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The Violent Militarization Of Local Police

February 13, 2012 by  

The Violent Militarization Of Local Police

Law-abiding citizens are no longer safe from police. Once the motto for police officers was “To protect and serve,” but now it seems to be “To harass, assault and attack.”

Across the country, police officers are increasingly militarized and increasingly militant. They make up laws out of thin air, claiming that innocuous activities like watching or videotaping police activities — including arrests on public streets,  walking in certain neighborhoods, parking on certain streets and putting trash in trash cans — are crimes.

While the vilest offenders are SWAT teams, even regular patrol officers become violent at the least provocation. Thanks to YouTube and similar content-sharing sites, more of these incidents are coming to light. However, capturing video of these incidents has put the videographer at risk from the police, who often unlawfully and forcibly take the phone or camera and erase its contents or remove its memory card. It’s not unusual for the videographer to be roughed up and/or threatened with arrest in the process. A list of recent incidences of police brutality and other police misconduct can be read at Injustice Everywhere.

Cops have come to think of themselves as gods above the law whose commands are to be obeyed immediately and without question. Any hesitation often leads to the “suspect” being left bleeding and broken or quivering from electricity introduced by a TASER. It doesn’t matter if the person was unable to understand the command because of a language barrier, or if the person was unable to comply due to disability or defect. Officers expect immediate and complete compliance with no questions asked.

They are shooting dogs for barking, Tasing (see here and here) and pepper spraying children in schools and shooting wheelchair-bound men in the streets. They apparently feel they operate above the law.

Many, if not most, patrol cars now carry dash cams. Sometimes, dash cam videos are preserved, which allows abused citizens — if they are persistent and dogged enough — to get justice and restitution occasionally. Such was the case shown here, where the officer threatened to shoot a suspect in the head for not revealing he had a concealed weapon in the car. Often, though, the dash cam video mysteriously disappears before trial.

According to a report by the CATO Institute, tens of thousands of raids are conducted by SWAT teams each year. The report claimed:

These increasingly frequent raids, 40,000 per year by one estimate, are needlessly subjecting nonviolent drug offenders, bystanders, and wrongly targeted civilians to the terror of having their homes invaded while they’re sleeping, usually by teams of heavily armed paramilitary units dressed not as police officers but as soldiers. These raids bring unnecessary violence and provocation to nonviolent drug offenders, many of whom were guilty of only misdemeanors. The raids terrorize innocents when police mistakenly target the wrong residence. And they have resulted in dozens of needless deaths and injuries, not only of drug offenders, but also of police officers, children, bystanders, and innocent suspects.

The so-called War on Drugs is undoubtedly the casus belli for the increased militarization of the police. SWAT officers are armed and armored as well as, if not better than, soldiers. Drug task forces receive Federal funding to purchase assault weapons, armor and armored vehicles to use in drug raids. They no longer serve warrants by knocking on doors or by picking up suspects on the streets. Instead, they bash down doors or use chain saws to gain entry.

SWAT teams argue their safety requires they swarm into homes. But that doesn’t negate the fact that they create an explosive situation that often leads to innocent people being harmed or killed. Sadly, they often force their way into the wrong residence.

The instance in Tucson, Ariz., in which Iraq veteran Jose Guerena was shot 60 times by SWAT officers in his home is prima facie evidence of the danger these situations create.

In the early morning hours Guerena’s wife, Vanessa, saw a man pointing a gun at her through the window. She awakened her husband, who was asleep after working the night shift. Thinking a home invasion was in progress, Guerena told his wife to get into a closet and grabbed his gun.

The SWAT team forced open the door and opened fire on Guerena, then stood by and watched him bleed for an hour before letting paramedics treat him. By then, he was dead. SWAT officers then lied about who shot first. The safety was still on Guerena’s gun, indicating he never fired. Nothing illegal was found in Guerena’s home.

It is grounded in conservative American psyche to defend oneself and one’s home. Yet responding to an unannounced and violent intrusion by police will leave you as dead as it left Guerena.

And even if you aren’t shot dead, the police have no qualms about destroying your residence. They claim it is police procedure to gas the house, tear up floor boards, kick in doors and walls, and strew contents of cabinets and furniture to the winds. Requests for compensation are ignored, even if nothing was ever found.

But it’s not just suspected drug dealers who feel the wrath of police officers. Just ask Marianne Godboldo of Detroit. Police thugs forcibly removed her daughter for the crime of Godboldo not giving her daughter a pill prescribed by a physician.

Most people dismiss claims of an increasingly violent and aggressive police force as either conspiracy theory or sour grapes by criminals. Minorities have long seen their claims of police brutality dismissed out of hand by white America. Many people naively believe that if they don’t commit a crime, they won’t have anything to worry about from police. But it’s high time that people see this for what it is and connect the dots on the news stories of today.

Congress has just authorized having as many as 30,000 unmanned drones patrolling the U.S. skies. The FBI and Department of Homeland Security are greatly expanding the definition of extremist and terrorist to include people performing normal activities or objecting to paying taxes. The USA Patriot Act and the National Defense Authorization Act have given government carte blanche to detain Americans without charge and without trial and ship them to the Guantanamo Bay prison resort.

In a series of debates on socialism in 1914, John Basil Barnhill said, “Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty.” The government fears the people and the coming conflagration it has sparked. By tightening its grasp on liberty through the militarization of the police force, the pendulum is swinging to where the people are now beginning to fear their government.

Where this will lead is anybody’s guess, but I predict it won’t be pretty.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • RevNowWhileWeCan

    Socialist police state coming to a FEMA concentration camp near you! I really try not to buy into all the conspiracy stuff but after a while it just seem so obvious that it would seem almost naive to see it any other way. The facts just keep pounding at you from every direction without not even really looking for them. They’re taking away our liberties one sneaky pre-Christmas hearing at a time. The lobbhyist’s pay so much money to get these bills snuck in when nobody’s looking and the idiot house and senate that run it thru real quick alot of time don’t even know what they’ve done. SMDH!

    • SSGDave

      Guerena was pulled over in company with 2 known drug dealers and several times drugs were found in his vehicle whne he was stopped alone according to the Tucson newspapers-i do question Why he wasn’t arrested then. He was also stopped in company with a known human trafficker and drug smuggler on 2 occasions according to the TV news. Again, no arrest. Kind of smells like “Fast and Futile” to me, especially after the DEA was involved in both news articles, then suddenly the articles were removed from online access. I hope we Don’t have Obama after this and really wonder how he made it thru his 1st term especially with all the evidence coming to light during this Georgia trial on Obama’s ligitimacy for office. Clinton’s plans were bad-This guy brings new meaning to “Socialist Police State”.

      • NC

        SSG, “Clinton’s plans were bad” you! Were bush’s plans good?

        • Capitalist at Birth

          We have had horrible Presidents since 1988. Two “Republicans” and tow Democrats. I use the quotation marks on Republican for a reason. If you do not understand why, I am sorry for you.

          • Janice

            the comment was not about parties…the comment was that our problems against capitalism started years before Obama. Putting into place executive orders sto take away property (Clinton) and our rights.
            Be open minded, this problem is bigger than you think.

          • FreedomFighter

            Standard Globalization

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2FNN-g4ctU&feature=uploademail

            Goverment sterilization worldwide, land grab AGENDA 21, forced to eat GMO poison foods…

            They expect riots, the police are tools to be used to bring in UN Troops.

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

          • Tom W.

            This has been snow-balling for guite some time now Go back to the Rodney King beating, Ruby Ridge, Waco, overaggressive police shootings in NYC, Louisville, and other American cities all of which bring me to the question (And I fully understand that I’m one of those conspiracy theory nuts!) why are the OWS protester being treated with such kid gloves?!! If those had been Tea Party Rallies, the blood would’ve been rolling in the streets!!!

        • Janice

          The media never talked about the times that Clinton passed executive orders that will come to play in this Obama scenario that we are living. In particular Agenda 21, Sustainable Development. The last two years of Bush’s administration is what everyone complains about and that is when Nancy and Harry ran both houses and spent all the money. People wake up, start reading the whole story instead of snipits of propaganda. We are on the edge of going over…

          • NC

            Janice, The first big chunk of change that Democrats Reid and Pelosi spent were to answer the pleas from Republican bush for stimulus money for his failing economy! TARP!!
            Why did McCain accuse his own party of spending like a “drunk sailor” in Congress BEFORE THE DEMOCRATS TOOK CONTROL? Did he know something you are denying?

            When you have a job and you get to work in your ONLY truck and the truck breaks down you spend whatever it takes to fix the truck so you can get to work to feed your family!RIGHT???
            When Obama took office OUR TRUCK WAS BROKEN! LOSING OIL (JOBS!!2.1 MILLION IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR)LOSING COMPRESSION ( DOW DOWN 7500 POINTS IN 16 MONTHS)
            BEING CRITICAL IS A RIGHT! BEING HONEST IS A MORAL OBLIGATION! BEING IN DENIAL IS A MENTAL ILLNESS!

          • Opal the Gem

            “When Obama took office OUR TRUCK WAS BROKEN! LOSING OIL (JOBS!!2.1 MILLION IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR)LOSING COMPRESSION ( DOW DOWN 7500 POINTS IN 16 MONTHS)”

            Now that obama has been in office for three + years the bottom is blown out of the enjine, the rods are thru the side of the block, and it is out of oil and gas.

          • Vicki

            NC writes:

            The first big chunk of change that Democrats Reid and Pelosi spent were to answer the pleas from Republican bush for stimulus money for his failing economy! TARP!!

            So you are saying that the Democrats are too weak or too irresponsible to just say no?

            Or just proving the point that Bush was a liberal in republican clothing?

            Having observed the bailouts when it was all in the control of Democrats the answer would appear to be the latter.

          • http://google.com Rob Luna

            Janice, you’re absolutely correct, but it doesn’t matter if you draw a picture Democrats will never understand. The Democrats have been in control of government since 2006 and even had 100% control for two years where they could have passed anything they wanted to help save the country. Instead they devoted all of their time to the biggest Socialist piece of garbage “ObamaCare” in the history of our Country. Now the Communists Obama wants $3.8 Trillion dollars so he can officially sink us. Bush’s spending was miniscule next to Obama’s numbers. We must remove Obama from office ASAP, waiting until January is too long. We must move for impeachment immediately.

      • madmountin

        Even in rural Idaho most city PD’s that I’ve been exposed to are already militarized. It would behove you all to check out http://www.oathkeepers.com and find out if local authorities belong (or even heard of them). Think about moving to the American Reboubt. .. . to quote an old friend, “You don’t need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blown’”… I have friends in the Co. Sheriff’s and local PD and even they tell me that there are many ‘loose cannons’. Get a scanner and listen to what goes on. 1984 here we come…. big brother will soon be watching all of us…. oh and wait!! it gets better, wait until the authorities (city,county and state) have paid informants working for them, check out New Jersey and see what’s going on…

    • Old Henry
      • Capitalist at Birth

        Jesse is a loon, pure and simple. I will not watch anything he is in.

        • http://google gary gerke

          Get your head out of the sand, you might not like him, however, there is a lot of truth in what he reports on!

        • FreedomFighter

          Same old same old — he is a loon…crazy, cant happen here…

          Answer: Already did, and continues to happen

          Maybe the loons of the world are more sensitive to being caged and killed and the non-loons think they are safe because they play along?

          Answer: Nope, nobody will be safe

          IMHO the growing audacity of violence by the police departments and officers will keep pushing ( “knowingly” ) lawabiding populace until a point of “pushback” is reached.

          Once this point is reached the police will be slaughtered, the police will respond with more violence “blueman revenge club” escalation will occur and possible total riots with police will be happening around the country.

          This is the NWO plan, divide and let us kill each other off, then bring in UN troops, because the police will be toast. Its the take over guys – we need not let this happen.

          End game has started

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

        • ruth

          sorry, but janice is right on, you ass! freedomfighter, so dam true!mike, right on!and a coulpe more on here, RIGHT ON! THE LIBERAL ASSES , WELL, YOU KNOW WHERE YOU CAN GO, OR DO I HAVE TO SPELL IT OUT?

        • Tom W.

          Is Jesse a loon or is that what we’ve been made to believe by the elite media who will smear anyone wanting to talk about the things that they’re evidently very sensitive about! They won’t even say Alex Jones’ name on FNC!!! I’m of the school that if the things that Alex and Jesse are CHARGING, aren’t true, they should be shot for treason! If they are true, there’s a whole bunch of people who need to be shot!!!

          “Give me Dick Chaney a waterboard and a hour, and I’ll have him confessing to the Sharon Tate murders!” – Jesse Ventura

          • Old Henry

            With Chaney’s heart? I doubt it.

            Now Shrub and Rumsfeld, that’s a nother story…

      • RevNowWhileWeCan

        Thanx for the link Henry! Very enlightening.
        Since we are rapidly moving towards a nazi policed state I have a couple of suggestions.
        1. Like the nazis, we hold an American “night of the broken glass” and instead of burning books we burn all of the U.S. paper currency and reprint our own. Contrary to belief, this will not make our economy collapse it will bankrupt the privately owned Federal Reserve and stop their ability to fund wars and Halliburton, the company financing the “fusion centers.”
        2. Like the nazis, we hold a “night of the long swords” and instead of killing all of the opposing political members, we round up all of the world banks c.e.o.’s and arrest them and put them on trial for conspiracy to commit crimes against humanity. To do this we just threaten the congressmen and senators with jail time and offer amnesty for those who testify that they were bribed into passing damaging bills.
        We are in big trouble as a country and unless we take drastic measures we will be lead down a path with no breadcrumbs and no way to find our way back to 1836 when Jackson was president and was the 1st and only time, we as a nation were not in debt to the privately owned, doubled-sided war financing, world controlled, Federal Reserve.
        We don’t need a tea party or an occupation of financial districts. We need to properly organize a day when all of America goes to their banks and takes out all of the money and stop using any electronic transactions. This will chop the head off of the snake and stop them dead in their tracks.

        • professor

          Rev..

          We could wake up any morning to find that the government has replaced Dollars with, lets say, Amerigos! Everyone would be bankrupt, or would lose the vast majority of their wealth..

          If Americans took all their money out of the economy, as you suggest, that is exactly what would happen. We are not going to beat this usurper at his own game. He is a lawless criminal and ignores the Constitution and the Rule of Law.

          These criminals will have to be stopped and their power taken away before any changes can be made. The illegal foreigner has yet to be challenged! He does whatever he pleases and as he raises his chin in that arrogant stance, his message is, “Stop me if you think you can.”

          • RevNowWhileWeCan

            I agree with most of that. That’s why the MSM and elites are crapping their collective pants right now because Ron Paul is getting to many ears for their liking. Paul should go the distance in the primary and if he dosen’t get the nod he should say, “Thank’s everyone for laughing at me the whole campaign and letting me get my ‘kooky’ ideas out to the masses. Now that most of the populus knows what I’m REALLY about and what I want to do, I’m going to run as an Independant and win the Presidency! Now who’s the kook you dumb #$@k’s?!?
            I’m a 1st time GenX voter and I’ll be writing Pauls name on whatever ballot I can.

        • Mike

          “We don’t need a tea party or an occupation of financial districts. We need to properly organize a day when all of America goes to their banks and takes out all of the money and stop using any electronic transactions. This will chop the head off of the snake and stop them dead in their tracks.”

          They’ve got that risk covered. Firstly, the banks only have about 1% of our cash available. Secondly, the massive lines, and just one teller on duty, and she’s working slowly…. but apart from that, your plan was good.

          • RevNowWhileWeCan

            Oh yea. I forgot to tell ya about the part where we print our own “greenbacks” like Lincoln tried to do before he got shot.

        • http://google.com Rob Luna

          Just as we were making progress, a real loony toons chimes in. “Halliburton” is financing this whole deal. Please, Halliburton is an outstanding Company that does an outstanding job in whatever they do. They hire thousands Americans and pay them well all over the World. Halliburton is responsible for the invention of fracturing and produce the best diamond drill bits in the industry. My family has worked for Halliburton for 70 years, all over the World. It’s a shame that pig Obama raised Corporate taxes forcing them to move to Dubai. It was much easier when they were in Dallas or Houston or even Duncan, Oklahoma. The only reason Halliburton has a bad rap is because of their connection to Cheney.

      • Rocky R.

        Rob Luna,good luck in finding anyone in congress with brains enough to do that,they are giving up on helping us unless you know someone inside
        in high places,Impeachment is to lenient for him,”High Crimes IN HIGH
        PLACES,”he should be tried for treason along with Eric Holder,get your
        state to eliminate his name from being on the ballot,stand up for the one guy that will help us,”Mr.Ron Paul,”the others are typical GOP’s
        they won’t help anyone but themselves,we are in the death throes (AMERICA)???

    • wandamurline

      We had a over zealous officer locally…an old man (80) was speeding to take his friend who seemed to be having a heart attack to the ER. They had been followed by the officer for about ten miles and when they had to stop for a light because of traffic, the officer grabbed the old man, almost threw him on the ground, arrested him and left the one having a heart attack in the car, alone. Finally, someone in traffic spoke to the man, parked the car, and took him to the ER. Needless to say, our town went volital…the officer was fired and we urged the old man who was arrested to sue the city and the officer. It is going to cost them a lot of money. All the officer had to do was listen to the old man, and then he should have given him assistance to the ER. The other man was having a heart attack, but due to strangers, he lived.

      • patty

        No. It is going to cost the people of your town a lot of money. Your town has no money except what it confiscates from the people living in it. So sue yourself, friends and neighbors. And when your property taxes go up and your services go down to pay him off, don’t complain.

      • Bob M

        I was involved in a similar incident several years ago while taking my son to the hospital, I was pulled over by a Massachusetts Nazi also known as a state trooper, for doing 60 mph in a 45 zone. I attempted unsucessfully to explain that I was taking my son to the ER. While my son was in pain, his injury was not life threatening, however the cop could not have known this, as he never asked and never looked in the back seat, his only concern was obtaining my license and registration in order to score a fat ticket. Since I was not a defenseless eighty year old and not susceptible to intimidation I was handling the situation when a local officer intervened, took a second to confirm the nature of the emergency and allowed me to proceed. Now if public safety was such a concern, as the cops will always claim, the cops could have provided an escort, they did not, their job is not to serve and protect it is in fact to stop and collect.
        Why do I refer to the Massachusetts state cops as Nazis? Take a look at the uniforms, the resemblance to WWII German officers is no mere coincidence.

        • Vicki

          During a more civilized era (before the war on (some) drugs) it was normal and expected for a cop to provide code 3 escort to someone being transported to a hospital. All you had to do was pull over (have your license ready) and promptly tell the officer.

          Alas that was yesterday and yesterday’s gone. :(

          • Bob M

            Right. I even remember as a child getteig a ride to the hospital several towns away in the cruiser. I forget what I did, but I needed to go to the ER, my mother called the police station, appearently there was no ambulance, so an officer came out picked up my mother and me and drove us. That was the 50s

  • Thinking About

    Are you referring to the Wyoming FEMA camp?

    • RevNowWhileWeCan

      No I’m referring to the 3,000 FEMA camps set up around the country with facilities made to hold people in with turnstlyes and barbed wired fences. You can google FEMA sights to check it out for youself and if you still can’t find it go to infowars.com and check out Alex’s links. I think that’s definately one of his issues he likes to push. I think it’s pretty scary myself.

      • former walmart person

        Whats even crazier is the footage you can find on all the human sized plastic coffins they have stacked into each other at various sites…. See, its terrifying, but they could wage a false flag bio attack and tell everyone to report to FEMA camps to be given the vaccine. No forcing or hand holding. People will VOLUNTARILY go to the FEMA camps en mass because your average citicen is not truly awake to just how criminal our government is. Once administered the “vaccine”, you die lets say in a few weeks. The woken up masses can then be mopped up by the ordering obeying nazi portions of out own military. If the military fights back and civil war erupts, the UN will just be brought into mop up.

        The only advantage we have against such a horrible plan is the uncertainly. These super cowardly yet evil elitists HATE uncertainly. To unleash something crazy like a bio terror false flag is to take a gamble, because there is a chance that more are awake then they thought and things can get out of control once people totally abandon the system and fight for liberty knowing that a quick death is preferable to slow starvation. If that happens, the elitists might hide and run but they can no longer control.

        Interseting times ahead. One thing for sure. I don’t have to sit here and here about “how hard” the so called “greates generation” had it during / after world war 2. This generation just couldn’t stop from rapidly fornicating and causing all the baby boomers. Also, in about 5-10 years, we will be reduced to eating rats over bruning trash cans. At least I can say I was tougher than any of these bastards if I don’t die quickly.

        • Karolyn

          They’re not coffins; they’re grave liners. “As ye think, so shall ye be.”

          • Loretta

            What’s the difference??? They will use them to stack in all the bodies!!!

          • Old Henry

            Yes Loretta, and if you watch the Ventura link above you will that once he brought many thousands of them to light they were mysteriously moved.

            Karolyn – wake up and look around. Even if it’s only half true it’s way, way out of bounds.

          • Vicki

            Karolyn says:

            They’re not coffins; they’re grave liners. “As ye think, so shall ye be.”

            And if they were just plastic cubes that happen to be about the right size to keep dead humans in this would make it better why?

          • eddie47d

            Stop making up stories about the FEMA camps Vickie. It’s called being prepared such as stock piling food blankets,guns and even coffin liners. You stock pile so why wouldn’t the government be prepared? What would you do if there was massive deaths because of a bio attack and to avoid contamination to others the bodies have to be disposed of quickly? Maybe you would wait until the “coffins” are shipped from China!

          • Vicki

            eddie47d says:

            Stop making up stories about the FEMA camps Vickie. It’s called being prepared such as stock piling food blankets,guns and even coffin liners. You stock pile so why wouldn’t the government be prepared?

            You have an interesting sensitivity there Eddie47d. Perhaps you would like to enlighten us as to what story I was making up.

            What would you do if there was massive deaths because of a bio attack and to avoid contamination to others the bodies have to be disposed of quickly?

            Ancient knowledge. Look it up.

        • http://N/A SSG. LASSITER-RVN-’66-’70

          WALMART PERSON….HERE’S A NEWS FLASH FOR YA. “WE”(ARMED)AMERICANS OUTNUMBER THE U.S. MILITARY AND THE DAMN U.N. AND “WE” ARE OVER 80% MILITARY VETERANS.JUST LET THE BASTARDS TRY TO TAKE “US” TO A DAMN FEMA CAMP.EVERY FEMA CAMP KNOWN TO EXIST SHOULD BE BURNED TO THE GROUND YESTERDAY!!. FIRE IS THE ULTIMATE CLEANSER..LEAVES NOTHING! OUR TARGETS EYES WILL BE BAYONETED AND BODIES BURNED. BRING IT ON!

          • Old Henry

            Bravo SSG. Stay strong and determinded. However, if they come for us one or two or three at a time by the time we realize what is going on it may be too late.

            Sort of like picking off a flock of ducks one / two at at time from the very back of the flock.

          • ghop

            Right behind you, Sarg.

          • JUKEBOX

            OldHenry, that is the very thing I call “TERMITE GOVERNMENT”, it takes one small bite at a time, and before you know it, things collapse around you.

          • former walmart person

            I appreciate your ferver, and yes, there are more small arms among the American people then among all the major armies combined. HOWEVER, last time I checked, I couldn’t purchase a M1A2 main battle tank, field artillery laced with chemical warhead capability, F-18 Hornet, tactical and strategic nuclear weapons, etc., etc., etc. (not that I could afford these toys anyway).

            All the AR-15 armed red necks and former military vets in the world aren’t going to stand up to B-52 carpet bombing, artillery strikes, battle tank blitzcrieg’s, etc. The current, active military who gets to play with these toys has to defect at least to some extent if we freedoms has a prayer IF it get to that.

          • John

            And what will you do with it against a drone mounted microwave crowd control weapon or a beam fired against you from miles away that will cause pain and agony in your body to an extent you rather give up or want to be death then one more second of the pain? The notion that the government was afraid of the citizens and the weapons they own is not true anymore, the government has found ways to make you wish you never picked up those weapons…and they will do it from miles away. they thought about using them in Afghanistan but feared to reveal the functionality and feared the uproar of liberals over its use…. in the scenario you are talking about, want to bet those systems will be used. Moreover, many of those systems are NOT controlled by the military or LEO but private contractors.. who did not swore an oat and don’t give a rats arse about the constitutional limitations.

          • Larry Castle

            You know what we say Sarg, we leave no one behind, if you need help just yell real loud. they think we are only ones and twos little do they know.

          • JeffH

            SSG. LASSITER-RVN-’66-’70, are you familiar with The Oath Keepers?
            http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

          • http://google.com Rob Luna

            Right on Sarg. The thing that scares me is if they try to trick us by releasing some biological weapon that kills a few and convince us to go to these camps for our own safety. There would be millions of people who would fall for this. Once were in and disarmed, its over. If I see this happening anywhere across the nation I’m heading for the Mountains in Big Bend or somewhere. I’ve got water, a small tent and several weapons. I can hunt,and survive for months. I attended a Gun Show this weekend and Americans are stocking up for protection.

        • Old Henry

          Former:

          See the link I posted just above.

        • Kevin

          The UN could not wipe its collective asses without American and British money and espertise.

      • Thinking About

        Rev, I went to the web site you referred me to and thought for a moment I was standing in the check out line reading the rags headlines. Sometimes when things are presented which sounds this far out I check reliable sources and I did in this situation and did not locate reliable sources to back up the story of 3000 FEMA camps. What I did find is 2009 HR bill 645 stating at least 6 camps to be set up on old military bases for times of diaster to temporary house the displaced.

  • former walmart person

    Remember, when the crap hits the fan and they come to take you away to a camp, FEMA or otherwise, at that point you lose nothing by fighting back. If you go to a camp, you will starve. I have gone 2 hours without food before and it is agonizing. you want to go weeks without food? As was said in Starship Troopers the movie, “You apes want to live forever???”

    • former walmart person

      meant to say 2 hours without food rather than 2 hours as above.

      • former walmart person

        I meant 24 hours.

        • Old Henry

          There ya go! It is Monday…

        • John

          Once a week, usually Mondays, Sun evening to Monday evening, I do not eat food at all just water… it was bad when I started 50 years ago but now it does not mater anymore. Sometimes I add a second day…but that is rare as i need energy to do my job. the best thing anyone can do to prepare for lean times is to start taking one day a week and only have water for 24 hrs…. start slow and you will find it is no big deal after a while.

          • http://www.facebook.com/annathule Christine

            To quote:
            John says:
            February 13, 2012 at 11:46 am
            Once a week, usually Mondays, Sun evening to Monday evening, I do not eat food at all just water… it was bad when I started 50 years ago but now it does not mater anymore. Sometimes I add a second day…but that is rare as i need energy to do my job. the best thing anyone can do to prepare for lean times is to start taking one day a week and only have water for 24 hrs…. start slow and you will find it is no big deal after a while
            _______
            What an awesome idea! Huh, we get hungry in TWO hours, much less 24! We’re stockpiling, praying the preachers are right about the Rapture (my son wants dibs on our camping equipment BIG TIME, if it’s true! LOL Me? I’d like to see him saved and not need it all.) I’m still wondering if we’re not already in the first 3.5 years of it and it’ll be a Mid-Trib Rapture.

            But I digress. We learned REAL quick to eat a whole lot less those 2.5 yrs w/o job, money, or anything, but to prepare ourselves for what’s coming would take a fast like that. I could work on it, but my husband is diabetic, we’d have to ask his doc on that. That’s still not a bad idea. We have our 72 hour BOB’s but after that, what if? (For the gov’t: WE’RE TOO POOR TO STOCKPILE FOOD!! There, think they will leave me alone now? Yeah, me neither, oh well.) I do have one good bit of luck, IF they’re not forcing us at gunpoint to get these shots, should that be the scenario – I’m listed as having a “critical allergy” to flu and pneumonia shots. Think they’ll let me go? Huh, yeah, me neither. +sigh+

    • FreedomFighter

      NEVER GOTO THE FEMA CAMPS–IT WILL BE A DEATH SENTENCE

      Once this starts fight to the death, better than being slaughtered in a death camp.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLIniois

    It seems today that this is nazi germany not the usa i know.

    • JUKEBOX

      Read Daniel 7: 23-27. This seems like a prophesy of Obama’s ideas.

  • Flashy

    Mr. Livingston:

    this may come somewhat as a shock to you, as well as a shock to many posting here…but I agree with your article 100%.

    If I may have your permission, I would like to copy and paste this to emails to the City Council etc here.

    I have thought for the longest time that we no longer have a friendly “Officer Bob” image for school visits and the black uniforms, the black cars, the ordering to obey or get roughed up tactics.

    With your permission ..

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Flashy,

      Permission granted.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • hipshotpercusion

    Actually, the quote about tyranny was was made by Thomas Jefferson. Our founding fathers had great insight. Thats why they gave us the second amendment. Never give up your guns. Never!

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear hipshotpercusion,

      While this quote is often attributed to Jefferson, there is no evidence he actually ever said or wrote it.
      http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/when-governments-fear-people-there-libertyquotation

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Mark Are

        Bob, it sounds more important if Jefferson said it. So I’ll just continue letting folks think he said it. Here is a good quote from Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn: And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand. The Organs (police) would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst; the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!
        ~ Alexander Solzhenitsyn from The Gulag Archipelago

  • Kerry

    FEMA camps have stockpiled four person caskets for ease of getting rid of many bodies at once. I always thought the Nazis had it best with backhoes and lye!

    • Ross H. Anderson

      The coffin covers are simply to disguise the total number of corpses from the public should images of the atrocities be leaked to the public. Consider the difference of impact of seeing thousands of decomposing bodies strewn everywhere or hundreds of coffin covers with 5 to 6 bodies concealed within each one neatly stacked like so much cord wood waiting for cremation/burial. The facts are to be kept away from prying eyes for as long as possible. Consider just how long the death camps in Germany were in operation before the people began to understand their purpose. This time though, all peoples, not just a select class, are poised on the knife’s edge. How much longer will the American people refuse to understand that the government is NOT our friend. WE THE PEOPLE are the enemy to them and their elitist power.

      • Kevin

        The Nazis had killed a few million German citizens before the camps were put to use. By then everyone knew that to see things or talk about things would get a Gestapo raid in the middle of the night.

        The first killed were the former people who criticized the Nazis. Some of this was happening during the 1920s when the Nazi Party were just a few wackos.

        • John

          The first to die where the socialists. Hitler used them to come to power and after he reached his goal began systematically to purge the party and the country of socialists. He kept the socialist in the party name though…it sounded good lol.

      • Old Henry

        We can learn one thing from the history of Germany – DO NOT GIVE UP YOUR GUNS – NEVER. The German people freely turned in their guns to the government and once disarmed….

        • Kevin

          “What guns? I don’t have any guns”.

          • JUKEBOX

            You had better stock up, especially on ammo. Guns are useless without ammo.

          • JeffH

            :)

          • Deerinwater

            I don’t have any either, just a few cannon, do they count?

        • FreedomFighter

          TO GIVE UP YOUR GUNS IS TO GIVE UP YOUR LIFE, LIBERTY AND FREEDOM.

          THEY ARE NOT JUST COMING FOR YOUR GUNS, THEY ARE COMING FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, AND WILL TAKE YOU TO WORKCAMPS OR DEATH CAMPS WITH VERY LITTLE DIFFERANCE BETWEEN THE TWO.

          It is sad that the police are being manipulated into dupes to be slaughtered for the purposes of bringing in UN TROOPS.

          My hope is they realize the orders given are illegal and immoral and they join us in the resistance.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

          • mike1127

            Quite a lot of police and military belong to OathKeepers. When the crap hits the fan, they will split down the middle. Half against the public, half for them. We are headed directly for another civil war.

            Mr. Livingston, you act as if the material in this article is news to you. The public, of all races, has been aware of the abuse of police power for well over a decade.

            Hillary Clinton has just promised the U.N. that America will sign onto its Small Arms Ban Treaty. This means that owning a gun will be illegal, and that they can come for it. I believe this is what will start it off. When the police are overwhelmed, His Majesty Obama will ask for the U.N. to send in peacekeeping troops, since most of our military is on the other side of the world.

            I strongly urge you all to join the National Association of Gun Rights, and send at least ten dollars to help stop our gutless Congress from approving this treaty. If this treaty passes, we will lose yet another Amendment. We’ve already lost the 4th Amendment, do you want to lose the 2nd also?

            Remember, if they claim there is a biological attack and ask you to go to a FEMA camp for a vaccine; you NEVER want to be around a crowd of people in an epidemic. EVER. Stay at home. Do not walk willingly to your own slaughter.

            Anyone who believes that the government is your friend deserves what they get.

          • Conway Redding

            Wow, FreedomFighter, sounds as if you need to have your psych meds adjusted.

          • FreedomFighter

            Sir, name calling is the sign of a weak mind, here are some facts for you

            STFU

            S ome T ruth F or U

            Obama Signs Agenda 21-Related Executive Order

            http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/7958-obama-signs-agenda-21-related-executive-order

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

        • ruth

          SO TRUE, NEVER GIVE UP YOUR FIRE ARMS.

  • Charles Hunt

    A good many of your articles are interesting and informative. In this case, however, you are FAR wide of the mark. As a law-enforcement professional of over 25 years experience, I can unequivically state that the vast majority of police officers are polite, humane, proffessional people. We are patriotic Americans that serve out of a sense of community that you apparently lack. I will not argue the fact that there are those that are not fit to be in law enforcement, just as there are those that should not be soldiers, lawyers, dentists or authors. But, to tar the entire profession with the same brush is both unfair and stupid. It appears that you have an axe to grind, or some mental state that renders you paranoid about all police officers.
    If each and every police officer in America turned in his, or her, badge and gun, you probably wouldn’t have time to write such specious articles as you would be too busy defending yourself against the predators that would inevitably be prowling our streets.

    • former walmart person

      All I can say is I hope you are right. When the crap hits the fan, I hope to God the good police and military side with us common peasants and against he elites in power… I know that alot of you keep quiet to save your job. But when all hell breaks loose, you won’t really have your job anymore anyway.

      Here’s me saluting you and other good cops.

      • ruth

        so true, i to hope if it comes to that, that our military and police will be brave enough to take charge of their own minds to help and protect it’s citizens, and their own families, of the UNITD STATES OF AMERICA! GOD BLESS AMERICA and ISRAEL and OUR MILITARY.

    • jbird50

      Charles Hunt,

      I will have to argue with your “vast majority” comment, and I’m not surprised that as part of the “good ole boy” network, you would support other officers. As a former newspaper reporter, I have been around many police officers and I find this article on the mark. In the course of my work I learned that a local police chief had an alcohol problem and had been stopped for drunk driving numerous times by police in surrounding municipalities. He was never charged with DUI. Instead, they drove him home. This was common knowledge, but none of the police officers or departments would confirm it on the record. Finally, one of his own courageous officers found him in his vehicle, passed out on the side of the road with the engine running. He blew a .17. He was convicted by a special prosecutor and the conviction was upheld through subsequent appeals even though a chief from a nearby municipality testified the two had been together all night and had not been drinking. By the way, the city fired the arresting officer on month later. So much for doing the right thing.

    • Ivan

      Unfortunately when the predators occupy the highest offices in the nation,we must be careful who we trust. When the day comes to choose sides, I hope my local lawmen come out on my side.

      • mike1127

        Go to the OathKeepers website. You can print out a little card that you can hand to every cop you meet. OathKeepers is an organization that all citizens should get every cop and soldier they know to join.

        Remember what that oath was sworn to. It was not your government.

        • John

          Private contractors and private army’s don’t swear an oat to the constitution and do NOT have to abide by the Geneva laws of engagement.(I always lol when I hear soldiers complain that the Taliban don’t abide by the Geneva convention…. frankly, they don’t have to, the Geneva convention only regulates official government troops)
          And thus if the craper hits the fan, you will find that most of the functions will be done by private corporations ,mercenaries and the UN. Why do you believe so many prisons are privately run and so many prison guards don’t report to the local government but to a private corporation? because that way they don’t have to worry about oats to the constitution or responsibility to the people.

      • ruth

        SURE SO!

        • ruth

          DANG, SURE HOPE SO!

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      @Charlie Hunt: Charlie I thank you for your 25yrs of community service as a policeman. Today seems to be a different climate for the cops; the training and emphasis is on the tactical and SWAT methods rather than patrol and community. Not that community is not communicated and paid attention too, but the SWAT team and the tactical method is given a HUGE amount of attention. You never see the patrol guys go to Nevada for ‘street training’ but our SWAT team gets treated like rock stars!

      I appears some of this tactical stuff is a little like stored up adrenalin and testosterone: someday it comes out and that is what if firing up the kettle for public dissension against the ‘police’. Livingston and others are hearing and seeing this sporadic release of ‘let’s use our tactical advantage’ mantra is these midnight house raids and indeed some of them are just ludicrous in their staging (good grief, a wrong address? seriously? Who did the SO on this?!)

      Sometimes, frankly I think if the public was able to defend themselves better than they do now, perhaps they might be better off and the police would have fewer trips.

      • FRANK DECOLA

        I agree with you on this. It also gives the perception that they use
        these tactics as an (exercise). Since they going at petty criminals and eventually the innocents get dragged in.

    • ekim

      Hi Charlie, WELL SAID ! There is another side of this subject that was not mentioned in the article ! It has to do with the blatant disrespect officers face constantly when it becomes necessary for ANY detention of the public.
      I am an onlooker in the situation at hand and have no dog in the hunt ! Truth is the job of law enforcement is very taxing on those who truly believe it must be done !
      Only the CRIMINALS will benefit from a LAX enforcement of ” Law And Order ” !

      • DaveH

        There are other jobs if they can’t handle the heat. The only task for police should be to apprehend suspected criminals as peacefully as possible. If that means staking out their homes for a week to avoid a violent confrontation, then so be it. If the perps get wind of the operation and flush their drugs, wouldn’t it be easier to retrieve them from the sewer, or if not, is it really the end of the world if the evidence gets flushed?
        There is no excuse for our would-be protectors to become our potential killers.

        • Les

          Doing the job right doesn’t make good TV:

          • Waco is just one fine example of what law enforcement is up to. Waco was supposed to be a “BATF takes out Cult Video”. But someone called them and setup a fire fight. Even the local Sheriff said all they had to do was knock on the door and arrest him. Later using PYSOPS tactics again them and killing everyone simplified writing the “truth” about what really happened.

          • Katrina is another example of where we are headed with law enforcement and the military going against the citizens. A lot of your “peacekeepers” were doing the looting while the military went door to door seizing citizen’s fire arms. Which by the way have never been returned to this date.

          That’s just a small sample of what’s going on.

      • mike1127

        Respect is earned, not given. The actions of the police over the last decade have not demanded respect. Just the opposite, in fact.

    • gene

      when you see a person being arrested, harassed, and know they are not guilty do you step in and try to stop it, if not you are part of the problem, do you go against your fellow officers, no because then you are in jeopardy of loosing your own job

      • SSGDave

        I’ve seen good and bad officers in my time working LEO as well as USGov as a soldier and civilian, and nothing will ever stop me from preventing all the bad i possibly can. I still remember being blamed for an officer being killed after he brutally beat a 16 yr old for “Smart Mouthing” -the kid’s eyes were rolled up in his head, and he was limp, but the officer kept slamming his face into a rough rock wall until i pulled him off and had to draw my weapon to keep other officers from backing up the “Old boy”, even the super was ignoring it, but 3 weeks later the “Old boy” was found behind a store with his engine on and his driver’s window open, throat cut. The Kid’s family wasn’t rich enough to buy that kind of reprisal, and I know “Our Fellow Officers” didn’t do it- i’d bet Someone didn’t want him in court, but i’m Very Glad i wasn’t alone when his body was found-Immediately they attempted to put me in the light as the perp. To me, this is only a symptom, a group within the group like in South America. We, like with any job, can be fired, disciplined, and jailed for wrongdoing despite the “Public Image” of being untouchable-but bad apples are the ones we have to get out of the barrel before we can call ourselves completely clean. Do your part, and i’ll do mine.

        • Loretta

          What is the percentage of bad to good police????

          • LTC_Ray_Burke

            Excellent question, Loretta. My question is, where would you ever hope to find an HONEST answer?

        • Old Henry

          If that 16 year old had been my son that cop would not have had his throat slit with the window down – he would have had his head blown off and the window with it. A 12 gauge is a multi-purpose tool.

          • mike1127

            Exactly. Anyone, I don’t care who, that kills one of my children is dead. I’m tired of seeing drug dealers go to prison for life, while child molesters and murderers are out in less than 10.

            The war on drugs is a crock that encourages crooked police. Since it has been implemented, the police can now keep anything that you “may ” have bought with drug money. They can get your house, car, fishing boat, anything you own, and sell it at auction to make money to buy new equipment. I knew we were doomed as soon as that was allowed to be legal.

            When the police benefit financially from arrests, there will definitely be more arrests. The proceeds from these illegal police auctions should go to charity, the Ronald McDonald House, local homeless shelters, animal shelters, anywhere except to the police.

        • http://www.facebook.com/annathule Christine

          I have ever yet had a reason for disrespecting cops and the work they do, in fact I’m married to an ex-correctional officer, whose family is full of cops, an uncle who was a sheriff, FBI and ATF, etc. etc. (Boo and hiss all you want guys, it’s a fact.) That being said, I’ve had a WHOOOOOLE lotta reasons to have been busted over the years (when I was younger and “in the high life” you understand!) and have been cut some pretty miraculous breaks. Not only that, but BECAUSE I trust the cops, I had a neighbor (truly and for deathly real) threaten to kill me because I “didn’t have the street smarts not to know enough not to to talk to the cops”. Well, why shouldn’t I? But we live in a small town and a small county where my husband grew up, so w/ him speaking the lingo and knowing someone that someone else knows, we get seen as “the good guys” and our word gets taken at its value. If the other folks just behaved, so would they! (And ohhh Lordy, I can’t take that boy ANY where but what he doesn’t run across someone he knows! I envy him that.)

          BUT…. my point being – knowing the bunch that lives around me, +shudder+ “that family wasn’t that rich” to get something done like that, they didn’t need to be. Someone would do it, simply because the boy who was killed or badly beaten was “family” and you don’t mess w/ family. You actually might’ve gotten some street cred for that! If the boy’s friends or family saw you protecting him. That’s ++valuable++ insurance when you live in that world and work in it, etc. My husband had the respect of most of the inmates – not cuz he kissed up to them – but because he said what he was gonna do and then did what he said he would. (Like saying “Such-n-such was a rule and if you break that rule I’m going to do ____.” And then he did it.) A lot of folks, not given to respecting authority, understand that kind of respect. Give it, get it. It was my heart’s insurance that if there was a riot, he might be protected. Same for you sir, if you follow what’s laid out in good Queen’s English and then do just what’s necessary and then you’re seen protecting someone from that kind of abuse, that’ll come back to save you one day, count on it. Thank you, sir, for your 25 years off service, in all it’s forms for our country. I hope too, sir, that you are an Oathkeeper. My son is military, but he’s an Oathkeeper as well. No one deserves being painted w/ such a broad brush of such accusations of cruelty or whatever might be the case. I know many such calm and courteous officers. I think enough cops and troops see where this is all leading and it’ll take the UN to subdue us, or at least try. Not our finest, just our worst.

          Now you all in the balcony catcalling me and calling me a brown noser, can just shut up and go hiss and boo at someone else. I’ve said it and I won’t change a word. Have fun w/ your EXTREME fear. Not “necessary fear”, that’s reasonable, but some of y’all are wound just a leeeeettle tight for my tastes. Hey, get saved and y’all won’t need to be worrying all the time and taking such extreme actions. No, I won’t give up my guns, yes I have gear and food, no I’m not a fool. I even believe in the FEMA camps and why those coffins have been stored, but I don’t live peering around corners and jumping at shadows! “Yea, tho I walk thru the valley of the shadow of death…” Try it, it’s a whole lot nicer this way! :)

    • RevNowWhileWeCan

      I know most in law enforcement are good Americans but you are trained to take orders without question. What will you do when marshall law is declared and the want to secure the masses in “camps” for their “safety” and people rebel because that is their choice? Will you sit idley by and let non-violent Americans go about their business or will you follow orders along with the other trained encampment specialists and continue to round everyone up and into the camps? I know you’d probably want to do the right thing as most law officials do but the history shows that when an order is given the men in uniform follow orders and execute tasks handed down from their superiors weather the think it’s right or not. (respectfully)

      • Old Gringo

        Rev, please learn the difference between “marshall” and “martial”

        • LTC_Ray_Burke

          The meaning was obvious, Old Gringo. Any more hairs to split?

        • RevNowWhileWeCan

          Lol…Sorry . I use gut check not spell check.

    • DaveH

      Charles,
      I’m glad to hear that the limited number of police acquaintances of yours were good people. However, your limited experience is just that — Limited. In my limited experience with police acquaintances, 3 out of 4 of them were bald-faced liars. Who knows what else they were capable of.
      One of them, my former neighbor, regularly brought home ‘toys’ that were confiscated from other citizens. It was okay for him because “laws were made to protect us from stupid people”, and he fancied himself ‘not stupid’.
      See here for incidences involving your “polite, humane, proffessional people”:
      http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

      No doubt there were many in Germany and Russia who also excused away the early behaviors of Hitler and Stalin.

      • DaveH

        And Charlie,
        I would be glad to have all the policemen turn in their badges and provide my own defense. At least then, I would know anybody breaking in my house was fair game and I wouldn’t have to worry about the Biggest Gang in the land coming after me relentlessly until I was dead.

        • Old Henry

          DaveH:

          ANYBODY breaking into your house is FAIR GAME – no matter who they are. Breaking and entering is breaking and entering, no mater the culprit(s). You hear glass / door break you shoot first and then ask questions. Protect your castle, prevent yourself from becoming a victim.

          • DaveH

            You missed my point, Henry. Do you think it is not a deterrent to protecting yourself, if you know that those breaking down your door might be the Biggest Gang in the land?

      • DaveH

        I should add that I’m a meticulously moral person, yet in my lifetime I’ve been harassed unduly 3 times by police officers, and only twice by illegal perps.

      • LTC_Ray_Burke

        All things considered, armed government agents of every stripe are potentially dangerous, even deadly. My best advice for the public at large is to avoid all contact with these people and, if unavoidable, proceed with extreme caution. Your very life may depend on it.

    • ArkansasRebel

      Charles, I don’t doubt your sincerity but on the street the reality is different. What the police, and probably also you, feel is permissive is often excessive. When police are subduing someone & force one onto the ground, grinding their face into the grass, ground or pavement, while forcing their arms upward behind their back in an unnatural position, it is natural to resist the pain of having your shoulders forced out of their sockets or muscles stretched beyond endurance. And what results when the subject resists the pain? Police become more aggressive & insist he or she stop “resisting”. Whatever you want to call it, it is still excessive. Police training seems to breed “Rambos” anymore. I am a law abiding citizen, 71 years old, and grew up respecting police officers. I wish I could still say I do & I wish I could still encourage others to do so. I used to think when someone complained of police abuse that they were either wrong or had deserved it. Not anymore.
      Sadly, any good, well meaning officers, such as yourself will get lumped into the same group the article just outlined. Maybe it’s time for those good officers, like yourself, to speak up when you see the abuse of police authority. And I cannot believe you have not seen it happen & have seen it happen often.

      • Zero

        @arkansasrebel. Said it exactly the way I would say it. I’m 69 and I remember the police the same way. (not that I had personal experience ) but if the police had a warrant for you they would come and knock on the door, serve the warrant and ask you to come with them.
        From what I hear on the streets, when tshtf it’s gonna get real ugly and nasty. Oh…the cops will attempt to do their “master’s” bidding and suppress all of us “rebels” but, just do the math, they are way, way outnumbered and equally matched with firepower.
        So, I say, come git some while I’m still young enough to enjoy it!

        • LTC_Ray_Burke

          Nicely said, Zero !!! Although I’m not far from 90 years old I can still pull a trigger. Old guys are dangerous when they decide to be !!!

      • FRANK DECOLA

        You so right. I am 65 and I still have this incident in my mind back in the sixty behind a Walgr. store in Indiana 3 police officer kicking and pounding on this old vagrant that was not doing anything offensive. And it has since been with me as teenager it has destroyed my perception of them.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      My father was a law enforcement officer, and he agrees with Bob. The war on drugs is a waste of money and militarizes our local police departments to some degree. For you to dispute this fact is and exercise if futility. If you choose the wrong side, you may be sorry some day.

    • Mark Are

      We don’t need you or your ilk. Nice guys or not. I live in a town that supposedly has 12,000 residents. Including the surrounding area, an estimated 80,000+. There are about 3 police officers patrolling the streets of that town at any given time. If people were so prone to be the way you describe, what would it take for a few of us to take out the police and rob, rape and pillage? Fact is, we need PRIVATE security companies that we VOLUNTARILY contract with to take care of our “policing” needs. We don’t need “Law enforcement” that ignore their oath of office and arrest people who violate laws against non violent behavior. For instance, Charles, I REFUSE to go to some MAN and ask PERMISSION to carry a firearm and pay a FEE TO SOMEONE so I can get a PERMIT. So I am violating the “law”, which by the way violates the SECOND AMENDMENT. Which one are you going to obey? Would you ARREST ME for violating the law that violates the 2nd amendment or would you ignore the law? That, my friend is the problem. WE THE PEOPLE look at all of you and your ilk as a threat to our very liberty because you will “nicely” ENFORCE these asinine laws on us.

      • mike1127

        Well said!

      • John

        That works fine in some parts of the country, but in others the only gun you could obtain is a gun bought on the street, and who knows what poor devil got killed with it…and thus when they arrest you and find the gun you may end up in the chair for a killing you never did.

      • John Hand

        ‘Private’ security companies? Do you feel safe with these untrained and unqualified rent-a-cops?

    • Charlie Tall

      “If each and every police officer in America turned in his, or her, badge and gun, you probably wouldn’t have time to write such specious articles as you would be too busy defending yourself against the predators that would inevitably be prowling our streets.”

      Actually, that wouldn’t be so bad because then the law abiding but armed citizens could take care of crime themselves without the “let-the-police-do-it” crowd protecting the criminals.

      Remember this: A criminal loose on the streets costs the society about $50,000 per year, much more if that criminal is violent. If he’s caught and tried, the average circuit court trial costs more than $10,000. Incarceration is on the order of $35,000 or more per year. Then there’s all the expense of appeals, the parole process, and rehabilitation. However, if the SOB is shot and killed by an armed citizen the cost to society is around $501: $500 for the autopsy and burial; $1 for the bullet. Much less if the armed citizen owns a shovel and does the interment himself.

      What a bargain!

      If given the choice, I’d vote for no cops, no FBI, no DEA, no LEOs at all right this minute, and save the expense of so-called “law-enforcement” for the simple reason that most cops prefer to enforce the wrong laws or simply ones they makeup on the spot.

    • Old Henry

      Charles:

      I have not seen any of what Bob wrote about and posted links, but I live in “Tooterville” and personally know several deputies. You are correct in what you say about most police, but given the fact that you have been a law officer for a quarter of a century would indicate that you come from a different time when, as Flashy posted, Officer Bob would visit the local schools and talk to the kids.

      Charles, as Bob stated, the police have become militarized and now have a completely different mindset.

      In a town of about 15,000 near me a recent incident brings to lite how systemic this has become. There were 3 guys fishing under a bridge in the center of town and one had just purchased a new rifle. He got it out of his trunk, took it back to the river to show his buddies while they fished. Some Obama-eyed nit wit called 911 and, poof, there were a swarm of cops with automatic weapons terrorizing these 3 fishermen.

      All that needed to be done was one officer respond, walk down to the river and inquire as to what was going on and politely ask the guy to put the rifle back into his car – after admiring the new rifle.

      Or, better yet the nit wit citizen should have minded their own business.

    • JUKEBOX

      Charles, in many cases, the main function of the police is to write up a report on a crime and investigate it, AFTER the fact.

    • patty

      Charles, in your heart of hearts I think you truely believe that, but the truth of the matter is, is that most police officers are former vets. In the armed forces you are geared to take orders and not ask questions. When I talk to now retired police officers and ask them what they fear the most, their reply is “our government”. These people were also trained as first responders for catastrophic instances. There is a reason why the major highways circle the cities in tiers.

    • mike1127

      Bull. If every cop disappeared right now, every American would be allowed to defend themselves. Look at the statistics. Every town that eased restrictions on gun ownership, or required it, has seen a drastic decrease in crime. When Kennesaw, Georgia required all homeowners to have at least one gun in the home, crime dropped to about zero overnight.

      If a criminal knows that a homeowner will probably shoot him dead, then he will not break in. If a criminal knows the homeowner will call the cops, he will break in. When seconds count, cops are only minutes away.

      The vast majority of cops I have seen are just like the one in the above video. Most of them are not “serving” out of a sense of duty; they are legally being the bullies that they have always been. They get off on it.

      If you are truly serving out of a sense of duty, then you have my respect and my apologies. I do believe that the odds are on my side, though. You cops will not listen to anything that you don’t want to hear. You are all too quick to shoot, and cover it up later. I personally think it’s fishy when someone actually WANTS to be a cop. I have enough drama in my own life that I don’t need to go out looking for other peoples’. I strongly suspect that most cops are closet sociopaths that love the petty power they possess over the average citizen.

      I sincerely hope that you are a member of OathKeepers, and if not, why not? Remember, you took an oath to defend the Laws and the Constitution from ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC. Isn’t it funny how similar the police oath is to the military’s? Sometimes that includes your superiors. Would you fire on an unarmed crowd of civilians?

      Again, if you truly serve out of a misplaced sense of duty, then you have my respect and apologies. Your service, I think, would be better used as a fireman or EMT than as a hired governmental thug.

    • Marty S.

      Officer Hunt:

      My experience with the police officers in the area I live has been mostly positive. One of my sons used to get into a lot of trouble and it would involve police response. They were usually very professional in handling the situation and were good at talking some sense into him. As you stated it only takes a few to screw it up for the rest which is typical for any field. I think Mr. Livingston’s point is to keep us aware of our rights as citizens and to help inform those police departments and individual officers who may be under pressure to apply abusive tactics or use excessive force should evaluate if they are being manipulated by the powers that be for less than honorable motives. Without a just and well informed police force social chaos would reign all too quickly so keep up the good work.

    • ScottieG not a fan

      Charles,

      Well said. The media continues to hammer this profession. In my experience it is the Police administration (Chief, Deputy Chiefs) that is corrupt, not typically the working Officers that have to deal with the public. I applaud those that do this difficult work.

      While the media continues its lack of facts when they show these videos or report on an incident they rarely show or report on the human side of these officers. And those officers killed or maimed get very little coverage. The criminal appears to get a lot of coverage. Even worse they report on the safest items and proceed to inform the public how to make them unsafe. The media is filled with wingnuts that the public believe in. What the media states must be gospel, in their minds.

      Yes, there are many not fit to wear the uniform but that holds true in any field. Sadly those officers are armed.

      Firemen. Now that is one profession that gets next to no negative press. Dangerous? Absolutely but I still think a Police Officer is more at risk.

    • Rudy

      Charles,
      I agree with you that most police officers are professional. However, the are too may that are not. The real problem is that even when unprofessional behavior surfaces, the “blue line” forms to defend them no matter what, leaving them on the street with a badge and a gun.

      It is this inability to “police yourselves” that is giving a bad reputation that is broadly applied. This change needs to come from the inside of police forces, and until it does, the perceptions of this article will continue.

    • Bono

      You are absolutely right. Dedication is more than just a word to most police officers. The militarization which has occured is part and partial, a sign of the times as crime has tended to become more violent and requires equal force to fight the growing violence.
      The border is an example where violence has been left unchecked and violence has grown beyond proportion. Our city streets share this kind of decay.
      Few enter law enforcement for thanks, but do it to serve their community and their nation.

  • Son kidnapped home invaded

    Last night my home was invaded by 3 Suffolk County Police officers. This was done in spite of a sole custody agreement that I have had since 2001 and it was done to assist my forme spouse in federal income tax fraud and tax evasion. My ex has been a dead beat Dad. Who is allowed by Suffolk County NY to write his own court orders, police reports etc.Not a court employee.The IRS has caught on to his having been claiming myself and our son as exemptins for the past 12 years. He does not support us. This week he forced our son out of my house brought him to his residence. Where he resides with his 2nd wife by bigamy.When my son came home. The 3 SCPD officers invaded my home forced him into their car and elivered him to his DEADBEAT Dad. who was waiting around the corner.This was witnessed by my neighbors and my two tenants.

    • Karolyn

      I hope you have a voice. Contact your state Attorney General immediately! Go to your local newspaper! Light a fire under your attorney! Be a voice for the many who suffer as you do! We can’t let people walk all over us.

      • DaveH

        Probably the best thing she can do is make that information public as soon as possible, but I would be leery of the local paper if the husband has that kind of power.

        • JUKEBOX

          There are too many corrupt judges throughout our courts today to give honest and fair protection to honest citizens.

  • Dwight Mann

    It is up to the citizens of the greatest nation on earth to defend its liberties. It is just a part of the NWO, UN, agenda 21 implementation.
    Get the US out of the UN, and the UN out of the US.
    I am tired of these global idiots that want to destroy us. . .

    • ekim

      Dwight, thanks for keeping your eye on the ball ! Much of this problem is being created by the bleeding hearts who blame ” law enforcement ” for the escalation in this situation when, generally, it is the perpetrator who causes the escalation.
      Officers are not out looking for someone to pick on !

      • gene

        want to bet on that, my son was pulled over because someone reported him drunk driving, 3 officers pulled him over and gave him the breath test 3 times and it came up 0, one of the officers ask the others if there was something else they could get him on, since there was nothing else they followed him the rest of the evening and told him over the car speaker to go home, this follow for several weeks and was finally arrested on lies and there were 5 witnesses and they were all swept under the rug, never will I ever trust another cop period, they are all crooked

        • Karolyn

          It’s all in who you know in a small town. My supervisor’s kids have gotten hassled by the cops, but since the chief knows her, nothing ever comes of it.

      • mike1127

        You are so wrong. All a “perp” has to do to escalate the situation is breathe wrong. If he were to sneeze, he would probably get a broken rib or three. The police now are a far cry from the ones most of us on here grew up with. I trust a cop about as far as I can spit a dead bull.

    • ekim

      The NWO takes this situation and uses it to turn the opinion of good people to their way of thinking as if they are going to protect the everyday citizen better than those who have taken on that ” highly provocative career ” ! That is not so !

    • DaveH

      NWO or not, get US out of the UN! They are working hard to take away our Sovereignty.

      • mike1127

        Agreed. We don’t need to be in any group that so obviously hates our way of life. The U.N. is doing its best to destroy America, and a lot of our bought-off politicians (Hillary, Obama, et. al.) are helping them do so.

  • big wyo

    Where in wyoming??? I will check it out and let you know.

  • TOCB

    When conservatives begin to complain about police brutality, there is a real problem. Of course, to soome of us this is nothing new.

  • NC

    Bob. I worked with police officers for 35 years and I didn’t see any higher percentage of “bad people” than I would expect to see at a Conservative peoples’ convention of the same number of people!

    What would be interesting to see is YOUR idea of what a police force should look like as to personel and weapons for a city of 100,000 people.Or would you not have a police force at all?

    The larger the population grows, especially in the cities, the more officers we will need but like every other group of people, more bad officers will be included. Just like the military or an office force!

    • gene

      I call them a necessary evil

    • http:bobstrut.blogspot.com Bob Knows

      It is not a few “bad” pigs. It is the whole police state terrorist job of “keeping control” of the people who’s ancestors once were free men. The blue gun thug gangs are the problem, not the solution.

    • ekim

      Thanks NC ! I think Bob missed something on this one ! There are 2 sides to this debate and both must be represented here! By not doing so we run the risk of losing the very protection, through the law, we require !

      • CSS

        The ‘law’ is not here to help the people – it was created by the criminal elite to protect their best interests which is complete power and control over the people. I could tell you some stories about crooked cops, and corrupt judges that protect them, that would make your heads spin. One judge once stated that police officers are required to lie under oath, and most of them do.

        Charles, if you are for the citizens, then myself as an American citizen am requesting that you begin arresting treasonous tyrants beginning at the local level. Let freedon and liberty reign and maybe human beings won’t have to worry about being put into FEMA camps because we’ll keep them open for the real criminals – tyrants who have invaded our government.

    • DaveH

      Funny that when I was a teen, the police were greatly constrained compared to today. And things were just fine then.
      Lew Rockwell’s take on things:
      http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=106

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Lew Rockwell is a loon.

        • DaveH

          You’re a Loon, Crony Capitalist.

        • DaveH

          Principled men do tend to sound like “loons” to those whose Principles bend to suit their personal gains.

    • Mark Are

      In the past police officers carried 6 shot revolvers in cities with 100,000. So why all of a sudden do they need armored personal carriers, machine guns, tasers and all kinds of other horse crap killing and torturing devices. WE NEED VOLUNTARY SECURITY COMPANIES TO CONTRACT with. We don’t need government controlled goons to do our policing. Recently I saw a PARK RANGER that had a Glock, 4 spare magazines, a taser, as well as who knows what else in his SUV. WHY? FOR WHAT? Those bad assed chipmunks? Give them those “toys” and they will look for reasons to use it.

      • patty

        Actually, this came about several years ago when in CA there was a bank robbery and the robbers out gunned the cops with automatics (AK47). The cops had to retreat to the local gun store and get weopons to defend themselves. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

      • John Hand

        Private security companies to protect you? Like I said somewhere up above, they are usually untrained and unqualified. I would rather depend on myself if I had to go that route.

    • JUKEBOX

      A lot of unqualified people will be hired due to Federal intervention into the lowering of locally mandated hiring standards for police officers.

      • patty

        And Presidents… :) Affirmative action results.

    • mike1127

      A majority of the laws that the police are enforcing are either stupid or un-Constitutional. The “War on Drugs” is an excellent example. That covers both of those examples. It has clearly failed, and failed badly, yet the police are still required to arrest drug offenders. The resources required for this could be far better utilized in going after murderers, rapists, and other violent offenders. Look at the money and room taken up in our jails and prisons by a bunch of hippies. It’s ridiculous. As long as cigarettes and alcohol can be sold, we should be able to buy marijuana. Just taking the potheads out of the system would free up a vast amount of resources needed to fight real crimes.

  • Jack Powers

    The sooner we all rise up, in mass, and pack millions inside the D.C. Beltway, the better off we are going to be! I’ve been argueing this for quite a few years now. WE THE PEOPLE have no choice but to strike first and strike hard enough to remove the sitting marxists and criminals from our government buildings with “hands on force.” These scumbag-elitists must be held for adjudication, and in many cases “dangle” for their crimes against the American People and The U.S. Constitution. The Federal government is moving quickly to absolutely negate the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. WE are beyond the 11th hour and time is quickly slipping through our fingers. Believe in what you see here in print. Those FEMA Camps are being stocked and manned for citizens like you and ME. I’ll choose to stand, fight, and die for the principles upon which this country was founded!
    Jack Powers for,
    The Sons Of Liberty

    • Brian

      the sitting marxists and scumbag-elitists” you speak of ARE NOT the police. Most of us are with you in your views. It’s has become that the people WE’VE elected are now the ones we should fear. They are the ones committing crimes against the American People and The U.S. Constitution, & are working together to negate the 2nd Amendment, NOT the police. The average police officer will be home protecting his or her family when the sh— starts. It’s the government troops that are being brainwashed and trained by the U.N. that we need to worry about.

      • Mark Are

        Yes, it is the POLICE. THEY ENFORCE THE LAWS FOR THE MARXIST SCUMBAGS and violate their oaths of office on a daily basis. The PROTECT AND SERVE their masters…the STATE. All that is left at this point is bad cops. No good cop would want the job any more. PERIOD.

        • John Hand

          Careful Mark oh radicalized one. There are a lot of good cops out there.

          • Marty S.

            Mark check my comments above to Officer Hunt.

      • JUKEBOX

        At the risk of being redundant, it is the career bureaucrats that are dictating new policies and laws to many of our newly elected politicians, who have every intention of improving things.

    • ekim

      Hi Jack, I understand why you are frustrated with the status quo, there seems to be no end in sight for the ridiculous and SHAMEFUL unraveling of OUR CONSTITUION ! The ” SILENT MAJORITY ” is waking and has begun to engage in the RHETORICAL BATTLE for center stage, the lines are being drawn as we breath ! The coming election will be the reconing that will prove, ” without a doubt “, that AMERICAN PATRIOTS have either lost the ” war of words ” and must suspend civil verbage and personally deliver the message on a daily basis to the root of the problem that you so eloquently outlined above !

  • gene

    not only the police but it goes all the way up to the district attoneys and the judges, they can not be trusted anymore

    • ekim

      Hi Gene, these officers are merely doing a job ! You hit on the problem, but it is truly much deeper and goes much higher in the ” government of the people ” !

      • Mark Are

        yeah, and the GESTAPO was only doing their job too. Sorry, I didn’t mean to shoot your husband mam. I was only doing my job. Moron.

      • JUKEBOX

        I have personal knowledge of corrupt DA’s and judges doing illegal things because of family ties and/or payoffs.

  • tim

    I used to get pissed off when people called the police pigs. Most of them are worthy of that name now. Here in las vegas nevada you have a choice of cooperating very rapidly or being shot. Most of the time they skip the tasering…They go to court and lie about the situations and then thier sherriff will say they are investigating the coroners report and what the officer said. What’s with that gillespie, you said that on the news a year or more ago!! Just ask the officer that shot trevon cole. He’s still on the streets looking for his next victim!!!

    • ekim

      WHOA ! Slow down Tim ! Like you,I too was taken aback by the 60′s jargon calling our protectors ” PIGS “, but I am holding out hope that our society has not completely lost touch with reality and has an idea that they are no longer needed. NOT SO ! They are needed NOW more than any time in our history ! We are being invaded and much of the clamor for reduced enforcementcomes from the very individuals who ARE THE PROBLEM !
      Take heart in the fact that if things continue in this direction you may get a look at why we need them, FIRST HAND !

      • hipshotpercusion

        Ekim, they are not our protectors. It went all the way to the Supreme court who established that they the Police are under no obligation to protect anyone. I am licensed by the State of Florida to carry a concealed weapon, not just a gun. i provide my own protection. As the old question gos.”Call for a Cop, call for an Ambulance, or call for a Pizza. See who shows up first.”

        • Capitalist at Birth

          The pizza would get my bet.

        • JUKEBOX

          When I went to my local courthouse, and almost had to undress to enter, I was told “IT’S FOR YOUR PROTECTION, SIR”. He was not too happy when I told him to worry about his safety, and I would worry about mine.

      • NC

        Ekim, a lot more level headed citizens still respect the police than the right wing rambos who write here! These are the people you see on “JAIL” who mouth off to the police and get put down by the enforecement officers. You will notice that those officers don’t go out looking for the dumb butts! All they have to do is hang around the station and wait for the “bad a$$es” to be brought to them!!They show up everytime with right wing written all over them!!

        There are a lot of people in this country who worry every day about their loved ones out trying to protect us from people with guns who don’t have enough sense to own a slingshot!

  • cawmun cents

    Once awhile back in my neighborhood,a little old man perhaps ninety years old was cleaning his .22cal rifle on his front porch.A paranoid local woman called the police saying a madman was loose with a gun.
    The SWAT team arrived with twelve units and a helicopter,cordoning off the area in a two block radius.My children and I watched from the bay window of our breakfast nook as the members of the Sheriffs Department deployed to reconnoiter the situation.One member of the SWAT team was climbing on our fence to gain access to the neighbors yard,and slipped off tearing his pants open,revealing his undergarments,causing myself and children to laugh uproarously.He then,ignoring us as we came out to the front porch laughing to see if there would be further hilarity,climbed up on the neighbors roof to get a birds eye view of the supposed”madman”.There he was,posterior hanging out,dressed in body armor with his AR-15 at the ready,when he noticed the man sitting in his yard calmly cleaning his gun,and the knowledge that everything was as it should be,overtook him.The whole affair was a testament to the paranoia of delusional thinking to which our citizens have been exposed.
    I realize that some of you out there in your own minds will ask the question,”well what if it WAS a madman?”
    The answer to that is that a madman does things which reveal his madness,like shooting at others for instance.
    I must very brazenly state to you paranoid delusionals out there,that the police cannot protect you from madmen or lunatics.Their service is limited to arresting an alleged perpetrator,often after a crime has already been committed.The protection is only implied through presence,and not to be confused with actual protection,which the citizen is required by wisdom to supplly for him/herself.

    • DaveH

      Very good, Cawmun.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      I don’t think it is advisable to clean your weapons on you front porch in the first place. Do you?

      • Mark Are

        Why not? What kind of violent activity is that? No, I think he should cower in a corner of his basement while he cleans his .22. After all, he should realize that he is putting himself at risk by cleaning the gun on his porch. Risk of being shot 60 times for his heinous act. Why did you even say that?

      • patty

        I would not publically clean my gun because I don’t want anyone to know I have one or more……or any…..

      • Antonio

        Why can someone not clean their weapons or anything on their front porch or back porch or side porch??? They bought their house didn’t they? That “porch” came with that house didn’t it? They pay their annual UNCONSTITUTIONAL taxes on the property that the porch is on, right? So why the —- can’t they do whatever they want to do on their damn porch man??

  • http:bobstrut.blogspot.com Bob Knows

    Your local police are and always have been the enforcement arm of Progressive police state control of men who once were free. They were created during the Progressive revolution, and have become more and more violent as the government takes more and more control of our lives. Their existence is the antithesis of free men. No Conservative should ever support Police State Tyranny.

    • ekim

      Hi BK, I submit that no one here is supporting POLICE STATE TYRANNY, who would do that ! Perhaps those who would benefit from the growing diselusional idea that a police force is detrimental to the community would gladly return to the days of the old west, simply because many, like you evidently, have not visited historical reality and discovered the TRUE reasons for the necessity of LAW ENFORCEMENT and accountability for personal actions.
      Thanks for your participation in this discussion and please take thim to rethink your indifference to LAW ENFORCEMENT ! BE PREPARED to GET INVOLVED !

      • DaveH

        We could contract our security to private firms (as many already do), or provide our own. It would be our choice, and it would most likely be more efficient and cost-effective as things usually are in the Private Sector compared to the Public Sector.
        More from Lew Rockwell:
        http://mises.org/daily/2560

        • John

          Only one short coming, a private security corporation does NOT swear an oat to the constitution nor do they have to follow it if they don’t want. In fact, after a while and after they have tasted the power they will give a rats arse about it and thus you would slip from one extreme into the other… who protects you from the thugs of the private security corporations? Especially after they are around for a while and all report to the same owner in a monopoly? Corruption will rampant… just as it is now.

          • DaveH

            Oh come on, John, since when has swearing an oath to the Constitution kept Government officials from doing as they damn-well-please?
            The difference with private security firms is that they lose their jobs if they don’t make the effort. And if they abuse people they don’t have the Biggest Gang in the land to back them up.
            You should read this:
            http://mises.org/journals/scholar/Hoppe.pdf

  • Brian

    Being a police officer for over 17 years I can tell you that these are isolated incidents. I do believe that the younger officers are more likely to have the “how dare you” attitude, but this is not the case for all of us. The overwhelming majority are pro-freedom and side with the general public. The problems we all have is with the current president and his administration who HATE the fact that we are all free and are doing everything they can to take those freedoms. The police are still there to help and it’s a thankless job.

    • NC

      Brian, I must have the worst case of BO in the world! Not one of Obamas “freedom hating police” have come knocking at my door. H*ll, they haven’t even called me on the phone. No police squads or Army trucks running up and down my street with loud speakers DEMANDING that I show up for deportation to some camp!Have you seen any? I’m feeling left out of all the evidence that our country is in such great peril that we need a revolution. Where would you guys who feel so “threatened” by the government suggest that I move to so that I can feel “threatened” too! I will even change soap to be one of the “threatened”!! Paranoia can be treated!!!

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Coming soon to a theater near you. Just wait. If Obama is re-elected, I would not be surprised to see the FEMA camps put to use.

      • DaveH

        When they do, it will be too late to stop it.

      • DaveH

        NC says — “Paranoia can be treated!!!”.
        So can Ignorance, but you have to want to treat it.

        • JUKEBOX

          Ignorance and Stupidity both need to be physically painful.

    • eddie47d

      This problem of police power has been around for decades yet it has become worse since the Patriot Act was initiated. We are now guiltier upfront than we were even a few years ago. Now they have these laws that can strip you of your rights without you even knowing it so just wait until the next faze kicks in under NDAA.The police are generally immune to prosecution and even when charged with misconduct they are mostly reinstated.

      • JeffH

        Welcome to the paranoid world of the progressives.

        • JeffH

          FYI eddie, I’m not disagreeing with you…I’m saying that this is the kind of world and the government the “progressive mentality” is supporting.

        • eddie47d

          I would lay it all at the feet of anyone who wants to control the movement of others and the civil rights of others. Whether Conservative or Progressive.

          • JeffH

            Fortunately, the conservative agenda is all about small government, lower taxes, freedom & liberty…unlike the Big Government, nanny state ever controlling progressive agenda.

      • ScottieG not a fan

        Not true. The media has brought police brutality to the public. Now officers are trained to handle many issues, not just SWAT. In the past brutality was much, much worse. Now younger officers enter full of piss and vinegar and they are more aggressive than the seasoned officers on the force.

        Police brutality has actually decreased. Officers are mostly held accountable unless they fall into a protective class. However, incidents of brutality are isolated.

        The media is so far to the left they have no problem reporting with little facts, without the facts or twisting the facts. Once aired the incident goes viral and the incident is in the court of the public.

        The media promotes fear in the public. And as seen here the majority believes what they see and read in the papers, never asking what the real story is or the background of the incident.

    • ekim

      NOT SO Brian! WE THE PEOPLE may not tell you every day, THANK YOU, but most of us know what it is to deal with the public ! You and I, evidently, have the same values required of PATRIOTS who believe in the FRAMERS of our society, that man can GOVERN HIMSELF ! Sometimes he needs a nittle push in the right direction ! It is too bad that there are those who continue to increasingly intend to precariously control the rest of us through unconstitutional legislation ! THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL !
      Thanks, and keep your chin up ! The ” Silent Majority ” are with you 99% !

      • patty

        Ekim and Brian – I agree. What I see more are the loony’s living in your neighborhoods that call the police and they are just following up on the call. I had (yes, had, funny what writing to all of your neighbors and telling them it is a good time to sell with a list of realtors can do)a few of them in the neighborhood and the police have been very polite to me, even though I was not very polite to them. What bothers me is that when I ask who complained, they will not give me their name. When I go to the station to get the report, they black out the name. I thought I had a right to know who my accuser was. I was planning to take legal action against them. Most of the posts here about bad cops came from bad neighbors who called in. Just because the neighbors think the Hells Angels moved into your quiet little up scale cul de sac, you should have checked the neighborhood out better because I have lived here longer than any of them. And ya, I ride a bike. Doesn’t mean I belong to a biker gang. Actually, I have ridden with the local City Heat. A police bike organization.

    • DaveH

      Isolated? It depends on what your definition of “isolated” is:
      http://reason.org/news/printer/45-swat-raids-per-day

    • Mark Are

      So, Brian…let me ask you. WOULD YOU ARREST ME for carrying a concealed firearm without a permit??

    • John

      Wrong Brian, It is not isolated. today’s police officers are on a power trip and will do anything to get the rush of power….and they don’t care about the citizens.

  • Karolyn

    This is still weird and happened last week. I can’t see any posts until I post something.

    • http://www.personalliberty.com/contact-us/ Personal Liberty Support

      We are looking into this situation. Also, we are making some upgrades this week, so you may see a glitch or two along the way, especially later this week. Hopefully, all of these issues will be resolved by this time next week.
      Thanks for your patience.

    • JeffH

      K, I went through the same thing last week…when I would post a comment all was fine but if I left the site and returned my initial posts wouldn’t show up until I made another post, then voilà…seems all is well for me now. Figured it to be a “glitch”.

      • JeffH

        K…forgot to mention, I had to re-enter all of my info each time also. As I said, all seems to be well now.

  • nick beck

    if the population stands by and lets the turncoat politicos take away the second adm. —they deserve the consequences. the bottom line is – WE DO OUTNUMBER THEM AND WE DO OUT GUN THEM at some point in the future [ and i hope it never comes to that ] the only thing we need are the guts to act.

    • ekim

      Nick, we are currently giving voice to this dis-satisfaction with the status quo created by the elites in DC ! Please feel free to continue participating here and thanks for your input !
      I would also invite you to join those who are taking the PEOPLES VOICE to DC, pick ANY of the organizations who truly care about LIBERTY and the advancement of FREEDOM and JOIN them !

  • http://N/A SSG. LASSITER-RVN-’66-’70

    NO WAY IN HELL WILL MY GENERATION OF VETERANS & CIVILLIANS ALLOW THE DAMN POLICE OR GOVERNMENT TO TAKE OUR FREEDOMS & LIBERTIES. THERE WILL BE CIVIL WAR! BEFORE “WE” LET THAT HAPPEN. “WE” OUTNUMBER THE BASTARDS AND DO NOT FEAR THEM AND “WE” ARE 80% VETERANS WITH FULL KNOWLEDGE OF MILITARY TACTICS. “WE” WILL WAGE A GUREILLA WAR YOU CAN’T EVEN IMAGINE. LET’S “PARTY”.

    • ekim

      You tell ‘em Sarge, it will come with sussession and escalate from there !
      ” Yes, we will gather at the river “, will never have been more true in our lifetime !

    • Kevin

      I believe that the military and law enforcement will stand by the Constitution and not attack the American citizens and lock them into camps.
      I believe that is what Obama believes as well. Why, because he had wanted a force of 2.5 million volunteers with military and police powers.

      I have heard that there are dozens of Islamic terrorist traing camps in the US. Is this the intended targets for these militarized police?

      • patty

        Those camps are here because Obama refuses to protect our borders and gives them weapons through ‘fast and furious’. It is not just Mexicans coming over our borders and this includes Canada.

  • Greg

    Ive seen enough and I am fully convinced that we will lose all of our freedom.
    I have a feeling that no matter who becomes president this year we will lose as a country.
    The second ammendment will free us if we need to use it. We the common free citizens need to
    organize and prepare. A revolution is coming and we will need to be prepared. I just hope that people get
    their heads out of the sand sooner than later.

    • gene

      there is one, his name is Ron Paul, I think he is all american

    • ekim

      Worry NOT about those who can think !
      WORRY only about those FEW anarchists and COMMIES !
      Who drive the engines of the youngsters to their own demise !
      They will not SWAY TRUE PATRIOTS !
      WE KNOW THE TRUTH !

  • gene

    I have written this many times in comments, in southern California many years ago a questionare was given out to military personal and one of the questions was if ordered to do so can you turn your weapon on the civilian populous, it is coming

    • patty

      That questionaire was not just in CA. Believe me.

  • Eric Bischoff

    The Police work for the 1%.

    • icetrout

      Police & military are just a very thin Black & Blue Line.The hordes will overwhelm them in the 1st hour.

      • ekim

        Whoa Ice, that will not be necessary ! You will find that those you think are the enemy are FAR rfom it ! Do you think these folks, and that is what they are, FOLKS, have their eyes and ears closed to what is taking place ? NO, they know who is paying their salary !
        We must know HOW and WHO to blame for this MIS-CARRIAGE of government and lay that BLAME in a lawful way at the doorstep of the culprit !

    • DaveH
      • Eric Bischoff

        DaveH and where might I ask did you get that thought? It doesn’t seem to matter where I stand on anything you can always be counted on to negate any thought or idea I put forth even when we are in agreement. What’s that about?

        • DaveH

          Are you no longer a Big Government loving Progressive, Eric?

    • ekim

      WHOA Eric, YOU and I pay the police ! WE are the government, NEVER FORGET THAT ! We have been complacent and allowed this politically correctness to flourish, SHAME on those who have taken advantage of the busy lifestyles that have kept us quite ! NOW, shame on US if we do nothing, knowing the outcome of complacency ! ENGAGE the problem where you stand, take it to the root cause, and educate your family and neighbors in the history of PATRIOTS who HAVE and WILL die for LIBERTY and FREEDOM !

    • Mark Are
    • JeffH

      Another brilliant comment from the self proclaimed progressive known as “Eric the Red”! Just as Ron White said, you can’d be fixed!

      • Eric Bischoff

        OK Jeff then explain to me why the police are brutalizing Veterans who dare to demonstrate and complain about our government and their lack of fairness. Who are they cracking heads for? I know that in NY, they are doing it for Bloomberg the billionaire and his wealthy buddies on Wall St. They are not protecting and serving the 99%.

        • JeffH

          Eric the Red, for your info and mine…who are the 99% and don’t try to insult me by saying it’s the OWS protesters because they might represent even less than 1%…it’s just another progressive slogan…you, being the hard core progressive that you are, may buy into and believe that crap, but I don’t.

  • icetrout

    Time to step into the 21st century & arm yourself with a weapons upgrade. :)

  • http://none Elz

    Police have a dificult job, sometimes impossible to get right. But I must say, yes, the police are becoming almost a military outfit, yet to deal with some of these ass—- they have to deal with, you need to be militarized to a great degree. Lawyers are the worst of all offenders. In our town, we had a 12 year old kid steal a car, and try to outrun the police. During the race, the kid wrecked and took off on foot, and was armed. While going over a fnce in someone’s yard, a gun went off. The officer while chasing the kid returned fire and killed the kid. The kid was adult-sized, so the officer had no idea he was dealing with a twelve year old kid. The dope-dealing parent of the 12 year old sued the police dept. Guess what, he got 12 million dollars. Has been in jail numerous times since then for drug dealing. Only in this country can slime like this have children living on welfare and dealing drugs pull off a stunt like this. The cops are as they are to protect themselves from scum at all levels. We simply have too many low-life lawyers.

  • Patriot II

    It’s the UNIONS (the Mob, same thing),that are to blame, No accountability because they can’t be fired, but this is all a symptom of disobedience to God. Judgment is coming as a “Thief in the Night”
    Praise be to the Lord Jesus Christ!

    • Thinking About

      It’s thugs who rather climb a tree and tell a lie than to stay on the ground and tell the truth. You don’t know what you are talking about. It’s the thugs living next to me with 3 AK47′s who is part of the problem. Thugs who group together and fed off the same corrupt food because it sounds good at the moment. Does any of them have realist answers and solutions, doubt it.

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.-Thomas Jefferson
     

    Most bad government has grown out of too much government.-Thomas Jefferson

  • 42 model

    I am ignorant of this thing you are calling Fema Camps. Can any one tell me what you are talking about?

    • DaveH
    • Karolyn

      Take it all with a grain of salt 42. I wathed one video that was debunked. It turned out that the “FEMA camp” was a graveyard for old subway cars, turnstiles and other junk. Where else would all that old stuff go but to a junkyard?

      • JeffH

        Korolyn, of course you wouldn’t see these types of things coming and only see it through your “rose” colored glasses. Someday it’ll be too late.
        http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Article/101545-2011-12-17-confirmed-freedom-loving-americans-headed-to-fema-camps.htm?From=News

      • Thinking About

        I also went to the infowars site and thought I was in the check out line reading rags headlines. I wonder if the readers took the time to go and read 2009 HR 645 and see what the bill stated.

        • DaveH

          Alex Jones says a lot of scary things to those who have been brainwashed into apathetic stupors. I can’t say that all he states is true, because I simply don’t know, but I sure wouldn’t dismiss it out of hand because he has broken a lot of stories way ahead of the public finally catching on.
          If you want to get a real eye-opener, TA, pick up a copy of “The Real Lincoln” or “Lincoln Unmasked” both by Thomas DiLorenzo. I got mine from the Library. If that doesn’t awaken you to the reality of how much we’ve all been severely propagandized to believe in Big Government, then I guess you’re a hopeless case.

  • Mark Are

    At one time police officers were trained to be PEACE officers. They were even called PEACE officers. That is the difference between then and now. Today they are law ENFORCEMENT officers. Just the name reeks of power and piety. And the type of people who were PEACE officers were a lot different then the mentality it takes to be an ENFORCEMENT officer. That is the major difference. One job actually attracted NORMAL people while the other attacks PSYCHOPATHIC personalities. Just look at how they take care of everything. At one time they carried 6 shot revolvers and would knock on the door and ask to talk to you and then politely arrest you if they had a warrant. Today, they use military hardware, and come as execution squads without knocking, shooting first and asking questions later ENFORCING laws that are for non violent actions with EXTREME prejudice. Its SICK.

  • Dagger

    Anarchy is just around the corner !!!

    • NC

      Dagger, “Anarchy is just around the corner.” YOU
      For thousands of citizens in the population of this country this has been the cry for 230 years! Ain’t happened yet and not a real threat now but if it makes you feel better you can yell it all you want under the fist amendment!> Because that Amendment and all the rest are firmly in place is why there is no real threat of anarchy!

      • patty

        NC-You must be too young to have been around in the 60′s.

        • Karolyn

          It wasn’t THAT bad.

        • patty

          I guess that kind of depends on if it was your son or daughter who was killed at Kent State. Or sny of the other riots that went down across this country.

        • NC

          Patty, I’m 76 years old! I was almost around in the 1860s.! I remember that most of those people who were arrested in the war demonstrations had already handcuffed themselves together to resist the police. Would you have left them in the middle of the street or sidewalk where law abiding citizens could not use what they had paid for?
          I’m for public protest as long as it is done in a peaceful manner! That seems to be the way intended by the drafters as interpreted by the US Supreme Court. The manner that police handled the black demostrations in the 60s with water hose, dogs and brute force was so bad it does not even warrant an argument. It was very localized but part of the shameful part of our history!It did not become the norm and the country didn’t erupt in permanent disorder or police control.

          • JeffH

            76? I didn’t know sheep had a lifespan beyond 10 or 12 years…well congrats are in order… :(

          • patty

            NC-That (76) would put you at 1935-36. A far cry from 1860! :) You were born about 2 life times later. People only lived to be 50 back then. We are talking about police over stepping. Shooting students dead is a far cry from arresting them.

  • Michael W. Morgan

    The political system has developed a new aristocracy. The Politicians are the Lairds of the Land, The Federal Workers are the overseers, the citizen is the Serf. It is time for revolution, join the TEA Party while it is still possible to throw the bums out. If we don’t this will be the end of America as we kanow it. Obama and his poiicy makers are the commies of the ’60′s. He MUST be stopped in 2012 and we MUST return the ownership of the country to the people. Vote for the 28th Ammendment and put the politicians in their place…our employees, not our Lairds.

  • patspa

    How do you account for the shooting deaths of three police officers in 3 months (October 2011 through January 2012) in the Augusta, GA/Aiken, SC area? Three WHITE police officers shot dead by three young BLACK men with long, long records of horrific offenses including previous murders…excuse me! I, for one, feel the laws are on the side of the offender, leaving our many honorable police officers defenseless. In every profession there is a percentage of of ne’er do wells who detract from the dedication of the majority. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water!

    • DaveH

      The laws used to be on the side of the accused. Not so much anymore.
      It only makes sense that the Police aren’t they to be Judge, Jury, and Executioner. They are there to Protect society, not Endanger it.
      Innocent until proven guilty?
      http://reason.org/news/printer/injustice-system

      From the interview:
      “Reason: You wrote that the notion of being innocent until proven guilty is “probably the least questioned and most believed government lie.”

      Napolitano: It’s drawn from my professional experience. The defendant is dragged into the courtroom and the jurors assume he’s guilty. Why would the government be wasting our time? When I would charge jurors—explain the law to them—I would insist on saying, “in order for him to be convicted you must be satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty of his guilt.” The state always objected to that phrase (“and to a moral certainty”) until I pulled out the case law by appellate courts saying that it was perfectly appropriate.
      There are some horror stories in my book of people who were punished without trial. In the Herrera case, [defendant Leonel Torres Herrera] was executed, with the state knowing that somebody else had committed the crime. They just didn’t care because he filed his petitions too late. Chief Justice John Roberts, when he was Judge Roberts, was asked at his confirmation hearing, does the Constitution prohibit the execution of the innocent by the state? He paused and said yes. Who could possibly pause? If it prohibits anything it prohibits that.”

  • The Insurgent

    “Minorities have long seen their claims of police brutality dismissed out of hand by white America”. Excuse me but what about “affirmative” (sicccc!) action and its components, including jewstice?
    I am White and I do NOT feel even a bit that I am overwhelming the colored population of America by vicious hate-crimes by Whites. The fact is that the opposite is true. Whites are cornered, harrassed, attacked, robbed, beaten, maimed and murdered in unprecedented numbers by – mostly – black criminals. Complaining about black, or colored crimes will have NO result in the so-called justice system.
    2nd, comparing this (offensive words removed) dictatorship to “Nazi Germany” shows me that many of you still have childish behavior. In Hitler’s Germany this would never happened!
    Of course, my comment waits “moderation” I could override, but what for? It makes me sure that even the so-called ‘free-speech’ is broken into pieces by ‘libertarians’ as well.

    • DaveH

      Your Free Speech ends where Bob Livingston’s property begins. He has made it very clear in his comment policy — “we will not tolerate racism, profanity or slanderous comments toward the author(s) or comment participants”.

      • JeffH

        That’s correct DaveH…and “The Insurgent” continuously violated this board with foul language and racist remarks.

        • professor

          I am extremely “turned off” when I hear a person accusing someone of being “racist” or accuses someone of making “racist remarks!” It is manipulative and stifles free people from expressing their own opinions!

          BTW, it is not “racist” to state the “truth” or the truth as one perceives it! Political correctness has ruined this country! PC is an important “tool” of the radical-Left. Those that “play into this PC garbage” are just as bad as the progressives.

          • DaveH

            I believe Jeff, professor. Even the comment we addressed was borderline racist. However, I have no recollection of past ‘insurgent’ comments, so I defer to Jeff’s good judgement.

        • JeffH

          proffessor…whoopi ding for you! I,m not making some wild and unfounded accusation here. There is a history here and I’m only telling the truth…it’s ain’t pc.

  • Don Sanborn

    I know this to be true. When you have a proabishon you end up like germany in the thirthys are cops are no better then the ss was durning the war. The only way to end this is to let fredom be what are country is about. United we stand devided we will fall. You could end most of this by makeing drugs legal. We would make many that hate the US like us and get rid of the bs war on drugs that is unwinable.

  • smokey

    i’m sorry but i do not agree with the content of this article. while i will be the first to say that there are indeed officers that step over the line and over exert their powers, they don’t usually last long in a law enforcement job. if the police appear to be more heavy handed today i would ask you to look at the statistics for the last five years or so on officers injured or killed on the job. it is becoming increasingly dangerous to be on the mean streets. the reasons for this are a whole ‘nother topic, but the proof is there. so don’t dump all cops into the garbage can but rather view the job from their side of the badge.

    • Mark Are

      Oh, really? They are fired? BULL CRAP! Many are not fired and are left on the force until they do something seriously heinous. For instance, Lon Horiuchi of Ruby Ridge fame, shot a woman in the head while she was holding her baby. He was also involved in the WACO debacle. His punishment? He was PROMOTED. WE DON’T NEED THEM. And if you are one, get over it! WE DON’T NEED YOU.

  • eddie47d

    Big Brother is here and actively engaging in your life and not in ways you thought were possible even 10 years ago. Even I didn’t like the idea of tasers when they came out several years ago. Yet I thought they would be better than a bullet in the head. Now I look at them as being just as cruel and misused as the billy club or gun. When SWAT teams came on the scene 20 years ago I thought they would only be used for rapid response in hostage situations or kidnappings. Now they are everywhere and are a deadly force against innocents. The “KGB” is alive and well in America.

    • DaveH

      Yeah, you gotta watch out for those dangerous 14-year old girls:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSuZqWgVGNs

      I was looking for that particular incident on Youtube using the search terms “girl tased” and I was amazed at the number of hits I got.

  • henry

    obama is amuselem that is why he dont care about anything.he is responsabl fore the cops doing what they do.

  • henry

    cops in washington state have killed a paster on his own property and killed a man fore nothing the mam was mentely hanhd caped.the cop got nailed fore it but he will get off.sad……

  • Kevin

    I was under the impression that there were different types of search warrants.
    1. The basic warrant. (day time and knock)
    2. A No-Knock warrant. (break down the door)
    3. A Night Warrant. (after 9 or 10 pm until morning)

    #s 2 & 3 required more probable cause before the judge signs off on it.

    When did this change?

    • DaveH

      The question is “Why do numbers 2 and 3 even exist?”.

  • Catfish

    Yes, the cops are now the army. And no one is safe from them. But every time someone mentions making drugs legal, there is an uproar, but if people would take the time to think about it. The illegal part is the problem, that is where the money is. If it were not illegal there would be no money in it, and it would end the problem.

    I remember back to prohibition days, all booze was made illegal. We got the Mofia, and Al Capone, and all the shootings and killings in the streets.
    (over money) Someone finally got smart and made booze legal. End of problem, no money, no incentive.

    But think of all the money it takes for the (War on Drugs) You would empty most of the jails, you would end drug trafficking, you would end the crimes of people killing people to get the money for drugs. All the killings on our southern border over drugs (money)

    There was a time you could buy cocaine in the drug store. Then someone (I know how to handle your life better than you) made it a law that it was illegal to have, and were are back to the same thing we had with the booze.

    So, it isn’t the drugs that is causing all the problems. it is the MONEY.
    And until the people wake up to the fact, nothing will change.
    I don’t do drugs, never have, never will, But the human race always want what they can’t have, and if there is money in it, they want it even more. I think it is time to take our head out of the sand, and use our brain for something. THINK.

    • DaveH

      Government Leaders are always pushing the envelope to gain more Power and Perks. If they can frighten the citizens to further that cause — They will.

    • Mark Are

      The Law Enforcement GROWTH INDUSTRY:
      http://www.bornagainclassics.com/Books/gordon.html

  • Joe Joe

    Cops need to wake up and realize that they are being used to take this country over, and when their done, they too will be thrown in the trash heap like dirty rags. Also, when the sh– hits the fan and our TREASONOUS government, who have ruined our economy by design (for their MASTERS-the puppeteers), has them go out and try to round up people and take their guns, then they’ll just end up DEAD. Uncle Sammy already has far too much on his plate and when they try to implement their full takeover, there will be ZERO back-up for any local law enforcement agencies. Your either with the people or your for the crooks who are real close to defeat, as we speak. Reminds me (our government) of a peacock spreading it’s feathers to get you to believe they are far bigger than they actually are. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!

  • John Hand

    Bob, Bob, Bob. A police conspiracy under every rock and behind every garbage can? I agree that sometimes the police get a little carried away. I mean, if people are shooting at you, and the liberal media is out to get you, and even conservatives like Bob Livingston seem to find fault with your very existence, then what else can you do but HIT BACK?

    • DaveH

      No Conspiracy, just fact. Leaders like to grow their Power. Thomas Jefferson knew this simple fact over 200 years ago.
      “The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground”.
      Imagine that, there were people 200 years ago who were wiser than most now.

    • Mark Are

      John, John, John…and WHY are they shooting at you? Is it because you are enforcing THOUGHT CRIMES? That you will arrest and cage people for smoking a herb? That you will arrest people for not having a drivers license, no gun carry permit, make a list it is a mile long. When you see the courts and police caging people for doing basically NOTHING violent, you are going to eventually have repercussions. I mean they make it a FELONY (which used to be a heinous crime) for not filing proper sales tax receipts in Arkansas! Ever hear of Carl Dregas? http://www.afn.org/~govern/dregas.html PEOPLE EVENTUALLY GET FED UP WITH THE BOOT ON THEIR FACE! How much longer do you think the OWS protesters are going to put up with being murdered, taseds, gassed and who knows what until eventually they show up with their TEETH, (2nd amendment devices) and start shooting the cops that are attacking them? HOW MUCH LONGER??

      • DaveH

        Let’s hope that doesn’t happen at least until people start understanding real concepts of freedom. Big Government would love an excuse to launch a complete takeover.

      • John Hand

        Are you SERIOUSLY defending the OWS slimeballs? Really? Nothing but a bunch of unemployed because they are too lazy to work drifters, and I suppose that come Sept-Oct-November when Obama sends out the word, they will go out and riot someplace and they will have prepared signs for he TV cameras they will hold up that say…’GW did it.

  • USMCVeteran

    This is the reason why Americans need to own firearms and learn how to use them well. Mike Adams wrote a great article a few months ago, “Trickle Down Tyranny”, it’s monkey see, monkey do, when state and local law enforcement watch Fedzilla getting away with breaking the law they’re going break the law as well. When I write my so-called representative and senators about my concerns with this road to tyranny and the police state juggernaut in Amerika, i.e. the unPatriot Act, NDAA, Expatriation Act, FAA Reathorization Act, if I receive a response they always point to 9/11/2001, my response to them is to find a history book and read about the Reichstag fire in Germany on 2/27/1933.

    • DaveH

      The thing to keep in mind is that it is in their vested interest to Grow Government. It is a rare Representative who actually cares for the people like Ron Paul does:
      http://ronpaul2012.com/

      • JeffH

        Many people think that their actions will not draw the watchful eye of our increasingly corrupt and dangerous government. Before some of you go back to the football game, take a look at the following groups that the government categorizes as domestic terrorists according to the Homeland Security inspired MIAC report:

        Domestic terrorists support Ron Paul
        Libertarians and Constitutionalists are domestic terrorists

        Domestic terrorists don’t believe the official explanations for 9/11, Ruby Ridge, Waco and the Oklahoma City bombing.

        Domestic terrorists oppose abortion and support gun rights.

        Domestic terrorists are fearful of big government and espouse support for the Constitution

        Domestic terrorists collect firearms and survivalist books.

        Domestic terrorists are religious zealots, reading the book of Revelation, and speak of the second coming of Christ

        Domestic terrorists grow their own food

        Domestic terrorists proudly display bumper stickers in support of Constitutional rights

        Returning military war veterans are domestic terrorists

        • cawmun cents

          I just realized that DHS probably thinks I am a domestic terrorist.
          Well actually I was pretty certain of that back in the eighties,before the term Department of Homeland Security was coined.
          But I was a gun totin’,meat eatin’,beer drinkin’,womanizin’,Ted Nugent listenin’,hot rod drivin’,fellow American lovin’,son-of-a-(expletive deleted)back then too!.
          Oh well,progress goes on but some things never change.
          Cheers!
          -CC.

          • JeffH

            cawmun cents, ditto that…although my gun totin’ was done only when I was huntin’ or sport shootin’… :)

  • sniffer

    2-13 Lots of good comments. Citizens need to study the “World at War” documentary series. We’re repeating WWII conditions. God’s Covenants make civility & civilization possible – eliminate them & you have the opposite – deception, chaos, and famine of everything worthwhile. Got to have police to enforce liberty, unchecked we get brown shirts, then SS, then extermination camps – takes corruption all the way through government!

    Key point – Eric Holder – prosecutes whatever he wants, acts as legislator, judge, & jury – unequalled in corruption. Congress can put an end to it & we can replace legislators who will not act (the majority of office holders). Organize, communicate, & above all else make sure ballot stuffers go to jail – that begins with local law enforcement and local prosecutors – You can make them accountable. 300 million people can stop Holder and in turn the hand full of crap running this country! The pen really is mightier than the sword. Begin by ridiculing and condemning deception – nail the media bobble heads for what they are.

    • DaveH

      Where it all starts is the propagandized belief that War brings Peace. War can never bring Peace. That should be obvious to us all over the last 100 years.
      The best hope we have for Peace is Free Trade with other countries, and stop our gunpoint diplomacy:
      http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/bastiat.html

      And I’m not talking about NAFTA or GATT. Free Trade is NOT administered by Government panels.

  • James

    We should all read the Declaration of Indepndence. It was direccted at he “King of Great-Britain,” there then follows a long list of” “He has” done this and that, and “For quartering large Bodies of Armed Troops among us:” etc. What the Declaration complained of is essentially what we are now experiencing from our national government.

    • NC

      James, we have had armed troops in our midst(but not in our homes) for 230 years and very little, if any, trouble with that situation! However, if you are paranoid enough, you can envision them rushing out of Fort Bragg in great numbers and dragging your butt off to some FEMA camp!Keep your powder dry but, better yet, get some treatment and get off the kool aid!

      • James

        NC, I agree that we’re not quite there yet, but Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution reads: “The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States.” Presidents have used this power to quell riots before, and if the present rebellion increases, they could use this power nationally.

        • NC

          James, if the “present rebellion increases” to the point of armed conflict then the President should call out the militia before he/she hands over a duly elected government to a bunch of people trying to “change” the government in a way not allowed by the constitution or die trying to save the Constitution!

      • DaveH

        Why is it, NC, that you Liberals so often resort to Ad Hominem attacks?
        Maybe if you spent more time reading and gaining knowledge, you would be secure enough to not need that adolescent manipulative tactic.

      • libertarian58

        NC, take another look. While out “troops” are all stationed overseas, our local police are being “converted” into the new “army” that will be stationed among the people when the S— hits the fan. If you can’t do it overtly, then you do it covertly. The “war on drugs” is the mechanism that makes it possible.

        • NC

          Lib, if you are so sure that police are being trained for a purpose other than what they do under ‘city” or state charters then you need to report it!!! Be sure you have good proof of the reasons you state or they will make you pee in a bottle and haul your butt to a treatment center.Another rightwing nut conspiracy! You need to go sit next to the Fema people or maybe by the NWO people!! No No sit over there by the people who believe that 13% can run the country!

          • DaveH

            If you’d do some studying, NC, maybe you could become secure enough in your knowledge to not employ the adolescent Liberal manipulative techniques.

  • http://personallibertydigest Gottaplenty

    This is the way of commie takeovers. They get started by deteriating civil law enforcement a little at a time, then after it becomes daily action and no resistance, the military will step in a little at a time . so subtle, When the POTUS ignores and defies court orders to appear in court and it dont even get a stir from the news media , you can expect the law to be on the side of the law breaker. That is how it all starts.

  • gnafu

    Why do you think Obama approved of Occupiers? This promoted “The Police State.” All in the agenda!

    • John Hand

      Not only did Obama approve of the OWS occupiers, he recently declared the Muslim killings at Ft Hood to be ‘workplace violence.’ The ‘official’ investigative report issued by the Army MAKES NO MENTION of Major Hasan yelling ALLAH AKBAR as he killed and wounded all those innocent military and civilian personnel. And it was nowhere near ‘workplace violence’ since he was far removed from his workplace and everyone he shot was a stranger. And why hasn’t this man already been tried and hung? Well, Obama is protecting his fellow Muslim, that’s why, and since so much time has passed without action, it is obvious Obama wants any ‘trial’ held AFTER the elections.

  • lg

    Please remove me from your list . I really doubt your actual facts and articles about police issues .

    • James

      Lg, I
      m sure you’re not alone there, I think most Americans would agree with you. But, when these bad things happen they aren’t made known by the major media. They don’t say: “Look what the out-of-control national government has done to us now!” The same is true with religion. If you want to know what ‘thus saith the Lord,’ stop going to church and read your Bible.

      • Will

        If you read your bible, you’ll know not to “forsake the gathering together of yourselves”. If you obey God, you go. Just because you’ve been commanded too.

  • lg

    remove me from your list .

    • Mark Are

      REMOVE YOURSELF!

  • http://www/billmcgaughey.com William McGaughey

    The cornerstone of the police state is Domestic Abuse laws which allow the police to come into a home to arrest the man if a related woman accuses a man of violence or even says she is afraid of him. Then the state will not allow her to drop the charges because it is now considered the state’s business. Judges routinely order men out of their homes under “no contact orders” during the period before the trial, often months in the future. This is a substantial punishment inflicted on persons who are presumably innocent. The no contact orders forbid contact by email, mail, and telephone as well as in person, and contact through third parties. Feminists got these practices started but now there is a huge police, law, and corrections establishment that profits from it. This recently happened to me. I have written up a complete account and published it at http://www.billmcgaughey.com/domesticabuse.html.

    • Karolyn

      I work for a domestic violence and sexual assault organization, so K know what I am talking about. Thank God women get justice these days! However, it is not necessarily as easy as you say it is. Very often there have to be marks on the woman for the man to be ordered out, and if the house is owned by the two, it can be difficult without proof of violence. More often the case is that women are afraid to report the violence and put up with it – sometimes to the point of death. Face it, bud, the number of women abused by men far exceeds the opposite, and feminists have nothing to do with it. Women need protection from all abusive men who have no respect for women. Before the laws were strengthened, women had no choice but to suffer in silence. Men do have all the power. The lack of respect and objectification of women is what causes this country to have a much higher percentage of sexual assault than european countries. And don’t try to tell me that I hate men, because I absolutely don’t!

      • patty

        Karolyn, I agree with you. What burns me are the women who use/abuse the system for their own gain. They give the rest a bad name.

        • Karolyn

          Patty – At least they are in the minority.

      • John Hand

        This nation has a much higher rate of assault against woman than other nations? Obviously you never read the news. You have to dig beyond the liberally massaged news sources such as CNN, MSNBC, etc. Do you know that women in Muslim countries have no rights whatsoever? Do you know they are stoned in public for such simple ‘violations’ as being seen walking on the street with someone not a relative? Do you know they are raped (marriage) at 12, maybe younger? Don’t knock the USA, we might not be perfect, but the alternatives are much worse.

  • TWO SIDES

    Not all L.E.O. are this way, check out http://WWW.oathkeepers .org and get the other side of the story. They may well be our best hope when the Sh** hits the fan. Most LEO’s put their lives on the line daily to protect the citizens they serve. A few bad apples don’t spoil the whole bunch and I think this is a very unfair attack on Law Enforcement.

    • James

      I don’t see it as an ‘attack’ I see it as a warning, it’s the direction we are headed.

    • DaveH

      If they are truly Constitutional advocates, Two Sides, they will recognize what Bob is saying as true.

  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS in Australia

    I agree with you totally Bob, I have noticed it on many of the news and police programs where police seem to be on a mission to annoy anyone walking the streets. The seem to belive what they doing is the correct way to police, obviously had their higher commanders have joined the Army they would have been pulled up on many of their activities, but as police they seem to be treating the citizens as the enermy.

    I could understand to some degree that with so many guns in your society, police are being extra careful and assuming everyone walking in your streets would most likely have or produce a gun to shoot them with.

    YET your legislators have gone too far with all your laws and regulations on petty matters which are treated as very serious matters. I really dont think your system is going to change for the better and I warn many intending visitors from Australia to be very careful when touring the USA as they could so easily end up in a jail for daring to talk or smile at a policeman who might be paranoid about the way he been looked at.

    I am sure that even your ex army personel would not treat their own citizens with the same distain that your police treats your citizens. Just look at your courts anf jails packed full of people charged with mainly minor matters…but its become a self fulfilling growth industry to build jails for all your incacerated citizens who might have stolen a loaf of bread when they were starving. It reminds me of what was happening in old Emgland 250 years ago when they sent petty theives to AUSTRALIA to hard labour camps for steeling food.

    I dont believe that your law makers can see how silly they have become at what they do…but then again with so many of your ‘crazy’ religious fanatics having so much power in your comgress , i’m not surprised. Most of your government workers have become like little Hitlers while the rest of you have been sleeping at the wheel.

    I really cant see it getting better anytime soon…good luck.

    • FreedomFighter

      I dont believe that your law makers can see how silly they have become at what they do…but then again with so many of your ‘crazy’ religious fanatics having so much power in your comgress , i’m not surprised. Most of your government workers have become like little Hitlers while the rest of you have been sleeping at the wheel.

      Gilly the religion they practice is SATANIC, the NWO controllers are satanists they either buy the corrupt, leverage or kill and replace. The wives run around with BAFAMET necklaces, sacrifice to satan at Bohemian Grove, and much much more.

      Peel the onion, the more you do, the closer you will get to the truth, and you will reach a point where you dont want to look anymore. Staring at evil isnt healthy

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • 45caliber

      Gilly:

      We don’t have a lack of food problem that other countries do, even though it may seem so. Most of the families that complain of a lack of food are the ones that draw welfare. They also get food stamps (or something similar – here in Texas they have a credit card that the state adds money to each month for food) so they don’t even have to buy food with their checks. They simply want more money and food is an argument most use, particularly since they WILL starve their own kids so they can use the money to buy themselves more drugs.

      I’ve been in other countries so I know the problem. The real problem here is that the law system is the best in the world – for lawyers. Someone commits a crime, he is generally caught in less than a week, and then the lawyer gets two years of income from him (or from the court that appoints the lawyer) before he goes to jail. Then he gets out early to start the cycle all over again. The juries are beginning to put them away for longer times just to keep them in jail.

      I saw an article in the Houston Chronicle (Comical) this morning about a guy on death row his lawyers are trying to get changed to life (after 22 years). He was arrested and sentenced to 15 years for rape – and was out on parole in 13 months before he committed the murder of a cop that put him on death row. 13 months for a 15 year sentence? That is ridiculous!

    • John Hand

      Hey Gillyrooms or whatever that name is in Australia. I hear the Muslims are taking over there, and you seem to be worried about your police? Better take a look around.

      • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS from Australia

        John Hand…I am interested in encouraging world peace including in the USA. Your reply does not encourage good debate but your trying to bring in a topic of irrelevance which bullies like you usually try to bring up in any discussion. Sometimes you need people like me to raise issues which you cannot see staring you in the face. That’s why maybe Bob Livingston has created this forum to help expose. what most people cant see or acknowledge.

        The reality Mr. John Hand is that American & Australian and other Englishmen’s lives are being lost in foreign lands in an effort to bring DEMOCRACY to countries who don’t want it…and yet you don’t seem to have much democracy in your own country when you mistreat your own citizens they way most of your government workers, your state workers who are led by your politicians…the top is responsible for the culture imbedded in the government workers who continue to mistreat its citizens at every level including the police and your elected judiciary who are themselves prone to corruption to do the bidding of their electors. In however Australia the Judiciary follows the laws without fear or favor because they are in the job for life. They don’t have to worry about losing their job because they sent too few people to be executed by electric chair.

        The more I learn about your system of government the more I appreciate ours because I can see the flaws in your system even though you can’t see anything wrong at all Mr. John Hand.

        I’m not concerned about a few Muslims coming into Australia as long as they follow our laws …but inevitably some will turn to criminality just like the some Irish and Italian immigrants became mob bosses in the USA…not much difference…I was taught but the Irish Christian Brothers…but do I hate the Irish…no …they tried their best to educate us in a Catholic environment…As far as the Muslim religion is concerned it seems to be rather similar to Christianity…maybe better because they wont accept the use of the demon drink alcohol and its use…what so bad about that?? Have you even bothered to find out what their religion is about? I don’t agree with their women covering up especially if some are attractive….but on the other hand how many Americans like other guys leering at their beautiful girlfriends or attempting to chat them up…how many fights have resulted in such behaviour ?? So maybe it’s a good idea so to avoid unwanted attention …how many lives have been lost by jealous boyfriends killing other guys for daring to smile at their chosen girl?? Can you see my point Mr. Hand…maybe it has never occurred to you or maybe you are like me and like using my poor eye sight to look at beautiful girls if I can still see them clearly…lol
        Christian religions have the Ten Commandments …Thou shalt not Covert your neighbors wife….the temptation is high if you can see her in a pretty short dress but if she was covered from head to toe in a Muslim outfit….the temptation would never arise. I would imagine.
        Now some Muslims are being taught by some war mongers under the guise of extreme religious groups to hate and exterminate their aggressors…Why? Why are they so intent in destroying us? Let’s just think it out? Why are these people out to destroy us?

        Could it be that our politicians are using and misrepresenting our Christian Faith as an excuse to convert Muslims to our form of Democracy and our way of life which they see as a threat to their way of life maybe? What so good our your American form of imperfect Democracy? I don’t think America is very Democratic at all really.

        Do you think that they might consider seeing their wives and daughters walking around in short dresses so Australian and American men can leer at them or covert them, or that they might start going to pubs and clubs so that your sons can get them drunk and have their way with them is a good idea? Even if most Americans are not Christians ….why should Muslims want to aspire to convert to your American way of life of drunkenness and debauchery and corrupt justice? Mind you I don’t like their system of justice in their own countries and I won’t be visiting Muslim countries anytime soon.

        Our Australian Police in our states are not angels by any means but they are generally under better control than yours in the USA. They are far more diplomatic toward our citizens and don’t treat us all like criminals of which we have our own far share, but the way you Police mistreat your citizens for just daring to breath is an atrocity and the biggest failure of your system of government and your Constitution.
        But Dr Ron Paul is the ONLY ray of hope in this world today and he is in the USA and he is doing well spreading his message in the USA and I’m in Australia and I can hear the logic of his arguments…CAN YOU LEARN TO THINK LIKE DR RON PAUL..Mr Hand?

  • Charlie Tall

    The massacre of the men, women, and children of the Branch Dividians in Waco would not have occured if the BATFE had simply walked up to the door and served their warrant. Or they could have served it on Brother Koresh when he was in town shopping.

    The local sheriff was interviewed and he stated that they could probably have called Koresh and asked him to come into town to receive the warrant. The sheriff thought he was a pretty nice guy, just a little eccentric.

    While the Dividians did have automatic weapons, they were legally acquired IAW the National Firearms Act. The Dividians had paid the taxes and bought the guns legally; they’d jummped through all of the Federal hoops. Those facts were conveniently ignored by both the Department of Justice (a.k.a. Obergruppenfuehrer Janet Reno) and the media while the children burned.

    • James

      I agree, Keresh went on weekly shopping trips to town, and when out of his vehicle, he was unarmed. He could have easily been served there.

      • DaveH

        The Ruby Ridge incident was similarly unnecessary.
        My personal suspicion is that both were engineered to further Clinton’s gun-grabbing goals.

    • 45caliber

      Charlie:

      The Davidians did NOT have any automatic weapons. Somewhere I’ve got a list of the weapons found there – none were automatic and all were legal. My list was put together by the Texas Rangers. They were sent to investigate after the fire. The feds told the Rangers to leave. The Ranger in charge told the federal officers there were three things that might occur – take their pick. They could investigate, the feds could go to jail, or “we’ll kill all of you.” They were allowed to investigate. The closest thing they had to an automatic weapon was the barrel of an M-60 ONLY.

      The reason the BATF went in, according to one of the local members who quit (and was at this site) was because the BATF wanted some publicity to justify their payroll. That’s why they invited the reporters to witness the arrest.

      All the hoopla about child molestation came out AFTER the attack. According to the local sheriff, they had checked but found no evidence of any child problems before the attack. Besides, the BATF had no authority to arrest over child molestation.

      • DaveH

        Cato’s version of the Waco assault:
        http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa395.pdf

        • 45caliber

          Considering that this investigation was 8 years old, I’ll explain what I personally heard and saw.

          1) Driving to work the morning of the fire, I was listening to a news radio station. At 7:00 am as usual, the first story was the standoff. The reporter at the station stated: “Let’s go to our man in the field to find out what is going on today.”

          The man in the field stated, (remember, this is 7), “I don’t know what is going on. In the last hour we have seen 7 ambulances and 11 fire trucks go up to the government site. Something is going on but we don’t know what.”

          2) When I got to work (I worked in an office) I set my radio to the news channel. About 8:30 they announced that the government was sending tanks up to use tear gas (CS gas) in an effort to drive out the people.

          3) At about 9 the fire was reported. A government spokesmen spoke to the reporters and stated that the fire was unexpected. One of the reporters asked why the government didn’t allow fire trucks to go up to see if they could put out the fire and perhaps save the people. The government spokesman stated, “We didn’t expect a fire so we didn’t have any fire trucks available.”

          4) Needless to say the place burned. That night I watched the television news on it (remember the reporters were held over a quarter of a mile from the site so all video was using telephoto lenses). Basically all we saw was the fire.

          5) The next morning the reporters were allowed to move to a position about 200 yards from the site. Basically, all that could be seen was a pile of ashes. However, there was an M-60 machine gun sitting upright on the ashes. The government spokesman stated that they had found the machine gun in the ashes, proving that the Davidians had automatic weapons. The machine gun had a polished wooden stock that reflected the light. This was found buried in the ashes after a hot fire?

          6) A week or so later I spoke with a friend who was a nurse at one of the three hospitals where they sent the bodies. She told me that ALL bodies were shot square between the eyes, which is very hard to do if you are shooting yourself.

          7) As I stated above, the Rangers (8 of them) were sent in by the governor to make a seperate investigation. As I stated I have a list of the weapons the Rangers found on site. NO AUTOMATIC WEAPONS WERE FOUND that were used by the Davidians.

          8) About a month later I spoke with a man at Angleton, TX, who had been a member of the ATF in the initial attack. He told me that they had practiced that attack and that they were told that they were to go in and capture all the Davidians. This was to be done to “prove” that the ATF were as good or better than other federal police units. There were several news reporters called three days before the attack so they could be on hand to document the attack and proficiency of the ATF.

          The morning of the attack, they went in, hauled in the cattle trailers. Two men went to the door and knocked. Koresh himself answered the door. While they were talking to him, in an attempt to keep his attention, the rest stormed the building using ladders to get to second floor. Since the first floor was larger than the second floor, many of these ladders simply let them climb onto the roof (I also saw this on TV) so they could reach upstairs windows. The shooting started when one of the ATF, climbing a ladder with a gun in his hand, accidently shot himself in the leg. He shouted, “I’m shot!” and everyone else then started shooting.

          As soon as the shooting started, one of the men talking to Koresh drew his gun and shot Koresh in the stomach. Koresh half stepped and half fell back, slamming the door, which locked itself.

          The shooting went on for several minutes. As the man told me, he was unaware of the Davidians doing any shooting at all. As far as he could tell only the ATF were shooting. He knew for a fact that all four of their casualties were by friendly fire.

          They pulled back to the road in front of the house about four hundred yards away. The leader of the group called Washington (he had no idea who was called there) and reported the fiasco. After about thirty minutes on the phone, mostly saying, “Yes, Ma’am”, the leader hung up and turned to tell the men to spread out around the house and shoot to kill any person they saw. One of the men protested, stating that there were elderly and children in the site. The leader told him the orders were to kill ALL the people they saw. 28 resigned when threatened with being fired if they refused. The leader had them disarm and pile all government issued equipment into a pile on the road. They were refused transportation and had to walk 7 miles to a house to get to a phone to call for a ride.

          Others also told me the same things, along with other info, not listed here, that I do not for sure know is true or not.

          9) About three months later there was a video tape that came out showing ALL the video taken by the reporters. This was put up for sale. Later this was sent to the libraries in the area. I doubt if any can now be found at libraries. Perhaps someone still has a copy. One thing was shown in particular – the picture of a tank backing out of a building with flame dropping from the muzzle of the attacked flame thrower. However the government insisted this was actually a piece of shiny metal caught on it that was reflecting the sunlight. There were other things on the tape as well, that I won’t get into here since they may or may not have been important unless you consider the rest of what went on.

          Finally, I wrote a letter to Congressman Laughlin, a lawyer from West Columbia. I had 23 questions listed on the various things I’d seen and heard. He wrote back a month later stating that the government had answered all the questions and he was satisfied with the answers – but he didn’t tell me a single answer. When I asked for answers I didn’t hear again from him.

          So – make up your own mind as to what happened.

    • Mark Are

      MOST if not ALL warrants could be issued without the display of military hardware and execution squads. Simply approach the person in the mall, at work, at a stop light, wherever and arrest them. The only reason for this massive shock and awe display is to scare the crap out of the average person! It has to do with making us FEAR our captors. After all, why use diplomacy when you have all these torture toys and weapons of mass destruction available to play with?

  • Viet Nam Vet 67-68

    Carter was a complete incompentant, the clintons were Communists and Obamination is a Radical Muslim Communist Half Breed who has been proven to be an Illegal President and for you Black People a Half Breed (NOT BLACK) who has done nothing for you Blacks as have 60 years of DemoRATS. Blacks have proven they are the true Racists 94% of voting blacks voted for Obamination because he had Tan Skin even though he is Half White and the most ignorant, arrogant Communist mto ever sit in the White House. Communism is here and Americans need to get ready for Martial Law before either the election or before Janurary 20th 2013 when a Republican is sworn in as the new President.,

    • DaveH

      I believe that the problem of racism has been greatly facilitated by Government meddling starting with the treatment of southerners after the Civil War.

    • 45caliber

      Viet Nam Vet:

      The Clintons were also heavily into the illegal drug business. Clinton owned an airplane that brought it 5 tons of coke twice a week before the FBI finally shut it down. He insisted that he didn’t know the pilot (who was a childhood friend) and didn’t know what was going on. Both of them set up and ran an agency for the state while he was governor that laundered about $150 million a month. The witnesses to that were being flown to Washington by Star when the plane crashed – all were killed and the evidence was burned in the wreckage.

    • John Hand

      Did you say Carter WAS a complete incompetent? Trouble is, we taxpayers are STILL paying big bucks for his retirement along with all the money we have to provide so that he can drag his assigned Secret Service detail all over the world while he goes overseas, visits Palestinians and makes speeches against Israel.

  • Stephen

    Somebody needs to get this message to Oath Keepers. When I tried to point out the brutality of the police to ordinary citizens to my local chapter, I was hounded out. That definitely did not inspire confidence in myself that they will refrain from using lethal force against Americans, if ordered to do so.

  • Nick Mills

    Here’s what I’ve got, I live about 2 miles from a drug infested area known as the city of Schenectady and to the best of my knowledge it has become the dumping ground for the state prison system. The police are doing everything that they can to clean it up but it doesn’t appear to be enough. In all honesty I think we need the seals and the marines as well as alot more dead bodies to clean it up so the cops don’t have to be so hair triggered. In my conservative estimation theese people never should have gotten out of prison in the first place. The crime and violence that takes place there on a minute by minute basis is unbelievable and something needs to be done about it. unfortunately situations like the ones listed take place but the cops are just doing their job and it’s a tough one and definitely one that I wouldn’t want to do because I don’t have the patience. If I did because I’m a vet which means that I’m a trained killer there’d be alot of dead drug dealers in my wake.One thing that the cops definitely do need is better intell and that’s a tough thing because theese people are so addicted to the lifestyle that they won’t squawk on one another.

    • DaveH

      The answer is to end the 40 years of Failed drug wars.
      Alcohol prohibition led to dramatically increased homicide rates, just as Drug prohibition has done. One would think we’d learn from history.

      • 45caliber

        Dave:

        You should ask yourself why the drugs were declared illegal in the first place and do a little research on it. There is a justifiable reason – at least to me.

        • DaveH

          I was there when it all started. I knew nobody who did drugs before the issue became politicized. Afterwards, all my friends were trying them (except me). Of course, my limited experience proves nothing.
          My answer to your question would be that Government is always looking for ways to build it’s coercive power. And 45, if you are truly open-minded then read this and learn something:
          http://mises.org/books/prohibition.pdf

          • 45caliber

            I know what prohibition did. But there are differences. And I assure you, you weren’t there when they made drugs illegal. That was done about 1910. I find it hard to believe you were old enough then to know anything about the issues then. The problems then due to drugs was family destruction and robbery/burglaries to get enough money for the next dose – even though the drugs were cheap and legal.

          • DaveH

            I choose my words very carefully, 45. I did not say I was there when they made drugs (some drugs) illegal.
            I said “I knew nobody who did drugs before the issue became politicized”. That was in the late 60s.
            Did you read the book?

          • DaveH

            And the bulk of drug-related crimes are a result of the criminalization of drugs which drove the drug prices sky-high.
            Read the book, 45, don’t be afraid, it won’t bite.

          • DaveH

            And when you say, 45, that “The problems then due to drugs was family destruction”, so do many other things cause similar problems.
            Alcohol destroys families.
            Divorce destroys families.
            Inheritance destroys families (I’ve seen that twice now in my own).
            No doubt drugs can be problematic. That isn’t the issue. The issue is whether Government Intervention has done any good. And the answer is obvious. Mexico’s current mess is a good example. In the middle of the Drug Wars most of my daughter’s friends were doing drugs. Even prisoners in lockup can get drugs. If there’s a will there’s a way. You just can’t save people from themselves. But we can save people from the Drug Warriors whose victims often are completely innocent people.
            We’ve traded a situation where people harm themselves by doing ignorant things, for one where people who aren’t even doing the ignorant things are made to suffer for the actions of those who are.
            And it costs the taxpayers (many unwilling participants) around $30 Billion a year to support that folly.

          • 45caliber

            Dave:

            Government intervention did do some good – when it was still a system that aided the people. In fact, drug use almost disappeared during the thirties. Of course, one reason was that the dealers were sent to prison for long terms at hard labor – when that still meant hard labor. Users were sent to hospitals for treatment by their families and if they continued they ended up in jail too.

            Now? The only purpose for jails now is to keep the prisoners off the streets for awhile. And that time is getting shorter all the time. I saw an article this morning in the paper where a man was sentenced to 15 years for rape – and served only 13 months before release. Then he went on to shoot a cop. After 22 years on death row, his lawyers are now trying to get his sentence changed to life (which allows parole). There is no hard labor. While I agree that things are getting worse all the time, I don’t believe that releasing the prisoners and then making drug use legal is going to solve anything. Instead, I see things getting far worse.

            And while they are getting worse, I see the government using the problem as an excuse to further install the police state where every move you make is monitored and where you are not allowed to do anything to protect yourself or your family.

          • Karolyn

            I posted a link a while back showing the number of alcoholics in the US vesus drug addicts. Well, guess what? There are WAY more alcoholics than addicts. Actually, an addict is an addict, and alcohol is a drug. Because of its legality and availability, it causes more harm to the abuser, family, friends and society as a whole than drugs. 45 – Do you think alcoholics don’t steal to get money for booze? I have known a few in my lifetime.

    • 45caliber

      Nick:

      The people also know if they do squawk, their names will be turned over to the drug dealers who will take retribution. Informants are not kept secret (by many judicial decisions) and aren’t that hard to learn even if the police are all honest.

      Several years ago now, a man in CA informed on a crack house about two blocks from his own house. The dealers would all leave about 30 minutes before a policeman would arrive. After a couple of months he started getting threats. One night he was outside his house in the dark with a shotgun when they drove up and began shooting up his house – with his family inside. He peppered the car with buckshot and then called the police. The police arrested him – on his phone call – for shooting at the car. No one ever showed up shot or complained about it. In trial, he was found innocent – and then several jury members cornered him after the trial and told him he needed to get a better gun, with several suggestions as to what to get. The prosecutor and judge were upset by it. (Check NRA’s magazine for the article.)

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        45caliber and DaveH
        War on drug users:

        I believe authoritarians are manufacturing and manipulating public fears about drug use in order to create a police state where a much broader agenda of social control can be implemented, using government power to determine what movies we may watch, determine who we may love and how we may love them, determine whether we may or must pray to a deity. I believe the war on drug users masks a war on democracy.
        After all, what is the vision of a Drug-Free America? Millions in prison or slave labor, and only enthusiastic supporters of government policy allowed to hold jobs, attend school, have children, drive cars, own property. This is the combined vision of utopia held forth by Nancy Reagan, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, William Bennett, Daryl Gates, and thousands of other drug warriors. News media and “public interest” advertising tell us this is the America for which all good citizens yearn.
        —Richard Lawrence Miller

        • 45caliber

          coal:

          Drugs have been used in many countries, mostly Communist or tyranical ones, to control the population. I don’t see it as being different here. That is one reason I believe the libs want to make them legal and easy to get.

        • DaveH

          There is not a doubt in my mind, Coal Miner, that Government has used the excuse of the Drug Wars to further subjugate us.
          Alcohol, for instance kills more than 4 times the number of people each year as illegal drug usage. Why didn’t they go after alcohol? Probably because many people at that time had actually witnessed the devastating social effects of Prohibition, so it wouldn’t have been an easy sell. Drugs on the other hand were unfamiliar to most people at the time, so the fear factor was much easier to develop.
          Those who trade Liberty for safety will get neither as Ben Franklin said. We’re witnessing the truth of that statement.
          When I hear of Nazi police meting out their violence to even actual drug users, there is little doubt in my mind as to who the real Aggressors are, let alone when they mete it out to innocent victims.
          Those, who wonder how such a monster as Hitler could have come into being, can quit wondering.

    • Mark Are

      So tell us…why were drugs made illegal in the first place? So that those in government could control the distribution? Read Called To Serve and A Nation Betrayed by a well decorated Vietnam war vet..COLONEL BO GRITZ. And from the pictures I see of soldiers in Afghanistan guarding poppy fields and loading up trucks full of heroine..yea you’re the guy with the answers. Frankly, there SHOULD BE NO LAWS AGAINST WHAT YOU PUT IN YOUR OWN BODY! PERIOD. and people like you that think VIOLENCE initiated against people who are harming no one but possibly themselves is the REASON we are in the screwed up place we are in. Because you think that you have some moral high ground. Well screw that!

      • 45caliber

        Mark Are:

        Frankly I don’t care what you put into your own body. If you want to kill yourself, feel free. What I DO care about is what you and others want to put into the bodies of others – the kids who you convince to take drugs so you’ll have more customers and the people you want to put lead into. That is one of the big reasons drugs were originally made illegal. Don’t like that? I don’t care.

  • D Miller

    I’m with you my family were victims of fabricated evidense because of my complaints about my neighbors son speeding, his mom and dad are both Deputies. My complaints left us jailed on felony stalking charges. We fought a legal battle since 2000 and settled the lawsuit in June of 2011 for three times the states legal obligation so we wouldn’t make it to a trial. Oh and by the way during my complaints I filmed all of the officers during their visits concerning my complaints. Depositions were filmed and it was proven that numerous officers lied and fabricated all the evidence. In thses films they deliberately lied. No body was punished except the public (They paid)
    Still can’t even get the local news people to look at it. I think they have their adgendas. Sincerely D. Miller Palm Beach County, Fl.

  • Insurgent

    Many of these so-called police officers are not smart enough to figure out the same people they are attacking and harassing are the ones paying their salaries so they can buy more donuts!!!

    • DaveH

      That is the last thing on Government employees minds. They know only who hands them the check.

  • Charlie Tall

    Charles Hunt says:
    “If each and every police officer in America turned in his, or her, badge and gun, you probably wouldn’t have time to write such specious articles as you would be too busy defending yourself against the predators that would inevitably be prowling our streets.”

    Actually, that wouldn’t be so bad because then the law abiding but armed citizens could take care of crime themselves without the “let-the-police-do-it” crowd protecting the criminals.

    Remember this: A criminal loose on the streets costs the society about $50,000 per year, much more if that criminal is violent. If he’s caught and tried, the average circuit court trial costs more than $10,000. Incarceration is on the order of $35,000 or more per year. Then there’s all the expense of appeals, the parole process, and rehabilitation. However, if the SOB is shot and killed by an armed citizen the cost to society is around $501: $500 for the autopsy and burial; $1 for the bullet. Much less if the armed citizen owns a shovel and does the interment himself.

    What a bargain!

    If given the choice, I’d vote for no cops, no FBI, no DEA, no LEOs at all right this minute, and save the expense of so-called “law-enforcement” for the simple reason that most cops prefer to enforce the wrong laws or simply ones they makeup on the spot.

    So the bottom line is that the only places where a lack of police would be bad for honest citizens is where the police have already disarmed the honest citizens.

    Think about it.

    • 45caliber

      Charlie:

      You are off on one figure.

      It doesn’t cost society $50,000 a year for each criminal on the streets.

      It costs over $300,000 a year just for burglaries. This is due to stolen items, damage to the house or business, cleanup after a crime, police time to investigate, problems and healing for the victims, problems for the families of victims, etc. There can even be costs to their own families. Other crimes cost more. The only crimes that cost $50,000 or less are things like jay walking, etc.

      Therefore any action that can keep them off the streets and in jail are certainly less costly.

  • TWO SIDES

    You can remove my name from the list also! I like most of what you stand for but this is total B.S.!!! I think most active and retired LEO’s and military will agree! I am proud of all of our military and law enforcement officers. I served 27 yrs. in law enforcement and never had any compulsion to beat or bully anyone. I did however help many people thru some very hard and trying times in their lives.

    • 45caliber

      Two:

      Most officers are definately good people and are serving a good cause. But there are too many officers who make the rest look bad. As is said, “One bad apple can spoil the barrel.” I think every one of us would agree to that.

      The real problem is that too many of the officers don’t want to think for themselves. If given an illegal order, they will still carry it out on the justification that “I was told to do that so I’m not guilty.” And they get off when they do.

    • DaveH

      Where did Bob say all of you are bad? I must have missed that part.

    • Mark Are

      So for 27 years you were ENFORCING LAWS at the point of a gun, MANY of them laws that were put on the books for VICTIMLESS CRIMES. Where people are caged because they want to use drugs, or carry a gun without permission, or utilize a prostitute, or well, make a few volume list. Without YOU ENFORCING them we would be a free society. We can take care of our own problems without YOU or your ilk.

  • Fred Rehders

    It is all in an attempt to make everyday, law-abiding citizens fear the government. As long as they are able to storm into ANYONE’S home at any time and harshly treat people as though they are hardened criminal guilty of a crime, the more powerful they will feel over the rest of us. This can only lead to a situation where police feel justified in using deadly force to quell a demonstration against such tactics. That, or make it easier for police to follow orders to fire upon citizens they were hired to protect.

    It is okay for them to be cautious when pulling someone over, but it is not okay for them to assume everyone they pull over is a threat.

  • Janie Parker

    I’m sure there are a few police who have a power problem,. For the most part,the hands of police are tied too much. I want to know there are police in my town that are not afraid to take down someone breaking the law. They are being paid to keep us safe. Try for a ride around for a couple of nights and experience what they go thru. It’s not a hay ride out in the streets,not fun and games. Everyone should know how dangerous it is,from the news,”it’s wild out there”.

    • 45caliber

      Janie:

      Some definately do.

      Not too long ago, I stopped at a stop sign. A block down the side street, a police car was stopped at another stop sign. Both of us started at the same time. The next thing I knew, I was pulled over.

      The woman cop walked up and asked for my license and insurance. I handed them to her and then asked, “What offense did I do?”

      She almost came apart. She informed me that I had no right to do anything except what was told me by an officer and that I had no right to question her. If I asked another question, I would be arrested. She then went back to her car and checked my license to see if I had any outstanding tickets. Then she came back and informed me that I hadn’t stopped at the stop sign. I told her that I certainly had and that I’d be very foolish to look at any cop and then deliberately break a law. She informed me that I was required to stop at a stop sign for a minimum of ten seconds – which is not a law. But since my wife was with me (meaning I had a witness) she only gave me a warning ticket. Then she again told me to NEVER question anything a cop did or said but only to obey.

      When I mentioned this to an auxilery police officer, he told me I should have immediately gone to the police station and reported her for her actions. She had a complex (I won’t call it a “god” complex) and they were trying to get enough complaints to get rid of her. He did report it himself.

    • DaveH

      It’s dangerous mostly because Big Government has made it that way. We need to get back to the PEACE that results from Free Markets, Limited Government, Personal Responsibility, and Individual Freedom:
      http://libertarianparty.com/platform

  • libertarian58

    If you think this problem is only caused by the forces of “Socialism”, you are fooled. The “Capitalists” are just as much behind this. No matter which “party” is in power, the Police State continues to be built and even more aggressively under a “Republican” administration. Study the Hegelian Dialectic to see why both parties are flip sides of the same coin, being manipulated by global powers who’s only goal is world domination. Their goal, them as master, you as slave, or better yet, DEAD. The police apparently aren’t smart enough to realize that their own families will wind up living in the “monster” they are creating.

    • skip

      Check my response – you are right on.

    • DaveH

      Are you talking about Crony Capitalists, lib, or Capitalism in general (which we have not had in my lifetime)? Don’t confuse the two. Crony Capitalism is just a form of Socialism.

  • 45caliber

    SWAT teams were created to handle violent and tense situations. But how often do these cases appear?

    But every police force MUST have a SWAT team, regardless of the location. I doubt if a single SWAT team per county would find enough to keep them busy – but every city in the county must also have a SWAT team as well.

    But it costs (salary, equipment, training) to keep a SWAT team. And what do they do 95% of the time? Sit. So how can the cities and counties justify keeping the SWAT team?

    They must keep them busy. But there aren’t enough situations to do that, so they use them on what should otherwise be routine situations. So they are sent out to break into and search houses. But all that is truly needed is a couple of officers to drive up, knock on the door, and hand over a copy of a search warrant. The SWAT team has to do it by “training” – they break down the door and shoot anyone they see moving. This type of action rubs off on the other officers who want to use it for their own actions.

    • 45caliber

      Things would improve if they would just get rid of the SWAT teams. One per county MIGHT be of use – but I doubt it.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD_ybaXhXno David Platter

    One comment. Quit voting for more government and cops thinking this will keep you safe. When you liberty is lost you will have no one to blame but yourself! Vote for liberty! Ron Paul

  • FRENCHIE

    UNION THUGS WITH BADGES…WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED TO KNOW ?

  • dqfreemind

    It is time to kill cops. You need no justifaction. Just pull up next to them at a red light or coming out of a shop and just open fire. If they don’t get the hint; attack police stations.

    • DaveH

      Go away.

      • 45caliber

        dq:

        that is a liberal response to get conservatives in trouble if I ever heard one. I agree – go away.

  • professor

    The people in Houston have became more and more agitated and prone to violence toward one another. At stoplights an angry driver drags another person out of his car, or take a baseball bat to the windshield. Verbal abuse has increased over small “slights” by store clerks or waiters. People become angry and try to damage a neighbor’s home or car. This aggressive and belligerent behavior seems to be contagious!

    Abuse of others can spread through people on the street, military organizations, city police, or most any group. It starts out with small “infractions” and can become “major abuse” perpetrated against others. It seems to be everywhere, but most apparent in the change of attitude within many police departments. It spreads as it is a “learned response” for many, rather than ideology. Accordingly, the level of “acceptable abuse” is on the rise.

    Bob’s article is a very good one. The government is actively cultivating a repressive police state to take control of citizens, and it is effecting the attitudes of us all.

    • skip

      Your observations are shared by all of us – and we see it every day in Congress, with the outrageous behavior, shouted out comments, lack of respect, stonewalling, and the like. I don’t know where this started, but it has become universal behavior. One common observation that is emblematic – someone will cross the street anywhere, and not even look right or left, essentially say “I dare you” and giving the drivers the implied finger. What gives?

      • professor

        You are right Skip, the radical progressives are known for their passionate addiction to verbally abusing and viciously attacking everyone that doesn’t agree with them.

    • 45caliber

      prof:

      When the city sets up stop light cameras and then insist they can’t turn them off regardless of what the citizens say or do (such as vote to stop them), that is a police state. They want to use the cameras to watch the people and control them. Did you vote to shut them down? Have you tried to get the city to leave them off?

      • professor

        45…

        The cameras in Houston are there to “make money for the city.”
        People here don’t want them, the politicians do. Money is the primary reason at this point. However, the videos of the cars are good enough that you can recognize the drivers through the windshields.

        I can foresee problems for Americans with all the devices the government is using to monitor our activities. Bob wrote in his article about the drones that will be used to monitor homes, new additions, farms and their outbuildings, number of crops, increasing/decreasing numbers of livestock owned by individuals, and the movement of private citizens. GPS is being put in new cars for the same purpose. Our cell phones have GPS tracking and monitor our movements. There are devices that can see through the walls of our homes and listen to private conversations. There are even microchips that are put in some of the clothing we purchase. There have been pilot programs that have put microchips in newborns at county hospitals, unknown to parents.

        Personally, I resent my movement recorded, my conversations recorded and I don’t want my cell calls tracked. I don’t want my assets cataloged and monitored for changes! And, I don’t want to be stopped by the police at checkpoints, which will probably be next. It is not the job of the government to keep a dossier on my life and what I own (or, I should say “purchased” as we actually own nothing.) The government already owns everything. Don’t believe it, just stop paying the taxes on the home you paid for with your money.

  • skip

    The Patriot Act and the National Defense Aujthorization Act and Guantanamo were all W. Bush’s programs, through and through Republican. What the hell do you guys want? The repressive police forces are not federal – they are local or regional. You want decentralization, and local control – you’ve got it. Watch Wisconsin and the Fascist governor there to see what repression really is.

    • DaveH

      The NDAA which contained indefinite detention clauses was passed under Obama and signed by Obama. The Patriot Act was renewed with Obama’s signature.
      Why do you think two wrongs make a right, Skip?

  • Raymond Carl

    This article is definitely food for thought and it brings to mind a quote from former General of the Army Douglas McArthur: ” History bears record that no nation which became morally decadent, ever yet survived.” I will also add that when God is removed from any equation in life whether it be science, technology, family, or in this case Government, there is no reference point for right or wrong, justice or equality, honesty or integrity, these are left now to the will and design of men and women manipulated and manipulating by fear. Our forefathers were true visionaries in writing the Declaration of Independence saying in paragraph two: ” We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.” The abuses of King George and the English Parliament were finally enough, how far will the current string of abuses go before all the words of debate and legal arguments crystallize into bullets. Our current leaders need to lead, legislate, and operate under the Constitution with unwavering diligence. It is my hope and prayer that the people of this Nation have their voices heard with all the concerns that are being brought to light, and perhaps peace will prevail. I borrowed the above line from the autobiography of General John B. Gordon who upon reflecting upon his tenure as a congressman from Georgia during the heated arguments over State Rights and slavery during the 1850′s he aptly stated: “All the words of debate and argument finally crystallized into bullets.” Is our Government running headlong in the same course and direction? I hope not, but only time will tell. Personally I believe that a true return to acknowledging God can bring us back to a place of goodness and integrity to avoid what appears to be financial, political, and military catastrophe’s looming on the horizon. God made a way through His Son Jesus if we will accept it.

  • Thor

    Dear Bob:

    From having been a subscriber to this blog for several years now, I have come to know you as a person with an unflagging dedication to the logical paradigm and ‘proof of purchase’ in what you say. I am therefore a bit confused in trying to ascertain what you hope to accomplish here by painting in such broad, ill-substantiated strokes.

    “Law-abiding citizens are no longer safe from police.”

    Actually, they are neither more nor less safe from the police than they have ever been.

    “While the vilest offenders are SWAT teams, even regular patrol officers become violent at the least provocation.”

    True of some but not all.

    “Cops have come to think of themselves as gods above the law whose commands are to be obeyed immediately and without question.”

    Again, true of some but not all—not even a substantial number, as a matter of fact.

    These are some broad strokes, Bob, without a single qualifying word such as ‘many cops,’ or ‘some cops’ or so much as one statement that qualifies or quantifies these anecdotal examples statistically or analytically. The only sources you do name here are unqualified muckrakers with their own agenda-based biases to account for.

    I can only conclude from the method and substance of the presentation then that your agenda focuses on creating animosity for local police everywhere, during a time in which the general public is supremely unhappy with the present administration, has absolutely no good reason for trusting government and little or no hope that the assault on their Constitutional, natural and inalienable rights will not continue—and did I mention the fact that this past ‘Black Friday’ national background checks for gun purchases exceeded 129 thousand—an increase of 32% over the previous one day record (Guns & Ammo, March 2012)?

    I question the wisdom of this, Bob, because of the actual and unintended consequences that will befall both law abiding citizens and those members of local police agencies who are ‘good cops’ just trying to do a job. While the potential of local and Federal governments using law enforcement to oppressive ends is certainly a legitimate concern, as it has always been, we have bigger fish to fry. As I have pointed out before, the greatest (and newest) threat to our guns, our rights and our liberty is from unprecedented sources—namely, our own military and UN and NATO troops on our soil for the first time in history.

    I think you are on track to be skeptical of the rise of a police state, but I see flaws in your vision of how it is to be implemented. Local cops will not be the enforcers for many reasons spelled out in studies like “Rand MG819.” See it at:

    http://www.rand.org

    “A Stability Police Force for the United States Justification and Options for Creating U.S. Capabilities”; by Terrence K. Kelly, Seth G. Jones, James E. Barnett II, Keith Crane, Robert C. Davis, Carl Jensen. The research described in this report was sponsored by the United States Army under Contract No. W74V8H-06-C-0001; ISBN 978-0-8330-4653-6. [Designated “Rand MG819”]

    Here’s the project’s stated objective:

    “This project investigates the need for a U.S. Stability Police Force, the major capabilities it would need if created, where in the federal government it would best be headquartered, and how it should be staffed. In doing so, it considers options based in the Departments of Defense, Homeland Security, Justice, and State. The project was conducted for the U.S. Army’s Peacekeeping and Stability Operations Institute (PKSOI). Its purpose was to make recommendations to PKSOI, the Army, and the community of rule-of-law researchers, practitioners, and policymakers on the need for (and characteristics of) a U.S. Stability Police Force. This research was conducted within RAND Arroyo Center’s Strategy, Doctrine, and Resources Program. RAND Arroyo Center, part of the RAND Corporation, is a federally funded research and development center sponsored by the United States Army. The Project Unique Identification Code (PUIC) for the project that produced this document is ATFCR07234.
    The project point of contact is Terrence Kelly, 412-683-2300
    X4905, tkelly@rand.org.”

    Study results show that both the military police/intelligence apparatus and the federal level police agencies have skills and jurisdictional responsibilities necessary to do the job but neither has all of them. The suggested alternative is some kind of hybrid that can operate domestically and abroad. The facts and figures are couched in a language that indicates the use of stability forces abroad but the infrastructures described and the facts and figures used to describe capability can both be transposed to the states and used domestically. Combine that with the fact the US Army started retraining troops to handle domestic unrest in 2008 (see AT article below) and…well, it ain’t the local cops you gotta worry about!

    http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

    They will, however, be abusing the same laws you spoke of if they operate domestically.

    Sincerely, Thor

  • pete0097

    Heck the ACLU defended my brother when he was arrested for sitting on a bench on Pottstown PA Main street. FOr some reason, the city had passed an ordinance against such violent behavior. He just wanted to watch the cruisers go by. For some reason, they droppped the charges. That was back in the ’80′s.

  • Munnster

    While I am a hardcore conservative, I also have several family members and friends who are police officers, ranging all the way from patrol officer to Chief of Police. Also, several of them have been SWAT officers. While I am not dimissing that some officers get way out of hand, most of them are hard-working, honest, died in the wool patriots! The middle of the night raids that SWAT members make are for FELONY parole violations! Do we really want a bunch of felons who have violated their parole on the the streets? I think not! Those raids are the safest for the officers. They also need to have a warrant in order to make the raid, they don’t just do them willy-nilly.

    I do not disagree with Bob very often, however, having my first hand knowledge of these dozens of individuals, I would say that he is dead wrong in his evalution of the vast majority of officers. When you are dealing with the MILLIONS of encounters that police officers have with violent criminals each year, these things are bound to happen. Should they? No. That is why we have the legal system, to make the scowflaws accountable for their actions, which happens the majority of the time. Especially if you are not in corrupt cities, such as Chicago, Detroit, NYC, etc.

    Also, while they may be union workers, most of them I know are scared to death of Obama and his policies. The majority of them are NRA members and are aftaid of their own Second Amendment rights (as well as all the rest). Enough said.

  • Gary W. Qualls

    A lot of the so called Socialist Police are not very well trained. Their tactics are to place fear into anothers untrained heart & mind before they are able to react. A well trained legal law abiding citizen with a cool calm head on their shoulders is the greatest fear the Socialist Police have. Remember, just because they wear a badge, does not mean one can not protect themselves from a crime against themselves! Their are good Police & there are bad police. Bad police usually make stupid mistakes, so take advantage of their stupidity & save yourself or another if it is required to save ones life. Be proud to be an American Legal Law Abiding Citizen ! You have that right as an American, & I & my family helped give you this right ! So, use it or get abused!

    Father of a Fallen Hero,
    Uncle of a Fallen Hero,
    28 yr Disabled Veteran.

  • Professor

    Consider the possibility that citizens have become much more beligerent and savage in recent years, I can understand the response of police officers. When citizens go back to respecting the police, then they just might respond differently.

    • professor

      I didn’t write this comment. There must be someone else using the same name.

    • Mark Are

      Respect is something EARNED, not commanded. When the police quit acting like psychopaths, I’ll respect them. Until then, if one was on fire, I wouldn’t piss on him to put it out.

    • DaveH

      Consider the possibility that Government has created these conditions with their costly and aggressive actions, Professor (also consider a different moniker so as not to confuse us). First they deplete our jobs with their inefficient use of our financial resources, then they use those funds to hire bullies that abuse the citizens. Is it any wonder that violence against the police is going up?

  • eddie47d

    It’s been one month Bob Livingston since you felt a need to monitor me. Apparently you still don’t approve of my comments. Free Speech does suck when we can’t agree to disagree and hold each others feet to the fire. My feet are only a little warm how about yours? Have a great 1st Amendment Day.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear eddie47,

      I have been monitoring your comments and I have not seen evidence that you have learned anything from your one-month probation. Many of your comments continue to denigrate others and occasionally the authors. Until I see satisfactory improvement, you comments will continue to be filtered.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • David Kay

    In Portland Oregon last summer my son and I were at a house in the back yard looking to bid a repaint job. We had permission to be there by the owner. A neighbor called the cops saying we were trying to break in. Without warning or just cause 2 officers had guns drawn and threatened to blow our f’n heads off if we didn’t get on the ground. After a half hour of a full blown 6 cop car, swat, K-9 confrontation, the cheif came as my son and I were still on the ground and threatened us if we tried to sue or cause trouble for them. I can relate to this story. I taught my children to respect the police but I’m so disgusted now that I hate them all and forever will have the bad dreams caused by their mistake. The threated to kill me several times. How could I help but be bitter.

    • DaveH

      Please sue them. Don’t let the creeps intimidate you.

  • GunbearerM1G

    This has been going on for quite some time. I’ve even read about such an incident as early as the late 80′s, where a SWAT team has gone out of control even when they had probable cause to act. And yet, at a MacDonald’s in San Ysidro, police and SWAT seemed to be very indecisive when a madman was mowing down customers.

  • RRapidron

    I am surprised a lot of them dont get killed when they bash someones front door down for no reason-I always will let the police in for a look if they think they have a reason but they need to be announced and identify themselves or there gonna be a shoot out and they will kill me and you never know I might get lucky!

  • 101stRECON68

    Abuse of power and authority is un-acceptable by anyone in power no matter what their motives are. The Police in general have become so militarized that we should never refer to them as anything but “Enforcers”. They are no longer Peace Officers or even Police Officers that help “Defend and Protect” the populace. They have become Gestapo Storm Troopers as well as Tax collectors (Speed Traps. I was raised to respect them as their jobs were difficult to begin with. But over the years, I have lost most of that respect due to their increasing violation of people’s constitutional rights, heavy handed tactics and rude conduct and behavior. I believe they will only get worse in time but I hope I am wrong.

  • John

    to PROTECT AND SERVE is now TO CITE AND INTIMIDATE.
    I don’t know a single private citizen who has anything but contempt for police. They are simply “Union thugs with Badges.”

  • Daniel from TN

    The federal government, especially Liberals, know it has pushed the people too far and are now scared of what could happen if the people push back. That push back might take the form of civil war. That is why there are desperate and consistent attempts to disarm the people by reinterpreting the 2nd amendment and signing on to the UN Arms Treaty. It is also why NDAA was passed and why the FEMA camps have been organized. Liberals see their power base disappearing and they are scared of what may happen when it finally collapses.

  • http://AOL LIsa

    Glad I live in a county where the sheriff tells his citizens to arm themselves because the system doesn’t work. He is tired of telling people he is sorry because the system can’t/won’t hold criminals.

  • Brandon

    Maybe that it is the increase in smart aleck people and rising of crime and people who think they are above the law and the police are responding to the “Gangsta” types who think they rule the streets and I don’t think it is right of the author to blame the police. I can only imagine the amount of crap an average police officer has to take. Have you witnessed some of the bad behavior towards police officers who are doing their job? Disrespectful is the word here. No, if this is true than I doubt very much that “the people” are blameless.

  • Carol J, California

    Police harrassment is nothing new. I was almost arrested for being out after curfew when I stopped for a burger after night school. I was 18 at the time, and the cop knew I was. I watched him and his partner shove a friend into the paddy wagon a couple of days later, hitting him in the head with his night stick. It took them 25 years to put a stop to him, and by then his 2 sons were also on the force. All 3 ended up in prison for their crimes against women. How on earth did it take that long to stop him???

  • JeffH

    How many of you remember Janet Napolitano’s DHS report on “Right-wing extremism” in America. No clearer warning could have been presented by our government of what their intentions are…Waco and Ruby Ridge will become footnotes if these people are allowed to continue to operate in what they concieve as the “best interests” of the population. For those of you that don’t believe, trust government to be your “protector, the warning flags have been waving for too long now.

    The Department of Homeland Security is warning law enforcement officials about a rise in “rightwing extremist activity,” saying the economic recession, the election of America’s first black president and the return of a few disgruntled war veterans could swell the ranks of white-power militias.

    A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines “rightwing extremism in the United States” as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority and included returning military and vetrans.

    “It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single-issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration,” the warning says.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/14/federal-agency-warns-of-radicals-on-right/

  • Mike in AZ

    Google Earth Hawthorne, NV, and look at the N & NE edges of the Army Weapons Storage Facility. Those buildings are not for ammo storage, that’s all in underground bunkers. From the ground it looks just like the barracks at Auschwitz. Concentration camp far from the eyes of the people. Better ammo up, folks.

  • FreedomFighter

    Corporatocracy: The U.N.’s Anti Human Agenda with Author Rosa Koire

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqgwf3p7gnc&feature=uploademail

    It is time to get political get active locally, state and national we are being taken over

    FIGHT NOW OR BECOME SLAVES AND YOUR CHILDREN SLAVES

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • JeffH

    The full DHS Report on “Right-Wing” extremism can be found here
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/14/homeland-security-report_n_186834.html

  • Buck

    I have been saying for ten years now that the police motto went from ” to protect and serve ” to ” harrasse and intimidate ” but now it has become to ” to search and destroy ” .

  • Mark Are

    During the past twenty years, psychopaths have gained almost absolute control of all the branches of law enforcement. You can notice this if you observe carefully that no matter what illegal thing a modern law enforcement officer does, no one will really take him to task. All of the unnecessary shootings and beatings that have taken place, that were never called into question, any one of which would have caged an ordinary person on the street, are just farces played out for the public, to distract them, to make them think that law enforcement is still working.

  • FreedomFighter

    Obama Hands Over Sovereignty to UN!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUt6pAOPJ70&feature=player_embedded

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • Fred

    The largest county in California, San Bernardino, specifically trains all its deputy sheriffs on how to properly interact with people they encounter by specific training in the local jails. In these jails, there proto officers learn they are higher life forms and are embued with a differing designation–’officer’ as opposed to mere and lowly ‘civilian’
    The problem is the officers are civilians and the populace they encounter on patrol are not inmates.

  • NotSoBlind

    Welcome to the rosy path that is the aftermath of the war on drugs and war on terror. All the despot rulers are getting the last laugh

  • http://yahoo.com ted

    what a bunch of crap. for one thing tasers,pepper spray were not always with the police dept.would u rather be shot.and guess what cell phones with cameras or vidieo are everywhere now. the police do i fine job in my city. its bad enough the police have to deal with criminals daily and have a vidieo filming them looking for one wrong move. also shoot all the pit bulls so the police dont have too. with all the terrorists in the world u better hope the police pay more attention to everyone.

    • DaveH

      You mean the terrorists that our Leaders have incited with their hegemonic meddling in countries around the world?

  • George B.

    This is all crap. The police are trying to enforce the law and maintain order. The criminals,(Those breaking the laws ) resent authority. There are a few in law enforcement that over step their authority but they are the exception. If you do not have order, chaos follows. The situations require certain responses, so expect them. We Americans who obey the law appreciate law enforcements effort to control the situation. Criminals don’t. Gibberish like this only helps the criminals and Republicans. God save the United States of America.

    • joan price

      George, I can assure you that those of us who have a beef with the police are not just criminals trying to get away with wrongdoing. I have never so much as had a parking ticket in my past but the police came after me without regard to the fact that they were responding to a false police report.They should have evaluated the situation and they would have seen that I was too ill to be doing the things I was accused of.

    • DaveH

      “Gibberish like this”?
      You mean like that in your comment, George?

  • joan price

    The local police in Brookfield Il are gestapos. I am 73 years old and in very ill health. Recently after having surgery the police came to my home and demanded that my daughter get me up from my sick bed. I was on Dr.ordered bedrest. I was issued two “disorderly conduct “citations as my neighbors said I had called them a name. I have had a nasty relationship with my neighbors for years as they have tried to chase me from my home. They have been violent with me and destroyed my property. Recently they have stooped to attempting to poison my dog. The police will do nothing to them They come after me as I am easy. An elderly very sick woman. They are not going to take on a 30 something male that would be hard to take down. Bad police work!!!

  • OLD STAR PACKER

    Apparently this is the anti-police web site.
    No police forces huh?
    So when you are out numbered on a dark street call your neighbor, that doesn’t know one end of a firearm from another, to save you.
    Some of you people make me want to barf.
    You bitch and complain about LEO’s until you are attacked and want us to protect you. All active and retired LEO’s are Defenders of the Constitution. I suspect that some of you whiney ‘a$$ wholes’ are not
    all upstanding Americans. NEXT TIME YOU NEED A COP CALL A DOPE DEALER, RAPIST, ETC.
    WHAT A BUNCH OF MORONS.

    • JeffH

      OLD STAR(?)PACKER says, “Apparently this is the anti-police web site.
      No police forces huh?… All active and retired LEO’s are Defenders of the Constitution.”

      1 – you would have been better served to say “anti-police state”

      2 – If you believe that “All active and retired LEO’s are Defenders of the Constitution.” you are delustional at best. There are LEO’s that are bad apples and of course there are plenty of examples to be found…what is unfortunate is that those that do take their oath seriously and truly defend the Constitution are badly damaged by those that don’t…aren’t there exceptions to every rule?

      3. Police have no legal duty to respond and prevent crime or protect the victims. There have BEEN OVER 10 various supreme and state court cases the individual has never won. Notably, the Supreme Court STATED about the responsibility of police for the security of your family and loved ones is “You, and only you, are responsible for your security and the security of your family and loved ones. That was the essence of a U.S. Supreme Court decision in the early 1980′s when they ruled that the police do not have a duty to protect you as an individual, but to protect society as a whole.”

      (1) Richard W. Stevens. 1999. Dial 911 and Die. Hartford, Wisconsin: Mazel Freedom Press.

      (2) Barillari v. City of Milwaukee, 533 N.W.2d 759 (Wis. 1995).

      (3) Bowers v. DeVito, 686 F.2d 616 (7th Cir. 1982).

      (4) DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, 489 U.S. 189 (1989).

      (5) Ford v. Town of Grafton, 693 N.E.2d 1047 (Mass. App. 1998).

      (6) Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. 1981).
      “…a government and its agencies are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen…” -Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App. 1981)

      (7) “What makes the City’s position particularly difficult to understand is that, in conformity to the dictates of the law, Linda did not carry any weapon for self-defense. Thus by a rather bitter irony she was required to rely for protection on the City of NY which now denies all responsibility to her.”
      Riss v. New York, 22 N.Y.2d 579,293 N.Y.S.2d 897, 240 N.E.2d 806 (1958).

      (8) “Law enforcement agencies and personnel have no duty to protect individuals from the criminal acts of others; instead their duty is to preserve the peace and arrest law breakers for the protection of the general public.”
      Lynch v. N.C. Dept. of Justice, 376 S.E. 2nd 247 (N.C. App. 1989)
      http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1976377/posts

    • 45caliber

      Old:

      If I’m outnumbered on a dark street, calling the police won’t save me. Not when it takes up to 30 minutes before they respond. Besides, the police aren’t responsible for protecting me – the courts said so. I’ll take care of it myself as best I can.

    • DaveH

      Old Star says “So when you are out numbered on a dark street call your neighbor, that doesn’t know one end of a firearm from another, to save you”.
      Or we could call the Police who are several minutes away when we have seconds to live. Police get there in time to pick up your body and fill out the paperwork.
      What a MORON.

  • Antonio

    I have no comment… this just pisses me off!!
    good luck to all of you when the time comes…

  • Akicita

    CAUTION: Do not paint all police departments or officers with the same brush. This article presents numerous examples of police excesses and no one will deny they do occur far too often and more frequently than in past. Also occurring much more frequently than in the past is the wanton assault and killing of police officers by criminals who are becoming more brazen and willing to shoot or attack the police. Is it little wonder police demand immediate compliance in order to get control of a situation until it can be straightened out? Most officers are very cognizant of a person’s rights but remember they probably don’t know you from Adam. They don’t know you are a good guy until they take measures to be sure that is what you are. I do agree such measures must be reasonably conducted without use of any more force than absolutely necessary under the circumstances. Most officers will agree that those who overstep their authority should be removed from the force. Keep in mind that most of the people they deal with are NOT good guys and if given a chance they will try to harm the officer in order to get away or attempt to continue with some criminal activity they may be engaged in or planning.
    Yes, mistakes are made, some with very tragic, irrevocable results. Whether intentional or not, this article makes it appear that all police are out to commit violence against everyone they come in contact with or go around seeking victims they can beat up and that is simply not true. Nearly every Officer serving would much prefer peaceful and non-violent resolutions to any situation but in today’s world of violent crime and criminals they must protect themselves from potential attack.
    The article makes no mention of the thousands of officers that literally risk their very lives, and too often give them, trying to protect or rescue someone they have never even seen before because that is the job and oath they took, “To Protect and Serve” the people of their particular community, state or country.
    If you have never served in law enforcement yourself, be very careful about rushing to judgment when you really have little or no concept of what it takes to serve in that profession.

    • Teresa M.

      Very thought provoking, however the corruption in policing themselves and the coverups in cases involving abuse of authority have lead us to the situation we have today. When a good cop stands silently by while another abuses the authority he is just as guilty in my opinion.

    • DaveH

      Akicita says “killing of police officers by criminals who are becoming more brazen and willing to shoot or attack the police. Is it little wonder police demand immediate compliance in order to get control of a situation until it can be straightened out?”.
      The real criminals who want to kill the police won’t be stopped by their demands for compliance. They only create potential future killers by treating decent citizens like scum.

  • les

    more and more and more of Republican lies and attempts to deceive the public. first you post the story about sherrif Joe and now this story. What,s the difference here.Isn,t this another police intrusion?Real conflict here.When will the people see through you republicans and your lies. You have got to go so the rest of we average Americans can live. Why not check our sherrif joe too? What,s this neanderthals IQ. Also your story on global warming is BS. Whats wrong with wanting to protect are earth and whats wrong with redistriubing some of the weald back to the people they took it from, like the Koch bros, have done. I,m all for protecting my planet and all lfe on it. This Bob livingston must be on their payroll or one of the 1% republicans. People don,t believe their lies and don,t vote for them. You owe it to this country.

  • Rooster

    This violence is a natural progression of radical socialist/communism. Obama is the reason. As the so-called president shreds the Constitution every time he speaks or passes down some lawless edict, it empowers those who love power. The old adage, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Obama is corrupt as decaying meat. As Obama continues to usurp the law and the Constitution, his power and influence grows. As his power grows, he intentionally and purposefully inflames the passions of those bent toward violence and lawlessness, as with the OWS crowd. Now we are seeing it in law enforcement. If the Dictator/Traitor-in-Chief can do it, so can we, says the jackboots. Obama’s police state is upon us. We either cower in passivity and allow it to spread and grow in strength or we stand up and fight back.

    • Karolyn

      Rooster…”Obama is the reason.” WHAT? Crap like this has been going on for many years. You really think it just started since Obama became pres? Of course, now the word gets out faster and farther, so we are seeing it more.

  • Dr. smith

    When the people fear their government, there is tyranny.
    When the government fears the people, there is liberty.
    – Thomas Jefferson

    I thought Jefferson said that?

  • Dave Jeanes

    Bob, I thought I was the only conservative that saw this problem. Thank you for changing that perception.

    Dave J.

  • TIME

    OMG, Bob, man you have hit the big nail on the head.

    Saddly the vast amount of Americans have been sold a bill of goods that stink to the high heavens when it comes to the Police. You know about being safe, or feeling safe. But really what are you safe from?

    A question anyone should ask is why would any town, city or state need a SWAT TEAM?
    How would crime fair if every home had owners who were trained in the use of guns living within them?

    Ask yourself who’s a bigger CRIMINAL a drunk kid or a POLITICIAN in a $3500.00 Italian tailiored suit?
    Lets look at who really cost you money let alone {takes away your freedoms and rights?}
    Lets Just add up the numbers, lets see $16 Trillion dollars so far plus the 2012 numbers will add yet $1.39 Trillion more to the Nations deep dark hole of dispair.
    Just where did all that money go again?

    Well we just hired 150,000 new IRS agents, also 125,000 new FEMA agents, and why was that again?
    Oh and just last month 50,000 more BATF agents. And just how odd that the NDAA was passed on December 31st 2011, just in time to add even more FEMA agents to the growing roster of US Inc Merks.

    As on May 2012 there will be 12,000 Drones flying over your towns watching everything you do, and hey by 2013 that number will be well over 30,000.
    Hey in downtown Oysterbay NY they have the new light poles that can hear every word spoken within a 100 foot range. Oh hell its all over Long Island now, hey are they in your town yet?
    On the radio its the old “IF YOU SEE SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING.” Plus Add in all the billboards and your in Police State 1984 and growing.
    Hell our POLITICIANS have done Orwelll proud!
    Oh wait they could never have never done it without your help, so hey you all pat yourself on the back, damm good job there people.

    Also please do keep in mind that now YOU can be shot dead or placed in PRISON with the NDAA ACT, hey by the way thats for no reason at all, as in just breathing air or walking down the street, or perhap you just look funny. Whats wrong with that equation?

    Yet how many of you still you adore the real CON Artist Like old Mitt or Barry O, or the Newt, all one in the same, yes they who have taken over the whole damm system for your own safty.
    Hey it was old Newt that gave you all the special PC issue anyone want to thank him or will you just support him like a good little NAZI should.

    Guess what people now we are all CRIMINALS, yes that means all of you!
    Yet many of you are still complaing its a gang banger, a pot smoker, a guy who lost his job and stands on a underpass with a sign, will work for anything Food money what ever.

    It’s not going to be long before your neighbor reports you for having a gun, or having food stored up, or just due to your not being someone they like.

    Welcome to hell Do you still feel safe?

    Oh I know there are so many of you that still think ” it can’t happen here,” yea that and a dollop of Crap is still a wad of crap.
    Get over it. Its a bloody done deal and we are all 100% GUILTY.

    Never let any MAN hold power over you.

  • Marine72

    How is that union lead abuse squad doing for everyone now. Same as the LA USD teachers union protecting perverts. The police unions do not advocate professionalism, instead they like their teacher brethren protect the bad apples and then we are amazed that the good Police Officers and Teachers no longer care and in effect aid the bad ones.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/the-violent-militarization-of-local-police DocnChaos

    We still have our Guns but,,,no one is shooting back.
    Whar is all the fight about…(To keep our Guns) If not to fight the Tyrany. Wake up America, use the weapon that your Constitution has give you the right to use.

    • DaveH

      The pen is mightier than the sword.
      What a despotic Government fears most is consensus among the citizens that they are indeed despotic.
      And wiser minds are likely to result in a lot better outcome than violence generally leads to.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/the-violent-militarization-of-local-police DocnChaos

    Remember; Google – “Normalcy Bias, before it to late.”

  • Steven Jokinen

    Two Sides I agree with you but there is three sides of every story. Your side, my side then there is the truth. In most cases an intelligent Law officer can tell the difference between each type of person. But in some cases he or she can not. Once a person is labeled as a hostile then everything he or she says after that is suspect. If a law enforcement person has read a person incorrectly then there is no hope for the person truthful or not. That is the shame of the internet as well once a law enforcement puts a note on a person file (incorrectly) then they have to live with it for life. Where is the truth? Innocent until proven guilty? By law through the supreme court the police department are not out to protect us only to enforce the law as they see fit. Some just don’t know and that where some of the problems come from as well.

  • Robert Beasley

    There has been a long history of police being violent towards citizens. They have the highest divorce, alcholism,and sucide rates of anyone. They hold a very low reguard for the general population. All they see is the worst bottom feeders there are. But, having said that they have no excuse for some of things that have occurred. We had a local sheriff transportsting a prisioner to jail when he began to act up in the back seat of the patrol car. So the sheriff pulled over and he said after a brief scuffel was shot and killed all the while still handcuffed behind his back and still seated in the patrol car. There was a investigation and the gran jury did not indite him. Its called being no billed. I guess he went back to work. How would you like to be pulled over by this guy? Another deputy stopped a suspected DWI driver after trying to give a field test the driver began to run around and acting out. The deputy shot and killed this man saying he was in fear of his life. He too, was no billed. There was no weapon of any kind involved in this incident. These two deputies were on duty. Let me tell you about a off duty situation. A city policemen was home and got another dispute with a neighbor. They had been involved in a long running neighborhood dispute. As I renember there were garden tools involved but were not being used as weapons. The officer shoots and kills this man also. By the way, the city officer was having a affair with the wife of the man he killed. Again, there was no inditment. As far as being miltarized, this has been going on for a while now. Some of the depts around here are wearing BDU pants. The K-9 handlers, CRT officers, voilent warrent officers, Now they are going to BDU and tactical pants bloused inside of combat boots,instead of metal badges and name tage they are going to sew on type, like the miltary type. Thiegh holsters nylon gear. These govts at every level are out of control. The disapproval rate is at 83% for the federal govt. If there is a outbreak of hostilities inside of the United Startes I don’t know that any type of law enforcement could even begin to address that type of situation. If you count all law enforcement at every level ther are not enough to be effective. Remember ther are 300 million residents here. If only half fight that is a very large insurgentcy to deal with. Anyway, as for me the only way I would go to any FRMA came is feet first. If you really want to get the hell scared out of you go to the miltary channel and watch the rise of Hitler segment of the series the world at war. Then watch what is going on in Washington, D.C. If there is a reelection of President Obama I think he will go off on this country like no one ever has. Check out the movie Defience with Danal Craig. That very well may be a look around the corner. If there was some place to go, I would all ready be there. If I ever see a flying soccer land, he will be soccer jacked. All I want to see of this planet from that point on is a tiny speck of light that only could be seen with a trillion power teleccope. Buy food, ammo and be ready to fight for your way of life, because there is no where to run. If I see a mushroon cloud rising up from my city the last thing I will say before being vaporized is our govt. did this. God bless…………….

    • DavidMcDonough

      Too vary True!

  • Jerry

    These are not Obama policies, these are localized Republican right wing or Fascist ideologies. This web site is ignorant bull!

    • JeffH

      Jerry, that was quite a contribution…NOT! I suppose you could provide more than your opinion to support your statement…right?

    • FreedomFighter

      Here you go Jerry:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs&feature=related

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • DavidMcDonough

      Obama and democrat lap dog.

    • DaveH

      Name a single purge in the 20th century that wasn’t initiated by a Socialist Government?

  • bernie

    well here is something that will make you sick it is a new bill HR 4646 IT IS A SNEAKY NEW TAX OF 1% EACH TIME YOU PUT MONEY IN YOUR BANK OR TAKE MONEY OUT S.S.CHECKS THaT GO IN ANY MONEY OR CHECKS 1% over a year that is a —- load of your money HAPPY TRAILS

  • eddie47d

    Your Injustice Everywhere site indeed shows there are different rules of behavior for police when they commit a crime. Even when burglarizing a home,drunk driving or even rape. There are “persons of trust” laws throughout the country such as with teachers,priests,cops and so forth yet the police get a free pass on crimes committed. Shouldn’t they be more severe?

  • jimmy the greek

    Pay backs is the only way to get even .

  • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

    To all of you in the LALA USA, and, your history books still refer to us Indians AKA Native Americans as “Uncivilized Savages”. You are reaping all that you have sown.

    • DavidMcDonough

      Too True!

    • Deerinwater

      Chickens are coming home to roost. Newtons Law, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

    • DaveH

      Not what we have sown, WIA — what are Leaders who speak with forked tongues have sown.

  • DavidMcDonough

    “SWAT teams argue their safety requires” This is the problem. When they started getting big money and authorization to steal peoples money and property under the guise of asset forfeiture. We let them become thief’s. And to justify they have become liers too. It started when they could not get enough applications and started dropping the intelligence requirements and the razing the minimum weight. Then lowering the physiologic standards. I say reestablish the standerds from 30 years ago and fire all the fat lazy and small of mind.
    Abolish the USA Patriot Act and the National Defense Authorization Act and the T.S.A.!!!

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Whatever!

    What a bunch of crap! Thank you for feeding the propaganda machine that the police are the “bad” ones. You obviously have absolutely no idea what police officers and deputy sheriff’s have to deal with on a daily basis. How about interviewing a police officer/deputy and getting the facts about what their job entails instead of spewing absolute garbage. I guess doing reasearch on an actual topic before writing an article would be too much work.

    • Deerinwater

      My feeling as well and glad you said it. For every bad police officer there is 50 really good ones.

      While I do think they are currently over arming today. But with 9 11 and the Gun nuts hiding behind every dark corner, people talking about overthrowing government, the rancor , the threatening posture, we’ve brought much of it own ourselves.

      Just like the Nam Vets coming home with PTS, and a belly full mean, for some men, Killing is hard to stop and they know how.

      The guns and ammo that are available to anyone are extremely deadly anymore. The market is bursting at the seams with guns that are good for nothing more then mowing down people. They are not pretty, or of fine high quality craftsmanship, they are not for sport or game. They are for fighting your way out of a tight spot with maybe a 30% chance of surviving it.

      Whatever you pull out, inside 60 minutes somebody will produce something bigger. You’ve got maybe 60 minutes to make some wise decisions and figure a way out or die.

      The only way to address a government threat is to organize and engage the process at the polls or be like Syria today.

      I strongly support the 2nd amendment, but it not a “throw down” piece where you can pull out Mr. Nasty and do your handy work and then run and hide out somewhere.

      Government knows that you are armed, and they are responding to it.

    • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS in Australia

      I know what you saying is right, but when your police annoy so many people who commit rather minor offences, you would expect people to turn feral. PRETTY MUCH AS dR rON pAUL TALKS ABOUT HIS FOREIGN POLICY OF KEEPING OUT OF MEDDLING IN OTHER COUNTRIES RELIGIOUS ACTIVITIES OTHERWISE YOU ARE CREATING ENERMIES …THE SAME APPLIES TO SOME MINOR EXTENT TO THE WAY YOU GENERALLY TREAT YOUR CITIZENS ON THE STREETS.

      Your police members do deal with a lot of crap and some of your own doing, when you annoy people who commit minor violations yet you are too scared to run after the real drug dealer supplying culprits because you fear they might kill your families and I can understand the issues at hand, but to pick on minor offenders who cant afford expensive lawyers to defend themselves …your assisting in keeping them in the poverty trap and consequently they will promote themselves into a higher levels of criminality. One could assume that police are trying to protect their jobs by creating more criminals…but I dont blame the policemen and women totally…i blame your political system, your congressmen and your superiors who just have no sympathy for reality or any idea of how to treat their poorer citizens.

      Yeah, sure there are lots of scumbags your going to be stuck with to deal with I would not want your job for $millions, but you must logically realise that your system of law enforcement is not working. But what are you doing about it? NIL

      I have experience in the Justice Dept and the Sheriffs Perin Court system in Victoria Australia and more recently in dealing with the welfare recipients who need accomodation and I deal with many streetwise mainly single men who rely on govt welfare but also need extra charity because of their addiction to expensive Jack Daniels and Coke cans, cigarettes or dope purchases which even I find hard to police on my properties.

      Government welfare offers these people enough to pay rent and food and some minor clothing, but not a lavish lifestyle, yet many of these people still go to Charities like St Vincents de Paul and others to get food and other benefits, just so they can continue to live the life they had become accustomed to by buying expensive addictive products. due to our silly privacy laws I would not really know what type of lifestyle most of these men have lived prior, some may have been petty criminals, others become poor due to abuse of their partners and kicked out of their homes after divorce, loss of jobs due to their difficult personalities and generally at war with their own families, they are society rejects and many are habitual liers. Some have minor or major mental health issues which again they become family rejects and we get some on them even when we dont wont the worst. I do not conduct a charity I operate a business which even the governments are making it harder for the Rooming House industry to continue in with all their silly regulations which if they continue as they are…i’ll be moving into the tourist business instead of putting up with other peoples rejects.

      Luckily in Australia no-one can really claim to be poor when government welfare and $58.50 pw rent assistance is rather good compared to in the USA, yet we still have petty criminals trying to get more freebies. In Victoria alone the State government owns 78,000 homes and apartments which house the so called poorest and they only pat 25% of their income which some only pay about $85 pw rent in rather good quality government maintained accomodation, yet the waiting lists continue to grow…another silly government generated industry in Australia which is one of the richest nations.

      Some people not only expect the government to give them free money for their living expenses but also expect the landlords to give them free lodgings and so we make lots of enermies despite the fact we provide them with shelter when no-one else will…even the Salvation Army dont wont them and try to pass them on to us by withholding important information about their dangerous mental health issues..so I now reject all Salvo referrals as in Australia at least…they deal and assist the worst criminals which we certainly dont want also. Funny thing is lots of Christians donate money to the Salvos who use that money for the benefits of the worst criminals and their families…a total missapriation of charitable funds in my view.

      So to some degree I can understand what your police have to deal with, as I advise all applicants that I will supply a list of all residents to the local police every month in the event they wish to conduct criminal activities on my properties or they wish to hide from the police…they best not decide to live in any of my premises. That is one of my main means to maintain the disapline to ensure most of my house rules are complied with if they wish to continue in my good quality accomodation apart from paying the rent on time.

    • Kender

      @whatever. Fine by me. With one caveat, when, not if but WHEN your turn comes, take it like a man and don’t come cryin’ about how right you are, or how you didn’t do anything wrong, don’t be complaining. Because your own words will condemn you, and it will serve you right, OK?

  • Vicki

    For those who are convinced that Bob L is just making it up try watching Criminal Minds sometime and see how they handle suspects. Then should you think that is just Hollywood writers try watching “COPS” and see how the police behave in RL.

    There ARE good cops out there. They deserve our support. They need to step up and join OathKeepers and re-declare their allegiance. By their actions we shall know them.

    • JeffH

      Vicki, couldn’t agree more…as for Oath Keepers, I am very impressed with their organization and did join up last year.

  • moonmac

    Cops will even arrest you for playing fetch with your dog at an empty 50 acre park if you don’t have your state issued picture ID on you when they come to give you a ticket for leash law violation. Never mind it’s 90 degrees out and your shorts don’t have pockets. They don’t care. Then they put your dog in the pound so they can kill it before you get bailed out!

  • Carl Spitz

    Carl I believe your coment about Law Enforement is way off base
    I am not or never have been an officer but I have taken the time to
    ride with them for several weeks and have come to see just what they
    have to deal with every day. Until you spend some time in the field
    with them and I do not mean just a couple of nights I mean several weeks you will not really see what they go through. several years ago Fireman was the most dangerest profession now it is Law enforcement so untill you walk a mile in there shoes do not throw stones at them.

    • Antonio

      Sounds like you have a lot to learn. Unlike you I was a police officer in my home country; so I know all about the jazz man. What you have not figured out yet is that the police have no right to be harassing people for at least 75% of the things that they harass/arrest people for. They harass people for walking down the street. They harass people for riding a bike. They harass people for having a gun/knife. They harass people for throwing a Frisbee a damn beach, yes seriously. They raid houses and shoot and kill dogs and people and then say “oops wrong house”. No sir, you are wrong. Police are in the wrong, law enforcement has blown WAY out of proportion all for enforcing UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS. I for one will be throwing a lot more than stones…
      I will advise you to take a ride through the constitution and bill of rights and I don’t mean just a couple of nights, do it for several weeks; so that you really see whats going on…
      good luck!!

  • ronnie

    lol just as i thought for a long time just the other day the police dressed in swat uniforms kicked in a helpless womans door and scared the life outta her looking for a nonvoilent person with all them guns drawn on her. The person who was drawn down on was my mother, she pleaded whit them a holes that she knew nothing of what they were talking about are doing kicking down her door i ahve allways said Policemen and Women are the new Gustopo, Strom Troppers ,and Nazis this is not a under statement here they need no reason to pull you over driveing your car the power these people have to ruin your life is remarkable to me and they do it and go home and sleep like its nothing..I allways say you cant trust a man that takes a vow to arrest his own Mom if he are she thinks she broke the law..Oh and if anyone thinks ahh it dont bother you just be clam they are working on a law to insnare you so just keep going thru life thinking it dont bother you one day you will get caught up in it then what you going do look at them D.W.I laws Child Pron laws these laws are predicataded on some thing you might do think about it people

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest David Jackson

    How about spraying pepperspray overhead of a crowd of shoppers in a Walmart because the officer thought ( his opinion ) the crowd was getting out of hand . Witnesses state the situation wasn’t bad enough to warrant his actions . One arrest was made as a result ( the guy arrested was hard of hearing ) and he didn’t understand the officer’s request . The case went viral and most that viewed it felt the cops went to far !

  • Jimbo

    One thing that should be pointed out is that there are still a lot of good, decent cops out there who are protecting and serving.

    But I have seen some things in the newspapers and on television which makes me think we are not recruiting the best people into our police forces. One of my co-workers, who had tried out for our local police force, dropped out when he realized most of the other recruits were just thugs and criminals in their earlier lives.

    And I never understood why SWAT teams are allowed to cover their faces. Is it to avoid responsibility for wrongdoing?

  • AZRanger

    After reading many of these posts discussing the concept of “what do we do now???,” and if you want your 2nd Amendment or even 1st Amendment rights, then one must vote for either this candidate or that candidate, but certainly not BO. Now, just to be clear, I won’t vote for a Communist either, but does ANYONE here understand what truly protects your rights under the Constitution?
    Our founding fathers were wise enough to understand that if one man, or one political position or office, or statute law, or branch of government, etc was to be responsible to protect those rights, that they would ALWAYS be in danger of any of those entities deciding to take them away, for whatever reason.
    The reason that the Constitution starts with “WE THE PEOPLE” in all caps, is that the responsibility for protecting our rights stops and starts with the citizens of this country! We are responsible to see that ALL of the provisions of the Constitution are adhered to by every political figure, whether at the state, or the federal level. I am referring to every provision of that document. If you don’t understand it thoroughly, then pick it up and read it. Study it, and learn just what was meant when they wrote it! It is not hard to understand.
    Politicians, lawyers and scholars will tell you that you need massive degrees and higher education (a Constitutional Scholar) to understand what they wrote, but I say that they lie! The US Constitution was grade written during a time in this country when the majority of the population could not read above a 3rd grade level, and many were only able to write their name on a document, if that! So, how did they understand what was written? The language was written simply enough that when it was read aloud, EVERYONE of a competent intelligence was able to understand it!
    My point is just this! Quit wringing your hands and saying that we must win an election to protect our rights. Our rights supercede ANY election! Our Constitution is protected by you and me, and when ANYONE does anything that the people of this country determine violates the provisions of that document, it is our responsibility, naye our obligation, to remove that person, BY WHATEVER MEANS ARE NECESSARY, and that includes force of arms! Why do you think that the Constitution says that EVERY citizens is part of the militia up to age 45? That causes every man to be a part of the solution, and not dependent on others to solve the problem for him! We all, and that means each of us, is to take personal responsibility to ensure that the provisions of the document are adhered to, BY ALL. And when any politico, or other person violates those provisons, we are to take action. But, not as a mob. This is the point of having a militia to be subject to a Constitutional Civil Authority, and when one is absent, then the citizens are responsible to create said authority, and then take what ever action is necessary to restore the “Rule of Law” within the area affected! These civil authorities have been traditionally called Commmittees of Safety, and every state, every county, and every community needs to form one; and in this fashion, WE THE PEOPLE, are then able to effect the proper restraint on the community that acts as the ultimate check and balance against tyranny!
    So, get up, get out, and get off your duffs, and take individual personal responsibility to enforce the provisions of the Constitution. Believe me, there will be those who will attack you for doing so. Understand this! I mean, they will be willing to use force on you in order to continue their tyranny against the citizenry, and if you are not willing to stop them, then you have gotten just what you deserve. We are now at a time in our history as a people where we will each of us either stand up and be counted, or we will have thrown away the blood sacrifices made by all men of freedom past; and be entered into the dustbins of history. Just another failed experiment in individual liberty. And, all because “WE THE PEOPLE” were too concerned with our creature comforts to take the chance of losing them for freedom’s sake. If that be the case, then Ben Franklin was right when he said; “….a Republic, ma’am if you can keep it!”

    But, I believe that in each of us beats the heart of a Patriot, if only we can find the means to release it! It will involve sacrifice on a massive scale, because we have been asleep for so long. But each man must determine for himself the path he must take. Just remember that the path you take involves not only this generation, but those who aris ye still to come, and that is the weight of history which each of us must now bear. You now can decide. You can choose to die on your feet with your boots on, or you can choose to live on your knees! You can choose to grasp LIBERTY and take back what belongs to you, or you can choose to let it slip from between your fingers, and live it subjugation to tyranny! It is your call!
    It is your right to choose. After all, you are a citizen of the United States, the once greatest bastion of freedom the world has ever known!
    In the Spirit of AMERICAN Liberty,
    AZRanger
    Molon Labe

  • Winston Smith

    There’s a daily recap of some of the related activities at : http://twitter.com/injusticenews The daily emails are pretty scary!

  • ScottieG not a fan

    Hmmm… is that a Photo of a Minneapolis Officer? If this is the Jenkins video pulled over a drunk driver. He asked him to step out of the vehicle, he refused so he opened the door and the suspect went crazy. Numerous other officers were dispatched. The suspect was severely beaten. That was wrong but it was not the officer that initiated the stop, it was a dozen officers that had to get their hits, kicks and otherwise unneeded force. None of those officers were reprimanded. Another kicked, tased and hit a suspect while he was spread eagle, although 15th in reported brutality she received NO discipline. That is over 10 that should have been terminated but are still on the force.

    This article is very slanted. Officers have always been hated by the public unless they need them. Then they aren’t there fast enough, don’t do enough or are not competent enough to handle the situation. Yes, there are plenty of bad cops out there. They are not the ones that get reprimanded.

    No one should look at a dash cam video and read it at face value. What a dash cam will not show: What happened prior to that cam being activated? What was he doing prior to the video? What transpired prior to the video? Many Officers who themselves activate their dash cam to capture the event in case something goes awry are being persecuted by the media and terminated for doing their job because of the lack of data prior to the video. An Officer is trained to document the crime, not the arrest. Minneapolis, as I’m sure other departments pay these thugs and reprimand their law abiding officers, even though the officer involved was acting in the color of the law. One such highly decorated officer was terminated, the criminal was given $75,000.00, his attorney $50,000.00 and they sued the Officer personally for ‘injuries’. There were no injuries, there were four other Officers that took the violent, drug dealing thug and threw him off Police property (doing him a favor by not arresting him). That was not captured, nor was the slew of swear words at the officer, the slamming of his hands on the squad hood or the Officer telling this thug to get on the ground after he damaged property on the police parking lot.

    As I said there are plenty of bad Officers. Most Officers take pride in their work and firmly believe they are serving and protecting the public from criminals.

    You sited several examples that sound horrible but what was the real story? Only the officer(s) and the subjects know. Yes, many are wrongfully accused and/or brutalized however how many officers are wrongfully accused, brutalized and even shot, often to death while on duty. These incidents are briefly reported in the media. In a rapidly evolving situation sometimes things go wrong. That does not make an officer at fault. They must make a split second decision in the heat of the moment while keeping their professional composure. Police work is often not pretty. That said crime is much worse for everyone.

    As for the race card GIVE IT UP!! FACT: the majority of the minority give that minority a bad name. Why? Lack of education, lack of self esteem, the belief that everyone owes them something, the belief that they are entitled to anything they want.

    Grouping all law enforcement into the ranks of untrusted does the public no good. As does the news media, this type of reporting the public more afraid and more likely to take matters into their own hands. Not something that will end well for anyone.

  • Barbc

    I know one SWAT police officer and I would not trust him on or off the job. He has a SS attitude, so does his police officer wife. This comes from a man who did survive Nazi Germany. This Swat officer has the attitude that you will do exactly what and when he says or he will assault you.
    I wonder if the Swat teams were started for this eventual out come.

  • kevin green

    Contrary to “conservative thought Adolph Hitler was not a socialist he was a right wing fascist. Until you separate your bias from reality we will continue to slide down that slippery slope. True conservatives are but a useful tool for the fascist takeover of america. Look up ‘The Fellowship” and its ties to nazi germany who initially financed Hitler(Prescott Bush) . You right wing religious types have been played like a cheap fiddle. I dont mind your religious views or even your conservative views but I do resent your naivete. This pledge to not raise taxes is evidence of the vastness of this conspiracy. These aint your daddys republicans. These are who Eisenhower fought against and warned us about. Our government is meant to be ran on conciliation and compromise everybody gets to have their say. And when the election is over its then time to run the country. Like I said you guys have been played.

  • Sylvia

    At my age 73 in 3 days, I feel so sorry that the young people of today do not have the experience I had, of respect for the police, and knowing they would protect. The ones I knew of were good guys. It is with a heartfelt sick feeling that I know that today,we are often lied to by our elected officials and by the very police who are supposed to protect us. God Help the USA Sylvia

  • Dan

    Vote ANYONE BUT OBAMA, Please!!!!

  • WhiteButNotWitless

    I have always been a staunch supporter of police but the last 5 years I have taken the blinders off. My husband and I have endured having our home rushed and violently entered because some rookie never turned on his over-head lights and therefore did not initiate a proper traffice stop. Followed my husband home and then put out “officer needs assistance” call which resulted in 12 officers rushing our home, putting tasers on my husband and hand-cuffing me. My husband was charged with four different offenses and me with obstructing justice, all of which were dropped by the city attorney’s office. Most recently, I called for an ambulance for my husband because he had an adverse reaction to a new medication and was agitated and slamming things around in the bedroom. Even though I let the dispatcher know that I had not been harmed or threatened by my husband and that we were not even in the same room, my husband was denied medical treatment from the EMTs by police until they had the scene secured (my husband had calmed down by then and was no longer even loud) and then informed me that they had no choice but to arrest him for domestic violence. They allowed him to be transported to the hospital but took him to jail from there. Once again, charges were dropped. In fact, the arresting officer did not even have the mettle to show up for court on the trial date. As my name says, I am white and middle class. I was an EMT and had a good working relationship with police all my life. I have always assumed that whatever a criminal gets they deserve. Now that I have faced being that “criminal” I am not so quick to judge. When people who have done nothing but pull out of the driveway of their apartment complex and get pulled over simply because of where they live, again me, then things have gotten way out of hand. And I know that this treatment has been suffered by minorities for far too long. And Scottie G and others like him, WAKE UP BECAUSE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, YOUR DAY WILL COME!

  • just amused

    Good article Bob, but its time to UNSUBSCRIBE!!! All the jail-house lawyers and pop-psychologists that frequent the comments section are too much to endure!
    I have NEVER met a cop on a social basis, that was not “sizing up” everyone around them just to see who they would HURT FIRST, ScottieG.
    I believe ALL COPS from the city PD to FBI agents believe that the people they work for ( thats US!- ScottieG.) are not to be trusted and are second-class citizens. They will all fit in quite well with the muslim-Obama dictatorship we will “serve under” when s**t-for-brains is re-elected!

  • rkz

    most of you people don’t even come close to what is being talked about. the government camps that don’t have restrooms or mess halls, the military being authorized to enter upon your property and enter your home and remove you to a government facility and keep you there for how ever long they decide. the issue about the government healthcare system that will control most of what you do, not just your health service. what property you now call your own will be under government ownership and you will be moved to communal ghettos where you and your entire family will have to live and pitch in together to even afford to reside there, and purchase food from the government with allotment cards. YES ITS TRUE, AND MUCH MORE THAN CAN BE PRESENTED HERE. ENJOY WHAT YOU HAVE NOW FOR YOUR U.S CONSTITUTION AND THE FREEDOM YOU THOUGHT YOU HAD FOREVER IS SCHEDULED TO END MUCH SOONER THAN YOU EVER THOUGHT IT COULD. ONLY ONE THING THESE thugs can’t beat, and that’s the LORD’S RETURN. THANKS BE TO GOD!

  • http://none Kenneth D. Sabic

    The militarization of police forces has been coming for a long time. It started with the unionization of most police forces. City police are isolated from the “civilians” as they like to call us, by their unions, civil service board and the FOP (Fraternal Order of Police). Incidentally the term “Civilians” is meant as a condescending insult to the “citizens” who actually pay their bloated salaries. I do not mean to imply that all police officers are bad, but far to many of the police agencies in thisn country do not have the best interest of the “civilians” at heart. The proper term for us non police is “citizen” not “civilian.” The use of the term civilian by the police means that the police are military since the opposite of civilian is military. If this is true then all police in this country that use the term “civilian” for non police would be in violation of the federal statute “Posse Comitatus” passed in 1878. This law forbids the military from arresting civilians. Think about it!

  • rkz

    Kenneth B.Sabic: You’re pretty much on the mark. What most people don’t know is, the thugs in the government have planned many-many years ago to bring all local law enforcement under the control of the “federal law enforcement” family, and it will be an arm of the government law enforcement, no longer state,county and city policeman.they will of course be assigned along with the u.n.troops who have been in our country for years, to enforce the will of the socialist government ( Not the American/U.S.Constitution) upon the people. believe it or not,it will happen if the people of America don’t stop it! LORD GOD,PROTECT OUR CHILDREN FROM THESE PESTILENT THUGS. THANKS BE TO GOD.

  • Concerned

    Apparently, Bob Livingston’s life has never been on the line every time he goes to work. Police officers risk their lives for the measly pay they get, for the public, to protect and serve. Meanwhile, thugs are trying to kill them. Of course, they become militaristic. People shooting and trying to kill you will do that.

    • libertytrain

      So it’s ok for them to just shoot and kill innocent folks because of their stress? Good line of defense. I didn’t mean to kill that child, but I was stressed….. Mr. Livingston didn’t say all police.

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Concerned,

      You apparently did not comprehend what I wrote.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS from Australia

    John Hand…I replied to your comment above about your comment about Muslims.

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    As long as we have the Criminal System used by Government… The Government will be CRIMINAL ! The War on “UNLAWFULL DRUGS” Has its Roots in Perscription Drugs; Where They are determined to be Helpful not DANGERIOUS. There is LOTS of $ Connected to DRUGS. ( Corruption is inevedable ! )
    When I read this artical: I was thinking about our Solders in Foreign Lands, Disterbing Residents, there, Bombs included… ( Could this be a back lash?) The Public are of the mind, that; It is O’K. Untill it happens to them! Some times: Atrosities are a TRAP, to the Rebelious.

  • Daniel

    Let us not forget another violent crime that police can and do commit. RAPE!! Psychiatrists agree that
    violence spill over into other aspects of a rapists life which is why DNA testing is mandatory in most states when an arrest is made.

    You can’t really think those Judges let convicted rapists walk with no prison time for nothing do you?

    What to do? It is time to make DNA testing mandatory for present and future police officers.

    This will only happen when the people speak. Contact your local politician.

    If you disagree you are probably a dirty cop.

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