been doing their best to keep the ignorant citizens from understanding the Libertarian platform. But it is catching on, more every day. And when our country finally collapses due to the left-wingers who blindly support the Welfare State, and the right-wingers who blindly support the Police State, people will wish they had awakened earlier:
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

    • Bruce D.

      Dave H.- You can believe what you want and nothing I say will change that but your numbers do not add up. TV polls are extremely inaccurate and mostly reflect the passion of a particular candidate or issue who call in. Polls are most accurate when taken randomly out of a telephone book of those over 18 years of age. Polls become even more accurate when taken of people who are likely to vote. In this type of pole it rarely matters whether you sample 400 people or 4000 people the results stay basically the same. If the Libertarian Party reflected the views of conservatives they would not have started the Tea Party they would have joined the Libertarian Party. Name calling and browbeating as you often do with religious people is not an effective strategy for Libertarians as it is for Liberals with media support because Libertarians are too few in number and little support. You just end up alienating those who are religious and otherwise who may have had an interest in the past. Alienating people from your cause has always been your strong point. You do not have the savvy to put together any kind of a coalition. Without that no idea can be moved froward and nothing can be accomplished.

      • Bruce D.

        Dave-H: More accurately alienating people from your cause and preaching to those who already believe are your strong points.

      • DaveH

        So then, produce a more legitimate poll to back your comment, Bruce D.
        And quit whining like a Liberal (referring to your “alienating” comment.

      • DaveH

        And Bruce D, I know that you like to put words in my mouth like the Liberals do, but I did not attack all religious people. I said “certain Religious people”. You know the ones who don’t practice their religion, but rather twist it to suit their personal desires. You know — hypocrites.
        In fact I admire those religious people who actually do follow their religious tenets.
        I suspect that you aren’t one of them.

  • Witsend

    1. In my lifetime, (I am 62) elections have alwaysl been dominated by donations of billionaires.

    2. The oil companies have one of the lowest profit margins of any business (income vs investment). The federal government actually makes more per gallon of gas than the oil company does – and the government doesn’t even have to take an investment risk. I do agree that the subsidies should be eliminated – and not just for oil companies!

    • jopa

      The tax, state and federal combined averages about 50 cents a gallon with Conn. being about the highest at 60 cents a gal..When you see $3.80 a gal. at the pump add at least another dollar for tax breaks for the oil companies from your income taxes and another dollar for subsidies for ethanol producers for their subsidies and the higher cost of food now that they use so much corn for ethanol.One more point is we are the government and I don’t feel as if I am profiting too much from all the oil profits that run into tens of billions per quarter.It seems to be just the opposite when I gas up the car or pay the heating bills.

      • DaveH

        Note that I am not agreeing with Jopa’s “facts”.
        If that were so, Jopa, then the simple solution is to get rid of Income Taxes and get the Government out of the marketplace.
        Government should not be in the business of protecting politically-favored companies (which they’ve been doing since the mid 1800s).
        The only “Fair” tax would be an equal head tax on every adult in the country. There should be no Corporate tax. Barring protection from Crony Politicians, we should be grateful that those companies are providing Americans with jobs and efficiently produced goods and services. And, in any case, the Corporations don’t really pay taxes anyway. They just pass the higher costs on to the rest of us, whether that be by raising their product prices, lowering their wages, laying people off, moving out of the country, or going out of business (in which case fewer competitors mean higher costs to the consumers).
        It is all a shell game, foisted on an ignorant propagandized public, designed to boost the Power and Wealth of Politicians and their Crony Capitalists.

  • Tom

    Regarding importance of getting rid of Obama versus gaining control of Congress, Obama is more important because he can just ignore Congress and proceed with his plan using regulations. Look at what the EPA is doing! I don’t think Congress has the balls to deny the EPA funding. How can someone who is “against” clean air and water expect to get reelected?

    • Marion Barrett

      Tom, I have been upset for ages about the lack of balls shown by those in Congress when it comes to denying Obama the powers he has assumed that violate the Constitution.

      • Flashy

        I would think if there were powers undertaken by Congress OR the administration, someone would be successful in filing court actions …

        Just because YOU think an action is unconstitutional does not mean it is.

        Ooops.

      • Hey You

        You’re displeasure may arise from whom your fellow voters put into congress. Figure out whom the liberty oriented congressional people are and support them. The (R) doesn’t mean much.

      • GALT

        You all need to wake up and realize that nothing this government does is UNCONSTITUTIONAL…….because the system of law you are subject to, was altered in 1939…….and the constitution does not apply in admiralty, maritime or under the Uniform Commercial Code…….which every state has adopted in it’s entirety, and which requires a reservation of rights under UCC 1-207 and makes some vague reference to the fact the code can not be read to preclude the common law, which is meaningless because no common law or equity courts exist. ( even if you had an effective reservation of rights in place prior to your needing them. )

        This took a bit of time to accomplish, but it is no coincidence that the Federal Reserve Notes of 1955 were the last ones to state that they were redeemable in “lawful money”, and simply became “legal tender” period.

        There are notable people using the “unconstitutional” rhetoric yet fail to explain why. When you find one that reveals this bit of truth to you and what you can do about it, then you will have someone who may just be able to do something to ‘restore” what you have lost……..for you have indeed lost it. If they do not bring this up, then they are selling something, but it is not the truth….so your choices are, stupidity, ignorance or deception.

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “I would think if there were powers undertaken by Congress OR the administration, someone would be successful in filing court actions …
        Just because YOU think an action is unconstitutional does not mean it is”.

        Ignoring Flashman’s undeserved condescension, the truth is that the Supreme Court was never intended to be the final arbiter of Constitutionality. They just took that power.
        Even unintelligent people can figure out the the various branches of the Federal Government are going to generally side with the Federal Government rather than the States. It’s called Conflict of Interests.
        Anybody (maybe even Flashman) can read the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and these minutes of the Constitutional Convention by James Madison, to see what the Founders really intended the Constitution to mean:
        http://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/debcont.asp

      • DaveH

        Forgot to add the Federalist Papers:
        http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpapers/fedi.htm

    • T i m

      Mr. Tom , I speak to lots of people about all this stuff , because IN MY OPINION , this is the most important election of my life . From what I see in people , most do not care about politicis , BECAUSE , people tell me , it makes no difference who the president is . I saw Carter do things as president , while I was in military , which made me sick to watch . Then along comes Reagan …….SAME THING . Reagan signed the congressional act , to DE REGULATE the commerce department , which Carter had created . Who was speaker of the HOUSE at that time . THAT IS MOST OF THE REASON FOR AMERICAN ECONOMY AT THIS TIME . Congress knew then , we would be where we are today . Add to that , Clinton signed AMERICA into the world government commerce , in EUgene Oregon , BECAUSE AMERICA , is a member of the G – 2 0 world government . We are expected to follow the leader over the cliff. All the billions spent by the candidate supporters , want their man to keep AMERICA in the world economy , so no one in the top elite crony group misses a paycheck . THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO AMERICAN ECONOMY . Both Rick Perry and Ron Paul have said it . Ron Paul wants to gut congress , cut all congressional payroll , bring all our troops home …..AMERICA CAN PROTECT OURSELVES FROM OUR OWN BORDERS . SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT DECADES AGO . Israel does not need our help . We will be there if they call . …I will continue to support RON Paul .

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I think it stinks that one has to be rich and have rich friends to have a serious shot at winning an election. Until these guys work for 50 grand a year and have to make mortgage payments, and insurance payments, and budget their money to pay for their electric bills, and water and gas and phone bills, and buy groceries for the family, they have no idea of what life is like for us common joes. Dont get me wrong, Im not in poverty here, as Im quite comfortable. But these guys have lived high off the hog for so long, and we the tax payers pay for their meals and their travel and their insurance and medical needs, and they have no idea of how it is for the majority of us. And anyone that knows anything, knows that money corrupts, and these greedy lawyer types, that run our political system pretty much all make me sick, as all they are in it for it seems, is to get that cushy lifetime pension, and to fill their bank accounts as full as they can before they are booted out. They should have to work 20 to 30 years for a pension like the rest of us do. After all, isnt it called “public service?”. It seems it has all become “self service”, where no matter what side gets in there, they seek to serve themselves and their party, more concerned about making the other side look bad, then they are making America good for all of us. Its a sad state of affairs for this country, thanks to the lawyers that run it.

    • andrew

      AMEN i believe like you ,the problem will never be solved until these fatthead rich get out and are replaced by members from the working class

    • DaveH

      Only a portion of the Rich are our problem. Those are the Crony Capitalists who get special protections in the marketplace by their Crony Politicians.
      In order to restore the American Dream, where anybody can achieve wealth, we need to get Government out of our Marketplace. There is only one Political Party that supports Free Markets:
      http://libertarianparty.org/issues

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I just have to wonder Dave, knowing how much money and power corrupts people, would the allure of power and money make the Liberatians lose their way like it has the Democrats, and now the Republicans? Im sick of these two, fighting over who gets to spend “our money”. Neither one has any self control over it, and they all get in bed with special interest groups that are allowed to push their agenda down our throats. I truly would like to see if the Liberatarians would be different, but I have seen it over and over again, how these large amounts of money change the very fabric of people and how they think and how they conduct themselves. Money makes them compromise their principles and their morals, and next thing you know, they are numb to it, theyve already done it, so they just keep doing it and soon they have no conscience about it, it becomes everyday way of life to them, sucking money out of everyone and using it to their own advantage. Our political system is in the saddest state of affairs if has ever been, and seeing what the country elected this time is below the lowest Ive ever seen, and to even consider doing it again, shows how dumbed down the masses have gotten also. I dont care if its a Republican or a Liberatarians, this thing running things now, has proven that we cannot afford 4 more years of him. No way, no how.

  • Marion Barrett

    Okay, so you are upset that millionaires have contributed to the Republican party? Well, why don’t you talk about the many, many millions that have been contributed to Obama from his special interest groups? S C I agree with you–Obama is a socialist plus! He is out to completely destroy our country as we know it and set himself up as supreme dictator for life.

    • stillsane

      Remember Obummer had Wall St. in his pocket in 2008. Also the union thugs have always had pac’s. Obummer got all this money. Now Wall St. is going for Etch A Sketch.

      • T i m

        You got to put a name to the union groups who put obama in White House. The biggest of the bunch , NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT , is the teachers union . The other biggest union nobody talks about …….CONGRESS . Follow that with the labor union , which the teachers union is part of ……….then you have the WELFARE UNION ……… why did congress NOT STOP THE ELECTION TILL OBAMA SHOWED THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE ……….BECAUSE IT DID NOT MATTER . …AND STILL DOES NOT MATTER .

  • hjs1251

    I frankly don’t think that the spending of millions of dollars to keep other candidates in the race was a waste.

    It is only a waste if real issues have not been discussed. And despite a lot of character assassination, which I don’t feel was helpful, real issues and some rather good solutions have been put forth. Did you know that but for the contributions of a few very wealthy individuals that we might not have had a Ronald Reagan Presidency? The lefties would probably applaud that fact, but those of us who think more clearly understand the implications.

    I have heard it stated that we spend more on potato chips in one year than we spend on political advertsing in a whole four-year cycle. Which is more important to our existence as a free society? My only regret is that there isn’t more open discussion about the principles of the founders and the application of those principles today.

    • Flashy

      “It is only a waste if real issues have not been discussed.”

      OK..so what “real issues” have been discussed? Romney won’t say what agencies he’d eliminate, none has come up with any budget profiles, they haven’t discussed any particulars about any issue.

      So…just exactly what are these “discussed issues” ?

      • stillsane

        People stopped listening to Newt after Romney’s vicious attacks agains him. If you visit his website, he has most definitely addressed all these issues. newt.org

      • Flashy

        including those he made up.

      • OB1

        Plan clearly laid out for many months…just not covered by the LSM: ronpaul2012.com

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “OK..so what “real issues” have been discussed?”, insinuating that he has watched the Republican Debates.
        The only problem here is, Flashman, that you have no credibility on this board.

    • Mark in LA

      Adelson’s money was spent to keep the Iran warmongers in line. They know there is plenty of campaign money in continually calling for war with Iran.

  • Elaineanne

    This isn’t anything new, money has always done the talking. It doesn’t even concern me as I know Soros money is so plentiful on the other side, am thankful we’ve got a few rich republicans. I understand what Chip is saying. I am more concerned by the too many to count blog comments from folks saying they are going to write in vote for Ron Paul. That only turns out to be a vote for the other party. I will never forgot what good old Ross Periot did to the GOP, all for nothing and actually for harm to our party. All of the candidates have something good about their views this time, let’s have the process work. And big deal if we don’t have a candidate until August…the left has to spend money talking against all of them now, when we get the “one” the millions will flow into negative ads from the left.

    • Deerinwater

      So you are saying Elaineanne; “To heck with the best candidate and vote party”?

      Well, okay sound like a plan.

      And Chip! I want to agree with you, this couple that backed Newt was somewhat foolish with their money, I would think.

      First, NEWT can’t Win or Place, he can only Show.

      To wager that he might show up, would be the only wager I might invest in Newt. What they had in mind, I’m clueless to know.

      But I’ve developed the attitude, that for politicians to spend money foolishly is what they do best. If it’s someone else money, all the better. People like these Newt supporters seem to encourage this behavior.

      The thing is, Obama is going to win this 2012 general election regardless of what they spend. Romney will be GOP candidate and it will be a tight race regardless how disconnected, unprepared and lacking Mitt Romney will appear to be.

      The only thing that can prevent this train from rolling into the station would be a major world or national event. That could happen, I”ve moved my families assets to safer places anticipating GOP tomfoolery of the highest level possible.

      The GOP can clearly see some short term gains if the Supreme court appeal National Heath Care. But these gains will turn into heavy baggage for the GOP in the years to follow. It will be an albatross’ they must around their neck. Of course they will attempt to do what they always do,~ blame the effects created by repeal on pass DNC leadership. They have been successful at this and will continue doing it long after in quits being effective. My guess, that would be “NEVER”

      The GOP has made a habit in recent years of garb hold of and capture the minute if it’s with in their grasp, willing to deal the down side effect of today’s decisions tomorrow.

      This politics by the sound bite does work well among most GOP supporters. I suppose , they are some hungry for any gains, they seem willing to cling and support anything that offers the “appearance” of some victory like Rush’s latest blunder while stepping on his own pecker.

      Rush calling our women, sluts and prostitutes was okay with many of them. Rush was good for a few news cycles and dominated the hours, then a some killing or massacre knocked him off the front page and lucky to make editorial page. Little question, Rush was thankful.

      It doesn’t not matter who the GOP choice will be, it could be Soupy Sales or Billy Bob Thornton, it’s to be a close race.

      But, spend that money, spread that wealth , as much as you can afford, Like Chip says; support your people.

      • Flashy

        Deer..52-48% popular vote and the President is re-elected. 304 Electoral votes carrying most states but the South and the Central states. Florida, N Mex and Iowa are those I think will show the ignorance of the TP votes. Though Florida may swing again to the President.

        Pa will be close, Michigan close but not as close as Pa.

        The educated and high wage states will go with the President.

        Amateur call, but I’d bet on it.

      • http://liberty Tony

        To Flashy:
        Look, Obama is going to win bigger than that. He’ll at least win 330 electorals maybe 380.
        Google http://www.usaelectionpolls.com and you’ll see this. Granted, these are early polls but if t They’re indicative what the future holds then it’s a slum dunk for Obama. TGIF!!

      • FreedomFighter

        Deer Flash and Tony are typical Obama voters

        Obama Voters

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVX-c07uefc&feature=related

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • http://liberty Tony

        Dear Freedom Fighter:
        How ironic your name is, given the fact, you’re, obviously, a reactionary who doesn’t even understand the concept of freedom. The proof of the pudding is one your bizarre assumption that i’m a liberal loon and two, that pitiful stereotypical link you gave. If you could read, you would see, all i’m saying Obama will win again because he has no competition and because of foolish rants from mentally challenged individuals such as yourself. So long for now!!

      • FreedomFighter

        Tony,

        I have read many of your posts and was very sure you are an Obama supporter and believe you voted for him in 2008.

        If Im wrong say so, but you didnt.

        Though I do agree Obama will win election or there will be no elections. Meaning if the election is not fixed for Obama to win, they will be canceled due to say War and Martial Law.

        Obama could never be elected on his record and his popularity — see Obama voter video.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

    • .50BMG

      If you vote for whomever the MSM says will win, you are actually being led by the nose. If people would vote their conscience instead of voting for “whoever can beat pukama”, not only can someone who is considered a threat to the establishment win, it would send the message that we aren’t falling for their obfuscationist attempt to throw the election. Ron Paul is a good example- (you knew I was going there, wouldn’t want to disappoint you)- I’ve heard lots of people say they would vote for him if it wasn’t for this or that, usually about his foreign policies (and don’t forget he will have to go thru the house of thieves, so he won’t be able to get everything he wants. At least you can bet he will actually go thru the animal den instead of bypassing them like the puking alien we have now). I have news for you- there aren’t ANY candidates who will make everyone happy on all counts- that person doesn’t exist. If you vote based on what the MSM says (lies), we will always end up with the NWO’s choice (Gingrich, Santorum and Romney are all choices of the NWO, they’ve certainly got their bases covered don’t they). Speaking of RP, please check out his website to find out what he REALLY thinks and why, without the spin, before you rule him out. Read the bills (in their entirety) he voted on and you will see the reasoning behind his votes (sometimes a good bill will have something bad attached that forces it to be killed, etc.) Not that he’s perfect by any means. And for those who say he hasn’t accomplished anything- think about it- he’s up against a bunch of crooks who are robbing us blind and trying destroy the economy- it would be kind of hard to get anything done with the crooks in control killing any honest legislation brought to the floor, don’t you think?

      • OB1

        I read this today and am passing it on:

        THE RON PAUL SUPPORTERS CREED.

        Pay attention Republican voters.

        I am a Ron Paul supporter. This election season, no candidate will get my vote for the Office of President of the United States of America except for Ron Paul. There will be no exceptions. If he does not win the nomination, I will write his name on the ballot.

        No amount of slick talking, flip-flopping, wooing, cajoling, threatening, or condescending will persuade me to vote for any other contender for that office.

        You don’t want to admit it, but you know that the Republican Party cannot beat Obama without me, a Ron Paul supporter. It’s long past time you admit it.

        You and I have conflicting goals. I will only cast a vote for liberty, for peace, for small government, for fiscal sanity and respect for the Constitution of the United States and adherence to the oath of office of the Presidency. You however are content merely to vote for whatever Republican the GOP leadership and the media approve of.

        I will not move. I cannot be persuaded. You cannot win without me.

        I am not here to convince you that Ron Paul’s positions are superior. I am not here to convince you that his foreign policy is in line with traditional conservatism. I am not here to convince you that his understanding of economics put everyone else in Washington to shame. I am not even here to convince you that the positions of the other candidates are not materially different than Obama.

        No, I don’t need to do any of that. I only need to tell you that without me, you have lost. If you do not vote for Ron Paul in your Primary or Caucus, you are already defeated. If you fail to nominate Ron Paul to be the Republican candidate for President, Barack Hussein Obama will serve a second term.

        This is not blackmail. This is not a threat. This is a simple statement of fact.

        I stand firm and I will not accept anything less.

        ~If you agree with this post this on other sites and encourage others to help make it go viral so the message is clear to the GOP. Join or die!

        • RichE

          I think I’ll write in Joe the Plumber.

      • GALT

        Here is one final thought regarding Ron Paul and the idea that he represents some sort of understanding of the constitution or any integrity regarding it……..or anything else he says.

        He like everyone else in government took an OATH to that document, which is okay, provided you only do it once…………..from that point on, you would be bound by that oath,
        to bring to the attention of others, at every opportunity all the supposedly “unconstitutional” things it was doing….and denounce those that were doing them, as traitors or criminals……..who were essentially serving an illegitimate government.

        This would be all a TRUE BELIEVER could do…….be kinda like jimmy stewart in the movie…and any other activity would constitute a violation of that oath……since it would be in support of an illegitimate government…….

        Having done this once…..and accomplishing nothing……a TRUE BELIEVER could not in good conscience take the OATH a second time……

        Ron Paul has taken this oath quite a few times…..

      • DaveH

        They call Ron Paul Dr. No in Congress, because he votes against so many bills for Constitutional reasons. Yet some people will go to great extremes to bad mouth him.

      • GALT

        For DavidH. Like everyone else running for president Ron Paul is subject to the scrutiny
        and questions regarding his position and record…….for me, these are simply questions and while I am not certain that your comments were directed at me……the questions are valid. Ron Paul is not new to this scene, nor is the libertarian philosophy, and both have changed over time. What is interesting is that he seems to have developed a following of young people…….to add to the old crowd who adhere to the “libertarian” hope……in a world that has become far different than it used to be……that these concepts are NEW for them explains the phenomenon…….but it doesn’t improve the understanding, nor will it change the outcome……the questions, however, will remain valid, regardless. What I find interesting about YOUR position, is that it suggests that VOTING for Ron Paul means anything…….or to put it another way, what did voting for Ross Perot mean? The question is somewhat rhetorical……because I am not looking for the obvious answer.

      • DaveH

        What voting for Ron Paul means, Galt, is voting for a Principled man, one who understands the concept of freedom and who really practices his morality — not just gives it lip-service.

    • DaveH

      Elaineanne says — “I am more concerned by the too many to count blog comments from folks saying they are going to write in vote for Ron Paul. That only turns out to be a vote for the other party”.
      Quite the contrary, Elaineanne. Ron Paul will get more votes from disaffected Democrats than he does from disaffected Republicans:
      http://www.christianresponsealerts.com/2012/01/ron-paul-got-more-democrat-than-gop-votes-in-nh-primary/

      I think if Ron Paul runs 3rd party, which he should, the Republican Candidate should bow out so as not to spoil the victory for Ron Paul.

  • http://www.freedomformula.us Carolyn Alder

    Who in their right mind thinks that the Framers designed a system to elect the best (or rather worst) president MONEY can BUY?

    The Framers designed an ingenious system to elect a president who could not be bought at any price.

    It is totally unknown today. We quickly turned our backs on it and resorted to the machinations of party politics.

    • Flashy

      I don’t have a strong opposition to money involved in elections. What i have is undisclosed monies and unlimited monies.

      The vast amounts the few billionaires are using are starting to float to state and local elections as well. And as everyone knows…the TP Trilogy is most effective when the lies can be hammered in time after time covering the truth.

      Where is the little guy in all this?

      • Hey You

        The “little guy” is the person who ultimately pays for all this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TandJMcCall Teri Mount McCall

    It’s their money they can spend it where they wish. I am praying daily that Gingrich can make a come back! If he doesn’t, all is seriously lost! At the rate people are not voting for him it appears the vast majority of the people are going to get exactly what they deserve. Only problem that I have is that it will be my young children that suffer too and they didn’t ask for it!

    • Karolyn

      No Newt is good Newt!

      • Deerinwater

        haha!~ I think that we are safe Karolyn .

        The only thing holding him up is a starched shirt, someone else’s money and ego.

      • old hillbilly

        Double speak is a two faced puppet attacking evil predatory oil pricing with taxation & more “regulation”; while the other face “regulates” to deny overflowing supplies that could end predatory monopolist pricing by simple free competition! As long as predatory monopolists own and finance their puppets, necessities will be scarce and people will do without, because predatory prices and dictatorial “regulation are necessary to lead the sheepepole to the Promised Land.

  • Midwest mom

    Newt Gingrich is the only conservative Republican candidate with a past record of balancing the budget, welfare reform and cutting spending. He has fought the establishment for years, and your comments about him just getting a spot to speak shows me you don’t understand the whole movement or what is really happening. It is interesting to me, when you shut off the flow of lies and speculations and cynical commentaries and just listen to the man, he has what it takes to be our President. His stategey for the convention is sound. He knows what he is up against. It is the people who need to be educated. James Madison, called the Father of our Constitution, said ” An educated people are a free people”. As a mom and teacher myself, I see my fellow Americans and grieve that they are so easily swayed by a postcard from Santorum or comments on Nightly Talk Show on Romney and believe it. For those who need more education, I encourage you to go to Newt.org, and watch the videos of his speeches –especially Value voter’s Summit, on activist judges, Jim Garlow’s interview on his stands with marriage, life, and many others you can even see on Youtube -http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0r4mb9J96Pw This short film tells the story of Newt Gingrich’s life from his small town beginnings, to his rise as Speaker of the House and his unprecedented journey ….you can see he is more than qualified to lead us in “rebuilding the America we love”. If only these PACs would show his solutions and introduce Americans to the real Newt, they would love him as we Newt supporters do and do all they can to secure delegates in the coming state elections. No one will secure the total delegates before the convention. There is hope for Newt.

    • Peter T Hawk

      The only candidate who is not morally bankrupt is Dr. Ron Paul. Without him your constitution and economy are down the tubes on the Obama railroad. Even with smiling Mitt as head engineer your economic and constitutional future is sealed. You folks are getting one last chance to do it right. Good luck- Your gonna need it.

  • FreedomFighter

    Chip if you have a problem with these money men, I would suggest a phone call and letter of introduction. Get hired as an advisor or at least get a interview and give the men your intel.

    They didnt make billions being stupid.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • Airangel

    We only give any candidate running 100,000 for travel, no more, no less and may the best person win. They can not use their own money and Super Pacs are dissolved, Illegal to air campaigns against any candidate. Garner votes the good ol fashioned way with town halls and public forums and however you choose to get your message out based on your budget. This will put everyone on a level playing field. Those that care about this country will attend and vote accordingly and attened debates and townhalls. It’s become too biased and influenced today and the whole point and purpose is so distorted and ugly. Anyone elected should not have any different benefits or health care over those that voted them in to keep those running, running for the right reasons!

  • eddie47d

    Considering that Harold Simmons and his Swift Boat Veterans for TRUTH told numerous lies to defeat Kerry he and his gang have no credibility .Now he wants to pour many more millions into distorted ads and sleazy baloney. How about demanding some real TRUTH from these exploiters of our political system. That was before “Citizens” United so we can imagine what will be in store from them now.

  • abbe

    Sort of makes up for the criminal billions Odumbo gets from his nefarious friends. IE: Soros Ayers and the Union thugs and his welfare /illegal alien losers voter base

    • eddie47d

      Saying Obama is gaining much from Ayers is laughable at best. Soros hasn’t been in the picture much except being brought up by the likes of you. Unions get donations from union members on a voluntary basis (free choice). So you aren’t batting too well. Please tell us where that Billion dollars in campaign funds Obama was supposed to amass. More Republican propaganda Abbe? As of now the Republicans have raised $202 million and the Democrats have raised $157 million. So come back when you can be more reasonable.

      • Dennis48e

        “Unions get donations from union members on a voluntary basis (free choice).”

        Prove it eddie. From all I have heard many many union donations are forced donations or they come from the union fees with no choice from the members on which party/candidate that money goes to support.

      • eddie47d

        I guess you have a right to believe what you heard. I was in a union for 40 years and was never coerced for anything.

  • John Hand

    You know what REALLY SUCKS? This site putting up a photo of Obama and saying something about our electricity rates are going to go up, and pretending it is a video of Obama opening his mouth too wide, and then, once you have clicked on it, it is an ad by some guy to hawk his wares. Grrrrrrrrr I hate that! Sneaky sneaky.

  • http://liberty Tony

    To everyone here:
    I know this is getting way off subject but it’s quite obvious , it’s being fixed for Obama to win in a landslide. This Mitt “Richie Rich” Zombie says more dummer things as the campaign continues. Farewell and TGIF!!

    • Meteorlady

      There is a huge difference here between the two even though I hate Romney and most others I have talked feel the same. The fact is George Soros and those bent on One World Order pull Obama’s strings – maybe Romney also to an extent. But with Romney we maybe would not have the race, religion and class divisions we are seeing brought back they this President.

      • FreedomFighter

        Those that pull the strings know Americans are waking up, Americans have purchased 5 million guns in the last month and the response from DHS?

        Disarming America: Homeland Security Buys Up Ammo Supplies

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msyoOduf3Yc&feature=uploademail

        The DHS or Department of Human Sacrifice has orded over 450 million rounds of 40 cal ammunition, hollowpoint, the kind that penetrates leaving gaping holes in human bodies. Only 320 million people in America.

        There is only one reason for DHS to do this: WAR ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

        Get ready its coming, the facts can only lead to one sad fact:

        Our government has been taken over by outside powers and we the American people are now the enemy.

        God help us all.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • http://liberty Tony

        Dear Meteorlady:
        With either one we’ll, definitely, have a major class division. When Mitt “Richie Rich” Zombie states that he is building a 5 story mansion in California and he’s going to install two elevators for his wife’s “cadillacs” or he makes a joke before being enroute to a working class depressed town in northern Wisc., that his father made a huge profit by closing down a factory in suburban Detroit in the late 1950′s to early 60′s. Thereby, laying off 2,000 people, what does that tell you!?! Think about that.
        Next, Freedomfighter, really, will you be in touch with reality. I’m a gun owner myself and believe in survivalism but your paranoia take the cake. There are treatments, even cures for what ails you. Seek them out please. TGIF!!

      • FreedomFighter

        I back up what I say with fact, this is not paranoia, its stating the obvious.

        Denial in the face of overwheming evidence is a “mental disorder”

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • absolutely amazed

        Meteorlady – some of your blogs make a lot of common sense, but the “race, religion, and class” divisions brought on by Obama’s election were not instigated by him, but rather by those out to kneecap him. I was amazed by how many people in this nation really are threatened by the idea of a black man being in a position of power. Then they criticize him for being a protestant, followed by alleging that he is really a muslim islamofascist and then the absolute opposite, a communist, etc etc. His political positions are so far to the right of traditonal center, but the traditional center of the Tea Party, the Koch Brothers, Adleson, and their fellow Regressive travellers makes Attilla the Hun or Genghis Khan look like communists. They are truly proposing a “you’re on your own” society the instant you are born. Let every embryo come to birth, but then abandon the baby upon delivery to the whims and uncertainties of the world, and they ain’t nice. But then the Koch Brothers ain’t nice either, but they can afford not to be nice, the rest of the 99% being in their indentured service if they continue to get their way with the far right and those they can buy lock, stock, and barrel.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        absolutely amazed – why are you threatened by black men in powerful positions? Seems kind of peculiarly racist to me – Or do you pick and choose which black man can be in power – liberal = ok; conservative = what? You tell me – oh, racism most likely -or is it just bigotry…

      • George E

        Amazed,

        By any measure of reasonableness, BHO is the most leftist President we’ve had, certainly since FDR and possibly since Woodrow Wilson. He is so far from being a conservative, that I’m amazed you can even suggest he is to the right of anything or anyone. As a conservative, I’d give him his highest marks on continuing the war in Afghanistan, and not shutting down Gitmo like he promised, but that would be tempered by his lack of commitment, focus, and enthusiasm for getting the job done right. However, in the areas of financial and economic management, upholding the Constitution, supporting and strengthening the free enterprise system, foreign policy, leading by example, commitment to our history and culture, controlling our borders, not to mention a whole host of other issues like abortion, race relations, religious freedom, government interference in business, individual freedom, etc., I would definitely give him a failing grade. He is NOT a conservative of any kind. He is a Progressive (liberal, statist, socialist).

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Libertytrain, teacher, teacher I know the abswer…just bigotry… :)

      • DaveH

        Obama is Progressive, George. That’s why he stayed in Afghanistan, and kept Gitmo open. A True Conservative would be out of Afghanistan and close Gitmo.
        Progressives can rationalize anything when it comes to building Bigger Government.

  • Hey You

    Chip is very correct with his comment that,”- – getting more good Constitutionalists elected to Congress is more important than putting another establishment Republican in the White House”. Much more important!

    Support your local liberty oriented candidates.

  • Meteorlady

    I’m tired of all this crap. These election are so fake. The two party system is fake and it’s corrupt. We get to vote for whomever they handpick to support, in this case Romney. It was always Romney…. It’s just another boss same as the old boss and it makes me sick that we have let the elites get a hold on our political futures.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=745534442 Irina Krasnyuk

    Oh, those billions! So far this campaign has been on being, so-called, halfed. Is this the way to safepressure? Of the two halfs i would choose the golden silver. Unlike my fellow chipmonk i do not look out to solving it out. I look to bailing it out..untill the next time, when the powder will happens.

  • http://PersonalLibertydigest Patricia

    After reading all these comments, I wonder if anyone remembers that the Democrats were in charge of congress for FORTY years and that’s when the country started down hill, it seems a shame that every one has forgotten who got us here in the first place!!

    • RichE

      Patricia, IMO we’ve always had the problem, but the problem was exacerbated in 1971 when the world was taken off the gold standard. I’m not against this move, but the move removed the restraint. When the world was on the gold standard there was a physical restraint. Government borrowing was limited (caveat) to how much gold they had. The current world standard doesn’t have a physical restraint. If you want to solve the over- borrowing don’t allow any government (i.e. PIGS) to borrow more than their credit score would allow.

      PIGS: Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain

  • jopa

    Meteorlady;You are wrong about the SS Trust Fund and LBJ.Do a quick google search on Ronald Reagan and Alan Greenspan and you will see these are the two culprits that put the SS Trust Fund in the General Fund.Since that time all the lawmakers think they are Generals and the fund is theirs to play with.

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      jopa, if you’re going to tell someone they’re wrong, you should at least get it roght yourself.

      The Social Security Trust Fund has never been “put into the general fund of the government.”

      Most likely this myth comes from a confusion between the financing of the Social Security program and the way the Social Security Trust Fund is treated in federal budget accounting. Starting in 1969 (due to action by the Johnson Administration in 1968) the transactions to the Trust Fund were included in what is known as the “unified budget.” This means that every function of the federal government is included in a single budget. This is sometimes described by saying that the Social Security Trust Funds are “on-budget.” This budget treatment of the Social Security Trust Fund continued until 1990 when the Trust Funds were again taken “off-budget.” This means only that they are shown as a separate account in the federal budget. But whether the Trust Funds are “on-budget” or “off-budget” is primarily a question of accounting practices–it has no affect on the actual operations of the Trust Fund itself.
      http://www.socialsecurity.gov/history/InternetMyths.html

      • RichE

        JeffH,
        Another piece of the pie is government borrowed from the Social Security Trust. This allowed government to over-borrow. Currently, the government isn’t allowed to borrow anymore from the trust, yeah!

        The government is borrowing from China. China allows this because the U.S. is its biggest customer and I think I’m getting off topic, oh, what the hell. The government can’t spend more than it collects (i.e. taxes) unless it borrows. The amount a government collects is a restraint on spending, but borrowing removes this restraint. Currently (caveat debt ceiling) there isn’t a restraint on borrowing (caveat except the lender). Currently the government is borrowing from its self to print money which isn’t good. When the government stops borrowing (from its self or anybody) and just prints money then that will be bad, very bad.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        RichE, money flowing into the SS trust funds is invested in U. S. Government securities. Because the government spends this borrowed cash, some people see the trust fund assets as an accumulation of securities that the government will be unable to make good on in the future. Without legislation to restore long-range solvency of the trust funds, redemption of long-term securities prior to maturity would be necessary.

        • RichE

          JeffH,
          I think you missed my point, when the government borrows from its self it has to collect once and pay back once. This doubles the expense.

        • RichE

          JeffH,
          -Also-
          Borrowing to spend is a lot more expensive than raising taxes. You have the interest to pay back and the inflation that government borrowing causes (caveat almost always causes).

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        RichE, no, not really…we both know the taxpayer is on the hook for whatever the guvment borrows, whether from China, Japan or exchanging bonds for SS funds…I just explained how they do it with SS funds.

  • FreedomFighter

    The Department Of Homeland Security Is Buying 450 Million New Bullets

    …high performance HST bullets are designed for law enforcement and ATK says they offer “optimum penetration for terminal performance.”

    This refers to the the bullet’s hollow-point tip that passes through barriers and expands for a bigger impact without the rest of the bullet getting warped out of shape: “this bullet holds its jacket in the toughest conditions.”

    We’ve also learned that the Department has an open bid for a stockpile of rifle ammo. Listed on the federal business opportunities network, they’re looking for up to 175 million rounds of .223 caliber ammo to be exact. The .223 is almost exactly the same round used by NATO forces, the 5.56 x 45mm.

    The deadline for earlier this month was extended because the right contractor just hadn’t come along.

    Looks like the Department of Homeland Security means business.

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/us-immigration-agents-are-loading-up-on-as-many-as-450-million-new-rounds-of-ammo-2012-3#ixzz1qcDNdyaJ

    The Department of Human Sacrifice or DHS is getting ready for “WAR WITH AMERICANS”

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      FF, “The Department Of Homeland Security Is Buying 450 Million New Bullets”(.40 caliber)

      I’ll weigh in on this.

      The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and its Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) office is getting an “indefinite delivery” of an “indefinite quantity” of .40 caliber ammunition from defense contractor ATK.

      U.S. agents will receive a maximum of 450 million rounds over five years, according to a press release on the deal. The contract features a base of 12 months, includes four option years, and will have a maximum volume of 450 million rounds.

      The Department has an “open bid” for a stockpile of rifle ammo. Listed on the federal business opportunities network, they’re looking for up to 175 million rounds of .233 caliber ammo to be exact. The 223 is almost exactly the same round used by NATO forces, the 5.56 x 45mm.

      • FreedomFighter

        Now ask yourself:

        Who are they buying the ammo to shoot at?

        Only people here in the homeland you would need 500 million rounds of ammo to suppress and kill are Americans

        and they picked a particular round that does max damage to human flesh

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        FF, that’s the million dollar question! The .40 cal ammo is handgun ammo and the 5.56 is obviously rifle ammo. To solve the mystery, we’d have to know how many agents are carrying sidearms and how much of that ammo is required for practice and training. Also, what has been the norm in ammo purchases in the past by the DHS?
        ___________________________________________
        Winchester to Deliver 200 Million 40-Cal. Rounds to Homeland Security – August 22, 2009
        WASHINGTON, D.C. — Winchester Ammunition was recently awarded a contract by the Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE) division of the Department of Homeland Security to supply a maximum of 200 million, 40 cal. rounds over the next five years.

        The load selected for this contract is a 135-grain, hollow point designed for the office of Field Operations of Customs and Border Protection. It will fall under the Winchester Ranger line.

      • FreedomFighter

        They are stockpiling the ammo…any other questions?

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

  • marine72

    Chip: Does this mean you advocate Obamism? Personally the obscene $s collected from unions by obammer to the detriment of America is the crime of deceit. I, for one, am glad Mr. Adelson lives in a free country where he can use the money he “earned” in a way that he sees as most useful instead of the Millions of union $s stolen from everyday contributors to America’s greatness. The so-called public unions (there is nothing public about them except for their tax exempt status) have long manipulated our political system starting with California’s Governor Moonbeam’s FIRST taking California down the “Yellow Brick Road” and the nation right behind it. Libtard Californians are so stupid that they couldn’t wait to get him back for this June’s slew of tax increase referendums.

    The only thing I’m confused of is why you entered into the fray against Mr. Adelson? I know your idea to support electing constitutionalists is good, but you can’t act like obozo and imply that he is un-American for not following your idea – that is what democraps are doing, have been doing, and always will be doing – trying to help me wipe my buttocks and then telling he how I will pay to dispose of the TP that suits their demo lordships crony-capitalist “friends”.

    Thanks, I feel better now with that load off my mind; I flushed twice as it is a long way to the democrap campaign office.

  • Rocky

    Tell that to George the wacko Soros, stephen Apielber who spent Millions for Liberal Politicians pushing there Liberal socilaits marxist evil agenda in America!!! Thansk God gfor conservative Billionaires who know Truth unlike Obama.

  • T. Jefferson

    So what, they should give it to Dem-Superpacs?

  • Judy Schultz

    I’m a hispanic American woman, 69 years old, that changed my political affiliation from democrat to a republican to vote for Only One Man Ron Paul. I have so much passion & respect for him! He is the choice of the people and the troops. The Constitution was written for the people we must restore it. The establishment wants war so they can make billions more dollars. Ron Paul wants peace so our military will not have to sacrifice their lives for the wealthy bankers, establishment. Let’s get more congressman that are Consitutionalists. Ron Paul is alone fighting for our freedoms…. RP 2012 or write him in…

    • Thomas

      Thank You Judy for your intelligent comments. You’re a fine American !.

    • http://PL Jim

      your vote for Paul will be a vote for Obama

  • Beecher

    You are all so intelligent. Both sides have comments that are worth thinking about. Your contribution is very enlightening. But the negativity is horrific. There are those that debate in a way that makes it interesting and then there is mud throwing that makes it senseless. People can get their beliefs out there in a diplomatic way.
    Remember: KINDESS MATTERS.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

    something is terribly wrong when a few millionaires get to pick our presidents…along with the brainwashing MSM

    If Americans had a spine & a BRAIN they would vote for RON PAUL

    • Jude

      Thank you Rhonda, great comment coming from a female. Not very many of my female friends are voting for Ron Paul. Their all interested in good looks so their voting for the good looking one, Romney. What a shame that woman vote for looks instead of the candidates policies.

      • Karolyn

        I wouldn’t generalize like that, especially with older women.

  • Butch

    Its taken awhile but I FINALLY understand politics and why our once great nation is on the fast track to destruction. Its because of the fake paradigm of “Left vs Right” that gets people to abandon logic and spend all of their time attacking each other instead of the real problems we face. The Federal Reserve is at the root of most of our problems. From unreliable, worthless currency; to compromised, back stabbing puppet politicians; to the power to make currency being given to a PRIVATE bank with ZERO transparency; to the absolutely stupid policy of hypocritically policing the world while ignoring our own porous borders; to manufactured crises like 9/11 or “terrorism”…. the Federal Reserve is responsible for ALL of this and much more that we don’t know about. As long as we have a private bank calling the shots behind the scenes and devaluing what we have in the bank every time they print money backed by nothing…we will go nowhere but down. Ron Paul knows this and has said this but since sheeple zombies have been brainwashed to hate freedom and embrace the police state, his calls have fallen on deaf ears. Until now. The internet has enabled his message to be spread without the LSM media tainting it or ignoring it altogether. Even if he gets screwed out of the GOP nomination in August, the idea of freedom will endure because he opened our eyes to the lies. I will write Ron Paul in even if it ensures that the Fraud-in-Chief wins. If Dr. Paul runs as an independent, HE CAN WIN because he draws from BOTH parties AND independents. I will never vote for the lesser of two evils ever again. Obumma is trying to destroy America immediately. Romney, Santorum and Gingrich want to take their time. Either way, the Banksters/NWO win if any of those clowns win or if Obumma remains in office. The sooner that America is destroyed, the sooner she can be rebuilt, God willing.

  • Guest

    “Remember, if the Congress won’t approve, the Administration can’t spend it.”

    This is no longer true in Obamaland. He is currently going around Congress and has promised $1.5 billion to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt to help strengthen their military. If Obama is re-elected, he will continue ignoring Congress when he knows they won’t approve his out of control spending.

  • http://www.freedomformula.us Carolyn Alder

    All I was saying is that the Framers designed a far superior system for electing a president! It is totally unknown today.

    It was NOT the best (or rather worst) president MONEY can buy. It was designed to prevent campaigning, campaign promises, billions in self-aggrandizing, catering to special interests, buying votes and the machinations of party politics.

    Nobody seems to care that we ignore the Constitution and elect presidents over and over according to precedent rather than precept.

  • Guest

    “Remember, if the Congress won’t approve, the Administration can’t spend it.”

    This is no longer true in Obamaland. He is currently going around Congress and has promised $1.5 billion to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt to help strengthen their military. If Obama is re-elected, he will continue ignoring Congress when he knows they won’t approve his out of control
    spending.

  • http://www.facebook.com/darold.boucher Darold Boucher

    Millions to them is just chump change. It’s their money. Spend some, create jobs “Put the media to work” selling ad space.

  • Jude

    To change my political affiliation I did some research on the republican candidates. First I was going to vote for Gingrich until I found out he was involved with fanny & freddy Mac. Then when i heard billions of dollars were spent on Gingrich by Adelson and Adelsons daughter, then when i heard he left his wife while not in a healthy state, for his mistress Then is when I became discontented. Then is when I’ve decided to vote for better candidate. A Man of Integrity, Ron Paul.

  • Jack Reynolds

    If you live in Indiana, please support State Treasurer Richard Mourdock in the Republican US Senate Primary against RINO Dick Lugar who has been in the Seante since 1976!!
    Also, for the Presidential race, please vote for Dr. Ron Paul. Thank you very much.

  • Viet Nam Vet 67-68

    If you haven’t noticed the trend that Wee Willy Clinton started when he was President Obamination has been doing the same thing. He is throwing out so many things to act upon there isn’t enough people, time or money to bother with what is really wrong and that is he is an Illegal President Radical Muslim Communist Half Breed Not Black for you mentaly impaired his Mother was WHITE. His Immediate Removal should be the shouting point. Call write and/or email your Congress and DEMAND HIS IMMEDIATE REMOVAL. OR VOTE OUT EVERY CONGRESS PERSON THAT IS IN NOW BOTH SIDES HAVE SOLD US OUT, VOTE THEM OUT.

  • toridukes

    What is the big hurry with people? I have an entire different take on this and it is far more positive than what you’ve written. People have a right to spend their money how they see fit. I guess it makes them more important? I have no clue… I’m just a housewife & mother of 4 tax paying American Citizens. I am a registered republican with modern conservative values. This Primary isn’t over!

    Enough is Enough when OBAMA is out of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave!

    I am praying that this goes to the convention that will start on August 27th… This is my opinion and it may not mean much to anyone else and I would love to hear what you think?? The way I see it, this goes to a brokered convention, Obama gets LESS time to spend all that money that Warren Buffet and George Soros has donated to him and his Special Causes, Super PACS and every acronym we do not know about! Is a win win for the Nominee!! Praying it will be Newt…

    I would love it even more so because of what Romney has been doing to him from the get go in Iowa… He’s been the attack dog playing “Daddy war chest” out spending everyone to the point of asking for money because he stopped writing his own checks.

    One of Romney’s biggest lies against Newt Gingrich… still being used are about the
    (Ethics violations) (Proven false)

    “In 1997, Democrats and Republicans overwhelmingly found Newt Gingrich guilty of ethics violations. The ethics violations resulted in a large financial penalty and questions about his effectiveness as Speaker”. DEBUNKED in 1999 & keeps using that ad

    In one of the debates, Romney claimed he was not responsible for this ad, that it was a “Super Pac”, and that he had no control over what they do. Clearly, at the end of this ad it is his voice saying, “I’m Mitt Romney and I approve this message”

    I saw this played repeatedly in Florida and people actually thought it was “Today’s News”. It sure is one crafty ad! Romney is Crafty in many ways!

    He knows how to get money from the Federal Government, even the department of Education? This is so wrong! Who is the insider? Romney is an investor and money is where his heart is. He has not been very true to his so-called “Severely Conservative Values” whatever that means.

    I am so passionate about the election that someone will have to drag me to the voting polls on November 6th if Mitt Romney is our nominee.

    • FreedomFighter

      Maybe this will help

      Obama Zombies gone wild

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw7W8hpDxnY&feature=related

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • OB1

      Some facts about Newt G:

      On gun control: Gingrich supports the Brady National Gun Registry, a national biometric thumbprint registry of gun owners, and he voted for the Lautenberg gun ban and the criminal Safe Zones Act. The GOA rates him below C-. http://gunowners.org/newtgingrich-2012.htm
      On individual mandates: http://thehill.com/video/campaign/201421-gingrich-argued-for-individual-mandate-in-2008
      On TARP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJb2NfqwghY
      On the Patriot Act: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-23/gingrich-supports-patriot-act-powers-to-protect-u-s-in-danger-.html
      On NDAA: Gingrich supports the Patriot Act and has said he wants to see it expanded. He has avoided speaking about the NDAA at all, which implies consent.
      RE: Ron Paul: Apparently what he says travels straight over your head. Dr. Paul is, in fact, the father of the Tea Party and is the only candidate that is true to its ideals.

      • OB1

        The above comment was posted by Bob Livingston months ago and I found it quite helpful in my personal research of Newt. Newt is a gifted talker and debater. What I want in a candidate is a conservative constitutionalist with a proven track record. Ron Paul is that person. http://www.ronpaul2012.com ….. read where he stand on all of the most important issues.
        On every core Tea Party issue – the TARP bailout, Cap and Tax, and the individual mandate – Newt Gingrich cast his lot with bigger government, more spending, and less freedom. Newt Gingrich has a long record of liberal appeasement, flip-flopping on key issues, and lobbying for insider millions.

        Millions. That’s right. Remember the individual mandate Newt supported? His health care group received nearly $40 MILLION ($37 Million) in contributions from the healthcare industry.

        If you care to review Newt:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CWKTOCP45zY

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001415648643 Theresa Lepiane

        Before you bash Newt note this quote: “newt gingrich was far above any of the others. he debated better, he had more knowledge of the government and knows what to do to fix it. all we got out of romney was canned speech and a deer jn the headlights look.” The reason why Newt knows how to fix this is he lived through it with Reagan. Look at the Reagan years on Wiki. It’s exactly the same scenario, except Obama got in when Reagan was elected. Newt helped pull us out of the “Love everybody” and give away the store mentality of Carter. I love Carter as a man, but he sucked as president. Same is true of Obama, but Ron Paul is worse. Obama may be living in a fog, but Ron Paul is intentionally devious.

        As an Independent with conservative leanings I may just vote for Obama if Paul runs against him—that thought makes me throw up a little bit. I can’t see any way to fix the mess we are in. Does no one understand that if China calls in our debt our money will be as worthless as the Rebel coin was after the civil war? To stop this from happening the feds have sold us out and devalued our dollar so they can pay the debt with useless dollars. This strengthens the Chinese Yuan. Look at international news and see how many countries think that the dollar should no longer be the standard. What does that mean? When the feds dollars devalue, guess what, so do yours! Inflation will skyrocket and a loaf of bread will be $10 and gasoline will be $10/gal not because things go up, but because the dollar has less buying power.. It’s starting now. Without subsidies, the pittance farmers make will not allow them to plant and food will be scarce and expensive. Look at Russia, 1992. We had sold them wheat for years because they couldn’t afford to plant that enormous tract of land they have. Without food we will die. Last year 40% of the farms in my area were fallow due to high gas prices. What do you think will happen this year? Without oil/gasoline the economy will screech to a halt and the business you are all bitching about will go to China where the little Chinese children work for less than 1/6th what US workers demand. Is that what you want? Really, let’s picket Wall St. and make it worse for business and they will pick up and move. Do you or I have the wherewithall to pick up and move??????? Sure the government gave the banks money with no strings that said they had to LEND the money. That was the problem. Greedy bankers pocketed it. Guess, what greedy politicians did too. The feds think the American people are stupid and looking here what is being written I have to agree with them. Surely you can’t be so dumb as to think that the problem is business! Business wants a strong dollar. The problem is the US government has sold us out. Please tell me someone besides me is scared of the stupid sh– our government is doing. Forget business. It’s the politicians who are the problem. Start learning Chinese now.

  • chuckb

    what happened to the tea party, they have dissipated in the wind, there’s not a word out there being spoken. their only mention is when they come out for romney.. was the tea party a fraud? the people i know who are engaged in this process don’t like romney, so far he had bought what success he has by running dirty ads against his competition and the support of fox news. you mean to tell me people who watched the debates could not see the difference in the candidates and think romney is the best. what am i missing?

    newt gingrich was far above any of the others. he debated better, he had more knowledge of the government and knows what to do to fix it. all we got out of romney was canned speech and a deer jn the headlights look.
    .
    i have always voted republican and the only time i felt differently about the gop candidate
    was george h w bush, i felt he was out of touch with the people and more entwined with big finance. he tried to pull a romney when running against reagan,

    barry soetoro was a low for me, i knew what he was before he took the white house and i believe most people supporting him are nothing but liberal bleeding hearts and voted for him because he is black, nothing more.
    .

  • Lawrence

    Ron Paul has no chance at all. The best people like Michele who stood some chance were not given any chance at all in the debates. All thats left are bad choices but Mit Rommney is George Bush incarnate so even kicking out Obama’s best result is going to be another mediocure and destructive President, which will be a welcome change, but will not get the country on the right path again. If Obama wins this time, you can bet he will pull out all stops and it will be all over for us.

    • OB1

      HOW RON PAUL CAN WIN & SPOIL NOTHING
      by James Jaeger

      The fact that Ron Paul effectively tied for second place in IOWA — a very conservative state — and then won second place in NEW HAMPSHIRE — a much more liberal state, shows the enormous spectrum of Dr. Paul’s appeal.

      For the Republicans (the GOP) this must be quite uncomfortable — the idea that they are being forced to modify some of their wayward views just because a principled, constitutionalist and WE THE PEOPLE demand it.

      But here’s what really terrifies them: Ron Paul is not only in a position to hand the election of 2012 over to Barack Obama and be labled a “spoiler” — he’s in a position to be a “winner.”

      Etymology of the term “spoiler”:

      The term “spoiler” is a derogatory term that was dreamt up by statists in the Democratic and Republican parties. They use this term to make you feel guilty and to sucker the public into continuously voting for no one outside the Establishment. In other words, if you vote your conscience, YOU are a “spoiler.” If you run for office on principles dictated by your conscience and take votes away from an Establishment candidate, YOU are a “spoiler.”

      Thus, since Ron Paul votes his conscience, since he rejects certain aspects of the Establishment — such as the Federal Reserve’s abuse of the monetary system and its financing of the welfare-warfare empire we have now become — there is no way apparatchiks in the GOP will nominate Dr. Paul no matter what WE THE PEOPLE want.

      And to this end, lackey pundits in the CFR-dominated, mainstream media continuously chant that Ron Paul has “no chance to get the Republican nomination.” They spew this so often, it’s obvious they don’t believe their own lies.

      But here’s the joker: Ron Paul does not even need the GOP to win the general election. If he were to walk away for a third party, he would take at least 12% of the Republican vote with him. He would also take another 15% from the Independents and at least 11% from the Democrats. This would give him 38% — enough of the vote to win the Presidency in a 3-man race.

      GOP strategists know all this and this is why you will never hear them utter these statistics in the mainstream media. If the public were to become too “hopeful” — if they were to understand the mathematics of the situation — even more people would vote for Ron Paul if for no other reason than to be on the winner’s bandwagon.

      So, the GOP has some serious choices to make.

      • DaveH

        Well done, OB1.

  • http://loboviejo.wordpress.com loboviejo

    I agree that we need more liberty minded folk in the house and senate. Send him a budget, he vetoes it, No executive branch for a year.

    One thing we need to remember is that Obama’s performance is a far cry from a Repblican victory. FDR was elected four times and the “depression” ended after Truman lifted rationing and wage/price controls.

    There is a reason for a mediochre Republican which is the Supreme Court–the candidate elected can fill the Court vacancies that can impact law for the next 30 years.

    • RichE

      Hate the new sex as in sex sells.

  • WickedPickle

    And just what were these ‘families’ expecting from their backer if he wins the Presidency? Surely they didn’t cough up that much because their good Americans who just wants to donate to a good cause.. And their not the only blood suckers playing the pay back game. It’s blatantly apparent to me that these whales want to control our political system and their willing to scrape off millions (petty cash) from their true wealth to accomplish this. Well, this time it failed, but there are others behind the scenes that are doing ‘business as usual’ and one (or more) of them will have a large favor(s) at pay-up time. Super Pacs, nay! Any public or private backing should not be allowed to intervene in an election especially from special interest groups.. If someone wants to become a Senator or President (councilman or representative) then they should (1) use their own money for this (as each of us has to do in order to attain a job) and/or (2) depend on the yearly volunteer contributions off the IRS tax forms (that asks for a dollar for just this cause).. These elections should not be determined by how many millions a candidate can raise in order to buy the position.

  • Jeff Thomsen

    I have been a Ron Paul supporter since 1982. That’s the only clue this blog deserves.

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  • http://WindowsInternetExplorer ERichardson

    Billionaires wasted mil’s of $$$$. They were smart enough to earn the money, giving them the right to spend the money, anyway they choose. Money spent on harmfull products is money wasted & harmful to one’s health. Some people can’t walk-talk-think at the same time. Some people watch things happen-some people make things happen & some people ASK What Happened? Billionares knew what they were doing & why they were doing it. We should all be gratefull We The People still have Freedom of Choice 2011. A few posts referred to Mitt Romneys religion as a cult, uninformed people who helped elect President 2007 election. Hand out type not hand up. To insult Mitt Romney is to insult Noah & the great flood & Adam who saw,walked & talked with God. The Father of all creations on earth, the man that the Romeny & LDS- Mormons pray to. Who is the man in our WH? AZ Sherrif Joe Arpaio who has won 5 elections was asked by senior voters if their votes would be compromised if BHO was not eligible for office. 200 people town hall meeting, Sherrif Joe started Cold Case Investigation, Must Read; WNDExclusive.com Jerome Corsi also must read. Put the Legal name on the guy in the Oval, 2008 election that not one person voted for, The guy in the Oval using Ex-Order under the National Defense & Prepardness bill 1939 Section 201 & covers all Sec of State positions in his Admin. Gives him a license to take away our rights & Retistribute America’s Wealth! USA needs a God Fearing Canidate to stand up for the Founders with inspiratin from God the Creators Devine inspiration to write a Living Document from beginning of New World America’s to the end of time. Plan of Salvation=Constitutional Rule of Law-Our Rights Decalartion of Independance, Our Money Stamped In God We Trust. This is the same God/Heavenly Father the LDS Church worships along with all the phrophets from the beginning of time with records from 4000BC to Modern Time, to prove it. God is the creator, the father of all of us not literal parent(creator) George Washington is “the father of the country”, Adam & Eve are our Heavenly Parents, & Jesus Christ whom God has sent, people can’t belive this if they don’t know of the plan of salvation Beginning to End. Quran/Sharia Law VS The Bible as far as it is translated correctly. Choice 2012 Rule of Law- Constitution- Sharia Law- Koran (Quran) Guy in the WH speaks-reads-& Writes Arabic Mengaji recitation of Quran in Arabic. When all records & Doc’s are released from Ex-Order 2012 The Truth Will Set Us Free-The Truth will set our country & her people’s Free, & Our Friends in all parts of the world will again have respect for The United States of America. Our Military will not be taking orders from The #I Illegal in USA Dual Citizenship British/Indonesia, Don’t write a ck the Bank can’t cash, Not True of Barry Soetoro aka Barry Obama Aka Barry Durham FOIA Occidental Foreign Aid Application /Harvard Law 1986 Public Displinary Action Taken Cost the Soetoros Harvard Law License. Conn Soc Sec #, Passport Barry Soetoro, Selective Service Record Forged Doc- Hawaii births on microfilm Twins/Aug 3,61 Twins Aug 5,61 Nothing Aug 4,61? Flights from/To Honolulu Hawaii Passenger listing AOL Ect, Ect!

  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS from Australia

    First let me state that in my opinion if a Billionaire wants to spend or waste money on what appears to be unsuccessful advertising for poor candidates, then its really none of our business to complain because the advertisers and commercial producers and TV and other media will have won work and money for their efforts. $35 million is play money which might return far more if the right effect is achieved.

    Now my second point of view is that it has become apparent to me that many Republicans are really sociallists pretending to be capitalists when many with the big money wont support Dr Ron Paul. Why I must wonder? I say it is because many republican supporters of everyone else except the Ron Paul and associates policy view….is because they can make lots of money getting government jobs and contracts and programs which will continue to be expended with the current $Trillion budgets and deficiet spending programs that either the Democrats will continue to expend or if a Republican other than Dr Ron Paul or his supporters where to miraculously win…what they would continue to spend. I dont generally believe in conspiracy theories however I can see how the billionaires might want you to think they are supporting one view but in effect cant lose with the opposing range of policies. Gingrich is a dud waste in the Campaign and even I can see it all the way from Australia…but maybe his supporters are not really wanting him to win …but your system is rather complex from where I sit and yet I can see the billionaires making less money under Dr Ron Paul but more money under the Democrats and the other middle of road Republicans.

    • DaveH

      Good comment, Gilly.
      The significant thing, if Paul is elected, would be that certain Billionaires would actually have to compete for their money in Freer Markets rather than buying protection from their favorite Politicians with campaign contributions or other forms of bribery.

  • Bill W. Perkins

    Our school system is not teaching Economics or History any more, so our citizens are ignorant of what has failed in the past – economically or historically. Those who do not know history are destined to repeat the failures – over and over.
    If we were to pass a referendum in this country to put all legislators and federal employees on Social Security and Medicare for their retirement and health care, then those system would be fixed very quickly. Until then, do not expect many changes, no matter who is elected. Changes will be small. I like Ron Paul’s fiscal responsibility, but he has no chance to be elected president. I would love to have him Secretary of the Treasury. His best position is in the legislature as their responsible conscience.I should be working on new ideas for my copany, but I have been reading books on economics in the last two years.
    We are headed for an economic train wreck. The only question is, will the wreck be at full speed ahead or will congress try to slow the spending to minimize the crash. Bernacke has no clue. The people receiving a government check may still get a check, but it will not buy anything due to the government printing of MONEY. This is like Monoply Money. it has no value. When we expanded the Money Supply from $0.8 billion to $2.4 billion that will eventually (when it is all circulating) drop the purchasing power of the dollar to about $0.33.
    We have been there before. FDR dropped the dollar value 70% in his presidency. Read “New Deal or Raw Deal”. Here we go AGAIN

    BWPerk

    • DaveH

      Here we go again with the “Ron Paul has no chance” propaganda. Care to back that up with any realistic references, Bill?
      He handily dominates the Straw Polls where the voters have actually heard the various candidates speak. It seems the only way for Establishment Republicans to keep Ron from winning is to keep their minions from hearing him speak:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_polls_for_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012

      If Ron runs as a third party candidate (and I think he will), the Establishment Republicans’ suppression of the voters knowledge of Ron will become much tougher.

  • Bill W. Perkins

    That was $0.8 trillion to $2.4 trillion not billion.
    Sorry.

  • BWPerk

    Forget the Straw Polls on Ron Paul. Look at the state primaries. He is not winning. His percentages on primaries are low. It is too bad. George Soros likes Obama and Romney. What does that tell you?
    The last Third Party candidate was Ross Perrot, who fixed George Bush for his
    Read My Lips No new Taxes – Double Cross and allowed Clinton to win with 42% of the vote. A valid Third Party candidate will assure Obama a second term. Teddy Roosevelt
    did the same thing which allowed Woodrow Wilson to win, which was the kickoff to our socialism. Wilson hated the constitution and was a Racist too boot.
    Romney will be Bush III if elected. He is no conservative, but he is not Obama. It is depressing, but we must not stay home on election day.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Sad commentary on things, although correct. But I would take Bush 1, Bush 2 or a Bush 3 over this wanker that is in there now, who has proven to be shooting from the hip, not having a clue about what to do or where to go, only doing more and more damage to this country. He has got to go.

  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS IN AUSTRALIA

    I think I have said it before Chip, that in a free society everyone is permitted to spend their income or assets in any fashion which suits the owner of the funds. The Billionaires you refer to also have the freedom to spend their $35 million anyway it suits them. They are permitted to freely waste their money so that others may profit and thus keep the money circulating. Those profiting are the media TV, newspapers and other actors, production people utilitised to prepare and produce the ads. These people would pay taxes on the $35 million of wasted expenditure which I would argue is not a waste of money and certainly ensures that that money circulates faster through your economy and someone pays some taxes whist becoming employed for an extra period. It matters not that the advertising campaing may have failed. If the Billionaires had not spent their money…no new taxes or work would have been created.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    It isnt the billionaires that scare me, as I agree with the above post, that they are free to spend THEIR MONEY any way they chose. It is theirs. What is scary, is that the danger to America is the billionaires, or Barack Obama himself, it is a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency that to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man as their President. The problem is much deeper and far more serious that Mr. Obama, who is a mere syptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President. And that my friends, is the real fear.

  • Karena mcmullin

    I like Ron Paul!!! I also like his son rand! I agree with all Ron Paul’s ideas on the gold standard, free markets, and not being the policemen of the world. We need our troops home! I do believe he is defending the constitution and is the only consistent candidate running. Ron Paul, President 2012! : ).

  • Karena mcmullin

    I like RON PAUL!!!! I agree with bringing our troops home and not being the policemen of the world! I agree we need to use the gold standard and free markets and sound money. I believe in the us constitution and protecting our civil liberties. Less government the better! Ron Paul has been consistent and is the only honest candidate for the people. Romney says he needs advisors like talking to a lawyer before he can make any decisions this is not a leader he is a follower and he has already lied and flip flopped on issues we don’t need another obama and Romney is part of them.

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