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The War at Home

August 20, 2010 by  

The War at Home

In researching another topic, I stumbled across a column I wrote three years ago.

That was back in the days before Personal Liberty Alerts started sending my musings to more than 500,000 people every week. No, in the fall of 2007 I had just 1,000 or 2,000 readers, most of them were probably named Wood.

So the column below didn’t reach very many people. If it’s okay with you, I’d like to run it again. Because the message it contains is quite literally a matter of life and death for every one of us. See if you don’t agree. Here it is.

Like me, you were no doubt sickened by the news from Newark, New Jersey that three young college students, Terrance Aeriel, Dashon Harvey and Iofemi Hightower, were ruthlessly murdered at a school playground. Each was forced to kneel on the ground and then shot, execution-style, with a bullet to the brain.

What you may not have heard is that the person accused of the crime, a 28-year-old thug named Jose Lachira Carranza, was in this country illegally — and the authorities knew it. His alleged colleague in this heinous crime is also an illegal alien.

Moreover, this was not Carranza’s first or only vicious assault. He had been arrested just one month earlier and charged with repeatedly raping a 5-year-old girl and threatening to kill her family if anyone called the police. A year earlier he was charged with assaulting patrons at a bar.

One of the better commentaries I’ve read on this topic is by former House Speaker (and soon to be presidential candidate?) Newt Gingrich. In his weekly column, he wrote, “There is a war here at home and it is even more deadly than the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Far more Americans are being killed by violent, evil people here in America than in our official military ‘combat zones’ overseas.

“The truth is, all too many Americans are being killed. But what is so completely senseless is having the lives of three young, achieving college students cut brutally short by someone who not only should not have been in the United States in the first place but also, after two previous arrests for violence, should not have been on the streets. Instead, the suspected killer should have been in jail awaiting trial, sentencing, prison and eventual deportation.”

And then Gingrich reminds us of a story I’d almost forgotten:

“New Jersey was already in the news for its failure to protect its citizens from illegal aliens when the federal government arrested six would-be terrorists for plotting to kill U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix. We soon learned that three of them had been illegally in the U.S. for 23 years, during which they had been charged by the New Jersey police more than 75 times. And still, our government never discovered they were here illegally.”

The former congressman then points his finger at the real culprit:

 “…the government of the United States is not protecting the people of America.”

He continues:

“The federal government’s incompetence, timidity and uncoordinated efforts to identify and deport criminal illegal aliens have had devastating consequences for innocent Americans.”

Rather than just rail against injustice, though, Gingrich proposed a solution to this tragic situation. He called for new legislation, named after the three murder victims in Newark. “The Terrance Aeriel, Dashon Harvey, Iofemi Hightower Act” would do five things:

  1. It would demand that the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security develop a real-time identification system to check the legal status of every felon in America. 
     
  2. Every person arrested for a felony will be checked against the Federal database. Unless there is positive evidence they are American citizens or are here legally, they will be detained. If they are here illegally they will be deported. (This sounds remarkably like what the citizens of Arizona asked their police to do, doesn’t it? We know how Washington reacted to that.)
     
  3. And here’s one I love: Any city, county or state that refuses to participate in checking every felony arrest will immediately lose all of its Federal aid. (Hey, San Francisco, that would mean losing a bunch of taxpayer money, wouldn’t it?)
     
  4. No illegal alien will be released back into the population at large to prey upon new victims. After they finish the time for their crime, they will be detained until they can be deported. (A question from Chip: Why feed and house them at our expense? Let’s send them back where they came from immediately.)
     
  5. All current prisons in the U.S. will be screened to identify those who are here illegally. The illegal alien prisoners will be deported to their countries of origin once they’ve completed their sentences. (I repeat the question I asked above: Why keep ‘em here at all? Let’s send them back just as soon as the courts say we can.)
     
  6. I’ve argued in the past that it’s usually a mistake to ask the Federal government to solve a problem. In my experience, every time they try they create new problems that are bigger and more costly than the one they promised to eliminate. In the process, the budget gets bigger and the bureaucracy gets more bloated. A good rule of thumb is, Don’t feed the monster.

But this is an approach I can endorse. After all, what is government’s first and most sacred obligation? Isn’t it to protect its own citizens from assault; to guard against attacks on our persons or threats to our property by “all enemies, foreign and domestic?”

No, we can’t prevent every crime by every illegal alien. But we can make certain that, once caught, he never gets a chance to prey on an innocent victim again… at least, not in this country.

I’ll let you know when (or if) the Aeriel-Harvey-Hightower Act gets introduced in Congress. And what happens when it does.

Back To The Present
Of course the legislation Gingrich proposed has never seen the light of day in Congress. Instead, all of the publicity recently has been about Barack Obama’s determination to stop Arizona from doing precisely what the former Speaker demanded our Federal government do to protect all of us.

At the end of his column three years ago, Gingrich wrote, “We should demand more of our leaders — or we should get new leaders.”

That’s still a good idea — even though I suspect he is one of the “new leaders” he’s talking about.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

 — Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • http://?? Joe H.

    Chip,
    I think the time is getting real close to vote some common sense into office!!!

    • JeffH

      Joe H., as much as I’d like to agree, isn’t the term “common sense” used by every lying politician every time they propose new laws or regulations that restrict our freedoms? Every anti-gun proponent uses that term and it just makes me sick to even hear it used. No offense meant to you.

      I’d like to see some genuine constitutionalists voted in and as you well know, we’ll do our best to make it happen.

      • DaveH

        Every person has their own idea of what “common sense” is. The reality is that everything we think was learned at some time either from somebody else or from our own life experiences. “Common Sense” is just a manipulative phrase.

        • Conservative at Birth

          B.S.

          • DaveH

            Liberal in disguise?

          • Bob Wire

            Liberal only in the sense that Immigration, can’t , won’t or do their job!

            Liberal in tolerance, knowing people are here that shouldn’t be here.

            Liberal in thinking, that it’s somehow not a big issue.

            For what it’s worth to you, in the last 17 months Immigration under Obama administration has been much more forceful and active then the prior administration.

            >>”French couple have Canadian visa application denied

            June 08 2010 by Liam Clifford

            A French couple living in Canada on Canadian work visas have had their application for permanent residency rejected because their daughter has cerebral palsy.

            Sophie and David Barlagne were told by the Canadian immigration department, which is traditionally among the most welcoming in the world, that their personal wealth was not sufficient to look after their daughter’s needs. As a result they deemed their seven-year-old daughter, Rachel, to be to too high a burden on the country’s health system.

            The couple moved to Canada as economic migrants, one on an investors visas, the other as a skilled worker. They found these visas easy obtain as Canada is always looking for immigrants to boost its dwindling and aging population.”<>” Obama Administration Heads for Record Number of Deportations, Leaving Record Number of Families and Communities Devastated

            FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
            — filed under: Other Recent News
            Immigrant advocates urge Administration to stop deporting hardworking members of our communities

            Statement by Gabe Gonzalez, Center for Community Change
            For more information, contact

            * Mary Moreno 202-339-9316 | mmoreno@communitychange.org

            Thursday, Aug 19, 2010

            For Immediate Release: Thursday, August 19, 2010″<>”administration
            Gallery
            Pushing for immigrant law and citizen status
            Undocumented students from around the country demand the passage of the Dream Act outside the White House, despite the threat of arrests and deportation.

            By Peter Slevin
            Washington Post Staff Writer
            Monday, July 26, 2010

            In a bid to remake the enforcement of federal immigration laws, the Obama administration is deporting record numbers of illegal immigrants and auditing hundreds of businesses that blithely hire undocumented workers.
            This Story

            The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency expects to deport about 400,000 people this fiscal year, nearly 10 percent above the Bush administration’s 2008 total and 25 percent more than were deported in 2007. The pace of company audits has roughly quadrupled since President George W. Bush’s final year in office.

            The effort is part of President Obama’s larger project “to make our national laws actually work,” as he put it in a speech this month at American University. Partly designed to entice Republicans to support comprehensive immigration reform, the mission is proving difficult and politically perilous. ”

            You can cry “LIBERAL” all you want too ! BUT what happening today under the present administration, show us a sternly that wasn’t seen under the previous administration. ~

            Check it out for yourself ! ~ type in to your browser “number of deported” I double dog darn you FOX watchers to pull it up!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            barbwire,
            Did those illegals demonstrating outside the white house get deported??? there they had a whole group of them, easy to round up and they just ignored them!!! As far as his deportations being 10 percent more than Bush, that is no reccommendation at ALL!!! Bush was nothing to brag about, being a progressive himself!!! Everyone of those troops they bring out of Iraq should be stationed here in the states and everyone they replace should have to do one year minimum on the border with Mexico!!! Show ALL, including the cartells, in Mexico we mean business!!! with that many troops we could seal the border so tight a mouse couldn’t get through, A south of the border mouse, that is!!!!

          • Al Sieber

            Well, they sure as hell aren’t deporting them here in Ariz.

          • Al Sieber

            BW, I don’t have a t.v. that get’s any reception where I live, no Fox news etc. if Obama was doing his job our borders wouldn’t be wide open, in the S.W. part of our state the drug cartels have invaded and taken over the game refuge and other areas, so how is it Obama’s admin. is tougher on illegals? did you see it on Fox News?

        • JeffH

          DaveH, you betcha!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JeffH and DaveH,
            with the TOTAL lack of common sense in the white house now, even a little bit would be an improvement!!!

          • JeffH

            JoeH, our definition and a politicians definition are complete opposites.

        • http://personalliberty.com Jessica

          The operative phrase there is “life experiences”. If you screw it up the first time, then you don’t do it again. That’s the essence of common sense.

      • Marten

        Lying is a matter of course for ”Successful” Politicians and this is the real problem-The lack of personal INTEGRITY—Love&Light to Everyone

      • Bob

        Voting in an election requires intelligence and knowledge.

        • Al Sieber

          Bob, those that vote decide nothing, those that count the votes, decide everything.

      • Gerry

        Jeff h -

        You want constitutionalists, you can have constitutionalists. Go to constitutionparty.com, or if in Missouri, go to constitutionpartymo.org We want to see our country return to the Constitution, and return to the country of our founding fathers.
        Nationwide we have many Constitutionalists who are running for office. I say vote a straight party ticket, (The Constitution Party ticket) and let’s get rid of the Democraps and the republicans, and let’s return our country to its roots.

        VOTE CONSTITUTION PARTY AND GOD BLESS AMERICA!

    • Richard Pawley

      Joe, common sense is what many don’t want. Look at how much Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck and the Tea Party are opposed. We don’t need egg heads with grandiose ideas of building a utopia on earth to be running any government, much less ours. We need practical people who have the sense to know if they don’t know something they can find someone who does. These are just ordinary people that those in power are so fearful of they call them ‘terrorists’ while they themselves pillage the population for it’s pocketbook and they are worth. I wrote about the illegal alien who executed those three college students in my politically incorrect book about what is really going on in the United States and why. I pointed out that if he were a white man or a black man or even a Native American there is no way in the world that he would be on the street to rape and murder but he is a member of the ‘protected’ class who can do no wrong – illegal aliens! Remember even George Bush would not answer and actually hastened his step to get away from those who were asking him about the possibility of uniting Mexico, Canada and the USA into a North American Union of sorts during his Canadian visit while president. In the “The Last Days of the Late Great United States” I also mentioned that there have been more Americans killed by illegal aliens here in the USA than were killed by the evil-doers on 9/11. I mentioned the then known ONE MILLION SEX CRIMES perpetrated by illegal aliens on the population, something that congress considers just a cost of doing business. Ranting and raving about Bush or Clinton or Obama isn’t going to change anything – none of them could do much of anything without the complicity of Congress. Additionally, Congress has already squandered so much money in so many ways that food and fuel are going to triple in price in this decade and some think within 36 months. Only when we get rid of all those in Congress who want to crush the little guy while saving those “to big to fail” will anything change. There are Republicans in this group too. This may happen in November but sadly the Democratic-Socialists have spent so much borrowed money that they are now just printing it and that never ends well. Food and fuel, as I just said, will triple in the future and the then president will likely be blamed for that but it is the 111th Congress that will have caused it. Get rid of them in ten weeks or it could be much worse than just terrible inflation. There is a skimpy handful of Democrats and another of Republicans who care and try to do right but they are outvoted by those whose main interest is their cushy jobs with great benefits, millions in perks, as they laugh at the ‘little people’ who elected them. If, as the ancient Christian teacher said, “Politics is God’s punishment to mankind for sin” is true, then we are surely being punished by the 111th Congress. Some believe we have created problems so big we can’t solve them without God’s help and in that I tend to agree but we are as stubborn as the ancients and we would rather do it our way if it kills us, then humble ourselves before our creator and ask for help and direction. The ACLU even trembles at the idea of the God mentioned in every state constitution and in our national one. They want to be God and even the president makes fun of those who believe in their Bible and the Constitution but government alone is not going to be able to protect you from Sharia Law and the goal of Muslims to conquer the earth for ‘their’ God. We don’t have a lot of time left. Congress must be replaced, voted out and sent home to retirement. They continue to dictate how they will take our money and spend it for us, for our own good, of course, billions here for the banks and billions there for the heads of the unions, and on and on. I was surprised to discover that 70 members of Congress are outright Socialists/Marxists/Communists/Progressives or whatever name they choose next to call themselves (“Our Saviors?”) and are members of the Democratic Socialists of America. These despisers of freedom and God look down on the Constitution and it’s freedoms and are affiliated with the Socialists International in Europe. We have one last chance and that is to vote them out in ten weeks and maybe we can slow down this train that is careening down the mountain as Congress just greases the tracks with billions here and billions there. In any event the tripling of food and fuel is a given as a result of what the 111th has already squandered. Prepare for that and you will be ahead of the know-it-alls in our District of Corruption. May God bless the United States because no one else is going to do so, and only you, the people can vote the 111th out. TEN WEEKS!

      • Hugh Jordin

        Palin and Beck are opposed by many who do not want hypocritical tabloid phonies representing them and shaping opinion. We DESPERATELY need wise conservative leadership to move our country forward. Cerebrally challenged individuals, no matter how much media attention they get, do not do anything to further the cause of true conservatives. On the contrary, bozos like these make conservatism sound like the philosophy of dim wits.

        Let’s get SMART conservatives in office and leave the winkers and criers to the pages of supermarket tabloids where they belong.

        • Richard Pawley

          I disagree! Many fear truth and justice, morality and honor. Glenn Beck has no intention of running for any office, that’s not his gift, but that’s the kind of person we need, someone like Washington who doesn’t want the job but feels the call of duty. Instead we have hot-to-trot Congressmen and women who want the power, and the prestige, and believe they know better than anyone else what is good for us. People like Beck and Palin and Jindal and Bachman are people who know they don’t know it all and are quite capable of finding those who do know. It is just because they are down-to-earth that Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck appeal to so many. They don’t Lord it over any nor pretend they know better than others, or worse yet, believe they are better than others. Another problem us that we have 36,000 highly paid lobbyists in our District of Corruption who are ready to dole out money, power, sex, and a lot more to those who will vote their way and for what their sponsors want. They spent upwards of $300 million to overturn the Glass-Steagall Act when Clinton was president and that had kept the FED and the banks from causing a Great Depression for 66 years. Once it was gone, replaced by the Gramm-Leach Bliley Act, it only took the FED and the banks 8 years to bring about this current crisis. Truly smart people are not experts in everything, they are people who truly care, and who are smart enough to know they are not better than others. You need not fear Glenn Beck running for president. That is not his gift. He is more like a Thomas Paine or a George Whitfield who is using his abilities to rouse a sleepy nation from their apathy to regain what freedom they have already lost before we lose it all. If it were not for Beck and Palin (I first saw her on his TV program months before most outside of Alaska had ever heard of her) we would be well on our way or replacing our Republic with a socialist/marxist/progressive or commuist form of government. Regardless of who gets elected in 2012, and it will make little difference unless the 111th Congress is sent home this November, we are still going to have food and fuel and imported goods tripling in price due to all the borrowed money that Congress has already squandered. Probably the next president will be blamed for that but it is really the current Congress that is responsible. What we don’t need is a Republican counterpart to President Obama. He is the smartest president since Woodrow Wilson, the Democratic president who started segregation in the military but IQ alone is insufficent to guide the United States. I know someone who has an IQ of 200, the highest possible score on the Mensa test but he doesn’t have a a lot of common sense although he has PhD’s and many other degrees. I’ll take everyday common sense and some business experience over PhD’s and lawyers every time.

          • Hugh Jordin

            You are right, they don’t know it all… but we need leaders that are more than just appealing, we need genuinely intelligent leaders. When you consider our beloved founding fathers, they were among the most intelligent and articulate people of their time, or any time for that matter. That it how they were able to shape the foundation of our great country.

            Palin, Bachman, Beck, and Jindal are nice people, are patriotic, etc. but to think they are smart enough to command the most powerful military in human history, and to handle the complex problems of our great nation you are kidding yourself. Because they are appealing personalities and “down to earth” does not mean they are eminently qualified to lead the country. Palin’s presence on the ticket is why Obama won. Moderates could not take her seriously and were afraid to have her finger anywhere near the nuclear button.

            If you saw Palin’s recent encounter with a teacher in Alaska you would understand her cerebral limitations

            Also: brilliance does not mean that one automatically “lords it over” other people. Many of the world’s greatest geniuses conducted themselves with great humility. The smarter you are, the more aware you become aware of your mortal limitations.

            It is important to get conservative ideas guiding our country, but that will only happen when intellects that approach those of our founding fathers carry the torch. Individuals that seem to spout memorized sound bites are not going to cut it.

          • PETE SEGER

            I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO WHAT RICHARD PAWLEY WAS SAYING ABOUT GLEN BECK RUNNING FOR OFFICE.YES, THAT IS NOT HIS GIFT THOUGH WELL INFORMED AND KNOWS HIS HISTORY PRETTY WELL.HERE WHAT I THINK WHEN RUNNING FOR OFFICE I THINK THAT ALL PUBLIC RECORDS SHOULD BE HUNG BEHIND THE CANDIDATE IN “ENHANCE” {FORMATE} REGARDING THAT CANDIDATES,BIRTH CERTIFICATE [AND OR] RECORDS, SCHOOL GRADES + WHAT HIS OR HER MAJOR OF STUDY WAS AND WHAT IT WAS AT THE TIME OF THEIR 4TH OR 6TH YEAR GRADUATING YEAR,AS WELL AS HIS OR HER SUCCESS OR ACHIEVEMENTS WERE WHILE IN OFFICE OR AS A WORKER IN A BOTTLING PLANT AND THEIR CREDENTIAL.HERES WHAT I’M GETTING AT,MANY OF OUR SO CALLED REPRESENTATIVES ARE FULL OF “SHIT”AND THAT IS NOT THE WORST OF IT,YES THE JOKE IS ON US BECAUSE WE KNOW IT BUT STILL WE VOTE THEM IN BECAUSE WE THINK WE NEED TO OR JUST BECAUSE IT IS JUST THE WAY IT IS OR WE FEEL THAT THEY ARE THE LESS OF THE {“EVILS”}.LET ME FIRST START OFF BY SAYING THAT,THAT IS A [LOAD OF CRAP]LETS LOOK AT {AMERICAS} FAVORITE COMIC “RICHARD PRYOR” AND THE OLD CLASSIC MOVIE HE DID IN {BREWSTER MILLIONS} FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR,A NEW YORK CITY MAJOR RUN OFF BETWEEN TWO OF THE MOST CORRUPT POLITICIANS,PRYOR WHO HAD JUST INHERITED 330 MILLION DOLLARS WHO PLAYED A BASEBALL PITCHER AND HAD BECOME SOMEWHAT OF A NOTORIOUS CELEBRITY DECIDED TO RUN FOR THE OFFICE, BUT AT THE LAST MOMENT DECLINED,WHY? WELL JUST BECAUSE HE WERE A RIGHTEOUS CANDIDATE HE SIMPLY SAID,”HOLLY SHIT THAT WAS SCARY”MORE TO THINK THAT YOU ALL HAD “LOVING” FAITH IN ME TO REALLY RUN THIS “BITCH” BUT I’M NOT.I CAN’T EVEN TAKE CARE OF MY OWN FINANCES.I DON’T WANT TO BE MAJOR AND I NEVER HAVE, I JUST THOUGHT THAT YOU ALL VOTING FOR ME WOULD BE AS MUCH OF A JOKE AS ANY OF YOU VOTING FOR THE TWO CANDIDATES IN THE FIRST PLACE.OKAY WHY YOU ASK DID I TAKE SO LONG TO GET TO THIS POINT WELL THAT IS SIMPLE.THOUGH, IT WERE TAKE FROM AN OLD MOVIE AND REWRITTEN THERE IS SO MUCH TRUTH TO IT.{PRYOR’S} THEME WAS TO [V O T E F O R N O N E O F T H E A B O V E] OKAY HERE IT IS FOLKS IF YOU DO NOT LIKE WHAT IS THERE YOU WON’T EAT IT RIGHT? WELL SO GOES THE SAME FOR THE CANDIDATES IF YOU DO NOT LIKE WHO THEY ARE OR WHAT THEY REPRESENT THEN DO NOT “MARK” OR PUT A “CHECK” IN THE SQUARE.LOOK PEOPLE WE NEED TO VOTE THESE “ARISTOCRATIC”OUT OF OFFICE,THEY ARE NOT DOING THERE JOB.LOOK AT THIS AS A MORE PERSONAL APPROACH,[QUESTION]? IF AN EMPLOYEE SAT HER OR HIS ASS AT THE DESK WALKED AROUND LIKE A BIG SHOT TELLING STUPID JOKES THAT HADN’T ANY SUBSTANCE TO THEM AND SHE OR HE DID NOT DO HER OR HIS WORK TO HELP THE COMPANY ADVANCE,JUST HOW LONG WOULD YOU KEEP THEM EMPLOYED FOR ? I’D VENTURE TO SAY { NOT FOR LONG } SO WHY DO YOU KEEP CHECKING THE SQUARE BECAUSE YOU “THINK ” THAT YOU HAVE TO NO, NO, NO,YOU DO NOT HAVE TO.LOOK SOME OF THEM DO GOOD THINGS I’LL ADMIT,HOWEVER WHEN THEY BECOME A SENATORS, CONGRESSMEN OR “WHAT EVER” SURE THERE IS EUPHORIA AT FIRST AND THIS IS FOR BOTH OF YOU,MAYBE BETTER SAID AN ENERGY TO DO GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE AS WELL AS US “OH I WONDER WHAT OR HOW MUCH SHE OR HE WILL DO FOR ME OR US.
            I’M GOING OUT ON A LIMB HERE AND I’M GOING TO LET YOU KNOW HOW FAR I WILL GO,IT IS NOT, AND AGAIN I WILL SAY ["IT IS NOT"] BECAUSE OF MY LACK IN EDUCATION, I AM WELL EDUCATED.A LONG TIME AGO I HAD LEARNED THAT IF YOU HEAR SOMETHING YOU DO NOT LIKE ON THE{BOOB TUBE]TELEVISION OR THE RADIO DON’T LISTEN IT. I’LL TELL YOU WHY.ONE DAY I CALLED A RADIO TALK SHOW NOT MENTIONING THE SHOW,I CALLED IN A COMPLAINT TO THE SHOW,IT WAS ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE SAYING AND I WAS NOT GOING TO LISTEN ANY LONGER,WELL FAR FROM TELLING ME TO GO SCREW MYSELF THEY SAID,GOOD WE DON’T NEED YOU TO STAY ON THE AIR,SO WRONG IN SO MANY WAYS,BUT IF ME MYSELF AND I HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM GOING OFF THE AIR WELL GOOD FOR ME.I CAN NOT TAKE THE CREDIT BECAUSE,WELL WOULD YOU BELIEVE THAT OTHER PEOPLE FELT THE SAME WAY AS I HAD FELT.THEY TOO STOPPED LISTENING [THUS] ADVERTISERS STOPPED ADVERTISING AND REVENUE STOPPED COMING IN AND {“WA LA”} [THEY WAS FINISHED] BY THE WAY THEY WERE TALKING AS IF HOMOSEXUALITY WERE APPROPRIATE, AS IF IT WAS ACCEPTED BY AVERY ONE,WELL I AM HAPPY TO REPORT THAT IT IS NOT, IT IS WELL JUST PLAIN FOUL LIKE WATER DAMAGE POTATOES OR THE SMELL OF ROTTING FLESH OR EGGS.AND I TEND TO BELIEVE THAT THIS WORLD IS NOT TAKEN IN BY THERE ANTICS OR THERE DISGUSTING BEHAVIOR.LIKE THE “BUSH’S” HAD SAID, ” J U S T S A Y N O ” SO FOR THE SAKE OF WHATEVER WHOEVER SAY NO TO HOMOSEXUALS GETTING MARRIED.I DO BELIEVE THAT WHAT THE CHURCHES HAVE DONE IS DISTASTEFUL AND A CRIME AND SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED.FOR THEM TO PLACE A OPENLY HOMOSEXUAL IN THE CHURCH WHAT A DISGRACE THAT IS WAY I DO NOT GO TO CHURCH ANY LONGER AND I HAVE DISTANCE MYSELF AS FAR FROM THE CHURCH AS POSSIBLE.THERE IS NO EXCUSE I DO NOT CARE HOW ONE TRY’S TO RATIONALIZE OR TRY TO CONVINCE ME, WELL THERE IS NO ACCEPTABLE REASON.NOT JUST BECAUSE THE GOOD O’LE BIBLE TELLS ME SO. WHEN A DOCTOR STICKS HIS FINGER UP MY ASS TO CHECK WELL, LETS JUST SAY TO CHECK TO SEE OR TEST THAT THINGS ARE WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO BE AND THEY ARE INDEED STILL THERE.IT DOES NOT TAKE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO FIGURE OUT THAT THE ONLY THING THAT SHOULD GO IN THERE COULD ONLY BE FROM A LOVING LICENSED PHYSICIAN WITH WARM FINGERS AND GOING OUT IS DISPOSED FOOD. . .SO THE NEXT TIME YOU HEAD FOR THE POLLS AND IF YOUR ARE TO LAZY TO DO THAT IT PROBABLY MEANS YOUR FAT AND SCREW YOU AND DON’T HOLD A SIGN UP SAYING,HATERS RACIEST HOMOPHOBIC WHO BREAK UP FAMILY’S BECAUSE WE WANT TO DEPORT THE VERY THING YOU ARE WITH A TAKER OF OUR TAX DOLLARS FOR MEDICAL AND WELFARE BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT GET YOUR FAT ASS OUT THERE TO VOTE OR BECAUSE YOUR COLLECTING WELFARE AND YOUR FAT IS SITTING AT HOME WAITING FOR YOUR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT TAKES A JOB OUT FROM SOMEONE WHO IS IN TIS COUNTRY LEGALLY.FOR THOSE WHO HIRE ILLEGALS [I HOPE THAT A FLEA FALLS OFF AN ELEPHANT AND BITE YOU UNDER YOUR ARMPIT].THAT IS NOT MINE IT WAS FROM OUR BELOVED “JOHNNY CARSON” [1970 SOMETHING BUT ALL THE SAME,AND IT HAD JUST POPPED INTO MY HEAD. WELL I THINK MY PASSION GOT TO ME THEREFORE TYPING AWAY.PASSION YES TRUTH EVEN BETTER.JUST REMEMBER THIS THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO PLAY WITH OUR MONEY NOT JUST POLITICIZATIONS LIKE FROM {BELL GARDENS CA,}BUT THE DEMOCRATS WHO HAVE BEEN ELECTED INTO OFFICE.THERE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT THE DEMOCRATS {ENABLE} RUTHLESS DO NOTHING DOER’S.THE DIFFERENCE OF A REPUBLICANS AND THE WASTEFUL SPENDERS AND TAX CHEATS DEMOCRATS IS THE DEMOCRAT HASN’T ANY VISIONARY SKILLS THEY DO NOT KNOW TO LETS SAY OPEN A CAN ! ! !WERE AS THE REPUBLICAN HAS GREAT INTUITIONIST PLANS FOR OUR FUTURE AND A SENSE AS TO WHERE WE WILL BE IN 5 10 OR MORE YEARS FROM NOW.I GOING TO SAY ONE MORE THING BEFORE I EXIT, THAT IS DURING THE LAST BUSH ADMINISTRATION YOU DEMOCRATS CAN NOT THINK THAT IT WAS DUE TO JUST ONE MAN.LOOK AROUND YOU THE FALL OF THE ECONOMY WAS DUE TO YOU AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEXT DOOR GREED AND JUST PLAIN BEING IRRESPONSIBLE AND FORGETTING WERE WE CAME FROM.I GUESS TO SAY THAT WE WERE ALL AT FAULT AND YES I MEAN YOU,NOT TO MENTION THE BOMBING OF {NEW YORK CITY}AND THE DOWNING OF OUR {US.AIRMEN} OVER CHINA.THIS COUNTRY WAS IN A MESS LONG BEFORE {BUSH} TOOK OFFICE,SURE BILL CLINTON HE WAS OKAY,HOWEVER REMEMBER THAT IT WAS HIS ADMINISTRATION THAT TURNED A BLIND EYE TO THE THREAT THAT SOMETHING BAD WAS IN THE WORKS OR TO TAKE PLACE.THERE WERE A LOT OF KINKS IN OUR INNER INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE ARE STILL TRYING TO WORK THEM OUT.ALTHOUGH I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS PRESIDENT AND HIS UTTER WILLINGNESS TO ALLOW ILLEGAL ALIEN TO STILL BE ABLE TO JUMP INTO THIS COUNTRY WITH NOTICEABLE WET BACKS HAVE BABIES THAT THE AMERICAN TAX DOLLAR PAYS FOR,FOR 18 + YEARS OKAY I GET IT THERE ARE A HAND FULL OR SO THAT DO GOOD, THAT BEING SAID STILL WE PAY FOR THEIR “BRACES” THEIR MEDICAL,THEY LIE ABOUT THERE MARRIAGE STATICS SO THAT SHE CAN COLLECT WELFARE AND SEC 8 HOUSING WHILE HER HUSBAND IS OUT AT WORK MAKING VERY FAIR TO GOOD INCOME TO PAY FOR THEIR 60 INCH TV,HER CAR,HIS CAR AND OR NEW TRUCK,ATV,WHILE THERE KIDS ARE OFF NOT KNOWING WHERE THEY ARE AND NOT CARING OF THERE WHERE ABOUTS SELLING DRUGS GANG BANGING OR JUST CAUSING MISBEHAVIOR OR SUING BECAUSE SOMEONE FARTED AND IT FOGGED UP THEIR LIFE SOME HOW….I THINK THAT BY NOW YOU GET THE JEST OF WHAT I AM SAYING.IT IS TIME TO TAKE A STAND AND START SENDING PACKING,OH BY THE WAY I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT NO WE ARE NOT TRYING TO BREAK UP FAMILY’S THE KIDS THAT THEY KEEP REFERRING TO ARE BY ALL MEANS ABLE TO WITH THEM AND ARE FREE TO RETURN WHEN THEY ARE 21 YEARS OF AGE BUT NOT UNLESS THEY HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA OR HIGHER.THERE IS ONLY ONE THING THAT I WELL NOT AGREE WITH GLEN BECK IS,ON TODAYS SHOW HE MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE UNDESIRABLE I DO THINK THAT IF A CRACK ADDICT OR ON ALCOHOLIC WHO USES AT THE TIME OF THERE PREGNANCY WELL MAYBE,I’M JUST PUTTING THE POSSIBILITY OUT THERE.

          • Bob

            All she does is sit on her porch watching what the Russians are doing.

          • Al Sieber

            Glen Beck and Sarah Palin, avoid a lot of questions or avoid some subjects, I don’t trust them.

        • LocalYokel

          Only six people attended Thomas Paine’s funeral because of politically, socially, and religiously threatening nature of his words, but like those of Palin and Beck are very worthy of deep consideration.. If conservatism can not stand up to to the waves caused by both the philosophy of those who support it and the biased perpetual media attacks, then perhaps the time for a new spirit with a new title is at hand. False pride anchored in fantasy is as destructive as media lies. All “smart” candidates will defer any announcement of eligibility to converge with the expensive TV waste necessary to swing the uninformed voters and avoid early character assassination.

          • http://none Chip Wood

            Would someone please tell Pete Seger, who wrote a lengthy letter above, that I don’t read messages in ALL CAPS (especially any that are several pages long). And I’ll bet a lot of other folks don’t, either.

            Chip Wood

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Chip Wood,
            Neither do I! I may or may not read part of it, but never all!!

        • Bob Wire

          Hugh, these people think , Beck and Palin are the answer! You can’t convince them of anything! They are just smart by natural selection and all the rest of us that struggle to stay informed, abreast of the issue and apply unbiased reasoning are just stupid! & liberals!!!!!!! let’s not don’t forget the liberal part. Never mind they both carry Liberal Art degrees. ~ Well I know Palin does, and Glenn tried! Maybe someone might “gave” him one by now.

          I just wanted you to to know everyone on this site don’t think as they do. Beck has developed into quite a snake oil salesman and Palin is all about Palin, always was and always will be. Palin has way too much going on in her life at this point to ever stop, back up and get a firm grip on the issues ~ for her, ~ it will always be “talking points” ~ she can regurgitate the talking points for 15 minutes, 30 minute would be a serious stretch.

          These people “love” these two characters! The more you attack them the more they will defend them.

          • Hugh Jordin

            Good points, Bob.

            I am just so tired of media hounds claiming they speak for thoughtful conservative Americans when, as you say, they speak to promote themselves.

          • JeffH

            Always the expert? NOT!

          • American Citizen

            Spoken like a true liberal. Beck researches history and tells it like it is. Palin has been a successful governor as is Jindal. You liberals can rant all you want against those speaking the truth about what is going on but you are fooling no one but other liberals.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Hugh jordan,
          I’ll agree with you when you can name two lies that Glenn Beck said and then back up your words with proof.And I don’t mean any lib or progressive sites either!

          • Mary

            Joe. I think the well known “conservatives” are making tones of money with the fools and desperation of the people of this falling country. Chip check out of long it takes to an illegal to come back to this country? I believe this country should kill the monster not to feed it neither deported. The reallity is We are not protected for the government and it’s going to get worse. We have to protect ourselves and teach that to our children.

    • animal

      hold up you think its time to vote…? isnt that how we got in this present problem. a bunch of limp wristed bleedin hearts voted this witch doctor in with all his hopes and change bull shit. now we are all facing ropes and chains. we need an old fashioned overthrow.

    • http://winchesterarms@live.com AZ Rifleman

      Hi CHip,

      It contiinues to baffle be how our government is set on dissarming this country while at the same time encouraging trespass within our borders by such an evil element as depicted in your report.

      As to deportation with immediacy, I don’t believe it would work. If they are not detained here they will not serve sentence anywhere, especially in their own countries, and there will be no deterrent to keep them from continuing to show up here time and time again much as it is now.

      There should also be a stiff and direct sanction for anyone entering this country who has a prior of deportation especially if it was connected to serious or violent crime.

      Just a thought… we could build federal facilities like Gitmo to house these prisoners. When released, they are on their ownn to arrange for a (Taxi) to get them back to their own Country…

      • Richard Pawley

        Some laugh at being deported. One minor criminal was deported NINE times. It’s a joke and the only one’s laughing are our representatives in Washington, laughing at us for having elected them.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Richard P.
          So don’t deport them right away! Make them spend their time in a facility like Sheriff Joe’s tent jail, work the crap out of them like the old chain gangs and when their time is up send them back with the information that they will be shot on sight if they return! Do this a few times with a few of the bad criminals and the rest won’t come back either!!!

          • Christin

            That sounds like a plan, Joe H.
            I think we (USofA) will have to back that up with MORE for it to completely work.
            Finish the double layer FENCE.
            ADD Border Patrol Boots on the ground (not desk jobs.)
            Add High Tech Equipment.

            I might add, cut the FREE citizenship if born here when the parents are illegal. Minor children should be deported with their illegal alien law-breaking parents.

            Fed gov should protect and defend American Citizens… #1.
            (Well, that is what the real America should do, but we aren’t a sovereign nation anymore. Others are pulling the US strings.)

          • JeffH

            Joe H. my sentiments exactly!

          • Mary

            That’s right. There is only one way left. It’s them or us.

        • Al Sieber

          Christin, it doesn’t really now, because the illegals are still pouring into the US. the Trojan Horse is already here.

      • PETE SEGER

        I SORT OF AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE ILLEGALS HAVING TO DO THE TIME FOR THE CRIME MOSTLY THOSE THAT ARE A&B THROUGH B- FELONY WHAT THE HELL AM I TALKING ABOUT {MURDER} + {ROBBERY} WITH A GUN OR KNIFE {RAPE}AND {A-SALT} HERE IS A LITTLE SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO TAKE INCONSIDERATION WITH A TWIST “OKAY”O-KAY YOU TAKE THEM ALL LOAD THEM INTO A BOEING B10 MAYBE LOCK THEM DOWN NO NO THAT WOULD BE CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT.OKAY LOAD THEM IN WITHOUT A PILOT ONLY A REMOTE CONTROL WITH A QUARTER OR HALF A TANK OF GAS DEPENDING WHERE THERE LEAVING FROM TELL THEM THAT THEY ARE FREE TO LEAVE BUT WITH IMPLEMENTATIONS THEY ARE NOT TO COME BACK TO THE {U.S.A.}EVER AGAIN WATCH THEM LEAVE HAVE A FIGHT PLANE ESCORT THEM OUTSIDE THE PERIMETERS 200 MILES OUT OVER THE OCEAN OR WELL OVER OUR SOUTHERN BOARDER AND THEM SHOT A DESTRUCTIVE MISSILE AT THE PLANE WATCH IT EXPLODE IN A ARRAY OF “HELL FIRE” THEN WE CAN DISCO TO THE TUNE OF “I JUST WANT TO CELEBRATE CELEBRATE I JUST WANT TO CELEBRATE” . . . . ! S O O O WHAT DO YOU PURPOSE,STANDING BY…

    • Dee

      They should have had the common sense NOT to vote obummer into office
      in the first place.

  • dan az

    chip
    how about some names for local congress ect. time is short and I would like to only vote conservative not like brown the turn coat.

    • DaveH

      Dan,
      I haven’t yet seen a candidate without a website. We need to use those websites first (especially their “issues” page) to see what a candidate says he/she stands for. And then check their past history (if any) to see if they have indeed behaved or voted that way. And then, if elected and they don’t keep their promises we need to vote them out, no excuses accepted.
      And please, if you are Republican, vote out the RINO John McCain. Hayworth may be no better but we can deal with him in the next primary. There must be some kind of punishment for John’s RINO behavior.
      Best of all would be to start giving your fervent help to the Libertarian Party. They are the only ones with the Principles to take us back to the roots of this countries Freedom, that is Individual Freedom, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, and Limited Government:
      http://libertarianparty.org/platform

      • Bill J

        Libertarians are long on words but short on actions! It seems that they would rather win an argument than win an election!

        • DaveH

          Puhlease. We are trying our best. But the two major parties like their power and they don’t want to give it up. So, they have done everything possible to marginalize us. Now, however, with the Internet, and thanks to Fox News, and Fox Business Channel, we are finally getting the message out to the citizens. Still, only a very small percentage of the population understands our platform and why it would work. Instead of bad-mouthing us, why don’t you look into our platform and seek knowledge of why our proposed Freedoms would result in a more peaceful and prosperous society.

          • DaveH

            more sources for Libertarian wisdom:
            cato.org
            reason.org
            mises.org

          • http://?? Joe H.

            DaveH,
            I agree with almost all the Libertarian principles and yes I would like to see them get in just once to see what they could accomplish, but we had the internet and Fox channel and Fox business and they and anyone that the two parties didn’t agree with were marginalized from the start!!! One thing we need is to schedual ALL the states primaries at the same time!!! That way the two parties couldn’t hand pick the states to make sure the states that might make a difference can’t!! Quite often there are states that don’t even count in the primaries so a lot of people are so disgusted they don’t even vote in the primaries!!

          • dan az

            Thanks dave!

      • Al Sieber

        DaveH, you can bet your ass I’m voting against McCain, I’m registered Republican, I switched from Independent, to Repub. to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries. so DaveH, who do we have here in Ariz. worth a crap at the local level?

        • Al Sieber

          I’m with the Libertarians, also.

          • dan az

            Hey Al
            same here I know who to vote out but with all the names not familiar its difficult I too went republican to vote Ron Paul as for Gov. who else Jan Brewer.Hayward sucks eggs and mc cain lays them.there has to be some good conservatives out there.

          • DaveH

            Dan and Al,
            When I got my property tax bill last October, I was enraged. Here we were in a deep recession and they were raising our property tax! So I fired off an Email to all of my representatives at the State Legislature (all Republicans). Three of them didn’t mention Jan Brewer, but the three of them that did all accused her of stopping them from cutting taxes. I don’t pay much attention at the state level, so I didn’t realize she was in bed with the tax and spenders. I actually got a personal phone call from one of the Representatives. It was funny, because when she announced who she was, I immediately started pondering ‘uh oh, did I say something in the Email that they could twist into a threat?’. As it turns out, she was a sweetheart and thinks very much like I do. I will probably vote for her this election, even though Republican, because I was so impressed with her response.

            “When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty” – Thomas Jefferson.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, isn’t it nice to at least feel like someone is actually reading and responding to your letter? I’ve been lucky that way also with two of my representatives. One, Devan Nunes, had one of his assistants call me because he was in DC fighting the HC debacle and the 2nd Dave Cogdill always responds with with a personal letter unlike Boxer and Feinstein who send the generic email responses.

        • Al Sieber

          Thanks, DaveH, I’ll check it out. I believe Nov. might be our only chance, but I have my doubts, this country is too far gone, I only hope that enough people have awoken.

  • dan az

    Chip if there is a november election then they will see there mistakes in the unemployment lines.Hopefully this will be the biggest turn out in history, the only thing that obumer has done that I would have to give him credit for.Thank God!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      dan az,
      On the news today they showed a graph on the unemployment levels in the last two years. the rate was low when nobama took over then spiked to just over 10% and now is dropping again with the election coming up. the spike was just into the middle of the time shown. If nobama wants to claim the drop in the last few weeks then he also has to claim the spike!!! He can’t have it both ways!!!

      • American Citizen

        More jobs are still being lost than are being created. The unemployment rate is higher than the government claims due to the fact a lot of people have stopped looking and are content to take unemployment money. The only spike happened during the census due to the new government jobs, but those are gone and the rate went up again. The MSM won’t tell the truth about what is happening.

        As for the illegals, the second time they are caught, throw them in prison for a while before sending them back to let them know it’s 3 times and you’re out – a long prison term.

        The troops coming back from Iraq should immediately be sent to the border to stop the illegals from coming in. We are being invaded and the military is supposed to stop invasions.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          American Citizen,
          The only problem with a long prison term, at least a normal prison, is that we the people would still have to support them!! Put them in a prison like sheriff Joe Arapao runs, make them raise their own food and build the fence as well.

      • dan az

        Good point joe but you know he will blame it on bush.then take the credit.

  • THINKING ABOUT

    I guess many are lowering their standards in backing Gingrich, one of the leaders in impeaching a president for affairs and we know Gingrich’s record on that, very consistant. If Gingrich had spent more time on focusing on the open borders and illegals when he was speaker, perhaps this would have been shut down many years ago. No, we have another 12 years of open borders. I would like to see Gingrich explain this one away. Maybe his own affairs and incorrect issues to spend his time on left our borders open.

    • Dagney

      Impeachment of Clinton was for LYING TO A GRAND JURY. Stop your ignorant prattle and/or trying to rewrite history. We know that’s a favorite pasttime of the left, however, people on the right are now on to it. The ones who were asleep are now reading, reading, reading. Your nonsense isn’t doing anything but make YOU look bad.

      • tg7357

        Isn’t the internet a wonderful thing? The information you can dig up on people who don’t want it found!! I really think Clinton would have been tossed out of the White House on his well worn a## if the internet had been a little more accessable back in the day. Well, one learns from the mistakes of the past: look out Obama!!! What goes on the ‘net stays on the net!!!!

        • Bob

          There is also alot of misinformation on the internet.

      • DaveH

        That is true, Dagney, but even if he had been impeached for his “affairs”, as the Left likes to promote, that would be a very valid reason. Can we trust a man with the kind of power that a President has, when his wife can’t even trust him?

        • Dagney

          The left cares not for the content of character. In fact, they REWARD people with character flaws. It just means that the elitists can feel perfectly fine looking down on others. They know they, themselves, are flawed, so they encourage others to be MORE flawed so they can continue to feel superior. It is my contention that people on the left have severe mental disorders. The sooner we start recognizing that, the sooner we can start getting them real help and not electing them to office or allowing them to teach our children.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          DaveH,
          what thinking(?) likes to forget is that Clintoon did his deed IN the white house. Gingrich did the deed outside the government bldgs completely!!! Not only did Slick Willie do the deed and lie about it, he had no respect for the office he was elected to!!!

      • eddie47d

        Dagney; You’re never the one to answer a question directly,so you are the one who looks bad. Let’s try it again! Why after 12 years didn’t Gingrich spend more time on the open border issue? Why didn’t he tie it into the NAFTA vote? Why is immigration a problem now and it wasn’t just a few years ago? Is it because Obama’s President? The problems are about the same so it must be your hatred for Obama;right? Obama has deported 389,000 already and has more agents on the border than President Bush did. Too many righties are trying to make history now instead of taking responsibility for all their past screw ups. Newt will be the same horse running in a different race.

        • Dagney

          I’m sorry, I see no question directed at me? I’m not defending anyone, Newt, Bush, Obama on the illegal immigration issue. This is has been a problem for years and years since Reagan illadvisedly granted amnesty the first, and, hopefully, only time. It’s starting to come to a head now because it’s obvious the statist in chief wants more votes because he is going to need them next time around. However, I don’t even think if he does manage to legalize them all, he will have a prayer after the anger he has generated for himself on his complete lack of American sensibilities (the man is NOT an American whether he was born in Hawaii or not!) and incompetence in all other areas.

        • JeffH

          Now now fast eddie. Dagney; You’re never the one to answer a question directly,so you are the one who looks bad?

          Aren’t you about as hypocritical as one can get about answering questions? You duck and dodge questions like you’re in a dodge ball game. C’mon, like when was the last time you answered anything on this board. You’re so great with liberal scenarios and generalizations but so, so short on answers and even shorter on the facts…this make me howl with laughter, the simplest case of the pot calling the kettle, oh never mind. It ain’t gonna change anyways!

          • eddie47d

            Okay half baked Jeff! You tell me why Newt didn’t solve the immigration problem after 12 years? You can sprew you usual bile but come up with nothing. Now turn over and bake the other side!

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, you can’t even stay on subject. You’re a straight up hypocrite! In case you haven’t read, I’m not fond of Newt either. Did that escape you when you trolled around here or did you conveniently forget?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JeffH,
            He’s in dodgeball class. Remember, if you can dodge a question, you can dodge a ball!!!

          • eddie47d

            Jeffy; Newt’s name was brought up so weren’t you paying attention again? You and I both have a right to respond to whomever we want so do you have a problem with that? Oh,I forgot only righties have rights!

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, wrong one more time…you accused Dagney of never answering a direct question and I properly noted that you are a complete hypocrit with that comment as you NEVER answer a direct question and YOU always slink away like a liberal rat!

          • DaveH

            But Eddie will take our comments and twist our words and accuse us of saying things we never said. One more weapon in the Liberal arsenal. Please, readers, if Eddie accuses us of saying something, look at our actual comment for the truth. Don’t take Eddie’s word for it.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            DaveH,
            If edduhh! said it was raining and I could see water on the window, I’d still stick my hand out the window to make sure!!!

          • eddie47d

            Dave H. Okay readers if Dave says anything please go back and re-read his comments and see if he can back them up against the responses. If he can’t and only resorts to put downs then you know his original story line may not be true. He and Jeff do the same thing all the time so don’t trust their responses and don’t fall for their good cop bad cop routine.

          • JeffH

            fast edduh! Everybody on this website can read and reread your comments and DaveH comments and my, JeffH, comments and see the absurdity of your comments over and over again. Other than point out the rediculousness of what you say time and again. You must think facts are something you send throuh a fax machine because you NEVER PRESENT ANY! You are a classic case of “STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES”.

            I doubt that there are but a handfull that provide the source or links to the information that is used in the comments on here, and I can truthfully say DaveH and I are two of them. All you do is generalise and stray away from the discussion and run like a scalded dog from any requests of your source of info. The difference between reality and what,s in your head is infinite.

            Sorry liberal, you just don’t make the grade.

          • eddie47d

            Wrong again Jeffy Just because you say something doesn’t make it true. I know some of Dave’s links are half baked and many of your comments are too!

    • Bob

      He’s spent the last 12 years getting rich and now when he wants to be president he starts saying what the people want to hear. He’s still a weasel.

      • http://none John Detwiler

        Well Bob you can call Gingrich a weasel. But I would rather have him in the white house than the pacifying, apologist, arrogrant and narcissistic, and inexperianced person now in charge. Just wait if gingrich decided to run as president, then you will see just how incompetent ist the person he will have to debate if Obama will even debate. Gingrich has more leglistative knowledge in his little finger, than Obama has or even will have in his entire body. But I suppose you voted for him once and will probably do so again out of your so called party unity.

        • DaveH

          What everybody should know about Gingrich. Listen carefully to what he is saying:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdP1I7uzI7Y&feature=related

          It all sounds so good. But unlike in the Movies, we don’t really know who the bad guys are unless we allow Government to surveil our every movement and suspend our Constitutional Rights. And then who says they aren’t the Bad Guys? Our Forefathers gave their lives to secure our Freedom, and we are going to let these “protectors” take that away for something that might happen?

          As Ben Franklin said “Those who would give up Essential Liberty
          to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”.

        • Al Sieber

          Screw Newt, he’s just the other side of the same coin.

        • Bob

          I don’t want either. I switched to Rep to vote for Ron Paul in the primary and then voted for Chuck Baldwin in November.

          • Conservative at Birth

            So in reality, you voted for Obama, as Baldwin had no chance of winning. You fool.

          • DaveH

            No Conservative,
            You are the fool. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still just evil. It is why we are in this mess now. Better to “throw away” your vote than to vote for somebody who really isn’t interested in your Freedom.

          • DaveH

            Thanks to Big Government Republicans, who aren’t much better than Democrats, the Overton Window just keeps sliding to the Left. And the voters don’t know any better, because most don’t even know there is a good alternative. Until we start “throwing away” our votes and bringing ever-increasing public awareness to the fact that there is a better solution, then we will keep on sliding left.

          • Al Sieber

            Conservative At Birth, DaveH said it right, but I and, probably Bob, voted our conscience, a vote for any of the 2 canidates, was a vote against the constitution, who did you vote for? what chance did Chuck Baldwin have? my vote was a FU vote against the Govt., a protest vote.

          • Al Sieber

            C.A.B., if voting counted, it would be illegal.

  • hflashman

    More blathering from the GOP to throw red meat to their lapdogs. I note the rush by the GOP to intrduce any legislation on Immigration Reform. I note the lack of the calls by any side as to punishing the real criminals and tax evaders…those illegally employing undocumented workers. And I not espcially the lack of any call by those posting here to punish those true crimnals costing us jobs and taxes…again, those that illegally emloy undocumented workers.

    I doubt one will read two posts here today calling for the real criminals to be brought to justice and social stigma. Yet y’all scream about Americans losing jobs and taxes being too high.

    Think about that…don’t wait for your GOP robot controllers to tell you what to think… It will be difficult to most here, but give it a try.

    • RoBoTech

      Hate much?
      You Sir, are a buffoon!

      • TIME

        RBT,

        He so enjoys his rants of lunacy, so to he’s worth a few really funny jokes now and then, so enjoy his rants for the humor they present.

        I LMAO, with most of his rants, his stage name should be Flash the Funny Man.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        RBT,
        Not only that, he disappointed me! when he started talking about punishing the real criminals and tax evaders, I thought for the first time since he’s been on here, that he was going to say something against Nobama’s cabinet!!!

      • Conservative at Birth

        Don’t waste time resonding to hflash.

    • Lubo

      Ole flashman again… the uber-progressive…..

      Flash my man, once again you spout the same ole divisive foolishness. I thought that was your complaint about we conservatives. I would suggest that you practice what you preach, if you want to make any “Progress”.

      The fact is, you only speak of one side of the coin when it comes to this ILLEGAL INVASION of our country. Yes, we agree on something, we should go after those who employ illegals, including our representatives in Washington, who employ those illegals.

      So let’s get busy with a solution by first building the FENCE and then documented those who have ILLEGALLY entered OUR coountry. Once we have documented those folks, and since they broke in line, then they should be sent to the back of the line, and then and only then should they have a PATH to CITIZENSHIP.

      So yep, your are correct, let’s get these criminals rounded up on both sides of the coin and then and only then will the problem be solved.

      So before you fire back with your typical progressive hate slurs, etc, I DO BELIEVE IN LEGAL IMMIGRATION to our GREAT NATION. That is what made it GREAT so can it before you say it. Now, those who want to come here, GREAT, learn the language and pledge your allegiance to the UNITED STATED OF AMERICA not MEXICO and SPEAK ENGLISH!!!!

      • hflashman

        If there weren’t jobs here, the main reason to come here wouldn’t exist. Why are there jobs? Because no one faces any punishment … either by law or by social stigma. And thus the criminals who knowingly employ undocumented workers evade taxes and cost Americans jobs.

        As for what they put into “law”? Give me a break. the Az law has so many loopholes for employer sanctions swiss cheese holds more water. And when was the last time you chastized or chewed on someone you knew for employing undocumented workers….and don’t say you don’t know anyone who does…we all know someone who does.

        But it’s easier and conceneient to demand the poor slob looking for a job is punished, harassed and demonized. I mean, isn’t that what the TP and Conservative movement is about these days? Go after the poor guy who is looking for a job?

        • Conservative at Birth

          They are criminals. Violating the laws of this country. Although it is a misdemeanor it is still a violation period. It should be made a felony. All violators including those who employ the illegals should be prosecuted. I know no one who employs illegals do you?

          • Bob

            Here in NJ the illegals gather in small towns and wait for the contractors and landscapers to pick them up. I even know citizens who pick them up to work in their yard or do masonry, carpentry or other little jobs. The only way to end the problem is to start local and organize to keep these people from picking them up.

          • http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/29/60minutes/main2625305.shtml cemott3rd

            Yes plenty, where are you hiding? Try looking in most restaurants. Blaming the illegals for coming is like blaming the ants for eating the honey you left out open. This has been going on for 30+ years and NOW it is a big issue for the GOP?!

            It was so bad in LA 25 years ago I moved to Australia and then to Amsterdam and worked illegally, because the wages dropped so dramatically and if you can’t beat ‘em join ‘em!

          • hflashman

            You know no one using a Spanish speaking or foreign born housekeeper/babysitter/nanny? A lawn care service? A contractor hiring temp labor (the worst offenders IMO) If you say you don’t know anyone, then you havent taken the time to look around …

            And yes, I do say something to anyone I know who has or is employing undocumented workers. I say plenty.

          • eddie47d

            Conservative; There are plenty who knowingly hire illegals. The Purdue chicken farms as with most agriculture entities advertise in Mexico and even bring these immigrants back. In the case of Purdue, which to me is disgusting,there is a sinister reason for it. They do want cheap labor and they bring in far more than they need. When the INS comes a knocking they throw a few illegals to the wolfs and the INS leaves them alone for awhile. This is repeated a few times a year and they go down to Mexico and get some more new hires. Hell of a racket and a burden on INS agents. It’s also wrong to treat these immigrants as human waste knowing that they will be sent back. What jerks!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            edduhh!
            That can’t be true!!! All you progressives say that they only come here and do the jobs that Americans won’t do!!! Which is it edduhh?? Make up your mind!!!!

        • Lubo

          Ole FLASHMAN…..You seem to be a very confused person,full of HATE. In fact, in the last blog you actually called your fellow conservative Americans “Terrorists”. Given that, your opinion means very little to us who are looking for answers. Please give us a break from the Mire and the Muck of your life.

          Now, looking for a job while you are trespassing seems to be self-defeating, does it not? So again, when you want to have a meaningful discussion about this VERY LARGE problem of illegal immigration where upon we examine BOTH SIDES of the coin, then let me know. Otherwise I find you, your mentality and hatred towards our GREAT NATION, disgusting!

          Also, I have turned in several who were found to be employing illegal aliens and I have personally NEVER employed one. So once again, your “Assumptive Nature” sheds all the light we need to see your foolishness.

        • thinking

          THE hflash?
          Most do not come for jobs. They come to have there children born here at no cost (75% of babies born at Parkland in Dallas are from illegal parents) so they become citizens. Then they can collect food, money and place to live from the taxpayers. The others come because they are ciminals and would have to go to jail in their own country and here they may get deported but usally just get let go to commit another crime as is stated in the artical. Do you read the articals?

          • http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/29/60minutes/main2625305.shtml cemott3rd

            Funny the majority I have met over the years, and I have met a lot, work 2 jobs and have no kids here, but send money home and save to one day return to a better life in their homeland.

          • Al Sieber

            thinking, you hit the nail on the head.

          • Bob

            Cemott3rd What BS You’re family should have quit after Cemott 2nd.

          • eddie47d

            THINKING!?? Most do come here for jobs and work hard. You don’t hear about them only the drug runners and the pregnant ones. They are the ones who are sensationalized and you love every minute of it. That’s why I believe this site is right up there with the National Enquirer. So start thinking and dig into the history of immigration and why has every group since our founding been looked down on. Every ethnic and racial group has faced an overseer or corporation that has used and abused them. Why does every generation feel they have to keep doing the same to somebody? Go after the businesses who do the hiring and leave the workers alone.

          • Bon, from the Land of Babble

            Thinking, you are correct.

            They come here for Free American Taxpayer Money.

            And, they’re only doing what the government allows them to do. An impenetrable wall could be built tomorrow if the government so desired.

            I live in California, and it is 100% verboten here to speak of the cost to taxpayers, estimated to be approximately 10 billion dollars, of the illegal alien fiscal burden–the hospital closures due to unpaid medical services, the impact on the schools, their use of social services, the displacement of the productive population–all forbidden topics when discussing how to close the 19-billion dollar budget gap.

            I heard tonight that California is on the verge of issuing IOUs (again) to state workers: “…50-day-late state budget, state employees and the state’s fiscal standing stand to be the biggest losers… state Controller John Chiang said Thursday he will have to issue IOUs in the next two to four weeks to keep the state solvent as it tries to close a $19 billion gap…”

            IOUs were previously issued in 2009 and… “the biggest U.S. banks refused to accept California’s IOUs…”

            Those IOUs are about as worthless as the American dollar.

            Bon

          • American Citizen

            It doesn’t matter why the come here, illegal is illegal making them criminals. Our teenagers can’t find jobs. The unemployment rate for teens is highest for blacks. To say they take jobs Amerians won’t do is a flat out lie. I know a lot of teens who want to work, but can’t get a job.

        • DaveH

          Yeah, Flashman, and if we didn’t have any property, there would be no thieves. What a dolt.
          The fact is that we pay the Government to enforce the laws. We don’t pay Corporations to enforce the laws.
          Most of us here know that Liberals look for any chance to tear down those who are productive. Ahh, the politics of envy. What would Cuba have been without them? What would the USSR have been without them? What would North Korea have been without them?
          Why don’t you Liberals use all that time wasted seeking the lowest common denominator to do something productive instead?

          • hflashman

            So if the government doesn’t arrest someone for robbing you, then it’s OK. hmmm….

          • DaveH

            It’s obvious that my second sentence is correct.

          • eddie47d

            Dave H.:You tear down productive illegal immigrants who are trucked in from Mexico who work in “your” corporations! Why aren’t corporations enforcing the laws on those they hire? So much for a free rein on what they do. Why does the government always have to step in if these business are so capable of taking care of themselves?

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, shut up please! There is no such thing as a “productive” illegal immegrant. It is called a “criminal” illegal just for the record.

          • eddie47d

            Jeff H. Obviously they work allot harder than you. Maybe we could deport your butt. Nice that you like to tell folks to shut up,that really makes you an upstanding American. What class!!

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            Are you on drugs? Where did I “tear down” any illegal aliens?
            Good Grief. I think you and Bob Wire must be at the same party.

          • JeffH

            Fast eddie, can you expose your denseness any more than you already do? Just keep your lips flappin, that’ll expose it even more!

        • eddie47d

          Joe H. What are you on? You didn’t make any sense.

          • Conservative at Birth

            Did you mean Jeff H.? What are you on?

          • Conservative at Birth

            Let’s see… you want to deport people tha disagree with you. Then I want to depor you and hflash, along all of the other totalitarin socialists.

          • eddie47d

            Conservative;I was responsing to Joe at 10:59pm.

          • eddie47d

            Conservative??!; I was mocking Jeff H. in his lame come backs he always throws out,besides that many of you tell others to get off this site. So get a grip.

          • JeffH

            edduh! DUH!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JeffH,
            not one to correct anyone(HAHA) but eduh is spelled with two Hs edduhh47!!!!! HeHeHe!!!!

          • JeffH

            You got me Joe!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            edduhhh47duh!!!,
            I didn’t make a comment at 10:59!!!! Try again dufus!!!

        • Average Joe

          “You know no one using a Spanish speaking or foreign born housekeeper/babysitter/nanny? A lawn care service? A contractor hiring temp labor (the worst offenders IMO)”
          What I find amusing is that you Liberals make statements like this assuming that this is the only work that Mexicans are capable of doing and unfortunately most of the Mexicans think that you are defending them …when in fact, you are degrading them. You are actually incouraging them to not better themselves….so that they can continue doing menial tasks at low wages.
          I believe that they are capable of becomming Doctors, Lawyers, Teachers, Business Owners, Scientists etc. but to do so, they must come here legally. peole like you defend the fact they they come here illegally and work in jobs that have no better future than what they have left behind, only now they have to live in the shadows of our society. That makes you the oppressor of the Mexican people by doing so. I want them to come here legally and become a benifit to our nation and not have to live in the shadows that they are forced into , simply because a few American’s want cheap labor…in the form of..”housekeeper/babysitter/nanny? A lawn care service? A contractor hiring temp labor”.
          I offer them hope and a brighter future. You want to keep them in the shadows and keep them doing meaningless labor…shame on you.

          • libertytrain

            Nicely said.

    • tg7357

      FLashman: the problem isn’t just with the GOP, but with ALL political parties. They are populated by hacks, crooks and cheats in Washington, who are desperate need of reality checks and term limits. But until the voters give them a healthy dose of ‘kicked to the curb’, nothing is going to change. So instead of baiting the republicans and conservatives, help us dump the nitwits in Washington and start to fix America. Otherwise, you are as much of the problem as the politicians are.

    • FlaJim

      You’re a leftist troll but you never give up, do you? The Big Lie, as Josef Goebbels explained, is giving the same misinformation over and over until it’s accepted as what your lefties like to preface with, “everyone knows…”

      Some of the biggest tax evaders are in the current executive branch and number among its minions. We have been screaming that these people be punished but the DOJ does nothing – or maybe slaps them on the wrist.

      I suspect you get your talking points from airheads at the Huffington Post but don’t digest them too well.

      Since you can’t read anything longer than half a page and hope to retain it, the AZ immigration law imposes severe penalties on employers who hire illegals (invaders). Two strikes and you’re out – of business – and facing serious fines and possible jail time.

      This will probably take a little time for you to comprehend. Take it a paragraph at a time. Wouldn’t want to to get the vapors.

      • Dagney

        I would actually argue that if our esteemed government enforced the laws already on the books, we would not need to build that fence. If there are no jobs to be had, and police officer’s hands were untied to arrest illegals, the illegals would not even come here. Then, maybe just then, they would have a reason to start their own revolution and FIX their own darn country! Wouldn’t that be novel????

        • Lubo

          Dagney….You make a very good point….hard to argue with common sense.

        • American Citizen

          For once, I agree with you.

      • Lubo

        FlaJim….You nailed the Ole Flashman to the T. I have been reviewing his comments very carefully and it is obvious that he does the ole Cut and Paste out of his favorite progressive-marxist newspaper. Some of “his” posts have entirely different sentence structures that were obviously written by someone else.

        Typical LAZY hate filled progressive. To lazy to speak or think for himself, so he copies others, like a parrot.

        • hflashman

          LOL …. analyzed my posts and now declare they are cut and paste? Now THAT is hilarious. I cannot recall the last time I read Huffington. It’s called independent thought…something you are obviously not familiar with. I’m not a Conservative, not a wacked TPer, and certaily not a Liberal. I am a thinking American…you should try it somtime.

      • eddie47d

        Flajim; All tax evaders shouldn’t be given the time of day in their scamming the system. It’s unfortunate for all the loopholes that get used. That will be an interesting law in Arizona on the two strikes and your out of business. That should make headlines if it’s ever enforced. I’ll certainly be watching.

    • thinking

      THE hflash?
      Why if Arizona police are not allowed to ask if you are here legally do you want business to become the police? Why should business have to check if you are legal, that is not there job. If I hirer someone to cut my grass I have to check their papers to make sure they are legal? Do I get a badge and gun so as to arrest anyone that doesn’t have the proper papers? Do you think of what you type or is it a list given to you from democrate headquarters that you copy to your response?

      • Dagney

        It is the employers job because it is ILLEGAL to hire someone not here in the country legally. Makes sense? They have all kinds of LAWS they must conform to. Why is so hard to make sure you are hiring true AMERICANS?????

        • tg7357

          Because the Feds make it so hard to do the checks. Ask too many questions and the ACLU and their buddies come knocking on your door.
          When I hired on with my present employer, I had to provide information for a 10 year background check with the FBI AND state authorities. But I know for a fact that same employer didn’t check the bonafides of the painters they contracted to come in here and repaint the hallways!!!

          • http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/29/60minutes/main2625305.shtml cemott3rd

            It’s called a W-9 and all employers are required to have it filled out and documented properly, by law. To hire an illegal knowingly is up to a $20K fine for EACH employee acording to the 1986 Immigration Reform Act, so what they do is hire them through an agency (usually owned and run by an immigrant) so the employer is not held accountble. It is common in most of the lower 48, especially AZ, TX, OK, CA, CO, NM, etc.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            cemot3rd,
            that’s the problem. to prove that they KNOWINGLY hired an illegal. Just make it illegal to hire one at all!!! You hire a landscaper to cut your grass? Make him give you a paper that guarantees he doesn’t hire illegals. then if a problem arises HE GOES TO JAIL. Problem solved!! Factories are required to use E-verify right now but the government doesn’t enforce it because E-verify is only renewed a year or two at a time. Make it permanent and enforce it!! As far as hiring someone to mow, just use common sense. If they are trying to get hired to do anything, they can’t refuse to show papers!!

        • DaveH

          Thinking is right. We all know that there is a law requiring Employers to be the Immigration Police. So what? Does that make it right to force our Corporations to be the Immigration Police? We pay the Government Big Money to enforce our laws. They need to do their jobs instead of palming them off on the people who provide us with jobs. You said in an earlier comment (like Flashman said) that if they couldn’t get jobs, they wouldn’t come. And like I told Flashman, if we didn’t have property there wouldn’t be thieves.
          The Mexicans aren’t the cause of our weak economy. They are just scapegoats for the real cause of our weak economy – Big Government. Big Government is draining our financial resources and must continually pit us against the Enemy du Jour to divert our attention away from that reality.
          Hong Kong has 3 times the population density as our most densely populated state, and yet their economy is robust. They pay 15% of their GDP for Government. We pay 37% of our GDP for Government.
          Put the blame where it belongs!

          • eddie47d

            Come on Dizzy Dave! Hong Kong doesn’t have the infrastructure that any State would and does have. Not as many bridges,roads,miles of sewer lines and utility cables or as many municipalities. How do they figure in their farmers? opps! They don’t have any! They are like wealthy Singapore another CITY which is very selective and self contained. Hong Kong has wall to wall high rises and deals in shipping and finances. You could compare it to NYC but not the whole State. You said big government is draining our finances,okay, that can be a reasonable assumption.Yet above that you said that corporations shouldn’t have to deal with who they hire (to be the police). Well then, it would fall back on the government. That same government which is “draining our finances”. They would have to hire more government workers to police the corporations. That sounds like a circular firing squad! Both have to work in unison to keep on top of illegals.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, leave it to fast eddie to put his minimal focused mind on Hong Kong. I can only shake my head and laugh at him.

          • eddie47d

            Jeff H. Do you live on the same planet as the rest of us? You come up with nothing yet act like you are king. Do some thinking instead of blowing putrid hot air!

          • DaveH

            Dizzy Dave?
            Eddie, you really must put down those doobies. You know absolutely nothing about what Hong Kong or Singapore have. Do you think you have any credibility at all anymore?
            For those who want to learn a little more:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong

          • DaveH
          • DaveH

            And Slow Eddie,
            JeffH contributes orders of magnitude more factual information to this board than you do. Most of your comments consist of personal attacks in lieu of facts. Typical Liberal.

          • eddie47d

            Dave H. Just like I said Hong Kong is into financial and shipping. Your site said it’s mostly a service industry dealing in finance. I don’t have to smoke doobies to know the facts. Now I will say your comparison is even more lame. Next time come up with a better answer(comparison).

          • eddie47d

            Dave ,I would say your the one with the credibility problem. You use to be more factual and honest.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, “facts” must have a new meaning as well as credibility.

          • DaveH

            In 1998, overall government expenditures in the United States were 28% of GDP. Now they are 37% of GDP, a 30% increase in 12 years.
            Has our infrastructure increased 30% in those 12 years, Eddie? If anything it has decreased. I have noted a worsening of our roads in the last decade.
            Eddie is just grasping at straws with his Infrastructure comment. For it’s size, my guess would be that Hong Kong has much more Infrastructure than any area of comparable size in our country since it is so densely populated. I will leave it up to interested parties to research that. But certainly don’t take Eddie’s word for it. His “facts” are made up on the fly like most Liberal facts:
            http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/economies/Asia-and-the-Pacific/Hong-Kong-INFRASTRUCTURE-POWER-AND-COMMUNICATIONS.html

          • eddie47d

            You’re on the wrong side again Davee H.; Infrastructure is way down because it usually takes government expenditure dollars to get a project off the ground. Whether it is Federal money or State money and private companies involved in those infrastructure dollars seldom provide their own money. Since it takes a wide majority to approve road construction or dam building or whatever and Republicans and Libertarians always vote against these projects;Well the obvious is that nothing gets done. I’ve heard conservatives complain how bad some roads are to their representative. That Representative will turn around and vote against that very project.That bridge collapse in Minnesota is a prime example of politics being played out. The Governor will play tough on spending and refuse to get weakened bridges repaired. The same thing happens in my State where 112 bridges are in major need of repair. The Republicans always kick the can down the road even though these repairs are a necessity.

          • JeffH

            edduh! You are like a bright and shining star in the universe of idiots and every one can watch you shine brighter than all of the other idiot stars.

      • Bob

        During the last presidential debate it was brought out by Rudy Giuliani that Mitt Romney was hiring illegals. If it was against the law why wasn’t he charged.

      • TIME

        Thinking,
        Oh no, you cought old flash in da pan dead on with his pretzel form of logic! :-)
        You see if it were not for outright stupid things to say, he would have little else to say.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        thinking:
        Your “Gun and Badge” is your ability to say “NO” in hiring anyone you doubt is illegal. They’re really not too hard to spot. Inability to speak English is normally a dead give-away. hire the kid next door to cut your grass or do it yourself. I’m a disabled Vet and manage to cut my 4 acres twice a week.

        1) As to big companies that regularly hire illegals; make the fine so high that it’s cost prohibitive to hire them without proof of citizenship.

        2) Cut-off all social-welfare funding for illegals; let them go bankrupt San Francisco and other sanctuary cities. See how long their citizens put up with that crap.

        3) As to the aurgument about American not being willing to do the work, cut way back on the welfare system. Hunger is a great motivator to get out of bed and get a job.

        4) Repeal or re-write the 14th Ammendment. It’s original intent was to make former slaves and their off-spring citizens; not open the door to illegals via anchor babies.

        5) Scale back on all immagration. No one from 3rd World Countries, especially the Middle East, without a formal education that we can use. We have enough cab drivers and convienent store operators. The days of manual labor, mill jobs are basically a thing of the past. what’s left should go to Americans.

        • AnhydrousBob

          Gunner689:
          I agree with you in principle on all your items EXCEPT number 1. The principle of making government smaller and less oppressive, which points 2 thru 5 do, is most important. Item number 1 would give more power to the government to coerce and oppress the people – probably by misconstruing the law. Besides, Item 1 would not be an issue if you did the other ones first.

        • michelleo

          Gunner – That’s right AMEN

    • Conservative at Birth

      Exactly what immigration laws need to be reformed? Or, is this code for amnesty?

      • Dagney

        Yep. You got it. We do not need more laws. If fact, I would argue that we need less. Part of the left’s ideology is to confuse the law by adding more laws that you have no hope of complying with. You confuse people so much, you can get away with all kinds of crap. There is no “rule of law” on the left.

        • Lubo

          Agreed! That is why the Obamacare bill is 2,700 pages long where as our constitution is what? About 17 pages maybe?

          • Bill J

            The Constitution is 6 pages long!

          • DaveH

            That in fact is an oft used Legal tactic. To drown the judge in documents that he/she will be unlikely to read.

        • Dagney

          Yes, our wonderful Constitution is elegant in its simplicity. It says what it means, and means what it says. However, knowing human nature so well, some of the founding fathers then wrote the Federalist Papers for complete clarification. If we do not educate ourselves on what is in those documents, how can we know when people are trampling on our rights? Here’s an example: there is no right to citizenship for babies born to illegal aliens in the 14th Amendment. It is a trick the left has been playing for years to circumvent our “rule of law”. Just like there is no “right to marriage”, for anyone, in the Constitution. ONE judge in California has given that right to a select few, stating it is, in fact, in the Constitution. He overturned with a swoop of a pen Proposition 8 and disenfranchised 7,000,000 people who voted for it.

          • Conservative at Birth

            Since the mother was here illegally, does that not make the child in the womb illegal as well? They shoul be subject to deportation as well.

          • DaveH

            Gay Marriage. Another one of those Red Herrings that Government employs to keep us fighting amongst each other while they grow ever larger.
            Who cares? If they want to be stupid enough to legally bind themselves to each other, let them. The only real problem would come if the Gays were allowed to force ministers or other religious organizations to perform the marriage ceremonies.
            We need to tackle the disease, not the symptoms. We need to get our freedom back. And that isn’t going to happen until we shrink the size of Government dramatically.

          • meteorlady

            The 14th Amendment was drafted to protect the newly freed slaves so that they would have citizenship. It was not intended to give legal status to a pregnant illegal who enters this country through fraud, drops into the nearest hospital emergency room or free clinic and drops her kid at the expense of the American taxpayer.

            Some historians believe that this amendment was never truly ratified because there we controversy over the way it was voted on. Most southern states would not vote to ratify it so the government declared a sort of martial law and voted it in. I believe it’s time to rethink that Amendment and do the right thing for our country.

          • meteorlady

            I agree with Dave H – what do we care if a bunch of people want to protect their sexual preferences? It’s of no consequence and will not make others that are against the lifestyle like it any better than they do now. It’s a form of government legitimization to the gay community, but does nothing to actually make most people believe it’s right.

            Government loves to give us something to be concerned about and divide us. It’s their way of creating crisis so that they have to act in a hurry before we really figure out what’s going on.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            DaveH,
            That is exactly what will happen! Look at what happened to the abortion pill that was made legal under the name morning after pill. Ther were phamacies that refused to dispense it due to religeous objections and were sued!!! The courts decided that they had to dispense!!

          • DaveH

            Very possibly, Joe. But if that does happen, Freedom lovers everywhere must stand up and squash it. We need to attack the actual affronts to our freedom, not the potential affronts.
            It has long been a burr in my saddle that the good people are made to jump through numerous hoops in a vain effort to eliminate the potential acts of bad people, instead of leaving the good people alone and punishing the bad people when they actually perform their evil acts.

          • DaveH

            And Joe,
            Libertarians would get the government out of the business of telling private pharmacies how to conduct their business.

        • Lubo

          Depends on the font size and the size of the paper…..(:>

    • Bob

      In the last few months there have been alot of attacks on Mexicans living in Staten Island New York. Now the Mexican gov’t wants to send troops there to protect their citizens. You can’t make this stuff up.

      • Conservative at Birth

        I would be interested in learning more about this. Do you have a web site or link?

      • Dr. Mabuse

        This is beyond incredible. The hubris of the Mexican “government”
        is staggering. Their “troops” would be put to better use curtailing the drug cartels. Our troops would be put to better use rounding up the illegals (and their sympathizers) and shipping their azzes back over the border. And yes, I have a Brown shirt in my closet just waiting to be put into use.

        • Al Sieber

          Dr., I’m with you, at least it’s a brown shirt, not red.

      • hflashman

        But you just did ….

        • DaveH

          Spoke a little too soon, didn’t you, Liberal?

    • JeffH

      hflashman, I’ll continue eat the red meat while you suck down your liberal gruel like a good little liberal anti-corporate communist. Why would the government want to shut down businesses over illegal hiring when the government can do it better with taxes and regulations? That way they can collect some tax money and keep those oppresed and poor hard working illegals right here in America.

    • meteorlady

      Actually I believe that Bush tried for immigration reform. It’s just that he had to throw in amnesty to get his reform passed. That made a lot of people mad and thus nothing got done AGAIN!

      We gave amnesty to 2.3 million illegals in 1986 and 83% obtained their “legal” status through fraud. Reagan signed the bill because the DEMOCRATS PROMISED TO SEAL THE BORDER. That never happened as the Democrats reneged and didn’t properly fund this endeavor. After 10 years the newly “legal” immigrants had brought another 1.2 million of their relatives into the country and most were living of the government entitlements programs. It was estimated that these new “legal” residents and citizens were costing the American taxpayers about $10 million per year in entitlements and when they were able to obtain SS benefits (think disability), the cost escalated to around $27 million. These figures are in 1986 dollars so figure out today what that has come to. Even more telling is that 53% settled in California.

      You need to go study up on history and facgts before posting. I think you will find that the posters on this sight are more intelligent and to fall for the things you post.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Meteorlady,
        You remember it well!! There was one other part as well. We the people raised so much hell with our reps tha we stopped the Bush Amnesty dead in the water!!! We made so many calls, sent so many E-mails and sent so many letters that politicians started worrying about their jobs!! Amnesty never became a fact during the Bush years!!

    • Bob

      I live in NJ and never knew there was a bill submitted in the legislature to stop illegal immigration. The newspapers never write anything about it. I saw it by accident on the internet on ALIPAC.com

      • Al Sieber

        Bob, I get e-mails from them too, were they recent? I’m way behind on their messages.

        • Bob

          I haven’t gotten anything in 2 or 3 weeks. Try numbersusa.com

          • Al Sieber

            Thanks Bob.

  • http://none Daphne H.

    Politicians like Gengrich talk a good game after not performing while they had the opportunity. If he had truly wanted to address the open borders he would have done what (as the Dumocrats have) pushed harder.

    Gengrich talks out both sides of his mouth(typical career politician) as he did with Sotomayer-first he was against her then he was for her.

    When ask to serve Obama by teaming up with Sharpton to enable the National Education Association to push their radical agenda on our children Newt stepped right up and said yes sir.

    We need people in Congress who are of high moral character and will honor their oath to uphold the Constitution. Right now we have no one that has no already sold their souls just to be elected.

    • Lubo

      Daphne…Do you want to run?

      • http://none Daphne

        LUBO, Afraid my qualifications for being a politician are not up to the standards of the corruption in Washington.

        I was never involved in politics(other than voting) until Obama was elected (I did not vote for him) but I am now. Hope to get conservative candidates in. I am working to vet candidates by checking their backgrounds and voting records. We have to get the Democrats and Rinos out of office they have stolen our children and grandchildren’s futures.

        • Lubo

          BRAVO! Consider a Rep seat…..we need good ole common sense folks to get us back on the right tract.

  • http://Spoton,Chip! Pete Hallock

    Good reporting, Chip. I wish there was someway to forward this excellent report without sending the entire email it came with,
    Best wishes,
    Pete Hallock
    Santa Maria, California

  • Gale Dawson

    Throw God out of this country and what do ya have? Hell. In the Holy Sprits words, Trust NO man. Greed and college edumacted stupidity. Fun isn’t it. Sad

    • hflashman

      What does your god have to do with it? BTW…is it a chrsitian god or another religion’s god? How many gods are there if there is one for Islam, one for Christian, then Bhudda, and Krishna, and a few others running around. Wonder if they receive mail at the same post office box?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        hf,
        If you don’t know, I’ll pray for your eternal soul tonight!!

  • tg7357

    This can of worms that is called the Federal Government has to be opened from the inside out. Its going to take citizens of states with a constitutional amendment (There are 19 of them, and the District of Columbia)that allows federal level senators and congressmen to be recalled between elections for cause. So far, from what the iternet says, its never been done by anyone. Well, this is the time for ‘hope and change’ and the impossible should be possible now. Once the citizens of a state succeeds in recalling a sitting federal politican, all h#ll is going to break loose and you’ll see a scramble for these useless poltical hacks to cover their butts. But until the ‘entitled’ politicians start gettng thrown out of their cushy jobs, nothing is going to change in the country. If it doesn’t happen in Novemenber, then America need to go to Plan B and start the recalls.

  • Rick

    I have to disagree on 1 point only..While in pricipal I agree that it makes no fiscal sense to keep them in our prison system, sending them back to a country to run free, likely right back across the border, makes little sense either.

  • Diane

    The LAST thing this country needs is reprehensible old Alvin Toffler disciple, Newt Gingrich, or as Chuck Baldwin refers to him, “The Grinch Who Stole Conservatism:” http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/home/?p=1997

    • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

      Thanks for the link Diane. It was quite refreshing to read Baldwins take on the Grinch. As a Progressive I could smell the stench behind Gingrich’s positioning himself as a populous figure when the conservatives were flocking to him (just like all the conservatives could smell Obama’s stench as the liberals flocked to him). I really appreciated Baldwin’s bringing to light Rear Admiral Chester Ward, who withdrew from the CFR after realizing their true agenda. I’m sure the Admiral would appreciate one of my heros, Marine General Smedley Butler, who wrote War is a Racket ( http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html#c1 ). It’s a great read and shed’s light on the workings of the power elite in the 30′s who are much more sophisticated in subterfuge today. I really advise anyone who thinks the US participates in “noble” military actions to read him. It may keep them from allowing their children to go die for some financial predator who wraps their agendas in the flag.

      • Diane

        Yes, Duende, Smedley Butler was a truly great man. Wish we had more like him. Another great from that bygone era was Representative Louis T. McFadden http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=16862 What amazing courage!

        • eddie47d

          Diane; Interesting article on the Federal Reserve Boardby Louis McFadden. “Substance and shadows” was a becoming phrase he used. We have all become those shadows.

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          Let’s not forget Senator Joe McCarthy. Regardless of the press attacks against him, he was right. The gvt. was and still is full of communist sympathizers

          • Diane

            gunner689, Eustace Mullins did research for Joe McCarthy, and stated (in the 2003 Rense article by James Dyer titled, “An Afternoon With Eustace Mullins”), “I [Eustace Mullins] introduced him [Joe McCarthy] to the real origins of Communism, which was the international bankers.” Mr. Mullins also stated, “Joe is still potrayed in the press daily as a monster that goaded people to their deaths, and they’ve never produced one person that he made a false accusation against.”

            Mr. Mullins passed away earlier this year. Pat Shannan wrote in his American Free Press article, “Legendary Populist Historian Eustace Mullins Dies:” “Considered by many to be the greatest political historian of the 20th century, Mullins’s meticulous research uncovered far more political secrets of government shenanigans than anyone else dared to touch.”

          • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

            Hey Gunner
            Communist sympathizers don’t worry me.. banker sympathizers do.. or those who are just ignorant of them (the majority). I think what’s interesting is that many are saying the bankers are the biggest supporters of the communists. That would make me wonder why would wealthy predators who want it all embrace a philosophy that says the wealth should be shared. Any body wonder why ? CONTROL.. if they can control this movement then it will be no threat to them.. They’ve accomplished this. They backed the worse of the worse in the Soviet Union and from that grew a “Communism” that would be repulsive to all. and to top it off they’ve made zillions from the cold war and all the little hot spot militaary actions created from this mock battle with the “Enemy of Freedom”. They’ve gotten it to s point that when many well intentioned people hear the words “re-distribution of Wealth” they freak out and start screaming “COMMUNIST” at who ever suggests the wealthy be taxed higher. Yup mission accomplished.. lambs all in their pens. And now we’ve got the newsest diversion. TERRORISM… Yup…The sheeple are ready for fleecing :-)

          • Diane

            Duende, here are some interesting excerpts from an article from good ol’ “Personal Liberty Digest” (The Federal Reserve Conspiracy by Antony C. Sutton):

            “He [Antony C. Sutton] also unearths a little-known document written by Clifford Roosevelt, a cousin to Franklin Delano Roosevelt, which was a forerunner to Roosevelt’s new deal. That manifesto, The Science of Government, Founded on Natural Law, written in 1841, proposed a totalitarian government without individual rights and run by an elitist establishment. The book has been removed from the Library of Congress catalog and only two editions are known to exist.

            Clifford Roosevelt was, of course, one of the elites, hailing from a long line of bankers and legislators. In addition to FDR, Clifford’s relatives included Theodore Roosevelt, John Quincy Adams and Van Buren. So it’s not surprising he would advocate a totalitarian government run by an elitist aristocracy.

            Karl Marx’s Communist Manifesto, written seven years later, contained many of the same themes as The Science of Government. Coincidentally, while writing his manifesto Marx was funded by a cabal of German and American bankers, and it espoused a 10-point plan to bring about the destruction of the middle class and establish control in the hands of the elite. Point No. 5 was the establishment of a central bank.”

            http://www.personalliberty.com/suggested-reading/the-federal-reserve-conspiracy-by-antony-c-sutton/

          • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

            Thanks for the link Diane. i just downloaded the whole The Federal Reserve Conspiracy off the internet. It seems like the elitists have all the bases covered. Control through communism or control through capitalism. Or at a political level Democrat or Republican. They’ve also seemed to do a pretty good job of controlling the Christian Churches on a whole as well. There’ all tax exempt lap dogs with too many willing to bless our wars as being approved by god. It seems to me the only way out if for each individual create the type of society they want and grow their own vegetables.

            Paz

            Duende

          • Diane

            Duende, it absolutely sickens me how the government tries to “control” the churches; this news clip about “clergy response teams” from a few years back is blood-curdling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRIDNQNsUss

            Tom Mullen brings up some important issues in his Thursday, December 10, 2009, article on his blog, “The U.S. Constitution: The 18th Century Patriot Act,” where he writes, “The U.S. Constitution does not embody the American spirit. It is a document that grants power to government. The document that truly embodies the American spirit is the Declaration of Independence, which was written expressly to remove all power from the existing government. If Americans are truly interested in reclaiming their liberty, they should look to this revolutionary document as the source of their inspiration. After such a long train of abuses, it is past time that we instituted new guards for our future security.”

            It seems we should scrap the treasonous U.S. Constitution and bring back the Articles of Confederation (at least). I love your comment, “It seems to me the only way out if for each individual create the type of society they want and grow their own vegetables.”

            We know that the further away power is from the people, the more likely it is to be corrupt! Not only that, but like you implied, not only government, but food itself, is better when it is local!

        • Al Sieber

          Diane, thanks for the links, I’ve been following Eustace Mullins for years.

  • Ron

    I agree with you except for – (A question from Chip: Why feed and house them at our expense? Let’s send them back where they came from immediately.)
    Sendin them right back – will just result in them comming back illegally again within days. Lets bring back hard times in prisons.
    Why should any felon. legal or illegal, be living at the taxpayers expense. It’s time to make them work to pay for the facilities and guards that are needed to seperate them from the rest of society. Once their time is done – then deport them.

    • Bob

      Put them on chaingangs and let them keep our streets and highways clean.

      • JeffH

        I recommend putting the whole prison system under the control of Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Imagine a prison system where the prisoners are actually contributing to their incarceration and the illegals are really deported after serving their sentance.

    • meteorlady

      As one that worked at Immigration I can tell you that they are usually back faster than the buses are that took them to the border.

  • http://www.dondehaven.com Don DeHAven

    I have to say that it is clear by now that not the Republican Party or the Democrat Party past or present have been willing to secure the borders or for that fact operate within the U S Constitution. Do any politicians from these two parties even respect the Constitution? They certainly have not kept their oaths of office. These two parties dog and pony show has been in the spotlight for decades and their failures are plain to see. These parties are so far from reality with all their failed promises to adhere to the u S Constitution that I have to ask how can sane and intelligent people continue to support these lies? It would be laughable if not for the fact that it is so destructive to this republic.

    The real fact of the matter is that states must now clearly and with all purpose take back their sovereignty and protect their own citizens. That is exactly what I am willing to do as Governor of Pennsylvania if elected in November. If Governors do not take an all out do or die approach to reclaim their individual state sovereignty and do so now, then there is no hope left for this republic. We are collapsing under the weight of federal government failures. It’s now up to the states.

    • tg7357

      Good luck with that! Go ask Arizona how much luck they are having fighting the Feds over amendments to their own state constitutions.Go ask Oklahoma, after the feds gutted HB1804. Did you know Eric Holder has threatened Oklahoma because they want to make English the official state language and are putting it on the November ballot? If they put it to a vote, the DOJ is going to sue them. So what we have here is 50 states (not counting the states already lost to rabid liberals) trying to defend their citizens against a federal government that wants to be part of the New World Order.

    • Bob

      You are almost right. Back in 1954 Eisenhower started operation wetback to remove over a million illegals from the US. They flew them to southern Mexico so they would have a hard time getting back to the border. Google Operation Wetback and read for yourself.

      • meteorlady

        Actually Ike deported 8 million in two years. Nice work – seems our current crop of legislators don’t have the balls to protect citizens of this country so they pander to illegals and the Mexican vote.

  • WakeupUS

    The reason he didn’t want to deport them immediately back to their own country is because he knows that our government would do nothing to prevent them from hopping back across our borders. Until the border is secure we can’t release these criminals to their homelands because their governments don’t want them there and will do anything to allow them to break back into our country. Our leaders need to get their heads out of the ivory tower and out of their beeeeps and live in the real world with the rest of us. As it says in the Constitution it is their primary duty to defend us from external and internal threat and if they are not doing that then they need to be FIRED (impeached/not voted in next time)!!! Take the trash out America, kick um to the curb!

  • JoMama

    I really like the way Newt G. says it like it SHOULD BE!!

    Anyways – that is the way it should be (the are laws – STILL).

    NEWT/MITT/JAN BREWER/BOEHNER (either one) FOR PRESIDENT IN 2012!!!

    • JeffH

      NEWT/MITT/JAN BREWER/BOEHNER or any combination would be a terrible choice. In my opinion Newt better serves this country where he’s at, Romney and Boehner are political business as usual and despite the Arizona law, Brewer doesn’t have the wherewithal t lead this nation.
      I’d like to see Paul Ryan and Ron Paul at the top of the list.

      • meteorlady

        I think we should start a national write-in campaign for Ron Paul and the likes.

        • JeffH

          I just wish that Gov. Chris Christie would consider a run in 2012. I just don’t think he is interested though. He’s too dedicated to fixing NJ, his home state.

    • Bob

      A Newt is a lizard. Aptly named

  • JoMama

    One more thing:

    Thse guys would – not for a minute – stand for ANY of this BS from the illegal aliens, Muslims or Barack Obama!!

    • Bob

      What did Newt do about illegals when he was speaker?

  • http://yahoo.com L.M.Howell

    They have nothing in the white house but a bunch of ignoraqnt jerks. The Democrats want all the illegal aliens here to con them in to voting for them. They are more than likely paid well to vote for their party. All of the illegals should be sent back to where they came from. I pray they will be voted out come November.

    • Bob

      We’ve had an illegal problem since WW2

      • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

        1492 :-)

        • Al Sieber

          I think it was the Vikings before Columbus, or maybe the Phoenicans when they mined copper near the Great Lakes.

          • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

            But they didn’t takeover the neighborhood and leave their crap for others to cleanup.

          • Al Sieber

            Duende, you’re right, I have to agree with you there.

    • meteorlady

      the current people in power are not stupid – to say that underestimates their cunning. They are just criminals, tax dodgers and lead around by special interests.

      • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

        Thank you meteorlady. When ever I’ve heard any one say “Stupid politicians” I just wince. It gives the speaker a sense of superiority when in reality they are just pawns and suckers. This goes for either . I’ve always maintained that one shouldn’t blame on stupidity what can easily be traced to conspiracy (or compliance to conspiracy).

  • http://yahoo.com grizz

    Bob,I have been following,paying close attention to illegal immigration since the carter/democratic party and their blanket amnesty proposal.They of course opened the flood gates and did so with malice and forethought.I’ve read governments estimates of 11 million illegals in the U.S. I’d estimate 25 to 35 million conservitively. We are faced now with a new threat beng the invasion,infiltration, of the U.S. of the U.S by saudi arabian muslims and wahavee? style islam. Small numbers of muslims are purchasing land to build mosks(I know)Funded by saudi arabia where 15 of the 9/11/01 hijackers came from. Our democratic party I suspect has given them the go ahead and aid and abet this radical islam. The voices of americans infected by this virus will not be heard by the government. The democratic party has sold america to radical islam.

    • tg7357

      i agree with your post excpet on one issue: it wasn’t just the democrats who sold us out to the Saudis. There are dirty republican and independents who helped that with all their hearts and with their pocketbooks open for the payoffs. The new mantra of the November elections should be : There Are No CLean Hands In Washington.

  • AZ Jack

    Why are all conservatives so enamored of Newt Gingrich. I do not believe he has our best interests at heart. He is never asked about his membership in the Council on Foreign Relations, an organization that is dedicated to a one-world government. Someone heeds to ask him this question. I have emailed him twice and the only answer I received is that he is too busy to answer my email.

    • JeffH

      AZ Jack, good post. The CFR is the link to the Trilateral commission, the UN, the World Bank and has had more of it’s members appointed to work for presdents than any other organization. You can bet that the House of Rothschilds could be linked as the headstone of the CFR. Just like President George W. Bush’s cabinet, Barack Obama’s cabinet is brimming with politicians affiliated with the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg group.

      Of Barack Obama’s 14 top cabinet selections, 9 of them are affiliated with the Bilderberg group, 10 of them are affiliated with the Council on Foreign Relations and 5 of them are affiliated with the Trilateral Commission.

      Obama has filled his cabinet with extremists who are members of organizations that are openly hostile to America remaining a free market society and a sovereign country.

      • meteorlady

        That should tell us how they get money for their election campaigns and who they owe once in power.

        • JeffH

          meteorlady, the CFR has been involved in running American politics since its inception. The CFR shadow government is a major threat to American sovereignty. The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) was established in 1921. Colonel Edward M. House, who was a close advisor of then-President Woodrow Wilson, was very influential in the establishment of the CFR.

          Learn About the CFR Shadow Government and its Connection to the Illuminati Banking Families.
          http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/124

  • tg7357

    Newt Gingrich is a member of the Old Guard with dirty hands, an overflowing pocketful of taxpayer money and corporate pay-offs, and tainted with too many skeletons in his own closet. We’ve got enough riff-raff in Washington in elected office as it is. No thanks!!

    • http://google Leonard W. Giddens Jr.

      ALL THAT SHINES IS NOT Gold MY FRIEND. When you hire a lawyer, do you ask about his back ground? No you don’t. If he is the sleaziest of all, and he can get the job done, you don’t care. You tell him what you want done and he does it. That’s all that matters. I am skeptical of those that toot thier own horn too much.

      • JeffH

        Leonard, when you vote do you ask about a candidates back ground or do you just blindly vote? Look where we are at at now in this stage of our history. It is more important than ever to research every inch of a candidate, you’re more likely to make a better choice that way wouldn’t you think?

  • Norm

    There is a sure fire way to get rid of Illegals.
    1- Levi a 5,000 fine for 1st offence foa any person hiring an illegal
    2nd offence one year in jail.3rd offence 5 years in jail.
    2- Also fine any landlord the same ammount with the same punishment for additional offences.
    3- Stop the auto citizen for their babies born in the US.
    We would not have to deport any of them.If they couldn’t work or have a place to live ;They would go back themselves even if they had to walk.
    Obama and his minions want amnesty and a path to citizenship.Why?That’s easy.They could over time get 20 million new votes thereby ending all opposition.Anyone who thinks they love the illegals should be checked by a shrink.
    Dump all democrats and RINOS’Free our country.

    • tg7357

      I think cities should require ID and proof of citizenship before allowing people to be able to turn on utilities like water, sewer, etc.
      If illegals can’t get water, I doubt they will stay around long.

      • meteorlady

        Some cities have done just that and have lost in court. The city of Grapevine, TX passed a law that fined landlord who knowingly rented to illegals. It was over turned in court.

        Our government does not have our citizen’s best interests at heart – they have their own best interests and that of business. An over abundance of labor causes the wage scale to drop and thus businesses make more money.

        We should publish the names and addresses of businesses the knowingly hire illegals. I know a couple – Tyson Chicken plant in Arkansas for one.

      • Carol

        You wanna bet? You should have seen the home an illegal family was evicted from. They didn’t have water. The whole place had to be gutted and one floor had to be replaced. It had 4 inches of feces(both human and dog) on it. The owner had to hook up to my outside water faucet and hose it down just to be able to work in the house.

    • Bob

      Millions of them are living off the taxpayers. We have to end welfare. If people don’t want to work let their families take care of them. Why should the taxpayers pay for people to sit on their butt all day and make babies.

    • TIME

      NORM,
      Hello, Thank God I knew you just pulling our collective legs.

      • JeffH

        Time, this just can’t be ab-Norm’s post, must be a different one. If it is then we do agree on some things after all.

        • Claire

          JefH–Possibly someone using his name? It has happened before.

          • TIME

            Ckaire & Jeff,
            Your both more than likly right, someone sniped me a while back. Oh well there is always HOPE! Have a good weekend both of you. I have to take off again for a week, I hope to be back by September 1st.
            If not your both in charge.. LOL ;-)

          • JeffH

            Claire and TIME, remember some posts awhile back by simeone named “eyeswideopen” that were a complete opposite of what we would normally read? It’s happened to me and I can remember the same happened to TIME before. You end up reading the comments a couple of times then realize it’s just someone else.

    • meteorlady

      Not necessarily true. There’s a little thing called Identity Theft at which they are most adept.

    • hflashman

      I would agree with #1 if you changed the fine to 30 days in the hossgow. A fine is nothing…do the math and the monies gained from evading taxes and profits from lower basis in cost of production …and a fine makes hiring undocumented workers just a cost of doing business…and profitable

      Toss ‘em in jail for 30 days and et the spouse explain where they went. Bet they won’t risk another 30 day vacation.

      Anyone remember when as a youth they worked the fileds or mowed lawns or delivered papers/ Why don’t we start tossing in jail the employers?

      no jobs, no reason to be here. Problem solved quick fast and easy.

  • Ruby

    I don’t care about your politcal persuasion, do you not care that illegal aliens in OUR country are committing violent crimes against US? Does that matter to all you partisan idiots? Yet, you’re the first to cry, “partisan politics”…get over yourselves. These are crimes against US…not just Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Libertarians!!!! We’re ALL being perpetrated upon. Geeeeeeezzzzzzzz

  • http://www.haringenterprises.com BSHARING

    This is not only about illegal aliens who commit crimes, but our court & legal system, which sucks!!!

  • atlas reborn

    I have a great idea, when we find an illegal allien who commited a crime we take them to court when found guilty we send them to north korea, china , or iran to put in prision at a cost to us not in excess of the cost of our lowest cost jails in america. we would have to have a treaty with them to do this. but I am the message to illegal alliens get to them quickly and a lot of the problems would go away.

    • Bob

      Our court system is corrupt. Our prisons are privatized. Judges get bonuses for sending people to jail.

  • Steve

    Chip, do you think the Democrats affection for illegal immigrants would change if suddenly we all had to show a valid I.D. in order to vote???….I think this could be a game changer but I don’t understand why the Republicians or anyone else for that matter ever try to pass a bill to require this….

    • tg7357

      I don’t know why either!! I have to show my ID to tag my car, open a bank account, or to buy real estate, but I don’t have to give anyone an ID to vote??? Of course, that makes voter fraud so much easier for both parties. Remember the 2008 voter solgan “Vote Early and Often!!”

      • http://?? Joe H.

        tg7357,
        wrong! Here in Eastlake Ohio, Ward 1, I have to show my licence each time I vote. I’ve had to show it for the last 19 years!!! I always thank the ladies that check, too!! I gladly show it for that the same as I do for my checking. In both cases it enables me to know nobody else is using either!!! I have written on all of my credit cards “ask for ID” instead of signing. nobody has ever given me a problem about it either!!

  • Charles in Virginia

    Reading the diatribe above, it is evident that the educational system in the United States is sadly deficient. Before one rambles on about a complicated subject in a public forum, one should learn to spell and to use the English language correctly. It would provide credence to what one has written.I would hope that anyone who demands that immigrants speak English, would mean that they speak CORRECT English! I would also hope that only LEGAL immigrants would have that opportunity.
    I intend to vote for candidates who have the same opinions in November! I hope I have enough help to get the job done.

    • viktor leben

      Charles,

      Do you mean “standard English” ? I reckon a fella gots lots of smarts if he talks “Colloquial English”, ain’t that right Chuck !

  • http://www.TomBlairEA.com Thomas Avery Blair EA

    As for the immigration concern, I suggest a $100,000 fine and/or a one year jail sentence to any businessperson hiring an illegal alien. Use the fine money to assist legitimite immigrates to more quickly attain their citizenship and to help off-set at least some of the costs for incarcertation of the money-grubber.

    As for the criminal element, whether the criminal is a U S citizen or otherwise really should not matter: Let’s find common ground with a third world country and deport all violent criminals to their “care.” It would be far less expensive to our civilization to simply build foreign prisons and to train and hire prison guards in a third world nation…quarantine those criminals from our society and make certain they get jobs training (rehabilitation) combined with hard manual labor (punishment for wrong-doing) while executing all those who are proven guilty of rape and/or first degree murder (just like the Old Testament Bible says).

    As for party affiliation, I think the time has finally come to toss it out in favor of proven integrity and abilities in statemanship, and of course, term limits for any and all elected officials. The Republican Party of late have failed us, as has the Democratic Party…both simply today serve their own interests to the detriment of the interests of our nation and its citizens.

    And I would also highly recommend to those brain dead idiots to stop pushing the concept that we live in a “democracy.” The founding fathers of our nation detested democracy as a form of government. In brief, I would suggest this idea for a good reason why no thinking person would want to live in a democracy: Seven individuals gather under a tree near a river to make decisions. Of that seven there are six wolves and one sheep. The first decision they decide to make today is “what’s for lunch” …how would you react if you were the sheep and what would the decison for “what’s for lunch” likely be? Fresh fish from the river or lamb chops?

    “I pledge alligence to the flag of the United States of America, and for the REPUBLIC for which it stands….” should prove my point. Republicanism and democracy are NOT synonomus. The majority must never rule; desireable government should always be structured to protect the minority and the innocent, not the majority and/or the malefactor or criminal from justice.

    I could support a Gingrich/Palin ticket in 2012, or perhaps even a Palin/Gingrich ticket, but as “constitutionalists” but never again either party-imprisoned Republican or Democrat.

    At least some food for thought, don’t you think?

    Respectfully submitted,

    Thomas Avery Blair, EA

    • Conservative at Birth

      How about Thomas Sowell?

      • DaveH

        Thomas is getting a little old for the job (80). I love the guy though.

      • JeffH

        Didn’t really know who he was before I arrived here but I agree with both of you.

    • DaveH

      Great. The Government doesn’t do their jobs, and you want to make criminals out of the people who give most of us our jobs.

      • hflashman

        No, I want to have the criminals who evade taxes and don’t hire Americans to be recognized as the criminal element they are.

        • DaveH

          So it’s okay if the Government, who we pay to protect us, doesn’t do its job, but Corporations, who we don’t pay to protect us, should be put in jail for not doing the Government’s job? Sheesh, welcome to the upside-down world of Liberal thinking.

          • DaveH

            By the way, it might seem to many people to be a cut and dry issue. The companies should simply ask for their ID’s and refuse to hire them if they are illegal. Guess again. My ex-nephew-in-law was an illegal and he had a phony drivers license that looked to me like the real thing. So what is the company supposed to do, spend thousands of dollars investigating the truth for each applicant?
            And, the funny thing here is that those same Liberals who want to make immigration police out of our companies, are throwing a hissy fit about potential illegals being asked to prove their citizenship to Arizona Police Officers.

    • Mike In MI

      TAB, EA -
      I like your idea about finding some 3rd world country where we can send illegals when we find them.
      Canada has a huge land mass with very few people in lots of that space. I’m sure they would like to have people to populate, work and develop lots of the virtually vacant land from about the 55th parallel and onwards.
      I think we would do well to have anyone who is caught employing illegals be required to pay the transport costs (one way) of those illegals (with a paid escort) on a plane headed north for delivery to a specific offload site. Upon arrival they would be confirmed as having arrived and signed off by a Canadian Mounty. Then the escort would be sent back home to deliver the signed confirmation to the judicial district of origin.
      The illegals could then be offered jobs by the Canadian government like housing construction, making clothing, growing food and other jobs required for survival.
      Just a thought to help people who just want to move north, get a job and live somewhere, anywhere away from where they grew up.

  • DaveH

    I don’t disagree with you, Chip Wood, but it might be more palatable to more voters if instead of saying “Every person arrested for a felony will be checked against the Federal database”, it said “Every person convicted of a felony will be checked against the Federal database”.

    • ValDM

      I should be ARRESTED. If we check them at arrest time, then we know how to proceed in their trial. If we wait until they are convicted we’ve granted them the right to be treated as American citizens. Arrested works, because then we don’t have to grant them Constitutional rights like speedy trial, jury of their peers, right to an attorney……….

    • JeffH

      Good one DaveH.

  • Diane

    Newt Gingrich is not someone who would obey the Constitution.

    “The Republican leadership in the 104th and 105th Congresses had an opportunity to present the case for a strictly limited national government under the Constitution and for a return to a true federalist system of competing state governments.”

    “Which is why intelligent conservatives should have paid a little more attention to the substance, and no attention at all to the style, of Speaker Gingrich. Rarely did he speak about programs that needed to be cut back, much less eliminated. You never heard Gingrich invoke the Constitution in defense of limiting the role of the federal government. In fact, he didn’t invoke the Constitution at all, because he agreed with his New Age gurus Alvin and Heidi Toeffler that the Constitution was fine for the Industrial Age, but clearly not up to the Third Wave’s Information Age. Besides, why should someone as brilliant as Newt Gingrich be constrained by some 200-year-old document?”

    The above excerpts are from a 1998 Cato Institute article by Edward H. Crane, “Will the Constitution Rise with Newt’s Fall?”

    http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5766

  • owldog

    The reason we cannot control illegal immigration is because the wealthy [probably mostly republican/conservative, like Judas Escariot] business and farm owners like illegals. They can abuse them, overwork them, expose them to toxic farm chemicals, etc. There no insurance problems and often no tax problems.

    We need to get over the denial that these workers are needed, wanted, and that they should be legalized with enough visas. The lack of plentiful immigrant labor in the U.S. is probably responsible for many jobs/factories going to China, which has a ripple effect and U.S. citizen employment.

    • meteorlady

      I’m not sure I get your point, but…….
      In Washington State – the eastern portion – there are orchards and farms. Most orchard owners petitioned for legal workers, but hired illegals whenever they could. Now those illegals and “legals” visa workers have overstayed and moved to the west side of the state where there are more lucrative jobs such as construction. What happened in Eastern Washington? They are now petitioning to bring in visa workers from South American to fill the void. Meanwhile the unemployment rate in the state is 10.1%. So why do people on unemployment make more than workers?

      • owldog

        There are not too many people willing and/or have the strong back for some construction work and/or field work.

        not sure of your point, but a living wage is $19/hour. Most people making more on unemployment than work are making more than part time workers, the underemployed. I don’t think people are gaming the system. They are just trying to survive.

      • owldog

        correction meant to say …”‘on’ U.S. unemployment”, not “‘and’…”

  • a skeptic

    Lots of discussion here on peripheral issues, but what I’d like to comment on is Chip’s article. Let’s look at this a little closer:

    First of all there is no doubt that the execution-style murders was a heinous crime. With or without Carranza being an illegal, it is just staggering that a man charged with repeatedly raping a 5-yr old should be back on the street a month later. I mention this because no race is immune to having monsters: indeed, most serial killers – the truly psychopathic – happen to be middle-aged whites. A monster is a monster, no matter how he got here.

    What I don’t appreciate from the article is the idea that the police only run checks on people arrested (a sensible and necessary step – see #2)and the comment: “This sounds remarkably like what the citizens of Arizona asked their police to do, doesn’t it?”

    Actually, no: the Arizona law – and current enforcement by various Sheriff’s offices there – makes it legal to stop anyone suspected of being an undocumented alien and demanding to see proof.

    If we actually listened to the Latin community we’d soon realize that their objection to this is reasonable; for, after all, what’s the first judgement we’d make on whether a person is potentially here illegally? Right. Their race.

    Trouble is, there are millions of Latinos who have full citizenship rights; indeed, many of their families were pioneers in the southern border states. I also find it hard to stomach the ignorance about border-town life and its daily ebb and flow of traffic between twin cities on either side.

    In sum, Chip’s article ens up being just so much hate mongering. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that this was not intentional, but it turns out that way anyway because it confuses two separate issues: proper detention and punishment of known felons, and proper assessment of whether a person’s place of origin is a cause or has anything to do with potential criminal behaviour.

    • ValDM

      First and foremost, let’s set the record straight Hispanic or Latino
      or whatever other name you want to use is NOT A RACE. They are caucasian…….period. Also, it isn’t racial profiling at all to ask to see documentation of ANYONE.

      • Bob

        Why is it when you fill out a gov’t form it asks your race and there is caucasian and hispanic?

      • Al Sieber

        ValDM, they’re a Nationality, not a race.

    • meteorlady

      You lack of understanding of immigration law is apparent. I worked at immigration for a time and we ALWAYS picked up illegals from the country and city jails because the local law enforcement check for citizenship. The AZ law does not allow law enforcement to randomly stop a person and ask for papers. It simply is doing the same thing that most states have done for years, turning over an illegals once they are stopped or detained for an infraction.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      a skeptic,
      before commenting on a law you should know what that law says!!! The police in Arizona do not have the right to stop simply because they look mexican, far from it!! They first have to stop for something else like speeding or defective equipment or if on the street, they must first do something illegal besides being here. If it is proven that the officer acted incorrectly on this, they can lose their badge over it! I’m sure there will be a few bad apples, but I would rather take the chance of that than take the chance that another little five year old girl gets gang raped!! How about you???

  • Lloyd Revalee

    Yes, we have serious problems in this country, and it is time that We The People do something about it. The very people we have elected/hired to look out for us are a big part of the problem. The Media is an even larger part of the problem, and they have a tremendous amount of influence on the gullible public. Even our judicial system seems to be in favor of the criminals, and either against the victims or just do not care about them.

    If people want to protect themselves, and work to get back the same government we had in the beginning of our independence, they had better form local groups that will quickly come to the aid of one another. These groups had better be well armed and ready to take action against any government agency that attempts to take away their arms We the people are the government, so we are not going to rebel against ourselves the government, but against those who are trying to take away everything we hold dear. We will be protecting our rights under the Consti-tituiion, and the rights of our children. Evil sources are at work every day, and have been for years, to abolish our form of religion, our educational system, our right to own property, and, in fact, our right to live a we see fit.

  • http://panamapoppo@hotmail.com Keith Simpson

    Deporting them only allows them the olpportunity to sneak back across our border and cause more problems. My suggestion is to treat them like Iran treated those 3 hikers and charge them as spys, convict them and then shoot them. That’s what happens to spys in time of war and we’re at war right now. As a matter of fact, station the troops coming back from Iraq along the border and issus shhot to kill orders to them. A few dead bodies along the border will do wonders to the illegal problem. Yeah, I know, it will be damned by the whole world for it’s cruelty and we’ll be sanctioned by the UN for our actions. So what! We hated by everyone already and no one listens (except us) listens to the UN anyway. Besides, if we withdraw from the UN they’ll collapse due to a severe lack if funds. Wise up people, no one likes us unless their in trouble and as soon as the troubles are over, their back to hating us and voting against us in the UN. Our money is good everywhere, but not if Americans accompany it. I’m so sick and tired of worrying about how the rest of the world sees us, instead of worrying about how America can continue to grow and become stronger. That’s all anyone ever respects, strength. Kindness and good will only leaves you alone and bloody in the end.

  • http://google Leonard W. Giddens Jr.

    Folk, don’t get your hopes up for November. There are many selfish people out there that only care about what they can get from a candidate, that will cost them nothing. As we all know there are people out there that has tried to sell thier off spring for something they wanted. Sorry people always manage to survive because of the bleeding hearts of the world. It is like the person that wants to be told, I love you even though you don’t mean it. There are far too many out there that are mutchers and leeches. It does not matter that you kick them between the pockets a hundred times a day as long as you pretend you are sorry each time. Every day and all day these morons are being pumped out all over this once great country of ours.

    • alpha-lemming

      I’m still going to hope… just for my own psyche if nothing else.

      The A-holes have been out-breeding us for at least a couple of generations.

  • Mary G.

    PLEASE READ Yesterday we were in court with the illegal felon who ran over my father-in-law and fled the scene of the accident. After a police chase he was apprehended and was convicted of a felony.He was in the US illegally, driving without a license, no insurance. My father-in-law died a long agonizing death. The illegal felon was supposed to be deported. He was released on probation. Three years later (yesterday) he was back in court on charges of DUI, disorderly conduct and violating his probation. He said that he violated his probation because he was deported!!??? What good does it do to deport illegals unless we secure the borders. They can reenter the US and continue on their crime spree. A total disregard for our laws. But then again we are not even enforcing our immigration laws. If the fed. gov. does not enforce the immigration laws they are enabling these criminals. I am not sure at this point if deportation is the best answer. Perhaps we must keep these criminals in jail. Perhaps we can go build the wall and protect ourselves. Our federal government will not.

    • meteorlady

      You are correct – it does no good to deport people if we don’t secure our borders. I suggest that we do that BEFORE allowing congress to pass any type of immigration “reform”. I also suggest that we start cutting quotas because we are now overrun with immigrants that are heading for the entitlement offices to collect our hard earned money.

      Seattle, WA has a entire population of people from the African continent that have set up their own bankers, work for cash, live in subsidized housing, collect all the entitlements they can get, and generally live off us hard working citizens. It’s the same with Latino’s and other some groups as well. We need to go back to the idea that they have a sponsor, can’t be a citizen for 5 years, are not eligible for any type of assistance (that’s their sponsor’s obligation), and cannot bring relatives in automatically. They need to learn English and assimilate into our society or stay in their native country.

      In 1986 Reagan signed immigration reform, and amnesty was included, with the promise from Democrats that they would secure the borders – that never happened as the Democrats reneged on the secure border promise.

      NO IMMIGRATION REFORM WITHOUT SECURING OUR BORDERS.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Mary G,
      My heartfelt sympathies at the loss of your Father-in-Law. It is hard enough to take without the illegal involved but add that to it and it garners a lot more anger as well!! God bless you in your time of Need!

  • Carol

    I know several places employing illegals. When I applied for a job, there were 4 obvious illegals applying. None spoke English. Guess who was NOT hired. Here, even the Post Office has hired illegals to clean the Post Office buildings, and each building they clean is considered a separate job so they don’t even get enough hours in one job to be elligible for benefits.

    • meteorlady

      Maybe we should start a website that published all known illegal employers. That way we can stop doing business with them.

      • dan az

        meteorlady
        Isnt there a law on the books that says we can use a citizens arrest or is it not allowed for illegals? anybody?

  • http://www.tpmprojects.com andyp

    As an Englishman and LEGAL permanent resident in the US, I was somewhat amused to see the postings of HFLASHMAN. Reading the content of those posts, I wondered if HFlashman himself or anyone else here had any idea who Harry Paget Flashman actually was?

    From Wikipedia

    Sir Harry Paget Flashman VC KCB KCIE (1822–1915) is a fictional character created by George MacDonald Fraser (1925–2008), but based on the character “Flashman” in Tom Brown’s Schooldays (1857), a semi-autobiographical work by Thomas Hughes (1822–1896).

    In Hughes’ book, Flashman is the notorious bully of Rugby School who persecutes Tom Brown, and who is finally expelled for drunkenness. Twentieth century author George MacDonald Fraser had the idea of writing Flashman’s memoirs, in which the school bully would be identified with an “illustrious Victorian soldier”: experiencing many 19th century wars and adventures and rising to high rank in the British Army, acclaimed as a great soldier, while remaining by his unapologetic self-description “a scoundrel, a liar, a cheat, a thief, a coward—and oh yes, a toady.” Fraser’s Flashman is an anti-hero who runs from danger or hides cowering in fear, betrays or abandons acquaintances at the slightest incentive, bullies and beats servants with gusto, beds every available woman, carries off any loot he can grab, gambles and boozes enthusiastically, and yet, through a combination of luck and cunning, usually ends each volume acclaimed as a hero.

    After his expulsion from Rugby for drunkenness, Flashman looked for an easy life. He had his wealthy father buy him an officer’s commission in the fashionable 11th Regiment of Light Dragoons. The 11th, commanded by Lord Cardigan, later involved in the Charge of the Light Brigade, had just returned from India and were not likely to be posted abroad soon. Flashman threw himself into the social life that the 11th offered and became a leading light of Canterbury society.
    A duel with another officer over a French courtesan led to his being temporarily stationed in Scotland. There he met and deflowered Elspeth Morrison, daughter of a wealthy textile manufacturer, whom he had to marry in a “shotgun wedding”. But marriage to the daughter of a mere businessman forced his resignation from the snobbish 11th Lights. He was sent to India to make a career in the army of the East India Company. Unfortunately, his language talent and his habit of flattery brought him to the attention of the Governor-General. The Governor did him the (very much unwanted) favor of assigning him as aide to General Elphinstone in Afghanistan. Flashman survived the ensuing debacle by a mixture of sheer luck and unstinting cowardice.
    He became an unwitting hero: the defender of Piper’s Fort, where he was the only surviving white man, and was found by the relieving troops clutching the flag and surrounded by enemy dead. Of course, Flashman arrived at the Fort by accident, collapsed in terror rather than fight, was forced to stand and show fight by his subordinate, and was ‘rumbled’ for a complete coward. He had been trying to surrender the colors, not defend them. Happily for him, all inconvenient witnesses had been killed.

    Flashman was an insatiable lech, and had great success with women. His size, good looks, winning manner, and especially his splendid cavalry-style whiskers won over many women, from low to high, including many famous women. He also frequently bought the services of prostitutes. In Flashman and the Great Game, about halfway through his life, he counted up his sexual conquests while languishing in a dungeon at Gwalior, “not counting return engagements”, reaching a total of 478 to date. He was not above forcing himself on a partner by blackmail (e.g. the Russian countess in Flashman and the Dragon), but only committed an actual rape once in his life (on Narreeman, in Flashman). He was a vigorous and exciting (if mostly selfish and rapacious) lover, and at least some of his partners became quite fond of him – though by his own admission, others tried to kill him afterwards.

    As to the topic of this blog, my own journey to my current immigration status took 10 years and $40,000 in attorney and Federal filing fees. It was frustrating because of the intense bureaucratic fumblings of a monolithic Federal agency, at times frightening because of the absolute control any low level Federal employee had ove your future, but still well worth it to be able to live (legally) in this great nation.

    I have absolutely no sympathy for any person residing in this country illegally. In my opinion there is absolutely no credible circumstance that forces you to live outside of the law and purposefully leech off of others. I also believe that anyone that employs illegal aliens, whether that is a company or an individual picking up day laborers should suffer the full force of the law. While I acknowledge that it will be nearly impossible for the Federal government to deport 12 million (I believe nearly 20 million) illegal aliens, if the existing laws were fully enforced that number would decrease phenomenally by simple attrition.

    • Diane

      andyp, you brought back memories of a very enjoyable “miniseries” I watched back in the 70′s on PBS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vBkFjwkJRg

    • hflashman

      Ahhh…someone with literary good taste I see (Great set of books…13 in all. A very good recitiation of historic fact based around a fictional character…or is Flashy fiction? The debate rages on)

      • dan az

        Flash
        that was the first time that you did’nt spell wrong or sound drunk or rant at every thing. so who are you really?

        • Al Sieber

          dan, only the shadow knows.

  • http://google Leonard W. Giddens Jr.

    Skeptic, you just don’t get it. You check papers after they have been stop for probable cause. You can not just pick a person and check them if there isn’t a reason other than checking thier papers. You and the Latinos got it dead wrong. You want let these criminals hide among the law abiding people, and continue to terrorise our people rather than inconvenience that group. That as how many of our soldiers lost thier lives. The enemy hid among the civilians. It is ok that your are asked for your license to drive an vehicle, but it’s not to see if you are legal. It is your kind of touchy good feely thinking that is going to destroy this nation. If you don’t have anything to hide, don’t worry about your papers being checked. What you are showing is your dis like of the law and being told what to do.

  • Grady

    Hi everyone, Im new to this forum. I have a comment about stopping illegals from crossing the border. It might not be very popular and is definately not politicaly correct. But anyway , why dont they put more people on the border and do what our cops use to do .Fire a warning shot and if they dont turn around and go back, ( no more warning) . Not very popular ,but very affective. Maybe a high voltage fence . Very expensive, but how much has this problem cost us already. I know it has put me out of business. I have to compete with illegals for paint jobs and remodels. I dont have food stamps and free housing etc. so I cant compete with them. Most of them that I know only worry about making enough money to buy budweiser. Ive had to resort to mowing yards for min. wage. This is change I could have done without! If they are caught here illegaly, put them on a list that can NEVER become citizens.How about a reward for turning them in. Seems to me ,I remember when they did that. Thanks

    • meteorlady

      You are not alone. Many businesses in my area (construction, landscaping, irrigation, etc.) have gone out of business because they can’t pay taxes and charge a decent wage. It’s all because of illegals. The wage scale for construction jobs has dropped to $10.00 per hour in some place for these construction jobs that used to pay around $25.00 to Americans.

      I just don’t hire them if they can’t show me proper ID – but, some states allow them to get drivers’ licenses and that makes it hard to determine whose who. I know liberal Washington State gives them drivers licenses so they get jobs there without much more checking.

      • eddie47d

        Everyone who drives should have a license. Shouldn’t licenses of anyone who isn’t a permenant resident be coded to show they aren’t legal yet?

        • Carol

          Excuse me!!!! Why should they even be allowed to get a driver’s license in the first place?

          • JeffH

            Carol, if you’ve read fast eddie’s other comments you’ll notice that he can’t focus or comprehend very well.

            “Shouldn’t licenses of anyone who isn’t a permenant resident be coded to show they aren’t legal yet?”

            A permanent resident is here legally, that is why they’ve applied for and received permanent resident status and the paperwork to prove such…DUH!

            Typical liberal mind, grow government and burden the states with more paperwork and red tape when laws already exist and aren’t enforced.

          • eddie47d

            Jeff H. Always making personal attacks and never thinking outside the box. In other words that space between your ears is limited. If corporations bring illegals to America and want them to drive then they should be responsible for all their papers,including a drivers license. Until this illegal situation is worked out I don’t want unlicensed drivers on the road. Thus,their licenses should be coded. If they get caught by the police then the police will have proof and can turn them over to the INS. A drivers license that is coded doesn’t give anyone legal status.

          • JeffH

            Fast edduh!, I thoughtt I saw a pussycat! DUH!

  • Average Joe

    A simple solution:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbWg-mozGsU
    Just adding a little levity today

  • Victor

    I do have a real concern when intelligent and logical humans generalize and loose their focus. There are in this planet good humans (thank God) and there are bad humans. There are good humans that break the law of this land of ours (United States of America) entering illegally in search for a better life. If that is their only crime, then send them back as soon as possible. If a bad human enters illegally to the USA and commits a felonious act; then this bad human should be kept here to respond to the crimes and if found guilty, serve his due sentence here. We tend to loose our focus in the name of: “political correctness”, “social justice” and all the other “modern phrases”. It our responsibility to stay focused on our role as a good human.

    Great Article Mr. Wood!

  • thefedupamerican

    Politicians seem to think they’re accomplishing something when they PASS legislation. I think it is long past time for the real accomplishments to be judged by how much legislation a Congress can REPEAL! http://www.thefedupamerican.com

  • john

    Heres something that would create alot of work.Build a wall along the entire border of Mexico…not just a wall..something bigger than the great wall of China complete with moats..a wall that could be used as the worlds largest military base..it could extend 4 stories beneath ground level..that should keep em out..haha…perhaps we should simply do what we should have done during the 1800′s invade them,take them over and annex them and force them to learn English on top of that.

    • meteorlady

      You might want to read history – the Spanish and French owned a lot of what you talk about. Mexico didn’t was only interested in California as they considered the rest of the SW wastelands. Seems they like us all a lot better since we made something out of these “wastelands”.

  • http://yahoo David S.Walenski

    Why is it that we as american citizens have to interpret the languages of so many while they themselves neglect to learn our language of english.I have been fighting illegal immigrations for many years to no avail.Now I understand there are open bridges uncontested where illegals can cross in Texas. Our government must know this,no doubt in my mind. In order to succeed and stop illegals from coming here we must stop companies,corporations and other individuals from hiring them,this is a must. If there are very little jobs,they will not come.The right words need to be implemented in a strong immigration bill against those that hire and those that hide them.

    • meteorlady

      We already have a strong immigration law – it’s just that our government is not enforcing it. there are provisions that state that if someone is captured more than once they go to prison. There are provisions for fining business – not usually done by the government unless it’s a really high profile case and has the backing of the liberal news media.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Meteorlady,
        too bad we can’t get everyone that knows when a place gets raided and has illegals working to report it to Fox. Fox would be the only news outlet that might check to see if the company is fined. If not have them report it and we don’t buy ANYTHING from these companies till they lose enough to equal a generous fine!!! After this happens a few times maybe they won’t hire them anymore!!!

  • http://www.jerrysheehan.com Jerry Sheehan

    Common sense is all but gone in this country in every aspect of our daily lives. The Democratic party has created nothing but issues with race, religion, sex, creed, etc. They are classifiying everyone now with a hyphen… They did this.. bi-sexual, asian-american, gay-american, latino-american, etc., etc. whatever happened to the normal white american who speaks only English? We have been deemed the bad person in their minds and they are destroying everything we and our past generations have fought for. Our government is our worst and biggest enemy! Here’s a hyphen! Anti-American Liberal Democrats who are stealing all of our money and destroying our home land right in front of our eyes!

  • chuck b

    the politicians talk about comprehensive immigration reform, this is a fraud, we have laws on the books to take care of the illegal problem. this is nothing but a cover for the crooks in congress. why not a comprehensive congress reform bill, comprehensive crime reform bill. that way we could lock up the whole congress.

    we have allowed the world to rush in and bring their culture with them while ours is being forbidden, the christians out the back and the muslims in the front. the democratic party has slipped a muslim into the white house.

    if we don’t find some way of controlling the voters and ascertain their legitimacy we might as well not vote. the demoicrats have fought tooth and nail to stop any attempts to verify voters and that means only one thing, fraudulent votes. check out the seiu they are busy at this very minute to make sure the commies keep control of the congress. without the seiu harry reid would lose for certain in nevada.

    these mexicans crossing ouir border are being registered to vote, so don’t be surprised if the republicans don’t make much headway come novemebr. the seiu is taking over from acorn.

  • Bob Wire

    Pushing for immigrant law and citizen status
    Undocumented students from around the country demand the passage of the Dream Act outside the White House, despite the threat of arrests and deportation.

    By Peter Slevin
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Monday, July 26, 2010

    In a bid to remake the enforcement of federal immigration laws, the Obama administration is deporting record numbers of illegal immigrants and auditing hundreds of businesses that blithely hire undocumented workers.
    This Story

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    Record numbers being deported
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    Immigration enforcement under Obama
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    Full coverage: The immigration debate

    The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency expects to deport about 400,000 people this fiscal year, nearly 10 percent above the Bush administration’s 2008 total and 25 percent more than were deported in 2007. The pace of company audits has roughly quadrupled since President George W. Bush’s final year in office.

    The effort is part of President Obama’s larger project “to make our national laws actually work,” as he put it in a speech this month at American University. Partly designed to entice Republicans to support comprehensive immigration reform, the mission is proving difficult and politically perilous.

  • Bob Wire

    Published August 02, 2010

    | The Wall Street Journal
    AP

    May 25: Shackled Mexican immigrants are directed by a guard to a waiting deportation by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Harlingen, Texas.

    A record number of criminal aliens have been deported so far this year, reflecting a shift in emphasis by the Obama administration, according to an independent analysis released Monday.

    In the first nine months of fiscal year 2010, 137,000 illegal immigrants designated as criminal aliens were deported, according to the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, 60% more than in a comparable period of the Bush administration’s last year and about one-third more than in a comparable period in the Obama administration’s first year.

    The numbers reflect ICE’s implementation of a policy that targets illegal immigrants the government describes as criminal aliens, who have committed offenses since coming to the U.S. ranging from murder and sexual assault to property damage and traffic violations, according to a report by the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse, a nonpartisan research center affiliated with Syracuse University.

    TRAC, however, found that just 17% of those classified as criminal aliens by ICE had committed serious crimes by the agency’s own definition, including homicide and sexual assault.

    About 11 million illegal immigrants reside in the U.S., according to the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees ICE.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Barbwire,
      then why did the ICE agents take a vote of no confidence in their bosses?!?!?!?

    • Conservative at Birth

      Pure window dressing, to assuage the mad as hell Amerians. How does Homeland Security know how many illegals ther are? I thing the estimate is low. Why aren’t they stopping the invasion?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        conservative at birth,
        I don’t think so. Look at the agents that just got released from prison by Bush a couple of years ago that were tried for shooting an illegal that had shot at them. A lot of others have been called on the carpet for arresting too many illegals. If those incidences are not reason for a vote of no confidence in your superiors then there is none! They are risking their lives and their higher-ups are not supporting them!! I wouldn’t have any confidence in them either!!!

  • Joan Wade

    As “tourists” we have always been warned: “don’t drink the water” when we visit Mexico – and now we find that Hershey’s Candy, Colgate toothpaste and Kellogg’s cereals are made there. So, not only will I not visit, I won’t buy Hershey’s, Kellogg’s, or Colgate. And if those illegals are coming here, why are they not working there? The Government has seen fit to tax business out of the United States and then raise taxes on the middle class out-of-work folks to continue paying their salaries and lifetime pensions when we cannot even buy food for our families and our seniors cannot have a “cost of living” increase in their measly little Soc. Sec.income. It has been reported that an illegal mother with her ‘anchor’ baby draws $1500. per month plus food stamps, plus free medical. But the Government takes an even larger deduction for the seniors medicare premium – -Now, it has also been reported that Edward Kennedy wrote into the Healthcare Bill, that Congress, Senate, Justice and Exec. offices will not have to abide by that, they have their own insurance program. It also states that Muslims and the Amish do not have to pay for Healthcare becase it is considered “gambling”. ?? Personally,I do not want a non-medical person telling me which proceedures my doctor can or cannot perform. My health is my business and that of my doctor – not an insurance or government appointed bureauocrat!!
    My propsal would be to bring our troops home, all of them, close the borders, all of them, round up the illegals, all of them, put the criminals in a prison, ship the rest home. Put our troops on the borders, impeach and recall every elected Federal official and replace them with the public, POPULAR vote, then eliminate the electoral collage, hold each NEW elected official to the Constitution,and fire anyone who strays from that. Repeal any amendment that is in conflict with the original declaration and add the last amendment: “Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United State that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the the citizens of the Unite States.” Last but not least, reapeal their lifetime Pensions and make them live on Social Security. Thanks for reading…God Bless America and In God We Trust.

    • Conservative at Birth

      When you speak of eliminating the electoraol college, you are talking about the destruction of the Constitutional Republican form of Government and throwing it into Democracy, which is mob rule. This the founders abhored.

    • dan az

      Joan Wade
      I thought the same thing about the electorial process for years and then I read something here that changed my mind.If there was a popular vote instead then the liberals that occupy all of the largest cities by the millions on the west coast and the east coast would out number all of us and get there majority in office every time so now I’m for the electrol vote proses.I only wished I knew how some of there lameo’s get elected to vote for us because they to dont play by the rules.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        As to rlrctions the following should be implemented:

        1) Hold all States primaries on the same Saturday in Novemeber. That way everybody gets a chance to vote for all candidates and there would be a better voter turnout.

        2) Anyone intentionally commiting or instigating voter fraud should be heavily fined and imprisoned. Organizations like Acorn and MoveOn should be investigated under Ricco Laws.

        3) The Public Media, as a federally liscensed enity should donate time slots to all running candidates free of charge. That would help take away a lot of the money required to operate a campaign.

        4) Person, except for the trully sick and retirees, who have been on public assistance for more that (3) years should forfit their voting rights until they get off public assistance.

        5) de-unionize all public employees.

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          forgive my typo. 1st sentence word was supposed to be elections.

  • http://gmail i41

    Joan Wade, also every year Congress and the President should lose 10% of the salaries and 10% of their free heathcare benefit gets taxed over the rates of costs for the citizens, and it stays in effect until the following year after it is proven to be a balanced budget has happened. None of the GAO projections would be used but hard numbers, the taxes are payed by the federal idoits themselves, not the taxpayer. So a balanced budget in 2011 would keep lowering their pay until 2013 until all hard numbers are in, which would mean the federal clowns would lose 30% of their wages. Same downsizing of department by same percentages, it would save everyone billions of taxes. But there is probably maybe 10 people would be in favor.

    • Joan Wade

      I am totally in favor, but you’re right – maybe 10 or 12 maybe even 100, would be in favor. Just not enough, then the Pres. would pull one of his “Executive Order” thingys before we could get him out of office. However there is always the Repeal process. I’m not sure that would balance the budget, because they still owe all of the Social Security accounts to the people that paid into it. I wrote to the Chief Justice of the USA, who told someone that SS was nothing more than Welfare or a Handout!! He really got the fighting side of me and I had to tell him that the Social Security number was issued to one person. As an employer and an employee, money was deducted from the emplyees paycheck and matched dollar for dollar by the employer. That money went into that employee’s numbered account and any one who touches that money is nothing more than a thief. So far they haven’t returned a dime of the money “they borrowed”. I won’t consider the budget balanced until that money is repaid to those accounts. There is a great deal of accounting the General Accounting Office has to do before we’re through. Thanks for the input and giving me more to think about-

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Joan Wade,
        you want absurdity?? I know a lady that worked in a donut shop for nine years. during that time her pay stubs reflected that SS had been taken out of every check! she got her first declaration of levels the other day and it showed nothing for the whole nine years! She went down to social security with a shoe box of pay stubs and showed them nine years of pay. When she asked what she could do to her employer, she was told she could do nothing untill she got ready to collect!!! I told her to ask them what happens if the jerk dies before that. I haven’t seen her since so I don’t know what they said. But to tell her that she couldn’t do anything till she was ready to collect is rediculous!!! That’s stacking the deck in the favor of the crook!!!

        • dan az

          Hey Joe
          Ive got one for ya.My friend got that letter you get that tells you how much you paid in and what it said was you paid in 250.000 to date but you will not be collecting it were broke.that kinda sounds like theft to me,so why is it that we still have to pay but not collect are they going to find him or me that would be extortion dont ya think?

          • DaveH

            Dan,
            Social Security is nothing more than a Ponzi Scheme. Are you aware that when they talk about SS Surplus they mean they got more in revenues that year than they had to pay out? When a Pension Fund talks about a surplus, that means that they have more saved in the fund than they estimate will be needed to pay out to the present and future retirees. Not so for Social Security. There is no Social Security Fund. That was pillaged by the Government decades ago. So they are entirely dependent on current wage earners to pay the bill for the current retirees.
            Yet, the Government continues to spend money that they don’t have on all kinds of frivolous schemes. They are heading us pell-mell into a full-blown economic disaster.

          • dan az

            Thanks again Dave!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            DaveH,
            The fact still remains that I and others paid into it and we might not collect one thin dime. I can collect right now if I really need to as I am considered 100% disabled with my back and other problems. I haven’t collected a cent yet, but if things don’t change I just might! I plan to get SOMETHING for my money! That’s why when they talk about the forming of a new type of retirement system it worries me as they don’t mention anything about providing anything for the people 55 years old and above. If they stop collecting SS then where does my money come from? I paid in so somebody could collect theirs, now I just stand there and say oh well??? Not a chance bud!!

  • atlas reborn

    thomas avery blair I wish you would run for office because you have two important qualities that are needed for political office informed knowledge and truth, also you seem show strenth of character. run for office. I live in calif. and wish you were in my district.

  • Lawrence Bates

    I would suggest one more measure. A law requiring that every illegal alien convicted felon who is being deported from the US, have their nose tatooed red. This reletively painless and humane means of instant identification, would put an instant stop to revolving door deportations and would serve as a deterent to crime by illegal aliens.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Lawrence,
      not only that, it would make a very good bullseye to aim at!!!

  • Daniel P

    I like what Speaker Gingrich says, but I have a problem with Chips question to the Speaker on deporting them right away! If we deported them right away they would be on the streets in their native country trying to get back here. Why not convict them and put them in a prison like in Maricopa County, Arizona? A tent city like what Sheriff Arpaio has built will cost the tax payers very little to house them and at the conclusion of their sentence immediately deport them to their home country.

  • Phillip Ridling

    I liked the Idea to TATOO the ILLEGALS noses RED. You would be able to spot them a mile away.
    Put our NATIONAL GUARD on the BORDER and take care of business.We don’t owe them SQUAT other than to kick their behinds back to where they came from.

    • Conservative at Birth

      Or, shoot the invaders on sight.

  • viktor leben

    Let’s look at this from a different view ..

    Obviously, if these illegals aliens had been sent back to their country of origin, this crime would have never happened. SO let’s do a thought experiment, like them Einstein physics guys do …

    Let’s introduce a new statment – Is their some illegal immigrants who have SAVED American lives that have not been included in our arguments ?

    Probably “yes”.

    I think the solution to this problem is give amnesty to the illegal immigrant who would save American lives, at the same time lock up the violent illegal immigrants before they murder …

    • Conservative at Birth

      Lock them ALL up and ship them to Gittmo. Then we can allow them to escape to Cuba. What do you think?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Conservative at Birth,
        That wouldn’t be a good idea! From Cuba, if they make it hereat feet dry, meaning they make it to the shore they are allowed to stay!!! happens quite often!!

    • Al Sieber

      they broke the law, no amnesty, they should be checked out like all immigrants.

  • http://PersonalLiberty jay w

    A violent crime gets an illegal 20 years , but immediate deportation is a ” get of jail free ” card , and they will be back in short order to commit more crimes , for they know they get to avoid prison . May 23 , 2006 The Dallas Morning News wrote on page 6 of section A that we don’t deport anybody ; after they have served their sentence in state or Federal prison , they are released back onto American streets . This has changed under Obama , believe it or not , illegals with prison records do get deported . It’s a start .

  • Anthony

    WAR AT HOME? HOW WILL THE SPOILED MASSES HANDLE IT ….

    DaveH Quote:
    “Every person has their own idea of what “common sense” is. The reality is that everything we think was learned at some time either from somebody else or from our own life experiences. “Common Sense” is just a manipulative phrase.”

    Reflect:
    The only COMMON SENSE most o fus adhere to – the way it’s defined by THOMAS PAINE … on that, I think there is a definitive majority agreement.

    HOWEVER – the people in charge of this Country aren’t interested in the use of such grassroots ideals… they only care about their Agenda –> New World Order

    ——

    Richard Pawley Quote:
    Remember even George Bush would not answer and actually hastened his step to get away from those who were asking him about the possibility of uniting Mexico, Canada and the USA into a North American Union of sorts during his Canadian visit while president. In the “The Last Days of the Late Great United States”

    and -

    “Ranting and raving about Bush or Clinton or Obama isn’t going to change anything – none of them could do much of anything without the complicity of Congress.”

    Reflect:
    Bush didn’t have to answer that question. Not really. The Press already knew the answer. That action was done by Executive Order(2005, remember?), as is every rights-stripping move from those who control our Congress behind the scenes.

    It has been alluded to that one Day One of the Bush Admin, a thick plot of paper was laid on his desk – the Plan to Invade IRAQ.

    (prior to Bush taking office in 2000 IRAQ did not have a Central Bank and the previous actions by Hussein into Kuwait (for the oil, btw) were to cement his ability to defend himself against the Central World BanK – if you review historically, all war crimes of any sort for the last two hundred years has been funded somehow by the Central Bank – Saddam should have known he was never in a position to oppose this Central Bank controlling Family… and having Bush in place to commit that action, as opposed to Clinton-the wussy / was all staged—Clinton’s mad actions were to shove Jobs outside the U.S. / NAFTA & GATT — Hey, remember Hussein in the 1980′s? Being protected by CNN, who later admitted such? All of this has been staged.)

    AND —>

    “We have one last chance and that is to vote them out in ten weeks and maybe we can slow down this train that is careening down the mountain as Congress just greases the tracks with billions here and billions there. In any event the tripling of food and fuel is a given as a result of what the 111th has already squandered. Prepare for that and you will be ahead of the know-it-alls in our District of Corruption. May God bless the United States because no one else is going to do so, and only you, the people can vote the 111th out. TEN WEEKS!”

    Reflect:
    As much as I stand with Mr. Pawley on his sentiments. Those BILLIONS are being printed by order of THE FED, an entity that Congress has NO authority to give orders to, OR audit, remember? There is a video on YouTube with Greenspan discussing THE FED… everyone passsed on his comments, or simply refused to comment in Media… but watching it now after all my research, it’s quite eye-opening in its confirmation of my own investigations online. Here–>

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVmxQsvj6lo

    The above video demonstrates behavior of absolute power.
    Try watching all the associated linked n the right side column.

    FOLKS — Many of you talk about who we need to represent us and several familiar names are posted. But, I can tell you this from my research. NO ONE is allowed “national exposure” in any sense of the word unless they pass muster with those who control Congress. Whether that be the CFR, Trilateral or the Membership of the Bilderberg(ers). The insulated ultra-gazillion-aires, who pull the purse strings around the Globe. I knw, I know… it’s sick and twisted. Yet, consider this… The Rothschilds are worth almost $2.5 Trillion .. that’s just one Family… with the power to end world hunger OVERNITE.. and do we see them moving in that direction in any way? NO, it’s quite the opposite – search for yourselves. We’re being lpayed, every minute of the day and if you seriously want to step out into the limelight on the issues of the day, like Ron Paul’s Son has recently done … well, look at the DIS-INFO that’s already been printed by the Media and debunked by the Web Sources who are about to be shut down by Dictator Obama, thanks to the new Cyber-Security Law.

    Again – BUSH did many wrongs as President – it’s no secret.
    Again – Which of those ACTIONS has OBAMA REVERSED ????????

    There’s your solid evidence…..

    Ever since the Vietnam Conflict, My Generation (graduated 1972) has spoken of how the next great war would include bombs exploding on our own soil, and thousands if not millions would be erradicated right in front of us, whereas previously, it was always someone else’s Country, someone else’s Soil. We’ve been insulated and it has conditioned many to give up VIGILANCE…

    Look what we’ve been conned into doing to ourselves.
    I, for one, will at least go down having been enlightened as to why!

    Say what you like… dismissing obvious evidence is like Ostriches on the beach – heads in the sand.

    • DaveH

      What Cyber-Security law, Anthony?

      • Anthony

        Come on now, DaveH …. You “can’t” google up ??

        http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-4061

        The above is the official word…
        Yet, when you google away, I got 796,000 results.
        Certanly most won’t give you what you need, but the first 20-30 will.

        One must be off in the wilderness, to not know about giving Obama the authority to shut down World Wide Web access, just like what’s been done in IRAN …

        It’s no shock to me… two different regimes
        - one controlled by a Central Bank – on a global scale.
        - the other one controlled much the same way, without being a part of the global financial central bank.

        BOTH with the same agenda – CONTROL

        Remember this —>
        “How fortunate for leaders, that the masses do not think.” – Hitler

        • DaveH

          Anthony,
          Since you take it on yourself to condescend me, I will have to fight back. Don’t behave like a Liberal, Anthony.
          Anthony said “who are about to be shut down by Dictator Obama, thanks to the new Cyber-Security Law”.
          I repeat “What new Cyber-Security Law”?
          You have supplied us with a Cyber-Security Bill, Anthony, not a Law. You have no right to condescend me when you don’t even know the difference between a Law and a Bill.

        • DaveH

          What’s really funny is that I asked that question in all innocence, thinking that maybe that slipped by me and actually got passed into law. You could have saved yourself a lot of embarrassment, Anthony, by not choosing to condescend me.

        • Claire

          Anthony–”How fortunate for leaders, that the masses do not think.”

          While there is some truth to this statement, I fail to see how it applies to most people on this site.

          • Al Sieber

            Claire, that was a quote by A. Hitler, and was a generalization.

          • Claire

            Al Sieber: I realize it was a quotation from Hitler. I think I am becoming defensive. I should probably cool it for awhile.

          • libertytrain

            Claire – I’m finding that particular poster consumed with some sort of excess of self-importance – you seem to be feeling it or sensing it as well. And I’m not talking about Al or Dave H – :) We are all important and of value – lest anyone think I was saying we are not.

          • Al Sieber

            Claire, don’t worry, another similar quote was; “it’s so fortunate for governments that people don’t think”. I’m not sure what Anthony meant either.

          • Claire

            libertytrain–You are accurate in what you say. We are all important–and yes, I sense a mannerism of self-importance and self-indulgence. You “read” me very well! lol

          • Claire

            Al Sieber: “its so fortunate for governments that people don’t think”

            This is identical to Hitler’s quote and I interpret it to mean that people are not using their brains and are too stupid to realize what is going on.

            I say–give Americans some credit–they know exactly what is going on, regardless of what party they are involved with. I am not stupid or brainless by any means and neither is anyone else on this site. I call it differences of opinions/party affiliations and that is it in a nutshell.

          • Al Sieber

            Claire, I meant that was what the Governments think about us in general, not what you think, or other people on this site think, I didn’t mean to offend you and I wasn’t calling you brainless, sorry.

          • Al Sieber

            And also, there’s more people aware of whats going on then we realize.

        • JeffH

          libertytrain, I too am thinking the same.

          • libertytrain

            ah so, I didn’t think it was just my imagination.

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, sometimes some of us can be overbearing, I know I’m guilty sometimes…but none of us can really profess to believe we “got it all figured out”. We just share our thoughts, share and compare all of the info we read and try to piece the puzzle together. More of what we share puts us on the trail of discovery and gives some or most of us direction. The “disease” has been building momentum for too long to have the final cure, but I think we can sure as heck stop the bleeding and move toward finding the final cure.

          • libertytrain

            JeffH – well said – and really style does have a lot to do with it. Whose words I will read with interest and whose words, no matter the content, I’ll just dis because some sort of supreme attitude loudly comes through the words with each post.

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, truer words haven’t been spoken. One comes to mind, BW.

      • DaveH

        Since we’re on the subject of the cybersecurity bill, I realized that only 5 Representatives in the House voted against this attempted takeover of the Internet by the Government. And as might be expected one of them was Ron Paul. Did the others just not read the Bill? How could it possibly come to any good for the President to be able to shut down our information source? Good Grief, I blinked and all of a sudden we are on the brink of total Government dominance of our lives. Here is the vote (happily one of the dissenters is from my home state – Jeff Flake):
        http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll043.xml

        • DaveH

          Those of you who think the Republicans are going to be our Deliverance, just keep Hoping and Dreaming.

          • Claire

            DaveH–I agree with you again. Imagine that!

  • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

    Very Concise post Anthony. Thanks.

    Paz

    Duende

  • Chuck

    What good does deporting these animals accomplish? Until we hold the country of origin accountable, we are shoveling the proverbial sand against the tide. We are not dealing with individuals, we are dealing with gangs and we should handle themm the same way that we would an army, in this case, one that has invaded our country. Hells Angels, Cribs, Bloods, etc. should be considered similarly and all memmbers would be held responsible for the crimes of any one of the members.

    • Al Sieber

      I can agree on that.

  • DaveH
    • Anthony

      Thanks, DH ….

      Looking for the FULL video to download, right away.

      Did you get a chance to view what was on that nwofordummies site?

      • DaveH

        No, not yet, but I wll keep it in mind.

    • DaveH

      From the Video “If you live beyond your means today, by necessity you will have to live below your means tomorrow. That is the tomorrow we are creating for our nation”.
      Translation – If you need to borrow money today to live a decent life, what are you going to do when you have to add the expense of loan payments to your already thinly stretched salary?

      • Anthony

        From my research, I know this –

        1)Hollywood was originally funded by people directly related to THE FED. If you check out the timelines, Hollywood started taking off in the 20′s and expanded largely in the 30′s, especially with the advent of color film. John Wayne’s “The Big Trail” was done in 70mm – making it a perfect film (nowadays) to show in IMAX theaters.

        This makes Hollywood and the Theater Movieplex’s directly under the control of (guess who)… So, logic dictates the Controllers would NOT want this movie being seen by anyone, no matter what…. Unless….

        2)The other worry (for us), is allowing this video to be seen [ especially when LOOSE CHANGE & From Freedom To Fascism were definitely suppressed, except online] would rile some half-informed patriot minded quiks-draw mcgraw, enabling these same Controller to implement MARSHAL LAW, and strip the nation of weapons in OUR hands.

        As you can see, I’m extrapolating – to a worse case scenario.
        England & Australia quietly gave up “the right to bear arms” some time ago .. we are effectively, the last Nation who still maintains this right, and the rest of the World knows it.

        They cannot invoke forced/scripted famime, without two things occurring …

        a)super high inflation (which they are implementing right under our noses, right now – all you have to do is read the financials; check the trend experts)

        b)they must disarm Americans who would otherwise defend against this nonsense.

        In the end, I have no doubt a partially-trained CIA wannabe-operative will be instituted as was Lee Harvey Oswald or Timothy McVeigh. They just tried one stunt in Austin, TX (remember) with that light airplane crash into (scripted) the IRS Building. Only it didn’t get the desired results, thanks to ALEX JONES (partially) and several cellphones that can record active video, proving quite well that the plane was under remote-control and the pilot the FEDs were instantly accusing wasn’t even inside the aircraft. It has been determined to be a false flag event… but more correctly, a TEST scenario to guage the response as desired, or otherwise.

        It looks to be funny as documentaries go…

        It’d be even funnier to see Michael Moore’s reactions
        (especially since it isn’t his film… or is it)

  • Gloria

    Get real. Every one of us is to blame for allowing our government to ignore and fail to act on a problem which is DECADES old. Credit where credit is due and the same for blame.

    EXACTLY HOW IS IT THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT RELEASED THESE CRIMINALS ? Were they unable to ascertain their status while they were in custody? They could have been deported on the spot for their crimes.
    Most illegals are here illegally because of our institutional failures and our collective willingness to look the other way while we exploit them for our economic gain.
    Exactly what would happen to our communities and businesses if TOMORROW every illegal employee disappeared? There would be a massive breakdown in the every day life of every “legal” person in this nation. These are exploited and oppressed people. We need to take a good honest look in the mirror.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Gloria,
      I think you underestimate the determination of the American people when faced with true adversity! I don’t believe it would effect my life half as much as you think if all the illegals left tomorrow!! I for one would like to find out! I have about six to seven months of food stored up. I am a hunter both gun and crossbow. I am a good fisherman, and I also can goods from my garden. Actually, truth be known, I could stand to lose a few pounds, anyway! Probably at least half of the posters here fall into THAT group!!!

  • http://none draper b. gregory

    Hello: This is a first for me. The comments are refreshing and thoughtful. That is encouraging; however, my greatest fear is the insidious invasion of our country and our way of life by the fanatic part of the Islamic faith. Does anyone feel that our country and our way of life are going to be around forever? We must remain informed and united, and then recruit candidates who will do the will of the people.
    It seems that silence leads to acquiescence, which leads to enablement.Let’s look to what our adversaries actually do, rather than hang upon their words. I suppose I am in the sunset years; however, my sense of duty calls me to get engaged with our political system. We’ll see.All the best to each of you. Sincerely, Draper Gregory

  • Robert

    maybe we citizens might think that in your quest to be compasionate you forgot to look at the problem from a real time understanding that when people know that you are compassionate you will over look the reality that you are being made a fool of. if every say some one came to you and asked for you to give them 20 dollars, at what point are you going to say no go get yourself a job? turn this to illegal alliens. a few illegal alliens would maybe be ok, but think about this happening under roosevelt who sent them back to the country they came from, trumam also did the same, and Eisenhouwer also did so. then Reagan tried amnisty think this would end it. it did not. When does it end when we are bankrupt? When we are over run and taken over and thrown out of our own country? we have millions of people on welfare who can do the jobs, but they just want for the most part to sit on their buts and live like kings. the liberals think they need everything and pass laws giving it to them. I believe there are 30 million on government handouts including illegals. And illegals get food stamps and wic. If you are so stupid as to think this is compassion when you are being bled to death and overrun then you the biggest problem. you will cause everyone to bankruptcy and servants to another country. is this what you call compassion? I call it stupity and suicide.

  • Robert

    now think of this. everyone must have papers, a drivers licence (which should not be issued untill legality of citizenshiip is verified),proper visa, work permit, student permit) and show when they are stopped for a driver violation, arrested,apply for a job, apply for government assistance, are addmited to a hospital, apply government grants, entry to school, and visa. all people who are going to hire someone for anything including casual work must record the legal document that shows that the person is legally able to apply for the job and work. this way whenever someone is found to have an illegal allien in employment they will be arrested for that vilolation and prosacuted to the fullest extent of the law. there can be more done but you what i mean. then deport the illegal allien .

  • Robert

    looks like no one cares. then they deserve all the s–t they will receive.

  • JimLane

    The only problem I see about deporting them is that they came here once illegally, so, they’ll just come here again. We need some way to keep them penned-up once they’re caught so they can’t continue their criminal activities. A lot of the problems (like the rapist of the 5-year old in the story above) would disappear if we used the death penalty as we should. Don’t keep them incarcerated year after year, filing appeal after appeal. Give them a limited number of appeals and if those fail, death. THEY wouldn’t be able to hurt anyone again AND (contrary to the bleeding hearts out there) a lot of others would think long and hard about committing such crimes.

    JimLane

  • http://none,yet Larry Martz

    A lot of this kind of reprehensible lack of correct activity by our legislators can be improved or cured by establishing accountability in elections. A lot of the radio comentators (talk radio) say that the “ballot box works, use it.” The truth is that it works for those who control the vote counting. That is why we can’t get rid of the crooks and get enough good people in. Go to http://www.blackboxvoting.org and/or http://www.votefraud.org to learn about one of the worst causses of the problem and how we can correct it at least mostly.

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