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The Worst Debates Ever?

October 1, 2012 by  

The Worst Debates Ever?
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Mitt Romney waves to the crowd at the Republican Presidential Debate.

Both campaigns are telling voters not to expect much in the Presidential debates. If you listen to all the hype, you would think that each party believes the opposing candidate is more competent. If neither party thinks its candidate is capable, why should the American people believe he is?

Early in the month, the Barack Obama campaign told voters to expect Mitt Romney to win the debates.

Obama’s campaign spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki said: “While Mitt Romney has done 20 debates in the last year, he has not done one in four years, so there certainly is a challenge in that regard.”

Now, the Romney campaign has followed suit, telling voters not to expect much out of Romney. The GOP provided a memo to CNN on Thursday, saying that Obama is “widely regarded as one of the most talented political communicators in modern history.” The memo goes to state that Obama will attack Romney with his “ample rhetorical gifts and debating experience.”

Republicans seem to think that lowering expectations is a good tactic, so they have decided to imitate the Democrats.

The message from Democrats: Romney is an experienced debater. Expect him to win the debate but lose the election.

The message from Republicans: Obama is an experienced debater. Expect him to win the debate but lose the election.

If Ron Paul had a spot on the stage, I doubt his backers would be praising the opposition.

Bryan Nash

Staff writer Bryan Nash has devoted much of his life to searching for the truth behind the lies that the masses never question. He is currently pursuing a Master's of Divinity and is the author of The Messiah's Misfits, Things Unseen and The Backpack Guide to Surviving the University. He has also been a regular contributor to the magazine Biblical Insights.

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  • Warrior

    A couple of zingers for each to give the talkingheads some fodder for a week. Circus McGircus is in town.

  • http://liberty Tony

    To Everyone: Both candidates are turkeys. This debate is about,who’s the bigger one.

    • Corkey

      Exactly

    • alpha-lemming

      Or lesser???????
      Alas…. another election where the voters are forced into damage control opting for the lesser of 2 evils. The last question you ask yourself prior to blackening the oval (pulling the lever)…….. “Who’s gonna screw things up the least”???????

      • Natasha Hedlund

        Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. Why don’t we step out of the box for 1 election. Just one and see what someone that is not in the center of this forced duopoly can do. LIVE FREE!!!

      • http://facebook firedup

        I agree 100% with Natasha – which is why i’m an independant/TEA party member – we’ve got to get away from the present political cesspool it never changes – it never will..Another thing that HAS TO BE DONE is to do away with political ” hacks ” being able to make a career out of being a politician – as soon as they figure out they’ve actually got to produce like the rest of us out here in La-La land and actually utilize some God given skills instead of the gift to [expletive deleted] – as in have a day job/skill in addition to your stint as a politico.Think about it – in our jobs don’t we do whatever it takes within reason to keep our jobs? Its absolutely the same for the ” annointed ” ones they’re going to do WHATEVER it takes to keep their gravy train rolling – so what if the American public gets in the way..We PAY THEIR DAMN SALARIES ITS TIME WE STARTED ACTED THE PART OF THE EMPLOYER …

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      Ha ha ha….that’s an insult to turkeys

    • gunner689AI

      That is painfully obvious as to who the turkey is. He’s already well done.

  • G

    *Note to all the fine folks at Personal Liberty Digest, Bob Livingston, Bryan Nash, et al : I regret to inform you that the Ron Paul campaign is over, he is no longer in this presidential race. Please take some comfort in the fact that the Romney campaign has adopted a few of his ideas and make the most of this forum and your vote to remove BHO from the white House.
    - a note from reality

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Here’s another note from reality!!! We have the RIGHT to vote for WHOMEVER we please!!! It’s still America, for a little while longer!!! I REFUSE to vote for the candidates THEY chose!!! NEITHER of these people(?) will restore our republic!!! If people don’t WAKE UP to the false left/right paradigm, we are doomed!!! As long as YOU go along with THEM, WE LOSE!!!

      • Gary L

        Nancy, Unfortunately, Dr. Paul in not on the ballot.
        Priority one is to get Obama out of office. Writing in Ron Paul on the ballot will not help to achieve that. If we get Obama out, at least there may be a republic left to save. The republic will not survive another 4 years of Obama.

      • Viet Nam Vet 67-68

        Nancy I wanted Ron Paul more than most, but if we do vote for him we will not win and you WILL Guarantee Abomination’s return to finish the Destruction of our Country. I don’t like Romney I think the way this Campaign is being run I think McCain is running again but Romney is still better than Re-Electing the Marxist Sunni Muslim Illegal Kenyan Born Semi White Man who Hates Whites and America and is allowed by his Queerann to LIE TO THE INFIDEL !!!!!!!

      • Homer

        Dr Paul isn’t on the ballot but Gary Johnson is, a vote for third party is not a wasted vote it, is a vote for a true change in the same lesser of two evils. It may be another evil all together, but you can keep eating the sloppy seconds and thirds from the two establishment parties or you can vote for Constitutional rights, liberty and the end to Unnecessary war. You can find Johnson on FB and more often on redit talking with common people as a common man.

      • speedle

        Homer, you don’t seem to get it. What good is a protest vote as you sink country with your useless vote. Obama and his gangsters are depending upon people like you to get elected. IMO you and your ilk are far worse than the left wingers who vote for their ideology regardless of the candidate. You set libertarian causes back decades with your stubborn tactless strategies.

    • alpha-lemming

      Sad but true……. sure wish I could write in Dr. Paul, but……..
      UNQUESTIONABLY, Ross Perot gave us Bubba, and it was close enough that arguably Ralph Nader gave us Bush-43.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        Bubba was a better president than GHW Bush….you should thank Ross Perot
        At least the republicans reformed for a few years until they thought we forgot what they were supposed to stand for

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      thanks to the dirty dealings of Romney followers

      they were afraid to even let him speak at the convention

      the liberty movement is alive and well

      consider the eight years under President George W. Bush. For four of those eight years, the Republican Party had control of both the executive and legislative branches of government. Was this period of time a beacon of limited government and liberty-friendly legislation?

      Hardly. In fact, quite the opposite. A Republican president gave us such expensive, big government boondoggles as No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D, PATRIOT Act, TARP, bailouts, stimuli, massive military intervention, NSA wiretapping and other egregious civil liberties violations, and on and on and on and on. Simply having a president with an ‘R’ after his name does not mean he will help the cause of liberty in any way shape or form!”

      Romney has expressed in interview and debates that he is FOR the SAME atrocities that you see perpetrated by Obama. The only difference I see in a Romney presidency is that you, and the rest of the conservative right who see Romney as a saviour in this election, will be silent and content thinking your “man” will make everything right again.

      • alpha-lemming

        True….. But I don’t think many on this forum view Romney (still haven’t decided if I can vote for him or not yet) as a panacea, we’re just trying to buy some time.

        There’s no doubt the fat-cat, anti-liberty, puritan-theocratic, draconian, punitive, corporate-puppet Republican establishment is taking us to hell on a freight-train. The problem is the whining vicitm, helplessly inept, stupid, confiscatory, parasitic, divisive, egocentric, Communist, criminal Democrats are taking there on an SST !!!!! We can correct the ramifications of a term of Mitt…… I don’t think we have that option with 4 more years under Chairman Oba-Mao.

      • gunner689AI

        you’re living proof of why stupid people shouldn’t vote, especially stupid females.

      • speedle

        You don’t know what you are talking about Rhonda. Bush had the legislature for 2 years, and he initally was trying to reform social security but couldn’t get it done because of democrat filibuster threat. Then the rest of his first term was dominated by the 9-11 attack (which certain………people think he ordered himself…..no further comment necessary).

        The part D thing was the only way to get HSAs legislated (which are far more strategically important than the Medicare drug thing), and it was absolutely inevitable that some sort of drug coverage would be added to Medicare. It could have been much worse. It would have been nice to get HSAs and not have part D, but that was impossible at the time.

        The bottom line is you (and those that think like you) seem to have no perspective, and I can’t help but suspect that you are some kind of left wing shill posing as libertarians trying to further the Obama agenda. Nothing else makes sense.

      • nickkin

        If Romney gets rid of obummer health plan, that in itself will give us some time to be a free American.

      • nickkin

        It’s better than nothing and obozo is nothing…the choice you have is either wearing a berka as an under-rated muslum-man hating the female (they do like pole-dancers away from their tents) or you could be a mormon and get to visit utah.!

    • A REAL conservative not a LIBERALtarian

      Quite shocking, isnt it?

    • sgtcitizen

      It’s funny, that I don’t see anyone posting about “the other” Presidential candidate who WILL be on all but possibly a couple of the ballots, and who’s views are A LOT like Ron Paul’s. Gary Johnson on the Libertarian ticket recently polled at 24% on a nation wide poll. “The CPD, a private corporation created by and for the Republican and Democratic parties, agreed to implement the debate contract. And, in order to shield the major party candidates from criticism, the CPD is allegedly concealing the contract from the public and the press.” “At least THREE of the original sponsors of the 2012 presidential debates have pulled their support over the exclusion of Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson, arguing that the commission which runs the debates is locked into a two-party outlook” http://www.lp.org/blogs/staff/three-sponsors-pull-out-from-debates-over-exclusion-of-2-term-governor-gary-johnson

  • randall

    looks like the true losers is the american people, with thise big bang canidates.

  • Scott in SC

    I don’t expect much with “the party” controlling the debates and limiting the participants to only its candidates. A debate featuring all the candidates would show Romney and Obama as the most incompetent of the all the candidates running.

  • Corkey

    Like the media is going to actually ask intelligent and important questions?

    • http://yahoo Larry

      Debate questions, Mr Romney please name the leaders of all 187 countries, Mr Obama, How many states makeup the USA

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The debate questions do not matter anymore. We already know as a people what O and Romney stand for ideologically.
      Romney’s biggest roadblock right now to overcome is the flattery he got from his enemy O that he Romney is a better debater. Flattery even when it comes from your enemy makes you vulnerable to deception.

    • Steve E

      The Mainstream Media is going to declare Obama the winner of the debates no matter how bad he may be or how many gaffs he makes. That’s the way it works with the MSN.

  • GiveMeLiberty

    Amen on Ron Paul, unfortnately and as always, we get the leftovers! With Dr. Paul effectively suppressed from the ballot, I will vote for the candidate who lies the lest, actually works for a living, and embraces free markets.

    • eddie47d

      Yes Romney is excellent window dressing for the Republican Party and a real charmer. I suppose the same could be said about Obama but to say Romney has worked for a living because he has tons of money in the bank is naive at best. I still say he gained his income through dubious means and the markets he endorsed were a little too free to screw others. On the issue of the debates: YAWN!

      • http://liberty Tony

        To eddie47d: Right on,bro!! Right on!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        check out those Matt Taibbi articlesa about Romney in the Rolling Stone mag

        He is a HUGE CROOK
        shameful that someone like Romney even got this far

      • momo

        I suppose Obama worked for a living? Yeah right, if defending slum lords is working!

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      and one who didn’t INHERIT his fortune, dodged the draft, doesn’t cheat on his income taxes….

      might as well vote for Ron Paul

      If none of us voted the electoral college would still pick the candidate the elites want so that’s how important your vote is

      • http://speedle speedle

        Still waiting Rhonda for you to tell us all the things that Obama and Romney agree upon (as you claimed earlier). Still waitng………………zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

        Placards, slogans, heresay, and misinformed logic doesn’t make much of an argument Rhonda.

  • steve

    maybe one of these days ya”ll are going to realize that no matter who wins it’s the same body with a different face. you need to get rid of the political system now.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      YOU SAID IT!!!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      What political parties do we trade the existing two party system for?
      How do you know what people will flow into the new systems?
      Will you have a grocery list of what values will make up the new political systems?
      How will you keep people honest?
      Can you be sure that the new political parties will not deteriorate to what we have now?
      Since the character of the American people is what it is, you have the political parties that we have,.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        if we all started voting for 3rd party it would be impossible for bankers and corporations to control elections and less likely that they could afford to buy the candidate before he’s elected.

        Turn off your TV too…that’s the main source of propaganda

      • Susan Atwood

        I don’t believe the system is broken. The American public is broken. They call the shots but need to assert themselves. I read something once that said ‘you get the government you deserve’.
        We The People are the ones who should do better.

  • http://n/a AmFer

    This is a ‘superstitious’ belief that has been around in Presidential debates forever. The downside is, the debaters begin to believe it. I would prefer they come out saying, ‘I’m going to kickass’. More people would tune in than tune out.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      they probably get together and decide what to exclude…if you don’t mention this I won’t mention that

  • dan

    it’s hard to have a debate when they agree on so many policies….

  • bct

    romney is a good debater,
    but obama is a master-bater
    take my word.

  • jimi ess

    the National Priority Project has been around in the USA since 1983. All of us will do well to at the very least check it out on Wikipedia. Mattea Kramer has a recent book from The Project. on Federal Spending.
    Importantly, I believe the “debates” will be about what neither candidate will discuss. among the non-discussion topics will be the effects of the optional, and available paces by which the government can reighn in spending. Some options will be beneficial, such as over the longer term — others could spell disaster — such as immediate and drastic cuts.

    Other topics that will be largely off the table will be any serious discussions about health care where sixty billion dollars annually is wasted, the “defense” budget and why we have things like eleven aircraft carrier groups and seeking a twelfth. The second highest number of aircraft carriers is possessed by China, who has ONE ; and it is not fully operational. no other country on the planet has any aircraft carriers. also much of the Pentagon budget goes to congressional boondoggles tthat play no party favorites. Our armed forces strength exceed the ten strongest in the world combined, many of these countries are our allies.

    So yes, we can expect the debates to be just another reality show to see who gets thrown off the island this November. But don’t expect to become enlightened in any way, unless you thought the two party system will make any difference in the future — or in the present for that matter. I haven’t seen two more clueless groups of people in my sixty-five years of life and study.

  • JDL

    Oops, it truncated the last word on the link:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_by_country

  • TML

    Without Ron Paul and/or Gary Johnson, I doubt there will be much of a debate worth watching.

  • libertarian58

    The biggest issue facing the country is the counterfeiting ring AKA the FED running (ruining) our economy, but I will bet that this will not even be MENTIONED by either candidate. Just watch.

    • Gary L

      You can bet that the FED will not be mentioned. NO POLITICIAN is really concerned with fixing any problems or saving our Constiutional Republic. They are only concerned with getting elected. Half of the voters in the country are only concerned about the GRAVY TRAIN anyway.Where ever the gravy is, the votes will follow.

  • mr_bad_example

    it’ll be fun to watch Obama tap dance for the length of the debate with lies and obfuscations…

    • Steve E

      And what’s funnier, is the fact that many people will fall for the lies Obama always tell.

    • nickkin

      obummer will never get to give a full answer within two minutes……so if he can dance like sammy davis, it will be entertaining.

  • Lisa

    Thank God that we have a third choice since Ron Paul didn’t make it…Gary Johnson 2012!!!

  • http://jruss45.wordpress.com jruss45

    The one thing I do not expect to hear is a discussion of genetically modified foods, yet GM foods in combination with certain vaccines are responsible for most of the bad health in the United States [excepting trauma] and most of the cost of health care. Both Obama and Romney seem to support Monsanto, yet both families eat organic food for their health. Most congressmen and senators also seem to support Monsanto. Note that almost 6% of the registered voter in California are looking for someone who will support them in the quest for healthy food to raise us up from 17th place health rating of industrial nations, to somewhere near the top. [Yes on Prop. 37] This is an important topic. Will either candidate be for non-GMO and organic food and get a 4+% increase in voter base?

  • Bonnie Parmenter

    Obama is certainly a good communicator. Although, Mitt Romney could slaughter Obama in this debate or Obama could slaughter Mitt. Mitt needs to concentrate on the faux economy and how Obama Care will eventually replace Medicare and Medicaid. Mitt needs to concentrate on his record of salvaging businesses and running a government is a lot like running a business. And for you who are planning on writing in Ron Paul or voting for Gary Johnson, you are just giving Obama a vote. I would love to be voting for Ron Paul but unfortunately that would be a very ignorant choice. I love Ron Paul and his ideas of smaller government, true and fair tax reform, shutting down the Federal Reserve and IRS, and his foreign policies. There is not much I don’t like about Ron Paul but please don’t make us suffer through 4 more years with Barack Obama by voting for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson.

  • Bonnie Parmenter

    If Mitt Romney is not sleeping with the Feds and does not support this QE3 he will win this election. Enough people are finding out about it and it scares them. Romney has a chance to critize this but I think he is also obligated to many connected to the Federal Reserve Banks. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could ask the questions, but most likely they will be screened so they don’t have to answer serious questions. I have written Mitt and asked if he supports the QE3 but I have not heard back.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    What happens when Americans finally wake up and realize that the two largest political parties are the SAME?

    Mitt Romney vs Barack Obama First Debate Preview(Must Watch)!

    http://runronpaul.com/debates/mitt-romney-vs-barack-obama-first-debate-preview/

  • Shawn Johnson

    As a Ron Paul supporter I had decided some time ago that I would write in RP come hell or high water. After stepping back and taking some time to think about it I have decided to vote for Gary Johnson.
    All of my life since I’ve been able to vote I have always voted for the candidate I thought sucked the least. No more. Ron Paul was the ONLY politician that seemed to have a plan to do anything to help the United States. He got screwed over. I toyed with the idea of Romney(for about 5 minutes), but can not in good conscience do it.
    Both the republicans and democrats showed what kind of game they were playing during each of their conventions(Anyone who watched either knows what I mean).
    The way I see it, if a person knows about the lies, about the atrocities commited by both primary parties, and votes for either one, you are saying “Hey, it’s ok.” I know people can’t honestly believe that they did this underhanded stuff “just once” and won’t do it once they are in charge of the country.
    And one last thing, people say a vote for GJ is a wasted vote, well take my word on this. If every person that I personally have talked to that has said “democrats and republicans suck, I wish there was another choice. I would vote for GJ but I don’t want to waste my vote.”
    IF all those people voted for GJ…it would make a BIG difference….

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  • nickkin

    One thing to compare about Romney vs. obozo and his minions…….4mill. + to charity versus zero little from the lefty’s……dirty harry has not commented on the Romney tax returns since they were shown because of shame…how much did dirty harry contribute?

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