The White House Versus Some World War II Vets

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Government Shutdown Closes Locations on the National Mall in Washington

We’re finding out just how petty the Administration of President Barack Obama can be when it comes to making the government shutdown as painful as possible for as many people as possible. Just as we predicted, the answer is very petty indeed.

It seems the White House lackeys made a serious mistake, however, when they tried to keep some World War II veterans from visiting a memorial in their honor. Have you ever been to the National World War II Memorial? It’s an open plaza on the National Mall in Washington. And like most other monuments in the open air, it’s available to the public 24 hours a day. Or at least it used to be. Now, someone in the Obama Administration has decided to make it off limits.

The whole incredible saga began on Tuesday morning, when three busloads of World War II veterans showed up at the site. The trip had been arranged by Honor Flight Network, a wonderful charity that brings World War II vets to Washington to see the monument that was erected in their honor.

But when 91 veterans (ranging in age from 84 to 99) got off their bus, they found that barricades had been erected around the monument. Signs were posted that declared: “Because of the Federal Government SHUTDOWN, All National Parks Are CLOSED.”

In other words, someone ordered the National Park Service to work harder and spend more money to shut the memorial than it would have taken to simply leave it open. In the past, it was mostly unattended, but not now.

The barriers didn’t stop the veterans or the Congressmen who were there to welcome them. Representative Steve Palazzo (R-Miss.), who helped push aside the barricades, later said, “These men and women didn’t cower to the Japanese and Germans. I don’t think they’re about to let a few National Park Police stand in their way.”

The group was led into the memorial by a man playing bagpipes. A crowd of people who witnessed the event burst into applause.

The park police didn’t try to stop the veterans — at least not that time. One officer, who said he had to remain anonymous, told The Washington Post, “I’m not going to enforce the ‘no stopping or standing’ sign for a group of World War II veterans. I’m a veteran myself.”

The next day, park workers were ordered to erect additional fencing and station more patrolmen around the memorial. And guess what? Another group of elderly veterans moved the barricades and entered the memorial anyway.

There’s a photograph of one of them holding up a piece of the tape park police had placed around the barricades. The stern warning on the black and yellow tape, “POLICE LINE DO NOT CROSS,” didn’t stop these vets from paying tribute to their fallen brothers, who paid the ultimate price to defeat the armies of Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany.

That time, the veterans were applauded by a group of demonstrators waving flags and holding up signs supporting them. My favorite was the one that referenced Ronald Reagan’s demand when he stood next to the Berlin Wall three decades ago:

Protersters Rally outside of the World War II Memorial in Washington, D.C.

The Honor Flight visits to Washington are arranged many months ahead of time. And they’re expensive, costing an estimated $80,000 to $100,000 per group. Since Honor Flight of Northwest Ohio was scheduled to bring a group of World War II veterans to Washington next week, Lee Armstrong, the group’s president, called the National Park Service to ask about visiting the memorial. He was told that anyone crossing the barricades could face arrest.

Armstrong was dumbfounded. “I said, are you kidding me? You’re going to arrest a 90/91-year-old veteran from seeing his memorial? If it wasn’t for them, it wouldn’t be there.” The park service rep replied, “That’s correct, sir.”

So you see what happens when the White House decides to play hard ball. It’s probably going to get worse, the longer this contrived crisis continues. This is the first government shutdown in 17 years. The last one, back in 1995-1996, occurred when Bill Clinton was President and Newt Gingrich was Speaker of the House. It was the longest government shutdown this country had seen until then, lasting 21 days. I don’t think this one will last as long, but so far neither side is willing to blink.

In fact, they’re barely willing to talk. Obama did ask Congressional leaders to meet with him in the White House two days ago. According to reports, he made it clear there wouldn’t be any negotiations until the Republicans agreed to fund the government without any conditions. Oh, yeah, and they’ve also got to agree to raise the debt limit, again without conditions. Only after doing that will the Democrats agree to negotiate.

For “negotiate,” read “total Republican capitulation.”

Hey, that’s pretty much what the Democrats got back in 1996. Why should they expect anything different this time? After all, they control the Senate and the White House. And a compliant media is only too willing to echo Obama’s rhetoric, as he continues to refer to what’s happening as “the Republican shutdown.” Even TIME magazine’s Mark Halperin acknowledged that the Democrats’ strategy depends on the mainstream media blaming Republicans for the government shutdown.

Lost in all of the partisan rhetoric is the fact that the Republicans in the House have passed five resolutions to fund the government, and the Democrats in the Senate have rejected them all.

So what happens now? It looks like our dysfunctional government will continue to play chicken, at least for a while. Here’s how RedState editor Erick Erickson puts it:

Democrats keep talking about our refusal to compromise. They don’t realize our compromise is defunding Obamacare. We actually want to repeal it.

This is it. Our endgame is to leave the whole thing shut down until the President defunds Obamacare. And if he does not defund Obamacare, we leave the whole thing shut down.

So who’s going to blink first? Sad to say, I’m afraid it will once again be the Republicans. But maybe, just maybe, that will make a lot more Americans angry enough to bust some barricades themselves.

This shutdown is showing just how “non-essential” a lot of government really is. Especially if you’re a 91-year-old veteran trying to visit a memorial honoring your fallen comrades.

Will we actually learn anything from this latest confrontation? I’m not very optimistic. But what do you think?

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Personal Liberty

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • Jeremy Leochner

    First I think it is extremely disrespectful and just plain stupid to close our nations national parks and even more so to try and prevent Veterans from visiting a memorial commemorating them.

    That said if we are going to play the blame game I am sorry to tell you this Mr. Wood but this Government shutdown is the Republicans fault. They are the bad guys in this situation and I will tell you why. In 2009 the Affordable Healthcare Act aka Obamacare first took shape. There was months of discussion and debate and Congressional mudslinging and fear mongering and parliamentary tricks on both sides. Basically the bill that would become Obamacare went through the labyrinth that is the legislative process. The one so eloquently described by the Schoolhouse of Rock. Towards the end of this process Obama offered to speak with the leaders of the Congressional Republicans. They responded by calling it a Presidential trap and refusing to come. Eventually Obama was able to show them that he actually wanted to hear their ideas and they sat down and gave them. In the end the bill which many republicans disagreed with passed and the President signed into law. As the schoolhouse video would say at last that bill became a law. But it wasn’t done yet. First it was taken to the supreme court and voted on. In the end the highest court in the land responsible for deciding such matters declared Obamacare and its individual mandate constitutional. The final hurdle was the 2012 presidential election, seen by many as a referendum on the law itself. And in the end Obama pulled out a victory. And so after nearly 4 years. A congressional passing. A Presidential signing. A Supreme Court decision declaring it constitutional. And a Presidential election. After all this vetting the new law was ready for implementation having survived our Republican system and its vetting process for laws. But then just as the time came to implement the law the Republicans brought everything to a grinding halt. Ignoring the passage by Congress and its signing by the President. Ignoring the Supreme Courts and the Peoples Decision. Ignoring the results of the system which the Republicans so often celebrate as the greatest in the world. Ignoring all this the Republicans drew a line in the sand and declared that they would rather have the government shut down than accept the implementation of a law which had already passed and been accepted by the people and the courts. That brings us to today. Here’s the situation. The game is over and the Democrats and President Obama won. And the Republicans are refusing to accept that they lost. The bill has become a law and has gone through our countries system. The law is now to take effect. Its over. The time for debating and arguing is over. The time for compromising and discussing is over. The time for voting on this law is over. It has gotten enough votes and has been passed. Unfortunately the Republicans have decided to be stubborn about this even though its already to late. What I am saying is not a liberal diatribe. Nor is it Pro Democrat. This has nothing to do with personal politics. Its what has happened and what is happening. Democrats and Republicans are all childish I agree. But in this case the Democrats are just doing what mom and dad(The Supreme Court, President and American People) have told them. The Republicans are screaming and throwing a temper tantrum. If you want to stop the shutdown tell the Republicans to take their losses with maturity and realize that in a Republic sometimes laws that you disagree with get passed. And in this case the law has already passed. Its time to grow up and just deal with it. And remember that they can always try and reform or repeal it later. If its a fifth as bad as they claim it is then I am sure we will all realize it soon enough.

    • Roger Long

      Where I’m at it’s 2:00 am and I don’t feel like writing a book, but you need to educate yourself better. You’re completely wrong.

      • Oscar

        The republicans did not shut the government down. Obama did and harry Reid. Mainstream news run by the feds will promote the Obama in your face we will do to you what we what.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I understand Roger. But bear in mind the hurdles I laid out are indeed what Obamacare has gone through.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Jeremy aka Flashman aka rbrooks aka …. is probably one of these:
          http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52923

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Actually I am not Dave. Pointing out the mistakes and immaturity of the Republicans does not make me a Democrat or an Obama cyber warrior. It makes me a person with common sense.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            When are you going to start displaying it?

    • Double “D” Edd USN Ret.

      You seem to have conveniently omitted one very important fact concerning oBOMBacare. If this is a legitimate and all encompassing law, why is Congress, its aides, Muslims, Labor Unions, certain Big Businesses and an assortment of other groups EXEMPT from falling under the mandate of it???

      Oh yes, oBOMBa’s crew wrote the LAW for the COMMON people to be under it but not his family or select friends.

      • gayle55

        I am ashamed I voted for Obama , I am not dem or rep I vote for who I think is the better person to run this country (for the people), boy was I wrong

        • dan

          Ron Reagan once quipped that he was a recovering Democrat….and I’ll admit that I’m a recovering
          Republican (although I became one because of Goldwater…) but I found that patriotism and conservatism know no parties….and we’d better
          welcome the Liberatarian/Teaparty (not the one the GOP co-opted) , too.We all make mistakes …but we all don’t learn from them and try to correct them.

        • Average_Joe56

          Admitting your failures is the first step to recovery.
          Bravo, for taking that that first crucial step.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          So what are you expecting us to say? ‘Poor little her, she just made a mistake’.You helped foist O on the nation and no you did not think. It was not matter of just buying the wrong size of a shirt.

          • Average_Joe56

            At least gayle is doing something that no other liberal on this site has done in quite a while…admitting that she made a mistake. That in itself is cause for a celebration. It is a victory…every time another person wakes up from the slumber. Don’t be so hard on her…we don’t want to drive her back under that cloud of darkness from which she has emerged. Let’s instead help to enlighten her to the rest of the truth.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            I’ll wait to see how long her “conversion” lasts.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Average_Joe56, when a Republican crosses over/”converts” to Democrat, the Democrats can “smell” one of their own kind of wolf/ human predator in spite of wearing a sheep’s clothing while he was with the Republicans. If a Democrat crosses/”converts” over to the Republican side the Republicans do not check if he is not indeed a wolf/human predator and their sense of smell is not there and they take him to be a Republican to their detriment.

          • Karolyn

            Wow! You must have had a really tough life to be so cynical!

          • Bob666

            Yo Karolyn,
            Nads is our little ray of sunshine!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Average_Joe56, when a Republican crosses over/”converts” to being a Democrat they don’t check because they can “smell” that he is a wolf/human predator and one of their own even if he is wearing a sheepskin. When a Democrat supposedly crosses over/converts to being a Republican, they don’t check and they can’t smell whether he is actually a wolf/human predator and wearing a sheepskin.

          • Average_Joe56

            Nadaieja,
            I grew up in a Democrat state, in a 100% Democrat family. I was a Democrat, through and through…because that was how I was raised. I left the state and my family behind. I grew up, and sometime in my twenties, I woke up and started questioning my belief system. It didn’t take long for me to realize that I was wrong headed and needed to change my views based on what I knew to be fact rather than what I had been told. I would not have arrived at this point in my life without support from friends and like minded individuals throughout my learning experience. I am now openly Libertarian and considered to be the White (black) sheep of the family. Yay me!
            The key is…if we want to keep them…they need to be nurtured…not scorned. Give them the benefit of the doubt…until they prove otherwise.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Doudle D Edd. Congress already has government provided healthcare. And Muslims are not exempt. As for Labor Unions and certain big business I am sure Obama and his people cut a deal with their supporters to help them through it. The law does help the common people by preventing health insurance companies from denying coverage based on pre existing conditions. I would like to see a Republican proposal for dealing with that issue.

    • john Carney

      Good morning sir, you write well and provided your opinion very nicely. I respect your view on this matter. However I respectfully disagree with some of your points. Even though it passed and was signed into law and ruled constitutional, nobody still knew what was in it. I personally don’t know what’s in it and rely strictly on numerous mainstream news media and independent news sources. I really don’t believe any of them as the media is owned by hr Obama administration Example: there was no mainstream coverage of the bikers in D.C. Why? All I read on the right sided media is that th left is at fault and they get pretty nasty name calling etc. All I read on the Left is the same stuff toward the right. Quite frankly I don’t know who to believe. But then I speak with people who are adversely affected by ACA, and others who are getting a good deal. Here’s my 2 cents. Get everything running again, get the aca plan back on the table, take out all the non-medical service agenda. Take out all the exceptions/extensions everyone uses it even the 1st family. And the reintroduce it as a real socialized medical package for those who NEED or want it. The Government is taking away more rights and choices from us at an alarming rate. You stated that the Republicans would not accept that this is law after all the steps it went through. The Democrats do exactly the same thing on other issues in the past. DOMA for one people voted it was passed, and the ones who lost wouldn’t let it go until it was changed in their favor. By reading both parties sights and watching our elected officials acting like 5th graders ( no insult intender for the 5th graders or the officials) not name calling don’t know how else to describe them. This was once a great Nation respected and feared by the world. We were a leader in industry and technology. It just doesn’t seem that way anymore. Thanks for listening.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Thanks for your thoughtful response John. As to the act itself I know only a little of how its implemented. I also have to rely on the mainstream media. On that issue I disagree that it is owned by the Obama administration. I believe MSNBC has an undeniable liberal agenda and is certainly in Obama’s camp. But from everything I have seen of Fox News I know it can’t be for Obama. As for the rest of the media I am convinced they are to stupid to actually pick a side. CNN for example just wants to know what we viewers think they should do. And I have always felt right and left are equally filled with hatred and vitriol towards each other. As for your idea on health care I agree. I think a more socialized package would work much better than Obama care. But I would point out that contains the word Socialized. And in my experience Republicans and Tea Parties scream bloody murder at the mere mention of the word socialized medicine.

        Indeed the Democrats have had their own temper tantrums in the past. I will point out that personally I see DOMA as being more immoral than the Affordable Care Act. But it would be hypocritical to condemn the Republicans and not the Democrats. Thank you for listening to me and engaging in a discussion.

        • john Carney

          Good Morning Jeremy,
          Bad choice of words on my part that the media is owned. I believe or am convinced that all of them Fox,CNN ETC. Are censored by someone, otherwise we would see things like soldiers helping the locals and humane acts in the war zones that get posted on the web but not on the news. And it is not party specific. I wasn’t saying doma was moral or not just using that as an example cause it was fresh. I believe all of us are entitled to our opinions and convictions good or bad as perceived by someone else as long as they are not harmful or criminal in nature. And, we as humans should be able to talk with one another and agree or disagree without adversity of ant kind. Our leaders as a whole have set bad examples of that for a long time not just the current administration. Also I did not have a better word to fit for socialized, maybe universal would fit. I just think we as a nation can get something going so that if you or I and anyone else should be able to pick the coverage they want and pay for what they can afford, and the folks that cannot afford ins should be able to receive medical care anyway, but to be told you will have this or that and be fined if you don’t I have an issue with that. I do not have the answers either but am willing to negotiate with people to come up with something. Don’t know your age I’m mid 50’s I remember a time when campaign’s for example was “vote for—he is good for etc” now I’ll I see is mudslinging against opponents. We used to leave doors unlocked and never a theft or vandalism, no one painted or drew on others property, and there were not government regulations for every aspect of our lives. Hope I’m not rambling, I enjoy talking with people no matter what walk of life they are from. Have a great day and thanks for the conversation, lets just pray or wish that they come to some agreement soon. John

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Are you giving a sermon to some Liberal Denomination and practicing it on this site? So much pious BS and saying absolutely nothing. Jeremy Loechner talking to himself with the voice of John Carney.

          • john Carney

            Whats UR point? Batki

          • Karolyn

            Why do you have a problem with civil discourse?

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Its okay. The news networks are controlled by their corporate sponsors who are more concerned with being provocative and getting ratings than they are with actually reporting the news.

            I wasn’t trying to attack you on DOMA. It is a good example of Democrats refusing to budge.

            I appreciate your ideals. Believe me I agree with you on Universal healthcare. I just know its a tough sell. Cause it seems like every time someone suggests universal or single payer healthcare suddenly everyone cries SOCIALISM and swears we are turning into the Soviet Union or worse Canada.

            I am in my early 20’s Paul. I wish we could go back to those days. I wish politicians could campaign honestly and not mud sling. If it makes you feel any better I live in a small town where we can still keep our doors unlocked and not worry about vandalism.

            Your not rambling. Thanks for the talk. Hope you have a great day to. I will definitely pray with you for that. Jeremy

    • Paul

      Jeremy, please explain to me why this government is exempted from many parts of this law if it is so good and we are not? What about the large corporations that received exemptions? You know, the wealthy 1% they hate so much. What about the same government that passed this law and changed what they did not like for themselves without the due process? Why can’t we the people have the same rights and exemptions as this government? If we tried to change ANY of our laws without the due process, we’d be in jail! Is it OK if they do it? Wake up, buddy!
      Look, government in general are corrupt and breed corruption. Historically, that is their main job! It is the duty of all citizens to stand together and protect our home and our nation from government. The day we serve them and they not serve us, it is the end of any free nation. Guess what? We are there once again, as has happened throughout the history of our world. Don’t be folled by them and stand with our people and our Constitution.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        As to your first question Paul. The government is exempt because they already have government provided free healthcare and they are not about to change that. As to your second I think Obama was trying to make a deal with the devil so to speak. He wanted to keep the large corporations on side and not reject the government getting involved in healthcare. I am not sure how the changed the law without due process Paul. Presidents can add signing statements to laws and in certain ways change them without a debate. I am not saying its right. But it is legal. I would point out Paul that we the people are not the government. There are a large number of things government does that we the people do not do and therefore are not allowed to do. I do agree there is plenty of corruption in government. And I agree politicians get away with countless things that would land any normal person in jail. On that we agree. And we do need to get people more involved in holding government accountable.

        However I disagree with you about the inherent nature of government Paul. Our Declaration of Independence states “That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men”. My belief is governments are intended to protect and serve the common good of the people. That is their main job. I hold no doubts that government can be corrupted by the people that make it up. But that does not mean the government itself is inherently corrupt. If there is a corrupt senator you need to get him out. But that does not mean the position of senator is an inherently corrupt one. What matters is who is filling the position. I stand by our people and constitution. But I also stand by our government and our Republican system.

    • Vigilant

      “A congressional passing. A Presidential signing. A Supreme Court decision declaring it constitutional. And a Presidential election.”

      Read: Fugitive Slave Act, Dred Scott, Tariff of Abominations, Missouri Compromise, Alien & Sedition Act, Prohibition, Minor v. Happersett, etc., etc., etc.

      The passing into law alone does not make the act sacrosanct. And this nation does not have the luxury of time to “see how it pans out.”

      Each tick of the clock brings us closer to the fruition of possibly the most economically disastrous law ever passed by any administration & Congress. It’s an economy killer.

      “If its a fifth as bad as they claim it is then I am sure we will all realize it soon enough.” The American people have realized it from the start. The consistent results from polls from 2010 forward have clearly indicated that the American people don’t want it, period. To their credit, not one Republican in either house voted for it.

      And if that presidential election in 2012 were based STRICTLY on a litmus test for Obamacare, he would not be sitting in the office as we speak. To intimate that the election results were an approval of Obamacare is to badly misrepresent the truth. The argument carries no weight.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Vigilant I never said the law was sacrosanct. I actually have a few problems with Obamacare. However I hardly think it compares to the Fugitive Slave Act or the Dred Scott Decision or the Alien and Sedition Act.

        Vigilant the law has not taken affect yet. How do you know its an economy killer. And if the individual mandate is so bad why did the Republicans fight for it so passionately in the 1990s.

        With respect Vigilant I don’t know if we can base our policy decisions on polls. If we did there would be universal background checks on all gun purchases since polls show a vast majority of Americans want them.

        I was not saying that the election was based strictly on a litmus test for Obamacare. But I can’t forget all the times I was told by Republican attack ads that a reelected Obama would mean Obamacare would pass. I simply felt that the election was yet another hurtle that the law had to pass through and that in the end it passed.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Jeremy (aka Flashman aka rbrooks) asks — “Vigilant the law has not taken affect yet. How do you know its an economy killer?”.
          Answer: Because Vigilant has some intelligence. He doesn’t have to wait for the train to run him over before he knows it will be fatal.
          How could it possibly be cheaper and more beneficial to add tens of thousands of Government Employees, with protected jobs and unanswerable to the Healthcare customers, who will then meddle in your Healthcare decisions?
          For those people who have bought into the Propaganda that Healthcare has become expensive due to the absence of Government:
          http://mises.org/daily/5066
          http://mises.org/daily/3793

          • Jeremy Leochner

            So Dave Vigilant can see into the future and know it will devastate the economy. How exactly will it? This law involves people having to buy health insurance from health insurance companies. Sounds like a
            windfall for the health insurance industry to me.

            Because those government employees can be voted out. Under our present system we have tens of thousands of corporate employees with protected jobs
            unanswerable to the healthcare customers meddling in our health care decisions. Actually if you have a “pre existing condition” they can prevent you from even making the decisions.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Jeremy aka Flashman, it’s difficult for me to respond to a person I know to be a multi-personality Shill. It’s kind of like conversing with Hannibal Lector.

            Jeremy aka Flashman says — “Sounds like a windfall for the health insurance industry to me”.
            No doubt. At least until Obama succeeds in taking us into total Socialism or Fascism. Of course companies like more customers, especially ones who have no choice but to buy their products. That (Crony Capitalism) is what both major parties have been all about for the last 100+ years.
            If you are the kind of person (like rapists, like slavers) who likes to Force other people to do things they don’t want, then you will love Obamacare.

            Jeremy aka Flashman says — “Because those government employees can be voted out”.
            Are you joking, just ignorant, or trying to mislead people who are? Whoopee, we get to wait 2, 4, or 6 years to vote out the Politicians who hired the Bureaucrats, and we get to vote in a Politician who has been hand picked by the Establishment, who may, or my not (most likely), fire the Bureaucrat who could give a shot less about whether his customers are happy or not.
            You may not be joking, Jeremy aka Flashman, but you are a joke to anybody with half-a-brain.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            A few problems Dave. The first is I am not a multi personality shill. And the second is Hannibal Lector is a name that was used on me in middle and high school.

            Obama is not trying to take us to either Socialism or Fascism. And even if he was he is not going to do it through insurance reform. I actually agree with you about crony capitalism. As a matter of fact I have several problems with Obamacare including the individual mandate. I believe a single payer system would be better. But every time anyone suggests that everyone cries SOCIALISM. So I am willing to settle for Obamacare which at least helps. And by the way Dave. The thing that insurance companies are being “forced” to do is provide healthcare coverage regardless of so called “pre existing conditions”. And the way Obamacare intends to “Force other people to do things they don’t want” is to require people to buy health insurance in case they get sick. What could be more tyrannical and cruel than requiring people to be taken care of when they get sick.

            Personally Dave I would prefer a “Politician who has been hand picked by the Establishment, who may, or my not (most likely), fire the Bureaucrat who could give a shot less about whether his customers are happy or not.” who we have to “wait 2, 4, or 6 years to vote out” to a corporate bureaucrat who is accountable only to his CEO and stockholders and whose job is perfectly secure as long as he continues to make money for the company. With politicians its possible for we the people to exert influence. However small you may think it is at least its there.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sure you are — Jeremy or Flashy or rbrooks or whoever you really are:
            http://personalliberty.com/2011/05/16/what-now/#comment-839455708

          • Jeremy Leochner

            I can tell you who I really am Dave. My name is Jeremy Leochner.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Maybe. Maybe not. Who knows with a dishonest multi-personality Shill?

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Dave when it comes to political, economic and social matters I am always honest. And I assure you I am no multi personality shill. My politics are one thing. Who I am as a person is somewhat different. You may know a thing or too about my political views Dave. But you know nothing about me.

        • Vigilant

          We have areas of disagreement, to be sure, but I respect your civil and thoughtful reply.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Thanks Vigilant. I respect yours as well.

  • Harold Olsen

    These WWII veterans who chose to violate the Obama regime’s ban on entering the memorial have shown what real heroes are. They did not let a dictator tell them what to do. I cheer and applaud them for their actions. Obama’s at fault for this government shutdown. He and the Democrats are willing to negotiate with our country’s enemies, who happen to be Obama’s pals, but will not negotiate with the Republicans. But then, that’s the America-hating left for you.

  • antonio

    With These Happening of Government Shut-Down, the Republicans in the Lower House of Congress are TO BE BLAME! How many Republican Politicians had served the Military? They are outnumbered by Democrats!

    • John

      Antonio, news flash. I bet about as many Republicans as Democrats served in the military. That would be not to many, in the congress or senate. By the way the Obummer people ordered the shut down of the monument.

      • Paul

        Antonio, the Republicans that are standing their ground are doing so because the people of their States demand it! They are doing their jobs as directed by their people. Unlike the Democraps, their voters tell them Obummercare is wrong and should be slowed down until it is all figured out but they ignore their own people and do what they want. Did you forget that the same hoodlums that passed Obummercare exempted themselves and their good budies from it but we the people cannot? Maybe you like being ruled over by corrupt government. I suggest you live in China, Russia or even Iran for couple years.

    • Henry

      Cite facts, not guesses

    • dan
    • momo

      And what branch of the military did Obama serve in? Yeah, he didn’t.

    • Barakolips

      Republicans are “To be blame” , now that’s some real good grammar there Antonio. What foreign country are you illegally here from? Go back there, America dosent want you!

  • Barbara Johnson

    Funny how it was the Republicans who went out there and moved the barricades for the vets. It wasn’t the Democrats out there helping them.

    • Don Berry

      Yeah, shut it down, then take credit for going around the law and forcing it back open. Michelle Bachmann: [expletive deleted] crazy. You all: Bachmann’s parrots: brawk, brawk, brawk…

    • Don Berry

      Yeah, shut it down, then take credit for going around the law and forcing it back open. Michelle Bachmann: [expletive deleted] crazy. You all: Bachmann’s parrots: brawk, brawk, brawk…

    • Karolyn

      Grandstanding?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Oh my, Karolyn is learning the word of the day.

  • flashy

    Well…no one stopped the vets. No one arrested them. It was at all monuments the shut down took effect. If there wasn’t park personnel around, and one of these vets took a dive…lawsuit? Security, clean up, maintenance. Just last month someone defaced with paint two monuments…

    oh…and a GOP congressman “just happened” to be thete this one visit…photo op ? Ya think ?

    As to “compromise, holding hostage the economy, welfare and security of our nation unless given whst the crazed wackos demand…that isn’t negotiating.its extortion. Its not attempting to work a budget through…its a Continuing Resolution while a budget is negotiated.

    the crazies….the Tea Party and their followers, ate a small minority whose ideas are not the majority and are not sound, sane, nor reasonable. its clear, they care not about the Nation. They care to bring it down. They are the true evil stalking this land ..

    • Paul

      Flashy, you are unreal! You need to open your eyes and read up on the history of humanity. Government and religion has been, and still is, the main cause of the destruction of humanity and it is fools like you that allow it to happen. The Tea Party and MOST American wants smaller government, less taxes and give back control to the people and their States. It is not a matter of being liberal or conservative; it is a matter of saving the US from complete collapse due to the corruption of this government. You need to join in and stand with the people and not government. Unless, of course, you depend on government to take care of you.

    • Henry

      these weren’t ows or obama supporters there, no clean up would have been necessary like when obamabots trashed the national mall or ows wallstreet, no violence so no security needed, only obamas people are looking for lawsuits. The reps were there to meet their constituents.

    • Vigilant

      “oh…and a GOP congressman “just happened” to be thete this one visit…photo op ? Ya think ?”

      Didn’t know Claire McCaskill was a Republican.

    • Vigilant

      “oh…and a GOP congressman “just happened” to be thete this one visit…photo op ? Ya think ?”

      Didn’t know Claire McCaskill was a Republican.

      • dan

        good for Claire….I love it when Dems PROVE that they’re Americans first !

        • Mo Vet

          If Claire was an American first, perhaps she would have paid her taxes on her airplane!

    • Vigilant

      “As to “compromise, holding hostage the economy, welfare and security of our nation unless given whst [sic] the crazed wackos demand…that isn’t negotiating its [sic] extortion.”

      You’re 100% correct…and Obama should either begin compromising or resign his office.

    • momo

      Hey flasho, UP YOURS!

    • Barakolips

      You and yours are the true evil, and were going to bring you down, count on it.

  • charles

    Ground that high dollar flying golf cart that don’t serve any useful purpose. That would make enough money to fund all the national parks for about two months. Let me run the govment for one day and I promise you, I will save the taxpayer enough in one day to run the govment for at least six months. First thing to save would be the white house liquor budget for a month or two. That alone would fund the rest of fuel for an aircraft carrier or two for quite a while. More money wasted in Washington in one day than the average person can even imagine.

  • JimH

    These are men who invaded Normandy and climbed Mt, Suribachi. They went through SS troops and the Imperial Japanese Army.
    A few Barry-cades and Park rangers won’ stop them.

  • David McMillan

    Perhaps the Veterans could go over to 1600 Pennslyvania Ave and shut down that residence since there is no money to operate it!

    • peter

      Not at all David, you forgot the special vault in the Whitehouse. You know, Michelle’s secret stash.

      • dan

        I think they moved that to Switzerland on one of their Vaca’s…

        ..they’d better be careful of getting between Mooschella and her stash of Bar-b-que chicken-wings ,though….

  • Don Berry

    Gee…what part of “non-essential” do you all not understand? Maybe tell your Teabagger friends in Congress to stop being the 5-year-old-having-a-tantrum about the debt ceiling, and maybe these services can be made available again, for everybody.

    • dan

      Geee …non-esential like all of those old veterans who risked life and limb to make sure you had the the freedom to spout such foolishness
      and without who you would be speaking german….definitely stupid possibly a troll

      • Don Berry

        …and whose benefits the Teapublicans want to take away. The hypocracy here is simply amazing.

        • Henry

          name those benefits, troll

        • peter

          And there I was thinking you had left the building Don! Sorry about that. Like Obama you are always right aren’t you? When your hero needs good advice he needs to ask Putin.

    • Paul

      Don, do you consider ESSENTIAL that the large business (you know, the 1% liberals hate so much); our government and God know who else, gets a break in the Obummercare law, too? Meanwhile the rest of us are required to shut up and obey the law. Keep in mind if Obummercare IS the law, how can the same people that shoved it down our throats changed it without going thru the system/process? I am sure it was ESSENTIAL to violate our laws for the sake of government and their good buddies. You need to wake up, Don, and stand with the people instead of this corrupt government.

      • Don Berry

        It’s the law…get used to it. End of discussion.

        • Amfer Ferg

          Good, now leave.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            No, No. Let him prattle the nonsense and let him show his shallowness and viciousness and evil. We have been indoctrinated that all people are basically good that all they have to do to show their niceness is smile and say nice things.

        • Henry

          slavery was the law once too.

          • Paul

            Slavery never ended. The new slave owners are our government.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So your family were slaveholders and broke God’s laws. Don’t you feel better for admitting such.

          • Henry

            You should learn to read. I never said my family owned slaves.Don’t you feel better admitting you have trouble comprehending a simple sentence?

          • Karolyn

            Yes, she does have trouble with reading comprehension, preferring to add her own meanings and embellishments to peoples’ posts.

        • peggyjsl

          And they say they didn’t even read it. Let’s pass it and then read it! They know what is in it and they planned on never having it for themselves and all their friends. Community Organizer is going to get his way, people will find out what is in it when it is to late and yes it is law – New World Order For All Of Us Slaves and there is a mark 666(badge of servitude) coming to all who follow this C.O. from Kenya. Everything he does is for the destruction of America.

        • Paul

          I think you meant it is the law we the people must obey and not this government, correct? If that’s the case, I have to respect your socialist beliefs since our Constitution says so.

    • vietnamvet1971

      Tell that Muslim / Homosexual Reprobate minded piece of Trash BULLY and he is a BULLY to kiss our Buttocks the next time you kiss his.

      • Don Berry

        I don’t kiss anybody’s ass…least of all the morons who write the stuff you people here worship.

        • vietnamvet1971

          SO who do you Worship? your god of this present Evil world. You must know the Demonrat party at their Evil UNGODLY convention Hated the word GOD mentioned and IF you support abortion & the Homosexual agenda you are just a Reprobate like them and NO Christian.

        • paulrph1

          Have you ever heard of accountability and responsibility. And those two terms do not relate to Obama or team Obama. Obama’s visions are warped. But to the idiot, like Biden they fall right into step. So where to you stand with Biden or responsible people? Let us see who Obama surrounds himself with now these are his nobles. Biden, the village idiot; Pelosi the deviant, Reid the slime ball, Geitner, the tax cheat; Kerry the anti-2nd amendment; H Clinton, the feigner; Obama, the impostor; Van Jones, the communist;

    • Henry

      obama is the tantrum throwing five year old, you obama ass kisser

      • smilee

        He has got the tea baggers by the balls though and it will not be too long before the start screaming

        • Nadzieja Batki

          smillee, your desperation gives you away that you are afraid of O.

          • smilee

            AFRAID??? What is there to be afraid of???? Certainly nothing from Obama

        • Henry

          You people sure like to talk about “teabagging”, look it up to see what it means. And for sure you like to talk about mens balls….kind of strange behaviour for a heterosexual.

    • Vigilant

      Hey, Dingle Berry, just what part of the word “insolvency” do you not understand?

      Raising the debt ceiling would likely kill the US dollar, result in a second downgrade of US creditworthiness. send the stock market into a tailspin and push us into another depression.

      The debt ceiling should be DROPPED, not raised, and the socialist politicians need to understand that our financial woes are merely going to increase unless this profligate spending/borrowing are radically reduced.

      It would appear that YOU are the 5-year-old insofar as mental maturity is concerned.

      • Paul

        Right on, buddy. Idiots like him are the direct cause of why our nation is in this mess. All they know if “free government stuff” without any consideration that we the people are the ones picking up the tab. Our nation WILL fail we don’t stand together. Not IF but WHEN it will fail.

        • smilee

          For cripes sake we had one of our biggest messes ever when he got there he did not create it

          • Vigilant

            True, he merely put it on steroids and did the same thing GWB did.

      • smilee

        Raise the taxes to pay the debt and pay as you go would too. This would in a short time eliminate the debt service and then the taxes could be lowered again. There is more than one way to skin a cat!!

        • S.C.Murf

          You are truly a paid troll smelly.

          up the hill
          airborne

          • smilee

            Nobody pays me a dime, it is all my personal beliefs, but thanks for the stupid remark! Is it the best you can do??

          • Vigilant

            I have no doubt you aren’t paid a dime for your efforts. No one would be that stupid.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            S.C. Murf’s comment was a dilly, that you can’t even defend yourself verbally from his comment.

        • Vigilant

          “There is more than one way to skin a cat!!”

          You’re right about that. Unfortunately, you and your socialist brothers have only ever skinned it one way, by raising taxes. And, hypocritically as usual, the leftists don’t even abide by the policies of their god, John Maynard Keynes, who clearly advocated REDUCTION of taxes during downturns of the economy.

          It’s not the raising or lowering of taxes that got us into this mess, it’s the SPENDING. BTW, ignoramus, you could tax ALL the American people at a 100% rate and you still wouldn’t put a dent in the debt.

          I know this is the equivalent of rocket science to you, but it’s simple mathematics to those of us with an IQ higher than 50.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Thanks Vigilant. couldn’t put this better.

          • smilee

            I see your Spouting off before putting your brain in gear again. Your wrong!! Bills should be paid and not needlessly put on the Credit Card

          • Vigilant

            My God, is smilee actually advocating a capping of the debt limit?

            You’ve painted yourself into a corner, idiot.

    • Average_Joe56

      If you blame the decline of America on:
      Gun Owners
      Christians
      Tea Partiers
      Libertarians
      Home Schooling
      Meat eaters
      Rednecks
      Veterans
      Hunters
      Congratulations!
      You are what’s wrong with our country!

      • smilee

        Not all are to blame but these are

        Tea Partiers
        Libertarians
        Rednecks

        • Average_Joe56

          Dear Troll #1,
          Please be advised that your opinion has been received, reviewed and filed appropriately (in the trash can). Thank you for your usual unintelligent drivel. Please feel free to play again at a later date. Parting gifts are available at the exit door.
          Now, don’t go away mad…just go away!

          • smilee

            Now you do sound like a true tea partier as you do not possess the power todo that anymore than they do to destroy Obamacare., You both just think so but you both are delusional about it.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Why comment with a dither if you are not the one who is petrified that you may actually have to be responsible for yourself.

      • KG

        No, that is an unfair list. The real groups who are responsible are the Ultra-Conservatives and the idiots who vote for them. It was their ‘base’ that sold-off American manufacturing to the lowest bidder in the 80’s. That’s why despite lots of spending in the financial sector, our economy continues to stall. The money is helping Business pay their dividends to their shareholders rather than financing any building or manufacturing in America.

        • Average_Joe56

          “No, that is an unfair list.”
          The list…is what it is…..who told you that anything in life was fair? They LIED to you.
          I see that you are also still stuck in the left/right paradigm….sorry for your luck.
          Grow a brain…Troll #2

        • dan

          for the GREEDY ….business is only a vehicle
          for the POWER SEEKERS.politics is the means…
          although,for both, influance and manipilation are implicit

          .

      • dan

        roflmao…I’m 10 for 10…thanks Joe

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Where is the money coming from? Supposedly the government doesn’t need the taxpayer money because it can just print as much as it wants. so then it is the Dems/Progs/Leftists who are playing this up. And aren’t you a darling caring and worrying about “MAYBE these services can be made available again for EVERYBODY”.

  • Ronr

    I think it is so unamerican to go around bragging about closing down government and saying this is what we wanted , and BTW we are all united on this , and then go to a veterans monument for a photo op. those veterans should have run their asses up a flag pole. But that is how it goes most times. The cowards with no military service are always trying to use veterans for their personal gain.
    They shut the government down because they foregot that you repeal or amend laws. Not defund them. They come up with lie after lie , then go on photo ops like they are the only Americans. But now it’s Obamas fault. B/S !!!

    • Henry

      It is obama and the dems fault.

      • dan

        the people that voted them in share the blame…not to mention the lap-Rino’s that do their bidding and don’t undo the damage
        when they get a chance….

    • Vigilant

      “They shut the government down because they foregot [sic] that you repeal or amend laws. Not defund them.”

      Wrong. Perhaps you should refresh your reading of the Constitution, Article I, Section 7.

      • Average_Joe56

        Liberals don’t read…what were you thinking? It would have to be distributed in 15 second sound bites on MSNBC for the liberals to absorb it…and we all know that isn’t going to happen…..
        ;)

        • Vigilant

          You’re absolutely correct. Yesterday, the piss poor performance of Alex and Dave in being unable to distinguish Constitutionality from unconstitutionality proves it.

          Today we have Smilee, the epitome of ignorance and stupidity when it comes to the Constitution (and the English language).

      • KG

        Don’t forget Article II Sec. III Clause VI – …he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed…

        Thats why the WWII monument was closed. Our President, Mr Obama, is doing his constitutional duty as our president.

        Unless you WANT to see some old people get a broken hip from tripping on trash??

        • Vigilant

          “Don’t forget Article II Sec. III Clause VI – …he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed…”

          You mean like federal immigration law? Or perhaps DOMA? Don’t forget the illegal GM bailout. Fast & Furious rings a bell. IRS targeting of Conservatives. You might want to consider his violation of the War Powers Act in Libya. “Recess” appointments of federal officials when the Senate was not in recess? I could go on.

          KG, you are stepping on it big time if you’re purporting to hold up Obama as a paragon of presidential virtue in upholding the laws.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Vigilant,

            You beat me to it.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Vigilant

            Thank you!

        • Vigilant

          “Unless you WANT to see some old people get a broken hip from tripping on trash??”

          Don’t go to the memorial and they won’t trip on you, KG.

      • smilee

        Which you repeatedly misinterpret

        • Vigilant

          Clarify sonny, clarify. Tell us all (we’re waiting with bated breath) how the Constitution in any way prohibits the failure to appropriate funds for any reason at any time.

          C’mon. Mr. Constitutional expert, tell us!

          “You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.”
          ― Harlan Ellison

          • smilee

            I have many times before so will not repeat myself here!!

          • Vigilant

            That’s a flat out lie. You have never addressed how the Constitution in any way prohibits the failure to appropriate funds for any reason at any time.

            Don’t go off on a tangent and get into other arguments we’ve had, address this specific challenge if you have any semblance of intellectual integrity (which I doubt).

            My prediction: you won’t address it specifically.

          • smilee

            DID TOO, is your memory failing to now???

          • Vigilant

            My prediction was correct.

            Yes, smilee, my memory is failing. Please enlighten us so we can all enjoy the spectacle of you making an intellectual ass out of yourself once again.

            Second prediction: he STILL won’t answer the challenge of proving the Constitution prohibits the failure to appropriate funds for any reason at any time.

            It goes without saying that he won’t answer it.

            “Stupidity isn’t punishable by death. If it was, there would be a hell of a population drop.”
            ― Laurell K. Hamilton, The Laughing Corpse

            That would be your warrant for execution, son.

          • Vigilant

            Dear Mr. Smilee,

            By a rare unanimous vote, the Board of Directors has bestowed upon you the weekly DRA (Dumb Response Award). As you know, this is a Progressive-sponsored award, given the fact that socialists dominate the field.

            After having assessed thousands of responses on PLD, we have concluded with high confidence that the quantity and quality of your comments warrant this accolade.

            You will remain in the running in our other categories of awards, the DOLT (Dearth of Logic Trophy), the MIAC (Mendaciousness in Action Certificate), and the FTRWFA (Failure to Respond with Facts Award) as well as the coverall general award, the IDIOT (Ignorant Display in Other Things).

            Understand this is a weekly bestowment. You can keep and hold this position for as long as your responses outweigh the marginally more intelligent comments of your competitors. Please be cognizant that competition is keen in this area. Keep your nose to the grindstone and you should have no fear of being superseded by Alex, Dave, Eric Bischoff, Flashy, Right Brain Thinker, KG, nc, Doc Sarvis, et. al.

            Sincerely,

            Seymour Dullards

          • Average_Joe56

            Love it! Spot on post.

          • Vigilant

            Thanks. AJ!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            You just proved Vigilant right, that you won’t address it specifically.

    • peter

      No man, it’s Bush’s fault or have you forgotten so soon?

      • dan

        forgot your LOL ….rofl

      • nc

        Peter, we will never forget bush and his administration that blew a 91% approval rating by not delivering the economy he promised for the rich man tax cuts, blowing the Katrina rescue, the wars for the wrong reasons, and in general delivering a total wreck to Obama
        Only 25% of those Americans polled at the end approved of how he was running the country? What happened to the 91%! I’ll tell you!!
        THE SELF PROCLAIMED “DECIDER” DECIDED AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE QUITE UNPOPULAR WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE! See polls and the 2008 and 2012 election results.
        Surely you don’t deny what 69 million Americans saw in Nov 2008.
        bush did a lot to collect fault from 2001-2008 and he hadn’t cleaned up any of it by NOV< 200! Hence McCain had to bite the bush bullet and drag Caribou Barbie along at the same time.

        ps: Thanks also for the mittons ticket! Not only the Democrats had not forgotten the bush performance(?) but a lot moderates and independents had not forgotten either.

    • Paul

      Ron, they offered to negotiate and provide the same exemptions this government and their 1% wealthy buddies are getting but they refused. The intent was not to defund anything but to provides the same benefits and choices for the people. This government does not like many parts of Obummercare but they will not offer the same exemptions to the people. Is that fair? The only option they had was to stand their ground, as directed by their people, and negotiate. Obummer will have none of it. I say keep it shut down until we ALL have the same offer as our government.

      • smilee

        Voted down 45 times and they still will not admit they are defeated, that is insane, They also ignore the electorate re-elected Obama thus he was given veto power over it which they also ignore.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          You have been defeated 45 times and don’t realize that with your supposed wins you still don’t get the assurance that you won anything.

          • smilee

            It is being implemented regardless of what you say, this battle was won in March 2010!! Get over your loss!!

          • Average_Joe56

            That’s nice, you’ve earned another “Milk Bone” from your handler…Feel better now? Sit! Roll over! Play dead…feel free to ignore the “play” part.
            Good boy……

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Despising and mocking,but right now that is what you are doing by your condescension, you would think that you would appreciate the fact that people still go the monuments. You, in fact, look down and mock and hate those veterans but if you could use those veterans for O’s agenda you would pretend like and fawn over them.

    • Vis Fac

      Congress has the DUTY to not fund fraudulent laws. Putting a bill up for vote without first having the opportunity to read it is out of order and certainly fraudulent. The ONLY way Nancy Piglosi could get this monstrosity passed is to request a vote immediately prior to a recess. Our NON-REPRESENTATIVES bit and voted just so they could recess. Typical liberal politics, hide/bury the truth then it’s too late.

      Congress people who are dishonest should be put in the pillory for all to witness and publicly humiliated. It was effective then but liberals of that era managed to abolish this as inhumane.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

  • guest233

    In all of my 65 years, NEVER have I seen my government so contemptuous of the American people. This administration doesn’t hide their hatred and scorn of everything ‘American’.

    • peter

      Time to understand that people are irrelevant, no matter who is in charge. The time is fast approaching when those who are left will be slaves and the elites will carry on making their fortunes out of nothing. That is how ponzi schemes work and the world is a giant ponzi scheme. When cheap money ( Bernankes printing press ) is available in ever increasing amounts to the wealthy, why would the common folk be relevant? This administration does not just hate and scorn everything that is not theirs, they actually despise everyone, including some of their so called friends. These two legged talking heads or whatever they may be, are planning much worse, so get ready to do their bidding or suffer the consequences, which are guaranteed to be very uncomfortable, but for the very few. The real circus awaits when they turn on one another – hope to be around to see that one!

      • dan

        agree…it’s the Banking SYSTEM
        of usary and fractional reserves…
        even the MOOslims know better than to allow that

      • dan

        agree…it’s the Banking SYSTEM
        of usary and fractional reserves…
        even the MOOslims know better than to allow that

    • smilee

      When was the last time you had your eyes checked????

      • Nadzieja Batki

        What has having guest 233 check his eyes have to do with your worshipful stance to O? You have been told before that the more you defend O the worse you make him.

        • smilee

          It was in response to this

          In all of my 65 years, NEVER have I seen my government

          “SEEN” Can you see why now or should you also get yur eyes checked

    • FreedomFighter

      guest233 they scorn and hate everything American for this reason:Colossians 3:12We are what evil and darkness hate most, a Christian Nation under GOD. They the evil ones must separate us from GOD to make all embrace the totalitarian state. (See Albert Pike WWIII writings.)
      Laus DeoSemper FI

      • guest233

        So true!

      • Vis Fac

        “For whatever we once were we are no longer a Christian nation” Barack Hussein Obama
        This says it all. The liberals who have abandoned God will reap their just rewards.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

      • guest233

        Amen! Satan knows his time is short and is on the rampage against everything ‘Holy and Good and Pure’.Thank God that His Son has declared that He has overcome for us who believe!

  • Jeff Noncent

    well let me put it in simple way my friend I don’t care if the Scorpion blame the Republican or not he can blame another group for all I care! the Scorpion is not an American, he is not a patriot, all he want is to destroy this nation founding fathers beliefs and that’s the bottom line! and so with that said, are we going to let him win, or are we going to demand that he need to be impeach and be thrown to jail with all of his administration, we need for WE THE PEOPLE to fight for this country constitution and the declaration of independence

    • smilee

      Regardless he is still your President and you cannot change that!!

      • rwm44

        he is not my president isn’t that what libs chanted during GWB

        • smilee

          Some may have said that but not near as many as are saying it now about Obama and both are wrong unless your not a citizen. Are you here legally??

          • Barakolips

            I don’t care if you are a legal citizen, you and your type should be deported as traitors to America and let the illegals stay!

          • smilee

            Oh my, my, my are you loosing it

      • Vigilant

        Smilee once again shows his abject misunderstanding of the Constitution.

        Try Article I, Section 3.(6) and (7).

        • smilee

          Carry on silly, the more you do the dumber you look!!!

          • Vigilant

            Read that part of the Constitution and we’ll see who looks dumb.

  • mark

    This is a total nonsense story. The shutting down of public monuments and public parks is a routine procedure during government shutdowns. Past administrations have done the exact same thing. It is not an Obama vendetta against WWII veterans anymore that the closing down of national parks is an Obama vendetta against environmentalists and naturalists. This endless search for nefarious motivations by the president is laughable. The other day a crackpot tea party Congressman called the Affordable Care Act the “most insidious law ever passed in the history of man.” In the history of Man! What about the Nuremberg Laws? The Inquisition Laws of the Middle Ages? Slavery laws in the American South, the Caribbean, and Brazil? The Jim Crow laws that denied African Americans equal access to public facilities, transportation, and the voting booth? It is this kind of ludicrous exaggerating that leads to even more hyped-up paranoia. Many school children could not visit closed national monuments in DC this week, so Obama is launching a war – not just against WWII veterans- but also against children. He hates and is out to humiliate all American children. What utter nonsense only swallowed hook, line, and sinker by the usual haters and extremists. If the right cares so much about veterans then why does the Ryan Budget that they worship call for cuts in their benefits. If the right wants the WWII monuments open, then should pass a clean CR and be done with it. This will happen in another week anyway. All this grandstanding just makes the Republicans and the article writer at PLD look like fools.

    • Average_Joe56

      Dropped on your head (repeatedly) as a child? Public Indoctrination camp for 12+ years? Mentally defective from birth?
      Inquiring minds want to know!

      Liberalism is a genetic defect…….

      http://www.bing.com/search?q=liberal+genetic+defect&form=MSNH14&refig=d40cb2f09a044b7fa790c96840b6fa5c&pq=liberal+gene&sc=7-12&sp=3&qs=AS&sk=AS2

      • Ricarrdo estavans

        Also liberals are suicidal imbeciles. Nothing more pathetic than a grown “man” who is emotionally weak, moist handed, and whinny.

    • jmacleve

      Missing the point here. There’s no reason to “close” a monument in an open area or to deprive 90 year olds of their right to stand by the monument put up in their honor. Or to threaten to arrest them. This is grandstanding by the government plain and simple.

      • Average_Joe56

        “This is grandstanding by the government plain and simple.”

        This is grandstanding by the White House plain and simple.

        Mr. Obongo owns this one … lock, stock and two smoking barrels.

        After Tuesday’s run in with the Vets, the White House ordered the barricade put back up and added more park security.
        The most transparent president in U.S. history…we can see right through him!

        • Ricarrdo estavans

          Obamatollah is a tyrannical dicktaster I mean dick tator I mean dictator

          • Average_Joe56

            Ah…you mean ” a pole smoking, turd wrangler”…..
            Agreed!

          • smilee

            It does not appear you know what you mean!!!!

          • Ricarrdo estavans

            Magwah understands the English very well.

          • Ricarrdo estavans

            I know exactly what I mean. Just ask, Larry Sinclair. Or ask Nate Spencer, Larry Bland or Donald Young. Oh I forgot the last three are dead. Shot execution style within 40 days of each other in CHICAGO. What a coincidence. How about asking Rahm Emmanuel, or Reggie Love. Obamatollah be goin down low.

          • smilee

            And just what has that have to do with any of this??????

          • Average_Joe56

            That’s what we want to know…just what do any of your comments have to do with reality?

          • smilee

            When you are so out of touch with reality you can never know the truth so this would be normal for you!!

          • Average_Joe56

            Paid by the word…or by the letter? I only ask because you seem to have a whole lot of nothing to say…Oh wait…that’s just normal for you…..

          • smilee

            If your trying to sound intelligent you failed!!

          • Average_Joe56

            By the letter eh?
            It figures……

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Duh, Sleepee, it’s “you’re”.

          • Average_Joe56

            Poor, poor sleepee…he just can’t seem to keep his feet out of his mouth…..

          • Vis Fac

            Smelly YOUR reality is NOT true reality You must be some sort of kin to Alex in La La Land. Liberal reality is make believe the furthest thing from being real!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Nadzieja Batki

            You know exactly what Ricardo estavans is saying but you have to saying something/anything because you may fail to defend O at all costs.

        • smilee

          In the end the tea baggers will be the ones blamed by the majority and your associated with a very small minority.

          • Average_Joe56

            Only if liberal idiots do the blaming…They are in charge of everything (or so they think), but…responsible…for nothing.

          • smilee

            Whine, Whine, Whine, Whine, This will fall on the shoulders of the GOP regard!!less of what you say

          • Average_Joe56

            Stop your whining…..

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So you are claiming that your Dem/Prog/Leftist majority is being picked on by the Tea Party minority. So you are playing a new version of VICTIMOLOGY for what exactly, sympathy to which I say TOO BAD DO SAD.

          • smilee

            NO, they are picking. as on the american people and shafting them. Even you but you have not figured that out as yet.

      • smilee

        BALONEY!!!

        • Nadzieja Batki

          The monuments and the parks belong to the nation which means the American people. What part of that don’t you understand? Only if the government owns all those properties then they can tell who can go and who can stay but then you have to explain who is the government now.

          • smilee

            I did not say otherwise so what is you real [expletive deleted]

        • Vis Fac

          You must be PETRIFIED otherwise you would except the fate that awaits you.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

    • smilee

      You have to remember all this coming from a person who said Romney would win by a landslide as just one of many examples so there is no valid reason to take him seriously. Good Post, Thanks!!

      • Vis Fac

        Smelly got it WRONG as usual Chip Wood did not predict a Romney win Wayne Allyn Root Predicted a Romney win..This is a prime example as to the stupidity of a liberal and so typical to constantly get things WRONG then warp them to fit YOUR agenda.

        No wonder you depend on the lame stream media you have the attention span and memory of a maggot.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      mark says — “Past administrations have done the exact same thing”.
      And who were those “past administrations”, mark?

      mark says — “This endless search for nefarious motivations by the president is laughable”.
      The endless efforts by Liberal Progressives to defend an indefensible tyrant are what is laughable.

      mark says — ” What about the Nuremberg Laws? The Inquisition Laws of the Middle Ages? Slavery laws in the American South, the Caribbean, and Brazil? The Jim Crow laws that denied African Americans equal access to public facilities, transportation, and the voting booth?”.
      Hmmm. All Government predation by Government on their citizens. Yet mark continues to believe that Government is the Solution to our Problems. I guess there’s just no limit to his naivete.

      If the Federal Government doesn’t have the funds to administer the National Parks, there are numerous Private companies who would be glad to take over. And they would likely do the job more efficiently and more politely.
      A common sight on my many trips to Yellowstone was that of Park Employees leaning on their shovels shooting the bull.

      • Vis Fac

        mark says: You know those er; I mean; ah; um gee; you know those past administrations

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

  • Jim B

    It still floors me, nearly a million non-essentials. And that’s not counting the 535 (or whatever the number is) House and Senate members, and the Big Turd in the WH, who are all, by their own actions …. Non-Essentials… YA! Look, the government will continue to take in its 2.7 Trillion in Tax racketeering and extortion money from the American citizens, that’s on auto pilot. Plenty money to take care of SS, McAid, McCare, the Vets, more War’s, interest payment on the debt, and all kinds of other unconstitutional government activities. Besides the FED is still printing 89 billion a month to infinity (fools). Regardless of the Big Turd’s fear mongering, and unintelligible economic voodoo speak the air in your tires will not deflate, and Carbon Dioxide will be consumed by the planet to produce ‘Oxygen’. Eventually no person or animal, no company, industry, or business, the left or right ideologists will give a flying puck about non-essentials, and the mainstream media will find some other nonsense to lie about.

    • Ricarrdo estavans

      So eloquently written.

      • Vis Fac

        Written so the DUMBOCRITES could comprehend the content. In their language so to speak!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

  • Ricarrdo estavans

    Gee golly whiz. The government is shut down. I haven’t noticed.

    • Average_Joe56

      LOL…yup….it just seems like “business as usual” in The District of Criminals…..

    • Vis Fac

      You won’t either Just like under ODUMBO’S sequester his pet projects remain funded while those that cost little or nothing to operate get axed. I suggest we cut ALL foreign aid and welfare food stamps health care and education for illegals!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

      • Ricarrdo estavans

        MOEN LOBE

        • Vis Fac

          Yes the walls are collapsing as we speak how apropos.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

  • Ricarrdo estavans

    What does one expect from a tyrannical dicktaster.. I mean dictator.

    • Vis Fac

      I liked that one.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

      • Ricarrdo estavans

        Lock and load, keep your powder dry. The Jihadists are coming.

        • Vis Fac

          And I’m staying having my eyes on the target.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

        • Vis Fac

          Will Do You Too

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

  • Ricarrdo estavans

    The congress has every legal right not to fund Obamatollah care. They are willing to fund the other phony baloney government jobs. Its the Obamatollah who is not willing to compromise. These congressmen were elected because they ran on defunding Obamtollah care.

    • smilee

      They have every right to fund it too and have this is about revoking that funding. The definition of insanity has been said be doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, 45 times the GOP has voted to revoke the funding and 45 time they were complete failure.so their insanity is very clear for all to see. Obama does not have to compromise so why should he he has the veto power given himby the people when he was re-elected. If revoking funding for Obamacare was so important as the GOP says then why is Romney not president. The GOP is snubbing its nose at the will of the people expressed in the last election.

      • Average_Joe56

        TROLL ALERT!
        Get back under your bridge…Troll!

        • smilee

          Throw the truth under the bridge, so typical of you!!

          • Average_Joe56

            Actually, I was throwing smilee (Troll #1) under the bridge…and there certainly isn’t any truth coming from smilee….by any stretch of imagination.

          • Vis Fac

            The Truth that you are indeed a Smelly troll?

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          I rather like Sleepee to post so that the innocent readers can see just what kind of people are voting to run their lives.

      • Ricarrdo estavans

        This may come as a shock to you. Sit down. Are you sitting? Good. There is more than ONE republican in congress. Yeah really. You have two main factions: The RINOS (who vote and behave like Dumbocraps) and the Tea Party faction. About 80 or so Tea Party types are in the congress and about 6 in the senate.. Its these Tea Party Patriots who campaigned and won because they vowed to end Obamatollah care. They have constituants also. Yeah really. Bipartisanship is collusion.

        • smilee

          But still lack the power to get anything they campaigned on passed so the resort to extortion to make up for that lack of power. It’s a power game and they cannot win with it being so small overall. Your BS means nothing so whine on!!

      • rwm44

        slimee let your boy put all the exemptions back in the bill exactly the way it was voted on .then lets see who will want to stop it from going thru

        • smilee

          Can the baloney as it has nothing to do with this reality!!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            smilee, you have discovered a new word “reality” but which parallel universe are you working in for that word to be reality?

      • Scott Shipman

        Correct. Obama does not have to compromise. But you cant blame republicans if he refuses to compromise. Republicans have compromised – 5 times in the last few days.

        • smilee

          What they have did is not compromising it is grandstanding. Obama should not compromise on this it is the GOP that lacks the power here to get what they want so compromise is on their shoulders,. Elections do have consequences That is the nature of politics and war. Obama is teaching hem that lesson.

          • Average_Joe56

            Compromise is a two way street…and so far, all of the compromising has been done by conservatives….exactly WHEN do the liberals get to take their turn at compromising?
            You keep blaming one side, while ignoring the two 800 pound Gorillas in the room with you (Obama and Reid)….We’ve offered compromise…you’ve offered nothing in exchange…..
            I can see no value in your vision of trade…If you want us to compromise…we expect fair value for that compromise. If you are unwilling to offer something of value in return…then there will be no trade-offs…there will be NO COMPROMISE!

          • smilee

            Those with power do not have to compromise those without it do, The 800 pound gorilla has the power. You and GOP have offered garbage and Obama does not want any garbage. This is not a sport with rules this is power v little power that has always been true in politics and once we settled it with war. SO WHINE ON SILLY!!

          • Average_Joe56

            ROTFLMAO!
            Have your handler adjust your meds……lap dog.

          • smilee

            You never could understand reality could you, Your intelligence bucket is empty, of course, there never was much in it.

          • Scott Shipman

            Do you realize how totalitarian your statement is? Those with the power are citizens, not narcissistic civil servants. Please explain how it is garbage? PLease explain the constitutionality of a law that exempts congress (amendment 28). Please explain how these individual and employer mandates have a sustainable economic model to support this law. You cant. Facts are facts.

          • Vis Fac

            Smelley– An 800pound gorilla has the power if you get close enough to let him use it on you. That same 800 pound gorilla is also afraid of loud noises ODUMBO is afraid of loud noises as he constantly tunes them out or passes the buck.

            Only when the noise is accompanied by force will ODUMBO pay attention.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Robert Wood

            HE JUST REPLACE THE NUTS WITH MARBLES

          • Robert Wood

            HE JUST REPLACE THE NUTS WITH MARBLES

          • Barakolips

            This might have to be settled with war, civil war, and you fools will be on the losing end. That’s not a threat, its a promiss!

          • smilee

            Good luck!! Today’s military today is hundreds of times more powerful than in 1860 when the opposition could take a rifle and fight,on a equal basis the equivalent today would be like having only a pea shooter against the current military.

          • Average_Joe56

            “Those with power do not have to compromise ”

            And you think that the Democrats have power eh?

            Great, then you don’t need the Republicans help….you’ve got it all under control…. If as you say, you have the “power” then why would you need our help anyway?

            Oh wait…why is the Government shut down again?
            Yep, you’ve got power……..

          • smilee

            I guess to simple minds like yours I should have said neither are all powerful just that the democrats have much more power than the republicans. Obama has veto power and 100% control over it and the GOP can only pass things in the house that go nowhere in the senate so they will not prevail in anything they propose until they shoot for something that is responsible but they keep doing the same things over and over again, 45 times on Obamacre and gained absolutely nothing, that is is pure stupidity and that is why they have not and will not win

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            “What they have did”? Gotta love those public school educations, eh, Sleepee?

          • NC

            aboriginal, with “all” of your education you cite ONE book over and over! How often do you move on to the next windmill or are you STILL trying to beat the first one!
            If you would get off the “brainwashing the children” kick and realize that they are not required to teach only what a bunch of knuckle draggers want ‘ taught” you could more fairly judge what they manage to teach our kids!
            One of the first things I learned in debating is if YOUR ONLY response is to correct YOUR OPPONENTS GRAMMER AND SPELLING you have lost that point??? WHICH YOU DO QUITE OFTEN!!! DAVE AND SMILEE OWN YOU IN THE DEBATES!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            NutCase says — “with “all” of your education you cite ONE book over and over!”.
            Which one is that, NutCase? I post links to numerous articles and books.
            Have you read that “ONE” book? Of course you haven’t you old ignoramus. Because you’re afraid that you’ll find you’ve been spewing crap all your miserable life.
            You learned how to debate? Were you raised in a tribe of Howler Monkeys?
            NutCase’s cousins:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pia8ku7jUNg

          • Scott Shipman

            Can you explain what is essential and worth shutting the government down over delaying the individual mandate, the employer mandate and the congressional special subsidies that Reid and Obama think they must stay? Because thats what was in the last proposal. Its not grandstanding at all. The constitution allows the house to determine which activities of the government to fund, and they approved several bills. What hasnt been clear, or expressed with any honesty in the media or by Obama during his many public speeches is why these items are off the table. Instead, he has lied, using phrases like “preventing access to healthcare” etc. Its congressional record what was submitted. Go read it. Then see if your exhalted leader are still telling the truth.

          • smilee

            It is grand stand standing when you know without a doubt it will fail. The better question is what would waiting one more year accomplish?? Nothing except keep its success from being championed in the 14 elections by the Democrats and that is the big fear of the GOP as their lies would not then be defenseable. They have lost this battle so they should do themselves favor and throw in the towel.

      • Ricarrdo estavans

        Bottom line, Obamatollah care will bankrupt this country. And why do so many Union leaders and other donators to Obammy have demanded and received exemptions?, why is Obama and the Senate and congress exempt?. Are you that ignorant not to see the hypocrisy . Oh I forgot you are. Another product of the public school system liberal. I see Fifteen-twenty years of liberal indoctrination and brain washing has taken its toll.

        • smilee

          Excempted means excused and no one is, unions like companies got a year reprieve from having to pay the tax if they did not get their employees covered next year but they where not exempted from the program. Congress is not either but were given the choice between what they have now or use the exchange but not exempted, It s you who is ignorant regardless of where you went to school…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Good Grief, Sleepee. If I had grammar like yours, I would not be calling other people “ignorant”.

          • Ricarrdo estavans

            Bullschit, Blue collar unions are against it as well as employees of the IRS. THE IRS.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who is in charge of you and me complying with the Obamanation of Obamatollah care. I will continue to fight against this crap.

          • smilee

            SO, that means nothing Fight it all you like but your banging your head against a brick wall. Enjoy your pain!!

          • Ricarrdo estavans

            You are definitely a product of the Public school system. I know it’s not your fault. I see self esteem courses have replaced grammar and creative writing. So obvious.

          • Robert Wood

            SOUND LIKE YOU ALREADY BANGED YOUR HEAD and all the NUTS FELL OUT

          • Ricarrdo estavans

            You must be distracted a lot by shiny objects.

          • Shocked!

            OMG, are you serious? You ARE stupid. Congress has totally exempted themselves. Where have you been, under a rock?

          • Average_Joe56

            “Where have you been, under a rock?”
            If only!…A very large one preferably.

          • smilee

            I’m shocked that you do not know you are lying!!

      • Vis Fac

        Smelly Harry Reid you know the resident CURMUDGEON. of the Senate REFUSED to consider ANY GOP budgetary bills to the senate they wound up in the waste can. It was Harry Reid who says the Senate is FOR the government and NOT for the people.
        THIS IS THE ISSUE our government ODUMBO – Biden – Holder Nancy Piglosi – Harry Reid are NOT representing the people they represent themselves and are ODUMBO’s Lackeys.
        It’s MORONS like you who cannot face reality or recognize a rotten apple even though you bit into it. You are afraid to look foolish because you were wrong even more foolish to continue to believe these lame stream media and government lies.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • Nadzieja Batki

          I am wondering if Harry Reid is believing and following the “White Horse Prophecy” of Joseph Smith. That he Harry Reid is the rescuer of the Constitution hanging by a thread.

          • Vis Fac

            Harry Reid only believes in Harry Reid and of course ODUMBO That Said the White Horse Prophacy certainly applies.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Vis Fac

            Harry Reid only believes in Harry Reid and of course ODUMBO That Said the White Horse Prophacy certainly applies.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Vis Fac

            Harry Reid thinks he’s a god of some sort. I think he’s a POS.
            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

        • smilee

          None of your BS is supported by any fact!!

          • Barakolips

            None of your BS is supported by any fact and nothing is going to be forced on us without a fight, you need to recognize that reality because in the end you will lose.

          • smilee

            Why don’t you a least try and look intelligent if you think I am not supported by facts and point out why you think it rather than saying something stupid like this

        • smilee

          You read it all wrong, Reid and Obama hold more than enough power to ignore the GOP on Obamacare and they are going to so, you need to recognize that reality and if you don;t you will be forced on you by that reality.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Sleepee says — “The definition of insanity has been said be doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”. Whatever. I will ignore his bad grammar.
        “Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”?
        Kind of like buying into the same old story, year after year, that the Government is here to help us. And no matter how much “help” they give us, our Prosperity and our Freedom keep on shrinking.
        An example:
        40 years ago, I had an entry level job, and my wife worked as a telephone operator. Our combined income was about $1500/month before taxes. We bought an 1800 square-foot home in a nice neighborhood for $23000. We put $3000 down, so our mortgage was $20,000. Our house payment was about $120/month. We were paying about $250/month because the cost of living then was very low, and we had plenty of surplus savings. Our loan would have been paid off in less than 10 years.
        Try doing that now.
        Back then total Government Spending was about 30% of GDP. Now it is 41% of GDP. What have we gotten for that 36% increase in the size of Government?

    • senior65gal .

      One still wonders why our legislators can bicker over funding or defunding obamacare when they are exempt from it. Are they not part of ‘we the people?’ Goes to show they do not care about us but have to pay the political game for election time.
      The drugged out and dummied down will vote for politicians that push for Obamacare because they love what they call the ‘perks.’ They don’t have the knowledge and/or motivation to come off the drugs and educate themselves,

      What a waste of humanity.

  • Rich39

    Strange.. The GOP loved Romneycare, but hate Obamacare.. and it’s the SAME thing.
    The Republicans in out nation hate Obamacare, but love the ACA. And it’s the SAME thing. Obamacare was too high. But the ACA his not. This shows you how people think in our nation.

    • Scott Shipman

      RomneyCare was a modifed version of Heritage Foundation paper on healthcare options, that included an individual mandate and health exchanges. However, Romneycare was negotiated into what it was by a largely democratic state legislature and incorrectly bears his name. Yes he signed it, because it was created through a legitimate process. However, what was in that original Heritage Foundation paper, and what is the ACA are very different. The HF version didnt have penalties to employers or individuals – it had tax credits. The exchanges were meant to create options, not limit them, and there were no subsidies for goiv’t sponsored plans, there were vouchers to use on any plan out there. The individual manadte applied only to catastrophic insurance, not general plans. (IE if you carried any form of insurance you got the credit, but you could just carry catastrophic if you wanted). Many of these same ideas were floated by conservatives during the negotiation process, but every single one of them were shot down by dems or never brought to the table for discussion.

      So, your talking point is false.

      • PaxMentis

        That does not even take into account that, while the federal government is constitutionally restrained from acting in areas other than it’s enumerated areas of responsibility (see 10th Amendment), those other areas are reserved to the states or to the people. In other words (for those who are “understanding challenged”), that which the feds cannot do, individual states can do.

        • Scott Shipman

          Results from Romneycare include: an increase in medical based bankruptcy, a decrease in people insured through private insurance (attributed to an expansion of medicaid), and no measurable difference in non-emergency ER visits. Mass has about 4-6% less uninsured as measured between 2011 and 2006 (when it was enacted). The penalities in Romneycare are much lower, and the subsidies are funded from already existing funds, not new taxes, and the ‘exchange’ added options, not limited them.

          • PaxMentis

            I am not sure why you made that post as a response to mine. I have made no statements regarding efficacy, since the constitutional issue regarding the federal program makes it irrelevant when speaking of Obamacare…

          • Average_Joe56

            It is a glitch with Disqus. Occasionally it will show a name…but in reality, you are replying to someone else. Earlier, I was replying to (according to Disqus) “paul”…which I thought was odd, because it was exactly the opposite of what “paul” had said earlier. Turns out that I was replying to “Alex” in reality. On occasion, comments disappear then reappear. Sometimes replies are made and end up in the wrong place. Please don’t take offense, it happens here on a fairly regular basis….Disqus has issues….that are beyond our control.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Government never has the “legitimate” right to protect people from themselves. It just takes it.
        “To say governments were formed to protect the rights of men would be historically incorrect. Almost all governments were formed by ruthless men exerting their will over others through the use of force. Some governments, over time, evolved toward the rule of law, perhaps only because their rulers saw that this would sanction their own continued enjoyment of the wealth that they possessed. In some instances, this evolution involved one or more “revolutions” in which those who were governed were able to better establish the rule of law”.
        http://mises.org/daily/3427

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So by your comment you are admitting the fact that Ocare is the new and improved act which has been cooking for many presidencies and now the O care is a done deal. So what you are saying is that there has been quite a bit of deceit to put this in place.
      Mommy and Daddy government didn’t believe that the children America would understand this momentous decision so they had to do it by deceit.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Where do you get that the “GOP” loved Romneycare? And what does it matter if they did? WE don’t like Obamacare or Romneycare. WE like Freedom.
      For Individual Freedom, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, Limited Government, and the PEACE that comes with people not using Government to force their ways on other people — Vote Libertarian!
      http://www.lp.org/

    • Vis Fac

      Two different Animals of the same phylum although similar not the same No death Panels fines or taxes ODUMBOCARE is nothing but people control and has NOTHING to do with Afford-ability or health care.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

      • Jack

        Force Recon:

        Are you saying that the Affordable Care Act and Obamacare are two different programs?

        • Vis Fac

          If you read the post of Rich39 and were able to comprehend the content (which apparently you couldn’t) you would realize that the aforementioned “Romneycare” and ODUMBOCARE are different programs similar in nature but different altogether.

          Only a MORON would think that ODUMBOCARE and the Affordable Health Care Act (which is anything but) affordable are the same monstrosity thrust upon Americans

          You must be a liberal paid shill because you can’t comprehend lucid dialog.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • Jack

            Force Recon:

            You continue to amaze me with your ignorance of basic facts..

            The actual name of the law that people call Obamacare is the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act commonly called the Affordable Care Act or ACA.

            Please educate yourself. Take a couple of minutes and Google either “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” or “Affordable Care Act” and learn the truth, Obamacare and the ACA are one in the same law.

            By the way you don’t need to thank me for helping you learn the truth for once. I’ll gladly help you on any issue that I can. ,

          • Vis Fac

            You obviously either have selective memory or don’t comprehend what I write in my posts.

            By now you should know that my youngest daughter is an Orthopedic Surgeon. I support and volunteer at several VA facilities so I am all to familiar health care Being involved in the health care system she is privy to all the laws rules and regulations.

            Regarding the monstrosity of ODUMBOCARE which you like to interject semantics and trying to teach me what you obviously know nothing about.

            So please save yourself some embarrassment and stop trying to impress me I am not impressed by imbeciles such as you!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Jack

            Force Recon:

            You are the one who has the memory and comprehension problem. To help you remember here’s what you posted just a few spots above this post:

            “Only a MORON would think that ODUMBOCARE
            and the Affordable Health Care Act (which is
            anything but) affordable are the same
            monstrosity thrust upon Americans”

            You keep talking about how knowledgeable you are about the health care system and Obamacare yet you are the one who said Obamacare and the Affordable Care Act are totally different laws when they are two names used for the exact same law..

            You don’t know crap about either the healthcare system or Obamacare. Because you exaggerate so much about yourself, its unlikely that your daughter is an orthopedic surgeon or any other kind of a doctor.

          • Vis Fac

            JACK A$$ As English is not my native tongue and I can safely say I have a better grasp of diction and comprehension of the English language than you.
            When I said ODUMBOCARE and Affordable Health Care Act actually being the same but in reality the AHCA (focusing on “Affordible”) it is anything BUT affordable. This sailed MILES over your head!

            Why is it that you are the only person who didn’t get the meaning of what I said? Everyone else has.

            Since you have done nothing with your pathetic little life does not mean others haven’t and to say that I exaggerate must be an indication that in fact you do.

            I am not here to impress anyone but to try and motivate people into being self reliant and take on some personal responsibility for themselves.

            Since you like being a couch potato sitting idle you cannot comprehend anyone else being successful. YOU ARE ONE PATHETIC JACKA$$

            It might be a good Idea for you to examine the following for these words have served as good advice for me.

            Opportunity is missed by most people because it is
            dressed in overalls and looks like work.
            Thomas Edison

            The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is
            too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. Michelangelo

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Jack

            Force Recon:

            Stop with your display of idiocy.

            There is no AHCA its either the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) or the shortened name the Affordable Care Act (ACA) or its vernacular name, Obamacare.

            Go back to your rocking chair and blanket and relax. You are best to leave the thinking to those whose mental faculties still function properly.. .

          • Vis Fac

            JACK A$$ Since it’s inception the NOW PPACA was labeled the AHCA Affordable Health Care Act. Now since you liberals can NEVER let thing alone and are always trying to fix what isn’t broken it is hard to keep up with the ever changing acronyms. Next week it will be yet another acronym to learn

            You are trying anything you can to avoid appearing stupid and this last bit on inanity of yours does nothing to avert the truth.

            So stop being a moron and know that any reference to the afford ability of this train wreck is a misnomer People being able to afford it is just another LIE and misrepresentation of the DUMBOCRITE party.

            SO your inference of my “idiocy” is merely an attempt to deflect criticism away from you.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Vis Fac

            JACK A$$

            The reason there is no AHCA is because liberals keep changing their minds and label things to suit their agenda Just as they did from “Global Warming” to Climate Change etc. So now I just refer to the mess as ODUMBOCARE

            Liberals change things more often than they change their underwear and it’s had to keep up, and certainly not worth my time.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Vis Fac

            You are a BROKEN record stuck in a rut beside that you cannot comprehend written ENGLISH otherwise YOU would know that I KNOW that ODUMBOCARE PPA AND AHCA (it’s affordable HEALTH CARE Act you idiot) ARE ONE IN THE SAME.
            AND that this falgracarb is just that falgracarb!

            Had you the tiniest bit of comprehension skills you would know that my youngest daughter is a PHYSICIAN and has a handbook of all the laws limitations and in and outs of this debacle. So in a nutshell you have no idea (other than the fact that PPS AHCA and ODUMBOCARE are the same thing) what you are talking about. I do and it scares the hell out of me as it should scare you!!
            FYI the reason premiums are not low is because of the pre-existing clause as with private insurance you can have a pre-existing condition but benefits aren’t active for a certain period of time and premiums are much more costly

            So JACK A$$ it appears that I OWN you too.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Jack

            Force Recon:

            You really have a problem. Either you have a serious problem with your memory or you are a pathological
            liar.

            The only thing you own is the IDIOT Award.

            Give it up you showed the world you don’t know what you are talking about. Quit trying to lie and make like you do.

            In response to my question whether you were saying that the Affordable Care Act and Obamacare where two different laws you posted the following (right now its only three posts above this one).:

            “Only a MORON would think that ODUMBOCARE
            and the Affordable Health Care Act (which is
            anything but) affordable are the same monstrosity thrust upon Americans”

            YOU SAID IT SO ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG!!!

            You say ObamaCare scars the hell out of you. Aren’t you on Medicare? If so, it doesn’t really apply to you because it doesn’t change the basics of Medicare coverage or benefits (except getting rid of the drug coverage doughnut hole).

            Overall, the premiums are lower that current private health insurance policies.

          • Vis Fac

            JACK A$$ Unlike you I am careful as to what I post I’m not to blame if you cannot comprehend simple English I don’t know how to speak MORON so I described the Affordable part of the AHCA as best I could so even a fourth grader would understand as anything but affordable

            It is not my fault you don’t understand that Premiums more than trebled in certain areas making obtaining policies with the same coverage impossible to afford ergo anything BUT affordable!!! What part of that don’t you understand?? You are as dense as Hg (Mercury) and twice as dangerous.

            As for the coverage I have (if any) That is NONE of your business I don’t inquire as to how many joints you smoke each day or how many hits of smack you shoot up.

            As for your claim of lower Premiums Find the truth here: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/09/25/study-on-average-obamacare-increases-premiums-99-percent-for-men-62-percent-for-women-n1709510

            Or Here: http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/03/study-obamacare-spikes-young-peoples-health-insurance-costs/

            Or here: http://www.nashvillescene.com/pitw/archives/2013/09/25/poll-dancing-how-marsha-blackburn-misreads-the-numbers-on-obamacare

            You are hopelessly brainwashed.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Vis Fac

            JACK A$$ YOU have sawdust for brains If you think what ever you call ODUMBOCARE is affordable you are NUTZ The AFFORDABLE part is anything BUT affordable premiums are not what was advertised ( big surprise) Coverage is not what was advertised (Another big surprise) In short ODUMBOCARE is chock full of surprises because “first we must pass it in order to know what’s in it” Only a MORON would pass such a bill without knowing what was in it and because congress is full of MORONS we are in the mess we are in and people like you could care less because YOUR party started it. NO I am NOT LYING If you follow this link you will find out the TRUTH on the effects of ODUMBOCARE in premium rates

            http://www.healthedeals.com/articles/how-the-affordable-care-act-will-impact-individual-premium-rates-in-2014

            Time for you to stop being an ostrich and wake up to reality

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

    • Vigilant

      Not familiar with the Tenth Amendment, are we?

  • Alex

    Wake up and drink some strong coffee instead of that weak tea—the GOP promised to shut down the government, they did so, and now go apoplectic and berate people for doing their job. Whatta bunch of sniveling nincompoops!

    Only on race-baiting blogs like PLD, the laughable Fox News, and, presumably, radio programs such as that of drug-addicted pedophile Rush Limbaugh is this seen as anything but more egg on the Fright Wing kkklownface, another case of the Reich Wing pulling the pin on the grenade, throwing it, and realizing too late that they’re still holding the live explosive….

    There is unanimous sympathy for the WW2 vets. It is only the Republican Party, who set this up, that tries to falsely assign blame.

    • Average_Joe56

      It must be hard work for you…to be so ignorant….so early in the day…….
      Early start…or up late last night practicing?

      • Vis Fac

        Alex in La La Land is not ignorant. Alex in La La Land is STUPID

        Alex in La La Land knows but REFUSES to accept reality ergo Alex in La La Land is STUPID!!! with a capital Ess!!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • Average_Joe56

          My mistake…..
          ;)

    • Scott Shipman

      If you look at the facts, you’ll see that it wasnt the republicans who ‘shut the government down’ but Harry Reid, who refuses to negotiate unless he gets exactly what he wants. The house passed a budget to fully fund the government, except for a few non-essential provisions of ACA (ind mandate, empl mandate and congressional subsidies). Reid is willing to shut the gov down for those things. The constitution states that the budget must come from the house. If the senate modifies a house approved budget, there is an option for committee conference, but Reid rejected that as well. The fatcs are that there are 3 branches of government. ALL of them have done what the constitution allows them, requires them to do. They each made choices and they all should be held accountible for their choices – including Senate Dems and Obama.

      • independent thinker

        Alex and facts are total strangers.

    • Vis Fac

      Alex in La LA Land strikes again. If you weren’t so pathetically stupid you might actually be amusing. The scary thing is you (and a lot more like you) believe all the BS you hear and read from lame stream media and the government.

      Even though these “shut downs” are costing more to barricade than to leave open ODUMBO is making a statement, the statement that he cares NOTHING for veterans the middle class and especially YOU!!!

      You refuse to believe that Honor Flight and not the GOP arranged for these veterans who by the way you wouldn’t make a pimple on any of their asses; to visit THEIR memorial. You view it as a publicity stunt conducted by the GOP so your “Lord and Master” can subject all of us to his omnipotent will. It takes a special kind of stupid to not see what is happening so YOU KGB Smelly and nc are especially STUPID!!!!!.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

    • Sharalyn Ayers

      Really? Their job is to barricade an open air monument and then police it like thugs to make sure they inconvenience Americans, for what? how is it shutting down government when they are paying security guards to keep the public OUT of an open air monument. This is just another example of how this administration wastes taxpayer money… The only reason that security guard needs to be there is to keep a watch for possible terrorists. To deny access to this monument just because the government is shut down is outrageous. If they charged admission and had to pay someone to manage that, it would make sense to close it, but that is not the case here. Just like denying access to riverboats in Minnesota because the river is part of the National Park System is outrageous. The government does not operate the tour boats, private citizens do, small business owners, the people obama set out to destroy from his first day in office. obama knows the people he hurts when he denies access to the unmanned National Parks ARE THOSE WHO DO NOT SUPPORT HIM, that is why he does it… This is harassment, plain and simple. These veterans are likely CONSERVATIVE and do not support obama or his agenda, that is why obama picked this monument to barricade! The majority of people who vote for obama would never have the opportunity to visit our National Parks. The chance of him harming one of his supporters in these outrageous actions he is taking to punish conservatives is limited if not highly unlikely!

      • Procius

        The purpose is to p***n off the most people in order to make them call their congressmen (Republican) and complain about the shutdown. Problem is, that most of us are to smart to fall for this. The shutdown belongs to the dems and they are just trying to blame it on the Republicans. NOT WORKING

      • J.

        Dont be mad at barry, he simply does not know any better. His lack of proper upbringing as a child of the welfare nipple has left him no other choice but to throw a tantrum if he does not get his own way

    • Nadzieja batki

      Considering that you don’t know who drinks coffee and what form or who drinks tea in what form, it is not good form to start attacking with a lie.
      Your sympathy is wasted because the vets didn’t ask for your sympathy.

    • Procius

      Obviously a far left democrat communist leaning socialist or else the dumbest, most ignorant person to ever post his mindset. Anyway, it takes all kinds to make up the world. Oh, and it is a small d on purpose, not a mistake.

    • Robert Wood

      ANOTHER NUT CASE

    • J.

      Wow alex. Straight from the saul alinsky playbook. Make false accusations and name call. So before you run your mouth to me keep in mind I will use my sixth amendment rights and request you to prove in an open forum all facts and evidence against me. Also “Your mouth is not a bible and your butt is not a law book” in other words your opinion is not admissable in court.

    • Don 2

      Careful Obama Cyber-Warrior Alex,
      Remember, Obama is an admitted cocaine and marijuana user. He may take offense at your drug comments.

  • TML

    “The next day, park workers were ordered to erect additional fencing and station more patrolmen around the memorial.

    In other words, someone ordered the National Park Service to work harder and spend more money to shut the memorial than it would have taken to simply leave it open.”

    Can’t argue with that.

    • Vis Fac

      Liberal one dimensional idiot-ology in all its fantastic glory !!!!
      This is merely a ruse to let all ODUMBO’s Malfeasance in office go un-prosecuted. On to impeachment proceedings!!!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Then that “someone” who ordered the National Park Service to set up the barricades is a real person and has a name so can be asked why they made that decision on whose behalf.

      • TML

        According to the National Park Service spokesman Wednesday morning, the White House Office of Management & Budget (which assists the President in the development and execution of his policies and programs) ordered the closing. So, the actual order could have only come from one place – the President.

      • Robert Wood

        OBOZO

    • jaybird

      The National Park Service is probably upset that they had to stop making the pro-Islam videos (3) to set up the fences.

      • TML

        NPS had stated that no taxpayer funds where used for those videos; that they were created using donations for the Women’s Rights National Park in Seneca Falls, NY

        • Nadzieja Batki

          One of “not for profit organizations”?

          • TML

            I have no idea, it just says donations, which could be exactly that

        • Nadzieja Batki

          You mean a group claiming it is a “not for profit organization”.

  • Incredulous

    “Now, someone in the Obama Administration has decided to make it off limits.”
    Come on, people, quit letting BHO off the hook! OBAMA DECIDED TO MAKE IT OFF LIMITS! Place the blame squarely where it belongs! It is because “nothing was Obama’s fault” that he got re-elected.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Obama is just the tip of the Progressive iceberg. The problem goes far beyond Obama. Citizens have apathetically ignored what was going on around them for the last 150 years. And now the cancer has grown to fatal proportions. We need major Chemotherapy now.

      • Warrior

        Amputation of “progressives” is the only cure!

  • senior65gal .

    Why did we not see this courageous action on the mainstream media news? Because it would have been embarrassing to O! May God continue to bless these World War II Veterans.

    • Karolyn

      It was on TV.

      • rwm44

        some networks were playing it as a bad action of our veterans

        • Karolyn

          Not what I saw.

      • senior65gal .

        I am sorry I missed it. Maybe it will pop up on You Tube.

  • MikeRev

    As Glenn Beck stated, we have crossed the line from Nudge to Push. Our government is now a Thugocracy, who act as though their purpose is to BULLY the Subjects (former Citizens).

  • rwm44

    this will be the last chance obozo has to get obozocare passed because he knows in 2014 he will lose the senete and the house will get stronger in the right

    • Karolyn

      Duh, it already passed.

      • rwm44

        not fully funded though duh

        • Jack

          rwm44:

          Its open for business. You know what that means? It means that it is already funded and you don’t know what you are talking about. .

  • Doc Sarvis

    A drive-by media story.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Let this be an awakening. Government just uses it’s low-ranking military personnel for cannon-fodder to enrich the Crony Capitalists. This article proves that they could care less about those people once they are no longer useful to Government.
    Read this to learn what the perpetual wars are really all about:
    http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    DHS Insider: Obama’s cyber warriors & preparing for collapse:
    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52923

    • Vis Fac

      I have been saying the same thing this video has for years. I keep telling people to trade their worthless script into “tangible assets keep minimum funds their bank accounts and REMOVE their valuables in the BANKS’ safety deposit boxes.

      Store what food and barter items you can and try and accumulate gold or silver. Stock pile water first aid supplies and you liberals are going to have a fit over this GUNS & AMMO.

      Learn how to live off the grid I know this is hard for you because you are slaved to your electronic devices ipod-ipad-smart phone etc. these devices have tracking capabilities for the government or anyone to track you. even the photos you have in your devices are time and GPS stamped to aid in knowing where you were at the time the photo was saved to your device

      No this couldn’t happen here in the USA could it? You can bet the farm and a lot more for they (our government) are doing it NOW!!!

      Wise up people before it’s too late!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

      • NC

        Force, So this is how it is?
        We are slaves to our cars so we do away with them?
        We are slaves to our air travel so we do away with planes?
        Same with the banks, telephones that also text,twitter and tweet. modern medicines, modern surgery ETC ,ETC ETC!!!
        What do you have left? All the comforts of the 18th century!
        The founding fathers drew up a Constitution they hoped would last us a long time and with provisions on how to change it when it did not fit the needs of the citizens as the country grew! AND GROW IT HAS! PROGRESSED WITH THE THINGS YOU WANT TO THROW AWAY AND JUST DROP OUT!
        DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE YOUNG FOLKS OF TODAY WANT TO BUY A CASE OF BEANS AND JUMP IN A HOLE WITH YOU AND THE OTHER COP OUTS??? AND SIT AND LISEN TO YOU KNUCKLE DRAGGERS TELL THEM HOW BAD THEY ARE TO LIKE “YOUNG THINGS”?????? AND HOW WOMEN SHOULD SUBMIT TO THE “GUIDANCE” OF OLD WHITE MEN!!
        JINDAL HAS IT RIGHT! CONSERVATIVES ARE THEIR OWN WORST ENEMIES WITH THEIR BAD POSITIONS!

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Considering that you don’t know anything about the people who visit this site or even comment, you have to make up lies to tarnish these people. So those lies say more about what you are.

          • NC

            BATKI, YOU SEE NO ATTEMPT BY THE WINGNUTS HERE TO TARNISH THE LIBERALS??? NONE??? REALLY??
            YOU NEVER SEE THE CONSERVATIVES HERE ALLEGE THINGS AGAINST THE LIBERALS THAT THEY NEVER PROVE! LIES!!!
            YOU DO KNOW THAT INTELLIGENT INDEPENDENTS READ THOSE ALLEGATIONS???
            HAVE YOU EVER WONDERED WHY 99% OF AMERICANS HAVE NEVER BOUGHT INTO LIBERTARIANS MESSAGE! ??? DO THEY QUESTION THE TRUTH OF YOUR ALLEGAIONS IN YOUR MESSAGE????????????? JUST ASKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Average_Joe56

            “YOU SEE NO ATTEMPT BY THE WINGNUTS HERE TO TARNISH THE LIBERALS??? ”
            You folks do quite well all on your own.
            WE try to point out to you that you are making fools of yourselves…but you refuse to listen…
            Your Bad…..

        • Average_Joe56

          I believe that the crux of the message from FR is… While it is good to “hope for the best”…we also need to be “prepared for the worst.”
          Also, the things we take for granted now, will not likely exist in a SHTF scenario….and being prepared to work around those things, seems to be sound advice.
          To do otherwise is pure folly.

          • Vis Fac

            PRECISELY my intent. Too bad it so often sails over heads that need it most!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Average_Joe56

            They are simply in denial.
            They ignore all of the signs and claim “it can’t happen here”….to their own detriment.
            I figure that if they are too stupid to prepare…it isn’t any skin off of my backside…and I certainly won’t lose any sleep, worrying about their well being when the SHTF.
            Some folks are not only “unintelligent”, they detest those who do have it and will actually fight to avoid “catching” any intelligence through osmosis.

            “Refusal to believe until proof is given is a rational position; denial of all outside of our own limited experience is absurd.”
            Annie Besant

            “Hope is the denial of reality.”
            Margaret Weis

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Nonsense is nonsense, NutCase, whether you state it calmly or by Screaming it.
          NutCase says — “What do you have left? All the comforts of the 18th century!”.
          More hyperbole from NutCase. It’s funny, NutCase that the countries at the bottom of this list have even more of that helpful Big Government, and yet their economies are but a fraction of ours. How do you explain that?
          http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

          Big Government has no beneficial role in the advancement of our economy. They have just been along for the ride like the non-productive parasites that they are.

        • Vis Fac

          NC I now know what the NC stands for –“NUT CASE”

          “Young folks” are inherently lethargic and self centered they haven’t been exposed to reality most continue their indolent practices and become liberals. And thanks to liberal one dimensional indoctrination camps AKA public schools haven’t the knowledge or skills to compete in the real world.

          I do quite well with out the latest technical gadgets. I have technical skills that allow me to repair my own equipment either mechanical or electronic. I reside on nearly 90 hectares with livestock and customized amenities. I mend fences eat organically grown food and am healthier than 95% of Americans.

          I have vehicles and equipment I can actually work on without expensive diagnostic equipment. My nearest neighbor is a little over a mile away so I am not penned in by a neighbor that can peer into my yard from any direction. or have to put up with all night drug parties that are common in suburbia.

          So yes living as I do keep me from going insane putting up with idiots who think they are the only one on the planet.

          I won’t need to worry that the police will come banging down my door to acquire “tactical” advantage on my neighbor.

          I can keep my weapons loaded and with me everywhere I go. I am more free than you.

          I’ll take my situation ANYTIME over yours!!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • nc

            FORCE, YOU SAY”YOUNG FOLKS” ARE INHERENTLY LETHARGIC AND SELF CENTERED,
            Do you not remember those “inherently lethargic and self center” 18, 19, 20 and 21 old young people flying the bomber & fighter planes and storming the beaches in WWII and Korea and Nam and the desert wars! If they chose to vote conservative you would be defending them til death instead of dogging them!
            Conservatives think they are the cream of the crop and everyone else is inferior in ability! You could not be further from the truth! I had rather talk to a young person about what’s important to them than sit on the porch with an old cow hand a mile from civilization and discuss cow utters or which cow or sheep is the best ‘DATE”!

  • Ricarrdo estavans

    SHUT THE WHOLE PILE OF STINKING FECAL MATTER DOWN.

  • red neck

    obama is the one that needs to be shut-down.

    • NickCzudy

      How about we shut down and fire John Boehner and all of the GOP congressmen? There is nothing that they will not do do get back their power hungry political control. Then they will force themselves on everyone and take away our freedom. Stay out of womens vaginas. Stop preventing Americans from voting. Stop going to war.
      Stop giving away money to the wealthy and sticking it to the middle class.
      Nick Czudy

      • Average_Joe56

        “How about we shut down and fire John Boehner and all of the GOP congressmen?”

        Give it your best shot….
        BTW, who is this “we” that you are referring to? You got a mouse in your back pocket?

        ” There is nothing that they will not do do get back their power hungry political control.”

        Kind of like Democrats…who’ll do anything (even illegal) to hold on to their political control?

        “Stay out of women’s vaginas.”

        Sorry, unlike you…I happen to like women and their vaginas
        and apparently, they like me too ( sorry I’m not available for your limp wristed type of debauchery).

        “Stop preventing Americans from voting.”

        You mean like illegals and dead people? Those are the only people that we are trying to stop from voting…..

        ” Stop going to war.”

        You may wish to contact your Democrat representatives concerning that matter…..after all, we have been involved in more conflicts during this presidency and this administration… than we were with the previous administration…. (google is your friend).

        “Stop giving away money to the wealthy and sticking it to the middle class.”
        You do know that both sides of the aisle are taking bribes from lobbyists to pass “sweetheart deals”…right? You do realize that Democrats are just as complicit…right?
        I realize that after being brainwashed by the Public Propaganda System….adjusting to reality may be difficult for you… but please make an attempt to readjust…Or, you can simply double down and bury your head deeper into the cesspool of liberalism…
        The choice is yours…don’t ( I know that I am wasting my time, but) squander an opportunity to improve your well being and that of your fellow man.

        • NickCzudy

          Hey Average Joe.
          If you like Vagina’s then try a ultrasound probe on your girlfriends, she might like it better than what she gets from you
          . My women do not need these.
          I am not nieve enough to dobt that both sides are taking bribes, but the ratio is closer to about 80:20 with the GOP being in the pockets of the medical lobby and the Kock brothers and most big wealthy business.
          I do this to try and improve your poor little brain washed mind. You are far too gullible to take all of the bull that comes out of the Right wing bubble.
          You need to use your own brain when you hear a piece of propaganda and you mistake it for fact.
          About going to war. who are you kidding. Obama did not take us into two wars on the USA’s credit card. One war has been terminated and the 2nd will be killed next year. Obama gets full credit for that. You cannot turn this around.
          This is one of the misguided rants that the Right Wing constantly like to use. Illegal voting by dead and illegal people. There have been less that one dozen voting frauds committed in the last elections. & of them were done by republicans. So when will you stop spouting the non-existent voting fraud?
          On the other hand, there are 100’s of thousands of eligible voters that are prevented from voting. Isn’t that a little overkill?
          Also if voter ID is your big bone of contention, why are the days of voting being decreased? Why are the number of polling stations being decreased?
          why are the early registration being decreased? After all, this would give the registrars, more time to vet the potential voters. It is so obvious that voter fraud is not the issue. It is to reduce the number of Democratic voters since the GOP cannot win an election fairly.
          I apologize if I am being a little crass. I am sick of the constant Right Wing Bull that constantly comes out of the mouths of the GOP. I am listening just now to Sen. Cruz, ranting about the evil government closing the parks and monuments, then saying how they are so concerned over the poor American people. First they do not think twice to cut the government services and put 800 thousand Americans out of work. Is this what they they think is some form of job stimulus?
          Then they go out to the monuments and have photo sessions hugging and kissing ass with the people, telling them how bad this is, when they are the ones that have put them out of work.

          I cannot believe the hypocritical crass that the GOP show, when trying to coerce us into their agenda.
          They lost the election. People want Obamacare, We do not want the false agenda of the GOP.
          Get over it and govern properly.
          Best regards
          Nick Czudy

          • Vigilant

            “People want Obamacare.” That’s the title of a work of fiction at your local library.

          • Vigilant

            “People want Obamacare.” That’s the title of a work of fiction at your local library.

          • NickCzudy

            Vigilante. The majority of Americans voted for Obamacare. Those opposed are the same pros that predicted Romney’s overwhelming win in 2012. Your experts like Dick Morris and Carl Rove. Here read this article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/30/obamacare-polls_n_4018888.html
            I have to laugh today as Sen Cruz makes a speech that if Americans voted to de-fund Obamacare, they would get 100% of the vote. He is sure smoking some funny cigarettes or is taking his poll numbers from Dick Morris.
            You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.
            regards
            Nick Czudy

          • Vigilant

            Nick, it’s customary for progressives to preface their lies with a few innocuous sentences, but you jump right in and prevaricate twice with your first (complete) sentence: “The majority of Americans voted for Obamacare.”.

            First: the majority of those VOTING elected Obama, NOT a majority of Americans. Second: a majority or plurality of Americans has disapproved of Obamacare since its inception in 2010. SCORES of opinion polls, even by the leftist pollsters, have borne that out.

            Those are undeniable FACTS, and no devious twisting of the truth by you can change that. Indeed, “you are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.”

            The difference between you and me is that my opinion gibes with the facts, your opinions are hopelessly divorced from the facts.

          • NickCzudy

            Vigilante. Yes the majority of people voting for Obama were Americans. You have nothing but the usual Right Wing propaganda that there was immense voter fraud.
            Nothing was proven in all of the investigations. That is fact. Prove it otherwise. I already have the article of the lady with dementia that voted for her daughter as well.
            NO cases of fraud were found in Florida or Ohio.
            the polls actually show how many voted for Obamacare and against. As well those numbers show people that wanted to go even further than Obamacare to a single payer system. You are using those numbers to say that they are against Obamacare. Those really should be counted with the Obamacare numbers as that is a step to the best system of a total single payer (government) health system. they certainly are not voting to repeal Obamacare. You are in the minority.

            Those are the undeniable facts. Get out from under the Right Wing Bubble and get back into this dimension.
            Those facts are undeniable. You cannot twist that to mean that more people do not want Obamacare.

          • Vigilant

            As expected, your obtuseness is typical of the left and your grasp of simple mathematics is deplorable.

            To return to your original double canard, you said, “The majority of Americans voted for Obamacare.”

            Let’s break it down so you can understand your own comment:

            (1) A majority of Americans DID NOT vote for Obamacare. A majority of Congress did. And it was rushed through, unread, in a most devious way by the Democrats. “ObamaCare was passed on Christmas Eve [2009] on a straight party line vote using a procedural gimmick — the Byrd Amendment — to circumvent the need for 60 votes, a tactic of which Senator Byrd himself disapproved.” (Dick Morris).

            (2) To imply that the 2012 election was solely about Obamacare is the biggest lie of all. People voted for Obama foe a host of reasons: because he’s black, because he’s a Democrat, because he’s pro-union, anti-gun, articulate, etc,. etc. The election never was a one-issue election, and your statement is egregiously false.

            (3) A majority of Americans did NOT vote for Obama. A majority of THOSE WHO VOTED elected him. There’s a difference in those two statements.

            Rounded off, Obama got 66 million votes to Romney’s 61 million. That’s a total of 127 million votes, The total eligible American voters numbers 219 million. That means only 58% of the eligibles voted, and that Obama received at least 30.1% of the total votes that could have been cast.

            Your statement would be correct if you had said simply “a majority of those who cast ballots voted for Obama,” not “Obamacare.”

            P.S. I have no interest in pursuing the voter fraud angle because I don’t believe it was a deciding factor in the election.

          • NickCzudy

            Vigilant. Your viewpoint in typical of the Right Wing bubble.
            1) The bill was discussed in Congress for months. The Dems had a majority and passed the bull through congress.
            The Senate was also a Dem majority and it passed through a simple majority. The 60 vote rule is not part of the Constitution as you know. The Senate has been good to allow 60 votes for most of the stuff that clears the senate. I wish that Sen Reed would have used the nuclear option and dropped the regular vote to 50 votes but Sen Connolly lied to him as all Republicans are apt to do.. It seems to be part of your constitution.BOth houses were voted in by a majority of “Voting Americans” As you well noted. I would not quote Dick Morris as he as no credibility at all. Almost 80% or more of his predictions and clairvoyance has been wrong. His great work on the last election got him fired from FOX.

            2)

            I agree that people voted for Obama for all of the reasons and more that you stated. But the overall biggest talking point from Mitt Romney and every republican candidate was that they would repeal Obamacare. Remember how Mitt said on day one, the first thing that he would do was repeal Obamacare.
            Obama won for many of his qualities, his policies and the trust that Americans got from him.
            One of the points that most GOP make about Americans not liking Obamacare is where there were polls with three numbers. 1) those apposed to itm 2) those for it and 3) those that thought that Obama did not go far enough and wanted Single payer system.
            The GOP have been taking the 3 count and adding it to theirs to make a case that the majority of Americans do want Obamacare. A case could be made that the third count should really be part of those that are for Obama. After all, the single payer system is taking Obamacare a step further and taking away the independent rip-off that has been a part of the American Health Industry for decades. They have been unopposed with no competition and have raised hospital costs 2 to 3 times that the rest of the western world charges. Also they have pumped over 100 million dollars into the pockets of the GOP to keep the status quo and to oppose Obamacare. Have you ever thought that the ferocious opposition from Obamacare was a little over dramatized and did not warrant the rampant opposition? Well the reasons that the GOP give are either lies, petty or inaccurate. One Hundred Million is a big chuck of change that will disappear when Obamacare gets going. So give me a break, The opposition is over blown.
            3) You are totally correct in your points. I cannot dispute that.

            Also you are also correct in the premise that voter fraud was not an issue. I cannot say that for the next election, as many Republican states are trying to instigate sever Voter Restrictions that are aimed at reducing the amount of Democratic Voters. I do not know if this will be thwarted by the Justice department. We will have to wait to see how that goes.
            Otherwise if has been good to debate with you.
            best regards
            Nick Czudy

          • Vigilant

            “…but Sen Connolly lied to him as all Republicans are apt to do.. It seems to be part of your constitution.”

            On the heels of that statement, we have nothing to talk about. I don’t appreciate being called a pathological liar.

            P.S. I’m not a Republican.

          • Average_Joe56

            ” My women do not need these.”

            Because you have no women? You were the one, after all telling us to stay out of those…you incriminated yourself.

            “I am not nieve (sic)enough to dobt (sic)that both sides are taking bribes, but the ratio is closer to about 80:20 with the GOP being in the pockets of the medical lobby and the Kock (sic and sick) brothers and most big wealthy business.”

            Conjecture on your part…your proof? Put up or shut up.

            “I do this to try and improve your poor little brain washed mind.”

            What is it that you try to do…other than say stupid things with absolutely nothing to back up your claims?

            ” Obama did not take us into two wars on the USA’s credit card.”

            Hmmm Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan, Libya, Mali…and he wants Syria and Iran so bad, he salivates over the mention You’re right…not two…. Five and we still have troops in Iraq as well. No warmongering in good old Mr. Nobel Peace Prize…..not at all.

            “This is one of the misguided rants that the Right Wing constantly like to use. Illegal voting by dead and illegal people.”

            Well then, you should have no problems backing up your claims with something other than your opinion…right? Once again, put up or shut up.

            “On the other hand, there are 100’s of thousands of eligible voters that are prevented from voting. Isn’t that a little overkill?”

            Proof? Once again…another opinion piece from you with no basis in reality and no proof.

            “I apologize if I am being a little crass.”

            Crass? No…Stupid, yes. You have entered into a battle of minds and you simply arrived…unarmed.

            “Then they go out to the monuments and have photo sessions”
            The Congressman who was there was Steve King, congressman from Iowa. The Veterans who were attending the Memorial….were flown in from Iowa. Steve King is their representative ( funny how that works). Steve King was there to greet the Veterans, just as he always does ( and so do other Representatives…when one of these flights come from their states ( who would have thought? Not Nicky Pooh). When they arrived at the Memorial and it was Barrycaded, Mr. King Called a few of his colleagues and told them what was going on….An open air memorial that is open 27/7 365 and has never been Barrycaded before during any government shut down….was suddenly and maliciously erected to punish the American people…. Throwing a tantrum because the Republicans are not bowing to his royal Hiney.
            Come back when you have something valid to offer….I’ve had enough of your opinion…try bringing verifiable data to validate your ludicrous ramblings….otherwise you’re simply blowing smoke up your own backside.

            You really need to stop tripping over yourself, trying to defend your position and that of Mr. Sotero… they are both…..indefensible.

          • NickCzudy

            Here Joe. I will give you some of your own logic.

            You said “Because you have no women?” How do you know. show me your proof.
            Everything you say is without proof. I will not even try to look up your so called facts as I know that they do not exist.
            If Rep King was so concerned about his constituents, why did you close all the parks in the first place. That stunt was a pathetic show to the cameras. If he did not bring in the Queen of crazy, it might have been believable. She is the one that is on record on every station, even FOX, saying,”How happy she was that they shut down the government. They have been waiting to do this for years.” You can look that one up yourself. If you need some help, let me know.
            The reason that they have to close public places is for liability that trigger happy lawyers will sue the government if someone stubs their toes on public property. Look it up. I cannot park a car on a vacant parking lot without getting liability insurance. It is ridiculous but true.
            Oh yeah, most of the government lawyers were also laid off.
            I have only seen one example of a Democrat, lady that voted twice because she thought that she was voting for her daughter and she has Alzheimers. This is the one big voting fraud that the GOP have come up with.
            The Justice department investigated all of the various states claims to voter fraud and there was none found.
            In Florida, Gov. Scott claimed that there were thousands that voted that were dead. When investigated, there were found to be none. The dead people had been purged off of the voting lists. Look it up. Gov, Scott was one of the worst one for trying to keep Democrats from voting. It back fired on him, as it pissed them off and they were willing to stand for 20 hours to be able to vote against this tyranny.
            Oh what ever happened to your big claim of wanting freedom as your main mantra. Freedom for yourself, but restrictions on all others.
            Most of your rants are nothing more than the usual crap that is inside the world of the Right Wing Bubble.
            You all believe it, but no one else does.
            regards
            Nick Czudy

          • Average_Joe56

            Still rambling?

            Still opinion only?

            Still nothing but your empty yet delusional head?

            Ramble on……..

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKVp-atyiVA

            Btw, I don’t recall asking for your logic…I asked you to back up your claims with something other than your opinioned…you failed miserably… yet again.

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          Joe, Joe, Joe! You are so descriptive about “women’s vaginas”, but Nikita’s meaning of his statement isn’t your naïvely innocent meaning – Godly meaning.

          As any good liberal Democrat Nikita is for the ‘rights’ for some minorities. And that particular minority doesn’t need “women’s vaginas”. They need …Please think a little bit.

          Do not you know that the sex-education now starts at the kindergarten with the toddlers age 5?

          They will be taught that there are the different types of family: (1) ‘vagina’ and penis; (2) penis and penis; (3) vagina and vagina. (Even more than 30 States have their States’ Constitutional Amendments banning legal recognition of same-sex marriage and civil unions.)

          • NickCzudy

            Alondra, you forgot one. 4) GOP penis’s and donkeys a$$es.
            I miss you.

            xoxox

          • Average_Joe56

            Outing yourself again?

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Nick, may I call you Nikita? It’s nothing bad. It’s a very Russian male Name. I like it.

            But before I’ll get your permission, I’ll call you by your name – Nick.

            So Nick, I have to disappoint you – There NEVER was marriage between the Donkey ass and the Elephant “p”.
            At least until now. I hope the Elephant will not prostitute his People.

            Was nice to talk to you, Nick. And thanks for being always nice. Stay in touch, but, please, avoid liberal tonterias.

            P.S. Next time please come with the truthful information. And please drop your “xoxox”, of cause if you do not mind.

          • NickCzudy

            Alondra,
            Yes you can call me Nikita. That is no problem.
            It is also a pleasure to chat with you.
            I would never lie to you. I promise.
            warmest regards
            Nikita
            PS: No more kisses and hugs.

          • Average_Joe56

            “As any good liberal Democrat Nikita is for the ‘rights’ for some minorities. ”
            We know that LD’s don’t have any respect for the rights of the smallest minority…the individual.
            It’s only for the “special collectives” that they care anything at all about.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Your Dems/Progs/Leftist ideologues created the messes in this country furthering the messes with the help of now existing RINOs, so why are you crying against John Boehner since he is one of your own.

        • NickCzudy

          Nadzieja . Boehner is not one of the Dems. He is actually one of the saner GOP. the 40 or so, Tea Partiers are just hell bent on eliminating government. Then they can run roughshod over Americans, taking away their liberty and sticking their guns in our faces.
          The in-fighting within the GOP is your problem. None of those GOP reps would pass muster to be a democrat.
          Have a good day.
          Nick Czudy

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Simply declare how you vote.

      • Robert Wood

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      • j.

        Two questions.
        1. What color is the sky in your welfare world ?
        2. Do you enjoy being on the down low with your “Lord and Savior” barry sotero ??

        • NickCzudy

          j. The sky is overcast today.
          I am not anything with your lord and maker. He has no place in my life. Keep him yourself.
          You can ask him to help you.
          regards
          Nick Czudy

  • Average_Joe56

    Judging from all of the worthless posts coming from smilee today (And there is an over abundance of them)….I think smilee is extremely frightened.
    As his Messiah’ popularity crumbles and people start to wake up about O and the true intentions of the Democrat Party…. smilee has gone into overdrive with his…”we won, get over it!” approach…. followed up by “it’s the Law and you can’t defund it…or get rid of it”….followed by “WAH, WAH, WAH”.
    These are the desperate acts and comments from a man and his “party” who is watching his entire world collapse before his very eyes…Oh, the horror!
    How sad his desperation must be …to grovel and whine like a child not given his dessert…..
    It’s starting to look like he may get his “just rewards” though…a Republican congress with a majority in both houses…followed by a conservative president.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Only if the people finally wake up and quit letting Establishment Republicans choose the candidates, or better yet — Vote Libertarian!

      • Eric Bischoff

        Libertarians who want to get rid of govt want to be in govt why? They stand with the 1%, they stand with corporations. They only care about deregulating to make it easier for them to steal more money from all of us and abuse this earth as they wish. Fracking anyone! Hey Libertarians what do you support? Fracking Gas or Protecting clean drinking water?

        Vote Green, Progressive, anti-war, Single-Payer, Medicare for all, Protect the environment, Anti-subsidizing of big agra big pharma big oil coal and nuclear, anti-big banks and Federal Reserve, The real progressive left who have never governed you but are blamed for what’s wrong anyway. They would do a better job of SERVING YOU if you weren’t so scared of them and if you didn’t just buy the status quo lies and propaganda from corporate owned and controlled media.

        • Eric Bischoff

          Oh and before some of you flip out and foam at the mouth. Obama is a Centrist bought and paid for by Goldman Sachs and the banksters..

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          How can you hope to enter into a rational debate with such fallacious claims, Eric?
          Libertarians stand for Freedom and Non-Aggression. We don’t stand for corporations or the 1% (whoever that is). We stand for people. You have claimed in the past to be well-read, yet you have not read some pertinent books that I have posted which would dispel such nonsense as your statement — “They only care about deregulating to make it easier for them to steal more money from all of us and abuse this earth as they wish”.
          Regulations are produced for two main reasons:
          1) To give Crony Capitalists special protections from their Free Market competitors.
          2) To gain the Politicians’ votes from ignorant people who don’t understand the benefits of Free Markets.
          You would know that if you read this book:
          http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Ripoff-Business-Government/dp/0471789070/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381017337&sr=8-1&keywords=the+big+ripoff

          Eric says — “Vote Green, Progressive, anti-war, Single-Payer, Medicare for all, Protect the environment, Anti-subsidizing of big agra big pharma big oil coal and nuclear, anti-big banks and Federal Reserve, The real progressive left who have never governed you but are blamed for what’s wrong anyway”.
          Why vote for those things, Eric? If they were desirable, people would purchase them voluntarily in Free Markets without the coercion and aggression that Socialists like yourself offer.
          Those who succumb to the Socialist Siren-Song are playing right into the hands of those people seeking special privileges, i.e. Leaders.
          Eric and his jealous cohorts so blindly seek their Freedom from those dastardly Corporate owners that they are willing to hand it right over to those dastardly Political Leaders. Some choice.
          We are in the mess we’re in because Government is too Big and it consumes too much of our economy. Eric’s solution is to make it even bigger. Some solution.
          We can never trust the kind of psychopaths who gravitate to Leadership to be concerned with our welfare. They claim to be, only to gain their Power. Which makes me wonder about Eric. Why is he so adamant about turning our economy over to a relative handful of central Leaders?

    • Vis Fac

      AJ56

      Further review of Smelly’s posts indicate that he is indeed PETRIFIED his would is starting to collapse. Perhaps he is realizing for the first time he will need to fend for himself ans is ill prepared to do so. Perhaps if he believes hard enough his fear will just fade away (isn’t this what liberals do any way wish problems would heal themselves?)

      When the next evolution of OUR government comes about those who depend on government will need to fend for themselves as their “free ride” will just be a fond memory.

      You can bet the farm there will be plenty of bawling and crying the blues. Until then Keep you powder dry.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

  • David Wallace

    Sounds like it’s time for some organized group visits to some of these open air sites. Think they can stop 30, 50 or 100 visitors?

    • Vis Fac

      They’ll spend several millions more to have DHS secure these monuments as ODUMBO will label us terrorists for wanting to visit public memorials.

      ODUMBO is just mad there’ll be no memorials in his honor and he’s making sure since he can’t have one no one can.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

  • Carlos

    If we could shut down Air Force One and short circuit his teleprompter, what would he do then.

    • NickCzudy

      Carlos. It is good to hear form you again today. I cannot understand why the GOP and all of you under the Right Wing Bubble, keep badgering about the teleprompter.
      Bush could not give a press conference unless his staff got questions approved from the journalists in advance and had pat answers prepared for him. He was unable to talk ad hoc and would put his foot in his mouth if caught with out a scripted answer..
      All of the politicians and business leaders use a teleprompter when giving a prepared speech. It enables them to look at the people when they are talking instead of their notes. Once the speeches are over, the talk off the cuff.
      None of the presidents since I was born, have been able to go off the cuff with journalist and pundits like Obama.
      So I do not understand why the Right Wing Bubble keep trying to use this point, to try to demean Obama, when it is actually one of his strong points.

      It is pathetic how you try to milk non issues. It shows a sign of desperation. This is similar to Benghazi and the IRS faux-scandels.
      Keep it up. It keeps telling us why we should never listen to any of your opinions.

      regards
      Nick Czudy

      • Don 2

        Obama Cyber-Warrior Nick,

        Unlike Obama, at least Bush did not need a teleprompter to speak with kindergarten children, and at least Bush knew how many states in the U.S.A.

        Obama – go off the cuff with journalist, you say? Since when? The guy gives his little pre-written speeches, then runs off the stage w/o answering questions.

      • Carlos

        NickCzudy says:”None of the presidents since I was born, have been able to go off the cuff with journalist and pundits like Obama.”
        Does this mean you were born in 2008, what a miracle. Of course your comments kind of verify that. Reagan, Bush, Clinton and”Barry doesn’t belong in the same league with Bill Clinton.”

        Barry is the least knowledgeable of any President since FDR,
        without the teleprompter he is what he is, an empty suit. This is not even worth discussing, the man can’t speak without someone putting words in his mouth, he’s nothing more than a puppet. “The Wizard of Oz”

        Please tell me what Barrys strong points are, besides lying..
        I have to admit in that category he even puts the Clintons to shame.
        As a president he has dishonored the country, gets put down by most foreign leaders, Putin sure made him look exactly what he is and the Iranian President Hassan Rouhani, made him look like a dunce,

        What foreign leader did that to Bush?, They had respect for him, Ask Saddam Hussien..
        The Prime Minister of Israel knows what Barry is, It’s easy to tell when he holds a conference after any meeting.
        But, you hang in there, Barry will have to start a war, things are closing in on him, like Benghazi, Fast and Furious, IRS, NSA, when the ignorant wake up and find out Obamacare is not a panacea, Barry will meet his doom. that is if he is not in prison with most of his brothers.

        • NickCzudy

          Wo you really live on another planet in another dimension. Get back to reality.
          I can tell who I am dealing with, when you bring up dead issues like Benghazi, Fast and Furious and the IRA. Daryl Issa’s attempt on these witch hunts came up empty and they are dead.
          But I know that after 5 years, you still have nothing bad to pin on Obama so that you desperately cling to these dead issues. It is pathetic.

          • Carlos

            NickCzudy, As much as you would like to believe that Banghazi an the numerous other scandals will go away, they are not!
            They will soon be back on the front burner, I would say most likely they will hit full steam by late spring 2014.
            And if we have a just God, Barry will get his due
            Right now there’s no way he would be convicted even if Congress impeached him.can’t you see Harry Reid and the other Bolsheviks convicting him in the Senate, even if he was found guilty of crucifying Christ, they wouldn’t pull the trigger on him.

            The Democratic party today is nothing more than an offspring of the old Soviet Communist party, It has taken them over sixty years to complete the infusion and now they have reached their pinnacle with their Muslim and chief installed as their leader, he’s not really a leader, just an illusion. The Wizard of Oz.

    • Dennis Smith

      The one thing he said he will, he will-this was 10-2-2013, the media will not mention it. he stated over a live nicrophone that he will use his money to build that muslim temple in Washington DC. His money, are those funds that keep the White House, AF1, vacations, political inspections of Hawaii, Canne, Europe, Asian countries, except Kenya? There is a stench, that is questionable there as to to legality, honesty, and other irregularities. I pray that a responsible party or parties can investigate this.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Yet you are commenting on PLD.

        • Jana

          Sure terri, Dave, and all of the other fake names you have gone under. Who is the lunatic? You have shown yourself royally for what you are. HYPOCRITE , admitted BIGOT!
          NAME CALLER. And you only become a name caller when you are losing!!!
          Yes, You come on this site and show us all what a Liberal Socialist acts like and talks like. YUCK!!

      • Jack

        Denise Smith:

        Did you just repeat what some lying sack said or did you just make this up, which would make you the lying sack.

        IT NEVER HAPPENED.

  • NickCzudy

    Chip. That photo opp was such a blatant attempt for the GOP to try and pin this shutdown on the President and Senate. Does the word “Hypocrite” have any meaning to the shameful GOP Congressmen.

    What does it take for a Congressman like Michelle Bachman, to be so happy and giddy, that she has been able to shut down government and then the next day, she is sucking up to these war vets to be giving them false empathy?
    This is common under the right wing bubble.
    You are power hungry mongers that have no shame on the harm that you will put the American people through to please your extreme right wing agendas.
    You have no ideas and no reforms to improve the economy, but you pick programs that the democrats pass into law and take no shame in how you try to block or eliminate them. Have you no shame?
    69% of Americans see through your rhetoric. You can be assured that your base of Non-patriots will eat up your rant.
    Do you have no shame?
    Nick Czudy

    • jaybird

      Obummer has that down pat, no one can do it as good as he can.

      • NickCzudy

        Obummer eh. Haha pathetic.
        Nick Czudy

        • jaybird

          I am glad you agree that it is pathetic that O has to use children all the time.

          • NickCzudy

            No I just laugh when most of you like to use derogatory names for Obama to make you feel better.. Poor baby.

          • Jana

            Well we are all laughing at you and hypocrite Dave.

        • Don 2

          Obama Cyber-Warrior Nick,
          I agree with you, Obummer is pathetic!

    • NickCzudy

      Dave. Haha Yes I heard that. Did you hear his speech (rant) today saying how petty the government was to close the parks to the war veterans. Amazing how quick Michelle Bachman, Louey Gomert and Rep King they got in their to complain of the closing of the parks. Opps., they were the ones that closed the government.
      They all claim they are religious people and Christians yet they would stab all of these people in the back and then cry that Obama did it.

      This basic lack of morels unfortunately permeates most of the GOP. there are some notable exceptions, but I would put about 80% of them into the despicable, hypocrite category.
      They praise the lord on one side of their mouth and then they screw Americans with the other.
      The only ones that are buying their attempt to blame the Dem;s are the other GOP from under the Right Wing Bubble.
      As one congressman said, We need to not be disrespected. We need to be given something in return.
      Respect has to be earned. A person cannot demand respect if they do nothing to deserve it.
      best regards
      Nick Czudy

      • WTS/JAY

        Nick Czudy: Respect has to be earned. A person cannot demand respect if they do nothing to deserve it.

        Is that why Obama still gets no respect? He’s the laughing stock of the international-community.

        • NickCzudy

          Hey Jay. That is why the whole world respects Obama except all of you under the Right Wing Bubble. You live in another world.
          No you live in another dimension.
          regards
          Nick Czudy

          • Don 2

            Spoken like a true Obama Cyber-Warrior.

          • NickCzudy

            Thankyou!

          • Don 2

            Too bad your job of spreading disinformation for the Obama regime pays only a little above minimum wage, but then, no real skills are required.

          • NickCzudy

            Hi Don. Actually I get paid a million bucks and the good part is that it is your tax dollars. I thank you dearly.
            best regards
            Nick

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Nikita, WHAT are you talking about?
            What are you? On DOPE? Or under the Left Wing Bubble?
            Why are you not in bad yet?
            Your pillow is calling you.

          • Don 2

            Come back to earth Nick. You’re a dime-a-dozen data entry clerk funded by Obama’s political corporation 501(c)4 Organizing for Obama.

          • WTS/JAY

            More like, an Obama cyber-ghoul…or an Obama dung-beetle.

          • NickCzudy

            What is an Obama Cyber warrior?
            What are you called that are under the Right Wing Bubble?
            Bubble heads?

          • WTS/JAY

            Nobody respects him except for the ghouls that voted for him; and some of those ghouls are actually waking up, and jumping ship. Obama will go down in the history books as the worst president of the U.S., even worse than Bush, which i never in my wildest dream thought that it could ever be possible. But low and behold, Obama is worse than even Bush. Wow!

          • NickCzudy

            Actually the majority of Americans think that he is doing a good job under the most difficult conditions. Being able to do anything with a do nothing Congress is quite a feat.
            He is on his way to being one of the best presidents ever. Does that scare you? haha. I know with the rampant hate the the Right has for Obama, that it really irks you. Since you already know that he has done such a good job, that they GOP has dedicated themselves to try and go against anything that Obama stands for.
            It isn’t working. Look at the current battle with Obamacare. GOP are desperate to hold onto something. They will not win.
            regards

          • WTS/JAY

            A majority of Americans believe that the government is broken. 81% of Americans according to a newCNN poll believe that the US government is broken; however, 81% believe it can be fixed. Americans overwhelmingly think that the government in this country is broken, according to a new national poll. But the CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey, also indicates that the public overwhelmingly holds out hope that what’s broken can be fixed.

            Eighty-six percent of people questioned in the poll say that our system of government is broken, with 14 percent saying no. Of that 86 percent, 81 percent say that the government can be fixed, with 5 percent saying it’s beyond repair.

            The 86% of Americans believing that the government is broken is up 8% points from 2006, the GWB years. Imagine that, Americans feel that the US government is more broken under Barack Hussein Obama than during Gorge W. Bush. What happened to that candidate that was going to reach across the aisle and bring change to DC?

            http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/02/21/cnn-poll-majority-think-government-is-broken/?fbid=XAjS5FoZMmI

          • NickCzudy

            Jay, I agree with the numbers in these polls. I also saw it.
            But these polls was indicating that it is the GOP Congress that is the part of the government that is broken.
            You never mentioned that. It isn’t the leader Obama that these people are complaining about. It is the broken and obstructing Congress that this survey is referring to.

          • WTS/JAY

            First you say; “Actually the majority of Americans think that he is doing a good job under the most difficult conditions.” Then, you agree with the poll that claims the majority are dissatisfied with our government and believe our government is broken. You can’t have it both ways, Nick.

          • Jana

            Wrong!!!!

          • Jana

            Obama is a laughing stock of the world.

      • Don 2

        So, the Park Police are indeed working. Who is their ultimate boss(Obama), and who told the Park Police to barricade a simple open air monument? It is the equivalent to barricading a statue on Main Street, and it was done solely to inflict unnecessary pain on the elderly war veterans in an attempt to blame it on the House. Easy to see through…..

        • Don 2

          Obama Cyber-Warrior Dave,

          So, tell Dinghy Harry Reid to pass, one of the House bills to fund the government.

          • NickCzudy

            So tell Biehner to fund the whole government and then negotiate with Congress without a gun to their heads. Why do the GOP get to choose what departments they deem worthy to be funded and which do not. they did not want to fund FEMA, then there is a hurricane pressing. Of course they rush to open FEMA. Just fund the whole government and if they want to streamline government they can do it in normal business and discussion. If they do this with a gun to our heads, they are no better than terrorists.
            Nick

          • Don 2

            The House wanted to fund all of government, and not fund Obamacare. The House gets to choose what to fund because that’s the way government is set up.

            If anyone is a terrorist, it is all of you paid Cyber-Warriors for Obama Project terrorists on these sites.

          • NickCzudy

            Don. Yes you are right. The house gets to choose and the Senate and Obama have the right to ignore these bills that the GOP keep sending them. That is the constitution and I know that all of you are patriots and live by the constitution. Right?

          • Don 2

            That’s right Nick-The-Pedophile…..love that Second Amendment!

          • NickCzudy

            haha I knew you kids would jump on that and rag on it like you do about Benghazi. Sticks and stones. haha

          • Don 2

            haha You said it, no one else. You’re a self-admitted pedophile! Cat’s out of the bag now!

          • NickCzudy

            haha Sticks and stones DON. I know you guys love to name call. xoxo

          • Don 2

            Hey, you’re the one who said that you like little girls.

          • NickCzudy

            Which one of the bills should the senate sign?
            He will sign the clean bill in two hours. How about the GOP send that one over to the Senate?

        • NickCzudy

          You think that the amazing Obama was able to personally devise a script for closing the government personally. I know that he is amazing, but he really does not deal with the fine details of every government department.
          each department has its own plan in place and makes that decision.
          Obama is for the poor vets to keep getting their government services. I do not see the GOP wanting to help them.

          • PaxMentis

            Then why did he say he would veto a bill to make sure those disabled by their service continue to receive their compensation payments?

          • NickCzudy

            He vetoed a single bill to restore one part of government over others. Why do the GOP get to restore their favorite parts of government and not others.

            What are their parameters to decide who is worthy?

            This is just a single part of 800,000 people that lost their jobs. Obama will sign a bill to restore all of government in two hours. That was a quote from today.
            To use your analogy, why does Beihner and the GOP want to block 800,000 workers from earning a living, research into cancer, food for children, Inspectors keeping our food safe to eat, our NSA and CIA keeping us safe from terrorists and on and on. Why just a few in government get to have their jobs back?

          • PaxMentis

            Never mind, you are apparently dense enough that you believe the crap you spout…and truly don’t see the difference. Like the man said, “you can’t fix stupid”…

          • Don 2

            Obama Cyber-Warrior NickCzudy,

            Sure Obama is for the poor vets. He’s amazing alright. an amazing Chicago thug.

            A story just ran from the Washington Post regarding a Park Ranger at the WW II Memorial, who said he was told, “To make life as difficult as possible for people.”

      • WTS/JAY

        Nick: Dave. Haha Yes I heard that. Did you hear his speech (rant) today saying how petty the government was to close the parks to the war veterans.

        But it gets worse. Not only did the Obama administration abuse these WWII Veterans by erecting needless barricades, Democrats in the House killed a bill to fund the Veterans Administration.

        A two-thirds majority was needed on this procedural vote, and it failed because almost all Democrats voted against it.

  • Robert Wood

    SOP— FROM THE OBOZO, TO THE DC COPS —-SHOT WHEN YOU SEE THE TIRES OF THERE WHEEL CHAIRS,—-THEY BROKE ( MY ) DO NOT ENTER RIBBEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • vietnamvet1971

      YEP, ole BS & Mumble Jumble talking O’Butthead is real Brave against 90 year old Veterans.

      • Robert Wood

        MY old TUB was stationed in Viet-Nam — USS HECTOR -AR-7 she was aWW11 repair SHIP. MY Service on Her, 57-60

        • vietnamvet1971

          Thank you for your WWII service.

          • Robert Wood

            AND THANK YOU FOR YOURS!!

        • pnwdave

          Yes, thank you for your service!

          • Robert Wood

            YOUR WELCOME

      • NickCzudy

        Oh and the GOP are really good Samaritans to take food away from 18,000 children in the fast start program?

        • vietnamvet1971

          you are in the wrong Topic this is about how BIG a Coward is your Boy hiding in the WH playing president.

          • NickCzudy

            Well that is the topic that your humble host has proposed.
            We do not buy that. We know it is just trash talk from under the Right Wing Bubble. Things that originate from there do not have to be true.
            Actually they are usually a lot of bull. So it is our solemn duty to set you straight with the unadulterated truth.
            regards
            Nick

          • Jana

            No, its your duty to get on here and disrupt. But you aren’t, you are just a little show and tell on how liberals are rude and like to be bullies.

          • vietnamvet1971

            stick your unadulterated truth up your AH the next time you copulate with your boy partner.

          • NickCzudy

            Vietnamvet. You know that area where the sun doesn’t shine so that explains where you come from. Enjoy. I like little girls. xoxo

          • vietnamvet1971

            I knew you were a Pervert of some kind ALL Liberals are with that Reprobate mind.

          • vietnamvet1971

            I knew you were a Pervert of some kind ALL Liberals are with that Reprobate mind.

          • Average_Joe56

            Ah… so you are admitting us that you are a freaking pedophile?
            PERVERT!

          • Don 2

            Wow! That says it all. You are an admitted pedophile and apparently proud of it. What a sick S.O.B. You know what they do to guys like you in prison?

          • NickCzudy

            Don.

            I knew you would jump on that one. Go ahead and call me names. I know that it makes you feel better. With my birthday today and being 62. I can say yes that I love the young girls.(20 to30 year olds are my favourites)
            At least I can still handle them.
            regards
            Nick

        • Nadzieja Batki

          What is the problem with their mommies and daddies feeding them?

          • NickCzudy

            Well Nadzieja. The GOP have taken away their jobs and food stamps. While the fat cats in congress are getting about $3700.00 per week and free food in their cafeteria.

          • Jana

            Well write to your congressman! you sure have time to get on here and write. Do something constructive for once. Most of us do write our congressmen and let them know how we feel.

          • pnwdave

            I agree, Nadzieja!

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          Nikita, talking about “Samaritans”:

          What the disgraced DEMONcratic “Samaritan” harry
          reid said about CHILDREN WITH CANCER?

          CNN congressional correspondent Dana Bash
          asked reid: But if you can help one CHILD WHO HAS
          CANCER, why wouldn’t you do it?

          REID’s reply was: WHY WOULD WE WANT TO DO THAT? I have 1,100 people at Nellis Air Force base that are sitting home. They have a few problems of their own. To have someone of your intelligence to suggest such a thing maybe means you’re irresponsible and reckless. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0lFyFJeZSY

          Of cause that was Dana Bash fault.

          Or here is another compassionate DemocRatic “Samaritan” – Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sibelius. When she was asked to waive a regulation that stands in the way of a 10-year-old girl, from receiving an adult lung that will save her life, she said: “Well, I would suggest sir, that this is an incredibly agonizing situation where SOMEONE LIVES AND SOMEONE DIES.”

          Without the transplant, Sarah had an estimated three to five weeks to live. Sebelius has the power to waive the federal regulation and help the girl. But she did not help the girl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChXWA4UbGJ4

          Good luck Nikita with your, DemocRats’ O’care.

          P.S. The DEATH PANEL already at work.

        • Don 2

          Nick, as a poorly paid Obama Cyber-Warrior, I’m guessing that you are one of those children wanting free handouts from the taxpayers.

    • NickCzudy

      Can you speak English please? Swahili is not a second language in the USA.

      • Robert Wood

        YO is NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Jana

        Awwww, poor Nick, maybe you need to take reading lessons.

  • Sam

    Our military needs to forcibly remove obama and his crooked gang from the White House. They are criminals. What is going to happen is that obama will create chaos by refusing to guard the borders, send the social security checks, and anything else he can do to hurt us. When is someone going to stop this dictator?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Why are you so eager to have our military become criminals? You are a phony plain and simple. Peddle your rubbish somewhere else.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Why are you so eager to have our military become criminals? You are a phony plain and simple. Peddle your rubbish somewhere else.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You mean he is one of your own ideology, Dem/Prog/Leftist.

      • Karolyn

        Why are you so eager to even bash people who hate Obama like you do? Just plain weird.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Nice try, Karolyn, but Sam and Dave and you are three peas in a pod, all of the same Dem/Prog/Leftist ideology.

      • Sam

        How else do we get rid of a dictator? Just wait until obama goes around congress and raises the debt ceiling. He has to be stopped. How far does he have to go before it’s ok to remove him?

      • Sam

        No delusion here. Treason has no statute of limitation. I can dream about the day he is arrested along with his partners in crime.

      • pnwdave

        The military swore an oath to defend the constitution against all enemies, “foreign and domestic”. So they would be within the legal interpretation of the law.
        So did Congress.
        So did obama

    • woodguy11

      where were you when bush needed thrown out

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    ALL IS DONE IN THE NAME OF ‘LOVE’ FOR PEOPLE
    The Grand Canyon National Park is closed as a result of the federal government shutdown – the budget “crisis” in Washington, not in the WH.

    Gov. Jan Brewer in attempt to reopen the Park has OFFERED
    TO PAY FOR IT with state money, but her proposal WAS REJECTED Thursday by a PARK OFFICIAL who said that AS LONG AS the federal government remains shut down, such a plan ISN’T AN OPTION.

    “I appreciate the support and I THANKED THEM for the offer, but it’s not an offer we can accept,” said park superintendent Dave Uberuaga. (No doubt he is Democrat)

    About 2,200 people who work at the Grand Canyon National Park and its hotels are on unpaid leave.

    “And that’s not counting the ECONOMIC impact in the gateway communities, all of the related businesses, the bus tours, hiking companies, the jeep tours, all of those associated functions are suffering economically as well,” Uberuaga said.

    No doubt he said that proudly because many of those businesses also have OFFERED to chip in TO PAY to reopen the park. (How dare they to do such thing! It’s absolutely not in the Pharaoh plans and less in his EGO-CENTRIC PSYCOPATHIC ‘mind’.) http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/ap/nation/ariz-gov-rejected-in-offer-to-reopen-grand-canyon/article_6781adfc-6392-5ccb-ba7f-a86856847fd4.html

    P.S.The DemocRats’ ‘logic’ is a grandiosely impressive mystery.
    But do not even doubt an iota that ALL they do is for their unconditional ‘love’ for children, women, and some groups of people. I am sorry MEN, but I am not sure about ‘love’ for you.

    • Average_Joe56

      I am not offended by a lack of love.
      I don’t ask for much out of life, just a little food money, a little beer money…and every now and then…just a little.
      ;)

      • http://www.rt.com Alondra

        We have a BIG problem with your ‘LITTLE’, Joe.

        Please, be realistic and do not forget to be ‘patriotic’.

        We can’t borrow more. And your ‘LITTLE’ just can’t include ‘beer’. I’m very sorry to disappoint you. But you know I love you.

        The truth is the TRUTH. You can’t make a bitter Truth sweet.

        • Average_Joe56

          What can I say…I’m low maintenance, but easy to get along with.
          ;)

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            “low maintenance”?
            My dear, “low maintenance” does not include BEER.
            Do not self-deceive. Sorry again. It’s not my goal to disappoint you. But as I see you do not understand the governmental Authoritarian Dictatorship system.

          • Average_Joe56

            “My dear, “low maintenance” does not include BEER.”
            Sure it does…I have 2-3 of those bad boys a year….lol
            I’m the guy at a beer party who still has half of his first and only beer…when everyone else is passed out…I’ve never been much of a drinking man ( don’t like feeling the effects)…but, on a hot summer day….it just might quench a thirst.
            * I did say “a little beer money”…very little.

          • WTS/JAY

            Hey Joe, i’m the same way when it comes to drinking.

          • Average_Joe56

            It’s a good way to be…. from my perspective .

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Guys, do we have party again?
            But this time with BEER.
            Cheers!

          • Average_Joe56

            LOL, Cheers!
            Unfortunately, I got to blow this pop stand for a bit….the house needs my attention…I shall return later though.
            Until then, be safe.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Joe: * I did say “a little beer money”…very little.

            No explanation needed. “Very little” is approved.
            So stop to bargain.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I think that what Joe is trying to tell you, Alondra, is that if you’re going to be friends you’re going to have to give a little, because he’d like to get a little.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Well, guys, you totally confused me with your American humor, which sounds like ‘English’.

            Do not you think, Dave, that that is the Joe’s clever tactic: START with a “LITTLE/SMALL” and end with a “LARGE/BIG”?

            Russian saying says: Appetite appears at the dinner table.</i?

          • Average_Joe56

            OK Dave, what are you trying to drag me into? Behave yourself!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sorry, I couldn’t help myself.

          • Jana

            Thank you for catching that for Alondra ODaveH, as I didn’t catch it either. Some of us just don’t have our minds in the gutter.

            Shame on you A Joe56. You are not a nice person.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            To be honest, Jana, I don’t think Joe really meant it that way. It just reminded me of something I saw on a bawdy greeting card when I was a young man and I was being flip.
            It was probably more my bad than Joe’s.

          • macgyver1948

            lol.. Hey, that was funny, LOL

          • macgyver1948

            Average_Joe… You bet beer is included if we want it. It is a matter of rightful choice here in this country.

          • macgyver1948

            Alondra… I fear your definition of :low Maintenance would include only what the TPGOP approves for all who aren’t affluent. Air may not be included in that desire of theirs for us until they need and want our support and vote..LOL There is nothing wrong with beer for any who want it and can afford it.

    • pnwdave

      and as the democrats keep refusing to negotiate or even talk to the republicans, and keep trying to increase the pain that ordinary, everyday Americans feel with all this nonsense, the more they own this shutdown!
      elections are coming. It’s time to remove these “progressives” from their positions of power. And the onlway to do that is to become educated on the issues, decide if the support you’re position, and if they do not, get them the hell out of representing YOU!

      • http://www.rt.com Alondra

        Yes, your comment resonances with the article I read today in the Human Events:

        It’s THE SEQUESTER all over again.

        While the sequestration was enjoying its fifteen minutes of fame a few months ago, I noted how Barack the Brainwasher made the most of the national hand-wringing by using it as a tool to MANIPULATE the American people into associating budget cuts with an end to fun:

        “Barry made the ‘tough’ cuts, but he didn’t have to…Obama and friends made darn sure to make cuts to programs that would AFFECT PEOPLE in the most obvious ways, in ways that would make news, in ways that would force a sign to go up so that people associate the words “sequester cuts”
        with disappointment and negative feeling. Pavlov’s dogs, American public version.”

        Obama grounded the Navy’s Blue Angels, cancelled Fleet
        Week, and terminated White House tours, among other things, even though he had the flexibility to make budget cuts …

        He’s doing something similar now.

        Obama wants the American people to associate GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN with a ruined vacation, a ruined wedding, a ruined dinner date:

        City Tavern, an iconic restaurant in Philadelphia, has been
        forced to close its doors and turn away booked parties because of the government shutdown. The restaurant, which opened for the first time in 1773 and was frequented by the nation’s founding fathers, sits inside Independence National Historical Park and the building is owned by the U.S. National Parks Service.

        They were allowed to remain open during the last government
        shutdown 17 years ago.

        The restaurant was FORCED to cancel booked parties, including one serving 200 visitors from Japan on Wednesday night, for at least the next four days leaving patrons “angry” and “aggravated.” http://www.humanevents.com/2013/10/03/the-precedent-president/

        P.S. EVERYTHING this EVIL administration does not by unexpected accident, but by design.

  • WTS/JAY

    The Reps pass a bill funding the government (but for Obamacare – which is not supported by a fairly large majority of the American public). The funding bill is rejected by Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and the Prez and it is the Reps who are trying to shut down the Government? Give me a break! Is that what you call convoluted logic? Whatever it is called, the Dems have demonstrated a real ability to make folks believe it. That is well beyond their propensity for convincing folks of the efficacy of their “plausible lies”.

    • WTS/JAY

      The Repubs are anything but, conservatives, and the Dems are anything but, liberals. Both parties are corporate-fascists, serving the interests of crony-capitalists, and for you to suggest otherwise, that there is a difference between the two, is absolutely ridiculous!

      • KG

        Is there a Republican way to build a bridge? Is there a Democrat way to build a bridge?

        The answer to that question will tell you the difference between the two. So, in essence you are a LIAR!

        • WTS/JAY

          The gang in Washington does not build bridges, oh deluded one. The gang in Washington is much too busy invading foreign-countries and destroying lives to build anything. Of course, an intellectual-pervert like you sees that as a good thing?

          • KG

            Your evasive action against my Patriot missile of truth is not working. Tell me, is there a Democrat way of building a bridge or a Republican way? It’s simple enough even you may be able to comprehend it.

          • WTS/JAY

            What you lobbed, KG, was not a patriot-missile, but a turd! I suppose if turds is all you have…:)

          • KG

            So the virgin boy rapist cant answer a simple question. It’s not because you cant, its because you WONT. Which shows you position to be the pile of turds it actually is.

          • Robert Wood

            I will TELL you it is the way the F—-KING DEMS BUILD THEM, THEY ALL FALL DOWN

          • KG
          • KG
          • Average_Joe56

            I sure hope that he was holding it by the clean end…..
            ;)

        • Don 2

          Well, KG, we do know the Democrat way. You pass an emergency $787 billion stimulus bill for shovel ready jobs, then you slip that money into Democrat slush funds, and to the unions to buy their votes in the next election, and the Democrat candidates to run their campaigns. And then you laugh and tell the public, “Oh, there weren’t that many shovel ready jobs.”

          How am I doing so far?

          • KG

            The so-called ‘shovel ready’ projects were ready to start. However, the Republicans in Congress realized that most of these contracts were going to go to Union firms, so they pulled the plug on the whole notion. Instead of going towards construction projects that would stimulate the entire economy, it went towards things like funding pension funds and COBRA benefits to prevent a complete collapse of the economy.

            How am I doing?

            All I want to say is ‘Thank G-d’ because I had Brain Surgery in March of 2008. I have become disabled and unable to work, but my COBRA benefits were paid by the ARA act. There are millions of other people who would have died as well if it were not for the ARA act that was passed

            And if you are upset by that money funding Union members, then you should join a union!

          • Don 2

            Considering the fact that the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act wasn’t even passed by Congress until February 13, 2009, and signed by the president four days later, almost a full years AFTER your brain surgery, you’re not doing very well…..at lying.

            Gee KG, why should anybody, particularly those who don’t agree with Democrat policy, be upset with using taxpayer money, which has to be paid back, to buy union votes and in effect, a presidential election to boot? Go figure!

          • KG

            Don, think about what you are saying and actually read what I said….

            …OK. I said ‘COBRA’ benefits, right? What are COBRA benefits? Here is a good article. My regular insurance ran out of ‘eligible hours’ due to my disability. I qualified to continue coverage by making COBRA payments. By March of 2009, almost to the day it was signed, my COBRA benefits were paid for until I qualified for Medicare.

            That’s why I work Union. That’s why I vote Democrat. And that’s why people like you are actually jealous of what Union members have worked hard for.

      • Average_Joe56

        BINGO!!!! We have a WINNER folks!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Shill Dave says — “Most of us aren’t as dumb as conservatives think we are”.
      Really? Could you send some of those here?

      • PaxMentis

        But he seems to include himself in that category…does that really give you a lot of confidence in the group?

      • WTS/JAY

        Lol!

      • Jana

        Well at least ole hypocrite Dave is posting under his own name today and not under a fictitious one called terri or don2 as he was mimicking the real don2 the other night.

    • Sam

      You are highly uninformed. The purpose of the three branches of congress is to protect us from people like obama and the democrats. One balances the other. That’s the way it’s supposed to work. Obama cannot spend us into pre-WWII Germany or we will suffer the same consequences as the Germans did back then. They had hyperinflation, no jobs and no money because of the high payments for WWI which they caused. Obama has been “redistributing” our money and making us poor on purpose. He wants to collapse America. Read Pivens & Cloward..

      • pnwdave

        Here, here! He’s following the blueprint to a T!

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    Wisconsin GOP Gov. Scott Walker DISOBEYS WH order

    The Hill reports: Wisconsin GOP Gov. Scott Walker has decided NOT FOLLOW Washington’s order to close several state parks that receive federal funding during the shutdown.

    Wisconsin provides MORE THAN HALF of the parks’ funding, so they will remain open with state money.

    The state also has opted to DISOBEY a Fish and Wildlife Service order to forbid hunting and fishing on federal lands. State officials said hunting can continue in the Chequamegon-Nicolet National Forest

    Walker instructed his cabinet to “streamline things and MAKE SURE services are available … It was his direction that let me pursue this further to find out what rights do we have from the state’s perspective regarding contract language and long-standing agreements, and is there something that we’re legally grounded to do,” Wisconsin’s Natural Resources Secretary Cathy Stepp told The Hill.”

    B R A V O (!!!) Gov. Walker. God Bless you.

    South Dakota Gov. Dennis Daugaard had offered to use state
    employees to keep Mount Rushmore open, but he has been turned back like Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer.

    Washington Times is offering the military t-shirt: I SURVIVED THE SHUTDOWN http://www.washingtontimes.com/store/?+=

    • macgyver1948

      Alondra… Wisconsin GOP Gov. Scott Walker is a paid for TPGOP puppet so what would you otherwise expect from him?

      • Jana

        Yes, but Obama is trying to hurt the American people in any way he can. Why?

        Answer: To get his way. It’s the classic punish the whole class for one person’s perceived mistake and they will punish the one person.
        Obama is supposed to be a grown up, and he is supposed to be President, not a teacher of children. He is treating this country like we are all children. This is a dangerous trend.

        • macgyver1948

          Jana… What you are saying is so correct, every word of it, but of the wrong person/side. It is no Obama who is hurting us, it is the TPGOP. See what it going on and being said with your mind and eyes open and if
          you do that maybe you will see which side is really in business pretty exclusively for the Big Corporations at our expense. And you may really see which side is the cry babies who will not budge unless they get all they want. It is the real side who threatened and started their TPGOP Shutdown. Obama and the Dems just will not give into hurtful to-us compromises to end the shutdown because too many of us will go on being hurt by those compromises…

          Please start thinking for yourself. If you are not very wealthy or a big corporations and you support the TPGOP you are against what is best for you. Just a thought. :-)

  • WTS/JAY

    Obama Illegally Shuts Down Hundreds of PRIVATELY FUNDED Parks…

    Yesterday, we reported thatObama shut down a park that wasn’t even using government funds. It looks like this was only the very tip of the iceberg.

    Now, reports are coming in that the White House directly ordered federal police to force hundreds of parks nationwide to shut down — that were privately funded, privately run, and were often even paying the federal government money.

    This means Obama is spending money to shut down parks that earn the feds money — to make the “shutdown” look worse for political reasons. This is basic propaganda, and the media is pretty much ignoring it in order to support him through silence.

    From PJ Media, directly quoting one of the managers of the parks:

    Warren Meyer of Phoenix, AZ, is owner and president of Recreation Resource Management, Inc. RRM employs about 400-500 camp workers and managers across about a dozen states. It is one of a handful of companies that have been managing national parks and campgrounds as tenants for years, through previous government shutdowns including the last one in 1995-1996. Those previous shutdowns never closed any of the parks managed in this way, but the current shutdown threatens closure.

    The campgrounds are self-sufficient and receive no federal funding. No government employees staff or manage the parks. The management companies pay the National Park Service out of the funds they generate from operating the thousands of campgrounds. So the reason for the shutdown is puzzling to Meyer.

    Today, he sent a letter to both of his senators, John McCain and Jeff Flake, asking for help to keep his parks open.

    “My company, based in North Phoenix, operates nearly over 100 US Forest Service campgrounds and day use areas under concession contract. Yesterday, as in all past government shutdowns, the Department of Agriculture and US Forest Service confirmed we would stay open during the government shutdown. This makes total sense, since our operations are self-sufficient (we are fully funded by user fees at the gate), we get no federal funds, we employ no government workers on these sites, and we actually pay rent into the Treasury.”

    Notice that last part. The parks not only do not cost the taxpayers any money, they pay funds into the Treasury out of the fees park users pay. Shutting them down will cost the taxpayers money.

    How much? Meyer told the Tatler that his parks generate hundreds of thousands of dollars per week. Multiply that across his competitors and the Treasury could lose a few million dollars, in what is essentially free money to the government, over the course of the shutdown.

    read more: http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/obama-shutters-parks/

  • WTS/JAY

    “A Corporate Trojan Horse”: Obama Pushes Secretive TPPTrade Pact, Would Rewrite Swath of U.S. Laws…

    As the federal government shutdown continues, Secretary of State John Kerry heads to Asia for secret talks on a sweeping new trade deal, the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The TPP is often referred to by critics as “NAFTA on steroids,” and would establish a free trade zone that would stretch from Vietnam to Chile, encompassing 800 million people — about a third of world trade and nearly 40 percent of the global economy.

    While the text of the treaty has been largely negotiated behind closed doors and, until June, kept secret from Congress, more than 600 corporate advisers reportedly have access to the measure, including employees of Halliburton and Monsanto. “This is not mainly about trade,” says Lori Wallach, director of Public Citizen’s Global Trade Watch. “It is a corporate Trojan horse.

    The agreement has 29 chapters, and only five of them have to do with trade.

    The other 24 chapters either handcuff our domestic governments, limiting food safety, environmental standards, financial regulation, energy and climate policy, or establishing new powers for corporations.”

    read more:http://www.democracynow.org/2013/10/4/a_corporate_trojan_horse_obama_pushes

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Arghh.
      NAFTA is NOT Free Trade. FREE TRADE is NOT administered by Government panels. FREE TRADE occurs in the ABSENCE of Government meddling.
      http://mises.org/daily/1780/

      • macgyver1948

        TheOriginalDaveH… You really do like supporting American Jobs going overseas so the Corporations who go can lower their expenses at the expense of their unemployed ex workers. What a great American you are, :-).

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Spoken by one of the gang who wants to take us to Socialism even though it has proven to be both an experiential failure and a logical failure.
          It is you and your ignorant Liberal Progressive cohorts, MacGyver, with their myriad regulations, overpaid bureaucrats, overpaid Union members, and wasteful Government spending, who have driven our companies to more competitive places, and left our workers with few jobs.
          What makes any economy Prosperous is Productivity. The more Producers there are, the more Prosperous is Society. So when you Liberal Progressives give people something for nothing (from somebody else’s pockets) and inhibit productivity with your multitudinous barriers, the inevitable result is fewer goods and services and more poverty.
          Unlike you, MacGyver, I care about people enough to educate myself to the realities of life so that I can lead them in the correct direction. You, on the other hand, have chosen purposely to remain ignorant. You could cure that, but I know you won’t:
          http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

          • Eric Bischoff

            Paying people a fair living wage is not giving something for nothing. Let’s start with that.

          • Eric Bischoff

            And yes I am against all (special) Trade Agreements. That’s what we should be repealing.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Who determines what is Fair? And whose money are you “paying” those people with?
            Can I get together with a group of people (a committee) and decide, Eric, that you make too much, therefore we get to divy up your money?
            There is only one “fair” way to determine who should get paid what, and that is to let the Principles involved make that decision voluntarily (without aggression) between themselves. In other words — Free Markets.

          • Eric Bischoff

            Thomas Paine, the real founding father as far as I am concerned, tried to warns us. “Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness. The former promotes our happiness positively by uniting our affections, the latter negatively by restraining our vices.” The reason we have such a large bloated government is because we are wickedly out of control.

            And if I understand your way, we would we wicked without any govt oversight. We all know how the free market behaves. It pollutes, it cheats, it monopolizes, it gouges, it plans to exploit and steal like the Banksters have been doing.

            The problem is not govt, it’s the wicked greedy bastards that have invaded govt from the private (free market) sector so that they can get more and more. The revolving doors between industries and the administrations that are supposed to watch them for us is the real problem. Monsanto people running the EPA, Big Pharma & big agra people running the FDA, Goldman Sachs people in the SEC and the Federal Reserve and at the highest levels of govt. That’s your free market run amuck. It should now be called by it’s true name Fascism. Govt bought and paid for by corporations.

            A fair living wage is not that complicated. It’s a better version of a minimum wage and it is different in different parts of the country. Therefore it needs to be decided more locally. You could live on $30K in some places but good luck in NYC or some other big expensive metropoles. The rate of poverty in this Nation is a crime and we should all be embarrassed by it and do something about it. It’s abuse not lazyness that is responsible for it. Many poor people are working multiple jobs and they still need food stamps.

            Unfortunately Dave history has shown us that your free market ideologies have always gone for how little can we pay you. The right to work laws are really “right to work for less” every time. Less for the lower classes so the upper classes can make more. So far you’ve been winning big time and still you want more.

            I know this will drive you nuts but I like the very successful Mondragon model. A 90K employee worker owned company that has agreed that the highest paid in the company should only make 6 times more that the lowest paid. If the janitor is making $50K than the top guy can only get $300K. If he wants more he has the pay everybody else below him more. And they are committed to insure that everyone has a living wage because they are all in the same communities. They can look at anyone in the eyes and not feel shame for how they are treating each other. That’s a fair living wage.

            I venture to think that your model is more in favor of CEOs making $300M while their janitors are starving at $30K. That’s your hypocritical free market.

            Again from Thomas Paine. ” The rise of government rendered necessary by the inability of moral virtue to govern the world.”

            We the people decide. Democracy in the workplace is what we really need. And Direct Democracy Irish style is what we may want to consider. Vote for policies and hire a manager to implement them. Who needs lying politicians who are in bed with corporations and only do their bidding.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Eric says — “And if I understand your way, we would we wicked without any govt oversight. We all know how the free market behaves. It pollutes, it cheats, it monopolizes, it gouges, it plans to exploit and steal like the Banksters have been doing”.
            Yeah we know, Eric, you and your Commie buddies are going to restore civility to our Government, like they’ve never done before in History. What is it like to be an elitist, who thinks he knows best how to run everybody else’s life?
            If people in the Free Market, who can’t make us do anything we don’t want to do, behave badly, why are you so naive as to think people in Government, who can Force us to do things, are going to be beneficial?
            The roots of all Government were in ruthless men seeking Power and Special-Privilege over other men. And it’s been that way throughout History with a few exceptions where people managed to reign in Government for relatively short periods of time. Usually those ruthless men have partnered with Crony Capitalists to accomplish the goals of both groups. With Communists the Crony Capitalists are replaced with the Nomenklatura.
            Our Founders knew there was a better way, but even among the Founders were typical Leaders who were striving for great Power. In fact, there was a large contingent of people, known as the Anti-Federalists, who fought the establishment of a Central Government as hard as they could without violence, but as we know the Federalists won out:
            http://mises.org/daily/2335

            Eric says — “The problem is not govt, it’s the wicked greedy bastards that have invaded govt from the private (free market) sector so that they can get more and more”.
            Those you speak of, Eric, are not from the Free Market. They are Political Entrepreneurs who thrive by working together with Politicians to get special-privileges, as opposed to their competitors — the Market Entrepreneurs — who thrive by pleasing their customers.
            Those Crony Capitalists gained a foothold in Government because people like you were so blinded with jealousy that they became easy targets for manipulation by Leaders and their Mercantilist Pals.
            http://mises.org/daily/2317
            If you would read this book, Eric, you would see how the Government uses regulations to aid their Crony Capitalists. They can get away with that because ignorant citizens buy into their nonsense that they are being established to protect them:
            http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Ripoff-Business-Government/dp/0471789070/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381072812&sr=8-1&keywords=the+big+ripoff
            Here’s a book by one of the greatest thinkers of our time, who tells it like it really is, not how Leaders want us to think it is:
            http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf
            And in this 4-volume set, Murray reveals the realistic history of our country in the Colonial days:
            http://mises.org/books/conceived1.pdf
            http://mises.org/books/conceived1.pdf
            http://mises.org/books/conceived1.pdf
            http://mises.org/books/conceived1.pdf

            If you would read these articles and books with an open-mind, Eric, I think you’re intelligent enough to be awakened. Maybe.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Eric says — “I venture to think that your model is more in favor of CEOs making $300M while their janitors are starving at $30K. That’s your hypocritical free market”.
            No, Eric, my model is Free Markets and Property Rights. In Free Markets, Government does not meddle to give special privileges to certain entrepreneurs. People would trade voluntarily with each other. If one man, or group of men, pool their money and produce goods and services that people desire and buy voluntarily, then those men may or may not accumulate great wealth. If you don’t like their products or services, or are jealous of their wealth, then deal with somebody else. In Free Markets you would have numerous choices of Producers. They wouldn’t be restrained by all the gimmicks (licensing, etc.) that Political Entrepreneurs use to exclude their competitors. Private associations, that you joined voluntarily, would provide vetting services so those people who desired such could make better choices of Producers. Similar to the function Consumer Reports used to provide before they became embroiled in politics and Government Force.

          • Jack

            The Original DaveH:

            The real world does not work the way you want your fantasy utopia to work. Your thinking is utterly devoid of reality.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I am devoid of reality? And yet you advocate a system (Socialism) that has been proven to be a failure wherever it was fully implemented and thus could not ride on the coat tails of Capitalists. What does it take to wake up an Ignoramus like yourself, Jack? A complete collapse?
            Anybody with half a brain can look at the countries at the bottom of this ranking, from Most Economically Free (least Socialistic) to Least Economically Free (most Socialistic) and see that Socialism doesn’t work — no matter how small a percentage it occupies in an economy:
            http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
            On top of the fact that it is an economic failure, and as a result more people suffer poverty, it is a moral failure. To take somebody else’s money against their will, no matter how large your Gang is, is just plain Theft.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA_Yl_JCdFg
            You’re a thief, Jack, and you’re an idiot.

          • Jack

            TheOriginalDavidH;

            Your post is further proof of your delusional mind. Nothing that I have ever posted even remotely hints that I advocate for socialism – government ownership of the means of production because I don’t..

            You have been asked many times to give one example of where in the world your and the Mises economic policies and proposals have ever worked. You have never given one because NONE EXIST.

            You constantly talk about economic freedom and money because money is your GOD. I find it ironic that If you look at the things in life that are really important happiness, contentment, love, family, etc. and compare your “most economically free” nations against the bad, bad countries you smear as being “socialist” it is clear that people living in the socialist countries are far more happier, content and satisfied with their lives than those who live in the more dog eat dog societies that you idolize.

            Your fantasy economic policies concentrate wealth and power at the top. They only serve to create a small group of extremely wealthy people, a very small managerial class, and an extremely large class of poor people with extremely little ability to move up the economic ladder.

            I feel sorry for you and your family with money as your GOD and your small bitter mind,

          • NickCzudy

            Eric,

            the only way the free market can determine the pricing is if there is competition. Look what has become of the Medical industry when they have no competition.

            They jack the prices and their profits, over the dead bodies of Americans. Who should decide them or the citizens? Obamacare will help to level this rape and pillage.

            So if one side of the equation has no incentive to deal fairly, then they will exploit the situation.

            No I am one of the most anti-unions advocates there is, but I see in the fast food industry how the workers are being exploited with their wages. It might be the first time that I might support a union to get a fair wage for the industry.
            Once this has happened, I am against Unions furthering their demands once it gets too greedy.
            I have heard from a few union leaders at strikes that they were not there to get fair concessions. They were there to get what they could.

            That is the point when it goes too far.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            OMG. Are you serious? Government as guarantor of competition? You haven’t got a clue, have you Nick?
            It is Government that interferes with competition. You would realize that if you simply took the time to do some studying instead of getting your information from the Propaganda Media.
            Here’s a good place to start:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

            Is the fast food industry holding a gun to their workers’ heads? What is keeping them from starting their own companies and competing? Other than Meddling Government?
            If you don’t think it’s fair, Nick, then get together with your like-minded Liberal Progressives, pool your monies, start your own companies, and hire those downtrodden workers away with higher wages. Show us how it’s done.
            Of course the Politicians are always happy to gain more Power and Perks and “help” you out, whether they destroy our economy or not.
            If you’re not a shill, Nick, then there is nothing keeping you from reading and learning what’s really going on. The Progressive Politicians are making fools of you guys.

          • NickCzudy

            DaveH.

            I can see that you have never started or ran a business.

            You said:
            “Is the fast food industry holding a gun to their workers’ heads?

            What is keeping them from starting their own companies and competing? Other than Meddling Government?”
            well first of all, they would have to be able to earn enough money to pay the bills and then be able to save enough money to invest in a start-up. They would need to have some asserts that the banks could lean on to lend them money. They like when small businessmen, have a house, as that is usually good collateral. Or they need to have rich parents or relatives that are willing to lend them money.
            So your comment is ridiculous.
            I have been self employed with my own business’s since I graduated from college. So I know what is involved.
            Paying your workers a decent wage, is good for your business. It keeps them loyal. It prevents then from being lured away by your competitors.
            When they can live and pay their bills they are happy and more productive workers.
            I have gone through training loads of technicians only to have them leave for other jobs, when they think that the grass is greener on the other side. Most of them returned and asked to be re-hired.
            So you cannot preach to me about starting a business.
            Nick

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, Nick, what they would need would be talent, the desire to work hard, the desire to work long hours, the desire to risk money, the desire to risk failure, and Government not meddling in their business. If they have the intelligence and the talent, and Government isn’t throwing up hoops to protect their potential competitors, they could find money from investors to get their start. You and your complaining Liberal Progressive buddies, for instance, could pool the leftovers from your exorbitant Government salaries and front the money for them.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH… What the “H” are people like you about, mostly on the Right, who think they can read people’s mines and know what their real intentions are? You, many like you, The Tea Party and those they make the sounds come out of the mouths of people they own or have fooled. Do you really believe God gave you such abilities? This is one of the
            biggest jokes that is people like you. LOL. Question. Is it easier for your side to deal with people who see things differently form you by making up what they think and really mean?

            For you to tell me “Spoken by one of the gang who wants to take us to Socialism even though it has proven to be both an experiential failure and a logical failure”, and think you can know what my real
            intentions are is the joke that is you. WOW…LOL….

            The real gang, you speak of, the Thugs, is the Tea Party and they have you so fooled even if you are4 not a member. I want us protected from domestic enemies such as TP from going to Plutocracy, which could be a Tea form of Socialism, with them and those they support as the controllers of our country.

            I want to bring us back to what the US Founders had in mind for us as One Nation where all our citizens have their Constitutional rights. So, so much for you knowing what gang I am a part of. The Founders
            warned us about the corruptions between the Corporations and the hold they can have on greedy price tagged politicians and even though the
            founders didn’t know anything about Tea, they were speaking of the kinds of people the leaders and creators of Tea are. The ruthless gang is the gang who threatened us and followed through with this
            shutdown. That is very much not the Democrats.

            We have been through this thing concerning regulations before. The corporations are about, among other things, eliminating as much of
            their expenses as possible. The many greedy among them want it even at the expense of the environment and, of course, us. Many regulations are necessary to protect the environment. If we were to eliminate the regulations and leave doing the right thing up to the
            corporations you can watch the environment go down severely along with their expenses. That is why regulations came about in the first place many years ago. The GOP, most of them it seems, are in the paid
            for business of protecting and benefiting the corporations at any cost to us and the environment. The shutdown is yet another attempt to achieve that very goal and to hurt Obama these days, well since
            Obama announced he was running against Hillary.

            There is a whole lot of wasteful government spending, on that we agree. But it means we need to look at all the spending and prudently see where we can cut, not cut only in ways that will only protect the bottom lines of the corporations. We cannot cut departments without determining the needs to the country. If people such as Norquist and those like him get their ways “the budget will shrink to a size that would fit in a bath tub”. Yeah, he said that. He also said he wanted the budget to go back to where it was at the beginning of the
            century. He wasn’t taking about this century. How can a budget for a country the size and development of ours run on a pre-WW1 budget?

            You say “What makes any economy Prosperous is Productivity. The more Producers there are, the more Prosperous is Society”. This is true, without business making profits from their “Productivity” there would be no prosperity. But we have to balance that with a healthy environment and constantly improving ideas, not greed or cutting needed corners just to save money. I want my grand kids to grow up in a healthy and prosperous country. I am not sure what you want but for the Plutocracy to rule.

            You go on to say “So when you Liberal Progressives give people something for nothing (from somebody else’s pockets) and inhibit productivity with your multitudinous barriers, the inevitable result is fewer goods and services and more poverty”. This too is part of the successful brainwashing on people like you to say that. Liberals do not want to give money away to those who are not entitles and deserve it. Social Security is something that is wanted to go down by
            your side. SSI is a thing that must be proven by all applicants that they worked and paid enough out of their pay long enough and be the minimum age. If not they do not get. Medicare is something that many
            who are enrolled would not otherwise be able to afford health insurance. With Welfare I have concerns. I feel no one should get that if they cannot prove need and are a legal citizen. I do not want your money and most Liberals I know do not want your money either. We
            want only qualified citizens to receive. You do not know anything about Liberals except what your side wants you to know. What is it like to not think for yourself?

            “Unlike you , MacGyv er, I care about people enough to educate myself to the realities of life so that I can lead them in the correct direction.You, on the other hand, have chosen purposely to remain ignorant. You
            could cure that, but I know you won’t: http://library.mises.org/books…”

            Unlike me huh. The more you speak of Liberals in general, and me specifically, the more you prove how little you know of people you do not know. I have been telling another guy on this site he is a product of his brainwashing but that is pertaining to how he speaks
            of religion, with you it is politics. For you to say to me I “ on the other hand, have chosen purposely to remain ignorant” is more proof, again, that you know not of what you say. Just for the fun. Do you ever get tired of being wrong so much as well as proving it?

            I know this site you suggest. I have read it before. The read is not difficult to understand. It is people like you that is.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sorry MacGyver, but I can only read so much of your argumentum ad hominem before I figure the rest must be equally nonsensical. I got past 2 paragraphs this time, and don’t know why I bothered with them.

          • NickCzudy

            DaveH

            I highly recommend reading it all. You might learn something.
            Nick

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Me learn from a brainwashed Liberal Progressive, or worse a Shill?
            Surely you jest, Nick? I get tired of slogging through the ad hominem attacks, circular reasoning, and other Liberal Progressive manipulative techniques.
            If you wanted to learn, Nick, I could suggest much reading material for you, but no doubt you would have to put on your necklace of garlic for fear you might be infected with truth.

          • NickCzudy

            Dear daveH I would not try and fool you. Honest!
            I do not have a single mean bone in my body.

            I am trying to save your soul and your mind.
            Circular reasoning. It is called debating. When makes a point, one should have some facts to support their viewpoint.
            Please do not recommend any more reading material.

            I have been looking at many of your links and I can see that you tend to read a fairly narrow circle of Conservative authors. If you widen your knowledge base, I might try and read some more.

            But I really cannot afford to spend as much time as I do here to keep up my correspondence. I have many things to read that are topics that I enjoy.
            For example your two links took me to a biased right wing article on Obama/s birth certificate.
            The Wiki article dealt with all of the pros and cons and dealt with all of the aspects. That was a balanced report.
            thanks but no thanks.
            Nick Czudy

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            A thief and foolish Liberal Progressive trying to save my soul and mind?
            You kid, right Nick?

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH… Oh but Dave, I have to listen and read a whole lot of against us garbage from the Right, :-)…

            This might be a bit shorter for your programmed angry eyes.

            A Speaker Of The House alert:

            “President Obama, Senate Democrats Refuse to Negotiate As Republicans Work to Reopen Government & Provide Fairness For All”. I wonder from
            where, and whom, John Boehner gets his orders. I bet he will not admit the truth on that either.

            That is what the Speaker is now saying but it is all the same as before. Most of the political compromises the TPGOP is holding over our heads will hurt us so the Dems are holding onto what is right and best for
            us. Negations should never be what includes things that will hurt so many of us, as it often does, but reasonable compromise might be ok if no one is hurt by them. After all, even the TPGOP has been
            elected to help and represent us and not ONLY the huge inverters of their campaigns and along with other big money investments. So how come the TPGOP who were elected by their constituents do not seem to
            be working and speaking in ways that favor and help the majority of those who elected them? Could it be that their work is dedicated to pleasing the big money they receive instead of us?

            Shorter enough for you Dave?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            How does cutting Government Spending hurt the citizens? Or are you talking about the non-productive parasites only?
            It’s funny that as the Government grows larger our economy grows weaker, and still you Liberal Progressives hang dearly onto your failed agendas.
            What do you Liberal Progressives have against hard-working productive people, MacGyver? Why do you want to take the Producers’ money away to give to Non-Producers? Why do you think anybody’s money is yours to spend how you please?

            Note, MacGyver (you are no MacGyver), that I slogged through your disjointed nonsense even though you said this at the beginning of your comment — “This might be a bit shorter for your programmed angry eyes”.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH… Common sense Dave. It simply meant it depends on what Government spending we are cutting. Very simple.

            I too want government to be size controlled too but our first priority is to see that all citizens have a chance. We are not America if we have no compassion when it comes to our citizens. We need to take care of uis or there is not need to be called America, we lose all
            bragging rights.

            WOW,,, You ask me “What do you Liberal Progressives have against hard-working productive people, MacGyver? Why do you want to take the
            Producers’ money away to give to Non-Producers? Why do you think anybody’s money is yours to spend how you please?”

            OK, first I have nothing against hard working productive people. That is only in your Right mind and not in reality when it comes to most Liberals but it is nice of you to share your programmed fantasies.
            When it comes to giving money away to “ Non-Producers” we “Liberal Progressives” generally mean only to people who deserve it, can prove their deserving and need. Not to give Welfare generally given to those who fake it or to the Corporations, especially those corporations
            operating in the black as your side tends to do when they can. But thank you for you imaginary impressions of us as usual. You do receive your programming well.

            Oh TheOriginalDaveH…, just as I use a name here that is of a TV character I liked for that character’s integrity and honor and compassion, things you know nothing about, but you are no “original” anything yourself. What are you “original” about for you to include that in your fake name here, the idea of that is totally escaping?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            MacGyver says — “We are not America if we have no compassion when it comes to our citizens”.
            You call it compassion when you help yourself to other people’s money? You have no knowledge of how hard those individuals worked, what pain they endured, or what they sacrificed to earn that money. Yet you set yourself up as an elitist who makes that decision to spend THEIR money YOUR way.
            You call it compassion, following the road to Socialism which has proven repeatedly to impoverish the countries which engage the most heavily in it?
            Thanks, but no thanks, MacGyver, you can keep your brand of “compassion”. We don’t need it.

            MacGyver says — “I liked for that character’s integrity and honor and compassion, things you know nothing about, but you are no “original” anything yourself”.
            Honor? Surely you must be joking, MacGyver. You haven’t got an honorable bone in your body or you wouldn’t be a thieving controlling Liberal Progressive.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH… Are you implying so many Liberals are wanting to help themselves to your money? I, as well as so many Liberals, do not want your money. This is not the point to government programs.

            You aren’t reading what I am saying or you do not understand. It is not easy to obtain Food Stamps, for example. You have to prove eligibility and need or you are rejected. I know a guy who gets about $1000 a month from Social Security, his money from old pay from working jobs. He is all on his own and that is his all his current income. Food stamps told him he cannot get more than $15.00 a month from them because he receives too much from Social Security to get more. He can afford only one meal a day with “your money” for
            the entire month after he pays his rent and bills. Gee, what an extravagant living style.

            I’m “an elitist who makes that decision to spend THEIR money” my way, as you say. WOW, I didn’t know that about me, thank you for telling me, LOL. More of your sides made up stuff about people you do not know who disagree with you. I can think for myself so I do not need you to make up my feelings, thoughts and I do no want you telling me what I have decided to do for others. You cannot NOT be more wrong.
            Do you ever get tired of being so wrong about Liberals?

            You call compassion Socialism. Your ways would have so many more millions homeless and starving. Is that the America you want? Your ways, in your total support for the Corporations against workers, would have workers living from payday to payday concerned about becoming homeless any time accounts tell the execs to cut payroll again to cut costs – corporate expenses. Would your ways include BAINism, the
            investment company that advises and/or buy companies and sells all the assets and fires employees so their investors can make money, as
            Romney did?

            Is this your ways too? Many corporations have anti-employee/associate policies such as Walmart’s. The policy states “For all current associates who transfer to another position they cannot earn more than 10% over what they were making before the transfer”. Off the
            street applicants can apply for the same jobs but since the operative word in the policy is “current” they will get paid within the posted salary range. Even though Walmart sends out an average 3 to 4 email a month to those who have Walmart email address “suggesting”
            the associate go to their job site to see if there are jobs they may qualify for and upgrade their standard of living, in other words, make much more money. How can people upgrade any standard of living with policies like that limited to 10% increase when we consider how
            poorly the store employees are paid? IS this your way? But it is part of the support the corporations get from the GOP. It is called keeping the workers desperate and scared for their lowly jobs so they are better controlled.

            Walmart and many others do not want Unions. They know if unions get in they would have to treat and pay (livable wages) the workers fairly. Accountant pressured firings would have to be very much justified.
            Employees would be treated fairly and Corporations such as Walmart would not want that. Again, this is what the TPGOP are fighting for besides dumping anything Obama.

            Question. How can the consumers, unemployed as well as underpaid employees, buy much in the way of corporate products if they cannot afford to?

            I believe we all should plan for live from childhood. My family stressed education so when I went into the Air Force I started school at a University on the base. After I was discharged I used the GI BiIl to continue that education goal. But there are many people who
            aren’t as fortunate as I when it comes to planning and working toward those plans. Those are the ones who need help with low-interest education loans or training for decent paying jobs. But even many others deserve a livable wage in doing the jobs the execs do not want
            to do themselves and they always deserve to be treated fairly.

            I guess I want the compassionate non Socialist road for our country. I sense you want the greedy lutocracy way but I really do not know you so all I go by are your words and attitudes. If you are not enough affluent for the TPGOP you are working against your own best
            interests. We need to work together for our mutual best interests and not do all this bickering. TheOriginalDaveH, it is the politicians who are our enemies, not really each other.

            Shalom TheOriginalDaveH

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            MacGyver says — “Are you implying so many Liberals are wanting to help themselves to your money?
            I, as well as so many Liberals, do not want your money. This is not the point to government programs”.
            Implying? No, I was stating directly that Liberal Progressives like to spend other people’s money. If you don’t want my money (or other unwilling people’s money), MacGyver, then why don’t you voluntarily fund your own programs and keep your hands out of other people’s unwilling pockets?

            MacGyver says — “Your ways would have so many more millions homeless and starving”.
            Are you really that ignorant? The signs are all over the world that Socialism does the opposite of what it is advertised to do. You can give lip-service all day long, MacGyver, but it will never become reality.
            http://www.freetheworld.com/
            If there are enough of you, MacGyver, to force your thieving ways on the rest of us, then there are enough of you to support the people who are really needy with your own money, instead of helping yourself to other people’s money. Prove your compassion by donating voluntarily.
            I can’t slog through any more of your nonsense without some dramamine.
            Whatever in the world made you think you were a MacGyver? Was it because the actor behind the role is a flaming Liberal? Newsflash — Richard Dean Anderson is not a MacGyver. He just played the role.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH… If you can say of Liberals in general “Implying? No, I was stating directly that Liberal Progressives like to spend other people’s money.” then you do not know liberals. You have been
            lied to and you pass that on…

            You do love to make things up about those you do not agree with. You are on the right side of the aisle with that. I am not talking Socialism but I am talking about our country with integrity and concern for our citizens, something you know nothing about. Your side just wants to save money for the corporations at all costs to everyone else. I am not talking about giving money away to those who do not deserve and need help but you are saying we are. Enjoy your fantasy on us but what you say does not change the reality of us. You on the other hand will fade away if good really does triumph over evil, LOL. ….

          • NickCzudy

            Original Dave. I read MacGyvers words and it was clear and succinct.
            How far did you go through school?
            He explains his opinion quite clearly
            Nick

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I have 2 4-year Degrees, one in Biology, one in Mathematics. I graduated both with Honors. I also have a year of Computer Science under my belt.
            I have 40 years of independent studying of matters Economic and Political.
            I have no doubt that I could humiliate you in any broad-based examination, like a GRE for example.
            Given that you have bought into obvious Government propaganda, hook, line, and sinker, I don’t have a lot of faith in your intellectual capabilities.

          • NickCzudy

            Whoa Dave H.

            You have really told me there.
            I am not worthy.
            I only have two college degrees in Film making and photography. A college masters degree in Architecture.
            45 years of being a president of three corporations with 759 employes in one of them and doing business around the world. I speak 7 languages which include Spanish, Russian, Chinese, French, Norwegian, and Ukrainian.
            I did not realize how smart you are.
            I promise to treat you with more respect in the future.
            my apologies sir.
            I have to go. I really do have a hot date tonight.
            good night
            Nick Czudy

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I don’t know why you bothered with that, Nick. Nobody would believe you anyway. If you indeed were that talented, then you either wouldn’t be an ignorant Liberal Progressive, or you are lying to the readers in an effort to misinform them so they will continue swallowing your Propaganda so as not to disturb your cozy relationship with Crony Politicians.
            You’re rich and powerful, yet you’re hanging around this board? Sure, Nick, whatever you say.

          • Jack

            TheOriginalDaveH:

            If what you say here is true then you are well educated. What you constantly say on PLD proves that you are a VERY Ignorant and self centered man.

            You say how does cutting government hurt anyone? If the needs of children are not met (education, healthcare, food, lodging, care, etc.) then what happens to society as a whole when those children grow up to be uneducated, sickly, unemployable and full of hate and envy?

            Since you seem to share a lot of Ayn Rand’s belief’s I guess you really believe that the world is a better place when (1) it produces more psychopaths who then in turn run things and (2) the greatest good is is best served when everyone only thinks of and acts in their own self interest.

            You must admire – worship,- Stalin, Mao and Hitler because they are just the type of psychopaths that
            you seem to think are so good for the world.

            Your ideas do not better mankind, they will not create the utopia you think they will. Instead they will produce a hell on earth.

            Having a government that serves the needs of its people does not mean socialism or communism. Government cannot exist without taxation. The paying of taxes is not extortion or theft as you often say. It is in effect the payment of one’s dues for the privilege of living in and participating in society.

            People who came before you paid taxes to build a society from which you benefited greatly. You in turn
            should pay taxes to maintain and build upon society to help those who come after you.

          • NickCzudy

            McGyver. Very well spoken. I second your opinion.
            The replies that I read here that really make me laugh are those like the following:
            Obama wants to destroy our country.
            Obama wants to make us all socialists.
            Obama wants to bankrupt American.
            And on and on.
            It is really pretty amazing how clairvoyant the Right Wing seem to be.
            I would like to ask these oracles to tell me what Ted Cruz is trying to do? I know that he started this witch hunt against Obamacare with no end game.

            I call on the Right Wing Oracles to tell me what is in his mind>
            I wonder is I can call on the oracles her from time to time to help me with the future.
            Can anyone tall me who will win today’s Green Bay game?/
            I would like to make a bet.
            I sure hope that you can help me.
            Best regards
            Nick Czudy

          • macgyver1948

            Hi Nick… Yeah, I know. It is not Obama who wants to destroy the country but rather the organizers of things such as this terrible TPGOP Shutdown. It is a “hold us for ‘ransom” tactic. And to say Obama wants to make us Socialists is absurd.

            Why would Obama want to Bankrupt the Country? That would mean his power is defeated financially. I guess they do not think it all the way through when they make these absurd statements but also it shows they do not have a clue about what Obama is about, which is an all the time thing with them.

            Many on the Right do seem to have a direct line to God, according to many of them in their gestures and some time directly in their wording. They seem to be able to know the opposing sides “real feelings and beliefs and desires” and that they can get only from God Himself. LOL I get hit with that from many here on this site who tell me what I “really” mean and saying. It can be insulting but at times their delusions on that amuses me. LOL. I wonder if it is how their leaders want them to be instead of their being self-thinking.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Imagine that. Two Liberal Progressives patting each other on the back for their inane and immoral ideologies.
            If I was as ignorant as you two, I would be embarrassed to comment on PL.

    • Jack

      WTS/Jay:

      I was wondering if anyone on your side would ever bring this up. Glad you did. This is so much more important that 95% of what is talked about on PLD

      Hopefully this is something that almost everyone can oppose.. It’s another bad trade program that will speed up the destruction of the middle class and surrender our nations’ sovereignty to international corporations and secret tribunals.

      I hope that rightie will go to the link and read it even though it is a leftie site.

      It will be interesting to see how many on the right oppose this because big money is backing it.

      .

    • Don 2

      Good information Jay. Well worth the time to watch the video.

  • WTS/JAY

    House to vote on 11 funding bills including child nutrition, FDA, Head Start, FEMA and Intelligence Agencies

    UPDATE – FEMA and WIC funding bills pass, 164 Dems vote NAY

    There is agreement, just announced by Tom Cole, to provide back pay for furloughed employees. The White House will sign the bill.

    The House also is debating a special Rule to allow votes on 10 other spending bills covering a wide variety of the issues about which Democrats and the media have been complaining, including Nutrition for Low Income Women and Children, the FDA and Intelligence Agencies, National Weather service, Head Start, FEMA, and guaranteeing that furloughed employees get back pay:

    H.J. Res. 75—Nutrition Assistance for Low-Income Women and Children Act
    H.J. Res. 76—Nuclear Weapon Security & Non-Proliferation Act
    H.J. Res. 77—Food and Drug Safety Act
    H.J. Res. 78—Preserving Our Intelligence Capabilities Act
    H.J. Res. 79—Border Safety & Security Act
    H.J. Res. 80—American Indian and Alaska Native, Health, Education, and Safety Act
    H.J. Res. 82—National Weather Monitoring Act
    H.J. Res. 83—Impact Aid for Local Schools Act
    H.J. Res. 84—Head Start for Low-Income Children Act
    H.J. Res. 85—National Emergency and Disaster Recovery Act
    H.R. 3223—Federal Employee Retroactive Pay Fairness Act

    It’s unclear how many of these bill will be voted on today, but based on what’s reported, the Nutrition and National Disaster Recovery Act bills will receive a vote. The others likely will follow in subsequent days, possibly even some on Saturday.

    Update 3:30 — The procedural vote on the Rule passed on party lines, so all 11 bills are lined up for a vote, but only the one listed immediately above will be voted on today. The furlough backpay bill likely will be voted on Saturday.

    Update 4:35 — FEMA funding passes 247-164 (note the screen cap below was taken just before two late Yay votes came in): WIC – Passes 244-164

    http://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/House-FEMA-Vote.jpg

    (Sean Duffy ripping into Democrats clapping to deny WIC funding)

    http://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Sean-Duffy-House-10-4-2013.jpg

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    2JimMtnViewCaUSA | October 4, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    I’m too busy to be following the details.
    I _really_ love the idea of abandoning omnibus bills and continuing resolutions.
    But here is my question: is _any_ attention being given to funding these programs at the correct level? Or is this more or less a piece-meal CR? I’m OK with it, but I would hope that at some point the House would do its job and put some attention towards reducing spending. Lord knows, it is a fertile target space….

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    3Ragspierre | October 4, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    GOOD…!!!

    Make the haters in the Collective go on record voting against these measures.

    SHOW America. Go OVER the heads of the propaganda arm of the Collective!

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    0DriveBy | October 4, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that all of these House Bills are just being put aside by Reid; so there are no Senate votes on these bills that can be used against the Democrat Senators in the upcoming elections.

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    0PersonFromPorlock | October 4, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    I somehow doubt those senators will welcome questions about why they just sat there while Reid was blatantly malfeasant.

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    0Ragspierre | October 4, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    Really? You think there is not price to pay for Reid…???

    Harry the HATER…???

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    2MicahStone | October 4, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    William, Thanks for publishing the details of these efforts by Republicans to counter the shutdown caused by dingy harry reid and OBOZO.

    Now, if only there was only a way to get the low-info / no-info / OBOZO -supporting morons to understand what’s really happening !!!

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    0GrumpyOne | October 4, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    They know well what is going on and their apparatus, (The fib-o-matic), is operating overtime.

    And, this minor government shutdown is the preview of the debt ceiling that will face us in a couple of weeks.

    Perhaps it’s time for an all out assault on the White House and Congress by hard working taxpayer/voters to liberate these structures from the current feral occupants…

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    0NC Mountain Girl | October 4, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    I am not worried about lo info voters in a non presdidential year.

    This is not the first time Boehner has heard from the national media and the polls that no one is paying attention to what is happening on the floor of the House. He is the last member of 1973′s “Gang of Seven” who is still in Congress. They were widely ridiculed inside the beltway for their speeches to a near empty House chamber about the House Banking scandal. It turned out a lot of people outside the beltway were paying attention. All the gang of seven had was C-span and local talk radio shows. There are a lot more ways to get around the national press corps to high information voters today.

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    3Tortuga | October 4, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    BS. No pain no gain. NO back pay. This defeats the purpose of shutting down the govt. They don’t work, they don’t get paid, taxpayer UNION rules. There are 20% of Americans that are unemployed and all safety mechanisms but food stamps have been exhausted.

    These government unions put hundreds of million$ in Dimocrat warchests to fight for non-stop increasing benefits.

    RICO all banksters, IRS, DOJ, WH bureaucrats and their political hoars.

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    0Estragon | October 4, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    I agree, it is a terrible mistake to give federal employees what amounts to a free extra paid vacation.

    Considering that they are overwhelmingly Democrats, it was the only thing that might make Obama care about who is getting hurt instead of looking for ways to bring more pain.

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    0n.n | October 4, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    The “Retroactive Pay Fairness Act” should record the people who forced the unfair event. We will fail to avoid a dysfunctional convergence unless dissociation of risk is addressed. The diverse second-order causes for the progress of dysfunction and corruption in societies are well known and should not be ignored.

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    2Browndog | October 4, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    I thought most of these spending Bills were passed through regular order months ago, and are sitting on Dingy’s desk-

    I wonder why it’s never mentioned that CR budgeting fully funds all of the additional spending added by the democrats when Pelosi was Speaker, plus automatic increases which have been compounded over 4 years.

    Wanna know what I would do?

    I’d strip out all of the taxes out of the ACA, then pass it.

    It should be able to stand on it’s own merits (premiums), and the democrats keep telling us it’s not going to cost taxpayers anything (more), and will actually save money.

    Give Obama his precious little Obamacare. Fund it without additional taxes. Maybe, just maybe, Sibelius won’t be able to afford paying her leftist hordes $48/hr to go door to door.

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    • NickCzudy

      Wow. I can’t say that I was able to read all of your blog. But as to the bills that Congress is trying to pass piecemeal, it would be better to know what part of the government this are still not financing.
      The only real solution it to fund the complete government cleanly.
      regards
      Nick

      • WTS/JAY

        Ideally, yes. But Congress reserves the right under the Constitution to deny funding in whatever area and for whatever reason they see fit. Hence, they must go through every item/bill and a majority-vote must be secured before discharging funds. Withholding funds is also a very effective means by which a law/bill in question can be re-negotiated or thrown out entirely.

        Quoting Federalist No. 58, the letter cites James Madison’s comment that the “power over the purse may, in fact, be regarded as the most complete and effectual weapon … for obtaining a redress of every grievance…”

  • WTS/JAY

    Share This!! Not One Person In Louisiana Signed Up For Obamacare

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    Louisiana’s leading health insurance company reports that not one person has yet successfully enrolled in a newhealth care plan offered through the Affordable Care Act … “It’s a situation that we are coping with,” said John Maginnis, vice president of corporate communications for Blue Cross Blue Shield of Louisiana, one of four companies offering products through the marketplace … “It was not as intense as we had anticipated,” he said.

    http://reagancoalition.com/articles/2013/share-this-not-one-person-in-louisiana-signed-up-for-obamacare.html

  • woodguy11

    this site is crap and lies

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      See above for the real liars.

    • NickCzudy

      How many visits did it take for you to figure that one out? haha
      regards
      Nick Czudy

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Obamacare Poster Boy Chad Henderson and His Dad Didn’t Really Buy Insurance:
    http://reason.com/archives/2013/10/04/obamacare-chad-henderson-father

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    Russian Embassy in Libya attacked
    An armed mob broke into the embassy compound in the Libyan capital Tripoli, climbing over walls, breaking down a metal gate and shooting in the air. One of the attackers was killed by the gunfire, and four more were wounded, Libyan officials said.

    Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said in Thursday’s statement that Moscow decided to evacuate the embassy after Libya’s Foreign Minister Mohamed Abdelaziz visited its grounds and told the Russian ambassador that Libya was unable to protect the personnel.

    Lukashevich added that all the embassy workers and their families safely crossed the border into Tunisia Thursday. He said that the Libyan authorities had promised to protect Russian assets and try to quickly restore conditions for the safe operations of the embassy.

    The Foreign Ministry recommends Russian citizens should refrain from visiting Libya.

    A Libyan official said Wednesday’s attackers took down the Russian flag that was hanging from the balcony of one of the buildings. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/10/03/russian-embassy-libya-attack/2915101/

    P.S. Are they furious at Russia because Russia prevented U.S. military actions against Syria? Was attack approved by the Kenyan?
    Just asking.

    • Bud Brota

      Re: The question in your P.S.: No. That can’t be it. Libya and Syria signed a mutual defense treaty in 1980. It could be Libyans simply want non-essential Europeans out of Libya.

      http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1346&dat=19800903&id=10VNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=KPsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6920,442436

    • NickCzudy

      Now Alondra, your article was very interesting. Since Benghazi is your most favorite faux scandal. It is interesting that the Russian one was also attacked.
      By the Kenyan, I assume that you are referring to Pres. Obama. It is amazing how many birthers cannot take a government issued birth certificate for evidence.

      I know that when Obama was born, he had the clairvoyance and clout to have the document forged at such a young age. I guess that I will have to put you into the looney bin with the other birthers then. It is not impossible for the Right Wing Bubble people to think of this attack on the Russian Embassy as another Obama scandal. Go for it. It might keep you out of trouble for a while.

      Maybe you will all move off of Benghazi and shift your energies to this so called scandal.
      regards
      Nikita.

      • TheOriginalDaveH
        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          Dave, Nikita just misplaced his talking points.
          Do not confuse him more than he is.
          Today should be his day-off.

          • NickCzudy

            Hi Alondra.

            Yesterday was my day off. I need to rest at least a full day after being subjected the the vile on this web site. I am rested and back to work. Mind you I will only comment between football games.

            But I hope that this does not offend you. It is a small joke that I think is funny. I hope that you like it.

            regards

            Nikita
            Joke”
            Little Susie was not the best student in Catholic School .
            Usually she slept through the class.
            One day her teacher, a Nun, called on her while she was sleeping.
            ‘Tell me Susie, who created the universe?’
            When Susie didn’t stir, little Johnny who was her friend sitting behind her, took his pencil and jabbed her in the rear.
            ‘God Almighty!’ shouted Susie.
            The Nun said, ‘Very good’ and continued teaching her class..
            A little later the Nun asked Susie, ‘Who is our Lord and Savior?’
            But Susie didn’t stir from her slumber.
            Once again, Johnny came to her rescue and stuck her in the butt.
            ‘Jesus Christ!!!’
            shouted Susie.
            And the Nun once again said, ‘Very good,’ and Susie fell back asleep..
            The Nun asked her a third question…’What did Eve say to Adam after she had her twenty-third child?’
            Again, Johnny came to the rescue. This time Susie jumped up and shouted,
            ‘If you stick that damn thing in me one more time, I’ll break it in
            half!’
            The nun fainted !

          • Bob666

            Yo Nick,
            That was priceless!

            That little Johnny, boy he sure got around!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            I see, Nikita. Your “stick” is broken.
            And WHY Nun would be so fixatedly discriminatory with Susie?

            And please point me where Bible says that Eve had 23 kids.

          • JimH

            I heard the joke as a hungover husband, who’s wife dragged him to church and it was the preacher asking the husband.

        • NickCzudy

          Here Dave. I found a copy of the birth certificate on line. For your info here is the link.
          http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
          Now I did not know that Obama was named after his father and he is B.H.Obama the second. Maybe what is fueling the Right Wing mission to call him a Kenyan is that under Father on the birth certificate it names Barack Hussein Obama as being born in Kenya.
          Do people under the Right Wing Bubble have problem reading English. It is pretty clear.
          Also in respect to your links about how it seems that the USA, is not still chasing the terrorists behind the Benghazi attack. Do not be surprises that when you least expect it they will catch the crooks involved.

          Even though the media seems to get their little fingers into everything these days. There are many leaks rampant. The CIA can still manage to keep some secrets and they will not give a blow by blow in the media. It will undermine the operation.

  • pnwdave

    I think the republicans need to stand firm and stay strong! If they give in on this one, at this time, I think they can kiss the control of ANY part of the government goodbye!

    • NickCzudy

      the GOP have abused the government when they had control. They ran our country into the ground. they increased the size of government, they spent the most money and took us into two wars. If they will do nothing to help the country now then just please step aside and let the Democrats get the country moving.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        What’s the punch line, Nick?

        • NickCzudy

          Stop obstructing! Either help and do something constuctive or get out of the way.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sure, Nick, by all means we shouldn’t resist when you Liberal Progressives reach in our pockets. We are so evil for grabbing your hands.

          • NickCzudy

            DaveH. that is one of the biggest piece of bull that the Right likes to spout.

            The facts are that more dems are business owners and makers of jobs and payer of more taxes.
            The higher percentage of takers are Conservatives.
            The truth is that you like to poke into our pockets and then blame us of doing that to you.

            Facts are facts.
            So if I were you, I would be careful in what you say that is pure bull $hit.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’m not a member of the “right”, Nick.
            And I don’t vote for any candidates who Spend other people’s money.
            There is nothing “bull” about the fact that Government takes money from unwilling payers. Your statement that the higher percentage of takers are Conservatives is just conjecture. But it wouldn’t matter if it wasn’t. When you vote for a man who is Spending money that isn’t his, or money that isn’t voluntarily donated, you are a Thief, Nick, no matter how hard you try to assuage your guilt.
            It would be one thing if you Liberal Progressives made a case that certain goods are “public goods” (still false), but you can make no case at all for Government spending other people’s money on people who have done no service whatever for the victims of the Government takings.
            Just accept the fact, Nick, that you condone theft by proxy agents. Wear it proudly. Quit trying to take the moral high-ground when you aren’t moral.

          • NickCzudy

            I would hate to break it to you, but all of the money that government spends is money from Americans. That includes everyone that pays taxes or buys anything. I guess there is some income from licenses and etc. But it is all peoples money.
            I guess maybe the exception might be that like the mid east countries that can make a fortune with the oil revenue that there might not need to tax the people.
            You might think of it as Americans contributing into a pot and the government spends it on things that are needed. Some of these things might be like maintaining an army where an individual with his musket might not be able to keep a militia. (haha Pun intended)

            Many people are unwilling. That is why they make rules that decide how the money is taken.

            Do you have any other ideas.
            Look at this week alone. You might think that no one needs to keep monuments open. I do not want to pay any of my money for that.
            Well behold all of the GOP that started to belly ached to keep them open.
            How about the food inspectors that keep our food safe. All you need is another infection or flu to hit and then in hind site, you would then decide that maybe it would be a good idea to keep them working also. On and on it goes. that is why we have government.
            I will continue to make the moral high ground as I am very moral.

            Oh I know, the big guy upstairs talks to you and he is telling you that I am not a moral person.

            Busted.
            well I need to go out now as I have a hot date with a little girl. (She is 32 years old.) hmmm. Be back after midnight.
            cheers
            Nick Czudy
            Oh to comment on your other mail. I really an independent and not a shill. I am just disgusted with the performance and rhetoric of the Right Wing in the last 5 years. I am embarrassed to claim to follow any of your causes now.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Poor girl. Are you going to demand sex after you have paid for her dinner, without having agreed on that prior to dinner?
            Nobody upstairs talks to me, I’m an atheist.

          • NickCzudy

            DaveH. You are a little confused. Women that you negotiate in advance for sex are called prostitutes. Women that give it freely need to be pursued and finessed.
            I am happy to hear that you are an atheist. that at least will remove one source of misinformation.
            thanks
            Nick Czudy

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            As I should have expected, my point went right over your head.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Nick says — “I would hate to break it to you, but all of the money that government spends is money from Americans”.
            Non sequitur.

            Nick says — “You might think of it as Americans contributing into a pot and the government spends it on things that are needed”.
            That’s a very informative statement. NOT.

            Nick says — “Some of these things might be like maintaining an army where an individual with his musket might not be able to keep a militia. (haha Pun intended)”.
            Wow. Witty.

            Nick says — “Many people are unwilling. That is why they make rules that decide how the money is taken”.
            Ohhh. All this complex reasoning is making my head hurt.

            Nick says — “How about the food inspectors that keep our food safe. All you need is another infection or flu to hit and then in hind site, you would then decide that maybe it would be a good idea to keep them working also”.
            Flues are spread by human contact or by inhalation of airborne particles. And they are caused by sub-microscopic viruses. Normal food inspection will not reveal them.
            Food poisoning is specific to the consumer of the food in most cases. And no sane company owner wants to poison his customers or it’s bye-bye company generally.
            Food Inspection:
            http://archive.mises.org/11661/government-food-safety/
            http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Meat_packing

            Nick says — “I will continue to make the moral high ground as I am very moral”.
            Make? I think, Nick, that you have morality confused with ignorance.

          • Eric Bischoff

            To The OriginalDaveH
            Speaking of hands in others pockets

            Wall Street and the Politicians Next Take Down
            Public sector pensions
            $ 2.6T Retirement funds for State & Municipal employees
            Pre 2008
            Wall Street swindled Pension funds by selling them on investing into CDO Mortgage derived AAA rated (not) securities. It blew up and they lost lots of money

            Now the banksters are saying
            oh look the pension funds are underfunded
            We’d have to take more out of current paychecks
            but they wouldn’t have anything left so
            we’ll just cut back on their benefits
            and we’ll give all the funds to Lloyd Blankfein, Jamie Diamond and his merry gang of bankster thugs and We’ll Call it Pension Reform.
            I know you hate Unions but a pension is a promise, it’s earned and paid for. Unions need to be made aware of this. They’re the ones getting screwed. People just trusted this

            Old structure was 40% in Bonds and 60% in stock
            Now these Banksters are saying these need to be diversified into Hedge Funds, Private Equity Funds, Venture Capital Funds, the very stuff that blew up the market

            How much longer are we going to put up with these greedy bastards!. This is happening all over the country and It’s bi-partisan. Yes believe it or not when it comes to grabbing other people’s money, they can agree.

            I guess low wages wasn’t enough, they want it all.

            Whose side are you on this one Dave?
            Like I am ever going to get an answer form you on any issues or specific points.

            Come to think of it you’d make a great politician. You never answer a direct question and you seem to have have a complete lack of compassion and empathy for others. You seem to only respect money or people who have it.

          • Eric Bischoff

            Oh Bull you are exactly like Tea Party. Pretending to be independents but joining and voting Republicans all the way.

          • NickCzudy

            All politicians spend other peoples money.
            Where have you been. They produce and earn nothing.

          • Bud Brota

            “the GOP have

            1] abused the government when they had control. They
            2] ran our country into the ground. they
            3] increased the size of government,
            4] they spent the most money[*] and
            5] took us into two wars.”

            Guilty on all charges except [*] the current regime has added to the debt substantial amounts at unprecedented rates, and their term isn’t over yet. The next question is, how has this regime done any better than former Republican administrations?

            They have:
            1] abused the government [since] they had control. They
            2] ran our country into the ground. they
            3] increased the size of government,
            4] they spent the most money[*] and
            5] took us into two wars.” (Libya, working on Syria)

            He promised hope and change 5 years ago and it will be 6 years from his first month in office (almost 7) before the first troops come home from Afghanistan as promised.

            I submit the Democrats have done no better than former Republican administrations. In one respect, they have done undeniably worse: ONLY DEMOCRATS VOTED FOR THE PATIENT PROTECTION AND AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.

            As far as “The higher percentage of takers are Conservatives,” goes, I would agree that the biggest takers are the folks in the military-industrial complex who receive mega-handouts. However, when it comes to shear numbers of takers, are you speaking of all the Conservative Republican welfare recipients who voted for our current President, and accepted his free phone; the ones Mitt Romney denominated as the 47%ers? Do you have an aversion to history and mathematics?

          • NickCzudy

            Hey Bud, Thanks for your reply. I would like to disagree with your 5 points from above about the current admin.

            1] abused the government [since] they had control. They
            2] ran our country into the ground. they
            3] increased the size of government,
            4] they spent the most money[*] and
            5] took us into two wars.” (Libya, working on Syria)

            1) This statement is a general statement that is based more on the GOP hatred on Obama than fact. Just how has he abused the government? Fixing the economy? Getting us out of the recession? I do not know, tell me please.
            2) The country was run into the ground and Obama did miracles to keep the country from tanking.
            3) he actually decreased the size of government. There are 175,000 less government employees that before. they have cut costs in every department.
            4) The percent versus the GOP is the the highest. He has been lowering the deficit every year. Now it is about 450 billion from 1.1 trillion. If supported, he would have balanced it in two more years. The GOP budgets are talking about 10 more years to balance it.
            5) We did not go into Libya and Syria. That exactly shows his reluctance to get the USA into more wars. Next year, he will conclude the war in Afghanistan. He has started no new wars. He has killed Bin Laden and put a big hurt on Al Quaida and other terrorists. He was accused of being soft during his election, he has proven otherwise. He is being firm on not negotiating the debt ceiling with Congress and they you will accuse his of being too tough. The GOP cannot make up their mind what to accuse Obama of. We all know the GOP policy is go against anything that he does. That means that they have no good ideas of their own as to governing and the economy.

            the free phone so called battle cry has been proven to be bull. I am surprised that you are still beating that one.

            That is just the point. You do not look at history and math as to top down economics does not and did not work. That is the GOP mantra. It does not work.

          • Bud Brota

            The 5 points were taken directly from your previous post. I will respond to point 1]. He has used the IRS to frustrate the applications for tax exemptions by non-BHO-approved organizations. He modified the Dream Act without the approval of Congress. He deliberately misrepresented to the American People and the World the reason(s) for the Benghazi attack. His State Dept. has made Benghazi survivors sign non-disclosure agreements. His Attorney General is currently in contempt of Congress. His Secretary of State signed a treaty without the approval of the Senate. For a more comprehensive list see: http://tisaboutfreedom.wordpress.com/2013/03/27/a-list-of-obamas-constitutional-violations/

          • Eric Bischoff

            To The OriginalDaveH

            That’s right you are pure evil. Your kind and ideology has orchestrated a massive theft that is still ongoing. Interest rates manipulation is theft from all of us. It’s amazing to me how you will support business oppressing labor to keep wages as low as possible but you never question or go after the cost of capital. If we had Public Banking we could control and lower the cost of capital instead of always going after wages. The system you advocate is completely rigged in favor of the wealthy ruling class and it is stealing from the masses.

            How many of you know that when you deposit money in your bank, you do not own the deposit. you become a creditor of the bank. Money is owned by the bank and they treat it as a liability owed to you. But If the banks gets in trouble. In the new bankruptcy laws, Banks have special treatment, they get to sieze depositors funds and turn it into their own capital. Then Derivative claimants get their money first and You the depositor don’t stand a chance. Get in line! Good luck. Fraud is baked into the system. And still Libertarians want less regulations.

            Just to put that into perspective of what could happen if they screw up again and they will. Dodd Frank states that they cannot be bailed out by taxpayers. So they will grab your deposits and pay back derivative and hedge funds first. Mind you these are the ones who have been and continue to blow things up.

            Banking Deposits = 1+ Trillion

            FDIC can only cover 27 Billion

            Derivatives Bubble

            BofA & Chase have 10+ Trillions Derivatives exposure

            Move your money now to local credit unions and better yet demand that your state institute a Public Bank.

            I am sorry but reaching in those deep pockets to take back what was stolen from you and what should have been yours all along paints a different picture. Shaking a greedy bunch upside down when they won’t share is also a different picture. But I don’t see you understanding this anytime soon.

            Every time a business or a wealthy person buys a politician and gets them to bend the rules in their favor even though they promised something entirely different to get elected, that’s theft pretending to love the free market system and capitalism.

            Every time a Walmart or any other big box store makes secret deals with whatever politician promised them free rent, fast track permitting, no taxes, they are stealing from and destroying that community. Their lowest price promise comes from the fact that they pay the lowest wages with no benefits and they chase the lowest wages and prices worldwide so that you can fill your house with more unnecessary plastic junk. They destroy the small businesses in local communities and they are a big part of why manufacturing has been outsourced overseas. 80% of what you buy at Walmart comes from China.

            So again who has their hands in whose pockets?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Eric the Red has stooped to new lows.
            Imagine that — An elitist Commie Pig who wants to saddle the people with tyranny and poverty to satisfy his egregious envy of other people’s money — calling me evil.

          • Eric Bischoff

            To DaveH
            I’ve said this before about your comments or lack of debating skills. So I’ll repeat it again and again…

            “Like I am ever going to get an answer form you on any issues or specific points.

            Come to think of it you’d make a great politician. You never answer a direct question and you seem to have have a complete lack of compassion and empathy for others. You seem to only respect money or people who have it.”

            If I am anything I am green. And being green is not being an elitist commie pig. But on the other hand I’d rather be called a commie pig if that’s how you see my ideas rather than a Fascist pig if you know what I mean!

          • NickCzudy

            DaveH. It would really be more productive if you debated your viewpoint on the facts instead of resorting to name calling. It is pathetic. It does not help your cause.
            Nick

          • NickCzudy

            DaveH,

            You republicans have been reaching into our pockets for too long. You are the biggest moochers of government dole outs. What I cannot understand is the gall that you have to be the ones that are complaining about it.
            The majority of the government taxes come from DEM business’s. The difference with us is that when you are truly in need, we will gladly give to better your plight. Take Katrina for example. We would not pull a Sandy Hook like the GOP did when it was their turn to be generous.
            You all profess to be religious, but do not seem to follow your own doctrine.

          • NickCzudy

            DaveH,

            You republicans have been reaching into our pockets for too long. You are the biggest moochers of government dole outs. What I cannot understand is the gall that you have to be the ones that are complaining about it.
            The majority of the government taxes come from DEM business’s. The difference with us is that when you are truly in need, we will gladly give to better your plight. Take Katrina for example. We would not pull a Sandy Hook like the GOP did when it was their turn to be generous.
            You all profess to be religious, but do not seem to follow your own doctrine.

    • NickCzudy

      I think that they should give in on this tactic or they will use it every time the opportunity arises and it will eventually screw our economy.
      the Dems are correct to not give in on this strong armed and irresponsible tactic. We had our credit rating decreased for the first time in history the last time they tried this. The economy is recovering and they are determined to send it back into a tailspin and of coarse then blame it on Obama.

  • rmwayne

    Obama is the most petty crybaby ever to infest the White House. Words can’t describe how despicable this worthless termite is. If I were a WWII vet I would have more respect for Hitler, Tojo and Mussolini than this no good S.O.B. who is now squatting illegally in the White House.

    • NickCzudy

      I have not seen Obama cry. Your rant is typical for the extreme idiots that follow the Right Wing Bubble Bull. Hitler would have liked your boys for his scout group.

      • Don 2

        NickCzudy,

        Aren’t you sick of being employed in this unskilled, useful idiot, barely above minimum wage, Organizing for Obama funded “Cyber-Warrior for Obama Project” with its mission of spreading misinformation and “Diverting, Disrupting and Destroying” Libertarian, Conservative, Pro-Life, and Religious websites?

        • NickCzudy

          Don2. on the contrary, I am making a very good salary thanks to your tax dollars. My mission is to disseminate the truth, challenge the bull that is spread from under the Right Wing Bubble, save a few poor souls from delusion and the harm that it will cost all of us Americans.
          Religion is basically a lie and is a means of pacifying the masses to put their fears into someone else s hands. To take the responsibility from yourself to some supreme being. This takes away the responsibility from you and you no longer have to think on your own.
          I am anti-union, I believe in helping the poor and unfortunate, even though I am not religious. I am for leveling the gap between the rich and the middle class. This will improve the economy. I do not need more guns and would like to see some common sense regulations.

          Obama has been the best Libertarian in the last 30 years. He has decreased the size and spending of government at a faster rate than his predecessors.
          I believe a woman can make a decision on an abortion with the consultation of her family and doctor and not some white, old, politicians making that decision for her.
          As for the rest of Libertarian and Conservative ideologies you can keep then for yourself. I would be dismayed if they were shoved onto the population.
          warm regards
          Nick Czudy

          • Don 2

            Obama Cyber-Warrior,
            Let’s get real here. Your responsibility involves the use of Internet aliases, multiple e-mail addresses and screen names, in order to spread disinformation, not truth; to make postings through proxy servers and effectively use alternate identities, and to divert, disrupt, and destroy Libertarian, Conservative, Religious and Pro-Life websites.
            With the millions of unemployed people possessing basic and even advanced computer skills, you guys are a dime-a-dozen. No one, not even the Organizing for Obama 501(c)4 that funds you, is going to pay dime-a-dozen applicants like you a “very good salary.”

          • NickCzudy

            Hi I have only used one email address my whole time on this site. I only have one name, but I spell it partially some time. Tell me what other alias I use.
            When I make a comment, you all know it is me. Tell me what other name are my responses.
            I have nothing to hide.

            One of the conclusions that I have come after following the Right Wing Rhetoric is that it is OK by your creed to say what you think (usually to degrade) and to pass it off as real or true.
            It doesn’t actually have to be true, as long as it follows your credo.
            I especially love the statements that prescribe, that you know what the other person is thinking. You seem to think that all Democrats are thinking to destroy America and make everyone into a socialist.

            The clairvoyance that lives on this blog site is truly amazing. Praise the lord. Does he talk to you?
            best regards
            Nick Czudy

          • rmwayne

            Another stinking Satan loving atheist. Doesn’t surprise me in the least.

      • rmwayne

        You’re obviously another worthless piece of scum who would eat feces if your pig of a leader, Obama, told you to. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Although Hitler was a despicable character, he was a choir boy compared to Obama.

  • Bud Brota

    Bullet holes in marble.

  • ONLYJB1

    The House has done enough! Stop!

    What Congress needs to do right now is to obtain those SEALED personal records of president obama. Open these sealed records and begin reading their contents on the floor of the House to the American people.
    Once the TRUTH is revealed this will end the travesty of this entire administration.

    Of course our courts will be very busy with each case of this administration coming before them! Justice should move swiftly and then we get back to the job of restoring this nation once again.

    • NickCzudy

      ah Rep Daryl Issa have had witch hunts going to 5 years with the full power and force of the Congress with his agenda to try and pin something on Obama. He has failed completely.

      So what is it that you think that Obama has done that deserves this amount of intention? It is pretty desperate attempt to try and pin something. good luck

      • ONLYJB1

        Nick, you really are a piece of work. Open your eyes to the travesty of this tyrant, his entire administration and the unforeseen force behind these individuals. I would rather the truth come out now and not 50 years from now.

        • NickCzudy

          Only JB. I hear this type of talk everyday. I know the Right Wing is on an agenda to demonize and put Obama down. It works within the bubble. But can you explain it to the others that are not under your bubble.

          I have yet to hear of any one of his policies or actions that are a travesty, evil, bad or poor decisions.
          I know that what ever he does, he is vilified by the Right Wing. Even when he does something that was a Conservative idea, he is still vilified. So this is all that I have seen.

          For example he has cut the government deficit and reduced the size of government, which are Conservative ideals. Would any one of you give him some credit? So if you can get away from the everything Obama is bad syndrome, and tell me what it is, that he has done that warrants this vile attacks.

          Please tell me a few of the actions that make him in your eyes such a bad piece of work.
          I will address each of these points as I or the economy sees them.
          Go ahead and please tell me why he is so bad.
          Thanks.

          • ONLYJB1

            First, he is a liar and does it very well! Go back a few years and listen, then compare the 180 he has done in the last 5 years. Wait Nick, in my estimation, most politicians are liars and that can also be proven. The phony scandals of this administration. Benghazi, that was his first out and out cover up of his administration. This is proven. They would like to sweep this right under the rug, but there is a group attempting to bring this to light. Come on Nick, this administration was running weapons to the terrorist. The NSA and IRS scandals. Both proven to be true, but continue to be swept under the rug. He and his administration used these 2 government departments to spy on and derail opponents to his second term! Granted Nick, it’s not just Comrade obama, he is a puppet within a grand scheme to bring America to her knees. But, he is/ was the perfect pawn. Oh, there is so much more Nick, it just amazes me how a sector of Americans just believe this guy to be a God! He is such a far cry from it!

            All I would like to see is his SEALED personal records opened. I want to know what they are hiding! Don’t you?

          • NickCzudy

            Only JB.
            I have heard many here, and under the Right Wing bubble, accuse Obama of being a liar. I have not seen any proof of this.
            For me, it has been so refreshing to see a president that has not been playing the usual games. He has attempted to slow down the graft and bribery that the many lobbyists. He has been genuinely concerned with getting our economy going and solving many issues of equality and fairness.
            What we have all learned is that during both inaugurations, the GOP met and agreed on doing everything possible to block and go against anything that Obama proposes. In the last one they vowed to bring the government down. That is not what the 47% that voted GOP wanted their government to do. In some countries, this would be considered traitorous and would deal harshly with those that were undermining the health of their country,
            What this tells me is that the GOP are concerned more with politics and their ideology, rather than following the constitution and doing their jobs. This is not the job of the opposition. Yet Congress holds 1/3 of the power of the government. They have succeeded in preventing most good bills and policies from being implemented. With my business experience, I know that they have been a big cause of the slow recovery. Also I know about health systems of other countries and they are totally wrong to go against Obamacare. They have foments a lot of mis-information. Also they have taken collectively more than 100 million dollars from the health lobby to put up this huge opposition. They will fail as the health lobby I do not want these type of politicians ruling America.
            So if you are not totally enthralled with Obama, he is the only adult in the room and the only one that has been trying to improve life and economy for Americans.

            When you say that he has done an 180 about face, are you talking about his election promises?
            It has been a few years remember some organization that did a checklist of all of his promises and which ones he has kept. He scored the best of all of the past presidents in accomplishing his promises. Those that he was not able to accomplish was a direct result of the blockage of the GOP Congress.
            Then you mention the so called scandals. Because Obama has been so squeaky clean in his administration, the GOP have been milking these to death. You have the most powerful committee in Congress run by Rep Daryl Issa, taking the agenda that Obama planned these events and he used all of his vast power in Congress to show this. It has been a few years and even though his inquiry was very biased, he has not found a single thing to incriminate Obama or his admin. He has total power to subpena anything even the Presidents mail and phone calls.
            They looked at 10’s of thousands of mails and found nothing. He wasted millions of our tax dollars.

            Now through all of this the Right Wing pundits and FOX did not disclose this information to the Right Wing and still tells lies and tries to keep these non-scandals alive, the rest of American has dismissed them, long time ago as attempts at the GOP to disrupt government and try and taint Obama. It did not work.
            I can see how you and all of those under the Right Wing Bubble still believe that these were scandals. the amount of disinformation coming from the GOP propaganda machine is massive. Just look at all of the misinformation about Obamacare. It is not going to be the Apocalypse. It will mean the loss to the GOP of the millions coming from the health lobby as they will not be as free to rape and pillage Americans for the overpriced health care then have been giving.
            If you address any one of these issues I can give you the real facts. It is pure hatred on the part of the GOP that fuels all of this hate. You need to see what is true and what is politics.
            Currently Speaker Beihner is being manipulated by the Tea Party Wing of the GOP and they are ready to tank the US and world economy. He is to blame. The GOP have been trying to blame Obama on this. It is not his fault. We know who is to blame. I really resent being held ransom with this type of governing. It is for that reason that I have abandoned the GOP this election cycle. I see them as spoiled brats and dumb bullies. They need to keep out of economy, health care, women’s vagina’s and voting rights.
            I will be happy to debate any issues that you want to debate. Since I do not buy into all of the Roght Wing Bull, please do not assume to tell me stuff that is bull.
            He is not a Muslim, he showed his real birth certificate, his school records are pivate. Mitt Romney refused to show his financial records, that are more important to disclose to the public.

            Do want to see Obama’s health records? Maybe if he has wart on his add, you all will start to pass that around as being a sign of his poor governing. haha
            Warm regards
            Nick Czudy

          • ONLYJB1

            Nick, I’m sorry buddy, but I was unable to read past your 1st paragraph without replying. I promise I will return and read the rest of your dissertation. Are you really that blinded by his radiant light and the lame stream news media’s rant?
            For instance:
            “Obamacare premiums will be cheaper than your cell phone bill.” “You will be able to keep “YOUR doctor.”

            “I never organized with ACORN.” “This administration will be transparent.” “The public will have 5 days to look at a bill, you’ll know what’s in it.” ” I pledge to cut the deficit in half” and went on to raise it by 7 TRILLION dollars!

            “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Officeof President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” He has done nothing of the sort.

            Claims Border Fence ‘Basically Complete’ but It’s Only 5% Finished

            “We got back Every Dime we Used to Rescue the Banks with Interest” Really?

            Nick, do you need more buddy? This is not B S !
            This is nothing but fact. Open your eyes man! Open your nose and smell the corruption!

  • macgyver1948

    Below is an email I received today which is both interesting and hoped for , the sooner the better kind of news.. It is from my US Senator and she called the TPGOP Shutdown “The temper tantrum Republicans are throwing over
    Obamacare”. It may be a temper tantrum as well but it is basically
    the GOP responding to their handlers. Hopefully very soon the many
    who the TPGOP put on Unemployment (receiving needed government money
    but not working for it) can go back to work. Also hopefully soon work
    can be done by Congress to help cut unnecessary expenses and keep the
    necessary ones. We cannot be hurting so many people with the TPGOP
    apathy and agendas just because “we do not like the law”. The
    TPGOP must find other ways to bow down to their handlers and
    investors without hurting so many of us in their processes. We will
    see what will happen from here as we hope for a fast end to this
    apathetic and hurtful TPGOP SHUTDOWN is over. I hope my Senator is
    right about this but she usually is concerning many issues.

    Enjoy, :-)

    Steve,

    The temper tantrum Republicans are throwing over Obamacare has gone from an embarrassing response to last year’s election to a very real
    government shutdown with very real consequences for very real people.

    The effects will only get worse the longer the shutdown goes on, but the
    clean government funding measure we passed in the Senate has the
    votes to pass the House. House Republicans could end the shutdown
    in a heartbeat if they just brought it up for a vote.

    Republicans just refuse to pay the bills if they can’t get 100% of what they
    want.

    That’s why I’m joining with several of my fellow senators, and supporters
    from Missouri and around the country, to petition Speaker John
    Boehner and House Republican leaders to end this government shutdown,
    right now.

    The American people had a stark choice last November. They could vote for
    President Obama — who signed the Affordable Care Act to
    provide health insurance to millions of Americans and end the abuses
    of the insurance industry — or they could vote for Mitt Romney,
    whose campaign was built on his pledge to repeal the Affordable
    Care Act.

    But the people resoundingly reelected President Obama, making him the
    first president since Ronald Reagan to win more than 50% of the vote
    twice, and affirming their support for better health care.

    On that same ballot, every single Democratic senator who supported the
    health care law was reelected — most by double digits, in both red
    and blue states. And Democrats running for the U.S. House who
    supported the law got one million more raw votes than Republicans.

    Now that Republicans have started this shutdown, it’s their
    responsibility to end it — and our responsibility to make sure they
    feel the grassroots pressure.

    Thank you for your support,

    Claire

    • WTS/JAY

      Liberty Counsel’s challenge to ObamaCare is the most comprehensive case pending, challenging (1) the employer mandate; (2) the abortion mandate for religious employers; (3) the abortion mandate for individuals; and (4) the entire law because tax bills must originate in the House.

      “The employer mandate exceeds Congress’s enumerated powers,” Mat Staver, Founder and Chairman of Liberty Counsel, told the court in today’s brief. “The employer mandate, unlike the individual mandate, does impose a heavy burden upon employers. … If Liberty University does not provide insurance coverage, it will be fined $2,000 per employee per year, resulting in millions of dollars of penalties. Even if Liberty provides insurance, but refuses to provide any portion of the preventive coverage mandate (including abortifacients and IUDs), it will still be penalized $2,000 per year for every one of its ‘full time equivalent’ employees. … Liberty University cannot, as a matter of religious conviction, provide any coverage, direct or indirect, for abortion-inducing drugs or IUDs. This refusal will result in millions of dollars in fines annually. The Act coerces Liberty to violate its religious convictions under penalty of enormous fines. These excessive fines constitute an impermissible penalty.”

      “ObamaCare represents a frontal attack to religious freedom. ObamaCare is a train about to collide with the fundamental right to free exercise of religion,” said Staver. “Not only does ObamaCare violate the rights of religious employers because of its abortion mandate, it violates the rights of individuals who oppose abortion and the rights of all employers, religious or not.”

      Finally, Liberty Counsel told the court that because ObamaCare was classified as a tax, it violates the Origination Clause of the Constitution, which requires all tax laws to originate in the House. ObamaCare originated as House Resolution 3590, the Service Members Home Ownership Act. After passing the House, Senate President Harry Reid completely gutted the bill, and then inserted a new title and over 2,000 pages of ObamaCare. “H.R. 3590 was not originally a bill for raising revenue,” Mat Staver said. “This is the first time that the gut-and-amend practice has been used by the Senate to impose new taxes. Our Founding Fathers wrote the Origination Clause because they wanted to keep the power to tax as close to the people as possible. Even after the 17th Amendment passed, allowing for the direct election of Senators, the Origination Clause was preserved to keep the ‘power of the purse’ closer to the people, through their elected Representatives,” Staver said. “ObamaCare cannot originate in the Senate and is therefore invalid.”

      Liberty Counsel is an international nonprofit, litigation, education, and policy organization dedicated to advancing religious freedom, the sanctity of life, and the family since 1989, by providing pro bono assistance and representation on these and related topics.

      http://www.lc.org/index.cfm?PID=14100&PRID=1311

      • macgyver1948

        WTS/JAY… What you share here is commonly published knowledge even if not commonly known. The courts should deal with some of these issues. I mean as with SCOTUS being prompted by the Right to look at the Mandate in ObamaCare even though that Mandate is a GOP thing going at least back to 1992 or so when the GOP tried to get their failed National Health Care package thorough Congress. I was surprised with
        how SCOTUS went with the decision they did considering more were on the Right then on the Left in the big court.

        Some things in OCare should be addressed but not cause to hurt so many Americans with tactics such as this Shutdown. You do not deliberately hurt your heart to spite your right eye because your right eye is twitching and annoys you.

        You mention what Senate President Harry Reid did after ObamaCare past the House resolution. That is what goes on with bill passing attempts in politics. A bill comes from someone/group, goes to a house committee and by the time it leaves that committee there are additives and/or deletions. The GOP Mandate, as I mentioned above, was “inserted
        into ObamaCare while in commentate, along with other GGOP items, and Obama didn’t want them in there. I remember hearing Obama say he didn’t the GOP “insertions” on two separate occasions but he had no choice if he wanted OCare passed. So then there is the give and take thing and Reid did his part.

        Here is my take on expecting employers to accept what is in ObamaCare or any law pertaining to how employees are treated. If Churches or any religious organizations are going to act as employers they need to be employers and accept the laws which affect all employers. If not maybe in that part they should lose their tax exempt status if they have those. Freedom Of Religion is a Yin-Yang type of freedom in that
        it has to work both ways or it cannot work. I do not want government dictating how a religious organizations operates when it comes to their religious beliefs but in the same way I do not want religious organizations either influencing law making or denying laws that apply to them in some way. As employers they should be subjected to the same laws as any other employer. Religious organizations must be free to operate as they see their God would want of them but
        employees should not be punished or limited for that or lose
        protection employees of other types of “companies are entitled to. It is not at all so easy to quit a job and find another so please do not say “but they are always free to quit and find employment elsewhere”. You would be insulting employees if you do. Oh, Liberty is Liberty equal for all or we do not really have Liberty.

        I always felt the 17th Amendment was a great idea because if they were going to represent us they need to first be approved by the voters before they are allowed to represent, other wise they are not my senators but some dictators working for some unknown powers.

        • WTS/JAY

          macgyver: I do not want government dictating how a religious organizations operates when it comes to their religious beliefs but in the same way I do not want religious organizations either influencing law making or denying laws that apply to them in some way. As employers they should be subjected to the same laws as any other employer. Religious organizations must be free to operate as they see their God would want of them butemployees should not be punished or limited for that or lose protection employees of other types of “companies are entitled to.

          This is not an issue exclusive to religious-organizations, macgyver, but for all employers/organizations, religious or not. The bottom line is that, it will effect the bottom line…big time! Which means the price on products and services will increase, dramatically, and the cost will be passed on to consumers. At least 60 percent of firms are estimating Obamacare will raise their health care costs, according to a new study released by Mercer, a human resources consulting firm. One-third of those expect a cost increase of 5 percent or more.

          The study reports:
          The employers that will be hit hardest are those with large part-time populations—employers in retail and hospitality services. Nearly half of these employers (46%) expect PPACA will push up cost by at least 3% in 2014—and another third don’t yet know what the impact will be.

          A full third of the businesses can’t even estimate Obamacare’s impact yet—because so many of the law’s rules have yet to be written by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). And a number of its main provisions don’t go into effect until 2014.

          The impact of this outlook—staring down cost increases mixed with the uncertainty of more government mandates and costly regulations to come—falls heavily on the economy.

          Obamacare requires all businesses with 50 or more full-time employees to provide health coverage for their workers or pay a $2,000 penalty for each employee after the first 30 workers. Some businesses have expressed that they are likely to avoid hiring so they don’t go over the 50-worker threshold for mandated coverage; also, they are likely to cut workers’ hours so that they don’t qualify as full-time to avoid the penalty.

          This is especially tough for restaurants, which provide lots of jobs for low-income workers. The Wall Street Journal reported that “McDonald’s Corp. Chief Financial Officer Peter Bensen said in an earnings call two weeks ago that each restaurant will incur between $10,000 and $30,000 in added annual costs because of provisions in the law.”

          The restaurant group that owns Hardee’s and Carl’s Jr., CKE Restaurants, will face the choice between expansion—creating new jobs—and tightening its belt to deal with Obamacare, its CEO lamented. Andy Puzder, CEO of CKE Restaurants, said:

          The money to comply with the [Affordable Care Act] must come from somewhere. We use our revenue to pay our bills and expenses, to pay down our debt, and we reinvest what’s left in our business. That’s how we create jobs. There’s no corporate pot of gold we can go to, to cover increased health care costs. New unit construction will cease if we have to allocate moneys for that construction to the ACA. And building new restaurants is how we create jobs.

          Of course, as costs increase on businesses, more will likely decide to drop health coverage for their workers altogether. Surveys have indicated that anywhere from 11 million to 35 million Americans will lose the health insurance they have through their jobs.

          Yet this is part of Obamacare’s design. House minority leader and Obamacare advocate Nancy Pelosi (D–CA) said that “the way we see it is an innovative prevention-oriented way for businesses to be emancipated from health care costs because they have a way out or whatever works for them.”

          Once businesses are “emancipated from health care costs,” their employees will be going to government to get coverage. As more people are dependent on government for their health care, the cost burden simply shifts to taxpayers.

          Pelosi describes this as businesses’ “way out.” But the effects are harmful to job creators, workers, taxpayers, and consumers. There is no way out except repeal of Obamacare.

          With our struggling economy, huge-debt, huge deficit, 47 million of food-stamps, and 11% unemployment (maybe more), this is not the time to be ram-rodding obamacare on to the scene, mac. This is insane, and will be a complete disaster!

          Read the Mercer report here, mac: http://www.mercer.us/press-releases/1472805

          • macgyver1948

            WTS/JAY… Are you really going to use retailers as your example? There are others but big retail boxes such as Walmart are making nice profits and a lot of that is because they have no regard for the low level
            hourly they underpay big time. Many of them have in place anti-employee/associate policies to hold them down so the corporation can profit more from them. Turn over in retain his very hight and retailers, especially the big one, do not care. They might even want low level workers to quit before the 90 day trial period is over so they can hire others as the same lower rate to avoid the 90 day pay increase, as tiny as that it, also not give the employee benefits they boasted about at hiring when the 90 day period is over.

            I have it in my notes about some large corporations saying that their part-time workers should thank ObamaCare because it is less costly than benefits the company could offer. I wish I could find that article now. We will se soon enough if that is true but we shouldn’t
            hate ObamaCare before we really know it just because the Tea Party and their property in the GOP says so.

            The only real job creators are the corporations in the private sector. As with regulations, if we leave health care up to those real job creators own devices we will be stuck with junk employee health care. I have seen in the last 30 or more years or so employee benefits
            diminishing in value at alarming rates. This was because employers cared mot about lowering wages than they do about workers. Years ago the cost of copays were so cheap it was wise and affordable to go to a doctor when needed. Nowa days so many employees cannot afford the copays even if they have health insurance from their employers. This is so sad and it may be a good thing for government to step in.
            Ronald Reagen as president suggested national health because maybe his people saw the down sliding trend in the value os company benefits as well and the statistics on those without any health care was staggeringly growing.

            You said “This is not an issue exclusive to religious-organizations, macgyver, but for all employers/organizations”. That is what I was saying to you. All employers, regardless of type, show be treated the same. Employers should not have the right to offer less protection for their employees just because they do the gospel thing.

            We are all in the same boat here and we should be working together, not supporting a shutdown that hurts so many millions because cry babies do not like a law or Obama. Do the prudent thing to get rid of laws you do not like instead but don’t hurt and get rid of people’s livelihoods or worse. The Tea Party and their GOP do not care about us in how they operate. Why support those who do not care about you in favor of the corporations?

          • WTS/JAY

            macgyver: WTS/JAY… Are you really going to use retailers as your example? There are others but big retail boxes such as Walmart are making nice profits and a lot of that is because they have no regard for the low level hourly they underpay big time. Many of them have in place anti-employee/associate policies to hold them down so the corporation can profit more from them. Turn over in retain his very hight and retailers, especially the big one, do not care. They might even want low level workers to quit before the 90 day trial period is over so they can hire others as the same lower rate to avoid the 90 day pay increase, as tiny as that it, also not give the employee benefits they boasted about at hiring when the 90 day period is over.

            Hmm, here are the healthcare benefits and Insurance available to Walmart employees, mac:

            Health and Wellness Benefits

            Walmart also has consumer-directed health plans on offer for its Associates. The health benefits offered are some of the most extensive in the industry as Walmart provides insurance for almost a million people in the United States.

            1. HRA & HSA
            Walmart offers Health Reimbursement Account (HRA) plans and Health Savings Account (HSA) plans which have high deductible limits, enabling the employees to gain support from the company.

            2. Insurance Coverage
            100% coverage is offered on preventive care at hospitals in the network.

            Coverage is offered for dependents up to the age of 26.

            Accidental death & dismemberment insurance (AD&D) is another feature of the program.

            Walmart offers insurance for accidents and also covers critical illnesses.

            There is also insurance for general sick time which is called Illness Protection.

            There is a provision for both short-term and long-term disability insurance.

            Business travel accidents are also covered by insurance.

            Other Walmart insurance plans include dental insurance, optional life and dependent life insurance, company-paid life insurance, etc.

            3. Medical Benefits
            Walmart and Sam’s Clubs pharmacies also offer a $4 co-pay on a large list of eligible drugs for associates.

            Walmart employees also get around 2,400 generic medications and prescription drugs for heart disease and diabetes for as little as $4.

            One of the big health benefits offered by Walmart Center of Excellence hospitals is total coverage on certain types of spine and heart surgeries.

            Also, the company provides healthcare specialists and nurses according to the requirements of the employee.

            A round-the-clock confidential counseling and health information service called Resources For Living is a highlight of the health benefits on offer.

            A Walmart Associate also gets access to the 24-hour active, private Mayo Clinic nurse line, for free health advice.

            There is a special Life with Baby Maternity Program for female employees which supports them before, during, and after pregnancy.

            Walmart Associates with vision impairment also get covered with an in-store associate eyewear program.

            A unique feature of Walmart employee health benefit plans is that there are more than fifty ways through which the employee can personalize his own health coverage. There are various options like health credits, premiums, deductibles, and other coverage options like long-term and short-term life insurance for Walmart associates.

            McDonald’s Healthcare and Insurance available for it’s employees:

            Medical – McDonald’s offers three Preferred Provider Organization (PPO) medical plan options that use the First Health network of providers. The plans have different benefit levels and pay more for in-network covered costs than for out-of-network covered costs.

            All three of the plans feature a prescription drug program and an unlimited lifetime benefit maximum. In addition, the McDonald’s medical plans cover preventive care, including annual physical exams for employees and covered family members (up to $400 per person per year), well-baby care, and child immunizations and inoculations. In some areas, HMOs are also available.

            Vision Supplement – Employees enrolled in one of the four McDonald’s medical plans may elect the vision supplement plan, which provides coverage for eyeglasses and contact lenses, plus a mail-order contact lens replacement program, and discounts on Lasik laser vision correction surgery.

            Dental – Our dental plan allows employees to see the dentist of their choice and covers a wide range of dental services. Preventive services, including sealants for children, are covered at 90% with no deductible. Basic and major services are covered at 80%, after a deductible. The plan also covers 50% of eligible orthodontia expenses for adults and children after a one-time deductible.

            Spending Accounts – The flexible spending accounts let employees set aside pre-tax dollars to pay for certain health care and day care expenses. Employees can set aside up to $5,600 in the Healthcare Spending Account for expenses not covered or only partially covered by their medical and dental plans. For day care expenses that allow employees or their spouses to work, they can set aside up to $5,000 in the Day Care Spending Account.

            Short and long-term disability – Both short and long term disability coverage is provided at no cost to employees. Short term disability provides benefits if an employee cannot work for more than 10 consecutive days; how long benefits continue depends on the nature of the employee’s disability and years of service. Long term disability coverage replaces 60% of the employee’s monthly base salary while he or she is disabled.

            Employee and dependent life insurance – McDonald’s provides basic life insurance of two times the employee’s base salary at no cost to the employee. In addition, employees can purchase additional life insurance coverage for themselves (either term or universal life). Basic dependent life insurance for their spouse or domestic partner and/or children is also provided at no cost to the employees. And, if an employee elects optional life insurance for himself/herself, he/she can purchase additional dependent life insurance coverage.

            Accidental death and dismemberment insurance – AD&D covers employees if they die or are seriously injured in an accident. McDonald’s provides AD&D coverage equal to two times the employee’s base salary. If the employee elects additional life insurance coverage, he/she automatically has an equal amount of optional AD&D coverage at no extra cost.

            Travel and business travel accident insurance – McDonald’s provides travel accident coverage of two times an employee’s base salary at no cost to employees. Travel accident insurance pays benefits in the event of an accident when traveling for either business or personal reasons. McDonald’s also provides business travel accident insurance coverage for employees traveling on company business, also at no cost. Depending on the employee’s position, this coverage is either $100,000 or $200,000 and is in addition to travel accident coverage.

            Come on, mac, that’s not a bad deal. Are you telling me obamacare can top that? I don’t think so!

            macgyver: I have it in my notes about some large corporations saying that their part-time workers should thank ObamaCare because it is less costly than benefits the company could offer. I wish I could find that article now. We will se soon enough if that is true but we shouldn’t hate ObamaCare before we really know it just because the Tea Party and their property in the GOP says so.

            Can’t find the article, huh? No matter, it probably didn’t exist to begin with. Lol!

            macgyver: The only real job creators are the corporations in the private sector. As with regulations, if we leave health care up to those real job creators own devices we will be stuck with junk employee health care. I have seen in the last 30 or more years or so employee benefits diminishing in value at alarming rates. This was because employers cared mot about lowering wages than they do about workers.

            Sources please!

            macgyver: Years ago the cost of copays were so cheap it was wise and affordable to go to a doctor when needed. Nowa days so many employees cannot afford the copays even if they have health insurance from their employers. This is so sad and it may be a good thing for government to step in.
            Ronald Reagen as president suggested national health because maybe his people saw the down sliding trend in the value os company benefits as well and the statistics on those without any health care was staggeringly growing.

            Oh mac, why would you ruin the debate by purposely lying? Reagan warned that such a bill would not only bring an erosion of private rights and individual freedoms but would also give socialism and statism a “foot in the door.”

            Reagan’s Radio Address on Socialized Medicine, 1961:

            My name is Ronald Reagan. I have been asked to talk on several subjects that have to do with the problems of the day. …

            Back in 1927, an American socialist, Norman Thomas, six times candidate for president on the Socialist Party ticket, said the American people would never vote for socialism. But he said under the name of liberalism the American people will adopt every fragment of the socialist program. …

            One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It’s very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. Most people are a little reluctant to oppose anything that suggests medical care for people who possibly can’t afford it.

            Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it. We had an example of this. Under the Truman administration, it was proposed that we have a compulsory health insurance program for all people in the United States, and, of course, the American people unhesitatingly rejected this.

            So, with the American people on record as not wanting socialized medicine, Congressman Ferrand introduced the Ferrand Bill. This was the idea that all people of Social Security age should be brought under a program of compulsory health insurance. Now this would not only be our senior citizens, this would be the dependents and those who are disabled, this would be young people if they are dependents of someone eligible for Social Security.

            Now, Congressman Ferrand brought the program out on that idea of just for that group of people. But Congressman Ferrand was subscribing to this foot-in-the-door philosophy, because, he said, “[I]f we can only break through and get our foot inside the door, then we can expand the program after that.”

            Walter Ruther said, “It’s no secret that the United Automobile Workers is officially on record as backing a program of national health insurance.” And by national health insurance, he meant socialized medicine for every American. Well, let’s see what the socialists themselves have to say about it.

            They say, “Once the Ferrand Bill is passed, this nation will be provided with a mechanism for socialized medicine capable of indefinite expansion in every direction until it includes the entire population.” Well, we can’t say we haven’t been warned. …

            It is presented in the idea of a great emergency that millions of our senior citizens are unable to provide needed medical care. But this ignores the fact that, in the last decade, 127 million of our citizens in just 10 years have come under the protection of some form of privately owned medical or hospital insurance.

            Now the advocates of this bill, when you try to oppose it, challenge you on an emotional basis. They say, “What would you do, throw these poor old people out to die with no medical attention?” That’s ridiculous, and of course no one’s advocated it. …

            What reason could the other people have for backing a bill which says, “We insist on compulsory health insurance for senior citizens on the basis of age alone, regardless of whether they’re worth millions of dollars, whether they have an income, whether they’re protected by their own insurance, whether they have savings?”

            I think we can be excused for believing that, as ex-Congressman Ferrand said, this was simply an excuse to bring about what they wanted all the time — socialized medicine.

            James Madison in 1788, speaking to the Virginia Convention, said: “Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachment of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations.”

            The privacy, the care that is given to a person, the right to chose a doctor, the right to go from one doctor to the other … this is a freedom that I wonder whether any of us have the right to take from any human being. … From here it is a short step to all the rest of socialism. …

            The Founding Fathers — for the first time — established the idea that you and I had within ourselves the God-given right and ability to determine our own destiny. …
            -Ronald Reagan

            You can find the speech here, liar liar, pants fire…:)

            http://www.eransworld.com/ronald-reagan-understood-peril-socialized-medicine/

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You need to put MacGyver’s words in quotes, Jay, so that somebody doesn’t mistake them for yours and think you are ignorant.

          • macgyver1948

            WTS/JAY… Are you now or have you ever been a Walmart Associate. I was one for almost 6 years until relatively recently. I know there were so many Walmart who opted to not take the Walmart health plans because they could not afford the payroll deductions. Also many who could, some how, didn’t use it for their families or themselves as often as they could because of the annual, must pay first before the plan kicks in,
            deductible.

            Just so you know, corporations have special people who are very good at writing benefits policies to read like a dream, not only Walmart… Walmart did not appreciate it when associates opted opt of their
            health care benefits, it didn’t look good for the Walmart image and that they couldn’t have.

            Oh, before I forget. Since you said “Can’t find the article, huh? No matter, it probably didn’t exist to begin with. Lol!”. I now have as much respect for you as you just showed you have for me and I will believe what you do not prove on the spot as you just did with me.
            Now I will not look for that article because you are not worth that effort and I do not care how you feel about that. LOL. I always hope for respectful exchanges even on this site but for the most part, here in spite of what Bob Livingston says he wants for this site,
            that is no where near easy. It just seems on this site those on the Right have no respect for any who do not agree with them. Very mature, huh. Sorry Bob Livingston but for the most part that is the way it is here.

            As ObamaCare more so rolls out in 2014 employees will more and more go with Health care programs that benefit them and their family most, not necessarily that from their employers. Thanks for the read on different companies health care offers. We will see more about that in time. For myself, if there is a better option for me than ObamaCare I will go with it.

            WTS/JAY, quote all the people you want but I agree that if there is incentive there is more possibility of success. I live through incentive as well as make my own opportunities. Many corporations fake incentive
            for low pay employees. If you really want to get ahead, for the majority, you have to work for yourself. Employment means you are at the mercy of your employer, regardless of how hard “you” think you work or how loyal to your employer you may be, and that means you are ultimately limited to the size of pay raises and even promotions they will allow for you. Those above you decide who gets to rise closer to them, not you the employee.

            Regulations were started many years ago because the corporations didn’t seem to care how much, let alone at all, that they were polluting the environment and pushing people out of their ways of profit and expense cutting. Even unions were born out of need against the
            uncaring corporations. There are things blocking your views of these realities. Corporations, the many greedy and selfish ones, will do what is best for themselves and their expenses and bottom lines if
            left without regulations. Without some kind of representation for the employees that is not responsible to the corporations in any way there will under payed and unfairly treated employees. If you do not know these things to at least some extent then I will assume you have either never worked for a corporations or, if you have, you worked for them totally unaware of your environment.

          • macgyver1948

            WTS/JAY… I remember the speech and I have never disagreed with those words.

            Also you do not deserve this, you should do your own homework all the time but with this especially since you called me a liar, but I found this by accident today while looking for something else.
            http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/09/us-usa-healthcare-employers-idUSBRE98816820130909

          • WTS/JAY

            macgyver: WTS/JAY… I remember the speech and I have never disagreed with those words.

            If what you say is true, then how do you explain this, your statement; “Ronald Reagen as president suggested national health because maybe his people saw the down sliding trend in the value os company benefits as well and the statistics on those without any health care was staggeringly growing.”

            Seriously, mac, what gives?

          • macgyver1948

            WTS/JAY… You didn’t copy/paste me correctly in quoting me so I didn’t say it just like that. I am not sure where you got the second have of that sentence but I think it came from some place else of what I as saying. My words were “The “healthcare debacle”, as the Right chooses to describe it, is another attempt, this time by Obama and the Dems, to offer national health care to all, especially to those who cannot afford it. President Ronald Reagan said we need a national
            health care plane for that very reason and the GOP in the 1990’s tried, but failed to get their version passed, which included what we now know as the dreaded Mandate”. I corrected some of my spelling errors my spell checker missed until later this time but that is
            really all. Reagan did suggest National Health Care and he did so because he cared. Now I will ask, couldn’t Reagan’s suggestion be considered by the Right as Socialistic, as I have often seen the
            Right now call ObamaCare, even though the GOP tried to get their version passed in Congress in 1992?

            Socialism can be good, as it can be with National Health Care if designed well for us, and it can be terrible and evil as it was with the Nazis. Bad things
            taking us over can be like what the TPGOP are working toward in Free Enterprise. They seem to want the Corporations to be in control with a thing called Plutocracy – Government by the wealthy for the
            wealthy and in their case, the corporations as well. Talk about controlling so that extreme form of Free Enterprise would be terrible for the non-affluent. It depends on how we design our freedoms and
            who is doing it.

            It is needed to repeat that the GOP version of National Health Care in 1992 included their, what we now know as the Mandate and that is what the TPGOP says is one of the things they hate in ObamaCare. I do not like the Mandate either but I have to wonder why, since the
            Mandate is a GOP thing, why they insisted on it being included in OCare when it went to committee. Obama didn’t want any of the TPGOP inclusion that found their way into OCare, he said so at least twice that I heard, but the had to do the political compromise thing to get Ocare passed. I want the TPGOP inclusions taken out and the rest viewed over to see where it should be “edited” but Reagan was so right, our country needs it, whatever it is called (Affordable Health Care or ObamaCare).

            I side with the Founders in their warnings of corruption in government with huge money from anyone but they did talk about the corporate corruptions in their warnings. They knew how bad that is even back in
            their day and it could get worse in their future, as it has. Plutocracy will negate Americanism and leave all non-affluent in the dark and cold. This TPGOP Shutdown is another attempt.

            Believe me, I want the US Constitution in full force without any adjustments or editing or deletions so the nasty side of Socialism I want nowhere near here. My loving the Constitution, with all its protections for
            us, includes not wanting such evil stuffs in our country such as Plutocracy and other liberty limiting ‘isms’. Isn’t what little bush and Home Land Security did a betrayal toward us with any-time eves dropping into our phone calls, home and cell (now also into email etc on-line), as much as they want without court approval a violations of our liberties and I wonder who that was really for?

            I guess that is what gives, :-)

          • WTS/JAY

            macgyver1948 WTS/JAY • 4 days ago

            WTS/JAY… Are you really going to use retailers as your example? There are others but big retail boxes such as Walmart are making nice profits and a lot of that is because they have no regard for the low level
            hourly they underpay big time. Many of them have in place anti-employee/associate policies to hold them down so the corporation can profit more from them.

            Turn over in retain his very hight and retailers, especially the big one, do not care. They might even want low level workers to quit before the 90 day trial period is over so they can hire others as the same lower rate to avoid the 90 day pay increase, as tiny as that it, also not give the employee benefits they boasted about at hiring when the 90 day period is over.

            I have it in my notes about some large corporations saying that their part-time workers should thank ObamaCare because it is less costly than benefits the company could offer. I wish I could find that article now. We will se soon enough if that is true but we shouldn’t hate ObamaCare before we really know it just because the Tea Party and their property in the GOP says so.

            The only real job creators are the corporations in the private sector. As with regulations, if we leave health care up to those real job creators own devices we will be stuck with junk employee health care. I have seen in the last 30 or more years or so employee benefits
            diminishing in value at alarming rates. This was because employers cared mot about lowering wages than they do about workers. Years ago the cost of copays were so cheap it was wise and affordable to go to a doctor when needed. Nowa days so many employees cannot afford the copays even if they have health insurance from their employers. This is so sad and it may be a good thing for government to step in.

            Ronald Reagen as president suggested national health because maybe his people saw the down sliding trend in the value os company benefits as well and the statistics on those without any health care was staggeringly growing.

            Are you saying you didn’t write the above comment in its entirety, mac?

          • macgyver1948

            WTS/JAY… Im saying I do not remember that wording but I may have written something like that. I do not know all the reasons that Reagan gave for saying he felt the need for National Health Care but I know I
            watched as Corporate health care (benefits) were diminishing over time to what we have today in many benefits packages from employers. When I was with Walmart the health care plan was no where near as
            good as I received from employers maybe 25 years ago and I heard the same from many people of their benefits packages. Save money by diminishing the employee benefits packages. I just know we need more options when it comes to health care in our country and so many employers are more interested in keeping expenses down more so than they are with employee benefits. Payroll is the easiest expense to
            control but that is another issue.

            Walmart had an expression they often dropped on the associates which says “Do more with less”. We all soon came to learn that means do more with less workers, less department budgets, and less whatever the employees/associates needed as they require the same high work levels. I also think it mean “do more with less just so we execs do not have to do with the less”. It was never stated like that but so many of us felt it and said so.

            I can give you an example of some more with less with the budget. When I was the business analyst for a particular department I was responsible for, among other things, designing/developing reports.Well, I noticed that MS Access was screwing up the numbers going all the way back to when that departments reporting system was first developed, more that 2 ½ years before I got there.

            I suggested dumping Access ad offered a couple of other Data Base systems. They said they couldn’t do it with the new budget so they “suggested” I do without a DB and just use Excel. I knew there was a problem with Excel when the quantity of records brought in past
            a certain level, wrong results in the pivots and V-lookups occurred so I mentioned that. They said the new budget determiners what we buy so live with it. I tried pone more attempt by calling Micro Soft and
            they wrote to me and verified what I said but that didn’t budge my directors. They said I had to do with what I had and make it work – in other words “do more with less even if less was inefficient”. I had to be the compensator but I know I wan;t alone in hat throughout the company. Store associates have their own horror
            stories with the Exec’s slogan and that negatively affected customer service in the stores..

            It is all about saving money and raising the bottom lines and protecting the corporate image at all cost and, expanding when they can, maybe most opportunely – keeping the Board of Directors and the top share holders happy all the times. If the exes want their very lucrative contracts renewed, hopefully with raises in all areas, the people higher than the execs have to be happy and then the lessor has to be applied to the people below the execs. That is how you get “More with less” in the Corporate world. This is Corporate life from the top and they get loads of help from their friends in Congress and other departments such as the FDA.

            So, those of us who aren’t the execs, or above, need all the help we can get because as employees the deck is stacked against us from the interview and forever as long as we do not work for ourselves or
            retire. Getting rid of ObamaCare is a sample of employee help and also what the TPGOP are working to avoid. The TPGOP Shutdown is just another example for the TPGOP in their over all efforts to help the Corporations with all those goals I mention above. It is just a crying shame they are so many people and the economy more each day as their Shutdown last but what do they care since they aren’t getting hurt but the Shutdown just so they do their thing in their apathy toward us?

            That was fun. :-)

            Oh, WTS/JAY, do not forget to always use quote marks around my wording so your pal OrigionalDave wont think you are turning Liberal if you write back to me. LOL.

          • WTS/JAY

            macgyver: WTS/JAY… Im saying I do not remember that wording but I may have written something like that.

            Seriously, mac? Who are you trying to kid? That is exactly, what you wrote, mac. Just count 10 comments up from this one. You are unbelievable!

          • macgyver1948

            WTS/JAY… Do you remember everything you write word for word? I write a lot every day and I can forget the exact words but I remember what I mean and I wrote my real thought and meanings to you the last time.

            I am not trying to kid anyone but you are so typical of your Right and the TP GOP might be in love with you for that. You refuse to accept anything that comes out of the Left so if we tell the truth it has to be a lie. They might love you for that too. If I cannot correct myself then you are not worth exchanging thoughts with. Grow up.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Good Grief. Maybe I’m getting crotchety, but I can’t believe how totally ignorant Liberal Progressives are.
            Business owners typically expect a certain minimum return on investment. If they pay their employees more than the market rate, they must make that up by raising their prices (if they can) which hurts consumers, or lay off workers (hurts those workers who MacGyver claims to care about), or give up their profits, in which case why would they want to continue with the headaches when they’re getting no return on their money? Money doesn’t grow on trees, not even Liberal Progressive trees. But ignorance sure seems to.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH… Have you ever heard that if you take from one side of the equation, to keep it balanced, you have to do an equal this to the other side of that equation?

            Ok, think about that for a bit. Consider this why you remember my above question. So many big corporate execs are making enormous salaries. CEOs of many large corporations are, combining salaries and bonuses, earning over 15 to over 20 and some to over 30 $million a year. And those amounts do not include the stock many receive along with fantastic health and retirements.

            Now for the execs to go on receiving those astronomical amounts and benefits and perks, along with what the Board of Directors receive, and the huge amounts they have to pay out to their huge top
            investors, the main percentage of the corporate money bucket has to say on their side of the equation. That means for them to do all that the other side of the equation, the non-exec side, especially the hourly budget, has to remain light. IT will NOT work for the people at the top otherwise. So many of the greedy at-the -top people, the execs- the boards and the top shareholders, will not allow it if they can at all costs avoid it. These are corporate facts and if you do
            not get that then you are not as smart as you think you are. It is what the TPGOP are fighting for because if they do not they will not get the big campaign contributions and other nice stuffs from those
            corporate people.

            Keeping all expenses down is a big deal for the people at the top. Payroll is about the easiest expense to control. Doing away with regulations and health costs are a major priority in keeping expenses down and
            maintaining as much money at the top-side of the corporate equation.

            Now I have a question or two. Where do you think the execs’ priorities are, (with the top side) or (with the employees they have and in crating jobs) if they can get the low paid employees to “do more with less”? Where do you think the execs’ priorities are when it
            comes to spending money and cleaning up the pollutions they create and for getting decent but more-than-they-want-to-spend-on-employees health care? Guess who the TPGOP are supporting for the real exec priorities. The GOP is very accommodating if they ant to keep those donations, investments to the corporations, coming. Obama is just in the way so they decided to hate him ever since he decided to run again Hilary and as he announced his positions would be more in favor of fairness toward We The People even though he believes in helping business because he knows the country can not prosper if business doesn’t.

            I know there is too much Liberalism in all that for you to comprehend, or even allow yourself to believe, but real life is real life.

            So you think you may be getting crotchety, do you? That might be an improvement with your lack of humanity. Socialism is your idea, not mine, since you think about it so much, I do not want it.

          • Bud Brota

            Your argument is a total straw man. The exec you described works in one of the 5% of businesses that are self-insured. There are not enough execs like him that you can squeeze to pay for the healthcare debacle. Take your class warfare somewhere else. The majority of employees work in small businesses. Those small businesses are in a dither about how to manage this new assault on company profits that is the PPACA. Another straw man you’ve concocted is the TPGOP as a corporately funded organization with a corporate, profit-driven agenda. That is such a lie. The Tea Party is an agglomeration of Bible-believing, flag-waving, Constitution-reading, gun-owning patriot citizens; the salt of the earth; the soul of US nationalism. Their nickel-dime contributions are the life blood of the Tea Party – not large corporate contributions, and THAT’S what grates with you Progressives. There are people in this country who know and are aware of what you Progressives are up to. They will NEVER pledge allegiance to the UN or the New World Order, and would gladly kill you if you tried to force them to, and would gladly die in the attempt. They are personally sovereign and personally responsible, not like your 47%ers that hang around like dependent children, waiting for the next government handout. Take you Progressive talking points and float them on Huffington Post or Media Matters.

          • macgyver1948

            Bud Brota… LOL… You are a relatively new one to me but many of you on the Right are all the same.

            There are a good number of big corporations with many execs. So many of them start their lowest level of execs at above a $million a year in just salary. It is not my class warfare as you say but it does exist in practice, but as it is denied, and the TPGOP do their thing to support that.

            The “healthcare debacle”, as the Right chooses to describe it, is another attempt , this time by Obama and the Dems, to offer national health care to all, especially to those who cannot afford it. President Ronald Reagan said we need a nation health care plane for that very reason and the GOP in the 1990’s tried, but failed to get their version, which included what we nw know as the dreaded Mandate. Romney tried health care for Massachusetts, based on the GOP version and many there do not like it or him. There are other programs he put into place, a GOP various ways, and the people of Massachusetts
            showed how much they liked him as a politician when a nice majority in them voted for Obama. I think they hated Romney and his economic, job killing and health programs because they knew him as opposed to
            the rest of the country who voted for him.

            GOP incentive programs, such as “Trickle Down” have proven to not work because it assumes the execs, the real job creators in the private sector, will use those incentives more as savings for themselves or the corporation rather than for what the incentives were meant for. We had incentives from the little bush and low unemployment rose while he was in office on into the Obama years. A number of economic programs started with the little bush admin and as many huge programs do they take time to come alive. Some not until Obama was already in office so naturally the Right took top blaming him for the results and failures.

            I know there are very many small businesses, that is well known. They are being hurt too by our economy. It is ALL about the big corporations to the TPGOP. This TPGOP Shutdown will get stronger in hurting so many more people and our economy the longer the TPGOP keep it going.

            You say to me “Another straw man you’ve concocted is the TPGOP as a corporately funded organization with a corporate, profit-driven agenda. That is such a lie.”

            How is it a lie when so many millionaires/billionaires, many big corporate leaders heavily fund GOP campaigns. Then there is the Norquist Pledge that over 270 in Congress have signed their voting
            rights over to. If you read that short no-tax-increases-no-matter-what pledge and not look deep into what it
            is really about you do not understand that pledge. Norquist says, and I heard him, for all who violate the pledge they will be toast. it means their careers in politics will be toast. They have to do as they are told by the pledge owners and that includes how to vote and what bills to propose. Norquist also said “Don’t worry about Romney, he will do as he is told”. Makes me wonder who would really be running the Oval Office if, God forbid, Romney has won. Romney is
            a signer of the pledge. Oh, Rand Paul endorses the Norquist Pledge.

            You are so typical in what you say “That is such a lie. The Tea Party is an agglomeration of Bible-believing, flag-waving, Constitution-reading, gun-owning patriot citizens; the salt of the earth; the soul of US nationalism. Their nickel-dime contributions
            are the life blo od of the Tea Party – not large corporate contributions, and THAT’S what grates with you Progressives. You assume you know what Liberals are really thinking and feeling and that talent or gift you think you have is pure fantasy. You are not
            alone in that from your side, not by a long shot.

            But let’s get to your statement about the Tea Party. I have no doubt so many of the grass-roots in Tea, the every day people who are non affluent, believe they have joined an organization who has their best
            interests at heart. Why would they join if Tea didn’t as they see Tea. But if you check out the leaders of Tea, and who many of them are, an off shoot of, The john Birch Society, who was very much only for the big corporations and also hated Civil Rights (they fought
            hard against the Civil Rights movement in the 1960’s and it is a great thing they lost in their efforts). Fred Koch, the daddy of the famous Koch brothers, was a founder and financier of the JBS and he showed his bigoted and corporate-only-for ways. He must have rubbed off big time on his famous sons who are 2 of the originators of Tea.The brothers try to publicly distance themselves from JBS but they support them. By the way, there have been news reports/articles
            showing the KKK and Neo-Nazi groups have tried to join with Tea because they have so much in common. Tea cannot have that publicly known if they want to be a viable force in American politics. How would that sit with your “Bible-believing, flag-waving, Constitution-reading, gun-owning patriot citizens; the salt of the
            earth; the soul of US nationalism” Tea members if they knew these things?

            I think if when we look into joining a group we need to know and understand the leaders and what their real alliances and agendas are before joining.

            I have to say this now. Any group or person who thinks, feels, acts etc in ways that show “only how we believe, feel, act in our political or religious concerns is right for all in America or they are just wrong and not deserving of US Constitutional rights” is not a believer in Liberty or Freedoms for all legal US citizens equally
            guaranteed to us by the US Constitution if they deny those same equal rights to those who are not politically aligned with them or believe and worship God in their same ways. I hear this attitude a lot.

            For example, no religion or denomination has more rights than any other. The Founders deliberately left any and all references to any specific religion because they knew from history to not do so would negate
            “Freedom Of Religion” or at least greatly weaken it. I just had to include that because you included, and place first “Bible-believing” in your statement when you categorized your Tea members. All religions are equal in America and none have more liberty or rights than any other. In the GOP debates for presidential
            candidate this last time at least 2 GOP Candidates felt the need to express that Romney’s religion was not Christian enough or not Christian at all. I would have to defend Romney on that and I am not Christian at all even though Romney and other Mormons negated certain Freedom Of Religion rights for Jewish people in the past. John Adams said We must never proclaim America to the world as a Christian nation and the others seem to agree since The Constitution does not
            say what kind of nation we are religiously. It cannot or we are hypocrites.

            Bud Brota, I do not want a New World Order or a One World Government especially if it means we here in America have to give up the US Constitution in part or all of it – NO Way at all. Most Liberals I know feel that way and I am not sure if I know any Liberals who would
            want it. I see you are a potential murderer. How does your religion reconcile with that?

            Bud Brota, are you denying me my privilege, as yours, to be on this site with ”Take you Progressive talking points and float them on Huffington Post or Media Matters”. Interesting since Bob Livingston, one of this sites owners says “Comment Policy: We encourage an open discussion with a wide range of viewpoints, even extreme ones, but we will not tolerate racism, profanity or slanderous comments toward the author(s) or comment participants. Make your case passionately, but civilly. Please don’t stoop to name calling. “.
            Another set of rights you are denying other Americans if their views and opinions differ from yours. Are you sure you understand the Constitution as well as how an owner suggests privileged use to their property? Just asking.

  • WTS/JAY

    Sessions: ‘Obamacare built on an accounting fraud’ (Video)

    On Friday, U.S. Senator Jeff Session (R-AL) spoke on the Senate floor about Obamacare stating that Obamacare was built on an accountingfraud and that not only has Democratic Senators been demeaning the Tea Party movement with attempts to shut them out, but that the House has to the right to fund what they want to fund.

    “House Republicans are working to spare American workers from this train wreck,” said Sessions. “But Leader Reid and President Obama are building a fortress around the law, even as more and more train wrecks are discovered in the 2,700-page bill no one had time to read.”

    “It’s been going on ever since it passed…their goal is to put up a wall around it and anything that comes up, they won’t listen to… they won’t consider, they won’t discuss. It’s a fact… it’s a deal, you can’t even discuss it,” said Sessions.

    Sessions went to say, “The House has a right to fund what they want to fund…under the Constitution…and not chose what they want to.”

    “A lot of us are going to donate our pay during this furlough to charity and I will. But I wish our friends would begin to be more concerned for the private sector workers, millions of American workers who will be affected by the Affordable Care Act—hammered by it. Eventually full funding will resume to our government. We know that this furlough will end,” said Sessions.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/sessions-obamacare-built-on-an-accounting-fraud?cid=db_articles

  • macgyver1948

    IT just continues to show its ugly and apathetic head daily. More political
    damages from the TPGOP Shutdown.

    How the Shutdown threatens some home owners.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/shutdown-threatens-home-owners-205824755.html

    At first, the government shutdown only seemed to affect bureaucrats in
    Washington. But the longer it persists, the more it is harming
    ordinary people who never knew they had a stake in Washington’s
    nauseating political battles.

    The government has told about 60 home owners in southern Nevada, for
    instance, that they need to leave their property for the duration of
    the shutdown, because their homes sit on federal land in the Lake
    Mead Recreational Area. Since Lake Mead is managed by the feds,
    anybody who happens to own a home within its boundaries is
    technically a “visitor” subject to the same lockout that applies
    to tourists, hikers, campers or sportsmen seeking access to federal
    land.

    More at the website above..

    888

    And:

    From an email I received today”

    Help me fight cancer and stop the shutdown

    By Michelle Langbehn Auburn, California

    My name is Michelle and while the government is shut down, my cancer
    continues.

    When the government closed late Monday night, the National
    Institutes of Health (NIH) was set to review my medical files to
    possibly be entered into a clinical trial for a new medication that
    could save my life. I’ve already been through nine months of
    chemotherapy, two cycles of radiation, a spinal fusion and several
    tumor removal surgeries and all of these procedures are taking a toll
    on my body. I have sarcoma which is a rare form of cancer. I need
    another form of treatment and the drug in the NIH trial I’m being
    considered for is it.

    This isn’t just about me. Every week, about 200 new patients — including
    sick children — begin NIH clinical trials. Now we’re being told that
    we have to wait until the government re-opens to start our trials.
    The NIH has said that six different trials could have been started in
    the first week of the shutdown alone. About 75% of NIH’s employees —
    thousands of people — have been furloughed because of the shutdown.
    It’s not even just about us. What doctors learn from our medical
    trials could help thousands more in the future — even you or a loved
    one. Even if I’m not found eligible for the specific NIH trial I am
    being considered for, the only way that I will be able to acquire
    this drug will be to go through programs administered by the FDA or
    the National Cancer Institute (part of NIH) — both of which are also
    impacted by the shutdown.

    I’m furious that Congress has chosen to shut down the government and
    leave so many of us behind. This is not just about the debt ceiling
    or national parks. For me, the shutdown means that Congress is
    denying me potentially life-saving treatment. I speak for everyone
    battling cancer when I say we don’t have time to wait.

    The
    government shutdown is affecting so many of us across the country in
    a very personal way. For me, its affecting my fight for my life. I’ve
    had enough and it’s time to get NIH — and our country — moving
    again. It’s time to stop the government shutdown. Please join me in
    asking your member of Congress to stop the government shutdown and
    get back to functioning again.

    888

    How many more of these stories do we need to hear? How many will we not
    hear because there are so many of them. This is what the TPGOP has
    caused with their Shutdown and they blame others for their cruel
    selfish and greedy actions. IT is not only hundreds of thousands of
    Government employees they have added to the unemployment rolls but
    they hurt so many and that will grow more and more as it hurts our
    economy.

    The TPGOP has said their Shutdown is on the heads of Obama and the
    Democrats blaming the Left for what they didn’t cause,. The TPGOP
    have been saying the continuance of their work is also on the heads
    of Obama and the Dems. But negotiating wit the TPGOP is as saying
    “let’s hurt fewer people so we can settle this thing. That is the
    very definition of “Political Compromise”. I feel that is why the
    Dems aren’t sitting down with the TP Owned GOP. The Democrats are
    tired of hurting so many of us and in a way Obama and the Left are
    saying, in this extreme case, “We will not negotiate with
    terrorists”.

    How many more Michelle Langbehns need to beg for the help they need and deserve before we see the evils that the TPGOP are doing? This is the real nature of the TP and the GOP who serve them, oh, and of course denying that it is them doing the damages to us.

    I do not feel Obama is perfect, I never did, but he is by far the
    lessor of the evils and the Dems stand out as the lessor of the evils
    too, that gets more and more obvious the more we see of the Tea Party
    and their GOP property… See how the TPGOP will not take
    responsibility for their own actions as they blame any who isn’t
    them. Who still wants the Shutdown to continue as it harms the
    economy, and people such as Michelle Langbehn and some home owners
    and displaced workers and on and on, more as it grows and stays with
    us longer?

  • WTS/JAY

    For all the lieberal-progressives who are still confused as to who is responsible for the “government-shutdown”….

    The Republican-controlled House of Representatives voted all the money required to keep all government activities going — except for ObamaCare.

    This is not a matter of opinion. You can check the Congressional Record.

    As for the House of Representatives’ right to grant or withhold money, that is not a matter of opinion either. You can check the Constitution of the United States. All spending bills must originate in the House of Representatives, which means that Congressmen there have a right to decide whether or not they want to spend money on a particular government activity.

    Whether ObamaCare is good, bad or indifferent is a matter of opinion. But it is a matter of fact that members of the House of Representatives have a right to make spending decisions based on their opinion.

    ObamaCare is indeed “the law of the land,” as its supporters keep saying, and the Supreme Court has upheld its Constitutionality.

    But the whole point of having a division of powers within the federal government is that each branch can decide independently what it wants to do or not do, regardless of what the other branches do, when exercising the powers specifically granted to that branch by the Constitution.

    The hundreds of thousands of government workers who have been laid off are not idle because the House of Representatives did not vote enough money to pay their salaries or the other expenses of their agencies — unless they are in an agency that would administer ObamaCare.

    Since we cannot read minds, we cannot say who — if anybody — “wants to shut down the government.” But we do know who had the option to keep the government running and chose not to. The money voted by the House of Representatives covered everything that the government does, except for ObamaCare.

    The Senate chose not to vote to authorize that money to be spent, because it did not include money for ObamaCare.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says that he wants a “clean” bill from the House of Representatives, and some in the media keep repeating the word “clean” like a mantra. But what is unclean about not giving Harry Reid everything he wants?

    If Senator Reid and President Obama refuse to accept the money required to run the government, because it leaves out the money they want to run ObamaCare, that is their right. But that is also their responsibility!

    http://townhall.com/columnists