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The Winter Of Our Discontent

February 1, 2012 by  

The Winter Of Our Discontent

Any notion of growing disappointment was left out of President Barack Obama’s State of the Union speech last week. It shouldn’t have been.

The seeds of discontent are being sowed across America. Obama is more prolific than Johnny Appleseed. Obama hit on the familiar: The wealthy are not paying enough; the middle class is getting shortchanged. Noteworthy was that Warren Buffett’s secretary Debbie Bosanek had a seat to hear the speech. It’s too bad for Obama that they couldn’t make room for Buffet’s many housekeepers and groundskeepers.

Obama did not and will not admit this fact even though America is struggling to sustain an economic recovery while energy costs are rising and the budget deficit is in uncharted territory. However, he did immediately hit upon the wealthy. Just as Congress had taken their seats, the President said: “We can either settle for a country where a shrinking number of people do really well, while a growing number of Americans barely get by.”

Toward the end of his address, Obama said: “Now, you can call this class warfare all you want.” That’s exactly what Obama is calling it.

Had Obama been honest, he would have admitted that the United States is an empire in decline and that his Presidency has only accelerated the Nation’s demise.

I wonder what author John Steinbeck would think of the current State of the Union. After all, his masterpiece was The Grapes of Wrath, published in 1939. It is a fictional account of personal hardships brought about by the Great Depression.

King Barack

The title of Steinbeck ‘s last book, The Winter Of Our Discontent, was derived from the first line of William Shakespeare’s play “Richard III”: “Now is the winter of our discontent.”

Richard III died more than a century before Shakespeare wrote a play about him. History made note of him because he dragged England into one of its bloodiest civil wars.

Richard III was also the basis for Shakespeare’s fictional king, a man who was cunning, conniving and charismatic. It was his charisma that made it so difficult for those that opposed his rule and who wanted to expose his evil.

Shakespeare’s Richard III presents himself as the rightful heir to the throne, pretending to be a modest and devout man, lacking of great ambition. What the audience already knows is that Richard is devoid of all these qualities. He even announces it: “I am determined to prove a villain and hate the idle pleasures of these days.”

So begins the story of destruction at the hands of a tyrant who has created a poisonous atmosphere within his court and even beyond its walls.

Some people might suggest that nowadays another real-life Richard III has taken up residence in the White House. I don’t know about you, but I feel like I have been strapped down and forced to watch this tragedy play out.

Already the dominoes of America’s demise are lined up. They all will tumble if Obama is re-elected.

A Global Tragedy

In Shakespeare’s play, Richard says: “The world is grown so bad.”

Last April, Obama said: “We’ve got some global enormous challenges out there.” The President could easily have said the same refrain as Richard.

Like Richard III, Obama has done much to make things worse as was pointed out earlier this month when the GOP Presidential front-runner appeared on NBC’s Today Show, hosted by Matt Lauer. According to Mitt Romney, Obama is creating an atmosphere that is dividing the country, especially with regard to the public protesting that happened late last year.

Romney said:

I think it’s about envy. I think it’s about class warfare. I think when you have a president encouraging the idea of dividing American based on 99 percent vs. one percent, and those people who have been most successful would be in the one percent, you’ve opened a whole new wave of approach in this country, which is entirely inconsistent with the notion of one nation under God.

The Washington Examiner agreed wholeheartedly with Romney. A Jan. 12 editorial read:

Liberals like Lauer may not like to hear that Obama is sowing envy and class warfare by attacking capitalism, but two new polls from the Pew Research Center show that is exactly what is going on. Two weeks ago, Pew released a poll showing that support for capitalism has fallen since Obama began promoting the issue of income inequality. Not only that, but most people in three demographics highly supportive of Obama (the young, liberals, and African-Americans) told Pew they now support socialism. Except for blacks, that was not true before Obama was elected.

Pew has released a different poll showing growing numbers of Americans believe there are deep conflicts between rich and poor. Overall, 66 percent of Americans now say there are “very strong” or “strong” conflicts between the rich and poor, a 19 point increase since 2009.

Representative Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) called Obama “a divider, not a uniter.” He added that Obama is trying to promote envy among lower-income Americans who are struggling to find work so he can expand the government.

“He’s using class warfare; he’s dividing America,” Gohmert said in an interview with the Daily Caller. “He’s trying to say, if you don’t have a job, then you need to look around and be jealous of people who have money, who have a job, and want what they have.”

Dividing a nation for political and personal gain was what Richard III did. Obama is no different. We can only hope that like Richard III, Obama loses his realm; that last week’s speech was his final State of the Union Address.

It may take a revolt on the part of Democrats to save the Nation. Keep in mind Richard’s downfall came during the Battle of Bosworth Field only after his loyalists deserted him.

As Shakespeare wrote, the battle raged and Richard was knocked from his horse crying: “A horse! A horse! My kingdom for a horse!”

He never got that horse. Only then did England rebuild and unite.

Yours in good times and bad,

–John Myers
Editor, Myers’ Energy & Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • Thinking about

    Wow,did not realize class warfare was going on. Guess the Arab spring did not know they had a problem with 80% of their earnings being spent on food and fuel. Just maybe the OWS is off course also and our disparity in the USA is not true also and has been going on for years. Class warfare has been happening for years, just go back and look at charts of earnings in the USA. Maybe you could argue all of this has occurred since 2009 but the charts will not back you up. Though I am not happy with our present state of affairs history tell me this did not happen in the last 3 years.

    • FreedomFighter

      Obama Unfit for Command and Forced Mass Fluoridation Hits New Jersey

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBm9ST_24hY&feature=related

      Thinking, why should any American want a dictator, that allows companys to poison us, pulls NDAA dictatorship to kill us, rendition us and is letting offshore banksters steal everything in the country

      Anyone supporting this criminal regime is either a fool or part of it.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • mikeles

        Good morning, Freedom Fighter,
        Wasn’t NDAA passed by both houses of Congress before President Obama signed it into law?

        • John

          Pssssst, don’t confuse him with facts.

          • vic

            Pssst, the Fraud-in-Chief could have vetoed it.

          • Flashy

            Vic….psst….and killed paychecks for the military. He gave a signing statement…remember/ he urged the bill not to have those clauses. he did all he could..and had he veto’d it, you would have jumped all over him for protecting you by the veto. Read his signing statement….then figure out if you can say anything …

          • FreedomFighter

            NDAA Is A Hoax: You Can’t Legalize Tyranny

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxSVt1R4Iws

            They are part of the plan to overthrow the republic, either willing, or fool tools.

            As a constitutional lawyer if Obama really is, has violated his oathof office and knows it.

            Impeach Obama

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

          • denniso

            Nation in decline? I think Meyers is confused by the flow of time. Right near the end of Bush’s second term in 2008 we had a historical financial collapse. The stock market dropped by about 50%,down to 6700 from the former high of 13000 wiping out trillions in pensions and investments. W/ Obama forcing through bills to save the car companies and financial sector as well as saving many state gov’ts from bankruptcy we began the road to recovery. We’ve had 2 yrs of job growth and gdp growth…we’re doing better by far compared to the real collapse we were headed for.

            We are in a fragile recovery,not a decline.

          • Mark in LA

            Flashy, nobody shoulde let off the hook. This is the same as those on the right claiming Reagan was forced to increase the debt due to Congress. A leader leads. Obama should have vetoed the bill and told them to bring him a clean will with the defence appropriations only back to him tomorrow. Americans are sick of these types of games.

            My guess is Obama wanted it but the game in Washington is to collude to shift the blame around so nobody is to blame for everything.

          • Buster the Anatolian

            ” Obama should have vetoed the bill and told them to bring him a clean will with the defence appropriations only…”

            Exactly. Congress had plenty of time to then pass the defence bill without NDAA and return it to obama.

          • Vicki

            Democrats in Congress must shoulder the blame because they had a majority in the Senate and could have stopped the bill no matter what the Republicans may have wanted.

            Republicans must shoulder the blame because they passed it in the House.

            in the actual vote 86 senators voted for this bill. More than enough to kill a filibuster attempt by the Republicans.
            http://freakoutnation.com/2011/12/16/the-86-senators-who-voted-to-pass-ndaa-need-to-occupy-the-unemployment-line/

            Hence you see that 87 of them are either fools or are deliberately undermining the Constitutional protections of US Citizens. Vote all 87 out including the 1 who was apparently too busy to vote.

          • Vicki

            And here is the list from the house vote.
            http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll932.xml

            That means there are at least 283 representatives that need a new line of work.

          • BigBadJohn

            Vicki said: re NDAA “Hence you see that 87 of them are either fools or are deliberately undermining the Constitutional protections of US Citizens. Vote all 87 out including the 1 who was apparently too busy to vote.”

            BOTH senators in NC voted for it. When I sent a letter of complaint, I only received a response from the democratic senator. I plan on voting anti-incumbent.
            My congressman was one of the few opposed to it, he seems to be on the right side of most things even though he is a liberal.

        • http://WND Redfray

          Didn’t both sides of the isle try to change the definition of “natural born citizen” before obama was elected? Both sides are causing class-warfare.

          • JAMP

            It may have been the liberals in the house and the liberals in the senate that wanted to change the definition of “natural born citizenship” not the conservatives; however,BO (body odor) should be impeached for more than nb citizenship reasons. Right now the senate is the hold up with liberals out numbering the conservatives and by the time november roles around to replace those do nothing liberals it will be election time…..just hope and pray that the liberals will wake up to NoBO’s scheme of american’s demise before it’s too late.
            It’s so hard to believe that after 3 years of BO and his liberal friends they are still blaming bush…although it wasn’t bush’s fault it was the DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS that caused the damage——again wake up examine the real cause you liberals….

      • Koko48

        Obama is ONLY the mouthpiece for the “controllers”…the as the fellow said above, this downfall did not start only 3 years ago. It started after the CIA’s killing of John Kennedy, of which part I am now convinced George H W Bush was a part of in the CIA. The CIA are the cause of 9/11, not the those who they “blamed”. The Bin Ladens have been good friends of the Bushes, and that terrorist group was a CIA production. We have to get Ron Paul into office and clean up the government. The Bushes, Cheney, Carl Rowe, all CIARumsfeld (who is poisoning the population with his pushing aspartame through congress, and affiliating with Monsanto and their genetically modified “roundup crops”) . Their mandate is to depopulate, and we are the target. It’s not right to splice RoundUp into seeds…thereby making people infertile, and making people sick. Somebody has got to take the CIA down. They’re out of control…and old poppy Bush is still at the helm, don’t think for a minute young stupid George Bush ran this country. Read “Family of Secrets” by Russ Baker. Your eyes will be opened,, then read “Rule by Secrecy”….just who is running the president. They are both eye opener books. Tell your friends as well, the news must get out.

        • Vigilant

          “Somebody has got to take the CIA down. They’re out of control…”

          No, I’d say your imagination is out of control.

          • Bud Hall

            “The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive the ‘TV watcher’ to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money.”

          • Vigilant

            Butt Hall’s flights of fantasy are as imaginative as Koko48′s.

          • JC

            Vigilant says:
            February 1, 2012 at 10:42 am
            “Somebody has got to take the CIA down. They’re out of control…”

            No, I’d say your imagination is out of control.
            ________________________________________________________________

            “I never would have agreed to the formulation of the
            Central Intelligence Agency back in forty-seven,
            if I had known it would become the American Gestapo.”
            ~ Harry S. Truman 1961

          • Vigilant

            JC, that quote is spurious and I challenge you to come up with the exact source.

            Truman did say, “I CONSIDERED IT VERY important to this country to have a sound, well-organized intelligence system, both in the present and in the future. Properly developed, such a service would require new concepts as well as better trained and more competent personnel . . . it was imperative that we refrain from rushing into something that would produce harmful and unnecessary rivalries among the various intelligence agencies. I told Smith (Director of the Bureau of the Budget) that one thing was certain–this country wanted no Gestapo under any guise or for any reason.”

            President Harry S. Truman, Memoirs Vol I

          • JC

            You may have a point…and I may stand corrected.
            But I still think the CIA is way off its leash and is acting way beyond its intended scope. Just like most of our alphabet police state agencies. Sorry, but I’m an American who believes in liberty, not “security”. Too many strings attached to “security” and it’s just an illusion anyway.

        • Jay

          The Jesuit-Cia-Vatican connection.

          The CIA is probably the world’s biggest public ‘black-ops’ agency, with links to just about every major conflict around the world and cover-up in the US. Just about every truther agrees that the CIA played a key role in 9/11, or at least had a hand in it. Who founded the CIA? The man widely credited as the ‘father’ of the CIA, according to Wikipedia, was William “Wild Bill” Donovan, the head of the OSS during WWII. He was Roman Catholic, and a Knight of Malta. THE KNIGHTS OF MALTA ARE A CATHOLIC SECRET SOCIETY. SOME REFER TO IT AS THE POPE’S MILITIA.

          Who was in control of the CIA on 9/11? The CIA was monitoring the alleged hijackers and two of them lived near CIA headquarters. It was George Tenet, who exhibited extremely suspicious behavior when he apparently knew after the first attack that it was an attack, that Bin Laden was involved, and that Moussaoui was involved. TENET WAS JESUIT-TRAINED AT GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY AND A KNIGHT OF MALTA.

          The other ‘spook’ agency is the NSA. Five of the alleged hijackers lived near NSA headquarters and the NSA monitored some of them. They received intercepts the night before the attacks that they claim they weren’t able to translate until Sept.12. The director of the NSA on 9/11 was Michael Hayden (Now director of the CIA). HE IS ROMAN CATHOLIC AND WAS TRAINED AT A ROMAN CATHOLIC SCHOOL AND UNIVERSITY.

          The Pentagon was run by Donald Rumsfeld on 9/11, who was then the Secretary of Defense. HE IS A DROPOUT OF THE JESUIT GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY.

          The President of the United States during 9/11, George W. Bush, ‘saw God in the Pope’s eyes’. The fact that he considers the Pope to be a higher entity shows what a Vatican stooge he is.

          Vice President on 9/11 and up until now, Dick Cheney, who took over NORAD six months prior and was running the distraction drills, is in close contact with the Vatican.

          Jeb Bush, the President’s brother, the governor of the state that controversially won him the 2000 election, was where he was on 9/11, where the alleged hijackers left most of their trail, and who put the national guard on alert 7 days before 9/11 and declared a state of emergency as soon as the North Tower collapse WAS A KNIGHT OF COLUMBUS.

          George H.W Bush, certainly a mover and shaker in world events, is alleged by numerous sources to be a Knight of Malta. There are photos of him side by side with the Pope. He was the man behind Iraq War I. He was also a big name in the CARLYLE GROUP and was in a meeting with Carlyle on 9/11. He met with Bin Laden’s brother, Shafig, on the morning of 9/11.
          (excessive length post removed)

        • DaveR

          Stupid Bush was part of the CIA and plot to get Muslim zealots to fly airplanes into the WTC? What are you smoking, swallowing or injecting?

          Seriously the writers who pointed out that Congress did not have to pass many bad bills and whomever was President did not have to sign any bad bill got it correct (whether viewed from the left or the right).

          Obama never takes responsibility, except when employing his tactic of saying “I guess I need to do a better job of explaining it to you [dummies], because if you understood what I was saying you would be all for it.” And then he proceeds to tell us again why we need to accept to submit to doing it his way, not the constitutional way, not the economically sound way, not the fiscally sound way, etc.

      • Dixie Suzan

        Love your Obama or your Obama may not love you.

      • 4everliberal

        Let see what our priorities are? The economy, The widening inequality
        in wealth and income, our deficits that the republicans created , the
        number of people in poverty @ 46 million which the republicans created.
        The unemployment rate due the the great recession that the republicans created, BUT no you focus on flouridation?

    • DaveH

      What charts, TA?
      Middle Class is Shrinking? Could it be because they’re being pushed up to the higher incomes?
      http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2004/09/squeezed_up.html

      • DaveH
        • gorette bettencourt

          Mr. Obama just talks and talks and does/nt do anything i work seven days a week to pay my bills and every year a have to pay taxes this is not fare!!

          • Flashy

            Perhaps you should plead your case to Mr. 13%, Mitt Romney,

            Every GOP candidate promises one thing. Lower taxes for the wealthy and Big Corporate America, higher taxes and les benefits for the Middle Class, Seniors, and poor.

        • DaveH

          Something for the anti-capitalists to think about (that is, if they can remove their blinders long enough to read this short article):
          http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/incredible-stuff.html

          • Sirian

            Very good article DaveH, very good. I agree, will they ever take their blinders off? Doubtful.

          • DaveR

            Not likely to happen. Everyone also ought to read The 5000 Year Leap. Everyone ought to ask themselves how USA which represents less than 5% of the world’s population created a standard of freedom, living for themselves and donated so much to the rest of the world. Yes, following our Constitution and capitalism out produced and out gave the rest of the world. And now due to lack of knowledge of history and especially the principles on which this nation was founded, many want to quash capitalism and self-reliance and instead trust in government to provide all their needs and desires, mostly by taking from others through the ballot box. This trend is not going to end pretty or peacefully if not reversed.

        • http://juno Dennis Smith

          The most devastating winter of discontent=the bastard oil gods that play DICTATORSHIP over every person in God Bless America.They have contracts internationally that our military bleed, are disabled and killed over. There no reason on earth for the minute or hourly price rises. I believe a $2.50CAP of gas, diesel, food, bunker oil at the pump/aircraft wing is satisfactory for PRODUCERS/USERS. There should be export/import fuel tax, $5million fine daily for market holdoffs, and the dictators pay local, state, fed pump tax. I also BELIEVE that our welfare compared paid military for the oil god benifit be compensated as PRIVATE CONTRACTORS with all the benifits, including hospitalization and death or 20 yr retirement. If not NATIONALIZE THE CRUEL BASTARDS. It is impossible for the poor or working classes to work, pay rent/mortgage, eat, have a warm bed, take a vacation, and have coins in the pocket, and pay the everchanging fuel prices. i do believe in drilling on/off shore legally and ethically,and with “ballbat” oversight and it be transparent completly.

          • Studi30

            Dennis if Ovomit wasn’t screwing big oil we wouldn’t have to pay mucho dinero for our gasoline. Part of the cost of gasoline is a transport fee. It costs money for a tanker to bring the oil from the Middle East to the US. It costs money for a tanker to bring oil from Canada down the West coast to the Gulf of Mexico or the East Coast where the refineries are. The Keystone pipeline would cut the cost and add jobs at the same time paying rent to the people whose land it crosses.

          • JUKEBOX

            The Chinese believe in drilling offshore in the Atlantic and in the Gulf, and the MSM never says a word, nor do the environmental whackos.

        • BigBadJohn
    • Nadzieja Batki

      If one thinks in terms of semantics, O “is” uniting people of his own kind of mind set who will follow him. The people who do not think like he does do not count or even exist.

      • Vicki

        Nadzieja Batki writes about obama:
        “The people who do not think like he does do not count or even exist.”

        And with the NDAA he has the power to make them not count or exist and he doesn’t even need to bother with due process. Tyrants love indefinite detention type laws.

        • Daniel

          too funny,… oh wait no it isn’t

    • Mike

      Absolutely correct!
      As far as the “empire in decline” goes, many of us recognized that a decade or more ago…. Pres Obama has not been able to turn it around, and neither would John McCain, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrinch… etc.
      The banksters are sitting on the bailout money (after giving themselves bonuses), and the corporations have unfettered monetary control of the government. I see negligible chance of USA recovering within 10 years, but to imagine it’s “Obama’s fault” is to be seriously delusional.

      • JUKEBOX

        I thought everybody said it was “RACIST” to blame Obama.

      • DaveR

        I wholly agree, and believe it is BHO’s plan and agenda to weaken and destroy USA. He has made great strides toward that goal to date, and a second presidential term will enable him to put many more nails in the coffin of USA. I recommend that people consider the likely long term effects of BHO’s every action and ask whether such step will build or weaken our country. And remember that Congress is frequently agreeing with him.

      • http://personalliberty.com faith brooks

        you need to be reminded who added (sneaked) the clause into the tarp bail out that gave the ceo’s their bonuses retroactive to before the financial crisis. it was chris dodd a democrat who even cnn knew did not do it on his own. when questioned as to who did, the reply was “you know who.” our so called commander in chief. the same one that has received more donation money from those same companys bailed out than any polititian in our history with the exception of chuck shummer. both are dispickable liars and as un-american as a liberal can get. every problem in america can be laid at the feet of liberals from the evil in our media to the lax decisions in our courts of child molesters. we have become a “anything goes” nation. honesty and decentsy have fallen by the wayside. obama and his co-horts follow the rule that you can fool enough of the people enough of the time to get elected. you that are old enough to remmember our past, try to preserve the memory. you will need it in the vile years ahead of us if these liberals are not stopped once and for all.

    • Ken Day

      You must have just returned to earth from you home planet. Sorry to hear that your home planet’s atmosphere makes its inhabitants blind and incapable of distinguishing the grief all around them. I feel confident that if we could just get the government to fund another stimulus, maybe this time around $4.0 Trillion, we could dig out of this economic depression. Let’s just fund it by cutting Federal employee salaries down to be comensurate with private industry and tax everyone making over $50,000 at a 100% rate. At that level, the government could even afford to give you a couple of pair of glasses so you could see what’s going on around you.

    • wandamurline

      Do some real research on the life of Adolph Hitler….look at what he did by dividing the masses….search deep….it is amazing how much the life of Hitler coincides with the life of Obama…missing dad, writings by Hitler….it is just as if Obama is Hitler in a different body suit. It is rather scarry. And, of course, everyone knows what happened when Hitler had absolute power over the people of Germany and Austria….this may be history repeating itself, as Hitler used the classwarfare, jealousy tenure in his speeches also.

    • http://?? Chief Horton

      The American people always have been and are now STRONG!! Why can’t
      we use some of this strength to get O.B.S out of the white house
      We are now aware of the LIES he told during his campagn for Pres
      -AND we now know he is inept in all aspects of government!! SO WHY
      KEEP A HOUND AROUND THAT (CAN’T or (WON’T EARN HIS KEEP – SEND HIM BACK WHERE HE CAME FROM, WE DON’T NEED HIM!!
      KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY, WE ARE GOING TO NEED IT!!!!

  • Doc Sarvis

    It is the fact of the wealth disparity in our country that is dividing us. Yes there is class warfare and it has been waged by the rich against what is now about 99% of our population. Most of that 99% work hard and long to make just enough to survive while the wealth generated by that labor is concentrated in the hands of a very small set of folks.

    President Obama is not promoting this feeling he is taking steps to address the valid concerns of the 99% of the people he governs. And he is seeking to strike a balance; not to make the rich poor but to have the rich contribute a bit more, at a rate they have in the past, to the country that has given them so many advantages in a time of great need.

    • FreedomFighter

      Doc your just a propaganda spewing commie and I will ignore your post here out.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Pat

        Good for you Freedom Fighter, I do not know what kind of water these fools drink but it sure is not the same kind most of drink. Good grief, what will it take to wake people up to what this EVIL in the white house is doing to us

        • JUKEBOX

          That flouride in the water is affecting their minds, and that is why I have been taking chelation treatments, so I can think clearly.

        • Tom W.

          Pat there is only One who can open their eyes, so don’t be so hard on yourself! Just keep trying to point them to the truth, and maybe, just maybe, they’ll fall under the conviction of the Holy Ghost!

          2 Corinthians 4:3-4 (KJV)
          “But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”

          All we can do is pray for them that they fall under the conviction of the HG and repent and ask God to forgive them. But they first have to believe in God before they can go to Him!!!

          Hebrew 11:6 (KJV)
          “But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”

      • Doc Sarvis

        Obviously you can’t argue against my valid points.

        • Capitalist at Birth

          You never make valid points to ignore.

        • DaveH

          I can.
          Doc says “Yes there is class warfare and it has been waged by the rich against what is now about 99% of our population. Most of that 99% work hard and long to make just enough to survive while the wealth generated by that labor is concentrated in the hands of a very small set of folks”.
          In 2005, 45% of households made over $50,000/year. That’s making “just enough to survive”, Doc?
          http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

          Doc says “It is the fact of the wealth disparity in our country that is dividing us”.
          No, Doc, “it is the fact” that Progressive Leaders are misleading the citizens, while the Leaders spend 44% of the citizens’ money and convince the Ignorant among us that their struggles come at the hands of the Rich, when in fact they come at the hands of Big Government meddling in our economy and other countries’ economies.

          • Flashy

            $50,000

            $4,250/month
            State, fed, local tazxes are 30%. $2900 left
            Health insurance, car payment, car insurance…say $600 ? $2300 left
            Rent/mortgage ..estimated what….$1100 and home owners ins of say 4100/mth? $1100 left
            Utilities such as phone, gas, elec. cable….$400 altogether? $700
            Gas for commuting to work…$50/wk $500 left

            food is 4100/week

            leaves someone with $100 for the month. Not counting clothes etc.

            Yeah dave…ample amount to live on. Jeesh

          • kkflash

            Flashy, it seems to me your budget problem could be solved quite easily if the biggest item in your hypothetical budget were reduced significanty – that being taxes. If the various governments would just spend less, your $50,000 would go much farther toward a comfortable lifestyle, unless, of course, you’re getting your $50,000/yr from the government to begin with.

          • Dennis48e

            “food is 4100/week”

            flushy I lived quite happily on 1/4 of your food budget for many years. I might add that 1/4 was my total weekly income not just my food budget.

          • Flashy

            First..that should have been $100/week for food. Let’s cut that to $100/month for food (I don’t know how one could..but let’s pretend). OK…so we have $400 / month to spend on clothes, and anything else such as laundry soap, light bulbs, tune up the car, etc. Any way you cut it..not much.

            As for paying less taxes… sure. Pay less. How? Unless you are going to cut programs designed to help the Middle Class etc, it cannot be done. The math is the math.

            now..do the same math for someone making $250,000 a year. I believe there isn’t much of a case to be made they cannot afford to start pikcing up their fair share of the burden.

          • Karolyn

            I think Flashy meant $100 per week. That would probably feed a family of 3. Living alone, I spend about $25-30 per week on food because I don’t eat a lot and eat very simply.

          • libertytrain

            Karolyn, I do believe I am similar to you in some of your habits/spending. I agree. A little thriftiness goes a massive way. I don’t think I spend $50.00 on clothes a year.

          • Karolyn

            liberty – my favorite place to shop – THRIFT SHOPS! :-)

          • libertytrain

            Karolyn – when I buy clothes I tend to buy new at end end end of season. And for the things I create, I buy the thing I begin with at Thrift Shops and turn them into treasures (that old eccentric artist thing going on). We have our similarities even though we do not agree on all the political and religion.

          • DaveH

            First of all, Flashman, that $50,000 figure was the low point of the category. The salaries grew from there. I’m sure you know that. But being the board Troll, you have to blow smoke up our butts.
            Secondly, if somebody can’t live nicely on $50,000/year they are living in the wrong place, or spending extravagantly.
            Thirdly, apparently you are saying you make much more than that. No doubt, being a Government employee, you probably are making twice what you’re worth.
            But thanks for showing the average guy who makes $39,000/year that you are making light of his salary.

        • Dagney

          In case you didn’t know it because your parents obviously didn’t teach you, what someone else has is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. And, unless they got their “riches” by doing something illegal (like every stinking politico in our times stealing from PUBLIC funds), it is NOONES business how they got it, how they keep it, AND how they spend it. ENVY is a sin. If you don’t have enough, do some work yourself, for once, to EARN more. Sheesh.

          • Dagney

            The differences between Liberal-Marxists and Conservatives is the same as children and grown-ups. And, just like real children, who can be excused because they are children, liberals refuse to listen to reason. However, as physical grown-ups with supposedly some real-life experience, THERE IS NO EXCUSE. Instead, they justify every evil because they are unhappy with themselves and hold resentments for things that happen to everybody. Mature people would learn from it and move on. A liberal, like a child, will blame someone else. Hence you have every liberal talking point that is born of immaturity and a desire to justify every evil, hateful desire in their hearts.

          • Karolyn

            Dagney – It is not about envy. It is about people being good stewards of the money they make off the backs of the “little people” and not being greedy. The middle class is much more generous in its giving than the rich.

          • Vigilant

            Karolyn says, “The middle class is much more generous in its giving than the rich.”

            Where the Hell do you get your fighures from? The per person average for charitable donations grows as you go up the income scale. See pp. 5-7 of http://www.philanthropy.iupui.edu/research/giving%20focused%20on%20meeting%20needs%20of%20the%20poor%20july%202007.pdf if you don’t believe me.

            Combine that with the fact that the rich pay most of the income taxes in this country and you’ll see that the rich pay more than their “fair” share.

          • Tom W.

            She makes up her own numbers Vig! She’s kinda like Debbie Wasserman Shultz and Nancy Pelosy, whenever she needs a number, she just reaches up and plucks one right outta the blue!

          • Vicki

            Karolyn says:
            “It is not about envy. It is about people being good stewards of the money they make off the backs of the “little people” and not being greedy.”

            It IS about envy. People that have lots of money ARE good stewards of the money. They don’t go whining to government for money.

            Some of them even do the proper biblical thing. Unlike government who will feed a man a fish and then take more from the tax payer to feed that man the next day and ….

            Instead these people with lots of money HIRE people to fish thus teaching them to fish and feeding them for a lifetime (without government help and in spite of government interference).

            And it STILL is none of your nor governments business how people spend, or not, their own wealth.

          • libertytrain

            Vicki, I absolutely agree with you.

          • Karolyn

            Vigilant – I came up with what I said because of fundraising seminars I attended years ago. when I was in nonprofit arts Maybe it’s changed, but at the time, that’s what we were told.

            Tom – Rarely will you find me making up anything. Before posting, if I don’t have knowledge via my own experience, I will Google about what I want to post.

          • Karolyn

            That should have read NEVER will you find me making up something in a post. I started out writing something else and didn’t change it all.

          • Tom W.

            (offensive attack removed)

          • Karolyn

            Tom – You apparently don’t really read posts before responding. I said I got my info from nonprofit seminars I had attended, not the web.

        • Vigilant

          Make one and then we’ll argue.

        • Wyatt

          Doc Sarvis I would ask what vaild points,that OWS is just abunch of malcontents who spent their daddy’s money for their high price educations and then couldn’t get a job ? Well couldn’t get a job at what they thought they should earn . And all because some leftist liberal professor told them that they would be well paid in the field and that jobs were plenty . But then omitted to tell them that they would need to start at entry level and work their way up .
          Of course I would expect a leftist liberal to ignore this little fact . In America you can be what ever kind of success you chose to be. There are no carved in stone absolutes in America as to success . There is one absolute that America does grant, you have the absolute right to fail . No one will fault you if you do . At least you tried.
          I noticed much said about wall street and the rich . I see nothing said by Obama or you about the rich in congress such as Nancy Pelosi who got rich off of her Congressional Influence to get bills passed as she invested in stocks based on the information received in advance knowing such investments were safe and profitable .
          That is the one percent he should be fighting against and you as well. But no , he chooses to war against those that honestly invest in business and that are the life blood of America. And why ? So he can play to the welfare class and tell the that Wall Street is the root of their troubles , why they are poor and they should share in the wealth . So he gets a gang of malcontents , OWS ( Obama’s Witless Sheep) to protest . This is much like Lenin did in Russia , 1917 . Communism rose from this and Obama is trying to have it rise here . Remember , he is a Communist him self , a card carrying member himself from his Harvard days . Educated by all the leftist and Communist professors he could find there. Doubt it ? A. Read his book B. Read any book about the Russian Revolution C. Read Lenin’s works on Communism. But then , perhaps you wish to live in a communist nation. Only the top one percent (1%) have anything . The 99% have less then then now and are at the mercy of the 1% ruling class.
          Sorry Doc, “catch the news , you lose” Communism doesn’t work , in fact it failed dramatically . After all , it was in all the papers .

          • Sirian

            Ah, now come on Wyatt, you’re using to much common sense to post, now quit!! You’ll scare the holy whale snot out of him. :)

          • Flashy

            Wyatt…you never listened to Pres. obama call specifically upon Congress for his single item bills…among those he asked for was a prohibition against insider trading by members of Congress.

      • Fed up

        Hell yeah, I totally agree FreedomFighter.

    • Jennie

      So he is addressing the concern of 99% of the people he governs? He seems to me to chosen a group of people he can manipulate easily by telling them how they have been ignored or overlooked . . . that he will make things better for them. How about they get up and find a job instead of accepting the welfare they get from those of us who actually work.

      • Doc Sarvis

        MOST of those who don’t have a job are up looking for jobs. Those 1%’ers who are supposed to be the “job creators” are shipping American jobs overseas – AND getting a tax break in doing so.

        • Dave

          As a “temp” I see that 1) you’re employed often without working 2) any employer you’re working for can dismiss you without good or any reason, you are told the hours before you go to work, “you aren’t needed” and 3) you cost the company you work for nothing but a fee to the temp service out of which they pay you, no vacation, benefits, retirement, etc – truly a “win-win” situation for any company. We as a country have gone from “company loyalty” to no loyalty and now to faux companies handling serfs who work for someone else entirely separate and “working” without being paid! Pretty neat, eh?

          • mikeles

            Hey Dave, maybe we have moved into a new era–maybe the PER DIEM era?

          • kkflash

            Dave, what does “employed often without working” mean? It sounds like showing up at your employer, getting your pay, but not doing anything productive. You know, like welfare, or a government job.

        • eddie47d

          I think he is trying to say that some people have to work two jobs to equal what they use to make in one job. Which makes it much harder to balance the budget or have benefits. The American worker has to work harder to achieve less while those in the 1% or so have incomes and benefits that go up. The class warfare is indeed being brought to us from those who have verses those who are losing what they had.

        • Vigilant

          “Doc” Sarvis says, “MOST of those who don’t have a job are up looking for jobs. Those 1%’ers who are supposed to be the “job creators” are shipping American jobs overseas – AND getting a tax break in doing so.”

          You mean like “Jobs Czar” Jeffry Immelt?

          Wake up, fool. What do you call the highest corporate income tax in the world, onerous burgeoning regulation, roadblocks for small business creation and waste of taxpayer dollars to support dead end “green” projects? You can’t lay that at the door of conservative Capitalist policies.

          Business sits on triliions of dollars of cash because the socialist policies of Obama & Co. have created uncertainty heretofore unheard of. Loosen the vise of strangulation by returning to free market principles and you will see that money released for job creation, my communist friend.

          • Flashy

            highst corporate tax rates in the world? What world do you live on? After the writeoffs and subsidies…US corporations pay among the lowest in taxes in this world.

          • Vigilant

            What world do I live in? The world of reality, not the religion of liberalism.

          • Vicki

            Flashy says:
            “highst corporate tax rates in the world? What world do you live on? After the writeoffs and subsidies…US corporations pay among the lowest in taxes in this world.”

            The problem with Flashy seems to be that he lives in a different world from ours. In our world US Corporations pay one of the highest tax rates.
            6th place in this article.
            http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-14/u-s-companies-pay-world-s-sixth-highest-tax-rate-study-finds.html

            Someday Flashy will share with us some proof of his bald assertions and we will be amazed. Not.

          • Flashy

            Real tax rate Vicki…not the beginning rate before the deductions, depletions, the writeoffs etc. GE paid zip. I cannot recall the amount Exxon paid last year, but it wasn’t much.

            Just as the fallacy that the wealthy are the ‘job creators”, anyone stating US corporations are among the highest taxed in the world is telling another lie.

          • Vigilant

            Flashy, I’ll admit there’s partial truth to your claim, but the tax paid by US corporations is slightly above the average compared to other countries, not “among the lowest in taxes in this world” as you claimed. See http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/business/economy/03rates.html

            If you’ll accept that article, I’ll accept that the corporate rate does not translate into the highest taxes paid.

            Notwithstanding that, everything else I claimed is true.

          • vicki

            Flashy writes:
            “Real tax rate Vicki…”

            Umm… do you know what “effective” means? Read the cite I provided. I do notice you failed to provide a cite (again). I also noticed and didn’t comment but will now, that all of your examples share one thing in common. Crony in crony capitalism. Which of course can only exist if the government provides the government partner. Which it did in all of your cases.

            Now had you argued that a few companies get special treatment from the government we could have been in agreement. But you didn’t so my point stands. We have one of the HIGHEST EFFECTIVE Tax rates in the world. Waiting for you to disprove that statement.

      • Jim

        Yep, that’s exactly what Obama is doing…Even as he disparages against the 1% & incites the 99% towards rioting (ie: PROMOTING division in the country), he always fails to mention that he, himself is in the 1%.

        Class warfare did not begin with Obama, but he accelerates it…And does so with nothing but his own political gain in mind.

        • Doc Sarvis

          In the state of the uniion address he did refer to himself as being among the rich.

          • Capitalist at Birth

            And, how exactly, did Obama become rich? Isn’t it rather curious, considering he has never really done anything to deserve it?

          • Flashy

            law professor and author. Guess those don’t count eh CB?

          • Dennis48e

            flushy being a law professor in and of itself will not make you rich. Being an author maybe but to get rich off that you have to publish more than one book and they all have to sell very well.

          • eddie47d

            He sold two books and they did do very well!

          • Vigilant

            “In the state of the uniion [sic] address he did refer to himself as being among the rich.”

            Probably the only true thing he said in the campaign speech he passed off as “State of the Union.”

      • Wildcat@D-Town, PA

        You are on target with your thinking as reflected by your comment. Obama has been implementing a set of policies most commonly known as “Trickle Up Poverty”. Rather than create a calm climate of private sector business incentives to create genuine jobs he is promoting more welfare which continues to grow as fewer people actually work and pay taxes.

    • Bogusbob

      When you ask these useful idiots like Doc what is the fair share, they can’t give you an answer. What about the fair share of the 40+% who pay no taxes??

      • Flashy

        Seeing as the 40% who aren’t filing or paying federal income taxes, they do pay taxes. Sales, gas, etc. So…if they don’t make enough to meet the minimum level to pay income taxes, you want to take from them what little they have? Assuming you are not referring to the ultra rich who can take deductions, writeoffs, depreciations etc and pay no taxes

        • Capitalist at Birth

          I want to take it all.

        • DaveH

          The question is, since almost half of the citizens pay almost no Federal Taxes, why do they get to vote on how the Federal Taxes should be spent?
          Bottom line, though, is that those people are poor not because of the 1 percenters. They are poor because 1) they don’t make the effort, or 2) the Government is spending our money faster than the poor can earn it.
          It is a documented fact that the larger a Country’s Government gets, the smaller that Country’s Economy gets:
          http://heritage.org/index/ranking

        • Dave

          And because you’re income dwindles, you drive less, eat out less, hoard what little you have more, and as the little old Eskimo lady on the dwindling ice flow, pass out of this existence often with a “good riddance” from those who soon will pass the way you did.
          Come to think of it, who needs “death panels”?

        • Vigilant

          Flashy’s BS is something to behold when he says, “Assuming you are not referring to the ultra rich who can take deductions, writeoffs, depreciations etc and pay no taxes.”

          No, son, they pay MOST of the taxes in this country. What part of that statement do you not understand? What part of that statement do you factually challenge?

          • Flashy

            I challenge your factual ability to comprehend the Middle class is being screwed and the wealthy are making out like bandits The wealthy are enjoying the largest welfare system they could have set up for them and the Middle Class is paying for that privilege.

          • Vigilant

            As expected, you couldn’t factually challenge anything I said.

            I repeat, the rich they pay MOST of the taxes in this country. What part of that statement do you not understand? What part of that statement do you factually challenge?

          • Flashy

            As a percentage of income or overall amount. Seems folks who make 80% of the wealth, should pay 80% of the overall tax revenue. You disagree?

          • DaveH

            Spin this, Flashman:
            http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html
            Actual tax payments reported by the IRS.
            What’s your stake, Flashman? You’ve been here long enough to know better, yet you still try to spew your Propaganda. Obviously you are feeding at the Taxpayer-filled trough somehow.
            For you poor people out there who are truly confused — the reality is that the Leaders will happily keep you poor so they can benefit.
            If they cared about you they’d butt out of the Marketplace so that any of you (if desired) could easily become however successful your skills and ambition allowed you to become. Read the linked article in my next comment to better understand how Government keeps their Cronies protected.

          • DaveH
          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Vigilant, DaveH, BogusBob, Capitalist at Birth, Dave and you too, Flashy,

            Stay tuned for my Monday column in which I deal truthfully and factually about the tax issue.

            But I doubt Flashy will be able to grasp it.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • DaveH

            Thanks Bob, for all your good work.

      • kkflash

        As of last year it’s over 50% that pay no taxes.

        • eddie47d

          Thanks, Bush who created that lousy economy which brought about that 50%. Now there was the deceiver in chief.

        • John

          And since corporation are people, you do understand that a large percentage of people are not paying taxes because they are poor or lazy but they don’t pay taxes because they make millions, take the write offs and government subsidies or plain cheat. I know several staunch conservatives who brag that they have not paid any taxes for years because they make their money in cash transaction only. The flea markets, gun shows and other similar places are full of “”professional” tax cheats (people who do this for a living) who will be the first to tell you that they are real Americans and patriots. Many small contractors make sure they just get enough 1099s to submit the minimum required to break even with taxes after the write offs and tax breaks and they do the rest of their business in cash or on a barter base only…. It is not just “”lazy people and people on welfare that do not pay taxes but a large percentage are plain tax cheats.

    • http://n/a Scrappy

      Doc Sarvis: You are correct – this just didn’t happen in the last 3 years. Prior to that, America enjoyed prosperity (IF you worked and earned it), freedom to choose your healthcare, freedom of speech, freedom to ‘be who you are’. The changes were subtle, sometimes not fully seen for what they were BUT the last 3-years they were more than blatant and obvious. Results: Bad economy, loss of jobs, worthless stocks, bailouts everywhere…..Are we better off? THINK HARD!

      • rosina

        Right Scrappy.
        I came to a country which was as you say, free!!!!! Very important that. Free to practise my religion, free to speak my mind, free to work where and how I pleased.
        But, insidiously, things began to change. PC came in. The word ‘racist’ was used for anything-and not about race. Bit by bit, freedoms were taken from us. BUT, in the last three years, it HAS become blatant. The Bill of Rights being ripped to shreds as the 2nd amendment, 4th amendment and now, the 1st are being and have been attacked.
        We have reps. who should have resigned for scandals.Rangel? Frank, Kennedy, and government officials such as Geithner appointed even though they broke rules that would put most of us in jail!
        What about Holder who will only convict white persons?
        What about a tyrant who runs to the UN if a State tries to uphold Federal Immigration laws? (Arizona) What about using International law instead of the very good judicial system as set down by the Founding Fathers?
        Even the Founding fathers believed a perverse Government should be changed.
        This Imposter HAS caused a divide larger than ever.
        I have always worked AND SAVED MY HARD EARNED MONEY. Am I supposed to give it up for those who refuse or prefer welfare? I have my own charities and do give, but MY choice!
        We must get rid of the tyrant and get someone who supports and restores the Bill of Rights and rules by Constitutional laws not Executive Orders against it.
        We have

        • DaveH

          Very good, Rosina.

        • mikeles

          What about Vetter?

        • kkflash

          Thank you for putting it so well.

        • http://n/a Scrappy

          Rosina – you sound to me someone I can relate to. Maybe if there were millions of us here in America we could make a ‘difference’ by speaking loudly. Lately, I feel as though NO ONE hears nor cares what we have to say.

      • NC

        Scrappy, I just thought Hard and also did a little research to find out when the bad economy started to show up and it was a while before the ‘last three years’. When did the job losses start and when were they the worst and it was a while before the “last three years”. When did the bottom start to drop out of the stock values and it was a while before the “last three years”! Your problem is denial of the fact as to just how bad the economy was and how bad it was going to get before Obama could stop the fall much less reverse it!Like the Dow down to 6547 at the depth of the recession.It now almost TWICE that! Job losses are no longer 700,000 a month like they were awile before “the last three years”. Private sector jobs added? You must know that answer!! Denial is a disease!! Think hard and come to grips with the fact that bush policy from foreign affairs to trickle down economics was a failure in the eyes of 69+ million Americans in 2008.What did they see that you didn’t see or wouldn’t see?

        • Doc Sarvis

          NC
          Honest research is not valued here. Good post.

          • Flashy

            NC … Like Doc states…honest research and plain truth aren’t viewed as a positive on this site. Anti Americanism, hate, fear, ignorance, repeating lies, and avoidance of truth are highly valued by these folks who style themselves as ‘patriots’ (of what I am trying to figure out, ’cause it sure as heck ain’t America Patriotism).

          • libertytrain

            you are so full of beans. Honest research – – honest is a word you’re not well-versed in so how can you make that determination…

          • Vigilant

            Flashy’s cognitive dissonance kicks in again: “NC … Like Doc states…honest research and plain truth aren’t viewed as a positive on this site.”

            You mean like your statement that the rich pay no taxes? I challenge you, “Doc,” NC or anyone else to show credible research that the rich pay no taxes.

          • eddie47d

            Income did trickle upward under Bush but to the very wealthy and the same is going on under Obama. That should tell you something is rotten in this country if the economic meltdown didn’t teach you anything. Feeding the wealthy did not stimulate jobs then and it still is not working. The wealthy have scammed us and some of you still buy into it. Not much different than generational welfare recipients who have scammed us. They both have snockered the Middle Class.

        • DaveH

          Honest research, Doc? You kid, right?
          NC says “Like the Dow down to 6547 at the depth of the recession.It now almost TWICE that”.
          How convenient that NC neglects to tell us that the low of 6626 occurred 2 months into Obama’s Presidency, and that just 1.5 months prior to the 2008 election of Obama, the DJ average was at 11,143. The wealthy investors are no dummies. They knew Obama spelled disaster for the economy, so they got out.
          So really the Dow has gained (in nominal value) only about 15 percent in the 3 years since Obama was expected to be elected. And if we consider the fact that the dollar is worth much less now (20% less compared to the Canadian dollar, 35% less compared to the Australian dollar) than when Obama took office, the Real Dow Value (adjusted for the decline in the dollar’s value) is still much less than when the wealthy investors saw that Obama’s election was imminent.

          And NC says “Job losses are no longer 700,000 a month like they were awile before “the last three years””.
          The reality is that the Unemployment Rate is higher now than when Bush left office, and the National Debt has increased by almost $5 Trillion dollars in the three years that Obama has been in office.
          When Obama took office in January of 2009, there were 133.5 million people employed (non farm) in the US. Now there are 131.9 million people employed (non farm) in the US. So, we’ve lost 1.6 million employees since Obama stepped into the Presidency.

          • DaveH

            For those who don’t understand those big Trillion numbers (don’t blame you):
            The average family size is 3.1 people. The population size in the US is about 312 million people. So, when the Government puts us on the hook for $5 Trillion, that amounts to about $16,000/person which amounts to almost $50,000 per family in the US.

          • John

            Ohh really Dave?

            The last trading day in November 2008 was the 28th. The closing price of the Dow Jones Industials Average was 8,829.04
            One good thing about 2008 is the year has come to an end. It is unlikely the market’s performance in 2009 will generate the same outcome as 2008, but not a certainty.
            The -33.8% return in the Dow Jones Industrial Average for 2008 is the third worst on record.
            As noted by Chart of the Day:
            [the below chart] illustrates the 15 worst calendar year performances of the Dow since its inception in 1896…Only 1931 and 1907 endured greater declines. It is of interest that major banking crises occurred in 1931, 1907, 2008, and 1930 – the four worst calendar years on record in terms of stock market performance.
            See chart and full article at:
            http://seekingalpha.com/article/112937-2008-dow-jones-performance-third-worst-on-record

            The Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) hovers around 8,550 at the end of 2008, down nearly 4,700 points from its Dec 31, 2007 close at 13,264.82. Major Increase: Dow closes 2009 over 11,000

            So what did you said again about the closing of the DOW in 2008?

          • DaveH

            Read my comment again, John. I was very specific.
            Here is a 5 year chart of the DJI average for your convenience:
            http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EDJI+Interactive#symbol=%5EDJI;range=5y

            Don’t blame me for your lack of reading comprehension, John. Blame the Propaganda Schools.

          • DaveH

            John says “So what did you said again about the closing of the DOW in 2008?”.
            The answer to that question, John, is that I didn’t say anything about the closing of the Dow in 2008. Don’t put words in my mouth.

          • John

            And you said it was the investors that left the market because of Obama? So the Investors crashed their own sacred cow the DOW down 33%, devastated the US economy because they feared Obama would be elected?. The same investors that came back after Obama was elected and thus caused the DOW to rise?
            If this crash was really caused by investors, would this not show the opposite? That they left because of the possibility that McCain and Palin would succeed Bush? And came back because Obama won and thus the DOW rose back up to 11k in 2009? and why did it rise at all, after all you and your friends blame the democrat congress..you know the same people that had a majority in 2009 to have caused the 2008 crash. If it would have been the policies and the fault of the democratic congress, would the market not have gone down and stayed down until 2010 when the republicans won part of congress? Somehow your reasoning just does not make sense.

          • DaveH

            John,
            Obviously it doesn’t make sense to you. But the reality is that the wise people got out early, then the unwise followed up, as usual, and drove it much lower than warranted.
            The News pundits were discussing the Possible Market ramifications of an Obama election months before he was elected. So, the unwise were already set on edge. The good investors, who know what they’re doing, got the ball rolling (selling at the higher prices), and then the bad investors stepped in. You know, the kind that “Buy High and Sell Low” (no, I didn’t get that backward). So, the good investors stepped back in at the bottom and bid the stocks back up to where they should be based on their asset values and potential future earnings.
            I’ve been investing for decades, John, I know the game well.

          • DaveH

            If you are the same John who commented yesterday on the Global Warming issue, I was impressed with your knowledge of Evolution and such.
            So, please study at mises.org and use that great intellect to learn more about what’s really going on with Big Government.

        • http://NA SPARKY SAYS

          Yes it started 3yrs.before right after the democrats took charge

        • kkflash

          NC, Doc Sarvis, Flashy:
          You sound like the typical liberal broken record “Bush did it…Bush did it…Bush did it”. Did it occur to you that a Democratic Congress passed the laws that led to the mortgage crisis, the stock market crash of 2008, and pretty much all the ensuing economic problems? Bottom line is this: Our economic woes are caused by too much government taking too much money from too few people and trying to redistribute it to the less productive. You want more money? Quit your bitchin’, get off your ass and do something productive.

          • John

            If it was the fault of the democratic congress, why did the economy turn around (albeit not much) and the DOW gained 20+ % in 2009 under the SAME congress? Should it not have collapsed even more? After all, the same democratic daemons where still in control.

          • NC

            KKflash, what law did the Democrats pass that lead to the mortgage crisis and the stock market crash of 2008?’
            There were economists and investors predicting the collapse of the US housing market as early as 2005.What was the election of 2006 about? THE ECONOMY, STUPID!!
            Your bud DaveH said the crash of the stock market was because the big investors in the market saw that Obama was going to be elected and were afraid he would tank and got out of the market and it crashed!!
            ONE SMALL PROBLEM THERE BOYS!!! THE CHARTS WILL SHOW THAT THE DOW CAME OFF IT’S HIGH OF 14,200 IN OCTOBER OF 2007. OBAMA WAS NOT EVEN THE LEADING DEMOCRAT CANDIDATE AT THAT TIME SO HIS ELECTION WAS FAR FAR FROM CERTAIN! YOU PEOPLE NEED TO SPIN IT AT LEAST ONE MORE TIME TO TRY TO ESCAPE THE FACT THAT bush’s FAILED TRICKLE DOWN FISCAL POLICY IS THE REAL CAUSE OF OUR ECONOMIC CRISIS!

          • DaveH

            Do you think your shouting, NC, makes you less of an ignoramus?
            The Bust was a result of many factors, all of which go back to Big Government intervention in the Marketplace.
            There was excess money creation by the Federal Reserve.
            There was Government meddling with mortgage lenders, such as the Community Reinvestment Act.
            There was encouragement of shoddy lending practices due to Fannie and Freddie buying unsound loans from Mortgage Originators.
            And a host of other things all pointing back to Government Intervention.
            If you’d do some reading, NC, instead of shooting off your ignorant mouth here, you might know those things.
            You could read “The Housing Boom and Bust” by Thomas Sowell.
            You could read this, for starters:
            http://mises.org/daily/5805/How-to-Fix-the-Housing-Crisis
            And a whole lot more at mises.org, cato.org, and reason.org — all good sources for the knowledge of what’s really going on with our economy.

          • kkflash

            OK, NC. I’m sorry to have to confuse you with real facts but you asked for it. The primary cause (no one with half a brain disputes this) of the financial crisis and market meltdown in 2008 was the fact that mortgage defaults increased markedly beyond their historical norms, directly causing defaults in the many layers of collateralized mortgage obligations that had been sold based on the historically low mortgage default rate. The law that ultimately caused the housing bubble, and the rapid rise of the mortgage default rate is called the Community Reinvestment Act. First passed in 1977, it sought to prevent banks from discriminating in lending practices based on a number of factors that included geography. The law’s scope and its “teeth” were strengthened no less than 5 times between 1989 and 1995, all while the Democrats were in control of BOTH Houses of Congress. This little gem essentially mandated that banks lend in geographic areas, and to people they would not have lent to previously, and to prove they were doing so, or face penalties such as the denial of a charter to open a new branch. The Community Reinvestment Act is largely responsible for the housing bubble, and the increased default rate that resulted from lending to people who couldn’t, or wouldn’t repay the loans.

        • http://n/a Scrappy

          NC – I think you missed my point. I did say it was occuring PRIOR to the past 3 years – only subtlely and not fully detected. It became more obvious propelled by Obama – he ran on HOPE & CHANGE but he didn’t acheive those goals for “better” – it became ‘transparent and worse’. You can research this statement to find it to be totally true!

      • Liztalk

        “Freedom to choose your own healthcare…”??? What planet are you from? In the US you can only choose your healthcare options if you are very wealthy. That started years ago. Pres Obama is trying to fix that.

        • Dennis48e

          obama is trying to “fix” that by giving us only a government run health care so there goes any choice anyone but the wealthy might have.

        • kkflash

          Yeah, Obama is trying to fix it so everyone, regardless of income, has exactly zero choices about their healthcare. Let’s just add that to the long list of freedoms the government has curtailed in the last 50 years.

      • Dave

        Scrappy – to think that the automobile built what we have today for the most part (steel, rubber, etc) and all the ancillary businesses including those companies built housing to house employees, schools to educate them, and all the little businesses sprang up to cut their hair, clean their clothes, entertain them, sell them those clothes, marry and bury them, etc.
        All you need to do is look at Obama’s home country to see the difference!

      • Alan

        Government “Revenue” aside (Revenue is just Snake Oil Salesman talk for Taxation), this whole issue sounds like the debate in 1984 where the then POTUS promissed the then Congress “for every $1 in new taxes the then Congress promissed $3 in budget cuts.” The tax increases happened but the cuts never did! And Reagan took it on the cuff for raising taxes in a time when we were emerging from a double dip recession. The double dip recession actually was percipetated by the increases in spending from a Democrat Controlled Congress. It’s amazing how everyone goes after the trimmings on issues but never really investigates what happens below the surface. I guess that it what is called being superficial?

    • Flashy

      Doc..the theme of today’s article is Tear Down America. highlight the bad, don’t mention the good. tear it down. Trash it. refuse to place the blame where it lies. Lie often, lie enough, lie loudly. Make stuff up. Avoid responsibility. And above all, trash America. Depend upon the Tea Party trilogy of fear, hate and ignorance.

      Pres. Obama, the Progressives and the Moderates look to the future and a better America. The Right fear that…they fear the futrue, because it promises a reversal of what they have…a class structure immobile with the wealth and benefits concentrated at the top and the burdens placed on the shrinking and pressured middle class.

      That’s what they gave us beginning in 1980, that is the war they conducted since then, that is where we are at now. And they promise nothing but the same.

      As the light begins to dawn on America exposing this for what it is, the Right and the TPers and the American taliban fear this. They fear the unchaining of freedom and America as it can and should be.

      So they’ll Lie, often and loudly and in total disregard of the facts. they’ll refuse to take the responsibility for the situation we are in. they will obstruct, block, lie, cheat and do everything possible to halt any change.

      be prepared Doc..for today the so-called “patriots” will be out in force denigrating this nation, tearing it down, and calling for no solutions other than more of what brought us here to this situation.

      Listen to the current GOP candidates. they offer NO solutions. they can’t. They know the best solutions are those this administration proposes every single day and which the GOP blocks every single day.

      The party of No can’t give us a future …. they offer up the past. A proteected wealthy elite which receives more and more benefits and pays less. A burdened Middle Class which they propose to raise taxes on. A cut the the benefits for the Middle and lower incomes, and increasing subsidies for the wealthy and Big Corporations. A cutting up of small business except those which they can control and make beholden to an oligarchy of the elite.

      Yep…it’s Tear Down America time ! And these so-caled self styled “patriots” will do so with glee.

      • Warrior

        Hey flushy, ever heard of Illinois? Run by progressive democreeps for the last 60 years. Guess what? The rest of the country is now getting a full “taste of chicago”, YUK! What a success story your “gods” have created.

        • mikeles

          Good morning Warrior. Anyone with the slightest interest in politics knows that Chicago has long been viewed as the dirty fighters. I’ve never been there, so only know from what I read and hear. What I am addressing here is “democreeps”. All of us are guilty of using names, and general but ambiguous statements to make our points. I am just wondering if it isn’t possible to purposely avoid the use of pejoritive language and use facts from sources that are either generally trusted or are from official sources, like the BLS and the COB. At least we would all be on the same page and may find that we can actually find, if only among ourselves here, reasonable routes to a once again prosperous America.

          • kkflash

            You have a good idea when it comes to sticking with the facts, but I wouldn’t rely on the BLS or CBO to present the truth. Remember, they work for the same folks who brought you Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the Federal Reserve. Smaller, more restricted government is the only hope for America’s future, and Ron Paul is the only candidate who can bring it to you.

          • John

            Yeah, don’t trust anyone but FOX news, WND, Glenn Beck and the drug addict on AM radio. All others are self serving liars that try to influence and brainwash you.

        • Dave

          Not to mention the Muslim run gas stations, the mosques being built, and the confusion of other languages foisted upon us; signs that we no longer matter in this increasingly polyglot of a once great nation.
          Then these same cry and complain about all the junk piling up in their schools, communities, and elsewhere as people in general expect everyone else to do what they should do themselves.

      • Doc Sarvis

        You got it right Flashy. Good post.

        Your statement “…Tea Party trilogy of fear, hate and ignorance.” – very accurate.

        • Dave

          You also will one day face someone worthy of “fear” being one doing what He hates and ignorant of his hatred of all you think is “OK”.
          His Word says “The Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.” Those hating and ignorant of Him will have every right to be afraid!

          • Flashy

            Oh jeesh…here we go with someone starting the American Taliban speech again ….

          • Tom W.

            This song is for you Flushy! It’s all about FREEDOM you moron!!!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPYNL5ioo8E

          • eddie47d

            Love Jimmy Buffet so give it a look Flashy no offense in that video so kick back and enjoy!

          • Flashy

            Tom…first, you need to upgrade your taste in music.

            Second…here ya go. Learn something

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtAfIjRKUak

          • Tom W.

            Flushy, You didn’t just trash Jimmy Buffet did you?!! Those Marxist guys weren’t too God awful but here’s another Jimi back at ya!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMhq1L0cJf0

          • John

            A so called all loving god, that reigns with fear, commits genocide and entices hate, is not a god I would want to believe in.

          • Tom W.

            Hey John, the bible says in Proverbs 1:7 – “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.” So what does that say about you?!

          • Tom W.

            Hey Flushy, so Jimi didn’t suit your taste either?! No reply?!! Here see if this is more to your likin’!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QZDIv-UGPY

          • Karolyn

            It’s not God that wants people to fear; it’s the powers who came up with the final draft of the Bible so they could control people better.

          • Tom W.

            As I said earlier Karlolyn,(offensive word removed)

        • kkflash

          DS: You and Flashy are blind to the truth. It’s as simple as that.

          • Tom W.

            2 Corinthians 4:3-4
            King James Version (KJV)
            3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

            4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

            “Life’s tough……It’s even tougher if you’re stupid.” – John Wayne

        • Tom W.

          Doc, the Tea Party could only learn from you when it comes to ignorance dude, why I’d even go as far as to say that you’re the Albert Einstein of ignorance!!! The Big Kahuna!

      • DaveH

        Amazing. The Liar, Flashman, calls us liars.
        I can prove Flashman is a Liar (and a Plagiarizer):
        http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/your-choice-ron-paul-or-a-wheelbarrow/#comment-716115

        • DaveH
        • DaveH
        • DaveH

          Here’s one where Flashman was caught red-handed either sharing the same computer with his cohorts in crime, or maybe just assuming multiple personalities on the board:
          http://www.personalliberty.com/asset-and-wealth-protection/preserving-wealth/what-now/#comment-439910

        • DaveH

          I can understand that Flashman might think the rest of us are liars also. It’s human nature to project one’s traits on other people.
          But can Flashman prove his accusations, like I can his lying?

          • Sirian

            Outstanding DaveH! LOL, I simply sit back, shack my head and LMAO at the one and only Flash-o-man-o. :)

          • JeffH

            :) DaveH…and we DO know how the liars continue to lie about their lies and try to turn the tables with complete denial despite the evidence that proves otherwise… :) Sometimes reminds me of the 3 stooges.

        • Tom W.

          Well I guess we won’t be hearin’ from him anymore today! Good job DaveH!!!

          • Dennis48e

            I’m sure we will hear from again for flushy has no shame.

          • Tom W.

            Hey Dennis, I think our beloved POTUS has finally bitten off more than he can chew! I take it that he’s never heard of the Vatican assassins!!! You just don’t mess with the holf Pontiff! The Mother Superior is liable to pay the POTUS a visit, has he lost his mind?!!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbSZlqKxAE4

        • JeffH

          What is most amazing(not really) is that Flashy continues down the same path each and every day providing nothing more that talking points, rhetoric and all to often attempting to deflect and change the direction of a discussion with questions “of morality”. So Alinsky…

          Rule #3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy. Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

          #4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

          #5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.”

          Alinsky teaches: “‘The organizer’s first job is to create the issues or problems,’ and ‘organizations must be based on many issues.’ The organizer ‘must first rub raw the resentments of the people of the community; fan the latent hostilities of many of the people to the point of overt expression. He must search out controversy and issues, rather than avoid them, for unless there is controversy people are not concerned enough to act. . . . An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent.’”

    • Tom Cook

      “doc” you are emblematic of what is wrong with our country.

      • Doc Sarvis

        I know it is hard for many on this site to hear the truth. Think and you will see how the lead article is just trying to instill fear and hate in us.

        • libertytrain

          doc — whose truth? Your truth? Is that the “real” truth? You’re bringing up hate, you’re relaying a message that we are somehow supposed to hate. Is that the truth? Your truth?

          • Doc Sarvis

            Actually, it was the article that brought up hate.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Truth.

          • libertytrain

            Your “truth” is that quoting Shakespeare is bringing up hate. Wow….

        • DaveH

          Truth, Doc?
          Since when do you Liberals spout Truth?
          Mostly your comments consist of personal attacks in lieu of facts.

        • kkflash

          Actually, it is Obama who is trying to instill fear and hatred of the productive in those whose votes he can buy with his promises of more redistribution of other people’s money.

          • eddie47d

            Maybe kkflash if Wall Street hadn’t gouged us so badly with their manipulative little(big) scams we wouldn’t be in this predicament. They made sure their ill gotten gains remained on top no matter how unfair they played. Banksters rule!

    • Ted Crawford

      What if we try a little simple logic here?
      How does his continued advocacy for Amnisty for Illegal Immigrants “address the valid concerns of the 99%” in a positive way? The bulk of these immigrants are qualified for minimumwage jobs. Those that are qulified for the higher paying positions will still be far more inclined to work for much less than equally qualified Americans. Couple that with his stated purpose of doubling the Capital Gains Tax, causing even more companies to relocate off-shore, it seems that this would only INCREASE the gap you reffer to!

      • Doc Sarvis

        I have not heard any hard push from President Obama to grant a Reagan style aminsty for illegal immigrants. Under President Obama’s Administration more illegal immigrants have been deported than any other recent President. If American employers would not hire them we would not have much of a problem.

        Lowering the country’s corporate tax and providing tax breaks to companies who keep jobs in the U.S. and removing the tax break corporations get for shipping them overseas will DECREASE that gap I reffer to!

        • Flashy

          Doc…the answer to the undocumented worker issue is very simple. But blocked every step of the way by the GOP. If a person knew, or should have known, the employee was not documented…then the employer sits for 60 days in the hoosegow. And pays double on the taxes avoided by employing the undocumented.

          Guaranteed…the job offerings will dry up quicker than the bar at an Irish wake. No job, no reason to be here undocumented.

          Instead, these guys get all huffed up and indignant because some poor slob is looking for a job…

        • DaveH

          Surely you kid, Doc?
          Obama has sued Jan Brewer for trying to enforce the immigration laws that Obama isn’t enforcing:
          http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2010/07/justice-department-sues-arizona-for-immigration-law/

        • Mark in LA

          Obama “deporting” more than anyone is a big joke. They are calling people they catch at the border sneaking in and taking them back to the border deportations. Deportation hearings have virtually stopped. The only way you can say he has done more is because the previous Presidents did nothing as well.

          Obama supports the so-called DREAM act. Anybody who lives in a border state know that the vast majority of Mexicans aren’t intelligent enough to ever achieve academically in the fields a modern society needs and will always be a net drain on society. The Democrats want to give these people amnesty if they “attend” college, even a junior college where all you need is a GED to get in. In California right now we are giving free money to Hispanics to attend junior college. Most of them take the money and never accomplish anything except maybe an AA degree in Chicano studies. After that they can sponsor their whole extended family for immigration.

          • lkar

            Only the government can claim “highest deportation of any administration” and claim success. How about the actual numbers? 11 million estimated, deported like 0.1% and called this a success. What job in any country could you do 0.1% success and keep your job?

      • mikeles

        Good morning, Ted. I live in Arizona, less than 100 miles from the border. Illegal immigration has been a horrible burden on us for years, and the only reason we see any relief from the illegal crossers, is because the job market is so depressed. Something I wish more of us here would do is contact our representatives in D.C. and remind them that if there are 11,000,000 people in this country illegally, and if they have jobs, then most of them must have Social Security Cards. If they have SSNs then they MUST have driver’s licenses, and if they have driver’s liecenses, then they can VOTE! We do need to put the breaks on THAT!

        • Dave

          Could be because the Social Security card our POTUS has is from Connecticut, a state he’s never lived in!!

          • John

            And? Mine is from TN and I know very well I never resided there. It is not uncommon for people that did not get their SS number at birth (I got mine at age 17) to get SS numbers that where from a state they did not reside in. If you go to the SS administration website you will find out that this was actually pretty common before they streamlined the process.

    • mikeles

      I agree, Doc. While most of us have seen an increase of about 25% over the last 3 decades, the ones at the top have enjoyed a 275% increase. I doubt that most of us think that the very wealty should pay all the taxes, but such a HUGE disparity does beg the question, “Who can better afford to take the hit of paying more in taxes?” For example, if there is a FLAT TAX of 20%, a person making $50,000 will pay $10,000 leaving him/her $40,000 to live on, while a Person making $1,000,000 will pay $200,000, leaving him/her $800,000. Do the math, folks, and ask the question, “Who can better afford to take the hit?”

      • DaveH

        You gotta love these Liberals Class Envy. NOT.
        Mikeles says “While most of us have seen an increase of about 25% over the last 3 decades, the ones at the top have enjoyed a 275% increase”.
        I’m going to assume Mikeles’ figures are accurate for argument sake.
        So it doesn’t matter to Mikeles that his life is better. What matters is that somebody else is doing better than him. Envy, pure and simple.
        Here’s what the Politics of Envy gets for people:
        http://heritage.org/index/ranking
        Look at the countries on the bottom of the list to see what Envy does for a country’s citizens.
        And Mikeles says “Who can better afford to take the hit of paying more in taxes?” For example, if there is a FLAT TAX of 20%, a person making $50,000 will pay $10,000 leaving him/her $40,000 to live on, while a Person making $1,000,000 will pay $200,000, leaving him/her $800,000″.
        Leaving the immorality of stealing other peoples’ money, just because they have more, aside, think about the reality of where that stolen money is going.
        The Rich either spend the money on yachts, fancy homes, other fancy things, which gives people jobs around the country, or they invest their money in productive plants and other capital goods (used to increase productivity) so the economy has more goods with which to provide the rest of us with better lives. The poor people now have better things than Kings and Queens did a few hundred years ago. A few hundred years ago, for instance, a sit-down toilet was quite a luxury. Now we take it for granted.
        On the other hand the takers — Big Government — just spend that money. They either spend it on themselves or they pass it out to their politically connected buddies. They give just enough to the poor (table scraps) to buy their votes. If Government does invest the money, they typically do so in a very wasteful fashion — spending much more for the same amount of production than the private sector would have spent.
        The Leaders are similar to Magicians. They distract the ignorant citizens with Class Envy while they abscond with a lion’s share of the country’s wealth.

        • lkar

          Good point. I doubt these liberal retards could make it in nothern Africa. Most all Americans are the 1%. I guess they consider anyone (other than themselves) making money as not paying their fair share!

      • kkflash

        Why are you even asking the stupid question “Who can afford to take the hit?” You’re assuming that more taxation is the answer, and limiting the question to “who pays?”. How about considering the possibility that NO ONE needs to pay more and “take a hit”. How about considering that the liberal theory of “tax and spend” is just bad economics and bad politics. Let me dumb this down to pre-school level for you liberals: Government spending – Bad. Freedom – Good.

    • thinlineacademy

      The Point of capitalism is that every one has the equal opportunity to increase their wealth. If you get out and work hard and strategize your spending you can become the “1%”. There is no such thing as 1% or 99%, there is only drive and determination. I have been in LE for nearly 15yrs and it is statistically one of the lowest paying jobs per capita. But I run a side business that makes up for the lack of pay, this would not be allowed under socialism. I these people would look back at the communist countries the poor are third world and the rich are excessively rich there is no middle class. They want to complain now but it will only get worse.

      • Flashy

        Ahhh…toss out the socialism card whenever it comes to paying a fair share for the benefits received. i proffer what is currently the situation is more akin to communism than anything. The wealthy receive most of the wealth, they receive most of the benefits, and the masses pay for it.

        • Dave

          And both take a backseat to Islam, neither require you to take their way or the sword unlike the 7th Century religious, political, legal, cultural system of an ignorant, illiterate cave dweller who terrorized, plundered, and murdered his and his system’s way into the prominence it enjoys today. If you want to see “the nicer” side of this, just look and listen to the POTUS who is fluent in it’s “holy days” such as Ramadan, and Eid.
          For a real eye-opener, try reading the Qur’an and compare it with the Bible.

          • Karolyn

            Why are you trying to turn this conversation to one about Islam?

          • Flashy

            Karolyn…because it’s part of the TP Trilogy of Hate, fear and ignorance.

            Today is America bashing time…didn’t you get the memo?

          • JeffH

            Flashy says, “Karolyn…because it’s part of the TP Trilogy of Hate, fear and ignorance.”

            The trouble with people is not that they don’t know but that they know so much that ain’t so. ~Josh Billings

            Some folks are wise and some are otherwise. ~Tobias Smollett

        • kkflash

          Once again, your choice of words is wholly inaccurate. Your statement shoud read, “The wealthy EARN most of the wealth, they PROVIDE most of the benefits, and the masses RECEIVE it.”

          • eddie47d

            Enough of this “they earned it”. The 1% is making a killing and sending the rest of America over the Niagara Falls in a barrel.

        • kkflash

          What’s a fair share for the 50% of tax-filers who paid ZERO income taxes in 2010?

        • Vigilant

          Flashy says, “Ahhh…toss out the socialism card whenever it comes to paying a fair share for the benefits received.”

          “toss out the socialism card?” That’s a new one, and that dog won’t hunt.

          The difference between playing the race card and playing the socialism card is this: The socialism card is a statement of truth, that recognizes the immutable fact that Capitalism has been the most successful economic system in the history of the world, period.

          Contrast that with the race card, used gratuitously by the left whenever they’re painted into a corner with facts and figures, have no cogent argument to counter those facts and figures, so they play the card in hopes of diverting the conversation to something else, i.e., using the Saul Alinsky technique that doesn’t further a conversation, but purposely stifles it.

    • DavidL

      Yes, Doc, I share your view here. 91% of the American people liked and approved of President Obama’s vision outlined in the State of the Union. His approval rating is rising, now at 53%, while the Republicans on the stump and in Congress is tanking.

      • Dave

        His “vision” for America was a gobbledygook of verbs strung together such as hope and change, he won by being the first “Black” president and a lot of financial “under the radar” giving from Muslims around the globe.
        He himself said he would “rule”, that he possessed an Islamic faith, and that he would be over “57″ states, obvious to those who knew what he was talking about

      • Vigilant

        If “91% of the American people liked and approved” the propaganda, that shows you what sorry shape the American electorate is in. Dazzled by the American Idol snake oil salesman, they believe shadow is more important than substance.

        Fact check his statements, count his lies and look beyond the lip service to what he’s actually done and continues to do. Joe Goebbels is laughing in Hell.

      • DaveH

        91% approved, DavidL?
        That’s odd, because according to this Rasmussen Poll, taken 3 days ago, 64% say this country in on the wrong track:
        http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/right_direction_or_wrong_track

    • lostinparadise

      Just getting by to you means a $250,000 of 3000 sq.feet, 3 new vehicle in the driveway ranging from $25,00-$40,000,All the best furnishings for the house, half dozen credit cards, Snowmobiles, Motorcycles, and all the best in clothing for everyone, all from the local mall from stores like Eddie Bauer. Yes poor 99%. What kind of crap you smoking anyway.

      Those are the same group of people who need the thugs from the unions to get wages of $15-20 more than they are worth. I know lots of them very well, and they are all like you whining crying babies.

      Before its all over doc you, and your group of 99%, are all going to learn what belt tightening is all about. I will then need an Arc to keep myself from drowning in all the tears.

      It is a myth that 99% of Americans are barily getting by. It is certain minorities that fit that group.

      • eddie47d

        Why then do the commentators here always bring up that over 50% of Americans are on food stamps if they are doing so well. Somebody has a disconnect!

    • Michael

      My wife and I have worked hard our entire lives for what we have. I hold no grudges against those that have worked just as hard. Together we make a great income, but the point is we WORKED very hard to get what we have and where we are. Maybe if those Americans complaining about the disparity in income worked just as hard, then they would be making more like us. Just to dispell any of your preconceived notions (forgive me if I am wrong about you) I spent 24 years in the Marine Corps, have a college degree, and work all the time to achieve my goals. My wife has worked for the same company for 27 years is a Vice President in her company and has NO college degree. Her rise was through sheer determination and hard work.It is to bad that the newer generation wants to ride the socialism bandwagon, it gives them an excuse to be poor performers and lazy people.

      • Karolyn

        These days it’s harder to rise from the ranks unless you have a degree. One can’t even get a decent job without a degree. Even in blue-collar work, special training has the edge. When I closed my shop in 2004, after working for myself for six years, I was amazed at the problems I found trying to get a job. No longer did they look at my long years of experience. They looked instead at my age and the fact that I didn’t have a degree.

        • kkflash

          If that’s what you believe, then you should have gone out and gotten yourself a degree.

          • Karolyn

            I am currently in school pursuing an AA at 65. And it’s not what I “believe”; it’s what I have seen and heard from others.

        • Vigilant

          Karolyn, you might have sought a job BEORE you closed up shop. Notwithstanding your situation, whatever made you believe the Pollyanna story that age is not a factor in the job market?

          • Karolyn

            Vig – It was a decision that was made within a month once I realized I couldn’t carry the weight any longer without the consignors who used to pay most of the rent.

        • DaveH

          Karolyn,
          You can thank Big Government meddling in the Marketplace for that. If they butted out, the companies that hired the best workers would trump those who hired people based solely on their college educations.
          Government currently takes 44% of our GDP. No wonder the economy sucks. How could it not?
          You can take 44% of the producers’ money, hand it to the non-producers, and expect a good economy.

          • DaveH

            That should have read — “You CAN’T take 44% of the producers’ money”

    • Robert

      The sad thing is doc, you actually believe that steaming crock of horse crap you just spewed out. You’re just another usefull idiot.

    • DaveR

      Let’s also ask how much of that wealth disparity came about. My parents never made much, and neither worked in a union shop. But they learned to save and to defer purchasing [used] merchandise until they could afford to pay cash and never bought a new car. And my mother taught herself how to invest from which she paid for me to go to college and taught me the importance of similar personal money management habits. I now make much more from my investments (which make money from capitalism!) than my SS payments. In contrast, I can also remember the iron workers and those who worked in the Ohio Valley mills where I grew up, who made much more than my parents, who always bought the finest new cars, and who were often out of money and asking my dad (a mechanic) if he could help them out by repairing or tuning their car and waiting until next month for his payment! This is a long round about way of questioning the reason many of the so-called 99 percent cry they have nothing today. If they are protesting the collusive corruption between big bankers and Washington politicians, I concur that unholy alliance needs to be broken and their wealth and power not taken from the work of common persons.

  • Mirage

    I really don’t want to hear Myers-the-Canadian open his yap about what is wrong with our country/President … keep your Canadian oil-lobbying-paid-for-opinion north of the border where it belongs!

    As for Obama; yeah he’s a can-kicker like most in Washington, but he’s faced with cleaning up after 8 years of the Right/Republicans having their way in Washington and THEIR MESS, as in … America’s partial collapse happened on THE RIGHT’S WATCH.

    As an independent, I’m taking Obama for another term … and holding my nose the entire way … he’s a better “stink” than anything the right has to offer. What a surprise.
    Of course, if you’re on this site and live in “Whitesville U.S.A.” or south of Mason Dixson, you’re agin’ him. Another surprise.

    Wanna check-out real potential change in the “working” for middle America?
    Check out MSNBC independent Dylan Radigan’s “30 Millon Job Tour”/Get Money Out”.
    Nuff said.

    • enough

      Not so fast. While I agree that Bush was pretty bad, the democraps have been in control of congress since 2006.
      That was like jumping from the frying pan into the fire. Things really headed down hill after that.
      You must be a communist wannabe if you would put Obama back in the white house.
      As bad as the republicans are, they do not hate America, like Obama, Pelosi, Reid and Schumer do. They are doing everything they can to destroy America and usher in a one world government.
      Bush did not stop the democrat’s spending spree but he tried his best to prevent the housing meltdown but the democraps policies stopped him.

      • rosina

        Not only in charge since 2006, and even totally in control from 2009 and what have they done? Spend, spend, spend-whose money????
        And, furthermore, before Reagan (I believe) they had been in charge for 40years! Time enough to change but the earlier dems were different to these today who are mainly communists.
        Funny how they make rules for us BUT THEY ARE ALWAYS EXEMPTED, e.g that nefarious Obamacare or is it RUINCARE?

        • moonbeam

          “Funny how they make rules for us BUT THEY ARE ALWAYS EXEMPTED”

          Yes! Like Pelosi, Boehner and others cashed in BIG TIME on insider trading. Legal for them but illegal for us. Just ask Martha Stewart.

      • NC

        Enough, just what is your proof that bush “tried to stop the housing melt down’? When did Democrat “policies” stop him?

        • Vigilant

          NC, I swear to God you must live in a vacuum.

          Go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yga7TlsA-1A for what is described as a “Collection of devastating excerpts from the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac hearings before Congress in 2004. These excerpts from the hearings show the “willful blindness” and corruption that went into the Democrats continual support for these two criminal enterprises, and the efforts made by the Republicans to clean up what everyone knew was coming.”

          These are the words from the idiots themselves, like Maxine Waters, claiming that nothing is wrong.

          The question is, how have you managed to avoid these videoclips while virtually everyone I know has seen them? You rely on the MSM and you will remain ignorant.

      • John

        Do you really believe that Obama who possibly will be a lame duck for his last four years is worse then Mitt or Newt that have the SAME policies but will go into the WH with possibly the full support of congress? You want to destroy this country? Vote Mitt or Newt and you will get your wish. They will make Obama look like a child in comparison. Anyone who believes that Mitt and Newt will change the current course is absolutely and utterly delusional.

        • DaveH

          Yes, Newt or Romney would continue the destruction.
          No, they wouldn’t be as bad as Obama.
          Still, why would we want any of them?

      • mikeles

        Good morning, Enough. I am curious to hear SPICIFICALLY what President Obama, Senator Reid, and Congresswoman Pelosi have done to establish a NEW WORLD ORDER. It’s not just rhetoric I want to hear in your repsonse, Enough, it is FACTS I want to hear.

        Just for the record, The Democrats have NOT been in charge of Congress since 2006. For the last year the Republicans have been the majority in the House of Representatives.

        Does anyone remember the S&P report? Down grading our credit rating? It is eight pages long, and at the bottom of page four it states catagorically that the downgrade came “…because the Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues…” That is only a fact. It is not a rhetoricly ambiguous accusation. It is not name calling. The people who made the down grade named the people they believe caused the problem that led to the down grade. That, Enough, is what I mean by SPICIFICALLY.

        • kkflash

          I repeat for your benefit: Government spending – BAD. Freedom – GOOD.

        • kkflash

          Consider the source: S&P is just a bunch of lapdogs paying tribute to those that pay the fees that keep them in business. They really didn’t want to bite the hand that feeds them, but the US government’s fiscal situation is so bad, that even S&P had to admit they aren’t AAA. In the financial world, it was a non-event, with the bond market saying a big ho-hum, because everyone already knew US credit-worthiness was going downhill long before the anti=climactic downgrade. They blamed it on Republican obstructionism because they want the Democratic liberals in power, who they know will spend, spend, spend and borrow, borrow, borrow, thus generating much more money for S&P in fees for rating all those trillions of dollars worth of bonds.

          • John

            KKflash,
            Do you know who owns the S&P500? No? Well you can either do your own research or take my word for it…. The S&P is owned by one of Americas top conservative families, the McGraw Hills. Go research the political direction, the political actions and engagements of the McGraw Hills and you know where and why this downgrade has happened. I.M.H.O., this downgrade was to slap congress and Boehner because they only got 98% of what they wanted from Obama (Boehner’s words not mine)not the full 100%. If you believe McGraw Hill and the corporations they own did not made billions of this downgrade you are gullible indeed.

          • kkflash

            John, I’m neither gullible nor ignorant of S&P’s controlling interests, nor did say that they didn’t make money from the downgrade, which they likely did. I merely pointed corrected the inaccurate reasoning in the previous post as to why S&P pointed to Republican obstructionism in its explanation of the downgrade. Read what I said, not what you think.

          • kkflash

            … sorry about the typos in that last post. I must be getting tired.

      • Koko48

        It was George HW Bush who proposed the “One World Government”…he’s been saying it forever. You look to HIM for all these troubles..the CIA is in control….and they are not nice people. Do some reading. We are about to become the puppets. The president is controlled by the elite…Rothchild/Rockefeller/Prince Phillip/ Queen of Netherlands/Bush/ Clintonsand more just watch some film footage of the Bilderberg Group, and check out the Carlyle Group. The president is
        simply a mouthpiece for all these conniving people. AND DON’T TAKE ANY MANDATORY FLU SHOT….avoid all vaccinations.

      • Dave

        We must also remember that Obama’s way of considering the other side was to lock them out of any and everything; then as he went into campaign mode, he cried that they didn’t want to work with him – big laugh!

        • Flashy

          Well now there’s a statement that has no truth to it…

          • Robert

            Flushy, take your ignorant crap elswhere. So tired of witnessing your total stupidity.

          • kkflash

            Flashy, I disagree with Robert. Stick around and post lots of comments. It gives those of us with a clue a chance to enlighten all those who may be undecided about whether liberalism can ever lead to prosperity.

          • Tom W.

            It is total, isn’t it Bob?!

        • eddie47d

          Actually they were invited in but refused to engage. I think it’s called a Boycott of Obama’s policies. Sorry you didn’t get the memo.

    • Jean

      Get your head out of the sand! Obama is the epitome of___________rich! Look at all of the group that Mrs. BO has for her help…many more than any other first lady…and it is costing us millions. Then look at her trips…costing us millions. Then they have to take a special plane for the dog as riding with a dog is against their religion….costing us millions. Then he wants all of the illegals to be able to vote for him, he wants to get everyone on hand outs so they will vote for him. We are screwed whether he gets elected or doesn’t. If he doesn’t, watch all of the things he rams thru as a lame duck. All I can say is God help the USA

      • Flashy

        Ummm..I looked for some truth in your claims jean…alas, there is none.

      • John

        You should learn to make a distinction between urban myth, lies by the drug addict on AM radio and the truth. There is not one shred of evidence for what you are saying…not one shred but hey repeating urban myths and tales is what many people do best.

      • Dave

        And woe betide if they don’t want to go anywhere at the same time; that another issue!!

    • Ted Crawford

      Perhaps it would benifit you to check out some sources besides MSNBC. Try CNNor BBC for example.
      If we take the Bush deficits from 2000 to 2006 and place them on a graph we see that they fluctuated widely, but they averaged 2.7% just above the Annual average of 2.6%. Beginning mid-year 2007 they began a dramitic rise untill mid 2008 to over 6%. What happened in 2007? The Progressives took control of BOTH Houses of Congress!

      • mikeles

        Hey Ted, it is true that the Democrats gained control of the House of Representatives in 2007, but what REALLY happened in that year is the COLLAPSE OF OUR ECONOMY, which was a direct result of President Bush’s administration, when the Republicans were in FULL control of all three houses of government–The Senate, The House of Representatives, and the White House.

        Do you really believe that the crash came in 2007 because the Democrats had gained control of ONE of those branches? Come now, we all no better than that–don’t we?

        • Dave

          If you want to know about our POTUS look no further than he appointee to the SCOTUS, one Ms. Kagen, his attorney.

          • DaveR

            Each is essentially the alter ego of the other when it comes to legal philosophy, and that should have had everyone concerned when she was nominated, but Congress let her slide right by into the Sup Ct.

    • Jeanie Davidson

      I am Whitesville and below the Mason Dixon….and proud of it.
      I don’t like Obammer and I think he has done a terrible injustice
      to this country….a horrific president…supposedly he is half
      white….I didn’t like the performance of that side either…you
      indicate that we are so stupid, that we can only find fault with
      the color of his skin….I wish that were true….he is a travesty.
      But the people who voted against him because of the color of his
      skin, were in the minority compared to the blacks who voted for him
      just because he is black…who is the racist here????? I voted against him because I did not think he would be good for our country
      and some of his liberal prose just turned me off..rightfully so..
      sho nuff there Denerian or Denshell….

  • Charles

    Heartbroken over what this White House is doing to America.

  • http://personallibertydigest Gottaplenty

    Same squeeky violin there Doc. The rich owe us a free handout and we have soooo much coming. Check out your commie freinds plight in Cuba , North Korea, and any place that embraced the same drivvel your beloved commie leader is saying today.

    • Flashy

      Ummm…isn’t Cuba and n Korea where a small group of elite are subsidized etc by the masses? And is that not what we have today as a result of the war waged upon the Middle Class since 1980?

      • kkflash

        In a word “NO”.

        • Flashy

          kkf…ok, you disagree that there is a small elite ruling N. Korea or Cuba?

          Or are you disagreeing that the wealth inequality in this nation is one of the worst in the world?

          • DaveR

            I don’t know what they are saying. I am asserting that following the “lead” of other socialistic/communistic countries is not likely to turn out much better in USA than it has in Cuba, N. Korea et al. Obama appears to want to model USA after European current implementation of socialized functions. How’s that working out for Europe today? Why not return to application of the principles that built this country? Hint… dependence on government handouts was not among those principles.

          • kkflash

            I am disagreeing with your suggestion that a small group of elite in this country are subsidized by the masses. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, it is the masses who are supported largely by the taxes paid by a small percentage of the population.

            http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

            And perhaps you’d like to offer some explanation of the “war” you say is being waged on the middle class since 1980. By whom? In what way? What occurred in 1980 to signal the start of this alleged war?

  • Falcon

    Did Buffets groundskeepers and housekeepers and the fact that they pay a higher percentage than he does in taxes really need mentioning?

    A good start would be to raise capitol gains tax to 40+% while reducing the the rate on the middle class, those that actually “work” for a living to 15% or less. While Buffet actually built his fortune, the majority of those at that level inherited it and contribute nothing compared to what the middle class contributes to society.

    • Jimmy

      40% seriously? Nobody will invest, money will leave our country faster than anytime in history. That ought to make OWS happy. For about a day then all the things they now get for free and the future of anymore will start crumbling!!

      • Flashy

        What a crock. no one would invest…bah. That is one of the biggest lies ever told…and you fell for it. So when you invest your money, do you look at the tax ramifications or do you look at the soundness of the investment?

        A low captial gains tax encourages money to not be invested on any long term basis. buy a stock…it goes up 20%. you sell it because you can, and it’s a low tax rate. The company which is sound and grew…is now punished becaue you took the money and ran.

        Or…buy a stock, it goes up 20%. you keep it invested and growing…and take a credit line using the stock as collateral…the interest rate is your ‘tax’ for keeping it invested in the sound and growing company….since you do not pay taxes on a loan.

        Just do away with a Captial gains bracket. Capital gains should be treated as ordinary income.

        • Robert

          I have to know, are you just naturally stupid or is it just a well polished act ?

        • eddie47d

          Why do Hedge Fund Managers only have to pay 15% on any of their income even when they TAKE billions on their financial scams? Are all those in the 1% honest? Think again!

        • kkflash

          Obviously, you know zip about investing, finance, or capital formation.

          • Flashy

            Know a few more pages about it than most folks kkf. lol

    • Ted Crawford

      Woul it help to know that this poor abused woman, Debra Bosanek, Buffetts Sec., owns TWO houses?
      Her primary home in Bellevue Nebraska is valued at $217,000. Her second home in Surprize Arazona, complete with a swimming pool and putting green is valued at only $144,000! I trully feel sorry for this impoverished woman!

      • John

        And? I own more homes then that. Why are you even bringing up her private wealth? That was never in question or the discussion… or are you one of those bottom feeders that are envious what others own?

      • Karolyn

        THAT is not the point. I’m sure she makes a good living working for a generous boss, but the fact is she pays a higher percentage of her pay in taxes than he does. She might even have a husband who works too.

        • DaveR

          If she invests like her boss (buying stocks of corporations at opportune times and prices based on research, smarts, and luck), she will pay taxes like her boss. Capital gains tax rates were intentionally set lower than for income from other sources to encourage people to invest. You don’t get the benefit of capital gains rates by short term trading. And those that invest are deferring other uses they could make of that money, e.g. buying a TV, car, vacation or whatever and instead taking a risk that they will get their money back and then some after waiting more than a year.

    • mikeles

      I agree, Falcon. I believe it was in the ’50s that the tax rate for the richest of America was 91%. After they took all of their deductions allowed, they paid 52%. That was a time when we enjoyed as a country some of our greatest accomplishments, i.e., the Interstate Highway System and the housing boom, and a college education for the average American. This was under the leadership of a Great American Republican. A Conservative! Dwight David Eisenhower. And when he suggested that the tax rate should be LOWERED the wealthiest came to him and said, “No!” They spoke of their ability to more easily afford to finance the growth that America was experiencing. Alas, not so today.

  • http://Personalliberty Tony

    To Everyone:
    This article has some valid points but, as sad as it is, Obama will be getting re-elected. Sorry for the pessimism. Thanks!!

    • John

      I rather have a lame duck Obama, then someone like Mitt or Newt that in essence will continue Obama policies but will have the full support of the GOP. You want this country destroyed, vote Newt or Mitt.

      • kkflash

        I agree that neither of these will make a difference in solving our fiscal problems, because they aren’t true conservatives. Only Ron Paul will make a difference in reining in out of control government.

  • John P. Centonze

    Don’t you people see what a smoke screen all this talk about more tax on the rich is? It has been shown that if all the workers in the USA paid 100% of their income into the mulititude taxes out there, we would still be unable to dig ourselves out of the financial abyss that the government has produced for us(not without our help,however.)
    Like it or not, you have to cut spending! John P. Centonze,D.D.S., Waterbury, Vt

    • Sirian

      Most of us understand that John, and would support major cuts – and I do mean MAJOR CUTS – in Federal spending. Cutting the Federal budget by an enormous amount is the only present solution to our problem. But as long as the politicians in Washington remain hunkered down behind their firm stone walls of the usual “don’t worry, we’ll take care of you”, it’s going to take a much greater force in numbers, people, to break that wall down.

    • John

      Unfortunately, NOBODY in the current crop that has a realistic shot at the WH will cut the spending. Mitt will be nominated to run against Obama…In my mind, this was clear and a foregone conclusion from the start. The rest is just a dog and pony show for the masses.
      Anyone who believes that Mitt (or Newt for that mater)will not continue Obama’s policies is delusional.
      Anyone that believes that Ron Paul would get more then 10% of the votes even if all the oh so vocal supporters write him in in the election is delusional also.
      In the end, it is my believe that NOTHING will change in this country for the next close to 5 years.

      • kkflash

        Stop being one of “the masses” and start teaching them a better way. The only reason Ron Paul is currently running behind the other Republican candidates is because the media, controlled by the current power elite, knows he won’t compromise his principles and allow them to stay in control of the lives of “the masses”. So they ignore him, or destort his message. Ron Paul is the bain of the powered elite, and the freedom-crushing status quo, and you are one of the duped, believing we can’t have a freedom-loving leader because the media told you so. Think for yourself for a change.

  • Ellen

    Corporate boards have the mentality that they should pay very high salaries/bonuses to attract the best talent. In turn, their companies become more valuable and they employ more workers and all people who have investments (stock, 401k, IRA, etc) also benefit from their success. So, while those salaries may seem high, many people benefit. This is not a bad thing when looking at the entire picture, instead of just the salaries of a handful of people. Our bigger problem is that many blue collar jobs don’t exist anymore. The jobs were either automated or sent overseas. Add to that the explostion of poverty and it’s not a surprise that many people are not succeeding like they did in the past. Obama’s plan to give tax breaks to companies who bring blue collar jobs is simple rhetoric. Those jobs can’t be done in the US for the cost overseas and the tax differential doesn’t make economic sense. The first steps to get us back on track are to stop all immigration until unemployement is under 5% and stop welfare for having a baby (turn it into a loan program instead).

    • DaveR

      Most business managers and entrepreneurs think excessive, burdensome, and costly government over regulation is a much greater negative influence on USA based business [manufacturing] than is the present tax structure, although that, too, is significant. See the US Chamber of Commerce and their survey of small business owners for more details.

  • STEVE

    Class envy is for the weak minded.

    • Warrior

      And this will be the message from the democratic socialist party for the next 9 months. The big tent of “weak minded”.

    • Flashy

      And today’s article and most of the posts are full of class envy.

      • libertytrain

        Flashy, your envy is being prominently displayed again for all to see.

        • Flashy

          Liberty…you have no clue of my income class.

          • Blue Devil

            Flashy — Just what DO you do for a living? Other than post endless and senseless comments on Bob Livingston?

          • libertytrain

            flashman, I never mentioned your income class. I don’t care what it is nor what anyone’s is here. I mentioned your envy was showing….. Envy has nothing to do with income, has to do with envy.

          • John

            Blue, Today’s article was not written by Bob Livingston, Bobs articles are mostly well thought out and well balanced.Bob will also be the first to be on this forum and address issues. Today’s article was written by one Mr.Myers, a Canadian citizen and mouthpiece for the Canadian oil and gas industry. Mr. Myers who lives in Canada, is a Canadian citizen and thus not even permitted to vote in the US has made it his goal to advice the citizens in this country on what to do, not to do, what to believe and not to believe, all the while having not the well being of the US citizen at his mind but the well being of his Canadian investors and the corporations who pay him. I am quite skeptical to believe that the well being of the Canadian oil and gas industry, and the well being of the Canadian energy investors is automatically the very best for the citizens in this country.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear John,

            You are talking out of your hat. John is an American citizen living in Canada. He is not paid by oil and gas companies. He is a writer, paid to analyze information on oil, gas and precious metals and to write about them.

            Apology to John expected. And by the way, you are but a couple of fact-devoid screeds directed at our authors away from earning yourself a trip to the automatically-goes-to-moderation filter. Ask eddie47d how that works out.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Tom W.

            Bob, is that a nice way of saying that he was talking out of his a$$?!!

      • cawmun cents

        First let me say this….I dont give a hoot who is responsible for the current malaise in the country right now.Truth be told,there seems to be enough blame to go around.Pointing fingers doesnt get anything but division done.Divide and conquer is the tone of the days.

        I am poor.This was not always the case.But it is right now.
        Who can I blame for this?
        Not certain.
        All I know is that my wallet is dead,and though I have absolutely no incurred debt,I cannot afford an urn to urinate in.
        I scrape by from day to day.
        I do not take hand outs from the gubment,though the situation I am in dictates that it would be rational to do so.
        I have two highschool age children who are as desparately poor as I am.Their mother has them on various gubment programs.
        No sir….I am a simple dirt farmer in a world of hurt for someones vision of spreading the wealth.I have seen this type of thing in my lifetime before.Its the monster of pretend Robin Hood-like tasking from the rich and giving to the poor.Unfortunately,unlike in the storybook,the conclusion is different.
        The end means is that I have become unable to gain employment,and that I am barely able to scrape by.What or who is to blame is a secondary consideration for me.
        You see that even if others attempt to bring me to equality with the rest of the world via,some type of patent manipulations,I will learn to adapt to my circumstances and be happy for what I do have.
        However,since I have merely been brought down to poverty,and not seen those who I have observed as being at the poverty level ahead of me rise out of their poverty,I assume that though the powers in charge right now profess charity to the poor,I seriously doubt their integrity.
        I can be happy whether poor or wealthy.
        But that doesnt come from my gubment.
        It comes from God.
        Some who profess charity,in the name of what they call common decency,seek to drive me down while elevating someone else.
        That would be fine by me if I could see that other person elevating,but I only see desperation,confusion,and continual malcontentedness.This shows me that something else is at work here.
        It cannot be the concept of charity that I am observing.
        Wheen ann attempt is made to level the playing field upwards is undertaken,but a downward spiral in effect occurs,I have to question the integrity of those who spent the time to plan such an event.
        Such is the case today.
        It would be obvious to even the most simple among us that the current situation is untenable.
        But some among us dont see this.
        How can this be?
        It is because they think I wont see things their way that it is that way.But the reality I am confronted with is that nno matter what they think,it is that way.I cant see their vision as real,because my circumstances clearly show me that it is not real.
        They tell me that if I just go along to get along,everything will turn out for the better.Sorry….but I just dont get that concept.
        So when you have this attitude and you havent performed the simple tasks for which you were hired to accomplish,I am understandably sceptical about your true intent.
        It is not a question of politics,but a question of sound reasoning.
        I would expect that if you were to decide to debate me on this matter that you have an equal understanding.
        But what do I know?
        Apparently very little……..
        -CC.

        • Karolyn

          cc – Have you ever thought of making money writing? You have a way with words, although you’d have to be careful with your spelling. I write freelance for a local paper. It only pays $15 per article, but when you have nothing, it’s a lot. It was only 3 years ago I had no appreciable income for a year, so I know of what I speak. I’ve been a hustler my whole life. I thought that would end in my old age; but, guess what? At any rate, I have some ideas for making money online, especially should my job end in 5 months. I take full responsibility for my life and know that wherever I am economically, it is my doing and my doing only.

          • cawmun cents

            Thank you Karolyn,

            And yes the thought has occured to me.Unfortunately my typing skills could use some training.My spelling often changes with my mood,and my brain tries to keep up with what my fingers are doing.That processs does not always work out for the better though.
            I have two remaining braincells and when they are arguing,nothing gets done.Crafting short stories to get my point across is nothing new to me.My problem is that I often say too much to say too little.
            Perhaps someday I will get over that illness,but about that I have my doubts.Thanks for the sentiment though.
            Cheers!
            -CC.

  • alexa

    “The high office of President has been used to format a plot to destroy the American’s freedom, and before I leave office I must inform the citizen of his plight.” (John F. Kennedy at Columbia University, 10 days before his assassination)

  • Homer

    Let me tell you what the “ROOT” of all this evil is and continues to be…”The LOVE of Money” (1 Tim 6:10 KJV) That and the fact that the U.S.A. has kicked God out of this nation and its courts and out of it halls of justice and its schools and has elected a God/Jesus Hating Muslim who has been proven to be an UNDOCUMENTED Alien from Kenya! This nation has left its first love and has the blood of unborn children on its hands and has NOT supported the Jewish nation as it once did! THAT, my friends is exactly why this has come upon us as a nation!! Think about that for a while!!

    • John

      A small fact that people like to conveniently overlook… It does not mater that god was kicked out of schools and the government, in fact it is a bonus if the government is really impartial…As long as the PARENTS raising their kids right, with a solid foundation and they them self are INFORMED and able to answer questions that come up it does NOT mater what the kids and young adults are exposed to or not. If the foundation is solid and they are secure in their foundation and knowledge there will be no harm. But, that would mean that the parents play an active role in the upbringing of the children…not just shove them into kindergarten and then school and hopping that they get raised by the teachers….it is NOT the teachers and governments job to raise your child.

      • Karolyn

        Very good points, John. Everybody who cries foul because God is being “taken out” of everything is seriously mistaken, because nothing can take a believer’s faith out of his heart. Therefore, it matters not whether we have the 10 Commandments in halls of justice or prayer in school. We don’t need to be beat over the head with Christianity in order to be a good and civilized nation.

        • ohoh

          It also shouldn’t be the teachers’ job to indoctrinate our children everyday. The children spend hours each day as captives influenced under the color of authority while we work to pay the bills, and then those of us who know what’s going on are compelled to debrief these poor victims without even knowing half of the misinformation and agendas inculcated in their heads each day. This is disgraceful and every time I hear “It’s not the teachers’ fault,” I grind over the disgusting tales I hear virtually everyday from my own children about these teachers and their lessons and the precious time and energy I have to devote to undoing the damage they’ve done… these “teachers” who are increasingly on a holy jihad to alienate my own children from me and their own heritage — and the audio and video recordings of these classes the kids sometimes feel compelled to record don’t lie. Express political activism, blatant historical revisionism, US-bashing, etc. – it’s pervasive and it never stops. The teachers who keep pushing this have no integrity and, yes, they may say their just following prescribed curricula, but don’t fool yourself. There are plenty of true believers in this garbage and for the rest, there’s plenty of discretionary, gratuitous and partisan indiscretions they could avoid if they wanted to. I don’t care whether they work hard or not, this is wrong.

      • kkflash

        John, this is one of the most intelligent statements I’ve read here today. You’re so right about parents needing take responsibility for their children’s education. But it goes beyond that. We’ve allowed the government to indoctrinate our kids for so long now, that we have generations of people that have shed personal responsibility in favor of the belief in promised entitlements. We have millions upon millions who’ve been convinced by decades of mass media propaganda that they deserve to win the game of life just because they show up on the American playing field. Those in power have chipped away at our freedom by buying it from at the lowest possible price – the price of a vote, which we’ve foolishly sold to them for a promise backed by nothing. They’ve promised us wealth and paid for it with assets stolen from the labors of the productive, and doled it out to the unproductive in paper dollars created out of thin air and also backed by nothing but the promise of the untruthful. It may already be too late to save this country from the enemy, which is ourselves. If you want to try though, start by voting for Ron Paul, and spreading his message of liberty and personal responsibility.

  • pat

    America from what I remember it has really changed in my 75 years. It was once a proud country with grit & determination to always weather the storms ahead and work together to keep our country free. Obama has like he said, “changed our country” it produces nothing now but “dependent people” looking for the hand out, free meals, welfare, food stamps, the list goes on & on. But that is what Socialism feeds on, “dependent people” Look at History, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, etc. prime examples.Jay Carney press sect. for Obama was asked last week if there was a picture of Saul Lowensky in the White House,he didn’t deny it, he meekly said. Pres. Obama likes the concept of the community organizers???? What more do we need? The fox is already in the hen house or should I say, The White House but the blind fail to see. There is a known concept called “Normally Bias” This means, people always think the worst is over and things will get better, Holocast, Katrina, to name a few. Result is that people die from this sort of thinking. Our country is sinking every day and yet people think it has to get better??? Better think again.

  • Barbara Holmes

    I doubt the groundkeepers pay a greater %. They should be grateful and test whether they’re giving God His due. That’s our real problem. When God is with us, who can be against us. I really wonder what Obummer expects to get out of it by destroying our nation. There is no longer any doubt that is his intent.

    • John

      Do you really believe “god’ cares about if those people pay money to a church? The concept of a tide was put into the bible by the Roman Catholic Church to pay for all the excesses they had. Yes, it is a known and established fact that the RCC went back and modified the texts.. (you can do your own research it is just a Google entry away).. many scholars have pointed this out, but established religions do very well with those modifications and will fight the facts tooth and nail…Of course they have the most to lose. All religions that took their script from the abomination the RCC produced and calls the bible throughout its history have kept the items that benefited them most and added to it the items they perceive being important.

      • kkflash

        The word you’re referring to is “tithe” not “tide”.

      • DaveR

        Nuts! The word is “tithe” in English and means a tenth. Are you serious in stating that the Roman Catholic church wrote the Old Testament, including the Torah (the first five books of the Bible)? I suggest you read a Bible or two, beginning at the beginning. You will learn that tithing was part of Jewish laws long before Jesus Christ and the later formation of the Roman Catholic or any other Christian church.

  • mrbill

    I love the title. I have been calling Obama “King” in a blog I write for my local paper for years (http://blog.myplainview.com/billroth). Keep it up. Vote ABO (anybody but Obama).

    • John

      Oh? Well, what would you rather have a lame duck Obama or someone like Newt or Mitt that will continue Obama’s policies with the full backing of the GOP.
      I know, I know they say they will not, but do your really believe them? I mean really? Both of them have never lied right? Even the most cursory look at their political history will show you that they are NO different then Obama.

      • John

        Moreover , if you after thinking about this still say anybody but Obama, you may want to explore what your real motives are…because it is not Obama’s politics that make you say that.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        With Newt or Mitt we may get even worse than we have, but are you saying that O may be the “Devil’s Advocate”.

  • will jonas

    How did this guy ever get elected is a shock to me. He hates white people and funny that white libs got him elected and republicians staying home because McCain is a nut case.

    • Koko48

      Speaking of John McCain….did you know he had a hand in writing the NDAA Act…where they’ve tossed out the constitution?? I’d like to see who else was in that room with him…and try them all for TREASON to the beautiful U.S.A. A few more come to mind, who concocted 9/11, the “False Flag”, just so they could go to war in Iraq/Afghanistan, and get a foothold all over there. All for oil/poppies, greed and control. Read “Family of Secrets”, by Russ Baker, read “Rule by Secrecy” by Jim Marrs, “The Secret Team”, by Fletcher Prouty – all about how the CIA is doing so much covert work, that it is destroying America…and “The Terror Conspiracy”, by Jim Marrs. WE MUST WAKE UP and demand our rights back. You cannot throw out the constitution. The only terrorists in the country is those that started this, they are the real terrorists.

    • John

      Well, the actual numbers of voter participation in that election are on the web for all to see….and it does look like there where about as many registered democrats staying home as there where republicans… from an percentage point of view. The turn out and voter spread does not differ that much from the past. So to say Obama only got elected because an disproportional number of republicans did not vote is not reality. Now if you would look at the 2010 election the numbers are quite the opposite, The tea party was elected because a huge turnout by republican voters whereas it seems that democrats stayed home.

  • 4-just_us

    Obama lied to us to get into office and for that he will not get my vote again. He’s an orator;not a leader. He keeps talking about the differences of the 1% vs. 99%. It’s a ploy to get the 99% to vote for him against the 1%. Obama IS the 1% and gets his orders from the 1%. He reeks with duplicity.

  • Robert Fine

    Does it make any sense at all to go back to the Republican party that got the U.S. and the world into the mess to begin with? The answer is no. And I really find it a laugh to hear Republicans complain that Obama did not keep some of his promises when it was the Republicans who have made it so difficult for him to do so.

    • Ted Crawford

      Thank you Comrade Alinsky!

      • Flashy

        What a hoot using Alinsky’s name as some sort of insult. you do realize no less a staunch wacked conservative Dick Armey gave the Tea Party HQ a hundred copies of Alinsky’s book for use as a guide? And amongst the friend of Alinksy was that great “liberal” William F. Buckley?

        Bigotry abounds when someone thinks Alinsky’s name connotates the left.

        Too funny ….

        • JeffH

          Flashy…you cite no source but even if it were true, you must realize it is important to understand the enemy(Marxism, communism, socialism and progressivism), the enemy of our Republic, the enemy of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness…to understand Alinsky is to understand you and what you and others attempt to bring to this table each and every day.

          In other words Flashy, you have zero credibility here despite your constant buzz!

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Alinsky among others wrote out the specifics of manipulating people to go in the direction of their Leftist/Progressive/Socialist/Utopian path.

      • mikeles

        Ted, do you know what the job of a Community Organizer is?

        • John

          I lol at everyone that believes community organizing is a “”left”” only occupation. There are many conservatives I know who do community organizing… people really have no idea what it entails.

          • JeffH

            Ahhhhh….but Obama wasn’t just a “community organizer”, he was a Marxist “community organizer” well trained in the Alinsky method.

            Despite Obama’s past efforts to alienate himself from Alinsky, let’s not forget what the son of the “great community organizer” said about Obama following the 2008 DNC Convention. In a letter to Boston Globe, L. David Alinsky said:

            Barack Obama’s training in Chicago by the great community organizers is showing its effectiveness. It is an amazingly powerful format, and the method of my late father always works to get the message out and get the supporters on board. When executed meticulously and thoughtfully, it is a powerful strategy for initiating change and making it really happen. Obama learned his lesson well.

            I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.
            _________________________________________

            On Jan. 23, 2012, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney was asked by a reporter to elaborate on GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich’s accusation that Barack Obama shares the same vision as Saul Alinsky, the Chicago native community organizer.

            QUESTION: Newt Gingrich keeps saying on the campaign trail that the president’s vision comes from Saul Alinsky, the community organizer. I haven’t heard you asked about that. I’m wondering if you want to — is there some sort of portrait of him in the White House that people look up to? Or is this just some — is this BS basically?

            MR. CARNEY: Have I said how much fun I had as a reporter covering Congress from 1996 to 1998? There was a certain bombast to it at the time, a lot of colorful things to cover.

            But the president’s background as a community organizer is well documented in the president’s own books, so his experience in that field obviously contributed to who he is today. But his experience is a broad-based one that includes a lot of other areas in his life, so I’ll just leave it at that.
            http://patriotpost.us/perspective/2012/01/24/jay-carney-obamas-community-organizer-experience-contributed-to-who-he-is-today/

        • cawmun cents

          Are you or have you ever been a union member?
          Just asking.-CC.

      • John

        Too bad Newt is carrying the book around with him… booohoo…

  • Tom W.

    What’s wrong with our world, what’s wrong with our country, and what’s wrong with our economy? How is it that the one time world economic leader is now on the verge of being reduced to third-world country status? How is it our president is now seeking assistance for our struggling economy from the countries where we allowed big business to send our jobs in their quest for $14 a day labor? We should have told them back then to pack up and take their corporate headquarters also! Maybe you’re one of those arrogant folks who say that will never happen to our great nation. I’ve got news for you guys, it’s happening! If the U.S. Dollar (Which J.P. Morgan/ Stanley is now comparing strength-wise to the Mexican Peso.) is ever allowed to be replaced as the world standard currency, we will be a sovereign nation no longer. We will have become a member of the New World Order. Maybe you’re one of those who say that it’s about time, but before you go jumping on that one-world bandwagon and buy yourself a Rosetta-stone C.D. to learn to speak Mandarin Chinese, please stop and consider that we are the only nation on the face of this Earth that was ever founded on the principle that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator (The three words our president had trouble remembering when quoting this line, although to his credit, he finally did get it right when addressing our troops in Afghanistan shortly after Thanksgiving the year before last.) with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That’s not by the power of some king, queen, chairman, czar, dictator, imam, act of congress, or senate, but by our Creator! Which makes these rights undeniable! Is there a higher order to be sought? I think not! The New World Order won’t know anything about We the People, but will be of the elites, by the elites, and for the elites. The rest of us that they allow to live will simply be their slaves. Wanna see their agenda in a lapidary nutshell, in their materia sacra? Simply goggle “Georgia Guidestones.” I know what St. Patrick would have done. Goggle “Crom Curauch” to find out, and the true story behind St. Pattys’ Day and why it’s a worthy holiday to be celebrated.
    And while I’m on my soapbox, how can the chief councilman of the Ways and Means Committee, the person responsible for writing our nations’ tax codes be found guilty of income tax evation for failing to report 17 years of income from an Antiguan rental property, be not punished to the fullest extent of the law?! I wonder what Redd Foxx would have to say? Now I’ll admit that I’m a nobody and that there are probably mitigating circumstances that are way over my humble little head, but is ignorance a justifiable defense? That’s what he’s claiming! Censured?! You’ve got to be kidding me! Nancy Pelosi looked more pained meting it out than Charlie did receiving it. And after it was over, it sure didn’t take him long to regain that ear to ear Rangle smile. Why didn’t they get really serious and put him in congressional time-out? What do you think about it Wesley? How about you Willie? Well I guess I might be being a little tough on old Charlie, who knows, he might’ve used Turbo-tax, huh Mr. Geithner?
    “In a nation of laws, existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or ill, it teaches the whole people by its’ examples. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law, it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.”
    1928 Supreme Court opinion by Justice Louis Brandeis
    Wake up America!!! What?! Are we living in a country governed by a secret society of meglomaniacs who fancy themselves above the very laws that they’ve made their fortunes from enforcing the rest of us to adhere to?!
    “We are free today substantially, but the day will come when our republic will come to impossibility because it’s wealth will be concentrated in the hands of a few. When that day comes, then we must rely upon the wisdom of the best elements in the country to readjust the laws of the nation to the changed conditions.”
    James Madison
    “None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe that they are free.”
    Goethe
    “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”
    Martin Luther King Jr.

    • Tom W.

      “For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and they lay them on mens’ shoulders; but they themselves wll not move them with one of their fingers.”
      Matthew 23:4 (KJV) – Thank you Jesus!!!

  • SMSgtZ ret Nam 68

    President Obama has done a fair job conceding the hand he was dealt
    Health Care the plan is not great but if the industry had not lobbied so strongly against any change and the republicans not going along with keeping the status-quo do to the fact there was a whole lot of profit.
    Consumer Protection why are the lobbyists fighting so hard to get the law watered down and the republicans(again)right there with the lobbyists helping the corporations and not the Citizens Could the answer be MONEY again
    Tax Code fixing of the tax code is not class warfare The current tax code is slowly killing the middle class there has to be change
    There is more but no more time
    We 99% will not rest until our Republic is removed from the grasp of the lobbyist’s

    • DaveR

      We could accomplish much consumer protection by requiring all consumer loan agreements to be stated in plain [English] words and only using simple interest. Instead we got added layers of complexity that are unlikely to help consumers. And where are the prohibitions against bankers and investment companies creating more derivatives?

  • Robert Francis

    I am amazed at you and the other hateful Americans who can think of nothing except your main Agenda get Obama out! You all have no solutions, The Republicans put us in this mess, You had a stroke when Obama actually won and have been after him ever since. The more you go after him the more support you create for him, you are not going to change minds with your twisted facts and lies. Yes many people are stupid, but many more can think for themselves!

    • John

      Meyers actually can care less what happens in the US as long as his oil and energy interest are taken care of. He would promote the devil incarnate if it would mean him and the Canadian oil corporations who pay him make more profit. They would not care if this country collapses…as long as they can profit because of it the world will be great.
      And thus you will find articles like this on the web articles that get the unthinking masses all riled up. I call them “unthinking” because they read this trash, and respond emotionally to it without to stop and think for a moment trying to find out what motives someone who is NOT a citizen and does not live in this country, does not vote and thus could care less would have to write an article like this.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear John,

        You write: “Meyers (sic) actually can care less what happens in the US as long as his oil and energy interest are taken care of. He would promote the devil incarnate if it would mean him and the Canadian oil corporations who pay him make more profit.”

        And you cite what for evidence? Do you know John Myers? Have you ever met or spoken to him? Your ad hominems are unappreciated.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

        • John

          Dear Bob,
          Nope i never meet the man, but since the last 4 years I have read a lot of what he is writing. Should he not be exactly like I perceive he is then maybe it is because of the way he is writing his essays.
          Although I not always agree with what you write, (it would really be bad if we all would agree all the time after all we are not ants), Your articles are mostly well thought out and seems to show the real world issues and concerns that citizens of the US have as seen by another citizen. Mr Myers is always pushing the interests of the energy industry and pushes the points those people will make. Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe he should just try to learn some more balanced writing skills from you?
          It still does NOT answer the question why he is writing this? Why is someone who does not live here trying to influence voters with essays like this, he is not a citizen and is not permitted to vote in the elections of this country, yet tries to influence the people in this country with his essays… why? What does he have to gain? Would it not be a lot better if he would be engaged full time in the country he is a citizen of and leave US politics to US citizens? We are a sovereign country and do NOT need outsiders meddle in our elections and yes, writing essays like this on blogs like this is influencing voters…big time… NAFTA has destroyed a lot of US jobs and industry, Canada and Mexico are profiting big time from it, and here is a Canadian citizen trying to influence the voters in this country…not only influence but he is actually putting down the government of the country I love. I do not care how bad or how glorious Obama and his administration are… it is OUR business, the business of the US citizen who voted. We know he is bad, we don’t need a Canadian citizen (as he has stated many a times) flaming the fires of discontent even more…. Our elections are our business NOT the business of an outsider from Canada. Let the Canadians take care of their own country (its own brand of socialism sux big time) fix it first before trying to tell us how to fix ours. We don’t tell then how to run their country so they should keep out of ours and and keep their collective noses out of our affairs.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear John,

            I addressed some of this in your comment above before I saw your reply. But I can answer some of it this way:
            First, he is an American citizen living in Canada.
            Second, he writes it because I ask him to.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • JeffH

            John…your “presumptuous ignorance” is very telling…

          • Tom W.

            Get him boys!!!

      • kkflash

        John, the unthinking masses need to be riled up, because they don’t realize they’re being robbed of the one thing we all began with the same amount of – free will. People in desperation grasp at anything to pull themselves up. They’re so easily duped by glad-handing politicians. We need to rile the folks into thinking before they sell their souls to the government. Liberals seem to think it’s the government against the corporations in the great class warfare, and that government will save them from corporate greed, but that’s just wrong. The only thing more dangerous to the people’s freedom than a greedy corporation is a greedy and corrupt government. We limit the power of corporations through competition in a free marketplace. But government has no competition. We must limit its power through strict adherence to a set of limiting principles we call the Constitution. We must constantly restrain government from its natural tendency to grow beyond its Constitutional bounds, because the people who make up government have a natural tendency to try to increase their power. With each step that power increases, our freedom decreases and that is the one thing we must never allow to diminish.

  • david

    Blaming Obama for our economic decline is stupid at best, partisan at worst. The seeds of our downturn began under Reagan when the Savings and Loan industry was deregualted. That was a shot across the bow, but the ideologues tasted blood even though their first foray ended in disaster.
    Since then deregulation and lower capital gains taxes has destroyed the ability of America to create jobs because accumulating great wealth by investing in creating paper wealth does not put money into the pockets of the real job creators. which are the people who buy the goods and services they need to survive and prosper. And that isn’t the rich.
    There are many other factors fueling our decline, but government policies, deregualtion and capital gains taxes lower than the average American pays is a huge contributor. You want to blame anyone, blame the Congress and the capitalists.

    • mikeles

      Thank you, David. Deregulation? Do the members of the Tea Party, or even the rank and file of the Republican or Democrat parties really believe that we are a nation of laws? During the administration of President Reagan the enforcement of the ANTI-TRUST LAWS were suspended and have not been used since then, no matter which party was in power. We don’t like MONOPLIES, but that is just what the ANTI-TRUST LAWS were put on the books to limit–eliminate.

      Is it true, what I heard from a friend last night, that one person bought up the freon that is used in air conditioners? If that is true, then that might be why it is so expensive. It is also a good example of why the ANTI-TRUST LEGISLATION was first proposed…at the turn of the 20th century?

  • Ted G

    Look at how the discussion has centered around increasing revenue for the fed and barely a mention about cutting government down to a Constitutionally mandated size! Obama is a socialist liar and a traitor! He aids and abets America’s enemies. He is manipulating the 40% who pay no taxes to supporting his socialistic and illegal power grab.

  • Lisa

    I love the way people want to blame republicans for the crisis we are seeing but let’s not forget it was Clinton who repealed Glass Stegall which got the ball rolling….downhill

    • Flashy

      just a question for you..do you know who authored the bill that repealed Glass Steagall?

    • NC

      Lisa, I love the way Repugnuts show their ignorance as to how laws are passed and who has the power to do what. Why don’t you do a little research as to how many Republicans voted for the bill that did away with Glass Stegall?

      • kkflash

        Do some yourself, Dumbocrat. The final vote to repeal Glass-Steagll was overwhelmingly bi-partisan: 90-8 in the Senate, and 362-57 in the House, and signed into law by Clinton in 1999. So, don’t try blaming the “too big to fail” belief that pervades our government on the Republicans.

  • Lisa

    Ted I couldn’t agree more

  • home boy

    i’m really supprised noone is yapping about obama wanting to shut down the catholic church unless they abide by his new rules on abortion. `this will not stop here. he will eventually attack all religions in this country. religion, weather you agree with it or not, is the one common denominator that people have in this country. then the rest of the world’s governments will follow suit. pay attention to this and don’t say this will ever happen in this country. it’s coming.

    • rosina

      I DID MENTION IT IN MY REPLY ABOVE TO SCRAPPY.
      THE WHOLE BILL OF RIGHTS IS BEING RIPPED TO SHREDS.
      THE 2ND, THE 4TH, AND NOW THE 1ST-FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND FREEDOM OF RELIGION. MAYBE EVEN OTHERS.
      YOU ARE RIGHT ‘HOME BOY’ THERE ARE 90MILLION CATHOLICS IN THE USA SO I HOPE SOME OF THIS GETS INTO THEIR HEADS.
      WHAT WILL THIS COUNTRY BECOME? mUSLIM? SHARIA LAW?
      PERSECUTIONS?
      BE AFRAID, VERY AFRAID.

    • Flashy

      no one is yapping about it because Pres. Obama has made no such effort to shut down the Cathlic church.

      Do you guys actually spend time thinking this stuff up?

      • libertytrain

        no, not shutdown the Catholic Church but attempting to force them to do something against their religion. Kind of like of feeding bacon to muslims

        • Flashy

          OK LT..what is this you speak of? This oughtta be good …

          • libertytrain

            hey flash do your own research. You talk the talk but can’t walk the walk.

          • libertytrain

            Flashy flashman, looks like Mr. Livingston very kindly helped you out with that info a little further down….

        • John

          On the other hand, nobody forces the Catholics to run hospitals either. The Vatican is the richest country in this world… without producing ANYTHING, churches are just like welfare recipients, they con the People in this world into supporting them and their lavish pomp and lifestyle using the worlds largest Ponzi scheme ever, religion.

          • libertytrain

            you need to do some research as well. Look at legitimate info though for a change.

          • 45caliber

            John:

            It seems to me that you are jealous. After all, from what you are saying, you don’t give them any money so why should you be upset that others do? Perhaps … gasp! … you are upset that they aren’t giving you the money instead??

          • John

            Nah,I rather work and earn my money thank you.

          • kkflash

            And nothing in the Constitution gives Obama, or a liberal Congress the power to force private hospitals and businesses to pay for something that is against their religious principles. In fact, religion has nothing to do with it. There is no Constitutional power granted to government that allows them to mandate the purchase of healthcare, nor to mandate the benefits a private health insurance plan must provide. Obamacare is an abomination (Obamanation?) to the Constitution, and to the principles on which this country was founded.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear libertytrain,

          I believe this is what you’re referencing.

          http://www.westernjournalism.com/did-obama-and-sebelius-tell-catholics-to-go-to-hell/

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • libertytrain

            Mr. Livingston, thank you. That’s exactly what I had heard about, as did some others on this site.

      • home boy

        flashy, open your bible and look at the book of revelation . that’s the last book in the bible for those who don’t read it. chapter 17 and 18. babylon the great will be destroyed. babylon in the bible is not iran as some think. it is the empire of false religion . look at chapter 17 verse 17. god will put this thought into their hearts. it’s coming believe it or not

        • Flashy

          good mthing i’m not a member of the American taliban eh? Not having such “esteemed” membership means I don’t have to worry about that affecting me…

    • Karolyn

      HIS new rules on abortion? What’s that all about? Do you know something the rest of the country doesn’t?

      • libertytrain

        whatever channel I had on last night re news mentioned the forcing of abortions, etc. in Catholic Hospitals because of obama’s recent edict.

        • JeffH

          Obamacare Will Mandate Free Coverage of Abortion Drug & Contraception Without Religious Exemption

          The Obama administration has decided to move forward with its mandate that private insurance companies must provide “free” coverage of contraception and sterilization procedures, as well as an abortion pill called “ella”–which is much friendlier sounding than its “close chemical relative” RU-486.

          Religious organizations had pushed for a conscience exemption, but the Obama administration has denied their request. “The Obama administration will allow religious organizations a one-year delay before they must comply with a new rule requiring employers that offer workers health insurance to include access to contraception with no out-of-pocket cost,” the Washington Post reports. That means that employers opposed to abortion–even Catholic schools, hospitals, and charities–will be required to provide health care coverage that they find morally objectionable. The Obamacare rule does retain a very narrow exemption for houses of worship.
          http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-will-mandate-free-coverage-abortion-drug-contraception-without-religious-exemption_617361.html

          This weekend, Catholic bishops informed parishioners of the recent White House edict forcing religious hospitals, schools, charities and other health and social service providers to provide “free” abortifacient pills, sterilizations and contraception on demand in their insurance plans—even if it violates their moral consciences and the teachings of their churches.

          • Flashy

            THIS is what the Catholic Church hulaballo is about? Jeesh. Ok, so the church, as an employer, has a private health insurance company that states it meets federal requirements. It’s not as if they are forcing any birth control on the employees.

            Man o man …. every little thing gets blown out of proportion if you can make this President look bad.

          • JeffH

            Flashy, you are such an intentional idiot that you are absolutely repulsive. You’re a classic “Alinskyite” to the n’th degree.

          • libertytrain

            Flashy, you are a ditz. So it’s okay to force muslims to eat pork or bathe in bacon if it’s ok to force Catholics to commit what they perceive to be murder — yeah, you make sense……

          • kkflash

            Flashy, there’s nothing “out of proportion” about the outrage I feel over Obamacare, and particularly the provision of it that requires a private religious organization to provide and pay for an abortion pill for its employees. Regardless of your personal views on abortion, you must realize that most Catholics view abortion as murder, and Obamacare does nothing less than mandate that health plan providers aid and abet that murder. You may condone that, but trying to make me and my business do it is unconscionable and unconstitutional. No response to that kind of tyranny would be “out of proportion”.

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, yeah Flashy makes “cents” alright…pity that someone would pay him to be so obvious! But…it is forever!

          • libertytrain

            yes Jeff, he sure does prove that “forever” business each day —-

          • Tom W.

            See if this explains it for ya Flushy!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccK-by3HvVg

            Happy St. Patty’s Day Everybody!!! Don’t F#*% wit the Pope!!!

  • Lawrence Ekdahl

    I fear America is lost. Since Ronald Reagan The best president we hve had was Clinton and he was terrible It doesn’t make a dimes worth of differance who we elect. They are all one world government globalists’ Wellcome to the new world order.

  • Elevenarrows

    Excellent article! Frankly, I think Obama is creating an environment much like the one that brought about French peasants chopping off the heads of the aristocracy. If Obama were truly a Christian and read his Bible, he would see that one of the ten commandments is to not covet what your neighbor has. His actions and policies do much to encourage coveting by many who are too weak-willed, lazy or ambitious enough to go out and seek their own fortunes.

    As to the amnesty he would love to give to illegals, that is clearly all about votes. Please don’t bring up the argument that illegals can’t vote…there are many Hispanics here who can and do vote and they would throw their support behind any candidate offering to make every illegal an American citizen. The responsibility of the executive branch is to protect American citizens. The horrific failure of Obama (and many, many presidents before him) to secure our borders ought to be an impeachable offense. Of course, then we would have to have a legislative branch willing to perform their duty, and that is not likely to happen.

    • rosina

      VERY GOOD ELEVENARROWS.
      YOU ARE CORRECT.

    • mikeles

      Hi, 11arrows. I pointed out in an earlier response that if those here illegally can work, then they must have SSNs and to get one of those they need a driver’s license, and with that license they can register to vote. VERY DANGEROUS FOR OUR COUNTRY!

      I would also point out that those of us who are familiar with the scripture, especially the New Testament, know that the people to whom Jesus ministered were not the rich (1%?) but the poor (the freeloaders and welfare scammers?). It was the Money Changers (Bankers?) he chased from the Temple and it was the rich who had him arressted and murdered.

      • Blue Devil

        mikeles — I think that you are a mite confused! I got my SSN at age 14 and, I can assure you, certainly did not have a driver’s license at that age. Or vote, either!

        • 45caliber

          Blue:

          But you did have a birth certificate. It used to be that one was required for a driver’s license too but that changed.

          Keep in mind that many of the illgals are buying sets of ID papers with SS#, driver’s license, and birth certificate from others too. They draw welfare under one set while working under another.

          • John

            lol Tell that to my wife that wanted her drivers license changed after our move .. it was in the safe on the moving truck and somewhere in transit. She had to wait until it was unloaded and she had access to it before she could get her license… yes they wanted her BC plus 2 additional Ids, nothing else would do…

          • libertytrain

            45 – probably varies with each State.

          • Flashy

            45..define “many”. Certainly you are not stating any sizable percentage…are you?

          • 45caliber

            Flashy. About 20%. At least in this area. Talk to some of your contractors who hire them. They can tell you since the illegals like to change their IDs every six months so they can reclaim all their income taxes for “being out of work six months”.

      • kkflash

        And it was the screaming masses that cried “crucify him!” when asked by the potentate what should be done with this man. Mob rule then. Now we have Occupy Wall Street crying “crucify them” and demanding that the wealthy support them. Mob rule now.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Once again there are too many ignorant people here for my taste. Good Day.

    • John

      lmao, did we expect anything else….

    • 45caliber

      Thanks for leaving. You were able to raise the intelligence average of this site by doing it.

    • JeffH

      CaB… :) How many times must you cry wolf until nobody believes you and you lose any semblance of credibility? You’re well past that point now!

  • Tom W.

    Oh, it’s getting ready to end one way or another! Joe Manchin, God bless him, has gotten behind the Keystone XL pipeline project and IO believe he is but the first of a long line of Dems who are going to be jumping ship! They know the ship is sinking!!!

  • noel

    yup the DIMocRATS have run chicago (stink water in iroqouis) into the ground. now they want to share their collective filth w/ the rest of us!!! OBAMANOS 2012!!!

  • HarryButtle

    “let’s not forget it was Clinton who repealed Glass Stegall which got the ball rolling”

    Wow, talk about revising history. Here’s the actual history:
    The bill that ultimately repealed Glass Steagall was brought up in the Senate by Phil Gramm (R-Texas) and in the House of Representatives by Jim Leach (R-Iowa) in 1999. The bills were passed by a Republican majority, basically following party lines by a 54–44 vote in the Senate and by a bi-partisan 343–86 vote in the House of Representatives. After passing both the Senate and House the bill was moved to a conference committee to work out the differences between the Senate and House versions. The final bill resolving the differences was passed in the Senate 90–8 and in the House: 362–57.

    • John

      Moreover, if you look at the votes, I don’t blame Clinton for signing it, a veto from him would have been over ruled by congress.

  • Chris

    It is depressing to see that King Obama will be re-elected, because the Republicans couldn’t come up with a candidate worthy of my vote.
    I would have voted for Ron Paul, even if his foreign policy is nuts, because he stands for the constitution & cannot be bought.
    As far as I’m concerned the Republicans and Democrats are now the same party with 2 lying faces.
    It is a total disgrace that this is all we have to choose from.
    I will be leaving the ballot blank for president.

  • Patriots Rise

    President Obama will be the first president to leave office with 0 net new jobs. Now THAT’S leadership and love of country! Envy, one of the seven deadly sins. Liberals,keep on hating the successful for their hard (smart) work. Instead of looking up to Obama for his failures llok up to the successful for inspiration. Nothing will improve until he and his cronies are out of office.

    • NC

      Patriots, the man before bush created 22 million jobs. Why didn’t bush create 25 million jobs?He created his own “war time economy;!!!! I think it was the WSJ that said bush’s job creation was the weakest ever. Especially with the economy he inherited!How would you like the job of trying to CREATE jobs in an economic atmosphere that had lost a RECORD 700,000plus jobs in one month and 2.1 million total and rising in the year BEFORE you took office. I’m sure you have an answer.

      • 45caliber

        NC:

        If he didn’t want to do the job, he shouldn’t have taken it. And if he can’t handle it, he should give it up to someone else who might be able to do it.

        Since he has taken it over, we have lost far more than 2.1 million jobs here. Despite the numbers the government likes to project (based solely on the number of people collecting unemployment checks) the actual unemployment is closer to 20% of the population. Has he corrected this? No. He’s had over three years to try … but failed. So let’s forget the previous Presidents and concentrate on what this one has done … and has not done.

        I don’t vote for someone based on what someone else might have done years ago. I vote for … or against … someone based on their own accomplishments or lack thereof.

      • kkflash

        NC, don’t you think that “I inherited this problem from George Bush” excuse is getting a little old? After all, Obama is getting to the end of his term, and he had both Houses of Congress on his side for the first two years. He could have done something that would have helped the economy and jobs, but he was more interested in making more people dependent on government, to help his re-election efforts. He could have begun to get the government’s fiscal profligacy under control, but instead he and his Congressional cohorts went on the biggest spending spree in world history. He could have supported plans for the Keystone pipeline and its associated new jobs, but instead he cowtowed to the environmentalists in order to secure that section of the electorate for the upcoming election. Bush may have been the WSJ’s choice as worst President for jobs, but he now has to relinquish his title to the undisputed heavyweight champion of job destruction – Obama.

  • Linda

    Not too long before Obama was elected, (and while in the midst of focussing on a completely unrelated task) a powerful impression came to my mind. It was that BHO was akin to two historical figures: Marcus Antonius (Mark Antony) and Adolph Hitler.

    I immediately dismissed it, thinking it was just way out there!!!

    Mark Antony was such a great orator (at least in Shakespeare’s play, Julius Caesar), that, using subversive language, he turned the citizens of Rome from being sympathic to the cause of Brutus, (et tu, Brute), Cassius, and the rest of the conspirators that assassinated Caesar, to turn against them, seek them out and beat them to death.

    When Hitler was elected Chancellor of Germany, he was a smooth orator, and promised essentially, “Change You Can Believe In). But he had an agenda.

    We now see that Obama has an agenda to make America, at the very least, Socialistic. At worst, Communistic.

    I now know that this thought was a warning. In fact, I was planning to vote for BHO right up to the moment that I was in the voting booth looking at his name. At that moment, a powerful nausea enveloped me!!! I had learned in the past that whenever I am about to make a choice, if I get a warm feeling about it, it’s a good choice, even of it doesn’t seem logical at the time.

    But if I feel queasy and unsettled, it’s the wrong choice. I’ve learned to “listen to my gut”, so, as odd as it may have seemed, at that moment I cast my vote for McCain. Of course, McCain didn’t win, but I feel relief that I was not a contributor in the election of BHO.

    And now I see that that impression was right on target! Obama is a very good orator, but he has an evil agenda…to make Americans dependant puppets; to cause us to become lazy and complacant, since there is no hope of dreaming of getting ahead in life!

    We will all be sitting around, depressed and drinking Vodka, standing in long lines just to get soap and toilet paper!

    Sound familiar??? Don’t delude yourselves into thinking it can’t happen in America!

    Have you not heard the analogy of the crabs (or lobsters) in the pot of cold water? The pot was placed over the fire and the water began to warm up. The crustaceans appreciated the warmer water and basked in it. Soon, though, it was getting a bit too warm, and the wished they could climb out of the pot, but they couldn’t. Hotter and hotter it became, until at last, the poor crustaceans succumbed to the boiling water.

    The moral of the story: get out of the pot of water before it gets too hot!!!

    I’m now convinced that we have to get Obama OUT of office before he completely destroys America!!!

    • mikeles

      Hello Linda. I have to ask you, “What SPICIFICALLY has President Obama done to create a Socialist or Communist State in the United States?”

      • Flashy

        You really think you’ll get an answer? LOL

      • cawmun cents

        You wont get it,but here is my answer……

        “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!”-The man behind the curtain

      • John

        I wonder if she knows history and that Hitler ran on a very conservative platform, aligned with the socialists to win and then exterminated them with a vengeance? Hitler was a very god fearing christian and conservative. Although, the US right tries to say it isn’t true, but just as with all other tries to rewrite history they are failing in that task, simply because historical records are hard to falsify as long as there are people around that remember.. Hitler ran on the notion to restore the country to its former glory, bring back the national identity, the pride in the country, family values, the constitution,law …gasp…god. He used the socialists as a means to get to power and for convenience sake kept the socialist in the parties name. Hitler was a socialist the same as the Democratic Republic of N-Korea is democratic or a republic….in the name only. During the time he ran for office, his campaign had more in common with Ron Paul and Rick Santorum then with Obama.

        • cawmun cents

          Just keep in mind that you ally yourself with folks like this there Flashy,in deference to John.
          Then when you seem to lack credibility,you might understand why.
          But I doubt it.
          -CC.

          • John

            Camun, I don’t align myself with anyone, .I will always present facts as “I” see them… and will present them either for or against a persons post…. and I don’t care if that poster is the residential self styled expert or the declared residential troll… I will listen to what others have to say, sometimes they can convince me they are right sometimes not. I am me , take it or leave it, and if someone believes I takes sides, so be it…it is their idea not mine, I am not responsible for other peoples minds and delusions.

          • cawmun cents

            Truth be told,Hitler came to power because of the Russian revolution.
            When what comrade Lenin had done to Russia was attempting to be done in Germany by the same types of folks,the nation of Germany needed a leader to keep that from happening.What they got after the dust settled was Hitler.I do not make comparisons based on political idealism,but upon the actions of those who commit them.
            Here in the United States,because we have four year term limits(consecutively anyhow)we dont have anyone like HITLER,or STALIN,or MAO,in the wings waiting to take over.
            However should the gubment collapse,and someone else inherit power,we should assume that it could possibly happen here too.The poulace is primed for civil war,the nation is divided,the parties are constircting rights while spending and inventing money that has no backing.Its a prime example of what happened in Germany,culminating in the Third Reich.Watch out for those who see things,but dont have the vision to understand them.To think that these conditions cannot make Nazi-like institutions arise here in America is arrogant and foolish.Not saying that they will arise,but that they are possible.
            -CC.

        • kkflash

          If you think Hitler has more in common with Ron Paul than with Obama, you are truly delusional.

      • 45caliber

        mikeles:

        Well, let’s see. He used public money to take over GM and turned ownership of it over to the “people” (the unions). That is certainly Communism at its finest. He pushed through the idea of “free” medical care – again a socialist move that takes over all the medical field. As part of it, he wishes to set the pay of all medical personnel – which is also Communist since it is government setting the pay.

        I could go on … and on but there is no need.

    • NC

      Linda,what made this country great? Was it making sure we never got bigger than the wooden buildings of swampy 1800s Washington DC so we could always have a “small Federal government.”?Or was it making sure we reached the point that our Federal government was capable of sending people to the moon and developing the most sophisicated military in the history of man not only to protect us but free others from dictators? When should the Federal government have stopped ‘growing” to make sure we never had that capability??? Only small minds can’t handle “big” government’

      We have over 300 million people to govern and any way you do it is “big”! Where were all of these problems when Slick Willy was president??
      Every Democrat President since FDR has been accused of wanting to lead us to a socialist state as you accuse Obama! Not only were they accused but the right wing promised that to elect them would ruin our free market society. You might want to see “Presidents and Prosperity” at Forbes.com for the fallicy of that big lie!
      Every Democrat President has been “the end of America as we know it” according to the fear mongering right wing and their sheep! Want to see how big that lie is? Go to “Bulls, bears, donkeys and elephants” and tell me how that fits into the right wing argument that Democrats are socialist who wil ruin our economy! The wing nuts should be so good at “ruining” our economy! THE STOCK MARKET LOVES THE DEMOCRATS!! I DIDN’T INVENT THAT SAYING BUT I SURE AGREE WITH IT!! DON’T YOU?

      • cawmun cents

        So you think that winguts are for sale at more expensive prices than wild hickory nuts?
        Better check your apps.
        Wild Hickory Nuts are a part of the diet that you turn into fecal matter inside you.Then the only requirement is to produce a candy coating to make it palatable to those whom you intend to feed it to.
        Hence when I am called a wingnut by a wild hickory nut,I will thank him for it.His fecal slip is showin’ and yet he journeys into public with his mask on trying to identify with every debasement of society that he can.The fact that his face grows to fit the mask never occurs to him,so he wears it just like he wears his heart,on his sleeve.
        He has”FEELINGS”for his fellow wild hickory nuts,so he defines his moral fiber through that tenant,which is apparently okay for him to force by taxation out of thhose who dont wish to reciprocate thusly to the wild hickory nuts.Some believe that the wild hickory nuts will take care of their own,but instead they have to basically steal from the wingnuts to do it.Is that arrogance?Probably.
        But what do I know?
        Apparently very little……
        -CC.

      • kkflash

        Only a fool, devoid of understanding of the principles upon which this nation was founded, would think that government growth is what made this country great. Out of control government is the scourge that led to the American revolution and the establishment of this republic. It was the courage to suppress tyrannical over-reaching government that made this country great. It was the desire to reach higher than man had ever done before that led us to the moon. Government only made attaining that height more expensive. And it was our misguided attempts to “free others” by enslaving them to the US war machine that is in large part responsible for our fiscal crisis.

  • Wildcat@D-Town, PA

    I was too well to watch and listen to our man-child liar-in-chief put on his show of deception scheduled as the SOU address. His handlers are relatively slick at manipulating concepts and facts by twisting and spinning to appear to support his fundatmentally flawed view of capitalism in order to keep pushing his failed concept of socialism. His green energy fat cats that received huge amounts of stimulus money continue to fail at record rates. Michele Malkin does an excellent job of investigating and then exposing Obama’s culture of corruption.

  • Sandra

    Obama’s campaign slogan since his unfortunate election is: “DIVIDE AND CONQUER WHILE I CONTINUE TO LIVE AT THE TOP OF THE 1%.” An unqualified puppet president living the high life off of the taxpayers and tripling our debt since his election. America is being used and abused by this imposter.

    • 45caliber

      Sadly, you are right. And most of his friends are in that 1% too. Unfortunately, I am not in that 1% – but I still do not support Oblama. I am unhappy at being included in the part that does not work, collects government (taxpayer) money so they don’t have to work, and who insist I should give them more of the money I make.

    • Koko48

      Every state should call back their elected officials and damand that they repeal or toss out the NDAA act that is going to do great injustices to the people of the U.S.A. It sounds like Marshall Law. People could be arrested on a whim, for no reason, not allowed representation, or a judge. Demand their resignation if they cannot get rid of that law. Notice how they passed it on New Year’s Eve when no one was looking. Slimey congress, that’s what I say…and treasonous!

      • Raggs

        You should know that New Jersey is pushing a “new” law that outlaws hand gun ammunition. By definition the law states that ANY ammunition that can be used in a hand gun in which reflects calibers of the same in rifles that can be used to load a hand gun bullet. Muzzleloaders, BB / pellet guns…. Pretty much a complete ban on the 2nd admendment.

  • bill

    Mr.John Myers is right as rain.The only talent Mr.Obama has,is his ability to spread hate,discontent and division in perfect Saul Alinsky fashion.

  • speedle

    This is a well considered piece by John Myers. It is interesting that he notes it may take a revolt on the part of the “Democrats” to stop Obama. I think that translates to the mystical “blue dogs”. The last time this happened was in 1980 when many dems crossed over and voted for Reagan. We have to hope the same thing happens again in November.

    This is why we need all hands on deck in November (including Ron, Newt and Rick supporters) if we are going to get rid of this plague. Romney may not be the conservative we want, but he can and will stop this bus that is headed down the road to hell.

  • Todd

    Do any of you know how Romney made his money? He bought out companies, used the equity of that company they took over to finance the buy out, laid everyone off, took a huge payout of dividends then bankrupt the company and never pay the bank back that financed the takeover. He is responsible for puting thousands of workers on the streets while he took a hefty payout without paying any taxes on the dividends he made while destroying the companies he took over. And you say this is class warfare? This is war. The rich had 8% of the wealth when W was elected. After his two terms they have 18% of the wealth. Yes Virginia, they are screwing us.

    Nice guy. And you say there is a

  • jopa

    Speedle;Well at least the bus is back on the road again.It was way in the ditch when Obama took the wheel and drove it out.Anyone can see the economy is picking up and the job picture has improved with a long way to go.Then some go on to say Obama is a divider not a uniter.These folks like to recite poetry that doesn’t make any sense but it probably makes them smile, so that’s OK.He is for the 99% that is the moral majority.A divider would shoot for 50-50.Take my word for it Publishers Clearing House is not going to come knocking on your door and you will be a 99%er into your retirement.Just hope the Republicans don’t get a hold of your SS and Medicare when you need it.

    • 45caliber

      jopa:

      The only problem is that he didn’t get the bus back on the road. Instead, he’s ended up in some corn field somewhere, stuck in the mud, and hasn’t a clue as to where the road might even be.

    • JeffH

      CBO: Obama’s Policies To Increase National Debt 47 Percent
      To $21.7 Trillion By 2022

      Gotta luv how “99%” has become the popular “new” talking point for the liberals.

      Like Ron White said…it can’t be fixed…it’s forever!

  • mikeles

    Hi Dagney, If I’m not mistaken part of the dictionary definition of “Liberal” is “Open to new ideas”. In the same dictionary part f the difinition of “Conservative” is “Clings to the status quo and resists change”.

    • John

      A very fitting definition of conservatism I have seen goes something like that,
      Definition of conservative: People who live in the past and are afraid of the present, progress, future and change.

      • Dagney

        Judging by how childish Liberals are, I think most people would agree that they are the ones living in the past….their childhoods! LOL. Progressives, which are part of the Liberal catagory, are Troglydytes….just see Obama’s blame of ATM’s as part of the reason of the Great Recession instead of the reality of Progressive/Marxist/Liberal/Communist policies.

        • John

          That may be, but that does not alter the facts that this also is true for conservatives…. The reason this country is in decline is because of the division we have permitted to take place left vs right, you blaming Obama, others blaming Bush others go even farther back…but mostly the blame goes along party lines… and we all forget one thing… the blame is with all Bush and Obama, right and left and center, we all have permitted this country to get to this point… by letting them put labels on us and divide us… NOBODY wants to work together to fix the situation… and there is no doubt in my mind that it is fixable… but NOT as long as we permit our self to be divided and point fingers.

          • Dagney

            Nope, I don’t blame just Obama, I blame all Marxists/Communists/Liberals. Bush was definitely not perfect, but one thing I’m sure of, he was doing what he thought was right for the country because he loved the country. Obama? Not so much. It’s all about him, his hate for this country and its founding, and enriching himself and his radical friends.

            As far as working together goes, that only means that people on the right CAVES to what the left wants. THEY ARE DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY! There is no compromise between right and wrong. THEY ARE WRONG. They must be DEFEATED. If you do not realize this is war, this country will be gone before you even realize it.

        • mikeles

          “The ‘Great Recession’ happened on President Bush’s watch. Are you saying that he is a liberal/progressive/communist/socialist, Dagney?

  • justme

    Hey Flashy,
    Have you honestly NOT seen the video of Sen. Levin explaining that Obama DEMANDED the wording of NDAA INCLUDE American citizens?
    Have you also missed the Enemy Expatriation Act that came out about a week after Obama signed NDAA?
    I am curious though; why do you continue to stand up for him?

  • Karolyn

    What really ticks me off is the amount of money being wasted on these campaigns. Millions of dollars that could be better spent feeding children but instead is spent on TV ads and glossy mailers that most people turn off and throw away. It’s a very sad statement about politics in this country.

    • Dagney

      It’s none of your damn business how other people spend their money! Get over it, commie!

      • Raggs

        Dagney… Thank you… :)

      • Karolyn

        Oh, so you support the candidates being elected by how much money the PACs can spend?

        • JeffH

          Karolyn, this response of yours is a typical liberal response(aka-eddie, flashy, Robert Smith denisso etc,etc)…a presumptious one at that…she didn’t even infer what you asked

        • Raggs

          Ya know karo… I don’t give a squirrels nut who is paid off as long as we are out of this reign, and I really don’t give two craps who takes his throne as long as I have the right to piss on his head.

    • Tom W.

      And just how much money has your hero raised for his re-election Karlolyn?!! How many starving Kenyan and Sudanese children could that 1Bil feed?!! But I guess that’s a different story isn’t it, you hypocritical wind-bag you?!!

  • jay Lindberg

    Spoken like a true oilman.

  • T.E.

    Wait till the mandate comes out that we all have to fill our 401s up with worthless treasury bills to keep the ponzy goin- sorry To keep your tax deferrment status…

  • http://Yahoo MICHAEL J MCDOWELL

    All I know is cant stand this guy !

  • Raggs

    Boy this article brought out all of these liberal communist punk’s didn’t it. I guess that they are trying to defend their punk daddy king oblama.

    • http://n/a Scrappy

      Raggs: Hang in there, they will soon tire and go back to Newser.

  • Chris

    People:!!! Arguing over Democrat vs Republicans is a waste of time. Whoever is pulling the strings, controls both parties.Some of BOTH voted for the NDAA and the Expatriation Act, or neither bill

    could have passed. I hope that everyone who reads this is smart enough to look up the facts about these 2 laws.The U.S. Constitution has now been rendered completely useless by these 2 laws,

    and most citizens are too ignorant to understand or care!Every member who voted for those acts should be tried for treason! Obama just proved they are all tyrants when he signed those bills into

    law.Until we have an election process that cannot be won by budget, The government will continue to be corrupt, and Of – By – and For – the Wealthy.

    • kkflash

      Chris, I think you’re starting to get it. The corrupt power-mongers are there on both sides of the aisle. They’re simply distracting us with the question of who pays and who receives, while both parties trash the Constitution, rob us of personal liberty, and grab more and more power for the centralized government. We need to de-centralize government and return power to citizens that aren’t politicians. Remember, the farther you are from the seat of power, the less control you have over it.

  • http://personalliberty Dean Brandt

    This 99% thing is delusional! Even the poorest in America have cable a car,air conditioning and food. The middle class have beautiful homes all over this country. We live a great life in this country. and people constantly move from poor to middle class to rich. The big joke is the dems start class warfare not to tax the rich…everyone knows it is the middle class where huge amounts of money can be obtained and that is Obama’s ultimate target.

    • Karolyn

      Dean – “Even the poorest in America have cable a car,air conditioning and food.”

      Not true! It does not appear that you know what “poorest” means. Try living in a state with a high level of poverty.

      • Raggs

        Yeah we can thank punk daddy king oblama for that.

      • 45caliber

        Karolyn:

        Try living in a COUNTRY with a high level of poverty – such as Bangladesh. Then compare the way the poor live there to the way the poor live here. The poor here are generally more wealthy than the rich in other countries. Many get more in one Welfare check than the poor of other countries get in a year. And many here live that way because they choose to live that way.

        I’ve had relatives tell me that I’m a fool to work for a living. They can go fishing whenever they want while I have to obey someone’s orders for five days a week. And they can do it because the government takes my money (as taxes) to give to them. So I should quit and do the same thing.

        • Raggs

          Karo just wants you to shut up and keep the king in his palace.
          Afterall as long as the king is in the palace everything is for free.

          • Karolyn

            Raggs – You don’t know what you’re talking about. I would rather see Ron Paul as President; however, I will not vote for Romney or Gingrich. I see no one as “king.” You would do well to read what I said. The really poor (“poorest”) in this country have nothing, and they are everywhere; and many of them are not eligible for much government help – generally just SNAP (Food Stamps).

          • Raggs

            Karo.. then it is time for oblama to go…
            He is more of a failure than peanut carter ever dreamed of being..
            carter could only have wished that he was as big of a mistake to this country as oblama is being and if he had the other four years he would have been worse… But then that would have been in the past, but yeah we know that we are not living in the past but we will soon be if things keep going this way… As far as the needy go, I don’t understand that how you can crush ( via regulation ) such an impact on the welfare of this country and expect a good outcome. Tell me how you do that…
            How do you want more government control to “FIX” things… There is just too much government… The welfare system in this country should work well but when we have lifetime politicans in office they get greedy… And make no mistake I want them gone or dead…. They have stole from us and it is time that they pay back… Everyone here bitches about the “rich” getting richer well hell no wonder they are all bought and paid by my sweat… So don’t bitch at me solve the problem.

          • Deerinwater

            I’m with you Karolyn, Newt and Mitt, is completely out of the question for too many reasons to list as time restricts.

            As far as Ron Paul, I need details on how he plans to implement these changes he speaks of and what kind of time frame is he looking at to attempt it? His proposed plans will displace people and “things”. You can’t assume “change” will magically improve things and everyone be the better for it.

            Getting the Fed out of States business could be seen as a good thing, but if you have states like Arizona, where high placed people in government taking graft or have a vested interest in privately owned and operated prison facilities and paid state money by the day and head count. A person could easily go to prison for nothing and never get out.

            The truth is , here is America, too much of that kind of activity already goes on as it stands today. The good ole boy system works for the good ole boys and it does not work for everybody. If you can’t summons outside help beyond the local level , you are screwed.

            I speak on such matters from my personal experience here in the US and in Mexico. There is some difference between the US and Mexico.

            In Mexico, justice cost a lot less “IF” you are given the chance to buy it. But in America, justice and fairness is very expensive even if you are innocent, you only need to be found “compromised” and you are always given the chance to buy it.

            You know of our Governor here , Dick Perry , how would like to go up against a system ran with less bright men?

            I personally like knowing, if matters get impossible, you can take things to a higher level. All levels of government are capable of “over reaching” , gives more power the states would be no different, as we have see what Governor Brewer attempt to do. Willing to step on peoples Constitutional right in the name of defending Constructional rights.

            America is full of small city’s, towns, township, and in many cases, they are ran much like Judge Roy Bean ran his township west of the Pecos. Anyway they want to run it.

            For many years, as my father raised 4 boys, we had our brushes with the law. Nothing serious, most of the time. But Father had a Judge he’d befriended down life’s highway. A deal was reached, agreed on and honored before we appeared before him. It wasn’t a sweet deal, but it wasn’t an impossible deal either. Firm but Just.

            I was setting in court one day, waiting my turn to go before the judge as this accused young prostitute was brought before him.

            She was from California and been in town awhile. The judge told her, Fort Worth has it’s own prostitutes and really don’t need any California prostitutes for the local girls to compete with and that the court was buying her a bus ticket to California and a officer of the court would escort her to that bus and see that she got on it and left town and for her not to ever come before him again.

            and that the way, things are done, anyway they see fit , in the name of justice.

            But you get a judge that is receiving kickbacks and a little greedy, you could go to jail for a very long time. These private lock-ups greatly concern me. All this talk about privatizing may sound good, but there is some serious down side to them.

            Money corrupts. Not everything in life is best left to profit motivation. According to a doctors oath, Health Care shouldn’t be.

            As I read about these “Oath Keepers” I feel compelled to ask, does that oath apply as well?

        • libertytrain

          I agree with you 45 – Just had a discussion with my son on this and we agreed. The best time to be “poor” in the United States history is now. Being poor in Bangladesh is another story.

        • Karolyn

          He mentioned “the poorest”. Well, the poorest I have seen live either on the street or in shacks and their ranks have increased. There are people in Appalachia who still don’t have indoor plumbing and in the winter have no heat. One of my favorite charities helps those people via building bathrooms, providing educational opportunities, heating units, etc. Of course, I’m aware of those who use the system; there are plenty of them; however, they are really NOT the poorest.

          As an aside, I was appalled when a woman I work with told me that people “buy” children to use on their Income Tax Returns to use as dependents. They pay others who don’t work to use their kids’ SS numbers. I’ve heard of scams, but this is the first I heard of this one.

          • 45caliber

            I grew up in a house with no plumbing or water. We finally ran a pipe from a spring about a quarter of a mile away to get water. It isn’t that bad a situation. I’ve lived in a slab house too. A slab is the outside of a log with the bark. The house frame was put up and then the slabs were nailed on the outside. We used cardboard to seal the inside. The only heat we had was from a wood cook stove. We cut all our wood with an axe although once in awhile someone with a saw would cut down a tree for us. So don’t get all excited about the poor living conditions and them being “poor”. It is still far better than what they have elsewhere in the world.

          • Raggs

            Don’t bitch about it… Do something…
            The political norm is to blame someone else and frankly I’m sick of that excuse.

          • libertytrain

            Remember Karolyn, you may be appalled but they may not be. If this is the way you live and you’re smart enough to be unencumbered by cellphones and cable TV or even TV – more power to you. I envy their freedom from this over materialistic world. There are people that pay money to rough it…..just to know the experience.

  • Raggs
    • Chris

      More Idiots at work: I will never understand why lawmakers think they can pass a law to cure everything? Yet I never hear of any lawmakers trying to pass laws to protect, or expand freedom. Since the writing of the constituion there have been thousands more laws to take away freedom, than there have been to protect it.

  • jfbtx

    I agree with much of the article. This is an old tactic used by most of the most notable evils in 20th century. Hitler used similar tactics and most of the dictators of the world have used this over the last 100 years to seize control and divide a nation. It was used quite effectively in Cuban by Castro to seize power. It was used this spring in Egypt, we have used it as a country to overthrown other governments. Divide the masses, have the lower class wage war on the upper and middle class and bring the entire country down, so that you can step in and seize power. In this case, Obama may be planning to have this uprising so that he can impose restriction on people’s movements and if needed close to the election when it would appear that he will loose other unrest will break out, which will allow him to appear to be the calming and controlling figure needed to maintain our orderly society. There is a problem with the entire thing; Obama wants to blame anyone other than taking responsibility for his action for the collapse of America. The fact of the matter is more people are poor today because of the action of the Obama administration. We should not let up until people fully grasp that.

  • amwa

    In your poll you might learn to spell the Presidents name. I guess you must be owned by murdoch. What hogwash you print.

  • amwa

    Barack Obama 2012. Barack Obama 2012. Barack Obama 2012. Barack Ob ama 2012.

    • Thomas B

      yes you got that right, he will be broken before the election.

  • Thomas B

    obama is hitler with a tan and no mustache. He’ll have to be stopped no matter what it takes, and I sincerely do believe our nation is still a nation under God which will get rid of him. He is a total fraud and people are seeing this now. Perhaps it will take an act of God, burt I do believe he will not be here for another term. When he’s gone it will be surprising how fast the stench and garbage will disappear.

  • JeffH

    CBO: Obama’s Policies To Increase National Debt 47 Percent
    To $21.7 Trillion By 2022

    I believe Sen. Marco Rubio has called it like it is. “you feel the failure of his leadership every single day of your life.”

    “The president is on the verge of committing economic malpractice,” Rubio said after the president’s address to a joint session of Congress.

    “How does raising taxes create jobs? How does raising my boss’s taxes help me keep my job? Why is he advocating policies that will punish people that are investing in American businesses that are creating middle class jobs?” Rubio asked.

    “This president didn’t talk about his record for one simple reason; he doesn’t want you to know about it,” Rubio said, referring to President Barack Obama’s address to Congress Tuesday. “But you do know about it, because you feel the failure of his leadership every single day of your life.”

    “He tells Americans worried about their jobs that the way to help them is to raise their bosses’ taxes, Rubio said. “He tells those who are hurting that the only way they can be better off, is for others to be worse off. He tells all of us that the only way for some of us to climb up the economic ladder is for others to be pulled down.”

    “This divisive rhetoric, this effort to gain political support by convincing some that they will be better off if we punish others, this stuff has never worked anywhere it’s been tried,” Rubio added.

    “No economic system is perfect,” Rubio said. “But the American free enterprise system has empowered millions of people in the past. I know, because I saw it with my own eyes. My father was a bartender. And I thank God every night that there was someone willing to risk their money to build a hotel on Miami Beach and later in Las Vegas where he could work.”
    http://reddogreport.com/2012/01/rubio-rebuts-obamas-state-of-the-union-address/

  • Bob Jeffrey

    If we are going to quote Shakespear, perhaps we ought to consider the Republican candidates: “It is a tale told by an idiot, full of the sound and fury, signifying nothing”

    • Vigilant

      And if you’re going to quote Shakespeare, you might want to take the time to spell his name correctly.

  • Dixie Suzan

    There’s daggers in Obama’s smile, for he who possesses the Presidency possesses the Constitution. For one tyrant, there are a thousand ready slaves.

    “If they speak more or less than truth, they are villains”
    Part 1; Henry IV; Act 2, Scene 4

    “Stubbornly he did repugn the truth About a certain question in the law”
    Part 1; Henry VI; Act 4, Scene 1

    “I am richer than my base accusers, That never knew what truth meant”
    Henry VIII; Act 2, Scene 1

    “What, can the devil speak true?” – Shakespeare; Macbeth; Act 1, Scene 3

    “Thieves for their robbery have authority, when judges steal themselves.”
    (Shakespeare. Measure for Measure (Angelo), Act II., Sc. II.)

  • Raggs

    The end game is the gaming of the sheeple….

    • FreedomFighter

      25% Of Marines Would Shoot Americans, 100% Of Oath Keepers Would Shoot Them Back

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f8oWVZ3Qwg&feature=related

      Get ready America, they are coming for your guns, Freedom, Liberty, Country, your family and your life

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Raggs

        First off I would say that we all know that king oblama had every intention of lying during “his” ceremony ( which I consider a falsification )to uphold the USA constitution. This we all find to be of the upmost disturbance to this country. He has done nothing at all but to use his “power” to block / punt and to go around the legal obligations that he sworn to uphold… I may be singing to the “chior”… I am ALL in to protect the service of our men and our women that have risked and given their lives to stand for our countries freedom…. ( it is too bad that king oblama does not feel the same )… He is a disgrace to this country afterall.
        The meat of this is that no matter what king oblama cannot have a second term!
        The USA cannot survive a marxist administration as such…
        He has to go!
        Let’s rid this country of this evil, so how do I join the oath?

        • JeffH

          Raggs

          The Oathkeepers
          http://oathkeepers.org/oath/join/

          • Raggs

            Got it thanks… i will do….

          • JeffH

            Raggs, I felt they were worth the money to join and a very well informed group…not some crazy militia as some have portrayed, just very loyal to the oath that they took when they joined the military and law enforcement.

        • mikeles

          Hey Raggs, President Obama has closed down the unjust war in Iraq and his SecDef has announced only today that the war in Afghanistan will be drawn down about a year earlier than predicted. Ask a warrior if they would rather stay in Afghanistan another year or come home earlier, and may not have to have another tour to that hell hole. I wonder if you complained about President Bush when he committed our military to Iraq when Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. I wonder if you complained about the crash of our economy when President Bush was still in office. I wonder if you complained about the UNfunded drug program initiated by President Bush. If you did not complain about those things then I would have to conclude that you suffer from acute hypocrisy.

  • David

    “The mischief springs from the power which the monied interest derives from a paper currency which they are able to control, from the multitude of corporations with exclusive privileges which they have succeeded in obtaining…and unless you become more watchful in your states and check this spirit of monopoly and thirst for exclusive privileges you will in the end find that the most important powers of government have been given or bartered away….”
    ― Andrew Jackson

    2003 Warning by Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
    of massive deficits over the next decade and beyond if
    corporate taxes and temporary income tax cuts are extended.

    http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1311
    http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1321

    And it appears they were spot on !
    And it also appears we STILL aren’t listening.
    And many of us still don’t get it……

  • William 1

    Johnny Apple seed produced something for America other than entitlements and would turn over in his grave to hear he’s being compared to Obama and the Liberal Socialist establishment!

    • Deerinwater

      There’s been a seed of descent broadcasted for sure, John Mayer has done his share. Compared to 43′s administration, when I felt like hiding my head in disgust and disappointment, Obama is a welcome change.

      • kkflash

        Did you mean “seed of dissent”? If so, you’re right. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a vehement discussion on this site.
        If you really meant “descent”, then you must be referring to the government-led economic collapse under Obama.

      • Vigilant

        Deerinheadlights/Bob wire says, “There’s been a seed of descent broadcasted for sure, John Mayer has done his share. Compared to 43′s administration, when I felt like hiding my head in disgust and disappointment, Obama is a welcome change.”

        Did you mean “decent?” If so, Fox News thanks you for the compliment.

        And who the Hell is John Mayer?

    • mikeles

      William 1, can you list for us the Marxist programs instituted by President Obama? Were these Marxist policies passed by the Congress before they came to his desk for signature? Were any of them passed in the Republican led House of Representatives? If they came out of the Senate then the Republicans must not have been able to force cloture there. How did that happen. If you are saying that President Obama did all of this Marxist stuff you say he did, then he did it with the blessing of the Republican Party since he can have no law to sign unless it is sent to him from Congress and the Republicans have had control of the House of Representatives for the last year. Or are you saying that he did it by Executive Order? If he did it that way, then you MUST be able to list these Orders and when they were signed.

  • Raggs

    So … I would like to know this…

    How many of you fell for the “new” recent shiney PLANTED bomb “snare” by the TSA?

    I would have said “scare” but that would only apply to the dumb and the missguided… So what is it? A fake bomb to let you know that even though you spent your money for a ticket you are at risk for someone bringing onboard a rubber chicken… I figure that by next year all passengers will be required to fly in the nude, prehaps even sitting on their hands Yikes the smell..
    They have to make a point boys and gurls, you can’t live without them.
    You have to have a grown-up sitter 24/7… For your security you need a new law stating that you have no rights other than those that are granted to you by the government ( if you are a good little boy )… So what will be the NEXT crisis that they produce in order to confirm me?

    • Deerinwater

      I guess I missed it, did it make a big noise?

      • Raggs

        I can understand that you were too busy in the basement.

  • Joe_Ks

    “We can either settle for a country where a shrinking number of people do really well, while a growing number of Americans barely get by.” ~ Barack Obama.

    If Obama really believed that, he’d get the hell out of office right now, since his socialistic, big government, huge national debt and liberal policies in general are the primary cause of the lack of opportunity that makes is all but impossible to succeed in America the average American. If he really believed the crap he spews to suck up the gimmie gimmie gimmie vote, he’d vote for Ron Paul or Newt Gingrich himself and sing praises to Sarah Palin.

    The man is as phony as as they come, but, being a phony pays of pretty good these days if you can really excel at it. Don’t believe it? Ask Al Gore.

    • Deerinwater

      A KooK calling someone a phony, really get my attention.

      Vote your vote Joe, ~we didn’t need it last time and won’t need it this time.

      • Raggs

        Good come back deer in the headlight….

      • Raggs

        I hope that someday I can grow up and be as smart as you, but I probably will need to get out of the house once in a while…

        • Deerinwater

          Hm? ~ I left at 8.30am and didn’t return 5;15 , hire two new men, started a 7 day office tear-out and face life to two floor of a three floor office building. Dropped by the rent house and picked up the rent. Checked on my chicken, ( girl friend and family ),made my second posting of the day and Browse though the news, If a 64 years old man can do it, you can too Raggs.

          You need to get out around the people, subject yourself to the discomfort of placing other people business ahead of you own. it’s good for you, puts money in your pocket and food on your table.

          Mitt Romney, sure put his foot in his mouth today! Unscripted he is a very poor public speaker! This man has had a LOT of help getting to where he is today, there is no way he’s bright enough to have made it by his mental ability or with just hard work.

          You guys are really in a pickle with your political ambitions today. Mitt must be professional “Handled” and fed script and talking points. Newt the retired pantie sniffer, tared & feathers speaker of the House, hatchet man, Historian/Lobbyist,Author, or Ron Paul, that seems way to happy to be in 3rd place. Hmmm?

          Maybe Newt & Mitt will destroy each other and Ron will just mark time and let it happen without lifting a hand. No need to interfere when the enemy is destroying itself.

          American Airlines is dropping 13000 jobs in the coming months with plans to stiff those up for retirement some 50%. OUCH!

          Tomorrow starts early, nite Raggs

        • Deerinwater

          And I’m not smart, but I wished I was, I make up for being slow, I just show up a lot of places and challenge the day and embrace the notion that “NOW” is the only time that exist. Live your “NOWs”, your past is made of them.

          • JeffH

            “And I’m not smart”…talk about stating the obvious…but you think you are…

          • Tom W.

            Preach brother Deer, preach!!! You know, I’ve heard that philosophy somewhere before,… Oh yeah, I know;

            Matt. 6:28-34 (KJV)
            “Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.”

            Deer, I’m impressed!!!

          • Deerinwater

            When you hang around with a bunch of turkeys it’s understandable to mistaken for one Jeff, that’s the price I pay.

            Jesus had much the same problem in him day when he preached among the sinners. The less bright failing to understand his presences. Thinking that God was only for the Godly I suppose.

            Your display of judgement, anger and conviction has not impressed me that much either Jeff. The truth is, I don’t mind and it don’t matter. Anyone that has to go around trying to elevating themselves by putting people down couldn’t have much on the ball or much going for them.

            That’s is much what this angry site seems to be about. Feeling of rejection, disappointment, disenfranchisement, fears and assigning blame, a people seek out some victory in their misery and defeat.

            You want to take the current administration down if it means taking the whole world down with you, as misery has always loved company.

            Well, enjoy your misery Jeff,Angelmighthavebeen,DavidH,Time,45,Raggs, ~ Space cadet Tom( you are just having way too much fun here)

            Here in the real world,
            it’s not easy at all

            To a heart that’s been broken
            It’s real tears that fall

            Darling, it’s sad but true
            but there one thing I’ve learned from you

            The boy don’t always get the girl
            here in the real world.

            So Jeff, we are always in need of another good country song, can you sing us one?

            I gotta roll out, try to have a great day. And remember, You have been given today, don’t waste it.

          • Tom W.

            Oh quit your whining DeerI’vegotitsorough!!! I personally don’t want to hear your BS! Were you comparing yourself to the Master there blasphemer?!! You are so full of yourself, it’s flat out nauseating!!!
            I’ve seen days I don’t believe you could handle Deer! But yes I keep a smile on my face, because if I couldn’t laugh at pompous egotistical a$$holes like yourself, the fight would be over!!!

            2 Timothy 3:12 (KJV)
            “Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.”

    • mikeles

      Joe_KS, what socialistic big government are you talkinga about? The Republican Party has had control of the House of Representatives for all of 2011 and the cloture rule has been in place in the Senate since…2003? If President Obama has instituted a “socialistic” government since he has been in office then he did it with the very direct help of the Republican Party.

  • Raggs

    Once this freak is out of the white house there is going to be term limits for all of those other worthless son of a bitches.

    • Raggs

      It is time for America to take back our country from these thugs.. Yeah .. With nothing less than prison for eric holder for life.
      nancy pelosi with reid in the pen… we have to go after these corrupt basturds and put them in jail. Or sit back and drink the kool-non-aid.

    • mikeles

      Raggs, there are term limits. They are called elections. We are the ones that keep sending them back. I have heard a rumor that all of us believe that everybody elses reps are awful and “mine” is just fine. Maybe you should change the way you vote, and then we would see the term limits work.

      • Seek Wisdom

        Mikeles,it sounds alot like many posters here don’t believe in the constitution,or in freedom to vote one’s conscience.

  • kkflash

    Hey Bob Livingston! Are you still online? Why is my song lyric still awaiting moderation? It makes a point pertinent to the article. Is it because I used a trashy colloquialism for “feces”? Sorry man, but that’s the common expression. You can substitute “poop” if it will help not to offend your sensibilities.

    • libertytrain

      well kiddo, how many times does he or any of us have to remind you things with unsuitable words, whether you like it or not, automatically, with no human involved, get sent to “moderation and will wait till someone has time to get to those comments” – so be patient and perhaps sometime a human will look at it.. probably during normal working hours… :) you chose to use a word that is not acceptable on this site. You should have just substituted it yourself… and saved yourself the aggravation.

      • Deerinwater

        kkflash , try posting on the BBC and see how ridged posting policy can actually be.

        • libertytrain

          Deerbob – In person, I have been known to be a potty mouth. However it is wonderfully refreshing to spend time on a site that doesn’t encourage extreme potty mouth….and it keeps me in check – nice to not always be uncouth…

      • JeffH

        :) I do appreciate your level headedness and your common sense. You are a diamond amongst stones. :)

        • JeffH

          …was meant for libertytrain…

          • libertytrain

            I’m blushing…

          • Deerinwater

            yes, he is at times. There are several such men and women here attempting to offer balance and rudder here, attempting to restore some sensuality from absurd insanity in their own special way. I enjoy Vicki, Jay and DaveH at times and even Time occasionally. An others in fail to mention. I enjoy a constant as you can use them as reference points while agreement not required.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear kkflash,

      It contains no redeeming qualities as posted and I don’t care to waste time cleaning it up.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • kkflash

        Your opinion, your site, your choice. I’ve seen a lot worse posted here, though. BTW, I won’t be renewing my subscription to Independent Living. My money, my choice. Adios.

        • libertytrain

          your choice, I have no idea what “Independent Living” is but have at it.

  • Seek Wisdom

    I never cease to be amazed by all the whiners posting here. Where were these whiners when ‘dubya ramrodded the Iraqi invasion down the countries’throat?

  • David

    I guess this sites moderator didn’t like what I had to say.
    Or maybe they didn’t like the fact I provided links to back up what I had to say. So I will try posting w/out the links to see if that was the issue.
    Otherwise I’ll just go find another site where people are a little more open mided and are willing to discuss the issue’s facing us.

    —-REPOST——

    Do we care that U.S. corporations have been posting record
    profits ever single quarter since October of 2009?

    Do we care that corporate taxes as a percentage of federal revenue
    have dropped from 30% more than 50 years ago to less than 10% today?

    Probably not huh.

    We should probably just allow them to donate unlimited amounts of cash to the candidate of their choice, and cut their tax rate to 18.5%seeing as that is what most of the top U.S. corporations are paying. ( or less ) Not the 35% that most of us are lead to believe they are required to pay.

    Maybe we should just put the entire tax burden on the people so that these corporations that are making record profits,and apparently don’t want to hire anyone won’t have to suffer.

    HECK….While we’re at it, why don’t we just give them the right to vote as well ?

    • libertytrain

      David, if you read this site with any regularity, any…. you would know how many times Mr. Livingston and/or us posters, have mentioned, when people get snippy as you have, that IF there is more than one link, it automatically – no human being involved – automatically is filtered into needs moderation. You make your own mistakes but blame others. Tiresome.

  • David

    —REPOST—

    “The mischief springs from the power which the monied interest derives from a paper currency which they are able to control, from the multitude of corporations with exclusive privileges which they have succeeded in obtaining…and unless you become more watchful in your states and check this spirit of monopoly and thirst for exclusive privileges you will in the end find that the most important powers of government have been given or bartered away….”
    ― Andrew Jackson

    ( LOOK IT UP )
    2003 Warning by Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
    of massive deficits over the next decade and beyond if
    corporate taxes and temporary income tax cuts are extended.

    And it appears they were spot on !
    And it also appears we STILL aren’t listening.
    And many of us still don’t get it……

  • Truth Or Fantasy?

    America is struggling to sustain an economic recovery while energy costs are rising and the budget deficit is in uncharted territory. And the Republicans keep qushing jobs bills sent to Congress. John Myers fails to mention this. But then this GOP boot licker Myers has done this before.

    • vicki

      Job bills? The only valid job bills would be the ones to drastically lower taxes. More money for people to hire hence more jobs. Had you ever run a business you would know that.

  • http://N/A Cinti.CB

    We NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED Ron Paul!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Kris

    January 20, 2013! Goodbye Barack Obama! Hope you enjoy going back to Chicago!

    • Deerinwater

      See now, hope is a good thing!

      • Seek Wisdom

        Hope is about all there can be had. If obama loses,it won’t be to the republican train wreck.

    • amwa

      Goodbye Mittens of to the Cayman Islands where you belong, where your money is and maybe they will make you king mittens.

    • amwa

      Goodbye Mittens, off to the Cayman Islands where his money is invested, since he believes so much in outsourcing American jobs he needs to go there.

  • http://yahoo scout

    Just when you thought it couldn’t get worse. The DOE will lend Tonopah Energy 737 million for a solar plant in Harry Reids state of Nevada. Together with Pacific corporate grp. Which is owned by Ron Pelosi. Nancy’s brother in law. You can’t make this stuff up. No wonder they want to control the internet. The hits just keep coming.

  • Chuckles

    Hey Mikeles, did you happen to notice that at that time, Obama had majorities in both houses????? Denniso, get your head out of your, uh, Sandbox!! FREEDOM FIGHTER! YOU GO GUY!!! WITCHA 100%

  • Chuckles

    JAY,

  • vigilante

    JAY, you need to get your head out of the orifice on your backside before you dream up some more boring falsehoods!!!

  • http://yahoo scout

    He is now in the campaign mode. I hope America can see the difference…

  • amwa

    Barack Obama 2012. We have seen what the right has to offer, I wonder what mittens will be doing after his 6 years of campaigning are over and he is still without a job, maybe move to the Cayman Islands to count his money, might as well move to where he has his money invested, and he calls himself an American, pull the other leg mitt.

  • tater roller

    Obama must go or we all will go by the way side as Americans, he believes and spews his collective salvation to our college kids and now they are giving classes in Chicago on how to ” Occupy Everything “, getting 3 credit hours for it. Where oh where is America headed ? If Obama gets back in, it will be the hardest fall for the very poor he is stirring up, with class warfare….. Pathetic…

  • amwa

    Barack Obama 2012. We do not need the HATE group, which the republicans are running on. 4 more years to a President who is getting us out of the republican debacle of 8 years of bush/cheney.

  • Raphael

    All I can say is that: If you want to know who you have for president I suggest you read “THE OBAMA NATION”by Dr.Jerome Corsi.

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