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There’s A Downside To Vaccinations

October 13, 2011 by  

There’s A Downside To Vaccinations

Everyone reading this article most likely has been vaccinated at some time in his or her life. You probably thought you were doing something worthwhile to protect your health and well-being. What you undoubtedly did not realize was the downside to vaccinations which, unfortunately, is not adequately emphasized by physicians or the media.

Sad vaccine-related complications occur by the thousands — especially in infants, toddlers and teens — as documented by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). And a most sinister reaction can occur when vaccine-related symptoms appear similar to the effects of child abuse, prompting law enforcement officials to press charges against a parent or caregiver. The symptom is brain inflammation, and the criminal charge can be any one of several, but the most frequent is shaken baby syndrome.

In the 1980s, the CDC, the Food and Drug Administration and State health agencies began requiring that infants, toddlers and teens be vaccinated against numerous diseases, many of which had become self-contained with little or no health threats. Some examples include:

  • Pertussis (whooping cough) According to Vital Statistics of the United States and Historical Statistics of the United States: Colonial Times to 1970 Part 2, mortality rates went from 16 in 100,000 to two in 100,000 in 1942. The pertussis vaccine wasn’t even introduced until 1948. Pertussis vaccines cause a number of adverse reactions.
  • Influenza mortality rates in the United States went from 180 per 100,000 in 1933 to fewer than 10 in 100,000 in 1965. The flu vaccine was widely administered starting in the late 1980s. Senior citizens were targeted, and today many seniors suffer with Alzheimer’s disease. Is there some connection since flu vaccines contain aluminum, a neurotoxin, which stores in the brain? Aluminum has been implicated in dementias.
  • Measles deaths in England and Wales went from 1,200 in 1850 to fewer than 50 deaths in 1950. The measles vaccine was not introduced in England and Wales until 1965. The combination of measles, mumps and rubella vaccines into one vaccine has been linked to more adverse reactions.
  • Tuberculosis deaths in New Zealand went from short of 1,400 in 1880 to about 100 in 1951. The BCG (tuberculosis) vaccine was introduced in New Zealand in 1953.

Within 24 hours of birth, infants in the United States are vaccinated with the Hepatitis B vaccine. At 2, 4 and 6 months of age, infants receive a series of vaccines, sometimes as multiple vaccines in one dose or individual doses during one visit. Vaccines contain numerous neurotoxins capable of causing brain inflammation. Several vaccine adjuvants (Tween 20, Tween 80 and Triton X-100) are ingredients that were used in DDT sprayed on World War II servicemen. They are capable of causing apoptosis (cell “suicide”) and epileptic seizures, and some people believe they enable aluminum and mercury (thimerosal) to cross the blood-brain barrier.

Since a child’s immune system is not fully developed until about age 2, their bodies are not capable of dealing with all the toxic and poisonous ingredients found in vaccines injected into them (26 in their first year of life). To understand more about vaccines, I suggest you visit www.ThinkTwice.com.

Common vaccine reactions in infants are fussiness, uncontrollable screaming or fits, which may cause parents to seek hospital emergency room help. The symptoms often lead doctors to believe that abuse has occurred when, in reality, observed brain swelling or inflammation may be directly related to vaccines. Such reactions can happen shortly after a vaccination or over a prolonged period, since neurotoxins and poisons cause biochemical events that induce and prolong inflammation. If indeed the child has suffered trauma from being shaken and there are trauma marks on the body, then legal charges are in order.

The end result of abnormally prolonged lipid peroxidation may be abnormal brain inflammation with secondary brain edema (swelling). In essence, the brain might be compared with highly inflammable dry grass or brush enclosed in an area with elevated oxygen levels, needing only a spark to set off a conflagration of inflammatory lipid peroxidation. In all likelihood, vaccine adjuvants provide this spark far more often than generally realized, as Harold E. Buttram, M.D., and I wrote in our paper, “Vaccines and Brain Inflammation.”

To better understand what happens in the brain, as Dr. Buttram and I wrote:

In explanation, microglia and astrocytes are first-line immunological responder cells located in the brain that defend against foreign infectious invaders. Normally this response, such as to a viral infection, is of limited duration and harmless to the brain. However, when microglia and astrocytes are over-stimulated for prolonged periods, which vaccine adjuvants are designed to bring about, this extended activation can be very destructive to the brain causing inflammation and/or bleeding.

As a result of vaccine damage, a child can suffer many health anomalies, including the autism spectrum disorder, which has been a common childhood health anomaly since the 1980s when innoculation with numerous vaccines became mandatory. Other problems can include allergies (especially to foods). Childhood diabetes also appears to be on the rise, and there is speculation and some research pointing to vaccine-induced diabetes.

John Classen, M.D., of Finland said during a 1998 conference held by the American College of Medicine: “All autoimmune diseases are increasing in incidence. General immune (over) stimulation from vaccines is a cause of autoimmunity.”

Considering that today’s vaccines have been incubated in cell cultures of aborted fetuses, monkey kidneys and other animal tissues, this should give any thinking person pause to consider the possible implications involved in manufacturing, injecting and receiving vaccines.

Recently recombinant DNA has been found in the HPV vaccine given to girls as young as 9 years of age. There are no studies I know of validating the safety of recombinant DNA, and none are proposed. Why? Many young women have died after receiving an HPV vaccine injection. See www.TruthAboutGardasil.org.

Basically, a compromised child is left with lifelong health problems, the family is devastated, and infants and toddlers often are taken away from their parents and put in foster care while the courts press on with legal charges of shaken baby syndrome or any of several other legal charges. Many times, children who have glutaric acidemia are misdiagnosed with shaken baby syndrome. Emergency room physicians and nurses are not trained to perform proper medical tests that can exonerate parents of child abuse.

Numerous parents have had their children put up for adoption by the State because of the above, which, more often than not, is brain inflammation caused by vaccine reaction, which the FDA and vaccine makers deny. However, if you look closely at a vaccine package insert, you will see on some that brain inflammation is listed as an adverse reaction or contraindication. That is tacit proof that it can happen, I think. But who is to know whose or which child will suffer from brain inflammation? It seems like it’s a medically mandated crapshoot.

So many parents have been prosecuted legally for vaccine-induced brain inflammation as child abuse that they are fighting back. In August 2011, the Evidence Based Medicine and Social Investigation Conference took place in Vancouver, British Columbia, where numerous medical and legal experts discussed legal challenges defending those innocent but accused of criminal acts relating to child abuse that apparently can be traced to vaccine-induced brain inflammation, plus the failure of global legal systems to protect the innocent. That conference was the first of its kind. A similar conference is scheduled for August 2012.

The sad part about vaccinations is their often-irreversible downside, and brain inflammation is one that occurs often and condemns many perfectly healthy and beautiful children to a life with disabilities. However, the saddest part about the vaccine-induced brain inflammation issue, I think, is the CDC’s and FDA’s apparent disregard for what neurotoxins and other poisons in all vaccines really do to infants, toddler, teens, adults and senior citizens. Certainly, Congress should investigate what’s going on.

The answer as to why Congress probably won’t investigate can be found in the fact that in a September 2010 CDC report, nearly 90 percent of adults reported taking prescription drugs in the month before the report. Close to 75 percent of senior citizens take two or more prescription drugs, while 37 percent take five or more. However, it’s been noted that senior citizens who take multiple prescription drugs are at higher risks for falls, with as high as 15 percent interactions or adverse advents — even deaths. Aren’t vaccines pharmaceutical drugs?

In addition to brain inflammation, parents, Congress and the CDC and FDA, in particular, should be concerned with transcession, which may be taking place in human bodies. From a standpoint of future generations, there is the possibility that vaccines may be bringing about genetic hybridization in our children. In reality, that just may be the greatest hazard of today’s childhood vaccination programs.

–­ Catherine J. Frompovich

Catherine Frompovich

matriculated in holistic modalities and natural nutrition, earning advanced degrees in Nutrition and Holistic Health Sciences and a Certification in Orthomolecular Theory and Practice. She spent numerous years in practice as a consulting natural nutritionist and over 35 years in consumer health research and writing, which she continues in retirement. For years she worked as a healthcare rights advocate to ensure that the "powers to be" would not have their way in destroying complementary / holistic healthcare and its modalities as "quackery." For five years she edited The Healthcare Rights Advocate, a 32 page quarterly newsletter centered on the politics of healthcare in the 1980s. In the late 1980s and 1990s she represented holistic healthcare interests on Capitol Hill, Washington, DC. As a freelance journalist, Catherine wrote and produced two TV shows. One, "Turn Off The Violence," was nominated for the 1996 Telly Award. Her work has been published in The Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine and other holistic healthcare journals, airline travel magazines, community newspapers, national magazines, and online Internet forums. She is the author of several books on natural nutrition and holistic healthcare. Her last book, Our Chemical Lives And The Hijacking Of Our DNA, A Probe Into What's Probably Making Us Sick, is available here. She has new book scheduled for publication in 2012 that will be titled, A Cancer Answer: Holistic Breast Cancer Management, A Guide to Effective & Non-Toxic Treatments.

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  • FreedomFighter

    vaccination = Toxic Killshot %?

    Big Pharma is the only industry I feel the US Goverment should take over completely. The incentive to sell treatments and not cures is to great.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/ Terry A. Hurlbut

      I wouldn’t advise that. Do that and you’ll have the government coming up with drugs to control the military and people’s minds.

      The thing to do is to abandon the notion of “herd immunity”–the idea of literally thinking of human beings as if they were cattle. That, and get the government out of the education industry. Completely.

      • Sheepdog

        Wisely stated. Today’s problems are primarily the “government”.

        • Karen

          I completely agree. Big Government IS the problem!

        • Randy131

          Vaccinations are a good tool for a healthy life, if given at the right times, after the body has a chance to develop to a certain level. This, at the age of 64, I can attest to, but with the reservations I just stated. I received my first vaccinations at the age of 6 years old back in 1953, because we were very poor, I was the oldest of 5 children and my father had died before I turned 6 years old, and our mother was our sole support working for a nickel an hour at a Frisch’s Big Boy on Sunrise Boulevard in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. I remember how happy she was when she was raised from that nickel an hour to a dime an hour, plus the tips she made waitressing. Because of being poor, she could not afford required immunization vaccinations, so we did not get them until right before we entered school, which was the law we had to have them to attend school, and for which the Health Department then gave them free to all those who could not afford them, but had to have them to attend school, which also was the law. Therefore myslef and my siblings did not receive any vaccinations until the age of 6 years old, where are bodies had a chance to develop to a safe stage in order to receive them without any adverse effect, which today’s infants sometimes do. There is a British study that also affirms this theory, but the USA medical system refuses to honor it.

          • metalflyer11

            Even though the concept of vaccines appear to be a good one, the reality is very different. The history of how vaccines started is a joke and it was based on poor science, mostly assumptions. Pharma companies realised many years ago that the pandemic scares are a money pit for vaccine makers. Vaccines=money.
            No vaccine is safe regardless of what Big Pharma wants you to believe. They damage your inmune system. This is why the cases of allergies & neurological disorders continue to rise. In places where people do not vaccinate these cases are practicaly non-existent. Also vaccines are NOT REQUIRED for school entry regardless of what the school tells you. All states have wavers. Unfortunately the system allways persuades the people on believing that they are MANDATORY.

          • Subject of The Kingdom

            This years flu vaccine has 250 times the FDA limit for humans of Thermisol. In case you don’t know what that is; it is water soluble mercury. http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Thermisol

            Go ahead let them put that into your system. Trust the government!

          • Viola Perry

            I was born in Germany and received the necessary shots at birth and long before you. Those shots were a necessity. Today, they are giving shots that are controversial and unnecessary.

          • Aix Sponsa

            I have always believed that vaccinations are bad for your health. When my oldest son was vaccinated in 1972, within 36hrs he was in the hospital with a 106+ fever. I have not been vaccinated since I got that target on my left arm 55 yrs ago. A friend of mine is THE MAN at the big hospital who looks at the blood and determines which bacteria/virus is present. He told us 3 yrs ago that 95% of the people hospitalized for flu have had the flu vaccine. That is…. almost no one who is NON-vaccinated gets sick and comes to the hospital. Evidence indicates that autism and SIDS comes from vaccines. My DIL insisted that the new baby get vacciniated even though my son protested. OUCH.

          • Nancie

            I can’t believe how many ignorant people on this site are using anecdotal evidence for their claims. The drug companies don’t make the decisions about the use of vaccines, DOCTORS DO! Public Health has been around for more than a hundred years and vaccines have saved more human lives than you can even imagine. If a susceptible individual (or parent) refuses a vaccine, 1.They are selfish. They don’t want to risk a fever or adverse side effect, but expect to avoid the virus because “everyone else” is immunized. 2.They are ignorant. Yes, cases of life-threatening viral outbreaks are more rare than 100 years ago, but that doesn’t guarantee that you or your child will not contract the disease and die. 3.They are unable to rise up above the lowest plane of ethics. Those of us that are able to think in global terms (as opposed to just ourselves), are willing to act based on the common good. Doctors are held up to a higher ethical standard…They are the ones that make the decisions by evaluating the risk vs. the benefit of an action. They may work for the government, but they are DOCTORS. I think many of you are paranoid of the government to a fault. I’m a libertarian, but Public Health is one aspect of “government” that is absolutely necessary for the greater good.

          • LJM

            I have never had a vacine, never will.
            The gummint is a shill for Big Pharma via the FDA, which will approve anything if the money is right.

            I am a firm believer in WC Douglas and his view of medicine.

        • OWL

          We the population of the United States, are the problem, how did these greedy self serving political figures get into office?

          The government is US.

          Before you vote research the information. or don’t vote.

          I cannot believe the lack of responsibility citizens have taken for the mess we, in the USA are in, just like the folks in the government !

      • Davdi

        You really think the government dosen’t have drugs to control the military and peoples minds…?

        • rottweilerv

          You KNOW they do!

        • Robert Smith

          Anyone who attended boot camp is totally aware of Potassium nitrate being put into the food.

          Remember that old saltpetre?

          Actually that one was false.

          Rob

          • sunshineIQ

            My body dumps potassium. We need potassium to live. There’s more to it than we know about.

      • Tom Dolan

        While people are not cattle, like cattle we are most likely to catch and be harmed by diseases in other members of our species. Unlike cattle we have a moral sense and we can choose to seek for scientific understanding of the advantages and disadvantages to public health of widespread vaqccination protection against diseases which were justifiably feared two or three generations ago. As far as freedom from unjust governmental control, the rationale for vaccination is much like the justification of enforcement of criminal law against muggers and thieves. Innocent people are being protected from avoidable harm. Our freedoms should include as much as is practical freedom from private aggression of others or harm from the carelessness of others. We ought to be jealous of our rights and avoid governemnt usurpation of our rights. We also should insist that our public servants protect us as much as they can from violations of our rights, including the right to life, by selfish, superstitious, and misguided private individuals who are not disciplined enough to understandthe science behind vaccine policy.

        • Jazzabelle

          Tom Dolan wrote:
          “As far as freedom from unjust governmental control, the rationale for vaccination is much like the justification of enforcement of criminal law against muggers and thieves. Innocent people are being protected from avoidable harm.”

          Not similar at all, Tom. We don’t arrest muggers and thieves BEFORE they hurt someone. And we don’t arrest for the reason that we are protecting the next potential victim. We arrest them because they hurt someone in the past. Protecting innocent people from becoming victims in the future is a by-product of justice, not its purpose.

          Tom Dolan wrote:
          “We also should insist that our public servants protect us as much as they can from violations of our rights, including the right to life, by selfish, superstitious, and misguided private individuals who are not disciplined enough to understand the science behind vaccine policy.”

          Self-discipline, intelligence, and scientific education are not prerequisites to having fundamental human rights such as the right of conscience and the right to decide what to inject or not inject into one’s own body. When you argue in favor of forcing other people to submit to your medical wishes because you think you would otherwise be endangered, then the same logic can and probably will be used against you in the future. For example, it has been demonstrated that some vaccines cause adverse reactions in some people, including those that cause life-long problems and long-term strain on the medical services system. Your argument can be turned around to say: “Tom Dolan’s choice to vaccinate himself and his children creates an unacceptable risk of harm to himself and his children which will strain the ability of our medical system to cope with his ‘selfish, superstitious, and misguided’ insistence on injecting himself and his children with harmful chemicals to the detriment of society.” I can’t wait to hear all your whining when you can’t legally get vaccinations because of the above. But don’t worry; it’s not about your “rights;” it’s about finding BALANCE between your desires and the needs of society.

          • Tom Dolan

            I believe that your distinction between vaccines and law enforcement is correct. People are not, and, I hope, never will be arrested on the basis of what crimes they might commit, only on the basis of crimes they have committed with a quite high standard of ‘beyond a reasonable doubt.’ This is our country’s fundamental policy, which does, quite rightly, accepts some avoidable risk of crime, lest fundamental rights be abridged. There are some cases at the margi of criminals confined beyond the usual term because they are considered sexually dangerous, but they are convicted criminals. Of course, vaccination is not imprisonment. Nevertheless your point is valid aand well explained.

          • Tom Dolan

            I don’t fully understand your second main point, but I do understand the first sentence and it is one hundred percent correct and it is an important idea that we must never forget. Human rights are God-given and are not contingent or earned. (perhaps they can be said in some cases to be forfeited, but that is dangerous ground). For some one to disagree in such a cogent, clear, powerful way is such forums functioning at their best.

          • Tom Dolan

            What you write about finding a balance is correct and important.
            What you write about known, long-term ill effects of some vacines
            (there may also be unknown long-term ill effects also) is, also, of course correct and relevant (given the way that medical costsare socialized). It also matters that such ill effects are many orders of magnitude less frequent than the excess occurence of disease among the unvaccinated and their close contacts, such as children on playgrounds (and our society, for good or ill) has mandatory education. HPV is different, because it is not airborne, nor even is it spread by casual contact or by any contact allowed in well-run schools. The vaccine may be a very good idea, but mandatory? Only diseases spread by casual contact with someone without obvios symptoms bring into play the rights of those who may contract a dnagerous, preventable disease. On the other hand, HPV is more easily spread than is widely understod and condoms are of very limited value in preventing its spread, so, people, be careful out there.

          • Jazzabelle

            Tom,

            What I wrote about balance was sarcastic, sorry that wasn’t clear.

            Glad we seem to be having a productive exchange.

          • OWL

            Vaccines are essential!!

            If you doubt it, read or even better go to a country where people continue to die, of small pox’s, whooping cough, polio, and even measles.

            Diphtheria is another one. Take a look, once you see what the misery is, ask yourself if you love someone would you want them to experience that disease?

            Also, fear of dying is not the problem it is the fear of living.

            When a society stops thinking about others, as is happening in the USA, we are going to have hundreds if not thousands dying from a disease.

            Today, hundreds of people are suffering from air pollution, and yes some are dying.

            Non thinking people think its because of smokers.
            So the public becomes hostile to smokers and demand smoking not be allowed.

            For every year this attack on smokers has been occurring, the government regulators have lowered the pollution control laws, today our air is unhealthy, actually unfit to breath, yet the Republicans want to again, reduce funding for legal enforcement of air pollution, not to mention warming.

            Speaking of smoking, the USA has by law demanded additives be used in the manufacturing of Cigarettes, to the point if you smoke, cigarettes are safer from Europe made cigarettes.

          • Tom Dolan

            I think that your distinction between the purpose of our criminal justice system and our public health system, while sound, may be too strong. There are four main purposes or goals given for incarceration of criminals: rehabilitation, deterrence, just punishment, and incapacitation. There is no good reason to believe that much rehabiltation occurs, and it is hard to know hom much others are detered by the incarceration of convixcts. But we know damn well that incapacitation does work. While inside some convicts pey on other inmates and assault the correctional staff, but I and the vast majority of us are safe from them until they are let go. If they are middle-aged when they leave prison, then their likelihood of commiting violent crimes will be much less, if for no other reason than less vigor and lower testosterone levels.

        • karel Eekels

          Words of wisdom and knowledge, Mr. Dolan. Rationale and sound medical and scientific evidence data goes out of the window the moment politics and government become involved.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Why on earth, would you ever trust the Government? You are a fool if you do. I trust myself and myself alone.

      • Robert Smith

        Why should I trust you?

        Rob

        • Sheepdog

          Ignorance is rampant, if you read the comment nobody ASKED you to trust them.

          • dv

            Yes and just look at every drugstore and even Walmart and grocery stores. Get your flu shot here. Then when you get in the cashiers are asking or should I say telling you too. Maybe this is a way to condition the public to thinking they need them so when we are eventually forced to have them some will be cooperative. Scary stuff with all the shots they give little babies and Doctors, states, schools basically mandating them. How do we stop this??? I am really becoming frightened at all the regulations and force or seeming force that we must do this. That and all our medical records being put on line. No more doctor patient relationship. Please suggest ways to stop this control of our medical issues. I don’t even want to go to the doctor anymore

          • Average Joe

            ‘Scary stuff with all the shots they give little babies and Doctors, states, schools basically mandating them. How do we stop this???”

            Even though most schools tell you that vaccinations are mandatory, they are misleading you (mostly because they themselves don’t know any better, they simply follow the “memo”). The truth is, with most municipalities, you have the right to opt out by simply signing a “Waiver” for your child. When I tried to enroll my daughter a few years ago, they tried to tell me that it was mandatory for her to have the shots and couldn’t fathom how she had gone this long (she was 15 at the time) without the shots. I pointed out that I had signed a waiver on religious grounds at each of the other schools and she was permitted to attend. Well, they tried to tell me that I couldn’t do that here and that unless she got all of the shots on the list (about 40 different shots), she could not attend…I told them, “That’s fine, I guess she won’t be attending”. Of course I got the..”if she doesn’t attend, you will be arrested for keeping her out of school and she will be taken from you”. For two weeks I heard no more from them. Then, the day before school was to start, I got a call from the school requesting that I come in and sign the waiver…and poof…she was allowed to go to school…without the shots and vaccinations. The only reason that you can opt out (as far as know), is because of religious reasons…and the state cannot abridge those rights…..So, simply object for religious reasons and sign the waiver….works every time.

            The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.
            John F. Kennedy

          • Tom Dolan

            This can be considered (by me, for example) unecessarily insulting.

            Why offend with style when you can offend with substance?

          • Robert Smith

            From dv: ” That and all our medical records being put on line.”

            I WANT an ER doctor to have instant access to my records if I have been in an accident or have any sort of medical emergency. There are so many interactions that can cause problems I feel safer knowing there is a place to check.

            Besides, what’s the big deal about anyone knowing I have high blood pressure (controlled) or sleep apnea (controlled)?

            Rob

            Rob

        • Capitalist at Birth

          I did not ask you to trust me. I would suggest that you trust no one but yourself.

          • Old Henry

            And the Lord Capitalist.

            “Trust not in thine own understanding”.

        • Ginger

          Wow, maybe YOU should trust the government if you can’t even understand a simple saying.

          • Kate8

            Gosh, what you guys are all missing is that BigPharma and gov’t are all part of the same club! They are also in bed with the MIC.

            They already ARE experimenting on the military men…and the rest of us, as well, all the time.

            Our modern medical system was started by the Rockefellers. So many people still don’t get that the world elites own EVERYTHING, including the medical system and our government. One hand feeds the other.

            The answers to today’s ills and injustices are never going to come from the government…they have sold us out long ago and ARE the problem. They answers are going to come from only one thing…that we all take back control over OUR OWN LIVES. There is no room for compromise here.

          • DaveH

            Well said, Kate.

          • http://www.nikken.com/lljintl LLJINTL

            Kate is right…the only possible solution is taking back our lives and country from those with power and control issues and not our best interest at heart…even tho’ they say so. It begins with education…each person must do their due diligence to educate themself and seek the truth…not just believe what is being rammed down their throat. I left my doctor and went to a great naturopath and am on the path to health, naturally. There are horrendous injustices being done in this country, and when I offer the medically and scientifically proven truth to some who are under their spell, sometimes they choose the path of death and prescriptions as that’s what the guy in the white coat told them to do…who is often extrememly ignorant, but they deny themselves life and truth by believing someone who just doesn’t know. Like, it’s proven tap and bottled waters are acidic and oxidizing, Brita also, and you can prove this yourself, and they are bad for human health. The human body needs clean, healthy, alkaline water for optimum health. There is no money in healthy people, so docs would prefer people not get healthy as the sick care system that we are under needs thier fees and drug sales to survive… a system corrupt from the inside out. Wellness is the future and the internet is filled with info on it. http://www.AWakeUpStory.org is the why, http://www.nikken.com/lljintl is a great place to see natural methods to prevent illness and repair damage. I could go on for hours. Be well!

          • Kate8

            There is a reason why MDs have one of the highest suicide rates.

            It doesn’t take long before they realize that they aren’t really helping anyone, and are often causing damage. They also have no autonomy to use their own intelligence in practicing their “art”, but must adhere to a standard procedure schedule, even though it is shown to be, at the least, ineffective.

            Doctors have become little more than agents for BigPharma, and now the whole system is turning on them, as well. The medical system is utterly corrupt. While they do save lives, and perform seeming miraculous surgeries and such, the main body of practice is contrary to natural life.

          • Tom Dolan

            As a nurse let me suggest that one should worry much more about the Medical Industrial COmplex t han about the mic Gen Eisenhower warned about fifty years ago. things have changed and we spend at least three times as much on health care as on our national defense.

        • DaveH

          You don’t need to trust us, Robert, we’re not the ones trying to force our way on you.

          • Kate8

            DaveH – Bravo, and also well said.

          • Old Henry

            Hey DaveH:

            Somebody (JeffH? HA!) really p*ss off eddie yesterday? I haven’t seen him around today. LOL!

      • mark

        Don’t even trust yourself. Everyone is out to kill everyone – every minute of every day. Repeat this in your mind every three seconds every waking day of your life. Everyone is out to kill me! Everyone is out to kill me! Everyone is out to kill me! After about a year of this, its offical: you’re a libertarian.

        • JeffH

          mark, mark, mark says “Repeat this in your mind every three seconds every waking day of your life. Everyone is out to kill me! Everyone is out to kill me! Everyone is out to kill me! After about a year of this, its offical: you’re a libertarian”

          Gee, to think it only took one comment from you, mark, mark, mark, to figure out that you’re just another liberal lackey…imagine that!

          • Jay

            mark, repeat this three times a day; i’m a liberal lackey, i’m a liberal lackey, i’m a liberal lackey. After about a year of this, its offical: you’re brain dead!

        • DaveH

          That’s the dumbest comment I’ve heard from you yet, Mark. Do you practice your comedy routines on 2 year olds?

          • JeffH

            Probably on eddie! They laugh at each other… :)

      • Tom Dolan

        In the complex, modern world, every time we ride in an elevator, open a can of food, cross a bridge, or drive a car, we are, unconsciously and for the most part, prudently, trusting people whose names we don’t know, people we never will meet. All we always justified in such trust? No, but to live a normal life, we must trust others, and, the vast majority of the time, our trust is justified. There is no perfect safety or security this side of the grave, and seeking for that chimera is often a dangerous as well as futile endeavor. The remedy for untrustworthy civil servants or elected officials are: the ballot box, newspapers, law courts, and public education. A small percentage of parents abuse or neglect their children. Does that mean that removing children from the care of their parents is warranred, safe, practical, of just? Of course not! With the exception of the small percentage of parents known to have hurt their children, most parents are the natural and best protectors of their children’s welfare. Similarly many government workers daily prove their trustworthiness as they fight fires, patrol streets,
        repair roads, and teach our children.

        • defendliberty

          Tom Dolan said ” most parents are the natural and best protectors of their children’s welfare.” Well said. Parents know their children best and therefore ought to have the right to make vaccination decisions in the best interest of their children. This is really the key.
          Most serious, life-altering reactions to vaccines have occurred when an individual had a minor negative reaction from a prior vaccine of the same type. So when one of my kids had a minor reaction, I refused to have him take the next in the series. Our doctor tried to tell me that it wasn’t a reaction – just coincidental timing. But my mother’s heart knew better because I know my own. As a parent, I will do what’s best for my children.
          And no, I don’t hold doctors in such high esteem as you appear to. They do what they are taught.
          Also, if vaccines truly are as effective as they claim to be, then no one who vaccinates their kids should feel medically threatened by those who aren’t vaccinated.

    • rosina

      The government would not do this. WHY?
      They would have to give up all that ‘money’ they receive as bribes to pass bills that favour the big companies.
      How do you think that horrendous RUINCARE ACT was passed by Obama and his cronies–agreements from pharma, aarp and AMA-the last two without consulting anyone of their subscribers (AARP) and AMA only 20% of doctors. How much did they receive BACK from taxpayers money afterwards?

      • Sam I am

        any senior citizen with an AARP supplement insurance card is a complete fool.

        • Zaneman

          Any senior citizen that is a card carrying member should come to the realization that aarp is no friend to them. They should take a second look at AMAC for an organization the will truly represent senior citizens. Aarp,Aarp are idiots for abandoning we seniors like they have.

        • DaveH

          AARP has been a Liberal organization as far back as I can remember. They somehow managed to hide that from most people.

          • JeffH

            They lost my membership when they opened my eyes with their sellout and support of Obamacare but it hasn’t stopped all the junk mail I recieve no matter how many times I return it, call or email them to cease.

          • tonyd

            the president of aarp was on the oreiley factor and was totally frazzeled when oreilly asked if aarp was a liberal organization.aarp received 1 billion dollars over 10 years for their support for obamacare;I signed up with AMAC WHICH IS MORE FRIENDLY TO THE SENIORS!Not the type of liberal agenda of aarp.

        • Tom Dolan

          May I suggest that your staement may be overbroad and may rest on no evidence at all. If you are defining a fool as someone with an AARP card, then you are using that word in a sense not widely used. Otherwise, ought you not have some evidence for your statement. Also there is an important difference between saying a particular course of action is foolish and calling all who take that action fools. We all do folish things. Not everyone is a fool. Not even everyone who makes insulting generalizations without evidence is a fool.

      • Tom Dolan

        While this may be true about recently passed federal legislation (it is so complicated that a wise man might hesitate to judge without much study), it has no bearing on vaccination policy which is not a partisan matter and has been policy formualted by non-political experts for generations with results which are so favorable that we are short sightedly forgetting the terrible plagues of polio and other feared diseases which, in my lifetime, ravaged community after community. Let us not tear down the protection so laboriously built up, just because we don’t daily see the ravages of TB or measles. I had the then-usual childhood diseases:measles, mumps, varicella, and rubella. Like most children they did me no lasting harm. Tens of thousands of children my age, older, and even a few younger, died or were permanently harmed by these supposedly benign childhood diseases. Should I subject my son or his play mates to these scourgesw when there are protections available, merely because of some fancy, non-scientific talk about black heliocopters, Elders of Zion, Trilateral Commissions, or microwave radiation? The great lie about autism and thimerosal was not a harmless one. There are children now dead in thge U.K. because of that great lie.

        • sherry lee

          New here, but I must say this is the same ole scare tactic I hear everywhere! “You all don’t remember these diseases that killed and maimed everybody, because you where vaccinated against them!” They work,see! Did you read the article? You can find these grafts anywhere! Morbitity and mortality reports! Everything runs it’s course! The more people who got these diseases, the more people became immune! (naturally, I might add!) Then mothers passed these titers on to their newborn babies for up to a year, when they are the most vulnerable! God,Mother Earth, The Universe, whatever you call it! In it’s infinite wisdom, has thought of everything!! Can a drug or vaccine do that? When was the last time you where vaxed against Polio? Pertussis? I see you didn’t have these in childhood, so you are not immune, and need booster shot’s! As we all do! I haven’t been vaxed since 1970 something! My mother since 1940 something! Although they did get measles and the mumps! If most of us adults are walking around unvaxed,(The Horror) These diseases should be running rampant, not because I chose to not vax my child, but because we are unvaxed! The only childhood disease I had was Chicken Pox! Children are getting the diseases from the live vaccines! Polio is rampant in third world countries where they still use the live oral vax, which the U.S. has stopped using because it caused and spreed Polio! Why are we using it on these malnutritioned children, who may pee or poop in their yard, then it gets in the water and goes down stream, and somebody gets it! But the don’t know what to use, bacause WE HAVE AN INACTIVATED POLIO VAX THAT DOES NOT DO THIS! So they will just vax more people! There’s a plan! Keep doing the same thing, and hope for differnt results! That’s where the helicopter comes in! Either they are severelly incompetent, stupid or have another ageenda! It doesn’t take a rocket scientist, because I know they aren’t stupid, otherwise they wouldn’t be making off with our money! The MMR=Autism debate was not debunked, by the way! They nailed it on a technicality, an ethics question! They never debunked his evidence, just ethics! Another helicopter swoops on by!

          • Mike C

            The survivors pass on their better immune systems, the rest of the population dies or is otherwise damaged. That “worked” for thousands of years, but why allow unnecessary sickness and suffering if it can be prevented. Natural selection and evolution are wonderful things, but maybe you believe we should go back to living in caves or grass huts, too.
            Please educate yourself (with facts, not opinions) and learn to think independently.

          • Nancie

            Yes Sherrie, it is unethical to lie and fudge your data. His study was unethical because a scientist should use sound principles when conducting a study. His data was amassed by selective subjects and he used anecdotal, subjective information to come to an unscientific conclusion. Professionals have a code of ethics they abide by.

          • Tom Dolan

            Unfortunately the idea that all widesprad diseases run their course as immunity builds up is not the way this world works. For many decades malaria and tuberculosis are among the leading killers of children in this world,with no lessening of the death rate in sight.
            For people in wealthy countries like ours, our life style and climate offer protection from malaria, and some protection from t.b.
            But as antibiotic resistance grows infectious diseases are becoming a greater p[roblem, not a lesser one.

          • Tom Dolan

            There is NO EVIDENCE linking thimerosal or any vaccine to autism. After thimerosal wasremovedfrom vaccines in California, the autism rate continued to clomb. It is a strange cause whose absence results in more of the presumed effect. There is actually no known risk factor for autism – and scientists are lookuing hard for them.

    • Stephan F.

      FreedomFighter:

      I don’t think you understand the ramifications of your statement — be careful what you wish for. Do you really want to give govt carte-blanche control over the manufacturing of drugs? You must be joking. The problems with the FDA are absolutely monumental, and the bottom line is this fact: the FDA is responsible for the deaths of untold thousands of people who didn’t have access to drugs due to delays and restrictions imposed by that same agency that could have saved their lives. In addition, the problem isn’t so-called “Big Pharma”; it’s the cronyism that’s created by the involvement of government with big businesses who vie for govt’s monopolistic favors.

      To take a quote from “Why Government Doesn’t Work” by the great Harry Browne, “You’ve been told by teachers, journalists, and politicians that the govt is there to protect us, to be impartial, to care only for the public good. So it’s not surprising if you believe the FDA and other govt agencies are different than the Post Office. But all govt agencies are run by bureaucrats whose advancement has nothing to do with satisfying customers. They are there to put in their time. The FDA is simply the Post Office for medical progress — with very long waiting lines.”

      • FreedomFighter

        Well taken points, goverment is even more corrupt than private entities.

        Sad state of affairs in my opinion.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • Kate8

          FreedomFighter – Whew! You had me worried there for a minute.

          The medical system was set up to be an eventual avenue of total control of the people…in fact, it is becoming a MAIN avenue under O’care.

          It is also and endless source of mega-money to fund the elite’s sinister programs, often guised as “research”. They need endless masses of people moving through the halls of hospitals and clinics everywhere, everyday, and to do this, they need us all to be chronically ill and completely dependent on them. We are strongly discouraged from seeking more natural and sensible answers, and when we begin to see through that, they simply outlaw our sources.

          Now they are going to our schools, preying on the innocence and trust of our children. Here in CA, Moonbeam just signed a bill cutting parents out of the decision for Guardisil vaccine…they will now go to the schools (without parental notification) and badger girls in to receiving the vaccine (make their own decision).

          The government uses pharma to do much of their dirty work. We should never trust them FOR ANYTHING AT ALL. They have declared war on We the People, and it is up to us to act accordingly.

          • DaveH

            Kate,
            Do you have a link to that new law? I’d like to send it to my daughter, and hopefully prevent my granddaughter from suffering it.

          • Old Henry

            Kate:

            “and it is up to us to act accordingly”

            And to use Democrap terminology: “It’s time to take the sons of bitches out and send them straight to hell”.
            This message approved by Little Barry.

          • JeffH

            Gov. Jerry Brown signed into law three health care bills, including two designed to protect teenagers from skin cancer and sexually transmitted diseases.

            One bill will make California the first state to make it illegal for teenagers than 18 to use tanning beds.

            The second will let children as young as 12, without their parents’ consent, be vaccinated against human papillomavirus, known as HPV, the leading cause of cervical cancer.

            http://www.ivpressonline.com/news/quicknews/ivp-gov-brown-signs-california-health-care-legislation-20111010,0,2897857.story

          • Kate8

            Old H – Once again, well said! :)

          • Kate8

            Thanks, JeffH. I received notice of it in an email newsletter. Now I don’t have to go looking for it.

            Old Moonbeam is, yet again, revealing his true colors, isn’t he?

            Of course, it’s not as if it’ any surprise.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, gotta watch him like a hawk…He also signed 3 anti-gun laws and vetoed another SB427. Unfortunately, the only reason he vetoed this bill was because of the pending lawsuit against its predecessor, AB 962. The AB962 ammo registration law was overturned in court earlier this year and is being appealed by the atate.

            He did sign Senate Bill 610, which standardizes the application process for a permit to carry a concealed handgun and removes the requirement that a CCW applicant obtain liability insurance as a condition of obtaining a CCW permit.

          • Old Henry

            Jeff:

            All gun laws are illegal laws per the 2nd Amendment – shall not be infringed.

            Illegal laws are not to be obeyed.

          • Marten

            Good Kate8…That is what brain dead Americans can never understand because it is contrary to what they were told their whole lives, starting with school…they dont understand that the Government underwrites and enforces virtual Monopolies, because it has the legal power backed-up by guns & prisons….

        • rottweilerv

          Oh YEAH!!

        • Tom Dolan

          To the extent that that is true, it is because of the lack of market discipline in which private concetrns which don’t please customers, will, usually go out of business. Nevertheless there are many civil servants who do care ahbout the ‘customer, ‘ including some who risj=k their lives routinely for strangers – we call them fire fighters, police officers, soldiers, Marines, and others. And many government workers, especially at hte local level can lose their jobs, if they neglect their ‘customers.’ School teachers are an example. It is not being a govenrment worker which makes anyone
          do a bad job, it is lack of accountability. We must be sure to hold our public servanrs accountable As fas as vaccine policies, they are made primarily on the basis of scientists, physicians, epidemiologists, and nurse, who for the most part work for universities, think tanks, private oracrices, and other private concerns. Such decisions are often based on well settled scientific knowledge with political or philosophical diffeences playing little if any role.

    • Sam I am

      Lol, semper fi my butt. You are a coward. Use alternative medicines NO MATTER WHAT and prepare for ARMED INVASION when the RAPID STATE breaks down your door and threatens to MURDER your family. Where as you once had the courage to face down mortar shells and machine gun fire, you don’t have the courage to lift the middle finger to the law when the law itself is pure evil.

      Semper fi, do or die, gung ho gung ho

      • FreedomFighter

        “you don’t have the courage to lift the middle finger to the law when the law itself is pure evil.”

        oh but I do, with both.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • DaveH

          You’re obviously a very self-confident man, FreedomFighter, to take all that verbal abuse so stoically. Good for you.

          • JeffH

            Agreed! Self-confidence is all to often confused with arrogance.

    • Sheepdog

      You TRUST the government with medicines? Do you recognize the CDC abbreviation? Do you know who/what this is? Have you read all/any of your governmment’s new health plan? Your government is aborting living unborn “babies”. Your government SHOULD be in the forefront PROTECTING them. You trust it if you like!

    • Insurgent

      I hope you do not procreate!

    • http://SBCglobal CCLE

      I think you are completely WRONG!
      The Government IS THE PROBLEM! They are in cohoots with big pharma!
      Take Aspartane, Nutra sweet commisioned the research but when the scientists came back with 100% of their test specimens getting BRAIN TUMORS from Aspartane, they still went ahead with production. The scientists wer so upset they called for Congressional hearings. I happen to see these hearings and even after they presented all their evidence the FDA went ahead and approved the use of Aspartane! It absolutely causes BRAIN TUMORS, but it’s in all Cokes, most Sodas and God knows how many other products we consume daily!

      • ValDM

        CCLE,
        In addition to Aspartame, you should know about margerine. Since margerine was approved by the FDA way back in the way back for human consumption, it has become known that margerine is ONE molecule away from plastic. Butter is better, even if it is fat.

        • Old Henry

          Yes ValDM. I banned margarine from the house, ah, many moons ago. My dad would not allow it either, but I think that was due to being raised on a farm in the 20s and 30s.

          I read some time ago that margarine was originally developed to fatten turkeys faster. It killed them. So, to recoup the investment they marketed it to the public as a “healthy” alternative to butter.

          Ever see margarine mold?

          • Kate8

            So right, Old H. Butter is better.

            And ValDM, fats have gotten a bad rap. More harm has been done to people’s health since the villification of fats…good fats are necessary to the proper funcioning of our bodies. Eating fat does not necessarily translate into body fat…empty carbs are much more damaging and fattening.

            I think this was, no doubt, the intent. Just like the villification of salt, which has caused even MORE heart disease. Whole sea salt is a great source of trace minerals.

          • Old Henry

            Kate:

            “empty carbs are much more damaging and fattening”

            And shampoo. Ever look at the label? It says “Adds body”! I have shaved my head….

          • Tom Dolan

            There is compelling evidence that monosaturated fats are healthier than saturated fats (butter) or polyunsaturated fats (margarine) and that trans fats are less healthy than the three naturally occuring fats – although the whoe thing is more complicated that what I have said or than I understand. But there is a lot of evidence from epidemilogical studies, randomly controlled clinical studies, animal models, and basic science which bear on this question. And one can find this evidence in an accessible form. But I suggest that however good a source sea salt is of trace minerals is of vanishingly small importance, absent any evidence of any one eating a diet at all normal suffering from deficiencies of any trace minerals. Even vitamin deficiencies are found almost entirely in children whose parents are feeding their children based on some hippy-dippy theory – and damn few of them. Some people are slat-sensitive and some people do see lower blood pressure when they lower their dietary sodium intake. We are all entitled to our own opinions, but we are not entitled to our own sets offacts. If this matters to you, then as the
            great Lawrence Peter (Yogi)Berra says, You can look it up.

        • Tom Dolan

          While none of us may be sure of much, there are epidemiological methods which can reliably quantify and compare t he adverse effects of vaccines and the benefits of vaccines. People who avoid vaccines because they do not fear the diseases they prevent are thinking in a similar way to people who see no need for smoke alarms, sprinkler systems, and fire departments, because of the much lower loss of life that has resulted from these life-saving innovations.

          • Jazzabelle

            Tom Dolan wrote:
            “People who avoid vaccines because they do not fear the diseases they prevent are thinking in a similar way to people who see no need for smoke alarms, sprinkler systems, and fire departments, because of the much lower loss of life that has resulted from these life-saving innovations.”

            Except that smoke alarms, sprinkler systems, and fire departments don’t cause brain damage and death in a certain percentage of the population.

          • Tom Dolan

            It is at least plausible that hearing loss from the excess noise of alarms and the operation of fire departments and ambulances is much more prevalent that the brain damage you mention. The best estimates of most serious adverse effects which are actually caused by vaccines rather than those which happen after vaccination are often in the neighborhood of 1/1,000,000 or so and are only found by very sophisticated, but imperfect methods.

          • Jazzabelle

            I think the difference between your approach and mine, Tom, is that you consider the small number of “adverse reaction” victims to be expendable, and I don’t.

            Also, many people believe the incidence of adverse events is much greater than you indicate.

        • Jazzabelle

          I agree that butter is better. But, margarine being one molecule away from plastic has nothing to do with it. Lots of harmful substances are “one molecule away” from beneficial substances. They are nothing alike. One molecule, in scientific terms, is a huge difference. Please do some research before repeating this one again.

          • Tom Dolan

            You explain things so clearly. I thought something like what you wrote, but I couldn’t formualte it well enough to post it. You make it clear amd easy to remember.

      • Carol J

        Aspartame is NOT in all Cokes. I’m sitting here looking at a can of Cherry Coke. It does not contain aspartame. It has “high fructose corn syrup”. In other words, the same thing as regular sugar. Make sure you know the facts before making blanket statements.
        And how did we get off of the subject?? This is supposed to be about vaccinations. When I was forced to have the smallpox vaccine, I ended up with an infection in my lower left arm. A drain had to be emplaced to get rid of the pus. 65 years later I still have the 2 dimpled scars in my arm. I’m no longer seeing my primary care doctor. Why? you ask. He insists at my age I need a flu shot——in spite of the fact he knows I am allergic to chicken eggs in which the vaccine is grown. I have tried to find out how the pneumonia vaccine is incubated, but can find nothing about how it’s grown.

        • Karolyn

          I hope you’re just looking at it and not drinking that crap, Carol!

        • Jazzabelle

          Carol J wrote:
          “I’m sitting here looking at a can of Cherry Coke. It does not contain aspartame. It has “high fructose corn syrup”. In other words, the same thing as regular sugar. Make sure you know the facts before making blanket statements.”

          That is laughable, Carol. High fructose corn syrup is NOT the same thing as regular sugar. Not only does it have all kinds of negative side effects, it was actually found to contain MERCURY.

          I concur with Karolyn. Read the label, but do yourself a favor and don’t drink the stuff.

        • Lauren

          Carol J ~

          Regarding your comment that corn syrup is the same as sugar. Looks like you’ve been watching too much television. The argument that the sugar in corn syrup is the same as the sugar in sugar cane [or sugar beets] made by industry in television advertising is a RED HERRING. And I have noticed that the more something is advertised, generally the worse it is. Pay attention and you will begin to notice that this is true.

          I believe that the REAL ISSUE is that virtually ALL of the corn and ALL the sugar beets in America are GENETICALLY MODIFIED (GM). Eighty percent of the processed food in your grocery store contains GENETICALLY MODIFIED ORGANISMS (GMOs), and THAT is the REAL ISSUE.

          The
          I just wanted to let you know

          • Carol J

            Please give us the link to the site which shows that all corn and beets are genetically modified. Anytime anyone says “ALL”, I don’t believe it. My Dad worked for C & H Sugar 45 years and we used Karo(corn syrup) as much as sugar for cooking. And for you who don’t know what C & H stands for, it’s California and Hawaiian. I don’t and won’t use beet sugar. It even tastes different from cane sugar.

      • Tom Dolan

        Public authorities who track adverse drug events, including those related to vaccines have no interest financial or otherwise in the manufacturers of vaccines. And the so-called side-effects of vaccines are often not side-effects at all, but coincidences. Those side effects that do happen are identified by careful epidemiological work by trained scientists and clinicians, many on government payrolls.

    • DaveH

      The problem IS the Government, FreedomFighter, and their assumed Force. The most heinous intrusion on a person’s life (other than execution) is to Force people to allow foreign bodies injected into their bodies. That should strictly be a matter of choice by the people or in the case of children their parents.

      • Christine

        We would be much better off with no food and drug regulation than with what the FDA provides. There is such a good-ole-boys club between the FDA, Pharma, & the politicians. If we eliminated the FDA, 3rd party testing agencies would appear (similar to CE & UL for electronics). These companies would know that they would only be paid to do testing, if they did a good job and the public trusted them. If they started OKing all drugs & food, the public wouldn’t trust them and the corporations wouldn’t have an incentive to pay for their testing. The free market works better than anything the government can do.

        Also, we would be free to use our own good judgement to decide what to eat or what drug was worth the side-effects. It would also help the natural/alternative treatments to flourish instead of being swept under the rug, like they are now. Many of the alternative treatments work as well or better than the comparable drugs and have fewer side-effects. But anyone with intelligence knows that just because something is “natural” doesn’t guarantee that it is safe. Everyone should use due dilligence on anything you put in your body.

        • Kerri

          I think this is a great point, Christine. Third party testers would be a lot more reliable than the FDA. I always say ‘follow the money and you’ll find the motivation’.

      • Tom Dolan

        Parents who attempt to ‘free-load’ on the herd immunity resulting from the vast majority of parents who do have their children vaccinated are acting an a selfish way that threatens the well being of those with whom their children come in contact. Some people can not receive vaccines and they are not one hundred percent effective, Therefore refusing to have your children vaccinated unjustly threatens the health of chidren who can not benefit from vaccinations, making it more likely that they will be exposed to sometimes life-threatening, airborne infections.

        • Mom of Asperger’s

          As a mother of a child who has Asperger’s, which research has been proving to be caused by the preservatives in the vaccines, not to mention the proof that vaccines can cause harm to the immune system, I resent that you say my ‘choice’ is ‘free-loading’, because, by your own definitions, the children who ARE vaccinated would NOT be at risk (by the ‘safety net’ of the vaccine!) from my child if he is not vaccinated–only MY child would be at risk, but in my opinion the risk to his health is just as, if not greater, FROM the vaccines.

          If there is no money in the drug business, then why are billions spent on research and advertising (advertising that has increasingly long statements in small print that cite all the side-effects and dangers taking this drug could pose), and where did THAT money come from? MY pocket!

          A friend of mine has 3 children in three stages of life with 3 variations on their vaccines: the oldest, now in high school, received ALL the ‘required’ vaccines and is very ill with several developmental issues, they stopped giving the second child vaccines in grade school after discovering what was happening to the first child–the second has ADHD and developmental issues, the third child received NO vaccines and at 5 yrs old is perfectly healthy with no developmental issues–coincidence? I think not, especially when she had the third child at 40.

          Doctors are NOT perfect and they do NOT have ALL the answers, and no, I don’t trust someone who spent over $200,000 on education because it’s more than likely he needs to pay back a huge college loan and make payments on the extravagant lifestyle he has chosen, IE: the BMW, the country club dues, the 5,000+ sq ft home with the heated indoor pool, the 3 carat diamond ring for his now-ex-wife and kids… I will never have those things unless I win the lottery because I have spent all my money on life-time health care issues CAUSED BY DOCTORS during my childhood. A man who spent over $200,000 on education sent me home with the FLU and when I could no longer even crawl to the bathroom, another doctor told my parents that I, as an untouched and even un-kissed virgin, had given myself an ABORTION, when I actually had a ruptured appendix and nearly DIED, which left me almost infertile and only with one fallopian tube, and full of internal scar tissue that causes problems to this day. MY child is a GOD-GIVEN MIRACLE bestowed years AFTER I quit very expensive fertility treatments and opted or natural healing, and I went and put my faith back in doctors and they screwed me again by damaging my child with vaccines to MAKE MONEY FOR THEIR STOCK INTERESTS.

          • waffleman

            Hello Mom of Asperger’s,

            I’m in full agreement with you. I feel your pain. I posted last Friday about my daughters. I just took my youngest (8 yrs old) to Devos Childrens hospital for her quarterly diabetes check-up. If I had any idea 12 years ago about the risks involved with vaccines I never would have had my girls get them. My youngest would most likely not have type 1 diabetes now. And for all of you who don’t know, type 1 is not caused by a poor life style and or diet. It’s caused by the immune system attacking and killing the insulin producing cells in the pancreas.

            All the scientist, Dr.s and government academia sit around scrathing their heads wondering why immune system related and caused diseases are on such a steep rise. It’s right in front of them, vaccines. They’re messing with our immune systems in ways that have long lasting adverse effects. But oh no, the vaccines couldn’t be the cause. I’d like to see them do more non-biased studies comparing non-vaccinated and vaccinated kids here in the US. I’m pretty sure you and I know what the results would be. Non-vaccinated kids with diseases caused by faulty immune systems is extremely lower.

            All these idiots that believe we are putting their kids at risk. It’s all okay until it’s your own child. Then you realize the truth when you dig into the data. I was one of those idiots.

            Have a nice day and I hope all goes well with you and your children.

          • Tom Dolan

            There is NO EVIDENCE of the cause and effect relationship you maintain, and that is after years of costly research looking for such a link. You having a child with Asperger’s does NOT make you an expert in the sophisticated science needed to establish the kind of causal link which self-seeking liars have lied to you about.
            I am a victim of vilent crime. That does NOT make me an expert on criminology or on the causes of crime. If we leave reason out of our duiscussions, then all hope of progress or even sense is gone. You being upset or self-pitying will do you no good and has no authority in reason.

    • Old Henry

      I don’t know FreedomFighter as I think big Pharma has already taken over the government.

    • Laurie

      They already manipulate the pharmceutical industry…it’s in the pockets of BIG government, that’s the problem, NOT the solution. I believe innoculations ARE indeed related to the increasing accounts of ADD, ADHA, Autism, Dementia & especially Alzheimer’s. Trust NO ONE… especially the government.

    • ALL AMERICAN

      Are you fricken kidding me? Sounds like you may have gotten a little aluminum uptake in your receptors. I don’t want the government coming even close to my child, or having the ability to produce drugs that would harm me or my family, friends/neighbors even more than what is listed. At this point, I would trust herbal medicine from a real American (Native American) before taking one of these meds/innoculations that cause 50 other fricken problems. Use your head bro.

    • Imprimis

      What???! In history the great atrocities have always come about through governments however clandestine. NO! absolutely not. What are those 9 words that should put terror in any reasonable persons’ heart? “I’m from the gov and I’m here to help.” Buyer BE WARE…very ware.

      • Tom Dolan

        Don’t forget the other two famous lies: “Of course, I will respect you in the morning,” and “The check is in the mail.”

    • wandamurline

      I no longer get a flu shot. Last year, they combined the swine flu shot into the regular one. This vaccination is linked to Gilles Barre Syndrome which is an autoimmune disease which attacks the nervous system of the individual. So many people rushed out to get these vaccines in 2010, it will be interesting in about 5-15 years, how many get this disease…if they do….it will be the result of the swine flue vaccine. I got to thinking….I have had about three flu shots in my life and have never had the flu, why do I need a shot? After I asked if the swine flu shot had been incorporated into the regular flu shot, I decided I would take my chances with the flu.

    • Mike

      You have misplaced your mind FreedomFighter. The bigPharm is already in bed with the government. Why do you think vaccines are mandatory? It creates a profit stream for the pharmaceutical industry. The answer is separate no conjoin.

    • Tom Dolan

      While many thingsmust be done by government, for government to do what pharmaceutical companies now do would probably result in much waste. The market discipline which investor-owned companies face prevents the kind of waste which is often inherent in the operations of, say, the United States Postal Service. Governemnt managers aree unable to bargain appropriately with unions and are prone to ‘give away the store’ which in private companies wouild result in bankruptcy

  • Robert Craton

    The sad part about vaccinations is their often-irreversible downside, and brain inflammation is one that occurs often and condemns many perfectly healthy and beautiful children to a life with disabilities. However, the saddest part about the vaccine-induced brain inflammation issue, I think, is the CDC’s and FDA’s apparent disregard for what neurotoxins and other poisons in all vaccines really do to infants, toddler, teens, adults and senior citizens. Certainly, Congress should investigate what’s going on.

    What a load of unproven rubbish!!!

    • Carlucci

      Dear Presumptuous Insect – whoops, I mean Robert Craton,

      This article is not “rubbish”. A few months ago, I read an article on Dr. Mercola’s website about a Russian physician who has discovered that beneficial bacteria that is needed by a newborn for healthy brain and digestive function gets disrupted by vaccinations. She made this discovery after her own baby’s health changed dramatically from vaccinations. The intestinal tract is known as the “second brain” in the body and most children with vaccine injury also suffer from uncontrollable diarrhea. Foods like white flour, white sugar, and dairy make things even worse for them.

      Before you condemn articles like this as “rubbish”, maybe you should do some research and find out otherwise. When you make fun of serious issues like this, it makes you sound like a useful idiot/big government toady……but if that is what you really are, please do us all a favor and go away.

      • rosina

        Dr. Blaylock writes pretty much the same thing and gives expert advice and information on the toxins and immunotoxicity.
        Very interesting reading.
        I am glad I have always refused FLU vaccines.

        • Old Henry

          rosin:

          I got a flu vaccine shot at work ONCE back in 1979. Missed two days of work. Got sickern the proverbial dog.

          NEVER made that mistake again. Got a SLIGHT case of the flu one time in the mid-80s, but did not mis work.

          • Julie

            I used to be in nursing. When they first started giving flu shots(in a care facility i worked in) I noticed the clients got the flu worse then if they didn’t get the shot. That made me think, and I decided not to get the flu shot. I also let my family know what happened, and most of them didn’t get either. We never had problems with the flu. It lasted one day to three days when we did get it. If it was a certain strain the first time was worse then the times after it.

      • DaveH

        Carlucci is correct, Robert. You really need to do something about your ignorance before others catch it:
        http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=5442

        • Old Henry

          Hey DaveH, ya suppose he could take a vaccination for it? Just a thought.

          • DaveH

            Should we force him?

          • Old Henry

            I don’t think we would have to Dave…. LOL!

        • Med Student

          Dr Rima, the director of Natural Solutions Foundation, cites no scientific studies or even specific examples for which we can go back and investigate. And like I said, he is the director of Natural Solutions Foundation. Bias maybe ? Ask your local family physician for some education instead of looking for it from a blog or some whack MD that doesn’t even practice medicine.

      • Old Henry

        Carlucci!

        LOL! Ya haven’t lost yer touch darlin! HA!

        How’s the new yob goin? We miss your instght ’round here. Ole DaveH is havin to work overtime.

        Had a rousin go-round yesterday on John Myer’s article.

        • JeffH

          OH, I’ll second that!

      • wandamurline

        Go ahead and call me crazy, but being 63 years of age, I have been around some time and kids with attention disorders is relatively new. I wonder if this has something to do with vaccinations. It would not surprise me on bit, but the CDC and the FDA will protect the drug companies no matter what kind of poison they are selling…it is all about the money….not the health of the people of America

        • Kate8

          Vaccines and food devoid of nutrition. How about toxic water?

          But then, it has created a whole new syndrome “requiring” drug treatment, which equates to more money for pharma.

          You have to also wonder if what is being called overactive isn’t just kids being kids. With such limited space nowdays, and fewer places for kids to work off their energy, maybe we just notice it more.

          • Old Henry

            And Kate, at our age anyone moving around that fast just looks overactive…

        • Med Student

          Show me a study that definitively relates ADD/ADHD to vaccinations and we’ll do somthing about it. Thats like saying “The glass of water in my kitchen spilled because a person in China sneezed.” It just makes not sense from a scientific perspective. Personaly I believe the rise of ADD/ADHD is because nobody 1)tells their child “No” anymore or 2)disciplines them. But you can argue that all you want. Its just my observation and assertion. I have no study to support it. All I know is it seems to be working with my child (who IS vaccinated).

          • libertytrain

            Med Student – consider yourself fortunate. I was as well but there are so very many having these and other problems…and it’s not just from lack of discipline. As someone studying medicine you ought to easily recognize that or perhaps find another field to study.

      • mickey

        Julie, that’s about right. I was oftened accused of lying “sick” when I only stayed home a couple of days instead of a week or more with the flu. I didn’t take the shot, lol.

        Mostly, since I have been retired, I am seldom sick. In the winter, I sometimes have problems but I believe that is from the forced air heating system circulating all the dust. The heating systems at work only circulated everyone’s germs.

    • Jeryl

      I hate to tell you, my friend, Congress is not going to condemn organizations that pour millions into their coffers. Congress is complicit with the pharmaceutical companies. The FDA should have been brought under control long ago, but a huge number of FDA board members end up working for pharmceutical companies after leaving the FDA.

    • Jeryl

      You must work for a pharmaceutical company or in a doctor’s office.

      • Med Student

        Look it up, NOBODY is making money from vaccinations. Fewer and fewer companies are even producing them bc they ARE NOT lucritive. Doctors get paid peanuts for writing the orders to give them. They do it because its good for your kid. Ask your local MD to explain how vaccinations are a MUST for your child. He knows a little more about health and wellness then the author of this article and everyone thats been posting on it ever will.

        • mickey

          I think you said it when you said doctors get paid “peanuts” for writing the script. Why are they getting paid at all?

          There is someting wrong when parents are sued or have their children taken away from them “neglect charges” for refusing all these shots.

          We had NO mandantory shots. Yes, we got measles, mumps, etc. The only vaccines we had to take were to visit other countries to protect us from getting the “native” diseases and bringing them back here.

          My kids had only a few shots, polio, measles, mumps but they were voluntary and not in combination. That is, until they switched schools and the old school would not release the records and I was threatened with jail time if the kids did not get the shots (again). Welcome to the world of California.

    • Kaolyn

      I just love when people like you comment on something they know nothing about.

    • Andrea B

      I don’t think the idea behind this article was to PROVE anything. I think it was written to point out the correlation of vaccines to other medical maladies, and to inspire a study into it.

      Everything that HAS been ‘proven’ started off as a ‘theory.’ I learned this in third grade science. Maybe if you study real hard and do your homework, you will make it to third grade someday, too!

      Who knows? Maybe you’re right and it’s all rubbish. If you have a parent with Alzheimers or a child with neuro problems of ‘unknown etiology,’ maybe you would be interested in finding out if the govt gave it to them via federal mandates and forced vaccinations; then again, maybe you wouldn’t.

      As a homehealth nurse that takes care of kids with diagnosis like these (who were otherwise born healthy), I know I’D like to know what’s causing the increase in incidents. I’ve suspected vaccines for many years, but that’s just me.

      If it turns out that vaccines ARE the cause, then I thank GOD that my children are healthy in spite of receiving them. Had I known then what I know now, I wouldn’t have even considered vaccinating them, assuming I would’ve had that right as their mother.

      Ron Paul 2012

      • Karolyn

        I have wondered for years why so many kids have allergies, asthma, and other ailments we never had when I was a kid. It could be the vaccinations, the air we breathe or the food we eat, but I know it is true. I knew nobody with peanut or any other allergies when I was a kid, nor did I know anyone with asthma. These days it’s commonly accepted for kids to be on allergy medications.

        • Julie

          I read some where that the government put chimicals in the jet streams to help controll population numbers. If it is true or false I don’t know. Maybe some one with more abilities or connections can find out for sure.

      • Ellen

        Andrea, I agree completely about vaccinating my kids. I followed the doctor’s advice. I have a child with ADD and I suspect the vaccines are to blame. It may not be one specific vaccine, but rather the overload they receive. Segments of US society that don’t vaccinate don’t have these health problems. My daughter has done a few mission trips to Honduras and Africa over the past 2 years and those people don’t have any of the issues we have even though they lack electricity and medical care. They are healthier than we are even though they live in a 3rd world country. We’ve been brainwashed into believing the vaccine propaganda. I found it funny while reading the article that he mentions pertussis, as it has started to come back in the US and all the people who have gotten it are people who were vaccinated against it. So, the vaccine doesn’t even work. Their explanation? Maybe it only lasts 3 years and must get a booster. I’m very happy to see alternative medicine making some progress, as it is true medicine, not poisons.

    • Frederika

      “Unproven rubbish?” Wakey, wakey Robert! My kid was 100% NORMAL until she got her vaccines at 1 y.o. She soon afterwards lost all speech, screamed for hrs everyday, banged her head on the floor, did not sleep more than 4 hrs in a 24 hr period.. and more “fun” stuff. The kicker is that my story is not unusual anymore. Do some homework before you sound off about topics you have no understanding of.

      • Mary Mahonan

        I’m so sorry your daughter experienced such terrible health problems. I think it could very well be the mercury in these shots. This has no place in our bodies…ever! How long ago was this, and is she better now??? I am saying a prayer for her and your family right now. My parents raised us in the 50′s, 60′s, and 70′s without any shots. How did we survive??! I do not get ANY for my 5 children, 24, 23, 21, 12 and 12. I get religious waiver for school. I have not had a problem doing that.

        • Frederika

          Thank you for your thoughtfulness. It took years for her to improve and regain speech. She is exempted from any further vaccinations,on a special diet and takes loads of carefully chosen supplements. She is much better but still autistic. Will she ever have a job? Husband?Anything close to a normal life? When some try to minimize the consequences of these vaccines, it is obvious it has not touched their lives—yet.

    • Tom Dolan

      I believe that the words ‘oten’ and ‘many’ are used here when a respect for …honesty would substitute ‘rarely’ and very few.
      Again while everyone is entitled to his opinion, none of us are entitled to our own personal set of facts. reasonable discussions are best based on facts dawn from reliable sources based on the planet, Earth.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/PatriotNetworkAZ Dr. Terry J. Lovell

    Of course there is a downside to vaccinations-there is a downside to EVERY CHOICE! The purpose of the soical science of economics is to develop an objective rubric for making every decision is the most rational and utility mazimixing way. The net effedct of vaccinations is to make the weakest among us (the infants & children) as safe as we can make them. For every 3 million infants innoculated will there be an unfortunate few who have a negative reaction to the process? Yes there will be…but the REAL question is How are WE ALL BETTER OFF in the long run? The answer is mass innoculations have all but eradicated polio, small pox, tetnus and on and on. To have 30 million healthy infants and children what is the “acceptable” level of risk for adverse reactions…1 in a million; 1 in 10 million? Every choice holds a downside->that is the nature of choice and scarcity in this life. The incredible gift that science has given to the public health of the U.S. is a net POSITIVE benefit-w/o doubt. Now does this mean you can have 10 million healthy infant with “no cost” NO! There is a cost->type two erros do occur…but compared to the absolute certainty of death rates for these diseases-the trade-off is an excvellent bargain. As always IF individual PARENT’S want to opt out of a vaciniation for their children-they should be allowed their choicxe-but the price of that choice MUST be segregation from the infants who have been innoculated. YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!

    • http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/ Terry A. Hurlbut

      Just a minute, neighbor. Who is aggregating infants into large groups from whom any one infant requires segregation for any reason? Check your premises. Maybe the solution isn’t so much segregation as disaggregation. That means home schooling, and abandoning the notion of placing your child into the hands of strangers who are going to try to manage them all in a single room.

      The absurd attempts to evade responsibility for one’s personal choices in the name of personal or social convenience are the cause of far more epidemics and pandemics than the authorities are willing to admit, or even to conceive. This is true of “day care” and also of the abandonment of chaperonage. Tell me how Gardasil helps anyone, when you ought to know that the best, and only sure-fire, protection against the transmission of STD in any given setting is a scrupulous chaperon. Not to mention self-chaperonage, which requires that you teach a value system that promote it.

      What is your God, Doctor? Do you worship at the altar of “modern science”?

      • Robert Smith

        From Terry: “Tell me how Gardasil helps anyone, when you ought to know that the best, and only sure-fire, protection against the transmission of STD in any given setting is a scrupulous chaperon. ”

        Doesn’t work. Just ask Bristol Palun.

        Rob

        • KJQ

          You missed both his points. Abstinence is the only guaranteed way to prevent STD’s and unwanted pregnancy “for the individual”. Those who fail to abstain risk both. We (parents) assist our teens with abstinence by ensuring that they are chaperoned. Bristol Palin was allowed to engage in “cultural dating”, with predictable results.

        • Tom Dolan

          The cheapest andmost effective contraceptive is a five grain aspirin tablet applied topically, that is, held between the knees.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      You are not a Doctor, who I would choose to seek help from. I will never trust mainstream medicine. There are many people in the scientific and medical community that disagree with you. After all, they call it the PRACTICE of medicine. That one word, PRACTICE, is why you are not trustworthy.

      • Robert Smith

        Hey Capitalist… You say: “That one word, PRACTICE, is why you are not trustworthy.”

        What religion do you “practice?”

        Rob

        • Capitalist at Birth

          Why, exactly, is that any of your business?

    • Eric

      Tell that to a parent of one of the “unfortunate few” who lost a baby due to innoculations that didnt jive with their body.

      • Robert Smith

        Hundreds who may get sick and have problems vs. dozens who may have problems with the injection.

        I’d rather explain it to dozens than hundreds.

        Rob

        • Linda

          okay let me ask you a question. Lets say you were on an island with 50 people. There are 50 bottles of water, one for each person. One contains poison. Are you willing to be that one in 50? Just saying. Maybe instead of parents being asked to sign a waiver for one of the gov so called required shots, maybe we should say we will be willing parents if the dr. signed a waiver insuring us no adverse affects will happen to our children. I know they wont, because I have asked. Read up before allowing these chemicals into your childs body. I did.

    • Ralph Sweet

      Why should non-vaccinated kids be segregated from vaccinated kids? There is no chance that a vaccinated kid could catch the disease from a non-vaccinated one, or that a non-vaccinated one could catch it from a vaccinated one! All that would be necessary is that non-vaccinated kids should all be segregated from EACH OTHER!

      • Robert Smith

        Ralph says: “All that would be necessary is that non-vaccinated kids should all be segregated from EACH OTHER!”

        Are you suggesting that families that don’t get shots for their kids should be broken up and the kids be put into homes where…

        OK, but so much for family values.

        Rob

        • Capitalist at Birth

          Are you a dunce or just a dope?

          • Karolyn

            Robert just likes to stir the pot. Best to just ignore him.

          • libertytrain

            I think he is quite enamored with himself and that’s what he demonstrates most is his posts…

          • Old Henry

            Capitalist:

            You havin’ a bad day? Ya sound a little grumpy. LOL!

      • Angelia

        Ralph I would have to disagree with you based upon my own experience. I worked in a factory during a time when the majority of workers got the flu vaccine and the rest of us chose not to take it. Within a matter of days, many of us who chose not to have the vaccine started getting sick while those who got the vaccine were even sicker.

        It took years to convince my father to refuse the flu vaccine. Every time he got the shot he ended up in the hospital with pneumonia.

        • Julie

          I’ve seen the same prognosis. When I use to work in nursing. The people that got the shot was got sicker then the people that didn’t.

      • Amanda

        My daughter contracted chicken pox at 13 months from a girl who had just
        received the chicken pox vaccination. Even If I were going to let her receive vaccinations
        she would not have had the chicken pox vaccine administered until she was 15 months.

      • Old Henry

        Sounds like typical liberal racism to me Ralph.

        They want the un-vaccinatied kids to feel inferior and to try and shame the parents into pumping toxins into their children.

        We shall overcome…. Maybe it’s time for marches and sit-ins.

      • mickey

        I just love this!!! Just how can a vaccinated kid get something from an unvaccinated kid???? Love it.

    • J

      Advocating that non vaccinnated children should stay away from the vaccinated flies in the face of logic. Children that are vaccinated should be “immune” from any effects from the unvaccinated. It is to my eternal shame that I allowed both of my children to be vaccinated, one is perfectly fine, the oldest is on the autism spectrum disorder. Why? I don’t know but I have to think it is not just the pure vaccine, but its because of the additives and preservatives. I guess I would call that not knowing better and trusting a doctor. I am much more careful now. My daughter will never get the HPV vaccine nor an unnecessary chickenpox, flu or pneumonia vaccines and neither will my son.

      • Chris J

        Gentlemen, its obvious you’re not scientists because you keep ignoring the facts, the epidemiological studies, the countless reviews etc. Dr Lovell is trying to point out the logic of mass vaccination but you see this as some form of Government conspiracy. As a conservative, I find it appalling that the single greatest achievement of modern medicine – vaccines – is continually subjected to this claptrap. I studied at University all the nasty diseases that one can catch where there’s no adequate healthcare system – you seem to want to throw away all the gains that modern society has made. OK someone has asked why non-inoculated kids should be kept away from inoculated ones. It’s called Herd Immunity!!! The more people who are inoculated, the less chance of someone catching the disease. Not everyone has the same immune response so you protect those with weaker immune responses by making sure the majority cannot contract the disease. Simple, straightforward logic.

        • http://www.watauga-lake.com Dr. Ken

          It is more than one doctor who has linked vaccines to autism. My children are un-vaccinated and quite healthy… I had a vaccine reaction. No thanks Big Pharm. Innoculations are not what has “cured and erradicated” these nasty diseases, it has been better hygiene.

      • Robert Smith

        J says: “My daughter will never get the HPV vaccine …”

        But I’m sure you explain all that when you visit her in the hospital as she deals with cancer.

        Rob

        • libertytrain

          So you are saying that every woman everywhere is going to get cancer because they didn’t take their Gardasil shot.

        • ValDM

          Smith,
          Now you’re just being stupid. Regular checkups (pap smears) have caught more cancers than Gardisil will EVER prevent. I am a 25 year survivor of cervical cancer, & I can tell you that my regular checkup saved my life.

          • Old Henry

            ValDM:

            Do you keep an eye on your body’s pH on a regular basis?

          • ValDM

            Never even considered it as I eat better than most : 3+ servings of vegetables daily with 2 only servings of fruits daily……never any meat until supper. I call the diet I’ve been on for the last 8 yrs the “weed & seed” diet. Seems to work well for me as well as the exercise that I used to get before I broke a bunch of bones in a fall late last spring, but I’m getting back on the exercise program a little at a time now, working up to where I was before the fall.

        • dmoyers

          Really it only supposely protects against a few strains not all of the one thst can cause ovarian cancer! Just like flue shots they only protect against certain strains which change constantly and usually you are getting what was around last time. I suggest you do some research. And I know you would do Chemo and other main steam medicine when there have been alternative cures for years!

    • Jeryl

      The answer to that problem is that parents should make the choice, not the government. Sadly, many doctors believe they are “gods” when it comes to health choices. The truth is, they are as fallible as the next. I have a good doctor, but while I weigh his opinions, I do my research and make my own choices. This is my body. I haven’t had a flu vaccine in 18 years – I also haven’t had the flu in 18 years. There are natural alternatives that are much better than the flu vaccine. God gave children to parents, let those parents make the choices.

      • Robert Smith

        Jeryl says: “truth is, they are as fallible as the next.”

        Yup, all those years of education and experience don’t count for ‘nothn.

        I’m sure you can wrap all that up in a couple of evenings on the internet.

        On one hand you have education and experience and on the other you have politics, religion, anecdotal rants, and agendas.

        Good luck with your “decisions.”

        Rob

        • Kaolyn

          Robert – Do you get the flue vaccine? Are you on any medications? If you are, then you don’t know anything about taking care of your own body. If more people took care of their own bodies, we would not have the health problems that we do in this country. Rather than treatment, more should be done about prevention and education. Doctors are not gods. I pay the doctor; he/she works for me. As an informed patient, I make my own choices. I have HCV and was advised by a gastroenterologist that the only thing to do was chemo. I am extremely healthy and use alternative natural methods for my health; and when my 2nd biopsy came in better than the first and I tried to call him on it, he wouldn’t even respond. I wonder what kind of kickback he gets from Big Pharma. Too many people blindly follow whatever the doctor (or the government) says.

          • Capitalist at Birth

            Wow, Karolyn, we agree on something!

        • KJQ

          Robert. You are confusing “knowledge & experience” with “authority”. While I freely admit that doctors have far more knowledge and experience than I in medicine, they do not (and should not) have the authority to make decisions for me (or my family) regarding our health. Advise, recommend, implore – yes. Force or decide for me – no! This is especially true in light of the fact that there is almost never 100% agreement among “experts” in any field. That is why the final say must rest with the individual and not the state. I’m not sure if it’s your view but your comments sound very socialistic. If you believe government or “experts” should be given authority to decide for individuals what is right or wrong, then you are a socialist whether you know it or not.

      • justlittleoleme

        I am with you on the flu vaccine. You know I was always sick with the flu when I was on the flu shot. Now I rarely get sick with it. Can anyone explain to me why? It could be my Lyme Disease maybe doesn’t react with it but I know others who had the same problem who don’t have Lyme Disease. My kids had the same problem.

    • Elevenarrows

      Actually, Doctor, with all due respect, you have believed some of the propaganda promoted by the medical establishment. If you study the history on this subject, you will see that disease cycles throughout history and that the same diseases you suggest were eradicated by an aggressive vaccination policy were actually already on the decline when the vaccinations were introduced. Many of us are also aware of the “epidemics” in European countries where over 95% of the population infected during the epidemic had already been vaccinated!

      You are also neglecting to consider the enormous toll vaccinations have had on the overall health of the masses. There are many other factors at play, but astute researchers (and even lay observers)can clearly see vaccines have played a part in the overall decline of health in America. We now have enormous cancer rates, autoimmune disorders are becoming increasingly common, etc.

      I have personally witnessed the vibrant health that seems common among those who avoid vaccinations at all cost. I have a large family and many of my children have never even met a doctor. They almost never get sick and most of my children have never taken any OTC medications or antibiotics. The contrast is so obvious. I know many families that rush back and forth to the doctor for every little sneeze, vaccinate according to all the CDC recommendations, guzzle OTC meds and experience HORRIBLE health. Isn’t it time for the medical establishment to get off its high horse and truly consider the insurmountable evidence against the established norm???

      The only shame is in continuing to deny that the sky is, indeed, blue.

      • JTP

        Elevenarrows: You are wise and have (obviously) done your homework, We must take every opportunity to reveal the truth of the collusion between the government and Big Pharma….they are all in bed together.

        Just the fact that it is acknowledged and accepted that there will always be a percentage of children who will suffer debilitating reactions or DEATH from vaccinations should make every parent scrutinize each vaccine recommended. The information and list of adverse reactions given to parents at the time of vaccination are GROSSLY INADEQUATE. The fact is, sadly, doctors spew the rhetoric that they are taught from day one in medical school, where Big Pharma already is highly influential. Prior to 1970, the NIH, not the FDA regulated vaccines. Several experts on biologic standards began to question the safety of certain vaccines. Mysteriously, they were fired. The fact remains today that vaccine safety is inadequate. There have been NO studies done which compare the total health outcomes of the vaccinated vs. the unvaccinated. Today vaccines are driven more by the developers who wish to get them to market as quickly as possible; pharma lobbies the gov’t, money changes hands, the bureaucracy makes the recomendations, everybody spews the same lies and the public remains useful guinea pigs. This is the same FDA that claims saccrine, msg, and , today, nutrasweet are ok to consume! Here is just one example that should make everyone question how these drugs get approved:
        Vaccine Business Congress: Where Development Deals Get Done…
        http://www.iirusa.com/vbc/agenda.xml The first lecture describes “….how to avoid FDA scrutiny”
        We know that those responding here who praise the wonders of vaccine development and the benefits of the”herd” mentality are only repeating rhetoric fed to them by a complicit medical establishment.

        As I sit here and look at our beautiful (16 yr old)daughter, profoundly brain-damaged since receipt of the Hepatitis B vaccine several days after birth…she is one of those % within the damaged acceptance rate. What is outrageous is the FACT that the Hepatitis B vaccine is given at birth to “catch” those who, as future adults, might contract the disease through sex with an affected person, or through illicit intravenous drug use…THIS IS THE LOGIC OF THE GOVERNMENT: Risk a newborns health/life for a tiny percentage of irresponsible adults who might contract Hep B.! Those who side with the government here need to get EDUCATED. I highly recommend reading “The Vaccine Epidemic” by Habakus and Holland.

        • KJQ

          JTP: Thank you for your candor in describing your situation with your daughter. My family and I will pray for you and her.

          I wrestled for years trying to decide the right thing to do regarding various vaccinations, but now the decision has been made easy for me. Drug companies are changing how they make vaccines from use of animal cells to aborted fetal tissue. This is as repulsive as it can get for me. I am also sure that God will judge the use of murdered children’s bodies for the making of vaccines. Be warned.

          • mickey

            Yes, the aborted fetal cells. I wonder why the great surge of protecting abortions feeds into this use of fetal cells. How much money is floating around because of it. And is that the reason (dope addicts abortions) why babies are now getting the Hep B????

    • libertytrain

      re your words: “As always IF individual PARENT’S want to opt out of a vaciniation for their children-they should be allowed their choicxe-but the price of that choice MUST be segregation from the infants who have been innoculated. YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!”
      If kids have been inoculated what have they to fear from the child who hasn’t been – Please explain. Are you saying that the inoculations don’t work?

      • JeffH

        :)

    • frank

      I totally agreewith Doctor Lowell … there should be choice … but at the same time there should be responsibilityon the part of the parents (or in some cases next of kin) to report and quarnatine an infected patient .. to prevent spreading on the disease to others that have not been immunized .. if 50% choise not to be vaccinated , the potencial is that they can be infected .. and overwhelm the medical community … as for homeopathic treatment .. check out Farrah Fawcett’s progress aginst cancer…I’ve heard she had a bad outcome ..

      • ValDM

        frank,
        You & Smith are two very obnoxious individuals. To bring up Palin’s daughter (Smith) & you bring up Farrah Fawcett, is just grotesque on both your parts. Have you no shame? Apparently not.

      • Old Henry

        Also check our Suzanne Sommers frank.

        • JeffH

          :) I have…and on more than one occasion too :)

    • Andrea B

      Are you a Doctor in the same sense that Dr. Phil is a doctor?

      If you have a small percentage of the population that is NOT vaccinated, WHY would you ‘segregate’ them from the larger percentage that IS vaccinated? Isn’t the larger group ‘protected’ by the vaccine?

      We ALL KNOW the government loves us like a parent and only wants what is best for us, but by your own admission, the only children ‘at risk’ are the children that HAVEN’T been vaccinated. If they bear the risk, why would you separate them from general population?

      You can’t have it both ways, either.

      Ron Paul 2012

    • independant thinker

      ” As always IF individual PARENT’S want to opt out of a vaciniation for their children-they should be allowed their choicxe-but the price of that choice MUST be segregation from the infants who have been innoculated.”

      If the innoculation does its job there is absolutely no reason to segregate tone who does not have it from those that do. If the non vaccinated child must be segregated from the vaccinated child then the vaccination is useless.

    • Momto6ls

      “Dr.,”

      As a nurse I am horrified by your vague “the ends justify the means” attitude here. I have never spoken to a doctor that supported the use of vaccines that had any idea of the true statistical risk. Can you answer your own question? What is the risk??? One in a million? One in 100,000? Most of the statistics I see printed by the government make it impossible to tell. They quote “x number were hospitalized this year.” Well how many were exposed? Sickened? Vaccinated and exposed, hospitalized and died anyway? The true risks are rarely stated. Because if they were most parents would say “no thanks.”

      And look at where it has gotten us! “Epidemics” of Cancer, heart disease, diabetes! (just to name some of the top killers!) These are not contagious diseases doctor! Yet the statistics are staggering and “unexplainable!” And here is a scientist decades ago expressing concern that these very results would occur. What is the cost in medical services to autistic patients? Is vaccination your means of job security??

      And when we see the results, what do the pharacuetical companies do? They create more vaccinations to “guard against” the very results that they have engineered. This is not a coincidence.

      I would encourage all parents to look at the real statistics printed right in the vaccine inserts. Ask yourselves why does the CDC have a department (!) to take care of (keep quiet) the adverse reactions of vaccines. Why are we assured that if our child has a “proven” reaction to a vaccine (which is almost impossible to prove on a case by case basis!) that the government will take care of any cost to the family. What about the cost of quality of life?? And heart ache and grief and loss of health?? I would rather risk death from a true disease than risk destroying the functional life of my child over “prevention.”

      • Laurie

        Sadly, there is already too much “government” involvement on this issue, which is the major problem. Just like anything else they get their hands in, it’s become a “slippery slope” issue, involving greed, fraud, corruption & manipulation of the masses.

      • Mom of Asperger’s

        at Momto6ls–yes, how can we trust a government that says things like ‘an insignificant number, possibly anywhere from 1 to 500,000, will be affected…’

    • Kate8

      Well, DR. Lovell…I noticed you did not put an MD after your name. Usually only those who want to confuse use the term DR. Not that it matters one whit to me.

      You have been indoctrinated well. Tell me, if vaccines are so effective, then why do we need to segregate? Aren’t they supposed to make you immune? It’s more likely that an unvaccinated person would risk exposure to the vaccinated.

      Funny, but the healthiest people I know are the ones who were never vaccinated, especially the kids.

      Since you think the millions of children who are maimed is acceptable for the good of the whole, why don’t you explain that to those of us who have damaged children from them. These are kids who would have otherwise been perfectly healthy with little risk of any problem from the things vaccinated for. They risk of damage is far greater from the vaccine.

      So now that we’re all wising up about vaccines, and won’t willingly walk in and get our kids vaccinated, gov’t is passing laws to FORCE us to do it. Why? Because it is nothing less than part of their plans for population reduction, and opting out is not an option. Livestock don’t get to make choices.

      • Old Henry

        Bravo Kate!

        I was unaware you had a child with vaccine side-affects. Sorry to hear that.

    • Laurie

      Probelem is, it really is NOT a choice in America. That is WRONG!

    • DaveH

      It’s not your right to Force your way on us, Dr. Terry, no matter how superior you imagine yourself.
      “As always IF individual PARENT’S want to opt out of a vaciniation for their children-they should be allowed their choicxe-but the price of that choice MUST be segregation from the infants who have been innoculated. YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!” says Terry.
      You’re an Ignoramus, Dr. Terry, to make such an illogical statement. If the vaccines indeed work, then why would the vaccinated children need to be segregated from the unvaccinated children? And if the vaccines don’t work, do I even need to explain that one to you?
      Please let me know if I didn’t state that in simple enough terms for you to understand.

    • DaveH

      For those who are simple enough to be swayed by the title “Dr. Terry J. Lovell”:
      http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=534

      • JeffH

        Dr. James R. Shannon, former director of the National institute of health declared, “the only safe vaccine is one that is never used.”

    • TomP

      It’s a common misconception that the small pox vaccine irradicated the disease. They stopped vaccinating in the ’70′s because the vaccine was causing more cases of small pox than it was supposedly helping. Hygiene and sanitation is the root cause of these diseases going away, not the vaccine. Specifically, small pox is a disease of putresence. Toxins from food are being evacuated out of the body by the quickest route, the skin. If a person stops eating, drinks only enough water to maintain hydration and rests in clean surroundings for two weeks. When drs intervene and give powerful antibiotics to “cure” the boils, the process is interupted and the toxins don’t leave. Those awful pictures of children with huge sore all over their bodies are the ones being treated with drugs. Many have died unnessesarily.

      That is just one example. Misinformation is rampent when money is to be made.

    • Old Henry

      Dr. Lovell:

      Several times in your post you mention CHOICE. Therein lies the cruxt of the problem. There usually is NO CHOICE in the matter of injecting toxins into our infants, toddlers, children.

      The big nanny government forces all that poison onto the infants, toddlers, children. And in instances of parental “choice” medical “professionals” brow-beat the parents if they opt out.

      Ever try and get your kid into school without the list of vaccinations signed by the doctor?

      • Mary Mahonan

        Yes, state it in writing that you are aware of the risks of not getting the vaccines, and that you have a religious opposition to getting them. I have 5 children (24, 23, 31, 12, 12) who have not had them. I have not had a problem getting them in school. Although they will not advertise that you do have a religious choice.

        • DaveH

          What if you’re not religious?

          • jenn

            http://vaccineinfo.net/, has good information. Go to the exemption tab and it sends you to a link to request the exemption based off of reasons of conscience. My daughter is 6, I requested the form and it took about 3 days to get, went up to UPS and got it notarized and that was it. She does go to a private school and they did not even question me, nor did they CYO sports program when I checked yes to all vaccines current. The whole ordeal was definitely quicker than a trip to the doc and cost me $7 and peace of mind knowing my daughter will never get another vaccine ever. My 4 month old has only been given the vitamin K shot (although I wish I had stood my ground – the pedi there was very insistent and pushy as we negotiated on all the shots he wanted to give him) and will never receive any vaccines. Many Pedi’s wont accept children for wellness exams if you refuse to vaccinate them. He has not been to one, only our holistic doctor once, and is as healthy as can be. Hope the website helps.

          • DaveH

            Thank you, Jenn.

          • Jazzabelle

            Jenn-
            Have you tried switching to a family doctor for your kids? I had all sorts of trouble with pediatricians trying to browbeat and intimidate me into getting my children vaccinated, then I heard from someone that family doctors usually aren’t so pushy. Sure enough, as soon as I switched to a family doctor (generalist), he has politely accepted my decision not to vaccinate and it has never been an issue again.

    • Frederika

      Typical. Thanks to MD morons and Big Pharma, autism is rampant along with other learning disabilities. Thanks, a helluva of a lot!

    • Mom of Asperger’s

      If you are a doctor, I surely am not coming to you–you can’t even spell.

  • AJ

    Thanks Rick Perry for the consideration of those six year old girls you forced to get vacinations. I’m sure your intentions were good or profitable? Knowing you are a career politition and tarnished by business as usual special interests policies only you know what was true for you. However I belive in free choice and self responsibility and dispise anyone or government telling or forcing me to be injected with anything. Down with big government and “Big Pharma”.

    • Justasayin’

      AJ,
      Get your facts straight!
      1)Perry didn’t force anyone to get vaccinated
      2)the Texas legislature shot it down
      3)Parents were to be informed and the “opt out” was as simpke as calling or sending a note that said “not my kid”

      • Chris J

        You’d be the first one screaming for big Pharma to save my butt when Pandemic flu breaks out – guess what it will. There are already strains of 5H1N that are resistant to antivirals.

      • Kate8

        Justasayin’ – Not so here in CA.

        Now, parental permission is not required. Girls will be brainwashed at school into getting vaccinated, and parents won’t know until they suffer the consequences.

        The government has decided that children should be able to “make their own decisions”.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    I have never taken a flu shot in my life and never will. I am 62 now and have suffered from the flu three times in my life ( 1958, 1971, 1973.) I do take 24 daily vitamins and herbal supplements, which I contend will keep me healthier than any pharmaceuticals supplied by these careless and greedy drug manufacturers. I think it is possible that these could be attempts to control the masses by the ruling elite. How is that for a conspiracy theory. After all, that is proven by statements made by Holdren and Sustein, who are both involved in the Federal Government today.

    • rosina

      Agree.
      I have never taken a flu shot and never will.
      But, fortunately I have never had flu-to my knowledge.
      bad colds and laryngitis with severe coughs and have used antibiotics at the time but stay away as much as possible from pharma drugs.
      Like you, take vitamins and am pretty healthy for my age.

      • Kate8

        rosina – Silver hydrosol, Mediterranean oil of oregano…work far better than antibiotics and without the serious side effects. Plus, the pathogens don’t become immune to them.

        Bronchitis or pneumonia? Silver hydrosol in a nebulizer. Clears it up in a couple of days.

    • Jeryl

      Well said.

    • Robert Smith

      Capitalist says: ” I contend will keep me healthier than any pharmaceuticals supplied by these careless and greedy drug manufacturers.”

      As opposed to those greedy herbal and vitamine manufacturers.

      Funny (not) that herbal doctors of old, witches, were cooked in the name of the christian god. How things have changed.

      Rob

      • Capitalist at Birth

        My cost is less than $ .60 a day. My father and mothers prescription medication from big Pharma, are in excess of $ 15.00 a day. Which one describes greed?

        • Kate8

          Capitalist – So true. You’d be hard pressed to ever spend even a fraction of the cost of medical care on alternative care, no matter how much you went for it.

          I’d say that it would take years to spend as much as you would in a single day at a hospital or clinic.

          Robert Smith, you are still an idiot. But keep going to MDs. You’ll be doing us all a favor.

      • DaveH

        Robert,
        I know this is a subject that doesn’t compute in your brain, but what we’re talking about here is FREE CHOICE!
        I don’t think anybody here would say that any profession or industry is free of crooks or ignorant people. But which ones we choose to believe and patronize is none of your business, Robert. Take your elitist attitude and go on a nice long Hike.

    • Kaolyn

      Here is something we can agree on, Capitalist! I go t the doctor once a year for routine blookwork because of Hepatitis C and that is the only reason I go. I may get a cold once a year, but it is gone in 3 days becauseof all the vitamin C I take and then adding in other condition specific herbs. I am almost 65. If one is healthy, one need not even worry about catching the flu. However, even if a healthy person does manage to catch the flu, it ain’t gonna kill them.

      • Karolyn

        Oops! I’ve been leaving the r out of my name!

  • CP

    Thank you, Dr. Lovell. Yours is one of the few SANE voices I have seen on here in regards to vaccinations of any type. Perhaps these fine gentlemen should be exposed to a good, old fashioned round of chicken pox or measles. Then let them tell us how much fun they had, if they survive. I won’t even suggest smallpox, as that one has too many fatalities associated with it.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      You choose to be INSANE. That is your choice. Good Luck and Best Wishes.

    • Jeryl

      Had ‘em both despite vaccinations. By the way, I’m not against vaccinations, especially for adults, but leave it up to the parents to make the decisions for their own children. There’s enough government control now.

      • ValDM

        Jeryl,
        I, too had these maladies & didn’t die. Of course,in my day the vaccines for measles or chicken pox weren’t even envisioned. Why a chicken pox vaccine? Chicken pox makes you somewhat uncomfortable, but it’s not life-threatening unless you inhale some of the “spores” from the erupting pox. I’ve only heard of this one time in my life & I’ve lived long enough to have heard & seen a lot.

        • TomP

          I’l tell you why not to get the varicella vaccine… “Additional controversy has arisen because cell lines derived from aborted fetal tissue were used in its development, and thus violates the ethics and beliefs of people who oppose the use of aborted fetal tissue in medical research.[28]” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varicella_vaccine
          Instead of ‘fetal tissue’ insert ‘human baby’. When is it ok to kill another human (especially in the womb) for the health of another human? We, as a society, are just like the pagan cultures of the past who used to sacrifice to the fertility gods, Baal & Ashteroth.

          • ValDM

            TomP,
            My point was WHY even consider a chicken pox vaccine? I’m opposed to most vaccines as I think they are detrimental to deveoping a healthy immune system………better to get the disease & develop your OWN immunity than to rely on drug manufacturers whose motives are questionable.

            I’m still asking the question, WHY a chicken pox vaccine? It doesn’t pose a significant health risk to anyone except adults, or those that have inhaled the “spores” from erupting pox.

        • mickey

          lol I was exposed to all the childhood diseases and never had any of them. My kids had chicken pox, one right after the other, but I never got it.

          I’m beginning to wonder, since I am now older, if the fact that I have low sugar had anything to do with my not getting any diseases. While low sugar has its own problems, I wonder why only the people in my family who have it seem to have immunity to these diseases.

    • Jeryl

      By the way, when I was a kid (I’m 67) we didn’t have to have our vaccinations until we were ready to enter kindergarten. There were a whole lot less adverse reactions then.

      • Kate8

        Jeryl – I was in the first grade when they came around to the schools to vaccinate us kids. I remember standing in line to get jabbed…

        I was a healthy kid before that. After being vaccinated, I became very ill…so did many others. Bad batch, they said. I contracted pneumonia, then rheumatic fever. I was plagued by illness for many years because of it.

        As an adult, I began to suffer from debilitating periods of muscle weakness, even though I worked out at the gym. It would get so bad sometimes that I could barely walk. Finally, after experiencing this for more than a decade, I found a wonderful European homeopath who said it was from the polio vaccine, and he gave me a remedy to clear it. It has never happened since.

        I gave up allopathic medicine some 30 years ago, and my health has never been better.

        • Kate8

          BTW, I just read where it’s finally been admitted that between the 1950s and the 1967 or so, live monkey cancer cells were put in the polio vaccines given to kids.

          And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        I am sure you had a polio vaccination, I am glad that is the only vaccination I’ve had in my life.

    • http://www.catherinejfrompovich.com Catherine J Frompovich

      I beg to differ with your comment, see if they survive. As a child I had measles, chickenpox, and German measles and had absolutely NO complications during those few days of being kept in a dark room–the properly advised medical treatment at the time and to let the infection run its course as they doctor advised then. Now, see how much misinformation is being put out there in the so-called ‘scientific’ papers. Get your facts straight. Also, there was a time when parents would take their children to measles parties where a child who had measles was there so they could be exposed, get the infection to enhance their immune systems to provide life-long immunity. Furthermore, the only time in my life I contracted the flu was in 1957 after having received a flu shot–where I worked sent me, paid for it, and I was young a dumb and didn’t know better. Said flu shot almost killed me; I got the flu TWICE and almost died. Take note: I’ve never had a flu shot since 1957 and never have had the flu either. The only vaccination I received was smallpox in my preschool years. Perhaps those who are ignorant of vaccine/vaccination history ought to do their homework. The scientific FACTS will blow your mind, that’s if you have an open mind and its not bent into a pretzel of pharmacological mysticism.

      • Angelia

        Catherine, finally someone with common sense. My family did the same things as yours did! I’m the second generation to the practices you spoke of. My father was the first. As a result, I grew up healthy and strong. My mothers famous saying to us kids was “That which does not kill you will make you stronger”.

        Mom was right!

        • Kate8

          Catherine and Angelia – My sister had a military career, and was forced to receive regular flu shots (and other vaccinations, as well). She noticed that everytime she got a flu shot, she became ill.

          Being retired, she didn’t get them for many years, but one year she was talked in to a flu shot. She became nearly incapacitated, and it didn’t go away. Doctors couldn’t come to a diagnosis. She was confused, trembling, weak…couldn’t leave her home (she is an active, vital person).

          Finally, I told her to go to an alternative clinic and get tested for heavy metals. It came back so high…including mercury…She went through a few series’ of chelation treatments and is now well again.

          I believe that our medical system kills off the elderly. I don’t go to doctors, don’t use any medications…I’ve seen too much.

    • Elevenarrows

      Are you aware of the deep concerns even among the medical establishment that they may have really messed up with the varicella vaccine (chicken pox)? It sounded like such a good idea and they rushed right in and started using it with the masses only to discover now that it might not have the amount of efficacy that they initially hoped for. So now there is the risk of adults (who received the vaccine as children) getting chicken pox. This particular disease carries a greater risk for adults so it is better to acquire it as a child. I strongly advise you to stop embracing whatever the CDC spoon-feeds you and to do some intense research from objective sources.

      The Hepatitis B vaccine is another example of the CDC really messing up. They recommended every infant be given this vaccine at birth. It June of 1999, they quietly (in the middle of the night) removed their recommendation due to all the life-threatening bowel obstructions that were occurring. Infants had to be rushed into surgery to correct the obstruction to save their lives. After time passed, the CDC quietly began recommending it again.

      We had one of our kids born in the hospital in 1999 and he was given this vaccine against our wishes. It was hospital error and they acknowledged it after we reported them. However, we had weeks of anxiously waiting to see if our baby would suffer the serious complications that vaccine was causing.

      I cannot urge parents enough to not trust the establishment. When I confronted the doctor who was responsible for the error, she stated that the Hepatitis B vaccine was the safest on the market and had ZERO side effects! I had actually done hours of research on it and knew far more than she did about its risks. Don’t expect the busy doctors to spend time looking at each vaccine and its possible risks. Most of the medical community simply accepts the recommendations of the CDC…an organization with corruption and collusion with Big Pharma.

      • Andrea B

        When I was pregnant with my first-born, I gave my doctor and the hospital a copy of my ‘birth-plan.’

        I had asked them NOT to vaccinate my daughter with the Hep B vaccine because I felt she was too young to start getting shots before I even got to bring her home. I had worked out a vaccine-schedule with a pediatrician that satisfied me, him, and school requirements.

        They ‘accidentally’ gave it to her, too.

        I wonder how many other people requested that their infants NOT be poked with needles, and the staff did it ‘by accident’ anyway, because you’re NOT the first person that I’ve heard this from.

        Ron Paul 2012

      • mark

        Right never believe a doctor! What do they know? You can figure all this stuff out by yourself. Let’s close down all these expensive hospitals, medical colleges and universities too. All they is teach nonsense that make people more sick. People can figure out things on their own. We don’t need goverment nor schools nor hospitals. People are better off on their own. It’s worked for 3 centuries in Apalachia. We should all live like them. Good Christian mountain people that don’t need no learnin’ an’ such. Just read the Bible that’s all ya need!

        • jenn

          I am guessing you feel better now for that productive post?

        • Karolyn

          Way off base, mark. when you have been learning and studying these issues for as long as many of us here have, then you may have something to say.

    • LPD

      No Problem… when I was a child, I had the chicken pox (age 4), The measles (age 8), the Mumps (age 14). My immune system as an adult is excellent. I think I had a stomach bug back about 6 years ago, but that’s all I can remember in recent time…. and the topper…because I believe in titering (my child and my dogs), my daughter has a natural immunity to both the chicken pox AND the measles. Fancy that. Kids aren’t even checked before they are injected with poison!

    • JeffH

      Dr. James R. Shannon, former director of the National institute of health declared, “the only safe vaccine is one that is never used.”
      http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=534

      re-post from above

    • JTP

      FYI My youngest son had the chicken pox in first grade. (If you look above to my reply to Elevenarrows you will gain some background as to why I will never give another vaccine to any of my children) His school sent out a letter to all school parents about (horrors) the child in first grade who had not been vaccinated for chickenpox and to run to your doctor and get your child vaccinated ! There were 4 other children in his class who subsequently got the chickenpox….ALL OF THEM HAD HAD THE VACCINE ! At least now I know definitively that my son will not get the chickenpox later in life, which carries much greater health risk than getting it as a child. The longevity of the pox vaccine is not well known, thus delaying the chances of getting it later in life….DO YOU HOMEWORK !

    • Jazzabelle

      CP wrote:
      “Perhaps these fine gentlemen should be exposed to a good, old fashioned round of chicken pox or measles. Then let them tell us how much fun they had, if they survive.”

      Me, me! Could you bring the chicken pox over here, please?
      I’ve been trying to expose my children to it for years, but nobody ever gets it anymore, whether they’re vaccinated or not. Wild chicken pox is dying out, I fear – which is unfortunate because it’s much more serious should they somehow become exposed as adults. Much better to develop immunity as children, but we are losing opportunities for natural immunities thanks to big pharma and government incentives.

    • 1955thekeeper

      What has happened to this world that I grew up in? When I was a child, 5 to 8 years old in the early 60′s, my family lived in a suburb of Houston, Texas. We inoculated ourselves by playing with or spending the night at a friend’s house who had the measles, chicken pox, et al until we came down with it as well. We were “sick” for a couple of days, we scratched ourselves silly and were generally miserable for a few days, but when we came out the other side, we were stronger for the experience. My parents were taken in by the ISDs mantra of “He has to take this list of shots and boosters to attend school.” Eventually, those lists became like your “Permanent School Record Thing,” and I stopped taking any shots at around the age of 10 or 11 years of age. I have never and will never take anything endorsed by the Federal Government as in the case of flu shots. Not all mainstream medical practitioners are sold on the idea of inoculations for everything. As an anecdotal for instance, I was seeing my doctor for a couple of aches and pains I was experiencing when the topic of flu shots and forced managed healthcare came into the conversation. I admitted that I had never and will never take a flu shot nor any other type of preventative inoculation for as long as I live and there was nothing he could say that would change my mind. He smiled, leaned forward, and said in a quiet voice, “I’ll never take them either, I don’t believe that they are necessary.” Thank God there are still doctors around who fight against the graft and corruption which seethes within the body of big pharmaceutical businesses. I feel though that he is as rare as an honest politician.

    • Frederika

      I also had what was previously known as “childhood diseases” and survived just fine. I refuse to get any more vaccines. My last one was in the 90′s to prevent one of the upcoming flu pandemics. Shortly afterwards got the worst flu I ever had.

      Here in CA the autism rate is now 1:110. Such a “blessing”

  • DSK

    No wonder the lefties think we’re all antiscience when you publish articles like this one. Everyone knows that VAERS is the least reliable measure of medical dangers you could come across. It’s a voluntary system, and anyone can take part — and it’s mostly amateurs rather than medical professionals who do. A very high percentage of its reporters are attorneys . . . who can then bring class-action lawsuits based on their own reports: “It must be true because there’s been a VAERS report about it.”

    • uncle jimmy

      Why would a government takeover help a government entity end corruption ? They are the worst of the worst , the government entities . How have a government agency protected you lately? When and where did americans start believing that appealing to authority meant blindly following or bowing to orders . You appeal to authority to honestly answer questions about concerns you have in the area of the authority’s expertise . If they want you to blindly take orders and follow their mandates , and their is evidence that they don’t have your best interest at heart or brain and have deceived , lied , and suppressed information that is helpful to your health . It is then that the cdc , the fda , and ama have given away their authority and become impotent in saving and protecting the public , which should be the only role of government , physical protection from harm . Educate and emancipate yourself, the government has failed miserably in that department. Free your mind , we have to for the children and the future . Great article keep up the good work .

    • DaveH

      Anti-Science? Do you even know what kind of testing they do before they foist vaccines on an unwitting public?
      http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=5442
      Don’t confuse the quest for Free Choice with an aversion to science. Real Science is hard to come by in Government organizations. They have power and they use it. They don’t need no damn science.

  • wayne Hales

    Here are some statistics when considering on getting vaccinated. Although Pharmaceutical companies disagree in rhetoric, the facts tell another story. Do your own research. Google: “Autism” Honest researchers and Scientists estimate that 30 years ago 1 in 25,000 got autism after being vaccinated, while today 1 in 58 children come down with autism after being vaccinated.

    Also Google: “Gardasil Memorial” and you will find that Gardasil supposed to prevent cancer causes cancer. There have been about 69 deaths reported from Gardisil and over 22,000 adverse reactions. That are only those reported. How many deaths from Gardasil not reported. Some Pharmaceutical companies have admitted putting cancer viruses in their vaccines. I would never get a vaccination. Why you have no idea what is in their vaccines. Baxter labs got caught with what some say was intentional with Bio-Terrorism. Google: “Baxter labs” and see the truth.

    • Jeryl

      You are absolutely correct. That brings me back to the way it used to be. When vaccinations were not required until you were ready to start school, the immune systems of children were more fully developed and the vaccinations were tolerated much better. But, the all-knowing government, wanting to line the pockets of its benefactors in the pharmaceutical industry, pushed more and earlier vaccinations.

  • Seller

    Dr. Terry Lovell : explain this to me : Why do the infants that have been innoculated have to be separated from the infants that have not been innoculated? If the vaccines are truly effective, then the innoculated infants should not be in any peril of exposure from the non-innoculated ones. They should be immune. You are the one that cannot have it both ways. Either the vaccines give immunity or they do not. What’s the truth.

  • wayne Hales

    Seller: Great comment Seller: I was thinking the very same thing. Dr. Lovell most definitely is being funded in some way, some how by the Pharmaceutical industry. It is sad to see so many Doctors selling their soul for a buck.

    • Jeryl

      Of course. The vast majority of doctors get one kickback or the other from their pharmaceutical sponsors. I was once given a high blood pressure medication by my doctor that cost me $50 per month. Later, when my financial situation went south, I told him I would not be able to afford the medication. He said, “No problem. There are generic drugs that will do just as good. I just wanted to try the newer one on you.” I guarantee that he was receiving a bit of a kickback for using the more expensive, newer one.

  • John Roane

    Without natural exposure we weaken our race. The more exposure the better for the race, however, that does mean some will suffer and die, but on the other hand the race will improve over the long term. So are you looking for a quick fix that weakens the over all success of the race or just yourself?

    • Jeryl

      Agreed. However, recent research shows that the genetics of the human race is breaking down at an increasing rate. We are not evolving into a super race; we are degenerating physically. Despite the best efforts of some, all is not well with humanity.

    • Robert Smith

      From John: “Without natural exposure we weaken our race. ”

      So, will you allow folks to decide about recreational drugs themselves like they are allowed to decide about alcohol? After all, pot grows on trees, almost. It’s a natural substance. Why not let those weak minded folks “weed” themselves out?

      Rob

      • DaveH

        Do you allow people their own free choice when it comes to medical care, Robert (to wit, the Health Care Law)?
        Do you allow people to keep their own hard-earned money, Robert?
        Do you allow people educational freedom, Robert?
        Do you allow people to choose their own energy sources, Robert?
        Do you allow people who own businesses to decide who they want to employ and who they don’t want to employ, and how much to pay them, Robert?
        Do you allow people the freedom to pray in public or in public schools, Robert?

    • Karolyn

      This reminds me of a George Carlin piece on germaphobia where he rants about how he used to swim in the filthy East River in NYC as a kid and never got sick. It’s a really funny piece poking fun at the germaphobes. We need to be exposed to germs and bacteria. Look at what’s happening with antibiotics. So many doctors, assuaging their patients, giving them antibiotics for everything, resulting in super strains of bacteria. Personally, I don’t use any kind of antibacterial product. Soap and water works just fine if need be.

      • DaveH

        There you go. Now if you could just grasp the fact that the same is true for coddling people with other peoples’ money.

        • Karolyn

          Dave – I have never advocated “coddling” people with other people’s money. There is a difference between coddling and assisting, and there has to be a safety net, either that or just let people dry up and blow away.

  • cindy

    It is astonishing to me that any sane human being could even think of an idea to create a vaccine and put in toxic materials and then expect to inject it into unsuspecting, even consenting individuals, let alone innocent children and tiny infants and newborns. Liberty so come!

  • jerry

    Does anyone think that the government is great and has our best interests at heart? After all these fine public servants would never take bribes or enrich themselves at the publics expense. Surely if the officals financials were audited non would be richer after a few years of service. Wonderful, dedicated officials such as Ms Pelosi never would channel billions of taxpayer dollars to her family. “The Federal Family” is the only family that must be protected.

  • Mikey

    The reason they are doing this is because they are killing brain cells and turning the little tikes into life-long liberals.

    • DaveH

      You think vaccinations kill that many brain-cells, Mikey?

  • http://personalliberty.com Deb

    I’m just thankful that I am passed the child bearing years. Parents really don’t have a choice anymore, in that they can’t enroll their children in school without vaccines. So sad!!! I have grandchildren who don’t have a choice. Makes me sick to my stomach!!!! I’ve lived 58 years without this crap in my system and I’m fine. What makes me different than the children born today? I feel this is one of the biggest injustices to our children and grandchildren. It’s just WRONG!!

    • Elevenarrows

      What state do your grandchildren live in, Deb? Many states offer waivers. My sister’s kids attend government schools and have not received vaccinations. She applied for and received a waiver. She is in SC. My husband and I home educate for many reasons..one of which is the desire to oversee our children’s health without government science experiments such as vaccines. I would encourage you to see if you can get a waiver for future vaccinations. If that is not possible, you can check into how to offset some of the long-term damage of a vaccine by checking out Dr. Russell Blaylock’s website. On a side note, I would not wish to live in a state that violated the Constitutional rights of its citizens to that extent. You might should consider voting with your feet.

    • Lueder

      I have lived both in Utah and Colorado and both states allow a waiver for personal reasons as well as religious reasons, if you choose not to immunize your children and want to send them to the public school.

      Last spring in the area of Utah that we lived in, there was an epidemic of Chicken Pox. All of my other children had had chicken pox and survived. Our youngest was had just turned 8. I had to keep him home until the “danger of exposure” was over or until he got them. He was out of school for a month; 2 weeks of waiting to get the disease and 2 weeks waiting for the scabs to all fall off before he could go back. Total waste of time. Now that we are back in Colorado, we are home schooling again and won’t have to worry about being quarantined for something so trivial again.

      I was talking to my sister in law during his quarantine and she mentioned that she had had her daughter immunized for Chicken Pox and that in spite of the supposed “immunity” to the disease that my niece has gotten them twice. I have heard that those that received the MMR before a certain date should be reimmunized because the vaccine didn’t do it’s job in providing immunity the first time. I agree with the comments that have been made regarding keeping those that are inoculated away from those that are not. Who are we protecting?

      The government is already WAY TOO MUCH into our lives. They need to be a ton smaller than they are at all levels. They are like the camel in the sand storm poking their nose into the tent. They need to get back into the sand storm where God intended that they be. (So to speak)

    • Kerri

      We have 7 kids, ranging from 8 months to 18 years and I have gone from allowing my kids to be vaccinated as recommended,to asking for a delayed vax schedule, to holding off totally on vaccines for our baby. I was shocked at our 4 month check up when, after declining vaccination, I was informed that she had to begin some kind of vax schedule by her 6 month check up or be dropped from the practice. We have been going to this office for over 10 years! I was so flabbergasted that I failed to ask if there was a religious waiver I could sign. I just checked out and vowed to find an alternative.
      Fortunately, we have a friend and MD who used to work at that practice who has now opened his own practice where we can go without fear of this kind of pressure.
      One reason for our change of heart was unexplained febrile seizures and borderline autism in our now 13-year-old when she was 10 months old. She is now what most would categorize as ADD, but we are learning ways to help her adjust rather than medicate her with unproven drugs to help her attention span.
      I am only sorry that I didn’t wake up sooner and that I allowed some of my kids some vaccinations as recently as last year.
      Articles like this are most helpful for parents looking for answers.

  • linda

    This is nonsense. It is a public health concern and no — media is actually what perpetuates the silliness. For example, mortality rates are not the only concern. Do you know what whooping cough (aka pertussis) is? It’s miserable and lasts for months. It can disrupt your life enormously — AND IS HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS — so minimal side effects like a sore arm, well, just suck it up. So few people actually experience severe side effects of vaccinations that the number of prevented cases is worth the risk. When someone says, “thousands have experienced…” you need to ask “out of how many?” What’s the percentage? Don’t just give me a single number.
    Do your research people. It’s your personal responsibility. And the author?

    Where are the citations? Without them, she could be making up all sorts of things, but since it’s a published article, you all believe it has authority.
    I wouldn’t take anything at face value. For example, glutaric acidemia type I is a GENETIC DISORDER, not some result of and environmental exposure such as a vaccine. (http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/glutaric-acidemia-type-i)

    And autism? The author states with certainty that vaccines can cause autism. There is ABSOLUTELY NO such consensus from scientific research, so unless she has something backing that, it’s a perfect example of how far out there she is. I would not trust a thing she states without checking your facts.

    So, here’s a summary of this author’s credentials (Orthomolecular theory and practice): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthomolecular_medicine#Conspiracy_theories_alleged_by_orthomolecular_medicine_advocates

    Personally, I rely on science, not pseudoscience. That’s what’s brought us this far, and I bet many of you wouldn’t even be around were it not for scientific/medical advances. We should be grateful, not paranoid.

    I could go on, and I would love to, but I really ought to get on with my day! It’s alway’s energizing to have a good rant :)

    • Andrea B

      If ‘sore-arm’ was the only side-effect, I would be telling others to ‘suck it up,’ too. Unfortunately, it’s NOT.

      The pertussis vaccine in particular is contra-indicated in patients with neuro-based diseases. A large number of ‘neuro’ diseases do not present immediately. Once the asymptomatic patient receives this vaccine though, you (as a parent) are given the gift of watching your child waste away before your eyes. Come to work with me sometime…I’ll let YOU tell the parents to ‘suck it up.’

      Ron Paul 2012

    • DaveH

      No, Linda, you aren’t relying on Science. You are relying on your own personal judgement of which organization to believe. As we all do. So butt out of our choices. You are free to make your own (that is if Government busybodies will let you).
      Read this to learn about the “Science” of vaccinations:
      http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=5442

      By the way, if you take your vaccinations (and they work) you need not fear those of us who choose not to.

  • dixiesuzan

    It is also my understanding that vaccines contain other elements which are to help suppress the immune system in order for the vaccine to “take”. Continued vaccinations for every little scare can result in damage to the immune system from these and a lowering of body immune capacity in general.
    This information is based on my reading only and not on deep medical training.

    • Elevenarrows

      Yes, Dixie, vaccines contain some horrible things: aluminum, mercury, aborted baby parts (unfortunately, true) and other witches’ brew ingredients. Let’s not forget the wonderful Simian Monkey virus that was mixed in several decades ago! My father has non-Hodgkins lymphoma which many researchers believe is sometimes related to the Simian Monkey virus found in the vaccines. When adults with NHL have been tested, some have still shown that virus…it makes me angry. There is a horrifying interview with one of the makers of that particular vaccine (he gave a somewhat “deathbed” confession before he died about his part in the cover up). People need to accept responsibility for their own health and stop expecting the government organizations to care about the individual more than the power and the money they receive.

      • DaveH

        Or this “accidental” scandal in Europe:
        http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=3218

        From the article “A laboratory technician tested the Baxter Seasonal Flu vaccines sent to the Czech Republic and discovered that they were contaminated with a highly pathogenic version of the avian flu”.

  • Jim

    I was born in 1944 and as far as I know didn’t receive any of these shots. The only one I do know of was the polio vaccine.
    I grew up with no problems except for the regular illnesses and broken bones.
    Of course I grew up on the family dairy farm where there were all sorts of germs floating around. We need to experience them so we can build up an immunity to them instead of relying on drugs which the germs build up an immunity to instead. Then have to get more powerful drugs etc etc.
    Why, when a drug/med is advertised on tv, are there the possibility so many side effects listed. Some make it seem like taking the med would be worse than if you didn’t.
    Last year I did not get the flu vaccine because of the swine flu vaccine with it.
    My wife was sick. I wasn’t. I will do the same this year. She has had her shot.

  • Buddy

    After reading the newly issued book, Pharmocracy by William Faloon (ISBN 978-160766-011-8), I found out how corrupt deals and misguide medical regulations are hurting us all. The expose of the pillage of wealth (and health) seems so overwhelming that I bought an extra book and gave it to my congressional representative.
    The present situation is a health disaster. I wish I could figure out what to do other than just refusing (if I can) the poisons that presently are deemed necessary by misguided nannies.

  • Jim

    I am one who does not believe in innoculations.I have four children.Two deveoped asthma before they were six months old.The youngest developed asthma at about three years old.The two who developed asthma so young have had constant health problems.I started taking flu shots to keepfrom getting my kids sick,and ended up with pneumonia several times.I quit taking inoculations almost 20 years ago,and have not even had a cold since.So I think that innoculations are mostly useless,and I think that they depress your immune system enough,that if a super bug was released,that most of the deaths would be the ones who were vaccinated.

  • FreedomFighter
    • Capitalist at Birth

      Thank you for this site. I am going to NVIC.org today and sign up as a volunteer. May God bless you.

  • Red Sam Rackham

    Those vaccines are actually brought here by aliens from a distant planet who wnat to inject all earthlings with their DNA as a step in their quest to take over our planet. Some humans injected with these shots have evolved into mutants that have been sighted as Loch Ness Monsters and Bigfoot Yetis. It’s true! Really!☺

  • Richard Wolf

    The doctor that linked Autism and vaccinations has been discredited and lost his license to practice medicine.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      By,Whom?

    • AntiVaccine

      Anyone who questions Big Pharma will loose their medical license! Big Pharma has many money making scams that make us sick and kill many. And they have the power to punish anyone who opposes them. Follow the money.

  • KJQ

    It gets worse. Many companies making vaccines are changing the way they produce the vaccines from using animal cells (e.g. chicken eggs) to aborted fetal tissue! This is now the main reason why I and my children will not get any vaccinations.

  • http://Branham.org Gary

    My dad was in the best of health until after he took a flu shot. He never recovered, and passed away within 2 years. We have a dictatorship when it comes to health services. Alternative medicine is embraced in Canada and Mexico. People should be able to decide for themselves what’s right for them and their families. Friends of mine should not have had to go to the Mexican border for cancer treatments. I’ve heard that Laetrile was the 1st perfectly harmless substance outlawed by the USA. Even if it didn’t help, they shouldn’t have been denied this option. Many people have been put in jail just for giving advice about alternative medicine. Doctors don’t even take dietary classes to learn how food effects medicine. I’ve heard that medical schools are heavily financed by drug companies. It’s time to get out grandma’s herb books.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Right on brother!

  • http://drstangale.com/immunization.aspx Dr. Stan Gale

    Dr. Terry Lovell,

    Scary you’re still in a paradigm that’s been disgraced, yet you keep holding onto it. Scarier still that you push this on others – especially uneducated parents and defenseless children. Please see http://drstangale.com/immunization.aspx My very own nephew unfortunately received immunizations from a typical pediatrician.
    At approximately 2 1/2 years of age, he became ill and listless immediately following a vaccination shot. The Doctor couldn’t do anything to help.
    He recovered from being ill but stopped speaking and making eye contact with his parents – or anyone else.
    He was soon diagnosed as Autistic.
    Now at 11 years old he is unable to lead a normal life.
    He will never be socially or intellectually intact. Nor will he ever be an independent and productive human being.
    Nothing saddens me more than to have a medically brain-damaged relative and see the family devastation.
    But realize this is happening everyday to unsuspecting families who could so easily avoid permanently damaging their precious progeny.
    All parents need to be educated to avoid this human tragedy.

    • Karolyn

      Thank you for your response.

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      Dr. Stan Gale

      We want to emphasize that proper vaccination is vital for protecting people against infectious disease. We also need to mention that over-vaccinating the population …

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071107170749.htm

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Also,

        Risk factor?

        Concerns over vaccine adverse effects and conflicts of interest led the … We are actually changing our genetic code through vaccination…100 years from now we …

        vaccinesarebad.blogspot.com

    • TomP

      Ditto what Karolyn said.

  • Andrea B

    It’s clear from all of the arguments that are both ‘for’ and ‘against’ vaccines, that the decision should be left to the parents, which is so much better than letting the government decide.

    DOH! Too late! Rules are rules!

    Ron Paul 2012

  • Average Joe

    I have been lucky concerning vaccinations. I have had two vaccinations in my whole life (I am 55). My first vaccination was a polio shot when I was 6 years old ( in 1962,the school system wouldn’t allow me to start school without that single vaccination).
    My next vaccination occurred at the age of 18… Uncle Sam sent me overseas and forced me to accept a smallpox vaccination in order to leave the country. Other than that, I have had no vaccinations against anything, no flu shots no anything (I wouldn’t have taken either of those two, had I been given a choice)….and I am in better health than just about everyone I know in my age group.
    Nowadays, they start with the vaccinations at birth, before your child even leaves the hospital, they are (in the words of Arlo Guthrie), “Inspected, injected and infected” by at least 5-7 vaccinations. Before the age of 6, most children have been exposed to approximately 45 vaccinations and “other” shots…and we wonder about the high rate of Autism, mental retardation and so many other maladys effecting out children….well, wonder no more….you have the answers now. Time for us to stand up and stop this barbaric practice of innoculating our children with God knows what….to quote First Lady Nancy Reagan…”Just say NO!” and stick to your guns!!!

  • scienceknowsmythologygoes

    This article represents the highest form of total irresponsibility. Why don’t you all swear allegiance to God (with whom I have nothing against, as a spiritual guide to good social behavior, and true goodness, through real religions, never ever cults, however), and let the plague run you over and destroy you all, just like in the times of European and global plagues. You may pray your best, or if you choose to go pagan, sacrifice all you wish, but you will affect not one plague! All you can affect are yourself, and your victims!

    The article is written by an uneducated conspiracy theorist, who has no business being included in a supposedly responsible public forum, which I have therefore, with cause, lost total respect for and will spread, such knowledge of this affront to modern enlightenment.

    You may as well go back to the pagan times of lack of education, and lack of intelligence, for you listen to an individual lacking in reality, and lacking in one or more items of proof, absolutely not one, legitimate scientific peer reviewed source. I said scientific, not myth!

    Without vaccines, countless 100,000s of thousands, and even millions of lives would be destroyed or negatively affected, damaged, crippled or killed.

    Grow up, wake up! Learn reality, accept responsibility, if you have at least average IQ’s.

    • Karolyn

      “Grow up, wake up! Learn reality, accept responsibility, if you have at least average IQ’s.”
      Right back atcha! :-)

    • TomP

      How arrogant are your assumptions! The Plague was caused by people living on top of one another and making the street their toilet. Not by the lack of vaccines. If you saw official numbers on how many people died from smallpox vaccination in the 1800′s and early 19′s you would be shocked.

      Your “modern enlightenment” statement is humerous. If the europeans would have followed the clear sanitation laws from the Bible which was written in the “unenlightened past”, nobody would have heard of “The Plague”, except for the plague of ignorance I see here.

      I think you are living in the alternate reality.

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      scienceknowsmythologygoes and Karolyn

      Who invented vaccination?
      It may have been used in ancient China, India or Persia. But we do know that Edward Jenner was the first person which the first recorded vaccination. … As a natural disease, the origin of smallpox can be traced back to the prehistoric culture …
      http://www.experiment-resources.com/who-invented-vaccination.html

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      scienceknowsmythologygoes

      Toxoids are produced for the immunization against toxin-based diseases, such as …. Early forms of inoculation may have been developed in ancient China. …
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination

  • tonyd

    The president of AARP was on the Oreilly Factor recently and was totally frazzeled when Oreilly asked if AARP was a liberal organization or not.AARP had supported the passing of obamacare and will receive 1 billion over next 10 years.We have been sold out by the likes of AARP.We should switch over to AMAC.This group more friendly to views which are important to esniors in USA.

  • Julie

    When people talk about the flu, what I heard about it is the health board trys to figure out what flu virus is going to attack us before fle season and injects that flu virus into us in hope that it makes it more emmune. But some people get the flu worse when they get the shot. Could it be that they got over dosed with that type of flu or maybe they guessed the wrong flu virus.

  • dave

    MOST OF YOU FORGET THAT FLU SHOTS AND THE LIKE ARE FULL OF MERCURY. SO YOU CAN LOOK FORWARD TO ALZHIEMERS WHEN YOU GET OLDER. AND THERE ARE SO MANY STRAINS OF FLU VIRUS THEY RARELY DO ANY GOOD.

  • cenk

    I think the fact that we are being poisoned by drugs or vaccines is intentional. Consider not only the case of toxic poisons introduced into vaccines, but also all of the people being exposed to toxic industrial waste or even the fumes from the burning towers of 9-11 and the consiatant denial from government agencies that there is any harm done.
    I have heard that vaccines can be made with out perservatives like mercury and anti freeze and so on. A different delivery systmem is needed. It can be done with a single dose prefilled injection without preservatives. This has always been possible to manufacture. So this is why I think the poisoning is intentional, and the various antidotes, which are well known (but not to physicians) are never perscribed or considered to be a resonable treatment.

  • JeffH

    I know this is un-related but I feel it important enough to share…

    Used-car salesman as Iran proxy? Why assassination plot doesn’t add up for experts.

    The US has blamed the specialist Qods Force in an Iran assassination plot. But those who track the group say the plot doesn’t reflect the careful planning, efficiency, and strategy the Qods Force is known for

    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/1012/Used-car-salesman-as-Iran-proxy-Why-assassination-plot-doesn-t-add-up-for-experts

  • eljay

    I have personal experience with negative effects of vaccinations on infants (mine). I am horrified at the pushiness of vaginal cancer vaccines for young females. I cannot agree that vaccines are, on the whole, beneficial. More people need to buck the system.

  • Jan

    There is a video called “Global Eugenics – Using Medicine to Kill,
    it can be found at http://www.myspace.com/video/vid/100720572. The video is a little over 2 hrs, but even if you just listen to the first 7 minutes, it will help you decide for yourself, if vaccinations are dangereous. There are many doctors on this video reporting on the dangers of vaccinations along with personal stories of victims. Hope this helps. God Bless.

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      Jan says
      You got the wrong web link.You got Internet Explorer.

      “There is a video called “Global Eugenics – Using Medicine to Kill,
      it can be found at( http://www.myspace.com/video/vid/100720572.) The video is a little over 2 hrs, but even if you just listen to the first 7 minutes, it will help you decide for yourself, if vaccinations are dangereous. There are many doctors on this video reporting on the dangers of vaccinations along with personal stories of victims. Hope this helps. God Bless”.

      • JeffH

        cm, that is the link that was posted and it worked for me…so it wasn’t wrong as you suggested.

        Your link is exactly the same link that was posted above.

  • Moonfroot

    Can no one these days think for themselves anymore? I have been in healthcare for over 30 years and yes alot of it is overkill and (where the FDA is concerned) corrupt. But some of it is good valid medicine too. I have also been a big crusader for alternative medicine too, a field that also has a good and bad side. The bottom line is each person and/or parent must use their brain- investigate, talk with healthcare providers and never just go with the flow…I have one healthy intelligent and wonderful child. Though it was not offered at the time of her birth I would never have let her be vaccinated at one day old with the Hep vaccine! But she was vaccinated for polio and mmr. Her school tried to insist that she be revaccinated with mmr as they felt she had recieved it to early (a few months) and they recieved a flat NO. And though the stats that were quoted in this article seem low (death from measles etc) they do not show the number of childern that were adversly affected by becoming ill with any of the mentioned diseases. These illnesses often bring with them a very high fever that can lead to and in some cases did lead to brain damage. Many childern lived through a course of polio but so many lived on crutches or in iron lungs. But my point here is, to coin an old cliche “don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.” Always be aware of what is going into your or your child’s body. Stay informed and then make the best choice you can.

  • Buck

    The FDA is owned lock stock and barrel by the big pharmaceutical companies along with big chemical , And even now as I speak there is legislation moving through Washington to give them more power , this time to include natural supplements as well as many other non-prescription self medicating products . This is because they have several big patents expireing and don’t want to see a decrease in their bottom lines . All of this is in complete disregard to the health and wealth of the American consumer .

  • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

    The only thing I’m sure of after reading all the comments, none of us are sure about anything and it becomes a guessing game where we hope we guess right with a life that is not our own.

    • Tom Dolan

      I am sure of many things, some of them on a probabilistic basis.

      Here is one for free, Do NOT draw to an inside straight and do not play for money with strangers named Billie Bob or Bubba.

    • Med Student

      Ask you physician… (the guy who spent over half his life in school studying the human body)
      Don’t look to some article written by somebody who was the editor of the college newspaper for healthcare advice….

      • waffleman

        Tell that to my daughter (8 yrs old) who now has to live with type 1 diabetes for the rest of her life. Type 1 is an immune system caused disease.

        Look at the statistics, dramatic rise in immune sytem related and caused diseases after a huge increase in vaccines.

        My eldest daughter (less than a year old at the time) had an epileptic type seizure a few hours after reciving a vaccine coctail. She seems to be okay today and hopefully will remain so. My youngest now has type 1 diabetes. She almost died from it in the initial onset. Both girls were allergic to mosquito and black fly bites. I had to run both of them to the emergency due to massive swelling after a bite. Every time they got bit I had to pour Benedryl into them to keep them from swelling like a balloon. And that’s real good for the liver and kidneys too, isn’t it?

        I wish I had never had my children vaccinated.

        People aren’t well enough informed of the possible life long side effects. We’re led like sheep into thinking it’s all okay and nothing bad will happen. Tell that to my daughter who can no longer just have a piece of cake and ice cream with the rest of the kids at her birthday party. She has to have everything measured first so we can give her a shot of insulin. Forget about seconds unless you want another shot. And now what about all the other health related issues that can be caused by the diabetes – blindness, loss of legs, kidney failure, do I need to go on!!!

        I think you know what I think you can do with your vaccines.

        Have a nice day

  • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Vaccination-Information-Network-VINE/69667273997 Erwin Alber

    The title “There’s A Downside To Vaccinations” implies that there is an upside to vaccination. The only upside to vaccinations is in my opinion the financial gain to those who benefit financially from this organised criminal enterprise dressed up as disease prevention by means of junk science.

    Vaccines also don’t have “side”-effects, because the wide-spread harm they cause is their only effect.

    Vaccination is a fraud because vaccines have never prevented anything, apart from health, sanity and common sense.

    • Tom Dolan

      If you are saying that they don’t work because you have received some divine revelation, then … never mind. If you think that ‘evidence’ should enter into deciding such matters, then you may find that looking at evidence of, for example the incidence of polio in, say 1952 and 1962, may give you reason to reconsider.

    • Med Student

      LOL!.. Clearly you know nothing about science or how the human body or the healthcare industry works (thats ok though, neither does the author of this article). There is no money in vaccinations. Only a small few even produce them bc there is no profit in that area. Every insurance company covers vaccinations and if you don’t have coverage and your children don’t qualify for medicaid you can come up with the money by looking under your couch cushions. Its NOT expensive. For your childrens sake, please, get them vaccinated. While your there, ask your physician (the guy who spent over half his life in school and paid $200,000+ for educational costs) to explain how vaccinations work. Oh, and some free advice.. stop reading “junk science” like this article on the internet.

      • KJQ

        Whenever I start to think that medicine has all the answers, I remember what a former family doctor of mine once told me “Ken, just remember that medicine is thousands of years of trial and error”.

        The bottom line is that the individual has the right to make their own choices regarding healthcare. No one has the right to force one to take medicine, so why vaccinations?

        • Mike C

          So your sick kid does not infect someone else’s healthy child, is why.

          • KJQ

            But, if their healthy child is vaccinated, they won’t get sick from my child. If their child is not vaccinated, then they’ve accepted the risk that their child might get that disease. Where’s the problem?

            By the way, my children are home educated, and when they are ill they don’t go out until better.

    • Mike C

      So, smallpox has not been eradicated, polio is still common in America, according to your views. The same applies to a number of communicable diseases that no longer threaten the public health. You apparently believe these diseases just became tired of infecting and killing people. I am otherwise speechless at your ignorance.

  • Karolyn

    Just a few thoughts – The human body was deisgned to heal itself given the right elements. We are not all the same, and there is no one-size-fits-all cure for everything. That is why it is up to us not to be sheep and follow everything the powers-that-be, whether medical or political, tell us. The best patient is an informed patient.

    On another note what would happen if everything was curable, everybody took the best care of himself, and death was done away with? Of course, the answer is there would be too many human beings on planet earth. Death is, in actuality, essential to life. Thank goodness we are all different!

  • Will Goss

    Ever heard of Guillain Barre Syndrome ? Can be induced by a flu shot and it left me totally paralyzed for a year. 3 years later l can walk in braces and can’t use my hands. 2 in 100,000 fall victim.

  • Med Student

    For people how value reason and logic:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20045099

  • Mom of Asperger’s

    I find this information disturbing, and am more upset each time I find out more! At birth, my son was aware–even ‘flirting’ with the nurses, pushing himself up on his hands from his stomach, and enjoyed being held, and was trying to breast feed. I even made my husband double check the bracelets and compare the photos he had taken earlier, but I would testify under oath that the moment they brought him back from receiving those shots that it seemed like the nurses had actually handed me someone else’s baby. He was stiff as a board, refused to breast feed, screamed almost constantly for months, vomited his formula routinely, had chronic diarrhea, very rarely napped or even slept, and though he was healthy otherwise and as he grew he proved to be very clever and intelligent, he has speech and motor skill issues, and quite possibly other developmental issues that simply haven’t been exposed yet. Nearly five very long and difficult years later, his speech teacher at school helped me discover he actually has Asperger’s Syndrome–a form of autism–after our pediatrician and general practioner repeatedly pronounced him completely fine…(in my opinion, a routine denial that the pediatrician could have done anything wrong!) It’s a full time job caring for my son. We can’t get assistance because my husband ‘makes too much money’, though I hardly see how only $40,000 a year in MI’s tough economy is ‘enough’–we barely ‘get by’. If this was caused by a vaccine required by our government for him to be able to attend public school, where is the justice?! What kind of ‘normal’ life can I expect for my child?! What girl will want to marry ‘damaged goods’?! The questions are never-ending…

    • Elevenarrows

      Mom of Asperger’s, I am a mother of eleven kids and I lost three before birth. In reading between the lines of your last post, I am hearing a lot of anguish in your words. I am so sorry for what you have experienced. I know that your mother’s heart is telling you the truth: that your baby was born fine and was completely different after the vaccinations were administered. Sometimes only a mother can distinguish the subtle nuances that give evidence to such changes in a child. Because I have so many kids and my husband delivers our babies and I have studied natural remedies for many years, mothers will often call me for help with their birth plans, pursuing natural remedies, etc. I have learned from LISTENING to these mothers, that their intuitive instincts are often correct…so I believe YOU.

      I just wanted to remind you that you are so much more than a mother of a child with Asperger’s. And, your child does not need to be defined by Asperger’s either. I know it is difficult to be living the daily struggles of this syndrome, but I think your child is most fortunate. God chose YOU to rear this special needs child. If you will simply trust God and seek His counsel, He will give you everything you need to successfully rear this child. He would not have chosen you for this task only to abandon you. And to answer your heart-voiced questions or what kind of future your child can expect–exactly the future God planned for him. Don’t fret over the what ifs…God can write a beautiful story for your child…if you and he will allow Him to.

      Treasure every moment of motherhood. It has been said that “the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world”. Perhaps in doing what you are to spread the word, in nurturing a special needs child (or any child), in doing what you can to fight against future dangerous vaccinations…you are having more of an impact on society than you realize. It is only through concerned parents sharing their experiences and fighting for the final say in the health care of our children that we can make a difference.

      May God bless you with abundant energy, patience, and humor as you rear your child/children.

  • Mike C

    The article implies many negative things about immunizations but does not provide proof of cause and effect. As many people with an ax to grind do, the author only believes things which support her opinions, not studies that contradict them. Conspiracy theories are entertaining but not particularly useful. There is ample evidence that immunizations save lives, not take them.
    The American public has become woefully ignorant and anti-scientific in its view of the world. It is no wonder that so many professionals come from other countries now.

  • waffleman

    If I new 12 years ago what I know now I never would have had my daughters vacinated. At less than a year old my eldest daughter had an epileptic type seizure a few hours after having a regiment of vaccines. Thankfully she seems to be okay today. My youngest daughter was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes last March. She almost died from the initial attack. Her sugar was over 600. The lipids, white blood cells, etc. registered over 23,000, it should be around a 100. Her blood was pink in color istead of red. Her blood was thick almost paste like. If she had had a heart attack there wouldn’t have been anything they could have done to save her. She spent 6 days in the hospital with Ketoacidosis and pancreatitis. She couldn’t catch her breath due to the CO2 building up so high in her blood.

    Both of my daughters were allergic to mosquito and black fly bites when they were young. I rushed both of them to the emergency at different times because they were swelling like a balloon from a bite. I started asking questions of other parents about the allergic reaction. Other parents are having the same problem. 40 years ago I never heard of anybody being allergic to a mosquito bite. What’s changed? Allergys are an immune system problem. Are the vaccines hurting the immune system? I believe yes.

    Not long after my wife and I started searching vaccine related illnesses. The immune system attacks and kills the cells that produce insulin. We found data supporting type 1 diabetes caused by vaccines. Every time I read an article about vaccines I get angry. My family has to live with this. My daughter has to deal with this for the rest of her life. We worry about our eldest daughter also getting diabetes or something even worse.

    As the rate of vaccinations is rising so is the rate of immune system related diseases. It’s not hard to put the parts of the puzzle together. But of course we’re dealing with the government, CDC, Medical societies, etc. Also all the drones who support the vaccines. There’s a big cover-up going on. It’s all okay to them as long as it’s not there child who has been physically or mentally damaged by the vaccines. History shows diseases were at an all time low when vaccines first hit the public. Vaccines are given the credit for the reduction in diseases. This is false. The real answer was doctors and nurses realizing they needed to keep everything sterile. Simple, washing everything before seeing the next patient stopped the spread of germs and viruses.

    I’d like to see the CDC and government do some studies between vaccinated and unvaccinated children around the country. Maybe they have though and they just don’t want people to know the results. Or it gets skewed to fit the needs of the CDC. How many people are going to need to die and be mentally or physically damaged before the government will admit the mistake it’s made. But of course they can’t make that admission. The law suites would be horendess.

    I could go on for ever talking about this subject. But I guess I and my family are just going to have to live with this.

    To those who right the articles like the one above, please keep it up, don’t stop. It’s the only way we have to get the word out about just how much we’re hurting our children with these toxic vaccines.

  • Jim C

    I can’t get behind the idea of forced vaccinations. If people want to give their children vaccines, then fine. But no one should be forced.

    We have lots of Altzheimers in my community. I think I know how it starts. For decades the water department floridated our water, to the consternation of most of the community. Where does the sodium floride that is used for fluoridation come from? It is supposedly the byproduct, “left over”, or excess of aluminum production. In aluminum production, Sodium Floride dissolves and separates aluminum from the precursor (alumina). Electricity is then used to plate the aluminum out of solution onto electrodes.

    What does the sodium floride do in our water? I suspect it dissolves aluminum from our aluminum cookery. And the dissolved aluminum ions in the water pass the brain barrier, and lodge in our brains, causing Altzheimers. Doctors have been reporting for years that altzheimers victims have a lot of aluminum in their brains.

    If the additives in vaccines also allow aluminum to pass the blood brain barrier, then it is no surprise that we have so much altzheimers.

  • gordon claycomb

    In 1957,already having a mouthful of amalgam (mercury) fillings, i got 5 shots in one day – each containing thimerasol (the mer in the middle of the word indicates mercury)…..as i got weaker and weaker over the next 6 weeks And developed Bell’s palsy (facial paralysis)my Dad said “oh,oh it was those X&$%# shots”. Three months hospitalized (bedridden) and 3 months rehab later before i could return to school. Fast fwd almost 2 decades to Pres. Ford’s national swine flu vac. program when over 200 cases of GBS resulted (some died) and suspicions confirmed.Inoculations containing toxins and contaminants are dangerous and should be banned. No 10,000 double blind study needed for that one :-)) G.C. now 75

    • CJM

      I refused to take the swine flu shot in addition to the regular flu vaccine because the FDA did not put the swine flu vaccine through the same tests all other medications hd to undergo. After the pharmas combined the swine flu vaccine with the regular, I no longer accept the flu vaccine no matter what the physicians et al say…more people die from those vaccines than the disease itself. Rather reminiscent of the thalidomide horror, isn’t it.

  • Nancie

    This article is full of flaws…essentially, it’s full of crap. Vaccines are necessary for the welfare of the masses; it is about PUBLIC HEALTH which is on a higher ethical plane than individuals. It is a global problem and should be treated as such. In medicine, we weigh the risk vs. the benefit when making decisions, just as we do for public health. Yes, there are risks, but the billions of people’s lives saved because of it are worth it, I hope you agree. Don’t be selfish; immunize your kids.

    • CJM

      You are full of beans, Nancie–this article is factual. As for the so-called health departments being at a ‘higher ethical plane’ I say hogwash. They are a large segment of big government and they DO promote big pharma, who helps pay for some of their research. I don’t trust them, period. I also know for a fact that their ethics go out the window because they call outsiders and give your medical informtion to ‘interested third parties.’ You think that’s ethical??? I sure don’t.

  • Margie

    Why are vaccines mandatory? I should be allowed to choose. If vaccines were available to those who wanted and believed in them then they are protected anyway, right? If you want them, get them. That way you’re protected. Leave me the hell alone.

  • http://www.headprimer.com kantstanja

    How we gonna fight this? Since 1980′s inoculations have been mandatory (meaning legally forced upon us) and those who refuse vaccines for their children are subject to criminal charges and separation of family. At the first breath of life this begins without parental approval.. To get into school, to get into the military.. in short, your entire life this (protection?) has been forced upon you and your heirs. How we gonna fight the system? There is an ‘out’ however and it has to do with the church.. Being a member of a certain ‘sect’ you can fight this push from the mandatory feds but that doesn’t make you immune to justice and incarceration and surrounding the propaganda of it’s nature, your friends and family can criticize your choices. How we gonna save or children? The Big pharma is at the root of all this and their focus is.. Profit! The g’ment is merely their legal hand puppet thus what may be against the constitution can be changed and bastardized by the big pharma lobbiests that forces amendments with pay-offs and favors (see the insurance lobby’s success in this matter).. Inoculations are good in most cases, but not so the repetitiousness of the same old thing. Take the computer for instance: When you first receive your machine, there will be ‘bugs’ in it, so the provider follows through with updates (inoculations) each being better than the last in order to detect then eliminate these bugs through vaccinations then continue the updates to address and eliminate any by-product of the original update that could affect what it’s curing by it’s presence until everything operates in harmony, yet the big pharma ignorantly (or rather greedily) over looks these by-product eliminations by ignoring the side effects and continue to offer the same vaccinations with the same dangers that they’ve known about since the beginning and only recently have been forced to divulge to the public that their poisoning us. These people are supposed to be our leaders, our think tanks that work for the benefit of the people yet they can’t (rather haven’t) eliminated even ONE side effect since it’s introductions (sounds like a profit ploy to me).. How we gonna protect ourselves when everything can (and will) be taken from us if we don’t obey and bow down to it’s (man induced) legality? Bottom line is, we’re screwed and this is just ONE aspect of the control that’s covertly forced upon us by big b’ness and even our own g’ment..

  • Jaci

    For all of you who think that vaccines cannot be forced, I agree–for the moment. I was placed on unpaid leave for disciplinary reasons last week. What policy did I violate? I refused to get a flu vaccination. If I do not comply by Dec 8th, I will be terminated. Remember the newspaper photo of the NY nurse sitting on a curb with a sign that read, “It’s me today, but it will be you tomorrow.” She had it right.

    • Lisa

      Jaci – Sorry to hear about your situation. It’s past your deadline for submitting to the vaccination policy, were you able to keep your job without being vaccinated? Praying for your situation.

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