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The United Warfare/Welfare States Of America

September 26, 2011 by  

The United Warfare/Welfare States Of America

America is a warfare/welfare state.

In fiscal year 2010, the Federal government spent $3.5 trillion. Warfare and welfare made up the vast bulk of the spending.

About 20 percent of that $3.5 trillion — $705 billion — went to defense and “security-related” international activities. That’s governmentspeak for nation-destroying/woman- and-child-killing-bombing/nation-building/installing-dictators-friendly-to-the-U.S.-and-paying-them-to-oppress-their-people-in-the-phony-war-on-terror activities. Out of that $705 billion, about $170 billion financed the operations in Afghanistan and Iraq (see above).

(As an aside: The war in Iraq has been going on for 21 years, the war in Afghanistan for almost 10. Perpetual war is the norm.)

Social Security received another 20 percent of the spending pie. About $707 billion went for retirement benefits for 34.6 million workers and 19.5 million spouses and children of retired workers, surviving children and spouses of deceased workers and disabled workers and their dependents.

Medicare, Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) consumed about 21 percent of the budget, or $732 billion.

Another 14 percent — $496 billion — went to other safety-net programs like Supplemental Security Income (SSI), food stamps, school meals, low-income housing assistance, child care assistance and other social programs.

This means that 75 percent of the total United States budget goes to making war or paying people to do nothing. Of course, in theory, the Social Security Trust Fund is supposed to consist of money the government confiscated from workers and set aside on their behalf. But Congressional thieves long ago looted the fund, making it the Ponzi scheme that Governor Rick Perry was reviled for characterizing it as a few weeks ago.

As Perry learned, however, you’re not supposed to mention the obvious. The sacred principals of Ingsoc apply: newspeak, doublethink, the mutability of the past. War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, Social Security is flush with cash, we’re from the government and we’re here to help you, the not-war in Libya will be over in days not weeks, the Federal Reserve is not printing money.

In Washington, the word “cuts” also falls under the category doublespeak. Cuts are not cuts in the sense that regular people understand cuts. Cuts in Washington are actually no more than a reduction in growth. If something that would normally see an annual increase of — say — 10 percent gets reduced to an increase of 8 percent, the politicians cry gloom and doom at the prospect of a massive “cut” in spending.

But why would we expect the elites to cut off their largesse? After all, former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan so deftly affirmed a point I have made before: There is no chance of default when we can just print more money.

When George W. Bush entered the White House in January 2001, the Federal government had expenditures of $1.79 trillion and revenues of more than $2.03 trillion. Now, we are told that 2011 projected revenues of $2.28 trillion are not enough to fund a functioning government, even though that was more than enough 10 years ago.

The warfare/welfare state grows out of control. President Barack Obama plays the class warfare game to gin up support for stealing more from the middle class under the guise of “making the rich pay their fair share.” But no one in Washington and none of those trolling for your votes in the GOP beauty contest are proposing cutting anything from the bulk of the Federal spending (except, of course, Representative Ron Paul, whom the mainstream media and Republican Party apparatchik continue to label as a kook in an attempt to marginalize him and force him from the race).

The liberal website Alternet published an excellent exposé on why the elected elites oppose cuts in warfare spending. It demonstrates why they so fear Ron Paul.

If you are pinning your hopes on the Congressional “supercommittee” to cut the budget in any meaningful way, you are delusional at best. The entire supercomittee has been bought and paid for by the military-industrial complex. Committee member Senator Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) put any notion of military cuts to rest right out of the gate when, at a recent forum sponsored by conservative think tanks, he said, “When we had our first meeting the chairman asked, ‘Well what do we think about defense spending (cuts)?’ and I said, ‘I’m off the committee if we’re gonna talk about further defense spending.’” And Kyl gets less from the military-industrial complex than most others on the supercommittee.

Of course, any talk of cutting “entitlement” — welfare — spending is met with instant derision from all sides. Government has created a dependency class that keeps the elites in power. And its policies — combined with those of the Federal Reserve — have grown the class of those who now see no hope beyond becoming part of the dependency class.

We have a “lost generation,” according to a report by The Associated Press. Young adults entering the job market during this prolonged economic disaster are finding few job prospects but are saddled with enormous college loan debt and no way out. Their career choices are mostly limited to tending bar, waiting tables and finding odd jobs. If the slump ever ends — and it’s not likely as long as the government continues to make bad choices (see Japan) — they will be older but will have no experience in their chosen field and will be competing for jobs with new college graduates. It’s a bleak outlook for them.

Meanwhile, Helicopter Ben Bernanke continues to stoke the fires of hyperinflation with his ridiculous money-printing policies. Printing money steals the wealth of society’s producers to the benefit of the elites. It’s a hidden tax. It finds the cash you’ve stored under your mattress or in your savings account and plunders it. Few people understand this.

The elites and the MSM say QE2 and “twists” and stimulus and bailouts are the only way to end the economic disaster. Most of the mindless government-school non-educated zombies walking the streets today accept such drivel without question, bang, banging their heads against the wall in a never-ending quest for something different from what’s always been the same.

“American Idol” and “Dancing With The Stars” are what is important to them. Give them Monday Night Football and beer and chips. No more silly, boring talk of economics, the Federal Reserve, legislative bills.

Welcome to life in the warfare/welfare state. It cannot sustain itself forever. The collapse will be ugly, but it is inevitable.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • BrotherPatriot

    Excellent article, Mr. Livingston.

    Just got sumtin from Grandpa that fits into this nicely & gives me hope…

    “Hooray for Florida ! !

    I-95 will be jammed for the next month or so……..Druggies and deadbeats heading North out of Florida ..
    Florida is the first state – Hooray for Florida !!!!
    Florida is the first state requiring drug testing to receive welfare! In signing the new law,
    Republican Gov. Rick Scott said, “If Floridians want welfare, they better make sure they are drug-free.
    Applicants who test positive for illicit substances won’t be eligible for the funds for a year, or until they undergo treatment.
    Those who fail a second time would be banned from receiving funds for three years!
    Naturally, a few people are crying this is unconstitutional.
    How is this unconstitutional ?
    It’s completely legal that every other working people have to pass drug tests in order to get a J-O-B which supports those on welfare!
    Forward if you agree!!
    Let’s get Welfare back to the ones who NEED it, not those who WON’T get a JOB…..
    I AGREE 100%”

    Here is a link to an article that I found about it…

    http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2011/may/31/florida_welfare_drug_testing_bil

    Personally, I think it’s a good idea and makes sense that the money often comes from people who have to be drug tested who pay into it so why then could that money be used so freely by people who are lazy & drug addicts themselves?

    God Bless.

    • Sam I am

      This is a great idea to receive welfare. Also, in my opinion, before you receive welfare for the week or every other week (not sure how often welfare payments are provided), you should have to provide something that proves you were trying to find employment. Like, at least a document of who you called looking for work, etc. I am all for helping the desperate who would sell their left arm to find a job, but not for helping the deadbeats clearly taking advantage of the system.

      • don

        Thank You! I have been looking for 10 months and going nutz. Why don’t they make a stipulation that you have to do some public service to get your benefits , say pick up trash, and then you get your check.

        • Kate

          Utah tried that several years ago. The courts said Utah was violating their civil rights,.

        • DaveH

          They call that ‘slavery’, Don. Never mind that they’re enslaving the taxpayers.

          • denniso

            Workers pay into SS and Medicare,yet Bob L lumps them in w/ welfare. That doesn’t make much sense…We are and have been for 60 yrs, a war
            mongering nation,but we do sometimes do the right thing w/ our military might. Clinton stopped the slaughter and ethnic cleansing in the Balkans w/o spending hundreds of billions and w/o losing any American lives.
            The great white hero of the rightwingers,R Reagan,doubled the military budget,while trippling the national debt.

            Any metal hoarders out there notice what’s happened w/ thier ‘precious’ metals? Silver,down more than 30% for the month,gold down 11%…is this the bubble popping?

          • Jibbs

            denniso says:
            September 26, 2011 at 10:07 am
            Workers pay into SS and Medicare,yet Bob L lumps them in w/ welfare. That doesn’t make much sense…We are and have been for 60 yrs, a war
            mongering nation,but we do sometimes do the right thing w/ our military might. Clinton stopped the slaughter and ethnic cleansing in the Balkans w/o spending hundreds of billions and w/o losing any American lives.
            The great white hero of the rightwingers,R Reagan,doubled the military budget,while trippling the national debt.

            Any metal hoarders out there notice what’s happened w/ thier ‘precious’ metals? Silver,down more than 30% for the month,gold down 11%…is this the bubble popping?

            *********************************************************************

            Once again you missed the point and failed to read what was written.
            BTW, nice racist remark, the just can’t stop using them.
            Don’t worry, the first of the month is only a few days away and you will get your check, then you can by somemore kool-aid.

          • DaveH

            As I recall, Denniso, you are your fellow Liberals were touting the 2009 stock market gains as proof that Obama’s policies were working. Do we hear anything about that from you now that the markets are flat (compared with 2008) and fluctuating wildly (even with the big drop in value of the dollar)? All of the markets are fluctuating wildly recently as a result of all the uncertainty due to the realities of destructive Socialist policies around the world.
            The Precious Metals markets have been swinging wildly for the last two months.

          • Al Sieber

            Hey denniso, most of the gold and silver on Comex is e-gold and silver, not physical. 1 ounce physical to 500 on paper, I’ll sell you all the gold and silver on paper you want for $200 a oz. and charge you storage, what a chump!!!

          • Al Sieber

            Also expect gold to go down around $1100- $1200. it’s all a rigged market.

          • denniso

            Gold and silver are dropping because it’s a bubble that will burst.
            I didn’t say anything about the stock market,but it is still holding it’s own comapred to where it was 2 yrs ago after the crash when it bottomed out at 6700…holding around 11,000 isn’t bad,and most retirement funds and investments are almost back to where they were.

            Gold and silver are even a more emotional investment and that’s why we’re seeing them drop.

            The screwing around w/ the debt ceiling and budget items that the Repubs are engaging in to appease the dumbo tea party is what’s causing the market uncertainity,as well as the global fears.

          • DaveH

            Sure you did, Denniso. Here’s just one:
            http://www.personalliberty.com/personal-liberty-articles/the-morality-of-paper-money/#comment-55571

            You love to tout the change from the bottom, but the fact is that it bottomed after Obama was elected, most likely from the panic of investors who were wise enough to know what we were in for. And when it rose back to 11000 or so it was largely a result of the much weaker dollar, which had dropped about 1/3 in value against other currencies.

          • DaveH

            The Dow bottomed in November of 2008 at 7,552. Note that was after people knew Obama would be President.
            Then in January 2009 it had gone back up to 9,034.
            But by March of 2009 it was back down to 6,547 (below the 2008 low). Note that was after Obama had been doing his thing for over a month.
            By December of 2009 it had seemingly “recovered” to 10,420. But there was a catch. The dollar was now worth much less than 9 months earlier.
            In fact, the dollar had gone from being worth $1.58 Australian dollars in March of 2009 to only being worth $1.12 Australian dollars in December of 2009. In other words, almost the entire Down gain in those 9 months was due to a big decrease in the purchasing power of the dollar.
            Now, almost two years later, and after a 10% further decrease in the value of the dollar, the Dow is only 600 points higher (about a 6% gain), less than the decrease in the purchasing power of the dollar.
            You have to love those Liberals — NOT.

          • Altaica

            Funny how making people do crappy jobs for their welfare check is considered slavery while the rest of us that work hard for a living is not. What about those college students forced to work in fast food? I say if you are on welfare and are capable of work then you are considered an employee of the state and therefore must put in working hours. I don’t know the current state of affairs for the programs here, but I know a number of years ago the rules here were if you were receiving state aide as a single mother that you either had to work or your work was to watch the other single mother’s kids so they could work without paying ridiculously high child care.

            And I totally agree with Florida, I hope all the states institute this. Why should we be paying them to continue to do something illegal? I also think that if you have committed a serious crime you should also be ineligible for a number of years as you owe a debt to society and it must be paid in full.

        • Christin

          don,

          Gov. Huckabee said on his show Saturday night… that Welfare recipients should have to work on studies to improve themselves and their skills to better equip themselves for a JOB to get their Gov welfare check, not pay them to do NOTHING.

          • Altaica

            That’s reasonable. Either they work for the state for their checks or they go to school. Hell I’d love aide to go back to school and do my masters.

        • Nancy B

          Don -
          I’m trying to figure out how your suggestion would work. I can just see getting a call from the HR department of a large company calling to schedule an interview – “I’m sorry, but I’ll have to call you back to schedule that interview; I’m on the side of the road picking up trash right now.” Many of us who have been unemployed long-term already spend 50+ hours a week looking for work, filling out applications, traveling to job interviews out of town (at our own expense), networking in our fields, volunteering for a company in hopes of being hired when a position opens up, etc. And then there is the “normal” tasks of life, such as taking care of parenting duties, cleaning house, paying bills (or calling to beg the utility company to give you another week extension to pay the bill). Oh yeah, and collecting recylables and cashing them in so you can have the money to buy toilet paper. And spending three hours at the social services office to turn in a couple papers that you already gave them copies of last month. And trying to weed out your possessions because you know that in a couple months your house will be sold at auction, and you have no idea where you are going to live because you have no money for first months rent or deposit, and what will happen to your pets when you are forced into a trailer or motel, and how will your 6 year old handle losing all of her pets AND the only house she’s ever known at one blow? I don’t know why people think that being unemployed means that you are sitting at home doing nothing all day. I’m sure that there are some people who do that, but the majority of the people I know who are unemployed are NOT in that category. We are the former middle-class, the people who have been shouldering most of the tax burden for the past 15 – 20 years. We do not want to be a burden to our fellow citizens, most of us are ashamed to be accepting public assistance, and yet we are left with no other choices. When Corporate America decided to slash jobs so that executives could have higher bonuses or give investors larger dividends or to cut costs, they sold our society down the river. Without a strong middle-class, a modern society cannot survive.

          The solution is relatively simple – businesses need to create (or re-instate) decent paying jobs. I spent 7 years in college, have a master’s degree and 14 years experience in my profession; why should all that be thrown away so I can work for minimum wage in a job that has no future? I am willing to start at the bottom in a company and work my way back up, but very few companies want to hire a 45 year old (who has more experience than most of the management team) into an entry-level position. Competition for the few existing jobs is so stiff, that if you have been unemployed for any length of time, are over 40 (or have too many years experience), or don’t currently live in that city, most hiring managers / HR departments will kick you out of the applicant pool automatically. I recently interviewed for a job in a small rural county in Northern California, which pays about $2000 a month (the average 2 bedroom apartment in this area is about $1000/mo, so the salary wouldn’t even support a small family). Three years ago, when a similar position was open, they had 20 applicants; this year, they had over 1000. I worked for that department for four years, at a higher level position, and yet I barely made the cuts to the second interview because there are so many qualified professionals in my field who are out of work. Putting educated, experienced people to work at menial jobs is not going to save our economy. It will only lengthen the amount of time it takes for someone to find decent employment and get themselves back on their feet.

          • Mr. TAS

            Your post is incredible! Your pain and frustration is so tangible. I’m very sorry that you have to experience this grief. I just had to acknowledge you, I will pray for you. I’m sorry your child is suffering…

          • Nancy B

            Thank you Mr. TAS -

            If you were to see me on the street, you’d think “typical stay-at-home, middle-class mom”, because I try my hardest to keep things fairly normal for my daughter’s sake. However, the frustration and pain is always there under the surface, and it has to come out sometimes. Usually that happens when I hear people talking about me and my family like we are trash. I think people need to hear personal stories to realize that all this talk is not about somebody on the wrong side of town or who has made bad choices in their lives. We are the neighbors who live down the street in that beautiful house you’ve always liked, the parents of your kid’s favorite team-mate from Little League, the people who have worked hard to reach the American Dream, only to have it shatter into a thousand pieces. It took a long time for me to come to grips with the fact that this situation is not a reflection of who I am. Fortunately, I have an extremely supportive husband and a great group of friends and family who keep reminding me of the wonderful things I do have in my life.

          • denniso

            I hope things work out for you soon,and that you don’t give up hope. What most of the rightwing thinks is that anyone w/o a job or unable to work and who needs help for either a short time or for life, is worthless and not worthy of our aid. They are so lacking in compassion and caring that it amazes me when they deride fellow humans who are struggling, whie they call themselves ‘Christians’. What a joke! Huckabee is supposed to be a Christian minister…how would his role model Jesus view his appraoch to the homeless,jobless and generally lees forrtunate?

            These hypocritical,phony,Christians are themselves pathetic and worthless.

          • denniso

            And, Nancy B, best wishes and good luck to your 6 year old child!

        • Altaica

          I think also if you are job searching that should be considered as part of “working” as those job searching will be putting in a lot of hours job hunting.

          • Altaica

            Part of our problems too are that the government has made it so that companies would rather operate overseas and that has killed a lot of our jobs. We need to get our companies back here.

      • DaveH

        Sam, that doesn’t work for unemployment benefits, and it won’t work for welfare benefits. Anybody can blow job interviews. It’s easy.

      • Mark

        I also believe that those that are healthy enough to work should be working for the city, picking up roadside trash, trimming shrubs at the court house, cleaning graffiti and so on. Do that three days a week and look for a real job two days a week. That’ll probably get quite a few of the abusers off of welfare when they realize they going to work just as hard for a state check as they will for a real job.

        • http://MSNHotMail Robert Ryan

          We need to bring back an updated version of the 1930′s Works Progress Administratioon (WPA) and the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC). These projects put millions of unemployed to work during the Great Depression and-in the case of the WPA-gave us engineering marvels like the George Washington Bridge. Also, don’t buy into this hype about the Federal Deficit. Yes, we must cut it in the longer term but at present we need to stimulate the economy WITHOUT printing any more money and unleashing even more inflation. Right now foreigners are flocking to buy more U.S. Treasury Bonds in a global flight to safety. They don’t seem worried about our ability to pay our debts!

          • eddie47d

            They were mostly good programs no matter what the naysayers will says Robert.

          • daniel

            Rob, sorry to say but if you studied economics then you would understand the damage done by FDR’s policies. Yes they did put people to work temporarily. It took a war to get us out of the depression. If normal economic policies had been followed then the depression would have lasted a few months instead of years. During FDR’s terms the Fed grew at the greatest percentage in history along with its power. Remember as a mere farmer you could not produce more milk than allowed, or wheat, or corn, or as a tailor you had to charge an approved price. Now, all of the above made it to the Supreme Court under FDR by rules made by that administration. All were brought against small businessmen and farmers and if left alone would have resulted in lower consumer prices according to normal business practices.
            Furthermore, a suit was brought to the Supreme Court under FDR in which the party wanted to ensure Social Security would be treated as a trust and not touched by the government. The Court sided with the government leaving it open to be used as a slush fund then and LBJ just made it easier. Think about it. The age of retirement for Social Security was set at the average age of death for the average American. Who in their right mind would set retirement age at the same time of their death?

        • http://MSNHotMail Robert Ryan

          What we need to do is bring back an updated version of the Works Progress Administration (WPA) and the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) that put millions of the unemployed to work during the 1930′s Great Depression. In the case of the WPA engineering marvels like the George Washington Bridge-that survives to this day-were constructed. Also, don’t buy into the hype about our Federal Deficit. Yes, we must cut it in the longer term but at present we need to stimulate the economy by borrowing-at currently low interest rates-as opposed to printing even more money (the latter constituting a disastrous inflationary policy). Right now foreigners are flocking to buy U.S. Treasury Bonds in a flight to safety. They sure don’t seem to be worried about America’s inability to pay off its debts!

          • DaveH

            Yes, it’s better to make people do something for their money, but it would be even better to get Government out of it, so the work they do is productive work. With the WPA and the CCC, people felt as though they were doing productive work, so they didn’t bother to get real jobs in the private sector. But just making a person sweat doesn’t constitute a productive job. Cataloging the rocks in the desert, for instance, would make a person sweat, but who needs the output of that work? Only the Free Market can determine when a product or service is desirable by the consumers. Anything else results in misallocation of capital. When capital is taken from a productive group and given to a non-productive group, the net result is a loss to the economy.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Sam I am,
        Used to be, you had to show at least four businesses that you had tried to get a job at before you could collect your unemployment! Couldn’t be the same four places each week, either!! This was in Michigan, of all states!!! I still have one of the cards from 1980!

      • Judith Sinclair

        When I was born in 1975 I had a cleft lip and palate. I had my first surgery at 2 weeks then four more by age 16. At the age of 28 I was diagnosed with mitrovalve prolaspe and had to go on disability. Then at 31 I was diagnosed with a pituatary tumor in the brain and within 10 months I weighed 68 pounds. In 2003 I was diagnosed with Thyroid Hormone Resistance Syndrome which had apparently caused my brain tumor.I thank God that I am still alive today. Now at age 36 I have degenerative discs disease in my back that causes severe pain 24 hours a day. If I could work I would so please do not be uncompassionate on people who have to go on disability. I am in college part time online to earn my bachelors degree in Social Work so that I may hopefully be able to work this profession with my health so that I may help others. I make $674.00 per month and am barely making ends meet. I just fiqured my monthly bills for October and I will only have $100.00 left over for the rest of the month not including my prescription copays and some of my medicines that are not covered by medicaid. Sincerely, Miss. Judith Sinclair Oklahoma

      • joe B

        n obody inforces the welfare requrerments there are so many recieving unwarranted funds all you have to do is watch the supermarkets and watch those who pay with food stamps what they wear what they drive up in .They buy in other names some work in other names and collect they are never found yet some who need it don’t get it and if you check you would find out how unfare it is .

    • Joyce from Loris

      I personally met a woman in Ohio who received $1000 a month in SSDI because she was a crack head. She had ten kids, from ten different men, and they were all crack heads as well, and each one received $800 a month from SSDI. They all lived in HUD houses, received food stamps and medicaid. You see, the government looks at drug addition as a disability! So, if they fail the drug test for welfare, they will just put them on Social Security Disability Insurance, and you and I still wind up paying for them!

      • Altaica

        That’s not a disability that’s a treatable addiction. I think they should be given a choice, you want aid, you can have it, in rehab. You’ll have food, a place to live and when you are done help to find a job and routine follow up testing. If you relapse off the program you go. A disability is something you can’t help, like being medically restricted by your doctor, or a mental disorder that makes it hard if not impossible to deal with and work with people. A drug addiction may make the person seem disabled, but they need treatment, and either they can accept it and get help or they can flounder along in their denial. If we are trying to fight drugs then we should not be enabling them to support the illegal trade.

    • DaveH

      Wouldn’t it be better if we just eliminated the disease rather than treating the symptoms? Get Government out of the welfare (ie, vote buying) business. Leave that to private charities where the locals really know who deserves it and who doesn’t. That would end many of the controversies (drug use, system abuse by illegals, the ‘leaky bucket’, etc.) as well as saving the taxpayers tons of money, and putting welfare recipients (those who can) back to work where they would have a much higher self-image. The resulting prosperity would give work to anybody who really wants to work.
      There is a downside. The Government administrators of the Welfare System would have to get real jobs in the private sector and become productive again, and the Politicians would have to find a new way to buy votes. Boo Hoo.

      • DonnieB

        Right On DaveH. Too many, not only non-productive but never productive people with their mouth firmly attached to the public teat!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        DaveH,
        That’s a DOWNSIDE???

    • http://personallibetyalert wilbur browm

      This is easy… to fix the welfare state, Only people who pay taxes should be allowed to vote!

      • Nancy B

        Seriously Wilbur? So, what makes you qualified to determine who can vote? Since I was 16, I’ve worked for 25 out of the 27 years, have paid my taxes, voted in every election, served jury duty, and been a good upstanding citizen. So because I was laid off 2 years ago, through no fault of my own, you think I should be stripped of my right to VOTE?!!?!?!!? That is possibly the most asinine thing I have ever heard. If I am a citizen over the age of 18, I have a right to vote, and you better be damn sure that I won’t lay down and let ANYONE threaten to take away my most precious right as a US citizen !!!!

        Read the Declaration of Independence, Wilbur! In part, the preamble reads … “all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — …. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes” So would you like to throw away just the 24th Amendment of our Constitution, or would you like to scrap the 14th, 15th, 19th and 26th Amendments as well, and go back to the good ole days where the only people who could vote were wealthy white men? Such major changes to our government are not to be taken lightly. In case you weren’t aware, our Constitution specifically states that the right to vote cannot be denied “By reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax” – (24th Amendment, 1964). In Harper vs Virginia Board of Elections, the Supreme Court stated that “a state violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution whenever it makes the affluence of the voter or payment of any fee an electoral standard. Voter qualifications have no relation to wealth.”

        I do understand your frustration that so much money is being spent on public assistance programs. It’s the same frustration I feel when I read that another major corporation is laying off thousands of middle-class workers for no other reason than to line the pockets of upper management, or that most CEOs of Fortune 100 companies make over $1 million per month, or that we are spending billions on wars, “security” and foreign aid, Personally, I’d rather see the money go to help people in our country first, and then help other countries. But, part of being a citizen of a large, complex nation is recognizing that not everyone is like you. You are not the dictator, nor am I. If you want to protest how your tax money is being spent, then take that up with your elected officials.

        It is NOT okay to take your anger out on your fellow citizens, many of whom are suffering more than you could possibly imagine. Just remember, there is NO job security for anyone these days. Your company could lose their big contract and go belly-up tomorrow, you could develop a health condition that makes it impossible for you to continue working, your boss could decide that your salary is cutting into the department budget too much and start “creating” evidence of your “incompetence” so they can fire you. In short, you or someone you love could end up in this hell-storm in a blink of an eye. What would YOU do? Turn down the unemployment insurance you are eligible to receive (which you’ve been paying into for decades) so you can be homeless, or live in your home without utilities? Turn down Medi-care when you haven’t been able to afford your diabetic medications for a year, or when your child needs to have her appendix removed (sorry honey, you’re just going to have to lie there and scream in pain – I don’t want to accept any public assistance money) ? If you are already retired, do you collect Social Security and Medi-care? If not, what are you going to do with those checks when they start coming – send them back? We all have times that we pay into our system, and we all have times that we collect from our system. The situation that I’m in is NOT my choice, and I spend 7 days a week looking for jobs, filling out applications, keeping up with developments in my field so I will be more employable; I even volunteer for an agency to keep my skills sharp, and so I will be top of the list when a paid position opens up. I am not lazy, I am not inferior. I’m a skilled professional with a wealth of experience to offer to our society, I’m intelligent, I’m a survivor, and I am not going to slink away like a dog just because mean-spirited people like you want to kick me when I’m already at the lowest point of my life.

    • Centurion

      Here’s a better idea. Don’t drug test and DON’T pay welfare. Easy, cheap, fair. Everyone works for what they want and then gets to keep it.

      • http://blessedaddiction.com KENNETH HAWKINS

        personally by this time thought we be at alpha centari

    • hitthedeck

      It would be a good thing to get the northern states to follow on adapting the Drug testing law but the crime bosses are tied to politicians and will fight the law that would take down their drug profits. The law should be a federal law because the bulk of welfare money is federal money. That would save taxpayers money but as we know politicians are blind when it comes to saving money unless its their own.

    • Void1972

      BrotherPatriot,
      That is great for Florida, but where do you think these liberal freaks are heading?
      Georgia would be a good spot, but because of the amount of minorities that already suck off the system there, they are broke. No free methadone.
      South Carolina is too Conservative.
      North Carolina has a bleeding heart liberal Governor, and Governor Perdue will do anything to build on the liberal voting base, but this is her last year.
      Between Virginia and Maryland would be another hot spot, because of the District of Columbia; obama will take good care of them, they share the same sickness.
      Delaware? Nothing to do in Delaware except drugs, and not enough to go around.
      Jersey already has more drug addicts then all of Florida, but Christie is in the process of sending them to Governor Cuomo.
      N.Y. is accepting as many drug addicts as possible to keep it a liberal state. Cuomo and the obama shared a few hits off the same crack pipe years ago.
      I think it would be a great idea to send all of America’s liberal drug addicts to N.Y. and California, along with all welfare recipients.
      Take America’s entire, useful idiot liberal population, and contain them to an east and west coast communist state.
      Both states waste hundreds of billions on welfare already and if we can contain all of our worthless freaks to two communist states, America will once again become the great land we grew up in!
      God bless America, and those who fight for her!!!!

  • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

    I have always believed this to be true and can see no way to dispute it that gov’t is not necessarily deficient compared to how expensive all of us are.

  • Angel Wannabe

    Good Article Bob!…and in addition to BP above__ when they’re finished testing people for drug abuse, before applying & receiving welfare, then lets find them work. Our leaders should have been doing this with prisoners too!
    Obama says, there is Bridges & Road work that needs to be done throughout the United States. I say why let these people sit back and collect welfare for nothing, put them to work on our infrastructure!_

    • Michael

      Hello,

      I agree with whole heartedly I personally know of individuals that sit on their ass and want the tax payers to support them Bill Clinton had the right ideas welfare to work quit having kids expecting us to support them while you sit on your asses and do nothing

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Sorry to inform you, that it was not Bill Clinton’s idea. It was Newt Gingrich’s idea that Clinton went along with.

        • Thinking About

          Clinton had worked on reforming welfare in Arkansas so explain what Newtie had to do with Arkansas.

          • Capitalist at Birth

            See below. You have a convenient memory, I guess. Or you are an Ostrich.

        • Christin

          Yes, You are right, Capitalist.

          It was the Republican Congress that forced Billy’s hand at Welfare Reform… the American People were FOR that, and Billy had to go with the Will of the People if he wanted to stay president another term.

          • http://blessedaddiction.com KENNETH HAWKINS

            newt balanced the budget build up the military welfare reform charter schools controlled union built capitalism looked for new universes all at the same time we didnt start this islamic fasism but with gods help we will finish it.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Michael, there were generations of people on welfare.(maybe they’ve since become more vigilant about this, but I doubt it) These people were coddled & care for, and a by d*nmed, guaranteed voters were born!
        Imagine that!__These elites have done the same with the blacks and other minorities, keep them down, keep the black/white/people of color, friction going non-stop and Ta-Da, another voting base.

        • Karolyn

          I was just talking to an employee at DSS here, and she said that any women who receive welfare have to be involved in some type of program. I also know that there is a limit to the amount of time they can collect; and they do not receive more money for a new child beyond a certain number. It is not quite as bad as it used to be. There are big reforms coming here to SC, where the Gov. has brought in someone from, I believe, Hawaii to revamp the whole system.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Karolyn, thing is, before anything else changes, The mind set of the “entitlement junkie” has to be changed. Once they make up they’re minds they can do something, to get out of the hole they’re in, they’ll be fine. But most people have been conditioned to believe they can’t survive on their own, so Big Daddy Guv steps in and saves the day.
            The elites are delibertly dividing us K, as in White, Black, Hispanics, Gays, Women. Its enough!_Personally I couldn’t give a d*nm what color you are. _But People need to see what the Hecks going here. The more people hand over their lives to these elites, the more they’re going to try and keep you in that rut, and if they can’t keep you down, and you do happened to be successful, they take it from you in taxes or regulate you to death!_-its ALL about POWER AND CONTROL. Ya gotta break that cycle!

      • hitthedeck

        I have known some of the same types of ass sitters! What really amazes me is that most are busy mouthing of anti American BS. They all are biting the hand that feeds them and feel justified in doing so. It would be nice to cut the so called entitlements when they make their treasonous remarks. That will never happen because liberals are self destructible and are usually destroyed by their own creation.

    • marg1

      I don’t believe it is the government’s job to “find work” for anyone. If these losers are so stupid and lazy that they don’t know how to find a job what makes you think they will be smart enough to either do the job or keep it? Face it, some people are just plain too stupid to work. It’s time for taxpayers to stop supporting these people. Let them sink or let liberals support them.

      I, am of course, talking about people who have average intelligence, not the less fortunate.

    • Dawn Noble

      I agree with you 100%. But do you see the unions allowing this?
      If the welfare people are found jobs, my, oh, my! Where will the union people work?
      The unions would insist these people become part of “THEM”.
      The unions would then hold more power than they already do.
      More and more people would be in a union. This is what we do not need.
      I am all for helping people who really need it, but they should have to answer to the tax payers since it is our $ that is feeding them.
      The only answer is forcing our government employees to abide by the rules and let free enterprise work.

      • Thinking About

        Since the subject of this article is welfare, why should union members extend welfare to those who don’t want to pay dues. Also check the ABA, AMA, Rotary Club, Lions Club and many more groups where members join together for a common cause and desired results are the same as members of AFL-CIO. Also include political parties.

    • Dick Wells

      Putting folks to work on our infrastructure can only work if they have the skills needed for those jobs which, if their welfare condition is any indication, they probably lack.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Dick Wells, well you don’t put the in-experienced on a job alone and expect anything to get done._ If they’re in prison or on welfare, then let the officials, set up qualified people with the companies who are willing to teach them the trade.__You have to start somewhere.
        But by letting welfare and prisoners(who aren’t a threat to society)sit around collecting money and pell grants, is a ridiculous waste of time and money!_-Let Em work for they’re keep!

        • Average Joe

          I have always felt that the prison system should be a self sufficiant institution. I think they should be raising their own food, gardens,cows,chickens,pigs etc; as well as growing cotton and other products (in a large enough capacity) that it can be sold to the open market to help support the prisons themselves. Other than the purchace of the property, building the prison and basic start up costs, not one dime of taxpaer money should be spent on the prison system.
          Prison is supposed to remove the “bad guys” from society and rehabilitate them to be returned to society in the majority of cases.
          What better way to rehabilitate them than to make them continue to live in a completely self sufficient system while incarcerated? They don’t work…they don’t eat…cruel?…nope…we don’t even have to enforce it…the other inmates will enforce it themselves(trust me on this). It would be akin to you comming over and eating from my garden, at the very least, you’re going home with a load of rocksalt in your keester.
          All we would need is the guards to keep them in and they can also be paid from the procceeds or sale of prison products. This can also bring back manufacturing to the US of A in a major way…since there seem to be an awful lot of prisons in this country….

          As for welfare….get them off of their lazy arses and put them to work picking up trash,mowing right of ways’ etc….someone above said Utah tried… and it was found to be UnConstitutioal….As far as I can tell…it is a contract…you want the money?…sign the contract and do the job….don’t want to sign and do the work…go away…it’s your choice………
          TNSTAAFL….There’s no such thing as a free lunch.

          There are risks and costs to action. But they are far less than the long range risks of comfortable inaction.
          John F. Kennedy

          • Angel Wannabe

            Well said Average Joe!!__I like the idea of growing they’re own food!

          • Texas_GunDealer

            Average Joe,

            We have a prison farm like the one you are talking about outside Lake Jackson, Tx. where I live. It is very self-sufficient by farming year-round (except for the 2 months here where the temp actually gets in the 30s) and their cows raised there, This year was a bad year for crops due to the lack of rain here. It requires very little tax dollars to keep it up in running and I’ve never felt like my safety was threatened by prisoner escape (most are small time thieves or wife beaters, we did have one excape during hurricane Rita in 2005 when everyone evacuated, he got to live like a king for 2 weeks until he was caught living within 20 miles of the prison.) The only inmates allowed to work outside are smaller sentence criminals or ones who have shown that they can behave (The only other ways to get free time outside the usually 30-1 hour a day is to go to the Church on the prison grounds that the local area churches send pastors or congregation members to minister at or attend classes to get their GEDs or college credits). I don’t have exact numbers on the cost of operations for the prison but I imagine they are significantly less than others in our area who don’t have a farming program.

            p.s. some of the prisoners who leave actually go on to farming outside the prison since there are plenty of those jobs in our area.

          • Texas_GunDealer

            found the site with the prison systems stats

            http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/unitdirectory/cn.htm

          • Karolyn

            Texas – Sounds like the prisons in Norway. I heard an interview last week abuot them. They even allow the prisoners sharp tools to do their work with, like axes and chainsaws. The prisoners take pride in their work and have a better chance of being rehabilitated. In the long run, it is much cheaper to have this type of prison system. In this country the majority of prisons only serve to make the criminals worse!

          • Karolyn

            I had almost forgotten, but back in 1981, at a low point, I collected welfare for, I believe, a month. It was a township welfare, and I had to work one day a week in the office to pay back. Doesn’t anybody do that anymore?

          • eddie47d

            Rehabilitation does work and is less expensive than strict confinement. The big problem is some states force them to keep their felony status throughout their life after finishing their sentences. That is a disaster for trying to reemploy.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Dick Wells,
        I’m old enough to remember the chain gangs down south. now they didn’t work on rebuilding hiway bridges, but their roads looked very well maintained!! the other thing is most of the convicts that fulfilled their sentence, usually didn’t re-offend as they didn’t ever want to go through that again!!

        • Angel Wannabe

          JoeH, That’s the deal right there, in the days of old, when you were in jail, you were there as a punishment and to serve your time!__people today are more arrogant than I’ve ever seen them. They have no fear!_Years ago while in jail, you weren’t treated as if you were in some kind of a resort! No wonder these repeat offenders don’t mind going back!

  • David

    I like Angel’s idea of having prisoner’s and welfare recipients rebuild our infrastructure. My only caveat is that in order is that we should require payment of the going rate or a living wage whichever is greater. With prisoners, we will dole out the money on a monthly basis AFTER they are released.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Who decides what a living wage is? This smacks of Control Economic ideas, does it not? Are you a totalitarian socialist? Sure, sounds like it to me.

  • CP

    I am SOOO glad to see people who HATE anyone who is disabled and on medication, or forcibly retired to draw a minimal social security just to survive. You say put them to work doing ditchdigger jobs, but honestly, how many of YOU, let alone the people you are hating on so hard, can do that kind of work? The drug testing idea is fine, but how about FORCING all lawmakers to take the same tests, and to live on the same retirement system, as those of us who weren’t so lucky as to have a few extra million laying around hidden in various “retirement” accounts. If it is good enough for the men, and women, who serve so you can talk this talk, it for sure should be good enough for you and the people who write all these laws.

    • http://Personalliberty Tony

      To Cp:
      The best post yet. Your right with your assessment!!

    • old grey haired lady

      Good thoughts CP. I hate it when they lump the social security retired in with welfare. WE worked all our lives and were forced into paying into a system that promised some retirement. Now everyone acts like the 70 year old is just sitting on their a$$ getting rich off social security. Sorry, I am old, beat up, used and tired; and quite frankly deserve to sit on my a$$. I worked hard for 49 years, never collected a days worth of unemployment and now I am somehow a leech for collecting social security. Dam, that makes me mad, and it’s not like you can live rich on social security. If I had not saved along the way I couldn’t live on it at all.

      • Sam I am

        Agreed. SS is the last thing that should be cut. Lets end all of our foolish wars before we cut social security which great seniors throughout our nation like yourself have paid into all their working lives. All of our wars costing us trillions are fought to ultimately protect us from a cause of death less than dying in car accidents (death by terrorist strike). Far more people ide on our highways in their own cars than by Al Quieda strikes, yet I haven’t seen NATO drawling up plans to bomb DMVs and car dealerships with depleted uranium rounds. After all, its all about preventing American death right?

        • Old Henry

          Sam, great post. You are right on the money.

          However, NATO would only bomb FORD dealerships…

        • DaveH

          The same thing goes for the Drug Wars, Sam. The number of deaths attributed to illegal drug usage are half that of the number of automobile accident deaths, and less than 1/4 the number of deaths attributed to alcohol usage.

          • Thinking About

            Perhaps there are more drivers than drug users. Of the number you quote, how many deaths resulted from substance use by the driver. If you are going to condemn the auto companies then we must also condemn the gun and ammo manufactures.

          • DaveH

            I condemned the auto companies? Where did you see that, TA?
            I sure am tired of lying Liberals putting words in my mouth.

        • James

          Sam, In fiscal year 2009, 36,000 died in car accidents and 37,000 died from overdoses of prescriptions drugs.

          • Christin

            James,

            Also… an average of 195,000 people in the USA died due to potentially preventable, in-hospital medical errors in each of the years, 2000, 2001, 2002, according to HealthGrades, Aug 9, 2004.

            Wonder what it is now?

          • DaveH
          • Christin

            DaveH,

            Thanks for the website… good one.

            Don’t like the stats though… about deaths due to illegal and legalized drugs, even acetaminophen causing liver failure.

            Big Pharma you’re a Death Trap.

      • Old Henry

        Absolutely old gray haired lady!

        I have posted this in the past, but here goes again.

        We need to check the records back 50 years and find out what politicians voted for any budgets that spent OUR Social Secrrity money on anything other than SS Benefits for those who paid into it.

        Once we have the names we arrest those still above ground, try them for mass theft / fraud / larceny and anything else we can think of. We convict them and publically hang them. (In front of the Capital would be great) We then confiscate EVERYTHYING they own and liquidate it. The proceeds then go into OUR SS Fund.

        Those that are dead will have assets they left behind confiscated / liquidated and put into OUR SS Fund. Digging them up and publically hanging them would be optional.

        This applies to anyone who is / has been in Congress and all presidents from LBJ forward.

        Just the Kennedy and Bush fortunes would go a long way to filling the gap.

      • Jibbs

        Sorry OGHL, but you, CP, and Tony missed the point. Go back and reread what Bob wrote and the posts that follow again.

      • moonbeam

        old grey haired lady says:

        “Good thoughts CP. I hate it when they lump the social security retired in with welfare.”

        Same here! It REALLY pisses me off to see the deserving and the undeserving lumped together in one pot.

        For instance, my sister worked for YEARS in the post office. The result? One hip replacement and the other hip needs replaced. Constant freaking pain as the bones in the other hip grind together. Yes, she now gets SS and she freaking DESERVES IT!!! She paid into that fund for years and years and years.

        The work she did in the post office office absolutely wrecked her body and she is paying dearly for it. Don’t anybody DARE to lump her in with her hubby’s brother, here from Jamaica getting SSI for a “bad back” while he sells drugs on the side.

        He’s not even a citizen of the US, yet he is raking in the dough hand over fist. He shouldn’t be getting a dime in US money, and in fact, should be sent back to Jamaica in a tin tub. Let Jamaica take care of his ass. He has been paid a lot more SS money than he has put in for the small amount of time he actually worked. Yeah, “hurt his back on the job” my ass.

      • slowbutsure62

        I feel the same way!! My husband and I were disabled from injuries from a car accident (not our fault) and our world came to a screaming halt. After 10 years, we still have immense medical and drug bills. The day of the accident our income stopped. We used all of our “nest egg” that we both had been working for, savings, and sold everything we could sell just to survive. It took 2 1/2 years for the government to approve us for Medicare Disability, and then another 2 years to wait before we cold use the Medicare insurance. When all of our assets were gone we had to resort to credit cards…and from there it continues to go.We are both on oxygen, can’t hardly move from the pain that racks our bodies, and even leaving the house is a major operation. We’re grateful for what we get from the government but it is miniscule compared to what we were earning. Would I like to return to work? You bet I would, and so would my husband, but all we see in site at the moment is eventually having to go bankrupt, give up our home of 30 years that we love, and go live under a bridge somewhere. Does the government care? No. We cannot even get help for food. Needless to say, we eat alot of rice and oatmeal The only help we get is from Social Security Disability. So please don’t classify us, either, as some sort of deadbeats. In our wildest dreams we never thought that we would live (try) out our days like this., I, myself, amd praying for Rapture. And don’t ever think it can’t happen to you. You could be driving home today and BLAM….life as you knew it could be over. Blessings to all who still have a heart and compassion for those that DID NOT bring the bad times on themselves.

        • Void1972

          slowbutsure62
          Your story is happening to thousands of true Americans.
          If you are here illegally or a minority, you can get every assistance from our tax money, but as a white American you get squat.
          The problem is our Government. In the past, American politicians and businesses were held responsible for their action. Today, the more corrupt you are as a politician or CEO, the more valuable you are to the communist that now control the world.
          I know of many sad stories like yours, and many that are even more horrifying, but until we create a force that will defeat the evil in power, the horror stories will continue and get worse.
          We must unite as one power. If the tens of millions of true Americans join as one, nothing can defeat us.
          We must boycott every business that supports liberal causes. Every channel that supports sick and demented liberal shows. Boycott the majority of unions. Every large bank that supports the Fed reserve. Every politician that has progressive ideals.
          Only we the people can take America back from the communist in control.
          Lets get all of the American’s on this site and organize, organize, organize.
          God bless America, and those who fight for her!!!!

          • http://Personalliberty Tony

            To Void:
            That is bunch of garbage that “white Americans” don’t get squat.
            Knock it off with such baloney!! Everyone is affected by this system.
            By the way white americans are the wealthiest and have the highest standards of living in this country. So, open your mind before shooting off at the mouth. Thanks!!

    • DaveH

      Where did the “hate” talk come from, CP? I saw nobody dissing Social Security recipients.
      As far as ditch-digging jobs, I’m 61 and I could do it easily. So I would imagine that most younger people could also. But there is a problem, and that’s that most make-work is of little use to the economy. Only Free Markets can address efficiently the needs and desires of the consumers. Also, the make work projects require expensive supervisors, and it is difficult to make people work when they don’t want to work, short of whipping them, which of course wouldn’t be allowed.
      And “the men, and women, who serve so you can talk this talk” aren’t protecting us. They’re protecting the Crony Capitalists and others who benefit from the Empire Building that is done in our names. They’re also making more enemies for us, who someday will bring the fight to our own country so that we pay for the follies of our Leaders.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Hear, Hear DaveH, When we lost our home and business to a fire, I went and worked for a candle company, I learned the trade and now make my own!__Where there is a will there is a way! Ya keep providing a way for people, they’ll never try to find their way on they’re own!

        • Christin

          Angel,

          GIVE a man a fish and you have fed him for a day;
          TEACH a man to fish and he will eat forever.

          • DaveH

            Teach a man to fish and he’ll sit around in a boat all day drinking beer.

          • Angel Wannabe

            DaveH, lol!

          • Cawmun Cents

            Its called the”cutting edge”.
            Its what you must have to stay at the top of the food chain.
            Militarily,the United States must maintain the cutting edge.
            In todays world,to not have experience fighting with modern technologies,is foolhardy.It would be tantamount to suicide for our forces to be like most of the worlds.
            It remains to be seen how using technologies in small theatres,will help us in the future.Perhaps they are studying how to fight a better insurgency,knowing that we cannot maintain full spectrum domination?
            While I doubt that particular scenario,(because of the shuttle program and the tendency of thinking about what I’d do in a worst case scenario)I do think there is merit to the practice of using new technologies in small theatres.
            Unfortunately,there are casualties to be dealt with.
            Okay here comes my disclaimer:I do not advocate the killing of anyone for the practice of maintaining cutting edge technologies.However,I can see the possibilities of using it in the case where idealists who want to destroy conditions of peace and prosperity to create chaotic situations,is beneficial.In the conditions which we have today,where it is plausible that fanatical theologists might possibly obtain nuclear viability…..it is essential to cover ones backside while maintaining a benevolent quality as well.
            Unlike some of you….I get that part.
            But make no mistake,those who have not aligned themselves with us in these conditions to practice in the field are making a grievous error.
            Militarily it is the same as playing poker with no poker face.
            Many here fear the inevitable doom and gloom of a world war 3 situation.Truth be told it is fast arriving and lacking practice of fighting in the styles we see extant,is stupidity.
            Door to door could possibly become a reality here.
            I dont know about you,but I think that having folks with experience doing that…both young and old,is a good thing.
            Not having it and sending wave after wave of suicide charges,seems more like the desperate ploy.
            But what do I know?
            Apparently very little.
            -CC.

          • DaveH

            I guess we need more practice then, because those stone-age warriors are doing pretty well.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            DaveH,
            you forget part of it. Teach a man to fish and he’ll sit in a boat drinking beer and bragging about the one that got away!!

          • Cawmun Cents

            I guess its all in how you observe it DaveH.
            To my view,making roadside bombs which expode and kill way more civillians than military personnel,(and doing it in the name of your god)is not particularly doing well.It is my contention that it is a cowardly practice.Its effectiveness will only be etimated upon reflection of friend vs.foe casulties after the war has become of historical note.
            But to each his own.
            -CC.

        • Karolyn

          Angel – It’s really not as easy as it was in the “old days.” I could always come up with ways to make cash. Nowadays there are too many people going after the same slice of pie, and when you live in a state like SC that’s so far behind, there just is no opportunity. I just heard of a 35 year old woman who lost her job some time ago and receives Food Stamps but can get no other help and is just waiting for her elec. to get turned off. There are many more like her, and she was laid off from a really good job. There is NOTHING going on here where I live. Even the flea markets are suffering. I was almost there a couple of years ago; however, I am resourceful and did find ways to just make it, only having to live through having no gas to cook with for 4 months. Unfortunately, not everyone is made of the same cloth.

          • Angel Wannabe

            karolyn, I get it!__but you can’t sit idly by and wait, you have to eat and pay bills and take care of family.
            I don’t buy the fact that not all of us are cut from the same clothe either. In Fact, that’s why we Conservatives are being blamed for being “Cold Hearted”, when we talk about Personal Responsibility. There is more knowledge to be had than ever before today, thanks to the internet. If you don’t have a computer at home, use the one at work , go to the Library, or ask a neighbor or a friend. You have to try and find a need, and fill it!

          • DaveH

            It doesn’t occur to you, Karolyn, that it’s harder to find work now because the Government is discouraging entrepreneurs with their high taxes and heavy regulations?
            Please don’t use that ‘too many people’ excuse. Hong Kong puts that to shame with 3x the population density of our most densely populated state.
            Read this, Karolyn. It’s short so it won’t tax your brain:
            http://mises.org/daily/5632/Freedom-and-Economic-Growth-in-the-Poorest-Countries

          • Al Sieber

            I seen his comment Joe, I thought he was smarter than that.

      • JeffH

        DaveH, as you’re well aware…liberals take pride in the use of the word “hate”…a badge of honor maybe…must be a genes thing…

        • DaveH

          The meanest people I’ve known were Liberals.

          • eddie47d

            Then you’re not listening to the Brads,Jibbs,Samurai and several others who spout hateful comments right here for you to enjoy.Liberals- not a one of them.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, without a doubt!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            DaveH,
            Did you happen to catch the comments that Morgan Freeman made about the TEA party?? Said they’re all racists among other things!!

    • DonnieB

      CP has used a bait an switch. The post was about WELFARE recipients. Social Security is a different animal (although politicians have used the money from those people who did work and pay into the systems for welfare and all kinds of other vote buying schemes). Social Security is unconstitutional but there will be no way to make it go away. This tells us that Congress & the President needs to stop instituting more unconstitutional laws that are merely buying votes.

      Please read the Constitution before you make these sort of pronouncements. This is one of the reasons that the country is in such sad shape. If the Constitution doesn’t explicitly allow the FEDERAL government to do something it is reserved for the states or the people. The Federal government is working to become totally dictatorial with 535 (Congress) + 1 (President) + 9 (Supreme Court) to become a dictator by committee.

      • DaveH

        Somebody who gets it.

      • James

        DonnieB, In Helvering v. Davis, 301 U.S. 619 (1937), the Supreme Court held (pp. 635-6): “Title VIII…lays two different types of tax, an ‘income tax on employees,’ and ‘an excise tax on employers.’ …The proceeds of both taxes are to be paid into the Treasury like internal revenue taxes generally, and are not earmarked in any way. Title II…creates an account in the United States Treasury to be known as the ‘Old-Age Reserve Account.’ No present appropriation, however,is made tothat account. All that the statute does is to authorize appropriations annually thereafter.”
        If the Social Security Act taxes had been earmarked for old-age benefits, the Act would have been held unconstitutional. Congress lacks the power to tax one group for the benefit of another (U.S v. Butler, 1936).

      • DaveH

        The Secret History of Social Security:
        http://mises.org/journals/essays/bresiger.pdf

    • independant thinker

      “people who HATE anyone who is disabled and on medication, or forcibly retired to draw a minimal social security just to survive.”

      I never got the idea anyone was including the disabled or those drawing SS in the “work in exchange for your unemployment”. All the responses I read that advocated that talked about those who are perfectly able to work but choose to live off welfare.

  • NancyJ

    If we are going to discuss the unemployed, then we better talk about all the bills sent to the Senate that Harry Reid won’t allow to come to the floor for a vote!
    We need someone in the Senate that cares about this country.

    • Ellen

      So true. The House has sent a dozen ‘jobs’ bills to the Senate and Harry Reid refuses to bring them up for a vote. Then the Dems go around stating that Repubs haven’t come up with any ideas. Reid has perfected deception. Most Americans get their news from TV and they are unaware of all the lies told by Ried, Obama, Pelosi, etc. The Dems also play the heartless card claiming Repubs hate the poor and middle class. What have Dems done for the poor? They’ve kept them poor through the welfare laws that encourage repeating the cycle of poverty. They’ve only recently started their claims to help the middle class, even though the middle class is hurt by the welfare cycle, too. Every school has been dumbed down to accomodate the lowest performing kids. Drug testing is an excellent idea and will force welfare recipients to get off drugs, which is obviously in their best interest. How could anyone complain about that?

      • Old Henry

        Well Ellen, Boehner, Cantor et al should be out there CONTINUALLY reminding the American people about Dingy Harry and his side-kick Dickie Turbin.

        They do not, so they are part of the problem.

        • Ellen

          I agree, but the Democrats control the great majority of the media. You’ll never hear CBS say on their nightly news that this is going on.

    • AJ

      The Global Elites have done a bang up job of occupying the mindless and lost with “American Idol” and “Dancing With The Stars”. They’ve done a great job keeping the intellectually concerned people occupied by fighting with each other over ideals of Conservatives and Liberals and the concerned active ones battling it out in the political arena between Republicans and Democrats. While another segment who realize what’s going on strive for the attention and favor of the Elites and position themselves as saviors of the country and the people and get voted in and sell themselves off to the Global elite taking their money and becoming puppets for the Global agenda. We need to come together (which the Global Elites fear most)and start voting out the career NWO politicians and putting the message out of what is really taking place here. Our enemy is both mainstream political parties and their puppet masters not each other. We need more so called Kooks in their like Ron Paul.

    • Old Henry

      And it sure ain’t the libs and RINOs NancyJ.

      We need about 70 more Rand Pauls…

      • JeffH

        OH :) !

  • http://www.USpropertyshop.com Regis Sauger

    Amazing, how mother nature is so active in our lives, yet we overlook what is happening or has happened. When you put a pack of rats in a box with a big piece of cheese, they scurry to the cheese and have a banquet. When the cheese is gone, they chew on each other. (sue)

    Well, when the Feds gave our money to AIG to provide the cash to the investors that held non-performing loans, we (the public) never saw ANY benefits. NOT even the distressed consumer. Yet, we paid to keep the investors quiet so they wouldn’t sue AIG or any others for fraud. The investors WERE defrauded to invest into these toxic loans. So, by giving them the cheese, they eliminated that portion of the big bite (court action)

    Now that the internet has made known what the media (social ants) will not let us know about, we find out that everyone (all of the rats) are suing each other. Great to see. Just hope someone in Washington, besides the stalwart NY AG steps up to the plate and criminal actions start.

    The only way out of this mess is to reset the values of money held in banks and paper to todays real value.

    • Old Henry

      Regis:

      As I understand it AIG was the outfit that had Congress’ pension funds. It seems the rats were once again taking care of themselves at our expense.

      • JeffH

        Old Henry, the same AIG who recieved a total of $133.3 billion taxpayer dollars and also paid Goldman Sachs $13 billion with part of the bailout money they recieved. A double dip for GS if you ask me considering GS also received $5.55 billion from the government in fall of 2008.

  • James

    Obama says we can’t cut our way out of this problem. We can’t tax our way out of it either since you could raise taxes all you want and still not cover the deficit (and you would run out of rich people to tax as Thatcher used to say.)

    The fact is we are spending more than we have (“we” referring to the government), so we can cut our way out of the problem, and we have to cut our way out. Stop lying to us Obama.

    • Old Henry

      James:

      We CAN cut our way out of the debt and Ron Paul has stated that he will balance the budget in his FIRST year – not his first TERM.

      I could balance the budget in less that 4 hours and I’m a slow reader due to my poor eyesight. So, I’m guessing the rest of you could do it in about one hour.

      It is so simple it’s child’s play.

    • James

      While I agree with this, I’m not the ‘James’ who wrote it. My comment about the Social Security Act is above.

  • home boy

    this is what happens when you give the wrong people power and now the government is so powerful you can’t change it. you say a dictator is one person well we have 534 that control ya’ll. unless you are willing to put yourself in arms way to get rid of our political system you will always pay a price. but thats okay . change is coming soon and not in any form ya’ll know. if you want to know what it is read your bible.

    • Old Henry

      Yes home boy, you are correct. And it is frightening to think about.

  • TheRealBob

    Welfare has never been anything but a vote-buying scheme and should be considered a criminal misuse of taxpayer dollars. It is time to end all forms of welfare and make the USA a country where the parasites have the choice of working or starving.

    • Sam I am

      Unfortuentely, there are not enough jobs to go around. So, if welfare were eliminated out right, you would have chaos in the streets overnight, because thouse on welfare are faced with starving or raping, pilaging, or murdering for their daily bread pretty much similar to how it is in nature! Human civilization sought to eliminate that, but civilization is currently failing at the moment.

      • DaveH

        Sam, there is no limit on the number of jobs, only Government impediments to their creation. Get Government out of the way and the Free Markets would flourish. Everybody who wanted to work, could work.
        Read this:
        http://mises.org/daily/5632/Freedom-and-Economic-Growth-in-the-Poorest-Countries

      • Margaret

        Just remember what happened in New Orleans when there was no welfare because nobody seemed to be able to get to the flood victims. They looted, robbed, and murdered to survive. We will see that again.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Margaret, Katrina was poorly managed at the in state level first off!!!__They were told to leave days before the hurricane hit. Those that didn’t have transportation out of there, should have been transported out on All of those thousands of school buses that sat swamped in water over there roofs, where were the Mayor and the Govenor!!!__If people choose to ride out a storm they have to take resonsibility for their own lives and the lives of there family.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Margare___ and then there was FEMA!

        • Ellen

          New Orleans and Katrina is a perfect example of what happens when you have a segment of society that expects the government to provide everything for them. Those people didn’t leave or prepare for the storm because they expected someone else to take care of them. When help didn’t arrive quickly enough, they looted.

        • DaveH

          So, we should cater to welfare recipients because they might kill us or rob us if we don’t, Margaret? I think the opposite is true. Welfare benefits give them plenty of time to plot dastardly deeds. If they were working for a living they wouldn’t have all that spare time.

      • Void1972

        Sam
        When I hear someone say that the illegals only take jobs that American’s don’t want, I know I’m listening to a communist.
        I personally know hundreds of illegals in my area that are making more money in construction, landscaping and the food industry because they are willing to work for a few dollars less.
        If they were back where they belong, American’s would be working those jobs, for the same few dollars less.
        If you give me the BS that American’s won’t take these jobs, I’ll call you what you are, a moron.
        Think of all the “welfare” recipients that could also find work, if our government didn’t make it so easy to suck off mother America.
        Between the illegals and the “welfare” scammers taking hundreds of billions every year, it’s no wonder we are in our current situation.
        As far as the “welfare” class that would rape, pillage and murder when our money runs out, where have you been?
        These animals have been raping, pillaging and murdering for decades because that is what they do, that is what the democrats have created.
        When you create a class of subhumans by taking away the one gift and right God has given them, the gift
        of life and the ability to create something with your time . The right to become the best you can be with the one life that you have.
        We only have a numbered amount of time to be as productive as our time allows.
        These people are born into a class of slavery to our government, mostly the democrats.
        They are born into a system that rewards lazy, immoral behavior, and a culture that knocks education and work ethic.
        These are the zombies that are eating the heart of America. They contribute nothing to society and fill our prisons for another massive expense on top of the cost of birth to death wasted tax payer money.
        The system is broken, and we can sit here in these chat rooms, wasting precious time, or organize to stop the madness.
        God bless America, and those who fight for her!!!!

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Let’s have a test for voting. Oh, that would be unconstitutional. BS to me. If you cannot pass a taste on the Constitution and current events, then you should be unable to vote.

      • mark

        This is a very old idea. They are called literacy tests. They were used in the South for nearly a hundred years to keep blacks and the poor from voting. This has now returned as a foundational principle of the Tea Party. Blacks and the poor should not be allowed to vote. They can serve in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan where they make up a disproportionate number of the men and women in the ranks. But they should not be allowed to vote. Only the “right sort of people” should be allowed to vote. And we all know who they are. Welcome to Tea Party Amerika.

        • dennis

          MARK YOU ARE A LIAR ???

        • DonnieB

          I agree, Mark, you are a liar. No one in the Republican party or Tea Party has suggested literacy tests. This is just more of “the GOP wants you to die” nonsense. The Dems love to keep citizens stupid, they are much easier to control that way.

        • NVRAT

          Mark where in the hell did you come up with the idea the TEA Party of applying that concept? you been listening to MSNBC or something? I am a TEA Party member and that is news to me. Sounds like you have been reading the Democratic Manifesto and applying it to meet your own ideas.

          • DaveH

            Mark is a Liberal. Don’t you know, NVRAT, that Liberals are allowed to fabricate facts to support their accusations?

          • mark

            No many Tea Party activists strongly support voter restrictions – need for voter photo IDs. More government surveillance in voting places, challenging minority voters, etc. Literacy tests are the natural progression to this thinking. Property qualifications as well. Lets purge Amerika of democratic elements and emphasize those of a republic, like that of the Founding Slaveholders, one in which only property-holding white men can vote, hold office, exercise political power, the “right sort of people.” All others can sweep up, serve hamburgers, cut the grass. This is Tea Party Amerika.

          • mark

            Right DaveH. only liberals lie, and twist the truth, commit adultery, steal, and embezzle. No conservative or liberatarian has ever done these things. Only liberals commit evil acts. How nice it must be to live in your child’s world of good guys and bad guys where you and Ron Paul hold absolute truth all others should bow down before your altar. Please, grow up…..become an adult, accept the complexity of this world. Hayek isn’t God. He is just one of thousands of economists with a particular view.

          • DaveH

            Did I say Only Liberals Lie, Mark?
            But you were fabricating facts and that is a fact.

          • eddie47d

            You’re leaning so far Right with your slanted opinions Dave that you are going to fall over.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, there’s that familiar buzz again. bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

        • Old Henry

          mark:

          Blacks and the poor are just as able to be literate as anyone else. It is simply a matter of having the disire to do so.

          In days past the Blacks were kept at an educational disadvantage, but that is no longer the case.

          If you do not want to know our Constitution and keep up on current events then I don’t believe you should have the right to participate.

        • DaveH

          Before you come back with yet another of your equivocating comments, Mark, I want to point out that you said “This has now returned as a foundational principle of the Tea Party. Blacks and the poor should not be allowed to vote”.
          Since it is one of their “Foundational Principles”, Mark, it should be very easy for you to prove that you weren’t just fabricating a fact.

        • DaveH
        • Void1972

          Mark
          Your hatred for America is so evident in your lies. I doubt you are even an American.
          I normally don’t waste time with anti-American scum, but you were right on one statement, that minorities are “disproportionally” in combat overseas.
          Demographics of US military as of 2009. 65% white, 12% black. Combat vets 69% white, 9% black.
          Considering Blacks are 17% of American’s population, you have a point.
          Idiot!

  • Angel Wannabe

    Cp I believe Bob Livingston said “Of course, in theory, the Social Security Trust Fund is supposed to consist of money the government confiscated from workers and set aside on their behalf. But Congressional thieves long ago looted the fund, making it the Ponzi scheme that Governor Rick Perry was reviled for characterizing it as a few weeks ago.” end quote_

    Who said anything about the Disabled or the Elderly? In my opinion he said, the Guv stole from the Social Security!_Its pretty obvious that if you allow Guv takeover on ANYTHING THEY’RE GONNA SCREW IT UP or steal from it!__and what’s wrong with putting people on welfare “who are able” to work for they’re pay?__and prisoners for that fact???

    • Vagabond

      Angel the Government DID steal the social security fund in 1964 under lyndon bains johnson and the damned democrats and put it in the general fund to finance the vietnam war. I was in the Air Force at the time, that is the reason the social security fund is broke. there isn’t a social security fund anymore,

      • Angel Wannabe

        Vagabond,__I don’t think I disputed that, nor did Bobs article!__Its about welfare and warfare.

    • James

      Angel Wannabe, the feds didn’t loot the Trust Fund, there never was such a fund, see my above Social Security comment. If the S.S. Act taxes had been set aside for old-age benefits it would have been held unconstitutional. Now, the so-called ‘Trust Fund’ consists of Treasury Bonds, which the feds are legally obligated to pay interest on. I see this as a sort of slight-of-hand, to dissuade bond holders from cashing them in, which would bankrupt the nation.

  • Carlucci

    Has anyone on this board ever met people who come here from Haiti, Jamaica (mon), Cameroon, Nigeria, etc.? These people come here from impoverished countries and find work. They are amazed at the welfare system in this nation. Many of them start out in jobs like care givers to the elderly and/or terminally ill, but many are studying to get better jobs.

    The worst thing that ever happened in America was when the government took over welfare. The churches handled it before that and naturally did a much better job.

    Gotta go to work. Everybody have a great week. I miss you guys and gals.

    • Old Henry

      Carlucci:

      Thanks for stoppin’ by. I was wondering over the week end how you and your new yob were doin’. Ya’ll have missed some rousing “discussions lately! LOL!

      I think the libs saw how the churches were handling helping the poor and noticed that it brought the poor to God and the churches. They put two snd two together and like good gangsters decided they wanted their “cut” of the actiion. So, they took over the welfare system. Can’t have the poor living morally, going to church and believing in a God when they all know that they are god…

      • Christin

        Good point, Old Henry… that is probably how it went down.

        God always does things better than man, especially Godless mankind.

        “It is better to take refuge in the Lord, than to trust in man.”
        Psalm 118:8
        (The absolute middle of Bible)

      • Carlucci

        Thanks, Old Henry. I think your comment hit the nail right on the head.

        My new “yob” is fine – it keeps me busy, busy, busy. I don’t even have time to get on the web and see what’s going on with this blog. Seems like I just arrive home in the evening and get settled, and then it’s time to go to bed and start all over again. Oh well…I’m just happy to be back in the saddle. Sounds like you and everyone on this board are doing great :)

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Bob, There you to again, campaigning for Paul. Although I agree with 90% of Ron’s ideas, I still maintain that he is naive in his approach to foreign policy. I will probably join the Paul supporters in writing in his name during the general election, if Romney or Perry should win the Republican nomination, however.

    • DaveH

      Our foreign escapades have nothing to do with protecting the Freedom of the American people, and everything to do with Empire-Building for the benefit of the Leaders and their Crony-Capitalists.
      Ron Paul is one of the few who know that.

      • Old Henry

        DaveH:

        Actually I think Ron Paul is one of the few who will ACKNOWLEDGE it.

    • Old Henry

      Capitalist:

      I think that simply writting in Dr. Paul’s name on the ballot would invalidate your entire ballot. I think he would first need to establish a write-in campaign to legitimise a write-in vote.

      At least that is the way it works in my state as explained to me by an election judge.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Same way in my state (MO), I think there could be a push to get his name on the ballot in many states. I just can not bring by self to vote for another phony Republican Candidate such as McCain, Bush, Dole, Bush, Ford, Nixon, etc.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Capitalist at Birth,

      That was not necessarily the point of this article. However, this is not the first time I have written an article in which Ron Paul’s name was never mentioned, yet I have been accused of promoting him, when all I was doing was pointing out the obvious–or what is obvious to anyone not brain dead–and writing common sense. Perhaps there is a lesson there?

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • http://yahoo don

    why does the government count what is paid out in social security? it was supposed to be supported by workers money paid out in a tax. the thieves in congress stole what they called the social security surplus. i’m sure if it would have been left alone there would have been plenty with the baby boomer parents and the baby boomers paying into it. now with no funds it will surely fail. why was’nt a fund set up in the past to return the money. the thieve had no intention of paying it back just as in the national debt. our congress cant do without. big business who pay them off will get everything. take them out of the budget and there might not be a deficit. when the big boys make you part of the elite club why not take the payment andgive them everything. i wonder how things will go for them if this country goes belly up. the will be forgotten. the vote can beat the dollar. get out every one and vote america. we need to get the elite chosen presidental and congressional candidates like romney and perry. lets get ron paul in. maybe there would be a few congressional ones who would follow. end this crap of of losing righs and voting in reps who become your ruling class.

  • Rosco1776

    Or send the welfare folks overseas to our unsustainable wars!

    I am for doing good to the poor, but…I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed…that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.
    -Benjamin Franklin

    Ron Paul 2012 or BU$T !!

    • Angel Wannabe

      Hear Hear Rosco1776, I repeat what I said on here the other day, if you hand feed a wild animal long enough, eventually it won’t bother to forage on it’s own for food!__people are the same!

    • DaveH

      Welfare and its equivalents have never been about helping the poor. The Leaders could care less about the poor. They are simply buying votes to keep their power and their perks.
      If the leaders truly cared about the poor, then why would they put up so many impediments to job creation in the private sector when study after study has proven that Economic Freedom is the only path to Prosperity?

      • Jibbs

        And when they have complete control, the parasites will be the first to go. Like pawns in a chess game…they have little or no value.

  • Charles bond

    We are going to have to warn all the free loaders that the game is over. Now, we can take each free loading program and investagate every person to get to the truth of why are you entitled and can not or will not support yourself. We should start out with the program that is getting the most tax dollars. We are not talking about the people that honestly can not help themselves and should not let the special interests groups use sad tails to play on the hearts of the good hearted American people.I am not talking about social security as the people paid into that ,but social security should be gone through to find fraud ,like illegals and dead people. We should do this after WE THE PEOPLE replace ALL the career politicians and take away ALL the GOLDEN retirements they voted in for themselves before leaving office, But start the WARNING NOW. We can not count on the two parties to fix anything, because over 200 years, the democrats and the republicans took turns running America and all they have to show for it is a $14,500,000,000,000.00 DEBT for you, me and our children to pay. ……………Charles of Waveland,MS……..

  • momplayer

    Congrats to FL. I would like to see all the states do this and add an addendum birth control.You have families out there that are collecting welfare for their kids,their kids living at home collecting welfare for their kids and so on and so on.They should stop illegals from getting any assistance. When my grandfather wanted to become a citizen he had to prove he could speak english,knew the montary system and PROVE he could support his family.Why can illegals come in collect SS having never worked here while the people who have worked all their lives have to fight to get it? The one problem I see with FL law is they have to be clean for a year or attend rehab,who’s going to pay for their rehab? Are they only being tested to get welfare or do they have to be tested every month and are they required to take random tests?

    • DaveH

      “add an addendum birth control”? You see how it works? First they give unsolicited freebies with money they took from somebody else. Then they use the anger of the citizens towards the recipients to take more Freedom away. And their power grows.
      Can’t you see, Folks? It’s just a slow progression towards totalitarianism to our detriment and the Leaders benefit.
      Break the mold1 For Individual Liberty, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, Limited Government, and the Peace that comes from voluntary transactions among a Free People:
      http://libertarianparty.org/platform

      • JeffH

        Hmmm, reminds me of the Patriot Act…all in the name of keeping us safe…hmmm!

    • SmartAlice

      The cost of rehab may be less expensive than funding the welfare give-away long term. It may be very cost effective.

    • djdrew103

      Once again we find ourselves drowning in a pool of protests with little to no actual worthy promotion of feasible and viable solutions on the matter. Some have very valid points to offer such as drug testing to be accepted on welfare entitlement programs. Others quickly rebuke such claims as unconstitutional, yet with a blind viewpoint as to the worthiness of such claims in that without regulation, welfare became the parasitical program we now face.

      Any nation that does not have a successful welfare program in use in past history and through a governmental use of wisdom, never reaches or attains a level of civilization and success desired for prolonging the healthy existence of that government and nation. That’s a fact and no one’s personal viewpoints or begrudgingly voiced complaints can dispute that as a fact of archived history. By not using that wisdom, a nation will face a timeline of economic rises and falls, pertinent to its level of public assistance for the increasing and decreasing number of impoverished families.

      Yet a successful means and a constant protocol of regulatory control prohibiting abuse of those welfare systems must be in action, or the whole cycle and circle rises and falls, succeeds and fails, repeating itself to the whims of financial calendars.

      Only a fool would suggest cutting the budget to welfare. Cutting the budget without stemming welfare abuse merely monstrously infects the system where those who truly need the help to rise up above problems keeping them in poverty levels are unjustly afflicted. How can someone propose to cut a budget, continuing to allow the billions that ARE spent to go to those who leech and parasitically abuse the system, wasting that money intended for the truly needy? Ignoring the abuse in welfare, Medicare or Medicaid is merely enslaving ourselves to those who like to paint the picture of the current administration as failing to do their job, while ignoring the fact that Republicans have wanted to cut Social programs all along as long as the richer populace has no tax increase and the wealthiest, elitist and most powerful keep their money.

      The same goes for Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security (disability). Cutting the budget for those programs without cutting off the abusers is a feeble and foolish attempt, not curing the problem nor even treating it, but merely making the paperwork look better for voters and withdrawing the public opinion from pursuing equal and fair taxation for one and all, insisting that the well to do and better off all the way to the filthy rich pay a fair share form their own pockets to attempt at reconciling the country’s burden.

      With that in play, we need a legislative branch that is prohibited from placing strangleholds on our government. If a bill cannot pass and is used to stall the legislative process by implementing impassable parts to that bill, then that bill must be taken apart piece by piece, those issues voted on separately, the ignorant parts from the worthy parts. At least the bills would be passed or failed, but we would have our legislative process back.

      We hear so many supporters complaining of bills that are given to the Senate to be merely shelved without bringing them to vote. What such opinions fail to say is that many of those bills have ludicrous exceptions, provisions that are implemented for the purpose of making our legislative process impudent, unless their greedy tit-for-tat provisions are allowed. It’s the same stalwart stubbornly selfish tactics that were used by Republicans on the debt committee to gridlock and delay any resolve to the debt increase, which was the major reason S&P gave for the lowering of our nation’s tax rating, our government’s inability to resolve its issues in a timely and successful manner. In the long run, the republican side got an even worse bargain than was originally offered $ 4 trillion in savings and reductions.

      In all:

      Offered a Grand Bargain, with more than $4 trillion in savings. Republicans said, “No.”

      Offered Republicans to pass a clean bill, just as GOP leaders had supported many times in the past. Republicans said, “No.”

      Offered Republicans to Biden-led bipartisan talks. Republicans quit.

      Offered a $2.4 trillion debt-reduction package, 83% of which would come from spending cuts. Republicans said, “No.”

      Offered support for the McConnell/Reid “Plan B.” Republicans said, “No.”

      As is evident, the American people have become fast annoyed with the Republican engine of “just say no” or “do nothing” politics.

      I definitely am no Obama supporter, but in a world where we have to select from the worst of two evils, I cannot believe people can be so easily fooled by articles, and I would take the lesser of two evils any day.

  • bill toomey

    I guess this means that the marxist/socialist are winning that is to say that Obama is their leader who follows the Cloward piven formula of the socialst to overburden the government with welfare and and other issues which will lead to our downfall….why arent the good democrats and republicans listening???????

  • Chucknoland

    sorry out too all lajit social security recips. you are not the only people receiving soc sec,many who can work and are as young as early 20s are retired retired also, (tired) (key word) they suck the teet of the system. they work the sys. better than a lawyer, they need to put forth that effert to finding a job. and welfare has many more. I have tennants that I have asked why don’t you or your husband or boyfriend get a job, response is it will cut my check amount down. the government knows this is going on but they are afraid for political reasons and riots, so suck it up you OLD PEOPLE they will make cuts to your programs.

  • bob wire

    “The liberal website Alternet published an excellent exposé on why the elected elites oppose cuts in warfare spending. It demonstrates why they so fear Ron Paul.”

    Hmm? “elected elites” well that narrows it down some.

    Someday I’m going to figure out who you are talking about when this term “elites’ is used.

    I think we’ve always had “elites” in both government and society such as Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Quincy Adams, Thomas Payne, men that stood head and shoulders above the rest. But only in recent months has the term has been applied in such a derogatory matter.

    I perceive it as just another attempt to cloud reality by adulterating the written English word with jargon and slur for some purpose with clouded intent.

    It seems that we are attempting to talk about something without actually talking about it. Just more cloaked Tea Party keys words and catch phrases? There is just so much you can’t openly discuss without exposing your true position and feeling. Heaven forbid, anyone find that out! I know that it must be difficult!

    Do you have you own hand shake too? You know, like one of those urban negro hand shakes? Something that identifies you as being separate and different from other people?

    • DaveH

      Speaking of adulterating the English language.

    • bob wire

      Elitism is the belief or attitude that some individuals, who form an elite — a select group of people with intellect, wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributes — are those whose views on a matter are to be taken the most seriously or carry the most weight; whose views and/or actions are most likely to be constructive to society as a whole; or whose extraordinary skills, abilities or wisdom render them especially fit to govern.

      Elitist is not a derogatory or condescending term but it seems we are attempting to use the word to imply it.

      Did a new Witch Doctor make it to town with his own brand of intellect?

      • DaveH

        What?

      • Jay

        Elitism is the belief or attitude that some individuals, who form an elite — a select group of people with intellect, wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributes — are those whose views on a matter are to be taken the most seriously or carry the most weight; whose views and/or actions are most likely to be constructive to society as a whole; or whose extraordinary skills, abilities or wisdom render them especially fit to govern.

        Mr. Wire, normally, the qualifications that you enumerated, that the one’s fit to govern, must, and should posses, would go unchallenged. However, and sadly, the present ruling elite do not, posses such qualities! I draw your attention to the present, ruling elite, they’re origin, and history.

        How and Why International-Bankers Make Wars

        http://bigeye.com/bankers_make_war.htm

  • Raggs

    How much of SS is being sent to dead people?

    • bob wire

      I don’t know, they’re not talking about it.

    • JeffH

      Gov’t Paid More Than $600 Million in Benefits to Dead People.

      Checks keep going out even after the former employees pass away and the deaths are not reported, according to the report this week from the Office of Personnel Management’s inspector general, Patrick McFarland.

      In one case, the son of a beneficiary continued receiving payments for 37 years after his father’s death in 1971. The payments – totaling more than $515,000 – were only discovered when the son died in 2008.

      The government has been aware of the problem since a 2005 inspector general’s report revealed defects in the Civil Service Retirement and Disability Fund. Yet the improper payments have continued, despite more than a half dozen attempts to develop a system that can figure out which beneficiaries are still alive and which are dead, the report said.

      Last year, government investigators found out that more than 89,000 stimulus payments of $250 each from the massive economic recovery package went to people who were either dead or in prison.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JeffH,
        just think, if that man was 90 when he died and they kept sending checks for 37 more years, the giverment had to believe that he was 127 years old!! 80? 117 years old!! amazing!!

        • Angel Wannabe

          JoeH, That’s really falling through the cracks_ two days after my Dad died, I received his check, and had a phone call the next day asking me to return it!

  • Elevenarrows

    Since the federal government can’t seem to get that fence finished on our border, why don’t we have welfare recipients take 3 month shifts at working on the fence??? I suspect the welfare rolls would be drastically reduced once that policy is introduced! Problem solved.

    • Jibbs

      Not a bad idea, we have enough of them to run three shifts 27/7/365.

      • Jibbs

        I meant 24/7/365

        • Christin

          Jibbs,

          You are right we have enough welfare people (and prisoners) to work all day, every day, all year!

          EARN YOUR PAYCHECK!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Jibbs,
          I like the idea of the illegals caught here each year building it!! with 30 million of them here, we could build another great wall of China!!!

    • Christin

      Eleven Arrows,

      Good idea… put welfare recipients to work for their check… novel idea.

      I have made the statement before that we could even put the ‘prisoners’ to work in building the double border fence and tall stations of brick or stone needed to stop or slow the flood of illegals from our south.

      It is work and after all, and whether Welfare or Prisoner, they are getting fed and their needs are getting met and then some… WORK FOR IT… like the tax payers are who pay those costs.

  • Al Hill

    Here’s another thought.

    Anyone on welfare should not be allowed to vote!

    • Angel Wannabe

      Al hill, that would at least stop the “special interest groups” from re-electing the hand that feeds them?

    • AJ

      I second that!

    • Dan

      I’ll third that! If you don’t contribute, why should you have a vote?

      • Angel Wannabe

        Dan If I’m correct, I believe you had to, at one time had to own property, in order to vote!

        • 45caliber

          Angel:

          You are correct. It wasn’t changed until quite some time after the Civil War. In fact, I want to say that was in the 1930s or so when it was changed. The idea was that if you didn’t have something to defend like property, you wouldn’t vote for what was best for the US.

          • Angel Wannabe

            45 I think if they legislators re-enacted that having to have property to vote again, that would eliminate the career politicians hand to, welfare mouth syndrom. At least would be a start!

          • Karolyn

            That’s ridiculous, Angel. There are an awful lot of educated (or even just plain intelligent) working people who don’t own property who would be left out in the cold. I’ve always felt that renting was better than buying because there are no worries about upkeep, etc.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Karolyn, your welcomed to not like my answers.

          • 45caliber

            Karolyn:

            I think we are getting an excellent example from Congress as to why they wanted property owners to vote and not everyone. Too many people are voting based on who they think will provide them with more “free” stuff instead of what is best for the country.

          • bob wire

            I see, we are posed to amend the Bill of Rights now.

            I think that is much the same way Hitler took over Germany, one small step at a time until all of Europe was doing the Goose Step. A very stupid way to march 10 feet or 10 miles. A complete waste of precious human energy and looks like you got a broom handle up your rear.

            That you “feel” angry and disenfranchised, that someone is getting something that is “yours” and not theirs, we should do such things.

            How cleaver! but what is it that makes is it only yours and not theirs?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            bob,
            nobummer isn’t even bothering to ammend it, he’s just ignoring it!!! Who’s more like hitler???

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Dan,
        I’ll quadruple that!! If you don’t have a stake in the game why should you be allowed to play???

    • sandcasstle

      Amen–I’ve said the same thing many times.

    • 45caliber

      I’ve always kind of liked Heinlein’s idea of voting – no one can vote or run for public office UNLESS THEY HAVE SERVED IN THE MILITARY FIRST. The argument was that if you weren’t willing to prove that you were ready to put the country first, then you shouldn’t be representing our country.

      • Karolyn

        45 – Then the majority of women could not vote.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          not true! a great many American women have served in one capacity especially since ww2!!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            sorry fingers working faster than the brain. Should be “in one capacity or another”

        • 45caliber

          Karolyn:

          A lot of women do enter the service. My daughter did.

  • Richard

    Work to get paid sounds only fair… There are many things they can do, even if it’s things like that, they rest of us have to work most of the day to pay for all that so why not?

  • greg

    The retiree’s that are on social security have paid into this system
    their entire working life. The social security disability people are
    the one’s that have paid little or nothing into the system, and are
    bringing the system down. Social Security was never intended for people on disabilities, when it started. The other problem we are facing is
    that 47 out of 100 Americans pay no income tax, including large corporations.

    • MOMPLAYER

      I beg to differ with you. Not all people drawing social security disability paid little or nothing in. I have worked for 43 years paying into social security since I was 14.Just because we are diabled now doesn’t mean we are dead beats believe me I paid my fair share both financially and physically.

      • 45caliber

        Mom:

        Some like you do – but most don’t. With the ability to draw “Crazy money” now, many start drawing it before the third grade. One of the real problems I have with the majority of disability money such as crazy money is that the person draws it and someone else ALSO draws it to “take care of them”. Retired people certainly don’t get to hit the money for double even if someone else does take care of them.

        • Libertarian58

          Don’t forget that a “single” mom, if she can get on SS for any reason also draws it for ALL of her kids.

          • bob wire

            As I understand it, ~SSS is not supported by Federal income tax but FICA which is federal/state tax of a much smaller percent. A .9 something %

            which vest the contributor to SSS and Unemployment Insurance in relation to how much they have paid into the system over a certain period of time.

            I know I’ve contributed in excess of 100,000 to this fund to date and at 63 I yet to file, not needing the money while I know others do.

            It’s a pay forward program, not perfect by a long shot but all and all, a very popular program that does work and address needs of society like no other.

            Some people want out of this program. Some people see this huge pile of loot and want to privatize it and make personal profits with it.

            I fear what would happen is just more personalized profits and public loses while peoples most basic needs will not be addressed, placing more burdens on family and church which maybe where they should be. But sadly, family and church already has their hands full.

            Already, the church fails in so many ways today some seem to think the Government should intervene in family and church matters.

            So adding more burden to the church and family is seen as some correction?

            Are 60 and 70 year old parents going to claim the responsibility for their children? Are 30 year old children to bear all the burden of their parents.

            In the last 10 days, my 84 year old Father has ran up hospital bill of $27,000.00 and it’s still growing. Should I bear this burden if nothing else was in place to do so?

            I admit, ~ spending 250,000 on anyone with one foot in the grave before they became ill doesn’t make a lot of sense, but what our options?

            We pay forward, ~ I might die and that $100,000 I’ve put in, I don’t draw a nickle of. That’s the way it works, maybe I paid for Dad. ~ Not to mention Dad paid into SSS for years as well.

            ~ This Medical Industry served demands, employs workers and they pay taxes as well. ~ They run on money! Lots of money. ~ Wealth in being moved about, giving everyone an opportunity a chance at standing in the food chain.

            Life is not a one way street unless of course you see yourself as being the center of the Universe. If you do, this “paying forward” will offend your senses.

        • djdrew103

          Your claim that “some do – but MOST don’t” is fictionalized to merely prove a bias. In all, SSD and/or SSI as a whole serve a major majority of deserving recipients. Unfortunately, the policies are guided by corrupt medical and psychological/psychiatric health engines and lobbyist efforts that cater to the mindset of expanding the belly of the system to providing for those who their private society profits from. Thus, if you are some fat broad with six kids by six different fathers, hopefully all of whom are in prison so you don’t have child support interfering, you can get a doctor(s) somewhere that can claim you suffer from such ailments as “anxiety attacks” and therefore can’t work, and thus applicable and acceptable for SSD or SSI. Until there are viable ways of finding, weeding out, and exempting abuse from these systems, those systems and our nation will suffer. Yet, your statement alluding to the point that MOST abuse the system isn’t true.

    • Angel Wannabe

      greg, Agreed! “Social Security was never intended for people on disabilities,__Personally I’d like to know what happened to the CAT fund we all were paying into?_-Was that State or Federally mandated?__I’ll have to check on that myself later on!

      • 45caliber

        I always believed that disablity pay was to come from Welfare. Then, if you had paid into SS, you would draw that instead when you actually retired at age 65 or so. But there was too much money piling up in SS waiting for the people to retire.

        I once computed that if you could invest what you paid into SS at 5% interest (the standard bank interest at the time) you would have well over $1 million in the account for you when you did retire after 40+ years. If ALL adults did that, just think of the amount in the SS fund at any one time! The politicians simply couldn’t stand to see all that money “going to waste” as they figure it since it wasn’t going to buy more votes.

        • djdrew103

          I worked everyday, every year of my life until suffering a disabling DVT, and subsequent finding of an enlarged heart in 1998. After a year of struggles, unemployment, losing all my savings and possessions, I resorted to living in meager Christian men’s shelters until Social Security Disability came through a year and a half after applying for it. To qualify, if I remember back that far correctly, I had to have a standard 20 quarters or credits to qualify for full disability, or SSD. I had been out of country for almost a year allowing me only 19 credits, and that one small unfortunate time period during my life disqualified me for full disability. I received SSI or supplemental social security, in that although I had paid in all my life, I had missed the one quarter or credit criteria and had to live off of a starting monthly income of $500 per month. SSI is designed to catch those who fall through the loopholes. So anyone that says I didn’t deserve that income, anyone that says I didn’t pay in just like the rest of us is simply simpleminded and of the same mindset your famous Republicans are. Forget that the money comes from the American people, disinformationalize the Americans we can get to blindly follow to repeat the same insanity in acting as if it will cure all, deny those you can and it will leave more for the rest and we can somehow fictionally claim a healthier nation while allowing those we actually serve, the rich and wealthy, to approve, and those willing to blindly follow (non-afflicted healthy and working class) to be appeased.

  • http://www,pappymart.com John Hanna

    Hello
    I agree with the drug testing but am not sure that it will work. I believe most serious drugs only require a few days of abstinence to test clean which most junkies can manage. You are left with pot which I don’t think is much of a problem but since it is true that most places test for pot to work then pot smokers should not get welfare. OK by me if they all leave my state, Florida, but I don’t see the clogged traffic or empty housing.

    Then there are the side issues. Above it was stated that 496 billion a year was required for food stamps and a few other items. This includes the wages of the workers who deal with it including full checks for those that retire after twenty years of service and are paid for another forty. This includes the cars, the rental buildings, the lunches, the working vacations. So is it a welfare expense or a government employee expense under the welfare umbrella.

    Also, two years is too much for unemployment. Three months to recover and they should have a backup plan. In this economy if they traded in the paid off house for a fancy upgrade they are prone to lose it.

    And there seems to be a lot of hate about the unemployed. Having been up and down the income ladder a few times before retirement I would advise caution about who is disrespected. I too believe it wouldn’t be a bad idea to do some work to get the check but I am afraid it would lead to a slave state. This would be minimum pay make work with no benefits. I have had idiot gold spangled supervisors in the past but I could quit and go someplace else. It is quite another matter when that disrespectful abusive idiot can not be changed and almost everyone could do his job better and the reason they are on the dole and he is working is because his daddy has a government job

    • Jibbs

      Hair and blood tests work the best and can go back several months.

    • DaveH

      Let’s just use the KISS principle and get Government out of the Welfare business.
      If we got the Government out of the Marketplace, and stopped Crony-Capitalism, and stopped the Empire Building, this country would be so prosperous that only a few determined slackers would go without jobs. Those who truly weren’t able to work due to misfortune would be taken care of by local charities because prosperous people are generous people.

      • James

        DaveH, besides marching on Washington gunsa’ blazin,’ how would we do that?

    • 45caliber

      John:

      It depends upon the drug test. The one I take at work takes a sample of your hair. That contains the drug from the time you took it. If you still have the same hair you had when you took the drug, even if it was a year ago, it will show it. Blood tests will show at least a month, despite what a urine sample might show.

      Some drugs also take longer to go away than others. But if you wish to know, ask some drug user. They can tell you exactly. They all know.

  • Dan az

    I agree with Angel.The reason there is so many on welfare is because they have either lost their job or refuse to work because the system is set up to support them.If it were mandatory that you work for the state that you receive welfare in with all these shovel ready jobs then it is up to the gubmnt to make sure that the states get the monies collected from them by the gubmnt be used solely by that state to take care of their people.Its not the gubmnt job its the states responsibility.Whether it be care giving jobs or road construction or working the soup lines,they need the job to gain respect in their lives.And the ones that use the system to stay at home by having more kids should receive not only a bottle of super clue for their knees but the training how to support them on daycare, as to being part of that system.In Arizona if you are busted for drugs then you don’t receive any welfare and I think the testing will now come also for users that are imported here from other states.The ACLU can kiss our behind if they want to support this kind of behavior then they can support them.When criminals are released from jail they are not given a means to support them selves except returning to their old ways.There is fences to be built and country sides that need to be cleaned up because of the lack of responsibility that the gubmnt refuses to address.The system has failed them and us so its up to us to fix it come November and get these things fixed.Just my two cents worth!

    • Angel Wannabe

      Hear, Hear Dan Az, these nutz in Washington have made it too easy to be lazy, and at the same time ensured they’re votes!__

      99 weeks of un-employment, the longer they make it, the longer they will wait to either create a life for themselves or find a job!

      • 45caliber

        When I drew unemployment (I’m not now, thank GoD!) I would look for a job in my field when drawing. If I couldn’t find one I would look for a job outside my field as well after half the unemployment was gone. I wouldn’t look for a job that paid less than unemployment until it ran out. One of my wife’s friends was very indignant that I didn’t get one that paid less before it ran out until her husband was laid off. Then she changed her mind.

        • Dan az

          Good for 45
          I know this guy that was collect unemployment until he started to look for work.He thought that why work if I can live off them.But when it ran out he ended up getting a lessor job and pay because the job that I told him about would have lasted and payed equal if not more than what he was getting doing nothing.Now the lines for any job that comes up has 3 hundred people applying for them.Its tough out there now.I had always worked for my self until I couldn’t anymore,And really miss working.Either you had money but no time or you had time but no money.I fall into the later its a drag.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Dan az,
      My wife says good idea on the superglue but she says it would work on those deadbeat dads as well!!! OUCH!!!

  • Patriot

    Excellent article, Mr. Livingston.

  • shvlhdruss

    “Tax the rich, feed the poor,
    til there is no rich no more”
    Alvin Lee, 1971

  • jopa

    End corporate welfare today, cut out all the tax loopholes,end the Bush tax cuts that is just a form of welfare for the rich and make America an empire of envy once again.

    • Jay

      You forgot to add one important item to the list jopa. End the Federal Reserve!!!

  • Mike

    Defense- 20%
    Social Security – 20%
    Retirement Benefits – 20%
    Medicare – 21%
    Food stamps/housing/social programs – 14%

    Are the numbers correct? I count about 95% of the total based on the items listed above. Does that mean that the remaining agencies (e.g. USDA, GSA, FDIC, Etc) have to share the last 5%?

    Someone please explain… I wish this article had an actual pie chart.

    • Mike
    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Mike,

      Did you go to the source links I provided for your convenience? There is a chart there. The remainder goes to pay interest on the debt.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Mike

        Bob- No sorry, didn’t catch that hyperlink. Got it now.

        I have some liberal teacher friends and we get in some nice debates. They try to end the conversation with “it’s all the fault of the Bush administration.” Now I have some specific talking points. It’s nice to be able to roll up the sleeves and talk about what we are really paying for.

        • DaveH

          Mike,
          Just ask them what Bush did that was wrong. Whatever they say, you can point out that Obama is doing the same and much more — the same wild spending (and more), the same war-mongering (and more), etc.
          Teach them that it’s Big Government in general that is the Problem.

          • bob wire

            Hmm, even if that “might be” so Dave (which I doubt),3 years of doing wrong is a far cry from 8 years of doing wrong anyway you might look at it.

            What “W” did, I didn’t like and what he didn’t do, I didn’t like.

            Would like for me to get out my list?

          • djdrew103

            What was wrong was that our country suffered at the hands of a corrupt political engine that cost our nation 1,000 days to reach a debt increase/deficit deal. What happened was that our country suffered a corrupt political engine that took banking regulation away and sent our country into a financial collapse. What happened was that we as a people are afflicted by the same corrupt political engine that stalled and implemented strangleholds on our legislative branches for nothing other than popularity as a political party, to merely make another political engine look incompetent. What is happening even now, is we suffer from a dissident populace that refuses to look at the hands in the actual pot, the engine that seeks to prevent fair taxing for all, the hand that seeks political power rather than what is good for the people. What is happening is that people won’t answer questions for themselves in an intelligent manner, such as:

            Do you really think out of the Republican candidates of the time, that after 2008 they would have NOT implemented a Stimulus package? Do you think a Republican in office would have gotten us out of two wars any sooner, without playing puppet to the elite forces already in power that sustained the life of those two wars? Do you really think that they would have magically waved a wand around and cured the financial plight of a nation that is suffering just like many other nations throughout the world, somehow exempting us from the infection that spread from the financial collapse? Do you really think they would have stopped the necessary unemployment when there were no jobs out there? Do you think their magic would have supernaturally made a 9+% unemployment problem go away?

            The month before Obama took office, U.S. employers cut almost 600,000 jobs in that month alone, boosting unemployment up to 7.6%. It was the worst month of job losses since December 1974 (four months after Gerald Ford took over after Richard Nixon’s resignation) and the end of the biggest three month drop since immediately after WWII when the defense industry was ramping down after war. But if we want to illuminate the complete and total ineffectiveness of Bush’s tax cuts on job creation, try this fact about the last year of the Bush presidency:

            3.6 million jobs were lost from January 2008 to January 2009, when the unemployment rate was at its highest level since September 1992 (when George Bush senior was still in office). Of those 3.6 million, 2.5 million jobs were lost just since Labor Day 2008.

          • djdrew103

            After peaking at 6.4% in June of 2003, unemployment slowly backed down to 5% by June 2005, but employer payrolls kept coming in weaker than forecasted (nine out of the previous 12 months). In 2008, national unemployment skyrocketed from 5% in January to 7.3% in December, jumping another half point to 7.8% by the time Obama took office. Unemployment hit the peak of it’s upward trajectory in October of 2009, as President Obama put a halt on the Bush surge that had more than doubled to 10.1% from a low of 4.2% that Clinton left him way back in January 2001.

          • djdrew103

            So yes, I can see where someone can use the statistics to claim that Obama had a in ineffectual incompetent agenda to employment. What I don’t swallow is that, given the Republican agenda now of cutting programs, and what is obviously a tactic of taking from lower income programs while not even affecting the rich and wealthy, that they would have purposed a healthier outcome, affecting the major face of our nation, we the people, with less burden and infectious politics that brought about our downfall anyways.

          • Mike

            Funny… The liberal sleight of hand. Look here! Look at what Bush did.

            Meanwhile the people are ignoring this ridiculous social program spending. If they really knew we’d have a revolution.

            But of course the people that would fight revolution are already busy working. We are capitalists after all.

        • djdrew103

          64% Say Americans Are Overtaxed, Political Class Disagrees

          Roughly two-out-of-three voters think Americans are overtaxed, and nearly as many say any federal tax increase should be subject to a vote by the American people. Complicating things for would-be budget cutters, however, is the belief by even more that any changes in Social Security and Medicare also should be voted on by the public.

          A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 64% of Likely U.S. Voters believe America is overtaxed. Twenty-four percent (24%) disagree, and 11% are undecided.

          • djdrew103

            It’s a fact that the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy did not create jobs and have in fact accompanied massive layoffs and debt. To think that they will somehow begin to work creating jobs after a decade of failure is insanity. And for the record, in a January 2009 CNN poll done just before Obama took office, the number one priority of Americans polled were JOBS. And it’s about damn time for some real action. Though Obama is presiding, it is up to Congress to pass bills and laws that he can sign. Until Congress gets real about fiscal policies that actually create or destroy jobs, our nations’ millions of unemployed are left hanging in the balance. President Obama’s American Jobs Act is a good start but it is Congress that has to do the heavy lifting of passing it with bipartisan support coming into an election year

          • DaveH

            Government doesn’t create productive jobs, djdrew103. They take from the private sector, much of whose money goes into capital investment resulting in more productivity, and they consume that money.
            If Governments could create productive jobs, there would be no poor countries. And those countries with the Biggest Governments would be the most prosperous. In fact, it is just the opposite.
            Look at the countries at the top of the list (the least government), and compare their economies to those of the countries at the bottom of the list (the most government):
            http://heritage.org/index/ranking

            Experience is the best teacher.
            But we can deduce that simply by asking ourselves who is going to work harder, those who have secure Government jobs which aren’t affected by the need to show a profit, or those who have insecure Private-sector jobs which must make a profit or go out of business?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            drew103,
            Name three PERMANENT jobs that the government /nobummer created!!

  • 45caliber

    I kind of missed one thing here. He mentions supplimental security, social security, and medicare but nothing on Welfare itself.

    • Mike

      Unemployment/Welfare = $571 Billion

      Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_federal_budget

      That’s almost as much as all DoD/War spending…

      • 45caliber

        Thanks. The sad part is that most of the money (other than DOD) is spent in ADMINISTRATION of the money rather than on the people who need it. I understand that less than 5% of this money actually gets to the people who need it.

  • Mirage

    Didn’t read this article because I’m weary of all the doom and gloom-end of the world forecasting on this right-site … just checked out the title, a couple paragraphs, and ran with “it”.
    Off the cuff, generally would agree that our government is incredibly wasteful via the aforementioned waring, welfare state etc.
    Don’t know if said article mentioned a huge part of our deficit can trace its lineage to George W. Bush’s two terms, and, for going against his Republican ideology and bailing his Wall Street/big business cronies.
    Since the article appears to trace its facts only going back to 2010, probably not. However, for histories sake, I think it is worth mentioning the private sector on Wall Street/big business is largely made up of white people as a demographic. Therefore, this highly educated, strategically (mis)-placed group of (mostly) white people, are probably the top tier contributors to America’s debt; not the convenient scape goat: Poor People.
    It does not give me great pleasure to say this, but it seems to be the truth, albeit, an inconvenient one.
    Ok, I’m ready, bring on the hate.

    • Jibbs

      It’s kind of tough to comment on something when you don’t know the topic or what was said. Kinda like eves dropping and bitching about something when you did not hear all that was said. (no pun intended)

      • Jibbs

        Reminds me of a xmas party with a bunch of friends with our wives. all the guys slipped into a room and shut the door(doing shots) hinding from the woman, when my best friends sister attemped to listen thru the door.

        Well, we started planning a fishing trip and all she heard was the word “trip”…guess what, she ran with it, and looked real stupid when the whole story came to light.
        She thought we meant acid trip. She sure looked dumb on that one.

    • DaveH

      So, you don’t read an article, but you feel free to comment on it?
      And who cares what George Bush did? He’s gone now. Maybe you don’t know that since you don’t read before you comment. All we can deal with is the here and now.
      And Bush wasn’t going against his Republican ideology when he bailed out the politically connected Cronies. The Republicans actually initiated Crony Capitalism in this country when their party was created. But the Democrats are certainly not innocent of Crony Capitalism. Witness the very obvious example of GE.
      What’s with the Racism, Mirage? And why do you think that people wanting more Freedom and less Government is hateful?

      • JeffH

        It’s all a mirage…

      • Thinking About

        Yes Bush is out of office but he left some things behind like unpaid war and debts not paid. Also tax cuts and not spending cuts to offset the tax cuts. If GWB would produce funds to cover the debt he left we could probably forget he was ever in office. Now that would be a pleasant thought.

        • Jay

          Yes, this is true TA, but obama is adding and increasing spending, and continuing the wars! Again, why is obama not reversing that which bush implemented? Why is obama continuing the war effort? Clearly, they are two birds from the same nest!

    • Jay

      Actually Mirage, the deficit, the fictitious debt, the interest on the fictitious debt, the inflation, the depression, the lack of industry, hence, lack of jobs, and the welfare nightmare that has been saddled on to us, can all be traced back, and laid at the feet of the crooks who instituted and operate the federal reserve, who’s partners in crime just happen to be our government!!! It’s well and good to deal with the symptoms, but until we deal with the root cause, the federal reserve, our actions our pointless!

  • George Peck

    Second worst and weakest copout in the history of mankind: “It could have been worse.” Yeah, and so could just about everything else bad that happened.

  • http://wfwilson6@msn.com Bill

    Social Security checks to seniors who have paid in all their lives is not welfare. Medicare to seniors who have paid in all their lives is not welfare. Welfare is receiving a government check, services, food, cell-phone, etc. that you did not pay for, that others who worked paid for. Please amend your article.

    • James

      Bill, You are certainly not alone in your thinking. But when the Social Security Act was challenged, as being unconstitutional, in Helvering v. Davis (1937), the High Court held that the Act does not call for the taxes it imposes on employees and employers to be ‘earmarked’ for old-age benefits. It held the tzxes and benefits are two separate things, and as such are welfare under Article I, Section 8, Clause 1, the ”general welfare’ clause.

      • DaveH

        We’ve hashed this over before, James. The General Welfare Clause was intended solely to mean that the Federal Government’s allocated powers were not to be applied unevenly to the states. It did not give the Federal Government carte blanche to assume any power they believed to be for the welfare of the people. In fact, the Confederate Constitution specifically left that phrase out since they experienced first-hand how it was being misused by the Hamiltonians.
        If the Federal Government was allowed to provide whatever they deemed to be for the general welfare, there would be no limits to their powers, and the Constitutional enumeration of powers would have been redundant and unnecessary.
        http://mises.org/daily/3254

        • James

          DaveH, I agree with that, and it’s still essentially true. However, what made the S.S. Act constitutional was the fact that the taxes imposed were not set aside, exclusively, for benefits. Just before Helvering, U.S. v. Butler (1936) held that FDR’s Agricultural Adjustment Act had been held unconstitutional because it taxed one group (food processors) for the benefit of another (foodgrowers). If the S.S. Act taxes had been ‘earmarked’ for benefits, it would have been held unconstitional, for taxing employees and employers for the benefit of retirees. The High Court has held that federal taxes may only be used to “support the government” not redistribute the wealth of Americans. In Helvering, it was aa close call, but Commisssioner of Internal Revenue Helvering explained to the Court that S.S. taxes were not set aside for benefits.
          Now, the situation has changed, the so-called “trust fund” (the S.S. taxes that haven’t been paid out as benefits) has been used to ‘buy’ treasury bonds, and constitute about 17% of our national debt. So Congress still keeps track of S.S. taxes separately, for show, but legally, they have never been kept separately.

  • Stephan F.

    Nice piece Bob. Like most of your writings, this one is packed with oh so much “truth & reality”. Good job.

  • 4-just_us

    We the people have knowingly or unknowingly have created a monster called “Government”, the very thing founding fathers warned us about has happened. We have become sheep who have lost our way. Its no longer an option to ask our representatives to do the right thing. They have become “people resistant”. If we the people want change then we the people have to take action.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    WE COULD GO BACK TO WHAT THE BIBLE TELLS US. “IF YOU DON’T WORK YOU DON’T EAT.”.

  • jopa

    I thought we were supposed to honor our men and women in uniform.The above article has them on a mission of nation bombing, killing women and children in a phony war on terror.What happened to the patriotism in this country or even just this site?

    • Bob from SoCal

      I honor our military and the men and women in it. Most of them are just doing their duty and following orders. But when the Globalist elite have taken over our military through the pentagon to further the agenda of a one world government, I say that these useless wars need to stop. I do believe that war is sometimes necessary. At this moment in time we should not be in any conflicts. We are not being attacked nor are our allies. Israel is perfectly capable of defending itself if we get out of its way. The war on terror is a false flag used to install a police state. Why was it necessary to kill 1.5 million Iraqis when the objective was to topple Saddam Hussein. Why are our troops in Afghanistan being used to grow opium so that addicts here can continue using heroin. We have 850 bases of various sizes around the world. These are not cheap. Many women and children are bombed by CIA drones around the globe and that’s just collateral damage. Aren’t we supposed to be the good guys, rushing in to save the day. Take away the Globalist control of our military and I will be more comfortable with their deployment.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Bob from SoCal,
        Please post a site where I can see that our troops are being used to actually grow opium! Please make it a reputable site, as well!!

  • 45caliber

    Just a note.

    The Federal Election Commission has just ruled that a “naturalized” American citizen (in other words, someone born in another country by taking an oath of allegience here) counts as the same as a “natural born American citizen and can therefore run for President.

    See the article at wnd.com.

    • Angel Wannabe

      45___Well they gotta go through some hurdles b4 that happens___To me, That means they just trumped the Constitution!

      article here_____

      http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=348933

      • Angel Wannabe

        aw, this is being done for one reason, to try and get Bam Bam off the hook about his eligibility as Prez!__You watch!

        • 45caliber

          I completely agree. I think that is the only reason this was brought up.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Angel Wannabe,
          Remember Scamnesty? time to BURN up the wires, the internet AND overload the post office!! This is treasonist behavior!! This also means that AHNOLD can run as well!!! Pure BULL$HIT!!!

  • e. henderson

    People always shy away from this but as far as I’m concerned, there should be no welfare for so called ‘mommies’ who have children with no real means of supporting them. Either their ‘family’ helps them out, or they take away the ‘bastards’. Furthermore, I would norplant repeat offenders. Everything else requires a license, mainly to prove one is capable of doing the required task, drivers license, pilots license, etc. We as a society are far too free and easy with bestowing the term ‘mother’ on any piece of human garbage whose sexual parts work. Same goes for ‘father’. Then reward said human garbage with financial incentive to further exacerbate the problem.

    • Angel Wannabe

      e Henderson, Geez_ ya mean like the OCTO MOM?

      __Seems like its a trend today to have a child single.__Our Daughter had our Grand daughter, and then She and the Boy friend decided they didn’t love each other????_ She and her ex have come to terms and get along for the sake of their daughter._Our Daughter has since married and has another child with her current husband and they all have a decent relationship for the sake of the Family._-I’m not sayin this works every time, but people have to at least try, before they deem it a failure.

  • Libertarian58

    Both warfare and welfare help build the government. The “left” (welfare) and the “right”(warfare)are flip sides of the same coin, both working toward the same goals, global government. The Hegelian Dialectic is the Marxist methodology being skillfully used to divide and conquer us. The Communist “left” and the Fascist “right” are both actually left wing ideologies, the only true right wing ideology being Liberty which is no longer being supported by either “side”. Only Ron Paul is on the side of liberty and is being ridiculed by BOTH SIDES of the “two party” establishment. Nearly all of the “public” are being played like a fiddle to support the NWO and don’t even know it. Whether you support obama or Perry/Romney, the outcome will be the same, MORE GOVERNMENT.

    • Karolyn

      And coming up from the rear is…….Christie!

  • Mike

    Now that I’ve had a chance to digest the numbers… some thoughts.

    I think it’s interesting how the democratic party is going on the offensive lately. A last gasp to blame Bush, the GOP, and the Tea Party for our tough times. But it’s a sleight of hand trick to get people to look the wrong way.

    If one looks at the lion share of the spending you can see that, for all the criticism of the war, the DoD costs pale in comparison to the social programs we have in place.

    2010 Budget
    Medicare/Medicaid – 20.92% (Mandatory)
    Social Security – 19.57% (Mandatory)
    DoD/Wars – 18.69% (Discretionary)
    Unemployment/Welfare – 16.08% (Mandatory)
    Interest on Debt – 4.62% (Mandatory)
    Agencies/Misc. – 20.13% (Descretionary)

    Some logical questions:

    1) Obama has been in office almost three years now. He sets the agenda and he sets discretionary spending. Not the republicans. Yet why hasn’t Obama put an end to the war efforts? Why haven’t his supporters pressured the administration to end the wars? Is the war spending as hot issue for the left as they make it out to be? This is an administration that campaigned on a platform of peace and diplomacy in the Middle East. The reality of his agenda has been the opposite – we now have three wars – has the mainstream press brought this to light?

    2) We already spend a large bulk of the budget (21%) on Medicare and Medicaid to assist the poor and elderly. Yet apparently that is not enough. The biggest priority for the Obama administration was to create another healthcare program. Wouldn’t the logical agenda include an effort to reform the existing programs to cut cuts and possibly cover more people?

    3) Tea Partiers in particular want more fiscal responsibility. They want to be careful with spending and debt. The left resists this and seems shocked when the right suggests ending NASA or the EPA. The fact is, the US spent more on debt interest in 2010 than it did on either of those two agencies combined. Do the liberals want this? Do they want our debt payments to exceed the costs of agencies that they deem critical?

    Fun stuff… don’t fall for the liberals tactics.

  • Gil1k

    How can the welfare recipients, not only the poor but the wealthy and middle class welfare recipients be convinced that they are destroying America. The loose easy money policies created by politicians is too tempting for them to even try and resist standing in line for free benefits and free money. loopholes and other forms of relief everywhere not just for corporations but for the common Americans. Easy money for businesses which should not be started, but are, solely for the purpose of getting the easy money such as the recent solar business that quickly went belly up. There are so many more small and middle sized businesses that are doing the same but they are not so visible. Why, because they manage to last from one or two years before falling and the president didn’t get so into them. Not to mention the too large to fail organizations. One of the auto manufacturers that was bailed out is back on their insider spending spree and it won’t surprise me if it runs to the tax payer again soon. The US Postal Service has for a very long time suffered from poor management, greedy unions, and greedy employees that demand gigantic benefits and pay that are not equivalent to their skills, productivity, and innovation. They rely on government easy money to supplement their lack of ability. Everyone knows the American education system is a failure in general, some people mostly the wealthy do get a good education but they also have a great deal of other resources available to them aside from the best private schools. The general education system is riddled with corruption, incompetence, inability, and lack of responsibility. These people also rely on the government and politicians such as the present president to support their continued growth in the same usual manner and without restraint. Government employment in general is another gigantic group with the same faults as the post office and the education system. These people are totally dependent on the present type of government. The United States Armed Forces again suffers from these same ills, and please I’m not referring to our fighting troops these guys just go lay their lives on the line and have nothing to do with the corruption and decisions made at upper levels. I’m referring to those administrators involved in the politics of war, the purchasing of supplies and services, and the actual handling of large sums of cash money. They depend on a faulty government that will be or pretend to be blind to their ills and will support them with blind servitude. Then there are those who have been on the unemployment payroll for years, taking a vacation, not upgrading their education and skills. The Americans on welfare, food stamps, undeserved medicaid, government supported housing. Illegal aliens have discovered this weakness many years ago and now many of them come into the USA looking for divorced women living in these conditions where they can establish a residence have use of the car and generally enjoy the benefits of government to the American poor overnight. Criminals enjoying comfortable cells, televisions, cell phones, workout rooms and medical benefits at the cost of those they aggressed against. The American criminal justice system has been turned into a circus, it is arguable that some justice is possible within it. The questions are at what cost, who pays for it, does it work, who benefits from it, is it a deterrent, does it provide good value for the buck, and most importantly who is the justice system serving. If you look into it you will probably find mostly negative results, but the worse part of it all is that you might find that it is not serving the honest law abiding citizen, but the administrators, the attorneys, the contractors and the service and product providers that deal with the criminal justice system. Then there are the war mongering corporations, businesses and independent contractors that depend on a large overly equipped, overly manned military, involved in as large and as many wars as possible. You also have the overly compensated politicians along with wall street, the bankers, their wives all of which could be written about in encyclopedic proportions. Not to mention the burden they have placed on their children, because if they had cared about that they would have stopped it decades ago. All these and many more depend on a faulty, uncontrolled, irresponsible, easy money government. So now the question is, how can Representative Ron Paul ever manage to get elected to president when all these people who make up a much larger portion of the voting population are terribly afraid of him. How can these people be convinced that there is only so much meat on a cow that is now close to the bone. Well once they get done with the United States of America, there won’t be another one like it. Then who is going to support them, what other country do they think is going to welcome their corruption, incompetence, un-creativity, their unproductive overly dependence and lack of self control when the other nations are just as bad or worse than we are.

    • Raggs

      You are correct.. You have named many of the problems that this country currently has and that this country has had for a long time.
      This IS exactly how the government gets control over the people.. It is a perpetual dependency issue that is perpetrated by a socialistic nanny state. And to your question how do we solve this? Let GOD take care of this.

  • Angel Wannabe

    Bob Livingston__Just a heads up (I don’t know if its my ‘puter) or Don’t know if anyone else is having trouble again with the website, but I can’t get on your site through internet explorer. __Its depicting “internal service error” and “website can’t display”__Thanks AWB

    • JeffH

      Angel Wannabe, yeah, I’ve been experiencing the same thing and now that I’m connected it takes forever to get a comment on the board. Possibly users overloading the system “or” another entity causing the slow-up and connection.

      I don’t think it’s your ‘puter.

      • Angel Wannabe

        JeffH, Now its cutting off my posting name & email mail addy here__WTH ????__I have to re-type everything!

    • Karolyn

      I’ve had that problem too today, just like the other day. Actually, on a normal day, this site takes way longer to load than any other. I’ve had several different error messages today but not as bad as Saturday, or was it Friday?

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Angel Wannabe,

      We are still experiencing technical difficulties. Sorry for the inconvenience.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Angel Wannabe

        Not a problem Bob, I just switched engines.__Thank You!

    • Al Sieber

      Me also Angel, don’t give up.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Al Sieber__NEVA! :)

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Al Sieber,
        Technical difficulties or is it government interference??? Our thoughts and comments aren’t real popular there!!!

        • Angel Wannabe

          Joeh, My sentiments exactly!

        • Al Sieber

          You could be right Joe, wouldn’t surprise me.

  • C Mack

    One of the wrong thing that republicans do, is try to put all programs into one shoe. They want consider doing a little at a time. The fact is that you had your chance during the bush years , now all of a sudden,you become so righteous.Please , give me a break, another fact is rick perry was talking about job creation in his state, when the truth is that 40% of the people who were hired were illegal immigrants.

  • Anti war conservative

    Dear Bob,
    You say ’75 percent of the total United States budget goes to making war or paying people’ and 20 percent goes to the wars. You are looking at the wrong statistics. Actually 60 percent of the budget is war related…Pentagon, Dept of Defense, Veterans Affairs, Weapons programs, Military on bases around the world.

    That really leaves only 15% for the ‘welfare’ all the other responses are complaining about.

    Why are people NOT upset about the wars! The multiple wars have nothing to do with defending America and everything to do with stealing from the American peolple and destroying America.

    Wikipedia says:
    As of June 1, 2010 both wars had a combined estimated cost of over 1 trillion dollars.
    One Day of just the Iraq War = 720 Million Dollars, How Would You Spend it?

    • eddie47d

      Pro war people all over the world think of gallantry and not the dollars and death that consume a nation.

    • Raggs

      You would not be talking about the “non-war” in Libya by any chance huh?… Well I guess that sence oblama started this one it is perfectly ok huh?

  • Raggs

    I just seen something on Fox that I think that is a disgrace.
    oblama had a gathering of paid supporters for his re-election campaign.
    During a sound bite a man was begging oblama to “please raise my taxes” obviously this clown was bought and paid for in an attempt to skew the publics opinion towards socialist wealth redistribution. This is the only thing that oblama has to run a campaign on sence he has royally skrewed this country up…

  • http://MSNHotMail Robert Ryan

    In response to Dave H. (from Robert Ryan): The WPA and CCC were initiated during a brutal Depression IN WHICH PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS WERE SCARCE AS HENS TEETH! The so-called free market of the late 1920′s was in fact a rigged casino almost completely unregulated by government (shades of the 200′s housing bubble). THIS is what destroyed our economy back then, not socialist policies. Finally, although there was undoubtedly some “boondoggling” involved with these two programs, many solid structures were built and millions of unemployed were given hope and dignity!

    • Karolyn

      Yes, many beautiful structures and artwork from that time still exist. I used to live near the Doris Duke estate in NJ, and CCC workers were used to construct all of the stone walls and structures around it. It is absolutely beautiful.

      • eddie47d

        Same here in Colorado and my step father who lived in Iowa but worked in the coal mines in Northern Missouri worked in the CCC camps after the mines shut down. So did his two brothers.He said it was a life saver(that happened before he adopted me).

  • Average Joe

    I am not meaning to criticize anyone for careless mistakes in grammer (we all do it from time to time), however, it makes us much more believable when we write using proper grammer as well as proper useage for our words when used in written form.

    I notice a lot of people use incorect words when posting.
    Examples:

    There…A place…such as I put the book over there by the window.
    Their…Shows possession…such as… The car that I am driving was theirs before I bought it from them.
    They’re…A conjunction of two words…They are…such as….They’re going to the movies at the new mall.

    Then…A time period….such as… We went to a movie and then we went to dinner… or…We are going to see a movie and then we are going straight home.

    Than…is used in comparisons…such as…I like green rather than blue.

    To…To has two functions. First, as a preposition, in which case it always precedes a noun.

    I’m going to the store

    He went to Italy

    This belongs to David.

    Secondly, to indicates an infinitive when it precedes a verb.

    I need to study.

    We want to help.

    He’s going to eat.

    Too…Too also has two uses. First, as a synonym for “also”:

    Can I go too?

    He went to France too.

    I think that’s Paul’s book too.

    Secondly, too means excessively when it precedes an adjective or adverb.

    I’m too tired.

    He’s walking too quickly.

    I ate too much.

    Two…A number…such as…2

    I only point these things out in a hope of ensuring that we all become better writers that can actually get our messages to read the same way we think them.

    There is no way that writers can be tamed and rendered civilized or even cured. The only solution known to science is to provide the patient with an isolation room, where he can endure the acute stages in private and where food can be poked in to him with a stick.
    Robert A. Heinlein

    • Raggs

      Oh you must be talking about people that spell incorrectly as yourself.

      Here is what you typed… I notice a lot of people use incorect words when posting.

    • Raggs

      But I guess that you do have a point… I don’t know why we had to learn cursive in school other than to be able to sign our name.. And I huess you will say something about my word “don’t”.

    • Average Joe

      Nope, I won’t …glad you caught it. Sometimes my keys stick…and sometimes I don’t proof read before I post. As I stated….we all do it. What gets to me, is when I hit post and notice an error (as it’s posting)….too bad we can’t go back and edit. My post however, was more about correct use of words than it was about spelling. BTW, the word “don’t” is correctly spelled….the word “huess”, I do have my doubts about though…..lol

  • Lino

    Good article Mr. Livingston but I have a question on your “Aside”
    comments. The war in Iraq is going on 20 years and the war in Afghanistan is going on for 12 years? I thought Pres. Bush went to
    war with Afghansitan before he went to war with Iraq.

    • Average Joe

      Mr. livingston is refferring to the war in Iraq that started with Bush 1. The “War” never actually ended since we have had a no fly zone over the country the entire time (between Bush 1 and Bush 2) as well as “selective” air and drone assaults in certain areas of the country. So yes, the war in Iraq has been going on for twenty years.

      • Lino

        Thanks Joe, I appreciate it.

  • Lino

    Sorry for the number of year’s error. It should have been 21 years of war in Iraq and 10 years in Afghanistan. Unless of course if you include the Prs. Bush perre “Desert Storm” war about Kuwait then the
    war with Iraq is longer than the war in Afghanistan

  • chuckb

    that’s the problem with you bolshevik types. the wpa and ccc did not create jobs and did not end the depression. world war 2 ended the depression. unemployment was at least 20% in 1941. these were socialist policies, even though they may have helped some it was not the answer. the government does not create jobs, the wpa was a welfare type of government employment. we have only speculation what would have happened if the war never came about. roosevelt and barry soetoro have a lot in common, both love socialistic policies and that doesn’t work in the long run.

  • Jay

    A most excellent article Mr. Livingston! You have skilfully drawn the curtains aside and have exposed the ugly truth that is our present administration. For those who deny that our present potus is a war-monger, in the pockets of trans-national banking, and corporate elites, the above article, accompanied by unquestionable sources, should, silence the nay-sayers. But, will the truth set them free and lead them to bear political arms, and to fight the corruption? Abolish the un-constitutional Federal Reserve, end the war in the middle east, expel foreign controlling interests in America, Re-establish the lighthouse of America, which is the Constitution! -Ron Paul 2012!

  • jopa

    Average Joe;I don’t usually criticize but I think you spelled grammar wrong a couple of times.That’s okay though we all do it from time to time.

  • jopa

    Lino;We still have troops in Japan and Germany since WWII.I think about the only place we don’t is Vietnam.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      jopa,
      only because the prisoners that were still alive were sent to Russia and China!! Read “Kiss the Boys Goodbye”!!!

  • Buck

    Vote for Ron Paul and you will see these people come home and our military budget come down .

  • MICKEY BAKER

    Collapse Government so WE THE PEOPLE don`t have to kill you, or burn WHITE HOUSE DOWN!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      mickey,
      word to the wise, I’d watch your comments a little!!

  • Jay

    I place economy among the first and most important virtues, and public debt as the greatest danger to be feared. To preserve our independence, we must not let our leaders load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts, we must be taxed in our meat and drink, in our necessities and in our comforts, in our labors and our amusements. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy. The same prudence which in private life would forbid our paying money for unexplained projects forbids its disposition of public money.
    ~ Thomas Jefferson

  • Mike

    Interesting

    Welfare/Unemployment spending in 2008 = $324 Billion
    Welfare/Unemployment spending in 2011 = $571 Billion

    Why the big increase? Do the Liberals blame Bush for this? Citing job losses.

    I wonder how our energy policy plays in… The do gooders have essentially tied our hands. No Nuclear plants. No more oil permits- you have to go to Brazil for that (-:

    • Raggs

      That would be why oblama and soros spent billions in tax dollars investing in Petro-brazil. Look it up it’s all there in black and white…

    • Nancy B

      Actually, it is quite simple to figure out. Starting in 2008, large quantities of middle-class, middle-aged citizens were down-sized, laid off or whatever businesses want to call it. Other businesses collapsed, leaving thousands of other middle-class workers without jobs. This new generation of unemployed were earning much higher salaries than those who typically were unemployed prior to 2008, so their weekly unemployment insurance benefits are often at the top of the scale. They are also unemployed for long periods, due to the general economic depression we’ve been in for the last 3 years, and businesses being hesitant to hire someone who is middle-aged, “over-qualified” and has been out of the workforce for a year or more. Many of those middle-class workers who lost their jobs in 2008 have now maxed out their extended benefits, and still have not found jobs, so they are ending up on the “welfare” rolls. These workers would have simply ended up on the “welfare” rolls sooner without the extended unemployment benefits. Until businesses create more jobs and dedicate themselves to hiring the middle-class back, we will continue to see high rates of welfare / unemployment spending.

      The other option is that we’ve all become extremely lazy and feel more entitled over the last 3 years (LOL!). I guess some people actually think that, don’t they? If that were the case, would HR departments be receiving thousands of applications for one job posting? For people who have forgotten, filling out a job application properly is not a quick and easy task, nor is re-working your cover letter and resume for every position you apply for. Applying for 1 job can easily take 2 hours (and that’s not counting the time spent actually locating the jobs you want to apply for).

      • Nancy B

        And just to clarify, I don’t blame Bush for the job losses. I blame the greed of executives of large companies. $1M a month in salary and benefits aren’t enough, so they just laid off thousands of employees or move jobs overseas to hire cheaper labor, to create a larger profit margin so they can give themselves a raise. I’m sorry, but if you are unable to support your family on $1M a month, I don’t think you are capable of running a company. And if you honestly think you work hard enough to earn that salary, you are either a psychopath or just plain narcissistic. Their greed will eventually be their downfall, however, because eventually there will either be 1) nobody left who can afford to buy their products or 2) no employees left to cut.

  • Jay

    “The heavens will reveal their inequities and the earth shall rise up against them. There is nothing reliable in what they say; Their inward part is destruction itself; Their throat is an open grave . . . Hold them guilty, O’God; By their own devices let them fall! In the multitude of their transgressions thrust them out, For they are rebellious against THEE. That the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of GOD.”
    (Job 20:27; Psalms 5:9-10; Romans 8:21)

  • chuckb

    I often wondered why it is that Conservatives are called the “right” and Liberals are called the “left”. By chance I stumbled upon this verse in the Bible:

    “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV) Thus sayeth the Lord. Amen.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      chuckb,
      Very Good!!!!

  • Jay

    How and Why International Bankers Make Wars.

    http://bigeye.com/bankers_make_war.htm

  • Jay

    31 Questions and Answers about
    the Internal Revenue Service

    1.Is the Internal Revenue Service (“IRS”) an organization within the U.S. Department of the Treasury?

    Answer:  No. The IRS is not an organization within the United States Department of the Treasury.  The U.S. Department of the Treasury was organized by statutes now codified in Title 31 of the United States Code, abbreviated “31 U.S.C.”  The only mention of the IRS anywhere in 31 U.S.C. §§ 301‑313 is an authorization for the President to appoint an Assistant General Counsel in the U.S. Department of the Treasury to be the Chief Counsel for the IRS.  See 31 U.S.C. 301(f)(2).

    At footnote 23 in the case of Chrysler Corp. v. Brown, 441 U.S. 281 (1979), the U.S. Supreme Court admitted that no organic Act for the IRS could be found, after they searched for such an Act all the way back to the Civil War, which ended in the year 1865 A.D.  The Guarantee Clause in the U.S. Constitution guarantees the Rule of Law to all Americans (we are to be governed by Law and not by arbitrary bureaucrats).  See Article IV, Section 4.  Since there was no organic Act creating it, IRS is not a lawful organization.

    2.If not an organization within the U.S. Department of the Treasury, then what exactly is the IRS?

    Answer:  The IRS appears to be a collection agency working for foreign banks and operating out of Puerto Rico under color of the Federal Alcohol Administration (“FAA”).  But the FAA was promptly declared unconstitutional inside the 50 States by the U.S. Supreme Court in the case of U.S. v. Constantine, 296 U.S. 287 (1935), because Prohibition had already been repealed.

    In 1998, the United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit identified a second “Secretary of the Treasury” as a man by the name of Manual Díaz-Saldaña.  See the definitions of “Secretary” and “Secretary or his delegate” at 27 CFR 26.11 (formerly 27 CFR 250.11), and the published decision in Used Tire International, Inc. v. Manual Díaz-Saldaña, court docket number 97‑2348, September 11, 1998.  Both definitions mention Puerto Rico.

    When all the evidence is examined objectively, IRS appears to be a money laundry, extortion racket, and conspiracy to engage in a pattern of racketeering activity, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1951 and 1961 et seq. (“RICO”).  Think of Puerto RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act);  in other words, it is an organized crime syndicate operating under false and fraudulent pretenses.  See also the Sherman Act and the Lanham Act.

    3.By what legal authority, if any, has the IRS established offices inside the 50 States of the Union?

    Answer:  After much diligent research, several investigators have concluded that there is no known Act of Congress, nor any Executive Order, giving IRS lawful jurisdiction to operate within any of the 50 States of the Union.

    Their presence within the 50 States appears to stem from certain Agreements on Coordination of Tax Administration (“ACTA”), which officials in those States have consummated with the Commissioner of Internal Revenue.  A template for ACTA agreements can be found at the IRS Internet website and in the Supreme Law Library on the Internet.

    However, those ACTA agreements are demonstrably fraudulent, for example, by expressly defining “IRS” as a lawful bureau within the U.S. Department of the Treasury.  (See Answer to Question 1 above.)  Moreover, those ACTA agreements also appear to violate State laws requiring competitive bidding before such a service contract can be awarded by a State government to any subcontractor.  There is no evidence to indicate that ACTA agreements were reached after competitive bidding processes;  on the contrary, the IRS is adamant about maintaining a monopoly syndicate.

    4.Can IRS legally show “Department of the Treasury” on their outgoing mail?

    Answer:  No.  It is obvious that such deceptive nomenclature is intended to convey the false impression that IRS is a lawful bureau or department within the U.S. Department of the Treasury.  Federal laws prohibit the use of United States Mail for fraudulent purposes. Every piece of U.S. Mail sent from IRS with “Department of the Treasury” in the return address, is one count of mail fraud.  See also 31 U.S.C. 333.

    5.Does the U.S. Department of Justice have power of attorney to represent the IRS in federal court?

    Answer: No. Although the U.S. Department of Justice (“DOJ”) does have power of attorney to represent federal agencies before federal courts, the IRS is not an “agency” as that term is legally defined in the Freedom of Information Act or in the Administrative Procedures Act.  The governments of all federal Territories are expressly excluded from the definition of federal “agency” by Act of Congress.  See 5 U.S.C. 551(1)(C).

    Since IRS is domiciled in Puerto Rico (RICO?), it is thereby excluded from the definition of federal agencies which can be represented by the DOJ.  The IRS Chief Counsel, appointed by the President under authority of 31 U.S.C. 301(f)(2), can appear, or appoint a delegate to appear in federal court on behalf of IRS and IRS employees.  Again, see the Answer to Question 1 above.  As far as powers of attorney are concerned, the chain of command begins with Congress, flows to the President, and then to the IRS Chief Counsel, and NOT to the U.S. Department of Justice.

    Continued: http://www.supremelaw.org/sls/31answers.htm 

  • Jay

    Our Enemy, the State

    If we look beneath the surface of our public affairs, we can discern one fundamental fact, namely: a great redistribution of power between society and the State. This is the fact that interests the student of civilization. He has only a secondary or derived interest in matters like price-fixing, wage-fixing, inflation, political banking, “agricultural adjustment,” and similar items of State policy that fill the pages of newspapers and the mouths of publicists and politicians. All these can be run up under one head.

    They have an immediate and temporary importance, and for this reason they monopolize public attention, but they all come to the same thing; which is, an increase of State power and a corresponding decrease of social power.

    It is unfortunately none too well understood that, just as the State has no money of its own, so it has no power of its own. All the power it has is what society gives it, plus what it confiscates from time to time on one pretext or another; there is no other source from which State power can be drawn. Therefore every assumption of State power, whether by gift or seizure, leaves society with so much less power; there is never, nor can there be, any strengthening of State power without a corresponding and roughly equivalent depletion of social power.

    Moreover, it follows that with any exercise of State power, not only the exercise of social power in the same direction, but the disposition to exercise it in that direction, tends to dwindle. Mayor Gaynor astonished the whole of New York when he pointed out to a correspondent who had been complaining about the inefficiency of the police, that any citizen has the right to arrest a malefactor and bring him before a magistrate. “The law of England and of this country,” he wrote, “has been very careful to confer no more right in that respect upon policemen and constables than it confers on every citizen.” State exercise of that right through a police force had gone on so steadily that not only were citizens indisposed to exercise it, but probably not one in ten thousand knew he had it.

    Heretofore in this country sudden crises of misfortune have been met by a mobilization of social power. In fact (except for certain institutional enterprises like the home for the aged, the lunatic-asylum, city-hospital and county-poorhouse) destitution, unemployment, “depression” and similar ills, have been no concern of the State, but have been relieved by the application of social power. Under Mr. Roosevelt, however, the State assumed this function, publicly announcing the doctrine, brand-new in our history, that the State owes its citizens a living. Students of politics, of course, saw in this merely an astute proposal for a prodigious enhancement of State power; merely what, as long ago as 1794, James Madison called “the old trick of turning every contingency into a resource for accumulating force in the government”; and the passage of time has proved that they were right. The effect of this upon the balance between State power and social power is clear, and also its effect of a general indoctrination with the idea that an exercise of social power upon such matters is no longer called for.

    It is largely in this way that the progressive conversion of social power into State power becomes acceptable and gets itself accepted.[1]

    [1] The result of a questionnaire published in July, 1935, showed that 76.8 per cent of the replies favourable to the idea that it is the State’s duty to see that every person who wants a job shall have one; 20.1 per cent were against it, and 3.1 per cent were undecided.

    Continued: http://bigeye.com/enemy.htm

  • Jay

    The Jefferson of Our Time: by Thomas J. DiLorenzo

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo137.html

  • http://personalliberty.com Allan S

    The money for social security has already been paid by American workers. If the government cannot pay it than it must be declared insolvent and federal assets sold off until it is paid before other debts, not after. If SS is not paid the government is bankrupt and that is that.

    As for Welfare, that is a different matter and I would like to know why we are bringing boatloads of Somalis into the USA and immediately putting them on welfare. I guess there must be a lot of leftover unclaimed money in the welfare fund if we can do that.

  • Larry

    Your comments about the SS Trust Fund are baitent lies. The payroll taxes I paid before I retired were among the few that was pleased to pay. I was fortunate and paid the maximum. I wrote the following to explain to people in my area how SS money flows:

    “Contributions are received by the Treasury and essentially immediately converted to (invested in) Special Treasuries and added to the total value of the securities in the SS Trust Fund. Interest is added every month and based on the average of the rates of the 4- and greater-year treasury bonds. Yes, the cash is added to the cash held by the Treasury; as with the cash received from the issuance (selling) of any other treasury security. The special treasuries are not marketable but are backed by the full faith and credit of the Government just as any treasury security. Treasury securities should be the most secure of possible investments of the funds in the Trust Fund.

    Benefits, as determined by SS, are paid by the Treasury and the dollars are obtained by redeeming the required amount of Special Treasuries from the Trust Fund. It is all handled by computers.

    The costs of running SS are paid for just as benefits but amount to less than 2 percent of total benefits.

    The Trust Fund balance on July 31 was $2.498 trillion or about 17.1 percent of our $14.9 trillion debt. The majority of this is the result of the payroll tax increase introduced in 1984 in response to the Greenspan Commission 1983 report, which was intended to help cover the increase in benefits resulting from the retirement of the Baby Boomers. Their retirement has started but the Fund continues to grow for a few years as a result of interest; though the rate is lower than expected in 1984.”

    You totally ignored the real problem in the Governments budget and that is the FRAUDULENT UNIFIED BUDGET that mixes dedicated taxes like the payroll tax with taxes for general revenues. It was created by Johnson to help hide the cost of the Viet Nam war but used by every Administration after. Reagan promised before being elected to eliminate it; the primary reason he received my vote. But he used it like all of the rest. Without it, everyone would understand that he never had a surplus.

  • chuckb

    what trust fund? there hasn’t been a trust fund since johnson dumped it into the general fund.

  • http://ellsmere.wordpress.com/ Jen

    Bob; all I see is another “angry” attach on everything. Step-by-step instructions would be appreciated; I’m not even very good at paint-by-numbers. What’s the plan? How are you going to turn things around? The details, the logistics…? Once I know that, I might have more specific questions.

    • Jay

      Well Jen, to put it as simply as possible, our Government is in partnership with a banking cartel, referred to as, the Federal Reserve! The game plan? Simple. Dissolve the partnership! What i would recommend to you is to research the origin, and goal of the Federal Reserve. I think that once to come to grips of what the Federal Reserve is doing to you, and me, and the rest of the country, you too will be another “angry” citizen!

  • S.C. Murf

    When I first came home from Viet Nam in 1970 there were no jobs and in 71 with a baby daughter and my beautiful wife I had to find help to pay our rent when things were getting bad. I signed up for Govt. assistance and in return I raked leaves in one of our local cemeteries for a couple of weeks. Didn’t mind it a bit, family was kept warm and safe and I had some very interesting conversations. I believe it would be good for all of our citizens and help clean up this country.

    up the hill
    airborne

  • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

    You covered everything almost, The 14.2 trillion debt that China holds 1.2 Japan 800 billion? but Americans hold over 50% of this. Sweet when do we get our interest payment.

  • robert shrugged

    in the united states we give you freedom to try to get ahead. we do not give you the right to steal from the producers, and that is what you do when you apply for welfare and we give you a hand which you think is a right and that you can spend that money on whatever you want. you only have a allowance to spend on food clothing and a place to live in. wants are necessary items, not cigarettes, drugs(except priscription drugs for a medical ailment) and vacations for enjoyment. you need to find a job and move ahead. I believe that welfare should be not allowed for more 3 years. if you can not find work then you should be shown the illegal alliens who find work. then told when we have no more illegal alliens taking americans jobs we will see welfare disappear.

  • robert shrugged

    well

  • robert shrugged

    slayerwulfe I hate to tell you but , when you do get your interest it will be in federal reserve notes that have lost value so you might break even, but the government wins because the interest you get in federal reserve notes you have to pay taxes on the interest you get. the government always wins and you lose.

  • robert shrugged

    by the way the politicians always win and will always find new ways to screw you. But they will always tell you they are doing all this for your benifit, and they will always ask for you to vote for them so they can screw six ways from sunday.

  • robert shrugged

    I ment they can screw you six ways from sunday

  • Bud G.

    If it is good enough for the Federal Government, it should be allowed by States.

    I worked at the VA Hospital in Tampa and we had random drug testing on all employees so I fail to see where it is wrong to test for those receiving a handout. They have nothing to fear if they are clean. The statistics, according to a report of testing in Florida, found only two per cent were found positive but gave no statistics of the number who did not test. The result likely would have been much higher since drug use is epidemic in Florida.

    A line has to be drawn between common sense and what is and what is not constitutional and liberal interpretation by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) often blurs the issue. They already are responsible for many inane rulings by liberal judges on what constitutes free speech where actions have become a part of free speech. This is to be expected though since the leader of the ACLU is a Socialist and a challenge on the drug issue forthcoming.

  • AdVader

    nullify-terminate femini$$m-samesex-atheism,
    stop the filthy dirty gender-sex-war against children&fathers, hetero’s and normal families !

  • DJ

    Since you seem to know everything, can you please outline your entire solution to welfare and warfare to support the US? Think through each part of the solution and honestly project what the results will be. How many human deaths will there be?

    One person above says it took a war to bring us out of the depression caused by FDR. Why then are we going into a depression-like setting when we have plenty of wars going on?

    How can Social Security be termed an “entitlement welfare” when we have paid into it our whole lives? For example, I have paid in for 45 years. I think I deserve a check or just give me all the money back that I paid into SS and Medicare and I will stop complaining.

    I also wonder why we are bringing in people from other countries and paying them welfare and SSI but complaining when our own citizens get benefits.

    I cannot believe the people above that threaten to burn down the white house and other violent acts. It is like the GOP candidates and audience cheering about letting people without insurance die. This is a mental illness being displayed. There are a lot of mentally ill people out there today.

    • denniso

      Many of the ranters on this site appear to be mentally ill,and how could we know they are not?

      If FDR’s policies wrecked the country,then how is it that after the war and for more than 1/2 a century the country boomed to the point that we became the most dominant economy and military power that the world has ever seen? How did we build the largest and most affluent middle class ever w/ those terrible FDR programs? SS,higher tax on the wealthy,VA benefits like free college and medical care…

      These people won’t look at the history of the country and learn from the lessons…all they want to do is blame gov’t and Obama for all the problems we have. Why don’t they look at the money and power shift toward corporate America and the true elite class of fatcats?

  • Baba

    The Federal Government has spent more Money, our tax money, on illegals than the Iraq war. Do your math.

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